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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0z4DzI-ZQQ	/r/videos/comments/qfj19b/larry_david_evaluates_a_study_that_concluded/	[ "Bald man here can confirm that this is indeed a crock of shit.\n\n(Edit: I fully shave my head and this is still a crock of shit)", "People are weird. On one hand you have to be the most PC person all the time. Not even allowing the illusions of vulgar language to pierce your audience ears. On the other hand your rapin bitches on some Louie CK shit. Are all millionaires inherently liars and deviants? Or do you simply need to become that to reach their position….", "My rant about r/videos....how is this the #10 post right now after only being submitted (as of my comment) 20 minutes ago??????", "Video above it 15k comment, video below 100 comments. This one is at 3 and you cant view the upvotes. A little sus", "Labelling the phrase \"crock of shit\" NSFW is itself a crock of shit. This isn't the 1950s. You'd be hard-pressed to find any kind of work environment that's that rigidly formal.", "I mean, I'm an American. I've worked a wide variety of normal jobs over the last 15 years. In none of them would anybody have thought anything of the phrase \"crock of shit\". Nudity, yes, probably considered inappropriate in most cases. Casual swearing? Everybody just already talks like that, it's completely normalized.", "It’s a crock of shit I’m not allowed to work nude at my job.", "Or there is the middle ground of those that find success knowing how to walk the line between acceptable & way too much profanity?", "Hard-agree. Clothes are distracting at an unconscious level. Can't wait until telecommute is the universal norm.", "Yup!", "Puts on a dominate display, overrules a study and still does not realize the joke.... Irony.", "This should be the response to a lot of \"studies\"", "You would be hard pressed to keep your job if that played where people could hear it at work.", "Hey it worked for Picard.", "Balder here. I think there is a noteworthy difference between balding men who keep their shitty balding haircut and men who take control and shave it all off. \n\nLarry is the former camp, and that works better for comedy.\n\nMatt Lauer is a pervy creep and he got MeToo’d, but he mostly did the right thing with the hair - albeit too late. I advocate bic’ing it. \n\nWhy keep that gross hair graveyard?", "Where I used to work we had a consultant working with us on a couple of projects. She was from the midwest and a grandmother. Just from being around us she started dropping F-bombs after a few months.", "Bald means family", "What a crock of shit.", "The most surprising part is that Larry is actually embarrassed. I'm used to Larry the character, not Larry the person.", "There's a difference between bald and balding.\n\nFull bald is sexy.\n\nNot horseshoe, not friar tuck.", "Yeah I’m going to need to see the tops of every head that was on that research team because I have a hunch that the bias may be skewed", "I work with adults that are not offended by common use of language", "They’re referring to vin diesel and Bruce Willis, not Larry David and John Malkovic", "Balding sucks. Bald is a choice.\n\n\n^some ^restriction ^apply", "What about the wraparound beard combover?", "“Sample Size was four women who were recruited by asking our wives to participate.”", "Bald and good looking is attractive. Bald and ugly is not.", "where the hell do you work, the Mormon Tabernacle Choir? Every place I have worked saying fuck is no big deal let alone shit, and these are not blue collar jobs. About the only place you can't do that kind of thing are service jobs and right in front of customers.", "Picard was captain of a spaceship. They cancel out.", "The Reddit algorithm takes into account the rate at which something is upvoted and how new the post is. If a new post gets a handful of upvotes very quickly, it rises extremely quickly. While a slightly older post needs more upvotes to stay on the front page. They do this to keep front page updated with fresh content.", "\"Shit\" is now NSFW? I'm in deep shit then...", "Still got my hair, but I’m already subscribed to the idea that when it thins, it just gets shorter and ultimately shaved when it’s more than minor thinning.\n\nI’m just going to lean into it. I will not be clinging to scraps. \n\nMy doctor, and a coworker both leaned into it. Looks good.\n\nI’ve never seen a dude with 20% of his hair left and thought “that looks good”.", "[Makes me think of this comic, you see there's a trick to being a bald man](https://external-preview.redd.it/k7M-a6b-3P8wsBjnH7XoBs89EJDoT0U6ORLedIG4TAw.gif?format=png8&s=f869b0eabe4961bcdaa16a184a8df6126540bb47)", "I think I can understand where the study is coming from. You need to completely own the bald look to look sexy being bald. Those men that try to hang onto their thinning hair just look well bad. Even Larry looks bad with his old man bald look (too much hair on the back). While the host looks better (owning the bald look). I think men that just accept it and shave their head tend to be more confident and women like that. Now if you are ugly and you are bald it doesn't matter.", "New season of his show came out last night, paid promotion :D", "Very this. When they say “women find bald men attractive”, they are talking about the ones who look like The Rock, Jason Statham and Stanley Tucci. Your average bald man looks like Mahatma Gandhi.", "Apparently the \"freshly circumcised prick\" look is popular with some.", "Yeah, you see that type of shit on here all the time. New movie, tv show, album about to drop...this sub gets bombarded with shit for marketing purposes.", "In the \"study\" they probably showed women a picture of Dwayne Johnson and Steve Buscemi and asked who they found more attractive.", "Thankfully he apologised. I don't know how my virgin ears would've recovered otherwise.", "This exactly. No hair is always better than hair only on the sides.", "Attractive is attractive and ugly is ugly, more at 11.", "you literally named the type of situation you would get in trouble for. Blue collar jobs dont usually have customer facing computers. It is about your simple ass co-workers. Co-workers are just shitty people who can maintain a schedule. \n\n Get your sheltered ass out some more.", "Everything looks good on the good looking.", "he's also a knight. a fucking knight who captains a spaceship.", "Matt Lauer? What year is it?\n\nTwo thousand and sexual assault?", "I’m pretty sure Larry David wouldn’t categorize you as one in the brotherhood. Shaving your head isn’t the same as being bald.", "Great? I am six foot five, I therefore must insist that everyone else can reach the top shelf just like I can...", "I worked at a grocery store that kept the condoms behind the counter because the owner didn’t like them being out in the open where people could get them easily.\n\nYMMV in a country this big haha", "That's exactly what I thought of. I was like, who are these bald men these women are visualizing. The Rock? Because it's not Larry David they're thinking about.", "I'd like to talk to you Matt Lauer about things that were in the news.", "Oh, of course--there are crazy, silly people everywhere. But that's a matter of one person being a crazy person, rather than a reflection of what workplace environments are like in general. \"NSFW\" is a tag meant for things that would violate typical workplace norms. If you tagged things that might offend any person's sensibilities, then literally everything would have to be tagged NSFW.", "Really? We’re going to mark this nsfw for Larry David saying shit?", "For those of you in the Central and West Coast time zones, there will be a funny collection of symbols.\n\nFor those on the East Coast, we apologize for /u/Drewmcfalls21 egregious language.", "Are you Vin Diesel?", "u/profanitycounter u/MCd0nutz", "He wanted a hot take, he got one.", "One little word makes it not safe. One part of American culture I'll never get.", "In the study they compared Raiders owner Mark Davis' bowl cut to Morris Chestnut.", "Outside of racist who tf is shaving their heads unless they are bald?\n\nEdit: so you mean to tell me that there are people who are not balding/bald that choose to shave their full head of hair? That’s some privilege\n\nLol what am I being downvoted for? I am damn sure counting “balding” as bald. I can tell you first hand that having a receding hairline or bald spot make people call you bald.", "Hell yeah brother", "Another study found that men with beards are more attractive than men without beards. More great work from the university of Bob Seger!", "It seems like the need to be well built is higher when bald/shaved than with a full head of hair. Likely to counteract the aging aspect of balding.", "Sometimes it's not the language, but bad language coming from a computer means you are screwing around.", "Larry addressed this point \n\nhttps://youtu.be/lQCVf7AnXNY", "Matt \"Lock Em In The Room, Then You Groom\" Lauer?", "> Your average bald man looks like Mahatma Gandhi.\n\nYou're telling me women aren't turned on by a substantial nuclear arsenal and the willingness to use it?", "No, I’m bald", "People who believe bald is sexy, and the subsequent fellows who have to shave their head, are hoping to look like Jason Statham. In reality, the outcome is closer to Uncle Fester.", "Well let me tell you something, brother! Whatcha gonna do when Hulkamania destroys you?", "The study focuses on what women perceive, not what men perceive?", "> Why keep that gross hair graveyard?\n\n\n\nI miss the days when men didn't care and we could just rock a culdesac without society yelling in our ear \"stop trying to hold on, just shave it\".", "I dunno Larry, it's pretty dominant of you to swear on national tv and get away with it.", "It's NSFW because it's never safe to work anywhere near Matt Lauer.", "Do you smell what the bald is cooking?", "I aspire to look like Mahatma Gandhi", "I fall into this trap all the time. Clothes look very good on mannequins in the store. Yet when I try them on they look like shit.", "> While the host looks better (owning the bald look)\n\n\n\nWhile true, wouldn't owning it be not giving af and not having to shave it everyday or every other day. If you have to increase activity to keep a certain look, are you really owning it?", "Athletes looking to cut down wind resistance?", "Monks", "Were people stealing them?", "As someone that has been battling hair loss for a good decade, I agree with this but fundamentally if you take the same person, almost always he will look better with full hair rather than fully shaved. \n\n\nGood hair > shaved hair > balding", "I am baffled by whatever you are trying to say. If you are getting in trouble at work from your coworkers for watching someone say shit, they are probably not really mad about the language. They are just tired of idiotic ass working there and need an excuse to complain about you.\n\nYeah, the guy who has worked in countless jobs where it is fine to cuss up a storm is the sheltered one. You are nuts.", "I thought we got the balding based on the father of our mothers and not directly from our fathers", "And he’s a telepath!", "<Insert Marilyn Monroe in potato sack pictures here>", "Man, I work at an arena and during orientation by corporate a woman got reprimanded for saying fart. Plenty of uptight pearl clutchers in corporate America.", "his ship is bald", "A knighted spaceship captain telepath who's seen it all.", "Kinda like how moustaches work, whoever look good rocking a moustache would have looked much better without one.", "I'd imagine that's to prevent theft. I've seen similar things, but it varied by store. In some stores they keep them behind lock and key, same with some other items, shaving stuff is also a popular one. You then either just take a tag and someone gets the item from behind a counter or you have to get an associate to unlock the items in the aisle. \n\nThe latter is a special kind of hell.\n\nedit: Not related but it just reminded me of when I went to pick up a laptop purchased online from target. I saw it sitting on a shelf with other items, then there was this weird podium like 10 feet off to the side. No taped lines on the floor saying don't enter, no signs. I just figured I was supposed to get it. OH NO NO NO. Someone stopped me, gave me hell for it, made me put it back, then I had to wait for just a tad over 23 minutes for someone to come to the front who was supposed to be at said podium, to get the item. The person who made me put it back couldn't look at my id and allow it to be picked up", "Context is pretty damn important. I am not talking about getting up in front of new hires for orientation.", "Lots of people.", "That's fact that shit is considered NSFW language still baffles me. In Denmark swearing on tv or radio is considered normal and to some degree encouraged.\n\n[Reminds me of this clip from a football interview.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_QtbFR9me4)", "Well, for me it is more spreading the gospel of personal empowerment but I get what you’re saying. Ultimately to each their own!", "Buscemi as Khrushchev in The Death of Stalin.", "Just to add to that, you should 100% consult with a doctor before doing any of that. Finesterine is well known for having some serious side effects.", "Watch your language, Chopin.", "People who have terrible hair/hairlines and look better bald.", "I think a lot of it comes down to the head shape. Nice round heads are going to look pretty sharp. Heads like mine that are an upright fucking rectangle, are going to look like a white supremacist. May my full head of hair last forever...", "Cleanly shaven bald men reduce chafing", "No, he just believed in abstinence.", "you always have the option to just shave if you decide fighting it is too much, you don't have the option to go back in time and fight it when it first starts thinning.", "Oh okay, that makes more sense", "I’m fully bald.\n\nI’d say that you don’t get less attention or fewer women showing interest, but that women who also like bald guys tend to be generally easy-going/accepting.", "What a crock of shit", "What was the metric for a bald man in the study? Like from Mr. McGoo to Terry Crews?", "That's an urban legend.", "I think that's outdated and the current understanding is it's more complex than that.", "When you're here, you're bald.", "Because very rarely see things in this sub get upvotes. We are lucky if two videos a day reach 1k upvotes.", "Bad hairline is just a stage of bald which is why I shave my head", "it's actually the \"crock\" that has it labeled NSFW", "Unlimited baldsticks", "Oh yeah absolutely. I think I actually look pretty good as a bald man, but I still have pathetic dreams where my hair comes back and I can style it.", "He's also a turd.", "People who simply prefer it that way? What a ridiculous question.", "People with severely receding hairlines who aren't bald yet?", "Maybe try looking less like you do?", "Long hair + attractive ✅\n\nShort hair + attractive ✅\n\nNo hair + attractive ✅\n\nAny hair style + ugly ❌ \n\nThis applies to men and women", "Huh?", "They say counterparts, indicating they've likely (tried to) control for other variables", "It's for having to look at rapist Matt Lauer's evil face", "Why are you posting a link with a sex offender!", "He was great in that.", "That worker speed perk does wonders", "James Bald?", "For saying \"shit\" that's a crock of shit", "How good does Brad Pitt look wearing crocks?\n\nEdit: How about [this picture of young George Clooney.](https://media.gq.com/photos/5583e3de09f0bee5644292d7/master/w_320%2Cc_limit/copilot-style-grooming-201310-george-clooney-hair-03.jpg) Did he pull off that outfit and that hair?", "Better stop eating for a while then. ^^^^/s", "The front page is absolutely not updated with fresh content. Ill come back in the evening and its still the same stuff from that morning.", "If you accidentally drop something in a work environment and matt lauer is there and sees it happen, you just keep walking. Don't stop to pick it up. Everyone knows that.", "Tried that, only made it worse.", "This is the first time I've heard it called the cul de sac. I've also heard power donut.", "Gorgeous as ever.\nAnd to your edit: Yes, Clooney looks amazing.", "Still better than most of us.", "For whatever reason theres always those men that just rock the cul de sac of hair. Hard to think of them all but doug stamper from house of cards is one.", "Larry David will pay the FCC fine for his cuss with some of the change between the seats of his BMW I3.", "It’s true for Dwayne Johnson, and not for Larry David.", "I was curious and looked into it. Surprised how many hot people already dressed in potato sacks including Marilyn Monroe", "It is a reference to the Civilization game series. In the older games Gandhi had the highest possible peace score. When the UN is founded everyone's peace score increased, which made Gandhi's overflow to become the lowest possible due to a programming error, causing him to become a nuclear bomb using maniac.\n\nIn the later games this is somewhat preserved as a joke/reference to the older games.", "It's a video game reference from Civilization. Gandhi likes to nuke countries in Civ.", "Aaand you just solved fashion.", "GaylordRetardson said it well, you still need to look clean and upkept.", "Bingo. \nThis study probably compared photos of The Rock and Vin Diesel to a handful of unbathed Redditors.", "I don't know about that. Can you imagine how off someone like Saddam Hussein would have looked without a moustache?", "A joke based on a big in the game Civilization where Ghandi becomes this genocidal maniac due to an integer overflow bug.", ">Nuclear Gandhi is an Internet meme and an urban legend about the video game Civilization. According to the legend, there was a bug in Civilization that eventually forced the pacifist leader Mahatma Gandhi to be extremely aggressive and to use nuclear weapons heavily.\n\n>The bug was first mentioned in 2012, two years after the release of Civilization V, and eventually became one of the most recognizable video game glitches; it has been used as an example of integer overflow in computer science and was included in other Civilization games as an easter egg.\n\n>In 2020, Sid Meier contradicted the urban legend, stating there had never been a bug of this sort in the original 1991 game. Nuclear Gandhi was first implemented in Civilization V (2010) as a joke.\n\n\n[Reference](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Gandhi)", "What a prick. How could Larry sit up there with him?", "Probably adorable.", "That is not true at all. Moustaches distract from long faces. Sam Elliott looks much better with a mustach than without.", "Mannequins have barely any features though... Sometimes you just don't find something to be as flattering on you as you thought... otherwise we wouldn't have to try shit on first lol", "At the Walmart near my parents house, practically everything is locked up... Including underwear. Good luck finding an associate to open that case up for you, and then have to sit there watching you while you're perusing through the underwear choices. I don't know how they stay in business there.", "lol what an inaccurate use of the word privilege", "As a bald man, I fully admit I'm not a particularly pretty man, but I'm confident in what I am and have very impressive attributes and that makes me handsome af", "Just the crocs?", "I don't mind a well groomed cul de sac, but I've only seen an unkempt one work on Larry David and Danny Devito.", "I would throw 300 a month of my disposable income to maintain my hair lol", "It’s an FCC violation, the media doesn’t want to get fined / sued. Everything in the media is measured in liability or dollars.", "Not safe for work? In what workplaces would that be unacceptable?", "He's great in Adam Sandler movies.", "There's a reason that we'd all bet money on Mark Strong vs Brad Pitt in a fight.\n\nBald = dominant.", "Also a Nazi leader though so that cancels it out again.", "I think the reason is that’s where the hair still grows normally/thick. It takes some getting used to shaving it clean. IMO it is worth it though.\n\nShaving the top of the head is the easy part so I save that for last.", "I feel myself starting to become that \"conspiracy theory\" weirdo when it comes to Finasteride. Took it for ~10 years and never felt a side effect ... until I stopped taking it recently (tapered it off for about 6 months).\n\nNow, in hindsight, I realize that I had episodes of low-level depression that came and went in waves which I chalked up to other things (and very well still could be other things ... it's just that it went away and never came back). \n\n\nThat, and morning wood. I didn't realize that a daily raging boner was normal (it almost never happened before ... again; could be something else but cutting out the pill was the only recent thing I did).", "Bald guy here - you don't need to shave every other day. You pretty much start at Vin Deasel level bald and after 2 weeks you end up Jason Statham level bald w stubble, then you shave it.", "As a bald man I agree with Larry. But as a single mother his language hurt my ears.", "Recently moved to the US with my fam. My six year old is on a quest to change that. Unfortunately.", "American ones? Americans freak out over words or a nipple that was visible for 0.2 seconds yet a beheading is completely acceptable. Did you see the host's reaction? Countless housewives across America were typing emails before the show even ended.", "And they made it so the rock had hair and buscemi didn’t right?", "God it's so cringey how upset the host gets about the word \"shit.\" I know he has to because network TV has weird rules. It's just so childish.\n\nEdit: I just learned that this host is Matt Lauer and is accused of sexual assault... So they can continue paying and showing a known sexual offender but you can't say bad words?", "What’s the difference between balding and bald, Larry has hair on his head so is he bald or balding?", "He looks like E.T. in the wig.", "But a Reddit title isn’t.", "Can someone link the study? If this were /r/science we would have torn it a new one by now.", "Don't forget Jason Statham if you want to complete the holy trinity of men used as a reference to back up the argument that all bald men are hot. Vin Diesel could also be swapped out for Terry Crews or late 90s Bruce Willis", "Funny story! They wanted to make Brad Pitt look frumpy for Burn After Reading, but every time they put him in an ill-fitting suit (too big too small too whatever) he just looked goddam cool and beautiful anyway. So they had to specially tailor a custom suit just to make Brad Pitt look as bad as possible. (Spoiler: It still didn’t work great.)", "I work in a pretty typical corporate office environment and if I played this video on my phone nobody would give a fuck. You must work in a weirdly conservative place, my guy.", "See: Stanley Tucci. I'm a man and I want to have his babies", "Yeah, my hair started falling out rapidly in my 20s so I just let it grow long to desperately cover up what I can. Dudes are like, \"bro just shave it off grow out a beard.\" Except I can't grow a beard, my head is shaped weird, and everyone is used to me with hair. I'm glad I accepted back in high school that I'm probably gonna die alone cause ain't no woman alive gonna deal with that. This is why dudes kill themselves en masse, a bit of bad genetics and you just have to hope you massively luck out with other attributes or else you're fucked (or lack thereof).", "Lazy people. Years ago my ex bought me buzzers so I could do my own hair, and I just started shaving it all off cuz it was easier. Idk why she thought that was gonna be a good idea...", "My boyfriend has the Statham aesthetic and chicks flirt with him openly. Some silver Fox guys too. Now that he’s rocking a distinguished beard, they don’t even wait till I’m out of sight to do it.", "I'm using \"fresh\" as a relative term. Yes things will stay on the front page for a day or so, but if something is on the front page it naturally gets more exposure. If they didn't have an algorithm that took the age of a post into account it would would take a lot longer for the front page to change.", "Unpopular opinion: Some men look better balding than bald", "Burt renolds looked better too.", "I wish I had a bald pattern like horseshoe. My shit fell out in patches so I look like angelicas doll cynthia if I grow it out. I have to do a full shave so I dont look like a meth head. Luckily I have a good shaped head so I dont look stupid shaved too.", "> NSFW >!What a crock of shit!<", "He's seen everything.", "sounds similar to the piggly-wiggly where I grew up in rural georgia", "he killed it in 30 Rock\n\n\"Hello fellow kids\"", "My family is full of bald men who are jacked for exactly this reason. Add a beard to that recipe as well", "Bald vs. Shaved Head. Larry went over all of this on a past season of Curb Your Enthusiasm.", "You mean, have i tried not looking ugly?", "I don't find bald women to be attractive in the slightest but to each their own.", "Unbathed, but fully follicled.", "Is the owner Glenn Sturgis?", "Yeah i’m bald, down there, i’m sure she doesn’t mind", "I remember in high school in the mid 2000s when a whole trend of shaving your head began every third guy in the school had their head shaved as a fashion statement I guess. ", "He's alright honestly.", "I have to imagine this study compared someone like Samuel l Jackson Or Jason Statham to Jake Gyllenhaal \n\nAnd not like taking Jason mamoa and a bald Jason mamoa", "I can never find a bald woman attractive", "A friend of mine really needs a stache. The space between his upper lip and nose is just too big. A bit like Paul Felder [with a stache](https://dmxg5wxfqgb4u.cloudfront.net/styles/background_image_xl/s3/2020-11/PaulFelder1114Hero.jpg?VersionId=null&h=d1cb525d&itok=vf15nwKu) and [without a stache](https://biowikis.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Paul-Felder-Bio-Wiki-Net-Worth.jpg)", "Trigger warnings just feel like the same Puritanism being worn by a different side\n\nI guess I should've put a trigger warning about trigger warnings.\n\nJust saying it's flawed logic to be against censoring things only when it suits who you're censoring it for. It's still advocating for censorship", "Hey it's Jewish anal rapist Matt Lauer.", "Finasteride killed my sex drive and gave me Peyronie’s disease. \n\nMy dick is still somewhat broken and bent. But at least the stupid thing will get hard again. \n\nBe very careful if you’re considering finasteride. In my case, I wish I’d never taken it.", "huh. wonder why people use make up. ill find out one of these days", "For whatever reason that just reminded me of the time I got called up by our customer service desk to get some Summers Eve douche down from a high shelf for a 70 year old lady who couldn't reach it.", "I have no idea why they censor language on TV... it seems like such an archaic backwards things.", "Plenty of women date dudes that are balding quit throwing yourself a pity party. If you can’t find a girlfriend it’s probably because of your personality not your hair", "And he's seen everything.", "Step 1: Be attractive.\n\nStep 2: Don't be unattractive.", "\"im not bald i shave my head, do you underastandu?\"", "Bleach it, combine it with orange fake tan, and you just might make it to being president!", "Same. Not in a romantic sense, anyway. \n\nI’ve known plenty of awesome women who were bald, but none of them were “my type”. They had great personalities and were funny and interesting to talk to, though.", "Important features they don’t have - love handles.", "Same goes for a beard. I typically fluctuate around 40 pounds a year depending. When I get to the high side my face gets a bit fat looking and the beard totally masks it. Makes me feel better:)\n\nBeen rocking a shaved head since I was 16 though and I guess I look like military.", "Your perspective is fucked. Seek help.", "This is the advice I’ve been needing. Thank you!", "By exploiting workers and bribing politicians.", "They stay in business the way all mega-corporations do - by exploiting workers and bribing politicians.", "Bald. He has male pattern baldness. The degree to which his hair has receded is about as far as it goes for bald men.", "A very popular myth but not what really happens in the game according to the developer.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ur3SdgkW8W4?t=399", "The anecdotal accounts were part of why I stopped and also why I chose to taper at a ridiculously slow rate (6 months seems like overkill, but during that time I was super careful about dosages and trending it down smoothly with exercise).\n\nHopefully you're being followed up by a doctor - something new that I've personally been experimenting with that seems to help a lot is creatine (for dopaminergic effects but it might also to get those testosterone levels bumped up a bit).\n\nLook into [COQ10](https://examine.com/supplements/coenzyme-q10/) supplements (and here's the [examine](https://examine.com/topics/erections/) on everything erection-related). It's an amazing resource.\n\nHope things get better for ya!", ">The Rock, Jason Statham and Stanley Tucci\n\nOne of these is not like the others.", "Were these women shown pictures of Dwayne Johnson, Vin Diesel, Samuel L. Jackson, Lonnie Rashid Lynn, Mark Strong, Tyrese Gibson and Jason Statham before being asked this question?\n\nBecause the real results of the study are that women prefer hot men. Hair or not isn't relevant, because I guarantee nobody in that study thinks Jason Alexander is more attractive than Ryan Reynolds. No offense meant to Jason Alexander.", "Room ‘N Groom™", "My hair was too thin to prevent sunburn and too thick to allow sunscreen. Shaving is just a practical solution.", "Knowing what Matt Lauer was doing changes that study a bit lmao", "Have you tried not being unattractive?", "Space Knight", "One of my favorite movies!", "Your new boss, Matt Lauer, would like a word with you in his office.", "I just made this plunge myself, and I honestly wish I shaved earlier. It's a much better look than I had going before", "Weird balding look? ie their natural hair.", "Dwayne Johnson, Vin Diesel, Samuel L. Jackson, Lonnie Rashid Lynn, Mark Strong, Tyrese Gibson and Jason Statham\n\nvs.\n\nSteve Buscemi, Willem Dafoe, Gary Busey, Kevin James, Mike Myers, Jonah Hill and Woody Allen.", "When exactly were those days? People have been making fun of combovers and bad toupees for at least a century...", "Or Patrick Stewart at any age.", "Was he embarrassed? I feel like he was at least taken aback at the bit.", "He's great in everything. He's one of those actors that even when they're in a bad movie you still like their performance. John Leguizamo is another one.", "Lots of bald guys here giving spit takes on a study about women's perceptions. As a bald guy, I recognize that how women perceive me doesn't necessarily correlate with how I perceive women perceive me.", "Lauer's face is also significantly more symmetrical than Larry David's, he'd be better looking even if Larry had a mop on his head. Confidence is definitely a factor but good looking people are good looking, hairstyles be damned.", "It's so embarrassing, considering all the fucked up shit that goes on in this country, much of which it perpetuates, that it's deemed our delicate minds are not able to hear swear words on national networks. It's completely absurd and childish.", "Uffff I find amber rose particularly hot af with her bald head. Also Demi Moore looks fine af too with bald head.", "Lies. Everyone knows Riker was getting all the action.", "But then again, won't a full beard look better? I guess I can see it being the case if you cant grow a beard either", "Yeah pretty sure men aren't spending $20K on hair transplants so they can look less attractive to women.", "Larry David isn't bald, he's balding. Dwayne Johnson is bald. There's a difference.", ">Gross Hair Graveyard\n\nMan, I loved their first album. Too bad they sold out and their music went all to shit. I can't wait to see the VH1 Behind the Music though.", "Goddamn live tv is such an archaic form of media.", "I'm not going to the ridiculous extent that this guy is going through, but you find out about the looks first, personality second.", "\"bald\"", "Not long until the new season starts !", "Lmao bald is not a race", "As a woman with alopecia…ouch.", "All this crock of shit talk is reminding me of Doctor Sanchez from Darkplace.", "lol", "There was a comic years ago (can't remember who) with a similar bit. He was a white dude with a shaved head and complained that black guys with shaved heads looked cool, but he only ever got asked if he was Moby or had cancer.", "Well this aged well.", "My friend with alopecia totalis would probably disagree there.", "Yes combovers and bad toupees are signs of insecurity, I’m talking about just letting it grow and not caring.", "Yep. Not everyone has the right head/look for it. But it can def work.\nSource: used to crush on that bad-ass punk girl I was too shy to talk too.", "American culture is so bizarre. Enslave entire race of people in brutal conditions, check, let kids starve if they cant afford lunch money, check, let people choose between bankruptcy and death, check, spend literally trillions murdering middle easterners for no reason, check. Say a particular word on daytime tv, WOW THERE BUDDY!", "I think if you are bald you have to options:\n\n* adopt hard guy look\n* just look older\n\nIf you have hair you can create different looks but looking good bald has a very narrow set of looks", "In case of Paul Felder, [decide for yourself](https://dmxg5wxfqgb4u.cloudfront.net/styles/background_image_xl/s3/2020-11/UFCFightNightFelderVsRDAHero.jpg?VersionId=null&h=d1cb525d&itok=zjehDjK7) (coincidently a pic with another epic stache guy). \n\nImo I like the variation. But it does take guts to grow a solo stache", "Some girls are just too Effin sexy", "Can confirm. Was a bean pole cross country runner my entire life. Hit 30 with all my hair gone and decided to get into weightlifting. I get waaaay more compliments than I got my entire skinny hair filled 20s.", "A pretty big number of people do at least. There's worse things you can be", "Great, now I have a craving for baldfredo sauce.", "Basically be above average, height, be fit and not fat, have decent skin that doesn't make you look like you're in your 60s or older, have a good personality, have money. Being bald won't matter if you check most of these boxes.", "To each their own lol I shaved and looked like a gargoyle with cancer. Fuck going bald I love having hair. Shit works man idk.", "it's like jazz - sometimes it's the notes you don't play", "Never feel bad about that. Society is largely wrong on this issue I've found.\n\nI also love having my hair. It really helps with the ladies. Like.. ALOT.", "I agree, it's absurd--though in this case, at this point in time, it's less a reflection of American culture in general and more a reflection of the fact that the FCC exists and its laws have remained largely unchanged since the 1970s. The host reacts the way he does not because he's actually offended, nor because the audience is likely to be offended, but because the network might actually be fined.", "Put a shit on a gold its still gold. Sprinkle gold all over shit it's still shit.", "Hair frames your face. It always makes you look better. This is why we fight.", "Lol thanks.", "He definitely turned red after realizing he swore on live TV.", "Exactly. Plus shaving it looks like shit quite often lol. Not sure why everyone thinks otherwise.", "The best Luigi.", "Don't be silly, I meant to be more mannequin-like.", "Now that's definitely a crock of shit. Puritanism involves an overt condemnation of the subject matter in question. Content warnings, by comparison, invoke no judgment; they only exist in the recognition that some people might appreciate a heads-up so as to look the other way if they'd prefer not to contend with what might be a difficult topic.\n\nFor that matter, people getting all uppity about content warnings are acting like content warnings haven't been a thing for decades. That's exactly why the MPAA and the ESRB exist, for fuck's sake.\n\nPuritanism: \"Breasts are inherently offensive and should always be concealed. Breasts in any context other than the most strictly sexual contexts are improper.\"\n\nContent warning: \"We're going to talk about the reality of rape. Rape is an important thing to talk about because it's a huge social problem--it should be talked about. But some people might prefer the opportunity to walk away if they're not prepared to deal with the subject at the moment.\"", "You're allowed to say \"shit\" in PG-13 movies (like shang chi) several times. It's almost always been that way. I think you're even allowed one \"fuck\" if it's not used in the context of sex.", "> Lol what am I being downvoted for?\n\nGuess people really don't like aliens just landed on Earth quickly trying to source information on the species.", "I think if you are bald you have more than one option. Let yourself be bald or go for hair replacement surgery.", "Starship Enterprise was no god damn spaceship!", "It's a fashion that cycles, just like everything else. Plenty of generations and cultures find it just as attractive and acceptable to keep the ring than to shave the entire head.", "The bloom was off the rose for Willis in the mid 90's. But both good additions.", "He still kinda looks 40?", "I'm surprised Matt lauer never had hair replacement surgery.\n\nThe fact is, the better looking the woman, the least likely she is going to be attracted to a bald man.", "Not this bald head!", "Can we remove Matt Lauer from this clip please?", "Yes,warning folks with trauma about a topic is exactly the same as burning witches.", "Like true redditors, they only read the title (and even that, badly)", "Agreed. When I see a fully shaved-head guy, my immediate thought is that it's a bald guy feeling insecure and self-conscious. Not in an insulting or bad way, just that they're clearly bothered enough by how they look with thinning hair that they're willing to extend lots of effort keeping it fully shaved.\n\nPart of the reason why they shave their head is for the ambiguity. You don't know for \"sure\" if they're really bald, or shaving their head for tough-guy aesthetics. However, when you see someone with a ring you know they're bald.", "A more likely scenario is that they showed the women a photo of Dwayne Johnson and then a photo of Dwayne Johnson with poorly photoshopped hair.", "Preach, brother!", ">I miss the days when men didn't care and we could just rock a culdesac without society yelling in our ear \"stop trying to hold on, just shave it\".\n\nLook around you and see how many men are walking around with male pattern baldness - most people don't care. This discussion is just a magnet for angry incels who need people to know their thoughts on why men are under attack.", "he didn't finish, study said \" IF you're not complaining all the time \"", "Multiple \"shits\" and one \"fuck\" have been the norm for PG-13 movies since the 1980s.\n\nAs far as television goes, shit and fuck have always been permissible on cable channels (Comedy Central is one of those), because they aren't regulated by the FCC. It's why you've always been able to watch literal porn on pay-per-view. By comparison, anything broadcasted over the air is subject to FCC guidelines, which means, rather pathetically, that you still can't say \"shit\" over the air.", "Good 9/11 firefighter as well", "I feel like the bald newscaster secretly agreed with the study and wanted Larry to agree also.", "Pretty cool auto shop owner", "It's not a look, no more than his face.", "I think it's just the horse shoe haircut isn't a good look. Like young guys don't ask for a horse shoe fade.", "His presence in this clip kinda ruined it for me ngl.", "You guessed it!....", "Lost me at step 1", "…hey I’m bathed…depending on your timeframe for bathed", "Dear ChadMcRad, please accept some perspective. You said men kill themselves because a little of bad genetic luck and they won't find girlfriends. Not having a girlfriend, when you want one, is indeed bad. Nothing I say will make it good. But it doesn't mean your life is over. Your life can be happy with the lack of many good things, the lack of many things you desire. It's always gonna be tough, though, living with that lack.\n\nSo, many people will tell you: you can be happy, if you forfeit desire, change plans of life. Or tell you: you can get what you want with the right attitude. I tried both, regarding things that I desire and shall probably never have, too. And didn't work for me. However, I can be, and I am, happy despite this lack, despite feeling very sad from time to time.\n\nI wouldn't abandon hope on getting a SO completely, just because you're not handsome (I'm taking your word on it). But the biggest problem I see here is your belief that there is only one way to feel your life is worthy, which is being desired by someone you love romantically. This is not what makes you worthy of living. I believe you are worthy, regardless of knowing it. If you want to feel it, I suggest start looking for other things that wil make you feel this way. I'm here if you want to talk. Take care, I'll be thinking about you.", ">not friar tuck.\n\nWoh, woh. When did tonsuring fall out of fashion? I must have missed that proclamation...", "back in the 1990s the only bald white men were skinheads, people with cancer, and moby. so yeah, as a white man going bald in the 90s, you were doomed to look like jason alexander. \n\n\nthen in the 00s, jason statham, vin diesel, and finally, joe rogan, made being a bald white guy look like a Masculine thing after all. (surprise). so, bald men started shaving their heads.", "no it didn't. people are shocked that Wil Wheaton today is younger than Season 1 Picard. \n\n\npeople thought a 40 year old Patrick Steward was in his 60s for thirty fucking years.", "As a black Caucasian male, I agree completely", "Gandhi fathered 4 children by the time he was 16, so there's that.", "if i was in a work meeting and i called the quarterly report a crock of shit, i'd be reprimanded afterwards. \n\n\nthere's a difference between \"not safe for the garage\" (porn is still a no-go even at jiffy lube) and \"not safe for the office\"", "Really they’re referring to Taye Diggs", "If only it was isolated to below the eyebrows, then you'd be set!", "Wow, thank you, I was totally on his side until this comment.", "Spy Kids 2", "Handsome Rob is handsome.", "You can really tell that they don’t have any way to cure baldness by the fact that Jeff Bezos is still bald.", "Lol dude just because there are women YOU want that don't find YOU attractive, that doesn't mean there are 0 women out there. Broaden your standards.", "I’d be so embarrassed. Not the cancer part, but the being compared to Moby part.", "> Why keep that gross hair graveyard?\n\nMeh because I’m not insecure about how my hair looks, and don’t really care if someone else is. I like playing with my hair and doing messy balding styles with it. I don’t give two shits about other people’s sensitivity around their own balding.", "They probably don't care if it looks good or not", "No, just attractive without hair. Either way they look so good", "I know most people hated the short running game show \"The Marriage Ref,\" but the episode with Ricky Gervais, Madonna, and Larry David was hilarious.", "LD is a national treasure.", "You think a fully bald Larry David would look better than what he's got going on? \n\nNot everyone can pull it off but it's definitely better for some people than a full shave.", "Men who are hot already, you mean. Like Tom Segura or Dwayne The Rock Johnsen. It also helps if they have incredibly shaped or attractive eyebrows. Height helps too, because the taller they are than you, the less of their shiny head you see. \n\n\nidk why these bald insecure scientists (or \"just trying to help\" scientists) do these heavily skewed studies. Like. We don't need studies to see what people find attractive. The answer to that is everyone semi-normal and everything. Spend time on other things that matter. Like. What's more fun to grab - a big lady tiddie or a muscle man tiddie? What's the ideal weight someone has to be before stepping on you? ETC.", "anything looks good if you're fit and have a heathly body fat percentage. The simple angles in your face can literally counteract a dirty shirt. Being attractive is about how much you take care of your body, not the 1000$ suit you have on.", "I can't imagine that that actually made it better", "Can someone please think of the children. Because I'm not!", "Features? Fat?", "Matt Lauer: omg you guys I am so sorry we said a potty word on the TV, we did something sooo horrible I've never done anything so bad, I am so embarrassed", "Especially when he's clutching his pearls about someone saying \"shit\" on TV", "I wish I had the energy and eloquence to support what u/chop1n said, but I just want to add that you’re bad and should feed bad.", "I’ve never heard a woman say Vin Diesel is hot.", "Also worth seeing his [speech](https://youtu.be/YVGdSqvOtSM) when he won the Emmy for “The Contest”.", "And a nazi!\n\nwait...", "Um you WILL go back and edit Stanley Tucci into your post right this second.", "Fire it before it quits", "A rediculiculous conman as well.", "Yes! It does look better. I’ve yet to see someone where I’ve thought it looked better with scraps.", "> it's less a reflection of American culture in general and more a reflection of the fact that the FCC exists and its laws have remained largely unchanged since the 1970s. The host reacts the way he does not because he's actually offended, nor because the audience is likely to be offended, but because the network might actually be fined.\n\nI'd argue that the fact the FCC (still) exists and is still able to do that is itself a reflection of Americans. You're just adding a layer, which doesn't mean much in a democracy.", "What!? One of us is on crack because the post was a youtube video, not the study!", "lockem n cockem?", "A.P.E.", "I was just quoting the linked video ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯", "Me watching the video hoping it was real 😔", "Yeah I never found Statham that attractive", "Natalie Portman. With her perfectly symmetrical face.", "My response would have been - \"What bald asshole wrote that?\"", "My favourite part of that comic is the plunging neckline on green guy's shirt.", "omg he said shit , better get a nsfw tag on it", "And a warrior poet who plays the baliset.", "I mean this is a morning show. The average audience is a mom and her toddler who just learned to talk. The audience doesn’t want cursing.", "Larry's got \"I'll say whatever the fuck I want on live television\" money", "Yeah I’d say most people are pretty okay looking. They’re just a better haircut, workout program, diet, and wardrobe upgrade away from being “hot” as well. Confidence also plays a big role.\n\nI’ve met some people I would call ugly but they seem to be a minority in the game of the genetic lottery. Hell, one of the ugliest (I know it’s messed up but it’s just true, she makes Steve Buscemi in a wig look like a 10) people I’ve ever met is married so there’s hope for anyone out there.", "I cream myself at photos of Buscemi-San", "He'd need to change up his style significantly to pull off a full shave. If he was just clean as a cueball but kept the same style he'd probably look weirdly smooth.", "I am endlessly amazed at the biceps and triceps of those fine looking mannequins (in the athletic wear areas).\n\nMy guess is they have \"abs\" under those shirts too.", "Yeah, that's because context matters. The word \"shit\" isn't what's offensive there, the callous dismissal of the report is what's offensive.\n\nIf you were at the water cooler in that same office and chatting with a coworker about how your friend pranked you by feeding you a crock of shit, nobody would bat an eye. You'd have to be completely socially retarded not to understand the difference.", "So hot in the swan movie", "Excuse me, it’s called “the reverse Mohawk.”", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6yZBJ1n0M\n\nRelevant and written by Larry David", "You take that back\n\nEDIT: Didn’t know about his… past. Disregard please lol", "Wait is that show really not on like a 30 second delay? What happens if someone in the crowd behind them just starts shooting people? I thought everything \"live\" is on a delay.", "Yea I would edit Joe Rogan outta your comment since the only reason he looks “masculine” since he went bald, is because shortly before that he started taking trips to Germany to receive stem cells and HGH that only people like Lebron James and Bill Gates know about\n\nDude is a walking HGH ad ffs lol ..\n\nEdit: btw, no shit you don’t have to go to Germany to get HgH 🙄, to the replies I’m getting, Joe went there back when this stuff wasn’t “popular” , and was getting state of the art things done, that your average citizen doesn’t have the privilege (💰) too…", "It's not pearl clutching when you don't want to get fined by the FCC", "And, Director Bullock. Some would say his finest role.", "> unbathed Redditors.\n\nredundant", "What state and time period was this?", "There are so many body types that just saying \"put fat on the mannequin\" won't immediately make them look like you or I.", "Damn, laziness or denial? That's pretty harsh. I'd say we have plenty of evidence that Larry David isn't lazy and he's definitely not in denial about being bald, lol. \n\nMaybe some bald men who leave the ring look how they want to look and they're not styling themselves based on your tastes. \n\nI'm not bald or balding so I think I'm reasonably unbiased here and I personally think the the ring of hair around the sides looks better on some guys than being fully shaved. It's all a matter of personal taste and the current style culture. A hundred years from now the ring could be fashionable again and people could be calling totally bald guys lazy for just shaving it all off. It's all just cultural preference or personal preference.", "It would have been out of character for him not to swear.", "Same trick applies to being a funny guy:\n\n“It came to me that you know how they always say women like guys with a sense of humor? It turns out they laugh at handsome guys.”\n\n-Norm Macdonald", "If this is network cable TV then they’re only beholden to their advertisers and shareholders.\n\nThe FCC regulates public broadcast.", "Most surprising to me is you apparently can't say something as innocent as 'croc of shit' on television in the US?", "literally all that needs to be said lol", "Wat lol?\n\nThat’s like saying why isn’t John Stamos going to the barber and asking to have his head shaved completely bald????\n\nNot to mention, people like Larry look objectively a BILLION times better with the hair they still have, than if he completely shaved it off….\n\nYou really think Larry would look better if he shaved his entire head????\n\nLike they’re saying above, he’d look like a cancer patient immediately", "Wait the east coast doesn’t censor swear words?", "Oklahoma and early-mid 2010s", "Fair point", "huh? I assume you're talking about the video...", "Just their opinion, no need to take it personally", "The inflexibility of the FCC rules is a big crock of shit as well. It's just crocks of shit all the way down.", "This reminds me of some bullshit post on Reddit yesterday saying habitual cannabis use does not affect depression or sleep patterns. Such bullshit, such bold faced bullshit!", "Are you implying that Clooney with that luxurious flow isn't hot?", "You don't have to care what OP thinks, bald can be beautiful.", "Yeah, that's not going to get in the way of his ability to do whatever he wants to me.", "I think men are far less picky...", "Yea good thing OP labeled this NSFW then, don’t want the FCC taking the post down.", "I've never met someone IRL that cared as much about people's hair than people on the internet lol", "The people offended by that language are the exact people watching this kinda show in the AM", "The Today Show airs on NBC, a public broadcaster.", "Bald guy says women want to fuck bald guys", "And treacherous praetorian guard who got what was coming to him! Although they put hair on him for that one", "Didnt Lauer get fired for being a BALD sexual predator? And is trying to make a comeback?\n\nIronic", "Lmao you truly think Larry David would look BETTER if he shaved his head completely bald????\n\nI get what everyone is saying, but some people DO look MUCH better the way Larry rocks it…\n\nLike I said above, if Larry shaved his head, Reddit front page tomororw would be reporting that Larry has terminal cancer and days to live…..\n\nLike, am I the only sane one ITT?", "I think the counterargument to that is the fact that they're featuring Larry David on the show.", "I remember when potato sacks were all the rage. Super models only dating guys wearing potato sacks. Not me. I don't need Nordstroms dictating what is and isn't hip. You can create your own style just by raiding your grandma's shower supplies.", "Oh boy let me tell you something about the Rock.", "What if the FCC takes pearls as payment?", "Ever see Norm Macdonald on an AM show? It's fucking great! They get so uncomfortable.", "Don't forget he's also a weapons master for a royal house and likes to carry a war pug into battle.", "the real problem is the pants. with the right pants, that outfit would kill innocents", "... [emoji](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkJYy9byRmg), though I can see why people are downvoting you.", "The Today Show is live on the East coast - taped for other time zones", "In my opinion, Joe Rogan looked much better with hair.\n\nhttps://fastlifehacks.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/younger-vs-older-joe-rogan.jpg", "Ah that makes sense. Surprised they don’t run a delay at all. Most live shows have plenty of time to beep a swear word.", "terrestrial networks are public broadcasts, including this channel. Cable or Satellite networks are also FCC regulated but not to the same degree and generally can't be regulated on content.", "Male pattern baldness, from what I understand, is usually cause by high testosterone.", "Is it? I have no idea because the last time I watched TV with an antenna was in 1992.\n\nDoes free broadcast TV over the air even exist anymore?", "Yeah that fucker basically put himself back into permanent puberty in his 30s. I swear his skull is twice the size that it was when he started on News Radio.", "As a tall white, good looking, well built man that lives rough this is not true at all\n \nthe looks I have between being cleaned up vs rough are totally different", "Being tall helps a ton too.\n\nWhich I'm not. So balding, short, and single. Yaaaa.", "Try to find the ugly mannequins", "I have to say I am a woman who is more attracted to bald men.", "I'm bald, I've posted that on Reddit several times, and in my 30s. I started losing my hair around 24 and was shaving it by the time I turned 26. My head is NOT the idea shape for a bald man (from the top.) However, I also happen to be tall, so at first glance most people miss the kind of upside down V cone shape of my head and it appears decent. I embraced the fact that I was bald young, so for me, being confidently bald was MUCH more attractive (even with the imperfect scalp shape) than someone ashamed of the hair loss. When I was bummed about it, it just kind of oozed from my personality and others noticed my poor mood, even if they didn't notice the baldness.", "Lol where have you been, ever heard of the FCC?", "More great work from the University of Larry David", "Larry and those women have something in common. They don’t know what actually bald means…", "He was on TV. Get on TV and films enough and you are rated more attractive. There are women who think Steve Buscemi is attractive. You think that's because he's objectively sexy?", "When I was a chubby white kid growing up in the 00s I was afraid of shaving my head, even though I kinda wanted to, because I didn't want to look like a skinhead.", "Counter point: [Colin Ferrell as the Penguin in the new Batman movie](https://www.indiewire.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/TheBatman.jpg?resize=800,420)\n \nBurn After Reading's make up department just didn't work hard enough", "Crock of Shit. Is that slow cooked dookie?", "And a fighter for house Atreides who plays the baliset!", "This is like people who are trying to make the argument that a physical trait isn’t a bad thing and point to people who are rich, famous, and otherwise attractive as evidence of it not being a detriment.", "I suggest 2 applications of clearcoat", "Every man who knows they’re eventually going to go bald should shave their head once while it’s still optional. \n\n\nThe fear of that first shave is what keeps guys holding onto it too long and lying to themselves. \n\nIf you’ve tried the bald look once before, your receding hair won’t control you and make you delay it for too many years.", "Reddit emoji police are so out of touch with the world outside this website.", "That’s just expectations because his hair is iconic. So is looking forever 66 years old.", "I've still got tomatoes in my pocket.", "That might not be male pattern baldness then, could be alopecia or something", "I see you're a fan of The Dobby as well.", "No one fucks with the tooch, but the tooch fucks with whomever the tooch desires.", "Oh no, somebody mentioned a negative way society may impact men. They must be an incel, real men can’t actually talk about that stuff.", "Similar situation:\n\nWomen: \"Confident men are attractive.\"\n\nNo, attractive men are attractive. \n\nIt just happens that attractive men are also confident.", "There was an instance in the early 2000s when a girl whipped her tits out as they panned the crowd outside. Today show is completely live I guess.", "If I had to guess it would be related to a subconscious connection between dominant, intimidating men and the hair loss frequently caused by abusing your androgen receptors with certain performance enhancing drugs.\n\nWild ass guess though. Not a doctor. Possibly a PED user.", "He always turns red when ranting. It’s like he’s going into his ult", "I'm passionate about not body shaming people more than I'm passionate about baldness specifically.\n\n\nI'm not trying to say balding is sexy. I'm not trying to say anything is sexy. My whole point is that sexiness or attractiveness is subjective. Making blanket statements about people being lazy or in denial based on how they chose to look is silly and harmful. All you can really say is you don't personally care for it, which is fine, but it doesn't mean the people you don't find attractive deserve to be publicly judged based on your personal standards.", "Karen Gillian shaved her head to play Nebula. \n\nYou're lying if you're saying you wouldn't. \n\nBecause we ALL would.", "My future. Not looking forward to all the work.", "That's why he sat down on chairs backwards, to support his mighty space balls.", "Sure sure sure sure but if I asked you if you wanted billion dollar hair plugs that mimic real hair perfectly or if you wanted to be bald, which would you choose?\n\nJeff Bezos is the richest man in the universe he could have the top half of his head chopped off with just the brain showing and people would think it’s attractive. \n\nReality Check", "40 pounds?", "I've got alopecia, the hair on my head started falling out in big round patches when I was about 11-12 years old. My folks insisted that I grew it longer and covered the patches with the hair I have left and it looked like absolute garbage. One day my brother made me just shave it all off and its been like that ever since. Took a bit of getting used to, but its much, much better like this", "You might be able to get away with it late in the evening, but this was a morning show (you can see the 8:40/8:41 timestamp in the bottom-right), and they like to keep it pretty family-friendly during the day.", "Have you considered a hat when you go outside?", "\"Whelp. There's goes another fistful of hair,\" I mumble to my wife as I run a hand across my aging, wrinkled scalp.\n\n\"Bald men are sexy!\" she cries with forced jocularity, but she won't meet my eye and we both know the truth.", "I thought it was weird how he emphasized \"dominant\"...", "Martini. shaken, not bald.", "I need to find this for science.", "I am bald and love it. Granted I’ve been working out since middle school. Not trying to brag or anything— I went through crippling depression while losing my hair at 22. At 23, I decided to beat God to the punch and boy was it the best decision I could have made. So if you think you’re starting to lose your hair, start working out, grow a beard if you can, and maybe supplement with a hat here and there. You’d be surprised how carefree it is and how much good attention you’ll get. Plus, a world’s worth of self-deprecating bald jokes you can make about yourself that will unfailingly get you a few laughs.", "So men with high testosterone are more likely to become bald. I suspect that could be related. If you controlled for T levels, I’d be shocked if women preferred bald men.", "My husband began his balding young in life. His hairline continuously receded to the point to where he just has shaved his head since then. I find him attractive that way and can only picture him that way, never with hair if he grew what hair was left. Even more so, it’s a total turn on when he lets me wax his head and neck.", "Thanks Larry we heard you the first time", "I think Patrick Star counts as bald as well.", "Really redefining the term 'unwashed masses'", "ITS ABOUT DRIVE 😤\n\nITS ABOUT POWER 🔥", "Shaved head and beard is the best we can do. It can be a good look, especially if you’re broad shouldered. But I’d rather have hair.", "Because a tan-line on your forehead is what all the cool kids are sporting these days.", "Yes, at least in the United States, broadcasts can be received with a digital antenna.", "Hot take: \"shit\" is one of the least offensive swear words, especially when it's being used to describe an object or an idea (crock of shit, piece of shit, bullshit, jack shit, etc.)", "“Who the fuck in their right mind would want everlasting life?”", "Network television has always been over-the-air. I mean, most people watch it through a cable service, but the fact that it's available to the public for free means that it has to adhere to those standards.", "You could dip your bald head in oil and rub it all over someone’s body.", "First thing that came to my mind too.", "The man is a national treasure.", "Yes, but good looking with hair is even more attractive.", "Her world view changes every time someone compliments her", "Because my head skin looks terrible. And my head is a funny shape", "\n>Plus, a world’s worth of self-deprecating bald jokes you can make about yourself that will unfailingly get you a few laughs.\n\nCitation needed", "god he's such a tool lmao", "I’m not an incel or even know wtf that means \n\nBut if you don’t think in the current day and age that men AREN’T “under attack” by MANY movements out there, then you’re simply naive af\n\nMetoo mean anything to you?? Notice how that “movement” did more harm than good? And was a HUGE detriment to female victims of ACTUAL truly atrocious rapes, and sexual assaults, only to get the foundation for “cancel culture” to begin which once again, mainly targeted men….\n\nBLM, another scam that was marketed to the public under the guise of “PROGRESS”, only to be found out to be a scam the entire time like I had been saying on here since it’s inception and been getting downvoted to hell for \n\nThat “movement” ALSO went to the detriment of black people, and not only that, it’s literal foundation is built on the fact that BLM insinuates black people are incapable of doing anything in life, which means yet another backfire of a “movement” 🙄 \n\nOnce again, these all MAINLY targeted men\n\nYou throw your reply away about these “incels” and “men under attack” like it’s a joke or something \n\nYet something tells me, you won’t be taking the things I just said above as a “joke” \n\nWhen they’re trying to cancel a MAN who said something 75 years ago, and has been dead for 50 years, yea bro, I’d say it’s safe to say there’s “an attack on men” right now …\n\nTo think otherwise is just being willfully obtuse \n\nAnybody else noticed also how since “white male privilege” has become a catchphrase, that 90% of the people I’ve seen get away with this so called “privilege” are WOMENNNNNNN\n\nI already know I’ll be downvoted to hell for this and possibly banned, cuz god forbid I said something bad about several atrociously put together scam-I mean “MOVEMENTS” \n\nBut you clearly don’t have a strong finger on the pulse of America right now, if you don’t think men are “under attack” \n\nYes we’re not being bombed or anything, but we are systematically being looked at under a microscope, meanwhile everyone else is doing the classic magician look at my left hand while I distract y’all with my right….\n\nBREONNA TAYLORS OWN MOTHER TOLD YALL BLM WAS A SCAM AND YALL STILL BELIVE IN IT AND WILL DOWNVOTE WHAT IM SAYING LOL…..\n\nWe have truly reached peaked dumbness, and sites like these do nothing but perpetuate the dumbness \n\nWe went from talking about bald guys, to this douche comparing to “some myth that men are under attack” 🙄 funny how the leftist always get that twist of the narrative in there any way they possibly can 😉 \n\nI swear to god if I was Dave Chappelle saying this on a stage I’d get a standing ovation, but since we’re on Reddit, I’ll be crucified \n\nY’all ever notice how the LGBTQ community is “ALL ABOUT UNITY”??? Yet they’re the most EXCLUSIVE group/movement out there lol??? \n\nYou wanna talk Incels bud? \n\nIdk wtf an incel is, but if they’re for men’s rights then i don’t see what the issue is? Every single group of any kind is going to have radicals in it ppl!!!!\n\nRadicalism ISNT the problem like you small minded Twitter libs seem to think\n\nYou think a radical Jadist is something we should all fear? A radical Jadist is probably the most peaceful person on the planet….\n\nBut, from your comment, if I had to summarize and take a guess, especially with your “tone” of comment \n\nThat Incels are all about equal rights and equal lefts…..? Am I somewhat close? And this is why everyone has an issue with them? \n\nSo what’s it guna be world???? \n\nY’all are the ones that seem to have the answers to everything so whatsup????\n\nAre we guna all agree we are all equal like ALL OF YOU KEEP BITCHING ABOUT ????\n\nOr are we guna go back to being normal human beings and understanding we are NOT equal, we NEVER will be equal, and it’s futile to even begin to form an idea that we could be…..\n\nSo how about everyone just shuts the fuck up, cuz none of these movements, none of this “incel” shit, none of this “YOU CANT SAY THAT!!!!” Shit, NONE of this nonsense YALL babble outta your mouths on here and other sites, is doing a GODDAMN THING to help UNITE this country \n\nYet here we are in a lighthearted thread about a Larry David joke \n\nAnd 90% of the thread is about how Matt Lauer should be shot in the face on live television, and somehow has trickled down into discussions about Incels of all fuckn things??? All because ppl like u/themanifoldcuriosity put it out there…\n\nBecause he made some hillbilly backwards ass assumption and correlation\n\nThis is why we are all going to die by our own doing, and we can’t blame anyone but ourselves honestly \n\nIt took TWO planes flying into the world trade centers on September 11th 2001, for this country to become United……\n\nThink about that before replying to me", "Is the guy beside him Mike Haggar?", "Ex-cyborg", "Oh for sure! Your brother is a true bro.\n\nI don't get the obsession with clinging to the little hair you have. It just makes you look sickly/older than you really are.\n\nShave it, and it's very ambiguous to your age/health.\n\nIn my mind, it's a slam dunk. When the time comes (and it will), I'm shaving it. I'll trim is more and more early in the thinning process. And one day I'll just be clean shaven.\n\nAlso: people with patchy beards don't grow beards. They just keep clean shaven. I'm not sure why people have this obsession with combovers.", "Become an Archon!", "Say what you want about the outfit, but that's a pretty good Ian Gillan cosplay.", "They'd have to read past the title to know that though.", "I just rewatched all seasons of my NewsRadio DVDs. I'm not a JRE person, but I've seen/heard clips via cultural osmosis over the years. It's sad how Rogan has basically become his NR character. And the fact that he probably doesn't realize this is even more sad.", "I have no source other than personal testimony. I come from a proud line of bald males so most of the jokes I use were handed down through oral history. I will share one with you that is a 100%er:\nAny time you get off a ride, or some other jarring physical experience, frantically run your hands over your head and shout “Where’s my toupee???”\nI’ve had more than one Six Flags/Disney employee worried, but I don’t let it linger long before I admit my follicular deficiency.", "This is one of the longest replies I've ever seen", "Always has, always will.", "That's such a bullshit statement - don't tell people what to feel.", "The scientific ~~nomenclature~~ lexicon is \"power donut\"", "You're right, Tucci is a good cook.", "Now I'm envisioning the pearl ripping scene from batman vs superman", "Hah, good one.", "You can’t swear on TV that early in the morning. The folks watching it are usually still working in their first glass of wine.", "God I wish I could live like Larry David does", "Picturing you as the Unabomber…", "Not very well", "Whatever happened to Matt Lauer?", "Who wouldn't pick Steve here?", "?", "Larry David is not bald, he's balding.", "I hear there's a secret underground society filled with debauchery. It's where Matt Lauer, Kevin Spacey, Bill Cosby, Donald Trump and hundreds of others like them hang out.", "Does anyone think Rock \"The Dwayne\" Johnson isn't on loads of gear?", "I wasn't feeling pity for myself, I'm just facing reality?", "Start the rogaine early. You’ll be able to keep it going for a lot longer the earlier you start it. And keeping a bald head is twice as much maintenance as having hair. Plus I do think 80% of the time people are better looking with a full head of hair.", "He pulls it so fucking well though", "Skinheads weren't necessarily nazis. It was just a working class fashion in the UK and elsewhere. \n\nIt had loads to do with Ska, Punk and Caribbean (jamaican specifically?) influenced music.", "Yeah. That doesn't sound healthy.", "I saw this MAD TV clip with Joe Rogan and Bryan Callen the other day and was shocked at how much he's changed physically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E31-GZAvb8Y", "I wish but I'm on so many government lists that I think I already crash their database when they have to look me up\n \nI personally favor the MITM keyword but there are a lot of other good ones \n \n(hello NSA) \n \nWaihopai, INFOSEC, Information Security, Information Warfare, IW, IS, Priavacy, Information Terrorism, Terrorism Defensive Information, Defense Information Warfare, Offensive Information, Offensive Information Warfare, National Information Infrastructure, InfoSec, Reno, Compsec, Computer Terrorism, Firewalls, Secure Internet Connections, ISS, Passwords, DefCon V, Hackers, Encryption, Espionage, USDOJ, NSA, CIA, S/Key, SSL, FBI, Secert Service, USSS, Defcon, Military, White House, Undercover, NCCS, Mayfly, PGP, PEM, RSA, Perl-RSA, MSNBC, bet, AOL, AOL TOS, CIS, CBOT, AIMSX, STARLAN, 3B2, BITNET, COSMOS, DATTA, E911, FCIC, HTCIA, IACIS, UT/RUS, JANET, JICC, ReMOB, LEETAC, UTU, VNET, BRLO, BZ, CANSLO, CBNRC, CIDA, JAVA, Active X, Compsec 97, LLC, DERA, Mavricks, Meta-hackers, ^?, Steve Case, Tools, Telex, Military Intelligence, Scully, Flame, Infowar, Bubba, Freeh, Archives, Sundevil, jack, Investigation, ISACA, NCSA, spook words, Verisign, Secure, ASIO, Lebed, ICE, NRO, Lexis-Nexis, NSCT, SCIF, FLiR, Lacrosse, Flashbangs, HRT, DIA, USCOI, CID, BOP, FINCEN, FLETC, NIJ, ACC, AFSPC, BMDO, NAVWAN, NRL, RL, NAVWCWPNS, NSWC, USAFA, AHPCRC, ARPA, LABLINK, USACIL, USCG, NRC, ~, CDC, DOE, FMS, HPCC, NTIS, SEL, USCODE, CISE, SIRC, CIM, ISN, DJC, SGC, UNCPCJ, CFC, DREO, CDA, DRA, SHAPE, SACLANT, BECCA, DCJFTF, HALO, HAHO, FKS, 868, GCHQ, DITSA, SORT, AMEMB, NSG, HIC, EDI, SAS, SBS, UDT, GOE, DOE, GEO, Masuda, Forte, AT, GIGN, Exon Shell, CQB, CONUS, CTU, RCMP, GRU, SASR, GSG-9, 22nd SAS, GEOS, EADA, BBE, STEP, Echelon, Dictionary, MD2, MD4, MDA, MYK, 747,777, 767, MI5, 737, MI6, 757, Kh-11, Shayet-13, SADMS, Spetznaz, Recce, 707, CIO, NOCS, Halcon, Duress, RAID, Psyops, grom, D-11, SERT, VIP, ARC, S.E.T. 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Meade, press-release, Indigo, wire transfer, e-cash, Bubba the Love Sponge, Digicash, zip, SWAT, Ortega, PPP, crypto-anarchy, AT&T, SGI, SUN, MCI, Blacknet, Middleman, KLM, Blackbird, plutonium, Texas, jihad, SDI, Uzi, Fort Meade, supercomputer, bullion, 3, Blackmednet, Propaganda, ABC, Satellite phones, Planet-1, cryptanalysis, nuclear, FBI, Panama, fissionable, Sears Tower, NORAD, Delta Force, SEAL, virtual, Dolch, secure shell, screws, Black-Ops, Area51, SABC, basement, data-haven, black-bag, TEMPSET, Goodwin, rebels, ID, MD5, IDEA, garbage, market, beef, Stego, unclassified, utopia, orthodox, Alica, SHA, Global, gorilla, Bob, Pseudonyms, MITM, Gray Data, VLSI, mega, Leitrim, Yakima, Sugar Grove, Cowboy, Gist, 8182, Gatt, Platform, 1911, Geraldton, UKUSA, veggie, 3848, Morwenstow, Consul, Oratory, Pine Gap, Menwith, Mantis, DSD, BVD, 1984, Flintlock, cybercash, government, hate, speedbump, illuminati, president, freedom, cocaine, $, Roswell, ESN, COS, E.T., credit card, b9, fraud, assasinate, virus, anarchy, rogue, mailbomb, 888, Chelsea, 1997, Whitewater, MOD, York, plutonium, William Gates, clone, BATF, SGDN, Nike, Atlas, Delta, TWA, Kiwi, PGP 2.6.2., PGP 5.0i, PGP 5.1, siliconpimp, Lynch, 414, Face, Pixar, IRIDF, eternity server, Skytel, Yukon, Templeton, LUK, Cohiba, Soros, Standford, niche, 51, H&K, USP, ^, sardine, bank, EUB, USP, PCS, NRO, Red Cell, Glock 26, snuffle, Patel, package, ISI, INR, INS, IRS, GRU, RUOP, GSS, NSP, SRI, Ronco, Armani, BOSS, Chobetsu, FBIS, BND, SISDE, FSB, BfV, IB, froglegs, JITEM, SADF, advise, TUSA, HoHoCon, SISMI, FIS, MSW, Spyderco, UOP, SSCI, NIMA, MOIS, SVR, SIN, advisors, SAP, OAU, PFS, Aladdin, chameleon man, Hutsul, CESID, Bess, rail gun, Peering, 17, 312, NB, CBM, CTP, Sardine, SBIRS, SGDN, ADIU, DEADBEEF, IDP, IDF, Halibut, SONANGOL, Flu, &, Loin, PGP 5.53, EG&G, AIEWS, AMW, WORM, MP5K-SD, 1071, WINGS, cdi, DynCorp, UXO, Ti, THAAD, package, chosen, PRIME, SURVIAC", "I mean I'm trying Rogaine that medicine for hairloss", "You're probably buying ill-fitting clothing. Finding a good tailor makes all the difference.", "He still is what he is... that's like saying literally any attractive girl wearing makeup is only attractive because she regularly buys makeup from Ulta and is a walking Maybeline ad.", "They often pull the excess fabric and pin in the back of teh mannequin and won't fit on you the same way, no matter how skinny you are.\n\nIf you are really skinny or shaped like Captain America with broad shoulders and a skinny waste, you can get it tailored like this, or add some darts in the back or whatever. Any tailoring will help, but it will only look like the mannequin great if you are really in shape and want it to fit too tight.\n\nOn TV and moves, I have noticed too that they tailor everything, even [Captain America's T-shirts](https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2021/08/Captain-America-punch-bag.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=740&h=370&dpr=1.5). You can't really buy a t-shirt like that in most places that is so big around the shoulders and so skinny around the waste because most men just aren't shaped that way, and its unclear if this is even comfortable. Sure looks awesome, though.", "Oh I wasn’t, it’s hard to convey that it was said in a joking manner.", "Would've been nice if he let Larry explain why it's a crock of shit.", "[Only from the neck up](https://youtu.be/bUswCpd7npw)", "His standup is also seriously under-rated, Leguizamo's that is.", "Personally, I don't think women care as much as men think they do, one way or another. I've seen quite a few men incredibly insecure on the topic, but I've never really heard a woman complain about it. I think this is a subject where projection plays a heavy part in people's perception of how other's perceive them. Of course, I am not especially social and have a small sample size even on the anecdotal side.", "Who the fuck cares about the word “shit”?", " Wait... didn't they put him in a near skin-tight bicycling suit the whole movie? I don't remember him wearing a baggy suit ever lol. Thanks for the excuse to re-watch that movie", "> You said men kill themselves because a little of bad genetic luck and they won't find girlfriends. Not having a girlfriend, when you want one, is indeed bad. Nothing I say will make it good.\n\nOh, I don't think that men are killing themselves due to lack of girlfriends. That's a vast oversimplification and an attempt on your part to try and paint me as an incel, which I am firmly NOT. Further evidenced by how you felt the need to bring in my username, which I made 7 years ago because memes about \"Chad\" being a cool name were everywhere.\n\n>But the biggest problem I see here is your belief that there is only one way to feel your life is worthy, which is being desired by someone you love romantically.\n\nThat's far from my personal philosophy, but due to how the world works it often is very much representative of your worth as a person. It's more of a canary in the mine, if you will.", "Jason Statham ladies and gentlemen!....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFnBXwj6iUI", "Jeff Bezos was known in the public as a balding individual. Think Joel McHale.", "No some people just dont bald in a nice pattern and it just thins funky. My brother and my dad and his brother all balded the same. Used to have really thick oily hair too. Now my head looks like thin baby hair.", "Just going off the username, you clearly like causing trouble and such. Your hair should be as unruly as you are - that seems fitting. \n\nBut I’ll clarify because I sense a degree of hostility here - I don’t actually care about what anyone does with their hair or lack thereof, I’m just stating my personal preferences.", "Ah yeah, the Reddit classic \"if a girl has high standards then good for her, but if a guy has anything resembling standards he's an incel niceguy chud.\"\n\nAnd I never even brought standards into this. I was just simply saying that if you don't match traditional values of attractiveness then it's going to be very difficult to find a partner since looks are the first thing people are going to notice. As I get older I feel that's much less the case for me, which adds to the irony of you suggesting that it's just my \"standards.\" Though I'm honored you would imply that I make the first move.", "Given his history, it's interesting how Matt Lauer emphasizes the word dominant.", "weird, never heard of male pattern baldness being like that", "Lol you don't need to go to Germany for HGH.", "Fair enough. I of course acknowledge there will be exceptions.", " holy crap, his voice. I forgot what young Joe Rogan sounded like.", "Yes. Evening news broadcasts draw millions more viewers than primetime cable news. And shows like NCIS still average something like 10 million viewers.\n\nI don't know how long it'll last though since many of them are older people.", "Yeah, no need to take that very personal insult personally. You're so enlightened.", "Brilliant point and handsomely made", "Norm is the ultimate example of somebody who will say something they don’t believe if it will get a laugh.", "And Bruce Willis.", "the cop in the video says that at 0:23\n\ndid I really need to write out \"haha that cop said bald is not a race, it's funny that larry's interjecting baldness into the racism issues in america\" so that no one would be confused that I wasn't actually legitimately saying that baldness isn't a race? \n\nyou think the link would provide context, but who am I kidding reddit loves to comment before actually reading/viewing lol", "Luigi Mario", "It's all about face shape and skull. Some people look better with the remaining hair, others look better with a full shave.", "Yay you. If only we ALL had your experience. But since we dont, your comment means fuck all.", "I wasn't attempting to do that. You seemed very anguished, and I sympathized. I brought up your user name because it's funny by itself and ironic given the situation. I agree people use this kind of standard to value our worth. Didn't mean to insult you.", "Another insane hair choice to add to Colin Farrell's extensive movie character collection.", "He's an alpaca.", "'Shit' should universally be a socially accepted word. It's so satisfying to say, works in so many different contexts, and is just totally inoffensive to hear.\n\nIt's one of the best words we have. Hiding it away is a crock of shit.", "I used to occasionally listen to his podcast when he had interesting people on but COVID made him so God damn insufferable.", "hahha [yes his insane hair collection is quite strong](https://i.imgur.com/ZA5t01D.png)", "I wish I could afford plastic surgery", "Roger?", "Matt \"Fire Ann Curry live on air and make her cry, because she wouldn't let you cum in her eye\" Lauer?", "False", "Why do you think he's trying on new clothes?", "Larry can’t go anywhere without having to apologize for something. I love this man.", "Same but I still don't want to because now I'll just look like a hipster. Or a racist. Either way I'm not for it.", "Yeah no one has ever smelled what Jason Statham is cooking", "My eldest daughter is in her second marriage as well as having a multi-year relationship with a third guy in between. Ever Damn One Of Them Is Bald!!\n\nMy youngest daughter was only in one relationship. You got it. Bald as a billiard ball! \n\nNo idea why they went that route. Me? I have a full head of hair at 64. A couple times a year, I shear it off, but, even now, a week or so later, it's already a half inch long. (I SAID I sheared it. Butch cut)", "No but I doubt this guy would leave the same comment about The Rock being masculine", "Isn’t there a correlation between high natural testosterone levels and early baldness. Apparently fighter pilots and other macho professions go bald much more often than the general population", "The trick is to make them laugh so hard they squint or close their eyes. Then they can't tell how ugly you are. It's what I do anyways.", "I'm a straight guy but I don't think Willem Dafoe should be on that list.", "Why not both?", "As someone who still has full hairline but has to shave it because it grows out thin, thank god. \n\nIt's a tricky one to explain but when shaved it fully begs a question why, until I let it grow for a month and then it's oh yeah, I see. I can see forest floor real clear.", "Need someone sleazy, completely covered in slime with questionable ethics? John Leguizamo’s your man.", "No mention of Bruce Willis when Die Hard was released in 1988?", "He is a cross Fabio and Fonzi but yea he is still attractive.", "Yes, you need a digital converter though, but those are pretty cheap", "Yea, okay. Tell that to (pre-Dune) Jason Momoa.", "That business in The Boondocks Saints doesn’t…. Doesn’t count.", "> You'd have to be completely socially retarded not to understand the difference.\n\nYou're the one that said \"You'd be hard-pressed to find any kind of work environment that's that rigidly formal.\" on a nationally televised morning show. You can't swear during any kind of interview, televised or not. Yet you imply you can since what's the point of commenting this?", "Tom Cruise expressly wanted fat hands in that lol \n \nall of it worked out so damn well", "I still remember seeing the video catching him commenting on a woman's body very blatantly while on break. It was pretty disgusting. One of the celebs during the Me Too Movement I've actually seen have solid, damning evidence against them.", "There are some sad losers around this country that had their day ruined by hearing him say \"bullshit\" while they sipped their morning coffee.", "Don't worry you're not cool anyway", "I think the difference is a shaved head versus a bald person.", "They did, but it wasn't because they were required to. Or, to be more specific: Comedy Central required South Park to do it, but only because Comedy Central wanted that as a standard, not because they were legally required to.", "Naw, I like to offer different perspectives, but not unruly by any means.\n\nAnd nope, no hostility at all. Like I said, I could not care less about what people feel someone else’s hair should look like. Just responding to your question. Nothing wrong with someone liking a look on themselves that you don’t on yourself.", "studies on personal taste are absolutely terrible...", "LD bringing that hard truth!", "How many bald guys can you name who can still grow a full head of hair?", "I would honestly like to know how many women would like to get butt naked and ride Patrick Stewart’s sagittal crest. \n \nEspecially if there was some sort of saddle stirrups about chest high.", "You realize people can’t control what they feel attracted to right? It’s also not an insult, it’s someone stating individual preferences", "Are you telling me that Matt Lauer, who played himself in Sharknado 3: Oh Hell No, did not property cite the conclusion of the study???", "He's a knight and lives in Park Slope a neighborhood in Brooklyn.", "I live off grid and practice intermittent fasting so keeping a healthy weight isn't difficult. But when I see family or go on unhealthy eating binges it's easily gained back because that's how fat cells work.", "I don't think telling people to remove their genitals is the best move..", "Shit. That was funny.", "Larry David and Danny Devito have been bald for decades. They were bald in the 80s and 90s before the horseshoe look was universally hated. Same can go for Dr. Phil and Jason Alexander. The bald look became part of their brands. Going fully bald now would be a significant change to the image they've created.", "Why does he look like Geodude in the first picture", "There's no standard rule to it. You just have to do what makes you feel confident because that's what's actually sexy. Patrick Stewart, Ed Harris, Jude Law and Bill Murray all come to mind.", "Rephrasing for clarity: \"The guys in the video only read the title, like the best of us.\"", "I was worried when my hair started to thin but women really do like bald guys. Also, there's many young women that are attracted to older balding men. It baffled me too.", "Never said you did???\n\nSaid Joe Rogan did…..cuz he did….\n\nCuz he was getting millionaire luxuries that aren’t available to normal citizens like us, and was getting these luxuries LONG before they were “popular”", "The nerve of Matt Lauer to tell his guy to keep it family friendly.", "Mannequins are like a size 0. Don't get yourself all worked up over not looking like one.", "I'm 38 and almost completely bald on top, but not at all on the sides, full on friar tuck. Now, I shave my head cause I still have a drop of self respect left, but my girl friend legit wants me not to shave it, she WANTS the friar tuck look.... I'm not doing it.", "99% of the time being bald is a death sentence.", "Watch your tongue! You are speaking of Emperor Uriel Septim VII, the true emperor of Tamriel!", "I mean. It started that way until the white supremacists took it over and ruined the fun", "Okay, but seriously, being hilarious is legitimately a quality that has turned people I previously found unattractive immediately attractive for me, if that's worth anything to anyone's self esteem.", "Oh shit* is the default saying here in the Netherlands if you forget something or something went wrong. Yes in English. And yes also older people use that a lot.\n\nIf you dislike something that's 'shit' too. \n\nYounger people also use oh fuck! as a stronger form of frustration / when something is wrong.\n\nAmglophones often need some time to get used to that when coming to the Netherlands.", "Instructions unclear, got vaccinated and am now magnetic.", "And then the subject of the clip when he himself is a bald man...ugh.", "[Mate...](https://i.imgur.com/9kTuKeU.png)", "You think it has anything to do with being hilarious and wealthy and successful?", "[FCC rules always reminds me of the Family Guy episode.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwDPTThyfYc)", "There was always stigma against it, no?", "He’s crazy I’ve seen plenty of beautiful bald women.", ">/u/Classicreddit2k20: I’m not an incel or even know wtf that means\n\nAlso /u/Classicreddit2k20: [Let me clarify that this rant about porn actresses being whores is NOT an incel rant... a term that I've never heard of before...](https://www.reddit.com/r/AngelaWhite/comments/os31ku/bts/h6omvc9/)\n\n>Think about that before replying to me\n\nMy friend, I didn't even read past the first line, let alone think about whatever the fuck this was.", "holodecks don't count", "Bruce Willis wasn’t bald in 1988", "Some people don't look good with a full shaved head and actually look better with the horseshoe. Don't force it if it doesn't work.", "As someone who basically looks exactly like a young ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^muchuglier Brad Pitt, I agree.", "I’ve specifically been told more than a few times, “I’d shave my head too if I had a nice shaped head like you.” She’s just weird", "[\"With all due respect, they are not bald ok? They have chosen to shave their hair, that's a look that they're cultivating to be fashionable and we don't really consider them part of the bald community.\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQCVf7AnXNY&ab_channel=SohailKarmani)", "As a woman married to a full bearded man who shaves his head because, as he says, “you’d have to call me patches,” I can confirm that bald men are damn sexy. \n\nTo me bald men are the answer to my distaste for men with man buns and ponytails.", "I think he looks more bad ass bald, but I'm a straight man so my opinion doesn't count for shit if you're talking about female attraction to males.", "no help for the bruthas? terry crews jacked as fuck and im not sure ive ever seen him with hair", "Vin Diesel 20 years ago was absolutely hot", "> Willem Dafoe\n\nWillem Defoe is the man that proves that Ugly men are super attractive.", "That's something a lot of fashion advisors have been saying for yeeeeeears. Nothing off of the rack will fit you perfectly. More often than not you will need to have items tailored to fit your body. The problem is not everyone can afford to have their clothing tailored.", "I suppose not, but he was well on his way. It was still unusual for a leading man in 1988.\n\nhttps://imgur.com/gallery/3Py0T", "Colin Farrell is an attractive man. But he's never been \"peak Brad Pitt\" level of attractive. There's levels to this", "That’s what we expect from our Larry 😀", "Is that actually his voice? It sounds like he is doing a bit and changing his voice.", "I shaved my head for the first time ever over the summer and personally LOVED the look. My GF on the other hand... lets just say I've grown my hair back lol", "It would have been more obvious if you didn’t put lmao at the beginning", "Are they twins?", "Oh boy, you're quite confused. The discussion isn't about morning show standards--they can't have swearing on morning shows because the FCC can fine them huge amounts of money for it, in addition to the fact that the tone of morning shows is generally pretty polite. It's completely unsurprising that the host reacted the way he did. That's not the matter in question. The matter in question is that the OP intentionally labelled this post \"NSFW\", because OP thinks that the phrase \"crock of shit\" is inappropriate for a workplace environment, which as multiple people in this comment thread have pointed out is demonstrably not the case, and which is obvious to nearly anybody who's ever had a white collar job in the US.", "> Balder here\n\nSay hi to your brothers Thor, Víðarr and Váli!", "Right there is why you cannot take half of the studies released seriously. They need to be peer reviewed multiple times and replicated over and over and over.", "There are levels to make up artists as well... did you even bother to see the make up that the Penguin is wearing?", "I would called Willem Dafoe strange looking before I'd call him ugly. I also wouldn't called Mike Meyers ugly.", "Does Larry David age? I swear he’s looked like this for the last 30 years.", "Being completely bald on top with hair on the sides definitely works better than someone who just has super thin hair on top or a bald spot. I'd almost say for someone who's balding to shave it all off, then maybe one day grow it back when it's sorted itself out into a proper horseshoe.", "He’s wearing a cheap ill fitting suit that’s far too large for him in part of it. Apparently most folks just see Brad Pitt still though, even if his suit coat shoulders droop like a basset hound’s cheeks.", "“With all due respect, you’ve made a conscious decision to shave your head which is a look you’re going for, and we don’t really consider you to be a part of the bald community”", "Wait you’re trying to tell me that attractive people are attractive??? \n\nAbsolutely groundbreaking you should reach out to a University or something", "[he 100% does not](https://youtu.be/lQCVf7AnXNY)", "If if you're wearing a potato sack, you'll look attractive if you wear a do-rag", "I’m imagining a crock pot of shit. Similar to what my mother makes for Sunday supper.", "Or Patrick Starfish", "Personally I agree, but again it's just a personal thing. Doesn't mean there's anything wrong with having the opposite opinion. \n\nI actually think comb-overs and hair pieces often look a lot better than that newly thinning hair look, but there's so much stigma and shaming around it that people don't even consider the possibility of accepting those looks. It's like people just go \"I can tell it's a comb-over or a hair piece so it's bad!\" and it makes no sense to me. I can tell when a woman is wearing lip stick. Does that automatically mean it looks worse than not wearing lipstick? Obviously not.", "Uhhh I'm on the west coast and I can see the s word right there", "Imma get me some of the Istanbul hair in a few months and I will come back to you guys with a scientific study!!", "My hairline has been bad since I was like 18. Hasn’t moved since.", "Rob Brydon is another one. Had no idea that dude was balding until I saw a random early episode of QI.", "Nah, if a guy is genuinely funny it makes him so much more attractive", "Gotta disagree with this one because ain't no guy who still has good hair shaving bald. If it were masculine or desirable in any way, there'd be at least a few.", "In the US, you don't need a digital converter if you have a television made after 2007. All TVs after then were required to have digital tuners that you can connect to an antenna.", "Maybe you look good to me. Maybe I'm just too shy to tell you.", "I did not know that. That's pretty neat.", "Damn those sexy mannequins", "I think that is an angry prince William.", "This must be on old clip. I just assumed it wasn’t him.", "> unclear if this is even comfortable\n\nIt's a tight t-shirt, tailored to Chris Evans' jacked body, just how uncomfortable do you think he's going to feel?!", "Technically it’s only a problem if someone writes to the FCC to complain. There’s not an official list of words but it basically boils down to vulgar terms for scatological things or sexual things. It leads to some unusual situations like the word “piss”; if someone on TV says they’re “pissed off” it’s generally okay (colloquial expression) but if they really gotta “go piss” they could be fined. Most stations have their own internal list for employees.", "Or moobs", "Definitely a stigma against baldness as \"hair tonics\" and plugs were still a thing back then. It was just less men/women caring about actually doing something about it. Male attractiveness was derived a lot more from masculinity/confidence than physical looks. Same reason all those shirtless pictures were considered sexy even if the man didn't have a six pack.", "Yeah they look better without hair. You only look like a cancer patient if you have no other facial hair (beard or eyebrows). \nThis also depends on the headshape but if you have a horseshoe you‘re holding on to your imaginary hair fam", "You must have never been balding then? I can’t count the amount of unnecessary rude comments I got. “Are you balding” “ why are you balding” “you have a distinguished hairline” literally someone pointed at me and said “receding hairline”.", "I mean that's what white supremacist do, co-opt things that are ok by themselves then distort them and force them to be associated with their ideals to attract new racist. \n\nHell when I was a kid I even very vaguely remember \"skinheads against racism\" posters and those skin heads calling racist skinheads \"boneheads\" so they were not always the same thing.", "Bingo.\n\nHonestly the whole “bald guys are so hot” thing is such a farce. They were hot before they went bald, you are attracted to them because they are hot. You just don’t happen to particularly care about hair. Which is great! But it is not what makes them attractive to you. \n\nShow me a less than attractive dude. Now make him bald and tell me that somehow improves his odds with you. Fuck out here with that.", "I don't want to sound like 'that guy' but I work out and my shirts fit me exactly like that. Most of my Tshirts i really enjoy are from BYLT. Inexpensive and seemingly good quality over the last 2 years.", "Huh interesting, hadn't seen that. But even though the origin might be apocryphal, the developers went along with it for Civ V, giving Gandhi an AI bias of 12 for building and using nukes.", "My dad and I call that the toilet bowl. Instead of following his path and accepting it, I just went full shaved head.", "“And I don’t deserve this — BALD ASSHOLE!?”\n\nLmfao", "Obviously. But Burn after Reading was made 14 years ago and the makeup department would have a harder time making Brad Pitt look like the Penguin than they would with Colin Farrell.", "T shirts are stretchy, so it is easier to achieve this look, but in my opinion the shirt Cap is wearing in the iconic punching bag scene is tailored, and most guys won't look like that.", "It’s bald not balding. I’m 33 and so thin on top but sides are full full. I leave it grown it looks like crap so I just buzz my head every 3 weeks or so.", "God, comments like this are the main reason I even get out of bed anymore...", "I love him.", "He isn’t wrong in this instance though…it’s kind of weird how baldness is something you can’t change (unless you take androgen-altering meds like finasteride and risk side effects), but it is still fair game for people to mock. I don’t get it.", "Oh no, I’ve commented in a certain sub. You’ve got me there, any point I have is now invalidated \n\nBut seriously, [you can just look at my participation there](https://camas.github.io/reddit-search/#{%22author%22:%22avidblinker%22,%22subreddit%22:%22mensrights%22,%22resultSize%22:100}), if context or actual content means anything to you. I think all my comments there are calling them out for misinformation, not in support by any means. \n\nSo maybe we can agree that discounting somebody‘s opinion purely on the basis they’ve commented in a certain sub isn’t a great way to inspire productive conversation?", "Broadcast TV. They’re the ones that get fined. You could say it on live TV on a cable station and as long as the sponsors don’t care you’re in the clear.", "I fucking love Larry David.", "Bald men are so dominant that they lock the door and don’t let women leave.", "I’m a comic book guy (less so a Norse mythology guy) and that definitely crosses my mind whenever I refer to myself as such!", "No way. Hanging on to what little hair you have left makes you look like the crypt keeper. Just shave the rest off and start working out so you don't look like a skeleton. The horse shoe haircut just makes you look like a dope.", "So are the hosts", "Let me guess you’re under 25", "29, lost most of my hair at 24. Every once in a while I let the ol Terry Bradshaw power donut grow out just to assert my dominance.", "In the land of the free, where everyone has a gun, but you can't swear on tv.", "Times change... used to be \"shit\" was considered very vulgar and offensive, and racial slurs not so much. Now we're inversed. It's cultural... TV is obviously behind the times.", "lol you really think that FX make up has changed that much in so little time?\n \nahahah I guess you haven't watched many movies with practical effects?", "George thinks this study is full of shit!", "[Reminds me of what Norm McDonald said about guys women find funny.(around 3:56 mark) ](https://youtu.be/cREkyCEJHOA/s=3:56)", "the GOAT", "You're welcome.", "Remember that women's romance novel with a bald guy on the front? Yeah, neither do I.", "It’s obvious that this is referring to men who shave their heads, not male pattern baldness.", "People find him attractive? Lol", "What do you mean they ruined it?\n\nIt's just more of a rough guy look. Loads of guys have been shaved throughout the decades.\n\nEdit: Perhaps that's your experience. I just associate it with bald men, or punks, and of course nazis... or loads of other things.", "Yeah, dominant and more masculine. But less attractive. Which makes sense, since bald men tend to have higher testosterone levels. \n\n\"Shorn Scalps and Perceptions of Male Dominance\" by Albert Mannes", "they just wanted brad pitt to look like a dumb guy who didn't know how to buy a suit that fits, not put a new prosthetic face on him. his character was a fitness trainer in the movie, he was still ripped.", "His hair gets me every time! Like he's trying to look like a tiger", "Did he also explain to Lauer that women don't like being locked in offices and molested?", "study was conducted by a bald man", "I think humans that love themselves are beautiful", "My brother had a couple of coin sized stress induced bald patches (one in his beard, one in the neck - you literally would not be able to tell if he just trimmed his beard) after his second child was born, and he told me (who started balding at 21), that he would rather be in my situation.\n\nIn the 5 seconds of dead silence where I just stared at him, I think he completely reevaluated his view on his minor and intermittent hairloss, and his patches grew in shortly after.", "some guy uploaded a blank photo and got hundreds of matches on tinder lol", "You gotta style the ring.", "In today’s fashion? Yes.\n\nIn the fashion of that time? Also yes, but oh my god so much more so.", "Have you seen Bruce Willis with hair?", "Thank you, this is pretty much what I came in here to post. Glad your post is at the top.", "New season of Curb dropped yesterday!!", "Matt Lauer can suck it.", "Haha, as an MMA fan I love that you used Felder as your example. War moustache", ">-the bald men were not in fact rated as more attractive but more dominant\n\nBecause hair movement is a sign of weakness", "I don't think it's actually that bad. I think the problem is that a lot of these studies aren't conducted in realistic terms. For example, the retail industry has had study after study tell them that people are willing to pay for good service and quality products. But the reality is Walmart, which has neither of those things, is the top retailer. If these studies were true, then Walmart would have gone belly up long ago.\n\nThe reality is in a perfect world or perfect scenario, where it has no impact on you, this is what people prefer. But when it comes down to buying something (or in the videos point, bald men), it's not for you.", "Forest floors are good, you don't want a forest covered in litter.", "This is how I feel about a lot of trendy things that come and go- Ugg boots, high rise jeans, they're all just hideous unless they're worn by people who are really attractive anyway", "Or not everybody has the exact same opinion and many people don’t mind, and even like the “horseshoe” look", "didn't this host sexually assault or rape a bunch of women? \nis this an old clip?", "[This is the way.](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/EF8BRD/chow-yun-fat-crouching-tiger-hidden-dragon-2000-EF8BRD.jpg)", "They should’ve had Jim Rash on as well", "Username checks out", "Shaved, it’s a hairdo", "Laziness? Don't see people clipping their hair every day, they must be lazy too.", "Larry: \\dominance intensifies\\", "yOu hAvE tO oWn It", "“Bald men are considered more attractive and dominant”\n\nAs a bald man I’m tired of the fake news media lying to us", "It is very easy to make a dumb guy look like they don't know how to buy a suit that doesn't fit.... just make everything much shorter than it should be\n \n \ncuffs up to the elbows and hems to the knee caps... ez pz", "I don't think I've ever heard anyone call Mike Myers ugly. He's no smokeshow but he's just a very normal looking man.", "Curb theme starts playing immediately", "Study shows that Elektra found Bullseye more attractive and assertive than Daredevil due to his baldness.", "basically pick between shaving it off constantly to go for the Mr. Clean look or using clippers once a week and aiming to look like store brand Jason Statham's", "The key to dating.", "So, be 1980's Kim Cattrall?", "I find Farrell far more attractive than Brad Pitt. But I just don't really find Pitt attractive.", "Yeah I was thinking the same, maybe if Larry got rid of all those cumulonimbulus clouds floating round his head he'd get more action.", "So are you suggesting that Matt Lauer doesn’t understand the difference between someone being attracted to you and someone who’s been coerced due to your dominance?", "It probably only true if being bald suits you. Not universally \"every bald man\"\n\nLike johnny sins lol", "Is the censoring difference literally just a timezones thing? Why would only east coast not have \"crock of shit\" bleeped?", "\" Any man can be confident with a full head of hair - but a confident bald man: that's your diamond in the rough! \" Larry David on Curb", "BALD FUCK", "!Remindme 10 years.", "Because it's live? So they didn't expect him to say that so quickly.", "God that show is so funny", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\\_htnaGN8eOs", "I tried this, I felt like a dummy.", "Anecdotally going bald has really helped me professionally as it makes me look much older.\n\nAt least that makes up for the esthetic side which... eeeh. Could be worse, would really benefit from the ability to grow facial hair.", "And his lilies keep getting killed by those damned rodents", "Still a thing for me when I shaved last year. Got several people outright telling me I looked like a skinhead in the first week before I switched away from the default \"white guy in jeans and leather jacket\" look which DOES NOT fly when bald.\n\nNow I can only used my cool leather jacket when I have bright colored pants :(", "That's how you lose a finger!", "I'm just now noticing that the hot guy's V-neck gets deeper in each panel.", "Another trick I think is being tall. While short guys can be attractive the whole appeal of being bald is to look masculine and like a badass. So bald guys 6 feet tall look badass and can be very attractive. However when you're 5'6\" rocking a shaved head and beard you just look like a bald dude with a beard.", "So the time zone issue. Idk I figured all live shows these days where on a slight delay for exactly that reason. That's why I'm confused. When I was in school for tv broadcasting (granted 10 years ago) they taught us about that delay asap lol. We even used it in our own new casts so this is just weird to me...", "\"Perceived as being taller\" is kinda a weird phrase but I also get it", "Couldn’t be wearing a helmet all the time?", "Since when is \"crock of shit\" worthy of three apologies? Who the fucks watching day time television that's gonna get offended by that?", ">Matt Lauer? What year is it?\n\nUnpopular opinion, but I do miss Matt Lauer. \n\nI'm NOT saying he should be excused for his sexual misconduct, I'm NOT saying he should be allowed back on air. \n\nI'm just saying that Matt Lauer was a really good and nostalgic host on the Today Show and for the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. \n\nIt sucks that HE SUCKS in his personal life. \n\nDude was a good host, and I don't think it's inappropriate to say just because he turned out to be a bad person.", "But attire and makeup/prosthetics totally different things. If you make someone up to have half his face melted off, it is not the same thing as not being able pull off unflattering clothing.", "He is literally the funniest comedian ive ever seen", "meta", "[I'm guessing you guys don't have much experience with poorly fitted suits](http://damanino.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/header2-1024x457.jpg)\n \nits very much possible to make a good looking person look silly in a suit\n\njust make the cuffs & hem too short.... anyone will look silly\n\nhttps://www.johnlund.com/Images/Man-in-too-small-Suit.jpg", "All my girlfriends know I’m attracted to bald men and then they try to set me up with a few but often times it’s men who are bald just on the top. I always say “bald not balding, theres a difference!”", "This comment made my day, so you're already super hot in my book :D", "Or the don'tests of hairdon'ts?", "I know when my wife really wants me, it's when she can't stop laughing at my same ol' jokes.", "CAN I GET A HELL YEAH?", "holy shit that's epic.. I totally missed him playing in that lol", "And Johnny Sins", "LMMFAO, yeah right, wrong.", "I think it's just confidence. I've never met a prohibitively shy person who was also hilarious.", "That's not how timezones work with a live broadcast Matt....", "Isn't that just a skinny fit size XXL?", "[He really shines in 'The Pest'](https://youtu.be/cAB8dNMoXZ0?t=39)", "Oh bro... you ain't heard about him being creepy with younger women? I almost wish I didn't tell you.", "Oh wouldn't he? https://imgur.com/gallery/TrwuNH2", "No. [He looks terrible with hair](https://i.redd.it/0xg63y47qsxy.jpg).", "Yeah, how you feel is so underrated too. Do things that make you feel hot and you'll be hotter. This year, I ditched my glasses for contacts and I feel downright sexy.", "My hair grows a lot faster than that. I still have most of mine left, though, just not enough to grow it.", "But he was still hot tho", "I think confidence definitely plays a role sometimes, but some of the funniest people I've met were sleepers I wasn't expecting to be so funny because they were usually really quiet or shy.", "Bald guy here. Something something something something.", "This is just what guys without the confidence to rock a stache say.", "Lol I love that movie but never heard that story. To be fair, that suit definitely doesn’t look great.", "I disagree. I saw a guy going in there and he was bald", "I mean, it's not like those decisions were all made at the same time by the same group of people.", "Is bald a haircut like shaved is a haircut?", "Sure, but that's still a men problem. We could be pickier. Should be, even.", "Step 3: profit", "Matt Lauer and Larry David on screen at the same time? Uh oh…\n\n[Curb Your Enthusiasm theme]", "Cloon tang ain’t nothing to fuck with", "One of these men had a secret remote door lock installed in his office to prevent female coworkers from escaping his office.\n\nThe other is Larry David.", "Apparently, Patrick Stewart was very self conscious about being bald, and thought he would look horrible playing his iconic Star Trek role.", "Matt Morginsky of The Supertones and Michael Rosenbaum's Lex Luthor definitely do it for me", "Wait hang on. All I’m getting is stuff saying he claimed to have dated an underage Natalie Portman, which she denies. She was underage at the time, so it made her and the public extremely uncomfortable. Pretty fucked up, but it seems like nothing ever actually happened?\n\nEDIT: Oh ok, looks like he was indeed creepy with her: it just never went further than that. Still fucked up. I take back my “you take that back”", "And females can’t resist a man with high testosterone. It’s science.", "That's because there are a lot of dudes who literally only care about getting laid and they don't care with who. My friend's mom joined Tinder after she got divorced at 55 years old. Not to be crude, but she was not some milf, she looked like a below average 55 year old American woman. And yet, she was hooking up with a different 20-35 year old every single night. They weren't 10/10 dudes, but she could pull guys who were above average. \n\nHave some god damn standards dudes.", "I'd have to see the photos they used, Michael Jordan looks better with a shaved head, George Castanza from Seinfeld not so much. There might even be a race aspect, black men seem to pull off a shaved head better than white guys.", "Yea it's not like he's the worst sex pest of all time, but indications are that he's kinda a sex pest", "\"Hey, yeah, my dad's dead, too!\"", "Bro, for real I was like hang on, this motherfucker can't still be on TV, can he?? What a crock of shit!", "Seriously: a nutless monkey.", "Lmao “sex pest”\n\nBut yeah thanks for pointing that out. I mean, my original comment was definitely a bit tongue-in-cheek because, while I love his music, I knew he was a bit of a dick. But I did not know about this sexual harassment shit. I’m not sure I can listen to his music ever again lol", "Most people have more of a Paul Giamatti face shape going on", "\"How do you know prayers don't work?\"\n\n\"BECAUSE I'M BALD.\"", "Your hair is the noodles.", "When Willem Dafoe gets naked in front of you, you're not looking at his face...", "Well, best crack out the whisky, maybe you can forget", "I have the problem that I look much older than I am, and since I work in the game industry that is a big negative. Fortunately, Propecia works wonders for me so my gray hair is full.", "\"He SHAVED his head? That's like riding in a wheelchair for the fun of it!\"\n\n\\-George Costanza", "But Larry is also in his 70s, so he comes from a time where any swear on TV would lead to gasps.", "Matt Lauer can suck it!", "First rule of life; Be attractive, don't be unattractive.", "Man contacts were such a lifechanger honeslty", "Some people have receding hairlines in their teens. It's possible he is one of them. No shame in that. But he doesn't look great with hair at all.", "That looks like a robot", "Matt Laurer still has a job?", "I can give partial credit to robo gfs. Im moreso talking about humans. Like whenever they have a supermodel show or beauty pageant they always have that one bald chick and i never find them attractive", "This season of curb is off to an amazing start!", "When you find out Larry David plays Larry David on Curb.", "Of course not, but you just triggered everyone and now you're going to be cancelled.", "I am a robot. Not a miracle worker.", "Who, in their right mind, would look at George Costanza, of all people, and go \"Yeah, being him is probably pretty cool\"", "I once made my college roommate almost pass out with laughter. I forget the famous woman we were talking about, but I said, \"God*DAMN, she'd look amazing in a burlap sack!\"\n\nThis was about 1992, so I dunno who it was. But he laughed for a solid minute.", "& Captain Picard", "Most people don't realize having a physique like that is simple. All you do, guys, all you have to do is wake up, run two miles, eat breakfast, get a workout in with heavy compound movements, eat a second breakfast, go for a short walk, take a nap, wake up, do some recovery work pushing a sled or rucking a few miles, eat, do some high rep weightlifting, eat, and sleep nine hours.\n\nLiterally anyone can do it.", "It's getting a bit rough these days, as a bald white dude. I'm bald, I have a full beard, white, I wear lots of camo and black(metal head), and I've got lots of tattoos. Lots of people assume I'm a skinhead at first, but joke's on them, I'm a bi leftist. I still get random stuff now and then from other dudes, like I got greeted with a \"1488\" a year or so ago when going to a guys house to buy something. So weird.", "A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work.", "They're really that hung up about saying 'shit'? So what?", "Bald is a pattern, like stripes, or polka-dots.", "Matt Lauer not the best source of gender relations", "hah in my early 20's I was embarrassed about buying condoms... In my 30's and seeing all my friends broke cause of child support, I slap those puppies on the conveyor belt proudly.", "#OH COME ON.", "Plot twist: the Klan looks like the Coneheads under those hoods.", "You think guys who look like that are gonna advertise it?", "Watch how at 1:00 Matt gets legit mad.. then quickly goes back to smiling.", "Get Fuzzy did something similar", "I knew what I was signing up for.", "No, more that my understanding was that male pattern baldness always was either thinning at the crown and/or receding hairline in the front.", "His interviews with comedians were good back in the day, once trump came around maybe sometime after he just became unbearable. \n\nWhen he was hocking fleshlights instead of brain pills BS like alex jones he was cool.", "Except with bald girls I think", "It's not a binary system though. I'm bald and I make sure to shave it all down and not leave a ring of hair etc. I buy clothes that fit and trim my facial hair to look neat. If I just let myself exist I am not attractive but if I give a fuck then I become attractive. Too many dudes throwing in the towelle with their appearance because they don't wanna try.", "I always forget the you can't curse on American television", "For the Reddit crowd yes. But he was technically a Trekkie. So cancelled out again.", "Christ can people in this thread lay off my man Buscemi.", "I’m offended that they beep stuff like that", "I find it kind of quaint that American TV still finds \"shit\" bleep worthy.", "Eat clen and tren hard", "Doesn't sound so bad if accompanied with a smooth peak 80s synth soundtrack.", "oh matt lauer...before we found out he was a creep with a lot of power...", "Well alrighty then!", "Matt Lauer talking about bald men being dominant didn’t age well. Didn’t he have an automatic door closer in his office?", "Don't forget the 'supplements'", "Gospel for Coders", "The FCC does a lot more than just fine day-time tv for swearing. basically all internet, tv, and radio goes through them. For example, When SpaceX's starlink wants to provide satellite internet access to Americans, it has to go through the FCC.\n\nEvery developed country has some sort of equivalent.", "I thought that was David Warner (Aussie cricketer) for a moment, but the cauliflower ears were a giveaway.\n\nhttps://images.daznservices.com/di/library/sportal\\_com\\_au/ab/a6/david-warner\\_ni0vhy9f571r10wrqhjbjar5m.jpg?t=851685280&quality=100", "Not sure if we should be trusting Matt Lauer’s research on what women want", "And a reasonable looking guy regardless", "iirc Jonathan Frakes never won TV Guide's Sexiest man. Sir Stewart did.", "It's probably not live for non-Eastern time zones and just airs at 7am wherever you live.", "There is a chain here in Australia where most of their stuff seems to fit me like it's tailored.\n\nJust a shame it's one of the more expensive shops on the street", "I'd add eccentric scientists and clowns to that list.", "The censorship of curse words is honestly one of the most bizarre and ridiculous things in all American culture.\n\nI can't believe we're still seeing grown up people panick, blush, sweat, and apologize over saying \"shit\" on tv in 2021.", "boneheads not skinheads. No one took anything", "This would make the most sense.", "Tom Brady SNL Human Resources skit has that same message.", "no. women like men who like themselves.", "+1 for the pest, I love that movie", "Like no one hears these words ever on the street...", "I can confirm that.", "Must be an old clip considering the host...", "These guys worked on a starship. Sexiness for one measly planet is nothing.", "Absolutely ruins things for guys who are looking for a relationship. Quality women see how terrible it is and exit the platforms.", "The irony is that, anecdotally, you seem to see a crap ton of bald CEOs at the types of companies you see or know the CEOs of. While that's probably not borne out statistically there could be a separate social theory that they have all the things that people admire, and separately that some of their valued traits can be conflated with wisdom and epxerience, so baldness insecurity never occurs to them.", ">Stone Cold Steve Austin\n\nI wasn't even a wrestling fan but as soon as you pointed it out.... yeah.", "Could just start Rogaineing now.", "Bill Bailey?", "TIL the USA is the only country with workplaces", "> tall bald guy\n\naka \"tald guy\"", ">Matt Lauer? What year is it?\n\nIt literally says 2017 in the title lol", "Ooh I forgot about that... Wow time flies...", "its easily gained cuz you're eating a fuck ton\n\nalso you may or may not be starving yourself offgrid if you're literally gaining 40lbs visiting\n\nmy man got a hibernation diet", " Not off the rack. People in Hollywood have achieved a level of wealth where they have things tailor made for them or they get it for free from the costume department.", "You can get just about anything taken in or hemmed. It's a little harder to have seams taken out, but not impossible. Most celebrities you see have had most of their clothes tailored, and not just gowns or tuxedos. My aunt whom is super athletic and has a body build like a cross fit competitor has all of her jeans taken in because of her hip shape and buttocks. She swears by it because she hangs on to her jeans way longer due to comfort.", "Team Buscemi.", "Like swastikas…", "he comes from Brooklyn where any swear is appreciated", "When you're rich looking like a bum becomes acceptable", "We channel our repression into Hollywood movies, ok?", "Is this new? I thought this interviewer was cancelled", "So funny. The good old days", "Technically twice. If you count that time he lived a lifespan in 20 minutes.", "I mean the man went bald at like 19 or something", "I would also like to point out that most famous comedians are not hot by any stretch. Being hot is a distraction.", "Legit, there’s a model on Instagram whose whole schtick is that you can make any* outfit look good if you “style it” properly, but everyone keeps reminding her that “nah, it’s not the outfits — you’re just a very attractive person so of course you look good no matter what you’re wearing”. Some people even drive this point home by wearing every outfit she wears exactly how she wears it and, lo and behold, they do NOT look good.", "And now it's the end of 2021.", "He was the first guy to come to mind that a lot of people would know for his not so good looks but he is an absolute gem", "One of those bald guys had to lock women in his office with a secret button under his desk so perhaps the study is a crock of shit", ">George Castanza from Seinfeld not so much.\n\nLike all men, George Castanza from Seinfeld would look better with a shaved head than with the ring of hair around the bald top of his head like he wears it.", "I dont know why, but I get the impression that this was Larry's long plotted dunk on Lauer. Especially the part where he's like \"go on read it again\" with a snarky 'newsreader' implied on the end. My mind heard it even though Larry didnt say it.", "The study likely referred to completely bald men, not balding men. Dave Bautista, Vin Diesel, The Rock, Bruce Willis, etc. are all bald and perceived as confident and dominant.", "this is my guess too. and just to clarify, dwayne johnson had to compensate for his lack of hair with a statuesque body, incredible charisma and the highest social status. that's how important a full head of hair is.", "Add ^,idiot", "Women are much more picky in what they find attractive on the whole, but men are much more picky when it comes specifically to looks.", "Hey I like burgers... dangit", "My dad is bald and has almost gotten his ass kicked a few times for taking his hat off in a bar, fuckin weird", "Found the guy who's never had to send a corporate email", "how did you respond? just ignore it in the moment?", "They weren't bald-ding...Why won't anyone honor the \"ding\"?", "I like how the V on the hot guy's shirt just keeps getting deeper.", "Being fit never hurts, at bare minimum you can make one trip while bringing in the groceries.", "The best indicator of good mustache potential is the space between lip and nose too, so it would probably look great.", "Imagine if Larry David played Lord Voldemort in the Harry Potter movies...", "There's another study that recruited women suffering from endometriosis so doctors could rate their attractiveness. One of their conclusions was that the doctors found women more attractive when these women experienced more pain from endometriosis. One of the worst studies I've seen.", "What a cunt.", "I didn't know what he meant (I was there to buy aquarium fish, he was one of the top breeders of a specific type in the region) so I thought he was saying the price per fish. Which was insanely low at that point in time, so I very much just said \"Huh?\" And he responded with \"Oh, nothing, let's see those fish\"", "This made me laugh so hard thank you", "I worked in construction some time ago and noticed that most of the veteran guys, 20+ year experience, had bald spots at the crown of the head and the temples as well as thinning on top. I always wonders of there was any correlation between them wearing hard hats daily for such a long time and their hair loss. Hard hats trap heat like crazy and the suspension harness makes you sweat profusely even during cold days, I can't imagine that being healthy for the scap in the long term.", "Yeah, yeah, like the guy in the $5000 suit is gonna take care of his body. COME ON!", "the guy with the 5000 dollar suit doesn't need to worry about being attractive, he can buy sex lol", "Hey, Barclay was fine after he mellowed out a bit", "> its easily gained cuz you're eating a fuck ton\n\nThat's what a binge is\n\n> also you may or may not be starving yourself offgrid if you're literally gaining 40lbs visiting\n\nI'm not starving myself I consume plenty of calories. I'm 5'9\" and 160 is my floor. \n\n> my man got a hibernation diet\n\nIntermittent fasting. My metabolism isn't fast which is why I do it.", "Let's not pretend that actors doing their amazing body transformations or maintaining amazing physiques aren't also adding a few cycles of the special sauce to that regime too, hell I know i'd be juiced to the gills if my appearance was part of my income and I had those resources available to me. Luckily I'm in IT so I can embrace my new skinny fat dad bod that I'm cultivating as I get older.", "Every goes to Quarks holosuites....", "Why is his voice so great?! haha", "Thank god you marked this nsfw for reddit.", "I kinda found it like the color black: It's not a color but the absence of color. \n\nBald: It's not a hair style, it's the absence of hair. \n\nHowever shaved is a hairstyle", "Depends if its a cultural victory or not.", "r/tresless would enjoy this.", "Why is cursing such a a big deal on American TV? I don’t get it.", " Fuck Matt lauer. That rapist piece of shit.", "Picard: \"Wesley! Tell me; what is the difference between your mother and the prime directive?\"\n\nWesley Crusher: \"Please stop, sir.\"\n\nPicard: \"I've never violated the prime directive.\"", "You know what else would've worked for Picard? A full head of hair.", "Look, it’s not that hard. All you need to do is lift weights six days a week, stop drinking alcohol, don’t eat anything after 7pm, don’t eat any carbs or sugar at all, in fact just don’t eat anything you like, get the personal trainer from Magic Mike, sleep nine hours a night, run three miles a day, and have a studio pay for the whole thing over a six to seven month span. I don’t know why everyone’s not doing this. It’s a super realistic lifestyle and an appropriate body image to compare oneself to", "The horseshoe look has never been a good thing. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying it's somehow become worse over time.", "For the same reasons abortion is trying to be banned and they think Christianity is under attack: religious fundamentalism from the right.", "Bill Bailey is on a whole nother level. God tier.", "For me, I know I need braces/aligners, a better diet (though I'm already 75% grilled chicken, veggies, and water), better workout plan (all I do is run), and a better wardrobe (no fashion sense whatsoever). \n\nWhy don't I get started? I don't have money...!\n\nNo dental insurance, the food I eat is part of my job's meal plan and I choose the healthiest options, I have no equipment or gym membership so I run, and I don't have the money to get experimental with clothing. \n\nIt feels like being hot is soft-locked by your income.", "The rock would be pretty huge even without gear though, Samoans are pretty thick and even when he was young you could see that he had an extremely strong athletic body.\n\nRogan had what I would describe as a typically average body until he got big, meaning that most of us can probably look as big if we took the gear and put in the work.\n\nBut no amount of gear and work will let many people (as a percentage of the population) look like The Rock.", "Damn. He looks uncomfortably buff in that first picture.", "Just creepy in general, I remember reading stories around 2000 about him having this thing where he would talk to people at parties and try and pull his dick out and touch them with it.", "Yeah, if you work out and groom yourself you're going to be more attractive. Pretty basic stuff.", "The second I see a bald spot, I'm going full bald. Not that \"buzzed hair\" bald but skin bald.", "Honestly? Prince William.", "awesome ! what a great remark", "There are some fiiiiiiine bald women", "Wow 😮", "Depends if your shooting for the beginning of the movie or the end.", "It's like an additional 2 points. So it can take someone from a 6 to an 8, but it's not going to be as impactful if you're starting at a 2 or 3. \n \nSame with being kind. So protip for all my uggos: let's be kind and funny.", "R/agedlikemilk", "People still give a shit what is said on TV?", "Larry knows. It IS a 100% total crock.", "That doesn't mean women find men less attractive, or are more picky, it just means that women are less inclined for casual sex on tinder...\n\nTinder is almost 80% male lol", "I’ve spent about 15 minutes imagining it and it’s gonna be a no from me dawg.", "To be honest, I'd have to think it over. There's things that I miss about having hair. However, I also like being able to eliminate styling my hair from my morning routine. \n\nAlso, I mean ... Cosmetic surgery of all types could be inserted in your comment. \"What if one of the things you didn't like about your body was suddenly changed to be appealing, would you accept it?\" I'd probably prefer to have a more desirable scalp shape (smooth, round head without lumps or cone shapes) instead of hair. I just don't really think of my hair loss as a big deal? Granted I do shave it, avoiding the \"Larry David\" style horseshoe shape of hair. I'm comfortable with my appearance now though, so I'd probably pass. If the hair plugs came with an upgrade to my lifestyle, yeah I'd do it. All things remaining the same, but with hair; probably not.", "Matt really took that study for a ride!", "Anij,\nJenice Manheim,\nPhillipa Louvois,\nNella Daren and\nVash", "a sexy 60 is better than an unattractive 40, hot is hot", "Only after he grew the beard", "I read that as Larry David ejaculates…", "Step 1. Be attractive\n\nStep 2. Don't be unattractive\n\nI know plenty of people who shave their head that are popular with the ladies.\n\nIt has nothing to do with the hair.", "Oh yeah, there’s no escaping that completely. But crunches and push-ups in your room are free and so is intermittent fasting. You do what you can.\n\nWardrobe can be tricky but second hand shops can have some gems.", "What about the mountain time zone? What about the mountain time zone Matt??", "I love that part because it's a hilarious historical reference.", "i think that's the first time anybody has ever called bill murray sexy", "I'm in great shape. Gotta have at least one part of me be appealing, even if just for myself.", "Oh yeah, I do those too. And actually, I eat once a day (because my job only has one lunch meal lol) so I'm essentially intermittent fasting. I have lost visible fat during this time, but I'm still not necessarily where I'd like to be physically.", "Eh, there are plenty of conventionally unattractive men who get by with a great personality and confidence.", "It's a fine line. [Too round](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgL3xCKT9Ls) is not good either.", "They were shown pictures of the same men with various hairstyles. They'd show Jason Alexander bald, with thinning hair, and full head of hair and rank them. They'd do the same thing with Ryan Reynolds, show him with hair, thinning hair, and shaved. So the attractiveness of the individual wasn't factored into it.\n\nBasically: Hair only has a tiny amount to do with attraction. Having noticeably thin hair is unnattractive though. Women would pick a bald Ryan Reynolds over a hairy Jason Alexander anyday. But a Ryan Reynolds that is desperately trying to make his wispy strands look like a full scalp of hair is very unattractive. A confident bald Jason Alexander might have that Ryan Reynolds beat.", "Was it, though?", "Anyone that's being paid to do it or is independently wealthy and has no other obligations, that is.", "[The suit in question](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/1b/ad/b21bad520e04d6ce0825da289dc0043f.jpg)\n\nI put a lot of work into finding a suit that fit me well and tbh, this probably still looks better than me half the time.", "For me, he was the true protagonist of American Psycho. He dominated whichever scene he was in.", "His facial acting in Paris Je t'aime was wonderful. He's a very talented actor.", "He was attractive in The Sopranos! Me and my aunt had a crush on him lol.", "Thank you for censoring that for the later time zones...", "That's okay, just skip to 2 then", "Oh look, it's Mitch Kessler", "And two bald and old men…hahaha", "Dumbass", "Plus there's that long standing rumor that he's hung like a horse...", "The friar tuck IMO is cuter than the Mr Clean, I honestly would be put off if my partner shaved his head all the way", "It's because he leaves the back long. That makes it seem less confident, because it seems like a person is hanging on desperately. The theory I've heard is, bald men are associated with age and hence maturity and the respect of others.\n\nI've also read, women unconsciously prefer men to part their hair one right.", "I see your schwartz is as big as mine.", "There are dozens of us who would pick Buscemi. His face has character and I like that surly working class feel he has", "I disagree. If a guy asks a woman out, their style might effect the answer. That's pretty basic stuff.", "Your phrasing in the initial comment suggests you're not remotely as laissez-faire about the whole thing as you're acting in this comment. You even make a point of asking why anyone would keep the hair \"graveyard.\" Just goes to show how irrational everyone is about this topic.\n\nWhile I'm ultimately happy to keep my hair despite the obvious thinning, there has been no bigger benefit than unexpectedly ending up in a country where people don't obsess about it to the degree the US does. It's unfortunate, but American guys in particular essentially allow a bald spot to become a blemish on their own sense of self-worth.", "Man alive, marketing posts at its finest", "The guy on the left dressed up, groomed and worked out", "???", "Ejacklett", "They really don't have a delay on that broadcast with a producer making sure to bleep stuff.", "you’re welcome, don’t use it all at once.", "Redditors punching the air rn finding out people don't like ugly unfunny fat guys", "No wonder my uncle married twice and divorced twice lol", "Where do you work where you can't say shit?", "Downvoted for having an opinion. Classic reddit.\n\nCan we get over this notion that every person should be attracted to every type of person regardless of looks?\n\nHating someone because of their looks or background is wrong. Not being attractive to certain types is not mean. Everyone on the planet does this, yet when you write it out it's suddingly hurtful? \n\nYou're allowed to not be attracted to white, black, Asian, short, tall, skinny, fat, bald, hairy, pretty, ugly, rich, poor, trans, anything. It doesn't mean you hate these groups. Physical Attraction is a big part of a relationship. Just deal with it. \n\nYou're allowed to have a type.\n\nAlso, here's this really great thing you get to have with people you're not physically attracted to. A friendship!", "he did say compared to their hairfull counterparts, which sounds like the were controlling for other factors", "Same. I need mannequins with short fat legs and a long skinny torso.", "In what workplace is \"a crock of shit\" not an appropriate statement of emphasis (provided it's not overused of course)? Maybe a pre-school?", "Absolute first thing I thought of when I saw the topic title", "Dang i should just start commuting on foot. I'd get like 8 hours of exercise and no sleep.", "And the personal trainer and personal dietician.", "With that lifestyle, I wouldn't even know what to spend my money on. Food is everything!", "Emo Phillips would like a word.", "You do get attention tho. I recently went full bold with kickass moustache and i have been getting alot of attention. This cute girl at work said i look like a drive a van and i was gassed cuz i dont even have a driving license.", "“I'd rather have the thieves than the neighbors - the thieves don't impose. Thieves just want your things, neighbors want your time. I'd rather give them things than time.”", "More time was spent discussing and apologizing for the choice of words, rather than on the context and humor behind what Larry was saying. What a shame. Also, I must say this question coming from Lauer is off-putting, knowing what we know about him now.", "They don’t know Who Jonhnny sins", "I think Chris Pratt had to gain weight before anyone would give him a role in comedy. Before he just looked like a jock so that's what he'd get.", "Get from a 2 to a 4. Sweet! Now just make me rich too and I'll have a chance.", "That hairline🤣", "My uncle is painfully shy. But when he does speak, it's almost always hilarious.", "Bald men List:\n\nKratos\nAgent 47\nJohnny Sins\nJason Statham\nMr. Clean\nStoneCold Steve Austin\nThe Rock\nVin Diesel\nTerry Crews\nLebron James (we all know he fake hair line )\nShaq", "Also need a decent tan. I shaved my head once, but I'm so white it just made me look deathly ill.", "'supplements' is referring to PEDs, the trainer and dieticians they get are a nice addition but the size Actors are able to put on in short time frames is down to the drugs their on at the end of the day.", "It definitely isn't.", "People use tinder for actual relationships?", "Also fully bald and politely disagree. \n\n\nI definitely get more attention wearing caps and beanies than showing off my dome. It's like night and day. \n\nHowever, there are more than enough women who are not shallow, so there's no need to feel bad about it.", "I wasn’t ready for that 😂", "You guys are tripping. I've gained and lost and gained again 70 pounds in the last 6 or 7 years and honestly it's simple as hell to get into shape or get incredibly out of it. It doesn't take any extremes, it just takes moderate habits sustained over a few months.", "You've chosen to shave your hair and that's a look you're cultivating in order to look fashionable, but we don't really consider you part of the bald community...with all due respect.", "No one shits on the attitude era", "Larry David is a national treasure and should be treated as such.", "I choked on my drink laughing, just there's something about the why he emphasizes \"BAWLED.... Asshole!\"", "Due to the body i would. But her appeal would drop significantly compared to any standard haircut", "There are some fine women who for some reason went bald and are still attractive body wise", "I knew reddit wouldnt like that i didnt find X attractive. I think everyone knows they're not attracted to X but saying it is a faux pas. I know type is generally considered unattractive as well.", "\"Look, it’s not that hard. All you need to do is lift weights six days a week, stop drinking alcohol, don’t eat anything after 7pm.\"\n\nDoing this is enough actually. You would look significantly better, and weightlifting doesn't really need to go past an hour every day. Especially if you're doing 6 days a week, or you'd overwork yourself. It would definitely benefit to have carbs and natural sugars to some extent.", "This is like showing pictures to men of super models with glasses on and then pictures of ugly and fat ones without them.\n\nHeadline reads: _Men prefer women with glasses 100% of the time over women without_", "Skullet or die", "how is shit still being censored?", "> an upright fucking rectangle\n\nThis had me rolling, thank you.", "\"Personal trainer and dietician\" A.K.A \"chicken, broccoli and rice\" A.K.A roids.", "Imagine Brock Lesnar with a shaved head.", "Chernobyl pattern baldness.", "Yup anyone who says that is a liar. Keeping your hair adds minimum +3 to good look rating out of ten. I'd drop 50,000 for a way to keep my natural juvenile hairline and hair.", "Did no one else see Larry say it and then when he asked it to be read again, immediately expect a second shot?", "Not rumor, there's a picture, it's real.", "Knew it'd be that before I clicked. Not disappointed.", "Fun fact. George costanza was written by Larry Davids. As being larry Davids in seinfeld.", "I for one, find bald men more attractive. No idea why, maybe to me it's something about bare skin. Not sure about dominance as I like to be in charge. 🤷‍♂️🤦‍♂️", "Longest reply saying nothing at all", "When I used to be in great shape I could just wear any slightly oversized shirt and it would look fine cause the muscle definition would fill it out.\n\nNow those types of shirts make me look like I’m wearing a bigger persons clothes. So easy to be too tight or too loose. I’d pay for a personal trainer before I’d pay to have my clothes tailored.", "Did you mean Demi Lovato? That’s not Demi, that’s her twin sister and icon Poot Lovato", "Ever plunginger", "Women are creatures of fashion and gender peer pressure\n\n30 years ago a bald head and growing a beard to compensate was pathetic and completely unattractive.\n\nNow its trending and women love it.\n\nIf you want to attract women, keep fashionable", "In theory everything can be adjusted. Some processes are harder than others.\n\nThe secret to adjusting is to unsow, cut and resow. Dress shirts, suits, etc. are designed to be easy to adjust. But you can do it with jeans. You can do it with polos, tshirts, etc. All you do is undo the stiches, cut, and the resew. Knitwear can be harder, but it's not impossible (I'm sure there's cases where it just isn't practical though).\n\nYou quickly learn to start looking for the core things that matter. These are simply the things that are really hard to adjust well. With a dress shirt you focus on the neck, making sure it's a good fit. With a coat you focus on the shoulders. With pants it matters most that they fit nicely into our waist/belly. It's ultimately the whole thing.\n\nMoreover many tailors will grab a shirt or such you give them, and the material, and they'll make a new one on exactly your size. Generally cheaper to buy one and get it adjusted, but sometimes, if you want a very very specific look, it's the only way to get it. Also you can get damaged pieces of a cloth replaced, sometimes it's not practical, as you won't get the exact color (even with the same fabric, they get washed at different rates, exposed to different amounts of sunlight over their light that create subtle, but notable, differences).", "Spaghetti and meatbalds", "Who is \"you\" in this situation? Buddy said upright rectangle shape. I gave an example.", "This mfker is an knighted telepathic cyborg spaceship captain, a fucking emperor, and a fucking dragon.\n\nAND he plays the baliset.\n\nSave some fucking trim for the rest of us... Damn...", "To be fair, he did respond with absolute confidence and dominance on his position.", "I've heard more men say Vin Diesel is hot than women.", "Those look like literally the two most popular men's haircuts. Especially the one on the right, that's \"a haircut\" at any barber in any of the western countries I've ever been. The left side isn't as common but it's certainly not unusual in any way.\n\nOr... Is that your point?", "I knew that would be Larry David's response before I even watched the vid", "Different brands have also different fit. Clearly if you get a free Tshirt at a fair it's going to look like a fabric bag with three holes. But decent tshirts come in comfortable/regular/slim/athletic fit.", "> You really think Larry would look better if he shaved his entire head????\n\nYes. Bald people, in my opinion, will always look better than baldING people. I hate looking at thin wisps of hair that are just floating there not doing anything. Like, yeah, a full head of hair looks great when it's washed and combed and styled, but there's nothing you can do to a half head of hair to make it look more appealing other than cutting it all off. I used to have great hair, and the moment it started thinning, I shaved it all off, and I think I look much better with a completely bald head than I did with thinning hair. Especially the length Larry has it in this clip, it looks awful, even if he buzzed it down to a 1 or a 2 it would look much better.", "All these that you mentioned come in different \"fits\" if you buy a decent brand. Usually going from comfortable to regular to slim to athletic depending on the waist to shoulder ratio. That's already a good starting point.", "[the picture doesn't do the bad hair choice justice... I recommend you watch this clip](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKvzmG4HhOA)\n \nif you think extreme greying on the sides and completely black on the top is a normal hair choice then so be it but I want to know what fantasy world you live in... notice we're talking about hair choices right?", "You can get anything tailored, the cost will vary though. I had a leather motorcycle suit tailored, it was my dads old one, very good quality, was 250€ to get it done but still cheaper than a new suit which have been around 800€ with similar quality. Also, when in University i tailored a winter parka for myself, got a sewing machine off of eBay and tailored the waist. Ended up taking away a couple cm too much... but yea, you can get anything tailored.", "I mean, yeah. Her portrayal of Valeris made pointed ears and bangs look like centerfold material. I'm talking pon farr inducing....", "Wow I never knew this! - Nobody ever", "Females are powerless to science!", "So you associate it with Nazis (even though the Nazis didn't shave their heads...Neo-nazis did) and then ask how it was ruined? \n\nIt was ruined by the look becoming so heavily associated with Neo-nazis or, as many people in America refer to them, skinheads. The two words are essentially synonyms for many.", "Imagine you can't say \"shit\" on TV because someone might be offended by a word..\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u\\_QtbFR9me4", "As much as they want to go away from the bald guy....the testosterone brings them in. They are powerless. Especially if he has a pulsing neck vain!", "I disagree with the only exception being extremely masculine men like the Rock. Being bald strengthens the overall asthetic that they are putting out as the tough guy.\n\nAny other look be it cool surfer guy, clean cut professional, scholarly professor, beautiful high fashion icon they all will benefit from hair styled to fit that look.\n\nIn my opinion shaved bald IS the look for the masculine tough guy. What other cut would you wear to high light it more? In the old days I would say the greaser slicked back look, but basically no one wears that at all now.", "More dominant=more attractive.\nMakes sense from an evolutionary perspective, even if it offend some egalitarian sensibilities.", "They may not count, but it's one of my three wishes for the Genie.", "False", "Larry absolutely killing everyone on that set lmao", "If you look better than ill suited Brad Pitt half the time, that’s a huge W in my book", "Sometimes science is a liar.", "It's a quote from Mac when he got jacked for Its Always Sunny in Philadelphia...", "It's a quote from Rob McElleney from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia regarding getting jacked for a season...", "Oh. Well, whatever.", "Sure, but it still doesnt make \"shit\" a word that needs an NSFW tag on reddit.", "OKCupid also skews male, why did you think it wouldn't?\n\nDating apps aren't reflective of reality either", "[Maybe one day we’ll return to the one true best hairstyle](https://i.imgur.com/vaUY2rT.jpg)", " I watched it. I really don't get your point. It's a completely normal haircut. Have you ever seen old photos of Colin Farrell before? He's had pretty much that same haircut for 30 years. Shaved sides longer top. The biggest difference is that he's old now and the sides are greying a bit. \nOnce you shave any part of the head it will look lighter than the long bits coupled with the sides mostly grey before the top. Look at him in fantastic beasts. Pretty much exactly the same look.", ">notice we're talking about hair choices right? \n\nOk you're an idiot. You obviously are incapable of understanding the conversation. \n\n \nI'm not going to read anything more you have to say, bye bye.", "I started balding at 23, so I'm thankful for this.", "Nothings gonna stop us now", "It’s just David, not Davids.", "I mean you don't have to do most of that. You just have to lift like 6 hours a week. If you're lifting more than 10 hours a week (and properly pushing yourself in those hours) you're going to be overtraining without steroids. You don't need to worry too much about what you're eating when you're bulking so long as you get enough protein and are eating 300 or so calories over your TDEE. And you don't need to focus too much on cardio when cutting because cutting too drastically causes more muscle loss. \n\nSo many excuses as to why you don't have a decent body. It's just a hobby for most people who lift, you don't have to have the same hobby it's fine.", "No. You can learn everything you need in a few weeks of lifting if you take it seriously. You only need a trainer (or more likely coach) if you're doing it professionally.", "How? Most things that fit my upper body have way too much fabric around the lower body.", "I always say the same thing about women with short hair. An attractive woman with short hair isn’t attractive BECAUSE OF her short hair but rather in spite of it. She’s be even hotter with long hair. \n\nNever a popular opinion on Reddit for some reason. Also, when I say “short hair” I don’t mean shoulder length, I mean no amount of hang whatsoever.", "Holy fuck. I actually wrote a reply saying you seemed like a bit of a cunt then deleted it because it seemed harsh at the time. That was a mistake in hindsight.", "did I hurt your feelings? \n \nrofl I pwned you snowflake, welcome to the Internet kiddo", "Larry would not consider you a bald man!", "Here you [go] (https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/97d63cf8-33fa-484d-be63-76be65bd1f44/scale-to-width/755), no need to imagine.", "I met my fiance on tinder. First person I met with too.", "Only after he covered up that bald chin.", "Admittedly, Fester has an awesome family. Who apparently have vast social circles that include many people attracted to... unconventional looks.", "Although there are multiple 'hard' looks achievable with baldness. Action-hero bald, sports sensation bald, big tough guy bald, tall skinny humorless guy bald... I kind of get the feeling there's some kind of cultural trope for short, jacked, bald, and too much energy, too, but I can't recall it at the moment.", "Pretty sure that guy on the front stole everyone's hair for himself. Or he's a werewolf and when he turns back to human his hair stays the same amount, just migrates north.", "Seriously!? That language is NSFW? What a crock of shit!", "What the hell are you even talking about? Incel niceguy chud? What? \n\n\ntraditional values of attractiveness = standards for the average person. Since you have trouble getting women in your circle to make the first move, since you say you don't make the first move (bad idea, but hey), then you should probably broaden your spectrum of standards and see people you wouldn't normally see. Looks are definitely not everything... Arguing on Reddit won't help either. \n\n\nPlenty of bald men get play around the world, it's more the people suffering from shrinkage that have some trouble.", "Right?! Who the fuck kind of cunt would actually be offended by the word shit?!", "BOJJAT LOK", "Yes you can. Sweaters are sometimes more difficult but a good tailor will be able to alter almost any item of clothing. I've had wax jackets, jeans, sweaters and long sleeves t shirts altered. I will say with suits altering the shoulders will often cost more than an off the peg suit as you're basically rebuilding the jacket but most alterations are surprisingly affordable and can make an item of clothing look many times more expensive than it's off the peg price tag.", "[Sometimes it's all the other notes too](https://youtu.be/XR9d4ESlpHY)", "Men who are “balding” and still have hair oh the sides, simply haven’t come to terms with going bald yet.\n\nSource: me, started going bald at 17, tried all those “keep your hair” places.\n\nEnded up saying fuck it and now i shave it all once a week.", "It helps to also have a well shaped head.", "😂😂😂😂😂", "I am actually, I'm 25 and have a receding hairline as a transwoman, which is quite annoying as you can expect (women tend to have a lot more hair than that), and I'm looking into hair transplants for this reason, so I know how awful it is to experience.\n\nMy point is that I've never had random people point it out to me like I've seen online. You see a random baldin man posting a selfie, and people jump on him to fully shave his head because if you do not have a perfect hairline then you must get rid of all your hair, which is a stupid-ass narrative that gets spread way too much around here.\n\nNot everyone looks good bald, receding hairlines aren't a deal killer (depends on how you take care of yourself), and hair pieces should be much more accessible socially.", "I'm 25, I have been balding for a few years now, my point is that the obsession with shaving everything at the slightest sign of balding is very internet-focused, and stupid at that.\n\nNot everyone has the head shape and/or facial hair to go along with a fully shaved head.", "No bullshit, there is a philosophy that helped me get jacked without being a meat headed dork. It is called being a Supple Leopard. It was introduced to me by a Navy SEAL and I read up and pursued it. So worth it - I feel like a weapon sometimes. \nhttps://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Supple-Leopard-Preventing-Performance/dp/1936608588", "It's a video called flight of the Phoenix", "Having done so at 19 I can say the opposite is true far more often and you get ghosted or looked at weird, plus the constant comments", "Young Gandhi was a smokeshow tho", "That quote is probably from an interview then, not the show, which is a bit of an obscure reference to expect people to get. \n\nRob looks great btw, but he also did that in like six months. You can do that at a much tamer pace and look like that if you're willing to do it over two years.", "Yeah that's what stood out to me the most. Surprised it's not the top comment. But I bet most Redditors don't even know who Matt Laurer is. Should make any comeback attempt easy!", "Bingo", "I guess it's not NSFW if you live on the east coast", "fambly", "WHO KEEPS SHITTING IN ALL OUR CROCKS", "Patrick Stewart doesn’t age.", "in 2021 the internet is slowly being scrubbed and sanded of all its hard edges into a PG-13 experience. it's becoming common to see screenshots of tweets where someone has blacked out the word \"shit\". i don't wanna sound like those old people who say this generation is a bunch of pussies but, what the fuck", "the internet isn't subject to those rules", "maybe don't watch reddit videos with the sound on in the office where other people can hear", "i avoid this issue by simply not screwing around on the internet with my speakers turned up at work \n\ni screw around on the internet with headphones on and using my laptop monitor so people can't see like a normal person", "being a hot guy is definitely living life on easy mode compared to being conventionally unattractive but i have personally dated (and married!) above my pay grade because i'm funny and sociable. you can't spend your whole life thinking you're totally fucked just because you don't have a perfect head of hair", "u/nwordcountbot u/can_u_pm_ur_tits_plz", "bald man = bad man", "Study may be biased... here is a picture of the CEO of University of Pennsylvania's Hospital... https://www.pennmedicine.org/about/leadership-and-organization/meet-our-ceo", "Inappropriate sexual behavior is not rape. You can't just make up your own definition of a word.", "Na i just don't give a shit. I dont feel like shaving all the time, I don't care if your eyes bleed out of your head looking at me.", "This is called laziness.\n\nWhich is equally offputting.", "Yes. And good.", "Language!!", "Depending on the level of rich and the person you're trying to attract, rich is potentially an automatic 10. So there's always hope!", "I think most people would not rate me as excessively attractive. But I’m totally bald and have tons of confidence. I don’t worry about stuff like what my hair is like.", "I'm in my late 30s, I stopped shaving my head. I keep my hair clipped short some of the time, other times I let my thin hair do what it do.", "It’s good for your health to stay in shape anyways. Don’t sweat the work", "Apply directly to the forehead.", "And you’re saying he did all that _despite being bald_?", "It would be great to normalize any hair style for balding men other than completely shaved. People shouldn't be shamed for things out of their control.", "Fun fact yes", "Oh hey it's creepy desk button matt", "You’re right. When I see a balding man that doesn’t shave his head, I beat the living hell out of him.", "Yupp. \nSimilarly absurd: overt violence in movies/games is associated with far lower PG ratings than is nudity/sex. \nSex is normal. Sex is everyday business. Sex is something that any average person will be and wishes to be exposed to. \nViolence, however, is not.", "Well fair enough, but my whole point is it is within their control. Because shaving it all is taking control in my estimation.\n\nBalding is normal. The question here is what is attractive.", "Kind of unfortunate that shaving your head didn't make you less insecure on the internet. Not sure how to fix that one.", "Step 1. Be really attractive\nStep 2. Don't be a midget", ">Balding is normal\n\nI think that last part needs to be emphasized more. Going bald is out of your control, but what you do afterwards is in your control. \n\n>The question here is what is attractive.\n\nYou are correct, and right now shaving your head is more attractive than letting it grow wild for sure. My hope is that in the future, beauty standards will change to normalize more hair styles for bald people other than shaving. Picard with his cul-de-sac in my opinion was equally as attractive as Picard with the full shave. That should be normalized.", "Uh, yeah? I used Hinge and Bumble though, I didn't care for Tinder.", "See my first thought was holy shit they’ve brought Matt Lauer back?", "I shaved my head because I was balding, is that the same?", "Load of shit got real", "\"Snowflake calls normal human, \"Snowflake\".\"", "OKAYYYY", "Eh... IDK... Patrick Stewart was the epitome of dignity and always looked amazing bald.... TNG ran from 87 to 94 - and that was one of th emost popular shows on television.", "Counterexample: Patrick Stewart", "you sound triggered, ha", "Is this old or is Matt Lauer back on TV?", "Bald… not bald-ing. Shave that shit.", "Yeah we can", "I was just being playful. Geez, we are talking about a Larry David clip joking about balding, right? I went bald, I had thoughts from my experience, I shared them. \n\nI’m surprised to have hit a nerve.", "This is why I dont read Reddit at work.", "I actually think there is a charm to a cul-de_sac. When I said gross hair graveyard I was really mostly referring to people that keep the wasteland up to top and try to keep that going. I did that for too long. But yeah, the sides and back are significantly harder to shave in my experience.", "“What a crock of shit…Matt, if that was true, you wouldn’t need that little rapey door lock button on your office desk”", "“Crock of shit” is not safe for work language and not allowed on US tv? Loool what a fucking joke, it’s probably the same in Saudi Arabia.", "A recent study shows that 98.3% of reported statistics are fake.", "Terry getting ones that fit well, and pay attention to how textures and colours work with each other.", "Wife of a bald man (he started going bald in his twenties, he shaves fully now) and I gotta say, very hard agree with the assessment. But you gotta keep your other shit up, too. And moisturize. (And a beard helps) Love love love his bald head. And when the sides are growing in all prickly like a five o'clock shadow shivers", "I think you can't really tell how old a bald guy is. Picard stayed the same age forever then turned old overnight.", "But he's also had a show on HBO for 20 years, in which there is swearing.", "It’s a deceptively easy mistake to make.", "I see you have beautifully missed the point and fixated on the wrong thing", "who cares.............", "Fan fact, you missed out the part where he says: \"And you go to your physician 2 to 3 times a week just to monitor all your testosterone levels, ‘cos testosterone is important to building muscle.\"\n\nhttps://barbend.com/rob-mcelhenney-transformation/\n\nWhich is basically code for \"take Testosterone or any other steroid that gets prescribed by the doctors who are appointed to you to get fit for a role\", because people who don't take any steroids don't have the need to go check whats their testosterone level every couple days...\n\nAlso that quote was in reference to how to go from fat tub of icecream to Jacked superhero physique in 6 months, which he did for his role, you can get a great physique in a couple years if you follow what you wrote, but if you want to do it in 6 months like most hollywood celebrity do you take steroids, plain and simple. \n\nThat quote is the most any actor ever admitted it, since being more transparent means losing tons of roles and money.\n\nSad world we live in where young guys see jacked as fuck dudes in any media, be it movies or social media, but get discouraged when after 6 months of training and dieiting they barely look like they lift.", "The parts he forgot to mentioned..\n\nIf these bald men had names like Jason Stratham or Dwyane Johnson. Maybe Vin Diesel..", "Try a key on your arm. They're made of zinc-coated brass and have no ferrous metals in them. If it sticks anyway, you're super-magnetic.", "As a man who shaves my head every few days, Jason Statham is indeed the look I am trying for", "Jarl Varj has entered the conversation", "God only made a few good heads.\n\nThen he put hair on the rest of them", "Patrick Stewart has entered the chat.", "Ooh that's clever, I'm surprised I've never seen that one before.", "There's a difference between saying \"_____ people are all ugly\" compared to \"I'm not really attracted to ____ people\".\n\nI'm of average height. I don't get offended when someone says I'm not attracted to shorter guys because I'm not attracted to girls that are 6'3. That doesn't mean they're not hot they just don't do it for me. \n\nWe're getting to the point where people will get offended if you don't like the same food as them. Woah you don't like pasta? That's messed up because I love pasta and I need to be validated by other people on my interests!", "Well anecdotally\n\nIf I’m walking down the street and see a bald guy \n\nI automatically just assume he could kick my ass if he wanted lol", "> since you say you don't make the first move (bad idea, but hey)\n\nBecause it can backfire spectacularly? Why should it be the guy's responsibility to always respond first? And I'm hardly arguing, I'm just refuting why you're wildly out of touch with reality. If anything, I'm doing you a favor.", "Says the RAPIST.", "not everyone has that ability. One job I had would fire you for wearing headphones. Another would fire you for using your computer for non-work related issues. And their IT department would not hesitate. So you do you boo. The world is bigger than your own experience and in this instance, your \"it works for me\" is meaningless because it only takes one to prove you wrong. Good luck with your future, but you go right on ahead and fuck off now. Thanks.", "God I hate that fucking lemon head Matt Lauer. And i don't give a shit if that's how his name is spelled or not fuck that jabroni in his ear.", "You never turn your back on Family^^TM", "I can see exactly why you're single lmao", "Instagram", "I think its a bit of a stretch to catch that reference, although admittedly I am familiar with his quotes on getting big for the fat season", "I find bald men scary", "I wanted to shave my head. I'm pretty much bald anyway. My wife said, \"Don't. You'll look like a dick with ears.\"", "Oftentimes they clamp the back of the shirt such that it looks very tailored to that specific mannequin's body. \n\nProtip: buy clothes that fit you (or tailor them to fit you) and not ones that fit the mannequin.", "Is the Ok handsign still cool? That one was dicey for a while, but I love that gesture.", "And the pencil stash and the salute... done for.\n\nAsia holds tight to their swastika though, so there is hope that they can maintain it as a symbol of peace.", "Only if you’re jacked beyond belief", "I mean, if I was rich enough to have a panel of doctors monitor and administer a set of drugs that would make me look and feel awesome, I'd do it too", "Pretty sure LeBron got plugs", "I think trash bags are still making it not the greatest sign but if you are with friends that know you would never use it to mean \"white power\" then I don't see any harm in using it to mean a-ok with them. Just probably don't want to do it in public because someone could see and have no idea how you are using it.", "how is this a defense of putting NSFW tags on reddit posts lmao. if your shitty job will can you for screwing around online then don't screw around online. tagging a video because it has the word SHIT in it won't help you", "Got dayum.", "I think one of the main characters from The Eternals posted something similar. It was a promo shot of him being insanely cut, and his comment was something like “to get this look, hate everything you eat and don’t drink water for three days.\n\nEDIT: Found it: https://www.boredpanda.com/kumail-nanjiani-ripped-muscles-photos-explanation/?utm\\_source=google&utm\\_medium=organic&utm\\_campaign=organic", "I'm just not obsessed with nazis and recognise that minor fashion and grooming decisions that anyone might make at some point in their life doesn't throw my perception of them into overdrive. \n\nI saw a guy with a pencil moustache the other day. I didn't immediately think he was a nazi. Probably some artsy writer.", "How do you think he became bald?", "Yeah agreed. I don't believe someone would genuinely say you need to exercise 6 days a week and eat nothing nice unless they really haven't taken the opportunity to look after themselves before.\nYou can look very good from generally eating well and exercising 2-3 days a week. If you're overweight then you need to eat small for a long time. You must pay the price for your sins. But when you reach your goal weight you just eat regularly.\n\nWhen you are gaining muscle you are basically going from a small motor to a big motor. The more muscles you have the more you can eat too! That's part of the great thing about being strong, your weight is much easier to maintain.", "I 100% disagree and I assure you neither of us are correct in this\n\nIt’s obviously a subjective opinion with CERTAIN balding people\n\nBut if you truly think people like Jason Alexander and Larry David would look BETTER with a completely bald head, I feel you all are nuts lol \n\nLike everyone has already established, the only bald ppl that look good, are ALREADY GOOD LOOKING PPL \n\nLarry and Jason would look like albino hippopotamus’ or some shit without that “whisp” lol", "Wow I never knew this!", "No, it is literally NOT an incel rant lmao…\n\nBut of course a person of your progressive thinking wouldn’t know that since you simply stalked my profile and cherry picked a comment to LITERALLY, just like I PREDICTED, TWIST THE NARRATIVE lol….\n\nYou’re a joke", "Yes if I had a mind filled with Instagram liberal media nonsense I wouldn’t understand what I just said either 😉 \n\nIt’s cool\n\nSave my reply n hmu n 4 years 😉", ">No, it is literally NOT an incel rant lmao…\n\nYou also said you didn't know what an incel is when you did - and are too stupid to know how easy it would be to confirm. So I don't think you have the brainpower needed to know what is and isn't an incel rant, bro.", "> John Leguizamo is another one.\n\n[THE PEST LIVES](https://youtu.be/cAB8dNMoXZ0?t=43)", "Brother of Mario Mario", "Yeah, but I was thinking of the episode where George got a toupee and he looked so much better. Everyone in the show made fun of him for wearing it though. It's like, support your friend, he looks so much better.", "Until they've been in the marriage long enough and decide to \"cash out\", divorce, and take half your shit. Then you might as well be a 0.", "> support your friend\n\n\"No hugging, no learning.\"", "Oh my God, this is my favorite new reddit profile. You are the most unhinged individual I've ever encountered.", "Something about attracting bees applies more honey to self", "I think smartness can be enhanced by baldness\n\nI think fitness can be enhanced by baldness\n\nI think badassness can be enhanced by baldness\n\nI think opposite of vainness can be enhanced by baldness\n\nI think fatherly comfortable safeness can be enhanced by baldness\n\nThere are more people in the world than fucking vin diesel and your bald fat uncle lol", "I smell bs", "Better quality\n\nhttps://youtu.be/gewCfeok0e4", "Just informing you. But, I caught it...", "Here goes...", "Project much?", "Yeah he is also very well known in the fitness community for this transformation, at 43 years he went from the physique he had in Silicon valley, to the physique he has now for The Eternals... and he did that in 1 year, at 43years old...", "For science. https://youtu.be/8Nvo_FjvW_0", "Only on broadcast TV. Anything that can be received freely on the open air has different rules.", "Yes, that doesn't mean it isn't a stretch tho. Rob McElhenney is a pretty normal guy. That's not clearly a reference the way Devito goes into character during interviews. Even people who like the show won't recognize every quote from social media from them, I'm sure if I combed through Charlie Day's quotes from 3 years ago I'd find one you didn't recognize but I do.", "I actually had some of my facts wrong. The guy from Eternals had the same message (it's not realistic for most people), but the whole \"eat food you hate and dehydrate yourself\" was from R.McElhenney (from the other quote you posted about testosterone levels, etc).", "What a coincidence....", "Just thought I'd ask, has \"combover\" taken on an entirely new meaning? Because as you know a combover is when one side grown longer and swept over to cover the baldness. \n\nI haven't seen older guys doing this anymore, much less young guys wth thinning hair doing it. Does it now refer to young guys keeping their thinning hair and/or combing it back/parting it or what is it?", "i agree with you on that!!\n\nWhat I meant by my flippant response was, i'm 29 and so is my friend group, and every time we catch up at the pub, it's always a topic of conversation now. It's on all our minds because most of us only started losing it around 25-27. It wasn't even on our radars under 25.\n\nbut I 100% agree there's way too much emphasis on shaving. personally i'd be happy to keep a thinning head, [this far](https://newsfinale.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/prince-harrys-hair-is-thinning-on-top-expert-says.jpg) and further, but once there's really nothing left, i'm not doing sides-with-no-top.", "I saw this and thought of you buddy. https://v.redd.it/euw7wupp61w71\n\nThanks for being good-natured and taking a joke gracefully, stranger.", "Well most of us in our society would be totally comfortable becoming this way as long as we made a bunch of money. I’m getting really burnt out on it all. Clearly this type of shit isn’t healthy, but it’s where we are. I want to be somewhere else.", "I have mixed feelings on it. He is just saying that cuz he is bald.", "That's exactly how he knows the study is bs. I'm not even bald but when I buzz my hair it's like I become invisible to 50% of the population, I'm telling you it's almost like a superpower but in a bad way.", "always amazes me how americans react to someone uses foul language on tv, lmao the reaction of the people tho.", "Wow I never knew this!", "https://t.me/joinchat/xG06Z_gLfWpmYjc5", "urlwee.com/tiqwlf1", "lol he's missing the point entirely. he's not even bald, hes still holding on to hair. but this study probably isnt talking about men in their 60's either.\n\nGo look at a bald gym rat and tell me if he looks more dominate than the haired lifters at the gym.", "NICE PORNOS:https://discord.gg/Z9FmpnUS", "Jonah's pretty handsome these days I think", "4 free nudes join https://discord.gg/3Mv73Ynu", "Men who have hair on the sides have come to terms with it. They are embracing it more than men who have shaved it all off to me that tells me they are trying to hide the fact they are balding by cutting it all off the guy who leaves it on the sides is letting people know he doesn't give a fuck." ]	1,240	videos	Larry David evaluates a study that concluded women prefer bald men to those with hair (language NSFW)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-OJdWvZxBM	/r/videos/comments/qfj3gw/miley_cyrus_and_joe_rogan_meme/	[ "Wtf did I just watch... better question, why did I watch it?", "Did he really do that after that answer or is it editing?", "Edit" ]	3	videos	miley cyrus and joe rogan [meme]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl3cWWHM-SM	/r/videos/comments/qfj6hd/oneyplays_animated_mr_bean_in_a_whole_foods_gag/	[ "Awesome liked it! 👍", "Oh my god is this punishing. It reminds me of the old days in the 90s when flash animators thought everyone wanted to hear what their idiot friends had to say.", "Well a lot do considering their subs", "I've never heard of them, but I get the same incredulous looks when I tell my mom I've never heard of X, Y, and Z beauty bloggers with a billion paid Chinese bot subs. \n\nOut of context, not knowing who these guys are or what the fuck they're going on about, it was not funny. It was actually kind of a mess and made very little sense.", "Fair enough I can understand that", "I appreciate that, and I think I know why it was so disappointing; high-production-value stuff like this (because the animation is actually fairly nice in that Shmorky way) should be made to reach out to new fans, draw them in, make them seek more of your stuff out, and I definitely wasn't converted. \n\nI think this is the mistake PewDiePie made, aside from his nazi sympathies: He assumed everyone was already his fan and always led with deep-cut bits people like me could not possibly care about. Then by the time we did hear about him, he was... not worth listening to." ]	6	videos	OneyPlays Animated - "Mr. Bean in a Whole Foods" gag
https://youtu.be/rj6JOKrL_vg	/r/videos/comments/qfjhdn/nestlé_the_most_evil_business_in_the_world/	[ "Its almost impossible to get away from them too, I abstain from buying nestle products Going as far as to look up companies and sub companies on labels. Holy shit does it trim down the list at my grocery store. Though luckily now that i live in a town with an Aldi's I can get imported more items from the EU.", "german LIDL discounters do no longer sell nestlé tablewater. great decision.", "Whether it's Nestle, Facebook or [Big Oil](https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Koch_Network) - meaningful regulation will always be out of reach so long as they are in our politician's pockets. https://youtu.be/TfQij4aQq1k?t=68\n\nThe system must change - or else we will continue this political power [auction](https://youtu.be/Hy9_fsL6uS8) cycle: election after election, year after year, bill after bill - while [our tax dollars](https://archive.ph/acavi) are getting flushed into to [corporate socialism](https://www.propublica.org/article/how-the-coronavirus-bailout-repeats-2008s-mistakes-huge-corporate-payoffs-with-little-accountability) instead of benefiting us. Those [tax breaks](https://www.investopedia.com/taxes/trumps-tax-reform-plan-explained/#those-who-benefit) Republican lawmakers promise are only given to big corporations, executives and shareholders.\n\n\nThe separation of [Wealth](https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/) and State is the greatest challenge of the century. Stopping the influence of big money in Congress has [over 80%](https://archive.md/eCMBy) of the public's support while the specific policies included in the For The People Act (H. R. 1) have [bipartisan popular support](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act#Public_opinion). Unlike their voting constituency, zero Republican senators are in favor of H. R. 1, and this has been par for the course. \n \n\nThere is some good news: [legislation](https://anticorruptionact.org/whats-in-the-act/) that effectively prevents political corruption exists and is [constitutional](https://anticorruptionact.org/faq/). It would be best served as an [amendment](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_finance_reform_amendment) via [Article V](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Five_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Procedures_for_amending_the_Constitution), but local change is possible and has been [done](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Anti-Corruption_Act#Laws_based_on_the_AACA). That's how you [SEND](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-pace-of-social-change/) ideas to federal Congress and [prod them](https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Congressional+Research+Service%22+%22prodding+effect%E2%80%9D) to make changes. \n\nA few groups are pushing to make federal lawmakers accountable to the people again:\n\nhttps://represent.us/\n\nhttps://takeback.org/ \n\nhttps://wolf-pac.com/ \n\nhttps://americanpromise.net/\n\nhttps://www.issueone.org/ \n\nhttps://www.movetoamend.org/\n\nhttps://indivisible.org/\n\nYou can join up with a local chapter and push for the [Anti-Corruption Act](https://anticorruptionact.org/whats-in-the-act/), transparency and accountability in your city. It's never been easier to [get organized](https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/11/thanksgiving-organizing-activism-friends-family-conversation-presidential-election) with others and stay on top of [your lawmakers](https://openstates.org/find_your_legislator/) with weekly [calls](https://youtu.be/XdIcCqe-iYk?t=48) & emails along with informing & encouraging friends and neighbors do the same.\n\nThey are even tools that make it TOO EASY: \n\nhttps://americanpromise.net/take-action/contact-your-elected-official/\n\nhttps://citizensclimatelobby.org/write-your-representative/\n\nVoting is the bare minimum of democratic participation. Never stop voting, but consider that even without deep pockets you can do so much more.", "Fuck Nestlé, all my homies hate Nestlé", "Haven’t purchased anything nestle in years. Fuck em", "It's not a bad thing in itself, but it should not be up to other companies to regulate Nestlé or other big monopolies.", "Its not just Nestle. Keep that in mind, be angry but keep it in your head that 95% of corporations are like this and they absolutely OWN our government. Every politician and unelected official have pretty much been bought. No amount of voting, even if it crossed party lines and had unanimous support will change anything. They do not answer to us anymore. They answer to pepsi co, coke, nestle, etc.", "It is hard, you pretty much have to buy everything raw. If its processed, a corporation like Nestle has touched it.", "They just changed the cheerios recipe in my country to contain more sugar. \nWHAT THE FUCK!?", "lol the filthy american gov? really? the least trustworthy outfit out there", "This is why \"We don't need regulation, consumers can vote with their wallets\" is bullshit.\n\nEvery consumer doesn't have time to do the research, supply chains are obfuscated, spending budgets vary and sometimes the product alternatives don't even exist.\n\nIt was never about consumer empowerment it was about supporting ineffectual solutions.", "Crazy Idea: Let's hold a bracket, NCAA style to discover the world's most evil company. Throw in 64 teams from Exxon to Amazon and have redditors vote on each matchup until we get the winner.", "Don't worry. It's Heart Healthy....", "Those little moments where you feel your blood stop moving are called \"freedom hiccups\". You'll get used to them. 😎🇺🇲", "People have done that before. No one actually cares about the results.", "Monsanto begs to differ", "Have boycotted nestlé for the last few years and honestly it wasnt that hard when theres so many other options for everything they have their hand in. Yeah, it sucks that i cant eat Munchies anymore but cutting junkfood like that out of my life has been entirely beneficial for my health too.", "[https://www.nestle.com/brands/brandssearchlist](https://www.nestle.com/brands/brandssearchlist)\n\nHaägen-Dazs was a supprise for me.", "Spokesperson during the trial sounds like a rat.", "I'm pretty sure the Saudi gov is less trustworthy. And about 180 other countries'", "Been done to death. Redditor's opinion hardly matches reality and is subject to the latest news or fad.", "/r/FuckNestle", "Being the pig with the least mud on it does not make it clean", "[This Wiki page](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestl%C3%A9_brands)\n is good for some of the brands they own in other countries too. The only thing they got me on are L'Oreal products, but at least they're only a minority shareholder.", "Dude needs to learn the pronunciation difference between “cocoa” and “coca.”", "You will starve by being this picky. And he didn't say \"bad\", he said \"the least trustworthy\". Least.", "Bayer has entered the chat.", "Bayer is worse. (They own/bought Monsanto)", "Oh man . Many People say they hate Nestle. But love Kitkat, Maggi etc.", "Seriously. Yes, America's not perfect. But it's a hell of a lot better than a lot of other countries. Not saying things shouldn't change, but talk to anyone who risks imprisonment/death via immigrating to America and tell them how horrible it is.\n\nAgain, America certainly isn't perfect, but pretending it's one of the worst countries out there is laughable.", "I think it's a counter-reaction to a sizable proportion of the population that literally worships the flag and religiously believes that their country is unconditionally the best, because that's where democracy and freedom have been invented. Or something.\n\nAnd I can't say that it's wrong to have this counter-reaction, because the worshippers are completely immune to a balanced approach (disregarding criticism and quoting every praise to prove that you support them unequivocally), the only way to make them budge is to totally oppose every single one of their theses.", "Exactly, big corporations run the show and the government answers to them. Its scary to think about", "It's very similar to cable. You can't vote with your wallets when there are only 2 or 3 choices, all of which exist to suck as much profits out of you, or have dubious claims to their products that inherently harm many while helping a few.", "Damn, I've been buying purina for years. Had no idea they were a nestle company :/", "Agreed, I know some people who vehemently believe America is the best country, and it's as laughable as thinking it's the worst. \n\nHonestly, I have no idea, but I can tell you America's certainly not the best, hell, I don't even know if it's the best at anything in particular. America's made plenty of mistakes, we're making some now, and I'm near 100% positive we'll keep making more in the future. America's also had amazing successes in the past, we have some now, and I'm sure we'll keep having some in the future. All in all, shit's too complicated to settle for \"best\" or \"worst\", I don't even think you could really find an either or overall. Sure there's countries who do rank lowest in certain aspects, as well as ones that rank highest. Boiling all that stuff down to \"best/worst\" is incredibly dumb though, life is simply more complicated than that.", "And right behind them is Johnson And Johnson....", "I’ve seen the same kind of videos for the last 15 years but nothing has changed in that time so it leads me to believe that unchallenged corporatism is our future. They’re able to take responsibility off individuals and place it on a corporation which in the modern world seem untouchable. corruption of government officials is still not taken seriously by humanity overall either", "Fuck, stouffers is on the list.", "Yeah, Nestle isn't unique. Corporations are like machines designed to milk every ounce of profit out of something and push management/employees to make profit centered decisions that can be immoral/illegal at times. The management/employees that made the decisions that got Nestle labeled as evil probably don't even work there anymore and these same decisions could've happened under really any corporation out there. No company will shy from promoting excessive use of an unhealthy product to the public (cigarettes, soda, sugary foods, etc) as long as there's profits to be had. Nestle promoting baby formula over breastmilk is completely in line with what any corporation would do to promote their product. \n\nThat's why the whole \"Nestle is evil\" label is kinda odd to me because the whole capitalist corporate system is set up like this and Nestle is not unique when it comes to that. If anything, it should be \"the capitalist corporate model promotes and rewards evil if there are profits to be had from said evil.\"", "Meh, plenty of other candy bars out there.", "It's very upsetting when you find out just how many delicious pies they finger with their devil-claws. It's really hard work boycotting them.", "I agree with everything, but\n\n>Boiling all that stuff down to \"best/worst\" is incredibly dumb though, life is simply more complicated than that.\n\nI am of opinion that if not the majority, then a SIZABLE chunk of the global population has its hands full enough with day-to-day stuff to interpret politics and social dynamics through anything but a prism of the best/worst dichotomy.", "It's not just Nestle, but Nestle is still particularly evil.\n\nAlso, I should note that your comment seems like it's designed to create paralysis and inaction:\n\n> No amount of voting, even if it crossed party lines and had unanimous support will change anything.\n\nThis sort of \"all politicians are the same\" comment is disingenuous and only serves to keep things the way they are now. You can argue up and down that Democrats are far from perfect, and they absolutely are. But the last four years has unquestionably demonstrated that they are far better than the alternative.\n\nAdditionally, it bears mention that the more you vote for left-leaning politicians, the more you push the Overton window to the left - right-wing politicians feel obligated to moderate their stances on issues, and left-wing politicians are emboldened to push further left. Failing to do this causes the opposite to happen - left-wing politicians do not feel they have enough support to enact more left-leaning policies, and right-wing politicians feel emboldened to push more right-leaning policies than they otherwise would.\n\nSo all of your \"don't vote\" bullshit only serves to dissuade the people we most need to vote - those who actually care about these issues and want corporations like Nestle to be reined in. Because of this, your comment only serves to support corporations like Nestle, despite that you nominally seem to support the complaints about them.", "I did Nazi that coming.", "I guess. It's one thing to say it offhand, but another to honestly 100% believe that one country is simply the best. At least recognizing or understanding that there's a little more nuance than that. Sorta like how someone will say \"x\" is the best flavor. Yeah, they understand others might like different flavors, and they know they're not scientifically stating that 'x\" is 100% measured to be better than anything else. They just like \"x\".\n\nI don't know. If someone 100% believes some country is literally hands down the best, over every other single country in the world, they're an idiot. Not being able to recognize/understand that life is a bit more complicated than that isn't rocket appliances, many kids can at least recognize that shit gets complicated.", "If you say your country isn't the best, then it means some other one is the best and thus you're a TRAITOR!\n\nactivates stun baton", "Sorry Officer, glory to Aristozka!!!!", "I've never heard Galactic Empire being called that, but I guess it works.\n\nnervously clutches cobrastani second citizenship card", "your hydro homies?", "Their logo is actually on the Stouffers packaging so they aren't even hiding it.", "lol same reaction here", "If you're buying supplements/vitamins, Nestle just made a huge power move during the pandemic. Over 5B in acquisitions of these brands: \n\n* Nature's Bounty (2021)\n* Vital Proteins (2020)\n* Nuun (2021)\n* Solgar (2021)\n* Puritans Pride (2021)\n* Nuun (2021)\n* Osteo Bi-Flex (2021)\n* Met-RX (2021)\n* Ester-C (2021)\n* Garden of Life (2017)\nPure Encapsulations (2021)", "One Marie Antoinette back then - now there’s several at the same time", "Did you know that Nestles water electronics in L.A's San Gabriel mountains are easily susceptible to damage? These devices divert natural water to their own wells only to be packed in plastic water bottles and sold to us for a $15 billion profit?", "One of the best investment strategies I've seen is buying stock in companies that Reddit hates and are trying to boycott.", "Vote for politicians who don’t accept PAC money or corporate donations you fool", "You're right, but it's pretty small and put next to the nutrition information. They're not hiding it, but it's not easy to notice.", "Uh this is a \"fuck nestle\" rant, what the heck are you up to with actual facts and reasonable discussion?\n\nYour quality comment is like trying to help your girlfriend remove the steel spike from her forehead when she put it there as something to discuss, because all she really wants right now is to have something important to discuss. :P\n\nWhen I was a kid parents told their kids to study hard and budget money for important purchases that would help make them more successful. \n\nThese days any whiff of success is pretty much an invitation for people to assume that corruption lead to the success. Everyone without success is going to ascribe the success of others to cheating, regardless of the systems in place to watch over the the most successful.", "They mean it's healthy for the \"Mother Heart^(tm)\" that pumps the baby blood through the pipes of Nestle corporate.", "Is this a copy of Ordinary Things? It's even using the same clips\n\n https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoKLovtnbGY", "I'd say oil, weapons industries and perdue pharma are worse", "Maggi? Doesn't that taste like nasty concentrated soy sauce? Only old people have that in their kitchen cabinet and it probably has been there for ages. I've never seen that stuff being sold anywhere.", "and Merck, Monsanto, General Mills, Kellogg....", "If you never buy Nestle you'll probably be eating healthier. Win win?", "Like my women the way I like my Nestle's ...rich,thick and chocolate..", "It could be called a staple in switzerland. Hell, it even used to be on tables in restaurant together with salt and (very boring powdered) pepper.", "Nestle owns... Wonka? That's actually pretty fitting.", "For sure.", "I think the people are so bent up on the fact that America never accepts or shows itself being horrible inhumane for most of it's citizens.\n\nYour politics are absolutely circus and your health care is not good. And no one is really admitting this or bringing it front.\n\nMedia being ran by corporations naturally has a cow in this.", "\n>* Solgar (2021)\n\nDamn.", "You're not joking. This is straight up copyright infringement.", "Case in point: [when EA was voted Worst Company In America two years in a row by Consumerist readers](https://consumerist.com/2013/04/09/ea-makes-worst-company-in-america-history-wins-title-for-second-year-in-a-row/). A video game company being more evil than Bank of America. People thought [microtransactions were worse than mishandling of loans, foreclosures, and mortgages, among other awful financial practices](https://consumerist.com/2013/04/08/worst-company-in-america-final-death-match-bank-of-america-vs-ea-part-ii/index.html).", "#I vote we fuckin get rid of Nestle.\n\nI never liked that rabbit anyway...", "Oh that's not concerning at all, considering vitamins aren't even regulated by the FDA.", "> I think the people are so bent up on the fact that America never accepts or shows itself being horrible inhumane for most of it's citizens.\n\nAmerica, as in the people, American citizens? We/they shit on the US all the time. Sure, some don't live in reality, but many Americans complain about random stuff in America.\n\n>Your politics are absolutely circus\n\nI mean, yeah. That could be said about a lot of countries though, but yes, Trump was surreal for us too. We'll try to not make a habit out of electing idiots like that, but no promises.\n\n>your health care is not good\n\nPretty sure the quality of health care in the US isn't bad. It's more the setup and pricing for people, if that's what you're talking about. Again, go to any thread talking about health care in general, there's always a section with people in the US bitching about their health care. We know it sucks, believe me.\n\n>And no one is really admitting this or bringing it front.\n\nNot sure where you're looking, but I have conversations all the time about how our health care system is fucked up, or how our politics are wack as fuck. Not sure why you think absolutely no one in the US realizes this, we realize it and bitch about it quite frequently. Are there people in the US who unironically think the US is the best country in the world? Yes, but they're idiots, and every country has idiots.\n\nI mean, every single election health care is brought up and talked about extensively... by a lot of people. That's not counting how much it's bitched about or talked about in general. Same with politics, go to /r/politics and tell me all americans are ignorant of politicians making a mess of our government. \n\nAgain, yes, there are idiots who genuinely think the US is absolutely perfect beyond any other country. There is also a lot of people who understand that America isn't perfect, far from it, and talk about it a decent bit. While things may not exactly be getting done, Americans certainly understand and bitch about/talk about their problems, not all, but many.", "I am sure someone that has fed you has.", "How's that working out? Have any non pac people even been on your ballots?", "Yup.", "If you can't live without a certain kind of chocolate bar, you need to check yourself.", "Ya'll bagging on my stock portfolio.", "There’s a reason Nestle, Amazon among others nestled (for lack of a better word) their corporate headquarters riiiiiight in the Nations Capital. \n\nWhere they’re in the ears and pockets of our beloved politicians/influencers. \n\nHow wonderful.", "WoW, what a response. Someone is actually THINKING and RESEARCHING here.", "As long as your politics involves money and 2 party system the people will have no real power. The media and lobbying industry both serve only the stock owners.\n\nNo amount of talking or bitching is helping unless your politicians and media narratives take responsibility. Which they have no reason to.", "So... capitalism?", "You think it's laughably wrong to be morally against child slavery?", "Honestly, it's probably more than you realize.", "Chocolate is the least of your problems if you're trying to boycott Nestle.", "Bought/Merged with Ralston Purina about 20 years ago.", "Nestle, PepsiCo, Unilever, and somewhat Beatrice... pretty much anything processed is touched by them.", "There was an episode of Behind the Bastards recently that covered Nestle. Highly recommended.", "Nestle wants to thank you for your generous support in maintaining their ever tightening grip upon our corptocracy🤔", "Fed me? I’m not a child I make my own money", "I don't think anyone thinks they'll pull the rug from under nestle's feet by not buying KitKat, but I'd lie if I didn't wish it did every time I passed the snack aisle and didn't buy a Lion bar or a KitKat.", "That kid Is bullish on Bitcoin", "See how fast people flipped on CDPR before and after cyberpunk ha.", "gotta keep 'em hooked", "Oh no! Just bought Nuun to try it out. Won’t be doing that anymore.", "Totally lost me when the 12 year old narrator said their customer base could increase by 20 to 100 \"ex\". What the actual fuck. it was a \"x\" times symbol not a letter x....", "Yeah some kid copied it because he knew he could get away with it.", "esos comerciales", "I bought my own espresso machine after hearing about the StarBucks nestle partnership. Never been back to SB since!", "I live in the US so I get to enjoy Kitkat.", "I wonder if it's coincidence or he's straight up stealing content from hot (but no too big) creators. \n\nIf he makes a habit out of it someone will spot it and do a reveal video I'm sure.", "As someone who voted for the first time recently after years of not voting because of the feeling of pointlessness. I still think expecting your vote to cause major change is optimistic.\n\nThe argument that won me over to vote is harm reduction. The few things that politicians (specifically Conservative politicians) are willing to change, do cause undeniable harm especially to more marginalized groups. Things like immigration, welfare, reproductive rights, healthcare and more recently the handling of Covid are examples of this. So I too hate whenever people insinuate that all politicians are the same.\n\nBut the idea that voting will do anything to limit corporate interests in politics still feels almost laughable. The only way to change any of this is through direct action by the people. Which has it's own problems and limitations (especially in the world we find ourselves in today) but it's infinitely better than hoping a system designed to give us what we have today will just magically change just by participating in that system.", "idk about that, everything else about the videos are completely different other than the overall message. Of course they used the same couple of clips, the sources are publicly available and very relevant to what is being said.\n\nAre history documentaries infringing on each other if they use the same couple of clips of Hitler making a speech at a rally?", "Completely different? They are almost identical, beat for beat. I did a better job at covering up plagiarism in the 3rd grade.", "I watched them both, and I disagree. I feel like they're sufficiently different and where they intersect are on publicly available facts.\n\nThey do use a lot of the same historical documents, but those are publicly available. \n\nCould the author of the video of the OP have used those sources specifically because this video did? Maybe, yeah, but the end product is sufficiently different overall I don't think that matters.", "No. That is #ExxonKnew.", "The only voices even calling for corporations to be held accountable are all on the left. The farther to the left we push our politicians, the louder those voices become.", "And if he then copies that video he's a big dick chad and should be allowed to continue.", "He also said “are we making babies malnutritioned” instead of malnourished", "This was kind of mind blowing to me. Nature's bounty, puritan's pride, met-rx, and ester c are all the same company if anyone was wondering. They were the world's largest manufacturer of vitamins and minerals in the world and now one of the world's shittiest companies owns them.", "Try the app Buycott. It does all this for you!", "Nailbomb > Napalm Death 🖕", "You are correct, we can still vote our way out but not in the current two party system. I have a bridge in Egypt for sale if you think anyone from the republican party or democrat party will lift a finger. They shook the hands and made the deals to get into that position. The politics of Washington are beyond left and right, its establishment/ruling class vs everyone else. Its a big club and guess who isn't in it?\n\nIt would require a complete replacement in one election cycle. I mean complete. All new faces, no current party affiliation or background in politics. Complete outsiders. Elected on a platform of reform, they would need to immediately push for a complete ban on lobbying, congressional ownership of stocks and businesses and term limits. Thats for a CHANCE of stopping the corporate take over of this country. I don't see that happening. \n\nWhat I do see is more people like you, thinking/hoping whatever tribe they root for will do something about it. That they have the pure ideology and can moralize from on high and somehow this will fix the problem that has existed for decades under both parties and more often than not, the same people for decades. I have no confidence in either party or any elected official.", "If by \"calling for corporations to be held accountable\" you mean \"calling for corporations to maybe pay more taxes... but only if they feel like it\" then I could see where your coming from.\n\nYou think that politicians will not only change that system in a way that goes against their own interest. But also uphold that change as politicians come and leave from power. All just by using the that very system?\n\nI'm not a revolutionary by any stretch of the imagination. But it's very clear to see that electoralism is not how you achieve such a massive change to a fundamental part of the system.", "Yo this video is literally like that video from Ordinary Things on Nestle. Even the same clips are used", "In the US, youight as well buy the KitKat. Nestlé doesn't get any money from US sales, due to a ridiculous license agreement with Hershey. \n\nOutside the US, it's definitely all Nestlé.", "Maybe I'm an ass, but I can't get through this vid simply based on this guy's pronunciation of \"formula\".......", "Democrats are the party that is pushing for net neutrality to limit the power of ISPs. Republicans want to abolish it.\n\nDemocrats want stronger corporate regulation to keep corporations in check. Republicans want to get rid of as much existing regulation as possible.\n\nDemocrats want to limit exploratory excavation of oil companies, and limit their ability to damage the environment. Republicans want oil companies to continue unobstructed.\n\nDemocrats want limits on the profits of insurance companies, with many seeking to expand the availability of options for Americans to have a public option so they can avoid insurers altogether. Republicans want to undo what progress has already been made on this issue.\n\nAnd yes, Democrats want to increase the taxes these companies pay, push for stronger worker protections, higher wages, and greater employee benefits. Republicans want the opposite of all of that.\n\nThis may not be all the changes you want to see made, but we start by pushing in that direction and we get to where we want to go by continuing to push, not by saying \"well, this isn't everything we want so why bother\".", "If you've been paying attention at all over the last four years and still equate Democrats and Republicans, you've already been sold plenty of bridges yourself.\n\nYou keep pushing for systemic changes if you want. I'm not optimistic about your chances of seeing them come to fruition, but I don't begrudge you the effort. However, I absolutely object to your insistence that voting within the current system is meaningless. Anyone who argues this is either blind and ignorant, or working to suppress the turnout of those who would vote.", "Let's talk about how horrible Nestle is.. but first here's an ad for our sponsor, a credit card company!", "It's basically liquid umami and is an absolute staple in South East Asian and (some) Chinese cooking. Very common in stir fried, dumpling mixes and on Bahn mi. The American one isn't as good because they irrationally removed msg from it.", "Sorry hon. I started boycotting them 20 years ago and not consumed anything of theirs in all that time.", "they could mean like, take out.", "Unless you have been making an exceptionally thorough effort (and kudos, if so), then you absolutely have.\n\n[They own an ungodly number of companies.](https://www.nestle.com/brands/brandssearchlist)", "Just another empire that supports big pharma by selling you addicting sugar laced foods.", "Oof same I used to love that icecream, haven't touched it since I found out it was owned by nestle tho", "20 to 100x\n\nsolve for x.", "So, many, more. Why? \n\nWhy?", "I keep a list in my iPhone notes of companies to avoid 😬", "I just want to first correct this:\n\n>\"well, this isn't everything we want so why bother\".\n\nThat's not what I'm saying. I'm saying \"this isn't what we want, so we need to do more\".\n\n> Democrats are the party that is pushing for net neutrality to limit the power of ISPs. Republicans want to abolish it.\n\n>Democrats want stronger corporate regulation to keep corporations in check. Republicans want to get rid of as much existing regulation as possible.\n\n>Democrats want to limit exploratory excavation of oil companies, and limit their ability to damage the environment. Republicans want oil companies to continue unobstructed.\n\n>Democrats want limits on the profits of insurance companies, with many seeking to expand the availability of options for Americans to have a public option so they can avoid insurers altogether. Republicans want to undo what progress has already been made on this issue.\n\nNothing of what you said is holding corporations accountable. Nothing you posted here is about removing the power that corporations have over our government.\n\nWhile Net Neutrality hurts the ISPs it helps big tech companies like Google and Facebook. While harsher regulations hurt the Oil industry it helps every competing energy industry. While limiting the profits of insurance companies hurts them it helps the Businesses that buy insurance from them.\n\nWhile I agree that these are all good things, don't let yourself be fooled into thinking that any of this is for the people. It's for the corporate interests that bankroll them.\n\n>And yes, Democrats want to increase the taxes these companies pay, push for stronger worker protections, higher wages, and greater employee benefits. Republicans want the opposite of all of that.\n\nThis is the kind of action that actually helps people. Weird that the Democrats constantly find themselves tripping before the finish line on these issues. Strange that a few key votes from within the Democrats stopped the $15 federal minimum wage from potentially happening.\n\nIt's also kind of weird that these issue have been an huge problem for many decades now and nothing has ever meaningfully changed in the times that the Democrats held power.\n\nEveryone should vote and they should vote for the most viable and most left option available. In the US that means the Democrats. Also the more that people vote for them and the more that they win, it will slowly shift things over left. But don't confuse voting Democrat for making any steps towards meaningful changes towards the fundamental problems with the system.", "I heard something like it takes twelve monkeys, a type write and 5 years and the can write you Shakespeare (obviously a joke for haters) but it only take one good boy and a tractor.", "Fuck nestle", "It's like you guys think it's a fairy tale, and a business can be simply 'good' or evil.", "Amazon/Apple/Google: Hold my beer", "The kid is an adult and has 605k subscribers on youtube.", "But a thousand other Nestle products?", "It is not infringing factoids they are stealing the idea, down to the format and style of narration.", "Now that I am keto, I stick to outer aisles and avoid all processed food. But, I have actively avoided Nestle products since nursing school, when I learned that they deliberately gave new moms in Africa 3 weeks of baby formula for free— just until their milk dried up. I’ve worn a boycott Nestle button on my winter coat since then. PS they’ve only gotten worse. PPS obviously Switzerland isn’t very neutral if they house this worst James Bond villain.", "> The kid is a scumbag and has 605k subscribers on youtube.\n\nFTFY", "I believe that title belongs to Monsanto.", "Did you know Nestle sold off it's North American water concerns a few months ago for 4.3 billion dollars to One Rock Capital Partners and Metropolous & Co?", "You're really weak", "I'd happily support Nazis over nestle. At least Nazis had some great plans, albeit totally interrupted by the UK duping us (USA) into joining WW2 when we should've just stayed out of it.", "Wow, there is so much to unpack there, but let's just say that as much as I hate Nestle, I disagree.", "Just an FYI:\n\nNestle sold it's North American water concerns to One Rock Capital Partners and Metropolous & Co for 4.3 Billion dollars a few months ago this year. \n\nSo yeah, hate them, but any of the hijinks that continue on under Blue Triton are all on those two companies above.", "And that's ok if you disagree, we all have our life experiences that shape our outlook on the world. Everyone is different, and nobody is incorrect necessarily but I'd sure have liked to see the Third Reich get a few more years in just to see how much better the world economic, political, and media/entertainment industries would be. Have a good night.", "What, the child slavery, water theft, poisoned infants… doesn’t everyone do all that?", "Very nice.\n\nAgain, kudos for being super-responsible like that.\n\n(Though in fairness: Apple uses child-labor, so uh...maybe add one to the list?)", "Fuck, I use solgar. :/", "Lol, at least I don't delete my shit takes like a fuckin coward", "Okay boomer", "I was giving examples. I know some who like the above while hating nestle", "No I need my iPhone to talk on reddit, tiktok, and Facebook", "*I don't know. I know Nestle used to be very popular. But I don't see anymore commercials for it,", "You're a coward? Thanks for admitting it tho it was obvious even before you decided to be a cunt but that's the problem with your filth, can dish out toxicity but can't take it in return, filthy Parasites. 9/11 was such an epic day", "It was always hilarious to see how the internet only hated nestles* use of bottled water... \n\nIts just like how the internet stopped hating monsanto the moment bayer bought them. I have no proof of this, but I strongly suspect that all the anti-monsanto rhetoric was sourced from its european rivals to spin up controversy and keep monsanto competition out of europe.", "Word salad, muh favrit", "I've been using the term \"corporate socialism\" for years now without even realizing it really is a thing.", "I consciously keep a lookout and try to keep alert when buying confectionery or cooking supplies. Still, I always panic whenever I'm buying a brand because it's hard to figure out if they're owned by Nestle and isn't printed clearly on the packaging.", "It pops up whenever a new doc or lawsuit makes the news.", "Fucked. Bought a 6 pack of Hershey's chocolate bars the other day and oddly couldn't stop till i ate them all.. go figure.", "Same footage, same structure, almost the same script, different presenter. I would argue that for stylistic reasons, those that aren't compelled to continue watching one video will have the option to watch the other and be presented with the same facts. \n\nAs long as the message can reach as wide as an audience as possible about this devious and horrendous company, I don't have a problem with it.", "Oh I'm not coming after you, sorry if it came out that way. I just think it's very typical of humans no matter the issue, for example there was a huge story in the papers in Sweden years ago about how H&M used child labor to make their clothes in third world countries and people were really upset for about a week before they forgot about it. You might not have a problem with giving up KitKats but I'm sure there are people out there who care more about the snack than the people who get fucked over to make it.", "Having watched neither of the videos, I can confidently say you are making things up.", "I was wondering if there was an app to help boycott certain brands and this seems to be it. It was last updated in 2016 though which is a bit disappointing.", "Don't you think that maybe you're the one dishing out toxicity?", "I think whatever advancements you imagine would have been made seem negligible next to the massive loss of life that would have happened if they continued operating - both in the concentration camps and on the battlefields.", "Get a sponsorblock. Your work will save people hours.", "When Microsoft wanted to avoid this, DC plutocrats butt-fucked Gates and the company with legislative threats and audits until they put their HQ next to the Capitol and the White House. At the time, Microsoft was the most powerful tech corporation in the world, and one of the most powerful companies ever.\n\nNot only they are there, they are wanted, no, demanded to be there.", "Noooo San Pelligrino is on the dark side!", "You're ok with theft, gotcha.", "Well, I wouldn't say that. However thinking of it now I'd amend that if the creator of the OP video knew about the Ordinary Things video, then they should acknowledge or reference, or credit it in their video. However it's not entirely farfetched to say that them using the same footage and following the same structure is a coincidence. As others have already said, the footage and facts presented in the videos are all public knowledge and compiled on wikipedia, so this guy probably followed the same formula that the other did. \n\nShould they have done some research that if any other videos existed covering the same topics? Probably. But again, they may just not have found it. It's a big world. The internet is a big place.", "(Brain Blessed speaking) What! That's outrageous! \n\nFind that man and stop him! This is no place for that kind of behaviour!", "https://youtu.be/ZVWI6n8U-FU?t=1803", ">I kinda look like an sjw\n\nWhat the fuck?", "> When Microsoft wanted to avoid this, DC plutocrats butt-fucked Gates and the company with legislative threats and audits\n\nI'm no Microsoft fan boy but this makes things sound like a protection racket. Do you have any proof that this is the reason the 'oversight' stopped?", "Citadel has entered the chat...", "https://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/how-microsoft-learned-abcs-of-dc-052483", "I'm not convinced by this article it's short on details. I think Microsoft has been trying to be less obviously evil over the last decade and a half anyhow. Since OOXML it has been more stealthy and also less relevant.\n\nI'd be interested in how Microsoft criticism has compared between the US and EU as that probably reflects if the US has turned soft. I couldn't find anything that helped my research.\n\nDon't get me wrong I know that there is lots of 'bribery' in politics but I'm not sure a direct protection racket exists. I think it is more that given the choice most companies happily pay money to grease the wheels.", "> I think Microsoft has been trying to be less obviously evil over the last decade and a half anyhow.\n\nNo, it's just no longer unique and its innovative business practices have become the industry standard. \n\nDo you want the most powerful people in America to just give you an openly reported-upon paper trail to read all about online? It's never ostensibly bribery. Back in the day they'd gift purebred greyhound puppies, today they gift objects of value like artwork. Not money of course, that'd be bribery.", "> its innovative business practices have become the industry standard. \n\nWhilst true I think this is just part of the corporate cycle. IBM was the pre-Microsoft evil, Facebook is probably the current post-Microsoft evil though there is always stiff competition. Companies try to rehabilitate their images plus loose the edge that kept them in the spotlight.", "It's not Nestle that buys it anymore. They sold their water division last year. A turkish kid who owns the playboy mansion now owns the world water. Blue Triton.", "Probably using Bing !", "And why do you say that?", "WoW", "I thought that too, but it turns out they own a lot of other bottled water companies, just none that are in Canada or the US, because it is only the US and Canada companies that they sold.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestl%C3%A9_brands", "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nestl%C3%A9_brands", "The most evil business in the world is \"Abortion\"", "No thanks, like Mr. Crabs, I like money.", "Try to convince the Donald groups here on Reddit who the real enemy is. That’s a big roadblock. \nSomehow they are so sure that immigrants are taking all the money while politicians line pockets and keep them in line and pointing the finger elsewhere.", "winner winner chicken dinner", "And you are going to tell us all that you only eat food prepared and grown with your own hands? Please. If you are going to tout your righteousness then best take a closer look. Do you buy goods and services from those who support nestle? Yup. Do you consume foodstuffs prepared by others that originate from Nestle? Yes. Ok champ, so you as a consumer choose to not consume nestle goods as a matter of ethical objection; however, if you are removed one step you are 100% good with it and not tarnished by the foul capitalistic beast corporation.\n\nWhatever lets you (not)sleep at night.", "Hey shout-out to all the henchmen who are just \"doing their job\" and making it all possible. God forbid you ever quit.", "It’s gonna be Nestle. Reddit has a massive hate boner for Nestle. I like to pretend it’s my fav just to outrage the lemmings.", "Their tiny hands are able to do things those of old workers can’t do", "Like some of us...", "How are they doing anyway? I mostly do ETFs and don’t focus too much on individual stocks", "[Why not both?](http://whale.to/b/nestle.html)\n\nNestle and the Nazis were closer than you think. Like, \"Jewish slave labor\" close.", "Fox News is effective State propaganda\n\nhttps://archive.ph/fMeAV", "Very happy to see Jake Tran on the top of r/videos. Been subbed for over a year now, he makes really good videos. Sometimes it’ll make you feel hopeless, but they’re really informative videos!", "The Nazis had style, all the Hugo Boss uniforms were stellar, nestle has zero appeal to me since they're not actually reducing the number of oven dodgers. Keep Nazis, dump nestle.", "Both Triton and the Playboy Mansion are owned by the Metropoulos family who are Greek.", "That's them. Yeah.", "lol 'voTinG wIlL bRinG cHanGe'\n\nthe issue is systemic and inherent to capitalism, voting doesnt help, voting helps legitimise that systemic issue", "\"My parents helicoptered my everything while I was young so I had no real struggles growing up and had to cut myself just to feel SOMETHING.\" -- The generation after me.\n\nShit my generation had real problems and didn't have to go picking on old statues for something to do out of boredom.", "Haha yeah we heard ya the first time boomer. Your generation is superior bla bla bla kids these days yada yada yada", "Everything is equal. You're a snowflake, just like everyone else is.\n\nMy generation was superior at reality, yours may be superior at virtual reality, but they are equal at the end, nobody got extra character points to assign.", "why can't terrorists target these type of corporations instead of religious based hate", "You're the one complaining like a snowflake haha. I'm the one making fun of the guy who's whining like a baby about other generations", "Caveat emptor", "Um, have you heard of Lockheed?", "Right? Like he clearly does care about social justice... so why use a term that is considered to be sort of derogatory??", "Capitalism has been around for a long while. \nThe rich were well taxed in the past, see FDR era\n\nHistory tells a different story than you may think about how power has, overtime, transferred to the people\n\n[Amendments](https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendments.html) 1, 5, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 24 and 26 were all big (some much bigger than others) steps forward for democracy and gave power to the people. [Amendment 27](https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment27.html) was about closing a financial conflict of interest loophole in federal Congress and it was a 19 year old college student who [got the ball rolling](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution)\n\nIt's been a little while since we've had any big deal amendments like those that I mentioned prior to the 27th. \nBefore each amendment was made they always felt impossibly out of reach - but they were not!\n\nNot to mention the separation of church and state - and disconnecting from the monarchy\n\nUnlike soldiers, slaves or suffragettes - we have nothing to lose when getting organized and demanding change from lawmakers. \n\nIt's just going to take a little effort. Mainstream media is against us, they will [likely never discuss](https://old.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/pznldg/z/hf2ppbf) political corruption. So it's up to us and smaller outlets to spread the word.", "Wait till you hear that Nestle isn't the only bad guy... the entire cocoa industry is fucked up.", "Capitalism has been dominant for a few hundred years at most, and neoliberalism since the 80s.\n\nFDR era was still full of the third world being litterally direct colonies of the west and full of exploitation for it. You still had widespread instiutionalised racism in the FDR era, non liberation for women, etc etc.\n\nWhat you say is just mitigation of the disgusting effects of capitalism and wont actually free anyone", "Nestle has have a bad rep since the mid 1960's The only thing that changed was the PR campaign", "Are you too irresponsible with your money to get a regular credit card? Then here, check out the all new Loan Shark card, with just 0.1% apr! (Introductory offer. 24000% apr after the first 6 months. Squid game entry not guaranteed. Organ harvesting may vary.)", "They’ll probably release a new “low sugar” version after a few months", "Trump begged Brad Raffensperger, Georgia’s secretary of state, for votes because, according to you, they're meaningless\n\n\"I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break.\" - https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-raffensperger-call-transcript-georgia-vote/2021/01/03/2768e0cc-4ddd-11eb-83e3-322644d82356_story.html\n\nAnd that's why the Republicans in so many states are passing voter suppression laws and gerrymandering even more than they are already have, because votes don't matter. Makes perfect sense /s\n\n> A few unrelated things about the FDR era while ignoring the exceptionally high tax rates on the rich. Please don't notice my strawman\n\nYou can do better than this\n\n> mitigation of the disgusting effects of capitalism and wont actually free anyone \n\nSorry, it's already working. Good news for America, bad news for your argument.\n\nThe passage of the American anti-corruption act in parts across the United States over the last 10 years helped bring the for the people act and the freedom to vote act to the senate floor. Things are close, they just need few more people in the right place nudging a bit. \n\nBut hey if you want to dream those French Revolution dreams (the French Revolution was a [failure](https://www.quora.com/Why-did-the-French-Revolution-fail) the way - and so way 1/6 if that's more your thing), don't let me stop you.", "Do you seriously think that the biggest divide is democrat republican? As if the current state of poverty and neoliberalism and radicalisation and climate disaster hasnt happend under both of these? These are two shades of the same colour. Capitalism is behind climate collapse (the search for infinite growth) and capitalism is the one constantly exploiting the global south to provide for the west and general elites. And you cant vote capitalism away", "It seems clear from other comments in this thread that OP did know about the other video.", "They act like this is a bad thing when ALL companies do this, how many times have you heard oil is better then electricity, or they use now \"influencers\" to sell you on this makeup or something else, I just got duped by yahoo, when I was on the yahoo NEWS page and saw it said \"How to make your electronics last longer\" it DID NOT SAY AD as normally the ad ones do, so I read it and it had a video of a \"Influencer\" and they were talking about Yahoo product protection service. And now this also makes me wonder, if you ever see those you know are fake ads for something that is so cheap it is not real, like a electric bike for $200 or something, if you purchased that and never got it or got something not it, can you sue Yahoo for posting the ad before a news article you wanted to see?" ]	224	videos	Nestlé: The Most Evil Business in the World
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZexwGDjxrpk&ab_channel=CarterPersily	/r/videos/comments/qfjjxy/kero_kero_bonito_cover_ive_seen_footage_by_death/	[ "Cool, i wonder what it would be like if you could actually hear her.", "She's seen footage.\n\nARRRRGGGHHH", "it's not about that", "it's fun that they played it but her vocals like half yelling a song that is meant to be [guttural screaming](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_V_2BFWahc) is a little underwhelming", "Yeah all i could hear was the guy right next to the camera, also trying to sing.", "Oh-oo-oh\nTalkin' 'bout Bugsnax", "At least he was yelling", "[Death Grips x Kero Kero Bonito - Lord of the Flamingoes (Mashup)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu81WUG9OeU)\n\nA classic.", "Oh cool" ]	9	videos	Kero Kero Bonito Cover I've Seen Footage by Death Grips
https://youtu.be/65uuGA2xGwg	/r/videos/comments/qfjy27/channel_5_uhuru_march_for_reparations/	[ "I read this quick and thought they were asking for reparations from the woman on Star Trek", "Super cringe. Love it.", "These people have lost all connection with reality. Very sad.", "Repost", "Can I have $5?", "I wish reddit stopped being so juvenile about these topics.", "Love how the white lady refused to give him $5 because the money \"needs to come from people who benefit from oppression\"\n\nInsanity is the only thing truly bipartisan lol" ]	7	videos	Channel 5 - Uhuru March for Reparations
https://youtu.be/-bivaD6uOJ0	/r/videos/comments/qfjy2j/fastest_hole_of_golf_world_record_attempt/	[ "InstaBros suck sooooo much...", "So a guy at the end didn't putt. Technically he's not part of the record, right?", "what absolute HEROES dude", "but these guys are pro golfers being asked to do it for fun for the tournament... I hear you though.", "He pulled the flag!", "Aces must not count, then? Maybe it has to be a minimum distance/par 4?", "You'd think the first shot you'd want to hit rough so it stops faster. You definitely give up some distance, but I would think that's where you shave time off.", "Too much of a risk with the lie I would guess", "I wanna see the GoodGood guys take a shot at it. At the very least it would be entertaining as hell.", "Some heroes don't wear capes...", "Why did I read this with the accent of a pro golf commentator speaking quietly as to not disturb the match?", "No they just keep doing the same thing and wait for luck to be on their side", "So not a part of the record", "Because golf is boring and terrible for the enviroment" ]	13	videos	Fastest Hole of Golf \| World Record Attempt
https://youtu.be/pRYtxArgcSs	/r/videos/comments/qfk0ia/nyc_uber_driver_hits_236_consecutive_green_lights/	[ "FYI the lights are designed to operate like this, if you go the speed limit. Late at night it's pretty standard to only get a couple red lights in NYC, but 236 is still insane.", "Here's the original footage, guy named Noah Forman; \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY37qT2G-cU", "I've seen people describe this as \"riding the wave\" and am always so jealous - Here in Toronto the lights are not timed or automated to work together like this and you often get stuck at red lights in the middle of the night.", "Where I saw this shared, NYC people say it's some algorithm or timing shit because you have to have cars, pedestrians and bicycles in sync.", "I bet that after the 100th or so you feel completely in sync with the Universe.", "I wish lights worked like that where I live. If anything they seem to change to RED as I approach :( and it’s not like the next several turn red at that point. No, they wait until I get to each successive light…", "\"RING RING RING RING RINGR GIN RING RING RGIN GNIGNRING\"\n\nFuck that.", "I actually notice this a ton. Mostly because there's a lot of people where I live/drive who speed/weave. The couple total seconds they end up saving just get spoiled, because it might be good enough to get them through one, maybe even two, but never three total lights. Rarely do they get enough greens to make any sort of measurable distance, in reality they're just burning gas for no real reason, unless they really enjoy driving like that I guess.", "Not sure about NYC but I think LA public transportation have sensors that makes lights turn green for approaching buses.", "I don't believe so (though there may be situations like that for buses).\n\nIn a less dense area of the country a pedestrian may need to hit the walk button to trigger the light to cross. But in NY (and many other cities) the expectation that pedestrians need to cross on a regular basis is already built into the formula for how often the lights change. So it's quite unlikely that they would trigger lights based on the presence of a car. This is based on timing the lights for optimal traffic flows.", "Yeah and the Manhattan intersections he's going through will generally have 6 sets of lights + 4 pedestrian signals and run on a 30 second cycle (26 seconds green + 2 seconds yellow + 2 seconds red in all directions) and many have countdown clocks on the walk signals (starting at 12 seconds). Once you get used to this it becomes second nature to look at the lights in the other direction to time how long it is until the light changes. If you look at [the full video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY37qT2G-cU) he speeds up and slows way down in a few places (like at [12:18](https://youtu.be/FY37qT2G-cU?t=736)) to make the green. Still impressive as hell!", "Some lights have sensors to turn red if you're going above the speed limit. If you speed up off the line you'll get a red at the next light and repeat. If you speed up slowly and coast at the limit you'll get a string of greens.", "Yup, it's called a [Green Wave](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_wave).", "Same here. I watched the whole thing and only counted 233 at first so I was about to call him out in this thread but then I came to my senses and decided to watch again before being making myself come across as accusatory, and needless to say I counted all 236 the second time, as his title claimed", "Where I live, if you get 2 in a row, you better get a damn lottery ticket", "Hack the planet!", "Yeah in a crowded city like NYC there's waves throughout the city being cordinated by algorithm, and sensors are only to measure that. \nBut either is a thing. \nHere there's a strip of highway that has 1 intersection with 30 minutes of nothing on either side, the sensor there does give the limited traffic the right of way.", "Oh man ! I once went from 36 and 9th to 44th and second without hitting a single red light ! That’s not it, the cab driver forgot to start the meter so he refused to charge me ! I just gave him a decent tip . Best day ever !!", "and then a SEMI t-bones you and he saw you run the read light. \nI never pass red lights can ease into traffic with anticipation, everybody in that much of a hurry can just go around.", "This is just an insanely long green wave right? They're everywhere in my country but obviously not this long, 236 is impressive.", "I have a 3 light combo I sometimes hit on my way home. This is next level", "They've been talking about installing something like that for busses to help speed things up for them. But you can't do it in general for several reasons:\n\n1. There's always cars. Having a sensor detecting cars would be pretty pointless.\n\n2. The lights are so close to each other (every block -- 20ish blocks per mile) that you'd need sensors to detect your approach before you're even at the previous light. Remember there are pedestrians crossing streets too, not just cars. If you're asking for 20 seconds warning for pedestrians to get across, you already travel 6 blocks at 30mph in that time.\n\n3. All of the timings are interconnected on a massive grid, if you made changes for just a single car you'd screw everything else up. It would be hard to find a net benefit. For a bus there's a bigger benefit because one bus can hold like 50 people.", "Is somebody trying to steal a shipment of Italian gold?", "How is Aloe Blacc's Green Lights not the soundtrack to this video?", "That's like a near impossible feat in NYC, bravo!", "Also, you can buffer yourself if a light is red in front of you… just go slowly, coast to it, another driver or a timer will turn it green by the time you get to it if you do it properly. It can save a lot of wear and tear on a vehicle as well as gas.", "Driving in Manhattan late at night on a weekday can be satisfying. It's just that there's always that cab driver who cuts into your lane.", "This is the self preservation society!", "Went to NY to catch a baseball game. Got a cab after the game and apparently this obvious nugget was lost on him as he accelerated wildly from green lights only to slam on the brakes at red lights then repeat the whole process after about a three second wait. Only time I've ever been motion sick in a vehicle on the road.", "This feels like it should be on /r/mildlyinteresting", "Something went horribly fucking wrong with marketing education because agreed, that 'jingle' is the shit of dystopian nightmares.", "> If you see someone weaving and constantly changing speed and lanes to try to beat lights\n\nI'm that guy, if the store closes at 8 and my GPS says I'll be there at 8:01\n\nI won't cut anyone off, but I will change lanes to get around any cars going less than 10mph above the posted speed limit on the passing lane.\n\nAlso, don't forget that some people actually need to make the red light, not the green light. Because the left green arrow sensor only triggers if you're at the red light in time.", "My grandfather invented the modern stoplight. Were he alive, he'd be so proud. He thought the thousands (millions?) of collective hours saved was his great anonymous gift to humanity.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fGkHKVR9g", "Thanks. actual dude deserves the views", "I work in NYC and often have to work late nights. One night I left the office like two am and took a cab home. We hit every single green light between midtown and Morningside Heights. By the time the driver dropped me off, he was so amped. He said I must be a good guy to have had that much good luck. Meh, must’ve been his good karma though", "Yeah no they don't. Traffic lights being deniable by a single cars speed is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.", "From 2011 with a 1 second Google.\n\nhttps://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/next-gen-traffic-lights-will-turn-red-if-youre-speeding/\n\nAnd I've encountered them with warning signs telling you that they do it.\n\nMaybe do a little research before assuming you know everything.", "I'd somehow hot 237 red lights out of those 236 lights", "Some cities actually do this on purpose. I know Denver does. It's to \"control traffic\". They purposely make sure you can't hit a ton of lights in a row, supposedly to keep speeds down.", "NYC is a bad example because there are never no cars on the adjoining road :p", "dont spend it all at once", "Some people enjoy G-forces", "Best part of driving in Manhattan", "I'm afraid I'm not going to share this fact.", "Bruh, I live in a tiny place, and there is 5 traffic lights in my commute.\n\nThis morning I got 2 green in a row (other 3 all red of course), and I fucking cheered it was that special.\n\n90% of the time I get all red. 9% of the time I get one green. This is actually absurd to me.", "he basically used up all the luck he had in life. good luck.", "So instead of a \"set to do X\" article, maybe get me where they're actually in service if you want to make a point?\n\nI don't know everything. I just know a stupid idea when I see it. If you can't find \"some\" that do it, maybe change your comment to \"a rare few\" in the UK.\n\nGuess your \"next-gen lights\" are so bad they're not being included in this new remodal lmao: https://www.swindon.gov.uk/moonrakersjunction", ">26 seconds green \n\nManhattan has about a 44 second green time from what I've seen, I've looked at a bunch of different videos on youtube to confirm this", "and yet most cabs accelerate as fast as they can and then slam the brakes at red lights at every traffic signal.", "The ones I personally encountered were in NY in Westchester County. I didn't take the time to find any Google on them specifically (as mentioned I did a 1 second Google). But they had signs on the light posts. \n\nBut I agree 100% that it's a ludicrously bad idea. Doesn't mean that some idiot bureaucrats didn't do it.", "Spoiler alert. The lights in NYC are timed. Only some major cross streets have weight sensors to update lights.", "> But I agree 100% that it's a ludicrously bad idea. Doesn't mean that some idiot bureaucrats didn't do it.\n\nYeah I'll hand that to you. I probably should be more open to dumb government decisions existing in weird forms ahahah.\n\nIf that were me I'd write to them that some fuckwit slowed down my commute every morning by speeding a few metres beside me. Enough people writing in and the council usually changes it's ideas." ]	52	videos	NYC Uber driver hits 236 consecutive green lights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwK9wu8Cxeo	/r/videos/comments/qfkgu3/glider_pilot_was_asked_to_do_an_impromptu_demo_at/	[ "From pinned comment:\n\n>Update 10 months later: I uploaded this video and 4 days later had over 200k views. The video got reported and the FAA had serious concerns with this performance/flight. Lesson learned: Don't fly any kind of performance for any group or crowd (even if asked by the airshow management and cleared through the airboss) if you are NOT an approved airshow performer (have something called a SAC card)!!! The FAA will surely come after you with violations. The end result for me: $$ thousands spent on legal fees and I will soon be taking a forced 7 month break from flying. :( I was told I was very luck to not lose my license permanently over this. Yikes! Why am I sharing all this? I only had good intentions of showing what a glider is capable of doing, but I am not a trained airshow performer and I didn't know the rules for airshow performances. If in doubt - don't do it! I hope this will help other pilots to not have to go through what I have over the last 10 months. Cheers and stay safe! Bruno - B4", "Ah, admittance of fault and tipping off fellow daredevils. Angry mob cancelled folks.", "This guy’s videos are pretty cool. He’s safe and a great way to understand what gliding is about. \n\nToo bad he’s having to take a forced leave of absence, but glad nobody got injured out this performance.", "I own and operate my own Taxi. I don't know the rules for Nascar. Sue me.", "I don't think there is a hobby out there that scrutinizes and reports violations as much as the aviation guys.\n\nJust about every big aviation you tuber has probably had an FAA issue", "I can see how the FAA would have a problem with aerobatics over unsuspecting civilian property.", "It's probably a combination of posting your unintentional goofs on the web and doing risky things for views with a dash of resentful armchair pilots.", "It's not \"their discipline\". He isn't an airshow flyer, which is exactly why he got in trouble.", "I imagine the issue is how dangerous flying can be for people on the ground. It'd be like if some random guy at a gun show was asked to do an impromptu full auto grenade launcher show in the parking lot and thought it would be ok because he was asked by the event organizer to do it. Like you have to imagine there are certain types of licensing and training required to do something like that without the ATF coming for you", "Ok it'd be like if some guy at a car/air show was asked by the event organizer to fly his heavy metal blades through the air really fast above and near a large crowd without the proper training, licensing, insurance, or permits. Seems like you might want to get those first.", "Yeah I'm not gonna watch 10 minutes of video to figure out if this is worth my attention. Please describe the issue better in the title.", "tldw: guy flies a glider over an air show. nothing happens. no explanation of wrongdoing in the video. he just didn't have the right license to do an aerobatic show.", "That doesn't seem to be the problem here, also the organizers of the event clearly asked him to do it so it might have been entirely suspected. If he had the right license it seems he would never have had any problems.", "Good", "And humans.", "I think you're dead on.", "Wait… an angry mob? about this? Y’all need to go outside more.", "But outside is where the angry mob meets up, so we can make signs and scream at people", "Yea, I'm ok with the FAA making sure there aren't any aircraft doing silly shit up there.", "Part of pilot licence is understanding the rules and regulations. In Australia this is made very clear that you do not fly over large gatherings or events.", "Flying and acrobatic flying are entirely different disciplines. That's like saying a person that walks should know all of the rules of the Olympic 100m sprint simply because you move your legs in both walking and sprinting.", "Anyone know if these things are safe for medium distance travel? Lets say i wanted to glide to an airport 100 miles away, is that doable? What are the limits of what would be \"normal\" to fly?", "Unless you're American Airlines then it's all good.", "Normally, I'd agree with you but in flying, it's important and expected to know the relevant Federal Aviation Regulations for each flight/operation.\n\nedit- \n[Here](https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.303) is the FAR he was breaking\n\n[Here](https://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives/airshow/media/Air_Show_Special_Provisions.pdf) is the provisions to allow those ops for air shows with specific currency requirements and endorsements.", "It's possible but not normal. The limit will be based on several factors - the altitude you start at, winds aloft, whether there are \"thermals\" - rising currents of air that you can use to gain altitude. Most glider flights take place close to an airport so you wouldn't use it for long distance travel.\n\nThe best rule of thumb is to look at the glide ratio. This tells how far the glider can glide with a standard drop in altitude. So a ratio of 50:1 means for every 1ft drop in altitude, the glider can move 50ft forward. If you wanted to glide 100 miles, you'd need to be up to 2 miles in altitude (~10,000 feet). It's not practical for a tow plane to get you to that altitude. That's under ideal conditions, not counting any headwind.", "The license is about knowing the rules and the training for doing something like this. I can def understand how a pilot's license doesn't cover deliberate stunts.\n\nI'm also sure this guy didn't do anything stupid, but the rules are there for the idiots.", "Ham radio operators.\n\nThose guys will actively hunt down unlawful transmissions like a Colombian death squad, coordinating with each other as they drive around triangulating the source. \n\nMy buddy's a ham and they're almost giddy about a \"kill\" (my words hah). He left his wife at a house party to go on a hunt once. Was just some kid playing with his dad's radio, so they only broke his legs. \n\n(joking, but they did ring the doorbell and confront the dad)", "I totally forgot about them. They go hard.", "For aerobatic flights a parachute(s) is required. The aircraft must also be rated for aerobatics. The airshow thing may what got him caught.", "He still has a license? only xx dollars? This guy was an idiot. That approach at 6:16 was inches away from hitting ground on the left wing.\n\nIf he had clipped or bottomed-out his glider could have crashed its way into that crowd of spectators.", "ugh", "[ Jump to 06:16 @ Glider Pilot Flies Unexpected Air Show Performance - Loses License 7 Months](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwK9wu8Cxeo&t=0h6m16s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Bruno Vassel, Video Popularity: 93.03%, Video Length: [10:42])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@06:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwK9wu8Cxeo&t=0h6m11s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Or an aircraft rated for aerobatics, or the required safety equipment", "I agree... seems super reckless to me, there's a reason the airshow rules, training and equipment exist.", "it looks like he's touching his weiner hahaha 🤣", "It's an airshow asshole.", "While I agree he was reckless, and this shouldn't have been done, I believe this is our eyes playing tricks on us, making the ground seem closer than it really is. If you compare the moment you posted with later in the video when he actually touches down near the end, you can see the runway seems WAY bigger on the ground than in that moment you posted. He could easily have been 50 feet off the ground, but it's hard to tell with the camera / curved windshield, though the pilot would certainly know for sure, and have instruments telling them.\n\nOnce again, I agree with you though, the FAA did the right thing IMO.", "wait I thought the whole point of ham radio was to play around and shoot the shit", "They do plenty of that, but within the bounds of FCC regulations. Transmitting on the wrong frequency, above a certain power level, without the right callsigns, etc is all illegal and highly frowned upon. \n\nAlso, many ham operators are certified to assist with emergency services communications, which is one of the major reasons the federal government allows them to exist. Any major disaster will have a network of hams assisting public agencies and they take it very seriously, which is probably the biggest reason for their enthusiasm in tracking down malicious broadcasts. \n\nAmateur radio networks are actually considered one of the principle public resources in a national disaster, like a nuclear strike. If the world is ending, you're most likely to hear about it from your local ham (or AM radio station) instead of the internet or CNN.", "And risk getting hit by an out of control, showboating glider? No thanks.", "100 mile flights or more are not that unusual if you have a good glider and the conditions are right. You can find thermals to gain altitude between straight glides. It also requires a fair amount of skill and practice though!", "i'm taking into consideration our FOV. My familiarity of Photography is above average, as well as my understanding that gliders have above average wingspan, more than your typical Cessna or other single engine propeller plane. 06:16-06:18 he is too close to the ground, even at 30 feet, and then tilts to the left as he veers onto the tarmac and towards the audience. It doesnt take much for a glider to suddenly drop 20-30 feet. He got lucky his only punishment was xx thousand dollars and a 7 month suspension.", "There are so many acrobatics related accidents, I would have guessed the pilot in OP would be aware that acrobatics are a huge no no with the FIA. Seems like something you learn in your pilot training.", "https://youtu.be/VuDd6mjCl98?list=TLPQMjYxMDIwMjEkda2sc1Ef\\_w", "You can see the altimeter in the video, and he did that maneuver at about the same altitude as when he was sitting on the runway (\\~4510). He was so close the ground he was within the error range of his instruments indicating he actually was on the ground. Definitely almost clipped the wing at 6:18.", "Heavy dash of resentful pilots", "I'm amazed at the restraint and maturity of the commenters here, because as soon as I saw the video, I was like \"LOLOLOL, it looks like he's fiddling with his ding dong!\"", "An impromptu air show is not a thing lol\n\nSounds like a real good way to die", "Every one except the one guy who is infamous for incredibly stupid flying. Air Wagner has become a bit of a in joke for his antics in the cockpit", "Good lesson well learned.\n\nWhen you're the captain, you have no right to goof off. That also works for pilots, drivers and riggers as well. In fact that's the case for anyone in a responsible position.\n\nYou're the boss of what you are doing", "Literally the first thing I noticed. Very agile too!", "You don’t need a parachute to fly aerobatics in my country. Are you sure in US?", "What is that thing that look like some kind of worm?", "Technically, inside is where the angry mob meets.", "> aerobatic flights a parachute(s) is required\n\nOnly for the passengers, not the pilot.", "The yarn on the windscreen is a simple turn and bank indicator. Detects slipping.", "I feel bad for the guy, but for some context about the background for of rule:\n\n* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\\_of\\_air\\_show\\_accidents\\_and\\_incidents\\_in\\_the\\_20th\\_century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_air_show_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_20th_century)\n* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\\_of\\_air\\_show\\_accidents\\_and\\_incidents\\_in\\_the\\_21st\\_century](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_air_show_accidents_and_incidents_in_the_21st_century)", "Hey guys, I did an impromptu drag race, but 4 days later someone reported my video to the police and now my licence got suspended.", "Pilots license? What for?", "Going outside is what got OP in trouble tho!", "Wow, the stupid is strong today...", "Yeq, any pilot. Professional or private, knows there are special certifications required to do aerobatics over an airport or congested area. They stress this over and over in flight school lol My dad got in trouble for flying under an overpass on the interstate near where he lived. They take it VERY serious lol", "Oh for sure. And for good reason. Nobody who is a pilot wants anyone out there doing crazy crap that would endanger themselves or others.", "That glider had a lot more maneuverability and lift than I expected.", "but i just found a pitchfork sad sounds", "I wish that was the case in my country as well. Here no one does fox hunts anymore. Maybe once a year as a training exercise. This results in extremely polluted spectrum with various and stupid transmissions as well as noise.", "I don't think a glider has heavy metal blades.... It might be more like someone driving on the freeway at 65mph while texting on their phone....", "I took a cursory look at those links and it seems there have been very few spectator casualties and if preventing casualties is what the rules are made for it seems they can be a bit lenient on someone who didn't know that another license was required. We have 30,000 auto fatalities a year and that doesn't seem to be a problem for anyone...", "Truly. I'm married to a woman, but I want that guy to give me a handjob.", "Are the slide-whistle “whooping” sounds from the air flowing over some parts of the glider as it flies and banks? It embarrassingly took me too long to realize that the pilot would often talk over the sounds and wasn’t making them himself. :)", "Always learning - thanks for sharing the experience with others!", "The Falkland Islands invasion was initially reported by a ham operator (as you probably know, but non-hams probably don't).", "This all happened last year. Bruno is back flying, or at least was though I haven’t seen him post many videos since.", "I knew there was a reason the FAA wasn't going after [American Airlines flying unworthy planes](https://www.flyingmag.com/story/news/aa-unairworthy-aircraft/), they were busy making sure experienced and licensed glider pilots have payed out for an approved airshow performer provision.", "> though I haven’t seen him post many videos since\n\nlesson learned" ]	75	videos	Glider pilot was asked to do an impromptu demo at a car show, and later uploaded the video. Video was reported to the FAA, which resulted in fine + license suspension.
https://youtu.be/Xvt9vcoyipA	/r/videos/comments/qfks4g/lay_all_your_love_on_me_performed_by_a_vampire/	[ "And people thought I was crazy for saying Lay All Your Love on Me sounds like it's from a horror movie!! I'm glad my boy BDG has made it a new Halloween classic.", "and a whole album at midnight", "full halloween album releasing at midnight too per BDG's youtube comment: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrzMhRx_AuP3R2pirI-dder99K1IFdTG3", "It's one of the few ABBA songs in minor", "This is Brian David Gilbert and he is amazing.", "This video gives me [Anything Can Happen on Halloween](https://youtu.be/-FMf8ltkCgM?t=4) vibes\n\n\"HAS ANYBODY SEEN MY TAMBOURINE?\" proceeds to take out his tambourine" ]	6	videos	Lay All Your Love On Me, performed by a vampire
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHqma3rx-xI	/r/videos/comments/qfl21d/james_acaster_is_too_challenging_for_you/	[ "cringe", "Too challenging for you?", "It's his job, too bad!", "Absolutely love James Acaster. His three parts show on Netflix is a great watch (« repertoire »). And he’s making good points here. \n\nWhy is it always the oldest, most successful male comedians like Ricky Gervais and Dave Chapelle who think that being funny and edgy now has to be about putting down less advantaged people like the trans community who are so far removed from them and their life experience as well as their audiences’ (based on the feedback from his latest special, Dave’s audience does not care about Trans people as much as he does). I think both of them have jumped the shark long ago and are just trying to steer controversy to stay relevant, masking out how out of touch with their audiences they’ve become, picking a low hanging fruit while ultimately committing the worst crime for a comedian: forgetting to actually be funny. You can argue it’s a matter of taste, but honestly, Dave’s latest show was a career low. And as far as Ricky Gervais’ i hope his Twitter audience like him.\n\n\nAnd the best thing about this clip is that it’s proof you can actually make jokes on the trans topic that are funny and aren’t transphobic.", "Love it! \n\n\nAnd this was in 2019? The recent thing with Dave Chapelle on Netlfix lead to me cancelling our home subscription.\n\n\nThe discussion in the Netflix Subreddit is also pretty sad to read. People defending Dave Chapelle. Was it three Transgender people that quit/fired from Netflix after voicing their concern about the content?\n\n\nIt's disheartening to see people choose to listen to people who are not affected by those issues instead of those who are.", "I really don't think this joke works very well at all unless you're already familiar with who Acaster is.", "One less dorky, old, white Chrizzo! Bad luck; that's his job. He's a standup comedian: he's meant to challenge people. If you don't like being challenged, don't watch his shows. What's the matter, guy? Too challengin' for ya?", "Maybe the first half where he slags off \"old white dorky Chrizzos\" doesn't work if you don't know him, but I think the meat of the joke (shitting on Ricky Gervais being a transphobic cunt) would still play well.", "who?", "Wow that dude is fucking annoying", "As opposed to doing what exactly lol? They didn't say they were doing anything brave, they're just exercising their right as the consumer to not consume that product anymore.", ">Why is it always the oldest, most successful male comedians like Ricky Gervais and Dave Chapelle who think that being funny and edgy now has to be about putting down less advantaged people like the trans community\n\nThere are plenty of young comedians who make jokes about the trans community and tbh with how strong the backlash is, it isn't going to stop - whenever a group think they are above being made fun of, it's only going to intensify them being made fun of. Whether people like it or not there is still need for a public debate on what trans means and so long as it's not had it's going to be played out in the comedy scene, without saying my position, which is irrelevant, Dave Chappelle's opinions on trans seem to be widely held - if the trans community want to take issue, they should start there.\n\n>Dave’s latest show was a career low\n\nI thought it was funny and actually quite moving.\n\nEdit: I should point out that I haven't once given my views and merely wanted to explain why I think Chappelle's comedy resonates with people and have already been called a transphobe and to 'die in a ditch'. Yikes.", "Really telling that a lot of redditors will stand up for rich people defending other rich people, as long as they cloak it in being a cool bigot.", "Him and Bob are my faves on Would I Lie to You.", "> there is still need for a public debate on what trans means \n\nThere's really not. Just like there isn't a debate to be had about what it means for people to be gay, or for women to do the same jobs as men, or any of the other bullshit issues people will find to push people down in order to push themselves up.", ">There's really not. Just like there isn't a debate to be had about what it means for people to be gay, or for women to do the same jobs as men, or any of the other bullshit issues people will find to push people down in order to push themselves up.\n\nBut there clearly is. Most reasonable people in the west accept gay rights and that women should be equal - but this TERF vs Trans conflict shows that there is still need for debate. Whether it's about the age at which people can choose life-defining surguries/hormone treatement, trans-people's roles in sports, the very definition of what a man/woman means etc. I'm no expert, but there are clearly still lots of people who are undecided on the trans issue, you saying 'no, the debate is over' is why the only people willing to bring it up are comedians.", "Worked for me and I didn't know who he was. He basically explains it right in the beginning that he is a comedian who usually doesn't use swear words.", "There is like one fucking joke about trans people and they tell it over and over again. Trans people don't think they are above being made fun of it just seems like everyone is ganging up on them and yelling something about an attack helicopter being misgendered. It isn't funny, it is old and mean. \n\nI bet there are some really funny takes on some trans issues and living your life as a trans person. But maybe Dave Chappelle shouldn't be the one leading the discussion.", "The side that just wants to live their lives and the side with the word radical in their name aren't equally in need of being heard out in public.", "Sorry, I'm just one of the simple folk that thinks \"if it isn't your body or business, don't have an opinion on it\".", "The only thing less entertaining than successful comedians complaining about cancel culture is less successful comedians complaining about the other comedians complaining.\n\nAlso this has been posted here like 3 times this month at least.", "He’s trying to do a parody of edgy comedians but then immediately breaks character to complain about edgy comedians?", "Yes", "That's not even half the joke though. You need to watch the rest of his shit for this joke to hit its full capability. \n\nBut ya know, fuck watching hours of someone's shit just to get the full context of one 5 min joke haha.", "That's not tolerance, that's indifference.", "That's you just refusing to engage in conversation that isn't going to help. Like the trans athletes in sports issue you can't just say \"my body my buisness\" if it harms others in the process whether that be harm as in its unsporting and unfair to competition or on a more serious note it could be physically dangerous in combat sports.", "Acaster is the best comedian on the scene at the moment. He could sit on stage reading the Yellow Pages and I'd crease myself. His Off Menu podcast with Ed Gamble is very good if you like his stuff.", "> I thought it was funny and actually quite moving.\n\nI was bored. Not 'angry' at what he said about trans people or 'inspired' by his bravery for saying it. Bored out of my mind.\n\nIt was like he forgot pacing and misdelivered every punchline. I could have mistaken him for a newbie comedian.", "I'm sorry I came across as bragging. \n\n\nI really didn't mean to but I'm not sure how to say what I wanted to say? I just put down what I wanted to say into text and kept it simple.\n\n\nWould you happen to know of a better way to write what I wrote?", "> That was even handed. I'm a good person, I treat everyone the same.\n\nThat line got me 😄", "I greatly appreciate your comment! I thought I was going to get into some reddit trouble which might have been too distracting!", "Reddit wants so badly for this guy to become a thing but it isn't working", "Would you mind writing a few paragraphs to explain why trans people are more disadvantaged than black people?", "What did you think about the section on Daphne Dorman?", "You know that the two are not mutually exclusive right?", "I thought the reverse. First part worked for me. Second not so much. Mostly because I think their is a debate about whether trans community should be fair game for comedians. “satire is meant to ridicule power, if you are laughing at people who are hurting it’s not satire, it’s bullying.” \n\nSome would argue with protests and “cancel culture” that the trans community (at least activist community) is not without power. \n\n“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”\n\nI think there are good arguments for both. But as far a Chappelle special, that was a fairly light ribbing not a “transphobic assault”", "The problem really is that making a joke about trans people in itself is seen as transphobic. \"cis male making jokes about a trans person\" will never not be transphobic to certain people, so there is really no way to do it.\n\nComedians like bill burr have like entire specials dedicated to making fun of women for example. Switch those jokes out with trans jokes and it's not ok. That's what bothers some people.\n\nI don't really care about chapelle or gervais, i don't think they're super funny anymore, but the backlash towards them is so over the top. Gervais has said some insane shit about religious people, women, rich people, africans, etc. Not like he's out of character or doing anything he hasn't been doing for 20 years. Same with chapelle.\n\nI can make a joke where the punchline is essentially \"haha women (or men) are kinda dumb\". If the joke is funny, that is totally cool 99% of the time. If the punchline is \"haha trans people are silly\" it's not ok. There are certain groups that are clearly off limits to some people, but for others they don't see the problem. \n\nTo some people, hating on Chapelle for making a joke about trans people is like hating on bill burr for making a joke about women, or kevin hart for making a joke about white people. And i think people need to realize that not everyone has this thought out heirachy of who can make fun of who.", "Ok, I think it's God's will for you to not wear glasses. You were born with the eyes you were given, you should embrace them. Too bad if it doesn't 'feel right,' that's just a illness on your part. What, there is treatment to correct your eyes and make you feel better? With surgical treatment or some kind of tool placed on your nose? The fuck? I miss the days when there were people who can see and people who couldn't. \n\nWe really need to have a discussion what vision impairment means.", "So is it that Dave doesn’t make racist jokes, only transphobic ones? Why not protest his use of the n-word as well. What makes one okay but not the other? If it’s not dictated by a hierarchy of privilege, then what is it?", "I think Chappelle's issue with trans people is really that ONE instance of where he misgendered someone who was having a medical emergency and got fussed at. He talked about it during one of his shows.\n\nIt's pretty pathetic that he's latched onto that so hard. I've misgendered people, and I'm dating a trans man. Misgendering happens ALL THE TIME. Just apologize and move on. You don't have to make a STAND or make a big deal about it.", "lmao your brain fucking sucks man", "You've got nothing to feel bad about. Some people just like to make others feel bad on the Internet.", "Yes who are you not allowed to criticise. Chappelle being paid millions for multiple specials where he bashes the trans community. Yes yes he is not allowed to criticise. Literally not one trans comedian has a special on Netflix or any major streaming service. It's just with social media we are now hearing the voices of the voiceless and we call it censorship. God man does your ass hurt from sitting on the fence so hard?", "Why should bigots and politicians be in charge of those decisions", "Stop playing this dumb game Chappelle wants us to play. It's not a contest.", "What? I’m not sure you’re even able to read my comment, you’re tripping over yourself trying so hard to be offended.", "No, it’s a dialogue, except one group wants to duct tape the other’s mouth and sharpie in the other half.", "Incorrect, he's fucking awesome.", ">No, it’s a dialogue\n\nYou don't believe so. You're making it a content. These are your own words \n\n>Would you mind writing a few paragraphs to explain why trans people are more disadvantaged than black people?\n\nHow is this not making this a contest? \n\n>except one group wants to duct tape the other’s mouth and sharpie in the other half.\n\nYeah, it's Dave defender's who want to ban people from critiquing him.", "Trans jokes r ok but Dave's were transphobic. No celeb is above being critiqued. \n\n>Dave Chappelle's opinions on trans seem to be widely held - if the trans community want to take issue, they should start there.\n\nCritiquing him is a great way to expose societal phobias, because I don't think anyone has ever expressed their homo/trans phobic biases as eloquently as he did. \n\nSplitting this in multiple parts cuz this sub has a character limit \n\n------\n\nHe didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general. He goes out of his way to address the entire LGBTQ community explicitly in his gripes. He said that they act like minorities until they need to act white around Black people, based off one personal bad personal experience. He said 'Trans people make up words to win arguments'. He said the trans are out to get him and he needs to look for adams apples\n\n---\n\nHe used a huge platform to lie about the trans community. He said JK Rowling was cancelled for stating a biological fact. First, she wasn't cancelled. she's still with her publisher, still publishing books with cross-dressing characters who are murderers\n\nSecond, she didn't just state a fact, she has openly befriended and amplified the voices of TERFs on social media, and that she penned a long manifesto expressing the pernicious TERF ideology that trans women might actually be male sexual predators in disguise\n\n----\n\npart 1", "part 3\n\n-----\n\nHe complained 'to what extent am I obligated to participate in your self image'. He has none, but to what extent are they obligated to indulge in the idea that he is beyond criticism? To what extent should they suppress the fact that he is no longer a positive influence in their life\n\n----\n\nHe complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions\n\n----", "This guy is the Steven Crowder for the leftists", "part 4\n\n----\n\nHe blamed the LGBTQ community for taking away Kevin Hart's childhood dream of hosting the Oscars\n\nFirst off, his old jokes were hurtful. Don Lemon did a great job of explaining why. I'm not going to link the youtube videos because that tends to get my comment deleted by the automod, but I'll just mention what to look up on youtube\n\nYoutube Don Lemmon Kevin Hart \n\nAnd Kevin Hart later acknowledges at much, saying that he has grown since\n\nYoutube Kevin Hart apology\n\nBut the issue is that he was adamant in not addressing it twice. But he never apologized the first time. He never apologized in every single interview he did about his hurtful comments prior to the Oscars; he defended himself each and every time until\n\nGoogle the vulture.com article titled \"Where Are Kevin Hart’s Past Apologies? An Investigation\"\n\nIf hosting the Oscars truly was Kevin's childhood dream and giving an apology (and instead lying about previously apologizing) was a boundary, then he has a \"Brittle-ass spirit\" (Dave's phrase for LouisCK victims)\n\nBtw by his own usage of the terminology, Dave tried to 'cancel' Don Lemon\n\nYoutube Don Lemmon responds to Chappelle\n\n-----\n\nDave exclaims 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Chappelle's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Conversion therapy is legal in 30 states. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths\n\n-----", "part 5\n\n-----\n\nRegarding the insinuation that the LGBTQ community responsible for Daphane's death, he didn't mention that she had lost custody of her child shortly before her suicide. Also, he didn't seem at that close as he refused to go to her funeral or 3 memorials of hers when invited. Chappelle seems to be taking the same liberties with her story like the Kevin Hard and Rowling stories. \n\n------\n\nI don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia and transphobia\n\nDave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people'\n\nHe always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complained 'why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name'. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research?\n\nIf his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting\n\nDave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege to wage with his fellow millionaire celebrities", "Says the redditor to another redditor", "You didn't. It was pretty clear you were describing your own reaction. This dude's taking his bad day out on you.", "edit, Part 2 got deleted by the automod, continue to part 3 there\n\nhttps://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfl21d/james_acaster_is_too_challenging_for_you/hi1o64x/", "Yeah but his whole character in his previous stand-ups is pretty much just a little posh boy.", "No, it's respect. \n\nWhat you are showing is indifference to their identity.", "Dave's were objectionably transphobic. I wrote an analysis here\n\nhttps://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfl21d/james_acaster_is_too_challenging_for_you/hi1o19x/", "\| you were just looking for a platform to spread your self-righteousness \n\nThe irony here is palpable lol", "What's the matter TOO CHALLENGING FOR YOU???", "The only thing less entertaining about less successful comedians complaining about other comedians complaining is less successful redditors complaining about well… literally anything", "Says the person with a 9 year Reddit account lol", "lol is that supposed to be an insult?", "Lol what? It's not a refusal to communicate to have a \"live and let live\" attitude. The only ones that need to parse this conversation out are the bigots and the uninformed. And neither are going to adopt a rational position so why bother 🤷‍♂️", "Actually yes", "You did it! Congratulations!! 🎉", "\n>Some would argue with protests and “cancel culture” that the trans community (at least activist community) is not without power. \n\nLol what?? Fucking who?\nNo, you're right. There's definitely a strong, powerful trans group that tells us all what is appropriate to critique and whatnot. Lol imagine believing this.", "Cool non-answer bro", ">if only more people were just like you.\n\nYeah...... If only more like him and less like you 😔", "You're allowed to criticize whoever you like, however if it's deemed as an offensive attack towards a group of people you are also liable to any repercussions from whoever found it offensive. I reckon that's pretty fair", "I fail to see the comparison.", "I read it and I found it asanine. Truly embarrassing. I mean I guess the silver lining is we've progressed so far technologically that even a milk brained half person like you is able to excrete the rectal matter you call your thoughts on to the internet. I think I'll listen to the trans community on what is and isn't harmful towards them. \n\nI mean man you parroted the exact same rhetoric Acaster was making fun of in the video your commenting over. Did you actually have to put in a lot of effort to try to be this stupid. Like do you get up at 6 a.m. ready for the hustle and just start downing turpentine and watching Joe Rogan?", "Do you have to use so many cuss words?", "Exactly. It's up to the official organisations in charge of the various gendered sports to figure out the rules regarding trans athletes, which most of them appear to be doing already.", "> “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize”\n\n[Yeah maybe not the best person to quote] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom)", "[Kevin Alfred Strom](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Alfred_Strom) \n \n >Kevin Alfred Strom (born August 17, 1956) is an American white nationalist, neo-Nazi, Holocaust denier, white separatist, and associate editor of National Vanguard. Strom resigned from National Vanguard in July 2006, but rejoined in 2012.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Yeah I’m kinda with you. Not offended or anything, just kinda think he mailed in a lot of the set.", "No seeing two sides of an issue doesn’t make my ass hurt. Happy. Or you need me to bust out some crayons and sock puppets to explain it…. Bro", "I thought the execution was ham-fisted and I thought the point he was trying to make could have been done much better.", "Sure I'd love to see you dig your hole for all of reddit to see.", "Shit I thought was Voltaire. That’s actually a pretty hilarious goof. Not gonna lie got me in a pickle here…", "> and the uninformed. And neither are going to adopt a rational position so why bother\n\nBeing uninformed doesn't make people incapable of having a rational conversation. I think you're painting with too broad of a brush to forcfully paint a discussion far simpler than it is.", "Fair assessment. I retract the \"uninformed\" statement and will stand by the bigoted aspect.", "That’s a fair point. I am being deliberately contentious. It’s an enticing controversy where I feel as though one side must stumble over proportionally protesting a comedic infraction from one protected group over another. I feel as though they ironically endorse racist humor by back-seating it to their own protest. Coincidentally, I find this additionally funny.", "I'm not sure if you know quite what has happened. I will fill you in.\n\n\nDave Chapelle had some material about transgender people. James Acaster here is talking about transgender being a 'punchline' for comedians in this video. It is very likely the reason why James Acaster has released this little clip from one of their shows on youtube. It is in essence mocking Dave Chapelle and other comedians like him (such as Ricky Gervais).\n\n\nA transgender person spoke to Netflix about the offensive material. They were dismissed and fired.\n\n\n> You're saying this on a video that is literally of Netflix content,\n\n\nThe video clip is from 2019. Dave Chapelle's special is 2021. That might be pretty important to know.", ">Whether people like it or not there is still need for a public debate on what trans means and so long as it's not had it's going to be played out in the comedy scene\n\nLol what?", "Are you aware that Dave is black?", "This must be a reference to the guy and the video but I still have never watched anything by him", "Objectionably transphobic? You mean objectively? I think that's why he kept referring to himself unsarcastically as \"transphobic\".", "And the right would say the same thing \n\nThat’s the comparison", "Was that supposed to be deep and meaningful? Because you're like a dull pencil my man. No one can see your point", "tbh, I don't think a lot of the Dave defenders have actually seen the criticisms, which is ironic because they keep saying 'I bet they haven't seen it'. \n\nNot saying you're doing it in particular.", "yup, fixed, thanks", "> The problem really is that making a joke about trans people in itself is seen as transphobic. \n\nNope. \n\nDave's were objectively transphobic. I wrote an analysis here\n\nhttps://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfl21d/james_acaster_is_too_challenging_for_you/hi1o19x/", "automod ate my last comment so I had to repost it. does /r/videos have some sort of rule against edits? A bunch of my comments were deleted here.", "I don't think it's that big of a deal. I think most people will get the gist, and maybe more people who didn't know who he was will go and search him out, which is great. He is a stellar performer and Repertoire was awesome.", "Save your awfully unfunny one-liners for the people that think James Acaster is entertaining \n\nNow I can see why you’re a fan tho", ">Save your awfully unfunny one-liners for the people that think James Acaster is entertaining \n>\n>Now I can see why you’re a fan tho\n\nAm I a fan?? Geez so glad you're here to let me know. Truth be told I'd never heard of him before this post. I just failed to see how he is in any way relatable to Stephen Crowder, and when I said as such to you when you made that claim, u got butt hurt and sidestepped the question. But okay 👍", "He's already a thing. Pretty popular comedian in the British circuit and regularly gets on pretty much all the panel shows centered around comedians in the UK.", "> Also this has been posted here like 3 times this month at least\n\nIt was posted less than 12 hours a go but good try", "Found the Chriso", "I never enjoyed his comedy in the first place so no. I did however read up on what happened to understand what is going on and why Dave Chapelle is being transphobic.\n\n\nHonest questions and honest answers! But it's not so important to actually watch the show than it is to just listen to the trans community. Which is exactly what Netflix didn't do.", "I’m butt hurt, yet you’re the one writing paragraphs in self-defense \n\nLet’s add “delusional” to the list of traits of James Acaster fans", ">I’m butt hurt, yet you’re the one writing paragraphs in self-defense \n>\n>Let’s add “delusional” to the list of traits of James Acaster fans\n\nLol. Still haven't articulated your point. Coz you don't have one. Got it.", "Let’s add “lack of critical thinking” to the list of traits of James Acaster fans \n\nGet your crayon and point to where I confused you", "... Are.. Are u serious? We've come full circle now? Okay let me try to bring it down to your level so you may comprehend.\n\nYou said he's like Stephen Crowder, and I asked \"how?\"\n\nThis is where we are at. You need it watered down even further? I'm not sure how I can other than to teach you how to read.", "One harasses 19 year olds on random college campus demanding that everyone walking by debate him and the other is a stand up comedian. Your failure to not see how similar they are really shows how out of touch you are with real america. /s", "You never asked “how?” \n\nMaybe learn to write before you start offering to teach ppl how to read \n\nJust another reason why we added “delusion” to your list of traits", ">You never asked “how?” \n>\n>Maybe learn to write before you start offering to teach ppl how to read \n>\n>Just another reason why we added “delusion” to your list of traits\n\nSoo... Human language can be tricky, with things like subtlety and implied context. It's okay. These things are hard. But see, when you make an asinine statement and someone replies \"I fail to understand what you're attempting to say\" this implies that your statement needs more context.\n\nClearly all this is just stalling, because you have no point or reason. Or. You really are an idiot and needed this spoon fed to you.", "to be fair about Ricky... he kind of shits on everybody... a lot. he also isn't out there doing a shit ton of standup specials advertising his views unlike Chapelle and honestly his last special wasn't really hateful so I don't know why people are so extra riled up about it? I don't think it was really funny or anything either but it certainly wasn't worth all the commotion. \n\nThe loud parts of the community freaking out over everything give everybody who wants to shit on them fuel for the fire though. It's a vicious circle where unfortunately any victims need to take the high road. You can see this historically all over the fucking place and idk why especially with the trans community people don't call out the loud minority who are undermining their already very fast social equality progress (compared to like every other fucking group ever).\n\nChapelle and Gervais and others aren't their biggest problem (or even one at all really). Extremists on their own side are, even as a tiny minority along with psychos in power who are a general problem for humanity who hate them and will/do make laws fucking them over.\n\nCan we all stop fucking scapegoating people who say things that hurt your feelings and focus on real goddamn problems that are holding back progress and general equality? jesus fucking christ.", "> He goes out of his way to address the entire LGBTQ community explicitly in his gripes.\n\nhe doesn't go into this himself but honestly the LGBTQ community at large needs to do a better job of calling out the shitty members of their community who undermine their progress constantly and make people like dave feel the way he does.\n\nthat being said 1 bad experience or even a few shouldn't define any group, however it's not really a few negative experiences for a lot of people since the LGBTQ community has some of the loudest and most fucking aggressive \"allies\" and members of any group. it's a huge problem in general for movements today and those voices need to be shut the fuck down by the larger majority or you're essentially letting them speak for you. that's a problem in general. equality and general peace isn't possible if people are looking for a fight and that goes for all sides of every goddamn social interaction ever.\n\nFuck people though. Fuck all groups and communities that aren't a communal \"us\". If we're not in it together and wanting real peace then we might as well fucking give up already.", "chapelle hasn't really been a stand up comic for ages IMO. the guy just tells stories and sometimes they're humorous but honestly he's probably the most overrated \"stand up comic\" maybe ever in the modern days of his career.\n\nthere aren't really punchlines when you don't tell a goddamn joke. might get hate for that opinion but I don't really care lol", "Not really as funny as it is a perfect example of how active oppressors (in that case white supremacists) can make themselves seem like victims when they get valid critiques of their actions. What is actually funny is how much the alt-right loves the anti-trans rhetoric used by Chappelle in his special. Fits right into their recent anti-trans movements (e.g super straight). Great company.", "politicians are who people vote for to put in charge of the laws, and they are supposed to be informed by experts over those decisions, however nobody can agree who should make those decisions because it boils down to identity and that itself is impossible to even define on a metaphysical level as showcased by THOUSANDS OF YEARS of philosophers and great minds who tried to comprehend it.\n\nwe're fucking idiots and don't know what we're talking about honestly. anybody blinding accepting any of this is dumb as fuck and anybody fully rejecting it is also dumb as fuck. identity, and all this other stuff are and have been an ongoing conversation for human history and it's probably never going to stop. people need to chill the fuck out and let it go to focus on more important things but extreme natured people (more visible than ever) are constantly ruining things for all of us.\n\nlaws just need to blanket cover peoples general rights and be expanded to cover all aspects of health and wellbeing for all and we need to convert society to care more about the collective \"us\" but a fuckton of people don't want that so fuck all of us I guess.", "Hey, thanks for the opinion and write-up, truly. It gave me some things to think about but I mostly feel the same way and you having articulated it makes it easier for me to gather my own thoughts in conversations about it. Sincerely appreciated.", "That's a misrepresentation of his work since his comeback. \n\nHis jokes are shitty perspective and then apologia, shitty perspective, apologia. \"I'm transphobic but I was friends with a trans person and it's the trans community that made them kill themselves.\"\n\nMost of it is turned to break groups apart. Like LGBT has more rights than black people. He split up feminists from black rights. \"All men are feminists but feminists aren't sexy\" that's alienating male group identity from feminism. You can't be a cool masculine guy in the group identity and be feminist. He came back opposite from when he left and he's using that cred he had from before to split everyone into little groups to hate each other. That's his job? Maybe it is, That's my conspiracy theory.", "i'd suggest shutting the fuck up if you're prepared to have an opinion on a piece of work without viewing the piece of work itself", "My comment wasn’t rocket science dude. Look up the definition of “pandering” \n\nAfterwards look up the definition of “irony” as you refer to “spoon feeding” someone while simultaneously begging for comprehension of a simple statement\n\nYour ego to intellect ratio is way lopsided, and not in favor of your brain", "> whenever a group think they are above being made fun of, it's only going to intensify them being made fun of.\n\nYeah you are right, the trans community was getting too comfortable and priviliged, they did not have to listen to any sort of criticism for decades, and they rule us normies with an iron fist! \n\n\nMaybe you should actually watch the video before you comment in this thread with you self-flagellating take, dumbass. \n\n\nI really dislike crybullies like you. Making fun of trans people is good and nice but telling the jokers to keep it down and shut up, that is the real tyranny huh? Maybe comedians like you need to be taken down a peg, you obviously think you are above criticism. \n\n\nGo die in a ditch.", "I absolutely love how you take a stance without detailing what that stance is or why. So far we have this ambiguous \"pandering\" to attribute to these two people...one being a stand up comedian, the other a right wing talkinghead. Sure, they're completely different people with entirely different views. But who cares? Not you.", "\"Oops accidentally directly quoted a neo nazi in support of my argument! What a goof!\"", "Thanks, checkout my post history for the missing part 2", "I would have spelled it Crizzo.", ">My comment wasn’t rocket science\n\nTruer words were never spoken my man.", ">he doesn't go into this himself but honestly the LGBTQ community at large needs to do a better job of calling out the shitty members of their community who undermine their progress constantly and make people like dave feel the way he does.\n\nThey been doing well except for the issues inherent in social media, they aren't doing any worse than any other minority. \n\n>Fuck people though. Fuck all groups and communities that aren't a communal \"us\". If we're not in it together and wanting real peace then we might as well fucking give up already.\n\nLet me guess. You're a part of the 'All lives matter' community.", "I have no idea who he is, and I figured I would hate this - but then he ended up calling out the type of comedians I hate, and I loved it!", "man it's fucking ridiculous, i saw chappelle in london last week and it's pretty obvious to anyone who knows his body of work that the guy hasn't got a hateful bone in his body towards any minority or disenfranchised class, he's just sick and tired of seeing people of colour being given the short end of the stick by so called progressive white people.\n\ncan't blame him for being mad. also, the show was fucking hilarious.", "He is also amazing on Taskmaster", "not funny = too challenging?\n\nbrexit woke up", "OK bud", "I honestly don't give a shit about sports. As far as I'm concerned, the priority is just to get people to recognize that trans people are people. The sports stuff is just a strawman.", "Cool thanks for sharing", "A lot of comics grew up with \"edgy\" material and the biggest ones got old, stayed famous, and still tried to be edgy, but it's no longer edgy, society has moved on, all their original talking points are stale, so now they look to the latest thing. But because they're so far removed from normal people they just look for the loudest thing, and inevitably end up shit talking people who are being targeted in society.", "The sports stuff isn't a strawman it's a completely different issue. You're here trying to change the opinion of someone who already agrees with you on the broader issue. I don't have any issue with trans people existing and being who they want to be.", "So you have made a 5-part comment about how Chappelle's show was transphobic, but this wasn't what I was talking about - I'm saying that a social conversation about trans people still needs to be played out, and unfortunately whenever a topic is broached an outspoken representative or 'ally' steps in to make the same arguement you've made to either defame or stop the debate. I said that his comedy focussed on trans-issues because of a societal question not being resolved - your knee jerk reaction was to demonstrate how he is transphobic... You're doing exactly what he said. \nAs long as these questions remain, and as long as the LGBTQ community remains one of the most toxic communities (online), people will make offensive jokes. I'm not saying it's right, but it's true. \n\nAdditionally, Chappelle described himself as a 'TERF' in his show, I think he simplified what it actually means, but nontheless described himself as one. I would say that whilst currently most in the west are indifferent to trans-rights, when pushed and questioned, I think most people would actually agree with the TERF perspective. This is why Chappelle's show resonates with quite a few people, it's the old 'he's saying what I'm thinking' or 'what I'm not allowed to say'.\n\n I have to say, I will always empathize with anyone trans and respect them and how they wanted to be treated - but I found each and every one of your points quite unconvincing, to say Chappelle not attending Dorman's funeral proves he is simply using her memory for his own advantage seem particularly callous.", "Me too except instead of James my favorite is Bob Mortimer", "This is so condescending lol", "I didn't state my opinion once.", "Comedy often deals with issues in society that many don't feel comfortable talking about. This is news to you?", "Don’t worry they didn’t cancel their Netflix subscription. They didn’t do anything besides write a comment online. They’ll continue using their friends account for free as well.", ">Maybe comedians like you\n\nUh... what? You realise... I'm not Dave Chappelle right? \n\n>Go die in a ditch.\n\nRighty-ho", "I'm no bigot FYI. I have a live and let live attitude and want trans people to have every right as any other person on earth. But, atleast some, trans people don't want the right to be free to be trans and have the same rights as everyone else. They want to be classified fully, without any asterisk, as their gender of choice, and that causes some of the rights to \"live and let live\" to be infringed upon for other people. I as a \"cis heterosexual male\" have the right to not want to have sex with a trans person as is my right to my own preference , the same as women in combat sports don't have to accept being dominated by a a trans female that possibly has additional hormones and muscle structure be pending on when they transitioned. Those are just two points that I constantly hear trans activists argue are bigoted but aren't. If everyone else has the right to sexual preference then why shaming cis heterosexual men for theirs?", "Ofcourse they are, that doesn't mean the conversation on it shouldn't be allowed and we should be able to discuss the implementation of these rules. How does that make everyone who discuss this a bigot?", "Do you think society feels uncomfortable talking about trans people? There are countless bills attacking trans people across the U.S and the rest of the world. There's tons of conversation about trans people. The idea that Chapelle is the only one talking about this is laughable. Half the backlash is that trans people feel there's already too many cis people talking about them.", "Out of curiosity, did you watch the special?", "Classic Crisco spelling", "Was he harassing people? I thought he just put up a table and wrote his opinion on a sign with an offer to debate and people came of their own accord and debated. \n\nHonest question and for the record, I don't like Crowder at all.", "The fuck you talking’ about?", "It's more than that honestly, it's a very strange inability to understand intersectionality when it comes to marginalized groups and how fighting to end one struggle does not mean the others are worse for it. So much of his language when it comes to social issues supports this now. It sucks to see because he was and is still VERY good and poignant when he talks about black issues in his comedy. But then immediately after will go on an angry tangent about how LGBTQ+ issues are taken more seriously than black issues today. Which there might be some truth there but no sane person is keeping score on who's oppressed more. Though even if that was the case he ignores the fact that people will obviously be quicker to empathize with a problem that effects someone no matter what color their skin is vs those that are more targeted. It really feels like he has a big issue with the fact that black issues are still just horrible in this country despite centuries of black commentators/activist/etc... words. So instead of getting angrier at the people who perpetuate these issues he takes it out on groups he should see as allies in the fight against oppression and marginalization. \n\nHe's alluded to the idea that he thinks hispanic issues are not as important as black issues, or at least that they're not on the same level. He constantly perpetuates the idea that the LGBTQ+ community is somehow separate and hurting because of trans issues becoming more prevalent in recent times. He talks about how feminism, especially \"white\" feminism is annoying and bad and a distraction. It's sad how he seems so ready to divide all of these groups to fight their own fights and stop interrupting \"his\". Despite the fact they all suffer from similar deeply rooted core issues that our society has perpetuated for thousands of years (call it the patriarchy if you want). Instead of using his voice and platform to push for all these groups who struggle, he punches down and sideways in an feigned attempt to gain progress for things more pertinent to him. \n\nI would like to say I don't think Dave is a transphobe in the traditional sense, he's just dumb on these issues. Which is still bad as what he says is just as harmful as the words that come from loud and proud transphobes like Shapiro or Crowder. Which is ironic as now these people are supporting him when in the same breath they will completely shit on his stance on black issues, so in the end he's helping no one but the exact people he shouldn't be.", "Probably that it was a bit of a mess with some incredibly well crafted jokes scattered among some absolute shit, like all his stand up", "I like James Acaster on other shows, love the Off Menu podcast, but think his stand up (which I’ve seen live a couple of times) can be extremely hit and miss - not a huge criticism, it’s basically impossible to do a whole hour that everybody finds consistently hilarious.\n\nI am delighted though that he’s using the opportunity (whether you think he’s doing it for clout or not) to namecheck Gervais for being a lazy unfunny prick", "TIL that everyone on Reddit has to know who every person in every video is, before a video is approved for sharing by the Reddit Mods", "The episode where he lost it because Greg \"showed favouritism\" had me in tears.", "> stop the debate.\n\nWriting a 5 part post is stopping the debate. Got it. \n\n>your knee jerk reaction was to demonstrate how he is transphobic..\n\nBecause he was. If you disagree, fine. But you're arguing that I should silence my criticism. \n\n>people will make offensive jokes. \n\nAnd people will call them out on that. Why are you adamant about silencing them. \n\n> 'he's saying what I'm thinking' or 'what I'm not allowed to say'.\n\nSure, it's a great opportunity to expose societal phobias. \n\n>but I found each and every one of your points quite unconvincing, \n\nok. Let me know if you can form a logical response to express why you feel that way. Or if it's just a feeling.", ">I just find it amazing that people are so offended about something they haven't even seen.\n\nWell, Dave has a history of this, but I find that people who haven't seen the special didn't really give a whole lot of thought towards it. If they make a single comment on social media and move onto other stuff, it's understandable. \n\nI don't need to watch every Ben Shapiro video to know what's it's probably going to be about. But if I would put an extended amount of effort on a particular video, then yeah, I would definitely need to watch it. \n\nWhich is why I find it so amazing some of Dave's biggest defenders keep saying 'Anyone who thinks it's phobic didn't watch it'. When there's detailed breakdowns just a 2 second google search away.", "Jumped... The shark.... Flips open notepad gonna need to hold on to that one.", "Not really but morons gonna moron.", "Pretty much sums up a Reddit user right here, perfect.", "These people don't see anything outside the US as real", "I can't imagine liking a comedian so much that I need to defend all their takes online and stand up for them, even if I thought the backlash against them was unjustified.", "´Jumping the shark is an idiom that was coined in 1985. It is used when a creative outlet or work appears to be making a misguided attempt at generating new attention or publicity for something that is perceived to be once, but no longer, widely popular.’", "This is basically what happens to all movements. I'd note that it's just human nature rather than a criticism of the movements themselves.\n\nWhat underpins the idea of LGBT rights, feminism, men's liberation, trans rights, black power, socialism, and so on is equality. Thousands of academics and philosophers and political thinkers flesh it out, justify it, and try to kick off movements supporting it.\n\nThen people think \"hey I'm a member of that group! I do deserve more rights\" and flock to the banner. We then assume that these people love equality because they've joined the cause when the reality is they just love the things that cause provides. The workers of Petrograd couldn't give a fuck about Marx, but they sure love weekends and bread. The feminists of MegaCorp don't give a fuck about the abolition of gender, but they do love being promoted and given managerial roles.\n\n\nSo then we have Dave Chapelle who is black, so obviously he wants black rights, equality, power. The idea that this then makes him anything other than self-interested and that he 'should' be an ally to others is a misunderstanding of his whole reasoning in the first place.\n\n\nAgain - this isn't a criticism of those movements nor of the people who join them. It's frustrating to witness as someone who does want to integrate them all into one cohesive bloc, but it's much better to be practical than utopian about it. We cannot assume support from everyone who's ever been oppressed.", ">If the punchline is \"haha trans people are silly\" it's not ok.\n\nI think you've stumbled onto the problem and I'm not sure you see it. Have you recently gone back to 2000s comedy with people making gay jokes and feel a sense of \"yikes\"? The difference is someone being the butt of the joke just for something about them that they can't control, and being a group that is discriminated against at that. Its the difference between someone like Acaster mentioning jokes about trans people (where the butt of the joke are comedians) vs a joke about looking out for adams apples, or subscribing to being a TERF (which literally has trans exclusionary in its name). \n\nLike, its not hard to jog your memory back to people jokingly saying \"oh, we shouldnt change clothes in the same room ey you might get too excited\" to a gay person. To some people that is funny and harmless, to others it categorises gay people as universally predatory", ">Writing a 5 part post is stopping the debate. Got it.\n\nBelieve it or not, I don't think societal change comes from debating on reddit.\n\n>But you're arguing that I should silence my criticism. Why are you adamant about silencing...\n\nNope, didn't argue that once. I'm not silencing anyone... I'm saying that the questions many have surrounding transgender people haven't been answered adequately yet. I am not looking to you to answer them or randomly decide to provide us with your analysis of a comedy show.\n\n> it's a great opportunity to expose societal phobias.\n\nAnd describing them as phobias is an easy way to discredit them. \n\n>Let me know if you can form a logical response to express why you feel that way. Or if it's just a feeling.\n\nWhy bother? What will that achieve? I was interested in discussing why Chappelle's show resonates with many people, not some opportunity for you to write an essay on how he is transphobic - this is the majority perspective presented in news media, if I wanted an analysis I will turn to verified authorities, I'm not looking to some random redditor.", "I don't see the problem with those jokes either, and people make tons of gay jokes nowadays and it's not a problem. It's a joke. People don't make up their political opinions because of jokes.\n\nSociety was homophobic in the 80s and 90s, but that wasn't because comedians were making jokes about it. If anything that just normalizes the thing they're joking about. A joke is something you don't mean most of the time. And i don't think jokes have any effect ever on anything real in society, it just shows you were society currently is.", "> it’s proof you can actually make jokes on the trans topic that are funny and aren’t transphobic\n\nCheck out Eddie Izzard's Dress To Kill show. Still one of my favorite comedy shows of all time.", "I absolutely love how hypocritical this clip is and how it’s being used as a way to bash Chappelle. As long as we shit on the right people, everything is great. Fuck old people, right? Those pieces of shit.", "Why ask? They didn’t watch it.", "Did you watch the special?", "Perfect illustration of how Chapelle fans are more easily offended than the trans community.\n\n« We laugh at jokes against marginalised communities but we draw the line at attacking successful, extremely rich comedians! »", "I don’t understand your point. I’m not defending Chappelle. Just pointing out that you’re a hypocrite and so is James Acaster. He can still be funny. Didn’t say he wasn’t. As long as we shit on the right people, it’s ok to you.", "It’s a term coined after a later episode of Happy Days where Fonzie did a water-skiing jump over a shark. As the show aged, its plots grew more and more ridiculous in an attempt to stay relevant. Now the term is meant to describe a show or entertainer who is desperately trying to remain relevant with outlandish plots or antics.", "That it was pathetic for him to use a dead woman to defend his shit jokes.", "Lol… you completely missed the point of the clip. You are the perfect illustration of his last argument regarding treating « victims and bully the same ».\n\nThis joke flying so far above your head Elon musk wanna buy it.", ">Comedians like bill burr have like entire specials dedicated to making fun of women for example. \n\nWhen you come out with nonsense like this, for me it negates anything you write after, just FYI.", "I didn’t miss the point of the joke. There was nothing clever about saying “I hate old people.” Just funny you’re so quick to defend a comedian. \n\n“We laugh at jokes shitting on a neglected and abused group, but we draw the line at calling a successful, extremely rich comedian a hypocrite.” \n\nIt’s ok if you pick and choose which groups are ok to attack, right?", "You are literally proving what Acaster is saying. And yes, as a comedian with a massive platform, you are \\allowed\\ to shit on anyone. But Acaster is making the very good point that shitting on an oppressed, marginalised community is pretty shitty, and not particularly funny. The best comedians punch-up, not down. And even, better, Acaster makes this great point in a very funny way.", "\"If anything that just normalizes the thing they're joking about.\" \n\n \nYeah, thats the point; is it normalizing gay people in society or gay people being seen as predatory? like joking about rape is not funny to a lot of people. Did the comments like \"wow thats so gay\" really lead to people being ok with gay people or is it more that we became ok with gay people and the jokes stopped being acceptable? I'm pretty sure its the latter. Same for racists jokes; they normalize a certain behaviour or bias towards a marginalized group. \n\nYou might not see a problem wih that joke but if the overwhelming stream of them is \"gay people are bad, rapey, only thinking about sex\" (and that was the case before not long ago) then yeah, thats messed up and I can totally understand why it isnt funy to a lot of people (regardless of all other components of the comedy) \n\nLet me explain another way; Im Spanish. If I watched a comedian make fun of Spain, and our weird idiosyncracies, thats not a big deal. If I watch a Northern European talking about how lazy we are and how we steal from them then that would piss me off. Now, I don't have to deal with my identity being challenged or looked down by people every day, but if I did I would probably be more guarded about what I consider an ok joke. \n\nAll in all, Acaster said it best; \"Oh yeah, cause you know whose been long overdue a challenge? Trans people\"", "He literally punched down on the most vulnerable members of society. You’re just ok with jokes about some groups and not others.", "Does anyone know the Ricky Gervais bit he's referencing?", "I don't think that making a joke about a certain topic automatically means that you're phobic, even if it is at someone's expense.", "Who said « I hate old people »? What are you talking about? Nobody’s said that, if anything this argument with you is making me feel more sympathetic to senile people.", "What are you even saying? That old people are comparable to groups like trans people? That's ridiculous. \n\n\nAnd yes, I am ok with jokes about some groups and not others. I'm not saying it should be made illegal, but I wouldn't choose to watch a transphobic or racist comedian. And I enjoy comedians using their platform for good like James Acaster does. This is how progress happens in society.", "The 'too challenging for you' part of this 5min clip has full jokes in it, so yeah it does work.", "Did you even watch the clip or do you just read hand selected lines of dialogue and go from there? “I’ve attracted a demographic I hate. A bunch of old people and Christians.” He literally starts his special this way.", "I never said that. \n\nPretty hypocritical to pick and choose who is allowed to have jokes about them, don’t you think?", "\"I have many black friends\"", "Further confirmation you stopped watching the video 1 minute in.", "do you just throw random words together when you type?", "Nah, I watched the whole thing. \n\nAre you saying that one line taken out of the context of the show is not indicative of the thoughts of the comedian?", "How's it hypocritical? And I never said 'allowed'. I just said I'm not Ok with it. Why are you getting so offended by that concept?", "Am I suppose to look up the bio of every stand up comedian, and then ask them what the content is going to be about?", "“This is how progress in society happens” implies that some groups are off limits when it comes to comedy. You wouldn’t have a problem with jokes about Christians, old people, kids, or fat people. But dammit, how dare he say something about LGBT.", "Series 7 is the best imo. You couldn't have picked a better lineup - they all had some incredible moments.", "I've never been a huge Podcast fan, but Off Menu is absolutely an exception to the rule. Out of what, 120? I can only count the subpar episodes on one hand.", "I suggest you might want to listen to Trans people?\n\n\nThis is the exact kind of reddit comments I was talking about.", "It is possible to not hate a group of people but still say offensive things because of a lack of understanding.", "POPPADOMS OR BREAD /U/STEREOWORLD? POPPADOMS OR BREAD?", "[In american accent] Puppadups?", "Jokes about some groups clearly aren't off limits as Dave Chapelle and Ricky Gervais have shown. I just believe laughing at some groups who have a pretty shit time of it is not very funny or nice and I don't particularly want to join in on that.", "No one is saying that trans jokes in general are phobic, it's just that Dave's jokes were", "Can you please link to a specific joke you find transphobic?", "What do you think about Daphne's close friend and roommate speaking out against Dave Chapelle and his insistence that they were friends and that it was LGBTQ bullying that killed her?", "👆 found one", "Pretty sure Gervais made a bunch of anti-Trans comments/jokes and then went with the usual \"Can't even make a joke anymore!\" bit.", "How would I link to a Netflix special?", "I'm asking for specifics.", "There are plenty of YouTube clips from all of Dave's specials.\n\nIf you can't provide any more detail than \"all of it\", it doesn't make your position seem very strong.", "[Here you go.](https://www.indiewire.com/2020/01/ricky-gervais-transphobic-tweets-explained-1202200499/)", "It's pretty sad if the main defense I've heard on why Chappelle's latest special was good is because \"He has a point about trans people/cancel culture\" and not \"I thought it was funny\".", "So if I'm understanding this correctly, a cis woman posted on a troll Twitter about being MTF, Ricky poked fun of her, and that's transphobic?", "He's been a staple of UK comedy for years now. Just because someone hasn't made it in your shit country doesn't mean he ain't made it.", "Age of the trans gay right rights, every fucking show needs a gay/bi character and no one can poke fun without being a jerk", "It seems to be more of a history of jokes like that, not this one in particular. And about his reaction that can be summarized by OP's video.", "Such as?", "'Like you' means that have your sensibilities when it comes to slagging transpeople. In that regard you are their equal, evne though you are not talented in comedy in any other way. \n\n\n>Righty-ho\n\nOh you don't think that is funny? I hope you don't think you are above being a target, because that would mean you deserve even more coming your way, right?\n\n\n\nYou don't understand the 'in order to figure out who rules you, figure out who you can't make fun of' principle one iota: that is about legal repercussions and force from powerfull entities liek the church or state. \n\n\n\nTranspeople aren't a good target because they are the weakest of the weak socially speaking and making fun of them from a position of privilige isn't funny. You are not being punished or retaliated against, you are being told your sense of humour is not funny.", "I mean, saying he’s on “Team TERF” is pretty blatant, is it not?", "I don't know what \"Team TERF\" is or the context in which it was used. Do you have a link?", "It’s on his new special. Can’t find a youtube clip ATM, but here is an [article talking about it](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/10/05/dave-chappelle-terf-defends-j-k-rowling-netflix-special/6002017001/)", "It's linked in the article.", "I think the article also lacks a lot of context.\n\nIn the special, Dave also tells a very touching story about a friend of his who was trans.\n\nYou could argue that just because he said he had a trans friend doesn't preclude him from being transphobic, but that works both ways. Just because he said something you feel is transphobic doesn't mean he actually is.\n\nThat is the nature of performing art on a stage. I've performed comedy on stage for years. Much of what is said is complete bullshit and does not reflect on who the performer is as a person.\n\nNo one would suggest that Leonardo di Caprio is a virulent racist because he played one in Django. I don't understand why more people don't realize that stand up comics are performing in the same manner that any stage or film actor is.", "Masterful job. Impressed by this guy", "Getting strong \"old man yells at cloud\" vibes here.", "This is classic internet dick headed material. I bet in person you are very polite and understanding.\n\nPhony.", "the rest of his stand-up is pretty funny. this wasn't.", "Rhods moments of silence for doing something absolutely insane is the best.", "I suggest shutting the fuck up you moral outrage bandwagonning cretin", "You're a moron that gets outraged and offended and then offers opinions on a comedian's stand-up set you haven't even watched.\n\nEat a dick bozo.", "I can't find the bit on YouTube, but I believe this is what is being referenced.\n\n[https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/pride/fast-lane/article/2018/03/14/ricky-gervais-new-comedy-special-includes-transphobic-opening-monologue](https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/pride/fast-lane/article/2018/03/14/ricky-gervais-new-comedy-special-includes-transphobic-opening-monologue)", "https://www.reddit.com/user/CockGoblinReturns\n\nThis user gives a through breakdown on specific jokes/statements and the larger impact they have. Knock yourself out", "I didn't ask to hear someone's opinion of what Dave said.\n\nI asked for a link to a piece of his performance that you find problematic.", "> Why is it always the oldest, most successful male comedians\n \nBecause they're old and successful. Just like your grandpa who still calls people \"colored\", old people tend to age out of touch with social progress. Most old people just don't get to explore their ignorance and antiquated beliefs in front of a huge audience.", ">I think both of them have jumped the shark long ago and are just trying to steer controversy to stay relevant, masking out how out of touch with their audiences they’ve become\n\nDo you honestly think either of them would struggle to have a hugely successful comedy tour if they didn't tell the jokes you are referring to?", "So his rhetoric is permissible only due to his condition. Therefore, had Dave been trans there would be no criticism of his trans jokes. You don’t have a problem with what was said, only who said it?\n\nOr option 2 is that he said bad things that should not be said, but that only applies to the trans jokes. Therefore you are endorsing racist jokes. \n\nWhich is it?", "> Acaster is the best comedian on the scene at the moment. He could sit on stage reading the Yellow Pages and I'd crease myself.\n\nThe absolute state of comedy right now", ">Therefore, had Dave been trans there would be no criticism of his trans jokes\n\nIf Dave had been trans, he wouldn't be making these jokes.", "It's also annoying because it's not like they're doing these masterfully written jokes or something.. it's not even great jokes they're making in the first place, just \"making jokes\" and shitting on people isn't exactly a thing I understand defending so much. If it was some insanely clever wordplay or something, or some fantastic twist, or a genuinely original thought, I'd get defending it.. but the jokes aren't even funny.. or original. And I love Dave, and I think he's a great comedian, but I just didn't get why he feels this is the hill to die on lol", "And I gave you a link to someone that literally does that. You aren't looking to have a genuine discussion and it's painfully obvious. You're looking to discredit or delegitimize critiques.", "Wow. That was very hard to read and believe a real life human actually put that word salad together.", "No, you did not.\n\nWhat you did was link a random Reddit user giving their opinion on what Dave said and linking to other people talking about their opinion of what Dave said.\n\nI'm not interested in hearing second hand accounts of other people recounting what they remember Dave saying and what they think it means.\n\nI am interested in hearing the actual material itself from Dave, so I can form my own opinion.\n\nThe fact that you can't or won't provide a link to a single joke that you apparently find offensive considering the \"whole Netflix special\" being transphobic makes it seem like you're afraid that someone who actually sees the special for themselves firsthand won't think it's transphobic unless you can frame it that way.\n\nI'm very willing to have an open, good faith discussion, but you are avoiding the simplest task of just actually showing me what was so bad.", "> There are countless bills attacking trans people across the U.S\n\n\nName 2.", "From yesterday: https://www.texastribune.org/2021/10/25/texas-transgender-students-sports/\n\nFrom earlier this year: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/arkansas-passes-bill-ban-gender-affirming-care-trans-youth-n1262412", "So you stand with people who are refusing the covid vaccine then right?", "I watched it, as with all of his Netflix specials, and thought that one was shit, generally a decline in them in the past 2-3 years imo. \n\nAnd a critique isn't \"canceling\" someone.", "I wouldn't say I'm offended is the correct phrase, if you are referring to me, however I do care about the trans community. Enough to have listened to them and understand the challenges they face. The hardships they go through. Also I don't use Netflix that much so it isn't difficult to tune it off (So it's not like I'm making a huge statement)\n\n\n\nInterestingly in all of the comments which appear to much, by comparison to my own, more hostile. None of those comments seem to really explain why Dave Chapelle isn't being transphobic. Nobody also seems to quite understand that it is possible to say you support a community but not actually do anything to support them. This is actually a re-occuring meme in transgender subreddits.\n\n\nIt's also worth noting that people who are transgender can also still be transphobic. It's a bigger problem than you might think and it certainly isn't a problem that many people know about outside of the community. Caitlyn Jenner is a fine example. It's hard to imagine that she would support Republican poltical points considering how the limit the rights for transgender people (fired from Government jobs / Denying their ability to serve in the military among the most well known issues).\n\n\nAll in all. Reading a bunch into it. The biggest thing is probably what the Netflix CEO said. Which is apparently this;\n\n\n\"Yes, The Closer could cause real-world harm, but trans people will just have to get over it.\"\n\n\nNow this likely won't appear in Dave Chapelle's 'The Closer'. The issues involving what masking is likely don't appear. To which I assume people might ask \"What is masking?\" followed by \"What does masking have to do with Dave Chapelle's comedy stand up?\". And that's just because people don't understand the context surrounding the show.\n\n\n\nAnd then we loop back round to James Acaster's clip here, which based on the timing of it has to be because of what has happened, is exactly what we're talking about. Now the bit that James Acaster repeats loudly;\n\n\n\n\"BAD LUCK! THAT'S MY JOB! I'M A STANDUP COMEDIAN, I'M MEANT TO CHALLENGE PEOPLE! IF YOU DON'T LIKE BEING CHALLENGED, DON'T WATCH MY SHOWS! WHAT'S THE MATTER, GUYS? TOO CHALLENGING FOR YAH?\"\n\n\nDave Chapelle's response to the criticism was not exactly great.\n\n\n\n\"To the transgender community, I am more than willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me. I am not bending to anyone's demands. And if you want to meet with me, I am more than willing to, but I have some conditions. First of all, you cannot come if you have not watched my special from beginning to end. You must come to a place of my choosing at a time of my choosing, and thirdly, you must admit that Hannah Gadsby is not funny.\"\n\n\n\nBasically he is saying that nobody can criticise them unless they watch the show. Which is \n\n1) \"You can only criticise me if you support me!\" . Not a great message.\n\n\n2) Gives his fan base a way to shut criticism down by creating a barrier of entry for discussion. Note : Check how many people didn't even talk about what Dave Chapelle isn't transphobic and instead just made comments shutting down someone down who is open to discussion.\n\n\n3) Treats his messaging within the show as if it was taken out of context. It doesn't take much reading up to understand why what he said is harmful. But also, in reference to what James Acaster is saying, exactly the problem. Transgender people are constantly under fire. Why write material where they are the punchline once again?\n\n\nJames Acaster : \"Awh yeah because you know who is long overdue a challenge. The trans community\".\n\n\nAll in all. What a bizzare situation. We shouldn't have to dive to deep and analyse so much. A trans representative at Netflix voiced concerns, was ignored then fired. Yet everyone comes to the rescue of Dave Chappelle. Which again is exactly what James Acaster highlights.\n\n\"Fuck off! Leave Ricky Alone! Oh this is classic liberal bullshit! Oh what I can't make fun of transgender people anymore but its fine for you to gang up on Ricky Gervais is it?\"\n\n\nI suppose there is a lot more to say but it is time to go to work!", "I mean, to me, if you're making fun of someone else, you're punching low. Period. Regardless of their social, sexual or economic status. You're commenting on someone who can't defend themselves on a platform that has the potential to influence others. \n\nJust because the target is X or Y doesn't change the intent which is to belittle or point fun at someone else. This is objectively a mean thing to do and always has been and always will be. But if the right audience is around, and there's truth to what you say, even the target of the joke can find humor in it. \n\nSo basically, either you draw a line or you don't. And it seems like the crowd supporting Dave does not want a line drawn at all. Everything is fair game and labeling one group as bullies, only rallies people of another group to become the bully to those they disagree with. \n\nIt's kinda easy to see this trend evolve if you've scoured the comment sections. It only takes 1 or 2 replies for people to assume everything they need to know about someone else from a few words typed.", "I don't blame you, constantly killing his own people and blasting missiles into the sea of Japan.", "Too challenging for you?", "Two things\n\n1. Getting the covid vaccine is choice, VS being trans which is just who you are\n2. No I don't stand with them. When you refuse the covid vaccine (or any vaccine) you're creating a risk for everyone else on society. Any one person's freedom shouldn't stomp on everyone else's.\n\nSo yeah, it's not the same thing at all.\n\nEDIT: Yep, took a look through your post history and it's just chock full of transphobic shit. This is why I don't want to \"debate\" about issues - I just want to tell people to go fuck themselves.", "Why do you think either of those attacks trans people?", "...", "> Sorry, I'm just one of the simple folk that thinks \"if it isn't your body or business, don't have an opinion on it\".", "Will you give a useful answer or is this it? I suspect that your stance is based on unproved and perhaps unprovable assertions, but I'm always interested in a new argument for a position.", "> TERF (which literally has trans exclusionary in its name). \n\nThat's not an endonym, I hope you realise this", "The best for me was when Rhod closed the garage door when building the addition to the house.", "> I suspect that your stance is based on unproved and perhaps unprovable assertions\n\nYou didn't engage with the response you already got.", "Your response was \"...\". There is nothing to engage.", "His jokes revolving around the bathroom law is implicitly transphobic. Saying he's \"looking for Adam's apples and knuckles\" is really dehumanizing. Blaming the death of Daphne on the LGBTQ community is disingenuous and the way he utilized Daphne to deflect criticism of his transphobic comments in the past while treating her like shit IRL is pathetic and hypocritical. Claiming that trans people are only trans until they need to be white again ignores the intersectionality of these sociopolitical constructs and the very real history black trans people have in creating movements. \n\nAll of that is in his latest special. And no, it's clear you aren't willing to have an honest discussion because you're setting up a condition where you're looking for someone to link a specific segment (which other people have already done and referenced) so you can say \"actually, no. It isn't transphobic\" instead of listening to what people are actually saying. If you actually read the profile that I'd link you'd understand why everyone is rightfully criticizing Dave.", "You replied to a comment with two links. If you don't think those are clear attacks, then you're a fool.", "I asked specifically in what way you think they are attacks. \"Gender affirming care\", in particular where that includes intervention in the hormonal system of people, has recently come under severe scientific scrutiny, including of the institutions in Europe that originally developed the protocols, and is no longer considered best practice by a number of medical authorities. I don't think banning a medical practice is necessarily the correct way to go about it, but the desire to protect children from potentially harmful treatments that are increasingly understood to be not even fit for purpose is not an attack on trans people. \n\nSimilarly, regulating high school sports such that trans people are allowed to participate in their sex group is not an attack on trans people, it's affirming the sex segregation of sports. \n\nNow, can you explain how either is an attack, please?", "Do believe Republicans genuinely care about children's health, anywhere in this country?", "Ok so option 2, your opinion is that the trans jokes were simply more vitriolic than the racist jokes. “Clifford the big red n***” is a perfectly reasonable thing to say. “I’m team TERF” is a bannable offense. Does that seem balanced to you?", "Surely something isn't an attack because of who said it, but what is said? Generally, I think Republicans genuinely care to avoid direct harm to children. A more general concern for the well-being of children isn't something I'd ascribe to Republican policy, but I think the individual Republican politicians and supporters would think that they do genuinely care about children (i.e. they are wrong rather than malicious where that applies).", ">Surely something isn't an attack because of who said it, but what is said?\n\nIt absolutely is if there's no genuine concern for children's healthcare in the rest of their policy. It's a culture war.", "That's just nonsense you don't believe. If the Republicans legislated that every trans person were to get a thousand dollars every month as a special social money transfer to alleviate financial strain, you'd be confused, but you wouldn't call that an attack.", "2000 word diatribe that will never be read because you're yet to understand that absolutely nobody gives a fuck about your viewpoint when you're openly admitting your aversion to doing the most basic research on the subject (watching the special)\n\nif you wanna strip away context from every comedian then norm macdonald hates the gays, larry david hates jews and james acaster hates old people\n\nyou're a dunce and i hope you get off reddit so there isn't a chance of me stumbling across your dumbass again", ">That's just nonsense you don't believe\n\nI absolutely do. Republicans don't give a shit about the health of children. There's far more studies about the dangers of high school football, why aren't they banning that?", "Your style of discussion is so incredibly dishonest it's impressive. You know very well, because that's explicitly what I stated, that my claim is that you do not actually believe, as you claimed (because you quoted* the question you answered), that what is an isn't an attack is delineated by the identity of the source of the statement.", "I'm sure it was when you have the reading comprehension of a 5th grader, want me to explain it to you?\n\nWhen other people get good thing, that does not mean less good thing for you. You can all have good thing and should all help each other get good thing.", "it's his comedy special that came out a couple of years ago. He did a bit about being a trans monkey or something like that", "Meh, UK comedy, what even is that lmao", "That's fine, still won't watch this weird sunglass douche", "Link please.\n\nIf I were posting anti-vaxx conspiracy theories and misinformation, you'd certainly ask me for a source.\n\nThat's all I'm asking from you.", "Link?", "No. You can watch the fucking special yourself. I'm not going to timestamp when those jokes were said, I'm not going to spoonfeed someone who's playing mental gymnastics of trying to delegitimize criticism on the shaky grounds that they don't have a minute marker attached to them. Everything I said is in the special. It's a fact. Watch it yourself if you really care, but we both know it's not about \"links\" and you're being disingenuous as fuck. Also hilarious that you're trying to equate this to anti-vax conspiracy shit when the source for the claims are easily accessible on Netflix, and you don't want to do the work of actually watching something to respond to criticisms of it.", "Whether what you've said about the special or not is \"true\" isn't my point.\n\nMy point is that people's memory is not perfect. The two examples you provided lack any context. They could be ignoring nuance.\n\nThere is no reason I should just take a random stranger on the Internet's word for it.\n\nAll I have ever asked is for you to provide an example of the material you found transphobic directly from Dave without someone analyzing what he said or putting words in his mouth.\n\nYou have repeatedly avoided that very simple request. It seems to me that you are not fully invested in having an open,good faith discussion.\n\nAnd much like my anti-vaxx scenario, you shriek at me to \"do my own research\" while continually ignoring my polite request for a source for your claims.", "Lol go to www.netflix.com, login, and then search for The Closer by Dave Chapelle. This really isn't that fucking hard to understand. Netflix takes down all videos stolen from their streaming service and put on another. I'm literally giving you the fucking source, you're either too lazy or too unintelligent to put in the bare minimum effort of watching something. There is no lapse in memory or lack of context. Because guess what? The source is really easy to access and verify.", "it's in his netflix special humanity. The first few minutes. I couldn't find any clips on youtube", "I don't own Netflix account, or we wouldn't be in this little predicament.\n\nAnd there are numerous clips from the special all over YouTube.\n\nI am simply asking for a link to a video that contains the material you find transphobic.", "Then that sucks for you. You don't get to demand sources and criticize those not spoonfeeding you when you can't even access the media people are talking about. What a waste of time. Use critical thinking and understand that a streaming service isn't going to allow clips from one of its produced pieces of content out in the open, especially its controversial segments.", "Piracy is alive and well, I assure you.", "Interesting.", "Then go find it. The onus is not on me.", "It is.", "Nope. It really isn't lol I gave you the direct source, and you claim you can't access that. It's on you to find a workaround since you can't access the direct source I gave you. \n\nGood luck with that cognitive dissonance though", "If you make a claim, you provide a source. That's how claims work.", "Yeah, and I provided one. Are you really this dense?", "You did not.\n\nYou told me to check Netflix, a service which I do not have access to.\n\nTelling me to Google something is not providing a source.\n\nFYI, here is a fantastic example of how to source something correctly!\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/qgmm0l/comment/hi81fcb/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3", "That's the whole bit though he's making fun of those kind of comedians, you'd know that if you watched it.", "I'm not playing your disingenuous bullshit games lol it's a popular streaming service, you're clearly just set out to delegitimize criticisms by any means necessary. Pretty pathetic honestly. I told you where to access the information directly, and you cried like a petulant child, making any excuse possible to avoid watching something and being proven wrong", "I am simply asking for you to link directly to the material to ensure that we are all talking about the same thing. I don't want to assume I know the specific joke you are referring to. It also isn't my responsibility to watch an entire hour of a comedy special to pin point the exact moment that you take issue with.", ">I am simply asking for you to link directly to the material to ensure that we are all talking about the same thing. I don't want to assume I know the specific joke you are referring to. \n\nWe're talking about The Closer on Netflix. Glad I could clarify that. There is no direct links to something contained within a streaming service. None of the special is available on YouTube because it's an exclusively developed show for Netflix, so any segments of the video would be flagged for copyright violations. The only way to see what people are talking about is to access Netflix and watch the special. Seems like a really fucking dipshit move to try and put yourself in a conversation you know nothing about and have no way of engaging with. Almost like it's disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. Almost as if you don't actually care about the critiques being brought up and you aren't operating in good faith.\n\n>It also isn't my responsibility to watch an entire hour of a comedy special to pin point the exact moment that you take issue with.\n\nIt literally fucking is when everyone is describing the rhetoric contained throughout the whole special. The onus is on you if you can't access an easy source. If you didn't have access to the internet and couldn't access my sources for the claim \"America caused X problem in Y country\", the onus isn't on me to get you a fucking library card. This really isn't that hard to understand. You're operating on really reductive and childlike logic.", "Maybe you could record it for me and send it to me then.\n\n=)", "Nope. Don't engage in conversations if you have no intention of being intellectual honest.", "Maybe share a Netflix log in?", "Yikes, no", "How about you watch it and screen share?", "Thanks for proving my point that you're being disingenuous", "Not at all.\n\nI'm just waiting to reserve judgement until I see it for myself.\n\nIf as you say there are literally no clips on the entire Internet (other video streaming services exist outside of YouTube by the way), and I am certainly unwilling to sign up for a subscription service I have no need for, I'm exploring alternative options.", "Yeah but I don't usually hang around with morons though ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯.", "If you don’t hang out with morons then you are probably the moron. :D", "i'm good", "Got'em!", "What happended to that show?" ]	313	videos	James Acaster is "Too Challenging For You"?
https://youtu.be/nH2rnvGWDuU	/r/videos/comments/qfl65f/black_hawk_down_the_battle_of_mogadishu_part_two/	[ "[Part One can be found here](https://youtu.be/1ApfDyeP7Zk)\n\nThis is by a channel called the Operations Room. I have no affiliation with them at all, he just does a brilliant job of telling the stories of different military battles throughout history - coupled with some fantastic animation.", "Interesting. I haven't read the book its based on, but the tail end of the battle from where the 10th MTn and UN Maylay troops get involved starts to differ from what is portrayed in the movie; American movie sure, but BHD really downplayed the Malaysian and Pakistani involvement.", "I worked on a project where I got to interview a Delta Colonel and Ranger who were in this battle. I asked about the accuracy of the book and movie. His reply was \"The movie is about 70% accurate the book and the book is about 70% accurate to what actually happened.\"", "Served with SSG Matt Eversmann in Iraq (then a 1SG) in 2006.\n\nI deployed less than 2 months after basic training to backfill his Battalion that had taken a lot of casualties. He gave me a lot of advice and was a great leader.", "It was after this battle that the United States went all in on Armed Drones.", ">SSG Matt Eversmann\n\nAn experience like that has to help someone gain perspective. Cool to hear he was a good leader. \n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\`" ]	6	videos	Black Hawk Down - The Battle of Mogadishu - Part Two, (The Rescue)
https://youtu.be/MhcXA25XjQ4	/r/videos/comments/qfllfr/instagram_entrepreneurs_summed_up_in_one_minute/	[ "Lol", "Damn that’s a good video", "Just need a rented Lambo.", "You should have offered that end some exposure to film you.", "Drop shippin' all day." ]	4	videos	Instagram Entrepreneurs Summed Up In One Minute
https://youtu.be/zLCzrkqxUzc	/r/videos/comments/qflmu7/why_does_the_corporate_media_do_this/	[ "Let’s go Brandon!", "The real question is: Why do MAGA dorks do this?", "I mean everyone should have free speech no matter what political leaning", "Enough free speech to rally at the Capital? •wink wink", "Enough free speech for fiery and peaceful protest", "[Worked like a charm last time](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack)", "Desktop version of /u/Indianaerikjones's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_United_States_Capitol_attack>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "Everyone does have Free Speech, sort of\n\nMy question was more along the lines of why would you be so bored at an event you paid to attend to chant that, if Joe Biden was nowhere to be seen?" ]	8	videos	Why does the Corporate media do this?
https://youtu.be/lO8TKc9FTrE	/r/videos/comments/qflomx/nerdy_comedian_answers_hecklers_phone_wins_over/	[ "Classy for sure :)", "Lol what a guy", "Haha, he won them over cos black Americans as a group are homophobes, what a dude! Knows his audience!", "Did you not bother reading the title?", "Maybe it is a “black crowd” but I’m trying to figure out how that was determined..", "It was determined through a complex algorithm of how to get more upvotes with a flashy title.", ">Ok hater\n\nAre you 12?", "wtf is this title", "This was a pretty cool way to respond to the inconsiderate audience member. I would be too angry to be so calm and collected like this dude.", "John Lennon?", "its in the title of the video so maybe the original uploader who is the comedian knew they were black?", "Oh yep you’re right", "Where did homosexuality enter this conversation?", "Gee, someone being rude and missing the point doesnt understand that the comedian was pointing out how the guy on the phone was being rude and missing the point.", "Yep, excluding the possibility that the comedian is bisexual by default is problematic.", "Sweet you are about 12, I have some candy for you in my van.", "I want van candy.", "Haha you cry about funny words because you are depressed and wish everyone else had the big sad as well.", "Do you need an ambulance calling for you?", "cause you were soundin sexy", "It's a plant... part of the act.", "Wtf is this title?" ]	23	videos	Nerdy comedian answers hecklers phone, wins over black crowd
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qflovj/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qflovj/deleted_by_user/	[ "Nothing special about those ski lifts...", "I’d imagine all lifts aren’t for those with fear of heights", ":)" ]	2	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmvSieBFPNM	/r/videos/comments/qflwp9/remember_the_game_la_noire_this_one_has_the/	[ "The game itself is the worst game I ever played. Repetitive, dumbed down... nothing at all like the GTA series. I wish it was, but they cut out 75% of what it SHOULD have been. Horrid game.", "I mean it wasn't supposed to be like GTA, but it's a detective story. That's your opinion, dude.\nIf you really want like GTA, then go play GTA. Period.", "I know what you mean! I tried to play GTA and it was nothing like Wario Land 2! Just a bunch of repetitive driving and shooting shit and they cut out 75% of the Captain Syrup content that SHOULD have been. Horrid game.", "I've never played this, but ROFL. 0 - 100 real quick.", "I recently watched a perfect no commentary playthrough of all the cases and I gotta say, it's a damn good tv show if you watch it like one. I hadn't played it since it first came out and it's still a great story and setting.", "I agree on both the story and setting, but it kind of does jump the shark in the third act.", "I just played this case on my Switch a couple days ago. I almost choked on my spit when this happened. LOL!", "Ya Ad Vice is my least favorite and weakest part of the game imo. Luckily the arson arc saves it.", "So true. Reminds me of the time I played modern warfare 2019 and was absolutely disappointed that it was nothing like Need For Speed Heat", "Sometimes you have to shake the tree to see what falls out.", "Not sure why you’re getting so many downvotes. I agree with you. I seem to recall the advertising heavily implied it would be a 1940s version of GTA but you’re a cop. The game was tedious. Trying to figure out what option to choose when interrogating someone was like reading tea leaves. And the entire game is empty. [This retrospective](https://www.gq.com/story/revisiting-la-noire) sums it up nicely:\n\n>\tIt’s bizarre that they created a painstakingly accurate version of Los Angeles in the 1940s but made it so barren that there’s practically no reason to explore it in any kind of detail. It’s bizarre that they went to the trouble of modeling 95 period-appropriate cars, but made it so Cole can only accept dispatcher calls while driving one of the dull police sedans. It’s bizarre that they licensed a terrific set of songs from the era—Ella Fitzgerald, Louis Armstrong, Duke Ellington, Peggy Lee, and more—but made it a tremendous pain in the ass to drive around without putting your police siren on, rendering all that good music totally moot.", "No it didn't. We all understood it just ran off the same engine", "Doubt.", "Ok, so I have autism but were any of you \"normal\" types able to get through this game without guessing? I always thought the idea was to be able to \"read\" the people you were interrogating, but possibly due to my limitations it felt 100% random to me.", "Spectrum here. It was a two step process for me, but I found it to be a learning experience. First was the process of reviewing their facial expressions: directions they look, blinking, are they fidgety or calm? The second was reviewing that against responses which were clearly truthful or they would have no reason to lie. Just because someone is nervous and anxious doesn't mean they're lying, it could be they're always like that. In that case them going rigid would be a give away.\n\nSo it's not about any one face itself, and requires comparing to other responses as well as noting their use of words and how they may emphasize them. And even IF you know they're lying confrontation isn't always the right response.", "Yeah with most of them they seemed to make pretty obvious facial expressions when they were lying.", "Personally I never played it so I can't comment at all on good or bad. But just from the title of this thread my thought was \"Oh yeah, wasn't LA Noire that prohibition-era GTA?\" Now I'm happy to be wrong on that - again I have no grounds for judgment. But there may be some validity to thinking it was marketed as a GTA-style game.", "There were some that were difficult to read but I'd say 75% of them were pretty obvious. Like when they weren't lying, they'd have a pretty plain expression. When they lied, they'd scrunch their face and look around frantically. Basically any change in expression would confirm they're lying.", "Love this game. \n\nPity Rockstar are preoccupied with GTA Online to do anything else", "Prepare to be downvoted 😂", "\"Are you a mad man?\"\n\"yeah I played Ken Cosgrove\"", "What's funny about it? Seems like humor for 12 year olds to me." ]	22	videos	Remember the game "L.A. Noire"? This one has the funniest accuse.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfm4r7/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfm4r7/deleted_by_user/	[ "Bill Hader's impressions are damn good", "Alex Baldwin.....top gun......ironic.", "He was really firing on all cylinders." ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfm6ow/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfm6ow/deleted_by_user/	[ "Where the hell is his accent from? LOL", "This guy is amazing. love it!", "Bored just get on with it" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3P_S7pL7Yg&ab_channel=TomScott	/r/videos/comments/qfmqdo/trucks_that_get_power_from_overhead_cables_like/	[ "Imagine one truck went off the road and tear off the whole cable network lol.", "The pantographs are sprung so would account for different heights.", "I saw the system 3 years ago, at the german autobahn near Darmstadt. Very interesting idea - the truck run at 80 km/h on the lane under electric power. With the two pantgraphs, it looks very strange...", "Trucks are strikly regulated in their dimensions in Europe. So, this is no problem here. And the police makes control points on every autobahn, the check suspicious trucks very carefull! So, the chance to get with a truck into the power lines is not the point. And the lines are so high mounted, that a double deck bus can drive in this lane.", "My guess would be a dedicated lane for these types of truck, with probable design requirements (max/min height etc). Reefer boxes and pallet haulers I expect.\nThere's going to be idiots who crash the cables, just as there are those who strike bridges. \n\nTrucks break down all the time and clog up the highway so nothing should change.", "Well, you’ve given us three reasons why it ‘won’t work,’ despite the fact that it ‘does work.’\n\nThe pantographs have springs, and oversized trucks won’t have pantographs. I’m not 100% sure what ‘emergencies’ you’re talking about where suddenly people don’t have power but also need to be out on a highway. Hurricanes perhaps, which we don’t have in Europe. Anyway, the trucks also have petrol or self-contained electric engines, since the electrified section of the road is only a portion of the journey, so if power is lost they can simply retract the pantograph and switch back to petrol/battery.\n\nDo you Imagine that the engineers involved in the project haven’t thought of these things? The electrified section has been there for a while.", "? How exactly would that happen? The device merely touches the bottom of the cable, it doesn't attach to it at all.", "I guarantee you they've thought about mitigating every risk they can. They're German, not American." ]	8	videos	Trucks that get power from overhead cables like electric trains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHU9V1EEXLk	/r/videos/comments/qfn1kw/flatout_disgusting_desantis_tears_into_fauci_over/	[ "Deathsantis deflecting again?", "\"It is true that obligated funds were issued by the National Institutes of Health (NIH) in the amount of $424,555 for research conducted at the University of Georgia to test the efficacy of a potential vaccine for lymphatic filariasis on beagle subjects. However, it is unclear whether Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) at NIH, personally approved the project. Research conducted on behalf of NIAID is funded in large part through annual funds allocated by Congress and the president. A University of Georgia spokesperson indicated that testing on dogs was, in fact, necessary, and that all humane standards set by applicable agencies were adhered to.\"\n\nNice try though.", "DeSantis uses puppies as shield against human abuse, news at 11.\n\n🙄", "Meanwhile DeSantis is responsible for human deaths daily. Nice try OP. Twat.", "This coming from the man who is purposely endangering the lives of his constituents. Cute.", "What in the hell are those marks that look like fang bites on DeSantis' neck in the cover image?", "the sweet kiss of his dark lord", "Oof, op still be die hard antivax on reddit.", "trying desperately to distract from the fact that republican law makers helped plan the january 6th insurrection. nice try traitors.", "Dude doesn't want kids to wear masks, upset about dogs...", "Like we're going to listen to this fucking piece of shit Deathsantis? Anyone who looks to this guy as the person for accurate and scientific based information is a fool", "Yep, he finds animal testing flat out disgusting! That's why he skipped animal testing in Florida Covid cases and went straight to human trials.\n\nThose trials have been hugely successful. He's killed a lot of Floridians! Thanks DeSantis!", "Fuck yourself, OP.", "I like how we’ve reached the point of defending allowing puppies to be eaten alive by insects to stick it to the Republicans.", "What humane standards were followed? They had their vocal cords removed specifically so the researchers wouldn’t have to listen to them dying slowly in absolute agony.", "You are kind of missing the point here. This wasn't something that Fauci personally green-lit, so DeSantis' outrage is entirely misplaced. But you knew that already, didn't you?", "It happened under the system he runs, yes?\n\nIf this was found out under a Trump presidency you would care.\n\nBut the only thing that moves you is a perpetual need to defend the DNC.", "Excuse me, do you know me? No, you fucking don't. Take a walk, asshole. Not everyone who disagrees with you fits your preconceived notions, dickface.", "Nice how you’ve decided that now you’re being misjudged after handwaving away puppies being tortured.", "Fuck you liberal cunt.", "Eat a bag of dicks. Extra spicy. Also, did you seriously create a new account just to say that? Lame.", "I'm sorry, I can't be bothered to argue with the intellectually impaired. Good luck in life, champ!" ]	26	videos	'Flat-Out Disgusting': DeSantis Tears Into Fauci Over Experiments On Dogs
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfocjp/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfocjp/deleted_by_user/	[ "It's named after a Janis Joplin song - and inspired by real women, including the filmmaker's mother. Starring Lorenza Izzo, Simu Liu, Chrissie Fit, Bryan Craig, Steven Bauer, and Liza Weil.", "Simu on a bus? Hmm...", "if you want advertising just pay for it like everyone else, otherwise GTFO" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfoeul/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfoeul/deleted_by_user/	[ "So stupid, yet so funny", "Why link to the middle of it?", "This video was made for a certain type of person, and that person is me.", "I love this so much.", "Mac at the end of the video was the perfect way to seal the deal.", "r/interdimensionalcable is leaking", "I’m dying.", "This might be the best video ever.", "Ditto!\n\nBut why skip the first minute?", "Ho! fellow traveler.", "This is like the random shit you dream about when you eat greasy food before you go to bed. But... it's fucking great!", "I doubt it.", "I guess you could say it was made for.... viewers like you.", "I love that the audio was recorded for this, but they still edited it the \"T.\"", "All proceeds go to the phone home foundation.", "Similar from the onion [Today Now! : Boy Finds Own Real-Life E.T.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KCj_Klp8aY)", "Then I retract my previous statement." ]	18	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfohbv/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfohbv/deleted_by_user/	[ "Yea, I'm gunna go ahead and keep eating mammals until it becomes illegal or impossibly expensive.", "You can enjoy your bugs and fuck right off, Drew.", "enjoy your cult" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5ddCT2FrDI	/r/videos/comments/qfomcx/the_focus_hocus_pocus_recording_from_the_1970s/	[ "Oh wow... Rocking.. I guess. These guys were amazing players and now they sound like they bought instruments yesterday. Jan Akkerman's missing, and that is obvious. I had to double check that the drummer was the original guy, because he doesn't sound like him (he is).", "If you liked that video, do yourself a favor and watch this one next: https://youtu.be/RFDW9b_ejfI", "So friggin cool! Everyone is so talented, but the bass player is kiiiiiiiiiiler", "So this is where they got the music for that soccer commercial", "The singer would have woken up one day and just said, cant do the high parts anymore. That would suck honestly", "Yeah the guitarist just plays the notes now. He's getting along in years so it's hardly surprising.", "That's the one I'm referencing in the title.", "I know. It's just that as the original performance is so much better so watching this recent performance doesn't do justice to the song IMO." ]	8	videos	The Focus - Hocus Pocus recording from the 1970s gets reposted all the time, here they are still rocking it in August 2021.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGvy8ZR7xPo	/r/videos/comments/qfonbz/monkey_screams_spins_and_then_disappears/	[ "I got exactly what was promised.", "This is the best, most honest video I've seen on this subreddit in a long, long time.\n\nThank you.", "No clickbait, no embellishment, just pure unadulterated monkey", "You must have a lot of friends…", "That spin!", "farewell monke safe travels", "Accurate title", "Monkey spin, monkey wooooooooo", "Where he goin", "Car goes woooop woooop", "zoboomafoo!!", "Just got back from the club. Still pinging.", "WITH THE KRATT BROTHERS!!\n\nWalking through the woods one day, Chris and Martin saw somethin' strange! 🎶\n\nA little leapin' lemur who liked to bounce and plaaay 🎶", "He sounds like an F1 formula racecar, but he acts like a Saturn IV rocket. Either way, best monkey.", "That he do.", "Return to monke.", "That little \"monkey\" is an ape just like you and me!", "And I was still surprised!", "That monkey saw a UFO and was trying to tell you about it.", "Why he did that", "scream \nspin \nrefuse to elaborate further \nleave", "His planet needed him.", "He just does that", "God damn, one of my favorite videos. Gibbons are awesome. [HOO.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzuUqHs19NE)", "That's how I talko to the ladies at the bar!", "Same vibes as one of those teleport pads from SNES RPGs that spun your sprite around before teleporting you", "Note: Monkey died on the way back to his home planet.", "He monke", "Moon", "Yes. Good. Thank you very much.", "I like that there's a little bit reverb at the end", "Looks like he's practicing to be the next Zaboomafoo", "I must go, my people need me!", "Upvoted this before I even watched it", "I tried to post this 11 days ago (very same link) to test why all of my posts on this subreddit get removed within a minute or so; [https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/q89cmi/monkey\\_screams\\_spins\\_and\\_then\\_disappears/](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/q89cmi/monkey_screams_spins_and_then_disappears/) and it was deleted with no explanation, same as all the others. \n\n\nHas anyone else experienced this or heard of this happen to anyone else? \n\n\nI'm sorry to ask here but the mods haven't replied to the three or four messages I've sent since then.", "This must be what baby Rajang are like", "Monke", "Never knew monkeys knew how to Lumbridge Teleport", "this is the best video on reddit", "His people need him", "Now you see me now you don't!", "Gibbons are my spirit animals.", "title hecks out", "0:05 scream\n\n0:06 scream and spin\n\n0:08 scream and poof monkey gone", "flawless", "Probably a ghost ban, the algorithms are quite ruthless to posters in order to have the site as clean as it is. I've been banned because I posted few of my own music stuff - like i could see my own posts but they didn't appear on the site when I logged out", "Made it my new ringtone. So whenever it rings I do the spin and jump move", "I guess nobody cares this is an ape(Gibbon) not a monkey.", "gibbon, apes are not monkeys.", "I don't know what I expected..", "Give me a ping Vasyli... One. Ping. Only, Please.", "I love it when the title on a video is perfect.", "So long and thanks for all the ____", "Not a monkey", "Except it's not a monkey", "Thanks. \nI sent an 'appeal a ban' with that suggestion in mind. \nDo you suppose that will go through to them? Or would they not be able to read that either?", "He’s kind needs him.", "beam me up scotty", "When they dim the lights at a school assembly. oooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOO", "Thank you", "You get exactly what it says on the can. My satisfaction is measurable and, my night is made.", "I love the little echo at the end", "Not sure what I was expecting but I fot what was advertised.", "But Captain...", "Well, you have my* vote", "Does what it says on the tin really", "WE monke", "what the fuck goin on in miami bruh", "This is some Zaboomafoo shit if I've ever seen it. \n\nLeap, leap, leap", "Give it a few minutes. TikTok will have a version with zany music and a laugh track.", "Well, the monkey made an excellent point. Why elaborate further?", "What da dog doin", "Beautiful animals video love it", "> No clickbait, no embellishment, just pure unadulterated monkey\n\nHow did you so perfectly describe my Tinder profile?", "Monke return to gravity", "me when im about to finish work and last minute customer asks for help", "so no banana?", "when the ayahuasca/dmt kicks in", "Anybody know what language that is?", "True to the title. The best kind of video", "video is as described" ]	81	videos	monkey screams, spins and then disappears
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5s1mrcgi_c	/r/videos/comments/qfpcre/joe_rogan_on_the_fine_arts_of_stool_humping_in/	[ "The real zany comics who get physical on stage, like old school Robin Williams, Chris Farley, etc, these guys were coked out of their minds and that's what I think of when I see this guy stool humping.", "I think Joe Rogan is not a great comedian but fortunately he found his true calling as podcast host where he just excels.", "Joe's never been good at comedy. Link me a funny joke of his if you think otherwise. Its just loud gesticulating, bad female impersonation, etc.", "WTF is up with every redditor spouting shit about objectivity and subjectivity at every opinion? Of course this is just my opinion. What the fuck else would it be? I got beakers and bunsen burners in a lab while I'm writing down results on my Joe Rogan comedy study? How about we hop off the pedantic train for a minute before we have to write some kind of 'you didn't preface your statement with an opinion tag' bot. Grow up.", "I dunno, seems like they just put a bunch of out of context clips of Joe Rogan doing physical comedy together with clips of a guest on his shows saying that physical comedy isn't funny and jokes are meant to be told orally to make Joe look bad. But I disagree with the guest, I mean, obviously not all physical comedy is funny but it can be, and insisting that comedians should just stand there and talk seems a little elitist.", "Because you made your opinion sound like an objective statement. Look inward before exploding at others, jeez.", "Yeah, I think that is the point of the edit." ]	7	videos	Joe Rogan on the fine arts of "stool humping" in comedy
https://youtu.be/DujfLvJ2IS8	/r/videos/comments/qfpk9w/perfect_rotation_speed/	[ "It's probably better to post this to /r/GlobalOffensive", "I knew what was coming, and i feel so satisfied.", "But .. it wasn't perfect 😢", "Yeah it has been posted already, why did you post it again?", "I disagree to an extent. The only relevance it has to /r/globaloffensive is that it's footage from the game Counter Strike : Global Offensive. It isn't showing how to smoke mid from spawn, a 4k clutch, or anything like that. I think it's okay for it be here. Even someone that has no idea about csgo might get a kick out of it.", "That score is so fucking awesome.", "What is it?", "Hans Zimmer from that space movie", "[Interstellar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnDjdrfilzI). (And spoilers, I guess. But if you haven't seen it yet, shame on you.)", "I was going to comment and say that this scene was what elevated this movie from merely okay to a great watch, if flawed. Then I remembered the black hole scene and the videos from his daughter and I was like, okay, a few good scenes really elevate an otherwise mediocre movie. Then I was like, oh yeah and the tesseract, oh and him seeing his daughter again, right. Then I realized it was just a great if flawed movie and I was a little too high, and also the fucking tsunami scene Jesus wtf was I thinking, half this movie is epic scenes, it just has a few obvious weak spots. \n\nThis scene is really good though.", "Ha ha ha, I like your style.\n\nPersonally, I enjoyed the hell out of the movie up until the tesseract and coding the watch.\n\nBut even if flawed, so much of it is a blast." ]	11	videos	Perfect Rotation Speed
https://vimeo.com/273134007	/r/videos/comments/qfqqdh/motivation_chris_farley_the_second_city_1990/	[ "Repost of an old Vimeo upload since my YouTube upload got taken down", "Bob Odenkirk is playing the Dad. He is pretty good too!", "I'm pretty sure Bob Odenkirk helped him write this and Matt Foley, who they named the character after, was a real friend of Farley's back in Wisconsin.\n\nBob and Chris both made it to SNL not too long after this too where obviously they worked the character into sketches there." ]	3	videos	Motivation - Chris Farley (The Second City, 1990) [Reupload]
https://youtu.be/S9MtJ164XJI?t=16	/r/videos/comments/qfr3lz/mike_tyson_the_art_of_intimidation/	[ "I hear his teeth alone are pretty intimidating", "Before coming out for the gold medal match in the junior olympics Mike's trainers had to coax him out of his dressing room because he was in there sobbing. He told them he was afraid that if he lost no one would love him. There is absolutely a compulsive fear that drives a lot of combat athletes. GSP, and Rickson Gracie have also spoken of the absolute terror they have of fighting. \n\nThe psychology behind these athletes is so interesting and varied, especially compared to the other end of the spectrum. Fighters like Demetrious Johnson, Fedor, and Genki Sudo have absolute ambivalence to winning or losing. Johnson just wants to go home to the fam after every fight, win or lose. Fedor said after his first loss \"To be honest, I don't feel any particular way. The man who never falls has never stood up\". Genki always saw fighting as an opportunity for pure expression.", "Toughest man in the world was Mike Tyson's cell mate.", "One of the most interesting, complex and tragic sportsmen of my lifetime. Mike is fascinating.", "That audio is really unsettling, how they seem to have edited out any pauses of speech, and repeated phrases." ]	5	videos	Mike Tyson - The Art of Intimidation
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfrhv7/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfrhv7/deleted_by_user/	[ "Top that", "His hype man's protection stance at the end gets me.", "Me and the bois on r/torontobluejays", "Look how funky he is.", "Changes song to the same song", "It is funny in a I-can’t-believe-anyone-thought-that-this-was-going-to-be-a-good-movie sort of way. I think of all the people this steamer employed. Every day after work, they went home, kissed their spouses, and told their kids that they were living the dream, working in Hollywood, and making straight-to-video hot garbage because that’s what American consumers really wanted.", "[https://genius.com/Teen-witch-cast-top-that-annotated](https://genius.com/Teen-witch-cast-top-that-annotated)\n\nI wanted to check genius and meditate on the lyrics, but was really disappointed to find that no one has been able to decipher the symbolic/metaphysical substrate that is underpins Top That!", "Did you just add it?", "no", "There is so much room for interpretation with these lyrics. I feel that people could debate this as much as Shakespeare.\nEven the first line had said so much with so little.", "He reminds me of Mac. He certainly has the attitude down. Also, I appreciate her self-censorship. No reason for her to get all nasty up in here.", "I love how the bikes just transport further down the street", "I prefer Kenneth Parcell's cover.", "> protection stance\n\n[Buffalo Stance?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWsRz3TJDEY)", "This hurts my soul", "I prefer the masterpiece that is this version. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwY0sciWZp0", ">I'm king\r \n\n\nThe video footage is essential in understanding this declarative introduction.\n\nThe very first frame of the song we observe 'King' opening his arms towards the unknown man dressed in green with suspenders, he symbolizes the populace. He then turns to the man in pink vestments, who clearly symbolizes the clergy.\n\nThe song is clearly about how a Catholic monarchic state should run, where the king is a ruler but also embraces (as shown in the funky dance) the populace and clergy as himself part of the laity.\n\n>And they know it\n\nSubtly represented by the mimicry of the king's dance movements.", "Yo this came out in theaters. Don't throw that shade on this cult classic", "That is even funnier.", "One of Paul Rudd's earlier movies", "How did anyone ever think this was cool? It makes me feel so awkward just watching it.", "A friend of mine's brother is the guy with suspenders.", "30 year old man gets schooled in rap battle by 17 year old high school witch", "Came here looking for this. Man, I miss Revision3 and TRS. I know Dan is directing now, and Jeff is a professional podcaster, but I haven’t seen anything from Alex in years.", "The 80's had teachers try to connect to their students by rapping in the classroom. The pain and cringe was likely beyond what you can imagine and if put in a movie would not be believable today.", "did you see the teacher trying to teach math with that song?\nshe was super cringe but of course in this day and age she dared to put paper native feather on her head now i think she is probably being deported in the death camp of tollerance", "Why not?", "Can he please do an AMA?!", "Alex had a great multi-year podcast called The Half Hour Happy Hour that he left a year or so ago before covid.", "No.", "why do I recognize this dude but then I dont ..wtf is this ..my brain ...", "the song part is already added. i've thought about writing a hidden meaning essay on the lyrics/choreography of the entire piece, but i don't know how to write good.", "I'm sure you would do well" ]	33	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ290aGmVFY	/r/videos/comments/qfrjn4/dave_chappelle_addressing_the_controversy_over/	[ "https://youtu.be/oNhIbeLL8Is", "I think this is from last night's show in Nashville. I was there!", "Dave ain't going anywhere until Dave's ready to go. Keep hating, haters. We'll keep on watching.", "Where are the jokes??", "You can tell how much the man has been cancelled by how he never shuts up about how he's being cancelled.", "Not commenting on his comments about transphobia but shut the fuck up about being cancelled. Comedian cries about being cancelled after having a $60,000,000 deal and having some tough press. Boo fucking hoo.\n\nEdit: mmmm, lick them boots, peasants. Defend the funny man for making you feel better.", "He doesn't do jokes anymore. He just does middle school level bullying he tries to excuse as 'funny' while being a whinny little bitch about any criticism.", "That's my problem. I found Sticks & Stones funny but The Closer almost felt aggressively hateful.", "Never thought I'd see the day that Chappelle turned into a rich old white boomer.", "Did you even watch the video 😂", "Dave really needs to get over this phase of his comedy where most of what he does is respond to his critics. Most of us couldn't care less about the outrage brigade and the controversy, and we have no interest in hearing him drone on about it.", "People crying about this special are so fucking annoying.", "I find people complaining about cancel culture as they cash checks for millions of dollars far more annoying.", "As if its about the money...", "Where in this or anything recently has there been bullying?", "Well his response is into these critics trying to shut him or his ventures down", "If you can't see transphobia when people that are trans are telling you it's there...that's on you not others.", "You’re seeing transphobia based off someone telling you to see transphobia. Are you trans and feel it?", "Corporate interests wanted Dave silenced because he supported BLM. It was never about the Transgendered.", "You can talk about the dangers of a societal trend without also being a victim of it- it’s not a binary- just like pretty much everything in life", "He's standing up for free speech for everyone.", "I see the transphobia with my own eyes.\n\nMy point is you see a LOT of straight people telling people who are trans that they are wrong to feel the way they feel about Dave's 'jokes'.", "Dave Chappelle is the GOAT. He's an icon. He's going to go down in history as the best of the best. \n \nHowever that doesn't mean he can't make mistakes. \n \nHe's plain wrong on this issue, and he's handling it really poorly.", "Lol, no he's not. He's not standing up for the people's criticizing him free speech.\n\nHe's just standing up for his ability to say anything he wants without criticism.", "\"Millionaire complains people won't just shut up and give him more millions. This is the most important issue of our times.\"", "And yet where is all the rage about his jokes about the Jews, blacks, whites or others? There isn't, yet when he makes a joke about Trans, suddenly he's vicious? Give me a break, you're playing a victim when there isn't one to be played.", "And as someone who is a big advocate for the trans community more than online I don’t see it. Without giving anymore personal details I think the jokes are just JOKES.", "You're under the impression there wasn't anyone offended by Chappelle's 'jokes' before last week?", "Last week? My guy it's been ongoing since his first special. And yet no one makes a louder humbug than the trans community.", "Neat. I've got a list dozens long of people who are actually trans that disagree with you.\n\nWhy is your opinion more valid than actual trans persons?", "No one's trying to shut Chappelle down. They just want him to tell jokes instead of complaining about how people yelled at his rich buddies.", "Plenty of people critiquing this aren't trying to get the special taken down. They just think it is dumb and wrong and said so.", "lmfao", "It's so funny to me people ignore Dave's history and experiences when it comes to this issue. They just assume bad faith because it's convenient and easy. \n\nThere's gonna be a lot of \"cancel culture is fake\" ITT but people are only saying that bc Dave still exists. These very same people would cancel him if they could.", "Why are the people who you know about the council for all trans people? Why do you care so much if you aren’t trans? Especially enough to make a claim that Chapelle is ‘bullying’. Ya know the guy who is a Comedian after all…", "And how desperate he was to get cancelled in his special.", "He has pretty much made social issues the cornerstone of every special lol. Sure, his last one wasn’t super funny, but it also wasn’t any more offensive than his other material. People just have thin skins when you talk about one specific subject which is what he’s pointing out. It’s not great comedy, but everyone making a huge deal about of it are just proving his point.", "Yeah, if you think any comedian (and especially Dave) is the first person to experience push back for telling bigoted jokes...and further that this is the first time Dave has gotten push back for it then you're likely a child.", "You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but he stands on the shoulders of giants. Too many to list. No way he's the greatest ever lol.", "does he even do comedy anymore, or just ted talks?", "The fact that he can be so good is the reason it’s so tragic. I wouldn’t care when 99% of other comedians lose their touch.", "Every one of his specials has had a segment around race relations. It’s literally what he’s most known for.", "Ok and plenty of people also don’t think so, does that mean either should ‘cancel’ him or prevent things like a film from moving forward?\n\nYou see my point richt", "He he. Cute. \n\nHis whole complaint is about people speaking freely.", "you do realize that he defends himself agains the people who want him to never be able to perform again? Hes not agains all of them everything is nouonced. Ypu cant just assume he is against all critics why is everyone so extreme????", "Yeah, and he’s not canceled obviously so he could drop the victim schtick and get on with writing jokes.", "The money is only a part of how the mega rich keep score.", "He never even mentioned a single time he's been seriously hassled by his material.", "He's totally right about this issue, and handling it very well. The vocal minority can't dictate what people can and can't say.", "[Look at all those cheap ticket prices. ](https://seatgeek.com/dave-chappelle-tickets)\n\nIt’s always been about the money, my dude.", "Dave has walked away from millions of dollars out of principle. I don’t think he’s complaining about money.", "Take it up with them directly then. Don’t bore us with it. We don’t care about this shit, Dave.", "He's fine with him criticizing him, but he's not fine with those people bullying venues into banning him.", "I think he just lives an isolated boring life now, and this Twitter controversy stuff is all he has to talk about.", "That’s what I literally thought when I saw him talk about the transgender thing. Like people were saying he was being offensive “jokingly” but I saw nothing but him talk about how he’s with women against transgenders. There was no joke to it he was just talking about how he’s transphobic basically.", "You cared enough to comment and have the discussion on it, all I ask for was an example of bullying.", "I'm saying canceling isn't a thing except for poor people which he isn't.", "Well you know what they say, if you can’t beat em, join em. Though why anyone would WANT to be like an old white boomer is beyond me", "Yawn. Take your boomer culture war to Facebook, it’s boring", "I'm usually not vitriolic, but the morons in this comment section failing to see the irony in decrying \"cancel culture\" on a video where Dave Chapelle is speaking to a full stadium is setting me off. There should be an alarm sound whenever two of these people start \"thinking\" in close proximity, for fear of the negative space in their heads interacting with the outside world.\n\nYou absolute buffoons, no one is threatening Dave Chapelle's freedom of speech. He simply used the platform he earned to spew some dumb, bad takes and so he lost some of the audience and some potential movie distributors. Does any jerkwad redditor here have a spare audience or movie distributor around? No, fuckface, because that's not a right. It isn't included. There's no special \"celebrity\" caste enshrined in law, guaranteeing these things once you make it either.\n\nIronically the floorlickers here are responding more to the Pavlovian reaction of hating a misunderstood concept than the SJWs they decry so much.", "Damn what a way to gloss over the issue Dave. \n\nIt’s about corporates interests…nah it’s about how you said you were a TERF and made fun of trans people.", "You aren’t helping", "Yawn that response is boring and why folks like you won’t be taken seriously", "Ok", "In the closer he literally says it was the last time he's going to talk about it, and now here he is talking about it again. I get that things happened but christ how many times is he going to continue talking about this shit.\n\nI actually liked The Closer, it was better than the other specials and had some heart, but it's getting really grating overall just how much modern comedians talk about getting cancelled. Bill Burr does the same shit. It's like okay christ we get it.", "I don't understand the problem. Some people are saying they're going to put societal pressure on places by not buying tickets if he performs there.\n\nIf enough people agree then venues won't book him anymore. If not enough people agree, then venues will continue to book him and people will continue to buy tickets.\n\nHe has to understand that as someone who is paid to talk for a living, that people may not want to support him anymore if they don't like what he's saying.\n\nHe's certainly allowed to defend himself, but if he's not going to rephrase or apology for what he said in any way, then it just comes off as whiny.", "He frames this his \"Dave VS corporate interests, all the trans people I know love me\" is just a pure self serving delusion. His insistence that he actually cares about trans people is tough to believe, and his jokes are pretty much just garden variety bigotry. \n\nSadly, his pride and ego are so wrapped up in this, seems like he will double down and get defensive until the end of time. This sucks because I loved everything he every did until his mean spirited jokes about trans people escilated and culminated in this special.", "> It's so funny to me people ignore Dave's history and experiences when it comes to this issue.\n\nWhich experiences has he had that haven't become public through 100% hearsay from his own mouth?", "Dave has a history of rejecting and speaking out against corporate interests trying to control what he can and can't say.", "Jesus this guy is insufferable. The premise of his Trans joke doesn't even make sense considering dababy shot someone IN SELF DEFENSE. It wasn't even that funny ffs", "It sounds like you entirely missed the point.", "You mean if you literally ignore what we brings up in this video that was posted?", "Explain how poor people get \"canceled\". I'll wait lmao.", "Shut up and sing. Shut up and play football. Shut up and tell jokes.", "I liked Anthony Jeselnik's take on this where his main gripe with the jokes in question is that they aren't really that great and he knows that Dave can do better. You can do a good trans joke that doesn't make people freak out and doesn't bow down to the SJW agenda, but Chappelle seems content in making outrage bait because no matter what he says on stage the audience will have his back.", "What exactly is he wrong on?", "Someone’s gotta do it. It just happens that the only ones that get attention are famous people, because they’re famous.", "What issue is he wrong about", "\"In order to discuss this topic, where I am a piece of shit, you must first pay me money\" \n\nSmart guy", "He was one of the best back in the 90s and quit while he was on top leaving a legacy. Nothing he’s released since then has been amazing but I enjoy watching him", "It's not about what people can and can't say. Are you not currently watching him say these things...to a stadium full of people? Did you watch the last 3 specials where he says these things? How long is it going to take you people to realize that cancel culture is not nearly as powerful or important as people make it out to be, and that in reality all comedians like this are doing is fucking whining on stage when they should be writing jokes. \n\nYou're right the vocal minority can't dictate what people can and can't say, and they aren't, so why keep talking about it over and over and over again. It's fucking annoying.\n\nIt's like if a rock musician walked on stage and instead of playing his guitar, just grabbed the mic and started fucking complaining about how some people out there don't like rock music anymore. Okay, and? Play some fucking songs for the people that still do", "If you're some dumb fuck drunk on Q you could be pushed off social platforms with little retribution. If you're Dave or Alex Jones you move on to the next platform.", "his comedy is still funny to me, comedy is subjective, im happy he doesn't take cues from people like you that try to shut down conversation with 'yawn', either contribute or don't. No one needs to listen to your false superiority, be better", "This isn't a hassle. It's free press. Again how has he been damaged by his hateful words? Remember he endorsed terfs and accused an entire hunted people that they don't help the African American cause enough. None of those statements he made are jokes. He made sure we understood they were his statements.", "Point proven.", "Thank you for agreeing.\n\nUsing a deceased person who can't give their side as your token in a 'I can't be transphobic, I have a trans friend' argument is pretty gross.", "\"people ignore Dave's history and experiences when it comes to this issue\"\n\nTrans people are angry with a multimillionaire superstar so he dedicates a special to tearing their community a new one.", "I don't see that as true at all.", "Kinda why he left the biz for so long.", "I do genuinely wonder if people who deny the existence of cancel culture if they purposely close their eyes and plug their ears any time people get doxed and demanded that they lose their jobs when they're accused of something.", "Dozens 😱😱😱😱😱😱😱😱", "And any one of them would have more credibility on what is offensive to trans people than a random straight redditor.", "i think the reaction against him for saying something in return is very extreme. Also i think the people \"canceling\" him arent his audience anyway so he would not lose any customers by this at all. Maybe he even gains people cause of the publicity.\nI think both sides are insane for beeing so agressive and extreme. Man the internet makes everyone extreme and disagreeable. I hate that.", "Interesting use of imagery considering the situation.\n\nForgive me in advance since I haven't seen the special yet. Can you tell me how he tore them a new one?", "What hateful words?", "That's literally free speech. If the patrons of an establishment don't like something, they get to exercise their free speech. The establishment then gets to exercise it's free speech by either ban or admitting him.", "Do you really believe that or are you making a joke?", "I like the part where Dave walked away because white people found his racist jokes a bit too funny but he and his supporters can't see the similarity to this issue.", "I think all you need to do is to change the word trans to say \"black or asian\" and it's end of discussion.", "These people saying cancel culture culture doesn't exist or \"he isn't being cancelled because I can still see him on Netflix\" is like telling someone their stalker isn't dangerous because they haven't been murdered yet.\n\nMaybe he's still afloat DESPITE people clearly trying to cancel him. \n\nIn before \"waa poor millionaire\" posters mis the point", "That's just as much free speech as anything else though. Hopefully when I get 'cancelled', it can be into the hundreds of millions of dollars that the people bitching about cancel culture seem to get.", "\"I am getting cancelled right into this microphone on this stage!\"", ">Dave has walked away from millions of dollars out of principle.\n\nThe principle that he didn't want his comedy to be used by bigots. Shame that principle is gone.", "Then he should just deal with people disagreeing with him.", "You were there but you aren't sure and think its from there?", "Millionaire comedians complaining about being cancelled in front of a stadium of thousands of people...", "> Ok and plenty of people also don’t think so, does that mean either should ‘cancel’ him or prevent things like a film from moving forward? \n\nThat's for the market to decide. That's not 'cancelling', that is the free speech of criticism.", "Eh I thought he brought the funny so I was satisfied.\n\nAnd beyond that Dave has earned enough clout to also talk seriously about the current American zeitgeist in a fashion where I’m always happy to re-examine my understanding from another (his) perspective. All he was saying is that you can be pro-trans and also be anti-cancel culture. Especially when the cancel movement is just lying about someone’s position as they are with him.\n\nYou might be tired of hearing about it (so am I tbh), but there’s a lot of people who it’s fresh to and really need to hear it.", "Maybe it's accountability culture? Is it ok to say or post shitty things and then complain that there are repercussions?", "> He's fine with him criticizing him, but he's not fine with those people bullying venues into banning him.\n\nlol that's just speech. If the venue thinks they'll lose money, they won't use him.", "Lmao", "Plenty of comedians have hilarious takes on trans people. Dave's are just mean spirited \"jokes\".", "I thought the Hannah Gadsby stab was ironic for that exact reason lol. I don’t really believe Dave is going to be canceled, but I won’t be shocked when he falls completely out of relevancy especially if he doesn’t snap out of this era of reactionary “comedy”. I just want to hear jokes, I don’t need you to defend them because some people were upset on twitter.", "So the corporate interests forced him to say he was a TERF?", "It'd be easy if this were about a disagreement. But in fact, this is about how they're trying (and succeeding) to silence the thing that's most important to Chappelle: his voice.", "LOL his set with Rogan is $62 when it's the soonest so should have the least available tickets. All his solo shows over $100... sorry Joe", "That's why they will never get to meet Dave because they haven't seen the special from beginning to end.", "People who spend $100, $200 to see these shows expecting comedy are such gullible dick riders. This whole video is him promoting his movie that will be shown across the country and his only \"joke\" is where is says Hannah Gatsby isn't funny. As shit as an excuse for humor as that line was, her whole schtick is eschew traditional comedy and share meaningful anecdotes from her personal experiences. The irony.", "Not the same at all. Colin Kaepernick wasn’t trying to make a political statement mid-play on third down. Dave Chapelle has turned his actual show into whining about his critics. His last “comedy” special was barely even an attempt at comedy.", "He could have said the same thing at a different show", "> I get that things happened but christ how many times is he going to continue talking about this shit.\n\nAs long as it makes him money. Why, why, why, is this incredibly rich, successful, and powerful man always the victim in his mind? By his own admission, he can put chairs in a fucking cornfield in the middle of a global pandemic and people will travel from around the world to hear him speak! How much more do you need? Is it so unsettling that someone somewhere disagrees with him??? When is it enough? FFS, who else whines this much from a position of such staggering privilege???", "I also honestly have no interest in listening to him rant about trans people for two hours. It may be a controversial opinion, I don't know, but I want old Dave back", "lmao this is so dumb because that's literally what people mean by cancelling. \"that's not cancelling because admitting that is bad for my point\". Wtf do you think cancelling is?", "I've seen the special wanna tell me the part you think the trans community should enjoy? How about the part where he says they aren't real women? How about the misgendering of a person? How about telling straight people they should be mad because a Trans woman was a woman of the year, but I'm sure you are right. I'm sure the trans community is the one wrong here.", "Who is “we” anymore? I used to be a Chappelle fan but he’s beginning to lose my fandom because his latest special was exclusively whining. Was it supposed to be a comedy special? There was no comedy.", "Fuck this guy and his hate. He just needs to go away or sell his unfunny shit on Fox News or other right-wing hated filled media.", "Multimillionaire superstar's friend is driven to suicide by trans people, so he dedicates a special to tearing their community a new one. FTFY.", ">Wtf do you think cancelling is?\n\nmade up nonsense", "zzzzzzzzzz", "I’d like to hear Dave talk without saying the word “cancelled” for a bit.", "Dude social media mobs have gotten tons of people fired from their jobs. Don't get me wrong, lots of those people had it coming. But cancelling for sure happens to poor people.", "No one can cancel the GOAT! No one!", "I didn’t laugh once. Or even really exhale though my nose deeply. I don’t follow Chappelle so maybe that’s why. I just wanted to see what the controversy was all about", "Yes", ">All he was saying is that you can be pro-trans and also be anti-cancel culture. Especially when the cancel movement is just lying about someone’s position as they are with him.\n\nIt's become so fashionable to lump a bunch of things together and act like they go together when it isn't the case. There is this willingness to not examine things that are not comfortable in our society these days, and Dave taking a nuanced stance on this is something that is relevant, even if it isn't new to some of us like you said.", "Like anything the right does, they have co-opted the term \"cancel culture\" to mean, \"anything liberals care about, and I don't like that they care about it\". It's become over-generalized to encompass any form of accountability or consequence of one's actions that the right doesn't think is justified. Doesn't matter of laws were broken, if the consequence was private or public actor - there is zero nuance to its treatment. This is where 'cancel culture' doesn't exist - when it is stretched and contorted until it lacks any sense of nuance or meaning other than yet another source of ire and contempt to stoke the tribalism that substitutes for policy and identity.", "Some people have empathy", "But is it the market deciding if corporate platforms won't play it because they think you said the wrong words?", "You don’t sound like an advocate at all", "Then you're not \"we\".", "Watched the special and he did not tear them a new one...", "Except he doesn't do that, and the fact you think that is what he does is proof the corporate propaganda worked to some degree.", "Cancel culture is just a conservative boogeyman. It's just PR and branding. People always complain about free speech. Yet get upset when Redditor and Twitter users use their free speech to complain about a tv show, actor, or even a thing they don't like. Companies have the right to protect their brand.\n\nAlternative If CC existed then Gina Carno wouldn't be back on Disney, but I'm sure there is some far-right conspiracy as to why she is on.", "\"friend\"?", "How has he been canceled? He's selling out shows. So is Louis C.K, hell even Rod Snider still finds work. Gina Carano is going to appear in the next season of mandolorian. It really only seems that the people who get \"canceled\" are the people who can't afford good PR teams and that at the end of the day is just capitalism.", "What I find depressingly stupid is that Chapelle is convinced that he can't punch down because he is a black man, and how dare you not understand that. Ok.", "Made up how? Genuinely asking if you truly believe venues don't get bullied by small groups of people to stop hosting people. It's indisputable that this happens. You're essentially using the \"fake news\" defense.", "Daphne's Room Mate Doesn't See It Like That Dave:\n\n\"Daphne Story Continued (Trigger Warning/Ramble Warning)⚠️\n\n(This is going to piss some people off, but I ran out of fucks to give when Daphne died.)\n\nTLDR/too long don’t wanna read-I BEG YOU NOT TO WATCH DAVE CHAPELLE’S SPECIAL!!\n\nToday has been two years since Daphne chose to end her life. I don’t say ‘committed suicide’ because committed implies that it’s a crime.\n\nIt seems surreal that she missed the COVID pandemic, Tiger King, the insurrection and so many moments from her friends’ lives. I miss her jokes, and know she would have made COVID quarantine sooOo much more bearable for many folks that appreciated her humor on social media.\n\nPeople ask me if she killed herself because of Dave Chapelle (henceforth called DC) mentioning her in his 2019 special, because she ended her life just one week after it came out. Daphne met DC at a comedy club while he was performing..He was telling controversial jokes and she was laughing because she always had a dark sense of humor. But Daphne never told racist jokes or punched down on groups of people. She used humor to heal from pain, she told self-deprecating jokes, and used humor to educate people about trans issues. She never used humor to be hateful.\n\nBefore DC’s 2019 special he really buttered her up, promising to mentor her, and take her under his wings. I was suspicious of his antics and didn’t really appreciate his style of humor but I was happy for Daphne if she was happy. 🤷🏻‍♀️\n\nI watched part of DC’s 2019 special when it came out because Daphne was so excited for it but I couldn’t even finish it because I felt like it was so offensive to different marginalized groups. But I didn’t want to criticize it because I knew Daphne was excited for the shoutout, even though the mention of her was so quick you could miss it.\n\nThen after Daphne died it was crickets from Dave Chapelle for months and years after it happened. When a group of her theatre/comedy friends threw a memorial for her in San Francisco, DC didn’t say anything. When her funeral in Pennsylvania happened a couple months later, DC’s team hadn’t reached out to her friends or family. When we planned another memorial for her in SF, we didn’t hear anything from his team. It was like if he said something about her, he would admit that he was responsible for her death. \n\nI’m not going to say I know for sure 100% that Dave Chapelle making fun of Daphne in his 2019 special is what caused her death. I don't think it was the main cause, but who knows. Daphne had PTSD from a life of trauma and she had battled suicidal thoughts for years. I think the final blow was a combination of her losing custody of her daughter, losing her job, and dealing with a lot of transphobic harassment on the streets of San Francisco. I lived with her, and yet I didn’t know how bad she was feeling.\n\nI heard from a friend that Dave Chapelle mentioned her last year in a stand up comedy routine, and he mentioned how he let her open for one of his stand up routines but that she “bombed it”. For him to patronize her, demean her, and minimize her talent AFTER her death is cruel and crass. For him to invoke her name as a free pass to continue being transphobic is beyond fucked up. 😤 😤 \n\nIn the latest Netflix special he starts off his piece about trans people with “I’m not saying trans women aren’t women” but then he calls trans vaginas “beyond pussy”. rolls eyes And he says he is a TERF (trans exclusionary radical feminist) and self describes himself as transphobic MULTIPLE TIMES in this special 🤬🤬🤬\n\nHe mentioned the story of when he met Daphne, and when he called her to invite her to open for him, and that he didn’t know she was an amateur. He says she was dressed well for the performance and admits “I’m transphobic and even I think she looked nice.” OKAY TELL US HOW YOU REALLY FEEL.😤 😤😤 😤\n\n“This bitch bombed for 45 min straight. . that show was terrible. . but here’s what impressed me. . Any other comedian I’ve ever seen, if they bombed as bad as she did, would have snuck out of the theater and gone on home and cried. But she found a seat right in front. . she laughed hard like (she didn’t bomb). She was talking to me while I was performing like she was watching the TV alone, but the crowd didn’t like that shit because she sucked. .” 😤😤\n\nAnd then Daphne told a joke to a heckler and then they went back and forth and told jokes. He tells about a touching moment they had together, but then he said her performance “stunk” again. That’s what 4 times he said she wasn’t funny?! This is how you speak about your dead “friend”? Then he realized she was funny after the performance by the way she genuinely interacted with the audience . then he says when she hugged him he pushed her off violently because “I’m transphobic”. 🙄\n\n“My friend Daphne killed herself. .She identifies as a woman _____((Then he describes how she killed herself)),___ clearly only a man would do some gangster shit like that” 🤬🤬🤬\n\nI don’t even know how he found that out because her friends and family didn’t say that publicly because IT’s PRIVATE AND PAINFUL! And beyond that, studies have shown that mentioning specifically how people kill themselves only causes more suicides. But Dave doesn’t care.\n\nHe continues..“As hard as it is to hear a joke like that, Daphne would have loved that joke” Maybe she would, maybe she wouldn’t but SHE KILLED HERSELF AND CAN’T DEFEND HERSELF ANYMORE! He goes on to say “I don’t know what the trans community did for her and I don’t care because she was my tribe” 🙄\n\nHe says Daphne killed herself because trans people were criticizing her on Twitter…So he’s blaming trans people for causing her death? WTF. That’s some next level victim blaming / gaslighting. 😡😡\n\nHe ends his mockery of her saying he said he wants to tell Daphne’s daughter “I knew your father and HE was a wonderful woman.” 🤬🤬🤬\n\nDave Chapelle doesn’t give a fuck about trans people. He deliberately goes out of his way to make fun of us, even making fun of his alleged friend AFTER her death. \n\nIf you are reading this and made it this far, please take a moment to ask Netflix to remove this hateful special. Not because it might offend trans people, but because it might inspire more people to end their life. \n\nDaphne Dorman deserved better.\"", "But what if it isn't patrons of the place. What if the patrons of the place want the show, but some group of people pressures the venue into not carrying the act because they will protest the venue and draw negative press to the location.\n\n... Because that is actually the context of what is happening.", "Holy shit every upvoted comment in this thread has the controversial mark on it lmao", "He just got paid $25 million dollars to create a comedy special for the world's largest streaming platform. How has anyone succeeded in silencing his voice?", "Because people have had anger festering in them for years and this is an opportunity to get that shit out, lmao. No one fucking thinks anymore, they tell the rest of the world they are wrong to fit their opinion.", "It's just jokes, trans people take these things way to serious and can't laugh about things/themselves anymore. That's the whole point chapelle is trying to make, he goes after every group", ">You can see what they're trying to obstruct you from seeing. AM I CANCELLED OR NOT?!\n\nLol. Imagine being so rich and full of hubris you can no longer cope with criticism.\n\nOld Chappelle would have ripped the shit out of 2021 Chappelle.", "The point he's trying to make is that friend would've laughed about these jokes. The problem is trans people can't laugh about themselves anymore and take things too seriously", "Oh, you know their relationship? Or are you just assuming...", "How did he \"tear them a new one\"...?", "Why would he get out of this phase when its making him millions of dollars and has made him the most talked about comedian in America again? \n\nAll of this was by design.", "What if you think \"Cancel Culture\" is a nonsense phrase and you just believe in reasonable consequences for people's actions?\n\nJohn Gruden called the NFL commissioner a \"F***\" and had to step down. Is that \"Cancel Culture\" or is it just that if you call your boss a slur you probably don't have a job anymore and that's how its always been?", ">acknowledging the social effort geared against him.\n\n'social effort'? \n\n>Everyone put aside the climate crisis, we've got to cancel Dave Chappelle!", "It's not him at all...\n\nHe is just doing his thing and twats are going ape shit about it for no reason.", ">really grating overall just how much modern comedians talk about getting cancelled.\n\nIt's the new airplane food shtick.", "You obviously don't get the statement hes making, nor understand the argument hes making. Learn more about the situation, actually think about it from his perspective, take a moment to understand his art and how hes gone about it for his entire career and recognize that he knows he can sell out shows regardless of putting out these specials.\n\nSome people want the specials, bottom line. There are people saying people who wanna see the specials shouldn't be allowed to. Hes fighting for the right to say what he wants for his audience from his authentic perspective. Hes not asking for you to like it or agree with it, hes making sure you get out of the way for people who do want to hear what he has to say.", "Couldn't it also be that there are people who are trans that are seeing transphobia that isn't actually there...?", "You all keep missing the point, the trans friend would've laughed about these jokes. Dave goes after every group but the trans community can't seem to laugh about themselves and take everything serious.", "\"The controversy\" \n\nYou mean how Dave carefully calculated some controversial jokes to make himself the most talked about comedian in America again and got paid millions of dollars to do it? \n\nYou mean how an artist doing something controversial to get media attention is literally the oldest stunt in the book? \n\nAnd people went hook, line, and sinker.", "same for his asian jokes", "You're not allowed to complain about cancel culture until you've been successfully cancelled.", "Bad jokes and good jokes come from the same place as Patrice o'neal used to say\n\nYou reward the attempt", "Wasn't that principle that he didn't like racists/bigots using his comedy? \n\nWhat happened to that?", "probably because that kind of joke tends to encourage people to go out and hurt people.\n\nhttps://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/0002764219842617\n\nhttps://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1057/9780230236776_2", "Imagine thinking someone who isn't trans has more credibility on trans issues than someone who actually lives with the issue every day.", "Found the idiot", "He's literally the most talked about comedian in America right now and the specials are still up -- hell YouTube is suggesting the clips to me. \n\nHow is he AT ALL \"silenced\" ?", "Explain how you believe they are the same for me please.", "Love Dave but this clip and his special were a real snooze. Complaining about trans ppl for an hour not exactly great comedy", "He left for the opposite reason. He didn't like that racists thought his was funny for the wrong reasons.", "I don’t know.", "I love that he did a recurring bit about an ancient civilization on Earth that left thousands of years ago, came back in modern times and decided to take the planet back for themselves.. called Space Jews*... because he knew nobody would even be talking about that (intentionally) ridiculously offensive joke. Like he's trying* to get cancelled.", "I think this level of reaction is warranted and helpful. But you’re right that the best cure for all the insane outrage is to continue to be productive.", "...by saying, \"see things my way, or you are wrong and I will take my ball and go home.\" Okay.", "His current batch of transphobic jokes are of the same level of bigoted as the jokes he told when he got offended by how funny white people found them.\n\nIn both cases he's telling jokes that bigots absolutely LOVE...but when his race was the butt of the joke he found it so unsettling he walked away from a show. Now, that same dynamic is at play but trans people are the butt of the joke and Dave can't see it.", "That's not what I said. I asked if it was possible that maybe there were trans people who had overreacted. You can't just claim authority on a topic; that closes off discussion and growth. A trans person clearly knows more about living that life. That doesn't mean non-trans people can't assess someone's intent when telling jokes just as easily as them.", "1) Critique of art is part of art. \n\n2) If you don't think Dave carefully calculated all this to make himself the #1 comedian in America again, you might be a little naive.", "Nah that’s called gittin’ fired. But Dave is a comedian - a special type of artist that is SUPPOSED to be controversial. Comedians will make fun of anything if they think they can get a laugh out of it. They’ll sell their wife out if the joke is funny enough. The thing is that the wife probably understands that otherwise they wouldn’t be married.\n\nI don’t think Dave is trying to be controversial for the sake of controversy. But he’s also not going to censor himself because a group is calling for his head. That’s the artist in him.", "What trend? \n\nHaving free speech to criticize an artist? \n\nOh no", "This was the last 2 minutes of a show he did yesterday in Nashville. The majority of his show was excellent and not really geared towards this stuff. I think he just wanted to take a moment to address this before heading out.", "So much for this: \n\nhttps://www.vulture.com/2014/06/dave-chappelle-live-review-this-is-why-he-quit.html", "There's nothing in this reply about how Dave has been silenced in anyway\n\n>But he’s also not going to censor himself \n\nSo he's NOT been silenced?", "Yeah, I know, I know, I can see the point Dave is trying to make but sorry, I'm just pissed off. They drove a person to suicide than somehow paint themselves as victim, because someone makes jokes about them? Most of these people didn't even bother to look up Daphne and try to honor her memory, instead they immediately went 100% focus on deplatforming Dave.", "Looks like you found your answer.", "lmao", "Can we just support Dave in his transition to be George Carlin?", "And I know dozens...literally dozens of trans people in real life and they all say it was offensive.\n\nI volunteer at a community center in downtown Denver. If you don't believe me and are near Denver come out with me on one of our outreach days to queer homeless persons. The amount of trans people (especially teens) that end up on the streets would astound you.", "There's also an idea going around now that you can't criticize someone for their speech/ideas -- but that's half of free speech. You can say what you want then I can reply how I want. \n\nA famous rich guy says something and we're not allowed to say anything back? \n\nThat sounds like some Soviet Union shit to me", "He might not be cancellable, but there’s a LOT of lesser known comedians who are and have been. I think when he decry’s cancel culture he’s standing up for a lot of others who are less fortunate than he, because he respects the art form and the the artists. Just makes sense to me that he would stand up for the little guy like that.", "Is Dave cancelled?", ">Wtf do you think cancelling is?\n\nWhat do YOU think it is? \n\nBecause criticizing an artist has always been part of art in a free society.", "Until you are fighting passionatly against jokes towards...Eskimos then I'll never take you seriously. Were you forced to watch the special? Are you a hypocrite that has no problem laughing about other races, religions or countries being joked about but get all serious when it's about trans people? You're just manufacturing outrage here.", "But you’re talking about it right now. It’s his actual life. It would be much easier for you to ignore the whole situation. Yet here you are, complaining about him talking about the thing that everyone here is now talking about. If none of us could resist talking about it, why should he be any different?", "Anti-trans people think his specials are the greatest thing that's happened all year?", "He's my second favourite comic ever but I'm shocked he's shocked\n\nLike he made closer which was essentially a show about hesitancy\n\nSaying in affect but without quite saying it \"we have not dealt with racism in America yet and you guys are inventing new ways to undermine black Americans\" while also admiring minority and lgbtq movements but feeling frustrated at how he perceives they've turned on African Americans that aren't so lgbtq friendly in their comments. It's basically going back to the idea of hypocrisy. \n\nThe problem to this is ofcourse where does he stand. Does he like conservatives like candace owens and right wingers? Fuck no. They like him but he does not like them. He likes Joe and that's about as right as he'll go. He doesn't like their racial apologetics particularly with things like the police violence against African Americans stuff. \n\n\nThen you say okay he's of the left then. And yeah maybe he is, except he's got some phrases very very similar to Dr umar Johnson who thinks everything all these movements and so on are another way white people undermine black men. \n\nI don't agree with that but I think that's chappelles thinking. \n\nSo it's hard. He made a show to bookend a theme. \n\nBut then he was somehow shocked that all these companies would disinvite his documentary on his healing comedy festival in the corn fields of dsyton ohio \n\nIts like dude, you take a controversial stance worded in the way you did do you expect to find an audience for this with heads of film festivals which base their whole rainbow capitalism identity on signalling that they're supportive of lgbtq people even though the fine print is (if they make us money) \n\nSo idk its a clusterfuck. He shouldn't be surprised though\n\nAnd I suspect he will either have to amend what he said or Netflix probably get pressured to drop him too", "Yeah, this is just incorrect. His last special was like 85% bloviating about Trans people, and he began that on the special before it. Now here he is doing standup and still going. He can do the jokes he wants, I feel like he is beating a dead horse but hey, it's his freedom to do so.", "What trend?\n\nPeople have always criticized people for their speech. Surely you're not talking about the new social trend of people being mean on twitter...which isn't a real place.", "I’m sure his Asian wife believes they are mean spirited, right ?", "Ok. I'm saying maybe those literal dozens are all over-reacting. I don't think they get to automatically decide the intent of his special. If they don't like the comedy, that's fine. But to label it trans-phobic is a cheap tactic to try and silence something they just don't like personally.\n\nWhich he talks about extensively in the special.\n\nWhich makes me think maybe it all just went over your heads.", "So, by \"addressing the controversy\" he means \"pivoting to the issue of corporate censorship, sidestepping the controversy entirely\".\n\nHis claim that nobody in the queer community has had a problem with him is desperately transparent spin and demonstrably untrue to anybody who's spent a few minutes on the internet since. When you say \"I'm on team TERF\", you've made yourself quite clear. Either Dave admits that he didn't understand what TERF actually means, or he admits that he agrees with TERFs that the identities of trans women aren't valid insofar as they can't rightly be called \"women\". That's what \"addressing the controversy\" would be.", "That's on the people that found those jokes funny, of which I'm not a member.", "Yeah, I didnt watch the last two specials because in general he has become less funny to me. His perspective is very different because he is so rich and because he spends so much of his life in the rural midwest. He cant really relate to normal humans anymore. He just experiences life in such a different way. He doesnt worry about the cost of gas making it almost not worth working. His kids will never want anything, ever. Its a very different kind of life. But he still wants to be loved and watched and of course make more money. So he has to say something. It just so happens that he also happened to make it this far through life and not ever learn the difference between sex and gender so he stumbled into this topic he can talk about and get some attention. If he had not his special would have just been a thing people scrolled passed like the previous one. He isnt making another special for a while-- not because of the controversy, but because people have had enough of him for now and he doesnt have much left to say.", "Almost Every comment here from Daphne’s roommate here is taken out of context. \n\nFor example, yea Dave said she bombed during her set opening for him. He goes on to say he respected the hell out of her for carrying on despite bombing.\n\nAnd yes - Dave described himself as transphobic. Joking in reference to the controversy he has created.\n\nI can get behind some of the criticism but this entire thing intentionally misleads those who haven’t watched.", "Right, so the entire group that is the butt of his jokes is overreacting...but the word of one cis man who had a single trans friend that laughed at his jokes once is the arbiter of truth.", ">Were you forced to watch the special? \n\nYes because people like you kept saying,\"because they haven't seen the special from beginning to end.\" This forced me to watch it before I made any judgment. I feel like you can't say the same thing. How my trans shows or LGBT shows have you watched?\n\n>Are you a hypocrite \n\nWhat a weird knee-jerk reaction to not being able to give a legitimate awnser to my questons.", "Shit man did you even read my comment? Just because someone hasn't been cancelled doesn't mean people aren't actively trying to cancel them.", "Seems to me that \"Cancel Culture\" just means whatever people want it to mean when its convenient\n\nhttps://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/10/jon-gruden-new-cancel-culture-martyr", "I was the right age for Chappelle's Show so I was a huge fan too. \n\nHe's not shocked. He knew he'd get all the press he ever wanted from these jokes. This is exactly what he wanted. \n\nHe's not cancelled and he's the most famous he's been in 15 years. \n\nPoor guy.", "\n>Using a deceased person who can't give their side\n\nhttps://twitter.com/DaphneDorman/status/1166937728681791488?s=20\n\nThere you go.", "Remember when Oscar was called a grouch and his rebuttal was \"bitch, I live in a fucking trash can.\"", "Did you read what I said? Or are you just closed off and arguing against whatever I say.", "\"I'm mad that they silenced me by giving me millions of dollars to say whatever I want on America's largest streaming platform!\" \n\nFuck, Dave sounds like a character from one of his sketches at this point", "> You obviously don't get the statement hes making, nor understand the argument hes making\n\nI have never seen such a fallacious argument repeated as often as around this special.\n\nIt's entirely possibly that people that take the time to discuss the special have actually seen it, understood the point Dave was attempting to make, and come to a different conclusion than you.", "But it's pretty clear that cancel culture doesn't exist if these people who've been \"canceled\" still have jobs and careers. It really seems like what you are calling canceled culture is just people using their free speech to say how they feel and put out what they want in a product in the future.", "I'm only crying because I miss when Dave had jokes and not just long diatribes without a punchline.", "Dave is a millionaire getting paid millions to say whatever he wants, so he's about as far from cancelled as you can get. \n\nBeing a famous artist comes with critics. That's just how it is.", "Have you ever considered that you viewing him as being transphobic is making you believe his comedy is hateful?", "Look up survivor bias", "Did you ever consider that I read your point and disagreed? Or that I saw the special, understood the point he was trying to make...AND DISAGREED?\n\nYou and Dave are not in charge of whose opinions are valid.", ">the public outcry from certain groups\n\nCan you be specific?\n\n>I think that was clear\n\nIt wasn't sorry. Just wondering what 'big social groups' have been pushing to have him deplatformed. Anything outside of a few Twitter users?", "George Carlin was amazing though", "When does a movement become an industry?\n\nThis WILL be on the test, Gen Z.", "So Dave walked away from his previous deal because he's racist and that made him believe that white people laughing at his jokes were doing so because they were racist?", ">Did you ever consider that I read your point and disagreed?\n\nI...I literally just asked you if that was what had happened...?", "Is criticizing an artist \"cancellation\" \n\nIf so, the phrase \"Cancel Culture' has lost all meaning.", "> A famous rich guy says something and we're not allowed to say anything back? \n\nEh - I think there's a difference between a comedian (who historically has been pretty thoughtful in his joke delivery - not just doing it for shocks only) and a racist politician who claims it's a joke after the fact.", "I'm curious. If your dismissal of this is that the outrage is \"manufactured\"-- What counts as authentic outrage for you? What outrage passes your arbitrary litmus test?", "No...you said:\n\n> Did you read what I said? Or are you just closed off and arguing against whatever I say.\n\nAs if my response didn't consider your comment.", "The first amendment doesn't make a hierarchy of free speech.", "1)You don't know what survivor bias is. 2)Give me an example of a famous celeb who's been cancelled and stayed canceled that didn't do something illegal.\n\nAlso, you should listen to this podcast.\n\nhttps://www.apa.org/research/action/speaking-of-psychology/conspiracy-theories", "Nope, I didn't watch his show back then because I found his style of bigotry as humor funny.\n\nAgain, if YOU found it funny...that says a lot about you.", "I see a lot of people complaining about how Dave should “focus on being funny”\n\nThose people need to understand that Dave is falling on this sword on purpose. In this last special, he could’ve played it safe and just kept it all smiles. But Dave believes very sincerely that cancel culture and political correctness are becoming a serious threat not only to comedy but for society as a whole, and so he is taking a stand.", "You're completely misusing this quote.\n\nPatrice was talking about how good and bad jokes both comes from being tried for the first time not using shit edgyboy jokes to grab headlines and publicity.", "I'm not sure what you're talking about. I didn't say anything about free speech. I pointed to one thing in your argument which didn't make sense.", "Man I agree, Dave has to let it go.", "He didn't just say that about Goodell. He also had that remark about the head of the players union and also has a lengthy history of jettisoning black players from his teams. These two situations aren't even remotely comparable.", "I watched the special last night. The last story about Daphne was an emotional roller coaster. I hope this is said and done for him. The haters and accusers can fuck right off!", "I wish Dave would just ignore the backlash and continue to do the same material if he wants.", "It reminds me of Jerry Seinfeld. His whole thing is \"Oh boy I'm such a huge success and celebrity...\" Make jokes or get off the stage", "But this is about the people that are. If someone attacks you with a hammer, and you complain that someone just attacked you with a hammer, the appropriate response is not, well, plenty of people aren’t attacking you with a hammer.\nAnd in this case, it’s not just criticism that he’s responding to, but the lie that he rejected an invitation to discuss the controversy with the community criticizing him. Imagine being lied about on a global scale and being told to stop “droning on about it” when you try to set the record straight. \n\nBy the way, I heard that you’re a huge fan of Pierce Morgan. Don’t try to correct me. We’ve all already come to the conclusion that you love Pierce Morgan. I’ve informed your place of work, and they are docking your pay accordingly. So stop droning on about it already.", "Yeah, you plowed straight ahead into telling me I was wrong without actually addressing anything I had said.\n\nThis doesn't feel like a genuine exchange any more. You won't listen.\n\nWould you censor me now, if you could?", "So, him getting dis-invited from film festivals, as he stated in this video, and his movie not being viewed. Is that because his \"boss\" fire him, or because people like you have been calling these festivals and give the organizers some kind of ultimatum not to invite Dave?", "Just to clarify, Goodell was not Gruden’s boss at the time of that comment. Gruden was working MNF for ESPN at the time of those emails. \n\nHe was fired for crossing some lines, but it was not for insulting his boss", "You're mistaking me not agreeing with you with not considering your argument.", "Right so why is Dave taking some heat for a joke, but ultimately not having anything close to \"consequences\", being lumped in with your John Grudens and Louis CKs \n\nDave is not cancelled. He is an artist taking criticism over his art.", "There are Black people who claim it’s impossible for themselves to be racist because of what their own race has gone through. Believe it or not, it’s possible for people to be wrong, despite them being part of an oppressed group.", "If your boss finds out you called them a F***** before you got hired your ass is still in trouble dude.", "Neat. But we are not talking about fringe members of a group...we are talking about the majority consensus of a group.", "Nope!", "Is Dave entitled to show his work wherever he wants? \n\nAre film shows not allowed to pick and choose who they think is right for their show?", "Did you even read my comment? /s", "Nope!", "I think this is a great art to critique right now. Critiquing him is a great way to expose societal phobias, because I don't think anyone has ever expressed their homo/trans phobic biases as eloquently as he did.", "It’s true. Look at his older standup and look at these last two specials and he’s really turned into a “Let me explain to you how the world works” type speaker instead of a standup comedian.", "Just because someone’s trans doesn’t make them intelligent or open minded to how comedy works.", "It is important someone stands up to this because if he cannot, then no comedian can.\n\nHe is truly too big to fail in comedy and him fighting back for free speech has big impact on the careers and the art of standup comedy for everyone else", "> Most of us\n\nMeaning you.\n\n> and we have no interest in hearing him drone on about it.\n\nMeaning you.", "Comments handing out left and right hooks", "And you're finally intellectually honest for the first time in the thread.\n\nBravo!", "> Like he made closer which was essentially a show about hesitancy\n\nDid you even watch it?", "> a special type of artist that is SUPPOSED to be controversial. \n\nYeah. So why is he upset that he caused a controversy? \n\nI'm glad Dave said the things he did because critiquing him is a great way to expose societal phobias, because I don't think anyone has ever expressed their homo/trans phobic biases as eloquently as he did. \n\nI don't him cancelled. I want what his content to be critiqued.", "I don't think he is as big of a fan of being famous as you think he is. He took a long break because he wanted to get away from the limelight. He lives in Yellow Springs, Ohio.\n\nI think he's just wildly against the idea of people telling him what he can and can't say. He's not really \"shocked\" by the response... I think he's \"shocked\" that people don't think that people should be able to voice their opinion.", "> His current batch of transphobic jokes\n\nGive us one example of a transphobic joke that Dave made. In context.", "Dave sounds like he had at least five drinks before getting on stage", "Nor does being trans exclude them that?\n\nWhat, do you think trans people lack a sense of humor?", "Yea because everyone knows Dave is all about money", "Misgendering someone purposefully is transphobic, and as said above, middle school level humor.\n\nAnd as far as the 'joke's he made on the issue...you'd be hard pressed to find specifics because the latest special didn't have many 'jokes'.", "\nYeah. I don't him cancelled. I want what his content to be critiqued.\n\nI'm glad Dave said the things he did because critiquing him is a great way to expose societal phobias, because I don't think anyone has ever expressed their homo/trans phobic biases as eloquently as he did.", "\"I could never be racist, my wife is colored!\"", "I don’t think either of those points disproves that the people doing it are annoying", "I’m kind of tired of people pretending comics “job” is to be controversial. Some great comics are controversial, but the objective is comedy. And the idea that they can never apologize, learn from their mistakes, empathize with a different perspective, grow, mature, develop, is not only antithetical to the human experience but to comedy itself. Great comedy is introspection.\n\nAnd yet, it really is starting to feel like the comedy community has begun to view ever admitting fault as a sign of weakness. Which is a shame, because I bet some really great comedy specials could come out of it.", "Whoosh!", "> What if you think \"Cancel Culture\" is a nonsense phrase\n\nFucking thank you. It's just another garbage phrase that means nothing. How do you \"cancel\" someone? Didn't that just used to mean boycott? Whenever I hear someone complain about cancel culture, it just sounds like \"I'm not allowed to get away with my shitty behavior anymore. People before me did, and it's not fair that I can't!\"", "Replace \"people trying to cancel him\" with \"the boogeyman\" and you have about as valid of a point.", "Chappelle has some genuine phobias, probably due to some bad irl experiences from LGBTQ people.", "Take that up with the guy that started all this purpose then?", "I don't think he's exactly \"cancelled\", but there sure are a shitload of people who want his specials taken down and a ton of people pretty blatantly misconstruing what he said. I didn't really like the special, but I get why he's bitter.", "I am confused as to why so many people think being a comedian makes you immune to criticism for what you say.", "If I wanted to get really mad at Andrew Dice Clay for being vulgar, I can. \n\nIt doesn't matter that he's not a politician.", "His race jokes weren't full of phobias about black people. His last special was objectively transphoic. \n\n>Which kind of validates his point that black people are in some ways still less than trans, which still to some degree benefit from white privilege.\n\nWhy play this dumb game Chappelle wants us to play \n\n There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Chappelle's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Conversion therapy is legal in 30 states. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths\n\nHe always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complained 'why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name'. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research?", "But he’s kinda dismissing the ones who do have an issue with him as if they don’t exist.", "He's gotta feign being upset/confused so that the dollars keep rolling in from supporters.", "-stadium full of people cheers-", "Hannah Gatsby not funny - never a truer word spoken.", "> Most of us couldn't care less about the outrage brigade and the controversy\n\nLiterally the ONLY two times I have heard about it, was in his two specials...", "Yeah, they should stop worshiping celebrities and understand that they are open to critique just like everyone else.", "It’s the worst. Echo chamber, circle jerk bullshit.", "But only the way WE want it!", "probably a joke, but Chappelle definitely stole a lot of their anti-BLM rhetoric and repackaged it to complain about the LGTBQ people.", "Stand up to what? He’s not a victim of anything. He’s not being cancelled. He’s more successful than ever. He’s turning into a whiny old rich bitch.", "I'm glad Dave said the things he did because critiquing him is a great way to expose societal phobias, because I don't think anyone has ever expressed their homo/trans phobic biases as eloquently as he did. \n\nI don't him cancelled. I want what his content to be critiqued.", "You don't think he went into this knowing exactly what he was doing? \n\nDave is not some kid.", "All this bitching and moaning about \"Cancel Culture\" drives me fucking mad. These people are comedians, they should know who came before them. You want to talk about comedians getting \"canceled\", sure let's do it. Let's talk about Lenny fucking Bruce. Lenny Bruce was arrested on obscenity charges saying \"cocksucker\" because it was they said it promoted homosexuality. That's getting canceled. Having a few people tweet at you because you decided to make some shitty jokes is not \"being canceled\". You're being paid millions of dollars to record a special for the biggest streaming platform in the world.", "He isn’t a victim. He is standing up for younger nameless, faceless comics who are getting squeezed in all directions on what kind of material is ok and what is not. \n\nComedy is comedy. Some one had to be like “fuck that, I will keep making jokes” and set a precedent for other less powerful comics to follow.", "Its not wrong for people to address the \"cancel culture\" hypocrisy. The reaction from the community to his special is part of the process. If you talk about controversial subjects you have to expect a reaction. That's not cancelling anyone but...\n\nIts also not wrong for Dave to respond to the hypocrisy of their lying and pointing out how they work so hard to silence anyone not within their acceptable limits. They are making this fuss to silence his opinion and jokes. They knew that making this issue so noticeable would lead to the investor class getting this way. They started with Netflix but made it public to make it hurt. This investors have to keep the appearance of being on their side or face the same response. Unless you're a politician. Apparently, making mischaracterizations and calling the community \"demons\" doesn't get the same level of attention.", "The funny thing is young kids today are pretty much taking on the roll of 90s parents trying to get rap music banned from the radio.\n\nEdit: it's actually a perfect analogy. There is tons of rap music that is super demeaning to women, promotes violence, is anti-gay, etc. And parents from that period demanded that societies ears didn't need to hear it. We needed to protect everyone from that speech... well that's exactly the belief today - all the way down to warnings on CDs for language and vulgarity (ah hm I mean trigger warnings)\n\nEdit: just makes me think of tiny Karen’s calling venues Dave Chappelle is performing at yelling to talk to the manager and how “I’m going to destroy your business if you don’t listen to me!” Lol", "He’s totally acting like a Karen. No one is canceling him. Some people think he’s kind of off base, and they’re disappointed. Other people love it and he’s getting attention for it. He’s doing great and acting like a diva about it.", "Can I ask what the jokes he made towards the trans community were? I've heard all about the complaints made towards Dave but I've never actually seen the controversial jokes.", "And he’s fuckin condescending about it like “you morons could never understand, so I’ll explain it to you, so listen closely”. Sometimes standup comedians have their heads so far up their own asses they think they can’t say anything dumb.", "Do you mind if I ask where you saw Jeselnik's comments on Dave's special? Its been a little tough tracking down some of these responses from different comics, wish there was a compilation somewhere for my lazy ass to watch", "He turned down money once (when he left CC). The difference was that he he felt people were laughing at his expense. He was so bothered by this he left behind 10s of millions of dollars. Somehow he doesn’t mind when people laugh at the expense of others. Snowflake comedian I guess.", "Every bit, including the credits and thanks to norm \n\nHe was having the whole \"please lgbtq people stop punching down on my people\" thing at the end.\n\nHe's hesitant to accept the idea that movements for minority groups are complex and complicated", "I’m sick, bird. I need some smack, bird.", "Judging by the massive sum Netflix paid him for those two specials…he really doesn’t", "I did not at any point say he was cancelled. But I don't think he's going to get that documentary published via normal channels", "1) Fuck right off. Survivor bias is, by definition, exactly what the argument you are making is, don't stick your fingers in your ears and just Google it for gods sake.\n\n2) Oooh so it only counts if you never hear from them again???? Getting projects removed and losing movies like Louis CK isn't really being cancelled because you do stand up again years later, Johnny Depp wasn't cancelled because he's still rich or something. Denying that cancel culture exists or changing the definition so that it literally can't exist is the conspiracy here.\n\nI'm not listening to a podcast about what makes conspiracy theorists you clown.\n\n2) Here's a list\nhttps://www.buzzfeed.com/laurengarafano/celebrities-who-shouldnt-have-been-cancelled", "Why?", "That's an example of a joke Dave made in context?", "Did I suggest he didn't? He knows he's baiting people who are going to be offended by the material. He also knows that a bunch of people who didn't actually watch it are going to read third or fourth hand accounts of it and be mad about it. That's a big part of the statement he's trying to make. I don't really like the way he went about making it, but I get where he's coming from.", "Ok maybe he's still afloat DESPITE the bogeyman.\n\nSo we saying the bogeyman existsor people never try to cancel people.", "“I have plenty of black friends, but....” I can’t believe people still fall for this stupid shit.", "Nope, trying to get people fired and pressuring businesses to deplatform them is cancelling.", "Comedy has changed from a free expression of making an audience laugh. \n\nTo here's a list of things you can say..... Guess everybody is going to start silencing everybody now. \n\nEssentially, we're all secular again. Trans can only laugh at trans, Asians/Asians, redheads/redheads, and so on and so forth. Yay! Progress!", "I'm not going to search for a transcript to get the exact wording but he very clearly does it for a joke at the end of his story about Daphne.", "Which is why he released this special free on his websites, yeah.", "Is Dave transphobic or is it just jokes?", "People \"canceling\" people has been going for thousands of years of human history, instead now it's people boycotting a person and corporations responding if the money lost is going to be more than the money gained.\n\nTo call this a new phenomena and acting like it's some liberal conspiracy against the right is laughable. It's the same as people protesting CRT teaching in highschool, despite that not being done anywhere. It's just a boogeyman scary word to throw away for headline clicks.", "He was on Andrew Santino's podcast [Whiskey Ginger](https://youtu.be/tVmdUvbADC0). I listened to it the other day so I don't remember exactly when he talks about it but if you're a fan of his the whole podcast is a good listen.", "Since his comeback, Chappelle has been front and centre not so much as a comedian, but as an orator with a cause, with that cause being the way black people are treated in the US. And fair enough too. Even to me, a white aussie who's never been to the US, his special 8:46 was extraordinarily powerful.\n\nHowever, when I watched the Closer the other night, I found it distasteful not because of his content about LGBTQ+ people (which I honestly found to be pretty mild, and many LGBTQ+ people that I know would have found it funny), but because the entire point of it was that black people are bigger victims than LGBTQ+ people. The entire thing was him saying \"my race has had it worse than your gender/sexuality\".\n\nAnd honestly, I find ANY oppression olympics content to be distasteful. Any time there's any kind of mention of someone having it bad, they almost always get silenced with \"well, we've got it worse\". Chappelle is doing it here to LGBTQ+ people. Many people do it to male victims of DV (women have it worse). LG people do it to BT people.\n\nIt's possible to recognise and have empathy for anothers struggle without saying you have it worse than them. People need to learn this.", "I mean… you watched the 5 minute clip right? Where he mentioned that a movie a bunch of festivals were actively interested in now has had those invitations rescinded, how he can’t find a studio willing to produce/distribute it? A movie that is on an entirely different subject matter? \n\nOf course this requires taking him at his word, but if we assume he’s being honest (or at least mostly so), there’s a pretty clear way he’s being silenced.\n\nEdit : to clarify for all the people saying “that’s how the world works”, that’s a separate discussion. I’m not arguing the merits of “being cancelled” because I don’t think it’s cut and dry enough to be worth our time, I’m just pointing out that (if we take Chapelle at his word) he is being “silenced” in a way. \n\nHis question (paraphrased and interpreted by me) is “What do my jokes about transexuals, which I maintain are made from a respectful place, have to do with my views on a black man being murdered in America. Why are you “cancelling” one because of the other?”", "I do cause he makes it funny", "Oh, and joking about Daphne is transphobic now?", "George Carlin's 7 words.", "Good god how many leaps of bad faith can you make in a single thread?", "Yo what the hell is that ‘s garbage? Did you mean decries? Who uses a word like decries but doesn’t know that it’s not possessive?", "Is your take that no one is allowed to criticize a comedian? \n\nIs your take that only a certain amount of people are allowed to criticize him, but after that they are meanies?", "Wait, you're saying /u/Silvershanks hasn't been elected representative of all comedy fans? Whew!\n\n... I thought I just slept through the vote.", "Yes? That's literally the market, yes.\n\nNo one is required to GIVE YOU MONEY to do stuff.", "Agree to disagree but I sort of think he's transcended past that. He's a world famous dude with a very unique opinion and stance on things that a lot of people want to hear. George Carlin (which reddit fucking loves) got to that point too in his prime. Cracking jokes while also bringing up great political commentary, but always making sure to get the message through regardless of whether it was funny or not. He was a real one.", "Who’s overseeing this and counting votes?", "I watched the first 45 minutes. Didn’t laugh once. His bits about a strip club where girls rub dirt on their feet or beating up a lesbian who looked like a man were supposed to be funny? And a lot of his anecdotes seemed slightly fictionalized. Turned it off.", "Is it your take that lying about someone is a valid form of criticism?", "Imagine being so soft you think people not liking you is cancel culture. Dave needs to grow up.", "He’s the best. I can’t wait to get beyond this outrage. It’s exhausting.", "Considering the same phrase is being used for a comedian taking a little critical heat and for people being arrested for sex crimes, yeah I'm going to go ahead and agree its a meaningless phrase.", "I'm not sure if you replied to the right person but I didn't imply any of that wasn't the case. It's just easier now for small groups of angry people to do what would previously have taken larger organizations or even powerful industry leaders to do.", "> I think once enough people begin to rally against you, you have effectively been canceled.\n\nTIL Jesus Christ Superstar was effectively cancelled.\n\nTIL Dungeons and Dragons was effectively cancelled.\n\nTIL Harry Potter was effectively cancelled.\n\nThe list goes on and on....", "Ole dave can drop this crap, but oh god forbid Roseanne does. Such hypocrisy.", "All these people have beef with Dave and I'm over here knowing he's one of the best comedians we will see in our lifetime.", "Some trans people lack a sense of humor, absolutely. Some don’t lack it. Some have a different sense of humor. Humans are a mixed bag man.", "Booze.", ">Oooh so it only counts if you never hear from them again\n\nThis just proves that you don't know what cancel culture this thing you're defending even if. If they still have a career then they didn't really get canceled thus proving cancel culture doesn't exist.\n\n>projects removed and losing movies like Louis CK\n\nAgain that called branding. It's not different than a company dropping R.Kelly as a spoke person.\n\n>Denying that cancel culture exists or changing the definition so that it literally can't exist is the conspiracy here.\n\nYou literally just tried to change the definition. I think it's pretty clear by now you have zero clue what you are taking about.\n\nAlso, you should really take a good look at that list a lot of those people still have careers.", "What..a..fucking...asshole", "God forbid people actually are held accountable, even if they're famous", "Free speech means the government can't arrest you for speech. Not that the Times can't write a mean review. \n\nJesus, people.", "Absolutely I agree. Criticizing is not cancelling. Cancelling is literally trying to deplatform them rather than just criticizing. This is the problem. Happened countless times at my university. I understand disagreeing but to prevent people from speaking is ridiculous.", "I actually work in a community center that focuses on queer outreach. Meaning, I know people in the queer community both liberal and conservative that have the same view on the subject.\n\nWhat do you have? A bunch of straight and cis redditors?", ">corporate propaganda\n\nYou have my interest, how the fuck is any of this corporate propaganda?", "And the majority of the trans community, including those with a sense of humor, find it offensive.", "> No one is canceling him. \n\nWhat? There have literally been protests/walkouts outside of Netflix HQ ordering his show be pulled down and that he give an apology lmao. He literally just said that his movie has begun being rejected because no studio will take it post-controversy. That's literally the definition of what cancelling is- someone's career being cancelled, stunted, or ruined from a social media outcry demanding such", "Do you really think the argument is \"people shouldn't be held accountable\"? Come on don't be obtuse.", "Why is he bitter if he knowingly went into this knowing what was going to happen and got a nice check for it at the end of the day?", "to a huge crowd of cheering fans", "I love the irony so much. How many people you think laughed at THAT joke?", "Who has been cancelled?", "Dave funny make troons seethe and doesn't afraid of anything.", "So what is not right with their show? Is it that the movie is about the murder of George Floyd? Or because the one who made it make jokes about trans people?", "He’s got a website?", "Is the Soviet Union where film festivals are required to show the films deemed acceptable by the Oligarchs? \n\nOr is this a capitalist society where film festivals can do whatever they want?\n\nIf a studio doesn't think he'll make them money right now why the hell would they sign on for a project?\n\nThis isn't the Soviet Union. Chappelle isn't an oligarch that everyone has to bow down to.", "I've been a fan of his since Chappelle show, still watch it occasionally and enjoyed his other specials. This one sucked enough that I really no longer care what he does or has to say.", "Some examples: https://www.buzzfeed.com/laurengarafano/celebrities-who-shouldnt-have-been-cancelled\n\nBut if you define cancelled as people who have lost projects, money and influence because of social media backlash then like... A fucking ton of people.", "10 ply", "[You might want to look into how Carlin actually felt.](https://youtu.be/F8yV8xUorQ8)", "Or...his future projects are not getting picked up because each of his Netflix specials became progressively less funny and also less profitable and he's using 'cancel culture' for an excuse.\n\nThe point is that things that are actually high quality don't even bother addressing those critics...much less make half of their most recent works about it.", "That isn't what I asked though. You deliberately ignored it, and brought up a point about no one being required to give you money, despite that not being the case because a contract was signed in this case, lmao. They offered the money because people wanted these specials.\n\nThere IS a market for the work, that has been established. A group of people protesting platforms carry it isn't allowing the market to carry itself out, that is a group of people telling you what you are allowed to see.", "In the Soviet Union there were certain approved films and that is what cinemas had to show. \n\nMaybe you'd like that better.", "Freedom of speech prevents the government from coming down on you.\n\nHowever, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences", "Yeah I knew I was going to get downvoted for my opinion but it wasn’t that great. It was okay but seemed like a commentary explaining shit, not really a comedy routine. But to each their own", "> What if you think \"Cancel Culture\" is a nonsense phrase and you just believe in reasonable consequences for people's actions?\n\nI would say people who believe that really need to hear what he's saying. \n\nI have a friend who is a self proclaimed \"Cancel Warrior\". He spends all day fuming on social media about who/what they should cancel next. He is completely unaware that he is contributing to the problem.", "I disagree with you on this comment.\n\nBut, I'm not going to go out of my way to make sure you can no longer post comments.\n\nAnd even more important, I'm not going go out of my way to find you and make sure you no longer have a job or the ability to work.\n\nDavid Chappelle does not have \"Shitty behavior.\" He has an opinion.\n\nAnd I say this as a white person who David Chappelle himself has said he hates.", "I think the disconnect is you think saying a child molester was cancelled means they shouldn't have been cancelled. Thats not the case. Cancelling applies to both scenarios, you just don't like equating the two.", "He does have a website and all it has on it is merch you can buy. \n\nBut he's not about the money.", "Are you even responding to me? It feels like the things you’re saying have no relation to the things I said. I’m genuinely at a loss.", "Jeslenik had me at 9/11 babies. One of the funniest skits I ever seen!", "Maybe you'd prefer life in the Soviet Union where the rich decide what movies you can watch, what music you can listen to, and that's it. \n\nDo not disrespect comrade Chappelle as he is a well connected oligarch!", "I feel like he’s making a stand And I totally support it!!", "And at the end of the day, nobody owes anyone a thing. Dave can say what he wants, and people can disagree with it as vocally as they want. This idea that Dave (or anyone) should get a pass because they are a comedian is ridiculous. I’m sure there’s some shit people can say about Dave that he’s take offense to.", "10000%", "What about his film that is literally being cancelled now by film studios and festivals because of this controversy? I don't know how you don't consider that cancel culture.", " Shhh! Comrade. Do not speak ill of Dave Chappelle -- the oligarchs at Netflix have deemed his special as something all citizens should see. Do not let them hear you talking negatively about it!", "So he’s not streaming it for free?", "Seems like a commercial for whatever movie he's talking about", "Well lets start with this part, this person \"doesn't want to listen to him rant about trans people for 2 hours\" despite that isn't the full content of the show, or even an accurate length of it.\n\nThey didn't come to this conclusion because they saw the show, it literally came from articles from corporately owned sources that framed the show one specific way, despite the fact that isn't the only way you could interpret it.\n\nIf you watched the content, and didn't like it, that is fair. If you know his comedy doesn't interest you and don't watch, that is fair too. But if you form an opinion based off of an opinion piece that cherry picks quotes and drives a specific narrative, it's the literal definition of corporate propaganda, lol.", "If you act shitty on Reddit and get banned that's not getting \"cancelled\" quit being so damn dramatic.", "> hes making sure you get out of the way for people who do want to hear what he has to say.\n\n\"Let me do whatever I want, however I want, and how dare you suggest there are consequences for my actions!\" Yup! Got it! We are in perfect agreement here. Thanks for your insights! Very helpful indeed. I am so glad we can put this issue to rest. Finally. Thanks again for allowing us to address this non-existent confusion you keep finding in other people's statements. I hope this has cleared it up for you.", "Sure you do", "Dave is taking bullets for comedians everywhere and he's the only one who can do it. I say keep going.", "It seems like the special is still up but Netflix did attempt to fire a few trans employees for criticizing it.\n\nSo who exactly is being cancelled here?", "What difference does it make? Businesses are in business to do business. If you running your mouth makes the product unsellable then it doesn't matter if its good.", "You can point out how much faster LGBT rights have advanced compared to black rights since LGBT activists started fighting back against their oppression last century without coming out as a fucking terf.", "I’m glad he made a statement about it. We’ve seen what happens when people ignore the woke mob. People like him who have the spotlight on him need to acknowledge it and stand up to it. He’s a hero of our time not bowing to them. I appreciate him for it.", "100% agreed, a lot of the jokes were lackluster. But also, the better part of that special wasn’t jokes at all! I’m usually inclined toward giving comedians some space to test boundaries while making jokes, but you have to actually be telling jokes. If you’re going to interrupt your comedy special to give a 20 minute opinion speech about your bigoted views with the occasional one-off joke, then those opinions are totally fair game for criticism like any other opinions, and you don’t get to play the “but it’s just comedy” card.", "Oh, so you’re like the republicans that call any republican who doesn’t agree with them a RINO. Dope.", "As he was leading into the anti trams terf stuff he had a series of jokes where people accused him of being misogynistic and his 'joke' was 'I love bitches I don't understand ' combined with a couple weird shots at women. The special was bad, because of the terf shit and also if you take that out the other half of the special mostly sucks too.", "So let's go through this list then:\n\n1) Tabloids paint person as being a slut, people start hating her. Sucks, but hardly \"cancel culture\", because tabloids have been doing this since day 1.\n\n2) The Chicks: Right wingers cancel them over criticism of G.W.Bush.\n\n3) Janet Jackson: Right leaning news corporations punish a women for having breasts in a stunt involving a man pulling down her top. Those damn liberals!\n\n4) Rebecka Black: Bullied by people on the internet because she uploaded a fun song she made with friends that went viral. She wasn't a celebrity, she wasn't cancelled, she was bullied by assholes. Happens every single day in a world where videos can be widely spread. Not cancel culture.\n\n5) A person with disabilities is bullied by tabloids into a hermit life. Sad, but also not really cancel culture. \n\n6) Anakin Skywalker's Actor: This is probably the first actual case of unfair cancel culture. Someone was bullied for his mediocre acting at the beginning of his career for a character nerds were obsessed with in a movie he neither wrote nor produced. This is the only one so far that stands out as very unfair.\n\nHowever, there's other actors who have been through the same thing: take Robert Pattison: he took a very rough career coming into the spotlight as Edward in Twilight, and has in recent years completely turned around his reputation by showing that he's a formidable and well-rounded actor, to the point where he is literally the next face of Batman.\n\nSo I don't really see the same kind of cancel culture you keep harping on about: Dave said shit things about people who get shit from all over all the time. The last thing they need is a privileged, insanely rich comedian making fun of them and then crying that he's \"cancelled\". \n\nIf other, smaller people than him are \"cancelled\" for saying horrible shit, then fuck them. They don't deserve an audience.", "well, \"Cancel Culture\" if it exists took a big Loss with the Netflix employee debacle. That was a joke and didn't help their cause that they prominently destroyed a guys sign\\* merely saying \"Joke are Funny\" and then had the nerve to yell HES GOT A WEAPON, hoping cops would bum rush him or god knows what.", "Chappelle is one of the greats, but he’s so far off on this shit he’s circling the sun.", "One employee was suspended for tweeting about the special. So she did not walk out on her job.", "\"Cancel culture\" is just another way of saying \"my views are unpopular and I'm facing consequences\". Well...yes. His racial humor was topical and wasn't punching down.\n\nDude's on the wrong side of history. \n\nHe's so brave, taking a stand against those mean gay and trans folk, who are obviously the biggest threat to the black community 🙄", "Why is Dave the one that has to “grow and change and understand their perspective and mature”. That group seems pretty damn immature to me (cancellers, not trans people). Shouldn’t they also be understanding of his perspective too? I think if they were they wouldn’t really be trying to cancel him and see that he’s not their enemy.", "Ironically we midwesterners don't typically judge how 'normal' coast dwellers are based on where they reside geographically...just saying that's a strange take on his choice to live in Ohio.\n\nAside from this I don't think this special was meant to be anything other than a commentary, and the outrage is proving Dave Chappelle right. Yeah I sure as shit would have preferred a different subject, mostly because I can't believe our society still hasn't figured this crap out for all marginalized groups, but we haven't and it seems like Chappelle is using his platform to force a conversation.\n\nTo your point maybe this guy is washed up and doesn't understand sex and gender. Or maybe saying he used low-hanging fruit to cash a check is easier than confronting ongoing racism against the Black community, a topic for which Dave's jokes were widely acclaimed. Certainly I don't know him personally and can't attest to his true intentions.", "That's just the free market doing what it does...those companies don't want to be associated with controversy. This is nothing new and has gone on for a very long time.", "He's not in it for the money, he just got paid 60 million dollars to lock his important message behind a paywall.", "He's upset that LGBT rights for white people seem have have exceeded black rights in many ways. Rather than celebrating the success of another oppressed group he gets bitter and vindictive and throws an extended fit about how he's being censored while making millions on one of the largest media distribution platforms in the world, with his special getting huge numbers of views.", "I was responding to the idea that comedians never have to apologize for being controversial. We clearly feel very different about trans rights, so I’m not gonna waste any time getting into that.", "Isn't it a Karen move to call up places, demand to speak to management, and write nasty reviews if they don't get their way? \n\nBecause that's what people protesting him are doing...\n\nEdit: holy shit Karens... I can only take so many downvotes before I bend to your will and agree with you", "[https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/11/22720724/netflix-suspends-trans-employee-tweeted-dave-chappelle-the-closer](https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/11/22720724/netflix-suspends-trans-employee-tweeted-dave-chappelle-the-closer)\n\n(there are other sources, this one just didn't have a paywall)\n\nYou also get the bonus of a reminder that Dave Chappelle canceled himself a few years ago.", "I’m saying everything he does isn’t for money. Not he does nothing for money.", "Thanks fam! I just saw the ep pop up on my youtube homepage and was just thinking maybe this is where he said that since the ep was only from a few days ago.\n\n\nAbout to jump in. Thanks again", "It sounds like a lot of these people would prefer the Soviet Union were a certain group of movies and movie makers were allowed to work and you just had to be quiet and accept that.", ">legitimate awnser to my questons.\n\nIf that's the case then lets forget your straw man argument about what you did or did not like about the special. So you watched you from beginning to end. Congratulations you can now go meet Dave. I'll be jealous that you get to meet him while I cannot. I feel like you can't say the same thing.\n\n>How my trans shows or LGBT shows have you watched?\n\nSo many I can't even begin to count. I have no problems with who loves who or how they express themselves.\n\n>Yes because people like you\n\nTwo things. First I wasn't the one that said that. It was Dave that said it in his special. And second, the much worst here is that is prejudice. Look the definition up or I'll just save you the trouble. \n\" an assumption or an opinion about someone simply based on that person's membership to a particular group.\" \n\n\n>This forced me to watch it before I made any judgment. \n\nJust so we're clear you were not forced to watch it, you chose to watch it. Your own words there, not mine. You manufactured your own outrage.", "Did you watch his special from start to finish?", "I mean he says in his rebuttal that he's been disinvited to film events for his new documentary...", "I can't use my freedom of speech to share my opinion of him and his film with Netflix? Why do you hate the constitution??", "> Yo what the hell is that ‘s garbage?\n\nDude...[stick remove, from eye...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_7:5#Content), whathaveyou.", "You'd be high af if you thought a studio won't make money on a Dave Chappelle documentary", "Yeah he doesn’t have a phobia. He doesn’t jump up into a chair and ‘eek!’ when a trans person enters the room. He’s nervous around them because that group has a strong tendency lately to try and end people’s livelihoods if they don’t say what trans people want. He doesn’t have a problem with a trans person. He has problems with trans people collectively, as in, the mob.", "Some randos on Twitter have disproportionate voice over ... one guy that got 60 million dollars to broadcast whatever he wanted to the entire country?", "This comment should discredit any input you have on this topic because that's not at all what the idea is, but a ridiculous and easy strawman to argue against. Nobody has any issue with people criticizing things. That's how we as a people evolve culturally. \n\nWhat people have issue with is when criticism is purposefully set out to aggressively, and at the behest of a minority, resolve in the curation, or sanitization of spaces for religious or ideological purposes.\n\nMuslim extremists can be mad at the depiction of Muhammed in a cartoon, and we can champion their right to speak out against it, while at the same time recognizing that caving to fear and demanding the largest private sources of this content engage in strict moderating (censoring) so we don't offend anyone be both restrictive and dangerous to the evolution of culture.", "I didn’t say that. Read again.", "if his special offended you, eat a bowl of dicks.", "In his rebuttal that we all watched on the worlds biggest video platform?", "Because the fact he knew it would happen doesn't make it OK. He's making the point that it SHOULDN'T happen. What better way than to show it happening and talk about it as it does?\n\nLook at Rosa Parks. She knew there would be controversy over that bus seat, but she did it because she should absolutely be allowed to do it. Controversy be damned", "What am I harping on exactly in your mind? All I've done is defend the premise that cancel culture actually exists and that some people are trying to actively cancel Chapelle, so far unsuccessfully. Which I don't think you actually disagree with in principle. I included that list because it has people in it who actually did lose their careers and never came back, often because of cancel culture on the right, rather than the left, which is obviously real. I haven't made any judgement calls on who deserves what and the fact that some people don't get permenantly cancelled or recover from it doesn't change anything. \n\nYou're coming at me from all sorts of angles trying to imply I'm saying what I've never actually said apparently to avoid admitting the only point I've actually made. Do you or do you not think people are actively trying to cancel Dave Chappelle?", "It’s a general point. It takes someone as big as Dave to be able to withstand it. If this were a special for a small comic they would have been quickly deleted.", "So they are required to make the flick because comrade Chappelle demands it?", "> Honestly wish he could just get back to doing comedy about racist white people\n\nYes, how dare dave venture away from the safety of attacking white people. Doesn't he know that everyone else is a protected species?\n\nWhy is it every time I hear about a group trying to cancel Dave, its not fuckin white people? They're the ones he's attacked the most, yet we get on with our lives without constantly moaning about it. They're jokes, we get it.\n\n>There are rational people out here trying to live our lives not constantly looking for causes to attach identity to. These people can find what he's saying and doing pretty stupid.\n\nAnd like you, they're free to simply not watch his shows. There is no law compelling you or anyone else to watch them. Daves style and content has been roughly unchanged for 20 years. He's been making jokes about the alphabet people for at least that long.\n\nAnyone dumb enough to be offended by words, who decides to watch a Chapelle show anyway and then gets offended by said words is terminally stupid. You want to live in a little safety bubble where your precious feelings aren't hurt? Fine. But how much is the rest of society expected to participate in your delusion?", "I can answer that as well as you can answer my question of what answer of mine will pass your arbitrary litmus test? Good luck we're all counting on you.", "That's not what \"getting cancelled\" is though....it's simply a company not wanting to deal with controversy and have their name associated with it. It's happened for a very long time.", "I had not heard of Hannah Gadsby until this. I watched Nanette. He's right, it's not funny. \n\nI'm not saying that it doesn't have good performance value, but it's not funny, wasn't meant to be funny. When all the reviews and critics talk about the rawness, pain, suffering, they are not describing something funny. Not sure why it's billed as a comedy special. It is more of a one-woman show by a humorist. \n\nWhen I watched Chappelle's last stand up, there were jokes and laughs. I'm neither a lesbian woman nor a black man, but one was funny, the other was not.", "I watched it first-hand. He spent 80% of it complaining about being called a transphobe and proving he is a transphobe. The first 10 minutes were funny. I wish he had told more jokes instead of devoting his whole show to complaining about his perceived mistreatment.", "Sure, in the same way people have to every single celebrity since they existed. Have a good night grandpa\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostracism", "No, I'm saying it's obvious that, after having been to and invited to many events; then after all this nonsense, that all stops, that he was effectively \"cancelled\" to a degree.", "What a pretentious comment.", "He made it clear in this speech that he's essentially being canceled. He's being uninvited from events, he's having trouble getting his film out. This isn't a phase of his comedy he's reacting to the world. He's reacting to corporate interests who are trying to f*** him over.", "...Yes?", "[https://people.com/tv/netflix-suspends-3-staffers-for-trying-to-attend-executive-meeting-uninvited-reports/](https://people.com/tv/netflix-suspends-3-staffers-for-trying-to-attend-executive-meeting-uninvited-reports/)\n\nNetflix has more than 500 directors? You know they just used that giant streamed meeting as an excuse right? Have you ever had a job?", "This would be that \"free market\" we've heard so much about ;- )\n\nThey simply don't want to deal with the shit and that's their call as a business.", "Lol, sore loser.", "Yeah not everything -- Just this \"important stand against cancel culture\" that he got paid 60 million dollars to lock behind a paywall", "The thing is, we probably don’t feel different about trans rights! Which is what’s so crazy here. They should be able to use whatever bathroom they want. They should be treated with the same respect and dignity as everyone else and people should call them by whatever pronoun they want. As long as they’re not suicide bombing, I’m pretty cool with most groups of people haha.\n\nBut they also need to realize that most people have trouble wrapping their head around the way they are. It’s a strange concept for many. So just be a little more gracious to that fact and they would get so much further than if they just tried to sweep away anybody who is even the slightest bit critical.", "I didn't present any goals or qualifications that could be misconstrued as a test, so your come back doesn't make any sense.\n\nCan you answer the question or not?", "Keep pretending to be a victim, fuck boi", "The government isn't blocking Dave. Companies are choosing not to platform him.", "That's why so many celebrities and right-wing talkshow hosts love whining about \"cancel culture.\" It's an opportunity for them to shut down valid criticism by claiming they are fighting cancel culture. Here is the cycle:\n\n1. Be an asshole towards an underrepresented group.\n\n2. Get criticized.\n\n3. Complain about cancel culture and how you're being victimized by a small subset of people (who don't have your wealth or power) on social media.\n\n4. Get millions more views, fans, and money. \n\n5. Repeat.", "He just had a special come out that was in the top 10 on the biggest streaming platform for weeks. This isn't someone getting forced down people's throat.\n\nIf you want to watch, watch and if you don't, don't. But there is clearly a large audience who wants to hear what he has to say. \n\nAnd there is also a large portion of people who don't want those who care what Chappelle has to say to have the ability to listen because they determined him to be transphobic.\n\nThat's what cancel culture is trying to accomplish. I should be able to watch what I want to, and others shouldn't be trying to shut down that voice that I choose to hear.\n\nWhich going by what Chappelle is saying with his documentary, is the case.", "Saying that \"Pressuring Netflix to remove it\" is a problem is telling people that they shouldn't share their opinion of the situation with the company, no? Doesn't the constitution protect free speech and using your voice to invoke change? Isn't that the basis of protest?", "I sure do. \n\nI'm sure you can find some like this in this subreddit. That idea that someone doesn't think cancel culture exists is comically bizarre to me.", "Oh he's a top 10 oligarch! Don't let the KGB hear you say you didn't like the special!", "so, he's taking a stand against political correctness by correcting people politically\n\ncause that speech sounds like a party rally to me", "But these are private companies, not the government. They can play or not play whatever they feel like", "Who's pretending to be a victim???? You've been a twat this whole conversation trying to score points or something against me for stuff I was obviously not saying and when it turned out you didn't actually disagree with me you called me a grandpa and went off in a huff.\n\nWhat did you actually want to get out of this???", "The \"cancel culture\"/Chappelle stuff starts around the [59 minute mark](https://youtu.be/tVmdUvbADC0?t=3540), with the Chappelle part specifically coming in right at 1:01. It's only about 5 minutes total but well worth a listen. The entire conversation is great (I've never heard a long-form podcast interview with Jeselnik, so thanks /u/Captain_Saftey for putting me onto it) and I really recommend listening to the whole thing. If you're only interested in the Chappelle part I still recommend starting where I linked to as it gives a bit of context for his criticism of Dave, if you can even call it that. As /u/Captain_Saftey already said, he's really complimenting Dave by saying that the \"jokes\" just aren't really up to the standard set by Chappelle and he wishes he would just talk about something else already. Which I'd say is how a huge chunk of Chappelle fans feel. At the end of the day, Dave is his own person and can do what he wants. He doesn't have to bow down to his fans or \"play the hits\" so to speak, he's free to speak about what he wants as an artist. We're equally free to tune it out if we don't find it interesting/illuminating/insightful/whatever.", "It's applause comedy.", "News flash, no one says news flash anymore.", "No it isn’t. You are trying to suppress the speech of other people by pushing to remove it. \n\nThe constitution only protects speech from the government. It has nothing to do with this situation.", "You haven't given me any example of a cancelled person that's remotely close to the situation Dave Chapelle is facing.", "A professor stepped down from his class teaching at Cornell because he showed \"Othello\" that has black face in it.\n\nA professor was disinvited to speak about climate change at MIT because he wrote an op-ed indicating he believed in merit based applications over DEI. \n\nMany people are fine with Gruden getting fired. That doesn't mean there isn't tons of \"cancel culture\" that seems to be extremely overboard.", "There were people trying to get Netflix to take down his special. I'm not sure how you can say that's just \"people not liking you\".\n\nEdit: lol... it's like the difference between a pizza delivery guy fucking up and you deciding to leave no tip vs calling up his manager and demanding he get fired... There is a huge difference and people are trying to get him fired. That's more than \"disliking\" someone that's seeking retribution against them.", "What’s so strange about the concept?", "No, because Dave Chapelle has not actually been cancelled yet, as I said repeatedly. But people are TRYING to cancel him. Again, its like you want me to be saying something i'm not and you're mad im not following the script.", "He is free to say whatever he wants. No one is silencing him. They are encouraging Netflix to not give his speech a platform. No one is required to give someone else a platform for their speech.\n\nEdit: I demand Netflix give ME a special.", ">f that's the case then lets forget your straw man argument about what you did or did not like about the special.\n\nYou should look up what a straw man is. Asking questions isn't a straw man. \n\n>Two things. First I wasn't the one that said that\n\nThat isn't how the human language works I can show you where you said it.\n\n>the much worst here is that is prejudice.\n\nActually you are wrong. You assuming I made about your because \"assumption or an opinion about someone simply based on that person's membership to a particular group.\" In reality it based on everything you said thus far. Have some self respect and personal responsibility. For example your the one who tried to imply I hate other races. You also called me a cracker. A racist white term for white person. So really your the hypocrite.\n\n>Just so we're clear you were not forced to watch\n\nWe both know that isn't true since your the one who drew the lined in the sand. You are just made that you lost an argument trick because I actually watched.", "And I am saying that is a problem.", "Until he wasn't. (I saw one of his last shows. He may have been trying out new material, but it was unfunny.)", "That's the point, comrade.", "What part of don't watch if you don't want to watch but others should be able to watch if they want to sounds authoritarian to you?", "I liked The Closer, especially the first half, but it's definitely the weakest of his specials. From what I've read, his standup events on the cornfield were hilarious, so I hope we get a Netflix or DVD release of the documentary", "Right and that's how it should be.", "His views are unpopular to a loud MINORITY on social media and the corporations bend over backwards for them. Don't ever think you are in the majority.", "I've always been told to \"vote with my wallet\". Telling Netflix they are going to lose my money is warning them I'm going to vote with my wallet. I'm not sure I see any problem with that.", "Real drunk.\n\nAnd honestly, I was trying to beat 15,000 people out of Bridgestone.\n\nI did not succeed.", "I just mean they’re people who are uncomfy in their own skin, so much so that they’re willing to undergo surgery to feel more themselves. Changing the genitals they were born with even. That’s tough for a lot of people to get. Most people are pretty happy with the hand they were dealt at birth. Trans is a deviation but that doesn’t make ‘em deviants. That nuance can be trouble for dummies and we got a lot in America.", "When you get a disproportionate voice due to the way Twitter works that’s a problem. Or the way the media picks winners and losers.", "I see I misunderstood the point you were making. I thought you were saying that the companies were in control like the Soviet government was. You meant they are in control which wouldn't have happened under the soviets", "Conservatives always think they're a 'silent majority' and progressives a 'loud minority', how else can they explain to themselves that so much of the public opinion is against them, it couldn't be that more people think different than they do, no sir. Obviously the gay and trans lobbies are working behind the shadows and being super loud on Twitter to promote their agendas.\n\nIt's also why it's a no-brainer that Trump had the election stolen from him, there are so many more conservatives that it makes no sense otherwise!", "wrong. but nice try reframing it.", "Well maybe my point was poorly made but I'm saying that having a free market where Netflix can do what it wants and we can say what we want about it is better than a market where we don't have any say in what we can watch and aren't allowed to protest about it. \n\nJust something for people to think about when they are getting pissy about protestors. That's what makes America great. And if you disagree, well maybe you'd like if a different side won the cold war instead.", "But what is the nuance? Who cares what someone else does? Why should anyone else’s opinion matter?", "Damn I wish I could have a 40 year run of fame and critical success and suck at the end", "You literally just said you were no longer a fan.\n\n>I used to be a Chappelle fan...\n\nIs that not you? So you want to be a fan and not be a fan at the same time?", ">Literally the ONLY two times I have heard about it, was in his two specials... \n\nWhat does \"ONLY\" stand for? Did you mean \"only\"?\n\nWhy are you claiming you literally only heard about it twice, during his specials? You're in a Reddit post comment section talking about it, after the title and linked video talks about it.", "lol it's absolutely true.", "That the entire country has the CHOICE to ignore....like he does the twitter brigade.", "So you don't think private companies should be able to decide who they give a platform to? Like I said, I want MY show on Netflix, in that case.\n\nDoes Wal-mart also have to sell my special? Movie theaters have to show it?", "What was in your opinion the funniest moment of the closer?", "Cool. I love everything he says.", ">Sometimes standup comedians have their heads so far up their own asses they think they can’t say anything dumb.\n\nLike when he brags about having a comedy show outside during Covid. \n\nuhhh, alright. good job?", "Why would they platform him?", "I don't understand what the general point is. That only some people are allowed to have a platform? \n\nDave can say whatever he wants, but if someone on Twitter says something YOU don't like and gets too many followers THAT is an issue?", "Glad to see this posted but sad to see how far I had to scroll down. Dave is implying that there is no real LGBT backlash and hence no beef and this is really just about Netlifx and “corporate power.”\n\nNaw, the trans people pissed about this aren’t in the Netflix C suite boardroom meeting. And implying that that’s all this is is transparently disingenuous.", "[This immediately came to mind. ](https://youtu.be/GIpT7ntRXl8)", "Nice try Oprah.", "Choice to ignore and an inalienable right to protest if they want to", "nothing anyone else does has any bearing on me standing up for myself as a trans person. to say otherwise is just insane culture war nonsense. i didn't do a thing to his \"friend\" and i barely have any idea who she is. I don't know who Hannah Gadsby is either and I don't care to find out. It really doesn't matter, I don't need to know that to say fuck Dave Chappelle for being such an asshole about all this", "If getting cancelled is when people wont watch your shows because youre an asshole then i dont see whats so bad about cancelling. Maybe he should change his material.", "Because he's the one with the platform, soapbox, and voice of power in this. He's punching down at a minority group, that's why there's pushback.", "Dave, a single individual, saying whatever he wants on Netflix: Fine \n\nUnnamed Twitter user, a single individual, gets a lot of followers and says whatever they want: \"disproportionate voice\"", "I'd say the same but I don't think you actually tried.", "No that’s not what i said. You seem to have trouble listening. Bye.", "> Why is it every time I hear about a group trying to cancel Dave, its not fuckin white people?\n\nbecause we've been told that we're not allowed to feel bad about being made fun of because we're the oppressors so anyone can say anything they want about us.", "The issue is that someone smaller would have been pulled from Netflix.", "He should get over his inability to make a livelihood? He just told you he cant get his movie out through anywhere in Hollywood. That's why he's bringing it up. You never heard about it because you're not a studio executive with trans employees blowing up your email and phone daily.", "Seinfeld is a pompous asshole who only thinks comedy should be done the old school way. His stand up wasn't even that good initially, which is why they had to shoehorn it into early Seinfeld episodes. Larry David dragged him to success.", "All he does is drone about cancel culture while not cancelled, how is that meant to make me believe any stories he makes up? \n\nDont tell someone theyre dressing feelings as facts when you ignore the definition of words to help your argument while taking chappelle on his word.", "I have no idea why you are talking about government/soviet intervention.", "The irony of people complaining about watching Dave complain is hilarious.", "What point? It’s like “black face” which is not? Gender and race are entirely different things and Dave is just becoming a boring old rich man now.", "How many people can stand up for themselves and their friends before it becomes a mob? We'll try to keep it below \"mob\" levels next time", "Are there examples of comedians being pulled from Netflix as a result of protests?", "Honestly, I was ready to defend him as I thought he just made some jokes that involved trans people. But nope, he just kinda explained what TERFs are and said how he agrees with them. So he thinks trans women aren't women and by extension trans men aren't men.", "The nuance is ‘people that aren’t like me aren’t necessarily bad people’. Nobody SHOULD care, but people still do. Nobody else’s opinion should matter.", "What is cancelled vs being held against their hateful words?", "Markets aren't a single layer. Dave has to appeal to two layers in this case, the viewer and the publisher. These are separate (but linked) markets that he has to sell his product to. If a publisher feels that the rest of their market is more valuable than Dave's segment of the market, then that's the market at work. If Dave has a large enough share of the market, he can publish he own material or find other publishers to support it, and that's the market at work. In this case his publisher clearly values his market more than the part of the market speaking against him, so Netflix is keeping his show, and that's the market at work.k", "Dave Chappelle is way too hung up on trans people. Like for real, make a new joke. He's attracting a bad audience with this take and while I think he had a point previously he needs to back off before he becomes a lightning rod for people who can't understand nuance.", "No he doesn’t. He doesn’t have to do anything you suggest him to do. If you didn’t like it, that’s cool, but he doesn’t need to get over it. It’s something he’s obviously into now and people are also responding and obviously enjoying it. I think it’s good he’s going on about it. You don’t have interest, just don’t pay attention. Your comment reads really weird imo.", "But you’re clearly giving a lot of importance to other people’s opinion on the matter. You seem to think they’re the priority. That trans activists need to put these confused people first and accept whatever comes their way until the “nuances” are finally grasped.", "It all caps SHOULDNT happen? \n\nNo more free speech? We all have to be quiet and accept what our corporate overlords determine is appropriate entertainment for us?\n\n>Look at Rosa Parks. \n\nRosa Parks was protesting a private company", "I think he means the only times he's heard about it being talked about in some form of 'big' or mainstream media. He's not dumb. He's not using words wrong. He just needs you to assume that much in order to understand him", "You can prick your finger on TV, but God forbid you finger your prick!", "I'm getting a lot of people saying \"you can't criticize it if you haven't seen it\" and a lot of people saying \"if you don't like it don't watch\" and I'm just over here saying fuck Dave Chappelle for whipping up this discourse in the first place. No, I haven't seen it because I didn't like the last one and I already wrote him off, but suddenly it's \"trending\" and now there's a bunch of creeps using it as an excuse to go hog wild on the transphobia", "They said racist white people and you two immediately went red in rage, saying youre being made fun of. Hm.", "Then say what you are saying? What is the actual problem? Should people not voice their displeasure to. Netflix? Should Netflix not make feedback-driven business decisions? Should employees not strike when they disagree with their employer? What are people doing that's wrong?", "Yeah this is full on Cosby yelling at clouds rn. It’s going to be interesting to see the reaction when it’s not these weird Chapelle monologues getting to the front but videos of young hungry comedians ripping it in their sets just as they always have when an old head starts doing this shit. I think a lot of the “Chapelle is amazing I grew up watching reruns of Chapelles Show on Netflix” people may be singing a different tune when this is turned on its head a la Eddy Murphy/Cosby", "Is something wrong with you?", "If Dave can say whatever he wants, we can say whatever we want, dude.", "What if I told you there are plenty of gay and trans people out there who are not only bad people but also bigots? This isn't saying all or even a majority are, but they do exist.", "The ones they just mentioned.", "https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/netflix-pulls-john-crist-special-sexual-misconduct-allegations-1253257/", "I'm not the one you're asking but I did watch the special and it did very little to make me think he wasn't being transphobic.", "He's more like a Stan.", "imagine considering yourself victim of \"corporate interests\" while being a millionaire", "Only dave is allowed to whine about anything as i partially align with his beliefs.", "I don't think he's been joking for a while. Everyone expects him to be funny and he good at it so he uses it send a message.\n\nTo me The closer seemed like he was really pissed at the Twitter warriors that bullied his trans friend to death for standing up for him. I am shocked that no body seems to be talking about Daphne Dorman.", "i like applesauce.", "My hot take: If you want equality and normalcy in society, be aware that means you are not immune to mockery, but instead are now okay to mock and be the butt of jokes. If you can't handle a bit of bullying, then you can't handle being normal.", "Did you even watch the video?\n\nHe said nobody is willing to show his new documentary because of it. The only platform standing up for him is Netflix. And a bunch of Netflix employees held a walkout to try and pressure Netflix to drop him as well.", "Half the posts here say he carefully calculated everything he said.\n\nThe other half say that they know he was telling jokes but that they were just bad jokes that were off the mark.\n\nSo, which is it?", "Your example is not cancel culture. Cancel culture would be more like if Gruden casually called his gay friend a fairy, the friend didn't have a problem with it because he uses the word to describe himself, but someone took offense at the word and gave out his home address and told everyone he worked with if they didn't also condemn Gruden he'd start a campaign to get them fired from their jobs too.", ">that group has a strong tendency lately to try and end people’s livelihoods\n\nAh yeah the all powerful trans cabal. Snap their fingers and boom your job is gone. \n\nWhich is pretty impressive for a group that's actually more likely to have issue being blocked from jobs themselves: https://www.thetaskforce.org/transgender-workers-at-greater-risk-for-unemployment-and-poverty/\n\n>Yeah he doesn’t have a phobia. He doesn’t jump up into a chair and ‘eek!’ when a trans person enters the room.\n\nDo you think that opening an argument by pretending be stupid is a good tactic?", "Super believable fellow reddit user.", "Who's telling you you can't be critical?", ">Have you ever had a job?\n\nI have, and if it's a meeting with even a thousand people and I was not invited to it, there would be consequences for barging in on it.", "Spoiler alert my woke friend, all white people are racist. /s people.\n\nhttps://medium.com/age-of-awareness/yes-all-white-people-are-racist-eefa97cc5605\n\nAnd show me where I complained about being made fun of? Daves been making fun of 'my group' for 20 years, I could give a fuck. His shit is hilarious.\n\nBut nice strawman anyway.", "What about the gay comedian who said, \"You don't have the right to not be offended\"? How's his credibility?", "I think his bit about getting the J&J shot and it being the most n***** thing he’s done in a long time. Brilliant joke.", "…so??????", "Exactly, that’s how I was. Like I don’t give a fuck if he’s gonna joke but he clearly was just being weird and thought he should talk about that weird boomer group I never heard of.", "People at the company that is hosting his special are literally organizing protests and walkouts and shit until he's \"addressed.\"", "/r/NFL was eyes deep in people that didn't want Gruden fired.", "Agree. This is seems like a few steps away from Lenny Bruce territory (at the end, anyway). DC said he was going to stop talking about, but he's still doing it.", "So what you are saying is what Dave is saying is true, cause people are trying to use their market share to silence what he does through cooperate pressure, cause they will threaten to move off the platform if hes on it. \n\nIt didn't work on this one platform, but it isn't an honest share of the market, it's one share attempting to control what the market puts out in an unjust fashion.", "Here’s my take about controversial/offensive comedy. \n\nIf you’re going to tell an offensive joke, you better make sure the joke actually lands. Because if it doesn’t, then you’re just up there being offensive. It’s much higher risk than non-offensive comedy. \n\nI’m not going to talk about Dave or The Closer because everyone has pretty much said everything there is to say about that. But I will say this. \n\nIn my opinion, if you’re going to tell an offensive joke, there has to be a point to it besides being offensive. Because if you’re telling the joke simply to be offensive then you’re just being offensive. But if you’re telling an offensive joke to make a point about something else, then it’s fine because the offensive part is to get the audience to think about the absurdity of a situation.", "So what does he do? Stay silent? Go quiet from here? Honest question. What happens if he does? To me it signals that ANYONE who says something remotely offensive to the same group could also be canceled. I don’t want to make assumptions about your personal situation but as for myself, I couldn’t stand my employer receiving a massive public’s campaign to have me fired. And then get another job that meets my needs?", "https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/netflix-pulls-episode-patriot-act-hasan-minhaj-after-saudi-complaint-n953681", "That guy was accused of a crime. That will get you fired anywhere. That's not the same circumstance.", "“Becoming”? Cancel culture has existed for ages. But it was used to discriminate against minorities and was real, oppressive cancelling pushed by those in power. This is critique.", "I'm liberal, voted dem by whole life, roll my eyes when people use the word \"triggered\", and see and treat trans people as the gender that they identify with. I did not see his special as remotely transphobic. I saw it as treating trans people the same as everybody else: worthy of a joke. I'm glad he brought this discourse into the world, because people are having a hard time actually listening to what he said.", "“Punching down at a minority group” —— HE’S BLACK!!! He specifically talks about this in the special. Have you even watched it?", "Applesauce comedy has untapped potential. I'd green light it.", "People refusing to understand that real harm can be done by words, so they defend actual harm being done, are way more fucking annoying. \n\nDownvotes over here for the snowflakes who are so thin skinned they can't bear to be told that they're actually hurting real life people.", "I see no evidence to suggest he calculated the thing. There’s no reason for him to do that, he was already the number 1 comedian.", "My observation was there were many more defenders during the release of the first email and then most disappeared when it came out it was a repeated behavior and recently. The first email was bad but defending it as old and a single event means some people can have that opinion that it was too early to demand he was fired.\n\nI partly agree with your comment. We shouldn't label everything as \"cancel culture\" and in plenty of situations people should lose their jobs. However, that's not a defense towards some situations that are egregious and people should speak out about them. The two I gave above are pretty disturbing IMO and people that agree or disagree with Gruden's firing can choose to come to that opinion or not. But just because his was justified doesn't mean we should be dismissive about the concept and how it is occurring more and more.", "That's how it is currently...these companies can do business with whomever they want and they choose people that aren't controversial apparently. It's their call not some", "TEDx talks. They let any old yahoo on stage.", "I have no reason to think otherwise considering hes made absurd bank with this drama.", "Oh please, \"cancel culture\" has countless examples of unreasonable consequences. The ramifications of being \"cancelled\" are life long in the digital age. As he said in his other specials taking away a man's ability to earn is akin to killing him. Outrage mobs hunt down tweets and comments, remove all nuance and context with the sole goal of destroying livelihood. You've got your head in the sand if you can't see it.", "Can you point to a comedian that said something people said was transphobic? There’s an element of people being too scared.", "He said he thought his jokes were socially irresponsible, but thats it was the constant barrage and steady diet of conniving lies boxing him in and manipulation that pushed him to bounce. Now, so what you're trying to make us believe is that hes somehow forgotten this, which is the reframing on your part and it's is apparent that you are wrong if you watched his special.", "Essentially cancelled, says man making statement on the world's largest video website while promoting a 60 million dollar deal with the world's largest streaming service.", "Why? Netflix pays him 25Mil for 2 hours of him yelling at a cloud and forgetting to tell jokes.", "You mean young chappelle.", "Something that bothers me is the fact that Daphne, the woman he spends much of his special talking about was a small comic. I feel like people need to realize that the fact that one of the most acclaimed and famous comedians of all time taking interest in her might have an effect on what she'd be willing to overlook, laugh at or humor Dave on. You'd do it too in her position. The fact of Dave's fame would certainly have an effect on how a fresh comic responded to him...", "You don't see how specifically targeting trans women who are seen as an easier target and going with the overused punchlines of misgendering and \"man in disguise\" is transphobic? Not to mention blaming the trans community for suicide of Daphne Dorman.", "I think this is just a clip. The whole show was probably a bit longer.", "TEDx", "Hes also a sexual predator.\n\nFor those downvoting me he dated a high school girl when he was 39. He would pick her up after school because she couldn't drive yet.", "The comments on here seem really strange to me. \n\nI mean, I get not liking it or critiquing it because it isn’t your cup of tea, but these comments are like, “he has to do this or has to be the way I want him to be”. He’s not your clown, he can do whatever he wants with his life.", "I see a lot of the \"you didn't watch the show\" people letting it slip that they don't actually know anything about the circumstances of the walkout", "I dont get why Dave Chappelle is loved on reddit. \n\nHe seems to have turned into any number of other self-important celebrities overly concerned with a loud minority. \n\nAlso, Im not sure what he has said since his \"come back\" that wasnt better said by his younger self. \n\nIDK. It just strikes me a super masterbatory to sit in the center of a stadium* full of fans and dictate terms to an group of people as if he's talking to a unified entity with an official spokesman.", "He can say whatever he wants, made especially clear by him having a comedy special on the largest streaming platform on the planet. People are reacting to what he said. That’s not telling him what he can’t say.", "The only people who actually get canceled and not just “have people say mean things about them online” are the real sex pests like Harvey Weinstein", "Dave has talked himself into a corner by trying to be edgy about a subject he was ill-equipped to tackle. Which is a shame because now instead of good jokes we're getting humdrum defensive jokes at best, and pure, comedy-less defensiveness at worst. And it's a shame because we probably should hear about the actual problems he's trying to shed light on, but he's overshadowed them with his relatively unimportant prodding musings about a different culture.", "\nI had to check this person's post history if this was real or an exaggerated impression of a chappelle supporter. \n\nIt's real.\n\nTo the person I am replying to. Look up what transphobia is, and maybe you can realize that's exactly what you and chappelle exhibit", "The fact that you’re downvoted, somethings up with this subreddit. Fishy af.", "He believes it SO MUCH that he got paid 60 million dollars to lock his VERY IMPORTANT message behind a paywall.", "I don't think it makes sense to evaluate the results of the market as just or unjust. Like I said, you have to sell your product to your market, if the market rejects your product for any reason other than physical violence, that's just the market working itself out.", "Y'know Dave? Don't want to hear it. Not until you acknowledge your detractors have at least some valid points.", "Bottom line, do you think I would enjoy it?", "Isn't that his point, though? That trans have a disproportionately louder voice than other minorities?", "If you told me that I would say \"OK what's your point\" \n\nBut you wouldn't tell me that because it wouldn't have a point.", "I like how \"Twitter is not a real place\" when dave talks about him getting flamed there and \"Twitter helped drive my friend to suicide\" on the other side of things", "Yeah. True of literally everyone. I’d hazard to say gay people are statistically less likely to hold racist views. They’re certainly less likely to hold conservative ones.", "Colin Kaepernick is pretty good proof that cancel culture is a thing, even if he was canceled by the people that claim cancel culture shouldn't be a thing.", "You misunderstood my comment. \n\nWhere did I say \"he couldn't say whatever he wants\" in practice? I said he was \"shocked that people don't think people should be able to voice their opinion\". There are absolutely people that want to shut him up, even if they can't make him.", ">He said he thought his jokes were socially irresponsible,\n\nGreat, so we all agree.", "His special \"The Closer\" cost netflix twice as much as Squid Game. Guess where most of that money went?", "and Ill double down and say what he's doing now is a very responsible act of defiance and taking a lotta bullets for other comedians, using his clout.", "Weren’t the controversial parts of his last special — the transphobic parts — a response to critics as well? This phase of his comedy started out as and continues to be responding to critics.", "Kapernick was worse. He used his race to supplement a lagging football career and people ate it up. Dude was raised by the whitest people on earth and he's paler than sour cream.", "I want to see this more than I have wanted anything in my life", "What’s he off on?", "Stop trying to cancel him and maybe he’ll stop.\n\nHe made a documentary that he says in this clip he desperately wants people to see, and it’s being pulled from theaters - no shit he’s continuing to talk about it", "The twiteratti whining isn't equal to actual controversy.", "What’s he clearly wrong about?", "Transphobic and homophobic comedy has been a bread and butter of blue comedians for decades", "Seriously.", "I can’t be racist, I have a black friend! Now excuse me while I parade their corpse around as a shield to deflect criticism.", "ok, and I'll double down and say he's being a whiny old man who's out of touch and past his prime, seemingly hellbent on ruining his reputation", "The trans experience in America", "Hey, those people vote and if you don’t get em on your side then they’ll come out against you. Gay people spent a decade (or longer) with a nationwide campaign of get-to-know-a-gay and not only was the outcome Gay Marriage but most people don’t give a shit about gay people now. Want em in their neighborhoods even. Something that was skeptical and unknown is now normal as shit. The trans people aren’t doing this, and they’re suffering the consequences. And using social media to try and brow beat… it’s just not helping. Not helping their cause at all.", "Which Netflix comedian are you referring to? We are looking for another that didn’t get pulled/not renewed.", "> Yes, how dare dave venture away from the safety of attacking white people. Doesn't he know that everyone else is a protected species?\n\n> Why is it every time I hear about a group trying to cancel Dave, its not fuckin white people? They're the ones he's attacked the most, yet we get on with our lives without constantly moaning about it. They're jokes, we get it.\n\nLiterally lol. Oh man we get made sooo much fun of, you guys are so sensitive. Let me post a worthless random outrage article to prove my point about how clearly this person was talking about me when he addressed “racists”, dear sjw. \n\nWhat a clown.", "Dude, it doesn’t have to mean forever. Or that it actually even happened. It’s attempting to.", "I have no idea I don't know you at all. You don't sound like your mind is open to it though, so I'd wager not.", ">What if you think \"Cancel Culture\" is a nonsense phrase and you just believe in reasonable consequences for people's actions?\n\nWhat if those responsible Daphne Dorman's MURDER were brought to justice because they harassed her to death for supporting Dave?\n\nOr was that \"Reasonable consequences\" ??", ">I think critiquing anything as transphobia is also a problem.\n\nUh, did I fix your sentence? \n\nIf so, I agree. But I'm not critiquing everything. Chappelle's exhibited legit phobias", ">could also be canceled\n\nAlso? Dave isn't cancelled. \n\nBut he's trying real hard because it would be good press for him", "When did he talk about the trans experience in America?", "Hey look you can use an easy to defend case of someone losing their job over past discretions (motte-and-bailey) or you can engage with the situations it's more debatable and have a discussion around those. \n\nLike I said - I agree it gets overused... but that doesn't mean it's always incorrect for people to be angry about it.", "Broader cancel culture argument aside, do you think that specifically, you can realistically picture Dave Chappelle starving on the streets because of this?", "Honestly though I wish he’d just drop it already. The first special or two it was funny jokes and jokes about the backlash. Now it’s just dragging on. It’s becoming his “thing.”\n\nAnd don’t get me wrong I love Dave Chappelle. I’ll watch every special and I still rewatch Chappelle’s Show. But lately it’s a 5 minute trans joke followed up by 25 minutes of him pointing out how wrong everyone is for assuming he’s prejudiced. Hell he even keeps pulling out the trans equivalent of the “I have black friends so it’s okay” card. \n\nJust get back to the jokes, Dave.", "Yeah we’ve gone way off course here man. I think comedians can admit when they fucked up and that chappelle has some bad takes, good day.", "You're right. He should do another special complaining about white people.", "Oh yay, more “old man bitches about being cancelled while still making millions.”", "I’m kinda out of the loop. What exactly are the trans people mad about", "This response is so funny to me - he gets hit with nationwide outrage the extent to which I can’t remember another comedian getting in my lifetime, gets a documentary he worked hard on pulled from theaters, and when he talks about it you essentially tell him to shut up, which I read as “be quiet and accept your cancelation”\n\nPeople are fucking soft", "Since when are trans people off limits? Years ago trans folk wouldn't even be included in a worldwide comedy show.", "1) There is only a small number of trans people in America which literally makes them a minority \n\n2) Trans people only got the right to work without being fired LAST YEAR \n\n3) Trans people can still be denied housing", "don't you think the fact that Dave Chapelle is one of the most acclaimed comics of all time and took a sudden interest in her might have had an effect on what she would have put up with in terms of jokes about her?", "Oh yeah, because we always see comedians nowadays make jokes at the expense of other minorities at face no backlash ? \n \n What the hell are you talking about?", "This is the kind of fan that made Dave quit comedy the first time.", "The premise of the above video seems to be that corporate media is pushing this criticism to take down his movie/documentary that addressed George Floyd. Because his documentary might lead to people realizing that was a bad thing.", "You can't possibly think that's what is happening, right? People used to be assholes and others said, Wow, that guy is an asshole and went on their way. Now, you make an asshole-ish comment and your career is over, even it is a private conversation that someone dug up from a decade ago.", ">and I'm just over here saying fuck Dave Chappelle for whipping up this discourse in the first place.\n\nAnd im here saying Fuck the sharks in the water looking to cling to everything they can to whip up controversy...\n\nObviously im wrong and what im saying is \"violence\" or \"Victim blaming\" and saying these things is somehow \"Transphobic\"\n\nBUT MY OPINION is as valid as yours... you blame Dave... I blame the sharks.", "Clearly you also don't know who Dave Chappelle is to call him an asshole.", "> Because corporations would really bother conceding to a MINORITY. How fucking stupid are you?\n\nYou want to rethink this comment for a second?", "You… You think people are paying $100-$200 for a 5 minute set?", "You can call anything responding to critics. Chappelle's entire reason for creating the Chappelle show and then his reason for leaving the Chappelle show was responding to critics.", "Apparently didn’t watch the video where he explained how he’s been un-invited to all the film festivals, nobody wanting to touch him, etc.\n\nThey’ve succeeded in cancelling him everywhere except Netflix and his own tour, which is very hard to cancel.\n\nIt’s very hard to cancel a tour that you’re personally funding as there are millions of venues out there. You only need a few of them to agree to have them be a stop on the tour.", "Conservatives are the ones that actually cancel anyone. \n\nSinead O'Connor. The Dixie Chicks. Colin. \n\n99% of \"cancelled\" people, unless they go to jail, are right back at it not too long after. \n\nShit, Louis CK is already playing 1,500 seat theaters again.", "Going on a crusade to cancel someone because you don't like their opinion is not critiquing them.", "I view it as less of a comedy special and more of a societal statement. Literally nobody else in the public eye has the courage to say the things he said in the special or tell the jokes that he did, regardless of how good you feel the jokes were. Look at the response to it for fuck’s sake", "Nah after he resigned and the homophobic comments about Sam and Goodell came out they were still on about \"cancel culture\" \n\nI was there", "I feel like if you are ‘responding’ to stuff verse being cutting edge in something….you’ve lost it. Richard Pryer asking Paul Mooney to apologize to Eddie Murphy….ppl claimed Dave was the next Richard Pryer.\n\nYou know what I know today…..I will watch Richard before I watch anything again from Dave. His route he has chosen going forward is show shallow...”lets blame Social Media, Cancel Culture or ‘The Media’. Nah…nothing about that, because rappers be spitting and never stop. When you attacked Key & Peele for a show they were doing while trying to flip it on you?! Dude…..Just write your jokes if you got that in you. All this other nonsense is just that…..be you, stop reacting and just tell the jokes. The minute you have to react, it becomes…..a ‘do you feel me’ validation for diminishes your message of ‘telling jokes’ because you have to explain it or ‘respond’. \n\nTo be clear, Even Richard admitted to lighting himself on fire for doing drugs. That’s him being personal about his own actions on the live stage.", "The strawmanning continues! Focus on my obvious joke, cherry pick entirely around the point that you're full of shit.\n\nYou accused me of being 'red in rage' and that I complained about being made fun of.\n\nShow me where I complained about being made fun of, or admit you're just making shit up.\n\nThis will be good.", "Critique is fine, burning books is not. That’s exactly what they want to do with Dave. They want Netflix to take down the special and ban him. Just modern day book burners.", "Enjoyed talkin with ya boss. Thanks for carrying on with me, no bs. It does me good to get other takes. Hope you have a good week!", "> “corporate power.”\n\nThis is such transparent pandering because everyone hates \"corporations\", \"the elite\" and \"the media\" if you say you are standing up to them everyone applauds.\n\nI must have missed where all these big corporations are upset with Dave because he speaks truth to power. The only big corporation whose had anything to do with this is paying $25 million dollars a special to talk for an hour.", "Because victim complexes exist and attention gives people dopamine.", "There is a difference between not buying a product (boycotting) and calling all your friends or influential people you know, asking them to not associate with a person in any way. \n\nCancel culture is typically what Jehovah witnesses/mormons/Scientologists do to a person that has left the faith.", "I get that same energy from Dave that Carlin had too. Different comedic styles yet could still make you think about things a little deeper while also making you laugh.Both great joke writers/story tellers,they are smarter than people take them for at face value plus they stand by their convictions. Dave was doing a comedy stand up special and people got offended,just like people got offended at carlins stuff when they first heard it.When making fun of people in jest or for comedic purposes there will always be people that take offense to the commentary of their lives and will take it as an insult. Maybe if people would just take one persons opinions as what it is(just one persons opinion) we wouldn’t be in the situation we are today", "Lol, this is 'stop hitting your self' levels of middle school logic. Much like the level of his jokes in the special.", "1) Yep\n\n2) That’s great! Progress.\n\n3) That’s fucked up. Needs to end.", "Dave is very much calling himself a victim.", "I mean I was there, too... But in any case those people are dumb. \n\nThat doesn't mean every cancelation is justified or at least not debatable.", "He can't, he wanted the backlash, he wanted to get in the headlines like this so he can complain about cancel culture again.", "Minor thing but I feel like I need to add it. I really believe in a roundabout way he's saying \"why are black people, by default, on the bottom\". It's a caste system that isn't being talked about. Is he heavy-handed? Is he trying to provoke canceled culture? Is he making a statement that evokes heavy emotion due to the moral constraints? Is Katharine Jenner crazy privilege reality tv/sports star/millionaire/Super high status/etc? Oh hell yes. \n\n\nI kept thinking about the jacket Andre 3000 wore in 2014 through the special. https://www.vogue.com/article/andre-3000-jumpsuit-t-shirt-black-lives-matter", "He said things an asshole would say, so I feel confident in that one. Either way, he clearly said some hurtful stuff, so I'm not sure how anyone would expect me to feel otherwise. I mean, it would be pathetic if I had such a lack of self respect I'd defend him, honestly. And I really, really, don't have to like anything he says.", "Because they're not trying to boycott him, they're trying to fucking remove him from Netflix. Boycotting would be NOT WATCHING HIM. They are trying to prevent other people from watching him. That's the fucking difference. I'm so sick of people saying cancel culture isn't real, meanwhile hundreds and hundreds of people are being deplatformed so that nobody is able to hear. \n\nYou know how much stuff there is that offends my sensibilities on Netflix, on Youtube, on virtually every fucking platform? You know what I do? I ignore it. Responding to this comment being one infrequent exception.", "I don't like equating two completely different things, no. Crazy, right?", "I’m a little confused. I just watched this clip. It sounds like because of this controversy he wouldn’t be able to release his movie. I mean it’s possible the movie is just crap and nobody wants to show it in their theatres but I’m willing to give him a little benefit of the doubt. It does sound to me that there’s actual damage to this controversy. It’s probably not just in his head.", "Seinfeld is the most overrated comedian ever. His bits sound so hacky.", "No, because I think his complaints are stupid.", "Yeah! Black people get the shittiest version of the thing. Even rich Dave still gets the black version. Solid stuff.", "I love how people try to act like Dave’s special was simultaneously extremely offensive/hurtful and somehow boring at the same time…\n\nLike just admit that your feelings got hurt so now you’re looking to drag it any way that you can… it’s obvious what’s going on here, lol", "> I mean it was a lot of the special so it's hard to sum up.\n\nI love when people ask a simple \"What specifically did he say\" and the stammering and mental gymnastic that always follow. Because what Dave actually said in no way matches the backlash, there are always generalities like this one.", "Uh ..it's waaaaaay more intense than a few tweets my man. I suppose it's hard to know since we are not in his shoes.\n\nPeople want him dead.", "The phrase \"cancel culture\" is just mob justice applied through identity politics. The problem people have with it is when it turns mole-hill issues into \"mountains\" and gets it wrong. They end up damaging people's lives, livelihoods, reputations, etc. and there is no recourse for the targeted victim and no consequences for the mob. It is a guilty until proven innocent miscarriage of justice and an illiberal unethical practice.\n\nYou did something that I find offensive, whether or not it actually is offensive in-and-of-itself? Well, I better call upon my followers / friends / allies to do one or more of the following:\n\n- interpret the event in the most myopic and transparently bad-faith way I can;\n- plaster the misrepresented event all over the Internet;\n- find out where you live;\n- dox you;\n- brigade your employer to have you fired;\n- try to have you blackballed in your industry;\n- harass your friends and family until they denounce you, lest they be cancelled themselves;\n- if you're a celebrity, pressure any events, organizations, award shows, etc. from ever providing you support or hosting privileges;\n- if you wanted to speak at a public venue, we're going to harass and pressure the organizers to stop you too;\n- pressure your advertisers to cancel their contracts with you, lest they be cancelled themselves, so that I can financially harm you;\n- financially and socially ruin you as much as possible long before any trial and real justice can be applied to the event; and\n- then if it turns out we were wrong, don't worry about it, because we're frothing at the mouth over some new grievance\n\nReasonable consequences for people's actions. Sure, in the case of someone like Harvey Weinstein. Less so for:\n\n- [Emmanuel Cafferty](https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/sdge-worker-fired-over-alleged-racist-gesture-says-he-was-cracking-knuckles/2347414/).\n- [Vito Gesualdi](https://twitter.com/VitoGesualdi/status/1451311741233610764?s=20), where protestors destroy his sign, claim \"he's got a weapon\", assault him, media lies about him swearing at them, etc.\n- The lies about what happened with the [Covington Kids](https://reason.com/2020/01/21/covington-catholic-media-nick-sandmann-lincoln-memorial/).\n- An anonymous alleged incident where the woman expected [Aziz Ansari](https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2018/01/the-humiliation-of-aziz-ansari/550541/) to read her mind.\n- [Dixie Chicks](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy) circa 2003 for rightoid cancel culture (this isn't a left-wing phenomenon).\n- The list can go on and on.\n\nThis \"shoot first because x group is offended, ask why we're shooting later, or whether or not the shooter is lying about it\" mentality that embodies cancel culture is garbage. If you don't think it exists it's because you don't care to pay attention to it because it's happening to people you consider part of an out-group.", "You really think he wasn't looking for this kind of reaction when he doubled down? C'mon.\n\n\n> Obviously im wrong and what im saying is \"violence\" or \"Victim blaming\" and saying these things is somehow \"Transphobic\"\n\nYOU sound like you have a victim complex here. And maybe people do get mad at you a lot and that's why you care. But hey, guess what: just because you piss people off it doesn't mean you're right.", "[Dixie Chicks controversy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy) \n \n >At a 2003 performance in London, Natalie Maines of the American country band the Dixie Chicks, now known as the Chicks, made a statement criticizing President George W. Bush and the imminent Allied invasion of Iraq. Maines said the band was ashamed to be from the same state as Bush and that they did not support the war. After the statement was reported by the British newspaper The Guardian, it led to backlash from American country listeners, who were mostly right-wing and supported the war. The Dixie Chicks were blacklisted by thousands of country radio stations, received death threats, and were criticized by other country musicians.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "This is Reddit, they absolutely believe it. Reality doesn't always matter here sadly.", "They fired someone for leaking commercially sensitive information about the costs and earnings of the special. Any company would fire you for that. You're being extremely disingenuous.", "Well that sounds like he definitely isn't a terf then. How can he be a misogynist and a trans exclusionary radical feminist?", "\"Running your mouth\", interesting, I see it now, Dave Chappelle, black man, influential, multimillionaire, beloved. Like Kevin Hart with the Oscars, if he is, as you say, \"running his mouth\", he should be canceled.", "This was an “encore” that he said he would do during his set. He provided a full set of pure comedy gold before this.", "Huh? No, bro...some people want to kill the guy.", "“[T]he only reason all of us are talking about transgenders is because white men want to do it. If it was just blacks and Mexican like, ‘Hey, y’all, we feel like girls inside.’ They’d be like, ‘Shut up, n**r, no one asked how you felt,'”\n\nErases trans people of color", "Dave Chappell’s special is still on Netflix and therefore cancel culture doesn’t exist. You fucking nailed it dude", "Well then I'm not going to watch it, because I don't watch things I don't think I'd enjoy on some level or other.", "This response is so funny to me - he gets hit with nationwide outrage the extent to which I can’t remember another comedian getting in my lifetime, gets a documentary he worked hard on pulled from theaters, and when he talks about it you essentially tell him to shut up, which I read as “be quiet and accept your cancelation”\n\nPeople are fucking soft", "It's even funnier because the \"fuck cancel culture\" crowd are also religiously capitalistic in most cases. They, of all people, should understand that no company in the business of making money will stick their neck out and risk profit for some third party's right to say what they want.", "How can you serious consider a guy who is being paid millions of dollars to share his opinion \"canceled\"? That seems pretty dumb. \n \nMaybe what he should do is not make jokes at the expense of people who are already among the most marginalized in his society? I dunno, seems like a pretty easy solution. Or, and this is just a random thought, use his voice to actually help those people? I'm more concerned with the real hardships trans people face for being trans than I am about any imagined oppression someone who makes fun of a marginalized group could, but probably won't, face.", "Americans loving crying over sad millionaires unfortunately", "Cancel culture in its new form is evolved enough to be considered a new threat, now that everyone has level footing to attack anyone and defend against anything. Modern PR is a new landscape and remaining uncancelable is something very few of our ancestors dealt with imo.", "A loud minority can project a lot of negative stigma about a company. \n\nRemember when Amazon changed their app logo when people said it looked like hitlers mustache? It’s fucking ridiculous but that can happen", "If you repackage arguments that have been used to de-legitimize trans people for decades and deny them rights as jokes, there will be backlash. Just because some trans people can laugh at those jokes doesn't change anything.", "Thanks for the first honest and accurate response I have seen.", "What are you smoking? There was a whole protest of people outside Netflix who want his special removed. They are protesting the fact that the special was released on the platform.", "He’s quite clearly standing for open discussion and against censorship.", "Lol.", "Then he's not a brave outsider telling unpopular truths.", "Ok", "This is one of the most ridiculous takes I’ve ever heard. I guess the whole BLM thing is about white people, otherwise it would have no traction at all. \n\nAlso, that wasn’t even answering my question, just spouting out some random bs.", "Why does he need to be literally starving on the streets for it to be relevant? Ignoring of course that smaller comedians absolutely would be starving on the streets.", "deal. well see what happens.", ">I don’t want to make assumptions about your personal situation but as for myself, I couldn’t stand my employer receiving a massive public’s campaign to have me fired. And then get another job that meets my needs?\n\nNo. This is not an anyone** issue. This is a comedian that gets paid to say things for a living receiving feedback about his newest special. It's quite literally his job, and people are remarking that they don't like what he's doing. Honestly, Dave just needs to grow up and move on. \n\nThe likelihood of that happening to you is next to nill unless you do something outrageous enough to garner the attention of the twittersphere/news media. There's a few ways you can avoid severe backlash: \n\n* Do not be racist or belligerent in public (common sense)\n* Do not be deliberately provocative on social media (perhaps annoying, but keeping a low profile on social media is better for your mental health anyways)\n\nThere are rare exceptions where a person makes an off color joke and gets blown up on twitter for it. But most of the time the people being \"cancelled\" are entertainers or public officials in some respect.\n\nThe average person that does get \"cancelled\" are usually recorded on camera being racist, sexist, or some variation of awful in public. Dave's big grift here is that him being criticized is somehow reflective on how you might be treated. It isn't. You're fine. We're all fine.", "Cancel culture is absolutely a thing and people who say it's just audience feedback are lying. Trying to \"cancel\" someone means demanding their content be removed from circulation and/or that they suffer negative career consequences. It's the difference between calling for a boycott and calling for a product/service to be removed from sale. One encourages people to make a choice, the other removes the option for people to make a choice.", "I dont believe him because hes ridiculously rich and of course he’d lie if his source of excess profit was threatened?\n\nI also am completely sure you defend chappelle because you’re a right winger, which would explain why you accuse everyone of arguing with their feelings regardless of what theyre saying. While believing chappelle because of feelings.", "No, YOU are looking for one because you said if someone else made a transphobic joke they would have been pulled. I didn't make any claim like that.", "I once thought I couldn't care less.\n\nThen someone recently showed me the supposed spokesperson for the walkout was a racist bigoted person who by their own admission assaulted someone and posted it all over twitter.\n\nI can say now I stand corrected.\nI care even less now about their 'movement'.", "That's just how the world has always worked lmao", "But he clearly states here that he is not opposing trans people or anyone in the LBGT+ community. Those are not his opposition and they “have nothing to do with this.” He is opposing large corporate forces that decide, on bad data or no data, what he can and cannot say. This is a good thing.", "Wow. That's painful to read. It's so wrong it's impossible to even begin to address it.", "Yeah all those people who dislike him now are sure to pay off in the future!", "He can just wait it out though. Big studios will wait too. This will blow over and he can work on new projects and move on from this chapter of his career, and the money will be there waiting for him.", "The real middle school logic is saying that a comedian being hit with more nationwide outrage than any other comedian in a generation that has sparked literal protests to get his special removed from streaming services is “not canceled”. Sure, maybe not, but hundreds of thousands of people are sure as fuck trying, which is the whole point.\n\nSaying that Dave is not canceled and therefore should shut up is like telling somebody being stalked that the stalker hasn’t hurt them yet so it isn’t a big deal. No - the fact that somebody is trying is the whole fucking issue.", "The lack of any other content like that shows it is a special privilege for top tier comedians.", "I pretty much exclusively listen to comedy podcasts and I always feel like when comics are \"criticizing\" other comics on podcasts it's usually very surface level and book-ended with a lot of compliments. The only time you get real dirt is when they say something and don't say the person's name.\n\nI'd be curious what they think off the mic.", "I'm not going to write out a full transcript to a special. The backlash was not at a joke or two that can be easily summed up, but to an hour of content and a number of different points. I did mention the two lines I specifically see get referenced the most though.", "Tell jokes about white people...that's on to laugh at them. But don't you DARE talk down at _______fill in the blank_____ or anyone else you bastards because that's racist!", "Imagine not even watching this short 7 minute clip. Wherein he asks that A- his critics actually watch his stuff before commenting. And B - explains he has a movie he made which was invited to all the major movie festivals and subsequently uninvited after the backlash to his Netflix special. \n\nHe also explained that Netflix workers protested demanding “a safe workplace” and yet Dave is the one who isn’t welcome.", "> Ignoring of course that smaller comedians absolutely would be starving on the streets.\n\nBut he's not smaller comedians, so it sounds kind of silly coming from him. But look, if he's ever worse off than I am financially, I promise I'll feel bad about it.", "I just quoted two paragraphs of you whining about how racists are mocked, but somehow thats strawmanning. Im really in disbelief. Oh, and speaking of avoiding the point, i’d love to know why you still havent explained why you equated “racist white people” with “white people including me”.", "What are you struggling to understand?", "So, in your reality, this is the first time a comedian has had backlash for being offensive and spurred protests? And it's at a level never seen before?\n\nAre you sure you're not just terminally online and frequent places that amplify what you want to see and get outraged about?", "\"Only the biggest streaming service is standing up for me ;o;\"", " Nah, his specials were fantastic. I loved them all. They were brilliant.", "Not just millions. 60 million!", ">just because you piss people off it doesn't mean you're right\n\nThats the whole point, Blaming Dave and screaming that its his fault doesn't mean you're right either...\n\nThat whole narrative of \"ITS THE TRUTH BECAUSE WE DECIDE\" is just stupid all around...\n\n>You really think he wasn't looking for this kind of reaction when he doubled down? C'mon.\n\nAnd you think the sharks werent looking for the same? They need to shit on things to stay relevant, no one gives a fuck until they get mad and shit on something.\n\nIts also not hypocrisy /s... considering the person who made all of that worse, the one leading that protest with the Netflix walkout...[Is a pretty shitty person](https://www.opindia.com/2021/10/activist-behind-netflix-walkout-has-made-several-racist-and-anti-gay-tweets-dave-chappelle-ashlee-marie-preston/)\n\nAgain, im sure her old tweets don't matter... they only matter when YOU need [something to shit on.](https://www.billboard.com/articles/events/oscars/8492982/kevin-hart-oscar-hosting-controversy-timeline)\n\nYou people have issues with black comedians...", "Well you should know he didn't rant at trans people for two hours. It was fantastic.", "No one is censoring him", "It is what you said, though. You said “when enough people have rallied against you”. All people have done is refused to work with him or support him because hes an asshole. Thats not being cancelled. Thats exactly what i said it is in my last post. \n\nAnd if he doesnt want to change his material because people dont like legitimate, unfunny assholes then he’ll get “cancelled” by the free market. I thought it was pretty clear that was my point, surprised you missed it.", "Average Reddit user in here like \"I'm going to lose MY 60 million dollar Netflix deal!\"", ">And yet, it really is starting to feel like the comedy community has begun to view ever admitting fault as a sign of weakness. Which is a shame, because I bet some really great comedy specials could come out of it.\n\nAziz's newest special was along those lines. \n\nThe old guard legacy comedians that complain about \"cancel culture\" all need to retire. Seinfeld, Gervais, Chapelle, Rogan, etc. Bo Burnham is dead on in that he's stated that [comedy ages like milk and he feels the need to apologize for old material when he was just figuring himself out](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXBQ-ZYl6I4). It's not about walking on eggshells; it's realizing that what was once funny 5, 10, hell, even a year ago may not be funny later within a new context.\n\nFor context: Dave's actual trans jokes about trans people using the bathroom were old and tired as all hell. [Michelle Wolf's material is light year's ahead on this topic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4W4TiWV3cU&t=194s).", "That’s a chapelle quote. I don’t know what more you want or need to see he’s not on point", "Except Carlin didn't punch down, so it's actually not at all like that. [It's even something Carlin addressed specifically.](https://youtu.be/F8yV8xUorQ8) The people who got offended by Carlin's material weren't people in marginalized communities, it was those in positions of power. It's was the gay mafia keeping those 7 words off of your television set. It's wasn't a shadowy cabal of racial minorities getting offended by is raunchy routines. It was the Christian right. \n \nIf you can't understand the difference between making fun of those who hold all of the power and making fun of those who hold none, maybe you should actually listen to what people like George Carlin had to say.", "Hush", "This", "Consumers of Netflix are allowed to make requests as to what the service provides. Free market.", "Just don't mention that the only time he was canceled was when HE CANCELED HIMSELF because people were laughing at his jokes for the wrong reasons.", "The \"outrage\" is just some people on Twitter and a ton of media theatrics. Culture war for clicks - that's all it is.", "Yet whenever people “do whatever they want in life” by advocating to not support him it’s “censorship”", "Yes, given the past 10-20 years (further back really, but this is when it picked up steam), I would genuinely LOVE for you to explain to me how a corporation would not bother conceding to a MINORITY.", "Please explain how trans people have a louder voice than say, black people, for example.", "Read the article. Netflix took it down in Saudi Arabia because the government threatened legal action. \n\nNot a protest. Threat of legal action.\n\nI read the article. At least read your own articles before you link them if you expect me to read them.", "It only sounds silly if you miss the point. Much like his racial commentary sounds silly if you consider his actual upbringing. Plus let's be real, you're a literally nobody its unlikely anyone cares how you feel about it.", "Explain how they arem't both deplatforming instead of just deflecting please. You know, like you aren't an asshole.", "If you disagree then name one other instance of a comedian getting this much backlash over their jokes in the last 10 years… that’s not even important to my point. \n\nThe fucking losers who attempt to do this shit are successful extremely often in today’s day and age, and that’s the fucking problem. If you don’t see it is a problem then you’re likely one of the fucking losers that do it. One instance of a comedian remaining relevant through it doesn’t invalidate the issue", "You clearly don't consume much comedy.", "Boycotting has long included protesting the target of the boycott, trying to convince people to boycott as well, and calling for the target to be removed, changed, or otherwise altered to their demands. \n\nDeplatforming has gone for a long, long, time. At least, in this case, it's not the government using the law to do it like so many comedians before Dave suffered because that actually destroyed the careers of very popular people rather than just put a bump there, if that, while they stayed rich and famous.", "Since you became an open transphobe", "This dude just said you can’t accept trans people without transphobia", ">certain groups\n\nI'm asking you what \"groups\". Names, organisations?\n\n> I didn't want to specify which form of protest activism as I didn't see it as important to my point\n\nI think it's fundamental to your point that there's \"organised groups\" that you actually name them and provide who you're talking about.\n\n>Perhaps you should do a bit of reading into this yourself. There have been multiple protests among Netflix staff outside the LA building, which sparked counter-protests (of a much much smaller variety), and of course online outcry, while technically slacktivism, still counts in the numbers we're seeing.\n\nRight... So some staff and internet outrage...?", "People did not get offended, they are scared that Chappelle's audience might find his comments as justification for their actions. TERFs are considered a hate group, and he sided with them, unequivocally. I never heard Carling of siding with the KKK or any other hate group.", "In the last 10 years is a nice little goal post for you to set as it excludes periods outside the existence/prevalence of twitter.\n\nOut here in reality:\n\nhttps://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/cancel-culture-has-always-been-a-problem-for-comedy/\n\nMy advice is that if you truly believe this instance is somehow unique or special and that Dave has somehow been mistreated worse than anyone else in history on this issue you should get off the internet and touch some grass.", "Yeah, I mean he literally said he's open to talk", "It’s really not. Dave could still write and publish a book people just don’t want Netflix to host his content. I haven’t watched the special yet so I don’t have an opinion one way or the other but your comparison is just wrong.", "Exactly", "He'll have a show on fox news in no time if he keeps it up :(", "Like who? Who has lost a whole career over one shitty comment?", "Again, regarding your link: I don't know or care who that is and I don't get why I deserve to hear constant bigotry because of someone I only learned existed now. You could tell me she personally murdered dozens and it wouldn't have much bearing because the only connection she has with me is we're both trans and we both don't like what Dave Chappelle said. So why bring it up?\n\nI am literally just a random person. If someone is going to blame \"the trans community\" then that means I really could just live in a shack in the woods with no internet connection and this somehow would still be my fault.", "What movie is he talking about that investors won’t touch?", "No, he's taking a stand to the goobers that claim to support transcommunities, yet do little more than to virtue signal their disgust by regurgitating what many in the media have said, many of which have willfully misconstrued his art.\n\nIt's pretty scandalous. You're contributing to that.", "He presumably spent an hour or more making jokes for the audience before this clip starts. You think he came out there for 3 minutes to a sold out crowd and then left?", "There's a stark difference between being arrested and people saying they don't want your shitty content anymore.", "It’s not binary, Im caught somewhere in-between at the moment. You could maybe say I’m transfandom but I don’t want to get victimized by Dave.", "Well he’s literally being canceled for it so he needs to speak out or he will be drowned out by the vocal minority.", "Apparently, a lot of people care! I find it pretty weird too! \nAll I have to say is fuck Dave Chappelle.", "\"I'm team TERF.\"\n\nThere you go. That's something overtly transphobic he said.", "Just because they aren’t succeeding doesn’t mean they aren’t trying.\n\nEdit: I don’t know anything about this Chapelle situation. My point was more that it’s silly to say “How can he complain about censorship when he has a platform?” Seems like he’s complaining because he thinks that people are trying to censor him. It would be pretty dumb if you think people are trying to silence you to… remain silent?!\n\nWhatever. Downvote me because I’m perceived as being on the wrong side of this issue even though I have no horse in this race.", "Again, how special this situation is to Dave is not remotely my point - it’s just a notable example.\n\nYes, cancel culture has always been a problem for comedy, but it has unquestionably gotten worse in recent times. Whether you agree with that or not is also not really the point, the point is that this shit needs to stop", "Well comedy’s subjective. What was your favorite part?", "But people aren't just saying they \"don't want your shitty content anymore\" - they want no one to have his shitty content any more. (there are people that literally think his words are violence and should be stopped)\n\nAnd I have no idea why you're bringing up being \"arrested\"...", "Dude is soft.", "Dave makes fun of everybody, it's not like Trans people were singled out here. This is the same as the people that are pissed because Micheal Myers killed a gay couple in the new Halloween movie. He's Micheal fucking Myers, he kills everybody!", "> but it has unquestionably gotten worse in recent times\n\nThat's an opinion, not a fact. One I don't share.\n\nThe way I see it is people are being held accountable for their speech same as they ever have been.\n\nOne thing the Chappelle supports have got correct is that this is an online issue. If you think it's really shaking anything up out in the majority of America you, again, need to log off more often.", "What kind of weirdo likes to be bullied? That doesn't sound normal at all.", "Yes, when things are real, there tends to be people who are against reality.", "I don't understand why he has to be canceled when his viewers have all the power in the world to simply change the channel.", "Not sure what makes you think that but sure buddy you do you. Dave Chappelle is great and fortunately will continue to be untouchable by unreasonable mobs of idiots. :)", "Do you have a source that confirms this?", "But then how would you get a chance to be paid thousands of dollars to speak publically about how cancelled and silenced you are??", "Cancel culture isn't about critique but instead it's about industries being very quick to pull the trigger on things they deem high risk.\n\nThe public don't cancel anyone, that's just boycotting and no one gives a shit about that.\n\nWhat people care about is corporations pulling the plug over nothing and that behaviour being weaponised in places like twitter.\n\nCreate outrage, real or not, and you're considered high risk and no longer able to work... You're not being boycotted by the public but instead \"cancelled\" by fearful corporations refusing to work with anything but sure fire bets.\n\nPeople have been cancelled for being complete bigots but they have also been cancelled over having the wrong colour skin (disney and China relations) or being the wrong sexual orientation. ( I know I'm taking the term cancelling pretty losely here) \n\nCancelling is much more than just \"bad comedian said bad thing and now no one wants to go to his shows\". It's about how fearful corporations react to maintain their \"optics\".", "Dave's made fun of a lot of groups and people. But Trans is where the line is drawn.", "He actually was disinvited from film festivals because of his bigotry", "Yeah you can't just say that you're not transphobic then go on a transphobic rant, it doesn't cancel out what you just said.", "No one, but it's a part of society. You're going to have assholes.", "Pfft. You wish.", "It's cause Dave still acts like it's 2006. Dude doesn't understand the internet, doesn't understand the criticism being lobbied at him and is too wealthy/egotistical to ignore it or respond correctly.\n\nHe's become his own skit \"when keeping it real goes wrong\"", "Call out the specific comments you disagree with so you can actually start a dialogue and sort it out.", "Yeah, and I don't like assholes, which is normal.", "At no point did I say I thought it was offensive, or hurtful, or even boring. I mean damn, it takes effort to misinterpret my comment to that degree. It was whiny, self-righteous, and a bit trashy (specifically, using a trans woman’s death as your platform for your vaguely anti-trans statements). I wasn’t bored so much as I was confused as to why he thinks we, from an entertainment standpoint, should care about his endless battle with trans people.", "“Edgy comedians — no one tells them what they can and can’t say. They walk straight onstage, top of their specials sometimes, do ten solid minutes just slagging off transgender people. Just straight out of the gate. And if people on the internet get upset about it, the comedian’s always like, ‘Bad luck! That’s my job. I’m a stand-up comedian … What’s the matter, guys? Too challenging for you?’ Ah, yeah, because you know who’s been long overdue for a challenge: the trans community.” — James Acaster", "yes", "You can’t remember a comedian being hit as hard as Chappelle? Have you ever heard of Louis C.K.? If Dave is canceled, what’s is Louis? \n\nHas nothing to do with softness, you see. That’s your defensiveness to not being able to critically think. I simply think he should write jokes about fair observations, not complain about being canceled despite being one of the highest paid comedians. Everything you have said is just devoid of all real world context. \n\nAgain, if Dave was canceled (ohohoho boogeyman word), then what happened to Louis?", "I’m not arguing if he’s a bigot or not. I’m only replying to the post implying the controversy had no real impact.", "Exactly my point. Just because you're normal in society doesn't mean people have to like you.", "corporations don't bend over backwards for minorities dude.", "> or he admits that he agrees with TERFs that the identities of trans women aren't valid insofar as they can't rightly be called \"women\".\n\nWhy can't \"trans-woman\" be a perfectly valid and uncontroversial identity? Being a trans-woman is not the same thing as being a woman, and the insistence that they are the same thing is part of what people take issue with. That everybody else has to participate in that self-image. Trans-women are real, trans-women are valid, trans-women deserve all the dignity afforded to anybody else, but that doesn't mean that trans-women are the same thing as women.", ">\"the trans community\"\n\nIf you're going to be the one calling the trans community sharks, that's up to you... considering Daphne Dorman (A trans comedian) and how she was harassed for supporting Dave and then killed herself... by that community... I'm not going to stop you. To me that's murder and torture and no one fucking deserves that. I'm not \"transphobic\" I'm against fucks who think its a good idea to harass a trans woman (or anyone... except pedos, pedos can fucking die) to death because of her opinion.\n\nI didn't, cause I know there's plenty of shitty fucking warriors who only care about looking good but no one fucking asked them to do a fucking thing. So to me its just the \"SJW Community\" who really don't give a fuck either, its just a religion of people trying to 1up each other on \"woke\" points and bring nothing useful but fucking screaming and crying over strawmen and fallacies while they strawmen everyone and throw fallacies out at the same time.\n\nYou also don't have to take everything everyone says as \"bigotry\" especially if you're not willing to get any context... you have an opinion and I have mine and Dave Chappelle has his... to run around claiming that one of them is the absolute truth with no context on top of that is really just looking for things to get mad at... you're not willing to get context or find out what's going on, you're just angry because words were said in a vacuum...", "> Cancel culture isn't about critique but instead it's about industries being very quick to pull the trigger on things they deem high risk.\n\nNothing new about that. Richard Pryor was getting shows canceled (in addition to getting himself arrested) after he helped write Blazing Saddles in the 70s.\n\n> What people care about is corporations pulling the plug over nothing and that behaviour being weaponised in places like twitter.\n\nAgain, not a single thing new in that. Instead of newspaper letters to the editors and tv appearances...it's twitter. \n\n> Create outrage, real or not, and you're considered high risk and no longer able to work...\n\nExcept...that's not true at all. Chappelle is still able to work. Joe Rogan is still able to work. Ann Coulter's newest trash still breaks the NY Times top 25 every time it comes out.\n\nBut yeah, the millionaires making money off their bigotry having to deal with a few protests are the real victims.", "If you don’t see all these people, not just comedians, getting canceled for shit they said 10+ years ago that was considered fine at the time as evidence of it getting worse idk what to tell you…", "Ah, now here’s a man who informs himself with clickbait YouTube titles", "I don’t fall too far off the fence on either side. The closer was pretty weak comically and when that happens what is supposed to be a joke turns into something that just won’t be right. But I also think people are on him too hard for putting on a shitty show. It happens. I hope he does better next time.", "You said \"im complaining about being made fun of\". Neither of those two paragraphs have anything to do with the concept of me complaining about mockery of me. Given that basic reading comprehension is clearly beyond you, lets examine why together.\n\nParagraph 1;\n\n>Yes, how dare dave venture away from the safety of attacking white people. Doesn't he know that everyone else is a protected species?\n\nI'm pointing out the hypocrisy of the OP in complaining about one group being mocked (alphabet), but being perfectly happy with another group being the target of that mockery. Nowhere in that statement do I complain, to any degree, about the fact white people or white racists are mocked. Nowhere do I criticize the mockery of white people, ask for it to stop or be moderated in any way.\n\nParagraph 2;\n\n>Why is it every time I hear about a group trying to cancel Dave, its not fuckin white people? They're the ones he's attacked the most, yet we get on with our lives without constantly moaning about it. They're jokes, we get it.\n\nCould this be any clearer? My statement is that white people are not the ones complaining about mockery and attempting to silence Dave. Its other groups. How the fuck can you be so dense as to conflate that with a complaint about being mocked myself? English not a first language?\n\nJust how fuckin stupid are you exactly? \n\nI do not care that Chapelle mocks white people, and I have never complained about it. Nor will I ever, because people who get offended by words are pathetic.\n\nYou get an 'F' for reading comprehension, not your first I'd wager.", "this was my exact same thought when he started bragging about his shows... i was like why you bragging about potentially spreading covid? that's so out of touch.", ">I never said it was offensive\n\n>proceeds to call it offensive", "When it’s stand up comedy and when he targets every single group, you can", "It seems the trans community hady taken over Reddit", "Generally speaking I agree with you, but I think it's a given that a guy like Jeselnik respects the hell out of Dave Chappelle. I think you'd be pretty hard-pressed to find anyone in the comedy world that doesn't hold him in pretty high regard on a professional level. Obviously that could be quite different on a personal level and I agree that these conversations would be more fascinating off-the-record but since we're just never going to be privvy to that, we're kind of just forced to take him at his word and hope it's somewhat close to how he actually feels.", "He said if rowlings was a TERF then he’s a TERF too. Context is everything but I guess it’s nothing for someone who likes to twist words.", "Sorry he was 38.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshanna_Lonstein_Gruss\n\nhttp://defamer.gawker.com/remember-when-38-year-old-jerry-seinfeld-dated-a-17-yea-1714153938\n\nhttps://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainment/jerry-seinfeld-once-dated-a-17-year-old-he-was-38.html/\n\nhttps://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2837871/Jerry-Seinfeld-s-ex-girlfriend-Shoshanna-Lonstein-splits-husband-ten-years.html\n\nLike it wasn’t covered up and was heavily featured in the tabloids of the time.", "Desktop version of /u/darshfloxington's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshanna_Lonstein_Gruss>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "\"Omg how dare people be offended by offensive comments\". It's so fucking annoying when people don't like hearing transphobic commentary ya know?/s", "You can not support him. You can protest outside Netflix. Do whatever you want, but he can speak on it still.", "I don't really have a response to the last two bits you edited in there other than you really are reaching", "Everyone. Even the lgbtq community because they all support Palestine.", "Yeah and back in the 70s people that were vocal segregationists in previous decades got forced out of public life. Well...unless it was the south or a republican politician.\n\nBigots don't get a pass because they haven't reiterated their bigotry in the last 6 months. Homophobia wasn't okay in the 90s just because popular media hadn't figured out it wasn't yet.", "I think cancelled implies an actual... cancelling, no?\n\nLike Kevin Spacey was cancelled", "I get exactly what you’re saying but that’s the problem,people can use just about anything to justify their actions.This is just one man’s opinion it shouldn’t be a reason to justify hate", "I think he's doing it for the money. His movie was 'canceled,' and while that means his voice was mostly silenced, it also means his money is reduced. \n\nThat's my take on why he's on about it.", "He has bad takes and his jokes are usually done that way, I’m asking when he talked about the trans experience?", "\nDude… Louis CK was canceled for whipping his dick out, that had nothing to with language or jokes. What a dipshit comparison. \n\nI also love that there’s this expectation that comedians are just supposed to not talk about the fact that there are hundreds of thousands of people and literal protests trying to end their career? Like that’s just some minor inconvenience in their lives? Imagine if your were being stalked by somebody and when you spoke it about the response was “the stalker hasn’t done anything to you yet, stop complaining”", "I appreciate Dave but he needs to stick to his word and shut the fuck up about this issue. I want some solid jokes again. The Closer is easily his worst special and that Hannah Gadsby slam was a cheap shot. That was indeed punching down. She isn't funny but no need to shine a spotlight on her because she spat in the face of the Netflix CEO on Insta.", "Oh so you’re one of the people who thinks jokes = bigotry… got it. Explains a lot. Next time just openly identify as a pussy and save us both some time", "What do you mean assume? He literally tells you in the special he was making transphobic comments almost 2 decades ago and look at him still going. In the same sense you're going to defend him no matter what because he says it like it is! \n\nHe hasn't learned shit and has come out as a TERF, what a fucking joke.", "Dave really needs to get over this phase of his comedy where most of what he does is respond to his critics. Most of us couldn't care less about the outrage brigade and the controversy, and we have no interest in hearing him drone on about it.\n\nThe most upvoted one.", "i love him so much, i love what he said and how he said it, everyone acts like he did some mosterous thing, if geoge carlin was alive to see what is happening to comedy . . he'd make a special and tell everyone to stfu", "Are you a literal fucking child? Who talks like this.", "agreed, he just needs to keep doin him", "Did you mean to reply to someone else this has nothing to do with my comment?", "> When you say \"I'm on team TERF\"\n\nBecause everything people say in a comedy routine is factual.", "Tell me you know you've lost the debate without telling me you know you've lost the debate.", "A special dedicated to the trans community is definitely \"targeting every group\"/s. You can't call the rants he went on comedy. What's the comedic value behind calling yourself a TERF, a group known for fighting against trans rights?", "Why does it matter to you? It doesn’t affect you or your life, so who cares what anyone identifies as. The only assholes in this situation deny other humans the dignity of their own identity.", "People wanting to scrub your name and presence from all media and social outlets, while losing your job and never wanting to see you in public is very much cancel culture. It's basically \"we don't like you so you shouldn't exist\". Has it happened to him yet? No, but why wait until it these people get what they are calling for to talk about it afterwards. This shit needs to stop.", "Who is they?", "He was saying black people were bigger victims only in the context that people were calling him an oppressor. \n\nHis main point was: I’m not transphobic just because I make jokes.\n\nThe funny juxtaposition with all of this is that he goes after almost every one in all his comedy yet this is the one that sticks.\n\nDoesn’t this tell you something about the movement in the current state?", "When did the entire LGBT community get together and vote on this? I didn’t hear about it, but I guess it could have missed my radar.\n\nHave you considered that this could be a case in which a vocal minority has directed the spotlight onto themselves, claiming their opinions represent those of the entire transgender community?", "> If you're going to be the one calling the trans community sharks, that's up to you\n\nNo, that was you.\n\n\nCommunity this, SJW woke that, you're projecting a lot of other people onto me here. You're fully embroiled in internet culture war stuff and you're failing to see why regular trans people don't like this. In the meantime, I can't control thousands of people I don't know, so I'm not waiting on that to stand up for myself when I get shit on constantly.", "This thread has so many uniformed opinions or they are just cancel culture activists themselves.", "I don’t get how that imposes on Dave, you could switch the initial wording to “I don’t like this phase of his comedy…” and it seems to fit your criteria of a simple critique.", "The Reddit “debaters” strike again! 😂\n\nYou were arguing about a completely different topic dude, like what a fucking tangent this was", "Lmao this is getting downvoted by the alphabet people on reddit. These fuckers only care about the headline without having to hear what he has to say. Good job folks!", "At least 50+ % of that show is funny, it's mainly the last bit that really strays into a dramatic piece. I'd agree it's not funny, it's provoking and thoughtful but I wouldn't say it's comedy.", "Okay hun.\n\nGo touch grass. Seriously.", "Hahahah you're absolutely right, why am I trying to make you like Dave Chappelle? Reading your comment again, you're clearly not a fan of comedy. Sorry, I've been getting carried away in this thread. I'm sorry you feel this way, but to each their own, I guess.", "How do you figure?\n\nThere is a group of people trying to inhibit what other people can get, because they do not like it, even though there is an audience that does. That isn't just the market working itself out, it's literal market share warfare. \n\nThere are more than enough people in this thread who are willing to shill the hatred and not even watch the art. This thread is proving what Dave is saying is correct.", "Yeah, Dave Chappelle should take heed of that.", "He's starting to sound very much like those right wing asshats who whine about being cancelled whenever they say something incredibly racist and get called out on it.", "So now you're saying that they DO concede to minorities?", "Lol", "The classic \"it's hilarious until the jokes about me\".", "But the fact is they are. It's not \"just one man's\" opinion. This man has a huuuge following. Chappelle had the choice to edit it out if he wanted to. He didn't. He and Netflix decided it was worth to keep. Netflix, who removed a Community episode for depicting \"Drowface\". He's not addressing the criticism head on, instead re routing the conversation about how he's \"cancelled\".", "Says the dude who has been constantly commenting on Reddit posts about Dave Chapelle for 7 consecutive hours 😂", "Made me giggle", "I mean it's kinda obtuse to claim you're a TERF and expect to still be a VIP at any film festival. An audience doesn't get more progressive than at film festivals.", "Sounds like the free market to me", "Your first comment: \"I don't know how to read\"\n\nYour second comment: \"I still don't know how to read\"\n\nDidn't know I was debating someone with an actual mental deficiency.", "People on Reddit really got on the “SHUT UP AND DO YOUR JOB” train that they enjoyed criticizing quite quickly.", "I mean, we can all take statements and switch words, but that wouldn’t accurate, would it?", "lol what's the problem? They're telling a private company \"we are mad about this, and it will have financial repercussions\". That's just speech working in the free market.", "Can I eat a bowl of dicks even if it did not bother me. I just like dicks tbh", "I can agree with him throwing the canceling word out quick when this all started. He should have addressed it", "Everyone gets mad online, but when trans people do it, well that's cancel culture.", "He’s a phony for sure.", "A man can never be genetically a woman isn't that the thing terf is about or am I missing something?", "Being skilful doesn't excuse bigotry tough", "It’s not about his jokes being funny or not, it’s about him being transphobic. I don’t care if he tells a bunch of jokes I don’t find funny, but transphobia is never okay.", "\\world's largest\n\nDude is FAR from cancelled.", "> They offered the money because people wanted these specials. There IS a market for the work, that has been established. A group of people protesting platforms carry it isn't allowing the market to carry itself out, that is a group of people telling you what you are allowed to see.\n\nThen the platforms will continue to offer those specials, if they view the financial gain will overcome the financial loss. If not, again, that is literally just the free market of ideas.\n\nJust like the free market, some ideas will fail. You can call that canceling if it helps you cope.", "I'm not sure what that means in this context.", "Wait, he actually used the term \"TERF\"? I've avoided this whole thing because I really have no interest in watching an aging stand-up comedian's special, again.", ">Says his special is exclusively whining\n\n>But wait that doesn’t mean I think it’s boring\n\n>Says he used a dead trans woman for anti-trans rhetoric\n\n>But wait that doesn’t mean I think it’s hateful\n\nDo you just exist for plausible deniability or something?", "Yeah that's his point", "It’s in the news to an extent. Apparently the “outrage brigade” is suing him over his last show.", "but what's his counter point though? i watched this whole clip and i have no idea wtf his counter point is. he tried to deflect by blaming corporations... yea corporations move depending on public opinion. they're not gonna give a shit if only like 5% or 10% of the population will stop buying their shit. like as much as nestle is evil even with 10% of people boycotting them, they're never gonna stop selling water. companies wouldn't stop selling dave's shit if they thought there was only a minority of people who hate it.\n\nthen he what, he pivots to saying he's not bigotted against transgenders? uh just saying you aren't doesn't mean much. what evidence does he present to counter that? does he admit he didn't know what TERF was when he said he was on team TERF? cause that would be a legit counter point and would be easy to forgive him for. shit i didn't know wtf TERF meant for a long ass time.\n\nthere's also a weird section in there where he talks about having shows during covid, and he's like really proud about it. i was like what? what are you bragging about here? like my take on that is that he thought lockdowns were just this horrible terrible inconvenience and he triumphed over lockdowns by having his outdoor shows.... that's not a triumph, it's a spreader event. though thankfully it was early in covid so it probably wasn't all that likely, but he brags about how people from other countries came. \n\nhonestly the whole clip made it seem like he was really up his own ass here. i don't even think he was being that anti trans, originally i just thought he didn't know what TERF meant. but after this special it just sounds like he's whining. i love dave and i love his comedy, i put him at the greatest comic of all time. but the way he's handling this is really bad. honestly he tries to make it sound like he's making a stand, but it really sounds like he just wants to make a shitload of money. like there was a point there where he was like i'm gonna share this with all of you, and i was like oh shit, really? he's going to put this up on youtube or some shit? but then he's like you can buy it in some select cities... then i was like... oooo k... this is the same with when he complained about his show being streamed. like yea i bet the contract he signed didn't cover streaming then, so he got a raw deal. but the way he talked about it just sounded like he wanted more money and he was angry about it. which is fine, i think he does deserve some royalties for his show being streamed, but like the way he went about it is basically like he was trying to cancel hbo and shit. getting public opinion to turn on them for something they thought was perfectly normal, hbo bought the rights to stream the show from comedy central. \n\nwhy didn't dave only target comedy central? it was also annoying how he said if you watch his show on any of those platforms it's like you're buying fenced goods. it just rubbed me the wrong way, though at the time it didn't really irk me much. i was like meh he's just mad cause contracts in hollywood are fucking shit. but now after seeing this clip, he comes off less sympathetic for me.", ">Apparently didn’t watch the video where he explained how he’s been un-invited to all the film festivals, nobody wanting to touch him, etc.\n\nFree market at work! Yes, in the marketplace of ideas, what you say can have financial consequences.", "comedy, ted talk, whatever you\nwant to call it now. Dave's shows are very entertaining to me. One of my favorite comedians ever", "Yeah and I say fuck people that are trying to take down content that I like with no fucking reasonable justification. They're insane ideologues and Dave did nothing wrong. But who's speech is under threat here? Because it seems like it's Dave that is having shows cancelled. Fuck these people that want to cancel him.\n\nThis argument of \"oh it's a free market\" strikes me as so disingenuous because the people that make it are always people who generally don't like the the thing that's being cancelled. You'd feel differently if people were going out of their way to obsessively find things to be offended by, and going out of their way to call companies to have the thing you like cancelled in as many places as they can. That's what these fucking cunts do. And you think it's not going to happen to you but it will, and your support of this kind of insane narcissism will bite you on the ass eventually when it happens to the things you like, or perhaps even to you.", "It seems he forgot that LGBT people aren't white by definition. When he pictures a gay or trans person he stereotypes them as white, so he sees it as a white movement. Black LGBT people are among the most vulnerable in America, LGBT rights helps black people, too.", "I know, I’m just saying there’s a more moderate position there and the first part seems a bit trivial to get hung up on. I don’t think OP literally wants to force Dave to act a certain way. It’s a matter of phrasing and not the actual argument.", "To be fair, when they said \"until this\" they might mean when the closer criticism started, as Gatsby came out to have a go at Netflix soon after. (which was weeks ago now)", "Yeah like when he said \"I'm team TERF\" (radical feminists who oppose trans rights legislation and believe that trans women are imposters, misogynists and predators who are trying to intrude on 'real' women's spaces). That was so witty and not at all just an outright statement of his own personal beliefs. \n \nCan't trans people who go through life with enormous social prejudice, reduced job prospects and a much higher risk of being a victim of violent crime simply for being who they are take a \"joke?'", "Exactly Louis was canceled, not picked up by Netflix to be one of the highest paid comedians. And Louis did a whole lot of other shit than just whip his dick out. So has every other canceled person. \n\nPoint is, Chappelle isn’t canceled and his self-victimizing only pulls in people who knee jerk react to his language. Whether that people people against his jokes, or defending him. \n\nAlso, idk what you’d call the MeToo movement. Conveniently ignore that wave while thinking a couple of Netflix employees walking out is a world changing event for someone with 7 figures.\n\nHe doesn’t give a shit because more people are willing to buy tickets for him to tell them he’s not canceled.", "I'm not trying to make any suggestions about whether it's new or not, legit or not.\n\nI'm just simply saying that cancelling isn't about public opinion but instead it is about how corporations react to perceived risk from that public opinion.\n\n>Except...that's not true at all. Chappelle is still able to work. Joe Rogan is still able to work. Ann Coulter's newest trash still breaks the NY Times top 25 every time it comes out.\n\nI wouldn't exactly call any one of these people high risk.\n\n>But yeah, the millionaires making money off their bigotry having to deal with a few protests are the real victims.\n\nIf you personally don't agree with someones views, great, don't watch them, that is your right. But it isn't reasonable or moral to expect corporations to midiate what is considered bigoted.\n\nA perfect example of why this is terrible is John Boyega. He was actively removed from star wars advertising in china because having a black guy might effect sales. This is exactly the same shit, but instead of \"he said something I don't like\" it's \"he has the wrong skin colour I like\". It's nice when corporations interests line up with yours but it's fucking terrible when they don't.\n\nEdit:\n\nThe reality is, hoping corporations will mediate celebrities you disagree with is just dancing with the devil. It not crazy to see a world where trans or poc are considered high risk. What happens if your demographic isn't financially rewarding to a company? Well guess who's now underrepresented, guess who is now \"cancelled\" for pissing off the high spenders. \n\n\"Don't include trans people the high spending bigots don't want to see a trans person in their products\"\n\nedit 2:\n\nApparently people don't understand hyperbole", "It seems lately that if I don't like him, that's cancel culture.", "I don't think comedians can be bigots.... They're expected to be ruthless. And they should be. Cuz that shit is funny as fuck.", "Chapelle threads are brigaded af, so if you see a common theme in the response that is why.", "\"I just want a civil debate!\" is a common tactic of conservatives/right-wingers. On its face, it sounds noble. A debate! A civil one! That's what society is built on, right? The marketplace of ideas!\n\nBut a problem arises when we allow conservatives to re-litigate a societal debate that has already taken place and has already been decided.\n\nImagine a huge group of Americans with a shared rallying cry, \"We want a civil debate over whether interracial marriage is acceptable!\" It's a civil debate they want, so you should fully support making that debate happen, right?\n\nWrong.\n\nWhen you allow a vocal, bigoted minority to constantly re-tread societal debates that have already been resolved, you are prevented from making actual progress solving the inequities that cropped up before the original debate took place. Instead, all of your time and energy is exhausted in the same tired arguments. You already know which side will \"win\" the debate, because it's already happened. It isn't like the anti-trans folks are ever - ever* - going to win that particular culture war. But if they can keep progressives embroiled in the same debate over and over and over again, they can prevent (or at least stall) the things they don't want to happen from happening.\n\n\"I just want an open discussion!\" is great when you're insisting on having a discussion that hasn't already happened. It's a critical step in making progress. But when that discussion has happened already, and a \"winner\" decided, re-engaging every time a bigot demands a rematch is incredibly counter-productive. It's important to recognize these attempts as what they are - the stalling tactics of sore losers in the culture wars.\n\nThey can shout all they want from the sidewalk corner of their choice, but society shouldn't be handing them a megaphone to rehash civil rights arguments. When a bigot demands an \"open discussion\" or a \"civil debate\", the correct response is, \"No, bigot, we've already had that debate, and your side lost.\"", "Nobody is saying he can't. Just that if he doubles down on spreading bigotry there won't be open arms like with any other person.", "He is starting to look a bit like Sammy Davis Jr. in his old age, ngl.", "An you think he wouldn’t have made absurd bank either way? He’s Dave fucking Chapel. \n\nI don’t agree with all that he says, but I’m pretty confident that he is speaking what he believes and using his fame as a platform more than a money making machine. He could milk himself far more than he does now if he really wanted all the money in the world.\n\nDo you think he was money grubbing when he made this https://youtu.be/3tR6mKcBbT4?", ">A perfect example of why this is terrible is John Boyega. He was actively removed from all star wars advertising in china because having a black guy might effect sales. \n\nNo, he wasn't.", "How do you know he doesn’t? Seems a lot of people wants to force others to act a certain way these days.", "Is he being sensitive about how people didn’t like his special again?", "I think it's mostly people that support doing it and they create bad justifications or downplay what is going on to make it not seem so bad. \n\nThere are some fair points though that are sometimes made. Like some people should maybe lose a prestigious job if they do something bad enough or the fact that we aren't free from criticism. And that people can boycott, if they want to.\n\nBut they should also understand they should be critiqued for their actions and in many cases it's a witch hunt. The idea that Dave is soft for complaining is a strange point to make, when that would mean the people complaining about him must be soft too... well unless you just are siding with them and think he should shut up.\n\nAnyways the almost religious movement of shaming others and projecting a self-image of victimhood and purity is quite scary. \n\nThe strangest bit is that a leader of the Netflix protest has a bunch of anti-Asian tweets but no one seems upset about those... maybe because it's a transwoman...", "Remember when comedy was about breaking boundaries and everyone laughed together and at each other? Miss those days. No one laughs anymore, everyone just gets offended. Dave used to be much better in the past. He toned his jokes down and people still crying.", "Except... he was...\n\nHere you go:\n\nhttps://boundingintocomics.com/2021/05/04/star-wars-fans-accuse-disney-and-lucasfilm-of-removing-finn-from-new-the-force-awakens-poster/\n\nhttps://eu.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2020/09/13/perfume-brand-says-cutting-john-boyega-ad-china-misstep/5788010002/", "I think that he is trying to address a societal problem that he feels strongly about. It isn’t just about transgender people, it’s about the power that relatively small groups of people have to control what the rest of us are allowed to see, say and watch.. It’s fine if you don’t see that going on or care about it, but many of us do. I’ll be going to his movie showing in Indy, mainly to support him and to circumnavigate the film festivals that uninvited him. \n\nHe isn’t JUST a comedian either, nor does he have to be.", "Why did I get downvoted? Lmao. Thanks for answering. Team TERF is hard to excuse.", "How about you, I don't know, maybe listen instead? Chappelle does some real harm, whether he means to or not. It may not affect you, but it does affect others, and you telling them to \"hush\" when they bring it up? It's basically the same as admitting that if it doesn't hurt you specifically, you give no shits. It's not a good look.", "It matters because women's voices aren't being heard about issues that are still affecting them. I'm not denying any other person the dignity of their own identity.", "I actually think his “droning” is hilarious. It’s part of the bit, so don’t take it so seriously and enjoy the show.", "Yes. While he was supporting J.K. Rowling since she shared the same stance.", "You are fundamentally missing the point. Whether Dave is cancelled or not, there are literal protests trying to make that happen. THATS the problem. Regardless of if they are successful, it is the act of trying to silence and ruin somebody over jokes that needs to stop, and that’s why he should absolutely continue to call these people out.\n\nTo go back to the stalker example, it doesn’t matter if the stalker hurts you or not. The fact that the stalker exists at all is the problem itself", "I didn't call it cancelling, I just said it's not a true representation of real market share, which it isn't. It IS manipulation, it fits the very definition of that.\n\nThe fact is there is a share for something, and another group is trying to make the decision for that group they should be able to even have it. I am not going to side with the group trying to suppress another unless something really extreme is happening and I watched the show and heard the comments and these aren't that. In fact, basically everyone I have argued with over it explicitly hadn't seen it, they don't even truly know what they are suppressing and they think they do.", "He isn’t making jokes, he’s addressing a current event.", "They meant \"old\" as in \"back in the old days\". \nI agree tho, \"young\" would've worked better there.", "I think you can have comedy without punching down. ButnI also think you can have some great comedy making fun of everyone if it’s actually funny. Dave’s obsession with the trans community just isn’t funny. Sam Jay (a gay black comic) has some really funny trans jokes in one of her specials. They were borderline, but she pulled them off and they were funny af.", "…so like you when there’s unacceptable phrasing afoot? And anyway you could find out by asking OP if you’re that concerned. Then you could rest easy knowing that one commenter isn’t actually going to reprogram Dave’s mind with his hundreds of upvotes.", "Yeah, I’ve noticed.", "Yeah, it's almost like when I am online I respond to direct comments or something.\n\nAs someone who obviously exists solely online to the point they think online life is real life...I can see how that might be confusing for you.", ">You'd feel differently if people were going out of their way to obsessively find things to be offended by\n\nYou mean like every comments section about Marvel's The Immortals having a gay character being 70 comments deep of homophobia? Or the new character in the Superman comics being bisexual? Etc...\n\nYeah man, the queers don't know ANYTHING about people hating on them. \n\nDude what kinda weird as comment is this? \n\n>insane narcissism \n\nWhat?", "Spreading bigotry?", "If you want to see it that way", "I called my boss a cumcatcher once. \n\nIf your boss fires you for you calling him a name(especially years ago) its because he's looking for a reason to fire you.", "Half of Dave's routine these days is \"preachy boomer\", where he says some \"edgy\" things that aren't even jokes because he's really trying to push his views on people.\n\nThen he cries when people don't like his opinion.", "Ok, so I respond with the comments seeming so strange and now I think people are trying reprogram his mind?", "> Cancel culture doesn't exist\n\n...\n\n> OK It does but it's allowed. Free market\n\nYou can't have it both ways. Not taking a side on the particular cancel culture issue, but pick one side of your argument and argue it's points. Be open to changing your mind if the reason for you holding a specific view is argued well. \n\nDon't say something, receive what you clearly view as reasonable criticism based on your response, and then re-frame your argument to justify your position.\n\nThat's the antithesis of critical thinking.", "I think he said everyone he knows in the community supports him — as opposed to everyone that exists in said community. Not arguing sides, but I think that’s an important distinction. If anything, that distinction may be why he feels he’s not in the wrong. Because the folx he personally knows in that community support him — or at least say they do in discussion with him.", "But these companies have to listen to their consumers. Consumers are saying we don't want it.", "Been asking that about Dave for years.", "Oh cool, they got the person with total authority over the trans communitie’s opinions to weigh in on the matter. That settles it.", "Your sources say she was 18 when they started dating. While gross, it doesn't make him a sexual predator. She was an adult and capable of making her own dumb decisions.", "He can say all that stuff on any platform, there are tons of podcasts where he can talk for hours about societies problems and his ideas about it. I think people who have bought a ticket to see a comedy show deserve more then this.", "That's because he dabbles in it. He's more of a Hollywood dissociated type who's just really out of touch with reality and says lots of stupid shit. Some on the left. Some on the right.", "> When did the entire LGBT community get together and vote on this?\n\nThis is such a disingenuous argument. \"When did the entire Black community get together and decide that they all wanted interracial marriage to be allowed? *I* sure didn't hear about it!\" Just because you have zero meaningful sense of what the transgender community at-large cares about doesn't mean that it isn't clear to anyone paying attention.\n\nAre you not aware that there literally are organizations that exist because they represent communities like this? GLAAD is one such example, and they've been [pretty clear about what their take on the matter is.](https://twitter.com/glaad/status/1445870767548231685?lang=en) The HRC is another example of an organization that exists because it represents the LGBTQ+ community. [Here's their response to Chappelle.](https://twitter.com/HRC/status/1445760431574814731?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) Or what about the National Center for Transgender Equality? [Here's them chiming in.](https://twitter.com/TransEquality/status/1450495873692098567?s=20)\n\nSo here's my challenge to you: I've found multiple national, prominent organizations who owe their entire existence to the fact that they represent these communities, and they're unanimous in being opposed to the things Chappelle's said. Can you find an organization that represents the trans community at-large that supports what Chappelle has said? Or even one that hasn't made a statement opposing him?", "He's a rich boomer acting like an asshole. Shocker.", "In no way is anyone advocating for ignoring women, or whatever strawman you’re bringing up.\nAnd you are doing exactly that - in your first comment you asked “Why can’t ‘trans-woman’ be a perfectly valid and uncontroversial identity?” Clearly some people are NOT comfortable with that identity for their own reasons, so the only non-dickhead move is to say okay and move along. It should make no difference to you what makes anyone else feel comfortable.", "The discrimination the transgender community faces is unmatched. No group has such high unemployment, homelessness or murder rate.\n\nWhat kind of person are you if you use your stage to rile on these people? Sure, 1st amendment gives you the right but you're still some asocial bigot.", "Reprogramming his mind = hyperbolic way to say they’re forcing him to act a certain way.", ">I didn't call it cancelling, I just said it's not a true representation of real market share, which it isn't. It IS manipulation, it fits the very definition of that.\n\nLol people are just yelling. It either A) is a true representation of market share, in which case, it is the free market, or B) companies will ignore it and make bank. In no world would a market segment care about a vocal minority and miss out on profit. \n\nYou keep calling free speech \"suppression\" and it's creepy AF.", "The \"trans\" part really doesn't need to come up 95% of the time in my daily life though.", "i didn't even get to the trans jokes of Closer because i stopped watching after he compared black people beating asian people to his body beating covid. straw that broke the camel of tone-deaf jokes about asians from dave's back. no idea what the fuss is about, and do not care. dave's glory days are over - Killing em Softly and For What it's Worth will be timeless classics. Chappelle Show will always be iconic. Everything else he has done is hugely forgettable and honestly just not good. he comes across as an ornery man now losing touch with the zeitgeist. can't name one joke from any of his netflix specials, but i can name several from KES and FWIW.", "You realize they are...jokes.", "This isn’t the red scare, people who get cancelled largely survive and go right back to making content, unless it’s R. kelly or Harvey weinstein, and even they got away with it for far too long.", "People want to pay for Netflix but they don't want their money to go to that. It's not as simple as broadcast TV. \n\nYou either have it or you don't.", "A lot of people don’t understand nuance. They see you saying a trans woman and a genetically born woman are different and immediately think you are an arsehole who hates trans people (I don’t think that and tend to agree with you). Saying that though, there are a lot of people that actually DO hate trans people who say that exact same thing. It kills a lot of the conversation and makes people so scared to say what they think, that it ends up with things like trans women being allowed to compete against genetically born women in sport \n\nEdit: Don’t downvote without a reason. Don’t see how anything I said is wrong", "They are jokes from a comedian. Not real world, quit crying. Eat a cupcake", "23k views in 9 hours. This is how David Chappell dodges the laser beams, by continuing the dialog.", "\"I've been cancelled\" says multimillionaire to a packed stadium", "I think it's funny that people keep harping on the Dixie Chicks thing from a decade and a half ago proving that you can count on your hand how many times conservatives have canceled someone, yet I've lost count of everyone canceled by the left in even just the last 3 years.\n\nReddit gonna Reddit...", "\"While still a 17-year-old high school student, she met then 38-year-old Jerry Seinfeld in a public park\"\n\nIn what world do you think an almost 40 year old man approaching a teenager makes them out to be anything other than a fucking creep", "Simone de Beauvoir famously stated that in order to be a woman you simply had to say you were one. I am paraphrasing of course, but it was the gist of it. If you were saying you were a woman, went around being a woman and identified and thought of yourself as a woman, then you are.\n\nHowever, there is debate about how far we can actually take that. And that the left in America have completely abandoned any notion that there is a debate to be had is concerning.\n\nTo me that was what Chapelle was speaking to, and his experience has borne the truth of.\n\nYou cannot question mainstream transgender narratives without being labelled as something derogatory and having far-left activists try and ostracise you. This is bullying behavior and what I see on the far-right and far-left in spades.", "As an asian who has been jumped in the last year because of covid. I still found this funny.", "You cherry picking one example isn’t providing an accurate depiction of what is going on. I don’t like Bret Weinstein or Jordan Peterson but you didn’t choose those examples, why not? I shouldn’t feel like I can’t defend ideas that are counter to the politically correct narrative.. You say it’s simply about consequences, but it’s also just the constant threat of, “get in line with what we deem acceptable or else you will not have a place here”. I don’t want to live in a society like that, I think Ideas should be expressed and challenged freely. If someone is trying to stop free expression or curb it in a way that makes others hesitant to speak honestly then I really don’t want anything to do with them and I’m going to oppose them.", ">a special type of artist that is SUPPOSED to be controversial\n\n\"Edgy comedians? No one tells them what they can and can't say. They walk straight on stage, top of their specials sometimes, do 10 solid minutes just slagging off transgender people. Straight out the gate just making fun of transgender people; if people on the internet get upset about it the comedian's always like '[Bad luck; that's my job. I'm a standup comedian: I'm meant to challenge people. If you don't like being challenged, don't watch my shows. What's the matter, guy? Too challengin' for ya? That's my job. I'm a standup comedian: I'm meant to challenge people. If you don't like being challenged, don't watch my shows. What's the matter, guy? Too challengin' for ya? That's my job. I'm a standup comedian: I'm meant to challenge people. If you don't like being challenged, don't watch my shows. What's the matter, guy? Too challengin' for ya?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHqma3rx-xI&t=171s)' Yeah. Cause you know who's been long overdue a challenge? The trans community.\" - James Acaster", "Not really, my point is that people are acting like LGBTQ+ people can't handle being treating like everyone else.", "Join us", "Why do we start with mockery though? Like why is that the first thing they have to be okay with. Maybe if we actually accepted them as people first eventually they’d be okay with mockery later.", "Because trans people are people and I treat them like people?", ">the alphabet people\n\nThank you for proving how Dave Chappelle's rhetoric emboldens actual transphobia.", "[Oh look, who's this?](https://youtu.be/ECYgD7zylrE?t=63)", "Oh, well thanks for letting me know.\n\nSo, fuck Dave Chappelle for that, I look forward to people pretending that he doesn't exist, just like the HP fans and J.K. Rowling.", "Lol “poor guy”. Come on reddit what is up with these comments smh.", "That's kinda the point hes big enough to clap back at cancel culture.", "Truth!\n\nThis shit ain't funny", "So then why does he keep bitching about shit? You say he's big, but he sounds pretty small to me.", ">I see no evidence to suggest he calculated the thing.\n\nYou think a guy that's been in the industry for 30 years just went up there and winged it for a 60 million dollar set of shows? \n\nNo, dude, he's a professional. \n\n>he was already the number 1 comedian.\n\nDave Chappelle was absolutely not the number 1 comedian in America anymore until these specials. Dude had been a near non-entity for 15 years.", "Can you imagine I find a black dude who can laugh at my slavery jokes and all of the sudden the people rightfully offended are the ones that can't take a joke. That just sounds like bully mentality.", "It's funny watching people that kind of want Dave canceled trying to act like Cancel Culture isn't an actual thing or that they're tired of hearing about it. Yeah, we are too. How about you dumbasses stop doing it, or stop trying to cover for those that are, and people will stop complaining about it?\n\nI've noticed these people are like your sibling teasing you when you were little where they flail around and then say that if you get in their way it's your own fault.", "I’m not saying anyone is forcing anything. I just think the comments and how they’re worded is weird. I replied to some of those comments as well. Its ok that I made a comment myself, yeah? I think it’s ok.", ">Maybe if we actually accepted them as people first eventually they’d be okay with mockery later.\n\nSociety already has", "I would. If it's not you're cup of tea that's fine I understand. But people gotta start understanding that what some people fine hilarious others might find offensive. And that's just the world we live in man.", "A transwoman was the woman of the year because he was a celebrity and trans, that’s it. Dave is right.", ">Calling for a boycott and calling for a product/service to be removed\n\nSo somehow you think people trying to take down Netflix entirely is less extreme than them calling for Netflix to take down one special?", "Did the person above you stutter?!", "Your acct isn’t weird at all.", "Around 1981-2 my sister was dating the manager of a comedy club the JS was headlining. It was his normal schtick that I had already seen but he was funny and the crowd loved him. After the show I was in the managers office to pay the talent and he came in. He was the biggest asshole and I was just really surprised. He had a really shitty attitude demanding his money while saying IT HAD BETTER BE CASH!! I was kinda of shocked and stood back while the manager handled it smoothly and handed him an envelope. He counted it out while saying “This better be right”. We both knew it wasn’t a threat of violence but had anything gone wrong, he would have spread it all over the comedy community and bookings would have been terrible", "The problem with Netflix is that its all one package. You can choose to not buy one book. You can't have Netflix but also boycott this special. \n\nSo really its nothing like book burning.", " I'm not accountable for other people's opinions.", "You know what stuttering is, right?", "Kathleen Stock is a university professor who believes that gender self-identification may be harmful.\n\nSince term began protesters in balaclavas and masks have been denouncing Professor Stock’s “transphobia”. They have let off flares next to signs saying “Stock Out” and put up posters reading “We’re not paying £9,250 [$12,600] a year for transphobia—fire Kathleen Stock”. One group stated that: “Our demand is simple: fire Kathleen Stock. Until then, you’ll see us around.” Police have advised her to install CCTV cameras at home and implied that she may need security guards to return to campus.\n\nIn January more than 600 academics signed an open letter protesting against Professor Stock being awarded an OBE. Rather than condemning the attacks against her, the Sussex branch of the UCU urged a university-wide investigation into “institutional transphobia” and warned that “appeals to both employment rights and academic freedom are often instrumentlised” (in other words, used as cover for bigotry). \n\nShereen Benjamin, a sociologist at Edinburgh University, has long suffered harassment for similar views. In 2019, when students who agree with her put up stickers around campus saying that “Female is a biological reality”, the principal called them “offensive” and said those responsible would be disciplined.\n\nSource: The Economist\n\nhttps://www.economist.com/britain/academic-freedom-in-british-universities-is-under-threat/21805537", "Are you kidding me? Society has already accepted them? When multiple states are trying to deny them basic civil rights? We’re not even going to talk about other countries. Just the states.", "They did cancel his movie in many places. Should only the poors complain about cancel culture? I guess you are still butthurt about the trans jokes lmao.", "&#x200B;\n\nYou're fucking kidding right? Artists shouldn't conform to please a crowd, they are up there to be themselves and practice their craft, crowd p leasers and folks that enforce that ideology only stamp creative minds and minds that speak for themselves. It isn't a surprise that you hate hearing race issues from a black man, talking about his struggles as a black man interweaves in his comedy. At one point he played the stereotype but he's grown wiser as a human being but I don't expect you to get that given your comments. Lets get downvote hell judging from the upvotes you got but i don't really give a shit. Folks like you love bending ppl even if it stamps out their personalities.", "People that try to act like Cancel Culture isn't a thing is the same as your sibling that flails their arms around and then tells you it's your fault if you get in their way.", "Because hes not just speaking for himself he speaks for those who cannot speak back.", "The part where thousands of people online are saying you're not allowed to criticize the big corporation's big star.", "I guess the market has spoken then.", "Yeah, treat everybody equal. Saying you're a TERF is the complete opposite. That's bigotry.", "\n>I’m not saying anyone is forcing anything\n“Seems a lot of people want to force others to act a certain way”\n\nAlso I’m not trying to be a dick but you have to expand on why these things are “weird”. I’m legit trying to understand you here.", "He hates cancel culture, not money.", "Still doesn't have anything to do with my comment ¯ \\ _(ツ)_/¯", "Richard Pryor the ulti.ate GOAT once had a stand up show where he joked about Gay people. Most of his jokes were about Black people. He joked about everyone. He said he was never so savaged as he was with Gay community after he made some Gay jokes. He told the crowd to kiss his Black ass and left. Different era and all. Dave should just move on and apologize that they were just jokes. This protest has little traction and he can just wait it out if he wants.", "1000 Netflix employees currently on strike, for starters...", "That’s a great fuckin bit. Never seen that before. Thanks yo!", "So wait... are you saying because he's still IN THE FILM he wasn't removed from advertising.\n\nHe litterally was. \n\nMaybe not in clips FROM THE FILM HE IS IN.\n\nBut from editable media he was.", "100% this. Fuck your feelings. Too much focus on trying to make literally everyone happy. Never gonna happen. This culture is doomed.", "Sorry buddy. Maybe one day you'll understand trans folk are just regular ol' people. Or you'll just die off like every bigot.", "This could just as easily be about the fact that he made fun of her for not being funny.\n\nAgain, it's disgusting to prop up a dead woman and put words in her mouth.", "Suing for prejudice?", "They’re using advertisers and “corporate interests” as a weapon against those they don’t like by being a loud minority. Yeah, nothing thing to see here, Twitter isn’t a real place and the Bible isn’t true so it can’t harm anyone.", "i kinda like it. reminds me of early youtube, where the \"big\" creators just went back and forth arguing in videos.", "My man, you typed up way too much. I don’t have time to read all you wrote but I’m sure I agree with much of it. My comment was simply in response to the OPs wording “according to the LGBT community themselves”. My issue was solely with the fact that OP implied these activists represent the greater LGBT community.", "I watched his special and I didn’t mind it, but dude has to get over his messiah complex. At what point did the “I’m Rick James bitch” guy become black Jesus? Just put out a statement and talk w some trans people on instagram and work on some other material.", "A Dave Chappelle special wouldn't be front page news if it was just more of \"Killing them Softly\"", "When they draw a cartoon of Mohammed it's freedom of speech but when a comedian makes a joke about some lowlife trans woman who ran someone over and got away with it, everyone loses their mind. Fuck these people and their dumbass views.\n\nEdit: To be clear, I'm a Muslim and I give 0 fucks about the cartoon that was drawn as it literally has 0 effect on my life. But the double standards are all too apparent.", "> What does \"ONLY\" stand for? Did you mean \"only\"?\n\nFor fuck's sake literally nobody on the internet doesn't know that all-caps is emphasis/shouting, not a fucking acronym/initialism.\n\nYou'd be a little more believable, even as a novelty account, if you weren't so fucking stupid.", "Nah, that’s called social consequences. You asked earlier if Dave should just shut up and take his cancellation. Should people just shut up when they’re offended? I’m not saying whether or not I agree. \n\nI’m simply just stating he needs to stop self-victimizing. For someone that talks so much about others being so sensitive he surely can’t take some criticism.", "You're not upset about this happening all of a sudden.\n\nYou're upset that the people who get to have a say in what's \"high risk\" are no longer some media gatekeepers, but Joe Schmoe.\n\nThe problem isn't that \"there is this giant wooden mallet that can be used to bonk people\", but rather \"oh no, the filthy poors have gotten their hands on the giant wooden mallet and might bonk us!\" \n\nWe don't solely control the mallet anymore, waaah! The free market giving people what they want is bad now, because I don't like what the people like! Corporations maximizing their profits!? Waaaah!", "If i would do a comedy skit consisting entirely about racist jokes about black people i wouldn't be a bigot because it's comedy?", "Exactly", "Justine Sacco is an example of someone who was truly \"cancelled\".", "The left have been cancelling longer than that even. I remember this stuff starting years ago. It really kicked off in a big way about 6 years ago, in particular at universities, but I could easily point to other examples from before that.\n\nToday you can deplatform the most powerful man in the world and people still say that cancel culture doesn't exist, and that nobody is trying to silence anyone.", "Would it be ok to explicitly exclude transgender people?", "I wish you were on a stage so I could boo you. Fucking awful \"joke\".", "Dave's a clever guy. He's witty and insightful, but his new comedy routine feels more like a sermon from that one uncle that thinks he knows better than everyone. It's like 10% jokes, 10% whining about being \"\"\"cancelled\"\"\" and 80% social commentary. And I don't want social commentary from an extremely wealthy man, who hasn't had to worry about much for the last couple of decades.", "The trans community doesn't really seem to have a sense of humor...", "Netflix knows more than anyone else what their viewers want. They’re not gonna pull one of their biggest money-makers due to minority of complaints from a group that is itself a minority. The controversy around The Closer has already paid for itself and is generating them millions of additional revenue. If you still like Dave, I wouldn’t be too worried…", ">\"They canceled J.K. Rowling – my God,\" Chappelle says. \"Effectually she said gender was a fact, the trans community got mad as (expletive), they started calling her a TERF.\" \n\n>\"[I'm Team TERF.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/tv/2021/10/05/dave-chappelle-terf-defends-j-k-rowling-netflix-special/6002017001/) I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact.\"", "Dave Chappelle is playing Madison Square Garden Thanksgiving week\n\nOh yeah his career is COOKED.", "Ah the classic America is the World. \n\n>We’re not even going to talk about other countries.\n\nhttps://www.mygwork.com/en/my-g-news/trans-rights-around-the-world", "Didn't you see and hear the video? he litteraly says movie studios don't deal with him, he's being un-invited, etc...", "The second half of your comment is correct.\n\nPeople have been trying to cancel things they find offensive since capitalism became a thing. And Dave himself says Twitter isn't a real place.", "Yeah. I mean jeeze look how many of his tour dates are cancelled already: \n\nhttps://www.ticketmaster.com/dave-chappelle-tickets/artist/803682", "Dave Chappelle helped make black/minority marginalization digestible for every community via comedy; I’d think he’s trying to do the same with the trans community.", "Most of the people bitching are not trans rather they are upper middle class white chicks", "I think that was a joke.", "> I'M BEING CANCELLED\n\nafter a couple more million...\n\n> GUYS FOLKS ARE RUINING COMEDY AND ARE TRYING TO CANCEL ME\n\nChappelle's act has turned into exactly like every two bit conservative hack.", "Yeah, the jokes suck, I think all his jokes suck.", "Umad bro", "One smack. Two smacks. Two smacks! Ahh ahh ahh ahhhhhh", "Are you actually dumb or just pretending?", "You mean to tell me that “hundreds and hundreds of people are being deplatformed”? This is a major humanitarian crisis. Send in UN peacekeepers.", "Money means you cant have a say?!?!", "Falling on your sword by being paid millions by Netflix, nice gig", "Man I was at this show last night and you’re exactly right. He kept saying he was going to do an encore to address this issue. I should’ve just left. It was a madhouse to get out of Bridgestone. I didn’t need to wait to listen to him throw stones back at whatever this is. I didn’t need to be a part of it.", "If you don't like my comment, why reply to it? People are obviously responding to it. If you don't have any interest, just don't pay attention.", "Are you saying twitter is real life?", "I actually do think comedians should get a pass for this sort of shit.\n\nHear me out.\n\nComedy is no different than any other art and as a result should come with some protections. I don't want to live in a world where art (in any form) is discouraged because it will offend or upset.\n\nI want artists, be it comedians, actors, play writers, muscians, etc. to be able to push that bondary in any direction they want.", "So, he got paid- paid to do his job? \n\nWho would have thought!", "This is true, but it's constantly referred to as a negative thing for suppressing minority communities and unpopular content when it's done against LGBT+ or black media and content that some groups might find immoral. Why argue now that it's not a big deal, because it happens to be private companies doing what they want? Especially when a lot of private companies get railroaded by a single employee's actions to the point where they end up firing those employees rather than argue with the internet. \n\nWe have companies like Nestle putting off the UN mandates that they stop child slavery like I put off studying until the last minute, but nobody better dare step on the rainbow flag, or their company is going to have protesters storming into corporate meetings. I don't care who people fuck, or what they do with their bodies, but talk about first world problems. We as a species seem to be so intent on being miserable and dragging others down with us that we are inventing reasons to be offended, and ways to take that offense out on anyone within reach, regardless of whether it achieves a goal or not.", "Yes and do you think that it's a good thing that this attitude is absolutely rife throughout our culture now? That we should silence everyone we don't like?\n\nDo you think it's right that Dave Chappelle should be silenced for what he said? Do you seriously think that what he said is anything remotely close to the standard of deserving cancellation? Can you tell me one thing he said that makes you think that these people are at all warranted?\n\nThe media seems to think they are warranted. Lots of people are saying they think he's transphobic. Why? What exactly is it? Because I think this is pretty god damn fucking important, because we're talking about a man who said things that are so basic, and so commonly shared as beliefs by the vast majority of people on earth that if Dave Chappelle can't say \"everyone had to pass through the legs of a woman\" without that being grounds for cancellation then I'd say society has a major fucking problem on it's hands. Wouldn't you?\n\nWe're talking about the basic ability to speak the truth as we see it. To report the facts that our senses experience.\n\nBecause what I see is Dave Chappelle having shows cancelled, and a huge effort being made for him to be silenced, and I don't see a single good reason for it.", "Creep sure. Illegal no", "I obviously have interest, I responded. I just find it a weird take, which is what I responded to.", "No, but it means I'll find you less relatable.", "But he already said his peace in the friggin special. Now he responding to the response of the response - half the people who paid money to his a comedy show probably don't even know what hes taking about.", "He's free to say whatever he wants to say. And everybody else is free to criticize him for it. Everybody else is free to take their money elsewhere. \n\nI'm not sure how you made all those assumptions about me based off of my comment here though. Seems pretty outlandish.", "You must’ve missed the internet for the last week.", "He knows how much this publicity is helping the trans community and he is obviously a supporter of it based on the story of his friend from the recent special. He truly is one of the greats of our time.", "That last part is what I do all the time. Ego is a hell of a drug. \n\nAlthough sometimes I feel like I have to reframe my argument cuz I know I’ll think of something better in the shower 30 mins later. I just need to buy sometime lol", "Maybe he should try being funny though? \n\nI watched his last special and was pretty blown away at how bad and nonsensical his material towards the lgbt community was and how much time he spent advocating for homophobia and sexual assault via his \"canceled\" friends Kevin hart and Louis ck. \n\nHe really gave off out of touch old man yelling at a cloud vibes which was a shame because half of the special was quite good - the other half was apallingly bad. \n\nI didn't bother watching his latest special bc I could tell he was trending towards getting worse and apparently I was right. \n\nPeople need to realize that no one would be on his case if his jokes about the lgbt community where actually funny or insightful", "John Gruden got fired to distract from the fact that Dan Snyder literally sex trafficked cheerleaders and the NFL isn't going to do a damn thing about it.", "Over 700 people agree with my comment. /shrug", "Its creepy as fuck. I'm 43 and while 18 year old girls are beautiful they may as well be kindergarteners, I don't know how a man could feel good about that. Over Twice her age", "Cancel Culture is new-age boycotting, yes, but it IS a thing, and no it is not simply people crying because they're \"not allowed to get away with shitty behavior anymore\". \n\nBack in the day, you chose to boycott something and you'd go and do just that. Boycotters would pass out fliers, spread the word and hold rallies trying to convince others to boycott as well, but that was about it. \nNowadays people make up stories, make phone calls to people in power and call in favors, run people's name through the mud, go years and years back into people's past to dig up dirt that has nothing to do with anything, publicize private and personal information, etc., all in the name of brute-forcing the canceling of people's careers and livelihoods. Its not enough to get them to quit their shitty behavior, that's no longer the goal with Cancel Culture; the goal is to make it so the target can no longer make a living and gets ousted by society.", "He’s a modern day philosopher it’s his job to do exactly that.", "Damn, only ever seen James Acaster on Taskmaster, didn't know he was actually super fucking cool", "Or just don’t watch if you can’t appreciate what he is saying.", "These criticisms have literally ended careers for less. He should speak out against it.", "I don't know what you're talking about? I'm not defending homophobes in comment sections on the internet. I'm talking about people trying to prevent other people from being able to view content they want to view.", ">Especially when the cancel movement is just lying about someone’s position as they are with him.\n\nFunny you say that considering that he was lying a lot on stage in order to make his points...\n\nBelieve it or not, people ignored the Dababy shooting because it was being investigated as self-defense (which he failed to mention), J.K. Rowling said a lot more than just \"gender is a biological fact\" that caused people to get upset with her, and there's absolutely no evidence of widespread hate on Twitter for his friend Daphne when she defended him.\n\nIn fact, like 6 people replied to that Tweet before she killed herself, none of which were negative, and she killed herself a month and a half after that Tweet, not a few days like he claimed. And she didn't say a single thing that indicated this \"Twitter hate\" had anything to do with her decision.\n\nSo, why exactly should people take anything he's saying with face value when he purposely lied on stage in order to justify what he was saying? I mean, when you start lying about why someone killed themselves in order to justify shitting on a group of people, that crosses a line.", "-r/videos subreddit disgruntled-", "Seinfeld is not funny Dave is", "Anyone who can do a live show and sell tickets is usually okay. What I find interesting is the guys who really got canceled and deserved it are all people who literally can’t work anymore. It’s good to see.\n\nAlthough I’ll admit I really miss Louie directing and writing for major studios.", "Chapelle doesn't need normal channels though, he could self publish and it would do great.", "He's not dating them for their personalities, that's for sure.", "So do you just think everyone over the age of 40 is a boomer??", "I just have to point out the irony of the not getting comedy that just occured.", "What’s really going on is sometimes the people deserve it and sometimes they don’t. \n\nI don’t understand why it has to be an absolute for all these commentators.", "This is a strawman - people are in fact critiquing the content of his special - maybe read their arguments and present your own counter arguments instead of relying on your feelings.", "Um.... he made his bones on weed and dookie jokes. Bring it down a notch. Haha.", "That's why Bill Burr has really become my favorite active comedian. He talks about cancel culture and all this social media static not existing and that there are things that matter way more to get upset over.", "Why do you Americlaps fucking cheer everything? \"It started with the death of George Floyd\" WOO YEAH \\whistles\\ \\applause\\", "That's a poor bias to have, ideas should not be molested by personal bias.", "technically Goodell wasn't his boss when he sent that email, but fuck gruden I don't shed a tear for him", "my view on it is that it lowers the quality of the comedy, not because it's too politically or socially relevant, but because he seems to be breaking character in a sense to react as if he has been hurt by this. if he should respond to this stuff in the way that he has been doing thus far he'd be best doing it online and not at shows that people pay to see that should be more about comedy than debate", "Yeah, he’s definitely overrated, but pales in comparison to the king: Jay Leno.", "All the they's", "Im not American, but considering Dave Chappelle is, it’s pertinent.\n\nhttps://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/jun/14/us-trans-transgender-deaths-2021\n\nhttps://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/15/politics/anti-transgender-legislation-2021/index.html\n\nWeird how that’s happening to people who have been accepted huh? Even weirder how Dave says he’s a TERF, (someone who doesn’t accept them)\n\nYou’re just flat out wrong, pal. There is so much work to be done in accepting trans people.", "Dude loves cancel culture. Can't shut up about how annoying it is to him that celebs that do shitty things are treated shitty when they know fully well that they sit in a very privileged spot in the public eye. Ever since he dropped that phrase on stage people are just like, \"you know what? Yeah! Those rich celebs deserve better than to be treated thus way! People shouldn't be so mean to celebrities! Won't someone think of the celebrities?!\"\n\nNoone deserves celebrity. No one is entitled to a lifetime of fame and people only talking nice about them. In a society that way overvalues fame, should it be any surprise that people in the public eye should be seen as less savory in the eyes of the public when they do unsavory things? The masses sure overreact to some things, but we've spent a century overreacting to celebrities. I see what Dave calls \"cancel culture\" as \"what the fuck did you expect living your life in front of everyone on the planet\" or in many cases \"yeah, we don't need to keep that person in the club of people we obsess over anymore, they fucked up and I'm probs not gonna stop seeing that fuck up in them for some time.\"\n\nIt sucks how Dave has turned from master of taboo comedy into just another comedian who gets up on stage and bitches about how they can't tell jokes anymore because people get offended. OK, if you can't tell jokes, don't tell them. If people like your jokes, just keep telling the jokes. Plenty of uncles showing up to Thanksgiving bitching about the same shit because their jokes are dated, or they just aren't funny anymore. I've heard comedy is a hard profession. We don't need to keep laughing just because we liked their old shit. If they ain't got the goods, get them off stage.\n\nAs for \"cancel culture\", we now live in a world where celebrities no longer have a one way conversation to us. Everyone can join the conversation now. People who gained fame and fortune based on the old system are pissed because democracy is dirtier and harder than 24/7 fanmail. People in power will not turn their backs on the system that put them in a place of power. Same reason people in power hate when the masses speak out. Choosing a life in front of the crowd might appear appealing until they close the curtain on you once the crowd has spoken.", "He seems like a figure in a Greek tragedy: his obsession with critics leads him down a path of continually responding to critics, but in doing so, he is drawing upon himself more and more criticism. \n\nAll he has to do is let it go, but he can't stop putting fuel on the fire. He can't just not be right about it. And thus, he gives those which he despises more power over him. He'd claim they suck his energy, but really his ego gives it to them.", "I just want normal jokes again", "You mean like all the people throwing a fit and demanding Marvel not have LGBT characters?\n\nLike those people?", "he hasn’t been silenced \n\nOkay he has but there is nothing wrong with that \n\nWell which is it?", "Has anyone mentioned yet that the employees didn't demand that his film be removed?", "You really going to be that dense?\n\nYou think living in a culture where we create a climate of paralysing fear over speaking our minds honestly is a good thing? In case you didn't notice, everyone seems to hate each other now because we don't actually talk to each other, or know what our opposition actually thinks.\n\nCulture is in a major crisis, and you don't understand how dangerous the repression of speech is if you are happy to see mass censorship, and self censorship taking place, and communities living in fear of sharing their opinions with their neighbours or individuals being afraid of sharing their opinions with their own families because debate has become so toxified. If you don't understand how this is contributing to that and want to support the deplatforming of people like Dave Chappelle then you deserve the world that's coming.", "So you miss when he was insightful and funny? And spoke truth to power? \n\nSame. \n\nHe had moments of it on his last special but an alarming amount of times when he actively came to the defense of abusers and bigots - and the endless whining about cancel culture. \n\nSeems a lot of his fans don't want to admit it - but chapelle has become out of touch and tone deaf as he's become the man in power", "Explain to me how comedians aren’t modern day philosophers then", "> My issue was solely with the fact that OP implied these activists represent the greater LGBT community.\n\nAnd my response (which really is not that much to read; it's three paragraphs) was that the organizations that *do* represent the greater LGBT community have already chimed in, and are unanimous in their support for the \"activists\" and their opposition to the things Chappelle has said about trans people.\n\nThe fact that you don't pay attention to those organizations doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means you don't really listen to the trans community.", "The only people that ARE saying he's been silenced are the people that are defending him, so I'm not sure where you got these two options.", "JK Rowling as well tbh. \n\nHer takes are awful but she actually reasons them with words and I wish more people would critique her actual reasoning because I think there's a lot of fascinating shit to unpack with her weirdness", "I disagree with your idea of popularity. There's plenty of controversial stuff that gets people \"cancelled\" yet is not even unpopular, all because loud political minorities. Plus \"cancelled\" is such a new term, few years ago it was just \"caused controversy\", remember you can win the US presidency while \"cancelled\"...", "His last special was starting to be weirdly pro-sexual abuse and anti trans", "Society is more than just America, which, as you know, totally not being an American, is an incredibly backwards country.", "Her joke was good but i would say it’s just different. I’d also add she kinda plays the victim card there for cheers which I think is kinda hacky. \n\nShe is great don’t get me wrong tho. I love her.", "Yeah, Dave might make it through. But Dave is one of the most famous and well respected comedians in the world. How many people smaller than him do you think could do the same? You have to be ultra rich, famous, and respected, and practically considered the GOAT before you can just about get away with saying... well what? What the fuck did he say that was so bad?\n\nDo you see the problem? He said virtually nothing, yet he's having shows cancelled, and he's the biggest comedian in the world. How much power do you have to have to say so little? And where does that leave everybody else?", "I completely disagree with this take. The only way to know what's right is to simply talk it out. Over time we do find what's truthful and good for our society, and that's done through having discussions. \n\nEngaging in controversy, conversationally speaking, is an opportunity to refine your stance. It's an opportunity to learn how the opposition thinks, and its an opportunity to change someone's mind.\n\nYour position is controlling and slightly dictatorial. I don't know what country you live in, but mine doesn't support this view.", "Doesn't really matter what you feel though. Morality is a fluid thing for all people, and the best that society can come up with are laws that lay out ground rules for legality.", "Starting to? \n\nDid you watch sticks and stones? He was already firmly there when he pulled out his tiny violin for Louis ck and Kevin hart", " are you implying that it’s a fucking dream or something?\n\nThe internet and Internet forums are real life, yes. This is all real. Everything you can interact with or witness in your waking moments is “real life”. Are you having a dissociative/derealization episode? \n\nThings that aren’t real: unicorns as a living animal, pocket sized rebreathers that actually function the way it does in Thunderball, Harry Potter magic, and curving bullets by swinging your arm. \n\nThings that are real: ideas, clothing, cell phones, styrofoam peanuts, Twitter and everything written read and shared on it, and the consequences thereof. \n\nSo I’m going to assume you’re actually dumb if you don’t get that.", "Millions followed guys with funny moustaches. Congratulations on their company.", "But if enough people don’t watch it they won’t make more or they’ll take it down. I think the problem is they know there isn’t enough people that don’t want to watch it. So I order to get what they want they gotta try other ways.", "> Because corporations would really bother conceding to a MINORITY. How fucking stupid are you?\n\nThe LGBT+ movement is not really popular here on machist heternormative Mexico yet companies, even through controversy, will push LGBTQ+ themes in their products, one example was Doritos.\n\nThe reason they do this is because the company is making a future investment in a view that they believe will become the norm so they would gladly absorb any losses today to \"pioneer\" a standard they believe is inevitable.\n\nFurthermore, we know that highly controversial \"cancelled\" public figures can remain untouched and even win a US presidency, meaning the controversy we see does indeed come from a statistical minority.", "I’ll let the trans community know that they’ve been accepted in society and that they don’t have to fight for their rights anymore because you said they already have been accepted. The murders and suicides should go down soon too.", "The fact that you think “whining” and “boring” are synonyms says all that needs to be said about your (lack of) intelligence.", "It's not just people on twitter getting mad. He's getting contracts cancelled over it. Yeah, he's a millionaire, blah, blah, blah...But, it is having an actual impact on him being able to distribute his documentary, which is absolutely ridiculous.", "It's wild that a person could write this and think it makes any sense", "What about them? They are doing exactly the same thing that I don't like. They're part of the problem. What are you saying? If you're trying to suggest I'm partisan on this issue you're wrong.\n\nBut the 'left' has far more cultural power and success in cancelling people than the right does. I can't think of anyone that the right has successfully cancelled, but I can think of a lot that the left has.", "Living in Ohio long enough will do that to you", "What exactly are you trying to say here? That we're not allowed to think people are pieces of shit if they don't do anything illegal? That everything legal is good and we should just let it happen? What's the alternative, that I have to force myself to be okay with it because it's not illegal, even if I disagree with the law? Take your thinking to its logical conclusion and it makes no sense whatsoever.\n\nHe is a sexual predator. He actively went after a teenager when he was over twice her age. Even if they had no physical relationship in an illegal way and waited until it was legal, that in and of itself should be alarming.\n\nFor anyone else still reading here, check out this standup lampooning Seinfeld being a sexual predator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fp8tCqwushM\n\nedit: Right on time, reddit defends millionaire creeps taking advantage of kids. Good work.", "Yes, Dave absolutely suffered consequences, but the average redditor doesn’t want to acknowledge that because they cater to the black/white worldview where if somebody disagrees with them, they’re evil bastards. I guarantee most of the people in this thread didn’t even watch the video or bother paying attention to it cause they were antsy to join the hive mind.", "Yeah. Like what’s her face getting cancelled off of the mandalorian. We won’t see a recurring character again because of some shittiness on Twitter or something. If Americans didn’t idolize and swoon over celebrities so damn much it wouldn’t be a problem. They aren’t the characters they play. If people didn’t obsess over their personal lives so much they could be whoever on off hours and a character onscreen.", ">What if you think \"Cancel Culture\" is a nonsense phrase and you just believe in reasonable consequences for people's actions?\n\nThen I'd ask you to stop willfully believing that the punishment always fits the crime. Because it clearly does not in many, many cases.", "Lol, this is exactly the response I was hoping for. Thx bb, I’m grinning ear to ear now", "Seriously. \n\nIt was wild watching his last special and seeing the most subversive comedian of my childhood becoming an old man yelling at a cloud. \n\nSo pathetic and out of touch", "It's not a \"tactic\" with ulterior motives, it's a statement of frustration of ones views not being properly dealt with. In countries where conservatives/right-wingers rule it is liberals who are the ones begging for a civil debate.", "That was zero to Hitler very quickly.", "You've put me in the odd position of having to agree with Dave.\n\nTwitter isn't a real place.\n\nThe real places are the alleys and underpasses where trans people on the margins are murdered because of societal prejudice that he is lazily defending under the pretense of intellectual bravery.\n\nIf you'd like to meet some of these real life trans people and are near Denver...I work at a community center and you can meet the legions of homeless trans teens we interact with at one of our upcoming outreach days.", "Lmaooo go protest outside Netflix", "Exactly this. I've loved all his specials till now, but he was already being whiny like 15 mins into the special. I didn't even get to the controversial part., and tbh, I don't really intend to now after all the back and forth because I'm not really in the mood to watch a comedy special in order to have a strong opinion one way or the other. \n\nI want to watch comedy to laugh and be entertained and the fact is he wasn't being funny, he was being whiny and damn dude, I don't need that energy in my life.", "So basically he's just being held accountable for his shitty material then? \n\nSorry but snowflake chapelle is not owed anything", "He sounds a little tilted. I hope he is doing ok right now.", "Where do minstrel shows fall into you're belief that comedy can't be bigoted? They absolutely can be and have.", "Matters to me what I feel. I didn't say he was a criminal just a fucking creep.", "Jeselnik was cancelled. Doesn’t surprise me that he’s trying to get one up on Dave after he’s down. People are shit sometimes.", "I'll start by saying you're obviously arguing with points I either, never said or don't agree with.\n\nThis is an obvious strawman but whatever.\n\nThe problem your missing is that the mallet hasn't changed hands at all.\n\nThe difference is that the financial interests of coporations have changed instead and HAPPEN to line up with what ever opinion you have. It might feel like you're wielding the mallet but you're not. \n\nThis is a pretty dangerous position to be in. Dancing with the devil and hoping they keep dancing with you.\n\nThe problem comes because to truly make change the marginalised need to be able to be heard in the same way as anyone else but in an enviroment where individuals can be removed or \"cancelled\" when people don't like what they hear you're creating an enviroment that isn't good for marginalised people.\n\nAs I've said below, it's nice when corporations interests line up with yours, but it's terrible when they don't.\n\n---\n\nThe problem is that people feel a bit of catharsis or justice when non marginalised people are silenced or cancelled. It's kind of nice to say \"well how does it feel to happen to you?\" without acknowledging the issue is that this process exists in the first place.", "> Doesn’t this tell you something about the movement in the current state?\n\nSpell it out for me.", "Say “I worship celebrities and can’t think for myself” without saying “I worship celebrities and can’t think for myself”\n\nu/Reddit-username_here:", "> I completely disagree with this take.\n\nOkay.\n\n> The only way to know what's right is to simply talk it out.\n\nWell, no. We have plenty of other ways of knowing what's right and what's wrong that don't involve debate.\n\n> Over time we do find what's truthful and good for our society, and that's done through having discussions.\n\nAt a societal level, that's correct. My point is that *we've already had those discussions.* Society, as a whole, already knows what's right and what's wrong when it comes to trans rights.\n\n(If it's unclear to you when we reached that point, it was when nearly every major corporation on the planet started voicing support for trans rights.)\n\n> Engaging in controversy, conversationally speaking, is an opportunity to refine your stance.\n\nWe don't need our stances any further refined.\n\n> It's an opportunity to learn how the opposition thinks\n\nWe already know how the opposition thinks.\n\n> and its an opportunity to change someone's mind.\n\nDebate is actually a terrible way to change someone's mind. These are closely-held, identity-defining personal beliefs we're talking about. When you argue against those beliefs, you almost never change them. You usually do the opposite - the beliefs become further entrenched.\n\nOnce society has moved on from a debate, there are only two meaningful ways that movement on that issue happens. First, when people have close, personal contact with the marginalized groups they are bigoted towards. When a homophobe's daughter comes out as gay, there's actually a pretty good chance that it ends up making the homophobe less homophobic.\n\nThe other way is through the old adage - One funeral at a time. The most reliable way to make social progress is for the old people opposed to that progress to die out. It takes a long, long time, but there's no arguing that it doesn't work.\n\n> Your position is controlling and slightly dictatorial.\n\nNah. It's simply reality.\n\n> I don't know what country you live in, but mine doesn't support this view.\n\nI live in the United States, and I promise you, we do.", "Dating someone who is about to be 18 is certainly on the cusp of moral wrongdoing, but it doesn't make him a sexual predator. They dated for four years.\n\nJust imagine if it were a woman dating a 17 year old instead if your moral outrage sensors get out of alignment.", "Yes thank you. This is why the special was really not good. It’s not funny. And worst then that I am getting lectured about something.", "Murders? Where?", "I wish I cared so much about something so pointless to write this much on a random reddit post.", "I won't give away any punchlines because there aren't any punchlines.", "I read that in an accent", "> His claim that nobody in the queer community has had a problem with him is desperately transparent spin and demonstrably untrue to anybody who's spent a few minutes on the internet since.\n\nWhen did he claim this?\n\nIn the video he said that \"everyone [he] knows from that community has been loving and supporting.\" I don't think that lives up to the idea that no one has a problem with him.", "He specifically said that she got a bunch of hate from the LGBTQ community for saying this, which is a complete lie. As you can plainly see, there were like 6 replies here before she committed suicide in October, none of which were negative. (Also, she killed herself a month and a half after this post, not a couple days like he claimed).\n\nSo yes, he was absolutely using a dead person who couldn't give her own side for his own gain.", ">Having a few people tweet at you because you decided to make some shitty jokes is not \"being canceled\". You're being paid millions of dollars to record a special for the biggest streaming platform in the world.\n\nthe ending kinda sounds like you expect different or more from him, as in not being himself, as in ur against in him saying what he wants", "Some Black people truly believe that they are exempt from being oppressive themselves.", ">old guard\n\n\n>Rogan, Gervaise, Chappell\n\n\nLmao", "Yeah like this applies to things other than comedy as well. 2001: A Space Odyssey is a fucking masterwork and one of my favorite movies. Yet Kubrick was a huge asshole, same with Alfred Hitchcock. Them being skillful doesn’t excuse their assholery. The Chapelle show will still be regarded as an incredibly important work of art in the comedy world. This... not so much", "Dave is approaching Joe Rogan and Brendan Schaub level of unfunny comedian.", "Ugh you’re pulling a shapiro.\n\nIf you actually checked the links I provided…\n\nBut yeah like I said you’re gonna win this argument cuz you’re pulling a shapiro. Have a good one.", "That there’s one group that can’t take a fucking joke.", "It’s not blood, it’s beet juice.", "You just said he hasn’t been silenced and they pointed out how they are trying to get him removed from Netflix. Also I might add Dave said himself in the clip that he can’t get anyone to buy his movie. But then you said well “do they have to ?” So I am confused if Dave Chappelle who is widely considered the greatest comedian of all time get his special removed is that not being silenced? And if so I would assume it’s because of this backlash not but because he isn’t funny. But if that does happen.. according to you that’s okay? \n\nSo which is it? \n\nI think you know people arenat least attempting to silence him you are just okay with it.", "> It's not a \"tactic\" with ulterior motives,\n\nSometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. Frequently, it's deployed by people with ulterior motives using people without ulterior motives to carry out the tactic.\n\n> it's a statement of frustration of ones views not being properly dealt with.\n\nI don't know what \"properly\" means, here, and I don't think you do, either.\n\n> In countries where conservatives/right-wingers rule it is liberals who are the ones begging for a civil debate.\n\nThat's the case in *all* countries. The \"proper\" role of social progressives is to demand movement, and the \"proper\" role of conservatives is to oppose it. You just aren't paying attention to liberal voices. If you were, you'd know which issues liberals are demanding a civil debate on.\n\nWhen a conservative demands a \"civil debate\" it's because society has moved on, but they haven't.", "Um.... because we already have modern-day philosophers - you should look into that. Comedians hold up a much-needed mirror to society and are important to a vibrant democracy, but let's not be silly and call them philosophers.", "The conversation is in the context of cancel culture.\n\nIt's just a counter argument to the idea that cancelling is a form of critque.\n\nWhich I think is fair given the context.", "Might not be visible in your circles but the controversy is everywhere it hurts him. Thats his point, media is “cancelling” him and his films whether or not the people actually are", "I swear to god every left-leaning person becomes the most lasseiz-faire anarcho-capitalist known to man the second that position allows them to look the other direction when the freedom that the companies in question are impinging upon is speech (especially that of their opponents).\n\n\"Oh we can't let companies stop workers from organizing!\"\n\n\"Oh we can't let companies pollute our environments!\"\n\n\"Oh we can't let companies get away without paying their fair share!\"\n\n\"Oh we can't let companies get away with bribing and capturing our government entities!\"\n\n\"Oh we can't let companies get away with selling our private data!\"\n\n\"Oh we can't let companies get away with profiting off of misinformation!\"\n\n... But we can let anyone and everyone decline to continue to serve specific clients, whether that be their business or their speech.\n\nYou know, unless it's because of their sex, sexuality, race, religion, age, veteran's status, immigration status, nationality, marriage status, chance of pregnancy, disability, or degree of skin colorism.\n\nBut if certain people in society raise a fuss? Guess it's better to listen to those people. Nevermind that people in society have done this in the past for myriad ridiculous reasons. Pretty sure the racists of a century ago were probably most of the reason for-profit businesses (who are most interested in serving as many clients as possible and could give less of a shit whose dime was spent in their store) of that era didn't serve clients they otherwise would have. I'm sure white abolitionists were canceled for having the wrong opinion at the time.\n\nBut hey, we're for the free market here in this comment's section. Apparently that's fine.", "I commented on ONE person and somehow you extrapolated that to my view on half the population?\n\nYikes. \n\nBoomer is a slang term that generally is used to refer to anyone older than you who complains about the way things have changed. Someone who can't adapt. Chappelle is often very much a boomer.", "But why is any of this bad? \n\nSome people deserve to get canceled - the backlash seems appropriate. \n\nIf a standup with chapelles cache made a whole special advocating for white supremacy people would want them canceled and Netflix wouldn't carry the content. \n\nSaying your team terf is worse imo bc being anti-trans is still way more accepted than being a white supremacist", "You're right, it was just 1 hour.", ">To be fair, the amount of time Dave spends talking about being canceled is proportional to the amount of people fighting to have him canceled.\n\nWow, what a crazy concept. The idea of a proportional response.", "I disagree with what he says, and I do think he should probably stop talking about issues he doesn't understand, but I I fully support his right to say it. I also fully support the rights of people on twitter to call him a fucking idiot. Free speech is a two way street. You can't say \"Dave should be free to say whatever he wants, but people shouldn't be free to criticize him for it\" if you believe in free speech on any level. \n \nAnd if he keeps talking about being \"canceled\" while being paid tens of millions of dollars to preform a special on the worlds largest streaming service, granting him the kind of audience and reach most people could only dream of, I'm also going to call him a jackass. \n \nDave Chappelle is a jackass.", "For real, that shit just kept going", "If I had to choose between the two things people complain about that actually do some amount of harm in this world, cancel culture or this damn special, brother I wouldn't choose the special.", "How would he feel about blackface minstrels today?\n\nhttps://mobile.twitter.com/ClassicShowbiz/status/1452062382847500291", "It's weird to think that comedy shows should be funny? And not lectures? Hmm.", "Does anyone have to assume? His comments are pretty clear saying youre team terf and celebrating rowlings transphobia aren't exactly open to interpretation. \n\nThe dude is wildly out of touch. His history as a daring insightful truth speaker doesn't shield him from being an out of touch old man punching down at oppressed people with no insight or jokes", ">Cancel culture isn't about critique but instead it's about industries being very quick to pull the trigger on things they deem high risk.\n\nReddit tells me it's just social consequences for those that deserve them, so I guess I don't know what you're talking about. Proportionality, what's that?", "You realise that Dave Chapelle saying \"I'm on team TERF\" is a deliberately ridiculous thing to say as a man? That this this was a punchline to a [joke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llE7wT1BKt8)? That there is no \"either / or\" here... ah whatever... as I type each word of this comment deep feelings of despair and pointlessness are spreading into my fingers....", "George Carlin didn't even tell jokes half the time when he was on stage at the end of his life. Those were some of his best events.", "Nah, its always funny and okay.", "I'm replying to this \n\n>You'd feel differently if people were going out of their way to obsessively find things to be offended by, and going out of their way to call companies to have the thing you like cancelled in as many places as they can. \n\nYour phrasing implies this doesn't happen. \n\nWhen, in fact, LGBT people this way PRECISELY because VERY MANY people try to dehumanize us, take our rights, and shit on us at any given chance. \n\nAnd if you don't understand that maybe you aren't qualified to comment on the matter.", "But is he possibly going along with a false dichotomy that black history and LGBT history are two separate things? He lumps himself in with white, feminist TERFS, and pretends it's all white people in the LGBT community doing performative oppression olympics.\n\n1. Black people have always had LGBT people in their demographics because it's part of the human experience.\n2. Transphobia kills, and the murder rate for trans people isn't something that fades into the background noise. This is particularly significant for trans black people.\n3. In the face of criticism, claiming most trans people you know would like your trans material, well I don't know a better word for that than tokenism. It's baffling to me, and in pretty poor taste, but that's just my opinion.\n\nChapelle frames it differently, conflates contradictory ideas, and this choice is causing a lot of overall shit. \n\n\nEdit: Norm MacDonald probably had similar views on the LGBT community and he just passed away recently, but he didn't make a point about being friendly to a community he considered \"mentally ill\". He was old school, but he said \"I like when comedy makes people laugh, not makes people clap\". \n\n\nChapelle is already a multimillionaire and is ranting to make contrarians clap. Be funny, remember when he was funny? Now he just sounds like he's transposed the white boomer anti-black racism to a paradigm he can't be bothered to be curious about. It's kinda crazy to watch from the mind who created Clayton Bigsby, like oh you're so close! You helped so many people understand the cognitive dissonance of racial bigotry but now we have to hear you center yourself on the legitimacy of other groups' prejudice just because it's on an axis you haven't lived on, and now you say you can't learn? C'mon, dude. Enjoy your $60 million dollars, I guess.", ">\"I just want a civil debate!\" is a common tactic of conservatives/right-wingers.\n\nI'm pretty sure it's the tactic of the cultural underdog. If you had lived in the years a few decades prior, you might have remembered a time when political correctness was on the other foot, and people on the left had to fight not to be shut down for being anti-christian, or anti-america, or for being viewed as obscene and immoral.\n\nBut now that the shoes on the other foot, each side is more than willing to change roles as is appropriate. The powerful enjoy lording over those less powerful than them, regardless of which political side it is at any given moment.", "It seems what he was trying to hand wave valid critique by claiming as a member of a marginalized group it was impossible for him to be an oppressive force to another group", "Chill bro", "He can, but he shouldn't. Anyone can try to be Joe Rogan, but you can count on one hand the number of comedians who have ever been close to as funny as Dave Chappelle was back when he did comedy.", "I have litterally no idea if it's new.\n\nMaybe before it was letters and phone calls.\n\nI suspect it's just always been something we've do.\n\nI do know there is that trope of angry housewives calling the radio station because the beatles played or something so I guess it's always been a thing.", "When does he become funny again?", "You make it sound like 18 years old isn't old enough to go kill kids in vietnam.", "Is this for real? I googled it to see if it was copypasta.\n\nWhat a strange anecdotal account to happen upon, someone meeting Jerry Seinfeld in a back office in the early 80s with a wild story to tell on top of it.\n\nNot to say I don't believe you, but strange to see this random story just out there.", "Miss the day's this Guy did actually funny stuff.", ">\"Cancel culture\" is just another way of saying \"my views are unpopular and I'm facing consequences\".\n\nI'd say it's more akin to the old style of dealing with petty theft... by cutting the thief's hand off.\n\nNowadays we can recognize wrong-doing without jumping to the worst possible conviction. But no, every infraction is the worst evil known to mankind. No mercy, no forgiveness.\n\nFor Christ's sake, at least the fundamentalist Christian's believe in the concept of God's mercy. Nowadays, you fuck up, you're damned. Ain't no forgiveness for transgression. J K Rowling could zip her mouth for the rest of her damn life and she will forever be condemned.", "quite drunk but said it", "So many hurt feelings.", "Or \"why are you so offended\" when you're not offended, you just disagree with it.", "There are people very specifically trying to go out and get him off of platforms by pressuring the studios. That’s the specific goal of the Netflix walkout is to get him off the platform. That’s pretty straightforward cancel culture.", "People are trying to get his work removed from platforms. That's not them choosing not to support him; they're trying to prevent others from enjoying and supporting him.\n\nYou are allowed to put your fingers in your ears if you want. But don't you damn put your fingers in my ears. I have every right to condemn those who would attempt such a thing.", "You can't take anything Chapelle says at face value, especially if it's about his critics. This predates cancel culture too. I saw him one of his first shows after his hiatus and half his set was just complaining about his previous audience who booed him because he was high and incomprehensible.", "It is a contradiction to repeatedly demand a conversation that he feels isn't being had while standing alone on stage where no one else can speak and then taking no meaningful steps to bring that actual conversation about.", "Don’t worry. If people do indeed get tired of his responses to critics, his material will change to match what people want.\n\nOr he’ll disappear.\n\nIt all works out in the end.", "At this point this is just grifting off of reactionaries", "Society as a whole? When the fuck did that happen? I don’t think you understand how many people aren’t on the trans train. You really think major corporations advocating for trans rights is the stepping stone? What a crock of shit. You’re a mouthpiece for Democratic Party propaganda. This isn’t a corporatocracy, yet, but I’ll bet you’d love that. Like, I swear to god you’re in high school if that’s what you think of debate. If society as a whole agreed upon it, where the fuck are their rights or the destruction of gender as a social norm? You are so god damn ignorant it hurts to know your vote is equal to mine. And I’m for trans rights.", "I checked the links you shared. But they don't have any specifics and instead rely on anonymous reports and hearsay, which isn't really evidence for murder. And even then, it's based solely in the US, a single country in a vast world where identity and acceptance are not nearly as divisive. \n\nMy points are is that modern society, as a majority globally, has accepted trans identity, and it's mostly in the US where this acceptance is grossly argued. \n\nAlso how am I pulling a shapiro? if I was pulling a shapiro, I'd do what you're doing now. Misrepresenting what the other person is saying, pretending that they're saying something else and then promptly get upset, namecall and leave, lmao.", "They're trying to prevent the people who would support him from being able to. That's why people want the special removed. It's not enough for them to not watch it. They insist that others shouldn't be able to watch it either.", "You're still giving them money.", "If a comedy special is “more of a social statement” that isn’t funny at all then that sucks IMO. He has made some of the funniest standup specials I’ve seen, and he also killed the times I’ve seen him live so I expect more from him.", "its what you gotta do after being a bully. Be present but wrap around being nicer. cmon man", "Holy moly who even caaaaares. People have a right to express their displeasure towards a guy as much as you have a right to defend him. Netflix has a right to keep his specials up, or take them all down, as much as distributors and festivals have the right to distribute or exhibit his film, or not. No one is dying out here. No one is owed anything. Y’all are all drama queens.", "Maybe my idea doesn't line up with most peoples but I've personally always made a distinction between \"cancelling\" and boycotting.\n\nIn my opinion:\n\nCanceling is the idea that a higher up entity will remove someone from a position as a result of some controversy.\n\nBoycotting is the idea that people just ignore/ don't buy things they don't agree with.\n\nI've always seen cancelling as coming from those in power to protect those in power where as boycotting is simply the market being the market.\n\nI know this is all very abstract but it's the only way it makes sense to me.\n\nThe issue comes when peoples opinions line up with the financial insentives of those in power. Cancelling isn't moral, it's just the protection of financial interest and I believe just because it happens to line up with certain peoples views AT THE MOMENT, people are deluding themselves into thinking cancelling is a moral good.\n\nAs a result, you end up with these complex issue where some people are arguing the morality of allowing higher ups to bring the hammer down on people, and others arguing about the morality of whether of not said people should have had the hammer brought down on them.\n\nHopfully I've cleared up what I'm trying to say, sorry if I havn't.", "Lol what? Those are the potential patrons of the place you idiot.", ">but because the entire point of it was that black people are bigger victims than LGBTQ+ people. The entire thing was him saying \"my race has had it worse than your gender/sexuality\".\n\nI agree. I never liked that he made the commentary on race. But I still find him funny. And that's all that I expect of him. In the same way I can agree with his LGBT takes I can disagree with his race take. And that's okay, because at the end of the day, I can enjoy the jokes, learn to laugh at it, and then turn off the TV and believe whatever I want to believe.\n\nAnd I expect others to be able to do the same.", "> I'm pretty sure it's the tactic of the cultural underdog.\n\nIt is, but it's used for intellectually honest reasons by social progressives.\n\n> If you had lived in the years a few decades prior, you might have remembered a time when political correctness was on the other foot, and people on the left had to fight not to be shut down for being anti-christian, or anti-america, or for being viewed as obscene and immoral.\n\nThat's correct, because we hadn't yet had that debate. That discussion had not yet taken place.\n\nYou're agreeing with me. You just don't realize it.\n\n> But now that the shoes on the other foot, each side is more than willing to change roles as is appropriate. The powerful enjoy lording over those less powerful than them, regardless of which political side it is at any given moment.\n\nNah, this is just fashionable cynicism. It doesn't reflect the reality of political movements.", "That doesn't make someone a sexual predator.", "The next special will be about how everyone is telling him to let it go and how he won't let it go.", "If you get to this post, forreal: fuck all these comments. They don't reflect actual public sentiment and you're not crazy for thinking, \"wait, what am I reading?\"\n\nIn the same way that reddit would have had you believe that Bernie Sanders was a landslide to win the Democratic nomination in 2020 (my vote btw), all the top comments here reflect a reality that only exists in this particular echo chamber. Dave Chappelle is an important figure and the number of people who voluntarily watched his Netflix specials reflect how many people fuck with his opinions.\n\nIf you want to feel that this is all hullabaloo and random guy with 1000 upvotes who says, \"he's only doing this to respond to his critics\" has the actual pulse on public opinion, well, you can live in that world but you're wrong.\n\nIn all of his Netflix specials to date, he has made some pretty gross jokes about Michael Jackson, R. Kelly, and the rape of children. I think it perfectly reflects the state of the environment that only the trans jokes are what have him in hot water.\n\nThe world is insane right now. Don't get caught up thinking reddit reflects actual public opinion.", "Rowling is a TERF though so... \n\nShe can deny it all she wants but she literally started her whole crusade because she wants trans identities excluded from the term woman and tried to advocate for intentionally misgendering trans women. \n\nShe also thinks giving trans women rights empowers men to sexually assault afab people", "Wow, turns out no one is an authority over their community. But people will always find tokens to point to on any given side of any given issue. Anything that confirms their pre-existing beliefs.\n\nIt's the whole reason why \"listen to the lived experiences of marginalized groups\" is so ridiculous. Whose experiences exactly? Cause they sure as fuck ain't a monolith.", "There’s nothing to talk about. There is a community that thinks they are above comedy as an art form. They are incorrect. No one gets a free pass.", "In fact you can be banned for expressing any gender-critical beliefs in many subreddits. Speaking from experience. Difference of opinion is forbidden.", "Both of his last specials. Are you dumb?", "Yeah, you have good points. I can be down with this.", "There's a hierarchy of groups that are more-to-less acceptable to offend. Turns out the Jews ain't that high on the list, relatively speaking.", "It’s not about getting a pass, it’s about not being a rigid little turd about everything. Not being able to make jokes about certain topics only makes life way more boring and serious for no reason. And at the end of the day, they’re comedians trying to make people laugh. They’re not trying to push any agendas except that dark humor is not bad at all.", "FACTS. Also his trans and LGBTQ material is some of his weaker stuff. Not the best choice to dedicate most of his latest special to it.", "> He is a sexual predator. He actively went after a teenager when he was over twice her age. Even if they had no physical relationship in an illegal way and waited until it was legal, that in and of itself should be alarming.\n\nYou can be alarmed about it if you wish. We don't have to be. And it doesn't fit the definition of \"sexual predator\":\n\n[A sexual predator is a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically \"predatory\" or abusive manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to \"hunt\" for his or her sex partners. ... The term \"sexual predator\" is often used to refer to a person who habitually seeks out sexual situations that are deemed exploitative.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_predator)", "When this guy speaks, everyone listens. He has a profound sense of self awareness. Master craft status.", "Right - the Netflix CEO all but literally spat in the faces of their trans employees by standing with Dave", "[Sexual predator](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_predator) \n \n >A sexual predator is a person seen as obtaining or trying to obtain sexual contact with another person in a metaphorically \"predatory\" or abusive manner. Analogous to how a predator hunts down its prey, so the sexual predator is thought to \"hunt\" for his or her sex partners. People who commit sex crimes, such as rape or child sexual abuse, are commonly referred to as sexual predators, particularly in tabloid media or as a power phrase by politicians.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "It’s not a comedy video numbnuts. This isn’t r/funny. He was addressing the nonsense.", "James Gunn made offensive jokes, got \"canceled\", and is back working for studios.", "I don't know Jerry Seinfeld or Dave Chappelle, but based upon this comment section, I have zero doubt that if given the chance to be put in a room with them or any of you, I'm choosing them.", ">It is, but it's used for intellectually honest reasons by social progressives.\n\nSee when my team does it, we're the good guys, so it's okay. When their team does it, they are enemies, so it's not okay.\n\nIf you believe your team to be so much more \"holier than thou\", prove it. Actions speak louder than words.", "So the only comedy that's allowed is against communities who are \"due\"? And who decides what communities are \"due\"?", "So if I get up on stage, do some black face and say I'm team white supremacist - should black people just get that its just a joke and laugh at themselves? \n\nWhy is black face even taboo? Why can't black people just laugh at themselves as I laugh at them while seeing their oppression carecatued for cheap laughs? \n\nPretty sure Dave would be first in line to cancel me", "Did \"The left\" cancel Betty White in 1954 for having a black tap dancer on her show? \n\nDid \"The left\" blackball anyone accused of being a commie in showbiz?\n\nDid \"The left\" try to make Lucille Ball hide her pregnancy because it was \"offensive\" to imply a MARRIED COUPLE had sex?", "Or standing up for free speech when it’s being threatened. The fact that someone speaking their mind is now viewed as “trying to get canceled” shows the state of the world we live in.", "Yea that’s good to see cuz he didn’t deserve it.\n\nI’m talking about guys that fucking raped people and molested under age people. I don’t think a tweet that didn’t age well is a very good reason to lose ones career. We all have said things in our past that I am sure we regret.", "Boycotting is a wonderful practice. People don't believe in boycotts anymore. They believe in cutting off access to businesses and media to those people who would be otherwise unwilling to boycott with them.", "Dayton did not make the list for the live showings. Three locations in Ohio though.", "Don't forget - Chapelle doesn't think Louis should've even been canceled bc the women could've just left", "But the issue is you think his career SHOULD be cooked.\n\nIt's like you're standing outside someone's workplace shouting that they should be fired for being a racist, and when they complain about it you said \"LOL don't worry bro they aren't actually going to fire you so you're good.\"", "If Gunn came back and went right back to what he was doing I think its insane that people think Dave might actually get cancelled without even doing anything illegal.", "No I don't. I am defending the right of people to have opinions about things.\n\nIf you can find a comment I made in this thread where I said Dave should never perform again I'd love to see it.", "He definitely could. You’re not gonna see Shane Gillis on any network shows sitcoms or feature length comedies. He didn’t do anything illegal. Sure they can both sell tickets so they won’t lose everything but that’ll be it for them. Anything else they want to do in their genre will be essentially closed off to theM.", "That's not really personal bias, it makes sense that someone with a lot of money would have a very different set of problems from me.", "> Society as a whole? When the fuck did that happen?\n\nI literally *just* told you:\n\n> (If it's unclear to you when we reached that point, it was when nearly every major corporation on the planet started voicing support for trans rights.)\n\nIf you're ever wondering, \"Wait, when did society decide this was okay?\" the answer is almost always, \"When major corporations put it in ads.\"\n\n> I don’t think you understand how many people aren’t on the trans train.\n\nI have a very solid understanding of it. In 2019, a study found that 62% of Americans were more supportive of trans rights than they were five years prior. Support for trans rights as a whole is somewhere around 60%. More importantly, that 60% also contains the people who matter - the ones who define culture, who spend money, who influence the next generation, who run movements, who determine the direction the country is headed.\n\n> You really think major corporations advocating for trans rights is the stepping stone?\n\nIt isn't the stepping stone. It's the barometer.\n\n> What a crock of shit.\n\nYou being upset about it is also a barometer.\n\n> You’re a mouthpiece for Democratic Party propaganda.\n\nThe Democratic Party took a while to get on board with this. I would know. I was a Democratic Party organizer back in 2007/08, when support for trans rights was not something the Democratic Party included in its national platform.\n\n> This isn’t a corporatocracy, yet, but I’ll bet you’d love that.\n\nThis is such a deeply, deeply weird thing for you to say.\n\n> Like, I swear to god you’re in high school if that’s what you think of debate.\n\nTwo of my three four-year degrees are in political science and law & society. I've worked in politics in D.C. I've worked as a campaign organizer. Most of my current career consists of strenuous argument. I've debated literally thousands of people, most of whom were more coherent than you're being right now.\n\n> If society as a whole agreed upon it, where the fuck are their rights or the destruction of gender as a social norm?\n\nTrans rights have made *gigantic* strides in the last ten years. Gender norms hold *way* less power than they did ten years ago.\n\nSocietal institutions move slowly. The civil rights debate took place in the 60's. By the end of the 70's, it was over. Society as a whole had decided that Black people deserved the same rights as white people. It's been a literal half-century since then, and we're *still* fighting against the deliberate, targeted disenfranchisement of Black people, systemic abuse of Black people at the hands of law enforcement, and a dozen other major Black civil rights concerns.\n\n*That's why it's so important that we move past \"But what about my civil debate?!\"\n\nIt takes decades* to fix these problems, even after society as a whole is on board. And every time we have to revisit old debates because some bigot demands it, fixing those problems takes longer.", "Its because you're asking a question that is easily searchable.\n\nIt's like if you started asking \"where even are the bars in Utah?\" Well the answer can be solved with a simple internet search and we know you have internet because that's where you posted it. People are left thinking that either you're making a point about alcohol and Utah, or you're an idiot. So they are actually giving you the benefit of the doubt when they assume you're trying to make a point.", "Best joke of the special right there!\n\nThe only thing he was complaining about was people speaking.", "Dave isn't Shane Gillis\n\n>Anything else they want to do in their genre will be essentially closed off to them.\n\nI mean I literally just cited someone that returned to the top of the industry. Dave isn't going anywhere.", "My extremely conservative parents are all of a sudden huge Dave chappel fans.", "Dave said in the clip he’s having trouble getting his movie sold. It definitely could happen.", "I'll do my best to keep my opinions out of this and just detail what happened during his special:\n\nDave Chappelle's Jokes have never really been quick one-liners, especially since his return. They are more of stories, comments on life, and dialogue about human experiences. They have always been very heavily centered on topics relating to black society, especially the struggle that community faces today.\n\nIn a section of his special, which arguably stirred the most controversy, was when he said that he was 'team TERF'.\n\nTERF is an acronym that stands for trans-exclusionary radical feminist. It's a minority subset of feminism that believes that trans women are not women or/and that trans women rights do not align with woman rights. To which he agreed with the second part and not the former part. Saying that, \"I'm not saying trans-women are not women.\"\n\nEarlier in the special he said that by the definition of the word he was a feminist. He said that the definition was, \"A human being that believes in equal rights for women\" to which he agreed.\n\nHe made several jokes about feminists during several parts of the special. In one of the jokes he talked about how upset some non-trans females must be that Kylie Jenner, a trans female, won 'Female of the Year' during her first year of being female. He contrasted their anger with a joke that it would be like 'Eminem winning N-word of the year.'\n\nThrough out the entire special, Chappelle speaks about black rights and the struggle that black people face. During the 'team TERF' section of the special, in essence, Chappelle is attempting to say that trans-women are women. But that their struggle for equal rights is not the same as non-trans-women's struggle for equal rights.", "Thanks. Recently my co-worker and good friend lost his job because of some bogus claims a client fabricated to avoid taking any responsibility. She played the 'I didn't take his phone calls because he harassed me when I visited your office'. I sat next to him and was there for the entire exchange. He was put on garden leave and then essentially fired. We worked at a small start-up in a regional area, any lawsuit would have cost the business its reputation and he didn't want to hurt his chances being re-hired in the area by making a bigger deal out of it. I still think about it to this day. I don't know what you call this but its becoming more common.", "I could list things the right has tried to cancel for an hour, dude. \n\nGet outta here with that.\n\n>I think it's funny that people keep harping on\n\n\"Stop bringing up evidence!\"", "I agree. I am disappointed this is the path he chose for his art. I feel like all of this belonged in a podcast and we’re still waiting for his next comedy special.", "Maybe some people think he shouldn't. \n\nDon't you have a right to question that? Why are you trying to stifle free inquiry?", "I don't think he's pretending its all white people, he's saying the only one anyone gives a flying fuck about is the white people. \n\n\nHe's also making the point that he doesn't think a lot of the people being very vocal actually speak for that community, and I think he's also pointing out that most people speaking the loudest are just cis white women. \n\n\nI think his point is honestly crystal clear, you can agree with it or not, I kind of don't agree with it, but I think everyone is misrepresenting it because they don't want to deal with what he's actually saying, because it's uncomfortable if you start to understand he's talking about white supremacy. \nSome 26 y/o white girl writer is going to have a tough time writing her HuffPo article if she acknowledges how he thinks this is comparable to blackface and how there's a strange conflict between LGBT and BLM and how the media absolutely glorified a vehemently racist wealthy republican when she transitioned. That's a lot tougher article for Becky to write than 'Chappelle is bad and he's said transpeople are icky'", "> See when my team does it, we're the good guys, so it's okay. When their team does it, they are enemies, so it's not okay.\n\nIt isn't about teams. It's the fundamental difference between social progressives and social conservatives.\n\nSocial progressives cannot do what social progressives must do without engaging in debate. It's a requirement of social movements.", "Unpopular opinion I know but I never did like his show that much. I only watched it occasionally to rarely when I was bored with nothing else to do and it was on. And even the times I did watch it he was never the funny one on the show. It was always the rest of the cast that I found entertaining.", "I found quite the opposite, the only reason I knew about it was because the new was talking about how evil his special was...about 5 days before it was released for anyone to see.", "Nobody cares about this stupid idiots crying about his special. Just move on", "His audience doesn't, but he certainly does, it is affecting every facet of his life.", "You can say fuck", "I think his contract was only for three specials, there's a chance that's the last one.", "He's an \"ephebophile\", which is \"just slightly better than being a Pedophile\"", "I like Dave Chappell. I think he’s funny. More political than I remember but still funny.", "He’s a comedian, all I need him to do is land jokes. He landed like 3 in that hour.", "Dave Chappelle is not going to get deplatformed, I think being a pretty big difference.", "Same disease that Paul was calling Eminem out on", "This is entirely wrong. Of course they concede to minorities on thousands of points, from disabled parking to minority leadership programs.", "lol", "What a childish response.", "Headlining MSG with Joe Rogan Thanksgiving week. \n\nI'm sure Joe Rogan's audience is REAAAAAAAL mad at Dave", "It’s the below 18 i get, we dont want adults dating non adults. \nBut the “twice her age” has a different connotation to it. If she’s 18 and he’s 36(if), so what? The point isn’t that it’s good or bad, the point is someone has reached 18. And has been considered to have enough adult maturity to make their decision of consent for themselves. \n\nEven a 70 year old dating a 18 year old should not bat an eye. For what we have here would be two consenting adults.", "They do if they’re white. That’s kinda Dave’s point", "Find ol kindergarteners beautiful ey?", "He's literally the black version of the angry white sportsfans saying\n\n\"SURE YOU CAN TALK ABOUT OPPRESSION, BUT DO IT MY WAY, THE WAY I WANT\" \n He goes on about how he sympathizes with LGBTQ+ community, but says he doesn't like HOW they're going about getting things done, saying they complain too much and want to cancel people, he respects the people at stonewall because they \"got shit done\" HIS way, and then he goes on to say he's team TERF which is a hugely transphobic group, and he repeats the \"joke\" that he's transphobic over and over, pretty sure it's not a joke.", "What jokes? I just remember rants", "For whatever reason this is super unpopular, but she was of legal age and they dated for like 4 years. \n\n\nYou can say you don't agree with that, but people have to stop using terminology as if people are committing sex crimes when they aren't. \n\n\nSay he's creepy, say you disapprove of the concept of consenting adults and you want new laws with higher age restrictions or whatever, but don't phrase it as if he's a sex offender then edit it to say 'Ok, well what I meant was he was in a legal consensual relationship for 4 years'", "She’s a consenting adult, he’s a consenting adult. You’re a creep for creeping into their lives. Shit wouldn’t affect you.", "Do you realize how ridiculous this makes your argument look? That you have to go back to 1954 of earlier to find examples of the right wing cancelling people. There are thousands of people being cancelled by the 'left', 'woke culture' whatever you want to call it. \n\nThere are thousands of examples of people that have lost their jobs, been fired, been deplatformed, had events cancelled, been slandered over mainstream media for having what are very commonly held views. That is what we're talking about when we're talking about cancel culture.\n\nHell even reddit has cancelled multiple subreddits of gender critical feminists.", "You cannot possibly be that dense. This entire stupid clip is about him pushing an agenda against corporate censorship.", "If everyone complaining about the special, had seen the whole special then it wouldn't have \"lost Netflix money\". At a certain point, there is a hell of a lot people commenting on something they've only seen (partially) out of context", "Jerry gives off some that \"I'm better than you\" attitude that I don't care for but he was already on the tonight show before Seinfeld and was doing pretty well as a stand up was my impression, that's the whole reason a network became interested in him to do a sitcom. Larry David's humour and show running, and the skills of all the cast and writers, are certainly a massive part of the success of Seinfeld the TV show but putting his standup into early episodes was a style decision and I don't think had anything to do with trying to showcase his stand up.\n\nYou don't have to like him or his comedy but Jerry was already doing very well in the stand up circuit, just being on the tonight show at the time was a huge success that most comics at the time would have killed for. Sure obviously he wasn't nearly as famous as after Seinfeld became popular but you're making it out like he was a nobody and Larry David plucked some struggling stand up that couldn't get a gig from total obscurity, that simply isn't true.\n\nPlus even if you don't like his style some of his bits kill me and the delivery is great when it works, part of the reason you might think his bits aren't that great is because you've now heard them 8 million times and that will kill any joke.", "No, the way you worded it. He has to be this way and everyone’s tired of him. Obviously that’s not the case.", "He’s totally earned it though. He had to put in 30 years of fantastic comedy to get to a point where he can speak his mind freely, like Carlin did. I’m sure he’ll go down in history well tbh, even if the present does seem fuzzy", "Kathleen Stock is a humanities professor. Not a psychology professor or even a medical doctor. \n\nShe has no reason to be on a college campus if she is going to be discriminatory against a certain group of students. \n\nIt would be different if the story was \"doctor does study that questions transgender\" \n\nNo, it's just \"humanities professor doesn't like trans people\"\n\nedit: She's also not \"cancelled\" she still has her job, so...", "Which is okay, but if you were then to claim that his special is transphobic, that would not be okay, since you haven't seen it and as such couldn't make that claim.", ">I'm 43 and while 18 year old girls are beautiful they may as well be kindergarteners\n\nWhile I agree to an extent, why is it that people are ok with 18 year olds being sent off to war then? Fucking someone twice their age - gross. Being killed by someone twice their age - patriotic. What?\n\nEither 18 is a fully grown adult, or it isn't. As a society, we've decided that 18 is old enough to go to war and die, so the pearl clutching over 18 year olds having sex is a bit ridiculous.", "We do, it’s just not funny when cis people punch down on us and disguise it as “humour”. There’s plenty of jokes to be made about the trans experience that aren’t shitty.", "George Carlin and Bill Hicks had about 1 joke between them. They were just not funny, their entire acts were created for people to agree with it, not laugh at it.", "Specifically?", "I largely agree with you. However I will say though that aside from attempts of getting content like this removed from Netflix, which yes is bad, there is a difference in someone saying something so horrendous that they get \"deplatformed\" off social media. Because guess what? You are not OWED a platform on social media. They are private entities and they have every right to say who can and cannot be on their platform. They have rules to be a part of that platform, and if you break those rules, you might be kicked off. \n\nI've seen also people complain, such as Jerry Seinfeld, that they were dis-invited to speak at college campuses, and they'll blame cancel culture for that. But again, agree with it or not, nobody is entitled to be able to go to a college campus and say what they want if the college does not want you there. Its their campus, their rules. Their rules might be fucked up, and if you want to talk about changing those rules, sure. \n\nThis isn't just \"he said something that offended a marginalized group so now he cannot be allowed to speak his mind on any platform\", that if you look at it, rarely happens. Cuz frankly, the one obvious name to come to mind that was deplatformed for what they said and continued to say that got them permanently banned on social media platforms is Donald Trump, and rightfully so, he is a danger to anybody listening to him and those around them. But, is he REALLY deplatformed? The man can call up Fox News anytime he wants and they will let him speak for as long as he wants. He can hold rallies, go on TV whenever he wants. He has avenues available to him if he wants to speak his pea-brained mind. He doesn't however have absolute right to be on any platform that doesn't want him.", "How can you possibly use a free speech argument when trying to get a show taken off the air?\n\nAlso Rosa Parks was protesting an awful lot more than that, let's be serious", "Sure I have the right to question it.", "Go count up every unique user you can find on reddit that is 'complaining about the special'.\n\nHow many could you find? Hundreds? Thousands? Tens of thousands?\n\nOver 9 million people watched it. You don't think it's possible that less than one percent of the viewers of the special found it offensive?", "I enjoyed it. Sucks for you.", "He also made a whole show about how CC screwed him by not paying him after selling the re-air rights to Netflix for the shows he was already paid on. Netflix paid him again to keep him happy.", "it's called sealioning\n\nedit: [context](http://wondermark.com/1k62/)", "My problem with the special is that he wasn't really making fun of LGBT folks, but rather was voicing his grievance disguised as 'comedy'. They're more attacks than jokes.", "Dave Chappelle literally quit his Comedy Central show because, among other reasons, white racists were finding the show funny for the wrong reasons.", "I think you're right that it's now well established that gender is a fluid societal construct and is more than just biological sex. But it's hard to envisage how shutting down any further discussion would help get others who still don't see it this way across the line? \n\nAside from, as you've pointed out below, waiting for them to die off, what do we do? A major point of the trans movement is to get people to become more accepting. Is your point that we publically shun those differing opinions and hope that eventually makes a difference? \n\nIn any case, I think the 'debate' has somewhat shifted to the nuances of how trans rights now operate in today's society. Governments are legislating for the use of pronouns, people are being criticised for gender reveal parties, and some are even feeling threatened (incorrectly) by what all of this means for their own gender identity. \n\nYou might still hold the position that those nuanced issues are now settled. But I'm still personally grappling with them to some extent. That being the case, I think reading these types of discussions help a lot and should continue.", "He doesn't want to wait it out, this is promotion for his tour.", "Or that it was a joke", ">because we're talking about a man who said things that are so basic, and so commonly shared as beliefs by the vast majority of people on earth that if Dave Chappelle can't say \"everyone had to pass through the legs of a woman\"\n\nYou know thats not what people are upset about right? It's him saying the same joke that 4channers have been using for years about transwomen not having real vaginas, or him saying hes team terf which means he doesn't believe transwomen are real women. That's what upset people.", "Exactly, he’s a professional. You really think it’s a big conspiracy?", "What", "I hope Dave doesn't go down the Lenny Bruce road. There's only so much people want to hear about the drama. They want to be entertained.", "It's a lot easier to boycott a tv special then not eat any nestle product.", "Except, we now live in a culture, and we are commenting on a website where being critical of the same ideology that is trying to cancel Dave Chappelle can result in you being banned from subreddits, or it can have entire subreddits banned. Gender critical feminists who believe that trans ideology is actually reinforcing gender roles and eroding women's rights cannot express their opinion without being banned, and on many platforms receive extreme hatred which is for some reason deemed acceptable. There are quite obvious double standards if you actually care to find out.\n\nIf those gender critical feminists are correct by the way, then a lot more is on the line than simply being able to watch a comedian, women's safety, and rights are under threat and they're unable to find a platform where they can actually speak about it because it's been deemed acceptable to deplatform them.\n\nSilencing of speech is never a trivial issue.", "Is any of that happening to Dave...?", "I think it’s reasonable to not platform hate. If that’s what “”””cancel culture”””” is then fine. They wouldn’t platform an outright racist or misogynist or homophobe, but it’s still socially acceptable to bully trans people so it’s different somehow.", "Comedians could literally make jokes about heroin addicted homeless people and no one would care and the media wouldn’t bat an eye. But transgender people? Nope, off limits for comedy", "> emphasis/shouting\n\nWhat do you mean by emphasis divided by shouting? You have been bested again 🤓", "I wish people would shut up about being silenced", "How are you this upset about an artist receiving criticism for his art? \n\nDave hasn't been silenced, and isn't going to be silenced. \n\n>Because what I see is Dave Chappelle having shows cancelled\n\nHe's playing MSG next month with Joe Rogan. You think Joe Rogan's crowd gives a fuck about any of this?", "You know it’s not a movie right? He was doing that comedy set for a while, and they filmed one of the times he performed it. So many people had in fact heard what he said well before the special released on Netflix.", "Its a damn shame Chapelle chose to make this entire phase of his career about his opinions on trans people. He didn't have to, he chose to, and literally nothing was gained. It wasn't funny, it wasn't progressive. No one was helped.", "Getting fired at work over workplace allegations isn't cancel culture.", "In America there are more black people (45m+) than trans people (1.4m).\n\nAre black voices 30 times louder?", "I think when we start calling everyone a sexual predator for legal things, it just eventually makes everyone roll their eyes and learn to ignore it because it just sounds like more American moral hysteria. \n\n\nCall him a creep or something, but 'sexual predator' to me means someone breaking laws. \n\n\nPeople are so quick to cry wolf and dilute the fuck out of these terms. \nIt's to the point whenever an American says someone is 'Underage' you have to find out if they mean 21, 19, 18, 17, 16... or if they're just lying because it's a better thing to be outraged about.", "Yep, this one person speaks for the entirely of the trans community, most of whom disagree with what she’s saying. Just like how Blaire White represents the community’s views on non-binary people.", "> But it's hard to envisage how shutting down any further discussion would help get others who still don't see it this way across the line?\n\nIt won't. But that's okay, because that isn't the goal.\n\n> Aside from, as you've pointed out below, waiting for them to die off, what do we do?\n\nIsolate them, marginalize them, and prevent them from doing further harm.\n\n\"Civil debate\" is a tactic that allows them to spread their ideology and recruit. It gives them a megaphone for their beliefs.\n\n> A major point of the trans movement is to get people to become more accepting.\n\nAnd they will. It just takes time.\n\n> Is your point that we publically shun those differing opinions and hope that eventually makes a difference?\n\nMore or less, yeah. It kind of sucks that there isn't a better way, but if there is we haven't stumbled across it yet.\n\n> In any case, I think the 'debate' has somewhat shifted to the nuances of how trans rights now operate in today's society.\n\nIn progressive (and some moderate) circles, it has, yes.\n\n> You might still hold the position that those nuanced issues are now settled.\n\nI don't necessarily think they are. But when people demand a \"civil discussion\" on trans rights, they aren't asking for a structured debate on whether pronouns should be indicated passively or with active introductions. They just want a platform to talk about how upset they are that trans people exist.", ">His stand up wasn't even that good initially, which is why they had to shoehorn it into early Seinfeld episodes.\n\nUh, are you actually serious? Seinfeld was pretty good and was quite popular. He was on the Tonight Show and had a comedy special all before the tv show ever aired. Why do you think they offered him the opportunity to do a show?\n\nTo say he wasn't a good comedian and had to tack on his comedy to the show is revisionist history and absolutely absurd.", "I grew up in the south. Kids at my school would go to book burning parties to burn Harry Potter books. They also had them for Magic the Gathering and Yu-Gi-Oh cards, as well as ones for rock and rap music. If you were known to engage in any of that stuff, about 30% of your community thought you were a literal satanist.\n\nUp until very recently, conservatives were the main voice behind practically every attempt at censorship, whether it be gay / lesbian couples in movies or violence in video games. Right now it's a bit more of an even split but conservatives were the creators of \"cancel culture\".", "I like turtles.", "Betty White got thrown off TV in 1954 because she refused to remove a black dancer from her show. \n\nThis is an awfully long new-age we're in", "He already got paid. Even if Netflix took down the special, he's not cancelled. He would have to lose his platform which isn't happening.", "I think when the majority of a community is in agreement on something, that accurate represents the views of most people in that community. So instead of cherry-picking what one grifter is saying, look at what the consensus is. Candace Owens does not represent the views of the black community, this person does not represent the views of the trans community.", "He's literally going on tour all next month to promote his movie. \n\nhttps://www.ticketmaster.com/dave-chappelle-tickets/artist/803682", "No, but saying trans people just need to \"toughen up and take a joke\" or whatever is patently a stupid thing to say. \n\nThey are one of the most marginalized groups in the world, the FREQUENT butt of MANY MANY jokes.\n\nTrans people have taken a lot of things with a stiff upper lip.", "That’s good to see!", "> The entire thing was him saying \"my race has had it worse than your gender/sexuality\". And honestly, I find ANY oppression olympics content to be distasteful.\n\nI sort of agree. I also find the \"oppression olympics\" mindset distasteful, but Dave really did have it out for transgendered people in his special. It made me uncomfortable, especially the discussion of \"punching down\". And I think there was supposed to be a meta-narrative where Dave's comedic character is a foil for himself, where he's intentionally crass and offensive. But while he's usually a talented writer, that didn't come through very clearly. And as we've all learned over the past few years, saying something mean in jest isn't always OK; because a lot of people hear that as permission to say the mean thing in earnest. \n\nanyways on to oppression olympics. I think that mindset comes out of a fear that sympathy is a limited resource, and anyone advocating sympathy for cause Y is taking sympathy away from cause X. I personally don't believe that to be true, but that sentiment certainly underlies a lot of the oppression dick measuring that goes on around these issues.", "There’s a difference between comedy and hate disguised as comedy. It’s like making “go back to the kitchen” jokes and claiming that women have no sense of humour.", "Jesus, he really went full moron there.", "That's not \"cancel culture\", that's being black balled for being out of line. It has happened for over a century now in all kind of professions. Look up this guy called Mel Gibson.", "I guess being incredibly rich for decades could make you a little out of touch.", "Good. GC is trash and hate.", "Guy hasn't gotten a laugh out of me since season 1.", "Tbh I’m not okay with 18 year olds going to war either. Don’t put words in my mouth.", "What's the matter, too challenging for ya?!?!", "Don't tell me what I can and can't forking do.", "the incident you describe has to be seen within context of professional comics touring the country on the comedy club circuit, where they deal with corrupt agents/managers, shady promoters, crooked club owners, and a whole host of fuct up (often drug or alcohol addicted) people who don't honor their commitments, financial or otherwise. \n\na good source for a behind the scenes view of that world are the [joey diaz](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/uncle-joeys-joint/id558364221) and [felipe esparza](https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/whats-up-fool-podcast/id853118658)'s podcasts where they talk shop about their experiences, often with other stand-up comics.", ">No, it's just \"humanities professor doesn't like trans people\"\n\nI'm out of the loop here, but what did she actually say / do? Because from my experience on the internet, people have an absurdly low tolerance for any kind of questions about transgender issues.\n\nFor example, if you say that you think it's wrong to let trans athletes break world records set by cis-gendered individuals, you're called transphobic, even though that viewpoint has nothing to do with fear or hatred of trans people. I'm about as left leaning as they come but because I don't agree on literally 100% of trans issues, I've been called transphobic. It's truly insane.", "That's not \"cancel culture\" people have tried to make networks stop airing shows for as long as television existed. Look up this show called South Park.", "I don't know how to break this to you but Dave starred in his first movie in 1993.", "Trans people aren’t off limits, you can joke about them as long as it’s not punching down. That’s not comedy, it’s bullying.", "That's not \"cancel culture\" that's capitalism. It's because companies dont want to associate themselves with transphobic folks. He may or may not be transphobic, but he surely seems like it.", "Ah shit, yeah I was gonna list Carlin and Pryor and I forgot they died.", "The internet IS the main platform on which people communicate today like it or not. The vast majority of the world is getting it's information from it. Basically every single platform on the internet is privately owned, and all of the important ones are controlled by a very small number of ultra powerful private corporations.\n\nEffectively the entire global public square is now in the control of those ultra powerful private corporations. There's not much outside of it that is relevant, and if you don't have a platform available to you on twitter, facebook, or youtube, then you're frankly largely irrelevant unless people are searching specifically for you. \n\nWe are at a point where these companies basically control the public square, and they control who is allowed on their platforms, and what they are allowed to say, and the enforce these rules unequally and arbitrarily, and they can change the rules at any times as they like, and an example of who they have silenced, was the sitting President of the United States of America in his MAIN means of communicating to world - as ridiculous as that is, that is fucking. Insane.... that they can do that to the most powerful man in the world, and frankly on shaky grounds. Whilst at the same time it has been pointed out, the Ayatollah Khamenei remained on twitter despite regular incitement to violence against Jews and Israel. \n\nLike it or not, Twitter, Youtube, Facebook... social media is the world stage now, and private companies have control of it. And they manage this stage according to their own interests. Not our interests.\n\nI'm sorry I disagree, I think we are owed some kind of platform where we can't be deplatformed. Because right now there's almost nowhere where you have a global audience where certain views aren't being policed - and that is frankly terrifying.", "You know reddit isn't the only thing in the world right? And people aren't only complaining about it on Reddit. It's completely possibly even 5 or 10% of the viewers found it offensive. \n\n\nBut there are clearly a way higher percentage than 10% of people who are talking about it who are complaining about it. So that indicates that a large number of people complaining about it probably haven't seen it. Because otherwise it'd be more than 6% of Netflix adult viewers* would have seen it \n\n\nest based of \"9 million views\" and netflix US, CAN, UK penetration and demographics", ">There are thousands of examples of people that have lost their jobs, been fired, been deplatformed, had events cancelled, been slandered over mainstream media for having what are very commonly held views.\n\nOh yeah? What commonly held views are they? Some examples would be nice, seeing as there are 'thousands' of them according to you.\n\nA person saying one race is inferior to another might be 'common' among some circles, but that doesn't mean it's right.", "I'm am replying to YOUR POST where you say\n\n>It really kicked off in a big way about 6 years ago,\n\nSo I reached for old cancellations. To respond to that point. \n\nMy other post IN THIS CHAIN THAT YOU ARE REPLYING TO has a current example\n\nAre you drunk? You don't even remember what you posted?\n\nEdit: specifically to respond to the \"it used to just be the left!\" idea - the Hollywood Communist thing is one of the BIGGEST cancellations ever.", "So? People have been trying to remove shows for as long as tv existed, look up South Park. Look up Beavis and Buthead, look up Heil Honey.", "I'm overwhelmed.\n\nDave is too rich so his opinion is invalid, his schtik is getting old, being a comedian is only about making politically correct jokes, the special isn't funny, cancel culture isn't real.\n\nOkay sure that's a valid opinion but mine is too:\n\nComedians should be able to say insensitive things, and you don't have to like it or think it's funny, and they shouldn't lose their job for it.\n\nLet's just move on.", "I'm not sure but what you said is basic science so it shouldn't need any cheerleaders", "\"Cancel culture is new!\" \n\n\"Here are some examples from 70 years ago\" \n\n\"Its ridiculous that you cited things that happened in the past as evidence of what happened in the past!\"", "> you can joke about them as long as it’s not punching down\n\nOh. And pray tell what is 'punching down?\"", "I'm not sure I see much of a difference between telling trans people they shouldn't be upset about derogatory jokes because \"jokes\" and telling black people they shouldn't be upset over blackface because \"jokes\".", "Not completely silenced, but partially. People are pressuring businesses to cancel his shows.\n\nThis isn't criticism, this is an attempt to silence. I don't care if people say they don't like it, but they are trying to prevent him being platformed - that's my problem.\n\nAnd it's based on virtually nothing. What did he say that merits this kind of response? I want you to quote something that you think justifies this. Because it's very important that in society we're able to say very basic and simple things like \"men are not women\" without having to fear what might happen to our careers if we do.", "\"I didn't watch the whole special\" response right here.", "That's not him being canceled, that's companies and festivals not wanna associate themselves with someone controversial.", "He is pissed because he feels that the movement has gained so much more steam/acceptance over so much less time, and he cites why he feels that is the case.", "> \"This has nothing to do with them [the LBTGQ community]. For the record, and I need you to know this, everyone I know from that community has been nothing but loving and supporting, so I don't know what this nonsense is about.\"\n\nOh, come on, man, you're full of shit. There's no way you're not [aware of the response](https://www.gq.com/story/chappelle-the-closer). You're just too far up your own ass to accept it.\n\nTo be fair, I still love the guy, just as I still love Louis CK. These are two of the greatest comedians of all time, and like all of us, they are flawed. But people are not the sum of their flaws.", "I didn't say it was new????\n\nI guess if you can't win the argument, just make up a different one that I didn't make so you can win that.", "[See here](https://www.gq.com/story/chappelle-the-closer).", "You don’t know what he has said. You don’t care what he has to say. Therefore, your personal opinion about him is a construct of your own making that has no basis on reality.\n\nThank you for proving that the alphabet community is either deaf or illiterate.\n\nNow go back to twitter and make sure to drag other people of your community through the mud to the point of suicide like you did to Daphne Dorman.\n\nYou have blood on your hands.", "Uh,who even are you? I didn't respond to you or mention you in my comment. If you're taking issue with such a general phrase as \"people are ok with\", I suggest you consider that the world doesn't revolve around you. The vast majority of the country is ok with 18 year olds being sent to war, as evidenced by the fact that literally no major political party, figure, or other entity has put any effort into changing that age.", "I watched the whole special and this clip...", "Yeah your comment is a incoherent mess of goal-post moving and irrelevant nonsense.\n\nIf you're still trying to dismiss criticism of a special viewed by millions of people as impossible by any segment of those millions you are obviously too dense to bother trying to educate.", "Ok then. So you would be fine with it if every time a black man was murdered by police in America, Jewish people turned around and said \"well we had it worse in the holocaust\"?", "Yes. So FUCK those people. What are you in favour of people that want to control what YOU can watch? What are we supposed to be in favour of these people all of a sudden because people like it existed it in the past?\n\nI fucking hate people that want to censor what I can see, read, and think about and so should you.", "Did this clip advertise jokes? Nope.\n\n\nBut he snuck one in on Hannah Gadsby regardless. (Although, she can be pretty funny)", "You’re not claiming that Dave thinks trans folks have “no sense of humor”. You’re claiming his jokes make him “hate” trans. Which is silly. Dave has joked about women, men, relationships, comedians, LGBTQ+, all races, religions, politicians, rappers, athletes, crackheads, musicians, and every fucking person living or dead in between. \n\nAre you claiming all of the above is “hate” for all those groups “disguised as comedy”? Not with a straight face you can’t. Bottom line is no single group or person should be left out. Comedy is all inclusive. \n\nPS I saw an article that the LGBTQ community was upset that a gay couple was murdered by Michael Myers. Called Michael fucking Myers homophobic. I mean we can’t condone such asinine commentary. It’s our responsibility to protect such a captivatingly perfect art.", "Except I did.", "This comment is one of the reasons he walked away from a huge contact.", "Not to mention here he is....featured on a YouTube video and shared on one the internet's biggest website...\n\nSounds like he's been 'cancelled' hard", "Bet they didn’t even watch that.", "Step 1: Do a comedy routine around specifically polarizing subjects.\n\nStep 2: Wait for expected critism\n\nStep 3: Tell critics they are wrong and dumb.\n\nStep 4: Do a comedy routine around previous comedy routine and critics reaction to it.\n\nStep 5: Profit\n\nStep 6: Repeat steps 1 - 4 for 20+ years", "No shit sherlock.", "That's all he's been about since his comeback. He doesn't really care about anti-Asian violence, and has made bits about how he doesn't. Regarding women, he says \"You were in on the heist, you just didn't like your cut.\"\n\nSince he came back to television, he's made it clear that he cares about only one specific type of person: Black, male, straight, probably a comedian, and that's why he ends his career with an anecdote about Kevin Hart losing his chance to host the Oscars for his past homophobic content, saying \"Will your people \\[LGBT\\] stop punching down on my people \\[black male comedians, presumably\\]\" \n\nHe has zero empathy for any other type of marginalized person.", "But like … super mega seriously? :o", "Ah yes he can't be ~~racist~~ homophobic because he has no power. That makes sense, yeah. Dave Chappelle? Yeah totally powerless dude right there.", "You said it was just the left that cancelled people in the past, which is a ridiculous statement.", "Do you want him to explain every other Chappelle joke like you’re five after that? A lot to ask. Just watch the special. This is only 8 minutes where he really didn’t make joke. 90% of the rest of the hour long special is jokes.", "Uh, they’re both bad?\n\nThey both have rich old fucks taking advantage of an underdeveloped brain.", "Come see for yourself for the low price of $235-1400 a ticket.", "> Did \"The left\" cancel Betty White in 1954 for having a black tap dancer on her show?\n\n>Did \"The left\" blackball anyone accused of being a commie in showbiz?\n\n>Did \"The left\" try to make Lucille Ball hide her pregnancy because it was \"offensive\" to imply a MARRIED COUPLE had sex?\n\nThis was your comment.\n\nThe point that you were clearly trying to make wasn't about when this started, but about who was doing it. You were pointing to right wing cancellations.\n\n>I'm am replying to YOUR POST where you say\n\n>>It really kicked off in a big way about 6 years ago,\n\nYes it did... I didn't say it started, I said that the current trend in culture of cancellations really began around that time. Are you being deliberately dense?", "Nice try Matt Gatez", "In what way? Because he definitely wasn't amazing at comedy.", "More like it's a testament of how fast time goes by.", "You're telling on yourself by posting that whole spiel before you even learn what she did.", "This is some Q anon level thinking.", "Yeah, I've seen shady promoter bullshit first hand. They are the scum of the earth. You have to be militant with them to get results.", "If it was so clear to you, you would have put things in perspective instead of \"asking\" him to continue to let people slide when they should be better.", "The difference here is that we like trans people, we don't like pedophiles", "Considering the ridiculous impact it's had on his life, he has every right to talk about it.", "Well at least you are beginning to introspect.", "Him being rich means he holds social power. He is not just a black man. He is a rich black man. And that matters a great deal when judging whether or not he’s punching down.", "I guess it depends, but to me Cancel Culture is the phenomenon where people try to find anything they can to discredit and attack someone regardless of context. It doesn't care about the actual person or what they're really like, it doesn't matter if it was 10 years ago, or if they were a dumb teenager. If you did one bad thing, these people will boycott you forever even if you apologize and have learned from it. So like James Gunn, he was on a Twitter thread making some offensive jokes in a thread about making offensive jokes long before he was noteworthy, and that got him fired at Disney long after the fact. Or take Doja Cat, she was a part of some chatroom which had some racist jokes in it, and a bunch of people online wanted her cancelled, they didn't find anything she said or what she thought of them, and they didn't seem to realize that she was half black either. Essentially, they're trying to tear down and boycott people for any reason they can find. \n\nIt's a bit different when you're saying something you genuinely believe in that's terrible and not some off the cuff remark.", "> and we have no interest in hearing him drone on about it.\n\nSpeak for yourself.", "Moms have been \"cancel culturing\" D&D, Magic, Star Wars, Pokemon, Rock and Roll, Elvis, Beatles, and Louis Armstrong for like a century now.", "If 6% of people saw it, but 15% of people are complaining about it. That means that most people complaining about it probably didn't see it. \n\n\nThat's not moving goalposts. That's math.", "Given the whole point of a boycott is to change the behavior that caused the boycott, is there really much of a difference?", "Yeah but there's only one of him. And there's about 9000 of you.", "Years ago making fun of trans people in incredibly bigoted ways was widely accepted in comedy.", "Huh, you mean Mel Gibson the guy that still produces, directs and appears in movies after spewing a bunch of anti semitic hate Mel Gibson? How does his successful movie career show that he was canceled for his anti semitism from 2006?\n\nCompared to Colin Kaepernick who lost his career by only taking a knee at the start of NFL games, something that has transcended the NFL and has been seen in many other sports and events as an accepted form of protest?\n\nLet's see the mental gymnastics and ignorance you are going to have to use to justify your statement.", "Well she is so...", "He's spoken in the past about how he regrets some of his past sketches, because they gave racists a lot of ammunition to use against black people. He's said that he worried sometimes that people were laughing at him and not with him. His content since his comeback is all about laughing at people. It's about giving bigots more to work with. And when he gets called out on its overall shittiness, he always jumps back to his ironclad \"My people have it worse\" defense. Nevermind that black women exist. Nevermind that black LGBT people exist. No, black straight male comics like him and Kevin Hart and Bill Cosby are who he identifies with, and everyone else can get bent.", ">claiming as a member of a marginalized group it was impossible for him to be an oppressive force to another group\n\nModern progressivism in a nutshell.", "What view of Chapelle is bigoted? Was there any specific example you could give of that?", "Why would it be odd to be mad at a hate ideology?", "I wish this was the top comment.", "No art form has ever been free of criticism. I'd argue it's not even possible. At the most basic level you have to at least draw a line between \"art\" and \"not art\" - that's a critical value judgement. And criticism cuts both ways; it's the reason we don't hold toddlers' artwork in the same esteem as masterpieces.\n\nPast critique (as in positive evaluation of his past work) is what has put Dave Chapelle on a pedestal in the first place. He obviously is able to push boundaries in the directions he wants - he just made $60 million doing it. He has protections. If he wants to keep harping on about this no one is going to stop him, but he's not entitled to do so without facing criticism.", ">What are you in favour of people that want to control what YOU can watch?\n\nIs this a joke? Do you control what you watch? You do realize stations are run by people who curate what you watch, yes? Netflix curates what you watch. Even if you have every platform, what you watch is based on what gets approved by studios. Like, you think you got agency over content? \n\n>What are we supposed to be in favour of these people all of a sudden because people like it existed it in the past?\n\nWhat do you mean \"these people\"? You mean viewers? Shows have always come and gone based on reception and ratings.\n\nLike are you actually new to tv?", ">At a societal level, that's correct. My point is that we've already had those discussions. Society, as a whole, already knows what's right and what's wrong when it comes to trans rights.\n\nI honestly didn't know we had this all figured out as a society, I guess I don't have my finger on the pulse like I once did. So what was our final stance on transwomen competing against cis women in sports?", "So the whole time he talked about the lgbt community?\n\nEdit: Why is this being downvoted? You are acting like the whole special was jokes/conversations about the LBTQ. Not true.", "When have trans people ever not been mocked and bullied by society?", "That's actually not how he generally does it, and you can look back at reviews of his for the past while to see that's not what he did. \n\n\nSome comedians do that, that's not what he's been doing for several years now. \nI think even less so because of Covid. Also very clear from the articles and quotes, that's not the case, everyone quoted the same little bits, they didn't see the act.", ">Huh, you mean Mel Gibson the guy that still produces, directs and appears in movies after spewing a bunch of anti semitic hate Mel Gibson? \n\nDo you people not watch movies? Lol. Dude was black balled by Hollywood for over a decade, and has only recently started getting jobs again.", "u wot mate?", "> I honestly didn't know we had this all figured out as a society, I guess I don't have my finger on the pulse like I once did. So what was our final stance on transmen competing against cis women in sports?\n\nGood question! I don't think we're quite there on this sub-issue, and it's one that I'm staying out of because I see a lot of different stances in the trans community.\n\nAnd these are the questions we should* be wrestling with (no pun intended) now. The little nuances and policy distinctions, or the narrow applications of trans rights to societal institutions (like sports).\n\nWe *shouldn't* be re-litigating the already-answered questions of, \"Do trans people exist?\" or \"Are trans women actually women?\"", "How about the commonly held view that \"men are not women\". Gender critical feminist subreddits have been removed from reddit, they are attacked on twitter, and are harrassed and sometimes physically assaulted at real world events.\n\nThe news has been full of people getting into trouble for stating that they simply believe that sex is important. Kathleen Stock is an academic at a UK university that is in huge trouble simply for questioning the idea of whether gender identity is more important than biological sex. Maya Forstater was fired from the Center for Global Development think tank in the UK for simply tweeting that she doesn't believe you can change biological sex. That's fucking true. You can't change biological sex.\n\nEven JK Rowling is getting declined from events because of her thoughtful essay that questions the extents of gender identity versus biological sex and women's spaces. \n\nMost people on earth believe that men are not women, and that you cannot change your biological sex, yet culture is rife with examples of cases where people are being fired for expressing those opinions, or getting into trouble for stating it. I don't know how you can't see this? This is fucking everywhere.", "The story also has zero details.", "Or, and bear with me here, the 15% you see complaining about it are not actually 15% of the population...but just the vocal segment of the population that saw it and were offended.\n\nAs far as I know there is absolutely zero evidence that remotely backs up your perception of the numbers, which is based on you wanting it to be true instead of anything resembling facts.", "Yeah, wealth typically goes that way. 1% getting millions.", "Wtf are you talking about? I didn't say it was only the left? I'm done with you. You are just claiming I said stuff that I didn't say and not arguing in any kind of good faith.", "The fact that you're being downvoted for asking should be all the proof you need that people in this thread are not being genuine and in fact have an ideological bone to pick.", "i mean he was doing back then what every comedian does now, no?\n\nhe did well enough as a stand up, which got him attention, and which led to him co creating Seinfeld. He obviously fit the role extremely well. Obviously most people probably find kramer or george to be the funniest parts of that show, but jerry was still a big part of why those other characters seemed so funny.\n\nLook at all of the popular comedians today. Literally ALL of them got popular because of their podcasts. Bill Burr has some great specials from early in his career, but he wouldn't be nearly what he is today without his podcast which he started almost as early as joe rogan. It's been a long time since a comedy special from any popular comedian was anywhere near as funny as the things they say on their respective podcasts. \n\nJerry did what they all do. Gain a little bit of notoriety from stand up, launch a podcast (or a tv show in jerrys case), and a few funny youtube clips (or episodes) later you can sell out theaters in most big cities...then over seas...then literally anywhere. I guess the only difference is Seinfeld got filthy rich off of his show and didnt need to worry about doing stand up anymore as much.", "When they gained recognition, equal rights and exclusive services for aiding trans mental wellbeing?", "Punishing curiosity does not breed more curiosity.", "> This is a pretty dangerous position to be in. Dancing with the devil and hoping they keep dancing with you.\n\nBuddy, friend, pal-o-mine... this \"not dancing with me\" has been the default forever. It is only a new thing now that corporations do things because they're worried about how it makes women or black people or gay folks feel. \n\nIt's like when folks finally started getting Nazis pulled off YouTube. \"What if YouTube decides to censor your leftist ideals?\" Brother, they were doing that for years prior. You say \"trans\" in your video and it gets demonetized, not because there are conservatives reporting it or the algorithm thinks that only conservatives would be talking about it (and negatively), but because advertisers didn't like it. The situation where corporate power shits on marginalized people has always exist and is always going to exist, but if we can finally fucking leverage that to at least push the Nazis out of the same spaces, that's some kind of win.\n\nIt's all well and good to say \"don't smile when this guy kicks racists in the shin, he might turn around and kick yours\", but it's ignoring the crucial fact that Mr. Shinkicker has spent his entire existence kicking me in the shin. The only time he's not kicking me in the shin is when he's kicking the racists. We're not going to end shin-kicking, and even if we did, the fucking racists would slip up to Mr. Shinkicker and palm him a few hundos while murmuring, \"Hey, mind kicking those folks' shins for us on the DL?\" And Shinkicker would do it. \n\nSo yeah, we're gonna leverage the democratization of speech for a fucking change. We're gonna put our message out and simultaneously say that no, fucking Nazis and bigots and racists and all these other shitheads shouldn't be granted the same courtesy--they're baddies. Do you ground both your children when one of them steals your car and crashes it, completely unbeknownst to the other? Of course not, that'd be psychotic. So we can say hey, corporations, you need to accept this good speech and not be tolerant of this bad speech. There's no conflict here.", "Is it? Or maybe he isn't sophisticated or educated enough to even know what TERF means? I doubt he's actually talked it through.", "He was literally nominated for best director in 2016, he was in multiple Expendables as early as 2010, he was in Machete. Dude I think you need to look up a guy called Mel Gibson. I still don't see how his anti semitism is comparable to Kaepernick or how he \"went over the line\" as all the racist all lives matter idiots claim.", "Isn't that kind of the point though. To point that out. It starts the conversation and people with those kinds of perspectives are forced to have this conversation from another angle. Even the whole \"I'm more oppressed than you because I'm black\" starts the conversation where non of this is that black and white .", "You know who was cancelled who I miss? Michelle Wolf. Funny as hell. Edgy as fuck. Bring her back.", "But in this case we're talking about employees at Netflix and stars of other Netflix shows. So it's pretty apples to oranges, brother.", "Or maybe I'm asking because a lot of people aren't aware of what's going on and answering my question would provide a lot of context to this discussion which had none to begin with. Not that hard to understand, dickhead.\n\nJust FYI, short of actually watching the special it's not easy to search. Look it up and all you'll find is news article upon news article of celebrity opinions and protests about the matter.", "I didn’t think anyone can actually argue that Mel Gibson wasn’t blackballed lol. He literally went from A list to doing cameo roles. That’s like arguing against objective reality. \n\nYou gonna tell me how the earth is flat or climate change is a hoax next?", "I wanna hear about how he walked away from 50 million dollars...again...", "Yes, cancel culture has existed for a long time. But south park wasn't cancelled.", "nice try to deflect", "Wait employees in a company voicing their opinion on what the company should do is new? Wow.", "Likely too dumb to get the jokes and certainly to get the point. The LGBTQ community needs to stop punching down on all of us and fk cancel culture", "I see what you did there. Good job Daphne", "I feel he stays on the gay/trans topic far too long. I enjoy a few jokes about it but this last special just stayed on the issue too much", "And Dave Chappell wasn’t cancelled. Well, he did cancel himself.", "It was the same bit where he was supporting Rowling and declaring that \"gender is a fact.\" \n\nYou'd think that if you were pre writing (and being handsomely paid for) a comedy special where you declare yourself either a TERF or on their side, you'd look up what the term means.", "I like how you completely ignore the point. You tried to compare Sunstone nominated for an academy award since his anti semitic rant to a guy whose career was literally ended and when asked to justify that statement you try and change the subject to flat earth. It's because Kaepernick is black right? That's why he stepped over the line and is OK being canceled in your books but what happened to white Mel Gibson was wrong? Explain why that statement is wrong, but if you try and just change the subject without addressing it, we'll know why.", "It’s really remarkable and somewhat sad that this is his response to the LGTBQ+ thing. He supposedly quit Comedy Central because he felt he went from relevant and poignant commentary on race, into a $50 million dollar minstrel artist. Like his satire wasn’t being understood as satire anymore. So he goes on hiatus, watches the country react to Bush and Obama among other things, and feels like his underlying cause for commentary in his original show is so lost, that now he has to bring down other minority groups he can’t empathize with, because they’ve currently got seemingly more of the spotlight while the race problems going on since the beginning of the nation still continue. \n\nFirst, it’s a fallacy to think we can’t tackle two “problems” at once, if you can somehow separate these into distinct problems. But he seems to come from a place where LGTBQ+ have stolen the show, as if there was only one show to be had. Second, it’s extremely disappointing he cannot at minimum identify this as a legit minority community and therefore sympathize with their struggles. Agree with their beliefs or not, he should accept their struggles, possibly relate to them better than I could. He’s no better than a white person who refuses to accept a black Person simply because he disagrees with their existence. Just because the gender in our heads isn’t always visible like skin, doesn’t make it less real. Just because a disagreement isn’t race related, doesn’t mean it’s now fair game to deny their existence. It’s a free country, people are free to be racist unfortunately, but we’re trying to stop that prejudiced thinking. We’re trying to stop those beliefs from impacting anyone. If Dave would agree with this then he can also agree that he is free to say what he wants, but there may be consequences, especially when it impacts a class of minorities. Sometimes, saying things is impact enough, and in response, businesses will protect their bottom line to distance themselves from such speech. He’s still free to say it, but businesses may stop their support in many ways, and that too is their right. I don’t think anyone is asking him to stop what he’s doing, Dave just needs to live up to the consequences of his actions and the realities of business and money.", "In fact, Dave himself even joked about \"heroin addicted whites\" in one of his previous specials", "> my views are unpopular\n\nBut you're wrong about that. He's right about corporate control and influence. I'm hating on the trans community right now, not because of them as people but because of the loud voice they have and they're also being too stupid to realize they're being played. He's also right about black people having it worse. Seriously, trans people can go fuck themselves for always getting their panties in a twist, just like the reddit hive mind. You fucks create censorship.", "How about you tell us what she actually said that was so egregious? Because the truth is she said nothing even remotely offensive. She merely questioned whether gender identity was as socially significant as biological sex. She's a professor, and she had a controversial thought. Frankly it isn't even remotely very controversial to anyone other than these student narcissists who don't understand what the purpose of a university actually is.\n\nI defy you to find me a quote from her of something she said that is actually discriminatory or hateful. Yet here you are basically approving her removal from a university. That's cancel culture right there. And you're part of it.", "I laughed the entire special, Bigotry an all, people seriously acting like the content isn’t funny are literally lying to themselves to further their point.", "She said nothing that would offend anyone except for pathological narcissists and delusional ideologues, and he won't tell you what she said that's so allegedly egregious because he can't. And that right there is cancel culture.", "I don't think for a second that you know what the overall public sentiment is.", "Key point here being presumably. I went to his show two years ago super excited and only just have found out then about his whole beef with the LGBTQ+ community. He rattled on about that for the entirety of the show. Huge dissapointment cause I couldn't care lesse who he has beef with. I was there for jokes and got complaining in the guise of jokes instead. Now obviously that could still mean he does jokes but I'm sure he is talked about so much exactly because he's focussing on this issue way more than his comedy.", "Did I say it was good? \n\nAlso Dave Chappelle isn't cancelled, he is more popular and richer than ever. If by huge effort you mean few thousand rando's online a a couple dozen employees, well, you and I have different definitions of huge. His show was watched by, and liked, by millions, he got 60 million dollars, he is still getting offers for work.", "If you can come up with a coherent explanation as to why you support people who are actively trying to cancel Dave (not simply having the opinion they don't like Dave -- that's not the argument here) but don't yourself think Dave should be cancelled I'd love to see it.\n\nAlso cancel doesn't mean the same as \"never perform again\".", "I don't know who that is.", "Why would you think that? You think comedy is done by doing research? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\n\nNo. He did not look up terms. He did not research. He's going through the stages of discovery like the rest of us, but stopping along the way to tell jokes before he gets to the next step. Fame and fortune are destroying any chance he has to actually learn what's really happening in this cultural debate.\n\nI used to agree with JK, and then I watched the ContraPoints video and I completely changed my mind. Dave will not have that opportunity because he does not have chill educated friends who open his mind to new concepts. He's surrounded by yes-men and groupies who only tell him what he wants to hear. This is the problem with fame.", "He had a 60 minute special and he spent 40 of it complaining about how people react to his past statements about trans people. I was ready to enjoy a dave chappelle special and I had to listen to him bitch about and attempt to ridicule his \"haters\" for over half of it.\n\nIt's also a comedy set, if you're implying that people had to wait until the day it released to see a set he was performing for a few months prior to the Netflix debut, you clearly weren't paying attention to the audience in the room.", "Why did you forget to mention how old the girl was? Seems pretty important.\n\nHow old was she?", "Lets go back to numbers. Lets go with your 1% that saw it were offended. If 1% that saw it were offended. And 6% of Netflix viewers saw it. That means only 0.06% of Netflix viewers were offended.\n\nNetflix subscribing households only accounts for around 60% of populace. so that 0.06% is only 0.036% of overall populace. We can look at just this thread to see a much higher than 0.036% of the comments against the special. Looking outside of reddit the commenting on the special on other social media and generally talking to people IRL (in my experience) also shows much higher than 0.036% of the populace complaining about it.\n\nEven if the vocal minority is yelling louder they'd have to 100x their voice to get even 3.6% of the comments to be negative on social media. Even at 500x that's only 15% of comments negative on social media. And this thread, others, and other social media shows at least 15% negative comments about it.\n\nSo either the people who hated it are now devoting massive amounts of their time commenting on it, whilst people who liked the special are barely bothering to respond so they can get a 500x representation in the comments.\n\nOr, bear with me here, people on reddit (and irl) may be bitching about something they only read the headline for and didn't \"read the article\" aka watch the special. Which would be absolutely shocking, I know.", "> No\n\nThen why did he say it if he didn't mean it?\n\n> They are one of the most marginalized groups in the world\n\nWho decides the ranking of the list, and who decides where the cutoff is on the list so some people can be joked about and others cannot?", "39 is old? Damn...", "If you dont wanna be wildly famous, don’t sign on for five netflix specials", "He's a comedian right? But I didn't laugh..", "The vast majority of people don't believe trans women have real vaginas or that they are a real women.", "And now that I have read the rest of your replies here I realize you think something has happened that absolutely has not. You are a reactionary juicing on the outrage the media is selling you. You are EVERY BIT as much a part of this problem as the people \"cancelling\" Dave.", "Wow, and suddenly you bring race into this, why is it always about race when it suits your narrative? Again, it’s you doing the erasure of history by pretending Gibson wasn’t blackballed, a fact that anyone remotely into movies would know. \n\nI mean maybe uncultured philistines like yourself might not know, but still if you don’t know, maybe stop talking.", "What I mean is, most of us encounter way more people crying about the special than the person in the special. You know...math.", "I agree", "The 1 percent number was a number I pulled out of my ass. In reality I think the number of people who watched it and were offended is much higher. I used the lowest possible number to illustrate why your dismissal was bull.\n\nYou're trying to do math based on nothing to back your baseless opinion that people couldn't possible have seen the same material as you and had a different opinion.", "Your called transphobic because the trans athlete debate is a stupid one and usually a dog whistle(even if you aren’t actually transphobic)", "LMFAO @ his Stonewall comment. Transwomen were minding their own when the cops came and beat them up, so they fought back. Now, here, we got transwomen minding their own with Chappelle shitting on them repeatedly with prejudice and now wants to get huffy they and their allies are fighting back? Sounds like he's glamorizing the part where they had to get battered before change happened. Or what the fuck is his point?", "And vast swaths of the mainstream media is also condemning him as well. I'm not saying he's cancelled, I'm saying there's enormous pressure being applied on Netflix to signal that people find his speech unacceptable and this is going to have widespread effects including self censorship, and effectively real censorship of people less powerful than him because Netflix, and other entertainment media, and millions of companies and institutions in the world will see this as a signal to consider the very fucking mild things that he said, to be considered unacceptable speech which is fucking insane.", "Obviously there's a lotta people that do. He's sold out all over.", "You nailed it. Anyone who doesn't realize this needs to take a break from social media.", "So you cannot justify your own statement that Kaepernick \"went over the line\" and his situation of his career ending was in anyway comparable to what happened to Mel Gibson who barely missed a day. There's a clear group of people that believe what Kaepernick did was wrong. Your own statements betray you.", "How are these things serious threats? Cancel culture is nothing but consequences for action/words. And now with social media all actions and words are more seen in the world. So therefore there is more consequences. And that's a good thing, because it stops people from being shit to each other.\n\nBesides \"Cancel Culture\" is such a broad term. Not everybody is getting canceled. Chris Brown still makes music although he should be in jail, James Gunn is back as director as people realized when he said shit it was dumb but he won't say it again. Cancel culture is a generalisation where nuance makes a huge difference.", "Twitter isn’t a real place, it’s a tangible online forum that some people like to suck their entire lives into.\n\nsad, almost like the Heroin epidemic.", "He was so cancelled he got to take a break to direct the rival studios movie, get a spin off tv show and now gets to direct his movie, a holiday spin off and a freaking rollercoasters footage", "Ain't no war but the class war. It's like when Ellen was chummy with Bush. They'll happily close ranks.", "Well, yeah? That's how every piece of media ever put on tv (streaming or traditional) works. More people watch it than are part of its production.", "Cancel culture is just the modern black balling. It’s always been around", "Nobody wants his dumb movie. Boo hoo", "It wasn't a good special, that's for sure, but no, someone else commented that too, he wasn't performing it for months before, that's not how he typically does it and even less so this past year because of both other projects and covid, he wasn't doing that show. (Which is likely part of the reason some of the live audience reactions clearly weren't what he expected.)\n\nEveryone got the same little press package and they all spoke to that, they didn't see the act.", "> But this is about the people that are.\n\nWho? Random people on twitter? The organizers of the Netflix walkout explicitly don't want it removed. They want Netflix to change its policies.", "The most heard about comedian in the world worth millions of dollars, multiple media deals in the works, actively flaunting those deals in sold out shows while he blames people with gender dysphoria for his critics for which he is applauded, called brave and granted further media attention and cash. Totally cancelled.", "Jon not John also yeah I'd say its bullshit when there are 600,000 e-mails tied to a sex trafficking case and the only thing that got dug up was terrible remarks from the coach of a team the NFL desperately wants to remove the owner from because hes poor (by billionaire standards) and his daddy didn't always play ball with the other owners.", "He's a middle aged dude who made ignorant statements about something he clearly doesn't fully understand. Can we get over this now?\n\nPeople do and say dumbass shit all the time, especially comedians whose careers revolve around shock value and controversial takes.", "Now did netflix remove the special or even toy with the idea?\n\nWhats that? They didnt? So what are you mad about", "What's your definition of cancel culture then?\n\nFrom my perspective cancel culture promotes and in some cases relies on protecting the accuser rather than the accused. Just look at any rumour on twitter and the resulting trial by public opinion, its just an echo chamber of 'I knew I never liked that person' whenever something serious comes out with no semblance of due course. That's literally what everyone hates about cancel culture.", "And neither was Dave", "Its called the free market. Should someone be REQUIRED to buy his movie? Because if not, this isnt cancel culture", "Well no kidding no one is going to sign the film THIS EXACT MOMENT. \n\nAs soon as this blows over he'll be back doing his thing just like Gunn.", "Poor guy", "Also people can do two things", ">Then why did he say it if he didn't mean it?\n\nIDK Ask him, I'm speaking for me. \n\n>Who decides the ranking of the list, and who decides where the cutoff is on the list so some people can be joked about and others cannot?\n\nIf you don't think trans people are near the bottom of the totem pole in America, IDK dude.", "Again, you’re literally making a false statement that “Gibson barely missed a day”. It’s literally impossible to argue with someone who doesn’t agree to objective reality.", "This is just by far untrue. Sure the Trans are a bullied Minority, but for you to just gloss over the black community alone says exactly what Dave was talking about in his special.", "wow. so brave of him. :l", "Too old to be around school buses when he’s not driving them.", "That isnt cancel culture", "Now DID netflix remove his specials?", "Then I kinda envy you for that ignorance.", "If he has controversies floating over his head, it would take the focus away from his actual jokes. It would be like an elephant in the room. Better to address them so that he can move on to the good stuff with more ease.", "and you kept reading... and then you commented.", "Then justify your statement instead of trying to gaslight this entire conversation to make it about Mel Gibson when it was about Kaepernick. Is he not worth it to you? Is Gibson more important to you? Why is that?\n\nEdit the fact that this clown has gone on to respond to other comments but ran away from this one speaks volumes as to why he thinks Gibson was treated unfairly for an anti semitic rant and why Kaepernick \"crossed the line\" taking a knee. It's called racism.", "100%.", "Because there is no way a person could take that paywalled content and reupload it to a different site without a paywall\n\nOh wait", "I saw the special but can't remember, who did he misgender?\n\nAnd when did he say trans women weren't real women? (Are you referring to \"Team TERF\")? Even if he did, does that mean he doesn't support trans people and their right to express their identity how they wish?\n\nAnd can you stop to think a minute about in our patriarchal society, why Dave might find it offensive that a man stole away an award that is designed specifically for women (especially with the outrage about our patriarchal society where men in society take everything from women?).", "Yes. It blew. I think his early work is hilarious. This stuff sucks", "But he didnt just make a joke, he ranted for 30 minutes and then ended it by implying a trans woman he knew killed herself because the trans community so thats why hes allowed to make jokes", "The Human Rights Campaign president Alfonso David defends Andrew Cuomo, an abuser and harasser of women.\n\nhttps://www.npr.org/2021/09/07/1034760697/human-rights-campaign-fired-alphonso-david-cuomo-harassment\n\n“When David left his state government post, according to the Aug. 3 report, he took files with him that were related to one of Cuomo's accusers, Lindsey Boylan.\n\nDavid sent the files to a top Cuomo adviser in December, two days after Boylan said in a tweet that Cuomo was \"one of the biggest abusers of all time,\" the report said. When Boylan accused Cuomo of sexual harassment days later, the files were leaked to multiple media outlets in an attempt to undercut Boylan's credibility. The files David had shared were labeled as being privileged and confidential, the report said.”", "She said that transwoman are actually men and shouldn't be in female spaces. \n\nIDK dude did you even Google her name before wading in here because she she laid it out about as clear as possible.\n\nedit: She's also not \"cancelled\" she still works there and she writes op-eds for newspapers.", "The fact that it was brought up completely unprompted says it all", "Therefore, the larger group is more annoying. The people whining about the special make up more of the \"annoying\" category than Dave Chapelle.", "She wasnt actually harassed and her suicide had nothing to do with it", "I don't think things are going to go well for trans people if they keep taking offense to jokes, no matter how offensive those jokes are.\n\nThere are so much worse things in life than having your feelings hurt... Why are there so few trans folks in third world countries? You probably think about your feelings a lot less when you're hungry. \n\nFeeling like you are not the right sex you were born as is definitely a serious problem, but it's a problem of the rich, and, God forbid, should it ever come to that point in America where every day is a true struggle for survival, I suspect the entire trans discussion will evaporate beneath the weighty concerns of the real world. Just my own two cents of course.\n\nI can empathize with not wanting be mistreated though. I had a lot of confidence issues growing up and was never really \"accepted\" for who I was. I can only suggest that if a part or the whole of your happiness relies on someone else changing, in my experience, you will never be happy. Rather, never thinking ever again about that person or group of people, letting them go, has been effective for me. Easy to say, hard to do, but definitely doable. Good luck to you.", "Did you watch the Closer?", "1) She still works at the university, so she's not \"cancelled\" \n\n2) She said that transwomen are actually men. \n\nIn my opinion, once you say something like that its kinda hard to say \"oh but I'll treat all my student fair, I promise\" \n\nI'm not the one that brought this woman up.", "It’s a small part of the show and isn’t a part of every show. Back up your point.", "I think it's either a publicity stunt or he just lost it as a comedian. His latest show was unfunny to me for the most part. The \"jokes\" about the LGBT community seemed almost emotionally charged and unfunny. But he has said he has nothing against the LGBT community as a whole. I used to be out of breath from laughing when watching his old shows, I really hope those magical moments return.", "What was she cancelled for? Her terrible Correspondent’s Dinner thing?", "I am, and sticks and stones. Killing them Softly will always be the banger tho.", "It was a small bit on the Closer. What are you talking about?", "Theres a specific word historically used to dehumanize black people that I'm sure he wouldn't enjoy being thrown at him. So it's amazing that he's so nonchalant about questioning queer existence and summing 100% of the backlash up to \"corporations are mad\".", "Dude, I'm not even sure if you know what point you were trying to make, there.", "Eddie Izzard doesn't tend to do the same material over and over either. So yeah I don't know why people think there is only one way to do it.", "I haven't been immersed in the outrage echo chamber, so I can't say exactly what other peoples problem is. But I was mainly disappointed that Chappelle used his platform to blatantly spread misinformation.\n\nIt was when he started talking about JK Rowling that caused trouble for me. He said that she was canceled just for \"saying sex is real\". I'm not really that knowledgeable about trans rights issues so this could have totally slipped past me. But I actually read the Rowling TERF essay. And that's not the part people have a problem with. What people have a problem with is the gratuitous fearmongering of her message and garbage statistics she uses to support her position.\n\nThe \"sex is real\" line isn't actually something that anyone disputes. It's just a non-sequitorial strawman that transphobes insert into their arguments so they can pretend that's what the other side is arguing with them over. When in reality they just don't like being treated like sexual predators who can't be trusted to chose the correct bathroom for themselves.\n\nI know Dave Chappelle is a smart person. So I'm only left with 3 conclusions I can possibly make:\n\n1) He didn't actually read Rowling's essay before choosing to defend it and her in his set.\n\n2) He read it and understood it its trans-exclusionary message, but he's just purposefully starting shit and stirring the pot.\n\n3) He read it and bought into the trans-exclusionary message.\n\nNone of these are flattering. Number 1 is probably the most generous interpretation I can have. But even that implies a huge amount of disrespect he must have for the trans community. To have not educated himself on this issue before making it a centerpiece of his final Netflix show. To have not read the essay or listen to what the trans community took issue with. To just take TERFs at their word that \"the transies are just mad because Rowling spoke the truth and told them that sex was real\".\n\nHe can't really hide behind the, \"oops I'm just a funny man, I meant no disrespect through my ignorance\" defense. He's been talking about this topic in his sets for years now. There's a point where simple ignorance starts to look like willful ignorance. And for me and a lot of other people Chapelle crossed that line in his last show.", "It feels like Dave is in his late period Lenny Bruce stage.", "There’s less trans people in third-world countries because they fucking kill you in those countries for being trans. Clearly you know absolutely nothing about the trans experience, please educate yourself instead of just repeating Chapelles’s talking points.", "Just raising awareness of the HRC’s complicity in crimes against women. Were you aware?", "Jay Leno on tv was never really rated. He was always mass market meh.", "This is not serious political theory, or social theory, or anything but a poorly understood descriptive idea you have somehow tortured into a prescriptive one.", "I don't care if he's making jokes about, white, black, asian oder Mexican people. \n\nTrans people are off limit, they're #1 in the oppression Olympics, it's not their fault that blacks only got the second place.", "Depends on how well you did it, Gary Owens entire Schtick is about black people, and black people love him for it cause he is a white dude who tells it how it is. Same with Robin Williams early career, literally wrote for Richard Pryor, do you think he was a racist bigot?", "ITS JUST A JOKE \n\nYeah and the joke fucking sucked\n\n…YOU CANT SAY THAT", ">Buddy, friend, pal-o-mine... this \"not dancing with me\" has been the default forever. It is only a new thing now that corporations do things because they're worried about how it makes women or black people or gay folks feel. \n\nYeah... exactly, that's not a good thing.\n\nThis isn't an argument of \"we should go back to what we were\" but an argument of \"this thing is shit and we should stop doing it\".\n\n>So yeah, we're gonna leverage the democratization of speech for a fucking change\n\nWho the fuck are we? Cancelling isn't some organised movement. If it is then holy shit why are people arguing it doesn't even exist?\n\n> So we can say hey, corporations, you need to accept this good speech and not be tolerant of this bad speech.\n\nYou do realise this is litterally what the Nazis did right?\n\nYou're essentially taking justice by attempting to exploit the system you yourself deem immoral rather than trying to remove the system that causes these issues.\n\nAgain, dancing with the devil.", "Yeah I'm sorry you've lost me.\n\nIs english your first language? Trying to give you a fair shot but you're bordering on a troll.", "Did you completely forget the video you just watched? His film was cancelled. People want him removed from Netflix. It's perfectly acceptable to boycott a show or film, and tell others to boycott it. But it crosses a line when you ask for it to be removed and deplatformed because you don't like what someone is saying.", "It was a pretty large part of his latest netflix show. I don't have to back up my point its my opinion. Sometimes the gay/trans jokes go on too long and its like beating a dead horse.", ">everyone quoted the same little bits\n\nwhich is exactly what you'd expect if they had specific issues with specific things he said? you're pulling evidence out of thin air, sounds like you decided on your own that they hadn't seen the act because you like Dave Chappelle and you want to dismiss his critics.", "It seemed to have gotten progressively worse over the last few specials. There were a couple good moments of humor in the last one but the bulk of it felt like a rant.", "My bigger problem is that he isn’t funny. He has lost his timing. He has also retreated into a set of jokes from a cultural microcosm that doesn’t export very well. Now he has two problems: his comic timing is off and his material doesn’t resonate with more than half the global audience. And the data from Sales is telling him this in ways he cannot ignore.", "Because this is a free country. This isn't a country where some rich company can do whatever they want and no one is allowed to say anything about it. \n\nAnd I understand where these people are coming from. Trans people take a lot of fucking abuse, man.", ">Since his comeback, Chappelle has been front and centre not so much as a comedian, but as an orator with a cause\n\nExactly my view and therefore I found it unfunny for the most part.", "If you're trying to identify which group causes more annoyance, and you're pitting one man (Dave Chapelle) against a hoard of thousands of whining crybabies (most of Reddit) then the hoard of crybabies is far more annoying. \n\nAs for your jab about English being my first language or not (no idea how you came to that conclusion), hopefully this settles the matter for you. But if you want more examples of my ability to string English words together, you have my entire comment history to indulge yourself in.", "Criminality usually requires a victim. How strange! I don't see any victim anywhere, just a woman that moved on after a 4 year relationship with a sitcom performer and living her life pursuing her career. Do you see the problem? You don't have a victim, you don't know her, you are not related to her in any way and this comes off as an obsession on your part.\n\n\n>He took advantage of a kid!\n\n\nOh no how horrible! ANYWAY...", "I would still classify him as a predator. Maybe it's not illegal, but he definitely did go out of his way to date someone who had no life experience because they were in HIGH SCHOOL.", "His “How old is 15 really?” isnt exactly attacking pedophiles\n\nhttps://youtu.be/75XKGVwGEt4", "This is my primary issue with Closer. He didn't even try to make it a comedy show. It was a 60 minute rant about how black people are more oppressed than white people and there are white trans people therefore the trans community is the enemy of black people. With a couple of relatively light and singular jokes peppered throughout.\n\nAnyone telling me they laughed all the way through are either lying, they're a fucking idiot who will laugh at anything, or they outright agree with the weird bigotry from the show.", "He is trying to defend his people, the comedians.\nThe US is spearheading a movement that started with a great and important cause, but is heading toward massive censorship. The comedians job is to push buttons and hold up, sometimes painful (or even ignorant), mirrors to society and/or individuals. The Western world is accepting a pitch fork movement to prohibit opinions and content, when in fact you have to outsmart and outeducate them.\nAs a german with Jewish roots i despised nazis all my life. yet, Im still happy Mein Kampf is for sale, however rotten (or to be honest straight up bad) it might be.", "Screw him. Another hypocrite that’s stuck in the 1980’s. Turns out his jokes adressing racism really were a joke. Never was thàt funny either. Tbh I’d forgotten about him until now.", "Yeah, he didn't explain a single thing or address a single thing about his stance on transgender people, his understanding of the term TERF, or any sort of addressing of his final joke (claiming that trans people have more privilege than black people, saying they are \"punching down\" on his people?). He came there to stroke his ego, and try to sell his movie.", "Well you let me know if you find a way to opt out of specific things your tax money goes to", "Ahh, I get it. You assert your opinions as facts.\n\nYeah, my bad. I mistook you as a good faith debater and was confused by your spotty ability to form a coherent thought.", "Yeah, that was awesome.", "I mean...it is my opinion that thousands of people who are slightly annoying are more annoying on the whole than one single person. I hardly think that's controversial. And I also don't think that's \"arguing in bad faith.\" Ironically, that's what you're doing, accusing me of being a troll, or of not speaking English as a first language. Meanwhile I'm just trying to make points. Pot, meet kettle.", "No I was scrolling thru the thread and this big chunk of text was very noticeable lol", "That's exactly personal bias bahaha wth", "Dave Chappelle can do whatever he wants. But if he's going to wade out into trans issues in every one of his specials it would be nice if he educated himself on them first. Because at this point he's just spreading misinformation. \n\nHe's been talking about this shit for years. Mainly from the perspective of bemoaning the backlash he's received for some of the ignorant things he's said. He knows people are touchy about this subject, he knows that the trans community is a marginalized and poorly understood group. So either educate yourself so you can stop saying ignorant shit or stop talking about the subject so you can stop saying ignorant shit.", "I think she had a good sense of humour.", "It was terrible. She was the only one laughing", "What is your basis for that belief", "You want him cancelled because you don’t like it? \n\nJust don’t watch it.", "He filmed the special prior to it airing. There was at least a few hundred people in attendance (that we could see). Reviewers will actively attempt to get seats at upcoming specials so they can write up a review prior to launch.\n\nEven if that was a one-time set two weeks before the debut, there was at least 200 or so people who knew the content of the show. Many likely work in media.", "Yeah, and I really get offended at that, there's actual sex predators and actual efforts to stop it and police it, and I think it makes light of it. It's just really insulting to actual victims and belittles their experiences when you compare it to a legal 4 year long consensual relationship.", "I'd like to add a qualifier that I would consider important: if it is a societal debate that has already been resolved in favor of a group of people who have historically suffered from prejudice, resulting in an improvement in their lives, and revisiting that debate/reversing the decision would take away those hard-won rights from that group, then this is an argument in bad faith.", "Where did I say that I wanted him canceled? Are you mentally slow ?", "It's also kinda funny to think that everyone in the world needs to know everything about US politics and scandals. US is just one country.", "How many people would have know Dave was going on a tour to screen his film if he had just flew under the radar vs now where he's yelling about how his film is \"cancelled\" or whatever. \n\nCan you not see a PR stunt for what it is?\n\nHe's gonna sell all those dates out.", "It’s just my opinion. I don’t have to back it up.", "\"questioning queer existence \"\n\nCan you explain this?", "Are you seriously claiming they did see it? The writers didn't even claim they saw it. I've never even heard anyone suggest they saw it until right now. \n\n\nThey read it and heard through hearsay like everyone else. I can't even believe you're questioning that", "How did you manage to get offended by even that?", "> I hardly think that's controversial.\n\nAlso an opinion.\n\n> And I also don't think that's \"arguing in bad faith.\"\n\nPositing your opinions as fact and then acting incredulous when people are confused about the logic of those facts is pretty boilerplate bad-faith.\n\n> Ironically, that's what you're doing, accusing me of being a troll, or of not speaking English as a first language.\n\nI was genuinely asking because I was confused due to not understanding that you present your opinion as if it's fact. Something you could have cleared up much earlier instead of giving word salad responses. I wouldn't have responded at all if I knew that upfront.\n\nNo offense but some advanced English or 'how to structure your argument' classes would serve you well.\n\nAll that said, best of luck.", "The whole terf section of the show was him outright saying that gender dysphoria isn't real and hell refuse to acknowledge it.\n\nIt'd be like a \"comedian\" from 100 years ago going on rant about how black people aren't human and he'll refuse to acknowledge it.\n\nMinor correction, I should have said \"denying queer existence\".", "> You do realise this is litterally what the Nazis did right?\n\nTreating people differently? Yeah. The thing you need to understand here is that the reasons Nazis treated people differently were bad, and the reasons we're asking for different treatment here are good. I thought the bit about one of your children crashing a car should have clued you in, but I can see we need to get more explicit, so try this:\n\n>Why do police arrest this guy for breaking into your house, but they do not arrest you for having your house broken into? That is unequal treatment. Surely, the police should arrest both of you!\n\nDoes that make sense to you? Why would we arrest the homeowner who was sleeping peacefully in bed and did nothing more than call 911 when they heard someone break into some room downstairs? The police are treating these two people--the burglar and the homeowner--differently, but it is predicated on one of those people having committed a crime. \n\nLike, locking folks up for years seems kinda rude. It can really ruin their life. And the police and justice system do abuse their authority to lock people away, often in very unfair ways. But the fact that these systems might target people based on race and have uneven sentences and all of that other shit doesn't mean that there's a fundamental flaw with the notion that \"someone who commits a crime should be subject to justice\". We should keep arresting burglars--that's the Nazis on our platforms in this analogy--and stop having disparate sentencing and police abuse directed at minorities or poor people. We can reform the criminal justice system, police system, incarceration system, etc., to excise the bad things, while retaining the one thing we'd like them to do.\n\nWhen the Nazis say \"we need to round up Jews because they're Jews\", that's bad. When we say \"kick Nazis off your platform\", that's good. Good and bad things exist. Not all things are good and bad in equal measure. I hope this has cleared things up for you. If it hasn't, you need more help than you're gonna get in random internet comments, so good luck and take it the fuck elsewhere I guess.", "Hm. Interesting ty", "Even beyond that though, you can critique gay people, although I think his take is awful, and be punching horizontally I guess but I would find it incredibly hard to argue that being black is worse than being trans. A 40% attempted suicide rate is no joke and only 60% of the US population even outwardly say it's okay to be trans. Literally Dave himself said he's a Terf and I don't think he's joking. I don't think anyone can say \"I'm a white supremacist\" unironically and have people be split 50/50 on whether that's okay or not.", "I'm not offended lmao \n\nJust found it cringy", "I'll bite, how does a special that no one had seen become hearsay? \n\nReviewers and critics get advance copies of all kinds of media to generate hype BEFORE it is released to the public. This is a normal practise in the entertainment industry. It's possible some reviewers didn't watch it, that's not even my point. My point is that it's more reasonable to default to the position that they did and that you don't have sufficient evidence to convincingly claim that they didn't.", "To me, the biggest problem in his latest special is that Chappelle discredits all his critics as just \"quoting a 16 year old article\" and that they don't listen to what he is saying.\n\nThe lack of self awareness in complaining about people not listening to him while not listening to them is unfathomable.\n\nIf he actually had engaged with and tried to understand his critics he could've made something worthwhile, because he has some things to say here. But as long as it is more important to him to paint himself as a victim than it is to actually listen, nothing worthwhile can come of it.\n\nWhen he sides with JK Rowling and completely misrepresents what it is JK Rowling is criticized for I think it comes from a place of ignorance. But, it is a place of willful ignorance. Anything that paints the trans-community as unreasonable and himself as a victim he latches onto.", "Dont worry, you dont need to repeat yourself. It’s pretty obvious you cant hold a conversation nor understand anything I said. I dont know why I bothered with a conspiracy nut right winger in the first place.", "Jk Rowling is just such a raging misandrist that her hate crosses over to transwomen as she sees them ss men", "I don't even believe people claiming this are serious, get the fuck out of here with that absolute bullshit. You know it's not true. \n\n\nBecky from Slate didn't go get tickets to the Chappelle show, she read it from someone else and repeated it. Get fucking real. \n\n\nPeople are so fucking dishonest about this shit. You know you're making shit up and you're just saying it anyway. \n\n\nThat's no someone who was 'reviewing' the show...the people who reviewed it wrote about the actual show. Becky didn't.", "Dude there are people who call in death threats to tv stations when a character starts wearing different clothing. Crazy people gonna crazy. Let's not make grand sweeping statements about society based on what a handful of perpetually online people tweet about to their 60 followers.", ">Kathleen Stock is an academic at a UK university that is in huge trouble simply for questioning the idea of whether gender identity is more important than biological sex.\n\nIs she in huge trouble? From who - a few radical people who disagreed with her publication? Radical opposition to a whole range of ideas has existed since forever. It's hardly symbolic of an overwhelming wave of 'cancel culture'. The University of Sussex publically backed her. Hard to see how she's been cancelled when she's still teaching and publishing exactly as she was before. Not an example of instances where people 'have lost their jobs, been fired, been deplatformed, had events cancelled, been slandered over mainstream media'.\n\n>Maya Forstater was fired from the Center for Global Development think tank in the UK for simply tweeting that she doesn't believe you can change biological sex.\n\nNot exactly, there's a lot more nuance to it than simply 'tweeting that she doesn't believe you can change biological sex'. If she had simply tweeted 'You can't change biological sex' then I'm sure nothing would have come of it. But it's about context and it's far more nuanced than you suggest (regarding the argument of sex vs gender). In fact, different levels of the English court system are trying to work it all out.\n\n>Even JK Rowling is getting declined from events because of her thoughtful essay that questions the extents of gender identity versus biological sex and women's spaces.\n\nNot being invited to events because your views don't align to that of the event is hardly being cancelled. She is one of the most powerful and platformed women in the world. I hardly think her not being invited to a few events is her being 'cancelled' any more than an anti-Semite not being invited to a celebration of Jewish culture is (yes, it's an reductio ad absurdum) but this obsession with a cancel culture is just that - absurd.\n\nSo I'm not really convinced by these examples that there's widespread issues of firings and people losing their livelihoods for raising 'commonly' held beliefs.", "Tldr, you can continue to mald paragraphs about your extreme insecurity issues and self identifying as a racist white person, i really dont care that much.", "Ok can you tell any of us where he denied queer people exist? I'm seeing a whole lot of people making ridiculous claims about thinks Dave \"said\" that he just didn't say.", "I prefer not to participate in these discussions because they're always so sterile, but just be aware that people are not mad because their feelings are hurt.\n\nPeople are mad because to them this show has consequences in how trans people live their lives. Chapelle's words don't stop at the end of his show. They're in people's minds and from there they will continue living in society, they'll translate into (some) people watching it seeing trans people differently, treating them poorly, some violent transphobes will feel legitimised when they see that all his negative imagery is widely accepted throughout the population, etc.\n\nIt's so short-sighted to think that if you don't like this show it's because your feefees are hurt and you can just decide not to watch. Most people don't like it because it makes transphobia acceptable in public discourse with all the real-life consequences it can have on trans people. Most people are not deeply transphobic and will not become awful just because they've seen this show. But the people that are will feel legitimised by it and might act differently in the end.", "No one mentions the comment thats probably the most offensive. He said \"terfs say that being trans is like black face and I gotta agree\". which doesnt make any sense and is way more offensive than any of the other things he said.", "Think he has a problem with the start of that relationship rather than the 4th year don't you think? How long it went on is a non sequitur.", "Yeah, cool. I find Chappelle not funny at all. Potato, potato. I laughed my ass off watching the White House correspondents dinner - no one there was laughing because she was talking about those very people. Balls as big as watermelons.", "He said that being trans is like doing black face.", "Did I imagine an audience in the show? Did I make the whole thing up? Maybe the special didn't even happen at all.\n\nYou're the one making completely unsubstantiated claims about an early review and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Does \"Becky\" even exist? Is she human or made of straw? \n\nIf there is an early review there were at least 200 people who knew of the exact contents of the show, not to mention all those who worked on the show in editing and production. It wasn't live, it didn't happen in a vacuum.\n\nGet real you silly fuck.", "Dude you're not kidding so I know somebody that would warm up audiences at a comedy club she was a comedian but you know she didn't tour she worked for the club and she told me like just how f**** awful like it could be. Connie in general is one of those things that's just like I mean I guess everybody has their own taste you know is very difficult to not after night make an audience of kind of random people laugh and the club she work for like wasn't you know some hole in the wall many famous comics went through there a few you guys would definitely know had albums recorded there but she told me about the cash thing I remember that part because I thought you know it was kind of weird and she told me just what you said she also told me how f** drunk and f* up just everyone was trying to manage a comedy club but also the comedians themselves sometimes they show up drunk high barely able to do a show I mean when you listen to a comedy album you're hearing the the best of them you're not hearing like this on average night.\n\nShe went on to invent comedy traffic school so she's not exactly doing bad financially anyway I worry about her health though you know she's getting a little older and she's hilarious she's well known by a lot of people in City Hall you know because she helps put on events parades and stuff for the city I live in a city that has a lot of like it's own little kind of culture that a lot of people from elsewhere wouldn't quite understand but but everybody from here you know it kind of binds us together whether you're black white or whatever doesn't matter but like she helps organize a number of you can imagine a large city's parades for some kind of an event they'd be pretty big affairs.\n\nI got her business card it's hilarious because like in the background of the card is a North Korean parade for Kim jong-il you know with like the missiles and the giant photo it's really funny like you are business cards is telling jokes and we would drink together at a bar down the street before covid unfortunately that f* everything up not only did I lose my job because this f** stupid ass virus and so I can't exactly afford to go to the bar and buy $5 beers but you know she was one of the people in the risk group so I I I hope she's doing okay I need to send an email she said she got so bored of Connie and that's why I like we got along pretty well because she got to be herself safely and she said I generally was pretty funny and she like my girlfriend too you know she's funny too. she started working for a company that actually is a huge supplier for things in my industry probably the largest I I know they have the largest test bed for free for the items certain kind of items that we would source from them you know so they can certify and recertify and whatnot but you know I think she worked kind of like a vice president for this company which is way outside anything to do with comedy or entertainment and she said she only does it because she's bored and she she actually likes the guy you know the the guy that owns it he's really cool I've been to a few like crawfish boils and cook-offs and stuff with them and man they know how to do it right anyway that's a weird memory but we'd be sitting at the bar riffing I mean just like telling jokes back and forth back and forth back and forth just making each other laugh like a like crazy because I once considered becoming a comedian.\n\nNormally I turn it off but you know if I hear something or if I feel comfortable you know I'll get it going and it's fun like to to riff back and forth jokes, and and like she was sharp as a tach because she'd always have something funny to say in response to something that I thought you know was like a mic drop kind of deal and then she would say something else and it was just like next level but having to be in that mode all the time I think will drive nuts it really would I'm a natural storyteller. \n\nI could stand up in front of an audience and just tell stories and be happy The problem is in our culture like that's not really a thing so much like the stories have to be funny and Dave Chappelle along with some other comedians sort of fit within that scope because a lot of people here are complaining about his specials but he's more of a natural storyteller and that's what he's doing He's standing up there telling you guys a story that has funny s* as being part of it. Eddie Murphy and a lot of the Latino comedians would do that and and if you miss them you can just catch a Carlos mencia special, they weren't as funny because the timing mencia would yell I don't know what the hell was going on with that period of the '90s you know or like comedians yelled Jay Moore oh man there's other guy hate like that was his thing he would just like yell s* and I don't know why that made it into a joke because it was a story kind of but but he was like conditioning the audience because like once you understood the rules I guess if he yell then you were kind of conditioned then to laugh whether it was funny or not and I think maybe that's what was going on is that was being figured out. I respect Dave chappelle's specials if only because he's not trying to condition his audience because nowadays the comedians or talk show hosts that use comedy whatever that are TV they tend to rely on this type of conditioning and you'll find it their routines follow a very predictable pattern but it's subtle enough to where you only have to watch maybe one and you're now conditioned like you're laughing or maybe just breathing a little bit harder out of your nose whatever but they're getting attention by conditioning you and they're drawing attention to things which makes it dangerous. \n\nDave Chappelle has danced around saying that He's talked about nearly everything else about the trouble he's had you know going all the way back to like before the days fell show but it's one of those things that you can't just if you talk about it that's the end of your career kind of and if you're if you want to become a you know b pay me kind of comedian you can't reveal that secret it goes all the way back I watched the Abbott and Costello's who's on first it's on YouTube and it was probably a million years since I saw it but there it was I noticed they would use the bat hitting the stage because when they started telling the story before the jokes got you know absurd and and and genuinely funny I mean they were funny but the you aren't laughing at the story you were laughing at the situation revolving around trying to tell it and maybe that was a new idea in the 40s and 50s either way in their routines they use these sort of hypnotic ways of conditioning you to laugh when when they want you to.\n\nStart paying attention be woke and notice the Dave Chappelle specials he doesn't really do that he really does kind of just tell a story that has funny s* as part of it like anyone will tell a story and you know play up the funny s* and so him telling a story about this controversy is probably from the heart I am a disaster when it comes to gender I mean who f* knows I was somewhere on a spectrum I don't even know where from day to day it's just spaghetti like kind of spaghetti you get when you fall into a black hole but anyway so I'm part of that community and I don't see why there's controversy in the first place it feels like it's been manufactured because views don't mean anything anymore\n\nWhen it comes to the media you will find that now the most important thing is engagement and the only way to get you to engage with some form of media which then guarantees that you will tolerate what becomes propaganda basically, controversy is what drives the greatest amount of engagement. and if you read this you might not immediately understand how powerful this ability is but just understand it only takes a hundred million dollars paid to Facebook to cause a 1% change in the behavior of you know most of the people on earth.", "Pryor died 16 years ago...", "Alright, it's finally time for me to speak on this subject after a lot of thought.", "Thanks for trying. I read the whole thing. I agree with you. I also think in a way the other poster is right too. This is a fucking backwards planet in a lot of ways and fairly conservative and reactionary most of the time. This special probably does resonate with a lot of people. And it probably feels good to Chapelle to get all those crowds of people applauding him. Getting into the nitty gritty/grey area is fucking exhausting and not often very rewarding, not like being defensive and self-righteous and reactionary and supremely confident in your opinions.", "And the Reviewers REVIEWED it. \n\n\nThe other 5000 little twitter journalists she lifted 1 or 2 lines and wrote social pieces. \n\n\nDo you understand the difference? \n\n\nIm honestly stunned someone is claiming the audience must have been full of a couple of thousand 26 y/o Berkeley English lit majors. \n\n\nYou honestly can't possibly believe that. \n\n\nDo you REALLY think that? Like take a breath, are you seriously claiming this is true?", "\"they\". Who tf are they? A handful of people on Twitter. Are you aware that every single celebrity and tv show is constantly getting death threats from psychos for things like.... Their favorite character got written out of the show. Or.... Because they cheated on their spouse. Etc. \n\nLike i guarantee that Blake Shelton got some death threats when he started dating Gwen Stefani. That's about the same amount of fucks i give about... People calling for XYZ show to be pulled. It's just seriously not a problem for most of society to worry about.", "hes a comedian. telling a joke well is his job. it has nothing to do w his wife.", "I did check your comment history which is exactly how I know you’re a moron. You’re completely oblivious to how publicity works if you actually think chappelle isnt massively profiting from controversy. I dont care who he name dropped because it doesnt matter. Your evidence for buying into everything he says is “he accused people of something”. Lol okay. \n\nYou accused the other person you were arguing with of the same thing, by the way, but I think I already knew you struggle a lot with comprehension. \n\nI already stated that there’s quite a lot of reason to not believe him (you’re legitimately delusional if you think he doesn’t benefit from making massive drama about how he’s being cancelled, are you fucking serious? It’s literally his only content now). \n\nAnd after acting completely lost you spout “youre putting words in my mouth”. Lol ok buddy. I just really hate you for no good reason, that must make more sense than you being completely lost and not understanding anything that’s said to him.", "I just said it. He went on a rant about how trans women aren't women after calling himself a terf. The primary thing terfs advocate on is that they refuse to believe or acknowledge that gender dysphoria in men exists. They deny the existence of queer people.", "Take your own advice, dude. Work on your reading comprehension while you’re at it.", "You're absolutely full of shit, I know you don't believe what you're saying, so fuck off. \n\n\nAll these white girls were at the show, that must be how it was, they all went to the show and then all went home and wrote the exact same thing about the same 2 sentences. Very plausible Good job, you're an idiot.", "It's definitely not getting fired at work over workplace allegations. \n\nPeople have been getting fired from jobs as long as there have been jobs.\n\nIf it's wrongful termination, that sucks and you feel for someone wrongfully accused at work, but that isn't cancel culture.", "Where are the jokes in the video? I only hear him ranting.", "What in the fuck are you talking about? No part of the relationship was illegal. \n\n\nI don't care what some fucking dipshit thinks, stop belittling actual sex crime victims, Jesus fucking christ.", "That doesn't have anything to do with the subject, at all. You can take the crusade elsewhere.", "Hasan called it \"divorced dad energy\" and it made me sad because it was so true. The worst kind of comedy, like something you'd see on a plaque at Applebee's. Or your uncle winking at you while asking if your Asian girlfriend has a sideways vagina. It's just \"comedy\" based on willful ignorance about other people.\n\nThat's the worst part, Chappelle used to be such an insightful person. Now he'd rather just give in to his simplest instincts about things instead of learn. Plus he made it clear that black people are no longer his people. With his defenses of Jk Rowling and Caitlyn Jenner, it's clear the rich are now his people.", "Irony’s fascinating.", ">ou think people not liking you is cancel culture. Dave n\n\nIf someone tried to shoot you and missed would you be mad or scared? I mean they missed after all, whats to be worried about? \n\n\nOh thats right that is dumb as fuck thinking.", "Using that phrase is offensive to native americans and is completely disrespectful to their culture and the history of suffering. It's also a misunderstanding of what the monuments represent.", "You're angry over a completely unsubstantiated notion, provide links or stop acting like a fucking baby. I don't know what fucking imaginary permanently outraged world you live in inside your head. Seems to be a fucking blizzard though.\n\nGrow up douche. I tried to talk to you like an adult, I apologize for doing so.", "Okay, three-day-old-account.", "That's a fair qualifier.", "I desperately need you to scroll up to the comment I first replied to and reread the part where you said \"reviews\" and not \"twitter comments\"", "Oh really it doesn't describe a behavior he doesn't mention cash and the wanting of it it doesn't mention the attitude oh wait it totally does it's not that uncommon to run into some kind of celebrity or person that is rather well known The uncommon part is running into them in a situation where they have turned off their public persona", "You're the only one making up this concepts that journalist who didn't even claim to see it saw it. That's psycho. \n\n\nYou're a fucking dipshit defending stuff with total nonsense. \n\n\nI'm just gonna assume you're American and move on.", "He wasn't cancelled after his last bad trans sexual joke. All he is really attempting to do, likely successfully, is shine a light on a small problem to make it big. So he brings the bit into his show to intentionally cause controversy, a small group protests and has a loud voice and now \"all liberals want to cancel Dave Chappelle because they're all soft wimps!\" Twitter isn't the \"world\" and the 12 Netflix employees that protested have their right. Dave could ignore it like a good comedian should, but again, he wants to fabricate this exact scenario.", "I agree that some people aren't really listening to the entire context of his words. For example, I think he calls himself a transphobe to purposely deflect from criticism so he can engage the audience with his beliefs instead of them just judging him.\n\nBut then he calls himself team terf and it is just so clear he doesn't even know what terfs get up to and why they are so harmful. He's a useful idiot, he hears \"biology is real\" and agrees without realizing that mental bamboozling that phrase is.", "\"I hardly think that's controversial\" is an opinion stated in plain English. You can tell it's opinion because I put myself in the sentence with the words \\I think. Perhaps this means you're still learning English. Are you a troll?\n\nI even provided a framework to back up my opinion numerically (one person is annoying, but thousands of slightly annoying people are more annoying). I never stated my opinions as fact.\n\nThe accusation of \"word salad\" is a common tactic of the lazy reader who doesn't actually read. Which makes me wonder about what classes you've actually taken. Making an argument requires stringing together facts to make a persuasive statement. All you've done is epitomize bad-faith argumentation while in the same breath offering your own version of it. I cannot think of anything more ironic.", "George Carline doesn't explicitly punch down. He literally even discussed it on a talk show.", "My friend was one of Andrew Cuomo’s victims.\n\nI am just trying to raise awareness of HRC’s complicity in protecting my friend’s abuser.\n\nFeel free to stop linking to HRC or using them as a source. Your linking to them confers legitimacy to them.", "She wasn't a consenting adult when they started dating", "You're not understanding at all the point I'm making.\n\nGood and bad are very very relative, what is good today might be bad tomorrow, bad today was good in the past.\n\nMorality grows and evolves. I hope to be considered a bigot in the future because it would mean society has progressed passed me.\n\nWith this in mind the argument should be about the morality of the tools not what they are currently being used for.\n\nThe tools being used are immoral, they make the world worse. They have been actively used throughout history to oppress and disinfranchise. Voting for the use of tools that were used against you is completely nonsensical and childish\n\nIf you have been hurt by this... Fight against its existence... Not to utilise it for your own needs.\n\nDamning the nazis while doing the same thing \"in the right direction\" is lunacy.\n\nConvincing yourself \"it's OK when I do it\" is exactly what every group did when they fucked someone over. Telling yourself you're different is naive at best, immoral at worst. \n\n>so good luck and take it the fuck elsewhere I guess.\n\nLol", "I heard it as more referring to the white LGBTQ+ which is treated better than POC in the LGBTQ+ community. Because you can still use your white privilege being white despite your gender or sexuality. If your black, Latino, or another minority AND part of the LGBTQ+ community your not gonna have an easy time. And it’s not about who has it worse it’s more about awareness. You really can’t compare the black community has been through in America since day 1. Slavery, forced breeding, kidnapping, torture, rape, systematic racism, lynching, Jim Crowe laws, etc. Being trans and black is hard AF, because of transphobia in the black community, transphobia in the gay community, racial discrimination and even discrimination within the trans community itself.", "17", "Also where the fuck was the joke in that \"bit\". I've heard people do decent comedy lampooning the trans community (usually by trans people) but his \"comedy\" on the subject has gone from haha I identify as an airplane (a dumb tired joke) to just straight up mask off old man transphobic rants.", "Thanks it's so much work to unpack why simple terf catchphrases are so problematic and pernicious, thanks for bringing it up here.", "Yeah that still fucking bonkers. Its basically taking advantage of people with no life experience that have no idea what they are doing.", "Yeah, i don't think I'll watch it. Someone give me a heads up when he goes back to doing comedy.", "> My friend was one of Andrew Cuomo’s victims.\n\nThat's awful. But this isn't the venue to air that.\n\n> Feel free to stop linking to HRC or using them as a source. Your linking to them confers legitimacy to them.\n\nWhether I link to them or not in no way changes the fact that, for better or worse, they are considered one of the organizations that represents the LGBTQ+ community.\n\nIt is also the case that any sufficiently large organization is going to have problems, and I'm sure the HRC is no different. On balance, HRC has been a force for good. It's possible to acknowledge that both are true.", "Aren't too much shy of being 40 for those that have trouble with math that makes me 39 for some reason because at some point you just stay the same age do the whole year and it clicks over but that doesn't matter The point is on the inside I definitely feel younger I think you reach a certain age and even if you grow as a person you generally don't feel older as you go on you know I feel kind of eternally 19 or 20 or something like that but could or would I go through the effort of dating an 18 year old f*** no. I don't have a limitless amount of energy My social battery you know is about as good as an original one from an iPhone 6 where it wants it was great but you can't just replace the social battery I mean we can't simply replace an iPhone battery either but you could when you still can I think I've done it for iPhone 6. The like the biggest age cab I ever had was I was 30 dating a 22-year-old and it wasn't for that long like 6 months baby but it wouldn't have worked if she was under 21. There's so many things that we put behind that age I'll just get pissed basically you know I don't want to go to a bar I want to go to a club I don't want I want to do something sometime..", "I don't understand how his comments make anyone unsafe or reduce anyone's access to employment, housing, healthcare, voting, marriage or life. \n\nI do understand it upset people. We can all live with being upset.", "Ok now you're all hoping on the downvote train because your emotional but you said \"queer\" which I thought meant gay?", "No it doesn't. \n\n\nOne person is speaking on behalf of everyone, the other person is saying that not everyone feels that way and that that is his feelings. \n\n\nThis is really basic stuff.", "You make a random claim about a review you totally read a week before the show aired. You provide no links, but I take you at your word. I use logic to make sense of it and now I'm making shit up? \n\nJournos are regularly attending comedy shows, especially when that comedian is dave chappelle and it's well known in advance that it's going to be filmed for his much anticipated upcoming million dollar Netflix special.\n\nYou're so outraged and it's fascinating.\n\nEven if what you read was just some nobody who watched his 60 minute rant about trans people and told their friends who all reported it, it doesn't suddenly make the criticism invalid. It was a terrible special.", "He hates Asian people. Typical for racist people that they have an Asian wife though", "In a Netflix special, Seinfeld mixes in many of his early jokes. They are absolutely the best jokes id heard him tell in years. Which is really sad. His schtick now is, like, \"hey, being out of touch is something to be proud of, are you with me, people?\" No. No, you lost us.", ">The \"sex is real\" line isn't actually something that anyone disputes. \n\nIf that was true, then nobody would have any problem with terms like \"female anatomy\" or \"male anatomy\". But they do. That is why they're saying \"non-prostate havers\" and \"prostate havers\". The Lancet recently referred to female bodies as \"bodies with vaginas\".", "You know who's had it too good for too long? Trans people. They need to learn to be the butt of the joke, and have open discourse about their entire existance. Because that hasn't been the norm forever or anything. I'm so glad someone's taking them down a peg! /s", "He denied trans people exist. That's what a terf is. He understood perfectly what that meant.", "You chose to be lazy with your sentences above to the point of confusion.\n\nDon't blame me for your intellectual laziness.", "Remember when segura said retard and the world caught on fire", "I've seen his stand up 3x over the last 20 years and I can emphatically say his stand-up is not very good", "Daphne was never actually ridiculed online by the trans community. Dave simply implied during the special that \"maybe that happened and maybe that made things a little worse for her, who knows?\" but looking online and personal statements by Daphne's friends and family have said that this is entirely false and had nothing to do with Daphne's death.", "We are in the Age of Outrage and Hyperbole. By and large, words have lost most of their meaning, if not all.", "Damn its almost like \"Cancel Culture\" isn't a real thing and its a nebulous phrase that means whatever the person saying it needs it to mean.", "Didn't down vote you, but just FYI, queer is kind of a catch all term for the full rainbow, usually referring to anyone who isn't just homosexual. Trans, nonbinary, gender non-conforming, etc. Are all in there. I can't imagine Dave limits his criticism to only transwomen, though in fairness that did seem to be the primary target of his criticism.", "Interestingly though, most people who like it seem to be though. What's up with that?", "What misinfo did he spread?", "Dave Chappelle, I remember that name, he was a comedian. Who is this boring dude that stole his name?", "It wasn't a review, Reviews are fine. \n\n\nI've said I'm not talking about reviews. \n\n\nYes it was a terrible special ,it wasn't funny at all. You're not even understanding what I said because you're just being a fucking troll. \n\n\nIf you want to think all these twitter trolls and HuffPo writers all attended the show, you're a psycho, but go ahead and believe that and think Trump won your election and Q exists ore whatever other shit you psychos believe.", "... yeah. I can imagine he got three sheets to the wind before the \"comedy\" started, too, and he could've done this bit for an hour or 5 minutes and felt like he was done and got off stage with the same mic-drop enthusiasm. \n\nSo again, yeah.", "As far as I can tell it wasn't anything. You've clearly made it all up just so you can be outraged.", "\"I told some incendiary jokes about a marginalized community and now they're protesting me. Waah waah! Free speech! Waah waah!\" - Dave Chapelle!", "He didn't say that regarding women in general. He said that regarding white woman that benefited from slavery as well. There is nothing wrong in that statement.", "Yes and absolutely yes.", "I do hope you're not talking about the netflix employees who walked out, because removing the special was literally not one of their goals. If you read them, it was all improving work conditions for trans employees as well as more trans inclusion in leadership positions.", "And the time he tried to uncancel himself because he wanted the money he lost because he canceled himself.", "They started dating when she was 17. This was well known at the time, and well documented in the gossip rags of the day.", "Dude shut the fuck up you don't give a shit about the victims. It really doesn't matter whether she's 17 1/2 or 18, it's the same thing. The 18 is an arbitrary line and he took advantage of someone who has no clue how anything works.", "yeah jkr controversy aside, these days it is becoming very common in progressive circles to believe that there is literally no such thing as sex. it's wild", "r/videos and r/pics are really toxic lately. Might be time for me to leave.", "No on is belittling sex crim victims, you are over reacting and misunderstanding people's points...", "Dave's current style of comedy is equivalent to Carrot top using props, or Gallagher smashing watermelons. Dude, get a new topic. We don't care.", "Can you tell me what Cancel Culture is?\n\nI thought I had a pretty clear cut definition but I'm open to your interpretation.", "Oh ok, I think you misunderstood what I was talking about, I said if you look back at reviews of his past shows, you can see he did not do the set from this special at his past tour dates. \n\n\nThe person I was replying to claimed Chappelle must have done this 'Closer' material many times, I was saying if you read reviews from past shows, he didn't. \n\nThen the 2nd paragraph is talking about journalists and other people who only quoted a few lines. That's different people, different writers, talking about a different show.", "Actions and choices reveal intent and true character.\n\nThe president of HRC acted in favor of the rich, politically powerful straight white abuser named Andrew Cuomo.\n\nWas that just a quirky one-off mistake? Or an example deeper pattern, one that just happened to be “caught”?\n\nWhat does this type action say about the true intent and character of the HRC?\n\nYes, with cooperation with Cuomo (and with Bill Clinton), they helped pass some good laws. But at what cost to their victims?\n\nYou say HRC has been a force for good on balance, but with some unintentional problems. \n\nBy that yardstick, was Andrew Cuomo also a force for good, on balance? Is Dave Chappelle also a force for good, on balance? Isn’t almost everybody a force for good on balance?", "That JK Rowling was canceled for \"saying sex is real\". When in reality she was canceled for emotionally charged fearmongering and peddling deceptive and baseless statistics in service of her point. She paints trans women as just men in drag and doesn't want to let them into her bathroom.", "Their point seems to be they want to use terms referring to people who commit sex crimes to refer to a consensual adult relationship and they don't see anything the matter with that. \n\n\nHow do you justify that?", "I don’t think he’s saying they have it worse. He’s saying they are given less empathy. As he pointed out with the story about the gay man calling the police on him, being LGBTQ does not remove you from the issues of race", "Aaaaand there it is", "I mean there are actual real life protests out of Netflix headquarters. This is quite a lot more than some twitter idiots. He is well within reason to address this bullshit", "besides this nonsense Chappelle hasn't been funny for a long time", "Boo fucking hoo.\n\nWhen people are literally walking off their jobs and doing shit they know will get them canned to speak out about you: \"Oh well, fuck off.\"\n\nWhen all that attention makes the people you want to deal with not want to deal with you: \"Erm, perhaps I was a little hasty...\"\n\nDude has been, is, and will forever be self centered. If he can't call it 'The Dave Chappelle rally for Dave Chappelle, by Dave Chappelle with Dave Chappelle' he ain't coming.\n\nYou want to make demands of people? Sure. Upload your special - ad free - on a social media platform. Or better yet, put the ads towards a non-straight, non-NAACP focused, non-comedian-lead charity of your choice. Make it so that anyone can watch it without giving you or the people who fund you one red cent... and then I'll 'bone up' before having to take the word of people who did watch and quote you directly.", "I mean, there is a lot of misinformation being spewed all over. All I saw of Rowling was a tweet supporting someone that was fired for not much. I think it’s all a bunch of bs anyway.", "My job is detecting sex trafficking through financial patterns, so yes I do. \n\n\nGo fuck yourself prick.", "Why are people ascribing all this power to such a small and powerless community? we ask for respect and now we are the target of a tirade by a man who claims to be on team terf, one the biggest and worst ideologies against us, empowering their hateful beliefs. We have states actively legislating against us, threatening our rights. There is no narrative for us, we are men and women trying to live our lives without being discriminated against or worse. I worry every day that this could get worse and that something will change to ruin my life in one way or another. I'm a person, not an agenda or argument.", "Queer used to be a derogatory term for gay people, but it's recently been reclaimed and is an easier way to refer to people who don't fit in the cisgender and/or heterosexual categories.\n\nAlso calling people emotional is lame. It doesn't actually forward any discussion.", "This is like being out with my two attention whore friends that intentionally cause very public scenes. I like Chappelle but didn't think The Closer was that funny. I'm supportive of the LGBT community but there's little to be outraged about.\n\nIf the trans guys hadn't kicked up such a stink then nobody would be talking about The Closer. Now Dave's using said stink and amplifying it promote his documentary.\n\nI'm just gonna do what I did with my two friends, quietly leave them to their bullshit.", "You've never taken issue to anything ever, huh?", "He can't get over it if he's being cancelled and shut down because of something (funny) he's said.Activist groups need to stop trying to shut down comedians for saying things that offend them. \nI watched his special on Netflix the other day. It was funny.", "Saying that Rowling was canceled for saying \"sex is real\" is like saying that David Duke was canceled for saying \"race is real\". Like sure you might have said that and sure a minority of people might take issue with the fact that you said that. But that isn't anywhere near the top of the list of things you said which people had a problem with.", "Right... so, of legal age. So I don't think inappropriately using terms indicating sex crimes should be used for a legal relationship, it's really detrimental to actual victims, it just minimizes their experiences.", "I'm not the one you responded to, but I just wanted to thank you for following up on your original point and taking the time to expand on it. It was very insightful and interesting!", "Man the point of his specials just went right over your head huh?", ">Saying that Rowling was canceled for saying \"sex is real\"\n\nI never said that. Are you responding to the wrong comment?", "Mhm I'm sure it is. You have zero sympathy for an 40 year old fucking a high schooler, you're a piece of shit and there's zero chance you'd ever care about sex crimes. Fuck out of here you clown.", "I think his point on TERFS made sense. It easy to get frustrated when the acknowledgement for “women in blank” go to former men", "provoke people -> they get mad at you -> they're mad at me so i'm justified in provoking them more -> repeat", "You're reading too much into it. He's not a politician. He's not trying to \"make a point\". He's just noting contrasting or contradicting themes in society. The reason why people get so annoyed is because they mistake that for his \"opinion\". It's a comedy set. It's not an opinion. It's just funny things (or maybe you don't think they're funny, fine).", ">\tI'm so sick of people saying cancel culture isn't real, meanwhile hundreds and hundreds of people are being deplatformed so that nobody is able to hear.\n\nWant some French cries with that wahh-burger?\n\nIt’s called “consequences” not “cancel culture”. Sorry society has changed and now calling your colleagues homophobic slurs is no longer socially acceptable and will get you fired just like if you called your boss’s wife a whore would get you fired.", "You have zero sympathy for actual victims because you're privileged human garbage. I hope you burn in hell. \n\n\nYou're the same type of trash who loves to say Retard and gets mad when someone questions you.", "I dunno, he got mire reaction out of you than any “actual joke” would have gotten", "When Dave was punching up (i.e. bringing attention to the establishment and police state that oppressed him and black people around the country) his comedy was bulletproof. There was very little controversy from the public. \n\nNow, Dave punches down by attacking already marginalised communities while he himself is rich, famous, and pretty much beyond reproach. He has a huge corporate platform for his comedy and opinions, and he uses it to attack those without a mainstream voice to counter him. It makes him look like a jerk.\n\nThis seems really hard for him - and other comedians like Seinfeld - to understand. \n\nI don't know why.", "When he asked them to stop punching down on his people it was directly following his story about how his transgender friend was bullied to the point of suicide because they supported him.", "> They really aren't funny. It's not edgy it's just stupid.\n\ni keep coming back to this too. like his jokes arent that funny anymore. if you want to spend like 3 specials on one topic, at least do it really well. but its just him complaining about \"Backlash\", and he's not as profound a thinker as he thinks he is, so it just makes it a fucking slog to listen to.", "Rofl that’s just some shitty cunt lying to get your buddy fired. It’s not cancel culture. Your buddy wasn’t trending on Twitter. Wtf are you even mentioning this for?", "It's quite telling how many beer chugging bearded overweight white dudes are in his audience all of a sudden. \"Some of my best friends are trans\" yeah dave, and some of their best friends are black.", "Bro nobody knows your buddy at all. There’s nobody “cancelling” him. Your company didn’t cave to mass public pressure to fire your buddy. They caved to a single client who wanted your buddy fired. It’s a tale as old as time in client-service industries.", "Then why not just say trans? Unless I'm wrong, I don't think he's ever been actively homophobic. \nAnd people are obviously being emotional. Why wouldn't they when it's an emotional topic?", "You don’t have to support him, but I will. And I don’t care if you think I shouldn’t", "I obviously do care for them, and I'm extending that care to a high schooler, you are not. I wonder which one would more likely care about children getting assaulted. The guy saying that dating someone who was legally a child half a year ago is okay, or the person saying that it's totally fine. I won't be the one in hell dumb ass.", "uh oh, somebody made pple aren't worshiping his fav celebrity?", "who specifically, is \"they\"", "Oh no, somebody assumed I enjoy Dave- bud, shut up, I don’t even enjoy comedy.", ">\tYou think living in a culture where we create a climate of paralysing fear over speaking our minds honestly is a good thing?\n\nI don’t live in paralyzing fear over speaking my mind honestly. Because I’m an adult and can make rational arguments that don’t demean, belittle and treat people like subhumans. \n\nIt’s actually quite simple to completely avoid being cancelled, and that’s what’s actually cracking me up over your incessant whining. If you “speaking your mind honestly” looks anything like what Papa John or John Gruden said, then you deserve to be fired because there’s clearly plenty of very smart, very reasonable, very articulate people out there who can replace you.\n\nIt’s called a meritocracy. Racists and bigots and homophobes and misogynists and white supremacists have no merit. They don’t deserve to succeed in society.", "He does all that. He takes issue with the “you can’t make jokes about them” shit. Something your response and others have proven as being a real thing", "What about how he cried to Netflix to remove his show because it \"made him feel bad\" so basically he can whine and cry to have things that make him feel bad removed...but when he is a blatant and self admitted bigot everyone should just laugh", "I agree for the most part but the context you gave with the quote was incorrect. His people was his friend Daphne the transgender, not a male black person.", "I know this is a crazy concept that’s difficult for simple minds to grasp, but often when people speak, and write, and perform, there is meaning behind their words other than the literal interpretation. Like have you ever read a book?", "Literally the only trans person any of you care about", "If your talking about what you think is an important subject, you aren’t just going to stop", "Cool story.", "There were literal, real life protests outside of Netflix offices to get his specials removed. People wanting to remove his public voice because of what he said. How is that not attempted censorship?", "He was making it a joke. It went over your head. The point of his entire performance was to explain that his comedy is for laughs only. It’s not to be taken literally like you clearly took it. He likes to push buttons and run with it once he gets reactions. It’s a snowball effect. He makes a vile hilarious joke and it offends someone so he then makes fun of the butt hurt person that can’t take a joke. He doesn’t care about people that can’t take a joke. That’s his entire selling point. He doesn’t care and only cares about making shock quality jokes. People love that humor. I love that humor. I like laughing at everyone. But I also love everyone. Dave loves everyone too as long as they can laugh and take a joke. He’s not a sell out that waters down his content because a certain group can’t take a simple joke.", "I think the issue is that for the case of a joke he does have to simplify these incidents quite a lot, especially if he isn't doing an entire bit around the JK Rowling controversy specifically. It's sort of like if he had to stop to explain every joke and give all of the context to every single line along the way then the jokes would lose a lot of their impact. While it's true that some people who aren't informed of these things will hear the jokes and then run with that like a simple joke is an accurate account of what happened, it is also true and important to remember that a comedians job is to make us laugh, not to unpack these social or political issues to this level.", "Everything is the fault of white people, and corporate white people.\n\nI never liked this guy and I still don’t.\n\nBring on my downvotes.", "And you go comment on reddit yo", "no one's saying it's 'fine'.\n\nYou pricks are always like this, you want to use any fucking term you want for anything and them try to pretend you give a fuck when someone calls out your privileged fucking bullshit and you act like the victim as if you care even a tiny bit beyond what you're allowed to do or say to everyone around you.\n\nFuck you. Check your fucking privilege you piece of trash.", "Because gender dysphoria goes beyond just trans, and I'd rather use a shortened term than listing off a bunch of identities. Queer is an appropriate term. And truthfully, the leap between homophobia and transphobia isn't particularly far. Especially when one of his closing remarks was to blame the LGBT community for Kevin Hart being homophobic.\n\nI used to love Chappelle, but my God has he ever shown me how much of an idiot he is with this special.", "More so clarity is important if you're going to try to criticize someone. You, and many others, conflated the statement \"don't punch down on my people\" to infer \"Black\" people when Dave was specifically talking about a transgender friend of his, and interpreted \"His people\" to include a transgendered person. Now, if that clarity if unimportant to you, we know where you stand on this debate.", "You clearly don’t understand humor.", "He’s always been big on social commentary. This isn’t new", "I always wonder were that line is. Pretty sure Cosby didn't get the same treatment.", "Because the legal definitions are not the be all end all. 17 isn't legal everywhere and just because it was where Jerry was doing it doesn't mean he gets away without criticism, and criticism calling it out for what it is. If he instead was dating a 13 year old in a country where that was legal would you be happy then? Where is the age line for you and why do you get to choose it?", "You, sir, missed the whole point lol", "You personally, maybe. But in general way more problem are interested in talking about why Chappell is transphobic than they are in enjoying his comedy", "It seems like this stuff has made him more popular than he’s ever been. And people like you and ensuring that", "Or people think transphobia with a huge audience ads to the discrimination transgender people face", "Dude it’s a racy joke. All his humor is racy! Chill out on sterilizing all his jokes. The entire point of the Closer was to outline how everything he says in a comedy show is comedy and comedy only and he will happily laugh at anyone who thinks he’s not funny. If a group of people like LGBT can’t take a joke then he’ll gladly lean into them harder and laugh at how they can’t take a joke. He likes pushing buttons and when people get butt hurt over comedy it only gets funnier to him and his fans because it becomes a running joke. If you can’t take a joke then dont watch him. Clearly he doesn’t actually hate anyone irl.", "The reactions in this comment section point to him very much telling unpopular truths", "Gee I wonder why people going through similar experiences react in similar ways", "The fact that you can't tell the difference from \"cancelling\" and \"boycott\" says it all lol.", "The attempts to decouple sex from gender are medically important. If you’re writing a medical report, eg “people who menstruate” is a more scientifically precise way of referring to those patients. Some people born with vaginas do not menstruate; they’re post-menopausal, they have a hormone or other biological issue, they’re a young girl, etc. And, some people who do menstruate would not consider themselves to be women and do not experience life as a woman. So, if your report or article is about… say, period poverty… to say it affects all women is patently untrue, and to say that all people it affects are women is as well.\n\nThis avoidance of male/female anatomy is not to try and pretend that sex does not exist, but purely to acknowledge that sex and gender do not always correlate and to pretend that they do is inappropriate in many circumstances. Precise language is usually (when possible) best when we’re talking about groups of people, to ensure you catch everyone you’re actually talking about and dismiss anyone you’re not.", "Maybe because you're not born like that. Do you think Chapelle could make fun of handicapped people for example? That would be different.", "He said this directly as a response to someone telling him \"Women suffer\", he said \"You suffer, but not like us.\" So either he genuinely believes all women are white, or he just doesn't care about black women. Take your pick.", "This comment section is beyond butthurt. It’s comedy, you don’t like it? Move on LMAO. Buncha strangers crying together when they won’t be able to say two words in front of this man.", "Honestly I was just talking to buddy at first and then he went full on \"you're making everything up\". Got a little nutty for no reason.", "Pedo trash. Do you just like defending them? Seriously tell me what's the difference between a 17 1/2 year old and an 18 year old. It's arbitrary, it doesn't mean there's some magical maturity growth. You just like the idea of fucking an 18 year old.", "Yes they do, they’re called shareholders", "Exactly. I had a colleague who reckoned that the COVID-19 pandemic 'wasn't that bad' because the 1918 Spanish Flu had more deaths.", "Rowling's essay come out relatively late in the controversy surrounding her though. It was initially about her reacting positively to tweets critiquing a legal change to what constitutes \"a woman\" in Britain.", "I think he made the absolutely calculated move about opening with a joke about Jews and it’s the trans stuff people are mad about. I loved the special. \n\nResponses are just another reason why I should drop reddit", "Can this motherfucker just shut up already I'm tired of hearing about it", "His I'm not transphobic because I had a trans friend setup to tear down twitter to blame that for her death...", "He’s literally going against circle jerks", "Seems like an awful lot of people here agree with him to me?", "I'm glad you do", ">He has zero empathy for any other type of ~~marginalized~~ person.\n\nThat word needs a rest.", "Well aren't we silly", "I don’t want him to talk about trans people, I want him to make fun of black and white people again. \n\nSeriously dude, if you don’t like it, watch something else", "I think you've got me mixed up with someone else", "I fucking lol'd at the \"I knew your father, he was a wonderful woman\"", "He can’t be cancelled, he walked away from 50 million dollars and still thrived.", "I don't like how he's selling his movie. If it's so important, give it away for free. He's got enough money that he doesn't need to capitalize off George Floyd.\n\nSince this started, he's had to try and get support from other black people and it's making this very oddly tribal.\n\nI don't like how the word 'community' is used to artificially segregate people into tribes in American culture.", "Because they aren’t jokes", "I watched The Closer and thought the same.", "Because they are. They grew up with the societal benefits of men", " Nah, the reddit echo chamber seems to be aligning with you today. Glad to see another reminder most people have normal reactions", "I like Dave", "So you agree Dave hasn't been cancelled.", "Maybe, what he’s saying, is his people (Black Americans), are being MURDERED by their government.\n\nNot the same fight the trans community is having.", "If his film is cancelled how is he going on tour to screen it next month?", "Right, he's successful and the best and everyone loves him but also everyone hates him and wants to cancel him.", "The reaction people had between Louis CK, Dave Chappele, and Chris D'Elia is amazing.", "This is the same as “I have a black friend”", "Lol literally, look up a couple comments and note that I wasn't present for that part of the argument", "In \"The Closer\", Dave purports not to understand what \"punching down\" even means as part if his anti-Trans tirade (yes, I watched all of it).\n\nExcerpt from this is that in order for Dave to consider you worthy of interaction with him, \"you must admit Hannah Gadsby is not funny.\"\n\nFor someone who claims not to know what punching down is, that example was practically perfect in every way.", "Im not being silly you are being silly because what you said describes a philosopher", "The false dichotomy strikes again!", "> He has zero empathy for any other type of marginalized person.\n\nThis is the end result of much modern identity politics, incl Chapelle: tribalism. \n\nThe pursuit of social justice must not revert to or be based on tribalism. But that is increasingly what it does all across the spectrum.", "There’s a large online outcry, yes. He would be dumb not to address that. The outlast that came from sticks and stones is likely why he focused so much on LGBT stuff in the Closer", "Yeah but before his social commentary was intelligent comedy, not ranting about minorities", "What a truely stupid comparison. Millions of people obviously like watching his specials and listening to what he has to say. You are free to watch, not watch, and/or watch anything else you like. To even suggest that this is somehow Soviet is just plain ignorant on so many levels. No one who enjoys his specials is trying to force anyone else to watch, nor are they trying to silence/de-platform/cancel anyone else - which are precisely the kinds of things the self-appointed SJWs are doing and is exactly the type of thing that would happen in the Soviet Union.", "The \"sex is real\" debate is a strawman propped up by transphobes in order to frame trans groups as irrational and out of touch with reality.\n\nIf you reach into the radical fringe of any group you can find absurd beliefs. But you will not find the vast majority of people in the trans community fighting to abolish the concept of biological sex.", "If you would have that kind of take just from someone actually listening to the issue being discussed than you also need that clarification. \n\nYour position is one that's just as misinformed if you think pointing out his transgender friend was one of \"his people\" means that's the only transgendered person someone cares about at all.", "Okay. Titan of intellect. Dodgeball champion. Protofascist moralizer.", "He’s not ranting. He’s making commentary you don’t like. The special felt very un rant-like. Save for the part where his trans comedian friend killed herself, possibly because of how Twitter treated her", "Mate if that's what you got from it, you didn't listen or read. It's not the comedy that's the problem, it's that it isn't comedy. If a large part of your act is just slagging off minorities, guess what: you're not a comic. If you're opening bit is shitting on someone, especially a minority group that's been fucked over for ages, you're a cunt.\n\nIf what you're doing is actual comedy, you largely get a pass. Because it's funny. When you're a cunt and think that \"comedian\" is just a funny misspelling of \"I can say whatever I want to whoever I want\", people will get upset because you're being a cunt and aren't even telling a damn joke.\n\nETA: And also, yes, minorities who've been targeted for a fucklong time aren't \"due\" for a good ol' teardown. That's why punching up is so much easier to make funny: when the folks at the top who haven't gotten theirs (and more, like, for instance, the trans community and indigenous people) get taken down a peg, it feels good. Taking someone off their high horse is a pretty universal experience (arguably a big part of how \"cancel culture\" itself has taken hold). Taking people down a peg who are already on the lowest rung is fucking shitty. And if you can't see how that makes sense, I think you're probably a bit of a dickhead yourself.", "So wait is Dave anti-trans or is he just telling jokes and actually supports transwomen?", "I honestly didn't care for what he joked about during the special. I'm just over so many comedians making their whole sets about controversy and being cancelled. I don't mind that they bring it up but it's such a tired topic. His last stand up wasn't the weakest because of the subject matter, it was the weakest because he's going back once again at all the victimisation of being cancelled. He's one of the funniest men in history and he's so much better than the 'are you triggered?' Joe Rogan comedy.", "How about this one: if he's being silenced, that isn't the fault of every trans person so don't use it to justify being shitty", "Oh and um …. Sorry you live in a world where you have to be right all the time that sucks for you must be hard", ">is an academic \n\nShe also happens to not be an academic in any field related to medicine or mental health...\n\nThis is like saying \"I'm a doctor\" to a sick person but actually you have a PHD in English lit.", "He was objectively transphobic, and Chappelle also lied about events during his last special. I'm not calling on him to be cancelled, but I don't believe that his critics should be silenced. \n\n------\n\nHe didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general. He goes out of his way to address the entire LGBTQ community explicitly in his gripes. He said that they act like minorities until they need to act white around Black people, based off one personal bad personal experience. He said 'Trans people make up words to win arguments'. He said the trans are out to get him and he needs to look for adams apples\n\n---\n\nHe used a huge platform to lie about the trans community. He said JK Rowling was cancelled for stating a biological fact. First, she wasn't cancelled. she's still with her publisher, still publishing books with cross-dressing characters who are murderers\n\nSecond, she didn't just state a fact, she has openly befriended and amplified the voices of TERFs on social media, and that she penned a long manifesto expressing the pernicious TERF ideology that trans women might actually be male sexual predators in disguise\n\n----\n\nHe complained that the LGBTQ community is preventing him to from going after white people, that he had them on the ropes before the LGBTQ community stopped him. But it's Dave who keeps on dedicating his specials to them. When his last special was released there were no articles being written about his beef with them, no social media trends. And then he dedicated nearly his whole special to them\n\nAnd if he wants to get conspiratorial about white people, race, and sexuality issues, look at what they did in India and the Philippines. They did a ton to demonize homosexuality in those areas. They always do. Like the Hindy/Muslim animosity and the Caste system in India (which existed before the British came, but they dialed that the knob up to 100% by codefying into law and making it a part of their educational system) and apartheid in South Africa, they are always pitting minority groups against each other so that they won't focus on their oppressor\n\nHow can this be more glaring than that the anti-gay people and anti-trans people are the same ones who are anti-BLM. The same people who keep passing laws specifically targeting Black people from voting\n\n-----\n\nHe complained 'to what extent am I obligated to participate in your self image'. He has none, but to what extent are they obligated to indulge in the idea that he is beyond criticism? To what extent should they suppress the fact that he is no longer a positive influence in their life\n\n----\n\nHe complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions\n\n----\n\nHe blamed the LGBTQ community for taking away Kevin Hart's childhood dream of hosting the Oscars\n\nFirst, his old jokes were hurtful. Don Lemon did a great job of explaining why. I'm not going to link the youtube videos because that tends to get my comment deleted by the automod but I'll just mention what to look up on youtube\n\nYoutube Don Lemmon Kevin Hart \n\nAnd Kevin Hart later acknowledged at much, saying that he has grown since\n\nYoutube Kevin Hart apology\n\nBut the issue is that he was adamant in not addressing it twice. But he never apologized the first time. No apologies in every interview he did about his hurtful comments prior to the Oscars; he defended himself and blamed the audience each time\n\nGoogle the vulture.com article titled \"Where Are Kevin Hart’s Past Apologies? An Investigation\"\n\nIf hosting the Oscars truly was his childhood dream and giving an apology (and instead lying about previously apologizing) was a boundary, then he has a \"Brittle-ass spirit\" (Dave's phrase for LouisCK victims)\n\nBtw by his own usage of the terminology, Dave tried to 'cancel' Don Lemon\n\nYoutube Don Lemmon responds to Chappelle\n\n-----\n\nDave says 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Dave's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Conversion therapy is legal in 30 states. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths\n\n-----\n\nRegarding the insinuation that the LGBTQ community responsible for Daphane's death, he didn't mention that she had lost custody of her child shortly before her suicide. Also, he didn't seem at that close as he refused to go to her funeral or 3 memorials of hers when invited. Daphane's defense of Chappelle had less than 10 twitter replies\n\n------\n\nI don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia/transphobia\n\nDave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people'\n\nHe always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complained 'why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name'. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research?\n\nIf his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting\n\nDave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege to wage with his fellow millionaire celebrities", "Did you notice he only talked about the LGBT jokes, he didn't actually try to sterilize all of this jokes, just the ones that show Chapelle has no understanding for those people's struggle, treating it like a white problem even when the majority of violence against trans people are against black trans people", "So if we all behave ourselves enough, you'll like us, right?", "honestly like half the closer special itself felt like that. At the end I was like \"wtf just happened\"", "I wasn't talking about gender at all. I was talking about sex. Sex is biology. With rare exception, a body is either male or female regardless of whether a person \"considers themself\" a man or a woman or whether they \"experiences life\" as a man or woman. Man or woman is gender/gender identity.\n\nIronically, it is you who is mixing up sex and gender.\n\nFunny how we all got along just fine for centuries without this \"precise language\". Nobody is confused about what I mean when I say \"female bodies\" instead of \"bodies with vaginas\".", "Yes.. feed on the hatred social media brings you... participate in the outrage!!!", "You think black people face more discrimination than transgender people?", "No he is saying that he wasn't the one who posted what you are replying to.", "Do whatever you please. I just think your being whiny with unsupported reasons", "The person Rowling supported was fired for creating a hostile work environment. She refused to refer to her transgendered coworkers as their chosen gender. Kind of the worst thing you do to a trans person. This understandably made her coworkers uncomfortable which resulted in her firing. Functionally the same outcome as if she had exclusively referred to her overweight coworkers as \"Fatass\".", "Does Dave know that there are black LGBT people? Can they just become white?", "I just watched it, what's all the controversy over?", "He made jokes at the expense of LGBT. Any somewhere down the line, people softened up and no longer knew how to take a joke.", "Imagine this. You have a black friend. You like them very much. You get a long well, and you very much enjoy each others company. Someone calls you a racist. Your friend defends you. Those people who called you a racist now call your friend a race traitor, an oreo, and a disgrace. Your friend commits suicide. \n\nBut in the end of this story, you're still the racist.", "This is still not a response to my comment. If the mainstream trans community has no issue with the concept of biological sex, why are female bodies being referred to as \"bodies with vaginas\"?", "I thought the \"I'm on team TERF\" was an obvious joke. Not necessarily a good one, but I thought it was pretty clear he wasn't serious in that statement.\n\nThis isn't to defend Dave, I get why people are upset, but that line keeps coming up and I don't really understand how people took it as anything other than a jest.", "Cry.", "You pretty much said it yourself. My observation is that Cancel Culture contributes to that behaviour where business will cave to a clients accusations. I'm not saying it didn't happen before, I'm saying that its more prevalent now because of cancel culture. I hoped sharing what I consider to be an outcome influenced by the impact of Cancel Culture would help people identify that this concept exists, which is the topic I was directly replying too. Hope that clears things up.", "He literally didn’t say that, at all.", "I just rewatched the end of the special. No it wasn't. It was following him asking people to have mercy on dababy and lamenting Kevin Hart losing his hosting gig for the Oscar's. Directly following him referencing his Clifford story in saying that racism is bad. He was obviously referencing black people. \n\nThe whole show was hating on cancel culture and the Daphne segment was obviously referencing how cancel culture can harm even those who they are trying to protect. But when he asked people to stop punching down on his people, he was explicitly talking about black people.", "And I don't care if they were or weren't? They came in with an ignorant statement that my reply was relevant to. I don't care if they were the specific person I originally corrected, THEY were the one trying to imply just pointing out the correct context of the quote would imply that's the ONLY transgender person people care about.\n\n>Literally the only trans person any of you care about\n\nThey made their position as clear as they needed.", "Very little self-awareness", "Right. Or “new Chappelle”, cuz he was newer when he was younger.", "Oh my goodness yes. I don't get it. In the special he talks bout how most people complaining never watched him and have just read headlines I find this more true with this than ever based on the comments of the reddit Hive mind.", "It's not that a few important details have been lost due to him condensing the issue for time. It's that his statement is a complete and fundamental misrepresentation of the nature of the controversy.", "Mate, he clearly states that this person is white with his entire setup for this punch line. I thought it was pretty clear when the comparison was between white women and black people as a general..... \n\nI think you might be dreaming away with your accusations.", "did Chapelle just say \"I can't be racist, I have black friends\" at the 1:20 mark?", "I love watching his shows they’re hilarious but then it’s like he only talks about how white people oppressed black people and still do. I’ve rarely ever hear him talk about how his community is or how they are racist etc like making jokes about that. I think by now every race has been oppressed by someone or another if you look back on time or even now. It’s not okay to talk shit about white people all the damn time", "Fuck people are stupid. He does a comedy special where he literally says this is my last one, I'm going all the way, then makes jokes about csncel culture the internets reaction is to try and cancel him... but honestly why the fuck does anyone care? This is like a 1 out of 10 on things people should care about.", "I know, I’m saying you need to get some", "I mean tbf it’s still top 10 on Netflix. Not like people aren’t tuning in", "So in your mind being shot with a gun and getting cancelled on Twitter are the same thing?", "FUCKIN THANK GOD. I'm so happy to read this, I know reddit has a good amount of SJW but God fucking damn they come out in droves with all this trans talk. It's like fucking Christ man, I think they don't understand that them getting so angry just adds more fuel to the fire and just embolden more people to open up and make fun of them more.\n\nIt does the exact opposite of what they are actually trying to achieve. You WILL NEVER win people over by telling them how to talk and how to think. Then when you don't get your way you stamp your feet and have a tantrum. This controversy with Chapelle is foolish, he's a bloody comedian. Get over yourself ffs", "To all the bozos in the comments section crying that \"it's just comedy\" or \"it's just a joke\".\n\nImagine if, in the music industry, an artist did a bad song, and said artist turned around and said its failure was over \"people being snowflakes\" and \"people are too sensitive\" and defending it with \"it's just a song\". That artist would be laughed at, critics and audiences would be pandering, thinking they are in over their heads, and incapable of taking the most basic criticism.\n\nYet for some reason, stand up comedy is the only industry I'm aware of where it's acceptable to believe that it's impossible for a joke or a set to be bad, and if people think otherwise it's them that's only their problem, all because someone is up on a stage with a mic in their hand.\n\nBlame it on who was the United States President in X year all you want, but the truth is that comedians nowadays claim their performing art should be taken seriously, but don't actually take it seriously themselves to handle criticism or understand their work has an impact beyond being \"just jokes\".\n\nComedians nowadays would rather whine about how they get booed for bad jokes than try to create good jokes, and it's sad seeing big comedians of the 80s and 90s like Chapelle and Seinfeld go down this path.", "He talked about Daphne for 10 minutes ending with, \"I don't know what the trans community did for her but I don't care, because I don't feel like she was their tribe. She was mine.\" \n\nYou may be right in that the last 30 seconds before his statement was in regards to Kevin Hart and Dababy, but I feel like you still have to ignore that entire 10 minute story where he describes someone as a part of his tribe. Dababy thing seemed like a joke, and the Kevin Hart thing seemed like an applicable example to the issues at hand.", "I think there's good reason behind pointing that out.\n\nYou've got one group that's been trampled on for centuries then you get a new group of people who's movement is comparatively very new yet has made much more progress in such a short time. The first group is naturally going to be made to feel pretty bad about being left in the dirt.\n\nIts all well and good saying two people have it bad and both should be heard equally but there's a massive gap in the sheer amount of their struggle. And that's just quantity, its even worse when you look at what has been done to each group. A certain amount of resentment in the black community is to be expected.", "You'd be surprised how many people agree with Dave. Go outside and take a random poll about cancel culture and transgenders. You'd be surprised with the way people think, they just don't say it aloud.", "Who decides what's comedy and what isn't? Where do I go to sit in on this committee and decide for other people what they should and should not see?", "You're an idiot and obviously haven't really listened to Dave. Your just a headline reader and bandwagoner. You even ended your comme t with the Kevin hart thing. FFS Kevin said that years ago and apologized. Yet he was still canceled and lost the Oscar gig. You know damn well that wouldn't have happened to a gay white dude. How is that not punching down. \n\nFucking idiots can't even listen.", "You are seriously fucking retarded, if that's what you took from what he said. You obviously watched it and didn't actually listen. What a fucking idiot. You should be ashamed of yourself", "Fuck you and your low effort comment", "Only a single medical journal has ever used the term \"bodies with vaginas\" and it quickly issued an apology and retraction following backlash. You won't find any trans groups who defended the journal or who even cared.", "I dont find it annoying because Dave is making a point that others can't. He is popular enough with an accepting platform that allows him to talk about things people are to frightened to get fired over talking about. So many people have been cancelled and fired with no chance to defend themselves. Dave is speaking to those people when he talks. It's ironic how the people feeling bullied are the biggest bullies on the fucking planet at the moment.", "At this point Chappelle has been touring clubs for years just endlessly talking about trans people. He didnt come up with this off the dome. He went to hundreds of clubs to really perfect his lecture on shit he did t understand. \n\n\nHe also has forgotten his own golden rule - it matters who you're making laugh. He will say all this shit about black people yadda yadda but once again the people he is making laugh hardest are the ones who have historically been actually oppressing black people.", "Threatening to leave, and stop production on their shows if his content isn't removed. All I'm saying is that you can't look at that and compare that to a T.V. viewer writing in and complaining about a show. The two things aren't comparable.", "Bad faith take.", "that's a lot of adderall", "Sometimes people have to stand up for themselves and thier people. Sorry you were so put out by it. /s", "This is kind of the example I go to when I criticize these specials or people that say \"Nobody should be off limits\".\n\nCompare Killing Them Softly/For What it's Worth to these recent specials and more so the last one. Those two are comedy specials, his new ones are TED Talks. And hey some TED Talks have humor, this is one of my favourite\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8S0FDjFBj8o\n\nBut fuck the people saying \"you should be able to tell jokes about anyone\"... yeah you should, but Chappelle hardly did that.\n\nActually re-listening to that ted talk is sadly more entertaining than The Closer... and that's sad as I was a huge Chappelle fan growing up.", "He felt that it was necessary to emphasize what he was going to reference before he said \"don't punch down on my people\". If he wanted to explicitly include Daphne, the emphasis wouldn't have been necessary. He knew what he wanted to say and he said it. \n\nDave Chapelle obviously does not have any animosity towards transgender people. He made that explicitly clear in his special. However, he isn't a champion for their rights. Considering the jokes heavily implying that he supports terfs and that trans women aren't real women, he is acting ignorant at best.", "Genuinely insane statement to make", "Yes, 100x over and for far longer", "> With rare exception\n\nSo you accept there is no one rule fits all solution, and then ignore this in your conclusion.", "This is the most idiotic take I think I've heard about Chappelle so far. \"zero empathy for other marginalized people\" lmfaooo", "It's a personal issue for a lot of people. What's your personal stake in this, are you an aspiring stand-up or something?", "> claiming that trans people have more privilege than black people, saying they are \"punching down\" on his people?\n\nI think the \"his people\" in that context was not black people, but was meant as punching down on comedians for out-of-context jokes - as that TG Daphne figure was a comedian who was defending Dave and apparently got serious backlash over it from the transgender community. \nBut a crap stance from him anyway - make jokes and let it slide or take a more nihilistic approach saying \"fuck you all\" (I like Bill Burr in that regard - blunt, but direct). Now it's like his routine is just arguing with the transgender community in some sort of a one-sided debate. Kind of like we used to have a fuckton of \"Youtube drama\" videos on Reddit (still do, but less, thankfully), he seems to be stirring up his own \"Comedians drama\" series - it just gets fucking tedious.", "Translation : I completely made up my bullshit, and when called to prove it, ran for the hills.\n\nImagine my suprise.", "Are you just trolling? If doesn't seem like you're comment has any real substance and you're just insulting me based on my interpretation of the special. I saw him place particular emphasis on the African American plight before stating \"don't punch down on my people\". Do you really think that when you emphasize a problem directly before, the emphasis of your next statement can't be referencing that problem? It sounds to me like you're the one who didn't listen.", "I saw it differently, rather than \"black people are bigger victims than LGBTQ+ people\", I feel like there was an underlying message that no community should feel like they're on a pedestal where any criticism made in jest (comedy) or serious should be taken as an attack. Coming from Dave's background who has made jokes about multiple communities and has had an eye to point out issues in comical manner (especially early in his carrer where he made his name joking about African Americans - Tyrone Biggums a suffering crack addict anyone?), he points out the hypocrisy of people's ability to laugh at others but not themselves. No such community should hold themselves to a level where they feel they're untouchable and if they hear anything they don't like they can cancel them.", ">saying something mean in jest isn't always OK; because a lot of people hear that as permission to say the mean thing in earnest.\n\nGoddamn. Well put.", "Yeah, whatever story he tells is fake, he's not genuine, and your friends on twitter are not responsible at all for her death.", "> Most of us couldn't care less about the outrage brigade and the controversy\n\nWell, most of us should care more. Cause right now, the \"offended\" temper-tantrum children are crusading for the removal of all content they find offensive. \n\nThat's the wrong path. And people need to care more about where shit is heading, or we'll lose culture and freedom of expression in the process.", ">Dave Chapelle obviously does not have any animosity towards transgender people. He made that explicitly clear in his special.\n\nThing is a lot of people have not gotten this memo. I don't think he ever positioned himself as a champion for their rights.\n\nThat being said I do agree with your take on the situation but I think many other people DO believe he has animosity towards transgenders and have been approaching this subject from that standpoint.", "No", "Reddit is a shithole place of \"fastest to the top\" mixed with fear of being downvoted.", "The jews are watching.", "If you'd actually watched Chappelle's specials, and taken on good faith that the commenter above did too, you'd know Chappelle actually does address punching up and down.\n\nDid you even watch the special, or the prior ones that caused this contoversy?", "He broke down the definition as a feminist who thinks women and trans-women are distinct. Then said he meets that definition. Which frankly a lot of people would if they're honest about it. \n\nHe also said that people make up words to win arguments, terf is an example. The trans community made a label they can slap on people, then completely disregard their opinion. You see this in every comment thread about this, they take him refering to himself as a terf, then completely ignore the hour and 20 minutes of context around that three seconds of talking.", ">You WILL EVER win people over by telling them how to talk and how to think.\n\nhe said, as he ranted about how other people should talk and think", "Blanket bans of a group of people based on religion, ethnicity, gender, or sexual identity is not comparable to refusing to hire/work with an individual based on their previous work and reputation.", "that trans netflix employee that got fired for complaining about the special", "Can I have an example of one the jokes though?", "This also very much tracks with this \"addressing the controversy\". It's all about \"I'm having a really tough time right now\".\n\nI can't help but imagine a non-black person saying something somewhat offensive towards POC, supporting a racist, and rounding it off with \"all of my black friends have been nothing but supportive\". I'm pretty sure Chappelle would be fairly suspicious about that claim. Yet, when it's about the transcommunity and him, then somehow that claim is AOK.", "I watched parts of his closer thing, I've got thick skin, the thing is, too me, it sounded like an grumpy old man bitching. I have heard it all before, when I was 15 at school, and my friends drunk racist Dads saying mean things about dykes. At the end of the day, if something is not funny, its not a joke, no matter how you meant it. There just wasn't anything funny there, sounded like those angry trump supporters from my hometown complaining about people they have never met, now Dave Chapelle does that too... is he evil? no, did it have the spark of insight that edgy comedy needs? sorry", "We also used to call disease “pestilence”, and we got along just fine, but it’s the 21st century now so we can update our language a bit to be more scientific and precise.\n\nWhy did you put “considers themselves to be” and “lives life as” in quotes? It makes it seem like you don’t believe it.\n\nI don’t really see why it being uncommon means we shouldn’t account for it. If you ignore the uncommon cases you’re just ignoring data to fit your argument.", "I’m just going to use this space to point out the most controversial thing he said in this special was actually setting up a punchline.\n\nAfter he said “gender is a fact” or whatever, he immediately rolled into saying that it would be like have an impossible pussy or a beyond pussy or something. Like a burger that isn’t real meat no matter how good the imitation is.\n\nNot even defending his statements but there were punchlines and so much candid general mischief. I feel like the news articles present it like he stood up and said these quotes and was bathed in applause from his hateful audience for an hour.", "What's the last time a celebrity explicitly excluded black people? Here one is doing it with transgender people and that behaviour is being defended as we speak.\n\nAlso read some of these stats; https://www.hrc.org/resources/understanding-the-transgender-community", "He helped her start a bra company", "It felt like that tiny ‘special’ he did outdoors for YouTube was the peak of him as an orator and a storyteller.\n\nHis views are a bit sideways to me but I wonder if he also thought that was him doing his best work and as such really reacted strongly to the idea that he’s not a good dude and misuses his platform.", "Except the last part where his friend is called a traitor didn't actually happen which has been publicly stated by her friends and family.", "Aside from some of the mega vitriol either way, this is low key an incredible discussion on issues we don’t usually approach from this angle.", "The same can be said about any group, any person. Should we just outlaw all comedy now? Precisely who is 'acceptable' to make fun of then? Nobody? Just white people? By this logic, ANY minority would become protected species, exempt from even the most light hearted ridicule (there is absolutely no malice in any of Chapelle's alphabet people jokes).\n\nThis is frankly ridiculous.", ">Today you can deplatform the most powerful man in the world and\n\nIs this about anyone in particular or is it just speculation?", "You could totally make jokes about handicapped people, yeah. Nobody would make a big stink about it", "As soon as a comedian starts using the stool onstage, you just know that they've more or less given up even trying to be funny. Can we not just ban stools from comedy shows?", "But I don’t think mischaracterizing it lessens the point which is that because JK Rowling doesn’t subscribe to the mainstream transgender ideology then she ought to be blacklisted and boycotted. I’m not the most informed about the happenings but that isn’t exactly the point of the bit. Compare this bit to the Jussie Smollett bit. The latter was about the actual controversy while the former is just a reference to and not meant to be taken literally. The audience isn’t supposed to think “dang what happened to JK Rowling was unfair”, they’re supposed to think “Dave is team TERF.”", "And the op has the right to encourage boycott action against Chapelle and any of his associates. \n\nPersonally, I have no skin in this game. Not trans, not black, haven't seen the special. Used to be a big fan of his but his Karen phase isn't suiting him.", "Or 2021 Chappelle, because things with years in them are almost never named after the year they came out.\n\nThis might be getting a little complicated.", "Remember when you could just tell jokes! People getting cut about COMEDY 🤦‍♂️", "The entire wealth of comments in this thread of the kind you describe all have the exact same tinge to them. That of political opponents pretending to give a reasonable take while trying to enframe the conversation as if they vision is that of society at large. As if their vision is the definition of progress and what falls outside of it is \"out of touch\" \"old rich white male boomer\". \"He should just stick to comedy\" \"he should just stay in his lane\", \"millionaire on a stage isn't cancelled\", the disingenuous points and arguments are plenty. \n\nAll stemming from the notion that their vision of what constitutes legitimate forms of identity is infallible, and any figure that disagrees on any aspect at the edge of the culture war is phobic of the new natural law. \n\nPeople know echo chambers exist, but still they cannot recognize one when they're in it, and its in part because its a large one. Campus Americans have no idea how out of touch they are with the rest of the world, not just in terms of social opinions but in terms of what constitute issues you have time to discuss. \n\nThere is no less vitriol in some of these comments as of someone in the middle east describing their city being bombed for the 1000th time, someone describing their government fucking up the ability to meet their basic needs etc. That disconnect is central to Chappell's issues with where the current boundary of public discourse is at.", "I like defending ideals that I find valuable. Freedom of expression is one of those ideals, especially in the format of standup comedy. Standup has been one of the forefront ways of completely uncensored expression and I think it should stay that way. If you don’t like it, don’t complain about it, just don’t care about it, that’s all you have to do for it to not affect you", "He has animosity towards people who are attacking his character online. Those people are mostly comprised of transgender people and their supporters. People conflate the two. People mostly react to headlines. What else is new. \n\nCaring about individual transgender people while still refusing to fully accept them is still being transphobic though. Just like caring about individual black people while thinking that they deserve their current state in society is racist. Dave Chapelle seems to highlight that he just doesn't understand what's wrong with what he's saying. \n\nA white man making racist black jokes doesn't make him evil. The fact that he's white just places that much more emphasis on his ignorance. It's the same here with mr. Chapelle.", "Legal age in most of the world.\n\n17 year olds should get to decide for themselves who they have sex with\n\nI remember i was ready and active already at that age as well", "It was also a joke, in a comedy show. I'm not American, nor am I black or anything LGBT and it's crazy to me how much of a storm this is causing when it's basically \"man makes jokes\" \n\nYour entire country needs to just chill the fuck out and stop making mountains of molehills.", ">Except, we now live in a culture\n\nSo...we live in a society, huh?", "> people are in fact critiquing the content of his special\n\nyeah, that's all they do. Let's conveniently forget that \"people\" also demanded pulling the special from Netflix.", "Who said he has no right? Wtf are you going on about?", "My comment was to correct the context of the quote, not to state what his intentions were for that story.", "Nah those people have brains and realize how fucking dumb cancel culture is. You’re probably one of these losers calling for anybody who makes a joke to lose their career", "It's pretty hilarious the amount of irony on display in these comments is exactly the rhetoric he was talking about in the special. It's almost as if the overwhelming majority of commenters here haven't watched all his Netflix specials so don't understand the context and content of the jokes in their entirety, including this one, but would be \"offended\" anyway - exactly as he said they would.", "Gonna go out on a limb here to say I'm not sure Dave actually knows the full meaning or implications of claiming himself a Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. I don't know. Something tells me he hasn't actually thought that through.", "In this clip he is upset because of soundbite outrage. He even says he will gladly meet, but wants context to be known first. \n\nAgree or disagree on his comedy he doesn't seem to be mad at people, but pissed off at corporate talking heads quickly canceling something due to soundbites without context outrage.\n\nI think he was inappropriate with the messaging, but in context it is nowhere near as bad as how I have seen articles written about it make it.", "Ok, would that mean an employer could refuse a trans person's employment based on the person's brigading on twitter?", "This change in language is not a once-off, and you know it. Nor is it happening spontaneously. It is being driven by special interest groups...and you know what special interest groups too.\n\nYou're being disingenuous, so there's no point in talking to you.", "Yes, the societal advantage of having your shit kicked in for being too feminine with no sympathy from anyone because men are supposed to handle roughhousing. Being frequently exposed to media where men threw up at the sight of us or we were the butt of mean spirited gags while having to stay silent about it lest people think we were perverts for wanting to be seen as women. Going through this while young, impressionable, and full of suicidal self hatred due to dysphoria. Trying to do our makeup and secretly buying wigs and dresses in private to ease our dysphoria and crying at the mirror because we still look like a man in a dress. Feeling disgusted inside every time we are told what a man is supposed to be, and how we either meet or dont meet that ideal.\n\nI'm sick of people thinking of us as men who became women. We did not grow up as men, men have nothing to do with us. Stuff like this makes me think that trans men really are the only ones outside of our own group who understand us trans women.\n\nNonbinary and fluid people have their own experiences, but us binary trans women are not just men who decided they were women one day. We do not relate to men, we were torn down by society regularly. We are not cis women, but to think that's because we were more advantaged than cis women is ridiculous. \n\nDo cis women not realize that we ALSO felt disgusting in comparison to Jennifer Aniston in beauty commercials because we wanted to be valued as women? That all the half naked women on billboards made us feel insecure as well? That we had to be skinny with big hips (something puberty took away from us forever btw) in order to be acceptable? That we were supposed to be diminutive and defer to men to be seen as acceptable women?\n\nThis is why stuff like this Dave Chappelle bit upsets us. Because people are erasing everything we've gone through. What made us tough and able to resist gender norms for women isnt being raised as men. Its having to survive the onslaught of bullshit that comes for men and women alike, while being accepted by neither camp as one of them.", "I don’t know maybe he is a bit mad that his friend died. Maybe he wasn’t trying to be funny.", "His other stuff is much funnier.", "yeah, saying that the cancel culture doesn't exist because it can't sink an A-list name completely is an extremely poor reasoning. \nWould a B/C/D-lister survive a shitstorm like this? They'd get obliterated and their career would be over.", "CGI!", "I take it by your downvotes that you just generally dislike chicks with balls.", "Hahahaha thanks for this, I’m scrolling going… wtf is happening. \n\nForgot about the hivemind", "Bone apple tea", "Go ahead. Post a joke like that somewhere on reddit. I'm very curious what would happen.", "It's because they need their opponents to be \"offended\". \"Offended\" means, for whatever reason, that a person is automatically wrong and has no actual point to make.", "This is how I interpreted the special as well. The “punching down” piece was speaking to comedians. He pointed out how a dude killed a man in Wal-Mart and it didn’t matter, but the line is offending the LGBTQ+ community, as evidenced in this thread. The point was clear: how fucked up is our society that we are valuing someone’s right to not be offended over life itself? \n\nComedy requires all targets are fair game: Holocaust, cancer and AIDS patients, and yes, “the rainbow people.”", "All that matters is whether they are being refused ~because~ they are trans. If the hypothetical brigading is means for refusal no matter who does it, then that’s fine? I think context matters on that.", ">but because the entire point of it was that black people are bigger victims than LGBTQ+ people. The entire thing was him saying \"my race has had it worse than your gender/sexuality\".\n\nThe main weak point to his Netflix work is that that message actually runs through all the shows, not just this one.", "They're in quotes because I'm quoting you. See how I also put \"precise language\" in quotes?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>We also used to call disease “pestilence”, and we got along just fine, but it’s the 21st century now so we can update our language a bit to be more scientific and precise.\n\nWhat a terrible example. Pestilence and disease have very different meanings. You're the one suggesting \"female\" and \"male\" is unscientific and precise, I would like some evidence that there is any confusion with using these terms that justifies them being replaced with phrases like \"prostate haver\", \"non-prostate haver\" and \"bodies with vaginas\". \n\nI would also point out that it's not scientists who are pushing for the change in language, so I am surprised to hear that you think the reason for this push is to be more \"scientific\".", "Did we watch the same special?", "I watched it, and that's exactly what he did. Every time it felt like he was moving on to a different topic he'd be like aNd ThE oThEr ThInG aBoUt ThE tRaNsGenDeR cOmMuNiTy iS and it's like dude I'm not even saying you can't make jokes about trans people but these aren't even jokes. It's so boring", "... I mean, I agree with you here.\n\nTransphobia is the default opinion in most of the world, public opinion is on Dave's side, he is not being canceled, it's just criticism from a small minority of people.\n\nThat's kind of the point, he is a millionaire with a platform, not in any danger of being silenced, and he is using it to mock one of the most disenfranchised groups in our society.", "No. \"A man can never genetically be a woman\" is not a position anybody actually holds, so that's not what TERFs think. TERFs think that trans women aren't women, no more, no less. If you agree that trans women aren't women, then you agree with TERFs, and vice-versa. That's why what Dave is saying is transphobic: he denies that trans women are women.\n\nIs that difficult to understand?", "> I wish more people would critique her actual reasoning because I think there's a lot of fascinating shit to unpack with her weirdness\n\nHave you seen this?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us", "Wtf does that even mean?", "Did you not watch this video, here on this post? He made a documentary about George Floyd, got invited to a bunch of film festivals, and they all canceled that over this controversy.", "There were about 8 minutes of jokes, including but not limited to the TERF line and the one about dababy where he said you can shoot and kill a black man but you can't hurt a gay person's feelings.\nI think you said you did actually watch the special, and if that's so you've been incredibly obnoxious. \nYou know what people are upset about, stop trying to start dumb and inconsequential fights. If you have something to say about it, just say it instead of acting like a patronizing wiener.", "Except he called his people “comedians” pretty explicitly. It encompassed Daphne and Kevin Hart. The Dababy joke is what’s known as a callback and it looped the beginning of his show to the end, and allowed him to make a joke about cancel culture, but he was not referring to Dababy as “his people” in that reference.", "Controversy aside Dave just isn’t as fun as he used to be. I was a huge fan back in the day and then he disappeared. Now he’s back I guess because the money ran out and he’s doing this but it seems like he doesn’t really want to. He seems depressed and angry and not even thrilled to be doing it, like he resents having to trot around for white people’s money. Kind of a ‘are you not entertained?!’ vibe where he throws a sword at the audience. \n\nIdk that’s my read. He used to be able to make fun of the world and now he just ridicules it.", "And you know what? That’s fair. Sometimes you have to pick your battle. Dave Chapelle, like his father and grandfather, has chosen to champion black rights. And they still need the help.", "And you comparing attempted murder to a boycott was in good faith?", "You missed his point that he was trying to make at the end of his special. \n\nYou're confusing the phrase \"my people\" with Dave's skin color.....\n\nBefore Dave says \"stop punching down on my people\" he tells a story about a trans comedian who was also his friend. The LGBTQ community eviscerated that person when she chose to defend Dave. It is implied that this vivisection that this woman endured at the hands of \"people\" is one of the largest contributing factors in that trans comedian's choice to kill herself.\n\nAnd then Dave ends his special with the statements; she wasn't one of your people she was one of mine -and- stop punching down on my people.\n\nWhen Dave says \"my people\" he's referring to the close knit brotherhood of comedians, and when Dave says stop punching down on my people he means:\n\nWhen a comedian tells a joke either laugh at it or don't like it and move on. DO NOT berate, harass, talk down to, insult, stalk, assault, deny income to, or socially isolate a person for telling a joke you don't like. And finally if you can't make fun of everything then you can't make fun of anything.", "> He made his name doing comedy about systemic racism, and now he is contributing to systemic issues of other sorts in his comedy and doesn't see the hypocrisy.\n\nThis 100%. He built an entire brand of comedy around calling out race-hate, and turned down a 3rd season because he understood that too much of his fanbase was racist white people who liked his content for the wrong reasons. He more than anyone ought to have understood the power of discrimination", "I am aware that approximately 1.7% of the population does not fit as neatly into one biological sex category.\n\nThat does not affect my conclusion. Nobody is confused about what I mean when I say \"female bodies\" instead of \"bodies with vaginas\".", "Sure there's a difference between cis and trans women; that's why we have different terms for them. But they're just two types of women.\n\nI don't really see much reason to think trans women have it easier than cis women, but I guess that's beside the point. Black women almost definitely don't have it easier than white women, but they're both women.", "That's really where I'm at too. Chappelle is one of the greatest comics of all time and seeing him reel into boomer facebook memes on stage is just sad. He doesn't give LGBT issues the same cultural awareness that he gives to race issues.", "If you feel like calling Daphne as a comedian part of her tribe places more emphasis on including her in his statement than bringing up two separate instances of African Americans and his allegory for racism in particular, than we are just not going to agree on our interpretations of his message.", "This just sounds like he’s the opener for a Trump rally…", "Ohh", "Probably because Lenny Bruce, another famous comedian, was arrested for saying cock sucker in one of his bits.", "Hey now! That’s totally fair. But he did say comedians were his people. We can totally interpret it how we will. I think this is healthy for society though to have these conversations. Whether or not society ends up with Dave as the good guy or bad guy, in the end it’s something that needs to be talked out. The more the trans community is normalized in our everyday conversations the less “weird” they’ll seem to the people that have issue with them. They’re gaining their spot in the American zeitgeist and I think that’s great. Again, we can disagree. That’s fine too. But this is just my thoughts on this whole controversy.", "You and the commenter above you are doing the exact thing that I mentioned in my initial comment. There is literally nothing transphobic in my comment, yet you feel justified in slapping that label on anyone that even remotely disagrees with you. I wasn't aware that the trans athlete debate was a \"dog whistle\", it's just one of the more obvious and egregious issues. Would you rather me bring up trans women in women's prisons and domestic shelters? Or children transitioning before their brains are even halfway developed?\n\nIt's easier to slap a label on someone for disagreeing with you rather than coming to terms with the fact that even people on your side of the political spectrum with zero ill-will in their hearts can see issues with parts of the trans rights movement. Believe it or not, there are people that want trans people to have equal rights and feel just as safe and comfortable in society as everyone else, but don't believe that should come at the cost of the rights and safety of others. There is a way to accomplish equality without trampling over others and shouting people down when they bring up valid criticisms.\n\nBut like I said, when you can't argue a point on its merits, it's pretty easy to sidestep the argument completely and just call someone transphobic, which is exactly what you did.", "YoU dIDnT WaTcH tHe wHoLe ThInG", "There is a massive gulf between not wanting a show to be featured on Netflix vs. wanting to burn the footage. It is precisely this massive sense of entitlement, the petulant, whiny idea of \"Unless I'm being featured on the front page of the world's largest streaming service, you're censoring me!\" that drives all of this nonsense.\n\nI don't think that \"The Birth of a Nation\" should have its negatives destroyed but I'd be pissed as fuck if it got a hyped re-release at the cineplex.", "Dave Chappelle has become Bill Cosby.", "I wish he stop doing sermons and instead start doing comedy again. This shit is old now.", "> Joe Rogan comedy\n\nIts very very profitably to be a bigot; to act as a target and victim because of your shitty opinions.", "Hey, just so YOU know, the usage is much broader than that.\n\nhttps://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=boomer\n\n(of course I know the origin of the term)", "If you are fortunate enough to live in a place which protects freedom of speech, you're allowed to punch in any direction you choose, no need for any charts. Punching up means that the object of your humor enjoys greater privilege or status than yourself. Punching down means that the object of your humor enjoys less.\n\nGood comedy will usually punch both directions, if you agree that no one is above being mocked, either because of their importance or their fragility. If you ever want to hear some truly fucking dark comedy, visit a children's hospital, because they use humor as a coping mechanism the same as everyone else, and are coping with a hell of a lot more than most. It would nonetheless be punching down for a healthy adult to build a comedy routine around making fun of cancer kids.\n\nDave is in the difficult position of his success translating into an audience so large that his choice to make trans people an integral part of his comedy can be seen as punching down because he is legitimizing anti-trans rhetoric. He is choosing to add his voice to that side of the current public discourse, which is a conscious decision on his part. Dave is not an idiot, and he knows this isn't a moment of \"Dave and Dave alone vs this entire community\", this is a time when the world is debating the nature of gender, and he is very publicly and very vocally choosing a side.\n\nAnd there's nothing wrong with that, the man's entitled to his opinion, he absolutely has earned the audience he enjoys, and he's free to speak his peace to whoever wants to listen.\n\nBut when he (the self-proclaimed GOAT), chooses to single out a specific comedian for whatever reason, that's definitely punching down.", "The media and Twitter are like the weather, but it's human made weather. And Dave is becoming the old man yelling at clouds. I actually live like 10 minutes from Yellow Springs too lol.", "It's also OK to be offended.", "Dave is not transphobic, and neither are people like me who think his special was funny and enjoyed the content. And he’s spent considerable time taking on hubris in literally every community and social construct (e.g., capitalism). You can have your belief, but I’m not sure you know much about Dave’s comedy. \n\nAlso, you might be tempted to reply with a series of quotes that you think are problematic and offensive, and I’ll reply with a series of quotes which are meant to unite and break down barriers. But quoting comedy performances is not exactly an ideal representation of someone’s views - and comedy performances often need cannot be understood through a literal lens anyway.", "So no, you can't come up with a coherent explanation. Thanks for making that clear to everyone.", ">It is being driven by special interest groups...and you know what special interest groups too.\n\nUhhhh no not really. Who are we talking about here? The liberal illuminati intelligentsia? The Jews? Reptilians?\n\nI can't really think of any groups that would have an ulterior motive for promoting the eradication of sex as a concept. Except maybe right wing conservatives who've become dependent upon this strawman to rally troglodytes like you to their cause.", "One they, or many theys?", "Maybe attempted murder is a tad more serious than strangers on twitter whining", "such a fake PR controversy. like, he kept on talking about it for the last years and how many specials? and along the way his social periscope just somehow got smaller and smaller.", "I wasn't offended by his bit, I just thought it wasn't funny. He just sounded like a boomer who has lost hold of the zeitgeist and is just yelling louder to be heard.\n\nDave has lost his touch, cancel culture be damned. He's just too rich and out of touch to have anything poignant to say.", "He's still my GOAT but he is aging in to later Carlin territory with discussion is place of jokes.", "Random (nobody) person on the internet tells Dave Chapelle how to manage his career. \n\nHe’s earned the right to talk about whatever he wants, if you don’t like it you don’t have to watch/pay attention to any of it and clearly you missed the point (and probably didn’t watch his special) if you think that’s all he’s discussing.", "He has made some and continues to make really eloquent points on the black experience, but they all ring hollow considering how little he cares for other marginalized people. \n\nFrom this point on, I don't really care what he has to say.", "What you're describing is still part of the market, it's people standing outside a store they're boycotting with signs and slogans, it just went digital.", "They didn't compare those two things\n\nThey wanted to show that just because someone was unsuccesful in their action against you doesn't mean everything is fine and dandy and you shouldn't be upset about it.\n\nThey used a blatant example to drive the point home. He did not compare \"getting cancelled\" and \"getting murdered\".\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAnother example would be: \"If someone tried to steal your wallet, but you had a safetychain. Would you still be mad at that person and call them a thief, or think everything is okay since they didn't actually steal anything in the end?\"\n\nAnd just to make sure: this isn't saying that a \"boycott\" a \"murder\" and \"petty theft\" are the same things.", "How did he lose? What has he done since coming back that hasn't been successful?", "No, it doesn't. There are millions of marginalised people.", "Tune in for my next* special about corporate censorship on the world's most popular and successful streaming platform!\n\n#UncancelChapelle\n\n/s", "Except she didn’t face that horrible backlash. That’s his way of managing his guilt. She committed suicide two weeks after he publically humiliated her and said she sucked as a comedian", "Fucking agreed dude, what's up with these comments?", ">Do whatever you want, but he can speak on it still.\n\nWhat a controversial yet brave idea! Yeah we should stop preventing Dave from speaking his mind.\n\nWait, if he can't speak up, how come he's got sveral Netflix specials and a ton of content out there, what is this video there for then?", "So close yet you missed the point. Using boomer in this way is culturally in direct response to calling all young people millennials.\n\nUsage defines language. The broad usage of boomer has expanded to the point that simply means a person with general ignorance. The same way that millennial just means someone generally young. They both have different original definitions, but that's what they mean now. If you don't like it, you can continue to complain that literally now also means figuratively.", "> he spends so much of his life in the rural midwest. He cant really relate to normal humans anymore.\n\n^ Typical anti-rural sentiment. His perspective being different is all the more reason for it to be explored and understood. Why do you want his comedy to be coming from the same old white, liberal, bicoastal urban perspective? Aren't you tired of that mainstream Hollywood view of America?", "> He always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community.\n\nAs though there aren't LGBTQ black people.", "I have no issue with someone making a broad argument against cancel culture and in favor of tolerating people you disagree with. But that wasn't what Chapelle did. He misrepresented her position in order to frame Rowling as reasonable and the trans activists as crazy radicals.\n\nChappelle did not say, \"Rowling said this thing I disagree with, but she shouldn't be canceled for it.\"\n\nHe said, \"Rowling said this completely sane and innocent thing which has resulted in the unjust ruination of her life.\"\n\nThis is like if JK Rowling had made the case in her essay that interracial marriage is bad and then a comedian got up on stage and said \"Rowling was canceled for saying that race is real\". That goes far beyond simply condensing the material for time.", "Fuck all these comments acting like Dave is some big issue lol", "[ Jump to 01:20 @ Dave Chappelle - Stunted \| Addressing the controversy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ290aGmVFY&t=0h1m20s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Daily Dose Comedy, Video Popularity: 98.16%, Video Length: [05:16])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@01:15](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQ290aGmVFY&t=0h1m15s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "I like his comedy, nobody is offensive anymore. I miss it.", "Space Jews ..........................Space Jews.", "Sure, perhaps. He shits on everyone. Blacks included.\nHe’s had a thing for going for the taboo and right now trans are the taboo topic. It’s kind of his schtick. Expected.", "[It needs to be seen by everyone!](https://youtu.be/hQXpSQtB150?t=89)", "She is a professor of Philosophy, this is part of philosophy and philosophy has been deeply engaged in scientific discussion since ancient history. [In fact, Science grew out of philosophy](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_philosophy). Today, philosophy that discusses scientific topics is called \"[philosophy of science](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science)\" and there's also \"[philosophy of technology](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_technology)\".\n\nIt's easy to make it sound like she's not speaking from her field of interest when you vaguely say she's a \"humanities professor\" and not what she actually does.\n\nSo why have philosophers been discussing science long before science was even a thing and were never told \"you are not a scientific professor\" or \"you are not a computer science / physics / chemistry / biology professor\" yet the rules are suddenly changes when the topic of discussion moves to \"transgender\"?", ">He read it and bought into the trans-exclusionary message.\n\nThis is explicitly the case. He calls himself a TERF in the special", "Sounds like something a boomer would come up with.", "Also, he always sets it up as it being the blacks against the trans, completely failing to realise or address that... there's LGBT+ black people. Trans black people are some of the most discriminated against people in the US.", "/r/im14andthisisdeep", "It's like hearing about how Trump was taking a stand against Twitter while they were bending over backwards with changing the rules to avoid banning him lol", "Oops the patient died because of our lack of medical specificity. Oh well. You win some you lose roughly 1 in 10,000.", "I don't disagree that people generally understand, but why worry about people using a more accurate term if it is needed?\n\nWe got on for years ignoring the needs of all sorts of groups. I'm not sure that has always been a great thing. Sometimes we need to redefine the words we use, partner is often a better term than girlfriend. That does not mean we cannot use girlfriend in our speech. But getting upset that I talk about my partner feels petty.\n\nFemale bodies vs bodies with vaginas both feel contrived so we should at least use the correct if cumbersome term. For most of life women is a good catch all but sometimes it isn't going to be. Personally I like to talk about people but sometimes it isn't explicit enough. Sometimes adults would be a better word.", ">look at what the consensus is.\n\nHow do we know what the consensus is though? For example, what is the consensus opinion on The Closer in the trans community? We know some are vocally opposed, but are they the majority? What about those who are quiet because they have nothing to say or have no objections?\n\nThe squeaky wheel gets the grease.", "I can see how you’d think that but his last line of Closer was “Don’t cancel my people. “ and that was referring to canceling Comedians not black people. Although I can see how one might see out the other way, the pictures the cycled through at the end enforces the Comedian angle.", "> His claim that nobody in the queer community has had a problem with him is desperately transparent spin and demonstrably untrue to anybody who's spent a few minutes on the internet since.\n\nJust for the record, I'm LGBT+, I have an issue with him. It's mostly that this crusade against trans people he has is weird as fuck, and it's not funny to hear the equivalent of 15 year old 4chan memes come from what I believed to be one of the top level comedians. On top of that, his only defense for why these jokes were okay? \"My dead trans friend thought I was funny\", yeah well I have a black friend who says I can say the N-word, does that mean I call you that, Dave?", "She also said that trans women will attack people in bathrooms. Soo maybe you didn’t do enough research.", "> I don’t care if he tells a bunch of jokes I don’t find funny, but transphobia is never okay.\n\nHilarious that the left-wing comedy establishment have made raunchiness, irreverence, and offensive humor their go-to for decades, but when they are on the receiving end they suddenly become so indignant.", "> She refused to refer to her transgendered coworkers as their chosen gender.\n\nThat's not hostility. Hostility is being coerced by your workplace to use language you don't want to use.", "How is explicitly saying being trans is like black face a joke? What is a joke about saying you support TERFs who spread hate?", "Dave is a legend so if he’s more popular than ever then more power to him, I just know personally the last few specials have been pretty dry and I’ve seen a lot of people saying the same things in reviews. I don’t really know how to measure how popular someone is so you could be right.", ">Boycotting would be NOT WATCHING HIM. They are trying to prevent other people from watching him.\n\nBoycotting is named after a successful campaign to have everyone refuse to do business with Mr. Boycott so that Ireland became literally unlivable for him. Not a campaign to just individually not do business with him if you didn't like him.", "> Seinfeld is the most overrated comedian ever.\n\nSo if I like him, does that mean I'm wrong?", "holy hell, why is there any problem? did people forget what comedy is\n\nAmerica get your shit together ( corporations ) and stop doing stupid shit like attacking people because its fashion.... fuck \n\nlets move the world forward not stupid", "There's plenty of people who get cancelled and never come back, but you don't hear from them again so people just sorta forget about them. It is rarer with huge celebrities though.", "A not-insignificant number of trans rights activists absolutely do dispute the idea that sex is real. They will insist in all seriousness that every trans women is “biologically female.” They will say this even about a trans woman who had a non-medical transition after having children using her sperm.\n\nIt’s not a straw man if people actually argue it.", "Could you point out where they're offended?", "The vast majority of the World believes in a God too. Just one, though, the rest are made up. \n\nPeople can be wrong about something, even if they believe it with all of their heart.", "If you go this far out of your way to try and make strangers on the internet feel bad, I can only imagine how miserable it is to know you in person.", "gender is a fact bitches", "lmao \n\nhttps://youtu.be/WHCNxsFuO8Y \n\nHere’s some disabled people jokes from a comedian with multiple Netflix specials. Zero controversy", "You should see the rate of actual medical errors and start praying it was that low.", "I don't think he was ever really defending Dababy as a person, I think he just thought it was funny that nobody cared about this guy killing a random black man in a Walmart but it's the end of the world when you insult the LGBQT community.", "You’re insane if you think the right cancels more than the left. This has to be the dumbest thing I have read today. \n\nOur party is filled with simpering fools on the far side just like the Republican Party, our far left cries much harder though.", "A lot of people think he quit his show for the reasons he said, because he felt he was being taken advantage of blah blah blah. I think some leaders in the black community told him to stop because he wasn't representing his people the way they wanted. That's why he abruptly quit his show, ditched his friends and literally went to Africa. He was the highest paid person on television. It's not like Comedy Central wasn't paying him handsomely. \n\nSo now he comes back and he's taken all of the black communities problems and grievances on his shoulders and he's a \"commentator\" now. It's different.", "you are all just as fucking guilty of what you are accusing others of. shut. up.", "Issues facing black people cannot be centered by mainstream corporate interests because it would require addressing income inequality and other forms of economic justice.\n\nGender politics therefore has become the darling cause of the corporate media because it’s a way they can continue to seem progressive without centering issues that actually affect the vast majority of struggling people.", "He's directly addressing a person he agrees with. He's not trying to win over the support of that person.", "No! Curse you!\n\nFoiled yet again by mathemalphabetics!", "This is bull shit . As a black man he wants to champion this cause. This is like saying save the whales doesn't care about dolphins being killed. Sounds like some All lives matter crap.", "OOTL - what's the story there?", "I'm sure the world really is that simple for you.", "It's never been simple.", "Her hate for men?", "Can you recommend one also on Netflix? Watched this one and found it not funny at all 😅", "I see the point of 'identity politics' being that the tribes already exist but everyone denies it. Like the \"I don't see color\" kinds of racists", "Well yeah. He’s getting older and more and more out of touch with the modern trends, that’s the truth. If we want someone with better analysis on today’s hot button topics we’re probably going to have to look to a much younger comic.", "That's his point. I'm a white guy and he makes fun of white people all the time. It's funny and nobody is offended because it would be ridiculous. He makes fun of everyone and pulls no punches.\n\nDave has always been very \"pro black\", for lack of a better word, (meaning that we has always pointed out inequalities and oppression while trying to teach people) even back to his days in movies like Undercover Brother when he played Conspiracy Brother.", "Absolutes never translate well in real life. But if a category of people are disproportionately murdered because of who they are, it might give you a good clue.", "Give me a break dude. Addressing people how they prefer to be addressed = basic respect, and if you actively disrespect coworkers on a daily basis, you're creating a hostile work environment. It costs you nothing to be respectful, whether or not you \"agree\" that a person is who they say they are. You are not being oppressed.", "In principle I agree with using inclusive language when it can be done without causing confusion, without using convoluted language and without alienating or dehumanising people. But we are at the point where Ruth Bader Ginsberg's quote about women's rights is being edited by the ACLU to avoid using the term woman. Where a medical journal is not only avoiding the term \"women\", but won't even use the biological term \"female\". Where meaningless, confusing terms like \"non-prostate haver\" are being used, and parental leave policies are deliberately edited to remove any instance of the word \"mother\".\n\nI don't know what the solution is, but this is not it.", "> Addressing people how they prefer to be addressed = basic respect\n\nAddressing and referring are not the same thing. One is a first-person exchange, and the other is a third-person exchange.\n\nIf I don't agree with a person, I simply won't talk to that person. In a business environment, it's tough to not talk about a person, though. And when you are talking about a person, why does that person get to dictate my preferences?\n\n> You are not being oppressed.\n\nIf you think that, you know nothing about me.", "Of course, was more talking about it being a common held belief by the vast majority of people. Still don't know how anyone can claim that mtf vagina is the same as a real one.", "Ah yea I can only laugh at jokes that haven’t been fictionalized in the slightest as well.", "Zero controversy? https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-downes-tom-segura-netflix-down-syndrome-20180715-story.html", "Yes.\n\nCancel Culture: Targeting the persons ability to make money by driving businesses to stop hiring them or giving them a platform.\n\nBoycot: Targeting your peers and telling them to stop viewing that persons content.\n\nIn one case, you are taking away the ability for someone to produce content. In the other, you are trying to convice others to stop viewing the content.\n\nThey are very different things. With a boycot, I still have a choice as a consumer. With cancel culture, the choice has been taken away from me.", "No one can take a joke apparently. People get so butthurt over everything and can't find humor in anything. That special was amazing.", "\"Hi I'm Josh nice to meet you.\"\n\n\"Nice to meet you Fuckface.\"\n\n\"Uh haha, but like I said it's Josh.\"\n\n\"No I'm pretty sure it's Fuckface.\"\n\nThat's pretty fucking hostile. Addressing someone by their chosen name and pronoun is a completely reasonable bare minimum level of respect for a workplace to expect from their employees.", "Clearly you have no idea how comedians interact with eachother.\n\nBut sure Dave is totally the problem. Once the LGBTQ community cancels him their domination of the comedy profession will be complete. \n\nAlso I am petitioning for the release of Da Baby", "You are jumping into threads about Chappelle and writing legit essays espousing your personal view over a comedian you don't like or watch.\n\nTouch grass dude. This is half of every comedians issue - people like yourself. You are in no way involved in the issue, even to the point that you didn't even watch the special, and yet you feel the need to involve yourself.", "Porque no los dos?", "Is he still complaining about being cancelled while performing on the biggest stages in the world and getting paid a shit ton of money?", "He's basically a guy who knows nothing about guns waving a gun around and telling everyone to relax. It's irresponsibly ignorant and I'm so sick of his and everyone else's defense of \"well my trans friends aren't bothered\" when that defense of racist humor has always pissed him off. His entire schtick for the past decade has been \"I don't care about anything but the struggles of black men.\" Well he's getting paid hand over fist for defending black men in front of millions worldwide, and LGBTQ+ people are losing their jobs for defending themselves. It's obnoxious and disingenuous. How he went from being someone so completely empathetic and so enlightened to this embittered counter-bigot is baffling.", "Wasn't me. Was some other commentor, but as someone else has responded explaining what the other commentor meant, I'll leave it there and remind you that you are a bad faith actor looking for upvotes and praise over actually finding common ground (and therefore a perfect example of everything wrong with reddit).", "Wasn't trying to be deep, bud. Lol", "What the hell is a controversial mark?", ">His main point was: I’m not transphobic just because I make jokes.\n\nWhy not though?\n\nIsn't somebody who makes racist jokes a racist?", "I think you may need to read again.", "Dave doesn't need to do anything you suggest.\n\nYou've completely missed his point. The whole issue is HIS artistic freedom, FFS.", ">Dave Chapelle obviously does not have any animosity towards transgender people.\n\nDid we watch the same special? Excuse me?\n\n\"I'm team TERF.\"\n\nA terf: a feminist who excludes the rights of transgender women from their advocacy of women's rights.\n\nSo whether or not he actively feels animosity towards them or not, he has firmly planted his flag in the territory of people who do. \"I don't punch trans people on the street, I don't hate them. I don't care if people do, though.\"\n\nThe TERF comment is the problem, not the trans jokes.", "I wasn't the least bit offended by it.\n\nIt was barely a comedy show though. 40 minutes of pissing and moaning and 10 minutes of comedy isn't good entertainment.\n\nHe comes off just as soft as the people he's criticizing.", "An opinion piece isn’t exactly controversy, you can comb through the internet/news publications to find whiny people complaining because they don’t have a sense of humour and are jealous that others do. Was there a walkout at Netflix over seguras stuff? Protests? Nah. \n\nI’m sorry you feel the need to use disapproving of comedy as an outlet to showcase your fake sense of moral superiority though.", ">I don't think he's pretending its all white people, he's saying the only one anyone gives a flying fuck about is the white people.\n\nBut it's not true. \n\n>He's also making the point that he doesn't think a lot of the people being very vocal actually speak for that community, and I think he's also pointing out that most people speaking the loudest are just cis white women.\n\nBut it's not true.\n\nThe most vocal people are trans people.", "Only if we actually heard some funny jokes on those specials eh?", "First you want them to be treated just like everyone else, the next you want them to be treated as special, no joke can be made about them, make up your mind.", "I was there. This was after the three hour long show of various comedians and Dave for an hour. He told the audience he had to film something after he was done if we wanted to stick around and I’d say 90% of people stayed. That’s why everyone is standing — something you don’t typically do at a comedy show for an extended period of time.", "Ok if the only contention here is confusion about the words \"address\" and \"refer\" then I can quickly clear things up:\n\nShe misgendered people to their face.", "Did you all mean to jerk yourselves into a circle?", "Seriously, so many snowflakes. Dave, as always, killed it in that special. People don't want to laugh at anything and rather complain and be offended by a joke.", ">In my opinion, once you say something like that its kinda hard to say \"oh but I'll treat all my student fair, I promise\" \n\nUniversities are not places of friendship or places you go to have your feelings coddled, they're places of research and rigorous academic debate.\n\nIf you begin to cancel people because your feelings were hurt then you not only undermine the purpose of universities but also some of society's longest standing running democratic instructions.", "Found the racist, guys.", "Cancel culture is literally just boycotting that conservatives have vilified.\n\nThere is no cancel culture.", "> And as we've all learned over the past few years, saying something mean in jest isn't always OK; because a lot of people hear that as permission to say the mean thing in earnest.\n\nI like Bill Burr because he does these subtle things in his sets that stops this from happening when he does racial humor. Like he'll do [THIS](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96gvp5p3F0g) and mocks the MAGA idiot before his confirmation bias is triggered.", "He doesn't attack anyone. Its called jokes.", "Corporate influence is directly related to customer feedback. Netflix isnt trying to stop you, Dave. People are trying to use Netflix to stop you. Why? Because they don't share your checking account and have no other means for their voices to be heard.", ">There were people trying to get Netflix to take down his special. I'm not sure how you can say that's just \"people not liking you\".\n\nSo what? Why should those people have their right to free speech cancelled? Why aren't they allowed to express their opinions? Why aren't they allowed to boycott companies? Why aren't they allowed to spend their money as they wish on companies they feel share their values?\n\nCancel culture is just free speech by people you hate. That's all.", "Why are people or why am I? I do not want war. My problem is not with the 18 year old having sex but with the 38 year old acting like a creep.", "I hate this fad of comedians complaining about cancel culture.", "Approximately 1.7% of the population is intersex. There are other ways people “do not fit as neatly into one biological sex category.” This is also approximately the number of people who have red hair, but we have no problem recognizing red hair as a common human characteristic that has plenty of representation.", "You didn't watch the special at all.", "What you described is free speech and free association.\n\nThat's what cancel culture is. Free speech and free association by people who don't like you. Most likely they don't like you because you expressed how much you didn't like them.", "Cause he was making a point.", "Ugh, no. She was never fuuny.", "Corporate Generated Interest.", "Seinfeld does a very specific kind of comedy, that works really well with people who like him, because they like him. They like his voice. They like his cadence, his timing. The joke doesn't matter anymore, because he is able to string them together with longer bits of rhetorical wit, that cadence, timing. He observes more than he jokes. But make no mistake, he has the thing down to a science and times his laughs with his chuckles.", "Well said. It's odd people are trying to make the 'cancel culture isn't real' argument under a video where Dave outlines how his movie won't be touched by virtually all studios. If he wasn't one of the greatest comedians of all time he'd be gone.", "Them you are clueless.", "Stay out of America.", "Probably cause you're dumb.", "I took his angle to be less anti-trans than anti-straight white people who are super into using Trans issues as ammunition to gain social standing with other straight white people. \n\nShockingly, straight white people are now making a big show of being offended on behalf of a group they don't traditionally give a fuck about, because they don't like being framed as the villain. \n\nThe special wasn't particularly funny but his points about white people getting to choose what is the current popular oppression to attack were pretty interesting.", "He didn't choose to. People got butthurt over some jokes and he tries to address it.", ">Because they're not trying to boycott him, they're trying to fucking remove him from Netflix. Boycotting would be NOT WATCHING HIM.\n\nThose are both boycotts. There is nothing wrong with telling your friends not to watch him and to ask the company not to broadcast it.\n\nYou hate the fact they exercise their free speech and free association but those are freedoms they have just like chapelle has the freedom to shit on anybody he doesn't like.\n\n> meanwhile hundreds and hundreds of people are being deplatformed so that nobody is able to hear.\n\nDeplatformed? You mean being kicked out of private property? Yea that's what happens when you act like an asshole on private property. You get kicked out.\n\n>You know how much stuff there is that offends my sensibilities on Netflix, on Youtube, on virtually every fucking platform? You know what I do? I ignore it\n\nThat's you though. Why do you want to deny other people the right to speak out and act?", "> There are other ways people “do not fit as neatly into one biological sex category.”\n\nWhat are you referring to?\n\n>This is also approximately the number of people who have red hair, but we have no problem recognizing red hair as a common human characteristic that has plenty of representation.\n\nI really don't see how that is comparable or relevant. What are the scenarios where common language could exclude redheads?", "You really are missing the point. Chicken hawks who are excited to send recent HS graduates to war are fucking creepy also. The 18 year olds are never the creepy ones but rather the people twice their age.", "Fuck wokeness. It's a pernicious religion.", "$730 to go see this movie in Toronto through Live Nation. Do with this what you will.", "Bravo. Spot on.", "Interesting take…\n\nNot to be argumentative here… but if this was an African American pro athlete speaking out would you go “shut up and play your sport”. \n\nSee a lot of those kinds of comments in this thread with a complete lack of self awareness. \n\nDo entertainers and athletes get to have a voice and address things important to them or not? Can’t have it both ways based on the content you choose to watch. \n\nHe’s using his platform which is no different than Kaepernick using his platform. And before you tell me the situations are different… they were both using the platform they were given to address issues they were facing off field/stage", "creeping into their lives? I literally just read a comment on reddit.", "Much more funny than Chappelle. So’s Hannah Gadsby. Dave’s literally always punching down, unless it’s at white people.\n\nMaybe it’s “because you’re dumb.” Maybe it’s because “you can’t take a joke.” Maybe it’s because you’re a “snowflake.” \n\nMaybe it’s because you align with his shitty views on trans people.", "Well he was a writer on the show. You could make the case that he was giving better material to his castmates. I dunno. I don't love his method of saving every single joke in a box. It seems much harder to throw everything away every special. But the guy can craft a joke. Deep down he's about the semantics and syntax of joke making.", "I want old Chappelle back :(", "Nope, it came right after he talked about Dababy and Kevin Hart.", "You're putting a bunch of words in my mouth. When did I express a desire for either of those things?\n\nCan you explain the joke in saying you support JK Rowling, think \"gender is a fact\" and are on \"team TERF?\" Does he not believe these things? Does he find them laughable? Because to me they just sound like the genuine beliefs of a transphobe.", "Thank you. Additionally, Dave points out how willing the entire non black population of the US is ready to forget about black rights. He doesn't like the attitude that some other communities have borrowed from the white elite, we're gonna tell you how it is and you're gonna like it.", "Because those were all made before the controversy? They aren't relevant, what is is what comes after and so far it's only this", "Dave didn’t say Netflix was trying to stop him", "His wife is Asian. It’s not that he doesn’t care, he’s just not choosing to be the spokesperson. That’s way different than not caring…", "Obviously he’s not censored.", "I agree with this but I would add the whole Da Baby thing as well. It's not the LGBT community's responsibility to know what every artist have done. It's silly to ask them to react to a random artists shooting someone before they react to the same artist saying something derogatory.\n\nIf the LGBTQ community had been celebrating him as a hero for shooting someone and then getting upset when he said some bad words I would agree with Dave but as of now it has nothing to do with eachother.\n\nI also felt like the \"I have trans friends\" was just another version of \"I can't be racist, I have black friends\".", "No, I didn’t do research. Don’t plan on it either,", ">And I understand where these people are coming from. Trans people take a lot of fucking abuse, man.\n\nMostly self-inflicted, but go on.", "So we are just making shit up now I guess?", "Nah. Obviously your wrong. No one is debating his lack of poignance.", "Not for the lack of trying.", "It gets old when one group has no sense of humor about anything and feels attacked when Dave has done this his entire career. No one gets a pass, its ridiculous to think so. I'm white and his jokes about white people are hilarious. So much non-controversy. If you don't like his comedy, then its simple, don't watch it.", "Tom and Bert come to mind on this one. They love to bleep out the names and say shit lol.", "Lol yea no. Guess you never been to any trump rallies. Open minded black men are not given microphones there", "I believe he can sympathize but is gingerly jealous (he may have even said this) of the progress others have made in comparison. \n\nHe's seems jealous that in the hundreds of years of black oppression it's still a debate when an unarmed black man is suffocated on video by authorities. But if you silly simply made a joke about a different community you are a pariah without question.\n\nKindof a shitty analogy but imagine having devoted even just 5 years to a craft or job doing incredible back breaking and ground breaking work only to have a person get hired and a week in be promoted as CEO. An account of \"wtf jealousy\" would creep in. Now imagine hundreds of years of collective work, with historical significance, martyrs, violence, oppression, etc... And then having another group get more societal defence in a fraction of that time. \n\nNow does that give anyone jealous or not the right to poke fun at actions else? No it doesn't, you'd hope a little that groups of different backgrounds would work to raise each other up and become stronger as a whole. \n\nBut too he is a comedian and such is the purpose of his craft. He may not be going at the issues in the right way, still in as much as some say he isn't sympathizing with other groups there are those who aren't sympathizing with his feelings of \"why are you getting it better than us when we're all in the same boat?\"\n\nAnd I'm a straight white male. I have no idea of the trials any minority group had to contend with. Just what see when I listen to him and others in regards to him. \nHopefully regardless of it all we can make progress to a point where these aren't even debates or stand up special topics in the future.", "Yeah like that'll stop anyone from seeing it 🙄", "Cause we don't have sticks up our asses like many Europeans.", "This is so dumb. Do you even watch comedy. Worst take of whole feed lol", "glad I scrolled down to read this.", "Your analogy is terrible. It wasn’t a bad song. People are just offended by the content. Not the same thing at all.", "you're. Contractions.", "This! Also, why does he even care about making transgender jokes? I don't even care particularly about this so called fued but the closer was his least funny show yet. There were maybe a few jokes but otherwise I was bored. He is so caught up in addressing his critics, he has forgotten what made him great! Impressions, master storytelling. Everything seems to have gone to his head.", "Dave has done this for years. Where have you been?", "I haven’t even seen the special but was a fan since the original Chapelle Show. Recently all he seems to do is whine and complain behind a cloak of comedy. I think he was on a Talkshow or maybe on SNL (where he was smoking in the opening bit - WTF!) and you can just tell that he’s purposely making racist jokes targeting not-black people to see if the audience will still laugh even though he’s being a douche. Then there was some crying how he’s not making enough money from his old shows because of old contracts. Dude just got $80 mill from Netflix but he talks about being oppressed. I’m over his shit.", "Except its petty as shit, and you can do it with any marginalized group and issues involving them.\n\nLike black men face a lot of racism in this country but they still get to enjoy the benefits that society has throughout history afforded men over women in many cases, like they got to vote before women, that doesn't make their issues or causes any less significant though.", ">Advocates [started a petition](https://www.change.org/p/netflix-take-it-down-netflix) [96,732 supporters] to get Netflix to take it down. Special Olympics athletes made personal pleas to Segura and Netflix in June.\n\nWtf is your definition of controversy if this ain't it?", "Jesus you have no sense of humor. Go away.", "I... I think his set is an hour of the same unfunny shit in the clip.", "> You can do a good trans joke that doesn't make people freak out and doesn't bow down to the SJW agenda\n\nI honestly don't even think that's possible at this point.\n\nWhen people made jokes about caitlyn jenner, that weren't hateful trans jokes by any stretch, they were called \"transphobic jokes\" just because the person at the jokes expense was trans.\n\nAnd if you look at this curent controversy it's completely* outsized if you consider the actual things chappelle said and the tone and context behind them.\n\nThe reason for that is that some trans people decided it offended them, and then everyone ran with that as \"well that means it's highly offensive totrans people, and that means it's transphobic\" and then you have a ton of people who didn't even watch the special making up their mind about what happened. And it's all pretty much proving Chappelle's point. If some people on twitter declare something to be \"offensive\" suddenly it is, and you can't argue it's not anymore, it's decided. That's all it takes.\n\nIt's all completely stupid. If someone says something that's actually hateful or inciting, by all means make a big deal about it. If they didn't and that's not their purpose behind saying it by any stretch, whatever. You can be personally disappointed by it all you want but it doesn't have to become some huge controversy.", "How dumb are you?", "Subjectively, it was a concert with bad songs. It was content of those songs that people didn't like, they didn't like it because it was offensive and harmful, a valid criticism. Content being offensive is a valid criticism. If you cannot handle criticism, get off the stage.", "He's got a weapon!", "Your argument makes little sense in light of the government actively taking steps to help certain classes of people to the detriment of other classes of people, simply because the government sees the former class as more victimized than the latter.", "Oof. And you just wanted him to dance for you, huh? Whooosh", "It's gonna be pretty fing hard to censor a dude with that much money", "The problem is, that didn't actually happen. Yes, she supported Dave Chappelle. And she got some criticism for it, but not harassment. And she killed herself, but there's no evidence that it has anything to do with her defense of Chappelle. The whole narrative of \"these trans activists on Twitter bullied another trans person to suicide\" is completely false.", "> This is like if JK Rowling had made the case in her essay that interracial marriage is bad and then a comedian got up on stage and said \"Rowling was canceled for saying that race is real\". That goes far beyond simply condensing the material for time.\n\nman you're killing it in this thread. kudos.", "If you think he’s open minded…", "Weird I thought reddit loved this guy. Why are you all annoyed at him now?", "Wait... What art has protection from criticism? Isn't it, like, integral to art itself that people are able to view it, be affected by it, and voice their feelings of it?\n\nIt's not pushing a boundary if there isn't allowed to be a boundary for them to push against.", "Begone, TERF.", "Source?", "> but because the entire point of it was that black people are bigger victims than LGBTQ+ people. The entire thing was him saying \"my race has had it worse than your gender/sexuality\".\n\nThat was discussed as a retort to the trans communities sentiment. It being necessary to discuss doesn't make it the point. \n\n\"We've got it bad stop making it worse\" \n\n\"You've been doing exactly what you're accusing me of, here's examples and support for my position, stop it\"", "I believe strongly in equity and respecting people's lived experienced. Both of my significant others so far have been trans folx, and regardless of how my last relationship ended doesn't change my ability to properly gender my ex. \n\nI react strongly to bigotry.\n\nI'm curious as what you found wild about it.", "I thought the whole point was to point out how toxic the LGBT community is online.\n\nWhich it is. They refuse to admit they have a problem.\n\nedit: so far the defense of the now very public bullying of Daphne by the LGBT community is that Daphne did not specifically say that is why she jumped. So you can't blame the LGBT community and their bullying. So they get to continue being bullies since they feel they are bullied. At least that is what u/RocketQ came up with and by upvotes that seems to be the popular excuse.\n\nI still feel if they could just stop being such toxic assholes, that would be great.", "What I mean is that people tend to understand “biological sex” as male, female, or a “combo” of the two, intersex. Sex however is not a binary, and there is no real scientific evidence to suggest that it is (1). It is far more useful and accurate to view sex as a spectrum, along which there are many “points” for someone to fall on. There are “women” who produce far more testosterone than men but otherwise present pretty “typical female characteristics” and vice versa. Furthermore, a lot of “biological sex characteristics” aren’t biological sex characteristics at all, just things we’ve arbitrarily associated with maleness and femaleness (ie body hair). \n\nAnd you’re right, there aren’t scenarios where language really excludes redheads. Thats the point. Our language isn’t built to do that because we take it as an inherent class of hair color, despite its apparent rarity, and our language reflects that.\n\nEdit: \nCitation 1 Sex Redefined Ainsworth, 2015, Nature 518, p. 288-291 https://www.nature.com/articles/518288a", "Right, but you look to Dave for nuance. His whole schtick claims to be pointing out the lack of nuance from woke culture, but he's bemoaning the fact that social change is happening faster and with more demand. He's experiencing a gut reaction and refusing to check his ego about it which is the same mistake so many white people make when they see marginalized groups asking for more equality. \n\nI dunno, it feels like someone who had to pay their way through school and struggling to do so getting upset when the issue of free college comes up. I get it, but if you put your ego aside you can be optimistic about things getting better.", "She is a philosopher and philosophy of science is a real thing.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy_of_science", "Is it not true? You a white Aussie, who’s never been to the US giving your input on race relations and the treatment of blacks in comparison to the recent mistreatment of the LGBTQ community; a trait they can hide, unlike skin tone is very tone deaf.", "I think that if you read further comments down the chain of this conversation, specifically the last one, you may understand my opinion more completely. Although you have it pretty close here\n\n>\"I don't punch trans people on the street, I don't hate them. I don't care if people do, though.\"\n\nHe's still transphobic, just not actively hateful. \n\nI disagree that the terf comment in and of itself is the problem though. In isolation of the particular joke he was telling he was using the term to identify himself as someone who is against \"cancel culture\". His further jokes implying that Trans women aren't real women are much worse in my opinion. There he pretty firmly plants the belief that trans women are at best quasi-women and that runs directly against the movement and really highlights his ignorance.", "\"Its just jokes you don't understand comedy\"", "> Daphne the transgender\n\nOof", "It literally did not. Go rewatch the special.", "Its been so many specials now. I went to Colorado to see him and he had to take time out to talk about trans stuff. Like if its just jokes and you're just an irreverent goof then you don't need to spend the majority of your time defending it.", "You are what makes Reddit awful", "Yeah I watched a few episodes of comedians getting coffee or whatever and realized \"wow, this dude is kinda an asshole\"", "He said that second comment specifically about white women.", "I imagine it's hard for someone to magically erase 40+ years of old understanding sex and gender all in favor of what some angry white person is shouting at you on twitter.\n\nHe's mentioned he's open to talk to actual people about their experiences and I imagine given those opportunities he can grow as a person.\n\nContinuing to shout at him over the internet isn't going to accomplish that, and that's the majority of what he's actually complaining about, not trans people themselves.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nThe difference between Chappelle and the alt-righters that people seem to now be trying to compare him to is the latter are actually coming from a place of hate and have zero interest in talking to people who are different from them and learning from it.", "[This one was good.](https://www.netflix.com/title/80230402)", "I am not saying identity politics is a strategy the Right is using as a divide and conquer tactic on the Left in order fracture it into a bunch of subgroups with only tangentially related objectives, but it might as well be.", "Again that's branding. They don't want to sully their festival reputation by having a controversy person attend.", "I didnt say that's what Dave said. People are trying to use Netflix to stop him. Not that Netflix is trying to stop him. \n\nDave said \"it's not me versus the LGBTQ community, it's me versus corporate interests.\" The corporate interests is what I'm talking about. People who aren't extremely wealthy collect together to put pressure on companies to change corporate interests.", "🙄\n\n\nI'm sure quote mining a word or two out of the whole hour in an attempt to strawman and position a loaded question to poison the well so you can move the goalposts based on the response will prove your point.", "It was the greatest free marketing, I wouldn’t have re subscribed to Netflix if I wasn’t so curious to see what the big fuss was about. I got to check out squid game and the Irishman in 4k hdr though which was nice.", "> Ruth Bader Ginsberg's quote \n\nmis-quoting is just annoying and defeats the point. However summarising is a different thing. But I don't know the details of this exact case.\n\n> won't even use the biological term \"female\"\n\nAvoiding the correct word is stupid but again context is important. I find medical journals often use words that seem clumsy but you could say the same about a mathematics journal but the exact words often carry exact meanings. Are you the target audience of the material that is offending you?\n\n> parental leave policies are deliberately edited to remove any instance of the word \"mother\".\n\nThis feels a poor example. Not all families are 'conventional' and caregiver is not a terrible word, even primary caregiver if you really need more precision. \n\n> I don't know what the solution is, but this is not it.\n\nI'd still worry about people being prejudice more that the odd bit of overzealousness by people who in all honesty are probably a bit confused and over-compensating.", "I have an interest. He is smashing down walls for comedians. He is making comedy great again.", "Zero Mostel said a society is as free as the volume of its laughter.\n\nThe radical left are destroying freedom as much as the radical right is destroying peace.", "No, not even close. Fuck this so much. What black people went through during slavery was 10 x worse. Slavery still exists today, and Africans are still going through it over seas. Fuck this shit, it's like comparing apples to oranges.", "exactly", ">can you stop to think a minute about in our patriarchal society, why Dave might find it offensive that a man stole away an award that is designed specifically for women (especially with the outrage about our patriarchal society where men in society take everything from women?).\n\nYou guys will come up with some creative bullshit to shit on trans people.", "The last two specials have been some boomer shit “humor” and you all know it.", "Begone, transphobe.", "Dave's history includes him disappearing to Africa because he didn't like that his jokes about black people were starting to be enjoyed by white people for the wrong reasons.\n\nThen he came back and started making jokes about trans people and all of a sudden he's got Donald Trump and Ted Cruz enjoying his jokes with Fox News working as his dejure PR firm.", "> and we have no interest in hearing him drone on about it\n\nI do. We have to fight for our freedom back again. The insane are declaring censorship over the sane. This must end.", "Yes. The answer is yes.\n\nYou want it to be no, but it's yes.\n\nPeople are mostly good, make mistakes and those things need correcting, sometimes through punishment and...listen closely... forgiveness.\n\nSeek justice for your friend and let all people heal.", "You mean the Justice Sacco who got her job back the company that fired her? Also, it's funny you left out her tweet that got her fired. I wonder why?", "No he’s still left, it’s just the rest of the liberals moved so far left that he now seems to be conservative.", "Why is this boomer still relevant?", "Good for him for refusing to bend to all this \"woke\" shit. Enough already.", "NEET millennials flood reddit. This is expected.", "Reddit = NEET millennials butthurt about EVERYTHING. Snowflake motherfuckers with no life. This is expected.", "Finish what he said. He said that straight people should be mad. I'm sure telling straight people that they should be mad at a particular trans person isn't going to cause any harm.", "And people still deny that “cancel culture” is a dog whistle.", "Ok, you win the oppression olympics. Happy? Congratulations, you're the bigger victim...\n\nOh wait, that's Jewish people. Thousands of years of persecution by the Egyptians, romans, and finally the nazis with the holocaust. Your struggles are irrelevant because they had it worse.\n\nFeels shit, doesn't it? To be told that your problems don't matter, because someone else has it worse.", "You finished your allegory too early. Then you use your friends suicide as a cudgel to insult black people. \"You blacks made my friend commit suicide. I can say what I like about black people, my black friend wasn't in your tribe, they were in mine\". Yeah that sounds pretty racist.", "I have. It did.", "He's going Full Lenny Bruce. Never go Full Lenny Bruce.", "I guess you missed the part where he said his movie was being pulled from being seen at film festivals, like all of them. That’s being canceled", "I don't really care what anyone believes, does that make me sexist, racist, islamaphobic, and transphobic?", "I'd suggest you take a look in the dictionary. you'd find that \"mathemalphabetics\" isn't a word, and this only muddies your point further.\n\n now that I have your attention, please take a look at these statistics and tables.", "Imagine the arrogance to say that george Carlin and Bill Hicks were not funny...", "Your blatant misquote of the “woman of the year” kinda shows your agenda, though.", "It doesn’t and if you call a Gen Xer a boomer in the real world they’ll just assume you have some form of mental impairment if they aren’t ever online and get how ever online 15 year olds started misusing the term.", "all right everyone, pack it in, /u/Willlll wasn't offended over it so there's nothing to see here.", "Was the bullying the reason Daphne committed suicide? Maybe not. But as people stated, it certainly didn't help.\n\nPeople bombarded her Twitter with such commentary as \n\n>He accepted you as the punchline of his jokes you idiot. Like are you straight up that stupid that you dont understand you're just validating his shittiness. It's the same \"I have a minority friend so its okay\" argument.\n\nand that's one of the tame ones. She received thousands of these messages every day. People, who believed they were doing social justice for the trans community, found their only outlet for doing so was by cutting one down and with some of the same arguments that you can see in this thread - conflating the issue to racism.\n\nSomeone killed themselves. The tens of thousands of people insulting her daily did not help with that.", "The fuck? The Walmart incident was self defense, insulting LGBT people is not self defense.", "Maybe nihilist? Define yourself by whatever makes you comfortable and respect what other people define themselves as and you'll do fine.", "if having a stick up your arse means you don't applaud at inappropriate times then LUBE ME UP CAPTAIN", "I didn’t realize he was coming out with a documentary.", "Where did I do that?", "How would you be able to make that claim lol. Even if you had read a thousand posts that are transphobic made by people who watched it, that doesn't even come close to being a meaningful portion of the number of people who watched and enjoyed it.", "> Give me an example of a famous celeb who's been cancelled and stayed canceled\n\nWhy are you intentionally limiting your scope to famous celebs? In doing so, you're feeding right into the whole point of the person to whom you are responding.", "I feel much better now, thanks.", "I mean the artist, not the art.\n\nObviously critique the art but it protect the artist is what I was trying to get at.", "P cringe", "Good why are you putting his rights over their? Why do racist and sexist celebs get to use free speech, but other don't?", "I didn't, but I guess claiming I did fits your narrative.", "Right free speech. Dave is a comedian, if you don’t like what he says then go. If you watch the whole show, word for word you know he’s not discriminating against transgender ppl. The irony lol.", "What’s the context then?", "Well...what are you going to do about it? Write an internet comment?", "Did you not read what you wrote?", "> or he admits that he agrees with TERFs that the identities of trans women aren't valid insofar as they can't rightly be called \"women\". T\n\nIs it that hard to listen? It doesn't matter what TERF actually means to you. He gave you a story about Rowling talking about gender because of which she was labeled TERF, therefore he states he is also a TERF. \n\nHe's not supporting whatever your sentiment of it's meaning, he's adopting how it was used against Rowling because he agrees with what was said to result in being labeled that way. \n\nSpecifically he says gender is a fact. But in both instances they are actually speaking of sex not gender. Chappelle clarifies this position quite clearly with his followup statements. \n\nPeople can have the \"opinion\" that sex is a fact without being transphobic.", "> prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized\n\nYou don't have to hate someone to think of them as a lesser person and being married does not factor into it at all.", "Ironically isn’t he the one who made the joke about being hungry and someone telling you about people starving in Africa to which he replies “Bitch, I’m still hungry”", "Is this the “canceling” he was talking about. Because I stumbled across this", "People cancel culture doesn't exist. It's just people not taking responsibility for their own actions. Guy at burger king calls someone the N word. He didn't get canceled. He got fired. For calling someone the N word. Get caught going to a white supremacist rally. Your company has the right to protect their brand and fire that guy.\n\nThe question is why do you think celebs like Dave don't have to be held responsible for things they said or do? Where's the line? If joked about fucking a 15 year would you still be defending him?", "You're a fool if you think nothing he's released since the 90's has been amazing.", "I think you’re ok with it because it doesn’t mean anything to you. But it means something to someone. Idk if it’s your place to tell them it shouldn’t matter to them because of art.", "Fuck this low hanging fruit guy. It's clear Dave doesn't even know what cancel culture is, other than a profit motive. I get it alot of cancel culture is fake social media outrage but some of it is real and shit like this distances the real people fighting for normalcy and acceptance.\n\nDave sits there after making $60m, after being protected by Netflix CEO, after real people were actually fired (cancelled) and now he has the balls to say he's being cancelled on another special? If you can't see that you're as blind as Dave is.\n\nDave was funny, but he was always the low hanging fruit kinda funny, and when he realized everyone was laughing at him and not because of his jokes he stopped being low hanging fruit Dave and went to Cancel Culture Dave. \n\nNow watch him and Rogan will grift a few million more bucks out of a Cancel Comedy tour where teamTerf will trend once a week. Btw the last two specials have been shit and I can be funnier for free Netflix.", "I made no comparison whatsoever. Didn't you read what I wrote?", "Well, I’m excited to see the empty seats when I buy tickets to the show ;)\n\nETA: aw come on, y’all said you weren’t going to the show! How’d it sell out in less than 30 minutes?", "So, if a white person told me they identified as black, I'd respect that. But deep down I don't really believe they're black. It's kind of the same with trans people. Based on some of the things trans people/allies say here, something tells me that's not enough for them.", "Why does everyone treat Dave like some kind of super genius calculated comedy god? The man hasn't been funny for years if it wasnt for the LGBTQ jokes his specials would be getting shit reviews, the people supporting him now aren't supporting his comedy they're saying fuck you to anyone who was offended. Take off your badass glasses for a sec and realize when he isn't trying to cause a controversy he's just a has been riding his own coat tail", "You know what bigotry is, right?", "He specified that “his people” were comedians. He said “she (Daphne) wasn’t her people she was my people, she was a comedian!” He didn’t say black comedian, he made it clear that it’s comedians of any color. This topic that comedians are being attacked by overly sensitive people is nothing new. Several comedians have said that they won’t speak at colleges anymore.", "Yeah he goes after everyone, but he specifically keeps coming back to this group and try’s to play philosopher instead of just telling jokes and moving on like used to. Idk why people keep making this point.", "Why though? The art is the artist; it represents their mind and their soul. If Dave Chappelle wasn't putting himself out there and putting his self on the line then no one would care. It's a risk that pays off for very few, and for Chappelle it's paid off huge.", "“Cancelling” isn’t a political thing. This is the problem lately, everybody rushes into their political corner as soon as a cultural controversy arises, which is seemingly daily now with these fucking screens in our pockets. Both the right and the left want to define what is appropriate or not, and sometimes one side is more right by their standards than the other. I’m fucking sick of it, grow the fuck up and stop politicizing every fucking little thing that happens.", "I guarantee that there’s a point you won’t let people talk shit about you. Especially strangers. Or am I wrong? Do you let everyone run their mouths about you as much as they want because you aren’t a rigid little turd?", "I watched the whole thing and it was the most unfunny, preachy special he has ever done, by far", ">In his 2021 Netflix special The Closer, Dave Chappelle likens his immune system fighting coronavirus to Black people violently beating up Asian-Americans.\n\n>Discussing DaBaby, Chappelle opines “In our country, you can shoot and kill a n-gga but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings.” A few beats later, he declares \"We Blacks, we look at the gay community and we go “Goddamn it! Look how well that movement is going.\"\n\n>By the time Chappelle declares that “gender is a fact” and that he’s “Team TERF” in solidarity with J.K. Rowling, I turned my television off because I wasn’t having fun anymore.", "I see none mentioned", "Oh it's definitely bullshit lol.", "If somebody says something I don't like, I ignore them and move on with my life. I don't ask their platform to cancel them.", "This dude doesn't even tell jokes. He just talks and hopes people laugh.", "Plus, there are non-white trans folks.\n\nBlack trans ppl are some of the most likely people in our society to die of violence.", "I think you should watch his special if you think he's punching down.", "this is not a modern problem. this is how people have acted for all of humanity. your biases are affecting your perceptions.", "I personally am happy he makes a stand, he should. There are a lot of other comedians who don’t have the flex he does that get bullied by cancel culture.", "He’s got that crowd circle jerking.", "The question wasn't what you think. It was why. Why do you think it's ok to hurl racist slurs at retail workers?", "No, he's upset because the success of the LGBT movement in America is predicated on leveraging its whiteness, and it's true. Same with feminism. If you had to name the person most influential in terms of the social normalization of homosexuality who would it be? Ellen Degeneres, that's who. And acknowledging that doesn't mean you deny the humanity of LGBT people or you're against the goals of their movement. It's a criticism, and it's a valid one. But people are so quick to be triggered and so unable to sort through layers of complexity and so unwilling to have their beliefs challenged or scrutinized thst they are missing the point altogether. Dave is still talking about race in America fundamentally, and I think he's still making salient points about it. \n\nThat being said, he also has massive blind spots when it comes to LGBT issues, the largest by far being that he fails to take the logical step of using that criticism to support LGBT POC in response to the white washing of LGBT, and in that way falls victim somewhat of the very thing he's criticizing. That's the biggest issue, not saying I'm \"team TERF\" or sarcastically referring to himself as \"transphobic comedian Dave Chappelle.\" But both these things can be true at the same time, because people are complicated and life is complicated -- Dave is making valid criticisms and the criticism of Dave is also valid.", "Their written demands don't say anything about removing Chapelle's content.", "> Why do you think it's ok to hurl racist slurs at retail workers?\n\nI don't think it's okay.", "God, leave it to Average Redditors to watch this very serious, very informative straight talk a very influential comedian is trying to tell you about how the media constantly pushes narratives to drive us apart and all you idiots can bitch about is \"muh CaNcEl KuLcHuRe Izn'T ReEL\"\n\nI swear, you guys fucking deserve this shit show of a timeline we live in right now", "\"To what degree do I need to participate in your delusion?\" - Dave Chapelle", "Who drives the businesses to stop hiring them?", "It wasn’t funny", "Hey man I'm gonna let you in on a little secret. Comedy specials are usually taped ON TOUR. Meaning if a fan wanted to, they could read reviews and recaps of a show in NY while waiting from him to come to the West Coast.", "You really need to get out more.", "Your absolutely right. That's actually pretty spot on. The concept that trans women can't REALLY be women is inherently transphobic. The concept may be difficult to grasp but for a lot of people, thinking that minorities are REALLY equal to them was much the same concept. We all have our biases and the best (and often hardest) thing to do is acknowledge them. \n\nI'm sure you think that's preposterous. The man I'm thinking of would obviously not be white. He would look perfectly black. I'll tell you from personal experience. I look white as wonder bread (probably from staying inside too much) but I'm Latino and I identify as such. The way you look doesn't determine who you are.", "Yeah but.. is isn't on my side, therefore strawmaning him isn't that much of a problem.", "It didn't.", "So he's basically saying \"before I listen to you, give me money\"?", "Do you happen to have the full set? Thanks in advance", "She didn't get 'canceled', she got fired. Disney had repeatedly warned her about what she was saying on social media and her holocaust comments were the last straw so they let her go. Businesses have been doing that kind of thing forever.", "And he is right about it. You would be sent to jail and die in jail for being gay in my country. LGBTQ+ people in USA and west in general are living in paradise compared to many other countries.", "I blame the Mandela effect", "None. You're free to be an asshole. Don't be surprised when I call you one.", "No that has everything to do with her breaching a contract with Disney and nothing to do with Twitter, you literally made that up in your head somewhere along the line lol. Disney has social media clauses with everyone they work with, they warned her about posting shit online, she didn’t listen.", "Unpopular opinion since Reddit circlejerks over Chapelle. \n\nHe’s not that funny. And he’s getting less and less funny every time he goes on victim rants.", "I think there's also the issue that equality/advancement movements in America tend to focus on middle class whites of a whichever group is being marginalized. So feminism ends up primarily being feminism for middle class white women. LGBTQ+ advancement is LGBTQ+ advancement for middle class whites who fall in those groups. I'm sure that is a factor in how he feels towards those groups since he sees people of color continue to be left behind, but as you point out, in the oppression olympics everyone loses (except cis-straight-white men like me)", "Who would have suspected a comedian of telling jokes?", "It’s hard for a guy with that level of celebrity to understand how far removed his bubble of perception is from the rest of ours. He assumes everyone knows his issues because (seemingly) everyone knows his name.", "All I saw was an ad for his new movie.", "is this /r/funny?\n\ndid anyone imply there were jokes based on the title?\n\n\"comedian speaking\" does not automatically mean \"comedy.\"", ">Wait, if he can't speak up\n\nThe person you replied to literally said he can speak up on it.\n\nYour inventing a controversy in your head.", "While that might be the point of identity politics, the function of it seems to be somewhat different: That you don’t as much fight the social injustice, but fight the perceived enemies of your tribe, or it’s competitors. \n\nAnd those two things are not at all alike.", "Do think people who do such a thing should be held accountable?", "And therefore want to prevent those people from having an audience.", "I'm getting very cult vibes", "lmao as if he was supposed to give out a comedy special for free.\n\nyall crack me up.", "Literally the worst take. There is NO debate about gender identity in the scientific community - go to the wiki article, it has tons of sources on research about what science has been developing theories on. Psychologists aren’t testing theories like “maybe trans women are men” and haven’t been for a looooong time. \n\nIf you’re an absolute nut job putting forth that kind of argument at a University you’re just incompetent to hold your position at all. Imagine a Professor of Law stating that head shapes determined intelligence because he’s seen some different head shapes and thought some people were stupid. If I were part of the faculty, I’d be calling that shit out too.", "Soooo... all of us who want Dave to get back to the funny weed and dookie jokes are akin to nazis? Hmm.", "Yes, of course. But \"accountability\" does not take just one form—just because any person can point to a particular form of accountability-rendering and prop it up as a good solution doesn't mean I support it.", "It is definitely becoming slang for old person. Young people are using it that way.", "Yes.", "I agree with this. It took a friend of mine to explain to me that what The Closer sounded like was \"The Suffering Olympics\". Whether intentional or not, it can come off that way. On the other hand, the points Dave makes are accurate. Both communities are beat upon by the white community and corporate interests, so they don't need to beat each other up as well.", "You're morally/factually wrong for doing X =! You shouldn't have the right to do X", "This is a really silly and reductive stance.\n\nIt's like if OP started talking about all the harm that can come out of unchecked corporate greed and then you follow up with \"you've just described capitalism\".\n\nLike, no, within a broader system bad actors can do things that deserve criticism. While unlikely, they hear this criticism and change their behavior. The criticism is not, however, meant to be descriptive of the system they are operating in.", "Closer was less offensive that his other shows.", "Idk you seem pretty butthurt about people not liking your favorite comedian? Don’t like it? MOVE ON LMAO", "Ok, what violence or actions were spawned by humor at the expense of white people? Anything from Chappelle show era until now? \n\n\nIts not nice to mock or make fun of anybody, but pretending like its equivalently detrimental in the real world is prepostorous.", "Yeah that’s bs.\n\nDo those people get play time on major intellectual debates?\n\nhttps://youtu.be/wpGd5DZ_K5w\n\nAnd who is getting their way?\n\nRecently Harvard’s student government voted to review their free speech rules to allow students to block people speaking on campus. They got 100% of the vote.\n\nStop hand waving and telling people they are crazy for a trend that is obviously happening.", "I've seen it on the news twice. Once someone on NBC talking to a trans gender comedian Flame something. The comedian was defending Dave and the interviewer was trying her best to make Dave seem irreprehensible.\n\nThe other was the Netflix walk out", "> He has zero empathy for any other type of marginalized person.\n\nto be fair, neither does the trans community. \n\nif you want equality, stop acting special.", "These distinctions aren't made to be inclusive or because of backlash, it's because it's more medically accurate. Scientifically, sex is a spectrum that alludes to things including but not limited to chromosomes, anatomy, and horomones, so if you are specifically referencing something that only requires one of these categories, you really should specify, else you are being inaccurate to satisfy the general public who seem to be made unsettled by the use of this specific terminology. Sometimes \"female bodies\" isn't entirely correct and you need to use more specific language. \"Bodies with vaginas\" specifies cis women, types of intersex people, pre-op trans men, and post-op trans women. It doesn't describe female sexed individuals\n\nEDIT: Because I don't feel like replying to myself. You've probably heard terms like \"People with high/low estrogen/testosterone\" or \"People with XX/XY chromosomes\" in the past as distinctions that are made for medical purposes. It's basically that, but \"bodies with vaginas\" just sounds less scientific than those other distinctions. It's just being specific about what technically matters to the discussion.", ">Like when he brags about having a comedy show outside during Covid. \n> \n>uhhh, alright. good job?", ">\tbut because the entire point of it was that black people are bigger victims than LGBTQ+ people. The entire thing was him saying \"my race has had it worse than your gender/sexuality\".\n\nThat is the entire point of the intersectional oppression matrix. To determine who is more oppressed than who. And if you can use it against the people who made it, why not?", "I guess the Netflix trans community is on in it too?", "Yeah I remember he said that in the special, team TERF. I remember nothing about him saying that he believe that trans women are imposters, misogynists, etc. Now who's putting a bunch of words on someone's mouth?", "This routine isn't harmless fun.", "This is what left a bad taste in my mouth. As a gay man I'm not stoked on some of his jokes at my expense, that being said I have laughed at him hate on white people, woman, drug users, etc. If they can be the punchline I can take my turn. It's only comedy. \n\n\nWhat irritates me is the comparison. As if gay people are the ones perpetuating racism toward black people, or as if our struggles make yours less meaningful.\n\n\n\nMake gay jokes to make people laugh. Other struggling people aren't your problem though.", "Watch the way the news talks about it", "> In the closer he literally says it was the last time he's going to talk about it, and now here he is talking about it again. \n\nTo be fair he wasn't really talking about what he said he wouldn't talk about. He was talking about how he can't even get a meeting about his documentary.", "So you agree that it doesn’t matter what his position is on issues facing real people rather you want him to be vapid and approach the trans community as a monolith. \n\nI think giving the community the respect they deserve would be putting your cards on the table and attempting to have an honest conversation, which is what it seems like he is trying to do.", "Yea, he's not wrong honestly, but it's the one-upping that leaves a bad taste.", "The Closer was alright. Definitely was his worst show, but it's just \"okay\".\n\nThe trans joke isn't what I cared about. It's about how he somehow managed to slither his argument into blaming white people.\n\nYou ain't that oppressed bitch 🤣 Stop complaining and start doing like the Asians did", "> Kylie Jenner\n\nSmall correction, Caitlyn Jenner", "> Doesn’t this tell you something about the movement in the current state?\n\nno", "If you listen to what Chapelle says in this video he's not concerned with tweets, he's concerned that his film will not be screened by major studios or festivals.", "None.", "Well then I guess we should just go ahead and open up child slavery factories in the US and do something useful with the kids who fail in school, since it would be easier to ignore it and just keep getting mad at words people say. \n\nHonestly though, I get that there are serious downsides to any discrimination and that transgender and other non-cis people go through a lot for their lifestyle. Even to the point of people being violent to them just because of who they are, and that's awful. That being said, I have a hard time feeling sympathy for individuals who storm into a high level corporate meeting they weren't invited to, then getting put up on a pedestal for being oppressed when they get punished for it. \n\nIt's also not easy to say that all of the people involved are fighting for equality considering the number of people who are spending time digging up mistakes from people's email and social media over a decade ago and using it to blacklist them out of their jobs, or trying to get media removed from streaming services and storres because it upsets them. That's not fighting for equal treatment, that's just ruining someone's career for some sense of vindication and trying to force your views on people instead of come to an understanding. I'm 33 years old and if you dug out some things from when I was in my early 20's I'd roll my eyes and wonder how I was ever that stupid. In ten years, I may think the same about this post. People do change, and rather than nuke their life for things they did in the past, why not try to change who they are by discussion?", "One is a human death, another other is some mean words. Which one are you really gonna side with here? It says a lot about you… that was the entire point of even mentioning someone as stupid Dababy. Do you care more about the death, or the words?", "He damn near called himself \"the GOAT.\"\n\nSupreme arrogance.", "I did it!! YAY!", "Big difference in having hurt feelings and someone being a bigot. \n\nFor instance: I had my feelings hurt the other day but not because someone was spouting hate or bigotry. \n\nAlso, that whole first paragraph you wrote is stupid and wrong.", "According to people that knew Norm and based on some talk radio stuff I've seen, I think Norm was old fashioned in some ways but he also stayed up to date on social issues and genuinely wanted to be inclusive and compassionate when he wasn't doing a bit. It can be hard to tell from his jokes where he would intentionally say the most offensive version of a thing. I believe this was often to show people where a point of view is heading. Show them the logical extreme in a naked form so you can be appalled by it while also making it the butt of a joke.", "Just to be clear, I'm talking about a white person transitioning to being black, not a black person that looks white.", "\"Where are the jokes???\"", "I suspect You haven't read all of my comments in this chain and are assuming my position based on this portion. Not having any animosity =/= not transphobic.", "This hits close to home. Mainly because I live here, and have lived here long enough 😔", "Where did I say they can’t do what they are doing? Point it out to me...\n\nWhy are you so sensitive you’re afraid of me just describing what they are doing? It’s almost like you’re afraid of being critiqued... why do you think my critique is silencing anyone?", "Within the context of the special, his 10 minute story about her may as well be the same as a racist trying to get rid of any controversy by pointing at one black person they may or may not get along with. This argument has never been strong and never will be. Having a single friend does not mean you don't have abhorrent views.\n\nDave's history with race makes it clear to me that he should know how stupid this tactic is, and yet here he is trying to use it himself.", "Poor philosophers, they've worked so hard to study and learn their scholorly trade, when it turns out, any artist who says something wise and thoughtful is also granted the title of philosopher. 🤔", "from those protesting him? yep.", "Not to mention that Uni's are not places of friendship and to have your feelings coddled, so if she feels transwomen are actually just men and wants to see them cancelled out of womens spaces just to make herself feel better, then that would just undermine the role of the University as a place of research and vigorous academic debate.", "Lots of trans people have written about their disappointment with him and talk specifically about what he said in the video....and yet every pro-dave poster just keeps claiming his critics haven't watched the special.", "This is famously untrue. Comics know that Eddie Izzard is just really REALLY good at making everything look improvised.\n\nI'm a comic, we all write and rehearse in some way even if it's not literally pen to paper. A lot of us write on stage via improvising and then just do that again until it's the best form. Some of us improvise more or less than others but each show turns out fundamentally the same as the one in the next city will even if it looks totally freewheeling.", "Yeah, where's the offence? They're saying they find it a bit show-off, that's not the same as taking offence.", "So called cancelled culture is how celebs ate being held accountable. It's not really CC. It's companies protecting their brand. Why would ba pro-lgbt company wanna word with Dave after this? It would hurt their business.", "I didn’t get that at all. I think there is commentary that points out the LGBTQ community’s tendency toward this behavior, in particular toward blacks, and absolutely absurd it is. That said, I can understand where you could come out with that thought given how prevalent that behavior has become. And, it is a repugnant behavior regardless of one’s opinions of any particular movement’s position.", "tell me you haven't watched a chappelle special without telling me you haven't watched a chappelle special", "You don’t remember all the conservative cancel culture surrounding pokemon? D&D? Harry Potter? That’s just the silly stuff.", "Not at all. Comedy is subjective.", "He is the goat", "Man he really went from top tier to old man yelling at clouds. \n\nYou hate to see it.", "Questioning whether placing greater emphasis on gender self-identification over biological sex may have negative consequences in women in-only spaces like prisons and changing is not being a bigot.", "“Normal humans”, lol. I’ve lived in a big city, small town, the burbs, metro sprawl and rurally. Guess what, there’s normal human everywhere. And there’s fuckwads everywhere. What separates Dave is that he’s filthy filthy filthy fucking rich, on that I agree", "Or maybe he could admit the whole thing was, ya know, a joke? You do realize that comedians get on stage to tell jokes right?", "> all he's been about\n\nHey now, let's be fair, he's also been about whining how he doesn't have enough money because someone dared cancel his contract when he fucked off to Africa.", "Sure same difference to me. If they really feel that way I'll respect their choice personally. If you feel like you couldn't really respect them, I can understand your perspective, but the fact still remains that you don't respect them.", "> All he was saying is that you can be pro-trans and also be anti-cancel culture\n\nno one was saying you couldn't lol", "It's not hard to be right. It's shockingly easy actually.", "> because they supported him.\n\nThis needs to be italicized and bolded because it's the whole point of his rant.", "Go for it then! \n\nYou got seem to be an expert here.", "> Was the bullying the reason Daphne committed suicide? Maybe not. But as people stated, it certainly didn't help.\n\nExcept she stated in her suicide letter that it wasn't a factor in her doing it. She just did it because being a trans person sucks in our society.\n\n> People bombarded her Twitter \n\nThat's funny you say that, because the tweet people point to as getting abuse actually didn't get any at all.\n\n> She received thousands of these messages every day.\n\n[citation needed]", "I guess you’ve never heard of Big Ed", "Except she's not asking for anyone to be cancelled.\n\nShe is doing that though through debate and well mannered discussion.", "this post was a giant \"yikes.\" emoji. i highly doubt you can \"be funnier for free, netflix.\"", ">\"Will your people [LGBT] stop punching down on my people [black male comedians, presumably]\" \n\nPresumably, you'd be wrong. Goes to show how much you were listening.", "Sure... next you'll tell me Richard Pryor was a hack... fuck off reddit, you dumb bitch", "If you focus on identity, you are going to increase tribalism based on identity. \n\nIronically social justice and identity politics have only increased tribalism", "Deplatform? Who deserves a platform? No one deserves a platform. And corporations that provide platforms are open to criticism too - by anyone. \n\nFree Speech is not equal to Free Platform. You’re allowed to ignore things you don’t like and you’re allowed to open your yap and complain about it. Stop playing this “holier than thou” card. Just because you don’t have a view on something doesn’t mean others can’t express theirs.", "Lol. I never said that. But this has also been a major story for months that my international friends were very much aware of. \n\nSure we’re declining and fast, but we’re still the largest military and a top economy. When America declines or has a scandal it can affect the entire world and the economy. Having a basic knowledge of a major event here isn’t “kinda funny” it’s just being basically well informed. \n\nI’m not talking about a local racist mayor. I’m talking about a member of the House accused of pedophilia and sex trafficking.", "I've had a hard time putting this into words. Killing them softly was a comedy special with some social commentary. His recent stuff is philosophical pieces about the status quo of american race politics with some commentary on transgender politics thrown in as a comparison and done in a way that really came off badly to a lot of people. I kinda know what he is trying to say and convey, but I personally have a hard time getting past him self-proclaiming as a TERF: you can say that it's bullshit that white transgender people have made greater strides in a shorter time than the black community without degrading the transgender community. It's similar to how you can say that it's bullshit that veterans are treated like shit AND that we can also help other poor people or give aid to other countries or whatever at the same time, rather than giving in to the stupid message that it's either/or.", "yeah, trying\n\nthey didn't succeed lol", "Except that all this does is promote a segregated society.\n\n\"You have to treat me differently because I am part of this tribe, and you are part of that one\" is the entire goal of identity politics. \"Acceptance but on MY terms,\" is not real acceptance, \"Tolerance but on MY terms,\" is not real tolerance, and \"Equality of outcome, regardless of my personal ability\" is not true equality.\n\nActions speak louder than words. IDGAF what people who \"support\" marginalized groups say, it is their actions that define them. Right now, they are doing everything in their power to be as overwhelmingly divisive, and marginalizing as they can possibly be, dismissing and ignoring the individual in favor of the tribe. It's absurdly regressive.", "Thank you, person who actually listened to Dave's special.", "No they lock everyone’s phones up. It’ll be hard to find.", "\"Yes she was bullied by trans activists. But there is no evidence that it resulted in her suicide \"\n\n\nAre you condoning social bullying on Tran people if they don't have woke views?\n\nWhat are you trying to say here?\n\nIf you had any humanity you wouldn't make such a wretched paragraph", "The \"point\" of identity politics is to collectively advocate for a large amount of people based on a common historical through-line all those people share. \n\nYes, some people are craven cynical assholes who exploit this for some sort of gain, but that's unusual IMO (it just seems common because its politically advantageous for interlocutors to point out bad-faith id pol, so we see it all the damn time)", "\"Now that the left has divided itself because of identity politics, let's blame the right for taking advantage of that.\"\n\nProductive logic.", "Because he is a rapist? There is a big difference between committing a violent felony and being a dickhead lmao. Additionally, news about Hitchcock’s behavior didn’t come out until he was already dead and gone", "Crazy bigoted old rich man yells at the cloud.", "This is why Dave is the GOAT.", "\"talk\\[ing\\] and hop\\[ing\\] people laugh\". Isn't that what ALL comedians do, Einstein?\n\nNetflix has certainly offered you and your highly successful, highly paid comedic genius 60 mil to do three specials, right?\n\nRIGHT?", "How are they actually marginalized? Are gay people killed by cops?\n\nAren't gay people some of the most celebrated people in the western world?\n\nWhat the duck are you even saying?", "I commented elsewhere that the \"sympathy is limited\" is the false narrative that makes people fall into the \"We can't help refugees, we have to help veterans first!\" trap. We CAN do both, but frankly we end up doing neither.", "Like I said, I have no problem respecting them. But deep down, I don't believe they are black, because scientifically I know it doesn't work that way. If that's the low bar held to make someone a transphobe then I'm fine with that.", "When talking about America, every molehill is basically a mountain that shoots into space", "What do you think a boycott is?", "\n>Literally the worst take. There is NO debate about gender identity in the scientific community - go to the wiki article, it has tons of sources on research about what science has been developing theories on. Psychologists aren’t testing theories like “maybe trans women are men” and haven’t been for a looooong time. \n\n\nPhilosophy of Science analyses the effects of scientific beliefs.\n\nThe UK Sports Councils' Equality Group transgender inclusion guidance report suggests\n that transgender people should compete in their own categories.\n\nhttps://www.bbc.com/sport/58732146\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/sep/29/what-does-the-new-transgender-guidance-mean-for-sports-in-uk\n\nhttps://www.skysports.com/more-sports/other-sports/news/29877/12422136/transgender-inclusion-guidance-suggests-some-uk-sports-should-consider-creating-different-categories-of-competition\n\n\n\n>If you’re an absolute nut job putting forth that kind of argument at a University you’re just incompetent to hold your position at all. Imagine a Professor of Law stating that head shapes determined intelligence because he’s seen some different head shapes and thought some people were stupid. If I were part of the faculty, I’d be calling that shit out too.\n\nKathleen Stock said nothing of that sort. She said that biological sex should hold greater importance than gender self-identification at some times like women's prisons, changing rooms and sports, a position that is supported by the UK Sports Councils Equality Group (SCEG).\n\nThe Sports Councils Equality Group (SCEG) are a bunch of nut jobs, right?", "Show me who is saying you're not allowed to. Or are you conflating people defending criticism as that?", "Every community has a toxic percentage online...", "No, you’re describing a critique. People are saying his lack of respect towards marginalized communities are turning them off to his art. If he didn’t do that, they would enjoy him more. Please, no more pretending to be victimized. You’re doing exactly what Chappell is doing, complaining about the court of public opinion.", "Transphobia does not kill. \n\nHowever large number of trans peoples kill themselves.", "So we are just going to completely ignore the other thousands of people that didn't have a cult following and couldn't win out?", "The issue I took most from this little Martyr display was \"bend the knee\" bullshit. Saying you're sorry or admitting you're wrong or, fuck, just hearing a group out isn't some abject humiliation, it's common goddamn courtesy.\n\nAnd is there a Trans cabal court he has to \"go to?\" Fuck off.", "rekt", "Responding directly to entertainment critics is fucking cringe to the max.", "I’m not sure what that refutes in my comment. You seem to fully agree with it but have some desire to minimize it...", "I would wish that the punchline is that he can do an unoriginal, unfunny, and offensive routine and still make bank. Then he gets more attention because more people watch it to see what the controversy is about, and then he gets even more attention when he doubles down amidst the controversy. \n\nThat would be calling out a broken system and would be a very Chappelle thing to do.\n\nHowever, I’m not entirely convinced.", "John Gruden is the most recent.", "Ironically Dave himself, and even his response here, demonstrates how equally toxic the black community can be. It's a universal flaw of any historically oppressed group of people, and it's absolutely understandable. Of course they prioritize their own justice, their own interest, their own respect after centuries of having absolutely none. \n\nI don't think any such community will ever admit that it has a problem until long after it has been elevated, but I also don't think that is the responsibility of the community. Nobody blames the beaten dog backed into a corner for biting, it's just surviving based on the history it knows. \n\nIt falls on those of us with no personal mission for justice to look at those who do, grant them the respect they deserve, but also point out when they take a wrong step. The first half of that is impossible for bigots, and that second half is impossible for clout chasers. It's extremely difficult to be equally supportive of everyone, but it's within the grasp of those of us who aren't fighting every day for our own justice. \n\nI don't like this response from Dave, it's evasive and places the focus on his own fight for respect and justice at the expense of someone else's. I also didn't like the response from the LGBTQ+ community over The Closer, as it did pretty much the same thing. But I don't blame either of them, these people are in fight mode 24/7 through no fault of their own. I want to keep listening to both of them and make sure they have a voice.", "I didn’t listen too hard because someone else pointed out he said tribe, not people, but yeah, it’s pretty clear there. Comedians often talk about how obnoxious cancel culture is.", "You're essentially wishing for the death of people. If you take away someone's livelihood, how the fuck do you expect them to survive?\n\nIt's mob injustice", "yet another wall of nonsense opinion from someone who didn't watch the whole thing.", ">\"You have to treat me differently because I am part of this tribe\"\n\nMore like, \"I am already treated differently because I am part of this tribe, so please consider that when interacting with me\"\n\nAre you seriously suggesting that people from minority racial or lgbt groups aren't marginalized for their differences?\n\n>they are doing everything in their power\n\nwho is \"they\"", "I think it's absolutely wild that after the BLM protests, after the 6th where literal white nationalists stormed out Capital, he's bitching about trans people stealing the spotlight from black people. \n\nAlso, unless I missed it, he didn't say a thing about how black trans people are almost never featured in the news or w/e. Shit, it's like a perfect example of how even among the oppressed white people will still get the spotlight, and it doesn't involve saying trans people aren't real. \n\nThe dude put out absolute bangers over the last few years, they caused me to really reexamine my thoughts and feelings, my place in society as a straight white male. But this just felt like he's doing the thing a lot of comics are doing (hey Bro Rogan), which is courting a reactionary audience.", "Lol people are \"Old man yelled at cloud\"ing Dave on this one. \n\nWhich is hilarious as they are \"Young person triggered by old person yelling at cloud\"", "God, I love the comments. Much confusion, such arguments", "He has literally done interviews and panels where he's said he just has ideas and the bits come to him on stage. Look for when he was on The Green Room with Paul Prozena at Just for Laughs, he talks about it.", "You may have missed the entirety of history.", "You’re right that there’s a shift in vocabulary happening, but it’s incorrect that this means people belonging to disenfranchised groups can’t be bigoted. The statement would be “people belonging to any group can be bigots/prejudiced. Only people with systemic power can be _____-ist.” It makes a distinction between people with the power to influence others’ opportunities and benefit from others’ oppression (regardless of level of personal prejudice), and people who hold ugly opinions but can’t do much about it.\n\nIt’s a shift from the common understanding of _____-isms meaning “one category of prejudice” to “the systemic impact of prejudice.” As someone with the cultural power to influence opinion and maybe even policy, Chappelle could be a ____-ist after all.\n\nNot here to argue about whether it’s worthwhile to fight against the common understanding of a word. I just think we miss out on deeper conversations because of confusion over this subject.", "\"I can't be a transphobe...I have trans friends!\"", "> proportional to the amount of people fighting to have him canceled\n\nLiterally who? Who is proposing this?\n\n>Seems a bit unfair to reject his counter-arguments on the premise that he's acknowledging the social effort geared against him.\n\nI don't see how it's unfair to recognise that a world famous comedian who has a platform on the largest TV streaming service has not been cancelled. Has nothing to do with his acknowledgement of it.\n\nThe only person who has been \"cancelled\" is the person who was fired, which was not Dave Chapelle.", "> TERFs that the identities of trans women aren't valid insofar as they can't rightly be called \"women\".\n\nTERFs also believe that trans men are lesbians who have been brainwashed by the patriarchy.", "So obviously it's a broad term. Grandma buying fried chicken and watermelons for the sweet black boys who play in the park is racist. Clansmen lynching black people are racist. Obviously we have to live with ourselves and our prejudices. Some people may hate you for any amount of prejudice you may hold. I think that's silly in and of itself especially since most everyone has their prejudices. I think it's better to try and recognize and work against our prejudices. If nothing else outwardly accepting others decisions even if you can't truly come to terms with it is at the very least a step in the right direction. I think it's rather admirable.", "means that it didn't work \n\npretty weak \"movement\"", "I just want to point out that you seem to be living in a fantasy world where every single marriage is one of complete mutual love, trust and respect. It must be nice living in that hypothetical dream world and I wish you and your delusions well.", "This was the damning piece of the whole special. \n\nThe lgbtq community can be horrid, and I'm sure that it has resulted in many deaths and suicides. But we all like to pretend that that community can do no wrong, that they are special above all others because it has imaginary oppression status", ">If you focus on identity, you are going to increase tribalism based on identity.\n\nYeah, the civil rights movement should have just left things as they are...\n\nYikes", "I went and saw Jerry a couple years ago and he was doing standard Jerry material. A lot of family stuff but also just the standard \"what's the deal with\" stuff. Don't remember much if any \"I'm a superstar\" stuff.", "this. full of insecure neck beards and social rejects that are scared of straying from the herd mentality for fear of losing internet points. it's pretty pathetic to be honest.", "The killing was self defense so no I don’t give a fuck. People die everyday. Your comparison makes no sense , his words were harmful and alienating. How am I gonna condemn Dababys murder when it was self defense? His words however are free game, if he wants to publicize his bigotry then I’m free to criticize him accordingly. I love how you try to reverse uno card this with “wow can’t believe you’d be more upset over words than human life” completely ripping the context of what I had just said. Great work, my friend.", "I had to look up \"three sheets to the wind\" because I wasn't sure if my assumption was correct or not. It was. \n \nIt means \"drunk\" \nToday I learned.", "He could have been had he gone for laughs, not claps", "Because he's surrounded by people who pander to him. The same kind of people who let him smoke where ever he goes because he's Dave Chapelle biiiiitch", "I'm curious how he has anything to say about the myth of \"cancel culture\"? Guy has more money than you can even dream about, and spent 3 hours punching down for 25 million dollars on the largest streaming service.", "Eh. I think it's worth talking to some black people about the special. Black rights is pretty clearly the focus of the special. He's addressing the trans community specifically because it highlights how low on the totem pole black people still are.", "I love Dave, but I'm not sure I laughed once at the Closer. I got it, and it didn't offend me, but it wasn't that funny. It was more a lecture than a comedy show.\n\nMan what I'd give for another Killin Em Softly or For What It's Worth.", "LEGENDARY", "Cancel culture isn't really a thing though. Chapelle is still widely lauded by an enormous audience and is incredibly wealthy. He is seeing a backlash from people over his stunted views and is mad it has had a negative effect on his popularity. That's it. Going on a tour with Joe fucking Rogan has made it abundantly clear how out of touch and bitter he has become. It is sad.", "Republicans from 40 years ago are about as left as Democrats today. Obama is a Reaganite. This talking point is absurd—the liberal left is moving rightwards, not leftwards.", "> You're arguing from an emotional place against someone who has no emotional feelings whatsoever towards this\n\nThis is such horseshit. You're clearly just as emotionally invested in this argument as the person you're discussing this with.", "> The \"point\" of identity politics is to collectively advocate for a large amount of people based on a common historical through-line all those people share.\n\nThe point of identity politics is specifically to get people to stop identifying with policies and start identifying with characteristics so you can manipulate them more easily.", "He very clearly called himself a transpobe as a joke. Do you think Swift really advocated for eating babies?", "That’s such a dumb take. Just because you care about upvotes doesn’t mean everyone else does. And just because I found a comparison ridiculous I’m a bad faith actor? They’re comparing a crime to people thinking what he said was ignorant and asinine.", "Meanwhile, actual victims, like transgender people are silenced by being murdered at a higher rate and cancelled by being expelled from sporting events and public bathrooms. Stop being such a drama queen.", "You are so full of shit. I grew up in the South, kids loved Harry Potter, Magic the Gathering, and Yu-Gi-Oh just as much as everywhere else.", "Don't you know you should be required to do business with offensive and bigoted people because old rich fuck Dave Chappelle might get offended If you don't?", "No criticism for the people who bullied a trans woman into suicide?", "What? One of the demands was literally to remove The Closer from Netflix.", "Watch the special. It's not about taking anybody down a peg.", ">I think when the majority of a community is in agreement on something, that accurate represents the views of most people in that community.\n\nHow do you know where that consensus is? I sure hope we aren't using Twitter as a reference. Twitter isn't real life.", "How would you feel if a Netflix show had a whole section commenting on your genitals?", "Again with the refusal to look in the mirror.\n\nI personally love the local lgbt+ community and I loathe their presence online.", "There was never any conservative cancel culture around any of those. There was, at most, a tiny minority of a tiny minority of religious fundamentalists who are themselves a minority of conservatives who were in any way offended by those. I grew up in a conservative area in the South and all the kids loved that stuff and none of the parents were offended.", "It's telling though that Chapelle views equity and inclusion in those terms. I appreciate that he's voicing this, because it's a latent feeling in some communities and he's surfacing it. \n\nHe clearly views the world in terms of straight whites as \"normal\", with various tribes of minority groups grasping for power to overcome whatever their unique version of marginalization looks like. \n\nIt's really interesting to me that he clearly, in his own way, empathizes with people that feel marginalized without caring much about the roots of their marginalization.", "Studies have pretty consistently shown that the extremes are moving more extreme on both sides and the moderates are being pushed away from the center.", "The problem is that you’re still comparing a crime to a boycott. It doesn’t matter if you claim it’s hyperbole. It’s more like telling a racist joke in your workplace, and having coworkers ask for you to be fired while your boss defends your actions because you’re a good earner. \n\nUsing your right to free speech to boycott a famous person who made ignorant comments and told lies to fuel transphobia isn’t a crime.", "Yes but everyone has to admit to it.\n\nThe trans community drove one of their own to jump off a building and the majority of them can't even say her name.\n\nThe whole point of the special was the trans community exists only to judge and refuse any form of self reflection on their own actions.\n\nCase in point: Daphne", "> Dave did nothing wrong. \n\nYou realize this is merely your opinion, right?", ">And honestly, I find ANY oppression olympics content to be distasteful\n\nIt's still a valid question he asks. Why is America so quick to embrace the LGBTQ community but still treats black people as 2nd class citizens? I think that does tell us something about racism in the US.", "I love the \n\n\"Did you even watch the special?\"\n\n\"Yes\"\n\n\"Well hurr durr you didn't understand it then\"\n\n\"I understood it fine, I just didn't like it\"\n\n\"Go fuckin rage, if you didn't like it, don't say anything and move on!\"\n\n\"I'm not mad, just sharing my opinion like you.\"\n\n\"Fuckers like you just keep trying to fucking cancel people cause they made one joke the alphabet people don't like.\"\n\n\"I'm just not gonna watch or recommend his stuff to anyone, if that's cancelling then ok.\"\n\n\"If you think he's not funny then you do better! All of you are so fucking offended and seething.\"", "That's cool, I've not only read and seen interviews where Eddie talks about making notes and working through idea on stage off the back of those until it becomes the routine but also I'm in the business and know some big name comics who know Eddie personally and have spoken about it with them when asking them for writing advice earlier on.\n\nThe Izzard brand is pure improvisation which is why they cultivate the myth to make it a bit larger than the truth. But it is ultimately, compared to just having an idea the first time for every show on a tour, written.", "It has no means of quantification, so far as I'm aware. If you are determined to avoid it at all costs, you simply have to use your best judgment, and be willing to accept that people will disagree with your judgment from time to time.\n\nI mean, it's not like you're tuning a piano to find higher and lower notes, you're just living your life. If you're not sure if you're the asshole, take more care to ensure that you're not.", "[Linkipoo](https://twitter.com/lalalogay/status/1346052245180309504?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1346052245180309504%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.vulture.com%2F2021%2F03%2Fjames-acaster-cold-lasagne-hate-myself-1999-comedy-special.html)", "is this the lgbt version of the navy seals pasta?", "Cancel culture isn’t a thing? I mean, I am fairly liberal but you gotta be blind to not see that it happens, a lot.\n\nAlso if anything this has caused more people to see it because of the controversy… but comedians that don’t have the clout he has they would just remove it. Chappell is of great value to Netflix. They even took off the Chappell show even though they JUST paid for it because Viacom wasn’t paying him royalties.\n\nGood on Chappell, the hero we need but not the hero we deserve.", "That's just reddit, dude. Certain communities tolerate different things.\n\nr/the_donald was known for banning any and all dissenting opinions so don't act like \"difference of opinion is forbidden\" is anything new.", "How exactly did their whiteness help them when the Government turned a cold shoulder to them in the 80s when AIDS was tearing through them like a hot knife through butter again?\n\n> If you had to name the person most influential in terms of the social normalization of homosexuality who would it be? Ellen Degeneres, that's who.\n\nSure, but that was after generations of multiracial queers pushing for acceptance in american society. After all, Stonewall was sparked by a biracial lesbian, and one of the most prominent members of the Gay Liberation movement was a black trans woman.\n\n> Dave is making valid criticisms and the criticism of Dave is also valid.\n\nIf his criticism is predicated on removing vast swaths of a community, is it really valid? Isn't it just doing the very thing he's condemning them for?", "He said he got kicked out of film festivals so it worked to some degree just not at Netflix.\n\nAre you boycotting his special and him? Do you support their efforts to get him removed from Netflix for what he said?", "I think the point he was making is that the marginalized group has become an oppressor because they have a stance that they are protected from being made fun of putting them above others (in a position to punch down). If you do make fun of them you are going to be socially attacked with ruthlessness. The story about his trans comedian friend was an example of that to the point where she was exiled from her own group and harassed by her own kind to the point of suicide for defending someone who made fun of them.", "I don’t understand this either. Like this one top comment is massively guilded saying they don’t like this “dave”. I imagine it’s some young person that hasn’t followed his career. I saw Chappelle in spring in vegas and it was amazing. There was plenty of comedy but also a lot of speaking truthfully on society. He may have done pure comedy specials back in the day but now it’s more of a one man show. That’s what your paying for. Dave Chappelle isn’t anyone’s puppet, if you don’t like it you don’t have to watch it or buy a ticket. He will still have millions of people watch and sell out everywhere he goes. It’s not like this new “version” of him as they say is having any difficulty in his career.", "Yes... it was cancel culture then and it was bad then too. I wish people would stop acting like cancel culture is new. It’s not. The only thing different with it today is that social media has made it more powerful since more people can get behind it at one time.", "He's not speaking on it? He's just deflecting the issue to \"corporate censorship.\" He's not even acknowledging what pissed people off in the first place.", "That is the idea. Without an audience you cannot spread hatred and stuff.", "I mean, if you enjoy and support transphobic content, that's something that you have to work on.", "As he gets paid 25 million to talk for an hour. \n\nDude is so ignorant he can't even see he is part of the problem. He is the Uber rich he's complaining about.", "If he wasn't off his game so bad he could really easily have segued into shitting on terfs for a minute.\n\n\"These dumb bitches want macho man pissing next to them just cause he's got a pussy.\" \n\nYou can be crass and make trans jokes and be funny.", "And some cultural context, Chapelle has been pushing boundaries his entire career. His TV show in the 00's featured him as a black member of the KKK for fuck's sake. \n\nAnyone clutching their pearls over his shtick in 2021 is overreacting. Or is genuinely ignorant to his body of work.", "And they have it super rough, since the African-American community is notoriously homophobic.", "Mob justice is a subset of free speech and free association, this doesn't contradict what I said. The point is that mob justice is often unjust and wrong.\n\nIf the religious-right were condemning him, nobody would be giving a fuck. We can see rightoid or religious cancel culture a mile away, but when the left starts mobbing people for heresy - suddenly, \"it's not a big deal, it's just free association\". No, it's always censorious ideologically-driven punishment for heresy - left or right.\n\nIt's one thing for an individual to stop consuming Dave's media on some principle. It's another to try your hardest to prevent anyone else from consuming Dave's media. The first is free association, the second is very much anti-free speech (an illiberal position often found on the left these days).\n\nI want to hear what Dave has to say, you don't get to stop him from saying it or from me hearing it.", "Did she leave a suicide note saying that it was twitter bullying that drove her to kill herself? I'm transgender myself and life is fucking brutal. By being your true self you can lose family, friends, jobs, relationships. And you also open yourself up to being bullied by random members of the public. \n\nDaphne lost her Job and lost custody of her kids. You don't think that caused more distress to her than mean words on twitter??", "I'm not racist but...\n\nAnd then he ends it with, I'm not racist, see I have a ~~black~~ trans freind.", "It's not sympathy, it's empathy...and unfortunately it kind of is a limited resource. \n\nI mean not to the most activist among us, but to your average person who 100% must be on board with the societal changes needed for true equity? Yeah they can't really focus on more than one issue at a time because they aren't activist. \n\nThis is where, like it or not and as dirty as it feels, Chappelle does have a point. \n\nTake the Floyd protests last year that quickly devolved from being African Americans and allies marching to not be killed by police to dumb shit like the \"autonomous zone\" or suddenly having to inject feminism or violence toward other groups. I distinctly remember seeing news coverage with many signs about the boarder wall....at George Floyd protests....\n\nI get that intersectionality is a thing, and that many progressive minded people think we should tackle it all at once, but the basic concept of intersectionality is foreign to a LOT of Americans.", "Yes im running in fear from a raging keyboard warrior online lol. Not the first thing on this thread that you’d be desperately trying to convince yourself of.\n\nIm really not insecure enough to care about what you think, especially when all you’ve done is prove my point while throwing a tantrum. If you had a shred of confidence in what you’re telling yourself, you wouldn’t exactly act this way.", "who took away who's livelihood?", "what does \"boycotting\" his special mean? not watching it =/= boycott lmao\n\ni don't care either way what they or netflix does", "The ethics of killing someone in self defense to most is not morally questionable, while getting on stage and saying hateful shit is. Dave's argument here was actual trash...\n\nI would much rather people not die, but I also recognize that it happens and that it can be justified.", "I don’t think it is motivated by cynicism. It is motivated by tribalism. \n\nIncreasingly identity politics is not about fairness or social justice but about your team “winning” or “advancing”. \n\nTo use a tennis metaphor: It begins with motivation to fight unfair calls from the umpire, or dissimilar outlining of the playing court, and ends up with tribalism: wherever the ball falls on your own (or your team’s) side of the net, it is out, and wherever the ball falls on the opponent’s side, it is in.\nAnd the tribalism arising from identity politics is only becoming more and more apparent. \n\nYou are supposed to be an ally of the tribe. Your allegiance is not to social justice irrespective of the tribe. It’s allegiance to the tribe.\n\nChapelle is a good example of it.", "Identity politics came from the left…. Its pushed by leftist activists. It’s deeply rooted in conflict theory and Marxian oppressor-oppressed dynamics.", "You think the bullying was a helpful aspect to the whole situation?", "Help, straight male comedians are being oppressed by... The free market and audiences not enjoying their performance?", "It's not up to others to decide what I can and can't listen to.", "I posted the video for conversation purposes. \n\nChapelle has the two gender myth wrong completely, not just the gender dysphoria community at large but also human biology in general.", "Yes but the donald was a conservative subreddit explicitly about conservative politics. On reddit any subreddit about politics that isn't explicitly billed as having a specific political persuasion is automatically a progressive subreddit.", "Stephen Fry.", "Most likely it wasn't, but Dave is making it seem like it was only the bullying that caused it. Life isn't rosy for trans people.", "I will stand with dave", "> I think he made the absolutely calculated move about opening with a joke about Jews and it’s the trans stuff people are mad about. I loved the special.\n\nMy take was that his whole special was pretty much hopping back and forth between, \"Oh you don't care about that one, but you care about this one?\" He had comedic and dramatic takes in both directions and was hopping around them all the time.", "This assumes that no identity-based position is legitimate. Do you feel this way?", "Sure, but it's not a good look for you to support that stuff.", "Absolutely, when that happens. It did not happen in the particular case that Dave is talking about.", "The number of times people mention, \"punching down,\" in here makes it really obvious that they didn't watch, because they'd probably at least use a different phrase if they'd watched it.", "You think that because you agree with his transphobic remarks.", "Ok so online bullying is bad. No community should have a right of passing to bully people online without penalty.\n\nYet here we sit with absolutely fuck all for a negative kick back on the trans community for their bullying.\n\nIf anything they double down and become ever more aggressive online.\n\nDave is pointing all of this out, egging them on, and they are providing all the evidence he needs to support his case.\n\nQuestion is why can't you see the trans community for Dave? (you seem so hyper focused on Dave you are completely oblivious to the toxicity. If you see it, then it appears to condone it, which is even more fucked up.)", "A thought? He also makes a comment in the special that he views the trans community as \"minorities, until they need to be white again\". \n\nHis words. Not mine. Easy with the downvotes. \n\nSo he was telling a story that most well intentioned people would relate to. He had a friend that he bonded with over a mutual experience. That friend happened to be trans. And it didn't matter to him that she was trans until other people decided to draw lines. \n\nI read his message as home telling people \"look, I'm trying\". And to point out that underlying racial power issues are still there. That we haven't beaten racism. We haven't figured out trans inclusion. And for everybody to get off his ass for it. \n\nWhere he failed, IMO, is that the joke he intended to make by calling himself a TERF fell flat. He's made a career out of recognizing race issues from the perspective of a proud black man seeking equality for that identity. He missed the idea that the trans community aren't looking for that same experience.", "No\n\nIts saying just because someone tried to get him \"fired\" and failed doesn't mean he doesn't get to be angry about the attempt.\n\nYour comment has to be in bad faith (I refuse to believe you are this dense). \n\n\nEdit to add: Actions have consequences in life. If you do something and fail it doesn't mean you didn't attempt it.", "No, the problem is that you still aren't getting the point.\n\nPlease, read the context of comments you started replying to:\n\n\\>Now did netflix remove the special or even toy with the idea? \nWhats that? They didnt? So what are you mad about\n\nThis claims that unless someone is successful in what they are doing, you shouldn't worry about it. And that is what lead to all the hypoerbole example to explain the concept of \"i am still mad at you for trying, even if you weren't succesfull\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nNoone said it was a crime or that people should suffer consequences. They simply said: \"yes chapelle can be upset about people trying to get him fired, even though he didn't get fired. Here's an exxaggerated example to explain the concept that everyone should be able to understand\"", "Anti-trans rhetoric emboldens the people that actually mean it. Same goes for racism: If we're okay with the N word and black face then that pushes the line of what's \"okay\" closer to physical harm.", "Erm, no shit. this is a completely uncontroversial statement.", "Didn't know Hitchcock was a rapist. Same with James Franco, which I found out the other day. Michael Jackson is another one whose legacy still seems to hold strong.", ">He's experiencing a gut reaction and refusing to check his ego about it\n\nI'm not sure I agree. His bit about being \"invested in the construct\" seemed self aware. To me he seemed to recognize and acknowledge that his worldview was outdated and hypocritical.", "Your right, they aren't really jokes, just old rich man yelling at a cloud.", "Sure, but nobody's speech is being silenced. Having a platform is not the same as speech. Nobody is owed a platform.", "Ohhh so it was cancel culture but not according to you because it was only “some” and you didn’t see it in your area, I see I see. \n\nHmmm", "What penalty do you propose for this monolithic \"transgender community\" which may or may not have contributed to the suicide of this woman? You act like there is some organised collective bullying people rather than individuals acting alone. \n\nIf you see bullying, report it. I'm not even on twitter, it's a shit place full of toxic people.", "That's up for me to decide, not some mob on Twitter.", "I would like them to get the same treatment as any of person on the planet when they bully someone so much they commit suicide.\n\nAt least some fucking guilt and recognition in what harm they did/may have caused.\n\nI don't think that is asking for much.", "I'm pretty sure things are transphobic regardless of what you think of them.", "Age of consent in 18 in many states in the US... Did he take her to these states? IDK... Regardless, it is creepy AF. He is definitely a sexual predator. If you think it is OK, then I can make some assumptions about you.", "1. What anti-trans rhetoric?\n2. What proof is there that comedians embolden violence?", "He never complains about the rich.", "Notice how I never argued trans women in sport, and only said how there is no debate on the topic of gender identity anymore, as per the wiki article? Did you read the wiki article? Did you instead make this about transgender athletes? Wtf is your problem?\n\nOh Kathleen Stock:\n\n1) She has opposed transgender self-identification \n\n2) She describes the law that gives trans people the right to change gender as a legal fiction, a kind of \"useful untruth\".\n\n… which are actually uncontested facts in psychology that she’s arguing with. Supports LGB Alliance, specifically to denounce LGBT:\n\n- The LGB Alliance describes their objective as \"asserting the right of lesbians, bisexuals and gay men to define themselves as same-sex attracted\", and states that such a right is threatened by \"attempts to introduce confusion between biological sex and the notion of gender\".[1]\n\nAgain, gender and sex are two different things, and this fuckwit isn’t just waxing philosophically, she’s actually allied against the actual science. Yeah, like I said: incompetent.\n\nHer response to the criticism? \n\n \"Universities aren't places where students should just expect to hear their own thoughts reflected back at them. Arguments should be met by arguments and evidence by evidence, not intimidation or aggression\".\n\nYeah, gender identity has a fuck ton of evidence that she’s just flat out ignoring. That’s not cancel culture - that’s called losing the debate and being sore about it.\n\nEdit: even better quotes from Kathleen…\n\n“Plus it’s personal for me: I’ve struggled with my body in terms of femininity. I could easily aged 15 have decided I was non-binary or even a boy. And I feel very worried for teenagers who are now foreclosing reproductive possibilities and their future, or damaging their bodily tissues in irreversible ways, based on an idea that they may come to relinquish at a later date.”\n\nWtf kind of take is this? Is she worried that the suicide rate of trans people is really high? Nope - What if they can’t reproduce! It’s like she’s never actually considered the psychological ramifications of trans issues and really just wants to insert herself as a martyr. Is she aware of the various ways and psychological processes people go through just to get puberty blockers? How big suicidality drops after transition?", "A black man making more money than any other comedian. He is so blinded by his own wealth he can't even see he's the person he's ranting about.", "So.. canceling.", "No idea who this is, but sure go on.", "His newest special actually deconstructs this punching down claim. Through comedy he does make a point that race is more ingrained into systemic injustice and that it is independent of sexuality and often wielded by mentioned groups.\n\nIt was funny but it did make a point.", "If they're an American comedian sat on a stool, I generally don't watch. I've tried watching Dave Chappelle's Netflix specials because he didn't have much of a profile in the UK and seems highly regarded in the states. Maybe he used to be funnier, but for now he reminds me of late era Lenny Bruce (although he actually was being cancelled/arrested) in that he doesn't seem to be that interested in being funny any more. But thanks for the feedback fuckface.", "\"truths\". You need the scare quotes because he's a rich old fuck who's become so demented by his own wealth, his \"truth\" is not the truth.", "I don't agree that it assumes that. There need to be valid identity based positions to establish the identity before you can start getting that identity to associate with support for other policies that have nothing to do with it.\n\nAs an example, is there a strong reason that gay people largely associate with positive attitudes on climate change? What does climate change have to do with being gay? If identity politics were only about identity based positions, wouldn't you expect to see a split similar to the rest of society?", "Wow, it's almost like people can have entirely different experiences. Your experience doesn't disprove mine in any way. I got called a satan worshipper for wearing a Nirvana wrist band in middle school. I had friends that couldn't come to my house because their parents knew I played Yu-Gi-Oh and they thought it was about demon rituals. Go ahead and keep lying to yourself though.", "If a joke hinges on very specific context that most of your audience isn't aware of, it's not a good joke.", "> It’s a tool he uses during it, but he’s far more concerned with his status as a comedian and being cancelled.\n\nI disagree. He's pretty clearly using the criticism of his stuff as a way to talk about the disparity in privilege between the lgbtq community at large and black people at large. I think you have to turn your ears off a lot during the special to avoid that realization.", "As I mentioned before though, was bullying online all that contributed to her suicide? She lost her job and access to her children. That is far more likely to have caused her to kill herself. The narrative that she killed herself over online bullying is convenient for Dave, but where is the evidence?", "He is nothing like Carlin and it's pretty disrespectful to Carlin to make that comparison. Carlin would rip Dave a new asshole for his \"woe is me, I'm just a poor entitled old rich man\" shtick.", "See we can't address the amount of nasty online bullying the trans community does, if they won't admit to doing it.\n\nNow do you see the problem? (Daphne directly stating the bullying is what killed her, is not necessary. The attacks on her twitter page are all the proof we need the trans community eats their own.)", "\nThe gender vs sex distinction did not exist in 1980, it's a recent thing and it did not even begin to take off until the 90s.\n\nBy your reasoning, because the overwhelming majority of the scientific community in the 80s believed that gender and sex were the same, anybody who argued otherwise would be going against science and should have been deplatformed.\n\nAnd yes, there are critics of the gender-sex distinction in academia, the wikipedia article has a lot on the topic.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_gender_distinction", "My point was to say that it's entirely possible that there are gay and trans people who go on social media to be exclusionary and bigoted assholes and hide behind their identity as a shield from criticism.", "Milo Yiannopalous is typing...", "Because he isn't using his speech as a weapon to damage their lives. He's not saying \"Hey, these people need to be fired from their jobs. These people need to be ostracized.\" They are the ones doing that.", "It means your opinion on matters that you are insulated from due to your wealth should be taken with the biggest, fattest chunk of salt you can muster.", "Ok. I get it trans people are a bad hateful bunch. Every single one of them. Got it. Have a good night.", "Eh, just won't watch this one. Didn't like the last 1.5 hours of his material.", "I don't think so. I think the modern equivalent to getting your own sitcom back then is getting a special, whether on Netflix or the other streaming platforms.\n\nTo me, podcasts are like Fan clubs more than anything.", "This is funny, I love when two groups fight over who the biggest victim is.", "No it wasn't? Why are people lying about this? Their demands included removing Chapelle imagery from the office(nothing to do with closer), asking for more minorities in management positions, asking for the algorithm to suggest pro-trans content after someone viewed the closer.", "See you are still refusing to address the problem by leaving behind a straw man and patting yourself on the back for a clever little comment.\n\nBut people are still going to be torn a part online for not marching to the drum the T's are playing.\n\nThroughout all human history, that has always been a bad thing.\n\nWe honestly need to address the community and their apparent belief that they alone decide people's fates.", "Yeah sure, you can call it that. If you're a bigot you get cancelled or boycotted or whatever.", "Did you watch the video at the top of this thread? He is literally whining about \"corporate interests\", then goes on to say how he has no concern for the pandemic, immediately followed by how he can't sell some shitty documentary about him not caring about the 3/4 of a million dead people.", "If I understand you correctly, I do think trans people are looking for that experience, just not from an ignorant straight man. Dave was talking about experiences that he knew affected his community. It's obvious he is well educated on the matter outside of popular culture. I think he mistakenly thinks that people will care about his opinions about LGBT people in the same way.", "The 90s were THIRTY years ago my dude. Science is kinda past the shit we did in the 90s. Times change and you wait for scientific study or do your own research before spouting off about topics you don’t really understand. \n\nWhy is it, do you think, that the scientific and psychology community seems quite adept at handling gender issues while “armchair critics” seem to always find themselves on the opposite end of criticism? Is it possible they haven’t even read or discussed or researched the topic and are instead just saying their opinions?\n\nAlso, the “criticisms” in that wiki article are literally about the confusion about gender and sex because there should be better terms for gender because they get conflated with the biological. That’s not a criticism of gender identity at all, just a critique of wording.\n\nAnd finally; yes, you should get deplatformed if you’re making shit up. Why do you deserve a platform if you’re not even versed in the subject matter? Do Phrenologists deserve a University chair and a Ted talk stage?", "Congrats, your opinion on comedy is irrelevant.", "I'm just saying it benefits the Right.", "\"I'm going to attribute to this guy something he didn't say at all by putting my strawman argument in quotes.\" \n\nNeat trick.", "Not being a fan of it doesn’t mean you aren’t willing to tolerate it for bags of money...\n\nAnd it definitely doesn’t mean it’s your primary goal like the comment I responded to suggested.", "None of that is complaining about the rich. And yes I was at this show where he taped this.", "I really dislike how recursive his specials have gotten. Just give me a solid standup and make me laugh or think, not defend jokes from 3 specials ago.\n\nIt was defensive, petty, and disappointing. Only a couple good zingers the whole 70 minutes.", "Unless you live in a very specific bubble of anti-sjw internet, yes, absolutely. Maybe you'll rememebr BLM, or the countless protest, or the fact that athletes around the world have been showing support by taking a knee, or how black people are commonly represented in media and popular culture, or maybe how the US had a black president. Or when was theast time a trans voice was paid tens of millions of dollars to record a speical for the worlds largest streaming service?\n \nIf you honestly think that trans voices are proportionality lounder than black voices you need to pull your heas out of your ass and go live in the real world for a minute. \n\n Black voices are at least 30 times louder.", "Yeah total coincidence lol", "So let me say that's speaking through the lens of a straight white man. \n\nI think Chapelle believes the trans community wants to exist as a tribe. That they want the group and the identity to be recognized in perpetuity as a community. And I think he believes that because that's been his experience as a black man. \n\nBut I think he fails to grasp that many trans persons simply want to be accepted as the gender they identify with. That the tribe exists only for the purposes of gaining acceptance. Many would prefer to be accepted as a man, or woman, or something non-binary. And not as a trans man, trans woman, etc. \n\nHe views race relations in, erm, black & white terms. He wouldn't want to be accepted as if he were white; he wants black identity to be accepted as a valuable and equal thing. And he assumes that's how most of the trans community thinks. \n\nThat was the point he was making with \"...until they need to be white again\". He's lived a life where his identity as a black man is permanent and can't quite grasp the experience of people changing their identities.", "Except that’s a bad point because it’s a cyclical problem. So he can get angry at the attempt but its ridiculous for people to be mad at him for what he said?\n\nPeople are trying to get him fired because he used his huge platform to espouse transphobia and pretend like he’s the worlds biggest victim. That was the consequence for his action.", "lol sure", "Like talking to a brick wall", "So you're saying conservative politics and censorship go hand in hand?", "I see you guys are unwilling to be rational and have a normal discussion. I'll leave it so. You guys sure showed me. Not you btw just the downvoters lol", "Wat", "And certain things aren't transphobic even if you think they are.\n\nSo then how do we decide who is right? Can't we just agree to disagree?", "I mean then he shouldn't be saying ignorant shit like \"I'm team TERF\". You know, the people that constantly dehumanize trans women and entirely erase trans men and non binary people.", "Given the ban-loving nature of many of the default subs, hardly. Political subs in general love to censor people that step out of line.", "But that's the thing. He argues \"black people have it worse\". He's acting like black people and trans people are two competing minorities. They're not. Being trans is a human experience that has nothing to do with race. A random person born is just as likely to be trans if they're born black vs if they're born white. \n\nChapelle doesn't spend the special talking about corporate control and influence, he spends the special talking about trans women with Joe Rogan necks and jokes about chicks with dicks at the urinal. #SoBrave\n\nThe problem I have with the special is that Chapelle talks about the trans community the same way he talks about whites; like they're not an oppressed group. Like they're the ones with the power, and they should share some of it with the black community. Like they've \"won\" the culture wars and they sit at the top now. And that's just bullshit. It's obvious from how he talks that Chapelle really doesn't believe he's punching down. \n\nBeing trans is not easy. It's almost never an advantage. And it's not something that's done at the expense of racial minorities.", "Does whining and playing the victim pass for comedy these days?", ">\tMy observation is that Cancel Culture contributes to that behaviour where business will cave to a clients accusations.\n\nYour observation is bullshit. \n\n>\tI'm not saying it didn't happen before, I'm saying that its more prevalent now because of cancel culture. \n\nYou’re literally making this up and have zero empirical evidence to back this up. \n\n>\tI hoped sharing what I consider to be an outcome influenced by the impact of Cancel Culture \n\nNope. All you did was show how obsessed you are with cancel culture and right wing talking points.", "Fair enough. I'll give him credit for the writing but I still think the other cast members had more entertaining and better done performances. But that's just like my opinion man...", "Alright man, go get your pineapple pizza somewhere else.", "Okay but that’s a different argument. You’re moving the goalposts everytime someone make a good point", "Dave’s career choices say:\n\nBlack People > Money > LGBTQ People", "Talking about Fundamentalist Christian's concept of mercy, like they didn't try, unsuccessfully, to cancel J K Rowling first. I went to Catholic school in the early 2000's and JK Rowling was banned from the school library, because some parents got pissed about the whole witchcraft thing.\n\nHere's the thing about JK Rowling. She can't be cancelled. She's already super rich. For her, being \"cancelled\" means that no one really respects her opinion, and maybe won't buy her mediocre non-Harry Potter mystery novels, or whatever. It's hard to argue she's suffering.", "Alright, glad we could have reasonable discourse here. Enjoy your day.", "But the point is whether or not he's being cancelled. Not about who's fault it is", "I didn't comment on that.\n\nI commented on the post and logic which was wrong.\n\nAgain you're taking it in bad faith and making things up about what I've said.\n\nYou're wrong and now lieing and making things up.", "Yes. For the same reason \"doing whatever you want\" is not license to murder.\n\nImposing your will on others is wrong.", "I mean it's just plain disingenuous to pretend everyone who has an issue with this special didn't watch it and are caught up in the ire of the echo chamber. I watched the entire thing, and found him to be an unfunny, bitter, and out-of-touch on these topics. He is angry to receive backlash that he is not used to. He is touring with Joe fucking Rogan, the poster child of aggrieved, pseudo-intellectual, alt-right platforming. \n\n\nYou could clarify with context and how even harsh criticism that also takes into account the context is still misguided.", "..... responding to criticism and defending yourself are no no way a failure to \"cope\".\n\nI can't imagine you're going to say he should make no response to criticism... so I have no idea what your posting IS. Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.", "I mean, if the subject of the piece says he sides with TERFs, it's hard to argue against transphobia if you know anything about the term.", "Don’t you fucking kink shame me.", "I mean, no shit. The media dividing groups and causing division is uncontroversial. Chapelle does this himself by playing oppression olympics between the Black community and LGBT as though they are mutually exclusive things.", "Bingo. This is the only part they filmed. The encore, of which, is making the rounds on the net. Assuming this was their intent", "You understand that it's defined by votes, right? Not some kind of editorial comment.\n\nControversial means that there are a roughly similar number of upvotes and downvotes.", ">If you can't even say \"trans women are not women\" without everyone losing their shit then why if you framed the same sentiment in a joke would it suddenly be ok to people.\n\n\nBecause that's how jokes work? Don't you know what a joke is? Saying something rude about a group of people is rude but if you can phrase it in a funny and lighthearted way people will laugh.\n\n\nYou're example of people freaking out over you saying a bigoted statement has nothing to do with comedy, it's just you saying something mean and mistaking it for comedy. \n\n\nThere's plenty of good inoffensive trans jokes. How many trans people does it take to change to lightbulb, just one but people will always ask if you if youve thought the change through enough.", "People are literally more mad at dababy for a homophobic slur than the murder he committed. This is social commentary and Dave has always talked about social commentary. How old is 15 really? Michael Jackson, Monica Lewinsky. The comments in this thread are such bad takes", "That didn’t actually happen. Go find me all these horrible comments saying she should die and talking all this crazy shit. No offense to her but she was in no way famous or well-known before her death. She had like six or seven people respond to her and nobody was really all that bad. Her friends have said her suicide had nothing to do with Twitter. Dave himself says he has no idea if this is actually the reason she did it. As much as you want to act like the entire community win against her, the facts just do not back it up", "Haha what? There are 50 things I could point out to show how weird of a statement that is, but to stay on topic do you not see the person I was responding to literally saying he can do whatever he wants??", "I did watch a few, he wasn't telling jokes. I'm not the only one to say this.", "0.01% of the population with absolutely no influence is not cancel culture.", "They got ripped off, because he doesn't tell jokes.", "> Being a famous artist comes with critics. That's just how it is.\n\nThe difference with Dave is that he's realized he can use his critics as content and get paid millions for it in the process. I personally think the guy got stale years ago and haven't given a shit about this or any other \"controversy\" this guy attracts these days, but he's honestly genius for leaning heavily on this while he still can.", "If there are social consequences for telling jokes then that says a lot about the society in question. \n\nWe aren’t that far removed from George Carlin being literally arrested for “offensive” jokes because of public outrage, I guess you probably would have supported that too.", "K", "Oh ok. \n\nHey, you’re the expert here! \n\nI guess my experiences don’t count for that where yours do. Fair enough.", "haha the old \"can't you take a joke?\" response to casual racism. it's okay to punch down when we're talking about asians i suppose. like, [literally](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/asian-american-woman-punched-new-york-city-camera/).", "> holy shit Karens... I can only take so many downvotes before I bend to your will and agree with you\n\nlmfao", "In 30 years, the absurd notions of gender fluidity that have erupted in the last decade are going to be mocked and reviled.\n\n(Everything I'm about to say set's aside the handful of genuine medical cases of sexual ambiguity such as extra or damaged sex chromosomes).\n\nThe concern over \"pronouns\" is not Enlighted or healthy. Quite the opposite. It takes the mistakes of the past and rather than fixing them, it adds more mistakes.\n\nGender roles are essentially superstitious hogwash. But that doesn't mean people should just make up their own gender and \"identify\" with it.\n\nThe way to address the historic malformed social constructs around gender is to directly reject them. Reject ALL gender assumptions and explicitly tell people that they are free to behave however they like. That their behavior doesn't define their gender or vice versa.\n\nThe notion that gender is different from sex is a trendy bit of doublespeak. Sex and gender have been synonyms in the English language for centuries. They mean the same thing.\n\nWhat people really mean and have issue with is gender roles. So say that. Take issue with and deconstruct perceived gender roles within society and explicitly counsel these conflicted people to just do what they want and stop worrying about how they fit the old definitions.\n\nChoosing to \"identify\" with a gender is simply unnecessary and unhelpful. Reject the notion that gender defines any part of character or behavior.", "\n>The 90s were THIRTY years ago my dude. Science is kinda past the shit we did in the 90s. Times change and you wait for scientific study or do your own research before spouting off about topics you don’t really understand. \n\nThe wikipedia article does have peer reviewed research on the topic.\n\nIronically, this is exactly what the scientific community isnm doing right now seeing that hormone blockers have not been authorised for use in gender dysophoric people nor are its effects properly studied.\n\nA study by GIDS found that hormone blockers did not reduce gender dysophoria.", "the-kids-are-wrong.jpg", "Lmfao that says everything", ">speech as a weapon to damage their lives\n\nI completely disagree. I don't think Dave is naive or forgot what happened to him when he did the Chepple show. He know full well the kind of weight his words have.", "I don't know if it's similar but I have a feeling this is similar to how some Harry Potter fans must feel toward Rowling.\n\nLike Chappelle was very formative in my youth as a comedian I loved, watched his specials on repeat, loved his show, was sympathetic to when he said fuck it I'm out and went and did his thing. I was mostly into rock and metal at the time but i checked out Block Party. I say all this to give context to my criticism here.\n\nOne of the frustrating things about this last special specifically is for all the talk about \"cancelling\" he's getting its become very difficult to criticize his special.\n\nYou try to talk about how his views are transphobic and you get the rebuttal of \"Everyone should be fair game for comedy\" alright but then you try to say the special wasn't that funny and you get \"Well it's really more of his views on current 'identity politics' in the US\".\n\nWhich leaves you unable to criticize him for his comedy (which this is the weakest special so far in that regard) and you can't criticize him on his views (which are rather... lets go with misinformed).\n\nAll the while he keeps doubling down with each special and now this video...", "That doesn’t mean that the candidates who win office are reflective of that. The democrats can’t even get enough support among their own ranks to pass center left-policies, much less anything close to progressive", "Ugh, cut it out with the identity politics.", "A real “place”? That really depends on how simplistic of an understanding you have of the word place. If youre so dumb, that you think the word “place” can only refer to a physical town square of people, where trans people get murdered, then no Twitter is not a “real place where trans people get murdered”. But only fucking morons are that stupid. \n\nPeople with actual clarity know that trans people kill themselves every week because of what Twitter does to them. so if you wanna go ahead and say “Twitter isn’t a real place”, and that this make believe place does NOT cause pain, suffering, torture, and suicide in the trans community, then you go ahead and say such an ignorant, fucked up statement. \n\nBecause we all know what you’re arguing here is that of Twitter isnt a physical place, and therefore nothing that happens on there has any bearing on real life, then at the very least you can use it against Dave. But you’ve made the mistake of using Dave‘s own logic against him, it’s not logic. He’s a comedian. Using his logic as a basis for a starting point in an argument is stupid. \n\nIn addition shitstain, plenty of people, trans people, have killed themselves because of the harassment/abuses they’ve received on Twitter. Is that not real enough for you? Is that not as real as the harassment trans people receive in the streets “under overpasses” that makes them suicidal? Is that not real enough to you? Go ahead discount every person who killed them selves because of l “not a real place”. \n\n\nyou fucking transphobe. You have no business speaking on this. You shut your mouth and listen to those who know.", "Uh, who exactly is pretending to be victimized?", "Dude, you’re flat out wrong. I don’t know how else to tell you. You can’t just make up definitions for words and expect everyone to be like “oh yeah that’s totally right even though nobody else uses it that way.”\n\nChange your opinion or continue to sound like an idiot. It’s one of two choices.", "Wow", "I agree. Didn’t find any if it offensive, just didn’t think it was very funny, either. Only because he is my favorite comedian and he usually has me in tears. A new Chappelle special is a huge deal in my house and this one was by far his worst. Still not bad, though.", "I don’t really care what consenting adults do.", "Personally I never really found Carlin that funny. His stand up was less jokes and more somewhat witty ranting.", "Also, much has changed since his show. Comedy styles are basically all this way right now. I see some of these people are into bo burnham, I guess that’s funny? I mean, I won’t knock it, to each their own, but odd to like that and hate current Dave.", "He completely acknowledged what pisses people off in his special.", "I don’t really care what consenting adults do. \n\nYour argument has been applied to the LGBTQ and every fetish imaginable.", "No he didn't. He never acknowledged the transphobia.", "I’m not trying to be controversial. Why is it every response is trying to challenge an opinion with some other idea? I’m just responding to what I see in the comments.", "Yes he absolutely did.", "Literally the thing that makes TERFs is that they hate trans people. It's like saying you support the KKK or Nazis and then are shocked when people assume you hate black people or jews.", "if you said the world was flat, you wouldn't be the only one saying that either. but, ya know, those people are wrong.", "No he didn't", "Keep defending his shitty stand up. I don't care what he says during them, it's just not funny.", "??? That is literally what you did to my comment", "Pretty much, yeah. A comedian that doesn't make you laugh is basically worthless.\n\nI don't expect him to tiptoe around any subjects. He was just whining. It's disappointing to see one of my favorite comedians turn into Tim Allen.\n\nHe's trying to act woke and like a white person from the 50s at the same time and it doesn't really work.", "I understood that part of the special and it was one of the only things I didn't hate. However, what he likely doesn't understand is that trans people aren't just loving their life until they transition. It's a major identity crisis. Trans people are always fighting, just in a different way. I think if he spent more time trying to understand their experience instead of reading JK Rowling's nonsense, he would be more compassionate.", "So… cancelling is good?", "And what makes my opinion any less valid than yours?\n\nIn the past if you tuned in to a Chappelle special you expected to laugh at your own and other people's expense. That was the whole point. Lazer focusing on one group ruins it.\n\nEveryone is tuning in for the wrong reason now. It's crazy. Even the \"fuck your feelings\" type conservatives got all pissy when he made fun of Trump supporters on his first special back.", "Not within the bounds of stand up comedy no", "I tried to explain that in my initial comment. It read weird how a lot of comments were saying what Dave’s need to be doing. I get they don’t like his current comedy or dislike him for his perspective and opinions. Current comedy is much about this kind of stuff, it’s changed a lot. It just reads weird, especially compared to general consensus on this video and his special.", "You can call anything you disagree with \"transphobic\". The hell does that word even mean? You can apply it to anything that does not fully support trans.", "I didn’t say anything about the way you’re commenting. Controversial, obvious, bs. Literally nothing.", "Trans people = cloud", "And it's not a good look for a man to dress like a woman.", "Would probably get a boner ngl. why the fuck would i care lol.", "Ok!\n\nHelp, comedians are being oppressed by... The free market and audiences not enjoying their performance?", "> Useless thing to say, give me actual examples of that being the point please.\n\n#\n\n> He once shot a ngga… and killed him, in Walmart. Oh, this is true, Google it. DaBaby shot and killed a ngga in Walmart in North Carolina. Nothing bad happened to his career. Do you see where I am going with this? In our country, you can shoot and kill a ngga but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings.\n\n#\n\n> Droplets was coming out of this bitch’s face. We all covered our drinks. Ew! Baby, what are you doing? Now I looked over the table that she came from, and I peeped game. The men at the table were filming me. This happens when you’re famous. People will come over and try to rattle your cage and get you to say something stupid or dumb so that their buddies can film it and get a video of you embarrassing yourself. And clearly I said, “This is what is happening.” And these dumb motherfuckers thought, it was my first rodeo. Sadly it worked. I ran right over there, I said… I pointed right in the camera I said, “You is a bitch-ass ngga for doing this to me.” And the dude was shocked that I said it. He said “Huh?” And when he did like this, I’ve seen all his fingernails is painted and I realized like, “Oh-oh.” [laughter] “This fellow is gay.” Yeah, you know how I talk. I call everybody a bitch-ass ngga. You know what I mean? But that is not a right thing to do if they’re gay. You know what I mean? And now I was in trouble and not only that, the motherfucker was huge. He stood up, he was towering over me. He must have been 6′ 5″, a big White corn-fed Texas homosexual, this ngga was ready to fight. And he started barking on me, but I stood my ground, I wasn’t scared. How could I be scared? This motherfucker’s shirt was tied up in a knot like this. Oh, fuck this guy. Let’s go, ngga, let’s go. I thought we were going to come to blows. I was ready and then right when you think we would fight, guess what he did? He picked up his phone and he called the police. And this, this thing I am describing is a major issue that I have with that community. Gay people are minorities, until they need to be White again. I’m being very brutally honest, so we can solve this problem. I’m telling you right now a Black gay person would have never done that to me. ‘Cause a Black gay person knows, when the police shows up they’re not going to care who called ’em. They don’t show up like, “Which one of you nggers is Clifford?”\n\n#\n\n> There is a problem in that feminist movement, isn’t there? From its inception in America there has always been a racial component. When Susan B. Anthony was having that meeting and Sojourner Truth’s Black ass showed up. Read your history books. All the White women asked Sojourner Truth not to speak. They didn’t conflate the issues of women’s rights and slavery. But you know how Black bitches are, so Sojourner Truth went up there anyway. She did a famous speech, she said “Ain’t I a woman?” “Ain’t I a woman?” That’s right. And listen, listen, listen. I supported the “Me Too” movement, but the whole time, the whole time I thought that the way they handled it was stupid. [laughter] It was, it was White, it was like… they were doing shit, like going to the Golden Globes and all of them would be like “Let’s all go to the Golden Globes and wear black dresses. And give these men a piece of our minds.” Bitch, that is not gonna work. You think Martin Luther King is gonna be like, “I want everybody to keep riding the bus, but wear matching outfits.” [laughter] You got to get off the bus and walk. It’s real talk. A real talk, that was a silly movement. “I want everybody to wear crochet pussy hats so they know we are serious.” What the fuck was y’all doing? And then I said something about it in one of my specials and all these women actresses came after me. I said, “Man, fuck y’all too, you canceled. I ain’t jerking off to none of your pictures again.” They were like, “Who is he to tell us anything?” I’ll tell you exactly who I am. I’m the one that got off the bus and left $50 million on the bus and walked. I agreed with these women. I just didn’t agree with what they were doing about it. Right. Right. No, it was annoying as fuck… because if these women were serious, you know what they would have done? They all would have fired their agents. And they would have went to the mailroom of one of these big agencies and found a woman that was bustin’ her hump in there and said, “If you want to talk to us then you have to talk to her.” And if they did that, then she would be big, and they would be big and nobody would get fed to Harvey Weinstein. But did they do that?\n\n#\n\n> Well let’s say something goes horribly wrong and there I’m in Walmart with the poor Whites rummaging around for mediocre goods and services. And then I got to go to the restroom. So, I excuse myself from my family. I go to the men’s room. Now I’m standing at the urinal, taking a leak. And this is what this law is gonna do. And suddenly a woman walks into the men’s room. I’m like, that’s strange. And then she stands shoulder to shoulder with me at the urinal, I’m gonna be like, “Bitch, what’s going on with you?” And then she hikes her skirt up and she pulls a real live, meaty dick out! What do you think I am going to say? Thank God, she’s in here with me. At least now I know my family is safe. Mm-mm. No, I’m not gonna feel that way at all, I’m gonna feel very uncomfortable. I would feel better if it was a man with a vagina that backed up to the urinal next to me. [audience laughs] I wouldn’t even think about that, I’d just be like, “That’s funny.” “This guy is peeing out of his butt for some reason.” “Oh my God, he must be a Veteran, thank you for your service.” I’m not indifferent to people’s suffering ’cause I know it’s hard to be everybody. We Blacks, we just got our first big holiday in a long time. Happy belated Juneteenth to the Blacks.\n\n1/2", "> Juneteenth is a strange holiday, isn’t it? It commemorates when Black people in Texarkana area of the country first found out that they were free. But remember, they were free when they found out. They just didn’t know it yet. Very interesting holiday. You know, I learned something This is a wild story. I learned this past Juneteenth of a story, this is true. And it’s that there was a Black man who was in South Carolina during slavery who somehow got granted his freedom by his so-called master. And when his master granted him the freedom he also gave him a plot of land. Now it turns out, this brother was brilliant. He had a good eye, good knack for farming. And he farmed this plot of land very successfully and made a lot of money, and this is where the story gets crazy. When he got all that money… this ngga brought some slaves. Have you ever heard this before? This is a true story. Not only was he a slave owner, he became a slave breeder. And employed tactics that were so cruel even White slave owners were like, “Yo, my man.” He was a wild dude, but he did it just because that’s what successful people did at the time. He just wanted to be down, what a fuckin’ tragedy. How can a person that went through slavery perpetuate the same evil on a person that looks just like him. It’s mind blowing. And shockingly, they’re making a movie about him. Ironically… it is called Space Jews. Space Jews. [distant chuckling] The point of that story is this person was invested in a construct. That was the construct of successful people and he just followed the roadmap of successful people. He followed what they called “an incentive.”\n\n#\n\n> And she was very gracious. She said “Thank you so much”, and we shook hands and as she was shaking my hand, her face turned mean, like her mom’s. And she said, “Do you mind, not punching down on my people?” Oh, I don’t like that. Normally, I would’ve let it go, but I was drunk. I said, “What might you mean, bitch?” I was careful to call her a bitch, ’cause I didn’t want to blow her cover. [audience laughs] Turns out she wasn’t hiding. She was loud, she was proud. She let me have it in front of everybody. Screaming at me, all the talking points from that article. You transphobic, this and that. Kept clapping her hands in my face. “Let me tell you somethin’.” I said, “Where did you learn this from, Black bitches?” She kept going, “Let me tell you something, honey.” So annoying. She kept calling transgenders, her people. Ain’t that weird? “My people this, my people that.” I said, “What do you mean, your people?” Were you all kidnapped in Transylvanian, brought here as slaves? [laughter] She said, “My people have struggled for decades, honey, decades.” And I looked at them gay Black dudes, like. “Is there anything you nggas need to tell this bitch? [laughter] Clifford, Clifford?” I am exaggerating, she is actually a very nice person and I’m cool with her now, but boy, that shit got on my nerves. And it got on my nerves because, whenever someone says that to me I know they have never seen me for themselves, they just repeat what they’ve heard. Any of you, who have ever watched me know that I’ve never had a problem with transgender people. If you listen to what I’m saying, clearly my problem has always been with White people. I’ve been arguing with the Whites my entire career. Just when I thought I had you guys on the ropes you changed all the rules. “Oh yeah?” – Yeah, motherfucker! – “Well.” I am a girl now, ngger. You must treat me as such. “Call me a girl, ngger.” It’s annoying as fuck. No, no, go back, go back tonight after the show, watch every special I did on Netflix. Listen to everything I’ve ever said about that community. I’ll go through ’em. I said, “How much do I have to participate in your self image?” I said, “You shouldn’t discuss this in front of Black people.” I said, “I know nggas in Brooklyn that wear high heels just to feel safe.” I asked you “Why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it is for Cassius Clay to change his name?”\n\n#\n\n> Boy, when she said that shit, it blew the roof of the place. Cut through all the tension, with that one joke. She had made up for 45 minutes of a stinker of a show. And after that, she could do no wrong. And I kept on rocking, and she kept on talking to me. And then the show became something cooler than a show. It became like a conversation between a Black man and a White trans woman and we started getting to the bottom of shit. All of them questions that you think about that you’d be afraid to ask, I was just asking them and she was answering them and her answers were funny as shit. The crowd was falling out of their chairs and at the end of the show, I go, “Well, Daphne”… I said “Well, that was fun.” I go, “I love you to death, but I have no fuckin’ idea what you’re talking about.” The whole crow laughed except for Daphne. Man, she looks at me like I’m not her friend anymore. Like I’m something bigger than me, like I’m the whole world in a guy. Then she said, “I don’t need you to understand me.” I said, “What?” She said, “I just need you to believe…” Just like that she goes, “…that I’m having a human experience.” And when she said it the whole crowd kind of gasped. And I gave the Fight Club look. I said, “I believe you, bitch.” Because she didn’t say anything about pronouns. She didn’t say anything about me being in trouble. She said, “Just believe I’m a person and I’m going through it.” I know I believe you, because it takes one to know one. Then I told the crowd “Good night.” And they started going crazy and before the applause gets to it’s crescendo I was saying, “Don’t forget my opening act, Daphne.” And the crowd stood up. And I looked at her, tears came out of her eyes she couldn’t believe it was happening. I couldn’t believe it was happening ’cause her show stunk. [laughter] And it was a great night. And I remember, the late great Paul Mooney was there bunch of flyers, comedy nggas was there.\n\n2/2", "Just because it wasn't successful doesn't mean people didn't try.", "I don’t think TERF is at all transphobic. Surprise, a differing opinion than yours. Welcome to society.", "Probably not as stupid as this bitch. \n\nhttps://vidmax.com/video/208222-turns-out-the-trans-activist-who-organized-the-netflix-walkout-of-dave-chappelle-is-a-pure-bigot-himself", "Tyranny of the majority", "Yeah, other people said that too, and I said several times now that that's lovely and that's not how Chappelle does it and that's not how he did it this time either and I cited reviews and racaps to show that wasn't what he did.", "Multiple emails involving homophobic, misogynistic, and racist language is not \"one comment.\" His career is not gone, he (rightly) lost one position for being a piece of shit on the job.", "This entire debacle has come full circle from “WHERE IS JA?” \n\n…WHERE IS DAVE", "Yikes, do you not know what the term entails?", "if there’s nothing to talk about why is chappelle monologging about it exhaustively? in a way that IMO clearly doesnt constitute comedy. this whole segment barely has jokes. hes just airing his grievances.\n\nedit: typo", "Yes I do. And I don’t think it equals negative feelings or actions towards transgender people.", "yikes.\n\nMay I suggest you read up on Rowling's.... essay about terfs, then.", "It is entirely possible to believe that one's gender identity doesn't change many of the essential aspects of their biological sex, and to still respect those people whose gender doesn't conform to their sex. Respecting them doesn't require that I stop believing that sex is an important characteristic for understanding human differences.", "Oh I love this argument. We can't discuss any of the high-profile cases of canceling because all those people are so famous their cancellation can never truly be complete. And we can't discuss any of the low-profile cases of cancelling that are far more successful because most of us will never hear about them, hence them being successful.\n\nIf the canceling works, we don't know any better, and if it doesn't work, it's not really canceling. A full-proof argument to dismiss anyone who would proclaim there is a problem with cancel culture.", "Point me to it, I’ll read it. A lot of debate on the word and meaning. There’s actually quite a few terms that are seen wildly different depending on you stance and opinions. Cis is another term viewed to be transphobic by many which obviously isn’t. \n\nBut yeah, point me to the essays.", "It's funny because all the \"dusty ass white people\" defending him now wanted him cancelled after his first special back and when he talked bad about orange man on SNL and now they are simping him.\n\nThey're just as soft as the people protesting him now.", "You asked for examples, so I gave them to you.", "TIL a new word. \"Clapter\"", "Context matters, man. All those things are nothing compared to what the players are saying to each other on the field. He called the commissioner a fag a few times, he's not anti-gay. People make racist jokes all the time. It's not great, but it's overcorrecting and none of the priorities it makes any sense. Tyreek Hill was convicted of beating his wife and three year old and the NFL advertises him in commercials. The \"Redskins\" owner sex trafficed his cheerleaders and had his employees spy on them and secretly film them nude. Let's just change the team name to something more PC and not worry any of that other stuff.\n\nAlso, I like how you trivialize Gruden's life's work and the $80,000,000+ left on his contract, though. He'll never coach again.", "I might be old by this post's standards but...since when was \"fucking with someone's opinion\" a good thing? \n\"Fucking with something\" means to mess around with it in typically an irresponsible or dangerous way. Is that what you were trying to convey with that line? \n\n\n(on the topic of your comment, I fully agree. This world is insane rn and there is no baseline anymore. shit's just fucked.)", "It's not that comedians specifically embolden violence, it's that demeaning a marginalised group does. It can be through jokes, it can be through fiction, it can be through inflammatory news stories, or through policy decisions; it's all treating a group as less worthy of our compassion and more worthy of our disgust.\n\nChappelle paints trans people and LGTQ+ people as a cohesive, powerful, and oppressive group. Meanwhile there have been efforts to deny them medical assistance in some states, including Ohio. The caricature he paints is one that leaves his audience unsympathetic to the challenges they face for simply being who they are. \n\nWhat this leads to is it's fine to call them names, it's fine to call them slurs, it's fine to harass them and harm them emotionally and psychologically; a group that already has a disproportionately high rate of suicide and should be helped instead of harassed. It's easy then to be physically violent against a group that it's already \"okay\" to harm.", "Sorry, but you can’t just brush it off like that. You absolutely did. It’s right there - you said it was about being straight. It clearly wasn’t. And nowhere did he say it was. Nowhere did he imply it was. Was him saying “ladies, XXXXXXXX” right after the joke directed towards me as a straight man? Nope. It was directed to WOMEN. Women who have been eligible for the award their own life. \n\nAlso - What’s my narrative, exactly? Youre just using buzzwords and sass to try and brush off very valid complaints about your argument without actually saying anything of merit.", "God damn. I forgot about him. Good thing he’s one guy.", "> You’re spewing the transcript, it’s not making any point and reinforcing that point.\n\nAlrighty. It's pretty clear you're not really interested in having a good faith discussion. Have a nice day.", "Again you’re misquoting so much here and flat out refusing to correct yourself that this is becoming a self fulfilling prophecy. \n\nNowhere did he say straight people should be mad at a transgender winning woman of the year. He fucking spells it out for you - a WHITE MAN who became a woman WON WOMAN OF THE YEAR after being a woman for less than a year. “Ladies, you’ve gotta work on being better women!” - somehow you take that as a gay straight thing. Youre morphing things to fit your agenda and justify the anger you’re seeing portrayed without thinking for yourself. \n\nI very much believe you turned on his special and streamed it but After reading all of your posts here.. I very much know you did NOT watch it.", ">you said it was about being straight \nThat is false. I said he said that straight people should be mad that a trans person was women of the year. Which is exactly what he said. If you gonna take this stance at least make sure you are right.", "r/confidentlyincorrect", "The comedian crossed an subjective line and hurt your feelings, who gives a shit.", "I think he’s a funny guy. His show was literally cancelled.", "That's not what I'm getting at, but I didn't phrase it well so that's on me. What I mean is, it's not meaningful to call someone \"cancelled\" when there aren't any tangible results of their cancellation. In that case it just means \"the internet doesn't like this person, and her opinion is not respected.\" \n\n \nWhen the Dixie Chicks got cancelled, it decimated their careers as musicians. When Louis CK got cancelled, it was tangible. He lost gigs. So did Aziz Ansari. JK Rowling, as far as I can tell, hasn't been impacted at all. They're still making Fantastic Beasts films. Her publisher isn't dropping her. No one really cared about her other novels prior to cancellation, and they still don't now. Was she cancelled, or not? It seems like nothing has changed for her, other than perhaps public opinion of her hot takes on gender.", "I would do the same if I felt it was the only medium to relay my true, unaltered feelings on the subject. If you watch the Closer, you’d hear the empathy in his voice when he tells the story of his trans friend trying out comedy. He genuinely feels everyone should have the right to live the way they see fit. \n\nHe’s constantly monologuing it because he wants to continue to do comedy in its purest form without violent rebuke from one group. To me that tells the tale. ONE group wants blood.", "That just a rejection of what was said by looking at factors that, frankly, aren’t important", "A millionaire offended a lot of people and now has had his life mildly inconvenienced by the consequences of his actions, who gives a shit.\n\nThat's the thing about reductive arguments. They can go both ways.", "What? They reacted positively. That’s not circle jerking. Calling him “transphobic” as he states has been done for decades without actually listening to what he says is circle jerking", "He's married to an Asian and his kids are half Asian. So I doubt that he doesn't care about anti-Asian violence. He may just not care to speak on it.", "i'm sure you'd love a certain michael richards laugh factory set then", "That was not all it was about. That's all you heard and that's exactly part of the problem.", "I can't move the goalposts if I've only ever interacted with you once", "But the audience loves them. I don’t really give a flying fuck about reviews because it’s all Yelp now. It’s either the greatest thing ever or it’s the worst. Closer wasn’t his best but it was still good. All these losers whining about “I wanted muh jokes” haven’t watched the others. He does this in every one", "It is fair to say the 1.7% is widely disputed. Other studies put the numbers as low as .05% which is significantly lower and equally disputed. Obviously, anybody with an interest will simply used the number they want.", "Let me correct myself then: most pepole who are vocal about liking it online", "Sure, but as he said, you can’t really give a trans woman the same kind of credit for things like you can a biological woman. His “n* award” joke is a good example of that", "But they aren’t, it’s the vocal minority pissing and moaning about how they are being assaulted and oppressed with words and the majority is afraid of the optics so they cave.", "The current identity politics is closer to Malcolm X than it is to the civil rights movement. The ideas they are espousing are the ones that were rejected in the past.", "Sure. But you still cannot be put in the same group as biological women. It’s the same reason you shouldn’t compete in women’s sports leagues. You are a trans woman, but saying you are just like any woman is wrong. You did have societal advantages growing up, whether you’d like to admit it or not. And as Dave pointed out last special, men transitioning to women seem to get the most sympathy of any trans group", ">Chappelle paints trans people and LGTQ+ people as a cohesive, powerful, and oppressive group.\n\nThere is some truth to that. The group definitely attempts to silence any disagreement and cause financial harm to those who don't share their core values. \n\nThat someone acknowledges a distinction between women and trans women isn't transphobic in every instance.\n\nFor example in a medical study of an issue unique to women, trans women can be excluded. Involving transwomen in a study of ovarian cysts makes no sense but someone might call it transphobic. \n\nMy dating profile states my clear preference for cis women. I have no interest in a physical relationship with a transwoman.\n\nI don't hate, fear, or otherwise wish to restrict any aspect of that life. But im not dating a transwoman. And I am not afraid to say so. And my saying so doesn't embolden anyone else to attack someone.\n\nDave never said it was okay to hurt someone. He's not inciting any violence. There is no link between the non violent comments he shared and violent activity.", "I'm using my freedom of expression to say that I don't like Dave Chappelle. If you don't like it...", "Dave Chappelle", "Please define \"triggered\"", "I still fail to see what one has to do with the other. \n\nIf my friend is bullied worse than I am, would you dismiss the fact that I was bullied? Dismissing something because something is worse in history makes no sense.", "Care to back up your assertion in any way whatsoever?", "Different person.", "I didn't forget that - my point is they have given their reasoning as why it is dangerous to trans community and Netflix employees are as such asking for it to be taken down. \n\nYou're issuing yet another strawman \n\nThey aren't just mindlessly trying to cancel Dave Chapelle - they have reasons and it has to do with safety and dignity of person hood - about as noble a cause as you can have. \n\nNot saying I agree as I haven't seen the special - and am not going to unless there is a way to do so illegally without giving chapelle a view tied to my Netflix account. I already knew from his last special that he's an out of touch whiney old person and so I'm not at all surprised that he has gotten even whinier and less in tune with the lgbt community (his jokes about the l, g, and b's being mad at the t's was utterly nonsensical)", "That's the free market of ideas. If you say something I don't like, I am not forced to show your movie.", "I think it's the opposite. She wants to give men a free pass on sexual assault and put the burden on trans women", "Lol. Now comparing Dave’s standup to one riddled with racial slurs.", "I honestly think it has less do with wealth and more to do with power and success", "Idk why you think I’m supporting cancel/outrage culture. Every comment I’ve made is about Chappelle self-victimizing over a little criticism. You’re reliance on trying to make a “gotchu” insult or statement says more about you than it does me. \n\nAnd George Carlin was unjustly arrested for saying fuck, shit, bitch, those words. Chappelle is facing backlash from a select group of people over his word usage. Your comparison just makes you seem soft if you think we’re closer to people being arrested than away from it. I mean, really, grow up. Jim Morrison was arrested but tell me the last musician arrested for screaming fuck on stage. \n\nThis is the funniest thing about people like you: You ride in on your high and mighty horse about over-sensitivity yet the entire context of the conversation is about someone who has been paid more to cry about false cancellation after brief criticism. Chappelle is still selling shows so why is crying about being cancelled? Because dumdums like you love to ride in and crusade in his defensive and eat it all up. \n\nBro, nobody fucking cares about his edgy comments, they’re sick of him complaining about criticism. This is not an argument of free speech, it’s an attack on the criticism of those in power. Get a grip and talk to someone outside of a Reddit post once and a while.", "Here's a joke: fuck off", "It's not hidden - it's large chunks of both specials. Again are you stupid? It's like asking for exAmples when Schindlers list dealt with Jewish experience", "How come I'm not getting invited to the powerful, oppressive cabal meetings?", "Yeah, exactly.", "If you can’t distinguish between “criticism” and hundreds of thousands of people trying to end your career at this point, you never will be capable of it.\n\nWhether they are successful is completely irrelevant - they are still doing it. The point has gone so far over your head that it’s probably to the moon by now", "oh so there are some things that you aren't ok with in a comedy set then? i thought nothing was off limits", "\"I'm team TERF\".", "Ok boys shut it down. Shut everything down. The thread. Reddit. The whole internet. Internet dialogs are pointless. Nothing matters. Nihilism wins. Embrace the void.", "You say I'm the drama queen and you resort to the \"transgender people are being murdered because of jokes\". That's a complete load of bullshit. It's not true that transpeople get \"literally murdered\" because people say that they don't believe men are women. That's being a drama queen.", "No group of people has a get out of being made fun of free pass. But you’d be daft not to realize some words could be off limits. What specific commentary about the trans community do you believe Dave said that’s off limits?", "Are you behind on your membership dues?", "What a well thought out argument. The typo is the cherry on top.", "I just listened to Anthony Jeselnik make fun of trans people and cancer kids. Both very funny. He even started the set by saying he “shouldn’t do it cuz the group thinks their off limits”.", "Except that's not what TERFs claim. (they don't \"hate\" trans people...that's a bit extreme). Furthermore I doubt that Chapelle even knows what a TERF really is.\n\n> It's like saying you support the KKK or Nazis\n\nOh look, it's a nazi comparison. Either learn history, or don't compare people to nazis. TERFs are not rounding people up in the street and sending them to concentration camps.", "It can be an attempted cancellation. Just like how an attempted murder is still a bad thing, even if no one ends up dying.", "The players that matter are the companies that choose to platform entertainers. They only care about \"optics\" insofar as they care about \"people still giving them money.\" If enough people share the opinion that Dave Chappelle is fucking up here that it threatens profits, companies move on to better investments, and if it really is that tiny of a minority, they won't give a shit. That's the free market babe\n\n'Good optics' has always been a thing, it just used to be that you had to suck off America and not talk about social problems like racism, or the poor, or the queers. Chapelle knows this. There was a time where a black man would get booed off the stage for talking about racism he faced, and he wouldn't get a call back because of 'the optics.' Nowadays, in most places, if a white guy spends his entire set being racist, he doesn't get a call back because of 'the optics'. Hopefully you can see why those two scenarios are different in terms of who's punching in what direction, but very similar despite the difference in time period because the big players are just giving what the crowd has decided they want.", "Ah I get it, as long as you don't say the slurs, you can say whatever. My bad, just trying to figure out your boundaries here.", "I must be, but I need to pay up if we're gathering to plot against you. Sounds fun.", "Where did I say \"because\"?", "Still a question…what specifically did you disagree with?", "Only nerds care about getting downvoted, that's not why people disagree with you. But it's a very convenient explanation, so congratulations.", "It’s absolutely not. I heard him speak about the experience of his friend. Not some overall transgender experience. Nice of you to stoop to name calling. You’re obviously much smarter than me. Kudos!", "Right. Cause cancel culture never condemned someone for a 5+ year old tweet or a false accusation.", "> There is some truth to that. The group definitely attempts to silence...\n\nEvery group that has values criticises those that go against their values. The core values of LGBTQ+ people is that they should be treated equally in society and not made to feel unwelcome or ashamed. But that's it. No wicked cabal, no big agenda, no oppression.\n\n> That someone acknowledges a distinction between...\n\nOf course it's not, that's why no one is advocating for that. \n\n> My dating profile states...\n\nI don't know why that matters here. Your preferences are your own, good for you. But there's a difference between you stating your preferences on a dating app and Dave doing a set that will be seen by millions and reduces trans women down to stereotypes.\n\n> Dave never said it was okay to hurt someone.\n\nHe doesn't need to say it's okay, he just did it. He thinks it's okay for him to do it, and by doing it he shows his fans that it's okay for them to do it to. \n\n---\n> There is no link between the non violent comments he shared and violent activity.\n\nYour original comment was you don't see how his comments can lead to people feeling unsafe or losing rights. In his words, and his attitude, and his rhetoric, he encourages his audience to view trans women as underserving of the sympathy they need; that they've already got it good enough. If he's successful in what he does (which he usually is) then his audience will walk away with that idea. They will take it home, and into their communities, and into the voting booth, and trans people in their lives will be harassed and harmed and ostracised and have their rights taken, as they are currently, without a tear shed because the audience will think they deserve it. \n\nWords have power.", "Congrats", "You must have not watched the Closer.", "It’s almost like you don’t understand philosophy.", "> I guess but I would find it incredibly hard to argue that being black is worse than being trans.\n\nEh. I think that's easy to say if you're not black. Like if you were a black person who has to put up with the intergenerational trauma of the black American experience and you turned around and saw the women's march or a pride march or anything similar you would probably have mixed feelings about the relative oppression of the two.", "Imagine being so dumb to think that the only way to become a philosopher is to study philosophy what comedians do for a living is the fundamentals of philosophy. Sorry your to smart to understand that.", "Ok, I'll bite. Do you want quotes, or summaries? I didn't like the \"team TERF\" bit, the whole invocation of some dead comedian to justify this, the whole LGBT vs black thing. What did you like and agree with that he said?", "How heavy is that chip on your shoulder?", "\"Am I canceled or not?!\" asks out of touch man while performing to a pack venue and making millions of dollars.", "lol I get you. But also: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fuck%20with", ">Your original comment was you don't see how his comments can lead to people feeling unsafe or losing rights.\n\nAnd I still don't because he didn't use words that call for any of those things. You admit that he didn't but you then say \"he didn't have to\". So now you are treating disagreement the same as an incitement to violence. \n\nOne person can say they don't agree with Bidens policies and plan to vote Trump. That's not the same as the person who says \"Biden stole the election and we have to stop the certification.\"\n\nOne is an expression of value the other a baseless conspiracy and call to violence. \n\nBoth use words but in a very different way. \n\nDave did not call for violence or a restriction on any legal rights. He called for the space to disagree, the space to acknowledge important distinctions between women and women and the space to disagree with tactics employed by the community. \n\nThat's not an incitement.\n\n>They will take it home, and into their communities, and into the voting booth, and trans people in their lives will be harassed and harmed and ostracised and have their rights taken, as they are currently, without a tear shed because the audience will think they deserve it.\n\nThere is zero basis for this statement. I watched the special twice. I'm still convinced that transgender people should be afforded equal protection under the law and equal access and respect for their identity. \n\nMy son's best friend has transitioned socially if not physically. He is just as welcome here now as before despite my having watched the closer.\n\nI brought up the dating profile because I've been accused of transphobia for even including that and that was nearly 20 years ago.", "As someone who accusing someone of misquoted you sure as shit didn't post the whole bit. I wonder why you left things out?", "It's called a simile you dingus.", "For the latter, the hope is that the loss of business will prevent them from being able to make money by having them be hit in the pocket book. If enough people boycott something, a business is likely to do the same as the former. People who boycott something are likely to try and pressure businesses to cease selling items from the boycotted person/company too.\n\nA boycott of Ahava Dead Sea Laboratories caused their flagship store to close and a bunch of their products to be removed off the shelves in some stores. Consumers will have a harder time buying their products.\n\nBen & Jerry's stopped selling their ice cream in some Iraeli held settlements after people were boycotting them. Consumers don't have an option to buy their ice cream in those areas.\n\nIvanka Trump closed her clothing line due to a Trump boycott after her sales dropped 45% and several retailers stopped selling her clothes. Consumers won't be able to buy those.\n\nBurberry, Armani, Versace, Gucci, Vivienne Westwood, Stella McCartney, and others stopped selling fur due to PETA boycotts over years. No fur coats from them for consumers.\n\nSeaworld won't have orcas after this last generation because they stopped their orca breeding programs thanks to boycotting. No going to Seaworld and seeing orcas.\n\nThat's just a few of the really successful boycotts over the past few years. In short, a successful boycott can cause the same result. If someone is unable to sell something because nobody wants to buy it, they're not going to have a platform to sell those goods. Personally, I feel \"canceling\" is just a boycott also. You don't see people saying right-wing individuals calling for a cease on sales for something are trying to cancel it. You only see people using the term to refer to left-wing individuals calling for a stop on something. Either way, the end goal is to get them to stop doing the thing people are boycotting over. Boycotting causes them to be cancelled if they don't make a change. I mean shit, my dude. People boycotted the Dixie Chicks to the point they were blacklisted after they said they were ashamed George W Bush was their president 18 years ago. They couldn't tour for years.", "If Dave ventured down the road of social commentary and inferred he was ok with exclusionary viewpoints, that would be the line. Jokes about trans dedication and throwing your dick into the air is funny. Agreeing they should be excluded somehow, not so much. \n\nThe black vs trans thing is tricky. He’s part of a marginalized group that’s been systematically held back for 400 years. The groups should actually find common ground as they have both and will both continue to have hard paths toward inclusiveness.", "ITT: people that really want Dave to stop being considered a legend, and are mad that it will never happen.", "But it's not the \"jokes\" I take issue with so much as the commentary. Either way, are you trying to convince me to like it? What's even the goal?", "So awesome it got her cancelled? \n\nYeah, so awesome how it was so sucky.", "Nice edits, faker", "> You admit that he didn't but you then say \"he didn't have to\"\n\nHe didn't have to call for direct violence. My claim is that his jokes have the effect of further dehumanising trans people in the eyes of his audience. That dehumanisation is what leads to violence by making it okay to cause harm (emotional and psychological at first). \n\nAn example much closer to what Trump did was his travel ban from Muslim countries. He didn't call for an increase in harassment towards Muslims in America, but by painting Muslims as \"the other\" that we've got to stop he emboldens those with already existing prejudices. Same with Chappelle: it's okay to joke about them, is it okay to target those jokes to individuals directly, to harass them for being snowflakes, to shove your prejudice in their face and make them feel unwelcome? Chappelle doesn't say what's okay or not okay, just that trans people are punching down his people... he doesn't say it's not okay to punch back up.\n\n> Dave did not call for violence or a restriction on any legal rights.\n\nAgain he doesn't need to, and I've not at any point suggested he did. My argument is the effect his words have on his audience. That it causes harm, and can lead to physical harm towards a group that's already disproportionately harmed in many ways.\n\n> I'm still convinced that transgender people should be afforded equal protection...\n\nGreat. It's good that we can still have discussions about it without everyone needing to be absolutists on the issue. Given that it's still an uphill battle to get and maintain rights for trans people, it very much matters what public figures say and how they characterise trans people. You can laugh at the jokes and then move on with your day, same with jokes about race or religion or class. There are still large parts of the population that don't have that ideological security on this issue and seek clarity from the knowledgeable voices in their life. Even comedians are a source for understanding and perspective on social issues; they can bring a great deal of clarity by cutting through the bullshit while also making us laugh. By painting trans people are oppressive, he sways moderates and fence-sitters away from further equality because they see it as a non-issue. \n\nWhether or not an EMT give's your son's friend first aid might come down to who get's elected in your state; and that vote might come down to a few thousand people on the fence about whether or not trans people deserve \"extra rights\" (if you see society as equal right now, then progressives can seem like they want to push society beyond equality by giving minorities More than equality). \n\nDave Chappelle's words might indirectly lead to deaths. It would absolutely not be his fault, and it would be compounded with a hundred other issues. I'm still just saying words matter; they affect us, they can change how we think, and how we think influences our actions.", ">\"Only nerds care about getting downvoted\".\n\nThis site is almost all nerds you absolute oxygen waste.\n\n>\"That's not why people disagree with you\".\n\nHas fuck all to do with nerds caring about downvotes.\n\n>But it's a very convenient explanation, so congratulations.\n\nBet you shivered to yourself in smug satisfaction at that attempted put down, but this\n\n>Only nerds care about getting downvoted, that's not why people disagree with you.\n\nDoesn't make any sense. I've made no suggestion I, personally, give a shit about downvotes so you can't tie the latter to the former. Nevermind though eh? It's Reddit, there's a million different threads you can preen and posture in.", "You obviously didn't, if that was you thought you saw.", "Why do you chapelle stans all have such horrible reading comprehension issues? I never said what you’re inferring. His last special sucked. That’s it. Get over it, or chop off your own dick, or whatever 🤦🏻‍♂️", "You're saying you think people self-censor because they're afraid of getting downvoted, otherwise more people would agree with you. It sounds like i touched a nerve... weird, because I thought trans people were supposed to be the real triggered snowflakes.", ">Lol what? Those are the potential patrons of the place you idiot.\n\nImagine having this poor of reading comprehension, and feeling confident enough to go around calling other people idiots!", "Probably they just enjoy experiences you don’t find appealing. Some of them could also be gullible dick riders, I guess, those aren’t mutually exclusive categories, but I bet most of them just fall into the bucket I described.", "How would I know what he is saying unless I watch?", "If you don’t like what he is saying or his comedy then don’t watch", "I think it’s wildly different. If you went to a Beyoncé concert and she just spent the whole time talking about civil rights you might feel a bit confused why she isn’t singing.", "Kaepernick was black-listed by the NFL. Couldn’t get a job as a QB because of it. Stop pretending that’s equivalent to Kevin Hart being disinvited from emceeing the Oscars and Dave Chappelle getting dragged on Twitter by a vocal minority. Hart and Chappelle are still working in their chosen professions, Kaepernick isn’t.", "Hah", "I like Dave Chappelle. Im critical of this presentation because I don’t think he did a good job", ">My claim is that his jokes have the effect of further dehumanising trans people in the eyes of his audience. That dehumanisation is what leads to violence by making it okay to cause harm (emotional and psychological at first).\n\nYeah I disagree. First he didn't dehumanize. He made humorous observations that were not about the worth of the group.\n\n> Whether or not an EMT give's your son's friend first aid might come down to who get's elected in your state; \n\nAny examples of state officials excluding anyone in the LGBTQ et al community from basic emergency medical care? \n\nWords matter with context. And the context is that of a comedian. D.L. Hughley jokes about black people not paying their bills, does that lead to some mortgage lender not giving someone a home loan? No. \n\nA comedian isn't a politician. Comedians represent entertainment. Politicians represent their human constituents. \n\nA comedian's context is different. His words in that context aren't the source of any harm. And even if some whack job did do what you described that's their own moral failing. \n\nPeople go and drink at a bar. Most don't try to drive home drunk. But a few do? Should we stop having bars because 2 of the 300 people did something dumb? No. We don't cancel the bartender because some people took it to far. \n\nWe don't restrict freedom of expression that doesn't represent a clear and present threat because somebody might interpret it in a stupid way.\n\nI listened to Biden campaign \"for the soul of the country\" I didn't interpret that as the other side have no souls and are less than human. \n\nIf anybody left the closer thinking LGBTQ et al community is less than human, that's on them not Dave.", "But that's the thing. People who have been cancelled and faced serious lasting consequences for their behavior, have either generally done something pretty awful, or have done enough damage to their employer's brand image that it's not worth keeping them around. We need to not forget that these are celebrities. They sell a product, and part of their product is who they are as a person. We don't owe them anything. They serve at our pleasure, not the other way around. We don't owe them our money, and if we choose not to continue to pay them to produce comedy stand-up specials forever, that's not something we've \"taken\" from them. That's simply their failure to thrive in the free marketplace of ideas. \n\nI like old Chapelle. I don't want Netflix to spend money on new Chapelle, who is just going to spend all of his time ranting about how unpopular he is on the internet for his questionable opinions. Old Chapelle feels like he was speaking from a place of truth, but he doesn't come across that way anymore. He sounds like an old dude that is seeing society change around him and it makes him uncomfortable. \"These kids with their genders these days, am I right?\"", "Cry more.", "She did also say that some people were being criticized for saying \"Sex is real\". They were harassing someone on the basis of their gender identity, actually, but JKR isn't really opposed to being dishonest on the whole subject.", "Lol - isn’t this thread all about how Chappelle is being threatened with “cancellation”? I guess he must also suck. \n\nAnyway, I even watched the White House press correspondent dinner performance again today, it was awesome, she eviscerated the republicans.", "Have you seen Douglas? I get that Nanette isn't for everyone, but she's a good comedian when she's trying to be.", "It's really, absurdly disingenuous to claim that Daphne killed herself because people talked shit about her supporting Dave on twitter.", "Maybe it was awesome, but she was the only one laughing. It just wasn’t that funny.\n\nWas she cancelled? Maybe she just sucks as a performer and is better behind the scenes writing jokes for others to deliver better.", "Lmao you clearly have no idea how anti-Asian hate works if you think \"my wife is Asian\" is a good out.", "Ok maybe the 90s was a bit too early. I really meant around 2005 when he quit.", "That's fine, and as mature, rational adults we can respectively disagree on an issue without feeling like we are causing emotional trauma and not needing to harass the person's job or family. I still value you as a decent human being.", "Are they really both bad, when you think about it? Mozart wrote symphonies better than old men when he was 10. Is it not possible that an 18 year old is mature enough to handle dating anyone they want?", "It was never about cancel culture, you just don't like trans people", "Oh look, we have some kind of principled third worldist on our hands. No, it's not a \"problem of the rich\". Go fuck yourself.", "The difference is the library didn't publish, produce, and promote the books", "Yeah. I guess they haven’t figured out the way to hurt him is to just not watch him. As it is they are giving him free publicity.", "what's the correct way to express dissent?", "Nah, I watched it again today, lots of people were laughing, but lots of people weren’t - because the people she was attacking were literally individuals, in powerful positions, and many were in the room or worked with the people in the room. It’s politics. \n\nChappelle is not funny, idc what anyone says. I can literally watch an entire special and not crack a smile. It’s not even that he’s offensive, Michelle is bloody offensive, but she’s funny - Dave is predictable. White people, white women especially, the cops, the “good” gays who know their place, and hair trigger trans women who he confuses with people in drag or cosplay. That’s every Dave Chappelle special, right there. Between Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy, that’s all been done, Dave just applies their same jokes to current events and acts like he’s some kind of sage and daring truth teller. Yawn fucking yawn. It’s not daring at all to punch down, literally every bully comic out there does that. Gervais, Louis CK, and Dave Chappelle. \n\nRip on the people in power, to their faces, in their event, while they pay you for it - that takes balls that Dave, Ricky, and Louis don’t have.", "Honestly I wouldn't bother arguing, the parent commenter is a TERF who seems obsessed with trans people and basically only posts about them. \n \nEDIT: If anyone wants the data, https://imgur.com/a/duH6Y5h paints a pretty clear picture of the parent commenter's obsession.", "Lol you’re soooo wrapped up in the idea of cancelation you’re failing to see reality. \n\nHundreds of thousands of people? Where? The few Netflix employees? The vast majority of people don’t give a shit hence his sold out shows and increased viewership. You’re worried about (an actual) thousands of people, to include keyboard warriors, you’re absolutely failing to see the millions of people supporting him. \n\nReally, pull yourself out of whatever toxic pits you choose to dwell in and look around at the real world. This big cancel culture monster that keeps you awake at night isn’t real and more people have been held accountable for their actions than people who have been disingenuously taken down. \n\nLol, and it’s me who fails to see the issue. Again, you’re worried about a few people while the vast majority don’t care or have moved on. Keep licking them boots, bud.", "Yeah it takes balls. \n\nDoesn’t mean that alone makes it funny. \n\nIt just wasn’t funny. But it was the best the White House correspondent’s dinner could get at the time. And she wasn’t funny. She was so bad, she is still the last “comedian” to be on there since.", "Talented comedians haven't \"told jokes\" since long before Bob Hope died, honey. How old ARE you?! 60? 70?\n\nRichard Pryor, Chris Rock, Sarah Silverman, Hannah Gadsby, John Mulaney, Niki Glaser, Bo Burnham, George Carlin, Jerry Seinfeld . . . none of these highly successful comedians \"tell jokes\", because that's not what people want to hear anymore, or they wouldn't pay to see them.\n\nAnd, btw, I'd be willing to bet that Netflix's bottom line is now, and will continue to be, a helluva lot bigger than yours, even if their talent doesn't \"tell jokes\" like it was the 50's and they were on The Ed Sullivan Show.", "Just don’t watch it", "Im not even 40, and he's not even in the same league as those names you mentioned. He sucks.", "Millions of people supporting him doesn’t detract from the fact that thousands of people are trying to tear him down - you’re STILL not getting it.\n\nThe capital insurrection was unsuccessful, so why talk about it?\n\nMost political assassinations are unsuccessful, so why talk about it?\n\nWhy even have attempted murder as a crime, since the result is apparently all that matters to you?\n\nThis isn’t rocket science - I don’t care if it’s only one person doing it, that one person would still deserve to be ridiculed. It’s a matter of principle", "Don’t pretend this is about criticism and boycotts. This is about canceling.", "That just means you aren’t very caught up in the news lol. Hitchcock story was at the height of the #MeToo movement in 2016. It definitely tarnished his legacy, even though his work is widely studied and still acclaimed. For example, there’s a literary journal called The Alfred Hitchcock mystery magazine. They would feature his face on every cover, but they stopped in 2016. Additionally he is dead, so there is nothing to “cancel.” The James Franco thing was also huge during the MeToo movement. He hasn’t been in a single big movie since the LA Times dropped their article in 2018. Seth Rogen himself said he would never work with him again. He’s been dealing with this shit in civil court as well. Michael Jackson is also dead, so there isn’t anything to cancel. There have been several documentaries of his alleged child abuse and a huge controversy about it. So idk what you’re talking about", ">Millions of people supporting him doesn’t detract from the fact that thousands of people are trying to tear him down\n\nYes, it actually does. That’s kind of the point of majority/minority influence? I’m not gonna say that all white people are white supremacists because white supremacists are white. You are generalizing perceived and unfulfilled actions based on a hypothetical “what if this happened to Chappelle.” Nothing has happened other than positive gains. This is what they like to call, marketing. More free the better. \n\n>The capital insurrection was unsuccessful, so why talk about it?\n>Most political assassinations are unsuccessful, so why talk about it?\n>Why even have attempted murder as a crime, since the result is apparently all that matters to you?\n\nWell, considering those are crimes with legal definitions and there is defined due process that is exactly what the legal system is for. What is your point? Nothing we’ve discussed is a legal matter so your argument is literally a straw man and disingenuous. \n\n>This isn’t rocket science - I don’t care if it’s only one person doing it, that one person would still deserve to be ridiculed. It’s a matter of principle\n\nMatter of principle? Gonna prove me right about high-horsing or crusading even more? What sense of protection do you owe a 7-figure comedian? Come on, man. Tell me you lick boots without actually saying it.", "What if I watched it not knowing if I'd like it or not, and didn't? Would that be a scenario where I'd be allowed to criticize it?", "Interesting that you bring up white supremacy because they are minority that effects very little, therefore we shouldn’t talk about them right? What’s a few racists compared to millions of tolerant people? Anyone who talks about racism as an issue is just marketing I guess", "I'm not talking about the specific position he's taking so much as his \"fuck your feelings\" attitude, his \"I have friends who are trans, and they think my jokes are hilarious\" excuses, and his \"I refuse to listen to any of my critics\" response. How is someone going to grow and come to a better understanding of his fellow human beings with an attitude like that?", "You can do whatever you want lol", "So what's he's experiencing is very much like what racists experience when they expose themselves? Can't say I disagree.", "Oh, so context doesn’t matter to you?\n\nI used white supremacy as an example of sub-culture, but we talk about them because of the legal threat they pose as the minority. Please see January 6, FBI declared terrorist organizations, and previous events of general law breaking. The people who walked out of Netflix aren’t a legal threat. \n\nAgain, you’re making disingenuous points through straw men. Chappelle complaining about being canceled while experiencing the exact opposite, is in fact marketing. He’s got people like you all riled up, at his defensive for saying some shitty shit. \n\nBill Burr has said gay slurs but why isn’t he canceled? Why isn’t every comedian pre-2019 cancelled? Oh yeah, because they said some shitty stuff, recognized it, apologized, and refined their comedy. Chappelle is literally complaining about something that hasn’t happened to him, and is selling out shows. \n\nAre those boots salty?", "Well, good. What I wanna do is say fuck Dave Chappelle for all this garbage.", "Netflix offered HIM all that money, not any of the other people I named. \n\nAll of the comedians I listed have the same, exact style as Dave - observational humor. And currently, I don't think that any of them are quite as successful as Dave is, especially if one is using monetary remuneration as a measurement of such.", "They're correct, though could have been better worded. An establishment doesn't tally patrons and hold polls regarding potential talent. They look out into the zeitgeist and make decisions as best they can based on what they hear about said talent. It doesn't matter if the people complaining aren't necessarily the ones going to said establishment; but in all cases everyone, including Chappelle, is exercising their freedom of speech and NO ONES freedom of speech is being curtailed.", "But there is an obvious attempt to TRY and curtail it. I don't even see how this is debatable, there are literal articles about this. It's a segment of the market attempting warfare on another segment, and they are using blatant falsehoods to try and do so.\n\nI am glad Dave is on the winning side on this, because I have heard what he has to say and I don't agree with the people on this thread, but it's clear there are people who simply don't want other people to even have the option of hear what he has to say, and they are the bad guys from my point of view. I am glad they are failing.\n\ne: Also, I saw Dave live recently, packed house. The people trying to suppress the rest of us from seeing it at specific locations clearly don't live in all those locations, and that was the point. Don't act like people don't have phones, internet connections and the ability to lie, it makes you look foolish, not me.", "The mental gymnastics here are stunning, lol. \n\nIf you would just admit that you were personally offended by the special and that’s why you’re looking for reasons to hate on Chapelle you would have saved yourself several walls of text. Peace ✌️", ">The mental gymnastics here are stunning, lol.\n\nI know, how do you do it?\n\n>If you would just admit that you were personally offended by the special and that’s why you’re looking for reasons to hate on Chapelle you would have saved yourself several walls of text. Peace ✌️\n\nAgain, I don’t care what he said. Instead of just growing up and realizing you have no idea what you’re talking about, you try to make a claim based off nothing. You either big dumb or big mad. Your choice, bro.", "Is it good or bad that millions of people now know what a TERF is? I'm completely lost.\n\nEdit: Did TERFs decide on that name themselves? Just curious.", "\"Free speech for me but not for you\" is what you're going with, then, eh?", "Haha I don't know why people are downvoting you but I will give you credit for that one.", "Interesting you say that. So is Dave Chappelle anti-trans, or is he just making jokes?", "No matter what side of this debate we fall on, can't we all agree at least that being a comedian would suck these days?", "It's something that used to be enabled by default on reddit. but they redesigned the website so it's not visible by default anymore. you have to go to old.reddit.com and enable \"controversial cross\" in preferences. Then you can see [this icon](https://i.imgur.com/JN8PN4s.png) appear above certain comments. The red cross icon means that comments have a high amount of downvotes and a high amount of upvotes, so their score might appear low, but in actuality a lot of people have engaged with the comment and people's opinion is divided on it. \n \nAnd what's even crazier is... the website used to tell you the exact amount of upvotes and downvotes each comment and submission had received. Then the powers that be removed that as well........", "And it continues.", "I laughed my ass off, so goes to show humour is subjective.", "Being treated equally isn't being \"coddled\" guy, that's just being treated equally.", "I am aware of that yea, that's precisely what I was remarking on :p", "You are not being unequally, it's an academic discussion.", "The guy literally posted \"Universities are not places of friendship\" which speaks to some deep seated personal trauma, I think", "That's what TERFs believe mate, that's why that part was in parentheses. The term stands for trans exclusionary radical feminists.", "Oh I get it, you're an asshole.", "Plate tectonics wasn't a fully accepted theory until the 60s\n\nGuess its not real, too new. You can't be fundamentally changing our understanding of the earth like that in the 60s. They knew everything about geology by then!", "Literally the same argument can be made for the people criticising gender ideology.", "Yeah, it is subjective. Her bit was so funny she hasn’t been more popular ever since.", "Well the fact of the matter here is that all these people are telling on themselves. \n\nThey aren't defending Dave because they think it was just innocent jokes and think everyone needs to \"take a joke\" \n\nNo they fundamentally are opposed to trans people and Dave is a vector for them to oppose trans people.", "I mean maybe but she also just fundamentally denied transwomen's overall existence, so", "Can't argue your point without personal insults? Shame.", "That’s the way getting cancelled by the right works. Check out the Dixie chicks. Super talented musicians and songwriters, objectively, but mouths too big to suit the smooth brains.", "bigot: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person\n\nBelieving that trans women are men doesn't mean you strongly and unfairly dislike this person because of their identity.\n\nYou can believe that trans gender isn't real and be completely respectful to them.", "> Kathleen Stock\n\nFrom Wikipedia: She edited Philosophers on Music: Experience, Meaning, and Work (first edition 2007), and together with Katherine Thomson-Jones, she edited New Waves in Aesthetics (2008).[2] In her monograph Only Imagine: Fiction, Interpretation and Imagination (2017)\n\nOh yeah she's all up in the sciences.", "Here's a excerpt about her publishing history from Wikipedia: \n\n>From Wikipedia: She edited Philosophers on Music: Experience, Meaning, and Work (first edition 2007), and together with Katherine Thomson-Jones, she edited New Waves in Aesthetics (2008).[2] In her monograph Only Imagine: Fiction, Interpretation and Imagination (2017)\n\nOh yeah she's all up in the sciences.", "I heard that he said \"At some point, you dont need to be funny, just interesting\", I think this is what he is doing... just remain interesting, he knows that he doesn't need to Murder^(tm.) in every standup he does, unfortunately not everyone thinks that the way to go.", "Sexual Objectification. Analysis, 2015, 75 (2): 191–195.\n\nMaterial Girls: Why Reality Matters for Feminism (Fleet, 2021).", "he got away.. but it has fucked other people... Louis CK for example, I understand the fight.. and a lot of comedians are behind dave but want the same response from companies to protect all comedians", "You can't be out there saying you don't believe in trans people and have everyone trust you that you're going to treat your trans students equally and fairly.\n\nIn the comment chain you're replying to, I say it would be different if this was actually her field of study and she was doing some kind of research -- but it's not, and she isn't.", "Feminism isn't a scientific issue?", "You haven’t argued yours. I’ll ask again how are comedians not philosophers", "I love how all the mental gymnastics are tracing back to \"he acknowledged reality\".\n\nUnless you agree completely that gender can be changed with no requirements and no limit then you are \"transphobic\". That's just good science 🤣", "Material Girls presents a timely and opinionated critique of the culturally influential theory that we each have an inner feeling about our sex called a gender identity, and that this feeling is more socially significant than our actual biological sex. It makes a clear and humane feminist case for retaining the ability to discuss material reality about biological sex in a range of important contexts, including women-only spaces and resources, healthcare, epidemiology, political organization and data collection. It will investigate the intellectual history of gender identity, showing how the concept is linked to a misguided philosophical picture which broadly rejects science and conflates facts about intersex people with facts about trans people. Material Girls concludes with a positive vision for the future, of collaboration between feminists and trans activists, detailing how they could work together to achieve some of their political aims. \n\nhttps://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/54646323-material-girls", "Absolutely not. Because Mozart was born in the 1750s and died in the 1790s. In an era of human history where the average life span was about 30 years old. Now it’s about 73. Where you pulled your weight on the farm at age 6 or your family would starve over the winter. \n\n18 year olds don’t know shit. The only people who think they do are other 18 year olds.\n\nAnd Mozart was a goddamn prodigy. You can’t compare the Einstein’s of history to McNamara’s Morons dying in a rice patty on the other side of the world for a lie. \n\nIt’s either purposefully disingenuous or just lazily misinformed.", "Try harder", "TERFs have a fairly specific and explicitly transphobic ideology. They split with other feminist groups because of this. Dave said he was on their team. Dave is on the side of transphobes.\n\nNo stammering, no gymnastics. An overt statement of his ideological alignment.\n\nIf you think the transphobes are right, just come out and say it. This whole playing coy with the \"well what did he say really anyway\" is tiresome.", "Cry harder", "Then the players should be held to a higher standard. Those other things are bad too, but you don't get a pass on being a piece of shit simply because somebody else is worse.", "So you're arguing Kaepernick wasn't canceled or was? I don't know if you read my comment...", "He obviously doesn't get a pass, but does the punishment fit the crime in any of these situations? If a guy makes a couple of dumb comments in private, send him to sensitivity training, don't ruin his life's work. Those comments hurt absolutely no one. No one was even offended until someone decided to rat the guy out.", "If it is subjective, how can it be overrated?", "Because I think other people rate him too high? Like you can think he's the best. I think he's meh. I think you're overrating him.", "Hold on, are you saying that her show, “The Break” which with a rating of 5.8/10 (IMDB) was cancelled because of her Trump-era White House correspondents dinner and not due to low viewership being on the same Netflix that Chapelle is on?\n\nAre your facts subjective too?", ">rat the guy out\n\nShowing that you know he did something wrong but want to pass the blame to the person who noticed it and held him accountable. \n\nYou say he will never coach again but that has yet to be proven. Most people who have \"lost a career\" over accountability--sorry, cAnCel CuLtUrE--eventually go on to do other things. I'm willing to bet that in a couple years max he'll be back.\n\nYou know who doesn't get in trouble for stupid shit? People who don't do stupid shit. Crazy, right?", "So you're saying I'm wrong then, and at the same time saying comedy is subjective.", "Which is basically the definition of \"cancelled.\" At the heart of this, his point is, \"What I've done isn't controversial, and the outrage you're seeing is misplaced/incorrect/manufactured\". \n\nThat's not me agreeing, just pointing out what \"They're trying to cancel me\" is shorthand for.", "Kinda of pathetic to see a 34 year old man doing what edgy teenagers did on 4chan decades ago. I can't tell if its more sad or pathetic .", "Yes. That's what subjective means...\n\nI think you're wrong and you think I am.", "I mean that doesn’t even make sense. They didn’t even pick him up. He’s not entitled to contracts and companies aren’t obligated to deal with people with huge baggages. \n\nJust because you didn’t get a job after an interview does not mean you were cancelled.", "I understand it because people are born black, they aren't born transgender as much as people might argue they are. Transgender is a choice someone makes when they actively take steps to change to what they want to be. People will argue this, but it is a fact. No black person ever had to question if they are black or not or come out to someone about being black. They don't need to see a plastic surgeon to be black. They don't have to take medication to change themselves to be black. They are born that way and then someone who does all these things to change themselves expects the entire world to accept it or else they are assholes apparently. Not everyone has to agree with your decisions as much as they think everyone should go along with it. That is the part that frustrates me.", "I don't know - I'm not him. I think he's mostly joking, but every joke has a grain of truth - it's simply exaggerated for comedic value.", "> He’s not entitled to contracts and companies aren’t obligated to deal with people with huge baggages. \n\nHe's not claiming he's entitled to contracts and companies; he's claiming that this outrage is fake and it's the reason offers he received were rescinded. \n\n>Just because you didn’t get a job after an interview does not mean you were cancelled.\n\nHe didn't say \"why didn't X offer me a contract, I feel I deserve one\" (Which would be him acting entitled), he's saying \"X DID offer me a contract, they only pulled it because of this BS outrage which isn't real, and I don't appreciate it\".\n\nI can't tell if you're not getting this or arguing in bad faith. \n\nAgain, I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with Chapelle's take, just explaining it, as you seem to continue to miss the point.", "I'm saying that isn't a real thing. Companies don't do business with people who are controversial or have bad publicity all the time, that's why there's often a morality clause for celebs. That's not cancel culture and has been the case for a century.", "AND CHAPELLE IS SAYING HE KNOWS THAT, AND THAT FACT HAS BEEN WEAPONIZED AGAINST HIM. IN CHAPELLE'S MIND, THE CONTROVERSY IS NOT REAL AND IT'S BEING MANUFACTURED FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF DENYING HIM OPPORTUNITIES DUE TO \"COMPANIES NOT DOING BUSINESS WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE CONTROVERSIAL OR HAVE BAD PUBLICITY\".\n\nI APOLOGIZE FOR THE CAPS, I'M HAVING TROUBLE EXPRESSING THE POINT ANY OTHER WAY IT SEEMS.", "So it's not cancel culture, we're in agreement?", "No, we are not. You're either incapable of understanding or purposefully trolling. Good luck in the rest of your life.", "So if someone disagrees with you, invent a demeaning term like TERF in order to generalize and belittle their beliefs, then use that to lump any & all disagreement under one umbrella term ... sounds like a winning strategy!\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>This whole playing coy with the \"well what did he say really anyway\" is tiresome. \n\nThis is cult language. How can any adult write this with 0 self-awareness?", "It's disingenuous and destructive to your argument to compare TERFs with nazis. All that shows us is that you think they're the same level of evil, which a lot of people probably do.", "Literally any discussion involving trans people and biological sex. Lots of them are on Reddit.", "So you're just being a dipshit and making shit up, good to know", "What’s your source that they do not?\n\nI’ve had these arguments with people many times, so I’m pretty sure they exist.", "Are you dumb?\n\nYou can't prove something doesn't happen that's a logical fallacy.\n\nAlso you made the claim the burden of proof is on you, you absolute fanny.", "Sure you can. You could actually ask a bunch of trans activists whether they think trans women are biologically female. If none of them say that, then it would be evidence that they don’t hold that opinion. \n\nI have, and mostly I hear them say that yes they are. That’s my evidence that the opinion exists.", "BLM marches are much more common than pride marches. Yes, I'm not black but I'm not trans either.", "This, but unironically.", "I'm not lumping anyone in with anything. Dave chose to say he was on team TERF.\n\n\nNot all transphobes are TERFs. TERFs are a specific branch of radical feminists who rejected transgender people as legitimate women. They saw trans women as an attempt by the patriarchy to intrude in women's only spaces. JK Rowling promoted a bunch of feminists who held these beliefs, and was embroiled in controversy as a result.\n\nIf Dave didn't say he was on team TERF, I wouldn't say he was on team TERF.", "I agree with this. Most of the other points I don’t but I can get behind this. Whether you agree with his opinion on things is immaterial; it’s comedy and designed to entertain people. He’s a super funny dude so fuck all the woke haters and just do your thing dude.", "He purposely did material he knew would be controversial and make people upset. Then he surprise pikachu face when companies don't want to work with people who stir up controversy. That's not cancel culture, that's capitalism.", "So anecdotal evidence, that's not how life works my man.\n\nEven if I was to believe a human willingly spent time with you nevermind answering such a strange question, it has literally no bearing on anything unless you asked a few hundred thousand people at which point it would more than likely be a study which you could link interestingly.\n\nAlso you didn't have to prove the opinion exists, sure people are wrong, there's people that think the earth is flat, doesn't have a bearing on facts. What you actually had to prove is a \"not-insignificant number of years and rights activists absolutely do dispute the idea that sex is real\" because we both know it's bullshit and you made it up for attention", ">Mob justice is a subset of free speech and free association, this doesn't contradict what I said. \n\nLOL. Mob justice. \n\nIt's just free speech by people you hate.\n\n>If the religious-right were condemning him, nobody would be giving a fuck\n\nSomebody would.\n\n>but when the left starts mobbing people for heresy - suddenly, \"it's not a big deal, it's just free association\".\n\nIt is free association no matter how much you hate the people who are freely associating.\n\n>It's one thing for an individual to stop consuming Dave's media on some principle. It's another to try your hardest to prevent anyone else from consuming Dave's media.\n\nPeople have the freedom to do both no matter how much you hate them.\n\n>The first is free association, the second is very much anti-free speech (an illiberal position often found on the left these days).\n\nThey are exercising their free speech. \n\n>I want to hear what Dave has to say, you don't get to stop him from saying it or from me hearing it.\n\nyou go right ahead and hear whatever he says. Nobody is stopping you.", "Are you really this dumb?", "Anecdotal evidence is fine for telling an anecdote. \n\nI’m saying that I have seen a lot of trans activists insist that trans women are biologically female. That’s my anecdote. Are you arguing that I have not seen that? I did not try and quantify it. But now that I’m thinking about it, I don’t know if I’ve seen anyone who would label themselves a “trans rights activist” say anything other than “trans women are biologically female.” Almost tautological at this point. \n\nIt’s not a strange question. You thinking it’s a strange question is part of the issue—that it’s framed as a question we should not even ask. \n\nYou really need this to be a whole academic research paper? \n\nExactly—people do think the earth is flat. Do you really need to go find evidence that people think the earth is flat? No—it’s common knowledge. \n\nIt’s common knowledge that in trans rights activism circles, many people will insist that trans women are biologically female. Like seriously just go look. Go look at r/transgender, r/actuallesbians, or r/LGBT. I would be shocked to find a thread talking about biological sex in those subreddits where people are not insisting that trans women are biologically female.", ">Why are you so sensitive you’re afraid of me just describing what they are doing? \n\nWhy are you so sensitive to them exercising their rights?\n\n>It’s almost like you’re afraid of being critiqued... why do you think my critique is silencing anyone?\n\nno. It certainly didn't silence me. It did amuse me a little though. Not enough to laugh or anything like that. Just mild amusement.", "\"You guys?\" There's not some secret society here. I'm just a person who is trying to explain to you Chappelle's views on the issue, since you and obviously many others didn't seem to understand the observation he was making.", ">Like, no, within a broader system bad actors can do things that deserve criticism.\n\nBut not celebrities right? Chappelle is not supposed to be criticised for lying in order to propagate vile talking points right?", ">mis-quoting is just annoying and defeats the point. However summarising is a different thing. But I don't know the details of this exact case.\n\nI just told you what happened. I just told you it was a quote, not a summary. The ACLU posted a picture of RBG and put her quote next to it, but with brackets around the word woman and some other word put in its place. You will find it easily if you google it.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Avoiding the correct word is stupid but again context is important. I find medical journals often use words that seem clumsy but you could say the same about a mathematics journal but the exact words often carry exact meanings. Are you the target audience of the material that is offending you?\n\nYou seem to be missing what the motivation is for the language change. The language isn't chosen because it's \"better\" or \"more precise\". It's because a small group of people have loudly proclaimed that words like \"woman\", \"man\", \"male\" and \"female\" are offensive. And no, it's not the target audience who is offended. It's not the readers of the Lancet who want \"female\" changed to \"bodies with vaginas\". \n\n&#x200B;\n\n>This feels a poor example. Not all families are 'conventional' and caregiver is not a terrible word, even primary caregiver if you really need more precision.\n\nWe can add in other types of families/caregivers, but instead we choose to subtract. The act of giving birth, and the things that follow from it are instead being hidden by weird, vague language. A woman now doesn't breastfeed, she 'chestfeeds'. She is not a mother, she is a \"birthing person\".\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>I'd still worry about people being prejudice more that the odd bit of overzealousness by people who in all honesty are probably a bit confused and over-compensating.\n\nAnd I worry more about climate change than language use. But we're talking about language right now, not prejudice.", "A boycott is when you refuse to give attention or participate with someone/something you don't agree with.\n\nA boycott is NOT refusing to let anyone participate, who may have different beliefs than you and may not agree with your decisions. You can certainly try to convince others to boycott, but you can't refuse to let someone exist; THAT is cancel culture\n\nThis is the very important distinction that you fail to understand.", "> Why are you so sensitive to them exercising their rights?\n\nI don't think I said anything that makes me appear \"sensitive\". I think a lot of things are immoral and I disagree with them. \n\nI called you sensitive because you started accusing me of all these wacky things about saying people \"weren't allowed\" to do this or that. It was just weird... just like your last comment... you can try and be a troll but you're really bad at it.", "Ah schrodinger's comedian.", "It's not them being common that makes them different, it's the response to them that is different (ie. a couple uniformed police directing traffic vs riot police).", "The article you linked is about intersex. Intersex is a huge spectrum, and many of them never even know they are because their difference is purely chromosomal and has no effect on their life. And again, my argument is that the existence of intersex people does not mean people are confused when I say \"female bodies\" instead of \"bodies with vaginas\".\n\nI asked for an example where redheads COULD be excluded by common language, not where they are. And you can't think of any because it's a terrible analogy that doesn't apply to this conversation.", "I'm not saying that TERFs are as bad as nazis. I'm saying they are a hate group and if you align yourselves with them people will rightly assume that you hate trans people, just like if you aligned with a racist organization people will assume you are racist.", "If they only know it from Chapelle? Really bad, because he completely misrepresented them. They're huge bigots. And yes they decided on the name themselves, that's why it includes calling them \"feminists\". In reality though, TERFs very often work directly with alt right misogynists in order to keep trans people down. As a result many argue they are not at all feminists.", "> \"Bodies with vaginas\" specifies cis women, types of intersex people, pre-op trans men, and post-op trans women. It doesn't describe female sexed individuals\n\nThat was not the intention of the person who used that phrase. They meant females as a biological/physical package, and were not solely referring to the actual vagina. The paper said: “Historically, the anatomy and physiology of bodies with vaginas have been neglected.”\n\nThe topic does not include trans women, and it may or may not include trans men and intersex people whose bodies are primarily female.\n\nOr maybe your interpretation is right. Really the only way to know is to read the whole article and then maybe ask the author. \n\nVery confusing, isn't it? If only there was already a word to describe a concept what the author was talking about.", ">Netflix had senior staff walk out and dozens of people protesting outside of the building in addition to hundreds of thousands of people online\n\nhundreds of thousands protesting online? Hahaha\n\nI think this is the sort of thing Chappelle would love, but to be honest I'm skeptical.\n\n>Right now, you're just trying to discredit whatever I'm saying for whatever reason\n\nTo be honest I'm sick of people being swept up into nonsense like defending a millionaire from the few people attacking him - 100 people from a multi billion dollar company that also paid him tens of millions, and what his fans perceive to be \"hundreds of thousands\" online.\n\n>I'm not looking to get into some 10IQ brawl over what is or isn't significant backlash and what is or isn't social outcry or just groups of protestors\n\nI just wanted to know what groups were actively trying to bring him down as you kept mentioning it - but it seems that you're referring to whatever his own PR machine spews out.", "Yes, and you're continuing to evade arguments and questions. Funny how that works.", ">..... responding to criticism and defending yourself are no no way a failure to \"cope\".\n\nDo you find it strange that he doesn't do what literally every other person does and releases a statement - instead he's used this to fuel his stand up content?\n\n>Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.\n\nDo you think the only way he could address this is by ignoring what his critics have been saying and turning this in to a \"I'm trying to get cancelled!\" rant on a stage?", "See why it's disingenuous to pretend that you give even half a shit about these issues? You make sweeping accusations based on practically nothing, but as soon as it turns into an actual debate where you have to defend what you're saying, you have nothing to say.", "Sorry mate, never watched the show, and I’m not an entertainment industry analyst like you clearly are, but I know what I find funny. I don’t find Dave funny, he’s boring as all fuck.\n\nBut if she can take it without bitching to everyone about being cancelled, wtf is Dave - and you - whinging about? He has to make a special announcement in front of an audience to tell people why he’s so great and we should all find him funny? Weak as FUCK. Enjoy your fandom, I’ll be laughing while he goes down in flames - not at him, but at all you neo con fan bois defending him on Reddit.", "So you say she’s cancelled but can’t say how she’s cancelled. Probably a good idea to have informed opinions if you’re going to bother typing them out unless you relish showing how uninformed you are.", "Yes, of course I fail to understand a non-existent distinction. This seems to be something that only exists in your head. I assume that's what allows you to hold your ridiculous opinion.\n\nThe core reason for a boycott is to get the other party to stop doing something bad. Otherwise, it's just called \"not buying stuff\". A boycott can, and almost always does, include a component where the aggrieved party tries to convince others to follow suit. Obviously, if you feel strongly about something, you will want to tell others. Especially if you are trying to apply pressure.\n\nPlease provide a source where someone is \"refusing to let anyone participate\". First, nobody but the CEO of Netflix is capable of refusing to let Dave participate in Netflix, and he supports Dave. But even if he didn't, there's no Constitutional right to have a Netflix special.\n\nAnd it's pretty rich that you think anyone is \"refus[ing] to let someone exist\" where Dave is the victim. Dave and his TERFy pals are literally trying to define trans people out of existence.", "You're an idiot", "If getting fired at work after being accused of misconduct is cancel culture, then \"cancel culture\" started in like, 6,000 BC in Mesopotamia", "You're an idiot.", "Well of course it's from Chappelle. Who else talks about fucking TERFs? Haha \n\nIn all seriousness though, I definitely got the impression they were huge bigots. There's no other logical reason for them to exist.", "Okay how about this - find me one bit, that went on for longer than say five minutes, which wasn't about trans people.", "That's...the point. Conservatives have championed \"the free market\" for decades. \"That's just the free market working!\" has been the rallying cry for everything...\n\nNow when the free market rears its head its all whining:\n\n\"No not like that!!\"", "It's because they have vastly different structures. One is celebrating gay pride, the other is protesting an oppressive police force that kills black people. Not that it's incorrect, but it is more antagonistic and tonally negative because of the nature of the subject.", "Oh geez I just can’t understand why Clifford the Big Red N**** won’t shut up about cancel culture. Maybe the trans community can ‘whip’ him back into shape?", "Whatcha want to know. My memory is a little fuzzy but I can remember most of it. I remember part of his routine where he talks about the little hangers for socks. On a different weekend I did get to meet Brad Garrett. Funny and witty mf. And a good tipper as I was bartending at a different bar and he would come in after his gig", "Dave Chappelle is not a conservative, and neither am I.", "I don't know any trans people, myself included, who liked this at all", "No idea what that has to do with my comment. \n\nMy point is...\"cancel culture\" is just what conservatives have always called the free market. Companies can choose how they want to run their business and maximize profit...which usually means not aligning themselves with scandal or individuals perceived as injurious to their brand.\n\nThat's it. That's cancel culture and it's been happening for a very long time.\n\nFor the record I also am not conservative and believe the \"free market\" doesn't exist, certainly not now at least.", "A boycott is designed to get the other party to stop doing something bad. However, imagine I decide to boycott you because I think you're a fucking idiot. If I'm wrong, then you are still well supported by others. I don't get to go to your boss and get you fired when things don't work out my way. \n\nYour hyperbole about trying to define trans people out of existence shows how naive you are.", "> \"You guys?\"\n\nYou guy in the context of the people who have debated more or sent me a message about this subject. Not you guy as in secret mole people.", "K", "I specifically said she was criticized, but not harassed. Is criticism the same as bullying to you?", "Not really, but I'm sure that sounded smart in your head.", "“They” in this instance would refer to whatever group Chapelle perceives as trying to silence him. If he believes he is under attack, it only makes sense to defend himself. \n\nAgain, the statement I see over and over that’s really bothering me is “how can you complain about censorship when you still have a large platform?” and the answer is, if you don’t try to stop people from deplatforming you while you still have a platform… then you won’t have a platform.\n\nTo me it feels like asking “how can you complain about the angry mob outside your house, when you have a working security alarm?” By the time the alarm goes off, it’s gonna be too late. \n\n It’s fine if you don’t think there are any people trying to silence him, all that matters is that he thinks his platform is being threatened. If anyone feels they are being threatened with censorship, it’s only natural to draw attention to it/fight back.", "Attempt to sue viacom for the money he didn't receive after his breach of contract.", "nobody is pearl clutching about 18 year olds fucking or advocating sending 18 year olds to war. The creepy part is the 38 year old you doofus.", "Yeah the multi-millionaire stand up comedian getting paid millions of dollars to perform another comedy special on the earth’s largest streaming service is really worried about being deplatformed. /s\nHe made a shitty special where half of it was an unfunny transphobic rant and now he’s trying to defect by whining about cancel culture.", "Yea no sorry but being an oppressor does not involve standing against jokes that belittle your identity. \n\nThat's like saying black people are oppressors for canceling people who did black face. \n\nAlso you're falling into the weird trap of conflating people not liking you for garbage opinions as being oppressed. \n\nI've seen it from conservative gays who claim that the lgbt community is the most opressive and intolerant because no one likes them after they disclose they are conservative. It's like sorry but neither you nor your views are entitled to be liked. You probably spouted off some self hating non sense and your lgbt friends just didn't want to associate with you. \n\nI also seriously doubt any of chapelles conjecture about Daphnes death is even remotely true", "Why is it so unreasonable to think that someone would fear having their speech silenced? Why assume that his response is somehow not genuine? \n\nYou really can’t think of any examples of someone with wealth/fame being deplatformed?", "You're right, TERFs are notoriously transphobic.", "I really am. Your semantic argument doesn't track as he did in fact make larger claims about the trans experience in both. \n\nBut thanks for playing - dumbass", "> I don't want Netflix to spend money on new Chapelle, who is just going to spend all of his time ranting about how unpopular he is on the internet for his questionable opinions.\n\nThen don't watch him. If enough people don't watch him, then the market will play out as it should, to discourage him from being supported by it in the future.\n\nPutting your thumb on the scale by pressuring Netflix to take his work down, even IF the market is profitable because of interest by the public, is not normal market behavior, it's censorship. The difference between censorship and market failure is that market failure happens entirely through lack of bottom-up support. Censorship however is the removal of services that are otherwise well-supported by the market purely for ideological concerns. And that is exactly what people here are advocating for.", "She was harassed online. Are you condoning such behavior? If I or anyone gatherers a mob of hundreds or thousands to hound and \"criticize\" you online, is that respectable and civilized behavior? It's not even in the realm of proper discourse anymore. Such a thing is neither debate nor criticism. \n\nJust an online mob, bullying people to suicide. \n\nYou are so tilted and ideologically possessed that you think it's OK to bully people to suicide for having wrong views. \n\n\nReally go fuck yourself you fucking wretched excuse of a human being.", "I just looked into it and it looks like the article was intending to include groups of trans people and intersex people, notably ones that menstruate. So the intent was generally there but they clearly also took issue with their wording as they retracted the article.\n\nHowever, despite the poor wording, differentiating between AFAB/female anatomy is incredibly valid if you are specifically talking about people who menstruate. For example, some women do not menustrate, some trans men also stop menstruating, and intersex people can experience menstruation. Definitely poor wording in this case, but the differentiation exist for a reason, and they tried to be distinct for a reason.", "For a guy who doesn't care, you've sure replied a lot of times.\n\nI note you still haven't substantiated your bullshit claims, and are now flailing into the wind with ad hominem nonsense in an effort to distract from the fact you've been objectively proven wrong.\n\nYou either lied or you have the reading comprehension skills of a foreign child. Which is it?", "So your complaint is I commented something too long to read?", "None that I'm aware of. But I put it to you, what violence or actions were spawned by humor at the expense of black people? Cite me a case where someone watched Chappelle show, then went out and committed violence against black people because of one of his many, many jokes about them. Or women. Or Asian people. \n\nYou're avoiding the question. I put it to you that if its your argument (and I know its a different person but you appear to be in agreement with them) that the LGBTQ community should never be made fun of, because it creates a more difficult environment for them, then who can you make fun of?\n\nIs it your serious position that from now on, only white people are allowed to be mocked ?! That women, blacks, short people, the Irish, people with a limp, Libras or any other bloody minority are a protected species, never to be the subject of humor at their expense ever again!?\n\nIs this seriously a position you support?", "It doesn't matter to me what conservatives think. This isn't about them. Conservatives aren't debating about the merits of censorship in the market in a reddit thread here. Left-wing people are. And left-wing people appear to be holding clear double-standards about the importance of a free market when it suits them. I don't accept that hypocrisy.", "That isn't an answer. I asked you a very specific and clear question, you've dodged it entirely.\n\nI'm not making an argument that the alphabet people aren't subjected to more bigotry than the average white cis dude. That is self evident.\n\nI'm asking you directly whether you think it appropriate that stand up comedy be effectively banned tomorrow. I ask you again, is it your position that all minority groups be exempt from humor at their expense? That only white males be subject to mockery and all other groups protected, with jokes about them banned?\n\nBecause that sure sounds like what you're pushing for here. Hopefully I'm wrong, and you'll be able to provide me with an explanation for why I'm wrong, and a list of minorities that you'd find acceptable to be the subject of humor at their expense.\n\nBecause the alternative is lunacy.\n\nIs that what you are advocating for here?", "Twitter is one of many ways that companies interact with their customers and society at large. \"Pressuring\" Netflix to not fund a particular work isn't some transaction that happens outside of normal market behavior - it IS normal market behavior. It's a company's job to evaluate the market and make decisions in its own interest. \n\nPeople on Twitter are calling Chapelle out. It's Netflix's job to decide whether the upsides of continuing to provide a platform to him outweigh the downsides. Netflix knows how Twitter works. If they think it will be a net loss to continue to host him and decide not to, that's not censorship, that's a rational response to market incentives.", ">Definitely poor wording in this case, but the differentiation exist for a reason, and they tried to be distinct for a reason.\n\nYes, they chose the words for a reason. And the reason was not to be more accurate or clear. In fact, they were willing to be LESS CLEAR because it fit their agenda. And this is not an isolated incident.\n\n>\r \nHowever, despite the poor wording, differentiating between AFAB/female anatomy is incredibly valid if you are specifically talking about people who menstruate. For example, some women do not menustrate, some trans men also stop menstruating,\r\n\nThere is nothing wrong with saying female when you're writing about how the medical field has failed to pay attention to menstruation. In fact, it is the most clear, accurate and informative word to use. Female refers to the body only, not the mind/gender identity.\n\nThe lack of clarity is also not the only concern. This article explains why people object to terms like \"bodies with vaginas\". [https://nypost.com/2021/09/28/the-lancet-ripped-for-calling-women-bodies-with-vaginas/](https://nypost.com/2021/09/28/the-lancet-ripped-for-calling-women-bodies-with-vaginas/)\n\nOne of the quotes from the article: “This framing makes it sound like a coincidence that ‘bodies with vaginas’ have been neglected by medicine, as if it were not the product of a discrimination and oppression specific to the female sex.” She added that “medical misogyny… exists — and refusing to acknowledge women perpetuates it.”", "Because none of us said that \"this is the last time I'm going to talk about this\" on a stage full of thousands of people before this one...?", "It’s unreasonable because he is LITERALLY getting paid millions of dollars to be on the largest streaming platform on planet earth. His speech is not being “silenced”. That’s a lame ass excuse to deflect from his abhorrent, unfunny transphobia and your dumb ass is eating it up.", "[Here](https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/) it is.", "Not really. Subjective means that you are entitled to dislike the show. Saying somebody else is wrong for liking said show is just being pretentious.", "She said some shit which isn’t as bad as what a whole herd of people have posted during the pandemic. It sparked Twitter outrage and made the hashtag #FireGinaCarano trend. Lucasfilm canned her for it.", "Yeah fired after #FireGinaCarano started trending.", "None of what you’ve said is a reason that someone wouldn’t have a fear of being silenced. Netflix contracts don’t last forever, and his ability to earn more money in the future relies on his continuing to have a platform. It’s absolutely ridiculous to suggest that someone is immune to being silenced simply because they currently have fame and wealth. \n\nAnyway, no sense trying to further this discussion if you’re just gonna be a dick.", "Uh huh. Obviously I reply only because I care deeply about what you think of me. Anyway, hope your veins dont pop, good luck with that.", "Calling himself team terf, and that bit about gender being fact and everyone therefore having been birthed through a woman’s legs (I suppose failing to draw the distinction between gender and biological sex isn’t bigoted on its own, it’s just incorrect. But, the conclusions he incorrectly draws from that missed distinction will tend toward bigotry). Either way, both are denying the womanhood of trans women, which is bigoted.", "Yikes, you really are salty about being proven wrong. Do you always carry on like this when you're caught talking shit?\n\nI wonder how long he'll keep replying? \n\nFascinating.", "No use in discussing this at all because you’re a dumbass.", ">\"Pressuring\" Netflix to not fund a particular work isn't some transaction that happens outside of normal market behavior - it IS normal market behavior. It's a company's job to evaluate the market and make decisions in its own interest.\n\nNo, normal market behavior is you either buy or you don't. You don't get to try to prevent other people from buying a product you don't like. Boycotts are personal affairs; you don't get to impose them on others.\n\nSuccess in the free market should be based on whether there is demand for a product, not on whether the product does or does not offend the sensibilities of the influential and powerful.\n\nAnd don't try to tell me who here does or doesn't have power. If one's group can pressure corporations to rule in their favor, even when consumer demand is still present, you are the powerful. This is no different than the fundamentalist christian offended sensibilities of decades past and their quashing of free market interests.", ">Except maybe right wing conservatives who've become dependent upon this strawman to rally troglodytes like you to their cause.\n\nYou couldn't hold a rational conversation, so you've descended into name calling. That's disappointing.\n\nAlso, \"right wing conservatives\" is so far off it's not funny. You assume everyone on the internet is a white American man, don't you?", "Hey that's cool, how did you do that?\n\nAlso I'm not a TERF, that word is a slur. And if I'm obsessed with anything on this account, it's women's rights. According to your image I've posted less than 100 comments, that's hardly obsessive.", "No, the other user described it aptly, you wrote an essay on a message board in a thread that will be irrelevant tomorrow on a topic nobody cares about. What a waste of time.", "Conservatives are the only ones whining about \"cancel culture\"...so yeah, this is about the hypocrisy of conservatives not liking the free market biting them in the ass after using it as their go-to answer for the last few decades.", "You say terf more than trans and post to radfem and multiple InAction subreddits. Say what you want but you seem absolutely obsessed by this fake perceived threat you've created. TERF is only a slur to terfs, to normal people it's a word that literally describes what kind of asshole you are. To me it seems like you created a terf alt account because you were too ashamed to share your real feelings on your main account in case anyone found out what a bigot you are.", ">Conservatives are the only ones whining about \"cancel culture\"\n\nIs Chapelle a conservative?\n\nI don't like it, and I'm not a conservative. I was against it in my youth when it was the Christians doing it, and I'm against it now when another group is doing it. There are people with a reasonable objection here that aren't just engaged in hypocrisy.", ">You say terf more than trans and post to radfem and multiple InAction subreddits.\n\nAnd? Saying the word means I am one? Most of it is talking about the Chappelle special. TERF is used so frequently and so willy nilly I don't even know what beliefs you're trying to tell me I have.\n\nCan you point to things I've said that are bigoted and tell me how it is bigoted? I don't want to be a bigot.\n\nAnd also, I actually want to know how to make one of those account summaries. How did you do it?", "Cancelling is when people want to decide what others do and don’t get to hear based on their own personal opinions or beliefs, and that’s incredibly dangerous to free speech. \n\nChapelle’s stand up has a score of 96% on Rotten Tomatoes. That means people overwhelmingly like it. They want to hear it. That’s not indicative of people tired of listening to him. Yet there is a whole movement of people staging protests and walkouts to have it removed. If you want to be on the same side of history as the Nazis who held book burnings to stop people from hearing what they didn’t agree with, then good for you.", "This is was a piece of art. As time traverses during his special. We start to understand some of the more uncomfortable stories and jokes presented early on in his special (Clifford the big black ngger and the Aliens that once lived in the location they have come back to inhabit). Clearly this talks about modern black oppression and Palestinian oppression. The space Jews story is clearly about people that were oppressed and found it the way to be successful. The story referring to his friend Daphne is referring to the fact you may not understand what someone’s going through but you can still be on there side. In addition he points out how dangerous this fragility towards jokes can be. He does point out the success of the LGBTQ+ community, does he say they should be dragged down? It lead to Daphene’s taking of her own life. The response to this has more than proven his point. Why is the response to cancel and not to have a conversation. Me personally, don’t understand a lot of what trans people go through. However I really am interested to understand. That is done through conversation.", "So your position is that it's a total coincidence that a trans woman whose comedy dreams were just coming true until she was bullied for a week straight by her fellow trans on Twitter and then 8mmediately killed herself and it is a total mystery?\n\nThe wish is the father of the thought.", "I have no idea what Chappelle is...it's not germane to my point about Conservatives overall. Conservatives whine about getting cancelled or cancel culture overall, incessantly.", "> Can you point to things I've said that are bigoted and tell me how it is bigoted? \n \nNo, I'm not obligated to be your therapist, that's actually why I deleted my original response to your message is because I realized there was no way I could reach you or change your mind. \n \nYou clearly feel very strongly about this issue though given that it's basically the only thing you post about. I'd really encourage you to explore these feelings in therapy, but I'm going to block you now as I don't owe you my energy.", "Yup. Beautiful 18 year olds or kindergartners. All same to you.", "I think the context of the discussion implies there is a correlation between the rise in Cancel Culture and the frequency of the situation I gave with my friend. Apologies if that wasn't conveyed. \n\nI'd also still appreciate if you can give me your interpretation of Cancel Culture.", "You seem to have jumped to the conclusion that my summery of Dave Chappelle's stand-up was my own opinion.", ">Do you find it strange that he doesn't do what literally every other person does and releases a statement - instead he's used this to fuel his stand up content?\n\n.... no, I don't find that strange. It's his medium. Why would he \"release a statement\" when he has a stage already? That makes no sense. THAT would be strange.\n\nHe's not ignoring what his critics are saying. He is doing more than pleading \"help, I'm being canceled\". YOU are the one ignoring the content of his words.", "While I disagree with her stance and a lot of what was written, I still don’t think it’s transphobic. But I can also see why people would. Belief is like that though, people have very different opinions.", "Mentally? Yeah they are about as attractive to me, which is to say none. Its hyperbolic simile, a literary device I employed.", "I mean... do you not see how associating trans women with perverted men is even the least bit degrading?", "I do see how that can feel degrading, but I don’t think that’s the intent. That’s her belief.", "Yeah, and her belief validates other transphobes by mainstreaming those ideas.\n\nAnd it doesn't just feel degrading, it is* degrading, because Trans women are women and not men trying to trick people.", "There are sooo many arguments on both sides that are legitimate. I won’t debate that here with you, but I can see the reasoning and logic behind both. I live and let live when it comes to individuals wanting to live how they want/feel. I see your point and opinion, it’s valid, but it is just yours.", "How can you possibly see the logic behind \"trans women are secretly perverts?\"", "Hmm. No one cares, meaning you don't care so no one else should care or you're of the mind that caring about stuff is lame? Either way, looks like I found a non-zero number of people who care about stuff, hence your point is moot", "arguing about this is so pathetic lmao", "So you ignored the part where all the evidence says there were other reasons", "I didn’t see where she said that. I think she’s concerned about those spaces being shared by someone who can just say, “I’m a woman”. I disagree, but I don’t think it’s an unfair opinion.", "How is it not an unfair opinion?", "No, I asked you to confirm that you are excusing the behavior of a lot more than six or seven people just because Daphne also had PTSD and a hard life, as if that somehow makes bullying her fine or something.", "It doesn’t make it fine but it doesnt mean it directly caused her death", "Well, I think she feels the way she’s saying about it. To feel feminine or masculine is one thing. To feel like a woman or a man is entirely different. Of course that’s my opinion. I don’t know if you can know what it’s like to feel like a woman or a man without actually being one. This goes real in depth though, but I can see the argument about not having transgender woman in woman’s spaces. I don’t agree with it, but people are entitled to their opinion and to fight for what they think is right.", "Yeah, like you said, it's a total coincidence. Nothing to see here.", "Wanna know the real kicker? Not only are you still projecting the idea that because you see something a certain way, that must be the reality of the situation (you thing it's lame to argue about, clearly I dont), but you've continued and, I'm guessing will continue to engage in the argument all without a simple relevant retort. So you are doing the thing which in your eyes is lame. And you aren't even putting any thought into your response. Why would you do that to yourself. Lame", "Bro what the fuck are you on about. Her actual real life friends have said its NOT because a few people tweeted at her(and the tweets werent even bad)\n\nIts sick you are trying to use her death to prove some point, and it’s sicker you are ignoring evidence you are wrong. You dont give two shits about her", "I'm not sure what any of that has to do with treating all trans women like perverts. You seem to be dodging by feigning impartiality, so I want you to say it definitively: Do you think it's right for women to assume all trans women are perverts dressed in drag? Especially when there are no known cases of that happening?", "Her friend and roommate who had very different ideas about dave chappelle said she didn't think it was just the bullying which you continue to minimize like a true jackass. \n\nIt's sick that you are pushing this under the rug.", "No, I don’t think it’s right. I don’t think she’s treating all trans woman like perverts though. Maybe I missed it in her essay?", ">I think a lot of things are immoral and I disagree with them.\n\nApparently a lot of people think what Chapelle is doing is immoral and they disagree with them.\n\n>I called you sensitive because you started accusing me of all these wacky things about saying people \"weren't allowed\" to do this or that\n\nI call you sensitive because you think things that are perfectly normal and accepted are immoral. \n\n>you can try and be a troll but you're really bad at it.\n\nyou seem really sensitive and fragile to me. Easily upset and you lash out at the people you hate for no apparent reason.", "Im not having this debate. You have absolutely not a clue what your talking about. Grow up", "You have no integrity.", ">I call you sensitive because you think things that are perfectly normal and accepted are immoral.\n\nI see so Dave Chappelle's speech is not \"normal\" or \"accepted\" because... what you say so...\n\nThe fact that you are this hypocritical is baffling.\n\n>Apparently a lot of people think what Chapelle is doing is immoral and they disagree with them.\n\nHow do you not get this?\n\nThey think Chapelle is immoral and they speak. I think they are immoral and I speak. There is nothing inconsistent here. \n\nThe only thing that is happening is your little feelings are getting hurt. \n\nI'm letting others speak and then I'm speaking... you seem intent on demonizing me and trying to attack me and frankly it's hard to make sense of because there is no logic behind it.", "Lol this is all you do, on Reddit, I can see why you like Dave so much. \n\nI have my opinion, and your opinion is that my opinion is dumb. My opinion is that Dave is not funny, and Michelle is funny as hell. It’s really hard to repair your career after you’ve been cancelled, look at Louis CK, look at the Dixie Chicks. I don’t come here though to feed your need to “win”, as far as I’m concerned you really should talk to a therapist about your relationship with your dad instead. I came here to make the point that Dave just simply isn’t funny, and it’d be great if actually talented comedians, ones who are funny but still offensive because they punch up instead of down, weren’t canceled.\n\nBy extension, my opinion also covers my belief that Dave and all of his fans, such as you, are a bunch of entitled crybabies. Same kind of people butthurt over the latter Star Wars movies. Cry. Babies.", "> When you throw open the doors of bathrooms and changing rooms to any man who believes or feels he’s a woman – and, as I’ve said, gender confirmation certificates may now be granted without any need for surgery or hormones – then you open the door to any and all men who wish to come inside. That is the simple truth.\n\nQuoted directly from the essay. She clearly draws a link between trans women and men dressing up as a woman to gain access to women's spaces without any evidence of that occurring to back it up.\n\nIt's in the essay, and she's written it as the villain of one of her more recent mystery novels.\n\nSo I'll ask you again, because you seem intent on gaslighting and dodging the question: Do you think it's right for women to assume all trans women are perverts dressed in drag? Especially when there are no known cases of that happening?", "Nice story. I still don’t see how Michelle Wolf was cancelled but if it makes you feel better I can say her crap show definitely was cancelled. \n\nFeel better?", "Do you believe mens and woman’s bathrooms should be separate or allow men to use to woman’s bathroom?", "Trans women aren't men, though.\n\nEven then, allow for a third option with gender-neutral bathrooms.", "I’m not asking that.", "But your question is flawed, because it too surmises that Trans women can just be men who could be dressing up as women, when we both know that's not true. Trans women are women.", "Its not a flawed question, I’m asking a simple question. Do you think men should be allowed to use woman’s restrooms?", "Takes like two seconds to skim and respond. Fr bro go outside and touch grass, this is bad for your mental health to be writing this much on Reddit\n\n\nJust a recommendation", "Dude, you can’t make me feel better because I don’t feel bad, and you’re just some troll, so if that’s what you’re trying to do, you can stop. Your argument applies equally validly to Dave. A bunch of people don’t find him funny, and they do find him offensive, and instead of trying, like Michelle did after the White House press correspondent dinner by starting her own show, he’s instead whinging about how people just don’t understand him, and how people don’t have a sense of humour. Nobody is cancelling him, he’s facing consequences for having shitty opinions about other people and voicing them. Cancel culture is a myth, and I hope his career goes straight into the trash so we can have more time talking about comedians who are actually talented, like Michelle, and what happens when people like her challenge those in powerful positions. Not people who already have privilege and success and use it to stamp on people who don’t. Dave can go fuck himself, or you, I don’t care what happens to either of you, but I hope you find it as disappointing as I think you will. Cry babies.", "Why would men want to use women's restroom's though? That's why your question is flawed.", "Omg, it’s a simple question. I didn’t say men wanted to.", "Why would you ask if men should be allowed if you don't think they want to in the first place?\n\nI don't think that's how simple questions work.", "Uh. Ok nevermind. It’s soooo simple you just refuse to answer. Very telling though.", "It's not simple, though, because you've never provided a reason why men would want to go into a women's restroom.\n\n> Very telling though.\n\nPlease pray tell. I'd love to see you making more of these mental gymnastics.", "Ok then, since it’s so difficult for you. Let’s remove gender and sex all together, now men would like to use the woman’s restroom. Would you be cool with it?", "One day you’ll see how wrong you are", "How do we delineate men from women if we're removing sex and gender from it altogether?", "Oof. Parroting the \"go outside, because I have deduced that anyone who writes more than 3 sentences must be a shut-in basement dweller\" trope. Then you top it off with the classic gaslighting attempt. So good.", "Ok, this is just gonna go on and on. I don’t wanna have this whole convo here. But I see your point and see hers as well. She’s entitled to her belief, you to yours, me to mine. All good.", ">YOU are the one ignoring the content of his words.\n\nIs it possible I'm acknowledging them but just disagreeing?", "What is the merit to her belief though? You clearly implied it when you asked if men were allowed in women's spaces.", "She knows that, ask her.", "I'm not asking her, I'm asking you. What is the merit to her beliefs, in your opinion?", "Nice story. Keep on pushing your point that Chappelle isn’t funny and isn’t getting cancelled but Michelle Wolf is funny and was cancelled, even though they were both on Netflix. Tell me how it goes. Seems like you’re her biggest fan! And only one.", "If she doesn’t want men to be in the restroom, though all men aren’t perverts, it’s valid that she wouldn’t like transgender woman.", "But trans women aren't men. They're women.", "wut", "Yes I understand. She believes otherwise.", "And that's transphobic of her to believe. If you believe that's a valid opinion to have, that's on you.", "Ok, it’s on me.", "Cool. Have a nice day, transphobe.", ">I see so Dave Chappelle's speech is not \"normal\" or \"accepted\" because... what you say so...\n\nIt's not normal or accepted because it's deceptive and contains lies. They are carefully crafted lies designed specifically to attack and hurt a particularly vulnerable section of society.\n\n>They think Chapelle is immoral and they speak. I think they are immoral and I speak. There is nothing inconsistent here.\n\nExcept that they are speaking the truth and you are supporting a liar.\n\n>The only thing that is happening is your little feelings are getting hurt.\n\nBut you are the one crying about cancel culture.\n\n>I'm letting others speak and then I'm speaking... you seem intent on demonizing me and trying to attack me and frankly it's hard to make sense of because there is no logic behind it.\n\nKeep crying about cancel culture, be sure to put one of those MAGA hats on your head while you do it, you'll fit into the crowd better that way.", "Thanks!", "Lol.", "If you found that funny, check out Dave Chappelle - The Closer. On Netflix.", "Why are we talking about conservatives when no one here is conservative then? It doesn't matter what conservatives might say about cancel culture. We are discussing cancel culture and we aren't conservative.", "I did, I didn’t find it funny, except to laugh at what a cry baby he is. Same as my lol at you.", "Like I said consequences for ones actions. Doesn't really matter when those actions were. But again nuance is key here as well. Is a five year old tweet representative of that person today? Maybe yes, maybe no. We'll have to take a closer look. Same goes for accusations. Are they legitimate or not? \n\nI'm sure cancel culture in itself is something that can be seen as good. People do shitty things and have to face the consequences for that. Sounds all in all like a good idea. The problem is that most of the outrage it produces is too quick, too shallow. It usually disregards the nuance I talked about. I'd say this is what most people mean, when they hate on cancel culture. Not the canceling itself but the way to deal with certain information.\n\nAlso out of curiosity who did you have in mind with the tweet or the false accusation?", "> Maybe yes, maybe no. We'll have to take a closer look.\n\nThat does not happen with cancel culture. And if you do a proper research then you're not a part of that.\n\nNobody is telling that facing consequences for your actions is bad, canceling culture is when for example: \nA girl says this guy has raped her. \nDude is canceled. \nTurns out, the dude did not infact rape her. \nDude still is canceled.\n\nWe can't know for sure what happend when it starts to become and she-he said situation, usually we wait for a full police investigation before deciding criminalizing the dude for something that he did not even commit. But the internet is usually quick to respond.\n\nMay i present you the case of: \nChris Avellone: \n\\- 2 Girls told people on Twitter that he has raped them. \n\\- He lost some of the jobs he did (like Bloodlines 2). \n\\- 1 Year has passed, he made a tweet long and was seeking legal action against everything. \n\\- Both girls delete all tweets after people found out some lies on them.\n\nhttps://chrisavellone.medium.com/ending-silence-c48e86f7c523 \n[https://chrisavellone.medium.com/its-come-to-this-chris-avellone-2fe5db836746](https://chrisavellone.medium.com/its-come-to-this-chris-avellone-2fe5db836746) \n\n\nAnyway, i think you can understand my point.", "But you do understand that people, those that subscribe to that team, doesn't fit neatly to that definition right? I think this is the core problem here, a lot of people here are not comedy fan at all, some of them didn't even watch the special at all. Dave Chappelle fans know that he's not this hateful guy that you're trying to paint him as.", "That's the bundle of beliefs that commonly define someone as a TERF. Being \"transgender exclusionary\" is in the name. TERFs generally prefer the term gender critical, but it's just a different way of describing the same underlying belief system.\n\nI don't mind risque or black humour. Jam and the other works of Chris Morris (including a socially biting romantic comedy about a suicide bomber) and the movie are some of my favourite pieces of comedy.\n\nThe issue is that a lot of what Dave is saying doesn't read as comedy, it reads as fairly poorly considered social commentary. At best he just didn't bother to look into what being a TERF meant before he declared himself a member of their team.", "Basic bigotry, ofc.", "You know that some people are born in different part of the world ? But us not knowing that guy is enough to make us ignorant about humor I guess.", "I don't remember saying that.", "> They aren't just mindlessly trying to cancel Dave Chapelle\n\nSo you think that \"They are mindfully trying to cancel Dave Chapelle\" sounds any better? It doesn't. \nI don't care how mindful they are in their zealous quest to prevent others from enjoying the content. They can whine all day long about it and I don't give a shit, but when they start slobbering at the thought of literal censorship, that's going too far.\n\nDon't like it, don't watch it and your fee-fees won't be offended. It's that fucking simple.", "You sound like you are just a right wing nut job pretending to care about language use. Your understanding seems low.", "Lol okay, that's not very nice. Oh well, at least you tried to have a thoughtful conversation before jumping to insults. Better luck next time.", "Lol", "Yeah it honestly does lol sorry", "One day you might have the balls to be your own person", ".... No it's not possible because you clearly did not acknowledge them. You said he ignored what his critics say and he didn't. So, you very literally are ignoring the content of his statement.", "Not bigoted at all.", "Yes. But in civil society, we assume the freedom to do what one wants does NOT extend to imposing our will on others. It's built into the concept of freedom. The freedom to swing my fist ALWYAS ends at the tip of your nose. This is a given.\n\nWhich I tried to explain. Freedom doesn't mean license to kill. And freedom doesn't mean license to censor.\n\nYou have the choice to not watch/listen. Telling others they shouldn't right is wrong.", "Please do. Id love to know how your brain deciphers context, to be honest. \n\nAt a certain point you’re adding whatever context you can to make it about what you want to be mad at. He wasn’t directly the woman of the year towards straight people vs gay people. Literally NOWHERE in that joke did he say that.\n\nQuote the entire joke in the entire context you believe that he directed the woman of the year joke as straight versus gay.", "Nowhere did I claim it was about straight vs gay. That’s my entire issue with what you’re saying! Lmao. \n\nYou don’t even know what you’re arguing for or against anymore!\n\nClear as day: DAVES JOKE WAS ABOUT HOW WOMEN SHOULD BE MAD A WHITE MALE WAS ABLE TO WIN WOMEN OF THE YEAR AFTER BEING A WOMAN FOR A YEAR \n\nThere was zero about gay versus straight. He clearly was talking to WOMEN vs MEN. \n\nYou flat out have decided you’re mad. You flat out have decided anyone who says otherwise is wrong. But the facts are clear - you don’t even know what you’re arguing, you clearly don’t know what I’m arguing, and that’s entirely on you for not grasping the information presented. \n\nSo, please… DIRECTLY quote me - where did I say this joke was about straight people?", "This guy is genuinely not sure why he’s mad but he’s mad. He’s clearly parroting opinions. No point in trying, trust me", "Nah,\nAfter you said this\n\n>Nowhere did I claim it was about straight vs gay. \n\nThen edited your post. So you can make a claim you didn't say this or that. At the end of the day, you either didn't watch the film or are dilberly misquoting him, but it doesn't matter I realize you are either a troll or debating in bad faith. So we are done.", "I feel like this only proves your point that the world is insane right now. \nFor some reason there is a trend of taking previously negative terms and using them as positive ones. \nIt's really confusing and frankly, I don't understand how that's supposed to track.", "Did you know that humor is cultural and many times humor from one country does not hit the same in another country? You are dense. Stop acting like some kind of victim.", "I don't understand why you think you have to be a member of a group to discuss that group. I talk about things I'm not a part of all the time...don't you?", "Oh okay, I edited every single one of my other posts to you on the subject as well? Haha. That’s what I thought. You can’t quote me because it’s a bullshit lie. \n\nYou’re aware you can look up Reddit edit history, right? You and I both know I didn’t edit a damn thing. This argument doesn’t even make sense in the scheme of things. If I said that it was straight vs gay, then what are we arguing about in my original response to you about misquoting him?\n\nYou’re what’s wrong with Twitter and you’re what Chappelle is talking about. You’re so convinced of your own moral superiority that you’re sitting here making up bold faced lies that flat out contradict the entire context of our discussion.\n\nYou’re clearly a high school or college kid who parrots buzz words and has no actual interest in reading and comprehending anything, whether it be in this discussion or Chappelles.", "Why is relevant what the conservatives care about here? You keep steering the conversation to be about them when I see no point in bringing them up.", "What did I leave out? You can’t lie and say I edited anything. You can’t lie and say that I didn’t watch it. \n\nShow me what I left out and the context it changed. Very basic fundamental part of entering a statement by a witness in court, so the precedent is there. Oh you can’t because you’re simply making shit up. \n\nHow on earth you can feel you’re helping support a cause by blindly going out and just screaming nonsense", ">You’re aware you can look up Reddit edit history, right? You and I both know I didn’t edit a damn thing.\n\nhttp://imgur.com/a/Mfw7lur\n\nIs this you? You know I know what this marks mean. So you wanna try that again?", ">Very basic fundamental part of entering a statement by a witness in court\n\nYou left out the part where he said straight people should be mad. It was the lead in to the \"joke.\" Idk why you are ignoring that and idk since you just got caught editing your post.", "Ah you restated a common misunderstanding: life expectancy, when ignoring infant mortality, has always been in the 70s.\n\nThe reason life expectancy is going up lately is because of reduced infant mortality. Ben Franklin lived to age 84, and he was born 50 years before Mozart.\n\nMozart was a prodigy, but who is to say that Jerry Seinfeld's girlfriend, when she was 18, wasn't further along than her peers? That was my point. You can't just say 'oh she's 18 she's too young to date a 39 year old'. It's quite possible they were emotionally compatible and she was clear eyed about what they were doing. Just like you can't say \"oh Mozart is only 10, how good could his symphony possibly be?\" Careful not to judge before you have all the facts.\n\nNot to mention 18 years old is old enough to star in adult films. Is there some magic line between 17 and 18 where suddenly someone is mature enough?", "Completely wrong. You didn't watch the special.\n\nThere were tons of other jokes about different topics. Making fun of a ton of other groups, people and things. Only one group had a problem.", "No wonder they ask you to not watch the special. If you do you might form a different opinion", "Hmm? I’m confused. Are you saying she couldn’t be a prodigy unless fucked by someone older than her dad while underage? That’s an odd take. \n\nThe brain isn’t developed until at least 25. That’s just a fact. You can sit there all day and attempt to justify your own attraction to minors but at the end of the day we have laws regarding age in this nation of consent for a reason. And social tropes that explain why most people are disgusted or at least creeped out by that fact. \n\nIt’s fucking creepy for a 40 year old to hang around a high school. End of discussion. Grooming is wrong. It’s predatory. It’s wrong to wait in line behind the school buses when he could have a daughter older than her. \n\nPiss off creep.", "Again, you apparently think you are the arbiter of what a 141-year-old word means, and how boycotting works in practice, so I don't really know how to describe how absolutely stupid that is. But, yes, when you are the public face of a company, people will absolutely go to your boss and complain. It happens for petty shit every day in retail stores, and it happens in the entertainment industry. Sometimes, the boss goes ahead and fires or demotes the person before an explicit boycott is organized, but the underlying mechanism is the same.\n\nAnd it's not hyperbole to say that TERFs are trying to define trans people out of existence. That's exactly what they are doing when they say things like \"biological sex matters\" or \"trans women aren't real women\". It's quite literally defining them out of existence. And from there, they try to push them out of equal access to aspects of society, like public bathrooms and sports. Maybe you can't see that because you are bigoted against trans people, but that doesn't change the how real trans people feel (which is more important than your opinion).", "Because they're the ones driving the whole \"cancel culture\" myth and have been for the last few years. It's a conservative concept.", "How is that relevant ? Even if the premise that humor is often cultural was true, that wouldn't change anything about the fact that undermining the opinion of someone on a subject for not knowing about someone from your culture is bigoted.", "No he didn't, he flat out says \"all the criticism I get is based on an article from 16 years ago\".\n\nHe completely ignores all the other criticism he faces and doesn't acknowledge it at all.\n\nAll while saying he is team TERF and defending JK Rowling and completely misrepresenting what it is she has been criticized for.\n\nHere is a video that talks about JK Rowling, who Dave Chapelle supports: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gDKbT_l2us", "Youtube link to Acasters own youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHqma3rx-xI", "In the same breath as the previous commenter complained about Dave Chappelle bullying, did you use verbally abusive language to defend him?\n\nOr is it okay if one side of the argument is verbally abusive and the other isn't? Cause it's not really bullying if you're that way, it's only if it happens TO you?", "I haven't seen his special, so I don't know his talking points... And even if I take your assertion at face value, it doesn't answer the underlying point, which is your life is going to suck if you rely on other people's speech to determine your happiness.", "Spoken like someone who doesn’t have to deal with hearing dozens of people every day debate your humanity and whether you’re worthy of human rights. Fuck off.", "It's not the tone of voice I'm really that concerned about here, you can say very despicable things with completely \"polite\" language", "It doesn't have to be. Hence why I keep repeating that neither myself nor Dave Chapelle are conservatives. We don't have to agree with anything else conservatives say to agree with criticism of cancel culture.", "You're obviously confused.\n\nI'm saying, like mozart, a young person can be mature enough to do things better than adults can.\n\nMany adults struggle with having successful relationships. \n\nAge is not as important as temperament, intellect, maturity, etc., and an 18 year old can have all of those things that some adults take decades to obtain.\n\nYou assuming Jerry Seinfeld groomed a young woman is just that - an assumption. You think it's creepy, neither she nor jerry did, and she's an adult. So mind your own business.", "She’s an “adult” now but not when they started. That’s predatory grooming. Quit making lazy justifications for sexual predation. \n\nIf I see someone older than me chasing after my child still living at home and on a school lunch plan I would drop them. \n\nKeep it on 4Chan creepo", "Dude I think you're wrong. That is the inherent nature of subjectivity. We both can hold contradictory ideas about it. \n\nI don't like it and I think people who say he's one of the greats are wrong. You like him and think they they rate him appropriate. \n\nI think it's more pretentious to think no one can think you're wrong, even if they're saying you're entitled to your own opinion still.", "it's not 4chan creepy pedo nonsense. It's called life, get some perspective. They dated for years. Sometimes people click, even at weird ages. If it hasn't happened to you yet, it might, or it might not. Look at the president of France. \n It's not creepy for people to be attracted to each other. Bad relationships can happen between people of the same age, or different ages. Their relationship is not an example of a bad relationship. You're obviously just a jealous loser.", "Does someone who makes jokes about Asians being bad drivers necessarily hate Asians?", "Probably.\n\nIf not hate definitely thinking about them in a negative or demeaning way.", "You sound 100 percent white. Honestly, very few minorities will think like you do.", "What an odd thing to say.\n\nI am not white but you seem to claim that only white people think other people are racist. That's kind of a racist thing to say come to think of it.", "Happily married to someone my own age like a normal person. Keep projecting creep.\n\nThey knew each other in high school. They dated and married 15 years later. Big difference. You know, when they were adults?\n\nHave you been stopped yet or are you still staring at the playground through binoculars?\n\nIt is indeed called “life” and life is full of sad sick fucks.", "Already did. You just want to fight and hurl insults. No thanks.", "You actually know nothing of my life, who am I, or what I've had to deal with. You know absolutely nothing. You are utterly devoid of true information, and you are assuming that I have not had anything remotely as difficult as your life situation is.\n\nI am simply telling you something I have learned: If you are waiting for all of society to change to your view in order to feel happy, you will be waiting a long, long time, and you will not be happy. I'm actually for your success, even though you pissed me off a little bit by being rude as shit. But whatever.\n\nI mean, maybe you'll make it work? But if you find yourself being unhappy 10 years down the line when society hasn't conformed then consider an alternative approach.", "So I can belittle you, tell you to \"go die\", \"go fuck yourself\" or something and that's not bullying...\n\nRather, my politely expressed opinion is despicable and is actually bullying?", "Got it so 18 year olds are old enough to kill old men, but not fuck them?", "False equivalency is a lazy fallacy. Wanna try again?", "That stuff COULD be bullying, but your \"politely expressed opinion\" really is uncalled for. Not that these are the same thing, but here's an example: I could eloquently and calmly make a case for genocide, in a polite tone of voice, using no swears, but that wouldn't make it it not completely inflammatory and wrong.\n\nYou're not the kind soul you seem to think you are. Don't be so indignant.", "You didn’t you just said you have to go to school and study philosophy to be a philosopher. And this is the internet don’t take things so personally sorry if I hurt your feelings.", "that's not a false equivalency - you're saying that being 18 is old enough to join the army and kill folks, but not fuck them. Where's the lie?", "Actually it’s not something I ever said was okay. I even said way earlier that both were bad. \n\nJust some real lazy flailing on your part.\n\nBut I guess the longer I keep you busy chasing your tail and putting words in my mouth the more time the kids have to get off the playground before you show up.", "But I wasn't advocating for genocide, in fact I was so far from it it's not even a relevant hypothetical.\n\nAnd you know nothing about me, and yet you have already judged that I am \"not a kind soul\"? It takes a lot of arrogance or a lot of hubris to think that you are better than someone else you've never met. I mean think about our interaction. You told me to go fuck myself, and then two comments later told me I wasn't a kind soul, lol. I mean are you reading your own comments?", "My god you are dense as mud.\n\nThink of all the responsibilities we expect 18 year olds to be capable of - voting, joining the army, policing our streets, taking care of seniors....and here you are saying that we should protect 18 year olds only from the sexual aspects of life, but allow them to experience every other aspect? You're an idiot, period. Sex is not some scary weird thing that people should be ashamed of, and sexuality is not some thing you should use to control other people. And young people can have sexual relationships with older people, and it's not weird or creepy. If they both consent, they both consent. Deal with it, weirdo.", "I didn't say you were advocating for genocide, take another look at this:\n\n> Not that these are the same thing\n\nI was giving an extreme example to illustrate that tone of voice has nothing to do with if what you're saying is ok or not.\n\nStop playing the victim here. It's embarrassing. I'm not in control of what other people do so if you use that as an excuse to hate on trans people, again, go fuck yourself. I meant it. I'm being kind to myself by standing up for myself.", "> I'm actually for your success\n\nYou have a really funny way of showing it. Stick to r/conservative", "Are you a trans person? If not, then you can shut the fuck up already, because your opinion also doesn't matter.\n\nAgain, your retarded understanding of the word boycott is not what the word actually means. You are adding meaning to the word that doesn't exist.\n\nBiological sex in many cases does matter, especially when it comes to trans women trying to dominate biological women in things like sports and exploit their biologic advantages.\n\nThis discussion is over. It's funny how I used to think it was right wing people who were dumb. Until I met people like you.", "Oh look, you get angry and insult me when you're wrong. This discussion is over because you've shown that you can't handle it.", "Yawn. So damn lazy and transparent. Trying to shift the goalposts to a new argument that wasn’t ever on the table. \n\nWe were talking about actually underage kids still in school. Remember? Being taken advantage of by men older than their fathers. \n\nSexuality or modesty was never on the table. Legal relationships was never on the table. Responsibilities and privileges of 18 year olds was never on the table. A 39 year old grooming a 17 year old still on a lunch money program was. It’s creepy and wrong and almost everyone would agree you rock-eating Epstein. \n\nGet off your fake high horse and defend the actual argument in front of you or piss off with the fake moral outrage over a completely different topic.", "How about this - what is it that I said that was \"not okay\", and why was it not okay?\n\nAnd for the record: I'm not your enemy, I don't hate you, I'm not against you because I have different beliefs than you. Your community does this thing where because they think what I believe is different and wrong, they construe it as a personal attack. It is not a personal attack. I am not advocating for your eradication or whatever you think, for you to be bullied or mistreated.", "I am rooting for the success of those who suffer, and that includes trans people. I simply do not agree with the system of treatment that it is in vogue. I'm 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure it will be looked at in the same way we view how people with mental health issues were treated in the 1800s.", "I hope one day they discover a cure for whatever is wrong with you.", "Your whole original post a) implying that it's a \"problem of the rich\" who just have too much time on their hands, and b) \"I don't think things are going to go well for trans people if they keep taking offense to jokes\" is condescending, dismissive, and blaming us for whatever abuse we get.", "Okay, so what kind of abuse do you get? Tell me so that I understand.", "Still waiting on the cure for addiction to the internet...", "Just one example is going to the store and having some guy follow me around muttering \"filthy fucking transgender or whatever\", having a guy on the bus threaten to beat me for being a f*ggot, etc. And then constantly seeing stuff in media where I'm the butt of the joke just adds insult to injury.", "Everyone agrees: the idea that there is a magic boundary between 17 and 18 is goofy. Obviously we don't want people being abused. But it's equally abusive to tell a 17 year old who understands the world they're in better than folks their own age, and as good as adults, so-called \"old souls\" that their behavior and choices and desires are to be shunned by people like you who think they are the arbiters of sexual morality.\n\nWhy is what Jerry Seinfeld did wrong? What bad things happened? What negative things occurred that have so upset you?", "I don't disagree. However, I believe that word has had its meaning significantly impacted by inappropriate application to mean basically anyone who has a set of fixed physical characteristics and to exclude anyone else who doesn't.", "Lol why are you so upset? You're getting paid to post political shills online", "It gets better man.", "welp, i think you're proven wrong. Dave's rep is doing just fine.", "lol", "Hey friendo. How the Netflix coming? Did Dave get forced to resign yet?" ]	3,091	videos	Dave Chappelle - Addressing the controversy over "The Closer"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywvXV7KnC5s	/r/videos/comments/qfrri2/hopping_on_one_foot_as_long_as_i_can_day_one/	[ "\n\nDay\| Date \| Time (seconds) \| Time (Minutes. seconds)\n---\|---\|----\|----\n1\| Oct 25, 2021 \| 116 \|1.54\n\n\nWhy this: I used to be decently fit, now not so much. Want to become better at jumping one one leg. Gotta have goals and shit. \n\nAm I trying both legs? Not an equal amount. Left knee was injured on a hike. \n\nIs this bad for the hips/legs/whatnot? Hopefully not.\n\nNext goal: 150 seconds\n\nGoal until New Years: 7 minutes (420 seconds)", "Just some advice. Don't hop as long as you can every single day.", "I'll heed that advice - I'd rather be a good walker at 80 than a great hopper at 28", "I hate to say it, but the lack of video most of the way through... well, just didn't do it for me." ]	4	videos	Hopping on one foot as long as I can, Day One. October 25, 2021 - 116 Seconds/1 min, 54 seconds
https://youtu.be/LQ290aGmVFY	/r/videos/comments/qfs33i/dave_chappelle_stunted_addressing_the_controversy/	[ "I love this man. I hope he’s as immune to cancel culture as I think he is.", "I love this guy. Last time I checked, this guys freedom of speech was still protected by the First Amendment, but your little bitch ass feelings weren’t protected by anything.", "Trans Toxicity is real.", "So far Netflix has been standing by him and I'm pretty happy about that", "Dave will be fine most of us are aware of cancel culture he spoke from his heart in his last special but the new herd that is out there do not agree yes it’s sad but to be honest I do not care I my identify as a loaf of wheat bread do you see protesting or my community in an uproar. I’m just not sure what the acronym or letter I fall under.", "He chose Des Moines over Miami? I wanna see it 😭😭😭😭 \nOh well. He’s still the man!", "You do know getting cancelled has nothing to do with the first amendment right? The first amendment is only about protecting you from the government retaliating over things you say. It has no impact on private individuals or organosations", "I'm usually not vitriolic, but the morons in this comment section failing to see the irony in decrying \"cancel culture\" on a video where Dave Chapelle is speaking to a full stadium is setting me off. There should be an alarm sound whenever two of these people start \"thinking\" in close proximity, for fear of the negative space in their heads causing some kind of spatial anomaly.\n\nYou absolute buffoons, no one is threatening Dave Chapelle's freedom of speech. He simply used the platform he earned to spew some dumb, bad takes and so he lost some of the audience and some potential movie distributors. Does any jerkwad redditor here have a spare audience or movie distributor around? No, fuckface, because that's not a right. It isn't included. There's no special \"celebrity\" caste enshrined in law, guaranteeing these things once you make it either. \n\nIronically the floorlickers here are responding more to the Pavlovian reaction of hating a misunderstood concept than the SJWs they decry so much.", "God this guy is such an alloof and calculating clckwomble. Gotta love drumming up reactions posting bullshit about entire groups of people just so he can point and say 'help! Help! I'm being repressed!' his entire trans piece consisted of stripping his 'friends' trans identity from them,inserting false equvalemces and causations, speaking for a dead person with no ability to counter them and then acting like it does no harm. \nIt's truly sad that society just doesn't seem to care.\n\nAlso terfs: for fucks sake stop using dead people to argue positions that they wouldn't have supported and now have no way to defend, you're ruining good people's legacy... First it was Pratchett and now this.", "I'll never understand how people can say that gender is a social construct. It's like the most basic biological construct. If you want to transition and feel you were born in the wrong body I'm not against it. But gender is a fact. Are fucking lizards creating a social construct when they fuck?", "There is a misunderstanding of terminology here I feel, and I totally understand because it can be confusing.\n\nWhen you talk about gender here what you mean is sex. Sex is a fact. Your body is your body. We're talking what your primary and secondary sexual characteristics are, chromosomes etc.\n\nGender identity is our self-perception of sex. When sex and gender identity do not align, you get gender dysphoria. The NHS defines gender dysphoria thusly; 'Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity. This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life.' Sometimes people with gender dysphoria choose to transition or express their gender identity in different ways.\n\nGender roles are characteristics we associate with sex and gender; ideas of masculinity and femininity that can change from era to era and culture to culture. Those are indeed socially constructed and do change. For instance, 70 years ago it was widely accepted that men should be the sole breadwinners in the household and women should stay home, but now that view is less common\n\nI'm trying to be helpful, and I hope it comes across this way; because these conversations so often go to a toxic place online I try to avoid them but I thought you might be interested. I have to go to bed so unfortunately I can't really continue the conversation, but I hope that sheds some light on what people are talking about when they talk about gender identity or gender roles being socially constructed.", "I hope you get the upvotes you deserve, but you won't. This is the best take I've seen on this whole situation thus far.", "This man is one of the funniest people on earth. If you don't like it then just don't listen to him or watch him. Just cuz it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't mean it's okay to shut people off their own opinion.", "> I'll never understand\n\nAs much as I hope the person who replied to you gets through to you, I think this will be more of the truth. You'll never understand because you probably don't want to.", "Well aren't you going to do the same thing? I mean why would you doubt what his friend said? Dave hung out with that person not you. Dave knows that person a lot better than you do. There time together has allowed Dave to conclude what her or his personality was and what they found funny. Maybe you can find their tweets as proof.", "Poor Dave and his Netflix millions. I'm so happy for his struggles. I mean, it doesn't take care of the 14 year old in Iowa who is confused about how they feel, and meant to feel shame, I guess, but those are the sacrifices we need to make.", "> your little bitch ass feelings\n\nSome random on how his bitch ass feelings don't need to be hurt from someone being cancelled. Ironic. Also, not knowing how the First Amendment works.", "Your right, he's not entitled to movie deals and all that and his words can be the reason why he loses those deals but let's be honest, it's not his words that make him lose his deals, it's the reaction of the people that react negatively to his opinion and try to cancel him in any way possible that cause him to lose his movie deals. Since he makes his living of his freedom of speech they are kind of threatening his freedom of speech. You seen the videos, those LGBTQ protesters at Netflix got pretty violent and made some ridiculous demands to shut Dave chappelle's words down. Last I checked that's attacking his speech.", "> There should be an alarm sound whenever two of these people start \"thinking\" in close proximity, for fear of the negative space in their heads interacting with the outside world.\n\nYou just described forcing people you don’t agree with to not interact with the general population…\n\nAnd you can’t see why people think of this as cancel culture.\n\nPretending cancel culture isn’t real because it isn’t batting 1.000 is so disingenuous. The problem is that people are trying it. Sometimes it works on people who cant defend themselves, and sometimes it doesn’t, but you can’t even go one comment without it oozing out of you like an inhuman puss. And then you have the audacity to call everyone else stupid. Sorry, but you’re just an angry petulant child who isn’t getting what they want, so you are trying to pretend that the mob is some sort of underdog. Watching you try to twist a narrative in real time back to you and your ilk being victims again is so sad.\n\nY’all should go back to bullying people who can’t fight back again, and maybe you won’t end up so triggered.", "Freedom of speech is about the government restricting your speech. Saying that a private broadcast company backing away from him because of a reaction by the public, and their viewers is a freedom of speech issue is a fundamental misunderstanding of what the US first amendment means.", "\nu/NdyNdyNdy provided a pretty well written response with the aim to help you understand if you're willing to.\n\nIt's understandable that due to varying up bringings and culture traits, the concept can seem ridiculous and the such but I promise, as someone raised in the Georgia south, it can make sense if you approach it from a place of genuine curiosity. You may not understand now, but you have it in you to be able to if you want to. Cheers.", "There's no hate coming from me. I just think gender is simple. You are male or female. Males shoot their DNA into females and then a new person comes out. I don't have any animosity towards the gay or trans community at all.", "I don't think the argument is over his money. It's about his right to speak as he wants Even if he makes money off it. He's being targeted for speaking his mind.", "I'm literally watching clips from in the heights as a say this", "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech", "Freedom of speech is not the government restricting your speech. I don't know what you're talking about. We don't live in China over here. And what is he saying that can possibly cause such a violent outbreak other than a bunch of people not agreeing with what he's saying and trying to shut him off to prevent him from saying anymore? Do they ask people to go beat up trans people? No. Did he wish death on trans people? No. He just stated an opinion about what he thinks trans is and what gender is. That's his opinion and people love him for it. It's only a small minority of people that are trying to shut him down. But they yell so loud that somehow they tend to get their way because studios fear loud voices. It doesn't help that the media cuts his videos and makes him look worse than he is just so they can spark an outcry.", "You guys have lost your damn mind if you think Netflix removing Dave Chappelle from their network because of viewer backlash is a freedom of speech issue.", "We seem to be getting away from the freedom of speech part.", "Shouldn’t you say Iowa should look at itself ?", "So, your definition is objectively incorrect and I'M the one that's crazy...\n\nYep.", "And? There are consequences for saying what you want. Equally the rights of others. I tend to side with those who express less hate. Funny, how he wants to mention his support from the LGBT+ community. Just like saying, \"I have a black friend and he thinks it's OK if I say the 'n' word.\" \n\nAlso, it's all about money. If Netflix thought that they were going to lose more money than gain, he'd be gone. Netflix knows their audience, which is why they signed Adam Sandler to a billion dollar contract. It's not known for its contemplative audience. \n\nHonestly, whatever, I just think the trans community is low hanging fruit for comedians. There are still enough people that \"just don't get it\" and pretty easy to win over with jokes about them. I know that Dave is a better comedian than that, and it's just pretty weak material. He's getting the reaction he wants though. Nothing is better for a comedian right now than being able to rail about \"cancel culture.\"", "What about the freedom of speech of Netflix, they are not allowed to choose who is on their platform?", "I just needed to name some backwards fuck state. Could be my own of Kentucky. Also, how does a state look at itself? You mean, the people? Well, it starts with comedians they look up to to not go after the marginalized low hanging fruit.", "IMO I think Dave came off in that last special as in we need to look out for each other but he spun it how he does people are way to sensitive how can you not say FU at that level you will never achieve. I know the community is there I’ll stand with them but damn take a step back before you go tactical", "Comedians in the past went after everyone, but no one ever batted an eye. Now the trans community is being targeted by some jokes and now all of a sudden it's not okay? Sure we can fight back using weapons but I found making peace with laughter a far better solution. I've been targeted by racism my whole life especially after 9/11. But instead of getting angry about it I fought back with laughter and jokes. Now we laugh together. Dave knows what it's all about, And so does any other minority group. I don't see why trans people have to get some kind of special treatment just because they're much bigger snowflakes about the situation. And if it was all about the money then all these other companies wouldn't drop Dave Chappelle. There's clearly still a pretty big audience that want to watch them regardless of all this crap. They just don't want to be associated to the bad press that's all. It has nothing to do with money. Netflix just has balls that's all.", "Are we talking about the same thing?", "> Netflix just has balls that's all.\n\nThe most naïve thing I've seen said in awhile. \n\n> Now the trans community is being targeted by some jokes and now all of a sudden it's not okay\n\nIt's not just the trans community. The \"taste\" for jokes has changed, and its up to comedians to keep up with audiences. It used to be a thing to make fun of black people, jews, women, homosexual, you name it, but we've kind of lost our appetite for it all. \n\nI remember being in college and Andrew Dice Clay was at the top. He was selling out stadiums. I listen now and pretty disgusted by it and can't believe I ever thought it was funny. I matured as a person, and ended up like more mature and nuanced comedians. \n\n> why trans people have to get some kind of special treatment just because they're much bigger snowflakes about the situation\n\nYou want to see REAL snowflakes, look at the conservatives raging against Cancel Culture. Holy shit, THOSE are some snowflakes.", "I laughed a lot during his last specials, maybe try something like john oliver or colbert and ignore Chappelle's success?", "Thank you for the feedback. Edited the mentioned phrase.", "Lol The taste for certain comedy has not changed. The fact that Dave Chappelle can still pull those numbers is a testament to that. Not saying Dave hasn't evolved with his jokes but the old way of jokes are still in there. No it's the people of influence and in media that have all of a sudden made it not okay. It's a good way to get clicks off raging trans. You say that Dave is not someone that can make a company money and that's why they're pulling their advertisement or their deals with him yet here he is pulling big numbers on Netflix with people cheering him on and calling him the goat. The only reason why anyone pulls their deals with Dave is because they don't want to be associated but the backlash that's all. Hence why I said Netflix has the balls because they don't care what people say on Twitter because they know that after a few weeks people will forget and continue with their lives like any other b******* that happens in our society. And complaining about cancel culture is a fair and legit argument because it literally happens. Just look at the protesters outside of Netflix wanting them to cut ties with Dave and to remove all of his material. Lol they are trying to destroy his livelihood and his work just because they don't like what he said. Now those are some snowflakes.", "I find it hilarious that you censored your own bullshit.", "The controversy isn't a bug, it's a feature.", "uhhhh, from your own link.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>As a negative right \n> \n>Freedom of speech is usually seen as a negative right.\\[24\\] This means that the government is legally obliged to take no action against the speaker on the basis of the speaker's views, but that no one is obliged to help any speakers publish their views, and no one is required to listen to, agree with, or acknowledge the speaker or the speaker's views.", "I find it funny that was all you could argue. By the way I use Google voice to write. I don't see value in wasting my energy actually typing an argument towards you. Google likes to censor bad words, and I don't care enough as long as you understand what it is which clearly you do. Give yourself a star sticker.", "You weren’t worth much more effort to argue with. It’s obvious you don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about. I only wish Google had censored your entire reply.", "You say that as if people are making the case that you should be obligated to watch Dave Chappelle. Really beating up on that strawman, bro.", "There is no cancel culture", "💀 lmao", "Compared to you right Einstein? But you can keep preaching. Since you like censorship so much, You can do yourself a favor and censor yourself.", "I'm curious how you'd define a male and a female.", "I think this is also a mistake Dave Chappelle made in his special, using gender when he meant sex. Not saying what he said isn't bad or harmful, but that I definitely don't think he's some kind of hateful antitrans bigot, either.", "Fuck, yes!", "Can someone explain to me what he said that was bad in that special?", "> Males shoot their DNA into females and then a new person comes out.\n\nAh yes, this process which we all know is super simple and has no hitches ever happen which is why there aren't multiple vast fields of study and billions of dollars of research into all the weird shit that can happen.", "The two terms do tend to be used quite interchangeably a lot of the time, which does not help people from getting confused!", "He made some jokes about trans people that were not hurtful nor asking anyone to inflict pain on them. He just had his own opinion of what gender is and of course the trans community did not like that. Now they're outside of Netflix demanding Netflix to shut Dave Chappelle down, they're pretty much attacking Dave Chappelle supporters and demanding trans people to be in a higher power in the company to dictate what can be put in their streaming service. They are basically being just a bunch of snowflakes because they can't stand being made fun of a little bit. It's okay if everyone else gets made fun of but not them.", "It seems so odd… I rewatched closer last night and I can’t even find a section which attacks them. He says trans women aren’t capable of birth but that wouldn’t offend anyone would it? He also literally says that he has always been ragging on white bigotry first and foremost. Idk… guess I’m trying to find a part to pinpoint that people might be angry with to try and understand. I wouldn’t assume that the trans community in general is opposed to Dave. Must be a select few", "No I’m pointing out that you calling it objectively incorrect is wrong. The publishers are under no ( freedom of speech) obligation to do business with him to give him a platform to talk. Not doing business with him does not encroach on his freedom of speech. They don’t like what he has to say or are worried about what their customers will think so they don’t want to do business. There is nothing about that that stops him from talking about what ever he wants they just don’t want to listen or publish.", "Trying to frame this as Netflix's customers not wanting to see Dave Chappelle is dishonest at best. Dave has generated a ton of buzz and views with this latest specials and his specials in general. The situation is that a small minority are trying to bully Netflix into caving to their demands. They want to prevent people from hearing Dave, because they know he has a large audience that are not at all turned off by the Closer. In other words, they are actively trying to censor something that others want to listen to.\n\n>Freedom of speech[2] is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction.\n\nFrom the link. You're objectively wrong. Trying to limit freedom of speech as something only the government can take from you does not reflect any definition of the term that has existed since its inception. Threats, manipulation, demands, and any other forms of bullying is a direct attack on the man's free speech, and your attempts to dismiss that because \"nobody wants to hear him\" or because \"he can go somewhere else\" is borderline sociopathic. There is not a medium in which he has tried to speak where the outrage mob hasn't attempted to cancel him. The idea that some people just happened to see a Netflix show and didn't want to support him is again, objectively false. As usual, they are following him wherever he goes, so pretending that this isn't a harassment campaign designed to give him no options to express himself in front of people that genuinely want to hear what he has to say is -- for one final time -- bullshit.", "Really I know nothing about what is going on. I have no idea what Dave has said or done or what netflix has said or done.\n\nWhat I am saying is that netflix has no obligation (from a freedom speech perspective) to publish anything he wants to say. I make no comment about the material at all because honestly I don't know it.\n\nI never said netflix customers don't want to hear him. I said netflix are under no obligation to publish him according to free speech, and that maybe one of the reasons they don't want to is because they are worried what customers would think. I really have no idea, maybe netflix just have a genuine moral objection to some of what he wants to say. Really their reasons are their business and they have every right to curate the material they publish on their platform the way they see fit. just like a newspaper does.\n\nIs anybody gagging him or physically silencing him, arresting him for what he said? Is his material being censored, is he being sanctioned by a government? These are genuine questions, I don't actually know the answer to.\n\nIf they did anybody have an obligation that would set a precedent with a publishing platform would be forced to publish anything that anyone wanted to say. Which as it turns out is quite the opposite, platforms are now becoming very narrow about what they will tolerate and can abide legally." ]	60	videos	Dave Chappelle - Stunted \| Addressing the controversy - YouTube
https://youtu.be/0ivptUKnyeg	/r/videos/comments/qft7wm/taco_bell_grilled_steak_taco_television/	[ "Take me back", "Meh. Give me 2013 on repeat", "They sure don't make em like they used to", "'So I run and I walk cause I cant find my horse to ride there' is part of my personal vernacular that no one ever recognizes", "Just realized TV commercials today are mindless, bland and unoriginal.", "I miss mexican pizzas. Tacobell betrayed me.", "I'd give my left mexinugget for a steak-grilled taco from anywhere but Taco Bell.", "That woman's bra was working hard to keep her tits contained." ]	8	videos	Taco Bell Grilled Steak Taco Television Commercial 2001
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvpLzhJQbdw	/r/videos/comments/qftn7z/how_a_root_cutting_water_jet_clears_blocked_drain/	[ "That’s freakin awesome!", "Yeah I've been watching \"drain addict\" on youtube, the nozzles are quite expensive but definitely a good investment", "Wouldn’t that amount of pressure blow out the pipe wall as well ?", "Roots inside the pipe means it’s already leaking?", "Seems like if it doesn't fully break the pipe walls, it'll further open up the cracks that the roots used to get in.", "Right? If my pipes are old enough to have roots in them this is gonna fuck them up worse.", "Sometimes roots are sneaky \"Drain Addict\" on youtube does this with an inspection camera in the pipe at the same time sometimes and I haven't seen it make any cracks worse it just gets the roots out. A lot cheaper to have the pipe cleared once every ten years in a lot of cases, especially if they run under a concrete foundation or the road etc.", "cheaper sure, it's a temporary fix though, obviously there are cracks/holes for roots to get in and therefore water (more like sewage) is also leaking out into the soil. The proper fix would then be to line the pipe I would imagine that would once again seal it properly.", "Roots can enter through a small crack, then grow larger inside the drain.", "My dad owns and rents a house that my great grandfather had built. My dad is actually a very good landlord. Always available to fix anything, usually on his own. He'll show up at any time of the day or night and happily repair anything. My ex and I rented it from him for about a year. The drain pipes run to the street right under this huge fucking tree in front of the house. The basement would flood every year thanks to the roots of this tree getting into the pipe. I had never heard of this before so I wanted to be home when the plumber came to clear the blockage. Dude pulled out a ball of roots the size of a softball. The roots were about as fine as a human a hair. It was wild.\n\nI asked why the water was always red when the shower would back up and flood. The pipes are so old, they're made of terracotta. My parents ended up paying a few thousand dollars to have the tree cut down, which sucks. It was a beautiful tree, but it was so tall and the branches so wide, it was a danger to the neighbors houses too. My dad has a lathe, so he ended up making tons of wood bowls, and other stuff out of the remains of the tree. Pretty cool.", "I would love a miniature version of this for my sinuses.", "Terra cotta pipe? More like terra notta, cuz it ain't there no more.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47xi2F3W9g&t=4s", "If it can cut through wood can't it cut through PVC too? \n\nDoesn't the root grow back?\n\nAlthough even with the root growing back you could probably get this done every couple of years cheaper than digging up your yard and replacing the pipe.", "Yes! And it happens on old pipes, they explode and you see the ground drop and the fucking rod pipe gets stuck and you either lose your hose or have to dig all the pipe up. This type of device is for big strong ass drainage.", "There is actually more concern with water getting into the sewer system than out of it. Water simply takes the path of lease resistance. Empty-ish pipe vs soil, water chooses pipe. It is a concern for a number of reasons: roots also allow debris into the pipe making clogs more frequent and more difficult to remove, as soil is removed from around the pipe stability is lost (could result it joint separation, pipe collapse, or sinkholes at the ground surface), also, using resources to treat infiltration water is wasteful and costly for the municipality/customer.\n\nYou’re correct though, liming is definitely a better solution than cleaning; however most municipalities that I’ve dealt with require, initial inspection, cleaning, lining/repair, final inspection.", "They have no-dig techniques for lining a pipe basically creating a brand new sewer line inside of an old one. They also have grout/chemical mixes they can inject into the soil from inside of the pipe to fill voids and dissuade roots from growing.", "> Drain Addict\n\nMan, once in awhile I'll find that channel again and spend hours just watching the dude unclog drains.", "The place I was living in a few years ago has the street gas lines replace. The old ones were made of wood and had been in there for over 100 years. I like old houses but you're generally signing up for a lot of additional issues. My current place has no insulation (in the north east) and knob and tube wiring in the attic that apparently nobody in 70 years wanted to mess with, so much so that when they rewired the entire house they just reconnected that old wiring too.", "So most of that infrastructure piping is under streets. Directly accessing it means the time and expense of digging up the street and then fixing that spot once you are done.\n\nFor that and a few other reasons, actually getting physical access and sunlight to the pipe that is buried is usually a last resort.", "> \"Drain Addict\" on youtube\n\naaaannnnnndddddd there goes my fucking morning. Now I'm thinking...I bet I could build out a van like that for a fairly modest investment and just work when I wanted to...", "On a related note to that, I used to work for an A/C company and clogged condensate drain lines were really common. Basically, the A/C works by pulling moisture out of the air, that water has to go somewhere and so there is usually a primary drain that hooks into the house's drain lines in one of the sinks. If that is clogged, it goes to the secondary drain which is positioned to drip right in front of a window or door so that you see it dripping and wonder why your house is dripping.\n\nThese are 3/4\" PVC lines that are SUPPOSED to primed and glued at every joint. One of the ways you can clear a clog is called a Gallo Gun. It's basically just a nozzle with a CO2 cartridge. You pull the trigger which punctures the CO2 and sends that high pressure gas screaming through the lines.\n\nWell if the clog is well lodged and the install was shitty, one of those joints that is somewhere in your house is going to explode or just rocket off. The water is going to stop dripping from the secondary so everyone is going to assume the primary is now draining normally when in reality it's just making a pool of water on the drywall somewhere in your house. You'll discover it in anywhere from a few days to a week and by then it's gonna be a lot of drywall damage.", "It's the angle of attack that matters. Most of the force is deflected forward and only a minute amount is absorbed by the pipe. Also the same reason why all the tank domes are sloped.", "Living in older houses is absolutely a um…experience lol.", "On his website he charges a flat rate of $300 for any clogged drain no matter how long it takes, and no charge if they can't unclog it" ]	26	videos	How a root cutting water jet clears blocked drain pipes
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qftpw0/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qftpw0/deleted_by_user/	[ "You know what weirds me out is how this guy starts talking before he's even done chewing his food.", "This'll set off some conspiracy theorists.", "I highly doubt it, the population growth will stop and actually decline world-wide, lab-meat is already being produced and will only get cheaper/easier with more competition, it makes no sense to eat bugs if technology can find a replacement.", "Anyone here eaten bugs? Do you get bits of shell stuck in your teeth?", "Why are his hands so small?", "Tried crickets a few times. Super nutty and tasty. Didn’t get anything stuck in my gums like popcorn, but the exoskeleton def tends to stick to your teeth like spinach. So just a quick rinse afterwards and you’re golden", "Interesting. I thing the tarantula was the most appealing to me, but in my quick search they're like $10 each so . . .", "i was thinking the same thing. though id be interested in trying the mac and cheese as well", "That one was a bit weird to me, because bugs in food, but that's just my bias. For some reason it's less weird to eat just a bug, than it is to eat something with bugs in it. They looked pretty good though." ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Yb8CK_lqe9o&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qftwtk/are_cheap_boots_better_timberland_carhartt/	[ "[Cheap boots are not better](https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/72745-the-reason-that-the-rich-were-so-rich-vimes-reasoned)", "Was expecting project farm from the title. Not disappointed.", "If I'm not required to wear steel toes, I'm wearing waterproof hiking boots.", "I generally agree with that. I've worked in so many different facilities over the years that it's just easier to wear steel toed boots in my everyday life than it is to own multiple sets of footwear.", "I think this is the first video of his that I've actually sat down and watched in its entirety.", "Personally I love the way he goes about conducting tests, so I watch most of his new videos even if i don’t need whatever tool he’s talking about", "Most of them seem fairly ridiculous. This one was the only one that seemed to have any real value to me." ]	8	videos	Are “CHEAP” Boots Better? Timberland, Carhartt, Caterpillar, Keen, Wolverine, Irish Setter, Skechers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww47bR86wSc&ab_channel=Sprouts	/r/videos/comments/qfu3p6/bonhoeffers_theory_of_stupidity/	[ "Hmmm...this seems accurate-ish but woefully incomplete. Also, \"stupid\" doesn't seem a good descriptor (perhaps something lost in translation from German ?).\n\nTo me it seems more like this: Many (most ?) people have an innate need for meaning, purpose, and belonging. Many find it in religion, business, politics, charity work, etc. Most times, this is put to good use. \n\nSometimes, however, it goes off the rails, and this purpose and meaning supports ends that are authoritarian and much worse. For those that are true believers, the behaviors are exactly like those in the video...but its the \"why\" that is important. its not so much that people are stupid (though that is true often enough) its that they've adopted a kind of religion, and to question it means questioning their basic view of themselves.\n\nThis recent TAL episode sticks with me:\n\n[https://www.thisamericanlife.org/748/the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it](https://www.thisamericanlife.org/748/the-end-of-the-world-as-we-know-it)\n\nWhether you believe in AGW is irrelevant...the father in the family started out with good intentions, but in the end became a monster to his own family.\n\nOne can see examples all around us now, but of course if I were to mention one, there would be an endless debate about which side is \"stupid\".", "I'd argue that convincing people reality is something other than what it is, is making someone stupid. That's exactly what religion does.", "I think also what is a problem is that we are social animals and we NEED to be around other people that accept us. \nIf the majority of your peers or people that are important all believe in one thing it becomes very difficult to disagree openly. \nIf you always disagree with things that people say then you will be socially ostracised and rejected , you maybe right but you will be treated as if you are an idiot and will live a lonely and sad life knowing your right in some cases. \n\n\nideally we all want people who are heroes that always say what is right and always stick up for the good but if they insufferable and always causing trouble for us its more likely we will shun them. \nI think there has been studies that show that whistle-blowers often regret their actions even if they are right because it ruins their lives .", "> Also, \"stupid\" doesn't seem a good descriptor (perhaps something lost in translation from German ?).\n \nNope, the German word Bonhoeffer used was \"Dummheit\" which literally would translate to \"dumbness\", basically the same thing.", "A lot of things besides religion can and do have that same outcome. So it’s not so much religion, as it is zealotry and carrying the belief to the point of forcing everyone else to follow it and persecution on non believers.", "Too bad. I think that leaves the whole concept incomplete. To look at the Nazi movement and just say “they were dumbasses” doesn’t explain why something could happen and frankly underestimates it’s potential for depravity and evil.", "Oh my god yes.", "Did you watch the video? It answers all the points you raised, chiefly that stupidity is not intellectual but behavioral. It even touches on your point about religion.\n\nTL;DW stupidity is not a lack of intellectual prowess but the reiteration of talking points.", "Yep watched it, and get all that. I guess that’s why I thought “stupidity” was a poor word choice, as everyone associates that word with intellectual ability. I don’t recall him going in to the “why” in the video, maybe I missed it, but it seems there is a lot more to it than recitation of talking points, rather thats the defense mechanism once one is already “converted”.", "I wish the video would touch on how emotions make people stupid. Namely fear and anger. In fact the more intelligent a person is the more elaborate the lies they will tell themselves to convince them of an untruth. \n\nPeople just need to take a step back from themselves, understand why they're being afraid, angry, and stupid, then work out a solution or an epiphany.", "Stupidity is contagious.", "hmm, I think the concept is looking at things in a broader sense and less towards specific instances. It says in the video is not that stupidity is congenital defect but rather people are made stupid. That process of making someone stupid I think takes many forms but all these forms produce the same result.\n\nThrough propaganda, brainwashing, gaslighting, misinformation and populism these are all different ways. Specific to the Nazi movement if you ask 'why does something like that happen?' well its a bit of a complex answer but if you were to ask a soldier or citizen from back then the response they give wouldn't be about dominating Europe or the holocaust but rather defending themselves from the greater rising threat of bolshevism. They'd say \"we did it for the right reasons, we had no choice, Bolshevik's were a threat to us\".\n\nI don't think it's that evil and depravity produces these situations through their machinations but that great stupidity provides opportunity for evil.", "> frankly underestimates it’s potential for depravity and evil.\n\nI disagree with this strongly. If anything, I think that classifying things as \"depraved\" or \"evil\" is dismissive. \"oh, the Nazis were just evil\" is a surface level and essentially valueless notion, whereas recognizing that good but stupid people can be led to perform heinous acts is more uncomfortable but holds far more value.", "And right now, every side of every argument thinks the other sides are the stupid ones. I think what a lot of these people fail to understand about themselves and their arguments is that I'm the only person who's always right and everyone else is wrong and stupid.", "I guess this is challenging the idea that stupidity is only attributable to intellectual ability but can also include behavioral stupidity.", "Any anti-vaxxers seeing this video will feel totally validated.", "It's just like with being addicted - the more intelligent a person is, the more lies he is able to tell himself to keep his addiction", "True, but you're also only right in so far as you agree with the things I say and believe. I am the standard of rightness, and any deviation from me is a sign of stupidity.", "In the end, if you can't judge your news source than everything is valid (not necessarily objectively true/real) and both sides look valid and symmetric.", "The answer is in evolution. A group of \"stupid\" monkey is far more likely to rally around a cause and far more willing to commit murder and wipe out its rivals than a group \"individual thinker\" monkeys. I bet if a proper expedition to study the warfare between the great apes in the deep jungle would support my hypothesis.", "I think we are talking past each other here. If you scroll up above you can see I am well aware that good/normal/everyday people can be led to do terrible things.\n\nMy point about \"depravity and evil\" was just to describe what those people could stoop to, and using the word \"stupid\" to try to capture that seems insufficient and underplays how bad things could potentially be. Its quite easy to dismiss \"stupid\" as nothing to worry about, unfortunately.", "I guess...not sure thats much of a distinction. It just seems to me that calling the phenomena and people \"stupid\" makes it easy for some to dismiss and not take seriously.", ">*People just need to take a step back from themselves, understand why they're being afraid, angry, and stupid, then work out a solution or an epiphany.\n\nAs a result of the last 5 years (and particularly the last year) I ended up reading an academic anthology this year about conspiracy belief, and this resonates with conclusions I drew from digesting that work. It seems one of the best protections an individual can mount against \"stupidity\" is simply self reflection, and it turns out that a very large proportion of the human population does not have a very well developed habit of self reflection. I think self reflection can be construed as a kind of taking a step back from oneself -- an attempt to evaluate something independent of one's preconceived notions and emotional attachments.", "It is the real pandemic", "I disagree with the wrong things you said. I know they're wrong because I said so. I am right. End of story.\n\nP.S.\nNever wrong = me.", "Yeah perhaps so, but frankly then it’s not really a very remarkable or insightful view of human behavior. It’s no mystery that people are influenced by propaganda etc etc.", "Hmmm, I never thought of it that way... probably because it's the wrong way to think.\n\n>\"Never wrong = me\" \n\nYou're god damn right. ME", "I have a friend who has been influenced by Fox News, watches it for hours a day and anybody who disagrees with him is a \"socialist,\" though he has no sense of what that word means. \n\nThey fill him with such hate and vitriol, we've stopped being friends, because I don't feel like getting berated every time we get together, and I won't let things go. \n\nFox created Trump, and the stupid, the extremeists, now run the Republican Party. Nazis were cartoonish figures as well. But we see how that ended up. If Trump wins in 2024, it's really hard to predict what would happen, but bloodshed is sure to follow in his name.", "[Bonhoeffer's original statement as linked in the video description]\n\n\nTaken from a circular letter, addressing many topics, written to three friends and co-workers in the conspiracy against Hitler, on the tenth anniversary of Hitler’s accession to the chancellorship of Germany…\n\n‘Stupidity is a more dangerous enemy of the good than malice. One may protest against evil; it can be exposed and, if need be, prevented by use of force. Evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion in that it leaves behind in human beings at least a sense of unease. Against stupidity we are defenseless. Neither protests nor the use of force accomplish anything here; reasons fall on deaf ears; facts that contradict one’s prejudgment simply need not be believed- in such moments the stupid person even becomes critical – and when facts are irrefutable they are just pushed aside as inconsequential, as incidental. In all this the stupid person, in contrast to the malicious one, is utterly self-satisfied and, being easily irritated, becomes dangerous by going on the attack. For that reason, greater caution is called for than with a malicious one. Never again will we try to persuade the stupid person with reasons, for it is senseless and dangerous.\n\n‘If we want to know how to get the better of stupidity, we must seek to understand its nature. This much is certain, that it is in essence not an intellectual defect but a human one. There are human beings who are of remarkably agile intellect yet stupid, and others who are intellectually quite dull yet anything but stupid. We discover this to our surprise in particular situations. The impression one gains is not so much that stupidity is a congenital defect, but that, under certain circumstances, people are made stupid or that they allow this to happen to them. We note further that people who have isolated themselves from others or who live in solitude manifest this defect less frequently than individuals or groups of people inclined or condemned to sociability. And so it would seem that stupidity is perhaps less a psychological than a sociological problem. It is a particular form of the impact of historical circumstances on human beings, a psychological concomitant of certain external conditions. Upon closer observation, it becomes apparent that every strong upsurge of power in the public sphere, be it of a political or of a religious nature, infects a large part of humankind with stupidity. It would even seem that this is virtually a sociological-psychological law. The power of the one needs the stupidity of the other. The process at work here is not that particular human capacities, for instance, the intellect, suddenly atrophy or fail. Instead, it seems that under the overwhelming impact of rising power, humans are deprived of their inner independence, and, more or less consciously, give up establishing an autonomous position toward the emerging circumstances. The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and abused in his very being. Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil. This is where the danger of diabolical misuse lurks, for it is this that can once and for all destroy human beings.\n\n‘Yet at this very point it becomes quite clear that only an act of liberation, not instruction, can overcome stupidity. Here we must come to terms with the fact that in most cases a genuine internal liberation becomes possible only when external liberation has preceded it. Until then we must abandon all attempts to convince the stupid person. This state of affairs explains why in such circumstances our attempts to know what ‘the people’ really think are in vain and why, under these circumstances, this question is so irrelevant for the person who is thinking and acting responsibly. The word of the Bible that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom declares that the internal liberation of human beings to live the responsible life before God is the only genuine way to overcome stupidity.\n\n‘But these thoughts about stupidity also offer consolation in that they utterly forbid us to consider the majority of people to be stupid in every circumstance. It really will depend on whether those in power expect more from people’s stupidity than from their inner independence and wisdom.’\n\n-Dietrich Bonhoeffer, from ‘After Ten Years’ in Letters and Papers from Prison (Dietrich Bonhoeffer Works/English, vol. 8) Minneapolis, MN: Fortress Press, 2010.*", "> The word of the Bible that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom declares that the internal liberation of human beings to live the responsible life before God is the only genuine way to overcome stupidity.\n\nOf course, Bonhoeffer is going to end with God and the Bible. For those of you who don't know, the guy was a Lutheran theologian before he was a member of the vanishingly small German resistance. However, I do wonder why \"fear of God\" needs to be the operative principle behind abandoning the willful ignorance embodied in his \"theory of stupidity.\" If there's to be a moral principle behind abandoning a self-serving delusion, why can't it be something like the categorical imperative of Kant or just simply the golden rule?\n\nI didn't even watch the video. I'm more interested in the original text. If stupidity comes from an immodesty (not fearing God), then perhaps the solution is to orient our choice as to what to believe towards what produces the best outcomes when such a belief is multiplied across the entire world of people.\n\nIn the case of vaccination, the choice seems obvious. Unless, of course, you're like my best friend, who thinks the medicine of lock downs and masking orders is literally worse than the disease economically and socially. Can reasonable people agree to disagree?\n\nI know who's stupid in my own view, but how do we move past mere perspectives in contention and get back to agreed upon truths. Maybe Bonhoeffer is right that a certain humility before a higher power (even if that higher power is simply truth) is necessary. How many times have you admitted you're wrong this week?", "Your ideological/political views are clearly indicated by your latter comments. If you feel your \"friend\" and all Republicans are extremist Nazi's it's no wonder you have parted ways. Here's something you might want to reflect on: It's a BIG problem when you begin vilify or dehumanize those with different ideological or political views. History has shown what happens when the \"stupid\" masses justify their position and take action. How about you do your part today to keep this from happening and I'll do mine.", "This is real gaslighting. The right has used \"liberal\" and \"socialist\" and \"communist\" to dehumanize those on the left for decades. Literally decades. \n\nSo this is right out of the right wing playbook -call those people the same thing as exactly the thing YOU are doing, and it flips the script. For years I was hoping for bipartisanship, Dems and Repubs working across the aisle to pass important legislation. The Repubs did everything they could to block and stall, and eventually elected Trump. Donald Trump. Who ended most environmental regulations, called Covid a hoax, incited his followers to invade the capitol and kill people, and insult everyone he could on Twitter. How dare you say I am vilifying and dehumanizing when your leader was the one doing it the whole time, and his followers would like nothing more than to see the \"liberals\" and \"socialists\" killed. \n\nWell, it won't work this time. You must really think people are dumb.", "Many days later and I have to respond and say that it’s nice to see someone actually reflect on what Bonhoeffer was trying to say and if the word “stupidity” is the best word. Even if a translation gives a one to one this word/that word result, it’s been 75 years and nuances of words change. For one thing, it leaves unaddressed the lack of cognitive ability that is often meant by “stupidity.” Of all the times for German to not give us a long word of many words! No ignorancefromhabituatedjudgementalism for us?! Looking at the 7000+ comments on the YouTube video it looks like a lot of people are putting on their stupid caps for that emotional zeal of “gotcha!” directed at some vague sense of who they don’t like out there in the world - probably not what Bonhoeffer intended. If it is what Bonhoeffer actually meant I’d just say I disagree with Bonhoeffer and say he was wrong. It’s been 25 or 30 years since I’ve read any him and this doesn’t really line up with my memory. Not that my reading of him was extensive nor my memory of it that great, but It seemed off enough to have me looking up if that video was doing justice in its translation. \n\n\nAnd of course made me think of this video from Idiocracy.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6N3vdzfZK0", "Lol, for the record, your suggested new English-as-German word \"ignorancefromhabituatedjudgementalism\" looks 100% spot on.\n\nTake this as a freundschaftsbezeugung...", "People who have been punched in the face are infinitely wiser and more graceful than those that have not.", "Lots of Nazis got punched in their faces in Weimar Germany and it still didn't stop them from eventually seizing power. Street violence may feel good, but it doesn't NECESSARILY stop Nazis from infiltrating the legal system in the form of police sympathizers and it doesn't change the fact that propaganda tactics can rile up people into either supporting the fascists outright or capitulating to them as unrecognized cryptofascists.\n\nLike, maybe on a micro level punching a Nazi in the face might get them to stop acting like a Nazi or fear the same treatment later. It also might just make them an even more aggrieved and committed POS. We're talking about society level problems with growing support for fascism. If a fascist can get punched in the face and then go back to their fascist friends and have a shoulder to cry on, then maybe it's not the disincentive to being a fascist you think it is. Ditto for fascists having legitimate (by virtue of the fact that they're elected to national office and not because I think their opinions are legit) politicians provide them with apologetic cover as occurred after 1/6.\n\nImo, people that believe in antifa tactics miss the bigger picture that running street battles with the fascists (can) actually benefit the fascists from a propaganda perspective. It helps them make their both sides argument to average people in the middle who don't like violence regardless of the motivations behind the person engaging in violence.", "I was talking more metaphorically and on a individual level.", "My bad. I still think the aggregation of violent responses to violent ideology is the legitimation of violence though. On the other hand, I get it. When I was in middle school, I punched a guy who lived down the street while on the bus ride home and gave him a blood nose. He always harassed me on the way home. He didn't harass me after that.", "Yeah, people shouldn't be \"punched in the face\" while high on ideology. But \"getting punched in the face\" in a non-ideological setting is one of the best ways to experience personal growth." ]	37	videos	Bonhoeffer‘s Theory of Stupidity
https://youtu.be/8aLkMd8wMVY	/r/videos/comments/qfuyjb/thohts_social_media_tier_list/	[ "Yes, from outer space.", "What’s the green app that got an A+?", "4chan" ]	3	videos	THoHT's Social Media tier list.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfvac7/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfvac7/deleted_by_user/	[ "Cable jacket is cut too far back. Should be closer to the keystone.", ":) Thank you for your input \nThat was a horrible job that I did\nTook the video down \nIt was my first time terminating cables\nLooked it up and\nDefinatelly learn from my mistake\nThank you for your input", "That's one of the worst jobs I've seen. Take some care in your work", "I know I already took the video down.\nIt was my first time doing it and I looked it up and \nI definitely learned from my mistakes\n\nThank you I appreciate your input", "It wasn't horrible. Glad you didn't take that as me just being as ass, it kinda came off as such. I've been installing network cable for almost 20 years and some keystone jacks are just hard to work with.", "It's OK.\nThat was my first time doing it and without amy guidance.\nThank you for the input it's good to learn from people that know\n And you are right I took video down I didn't want to show wrong way of doing.\nThank you \nI appreciate this and learn from my mistakes" ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvBbRazeFd0	/r/videos/comments/qfvccz/the_gays_got_married/	[ "'A radioactive scorched desertscape \nRuled by roving biker gangs \nWith scary tattoos and muscley arms \nBlue eyes and super cute bangs'", "The gay going airborne always tickles my fancy. R.I.P.", "God bless the gays and their spores", "Forgive me father for I want sin", "Ah shit time to listen to it for the 4th time today...Still mourning Trevor. RIP. So many decades lost.", "Miss this guy", "So bitter sweet seeing his stuff posted. It's great to share with new people (I've introduced a lot of people to his specials and Whitest Kids U' Know) but I still feel sad knowing he's gone now.\n\nAt least fans got hundreds of hours from streams to enjoy for all time. Well, I'm off to watch a random Newsboyz!", "Trevor died trying to suck his own dick and was successful as per the big smile on his dead face", "RIP, it was really jarring to hear about his passing, been enjoying his work, especially the music for a long time!", "I'm experiencing it for the first time now, can't believe in missed then.", "'So I'll seal myself off from everyone, and hide here until I die.\n\nConfused and angry, sad and alone, and I know the reason why.....\n\nCuz gays got married.\n\nThe gays got married\n\nThe gays got married.\n\nThe gays got married\n\nThe gays got married\n\nThe gays got married\n\n\nThe gays got married..\n\n↑UNIFIED↓\n\nThe gays got married'", "THESE ARE FACTS. You cannot deny. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iBIqvkwkrA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iBIqvkwkrA)\n\nYour only mistake is saying that he was \"trying\" to suck his own dick. He fucking succeeded bro.", "All the full episodes are on archive.org in excellent quality FYI.", "Yes daddy I'm a sinner!", "\"the gay had gone airborne\"", "Yes but is it gay to suck your own dick?\n\nAlso, does this mean you can marry yourself?", "Aww, RIP Trevor Moore.", "Seems a lot more like sucking a dick than getting your dick sucked.", "I'm so confused", "Funny, the intro sounds exactly like [State of Grace](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwzwOMIN1vM). Just listen to the first few lines, it even has the same three notes playing.\n\nWondering whether it's a coincidence, they just used it as a start, or it's just a more general thing in country music? It's definitely not country, you'll have to go back to her older stuff, but she might still be inspired from it.", "RIP Legend", "We’re so ahead of their time love these guys so much", "Don't they have most of their episodes uploads to YouTube on their channel?", "No, they have quite a few sketches. No full episodes. There is a Whitest Kids U' Know channel that isn't run by them, theirs is called \"Official WKUK\".\n\nYou can find the commentary discussion, some individual sketches, and all their streamed stuff at https://wkukplus.com/", "Well, it was Self Suck Sunday", "It's not gay, but it does feel more like sucking a dick than getting your dick sucked", "RIP in gay heaven, Trevor.", "Pretty sure that opening melody is State of Grace by Taylor Swift lol", "Rip Trevor Moore", "Its genuinely bizarre how much those first few lines sound like actual country songs. People are pointing out \"State of Grace\" by Taylor Swift, but it also sounds incredibly similar to [Say You Do by Dierks Bentley](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xpr1fLqEj4)", "GFYS DL", "Check out wkukplus.com", "Oh yeah, lol, I'm aware. I posted about it in this very thread a couple hours ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfvccz/the_gays_got_married/hi3mocv/", "RIP Travis", "Gotcha! I knew I had watched episodes somewhere on YouTube. Thanks for the links!", "he died doing what he loved. sucking his own penis. RIP Trevor :'(", "He came and went.", "lol they played it so straight when they said that, those guys must have been tighter than tight", "yeah fr. you know that they know that that's how Trevor would've wanted it to be played out. Like, lets not be as hurt as we know we should be, but instead, make jokes and respect him in the darkest way he would want. :P", "Yep you be so concentrated to do it than to feel it", "What a local sexpot" ]	38	videos	The gays got married.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNTzx1p_MzQ	/r/videos/comments/qfvemn/brazilian_youtuber_builds_a_functioning_submarine/	[ "El chapo is calling", "Deliver me my goods!", "What a prick for sitting on the reef", "That seems incredibly dangerous. What was his escape plan if a leak occurred? Just try to get out as fast as possible?", "How is he scrubbing the CO2 out of his air?", "I wonder if he can even open the hatch at those pressures. Probably has to wait until the thing is already filled with water", "I really like the metal security nipple behind his head so in the event of a crash it pierces the skull.", "A real life Walt Grace.", "Dont ever go in the ocean then", "He did it with a will to work hard, and a library card.", "Is this technically a submarine at this size and speed, or just a scuffed home made [scaphandre?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnVfg0ii3os)", "There is a video where he tests the submarine in a pool. He has some emergency plans" ]	12	videos	Brazilian youtuber builds a functioning submarine from scratch (took him 4 yrs)
https://youtu.be/CT_g8hWMpDc	/r/videos/comments/qfvgvr/remove_hundred_ticks_from_poor_doggy_pity_for/	[ "Fauci probably put those ticks on that dog", "bad think about", "https://www.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/360043504051" ]	3	videos	Remove hundred ticks from poor doggy, Pity for living poor life dog IV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds-v2-qyCc8	/r/videos/comments/qfvsei/throwing_good_money_after_bad_car_infrastructure/	[ "[3:09](https://youtu.be/Ds-v2-qyCc8?t=189) \n\ncrosses at a random point in the middle of the road\n> this stroad is very difficult and dangerous to cross\n\n[4:08](https://youtu.be/Ds-v2-qyCc8?t=249) \n\nis walking at an intersection with a cross walk\n\n> this women is casually crossing with a cup of coffee\n\nAm I being too harsh? This guy's videos have been less polished recently and I feel like he's making a mountain out of a molehill just for views\n\nI feel like other people like City Beautiful discuss [similar topics](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcUx5r_ksk8) but lack the condescension that makes this guy so irritating to listen to", "Crosswalks are generally much more frequent on the kinds of streets shown in the second example though. So your only options are either to just book it, or to walk a huge distance out of your way in order to cross.", "That doesn't make sense. I could choose to cross a highway and claim that it's unsafe. The fact is that crosswalks are laid down where the activity is. OP choose to cross in the strangest place to prove some kind of point.", "Then why post it?\n\nYou hate the guy but still want reddit upvotes? Is that it? Did I figure you out?", "I believe (at least from reading such comments on Reddit) that crossing streets in the US is illegal unless there is a crossing. (Please correct me if I got that wrong).\n\nSomething like that seems kinda special in the US and a few other places, as commonly people just cross streets by foot whereever they need to get to the other side. Crossings are there to offer a controlled safer passage but are not required to use.\n\nSo people crossing streets is just a normal thing.\n\nA highway on the other hand usually has a special legal status, often requiring your vehicle to be registered under a certain minimum speed. Pedestrians are not allowed on highways as the common speeds are too high for safe passing.", "OP does seem a twat.", "Harsh? You are just completely missing the point he was making, one is designed with pedestrians/livability in mind, the other is for cars.\n\nWouldn't be surprised if the first road had crossing points all over the place, while the bottom one has them every mile or so. Hell even crossing at lights on that \"stroad\" would probably be dangerous, constantly see \"right on red\" runners almost hit pedestrians on r/roadcam on similar roads.", "Do you really think that woman would have to run like in the first example if she were to cross 300 yards up the road?", "> crosses at a random point in the middle of the road\n\nThat is actually at an intersection, but the intersection doesn't have a crosswalk. The nearest crosswalk is 175 meters away. So it's not like there is much choice for him to cross unless he wants to walk 350 extra meters. The distance between the crosswalks in either direction is over 500 meters! No wonder everyone is just going to cross the road wherever they are, or rather, not walk at all.", "I'm so tired of this dude shitting on the most popular mode of transpiration, at least in US medium / large cities.", "And other people prefer having an actual choice." ]	12	videos	Throwing Good Money After Bad Car Infrastructure - Wonderland Road
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG7SyxaXGwU	/r/videos/comments/qfvz2p/pbs_mystery_intro_cartoon/	[ "Edward Gorey is always delightful.", "His illustrations for John Bellairs' books were an important part of my childhood.", "Interesting. The current intro/outro has excerpts from it.", "When I was a kid I used to watch this all the time on PBS and then never bothered to watch the show. My first encounter with Edward Gorey.", "I suddenly want to see David Suchet waddle across the screen as Hercule Poirot.", "Sadly the current editions don't use his illustrations on the covers, only on the pages.", "I remember being a little kid refusing to go to bed on thursday night until i saw this!", "I would only watch Lord Peter Wimsey.", "Mor ve Otesi has a music video where they use images from an old Russian cartoon. The PBS cartoon's style looks very spooky and similar to this one:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axxB5f2yUAM", "Someone's a patreon subscriber to You're Wrong About", "[and then Arthur parodied this style for one of their cold opens](https://imgur.com/a/syV4NvH)", "Is there an HD version?" ]	13	videos	PBS Mystery intro cartoon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHH3GgIuqu0	/r/videos/comments/qfx7g4/preparing_ice_for_drinking_water_in_the_coldest/	[ "So why can't they just drink the lake water?\n\nIs there something special about ice that I don't know?\n\nLike, there's water right there all around the ice! \n\nYeah, I don't understand why they wouldn't fill containers with water and just let it freeze at home. Seems like it would save a ton of work chopping ice. \n\nI'll have to watch the vid again.", "Maybe it’s easier to transport ice than water given the extreme temperature? Just a thought", "Puzzling", "> Yeah, I don't understand why they wouldn't fill containers with water and just let it freeze at home. Seems like it would save a ton of work chopping ice.\n\ni don't know if the house has running water to it. it looks like it's in a remote location and permanently winter. we'll have to watch more videos to find out.\n\nand/or, maybe the running water to it is not people safe good drinking water.", "that's enough water for 1 year? man that doesn't seem like a lot. 1 gallon per person per day, for a whole year? and that's just for drinking? was that really enough? wow. but hey, someone should get them the sled!", "Any piping system would be frozen, they'd have to build heating for the pipe", "Neat video!\n\nCouple questions: where exactly is this, and how do they bathe?", "You’re very welcome! Thanks for your comment", "Not true, when it's sufficiently deep you avoid the issues of freezing. The problem is that water systems are extremely expensive to build and maintain (millions to build and tens to hundreds of thousands a year to maintain) and we're talking about an isolated Russian region where development of infrastructure like this already lags behind. \n\nJust bringing existing systems back up to potability for ~200 communities in Canada cost over[ 3.2 billion](https://globalnews.ca/news/3902573/cost-first-nations-water-system/).\n\nIt's easily possible (in terms of design/engineering) to have a water system in place, it's just atrociously expensive to build in the first place.", "She said at the beginning of the video that as the water freezes, it becomes very still, allowing sediment and plankton to fall out of suspension, leaving the ice very pure. The liquid water would have more impurities in it.", "I'm from a place where it gets to -40 nearly every year. The difference was we have electricity and ummm, wells. . . . Pipe 2m underground to basement, problem solved. It does not freeze 2m underground.\n\nIf you ware wondering about the pump, that goes at the bottom of the well, submersible pump. \n\nWhat you are seeing here is a lack of funds for infrastructure.", "That's what she said...", "I think she meant that the 30-40 cm thick top layer of ice will last them a year. Not that they only gather ice once a year.", "Not sure if this is quite the same region, but my favourite doc. on this part of the world is [Happy People](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbhPIK-oBvA).\n\nAlso did she say it was 24-25'C indoors? That's warmer than my house! :D", "I can't imagine living around so many poisonous snakes." ]	16	videos	Preparing ice for drinking water in the coldest inhabited region in the world
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfDIAZCwHQE	/r/videos/comments/qfxrvw/a_wes_anderson_horror_movie_trailer_snl_shameless/	[ "Shit I'd watch it", "Seems like Alec Baldwin was miscast", "Pretty much hate all SNL humor but this was just perfect", "SNL is garbage but this is great" ]	4	videos	A Wes Anderson Horror movie trailer (SNL, shameless repost)
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfy9xn/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfy9xn/deleted_by_user/	[ "Whaaa? This has been up for a whole five minutes, and the nutters haven't flagged it off yet?!", "I'm just as shocked as you are.", "I gave it my free Reddit Hugz award, to draw more attention to it.", "Would be funnier if Fozzie the bear told the jokes.", "Too kind! :)", "ie talentless schmoe tries to coast on other people's works mashed up into a putrid video puddle." ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJdYkQFseIM	/r/videos/comments/qfyqap/what_happens_when_children_switched_at_birth/	[ "Interesting watch, thank you", "TL;DW\n\nRich kid and poor kid get swapped at birth. Moms are both single and decide to keep the wrong kid. Mutually.\n\nYear later as the boys are older, rich (now poor) boy keeps in contact with mom and wants return. Poor (now rich) boy doesn’t want to switch, enjoys being rich.\n\nAlso, poor now rich boy seems like a total cunt.", "Funny how both choose they want to be on the side of wealth.", "> Also, poor now rich boy seems like a total cunt\n\nI think I'd be a little resentful if I knew there was an easy button to life and someone else took away the choice to hit it.\n\n>You read that wrong, the one that grew up wealthy is the tool bag. The other is noticeably a touch resentful but well rounded.\n\nThat tracks", "Who wouldn't want a more privileged and comfortable life?\n\nThe reality of it is that the state should have paid out big bucks for their mistake and both families should have had more than enough to live comfortably.", "You replied to the wrong comment", "Thank you", "You read that wrong, the one that grew up wealthy is the tool bag. The other is noticeably a touch resentful but well rounded.", "That guy came off as such a psychopath when he was asked if he felt bad, and said \"no\".", "Why would that be fucked up? It's very natural.", "Couldnt help but notice:\n\nRich genetics (now poor): more attractive face, shorter height (worse nutrition?).\n\nPoor genetics (now rich): less attractive face, taller height (better nutrition?).", "I dont think Australia is a poor country where rich and poor citizens will have such a dramatics difference in nutrition to cause height differences. Its just genetics.", "why would he feel bad?", "The poor kid (now rich kid) has bad genes. You can look at him and tell that he's low iq and was destined to be poor. Might be because his eyes slope heavily in the non attractive direction, are too close together, teeth are rubbish. There's a reason why bad guys in cartoons are drawn that way. We all as a society just associate people who look like that with being dumb criminals. His face is also not symmetrical at all. He's also a total cunt. If I were his mother I'd swap him out with the nicer, more handsome one.", "He's living an affluent life in the care of a woman who is not his biological mother. \n\nThe person living \"his\" life, has to know that every hardship he's going through isn't really suppose to be his. That every advantage afforded the other boy, had not the hospital made a mistake, would be his. \n\nNature vs nurture debates have indicated that the boy being raised in the affluent environment is afforded far more opportunities professionally, socially, and economically. \n\nThis is a pretty clear cut issue to me. How is living in a world that you were not meant for not something deserving of sympathy? The lack of empathy from the boy who \"stole\" his life has to only add on to the mental baggage he has to process.", "> e's living an affluent life in the care of a woman who is not his biological mother.\n\nThats like 99.99% of all adopted children.\n\nWhen someone asks if you feel bad for something, its asking if you did something wrong. \n\nHe didn't cause any of this to happen. \n\nHe didn't \"steal\" anyones life.\n\nDo you feel bad for the privileged life you live?", "This happened in South Africa. They were both born in Johannesburg, and the last shot looks like it was shot at Cape Town or OR Thambo international airport, so they evidently live far apart.", "What a tragic story. The 'poor' kid seems like a bright, sensitive kid, who obviously loves and cares for his mom. The 'poor' mom obviously feels terribly insecure about being less loved by both boys: the one she raised who obviously has a genetic and emotional bond with his birth mother, and the 'rich' boy who would never trade his material circumstances just so that he could live with the mother who gave birth to him. The 'rich' mom obviously fears she made the right decision, and loves her birth son dearly. The 'rich' boy seems to care less than any of them -- that could all be a ruse, who really knows, but obviously growing up wealthy and cared for is a much better life than growing up poor, and he obviously appreciates that reality.\n\nThese boys, once friends, now seem pitted against one another, resentful and insecure and thrust into a bad situation over which they have no control.\n\nVery sad.", "He was not adopted. He had to do multiple interviews in front of a camera making it painfully aware his issue is one of extraordinary circumstances. \n\nAdopted children also have quite significant mental trauma from the events of adoption and many are conflicted with the issue of finding their real parents later in life.\n\nBut I suppose your intent is to downplay the suffering of all involved.\n\nDo you lack empathy in all areas of your life?", ">Doesn't want to switch\n\nLol can't blame him for that though. Like, uhhh no I'm good? Even if he wasn't a rich psycho or whatever, that's a lot to ask of someone \"Ohh yeah just go back and live that other life you didn't live or something.. byeeee\" lol", "While I don’t think there is a wrong decision in a situation this complicated, I agree that it is likely too much for a child to handle. \n\nWould lead to a lot of confusion and self-worth issues. Think about what kind of mental dilemmas adopted kids go through, now ramp that up to a thousand where they aren’t sure that either their biological or “adoptive” mother truly want them. Horrible", "Making these kind of assumptions based on appearance and physical attributes is archaic imo.\n\nI’d love to be proven wrong, but I think this a co formation bias situation", "His lack of empathy is the first red flag.", "Its staggering that the wealthy mother doesn't financially support her biological son. I mean WTF, they described him living in abject poverty. This is a level of cold bloodedness that's scary, but going by the attitude of the sons she's raised, its not surprising.", "That was heart wrenching for the poor boy…. Going to visit his biological mom once a year and seeing what his life could have been…. I couldn’t imagine what that would feel like.\n\nBut seeing the more fortunate kid, it may have been the best decision…. If he’s that much of a cunt growing up affluent he might have turned out much worse growing up poor. Possibly turning into a criminal.\n\nSeems the poor kid has such a genuine sweetness to him he would of turned out great in both environments. Just sucks he’s not afforded the same opportunity being raised poor…\n\nI wonder what happened to them", "This is a pretty recent update I believe. The video that was posted to YouTube was dated something October 2021. So unless it’s a late upload. I think\nthis is pretty close to where they are at now. Probably with more updates and hopefully\nNetflix deals for my boy Robyn In the future (the now poor kid).\n\nEdit: Grammar", "oh, my bad.", "It is very taboo to say or think this. But it seems to be true.\n\nThis is of course not true in every case, but in general.\n\n[If He Looks Stupid, He Probably Is](https://www.forbes.com/sites/rosspomeroy/2014/04/14/if-he-looks-stupid-he-probably-is/)", "Oh yes! Didn’t check the date of posting. For some reason it seems the video is old lol", "Yes anyone could have foreseen that. I think the mistake was very negligent by the hos p igal and unfortunate for all involved. Needless to say, the parents, both fathers and mothers involdeshould have been more responsible after learning of the situation. They should have made the difficult decision to take back their rightful children foreshadowing what now is transpiring before them. They chose emotions over facts. \n\nI foresee more resentfulness and unending drama in the future. Potential legal problems may ensue when the boys become men. The rightful child may have a claim.", "Damn wasn’t expecting that. I feel pretty bad for Ms. Dawkins she really was left with nothing. Though glad to have seen Robin being the one thriving in the end.", "No brainer, in my opinion. Who, if anyone would choose to be poor?", "Choosing wealth over their own family though, both biologically and raised.", "This.", "I thought the same. I hope that at the very least she leaves the kid an inheritance. She could pay for her biological son’s schooling or for food security. For fuck’s sake, this lady sure is cold AF. And she’s raising a terrible and mentally unstable kid. He’s a total douche.", "The spike hair kid is learning a very important lesson in life, while the sunglass kid is cruising down life on a unicorn, the rosy cheek kid's reaction instilled fear and cowardness in his character, he couldn't possibly face the fact of downgrading is life.. but what they are both failing to see is the way your personality is being nutured.\n\nI'm sure this 60 minute interview will change both their lives!", "He was asked if he felt bad for the other boy and he said no.\n\nHe showed no empathy. \n\nEmpathy is not an admission of guilt, it does not mean he was to blame. People feel bad and have empathy for thousands of things they are not responsible for. \n\nThis boy wanted nothing to do with the poor mom and said his life was better. He clearly didn't want the other boys life and yet had no empathy that the other boy had to live such hardships. While he wasn't to blame, had there been no mistake, he'd have had the other life that he looked down on.\n\nLack of empathy here while being so aware of the situation is a dreadfully heartless way to be. He wasn't ignorant or unaware, just a selfish person.", "Check out the updated video.\nhttps://youtu.be/lIdDXBHKejw\n\nThings change drastically and it ends up very sad for the low income mom. With the wealthy mom just ending up selfish, only concerned for her own almost loss and none for the poor mom who ended up abandoned.", "https://youtu.be/lIdDXBHKejw\n\nThis is the update.\n\nThe poor kid abandoned his mom.", "Robin (meant to be more affluent but is raised in a lower income) has also seemed to have to deal with his mother’s (the one whose raised him - Gavin’s bio mom) mental / medical issues. She seems to have struggled more from this (likely due to less support as the other woman is married and has extended family aid as well). So her house is more depressing, fewer toys, but also fewer people too…cousins etc. Her mental health would have an impact on Robin’s and might play into his reality of being a loner. I doubt he could bring home kids to play with etc. \nAt 20 months they should have switched back. It’s horrible either way. Otherwise they should have each had both alike shared custody.", "Thanks for this. Just watched it and yes she only seemed concerned about her ownself in keeping both boys in her life while leaving the other mother with nothing.", "It’s a very late upload. \n\nThe boys were born in 1989. \n\nThere were two separate time periods covered by 60 Minutes Australia; one part had interviews with the boys when they were 11 years old, so that would have taken place in 2000. The second segment of the show took place four years after the first, when the boys were 15, in 2004. \n\nAt this point in time, in 2021, the boys are 32 years old. \n\nI went looking for more recent updates about these guys immediately after I watched this “new” episode of 60 Minutes Australia (uploaded in October 2021), because I quickly realized the episode was not “new” at all; rather it’s an extremely outdated, “old-ass” episode that, for whatever idiotic reason, was first uploaded to 60 Minutes Australia’s YT channel just this past October, and being passed off as new; the clearly misleading implication being that it’s relatively current news. \n\nGrrr! 😡 \n\nSeriously?!? WHY tf do uploaders with YouTube channels do crap like this?! Especially the channels that belong to professional business organizations, like NEWS MEDIA?!? \n\nWTF is the point in posting a 17 year old video of a news story without providing any real time updates about these boys and their moms, or at least posting a link or two in the description box that might offer interested viewers some more recent, more relevant, more current info on these people?!?!\n\nUgh! Anyway, I did some digging online and only came up with a couple of tiny tidbits about the boys that’s more recent: \n\nAt 15, after the show aired (in 2004!), Robyn ultimately decided to go live with his bio mom, Megs. \n\nViewers may recall from the latter segment of the (archaic!) 60 Minutes episode that Robyn was extremely emotional, very anguished. He loves both moms, and though he won’t say it out loud on the show, it’s obvious that he really wants to go live with his bio mom, but he also doesn’t want to hurt his “life’s journey” mom. He loves them both very much. That’s evident. However, he’s a 15 year old kid, and he’s been forced into a challenging and economically limited life that wasn’t supposed to be his to endure, through no fault of his own. He’s resentful. He’s envious. He’s angry. With good reason. \n\nMeanwhile, Gavin, the douche (cunt) of a “brother” is clearly and rather smugly basking in the comfortable privilege of the life that should have been Robyn’s. Gavin openly expresses his disdain for the life that should have been his own, simultaneously and carelessly disrespecting his own bio mom. No fucks given. He doesn’t like going to visit with her, isn’t much interested in maintaining regular ongoing contact with her. Though unspoken, it’s written all over his face: “Uh, yeah, no, I have no interest in nor intentions of being poor or even living like I’m poor even if only for a few days! Ugh, hell to the no!” \n\nMegs is very emotional. She loves both boys, and wants Robyn with her and doesn’t want to lose Gavin, but it’s obvious she feels a stronger emotional connection to Robyn. She totally knows Gavin is a vapid dick. She’s kinda over it. Won’t say it. Wants Robyn. The personalities of Robyn and Megs, especially that they are both easily expressive of deeply felt emotions, definitely track to being a genetic thing. \n\nConversely, Gavin is more emotionally closed, very reserved, quite stoic, maybe a bit guarded given the overall situation. I mean, Gavin is definitely a little prick, but I don’t necessarily think it comes from anything related to his being a sociopath or psychopath. Sandy, Gavin’s bio mom, is also one to hold her emotions in check and close to the vest. She’s not a blubbery crybaby, nor is she into emotional manipulation. Sandy isn’t selfish, and while Gavin seems to be very self centered, I think that particular deviation between Gavin and Sandy speaks more to age and maturity. Sandy’s a mom and wants her child(ren) to be happy even if it makes her sad. Gavin’s still a punk kid with raging hormones, a weird identity thing & crazy family dynamic going on, afraid of losing his place, his comforts, his security, and only mindful of how it’s affecting him. He’s selfish, yeah. He’s a kid. Sandy’s kid. He probably grew up and got past the selfish part but I bet he’s still comes off as cold and stoic, all of which can likely be attributed to his having received that particular piece of Sandy’s genetic code.\n\nAnyway …. I dug up a short article from 2012. The boys were 23, and both had lived out their teenage years, together as brothers, living exclusively with Megs since Robyn had arrived at age 15. After high schools, Gavin went off to college. Robyn got married and had a child. \n\nAs of 2012, neither of the boys maintained any sort of contact whatsoever with Sandy since 2004. So that’s shitty. \n\nI couldn’t find anything else more current for any newer updates covering the past nine years about any of them.", "That’s not true, I feel bad for a lot of situations that are not my fault - droughts, hurricanes, etc. that boy seems to lack empathy", "Found this article, it sounds like Sandy Dawkins was not a great mom. \n\nhttps://www.pressreader.com/south-africa/weekend-argus-sunday-edition/20160508/281633894446721", "Let’s be clear Gavin is a product of the environment and parenting of the person who raised him. What I noticed in your story is that Robyn never went to college even after moving in with his birth mother. I would love to see where they are today and how being raised where they were during their formative years have affected their outcome." ]	54	videos	What happens when children switched at birth aren't swapped back? \| 60 Minutes Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhwksPCObaU	/r/videos/comments/qfyt58/the_babylon_bee_guide_to_being_woke/	[ "Reactionaries aren’t funny", "This halfway seems like satire, cuz it's almost funny.", "They used to be a Christian The Onion knockoff and then became... this.", "This sounds like another day on Reddit. It isn’t satire. It’s a documentary.", "Christians aren't woke, they are conservative" ]	5	videos	The Babylon Bee Guide To Being Woke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMs8avYUFls	/r/videos/comments/qfyugd/why_do_himachal_police_stop_bikers_at_atal_tunnel/	[ "🚂🚃🆙⬆️💀🆙⬆️⚔️🆙⬆️👹🆙⬆️🔱🆙⬆️😳🆙⬆️🦇🆙⬆️🤪🆙⬆️👾🆙⬆️😖🆙⬆️👻🆙⬆️👀🆙⬆️😵⬆️⬆️🕷️🆙⬆️🎃🆙⬆️☠️", "Up.", "🚂🚃🆙⬆️💀🆙⬆️⚔️🆙⬆️👹🆙⬆️🔱🆙⬆️🧐la🆙⬆️🕷️🆙⬆️😳🆙⬆️👻🆙⬆️😬boo🆙⬆️🍭🆙⬆️😵🆙⬆️👾🆙⬆️😖🆙⬆️🦇🆙⬆️🎃🆙⬆️🍬🆙⬆️🤪🆙⬆️👀🆙⬆️😲votes🆙⬆️☠️", "Up.", "🚂🚃🆙⬆️💀🆙⬆️⚔️🆙⬆️👹🆙⬆️🔱🆙⬆️🧐spooky🆙⬆️🕷️🆙⬆️😲🆙⬆️👀emojis🆙⬆️😖🆙⬆️👾🆙⬆️😵🆙⬆️🍭🆙⬆️😬🆙⬆️👻🆙⬆️😳🆙⬆️🦇🆙⬆️🤪🆙⬆️🍬🆙⬆️🎃votes🆙⬆️☠️", "Up." ]	6	videos	Why Do Himachal Police Stop Bikers at Atal Tunnel?
https://youtu.be/gbhsGE2CHI0	/r/videos/comments/qfz892/what_firing_a_comedian_for_old_jokes_is_like/	[ "> It doesn't have to make sense, Kevin. People are offended\n\nA perfect line to show how unbelievably stupid it is making decisions based on how some people are offended.\n\nOffence is taken, not given... and it's entirely subjective.", "It's nothing like this.", "What isnt?", "Comedians don’t really get “fired” though, do they?\n\nComedians don’t tend to work in corporate structures with HR departments and middle managers.\n\nComedians are self-employed.\n\nAnd if they piss off their audience enough that no-one wants to hire them anymore, they really don’t have anyone but themselves to blame…", "That’s how freelance self-employment generally works. You get hired on a short-term basis by people and organisations.\n\nUnless they have a long-running talk show or something, comedians aren’t employed long-term by one company", "If I have a plumber that I regularly use and one day he calls my mum a cunt and I decide not to hire him anymore and look for other plumbers instead, is that me “firing” my plumber?\n\nI certainly wouldn’t put it that way\n\nHe can still take other jobs", "How is it firing him? I’m not terminating any contract, just choosing to hire somebody else in future.", ">fired - dismiss (an employee) from a job.\n\nBut my example doesn’t involve dismissing him from a job. As I clearly stated. I let him finish the job I’m paying him for and then when another job comes up, I get someone else.\n\nNo firing involved\n\n>You're a self employed builder working on a building site, the boss says your skills are no longer required, what's happened to you there?\n\nWell, that’s an example of an ongoing contract, which would be equivalent to the example I gave of a comedian working long term on a talk show\n\n>Are you seriously suggesting a self employed person cannot be fired lol\n\nNope. I’m talking in general terms, not absolute terms", "Ultimately, what we have here is just a difference in definitions.\n\nIt doesn’t really matter. Whether you call it firing or not, my initial point still stands.\n\nIf a comedian possess off their own audience enough to get “fired”, they only have themselves to blame", "And that turned out to just be a temporary setback in his career.\n\nHe directed one of the best movies this year", "I believe I have explained my point very clearly.\n\nI’m sorry if you disagree", "Actually, an even better analogy would be the superintendent of a residential building hiring a plumber who then calls several residents cunts and the residents put pressure on the superintendent not to hire him anymore", "Most comedians do work for corporate structures actually, a minority are independent.\n\nThe broader point is that it's not them pissing off their audience -most of the comics on question still have massive fanbases and high commercial appeal. Its other people being offended and trying to force those corporate structures to cease working with them.", "This isn't \"firing comedians\" its cancel culture in general.", "cancel culture is exactly like this.", ">Having someone work for you, then cancelling that contract/employment is firing them, plain and simple.\n\nYes, that’s true.\n\nBut the situation I’m talking about and the example I gave clearly doesn’t involve cancelling a contract.", "It’s more the audiences of the platforms than the audiences of the specific comedians.\n\nAs in my example. Some of the tenants may never have had any contact with the plumber, but they still might petition for him to be replaced", ">Most comedians do work for corporate structures actually, a minority are independent.\n\nAnd where are you getting that information from?\n\n>The broader point is that it's not them pissing off their audience -most of the comics on question still have massive fanbases and high commercial appeal. Its other people being offended and trying to force those corporate structures to cease working with them.\n\nYes, the audiences of those corporate structures", "An employee has an employment contract with you that has different legalities to most to all other service contracts.\nEnd of the day its all just differences in contract and legal obligations. \nI've got a bit of experience with gig/show contracts and I'd bet comedians use very similar ones.\nIt's definitely not like being \"fired\" it's more like one business dealing with another.", ">and where are you getting that information from?\n\nFrom actually working as a comedian lol. The industry is very corporate on pretty much every level for comedians that actually earn a living. \n\n\n>Yes, the audiences of those corporate structures\n\nYou said they were pissing off their own audiences first, now its the audiences of the corporate structures that you also said they don't work for? \n\n\nI don't think your point is very coherent here.", "So if it doesnt completely ruin them, it's okay?", "It’s not ok and it isn’t not ok. It just is. It’s capitalism", "this is about 3 minutes longer than it needs to be", "Sure it is", "correction: this is about 3 minutes and 49 seconds longer than it needs to be.", "Well, comedians make money by people paying to watch them.\n\nSo if enough people collectively decide to ignore/block them, that harms their career and income.\n\nThat’s what “being cancelled” is. It’s basically just a boycott. It’s the ultimate expression of the free market", "Yep, that’s how boycotts work. They put pressure on corporations to listen to the will of consumers. It’s basically the only power consumers have", "People have every right to be offended at something, and absolutely no right to stop the person from offending you.\n\nUnless you're on reddit... then you can hivemind bury anything other than leftist extreme views and batshit crazy mods can remove whatever they want with no review process.", "Yet here you are, freely expressing your opinion on Reddit...", "In R/videos. Try it in what are supposed to be neutral subs like politics, political humor and other subs not labeled as extreme leftist groups and see how fast you get buried or banned.", "Why would I want to?\n\nAnd thank you for your downvote, you're just showing us that your more of the problem than the solution, while ignoring your own hypocrisy...", "Actually I follow the rules of reddit regarding votes. Even if you disagree, but a comment adds to the discussion, it deserves an upvote. Comments that do not add to the discussion should be downvoted.\n\nIf you don't understand the rampant comment burying and hivemind attitude on the site that people have to put up with... then why were you commenting?", "So calling out your hypocrisy doesn't add to the conversation? Meaning that your hypocrisy does?\n\nBest just to block your particular brand of delusional toxicity..." ]	33	videos	What Firing A Comedian For Old Jokes Is Like
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qfza5c/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qfza5c/deleted_by_user/	[ "Yeah nah this is trash.", "Just like Hanna Gadsby.", "She’s not funny. But this is just low effort knuckle dragging.", "Much like Hanna Gadsby." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/LTKSj-iN6KE	/r/videos/comments/qfzrkc/crazy_lady_drives_off_tow_truck_and_wrecks_other/	[ "So now she’ll never afford a car.", "don’t buy a car you can’t afford and it won’t get repo’d lmao", "If for you a triple car crash that is clearly being recorded feels like victory, maybe you should just walk.", "Exactly, this lady just made it a whole lot worse for herself", "Know your rights people.\n\nIt looks like they're still in the parking lot where she is being towed from. She has Texas plates but I'm from CA so I'll speak about CA laws.\n\nIf you find that you are being towed you are legally allowed to have your car be returned to you so long as the car has not left the property it is being towed from even if the car is already on the truck and in the process of being driven away. They can still charge you up to 50% of the towing costs. But it saves you a giant hassle.\n\nAlso if you are on private property that doesn't have signs posted, you must be given at least 24 hours after the police have been notified before they can tow you.", "Do repo companies have to notify police?", "Repo is different. But tow companies are still a cancer to society. I have had my car towed from in front of my home cause I had a crazy neighbor that wanted the whole street for her broke down cars...", "She didn't pay her bills, then proceeded to fuck other people's days up by crashing into their cars and making her problem their problem too.\n\nSeems like bad character overall. Far from \"victory\".", "Not until after they've lifted the car, and only as a courtesy in case it's mistakenly reported stolen. That's based on what I learned from the Reponut channel though", "Do they lift vehicles they haven't been instructed to lift, or something? What are they doing that's so bad?", "Your opinion is very difficult to evaluate when you say \"I legit think they are worse than rapists.\" I understand you're probably kidding, but yikes.", ">A towing company that does not provide the notification under paragraph (1) within 30 minutes after the vehicle is removed from the private property and is in transit is civilly liable to the registered owner of the vehicle, or the person who tenders the fees, for three times the amount of the towing and storage charges.\n\nhttps://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=VEH&sectionNum=22658\n\nIn CA, if they don't notify the police they owe you money.", "Why are these parking spaces marked with \"No parking\"? What else are they for???", "Even worse, they reclaim unpaid for purchases. The monsters.", "Schrödinger's car.", "Looks like she did “go somewhere” after being told she wouldn’t be able to lol", "All the lawyers coming out", "Sounds like you’ve had some experiences with them. Don’t buy a car you can’t afford", "No parking over the red line or along the curb because it's a fire truck lane.", "Yes, but that won't discharge you of the criminal damage to the tow truck, those other cars, or a driving offence (e.g. failing to stop and report an accident involving damage or injury).\n\nHowever you look at it, you're a twat to do this. If you want to \"stick it to them\", prove that you were there, prove the above applies, then sue them for that - and the cost of the taxi to get to the impound, etc. - at a later date.\n\nAll this is going to do is get you a charge of dangerous driving and a hefty bill from several people, including the tow-truck company.\n\nP.S. In CA you have weird laws. I don't know the Texas laws so I can't comment. In my country... there is no nonsense as you have stated. If you're parked illegally (even on private land) and they've started towing you, interfering with that process is basically an offence.\n\nIn fact, the only change in such rules in my country in the last 20 years or so is that they are NOT allowed to clamp you (\"Hey, you're parked where you shouldn't be, so we're going to force you to stay there!\") on private land. They MUST tow you instead. So park on my driveway and I can have you towed. Park in a car park I own without permission and I can have you towed.\n\nTo the point that my local council actually had a hotline for home owners... they guarantee a 1 hour pick up to tow someone off your private property - or someone who is blocking access to your private property, e.g. across your driveway. They don't charge for it, all you have to do is prove that you're the owner of the land / driveway access.\n\nI know, because I used it. And I threatened it several dozen times when people then went from \"It's just for a minute\" or \"But my sister is staying with me\" to \"I'll move it to a parking space 100 yards away that's legal, then\" in an instant.", "A guy at my work stabbed a guy for trying to repo his car earlier this year. You couldn’t pay me enough to be a repo officer/tow truck driver.", "This is not a towing company, this is a repo. She is not being towed for her parking, she is being towed because she didn't pay for her car. The people towing the car are the owners, not the woman.", "Does this go for a car being repossessed for non payment? \n\nThe video description says this as well \"Me and my trainee found a vehicle that was up for repossession at a clinic. Well she ended up assaulting a spotter and causing a couple of hit and runs. She was arrested for hit and run as well as aggravated assault with a deadly weapon🤷🏻‍♂️ as she ran over someones toe.. PLZ \"", "Most tow truck drivers are scum anyways.\n\nHe sounded nice but, they are 100% predators.", ">There is no requirement of advance notice of a repossession in Texas, except for mobile homes. The lender can repossess your car if you are even one day late on your contract. The exception might be if the lender promised not to repossess upon receipt of certain payments.\n\nhttps://repossessionattorneys.com/repo-laws/texas/", "I see several other cars over that line lol", "This guy is parked on their lawn and is clearly doing damage to it. He was going to do further damage towing her out...she might be out of her mind, but this guy is also a selfish asshole.", "Your car either gets towed or it doesn't", "She actually wrecked the bank's car in the process", "Then you clearly haven’t read the scriptures.\nIt’s like page 2.\n„Thou shall not repo cars dude.“", "I used to work for a small auto auction in the repo dept. Took pictures and did condition reports for the bank. Also occasionally escorted people on the lot to get their property from the car (anything not attached basically). Amongst other things.\n\nHeard plenty of stories from the repo truck drivers like this, including people shooting guns at them as they drove off with it.", "The amount of Karens is like cats to a can of tuna opening.", "I don't think you understand the conditions for purchasing items on credit or with a loan.", "I think we found the lady from the video...", "No, I think the commenter thought this was a parking violation tow while it was actually a repo.", "Pretty sure it's a felony everywhere\n\nEDIT: it was pointed below that it's only a misdemeanor depending on damage/injuries in some states", "Are you being intentionally dense?", ">get to the impound\n\nCar wasn't going to an impound. It was a repossession.", "She’s not smart but….", "Damn, that means they have a nest near by... quick, get the tar and feathers, we got work to do.", "As a swede I have a hard time understanding reposessments. You can’t keep something you don’t own if you don’t pay your bills. Last outcome is police are gonna show up and collect your car.", "I think the above comment explains why they might be bad tempered!", "What is in Americas water?", "Also these people deal with repo men a lot it seems so of course they hate them. Broke losers", "Or another broke loser that deals with a lot of repo men", "Freedumb.", "Seems to be just hate on tow truck drivers. After reading that legal advice thread where the chick got towed out from under the gas pump while she was paying inside, I’d agree.", "She can buy a Nissan; they'll finance anyone as long as they have a pulse.", "Her problems really escalated with the hit and run.", "Cops aren’t gonna take your car. That’s why there are repo men.", "lol not even mad about that", "Right? Like what’s the fucking alternative here? Sounds like this dude is mad cause he lost a car he couldn’t afford.", "Nissan Pulsar...?", "I wanna disagree with you but I just cannot pull the shit's to give out of my ass for repo services. Kinda odd to say \"tow truck drivers\" tho. Are all Tow trucks repos?", "I feel like the companies that put boots are as well. Its dangerous as fuck to strand someone in the middle of a fucking city.", "It's got electrolytes", "Thats brutal, just lost your gas money and your car.", "I believe that would be a Versa here in the States. But she'd be able to get an Altima or Maxima too. I've heard of people getting 7-8 year loans at ridiculous interest rates from Nissan just to get their payments low enough.", "Do you think they do it for fun. Are you a child and don't understand jobs. Please don't breed", "You could always pay your bills. I don't know but that has helped me a lot. Try it", ">police are gonna show up and collect your car.\n\nThe last thing you want is for the police to represent the bank and do repo SMH", "The system failed her", "Yeah, I’m guessing this is a repo and not a ticket violation. She probably had very little equity in the car and just figured she needed it and wasn’t willing to let the bank have it back just yet.", "> As a swede\n\nHis cops aren't like ours....", "But if you keep something that isn’t yours it should be a police matter. It is kind of stealing. \n\nThis seems like the bank need to (within the law) steal the vehicle back. And if you can stop it, you can just keep on driving around.", "you have to be to do that job well.", "\"This has a different state license plate and therefore different laws, but let me ramble on about a different state law.\"", "> It looks like they're still in the parking lot where she is being towed from.\n\nCar is not being \"towed\", it's being repossessed. You're quoting towing laws. Learn the difference between nouns and adjectives.", "That wasn’t wrecked at all", "There's 0% chance that lady owns a towing company. Why do people bullshit like this?", "But can the police charge if the owners of the cars did not complain ? Looked like the other ladies were in support of the woman, if one of them owns the car they can decide not to complain", "Scum all around lol", "Legit not being sarcastic why dont they just sue her or press charges? Then when she fails to appear just put out a warrant then take the car while she's in jail?", "As a Swede you will have a hard time understanding anything in America ….", "Lead. It's called lead.", "Fuck tow truck drivers. Vultures. World would be a better place without their predatory \"business\". Not sure how they sleep at night.", "I hope OP breeds with your mom", "But in the case of (let's not do any research and just say \"most\") most repossessions, the repo man is hired by the owner to retrieve their property. Repo man repossesses the car and returns it to the owner.\n\nSituation resolved.\n\nWhen he have assholes like the driver in OP's video, then it turns into an actual police matter, with the destruction of property and leaving the scene and all that.", "Do you think doing something for money makes it not scummy? You sound like a college student from r/iamverysmart", "lol what on earth was she thinking? If you're old enough to buy a car, you're old enough to understand that actions have consequences.\n\nNow instead of just losing her car, she's gonna lose her car and at the very least be financially liable for the damage she did to those other cars, which I'm sure is not easy for someone who can't even make their car payments.\n\nMaybe don't buy a stupid fucking dodge SUV. Plenty of economy cars you could have gotten with lower payments.", "Yeah, tow truck drivers are just doing their job. Don’t park in a no parking zone and pay your bills. It’s almost like if you followed the rules you will never end up in a bad situation with them.", "Weird that a huge fan of shrooms is in here appealing to authority.", "This guy obviously doesn't live in a city like Chicago where illegal parking tickets are given out because the city is so broke. Or where parking lots have tow truck drivers sit inside a dunkin donuts and even if you buy something at the dunkin and then walk across the street to get something from the store they boot and tow you.", "I mean I have to give it to her \"who's embarrassing themselves now huh??!\"", "Most people are garbage at driving and parking.", "Straight to jail.", "But when the banks can't pay their bills and lose billions of our dollars on poor and fraudulent investment schemes nothing happens to them. In fact they get given money from the government as to not suffer. Another weird reddit comment chain where people feel bad for banks and stan for them having a right for them to screw over people in the name of accountability while they never deal with accountability themselves.", "I like how the property manager basically blamed the tow truck driver for what happened... Like it was his fault because \"he's not supposed to be repo'ing on the property\". Some backwards ass views right there... I'm willing to bet he was going to call the cops anyways because he was doing his job and that lady basically just stole that car, as it's no longer hers if it's being repo'd, and hit cars and took off.", "So every person who likes shrooms is a deadbeat who doesn't pay their bills? Sorry that's not my experience. Most of us are decent people", "It's quite hard to pay bills if you don't have the money. Which could happen for a multitude of reasons, like medical bills, insecure/variable income, unexpected repairs (vehicle, fridge). Meanwhile if you lose your car you might lose your job, putting you in an even worse position. \n \nOf course, a lot of people end up in bad situations because they're bad with money, or make bad life choices, but it's also quite possible to do everything right and still have your car repossessed because you were unlucky and e.g. had to spend all your money on an ambulance after your kid got hit by a drunk driver.", "Pulling this can probably net you grand theft too, because the car is not really theirs anymore if it's being repo'd. Considering it was half on the truck already there's probably some kind of theft charge available.", "Having a bad run of luck doesn't mean you get to not pay your bills. Your car should be repossessed. Imagine if everyone just said \"its not my fault so I wont pay bills and you cant reposess anything\". Grow up", "Everywhere you say?\n\nThat's it! I am off to review the traffic code for Antarctica to prove someone wrong on the internet. Don't wait up for me.", "Whoever was hit will have to pay for the damage themselves then, and I don't see that being likely... Considering they seem to be against the repo guy, I wouldn't doubt if they try to sue him/the company for the damage to the car. It probably won't work but they'll probably try.", "It's got what plants crave", "Sounds to me like your understand it entirely.\n\nDon't pay your bills? Don't expect to keep the thing you [aren't] paying for.", "Your argument against it being dangerous to leave a person stranded without a car in a city was “well she broke the law”. Just weird that you are making that argument when buying and promoting a schedule 1 substance is all I’m saying.", "Someone's been repo before", "Ok I am back. I think that you would be in contravention of the Antarctic Treaty, specifically sections 12(1), (d) and (h).", "Ye. But if you don’t return it voluntarily it should be a police matter. But it is not aparently.", "very little pity for people who get their cars repossessed. pay your god damn bills, cars aren't free", "Those things were shitboxes", "They are in no way connected. Are you serious with this, seems like trolling.", "If I were a judge and you had shipped your car thousands of miles away and managed to hit several vehicles in Antarctica I would be impressed enough to let you off with a warning.", "Just consider someone has a bad day/week/month. Driving really isn't a privilege in this country. You're relegated to second class citizen. Especially in Texas cities. Please don't be high and mighty on people whose life you only see a tiny snippet of. Like be a little more human than a bank. \n\nAlso it looked like her work. That situation would extra suck. The banks ain't broke. I bet she and this tow truck driver are though.", "LOL, to be fair he was dead wrong about she's not going anywhere.", "I hope your car never breaks down on the side of a highway.", "some companies are predators, but it's insane to say all tow truck drivers are scum. what do you think stops people from just parking where ever they want? if we didn't have tow truck drivers, people would just park in your drive way and tell you to eat shit", "The police generally don't get involved. The bank that you financed your vehicle through will send a private collection/tow company to repossesses the car.\n\nIf the psuedo-owner goes and does some illegal shit maybe the tow company will call the police.", "So free cars for everybody. In the real world you have to pay for things. When you grow up you will realize this.", "so according to your logic it's just okay for everyone to steal because the government thinks banks are too big to fail? wtf", "She must have been pretty stoked", "He did say “Pretty Sure”. So that leaves some vagueness to his statement. While you’re at it, could you check the driving rules on the moon too?", "Right eway", "I think you need to take more shrooms sunshine. \nPsychedelics will help you with your empathy.", "You can hear the gears in their heads turning trying to figure out who to blame, and all settling on the tow driver since he’s the only one still there.", "American entitlement makes more sense if you just watch tik tok all day.", "I think most normal people who have an interaction with tow-truck drivers are in situations where they get towed for parking somewhere or after an accident. Repo is a different game. It's one thing to have your car towed (many times illegally) and held as hostage until you pay some ridiculous fee.... but it's quite another to have your car towed not paying for it and the owner reprocessing it.", "Never said it did. I was just pointing out that your \"just have money\" suggestion completely ignores the reality of being poor.", "Well, you could, not break the parking rules, and pay your bills.", "There needs to be protection for people who may fall on hard times. Especially in today's world. You cant generalize everyone under the statement of \"pay your god damn bills\".", "Believe it or not, if you call the companies and work with them they will generally help you solve the problems of payment. Just don’t stop paying. \n\n(Source, me, had to do it before)", "Yeah, someone in the background is trying to call the cops on the tow truck driver claiming they didn’t authorize him to tow from their property, saying, “I own a tow company, you can’t do this” and he’s like, “yeah, you don’t own a repo company, then, because I can repo from any property…”", "You are arguing in favor of a company being able to strand a person in a city because they broke the law while actively and proudly braking a pretty serious law. It’s fine if you just don’t like poor people but your arguments really shouldn’t be appealing to authority if you obviously don’t care much for authority yourself.", "Sold nissans. Can confirm. \n\nI once had a lady call the dealership to see if we work with people who had repossessions. I said yes, and Then asked how long ago her car was repossessed and she said Tuesday. \n\nI replied back, ma’am it’s Thursday and had to mute the phone so she wouldn’t hear the rest of the office busting up laughing.", "Seriously, I have no sympathy for those people. Glad his stupid little repo truck was wrecked.", "I think she doesn’t own a repo company, just the kind that patrols lots that promise to tow you if you’re parked in a spot that doesn’t belong to you", "You just ask someone if they're a child? What are you? A pedo?", "Dayuuuuuum!!!!", "Thanks. I missed that with the sound off.", "I hope you seriously fall on hard times someday and lose everything.", "This is the dumbest thing I’ve seen this morning.", "Ah yes, that is totally a thing that would happen. People are just dying to leave one of their most valuable possessions in the driveway of a stranger.", "There's a pamphlet for that.\nDon't buy things you can't afford!\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3ZJKN_5M44", "\"I own a towing company\" = I have a AAA membership", "Wow 2 crazy ladies", "She is in serious trouble", "The “protection” comes via personal responsibility by not buying a car you can’t afford. Pretty sure the chick in the video had more affordable options than a newer Dodge Durango.\n\nThe overwhelming majority of repos happen to people who had no business buying the car in the first place.", ">Sorry that's not my experience.\n\nYou LOST your job jackass. You most certainly would have lost your car as well if you had one you were paying on.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DoesAnybodyElse/comments/o5xyo8/hae_been_on_unemployment_the_entire_pandemic/\n\n>I was laid off from my job in December 2019 before the pandemic started. Obviously when shit hit the fan I put job seeking off and my state waived the requirement to look. I keep saying I am going to look but my state just kept giving me extensions without me even applying. Now it's been 18 months and I am getting to this weird place were I can't fathom going back. I know I have to but its been so long. --edb138", "Very, very few lenders (if any) are going to repossess on the first day of a missed payment, even if legally they can. Once you repo a car your odds of getting any of the remaining money you were owed are basically zero, and you have to pay the repo company. You're losing money in that scenario. Almost any financing company will try to work with you if you contact them because they'd rather take a delay and then have the full payment stream resume than cut it off completely. Companies repo cars because someone stopped making payments and then kept not making payments.\n\nPay your god damn bills.", "I know I should feel bad about laughing at this anecdote...", "I dont believe that's what they were trying to say, i believe they're saying the system is fucked on both sides but both sides are against consumers", "I think we can agree there are good tow truck drivers who help and there are also predatory tow truck drivers who exist purely to make a profit off someone else's mistake.\n\nMy guess is you've seen both in your life. \n\nSo yeah. Fuck the predatory ones.", "Uh....did you watch the video? Because that didn't happen. She damaged her car and two other cars. The tow truck looked fine.", "She hit and damaged his vehicle too.. may be minor but it’s gotta be something. Where do they draw the legal line of a hit and run.", "Actually, you're very wrong. Jon Oliver did a whole segment on repoing cars. They will absolutely repo it on the first day and lease it out again. They had one car that traded hands like 13 times in a couple years. They don't give a shit\n\nEDIT: [Here's a link to the video.]( https://youtu.be/4U2eDJnwz_s) it was 8 times in 3 years.", "Police represent the bank/owner and do evictions, though.", "Who's the lady that comes up trying to defend her telling him he can't tow lol. What a dumbass. She owns \"this property\" and a towing company, damn she's doing well for herself. /s", "So there’s no way her insurance will cover her for these damages, right? They should just pay out everyone whose car she damaged and then sue her to get the money back.", "Double felony in Texas tho.", "That's what the repo men are for. People generally know they are going to get repossessed and start hiding their cars. Police aren't going to take the time to do a full investigation and track the vehicle down. The banks pay the repo men to do that. Sometimes it's as easy as going to their house or place of work and finding the car in the driveway, other times they may have to do a little detective work and plan out the best time to grab it.", "Could you read those to the court for the record, Mr Black SuN?", "I’m just confused why you’re explaining California law for something that happened in Texas. There’s no relevancy", "When you sign a contract, contractual obligations are contractual. That's civil law, not criminal law.", "No like if someone accidentally parks in a spot and gets booted instead of a ticket.", "Negative, where i live in Washington, it's a misdemeanor if the property struck is unattended:\n\n[RCW 46.52.010 (3) \"Any person violating this section is guilty of a misdemeanor.\"](https://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=46.52.010)\n\nOut of curiosity, I decided to fact check /u/ComfortableProperty9 and he/she is wrong as well: \n\nMisdemeanor to leave if no bodily harm in Texas\n\n[Tex. Transp. Code Sec. 550.022.c.(2) \"a Class B misdemeanor, if the damage to all vehicles is $200 or more.\"](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/docs/tn/htm/tn.550.htm)", "Repo boy should be ticketed for parking over a curb and in the grass. Regardless of the situation repo bitches are scum and should be treated as such.", "It's civil law, thank God. Or do you want debtors prisons?", "Correct, and other people are so judgemental and critical of citizens, who in many cases are being exploited by predatory loan offerings and etc and are just trying to get by, while ignoring said criticism towards banks who are \"too big to fail\" due to purposely degrading, via lobbying, the checks and balances established to prevent that. Additionally the too big to fail concept is nonsense. Millions of people suffered due to fraudulent banking practices in 2008 but no bank executives suffered under the guise that if they had, it would greatly impact citizens. It was circular logic that led to executives taking massive bonuses while peoples homes were foreclosed on due to said banks exploiting them with non qualified mortgages. Retirement portfolios are still picking up the pieces, pensions still being slashed, and the banks are back at it with their lobbying to now remove the checks and balances that were placed following 2008 with Dodd Frank. This doesn't even account for the millions of lives that were effected and lost by banks monetizing the commodities market as a for-profit entity, which led to price exploitation by investment banks that led to the literal starvation of millions globally. \n\nBut yes redditors, go off on people who were given predatory loans and couldn't afford to pay it so they acted irrationally to not lost their only home or means of transportation.", "Or protection can be laws that keep the lenders in line while giving them reasonable steps to repossess. Banks and businesses didn't just come together one day and decide that 100% interest rates are unethical or impractical that had to be helped along by some guy going into the bank and flipping tables.\n\nYour \"reasonable\" take completely ignores the incredibly destructive housing bubble caused by lenders a little over a decade ago. Did you forget about that one or were you in huggies?", "People fall on hard time. They could afford it then times got tough. A new baby, you lost your job or got injured and can't work.", "Okay, I’m not kidding here. There was a local tow truck driver that got so high on power (and whatever else?) that he started getting really creepy with lots of women and was generally a douche. He ended up being shot by his neighbor, who finally had it with his assholery. \n\nAnd people hated the tow truck driver so much they set up a go fund me to defend the killer. \n\nhttps://medium.com/@Robert_Dean/even-in-death-people-still-hate-the-worst-dude-in-new-orleans-76a334d340a1", "R/idiotsincars", "Do you think failure to appear at a civil case would be criminal? I think it's voluntary and the primary consequence would be a less favorable default judgement.", "This wonan is probably bad with money based on the car she was driving.", "Sue them civilly to try to get your money back AND press charges for theft and breach of contract criminally. Do both. Two different court cases.", "Uh….not OP but the truck clearly was clipped. Did you watch the video?", "This isn't a tow truck. It's a repo truck who reposeses cars from people who stopped paying of their debt for the said car.", ">Are all Tow trucks repos?\n\nthey have the equipment, knowledge and time to do it; it would be silly if they didn't", "Maybe that protection can include not needing a brand new huge SUV that you obviously can't afford", "She clipped a steel fender. Like I said, the truck looked fine.", "Fun fact: all you have to do is get in the car. Legally, they cannot tow a car with a person in it, as that would be kidnapping. Once you get in the car, they have to drop it. United States of course", "No one was forced to sign up for zero money down adjustable rate mortgages over a decade ago. I bought my house in 2002 and I read every page of the 70 page mortgage agreement prior to signing. The mortgage agent said that I was the only person that read the whole thing before signing. \n\nThe problem in these cases is that people just sign for shit without understanding the consequences. Just because your can (barely) afford that new house or car payment doesn't mean you should go ahead and buy it. \n\nAlso, basic contract language and interest concepts should be mandatory learning in high school before anyone is old enough to sign away their financial stability for a new shiny thing. Truth in lending laws were supposed to help with this but unfortunately a lot of people still ignore or misunderstand the simplified explanations.", "Driving absolutely is a privilege. That’s why you have to take a test and get a license for it.", "Adam carolla did this once", "If you suddenly cannot afford it if you fall on hard times then you cannot afford it. Get something super cheap and save the difference for a rainy day. This isn't housing or food. No one needs a relatively new massive SUV.", "Crazy, or desperate? Guessing this was a repo, and you're lucky if you live in a part of the country where you can get by without a car.", "If it pleases the court, the accused stands in violation of the Antarctic Environmental Protection Act, specifically Section 12(1) (d) and (h).\n\n(a) use a vehicle or vessel, including a hovercraft and a small boat, in a manner that disturbs any concentration of native birds or seals;\n\nIf it pleases the court, the accused stands in violation of the Antarctic Treaty, specifically Section 12(1) (d) and (h). g on it, or in any other manner;\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\I pulled the above from the Canadian agreement, the US text is substantially the same and found Sec 3. (11)-(9)(B),(F)\n\n[https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/964/text?r=3&s=1](https://www.congress.gov/bill/103rd-congress/house-bill/964/text?r=3&s=1)", "gottem", "\"Fartburgerz\" above said, \"Tow truck drivers\"", "Sir? Excuse me sir! Sir? Sir? Excuse me sir!", "That repo driver has footage and personal info (name, license plate #, year/make/model) that would be very handy to the people with the damaged cars. They are lucky this footage (and his memory) didn't get \"lost\" when they started giving him shit for towing \"illegally\".", "So buy a car you can afford", "Wow that's bad. I know I'm not in that situation or anything but why these people don't just buy a used Toyota or something reliable is beyond me. People are so concerned with having a new car.", "If i take so many shrooms I defend scum bags that don't pay their bils then I should take less. I don't want to be like you man. I am serious you are a pathetic POS", "Yeah basically. Dodge, Nissan, and Kia/Hyundai are the same company but from different countries.", "Breaking contractual obligations is not a criminal offence, thank God. When a country does that they end up with debtors prisons and even more power and control for the wealthy.\n\nYou already know this: why isn't Trump in jail for failing to pay countless vendors? Because they agreed to a contract.", "There have* been documented cases of financial institutions illegally repossessing vehicles (both through dubious undisclosed loan terms & faking paperwork), but that’s entirely separate from the towing company.", "Most people are garbage", "\"In some cases, a civil breach of contract may escalate into criminal theft if the state can prove a defendant acted with fraudulent intent. Under Section 31.03 of the Texas Penal Code, theft occurs when one person “unlawfully appropriates property” from another.\"\n\nhttps://tadlaw.com/can-breach-contract-lead-criminal-charges/\n\nContractors have been hauled into court and sentenced to prison time. \n\nJust 6 years ago I was deposed for my friends trial because his mechanic was sued by 3 different people for breach contract. He made an estimate, got paid, then let the car sit for a year.\n\nDebtors prisons are not a thing because even though you broke your contract with (in this case) Nissan, you can call them and say \"Hey, I got laid off, I can't make payments, how do I return this car back to you?\" That's good faith. You're doing your best. \n\nThis woman is not doing that. This is theft.", "They can't drive off with you in it, but they don't have to drop it. Who has more time to wait, the person being paid to do the job or this woman?", "Lol yeah repo isn't just towing.", "Considering they get paid by the run and not by the hour, I’d say the old lady had the edge if she knew she had it", "Huh TIL but that makes sense!", "The life of a Repo Man is always intense.", "My dude, you say basic interest concepts should be mandatory learning.\n\nI can't say for the US, but pretty sure they are here in Aus.\n\nThat doesn't mean people actually learn. It's not a problem of responsibility so much as it's a problem of people. You are talking from a position of someone who seems fairly intelligent. Not everyone is like that. You can teach them all you want about being responsible with money and proper budgeting, but if it doesn't stick, then new shiny car on a $0 up front loan or whatever is just gonna keep on happening.\n\nThis is why regulation is important, to prevent people from taking advantage of the less intelligent or less educated.", "Towing is an insane legal gray area. They can charge whatever the fuck they want to let you take the car out of the impound lot. When my car got towed they claimed it was “hard to retrieve” out of the parking spot and charged me an extra $250.", "Pay your bills.", "Or maybe. Just maybe... there are cases where you could afford it at the time and then hit hard times such as downsizing or sicknesses or family emergencies, or a million other things that can happen to people. \n\nNever assume what you don't know.\n\nJFC I want to live in the world you live where nothing ever goes wrong.", "Eh. Every tow driver I've interacted with has been fine. I was illegally parked. Shit happens.\n\nYou should probably check out /r/amitheasshole sometime.", "Poverty and bad schools.", "You are right. I just find the cat and mouse situation so strange. As long as the repoman cant find / take your car you are fine. \nI guess it has quite bad financial consequences if you keep your car like this though. But people behaving like this might already be drowning in debt.", "THEY DON'T HAVE MONEY!!!", "That only works if you aren't upside down in a car. They could have a five year deal where the first two years just pay off the interest, with the remaining three paying off the car itself. You wouldn't be able to sell the car and get something cheaper in that situation, as the balance on your loan is higher than what the cars worth.", "Until you return to the parking lot and see (or don't see) your car, the car is both towed and not towed.", "Sure, fraud is fraud. Fraud is covered by criminal law. \n\nFor leases, the lessee already holds possession. They have failed to meet the terms of the contract when they stop paying. That gives the lessor the right to take possession and other remedies under the contract. The lessee isn't immediately a criminal for not meeting the terms of the contract.\n\nWhat the woman did was try to illegally take possession of her vehicle from an agent of the lessor. Sometime around when the car was lifted she lost possession under the law. We both agree that what she did is theft.\n\nEdit clarifying where I disagree with you:\n\nThere is no such thing as \"breach of contract, criminally\". There is theft by deception and fraud in some situations, but only when it can be shown that one party's intentions were to not fulfill the contract. You can drive around on a breached lease for a long time without criminal consequences. This may seem unfair, but any other alternative inevitably leads to debtors prisons.", "I bet that she doesn't have insurance either. Good luck getting her to pay for the damages.", "So if you bought your cars 3 years ago on a 5 year loan but in year 3, you get fired and have no income, you want them to hop in a fucking time machine and undo their car purchase 3 years prior?\n\nfucking lmao", "It’s not a fender, it’s the tow hitch. \n\nDo you think those are free? Lol, what a hill to die on.", "I got towed from an apartment complex lot while I was on duty as a nurse visiting a sick, just discharged from the hospital resident. The tow company eventually let me have my van when I kissed his ass enough. It was 12/23. My kids’ gifts were in my van. There was literally NO visitor parking at the complex.", "They gotta make a living just like everyone else.", "\"He said I wasn't going anywhere, and I took that personally.\"", "under park? jail.\n\nover park? jail.\n\nunder park/over park. jail.", "Obvious she wasn't thinking", "Presumably he could just call the cops, no? IANAL but I imagine the fact that the car is being repo'd means it's no longer her property, and by sitting in it when asked not to she's effectively trespassing.", "If at any point you lose your job and cannot afford your next car payment you spent too much.\n\nI'll do the math for you. OK, you bought a car 3 years ago but instead of buying a massive SUV you buy an old Corolla. Now 3 years later you have saved 2/3 of the price of that SUV every damn month. Holy shit, you now have 6 years of payments to easily pay off that Corolla and even some cash left over.\n\nHow is this shit tough to understand? If we are talking about someone with no access to public transit and they are driving an older reasonably priced vehicle I can have some sympathy. If you are buying a newer huge SUV and you cannot even pay your next payment if you lose your job, you are an idiot.", "I don't think you get the point. You save the money that you didn't spend on the massive new SUV. You could easily get an older car for 1/3 the price. Now you have cash on hand for any number of things including car payments if you lose your job. Amazing how that works, huh?", "That was hilarious.", "The parked car should be 100% repo man's fault. This reminds me of the bounty hunter incident in the state of Texas. Some idiot bounty hunters walks into a car dealership to arrest a bounty. Bounty resisted and all 3 of them, bounty and the hunters, are dead. Same situation here, the person who is getting repo'd is clearly resisting and is a danger to public. If the repo man just dropped her car this would never have happened. Laws need to be amended to prosecute these reckless repo businesses.", "She guilty of leaving scene of accident.\n\nAs repo man he may be [guilty of disturbing peace.](https://www.consumeradvocates.org/blog/2013/when-does-lender-breach-peace-while-repossessing-motor-vehicle) Could be state specific, but seems that she can tell him [no - you can't take car](https://www.lawtoncates.com/blog/3-thing-you-didnt-know-you-could-do-to-stop-a-car-reposession). And him messing up the grass, is also a [no-no](https://judsonecrump.com/can-the-repo-man-do-that/).\n\nEDIT: Doing some more research on the youtube channel, seems guy is in TX. He is [definitely guilty of breaching the peace](https://www.leinartlaw.com/blog/car-repossession-texas/).", "It's a repossession, they can come on private property to tow your vehicle. They cant break in to a locked facility, but they can absolutely come on to a private parking lot.", "It works if you can reverse time lmao.", "Yep. Makes no sense to me. So often it's simple theft followed by extortion.", "And she's right, he's in TX and if owner argues with him about him taking the car, [he's guilty of breaching the peace](https://www.leinartlaw.com/blog/car-repossession-texas/).\n\nEDIT: But she's also guilty because she can't prevent the repossession because she has a security agreement with lender.", "In the world I live in, people do not assume that they will be able to afford a brand new SUV unless they actually can afford it.\n\nAlso, any plan that relies on good luck is a terrible plan.", "Oh it's too delicious", "or how about this, make the correct choice in the first place. You know, the damn point. No one should be bailing out someone overspending on a vehicle. Just because you can afford it right now does not mean you didn't overspend. You have to prepare for down times. They always happen. ALWAYS.", "I've had predatory telemarketers try tell me that too. How you make a living is a personal decision; if you choose a nasty, shitty, ugly way to do it, that's on you.", "Well if he's repossessing the vehicle, that means she's still making payments on it. Auto Loan companies typically require you to maintain insurance on your vehicle for the life of the loan.\n\nThough that could be why he's repossessing it in the first place.", "While I don't doubt that this is a legal repossession (The people complaining at the end of the video are flat out wrong. Repo Men can come on to private property to take a vehicle, they just cant break in to locked facilities.), this guy is a shit tow truck operator.\n\nThat's not a FWD vehicle and he's towing from the front, he should have disconnected the drive shaft before he even started to move the vehicle. That stops the transmission from being damaged and would have stopped her from driving off like this.", "Same site as you linked to\n\n>(4) taking the car after an oral objection by the consumer, made before the car is hooked up;\n\n>(6) blocking or lifting the vehicle while someone was in it; \n\nGuy may be guilty of breach of peace. She's definitely guilty of damaging the car and leaving, but that doesn't absolve his possible guilty.", "He's a repo man. He's not being predatory. She either didn't pay for her car or did something else that forced the seizure of it.", "Him blocking the road could be considered breaching the peace?", "She hit both the hitch and clipped his fender - and the tow hitch also looked fine considering it is made of steel, on a swivel, and the truck operator appeared to be completely unconcerned about any damage existing on his truck and instead focused on the other cars.", "You think someone like this thinks about \"equity\" probably was like \"the fuck is GAP insurance, no one needs that\" during the paper signing.", "Because an appeal to authority works on them so they project the same logical fallacy when they're trying to seem authoritative.", "Old lady? She looked to be in her late 30s and wearing scrubs? What video did you watch?", "Not to mention, she's in scrubs so you know this is her work. Like what job to you have where you pull this in the parking lot and expect to not be fired?", "That is 100% speculation on your part.", "Wrong comment response bud, not the one who said she was old.", "If you don't pay your bills you can't keep your shit. What's so nasty, shitty, ugly about that?", "I’m going to take a guess and say the car was already hooked up when she came out, obviously. She definitely didn’t sit in the car the whole time and let him lift it then all the sudden decide to get away. \n\nHe handled it correctly.. just back off and don’t try to stop them.", "There's zero citation for that claim and then the very next paragraph they state that breaching the peace is ill defined in Texas law. I'm going to call bullshit on that article, especially given that it's posted by an attorney. They want to open up the number of people they hear cases from so that they get more customers.", ">The mortgage agent said that I was the only person that read the whole thing before signing.\n\nProbably because all of the papers were available to you prior to the closing... why the fuck didn't you read all the paperwork on your own time instead of wasting everyone else's?", "Everything's bigger in Texas, including repair bills.", "I doubt it. He's literally doing his job that he has full legal authority to do. If anything she's the one blocking the road by impeding his ability to do his job so he can leave.", "Oooh the bank, what are they gonna do, double repossess it?", "How is it so fucking hard for you to understand that people's lives change massively in just a few years. What's affordable by your own damn rules in year one may not be in year three. Health care costs which make up a major amount of bankruptcies in the US are out of control. \n\nMy wife had a procedure that was just denied by the insurance that puts us on the hook for a nice new car involuntarily. If I can't get it resolved to get them to cover the claim, they legally have the right to evict us from our house. \n\nThe system is so slanted against people that fall in hard times and you're in here preaching that a goddamn Corolla will solve everything? Fuck off.", "At the apartment I lived in senior year of college they were brutal. The apartment complex gave them carte blanche to enforce however they saw fit. People got towed for “being too close to the line”. One guy visiting my neighbor parked, went inside to get the parking pass for visitors and they were hooking up his car to be towed in the time it took him to get back. And often times when someone would go to get the car something like a spark plug would be mysteriously missing from the car but you’d be in luck because the impound lot just happened to have one they’d be happy to install for you.", "This is like a child's opinion. Are you a child?", "You don't think she would have driven away before it was hooked up if she was already in it ?", "Maybe that protection should instead include a car dealer or bank seeing that you cannot afford that SUV and not selling it to you. A lot of people are ignorant when it comes to finances, and have no fucking idea what they can afford - they only realize that they're in far over their head a few months in.\n\nMore than likely, though... in this case, this car possibly came from a \"no credit check required\" predatory car lot that self-finances vehicles for stupidly high rates, practically running their whole business model on people paying a couple thousand dollars down, making a few stupidly expensive payments, and then stopping when they cannot afford it. These scum-sucking shitbags bank on the car being repoed and going back on the lot for another sucker to pay that down payment and start it all over again.", "Well if she did enough damage to it then it's not worth what she owes on it then she's still going to owe that money", "People are not able to predict the future as you are suggesting. A car is some people need in the US. We have shit public transport that simply does not service more than half the population.", "You're either a lawyer or a goddamn idiot if you think you understand the ramifications of those 70 pages. No one, even college educated people, will fully understand mortgage documents without a lawyer because of the complicated legal precedents involved. Do all the reading you like. Have a nice expansive vocabulary and college graduate grasp of grammar. It won't help, because you didn't study the law. \n\nSo you might want to get down off that horse before you fall and break your neck. Because it's a damn shame you're in here blaming the majority of people who didn't understand the ramifications of their choices when they were specifically led there by predators that did know.\n\nCongrats, you've mastered the art of victim blaming 101.", "It's possible that the car was hooked up before she jumped in to the drivers seat.\n\nI highly doubt that she would have cooperated up to that point were she in the drivers seat the whole time.", "It literally takes three seconds to find hundreds of sources saying the exact same thing... Maybe do some research before blindly dismissing a source?\n\n“[E]ven in attempted repossession of a chattel off a street, parking lot or unenclosed space, if repossession is verbally or otherwise contested at actual time of and in immediate vicinity of attempted repossession by defaulting party or other person in control of chattel, secured party must desist and pursue his remedy in court.”\n\nThe Court of Appeals of Texas, Houston (14th Dist.) explained in Chapa v. Traciers & Assocs., 267 S.W.3d 386, 395 (Tex. Ct. App. 2008):", "You buy it when you can afford it, then you suffer personal disasters which make it so you can no longer afford it. How is that predictable?", "Yeah…. You’re still in Huggies now if you think my tax dollars should be spent on helping people who make dip-shit financial decisions. Stop making excuses for lazy people who can’t be bothered to read/research what they’re signing and crunch some numbers before they buy.\n\nMost people who lost their home during the previous housing market crash because of the loan they signed had it coming. The Internet and calculators were very much a thing back when they were signing the loan documents.", "Agree. I’m guessing it’s actually a lease with low money down, so not much financial skin in the game if it gets repo’d trashed.", "It’s very easy to determine if you’re signing up for a fixed rate mortgage or not, don’t be a fucking moron.", "I am certain people will complain about this but would it not have been better for the tow truck driver to just put the damn car down and let her leave.", "I worked as a repo man my first two years out of college. I'm enjoying reading all the 'expert' opinions in the comments.", "She and the repo driver are both at fault. He should have just dropped her car to deescalate the situation", "And as everyone in Texas knows, 3 felonies is punishable by the death penalty. Which is of course administered by fire-ants. And just having 1 felony means you can't eat or work at Whataburger anymore.", "At first I thought, \"good thing US cops do do repos. There would be all sorts of shootings.\" Then I thought, \"what repo man wouldn't think to carry a gun?", "That tow guy sounds like a scumbag too", "No, you don't \"buy it when you can afford it.\"\n\nYou buy it when you are certain you will be able to pay for it.\n\nLife is not predictable, you have to plan for that. It is called \"living within your means.\"", "Don't modern cars have kill switches in them for repos or is that car science fiction?", ">Or do you want debtors prisons? \n\nI swear, some of these commenters sound like they really do", "Oh it’s meant to be hit by a speeding car? That’s engineering for you - they’ve thought of everything.", "I'm sorry I don't know who hurt you or why your so angry but it's ok. \nDude, for real you have no idea what's going on in this person's life. It could be any number of things and things aren't always black and white. \n\nAnd yea if you take any psychedelics man you stand a real good chance of catching some empathy and stand to grow emotionally every time you kill your fragile little ego.", "To stop this, all you need to do is get in the car. You can’t tow an occupied vehicle. If they start moving, call the cops.", "Wait, wait, wait. Are you telling me that the attorney's take on this thing is correct and the random jerkwad on reddit is wrong? Color me shocked.", "You're assuming that people that signed up for an ARM were aware that it was a bad choice. They were specifically told it was not with loads of false promises about refinancing. Yet you're in here saying it was 100% on the borrowers, despite lenders lying. I'm the moron?!", "She hit his vehicle with her car. Twice, as per your comment. I’m glad you were able to assess any damage from your review. \n\nI’m sure he’ll get around to videotaping his truck after dealing with the the busy bodies swarming him.", "You're a moron if you think you can plan to be certain of anything. That's not how risk planning and mitigation works.", "As long as he's not doing donuts, the lawn will be fine.", ">Same situation here, the person who is getting repo'd is clearly resisting and is a danger to public.\n\nShe caused the damage to the other vehicles. Therefore she is responsible. Are you stupid or something?", "Who said tax dollars? \n\n\nThe loans were predatory. I'm not sure why you think it's the great equalizer of the free hand of the market allows a bunch of rich people to syphon money off of poor people. Then you pay taxes to support those corps and taxes to support the welfare that those poor people are getting to close the gap from their jobs since the employers hand out food stamp applications, but you are right it's just those evil low income people being the issue.", "Not that I'm qualified to explain, but my understanding is:\n\nThe law in the US is split between civil and criminal. Criminal matters are things like theft, assault, or breaking/entering and are usually the state bringing an indictment against an entity on behalf of the people of the US. Civil cases are when one entity accuses another of not carrying out their legal obligations (usually financial disputes).\n\nIn this case, that lady did a hit and run which the police would care about- there's a state law in TX about hit and runs. But she also didn't pay the individual or company she owes for buying the car on a loan or credit so that's the Civil part they won't care about, that's just a breach of a private contract. If the car was stolen the police should try to get it back but if it's a deadbeat with a loan, that's the problem of the person who made the loan so the lender may hand it off to a private company to collect on. This escalated, in my view, from a civil dispute to a state felony.\n\nIf the tow/repo company can't get the property away from you, it's not a breach of criminal law to refuse to return it until the court orders you to do it. They're likely trying to circumvent serving her with court papers and getting her in a courtroom and having a judge sign off on the specific case. If they did all that and the judge orders her to return the property she would have to return it by law as you expected initially. Here they are just trying to secure it for themselves knowing she has no legal claim to it.\n\nHow does it work in Sweden? My sister in law is from Stockholm, I've been a few times before C19 started.", "no, turns out i'm an adult with years of people i know whinning about getting their cars repossessed and turns out they didn't pay their payments for months and just ignored contact attempts from the bank. if anything, you'd have to be a child to think someone would just give you a free car", "dude, it ALREADY HAPPENS and the only recourse is to call a tow company to get cars towed out of places they don't belong in. i frequently see posts in r/legaladvice about what to do because neighbors keep on parking in someone else's driveway. i've known multiple people who've had to deal with similar issues. plus at my own workplace we have an issue of people leaving cars parked in important spots in the parking lot for weeks and at worst YEARS and we have to tow them.", "Tbf she clearly couldn’t afford a car in the first plce", ">You're a moron\n\nAnd blocked", "> Especially in today's world.\n\nyeah, repos have been frozen for like 18 months.", "> They had one car that traded hands like 13 times in a couple years. They don't give a shit\n\nwhat are they supposed to do? throw the car away? give it away for free? if you had a $10k dollar car, sold it and the check bounced, would you just shrug and say \"well they're probably have a hard time so they can just keep it\". no, you'd try to get paid or repo the car. and if you sold it 13 times and the check bounced 13 times then you'd do the same thing", "Hawaii is one state where a tow truck (not a repo) has to drop your car if the owner of the car (or the person on the rental car contract) catches the tow truck before they leave the property. Tow truck driver can't charge, either.", "\"Lady\"", "Ty. I hope yours doesn’t either.", "Don't we already have that? We have unemployment insurance for that exact reason. And I get that there are sometimes extenuating circumstances, but in this case there is absolutely no reason that lady needed to be driving around in a $30k Durango. It's people like her that ruin it for everyone else. I bet that for every 1 person that has truly fallen on hard times there are 10 other financially irresponsible idiots that walk into a dealership with $500 in their bank account and a 640 credit score and drive away in $25K car with high APR loan that gets repossessed within 6 months.\n\nScummy dealerships love these kinds of idiots. It's a win-win for them. Either they collect a crazy APR on the loan or they repo the car after a few months of collecting high-interest payments and sell it to the next idiot that does the same thing, basically selling the same car over and over again.", "A 5 year loan?\n\nIt'll be worth more than the loan then, and they can buy a used car for the difference.\n\nA 50k vehicle is worth more than 20k after three years, assuming it's been handled well.", "So in other words it didn't affect the bank at all since it didn't change what they're trying to collect from her.", "Something tells me you had a car repo'd at one point and are still a little salty about it", "why not? just to create an arbitrary job called \"repo man\"?", "Idk what kind of tiny backwoods town you live in but in the city cops have better things to do", "This whole matter could have been avoided if, when pressed, the repo man returned the vehicle to her possession and then reported back that he was refused.\n\nThen engage the police to escort when you come back.", "like killing unarmed people of color, or imprisoning immigrants in concentration camps?", "Yup", "Cause this person is lying.", "Nope, just pointing out the obvious", "Fuck, that Karen brigade at the end...", "Can I get an ELI5 for the non-legal speaking Redditors?", "It sounds hyperbolic, but I'm inclined to agree with 100%.\n\nI've definitely been helped on the very rare occasion by a AAA call to get towed when my car has broken down. That's a totally useful service for the community.\n\nBut I know these guys don't pay the bills by only offering owner requested services. They make their cash swooping in and stealing cars that may or may not be parked illegally, and hold your car ransom, while charging you obscene prices for the luxury of \"storing\" your car until you pay.\n\nThat's the gig.\n\nEdit - also, they'll happily damage your car in the process. Good luck proving it was them that damaged it if you don't have video.", "Only place they can not tow from is private property that is gated\n\nBut they will sneak their ass through the gate if they are able", "According to the YT uploader it was a repo. Not sure why she was losing it in the first place, and I'm not one to defend repo companies who are often shady as hell.\n\nBut now she's apparently being charged with aggravated assault and some other stuff. She apparently ran over someone's foot, too. So whether Repo Man there was in the right or not, she ended up making things far worse for herself.", "I was a manager at a Pizza Hut with a tiny parking area and the fucking tightwad that owned the Crossfit gym next door kept his fucking beat-up truck with no plates permanently occupying one of the spots in our lot. The whole pizza place and parking area was sort of hidden by a bar and you only went over there if you were getting pizza so it was obvious this guy was hiding his truck and just moving it around so it didn't stand out.\n\nThis went on for damn near a year and I always asked him when he was going to move his little shitbox out of our lot and it'd be real nice if, y'know, the actual delivery drivers could utilize one of our closest spots instead of parking at the bar and hoofing it. Always, \"I'm getting the paperwork on it finished\" or some other placating bullshit.\n\nI finally had enough and called the tow company listed on the signs in the lot. Dude flew into my store in a fucking rage later that day yelling about how I could have just talked to him about moving it.\n\nI told him I had no idea who called about his piece of shit truck but if he wanted to stand in my restaurant and harass me and my employees then I'd be calling our security company.\n\nThe truck was back the next week with plates, it stayed out in the larger lot for the rest of the plaza and douchebro stopped making eye contact with us. Finally, a win.", "See you next Tuesday.", "if you work for a repo or tow company you are automatically a piece of shit", "But towing a car is somehow an outrageous thing only \"back woods town\" cops would do", "I see you’re in need of attention but I’m gonna have to ask you to look somewhere else. Bye.", "Texas is the only state I've ever seen that before.", "This week on Operation Repo...", "I feel for the [towing](https://www.delandtowing.com) operator. He's dealing with the hit and run. Then people come for him afterward who aren't making sense. I thought he handled it well and stood up for himself and his business. I'd be speechless the whole time.", "They're doing a service on the part of the creditor. She wouldn't even have the car in the first place if the creditor had no way to ensure payment.", "Damn. So true. That's all the police do in America. So true. Thank you for speaking YOUR truth. Bless. Mmm.", "What's with all of the apologists in here on the side of the scumbag who won't pay her bills?", "You don't think repo work is shitty?", "Not to mention her insurance is going to have to cover damages on all the cars she hit, including her own. This being on video and coming with criminal charges is not going to be good to the outcome of that claim .", "Whats wrong? get something taken away you didn't pay for... was it a candy bar?", "If the owner calls bullshit on the repo attempt at the time the attempt is being made, the repo’er is supposed to back off and pursue the matter further in court.", "Understood. The pronouns threw me off, but that's what I thought I read.", "It's a tough job but it's a necessary one.", "Reposessions are often done in a hurry. You hook up the car, drive it down the block, and then you worry about the drive shaft.\n\nI doubt taking an extra 10-20 minutes to disconnect a drive shaft would have helped him out here. It would have only put him in the way of physical harm and given her a chance to drive off. The whole point is that repos take place in a matter of minutes.", "Are people being forced into this shitty line of work, then? Or are they actively choosing to do a nasty, shitty, ugly job, which was precisely my fucking point in the first place?", "Despite all the help wanted signs posted on every street corner these days, it's not always that easy to find a good paying job. I try not to judge other people for what they have to do to provide a living for themselves and their loved ones, but you go right ahead.", "Lolyeah the amount of redditors praising a repo man cuz a Karen got owned.", "What the fuck are you talking about? The guy I replied to said that the won't repo the car immediately. I said it's not true. I said they absolutely would repo it immediately and then provided a link to a report about it.", "Of course I'm going to judge people by what they choose to do, you fucking mong. We judge people by their actions constantly because that's the only valid metric to go about deciding what kind of a person someone is. These people could find employment in any number of respectable fields but they chose to find it by wallowing in shit because they like the money. Of course I don't respect that. \n\nYou're presenting yourself as some elevated human being when you're really just giving excuses for people being shitty. I imagine you're shitty yourself.", "Yeah. I'm sure she's current on her insurance payments.", "Defaulting on insurance with an outstanding note would be grounds for repossession by the note holder, LOL.", "Indeed, but only for the lesson it would [hopefully] serve. Fuck needless suffering.", "Never had money troubles huh.", "I mean, maybe take a few more; yours isn’t the monologue of a well adjusted or enlightened being.", "I'd bet she had (state minimum required only) insurance when she secured the loan and immediately stopped paying the premium the next month/day.", "Not after doing it for a few months.", "> How is it so fucking hard for you to understand that people's lives change massively in just a few years.\n\nHes not saying they dont, hes saying they werent prepared like they should've been and spent poorly. He's right.\n\n>What's affordable by your own damn rules in year one may not be in year three.\n\nThen why did you buy that expensive a car to begin with? Instead of buying something you can make payments on and accrue some savings, you bought too expensive a car and arent saving for if you fall on hard times, that's bad budgeting. \n\nYou dont HAVE to buy a car that has a payment that takes up most of your monthly budget. Realistically, you should buy a car you can pay for twice in one month, so the second payment can go into your savings for exactly moments like you describe, emergency cash to pay for the car in hard times.\n\nDo you not have a savings account? Why is there not enough emergency money in your savings for your car? That'd be something you did, not a banks fault.\n\n>My wife had a procedure that was just denied by the insurance that puts us on the hook for a nice new car involuntarily. If I can't get it resolved to get them to cover the claim, they legally have the right to evict us from our house.\n\nAgain, he's not saying the corolla is whats going to fix it. You getting a car that'd let you accrue some savings would've though. Instead you went for as nice a car as you could afford and still have some money for bills and groceries, and boned yourself by having nothing to put in savings is how it sounds. In fact, it sounds like you're beefs more with your insurance not covering your wife than the bank enforcing a loan you asked for and agreed on. \n\nSure, the system can be slanted, but you're literally sprinting downhill and complaining its steeper than it is. The truth is that you just bought too expensive a car and gave your self no chance to put away money for future incidents. I think you need to re-evaluate how you see monthly bills, and start being more mindful of actually putting money into your savings because it IS the \"bad time\" fund, or the retirement fund, depending on your luck. Regardless, good to keep it stocked.", "Notice the other two cars in the video…\n\nAs a driver in LA, I avoid driving near nissans at all costs because they are filled with low-income retards", "You seem like a lovely person yourself...", "> People are not able to predict the future as you are suggesting.\n\nHes not talking about seeing the future, he's talking about being mindful and budgeting well before you have issues that could rock the boat.\n\nYou finance a new car, you should make sure its a car you can pay the monthly payment on twice a month and still afford other things, then you pay the payment, and have an emergency month saved away at that point.\n\nYou dont have to see into the future to know getting a car that means you'll have 0 savings is a bad call. \n\nAt least that's how I understood what he's saying.", "Are you joking? Pay your fucking bills", "Have you seen the prices on used Toyotas? Better off buying a Kia or a Hyundai at this point. Given all used car prices are astronomical right now", "Meh.", "yeah it's bizarre how people on this site just shit talk tow companies and it really reinforces how a lot of people on this site don't seem like they interact with the real world very often.", "I doubt repo people would go to that length to get a car.", "Scummy dealership lie and use high-pressure tactics to dupe people into buying cars they can't afford. Scummy banks (or dealerships) approve loans they shouldn't because the interest rate is astronomical. \n\nIt's actually the exact same playbook as the 2008 subprime mortgage crash, just with car loans instead of home loans. Now, as then, robust consumer protections are a better solution to this problem than just blaming people for their own poor decision-making.", "God dammit lady you got me siding with Repo scum", "When keeping it real goes wrong.", "So, did you sell her a car?", "No, but the police should handle it. Instead the banks hired thugs sneaking up and stealing it back while you are at work.", "Aren’t you like in high school?", "The accused is actually a walrus. Does this affect the proceedings?", "She obviously isn't that smart both financially or mentally. It's really expensive and taxing to be poor.", "Agreed. The scum should just pay their bills and loans so they dont get repo'd.", "Sure, but it's not an absolute situation. We can blame people for their own poor decision-making, but we can also do something to try to prevent that poor decision-making in the first place. Sure, you can regulate the fuck out of the loan industry, but at the end of the day those people that would have fallen victim to predatory loans are still equally irresponsible and uneducated. They'll continue to bang their heads against the wall, and more regulation is the equivalent of giving them a helmet instead of teaching them to stop. We can't just wrap the entire world in bubble wrap. There's only so much you can do to save someone from themselves, and while regulation is useful in moderation, I don't think it's going to fully solve the problem.\n\nIt's been said many times before, but I think the most important thing is education. There needs to be some sort of mandatory personal finance curriculum taught in school, for all 4 years of high school or even earlier. So many kids graduate (or drop out from) school without any idea about the concepts of compound interest, revolving lines of credit, how a mortgage or other type of loan works, or the concept of what being able to \"afford\" something really is.\n\nBut ultimately I do agree that we might need some tighter regulations on these types of predatory dealerships - the ones that are specifically taking advantage of uneducated customers. Even something simple such as a hard cap on APR, a minimum down payment percentage, or a cap on the principal amount based on income.", "Bless your heart.", "> a lot of people on this site don't seem like they interact with the real world very often.\n\nThe largest portion of reddit a) have little real world experience, b) get most of their learned behavior and views from the parents, and c) tend to not realize just how little they know about how things really work.", "ta chido el auto", "> Hes not saying they dont, hes saying they werent prepared like they should've been and spent poorly. He's right.\n\nYou literally can't know that. You don't know what happened to this woman. \n\n> Then why did you buy that expensive a car to begin with? Instead of buying something you can make payments on and accrue some savings, you bought too expensive a car and arent saving for if you fall on hard times, that's bad budgeting. \n\nHuh? Did you even read my scenario? I'm saying you can do all that and then watch it go to shit over a matter of months and years. \n\n> You dont HAVE to buy a car that has a payment that takes up most of your monthly budget. Realistically, you should buy a car you can pay for twice in one month, so the second payment can go into your savings for exactly moments like you describe, emergency cash to pay for the car in hard times.\n\nYou sound like Dave Ramsey. Completely disconnected from reality for most people. Do you know the costs of used let alone new cars these days? Do you see how average incomes aren't increasing? How do you propose people do this with deflationary wages?\n\n> Do you not have a savings account? Why is there not enough emergency money in your savings for your car? That'd be something you did, not a banks fault.\n\nYou're assuming a lot here and it's pretty irritating. We do have a savings account and it's just about depleted. We've been taking blow after blow after blow for the last year. Do you know I go through almost $20k in medical expenses every year? Do you know I have back problems and can't just drive a beater car like these asshats suggest? \n\nNo, you don't. Because people like you don't care, you just dispense generic advice like a vending machine, looking to blame the poor while the rich profit off of suffering. \n\n> Again, he's not saying the corolla is whats going to fix it. You getting a car that'd let you accrue some savings would've though. Instead you went for as nice a car as you could afford and still have some money for bills and groceries, and boned yourself by having nothing to put in savings is how it sounds. In fact, it sounds like you're beefs more with your insurance not covering your wife than the bank enforcing a loan you asked for and agreed on. \n\nI addressed it above, you are pretending like you know me and being an ass about this. The issue I have is that you can take extensive preparation and still fall into this trap. As healthcare becomes more and more expensive, more are falling into it, despite planning.\n\nAnd I'm one of the lucky ones from an income standpoint. Plenty are barely scraping by. \n\n> Sure, the system can be slanted, but you're literally sprinting downhill and complaining its steeper than it is. The truth is that you just bought too expensive a car and gave your self no chance to put away money for future incidents. I think you need to re-evaluate how you see monthly bills, and start being more mindful of actually putting money into your savings because it IS the \"bad time\" fund, or the retirement fund, depending on your luck. Regardless, good to keep it stocked.\n\nYou can crack open a dictionary and look up sanctimonious. Lecturing people on their life choices without knowing them, while ignoring the literal crimes of the banking and mortgage industries.", "Here. Let me try.\n\nThe Repo company didn't steal anything, they were recovering the car for the rightful owner. The person failing to pay the loan was stealing the use of the car. Refusing to make the payments activates the clause in the loan that they already agreed too, allowing the Bank to hire a company to recover the banks property. The bank has the title, because the bank paid for the car.", "I made no such claims. You are throwing out so much random shit and it sounds like no matter what you have you are fucked. So your situation doesn't even apply although it is pretty much impossible to make sense of what they hell you are talking about anyway.\n\nYour issue is a healthcare issue not a car one. So yeah, stop slamming square pegs into round holes and kindly go fuck yourself too.\n\non a side note, I am thinking you have more important things to do than sit on reddit an get mad at strangers over situations that don't even apply to you. Perhaps it's time to put down Reddit.", "What is wrong with people? \n\n\nIt's not okay. I'm sure if a tow truck drove on your lawn to repo someone's you wouldn't like it. It's just selfish bullshit.", "Downvoted for pointing out a flaw in this selfish douche's sympathy video.", "Lead in some places. A number of other industrial chemicals and lots of fertilizer and pesticides.", ">my first two years out of college\n\nBilly The Repo Kid", "Sure, abandoned cars in lots are certainly a problem. Neighbors parking in a driveway isn't some epidemic. Half of those posts on r/legaladvice are just people lying for internet karma. \n\nDoes it happen, sure. But is it frequent, absolutely not.", ">What that lady just did by hitting the cars and leaving is a felony in Texas.\n\nIt's right there in the video description\n\n\"She was arrested for hit and run as well as aggravated assault with a deadly weapon🤷🏻‍♂️ as she ran over someones toe.\"", "Who is Don Davis?", "Donald Romain Davis (born February 4, 1957) is an American composer, conductor, orchestrator and trombonist known for his film and television scores. He has also composed opera, concert and chamber music.\n\nMore details here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Davis_(composer)> \n\n\n\nThis comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!\n\n[^(opt out)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/ozztfy/post_for_opting_out/) ^(\|) [^(delete)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/q79g2t/delete_feature_added/) ^(\|) [^(report/suggest)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot) ^(\|) [^(GitHub)](https://github.com/TheBugYouCantFix/wiki-reddit-bot)", "Can they break out of the place if it get locked for vehicles? But there is still an exit for on foot?", "Maybe don't buy shit you can't afford and you won't have to worry about something you don't actually own getting repo'd.", "No surprise it took them a little while to worble over there", "All of this reads like you just don't understand basic budgeting. Saying you can't plan for the future even though that's what you have the savings and make a reasonable budget for. Jesus, I'm 26 and I understand this...\n\nYou know the economy is broken because you've been told but you don't know how or why it's broken, you just want it fixed. That's fair. What's unfair, to yourself, is refusing to fix your own budget to work within the current economy.\n\nLike I said, if you can't afford to pay your car payment twice, or even half of it, for every one time you pay it, you need a cheaper car. It doesn't have to be new, it has to be sturdy. Stop giving a shit about \"new\" and look for good condition and eendurance in older cars.\n\nIdfk who Dave Ramsey is, but if he understands how to fucking budget, you should probably fuckin listen to him instead of flaming us because you can't figure it out.\n\nThis conversations over though because instead of entertaining any other ideas, you just want to be mad and argue over it rather than listen to possible ways to live with it until its fixed. That's not a conversation, you're just holding my hostage by whining and yelling at me...", "Actually they can but it requires the lender going through the court system which costs money. Repossession companies don't have to go through the court system currently to get your car. Different state to state obviously. The lender going through the court system also tips you off if they're going to repo your car so it may be another reason they don't do it because people will just hide their cars until they get caught up or hide it as long as they can before it actually ends up getting repossessed down the road. Hiding your car can get you into legal trouble too but I haven't heard too many cases of where it's happened.", "Fuck Texas.", "Lmao. Disconnect the drive shaft? And then what? Get run over by the owner when they come running out and do some dumb shit like this? \n\nFuck that. Hook up and leave ASAP.", "Too many idiots who refuse to suffer the consequences of their own actions. She signed a contract that she broke, shes mad at herself but shes too stupid to even realize it. Reminds me of a video where a guy paid his $800 towing bill in pennies. The clerk, who didnt tow the car or park the car in a no parking zone was forced to count thousands of pennies because some asshole couldnt follow road laws. Worst part was people praised the guy for bringing the pennies even though he was the one who put himself in the situation. People like this are fucking degenerates.", "What happened to six months expenses in the bank? That’s the bar before before financing a car and the savings should include the car payment going forward. \n\nDon’t live above your means.", "That a whole lot of imaginary work for imaginary points. Well earned, very well earned. :-)", ">I made no such claims.\n\nYou were told repeatedly by multiple other people that life has a way of going sideways despite your best planning. Meaning that you plan and account for potential issues with savings, not maxing out how much you can buy, and so forth.\n\nThen you come along with:\n\n>OK, you bought a car 3 years ago but instead of buying a massive SUV you buy an old Corolla. Now 3 years later you have saved 2/3 of the price of that SUV every damn month. Holy shit, you now have 6 years of payments to easily pay off that Corolla and even some cash left over.\n\nSo yes, you pretend that if you buy a beater car that will be a magic bullet that solves all of life's problems.\n\n>You are throwing out so much random shit and it sounds like no matter what you have you are fucked. So your situation doesn't even apply although it is pretty much impossible to make sense of what they hell you are talking about anyway.\n\nThat's the point, everyone has random shit. But you're in here saying that buying a beater car is going to magically solve people's problems. Like they don't run into disasters that wipe out their savings anyway.\n\n>Your issue is a healthcare issue not a car one. So yeah, stop slamming square pegs into round holes and kindly go fuck yourself too.\n\nMoney is fungible. If one is paying off bills trying to stay alive, that's taking away money from other things that they need as well. So I don't get where you think that medical bills are somehow magically insulated from car payments.\n\nOnce again, do you realize that most bankruptcies are caused by medical issues?\n\n>on a side note, I am thinking you have more important things to do than sit on reddit an get mad at strangers over situations that don't even apply to you. Perhaps it's time to put down Reddit.\n\nAnd the condescension continues.", "I hope there is an update to this when the lady gets popped for felony hit and run", "It's not \"stealing it back\" when the car is the property of the bank.", "I too graduated magna cum laude with a B.S. in Repossession. My man!!!", ">All of this reads like you just don't understand basic budgeting. Saying you can't plan for the future even though that's what you have the savings and make a reasonable budget for. Jesus, I'm 26 and I understand this...\n\nI didn't say not to plan or make a reasonable budget. Point to exactly where I said that. What I said is that you can't plan for every disaster.\n\nYes, it's obvious you're 26, you don't have enough life experience to understand that hard times affect people despite planning and budgeting. Completely ready to throw anyone under the bus that experiences hardship. Must be nice living in your world.\n\n>You know the economy is broken because you've been told but you don't know how or why it's broken, you just want it fixed. That's fair.\n\nOh I know how and why it's broken. I don't think you do.\n\n>What's unfair, to yourself, is refusing to fix your own budget to work within the current economy.\n\nClearly you cannot read.\n\n>Like I said, if you can't afford to pay your car payment twice, or even half of it, for every one time you pay it, you need a cheaper car.\n\nYou pulled this rule right out of your ass. Put it back, it's stinking up the room.\n\n>It doesn't have to be new, it has to be sturdy.\n\nWhat you're not understanding is that those cars cost $20k now. $15k if you're lucky. When I was your age I could get a brand new Corolla for $20k. If you can't spot the problem here and figure out that it's not the people buying \"cheap\" used cars that are the problem, then I don't know how to help you and your crazy analysis of the problem.\n\nYou're also somehow failing to realize that the average age of vehicles on the road is 12 years. So it's not like people are rushing out and constantly putting themselves in financial risk driving around completely extravagant cars. People are struggling with the basics.\n\n>Idfk who Dave Ramsey is, but if he understands how to fucking budget, you should probably fuckin listen to him instead of flaming us because you can't figure it out.\n\nPlease go back and get high school English. I have a budget, I know how to budget, I'm quite good at it. You don't seem to understand the concept of hardship and maybe even lack a heart.\n\n>This conversations over though because instead of entertaining any other ideas, you just want to be mad and argue over it rather than listen to possible ways to live with it until its fixed. That's not a conversation, you're just holding my hostage by whining and yelling at me...\n\nSick and fucking tired of morons like you moralizing about the struggling every day person when the people that broke the economy get away with crimes. You're targeting the wrong people entirely. It's not a crime to make mistakes and get a repossession. It's a crime to break the economy the way the rich have. And you're here beating up poor people.\n\nDon't even talk to me about whining with that user name.", "It’s the best kind of points.", "Blame the poor you say…While being able to afford 20k/year in medical expenses, own a brand new car, and are buying equipment for your pool…\n\nSounds like you may be the one out of touch with the phrase ‘living within your means’. Maybe buy a used car and learn to budget like actual poor people that are forced to chose between eating 3 meals a day and paying rent on time instead of complaining about having to choose between next-year-model vehicle purchases to keep up with the Jones’.\n\nHot tip: the comfort of a car seat doesn’t mean you need a latest-year model SUV you moron. Buy one 2-3 years old and immediately save 30+%, there’s your emergency fund. You’ll find little sympathy from anybody for self-imposed victimhood.", "Raaayyysiiisss", "So your solution to healthcare issues to help people with car payments? You are talking about a healthcare issue hitting you with massive debt not losing a job, or a new baby, or got injured (those were the things we were talking about and even spelled out). If you still want a car then yes, what I am saying is way better. The simply fact is don't spend up to your monthly pay for some shiny new SUV so you have a cushion for most of those things.\n\nYou are talking about losing everything. It doesn't matter if you spent a lot or a little on a car that shit is gone. Doesn't apply. Yet with my way you were covered for a lot of other issues without losing your car. \n\n> If one is paying off bills trying to stay alive, that's taking away money from other things that they need as well. So I don't get where you think that medical bills are somehow magically insulated from car payments.\n\nand if you were saving the money before you would have more for medical bills. It would also help to make sure your insurance covers certain procedures or maybe don't buy that new car and get better medical insurance. \n\nAlso none of your issues make any sense from a legal standpoint but you seem like a fucking moron so that is not surprising. \n\n> And the condescension continues.\n\nwell you are a fucking idiot so it is hard not to. Perhaps all that is happening to you is karma because you are a massive fucking asshole and a fucking idiot. I hope you end up on the streets. I'll throw you a nickel from the car that I bought with cash on my way home to my house that is paid off.\n\nBTW...I am all for universal healthcare which is the solution to your problem you fucking idiot. That is why it doesn't apply while you whine about car payments you dumb fuck. Enjoy the streets loser.", "\"Hello, yes this is the police. We see that you haven't paid for the car you agreed to pay for. When would be a convenient time for us to come retrieve the property?\"", "True, but we have additional protections for your domicile, which is as it should be, I think.", "What if it's medical bills?", "If it is medical bills then having more money helps there too. It's funny how more money helps pay for everything else. If they are so high you are wiped out then nothing is helping you anyway. You are bankruptcy bound and that car is going buh bye no matter what. Unless you solution is free cars for people with medical debt but I am thinking the better solution to that one is healthcare not free cars.", "The bystanders seemed more concerned with stating he can't tow instead of asking for his video evidence for insurance claims.", "\"Fuck off Karen\"\n\nHow I would have responded", "If that Bitch had paid the bills she promised to pay and signed for, tow truck driver wouldn't have even been there", "He did follow her home.....\n\nThat's an apartment parking lot", "The \"random jerkwad on Reddit\" has discovered that the attorney's take, and indeed the court case cited is built on a house of cards. If you read the full citation in Chapa v. Traciers, you'll find it references CENSUS FEDERAL CREDIT UNION v. Richard Henry WANN. Read through Wann and you'll find it further references Deavers v. Standridge. Deavers v. Standridge quotes White & Summers analysis and practical applications of the Uniform Commercial Code and that \"in most cases\" simple oral refusal equates to a breach of the peace under the UCC, not the criminal code as was supposed above.\n\nBut, see that note about \"in most cases\". I don't have a copy of White & Summers and in one of the cases I chased along the way, they noted each and every claim of breach of peace is fact specific and must be evaluated individually. Yet somehow when it got back to Chapa v. Traciers, it was presented as if you had to merely object and you were golden. This is not the case if you drill down through all the legal citations. Instead you go from \"definitely just an oral objection is enough\" to \"hey there's this analysis book from the 1970s that says \"most\" of the time. As if new legal precedent doesn't arise ever?\n\nAlso I'm betting you didn't read Traciers either, otherwise you might realize that case had nothing to do with oral objections whatsoever and was decided in favor of the repossessor.\n\nBut non-legal speaking redditors think, as u/kahmeal:\n\n>If the owner calls bullshit on the repo attempt at the time the attempt is being made, the repo’er is supposed to back off and pursue the matter further in court.\n\nWhich is clearly not the case if you read through the citations. It's fact and case specific. Nowhere near as simple as presented here. The cited attorney was speaking out of both sides of their mouth, saying it was simple and yet vaguely defined. Only one of those can be correct.", "Are you or someone you live with 90 years old and watching Shirley Temple?", "Something that makes them fat as fuck like that woman.", "He fucked up her grass", "Pathways that come out to the parking lot shouldn’t be blocked. Fire lanes. Handicap spots often need space to let out wheelchairs etc. Hard to say in this case with such jittery video.", "Ah so I can afford the lifesaving treatment so I don't get to say anything about the sanctimonious assholes that fall all over themselves to blame poor people for having one nice thing in their lives. \n\nI didn't even say I was poor. Go find me where I said that. What I was using myself as an example for was saying that I was doing things right and was hit with multiple disasters suddenly. \n\nOh and the pool is for aquatic therapy and was the most cost efficient route possible so you can go fuck yourself for not knowing what my choices are and why they are the way they are. \n\nAnd again totally out of touch on pricing. I spent less money going the way I did with my vehicle. But congrats on missing the point I guess? New or old it's not going to matter, they're not going to make up for a $25k hole. \n\n\nY'all need to grow a heart and realize your moralizing over people just trying to live a decent life and patting the billionaires on the back isn't helping anyone. \n\nIt's not victimhood. Don't shed a tear for me, just get some empathy, you're desperately low. Or keep knocking people when they're down while billionaires steal out of everyone's pocket. Your choice.", "> So your solution to healthcare issues to help people with car payments?\n\nWhere did I say that? Quote me.\n\n > You are talking about a healthcare issue hitting you with massive debt not losing a job, or a new baby, or got injured (those were the things we were talking about and even spelled out). \n\nThe conversation was about life going not to plan, you just artificially limited it. Why does injury matter and medical issues writ large don't? You're seeing the trees and missing the forest. \n\n> If you still want a car then yes, what I am saying is way better. The simply fact is don't spend up to your monthly pay for some shiny new SUV so you have a cushion for most of those things.\n\nYou missed the point. You have cause and effect backwards. You're thinking people overspend if they have a repossession, not realizing that with even conservative planning savings can be exhausted. So you're morally blaming people for having more disasters than they planned for. Not a great look.\n\n> You are talking about losing everything. \n\nWhere? \n\n> It doesn't matter if you spent a lot or a little on a car that shit is gone. Doesn't apply. Yet with my way you were covered for a lot of other issues without losing your car. \n\nYou must have missed the multiple times I said that the disasters exceed the buffer you built. \n\n> and if you were saving the money before you would have more for medical bills.\n\nYou ever hear of post hoc, ergo propter hoc? You're assuming the car is the issue when the massive fucking hole due to disasters are the issue. But go ahead tell me I should have gone back in a time machine or predicted all these disasters. \n\n> Also none of your issues make any sense from a legal standpoint but you seem like a fucking moron so that is not surprising. \n\nWho said anything about the law? And what out of what I said indicates that you know better than me legally any of these situations?\n\n> well you are a fucking idiot so it is hard not to. \n\nYou can't even coherently tell me what it is I'm saying and have said, and keep looking to find a way to blame the person signing for the car no matter what.\n\n\n\n> Perhaps all that is happening to you is karma because you are a massive fucking asshole and a fucking idiot.\n\nI'm not actually, I just replied the way I did because people like the way you reply, no heart, no understanding, no room for error, always the fault of the little guy bother me.\n\nStop lecturing me about being an idiot when you can't even read my posts right. I'm telling you you're putting words in my mouth and you keep doing it. \n\n>I hope you end up on the streets. I'll throw you a nickel from the car that I bought with cash on my way home to my house that is paid off.\n\nI'm the fucking asshole?! You have no clue about the reality most live in but hey, at least you got yours and everyone else can get fucked. \n\n> BTW...I am all for universal healthcare which is the solution to your problem you fucking idiot. \n\nCongrats? You arrived how many posts later at a position I already had, but didn't bother to rub two brain cells together to find out if I did before calling me an idiot. \n\nDo you want an award for having the most bare bones basic compassion? \n\n> That is why it doesn't apply while you whine about car payments you dumb fuck. Enjoy the streets loser.\n\nTotally missing the point but that seems to be par for the course for your reading comprehension level.", "When can the Navies' seals be there to arrest them?", "People buy fancy iPhones and cars, yet live on welfare. I pay for their shit", "Nah, just someone who’s represented people who have quite literally had repo men climb their fences to open the gate to repossess.", "Dude, I didn't read this, nothing you say matters because you're only goal is to argue. You know why youre wrong, you were given answers multiple times and yet you ask the same questions repeatedly. That's enough for me. Have a good one broski.", "> Where?\n\nYou talk about being evicted which tends to happen when you lose everything. None of your shit made any sense anyway because to my next point.\n\n> I'm not actually, I just replied the way I did because people like \nthe way you reply, no heart, no understanding, no room for error, always the fault of the little guy bother me.\n\nyou are a liar. You lie and don't even understand the point you are trying to make.\n\n> You're assuming the car is the issue when the massive fucking hole due to disasters are the issue.\n\nIt is part of the issue if you have no money when disasters hit. It is like I am the fucking miracle worker here. If you don't want to lose things like your car when bad things happen then save some damn money. A big way to do that is not buying brand new SUVs.\n\nLet's see if I can get some point out of you because me not understanding you is your failure (there is a reason people are downvoting you). Should people spend every penny they make every month including on non essential items like brand new automobiles then be bailed out when they can't pay? Is that the business we should be in, covering the asses of people who make stupid financial decisions, and yes, using every penny you make to buy a vehicle you can barely afford is a stupid financial decision.\n\nIt's sad when morons like you think any amount of accountability means heartless. I am all for healthcare and social safety nets. There are certain basics in life we as a society should provide. What I am not for is saving some idiots SUV because they don't know how to save money. Cars are not a fucking right! If you want to save your damn car if things go bad then save some damn money. Entitled cocksuckers like you are the reason we can't actually have real safety nets because you ask for stupid shit instead of the stuff that really matters. I care that people are actually taken care of not saving some morons SUV because they can't save any money.\n\nHonestly if you can't see how my way would prevent the majority of repossessions then you are really are as stupid as I think you are. I didn't claim is saves everyone. Yet if you think everyone going through a repossession is because of massive medical bills you are, well, you are what I have told you what you are. On top of that preventing repossessions is not how you deal with healthcare issues, healthcare is, so your point is even more idiotic.", "I didn't read it in front of them, though I had an hour long appointment and there weren't other people sitting there waiting on me even if I did read it all there. I had questions about several parts of the mortgage and the mere fact I was asking prompted the agent to say what she did. This was at a Chase mortgage branch in 2002. \n\nAre you saying the reason people don't read legally biding contracts that they sign is because they don't want to waste other people's time?", "My lie is that I read a contract before signing?", "> There needs to be protection for people who may fall on hard times.\n\nThat's fine, but your lender doesn't have to eat the loss.", "Yes, let's lower the bar of intellect and understanding required of the populace. We will just protect them with the warm embrace of government regulations instead of ensuring that people are equipped with sufficient understanding of the English fucking language that is written in a COMMON financial and legally biding document. Honestly the mortgage paperwork I signed in 2002 is no more difficult to comprehend than the terms of service included with Apple products or facebook/instagram. Have a credit card or buy a car with a loan? All the same language is in those documents as well. If you don't understand what you are signing you shouldn't be signing. The predatory sales people can say anything they like but the only thing that matters is what the document states in writing.", "They don't teach these financial concepts in most schools in the US, which is a shame since nearly everyone will encounter them in their lifetime. Every high school grad should be taught the main parts of a mortgage, auto loans, credit scores and credit cards.", "> You talk about being evicted which tends to happen when you lose everything. None of your shit made any sense anyway because to my next point.\n\nYou didn't fucking listen. That point is that a hospital can foreclose on your house for no other reason than you not paying their bill. Doesn't matter if you pay every other bill. Doesn't matter if you can afford the mortgage. \n\nTo make it crystal clear for you, this is a variant on car repossession. It's the bank taking your property because you couldn't pay a bill, with a couple extra steps. Depending on other things in your life, this could even cause you to lose your job. \n\nNow maybe you'll start to get the picture that you can prepare all you like, but you can be thrown curveballs that you can't meet. You could have 6 months of expenses saved up but if you can't pay a huge hospital bill, there goes your house. \n\n> you are a liar. You lie and don't even understand the point you are trying to make.\n\nIt might seem like that because you don't seem to understand nuance or multiple points of approaching a situation. In your mind it seems like, if you can't pay a bill, it's your fault, period.\n\n> It is part of the issue if you have no money when disasters hit. It is like I am the fucking miracle worker here. If you don't want to lose things like your car when bad things happen then save some damn money. A big way to do that is not buying brand new cars.\n\nI said people should have an emergency fund but you keep ignoring that so you can argue against your strawman, then call me an idiot because your strawman is defenseless. \n\n> Let's see if I can get some point out of you because me not understanding you is your failure (there is a reason people are downvoting you). Should people spend every penny they make every month including on non essential items like brand new automobiles then be bailed out when they can't pay? Is that the business we should be in, covering the asses of people who make stupid financial decisions, and yes, using every penny you make to buy a vehicle you can barely afford is a stupid financial decision.\n\nUm yes? I didn't say otherwise. \n\n> It's sad when morons like you think any amount of accountability means heartless.\n\nNo I didn't say that. I've been trying to get you to realize there's shades of grey and far fewer people than you think are in this contrived situation. \n\n > I am all for healthcare and social safety nets. There are certain basics in life we as a society should provide. \n\nSo how do you go from that to not realizing that our medical system is so fucked that you can be in a great position with a cushy emergency fund and left over savings every month to losing your car in a short time?\n\nThis is just one scenario. \n\n> What I am not for is saving some idiots SUV because they don't know how to save money. Cars are not a fucking right!\n\nAll I asked for is that people should be judged with compassion on their individual circumstances. Not your one size fits all rule that it's your fault if you get something repossessed. \n\n\n\n> If you want to save your damn car if things go bad then save some damn money. Entitled cocksuckers like you are the reason we can't actually have real safety nets because you ask for stupid shit instead of the stuff that really matters.\n\nStop arguing with your strawman.", "You do realize that mortgage documents and various other financial instruments are written at the college graduate level. They're not written in common English, despite looking that way. Most people don't understand those things you mentioned either. \n\nMaybe we ought to not have people signing something at a graduate level of language and the need for a legal background? Why should companies have the benefit of lawyers to draft the document in a way intended to confuse people? \n\nTell me, why is it ok for companies to purposely confuse people so they can repossess cars on purpose?", "Yes it quite is. The language used in all of these documents is targeted at college graduates and built on complex legal precedent. Many companies have been caught drafting them on purpose to be confusing so that they can repossess the car later on. They set people up for failure and you're here defending the bank. Nice.", "It was a pretty good gig, entry level position that led to a 12 year career in lending and banking. Definitely a young man's job, though, but damn it was fun.", "No he's repoing it means she isn't still making payments on it.", "> You didn't fucking listen. That point is that a hospital can foreclose on your house for no other reason than you not paying their bill. Doesn't matter if you pay every other bill. Doesn't matter if you can afford the mortgage.\n\nThey can put a lien on your house if a court allows it. It is a long process. You also made it about you because you are a liar.\n\n> To make it crystal clear for you, this is a variant on car repossession.\n\nNo it's not. You're an idiot and again, a liar. Housing is not a car and go through very different things. To reiterate, you are an idiot.\n\n> You could have 6 months of expenses saved up but if you can't pay a huge hospital bill, there goes your house.\n\nSweet, and that is not a car, to put a lien on a home is a massive process, and I don't have time to go into it all. Have I mentioned you are a liar and an idiot. \n\nAlso the way to stop medical bills from causing massive issues is providing healthcare. Again, I have made this point before. \n\n> It might seem like that because you don't seem to understand nuance or multiple points of approaching a situation. In your mind it seems like, if you can't pay a bill, it's your fault, period.\n\nNo, you literally said something that was a lie. That is not nuance. You are an idiot and a liar. You also have no idea how any of this works. I even stated in one of if not my first reply to you none of it made any sense. As it turns out you were lying and that is why it didn't make sense.\n\n> I've been trying to get you to realize there's shades of grey and far fewer people than you think are in this contrived situation.\n\nSo you have no relevant point to make on this subject. That is pretty much what I assumed and once again, you are an idiot.\n\n> So how do you go from that to not realizing that our medical system is so fucked that you can be in a great position with a cushy emergency fund and left over savings every month to losing your car in a short time?\n\nI get it and the answer to that is two fold.\n\n1) provide health insurance\n2) saving money is still a good thing for many other issues.\n\nLet's see if I can get this through your idiotic head. My whole point is people should not spend ever dollar they make each month on their car. It is a great idea to buy a lesser vehicle to save money in case bad things happens. It may not prevent every issue, but you and I damn well know it would reduce repossessions a massive amount. For other issues, like medical bills, the answer for that has nothing to do with repossessions of cars and doesn't change my point at all. THAT IS WHY YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT! You are not refuting anything I say and creating weird arguments with no fucking bearing on the point like I have been saying this whole fucking time!\n\nYou keep saying \"strawman\" but it isn't a strawman. Those are the points I am making and it is really damn important to understand if you agree or not! Holy shit you are one of the stupidest mother fuckers on the planet.\n\nI am not being cold. I am being practical. Sure, even practical measures won't saver everyone and in those cases the solutions have nothing to do with car ownership. You know damn well more people should be practical with the cars they buy. Stop being a contrarian asshole who doesn't have a point.\n\n> All I asked for is that people should be judged with compassion on their individual circumstances. \n\nNo, you lied and created all kinds of bullshit. I also answered your lie (which was really a hypothetical that made no sense) with a real answer. The answer for medical bills is provide healthcare which I am for. Got any more lies, I mean hypotheticals?\n\n> Not your one size fits all rule that it's your fault if you get something repossessed.\n\nI provided a solution for the vast majority of repossessions and a solution for healthcare hypothetical. What more do you want? I am completely practical, and you are a fucking idiot.", "Look, these things are requirements of being an adult citizen in the US. We can keep dumbing shit down until we are watering our crops with Brawndo or we can demand better of our education system. I suspect most people have issues understanding most federal tax forms as well, so the government also assumes a certain level of reading competency in its interactions with citizens.\n\nBanks don't want the stuff back people don't pay for, they want the interest income. They aren't confusing people so they can repossess houses and cars on purpose. In many cases they lose money doing repossession.\n\nHere are excerpts from a promissory note and mortgage agreement. I fail to see the graduate level English being used here. These documents also have a handy section of definitions for all the more complicated concepts. Shakespeare is taught in most high school English classes and I would venture to say that is more difficult to comprehend than these documents...\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>1. BORROWER'S PROMISE TO PAY\r \nIn return for a loan that I have received, I promise to pay U.S. $XXX,XXX.XX (this amount is called \"Principal\"),\r \nplus interest, to the order of the Lender. The Lender is XXX Mortgage Corporation, a Corporation.\r \nI will make all payments under this Note in the form of cash, check or money order.\r \nI understand that the Lender may transfer this Note. The Lender or anyone who takes this Note by transfer and who is entitled to receive payments under this Note is called the \"Note Holder.\"\r \n2. INTEREST\r \nInterest will be charged on unpaid principal until the full amount of Principal has been paid. I will pay interest at a yearly rate of X.XXX %.\r \nThe interest rate required by this Section 2 is the rate I will pay both before and after any default described in Section 6(B) of this Note.\r \n3. PAYMENTS\r \n(A) Time and Place of Payments\r \nI will pay principal and interest by making a payment every month.\r \nI will make my monthly payment on the 1st day of each month beginning on Month Day, Year.\r \nI will make these payments every month until I have paid all of the principal and interest and any other charges described below that I may owe under this Note. Each monthly payment will be applied as of its scheduled due date and will be\r \napplied to interest before Principal. If, on Month Day, Year, I still owe amounts under this Note, I will pay those amounts in full on that date, which is called the \"Maturity Date.\"\r \nI will make my monthly payments at Address...\n\nand another excerpt from a mortgage\n\n>UNIFORM COVENANTS. Borrower and Lender covenant and agree as follows:\r \n1. Payment of Principal, Interest, Escrow Items, Prepayment Charges, and Late Charges. Borrower shall pay when due the principal of, and interest on, the debt evidenced by the Note and any prepayment charges and late charges due under the Note. Borrower shall also pay funds for Escrow Items pursuant to Section 3. Payments due under\r \nthe Note and this Security Instrument shall be made in U.S. currency. However, if any check or other instrument received by Lender as payment under the Note or this Security Instrument is retuned to Lender unpaid, Lender may require that any or all subsequent payments due under the Note and this Security Instrument be made in one or more of the following forms, as selected by Lender: (a) cash; (b) money order; (c) certified check, bank check, treasurer's check or cashier's check, provided any such check is drawn upon an institution whose deposits are insured by a federal agency, instrumentality, or entity; or (d) Electronic Funds Transfer.\r \nPayments are deemed received by Lender when received at the location designated in the Note or at such other location as may be designated by Lender in accordance with the notice provisions in Section 15. Lender may return any payment or partial payment if the payment or partial payments are insufficient to bring the Loan current. Lender may accept any payment or partial payment insufficient to bring the Loan current, without waiver of any rights hereunder or prejudice to its rights to refuse such payment or partial payments in the future, but Lender is not obligated to apply such payments at the time such payments are accepted. If each Periodic Payment is applied as of its scheduled due date, then Lender need not pay interest on unapplied funds. Lender may hold such unapplied funds until Borrower makes payment to bring the Loan current. If Borrower does not do so within a reasonable period of time, Lender shall either apply such funds or return them to Borrower. If not applied earlier, such funds will be applied to the outstanding principal balance under the Note immediately prior to foreclosure. No offset or claim which Borrower might have now or in the future against Lender shall relieve Borrower from making payments due under the Note and this Security Instrument or performing the covenants and agreements secured by this Security Instrument.\r \n2. Application of Payments or Proceeds. Except as otherwise described in this Section 2, all payments accepted and applied by Lender shall be applied in the following order of priority: (a) interest due under the Note; (b) principal due under the Note; (c) amounts due under Section 3. Such payments shall be applied to each Periodic Payment in the order in which it became due. Any remaining amounts shall be applied first to late charges, second to any other amounts due under this Security Instrument, and then to reduce the principal balance of the Note.\r \nIf Lender receives a payment from Borrower for a delinquent Periodic Payment which includes a sufficient amount to pay any late charge due, the payment may be applied to the delinquent payment and the late charge. If more than one Periodic Payment is outstanding, Lender may apply any payment received from Borrower to the repayment of the Periodic Payments if, and to the extent that, each payment can be paid in full. To the extent that any excess exists after the payment is applied to the full payment of one or more Payments, such excess may be applied to any late charges due. Voluntary prepayments shall be applied first to any prepayment charges and then as described in the Note.\r \nAny application of payments, insurance proceeds, or Miscellaneous Proceeds to principal due under the Note shall not extend or postpone the due date, or change the amount, of the Periodic Payments.", "You all cam feel free to down vote but,, Fuck tow truck drivers. Unless you're helping stranded people you're an asshole.", "True but I wouldn’t go with Kia/Hyundai with all their recent engine issues. Personally I’d go with Ford. My manual Focus and now my Focus ST along with my wife’s Edge have been great cars.", "tl;dr you don't understand English, nuance, and analogies.", "Maybe not. Intentional acts are excluded and so are damages while committing a felony, so even if she is current on her insurance, depending on the state and the policy, she might not have coverage for this particular incident.", "Locked apartment building, in front of a car in a tandem space. they do not give a fuck.", "you sound like a real piece of work", "I know it seems simple to you, because you are at that level of reading comprehension. It's hard to understand how others wouldn't understand it, which is why I'm trying to explain to you that although it's written in plain English, at a level you understand, you still don't actually have a complete understanding of it. There's vast case law that defines the meaning of terms in there that, despite being defined by the document, may not actually be legal. You can very well be held responsible for things not printed in it, or things in it may not actually apply. Or the document might have a technical flaw and not be legal at all. \n\nI don't see why it should be about dumbing down. Presenting things in clear plain language at the level most people are at should be pretty acceptable. It would save a ton of money all around. \n\nTo the point about not wanting to repossess, that's actually proven that some companies set out to repossess cars and houses for profit. They collect most of your payments and prey on you when you hit a hard time. Then they've gotten 99% of their money and they get the asset too. It's sad yet, in our current society, not that surprising.\n\nAnd to really drive the point home, I'm college educated and still had to get a lawyer and spend 30 minutes and sending him the documents for review to get a question answered about my rights and obligations. If you really think you understand everything in it and how it actually applies to you, then I don't know what to tell you.", "Guy on tictok repossesses storage units from people down south, they got laws saying they can literally remove fences to get the unit. He towed one off with the peoples deep freezer in it. lol\n\nIts great, all these people are like \"you can't destory the property\". Oh yes he can.", "Some states the police don't even show, you take pictures, send it into insurance. done and done.", "cuz you never fucked up and paid a bill a day late for whatever reason and were OK with the bank just taking your house and your car or something else?", "The \"wiggle room\" IS THE 30 DAYS you nut job. lol If you are one of those people who wait to the last minute to pay the bill, you got some major finance problems and living way beyond means.", "It's basically organized crime with the blessings of local government.", "Don't be so happy for other people's misfortune even if they causes it to themselves.", "Those deals cost money, idk about that state, but to remove that from record in Missouri you actually PAY to go to counseling for a certain period of time. Its literally a pay to stay out of jail program that is a total crock of shit. \n\nGoes something like this, get arrested, get booked, yadda yadda. Bond gets posted, if you pay the % of bond to get out, you go to court, they set you up with a plea that in total misleading wording says that you agree to waise felony conviction for \"less charges to not include felony on record\". Which they don't tell you is that you pay $300 a session, and are required to take so many sessions..you pay for, the time they choose so hope you don't have a job at 3pm in the afternoon on weekday.\n\nMissouri makes millions of $ from this by repeat drug offenders, and yes it goes for pot. Girl i know has done it twice now, total cost to her..$3,800. Great for someone with 2 kids and works min wage right.", "I understand all of them. You don't know how to use any of them. You did not refute any points I made, you made up a story that was a lie that didn't make any sense, you equate housing to cars which is so idiotic I don't even know where to start, and I have no idea what you think nuance is. You made up some bullshit I was heartless when you have yet to refute any statement I have made and call me asking if you can refute or are even trying to refute them a strawman. It turns out you were not. You were making some point that wasn't relevant based on some preconceived notion I was being heartless when my advice is completely practical to the point you won't refute it. You are an idiot of epic proportions. Please don't breed.", "Not in Canada, we don't have felonies. Har har har", "Someone described it as cats coming to a can of tuna opening and it was perfect. Suddenly every Texan Karen ran out to give her opinion to the tow truck driver about the incident.", ">Antarctic Treaty\n\n[https://documents.ats.aq/keydocs/vol\\_1/vol1\\_2\\_AT\\_Antarctic\\_Treaty\\_e.pdf](https://documents.ats.aq/keydocs/vol_1/vol1_2_AT_Antarctic_Treaty_e.pdf)\n\nI can't seem to find the section, are you sure you have the right citation?", "They're saying that you have 30 days to make a payment so don't wait until the last minute, pay it a few days (up to 30) ahead of time.", "Literally none of that is true, but keep telling yourself these things. I hope it helps you sleep better.", "You mean that story you made up. I agree, nothing you said was true. Liar.\n\nand yes it is very true you shouldn't breed. If you have done so, please kill the hell spawn. That will be more helpful to the world than universal healthcare.", "I was simply transcribing into layman’s terms the statements as they were and without any additional context. Your attitude is shit, work on it.", "They aren't towing because a payment is 1 day late. The law might say that but the bank doesn't want your car, they want your money. You gotta 2 or 3 months behind before they are sending in the repo man", "Ya, call your bank and talk to them. You'd be surprised what a phone call would do. If you are actually trying to pay they will work with you. The bank does not want your car, they want your money.", "Preach it. There isn't personal responsibility anymore. Pass the buck on. I bought a car I can't afford, the government should help me", ">I was simply transcribing into layman’s terms the statements as they were and without any additional context. Your attitude is shit, work on it.\n\nI wasn't saying anything bad about you, I was pointing out that the transcription done by these people leads to false conclusions. You're fine.\n\nI'm having a shitty day, but these people piling on isn't helping. Taking out of context quotes from cases and not bothering to read any further and then telling me I'm a \"random jerkwad\" is sure to make my day better...", "No, I sound like the dude that answered the questions he had in spades and got tired of answering the same ones because he doesnt want answers, he wants to argue.\n\nHop off man.", "This is a common misconception. The victims in a criminal case do not decide whether or not to press charges. That is up to the DA.", "Google \"Don Davis Auto Group\".", ">They aren't towing because a payment is 1 day late\n\nBut they can. That's the point.", "That's a lot of words just to say you support breaking the law", "You know I think I had the Antarctic environment protection agreement, a later companion agreement. My sections and numbers came from the government of Canadas page who signed the agreement", "Congrats on being one of the smart ones, and I'm not being sarcastic.", "As a lawn care specialist I can tell you it’s demonstrably fine to have a vehicle drive gently over grass as long as he doesn’t displace soil or uproot blades.", "You can already see where he drove. It's private property. They don't want him there at all.\n\nIt's just ignorant behavior...I'm not sure what people are trying to defend.", "They're not using the Theta engine anymore in the new Sonata.\n\nThey just settled a class action and are now covering the engine for the lifetime of the car (for the recall issue).\n\nAlso I can't figure out if engines in 2017 and up model years are actually affected. You would think because they had this problem for so long they would have figured it out.\n \nAlso what's the root cause is it the debris left over from the factory or is it the engine bearings?\n\nYou should really emphasize manual transmission on the Focus considering the PowerShift transmission is so horrible, even when it hasn't failed.", "> You should really emphasize manual transmission\n\nThat's why I stated manual Focus plus my ST instead of just saying my Focus. The 5spd in non ST versions are rock solid. Put 100k on it and the gears still felt brand new. The mk3 and mk3.5 Focus are amazing cars and if Ford had gone with anything else beside a dry DCT it would've been as good or better than the Corolla.", "new format: diagonal. Brilliant new compromise between vertical and horizontal recording", "Fair enough; been there. Cheers mate.", "No, they can't destroy property. Try that kinda shit in a gun toting state and the repo man will have his head blown clean off.", "I didn't say I disagreed with anything. Just the choice of words", "They literally steal airplanes.\n\nRepo people are fucking serious about their jobs.", "I thought having a felony was a requirement to work at Whataburger... I must live in a fucked up part of town.", "Not a very good one. Because it will never happen. And probably has never happened.", "Wiggle room, I get a statement in the mail like 2 weeks prior to it being due. You had wiggle room, and decided to pay last minute. That's your problem not theirs.", "How do you know it's never happened or will never happen?", "Because the bank does not want your car. What is so hard to understand about this. They are not going to pay a repo man to.takr the car. Loose money at an auction because someone was 1 day late. They aren't going to do it. Banks want money not cars", ">Because the bank does not want your car.\n\nHow do you know that? I mean they take cars right? So clearly they do want those cars.", "They take them.after months of non payment. And even a small payment after they take it gets you the car back. So no, they don't want cars.", "They can take them anytime though. That's the point.", "I could not do repo no matter how much someone offered me. If I pulled up on scene and seen car seats, I’d walk. Sorry. 🤷🏻‍♀️ I tow to help, not to hurt.", "Well, now she's got some criminal charges to go along with getting her car repossessed.", "Friend of mine did it for years, also a super nice guy. If the creditor got belligerent of threatening he just called the police and had them handle that part while he did what he needed to do. He only had a gun pulled on him once and that guy was arrested for assault with a deadly weapon. Most people are pretty much resigned to the fact their car is getting repossessed and don't intervene apparently.", "She's not making payments on it, that's why it got repossessed. Also since this is in Florida, if she didn't have insurance she can add driving with a suspended license to the other charges she racked up over this incident.", "When I said she's making payments, I meant that, if they're repoing the vehicle, that means she still has payments being made on the vehicle, and since there are payments left, she's required to have insurance on it.\n\nWhether she's making those payments or not is irrelevant. But seems likely that she's not making them since it's being repo'd, but it could also be that she didn't have insurance on it and that's why as well.", "You sound like somebody with a lot of excuses and a shit credit score. Life happens and responsible people plan for it. Dumb people buy flashy cars they can't afford to look cool." ]	493	videos	Crazy lady drives off tow truck and wrecks other cars in process
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M7GFyBrf0M	/r/videos/comments/qfzv7g/croatian_firefighters_on_call_seconds_before/	[ "Most underrated heroes in the world.", "Firefighter response time never fails to impress.", "Can confirm, have seen them heaps of times at the local supermarket shopping together.\n\nLiterally drop whatever they're holding and sprint back to the truck the second a call starts coming in.", "I think he is referencing that this is a staged video", "Yeah, so?", "Pretty sure that’s what they were referencing", "Yeah, so?", "Whether it is staged or not, it is representative of real response. Rapid fire response is critical, 2 minutes could be the difference between a fire contained to one room vs full structure loss.", "Well at this point, you look like a bit of a twat is all.", "Fuck do the brits always complain about absolutely everything?", "> Dailymail shouldnt misrepresent the facts \n\nI agree, but if it's from the Daily Mail it's a good rule to just assume that what they're saying is misinterpreting the facts in some way. It's pretty much their business model.", "The Daily Mail can't even report the weather without misrepresenting the facts", ">Dailymail shouldnt misrepresent the facts.\n\nat this stage i feel its more on you for hoping that the daily mail represents fact... i mean its the daily mail", "In my country they are taught to be calm when the alarm goes off, because twisting your ancle will be worse than those 3 seconds you save.", "Who doesn’t love fire fighters?", "It's not entirely clear to me from that article that it is staged. Just because they posted it as a PSA with a clever quip doesn't mean it didn't actually happen.", "Fire.", "Shut the hell up.", "Damn bro this was no lie a clip a thought of as \"great human behaviour\" you're right though now on reflection that it's fake (and you've proved it) ☹️☹️ not sure how I feel about this tbh!", "You must get a lot of that aimed at you", "Libertarians, I guess. “I don’t even want that service, why should I subsidize everyone who does?”", "I always hate it when I twist my ancle", "Brush.", "Confirmed fake I'm afraid.\nhttps://maldita.es/malditobulo/no-el-video-de-unos-bomberos-en-el-penalty-decisivo-del-croacia-rusia-no-es-real", "I'm sure I read that it is fake. I really wish I hadn't read that, and still believed it was real.", "yea that celebration was underwhelming", "Good question. No seriously, firefighters get attacked frequently.", "Michael Myers", "Yeah, Croatians don't get the credit they deserve.", "No, they love firefighters, as long as they are private firefighters. The kind that show up to your burning house and ask you how much money is in your bank account before deciding whether to save your house.", "Ha. And work for $2/hr and are thankful", "That's police", "Americans, they don't even want to pay for them, 70% of all firefighters in the USA are volunteers lol.", "Is that when you simultaneously twist both your uncle and your aunt into one ancle?" ]	34	videos	Croatian firefighters on call seconds before winning penalty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0pcM-1E1ew	/r/videos/comments/qg10lm/foods_that_are_banned_in_europe_but_not_the_us/	[ "Fact b o i", "We do have a European version of mountain dew over here but it's not nearly as good - and is usually shelved with energy drinks like monster etc.", "Couldn’t make it past his initial babbling and self promotion.", "I tried it once while traveling(never seen it for sale here in Portugal) and it's disgustingly sweet. The only thing I've ever had on that level was Irn Bru(the old formula, I think they have a new one) but it was still easier to drink, Mountain Dew honestly tasted like something a 6 year old would make." ]	4	videos	Foods That Are Banned in Europe, But Not the US
https://youtu.be/dwjmaYwxXNI	/r/videos/comments/qg2cee/bruce_willis_and_sharon_stone_in_an_old_seagrams/	[ "Wet & dry", "They rejected my pitch for saying it is moist and arid.", "Wine coolers were the hip drink of the 80s/90s, similar to seltzers today.", "Actually a pretty good commercial. Gets to the point, clearly establishes the product and selling point (not that \"it's wet and it's dry\" is that great of a selling point, but it's what they had to work with). It ends on a mild joke, but Willis as pitchman recovers from the punchline without looking bad.\n\nFor anyone too young to know/remember what a \"wine cooler\" is, it was cheap white wine with selzer water added along with other flavors. It was basically the hard seltzer of the mid 80s: somewhat alcoholic, wasn't too filling, had a mild taste and was targeted at adults and especially women who didn't consider themselves drinkers.", "Where’s the Zima commercial?!", "HAHA! I remember that commercial! \\damn, I'm old.", "Didn't they use to call wine coolers panty remover? Chicks that didn't drink would get into them and before you know it, they'd be wasted. I never drank coolers of any kind, just beer.", "Couldn't say. I was just a shade too young for these. By the time I was at the age where we could/would start sneaking alcohol or getting someone to buy for us, they were already on the way out.", "It's a drink that you drink.", "With friends who are your friends.", "Yes, I was in high school in the 80's and we would by Bartles & James wine coolers (or at least have someone with a fake ID buy them for us). The guys stuck to beer though. Not because wine coolers were chick drinks (they were). But because you can maintain on beer. The girls however, would get halfway through their 3rd bottle and suddenly forget they had to be home by 11.\n\nAnd then us guys? Well....we went home and masturbated to the thought of almost getting a girl drunk enough to have sex.", "Zima was in the 90's.", "I was about to say also most wine coolers were sweeter than sugar so a dryer one was bound to have appeal to strict wine drinkers who wanted to try one of these new wine coolers they have seen but were put off by the sweetness.", "Oh heck, you only live once. Give me a White Wine SPRITZERRRRR*", "Nice Hat.", "Whenever I hear \"Seagrams Wine Cooler\", [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nkIuzMNFKU) is always the first association I make." ]	17	videos	Bruce Willis and Sharon Stone in an old Seagrams commercial
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qg2vgr/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qg2vgr/deleted_by_user/	[ "This one was a masterpiece. Before The Onion redesigned their site, it would play one of the many versions of this at random so lots of folks walked away with a different experience.", "Did they redesign their website because they know I’m high?", "6:23 got me", "Jesus there are a couple of horrifying ones in there. The no face, the screaming, and the blood. \n\nThe screaming got me the most", "Video is also telling the same story for longer than five minutes.", "[ Jump to 06:23 @ The Onion's Report on Weed Will Make You Feel Stoned](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y6db6lUaBg&t=0h6m23s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Aye Yoe, Video Popularity: 98.38%, Video Length: [11:30])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@06:18](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6y6db6lUaBg&t=0h6m18s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Lol that caught me of guard. Fortunately I was not high because then I would probably sharted", "Lucky for me, I was on the toilet when I watched that part.", "Me to actually :-)", "^(DON'T) BE AFRAID", "Holy fuck the screaming and the no face one almost made me cry", "Well good. Now I don’t have to hide it.", "I'll save this to watch when I'm high.", "god damn this is gold!", "Well I had a job interview yesterday, I did that stoned and got the job. I have been smoking almost everyday for more than 10 years... I found that after a long enough period, it sort of becomes the new norm", "Are you high?", "Kinky Americans feel the country is on the wrong track... And they like it", "I only ever saw the first one and I actually shit my pants when it looped back to that", "Yes, and they told all your friends and coworkers you are high too. Everyone knows and they are very disappointed.", "‘Wake up. Wake up.’", "this will always be one of my favorites. It's so relatable that its scary.", "That was my attitude and I'm gonna be honest I kinda regret it", "Where was the no face? Must have missed it.", "You were once a baby, now you're a criminal lmao", "Dude…………………………………………………… you ever notice those look like ants, man?", "God the old Onion News Network videos were just wall-to-wall gold.", "8.7 Million Pounds of Diseased Meat Found on American's Bodies", "Funny i quit for a year and still feel high sometimes", "#CANDY BAR", "WTH? That didn't happen the first time I watched it.", "it's in the first 1/3 of the video. not sure exactly where but I hope that helps a little.", "\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who messed with the wrong people and got involved in some serious shit.\"\n\n\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who is not taking his divorce well.\"\n\n\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who is plummeting towards earth at 93 miles an hour.\"\n\n\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who is regaling the interns with tales of his days at sea.\"\n\n\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who was never that great of a host anyway.\"\n\n\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who is racing to the airport to catch the woman he loves.\"\n\n\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who knows too much and can't trust anyone.\"\n\n\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who is wandering along I-95 in a bathrobe with no memory of who he is.\"\n\n\"...filling in for Clifford Banes, who is standing over a bound and gagged man with a shovel, wondering if he has the guts to go through with it.\"", "damn he died. dont smoke the lettuce kids or you'll delete your reddit account", "children laughing", "Easily my favorite onion piece of all time.\nWhich is why I'm shocked I didn't know there were different versions!", "What? I watched the whole thing and their faces were normal the entire time.", "This is like the safe warmup to the much more terrifying Unedited Footage of a Bear.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gMjJNGg9Z8", "What are you talking about? I watched all of them and there wasn't a no face one. \n\nThe screaming and the blood though, those were good.", "What's that noise? That's probably the police. They are coming to take you to jail.", "I watched the whole vid, and there's just one version that loops several times. You sure you're ok bud?", "[2:07](https://youtube.com/watch?v=6y6db6lUaBg&t=2m7s)", "“The blood has you”", "[2:07 - WELCOME TO ETERNITY](https://youtube.com/watch?v=6y6db6lUaBg&t=2m7s)", "It's at the 2 minute mark.", "you mean before The Onion was taken over by shit-eating corporate interests? Yeah. 2016 was a fucking terrible year.", "I remember an onion headline from the 90's...\"Studies I dictate smoking Marijuana linked to sitting around and getting super stoned\"", "Wow I could see high school stoner me being mind fucked by this video", "Random somewhat related song https://youtu.be/GKnIMO34tK8", "Meanwhile these days it’s, “everyone knows you’re high and they are too”", "I think Clifford does show up in one episode.", "I was gunna clean my room", "Seriously, are they trying to freak us out or something? I've seen a few people mention \"no face\" and I can't find anything remotely like that in the video. The blood, inverted speech, and screaming is bad enough guys please stop", "I'll be stoned forever? Where do I sign up?", "This is not the Onion, this is some shitmaggot who have stolen the Onion content and put it on their own channel.", "That one really fucked me up the first time I saw it. Thankfully, I have [Claridryl](https://web.archive.org/web/20150225023913/http://www.adultswim.com/promotions/claridryl/) to help me out.", "Many of these would have been absolutely frightening when high, man.", "That's just a normal loop dude, all they changed was the bald guy in the back.", "The two minute mark is just in the loop where they barely changed anything, all I could notice different was the bald guy in the back.", "Go to the second version at about 2 minutes in", "I fucking knew it!!", "People who don’t smoke who try to imitate pot heads are annoying.", "I feel like those kinds of mess-with-the-viewer websites have all but disappeared — everything has to please the Google algorithm now.\n\nIt makes me sad.", "At one point clifford does show up but is wearing a very realistic facemask of the other anchor.", "We all know what weed does https://youtu.be/qqeGeQpDTBU", "\"You were once a baby. Now you're a criminal.\"", "This is so funny. They absolutely nail it. Those are all paranoid things that go through my head (except the jail one - in Canada) when I am too stoned", "This is why I love Reddit, a random unspoken gaslight just goes off without a hitch. Even this comment, without context, doesn't clarify which side is doing the gaslighting.", "Maybe you're too high and your brain got broken", "We used to get it delivered to us in Mass every two weeks. This was in the mid-90s.", "yeah i wish i still had my hard copies from that era", "that one was great.", "Sorry, 2 minutes, 5 seconds.", "I watched the whole thing over again, there is no loop of them having no face. 2 min 5 sec is just part of the bald guy in the back loop.", "Then you're probably too high right now, because I definitely see it.", "Honestly though I did not recognize it until I tried it. As soon as I did it once I has like a flashback through my life like... that guy, that guy, that makes sense now, she makes sense now, that teacher makes sense now... holy shit I've been blind.", "Maybe you smoked too much and broke your brain.", "https://v.redd.it/25bnmxr1cqv71", "you're the one seeing faceless people bro. Maybe you should try sleeping this off.", "https://youtu.be/6y6db6lUaBg?t=124\n\nIt's right there. If you don't see it, I don't know what to tell you.", "Yeah, that's just a normal loop with minor changes, I think you broke your brain.", "Once you were a baby, now you're a criminal.", "It went full Adult Swim creepypasta.", "Lmao, my favorite out of this whole skit.", "To be fair, clickhole seems to be carrying the torch well. Seems to be where their best writers are these days", "I would love it if they would make ONN an actual channel on something like Samsung TV so you could just have it playing in your house when family comes over for Thanksgiving.", "At least link to the [OG/creators](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpSTrry_5Fo) and not some re-upload page", "Oh, you wanna go down the Adult Swim rabbit-hole?\n\n[This House Has People in It.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-pj8OtyO2I)\n\n[Too Many Cooks.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QrGrOK8oZG8)\n\n[Broomshakalaka.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt2uIhAvQZ8)", "My brain. Ouch. I watched the full video. I went back and was like, \"WTF!\" How did my brain skip that beat?!", "i like you", "Somebody really needs to dump those files and recreate the game so it's not so laggy having to play on Wayback. :(", "Passersby were amazed at the unusually large amounts of blood.", "Turn off ad blocker for them.", "and people stopped going to the site directly and had adblockers on. it takes money to make quality stuff.", "THE BLOOD HAS YOU", "Now kiss", "This needs the spoiler formatting.", "I remember when the onion did an April fools joke about getting acquired by an overseas private equity corp and turned into a digital marketing site, then they got real life acquired by a domestic private equity corp and turned into digital marketing :/ wow there’s so many funny articles about swiffer now", "I feel like their death came just a little too soon before the massive popularity of crowdsourcing platforms like Patreon. There might have been a way for them to frame a paid subscription like something more like a sponsorship, who knows.", "That’s cuz you’re high.", "My husband got arrested for meth plants in his garage this video is a documentary not a parody", "Dont. it gets dark fast lol", "Butt kiss", "Including your dog. Rufus thinks you are better than this.", "Yeah but this is the onion and actually I think it's obvious either whoever made it have smoked weed or they asked some people for legitimate experiences, because they nail paranoia pretty good if you ask me.", "Glad I wasn't the only one watching the ticker lol I miss the good old days of onn.", "So you didn’t see the face?", "This and Too Many Cooks. practically no one in my real life appreciates them....", "Kinky...", "didn't I?", "Passersby Were Amazed by the Unusually Large Amounts of Blood", "Mom?", "Me 3", "If only this video didn’t repeat the same damn 30 seconds for every version, just play the different variations not the whole thing a million times", "You do know that you can play ONN on your Samsung TV any time or are you just high? Oh, and every one on Reddit is laughing at you (and is high)", "I like me too.", "Hadn't seen the last one before. Not as strong as the others, but still wonderful. Also have you seen [Lords of Synth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXgNo5Smino)?", "So, I just smoked last night for the first time in several years. Woke up with some anxiety, and this video just solidified the fact that the universe is watching me. It’s just what I needed.", "Relevant username", "And it’s so easy to verify too. I wondered if people were playing dumb about not seeing the faceless people, so I checked the video and sure enough, it’s right there. Don’t know what the hell is going on here.", "dude can I get that stone forever weed plz, mine wears off after awhile still!", "I was gonna clean my room until I got..", "They had a show on IFC called The Onion News Network and it lasted for 2 seasons. They also did another one for Amazon Prime, but that one was more meta and I think it starred Jeffrey Tambor. But it got canceled after only the pilot episode.\n\nApparently you can’t stream the Amazon prime one anymore, but I remember it was also about the onion going out and causing stuff so they could be the first to report on it. And they were like abducting children and being mad that the story would flop because the child the abducted wasn’t pretty enough.", "For thirty years The Onion has operated on the assumption that everybody who reads it is super high.", "Congrats on your addiction", "I'm a weed gummy\n\nYes, I'm a weed gummy\n\nI'm a\n\nI'm a\n\nI'm a\n\nI'm a weed gummy", "I watched the whole vid, and there's just one version that loops several times. You sure you're ok bud?", "Whose a good boy?", "For anyone uninitiated to the glory of one of the greatest comedies of all time:\n\n[\"Going over the border for some french fries and gravy, sir.\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCxcU-kPwho)", "They brought us this [beautiful, tragic piece.](https://youtu.be/XR3Y_9Y74L0) I tear up every time", "Don't forget [May I please enter](https://youtu.be/TgxSIFcTvLo)", "This comment made my day. Please let me remind this comment so I can tell it to my grandkids one day. I was here 26/10-21", "Is this a thing now? Playing 1:30 videos on repeat until it's at the 10 minute mark for the ads?\n\noriginal: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpSTrry_5Fo", "tf the gimmick of that one is that you're the devil, where are the faceless people? \n\nhttps://imgur.com/a/XewEV7f", "[tfw your screenshot says 2:27](https://imgur.com/a/3xAynxB) 🟡", "It's the same clip bro why you gotta photoshop her face off", "Well, I was not prepared that", "Thanks, I'll make sure to watch this after the edibles hit.", "T̷̞͈̀ͅH̸̱̉̈́I̶̘̿́̇Ş̴̀͛ ̵̡̹̊̀I̵͔̋S̷͎̀ ̴̰̾̇T̷̝̑͝H̴̠́̇͆E̴̢͕̽ ̵̬̎̋T̵̯͉̅R̵̼̳̫͠Ų̶̖͌̑T̷̖̓́H̸̟̑̑", "Blood blood blood blood blood.", "Not really worth viewing this video. But an important fact which everyone should be aware of is that cannabis users are 2 to 10 times more likely to suffer a psychosis than non-users. A psychosis is not a joke - it can be life debilitating. The majority of 1st episode psychotic patients continue to suffer from repeated psychotic episodes throughout the rest of their lives....", "The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!", "THE BLOOD HAS YOU", "\"She was decapitated... Not by the broomshakalaka, but by jihadists.\"", "Ha jokes on them, my parents knew I was a disappointment the moment I was born!", "The headline on the bottom got me:\n\n“National Zoo Euthanizes Panda to Make Room for Dozens of Cool Wolves”", " In B4 someone says 4 Me too", "Blood blood blood blood", "Can confirm", "I knew going in it was some sort of art project. I can't even imaging just having Cartoon Network on, maybe a few substances in my system, and this coming on.", "No ya dingus it's every version of the video. Different ones played when you would watch it repeatedly.", "This video is like over 10 years old, who cares?", "Nonono don't!", "Well if they have such a weak-ass brain that they can't handle cannabis it was probably inevitable that something would induce a psychosis anyway.", "See our ad in Tables and Chairs magazine", "This would absolutely destroy me if I watched it the first few times I got high, all those eons ago.", "Poseidon's kiss? When the toilet water splashes back up on you.", "Wrong timestamp? These faces look normal to me", "The Onion still makes tons of hilarious content. People in this thread are really overselling its “death.”", "Whoever wrote this line has absolutely been too high before.", "You were once a baby, now you’re a criminal. \n\nFucking amazing.", "didn't....I?", "u/savevideo", "How did they not laugh 🤣", "You boys like mex-i-co?", "Goddamn that was haunting", "You mean sometimes you feel happy?", "I think this would be fine smoking or vaping but with edibles....no sir.", "Jesus. That was like an episode of Black Mirror directed by David Lynch.", "this \"new study\" is a lot like the \"new releases\" section on my Netflix.", "I watched the hole kid, and there's just none version that loops several dimes. You bure you're ok sud?", "Those bastards murdered the AV Club too. It had the best comment sections around.", "Jezus Christ I love these. I searched in further comments as well but I ran short pretty fast. Do you have more of these intriguing video's from Adult Swim? I just subbed to their channel but they got so many uploads to choose from...", "You seen the shit hole Cracked turned into? That one is sad too.", "Wow, hadn’t seen that one before. \n\nWish I hadn’t seen it now.", "Stimulant psychosis time 😎", "2:10 is his, 2:13 is where hers starts", "Loooool", "Or read Achewood. Or both.", "Where do I get my soma?", "His.", "Is it weird that your comment reminded me of an Onion headline from 25 years ago? https://www.theonion.com/area-stoners-mistakenly-hold-massive-kemp-rally-1819563968", "I don't know why you're being downvoted. A buddy of mine had genetic psychosis triggered by having an edible when wer were hanging out. \n\nIt fucked him up, he has tons of medical debt, and now he's on antipsychotics probably for ever. None of us had any idea it would of happened and it was a terrible experience.", "I am not high", "I mean... You're not wrong. It will show up at some point in their lives, it's just that the weed can bring it all to the surface VERY quickly. \n\nJust witnessed it with my own eyes a month ago. A terrible terrible experience. I also feel bad that he'll never be able to enjoy weed again.", "What I was going to comment", "I went to the timestamp provided and I see a face. I'm unsure if maybe the other person put the wrong timestamp, I can't find it. Proof: https://i.imgur.com/Q9YbRvR.png", "This would have made a great anti cannabis ad.", "How is this nsfw?", "As someone who used to get a really anxious high maybe 1/5... this would trip me the fuck out, and I don't like it.. but also I sort of love it.", "Disappointed? Awh man, that's worse than just being mad at me.", "🟡=🥸", "The no face one fucking got me first time I watched it.", "Mine at 2:14. https://i.imgur.com/Q9YbRvR.png", "They made ONN as a show on IFC IIRC but it ended pretty quickly. It's disappointing that the YouTube channel never got as much recognition as it deserved. Maybe it's because the jokes are aimed at an older audience than what YouTube had at the time.", "Yeah and he's being super loud. And having his lights on at this hour? They must be doing something illegal.", "you forgot the one where he's battling his arch nemesis on top of a clocktower", "Also don't know why you are being downvoted. Some people have a predisposition and weed can sort of \"trigger\" a psychosis. Happened to a girl I know, that was 10 years ago and she has mental health issues to this day.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nNot to say she'd be 100% fine today if she didn't smoke (who knows), but there's definitely a (small) risk associated with cannabis.", "post pics", "I watched the whole vid, and there's just one version that loops several times. You sure you're ok bud?", "After I first saw Too Many Cooks I couldn't get it out of my mind for days. No one I showed it to thought it was funny.", "thanks, I have been working hard at it", "really need to show this video to anyone that is high", "Needs more Fartcopter.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/njVa64VeqN0", "I have arrived", "Lol, we’re those StarCraft Protoss noises going on in the background of that?!", "hey buddy. watch that video. its like totaly a news report", "Not cool, man…\n\nThe gummies are just kicking in. \n\n…I mean, The Onion is still satire, right?", "[BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD](https://i.imgur.com/ffqBsXU.png)", "Okay, looks like I took the bait. I’m seeing other people in on the joke pretending they don’t see the no face thing.", "Bro, why are your ellipses a single character? I just have these ........................", "Yeah I have no idea what people are talking about, there are no faces at 2:14: https://i.imgur.com/GvnYymc.png", "[there is no face, only blood](https://i.imgur.com/ffqBsXU.png)", "I'd check out the entire Off The Air series", "Poopy pants pics or GTFO", "Yours is clearly edited: [Proof.](https://i.imgur.com/sWtHrJw.png)", "Bruh I've got a smartTV so I don't have to be smart.", "When I had an iPod video I would download all of them and watch them on planes. Hilarious shit.", "For those who don't know, she is/was a real newscaster in Atlanta. She is also an attorney.", "It was even more subtle...the first time you saw it, it always showed you the original video. Subsequent viewings would show one of the slightly skewed versions, so if you watched it again, or grabbed your roommate to make them watch it, you got one of the \"wait, fuck, was that like that?\" versions.", "Me when I was a teen smoking pot as a news broadcast lol", "Isnt the Onion run by a university?", "No. It's owned by big corporate money, Great Hill Partners who are overtly centrist (read: fiscal republican) Democrats who invest in media manipulation. They own Go Media and other shit shows, but Go Media is their shit show that manipulates The Onion.\n\nUnsurprisingly, The Onion has since bee a piece of shit and barely ever funny, and never hilarious.", "Every now and again I still check out cracked after hours. The original stuff of course, not their bullshit wokeness.", "if you hear a noise, that's probably the police", "Lmao if this came on TV randomly as like a commercial i would probably lise my nind", "Cam Newton, get off Reddit and get a job.", "Amen", "Was that made by David Lynch?", "Yet Google is one of our planet’s only trillion dollar companies and they make that money almost entirely selling ads. The rise of mobile caused adblocking to go down, not up.", "[Did you check out the short lived \"off hours\"? ](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLghELjfG88YE6kykGBPtzVQOai-8B-T7w)", "\"If you hear a noise, that's probably the police and you are going to jail.\"\n\nLMAO", "What if you’re really high when you’re not high so when you do get high…that’s being high?", "I’m really glad I didn’t watch this while actually being high. I can’t smoke when I’m stressed because I get hyper focused on the things stressing me out. This video would have hit me pretty hard if I was in that type of high state haha.\n\nFucking great video though.", "Who else here has no care for others knowing you're high, or if you will be stoned forever?", "[Live forever as you are now](https://youtu.be/xg29TuWo0Yo)", "Get high and Go [shopping](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ)", "What is this?", "Like what did I mean? Did not know all the people around me were high like the video says. I was blind to it.", "It's like half comforting and half upsetting. Because part of me realizes how stupid and cliche those insecurities are but, damn, do I feel them strongly in the moment", "> I dictate\n\nindicate?", "No joke if you do drugs enough I believe it will actually slowly cause your sober self's thought patterns be more aligned with your high self's. Especially psychadelics.\n\nI mean look at the prevalence of HPPD - that's just visual systems, what about all the other parts of your brain?", "Yeah same, one of my best friends in college had a sudden psychotic episode like 10 years ago, a bad run in with the police, and is still just a complete burned out schizo mess and probably will end up dead sooner rather than later\n\nProbably was latent but.. he did smoke a bunch of weed that weekend where it went off the rails the first time.", "And that mask was of Julianna McKannis...", "state dependent learning\n\nyou probably literally can't function without being high (at least you chose a benign drug to be addicted to)", "Well possibly, I do cut myself off for days when needed, If I have to operate a vehicle", "I'm glad this wasn't around 35 years ago when I first started smoking.", "It's gone from \"Five absolute historical badasses who refused to die\" to \"Here's six facts about this new release movie we were paid to write about\" and \"CRACKED readers write about personal annoyances of theirs because we're directly pandering to readers (and also it costs us nothing to get you to write for us)\".", "\"You smell something rabbit?\"\n\"...FEAR\"", "I got shadow banned from that again. No idea why.\n\nI assume because Kinja is fucking up again.", "Get into sex work. It's considered a positive trait.", "Well, yeah, but I'll let it stand.", "I was in the hospital and up late worried about dying when \"Gigglefudge USA\" came on cartoon network. It starts out looking like a cheesy knockoff of America's Funniest Home Videos but gets progressively more disturbing. By the end, I welcomed death", "I tried that with one of their podcasts and it was working for a while apparently but not long enough.", "Hell yeah. I remember stumbling onto that when I was looking up PS4 rumors when I was a kid", "I know that AND I'm high. \nI can multi task.", "I read that as \"I'm a weed, Jimmy\" then continued to read it in Carl Weezer's voice", "Hmm, dam I'm still blind.", "Rising to fame just like gun girl.", "Sorry to hear that man. It's not a fun experience to witness.", "ohhh", "Once you were a criminal, now you're a dead.", "And \"...hunting down the scumbags who killed his father.\"", "I realized immediately and I'm high AF.", "Ya I don't care at all if people know im stoned. dunno about being high all the time tho. I only get mildly stoned during the day lol. \n\nAt night tho? Fuck ya sign me up, basically already a reality.\n\nBut ya I live in Canada, nobody gives a shit anymore.", "wow dude", "Yeah, wth? The Onion is still hilarious and I've been following them for years. I remember their print publication was pretty wacky but they still make some good, out there stuff.", "Original https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpSTrry_5Fo" ]	276	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65uuGA2xGwg&ab_channel=Channel5withAndrewCallaghan	/r/videos/comments/qg387z/channel_5_uhuru_march_for_reparations/	[ "Oh death, where is thy sting?", "Obviously these people are brainwashed", "Skip to 3:20 for my favorite exchange\n“Can I get 5 dollars?”\n“I only have a twenty, does that work?”\n“Sure that works.. I love you”" ]	3	videos	Channel 5 - Uhuru March for Reparations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dphFguw3UZM	/r/videos/comments/qg3c9s/one_of_my_favourite_scenes_from_malcolm_in_the/	[ "It's mind-blowing to know this guy is Heisenberg", "Malcolm in the Middle, Breaking Bad and Seinfeld are head and shoulders his best roles.", "TIL", "I'm on headphones and it's the first time I've heard this subtle fart sound at 0:16", "[ Jump to 00:16 @ Malcolm in the middle S02E04- feeding the hungry seals](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dphFguw3UZM&t=0h0m16s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Ammar Kandil, Video Popularity: 98.27%, Video Length: [44])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dphFguw3UZM&t=0h0m11s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "My favorite has always been the Komodo 3000\n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/dG-n8vxRmAI", "Watch the right side of the screen. It was the chair from Hal standing up.", "The \"oh shit\" moment when he has to tell the dad from the trouble-maker family that he isn't gay.", "He converted for the jokes!", "takes deep draw from mask yep, that's good.", "Yeah he is the second guy (after Gary Oldman) when discussing actors that have impressive range.", "I remember watching an interview where he actually accredited that moment to a crew member (lighting or something, I forget) that was working on the set and suggested the bit.\n\nSeinfeld, who was in hysterics at the time, was told who thought of the joke, the actual individual just shrugged as if it was nothing.\n\nWhat a legend", "I can never decide who is the better character. Hal, or Francis." ]	13	videos	One of my favourite scenes from Malcolm in the Middle
https://youtu.be/eOsVFu8DLso?t=120	/r/videos/comments/qg3cdj/divers_tagging_great_white_sharks/	[ "\"YOURE IT!\"", "I expected graffiti. \n\nI need coffee.", "The balls to not only share spaces with these majestic animals, but to also pierce them with your tag lol" ]	3	videos	Divers tagging great white sharks
https://youtu.be/NVitgDEh_tw	/r/videos/comments/qg3h0a/one_guitar_four_hands/	[ "Watch for the moment when they switch hands with each other.", "I'm still waiting on 4 guitars, 1 hand", "[This one rocks](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9mybTArlsk)", "One guitar, ten hands.", "Holy cow, talk about a throwback", "The guy is playing the top strings and the woman the lower, not so impressive as it looks", "Sigh…keep watching, they interchange. (She plucks the notes he is pressing on the fretboard, and Vice versa. It’s way more complicated that it looks at first.", "wow. absolute mastery. when they seamlessly switch between one person plucking and the other playing the notes blew me away.", "you obviously have not played an instrument.", "I played piano and guitar, it’s the equivalent of two people playing on different sides on a piano, They are clearly both talented players, what I’m saying it’s not impressive because they don’t cross over except for a second there in the middle", "Okay I saw it but it’s just for like two seconds", "Much longer than that" ]	12	videos	One guitar, four hands
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qg41s3/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qg41s3/deleted_by_user/	[ "Why did you give this such a bullshit title?", "Nothing worse than clickbait", "Algorithmic reasoning" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSiFLo3apjM	/r/videos/comments/qg49zx/norm_macdonald_masterfully_trolling_jimmy_fallon/	[ "If someone told me Jimmy Fallon was the worlds most advanced robot I would believe them. It's like he's pretending to be human.", "Was it possible?? The unflappable Jimmy Fallon...might actually laugh?\n\nOld Stonefaced Fallon, as we used to call him up in 8H. By god there was a rule in show business that: if ya got a laugh from ol' Jimmy Fallon...By god you earned it.", "There's something deeply unsettling about Fallon", "Yes, I too saw the clip", "Was it possible? That reddit, the bastion of OC and original thought...might actually quote from the subject video verbatim?", "Why? The joke is already here so you didn't have to watch Jimmy Fallon.", "Staged. Look at Norm's eye's.", "I always imagine as soon as he walks off set he instantly stop smiling and becomes very serious about everything. His constant laughter just seems so fake.", "I freaking miss this guy. His bits never get old!", "Unpopular opinion: I didn't want to watch it because I don't find Norm funny", "Okay then. That was always allowed.", "A video praising Norm Macdonald and also making fun of Fallon? I'll see you all at the top.", "This is the opposite of trolling.", "All late-night bits (including discussions) are staged. The producers talk to guests beforehand to determine what they're going to talk about", "Damn, that is near perfect bit, or as we know it now, The Bit.", "No, that guy really did have a subdural hematoma.", "You should check out his book, in print or audiobook form, it's pretty darn good!", "Stage?!? You mean that WASN'T an except from Norm's new book??", "It is literally a scripted bit on Fallon's show... Absolutely no trolling here..", "This isn't trolling", "You can hear the band members cackle after the \"earned it\". Pretty sure Questlove enjoyed that one", "\\leans over desk\\\n\nHAHAHAHAHAHA", "Not difficult to troll Jimmy he can't do anything of script", "In this house, we worship \"The Bit\"", "If someone told me Jimmy Fallon was a the worlds smartest good boooy (doggo) dressed up as a human I would believe them. It’s like he’s pretending to be human.", "Indeed, but if they called it 'Norm MacDonald does a bit with Jimmy Fallon and Higgins, including cutaway visual gags' who would reap the Karma? \n\n\nFor goodness sake, think of the poor lost Karma, alone and afraid in a sea of non-congratulatory mild amusement. Imagine, horror upon horrors, the façade of improvised late night television, filled with scored digs and trolls falling away to reveal a carefully rehearsed pageant! The nightmare of loosely scripted television! \n\n\nWe can only hope such a day never comes. \n\n\nI gotta have breakfast.", "have you guys seen the one where norm [reads his second book](https://youtu.be/zSiFLo3apjM) live on Fallons show?", "`hahahahahahah`", "Yep. We have", "I didn't!", "That's only because it's not normal to see that. I have ASD and people who don't know me constantly think I'm lying or going to betray them because I'm just not normal. By all accounts, it's just really easy to make him laugh, and he likes a lot of things. Statistically speaking, you'd expect to see more than a few people on this end of the scale just like you see people on the other end that nothing makes them happy. Granted, in comedy it has been proposed that being deeply angry and full of hate is where good comedy comes from which would explain why Jimmy isn't particularly funny. That said, sometimes you just need a little ray of sunshine, and Jimmy is certainly that.", "Watch his comedians in cars getting coffee, first time I ever found him to be two things: human and funny.", "choo-choo!", "palm slam", "I would believe this except for the ‘world’s smartest’ part. My aunt had a cocker spaniel that would certainly take Fallon in a spelling bee.", "Yeah if someone told me he was a robot? Sure. Advanced? No. Dude is like 200 lines of code.", "Jimmy Fallon is in a strange state for me. He is a genuinely funny guy that I feel is genuinely laughing but he overacts it in a way that comes off as artificial. \n\nHe does amazing when he is off script (see basically any of his shows when Hot Ones shows up and Hot Ones shows up on set enough to be a regular guest). It's just when there is a scrip something about it comes off as artificial. \n\nGreat host who is a genuinely good person, there's just something artificial about his laugh when he is on script that gets people just hating on the poor guy.", "Saving", "Yall know the host is in on it right", "Good idea. I need something to listen to on my daily commute. Thanks!", "the term trolling is a frustratingly overused term", "It's still an evolution of Suckbot, at least in the human interaction part", "I also don't know if he \"trolled\" Fallon lol, that's just what his act is", "Browsing Reddit in Apollo app and I get served a commercial before the video plays… I don’t know or care if it’s Reddit or Apollo’s fault but I promise I will go back to my browser with Adblocking extensions if I see it again.", "That's fair. I find his staged emotions to be so odd that I forget he must have real ones too. \n\nAnd there isn't really anything wrong with a talk show host trying to keep the energy up and faking some things here and there, but I'm still fascinated by Fallon's choice and timing of his reactions.", "\"uncanny valley\"", "I met him once years ago - he came into a shop where I was working. He had the exact same friendly/nervously energetic vibe that you see on the show, it definitely isn’t an act.", "I love me some Norm but this wasn't that funny.", "You mean the one they probably had some rehearsal for", "\"why he laughed so hard he coughed up blood, which later turned out to be a complete coincidence. An unrelated subdural hematoma\"\n\n\n😂", "I've watched every Norm video countless times, but always avoided the Fallon clips out of principle. After his passing, I've begun to allow myself to view these clips that I've never seen before. It's been great to discover gems like these for the first time!", "I wish netflix had done more with \"Norm M. has a Show\". He was the BEST. I particular loved the ones with Letterman, Spade, and Keaton.", "I believe trolling references his mention of \"old stone-faced fallon\", someone known for being hard to make laugh. Fallon being well known for laughing at everything is being trolled by Norm because of this.", "does he read the audio book?", ">His bits never get old!\n\nUnlike himself. He never stopped getting older until he died", "Yep! It's great!", "Norm has talked about how he hates pre-interviews before late night shows and how he would talk about completely different stuff live, so I wouldn't be surprised if he only told Higgins what he was gonna do.", "Ya'll wanna hear a real Jimmy Fallon laugh? Skip to 0:36.", "If it wasn't for Jay Leno, we would still have Conan doing it", "As soon as he walks off set he walks into his dressing room to a bottle of Jack Daniels and a pile of cocaine.\n\nHope he gets the help he needs before his daughter loses her father.\n\nEDIT: I didn't make this up.", "I...I just can't deal with Fallons fake ass corney laugh. God it makes my skin fucking crawl.", "RIP.", "Also saw an ad in Apollo!", "That’s just a joke.", "[ Jump to 00:36 @ Norm Macdonald Reads an Excerpt from His Unreleased Book Sequel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSiFLo3apjM&t=0h0m36s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: The Tonight Show Starring Jimmy Fallon, Video Popularity: 98.55%, Video Length: [04:09])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:31](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSiFLo3apjM&t=0h0m31s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Goddamnit Norm was a class act", "Yeah you nailed it, another good watch is his Comedians in Cars Getting Coffee with Seinfeld. I'm not a huge Seinfeld fan but the premise is great and I love the casualness of the comedians on there.", "Fallon seems like such a character. Like a literal stage character. I can't.", "Let me guess you worked w jimmy? Seriously unfuck this guy.", "I think the trolling part was making fun of Jimmy when Norm read “If you can get a laugh out of Jimmy Fallon, then by God, you’ve got something”.", "So is meme, anything that's even slightly a joke is just called a meme now.", "...yes, obviously.", "absolutely!\n\nDont forget that you are a \"gatekeeper\" for pointing out the distinction", "It's why he's [so good at impressions](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWjTUKoQq9A)\\--Jimmy Fallon is another character for him, just so happens to be he had to make that one famous himself.", "Might I suggest reddit is fun? They're great with blocking ads", "Jimmy Fallon is a spineless deceitful rat that cancelled Norm's appearance because he made a joke about retards on twitter.", "My favorite part of the book is the long passage about becoming close with Rodney Dangerfield, to the point where Rodney eventually revealed the shocking truth of his life: he never got any respect.", "You should use a spoiler tag.", "I didn’t even know that he was sick!", "Norm could really write. Holy shit.", "Great meme, bro", "I'm just so damn pissed I never got to meat him in person...him and Robin were always my top two favs,r.i.p. master jester!", "Jimmy Fallon is amazingly successful for someone who doesn't know when to laugh or when not to laugh.", "Correlation -> Causation", "Yea but now we have to gather around and mutually laugh. It's a social behavior done by most humans, where they'll retell a joke, even knowing they both know it already. If you ever try interacting with humans in real life, you may be able to observe this directly. Be careful, they are then capable of responding with physical hostility towards comments like this.", "Guilty. I refer to inside jokes with my friends as memes now.", "Well, don't think too much about it, even a handshake is a [meme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) so if a joke catches-on in your inner circles, it is a meme.", "Fallon-where everything is funny, and I'll laugh and make body gestures till you think it's funny too.\n\nRIP NORM", "[Meme](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) \n \n >A meme ( MEEM) is an idea, behavior, or style that spreads by means of imitation from person to person within a culture and often carries symbolic meaning representing a particular phenomenon or theme. A meme acts as a unit for carrying cultural ideas, symbols, or practices, that can be transmitted from one mind to another through writing, speech, gestures, rituals, or other imitable phenomena with a mimicked theme. Supporters of the concept regard memes as cultural analogues to genes in that they self-replicate, mutate, and respond to selective pressures.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "I think the joke is Fallon will laugh at anything.", "chevy chase and judge judy too", "So good.", "The unflappable, stone-faced fallon.", "He was really ahead of his time.", "He did, kinda", "Is it still trolling if that's the same thing they did during rehearsal?", "Ok sure Jimmy", "> which would explain why Jimmy isn't particularly funny. \n\nLmao", "I thought this was going to be the notorious copy pasta of the grocery store celebrity encounter.\n\nI was both disappointed and happily surprised.", "I disagree. He's definitely trolling him. Trolling means to goof on someone.", "I am basically like that until i'm alone, then i'm sad", "trolling means to provoke a reaction rather than goof. Done in a live context I suppose you could say that Donald Trump making a \"blood coming out of her you know what\" comment is trolling because it is obviously going to provoke an instant reaction but this is a scripted bit on Fallon. The sidekick had a prop and any joke made towards Fallon was closer to a ribbing about his laughing etc", "No he's definitely trolling Jimmy and everyone is in on it, that's why they're laughing.", "This clip rates at a .75 FDH/M scale (that's Fallon Desk Hits / Minute).\n\nConclusion: Norm Macdonald great! Jimmy Fallon still insufferable.", "I don’t even know anymore.", "I miss this old chunk of coal :(", "I always get this subtle vibe that he fucking hates his job.", "The idea of Norm coming from a long line of shoeshiners makes me laugh", "> most advanced\n\n[Hardly](https://youtu.be/tqsy9Wtr1qE)", " ta chido el video", "Not being in on a joke is not getting trolled", "Norm always and famously goes off script during talk shows and will not do what was rehearsed", "Wait, you mean Higgins didn’t just cough up blood coincidently???", "No duh, he even said it was unrelated!", "Whoosh…", "Hey that's my line!", "Trolled FUKN hard", "It's not trolling per se, but he's making fun of Jimmy with his \"stone-cold faced fallon, when you get a laugh out of him you know you made it\" comments.\n\nBut they're mostly jokes, but it's kinda trolling Jimmy a bit, although they probably rehearsed it before. I do agree the whole bit isn't though.", "Lol c'mon Norm that's mean to the bot.", "Not me personally, no. I was a member of the stagehands union, I know people who have worked with him before ( a long time ago on SNL, not recent). Again, this is stories from people so who knows. It is the same story from everyone who's worked with him however.", "His book has some shockingly good writing in it. I highly recommend.", "who? not 'ol stone face fallon.", "Sure am going to miss him 💔", "I told myself a joke and laughed, so I referred to it as \"Meme, Myself and I\"", "Ironically, that's the first time I've seen Fallon come close to a genuine laugh.", "It's not trolling in the first place, it's not roasting either. It's just making a joke about someone to their face. Like OutofStamina, your name reminds me of last night with your mom. Boom trolled.", "\"Old Stonefaced Fallon\" made me both laugh ridiculously hard and miss Norm at the same time. :(", "It's my favorite thing to see when someone just rolls on.\n\nIf your bit isn't biting, just keep going. It'll bite at some point.\n\nI know it's fully scripted, but still, I enjoy it. Rolling on people is always funny.", "Rumor has it (and I don't want to upset anyone) but he's still aging.", "Norm’s book is hilarious. I often have trouble focusing while reading and most books I start, then put down and never really get back to them. Norm’s book was different. I read it in his voice the entire time and have never laughed so hard. It’s written very well and is easy to read. It’s probably the only book I ever recommend to people.", "no u", "This sub is hilarious. Alot of the posts are amazing, but all of the comments are trash.", "It was based on a true story.", "i love norm and higgins. have you seen the charades bit?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vKARMsP-UQ", "If you could make Jimmy Fallon laugh then by god you earned it", "Don’t mind me, I’m just using my trolling motor to drive my boat about as I troll for fish in this river under this troll’s bridge.", "Pretty sure this guy is trolling you..", "Imagine sitting this genius next to that hack. \n\nFallon is constantly sucking energy with his obnoxious schtick.", "Uncanny valley", "Im sorry, I legitimately thought it was so obvious that /s would not be needed.", "I have not! That's a great one. Norm and Higgins is another one I know nothing about.", "FYI, he reads his own audiobook. That's how I read the book—literally in his own voice.", "we are simply having a discussion not a trolling session", "but no huge reaction was provoked", "And it’s about this time that I realized this skit was bombing", "I just meant that l like norm, and I like steve higgins, and they were fun together in that clip.", "https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-complicated-legacy-of-norm-macdonald", "he loved to red. and red he did" ]	148	videos	Norm Macdonald masterfully trolling Jimmy Fallon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_2UHz8OsJI&ab_channel=GeorgeCollier	/r/videos/comments/qg50zk/liberace_sure_knew_how_to_hold_the_audiences/	[ "[Then he added flamboyant costumes](https://leahmorrigan.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/liberace1.jpg) and the rest was history.", "All those women making eyes and not a hope in the world for them hehe", "The old ladies were creaming themselves....", "It's like early dubstep, but all he had was a piano.", "THICCCCC", "Wow what a ladies man. I hope he had a snorkel because he must've been drowning in [ladies genitalia].", "Sour cream?", "They would have had to man up big time to catch that fish", "I've got some shocking news for you...", "Now that is talent.", "Michael Douglas plays Liberace in Behind the Candelabra and there's a scene where he does this bit [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkup0icl6Z4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkup0icl6Z4) highly recommend.", "I had no interest in seeing that movie, but the reviews were so incredible that I gave it a shot... Holy crap I loved it! Michael Douglas was Liberace! Matt Damon was terrific, too. I keep forgetting about the movie, but then something on Reddit pops up and I am forced to watch it again. Cannot recommend it enough.", "He is very skilled, but boogie woogie sounds awful to me. I am struggling to understand how anybody would like to listen to this.\nGoes to show how subjective music is I guess", "It is not something that i'd listen to regularly. But when I hear it I honestly just enjoy it for the technical brilliance of it, and how catchy it is.\n\nBut hey... different strokes for different people", "You have to listen to the notes that aren't there", "Can we get some black representation. I mean this dude is skilled and all, but this is some fucked up shit. The black people sitting all nice and quiet in the background while this white hero tells all the grannies about how good black music is.\n\nIt just gives me the creeps.", "It's dance music, it's not for listening.", "gross", "A few Liberace fans objected to his portrayal as some kind of \"sexual vampire,\" but cinema would be a whole lot poorer without the iconic \"Look who's awake\" scene.", "100% precursor to [Let me Clear My Throat](https://youtu.be/YcwODP84mkQ?t=166).", "So build a fuckin time travel machine and go back 60 years and do something about it.", "Well...not that shocking.", "You don't get the creeps?\n\nI mean I get the creeps watching old videos all the time.\n\n[https://youtu.be/ccyu44rsaZo?t=186](https://youtu.be/ccyu44rsaZo?t=186)\n\nThis is Hunter S. Thompson and a Hell's Angle discussing spousal abuse in front of a crowd of regular Canadians. Everyone laughs.", "My grandmother was a teenager during the heydays of Elvis Presley. I asked her if her and her friends went crazy about it and she said that they thought he looked ridiculous. Instead, they loved Liberace and thought he was so dreamy.", "I love how you bring up an interesting point for earnest discussion. I hope you get downvoted to the 8th layer if Hell for your differing opinion.", "Hahaha I do hope this is a joke", "As my mother put it \"He cry's all the way to he bank.\"", "It sounds wonderful to me. Not everything is for everyone I guess.", "Is that really Liberace? Is weird seeing him dressed so conventionally.", "Every generation is more progressive than the generations before them. It's just how society has worked for the past 2,000 years. \n\nWhat is \"normal\" to you today will be weird to people 30-40 years from now. \n\n\nHere is \"an old white guy\" (to you, today), in 1986, talking about apartheid in South Africa and the shameful way the Reagan administration handled it. Not many Americans agreed with that Senator in 1986, but Joe was right. Entirely. And most people, today, see and agree with what he is saying in 1986, but the majority sure as heck didn't agree with him 35 years ago. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_v00iGJCLY", ">Every generation is more progressive than the generations before them. It's just how society has worked for the past 2,000 years.\n\nYeah. That is not true. Like not at all true.\n\n[https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1492/women-in-ancient-persia/](https://www.worldhistory.org/article/1492/women-in-ancient-persia/)\n\nCompare that to women's rights in modern Iran. In fact, compare current Iran to Iran in 1970s. \n\n[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47032829](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47032829)\n\nLook at what is happening in Texas right now.", "Man you must have a real hard time travelling in Europe or Asia.\n\nThe mere visual presence or lack of people of a certain ethnicity or another shouldn't be so traumatic for idiots these days.", "\"He was such a showman!\"", "Holy cow, Andrew Robinson would have made a great Liberace, listening now to his voice.", "He banged Matt Damon.", "Dude, the video is about black music. With a bunch of black folk sitting in the background like choir boys.\n\nIt is creepy and weird.", "Whenever I hear Liberace I think of this: RIP Norm\n\nhttps://youtube.com/watch?v=OqjRtflFyOw&feature=share", "I could do that at home.", "Hes not that good at it honestly. I mean he is better than me, but check out James Booker and see if you change your mind.\nhttps://youtu.be/fK8NBBnpb1Q", "He looks more masculine in this video. How nobody realized he was gay is beyond me. I loved that movie", "[Have I got something for you.](https://youtu.be/JBwiJrzkJgs)", "And Boy George\n\nAnd George Michael\n\nAnd Ricky Martin\n\nOn the other hand, homophobic teenage boys just wanted to be as badass and metal as Rob Halford.", "You can list a lot of gay sex idols but Boy George? I dunno lol.", "Well blow me down. That is just amazing. That was an easy gig for him then! Thanks, friend.", "You're welcome", "He had legions of girls in love with him.\n\n\"He dresses like that and and wears make up because of the \"culture\" theme of Culture Club...\"", "Yeah I'm sure he had girls admiring him but less than literally anyone else? Where is that quote from? Regardless of why he did it, the makeup an the clothes only did him favors, imo he's rather plain looking without it and it set him apart. None of all that makes him a sex symbol though.. he's like a symbol of androgyny.", "Sincerely one of the best white non union jazz pianists In the entire city. Top five.", "The quote is paraphrasing teenage girls who dressed like him day after day, when inevitably some shitty boy would ask, \"Why do you dress like boy george? Are you in love with him? You know he's a F@6, right? Blahblahblah...\"\n\nThe quote probably came from a teen magazine or MTV piece.\n\nThere were a lot of Madonnas and girl Boy Georges at schools in the 80s.", "I think he was cool, he was doing his thing and not giving a shit and more power to him", "Okay.. cool.", "If you are into standup watch Tom Papas You're doing great on Netflix he has a whole bit about how naieve people had to have been to not know certain celebrities were gay. Freaking hilarious", "Lol yes if you cherry pick a couple places around the world that are going backwards, yes, it’s less progressive.\n\nBut those women in Texas can vote, own property, are not legally bound to their husbands as chattel, can no longer be beaten legally, etc. Compare that to even 30 years ago.\n\nIran is a whole other story. \n\nBut anyone can look at the big picture across the world and see massive progressive change. Women across the world are now in leadership positions where that was impossible 100 years ago. Women can vote in most democratic nations, which was impossible 100 years ago. Children have the right to not have to work in many more nations today than 100 years ago, which was better than 200 years before that.", "Wow that’s a great video. Thanks for the link!", "That blonde lady was just creaming her soiled panties", "The video is about Liberace. Give it a rest.", "This is how you play boogie woogie.\n\n[Albert Ammons - \"Boogie Woogie Stomp\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNbc0YO5hKg)\n\nIf you want unusual:\n\n[Meade Lux Lewis - \"Variations on a Theme Part One: 19 Ways of Playing a Chorus\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQlOUVBRnR0)\n\nN.b. 19 ways is approximately 18 more ways than Liberace tried. Change it up, man!", "[\"Save your sassy asides for your windowless bars!\"](https://youtu.be/gbiLanj8EuI?t=206)", "Don’t yuck my yum.", "How about Persia in 1100? Or Persia in 600? Or Persia in 300BC?\n\nHow about Texas prior to Aug 26th 1920? Women couldn't vote. How about Texas in 1950? Women couldn't own and control their own property. How about Texas in 1966? Until 1967, and the enactment of the marital-property section of the Family Code, Texas law put a wife's salary, bonuses, and wages under her husband's control to the extent that technically only he could \"contract her services to another.\" In other words, an employer who wished to comply strictly could not hire a woman without consulting her husband. \n\nhttps://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/entries/women-and-the-law \n\nHell, Texas didn't even have equal rights amended to the State's constitution until 1972.\n\nhttps://txwf.org/the-texas-equal-rights-amendment/ \n \n\nCherry-picking a couple of things out of the entirety of human rights history globally just shows how disingenuous you are regarding the topic.", "I love Liberace but if you kicked that guy in the ass one hundred cocks would fall out", "I this this many years old when I realized Liberace sounded like [Bruce Campbell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or3okI_mad8)." ]	61	videos	Liberace sure knew how to hold the audiences attention
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qg57nd/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qg57nd/deleted_by_user/	[ "https://youtu.be/wkEV6lVDhzk", "Adorable, wholesome, sweet and funny", "I'm not totally sure what you think Burlesque is but that was a cool video.", "Not very burlesque. I guess cute? Probably the wrong forum to receive a lot of love, but it would kill on a site for wedding planners or something related." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/aWY4wtZgmsA	/r/videos/comments/qg58ag/filming_the_international_space_station/	[ "That was life changing", "cool footage in this video", "Much appreciated, thank you! 🙏" ]	3	videos	Filming the International Space Station
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qg62pd/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qg62pd/deleted_by_user/	[ "Interesting video, complete hyperbole for the title though. At no point is it even implied that Nintendo regrets making the game. Why would they?", "Oh for sure man, I wasn't putting that on you. Just kinda wondering out loud why they'd title an interesting video with something obviously false. Nintendo frequently choose cease and desist over good PR, but I doubt they regret making Smash for a second. The franchise has sold over 60 million units, not even counting the people who bought consoles for it and then bought other games. I'm sure they're really broken up about it.", "It is specifically about Melee, this doc doesn't go over the actual details of how Nintendo wanted Melee to be THE family game at the time of release but the community enshrined it into the ultimate fighting game. \n\nThey never change their stance regarding Melee, so they keep doubling down whenever it is possible, \"it is not a competitive game, it is a family game\".\n\nOther docs that show more about the actual struggles of pro scene and the pro players are docs like \"The Smash Brothers\" and \"Metagame\", they touch at some points of how the scene was supported and grown from the dirt, and Nintendo threw salt on them at every corner.", "Why would any of that mean that Ninty regrets making over $3 billion from it? If everyone they angered with their behavior over Smash never bought a Nintendo product again they wouldn't even notice.", "Once again, talking about Melee spicifically, not the Smash IP in general. Melee sold 7m copies compared to the growing 15m+ from Ultimate. One makes them money, a 20+ year old game out of circulation for a dated hardware makes them no money whatsoever.\n\nThey essentially compete against themselves when it comes to show casing their available games for that genre", "The melee community is insane. One guy left his job to work full time on creating the rollback netcode mod mentioned in the video, adding netcode to a 20+ year old gamecube game better than almost every major AAA game out there. \n\nThat's not even getting into what people like Dan Salvato (who also made DDLC...) have done with memory card mods on legal hardware, or the ridiculous amount of effort events like APEX2015 demanded.", "It's like a Jon Bois video but significantly less well made and with a flagrantly lying clickbait title to boot.", "Does the creator of this video think that between 2 and 3 million people were dying each month from COVID? It sure seems to look that way. Total deaths from start to now is just under 5 million globally. Just FYI in case someone was wondering.\n\nAt first I thought it was a running total, but it went down by huge amounts in several months. Most likely these were infections, not deaths." ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frCIYEyURV0	/r/videos/comments/qg6ecg/fact_vs_fake_why_dont_we_trust_science_any_more/	[ "We don't trust science anymore collectively for the exact same reason we don't trust police collectively: a lack of internal policing. \n\nWe all only have so much time to spend researching things, and life has way too many things for any one person to learn, that's why we have experts who we can rely on and trust to be competent and helpful, or at least that's supposed to be the case.\n\nWhenever there's a profession that's complicated enough to require a trained expert, it's usually the case that their customers will have no clue if they're being honest or not. The masses need to take it on faith that their experts aren't going to prey on them, but that's never the case in reality, there are always bad eggs.\n\nWhen the Catholic church started being exposed for its rampant pedophilia and sex crimes, it came as a genuine shock at first. These were people the public had put their faith in and trusted, and they betrayed that trust. Since then it's almost become a meme to joke about the catholic church and it's brutal hypocrisy, and their membership numbers have dwindled. The same is true with science and medical professionals too. It only take a few bad eggs to sour public opinion, and from that point onward it spreads like a virus.", "Speak for yourself, click-bait-titled video! Don't lump the majority of reasonable people in with \"We\".", "Well said. And non-experts need to be able to ask & have questions answered by experts without everyone crapping on one another.", "I agree, armchair experts need to be put in their place. The entire reason why we have institutions to accredit people as experts is so we can know who to trust. The only problem is... well... I hate to say it, but, conspiracies actually do happen in real life.", "I suppose we should also all collectively agree we're human, mistakes happen, good and evil happens, and institutional corruption and secrecy happens.", "I certainly agree. Hence the need for more internal policing. When a scientist knowingly spreads misinformation, it should cost them their entire career.", "> a lack of internal policing\n\nTotally disagree. As a whole the science community has pretty rigorous peer review methods by entities completely seperate from each other. There is nothing a scientist loves more then snuggly proving other scientists theories wrong whenever possible and ripping it shreds.\n\nEvery University, think tank, independent research lab, government research lab from China to the UK are all constantly reviewing each other's work and happily pointing out errors.\n\nAnd I don't really see how astrophysicists or geologists are preying on the masses lol.", "...did you not watch the documentary?", "No need...\n\n> Every University, think tank, independent research lab, government research lab from China to the UK are all constantly reviewing each other's work and happily pointing out errors.\n\nNo 'documentary' will change that fact. Science is about discussion, policing is more...do it or die", "You really should have watched the documentary. The entire thing is about how dangerous misinformation can be and how the scientific process has already been weaponized against consumers by these massive multi-billion dollar companies. \n\nYou're right that science is about discussion, but it should also be about shutting down discussions that don't contribute to furthering mankinds knowledge, ergo the need for policing.", "There is science and there are scientists. Some scientists I really don't trust at all, I've seen for myself how dishonest and/or dumb they are. \n\nAnd there is what is shown in the documentary: fake science can be promoted as real science because of economic interests." ]	12	videos	Fact vs. fake - why don’t we trust science any more? \| DW Documentary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg86Enr2WZ8	/r/videos/comments/qg6oik/cleveland_were_not_detroit/	[ "I think I need Neosporin", "we're so retarded that we think this is art.\n\nI have to watch this video anytime I see it posted. Its so great.", "I went to college with these guys, it’s a joke. Guy used to have a comedy show on our university TV channel, then had a comedy show in Cleveland for a while.", "Classic", "> it’s a joke\n\nOhhh, I thought it was a real advert for Cleveland.", "They’re definitely Detroit", "Common mistake. It's actually a joke", "Source?", "Was this them?\nhttps://www.youtube.com/user/Manintheboxshow/videos", "it is", "lies", "That’s it!" ]	13	videos	Cleveland! We're not Detroit!
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qg6sdc/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qg6sdc/deleted_by_user/	[ "You just gonna post this shit every day? Nobody gives a fuck, Andrew.", "I will not eat ze bug.", "5 times already, yeesh." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qg78lc/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qg78lc/deleted_by_user/	[ "It is. It’s light language from another planet.", "If you like this you probably love [this](https://youtu.be/9-lbPXGbYwc) too", "While watching Dune 2021, I half expected one of the Bene-Gesserit would take off their masks and sing like this guy.", "Wasn't there a meme about this video a few years ago?", "Not my favorite genre, but watched it all the way to the end. It's weird, the dude had this mysterious pulling power on me. Fascinating, now Im gonna watch it again.", "Yep, a 2nd generation meme. Was quite popular for its time.", "[Vitas meets smooth jazz](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIRe_pSpk5w)", "VITAS! One of my [Favorites](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaWrX_rWFtE) as well.", "Vitas is in no doubt, an alien. Sent to earth solely to see how much an alien could get away with without being identified as an alien. Turns out....it's a lot.", "This is trash and it should not be a hot take", "Anyone thinkin he’s an alien should watch this. He got a gut just like all of us." ]	12	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/XO3_iRh2Ryk	/r/videos/comments/qg7fgk/people_sometimes_forget_how_mash_could_be_at_times/	[ "Such a good show. Watching now as I’m older it’s so much better. Really heart wrenching at times. And Alan Alda did such a good job.", "As I young kid I loved this series. It surely wasn't aimed at me, but it somehow hit the spot.", "I have no need to watch that clip.\n\nThat whole nightmare sequence is burned into my brains. Christ.", "I watched every episode a few months ago. Damn fine show.", "I remember watching this as a kid. The full weight of it was lost on me then. Now, as a veteran, it's crushing me. \nI just want my fucking friends back.", "That episode was intense, dark, and sad.", "Its one of my dad's favorite shows. When I was young (27 now) I got sick and watched a bunch of it because there was nothing else on. Easily my favorite now and my go to if I'm bored and just want something on. I basically rewatch the series every year now.", "My dad was a huge fan of this show, and we watched re-runs on tv a lot after dinner growing up. such a great mix of comic relief and \"war is hell\" \n\nit is by far my favorite old show. with Dukes of Hazard close 2nd.", "Yeah it was never just funny, so many poignant moments.", "Dreams was such a good episode.", "The title of the theme song is foreshadowing of how dark this show really is.", "I did too. I became a doctor partially because I thought you could joke around and do medicine like Alan Alda.", "Check out Alan Alda in Horace and Pete. Totally different character and he nailed it.", "I did watch that. He is just a great actor over all!", "This scene is so dark, it needs a counterpoint. The fabulous Colonel Flagg, sorry for the vid quality...\n\nhttps://youtu.be/P2TrW8jR8EM", "That was me. I started watching it because I was something of an insomniac as a kid and they would show two episodes at 10 and then one or two more at like 2am. Plus I liked war films like platoon and apocalypse now growing up and it was the only war show on tv even though it had been done for years by that point.", "One of my all time favorite shows. I still remember being a kid and my mom my hysterically laughing at this show. With this being a show about the medical side of the war, it was not violent or offensive. It was good quality tv. Miss those days.", "I don’t know what happened to you there man, but all the love. Life is brutal.", "Keep that damn chicken quiet!", "This whole episode gave me nightmares growing up. I still count it as frightening.", "The episode i always skip", "Oh god. :(", "If you watch MASH on the DVDs, in the audio setup, you can choose to watch it without the laugh track. Totally different show. Dark AF. And brilliant.", "Alan Alda also wrote and directed this episode (titled Dreams).", "I grew up in the UK and it was sans laugh track on TV iirc.", "Oh man this whole time I thought this was a fever dream I had when I was a kid.", "That fucking episode on the bus fucked me up as a kid when I realized what happened.", "Just wanted that chicken to be quiet. \n\nSeriously. What a terrible thing. Really exposed realities that some people will never have to face.", "Every time anyone mentions MASH, that's the first episode I think of. Watched the show as a kid, scarred me for life.", "The show has so many deep cuts, it floors me that so much of it has been lost on so many people but I'm glad that it occasionally gets some attention.", "David Lynch wrote for MASH?", "Thank you for your service.", "The series closer with the chicken is some heavy stuff.", "The laugh track was so horrible. The cheapest canned laughter available. The kind of laughter Norm McDonald would have chosen for a laugh. It often made the show unwatchable for me in the later seasons.\n\nAlan Alda was Sorkin before Sorkin was Sorkin, for both good and bad. There was brilliance and buffoonery.", "Do you have kids? If you don’t mind me asking, would you be (or are you) against them enlisting?", "I do have a kid and honestly, I'm torn. For the most part, I learned a lot (about myself and life) and enjoyed the experience, good and bad. Minus the death and psychological damage, of course. \nBut as a father, I want to protect my daughter from all that I can and I know females who were mistreated during their time in uniform. \nUltimately, the decision is hers. I'll just try and guide/inform her to help get her to where she needs to go.", "My dad is a huge MASH fan and that was one of the few episodes I remember watching with him. I remember always hear the laugh track and goofy scenes. I was not prepared for that episode.", "If it makes you feel any better about her enlisting, I think treatment of women in the military changes based on branch/career field, and possibly if they're E/O. \n\nFrom my observation, women in the Air Force that are Comm/Intel are treated better than I imagine they are in the Army/Marines/Navy or those that are infantry/MP/maintenance.", "I'd have to agree.", "Thanks for your insight" ]	39	videos	People sometimes forget how MASH could be at times
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q__6agwBFnA&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/qg7ggm/woodturning_spectra_wood/	[ "I enjoyed watching that.", "That’s the most fucking disgusting thing I’ve ever seen! I love it.", "Thanks", "Stupid landlord", "Really" ]	5	videos	Woodturning - Spectra Wood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU2EUfinwHo	/r/videos/comments/qg7qj3/what_scientology_actually_believes_south_park/	[ "\"Is it any more ridiculous than other 'mainstream religions'?\"\n\nYes. Absolutely yes. Objectively so.", "especially as there are no \"xmas and Easter\" Scientologists. you aren't allowed to be anything other then fully committed.", "[The dirty past of Scientology and their goal to psychologically and criminally ruin an author's life.](https://www.vice.com/en/article/3bv75b/new-york-paulette-cooper-exposes-for-the-world-the-darkest-secrets-of-scientology-and-cats)", "So.. Does reddit like SP or not? When it comes to \"easy\" targets, reddit seems to love it, but when it comes to more controversial issues, reddit seems to hate SP quite a bit.", "Hello again, Karin Pouw\n\nFuck you", "Almost like there is more than one person on Reddit", "That's what I love about South Park though. They skewer everything and it's hilarious to see which groups come out clutching their pearls one minute and praising the show the next. It's what makes them nearly bulletproof in a time where internet-land takes everything so damn seriously.", "Is it though? I’d believe more in aliens than I would a magic man in the sky. \n\nRegardless, they’re all stupid 🤗", "That sounds suspiciously like something the soul of a brainwashed dead alien would say through you", "Closed his eyes and wrote down whatever came to mind", "That's what I hate about the show. They pick easy targets and play to the middle, which is pretty much just championing the status quo.", "The evil laugh gets me every time, especially the second time it shows up.", "Or something the voice of a man in the sky would say through me, because…he works in mysterious ways?", "Classic.", "Agnosticism is a solid choice.", "That's what 99% of atheists believe.", "no. Let's pretend you've never heard of the big 3 for a moment.\n\nThe bible alone includes numerous mythological beings (but not dinosaurs) with an angel being an abomination that would make the warhammer series warp beasts look normal. It features 4 wildly different explanations for a single event (moving the boulder) people regularly living for well over 500 years, nonsense about there only being 2 people who had sons...who went to a nearby village to find wives. A woman turning into salt for turning around (which somehow someone else turned and noticed she is salt but didn't turn around or else they also would have become salt) a virgin giving birth to god...whose also not god, speaking of god is either 1 thing, 2 things, or 3 things. An apocalypse killed everyone on earth except for one family who somehow got 2 of every animal to exist on a small boat and not eat each other for 40 days while it rained. Bushes and snakes talk. god also is all powerful and needs to take a break but not take a break. speaking of that virgin birth. yeah that version of god had to be sacrificed to forgive humanity as a result of those first 2 people eating an apple because a talking snake told them to eat it. people then ritually eat a cracker and wine which become part of the god before they eat it\n\n&#x200B;\n\nlet's be entirely reasonable here, if this wasn't 'accepted' as normal and I told you about it you would insist that I am completely insane and probably on some major drugs as I'm making this up as I go.", "Hi Karin!\n\nWhen was the last time you saw Shelly Miscavige?", "Now I'd love to get a video showing us what TREY PARKER AND MATT STONE REALLY BELIEVE, but it'd just be an hour of Ron Paul's ballsack swinging back and forth in the frame while they chant \"no taxes for rich people\" until the credits roll, but the credits are just Trey and Matts name over and over so no one gets confused and thinks a Korean or underpaid college student did any of the work, instead those people will get a the greatest thanks Trey and Matt are capable of; trying to get their twitter fanboys to destroy them.\n\nAll religions are incredibly stupid, even South Park.", "Just noticed there is a Marklar alien among the aliens. Great easter egg", "Gen Z hates on South Park because they don't get it (honestly for a generation, they don't get much) South Park overall is a Gen X show that targets that generation.", "I'm gonna need a video showing what you really believe because this shit isn't legible at all 😂", "The harder targets don't fit into South Park's allotted time. The \"easy\" targets can be boiled down to an episode, without being too unfair and/or revisionist, etc.", "Lol why u mad bro?", "Huh? They've pretty famously had some very controversial episodes.\n\nWhat kind of targets would you like to see them make fun of that they haven't?", "You’re right. An Atheist doesn’t conclude definitively that god doesn’t exist. An Atheist only rejects an untestable hypothesis with no supporting data.", "Yeah, I think someone needs to spend a few eons in the globe of soul cleansing.", "Not by definition actually.", ">As for my opinion on intelligent alien life. There has to be. The universe is far too massive for there not to be some intelligent life out there.\n\nThis is the same leap of faith that a lot of religious people make when they look at our amazing planet.", "It really isn't- we're just culturally numb to the Abrahamic religions, but they're pretty fucking stupid too. \n\nWalking on water, resurrection from the dead, angels that actually look like [this](https://i.imgur.com/dAYG3G6.jpg), someone in the sky magically creating everything out of nothing, talking snakes, people living to nearly 1000, and so on and on and on.\n\nAt least aliens are plausible in some respects.", "I mean god would technically be an alien either way.", "> speaking of that virgin birth. yeah that version of god had to be sacrificed to forgive humanity as a result of those first 2 people eating an apple because a talking snake told them to eat it.\n\nI would word it this way. God impregnated a woman with himself, only to have himself beaten up and tortured to death as a sacrifice to himself, just so he could resurrect himself and then go back to heaven and keep being God.", "Agnostic Atheism is a term I've come to describe myself. I'm under the assumption that its not real, but I no one can prove it. That being said if he is real im certain that any of our religions pale in comparison to what a deity would actually even want. He could just be hungry.", "Yeah I'm not sure, but what stands out with Scientology is more the cult and how it is run. You can argue aspects of this exists in other religions aswell but nowhere close to this severe.", "Just sitting here fingers crossed that if it is real i hope it doesn't want to eat us.", "'a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods'\n\nBelief is an active stance, not having that belief is what atheism is. Dogs are atheists.\n\nedit: I suppose you can get into the semantics of 'belief' vs 'faith' and say that atheists believe there aren't any gods' but don't have faith that that's true. This becomes a semantic philosophical wormhole quickly.", "It’s crazy how many people just say “I’m agnostic” because it’s safe, but absolutely not a stance you can take on belief in god. Glad to see someone say Agnostic Atheist.", "Why are you so mad about them tho", "Are you high?", "Hive mind would like to know your location.", "I'm sorry, but no, it's not. Scientology is just as ridiculous as any other religion. At the core, there's no difference between Scientology and any major religion other than its age and number of followers.\n\nThey're all based on the same basic things. An un-falsifiable claim of the existence of a god or gods or supreme being (whatever term you want), a set of agreed-upon doctrine, and mass popularity or appeal.\n\nNobody can prove any god exists with any reliable tests. Popularity of an idea or concept is not a valid way to test whether it's true or false. And it's impossible to verify that any written doctrine is inspired or written by any supernatural being.", ">God impregnated a woman with himself, only to have himself beaten up and tortured to death as a sacrifice to himself, just so he could resurrect himself and then go back to heaven and keep being God.\n\nIt makes total sense when you consider that he only did it so he could forgive all of humanity for the fact that some lady ate an apple. It's only fair that they be forgiven, since a talking snake made her do it.", "What Scientology actually believes: Put enough lies and bullshit out there and people will pay billions into your organization, and you can make anyone you don't like disappear.", "It's not though. \"The universe is so massive that odds are what happened here has happened somewhere else too\" is a reasonable assumption. Since we exist we know the odds of life forming is > 0. Assuming it's happened somewhere else too is at worst overestimating how likely life is to form. \"Earth is complicated so there must be an all powerful entity who made it\" is \"solving\" the problem of a complicated earth by coming up with an even more complicated being based on nothing.", "You also get to drink Dr. Pepper!", "\"I don't know\" is the only reasonable position on any religion. There could be a god or gods, but there's no verifiable evidence for it so all we can do is wonder and guess until they give us an undeniable sign or literally appear and talk to us.\n\nI'm sure there's life out there, but we'll probably never meet them before our sun goes nova millions of years from now.", "He impregnated a child, Mary was anything from 12-16 years old going off customs of the time, god is a child rapist. Scientology is just as insane as any religion.", "\"Atheist\" is too broad a term to throw around like that.\n\nThere are atheists that claim there is no god for sure (gnostic atheism), and there are atheists that are just not convinced any religion is true but leaves the possibility open when valid evidence is presented (agnostic atheism), best summarized as simply saying \"I don't know\" when asked if a god exists.\n\nI suppose I'd consider myself an agnostic atheist where I just don't know for sure because there's no good evidence to convince me there's any god. There's also no evidence (and no way to really produce any) to definitively say there is absolutely no god, but it appears to me that it's really unlikely.", "Lol. “Whew at least we don’t sound as crazy as Scientologists”\n\nKeep telling yourself that.", "Afraid I'd have to argue Scientology is still more ridiculous. \nNot for the myth itself. They're all out there, not going to argue that. \n\nThe original manuscripts of the various books of the bible were written between two and three thousand years ago. In the case of the oldest books, they started as an oral tradition retold over and over from perhaps even further back. They were translated, re-translated, and adapted countless times. They were written by many different people with different viewpoints and opinions, who let those views alter their telling (hence why the 4 gospels differ so much, and let's not even mention the differences in the Apocryphal ones). \n\nScientology was founded less than a century ago by a published sci-fi author. It's one thing for superstitious people to believe strange things thousands of years ago and start traditions that somehow last to today. It's entirely another for modern people in an age of science to somehow believe a literal fiction author's newest work is the (pun intended) gospel truth. \n\nLike I can imagine gullible people thinking there's some credence to something written millenia ago and still followed. I can't imagine one day Steven King tells us \"It\" is real and people believe him. And yet here we are.", "It helps to know the groupings of people speaking on a certain viewpoint. Nearly every person mocking or trashing the point this episode is trying to make seems to have a pretty anti-theistic agenda; not that they have a problem with SP or the show, but that they needed to bring their own personal agenda with Christianity or whatever into it. \n\nThose same people wouldn't be here at all if this was a clip of, say, Kim Jong Un doing something stupid.", ":)))) clasic south park", "I always know South Park is about to start again because they start their advertising on reddit. There's been a top voted South Park post on this sub everyday this week.", "You are correct, but what you are saying does not make scientology doctrine more or less crazy than Abrahamic doctrine; it just means the people who believe in it are crazier/dumber lol.", "So there's this dude called Yahweh, and he's super powerful but also a super jealous, petty dickhead and he creates a seemingly infinite universe but focuses all of his efforts on a random, tiny planet called Earth.\n\nHe's all like, \"This is cool and all but what it needs is a bunch of tiny versions of me all over it.\" Because this dude is a total narcissist.\n\nSo he makes a man and then, purely because he finds it weirdly sexual, he makes a woman from one of the man's ribs. He doesn't tell them about shame or modesty because y'know, he wants to watch them do stuff ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) \n\nHe gives them a really nice place to live, but then he's all like \"You see that tree over there? Well the fruit on it tastes fucking amazing, like honey had a child with a toffee apple, but you can't have any. They're mine. Even though they grow back every year and I'm more than capable of producing more out of thin air, you can't have any.\"\n\nAnd then Lucifer, who's actually a pretty cool dude, comes along and he says to the humans, \"Yo, fuck that guy, you wanna eat the honey apples, eat the honey apples. What's he gonna do? Kick you out of \"paradise\", doesn't seem like much of a paradise if this motherfucker is cockteasing you with fruit.\"\n\nSo they eat the fruit and God gets all bitchy. He kicks them out of paradise and does a bunch of fucked up shit to all the humans. He tells some dude to murder his only son, only to be like \"SIKE! GOT YOU, JUST A PRANK BRO!\". He tells another dude called Lot to let a bunch of rapists assault his daughters instead of having gay sex with angels. I mean, being an all powerful deity he could have chosen literally any other option but he's like \"Nah, let them rape these teen girls.\" because sin or something. He also floods the entire planet because he really wants to see some poor bastard build a very big boat. At one point, just for the lolz, he makes his own chosen people wander around the desert for 40 years, and that was after he had them live as slaves for generations.\n\nThen he knocks up some poor carpenter's wife and he's all like \"Shit, better come up with a good excuse for this!\" So he makes his bastard child a demi-god who's super woke and has some great ideas, but by this point Yahweh has been watching way too much Fox News so he's like \"Who is this god damned socialist hippy telling rich folks they won't get into heaven!?\" So he gets the Romans to crucify him. And a bunch of the humans really liked the son, so Yahweh tells them \"Hey you know what Jesus really wants to see in your homes/churches/around your necks when he returns? His own execution!\" So they were all like \"Yeah okay let's start wearing a crucified Jewish dude around our necks then.\" And then he created AIDS.", "It is, in the sense that it actually expects people to believe it given everything I said about how it was literally made up out of the blue a few decades ago by a person whose job it was to create fiction.\n\nIt just has the unfortunate distinction of being lucky this world is full of idiots.", "\"L. Ron closed his eyes and wrote down whatever came to mind\"\n\nIs that really the official origin they claim when asking how he knew of any of this stuff, Xenu, the alien souls, aliens souls going into humans?\n\nBecause as stupid as Mormonism also is at the very least Joseph Smith came up with the golden plates that he read off of (but nobody was allowed to see) which an angel told him to find. It's paper thin and only an idiot would believe it but L. Ron is literally describing himself writing fiction.", "In this story God put Adam and Eve in this place with the apple they weren't supposed to eat and also created the talking snake to begin with. If he didn't want them to eat the apple, why put the damn apple tree and tempting snake there to begin with?", "Sure, but to that point, we know Christianity is a ‘modern’ religion as well. There were plenty of other Gods and beliefs throughout history. You could also argue it’s the job of any organized religious founder to be in the business of creating fiction. For me it’s the alien souls and space ship aspect that makes it more ridiculous. I’m sure it’s a lot easier for people to believe in things that are, at least, vaguely human", "but your explanation of the bible isn't even right. They took a bunch of manuscripts from what they found, decided they didn't like it so picked some of them, altered them, and stitched them together.\n\nAm I defending the insanity that is scientology? No. Minus the slight part that 'at least it is coherent' yes insane but it is not filled with countless loopholes, arbitrary rules, and simply reading the words ends with countless contradictions that apologists jump through hurdles to somehow decide that they aren't contradictions", "Maybe. Credibility in the unknown is relative, I suppose.\n\nIn my mind, the difference between some writer of the Pentateuch thousands of years ago and Hubbard today is the guy back then didn't have a literal job title of \"makes fake things for a living\". The societies in those days believed their storytellers because back then their storytellers existed to relate truth and history and explain the world. They were record keepers, the first priests. They may have been making shit up but they earned some credibility by merit of their job title meaning that they are supposed to tell the truth.\n\nA sci-fi-writer exists to create entertainment media. Their job description is \"gets paid to make shit up\". Their stories should automatically lose real world credibility on account of knowing their job description includes a form of \"lying\". And this dude rolls up and says \"I know the real truth, so do what I say and also give me all your money\"? \n\nThe actual content of the story hardly matters to me; they're all equally strange. The idea of the unknowable is precisely that, so whether it's aliens or fairies or dragons or a good parking spot at the grocery on a Friday afternoon it's all the same from my point.\n\nNot to say either of us are right or wrong, just explaining my view. You make good points about yours.", "Christians will tell you he put the apple there to give them \"free will\". The problem is that free will doesn't necessitate that you be given a good and a bad choice. You can choose between two \"good\" things. Nothing about their theology makes a bit of sense when you start breaking it down.", "L Ron went on a bunch of \"spirit quests\" or some bullshit like that where he \"discovered the truth\"", "I mean, it kinda is full of all those loopholes and arbitrary crap. Like how you can't learn specific things until you throw a certain amount of money at the organization. But that aside...\n\nI had thought I covered the points you make about the bible when I mentioned the number of adaptations over the years and the Apocrypha (ie the books they decided not to use). \n\nYou're not wrong about a single part of it. Nor do I think you were defending scientology, for what it's worth. I just have a hard time wrapping my head around people going \"Oh yeah the guy that wrote that crazy story about zombie dogs or whatever? Yeah turns out he knows the truth of the universe. Totally not made up. First non-fiction he ever wrote and it's the deepest most important thing ever written. Oh, and he says we should pay him.\" In that context it just always boggles my mind that anyone would lend him any credibility. It's like the Boy Who Cried Wolf started a religion around it or something.", "the \"real\" story is that he created two pure beings and they gave to temptation (sex, the apple) and were punished by having their purity taken (explains human prudishness), that explains the need for a baptism to take away that initial sin.\n\n\nalso, he knew all along that Adam & Eve were to give to temptation... so what a shocker i guess", "The problem with agnosticism though is that many people assume that agnosticism implies an equal likelihood of both happenings. So if you say \"well we can never know if there is a god or not\" people assume that it's basically a coin flip, a 50:50 odds of whether or not God exists. \n\nBut most people who consider themselves agnostic would actually put the probability of a God near but not absolutely 0 (Dawkins himself said he does not put this number at 0), and thus these agnostics should probably be classified as atheists. Only those who put the probability near 50:50 should be considered agnostic.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrum_of_theistic_probability", "Great Googly Moogly, it is NOT any more ridiculous than \"mainstream religions\", LOL......\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI have no issue with Scientologists or anyone believing in a religion.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIt's the ferocity and rancor that Scientology takes to a whole nother level that I have a problem with.", "No, mainstream religious are every bit as fucking stupid and irrational. I mean, take Christianity- God allegedly has split personalities and sacrifices himself; Jesus is allegedly god, but scriptures prove he's ignorant, things don't go as he wished they would go, he gets angry, etc.... and why would god need to kill himself to save humanity? He's god, he doesn't need to do that dumb shit, he could just forgive magically... \n\nso much incoherence.", "You are arguing semantics, it is possible to be a gnostic atheist (knows there is no god) as well as an agnostic atheist (thinks there is no god) just like it is possible to be a gnostic theist (knows there is a god) and an agnostic theist (thinks there is a god).", "The grandson of L. Ron came out and even said it’s all bullshit con.", "> \"Oh yeah the guy that wrote that crazy story about zombie dogs or whatever? Yeah turns out he knows the truth of the universe.\"\n\ncompared to people who didn't know where the sun went at night and likely haven't been further than 50 miles away from where they were born at any point in their lifetime", "Alright, you just converted me to Christianity.", "It's only less ridiculous because we are culturally sensitized to Abrahamic religious ideas and iconography. \n\nSouthpark has done other episodes on other religions (look at their Mormonism episode) and it is within the same order of magnitude of ridiculousness, by any measure. \n\nEven here I can describe core ideas in Christianity in a similar way and it sounds just as ridiculous as Scientology, objectively so. \n\nHow else would you characterize a religion based on someone covering up their illegitimate pregnancy by claiming a child is the son of God, that can be resurrected from death, turn water into wine, walk on water, and cast demons out of people and put them into pigs?\n\nChristianity has the benefit of having thousands of years of apologists explaining away all the wierdness. That's all. \n\nObjectively speaking Christianity is in the same ballpark of craziness as Scientology. Sure, Scientology might be 2x or 5x more ridiculous, fine you can have that. But you can't say it's 10x more. Religion falls in the same ballpark of each other. Why? Because they are all based on each other lol even Scientology lol", "This guy Catholic church-es", "Lol. I actually was raised Catholic and broke off years ago due to differences in opinion about things like gay rights and abortion. I reserve judgement on the existence of anything spiritual and just figure if it does exist it can bop me on the head if it damn well wants my attention.\n\nThat said Scientology both impresses and horrifies me on how naked it is in its greed. The CC has an insane amount of wealth and has been terrible about it at times (like back when indulgences were a thing), and Christian mega-churches in the US are super greedy as well, but it's a rare church that says. \"OK, we'll teach you a small bit of our faith. Come back with a five-figure check made out if you want to know more\".\n\nAnd a rarer one that pulls it off consistently.", "One of the best SP episodes of all-time.", "Glad to have you aboard.\n\nNow just drink this cup of blood and eat this piece of human flesh and you're set. Also, do you have any children? I need to borrow them.", "No, not objectively so. If you hadn't heard of any religion you'd find them all to be just as unbelievable.", "You missed the part that Joseph Smith put a rock in a hat and put his face into it to “translate” this christian “fan fiction”. \n\n😂", "I sat through Sunday school through most of my childhood. None of it ever made any sense, but I just went along with it until around 8th grade, when I would just ditch service. I had better discussions about the nature of the world with other 8th graders than any of the church staff.\n\nI remember asking my pastor about this whole Adam and Eve deal after being told God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent, but we have free will. If God is all-knowing, why be angry at Adam and Eve for eating the apple? He knew it was coming and still left the tree there despite having the power to remove it. Why give them free will only to punish them for using it? If you can only use your \"free will\" the way God wants, it's not really free then is it?\n\nNever could get a straight answer from a pastor. It was usually some contradicting circular reasoning involving scripture and ended up with \"You just need faith.\" Logic is irrelevant to these people.", "Scientology is definitely more ridiculous than Judaism/Buddhism/Christianity/etc. It is a modern-day highly abusive cult, created by a sociopath, that routinely uses brainwashing techniques to prey on vulnerable individuals. \n\nIf you leave 99% of churches and speak against them, you're fine. You leave Scientology and speak out against it, there is a very high likelihood that your life will be utterly ruined.\n\nEquating scientology to mainstream religions is ridiculous and irresponsible.", "Idk why this is such a common take but just because a story contains fantastical elements doesn't make it \"stupid\".\n\nAbrahamic religions date back to a time when the concept of science didn't even exist. Scientology was made up by a sociopath in the 1950's.\n\nThere is a massive difference, much of it cultural.", "I am 100% sure that the upper echelons of scientology don't believe any of this. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nI am also sure that the knowledge that these stories are fictional is one of the things that gets revealed as a last step of their 'knowledge bridge' or whatever it's called.\n\nMore than simple misdirection, this strategy also helps make sure your enemies will underestimate you. \n\nThese outlandish beliefs gives them cover as a religion, and at the same time helps highlight the ridiculousness of other religions, which is one of their goals. \n\nBeyond the strategic benefit, undoubtedly it gives the leaders a satisfying sense of superiority - that they've 'fooled' the general public into believing they are rubes.\n\nThis is an organization believes that people in general are stupid, weak, and gullible, and having been fooled into being sheeple, they need to be lead to their utopia by benevolent overlords. They have a founding principal that deception is a fair and reasonable way to achieve these utopian ideals. \n\nThey are completely fine lying to their new recruits because a) people are already programed with nonsense, and only more nonsense will get them into where you can teach them better. b) these lies are temporary, because assuming they make their way up the knowledge ladder, they will learn the real truth, that these stories are cover to fool the public. \n\nThis hypothesis also explains hubbard's transition from a fiction writer, know for creating such fantasies, to a cult leader. Beyond a reasonable doubt he wrote all those details - wrote them out himself. It is very hard for me to believe this fiction writer one day woke up and earnestly believed these scribbles were facts. Perhaps he had some kind of brain injury, or other trauma, which is a possible explanation. But it's rather preposterous otherwise. \n\nFor me, Occam's razor says it's much more likely that he was just pretending to believe in these things, that initially, he decided to found a 'religion' for tax purposes or maybe even to exert some control over his fan base, get some free labor for his boat or whatever without getting hassled by the government. I find this is far more likely than him ever genuinely believing the fiction he himself put on paper. \n\nAnd he was probably surprised by just how successful it was. Maybe he really came to believe that he was helping people. What started for him as a lark, some tom-foolery, became something else. It started making money. People started living their lives with more purpose. And it escalated from there.", "I'd tend to believe that \"god\" could somehow be a complex function of the entire universe over some garbage that a hack wrote in the 50's with the sole purpose to become rich and powerful.", "Is better than the rest because at least it's entertaining. The rest were made up a long time ago and are all pretty damn boring", "Who hasn't done a bit of acid? Doesn't mean you get to start a new religion L'ron.", "I read earlier today it wasn't even an apple, the person who translated it into latin chose apple to make a pun", "Seeing “atheists believe” makes my head hurt", "Great article, she is very articulate and laid back about a genuinely horrific ordeal!", "This episode and the mormon one are top tier South Park. When I was younger, I had to actually research both because to me it was impossible this wasn't a joke.", "Seems like you missed the part of the episode where the leaders admit its bullshit, which invalidates your entire comment", "I align with Dawkins as you said, non-zero chance for a god but astronomically unlikely.\n\nBut I would still consider myself an agnostic atheist based solely on my belief for a god not being absolute zero. I don't think being a 50/50 coin flipper is required to be agnostic. Agnostic simply means \"without the knowledge\", or simply \"I don't know\".", "I understand that this is Reddit, but this would still be a reductivist take on the theology. That said, I'm definitely not in r/videos to debate theology in a thread about Scientology.", "The second part of your response I agree with, as I stated in my post.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBut, outside of maybe Buddhism (I don't know a lot about it), every other religion is or has been 1)Highly abusive to some other faction 2) Would need to have been created by a sociopath or narcissist hell bent on control 3)All use \"brainwashing techniques. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nAnd it is not irresponsible to point that out. To say it is is to play into the \"My side is right and all the others are wrong/evil\" narrative that can lead to my point #1", "What hurts your head about it? Believe doesn't mean 'have faith in'. Practically speaking atheists believe that whatever unprovable supernatural entities could theoretically be out there are irrelevant to human life.", "-tips fedora-", "I'm neither religious nor a theologian, but the story is a lot more complex than that. God is supposed to be a higher being, so he doesn't \"care\" that Adam and Eve ate the apple. Rather eating the apple represented mankind's ability to make decisions for themselves, which means that they have the capacity for evil. By contrast, animals may kill or steal from each other, but nobody really considers them \"evil\" because we don't consider them as capable of making real decisions.", "I'm not religious at all, I'll start by saying that.\n\n1) I agree that pretty much every religion has done some abusive stuff at some point. At the same time, religion has led to some pretty incredible human advancements that otherwise would not have happened. Remember, things like the concept of the university was created by religious institutions. Scientology is purely a cancer.\n\n2) I disagree that every religion was created by a sociopath or narcissist hell-bent on control. Most ancient religions simply did not spring into existence that way. For example, there wasn't some guy that woke up one day and decided to invent the concept of \"Christianity\" to make himself rich and control people. Hubbard did exactly that.\n\n3) Yeah that's probably true to some degree, but I'd ask you to look into some of the techniques Scientology employs on it's members on a regular basis and then ask yourself if it's even close to what goes on in 99% of mainstream churches in the US. The extent of indoctrination you'd find in most Catholic/Episcopalian/Methodist churches is pretty much teaching little kids prayers and bible stories. The techniques used by Scientology are down-right abusive and scarring.", "I feel like Adam and Eve totally had a choice between everlasting life and knowledge. Eve ate from the tree of knowledge and suddenly god was like “fuck, if they have immortality they’re just like us. Better lock em\nOut.”", "Fun Fact L Ron was also a follower of aleister Crowley and tried to summon the moon child him and his buddy looked like fucking nerds", "> god is a child rapist.\n\nBut did you see how she was dressed?", "No it doesn't. It means a \"lack of belief or strong disbelief in the existence of god or any gods\"\n\n[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/atheism)\n\nIt's an oxymoron to say atheists \"believe\" anything when it comes to creationism. \n\n\nWhat you're describing is agnosticism. Atheism is simply a lack of belief of any kind of creator.", "Yeah, sure. People today put their faith in mainstream religions despite not knowing whether or not those authors were also probably hacks out to become rich and powerful. \n\nBut in two thousand years, who’s gunna know the difference between the two?", "Yada yada yada, cannibalism will lead to your salvation.", ">But in two thousand years, who’s gunna know the difference between the two?\n\nHopefully historians. \n\nAlso, do you actually think the people who wrote what would become the Bible were out to become rich and powerful by doing so? Do you know what usually happened to Christians back when Judaism and poly-theistic religions were the norm? I am not religious in any way, but this demonstrates a deep misunderstanding of ancient historical religions.", "I find that a lot of people don't know how bat shit crazy moromons are too. Like aliens and spaceship stuff. They believe in multiverses and alien civilizations of Mormons, it's pretty wacky.", "^(hail xenu)", "Well, there’s almost no historical references to biblical figures today, so I’m honestly not sure if historical references from two thousand years from now will either. Who knows. \n\nAnd I’m not pretending to know the motivations of these people from two thousand years ago. And that’s my point. No one knows. And in two thousand years, no one will know again.", "It's an interesting way to subdivide atheism, I'd say. Dogs are atheists that literally have no beliefs related to God. Gnostic atheists (which most aren't) have a strong belief there is no god. Most other atheists (like me) believe that whatever could be out there is irrelevant. Belief can be substituted with \"thinks\". It's just semantics.", "Copy/pasted from an older comment of mine:\n\nThis is a trap that self-proclaimed Agnostics fall into. They see two opposing sides and conclude that god's existence is an equal possibility despite the fact that the only reason we're even talking about a god is because it's so engrained into societies. The [Middle Ground Fallacy](https://www.developgoodhabits.com/middle-ground/) is applicable here. Just because there's a conflict between two groups doesn't mean both or either of them have sound reasons for their position.\n\n What about any of the other infinite possibilities that could be true without a could-be-true-shaped hole in our understanding of the universe? (e.g: Flying Spaghetti Monster) Since (virtually) none these other possibilities have been talked about since before civilization like god has, no one entertains these possibilities despite there being just as much evidence for any of them as there is for god, which is none.\n\nNow let's take a step back. Talking about god at all is pretty pointless without defining what you mean by god. Is god conscious? Is there only one, or is/are god/gods even quantifiable? Is god the creator of the universe? The creator of man? Is there an afterlife? The fact people rarely make these differentiations and just use the colloquial definition of the Christian god shows that they're implicitly assuming that if there is something that could be considered a god, it must resemble the one of a major religion. They're inadvertently accepting religion's baseless assumptions about creation, the afterlife etc. And ignoring all other possibilities that no one talks about, because... no one talks about them! Being a topic of conversation doesn't make a possibility more likely, but agnosticism treats them like it does. That's putting the cart before the horse.\n\n Depending on how you answer those questions above, the laws of Physics could count as a god, and I agree that physics is very god-like so if that's the particular set of answers we're working with I have no problem \"believing\" in \"god\". But virtually no one would say that physics is god because God is associated with things like the afterlife, and a divine plan, and all the other assumptions that Agnostics just seem to take for granted when talking about god.\n\nHumans have always projected their qualities onto things to make them more relatable. This, and the lack of contrary evidence suggests that religion is just the anthropomorphization of nature.", "What?\n\nThe motivation of these people was simply that they actually believed Jesus was the Messiah. They literally faced an excruciatingly torturous death for spreading this idea. They were categorically not trying to become rich and powerful. You assert that no one knows, but that's not true. Tons of historians dedicate their entire lives to knowing these things.\n\nPeople weren't getting rich and powerful off Christianity for a long, long time after it was invented. Christians were too busy getting executed left and right for their beliefs at the beginning.", "I think the point Dawkins was trying to make is that to say that anything less than absolute conviction is agnosticism dilutes the meaning of agnosticism. Most religious people do not have absolute certainty (indeed faith is a big part of belief rather than certainty) in the same way that most atheists don't have absolute certainty either, but if a Christian was 99.9% sure there is a God they would not consider themselves agnostic about it, so agnostics should be more absolute with their language. \n\nIts a conundrum because on the one hand by acknowledging the spectrum we are admitting that most of us are not on either endcap, but on the other hand it can make those of us who are extremely confident there isn't a God (and call ourselves atheist) feel more isolated when agnostics who have the same level of belief don't consider themselves atheistic.", "Okay, so they weren’t hacks. Just crazy. \n\nGot ya.", "Lmao Jesus Christ, pick up a history book. Religious people weren’t crazy.\n\nGood to see you’re only here for that typical Reddit-esque zinger.", "You’re right. If someone I know today said they had a virgin birth, yeah, I’d call them crazy. \n\nThe people who believe her, I’d call stupid.", "Ironically you are actually stupid for believing that you are smarter than anyone who ever believed those things. And I say this as an atheist.", "Never said I was smarter. But believing in a virgin birth is stupid. Yes. \n\nAnd I say that as an atheist.", "Interesting bit of trivia: At the end credits of \"Trapped in the Closet\", all the names are changed to John Smith or Jane Smith so Tom Cruise and other Scientologists can't sue them: \n\n\n[https://www.reddit.com/r/southpark/comments/1ezofw/at\\_the\\_end\\_credits\\_of\\_trapped\\_in\\_the\\_closet\\_all/](https://www.reddit.com/r/southpark/comments/1ezofw/at_the_end_credits_of_trapped_in_the_closet_all/)", "Found the scientologist", "Doesn’t change the fact that you’d still be the idiot in the room for telling someone like, say, Tolkien that they are stupid for believing in the existence of the Virgin Mary.\n\nThe dumbest people are always the most arrogant.", "And he did all that because he needed to loophole his way out of a rule he set up earlier that he couldn't just cancel.\n\nBut he's supposed to be omnipotent....", "I’m surprised they didn’t make fun of the fact that you only learn about the real secrets of Scientology after many years in the church… and money.", "Yes, if someone like Tolkien believed in the Virgin Mary, then they were stupid in that particular belief. \n\nSmart in some things maybe, but definitely stupid in that.", "Lol Tolkien was a devout Christian. I love how far you’ve walked back on your original statement though.\n\n>The people who believe her, I’d call stupid.\n\n\n“Not when it comes to people I personally like though!”", "There's a lot to digest in this conversation that unfortunately the internet makes hard to have in a friendly and organic way (for me at least). One minor quibble: I would strongly contend that \"Makes fake things for a living\" folks aren't unique to our era and existed well into the BC/BCEs.\n\nI would also suggest that there appears to be far more literary and archaeological support for Judeo-Christian texts across the centuries than any other comparable body of work. One can certainly critique their accuracy, but I've always felt the Game of Telephone criticism to not be the best one laid against Biblical texts.", "If he was, then yes, he was stupid in that particular belief. \n\nMy original statement was always that both Scientology and Christianity are stupid. I have never strayed from that position.", "You said you’d call people who believe the Virgin Mary stupid. That’s not what you’re saying now.\n\nYou’re the definition of a neckbeard", "Yes. Stupid in that particular belief.", "“I’m sorry Mr. Tolkien but it is my opinion that you are stupid in your belief in religion”\n\nLmao shut up neckbeard", "Yes. Stupid in that particular belief. \n\nOh no, some random guy on the internet is resorting to calling me names. Whatever shall I do.", "I mean, you're right... But kinda not?", "Not too far off from what some UFO people like Tom Delonge believe, gotta harvest that sweet Loosh.", "I’m just saying you’re a loser for labeling all religious people as stupid.\n\nYou’re worse than so many of them.", "Oh no, some guy on the internet says I’m a loser, why bother even going on with life. Woe is me!", "You are a loser.", "How shall I ever go on! 😭", "> One minor quibble: I would strongly contend that \"Makes fake things for a living\" folks aren't unique to our era and existed well into the BC/BCEs.\n\nTrue, I was being a bit reductive about it. Fiction was crafted long before modern times. But I don't know of any other religion founded by someone who was a known creator of fiction and solely fiction.", "Lmao who says shit like this. What a loser", "‘When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the losers.'\n\n-Socrates.", "Lmao nothing said was slander and this isn’t a debate. You’re truly the stereotypical Reddit neckbeard", "‘Nothing said was slander’\n\n‘You’re truly the stereotypical Reddit neck beard’\n\n🧐", "How dumb actually are you? That statement is a fact and therefore not slander.", "By then they've invested so much time and money that they probably wont leave even after learning all that.", "You are certainly entitled to your opinion.", "The definition of slander isn’t my opinion dipshit", "But your opinion of me is an opinion. And you are entitled to that.", "That is true.", "👍🏻", "Thanks for reading my comment. \n\nIt seems like you missed the part where the creators of south park and I came to somewhat the same conclusion. \n\nWhich invalidates what exactly? They invalidated their own argument?", "Shh you’re ruining the oh so discreet advertising Reddit is flooded with", "> Because as stupid as Mormonism also is at the very least Joseph Smith came up with the golden plates that he read off of (but nobody was allowed to see) which an angel told him to find.\n\nActually, he didn't, it was more like what you said about L. Ron just writing down whatever came to mind. \n\nJoseph claimed to have the plates but he didn't actually use them at all in the \"translation\" process. He put his \"seer stone\" into a hat, then put his face in the hat, and claimed the words appeared on the seer stone. No plates involved.\n\nHe was basically just saying whatever came to mind (with his face in a hat) while a scribe wrote it all down. 🤷🏻‍♂️", "Everything Matt and Trey touch turns to gold. Its not out of the realm of possibility that this is legitimate if you aren't wearing a tinfoil hat. \n\nAlso, unless I am missing something season 24/25 does not have a premiere date yet so your entire comment is pointless.", "Why are you referencing reddit as a singular entity? Your entire comment is pointless. There are millions of people here...", "This barely reads as English man. Say what you want to say or learn to convey your thoughts better.", "I'm not sure that's entirely true, there's the Sea Org for example, if you sign up for that you're mostly definitely going into a much deeper level of cultiness. I don't know how light the cultiness gets but I'd imagine there's a fair amount of casuals who go along with the bare minimum.", "Fun Fact: Christmas is the Egyptian God Osiris' birthday.", "But they would sue South Park Studios, they know who made it lol changing the names doesn’t stop anything if they really wanted to sue them, seems more to be part of the joke and protecting some of the smaller workers from being harassed not sued.", "it's a lot of things, middle of summer/winter is a common time to have a festival.", "The best is when other religious people laugh at scientologists like they don't also believe equally goofy shit, that's a good lol moment.", "It’s not that weird. Its mostly, if not all, stolen stories from a multitude of cultures. The religion does itself a great service by using parables that stood the test of time and were proven to be relatively interesting to people\n\nScientology is written by a mediocre sci fi writer and it shows. It won’t have any staying power long term since El Ron Hubert put zero effort into giving it any qualities of a long standing religion\n\nIt’s not that the basic story is odd. It’s that there’s no substance. It’s designed entirely to dangle a carrot in front of your face ad nauseum to keep you paying.", "Are you saying Jesus didn't pull a shit load of bread and fish out of his ass to feed all of those people?!", "It boggles my mind how Scientology was able to con the government into tax exempt status. All religions are money hungry, but they are entirely different level. Religion kills critical thinking skills.", "It’s such a dumb take. At least a typical religion tells you to be a good person, even if they might have fucked up definitions of what that means\n\nScientology isn’t just a weird story. It’s a hollow sci story meant to extract money from believers. It doesn’t even really try to give more than that. It’s kind of shocking how such a lazily thrown together religion\n\nMormons have quite an interesting mythology as well, but that religion teaches you to be a nice person so they don’t tend to catch much heat for it", "Also at least most mainstream religions are highly flexible. Like, there’s plenty of shades of fundamentalism across all types of mainstream religion.\n\nScientology is hardcore through-and-through.", "Wait. If my face was in a hat, there would be no light for me to see a stone inside. \n\nWhat am I missing?", "As a Christian, we believe some crazy stuff too. It's just older. So I do my best not to judge.", "> Abrahamic religions date back to a time when the concept of science didn't even exist.\n\nWe’ve been genetically modifying crops since before the invention of writing. I’d argue our practice of science began with the invention of agriculture.", "there are two streams.\n\n most come in for their free personality test, which leads to auditing and expensive courses; you always need more of those. the pressure in intense to always spend more, and then start volunteering for them. the further you go the deeper you get, and every step you take makes you more reliant on the church. and that when you want to join sea org. there are no casuals here, your either in or out. Also all your auditing is recorded, so you better not have said anything embarrassing or incriminating when you were confessing everything wrong you've ever done.\n\n\nthen there is the opposite, the celebrity rout. you don't have to be famous, but if the church is a great way to network for actors there will be a new crop of famous Scientologists. they get to be only halfway into it, and there version is all lovebombing and smiles.", "Big difference is tithing. Christianity seeks a 10% pledge. Scientology wants to drain you dry and then put you in SeaOrg to be a thug and spy.\n\nScientology is an evil organization and Miscavige is a truly evil man. His wife is missing to this day. So paranoid he insists on saran wrap on his water glass so no one can poison him.", "The magic stone...", "It was a divine miracle, doesn’t have to make sense.", "Agnosticism / Gnosticism is about certainty.\n\nTheism and Atheism are about belief in a god.\n\nYou can be an agnostic theist (I believe there's a God but I'm not sure). You can be a gnostic atheist (I know there's not a god). You can be a gnostic theist (I know there's a god). And you can be an agnostic atheist (I don't believe there's a god but I'm not sure).\n\nTo somehow say that atheists don't have any belief is incredibly tonedeaf, bordering on propoganda. Belief is merely confidence in a statement without proof. You cannot prove nor disprove the existence of the gods in question; it's ALL belief.", "Well that’s really besides the spirit of my point but it’s an interesting topic for another discussion. Is breeding your two biggest cows for bigger babies really science though? I guess kinda. But I still don’t think that really makes for an understanding of science as a concept.", "They went a bit further in depth about the issue. No invalidation to be found", "Your marklars are wise, young marklar.", "I mean... if we're talking about a magic stone that gives you messages from God, we can assume the words are glowing or something.", "What they're talking about is the [Fermi Paradox](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox). It's been discussed at length for decades.", "> And I’m not pretending to know the motivations of these people from two thousand years ago\n\nControl over a countries population was the motivation. Religion was a fantastic tool to kickstart the implementation of tax and forced conscription. Only later did it backfire on the ruling classes resulting in weaker, fragmented countries.\n\nI was always a fan of cultural based control over religious ones. Gets the job done without hurting the masses too much. You still see it taken to extremes, good example being WW2 Japan, but the fact that even Japan is still a strong country with more or less their same system of control, should speak volumes for how successful it can be. \n\nA lot of people will attribute Japan’s post-WW2 success to US occupation, but I think it was a mix of many factors...a big one being Japan’s proud population.", "Yes, it was a clear joke that was the “cherry on top” for the episode.", "Eh. The difference (besides the scriptures about Jesus being written close to the time that the things allegedly happened vs thousands/ millions of years after) is that the Bible and Christianity start with a premise that concedes its diety exists outside of nature, space, and time and thus isn't bound by those rules. Scientology claims that a lot of the things exist within the natural universe and bound by it's rules -- which they clearly don't. Also the first writings of Scientology aren't from the same millennium that these things allegedly happened.", "Don't forget the symbolic cannibalism!", "Animal husbandry is 100% a science.", "Wasn’t she also a whore? Which one is it? Or both? Gross", "Hats tend to have a top-of-the-head shaped fit, not a front-of-the-head shape fit, so without a tight seal I would imagine some light could get in.\n\nAnd even besides that, a magical \"seer stone\" is already so ridiculous that it's not as if it would be any more ridiculous if the writing was lit up by the magical stone.", "I didn’t say they had no belief, I said they had no belief when it comes to creationism. Words and ideas are constantly changing and people like to make new concepts and ideas to give nuance to situations I get that (The quadrant system you’re referring to. This is a more recent proposal. Before, you were either agnostic or atheist). I’m referring simply to what the definition of atheism is as it stands and what that is is the dictionary definition (lack of belief or strong disbelief of a god or gods). Which I posted above.\n\n>\tTo somehow say that atheists don't have any belief is incredibly tonedeaf, bordering on propoganda. \n\nIf you feel an entry in the Merriam-Webster definition is tonedeaf/propaganda then I’m not sure what to tell you? \n\n>\tit’s ALL belief \n\nOr disbelief.", "Haha that was great. Sounds absolutely ridiculously insane when you break the story down. And it is a story… because none of that ever happened. Just like Scientology and every other religion.", "Genesis P. Orridge did", "…I am not arguing that. Taking a shit is science, that doesn’t make me a scientist.", "Hey! He gave up a whole Friday and Saturday to make it look good.", "One of my favorite all time episodes", "South Park also took on Mormons like no-one else can: [dum-dum-dum-dum-dummm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4NemVO4JL0)\n\nI'm holding out for a Jehovah's Witnesses story-arc someday.", "Yeah, Christians literally retconned their own religious texts multiple times for explicitly political purposes.\n\nFor the first 1000 years and to a lesser extent up until the end of the reformation they were picking and choosing which books they wanted to include, editing them liberally, translating them in ways favourable to their chose patron/state/faction.\n\n\nWhen half of what you believe is \"whichever narrative 'spirited amateur' Constantine thought would make him most popular, it kind of undermines the whole word of God shit", "what's the need for freezing them and throwing them in a volcano\n\ncan't you just kill them in a small room with a room-sized soul catcher on the ceiling instead\n\nthis is highly impractical", "> by using parables\n\nah yes, the great thing about religion is reinterpretation to agree with science after it pushes back against it until it is impossible to deny.", "Zombie Jesus approved!", "The mental acrobatics people have to go through to believe this stuff is just mind bending. I feel so bad for people that were indoctrinated to any degree. It's just sad, really.", "I see what you mean, fellow atheist 😊\n\nYou've given me a little to think about and chew on here.", "No worries mate, it's up to everyone to decide how to refer to themselves. And of course a one word label is no match for nuanced topic. But I think that many people who are secretly or questioning atheists would be encouraged to know that there are many more people just like them, so I try to encourage people who feel the same way as myself to represent themselves as atheist. Hopefully we can breakdown some of the stigma.", "How come I can comment and upvote that post even though it's 8 years old? Usually Reddit archives after 6 months", "> Idk why this is such a common take but just because a story contains fantastical elements doesn't make it \"stupid\".\n\nYeah, it does, by today's standards.\n\nAnd you can implore me to judge it by the standards of the time it was written in, like you're trying to, but if people still believe this shit today then I'll judge it by modern standards.\n\nIt's stupid.", "It's because the easiest explanation is that their god is kinda just an asshole sometimes. He claims he's loving but is extremely petty and wrathful at times.", "This you?\n\n>If only people would stay in their lane and get this shit right rather than worrying about stupid shit like criminal collusion or manifold indictments. I can't believe the dumb stuff people care about, take a lesson from South Park you fucking sheep!\n\n-unmondeparfait", "#REDDIT HAS SPOKEN", "It's because by the time you learn that shit you have some power over the other people. Not actually all that hard to understand, really", "# HI KARIN!!!!!", "You're absolutely right and the funny thing is Mormons laugh at this video from South Park and what Scientologists believe in, then turn around and go back to being Mormon.", "You just Ctrl+F'ed my profile and ignored the context, didn't you? I remember that comment. The point of it, too, is that South Park is for nu-internet edgebros who like bitcoin and fake rubber pussies, lads who also tend to have a really strong right-wing bent and aren't strong critical thinkers. \n\nYou might be surprised to find that in reality, I'm totally concerned with criminal collusion and manifold indictments (like some kind of feminist beta orbiter soy-boy, am I right?) -- even though I said I wasn't in that comment. Weird! Hey google, what is sarcasm?", "They stopped doing that, but subreddits can set their own preference", "One of my favorite things in all of video games is that Bayonetta fights angels that are not only more or less accurately portrayed as angels from the Bible but that they also speak Enochian in the game. \n\nBible angels are creepy AF. Why do you think they are always saying some shit like “be not afraid”. Fuck you, you 30 eyed ball of baby heads I’m scared as fuck of you.", "You posted it for free?", "I don't follow", "okay.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvFaTytedkU", "This is the first South Park episode I ever saw.", "This reminds me of the X-Files episode Jose Chung from Outer Space. An L.R.H looking type of guy writes a science fiction story and then goes to L.A. and turns it into a religion.", "Their response: \"but you can't take it literally.\"", "Scientology deliberately abuses and traumatizes people via hypnosis and other psychologically harmful methods. It is far from run-of-the-mill occult mumbo-jumbo. Making light fun of it as 'just a zany religion' or 'just a money scam' won't cut it. People need help.", "Lmao what context??? The only post in a subreddit YOU MADE?\n\n What the fuck are \"manifold indictments\" ?\n\nThis is just a jumble of buzz-words.", "for me personally, I'd like to see their take on contemporary right wing extremism / terrorism. the closest we've got to a maga analogue were \"the Whites\", who were mainly presented as delusional idiots.", "Every religion text was made up though, what's you point?", "There is a trick that I can do. I riff. It's just a trick.\n\nExample: below literally written right now without frame of reference.\n\nYou remember Carol right? She was the one with red hair. She used to have black hair but then she ended up with lymphatic cancer so she needed chemo. After chemo, her hair grew back thicker than ever but in bright red. That's weird because her family is Asian. However, her mother was not known to be totally faithful and it's possible that she tarried with a person that wasn't her husband. His name was Steve and he drove a blue car. To my memory, it was a Crown Vic but it could have been an Impala to be fair. He had an eye patch because he lost his eye in the war. Not Vietnam. He actually lost it in Panama when he was training to be an agent working undercover in jungle combat. He died on the island of Luzon in a covert mission where he was training muskrats to infiltrate the Pentagon to disrupt Jimmy Carter's evil scheme to sell the children of rich people as a substitute for ham to poor people that didn't like eating turkey at Thanksgiving.\n\nBoom. Scientology. Done and done.\n\nAlso, some aliens were involved.", "You might know if you paid attention. Manifold is at best a middle school word, which I used correctly. Come at me, Timmy. \n\nI will say though, you might have a future in television. Reading something out of context, drawing a bunch of completely fictional conclusions, and coming up with reasons to hate someone you don't know for it? This is all very Trey and Matt of you. #RationalBoyz", ">“Whew at least we don’t sound as crazy as Scientologists”\n\nGoes on to speak in tongues", "I can't picture that happening, I mean they got the child abuse scandals like the Catholics, they preach like the Mormons, except to the extreme, and they are basically christians with their own translation of the old testament (aka the new testament), and they accept Jesus Christ as their savior. There ain't much to milk from it. But knowing south park they'll be creative with it.", "My dog believes in a god and I am that God.", "> Let's pretend you've never heard of the big 3 for a moment.\n\nI dont see what Androids, Aliens and Wizards have to do with this.", "The whore Mary is a different Mary.", "You gotta admit. That story is still hilarious.", "I’m a Christian but I don’t believe that some guy stuffed 2 of every animal on a big boat. Maybe Scientologists don’t necessarily believe all this stuff? Not trying to defend scientology. Just sayin…", "Or maybe you should examine why you believe in a fairy tale as well.", "Can we all agree that this is not more or less crazy than Christianity?", "A little bit of acid never hurt a fly", "Hahahahahahahahahaha", ">Doesn't mean you get to start a new religion\n\n[I'm Sorry, I Thought This Was America!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2zlPNGuPbw)", "Reddit is having fun letting mods rewrite history.", "But maybe skip the Muslim one. Their kinda picky about how you discuss their religion, but not so much in the take you to court kinda way...", "Dont the Japanese have a term for people like this who become lost in fantasy?", "This would be more the beginning of winter, not the middle.\n\nSolstice is the 22nd of December.", "A fun fact I came across this evening, is the forbidden fruit wasnt an apple. The guy who translated it from hebrew liked puns, and the word for apple was a very similar word for evil malus with a long a sound, vs malus with a short a sound.\n\nThe original word was pilas or something similar that simply meant \"hanging fruit\"\n\nWhich could have easily been poetic or suggestive, and not actually specific.", "You start to get a better idea how this happened when taking tests in high school.\n\nTruly amazing how many people truly struggle with language comprehension in a single paragraph. Makes manipulating them sadly simple, but as they may learn over time, they are taught to have faith, and do not question.\n\nGod gave me the skill to question and discover. So i'm taking that as tacit approval to use what I was born with and question everything, including god.", "not any crazier than any other religion", "Freezing them is to imobilize them (for some reason in hubbards mind freezing an organism doesn't kill them) . The volcano is probably for dramatic effect and a reason to why they ended up on earth (he could have sent them in to the sun) \n\nScience in scientology stands for sciencefiction and not real science. \n\nIt's hypocritical to judge their beliefs if you are a believer in any religion yourself because all religions are just different levels of wackiness. If you the reader of this post think I'm full of shit then I urge you to actually read the book or books related to your religion", "Have no idea why you were downvoted.", "I guess a fun fact for those who don't know is that a good number of scientologists themselves don't know about the Xenu story until they're well into the \"bridge to total freedom\" at \"operating thetan 3.\" Until then, they are highly discouraged to go online and look up any criticisms to scientology while continuing to pay those fees and racking up their sunk costs. Usually by the time they actually learn about the xenu story, they've already been way too invested.", "BuT sHe WaS a ViRgIN, tHe BoOk SaYs So", "Which is just as fucking stupid.", "> the Bible and Christianity start with a premise that concedes its diety exists outside of nature, space, and time and thus isn't bound by those rules.\n\nWhich is fucking stupid.", "Maybe you should fucking try some judging? Reflect on your beliefs, judge them to be fucking stupid, and then you can start living in reality.", "Why?", "Yeah but if this religion wasn’t here they’d believe something else. Certain types of people can’t think for themselves. Especially when it comes to mortality.", "I mean, even his self-acknowledged fiction, battlefield/mission earth, is even kind of \"out there\" for science fiction standards.", "Crowley was intelligent though. He was a piece of shit who engaged in his “Magick” as a way of getting what he wanted. He never actually believed any of his own horseshit, he just did/said it all to get sex, money, and dedicated servants. He was a charlatan and a con man. In his younger years, he was a very experienced alpine climber.\n\nHe ran with Jack Parsons as well, another brilliant but nutty person. Parsons actually believed in that crap though, unlike Crowley.\n\nParsons also hung out with Hubbard while Crowley went gallivanting around the world. Crazy to think that one of the JPL founders and most influential rocket scientists of all time hung out with Crowley and Hubbard.", "I believe it was parsons and Hubbard who tried to do the moon child ritual and Crowley was like these two are fucking idiots. Then after they tried the ritual Hubbard ran off with parsons gf on a boat. Last podcast on the left did a whole series on Hubbard highly recommend it", "Sick contribution bro.", "God is a bit of an arsehole", "Speaking in tongues in the Bible wasn’t like how a majority of modern people think of it. I grew up in a church where they taught that the “shalalala” bs was “speaking in a heavenly language that the devil can’t understand and therefore can’t interfere with those prayers”. I think the text in the Bible is pretty clear that that is not how it works or even what speaking in tongues is for. I’m constantly amazed that people believe this obvious lie and that churches continue to teach it.", "You don’t know what the word objectively means", "shhhhh don’t say that, the reddit hive mind can’t handle the truth", "have you heard of Islam? if you want ferocity and rancor….", "Awesome. This right up there when the Simpsons eviscerated liberal college students.", "Speaking of podcasts and a satanist (although Crowley wasn't one, but people described him as such), [here's a great podcast on Anton LeVay](http://citationpod.com/episode/anton-levay)", ">Freezing them is to imobilize them (for some reason in hubbards mind freezing an organism doesn't kill them)\n\nClearly Mr. Smarty Pants over here has never seen one of the most well known HISTORICAL DOCUMENTARIES that came out over 40 years ago by the name of THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK.\n\nWhat is even happening to this generation?\n\nNow give me all your money so I can audit all the ways this makes you feel being so ignorant.", "I think if you presented a lot of religions this way, they would seem somewhat ridiculous.", "After they proceed to take it literally.", "You said something very interesting to me.\n\n>God gave me the skill to question and discover. So i'm taking that as tacit approval to use what I was born with and question everything, including god.\n\nHow do you know god gave you a skill? Or a better question. How do you know god did anything at all?", "Because my view on god goes much further than an old man on a cloud, ruling over everyone as a great king.\n\nTo me God, is the lifeforce and energetical essence behind all things. You cant reference anything in this universe, without involving part of god, as all parts of reality are part of the whole.\n\nHumans are no different, and simply a more dynamic example of God's infinite possibility.", "When I was writing the comment I actually thought about that but I thought was that freezing in terms of only applying cold or was it something more or else? My atarwars knowledge is ok but I'm no expert", "Nope. The comment is built on correcting the episode by saying the leadership is lying. That's the whole point of it, which is invalidated by the show having made the point", "What part of their comment do you draw that conclusion from?", "There's a reason. An alien reason", "Nice try\n\nThe fact that the show already made that point makes your comment redundant, and undermines you point of you correcting the show and claiming it plays into the hand of the scientologists. \n\nAt best you just copied what the show said and claimed the thought as your own. \n\nAt worst you didn't bother checking and just decided to correct them. And In response to getting called out for it, you played some weird game of \"invalidate what point? Their point? Lolololo\".\n\nMiss me with that bullsht", "\"I am 100% sure that the upper echelons of scientology don't believe any of this.\"\n\n\"Beyond the strategic benefit, undoubtedly it gives the leaders a satisfying sense of superiority - that they've 'fooled' the general public into believing they are rubes\"\n\nExcept the show wasn't fooled, and made the same point the commentor tried to make to correct them", "When he says the \"general public\" he means normal people. He's not talking about the writers of South Park.", "But Hubbard insisted that he was not, in fact, a creator of solely fiction. You're engaged in a tautology. It might be one directed towards a noble end, but it's a tautology nevertheless.\n\nYou can't rely on the assertion that Hubbard only* created fiction to attack his credibility when the very question being asked is \"well, did he only create fiction, or did he also do something else?\"\n\nHubbard's defenders, meanwhile, could point out that he was very responsible about clearly labeling his fiction as fiction, and his non-fiction as non-fiction. Some huckster would probably try to fling everything at the wall, stay coy, and see if anything stuck, right? Why put all your eggs in the Xenu basket if a bunch of people seemed to be much more receptive to the idea that (random bullshit incoming) The Palagania Cycle was actually true?", "The writers and their audience are part of the general public buddy", "When OP is speaking of the upper echelons of Scientology fooling the general public, they mean in general. Yes, the creators of South Park aren't fooled, but I'm sure OP and Matt and Trey aren't the only ones. He means that the majority of people aware of the ridiculous story probably don't realise the higher ups know its bullshit", "Happy 9th cake day!", "> It's hypocritical to judge their beliefs if you are a believer in any religion yourself because all religions are just different levels of wackiness. If you the reader of this post think I'm full of shit then I urge you to actually read the book or books related to your religion\n\nyou must be new here", "Hubbard definitely wasn't describing the same kind of freezing that Han Solo got. According to doctrine the souls were frozen in...alcohol. \n\nSo yeah puuuuuure bullshit that man peddled.", "Well maybe a BIT crazier; but we're splitting hairs aren't we?", "It sure is.", "Whoa there, I surrender. 🏳️ Im just some random guy on the internet. I promise I'm not here to hurt you or change your beliefs. You doing ok?", "Behind the Scenes: my sister worked for the law firm that handled standards and practices issues for Comedy Central back when this episode first came out. The two main shows that the law firm grappled with were The Daily Show and South Park, since both shows often said things that could expose Comedy Central to litigation.\n\nWhen the South Park team sent the script for this episode to the firm for review, the lawyers took the text \"THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE\" as an internal note for the legal team, not text that would appear in the actual episode onscreen.\n\nNeedless to say, bricks were shat when the Church of Scientology did what they usually do and went full-court press against Comedy Central.", "Xenu throwing some serious Dr. Evil vibes.\n\n\"I'm going to place them in an easily escapable situation involving an overly elaborate and exotic death.\"", "Are you insane? Seriously, chill out. \n\nYou could argue my comment is redundant, based on that being the point they made later in the episode. That would be a fair criticism. I wouldn't object to that, but seems unnecessarily aggressive, but you do you.\n\nBUT you said my argument was \"invalid\". Since my argument is the same as theirs, that would be saying their argument is invalid. I don't think you meant that, did you? Perhaps we could clear this up if you said, \"sorry I didn't mean invalid, I meant redundant.\" Doesn't quite explain your rudeness, but at least your comment would make sense. Nor do you seem like big enough of a person to admit such a mistake? But I don't know surprise me. \n\nI was not correcting the show. I can't at all understand how you arrived at the conclusion I was taking issue with the show - I didn't make any kind of comment or reference to the show at all. Read my comment again, and please point out anywhere I was being critical of the show.\n\nYou can't pretend that you don't know there are people who haven't seen the show. So are you saying that it's impossible anybody could arrive at that this conclusion unless they saw the show? \n\nAny reasonable person would agree the best case scenario is that I arrived at the same conclusion without having seen the show, and then posted about it with checking to see if the show later came to the same conclusion. What an asshole I guess. \n\nI did not claim that I \"own\" this thought, not did I claim my perspective was unique. Nor did I even claim it was original, for that matter.\n\nYou made a lot of bad inferences, and then got super mad about them. That's a very silly thing to do - most of what you reacted to was just in your own head.", "Conformation bias", "that just means do it harder", ">THE SOULS WERE TAKEN TO A HUGE SOUL BRAIN WASHING FACILITY\n\nIt's like my kid telling a story after chugging mountain dew.", "I know you jest, but I don't think they actually believe all this. It's just an excuse to have a background history. Scientology is just a widely successful lobby and fraternal group for influential people, not much different than the freemasonry.", "We should thank Trey and Matt for making this so that very few people of this generation actually take Scientology seriously.", "They had sex an altar to conceive the anti christ with a guy who worked for NASA named Jack parsons.", "Yeah, just replace the supernatural beings (God, angels, etc.) with aliens and all of a sudden those Bible/Torah/Quran stories don't sound so reasonable.", "one of my top favorite south park episods", "Dipshit take", "The only loser here is you making a new account for this post lol", "Nah I'm pretty sure the losers are the neckbeard I was talking to and, you, the twat who got so triggered he took to stalking my comments lmao", ">Are you insane? Seriously, chill out. \n\n>You made a lot of bad inferences, and then got super mad about them. \n\nIronic lol. \n\nFact of the matter is, you responded to a South park clip and tried to be more clever then it, only to find out the show was already ahead of you. And now you can't seem to let it go. \n\nLet it go buddy. You'll feel better\n\nBtw, Why do you guys always jump on the \"you mad aren't ya\" stuff. Projecting much?", "Eh, I've studied a lot of human history and with that a lot of religions and how they formed and progressed over time. Scientology is no crazier than the Christian origin stories or how zombie Jesus came back from the dead but then left again.", "I'm not trying to be clever - the subject is interesting and worth discussing, that's all. \n\nClearly by your reaction, you're passionate about the subject, and that's good. I think we agreed its important, and should be discussed? Why not put you energy into advancing that topic, rather than jumping down my throat with \"south park already did it stfu noob.\"\n\nI don't feel bad for not knowing South Park covered that. The things I don't know are endless.\n\nI don't feel bad for wanting to discuss it. I'll always want to talk about things.\n\nIts a great shame we are in a place and time where people think that's the best way to engage with fellow humans.", "Aren't the Hawaii volcanoes quite new?", "Yes. The islands at the point xemu would've visited earth would still be submerged slits in the earth under the water spewing hot sulfur and lava. Eventually building an island. It's been a while since the 7th grade so I'm like 80% sure I'm correct.", "They've invested too much money and time. Every lesson they have to pay money for.", "I'm curious then how you know god is anything of what you said? Like how do you know it?", "It's a question we must all find an answer to on our own.\n\nHow do I know? Faith?\n\nNo.\n\nI know nothing, other than that I know, I truly know nothing.\n\nThis loop of thinking has most come to the perspective of oneself, and the act of perceiving.\n\nThis effort in itself is somewhat beyond what we ee most creatures do, and through perception and logic, can somewhat conclude a pattern of hierarchy in life, as well as refined matter.\n\nThe part humans play in all this may seem minute, and may be less than other beings we may run across in the vastness of the cosmos, but we can still perceive our place, and learn too grow.\n\nThe next step from perceiving ones place in all things, is seeing how all things reflect one another, and while they seem separate, are all part of a whole as you step back by exponential amounts and can see things such as the human race as a singe organism. This can continue to until you include all things ever perceived by human kind, and perhaps some only theorized about, but you feel o be true.\n\nThis is what I perceive to be god, as it includes all perceptions possible, which to me show a whole organism.\n\nFinding your own truth starts with being honest with yourself, even when it's painful. Once you've become used to and comfortable with this pattern, you can ask yourself questions that you dont think you have an answer to, but you can use your heart to fathom what feels truer than not.\n\nWhich gets us to our own fallibility. Just because you learn something, or believe something, should not preclude you from rethinking later and coming to a different conclusion. Especially when presented with new information.\n\nI may have worded this all a bit better, but it's a conversation near impossible to have without a better understanding of the other person and how they see the world and interact with it. As we all perceive things differently, we also all believe in them differently.", "There's a whole lot of woo in there I can't get behind. There is either truth or not truth, no such thing as a personal truth. What I mean is you either want to believe true things or you just don't care to for whatever reason.\n\nI'm in the \"wanting to believe true things\" camp, simply put. I also know very little, almost nothing I suppose, but I certainly don't see a god in anything. I see random happenstance in a vast and ever expanding universe we will never fully explore, but that doesn't imply a god at all. It just implies we don't, and likely never will, know why we are here with any certainty and will be left to wonder and imagine beyond whatever horizon science can bring us toward.", "Yes, there is much personally specific truth in spirituality. Just as there's specific personal truth in the shape of a crystal, yet this only shapes how the light shines through, it doesnt define that light.\n\nThis is why I said earlier these are truths you have to find for yourself, and ended by saying I didnt word things very well. I simply took your question and did my best to answer it in my own way, and with as broad of an approach as possible.\n\nI'm not here to prove anything to you, and yes the more things become subjective, the more \"woo\" there is. But that's the fault of lack of perception and understanding of where the person is coming from.\n\nI'm not a \"believer,\" i'm a thinking, questioning, fallible being.\n\nIt is the path and search that is important, not so much any specific answer. As any specific answer is only really useful to a specific person and about a specific moment.\n\nI avidly argue against being a \"believer\" and instead focus on expanding your perception and attempt to comprehend things from as many perspectives as you can manage. Coming to a person with love and understanding lead you to more truths than if you step into things with preconceived notions and self assured righteousness. \n\nI can only show you the path, and seeing happenstance is a good step, but the better one is when you start to see the systems these supposed happenstances happen within, interact with eachother. There truly is no happenstance, and everything is reflective and part of eachother. \n\nSynchronicity is a weird thing and may be a clue to seeing god. Science discusses many odd synchronicities that allow us to even live on this planet. So much so, that one commonly held theory is we live in a simulation and \"god\" of this universe is whoever or whatever created it.\n\nWhile to me God, is the organism that is this universe, and we are simply some of god's internal cells, trying to comprehend the whole.\n\nTo many others god is a dude on a cloud with a thunderbolt to strike down the sinners.\n\nCurrently science's god, are potentially some greater being or intelligence, that created this weird simulation that we're in...\n\nAnywho I'm meandering... I too hold onto the doubt that any of what I feel to be true, actually is, and always keep a baseline of \"what if it is all just happenstance and chance?\" \n\nThink with your head, but listen with your heart.", "I feel like unfortunately Muslim outrage won and beat free speach so far, look how Muhammed the child rapist was depicted in later episodes.", "Ah screw it.\n\nYou convinced me that you weren't being pithy (but still a possibility). \n\nI still think you were playing dumb with my responses tho.", "As one commentator comically put it, \"You know Xenu was a space dude because his name started with X.\"" ]	313	videos	What Scientology actually believes - South Park
https://www.twitch.tv/onlymxc?fbclid=IwAR2uBUcY_6QOuVd8pgOOFnoOkISDFwZ13h1Ya7qUdApwDERLnZROHVVtw6c	/r/videos/comments/qg9cbm/most_extreme_elimination_challenge_marathon_is/	[ "Right you are, Ken.", "Let's go!", "shoutfactorytv legally streams MxC on Mondays on Twitch. No need to use this account that'll get shut down in a few weeks.", "This channel's been running for years.", "I've been watching these 'fan' channels drop like flies in the past month.", "Used to watch this all the time as a kid", "Well..... I thought my days of watching takeshi's castle were over. Like, the Craig Charles voice over was bad, this just sinks the show further. What's with the random dubs over the contestants?", "GET IT ON!", "Saw that MXC was on Amazon Prime and watched a few episodes this summer. The slapstick still holds up, but some of the edgy humor has not aged well. When I was younger, most of this stuff went over my head, but hearing it now raises a little yikes at times.", "By a show of hands, how many of you feel that overdubbing a foreign TV show with humorous unrelated voice-overs is a violation of aesthetic and moral standards? Well, you're wrong! LET'S GO!", "Oh hi dream copycat\n\nSo sick of almost all gaming videos screaming this stupid ass overused phrase...be somewhat original", "It's from the show. The Captain says it before everyone starts running down the hill.", "Ken is a fountain of wisdom.", "It's a line from the show.", "Don't! Get! Eliminated!", "Huh, never watched the American take on this before... Doesn't quite have the same charm as the Craig Charles narrated Takeshi's Castle.", "Yep they've been running for a long time I found them about 6 or 7 months ago. I think they get past by only showing a certain season at a time or something. When I was watching it was season 5 on loop", "Let's go down to Guy who's talking to Babaganoosh.", "\"And now we have Jerry, who puts ribbed condiments in Happy Meals for your pleasure\"\n\nSo many amazing one liners at such a fast pace.", "Babaganoush!", "Twitch is shit.", "I was going to be livid if this wasn't the top comment.", "There’s also a Big Bang Theory marathon running on Twitch that’s probably more up your alley.", "if i actually wanted to watch takeshi's castle I'd be annoyed if all i could find was the version with the mxc dub. but luckily that's not the case" ]	26	videos	Most Extreme Elimination Challenge marathon is running on Twitch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS_WUGLvMMI	/r/videos/comments/qg9f37/100_lockpickinglawyer_videos_combined_into_one/	[ "So they stole someone else's content.", "Not more or less than any other reaction video.", "Yeah thats stupid, you cant actually watch any singular video. The editing for this is dope, its cool seeing how he begins and ends the videos so consistently. Really neat", "It's actually pretty cool that he's got a good format and sticks with it.", "Sure but will it blend, that is the question.", "> So they stole someone else's content.\n\nNow I've stolen yours!", "Good response 😆" ]	7	videos	100 LockPickingLawyer videos combined into one
https://youtu.be/rhtVszSdoXA	/r/videos/comments/qga6o2/dave_chappelle_am_i_cancelled/	[ "The vast majority of people reacting to things react to news of the thing and, more specifically, headlines. \n\nPeople \"cancelling\" Dave Chappelle aren't fans to begin with. He didn't lose any fans. He's been saying controversial shit his entire career.", "Old man yells at clouds", "👑 moment", "Controversial yet hilarious.", "Yep, the only difference is that before it was all race related so as an African American man he couldn't be seen as punching down. Which is what is against the outrage crowd comedy rules now.", "I was absolutely his fan and have cooled for sure. I don't mind edgy offensive jokes when they're funny but it just wasn't funny to watch and old rich dude bitch about how much h more of a victim he is than someone else. Make jokes that are actually funny and people won't care but we don't need a Dave Chappell Ted talk.", "Is there like a point or a joke in there? Let's look at the first few seconds:\n\n\"I said what I said, and I heard what you said!\" shakes head\n\nUh dude, you are the millionaire with a Netflix special. Nobody has a bigger microphone than you do, and you got paid to shout through it. Were you canceled or not? It looks like you are still speaking to a supporting crowd.\n\n>They said they wanted a safe working environment, and now it seems like I'm the only one who isn't allowed there.\n\nUh, this seems self-explanatory Dave.\n\n>This is about corporate interests telling me what I can and cannot say.\n\nAnd yet you continue to get a million times more attention and platform than trans people.\n\n>The best comedians on life...blah blah blah\n\nShut the fuck up dude. You called yourself the GOAT. You are such a cringey old rich man.\n\n>I was willing to give you an audience, but you will not summon me!\n\nOOOOH big hero guy styling himself as a king.\n\nFuck you Dave, I'm not watching the rest. I look forward to hearing you cry more about how people don't want to associate with you. Fucking \"buy my shit\" or \"you cannot have this conversation\"...eat shit, I ain't buyin nothing.", "Fuck it I’ll say it. Most moderate progressives agree with Dave here. Not because they are transphobic but because they actually bothered to listen to what he was saying. \n\n“Why was it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his Gender than for Cassius Clay to change his name.”\n\nDave raise the point (whether it’s right or not) that this looks like white privilege. \n\nRegardless of the truth this is an interesting point given civil rights movement was 50 years ago and gay marriage has only been legal for 6 years. \n\nStreisand effect in full force. The more people rail against it the more attention he will get. That’s not his doing that’s yours! Dave had always been controversial, at least he’s being consistent.", "Was gonna say, I was absolutely a fan. The problem is, if you know Dave Chappelle, then you know he's too smart to be this stupid. \n\nMost comedians are openly derisive of \"clapter,\" (when the audience applauds but doesn't laugh, because they agree, but the joke wasn't funny).\n\nDave is just rolling in it now. It's not like he doesn't know what this is.", "> He didn't lose any fans. He's been saying controversial shit his entire career.\n\nHuge ex fan here. Seen him live 3x (I live close to DC). You are right that he HAS been making controversial jokes forever. The difference is that they used to be funny. He wasn't punching down on people before and getting a whole crybaby victim attitude about people not liking it.\n\nLike go ahead dude. Make your trans jokes about people. But people don't like unfunny comedians and you aren't fucking funny anymore, rich jerkoff. His whole \"Well I'm fucking black so I'm a minority and immune to criticism\" shtick has worn quite thin.", "> “Why was it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his Gender than for Cassius Clay to change his name.”\n> \n> \n> \n> Dave raise the point (whether it’s right or not) that this looks like white privilege. \n\nWrong. Not all trans people are white. \n\n>Regardless of the truth this is an interesting point given civil rights movement was 50 years ago and gay marriage has only been legal for 6 years. \n\nWhy the fuck do I care about listening to a black millionaire who never held a real job his entire adult life (and walked out on the one he did have for millions of dollars a year) tell me about civil rights? Lick my asshole, rich fuck.\n\n>The more people rail against it the more attention he will get.\n\nGuess you missed where he's crying to anyone who will listen about how his movie isn't gonna get screened at any film festivals because everyone with influence thinks he's a risky douchebag to host now.", "I was a fan, I've grown disappointed with him and his whining.", "Why is everyone standing?", "So he did a documentary about George Floyd? Weird, I haven't heard anything about that.", "In the video, Dave talks about how he'll make his documentary available even though the film studios don't want to touch it. Then he asks defiantly:\n\nDave: \"Am I canceled or not?\n\nCrown yells: \"NO!\"\n\nDave: \"Then let's go!\"\n\nI don't get how people's take away from that is that he's bitching about being canceled. To me it sounded the exact opposite.", "Seems like the argument against Dave boils down to this:\n1 He's rich so he should stop whining\n2 He's old and cringey\n3 He's a man so therefore privileged\n4 He's not funny\n5 He's \"punching down\"\n\nMy response to these:\n1 Jenner is rich so she is brave then so is Dave\n2 Ageist\n3 Very sexist thing to say\n4 That's like your opinion man. There's lots of stuff I think is stupid, not funny, lame, whatever. But I don't think people should lose their minds shutting down Justin Bieber.\n5 His humor has always been \"punching down\", whatever that's supposed to mean. Remember when he attacked the homeless community when he told the story of the homeless man holding a bus full of people hostage by masturbating in front of them? Or how about how he's boiled down some of the worst problems facing black Americans into some of the most stereotype ridden comedy fodder? Pretty much everything he jokes about is \"punching down\" it seems. It appears there is some extremely strenuous mental gymnastics going on to twist whatever he has been saying lately into being some kind of attack rather than what the rest of his massive body of work has been: finding a way to laugh our way through an unjust world.\n\nThis whole thing has just made me realize I'm finally officially old. The old liberals nearly invariably eventually turn into the new conservatives...", "50 years ago trans people couldn’t change their gender either, I don’t get his point at all. \n\nAlso, anyone remember Cat Stevens/Yusef Islam. The issue isn’t skin colour it’s probably more Islam." ]	17	videos	Dave Chappelle - "Am I Cancelled?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yV8xUorQ8	/r/videos/comments/qga9hg/george_carlin_on_larry_king_explaining_the_dave/	[ "\"aren't sure of their manhood\" seems more relevant now as a point then even when he brought it up. His whole point on that and feeling threatened by the minority group still rings true today IMO.", "What Andrew is he talking about?", "Ding ding ding. All people have to ask themselves is if a white dude spent an entire comedy skit ripping black people then would they be cool with it.\n\nIf you are? Fine. If not? Stop being a fucking hypocrite.", "I figured Andrew “Dice” Clay.", "I think Carlin would have supported Chappelle only in the sense that the special shouldn’t be taken down, but also would have been critical of how it punched down, which Carlin rarely ever did.", "Andrew Dice Clay I believe.", "This is why, as a white dude, I don't get so annoyed about jokes about white people, we are generally the most privileged and least oppressed as a group. \n\nAs a working class person I do get annoyed at comedians going after the poor and the usual targets of bullying in society. \n\nIt's not that it can't be funny, but if you are trying to make a point with your comedy, why go for the people who are already getting fucked over?", "> I think Carlin would have supported Chappelle only in the sense that the special shouldn’t be taken down\n\nIn the way he supported Dice at the beginning \"defend to the death your right to say it\". I agree with him even there, on a freedom level he'd defend the act and the ability to say it, but George's criticisms ring true even today of that style of comedy.", "Andrew Dice Clay, I'm assuming at the time he was making jokes insulting poor people in one of his arena specials.", "Agreed. I think it lies in the fact that he’s in a position of power in terms of gender. And people in power have always been prone to dehumanizing those underneath them. The thing that gets me is people who are also in minority positions that have endured incredible discrimination against themselves because of their minority position always seem to forget that reality when faced with another “kind” of minority. To me, the most discriminated should be the most accepting of everyone else, but unfortunately that isn’t reality.", "What does Dave Chappell have in common with Andrew Dice Clay?\n\nClay's character was angry, vicious, and insulting.\n\nChappell's character is teasing and he includes himself in that teasing as a minority.", "I think these jokes would also hit different if there's 1) a huge trans comedian on the scene who was successful, or 2) a trans comedian in general just making these jokes. \n\nThese jokes also aren't exactly Seinfeld-like, where it's simply just funy observational humor. If the jokes were simply like that, I do think this wouldn't have been as big of an issue.. but Dave often times bakes his jokes in a point.. and it's not simply just \"Jerry making a joke about something he observed\" lol", "I'm self deprecating too, does that mean I now get to be racist? Nope.", "> What does Dave Chappell have in common with Andrew Dice Clay?\n\n> Chappell's character is teasing and he includes himself in that teasing as a minority.\n\nYou're missing the point. Minorities aren't one huge group that's all encompassing, you can have in one context someone who may be a minority but in the context of who they are insulting, not be the minority. \n\nDave's a straight male, targeting large chunks of his comedy special to already struggling group of people that are more a minority (in a literal numbers sense of the word too). It's punching down at a group that struggles more then he does. Just because they're both minorities doesn't negate the action, that's not how it works. \n\nAnd to clarify, the style of comedian doesn't matter. Dave may not be angry and vicious, but if jokes don't feel like jokes and feel more like attacks at a group (which a few of his jokes did) then the style of comedian is irrelevant. The context around the joke is just as important as the joke itself. You can't take context away.\n\nedit: \n\nAlso, I'm not saying Dave can't say what he wants to say, I'm saying the reaction is more justified then a lot of Daves fans want to admit.", "Honestly the Chapelle jokes were just lazy and relying on transphobia even in the attempt to be humourous.\n\nThey reminded me of the racist \"If a dog's born in a barn does that make it a horse?\" jokes I grew up with in the UK about brown people being considered British. \n\nIt's meant to be demeaning and doesn't really follow a point other than to try gatekeep the identitie's of people who are too often the victims of hate anyway.", "If it was clever wordplay, or like genuinely well written and original, I'd probably defend Dave more. But they weren't at all that. That's why I hate a lot of these older comedians who say these jokes and get mad.. like.. if the joke was good, it'd be fine, but they're not good lol \n\nYou see good trans jokes from a lot of younger comedians because I think they don't have the same perspective, and it's a lot more normal for them then it is for a 50 year old.", "There are way too many George Carlin fans who seem to miss his every point.\n\nIt's like saying Scarface is your favourite movie because it's about how cool being a drug dealer is.", "Carlin would have recognised that their was no punching down in the Chappelle special.", "Ignoring the fact it wasn't the whole special, Chappelle wasn't 'ripping' on all trans people or even any trans people.\n\nHe was 'ripping' on a certain segment of the LGBT community and it's supporters who attack anyone who doesn't conform 100% to their ideals.", "Damn, George Carlin could really express himself.", "how did it punch down?", "When you make fun of marginalized groups.", "There are built-in counterpoints that Carlin, Voltaire, etc were all perfectly aware of:\n\n* I defend to the death your right to say it\n* I don't gotta like it, or support it\n* Nobody else has to like it either\n* You're not owed a platform beyond the space where you can plant your own two feet \n* You're not immune from judgment or fallout from what you say\n\nI support everybody's desire to speak their mind. Punch down if you want. Be a complete asshole. But I don't like people - so never mistake my willingness to let you rant as anything other than a desire to watch you publicly shame yourself. :)", "The commonality is that Carlin-type criticism is off the mark in both cases.\n\nNothing in Dave Chappell's routine was at all hating on trans people as a group. It's a smear to say so. If you disagree, quote something.\n\nClay's character was funny because he played a total idiot. An apparently-Italian-American misogynist troglodyte. If anyone should have been offended, it was Italian-Americans, but by-and-large they weren't the ones complaining. Meanwhile, Americans had zero issue with date-rape-as-a-joke (Animal House, Revenge of the Nerds, etc.) or straight-up-homophobia-as-oneself in, e.g., Eddie Murphy Raw.\n\nI suppose the other similarity is that OF COURSE the media attention paid to taking down a successful minority celebrity (Chapelle or Clay) is, in the end, the agenda of an old white secular Christian man selectively using \"outrage of a marginalized group\" that actually had no opportunity to vote as a group on whether they agreed with a few noisy protesters. The old white secular christian men get to decide what America finds worthy of 24/7 coverage for weeks on end.", "got it", "Dave was very clever in how he did a few of his jokes, particularly the one with the white mother. Because in the context of sitting down with an old white lady, he isn't punching down because it's a person in a group less marginalized then his own. But he's joking about their trans daughter, which is punching down, making kind of mean spirited (even if hes being honest) jokes towards a group more marginalized then his own. \n\nHe literally got a laugh cause he mentioned their genitals and scoffed. There's nothing clever about that joke. It's just mean.", "Dismissing transgender activism as a white strategy to fuck over black people is kinda punching down.", "looks like i need to re-watch the special.", "Partly. But he also just straight up laughed and was disgusted at the idea of someone wearing a dress and peeing with a penis. For example.", "That was a clear joke, with literally zero intended truth behind it. \n\nWhen he said trans people make up words to win arguments, he was joking but he also means it. When he said white people are changing the rules by being trans, he was obviously joking. \n\nThis is why people just shouldn't complain about comedy being offensive. If people are struggling to separate complete jokes from actual observations, there's no hope.", "Carlin stands as one of the best humans who ever lived.", "Any sane person understands that that is not normal behavior and therefore either humorous or disgusting.", "He laughed because it's a humorous image. I don't believe he was 'disgusted', I think you're going too far with that.", "I think Dave's whole premise for the special was that he didn't believe in the punching up/down argument.\n\nIn one special he...\n\nClaimed he was a TERF\n\nHad some offensive (or at least not funny) jokes at trans peoples expense\n\nDid a bit against bathroom bills\n\nUsed proper pronouns\n\nSaid he stands with the people at Stonewall \n\nWent after a group of twitter activists he thinks hurt his friend.\n\nThe whole specials was him saying \"there are good ones and bad ones\"\n\nThe \"good ones\" stood up at Stonewall\n\nThe \"bad ones\" harassed his friend and may have contributed to her suicide. \n\nIt was also about how \"our\" priorities as a society are messed up. How \"we\" as a culture spend more time worrying about a joke he wrote than human life. How these \"activists\" were so mad about someone defending jokes that they forgot to stick up for one of the people they're supposed to speak for.\n\nPeople want everything to be easy and binary these days. \"With us or against us\" \"Good vs. Evil\" But life is more complicated than that\n\nAt the end of the special he says \"stop punching down\" and he's talking about comedians and how this online mob attacked his friend. \n\nI feel like people missed a lot of the context of this special because of all the headlines around it.", "The thing is is that Chappelle doesn't think he's punching down. He points to the extraordinary power of certain communities (The LGBTQ+) to cancel people, to bully them (to death in one case). He even notes how they've been more successful in their efforts than other movements (BLM). That's his thesis. He postulates further comics as a threatened class who are being attacked for their views/comedy. This is pretty clear from the special. I'm not sure many people who are attacking Dave actually saw it. I'm not saying I agree with it, but that was his theme.", ">You're missing the point. Minorities aren't one huge group that's all encompassing, you can have in one context >someone who may be a minority but in the context of who they are insulting, not be the minority.\n\nI understand this, white male makes a joke at white female. You could easily categorise the white female to be the minority in this context. \n\n>Dave's a straight male, targeting large chunks of his comedy special to already struggling group of people that are more a minority (in a literal numbers sense of the word too). \n\nThis in my perspective just makes the whole discussion confusing and messy. You are excluding categories by just classifying Dave as a straight male. One debate is who's rights as a minority trumps another? religious rights vs female rights. \n\nAlso struggling group is debatable on what stats and regions of America especially when comparing states i believe. \n\n>It's punching down at a group that struggles more then he does. \n\nAgain i would say debatable...\n\n> Just because they're both minorities doesn't negate the action, that's not how it works.\n\nNo but i think the point being made was you can't compare minorities in terms either struggling, who's suffered more etc. You can compare the numbers like you said but you can't compare the punches(jokes). You say punching down i say poking down. \n\n\n>but if jokes don't feel like jokes and feel more like attacks at a group (which a few of his jokes did) then the style of comedian is irrelevant. The context around the joke is just as important as the joke itself. You can't take context away\n\nIf, feel This in my opinion the crux of this problem. you feel like some of the jokes was punching i do not. A lot of people agree with you and a lot of people agree with me. This is comedy, unless you do something like Kramar you never gonna catch someone punching down unless they get caught red handed (saying they was or spilling the beans another way)", "Little miss Muffet she sat on her tuffet, eating her curds eating and whey", "I'm sure he'd support keeping the special up, but lets also acknowledge that just about everyone agrees Chappelle has the \"right\" to say it. People also have the right to demand Netflix takes the special down because of what he said. Netflix has the right to take it down or not take it down. Everyone is within their rights here no matter what happens...in other words, it has nothing to do with rights.", "In his new special, he tells a story about how his trans friend in addition to everything that trans people have to go through socially was also getting it from the trans community, which was one of the reasons that she eventually killed herself. Chappelle's point was that you have to stick together and not succumb to infighting.\n\nOf course, a lot of people who didn't even bother to watch the special heard \"Chappelle talks about trans people in his new special\" and assumed that he's punching down, or that he was saying that trans people are somehow bad.\n\nThe irony of this situation is that OP's video of George Carlin inadvertently speaks to what Chappelle was saying in his new special, that comedy should punch up, not down or across. That punching across is what led his friend to kill herself.\n\nPeople, regardless of where you stand on the issue, you should find a way to watch that segment of the special so you know what it is you're talking about. It isn't long, and if you don't want to support it, don't watch it on Netflix, but please watch it before you come to a conclusion one way or another.", "Pretty sure the old stuff was encouraging/promoting negative stereotypes about minorities that was just damaging to his own community", "I don’t think you quite understood his point if you see it as a stand-alone joke. The point of his entire special with to dismiss non-black identity politics by narrating a long history of white activists being racists, eg his point about susan b Anthony and sojourner truth.", "The entire concept of “punching down” is stupid as fuck.", "If you, for a second, think that the LGBT+ community is the underdog here you are sorely mistaken. Try to cancel someone from that group and prove me wrong. When you have a specific group undermining everything and shaping the world in their image, you need to stop and think. Who is the underdog? One comedian or an entire group of people and their white knights. I mean, damn if you guys even watched the special instead of just reading headlines about it you would understand. It doesn't matter who you make jokes about...it's comedy. I myself prefer self depreciating humor on myself. If some one tells me I am a miserable person who will die alone I will most likely agree with them. People need to pick their battles. Inequality in the workplace is one of those battles I will stand for. People not having a sense of humor is not a cause I can support.", "Ok boomer", "Are you purposely leaving out where he compares the private parts to veggie burgers that just aren't the same?", "There's a significant difference between jokes meant to convey a message and jokes just meant to be humorous. \n\nLike his crackhead character in the Chappelle show. When he's explaining to the kids how easy it is to get crack, the joke is partly about how easy it is to get drugs. \n\nWhen he flushes himself down a toilet, there's no hidden message. It's just meant to be funny.", "Welcome to reddit...", "Dave identifies as a comedian, and should be treated as such.", "I mean he literally said he was uncomfortable with it. And mocked it. And later explained why by saying he was “invested in the gender construct,” which I took to mean old school binary thinking.", "> I think Carlin\n\nThe best part of Carlin being dead is that you can make him say whatever you want.", "Just an amazing human being all around. Very smart, very compassionate.", "The problem is, and having watched the special I can say it was a recurring theme... he kept framing trans people as only white for some reason. In all of his jokes. And I think he did it because in that context it maybe isn't punching down in the context of a black man talking to a white person. \n\nLike.. there is a genuine good idea in what he was discussing, about him being a black man and trying to come to terms with white trans people and their struggles while also feeling like they are the oppressor. That struggle he's experiencing his 100% valid, but the way he told his stories just came off as a little mean and the fact that he kept framing it as a white vs black thing made me feel like he was creatively finding a way to say the things without \"punching down\".\n\nBut then he also had, IMO, the most offensive joke: \"Now, I am not saying that to say that trans women aren't women.. I'm just saying, that those pussies that they got..... you know what I mean?\". \n\nThat joke was one of those jokes where I would seriously take a step back and feel that laugh. It doesn't feel in any way like a good laugh. Just IMAGINE that joke from a white comedian about black people's genitals. JUST IMAGINE THAT. There wasn't even a joke with that first laugh, it was just the thought and that was where he was getting the laugh from. It wasn't until the next sentence where he actually wrote a joke. The laugh that first line got, when all he did was pause and say \"you know what I mean?\" just felt so uncomfortable to me. And 100% punching down. Nothing about that felt like a good well written joke. It was bad.", "Keep it on topic, fella. Folks are trying to defend chapelle, not paint him as a raging bigot.", "I made this point in another comment, but it's relevant here: \n\n\" IMO, the most offensive joke: \"Now, I am not saying that to say that trans women aren't women.. I'm just saying, that those pussies that they got..... you know what I mean?\".\n\nThat joke was one of those jokes where I would seriously take a step back and feel that laugh. It doesn't feel in any way like a good laugh. Just IMAGINE that joke from a white comedian about black people's genitals. JUST IMAGINE THAT. There wasn't even a joke with that first laugh, it was just the thought and that was where he was getting the laugh from. It wasn't until the next sentence where he actually wrote a joke. The laugh that first line got, when all he did was pause and say \"you know what I mean?\" just felt so uncomfortable to me. And 100% punching down. Nothing about that felt like a good well written joke. It was bad.\"\n\nLike, I could live with Dave's jokes where it was about the white trans / black man dynamic, because there is an interesting thought there. But this joke IMO was just a little too uncomfortable for me.", "He's not dismissing LGBT people, he's just not buying in to their message 100% which will make a radical part of the community declare you a bigot. \n\nYou can be 100% supportive of Transgender people while accepting a Trans Women is different to a genetically born women. But that will get you a lot of hate from some segments of the LGBT community. \n\nChappelle has a problem with those people. Not that vast vast majority of LGBT people.", "> I myself prefer self depreciating humor on myself.\n\nI wasn't aware Dave Chapelle was trans.", "The message is that there has been a radicalisation of parts of the LGBT community in recent years.\n\nHe doesn't mean pre-2005 LGBT people = OK. Post 2005 LGBT people = bad.", "You're responding to a video where he said words for a minute and twenty seconds. Do you think this conclusion was drawn from a picture or something?", "You know Dave was punching down becuase there's no way a trans comic could get away with making fun of black people on stage for an hour.", "no it isn't. Jokes inherently don't hit the same when you joke down towards a struggling group of people from a more privledged position. It's always been the case. And it's conveniently always the privledged ones laughing at other people that seem to think punching down isn't a thing.", "Guess what, you can be a comedian AND transphobic/racist. \n\nI had to grow up listening to too much Roy Chubby Brown to know that comedy is sometimes a very thin veil for bigotry.", "100% every word of that special was crafted and nuanced. Ultimately he didn't say anything truly offensive, but people can still take parts of it out of context and make plenty of outrage and headlines - and that only increases his sales and viewership. \n\nEven the people that are against him, are helping him.", "Comics should tell funny jokes, regardless of which way they punch", "Andrew Dice Clay joked about poor people, and George went on Larry King and specifically included gay people in his talk about marginalized groups that he included as punching down. If you think George wouldn't have gone a step further here, you're incredibly naive.", "Let's not forget that Dave is a rich celebrity with netflix specials who even if he gets 'canceled' will never have to worry about a roof over his head, so he can 'punch down' to plenty of people of all races and gender identities.", "Nah I don’t think so. He didn’t make jokes only about that narrow slice of cancel culture. I think that’s what George Carlin would have done. But chapelle also made jokes about trans bodies and detailed his philosophy that black people have been victimized by trans activism.", "If it's a group of people with the power to get you canceled just for being critical of them, then you aren't punching down.", "Is it punching down? Every corporation, government entity, and the vast majority of institutions are on the side of transsexuals.", "His theme was to attack trans people and then attempt to wrap it with some kind of high ideal to make it seem like he wasn't just attacking trans people. He even went with a classic \"I have trans friend\" which is exactly what racists say about black folks when they make racist jokes. \n\nI was/am a big fan of Chapelle, and he spoke truth about a lot of black issues but I think on a long enough timeline you reach a social issue you should just shut up about. Chappelle found his and dug in. Silly and avoidable. You can be as verbose and clever as you want but people tend to have a good radar for when they are being jabbed at.", "Ah it's classic hindsight mentality. \n\nLike people who are fine with all the civil rights stuff but BLM is just too much. \n\nThe people who didn't agree with slavery but civil rights and mixing was just too much.\n\nThe people didn't agree with treating slaves poorly but abolition was just too much.\n\n\"Yeah, the gays fighting for respect 50 years ago were cool, but you guys don't deserve the respect you are asking for\"\n\nIt's disingenuous and weirdly quite a conservative mindset.", "This appears to be the one thing George Carlin ever said that woke critics of comedy actually like. Yet Carlin was a notorious equal opportunity offender.", "You and u/paxanimus have really phrased it very succinctly. I was hearing all the buzz circling this special and was fully prepared to walk out defending Dave Chappell. I had a preconceived reaction before watching it. However, once I watched it I found myself not enjoying what he was doing. While there should always be a discourse on the many levels of oppression and how they interact, he often operated from a point of gatekeeping oppression. “I’m the guy who turned down 50 million dollars!” (Responded to with copious applause) My brain thought, “what the hell has that got to do with anything?” I’m a straight white male. I am the privileged. I have never taken a firsthand experience of oppression and said, “now I relate to black oppression.” Or “now I relate to gay oppression.” To do that would be incredibly ignorant of a complex perspective. All I can do is try my best to appreciate and understand another’s perspective. So, when Dave said that, it felt like a launching point for him to justify a full reigned critique over a specific minority/class. I may be oversimplifying his approach, but it was at that moment he started to sound like an old man out of touch, and not the reflection of society’s inner thoughts. \n\nNow all of that said, I agree with Dave that we can agree to disagree. Yes, he’s got a certain level of responsibility with the power of his voice, but he’s a human being. People need to identify that they can reach their own conclusions independently and without the alignment of their selected idols or heroes.", "It's classic Rowling.\n\nJust because you are progressive and open minded about many issues, it doesn't mean you don't have massive prejudice/ignorance about other issues. \n\nChapelle would be among the first to call out the bullshit rhetoric he was saying if he was part of the community it was effecting. He's just found himself being the bigot in the situation.", "I think the TERF part is what got a lot of people up in their britches. TERF recently online has become more of a twitter handle for anti-trans women protecting a \"Traditional way of life\". Comparing himself to J.K was probably a bad idea too. With that context the whole special seemed disingenuous and a lot of people got buttmad.", "MLK had a 65% disapproval rating when he was alive.", "Having people on your side doesn't make you suddenly not marginalized. There are still major race issues in this country, and you don't see a lot of corporations championing the cause of racism.", "You're comparing jokes that punch with jokes that don't punch at all.\n\nYou are correct, jokes don't need to punch. You don't need there to be a person at the butt of a joke, it can just be observational, or personal, etc. But IF you're going to punch, if your joke is directed AT somebody, they better have more power than you. Not because it wouldn't be acceptable, but because it's not funny. And when people tell you it's not funny, you're allowed to disagree, but you're not allowed to say there was no punching at all because the people who were being HIT just didn't understand it. \n\nThere's a TED talk about a guy who responds to scam emails to torture them. It's very funny. It it was told from the opposite perspective, if a scammer was on stage making light of the stupidity of his marks, and all the money these idiots just gave him, would it be funny? No. Because, in society, scammers are people that take advantage of others. They're exploiters of power dynamics, as opposed to the actual talk, which is making light of that reversal. That's what it means when people say \"don't punch down.\"", "Chappelle is just a Boomer yelling Boomer stuff. Sad to see him fall so far. He’s great at making comedy about what it’s like being black in America, because he’s very knowledgeable about it. He’s not knowledgeable about LGBT rights so he should probably shut the fuck up.", "Along came a spider\n\nWho sat down beside her\n\nAnd said \"Hey, what's in the bowl bitch\"?", "How are they marginalised?", "> This in my perspective just makes the whole discussion confusing and messy. You are excluding categories by just classifying Dave as a straight male. One debate is who's rights as a minority trumps another? religious rights vs female rights.\n\nI'm doing it because he did it. His special he strategically only spoke about white trans as if that's all the trans community is, and white trans women even more specifically. He specifically did this with intention, because his jokes wouldn't have landed the same if the woman wasn't white. If he can joke about himself as a black person and contextualize it specifically about white trans people, I'm able to make that distinction in terms of criticism of his intentions. \n\n> Also struggling group is debatable on what stats and regions of America especially when comparing states i believe.\n\nAgain it depends on the context, and part of my issue is that Dave is very strategic about who he discussed. It's not debatable if your comparing the experiences of a straight black man, or a black trans man. There's a reason Dave ignored this group in his special and focused specifically on white people, it dismisses an entire community as either non existent (or the more likely reason, because he would be very obviously be punching down.)\n\n> No but i think the point being made was you can't compare minorities in terms either struggling\n\nHe had a specific joke where he did this very thing. He had a joke where the entire punchline was trans people didn't experience slavery (which is also false, again, depending on the community.) But like I said, he only targeted white trans people because it was an easier target for him then if he was talking in general.\n\n> You say punching down i say poking down.\n\nFor most of the special I'd argue it was relatively harmless, and would agree with you. But I will argue this on one specific joke that even he knew was gonna cause problems after he said it: \n\nAt 55 minutes, \"Now, I am not saying that to say that trans women aren't women.. I'm just saying, that those pussies that they got..... you know what I mean?\"\n\nThere's no joke there, and that got a laugh. It's literally just a \"lets laugh at their genitals line\". That's it. Nothing clever in that laugh, and I'd argue that was easily the most offensive joke he made. Everything else had some merit behind the race conversation. That didn't. \n\n> you feel like some of the jokes was punching i do not. \n\nThe person making the joke isn't the barometer on this. That's the problem. You don't get to decide if a joke you tell crosses the line.", "Yeah because we all know Trans people are the real power in this country and not a marginalized group of people. Are you that stupid?\n\nEdit: you guys really need a /s on everything?", "For appearance. Trans people are still a very marginalized group.", "Dave was trying to be proLGBTQ, but imo had some underlying phobias\n\nNeed to break this up since this sub has a character limit otherwise automod removes this\n\npart 1\n\n------\n\nHe didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general. He goes out of his way to address the entire LGBTQ community explicitly in his gripes. He said that they act like minorities until they need to act white around Black people, based off one personal bad personal experience. He said 'Trans people make up words to win arguments'. He said the trans are out to get him and he needs to look for adams apples\n\n---\n\nHe used a huge platform to lie about the trans community. He said JK Rowling was cancelled for stating a biological fact. First, she wasn't cancelled. she's still with her publisher, still publishing books with cross-dressing characters who are murderers\n\nSecond, she didn't just state a fact, she has openly befriended and amplified the voices of TERFs on social media, and that she penned a long manifesto expressing the pernicious TERF ideology that trans women might actually be male sexual predators in disguise", "If everyone agreed with him he wouldn't have had to march.\n\nYour conservatives of today are very much the conservatives of yesterday failing to admit that their mentality is flawed.", "It doesn't help in addition to that joke, the term his self proclaimed TERF has become picked up as twitter handle for anti-trans women to protect their \"Traditional way of life.\".", "part 2\n\n----\n\nHe complained that the LGBTQ community is preventing him to from going after white people, that he had them on the ropes before the LGBTQ community stopped him. But it's Dave who keeps on dedicating his specials to them. When his last special was released there were no articles being written about his beef with them, no social media trends. And then he dedicated nearly his whole special to them\n\nAnd if he wants to get conspiratorial about white people, race, and sexuality issues, look at what they did in India and the Philippines. They did a ton to demonize homosexuality in those areas. They always do. Like the Hindy/Muslim animosity and the Caste system in India (which existed before the British came, but they dialed that the knob up to 100% by codefying into law and making it a part of their educational system) and apartheid in South Africa, they are always pitting minority groups against each other so that they won't focus on their oppressor\n\nHow can this be more glaring than that the anti-gay people and anti-trans people are the same ones who are anti-BLM. The same people who keep passing laws specifically targeting Black people from voting", "Great, he's wrong and he's punching down", "part 3\n\n-----\n\nHe complained 'to what extent am I obligated to participate in your self image'. He has none, but to what extent are they obligated to indulge in the idea that he is beyond criticism? To what extent should they suppress the fact that he is no longer a positive influence in their life\n\n----\n\nHe complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions\n\n----", "Then, wouldn't that be punching up?", "part 4\n\n\nHe blamed the LGBTQ community for taking away Kevin Hart's childhood dream of hosting the Oscars\n\nFirst, his old jokes were hurtful. Don Lemon did a great job of explaining why. I'm not going to link the youtube videos because that tends to get my comment deleted by the automod but I'll just mention what to look up on youtube\n\nYoutube Don Lemmon Kevin Hart \n\nAnd Kevin Hart later acknowledged at much, saying that he has grown since\n\nYoutube Kevin Hart apology\n\nBut the issue is that he was adamant in not addressing it twice. But he never apologized the first time. No apologies in every interview he did about his hurtful comments prior to the Oscars; he defended himself and blamed the audience each time\n\nGoogle the vulture.com article titled \"Where Are Kevin Hart’s Past Apologies? An Investigation\"\n\nIf hosting the Oscars truly was his childhood dream and giving an apology (and instead lying about previously apologizing) was a boundary, then he has a \"Brittle-ass spirit\" (Dave's phrase for LouisCK victims)\n\nBtw by his own usage of the terminology, Dave tried to 'cancel' Don Lemon\n\nYoutube Don Lemmon responds to Chappelle\n\n-----", "He yelled at conservatives and Christians more then any other group, particularly religious people. You're lying to yourself if you think Carlin in the second half of his comedy career didn't specifically love targeting old white conservative Christians more then other groups.", "part 5\n\n-----\n\nDave says 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Dave's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Conversion therapy is legal in 30 states. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths\n\n-----\n\nRegarding the insinuation that the LGBTQ community responsible for Daphane's death, he didn't mention that she had lost custody of her child shortly before her suicide. Also, he didn't seem at that close as he refused to go to her funeral or 3 memorials of hers when invited. Also, nobody can find the bullying as described by Chappelle. Daphane's defense of Chappelle had less than 10 twitter replies\n\n------", "Wtf does this mean? I saw Chappelle’s special", "Fuck right off with this lying ass bullshit.\n\nGo watch the video again.", "Yea I agree.\n\nI honestly had no plans of watching his new special until I heard all this uproar. Then I was like fuck...I should probably watch this just to see what's going on. So much nuance is missed in the online lynch mob. \n\nDo I think it was kind of edgy comedy? Yea of course. Do I 100% agree with everything he says? Definitely not. But after watching it I was solidified in my belief that cancel culture is getting out of control. And I think what pisses a lot of people off is that you can't really cancel Dave. He's an extremely well known comedian with a huge following, he will always be able to shoot specials and do huge shows. He doesn't have some job you can just get him fired from.", "part 6\n\n------\n\nI don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia/transphobia\n\nDave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people'\n\nHe always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complained 'why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name'. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research?\n\nIf his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting\n\nDave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege to wage with his fellow millionaire celebrities", "On a purely fact based level. You get how stats work right? If they're fewer in the population then other groups, they are marginalized. Trans people aren't 51% of the population.", "Punching down is not a comedic term. It's used outside of comedy. \n\nIt's not automatically punching down to make somebody the subject of a joke. It's only punching down if the joke is at their expense. \n\n'Trans men aren't really men lol' would be punching down. It's mocking them.\n\n'White people have changed the rules with black people by being trans' is a joke to start with, not meant to be taken seriously at all because everyone knows this isn't happening, including Dave Chappelle. But it's not mocking trans people anyway. If it was mocking anyone, it would be mocking white people", "Or a lying ass troll", "It would seem stupid to a Trumper", "I think that making fun of marginalized group of society by propagating negative stereotypes is stupid as fuck. Theres a reason no one ever picks on Native Americans in comedy even though the racists who want to hear it would role that shit up and smoke it.", "Wouldn’t that just make them marginal? Not marginalised.", "I've watched it and determined I'm correct and any other opinion is wrong. \n\nThat's what the anti-Chappelle crowd are doing so I may as well join in as well.", "And yet he hasn’t actually been cancelled, so I guess they are not that powerful after all.", "Nah I think we should just be able to make jokes and not have to do an analysis of social hierarchy before doing it.", "\"Now, I am not saying that to say that trans women aren't women.. I'm just saying, that those pussies that they got..... you know what I mean?\"\n\nThere was no joke there. It was literally a laugh based off imagining trans people's genitals. That was the laugh. There wasn't a joke. \n\nI get the debate around a lot of his special, but I think transphobia is so engrained in a lot of people that they don't even notice something is horrifically offensive. \n\nJust imagine a white comedian making that joke about another gender or race, and you'll understand how abhorrent that line was. Even he knew, in the special, that he crossed a line by his reaction after he said this.", "part 7 (had to censor this a lot for it to not be deleted by the automod)\n\nHe also complained that Dababy got cancelled for being phobic but not for mrder. First, it's always easier for celebrities to attack individuals over attacking minorities\n\nThe CEO of papa john got cancelled for using a slur. Roseanne got cancelled for telling a POC person she looks like a animal. Kramer got cancelled for using the a slur.\n\nChris Brown got away with beating Rihanna. Don King stomped a guy to death and went on to become boxing's biggest promoter. Rbert Richards, heir to the DuPont company, was convicted of his daughter and served no jail time. Attacks on individuals don't elicit the media attention like racism and phobia do. But this is somehow the fault of the LGBTQ community?", "\n>Nothing in Dave Chappell's routine was at all hating on trans people as a group. \n\nWell, that's since revisionist bullshit. It's been quoted all over the comments, you just keep denying it", "It's completely unnecessary to talk about. All he did was give transphobes specific instances of trans people also being shitty to latch onto whenever anyone tries to say that trans deserve what these idiots consider 'special treatment'. Dave is also an idiot for not understanding how these things can incentivize & bolster prejudice. He truly has learned nothing important from being persecuted as a black man. If you knew anything about the trans community, you'd understand how offensive and truly harmful it is to support TERFs and be proud of being one. You do not understand what you're talking about.", ">If you, for a second, think that the LGBT+ community is the underdog here you are sorely mistaken. \n\nGTFO bigot", "part 8 \n\nFurthermore, social media backlash isn't a strong indicator of the extent to which systemic racism and homophobia is being addressed in our society. There's still record high killings of trans people. Police can still largely murder POC and face no legal repercussions\n\nAnd even if you wanted to use that, KevinHart still making billion dollar movies, JKRowling still publishing novels, DaBaby recording a song for Kanyes new album. Megyn Kelly, Roseanne Barr, Michael Richards, CEO of papa johns are actually cancelled\n\nActual cancellations from social media backlash are when corporations stop doing business with a person because their image no longer brings in the same revenue as when they hired them. This never really challenges the root power structures and phobias in our society. It doesn't matter how many celebrities throw their careers in toilet, it won't affect systemic racism in policing", "Love Dave Chappelle.", "Why do you think ‘cancel culture’ is getting out of control if Dave is cancel-proof?", "That's the stupidest fucking thing I've read all day", "> He didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general.\n\nYes he did when he specifically said \"I stand with the people who stood up at Stonewall\" and \"my problem isn't with LGBT people it's with white people\" \n\nHe's saying there that those twitter activist's who he seems to blame for his friends suicide are seen as \"off limits\" to criticize because they're trans. \n\nJ.K. Rowlings whole thing started because of bathroom laws and like you wrote the belief \"that trans women might actually be male sexual predators in disguise\" which is something I disagree with and it's ALSO something Dave clearly disagrees with judging by his jokes against bathroom bills. Again, this isn't a binary situation. I don't agree with Dave calling himself a \"TERF\" (not sure he knew the whole history with J.K. Rowling maybe he did) but it doesn't make him transphobic or bigoted either IMO. It's a label, what matters is what someone says they believe and how they treat people.\n\nI think people get too hung up on the word \"cancelled\" here too. I think the point should be more about other people. SO yes, Rowling makes people out there enough money where they keep her on the payroll but someone else with little influence who has the same beliefs might not be.", "He wasn't fucking cancelled you lying ass troll", "I can’t remember the special too well, so this next sentence isn’t meant to be facetious. Was this the part where he was arguing that folks should be able to use the bathroom of their identified gender?", "It seems like he has largely upset the trans community and given the fact he compares their genitals to veggie burgers while openly stating he's with the Trans Exclusionary type, I don't know why he or anyone would be annoyed at him being labeled transphobic.\n\nOh unless he decides to say \"I have a trans friend\", which he did.", "Yeah, it's not that clever and it just comes from a place of misunderstanding.", "No, Dave didn't understand the context his words were in. He doesn't understand how much this shit will incentivize prejudiced assholes to give even less of a shit about the trans community. You don't know what you're talking about. Have you ever met a trans person??", ">If, feel This in my opinion the crux of this problem. you feel like some of the jokes was punching i do not\n\nHere's the thing about that statement, if your not trans you're not the one who get to make that call. As a White man Im not going to tell a black person what racism is, and im not going to tell a woman sexism is. Because i don't have the authority to speak on the matter. If Trans people are upset, you cant say its okay because you dont feel bad about it.", "Transsexuals have great political and social power relative to their numbers. Nobody is oppressing them. Not in the slightest. Cry more. You can’t have the undying support of the most powerful people on earth and then complain that you’re oppressed.", "Try turning on the AM/FM radio. Its the same shit with their hosts, its just thats the one place they can get away with it because only old people listen to it.", "It's a community intent on blocking progress & understanding for a specific branch of humanity. They're misunderstanding pieces of shit that perpetuate hate, whether it's their goal or not, it's not just a controversial opinion.", "his special was \"dude i have black friends, i cant be racist\"", "\"Recently\"? That's literally the only* thing \"TERF\" has ever meant, for as long as it's been a term. It intentionally derogates transphobic feminists who exclude trans women from their definition of \"woman\". If there's any confusion, it's that people don't realize that \"TERF\" has only ever meant one thing, whether Dave himself realizes what it's always meant or not.", "> \"Now, I am not saying that to say that trans women aren't women.. I'm just saying, that those pussies that they got..... you know what I mean?\".\n\nThat was the most cruel and willfully ignorant part of his bit. Completely agree that was fear-driven cruelty. In other parts of his act, I felt the cruelty was him trying to drive his point home, but that line was on purpose.", "Thanks for all this, it's ridiculous how dense all these people are", "Well Carlin also identified anorexia with \"rich cunts\" who \"don't want to eat\", so I think it's safe to say he wasn't always right about everything.", "I’m hearing a lot of people claiming the material wasn’t offensive, but those people weren’t the target of the material. As a cishet white man, it’s not up to me if something is offensive to black people, or women, or the LGBT community, etc. Let’s listen to the people who are actually affected by what he said. All of my trans friends are pretty upset, and it’s their view that really matters in this case.", "Oh shut up, you know they're right.", "I've never found Chappelle funny and Carlin's argument supports why I haven't.", "exactly lol", "Completely wrong analogy by OP.", "You completely ignored everything I said about jokes not needing to punch, and jokes that punch being capable of being funny, so long as they're not directed at people who have less power than you. It's not automatically punching down to make someone the butt of your joke, that's why punching up is a thing.\n\nHe literally has a joke that begins with him saying Trans women are women, and then immediately following it up with a line about how their genitals are fake, only women have babies (Which is, you know, false. Because trans men and intersex people exist), something that's so traumatic for trans women it's at the core of a lot of their own self-harm and depression. He's making light of their very identity. That's punching down.\n\nHe also equates transness with whiteness, as if black and other POC aren't trans, as if black trans women IN PARTICULAR are the most victimized people, per capita, in the country. He doesn't fathom that anyone could consider him powerful, even as he uses his international platform to repeat anti-trans dog whistles and to unironically align himself with JKR and \"Team TERF.\" That's so ignorant.\n\nDo I think the special should be taken down? Fuck no. But I sure as fuck agree that it was his worst special, in terms of quality, and that the criticism isn't just justified, but healthy. Intersectionality is important, and it seems as if where once he brought great insight and made people laugh at horrible things, now he just wants to say whatever he wants and doesn't give a shit whether you laugh or not. \n\nStop me if I'm boring you. I'm sure you've heard this all before.", "You do see the issue in just going to \"whataboutism\" as a defense right? It's not actually a point, you're just saying Dave made other jokes and no one got as outraged, and thus the level of outrage is the gauge on if we should listen to people? That's not a point. You're just saying that people need to be louder for us to listen to them.", "Exactly this. I'm looping over and getting sick of comedians complaining about cancel culture, all while they aren't actually in much danger of being cancelled.", "Seriously though, what exactly is the horrifically offensive part of that joke (or whatever label you'd prefer to put on it, to save time quibbling)?\n\n\nTo me the laugh is very obviously in treating the pregnant pause as a statement in itself that everyone clearly understood.", "People make jokes about black peoples genitals all the time. I see nothing wrong with that. I would personally not do it but I respect that some people, even black people do it.", "And thats why i agree with the people who are upset about this. Even if Chapelle didn't know. He tried to sympathies with trans people by leading the entire part with saying he is Anti-trans, and agrees with Rowling who is not like by the community as a whole. Then goes on to say its okay because his trans friend died and he felt bad about it. That's comes off mighty disingenuous. Even if it was the fact he didn't study enough into TERF.", "Also, I don't see this mentioned enough, but there's an inherent transphobic reason that Dave seemed to focus so much on male-to-female trans people, and not the other way around. That alone, IMO, is proof enough of the inherent transphobia of the special. From that line, to Caitlin and women of the year joke, to the person at the club. \n\nYou could argue the black man vs a white trans person dynamic is an interesting perspective on the conversation of struggle. And I think it's a valid perspective he had.. but the fact that he so specifically targeted one type of transition here seems to tell all you need to know about the intention IMO.", "I agree with your comment but doesn’t that mean we all very likely have bias or prejudice? So.. who are we to judge so harshly? \n\nNot saying you are I am speaking more towards the people making the headlines.", "I just don't see it this way at all. IMO he pretty clearly drew a line in the sand between who he was criticizing and who he wasn't. Everyone seems to be taking it on themselves as if he was talking about them but I don't think that is what he was after.", "I mean, I'd argue it's all wrong. But no I don't see this being equal, the punchline is never \"their genitals are gross\" which is what this line specifically did. People need to stop downplaying what he really did there.", "https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/oct/26/texas-signs-into-law-bill-banning-transgender-athletes-from-school-sports \n\nYeh no oppression.", ">I feel like people missed a lot of the context of this special because of all the headlines around it.\n\n100%. \n\nNearly everyone I argued with about this special turned out to not actually see the special, and felt entitled enough to argue against Dave without even seeing the content of the show. Those people are making Dave's argument for him and not even realizing it.\n\nDave went out of his way to make a nuanced argument about what hes seeing as a part of our culture, and I am watching other people twisted his words and use them against him in an unjust fashion. It's really reinforces what hes saying as correct.", "You think men should be allowed to play in womens sporting competitions?", "He's saying their genitals are gross. \n\n> To me the laugh is very obviously in treating the pregnant pause as a statement in itself that everyone clearly understood.\n\nYes. The laugh made me super uncomfortable as well. That laugh isn't a positive IMO, and felt very much in line with Dave making jokes about black people and a group of white supremacists enjoying the joke a little too much. \n\nHe mentioned blackface in his special, and thats rather apt comparison. A white crowd in the 30's also laughed loudly at blackface. That doesn't make the joke or the act OK simply because there's laughter when it happened.", "Black people genitals is often used an enhancement to gross out the audience. \n\nLike it’s not a big dick it’s a big black dick in your ass.", ">Whenever people keep being given a platform to say they have no platform, or whenever people speak endlessly about being silenced, you not only have a performative contradiction; you are witnessing a mechanism of power.\n\nSara Ahmed.", "Yes, that shouldn't be OK either. Especially now. Proving another bad case of this existing doesn't disprove the current case isn't also bad.", "> \"Now, I am not saying that to say that trans women aren't women.. I'm just saying, that those pussies that they got..... you know what I mean?\" There was no joke there. It was literally a laugh based off imagining trans people's genitals. That was the laugh. There wasn't a joke. \n\n\nI find you can often make a joke not a joke when you cut out the entire punchline. \n\nFor context, what he said immediately after what op posted, \"It's like beyond pussy or impossible pussy. That's not blood it's beet juice\". The merits of that punchline are a different conversation, but you literally cut out the most important sentence of what ties it together as a joke to make your point.", "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, sometimes it's a big brown dick", "He's the one with power in this situation by being paid handsomely by Netflix to promote such ideas. So even though I'm sure I have my own prejudice, I don't think my views are either being financially rewarded or promoted to millions of people, so I think as consumers we can judge what we are being fed, without being hypocritical.", "> He's saying their genitals are gross.\n> \n> \n\nDisagree, I think the message is that they're not the \"real thing\", something made pretty unambiguous with the \"impossible pussy\" followup joke.", "> there are no \"lines\" you can cross in comedy.\n\nAgain, it's not about whether he can or can not cross the line, it's about being man enough, to borrow a phrase, to accept and listen to criticism you get after you do cross that line. \n\nThe ability to cross or not cross a line doesn't mean you get to plug your ears and not listen to anyone after you do the thing. Consequences for actions is also a reality, so many people want to pretend that part of it doesn't exist.", "Rowling tweets the peak of conservatism toward exclusion for trans women to not value themselves as women. She believes that it undermines being a woman and devalues them. (Which itself is a production of a temporary environment and varies all over the world) Which is textbook transphobia. They do have the same mindset, it just manifests differently because Chapelle is a black man from a different social environment.", "I am not going to reply to all 8 fucking parts, but you are absolutely phrasing these as one way arguments without actually representing his actual points. Of course the droves of people who aren't going to be fucked to actually watch the content and decide for themselves, you are dismissing nearly everything he said, and phrasing it as only having one meaning.\n\nThe Dababy point was good. He murdered someone with no consequence, but became public enemy #1 over shitty comments (ones Dave also recognizes as explicitly shitty) Literal murder got him less negative attention than a weirdo rant.\n\nYou can side step this, come up with something to dismiss it, or you can head on answer this question, What the fuck is wrong with us, that literal murder means less than hurting a persons feelings?", "Ah now I get why you think trans people are not oppressed, you don’t think they even exist. That’s rather curious. I hope you work through whatever neurosis you are going through.", "But you don’t need to be making money to feed other with your prejudice. Where do you think you got yours? It’s your family, friends and where you grew up.", "Anything can be offensive if you want it to be. He is making a point there. He is basically saying he accepts people for what they are, but we shouldn’t be silenced by calling something what it is. \n\nWhat I find hilarious in this special is this outrage is exactly what he called. The community being outraged right now is proving Dave’s point, so much so it is making them look terrible. \n\nIn that special he made fun of priests molesting him, him jerking off in a priests face, made fun of whites, Asians, blacks, Jews, gays, women, and so much more. And the only thing being discussed right now is that he made fun of trans people. They are proving his point that this community just wants control. \n\nHe constructed it so beautifully. He made the point about his friend saying “I’m order for Dave to punch down, that means he has to think less of you, he punch’s in straight lines” telling us that he doesn’t look down on anyone. His very last words were “stop punching down on us” which is him highlighting that this outrage community just looks down on anyone who opposes them. And the outrage and cry to cancel him now is literally proving that.", "They do exist. But believing you are a woman doesn't make you one. Physically they are men and shouldn't be competing against women.", "Okay, but those people have a platform and those people have influence on others and those others are the people we have to share space with, right? Take the creators of South Park for instance. Their \"but they make fun of everyone\" excuse may seem fine on the surface but it has a tendency to elevate bad ideas and beliefs that wouldn't happen otherwise. Personally, I might be clever enough to simply see the humor in it and not let it otherwise cloud my judgement but there are plenty of people that take a humoristic point and make it a salient one.", "Comedy is too subjective though when it comes to what is right or wrong, offensive or inoffensive. What about all the trans people that ARENT'T offended by the special? How about the LGBQ+ members that aren't offended? To add, comedians and jokes are, no offense, not at fault for a trans persons suicide or self harming tendencies. You cannot blame mental illness on comedy specials. To blame one's mental illness on jokes is something only the overly-privileged can claim to do and it's disgusting. Imagine Donald Trump Jr trying to tell people a comedian should be cancelled because they made a joke about them and it hurt his feelings...You'd tell him to fuck right off and grow a tougher skin.\n\nTo have to even debate about such nonsense is a sign we are too pathetic to handle comedy or any sort of potential discussion about it...", ">LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically.\n\nHe literally does ALL the time. He can't speak about something hes observing going on, that other people are also observing going on? Your 8 part rant is a part of trying to silence people who don't agree to every part of your argument, reinforces what Dave is saying is correct. You can't call out something you honestly feel isn't correct.", "Because the first laugh he got didn't have that second punchline. I'm talking specifically about the first laugh he got, that didn't have that \"beyond meat\" line. \n\nYou can't just ignore that he paused at the end of a joke for a laugh to settle before doing his second joke. The first jokes merits can be criticized on it's own when it got a laugh.", "There was nothing when I posted. So do you mean this passage:\n\n> “Gender is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on earth, had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth. That is a fact. Now, I am not saying that to say trans women aren’t women, I am just saying that those pussies that they got… you know what I mean? I’m not saying it’s not pussy, but it’s Beyond Pussy or Impossible Pussy. It tastes like pussy, but that’s not quite what it is, is it? That’s not blood. That’s beet juice.”\n\nNow I think he's confused on this, but literally everyone is. Recent news proclaimed the \"first female 4 star admiral\" about a trans woman, when not only has there been a 4 star admiral woman, but \"female\" is supposed to refer to sex according to the latest set of definitions from 5 minutes ago. The point is that trans-women do not have female anatomy, though of course plastic surgery can (apparently) produce something that some people (very rarely I imagine?) opt for.\n\nAnd of course \"had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on earth\" is just incorrect, but whatever, comedians get shit wrong all the time, & sometimes it serves some purpose in setting up a joke I suppose. And/or it's like saying \"dogs have 4 legs\" & then being corrected by someone screaming \"I saw a 3 legged dog asshole!\" \n\nIs the pass-through-the-legs comment hateful against OB/GYNs that perform Cesareans? Of course not, that would be idiotic.\n\nThe point is, it's not hateful. He doesn't hate anyone & didn't express any hatred. You just don't like the point he's making or find his joke funny.", "31 years ago.", "Oh, so he didn't mean to compare trans people's private parts to fake burgers while using the label given to a specific transphobic part of the feminist community?", "> \"real thing\"\n\nHis next joke did that, this one didn't. If he was so concerned about that part, he would've just made the beyond joke instead of what he did. I get that you don't want to admit it's transphobic, but if someone tells you something is transphobic, and many people have clearly done that seeing by the outrage from it. You don't get to decide how someone else receives the joke, and that's the flaw in telling intentionally vague jokes that require essentially large pauses for the punchline. That's the risk and the gamble he took with that joke, and he knew it too by his reaction later. \n\nDave is a masterful comedian, he isn't doing this stuff accidentally.", ">He didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general. \n\nYes he did. He literally says fuck twitter, cause twitter isn't a real place. He specifically says this isn't about the entire LGBTQ community, and specifically about how people are choosing to handle things in specific spaces.", "[https://youtu.be/9l4JpI0nwf8](https://youtu.be/9l4JpI0nwf8) he went pretty hard\n\nedit: when you look at the comments about andrew, think about what your comments about dave will look like in the future. just food for thought.", "He made 40 million dollars off of the previous two specials, and couldn't afford for someone to research what is essentially the modern civil rights movement?", "A lot of people assume the \"woke mob\" is a right wing fantasy/projection. Then when they find themselves a target for this mob it becomes abundanty clear that something has gone terribly wrong...", "Of course, but ultimately it doesn't matter what I think unless I'm in a position of power, which I'm not.\n\nHe is, and he's using it in a way that many people find problematic, they are absolutely right to call that out.", "How is this oppression? Oppression would say trans people are not allowed to play sports. It's equality and common sense to seperate men from women due to natural physical differences. If you don't understand that, you have no concept of biology nor respect for human tradition since the dawn of time.", "The truth doesn't need an edit.", ">There was no joke there. It was literally a laugh based off imagining trans people's genitals. That was the laugh. There wasn't a joke.\n\nI don't think you understand what a joke is.", "You seem to be holding some conflicting views and you seem confused.", "That's not how it works at all... You know women are 51% of the population right? Does that mean men are marginalized? retarded.", "But you are in a position of power. You have family and friend that listen and respect you. Just because it’s only a few doesn’t mean it isn’t significant enough to ignore.\n\nBut that is besides the point really. The people with “ real power” are writing headlines and creating this controversy and they have bias and prejudice just like Dave and you and I.", "Honestly I don’t really have an opinion on if he should or shouldn’t have spoken differently. Im just tired of his act. His last three specials have just been this.", "No, I understand perfectly. It amazes me how you can be so smug yet so dull.", "He also said being trans is like doing blackface. I don’t care if you agree with this idea. But he very clearly believes it and it’s as basic transphobic as you can get. Surely you can admit that?", "I don't disagree with you on that. This was probably my least favorite special of his and I say that as someone who saw him live and have never laughed harder in my life. Literally had me in tears. He's choosing this.\n\nThe only explanation I can think of is that he's genuinely really really mad that his friend died while defending him.", "I'm not arguing that the outrage is why this special is an issue. The outrage is irrelevant, this is my point. The joke on it's own, IMO, is transphobic. You show me that joke on it's own, ansd I'll tell you it's transphobic because it is. The fact that people at Netflix are protesting doesn't make the joke more transphobic then it was pre-protest. Whether or not he made a racist joke as well is not relevant to the point of whether a trans joke is transphobic or not, all you're doing is fogging the issue up by trying to invalidate someones concern because their wasn't an equal or greater concern when another joke was said. That doesn't change the issue at hand, it just clouds the conversation because you need a certain bar of outrage to be met.", "Suit yourself, watching it and reading it back it's pretty clear it's all part of the same joke. Setup and punchline.", "It is preventing a subset of people from doing something unjustly. Hormone blockers exist.", "> His next joke did that, this one didn't.\n\nYes, it did. \"They're not real\" isn't the laugh, it's the fact that he doesn't say it and everyone knows because, generally, it's what everyone thinks.\n\n> I get that you don't want to admit it's transphobic, but if someone tells you something is transphobic, and many people have clearly done that seeing by the outrage from it.\n\nI don't care if it's \"transphobic\" as that word, that suffix even, has very little meaning to me in today's society due to major overuse and abuse. There's also the fact that I don't let a joke being mean spirited necessarily affect my enjoyment of it. Nasty humour can be the funniest.\n\n> You don't get to decide how someone else receives the joke, and that's the flaw in telling intentionally vague jokes that require essentially large pauses for the punchline.\n\nIt's entirely up to you how you receive the joke, I'm just telling one in this one specific example you obviously didn't even get the joke, not least due to explicitly (wrongly) saying the bit had no joke, but then changing tack (wrongly) to the joke being \"trans genitals are gross\".", "> you don't deem comments to be intrinsically offensive until others tell you they are.\n\nI'd argue one joke in this special is inherently obviously transphobic, but too many people have transphobic tendancies or don't see it in general to notice. He laugh at trans peoples genitals. That was the whole punchline. There genitals. That is blatantly transphobic, and just because you may not have the empathy to see it doesn't change the fact that the reality of a protest being needed at all for people to see that joke as transphobic is sad as hell to be honest.", "Agreed. He was always my favourite but all his work now just seems to be talking about people that dislike him. Like you’re a very famous comedian people are gonna come at you. \n\nReminds me of how people talk about Lenny Bruce’s later shows where he would just read his police rap sheet for an hour. I bet that sucked to sit through.", "You can’t make fun of black people as a non-black person = they have more power in this context", "Comparing my power to that of Netflix and a hugely popular comedian doesn't seem reasonable.\n\nThat doesn't mean I shouldn't question what I say to people that I influence, I do. I also get pushback when people find it disagreeable and consider that too. You obviously can't always please everyone. \n\nThe money aspect of this does make me more cynical though, I'm not usually trying to be provocative or controversial around the people I influence, and it wouldn't make me money if I was.", "That’s not the point. The point is he a person sitting in a position of privilege as a member of a majority group that has traditionally oppressed those in the corresponding minority position who is joking about that oppression. Dave is straight. He is part of that community whether he likes it, supports it’s current or past actions, or not.\n\nImagine Larry the Cable Guy making a big part of his show about how he thinks that blacks are disgusting and makes fun of blacks who complain about racism. It’s the same thing—it’s just more acceptable right now to go after the trans community because they are smaller and less accepted.", "The rest of the bit doesn't make it any better.\n\nEdit: as in, the context doesn't change the meaning.", "He is saying there isn't a line. \n\nYou are of course allowed to be angry that he crossed your \"perceived\" line.", "Yeah I'm hoping he was telling the truth at the end of the special when he said he was \"done\" joking about this topic.\n\nI do genuinely believe he's maybe the funniest/best standup of all time (maybe that I've ever seen, though I always loved Carlin too) when he WANTS to be.\n\nHe should be happy for himself. He made it, he did the thing, he got his 50 million.", "When people say we haven't made any progress, I'll show them this.", "A lot of people don't realize that this style of comedy is akin to calling yourself a supremacist, then saying its okay because you have a black friend.\n\nThe fact that he started the special stating he was TERF, and then by the end of it he said that he understands them is inherently undermining.\n\nI think a lot of the counter-complainers are omitting this under the guise of shitting on cancel culture(which the meme is that trans are the face of) and For the sake of defending him, which is cringe fanboy shit. A little suspicious if you ask me. Ignorance is next to oppression.", "It amazes me you don’t see the conflict. I don’t think we will find common ground.", "Carlin doesn't' miss even from the grave.", "The joke was transphobic, that's all it was. It was a \"lets laugh at these people\" line. That's definitely a joke to some people, but to me if you laughed at that specific line.. you're transphobic. The rest of his special I don't think was that bad, and I've said so to other commenters. But if you laughed at that line with no issues at all, IMO, you need to do a little but of self reflection if you don't believe you're transphobic. That's the crux of my point, and a lot of people on reddit won't like that, but it's true.", "There is no conflict. Point out what you think is conflicting.", "He may have been done joking about it but he’s not done talking about it. He had a five minute viral bit about it yesterday. Just no jokes.", "You are subjectively dissecting a joke, in the middle of a stand-up special, and trying to pass it off as an objective truth.\n\nHis special honestly made me kind of uncomfortable. It made me question some of his jokes I enjoyed in the past. But shit like this is why I roll my eyes when I read these headlines about Dave Chappelle. There are genuine critiques to be made about him and his special, but people like you are overwhelmingly jumping on an outrage bandwagon just because that’s the thing to do today.", "So if i make a joke about white people i'm racist? Again, you don't seem to understand what a joke is.", "Holy shit you really are that stupid.", "By your argument, I as a white Male should hate Dave Chappelle for how often he makes fun of people like me. Why isn't that controversial? Because its universally accepted that it's fine to be racist towards white people? Maybe I should be offended by his stereotypical white characters.\n\nSee how ridiculous the argument sounds when you put it like that? The reality of the situation is that professional comics make fun of people for a living. You laugh at the white people, you laugh at the black people, you laugh at the women. But the moment transgenders are brought up is when its suddenly not okay to laugh. Everybody goes through crazy circumstances and it's nice to be able to have a laugh about it, and anyone who thinks there isn't some things that are funny about transgenders is lying to themselves. Because theres something absurdly funny about every demographic.\n\nIf you want equality then accept the reality of equality, which means people get to make fun of you too, no one gets a pedestal", "You don't seem to understand what transphobia is.", "You seem to want to label people as things that they aren't because you're offended by something. Check yourself.", "The same way calling Asian people \"slitty eyed\" shouldn't be offensive because they generally have narrower eyes?\n\nThese things are meant to be demeaning.", "Did he mean to make these jokes? Yes, absolutely, they were part of his set and the fact those jokes got laughs reinforces why they were in the set. What he didn't do was use that to make a negative point about the trans community, which is why you and the rest of the cherry pickers here who are deciding what words someone can use is so obnoxious. \n\nThe entire part of this set, was about the human experience. How we connect with each other, and how one persons interpretation of what he says doesn't line up with someone else's reality. The whole bit about being a \"TERF\" had more to do with the inconsistencies he saw (Like Caitlyn being named woman of the year) than anything related to real hatred. Hes mocking you by using the term, because of the definition you gave it, and he can hear the same words and say well what about this.\n\nAnd this is the heart of the issue, is Dave allowed to make real observations he sees? That is why I watched the show, and I don't want you and a bunch of other people who may not have even seen the show telling me that this content isn't suitable.\n\nHere is my last point, how many trans people have you actually spoken to? How many times have you hung out at the LGBT center and actually gotten to know some trans people? If you do, you might find out that not all of them agree with everything within the community, and everyone has their own personalities and likes and dislikes too. There are going to be some people, and it sounds like Daphne was one of these, who will wanna be on the inside of something they weren't included in, and Dave offered that to her. That's real powerful stuff also, and to me means more than using all the right words, especially when his job is not to use the right words, but the funny ones.", "It was a terrible joke. You make what I'm doing deeper then it is. I like to rant and debate, so I do. But that doesn't change my gut reaction when I heard the joke. It was terrible. Why can't I say that? \n\nI just don't see the humour in laughing at another person's genitals. Anytime I hear a comedian make a trans joke and it's just \"their genitals are gross\" I just think back to the comedians from 30-40 years ago who would get laughs saying gay people are gross. It's just bad to me. I don't need to dissect the joke to know that. I do it now on Reddit because so many people are rooted in their transphobia that they don't even see what's wrong with the joke in the first place. So I feel like I Have to explain it to some people on here, but me explaining it now doesn't change the guy reaction I had when I heard it.", "You're listing off entire categories of jokes you think \"shouldn't be OK either\". You might just be a sourpuss.", "seriously one of the biggest problems, at least in the US, is that the majority of the public lack basic comprehension skills. Most of these people can barely keep up with TV shows with multiple characters. If you have a message like this that is nuanced, laced with jokes but yet still has an over-arching message that isn't just spelled out to people the majority are not going to get it. For these people it boils down to \"Haha he made a funny at people different than me\"; The rest is beyond their capabilities. That is not DC's fault. \n\nUnfortunately, this is effecting far more of everyday life than just a comedian and why the US is on a sharp decline.", "George Carlin and Dave Chappelle are the best comedians that ever lived. Geniuses.", "If someone says something \"should not be joked about\" it absolutely should be joked about. No person, no group, is exempt.", "He is challenging us from insulating our views to criticism. \n\nHis method of criticism is comedy. \n\nHe is actually doing way more to subversively sway people to a deeper understanding of human rights that recognizes Trans as nothing more then another human having a human experience that isn't a threat to anyone and should be respected as such.\n\nHe is also challenging those who aren't hearing that and blindly trying to stop the dialogue, and calling it how it is, bullying.\n\nIf their is any real controversy it is that he said gender is a fact and that a womb is a womb. He also followed with Trans women are women. \n\nI'm not surprised people are confused but if people supposedly speaking on behalf of the Trans community or protesting on their behalf can't address the confusion then everyone else is forced to address it.\n\nIf you don't understand the difference between your gender identity and your gender then it's hard to demand others to understand.", "Well said, it's getting tiring that people don't get nuance and just want to be outraged. Comedy shouldn't have to be dumbed down to avoid offending people who don't get it or won't actually listen to the source material", "All I know is people are butthurt about everything and need to lighten up. Not one group in this world is exempt from being made fun of.", "You wouldnt believe what other comics are saying. Its weird that this is what gets attention. There is so much worse and less funnier and more offensive than this out there. Go get em.", "Then your trans friends paid no attention or actually didn't watch the specials. Fake outrage.", "You don't even know what a Boomer is if you think Chappelle is one. Get a clue.", "Did you just learn that trans people are diverse? That seems to be why you would excuse blatant and shitty takes by him on this subject.\n\nIt's like saying black conservatives didn't feel part of the black community, that exists, but it doesn't mean blatantly racist or transphobic jokes are acceptable.", "> cancel culture is getting out of control\n\nCould you elaborate, please?", "So he was also punching down as they say. He's a hypocrite then.", "Trans people exist - but trans women are just men is a conflict.\n\nI understand what you are trying to say and I dont disagree biology exists. It’s just a matter of how much it matters. Looking at this issue through the lens of biological essentialism is far too limited. Hormone blockers exist. If a trans girl has effectively halted their puberty they are not a man. \n\nAnd of course we have your original assertion that nobody oppresses trans people which is just laughable anyway.", "Nonsense.", "This sums up one of chappelles points nicely, why is this one group the only group that is off limits, no matter what you are saying about them? He only seems to have an issue with their hostile overreactions to ANYTHING that gets said about them. They will even tear down one of their own if they don't 110% agree with the groups unwavering stance on everything.", "I think you're being blinded by your own hatred right now and not looking at this objectively. Dave's latest specials have been him preaching about an important topic in our society with jokes mixed in between to lighten the mood and decrease tension. There are plenty of worse things he has compared people to than your statement and that's why people think this outrage isn't warranted. If you go through his specials and take any joke out of context you could call him all kinds of things. \n\nHes racist because he played a blind black man who thinks hes white and hates other black men. Hes a misogynist because he made a joke about kicking a woman in the pussy. Etc etc, but the moment he makes a transgender joke people lose their minds over it. It's the point he's trying to make throughout this entire special and it's being completely missed by all of the people criticizing him for it.", "And thats Daves point. No one listens. They get outraged without the full context of what he said. Most of these people whining probably didn't watch any of his specials, oh but they have an opinion I'm sure.", "You CAN say that, but there are people in the comments saying that, to them, the line was a setup for a much funnier punchline afterwards, and you are ignoring that and telling them they're wrong, because of \\your\\ opinions. It's an opinion. Get off your high horse. Just because a joke is made about a controversial topic doesn't automatically make it problematic, and even if a joke is problematic it doesn't disqualify it from being funny.\n\nLike I said, that special made me pretty uncomfortable at times, and there were a lot of things I disagree with. I still laughed my ass off at the \"beyond pussy\" line, and you've just 'decided' that because it wasn't funny to you it can't have been funny to anyone. So you have to \"explain it to some people on here\".", "No, they are still a man. You cannot block that out. Don't pretend that hormone blockers suddenly change a person to the opposite sex. That is incredibly disingenuous. Why not just play sport against other men if they need to play sport so badly. Or play with other transsexuals. \nWho is oppressing transsexuals and how? Specifically.", "> No, you made the point that there's some kind of hierarchical of minorities that Chappell stepped beyond that's the issue. That he \"punched down\".\n\nI actually made the opposite point, I'm against debating the status. I never understood this in general and made the point that Dave did this in his own special when he argued in a joke, that a white trans person didn't experience the same struggles black people did. HE DID THAT. And I didn't understand petty fogging minority group issues to try and find which one is superior in their struggles. \n\nYou seem to think I'm for that, when I'm simply explaining what he did and trying to arguing against it. You seem to think I'm for that, when I'm not. \n\n> I'm telling if that if exception to the joke was because Chappell \"punched down\"\n\nThat's not why the jokes bad, it's bad because it's a bad joke. Giving people a pause so they can laugh at trans people's genitals isn't a joke. People are just so conditioned in their transphobia that they don't see why it's wrong. He said jokes after, and before, but that moment wasn't a joke. It was a window to be transphobic and laugh at another group of people for something they can't control. It was cruel. \n\n> You value the suffering and lived of opinions of trans people more than starving Africans.\n\nWhen did I say that? I'm saying both issues are important, but doing what you're doing by bringing up someone elses issue to downplay the current topic isn't fair either. I'm just calling you out for that. This happens way too often on here where a topic is being discussed, and someone comes in asking why \"you're not bringing the same energy to x issue\". \n\nI absolutely would, however, that's not the topic at hand. If you'd like to have a whole seperate conversation about that, fine. DM me and we can. But my point stands about this transphobic joke, and all you did bringing up starving Africans was downplay the concern. I'm calling you out for that tactic you displayed just not of attempting to downplay a concern through whatboutism, which is exactly what you did even if you deny doing it.", "Ugh, how boring would life become if we all couldn't laugh at a big black dick coming right at you.", "I think what’s interesting and important to remember is there are people making equally amount of money being provocative in the other direction. Creating outrage either by Dave or the media is very lucrative. \n\nI think we both have good points. But it seems the people who care the most are the ones making no money. Lol.", ">Did you just learn that trans people are diverse? \n\nPretty interesting way for you to side step the fact you probably don't know a single trans person when I asked.\n\nAlso, as I pointed out, the jokes aren't blatantly trans-phobic, that is your opinion of them, but not even necessarily a trans persons, and certainly not what the viewing audience felt about it. If a trans person loves what Dave does, you aren't doing them any favors by suppressing it.", "First off conservatism isn't just the boogeyman word for a republican, its about upholding traditional values.\n\nYour assumption is that what women are all a \"Group\" and that how it currently is is are is what women are always suppose to be.\n\nYou're not looking at it correctly and that's why people think she's transphobic and conservative about the fact.\n\nThe assumption is you're not your gender, you're what your society has built around you. What you think a woman is, is just what your ancestors have taught you. She rejects the idea that trans people can become women because it devalues what society has built a woman to be.\n\nTERF's want whatever you were born with between your legs to determine your value to their traditional standards. Like making your achievement's comparisons exclusive to your gender.\n\nTheir worry about \"women\" disappearing could be valid, but how is that any different than a worrying that eventually everyone is going to be brown?\n\nWhen reality \"Progressivism\" is there to tell you that how you look you don't have to chose what you are. And that its all temporary concepts to begin with. Its more about protecting women than being a TERF could possibly be about.\n\nYou're not being forced to chose who you are by how you were born, and you don't need to identify as any group other than the one you want to identify with.\n\nAnd i say this as a blonde haired blue eyes 6'1 cis German white male. You need to want to understand before you can actually comprehend it.", "Eh, kinda, scrolling through this thread it looks like people are stuck in the same conversation and just going in circles.", "You are aware I'm not pointing out most of his special right? Most of his trans joke I was OK with, but I also able to discuss the one that I believe crossed a line. You get that right? Comedians aren't gods, they can screw up, or mess up, or tell a bad joke.", "The 'joke\" he made wasn't to lift tension, it was a dividing line between respect and bigotry. \n\nMany of his other jokes may have pushed boundaries, I just don't feel the intent of those jokes will have been the same as with this situation, which is why he is being criticized.", "And yet those people are a minority faction in American politics and the entertainment industry is among the most liberal and secular people in America. So he had no problem \"punching down,\" if you will.", "Has anyone ever seen Tosh.0?", "Punching down is mocking the disadvantaged and persecuted classes instead of the privileged and empowered.", "Why is the situation different? Chappelle has been pushing on the boundaries his entire career. Why is it now suddenly not okay to do so?", "My mistake. Good luck.", "> The whole specials was him saying \"there are good ones and bad ones\"\n\nMeanwhile he's being a \"bad one\" by being transphobic... which is the issue. \n\nNo one takes issue with that message, which is why every article on the topic specifies what he said that people are taking issue with. \n\nDefending JK Rowling, Defending DaBaby, supporting terfs, equating reproductive function with gender, and saying \"gender is a fact\" in relation to that reproductive function. \n\nThis is all deeply rooted in transphobia and perpetuates it and it's consistently what people have expressed grievance with, so why is it always glossed over? \n\nNo one \"missed his message\" it's just not being talked about because it's not controversial. No one disagrees with it, they disagree with the transphobic statements he made.", "I don’t think you do. Making fun of a group doesn’t make you -phobic. If I make fun of how a group acts doesn’t mean I hate them or have a phobia of them. You are part of the group that likes to redefine words to fit your needs.\n\nI’m white, I laughed my ass off on Dave’s white jokes. Does that make me racist against myself? Or do you think I just have a sense of humor", "Interesting psychology. There are plenty of trans people that would laugh out loud at that joke, the same way I could laugh at myself if someone were to make fun of how pale or skinny I am. It's the people that take deep offense that might have some sorting out to do.", "The amount of trans people I know are beside the point. It's not a \"I have black friends argument\", I'm not trans so I can't speak for my friends and I won't pretend to.\n\nThe trans community, in large, has come out against Chapelle here, you seem to be ignoring that.", "You dont seem to either, because everyone who doesnt 100% agree with you, you are calling transphobic. I would claim most of us here are pro trans, just against cancel culture. We cant sit here and take a blue pill and pretend like the movement isnt getting out of control and being hostile towards even people who are advocates. I advocate for trans people, I also watched chappelles special and love it, I am almost agree with every single thing he said. I had no issues with anything he said about trans people. Kicking me out of the pro trans club would be fucking stupid, just because I am not outraged for no conceivable reason. All these weeks later, here you are bringing up the same nonsense just to tend to every single comment in this thread and tell people they are wrong, even people who support trans people. You are outta control and I do not support your message or a single one of your arguments. I cant put my stamp of approval on anything you have said, yet I am not transphobic and I support people who are trans just fine, I dont need anyone to tell me the right way to do it, and if I am not allowed in the club because I agree with Chappelle then its not a club I care to be in anyway, because I am not a fucking idiot.", "His arguments and jokes weren't always outdated, lazy and unreasonably alienating an oppressed community he doesn't belong to.", "Wow, that was really bad. I really like a lot of standup, but I had a hard time finding where the jokes even were in there. It's literally just being an asshole. It's one thing if it's offensive but funny, but this was literally just \"lol gay people butt sex\"", "> \"beyond pussy\"\n\nBut this is my point, this was a written joke that I can say was actually a joke. My point was, the fact that he didn't lead with that line and instead gave his audience a window to laugh at trans genitals is transphobic to me. \n\nAnd it more then anything made me super uncomfortable with how many people in that audience laughed before he even delivered the punchline. The though of their genitals was funny. That's just f-d up to me, if I'm being honest.", "You can make any jokes you like, as you can say anything you like, that is your right. But people can not like them, and feel offended by them, and tell you that, and be angry, since it's their right.\n\nThe way comedians make any kind of jokes without incurring anger and discontent is trying to punch up (make jokes on people that are better off than the average) or make jokes on themselves.", "Ignorance is a major contributor to oppression. But I have the feeling that he's been off his rocker for a little while now.", "It was not. \n\nHe told the story of one transgender friend and it was relevant to his last special that caused controversy. \n\nHis explanation of his opinions and growth are much more sophisticated than that type of argument.", "He wasn't comparing himself to J.K. Rowling. He said he agreed with her and didn't like what happened to her because of the comment she made that he agreed with.", "Progress isn't perfect, but to deny it exists denies what people argued and fought for. \n\nThat achievement means that those sort of performances largely stopped happening. The nature of free speech means they will never stop completely, but let's appreciate that we have made that shit the domain of edgy kids on Xbox Live.", "Sadly there’s people praising him and telling god to bless him. Much progress but many still\nStuck in the past.", "I, and Carlin, would disagree.", "> Making fun of a group doesn’t make you -phobic.\n\nRight, which is why I wouldn't say anyone was transphobic who laughed at 99% of what Dave said in his special about trans people. There's a reason I'm specifically calling out that one joke, and the laugh it got.", "No, he paused for tension to build before dropping the punchline. Come on dude, you are purposefully obfuscating in order to prove your own point. The trans agenda has far larger enemies than Dave.", "He said that with her viewpoints, he is also a TERF. That's literally directly comparing himself.\n\nA lot of people think she got what she deserved, so that's already dipping his spoon in the controversy soup. It means either he didn't read into it enough to be qualified to joke about it, or he has no actual idea what he is talking about.\n\nBut you cant start your skit with saying you have the mindset of a traditionalist, and then say its okay because you sympathies with a friend who died suffering from the hand of people with the same mindset.", "Right? Like the lgbtq+ is the axis powers or something", "Holy shit he's a comedian making jokes. If they're bad to you, then thats that. God you people read into this shit more than it needs", "Look man, if you went through the special and didnt make a judgement after the first \"poor taste\" joke then you would be able to understand the nuances of the special and how he's preaching for equality. It doesn't matter how accurate his jokes are, they are jokes, in most cases comedians purposely stretch the truth because it's funny to do so. After watching his special I felt that he actually cared for the transgender community because they have similarities with the civil rights movement, just like hompsexuals did as well. You'd have to be blinded by hatred to not see that", "Gross", "Most people probably hadn't seen it, care about it or care about trans people. Just another thing to latch onto because they are bored and want to feel good without doing anything.", "Who are you to decide that joke wasn't funnier in that order? From my perspective, that line was bait. It was meant to be uncomfortable and blunt, and to make the twist where he delivers the punchline that much more effective. I'm willing to accept the opinion that it might not have been, or that you even didn't like the joke at all. But it's still just an opinion, and you're still trying to convince me that I'm wrong. I'm not trying to convince \\you\\ you're wrong, I'm telling you that you need to gain some perspective on how many other opinions there are, and that yours isn't somehow more valid than theirs.\n\nBut sure, your opinion is more valid. Keep explaining to me how his joke, delivered in the middle of a comedy special, with a punchline to follow it up, was actually not a joke and completely serious, and you know this for 100% sure because you are...?", "Conservatives and Christians are still the majority or near majority. So, no.", "Which I think is the more fair criticism of Dave in this instance, as its not that he doesn't have a point. Yet at the same time Dave uses his \"Blackness\" in much the same way as he criticizes other groups for.\n\nHe even seems rather cognizant of this point but justifies it on the basis that essentially they can hide/reveal who they are when it will benefits them most where as people of a racial minority often can't.\n\nThe issue is that people often conflate \"not making fun of a group\" with \"Not making fun of ANYONE from that group, for whatever reason.\" Which is both the point Dave makes but also is a hypocrisy he is guilty of.", "Here is the thing though. If you were out at a bar and met someone and went home with them and they turned out to be trans and you had no idea...would it be the same to you? Seriously would it?\n\nFor the vast majority of people the answer is no. So he is just pointing out that there is a difference, and people are being asked to say there is no difference. You can call that transphobia if you would like. Maybe it is. But it does also seem to me that there is a legitimate difference, and I don't know how to square that circle.\n\nTo be clear: If someone is trans I really don't care. That is fine and that is who they are. I am not going to judge them, and how who they are is fine with me. But it does seem that it is not really reasonable to expect that I feel they are the 'exact same' because....they are not?", "> No, he paused for tension to build before dropping the punchline.\n\nI'm sorry man, I just disagree. \"You know what I mean\" and his facial expression was the punchline. \n\nit's fine that we disagree, no worries.", "Oh Mr. Carlin. A philosopher in comedian's clothing. Fucking icon.", "And you’re redefining the word of transphobic to fit what you want it to fit if you believe this. There is nothing transphobic about that joke. He is making a point that you can accept people for what they are but understand that there is a difference. \n\n“I’m not saying trans women aren’t women”\n\nHe is fully accepting who they are and fully accepting what they choose to be called.\n\n“But those pussies between their legs… you know what I mean? That’s like beyond pussy, it’s not quit pussy (or however he said it)”\n\nThat’s a joke making fun of the difference between a trans women and someone born a woman. There is nothing transphobic about that.\n\nIf that’s lost on you then you are a part of the problem that Dave Chappell is bringing up.", "Rowling has literally compared transitional healthcare to gay conversion therapy. \n\nShe blocked Stephen King because he said \"trans women are women\". She is fundamentally transphobic.", "You forgot the illuminati.", "I don't think this applies well to the Dave Chappelle situation at all.", "Did you even watch the clip at the top of this thread?", "Denying the gender of trans people is transphobic. I paid plenty attention to the specials.", "Yeah, no anger here friend. It’s just, the way I see it, is Dave is a master of his craft. He is literally the best at what he does in regards to his craft. I just think it is obtuse to believe that he added that addendum because the joke initially bombed.", "> Try to cancel someone from that group and prove me wrong. \n\nThe person who organized a walkout at Netflix just got fired from there. So there goes that argument.\n\n> Who is the underdog? One comedian or an entire group of people and their white knights. \n\nYeah, the multimillionaire comedian with several Netflix specials and a whole army of fans is the underdog. Suure.", "Yes, he said that. But as I brought up, he addresses the entire LGBTQ community in his complaints, several times. And then used his specific situations to complain about the whole community.", ">white conservative Christians\n\nSo Carlin was punching down on the mentally ill?", "Well...yeah, isn't it? I've only ever watched half way through but I'll get to the end eventually.", "> It was meant to be uncomfortable and blunt, and to make the twist where he delivers the punchline that much more effective.\n\nIt's not a twist when the punchline further illustrates the point he's making. Again, I'm not arguing whether the line worked or got a laugh, it clearly did. My argument is the joke at it's core is transphobic and a lot of people responding to me have trouble accepting that. \n\n> But sure, your opinion is more valid. \n\nNever said it was, I'm just sharing my opinion, you choose to receive that however you wish. \n\n> was actually not a joke and completely serious, and you know this for 100% sure because you are...?\n\nI never said it wasn't a joke lol I said it was transphobic. That's not denying the it's a joke, or that it worked. You're reading far too much into what I'm saying.", "The trans community has been able to get a lot of special privileges, especially in the corporate world, so for all the complaints I don’t think it’s punching down.\n\nOne vendor I work with has 30k employees and maybe 3 of them are trans. They remodeled all of the bathrooms at a massive cost just to please them. Ripped out all the urinals, made everything neutral, etc. Then they made a huge fuss about pronouns and forced training on people so no one accidentally says “HE” to the “Woman” that very much looks like a burly man in a wig. They probably have a thousand gay employees who never got this much attention.\n\nInstead of creating the inclusion they hoped for, it generated a ton of resentment. People who have no problem with their gay coworkers are now like fuck that “woman”. I’m not tiptoeing around here for one snowflake.", "It certainly makes it more clever, whether or not you believe the joke to be funny. If you want to call it \"not funny\", feel free, but it just further illustrates the subjectivity of comedy.", "Little boy blue.. he needed the money ohhhh!", "What's actually funny is if you watch and listen to the interview, which I'm guessing like most of Reddit most people in this thread will not, but if you did you would see what George Carlin is talking about has absolutely f*** to do with Dave's situation.", "Oh? Who is the real underdog then?", "Had me in the first half, not gonna lie!", "He was not comparing his experience with criticism from the Trans community to Rowling. \n\nHe was showing her support. That's not a comparison.", "> is Dave is a master of his craft.\n\nI know, but my point is acknowledging this fact. I'm not denying the joke is a joke, or that it was a two part joke with a later punchline. I'm not denying the jokes construction. \n\nBut I personally believe that joke was transphobic, and why I believe that is because of that first laugh that he got when he mentioned their genitals. It just made me wince a little, didn't feel funny when he hit the pause, and the crowd laughed. It just felt transphobic lol I don't have any other way to explain it, it just did. \n\n> because the joke initially bombed.\n\nI actually never said it bombed, the fact that he got a laugh in that pause made me super uncomfortable and in my opinion, showcased a little bit of the transphobia in the audience. But again, this is all just my opinion. \n\nI think because I'm assertive in my beliefs and points, a lot of people responding to me seem to think I'm saying a fact, I'm saying my opinion this entire time.", "He’s talking about the same kind of thing. Learn extrapolation.", ">I bet they didn't watch the special\n\n.\n\n>I am not going to reply to all 8 fucking parts,\n\nok\n\n>but you are absolutely phrasing these as one way arguments without actually representing his actual points.\n\nyes, I did. Are there any points that he brought up that wasn't in my comments? Name them. \n\n>You can side step this, come up with something to dismiss it, or you can head on answer this question, What the fuck is wrong with us, that literal murder means less than hurting a persons feelings?\n\nYou're just summarizing Chappelle's original points, which I addressed , directly. Are you able to respond the contents to my response, without just reiterating Chappelle's point?", "See, you’re doing it again. You’ve decided that because YOU think it’s transphobic, it IS transphobic, and that people have “trouble accepting that”. \n\nThe special had a lot of questionable material, but just because a specific joke hurt your feelings in particular doesn’t mean it’s problematic.\n\nI’m done arguing with you. You’re ignoring my point and I don’t really want to spend more time talking to someone who thinks their opinion is more valid than other people’s.", "So basically If there is a majority you can punch down on them? Fuck white people huh? But what about Asians? There are more of them than white conservative Christians? Oh, it's about wealth well what about the half of American billionaires that are Jewish? Can we make fun of jews now? So either you are a hypocrite or just unfunny.", "My god. Watching this was so hard but reading the comments was even harder... Even for the time this is awful.", "Great context and specific references you made here. Oh, wait…", "Dice played a character on stage. This was the act he would say the most offensive thing he could think of in a crude locker room humour way. It was a play on the insult comedian like Don Rickles or the tv character Archie Bunker. This was the way to shine a light on these view and maybe start a rational discussion about what was said or even bring attention that there are people that think similar.\n\nIt’s much scarier today when it’s being censored.", "He’s talking about Andrew dice clay. Don’t know how you compare his comments about clay to Chappelle.", "He is talking about Andrew \"Dice\" Clay", "Who exactly is Chappelle \"picking on\"? He said clearly that he is not transphobic, and he does not support anti-trans laws. They don't like him because he made the correct observation that a biological woman is required for procreation. That's not picking on anyone, it's just facts.", "Careful now, Chapelle is Reddit's idol.", "It’s kind of related to colleges not allowing as diverse opinions as they used to. I was glad to meet all kinds of people, different backgrounds and views, but now people aren’t allowed to speak at campuses because they don’t go with this hive mind. We need to come together more, and you can’t do that unless you’re talking together in the same room.", "> He said 'Trans people make up words to win arguments'.\n\nThat was a fantastic joke in my opinion. It's not that the words are new or being made up. But that in the last decade we've had a culture shift to include trans-rights that a lot of the vocabulary around the issue is becoming known to the general public.\n\nTransgender, Cisgender, Gender Dysphoria, non-binary, TERF, AFAB/AMAB, heteronormativity... the list is deep. And I didn't know what most meant a decade ago. As we learn all these new words it does 'feel' like words are being made up.", "Ironically you're doing that. \n\nI'm stating my opinion, but because I'm assertive and defend my beliefs, your acting like I'm stating a universal fact, when in fact I'm just saying my opinion but being assertive about it. \"and that people have “trouble accepting that” is also, funny enough, an opinion that you seem to be reading as a fact. \n\nI believe it's transphobic. That's it. I'm not saying some fact of the universe there. I'm saying it's transphobic. Me. Not transcribing a fact on you. \n\nIf you read that line and get mad at me, that's on you. Maybe you're not arguing why it isn't transphobic well enough for me to change my mind. That's on you, argue the point instead of arguing the construction of a joke which was never my point in the first place. I'm just stating my opinion, that the joke is transphobic, and I'm sorry me being assertive about that is frustrating, but I'm not going to soften my stance just because you get offended by that.", "I loved George Carlin but I disagree with the equivalency you made. Dave Chappelle is not picking on anyone (except the tiki torch whites), it's actually the reverse. Go watch Andrew Dice Clay and you'll see what George is talking about.", "He said literally he agrees with rowling, and that he is also a TERF. that's how the part that people don't like starts.\n \nEven is not, Support for what though? Getting canceled for supporting an idea and a group, that is actively trying to do the same thing that his now dead friend suffered from? That he proceeds to shit on for 15min.", ">He literally does ALL the time.\n\nHis focus of the nearly entire special is that community. But that's not even the point, his whole logic of attacking the LGBGTQ community as a means of attacking white people is flawed. \n\n>Your 8 part rant is a part of trying to silence people who don't agree to every part of your argument, reinforces what Dave is saying is correct. \n\nDo you not realize you're the one who is trying to silence people? Why are you are so hell bend on preventing people from expressing what they see and hear? And for what? To spare the feelings of a millionaire celebrity who a huge platform, who will not even see this?\n\nSeriously, what is the logic than I am silencing people? Does my writing the specific content of Chappelle's content. somehow create a law preventing you from posting on reddit? \n\nThere is a pattern all over reddit where his critics can discuss the content and context of his specials, but his defenders can only reply with 'why are you trying to silence me', 'you didn't watch the special', 'oh yeah??'\n\nIf you are unable to defend the context and content of the special, that's on you, not me. I am not going to feel guilt for their inability to articulate their stances. \n\nNo, you will not silence people from expressing what they see or hear.", "Both did like to censor speech...", "Yeah, man. I thought the same thing. Terrible comedy.\n\nYou can get by with being a little offensive, if it's also pretty funny. But that was over-the-top offensive, and not even funny at all. Just awful.", "That is quite literally what \"punching down\" means: To make fun of those weaker than you. As in: Minorities. \n\nAnd yes, you can make fun of white people because that is, indeed, not punching down. Welcome to the majority, I guess.\n\nAnd no, Asian people are, indeed, a minority in the US.", "He made fun of all of society in his later career. You just want to take him out of context to co-opt his words for your own agenda.", "Here we fuckin go with the oppression olympics", "I thought Dave Chapelle almost had a good point then completely bungled it and then called himself a terf. He made the point that killing a black man isn't has harmful to your career as making FUN someone who is lgbt. And instead of lifting the lives of black men he tried to lower the lives of lgbt. Thats where he failed in his point and his joke.", "I mean George did make gay jokes, tho it was usually targeted to priests and the church lol", "Go tell that to the goons over at [/r/LeopardsAteMyFace](https://www.reddit.com/r/LeopardsAteMyFace/comments/qg7ukt/from_cancel_me_i_dare_you_to_well_shit/) \n\nBunch of children anymore I swear to God.", "I don’t think he is conflating white people with transgendered. I think he is implying that if you are a visible minority AND trans, the trans “issue” is probably much more complicated, more impactful on your life. Trans jokes and racial jokes might both be wrong but if I had to guess, the trans ones strike more at the core of a person and are more likely to hurt. \n\nSo to that point, there isn’t much of a point of trying to talk about the two things simultaneously as they aren’t necessarily related. What’s funny is Dave kind of did comparative bigotry in this bit which he said you shouldn’t do in the past. Comparing the suffering of different groups rarely ends well and rarely serves a point, even if one side does have it worse.", "/r/iamatotalpieceofshit", "So it’s good to feed into the perception of inferiority - rather than treat people equally?", "When I think of Dave Chapelle, I think offensive comedy. He makes fun of white people, black people, asians, literally no one is safe from his bits. \n\nThat being said, is all this hub bub around him really just because he added LGBT to the mix?", "You can't be a TERF without being transphobic and bigoted though. Calling yourself that is telling us what you believe.", "I watched the special, I can't imagine you'd actually find it impossible for trans people to be offended. The guy was intentionally tossing in cold blooded jokes as he spoke about his greater message. You could hear and understand his message and still not appreciate the comments. \n\nThe guy compared being a trans female to a white person wearing blackface. Imagine being someone trying to find acceptance as a trans woman and someone telling you your efforts are like putting on black face to real women. \n\nNow I'm not saying you should be offended given the context in which this joke was told, but hell if I'm surprised some people are.", ">The person who organized a walkout at Netflix just got fired from there. So there goes that argument.\n\nActually, they weren't cancelled, at least not in the context you're using. They broke a company policy and got fired. Simple. So there goes THAT argument.\n\n> Yeah, the multimillionaire comedian with several Netflix specials and a whole army of fans is the underdog. Suure.\n\nDoes the LGBTQ+ community not have a massive army of fans?", "Yeah you missed the message.", "LMAO this guy doesn't know that LGBTQ+ and BLM are in charge. I think they are in talks with the poor and unprivileged to dominate the world.", "A back to back of this and the first 20 minutes of Delirious should do it", "How about I don't shut up because they aren't right.", "Everything has to be funny, or nothing is.", "> Does the LGBTQ+ community not have a massive army of fans?\n\nOf fans? Not that I know of, no.", "Agreed, and I think it's ok for people to criticize his set.", "So there exists no situation that a person can be wrong about how they feel? Never once? What a life you lead.\n\nStop white knighting, nobody even knows you're here. Empathy exists for a reason, and educating oneself can go a long way for adding perspective.", "Hickory dickory dock,", "He consistently calls women bitches, makes fun of white people and calls black people the N word. But, make a trans joke and you can fuck off and be cancelled. The logic is so dumb.", "Well Dave’s trans friend killed herself because your trans friends bullied her, so who the fuck wins the outrage battle?\n\nEdit: your downvotes prove the fucking point.", ">Yes he did when he specifically said \"I stand with the people who stood up at Stonewall\" and \"my problem isn't with LGBT people it's with white people\" \n\nYes, he said those things, but as I mentioned in my multiple examples, he addressed the entire community in his gripes, \n\n>He's saying there that those twitter activist's who he seems to blame for his friends suicide are seen as \"off limits\" to criticize because they're trans. \n\nNope, not twitter accounts. He blamed the entire trans community. Btw, that tweet got less than 10 replies. Read the rest of my parts, I go into this. \n\n>which is something I disagree with and it's ALSO something Dave clearly disagrees with judging by his jokes against bathroom bills\n\nYeah, my point is Dave should have been honest about why people are critiquing Rowling. What he did was disingenuous, he lied about the situation to make the LGTBQ community seem rabid.", "For your benefit, since you're still wrongly stating the joke was something it's not...\n\n>Gender is a fact, this is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on Earth had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on Earth. That is a fact. [laughter] Now… I am not saying that to say, that trans women aren’t women. I’m just sayin, that those pussies that they got… You know what I mean?\n\nThe pause is \"aren't pussies\". If you can't understand this even after seeing the setup in black and white, you have no room to be explaining anything to do with his special to other people.", "still black", "Oh, yeah. I misunderstood you, I’m sorry. I mean the audience is always gonna be a bunch of rubes, just like any larger than average group of people lol", "Everything you copied in doesn’t change how transphobic that joke sounds. Sorry man. Not denying the jokes existence or claiming it was badly structured. Just been saying this whole time it’s a transphobic joke, and everyone seems to think showing more of it changes that. It hasn’t yet.", "I like Dave Chappelle. I think for the most part he’s a funny guy. But the same people laughing hardest at his trans jokes are the same people calling him the N word behind his back.", "I'm not mad at your opinion I'm mad at your delivery. Maybe you should follow it up with some kind of punchline, like \"beyond opinions\" ;)", ">a minority in the US.\n\nSo I can go to African or Asian and make fun of those people over there? Cause you know I'm a minority now? Thanks for the tip.", "this pretty much sums it up\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEDIT: watch the vote brigading in real time lmao", "Who's being censored?", "Oh that’s fair, I like debating so I do get a little aggro when I have a stance I believe in lol", "People are free to speak this way, but everyone must realize that at the same time, people are free to write about them in social media, boycott shows, and businesses can pull support. People seem to want their cake and eat it too, but these all are the same thing. People just complain when it’s an opinion they agree with losing support. If that’s a problem then definitely don’t get into sports teams.", "ah so if you are an eloquent racist that has made progress its all ok.", "No I’m not - I’m saying Dave Chapelle DID", "I mean you can always try your luck and find out that different cultures have different cultural standards. Might be a worthwhile experience.", "Didn’t he say that the LGBT community was okay “except for the T’s” in his Sticks and Stone Netflix special? And then lament for a couple minutes on how annoying “the T’s” are? I feel like the guy is definitely punching down, whether he means to or not", "I'm not trying to save the joke from your judgement of transphobia, I don't care about that. I'm correcting you falsely stating that the joke is \"trans genitals are gross ew\". And highlighting the fact that you making such a glaring error on a really easy to understand joke means your judgement on everything regarding the subject is suspect and not reliable.", "That statement came from your heart. Just because that’s how you think doesn’t mean other people are like minded.", "When the \"minority group\" can silence anyone who offends them, changes the terms and names to address other minorities, and presents their minor issues as more important than everyone else's and unless you are apart of that group you aren't allowed to voice an opinion, then its less of an issue of \"manhood\" and more of an issue of power dynamics in society.", "Right, because Twitter being mad is the same as book burnings…", "> If their is any real controversy it is that he said gender is a fact and that a womb is a womb. He also followed with Trans women are women. \n\nThis is where he fucked up. \n\nI believe he meant \"your sex is your sex\" as in: You're physically born with what you're physically born with. \n\nGender and sex are not the same thing. \n\nTo say \"Gender is a fact\" is more akin to saying \"Your culture is a fact\" or \"Your religion is a fact\". The latter two would also be controversial statements due to their subjective nature.", "\"Almost 40 years ago\" makes it sound longer tho which is better for the upvotes", "Sure, I just mean the conversation surrounding Dave is near identical so it doesn't feel like progress. Yes progress in that big comics don't make those exact jokes anymore, but comics and fans sure as hell have the same attitude toward criticism and don't seem to have grown at all as people.", "Isn't it all a bit Larry the Cable Guy? A character that plays to the audience he's apparently mocking? \n\nIt all becomes a problem when that becomes his tour dates, it's not satire, they then end up becoming the character.", "This is also a take I hate lol Dave isn’t silenced. Also, it’s not just trans people protesting. I’d argue the white people at those protests would also be the same white people at a BLM rally in support.\n\nYour doing a disservice to what’s actually happening by pretending trans people are the Borg and getting everyone fired lol that’s not what’s happening.", "Imagine thinking white evangelical Christians are somehow an oppressed minority.", "Censorship is when the government prevents or criminalizes the expression of certain thoughts, statements, or ideas.\n\nIt is not censorship when private companies decide that they want to deny someone access to their platform, distribution system, etc. as a result of statements that reflect poorly on the private company.\n\nIt is not censorship when a sufficiently large or sufficiently outspoken portion of the general public disapproves of a public figure's statements enough to negatively impact their public image or success as an entertainer.\n\nDave can say whatever he wants about trans people, and the government won't intervene so long as he isn't inciting violence or taking part in illegal discrimination with respect to housing, business, acting as a public servant, etc. That is his right under the 1st amendment.\n\nHowever, the 1st amendment doesn't require media companies to continue to work with him, nor does it require the general public to support him. When you make a career out of saying things that people find entertaining, there are consequences for saying things that people don't appreciate.", "George Carlin specifically hated people in control. He was very anti establishment. I don’t think he would have the take on this topic that you wished he would have. The canceling and the controlled speech would have sent him into full Dave Chappell mode.", "He's equating sex and gender. \n\nHe referred to people as \"women\" based on their reproductive function. There are men who give birth. To deny this is to deny the gender of trans men.", "I just explicitly said I agreed with the message.", "Exactly", "He said both sides of what your saying in the video. “Defend to the death his right to say it”.\n\nI think your misunderstanding why I posted that. I’m not implying Carlin would be supportive of canceling someone lol I never said that", "Wait for Ricky Gervais new special. Saw him live in summer. He's a prick.", "I wonder if people are using the wrong word here. You keep saying the joke was transphobic. But that seems to denote a fear of trans people.\n\nHe was definetly making fun of trans genetails. What I don't see why that would imply he fears or hates trans people? \n\nIn much the same way making a joke centered around someone in a wheelchair doesn't mean you hate or fear disabled people.\n\nWhat exactly is it about trans genitals that makes the sacrosanct?", "than", "There absolutely is a situation, but this isn't one of them. Its not black and white. You can't tell people how they feel, and you definitely cant if you don't understand why they are upset.\n\nYou're not laughing with them your laughing at them. Empathy totally exists and i see you have none. The trans people are the ones complaining and you're telling them to take a joke. When the man is openly a T.E.R.F that's empowering the crazy conservatives that are a large contributing factor of the reason has trans friend died. Which is a rising common problem in the trans community.\n\nIts not a game when its an actual legally oppressed group that you fetishize and label \"Cancel culture\" like you're lowering the bar to be able to feel good about offending them.\n\nI say this because on a public board on the front page because i know there are trans people need to know that not everyone out there ignoring them. Ignorance is next to oppression.\n\nThe dude is either a hypocrite, or an idiot who doesn't grasp the situation.\n\nThe whole thing smells like controversy bait to shit on trans people for \"Not being able to take a joke, and canceling us all the time\".", "Ok then explain, what was the other part of what he was saying? What part do you think connects here.", "Don't put words in Carlin's mouth. No one is worthy enough to do that. \n\nDave wasn't punching down or picking on the underdog. He was using comedy to explain the hypocracy in parts of the trans movement, but he also explains the parts of the trans movement he fully supports. If you walked away angry that Dave doubled down on his anti-trans rhetoric, then you missed the point.", "I think it is punching down - because a Trans person making black jokes for an hour would not fly", "Transphobia is defined as (and not by me) \"a collection of ideas and phenomena that encompass a range of negative attitudes, feelings, or actions towards transgender people or transness in general. Transphobia can include fear, aversion, hatred, violence, anger, or discomfort felt or expressed towards people who do not conform to social gender expectations\"\n\nThe denial of someone's gender due to them being trans is prejudice against trans people. The gender of cis people is not widely denied.\n\n> but if somebody doesn't want to play ball\n\nEven the implication of \"play ball\" shows you don't actually believe gender and sex are different things, you're just \"being polite\". \n\nLike someone doesn't stop being racist just because they don't say the N word in public \"to not be rude\". You still hold prejudices. \n\n> It means they don't agree with a societal construct, which is all that gender is.\n\nWhat does it mean to \"not agree with gender\"? \n\nI thought you were going the path of \"they don't agree it's a social construct\", but that's not what you said, you admit it's a social construct. \n\nSo then it's a social construct they participate in only for cis people, but not trans people...", ">Because its universally accepted that it's fine to be racist towards white people?\n\nOh no a black person called me cracker! This is exactly like slavery I'm a victim someone help me!", "Ever heard of Ellen \nEver heard of that Reddit exec/employee who was cancelled because people discovered she was just awful\n\nOh oh ever heard about trans people especially black trans women being literally killed?!? \n\nGuess not.", "If your point was that there was \"no joke\", leaving out the punchline is pretty intellectually dishonest.\n\nIt also does change the meaning. It wasn't:\n\n> literally a laugh based off imagining trans people's genitals. That was the laugh. There wasn't a joke.\n\nIt was a laugh based off comparing naturally made genitals and artificially produced genitals to meat products and impossible/beyond substitutes. It's a fucked up joke, but it is a joke.", "I think it just did (sort of) with \"The Closer\"", "I don't agree with Carlin's opinion that certain people should be off limits....the untouchables.\n\nNo.\n\nI think jokes about bullies are fair play....no matter what segments they come from.", "That was my take too, what a legend", "Yeah you’re one of the few people on this thread that has correctly articulated the difference between gender and sex. \n\nFor those who don’t know sex is what parts you have at a biological level and, as of now, is never able to be completely changed. Gender/ gender identity is how you choose to express these parts and yourself to others. Chapelle’s misuse of these terms is in part what contributed to the controversy of his special, albeit not all of it. In his defense though it was likely an honest mistake given that the difference between the 2 isn’t extremely common knowledge yet, especially among older crowds and those who haven’t personally interacted much with the LGBT+ community.", "The best comedians are comedic geniuses.\n\nCarlin was a genius who chose a career in comedy. I think he would have been successful in just about any career field he chose.", "Conservative christian evangelicalism dominated America’s political and cultural institutions in the 80’s and 90’s during the height of Carlin’s career", "I feel Dave Chapelle is a hypocrite about his choices. He identifies with the Black community but at the same time makes fun of people from the trans community when one of them comes up to him and talks on behalf of their community.\n\nAll of his jokes/comments are so nuanced and layered as if he’s crafting a way to justify the shit he spewed earlier in his stand ups.\n\nAt the end of the day, the guys IS punching down. He isn’t funny and he isn’t an intellectual about anything", "Hey is this you proving my point?\n\n> The same people up in arms over this yawn at Justin Trudeau in blackface.", "It's this line here, could with what he says near the end of the vid: \n\n\"His targets are underdogs, and comedy has traditionally picked on people in power, people who abuse their power, women and gays and immigrants in my way of thinking are underdogs\". \n\nA lot of people in the comments seem to be trying to forcibly make a distinction on behalf of Carlin that trans people aren't included in his line of thinking. \n\nObviously Dice then was NOWHERE EVEN CLOSE to Dave, the stuff Dice was saying is insane if you look it up. But the logic of punching down to the underdogs not being comedy is valid for what's happening right now with Dave, and why a lot of people feel they need to defend or aid trans people. Because that dynamic does exist.", "Honestly I thought it was his weakest special and much of the humor just seemed phoned in with the intent to create outrage. I don't think you're wrong about the point he was making though.\n\n> What I find hilarious in this special is this outrage is exactly what he called. The community being outraged right now is proving Dave’s point, so much so it is making them look terrible.\n\nIf you want something that perfectly encapsulates that, check out [this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9h6F6bJRVs) of a counter protester carrying a \"We like Dave\" sign at the Netflix protest and how he was treated.", "Yeah I'm sorry but you are wrong. He didn't make two separate jokes here, it's the same joke.\n\nIt's very clear that the joke he was making isn't that they aren't women or that there is anything wrong with it. It's that their genitals aren't the same as natural biological female genitalia.\n\nYou seem to have missed that and believe that they are separate jokes.", "Just don’t show them the comments…", "But if people don't want to associate with me or tweet to netflix about how they didn't like my jokes THAT'S CANCEL CULTURE AND THAT'S NOT OK! /s", "The LGBT aren't underdogs in the west. Times change and they have are in positions of power in the entertainment, tech and media industries. And that's a vast improvement from being an oppressed minority. But like any former oppressed minority that has been given respect in wider society, they are still acting like the underdogs. Just look at Abrahamic religions acting like they don't also share dominance in the west.\n\nDave Chapelle is still punching up, what's changed is who's in power.", "> be off limits\n\nHe never said off limits, he literally said \"he should do what he wants.\" He's just explaining his perspective on it.", "I think you misinterpreted what he was saying about Andrew Dice Clay to somehow be relevant to the situation with Dave.", "You should look up what her actual friends said about her. \n\nDave barely knew her.", "He should have played the character in a way that was funny.", "A lot of people use sex and gender synonymously. Some of them do it on purpose to stonewall the discussion.", "There was a punchline", "Not sure if you're trying to mock me because that line was meant to prove a point, that that line of arguments sounds ridiculous", "> You seem to have missed that and believe that they are separate jokes.\n\nWe're getting lost in the weeds a little here, I'm not denying the jokes existence, I'm simply saying it's transphobic, the beyond meat line doesn't change the transphobia in that joke. \n\nAgain, in my opinion, a lot of people seem to be thinking I'm saying something more then my own opinion here lol", "Yep, this is literally not what Chappelle's Special was about, at all.\n\nCompare to Andrew Dice Clay, the comedian Carlin is actually talking about: https://youtu.be/9l4JpI0nwf8", "Most of the people screeching didn’t watch it and just read headlines.", "We did not deserve George Carlin. He was smarter, funnier, and better than all of us.", "The punchline doesn't make it better lol that's the part that people dont seem to understand, just because a punchline happened doesn't change that the crux of the joke was transphobic as hell. The later half of the joke doesn't make it magically not transphobic lol", "Awful quick rise to power for people who didn't even have Title VII protections under the Civil Rights act until \\checks notes\\ last June. \n\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/15/us/gay-transgender-workers-supreme-court.html", "That is exactly what he is implying.\n\nDon't make fun of a minority because you are a minority. Only punch up.", ">He never said off limits, he literally said \"he should do what he wants.\"\n\nThat was the comedian in him talking. Before that it was the ideologue talking.", "Honestly, everyone should take issue with this special, and it's mostly from a comedic point of view. It's telling that everyone is arguing about whether or not he was right or meant what he said, and not about if it was funny. Because it just wasn't a particularly funny special, but people have wrapped up their identity either for or against Chappelle, when it comes to trans people, so they will defend it or attack it based on their stance there, instead of from a comedic point of view.\n\nCan anyone here truly say they laughed even once at this comedy special? If so, I'd be surprised, or I'd suspect you of just saying so for the sake of trying to prove me wrong. Even taking away the subject matter, it was just an angry man ranting at me for like an hour. I came for a comedy special, I left having watched a pretty shitty Ted talk.\n\nIt doesn't help that he's been doing this for the subject for the last 4 specials or so, so even the humour he could milk out of the subject, he has done so by now.", "[Mary Mary quite contrary. Trim that pussy it's so damn hairy! Oooh!](https://youtu.be/gw6W8JpGKpw)", "Definitely not. But that's not an accurate description.", "Ok now explain how this relates to Dave, I don’t think people are misunderstanding a thing. I think you are tiptoeing around what you are trying to say.", "DAVE CHAPPELLE IS AN ANGRY WHITE MAN 😡😡😡", "The fact that corporations are giving him money to say whatever he wants proves he's not being cancelled. I get cancelled all the time and nobody cares. I wish somebody would give me millions of dollars, trumpet my beliefs to everybody for me, and then I can whine and moan how nobody can hear me.", "> He points to the extraordinary power of certain communities (The LGBTQ+) to cancel people\n\nAny implication that racist rhetoric isn't just as easily cancelable in current society is horseshit.\n\n> to bully them (to death in one case)\n\nNeither her family nor her best friend and roommate quoted anything about internet harassment in relation to her suicide. They quoted the fact that she lost her job and custody of her daughter in the same week. But keep scapegoating trans people because Dave told you to. \n\nThese supposed hate comments cannot be found anywhere on any of her social medias (otherwise you know they'd be spread everywhere to show the \"LGBTQ internet bullies\").\n\n> He even notes how they've been more successful in their efforts than other movements (BLM)\n\nYeah, which he certainly has a point for; but that doesn't somehow excuse his own prejudice. I haven't seen anyone attack him on this point, because they don't disagree with it. Woke gender activists are some of the most racially sensitive and understanding white people you can find. \n\n> This is pretty clear from the special. I'm not sure many people who are attacking Dave actually saw it.\n\nThey saw it, their issues simply lie entirely elsewhere. Like this is just a big strawman. Chappelle said some transphobic shit, people were rightfully upset. Nothing about the \"theme\" or \"message\" of his special is relevant to that, because that's not what they took issue with.", ">He identifies with the “Black” community \n\nWhy do you put black in quotes? Are you suggesting black people don't exist?", "isnt the idea that gays and trans are below him inherently homophobic?\n\nif a white man thinks \"i cant make fun of gays because they are below me\" thats homophobic as anything isnt it?", "I think there's a huge gap between what Andrew Dice Clay was doing and what Dave Chappelle is doing. They are not equivalent at all, but that's a subjective take in the end.", "I thought it was one of his best specials to date. But in a different way. It wasn’t just a comedy special but like you said it was a message. And that message was put together in such an amazing way, it highlights why people call comedy an art.\n\nBut then again, one of my favorite stand ups is actually George Carlin which is why I’m here. I love it when people can tie in philosophy in with comedy in an attention grabbing way.\n\nI’m sure if your style of comedy is just jokes or laughs 24/7 then this special might have been a weak one.", "> Instead of creating the inclusion they hoped for, it generated a ton of resentment. People who have no problem with their gay coworkers are now like fuck that “woman”. I’m not tiptoeing around here for one snowflake.\n\nThe division and distraction is the purpose.", "You said there was no joke when in reality you left out the punchline. That’s my point. Idk what you’re trying to imply I meant.", "Yea but to argue that this isn’t a fairly new delineation in the modern group think is ignorant at best, it’s a new method of understanding societal roles and the ways we fit into them. Expecting a 50 year old plus man to get that immediately is asinine IMO.", "Honestly, the jokes from trans people on twitter about the special were funnier than any of the jokes in the special itself.", "I'm no linguist but I think the distinction itself is fairly new and not widely accepted. The unambiguous terms would probably be gender identity and biological sex.", "Dave said the same thing about transgender that he said about Rachel Dolezal, he just said more. You heard what you wanted to hear. Rachel and Oli London, that guy who wanted to become Korean so he got a bunch of surgeries, are not one bit different than than the issue of whether or not transgender women are females. They can be women, they are NOT females, yet they get to redefine the term around themselves for some reason and Rachel nor Oli get that privilege.", "Oh 100%, I’m not implying their even remotely similar.", "God Emperor Chapelle must not be questioned, for his genius sees all and hears all, far beyond the scope of mortals.\n\nOr he is an aging gen X'er millionaire whose gotten too insulated around other rich people and his ego was hurt by rightful criticism of him.\n\nNothing like a 50 year old edge lord. Whatever he was when he walked away from 50 million, he is no longer that man.", "It’s literally a comedy show. If you don’t think it’s funny then fuck off and watch something else. I don’t get the woke mob coming for comedy because it hurts their feelings. This isn’t even political.", "Or, you know, we could use what she actually fucking said on Twitter before she was bullied before fucking suicide. It’s disgusting you would need to pretend she had different thoughts—to revise history so that she’s a ‘conformist’—just to continue to feel comfortable continuing that hate that lead to her suicide.", "This whole thread is people trying to pick apart his special because his whole thing is 'nuanced'. Chappelle's career is delivering a meaningful message that is understood in the way he wants it understood. So all of this back and forth bickering is because of one of the following:\n\n1. He's not good at his craft anymore, and his message was poorly delivered to the point that he's getting cancelled all over the place. \n\n2. It was crafted just as he wanted, so he can be a bigoted shit to LGBT people and have a bunch of fans rush to his rescue because there's just enough wiggle room to somehow prove he's not a bigot.\n\nSo you must ask yourself - is he shitty at his craft, or is he a bigot?", "🎲 🎲", "Comedy =/= I think it’s funny.\n\nJust because you couldn’t find the jokes, doesn’t mean they weren’t there.", "Here is the Oxford definition of the word “transphobic “: having or showing a dislike of or prejudice against transsexual or transgender people. \n\nCan you please explain to everyone reading this thread what makes the joke “transphobic”? As far as I’ve seen in every one of your comments and replies, your only reasoning that he and his jokes in this special are transphobic is because that’s your opinion. I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and I take no issue with anyone expressing their opinion. But opinion isn’t fact. There are a bunch of Americans who currently believe that Donald Trump won the election and that there was massive voter fraud. That is their opinion and they are entitled to it but it does not make it fact. The same as many trans people have the opinion that this special is transphobic. It’s simply their opinion. It does not make it factually transphobic. So again I ask you, for the sake of everyone on this thread, what makes this joke transphobic?", "Neat trick, but context means something.", "You can use the word fg in a funny context and still think gay people have every right to exist, marry each other, etc. lol. Wtf is wrong with people?", "So when he said he was team TERF, how does that fall into your argument?", "He used to be a hippy dippy weatherman.", "In the world we live in, yes, if you're ridiculing your own race.", "It's teasing when he has the nuance and understanding of the community he's discussing. He's pretty great with racial humor, because he has a pretty good understanding of what being a racial minority is like. \n\nHe has no nuance or understanding of the trans experience and clearly has not attempted to gain much considering he's done 4 specials in a row on the topic with roughly the same material. One of his stories in the special even mentions how his only trans friend tried to help explain her experience to him and his response is \"I don't understand what you're talking about\". He says he can empathize with her human experience, but empathy doesn't write comedy, unless he has nuanced understanding, the jokes are often just coming from a place of prejudice and will be largely received that way. \n\nIronically, this is precisely why he stopped doing racial humor despite his understanding and nuance for that topic:\n\n>\"After this incident, Dave began thinking about the message he was sending to millions of viewers. Dave says some people understood exactly what he was trying to say with his racially charged comedy...while others got the wrong idea.\n\n>'That concerned me,' he says. 'I don't want black people to be disappointed in me for putting that [message] out there. ... It's a complete moral dilemma.'\"\n\nDoes no one see the irony in him coming to this conclusion when he has the perspective of his own people's marginalization, but can't extend that understanding to another marginalized group of which he clearly does not understand?", "When you mention trans genitalia, on its own, and haven’t delivered a punchline yet, and that gets a laugh… that’s transphobic. Daves a genius. He wrote that line, had that look and had that pause because he’s smart and a great writer. He knew what he was doing and got the laugh that he wanted to get.\n\nEdit: I think people have a hard time with the fact that the joke worked and he got a laugh from it. The fact that the joke worked doesn’t change the transphobic nature of the joke itself. The joke being good and working as intended doesn’t then make it not transphobic because it got a laugh.", "He's being transphobic while not being trans...", "He was huge at the time. Some humour doesn’t hold up across decades. Alot of hilarious stuff on SNL in the 70s wouldn’t even get a cough now.", "What a stupid fucking take. People can criticize the content of a comedy show for being offensive. You're a fucking idiot.", "Sidestep it. Got it.", "So when he said that it was intrinsically funny to see a \"man\" dressed up as a woman, how does that touch on hypocrisy?", "When did I say that? Do you have reading comprehension issues?", "I did watch the special. I watched it three times to make sure that I heard the words he spoke, the tone he used, and the way he delivered it. I am a trans person. So far as I see, the first openly commenting here. What he said was offensive to me. \n\n\nI went into the special having been a fan of his to verying degrees over the last 20 or so years, knowing full well I was likely to hear something that would make me cringe. And I did. \n\n\nChappelle is a brialliant wordsmith. At times, he has been one of the brightest minds we've had shining a light on certain issues when others were hesitant to. \n\n\nAnd here's the thing. It is possible he didn't intend for what he said to offend in the ways that it did. It could be possible that he just workshopped his material in front of the wrong audience. It could be that in his head, and the feedback he got, likely not from any actual trans people, that it seemed kosher and good to go because he, and maybe the people giving feedback, just didn't understand the impact his words would likely have on a fair proportion of the trans community. \n\n\nI defend his right to say whatever he wants, like anyone else, up to the point that it does not harm people. What he said may seem supportive to some. They may be offensive to some. They may be taken in an entirely diifferent way by others and used as a greenlight to up the hate. I can see how some people would do that. \n\n\nI had hoped that when the shit hit the fan, he'd have taken the opportunity to be the ally he claims to be an open a discussion into the power of words. How they can educate, motivate, and heal, but also be taken out of context and weaponized by people who are happy to parrot his lines and then say \"He I didn;t say it! XYZ did and I'm just repeating it\". But ultimately, he doesn't have to do that. \n\n\n All that said, even though I found his words offensive and felt marginalized by them as a human being, I don't want to cancel him. I want him to provide commentary on social issues, any of them, all of themt that he chooses to, in a way that doesn't feel like he's throwing cheap shots. And for the record, I have no problem with gay or trans jokes, but if you're gonna tell them, make them good ones. Try them out on the people you're actually talking about first. \n\n\nAnd I expect to be told to get over it, that I didn't get what he was saying, I'm being too sensitive, etc... so forth and so on, and that\\\\s fine. We're all entitled to an opinion, but on the specific question of whether or not a run of the mill trans person could find his bit offensive for reasons other than it being a trans joke, or poor attempt at social commentary, maybe my opinion counts a smidge more on that. \n\n\nI do see the point you're trying to make, I'm just saying from my viewpoint and my experience, not talking for an entire community of people, I have to disagree. If he nailed it the way you feel he did, I'd be right on it telling tpeople to listen and learn from him on it.", "Care to elaborate?", "Nothing has changed since bahahaha", "Oh, so white people are just punching bags whose culture is just accepting it? Sounds totally not racist you Americans are so weird. Some double standards.", "The only way I can understand comments like this is if people don’t understand what saying “I’m team TERF” implies for trans women. As a racial analogy it’s be like saying “I’m team KKK” and then turning around and talking about your black friend getting bullies on Twitter. It’s nonsense. TERF stands for “trans exclusive radical feminist” TERFs as a group specifically exist to invalidate all trans women’s entire identities. Now am I saying TERFs are as bad as the KKK? No. But like the KKK they’re a group with a targeted hateful ideology and Chappelle has given them more of a platform. Never will understand how members of a marginalized group will put others down like this. Not that the LGBT community doesn’t have a problem with racism and not that it can’t be toxic on Twitter. But if Twitter is making you “team terf” and you feel need to justify your bit by going on a monologue about your one trans friend you might have a problem. I’m also honestly tired of older comedians using “offending the PC culture” as some sort of marketing or career revitalization technique. Chappelle was never truly “cancelled” so I don’t see why he’s going totally Louis CK.", "Me too. Apparently it’s because we’re scared of minorities. Idk, that’s what I heard from some rich old white guy on some other rich old white guy’s tv show.", "Old George Carlin isn't even really a comedian so I don't see how he's an authority on the subject", "That's not at all what I said, no.\n\nThe entire damn point is that you make fun of the powerful and wealthy, not of those already marginalized and weak. I don't know what's so fucking hard to understand about this concept.", "The saying goes: \n\n“The funniest guy in the room is smart. \nThe smartest guy in the room isn’t funny.” \n\nI think that’s usually true, except for rooms with people like Carlin who could be both.", "> but doesn’t that mean we all very likely have bias or prejudice?\n\nCorrect, we all do, even trans people. \n\nThe difference is acknowledging and self reflecting on that prejudice. We all hold these biases, but perpetuating them is the issue. \"You have transphobic biases\" and \"you are publicly making transphobic statements\" are not the same level of harm.\n\nWe can already see how the next generation is so much more accepting of gay and trans people. That happens because the prejudice of previous generations dies out.", "Except it didn't punch down. Did you miss the entire ending bit where Dave treated Daphne as a person and her Twitter 'allies' treated her like a traitor?", "Oh they were there. They were just incredibly shitty. Was this a comedy show? Yes. Was is a good one? Fuck no.", "You don’t see how a comedy legend in his prime (this was 1990 I believe) would be a good arbiter on comedy? Lol\n\nDude was releasing like yearly comedy specials at this point.", "Idk aren't TERFs supposed to be for bathroom bills?", ">He also said being trans is like doing blackface.\n\nNo he said the TERF group look at trans-women the same way a black person looks at black face like its an impersonation of them. He did not say that trans-people are impersonations of women or that being trans is like blackface.", "Do you really think the people currently running the world and calling the shots are evangelicals lmao\n\nThese are generally not rich and powerful people, they're mostly poor Southerners and tons of Christian fundamentalists are not even white.", "I don't hear transphobia. \n\nYou may just be extra sensitive.", "LOL the 1980s were nothing like today.", "Andrew Dice Clay is actually playing a character called 'the diceman' that he crafted for years before hitting it big. He's so outrageous, that the audience has to look at him like 'what a relic, everyone knows you can't talk like that anymore'. The character is very sad. He doesn't have friends. He only bangs the odd fat trashy woman here and there. He's a prisoner of his own closed mind. The Diceman is a walking, talking, tragedy. A caricature of sad male chauvinism. That's the edge that becomes funny. That's what makes him a clown. It's 'outrageous'. If the audience was actually agreeing with everything the character said, it wouldn't be entertaining or notable.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwxfKqY044o\n\nParticularly poignant story about the character according to Andrew himself: https://youtu.be/RwxfKqY044o?t=786", "His Wikipedia entry was definitely written by his PR.", "Have you seen the show? You need context to understand what he was saying which was in effect just saying he was a feminist.", "Jfc this goblins comment history is depressing. Get a hobby and quit worrying about this shit", "Boomer is just something that dumb angsty kids say to describe anyone slightly older than them. It’s really just a tell that lets you know the person saying it is a teen or younger.", "I’ve had too many people tell me George Carlin made gay jokes, ignoring that he was specifically talking about priests and the church when he did lol \n\nHe literally says in this video he doesn’t laugh at gay jokes and yet his fans will pretend he would.", "Only if you think comedy is actually activism.", "Yea a neat trick using your own words against you lol. Pulled that one right out of the hat", "I'll take \"both\" please. He didn't used to have to rely on bigotry against vulnerable folks as a method of getting cheap laughs from edgelord fans.", "His friends are dying, and he sees how his people are viewed and how their pain and suffering is disregarded. Comes a point where you get tired seeing the same easy to fix problems continue to plague society. His special came off to me as more of a commentary on society with some jokes added in there to be considered a comedy special.", "Yet Dave Chapelle isn't joking about any underdog he joked about a demographic that are put on a pedestal by the establishment", "Ricky Gervais is a gift to all of humanity.", "> I feel like people missed a lot of the context of this special\n\nEven with context its still bad, 'spending less time worrying about it' is exactly what leads to the brainwashing of people into thinking a guy kissing a guy is bad.\n\nNo kid gives a fuck about 2 guys kissing until they are taught to through 'just jokes'", "Clay was a low hanging fruit guy, that was kind of the point, a parody of people that actually had that mentality by the truckload. He was also very aware of this fact. History just eroded away this fact and all that is left to the uninitiated is a racist bigot, which is a shame.", "I know all this about Terfs..... \n\nWhat do you call someone who uses correct pronouns who think bathroom bills are immoral? This is what I'm talking about when I mention binary thinking. \n\nIf I speak out and vote for candidates who care about black issues never use racist language and call out those who do but think Afirmative action is a bad policy am I a racist? We put people in these all or nothing good va evil categories when most people fall somewhere in between it all", "That was... Cringey. I'm all for offensive humor if it's funny, but that's just... Lame.", "He's just preaching basic politics that a lot of people agree with and then throws in some stupid shit like \"they're anti-abortion because they want more soldiers in the military\" to further pander to his audience. Norm Macdonald for example has said he doesn't consider Carlin or Bill Hicks comedians. They want people to clap, not laugh.", "You heard him: it’s the Jews!", "I love George Carlin too, but if you're going to tie comedy and philosophy together as well as he did then both aspects of it need to be equally good and I just didn't feel that way about this special. It has some funny moments, but it also had a few bits that seemed phoned in.", "And I'm just sure* you'd be singing the same tune if impoverished Southerners got triggered over every \"dumb southern redneck\" joke lmao\n\n\"It's okay as long as you're not punching down !!\"", "It means OP doesn’t understand comedy and thinks it’s actually a form of activism.", "I can accept those are 2 different things, but have they always been 2 different things? I thought they were synonymous for most of my life.", "Carlin was such a critical thinker, I wish we had a planet full of people who can think half as well as he does about these topics, not just knee jerking a reaction.", "The 1990’s weren’t exactly gay friendly, downplay this all you want but Carlin was incredibly ahead of his time\n\n“People agree with” is an incredible misunderstanding of the time period lol", "I felt this special was boring because its non stop soapbox complaining. There were memorable jokes in his last few specials but I think only 1 in this special.", ">The joke was transphobic, that's all it was.\n\nThe offensive nature of a joke can be a punchline in itself. Not laughing at trans people but rather laughing at Chappel having the nerve to say something so out there. It's a fine line that Chappel manages to thread well for the most part. But judging by your replies here you're just not capable of seeing the finer detail there.", "No one has an issue with making fun of the stereotypical impoverished southern redneck with a thick accent. This isn't about punching up or down, it never has been. \n\nIt's about people drawing arbitrary and hypocritical lines on what is and isn't okay to joke about.", "They're feminists who believe that trans women are not actual women and that those trans women undermine the rights of real women.", "No one is actually affected by words addressed to nobody", "I get that but I think it doesn't find its mark at least for me because in that scenario would imply a level of self depreciating humor with the presentation.\n\nThe bit is a more guttural thick headed greaser type character and that should play into the humor and is instead more of coming off as a mouth piece rather than a reflection of the character's self-degradation. \n\nErgo in that bit the humor in his bit is sought for insulting gay people not that the person's perception is so out of pace that it whips around and smacks them back in the face.\n\nAn example of what I mean would be Blazing Saddles where it uses some really scathing racial humor but the characters who use it do so in a way that backfires and insults them right back at themselves.", "George Carlin was the most brilliant man. ADC was a piece of human garbage.", "Similar to how we blame all cops for the actions of the bad ones. The friend he had was basically killed by their community. The LGBTQ community didn't blink at those who acted so toxic so they're supporting the action with inaction.\n\nThis is similar to his black KKK member being against their community.", "It’s definitely a fine line I just didn’t read that joke that way personally. But that’s a fair way to interpret it, I just don’t see the joke that way, I don’t feel like that’s the laugh he’s getting there.", ">But it does seem that it is not really reasonable to expect that I feel they are the 'exact same' because....they are not?\n\nBut when is that expectation going to be put on you outside of twitter and reddit arguments?", "If you claim you are a TERF then you are punching down….", "I gotta see the special but from what it sounds like, seems like it’s a case of a (really famous and influential) gen x’er trying to acclimate to a new world of understanding and fucking up.\n\nSucks that he’s digging deeper and Netflix is fucking up on their side, but at least I now don’t believe Dave Chappelle is a dyed in the wool transphobe.", "Ugh, I just went and looked ADC is still alive...and touring, gross.", "Aaaand there’s the point in a nutshell, folks. /thread", "Living up to the namesake", "You can’t align yourself with a modern hate group and then claim to be moral because you respect pronouns and have a trans friend. It’s still giving TERFs a platform. If a white gay comedian did a bit about how he doesn’t fuck with black men and then said he’s “team KKK” I don’t think you’d be arguing about “binary thinking” here. Now do I think Chappelle knew the weight of declaring himself “team terf”? Probably not. But his response has been “the corporate haters hate my standup” instead of actually addressing what was truly offensive. He could just say something like “I didn’t fully realize what a terf was when I said it” and could move on. In that case like the KKK isn’t a fair argument. It’d be probably more like saying “I’m team Proud Boy” or something but I know if I was informed I aligned myself with a hate group I’d want to distance myself retrospectively even if I didn’t really mean anything by it.", "I get the feeling you are speaking in good faith, so if you don't mind, lets take the time to address things specifically in the show so we can mutually clarifies each others position on it. I'll start, but bring up any part you had an issue with and why so we can begin a dialogue, if you wish to.\n\nHe starts the show off entering the realm of the LGBT community with his joke about DaBaby. I think he makes a valid point here, in that murder didn't hurt his career at all, but saying the wrong words did. I don't think hes insulting anyone so much as asking what the values are and if they are off base, and when phrased like that, I can't say I disagree with him. I've been called some horrible things in my life, I still prefer that to being murdered.", "Huge doesn't even begin to describe it. I don't even know what the modern equivalent of selling out Madison Square to tell dirty mother goose poems is?", "It is okay. There are people who think it isn't, but they are, for the most part, people who don't watch the specials. And most of those who do are watching them for the sole purpose of gathering ammo for debates like this.\n\nChappelle will never stop being entertaining to the people he entertains. He's not going to be cancelled. Whether he's on Netflix or does his own thing like Louis does.", ">What did was disingenuous, he lied about the situation to make the LGTBQ community seem rabid.\n\nDid he lie when their response is absolutely rabid?", "Also comparing terfs to the kkk or other hate groups isn’t some sort of nonsense “aLl RePuBlIcAnS aRe NaZiS” bs. Terfs in lgbt communities specifically exist to erase the T from LGBT.", "It's fucking wild to me how redditors are dying on the hill of DCs shit-tier edgelord comedy. The fact that redditors feel the need to repeatedly explain \"He'S NoT a tRaNsPhObE\" after DC SELF-DESCRIBED himself as a transphobe is absolutely fucking bonkers to me.", "To be clear I’m not saying Dave is Dice lol I’m saying Carlin’s take on comedy and who jokes are aimed at is relevant with this special.", "As soon as he said Andrew and considering the timeframe of this interview, I figured that’s who he was talking about.", "Not the same guy but censorship isn't restricted to governments at all, for one thing.", "Which part was the funny part?", "I did watch the special. I just view trans people as a minority, which is apparently a controversial opinion I’ve been learning today.\n\nAlso I’m not defending cancel culture lol the fact that THAT is what you took away from that vid Is insane.", "I’m from India. I won’t pretend to know your culture — I’ll remove the quotes.\n\nThanks for pointing out.", "Yes, I didn't find it funny. Also claiming to be feminists is straight from the TERF play book. So not sure that helps your point.", "Did I say Dave was silenced? Or that specifically trans people were protesting? Hard to silence someone who is part of a 25 million dollar deal and driving up customers. The trans crowd certainly tried, got painted as the virtuous crowd on news outlets, but the majority of those protesters are virtue signaling sheep who don't give two shits about real ethnic minority issues. Ironic considering the organizer of the Netflix protest Ashlee Marie Preston, preaches about \"black trans lives\", yet bragged about being racist to Latinos and Asians.", "You are right.", "Thats great, except no straight white man is cancelling people with a twitter mob. That is firmly in the group Carlin is talking about now.", "I don't see why he would hold others to the rule of \"punching up\" when he doesn't have any jokes himself. Is Dice Clay supposed to go up and talk about how prisons are a business while the crowd cheers to do proper comedy in his eyes?", "Dave had jokes aimed at transgendered people?", "It also happens because of the work the previous generation did. I think that is part of the reason a lot of people overreact or get upset with younger people calling them nazis or fascist. It’s like hey wait a second… it’s because of me and my generation that society is in a place to move forward.", "Jesus that was cringeworthy.\n\nCurious as to how he feels about it now.", "What is it with white people and their fucking victim complex?", "I think the only joke I saw was the morning coin flip, that gave me a chuckle... the rest was just name calling, I guess that's funny when you're 12.", "30 years ago is equally as impressive", "Imagine if he tried telling jokes.", "If you didn't see it that way then fine. But you can probably tell from the heavy down voting that saying the people who saw it differntly are transphobic isn't really helping your cause here. \n\nLike a lot of communities, the trans community is going to struggle to not be defined by its most extreme members. And I think this is where Chapell actually caused the most damage. His story about his trans friend ended with the implication that harassment from trans activists drove her to suicide. That paints a pretty grim picture of the trans community that's massively misrepresentative imo. I can't forsee a time when LGBTQ people aren't going to be a cheap political punching bag. And even though I don't think that's what Chappell was doing it seems to have lead the conversation down that road anyway unfortunately.", "“Someone recognize that I’m the victim!\n\n-This fucking clown shoe", "> When you mention trans genitalia, on its own, and haven’t delivered a punchline yet, and that gets a laugh… that’s transphobic. \n\nYou're just gonna keep charging on pretending you haven't been corrected on the nature of this joke several times now, aren't you?", "He was incredible, and elevated comedy to levels that have yet to be matched imo. Go watch his HBO specials they're great.", "Anyone who got offended by the special is a literal idiot. I watched it expecting some non-stop Trans bash based on comments and it was the complete opposite for anyone with half a brain.", "Fair enough. I disagree but that’s how comedy works sometimes!", "fuck fuck fuck fucking fuck", "You're a racist.", "In the first minute of that youtube link Joe Rogan says Clay started off 'the diceman' as a character but eventually adopted that character into his whole personality. Regardless it being a \"character\" doesn't make it any less awful.\n\nNormally I think it's fair to say we can't evaluate people of the past with today's moral values... but jokes about hanging people from trees/signs because of things they were born into really shouldn't be forgiven because of \"the times\".", "That’s not how jokes work. You can’t correct an interpretation of a subjective art form. I’m simply explaining how I viewed that joke, if me saying it’s transphobic offends you, I apologize. But you in no way can correct an opinion about an art form, it’s not a true or false conversation like you’re implying.", ">Similar to how we blame all cops for the actions of the bad ones\n\nIs it though? Because that's a group of people I'd say citizens (who form the govt) specifically organize and pay to take on the mission of being mindful of justice and to dispense it to even their own peers if they should have to. I'm not sure any random social group is like that at all. Is someone in a better position than the good ones, to make that particular situation any better?", "You’re one of the bad ones.\n\nAlso, if you think Carlin would be on the side of the puritanical moralizing mobs you really don’t understand George Carlin or comedy.", ">Even the people that are against him, are helping him.\n\nYep, he knows this. Easy way to manipulate extra views and such, just say something relatively tame about a crowd that's easily offended. All in all, from my memory when he was explaining the situation, nothing he said was directly offensive. IIRC, I remember him just saying the situation of someone feeling different from who/what they are is funny. I mean, we play that general idea up all the time, plenty of movies are based off of that idea. \n\nAll in all, Chappelle's smart. You don't get to his level of fame and fortune by being an idiot (unless you inherit money, which he didn't). He knows talking about trans stuff will get people riled up, even if nothing he said was actually offensive. Just more money in his pocket; the best thing any community can do when they feel attacked is 100% not to give a ton of attention to the \"issue\", thus, Dave Chapelle in this case.\n\nEdit: Went back to double check;\n\nHe literally says in one of his specials (Where he wears the green onesie)\n\n>\"...But the T's hate... my GUTS. And I don't blame them, it's not their fault, it's mine! I can't stop telling jokes about these n***s.\"\n\nHe straight up admits he knows that they get pissed off when he tells jokes about them. He also knows them creating controversy for him just means more people will flock to his shows/watch his special. First thing some people will think \"Oh wow whatever he said must've been pretty crazy if all those people are upset, I should check it out\". Obviously not everyone, but some people know that controversy in comedy is because it's either hilarious, or an absolute train wreck and people enjoy both of those things.", "Don't be so sensitive. He showed a lot about the good in your community to me as a non trans LGBQ person. It's the community that looks terrible to me because their response is dead on making his point. The defense of insane bathroom laws is another great point he made.\n\nThe sensitivity is why he stood with the strong parts of the community. It's not just LGBTQ but everyone is too sensitive and needs to toughen up.", "I’d definitely lean more towards option 1 but maybe word it a bit differently. I’ve been a fan of his for a long time but controversy aside, this was arguably the worst special he’s put out in his 20+ years of show business. It’s not like the LGBT+ bit didn’t have to do with it either. There were points where I was pulling up the time bar and wondering why in the world he kept going on about it. He didn’t really further any conversation that he brought up on either of his last two specials and aside from a light joke here and there it felt really barren of any comedy. It really seemed like we used more than half of his special just to air out his grievances with trans people and I don’t see how that’s entertaining enough of a premise to allot all that time for.\n\nI don’t know if it’s a tactic to bring in a bigger draw like some people are implying, but the backlash seems to be the only reason people are talking about the special at all.", "The forecast for tonight.....dark! And continued dark until early morning.", "Tbh why are the Ts part of LGBs community? One is a gender issue and the other 3 are a sexual orientation issue.\n\nBtw, comparing women who don't want trans women in the same bathroom is not comparable at all to actual NAZIs.", "How about this:\n \nI laughed really hard at several jokes.\n\nAnd I sat silently for several other jokes that made me uncomfortable or I saw as blatantly incorrect. It’s only funny if it’s true, and some of what he said simply wasn’t true.\n\nI thought it was funny in parts and over-the-line/offensive in others. I was very touched by his story of his trans friend, but resented his using* her, Post-Mortem, to frame his whole point with “I had a trans friend who thought I was funny so you should all just lighten up.”\n\nBut then I also thought he had a point about society drawing strange and seemingly arbitrary lines about what IS and ISN’T okay to joke about. Which leads me to the conclusion that comedians can and should joke about whatever they want. If the general public doesn’t like the humor, they’re within their rights to abandon the artist. But the artist is allowed to roll those dice.\n\nBo Burnham has a great point about this — every comedian who has ever worked in history has made jokes that were socially acceptable when they were uttered but became not OK as society changed. Bo also says that comedians who hide behind “people can’t take a joke anymore!” as a reason why audiences no longer connect with them is a flimsy excuse.\n\nComedians who hit their fame in the sixties made the same excuses in the 80s. Comedians who were big in the 80s made the same excuses in the 2000’s. And the cycle continues.\n\nBurnham’s position is that your audience didn’t victimize you by having evolving standards; you fell short as a comedian by losing touch with them.\n\nNow you have Chapelle, who’s building a brand out of saying regressive shit that most people aren’t cool with anymore. And that’s a gamble. And he’s losing people over it. There will be his die-hard fans, sure, but he’s taking some serious comedic risks and the consequences will be his alone.", "Ya, I was like \"who is he talking about.?\" and then he said \"andrew\" and I knew exactly who he was talking about.", "It's always been synonymous until fairly recently. The idea that they are seperate was first proposed in the 1950s but it's only recently that the concept they are seperate has been accepted outside of sociologist circles.", "I don’t think this is like the Dave chapels situation at all. Honestly I’d avoided watching the special for a while and had just heard about it in the news. Today I watched it and it was absolutely nothing like you would think if you only read the headlines/Twitter. Honestly I found it really funny and I think whilst there were some jokes that very much pushed boundaries - you could tell that Dave doesn’t have any hate towards trans people in his heart. He’s just doing what he does - trying to make people laugh.", "oh god damnit I lived through that but did not recall how bad that was. \n\nI was logged in too. I hope youtube doesn't start suggesting OAN and other alt-right bullshit to me like they did when I watched Elon Musk act goofy on Joe Rogans show.", "Watch", "maybe you have discovered you no longer like dave chappelle's comedy. Thats okay, we all grow and experience life differently, and you simply don't like dave's comedy anymore. It shouldn't be attributed to what was said, but more along the lines of \"its not for me\"", ">That’s not how jokes work. You can’t correct an interpretation of a subjective art form\n\nWhen you misrepresent the nature, intent and even the humour itself of the joke, very much deliberately by this point as you can no longer claim any ignorance, yes I absolutely can and will correct you.\n\n> if me saying it’s transphobic offends you, I apologize\n\nAnd this tiresome shit again too. I don't care what you find transphobic and you do not possess the power to offend me.", "Makes me think he's closeted.", "Yeah, people always try to curtail freedom of speech and expression with this kind of moral outrage over what is and isn't okay, we have to push back against that or risk losing it. That's why, when people tell me I shouldn't make jokes that mock and denigrate black people, I get out the shoe polish.", "No shit. Same deal, same tired “jokes”.", "People laugh at the jokes even in the pauses because Chappelle chuckles at his own jokes which honestly i appreciate. If you go through his specials, he does that from time to time. He'll start chuckling before delivering the punchline because he makes himself laugh. it's been like that since the Chappelle show. \n\nPlus people tend to laugh at the times too no matter the joke or just the anticipation for the punchline or just the fact that he is laughing at his own shit. I dunno those pauses and chuckles add to his routine but it's been there for other jokes before he drops the punchline.", "had he stayed that route he would have ended up creating http://www.thefuckingweather.com/.", ">you could hear and understand his message and still not appreciate the comments.\n\nYUP. Exactly. I thought he made some good points, and took some really tasteless, needlessly mean-spirited stops along the way.", "I'm an old guy and I hear what you're saying, but this was particularly shitty.\n\nI mean the whole reason we're watching the clip is because George Carlin went on a national broadcast to discuss how shitty it was \\at the time\\.", "Legend", "He was also a train conductor for a few years.", "That's a fair and balanced analysis. Thank you for your comment.", "Umm Andrew Dice Clay 30 years ago and Dave Chappell today are not even close to the same thing\nIMO. If you look back at Dice’s comedy it’s kinda edgy but it’s just bad boy east coast kinda nonsense about women. Some of it still holds up as funny but it’s mostly just him pushing the limits and being a dick for the sake of being a dick. He’s not trying to have a nuanced conversation up there he’s trying to push the limits like I said. Like a kid finding their boundaries with their parents. Dave is trying to have that conversation and does it very well in a way that is comical. I think Dave’s comedy will hold up years from now and his points aren’t controversial it’s just the topic is controversial and people don’t want to talk about it.", "Sorry you’re getting downvoted to oblivion for this. It really seems like a significant portion of Reddit is on chapelle’s side, and genuinely doesn’t understand what is so offensive or upsetting about his behavior here. Pretty funny cognitive dissonance here upvoting the george Carlin clip and then defending chapelle. A lot of mental gymnastics and generous interpretation of chapelle’s words happening in this thread.", "> Expecting a 50 year old plus man to get that immediately is asinine IMO.\n\nI think, if I was being paid a shit-tonne of money I'd at least invest some time into doing the bare minimum of research when commenting on extremely emotionally charged topics haha. He did that for finding out what the word feminism means, for example.\n\nIt was his decision to dedicate so much of his special to transgender issues after all. Understanding the Sex vs Gender thinking is pretty crucial to beginning that conversation. \n\nUltimately he does go on to say that it is a human experience etc. so people should take what he said as a whole and not get too caught up in his misunderstandings (which is what I think you were saying more or less).", "If you like standup, go watch Carlin. It’s a MasterClass in writing and storytelling. And to top it off he was doing social commentary, too.", "> I thought they were synonymous for most of my life.\n\nI would say towards the average person; They were the same thing. Go back 30 years and ask them their gender, they'd look at you confused, or be offended (thinking you're saying they could pass for both). Obviously within some communities (like the trans community) back then were more familiar with those terms and ideas, so they'd get it. That being said, I would think that for the most part, gay/trans/whatever rights/issues have sorta recently (in the past 20 years or so for recent) been a hot topic where a LOT of information is being given in a rather short time. For anyone who doesn't actually exist within that community, it's a lot of ideas/knowledge to digest, even with how much discussion and stuff has been going on recently. Hell, wouldn't surprise me if some older people still aren't aware of a lot of the changes/improvements made dealing with that stuff.\n\nGay rights, trans rights/issues simply weren't popular topics 20+ years ago, at least outside of some smaller communities that had people dealing with those issues. Wouldn't surprise me if you took an average person from 30 years ago they wouldn't have much of an idea about a lot of the terms/ideas that exist today.", "He was also very divisive at the time too. A lot of people recognised that \"humour\" for what it was: bigotry.", "yeah exactly. I have no problem acknowledging I have biases. \n\nThat doesn't make me a bad person, I would have had them regardless of my acknowledgement of them. \n\nIf anything, it'd be worse if I didn't acknowledge them and try to self reflect on them. And that's where older, more close minded people go wrong. They think having these biases makes them evil or hateful, so \"therefore they must not have biases\".", "> Think Andrew could pull off these jokes today? I'm thinking no dice", "Thank you for the reply. I’m a big fan of civil discussion and debate. Without it we’d be lost and I feel we’re coming closer with every passing day to losing it. \n\nThe pause you speak of is a designed pause in comedy to allow the “setup” (which is what that was) to sink in, which in turn creates a larger “pop” or crowd response once the punchline is said. Take Anthony Jeselnik for example. His comedy is extremely funny to some and extremely offensive to others. If you were to remove the setups from his jokes and only listened to the punchlines you would be sickened and more than offended. We can’t dissect a comedians jokes and pick and choose what’s offensive. That’s like being quoted out of context just so a journalist can validate their own view. It doesn’t work and promotes a false narrative which unfortunately in today’s world many people take as hard news and factual information. \n\nI do agree with you. Dave’s a comedy genius. He doesn’t shy away from this stuff because he wants the discussion. He doesn’t want to be cancelled. No one does. Unfortunately tho, he cannot control what the audience perceives as the comedic aspect of the joke. And that’s one of the reasons he left his own show. He felt like the laughs were coming at the wrong part of the jokes and that people were finding him funny for the wrong reasons. Dave will be fine. Society on the other hand… we’ll just have to wait and see", "That’s an extremely narcissistic take on this. Dave Chappell can go up there and say knock knock jokes all day and make a shit load of money. He doesn’t need the money at all. He has been discussing this trans thing for quite some time now if you actually pay attention to him, he isn’t just doing this just because. He has been targeted, and he has been attacked to where people have tried to get him canceled. He has spoken about him being tired or this cancel culture stuff for longer than cancel culture has even been a phrase we use.\n\nHe even defended the guy from Seinfeld who went nuts during a show and was yelling at a guy calling him the N word. You clearly haven’t payed attention to Dave Chappell for very long if this is your take. And your projecting your ideologies onto him to try and make it seem like what he is saying doesn’t make sense.", "Until right now I didn't realize Andrew Dice Clay was Jewish, Andrew Clay Silverstein.\n\nSomehow that makes him a million times weirder \n\n\nEverything about this applying to Clay or other white men seems super obvious, the thing tripping up the normal flow of things here is it's a black man specifically going after the white privilege of an otherwise oppressed target. \n\n\nHe even gets into it with some of the Space Jews stuff, but a lot of it mirrors a lot of the 50-70s era antisemitism where a lot of people from other minorities felt the y were exploited by jewish people and often expressed the idea that a Jewish person could simply 'become white' whenever it was to their advantage. I think here he's largely saying these people have the resources of a white family. \n\n\nI don't think I agree, but it's a topic that a white media is going to have trouble discussing.", "> Gender Dysphoria\n\nTo be fair, this one has been around for decades.", "Eh, people can say \"it's a character, it's supposed to be sad\", but that's not how the audience is taking it. They're clearly reveling in the offensive things he's saying. \n\nIt's like Archie Bunker in \"All in the Family\" was meant to be an archaic relic of a prior time, someone who was clearly wrong and would get shown up by his wife and children. But millions of people looked to Archie Bunker as a hero and felt that he was winning the arguments that the writers thought he was losing. \n\nEven as a \"character\" this ends up giving the audience a pass to agree with this sentiment. They see everyone in the room laughing and they feel like it must be OK to say. Not just OK, but something that you're rewarded for saying. If they had gay friends, coworkers, or family members, they came away from this thinking less of them. They kept some of those lines playing in the back of their head when they saw them again, and especially if that person did anything that annoyed them.\n\n\"It's a character\" is an excuse.", "I would never say we should forcibly limit comedy, especially the kind that makes social commentary. However, I still think Dave's special was in poor taste. Dave may have made all of those nuanced points and done it very well (I havent actually watched the special so take my opinion with a grain of salt), but he seems to have a complete lack of empathy for what it means to be trans. He showed empathy for his friend, not for trans people.\n\nAlso, why is there a need to point out there are \"good ones\" and \"bad ones\". That's true of all people from every walk of life. Ever seen a racist call his black friend \"one of the good ones\", the implication there is one of hatred and racism. Just sayin.", "OP doesn’t seem to think so", "Why can't he just be a comedian that tells jokes? \n\n\nNot everyone is going to like every comedian. Not everyone who likes a particular comedian is going to like every joke they tell. \n\n\nAnd in a landscape dominated by political views, political groups, and political media/critics - There is always going to be someone who will at the very least not find a joke funny if not be offended by it. \n\n\nThere are jokes that could be deemed offensive about every possible defining characteristic we have. Why should LGBT people get a pass?", "Sure if you ignore all of the context around it.", "Indeed. But Carlin's arguments do hold. Man... I do wonder what he would say about things these past few years.", "> Think Andrew could pull off these jokes today? I'm thinking no dice", "Right Dice completely bashing women and gay people is the same as Dave having a nuanced conversation about his personal experience with the trans movement /s", "And, you aren’t the arbiter of what is, and isn’t \noffensive (or dare I say, transphobic). That argument goes both ways lol", "As a white dude who grew up in the South I've heard a lot of people say \"I'm not racist\" and then follow it up with something incredibly racist. Dave claiming he isn't transphobic doesn't mean much.", "Yeah except he made gay jokes all the time lol. Specifically, I was just watching some of his standup stuff and he made the homosexual in a coma joke, “well he was a fruit, now he’s a vegetable! At least he’s still in the produce section!” \n\nWhich isn’t terrible, but still not tasteful. He’s also used the N word, full -er in his standup. The difference is context. This is what people are missing from the Dave Chapelle situation. The context in which those jokes came from, and the context which they are used. But now context is gone and only the hurtful jokes remain.", "Agreed. I'm not one to put word in the mouth of someone whose died, especially a genius by Carlin.\n\nBut if I envisioned a special in 2021 with Carlin (as he was in the 90's) he'd definitely tear into the left and attempting to control what people can and can't say.\n\nHowever, he'd rip Trump and the right wing just as much if not more so.", "This is a dog shit take. At the top you say he claims he’s a TERF, then makes offensive jokes about trans people, but then somehow is making good points about society, not punching down, and how it’s the Twitter mob’s fault his trans friend took her life? And somehow people are missing the context because of headlines rather than, you know.. the offensive jokes about trans people? Conveniently ignoring the fact that jokes at the expense of trans people tend to make trans people less safe and accepted. People want this to be some brilliant, nuanced discussion chapelle is having with his audience, but I feel like it’s pretty binary here. Don’t make shitty jokes about trans folks’ genitals. The end. He should apologize and fucking move on.", "This is a terrible comparison.", "Growing up, I never knew anyone that liked him. But he was EVERYWHERE.", "Eh, I agree. He's still funny, just as you both said, the topics he chooses to cover simply aren't that funny. I get it, he's reaching the \"preaching\" stage of his career, where he's old and wise, all that shit, and wants to share it with people. Cool.\n\nThat being said, Chapelle Show was literally the best comedic show I've ever seen (at least in my opinion). If he were to tap into that again, maybe make a show or do skits like he used to, he'd be fucking killing it. Unfortunately, considering his last couple of shows, I'm honestly not exactly excited or apprehensive for his next one, which is a shame because I fucking LOVE his work, at least the work that I actually like.", "Yes they have always been separate, you just may not have heard it articulated. \n\nFor example you have never had to confirm someone's Biological Sex before calling them he or she. You don't have to confirm someone's genitalia or chromosomes before you assumed they were a man or a woman.\n\nGender has always been a set of social norms that's separate from our actual Sex. It's just no longer acceptable to insist that someone's gender identity match their biological sex .", ">Went after a group of twitter activists he thinks hurt his friend.\n\nI will keep saying it. Both Daphne's roommate at the time of her death and Daphne's sister both said it had nothing to due with harassment and I'd also like to add that as of yet, not a single person has provided proof that she was harassed over the incident.", "100% I don’t agree with a lot of what he said but I think his heart was in the right place, he’s just navigating a new world and trying to cope with existing in it.", "Punching down? Chapelle is black. He made jokes about EVERYONE in his specials. Blacks, Jews, Whites, Asians, Christians, LGBTQs. Its not punching down when he punches at everyone. The whole point of his comedy is to give no group a special pass from being joked about.", "There has probably never been an interest in differentiating the two. \n\nEven the modern definitions seem confused/controversial:\n\nOxford: \n\n> either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.\n\"a condition that affects people of both genders\"\n\nWebster:\n\n> 2a : sex sense 1a the feminine gender\n\n> b : the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex\n\n\nHere is what is says beneath the Webster definition too: \n\nAre gender and sex the same? Usage Guide\n\nNoun\n\nThe words sex and gender have a long and intertwined history. In the 15th century gender expanded from its use as a term for a grammatical subclass to join sex in referring to either of the two primary biological forms of a species, a meaning sex has had since the 14th century; phrases like \"the male sex\" and \"the female gender\" are both grounded in uses established for more than five centuries. In the 20th century sex and gender each acquired new uses. Sex developed its \"sexual intercourse\" meaning in the early part of the century (now its more common meaning), and a few decades later gender gained a meaning referring to the behavioral, cultural, or psychological traits typically associated with one sex, as in \"gender roles.\" Later in the century, gender also came to have application in two closely related compound terms: gender identity refers to a person's internal sense of being male, female, some combination of male and female, or neither male nor female; gender expression refers to the physical and behavioral manifestations of one's gender identity. By the end of the century gender by itself was being used as a synonym of gender identity.\n\nAmong those who study gender and sexuality, a clear delineation between sex and gender is typically prescribed, with sex as the preferred term for biological forms, and gender limited to its meanings involving behavioral, cultural, and psychological traits. In this dichotomy, the terms male and female relate only to biological forms (sex), while the terms masculine/masculinity, feminine/femininity, woman/girl, and man/boy relate only to psychological and sociocultural traits (gender). This delineation also tends to be observed in technical and medical contexts, with the term sex referring to biological forms in such phrases as sex hormones, sex organs, and biological sex. But in nonmedical and nontechnical contexts, there is no clear delineation, and the status of the words remains complicated. Often when comparisons explicitly between male and female people are made, we see the term gender employed, with that term dominating in such collocations as gender differences, gender gap, gender equality, gender bias, and gender relations. It is likely that gender is applied in such contexts because of its psychological and sociocultural meanings, the word's duality making it dually useful. The fact remains that it is often applied in such cases against the prescribed use.\n\nUsage of sex and gender is by no means settled. For example, while discrimination was far more often paired with sex from the 1960s through the 20th century and into the 21st, the phrase gender discrimination has been steadily increasing in use since the 1980s and is on track to become the dominant collocation. Currently both terms are sometimes employed with their intended synonymy made explicit: sex/gender discrimination, gender (sex) discrimination.", "It is a bit frustrating that he spent so much time creating this character that was partly about exposing the ugliness in culture via satire and humor and gleeful profanity. True, he was always in character onstage, and there may have been people who were amused because they actually believed the abhorrent views Dice displayed. But there were people who genuinely believed that Stephen Colbert was a conservative pundit when he made The Colbert Report. There is more to Andrew Dice Clay than a youtube clip of some of his bits.", "So the joke is that a surgically crafted vagina isn't a \"real\" vagina.\n\nI still don't see that as funny just by making a spurious contrast with a veggie burger vs. a meat burger. I wouldn't tell a joke about someone who's face was surgically reconstructed after a fire isn't a real face, or who have a pacemaker that their heart isn't a real heart, or that an adopted child isn't someone's real child. Telling someone with gender dysphoria that their attempt to look like the biological sex they identify with is never going to be real is just a dick thing to say and not at all funny.", "Jews control media. Who cares if he’s a transphobe. Doesn’t he have a right to be? We don’t give this many shits about people who are scared of spiders do we?", "There is ZERO chance George would have been OK with Dave being censored. \nHere's George on PC culture: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9n8Xp8DWf8", "Gender being acknowledged as a social construct happened well before Daves time the only reason he wouldn't get it is if he was never taught it or read it himself. Which could very well be true but not being educated when you know you're going to be making this kind of lecture/comedy special is not really an excuse.", "How downvoted this comment is I think tells me everything I need to know about what the rest of the comments are like on this thread. No need to read further. 🙄", "Not who you responded to, but Dave only seemed to conflate sex and gender. He's right that trans-women are biologically not women and thats where his \"team TERF\" stops. He still respects them and refers to them as women. That was the final joke \"I knew your father and he was a wonderful woman\". He said nothing about undermining rights of others.", "HIS FRIEND DID NOT DIE DEFENDING HIM. The fact that this keeps getting spouted is fucking gross and exactly why people have an issue with his special.", "Lmao uhh yes I went to college what the fuck are you trying to say if I went to college I should be outraged at a damn comedy special like you are?", "I don't really see how you defend calling yourself a TERF.", "k.", "The punchline has the same meaning. “They’re not real women and I’m laughing about that.” The punchline of the joke is “trans people existing is funny.”", "Dude, if you remove the marginalization totem twitter would disappear..", "to be clear, I’m not talking about cancel culture by posting this. A lot of people seem to be thinking I’m saying George would be for canceling Dave lol I’m not saying that.\n\nI’m more talking about why Daves special got people so outraged and the concept of “punching down” when joking about a minority group.", "Dave Chapelle literally said that he has always been picking on white people in closer… did everyone forget that?", "People aren't really providing the context. People keep saying \"context\" and then just providing quotes of him saying \"I love trans people\". Like you don't just get to say transphobic shit and then say \"but I totally have no issue with trans people\". That's not context. That's just him feeding bullshit to stupid people.", "> That's not at all what I said, no.\n\nYes, I agree that's not what you said but that's what you were implying.\n\n>you make fun of the powerful and wealthy, not of those already marginalized and weak.\n\nSo that's the only type of comedy we are allowed to do? But you just said making fun of the majority is okay? So now it's just for the powerful and wealthy? You are sounding like the early draft of the anti hate reddit post which basically said making fun of majorities by minorities is fine and got a lot of backlash. Are you sure you aren't a racist?\n\n> I don't know what's so fucking hard to understand about this concept.\n\nThat you are an unfunny angry person who can't apply critical thinking?", "I’m watching a bully just wailing on this nerd, just beating the shit out of him. After it’s all done, the nerd is all bloody and bruised, and I go up to them and I punch the two in their face. Is the effect for both of them really even?", "For sure he would without a doubt. I just find it hilarious that this guy was trying to make Carlin even remotely sound like he was just attacking people on the right. \n\nI think this guy doesn’t know what George’s most famous set is was and how he made an amazing point by doing it knowing he would get arrested for his speech alone.", "Agreed, what's weirder is I don't think he ever called himself a TERF. I recall him mentioning someone called him a TERF, and I recall him giving a different definition of the term (which was essentially a standard feminist), and then identifying with that (a feminist, not a TERF).\n\nNews outlets are pushing the TERF thing really hard when I'm pretty sure that's not what he said at all, but it's very easy to take his words out of context in print. \n\nExplains why no article has a clip, video or audio, of him actually saying it in context.", "Thank you for posting the video explaining the character. \n\nI have a difficult time to explain to many of my friends the appeal of Dice as a caricature. All of this fury over Chappelle’s jokes are bothersome. I don’t understand the difficulty in identifying those that are actual bigots versus a standup comedian crafting jokes around an idea whether that be a comparison of the special treatment of one group over another or a misogynist character.", "It doesn’t sound remotely close to what Chappelle said wtf", "He would have been the greatest of all time if he had continued down the same path he started with Killing Them Softly, but he peaked with that special. Each one since then has been less funny. It's hard to stay relevant and funny when you become uber wealthy and out of touch with the rest of society.", "https://youtu.be/mUvdXxhLPa8", "Its as fair to say that he killed her as it is she was killed by the trans community. Her twitter is public and there are like 2 people that said angry things about associating with Dave.\n\nHowever he had her open for him (first time he had ever seen her act) and then spent much of his act attacking and making fun of her set. She killed herself a little over a week later.", "\"Hey, you know how you're generally not accepted as people? Don't be so sensitive when a comedian undermines you as well.\"\n\nWith the utmost sincerity, go fuck yourself.", "That’s not at all what Dave was saying lol", "Okay sure but what if you've been made fun of for being pale or skinny your entire life? At what point do you stop laughing at the jokes or wonder if they are even joking anymore?", ">he has been one of the brightest minds\n\nThis is the only thing I disagree with.\n\nHe's not though. Take literally any topic he discusses at length and sit him next to a legit psychologist or philosopher and he'd look like a complete fucking moron who's ignorant as fuck.", "to those who haven't figured it out yet.\n\nLife is a big cycle, the world goes on and will go on with or without you, only the players/people change.\n\nOne day you'll get old, then the next generation will say, hey I'm doing this new thing, the thing you thought you invented when you were young, only to learn someone else in a prior generation already created it.\n\nSo on and so on and so on...\n\nScenarios will repeat only the players change.", "I was ready to roll my eyes at the thin skinned millenials, but yea thats too much.", "It is intrinsically funny. It’s the unexpected. We can’t change that. Sorry.", "Do you take any of his points seriously? Do you think he's said some profound stuff before?", "most of the stuff on snl NOW doesnt get a cough now lol", "Chappelle wasn't punching down though. He was talking about privilege with a nuanced comparison of the power differences between how racial minorities and sexual minorities are treated in society. And his point was proven within a week with the Jon Gruden incident. He was pointing out the inequality of the world around him, as he always has, with juxtaposition. And as we've seen over the last several years, people don't like having their privileges pointed out to them.", "Thank you for providing the exact reasons as to why what Chappelle is saying is dangerous. I applaud you.", "Remember when reddit said it was okay for minority to be racist against a majority?\n\nhttps://old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/hi3oht/update_to_our_content_policy/\n\n>While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.\n\nThat's the clown level you are at.", "What is happening now is exactly what he wanted to happen. He is making people pick a side. \n\nEither you think Dave is entitled to say what you said he said, and make a point about how de baby was cancelled after he said something homophobic, not after he killed a black man. \n\nOR\n\nYou decide because one line or two lines were offensive to some people he should be cancelled.", "One thing that's hard and ends up sounding like a cop-out is that not everything he says is the truth. Not all his stories are real. In this case, to me, \"I'm team TERF\" felt more like a set up for the joke about Caitlyn Jenner winning woman of the year her first year as a woman and a call back to his previous segment about him being a feminist. There is probably some truth to him having feelings that trans women don't really understand the plight modern women face seeing how they were men and get to lean on that. And that lines up with his other criticism of trans people being minorities until they need to be white again or something like that. Not saying I agree with any of this but it was my interpretation of the narrative his was painting.", "That whole story was just him patting himself on the back...\n\nIt's like the guy who says he's not racist cuz he has a black friend.", "Are we now seeing a black man and transgenered people as somehow being on different levels of acceptance in America? Where one is now the bully and the other, a victim?\n\nLast I checked Racism still exists just like transphobia. Apparently thats what you are ignoring in this conversation. \n\nIf you normalize all groups by joking and criticising them equally then youve created a social equality right?. And if you inversely make one group off limits to joke and criticize then youve now created a social disparity right?", "So you admit that that joke has nothing to do with some greater point about hypocrisy. That joke is laughing at trans people.", "Except, there's a very big issue in the trans community about not being accepted because sex and gender are often seen as the same thing.\n\nChappelle clearly doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about in the realm of biology nor psychology, but he wants to give his opinions still.", "The man was one of a kind. So glad I listened to his skits while growing up.", "It still happens, it's just people do it less/covertly, due to video and doxing.", "> Yes, I agree that's not what you said but that's what you were implying.\n\nAlso no.\n\n> So that's the only type of comedy we are allowed to do?\n\nAlso also no. Have you seen OP's video? You can make fun of whoever you want. It's just that you're kind of missing the point of good comedy if you're punching down.\n\nBut you are free to make as much bad comedy as you wish. Make fun of them gays, and the transgender folk, and the Jewish people. Anyone you like, really! You'll find an audience, I bet.\n\n> But you just said making fun of the majority is okay? So now it's just for the powerful and wealthy?\n\nIt's almost like there's a correlation between being part of the majority and being part of the powerful and wealthy.\n\nFucking weird, right? 'tis a mystery that will never be solved!\n\n> Are you sure you aren't a racist?\n\nYup.", "Exactly. It's beyond clear that Chappelle doesn't understand what he's saying, knows that he's ignorant but keeps adding, \"But I love you guys\".\n\nThe entire special can be summed up with \"I have a black friend\".", "It definitely is a relatively new distinction, like within the last 5-10 years. That’s why I pointed out that many people don’t know about it and that Dave likely made an honest mistake in this case.", "So Chappelle is \"picking on\" the trans community by saying \"gender is a fact\"? \n\n&#x200B;\n\nAnd you actually believe this?", "My family and I were arguing about this the other day and I gave ADC as an example. So wish I saw this vid days ago!", "Watching this makes me think of how norm talked about how comedians shouldn’t pander to the audience. When you just say stuff to make the audience agree they clap instead of laugh. This seems like a very good example of that. Just like Trevor Noah may pander a bit to the liberals; Dice panders to conservatives.", "And only make a few dozen million dollars", "Carlin was ridiculously controversial too, just earlier. His takes on religion and The Seven Words pissed off a lot of people.", "Are you taking his comparison to meat and impossible meat serious? That’s the joke. They aren’t the same thing but it seems like the same thing. If your analyzing comedy ina way to see if their comparisons perfectly align then you’re a fucking idiot. \n\nAnd what I said isn’t ignorant. It’s the truth", "And this is kind of my overarching complaint. Dave wants the benefit of “only joking” when it helps him but he also wants the benefit of “speaking the truth” at the same time. \n\nHe needs to accept that he’s making a serious argument about real issues that affect people’s lives. He can’t say the things he saying and then only play the “just a prank” card when convenient.\n\nI’m fine with a comedian making a joke. “Hitler did nothing wrong” is a joke. “Trans women are not real women” is not a joke.", "Same here, I'm a 37-year-old white American male", "There are plenty of straight white men trying to cancel. \n\nAlso Dave hasn't been cancelled nor silenced as he is still around and speaking. \n\nYou've also completly missed what was being asked of this special. If you look at the list of demands they're all pretty reasonable.", "Your title implies he's \"punching down\" to the same groups as the context of the dice/carlin video though doesn't it? I'd say chappelle's punching up towards a new group that didn't exist 30 years ago... these activists hijacking these movements with some weird societal arbitrary immunity, they don't give a shit about the context of their own movements. The sane people in these movements I see generally are annoyed by them as well.", "Did anyone actually watch the special? That shit was hilarious. You can make fun of people without hating them and there are silly things all groups of people do. Pointing them out isn’t hateful. It’s just like how if you criticize a democrat on Reddit people immediately label you as a rabid trump supporter. There are ignorant people on both sides, people make assumptions without having all the facts.", "It was the TRA's that labelled him a TERF. He got tired of trying to explain that he wasn't and finally said: \"call me whatever you want, I guess.\" It's entirely possible to call out the trans community for its hypocrisy and nastiness without being labelled as whatever the Twitter slur of the week is.", "Yes", "I think had he stipulated that then yes, he would be in far less trouble. It’s semantics of words though… he pretty much stipulated exactly that without using the word ‘sex’.", "\"I'm team TERF\" is pretty offensive.", "No, that specific joke doesn’t have a greater purpose. It’s just intrinsically funny to see a man dressed up as a woman. That’s why comedy movies often use it as a trope. It has nothing to do with laughing at trans people and their struggles.", "Daphne said it best: he’s not punching down or up he’s punching lines.", "Cancel culture is a cancer", "They did exist, Dice, the guy he’s referring to at the beginning mocked trans people back in the 80’s.", "Ok so first off TERFs aren’t people that “don’t want trans women in bathrooms”. They actively exist as a group to preach that trans women are not women. Essentially invalidating their existence. Being a tad transphobic doesn’t make you a terf. Being actively transphobic and making it part of your identity is being a terf.\n\nRegarding Ts in LGBT if you’re not in the community I can kinda see why you’d be confused I suppose but it’s a combination of mutual bonds and a lot of lgbt history that would take more time than I’m willing to type to explain. But yeah trans people are part of lgbt and that should never change.", "I don't agree that it relates all that much. Its easy to think that Chappelle is making jokes about trans people, but I see it as more of making jokes about people using a history of mistreatment against others as a way to put others down and quiet any sort of questioning, criticism, or opposing view points as if its the same those who would assault someone for being different. His jokes are a defense of liberal arts. If we get to a place where we can't discuss ideas and break down their logic then the world becomes worse. It will create more prejudice and hatred because now those thoughts can't be openly criticized.", "That’s not what he said that’s offensive.", "How can you classify his words as attacks? The special wasn’t ‘targeted’ it was in response to actions & backlash. Do you really expect him to get up there and discuss it at length without making a few jokes? He literally made fun of pretty much every ethnic group & beyond. \n\nBased on your other comments, you are cherry picking lines from the special to get upset about. If you actually listened to his message as a whole, and then critically thought about the (barely) underlying meaning, you might actually understand that he’s not making fun of trans people. Picking a line and spouting that it’s transphobic because that’s how you feel, DOESN’T make it transphobic. \n\nYou are upset about something that the LGBTQ community is upset about. It’s easier to be angry in a crowd of other angry folks, than to think for yourself. It’s sad to watch because it’s like watching the entire LGBTQ community take two steps back. He even mentions this in relation to the metoo movement- if you’re going to crucify every person that upsets your group formed opinion, you’ll have no one left & momentum will fizzle out just like the metoo movement. Pick your battles and grow thicker skin cuz it’s a long fucking road ahead.", "A weak group doesn't have the means to defend itself. If your group is a real threat to popular comedians' careers, your group is not the underdog.", "Yeah. I've said it before and heard Louis CK talk about it in depth about hoe it influenced him. Carlin was huge on not \"punching down\". If anything, I'd think he criticize Chappelle's weird love of punching down and then playing \"I'm a friend of them though\" in the next sentence.\n\nIt's also annoying that people still pretend like he was a comic's comic. He has straight up said in many instances he doesn't fine many types of jokes funny.", "It's shit like this that made SuperStraight a thing.", "Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist. They claim to be feminists but they're still bigots.", "Would you say the same thing about Daniel Tosh’s character and standup? Or do you think he is actually a racist and a misogynist?\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YzWq61bquD8\n\nHere’s a simple example. Is the audience laughing because the stuff he is saying is so ridiculous, or because they agree that women are inferior at everything he lists?", "No he didn’t. That is a big manipulation of that joke. The joke was outlining how the T component is making the journey more culturally challenging toward bigotry for the rest of the letters. He wasn’t saying it’s anyone’s fault, nor that it was their choice. He’s simply making a joke about a car ride which highlights the difficulty in the journey of their movement.", "Wow, great retort.\n\nBottom line is there's only one level this \"joke\" works on. Making fun of someone's physical appearance and identity. Sometimes that can be OK - if the person/group you're insulting is \"in\" on the joke. Dave makes fun of black people because he taps into an understanding that a lot of other black people \"get\" - it's a shared experience for him and them.\n\nDave isn't even slightly part of the trans community and definitely doesn't \"get\" that, and they don't \"get\" him, because it's not a shared experience. Dave's not being a pioneer here. He's picking low hanging spoiled fruit and delivering it to an audience that doesn't get it either. But \"lolz frankenpussy\".", "Ur just not funny and have a bad sense of humour", "Carlin was the most woke non woke person that ever lived", "What makes them white? Homophobia is much higher among black men.", "Lmao", "Yea, daves career is so in trouble right now. All this free press, unwavering support from his publisher, and the fan base that rallied behind him are struggling so hard right now 🤨\n\nYou are delusional lol", "Just the T the LGB are sitting there laughing with everyone else", "Couldn’t have said it better myself. So much of it has gone over people’s heads it seems", "Give me a direct verbatim quote in which he does that", "Well before his time? Come on man maybe in the circles that have brought it to the mainstream but to expect the average American to understand that distinction or to act like it’s something that isn’t a new idea in the social conscious I feel like is pretty disingenuous", "They arent talking about trans people. They are talking about the crazy political police.", "There's a few things I want to address.\n\n1. Dave was either fed wrong info or is straight lying about Daphne's death. There's zero evidence she was harassed for defending Dave and multiple people she knew have said it was not in any way related to her suicide.\n2. His impact might have hit harder if he didn't make suffering into a competition, and basically strawmen the LGBT community based on anecdotes.\n3. His impact might have hit harder if he didn't legit go with the \"I have a trans friend\" approach.", "What I've realized from seeing a lot of discussions on this is that most people still think of trans people as \"strange\" or their genitals as \"not real\" which apparently means its made out of fairy dust and rainbows or something. I don't get why everyone seems to believe that Dave Chapelle is lying during the whole special but I believe Dave was being incredibly honest his \"jokes\" are from his personal experience interacting with members of the trans community. The special certainly showed to me that a large amount of people still feel uncomfortable and awkward around trans people especially confrontational people. He definitely feels that white LGBT members are somehow hurting POC's struggle for civil rights which may not be punching down but its certainly punching sideways.", "Lots of us didn't find him funny even at his height. Don't get the idea that he was \"acceptable\" to society at large. Most folk thought he was a dirtbag, even if he made you laugh.", "I think when it comes to certain groups, it's depends on how legitimately hard they have it in day to day life.\n\nRednecks probably don't face a lot of significant prejudice, especially in their own communities, which can be fucking huge in rural areas. I'd imaged many are happy to live the way they do. Meanwhile transgender people get a shitton of hate left and right, to the point where they have super high suicide rates and some wind up beaten and murdered. And they have very, very small communities, possibly none at all outside the web.\n\nIt's the same reason you can joke about 'city folk' and people don't care. There's very little actual hostility towards rednecks or yuppies outside stereotypical jokes. It's not something you'd be regularly harassed about to your face and both have their own huge 'home team' where they're accepted so to speak.", "lmao", "Seeing a woman dressed as a man is also unexpected. Would you say that is intrinsically funny?", "I think it is important to remember that Carlin said that in 1990 when AIDS was an epidemic and people were afraid of coming into contact with gays, a literal gay panic. Andrew Dice Clay certainly makes gay panic jokes. It was only in 1987 that Princess Diana opened thefirst HIV/AIDS hospital unit in the UK. It was only in 1989 that Princess Diana gave an AIDS patient at Harlem Hospital a hug. It was 1991 when Diana was photographed shaking hands with an AIDS patient in Toronto. The historical context of Carlin's remarks should not be ignored when he talks about marginalized groups. LGBTQ+ people are much more accepted today than in 1990.", "Seriously how does this stupid fucking idea that Dave Chappelle is homophobic keep spreading? Watch his fucking stuff already.", "u/Konfliction, I respectfully disagree with you. I didn't see Dave doing something unethical.", "Even if that's the case, the audience has clearly fallen victim to [Poe's Law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law), and is laughing because they at least partially agree with these awful bigoted takes.", "Yeah, like in She’s The Man. Definitely funny.", "He is doing something great for society. Are you suggesting this cancel culture over disliking what someone says is a good thing?", "and you are?", "He literally premeditated the backlash so that he could say his piece. It's kinda gross when you think about it.\n\nHe set up how sensitive the world is, how the underdogs can still be bad guys and go after good guys.\n\nThen he said transphobic shit and when people got upset fell on \"told you\".\n\nLike no shit. Congrats on predicting that hen you said bigoted shit people get offended.", "It's literally the same \"hate the sin, love the sinner\" BS excuse to deny people humanity, respect or rights for generations.", "The difference is that Colbert’s character is constantly saying stuff that makes a mockery of conservatives. A conservative character saying “reality has a liberal bias” is making fun of conservatives, his own character, not liberals. With Clay he is simply making fun of gay people without anything that overtly shows that he is making of his character. \n\nThe plain truth is that Clay was capitalizing on anti-gay sentiment whereas in this analogy Colbert was doing the opposite.", "This is the only special he has dedicated to them. The rest were all general social commentary/critique.", "It's not just a matter of \"getting it\". You can fully understand the attempt to disentangle sex and gender and still have a philosophical disagreement with it. One of the big practical problems is that sex and gender being separate is kind of a ruse. It's used to get people out of the biological headspace so they can accept the concept of a male woman, but if you referred to a trans woman and said \"she is a male human\", you still wouldn't get a pass, even though you didn't technically misgender.", "We've reached the point in our dystopia where his like would not be allowed to exist. It will never be matched. Too much truth. This is not 'woke' truth that distracts people from the real truth, Carlin spoke real truth.", "In short - way too much drama and way too little comedy.", "“Can’t you just shut the fuck up so we can get where we’re going?”-gay people talking to trans people, according to a straight man. It seems like the whole bit is basically saying trans people should just suck it up and be quiet because society isn’t ready to accept them yet. Not to mention, he’s trying to commentate on inner-lgbt fighting as if he, as a straight man, knows the ins-and-outs of the community. I love Chappelle, and I love that special, but his attitude towards trans people is pretty worrying and not very educated", "so many people in the early 90s would have told you that everyone who was angry about this guy was just too sensitive and looking for something to be angry about", "Did I say I was?", "EDIT: IF YOU AGREE WITH THIS COMMENT PLEASE DON'T DOWNVOTE OTHERS THAT DISAGREE, THAT'S NOT THE POINT OF REDDIT NOR THE PURPOSE OF THE DOWNVOTE. THE TOPICS PRESENT ON THIS WHOLE SITUATION ARE VERY IMPORTANT, LET'S CONTRIBUTE TO THE DISCUSSION AND NOT TURN THIS INTO US vs THEM\n\n\nSo, the main idea in The Closer is talking about lack of perspective... How a joke could somehow attract way more attention than a much bigger message.\n\n\nThen, people bites the bait just as easily as Dave predicted, skipping the bigger point raised on the last part of the special over a previous bit where Dave makes a trans joke.\n\n\nThat's exactly why he referenced that rapper that killed someone and manage to have a career. He's not punching down on trans people, he's pointing the hypocrisy of online social warriors. When he said that Twitter is not a real place, he's not doing it for himself, but for future comics that might not be free to use their material because a specific individual or group aren't happy about it.\n\nUsing Carlin as an example here is nonsensical since he was also censored because of hypocrisy.\n\n\nSeeing how the idea of 'woke' people went from being aware of social problems and actually trying to figure it out a solution to just getting offended on social media is very depressing.\n\n\nWas The Closer funny? Not really.\n\n\nDo people have to protesting in front of Netflix help the trans cause? Not really.", "Many of these terms were made up relatively recently though", "I've seen Dave live a couple of times and he is a masterful comedian, but in recent years he has gotten so far up his own ass about being the 'GOAT' that he's completely lost touch. He seems to consider himself some sort of sage, or wise village storyteller -- no doubt there is some truth to that, but there are smarter, more soulful comedians than him. Also... 3 specials harping on about Trans people? At this stage it's getting kind of weird, man... \n\n\nAlso, while there were parts of this recent special that I found entertaining and thought provoking, and some of his criticisms completely on point, it felt more like a lecture than a stand up comedy set, and seemed to be angry at the wrong group of people.", "> It's literally just being an asshole\n\nThat's kinda the point of the Dice character.", "And? Does he have to be an expert on these issues to tell jokes? lol", "Even disregarding any controversy, I thought Chappelle's special was terrible. The jokes felt forced, like he was trying to ride his old tropes too hard. It felt like when a movie puts out too many sequels just to money grub by riding already established tropes. I turned it off after like 15 minutes because it was so cringe worthy. And I used to love his comedy.", "The fucking cheek of Chappelle to say he walked away from his show because the punchline of the joke was being misconstrued when it was about black people, and now not seeing that irony because it doesn't affect him.", "you implied it", "Rhetoric, oratory and wordplay were his domain. He reveled in it. It's one of the reasons I love him so well.", "I don’t think you have even the slightest clue about what’s going on do you…", "Yeah, exactly. A lot of Dave's fans became fans in the 90s or early 2000s. Robin Hood: Men in Tights got me on him. Killin' Them Softly in 2000 was fucking PERFECT. But that was 20 years ago and we've gone through major cultural and hopefully personal changes since then. Not like you gotta vibe with someone your whole life.\n\nNot saying this thread is similar, but I've seen a lot of comments on here the last few days that remind me a lot of \"shut up and play basketball\" type shit. Like Dave can't have opinions and speak his mind unless he's telling jokes for a very particular type of person, in a very particular type of way.", "He isn’t objecting to being criticised. He’s objecting to what he is being criticised for because quite honestly people are throwing heaps of intentions and words in his mouth that he never stipulated. Dave loved the conversation and the argument but not when folks are putting words in your mouth. I’ve watched closet twice now just to try and pinpoint an offensive moment and I can’t. He says a womb is a womb, that trans people are real and decent humans. He never delegitimises them. He says that they simply can’t have babies but that’s it", "Just bear that in mind the next time people defend Dave by saying he’s making some grand point. Sometimes he’s just laughing at trans people, nothing more.", "Wait till this muppet discovers what other comedians exist...", "You're just parroting what you heard other people say. Watch his fucking stuff instead, watch what he's saying. You haven't. I'm getting fucking sick of this. \n\nHe is very outspoken about the injustice against blacks. He points out how quickly the HBTQ movement makes progress, while nothing happens for black people. This causes people to freak the fuck out and say he is homophobic. \n\nYou are the delusional one.", "Just like Archie though, Dice is a buffoon. A close minded idiot. That's the point. It's showing everyone that has some amount of that character in them, that might be somewhere on the fence of racism or misogyny, not overtly but maybe the capability to have that in their heart, how _dumb_ it is.\n\nArchie (and dice) don't have to be shown up by the people around them. Everyone laughing at them is setting the message in concrete: it's not okay to have that type of mind anymore. \n\nIf Archie was celebrated and changed people towards the unsavory ideals that may have been espoused, how did gays get to marry each other? How is the #metoo movement a success? Same with Dice. If Dice sold out arenas, making people think those attitudes are okay, then why are we even talking about this right now? How are we less sensitive?", "Why is any of that unusual or problematic? Language is constantly evolving and new words constantly enter the lexicon. As if the Victorian era would know wtf twerking was.", "Also, Carlin seemed to believe in the best of individuals. Even at the end he says, \"I don't think Andrew means that stuff\". But he's adamant to condemn it anyway.", "I'm a fan of dark and low brow humor, but even this made me cringe.", "As long as people don’t have the funky idea to ban these old things we are fine. They must stand there to show how wrong we were.", "You're making his point lol. His \"people\" were slaves, the Ts are their own enemy.", ">Is the audience laughing because the stuff he is saying is so ridiculous, or because they agree that women are inferior at everything he lists?\n\nI know what I find funny or not funny, but I can't claim with any certainty to know why someone else is laughing at something, particularly when irony is involved. Can you?", "People are most certainly highly prejudiced against poor “rednecks”. They’re looked down on amongst people even in the Deep South. Of course someone isn’t gonna face a lot of criticism for living in a trailer… in the trailer park. \n\nAnd idk I see plenty of legitimate pure hatred for ignorant southerners on this site for example.", "Then explain what is offensive to you.", "I like that we're discussing the nuances and shit people like to excuse then the second people get backed into a corner because there's no defending Dave's shit logic it becomes \"it's a joke\".", "He perhaps had apologised to his peers in his own personal life. Not everything is on the internet. The Kevin Hart thing is annoying because he was literally someone who grew and changed for the better in the exact manner that the equal rights movements would expect an individual to do so, and then they punished him for it. He has become a more caring and articulate man and an ally to the movement, all for the better, and then society decided to punish him for doing exactly that. It’s like being angry because the movement worked", "> points to the extraordinary power of certain communities (The LGBTQ+) to cancel people\n\nThere are also countless examples of this not working, or backfiring. I don't think that group holds as much power as he or you think it does.\n\n> He even notes how they've been more successful in their efforts than other movements (BLM)\n\nWhy? Are there reasons for that? Also a question worth asking.\n\n> He postulates further comics as a threatened class who are being attacked for their views/comedy.\n\nThe fact that so many 'cancelled' comedians are still working with little to no impact on their career seems to indicate otherwise. Louis CK is still touring despite the fact he committed what many would consider to be a crime. Nothing he ever said on tour ever got him cancelled.\n\nThis 'cacel culture' shit is almost mythical. I say this as someone who enjoys the comedy of both Dave Chappelle and Louis Ck...", "On an honest note, I don't think Chapelle claims to speak for any community except comedians. The important thing to note is that when he speaks, it's from the context of comedy. Which means what he says has to be funny, otherwise it falls flat. Every-time he says something he's taking the risk that it won't be funny, and people will not want to listen to him anymore. So when he speaks about african americans in a general sense, or on behalf, it's a hypothetical version. He has never claimed to be an activist or a political commentator. He is only defending himself from people trying to take away his livelihood and censor what he can say. \n\n\nDave Chappelle in his recent standup in Nashville made a very important point is that this is not about activism, it's truly about corporate interests and their ability to sell views. Nothing he has done was against the law, it's only challenged people's point of view and offended a large crowd of people. The only recourse for people who disagree with him is to attempt to censor him by threatening a corporation to fire him. They don't want to debate him, or challenge his ideas they just want him go away. In fact, Chapelle invited whoever wants to represent the trans community to come speak with him but currently no one has stepped up.", "Ok? Then don't demonize someone when they essentially agree with you but you get hung up on semantics.\n\nHe knows exactly what he's talking about and has shown support for trans people. People don't listen to the entire context and pull their pitchforks out when he says the wrong word.\n\nTake [Patton Oswalt's bit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkKo1_RP_0c)", "Not a sidestep. You replied to someone who put an extreme amount of time and thought into the topic.\n\nYour reply to him doesn't really address any of his points. And, speaking of sidesteps--\n\n>Are there any points that he brought up that wasn't in my comments? Name them.\n\nYou probably shouldn't have replied at all, if you weren't going to put thought and effort into your posts. Lazy.", "The main distinction, though, is that Carlin was \"punching up,\" so to speak, at those in power (i.e. religious institutions) while Andrew Dice Clay was punching down at groups of people without power in society (especially at the time).", "Ironically enough given this post, Carlin went down the same path, though at an older age. I loved Carlin back in the day but his last few specials were just an old man bitching about stuff. Just like his previous specials I suppose, just without the humor. When comedians become activists they cease to become funny.", "Lol dont talk to a comedian about this type of stuff. Women have more rights then men now. Dave isnt punching down. Clowns.", "Pretty sure you're allowed, just that no one has to give you a platform or pat you on the back for it. People are always confusing ability with consequence. We aren't less free to speak our views, just that the range of views that exist without negative consequences has shifted, as it always has. The people with shitty outdated views are always eventually left behind. Nothing has changed.", "Chappelle does a lot of this. He \"crafts\" a compelling and insightful comedy story with a great punchline. But he omits details to make his point sharper. He makes good points but his stories themselves don't hold up to scrutiny, which is why some comedians should just be recognized as that---comedians, not \"modern philosophers\" or some other pretentious thing.", "This has to be sarcasm right?\n\n\"I'm team TERF.\"\n\n\"I'm looking for Adam's apples.\"\n\n\"Your father was a great woman.\"\n\n\"trans vaginas are like the impossible burger.\"", "Man, I miss George Carlin. He would have gone to town on tRump.", "I don't think he's laughing at trans people", "Oh, but it is.\n\nSo many people who seem to miss the point:\n\nNothing Chappelle said was deep or nuanced. It’s the kind of thing stupid people think a smart person would say. And, because ignorance breeds unearned confidence, they think anyone who logically can see through the absurdity of his defense of his own ignorance must nit “understand,” this brilliance he laid out.\n\nBut it wasn’t brilliant. AM radio ass have been making the same jokes and insults for years.\n\nDefending Chappelle being defended as “nuanced,” or secretly a genius for saying what right-wing pundits have been spewing for years is embarrassing. Literally dozens of amateur comedians have made those same insulting jokes already. \n\n\nNo one doesn’t ”understand,” the awful failure of Chappelle’s supposedly “nuanced,” take of making the same old lazy trans jokes we’ve seen already, and years ago, from shitty comics and right-wing goons. They understand it, think it’s beneath him, and that it’s exhausting to watch stupid people condescendingly pretend it’s clever for no reason other than it’s clever to them. \n\n\nThis is embarrassing. One of the most basic rules a comedian understands is that, if you have to explain the joke, then it wasn’t actually funny. \n\n\nChappelle has now pathetically spent three specials explaining his jokes about trans people. He WAS a brilliant comedian, albeit with limited actual knowledge of any topic that doesn’t directly affect him. But he’s now a tone-deaf narcissist surrounded by sycophants. And defended by most ignorant of his fans, who believe he’s amazing because he panders to their ignorance and shows that he shares it. \n\n\nIf you think there was something deeper in that special than his creepy, awkward, and—yes—fucking obvious phobia with trans people, you overestimate both his and your own understanding of the issue. \n\n\nIf the joke was so amazing and brilliant, it wouldn‘t need to have all the Edgelords and Dudebros here to defend it and ”explain,” the nuance and brilliance of how “I’m Team Terf,” is amazing satire….a word not a single Chappelle Stan has been able to properly use.", "Him being \"the diceman\" isn't funny though, and there's nothing I can see that points out or mocks the character for being archaic. He's just ... there.", "I think what Dave was l saying, was that at first appearances color matters more. It's that simple. He recognizes that you can be disenfranchised, and oppressed if youre white but unless that \"identity \" that marginalizes you resonates louder than your whiteness at first glance, you are protected by it. Other minorities don't have that luxury. So if a person that is transphobic or homophobic or an antisemite intends to do them harm , that fact has to be revealed to the bigot first. Whereas if you're a person of color, the option of being incognito is not afford to you. \n By the way , that space Jew bit was done first by Mel Brooks decades earlier and in my opinion though still funny, way more offensive. You be the judge. https://youtu.be/ZAZhtT-dUyo", "I didn't give you a longer reply because I didn't argue the merit of Chappelle's statement, I added the actual context that was (in my opinion) disingenuously left out by OP. So arguing about how acceptable/accurate what he said was is something I'm not interested in, I just don't like people leaving out some pretty important context when they're trying to make a point.", "indeed.", "If a group can get you fired (or destroy business opportunities, your reputation, etc.) because they didn't like something you said about them, they're not the underdogs. They have all the power.", "> but I can't claim with any certainty to know why someone else is laughing at something, particularly when irony is involved. Can you?\n\nHence why I asked the above commenter who said \n\n> They're clearly reveling in the offensive things he's saying.\n\nIt seems obvious to me that in today’s day and age, where we are commenting on a video about Dave Chapelle talking about trans people and getting into a lot of trouble, that a mainstream comedian, with a show on Comedy Central for YEARS is not actually outright making the argument that women are inferior, stupid, uncreative, etc.\n\nIt seems possible that the clay bit posted above is the same as a tosh bit today, but it’s harder to tell.", "Yea, Chapelle made it a point to say that if you listen to him carefully you will see that he isn’t anti-trans. But what I noticed is that he made contradictory statements. He would say trans women are women in one spot and then say he was team TERF in another. It seems like he wants to play a game where he can say both and then when criticized point to just one. It’s similar to a motte and bailey tactic but more brazenly fallacious.", "yes", "He talked about the topic for 1 hour and people are legit trying to say he only talked about hypocrisy. Did Dave choose to mislabel them? Did he compare trans vaginas to the Impossible Burger? Did he say he was team TERF?\n\nHe 1000% was punching down.", "You are certainly titled to your own opinion, but if it takes that many words to express it, you might be over-compensating...", "Sorry, I didn't know you made the rules on what can be joked about and what can't.\n\nEveryone has their own opinion on what is funny and why it is funny. Patrice O'Neal could argue this better than I can, so I'll just let him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwk-BQ4Mc0Y", "God imagine being such a nazi you think people shouldnt be allowed to joke about anything unironically...", "Dude all his points were water tight and you didn’t respond to a single one…", "Yeah, but that’s all a nice way of saying you don’t want to admit that your hero is a pretty ignorant dick who has a creepy hangup with trans people, and it must be everyone else’s fault.", "That's literally what he said in this very clip.. hence is why OP posted it.", "Lol at LGBTQ folks still pretending they have no political power. The whole point of Chappel’s special was that LGBTQ people have far more power than blacks.", "His take on climate change alone would make him an outcast on Reddit today.", "Anyway, here's Bill Hicks with the News...", "Carlin was a genius wordsmith and certainly a smart man, but he was just a really good comedian at the end of the day. Radiolab covered his bit about PTSD and how wrong he got it and ever since I’ve realized that his thoughts need to be seen as humor first, and very smart worldviews after scrutiny only.\n\nhttps://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/segments/words-will-never-hurt-me", "What are you even talking about? Did you even watch the clip you posted, do you understand the words he is saying? He is saying a jewish man should be careful about criticising other minorities, because jewish people also get it bad. \n\nYou post this, with the title \"explaining the Dave Chappelle situation\" - a black comedian who is (falsely) accused of being transphobic. \n\nHow did you think people were going to interpret this?", "I think he's past the point of creating fake outrage for viewership, personally.\n\nThe dude was doing shows in cornfields in the middle of Ohio during Covid. He's done marathon standup sessions following his show where he just BSed for hours, with only some of it being funny. He's hung out for hours with random people that said what's up to him on the street.\n\nI don't think he's the type of guy that tries to \"Go Viral\", he's just telling jokes. Some of them are funny, some of them aren't, but I don't think he's trying to manufacture viewership just by being incendiary.", "Lmao literally trying to prove your point about punching down with some elitist shit like ‘guess you didn’t go to college.’ Guess you’re missing point", "You got one of them right", "He only has this attention because of the fervor of LGBTQ. Your group has cancelled his invitations to festivals and the only people willing to support Dave financially now is the CEO of Netflix and people who go to his shows. This group is a threat to his career and you pour out sarcasm because it isn't dead yet. \n\nNo, sir, you are delusional. ^(lol)", "Unlike when Dave took 72 minutes to express his opinions about trans people...", "Not really. He may have had some poorer views, but he straight up did not want to attack or did \"underdogs\". He said he didn't find gay jokes funny.", "Punch down yes, but the issue here is that people feel once a minority gains power and starts to use it to incite conflict or cancel opinions, then they are fair game", "Honest question for anyone patient enough to explain it to me. How do you draw the line between someone being considered a TERF vs. like....not completely ignoring the life experiences/perspectives/issues unique or common to those who are biologically female?", "Thanks for the post bud… incredible how times and humour changes.. I would if my kids will find Chappell, rogan, and others alike funny.. I guess only time will tell..", "Considering he has lgbt people defending him, i think you're the one in the echo chamber. You know it is possible for an outsider to learn a culture through peers...", "He's a standup comedian. You're making a comment on Reddit. These aren't comparable contexts.\n\nAlso, he talked about far more than just trans people. Sounds like you haven't actually seen it...", "I was in college when Dice was big. I remember bunches of us gathering in a room at the fraternity house watching and thinking it was the most ground groundbreaking comedy ever. Several of us on a group chat agrees recently to go back and watch it to see how it held up. None of us made it more than five minutes.", "And millions more people looked at Archie Bunker as an archaic relic of a prior time. As an artist, writer, comedian, you can't be held responsible for the entire spectrum of humanity and how they view and respond to your content. If you want a world where creators have to constantly consider how fringe elements view their content, you've entirely stymied the creative process. \n\nContent creators should never have to ask for permission, or seek forgiveness, for their creative output. They should rightfully expect the consumers of that content to have the freedom to perceive it through their lenses as an individuals, colored by their unique experiences. \n\nYou're advocating for a bland 1950's approach to entertainment. Censors and wrong-speak/think. But unlike the 50s where you couldn't talk about religion or say certain words, but racism and sexism were ok, you'd exchange those for a ultra-politically correct set of acceptable topics, You're just exchanging one form of oppression for another under the guise of creating a more inclusive and safe world. All at the expense of creative freedom.", "I wanna know if chapelle gave the chapelle show crew he abandoned Netflix money.", "How is it a nuanced \"conversation\" when it's literally Chappelle on stage by himself calling himself a TERF.\n\nMost fans who watch his special aren't coming away from it more enlightened lol. More often than not, they're becoming more dismissive of actual LGBTQ rights, in some cases becoming more hateful. Chappelle himself had to call those fans out in his special previous to this recent one.", "Out of context, of course it is.\n\nComedians say offensive shit all the time. He also said he came in the face of a pastor that molested him in The Closer, I'm sure that offended someone.", "It’s ridiculous to honestly believe he’s a radical feminist. Actually a hilarious jab at made up acronyms too.", "And the overwhelming majority of trans people say they were hurt. Like I keep seeing \"his friend would have loved it\". Okay, because I can show you 100 trans people that didn't.", "That’s just it. \n\n\nWe’ve gotten to the point that we’ve labeled a guy who was good at addressing essentially ONE issue very well, and decided he’s a genius in general. \n\n\nBut he’s not. He’s sheltered, spoiled, and surrounded by sycophants. He’s a massive narcissist, and convinced that everything he says is factual and brilliant….surrounded By people who tell him so all the time…and defended by people who think his shared ignorance makes them also intelligent And informed. \n\n\nBut, if it doesn’t directly affect him? He’s totally fucking clueless, and embarrassingly so. \n\n\nThe whole special is a lot of him dealing with the fact he has a problem with trans women, can’t stop seeing them as men, and wants to excuse it as not being a problem he has….but a problem they have expecting him to accept it.", "what is that about history rhyming?", "In The Closer, Chappelle explicitly says he is “team TERF” with no qualifying statement.", "Taking on the structures of power is a lot more timeless and compelling than \"lol, we murder gay people for fun where I live\"", "Theyve already paid him for the show.", "I mean, sorta. Andrew Dice Clay's whole schtick was just being offensive. Same goes for 2 Live Crew in this same era. Both acts caught on just because people found it so shocking, and the overall environment -- with respect to what media companies, censors, and the public at large was wiling to allow -- had evolved to where this stuff hit the mainstream. Both acts shared something else in common: they sucked. Once the shock wore off, people lost interest, and Clay and 2 Live Crew (thankfully) faded rapidly.\n\nI don't know that we've really progressed all that much in the interim. I think maybe we've just become so inured to this sort of content that it doesn't catch our attention.\n\nWhile I think Chappelle deserves exactly the same criticism that Carlin is dishing out, there's still a huge difference between Chappelle and Andrew Dice Clay. Chappelle's humor offers way more bite and social critique.", "I didn’t say anyone was in an echo chamber. I just mean to say, he’s not only commenting on the LGBT community, but literally community in-fighting, something you really cannot know about unless you belong to the community. He’s wrong, most of the LGB actually support the T’s and will fight with them, even if the country is still behind\n\n\nJust stating that some people in the LGBT community support Chappelle is not an argument for why his comments were okay. I’m gay and I do not support his statements, but obviously I’m not gonna use that as an argument for why they’re wrong", "If they were laughing because the material was ridiculous, it wouldn't need to be structured like jokes. They're laughing at the jokes.", "No, you must made the point that he and his fans are so ignorant that they don’t even realize they just show how clueless he and they actually are, and that it mostly comes back to them wanting to excuse that ignorance as being something it isn’t.", "Pretty sure he said it tongue-in-cheek.", "The ubiquity of the derogatory term “redneck” on Reddit to refer to rural whites is evidence of that.", "I mean, it would depend on the joke no? I don't think many had issues with how the LGBT community needs to look inwards sometime. I think they were offended to having their genitals compared to the Impossible Burger or him saying \"I'm team TERF.\"\n\nLike if someone pointed out how some southerners can be bigots or how they hilariously support Trump, that's not an issue. But yeah, calling rednecks idiots and morons would be pretty offensive and obviously punching down.", "You're not a comedian, so why would you be joking about someone's surgically repaired face?", "You sound civil. /s", "You vastly overestimate the power of a relative small minority of the population. The LGBTQ+ community certainly has more power than it ever did in the past, but any \"cancelling\" is much more likely to come from all their heterosexual, cisgender friends who make up a vastly larger slice of the population.", "I'm guessing you're not trans", "Not a comedians responsibility to protect anybody. I’m a prejudiced asshole, until I saw that other comedy special hey now I think I’ll change my ways.", "i've begun to notice this same trend. It is okay to change your opinion on someone, but to attribute the need to have them do what you expect is stifling, limiting and all around worse for the artist. \n\nThere have been many artists that I no longer connect with, because their artistry is no longer for me. If i want to experience the nostalgia, i can easily go back and listen to what I enjoyed, but I've tried to keep myself from simply saying \"man they really need to go back to what made them great\". Its a hard endeavor but you gotta let the artist do what I believe all artists should do: evolve.\n\nChange is the only constant.", "Again, just because you don't think it's funny, doesn't mean someone should be cancled. It's almost like you don't understand what I'm saying.", "whooshin it up there", "I mean, it's the bane of modern comedy. I fucking love Carlin. Maybe my favorite comedian ever. I could not fucking stand his later specials. He was basically preaching at you.\n\nRight around this time it felt like getting claps was more important than getting laughs.\n\nIt's why Mulaney is my favorite modern comedian. It feels like he still wants people to laugh. Even comedians I like Jeselnick, Burr, Louis CK feel more like shitty philosophers now than comedians.", ">Ultimately he didn't say anything truly offensive\n\nI was responding to that. But, out of curiosity, what context makes it okay to be a TERF?", "All acronyms are made up", "I literally didn't fucking say it was funny. Where in my comment did I say it was funny? I don't think Ellen is funny. Do other people? Of course. Just because I don't think Ellen is funny doesn't mean she's not funny. Just like if you don't think Dice is funny it doesn't mean he's not funny. How is this a hard thing to understand? Holy shit.", "Ha agreed man, terrible take.", ">I’m fine with a comedian making a joke. “Hitler did nothing wrong” is a joke. “Trans women are not real women” is not a joke.\n\nThose are definitely jokes of the same calibre. If one is they both are. You elevating trans people over victims of the holocaust is sickening.", "As a cis, white, male you've completly missed the point about what's being said here and made it about you.", "Jeez.like ngl the hairy ass part and the guy hanging from the sign gave me a Chuckle, but it became pretty dark after that.", "It's a joke...if a trans person can't self reflect and laugh at the analogy of an artificial burger and a manufactured organ they need to grow up. Old people joke about being old. Fat people joke about being fat. If someone claims jokes can't be made unless you are part of that group then they are extremely insecure people.", "So, the trans community has been overwhelmingly vocal against Chappelle. \n\n\nBut you think everyone else should shut up and listen to the handful of supposed trans friends Chappelle supposedly has…? \n\n\nWhy? He used his other supposed “Trans friend,” as a shield, a punching bag, and a weapon to defend his ignorance. And then he lied about her death and allowed his fans to control the narrative about her death with that lie….all while he admits he never knew much of anything about her, nor did he attend her funeral or three memorials to which he was invited. \n\n\nIt’s real simple: When so many people are saying you’ve been awful and insulting and terrible and ignorant, maybe it’s best to LISTEN, rather than tell them how they don’t understand their issues as well as you do. Don’t also then smugly stand back as actual, awful, shitty people cheer you on for it. \n\n\nThat’s who shares your thoughts on this: ACTUAL BIGOTS. \n\n\nYou like that? \n\n\nThat’s just a dick move, man. Stop defending it like he’s your boyfriend. It’s embarrassing.", "I don't understand what you're saying? I didn't say anywhere that this dead man should be cancelled. Maybe reading comprehension isn't your strong point?", "You sound moronic.", "I’m pretty liberal. I wasn’t saying anyone should expect a pat on the back. I just like being able to talk to Republicans openly, and I don’t know that we have too many opportunities to do that in very many places.", "This is just not true. Comedians much like any celebrity can and do shape society.\n\nChappelle himself said this when talking about quitting his show because black people were starting to be seen as the joke rather than in on the joke. I guess he just doesn't include trans in that regard.", "Interesting how he didn't talk about \"friends\" claiming to be peoples' friends all while giving support to a movement that fundamentally opposes them.", "Learn from Chappelle: You never go full bigot. \n\n\nYou went full bigot.", "REEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEEREEEEEEEE", ">he chooses to cover simply aren't that funny\n\n>Chapelle Show was literally the best comedic show I've ever seen (at least in my opinion). If he were to tap into that again, maybe make a show or do skits like he used to, he'd be fucking killing it. \n\nYeah, if only he would keep predominantly making fun of black people instead of directing his attention on LGBTQ+ now he would be funny according to your standards.\n\nComedy is subjective. Some people in his audience thought he was funny, I thought he was funny, and I bet there are a whole group of people who thought the special was funny. I suspect that most of the people complaining about Chapelle's seeming repetitive material have either not watched any of the specials, or don't fully understand nuance. Comics have always been pushing the boundary on what is acceptable, even George Carlin was notorious for this. Hell, Norm MacDonald was dropping 9/11 jokes which some would consider to be in poor taste (I personally thought they were funny). When a group of people try to tell a comic that they can't make certain jokes they almost guarantee that said comic will make an entire special telling those jokes. \n\nFurthermore, no one really addresses the content of the material in these most recent Chapelle specials. When he was making jokes about black people on his show no one seemed to care. You even thought it was funny and want him to return to that. Now that he is making jokes about another marginalized group and drawing parallels suddenly a vocal group are criticizing him, including you. If anything, this reaction simply furthers the point he was making in his special: that online social activists care more about LGBTQ+ people than black people. You guys are essentially proving him right.", "So you admit it was stupid?", "I ain't reading your walls of text\n\nEdit\n\nYou're an idiot. You clearly lack basic comprehension. \n\nPeople like you are so ideologically possessed that you think biological sex is arbitrary and you think it's perfectly OK for people to be bullied to the point of suicide. \n\nNo one is expressing concern or sympathy about that young trans woman that was bullied to death in Twitter. \n\nYou are just a callous, sick, keyboard warrior, incapable of making a basic truthfully logical argument. \n\nIt is beyond me why anyone would read beyond part 1 of your 10 part wall text. \n\nYou need a new religion besides this fuckin wokeism bullshit mate", "You have no idea what I am or am not.", ">It seems obvious to me that in today’s day and age... that a mainstream comedian, with a show on Comedy Central for YEARS is not actually outright making the argument that women are inferior, stupid, uncreative, etc.\n\nEither way, it's not obvious to me at all the impact that the joke has. Even if that's not Tosh's intent, there's no way to know why any particular individual is laughing. [And, by his own admission, that uncertainty is precisely why Chappelle quit his Comedy Central show.](https://www.thefader.com/2016/07/29/skit-that-killed-chappelles-show) It's a very fine line between satirizing stereotypes and reinforcing or amplifying them, and the comedian doesn't have perfect control over how or why people in the audience laugh at a joke about stereotypes.", ">but became public enemy #1 over shitty comments\n\nReally? He's, what, in jail for them? Being hounded across state/country lines, persecuted, gone into hiding? \n\nNo? He's just getting a fucking response he doesn't like?\n\nSometimes, when you say bigoted shit, people treat you like a bigot. To paraphrase a comedian who used to be quite funny, \"you may not be a bigot, but you're wearing a bigot's uniform.\"\n\n Either deal with people responding to your opinions or keep them to yourself; no one's guaranteed expression free from consequences.", "This may in some way be true for a small number of the LGBTQ community, but not for the majority so that point doesn't stand.", "Stop Projecting. Just because you lack any principles doesn’t mean the rest of us do.", "She didn't say anything on twitter about being bullied to suicide.", "\"Punching down requires you to consider yourself superior to another group, Dave Chappelle doesn't consider himself better than me in any way. He isn't punching up or punching down. He's punching lines. That's his job and he's a master of his craft.\" - the late Daphne Dorman.", "This entire thread is about canceling Dave Chappele. It's relevant to the conversation. You on the other hand don't seem capable of responding without insulting me.", "> He is challenging us from insulating our views to criticism.\n> \n> His method of criticism is comedy. \n\nThen why is he to hell bent people silencing his critics? \n\nHe blamed LGBTQ people for cancelling JK Rowling. But JK Rowling was never cancelled. She's still with her publisher, writing stories about cross dressers who are predators. \n\nWhat happened is that people expressed what they saw and heard. And not just for 'stating an opinion'. She wrote an entire manifesto which insinuated that trans women were just sexual predator men in disguise. \n\nPeople called her out on her temperament and incorrect facts. Chappelle tore into those people, saying what they did was wrong. He wants to silence those people. He lied about them, saying that she was actually cancelled, and just for stating an opinion. His agenda is to make portray them as rabid. And people are calling him out on this. \n\nYou're making the case that he's just 'challenging' people. If you really believed this, then why are you trying to prevent Chappelle from being challenged? A person with a huge media platform, and tons of further media that will report any statement he makes off the cuff. But it's the people with twitter accounts with less than 10 followers who should be silenced?", "On top of it, this was all setup to the point about cheapening the struggle of biological womens’ life experience. \n\nI shudder to think that we’re so ADD that jokes must always be delivered in the same approved, quotable, time boxed, setup-punchline format. \n\nSo the person you’re replying to not only missed the punchline, they missed the point that was made due to the cheap laugh punchline.", "> I don’t get the woke mob coming for comedy because it hurts their feelings. \n\nWho cares if you don't get it? Are your feelings hurt?", "That's possibly not true but you do not know that so don't act like you do", "A Trump rally.", "> You can fully understand the attempt to disentangle sex and gender and still have a philosophical disagreement with it.\n\nSure you can, except Dave doesn't. He very clearly stated that he believes trans women are women he says \"Empathy is bisexual, it goes both ways\" he doesn't disagree with the notion or reality of trans people. You superimposing your belief that they aren't real or that its some kind of \"ruse\" is hijacking his actual message.", "Maybe, I just know that he knows they get upset when he makes jokes about them, and knowingly still tells said jokes. For whatever reason, whether it be exposure/money, his own amusement, whatever it is. He just knows there will be a reaction but still does it anyway.\n\nEither way, it seems to be working. His shows seem to be doing quite well, and Netflix is making a pretty big statement by having his back. It could make a few other comedians decide to work with them, knowing if they tell a joke that offends some people (but is within appropriate bounds, whatever they might be) Netflix won't immediately drop them.\n\nAs I said initially, he's smart. Well, smart enough to be considered an amazing comedian, so he's doing something right at least. He just knows that telling jokes about trans people tends to garner a lot of negative attention from that community, whatever his end goal may be.\n\nI watched something just recently where he openly mentioned that he wanted to meet with the.. I guess trans community in general, and talk about his jokes and views on trans people, issues, etc. Seemed pretty genuine, and I'll be interested to see how that goes, provided it actually happens and doesn't end up being a bunch of people yelling at him or something.", "My comment was about whether or not dudes shitty fucking act was funny or not. It wasn't. So shut the fuck up until you learn how to read dumbass.", "I took much of his special to be him literally saying that he doesn't understand, and his explaining of the TERF bit was him showing what his logic is as the evidence for why he doesn't understand. He recognizies this as the show continues and ultimately concludes that it doesn't matter that he doesn't understand, what matters is that he acknowledges that the people being discussed are \"having a human experience.\" \n\n\n Maybe I read too much into it, but that's how the special appeared to me. Individual bits would undoubtedly be offensive, but I felt like the entire point was to get you to that line from Daphne. Recognizing that he's never going to get it, but ultimately that's not the most important thing compared to remembering that trans people are people first and need to be respected as such. \n\n\nI'm not saying anyone should or shouldn't be offended, please have your own reactions to this, it's just how it appeared to me.", "> I think he's past the point of creating fake outrage for viewership, personally.\n\nLong past that stage. Like the above comment said, everything he said was crafted and nuanced.", "So people can joke about hitler killing jews but not trans women? The fuck is wrong with you?", "Being a Nazi is hardly the same as being gay or trans", "It's kind of iconic for that era of comedy. This was a decade or so after Redd Foxx was among the more risky comics with \"You gotta wash your ass\" (Stand up routine which became a hit single) which became a huge success simply because he used the word Ass which was deemed pretty offensive at the time for broadcast. \n\nBefore that you had Lenny Bruce getting arrested and put on trial for saying the word \"cocksucker\" in a private comedy club routine.", "This guy: No one criticizing even watched teh special!\n\nAlso this guy: tldr lol", "I'm all ears.", "Tickets please! And if you cannot produce one, may god strike you down right here and now! See? Nothing happened! Because there is nog God, never was, never will be. Tickets please!", "> Here's the thing about that statement, if your not trans you're not the one who get to make that call.\n\nDoes this mean I get to tell people that are making fun of white men that they're punching down now?", "Everyone who says that horse shit was “nuanced,” doesn’t understand that word. There’s nothing nuanced about the hack bullshit he tossed out. If you call that “nuanced,” then seriously go back to high school and slap your teachers. Then go sit in your house and think about how they failed you. And then stop using words you’ve seen other use but don’t realize make you look just as ignorant as they are when you use them all wrong. \n\n\nHoly fuck, there’s nothing “nuanced,” about any of his narrow-minded stupid takes on trans people. It’s all flat-out ignorant gay panic bullshit.", "Ok. Then I'm just gonna say you're a pedophile. It might not be true, but we can't possibly know right.\n\n1. The people she literally lived with said it wasn't true.\n2. There's no evidence that it's true. Go find me some of those twitter harassments please.\n3. She lost custody of her daughter the week she killed herself.", "D...did you expect her to make an update?\n\n\"Suicide went great, thanks all\"", "I have no clue what \"the Fave Chapelle situation\" is and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.", "No, the message was clear to anyone who isn‘t an idiot or a bigot looking to pretend to be something else. \n\n\nHe has real creepy issues with trans women. That’s obvious. That’s the message. So do all the people trying to defend this ignorant garbage. \n\n\nYou can spot a stupid person by how smart they think Chappelle is about this topic.", "Exactly. Well said. He did zero research (it's obvious because he seriously cannot seem to understand sex vs. gender) and even if he did research he's not someone who has even the tiniest bit of experience of what it's like.", "This is from 1987. The audience is almost entirely Baby Boomers and young Gen Xers. They found him hilarious. They loved him. He was one of the biggest comedians of his time and sold out arenas across the country.\n\nMany of his fans are still alive and vote. Anyone who wonders how someone like Trump got elected simply isn't familiar with recent American history. A lot of people thought like this then. A lot still do now. Progress can't come fast enough.", "I mean no matter how intelligent you are you can still be ignorant, decent PTSD knowledge (as far as we know) is only really recently widespread.", "Incorrect he was explaining Andrew dice clay not chapelle.", "Not to the average person it hasn't.", "Oh great call me a peado. That's a fantastic direction to go in", "The context: He explains that TERFS are biological women that view transgender women the same way that black people view people doing blackface. He then says that as a feminist, he agrees with that view (\"I'm team TERF\"). He then goes into a bit about how messed up it is that Caitlin Jenner won a Woman of the Year award.\n\nIn my mind, the context is what makes the statement offensive. Saying he's team TERF isn't a punchline.", "The Dave Chappellle situation now is the same as it ever was- most people are too stupid to understand what he was actually saying. And of those, many have axes to grind so they can feel self righteous in their anger while doing nothing helpful at all.\n\nIt's an evergreen problem with humanity, unfortunately.", "Instead of explaining this to you, I’m going to make you use your brain for a second. What if a low level comedian made this special. What do you think would happen?", "Tbh I think he’s wrong that “we” as a culture care more about jokes than lives. There’s outrage every day about murders and crime, etc. The DaBaby incident doesn’t support his argument, because the same people who criticized him about homophobic remarks also wanted him canceled for killing someone. The hypocrisy came from the corporations canceling DaBaby, not the public.\n\nAnd frankly, bigotry against trans people is a life and death issue too, because that bigotry leads to trans people having a higher suicide rate than anyone else, and being victimized and assaulted more often.\n\nChapelle himself understands how comedy can promote bigotry and influence attitudes. He stopped his original show because he didn’t like how white people were laughing about his black jokes.\n\nAnd he should know better than to use an example of having a trans friend as an defense. That’s lovely, but if you told Chapelle that “I’m not racist, I have a black friend,” he’d laugh at you.", "Yaaa... That might be the least appropriate \"This is okay, this is not okay\" comparison I've ever seen.", ">I didn’t say anyone was in an echo chamber\n\nYou're implying it by saying he is a straight man and doesn't know the ins and out of the community. Like people can't have lgbt friends.\n\n>something you really cannot know about unless you belong to the community.\n\nOr....you have friends part of that community and they inform you...that's how communities work.\n\n>Just stating that some people in the LGBT community support Chappelle is not an argument\n\nYes it is...because it shows they understand that he understands. You don't have be a specific part of any community to recognize people blowing things out of proportion.\n\nEdit: My god yall don't listen and ride your agenda as hard as Republicans do.", "It's what's ironic about Chappelle and comedians like Burr and Louis CK and Carlin (my favorite comedian). You hear a lot of complaints like, \"I wish we were allowed to laugh again\". I do too. But most popular comedians are just walking philosophy majors.", "He called being trans the same as blackface wtf", "This very much so.\n\nI don't have a problem with offensive jokes, or a the very least I don't have a problem with someone who very clearly doesn't mean what they say making those jokes. Tim Allen getting up and talking about trans women is different from someone making jokes about trans women who has, in some basic ways made some in roads and shows human compassion. \n\nSo it's not about the jokes.\n\nIt's about Dave Chappelle getting up and mourning the loss of his friend, while continually pointing fingers at other people while, in basically the same sentence, calling himself (jokingly or not) a terf.\n\nI don't want to put words into the mouths of a deceased person, or pretend to know how and what they thought. Even if she give vocal approval to Dave's comedy, her own internal monologue and experience with supposed \"friends\" making \"I support you but...\" comments is probably nothing new. That very phenomenon has been a major criticism of people who believe themselves to be allies, or at the least \"sympathetic to...\". The need for people to smile and nod while supposed friends describe how they are allies, but only sort of, is something I'd assume a whole lot of people have gone through.\n\nI don't give a shit about Dave's jokes. It bothers me he doesn't stop to think, let along discuss, taking pause to think \"shit, was I actually being the friend I claim I was?\"", "He’s spent 15 years living in a bubble, being told he’s the GOAT and literally everything he says is brilliant. It has so affected him, that he dedicated an entire comedy special to being a whiny little bitch when his material wasn’t greeted as being amazing and brilliant. \n\n\nThis is the most pathetic snowflake of them all. And he’s making millions being a little bitch while Edgelords gush all over it. \n\n\nThe same dudes he left his own show to get away from are exactly the people that now adore him more than anyone else.", "Something along the lines of, \"The reason they call it the American Dream is because you have to be asleep to believe it.\"", "He's shown support for trans the same way a Repub shows support for black people. Treating them like human beings is the most minimal effort possible. He clearly has underlying issues with trans people.", "Andrew Dice Clay was intentionally playing a character that was trying to be as offense as possible. Him pushing the boundaries in such a way demonstrates that the hateful rhetoric he was spewing was offensive and unnacceptable, even then. \n\nIt is hard to really understand this bit looking through 2021 tinted glasses. Hard to imagine that Lady Gaga would do a movie with him if he is genuinely the character that he presents/presented.", "That would make you 3 years old at the time of this clip.", "Carlin was a really intelligent dude.", "It's pretty hilarious to watch everyone respond by saying how terrible he is and that no one they knew liked him. Keep signaling your virtues reddit. I also don't believe half the people responding were even old enough to be an adult during his biggest days.", "No you quite literally did “the comparison isn’t the same because beyond meat isn’t meat but doctors construct vaginas out of the same meat as nature”.\n\nYou quite literally did. If you want your side to look less dumb than it already is, at least own up to your stupid fucking thoughts", "Chapelle though is clearly punching up at a group with power that is abusing it.", "Not even really old enough to be the age group for Dice.", "That’s a weak response, dude. \n\n\n”Some trans people agree!”\n\nSeriously, its’ from the “bigots defense,” handbook. \n\n\nBeing critical of transitional healthcare is NOT the same as “I’m Team Terf!” And denying people their identity. \n\n\nIt’s astonishing that anyone is so ignorant that they don’t understand the difference.", "You need to change your name to conflation \n\nSince you're conflating unrelated things", ">People want everything to be easy and binary these days.\n\nUnless they're talking about gender of course.", "Jesus fucking Christ man. The idea that suffering Olympics is a real think is bonkers. Spoiler dude, you can care about two forms of downtrodden people.\n\nYou're just proving my point.\n\nI bet you wouldn't call Dave sensitive for quitting Chappelle Show because he felt like black people were being made fun of.", "I thought this at first also.\n\nBut doesn’t dave, a human like the rest of us deserve to feel how he feels? Why does his reality have to be skewed? He is merely presenting his reality, at this moment in time. \n\nThis whole exercise has been pretty eye opening … makes me rethink about a lot of “hated” celebs, paris hilton, kevin durant, …etc, we ought to reserve some empathy for them all imo", "Yes, the context of me making a 1 sentence comment about your ridiculous argument is in fact very different from Chappelle getting paid tens of millions of dollars to spend an hour shitting on trans people on camera. You're very smart, realizing that two unrelated things are unrelated.", "No he actually has lgbt friends and he fully supports them. How at any point can you infer that he \"clearly\" has issues?", "The phrase \"punching down\" is stupid. There is no objective measure of whether or not someone is punching \"up\" or \"down\". And even if there was, it's fine to punch down. Comedians often joke about the homeless, drug addicts, criminals, poor people etc.\n\nReddit and a lot of the \"woke\" community have a bunch of stock phrases they use all the time that really mean nothing. \"Punching down\", acting \"in bad faith\" etc. These are vague ways to classify something you don't like as if it's an objective status.", "Yeah. Transphobic comments.", "He's not telling jokes.\n\nI would say he should be decently knowledgeable if he's gonna preach.", "While I agree in principle, and maybe OP was cherry picking a little to make their point, I don't believe it really made much difference. The end result is the same: \"not a real pussy, hahaha\". I responded to you because you clearly implied it was now a joke.\n\n> but you literally cut out the most important sentence of what ties it together as a joke to make your point.\n\nIt was also in the format of a joke before-hand, albeit a pretty weak one. The comparison to fake meat might make it more developed but that it's still just a sucker punch dressed up as a joke. I'm a fan of Dave and think he has some interesting insight into many things, but frankly, I think a lot less of him for delivering it. It seems hollow and desperate.", "Holy shit what a needlessly argumentative response that was. Have a nice day!", "I wish you could spend a week as a trans person so you could actually have some empathy and then find out there is no pedestal.", "I love nog God. I'm very happy when nog season comes back around.", "Always individuals and never medical bodies or institutions.\n\nMaybe because the data overwhelmingly supports the effectiveness of transitional healthcare.", ">Come on man maybe in the circles that have brought it to the mainstream\n\nYou mean sociologists and psychologists especially those specializing in sex? \n\nI fully agree that the average American probably does see it as a new idea or to understand the distinction. My point is that Dave made that special to tell a story about his interactions with the trans community and if he was going to do that it should be expected that he do a little research, which in the special he does mention that he read up on that so it was either on purpose or a faux pa. Regardless, it doesn't make the statement \"Gender is a fact\" any more or less incorrect.", "Ah i think i saw this guy in an old tv show, didn't i?\n\nBut about his jokes, i'm all for making fun of minorities, but he was simply talking dirty. Even Jimmy Carr tries to veil his dirty jokes with less dirty, more creative language.", "I have been saying this for fucking weeks now and I’m pissed that you put it so succinctly\n\nThank you for putting in a way I apparently couldn’t.", "user name checks out.", "How does the Dave response to Closer get removed for R1 and this one stays up?", "Here\\\\s the thing, and you probably won't like it, but I can't help that. I could sit here and go through the special and say okay, here's the TERF bit, and it's off because \\_\\_\\_\\_\\_. He's the fake meat joke, it's off because \\_\\_\\_\\_\\_. Here's the pussy joke, it's off because \\_\\_\\_\\_. here's the hairy knuckle, adams apple, -- etc... and it's off because \\_\\_\\_\\_\\_. But that wouldn't actually do anything to help you understand the actual emotions, I, or many others like me, had hearing those. We could argue semantics and nuance and all of that, but the thing about words is that the message they deliver when strung together in a skillful way do create a response. And I can't make you feel that response if you don't actually know what it is to be the target of them.\n\nJoking about a trans persons genitals is just lazy and tired. Throwing around a term like TERF, after demonstrating he is fully aware of what it is, and then claiming to be team terf, it's hurtful. It's hurtful in a way I can't explain, but when you hear it, and the tone he delivered it in, it made me cringe. And we can play this game where we say he walked it back in some way, to some degree later, or that it was a linguistic device for him to make a point later on, but by the time that happens, if it happens in any way at all which is arguable, it's as hollow as hearing someone saying it's ok for him to rail against black people because he has a black friend.\n\nThe whole thing about Daphne was wrong. It wasn't twitter feedback that killed her. But his making it that, has sure as hell convinced a lot of people it was true, and that does nothing for the trans community as a whole. When he starts discussing the real life death of a human with a lie like that, there's no humor to be found in it. Scapegoating her own community for it... I mean wtf was that? Where was anything involving that funny?\n\nAnd the whole bit about gay people being minorities until they need to be white again just ignores the fact that the LGBT+ community is anything but all white. But his framing things as it being white gay people somehow, in his mind, makes it okay to punch down? it's lazy and not funny.\n\nI could go on, but I want to play with my kids a bit before the sun goes down and wrap up. The takeaway is I wish I could magically imbue you or anyone who wanted to know what it feels like to hear his takes on the trans community and his jokes the ability to watch that special and feel what I did and understand why those feelings exist. But I can't.\n\nThe closest I can get to explaining it, maybe, and it is still not potent enough, is to ask you to imagine for a second that there is something in your life that you fought for, were willing to die for, almost did die for and got through it to come out the other side. Something that was solely for you. To make you the best version of yourself possible, and you hurt absolutely no one by doing it. And then someone you don't know shits on you for it. Over, and over again. And in doing so helps enable other people to shit on you over, and over again.\n\nThat is why all this talk about it being edgy and nuanced and so misunderstood is kinda BS. I'd like it to be all a big misunderstanding and all his bathroom law talk the real Dave and the rest just an act. But I can't buy that anymore, not after 3 specials going after the same people. If the jokes and commentary aren't funny to the people they are about, they just aren't funny, and in this case, they feel hurtful, deliberately even.\n\nI can't ask you to understand it, but I can ask you to believe that when a group of people is largely saying that something like what he said is hurtful, you believe that to them, it is actually hurtful.", "Let me guess: You didn’t bother to ask anyone who is trans if it was offensive or not, but decided on your own that they shouldn’t think it is…? \n\n\nSounds about right. \n\n\nChappelle also seems to miss this point.", "Recency bias is a helluva drug.", "Seems you are proving his point", "Yes, this. It seems pretty disingenuous of Dave to start blaming other people while at the same time basically giving support to a group that essentially opposes the views of his friend. \n\nThat's a pretty big disconnect. He can state that he feels sympathetic towards terfs and also indicate that that very thing may very well be a driver for a lot of issues within certain communities, including the one in question. I'm not trying to blame Dave for Daphne's death at all, but he just displays zero awareness.", ">He was huge at the time\n\nLet's not get carried away. He hit big and hot with his first HBO special with the nursery rhymes and AAAooo! shtick, got banned from MTV for some shit (all publicity is good publicity), and parlayed that into one successful film. After that it was all downhill.", "No, he didn't.", "Sounds like you're the snowflake for getting wound up about a bit of inclusion.", "It's far from OK to be a Nazi. Nazi's deserved exactly what they got.", "It's not okay to be a Nazi.", "As soon as its legal to be fired from your job for being a white guy, id say absolutely. Try making jokes about black people on Netflix and see where that gets you.\n\nNot to mention calling himself a TERF, and saying he can make the joke because he had a trans friend who died. That's like saying a supremacist is okay to make a joke because he had a black friend.\n\nStop being irrational because you got offended someone dosn't like your washed up boomer comedian.", "There is a pedestal, having some working class people not endorse your behaviour doesn't mean you're an underdog", "If it's relevant, and Carlin's point is about \"punching down\", which it is, you're saying Dave is punching down with his trans jokes.\n\nThe thing is, Dave's whole point is that he's not punching down. Quite the opposite.\n\nPunching down is about how much power your group has, socially. If you're punching down, it means the group you're making fun of has less power than your group. Everyone pretty much gets that but I'm just laying it out for reference.\n\nSo, Dave makes the point that comedians have been making fun of black people, himself included, for a long time. Everyone has been okay with it because if any blacks have had an issue with it, they obviously didn't have the social power to \"cancel\" a comedian.\n\nThen he makes the point that trans people have successfully canceled virtually any comedian who dares aim a joke at them. That demonstrates significant social power over comedians. He also points out that they're able to cancel people whether those people have obvious malicious intent or they're inadvertently offensive. Intent is important when doling out punishment.\n\nSo, Dave is both black and a comedian. The trans community has significant social power over him and both \"tribes\" he belongs to. In summary, his point is that if he aims a joke at the trans community and they cancel him for it, they are the ones punching down.\n\nGeorge's point was relevant in the context of white male comedians in the 80s who were on top of the world with no threat of being canceled. Not so much a black comedian today, a time when comedians have to walk on eggshells.", "So, I'm pretty liberal but don't really understand trans. I had to look up TERF. I'd ask that if today women still didn't have the right to vote, would a transgender woman vote? I think you stand for what you stand for, but you still get away with what you can.", "I think you're giving Dice too much credit. He may have started out as some kind of social commentary, but once you get 50 yards in and see that the laughs are agreeing with what you're literally saying rather than your social commentary, you have a choice to make. He chose to cash the checks.", "hurr durr good one bro!\n\nhigh five", "Yes. He accepts the term he's been accused of: that was my point. He didn't say \"fuck yeah, I hate trnies.\" There is a difference.", "I’m fucking sorry, what? Are cishet folks getting murdered for being cishet? Fuck right off. You can be yourself and never worry about being killed for it. When things are equitable then you can talk about trans people abusing power. Trans people are just trying not to be murdered and ridiculed on television. Is that really an abuse of power??", "In so many words you made the \"one of the good ones\" argument against the LGBT community\n\nNo one likes that argument because it's bullshit\n\nI am LGBT , yes I found Dave comparing trans people to black face and saying he was team terf fucking offensive\n\nIt's easy to claim historical social rights victories as valid (stonewall) while chastising the lowest rung on the ladder right now (trans people). It's literally just hanging with the popular kids and chastising the nerd. Easy to embrace cis gay people but when someone is an uggo and not gender passing superficial redditors and fucking Dave draw the line. Non passing Trans people are antagonized constantly to a level I'm 100% sure Dave could never handle if he's having trouble with this shit\n\nI think he's playing the victim even though he's still 20 million dollars richer, trans people are no better off from this situation, all you centrist shit heads are stirring the pot on their name through no choice of their own. \n\nHe was punching down the whole time 👌\n\nHe's no hero and these jokes are nothing new", "Totally agree 👍", "I'm not blaming the people who have a problem, I'm more so ignoring them. Any point I would make is made in this post's top comment, so reference those points, because I essentially agree with that whole thing.\n\nI'm not going to have a debate that has been had about 20 times in this post lol\n\nI'm gonna watch Chappelle because I find him funny, and appreciate his nuanced takes on things from a perspective I don't have. If you don't like that, I hope it doesn't shock you to learn I don't give a shit. Have a good one", "Seems about right", "I think ultimately the difference is that punching down, as a term, probably doesn’t explain it best but I think it’s just the best term. \n\nThough another commenter phrased it a bit better then me that perhaps “punching sideways” is a better explanation for the situation, and punching down distracted too much from the issue.", "Society as a whole is in agreement that Hitler was an evil horrible bastard. So saying he did nothing wrong is clearly a joke because next to nobody thinks that.\n\n'Trans women are not real women' is still a widely held view so there's no way to tell if he is being serious or not, and absolutely no way of telling it's a joke (if it was intended as one) because it's a thing many people still wrongly believe.", ">He's, what, in jail for them?\n\nThe thing about being a public enemy is you might not have done something illegal and are in jail, it's that the public has turned you into their enemy and feel free to express themselves as such as they did.\n\nIt did lead to boycotts of the music, it getting taken off streaming services, and more negative attention than when he committed murder.\n\nEven in the special Dave said his comments were horrible, and had no place in the mainstream, but were they really worse than actual murder?", "TERF isn't a hate group. Just because his views don't align with the trendy ultra sensitive politics doesn't mean he's against the trans, he simply doesn't agree with it. There's a difference between disagreement and prejudice.", "Funny how you can equally misuse Carlin’s interview here to defend the end of Chapelle’s set where he asks Twitter warriors to stop punching down on comedians.", "I guess my point is that lots of people are looked down on without facing outright harassment or opposition. Again, there's many cases of transgender people getting physically assaulted just for being transgender. There's news articles about politicians trying to keep them out of bathrooms/changing rooms, trying to deny them transitional treatments, they may risk being disowned by their family, it can make romantic relationships near impossible, etc. \n\nI doubt many rednecks face a type of prejudice that severe, people may just turn up their noses at them long as their minding their own business. And yea people won't face a lot of hate in their own communities, that's my point. Many transgender people don't have a community of their own. They're often very isolated and can be especially damaging if your own family is hateful towards you.\n\nIt's like trying to say Juggalo's face the same prejudice. People may judge them negatively; largely because of their behavior not their inherent traits. However they rarely face someone that's confrontational, violent, or actively trying to restrict their rights.", "> At the end of the special he says \"stop punching down\" and he's talking about comedians\n\nWont anyone think of the millionaire celebrities", "> Your 8 part rant is a part of trying to silence people who don't agree \n\n...is what you write, in response, on a public forum, where the only thing that decides whether or not your response is appropriate and belongs are the mods. This is some peak \"I'm being silenced!\" rhetoric coming from someone literally shouting it on that platform.\n\nWhat the fuck** do you think the words on your screen even mean?", "George is talking about Andrew Dice Clay.. are we really comparing the comic stylings of Dice and Chappelle?", "There is also a big difference between saying, “call me whatever you want I guess” and straight up saying “I’m team TERF” with no qualifications. I’m not sure if you watched The Closer but it is clear in context that he really is taking the side of TERFs.", "I'm out of the loop: what's the hypocrisy exactly?", "Morons: We need to ban free speech NOW!", "I used to watch Delirious all the time growing up. I thought it was hilarious and I’m in the LGBT. But this is pretty bad. At least Eddie is actually funny even if he’s offensive. ADC just isn’t funny to me.", "Now wait a minute. How is it that Colbert is constantly mocking conservatives...but they don't know it? That is my point. Not everyone gets the joke. Not everyone can get the joke. That's ok.\n\n\nOur values and beliefs have been shifting for thousands of years, now we have a culture where change is very rapid and the exchange of ideas occurs very quickly. Our world is radically transformed from 200 years ago. Our world is radically transformed from 50 years ago. Yes, there is a strong residue of anachronistic ideas today. But you think you can just stomp your feet and say \"stop it!\" You think your yardstick is the absolute measure of right and wrong. And you're going to take your yardstick through history and declare \"that's homophobic!\" or \"that's transphobic!\" And you don't even seem to understand why that is problematic. \n\n\nYou don't speak for anyone but yourself today, and you don't speak for every person who ever lived. Make the positive influence yourself through positive thought and action, not looking at 40 year old stand up bits to see if it might be offensive.\n\n\nReally, this all has the air of the group deciding that Socrates must die for \"corrupting the youth.\"", "Everyone wants every issue to be binary these days. Except gender and sex.", ">George Carlin on Larry King explaining the Dave Chappelle situation almost 40 years ago.\n\nYour title and your statement here are not the same.", "I think you have a fair point there.", "There's so much bruh. Like I feel like you weren't listening if you don't think so.\n\nHe literally declared being team TERF. He undermined the plight of LGBT comparable to black people (acting like blacks can't be LGBT). Mislabels his own trans \"friend\", mislabeling contributes fucking massively to suicide. Etc. etc.\n\nMy mother who denies systemic racism has black friends too.", "One of Chappelle's points is that the majority of the LGBT movement are white. So they're not really \"underdogs.\" Looking at them walking down the street and they're a white person first. You only know they're \"underdogs\" if they go around flouting they're \"underdogs.\" \n\nIn one of his shows, he equates being born in the wrong gender as being born in the wrong color skin. People would laugh if he went around claiming he was a Chinese person born in a Black person's body.", "Lol don't waste your time. There's absolutely zero chance someone with the username antifaisracist has ever had a deep or original thought in their life.", "A) How? Please explain.\n\nB) You can be both, race and identifying as part of the LGBTQ community are not mutually exclusive.", "I mean it is a little bit weird and messed up that the woman of the year, was best known for everything she did as a man. they could have picked a transgender woman who was best known for everything she has done after being a woman, like Laverne Cox, maybe the Wachowski sisters, etc.\n\nI think that is the point he was making, not necessarily that she shouldn't have gotten it because she was transgender, but that it celebrated kind of the opposite of what it was created to support and celebrate.", "Real talk, were you swooping to Michael Richards’ defense when he was universally shunned for dropping the n-bomb on stage?", "you people go out of your ways to be offended jfc I bet you and most of the people here crying what a terrible person DC is didn't even watch the special all the way to the end, if at all.", "Or maybe we laugh at Dave’s standup because it’s legitimately funny!", "he views himself as an equal to you and sees you as an equal to him, therefore he's not punching up or down, he's punching at an equal. \n\n\nthose that claim to want to be equals, well here's Dave Chappelle, treating you as an equal.", "Just in case you actually don’t understand, when someone says something like that it’s perceived as a joke because in general hitler is considered one of the worst people ever. “It’s a joke, I don’t mean that for real”. Dave, however, means much of what he says and tell us he does. Except for sometimes and you don’t get to know when. So take him seriously unless he says something too wrong then take him as “only joking”. \n\nNot to mention there’s just no joke in the second statement. The first statement attempts humor by subverting widely held beliefs. The second statement could actually be interpreted as a serious statement. Which it is, by the way. He means it.\n\nI chose a controversial joke about Hitler to show that comedians can make controversial jokes. That’s not my problem with Dave. My problem with him is he sometimes means what he says and sometimes doesn’t and wants to choose which he gets held accountable for.", "You're trying to pin this on working class people but that's not the case. \n\nI would say you would benefit from reading trans stories or talking and listening to a trans person but we both know you aren't going to do that.", "“Your missing the context” when the context makes it worse.\n\nComparing being trans to blackface. Jesus Christ.", "Dave Chappelle's entire thesis is that the trans-community is now the authority. He honestly believes trans people are the ones in power now. \n\nJust so you know, having support in the small circles of the entertainment business, liberal media, and universities is not even close to true power. \n\nDo you want to know who has power? \n\n* Corporations that can afford to lobby for billion dollar government contracts\n\n* Police, judges, and prosecutors\n\n* Churches\n\n* Local, state, and federal government\n\n* Banks, funds, and financial analytical groups\n\nThese institutions actually decide on where you get to live, what credit you can get, whether you live or die for a minor infraction, where you can get a job, and more. \n\nDave thinking the trans community has more power than these groups, who are historically and currently anti-trans for the most part? \n\n#Dave must be smoking the good kush now that he is a multi-millionaire. \n\nFor him to say the trans-community is bullying him, makes zero sense. Has he lost his job? Has he lost his life? Has he lost his core fans? \n\nNo, he is more successful than ever. For him to say his life is harder because of trans people only implies he is making it harder for himself by not leaving them alone.", "Check out his other contribution on this thread\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qga9hg/comment/hi69d64/\n\nNot sure what he is on about", "Yeah it was tragic for me when he died, he was a real one and he honestly helped shape me into who I am today. I miss him but sometimes I think he'd be miserable in 2021. All the shit he preached about hasn't changed and has just gotten so much worse that it's normalized and we're all numb to it.", "Because his take on minorities vs punching up applies today as well for comedians. It’s an identical conversation, especially considering Dice is Jewish, as he pointed out.", "If someone pokes this bear a bit longer, it will eventually be revealed that it’s ‘unexpected’ because we have certain very-concrete gender norms and stereotypes, and a lot of people, trans or not, would say that that’s exactly the problem.\n\nFurthermore, one should at least understand why ‘haha but she isn’t a dude, she’s in disguise!’ or vice versa is potentially harmful to a section of society that isn’t playing pretend or being bawdily unexpected, they just are who they are but constantly are accused of being by the former type of person?\n\nMaybe it’s worth having a look at what makes something ‘intrinsically funny’ so intrinsic.", "and yet Hannah Gatsby's special was 3/4 crying about her situation without jokes and critics gave it praises.", "hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah", "This is exactly my point, the other replies not understanding the difference showcases the lack of thought here.", "Sounds like you have a hard time coming to terms with the racist tactics of white anarchists. You probably are one. Fascist pig.", "Yet it is the case, look at voting trends and political opinions by area, working class areas don't support this stuff it's middle class and upper class that do.", ">\tI think he’s past the point of creating fake outrage for viewership, personally.\n\nWell than you’re delusional. This all by design.\n\n>\tI don’t think he’s the type of guy that tries to “Go Viral”, he’s just telling jokes. \n\nLol. Good god man. Simp less.", "Any context where it's free to express your views. Having different viewpoint from the trendy feel-good politics is different from being prejudiced.", "So it’s okay to punch down but no jokes about groups of people who have been physically assaulted for being a part of that group? Idk this is all too specific and nitpicky for me. Some jokes are funny, some aren’t. Some are offensive, some aren’t. Can a black guy not make a joke about Asians? It depends on the joke IMO. Can men not joke about women? Again, it just depends.", "Link the Dice set that Carlin is referencing here for the slightest chance at redemption. \n\nYou do know the trans struggle started long before you were born. You do also understand the buffoon acts this way on stage to show society at large how not to act. \n\nThis has led to lasting change in society. Social media shaming has not. You are unable to get it because you didn’t live back then. Silent majority were supportive of lgbtq. Comedians going too far on stage and being laughed at is how dumbasses softly got the message they were the loud minority who un-ironically hated underdogs. \n\nWhen you realize who you are in this equation it will hit you like a ton of bricks.", "The comparison is purposefully controversial", "😂😂 please enlighten us more, oh wise one.", "Legend.", "Sounds more like you are the one choosing when Dave is joking and when he is not. When he did the bit about trans women not being real women he was clearly joking.", ">It’s real simple: When so many people are saying you’ve been awful and insulting and terrible and ignorant, maybe it’s best to LISTEN,\n\nExcept I did this, and what I heard was a lot of people, who didn't see the show, who didn't know the material had wrong assumptions about it and felt entitled to pile on and say what Dave was saying for him. Maybe you think this behavior is ok, I don't.\n\nThe same can be applied to Dave, if you listen to the content of the show I feel. I welcome you to bring up any specific parts you have issues with so we can discuss the greater themes of the show, but short of that, I am not interested with having a conversation with someone who can't let the people speak for themselves, and feel the need to phrase their words negatively to fit your narrative.\n\nBasically, by your code if enough people say something is true we should shut up and listen. I think that is a real dangerous way to think, and think maybe you should examine yourself for what you accuse others of.", "I think the people who are 'offended' either didn't watch the special, or they did and it went over their heads. He explains very poignantly, that for him to be 'punching down' on the LGBTQ community, that that would mean anyone thinking that thinks that the entire LGBTQ community is below them. I think he's correct. To think that 'punching down' associates to an entire group, that means you think that your group/your portion of society is better than them. Otherwise, you're either making punches at your equals, or punching up, both of which are fine. To class an entire group as below somebody; especially somebody who has a long history of making racial jokes about his own racial group and nobody makes a fuss about it, you're lumping them together and deciding they're lower than you/the comedian for whatever reason. Like Dave says in the special, he can call black people slurs all day, but if he uses one for someone in the LGBTQ community, suddenly it's punching down and offensive? Why isn't it punching down and offensive when he's using slurs about his own community?", "Why does he need to bait people to stay relevant?\n\nImagine feeling so self-important that you believe you are entitled to everyone's undivided attention before they should be allowed to critique your work. People don't have time for that these days. Trans people are trying to survive, not suss out the nuance of Dave Chapelle's comedy.", "Let’s try an experiment. Let’s say you never said you hate Jewish people. But you are a Nazi. Now you may not be, but people kept saying you are. Would you then go on to do a special that is seen by millions of people, that you are a Nazi? It’s a bit much to compare the two, but just because someone doesn’t outright state they hate transpeople, still doesn’t mean they don’t actually hate transpeople.", "Just try to find SNL's skit where the black civil war platoon has dinner with the gay civil war platoon.", "Most conservatives know that Colbert’s conservative character was about making fun of conservatives. Did some miss the joke? Sure, but they are few and far between.\n\nWhereas with Clay, most everyone was laughing at gay people, not laughing at Clay’s regressiveness. It’s the complete opposite scenario.", "Couldn’t make it in the Air Force to be fair", "Well seeing as you're not working class you should be supporting the trans community and putting them on a pedestal.", "> The merits of that punchline are a different conversation\n\nI'd like to think that this part of my first comment already covered everything you've just said. A debate over the joke isn't what I was getting at. To re-iterate, I don't like people omitting important information to try prove something, that was literally my entire point. Anyway, I think any further replies will just lead us to going in circles again. Have a nice evening.", ">\tEveryone has their own opinion on what is funny and why it is funny\n\nWell here I am voicing my opinion on the matter. I will add my opinion that Netflix should not be financing that. \n\nThis is all the issue ever was. Cancelling someone in this context just means asking your employer not to give a bigot 20 million dollars. Always seemed reasonable to me. Dave has a right to speak. He does not have the right to be paid millions. That’s a privilege that can be revoked.", "No he doesn't.\n\nThis is the whole point.\n\nPeople are so simple they can't see the nuance between a joke or a statement.\n\nWhat's worse is it's not one or the other.\n\nIt's insane that people don't understand this. He spent an entire special focussing on this issue and people just ignored the ALL of the points and summarised it with \" hurr durr not funny and transphobic \"", "Hey, just a couple of quick questions on that comparison to cops.\n\n* If a trans person shoots a guy on the street, do they enjoy qualified immunity because their actions were too novel to be tried in court? \n* If they rob a truck and take the money, claiming it was made illicitly without any evidence, do they get to keep it?\n* And if they commit egregious acts of violence will their union come in and demand paid suspension?\n* Do trans people have a blue code where they actively ignore the criminal actions of other trans people?\n* If someone isn't quite \"bro\" enough and breaks the code, do they get hunted down and harassed by their former allies?\n* Do they have over a dozen gangs in Los Angeles?\n\nJust asking questions, y' know?", "Bruh. What!?\n\nYou think it’s ok to be a Nazi? \n\nAnd you think being a Nazi is comparable to being gay or trans? Fuck you buddy.", "I’d argue neither of those two examples are jokes tbh", "He was way cooler than the guy before him.", "Woosh", "Alternatively if you are unable to be as funny as you expect, maybe you’re also not as smart as you think you are. I’ve heard this same argument when so-called geniuses express how tiresome it is to engage with the common man, how their smarter ideals supersede the peasants, etc. The usual rebuttal is if you can’t find common ground to speak on, then you’re probably not as intelligent as you think you are.", "He is talking about Andrew Dice. A character that was deliberately created to cause a reaction. And Andrew Dice made a lot of money. Andrew Dice was not held in high esteem as a comic back then so no one was really asking Andrew to behave better. Andrew made that character to gain a lot of money. Chápelle thinks he is the goat. A lot of people think he is the goat so Carlin here a way better comic than Chapelle is right on asking for better material and for comics who claim to be the goat to have better material.", "[George Carlin totally never “””””””punched down”””””””](https://youtu.be/03ryN7ARL1E)", "He wasn’t just a comedian. He was an intellectual master.", "He also stopped being funny and spent a way too much time seeking approval, which felt really disingenuous for a guy who came out looking like Eddie Murphy in Raw or Delirious if he had stopped at the cheap suit shop instead of the leather store. Like dude, if you want to be a badass, be a badass. But talking tough while being needy ain't it.", "Yes I did, I responded to several, and I await the responses. Shit your are replying to one of my responses to one of the things he said for Christ sake. I am not responsible for replying to all 8, and go fuck yourself if you think that is my job, lol.", "Chapelle just believes there's no such thing as punching down or up. Which is hilarious considering he used to punch up before he got rich.", "And you’re on the simping band wagon because you can’t handle that people disagree with you.", "Lol what do you think a TERF is? It's exactly prejudice. That's like the whole point is to be exclusionary. That's what the E stands for.", "Ask Dave's late friends, Daphne. She would have laughed at it. I have trans friends that also thought it was hilarious.", "Pretty sure that’s Shawn Michaels", "Oh, and yet he continued to mislabel trans people and mock them for their private parts, denying that they even know who they are….but he’s totally an ally, right? \n\n\nJesus.", "People who post this shit and think Carin would’ve agreed with them clearly don’t know anything about him", "They are way too uncomfortably close to each other for interview", "Wise beyond our understanding. I hope more people are inspired by him and do good in this world", "It’s cause they don’t like what the words are describing.", "Several people have mentioned he sounds like late career Lenny Bruce. Unfunny, and bitching about persecution. Except Lenny had something to complain about.", "I don't care much about offensive humor as long as it's not the kind of humour where they say it because they think there's some truth to it, but this wasn't even like funny. Like the jokes themselves weren't good, they were just trying to be offensive", "FEEEEEMALESSSS😡", "I’m glad I have a George Carlin bit to explain why what Dave does is problematic", "This clip is a great explanation, however I think it misses a big piece of Chapelle's latest standup, that everyone else in here seems to be missing as well. Dave is making the point that he isn't punching down when he makes jokes about these groups. His argument is that although black people have been fighting a very public battle for equality in the US for much longer than LGBTQ+ community has, LGBTQ+ folks have been able to make huge strides recently which he plainly says, as a black man, he's jealous of. I believe he feels this gives him the right to poke fun at a group that has been so successful at gaining traction and alliance in a way that the black community simply has not.", ">He literally declared being team TERF\n\nOmg you didn't listen to him or me. I'll say again, he's TERF only in the sense that trans women are biologically not actual women. That is it. \n\n>He undermined the plight of LGBT comparable to black people\n\nNo....he's making fun of the fact that they say he doesn't understand the struggle.\n\n>(acting like blacks can't be LGBT)\n\nAt no point did he convey that. He's talking about it in context of a white person and how a black lgbt man wouldn't call the cops over a dispute.\n\n>Mislabels his own trans \"friend\"\n\nFor a single joke....since the setup was her being a father...Every other time he used proper pronouns.", "Bill Hicks was right up there too", ">You can't be a TERF without being transphobic and bigoted though\n\nCan you actually explain...why that is? I don't know how to participate in a discussion on this topic without seeming like I'm in some sort of existing camp, but I actually don't understand.\n\nWhile the definitions and cohesive group beliefs seem muddy, one belief attributed to TERFs is that they believe women's experience in culture is different from men, and that transwomen (presumably especially transwomen who transitioned late in life) don't have that experience, having been treated as boys during their development, and are missing a big part of what it means to be a woman in our society. \n\nMaybe it's the secondary effects of this belief that make them transphobic or bigoted, but that belief seems...fairly reasonable as a philosophy, to me. Can you clear up why you think that's unreasonable, or why that's not a fair representation of TERFs and why they're bad, or...whatever else I'm missing here?", ">\tSee, you’re doing it again. You’ve decided that because YOU think it’s transphobic, it IS transphobic, and that people have “trouble accepting that”.\n\nYou don’t think it’s transphobic so it’s not transphobic. Lol. It’s like you’re doing the exact thing you’re accusing this person of doing.\n\n>\tI’m done arguing with you. You’re ignoring my point and I don’t really want to spend more time talking to someone who thinks their opinion is more valid than other people’s.\n\nLol. You seem to think your point is more valid than op. \n\nYour complete lack of self awareness is hilarious.", "Didn't he say he was team TERF after he talking about how he was criticized and categorized as a bigot by the trans-community? I took that to be a sarcastic jab at claiming to be part of the bigots that they claimed him to be- like Eminem's lyrics- \" And I am whatever you say I am\"", "Being a Nazi is a choice, being Gay or Trans is not.", "Sorry that I'm offended by transphobes, friend. \n\nAnd no, I haven't watched his specials since the one before the last one because he's become one of those crochety old fucks who says ignorant things and then gets mad about it hurting people's feelings. \n\nAnd to be honest, I don't really give a shit. Dave has said transphobic things in past specials too.", "It’s called feminism, not womanism. What’s wrong with fighting for equal rights for female women based on the challenges they exclusively face? Do you really fail to recognize that female women and transgender women face completely different kinds of discrimination for completely different reasons, with little overlap? \n\nPrioritizing the rights of female women isn’t a statement about any other group. It says nothing about someone’s views on transgender rights and equality, only that they view them as a separate issue. You’re saying that’s unreasonable?", "You got a response to the guy who worked you? A point without just paraphrasing Dave back?", ">Dave's whole point is that he's not punching down\n\nWhich is ridiculous to begin with. I like Chapelle but that's just a silly argument. His jokes about trans people were coming from a cis man. That's punching down, regardless of his race.", "Agree with you except the \"punching down\" ending. I think he was referring to how white people who were oppressed for decades (trans) were punching down on black people (payoff from earlier references to DaBaby and Kevin Hart).", "Chappelle defenders are clearly as ignorant as he is, as every single one is now parroting the word “nuance,” without realizing just how ridiculous it looks, how they’re all doing it, and how they’re all using it completely wrong. \n\n\nIf you thought anything in that special was ”nuanced,” you’re an idiot and don’t have any reason to condescend to anyone about what they “don’t get.” \n\n\nBy the way, “You just don’t understand,” is what every bigot says when they’ve gotten done being a bigot for laughs.", "Comedians of George Carlin’s caliber are truly modern day philosophers. I’m so glad I got to see him live a few times. A genuine treasure.", "So, what's wrong with \"punching sideways\"?", "Huge to a specific demographic. Young and middle aged white men. He was not widely adored otherwise. Much like today’s conservatives he played into his audiences hatreds and fears and they all circle jerked each other because it upset the people they were pointing fingers at. Really, Andrew Dice Clay was just a one trick pony that managed to sell his one trick very well. Seeing his shitty act again makes me rally under stand why the Alt comedy scene in the 90’s really took off so well. \n\nCarlin could be offensive and still come off as likable. He would challenge your mindset and really make you think about your perspective of things. Arguably the greatest satirist ever. Clay was offensive for the sole intent of being offensive.", "Yeah no \n\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/stage/2021/oct/09/dave-chappelle-letter-trans-comedian-netflix", "I thought you was done. lol.", "Lol good ones", "Are you for qualified immunity? Because that's basically what Patrice O'Neal is arguing for... that certain occupations should have immunity to do their jobs properly. That certain occupations, being the experts in their field, have authority in all aspects of what their occupation covers in the public space. That any public damage that the person may do due to having that occupation should not make that individual personally liable for.", "Blah blah blah. \n\n\nEveryone knows what he said and what he meant. \n\nStop trying to treat him like Trump, telling the smarter kids they don’t understand stupid jokes.", "Daphne had also lost her job and access to her kids because she was trans. That kind of stuff hurts.", "Big talk from a man in a flowy, fringey leather jacket.", "The outrage just proves his arguments right. He never really dunked on trans people, at least any worse than he’s dunked on anyone else. And even made multiple pro-trans talking points. But he wasn’t 1:1 on the party line, so he needs to be disposed of according to the internet people.", ">\the was clearly joking\n\nYet if you read the comments defending Dave they alternate between arguing for his point literally as in, “I agree with what he’s saying” and “he was only joking, you people are so sensitive”.", "Lost me at cishet. Made up words are made up.", "Exactly. Dave Chapelle is speaking to power. A power so powerful that you can't even mention them without people raising eyebrows.", "I’m out of the loop. Can anyone explain what the Dave Chappelle situation is?", ">He 1000% was punching down. \n\nNot from his POV, he made it pretty clear he's of the opinion that black issues supersede trans issues. Thus his comment about punching lines, not down.", "I particularly like this quote. \n \nWhen I see comments on here saying that Dave is punching down (at least a couple today) I wonder if they watched the special.", "Everyone says that as a lame excuse because they know how ignorant he and the material actually is, but know how it makes them look to like it so much. \n\n\nI watched the special. Only bigots or idiots think anything he said was clever, accurate, or somehow deep. \n\n\nIt was a stupid person’s idea of what smart comedy must be like.", "Ok, fair enough. Have a good night.", "Or just don’t run your mouth off. No one is fully canceled. Stop being a baby.", "Yeah no, its okay to dislike someones specials specifically because of the context of the special. \n\nChappelle the mega-millionaire YET AGAIN soapboxing and going “poor me” is fucking lame and I could understand people disliking it for that reason", "Yeah thats why he spent so much wind explained in detail terfs believe system, and relating to it. \n\n\nstfu bigot", "Such a baseless blank statement of absurdity. As if “the blacks” or “the LGBTQ” where a homogenous cohesive group. What a load of bullshit. \n\nOf that is what Chapelle’s premise wants to be fine but don’t go out and repeat jokes like that as if they are facts please. Dig your head out of that pile of garbage and onto reality. \n\nChapelle is a fucking entreteiner a joker a bar/night club worker and not an eminence in gender or social studies", "Whether you like it or not he earned that money. He didn’t break any laws doing it. You may think he doesn’t have a right to be paid millions of dollars but in reality he absolutely does.", "Dave says he’s not punching down but we see him punching down? \n\nWell I guess if he’s says he’s not then he’s not. \n\nThe Dave simps are just a sad bunch.", "Did you stop reading at the part you quoted?", "Dammit why did give that another view. I knew it was Clay.", "Gaslight harder", "I agree. Listening to his records and in later years seeing him live really helped influence my core beliefs. He always talked about questioning everything.", "Flase flag \"feminist\" simply using the label as a smokescreen \\* FIFY", "As another old guy, never thought Dice's shit was funny. The laughs were for how outrageous he's being, but he's a clap comedian. Clap because I agree with with the hate he's selling and it gives me cover to be an hateful asshole too.", "Can I see them on HBO max?", "It's just talking about taboo topics. The people laughing are laughing for the same reason 8-year-olds do when one of their friends says a \"bad word\".\n\nThere's nothing funny about the word, but they find it funny because it's pushing boundaries. There are a lot of comedians who bank on the offensiveness to some degree or another. Jimmy Carr is a good modern example.", "No, Chapelle isn't punching up or down. He thinks that to punch down means you feel your better than those your punching he doesn't see himself as better then the trans community.", "Oh shit! I fried his last remaining brain cell! Sorry guys, we'll have to find a different shitstain to mock.", "> He’s a massive narcissist\n\nI'm a big Chappelle fan, have been for a long while. He's great at what he does. The dude commands a stage.\n\nBut when he said many would call him the G.O.A.T., I cringed. To say that shit about yourself is ... yikes.\n\nThat level of self-admiration reminded me of some other guy who's in the news a lot.\n\nAs for the broader topic of the special, others are already getting into it far better than I. All I'll say it, as a big Chappelle fan, I laughed maybe two of three times at most. It was largely just an airing of grievances.\n\nWhich also reminded me of someone who's been in the news a lot in recent years.\n\nWith the amazing career he's had, the guy has earned the right to riff how he wants to riff, but if he's not going to be funny anymore, I'm not sure I'll be along for the ride.", "He soon will once all the pressure blows up. I mean we thought men like Weinstein were above reproach and now he is rotting in a prison cell with the Weinstein being social pariahs", "TERF is explicitly and exclusively a hate group. the idea of TERFs is rooted in hating and excluding trans people. its in the name.", "Perhaps not nowadays, but that phrase came into prominence for me when 4chan used it as the name for a new Mountain Dew drink. It was trolling because it was controversial because America didn’t have a bunch of Nazis everywhere at the time, so someone holding that belief was shocking and everyone knew it was a joke. \n\nThen actual Nazis joined in and made it seem serious, and that’s why it stopped being a joke. \n\nWhich is a good example of my point. You can use shock humor. But don’t be surprised or feel like a victim when your shock humor happens to align with a widely held set of hateful opinions and then people call you out for perpetuating real ongoing hate.", "Booo, you suck", "Punching up at who? Trans people, as a group, have power?", "You should probably pay more attention. You come across as quite disconnected from reality.", "I didn't, but if you read my comment again it also opposes what follows.", "Plus I heard she had a powerful mentor who used her as a scapegoat token trans friend to legitimate his bigoted jokes.", "There will come a point where people stop relating Dave to his best work and realize he is just being offensive to make money. He's a shadow of what he once was comedy wise, old Dave would never have to punch down.", "isn't most comedy a soapbox of sorts? isn't most comedy just tragedy of life multiplied by the absurdity of thought? \n\nmaybe i'm getting too existential here...", "Genius of his generation, like Dave is in ours.\n\nEdit* Downvoted, so does somebody not think Carlin was a genius? Does somebody think Dave is not a genius? If you think either one of them is not a genius you are an idiot that is not smart enough to judge genius. Kind of a weird flex but hey, do you.\n\nEdit 2* Also forgot, your downvotes don't amount to shit, just like you.", "You're pretty unintelligent", "Destroying someone's livelihood is serious shit, it's not \"being a baby\". \"Don't run your mouth off\" is some tyrannical shit too. You need to grow the fuck up.\n\nEdit: and doesn't your comment prove my point?", "Language changes, and words that weren't common become common over time. It's not an actual issue.", "Dave's latest special...and to be honest some previous material was seen to be anti-transgender by many. His latest show:\n\n- praised JK Rowling, who has been under similar fire\n- called himselt TERF(feminist, but excluding trans-women)\n- insults the \"pussy\" of transwomen\n\nThere is more, but that is the gist.", "Also, while we're invoking the holy name of George Carlin, let's remember how much of his career he devoted to mocking the PC crowd (then Christian Conservatives).\n\nThe PC crowd now happens to be liberals. George would eat them alive today, just the same.", "All words are made up. Cisgender heterosexual. Is that better?", "idk, I appreciate what he did for comedy but particularly during the end of his career it was much less about actual joke-making and more just ranting. I hear people praise so many comedians for their craft who honestly tend to just make more societal observations than actual observational comedy. A lot of people obviously agree with his viewpoints and I think feel vindicated by that, but in terms of actual humor he wasn't very funny, and this is coming from someone who agrees with a lot of said viewpoints. That said, he's made a lot of very important contributions to the introspection of many Americans and the many problems with our culture.", "For services already rendered yes. But they don’t have to sign him on for another special and him not being financed in the future is not a violation of his rights.", "You can see what people were saying on Twitter during that time, it's not like it's impossible to fact check. \n\nTwitter anons didn't kill Daphne.", "In your logic, Black Universities should be canceled, most frats are hate groups, gay clubs are heterophobic, straight clubs are homophobic, friend groups comprised mostly of a certain race is certainly racist, the list goes on. Differing viewpoints != prejudice. You don't need to sign up for it if you're not for it, but don't go blindly screaming hate if your feelings are hurt that you don't agree with it. That's what freedom of expression is, and people like you who love cancelling anyone with differing opinions are what's destroying America.", "I mean, it's obvious isn't it? He literally told us. He's a true believer. He's pissed at the entire framework that is trying to be made where an obvious joke results in deaths. And taking a persons livelihood is akin to killing them. He said it in plain English.\n\nAgree or disagree, he's putting his entire life on the line for what he believes in. He did so with incredible nuance and poise. If anyone in the world can snap us out of this insanity, it's him. He's the exact voice we needed to say what was said.", ">Ok. Then I'm just gonna say you're a pedophile.\n\nlol", "A - It's not my point. Just my interpretation of what I believe Chappelle is communicating. Although since I don't personally know him, it's at best an educated guess based of of what he said in The Closer (and I'm paraphrasing) he's says he's been using his comedy to go after white people for years. \nB- To be clear, I don't know the statistics regarding LGBTQ demographics, but I do know that it stand to reason that if someone is in a position to avert having bodily harm done to them they would. And if someone else is not in the same position to do so then that person has a clear disadvantage. With that being clearly true how can my point not be valid?", "Just because it’s meaningless to you, doesn’t mean it won’t make a difference", "There are a lot of people in this world that take offence to Hitler jokes. Your take on the comparison is an opinion, not a fact. In reality, you and the other commenter are on the same level as those opposing you.", "Right, and that's legit fucking stupid. A no offense to rich people, but it's weird to see black famous, rich men like Chappelle and Morgan Freeman believe they still experience the plight of an average black person. If Chappelle genuinely believes his position in society is equal to or below that of an average trans person, then he's lost touch with reality.\n\nRegardless, I don't want it to be a competition. Whomever holds the \"power\" here is not relevant. What is relevant is that he's attacking a group that's not treated well. I doesn't matter if they're treated better than another group.", "Can we please go back to real issues making headlines, I don't know maybe the housing crisis, or the growing wealth disparity? I just want a real occupy wallstreet :(", "The thing is, his jokes about trans existence were just uninspiring and feel ripped off a Ben Shapiro bit or something. Misgendering a trans person is the same level of comedy as saying the N word. Just not funny or original at all.", "That's my point though, just because a word was coined 40 years ago, doesn't mean that the average person at the time knew it, let alone understood it. Lots of these words/concepts started in academia, and it takes time for them to enter common usage. And in the case of Gender Dysphoria, I'd wager that 3/4 of Americans still don't know what it is, and those that do are either educated or have a personal connection to it.", "And it's nothing like Dave Chappell.", "The point’s not to be funny?", "Wdym aaamu?", "I won’t lie…\n“F@€atron” got me to laugh, but yeah nah.\nNot my kind of humor personally. Even the laughs in the audience sounded a bit uncomfortable.", "Name one person who is cancelled and not able to work? Tell me what job puts up with a worker saying derogatory statements while on the job or on their social media page? You f around and you will find out. Hell we burned women for being a witch. Oh no you got cancelled. The horror. Just big white man babies crying on the internet cause they didn’t shut the f up.", "Viewing the relation between gender and sex as distinct and intersecting concepts isn't new, certainly not within the last 5-10 years. You simply need to look in the right place i.e fields such as psychology, biology, or sociology, where conceptualising gender and sex is important for developing further knowledge in the discipline. The way lay people build and understand these ideas is of course a different story", "He could never experience it but he can definitely empathize and learn about it. Using the N word is completely different but if its ok with them, its ok with them.\n\nAnd those hurt people need to get the fuck over it because they are not fully listening.\n\n>Chappelle frames the LGBT community as solely white\n\nNo he does not. He had a few bits where the context involved mainly a white person and he mentioned 2 black gay guys that were \"80s gay\".\n\nYou and many other people are actively looking for something to be mad about just because the subjects of the bits are people who are looking for acceptance.", "One does not simply walk into a street war, declare LOUDLY FOR ALL TO HEAR that they are on side B and then get to be offended with side A takes notice and acts accordingly.", "Power is relative. For an entertainer, upsetting a group that has strong support in media and entertainment business puts that entertainer in a position where the group can exert their power.", "Why are there sacred cows in comedy?", "Jesus Christ. I’d never heard of this guy before but that was…not funny. And I usually love a good bit of abusive humour. The only joke that remotely had potential was “if i see a guy’s hairy ass I don’t want to bang it…I want to wash it and blow dry it” but even that fell short. Maybe people just liked the fact that he was risqué and maybe they liked his rhythm?", "George nailed it. Never make fun of people that are frequent targets of abuse and prejudice. It always comes off as kicking people when they are down.\n\nDon Rickles was an insult comic and he said it worked because he never insulted audience members on the weakness they feared the most. If a man was overweight, he made fun of his tie. Once they knew you were doing other things, they laughed!", "Well you have to agree thats an easy way of getting out of the criticism. “I dont consider myself better than you! BLAM!!!”", "Not from that generation but I’ve checked his stuff out because I’m a comedy nerd. I was pretty confused as to what I was watching.", "ITT: too many bitch ass ni***", "> and it’s their view that really matters in this case.\n\nSays who? Why is their opinion any more/less valid than mine?", ">TERF isn't a hate group.\n\nThey are very specifically a hate group", "Carlin also railed against people who were overly sensitive and couldn't take a joke. He had whole sections of his stand up routines on soft language and how people who get offended are big babies.", "Same here. I just don't think his stand up is funny anymore. It's just a long rant.", "So non-made-up acronyms are what, sourced from God directly?", "If you dissect comedy, in textbook form, this falls under the category of “reversal of expectation” which is a classic comedy thing. \n \nI’m not here to argue whether anyone should think it’s funny, but I will say that from a purely definition standpoint that it is what we would define as comedy.", "Now you are changing the conversation. This isn’t about the people defending him, its about him and what he says.", "You can get by with being massively offensive. Trick is you gotta tell some fucking jokes otherwise it's a klan rally with a drink minimum.", "George Carlin was one of the most intelligent people I've ever seen. I was blown away by his material time after time.\n\nDave kind of fills that gap sometimes. But he ain't no George!", "I’ve seen people from both political sides posting him and insinuating he would have hated whichever political side they don’t like.", "i love his joke about not being from the ghettos. somthing like he never said he was from there, people just starting saying he was and he never corrected them about it cuz he wanted to fit in and be hipp.", "Can you believe Dice still does shows for a bunch of money? It's true.", "It’s both. He is a great comedian, but only when its issues he has personal experiences with and has known his entire life. Once he has to think about literally anything or anyone other than what matters specifically to him, he’s as ignorant as any other hack comic with bad takes on things they don’t bother to learn or understand. \n\n\nAnd, he clearly has issues with trans women. Creepy issue, even, as he’s been talking about them for several years and several specials. It’s starting to reek of projection.", "A Carlin/Chappelle debate would be epic", "Good, keep not watching. Thats the beauty of choice. Dont like what a performer is saying, don't watch, don't listen, live a happy life", "I never stated whether i supported Dave. So you stfu, coward.", "People like you act like you’re “exhausted“ by all of these new words (many of which have been around for quite a while actually). But you’re not, you never hear these words, you never say these words, they’re not a part of your daily life, you just bring them up in a fit of manufactured outrage because you don’t like what they’re used to describe, even if it has nothing to do with you.\n\n\nAnd even so, literally all words are made up, aren’t they? We constantly learn new words and adapt new vocabulary from what cultural context is taking place at a time. It’s nothing new, it’s not difficult.", "I'm a woman. Trans women existing doesn't harm me. Just like we can have men and women having unique problems... so too can we have women and trans women having unique problems. TERFs generally have an all or nothing mindset. If you aren't with them, you're their enemy. It is right there in the acronym: Trans Exclusionary. And they're proud of it, hence why they boast about being such. Would you support someone being Black Exclusionary or Muslim Exclusionary? TERFs are just bigots who found a new thing to hate.", "Because this has nothing to do with you", "Wow this might be the strawiest strawman ever strawed", "Just like how TD was a parody, the parody ultimately got taken over by the people who believed it. Maybe Dice was playing to people in on the joke in clubs, but he was selling out MSG to people not in on the joke.", "I'm baffled by how bad his take was especially considering that Chapelle's situation was explained perfectly clearly in his own fucking special. Believing that by making jokes about the LGBTQ community is \"punching down\" is an insult to that community, he's not punching down - he's punching straight as he does making fun of any other community because he considers them to be equal.\n\nAlso calling Chappele's audience young white males just proves that he didnt actually watch any of his specials lol", ">I'll say again, he's TERF only in the sense that trans women are biologically not actual women. That is it.\n\nThis is the ole \"do what you want, but I don't accept you\" bullshit. If you saw a Christian tell a gay person or an atheists, \"hate the sin, love the sinner\" would you not consider them an asshole?\n\nOne of the massive reasons trans people commit suicide at the rate they do is because of a lack of acceptance as the gender they feel and the fact that most cannot separate gender from sex. Much like Chappelle and yourself.\n\nI mean the next sentence in the most sincere way, not trying to insult you. Do a bit of research into the psychology and biology of trans people. How their brains function and how society treats that. Then come back.", "Almost all of that is a lie.", "We did this but Chapelle Show. ✌🏽", ">Ok. Then I'm just gonna say you're a pedophile. It might not be true, but we can't possibly know right.\n\ni for one, believe it. AND its on the internet so its forever to. \n\n\nSorry dont make the rules DatJazz does", "Fair point.", "If society as a whole was in agreement that Hitler was an evil bastard we wouldn't see a resurgence of nazis.", "Neither are acronyms. Huzzah.", "There aren't. But if you're going to punch down at a group of people, don't be surprised if they're unhappy about it.", "You mad?", "Yes, I think they get that. They mean he was right about the topic years ago, not specifically Dave.", "I mean, we in the transgender community agree that Jenner didn’t deserve the award. She got it entirely because she has a rich and famous family.", "A TLDR for you lazy social justice warriors who can't even do their own research:\n\nDave Chapelle is a feminist who's far from being a transphobe.", "Thanks!", "Its so funny watching the collective shift/push to hate Dave chappelle on the default subs. \n \nIt really speaks volumes to how thin skinned and easily outraged the large majority of the people who frequent this site are. \n\nFrom the outside looking in, this looks like manufactured outrage. I wouldnt be surprised if one of the blue hairs in the front row of his special is a reddit admin trying to twist the narrative.\n\nJust incase anyone here isn't aware, if George was still making comedy, YOU would be his punchlines too.", "Totally. I was in my final years of high school when he really blew up. We'd sit around talking shit and reciting bits laughing like loons. I've tried to rewatch it but it literally makes me cringe so hard I nearly implode. Eddie Murphy's Delirious has some bit in it that invoke the same reaction but it's offset by his brilliant story telling. As a stand up comic of 15 years, I still don't know how someone 23 years old could have produced such amazing comedy.", "He makes jokes that are anti-transgender and as George explains here, it often feels to many like Dave is punching down at people who are frequently already victims of abuse.", "Exactly. I like that people leave this out. That she lost a job and custody of her fucking daughter the week she killed herself. But no, it was definitely the harassment that no one except Dave seems to know about.", ">Society as a whole is in agreement that Hitler was an evil horrible bastard\n\nNot as in agreement as you might think. The amount of holocaust denialism/support for fascism in the U.S. should make you pause before you make this assertion.\n\nYou* feel like it's a non-starter, but how about Jewish people? Or those of Romani descent? Trans rights/issues are just the social issue of the day, some groups are just getting out of centuries or millenia of hatred and discrimination.\n\nIt says a lot about your character that you would callously support this equivocation.", "(I agree with you)\n\nIt was also about how he just doesn’t want to hear about how he is oppressing white men who are only a minority when it is convenient, when he himself is an oppressed minority. \n\nWhat did he say, “gay people are a minority… until they need to be white again” \n\nThe whole thing parallels the struggle of the LGBTQ cause with the struggle of the Black cause, and how one movement has had great recent success while the other continues to struggle. \n\nIt’s still about race to me.", ">100% every word of that special was\n\n\\him blabbering boomer nonsense \n\n\nFIFY", "Yeah except I am working class lmao", "Nice straw man, but you literally had to make it all up in order to have something to argue against. \n\n\nNo one said he can’t make his stupid and ignorant anti-trans jokes that bigots and Edgelords and ignorant mouth-breathers think are so funny. They’re just calling him what he is when he does It. \n\n\nHe should take his own advice and learn to be able to take it, not just dish it out. \n\n\nThis reeks of him and his fans being massively fragile and insecure.", "I did watch it. With respect: not only are you not providing context, you're actively taking the quote out of context. He takes a few positions that are at odds with the TRA crowd, but that no more made him transphobic than it made him a Nazi.", "He was popular because people thought the audacity of his “humor” was interesting, not because it was funny. Once exposed, they quickly lost interest and he was comedy’s version of a one-hit wonder.", "Man I didn't know I had so many fans!\n\nWhere's my fanclub, exactly?", "It doesn't address Dave's qualifier for \"punching down\" - social power hierarchy.\n\nDo you disagree with social influence being the relevant hierarchy? If so, what hierarchy would you use?\n\nTo be clear, I'm not here to defend Dave in an argument. I'm just explaining his rationale and I'm genuinely curious about the opposing rationale.", "> I’m fine with a comedian making a joke. “Hitler did nothing wrong” is a joke. “Trans women are not real women” is not a joke.\n\nSo why do you* get to decide that \"Hitler did nothing wrong\" is a joke, but his comments about trans woman aren't jokes- what gives you the right. I guarantee you that there are people out there who find that offensive- so does that mean you support anti-Semitism? \n\n> And this is kind of my overarching complaint. Dave wants the benefit of “only joking” when it helps him but he also wants the benefit of “speaking the truth” at the same time.\n\nDave makes jokes about every other group of people- black people, white people, Mexicans, Arabs, woman, asians, gay people etc, but the moment he makes fun of trans people he is \"taking it too far\". Your argument is the height of hypocrisy- he is a comedian who makes fun of everyone- but the moment he makes fun of a group you don't like, you stop laughing. He isn't playing \"just a prank\", or if he is, he is doing it to every group, not just trans-people.", "It’s ridiculous to honestly believe that terfs are radical feminist. \n\n\nEdit: Terfs literally named themselves", "This changed my prespective, thank you.", "Idk I'm not an HBO shill. Watch it on YouTube or something if it's there, that's what I do.", "Again, I said that I think generally people feel it's in poor taste if the person is really struggling in life as a result of whatever group their in. If the draft was going on it'd probably be pretty shitty for a female comedian to joke about it. I also don't fully know the ins and outs of Dave's perspective but I think people are annoyed that he's not only making (apparently meh) jokes about transgenders but also complaining when people get upset...a rich, popular, comedian is the real victim. Like if you want to dish it out at least hunker down to take some backlash.", "You don’t have to watch them. That’s what drives me nuts. People will watch his specials KNOWING they will vehemently disagree with him, and then get all mad about it. It’s one thing to not want to expose yourself to things that will upset you. It’s another thing for this crowd to try and prevent ANYONE from saying things they don’t like.", "The punchlines to the Caitlin Jenner bit were: \"Never even had a period!\" and\n\n\"If I was at the BET award and they were like 'n\\\\\\\\ of the year goes to.. Eminem', I'd be mad a hell!\"\n\nBoth of those jokes are about that Caitlin Jenner isn't a \"woman\", not that she didn't do anything worthy of receiving the award.", "Different famous comedians have said variations of the following:\n\nA comedy show isn’t a college lecture, it isn’t a TED Talk, it isn’t a presentation of peer-reviewed research. A typical comedy show is just a person telling a mix of embellished and totally false stories. Its entertainment and laughter to get people to forget their personal troubles for an hour.\n\nPersonally I wouldn’t spend any more time analyzing a comedy show than I would spend analyzing a Billie Eilish concert. Nor would I worry about whether some people attend for the “wrong” reasons (eg “she’s hot”).", "It's also dumb because it focuses on who is being punched rather than whether they should be. A large corporate interest that is abusing workers and destroying the environment, should be punched but you shouldn't punch a person or group just because you percieve them to have more power than your group. \n\nIf a group of LGBTQ organizations use their influence to remove opinions they don't like, then they can't also claim to be without power. And they should be criticized not for who they are but how they use influence.\n\nA marginalized group can't get a pass on behavior just for being in a marginalized group.", "Stupid rednecks aren’t an oppressed marginalized group. \n\n\nSomeone who actually understands what “punching down,” means would understand.", "It's really terrible. Hey, he had a market at the time. It's not the type of material that has legs and lasts for decades. \n\n\"Eh, hickory dickory dock....\"\n\nIt's for 14-year olds or so.", ">Right, and that's legit fucking stupid.\n\nAre you black?\n\n>Whomever holds the \"power\" here is not relevant.\n\nIsn't this a sticking point for discussions on the root of systemic bigotry against various groups?", "I feel Bill is being forgotten way to fast these days. To me he is just below Carlin when it comes to speaking the truth.", "I mean, there was a set a decade later where Carlin was making jokes about kids getting shot during school shootings, so I mean....", "Would you say that the criticisms of his special are unearned, over-inflated, or otherwise invalid?", "I get what you're saying with your first sentence, but it also reads as a no shit statement lol. \n\n\"Genius in their art is really good at their art.\"", "It’s insane. He spent his whole career trashing conservatives, then spent the latter part going after liberals and their PC thought and speech control (his words) as well. And yet somehow both conservatives and liberals are convinced he would’ve been on “their side”", "I think he would have gone to town on Americans finally reaching the goalline he knew we were running to 40 years ago.\n\n\"Congrats, morons, you did it! You elected a man who represents idiocy itself!\"", "Using one comedian who overdosed on his own farts to explain another comedian who did the same. \n\nAlright.", "God I miss Carlin.", "must be a sociopath to not like Carlin. \n\n\nAnd Carlin is 100% spot on on when it comes to chapelle", "💯", "Is it also purposefully moronic", "Sure, i addressed this in [another comment](https://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qga9hg/george_carlin_on_larry_king_explaining_the_dave/hi6756r):\n\n> Yea, Chapelle made it a point to say that if you listen to him carefully you will see that he isn’t anti-trans. But what I noticed is that he made contradictory statements. He would say trans women are women in one spot and then say he was team TERF in another. It seems like he wants to play a game where he can say both and then when criticized point to just one. It’s similar to a motte and bailey tactic but more brazenly fallacious.", "TERFs are far more than just a club of people who think the same thing. They have real political and social implications. Jesus, half the people butthurt that Chappelle is getting called out don't even know what a TERF is.\n\nAnd you're reading an awful lot into what I'm saying. I said I don't watch him anymore. I didn't say anything else. \"People like me\" you don't even fucking know me.", "\"they're\"", "She got the award because she's rich and has the right connections and wanted it to pat her political ambitions. The magazine gave it to her because they want to court the people who are all about Jenner and the Kardashians. \n\nIt's like a honorary doctorate from an acclaimed university. It means absolutely nothing beyond that that university wants to claim you, and you want the prestige of being claimed.", "But In the context of thin skin, how thin must the skin be of someone to instantly rage or blindly argue whenever someone points out issues a comedian may have had. Or someone point at something that could’ve been transphobic?\n\nI can’t even suggest a joke being transphobic without half this community rage jumping down my throat or calling me some hater of free speech.\n\nYou can’t have this thin skin conversation without a little bit of introversion as well.", "Yeah I didn't even bother to watch this special because his last one wasn't funny, and I'm guessing that's a big part of the problem, you can for the most part, get away with joking about almost anything as long as you keep it genuinely funny, the second you fail to do that the whole \"it's a joke!\" defence falls a bit limp because while it is a joke, it's a bad one.\nSad because his old specials like killin them softly are hilarious.", "Yep. We grew up.", "Her family backed Dave.", "I guess me being a muslim should automatically mean i hate jeff dunham? Sigh..", "noone in the crowd laughed when he said it. if it was a joke, it fell flat.", "Aren't jokes supposed to be funny? What is the punchline when he says something like the LGTB community killed his friend? That's like getting up on stage and making a joke about how abolitionist killed black people because they made them fight for freedom. It's just horribly out of touch and why should I laugh at something like that?", "Let's take everything said in a comedy special as gospel!", "What is the difference between a bigot and someone saying bigoted things followed by \"it's just a joke\" when challenged? In, for example, it's always sunny, the joke is usually about the people doing offensive things and what do around it. When your \"character\" is literally just being a bigot on stage and being indistinguishable from an actual bigot, that isn't the same thing. \n\nNot to mention that Clay apparently started acting like his character more and more even off the stage.", "Dave is 100% punching down, or on occasion punching women and bragging about it on tv.", "To says trans people have power is a fucking joke, completely unaccepted group who has to fight for everything is being insulted by a multimillionaire A list black celeb. In some parts of the world they are still killing trans and gay people so please give your head a shake.", "I understand just fine. You’re okay with marginalized people you don’t like being the butt of jokes, but not ones you sympathize with.", "I can believe he is still milking that character. But back then in the 80’s Andrew dice was the Chapelle of today. Dice had several HBO specials, he made big bucks back then. Good for him.", "lmao, you mean like preachers? With all their biology and psychology degrees? With all their \"knowledge\" about things nobody can know about? Like those people? lmao", "If Carlin was alive today he would be cancelled as well.", "Or maybe he's tired of being accused of dumb shit by hysterical children too high on the smell of their own farts to realize that they're turning themselves into a caricature.", "So he claimed he rejects the idea of punching up or down, and then he proceeded to do a lot of punching down, and then he looked straight at the audience and said \"punching down is bad\"? You can't see how he ultimately did take a stance by treating the whole thing as a joke to begin with? Maybe he should spend less time defending his terrible jokes and more time defending those people that he is also using as a prop.\n\nAlso should not have to explain to a black person how the idea of \"good ones\" and \"bad ones\" is ultimately a key way that prejudice functions.", "And thank fuck for that.", "What is a TERF and why is it offensive? I haven’t seen the special…", "Well shit, maybe he should stop making shitty jokes about trans people in his shows. After all, look at how canceled he is, what with all the headlines about him and the zero functional consequences whatsoever for his actions, makes me worried for his poor career. It's a shame he couldn't see this coming. It's not like saying incredibly shitty things about trans people is new ground for him.", " George would have zero problem with Dave's act I'm confident of that. Also for those talking about 'punching down' what George here is talking about are the vicious style of humour Andrew Dice Clay and others popularized back in the 80s. Remember Carlin once did a bit about 'Indian Sargents' which made all sorts of jokes about native Americans/First Nations. There is a huge difference when it comes to the style of comedy which is what his discussion with Larry King is all about.", "Is OP my mom? 2 days after I turned 18, she told me \"You're almost 19 now, it's time to...\".", "So he was huge at the time. Cool.", "I've always got the impression with Chappelle that he believes that other forms of discrimination aren't as important as racism. He accepts that the LGBTQ+ community, women, religious groups etc can all experience discrimination but that racism is worse than all of those. It's like he is almost gatekeeping discrimination. That it's OK for him to talk down to trans people or women because it's not as bad as talking down to black people. \n\nI will admit, I haven't seen his latest special. I found his previous two pretty cringey. So I can't speak to the specifics of the current debate, but this is just an impression I have gotten from him.", "It’s weird with some of these aging comedians. They start with nothing and everything they do is punching up. Maybe sometimes they’re punching sideways. \n\nBut after a career of becoming more rich and insulated, eventually they’re the ones that have the social power. Way more things are punching down because their position has changed relative to everybody else. Plus they feel entitled to success because they’ve had success to that point, so they start saying things they might not have when they were still building their career. \n\nSeinfeld, Chappell, Louie, Ellen… shit, probably Cosby at the EXTREME end… they’ve all started to float away and get more likely to blame their others when they don’t get approval instead of saying “y’know, this doesn’t seem to be working with people.”", "And if you were a comedian it would be more understandable. But you’re not… so your comparison feels unnecessarily offensive without the benefit of being a comedian.", "everyone thinks a sucker punch is weak shit.", "Nah you’re just surrounded by assholes.", "Do we need to show you the REPENT MOTHERF**ER video?", "Dave doesn’t consider making fun of gays punching down. He makes fun of white people all the time which is fine because he is punching up. He says about a quarter of the way through his last special: “gay people are minorities until they need to be white again” when he is talking about the guy in a bar calling the cops on him. \n\nThis isn’t comparable because Dave is not punching down on a class of people. He’s just making fun of white people (who happen to be gay) like usual. \n\nNone of the humor relies on stereotypes to make the joke. It’s about awful people.", "Yep, and that's where the \"bullying\" claim comes from.", "If this group had power they wouldn't have to protest for results. They're only asking for human dignity. It's the bare-fucking minimum.\n\n\"Call me Rick\"\n\n\"I'll call you whatever I want to call you, Richard!\"\n\nIt's the same thing. Just a basic dearth of respect for someone else and right now Chappelle is feeding the folks who want people to have fewer rights. Look who is celebrating and it tells you the outcome.", "punch up or down, idgaf", ">according to Andrew himself\n\nthere's a lot of great interviews in that link but i don't think any of them are from ADC himself, unless i'm missing something?", "I really think you need to meet some lgbtq people and listen to their stories before trying and failing to have a decent opinion.", "He also said in this same video that he doesn’t laugh at gay jokes. But half the commenters conveniently ignoring that bit.", "I like jokes", "> I don't really give a shit\n\nWhy waste your time arguing about it then? Seems like you're just upsetting yourself for no reason.", "In 20 years, this is how people will feel about that rich old man yelling at a cloud, Dave Chappelle.", "What do you mean by silenced?\n\nI haven't ever heard Dave use that word or meaning towards this dialogue.", "The dude above has spent the last year and a half downplaying Covid and vaccines. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest he's also part of the \"transgender people are the real* problem crowd. There seems to be a lot of crossover there.", "It was a phone booth not a Time Machine", "[George Carlin totally never “””””””punched down”””””””](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ryN7ARL1E&feature=youtu.be)\n\nstole this link from elsewhere in the thread", "Well then you proved your point about working class people not being into trans rights. Kudos to you.", "It has just as much to do with me as it does them.", "... really? I think it holds up pretty well. Dave 2021 seems askew to me relative to Dave 2003.", ">In one of his shows, he equates being born in the wrong gender as being born in the wrong color skin.\n\nFor the record, this is a common TERF talking point that falls apart under the slightest scrutiny. Like, it's maybe a funny \"makes you think\" moment, until you realize that trans people are real and have been around for thousands of years, while \"Trans racial\" people are a tiny handful of lying grifters. Cmon.", "No, just the trans parts. \n\nYou should have a look about what the trans community is actually asking for, it's all pretty reasonable.", "That was about gun culture. Still very different from Andrew Dice Clay", "Imagine thinking trans people just magically sprouted from the earth around 20years ago. People who pander to Chapelle don't seem to realize trans people were so \"down\" in the past it was super dangerous to be anything but completely under the radar. Hell it still is very dangerous, there is a reason the suicide rate among trans people is huge.", "Not at all", "They were both \"clapther\" comedians long before the era of virtue signaling tho. So they aren't really considered funny by people who've actually been into standup comedy for a long time, but rather seen as somewhat profound public speakers. Basically more writer/orator than comedian. Add to that that they both made fun of both women and poor people, so it's easy to see how they fall between the chairs.\n\nEdit: chill out guys, I'm a fan of both and not calling them unfunny. But they have different superlatives connected to them than \"funniest\". They aren't as highly touted as they perhaps should because they were before their time in some ways, but way behind compared to what is needed for them to be embraced by the current climate.", "Can’t tell which side you are on man you’re making my reply game harder.", "Right, because joking about something that is actively a part of political debate and joking about something that happened 80 years ago is exactly the same thing. One is a dark joke, the other is a guy using comedy as a vehicle for his own bullshit political agenda.", "Which jokes?", "“ It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what.\"\n\n- Stephen Fry", "> People want everything to be easy and binary these days.\n\nEspecially Dave.", "Those are the rules. You were oppressed by Jeff Dunham", ">Dave wants the benefit of “only joking” when it helps him but he also wants the benefit of “speaking the truth” at the same time.\n\nWelcome to the entire comedy circuit.", "KKK is a hate group, TERF is a branch of feminism that fights for cis women's rights. Them fighting for different rights from your own does not equate to hate. You do your shit and they do their shit. That's freedom of expression. No one was getting hurt until you people tried forcing your beliefs down everyone else's throats and now people like DC's trans friend are dying.", "He was talking about Clay but explaining much more.", "Dave never compared the Trans community to any of the authorities that you listed. He said only that they are \"punching down\". Which as I understand it is a reference to the fact that they have a platform, and influence in corporate America, which they are using to destroy people's livelihoods if those people say anything that the LGBQT community finds offensive. He is ironically using their argument against them, not making a comment about power in society.", "which highlights one of Dave's biggest issues: how out of whack people's values are and what they think is acceptable and what isn't. Like that rapper killing a guy is fine but him saying something racist or whatever gets people in an uproar.\n\nI'd say the same about JK Rowling the so-called \"terf\". The things she's said aren't even that bad, but she gets labeled as some kind of monster over it.", "> I don't want to put words into the mouths of a deceased person, or pretend to know how and what they thought. Even if she give vocal approval to Dave's comedy, her own internal monologue and experience with supposed \"friends\" making \"I support you but...\" comments is probably nothing new. That very phenomenon has been a major criticism of people who believe themselves to be allies, or at the least \"sympathetic to...\". The need for people to smile and nod while supposed friends describe how they are allies, but only sort of, is something I'd assume a whole lot of people have gone through.\n\nDave's friend posted and defended Dave from her own accord- Chappelle didn't force or even ask her to. It's obvious Chappelle makes fun of every group, including groups that have been historically been oppressed, so why should be be stopped from joking about only one group? Why are the trans community some untouchable group compared to other groups. You're argument is hypocritical.", ">And even if there was, it's fine to punch down.\n\nIf you don't stick the landing, you'll have pissed off a bunch of people and made yourself look like an asshole.\n\nAnd it's really hard to stick the landing.", "He’s a TERF who demands that people stop punching down. \n\nThe criticism he’s getting is warranted.", "You can be concerned about homelessness and the economy and the environment without taking time out of your busy schedule to shit on trans people. Not being shitty to people doesn't need to be deprioritized because of everything else going on. It doesn't need to go on the to-do list in front of anything. You just need to fucking not be shitty to people. End of story.", "To you maybe, but then he’s not catering to you…. He’s a comedian, providing entertainment. At the end of the day his entire special can be written off as jokes. Not everyone laughs at every joke. Not everyone likes every comedian and THAT’S OK! If you disagree or don’t like it, move tf on! There’s many many many more comedians for people to enjoy. \n\nNot only are people taking things wildly out of context (as is fairly typical in comedy), but they’re also get wildly hung up on ENTERTAINMENT, and only because they WANT to feel attacked so they can react and get angry. That’s all anyone wants these days, is to get angry about shit, and it’s exhausting.\n\nWhere tf were these Netflix employees when they had that movie with children dancing super sexually in very inappropriate outfits?? Oh that’s right, they were calling it art and saying should be protected. Fucking meanwhile, a comedian makes some funny laughies and he gets attacked? Seriously?\n\nThis whole situation is in and of itself a complete goddamn joke. It’s almost painfully meta. I’m very much ready for the next stupid controversy for people to pretend that they care about.", "Well said.", "I think George was the Chapelle of today in the 1980's. I know Dice was huge in the 80's(yes, I remember the 80's), but George was big too and he had specials like \"What Am I Doing in New Jersey?\" that were closer to what Dave does than what Dice ever did.", "True, but that video wasn’t that far off from some of Eddie Murphy’s bits around the same time.", "I've noticed that most of the outrage isn't even coming from actual trans people tbf \n\nI'm sure the vast majority of trans people either aren't fussed by it or don't even know", "Is it also purposely stupid?", "> there's a huge gap \n\nYah, that gap is 40 years. Beyond that it's the same exact shit. Punching down and not being funny,", "Murdered? Really? Ridiculed maybe. That's called life. You wanna be accepted. Then learn how to take a goddamn joke. Acceptance comes from both sides. You don't get special privileges. That's not acceptance thats control. Everybody! Gets made fun of!! But again murdered!? Not hearing stories everyday about a new trans person being murdered. All I seem to hear is another person losing their job because they pissed off a trans person with something they said. Now murdered sounds like a more common thing in the black community. Which if you paid attention is what Chappelle's whole fucking special is about. Why are trans people the only ones that come with a rule book on how they should be accepted? Gays just wanna be gay. Lesbians just wanna be lesbians. Heterosexuals just want to be hetero. But trans people. Much like the signals in their brains meeting up with the signals in their biology don't know what the fuck they want! The way you're so quick to attack off a simple comment. The only thing in my opinion that I can clearly see that trans people want is too be offended by the most mundane shit that every other person on earth takes in stride. Get over yourself! The amount of energy you guys put into being upset has to be fucking exhausting. Live and let live. It's pretty fucking simple.", "No it is science....trans women are biologically not women. That is a fact. And no the Christian is not an asshole because he still accepts them.\n\nYes because those people are purposefully mislabeling them. Chappelle may have conflated sex and gender but he still respects them and uses requested pronouns. So who gives a shit? And again, you can't fucking read since I mentioned sex and gender in the first comment.\n\nHow your brain functions and how your body is built are very different things. There's neurology and biology. If you have the body of a male but your brain says \"I'm a woman\" you still have the body of a male.", "Been some time since I saw delirious, but doesn't Eddie \"just\" make fun of gay stereotypes? Like the effeminate uncle, but not hating on him? Been probably 15 years since I saw it, so could very well remember wrong here.", "Dave Chappelle is the greatest comedian of our generation", "> The second statement could actually be interpreted as a serious statement. Which it is, by the way. He means it.\n\nHe...didn't even say the second statement.", "Furthermore, it's pretty rich how Anthony Bourdain's suicide was fertile ground for comedy in the previous special and then Daphne's was used against trans folks in the recent special. The fact that he misgendered her in death while directing hate to others is really severely fucked up.", ">most people are too stupid to understand what he was actually saying. \n\n\"I'm team TERF\" doesn't seem like it needs that much parsing, but by all means, explain the joke", "TERF is an acronym for Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. \n\nA very simplified definition: It is an activist movement of feminists who deny that trans people are valid in any way.", "The side of the trans community who don't deserve to be treated this way", "But then how would Dave be the hero of that story?", "> Society as a whole is in agreement that Hitler was an evil horrible bastard. So saying he did nothing wrong is clearly a joke because next to nobody thinks that.\n\nthis is definitely not true", "Seriously. All the dipshits invoking Carlin's \"you can joke about anything\" quote over the past few days forget the part that comes after that; \"it's all about how you construct the joke\". Carlin would 100% be criticizing Dave's comments if he were alive today. The people dogpiling trans folks on social media fundamentally misunderstand how comedy works.", "> I can’t even suggest a joke being transphobic without half this community rage jumping down my throat or calling me some hater of free speech.\n\nYour post is the most popular post of the day, get out of here with your underdog BS. \n\nNever in my life have I heard a larger group of bullies pissing and moaning about things being unfair.\n\nThe selfishness and entitlement on display by your \"community\" is fucking appalling.\n\nYou all prove Dave right with everything you say/do.", "If Carlin was alive today he would make different jokes than 30 years ago", "Well, he's publicly aligned himself with an anti-trans hate movement...", "You mean \"Clint Eastwood? I fucked him! Ohhhhhh!\" isn't funny anymore?", "What's this? More idiotic drivel coming from this barely literate fuckwit? Colour me surprised!", "> What is the punchline when he says something like the LGTB community killed his friend?\n\nHe didn't say it, so...", "So... well?", "> new group that didn't exist 30 years ago\n\nWhen did the stonewall riots happen? Who started it?", "That bit has zero punching down, and in that bit Carlin continues to argue the same case he makes in the OP video. It's pretty explicit too.", "Facts", "I don’t hate Dave. I love Dave Chappelle the comedian. I just maybe need some time to myself to think things over.", "Without context it probably did look like that, or if you went into it already determined to find something that didn't exist. I honestly don't see where you're coming from.", "Lol saying it’s punching down when referring to lgbt simply isn’t true. People ignore a lot of the toxicity that comes from there", "The answer to that question depends on how trans people are seen legally and has nothing to do with trans people in themselves. \n\nWhat matters is what the scientific consensus is and the health outcomes of those who are trans. The scientific consensus is that being trans is a real thing, not a mental disorder (not that mental disorders aren't real things, just that being trans appears to be biological or developmental rather than psychological). The health outcome is that being allowed to transition and exist as the gender they see themselves as saves lives.", "I would never compare Carlin with chapelle. Nope. Carlin wrote beautifully, skillfully. Carlin was more a writer than a comic. People laughed because the truth he said. \n\nChapelle is a comic, people easily can see his way of setting the premise, developing and going to punchline. Chapelle is good at it no doubt. But Carlin wrote way better.", "Tmewtsts. Fi.\n\nJk, ily.", "Are they helping? He said no one will now touch his documentary and he was uninvited to a ton of film festivals. Reddit seems to suddenly have a hard on for taking him down a peg. \n\nWhich is funny because none of this stuff is new, he’s said most of this stuff before and people still praised him on here and praise the Chapelle show. Right up until this outrage. Now suddenly he’s a bad guy.\n\nReddit sure loves a good circle jerk.", "I can tell you for certain that the reason I laugh at Chappelle is not because I feel threatened by the people refers too", "One is about respecting a person. The other isn't. It's as simple as that. Because the life experiences/perspectives/issues/etc are not shared by every single woman. That idea isn't backed by any of the sciences whether biology, psychology, sociology, anthropology, or anything else.", "About your first point, he said, and I quote\n\n\"It wasnt the jokes, I dont know if was them dragging her or I dont what was going on in her life but I bet dragging her didnt help.\" So I dont think he was lying o telling lies to his audience, he really doesnt know what pushed her to do it.\n\nAlso, I think he was telling a story about his friend who was a comedian who happened to be trans. Not his trans friend who happened to be a comedian. Or at least that's how I took it.", "THEN PAY WITH YOURBLOOD THEIF SCUM!\n\nOr with your beet juice lmfao", "Chappelle: I'm team TERF, I don't get trans people, they're annoying\n\nTrans people: dude wtf, our lives are hard enough as it is, we're out here getting killed in the streets and right-wing politicians are trying to legislate us out of society, maybe don't pile on?\n\nReddit: ah you just don't understand the next-level wisdom of Dave Chappelle, if you just listen to what he's saying you'll understand that it is you who are wrong", "> Normally I think it's fair to say we can't evaluate people of the past with today's moral values... but jokes about hanging people from trees/signs because of things they were born into really shouldn't be forgiven because of \"the times\".\n\nWell, that's the thing - It isn't a matter of the times, because they were shitty things to say then, too. In fact, his act relied on it - Dice was almost exclusively a shock comic, that it was extremely offensive was the point, that's how the joke worked.\n\nAnd, it's also why his star rose and fell so quickly - because he became extremely famous, his bits became very mainstream. And once your bits become that mainstream, once everyone knows exactly what to expect from you, it stops being shocking. And once you take the shock away from a shock comic, sadly, it doesn't work out that you're still left with much of a comic. Just a cranky, whiny asshole saying shitty things.", "And it’s another thing to watch the specials of your favourite comedian and realize that the last 3 haven’t really done it for you.", "I wonder how Dorman would feel about Chappelle's \"I'm team TERF\" bit.", "I totally agree. Clay was in it for pure shock without the social commentary.", "He was smart and articulate dude.", "In this video Carlin said \"its not a criticism\". Where do you get that he said it was shitty?", "Police have power. Protestors aren't police.", "Dave is punching up. It's not trans people he's calling out. It's the woke mob that loves to cancel people. The same mob who turned on his friend Daphne, a trans woman, when she refused to turn against Chappelle.\n\nhttps://nypost.com/2021/10/11/dave-chappelle-is-an-lgbtq-ally-family-of-late-trans-comedian/\n\nedit: I'm not saying she killed herself because of online bullying. But she was derided.", "His comments aligned fine", "Selectively playing ball is what makes it transphobic. If they refused to acknowledge everyone's gender I would agree with you, but since it's only a select group of people it becomes bigoted.", "Andrew Dice Clay's routine is NOTHING like Chappelle's. Carlin would be defending the everloving shit out of Chappelle right now if he were alive. Clay's whole schtick was \"lol fuck the gayz\". There were no actual jokes. He made \"humerous\" innuendo and wordplay. There were never any actual jokes tho. Go watch the bit that Carlin and King are talking about here and even if you think Chappelle is the worst human alive right now you will be able to agree that his standup is NOTHING like Clay's.", "Well yeah he's coming at it from a particular angle. I sorta doubt he's thinking about ontology when he extends an olive branch to the community. You're kind of illustrating the problem here though when you say \"real\". What did I say that suggested trans people aren't real?", "George Carlin was as straight-edge as they come early in his career, but somewhere along the line he embraced the counter-culture. He must have tried acid.", ">Dave's friend posted and defended Dave from her own accord- Chappelle didn't force or even ask her to. \n\nMaking those sort of statements don't really matter because not only was she not addressing the overall issue, but the same phenomenon of potential self-censoring is still present. We do not know at all what here real talk in private would've been in regards to say... terfs or friends calling themselves friends while saying things contrary to that concept. \n\nThere is nothing, literally zero of anything that shows that she can't support Dave's comedy but be upset by literally anything else he may have done or said.\n\n>It's obvious Chappelle makes fun of every group, including groups that have been historically been oppressed, so why should be be stopped from joking about only one group? \n\n\"Making jokes about everyone\" is sort of a lazy excuse. That does nothing to establish or even consider when certain things may be appropriate or crossing a line.\n\n>You're argument is hypocritical.\n\nCome back to me when you look up the definition of hypocrisy.", "Does he have to spell out every joke he makes? Do you believe everything he said on stage?", ">\tAre we now seeing a black man and transgenered people as somehow being on different levels of acceptance in America? Where one is now the bully and the other, a victim?\n\nDefinitely. Depends on context. But a black person can be transphobic and a trans person can be anti black. Just because someone is a minority in one way doesn't make them immune from bigotry.", "Chappelle said TERFs \"look at trans women the way we Blacks might look at Blackface\"\n\nAfter he had already said he was team TERF", "A lot of comedy is more about the delivery of the joke. That is a big part of the art. It's why a joke is so much funnier when a comedian says it than when you try to tell it to your friends.", "It would be really interesting to hear Eddie Izzard’s take on the whole Dave Chappelle situation.", "Terf doesn'tean radical feminist these days, it's a slur at anyone who questions the gender religion.", "As in most things, Carlin understood. So insightful.", "He made it very clear that there are some very fine trans oeople and there are some shitty ones. \n\nIt sounds like your friends identify with the shitty ones.", "But he doesn’t hate trans people. Y’all just can’t accept the fact that y’all aren’t untouchable or infallible", "TERF is literally a hate group. Usually when the name includes something like \"exclusionary\" they aren't paragons of goodwill", "I rarely disagree with King George, but I think he's a bit overly dramatic here.\n\nAlso notice that he supports free speech, and I'm 99% sure he would be against the kind of \"cancel culture\" we see today.", "Love this situation cause reddit has no idea what to think. The identity politics the left plays has cornered them. \"Do we side with the black guy or the trans community\"", "M’lord the beet army is downvotting us heavily we need reinforcements from the south.", ">cancel opinions\n\nGod I wish it actually worked, TERFs won't stop writing newspaper articles about how they're not allowed to say things! Which things? The things they're proudly saying in national newspapers!", "OP included. The issue with Dice isn’t the same as the issue with Dave. Even the jokes Dave used against trans were to prove a point. His point was to show how white pride would come after him for it while ignoring other, worse issues.", "This is something I understand but don't necessarily agree with.\n\nI think you are correct in pointing it out and it being a contributing factor to the confusion and outrage.\n\nMy understanding or experience has been an added layer of confusion which is the common use of gender vs gender identity.\n\nWhere in that case gender seems to imply more of a biological definition in line with your use of the word sex.\n\nI think alot of the challenge is unknown terminology and misuse of terminology and still struggle to find consistent use and understanding within the Trans community let along outside of it.", "The same political party hates trans people and hates the homeless and loves corporations. Get real", "The left would cancel Carlin if he was alive today.", "My interpretation is he’s just lashing out at the assault on comedy. For a long time guys at his level have complained and been weary of the PC cancel culture if they say one wrong joke. \n\nI think the issue for him isn’t so much the trans community as it’s just the group that’s chosen to have an issue with things he’s said. And honestly this is the closest he’s come to cancel culture so I’m sure this is a bit of lashing out over the last few specials.\n\nAnd because this is the subject matter that’s gotten him to this point, he’s choosing to double down and push back", "TERF is a branch of feminism that focuses on advocating for cis women's rights. Don't like it? No need to join, there are plenty of other movements that are for pro trans rights. Had they been shitting on trans rights they'd most certainly be a hate group; pursuing their own interest that doesn't align with your own does not make them a hate group. You people trying to force your belief down everyone's throats is what's killing people like DC's trans friend.", "lmaooo", "Oh.. yah... Dave isn't a bigot because he has ~~black~~ trans friends.\n\nYah... I tOtAlLy believe that line.", ">Let’s listen to the people who are actually affected by what he said. \n\nPeople only want to do this when it supports their narrative. I am Mexican-American who grew up in a low-income Hispanic immigrant community, and people give me shit for being against illegal immigration, despite me actually living in an environment with them. Ironically, the people who give me shit typically lived in diverse (mostly White and Asian) and affluent communities.", "Oh were you George Carlin's friend?", "I've had arguments with people saying \"he literally said he was a TERF\" and I'm saying yes, the guy that only refers to women as \"bitches\" is TERF and therefore by extension, a feminist...\n\nYes, makes total sense", "So, his comments led to ... consequences? And that's his big problem?", "I’m thinking of a particular Chevy Chase/Richard Pryor skit that most definitely couldn’t air today.", "You’re being awfully sensitive for someone decrying others for being too sensitive. Get off your high horse and try some empathy for a change.", "> The context: He explains that TERFS are biological women that view transgender women the same way the black people view people doing blackface. He then says that as a feminist, he agrees with that view (\"I'm team TERF\").\n\nThis is very wrong. The actual context was referencing JK Rowling and citing that she believes gender is a fact and was thusly labeled a TERF. He said in that case he is Team TERF because he views gender as a fact. It was not him saying he's team terf because he agrees trans women are like blackface.", "What power do trans people have? Not being shit on as hard as Palestinians? lol SMH TIL angry zoomers on Twitter = power. Trans employee got fired, Dave got 20 million and tons of free promotion that’s reality.", "Could you provide some examples of what you're talking about?", ">>It's a very fine line between satirizing stereotypes and reinforcing or amplifying them, and the comedian doesn't have perfect control over how or why people in the audience laugh at a joke about stereotypes.\n\nThis is exactly why a good number of people take issue with his trans jokes. For me this rings very true after seeing him speak on police violence and the black condition with his special last year after George Floyd got killed. He should know that civil rights are rights for everyone, and this new special is him just stoking flames for cash instead of doing constructive and introspective comedy.", "To paraphrase, OP just called Chappelle a \"young white male who is threatened by LGBTQ\".", "This is ironic because “making suffering a competition” sounds a whole lot like intersectionality.", "Imagine if you put that time writing this into literally anything that truly matters.", "I get the same vibes from a large section of fan's of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. All of the characters are horribly damaged people at all times but many don't seem to see it.", "He literally compared being trans to wearing a blackface. How on earth is that not transphobic?", "Cry me a river. Dave hurt your feels? The only comedy allowed is the type that makes fun of the people I don’t like 😢", "This was a super insightful writeup, thanks for addressing these points so clearly!", "well hey you still have 8 years, you might make it to his level by then", "It was a joke about the absurdity of Americans (largely republicans) protecting their guns more than their children.", "“Most [things] are not new. The signs of the ages...”\n- Bela Lugosi, Glen or Glenda (1953)", "There are rabid people. The reaction to this is proof of that", "Seemed to me like he was saying the trans movement is trying to attach itself to the women’s movement, and its holding women back and hurting their movement, so the movement should be separated.", "So, dave rather Andy Kaufman", "Came here to say this. Bill is one of my heroes, I even have a tattoo of him", "Hey now, I'm sure it will have some whining about not getting paid enough too.", "As in.. women are offended that transwomen would try and claim to be women.", "It's called being a feminist. Is it even a remotely valid discussion whether women exist? Transgender people are the most oppressed people in today's society, whether they were born female or not. Also feminism is supposed to be about gender equality, so shouldn't that include everyone, such as non binary folks?", "Gender and sex mean the same thing. Gender identity is what you refer to. Don’t expect us to change the rules of language just because you want to", "quite a few are on amazon prime", "I was a pretty sheltered kid, so I only really knew of him from this role, until I was like 15-16, when Jay and Silent Bob Strike back came out. \n\nI was VERY upset to see Mr. Conductor go down on a trucker.", "You can’t hide behind the “context” argument here. There is no other way to interpret this:\n\n> I’m team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact. You have to look at it from a woman’s perspective. Look at it like this, Caitlyn Jenner whom I have met, wonderful person. Caitlyn Jenner… was voted, woman of the year. Her first year as a woman. Ain’t that something? Beat every bitch in Detroit. She’s better than all of you. Never even had a period, ain’t that something? I’d be mad as shit if I was a woman. I’d be mad if I was me. If I was in the BET awards, sitting there and they’re like “And the winner for ngger of the year… Eminem.” My man. Gender is a fact, this is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on Earth had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on Earth. That is a fact. Now… I am not saying that to say, that trans women aren’t women. I’m just sayin, that those pussies that they got… You know what I mean?\n> \n> I’m not saying it is not pussy, but that’s like Beyond Pussy or Impossible Pussy. You know what I mean? It tastes like pussy but that’s not quite what it is, is it? It’s not blood, that is beet juice. Oh buddy, I’m in trouble now.", "Oh my gosh, I didn't realize I was speaking to the whole trans community! I'm honored, big fan.", "Your overt generalization proves the exact opposite.", ">But that wouldn't actually do anything to help you understand the actual emotions\n\nBut this is your assumption about me, and not actually me. You are assuming I couldn't understand why it's offensive when I realize it why, it may be I have a different opinion about what hes saying, and there may be an opportunity to see each other point of view and come to an understanding.\n\n> Throwing around a term like TERF, after demonstrating he is fully awareof what it is, and then claiming to be team terf, it's hurtful.\n\nI think this is a good starting point, because my belief here is he was using the term because of a build up he made through out the show. Let's just put this back in context, he had been calling himself \"Transphobic Comedian, Dave Chapelle\" for the better part of the show, hes very clearly leaning into the criticism about him, and him using the TERF label was in line with this for the part of his joke. So just connecting the dots with the act he brought up the point about Caitlyn Jenner being woman of the year as why he would explore that label. He didn't criticize Caitlyn for being trans, just that Caitlyn did kinda usurped something from a lot of people's points of view and used white wealth as a vehicle for it, as well as the trans movement. I can see how the use of the label can be hurtful, but when I heard it and questioned it, and it was tied tot his specific point, I saw him making an argument more about language and labels than a community.\n\n> The whole thing about Daphne was wrong. It wasn't twitter feedback thatkilled her. But his making it that, has sure as hell convinced a lot ofpeople it was true, and that does nothing for the trans community as awhole.\n\nPersonally, I felt the line Dave used was an emotional thought, and it was personally driven he made those comments about twitter, he also recognized that may have not been the case, but to him it was. You are right that twitter didn't kill Daphne, but if he was correct that people didn't agree with Daphne's point of view when it came to Dave, and she was bullied for that, isn't it fair to bring this up as a point? This doesn't have to be about the entire community as a whole, can't it be about the people who participate in the bullying? The people bullying on twitter aren't necessarily part of any of those communities either.\n\n> And the whole bit about gay people being minorities until they need tobe white again just ignores the fact that the LGBT+ community isanything but all white.\n\nThis is true, but it doesn't mean it doesn't also happen. Around this point in the show, Dave also made a point about a black person at the start of slavery who when he became free, bought himself a shit load of slaves, and treated them terribly. There is a recognition hes making that the lines of privilege are very easy to cross, and it wasn't solely meant to be directed one way.\n\n> The closest I can get to explaining it, maybe, and it is still notpotent enough, is to ask you to imagine for a second that there issomething in your life that you fought for, were willing to die for,almost did die for and got through it to come out the other side.\n\nAll I can say, even ask here, is for a little bit of empathy and ask yourself if you truly believe I haven't had that situation in my life?\n\n> I can't ask you to understand it, but I can ask you to believe that whena group of people is largely saying that something like what he said ishurtful, you believe that to them, it is actually hurtful.\n\nNo one doesn't believe that you can't, or aren't allowed to be offended by the jokes. I think most people with empathy understand that. But the core of the issue is, does this deserve to be protested? Is it really so horrible it can't be enjoyed by others, and you can't just not watch it because it doesn't suit your tastes?", "It's an older usage, sir, but it checks out", "the fact that he's punching at all, let alone up, down or sideways is the issue. maybe he can make comedy that doesn't target people for just existing (you think he'd know how that feels being black). it's a matter of safety, if you're making jokes about a people to anyone who is likely to cause harm to that people, you're actively encouraging them to view that people as lesser. that in my mind is an attack on social status, which I'm sure happened a lot towards other races many years ago when the white males were at peak power, and contributed to the disgusting violence and hatred that we've seen in the centuries since. anything that's not acceptance and education is likely to contribute, even neutrality, as then the ones thinking about making an attack of any sort hasn't been dissuaded or stopped from worsening the situation when a few words of kindness could have helped. ghandi once said - “I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.”. now I'm an atheist, but if the stories are true, jesus was a kind accepting sort of a guy who just wouldn't tolerate money being earned from the potential suffering of others.", "> Then he makes the point that trans people have successfully canceled virtually any comedian who dares aim a joke at them.\n\nRemember what happened to Michael Richard's career? Started dropping the hard R and his career disappeared. Why? Because outright bigotry has a shelf life and no one is going to attempt to defend it. So what's going on with Dave is different how? They don't have power otherwise they wouldn't be protesting. That's not how power works.", "> trans people have successfully canceled virtually any comedian who dares aim a joke at them.\n\nWould you care to list some examples of specific comedians who have been 'cancelled' for their Trans joke?\n\nActually, just give me some examples of comedians who have been 'cancelled' purely for what they've said on stage as opposed to their notorious shitty behaviour off stage. As a giant comedy nerd for decades I cannot myself think of any.\n\nThe fact is, Louis is doing sold out theatres and arenas still, Dave earns 10's of millions a special, D'Leia is starting to stick his toe back in the water.\n\nThe thing I find hypocrtical is that Dave quit his show and turned down 50 million because he believed white people were laughing at his sketches for the wrong reasons, which served to reinforce negative racial stereotypes. He was absolutely right to be furious at the situation. However, there is no way he is not aware the things he is saying specifically about the trans and gay lgbt+ communities are being taken in the wrong context by a certain portion of his audience. You can't have it both ways.\n\nAnd for context, I am a massive Dave Chapelle fan, and continue to be and he absolutely should go down as the one the greatest to ever do it. Just my 2 cents.", ">not a single person has provided proof that she was harassed over the incident.\n\nBut Dave Chappelle said it on the most boring special he's ever produced so it must be true.", "Tell me more about how the groups that have the support of the strongest corporations, a majority of politicians, and have literally reshaped culture are weak/powerless/being punched down upon.", "The enemy of my enemy...", "terfs aren't a group, it's a label angry people give to women who say anything that even appears to be anti-trans. Usually the target doesn't identify as a feminist or radical or anything. They're just a woman. It's like saying \"Karens\" are a hate group. And it's really a sexist label since it's only used against women.", "They seem to. If you say anything negative about trans people on reddit see what happens to you.", "I don’t care about the context, I just wish the jokes were better. That’s the only thing I’m offended by. That should be step #1. \n\nIt’s wild that people are saying this is a “ 10/10 special, the best he’s ever done.” A 6/10 is generous.", "Carlin fought very hard for the rights of comedians to say what they want on stage. He has been cited and arrested on multiple occasions.", "He's a rude dude but he's the real deal, lean and mean- cocked, locked and ready to rock.", "Now, people like ADC's character run for president and establish a serious cult following.", "If they want to be protected fine, let them stay protected. The protected class stays weak and marginalized. There's plenty of groups who think they are being oppressed. Mind over matter is real (placebo effect, hypochondria, etc) If you wish to suppress yourself, I can't do much; but you choosing not to get on your feet, does NOT make me the oppressor.", "The Joker", ">Maybe, I just know that he knows* they get upset when he makes jokes about them, and knowingly still tells said jokes. For whatever reason,\n\nComedians make fun of people and things. Being offended by a comedian is like going to strip club and being offended by naked people.", "Trans people don’t hold any power though. lol Dave is a Black Cis-Het Millionaire. He’s been rich and influential over half his life now and it shows in his comedy, same thing happened to Jerry Seinfeld. Though to be fair with Dave he didn’t start dating a 16 year old at any time like Creepy Jerry.", "Lol let me assure you that Reddit isn’t real life.", "Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imaginations of ourselves. Now here's George Carlin with the weather.", "I think it's funny. This particular bit seems terrible now but back then it was funny. The audience is laughing. When I heard it back then I laughed. Even listening to it now I chuckled a few times.", "Honestly, Chapelle is as close as anyone I’ve ever seen to Carlin. Until the recent trans stuff.\n\nCarlin was never one to punch down. He was brilliant, insightful and could easily express his ideas in a way people could understand. \n\nChappell has always been the same. \n\nHis trans stuff Is the first time I’ve ever seen him not be Carlin-esque. And this clip explains why.", "Only thing im finding on hbomax regarding carlin is when he was on the chris rock show, which is a great walk down memory lane in itself", "We all gotta learn the unwritten book of the road at some point, kiddo", "Quoting lines in a comedy special is weaselly as fuck. One of the typical setups for a comedian is to start \"extreme\" and gradually reel the audience back in. Patrice did a ton of it, so did Norm. It's like an exercise, starting with an extreme premise and ending with a punchline the audience can agree on.", "You're gonna need to google what hate groups \"literally\" mean before you even read my reply. \n\nTERF is a branch of feminism that focuses on advocating for cis women's rights. They neither condemn nor terrorize trans movement. Don't like it? No need to join. Go join pro trans right groups and advocate for rights there, like any other groups have done for all of history.", "I still think you missed the mark", "I must have missed that part of comedy school where they claim to be part of a hate group for laughs.", "No he didn’t.", "Blackface is unexpected, think he'd find that funny?", "But Dave isn't really speaking to disaffected white males like dice was. I'm sure theyre totally interested in his George Floyd documentary", "The last one was honestly funny. - a trans person\nThe rest were pretty old boomer ish rehashed once again.", "What's more, even if the audience was taking it as an act, Clay is still punching down. It might have held up if he had created a character that was saying shit only a sad old relic would say, as long as it was pointed at an institution of power. But he's still just crafting a massively bigoted act against gay people. Whether it's him, or a persona, is irrelevant. Both roads end up going the same direction.", "An account made today telling off everyone in this thread defending a comedian covering a controversy involving comedy sparking outrage.\n\nI'm honestly curious if you've watched the special in full, or any of the previous specials he did that also touch on the topic. Chappelle isn't perfect but he isn't up there trying to spark hate or call anyone lesser. I think he's reacting as a comedian to the Twitter outrage machine targeting his material with little to no context (with comedy even a direct quote can be a bullshit way to judge if you cut out tone, prior setup in the act or assume all of the words being said are meant as personal beliefs).\n\nBut no, you knew that already, you're just here to make sure people feel bad for thinking this isn't a black and white case of good vs bad.\n\nLook at standup from Anthony Jeselnik or Bill Burr and let us know if you think they actually believe in some of the jokes they say. If you do you're the only idiot here.\n\nMan even George Carlin has a bit about \"people that should be fucking killed\" and it's hilarious, but only an idiot would think he's actually advocating violence against those people.", "lol, you’re such a cornball.", "I didn’t ask if a particular bit was funny, because you said the entire point of ADC was to be an asshole. I always thought the point of comedians was to be funny.", "Exactly. He’s boring now, one note.", "That's the problem. When you boil down this argument, a ton of the people supporting Dave either don't understand the gravity of the context and how it can lead to the perpetuation of violence or they just actually believe that trans people are faking it/gross/whatever. \n\nFor those thinking \"it's just jokes,\" the pastor cumming on a kid's face bit is a common talking point. The pastor cum joke is offensive only to people who find that kind of imagery too disgusting to talk about or people who are staunchly defensive of the Catholic Church. The victim of the joke is not the kid having his face painted, it's the church because we all know their gross secrets. No child is going to get a preacher facial because of this joke.\n\nThe Team TERF bit is offensive because it promotes an ideology that is very prevalent that invalidates the existence of trans people. The victim of the joke is trans people. Someone literally might actually be killed because of this joke. \n\nIt's just two different kinds of offense. \n\n\"That is naughty! Do not say that!\" versus, \"Don't give the people who want to murder us extra ammunition for doing so.\"", "Fuck, everyone is offended in the woke crowd. It’s easier to be a generic mf walking around life with no opinion and I believe that’s what they want... essentially conformity to their narrow woke mindset with zero deviation or any argument.", "Well, George Carlin thought it was offensive at the time.", "I didn't see the comparison much before I knew who George was talking about...but after knowing that it was Dice, it's surely a not even close feeling. \n\nDice was one of the most vulgar mainstream comics at that time. My generation of guys loved him just like the generation of the 2000s got wrapped up in Jackass. He was a shock approach act that faded out like he should have.", "> Considering he has lgbt people defending him\n\nAnd plenty of us are also criticizing him. \n\nI don't think a straight cis man should be commenting on the nuances of LGBT+ communities just like I, a white person, don't feel my voice on any issues inside the black community or Asian community has any weight. \n\nI think it this regard he should stay in his lane because he has no idea what he's talking about because it's not his life. \n\nLearning about a culture and being ingrained in that culture are two different things.", "Maybe you should watch the special? Or stop talking about it? Either would be a better and healthier option than getting outraged about a comedy set that you haven’t seen, but have heard is offensive.", "No doubt. I think he would be more acid on the feminist jokes.", "But is no match for the intellectual genius of “fuck yo couch” ofc.", "Well, did some light research and seems like this guy's schtick was/is being offensive. So I wouldn't hold it up as an example since this probaly wasn't probaly bread and butter of the comedians even back then.", "I agree that someone can be smart and ignorant. I’m just saying his words deserve more scrutiny than I think they get.", "I feel like you may have missed the point of that bit.", "If you really think Dave's 30 minute long, well thought out bits, are anywhere near as offensive as what Dice did, you CLEARLY did not pay attention, or didn't watch the special at all. \n\nAre there lines that if cherry picked could be seen as offensive, of fucking course. But if you listen to the whole thing and walk away thinking \"Man, Dave really hates trans people\", you clearly are not paying attention to his words.", "But in this case, isn't Dave Chappelle the underdog?\n\nIt's literally him versus big corporations. Not your trans cousin.", "They grow on the acronym trees of Peru", "In the timed link, Jon Lovitz is quoting andrew from a conversation they had about his intent.", "Wyld Stallyns!!!", "And he has people of that community defending him. And he used proper pronouns all throughout. Yall don't listen and manufacture your own outrage.", "Then he probably should re-evaluate his own contributions. Like that time he had half the twenty something white dudes in America shouting \"the n word\" everywhere they went.", "I don't think he phrased his show from the stand point of someone who understood the LBGT experience. He was making observations about things going on, that are attached to parts of the LGBT community he didn't agree with. Some of those things aren't even the LGBT community even, just people online who will do shitty things on behalf of them.\n\nThe part about DaBaby specifically, when he brought the whole topic up, was a pretty good illustrator of this. Literally murder hurt his career less than saying negative things about the LGBT community. Do you feel saying bad things about the LGBT community is worse than literal murder?\n\nI am more than happy to discuss any line with you in the show since it seems like you saw it, and certainly don't waste your time going through my post history to find out, yeah I have argued with a lot of people who didn't watch the show.", "I don't care what they sayb or think, because they don't care what I say or think", "When you stand on the shoulders of giants, you’ll eventually look down at them.", "Even then, he wasn't making fun of kids, he was using hyperbole to criticize America's gun culture and political systems.", "Are you saying trans women can give birth?", "You realize that in 35 years, people in some future version of reddit will be playing Dave clips just like this and being appalled at what an out of touch rich ass he is the same way people see Dice today.", "Chappelle’s not punching down. To think so ignores the clear overreach of the woke crowd and very real power they wield in cancel culture. \n\nHis point (or one of them) is that while he understands why they need to fight, their tactics are alienating too many potential allies.", "Chapelle is a rich old angry black man who now is in it to milk every fool out of cash. He doesn't do comedy. Chappelle just pontificates to an audience that somehow finds in him some weird ass messiah. The fucked up thing is, he plays messiah for that audience.\n\nGeorge Carlin never did that shit. Carlin never allowed himself to become that. Carlin was a funny man until the end.\n\nWhy?\n\nBecause anything else is \"bullshit and it's bad for ya\"\n\nSo don't try to use Carlin to dig Chappelle out of the hole he is in. Chapelle stopped being funny a long time ago. Now he has nothing better to do. What Chapelle should be doing, is using all that money he has made, to help people out. He's clearly bored af.\n\nChapelle, that fucker complains he is being cancelled? For fuck's sake, he's playing full arenas, not the fucking comedy store. He's turned into black old pussy is what it is, and not even the kind I like.", ">\"Call me Rick\"\n\n>\"I'll call you whatever I want to call you, Richard!\"\n\nBut to force someone to call you Richard by rule of law is evil and repugnant. But its more like saying \"Call me lubedoctor69\" \"No, your name is Richard. \"Reeeee!!! Hate criiiiiiime!!!\"", "I'm not even gonna bother answering this one since you clearly 1) didn't even watch the special 2) failed to understand the very nuanced analogy he made after making his points crystal clear.", "> \"I bet they didn't watch the whole special\"\n\n...so say the people who immediately stopped reading your comment once they assumed you must be trans or LGBT or woke. Same people mocking Hannah Gadsby now who think a queer entertainer can never be funny.", "He's not though.", "I used to think so, but now I think he went too far in glorifying drugs and batshit conspiracy theories.", "Larry looks like he’s trying to kiss him the whole time.", "Comparing Chapelle to Dice is fucking insane, too. Also to note, Carlin would defend Dave over some fucking corporate netflix clowns any day. Keep in mind this is also the guy whose most famous bit, the 7 Dirty Words, is all about pro free speech (which is something reddit would fucking hate today if it came out).", "I think the same could be said for younger people. Some of them t think having a bias makes you evil and racist. Deserving of being removed from all studio work and major programming networks.", "First off, I agree with everything your saying but the idea that a comedian is going to stand on stage for an hour and not say something offensive to someone is ridiculous. Let's listen to them absolutely but if we are getting into the cancel culture territory over something like this than that's where you lose me and I'll tell you why. Whether it be disability, religion, terminal illnesses/diseases, race, sex, wealth or what ever else you can imagine there will always be people who feel as equally offended or moreso as some of the trans community do now. Comedy does not exist if people are not allowed to be offended.", "Pretty sure he makes fun of people getting AIDS, during the AIDS epidemic. Or is that Raw?\n\nEdit: This is the clip I was talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egoDQv43hAw", ">Then, people bites the bait just as easily as Dave predicted, skipping the bigger point raised on the last part of the special over a previous bit where Dave makes a trans joke.\n\nSee, what I'm getting from this is that a comedian tried a bit of shock comedy and it backfired. He offered a setup, and a lot of people thought it was crass enough to not want to stick around for the punchline. \n\nThis is the risk of shock comedy. \n\n Dave said some appallingly shitty things, seemingly to intentionally piss people off. He does not get to then complain that those people he pissed off on purpose don't want to stick around for the end of the set. \n\n>. He's not punching down on trans people, he's pointing the hypocrisy of online social warriors.\n\nI mean, it can be both. He can point out the hypocrisy of \"online justice warriors\" _and_ spread the dishonest arguments and rhetoric used by transphobes to attack and marginalize Trans people. Because that's what he did. I'm sure he'll be attacked by lots of online justice warriors for that. But he'll also face a fair number of people who are just, yknow, pissed about him being shitty to trans people, _again_.", ">It’s ridiculous to honestly believe that terfs are radical feminist. \n \nIt stands for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist...", "He came to the major city in my province (I'm Canadian) to test material once. We're pretty small compared to most major American cities. So I was very fortunate to get tickets for the one and only show he ever did in person here.\n\nEasily one of my top five experiences of all time. I have never laughed so hard in my life. We laughed so much I started to hope the set would end soon just because it was physically hurting me to keep laughing. I was sore for a week.\n\nTotally worth it. I fucking loved Carlin. Always have, always will.", "> He is challenging us from insulating our views to criticism.\n\nWhile insisting he cannot be criticized. Instant fail. Sorry.I don't need Chapelle to lecture to me. \n\n> He is also challenging those who aren't hearing that and blindly trying to stop the dialogue\n\nWhilst very much making it clear that he may stop the dialogue. Most sincere apologies, your Majesty, for speaking out of place. I humbly offer up my severed tongue as tribute.\n\n> If you don't understand the difference between your gender identity and your gender then it's hard to demand others to understand.\n\n\"Accept my definitions, not yours! It's your experience, but I shall tell you what it is!\" Look, I don't have a dog in that fight at all, but if you can't see that Chapelle (and to the extent that you accept this argument) are doing the exact same fucking thing as the people who want a more inclusive definition, there is no more proof necessary that you are not well-equipped to be entering this argument. You are fighting for semantics while others are trying to experience basic human dignity. You may win simply by shouting more loudly, but don't pretend like you have skin in the game.", "All words are made up", "What did Chappelle do?", "When the joke is someone else's existence, that's a pretty tough pill for those people. Of course hate is worse, but mocking them for being is still tough.", "That was Dice's act. It was to be as offensive as possible. Pure shock humor.", "I remember when he broke big in the last 80's. It was \"slightly\" humorous for about a week - until you heard being an asshole was his while schtick. I knew someone who loved Dice so I asked them - take some of his bit, remove the profanity - see how funny they are still.", "Conform to the cries of a tiny minority or be canceled. You're a part of everything that is ruining comedy.", "Here is a link to an article discussing the nuance and impacts of chapelle’s anti trans jokes, including data to support the argument that it is harmful and puts trans folks in greater danger. https://www.vox.com/culture/22738500/dave-chappelle-the-closer-daphne-dorman-trans-controversy-comedy", "A lot of reddit still REEEs if you point this out though.", "That's what I loved about Chapelle show. Noone was safe. Equally.", "No. Dan Carlin used this phrase... And he's referring to the audience not the performer.", "If you'd actually listen to the whole joke you'd know. Dave's comedy has always been about getting people to reassess their traditional view of society. For example his \"Space Jews\" joke was set up to make you think of the invaders as the objectively \"bad\" guys. Only for Dave to reveal that he's really talking about Israel which is usually portrayed as the victim by pretty much every western nation.\n\nDave starts the joke by saying \"I'm team TERF\", which is supposed to illicit a negative reaction from you. Then he goes on to explain the ridiculousness of Catelyn Jenner accepting the woman of the year award despite living the VAST majority of her life as a white male. Her struggle, while real and very valid, doesn't represent the struggles women face fighting sexism their whole lives.\n\nYou're supposed to reflect on the situation not in a way that makes you and anyone listening \"Team TERF\", but in a way that makes you acknowledge the TERF movement isn't simply a void of anger to be dismissed at any mention of the word \"TERF\".", "I think there's different types of intelligence. You can be incredibly book smart, but lack social/emotional intelligence.\n\nIt's entirely possible to be the smartest person in the room in the book smarts sense, and be a complete dunce when it comes to social interaction.", "I'm sure chapelle thinks he isn't punching up or down, or at least won't admit to it, but the so called trans community seems to act as if it has some sort of divine right to force society to kowtow to its every whim", "> I feel like YOU missed a lot of the context of this COMMENT because of all the INFLAMMATORY STATEMENTS around it.", "[https://www.thedailybeast.com/dave-chappelle-backed-by-family-of-late-transgender-comedian-daphne-dorman-from-the-closer](https://www.thedailybeast.com/dave-chappelle-backed-by-family-of-late-transgender-comedian-daphne-dorman-from-the-closer)\n\n\\>Two of Dorman’s sisters told The Daily Beast they were outraged at the suggestion that Chappelle’s set was transphobic or derogatory toward the LGBTQ community, saying they wanted to make clear they supported the comedian.\n\n\\>Becky wanted to make clear that her family does not blame Dorman’s death on Chappelle. “After she committed suicide, all I saw all over social media was Dave Chappelle-bashing,” she said. “I commented on so many posts, which is something I do not do. I commented to defend Dave.", ">Even the implication of \"play ball\" shows you don't actually believe gender and sex are different things\n\nI'm not the one you replied to, but I absolutely do not believe those are different things.\n\nI can express that view without being hateful or discriminatory. However, in my experience I'm rarely free to be open about my thoughts and opinions on that without receiving hate or discrimination", "Fox News is taking Dave's side. That should tell you (and him) something.", "Whew, barely took one minute to put the whole thing into context. People just want to be willfully ignorant about things they don't like these days. People ready to storm the Barclays Center over an idiot basketball player who is just being selfish. To me Dave's stand up is no different. It's like he doesn't think black Trans people exist. He completely leaves female to male trans people out of the conversation too. Whatever he's trying to do isn't interesting or funny it just puts him in the same category as people like David Spade or Jerry Seinfeld. Cancel culture or younger Generations can't be blamed for shitty writing.", "There you go with the \"you people\" again. You're being disingenuous, or you have no idea what you're talking about. TERFs don't just advocate cis rights, they actively deny that being transgender is real, and it has had political implications. \n\nThe funniest part of this whole exchange is you telling me that Im part of the problem or whatever, and that silencing other people's views is killing this country, but look at you, you fucking hypocrite. All you're doing is trying to get me to shut the fuck up. Hypocrites gonna hypocrite though. \n\nI've grown tired of you. Good bye.", "Is that how you can explain having an Alex Jones face tattooed on you?", "Conservatives use MLK as a figure against the left when he was a Progressive Revolutionary and Socialist. “Leftist” tankies cry that Mao was just and selfless ruler. The Libs think it’s cute when one War criminal wife takes candy from another war criminal and if you put George Bush on the ticket for Dems in the 2024 Primary they’d probably push him as the “Centrist that can cross the aisle”Propaganda is a hell of a fucking drug", "> Chappelle doesn't think he's punching down.\n\nAh yes, the rich old bigot with hundreds of millions, whining about not getting paid enough is somehow oppressed by someone who can't use a public bathroom safely. I never looked at it like that, now I just feel terrible for Dave and his poor oppressed life.", "Respect him for being a trailblazer in comedy but never found him that funny. Not my type of humor. I do enjoy his insights during interviews like this. Also thought Andrew Dice Clay sucked...like wasn't even close to funny.", "If he thought he could fly, why didn't he try taking off from the ground first?", "Well, fuck those cocksucking motherfuckers, I hope some cunt shits and pisses all over their tits.", "Well the argument is that during the early 2000s and before, it was the conservatives that were policing language, tv/movie content, and morality. Now it's the liberal side going ham with it.", "As much as I would love to think America views trans people as equals, they don't. They're the most marginalized group we have.\n\nDave himself identifies as a TERF and a transphobe in that special and misgenders his so-called dead friend while blaming the trans community for her suicide and you think he's \"punching straight\"? Fucking please.", "TIL LGBTQ is not a powerful group.", "NOOOOOOOOO", "This isnt relevant because Dave is not being kept from doing anything and I doubt he would be as ignorant as most people about about trans issues.", "I think the line is drawn between people who accept that the experiences/perspectives/issues both cisgender and transgender females face all fall under the larger umbrella of womanhood, and that neither is a threat to the other - you can recognize the struggles of trans women without undermining the struggles of cisgender women.\n\nWhereas, TERFs would argue that womanhood only refers to the experiences/perspectives/issues faced by cisgender females, and that extending the meaning of womanhood to also include the experiences of trans women fundamentally threatens or is otherwise disrespectful towards the identity of cisgender women.\n\nEDIT: accidentally posted before I was done typing.", "Oh, I'm old and nearly dead.", "Sure we can if we learn from our peers who belong to those groups. Saying we can't have any voice because we are not a part of it is being very exclusionary and ignorant.\n\n>Learning about a culture and being ingrained in that culture are two different things.\n\nSure but that does not mean the person learning \"has no idea\". Of course they have an idea that's how empathy works. How the fuck do you want people to be supportive if they try to learn but you don't let them have any input?", "Show them Eddie Murphy’s raw. \nI remember laughing my ass off to that in my teenage years. It’s really hard to watch today and I don’t laugh at all.", "Neither are universities, but it seems to me that its slowly been seeping in to real life activity. With recent acceleration for some reason I haven't determined yet. I'm guessing foreign entities are trying to destroy america from within", "Where is the punching down in this bit. I want you to point it out to me.", "I'm guessing you've never actually been to r/trans or any other trans-friendly sub.", "Lots of defensive tweets around this time replying to deleted tweets: https://twitter.com/DaphneDorman/status/1168572626786082816?t=4Zzjq-WouprCVaE3MVrfBg&s=19\n\nWhat was that about?", "Ah yes the ol' \"I politely disagree with your right to exist\"", "Have you seriously never heard of a financial analyst?", "And redditors would fucking hate Carlin if he were alive today. He'd be some old free speech white guy they'd call boomer or some shit. And he'd never be left enough a la bill maher. \n\nPlus the only person Carlin would be defending here is Dave vs some twitter assholes.", "You are constructing a strawman. OP never once said others were sensitive, OP claimed that their opinion matters too.\n\nYou are literally making things up.", "You could just disagree. Thats ok. To disagree with some people about some things.\n\nAlso as others have said, its a comedy special. Not a college lecture. He can make shit up to make jokes. In fact probably most jokes by all comedians are made up.", "I remember watching the beginning of Raw in like 10 years ago when I was an edgy teenager and thinking it was a bit much.", "This man was brilliant. An absolute legend.", "That isn't how the word is used.", "Lol that was “cooold bloooded”", "What context are you removing and trying to be outraged about here? The fact he said he liked stonewall in a joke about them not being so easily outraged like our current environment? It's exactly this kind of bullshit comment that it's targeting.", "If you watched special, he says one of the most compelling line from any of the previous specials and I think is the core message of this last one, which ironically enough, is actually from the very same friend from the community that he isn't \"sympathetic\" towards. \"I don't need you to understand it [being a trans woman], I just need you to respect my human experience.\" Dave Chappelle makes it a point to tell the audience there are some things he doesn't understand, but he believes that people deserve respect regardless of their identity. He doesn't have any hostility or hate to the trans community, but because he makes jokes about other marginalized groups, why should he treat the trans community any differently?", "If you watched special, he says one of the most compelling line from any of the previous specials and I think is the core message of this last one, which ironically enough, is actually from the very same friend from the community that he isn't \"sympathetic\" towards. \"I don't need you to understand it [being a trans woman], I just need you to respect my human experience.\" Dave Chappelle makes it a point to tell the audience there are some things he doesn't understand, but he believes that people deserve respect regardless of their identity. He doesn't have any hostility or hate to the trans community, but because he makes jokes about other marginalized groups, why should he treat the trans community any differently?", "There's a joke in here about female comedians but it fucked off when Louis CK pulled his dick out.\n\nAlso the threat to Chappelle's career is not that a tiny minority of largely marginalized, impoverished people are mad at him. The threat is that the rest of us _listen_ to that minority, and say, \"Huh, shit, yknow what, that _was_ a really fucked up thing to do, and a lot less funny now that I understand why you're upset.\"\n\nIn reality, no trans person in the world has any fucking power over Chappelle's career. Or JK Rowling's, for that matter. The most they can offer is a negative review.", "Thanks, I actually didn't know what TERF stood for or meant. I think all people deserve love and respect. \n\nIt has been a while since I saw Dave's special, but from what I can remember he made this movement sound way less hateful?", "He said TERFs \" look at transgender women the way we Blacks look at Blackface\" and he called himself a TERF", "To me, Carlin is the GOAT. And I, honestly, don't see a close second in stand up. I find it laughable that anyone would try to bring him up as an \"executioner\" for Chappelle. I also totally agree about Dice.", "Where is your source for that?\n\nAlso, who says that the harassment wasn't building it up, and the loss of the kid and job was the last straw that broke her?\n\nHow she died doesn't change the fact that the trans community just shit on her for defending Dave. Dave isn't transphobic.", "To be fair it is kind of funny being trapped in another genders body. If that happened to me it would be hilarious", "Jane, you ignorant slut!", "Just show them Carlin's free speech rants and he'd be \"alt-right\" in a matter of seconds.", "chappelle is punching down? i haven't seen his last special but usually if you take in consideration the context of the joke and within the special overall he don't punch down, he make bridges.", "Yeah fucking murdered. Google trans people murdered in 2021 and read the list. Your ignorance doesn’t change the reality of being trans.", "> Carlin would 100% be criticizing Dave's comments\n\nYou think Carlin would have a problem with the way Dave constructs his jokes? \n\nNo I think Carlin would have a lot to say in support of Dave who has declared war not on trans people, but liberal cancel culture and corporations who kowtow to these oversensitive idiots.", "I apologize, bit I am still out of the loop. What did dave do?", "How does one make this argument and not realize how dumb it is? Lol is everything a \"diversion\" of everything else? You realize humanity is capable to dealing with multiple things at once right? At no point in history has society only dealt with one thing at once lol. Nor should they. This argument is so fallacious it's obvious you are only making it serve your bias, not to make a logical and/or rational point.", "How about people stop being but hurt over comedy and just appreciate a good joke.\n\nI am a middle eastern immigrant, but when a guy in high school once called me a “towel headed camel jockey” I literally died of laughter because I found it so damn funny. \n\nPeople need to lighten up and stop looking for excuses to be offended.", "Ah yes, literally calling yourself transphobic and a TERF is pointing out the hypocrisy of trans people and definitely not transphobia.", "Sounds like he's talking about kaufmen. Hiw does this relate to Dave?", "Bamboozled is pretty funny, yeah", "Good question.\n\nDa Baby can kill a person and nothing negative happens in his career. \n\nDa Baby exhibits gross homophobia and gets cancelled. \n\nHot take from the special, society believes egregious homophobia is worse than killing someone.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceS\\_jkKjIgo", "Carlin made some great points here! Shame it doesn't matter as this is reddit and reddit will find any reason under the sun to hate and demean trans people because it's reddit. They don't give a shit about free speech or comedy or cancel culture, they just want to hate trans people because trans people exist and it's the hot new thing to do since just regular homophobia has gone out of style. Go and check holUp or cringetopia or trueoffmychest or unpopularopinion and then accept this truth and give up like all trans people have.", "Carlin is being taken out of context in use against chapelle. But his conversation only can be used with regards to Andrew dice clay who he was expressly talking about. The situations are not the same and it is disingenuous to pretend otherwise.", "So, just checking, they’re not killing black people in any part of the world?", "I wouldn't take people on Reddit as being indicative of the wider population with the anonymity and such. But yeah I have been to those places unfortunately, the worst one is greenandpleasant", "As of the time of me making this comment, people are taken down differently in more totalitarian places than they are in America. Lets hope it stays that way. But you might be right, maybe Dave is just too big for it work at the moment.", "Yeah the character is a funny asshole. He insults everyone. Even the audience. Don Rickles did the same sort of thing. I find the Dice character funny because of the outlandish asshole bit. Always have since I was a kid and still do. I just listened to a bunch of Dice albums on Spotify and although some of it hasent aged well like this particular bit I found myself laughing a whole lot.", "Calling it the 80s woulda been easier. As 89 is 80s", "I grew up watching Carlin. But what he says here isn't related to Chappelle. Dave is brutal honest and I didn't find what he said to be anti trans. It's like calling someone an antisemite because they speak up for Palestinian rights.", "\"Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.\"", "I feel like I should like Hicks but I don't. Like Carlin, for example, is very well spoken, very insightful, funny, but also extremely moral. There's an earnest wisdom to Carlin. Hicks just comes off as a cocky prick to me. I want to hang out with Carlin. I'd rather not with Hicks.", "People are just mad the trans community keeps recipts, doesn't get complacent with baby steps, and fights for every inch.", "Also, Dave didn't go to her funeral or either of her memorials so I don't know how great of a friend he was or that I would take his word over the word of her roommate.", "Not to mention, \"Hitler did nothing wrong\" without context works more as a joke because it's obviously false, no one worth mentioning would debate or believe that, and serves as a mockery of Holocaust deniers.\n\nBut \"trans women aren't actually women\" is a commonly held viewpoint currently, so it can be seen as someone just using \"truth\" as part of their joke.\n\nBut Reddit would rather cheer on their TERF golden idol than accept even some criticism against him.", "This comment string is a perfect example of the shit people spout without having watched the special. You twist his words into a narrative for whatever agenda you want.\n\nHe literally mentioned that he does not know the reasons for her death and doesn't accuse the Twitter activists for her suicide. However, he added, that those tweets certainly didn't help her situation during her last days. And that, truly, is not an outrageous take from him.", "It's more complex than the straight line you're drawing but I'm not going to defend ADC as much as just have a conversation from someone who was a \"young Gen Xer\" at the time who was a fan.\n\nAndrew Dice Clay was meant to be outrageous, regressive, controversial. It was his shtick, and the audience was in on the joke...well, except maybe for the most moronic. But generally, people were as sophisticated as they are today, just that society changed.\n\nI agree that a lot of this is sophomoric, low brow humor in this set. (I did like the \"wash and a blow dry\" line, sorry-not-sorry). But comics often get way more raunchy and offensive on the small stage.\n\nI don't remember these jokes from the albums that made him arena-famous. The jokes we told each other were more from his Nursery Rhymes bits. The guy was talented and unique at the time. Then again I was probably only 18 so what the fuck did I know about taste?\n\nLGBT folks were pretty alien to the general public in the 1980s. I had a gay step-uncle but he'd play raunchy comedy albums himself.\n\nThis ADC material was par for the course when it came to LGBT humor. Watch Eddie Murphy and you'll see the same kinds of jokes (just more funny IMHO). Sam Kinison, another highly regarded comic, also did his share of AIDS jokes.\n\nAgain, I'm not defending the routines, just saying it was a very different time.\n\nI will defend my generation though. We can agree that American society changed significantly since the 80s to the early 2000s (or whenever Will and Grace appeared on TV and Ellen came out, lol). So who changed it? We did, the same Boomers and Gen Xers who apparently all voted for Trump. Certainly wasn't the Millennials yet who were still watching Saturday morning cartoons in their PJs.\n\nThe funniest thing ADC said recently was when Trump was running for president: \"He stole my act\".\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>\"Progress can't come fast enough\"\n\nI'm with you but I see a danger in thinking that society always moves forward. I'm glad these old comedic bits are now seen as cringeworthy. But really, how different is what ADC is saying from Chappelle? Maybe Chappelle is being more polite and dancing around things that ADC put straight out there but its almost the same damn routine theme wise and your generation is lapping it up.\n\nEdit: Hmm, I ended on a hypocritical note, I think. Not really fair to criticize a generalization of my generation and then say \"your generation is\" doing anything as a whole. I think I just got tired of typing on my phone.", "> I can express that view without being hateful or discriminatory.\n\nWell I'd disagree, because that view is the same as stating transgender people don't exist. You're saying that people aren't actually transgender, they're just people who \"claim to be transgender\".\n\nIt's also just objectively false. There is no shared sexual development among all women that exhaustively excludes all trans women. They literally just aren't synonyms.\n\n> I'm rarely free to be open about my thoughts and opinions on that without receiving hate or discrimination\n\ngood lol. Keep posting in your quarantine lockdown subreddit and getting banned.", "Who is the \"he\" you are referencing? George Carlin? Of course he didn't watch Chappelle's special. He's dead. For quite some time now.", "\"As a cishet white man.\" Lmao.", "Hence \"to paraphrase\". But can you seriously compare Chappelle to Diceman? Or their material? Or their audience? If the answer to any of those is yes, I have nothing to say any further.\n\nAlso, it's George. George Carlin. The greatest stand up comedian of all times.", "Completely agree. Let Dave be an asshole, all I care about his calling him out. I don't need him removed from the platform Im just gonna criticize him at face value.", "Its not lazy if it's accurate, granted, he never did make it to MSG, but he had crazy large rallies where all that was said were crude \"jokes\" and \"truth\" that was meant to enrage and entertain...only difference I see is the venue.", "They are underdogs. But the underdog twitter mob also killed his friend, who was an underdog. I mean, I would double down too if that happened.", "that's the only way I've ever seen it used", "Not at my age.", ">Its easy to think that Chappelle is making jokes about trans people, but I see it as more of making jokes about people using a history of mistreatment against others as a way to put others down and quiet any sort of questioning, criticism, or opposing view points as if its the same those who would assault someone for being different.\n\nTwo things.\n\nFirstly, it can be both of those things. Like, he's making jokes about those people, while also directly voicing his support for an anti-trans hate movement.\n\nSecondly, \"Trans people try to shut down all discussion\" _is a lie spread by transphobes_.", "Dave is a terf in so far that he doesnt believe transwomen are \"real\" women. \n\nI dont think hes really a feminist, he was just positioning himself like that in order to align himself with who he thought were allies against trans women.", "Isn’t all the over reaction to what Dave said the whole point he was making? It’s like a religion to these woke wackos and they can’t see how delusional and extremist they really are.\n\nThey are like Jerry Falwell pod people.", "People getting canceled is the point. He stated his point very clearly in his special that you clearly didn’t fucking watch.", "I'm downvoting you for telling the truth.", "Hmm that explains Dennis Miller", "Lol imagine making an argument that someone's argument has \"too many words\", especially after charging them with \"not understanding nuance\"? How can someone be this brain damaged?\n\nThis is a perfect example of anti-intellectualism, or your just a gen z kid that has grown up in the twitter sphere and doesn't know better. It has the same effect regardless.", "As much fun as it is to have and hear the same arguments about this over and over, I’m going to opt out of this one. Have a nice evening.", "The worst part of this whole ordeal in my mind isn't whether his jokes were funny or not, it's the hypocrisy on Chappelle's part.\n\nThis man took over a decade off, away from the spotlight, in part because he felt like some of his work on Chappelle's Show was being enjoyed by racists and he didn't like that. \n\nNow, his work is being enjoyed and defended by transphobes, and he sees no irony in the situation.", "Chappelle obviously knows the difference between biological sex and gender. Hence why his last joke.\n\nAnd he's totally right about the Kaitlyn Jenner thing. It was fucking bullshit.", "How so?", "Listen to the audio clip again, then listen to the jokes. Who's the butt of the joke? Punching up vs down.", "Why are you so focused on \"punching down\", just because you are a underdog doesn't mean you are right and can't be made fun off. You are literaly proving Dave's point", "I'm not sure why you keep harping on Chappelle making jokes about black people. He is black. There are IMO two types of people you are allowed to make fun of as comedian: the group you're a part of, and groups that have power. Anything else just feels mean, and yeah, we all know by now that there are some people who disagree with that, and think that everybody should be made fun of equally.\n\nBut it rings different depending on who's doing the talking. It's also just bizarre and out of touch that Chappelle thinks there's some sort of finite amount of caring that different oppressed groups are competing for. It's not a contest, and in fact black rights and LGTB rights have a deep history.", "What a load of horse shit. If you are above being the source of a joke you are a joke.", "Obviously Chappelle can comment on the LGBT community, but it’s the commenting on in-fighting that gets under my skin. I, as a white person, have no right to start talking about black on black violence like I know anything about it. At the end of the day I am not apart of that violence, nor am I apart of that community, I only have articles and statistics to base my knowledge off of. Because of this, I acknowledge that I am probably not cut out to start talking about what I think the best solution for black on black violence is. I’ll leave that up to the people who have experienced it and have a stake in it\n\nAs for Dave, he was doing more than just observing. He made up an imaginary fight by acting like gay people were mad at trans people for holding the movement back, as if it’s trans peoples fault for society being behind and bigoted still", "I think you missed the point of the bit", "For real. I love hearing cis people say how it's not actually offensive to trans people.", "> I feel like people missed a lot of the context of this special \n\nI think Dave missed a lot of context when it comes to the trans community. It's not like people know anything about them anyway so they trust and listen to him. How he's gone this long without talking about black or female to male trans people is mind-boggling.", "Nowhere near the same situation because culture has inverted after decades of postmodern training at university level to weaponize victimhood. The fact that the biggest comedian in the world is at loggerheads with a group that comprises around 0.1% of the population indicates that.", ">So Chappelle is \"picking on\" the trans community by saying \"gender is a fact\"? \n\nHe also said \"I'm team TERF\". He publicly aligned himself with a transphobic hate movement.", "The difference being he wasn't taking on underdogs, he was taking on religion, which actually needed to (and still needs) to be knocked down a few pegs.", "Punched down? Don't be an idiot. So when Russell Peters made jokes about Indians and Asians it's punching down? You know there was no punching down.", "I've never found ADC's humor in the least bit funny, then or now.", "the mouthbreathing redditors you find on /r/videos are unable to tell the difference between a joke and reality, they'd posthumously award Robin Williams woman of the year for Mrs. Doubtfire if they were shepherded to do so", "What were the 15 words before that?", "Wow you really may be on to something there with that foreign entity. \n\nI’m not sure how old you are, but conservatives have been worried about those “liberal hot-bed colleges” for 70 years now. College isn’t real life either. The fact is trans people are a marginalized community, still fighting for their basic rights. They are victims of crime at a higher rate than other groups, and the population as a whole. Just because you get downvoted on Reddit (oh god look what happens you to) when you bash trans people doesn’t change those facts.", "\"hate movement\" \n\n🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣", "Honest question. Why can people not criticize a comedians joke for being either not funny, or just mean? I think people are getting a little lost in the weeds with this. A lot of what Dave said in the trans portion of his special wasn’t all that bad, but the joke that’s just laughing at trans womens genitals? That was a little far, and even HE knew he crossed a bit of a line. \n\nWhy are people so fragile that they can’t handle criticism of a joke? Why is that such sacred untouchable territory that you can’t even criticize a comedian? \n\nIt’s such a weird mindset people have, that comedians are untouchable gods incapable of receiving criticism", "Carlin is fucking garbage. Reddit is the only place this hack is respected or talked about.", "Lol that 50 year old is making a big deal about it in front of the world. If he's going to make a big deal about it in such a large audience, he should get his shit together lol. That's another criticism in itself lol.", "Didn't he mis gender his friend multiple times? I don't think someone who cares about trans people would disrespect his trans friend after they commit suicide.", "George Carlin: \"I believe you can joke about anything, it all depends on how you construct the joke\" The jokes? Three quick, snappy jokes about the absurdity of rape, quick punchlines where the primary target is how absurd or stupid rape and rapists are.\n\nDave Chappelle's \"joke\" construction: Ranting for 40 minutes, covering about three longwinded anecdotes trashing different trans people he's met where the only punchline I can recall between the three of them is something about Caitlyn Jenner, a 6 year old joke about woman of the year or whatever. A fourth anecdote where he holds up his dead friend as a shield against criticism because she killed herself after losing her job and being denied custody of her daughter(in part due to her status as trans), Dave presents it as she killed herself because people were mean to Dave.\n\nWhat great joke construction, George totally would have been praising Dave if he were still alive. /s", "If MLK or JFK came back they would both be alt right nazis.", "> People want everything to be easy and binary these days. \"With us or against us\" \"Good vs. Evil\" But life is more complicated then that\n\nAka, the Twitter goblins that bullied his friend into suicide for fucking clout.", "For real/ this is some dumb shit. Bunch of straight people acting like their experience the only type of human experience. Bring on the downvotes.", "This is a very misleading title. It’s about Andrew Dice Clay who is not even close to the same type of comedian as Chapelle.", "I tried to find a comment about how any of this has to do with Chappelle. But everyone loves Carlin so i think they forgot the title.", "Same age as you - Sam Kinison as well. [Just pure boomer humor cringe w/ a new (for the 80's) aggro twist.](https://youtu.be/m_VURr6jnWQ?t=80)", "I think Hicks would be the guy that unironically says jetfuel cant melt steel beams, and hanging with Joe Rogan a lot.", "You made two logical leaps in your original false claim.\n\n1. The OP clearly meant that Carlin is discussing the overall situation.\n\n2. Carlin is speaking about the audience being insecure white men and not the performer.\n\nTo paraphrase simply means you don't remember the exact words correctly, not that you're changing the meaning entirely.", "You're literally contradicting yourself. \n\nTreating a person or group just like everybody else (a human being) is literally the definition of not being bigoted.", "Oh, I 100% agree. I honestly think it's healthy that people can laugh at themselves, and have others laugh with them. I do/say stupid or funny shit sometimes, if someone gets a chuckle out of it, good for them.\n\nObviously that's completely different from like, targeted harassment and such. Fuck that, that's not okay. But a few jokes from a comedian (as you said) is certainly not that.", "I can’t tell if you are a snob or giving them praise.", "That rapper killed someone in self defense. Stop spreading horseshit", "But just because you make a joke doesn’t mean you can’t be criticized. I’m not implying anyone’s untouchable, but I’m now seeing all these comments and find it hilarious and ironic how people jump at me as being some “thin skinned libtard” and yet the moment an ounce of criticism is sent to a comedian they crumble and get all defensive and reactionary?", "The irony is that the inflammatory non-binary react in with a binary response.", "> Omg you didn't listen to him or me. I'll say again, he's TERF only in the sense that trans women are biologically not actual women. That is it.\n> \n> \n\nTheir brains are more like the gender they identify as, are brains not biological?", "So share your favorite jokes about this children who died at Sandy Hook.\n\n Your favorite jokes about how Matthew Shepard died.\n\n Your favorite jokes about what happened to Emmitt Till.", "They seem so confused lmao", "> his bit about PTSD and how wrong he got it\n\nI watched that bit recently, and it's not particularly funny any more, but I don't think he's \"wrong\". I might have been reading into this, but I felt like part of his point is that renaming things is a cheap and easy way to make it seem like you care about a problem without actually doing anything meaningful. Renaming PTSD multiple times over the decades, but then continuing to send people to fight in stupid pointless wars and then not taking care of the physical and emotional suffering that results is a spectacular copout.", "Writer help for $50 a joke", "I don't mean to interrupt your \"gotcha!\" moment, but by \"context\" I meant the entire third act of his special. His point was to compare and contrast the good and the bad of the TRA movement; the humanity behind so many of their entirely reasonable goals, but how showing even the slightest deviation from their demands results in your expulsion. He did an excellent job of it, too. \n\nHe's saying that the term \"TERF\" has largely lost its meaning. Instead of radical feminists attacking a marginalized group, it's now a slur directed at anyone that thinks gender and sex are real. It denies that biological women have their own unique wants and needs, that demanding the unreasonable is reasonable, and that failure to capitulate is to be punished with any and all means available.\n\nThat was the context I was referring to.", "Someone started ranting and raving about how unfunny they found something... and I'm brain-damaged for not getting lost in their words? For seeing it for the blathering that it is?\n\nOk. You can run along with that upturned-nose, name-calling shit though.", "The punchline is the absurdity of what you will get mad at and what you won't.", "I can still laugh at the day the laughter died.", "You're losing focus on the point that every community has bad actors and to a point, the trans community is letting their bad actors tweet way too much.", "How exactly has \"culture inverted\" when you are literally saying \"the rich, popular guy has a right to punch down on minorities\"? It's exactly what Carlin is talking about.", "Is there any valid criticism you think Chappelle could ever give someone \"down\" from him? Or do people below him have an infinite free pass to harrass or insult him with no response?", "It's really not shocking. Carlin and Bernie are two people who have been telling us the same shit for 40 years.", "Right, it's fundamentally a childish thought process, so most younger people will still ascribe to it (there's a reason most \"canceling\" is only twitter, and it's not level headed adults). My point was more so that many adults haven't grown up and come to understand that it's childish. \n\n> Deserving of being removed from all studio work and major programming networks.\n\nJust to be clear, in case this is referencing Chappelle again. The issue was not that he held prejudices. It's that he spoke, enthusiastically and confidently on those prejudices, to millions of viewers, for millions of dollars, on 4 different occasions while apparently self reflecting on nothing between each occasion. \n\nAnd even then, most people aren't calling for him to be canceled, they're calling for the transphobic speech to not be so blatantly given an approving platform.", "Name one sub that isn’t trans friendly.", "On the fucking nail. RIP George", "Don't you have to be a \"radical feminist\" in the first place to be a TERF?", "Yeah I’m with you on this. A whole language has been invented so people can justify why they’re allowed to make fun of whoever they want and you aren’t.", "TERF is a branch of feminism that focuses in advocating for cis women's rights. They neither actively condemn nor terrorize the trans movement, effectively overhauling the emotionally charged hate group accusation. If your views don't align with theirs, you have the right to go support pro trans rights groups. No need to shove your belief down everyone's throat.", ">For him to say the trans-community is bullying him, makes zero sense. Has he lost his job? Has he lost his life? Has he lost his core fans?\n\nNone of that needs to happen for something to be considered \"bullying.\"", "And nobody is censoring Dave. He got paid millions of dollars to produce a show seen by hundreds of millions. He spoke freely, and _he has been heard_. If anything I write ever becomes read by the number of people who have seen this special, it would be a success beyond my wildest dreams. \n\nIsn't that enough? Or is the fact that people he intentionally shat on are saying \"I didn't like this because of these reasons\" too much as well?\n\nI will likely never have a platform the size of the one Dave Chappelle was granted to publicly announce that he's on the side of a transphobic hate movement. But he's being censored. Please, for the love of God, get a grip.", "Not in context and not when you understand how TERF is used in common parlance. It's like someone labeling himself a racist because of how watered down the word has become and how you might say something that is not racist in any way, shape, or form but your statement disagrees with someone's personal beliefs and that person calls you a racist for it.", "🤡", "Times change, it's an amazing concept you might want to read up about. When he uses the n-word, he's not using it derogatory like racists use it and not to mention he's black himself. White people are the dominator culture and own the power dynamic in society. All these things you have said are false equivalencies to misrepresenting a whole group of minorities and making \"jokes\" that weren't even funny, but just vendettas and whining.", "Thank you for expressing this line of thinking so well. \n\nCharacters in shows like say Archer, Rick and Morty and the like that are also very popular would fit a similar mold. What's wrong with having 'bad' characters? In my mind they're there to teach you something.\n\nThe world isn't pretty, why white wash it all in our entertainment? \n\nProvided there's some commentary and it's not flat out glorification (hence the fine line) I think it's very healthy to have characters that cover all spectrums in our fictional media.\n\nIn relation to stand up comedy and 'news entertainment' etc, I don't really see the difference.", "But that's not the point though. Dave already have royalty-like status in comedy, it's not a case of attention seeking.\n\nThe baiting is done on purpose exactly because we're living in a time where people got so reactionary that is actually very predictable to know when anything at all will cause a reaction, thus making actual discussion vanish amongst the haze that is Twitter.\n\n>Trans people are trying to survive\n\nComedy always brings people together. Using this point in comedy is just censorship, really. I live in a country with a tragic very high number of homicide against transsexuals and I can tell you that instead of protesting against jokes they're going into politics and working to make a difference.", "Dogmatic thinking is bipartisan. Carlin was anti-dogma. It’s not that complicated.", "Controversy or not, Dave's latest is just not very good.", "Excellent way of putting it, bravo.", "Read the whole post. And address the whole post.\n\nThere are \"no lapses\". I did not attribute \"paraphrase\" to Carlin. Seems that it's you who's having comprehension problems here. Take a deep breath calm down and give it another shot.", "Saying they “deny trans people are valid in anyway” is loaded way of phrasing their position. You make it sound like they think trans people aren’t even people. They’re still people, but a trans man is still a woman and trans woman is still a man.\n\nThat’s not a very simplified definition, it’s an oversimplified definition that’s actually inaccurate.", "Thank you for your meaningful contribution to this online discussion.", "😍", "There's also some masturbatory-ego-stroking mixed in.", "Do any comedians employ writers to sharpen their acts?", "Hm...\n\nPlausibly deniable. You gotta admit, though, that given the things Chappelle is currently under fire by the Twitter gremlins for and the things Carlin's highlighting here are very close. It really looks like this post is saying that Chappelle is the one exploiting, rather than being exploited.", "Holy shit I didn't realise that somehow\n\n-not being allowed to join the military\n\n-not having access to relevant medical treatment\n\n-not being able to choose for myself to go on puberty blockers before my body was permanently altered because \"I'm to young to know!\"\n\n-not having any legal protection from being fired from where I work, or companies refusing to hire me because I'm trans \n\n-having an entire legal defence around murdering me called the \"trans panic defence\" (that has gotten literal murders off scot free) \n\n-and my very existance being a crime punishable by death in over a dozen countries, and a criminal act in almost 70 others \n\nmade me so powerful!", "Nah. It's actually about almost the same exact thing. He's talking about a comedian who laughs at marginalized people and Chapelle is the exact same thing. \n\nWay to miss the point though.", "Except Dice was not a minority and Chappelle's humor has intelligence and thought behind it. It's clever vs. crude.\n\nI don't think this explains the issue in the least bit.", "I don't know what you're smoking. This special was fucking hilarious.", "> When people say we haven't made any progress, I'll show them this.\n\nIncome inequality is even worse though.", "This is a joke about trans people so the only hierarchy that matters is that it's from a cis man, about trans people. So it's punching down.", "I'm tired of people taking about Dave Chappelle when we should be talking about Bo Burnham and his fantastic special that didn't involve any controversies.", "Sex is biological. That's why it is called Sex Reassignment Surgery, not Gender Reassignment Surgery. \n\nGender is a performance. We all choose what gender we are performing daily, we aren't born with it, it is socialization. \n\nSomewhere along the way, some people confused the two as being the same. Your genitalia doesn't preclude you from performing any particular gender. The whole world is a stage.", "Yeah you just reiterated my point, lol. “Book smart” is not the sole measurement of intelligence, despite what others may think.", "It's the fact that one sides suffering is completely ignored by another while being overtly sensitive to their own ideas.\n\nIt's the sensitivity that needs to relax. Everyone is offended by everything and I'm not sure how society got so soft. The old school 80s gays were tough as nails to be who they are. Now these sissies walk out of Netflix because they had a tantrum.", "You are, a 100%, with this title", "Dave's not punching down my man.", "I’m upvoting you for this comment", "I'm as tired of this argument as everyone else is (because those defending the special don't understand what the issue is!) but I'm so glad that you can put into words exactly what the issues are against Dave's special, succintly and in detail, especially in the context of both his commentary on trans people both inside and outside his comedy and career. I sincerely hope more people will read this and understand why these are problems that genuinely negatively affect the trans community and that by criticizing Dave it is not an attack on his person or the Black community. I am tired of people pinning minorities against minorities when you are absolutely correct-- we should be collectively committed to addressing the overwhelming problem of the legal system, representatives, legislators, and anyone that dehumanizes minorities.", "Be excellent to each other!", "Oh, good, so this is a pointless distraction.", "I actually know and am friends with several, some of whom liked the Chappelle special others who don't for various reasons. By the way, none of them think he's a homophobe or transphobic. Regardless, other than making an assumption about me, of my sexual orientation , or the sexual orientation or gender identities of the people I communicate with, you haven't stated why my point doesn't stand. Instead you made a judgment with no facts to base it on, with the intention of dismissing me. We can agree or we can disagree. But only through open dialog can people learn from one another (and that still holds true even when opinions don't align) however, when you try to silence someone (along with unnecessarily insulting them) you stagnate the flow of ideas which stops attempts of understanding which stunts progress. When you insult someone for expressing their opinion it shows your ignorance and lack of maturity. That's what's wrong with this whole cancel culture B.S. just because we don't agree doesn't mean the other is wrong. And if we think the other is wrong doesn't mean we get to silence the. Because when you do, you're creating the very oppression you claim to be fighting.", "The SPLC defines a hate group as \"an organization that — based on its official statements or principles, the statements of its leaders, or its activities — has beliefs or practices that attack or malign an entire class of people, typically for their immutable characteristic.\"[2] The SPLC states that \"Hate group activities can include criminal acts, marches, rallies, speeches, meetings, leafleting or publishing\" and adds that inclusion on its hate-group list \"does not imply that a group advocates or engages in violence or other criminal activity.\"\n\n....\n\nSo about that North Carolina law about using the \"correct bathroom\" for your gender identity on your birth certificate? What groups do you think rallied for a bill like that? \n\nWhat groups do you think create lobbying groups aiming to create more bills like that? Or bills that aim to make the life of trans people more difficult? \n\nhttps://www.vox.com/identities/2019/9/5/20840101/terfs-radical-feminists-gender-critical\n\nGroups like Women's Liberation Fronts are hate groups and they are TERFs\n\nIt's kind of like how the KKK are white nationalists. Not every white nationalist is KKK. But if I called Richard Spencer KKK you'd know what I mean", "Isn’t that a bit like saying “white supremacy” isn’t a hate group? I mean, it isn’t a hate group, but it’s a hateful ideology.", "Damn did that whole fucking thing fly over your head.", "What a vacuous statement. You sure showed everyone talking about this. Put them all right in their place", "Wow, it's literally the Chappelle special if you replace the subject with trans people.\n\nChappelle went full boomer with this one", "What? That's not the definition of underdog. Would you say that \"victims\" don't exist because there are laws to punish perpetrators?", "> but also would have been critical of how it punched down, which Carlin rarely ever did.\n\nA huge chunk of his material is literally devoted to shit-talking the average idiot.", "I swear they want to be victims so bad they fucking hate us for being marginalized. Such a vicious cycle oh whining and hate. lol", "I can explain why people say he's not one while he proclaimed in a comedy routine that he is.\n\nLouis CK opens up a joke with \"I was at this bar once - doesn't matter which one, because I'm lying - but I was at this bar once and...\"\n\nThe point of calling himself a feminist and a TERF and a transphobe as a joke is to contrast the caricature of his jokes that the media paint to the reality of his personal experiences.\n\nWhat he says is \"well the paper said I'm a transphobe, therefore I definetly am one\". That's the problem here, people are enraged because the media tell them to become enraged or face being against those who are. It's mob mentality, not critical thinking.\n\nAt the end of the day, a comedian tells jokes. Some are funny and some aren't. I found it funny because of the absurdity of the situation, not of what he said.", "Ahh maybe. Maybe the really big ones. I know of a couple in Australia who get other comedians to help write their shows. The best tool to sharpen an act is performance which is why you see big name comics pop into seedy dives late at night to try shit out.", "Lol, ok.", "> this was literally just \"lol gay people butt sex\"\n\nThat was like half of comedy in the early/mid '00s, to be honest. Doesn't make it any better, but it definitely wasn't in short supply.", "I haven't watched any of the specials but to me whenever i see him now he seems unhappy and unhealthy. Oftentimes this coincides with being mean. It turns me off.", "Wait. I genuinely thought this outrage was over his 2nd special. Does he have a new one?? (Yes I could have googled this, but wanted to share my surprise)", "I don’t think intelligence implies eloquence", "$75 if it's about my dick.", "Really bad take, OP.", "Just to be clear, most TERFs actually do spend all their political time and energy attacking trans women, which is what makes TERFs indistinguishable from a hate group. Cis women are only ever brought up as a vehicle to attack trans women, and never to address the staggering number of issues facing all women, of which the mere existence of trans women is certainly not one. In other words, TERFs are only \"advocates\" for cis women in the same way MRAs are \"advocates\" for men: as a convenient disguise for contempt.\n\nI hope that helps.", "How brains function go into neurology. And it doesn't change the genetic nature of the rest of their body.", "You make a lot of really good points. However, there’s been a very noticeable uptick in harassment in the online trans spaces I frequent that coincides exactly with the release of Dave’s special. I can’t promise that coincides with IRL harassment, but I really suspect it does. And even if it doesn’t, a lot of kids on the trans subs, for instance, don’t have anywhere else to go for support and acceptance, so the marked uptick in transphobic harassment matters. \n\nI can’t ignore that easily observable cause and effect, and Dave shouldn’t be able to either. I don’t believe in binaries (lol, at all), but I do believe someone with a platform like Dave’s is responsible for its impact. And I feel like he won’t even consider that his loooong feud with trans activists has an impact.", "Young and middle-aged white dudes were the biggest demographic at the time, though. Even if it was small when viewing the categories on paper, they definitely had the numbers.", "The fucking comments on that video. What a sad world we live in.", "Thats not what he's saying. Hes saying that people should have the freedom to make mistakes. Mr newsman was being hypocritical, he wouldn't get fired if he made a reporting mistake.", "I didn't mean to upset you.", "maybe her execution was better than Chappelle's?????\n\nI can't say because I haven't seen it. But I agree that it seems like he's just up where whinging and then blaming \"cancel culture.\" Someone else mentioned Lenny Bruce who like actually got \"cancelled\" aka arrested for his material, meanwhile Chappelle acts like a martyr when he's got millions in a netflix deal with a super high viewership.", "Most of the people bitching about the special didn't even watch it. They take their marching orders from the Twitter mob.", "I didn’t miss the point, I just disagree with it. It’s oversimplifying two very different situations, with no context provided. As I said, misleading and a little bit icky.", "Moral relativism ^", "His bits are timeless because he picked at timeless subjects masterfully. Any standup comedian who picks soup du jour type of stuff, is doomed to be forgotten quickly.", "I wonder if anyone said that after is George Floyd routine?", "Going around and repeatedly telling everyone, or using your massive platform to preach to everyone, that trans women aren't women, isn't respect.", "I think his most powerful line was when he was telling about how his friend responded to one of his questions with \"I don't need you to understand it [being a trans woman], I just need you to respect my human experience.\" Dave Chappelle makes it a point to tell the audience there are some things he probably doesn't understand, and probably never will, but he believes that people deserve respect regardless of their identity, or at the very least, how one views that persons' identity. He respected his friend because of who she was as a person, as someone he shared a passion in comedy with. Chappelle's point was that you could have a differing opinion and viewpoints, but you need to at least have enough humanity to treat each other with respect and compassion. If we are being honest, most people will never understand your lived experiences as a trans person, but they should respect those experiences and treat you like a human being.", "If you aren't a part of that group, then it's perfectly fine to exclude that voice. I don't go around thinking my voice matters in any black affairs. It's not a part of my life, I support my black friends but I don't inject my opinion on matters that don't pertain to me. Dave is not gay, he's not queer, he's not trans; his opinion doesn't matter in the affairs of the queer community.", "What, specifically, are they upset about?\n\nI'm guessing the comment about everyone in the world coming through the legs of a biological woman.", "People on twitter get dragged all the time and they don't all go killing themselves.\n\nI wonder if her oppression as a trans person had anything to do with it? Nah she probably just read some mean comments and decided \"fuck it\".\n\nGive me a break.", "Yeah. The last group has never faced any sort of discrimination and thinks hitting the thesaurus and writing pseudo-intellectual comments win an argument against basic human rights.", "He's just spouting Nazi propaganda. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory#", "Right, I brought up the legal aspect as it seems TERF means a feminist that excludes transgender women in their fight for rights, so could they be coming from the standpoint that to a degree a transgender woman has more rights than a woman? Not that anybody doesn't deserve rights, I support both women's and LGBTQ+ rights, I just don't understand why they'd need to be tied together. Does a transgender woman have any greater right to legislate a woman's reproductive health than a man?", "Andrew Dice Clay and Dave Chapelle are so fucking INSANELY different, are you fucking kidding me?", "Congratulations you are a joke, fragile white guy", "You should look up what her actual family said about her.\n\nShe barely had friends.", "Thank you. Your wording it as the \"umbrella of womanhood\" really helped. So basically TERF = feminist who doesn't think a trans woman is a woman?\n\nI admit I didn't do much research before asking, I've just seen tons of people mentioning it on Reddit recently.", "Hickory dickory dock....", "Yeah... I made it to the \"one hanging from the flag pole\" line. I'm not sure if he's a genius like Borat, luring out those deep seeded thoughts we filter out usually, or just an asshole.", "Exactly, both issues aren’t so black and white like people try and make it out to be.", "Fuck yo' couch, you ignorant slut.", "I think most are ambivalent. I'm tired of the outrage at the outrage. A small minority of people are outraged. No one is cancelling Dave. So what if some people want to cancel the special. That's the way the world has always been. Twitter, or whatever social media this is occuring on, isn't the real world. Let's give this tired shit a rest already.", "> So I dont think he was lying o telling lies to his audience, he really doesnt know what pushed her to do it.\n\nThis is some bullshit. If you don't know why someone died then it's not a good idea to throw some ideas out there and say \"this couldn't have helped\".", "Given the amount of power the \"Christian\" religion holds, in the US at least, it would 100% still be punching up.", "Ah, yes, let's keep the cycle of hatred rolling.\n\nI lament the fact that woman committed suicide but I am amused at all the people who are clutching at their pearls over it when trans people are famously disproportionately represented in suicide rates due to all the harassment they face.\n\nIf you care about young people being abused into killing themselves then don't defend those who keep normalizing a culture where trans people are a \"joke\".", "What? No.\n\nTERF is just a made-up acronym to refer to a group of people. \n\nViv Smythe initially used TERF to refer to a particular type of feminist whom she characterized as \"unwilling to recognise trans women as sisters\", she has noted that the term has taken on additional connotations and that it has been \"weaponised at times\" by both inclusionary and exclusionary groups. Though contested, the term has since become an established part of contemporary feminist speech.", "Making those sort of statements don't really matter because not only was she not addressing the overall issue, but the same phenomenon of potential self-censoring is still present. We do not know at all what here real talk in private would've been in regards to say... terfs or friends calling themselves friends while saying things contrary to that concept.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n[https://www.thedailybeast.com/dave-chappelle-backed-by-family-of-late-transgender-comedian-daphne-dorman-from-the-closer](https://www.thedailybeast.com/dave-chappelle-backed-by-family-of-late-transgender-comedian-daphne-dorman-from-the-closer)\n\n\\>Two of Dorman’s sisters told The Daily Beast they were outraged at the suggestion that Chappelle’s set was transphobic or derogatory toward the LGBTQ community, saying they wanted to make clear they supported the comedian.\n\nSeems here they didnt give a shit about your TERF argument", "I see what you're saying. TERF is a derogatory term for people that hold those views. But he accepts the label because he stands behind the views. He doesn't seem to be distancing himself from the blackface comparison though.", "Not me, I love comedy, but I'm enough of my own person to pick and choose what I like and dislike.", "I like how many people purposefully put \"special\" instead of \"comedy special\". \n\nWouldn't want anything clicking in the readers mind.", "In this clip he is talking about punching up vs down. I'm saying that his actual standup wasn't always consistent with this ideology.", "at the same time, people upvoting this would be the same one's calling for carlin to be cancelled for yelling n\\\\\\\\r and f\\\\\\\\t rhetorically in his routines", "Bullies aren't underdogs.", "That's not the context, at all.\n\nThe actual context was that JK Rowling was labeled a TERF for saying that gender was a fact, and that in that case he was team TERF, because he believed gender was a fact. That's not an insane thing to say.", "Bill was incredible, but he lacked Carlin's energy and ability to instantly connect with you.", "Chapelle is one of my favorite stand ups if not my favorite. But he’s always been self centered. Like the def poetry jam about the Asian clerk always bothered me cause he justifies his racism by saying he understands percentages. But the same backpedaling logic is also used by people who are racist against black people.", "Many didn't see it just go to Twitter. Many of the community refuse to watch it.", "Normally when people are being critical of comedians I assume they are soft. This is just like... garbage though. Most of the jokes just weren't even funny lol. And he seemed like he was trying to act out a caricature of himself", "What the fuck are you spouting? Twitter mob killed? You're just stupid", "Dave IS punching down on gay people, then retreating to his bread-and-butter white people material in order to obscure the homophobia when he gets called out for it. \n\nHe’s actually doing exactly the same thing he’s accusing gay people of doing regarding playing the white card - when people point out that he’s being a bigoted straight guy, suddenly he’s a black man just making fun of the whites, speaking truth to power. POC gay and trans people be damned, I guess. \n\nAmidst some funny jokes and sharp commentary, Dave said some repulsive things in that special, there’s no way around it. Now, people are repulsed. So it goes.", "Aaaaaayoooo", "I'm guessing you don't spend a lot of time studying intersectionality.", "What a bad take", "I know that you're trying to frame it as, \"he was using shock humor to call out the gun nuts,\" but in the same clip he was mocking the fact that they were bringing counselors to schools to help kids deal with the trauma.", "https://youtu.be/Pc0ZHsoHAlE\n\nHe dives into his family history a bit here. But telling nonetheless. \n\nOne of my favorite videos to watch from time to time.\n\n7:55 seems like a good start time", "That is an actual thing. It is a huge white-collar industry, involved in essentially any major profit-based organization, as well as the government and many major universities in the US.", "[Everything's made up, stay woke](https://youtu.be/Vp5QabWeUUw?t=12)", "You should be kinder to yourself.", "Yikes...", "The people making a fuss about the special says that trans jokes justifies harming trans people, whereas those same people harassed Daphne Dorman on Twitter, which culminated in her suicide.\n\n\nAgain, the problem is not the trans community, it's morons on social media boosting their ego with pseudo social justice, pretending they're changing the world and mobbing other people.", "Except he was making fun of the use of therapy in those situations for kids, not just shocking to make a point.", "That is a line delivered for humour. It’s the joke of the car ride. He knows it’s not that simple. He knows that they don’t have a choice in the matter. It’s just a joke about the human folly of trying to navigate a social issue. He’s just fucking around with the idea in the context of a car ride. I think his attitudes towards trans people is just being hashed out on stage with dialogue. Watch his mark twain acceptance speech. He says it there, that whilst everyone is fighting and yelling at each other, that comedians are on stage hashing it out with jokes and words. That’s the craft and genre. You don’t have to agree, you’re just speaking and fucking around with ideas trying to hunt down a truth. Jokes are nuanced and the danger is sometimes it can appear that one is insisting bigotry that one isn’t. I think Dave ha done a pretty good job of clarifying that he 1. Doesn’t hate nor miss burnt to nor disbelieve trans people and that 2. He has been critiquing human bigotry this whole time whilst making some jokes.", "GOAT", "You JUST said in another comment that Dave said that the idea of trans people is \"intrinsically funny\".\n\nDo you immediately forget what you say often or do you just suck Dave's dick because it makes you feel good?", "Feynman was asked a question along these lines, and started to answer, saying he would be bored by anyone who wasn't a great physicist like himself. Then he thought about it, and changed his answer. He said he'd be enchanted by ANYONE who was at the top of their field. It was the spark of brilliance and the insight and the willingness to push the limits of the mind and human experience that he wanted to engage with.\n\nI'm nowhere close to as smart as he was, but I've been on a date with someone who lacked any spark of intellectual curiosity, and I've never finished a coffee so quickly. Check please.\n\nIt's not the intellect, it's the cleverness.\n\nAnd comedy isn't about knowledge, it's about those creative connections.", "And if a bunch of white men protested because they thought his jokes were offensive against them they would be laughed at. You don’t see any of the other groups protesting his jokes when they are made fun of, grow a thicker skin, they are fucking jokes.", "Thankfully not my company. We don’t hire cross dressers.", "Well said.", "People are too busy being offended to actually watch the Special and think with their own brains.", "Was there anything Carlin didn't get spot on? \n\nIt would be interesting to see what Clay has to say about his material these days. Not sure if you'd get an honest answer though.", "Even more ironic these are the people who claim to be not binary", "Yeah. TERFs, as a movement, have one goal that is actually reflected in their actions and priorities: disenfranchising or closeting trans people. They also have close ties to far-right groups - they find common ground on hating trans people. WoLF was famously funded by the Heritage Foundation.", "> Dave Chappelle makes it a point to tell the audience there are some things he doesn't understand, but he believes that people deserve respect regardless of their identity\n\nThat's some nice deflection which doesn't address how one statement is inconsistent with another.\n\n>He doesn't have any hostility or hate to the trans community,\n\nBut he also doesn't believe an important part of their identity is valid. I wonder how his friend thought about that?\n\n>but because he makes jokes about other marginalized groups, why should he treat the trans community any differently?\n\nWhy are you talking about jokes? I'm not talking about jokes.", "TERFS: \"Trans women are not women and deserve no rights\"\n\nChappelle (verbatim): \"Im team TERF!\"", "Actual right wing bigots loved Dave's latest special. Do you think he has any feelings about this? Becoming a right wing favorite due to his criticism of trans people.", "I don't think so. It's been a minute since I've seen Hicks stand-up, but what crazy conspiracies did Hicks believe? The only one I can remember would be the JFK assassination, and I'm not even certain he believed that one. IMHO, Joe Rogan is essentially a right-wing talk show host, and Hicks railed against right-wing idiots in most of his specials. That I do remember.", "\n>\n\n>\n>It’s such a weird mindset people have, that comedians are untouchable gods incapable of receiving criticism\n\nYour comment sounds like a weird inverse projection...\n\nComedians are no more off limits than anyone else. It's fine for him to be criticized. It's also fine for him to make jokes about anything. Why is one group off limits? Only the powerful can harm others for speech they don't like. \n\nThe argument seems to be that unflattering remarks or jokes about certain groups can possibly have them be harmed by others or they'll harmed themselves. Men do self harm more than any other group, yet there's no special consideration given towards them in this regard.", "> they crumble and get all defensive and reactionary?\n\nThey kinda do that when they risk losing their livelyhood and form their art as they self wish.\n\nCan't remember big movments to cancel comedians because of a redneck joke, funny that.\n\nI also don't remember Netflix staff walking out when Cuties was launched.", "Yeah this was scary to watch, but def made me realized I’m so glad these are things people don’t joke about anymore", "I heard someone explain how the transgender community is one of the most powerful minority groups in terms of political accomplishments and influence over the media. Within most of our lifetimes they have gone to a group considered statistically irrelevant to being backed by every major corporation and dozens of major political parties throughout the west. You could argue that the trans community rivals entire ethnic groups in \"lobbying\" power now.", "\"If I just completely ignore reality, it doesn't exist!\"", "He is punching down and canceling isnt real its called dealing with the actions for your consequences. If your being shitty and doing shitty things and people dont want to work with you or watch your shit any more its not being canceled its dealing with the consequences of your actions.", "Maybe watch it before making assumptions? It wasn't a bridge, it was almost a cold war declaration.", "Even if you were right, you have to articulate your perspective better than that.", "Lmfao gays are the furthest thing from underdogs we have in society.", "Mr \"I'm team TERF\" is not ignorant about trans issues?", "I think Chappelle is a genius but his jokes about trans people are extremely low brow and pander to the lowest common denominator that's why they upset many trans people and people who know better. Becasue a smart man can still say stupid, unfunny shit, and him having a single trans friend isn't some sort of magic 'do what I want' card.", "Right?\n\n31 years ago I was alive\n\n40 I was not\n\nAccuracy makes a difference", "Fair enough.", "The largest marketed to demographic. Also, my point being those were the only people he cared about. Still a smaller portion of the population as a whole.", "I think about this a lot. Ultimately I believe he would not be surprised in the slightest. He knew we were circling the drain as a species.", "You can shit on people's rights without being a hate group. People's rights are shit on all the time by large groups. They're most certainly not all labeled has hate groups.", "Biggest insult ever\nChappele is the new dice clay! Hilarious 😂", "You do realize just how many of those institutions have been caving to this \"small circle\"?\n\nPower is being able to bully people into doing what you want, and thats what this \"small circle\" does. Very few companies have stood up and told them no.", "Yeah, but Carlin didn't do an entire bit about black people and called them n words, he was talking about the power of words. Chappelle did an entire show about trans people and misgendered his dead friend, blamed the LGBT community, and called himself a TERF. Your comparison is so shit.", "You don't force someone to call you anything. You ask them and if they're assholes they'll deny your identity. They just tell on themselves that they're assholes, but the people asking for their dignity aren't doing so with any amount of force. Do you know why Muhammad Ali reserved his most severe defeats for the people who wouldn't call him by his name? Because he saw it as disrespect and felt compelled to disrespect them as well. Denying people their identity is dehumanizing them. When has that ever resulted in something positive?", "God of Thunder hiding under the alias “snuffbox” \n\nI should’ve known.", "He could have said that every day since he's been gone, and it would have been true...", "I disagree. He’s well liked in Canada.", "It's just a joke is such a common rebuttal to anything based in hate. It was literally used as a recruiting tool for white nationalism. Like step 1 of red pilling. Normalize the joking of belittling people for their race.", "Comedians like Lenny Bruce/George Carlin fought for comedians to be able to speak their minds about social issues and things that the general public is afraid to mention. That freedom wasn't meant to attack groups of people or degrade them as non-humans. That freedom wasn't to act like your above them and shit down on others. That's not comedy, that just being another asshole among the crowded barrel of assholes all around the world.", "Are you 5? Do we need to ELI5 for you?", "And all those people were murdered for solely being trans? If that's what you believe I'd call that ignorance. Now how bout you Google black people murdered in 2021. Trans persecution is a goddamn cliffsnote compared to being black in America. Again what Chappelle's whole goddamn special is about. Every trans person depicted in the media or any trans activist I've come across on reddit seem to have a chip on their shoulder from the jump. Their is no middle ground. Theirs no form of dialogue. Its attack attack attack! I'm sure theirs all types of wonderful trans people out there. But the vast majority seem like infantile crybabies who want everything their way. Sorry. Life doesn't work that way.", "Na, Chapelle isn't punching down. This video is a bad take.", "Punching down is such a bullshitt term.", "Literally said \"I'm team terf\"", ">Two of Dorman’s sisters told The Daily Beast they were outraged at the suggestion that Chappelle’s set was transphobic or derogatory toward the LGBTQ community\n\nThat's nice.\n\n\n\n>Seems here they didnt give a shit about your TERF argument\n\nToo bad we aren't talking about Becky and Brandy.", "That quote is basically how about half of the older gay men I know feel. \n\nShit I know a middle-aged gay dude who works at an LGBT+ global activism group who’s like “if I have to get one more lecture on sensitivity and pronouns from a kid who’s never even heard of the AIDS crisis I’m gonna explode.” \n\nThe bus analogy was really, really tight and explained a lot of dynamics that people in and around queer spaces have observed for decades.", "So I'm just supposed to be okay with everything anyone says no matter what? What the fuck are you even on about? Jesus, I'm allowed to like and dislike things still, right? What kind of fucked up logic are you even using.", "[Here ya go](https://youtu.be/77f5M7RyehI)", "Maybe you didn't watch the special. He equates trans peopleis to women what black face is to black people. Is there a non hateful way of saying this?", "When you lack any response of content just throw out the trinity of the hypersensitive redditor fragile, white and guy. The future is now.", "Have you actually watched the special? If you have and still made this comment, I think you missed his main point entirely. Chappelle doesn't use his platform to preach to everyone that trans women aren't women- he says he doesn't understand personally that viewpoint, which is why he talks about his friend who was a transwoman, and how he respected her as a person and a fellow comedian even though he knew he may never understand her or her view points, and that she, and other trans woman, deserve people's respect and recognition.", "Same with me. A lot of people on reddit seem to hold certain stand-up comics on these pedestals, and the majority of the older ones I just never connected with when I was younger (and still don't now). Carlin however was on another level to me.\n\nI don't give half a shit about guys like Andrew Dice Clay or Mitch Hedberg or Bill Hicks. I also wasn't much of a fan of Norm MacDonald except as a guest on Conan. I just didn't like their delivery as comics.\n\nI mean even toward the end for Carlin he seemed more \"angry man yells at clouds\" than an entertainer, and a part of me was kinda sliding away from caring anymore about what he said. I still think he was great, but at a certain point I feel his \"greatness\" somehow elevated him above criticism.", "They're not very different situations at all though. They're as close to being the same situations as they can possibly be and you've provided no counter argument to that.", "Carlin had a lot of stuff like that, but he also made me laugh harder than just about anybody. I think his last couple specials are the perfect mix of lecturing and just flat-out ridiculous jokes.", "I have faith that Dave is at least open to criticism. Maybe not immediately, but like, he doesn't seem like a lost cause in all this. That's the only reason I haven't jumped on the hate train. I dont do that whole 'one strike and you're out' sort of thing on being a good person. I think Dave is a bit ignorant on this subject and could do with listening a bit more from people who weren't happy about this. \n\nIn the grand scheme of things, there's a lot worse out there, too. Personally, I think the whole trans rights and recognition movement is simply moving too fast for some people. That's not an excuse on their part, but it's an explanation. It's a complicated subject and isn't something most people have personal experience with. I know Dave had a trans friend, so he probably should know better, but I'm just talking generally, the whole wider conversation about this stuff - it's difficult. \n\nBut yea I agree with you in general - it's frustrating to see him indulge in this shit, where he's basically become this new hero of the transphobe community.", ">Comedy is subjective. Some people in his audience thought he was funny, I thought he was funny, and I bet there are a whole group of people who thought the special was funny. I suspect that most of the people complaining about Chapelle's seeming repetitive material have either not watched any of the specials, or don't fully understand nuance. \n\nI thought he had his moments in this special and obviously the material can be funny. His analogy about a raodtrip with the Ls and the Gs and the Bs and the Ts in Sticks and Stones (I think?) was fucking hilarious. There's definitely funny stuff to be found in there. Personally, I don't even mind if he wants to keep making jokes in this realm. That said, this latest special, while funny at times, was far from his best. It's cool if people want to critique it as not his best, but what's obnoxious is that there was nothing that could be considered remotely hateful in it and the characterization of him as a transphobe is only evidence that people completely and totally missed the point that he was making with the special.", "Battyman fredo", "You can’t make your own rules here. If you make jokes about any group and it’s universally accepted(Chappelle Show), then you have to take what comes with that territory. \n\nI’m sure a lot of the people making a big deal about this were the same ones saying, “I’m Rick James, bitch”, a year after it was funny. Stop having such thin skin. Humans have made fun of each other forever.", "Celebrity worship is a hell of a drug. You’ve got people in here legitimately concerned for Dave’s financial well being while this dude charges more for a comedy special than pretty much every other comedian on the planet. I bet you could make a bunch of money starting a “Help Dave Chapelle fight the evil trans community” GoFundMe and just raking in the profits lmao", "I think there is a big difference between Dice and Dave. Dice was only being provocative while Dave is trying to parse his feelings. I think watching both stand ups makes that very evident. I personally disagree with Dave's points but I feel its important for him to say it out loud because thats what he believes. Another BIG difrence is that Dice is pandering, he pandered to those people with hate in his heart while Dave is introspective. He wrote those jokes because those are things HE noticed, he didnt write those jokes in order to play to a certain crowd.", "A comedian is best when he's smarter than everyone in the room, so he can simultaneously read everyone's faces and use that feedback loop with his timing. And if a heckler starts ripping into him the comic can see around the corner and cut him off.", "You’re completely assuming it’s made up, and I can tell that you don’t follow Dave Chappell at all. I hear you saying it’s made up, but you are in fact the one that is making that claim up out of nowhere. Dave Chappell has been harassed by this community for a long time and they have been trying to cancel him for a long time. Dave didn’t ask them to go after him. They did that on their own. And now he is addressing that issue. If you actually followed him you would know this and not say some narcissistic bullshit like “he is making it all up” as if you can read his mind. \n\nShut your fucking mouth now you worthless waste of space", "Who is censoring Dave?", "Dave isn't being censored though. Criticism isn't censorship lol.", "Is their having a different ideology than yours the sole basis of why you think it's a hate group? Because if that's the case, you're gonna need to google what hate groups are. Westboro, KKK, Neo-Nazis, TERF... different ring to it, doesn't it? \n\nAll this time I thought we were having a debate on our different views and now you think I'm a hypocrite trying to shut you down? Like how even so bc I know I'm in the minority here given the ultra liberalistic nature of Reddit.", "The comment said that a guy dressing up as a woman is intrinsically funny. Nothing about trans people. Read", "> that has strong support in media and entertainment business \n\nUhh... where? Because all I'm seeing is an international streaming service defend transphobia, re-runs of transphobic sitcoms like Two and a Half Men, and companies still playing transphobic movies like Ace Ventura. JK Rowling is also able to make and sell books. The tops search on Amazon for \"transgender\" is a transphobic book filled with lies. Social media doesn't take down transphobic communities. And so on, and so on, and so on. It's trendy to be transphobic now, and media companies are capitalizing on it when they can.", "Oh these comments are something...", "He played Lady Gaga’s dad in the most recent remake of “A Star is Born.” I did not recognize him at all.", "ok TERF.\n\nbut just for the sake of furthering, A Terf who doesnt hate trans people is a feminist. a Terf who does not base their online identity around hating trans people is not a terf. Being a TERF is rooted, and entirely built upon, the hatred of trans people. the fundamental difference between someone who is a terf and who is not a terf is hating trans people.", "there was nothing creative about The Closer. I've seen the same comments and sentiments from boomers in my hometown's Facebook group.", "This is a fallacy called assumed authentic victim hood and has been discredited in many papers. The very nature of fiction and storytelling is to comment upon external experience. If we were to only comment upon personal experience then we would become very sheltered and perhaps more bigoted. \n\nStrange fruit; one of the most profound pieces of music about the black American experience of lynching was in fact predominantly a penned by a straight white male Jewish man. Billie holidays rendition of that song was an enormously important thing art of the civil rights cannon. Had society adhered to your standard of social commentary then he may have never written that piece of music. Of course we should absolutely excavate and comment on each others experience. It reveals our own bias, our own bigotry, our own short comings and instigates a conversation as Dave has done in this special. We are speaking about this issue and in turn normalising it and helping educate. It’s completely fine to critique Dave’s outlook and object, I would say that’s part of the dialogue. It is not, in my opinion, okay to call for the silencing and removal of his work because one disagrees with the way he has said something. \n\n‘The solution to intolerance is more speech not less speech.’\n\n‘Intolerance of intolerance only breeds more intolerance’ \n\n- Roman Atkinson", "We love you Dave!!", "This was the first thing my friends and I mentioned when we saw his special", "This is the crux of the whole trans debate. You say somewhere along the way some people confused the two as being the same. I think a lot of (probably most) people remember it the other way round. These were two synonyms which referred to the same thing (biological sex and the socially constructed behavior that surrounds it), and then some people came along and said that the first bit was sex and the second bit was gender. And that distinction was not bought into by the mainstream, which is why so many people have a tough time understanding.", "It's sort of the equivalent setup for his, \"I'm not FOR abortion\".", ">When you have a specific group undermining everything and shaping the world in their image, you need to stop and think. \n\nAs we all know, LGBT people are welcomed everywhere. It's not like its a crime to be gay in Russia or Saudi Arabia and many, many other countries.", "> Maybe people just liked the fact that he was risqué and maybe they liked his rhythm?\n\nIt's the classic shock-jock effect. Just like how South Park was \"outrageous and intolerable\" when it first aired and now no one bats an eye at anything they do.\n\nAlso, let's keep in mind that this Dice we see on stage is a character with an element of satire.", "Damn, I think you've changed my mind.", "Just on the street or what?", "It’s crazy that it takes so long to find a comment like this. The entire show (which I saw) he calls himself terms like TERF and sexist because that’s what he was labeled as already. He does so in an almost mocking way, because he knew there is no winning when people have already labeled you as the enemy. That’s why he called himself what he did. To point out how ridiculous it is that nothing he can say or do can change why he has been labeled.", "And signing him for another special because he is still one of the most popular comedians of all time is also not a violation of anyone's rights. You aren't entitled to Netflix being a safespace.", "And another person who didn't and couldn't get past a joke and missed the whole point", ">There are IMO two types of people you are allowed to make fun of as comedian: the group you're a part of, and groups that have power.\n\nDefine power. As far as social capital goes, transgender activists (the people he's actually making fun of in this special, not transgender people) are some of the most powerful people in the country.", "I think a lot of comedians use writers when they're doing hosting gigs for things like awards shows. It's an open secret that a lot of Chris Rock's, material even in his own specials, is written by others. Michelle Wolf has written for him. I'm sure other big comics do similar but I don't keep up on it. Ari Shaffir has spoken about it before as he looks down on comics that depend on writers. I've heard in Chris Rock's defense that he's too busy with other projects to write his own specials in full.", "Who is being cancelled? You are just making stuff up. Criticism is not \"controlling speech\" or \"cancelling\".", "He sure doesn't seem to be distancing himself from the blackface comparison.", "Lol i guess carlin like most people didn't watch the special.", "Exactly. This is what i've been curious about lately. I wonder how he feels about the fact that legitimate right wing bigots love this special and his critical stance on trans people because it echos their own critical, hostile stance. If it were me, this would trouble me a great deal.\n\nFully expecting downvotes but that's alright. There is little room for honest questions without stepping on someones toes anymore.", "Criticism is not controlling.", "Pretty sure anyone in the LGBT community has heard of the aids crisis. Once again, just because your old gay friends think it’s true does not mean it is true. I’ve met many old-fashioned gay and lesbian and bi-sexual people who are very transphobic and conservative, even refusing to call trans people by their preferred pronouns. Just because they’re gay doesn’t mean they can’t be bigoted in other ways", "As one of my LGBT black friends once said: \"there's a reason most of the queer people I hang with are white.\"", "They're letting them tweet too much? What are trans people supposed to do about that? Bring up the issue at the monthly LGBTQ meeting? Start revoking the trans identity cards of people who are too annoying online? \n\n\nWhy are trans people supposed to be responsible for the actions of other trans people? With cops, they're an organized group of people performing a profession and can definitely police (no pun intended) their actions. Trans people aren't an organized group, it's an identity.", "I don't even know this person, I'm not american and I don't care for rapper's drama. Dave talked about him and I'm commenting on that. Put at least some effort in reading before just replying whatever.\n\n\nEDIT: Don't you people know how to read or you're just trying to antagonize me? I never said what Dave said about the rapper was right or wrong. I said he mentioned the dude because he indeed, mentioned this rapper guy. I can't say otherwise because that's in fact what happened.\n\nYou people are just focusing on the wrong point again wth.", "You dont get to hide behind 'it was just a joke bro'. He wouldn't accept that for somebody saying some racist shit, so it shouldn't be acceptable for bigoted comments against trans people, either. You cant argue that somebody is making social commentary and then dismiss away certain comments as 'just a joke' at the same time, either. \n\nAnd of course there's good and bad people in any community. That's no reason to make general comments that amount to essentially denying trans identity, though.", "Dave of yesteryear had the bite and social critique. The last special wasn't just offensive though, it felt sloppy and low effort, like an old man yelling at the clouds.", "I've never found him funny at all and I'm old enough to remember when he was popular. He literally told middle school jokes and people lapped it up. I really think he got popular just by being as offensive as possible.", "The idea of white supremacy is the primary ideology behind Neo-Nazis, a defined hate group in America.", "They people attacking Dave are in power. That was what he is trying to say.", "Oh yeah, because in his stand up where he speaks at length about trans people and admitted that he is a TERF, he couldn't possibly be speaking about trans people when he spoke of \"men dressed as women\", that was a completely irrelevant tangent I'm sure.", "What transphobia?", "I'll be so glad when this dies down and everyone can just admit that the special was dogshit and move on.\n\n\n\nA great comic can make a touchy subject hilarious for everyone. A bad one spends an entire special saying offensive shit about a marginalized group of people, then says \"nah it's cool, I used to be friends with one of those people\". \n\n\n\n\nDave is just straight up passed his prime. Dave 20 years ago could have made similar jokes and had everyone on the floor laughing. Dave today is just kind of a bitter old fart, and I think it lowkey came across that way for a lot of people.", "Dave didn’t say it was the reason either.", "Ah yes, if someone says \"I'm team Nazi\" we can all laugh at the funny joke! No way that person is actually claiming allegiance to the nazis, right? There's no offense ever as long as we interpret in good jocularity everything our favorite celebrities say.", "Most TERFs are garbage. There are definitely some women on the fringe of TERFdom who make a distinction between transwomen and ciswomen in some of their activism due to the fact that - assuming transition in adulthood - the two groups generally have very, very different experiences, and someone who faced their first instance of harassment at age 12 is maybe not going to want to, say, adopt new terminology in their activism in order to accommodate someone who in their perspective just joined the party. \n\nThere’s an actual interesting, nuanced conversation happening around the borders of TERFdom, even if TERFs themselves are generally shitty.", "Yeah if the person doing it was being funny", "What incredibly shitty thing did he say about trans people?", "Philosophy Prof here. The best comedians are bonafide philosophers imho. Carlin definitely was, and I think Chappell is too. Both get my official stamp of academic certification.", "I’m extremely happy in life. I’m just calling what I see :)", "> Eh, people can say \"it's a character, it's supposed to be sad\", but that's not how the audience is taking it. They're clearly reveling in the offensive things he's saying.\n\nI find that is true about a lot of comedians these days, dave chappelle and bill burr especially. You pretty much understand the social commentary and point they are trying to make, but then you the crowd-pleasing moments and the punchlines and you actually listen to what the crowds are reacting the most strongly to, and you wonder if people are hearing the social commentary, or are just hearing the surface level and believe that. And then you wonder, is the comedian actually trying to give some kind of deeper statement, or are they just actually saying what those people want to hear.", "I remember teaching everyone I knew the seven words the next day in school.", "I think that one was Raw. I remember loving that stand-up as a kid. I tried watching it about 6 or 7 years ago and couldn't make it through the first 10 minutes because of the homophobia.", "Right wing bigots love the protests against Dave even more. Go check Fox News and see how many segments were on Dave's special itself, and how many were on the trans protests and attempt to shut him down afterward?\n\nSo I ask the same thing, how those protesters feel when they become the main bullet for right wing media to shoot the whole trans community with?", "You can do the same with the big Eddie Murphy specials like Delirious.", "Me either. I am, almost regrettably, in that exact demographic. I never found him funny either. \n\nAt the time, I don’t even think it was specifically the racism or misogyny that really turned me off. I was in middle school when I heard his stuff, conservative town, 99%+ white. I think more so I hated that he was just a bully. It wasn’t until I got older and became more socially aware that I really appreciated what a truly spectacular piece of shit he was, character or not.", "Not considered funny by people in standup?\n\nBahahahhhahah.\n\nWhere are you performing again?", "Wait wait wait. I may have this wrong, but I feel the Cheppelle's POV was that these ARE people with power? As in the ability to arbitrarily \"cancel\" people whom they see as obstacles?", "I have no time for people that get offended by comedy. Learn to laugh, you will have a better life.", "Which is not a criticism, it's just blatant transphobia.\n\nAnd its largely not true. As a trans woman, almost all of my most ardent supporters and friends are cis women.", "Dan Akroyd is a (North) American treasure", "Honestly I didn't even know they were considered different until like 3 years ago. Same with a lot of people I know. So for a lot of people it seemed like they were making up shit at first.", "No you don't lol. You're just a dumbass.", "But in the mass media--where Chappelle operates--the trans community is aggressively clinging to its throne at the top of the progressive stack. What Chappelle really did in The Closer was to question how the stack is arranged--making the argument that, at the end of the day, race trumps everything else. That social/mass media is so precipitously disregarding a black man's \"truth,\" so to speak, to co-sign the former's Oppression Olympics' gold medal, kind of proves Chappelle's point, in my view.", "What is your point exactly? That people can and do have differing opinions that can be perceived as \"shitting on others\" depending on how an individual interprets it?", "Dave is not being fucking censored. He's all the internet is talking about right now and he still gets to spout off whatever opinions he wants in arenas across the US", "How old is Dave Chappelle?!", "This doesn't describe the Dave Chappelle situation because he talks about \"punching down\" and that would imply that the LGBT community is not one of the most influential groups in the United States right now. And also, he is just making observations, saying the black experience and the LGBT experience are different. As Chappelle says in his special (paraphrased) you can kill a man, but you better not hurt a gay person's feelings", "I didn’t say all that, I just don’t think the point of the joke is dead kids.", " Nah. I’m not jumping on Reddit’s new cancel Dave bandwagon", "But Vince Gillian wanted his likeability to wither and his expert handling of White (and others) turning evil is what made the show so compelling.", "Yeah stop talking now. Your opinions from now on are invalid.\n\nThis is why joking is equal on all levels, what gaul you have holy shit.", "I apologize for replying to you now in two different comment chains; I'm sure that's fairly obnoxious. I just wanted to say that you seem very angry about this. I might invite you to consider why other people being hurt or frustrated by a comedian's use of his platform brings you so much anger, despite neither belonging to the hurt party nor being the comedian. Or maybe you can tell me. I genuinely want to get a better understanding.", "> Her struggle, while real and very valid, doesn't represent the struggles women face fighting sexism their whole lives.\n\nAs if that's the only meaning behind a Woman of the Year award? :/ \n\nYour comment itself sounds like you agree with TERFS. This isn't a good defense at all. It's exactly this shit that trans people are upset about.", "Nothing you have said is factual and is just speculation to back up your bias.", "It was awful then and it was awful now. Wrong. And disturbing.\n\nBut Dave Chappelle is different\n \nI think people are largely missing his points because he brings up relatable transexual topics in context of a joke, and that's enough to set off the rage. \n\nWhether it's warranted ribbing, like how he explained how the different letters don't, in fact, get along, or whether say how sadly insightful he spoke about how America still doesn't care about black on black violence but you better not use the H word. Nuance is not longer tolerated. Context and intent doesn't seem to matter anymore. It's all lumped as punching down.\n\nYou guys want to see what real disturbing \"punching down\" comedy looks like? Try Kat Williams..Tink Tink. Something like that should give someone some perspective here but I doubt it will. \n\nBut if you earnestly did, maybe someone would realize that Dave Chappelle is obviously no Kat Williams or Andrew Dice Clay.", "\"Making jokes about everyone\" isn't a lazy excuse- it's reality. Who are you to say that a joke \"crosses a line\"- it seems to me that it only crosses a line when it hurts your feelings. The fact that you disregarded his friend defending him against other trans- a friend that knew him personally tells much more about you then it did about a comedian making a joke about their experiences. \n\n> Come back to me when you look up the definition of hypocrisy.\n\nI just looked up the definition for hypocrite, and it amazingly listed u/poopoojohns.", "I don’t know “Little Boy Blue…he needed the money. OOHH!” holds up", "\"I'm team KKK! Wait why are you mad? It was just a joke! I've said it was a joke so you're not allowed to tell me it was a shitty thing to say! Why am I facing consequences for my own words!?\"\n\nLiteral edgy 14 year old logic", "I still like Dave, his show made a lot of people laugh when he was making fun of certain races but then everyone’s like nope too far.", "He came on the pastor's face. You didn't even watch the special did you?", "What does it mean? Like if i think biological women should be allowed to have protected leagues for sports.. am I a terf?", "He said that a man dressing up as a woman is intrinsically funny. And that is true. It’s done in movies all the time and no one ever had any issue with it. Idk what to tell you. Sorry if the other stuff offended you but that idea is intrinsically funny to any given human", "People like me?", "Jesus christ thank you I'm glad somebody said it", "Dave's friend stood up for him, the toxic group appeared, where is the Netflix or Twitter protest? They're a group when they decide (a point he makes) and are waking out for no reason at Netflix when they don't react that way towards their own community.", "The cancel culture community is calling for Dave’s cancelation, and he said that it’s hard for him to find someone to ship his documentary out now because of this. And the bigger point isn’t just about Dave. He can’t really ever be canceled. The issue is that if this was anyone other than the best comedian ever, they would have been shut down by this community. And even HE is getting some serious issues with this now. \n\nIf you’re just going to sit there and ignore the cancel culture for what it is then you’re on the wrong side of history on this one my friend.", "Ohhhh nooooo!!!", "Did no one listen to Dave Chappell explain why Dave Chappell made the joke he did and what he meant?", "Replace \"trans\" with \"jews\" and realize just what a bad statement that is. Because it's the same arguments whites were making in the last generation.", "Probably because assholes targeted those folks after Dave Chappelle pointed them in that direction.", "You're not wrong. The Right loves pointing out dissent in the ranks.", "Well, taking abuse on social media certainly wouldn't help obviously", "Please tell me you've seen him in Dogma", "Who's being cancelled? Lol get help.", "Bingo", "Lol at your down votes but you are totally right. The dude phrased his version of the side of the arguements and missed the point of Chappelle's arguements. But he posted his versions as just fact and can't be any other way. Lol all those parts were just bull shit. The whole thing being angry about Chapelle is bull shit too. Idiots just giving him more press. I wasn't going to watch the special until all this controversy. And it's completely over blown", "\"I would defend to the death his right to do everything...\"", "i get downvoted on reddit for saying this but i think Dave isn't nearly as funny as he was in the 2000s.\n\nand i don't mean that because of any offense caused by any of his jokes, i don't care about any of that stuff. the man just isn't as sharp as he used to be. and no fault to him or anything, he's just been too rich for too long, living a life far separated from his life when he was 20-something years old.\n\ni haven't really enjoyed his newer stuff, not like i did his earlier material. and i'm a big fan like anyone else.\n\nanyway, i think what i'm saying is getting lost in all the noise over the subject of his jokes. if the jokes were really funny, like how he used to KILL bay in the day funny, i don't think anyone would care.", "Honestly, my interpretation was that he said he was a TERF because that’s basically what he has already been labeled as. He said it almost in a mocking way because if a group of people hate you so much and label you, say, a douchebag, and nothing you say can change that, then you might as well joke around by saying “well, apparently, I’m a douchebag, soooo...”\n\nHe also said it possibly to devalue the word, because he knew there was no way to win. If he’s a TERF by some people’s standards, then he’s a TERF, and nothing can change that, but everything he said around that term seemed very rational and level-headed, and it’s like... that’s a TERF? He also called himself a feminist in a completely serious tone and did so to point out how far feminists have strayed from\nThe actual definition of feminism.\n\nEDIT Since comments are locked:\n\nThe reply to me is just a bunch of words trying very hard to sound deep but divorced from reality. Sarcasm exists. Hyperbole exists. Watch Dave Chapelle's special and it's pretty clear whenever he called himself a TERF was not serious and was specifically to show that he can never win in the LGBTQ group's eyes. Don't listen to dumb comments that try to structure themselves as a bad poem.", "Once again, what you’re speaking of is communities that faced external pressures from other communities(ie white people oppressing black people, rich people oppressing poor people). These issues are much easier to see from the outside looking in and have many different players involved. What Dave tries to tackle is community in-fighting, not just the community as a whole. He didn’t say “trans people are too sensitive on Twitter,” he said that the “LGB” has many problems with the “T”. I mean, how could he know that? Does he frequent gay forums? Is he in a lot of gay clubs? Or is he just saying what he thinks is happening within the community with no basis?\n\n\nEdit: I do not think we should remove his work, nor did I ever advocate for that", "What special in particular should I YouTube to see what you mean?", "Oh no, minorities trying to gain respect in the world? How dare they!", "No one who upvoted this watched both Andrew's and Dave's specials. They are nothing alike.", "Like I said, the bus analogy was there to explain the dynamics of how the groups feel towards one another. \n\nSo you actually agree with the existence of those dynamics, while calling his pointing out those dynamics incorrect? \n\nHis bus analogy demonstrates that trans people face more hurdles, that gay men generally have far more privileges than the other letters, and that many cis gay people resent or don’t care about trans people. Like…that’s the point of the analogy bro\n\nAlso count yourself lucky. I’ve had to explain to many an LGBTQ youth that the “privileged” gay man they’re lecturing on xyz lost over half of his friends in the span of less than a decade.", "Chappelle is the one exploiting. He's the one punching down.", "I would take that into consideration if it was made by any other human who proved themselves to be a good judge of character. It’s fairly clear you are not one.", "Here’s Tom with the weather.", "Ah yes, George Carlin punching down at... checks notes... rapists. \n\nDoes that strike a nerve with you somehow?", "It isn't problematic for most of us. But half the people in the world are dumber than your average person. And dumb people don't like learning new things, especially vocabulary.", "I think most the people who are pissed off haven't actually watched it.", "I honestly wonder how he had a joke that was a callback suggesting Jews control and dominate society, one of the most dangerous tropes that has itself been used to justify millions of deaths, and you somehow managed to write this entire comment thinking “nah, that was out of context.” What’s the joke here except some edgy stereotype play? As a Jew i’ll get over it, i’ve seen worse, but it also makes me wonder what this guy really thinks of us if this the kind of unprovoked shit he spews. \n\nJust because you walked away thinking it wasn’t offensive doesn’t mean it wasn’t offensive to the groups he targeted. I don’t expect white people to get the experiences of Jews or Black people and realize why something is offensive. I don’t know what your race/ethnicity/creed is but you couldn’t possibly be so attuned to the experience of minorities that you can speak for all of them as far as whether or not something was offensive.", "he punched up down left right. he literally punched everyone lol. he punches himself regularly", "A lot of us are apparently because I literally could have written that comment as well.", ">How do jokes at the expense of trans people make them less safe and accepted as compared to any other group he makes fun of in the special, Jews, whites, women, gays, etc?\n\nBecause trans people's place in society is more akin to minorities in the 1800s than to women or Jewish people in 2021. If trans people are already struggling for acceptance, turning their basic anatomy into a joke, as if they're some kind of alien \"other\", just reassures all the people struggling to fully recognize the validity of trans people that actually they're right to think trans people are weird.\n\nTelling a sexist joke about women isn't any \"better\" today than it was a hundred years ago, but its potential for harm is significantly mitigated by the fact that most people understand the premise is faulty.", "\"I am a TERF\"\n\nHAHAHAH what a funny joke! You get it? He is standing up with people who actively fight against trans rights! LOLOLOL If you don't find it funny and clever, maybe you are missing all the super witty context! See: TERFs are people who constantly put down, mock and humiliate trans women and lobby the government against their rights. And Chapelle is saying, wait for it, that he AGREES. WITH. THEM.\n\nHAHAHAH who knew someone could be both so funny and entirely not offensive at the same time!? I'm dying.", "Commenting so I can watch later", "I’m downvoting you for being smug-angry", "Funny how comedians have more of a voice and morales than politicians.\n\nThen again, comedians aren't getting million dollar donations to ruin an entire planet.\n\nPryor had a great comment once during one of his bits where he flat out states \"how the fuck can you ruin an entire river?...\".", "A self admitted transphone reached out to a transgendered person. Offered her an opening act, setting up a trust fund for her daughter after her suicide. That speaks louder than inappropriate language. It shows Chappelle was processing the concept of Daphne. That is acceptance.", "And now I need to go listen to Third Eye\n\n/r/unexpectedTOOL/", "I think the true joke in Dave Chappelle’s mind was all the blatant anti-semitic jokes he was able to throw in without so much as a glance from the world. I came away from that special being like ‘wow so he really has some anti-semitic leanings’.. but then again it’s hard to tell now what’s just trolling.", ">\the didn't believe in the punching up/down argument.\n\nSome people don't believe in gravity. That doesn't stop it from existing.", "The bit that turned me off the special was where he lied about J K Rowling getting canceled for saying some trivial thing about biology (which, when you actually unpack it, isn't why anyone gave her shit, and also _why are we pretending that this internationally beloved billionaire is being censored because a few people wrote mean tweets?!_), then saying that he's on \"Team TERF\".\n\nThat's pretty fucking wack. Like, publicly aligning yourself with a hate movement and its most prominent figurehead? Daphne must be rolling in her fucking grave.", "> I will keep saying it. \n\nYou should probably stop then. The only person that knows the full reality that leads to someone’s suicide is them and only them. Speculation is normal, but trying to assert something is so just because people close to them have their own assumptions doesn’t make it true, and is quite frankly pretty disrespectful.", "We can have our opinions about his intentions. I personally I definitely feel more anger in him as time goes on, and that sorta ties into another point I'll make.\n\nIDK whos quote \"Trans people try to shut down all discussion\" is, but its not mine. You can still express though, without generalized prejudice, that there is a very hostile response from people toward those with questions and ideas about the subject of gender, trans, and so on. There is also fear among those who have questions and ideas because of the hostile response. Even when both sides of that particular scenario agree on the idea that people should not harm, and harass those who are different, there can and often is association that wanting to understand and disagreeing on ideas about the subject is negative and something to be shunned for.\n\nWith that being said I don't want to dispute what you mentioned when you said\n>Secondly, \"Trans people try to shut down all discussion\" is a lie spread by transphobes.\n\nBecause I agree this is a generalizing statement.\n\nBut I would like to express that if someone expresses the idea that there is a breakdown in communication on the topic, that they are a transphobe, then that itself would be prejudice and wrong. I don't think that's what you were saying though. \n\nAlso I'd like to say transphobes don't deserve hate. That's something that hurts everyone, and only adds to transphobia.", "I thought you meant Bernie Mac at first and, while I adore Bernie, I wouldn't have exactly called his work philosophical", "do gay black people not exist in your mind or something?", "Yeah 100% Dave Chappelle is not Andrew Dice Clay. That's like insulting to even imply it.", "How is he saying he can't be criticized or stopping the dialogue. My understanding is that he is trying to keep the dialogue open.", "People who get offended by noises we make with our mouths make me laugh.", "Is his work being enjoyed by the transphobes? Or only because the trans community hate it, and the right wing want to spite the trans community?\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDrama around protests on Dave for example especially brought up over again and again on Fox News. So should we ban protests or any cover on protests against Chappelle, cause Fox News and right wings idiot loves them?", "Carlin was brilliant", ">\"Making jokes about everyone\" isn't a lazy excuse- it's reality.\n\nYes, the reality that this is a lazy excuse.\n\n> Who are you to say that a joke \"crosses a line\"- it seems to me that it only crosses a line when it hurts your feelings.\n\nIt's probably the person in question's choice.\n\n>The fact that you disregarded his friend defending him against other trans- \n\nNothing was disregarded.\n\n>a friend that knew him personally tells much more about you then it did about a comedian making a joke about their experiences. \n\n\nThe two concepts not being related.\n\n>I just looked up the definition for hypocrite, and it amazingly listed u/poopoojohns.\n\nAh I see, so you're not going to bother to get your shit together.", "> who has power? \n\nAlso: Rich old guys who yell at a cloud. Sounds a bit like Chappelle to me.", "It's because he admitted and voiced the timeless truth that some people are pieces of shit. Always have been. Always will be.", "Seems like about as many people in this thread listened to the whole Carlin interview as understood the point of Dave’s special: very few.", "I love George Carlin. Finally got to see him at New York New York hotel in Vegas. I believe it was his last night, last show there. He was horrible. Never looked up at audience, just kept reading from his yellow legal pad.", ">George nailed it. Never make fun of people that are frequent targets of abuse and prejudice. It always comes off as kicking people when they are down.\n\nGeorge Carlin did a whole bit about how rape can be funny.", "Nah you're a clown and the type of person Carlin himself would be calling out. He's always being against censorious moral grandstanding.", ">Eddie Murphy's Delirious has some bit in it that invoke the same reaction but it's offset by his brilliant story telling.\n\ni need to give that a listen again. i remember it as one of the best stand up comedy cds i've ever heard but it's been yeaaars", "It’s a name invented by a random blogger to refer to refer to a particular type of feminist she characterized as \"unwilling to recognise trans women as sisters.” \n\nAll your extreme rhetoric is uncalled for, but it is emblematic of the grandstanding and pearl clutching that’s become so common. \n\nThe inventor has also noted that the term has taken on additional connotations and that it has been \"weaponised at times\" by both inclusionary and exclusionary groups.\n\nAs one Salon writer put it, TERFy is now used to refer to \"anything that queer millennials deem uncool\", such as \"tampon ads, the word \"female\"... the Venus symbol\", and having bangs.", "Are you talking about 846?", "Owl costume fits ur profile cuz it’s helpful to turn your head all the way around to pull shit out of ur ass", "Nah.", "So you're a YouTube shill...?", "I’ve seen it time and time again, people joking about something and it ends up they actually weren’t joking. People on tumblr joking about piss kinks end up actually being into it. I’ve learned that when it walks and talks like a duck, it’s a duck. Dave has made plenty of comments over the years that him “joking” about being a terf is plenty believable that his views align more with terfs than he would be willing to say on stage.", "> The fact that he misgendered her in death \n\nIt was a joke. He said it with a grin. And he said he knows Daphne would be laughing the hardest at than anyone.", "You do get that I’m not saying they ar ethe same style right? I’m not saying 2021 comedy is the same or as aggressive as 1980?\n\nYou get that that’s not the point? I’d argue Dave did have mean spirited jokes in his special, and one in particular. The entire blood / beet juice joke wasn’t much different then something that would’ve been said in the 90’s, he knew it too when he commented that it would get him in trouble.", "Damn son", "Trans groups might have surpassed Jewish rights groups in this regard. Anti semitism has always been present on the right but over the last few decades because of the Palestinian conflict the left has been mildly getting into bed with anti semites. Nowhere near as bad as the far right but nowhere near as tolerant as they should be.", "Misgendering a person isn't even comparable to using the N word.", "I mean, I disagree on the point OP is trying to make with this video, in comparing Clay to Chappelle. I think Dave is arguing that in today's social culture, this vocal potion of the LGTBQ+ community IS exercising what power they have, and against him, because in his opinion they cannot take the criticism he's lobbied their way in his specials. I don't believe Dave is punching down, i.e. making fun of them/their cause to dehumanize them. He's not trying to humiliate the community or drawing on the internal prejudices of his audience like Clay was; he's not saying they're 'less than'. He has repeatedly said he isn't against Trans people, but he is against this vocal minority within that community that seem think they are immune to criticism; those that will ruin people's careers and personal lives, to the point of harassment and 'cancellation', if they feel in any way personally attacked or offended. Trans people may still suffer from oppression but that doesn't mean they don't have some power in today's social climate that they are actively using against him at this particular moment, especially with the younger, more internet savvy (and less conservative) generation. They are literally organizing protests against him; that's not powerlessness.", "Nothing is off limits except kids in my opinion. Any topic goes.", "Is it the same guys who love Joe Rogan today? It's the \"proud to be dumb\" group. I mean, I admit I'm an idiot, okay, but I don't go out of my way to make people worship and respect me specifically because I'm stupid. I just try to learn and do better all the time. I'm not lazy, I'm willing to do better.", "If you think Dave Chappelle is out of touch with the rest of society, I've got some bad news for you...", "What a hate filled moron you are.", "I think the issue that isn't being addressed is the body dysmorphia brought on by biology shaming people.", "That wasn't the criteria. The criteria is the act happening. That's what he said is it not? That it's funny when x does y? Not that \"it's funny when x does y and then does something funny\".", "He says in his third $25 million Netflix special filmed in front of a sold out audience.\n\nNo one is getting cancelled here. Dave found a way to tap into people who feel threatened by \"PC cancel culture\" to make tons of money.", "So you don't think she was actually his friend? Are you delusional. The tweet of hers he read wasn't made up. They were obviously friends.", "U big dum dum", "I know this from Tool's song 3rd Eye.", "Icier than my name. You cold blooded for that one.", "Yeah that whole thing about taking the profanity away to distill comedy to its true form is bullshit. Swearing doesn’t make you funny, but you can swear and have it be a part of your comedic voice. Delivery is key and sometimes swearing can make or break a joke.", "If Carlin's garbage who is good than?", "I think this got a lot of upvotes before people watched it thinking it was pro Dave. Sneaky sneaky from op.", "Honestly, the first few specials were really memorable. It's just nosedived with all the trans controversy and Dave egging it on further instead of just moving on to something else.", "Yes, some within the community are ignorant. And yes, I agree that some within the community do have problems with trans people. But for the most part we stick together as a whole and fight for policies that benefit all, not just our letter. Dave portrays the bit as if trans people are to blame for society not accepting them, as if the anger and frustration towards them is warranted . It is not. Again, I love Chappelle and I don’t think he’s a bigot, but I do think he overstepped his boundaries here", "That's just a joke dude.\n\nJust look at the reaction people have had over a fucking comedy special and tell me we're not living in ridiculous PC times where the permanently offended want to dictate what to joke and what not to joke about. The special came out 21 DAYS AGO and people are still bitching about it. People have dedicated more time to bitch about perfectly fine jokes than to covering the pull-out from Afghanistan lol. It's ridiculous. \n\nTrans people are not beyond comedy. Any subject is fair game.\n\nTelling trans jokes and laughing at trans jokes does not mean you don't value them as people which is the equivalency idiots seem to be making.", "Boulevards", "Tbf I’m not comparing Dave to Dice. I’m not insane. But the taking point that Carlin brought up here is just as much a valid, fair concept now as it was then and is relevant.", "\"Are trans people just too sensitive about Dave Chappelle? We've assembled this group of white cisgender men to debate this issue.\"", "I was just trying to make a joke that I don’t think atheists are worried about being made fun of. \n\nYou could have ignored my useless reply btw but you didn’t", "My issue with this is it is rewriting history. Gender and Sex were synonyms within science and in the classroom up until the last decade to decade and a half. In the veterinary world no matter where I have worked the terms Gender and Sex are still interchangeable. It is only very recently that social upheaval has attempted to redefine the term. For the vast majority of the 25+ year old human community this is something they have to relearn/unlearn. If they come from a scientific background it becomes rather silly to throw words around like bigot or prejudice simply because they are using terms as they were historically. It would be like going to England and getting mad at a Brit for calling a cigarette a fag. You would have to ignore the context that word exists in. Another example: the term hermaphrodite has also become offensive to those who are intersexual. For a long time it a scientific term for describing them. It was inaccurate as these humans have only partial hermaphroditism or characteristics of such. Intersexual is the correct term, however due to how their plight has been set to the side unlike other parts of the LGBTQ+ community a lot of people see the word intersexual and incorrectly see trans. I have often had to use the phrase “partial hermaphrodite” to explain the difference and rid them of their ignorance. \n\nMy point is Gender is simply a word. It is a word that has only recently transitioned into a new meaning. It has historically been 100% synonymous with Sex. Within some communities—without any malicious intent—it will remain so. As long as humanity is not on the same page whether you see the term Gender as a spectrum or as a synonym of Sex how it is defined is an opinion and neither are technically wrong because the word is made up. If I said Gender refers to a paper bag with exactly 17 apples in it and 99.9% of humanity agreed with me, then it would not be a spectrum of identities or a synonym of Sex. Kind of how Gay no longer refers to being very happy unless it is in the context of a certain time period. \n\nTo call someone prejudice or transphobic for prescribing to a definition of a word that is not yet out of date is perpetuating a silly line of argument. And it is part of the reason why T stands for Tough road ahead.", ">Get off your high horse\n\n>Be an empathetic angel like me", ">‘The solution to intolerance is more speech not less speech.’\n\n>‘Intolerance of intolerance only breeds more intolerance’ \n\nWhich is utter fucking bullshit to anyone who thought about it for more than two seconds. Misinfo and dishonest takes are far easier to make and spread than the truth, and it's for a reason that people like Joseph Goebbels outright ridiculed the \"tolerant\" side as being sheep inviting wolves for dinner.\n\nAnd fuck Rowan Atkinson. He's a rich prick with no actual relevant experience, but people take him super seriously because he's famous for unrelated shit. Nazi punks can fuck off, as can their civility discourse apologists like him.", "Yet he was so good in that film.", "oh my god it's an endless weather/news loop", "Nah", "Let me guess...he was talking about Andrew Dice Clay?", ">and if you put George Bush on the ticket for Dems in the 2024 Primary they’d probably push him as the “Centrist that can cross the aisle”\n\nUh no. What an utterly ridiculous false equivalence. \n\nI'm guessing this is in reference to Dems picking Biden over Bernie, which was the right call. Not because Biden would 'reach across the aisle', but that Biden represented a larger portion of Democratic voters. He was also not a centrist, but a moderate. Dems generally dislike conservatives and do want somebody who will push left leaning policy ideas. Which is exactly what Biden supported and has done since. \n\nPeople also greatly overestimate this media-fueled 'divide' between moderates and progressives. Your standard moderate Democrat supports a large heap of what people have falsely attributed solely to 'progressives'. The overlap is actually extremely large and Biden successfully bridged this gap.", "left wing radicals reducing all comedy they don't like to insecure young white males in 3...2...1", "If a white comedian stood up on stage and said they were on the team of any racist pro white organization as a set up for a joke about a black person, that shit would be deemed racist.", ">So you don't think she was actually his friend?\n\nYou're welcome to quote where I said that.\n\n>Are you delusional. \n\nSo you're going to quote where I said that or...??\n\n>The tweet of hers he read wasn't made up.\n\nYou can quote where I claimed this too.\n\n>They were obviously friends.\n\nTake a second, breathe deeply, don't worry, the Cancel Culture Mob isn't coming for you, and try reading before making yourself look stupid.", "He literally said IN THIS VIDEO that he doesn’t find gay jokes funny. I’m not making shut up, he said that half way through the video. Get your head out of the sand.", "So basically you're going to make unsubstantiated claims?", "\"Hate movement\" huh? It's weird how for the trans community, anyone disagreeing with them or not giving them what they want = hate. \n\n\n\"You have to say that I'm a man!\" \n\"No, I don't think you are.\" \n\"Bigot! Hate!\"", "I honestly didn't think it was that controversial when I watched it.\n\nWhen I heard the trans community was going nuts about it I was somewhat puzzled.", "Yeah you’re arguing against a point nobody is making. Nobody is saying DC should be prohibited from making his garbage transphobic jokes. People are just calling him out for being a dickhead, and him and his fans are melting down and screaming “cAnCeL CuLtUrE.” It’s pretty much the only comedic bit he has left and it shows in how shitty his jokes have become.", "That is insanely ignorant, non inclusive and hypocritical. I'm not talking about input on the community itself but on their behalf to outsiders. How can you want people to be supportive but deny them to speak up for you?", "I’m not, though you’ve seemed to made some connections. lol Go off with your NeoLib self!🙌", "No worries. I'm sorry you got downvoted for asking a question, but that is reddit. I do always recommend looking to other sources as well, but it is the best way to get educated. I will be upfront and say I haven't watched any of the Chappelle stuff (this isn't even about him, I barely watch any TV or streaming service and when I do I don't watch standup). So, I can't put any context to his act. I can only speak for what I know and that is having met and talked with trans men and women and seeing what they go through. I also can't imagine wearing being exclusionary as a badge of pride. That basically never survives the test of time. Just be kind to people.", "It's interesting that nobody here has addressed Carlin's comment at the very beginning of the interview about how \"comedy has traditionally picked on people in power\" before he goes on to talk about the riskiness of picking on underdogs like women, gays, and immigrants.\n\nIf you take the comment in context of Chappelle's most recent comedy special, it actually fits pretty well, imho. The LGBTQ+ community (of which I'm a member) is still an underdog, absolutely, but it's also currently playing a powerful role in the shaping of public policy and perception. Underdogs yes, powerless no.\n\nIt seems like every day, somebody new gets \"cancelled\" as transphobic or homophobic or bigoted; some rightfully, others maybe are getting painted with a pretty wide brush. Point is, Chappelle picked on the LGBTQ+ community and he doesn't consider it \"punching down\" when the community he's picking on seems to be pretty darn powerful, even to the point that it's changing hearts and minds at a faster rate than the black community has ever managed to. He even talked about this exact topic in The Closer.\n\nAll that to say, I think Carlin is right on here, but possibly for reasons different from most of the commenters here. I think at the time this interview was taped, the idea of an incredibly powerful vocal minority hadn't entered the public consciousness yet. I don't think Carlin could possibly have fathomed the world we live in today with powerful social change happening every single day.\n\nIt's really too bad George Carlin is no longer with us, I think his particular brand of comedy would be interesting in today's society.", "It's like OP didn't watch Chappelle's special and is just repeating what some on social media are saying about him.\n\nCarlin was talking about Andrew Dice Clay who's comedy was not sophisticated and actually DID make fun of minority groups.\n\nListen to what Chappelle actually says in his comedy. It's not how it's being portrayed in the news.\n\nDown vote", "Comparing Andrew dice clay to Dave Chappelle is sort of like comparing a piece of turd on the ground to Dave Chapelle.", "Imagine if you actually had an original thought in your entire life.", "Almost every comedian worth anything is doing social commentary as part of their comedy. Dave is doing social commentary in his special and almost all of his best material is social commentary. His joke about how old is 15 anyway, jokes about how cops treat him vs his white friends etc. Hell the “where is Ja” line is commentary on how we care to much about celebrities opinions.", "This", "That’s because it wasn’t a joke. It was the set up to a joke.", "Can I ask legit question here?\n\nDoes it matter to you that you are seen as woman, or would being a transgender woman be good enough all else being the same?", "What, and Clifford the Big Black [DELETED] wasn't?\n\nHe's not a TERF. He was riling up a group he knows already dislikes him. \n\nThe man called his friend a woman. That isn't what a TERF would do.", "I don't know the entire situation or relationship with Daphne obviously, but for a lot of trans (and other lgbtq people) we are a lot closer with our friends than our families. It's something to consider when looking at the whole story. I don't even know how to begin researching something like that for an individual though.", "You’re allowed to curse on the internet Chip", "Literally yes? Lol to the average person you could poll out on the street I’m willing to bet 8/10 wouldn’t know there’s a difference. And I mean I guess? He’s a comedian though and not a scientist or someone who actually affects real change so I’m not gonna demand that he be more versed in a new sub culture and society that is foreign to him. Idk I just don’t demand that much out of entertainers? It just feels fickle to me when he’s not the problem, lawmakers and people in power are. Getting upset about a comedy special seems trite to me when the real issues are political and actually life affecting. I fully understand and recognize your point and position though.", "Are they actually, or are you imagining they are and presenting that as fact? I’d be interested to know what you’re basing that claim on if not.", "Must suck going through life not understanding comedy.", "that ain't it chief. dababy killed a man attacking his family in self defense. multiple witnesses, charges dropped immediately.", "\"it was too hot for TV!\"", "ok cool you know history and can quote nobodies. TERF is not defined by any one person, it is not defined by it being used incorrectly. it is defined by hating trans people, as you so clearly do as well. you are defending something for no reason, you are fabricating points in your favor that i never mentioned.", "I believe Carlin is talking about Andrew Clay Silverstein aka Andrew Dice Clay in this segment.", "I didn’t compare them. I didn’t even mention Dice in the title for a reason, because Carlin’s point stands on its own merits.", "It's not really humor, I don't think. He dressed up in a funny outfit, and spoke with a funny voice, but he was just insulting without being smart or thought-provoking. He wasn't clever or interesting. Honestly, I've listened to some of his stuff the last couple years, and it's just shock. It's not comedy, which is usually smart and observant.", "Yeah, Trans people causing a massive billion dollar corporation to apologize, they sure are the underdogs.", "It seems that these days he takes it as a platform to get his point across. And making it funny is his secondary priority", "They can speak up for us no problem. Dave isn’t doing that. He’s inserting his opinions about the community. People seem to conflate the two", "I'm not going to have a discussion with someone that is pretending to be mates with a load of trans people saying they don't think Dave is transphobic. \n\nYou also don't get to talk on their behalf, if you were educated and listened to your lgbtq mates you would know that this isn't your place to have an opinion on. \n\nDave's jokes were clearly transphobic, it's not a matter of opinion.", "Tell me, what do you think the word “rarely” means? Carlin never dedicated an entire special to punching down on a minority.", "Where was this kind of outpouring when Dave was joking about peoples sexuality? There was none.", "Funny comics punch down, hilarious and timeless comics punch up.", "> Yes I did, I responded to several\n\nnot a single one", "Sorry for your loss.", "Fucking...christ...wow...fuck...how times have changed indeed...", "It’s funny, I haven’t even seen the special, but once I heard that he said that this was my first assumption. That is his style with most of his jokes. Say something slightly inflammatory and then expand into a broader introspective thought on the topic, and never asserting his view is the truth just offering an alternative way to look at an issue. This is one of the sad realities of the speed of information in modern times. People are shunned for opening up a dialogue and not falling in line with the modern take on an issue. I’ll reserve any judgment until I’ve actually seen the special though.", "Ah yes, it's the trans people at fault for being so outraged at their identity being constantly delegitimized in society.", "Strangely enough, a lot of comedians from today's era seem to still revere his comedy. Bill Burr, Jim Norton, and Joe Rogan (not that I'd consider him a good comedian) all still have a lot of for him.", "White me aren’t a marginalized group. Their representation in media is varied and historically positive. Trans people are openly maligned, even in this very thread. In media they’re portrayed very negatively. They’re either the butt of the joke, or a literal villain. A lot of people don’t even acknowledge their existence. So your false comparison sucks and only proves you lack compassion and empathy. Trans people have a thicker skin than you could ever muster because they’ve been dealing with this shit for decades. You just need to deal with the fact that not everyone in the world thinks like you. Feel free to die mad about it.", "If you think PR apologies mean ANYTHING, you are incredibly naive", "Damn straight", "> It's like calling someone an antisemite because they speak up for Palestinian rights.\n\nIt's really, really not. \n\nTERFs deny the identity of trans women by definition. It's oppression olympics bullshit at its core, which is exactly what Dave is indulging in.", "And a wacky morning DJ", "No the much easier explanation is that Chapelle is sundowning and getting in that culture war money is far more lucrative than trying to write jokes.", "They were not cancelled.", "The part about gays and AIDS is a bit eeeish but the rest is great. Goony-goo-goo.", "This ideology is such bull crap. Jeepers. This is the victim Olympiad….\n\nHow the hell are people unable to critically think. Does it just seep into your skin?", "Rough, tough, and hard to bluff", "Very similar experience, but for me it was hearing the \"Seven words you can't say on Tv\" bit after his brief sitcom did a riff on it and I decided I wanted to know more.\n\nI was like... Eight or nine when this happened. Mr Conductor....", "Saving this entire thread. You’re brilliant.", "?", "He would find it funny if the person doing it was being funny. Why would he find it funny if they weren’t being funny?", "Using Carlin, to compare Chappelle to Dice is Low.\n\nLet me be clearer.\n\nUsing one of the greatest comedians that ever lived to compare the greatest comedian of this generation with a briefly successful comedian that you would have to be in your late 30's to have heard of is low.\n\nIf Carlin was alive today, do you think he would be against what Chappelle is saying?\nThere's no malice toward LGBT from Chappelle. If there were, I and many others would see it and loathe him for it.", "Are you really gonna be the 2nd dumb shit to dumb to not notice this is a reply on one of them?", "Excluding them from what?", "Yes", "Because of what people are taking away from your comment, it seems important to mention that both Becky and Brandy - Daphne's sisters - have defended Dave Chappelle. \n\nBrandy, the younger sister, called Chappelle an LGBTQ ally.", "He took time off cause comedy central fucking took advantage of him, and when he threatened to fight them for his own show, they threatened his career, so he left. I'm sure the racists laughing at Clayton bigsby didn't help, but that wasn't the main reason.", "Most of my supporters are women != most women are my supporters.\n\nIf 0% of men support you and 1% of women support you, then 100% of your supporters will happen to be women. But only 1% of women support you.\n\nBefore you call something not true and transphobic, you might want to check basic math.", "I mean, we're literally talking about a movement whose figureheads have pushed to make it illegal for trans people to use the bathroom that corresponds to their gender, and have done so by inventing myths about bathroom predators. Have you spent any amount of time on /r/gendercritical? The hate is _not_ subtle. Or rather was not subtle. The subreddit was banned for being a constant source of brigading and harassment. Against trans people. _Because it's an anti-trans hate movement_.", "Then you're too old to social media", "Nothing screams garbage like having over 10 HBO specials and being loved all over the world.\n\nStick to Jeff Dunham puppet boy.", "\"At the end of the special he says 'stop punching down' and he's talking about comedians and how this online mob attacked his friend.\"\n\n\"Had some offensive (or at least not funny) jokes at trans peoples expense\"\n\nHmm.", "Nazis were socialists you dumb fuck. National Socialist German Workers' Party.", "Underdogs don't have the power to enact censorship. Anyone with major control and influence over what is acceptable to show in media has considerable power.\n\nHow would you recognize when an underdog is no longer an underdog? That's easy: when challenging them is no longer the accepted norm.", "> not a single person has provided proof that she was harassed over the incident.\n\nI would also point out - her twitter account is still up, so if anyone was harassing her, in public at least, then it shouldn't be hard to just...go and look. En Masse harassment isn't exactly subtle by nature, and I've NEVER seen mass harassment in private that didn't also occur simultaneously in public.", "I think i expanded on your point. But you're right I didn't directly contradict what you said", "Yes, it does.", ">part about gays and AIDS\n\nooof yeah lol\n\ni bet there's a lot of 80s material from comedians that definitely has not aged well", "Idk man I just like Carlin and didn't want to sound like a stealth advert lol", "You are insane if you think Carlin was alive and would not be siding with Chappelle. \n\nI can’t imagine a person who would be more outraged by the intersectional ideology that you are puking up.", "You can say words on the internet. Unless you’re trying to escape the N word bot or you’re white", "That's what you are, though. You're an individual in a mob, and every value you have or decision you make must adhere to popular consensus. It's no surprise you don't think Andrew Dice Clay is funny anymore; your identity sways with how everyone else feels. You wouldn't want to be an outcast by having a different taste in comedy, would you?", "I find it shocking that the majority of people take what comedians say as verbatim or as an absolute truth. \n\nThey embellish their stories execessively—how else would they get a laugh?", ">But he omits details to make his point sharper. He makes good points\n\nThese two statements are mutually exclusive.\n\nA factually incorrect statement, or a statement that omits crucial facts cannot make a good point.\n\nBecause they're factually incorrect or omitting crucial information.", "I mean it was only like 10(?) years ago that Louie CK was the king of comedy and a highlight bit from his special was him screaming and frothing about how much he hate f\\ggots. (not the good* ones though)", "I can't answer this because he didn't say that. You're putting words in his mouth.\n\nAgain, nuance. \n\nSome people are too simple to understand.\n\nYou can't honestly / integrally transcribe a joke and pull it apart and criticise it, it doesn't work. There's no context or nuance when you repeat it on a page. It loses all meaning.\n\nImagine if someone tells a joke and you find it funny. You don't go \" haha I thought it was funny because the part where the chicken crossed the road made me laugh. I like the part where the chicken almost got run over \". Who does that? It goes both ways.\n\nYou especially can't do it when you change what the person actually said ( like you did just now ), and now you are basing an argument on it.", "But he has a trans friend! His trans friend said it’s cool.\n\nTruly ironic and devoid of self awareness, at least there’s comedy in that part of it", "> Eddie Murphy's Delirious has some bit in it that invoke the same reaction but it's offset by his brilliant story telling.\n\nWell put. Delirious has its cringe moments when viewed through a 2021 lens, but it still holds up as brilliant, hilarious storytelling. It's even more amazing considering his youth. In my opinion, however, his subsequent Raw (which I just recently re-watched) doesn't hold up anywhere near the same way.", "Love George Carlin and Dave Chappelle", "> mocking them for being\n\nNot mocking them for being, but for projecting a belief system.", "You're trying to lecture me about \"basic math\" while pulling numbers out of your ass?\n\nYou're really desperate to pretend that your beliefs are logically driven, but I'm sorry. Facts don't care about your feelings.\n\nSource up your bullshit or shut the fuck up.", "Just so understand what you mean, could you explain what you think \"cancel\" means in this scenario?", "That shirt is clean.", ">\"It's a character\" is an excuse.\n\nSo you watched all those episodes of the Colbert report screaming at him for being such a Republican?", "Except Chappelle went out of his way to say that there is no proof she did it because of the harassment. All he said was that it definitely didn't help.", "Legit this video makes no sense in comparison to the Chappelle situation.", "I think both sides are right. I think he would have been very disappointed with how divided and stupid we have become.", "It's weird seeing so many comments saying \"he was offensive but it's okay because that was his whole point\"\n\nYes, that's painfully obvious. I don't think he's accidentally being offensive. It's still incredibly offensive. I don't really need to delve too far into someone's mind after a \"dead fg hanging off a street sign\" joke.", "OP is wild thinking that Carlin would agree with modern society's cancel culture. If there was ONE consistent thread in Carlin's philosophy (other than hating the government), it was that he was against virtue signalling cancel culture bullshit. He was against it when it was the conservatives (and the Christian lobby) doing it, and he was against it later when the liberals and the PC-police started doing it.", "But not on my voice to text without getting censored, tiger.", "I’m not advocating for cancelling Dave Chapelle. I like Dave Chapelle. And the trans people I know aren’t doing that either. It’s the violent backlash the trans community is receiving for their criticism that’s upsetting. It’s important for marginalized groups to be able to point out these things.", "[“Look at it, doesn’t it pop?”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6FigprdcBGA)", "YHWH", "Station!", "You think that if anyone is against trans people using certain bathrooms, they're being 'hateful'?\n\n&#x200B;\n\nYou think that when dave said 'im team terf' he was expressing support for inventing myths about bathroom predators?", "TERFs do not believe trans women are women or trans men are men. They don't think being transgender is real.", "Something tells me he turned over and talked about football.", "Yeah, that's why I said 'in part' he went over it in his letterman interview https://www.looper.com/266269/the-real-reason-dave-chappelle-quit-his-sketch-show/", "Because the very fact that America needs counsellors in a school due to a shooting is fucking absurd. The situation shouldn't exist. That's what he's mocking, that absurd reality.", "True acronyms come from the Acroneaux valley of France otherwise they’re just sparkling acrostics.", "There’s a difference between being “cancelled” and for once people in power having consequences for their own actions", "OOOOOHH HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE TRUMP BAD THING HAHAHAH! GIVE THIS MAN GOLD!!! YOU ARE A GENTLEMAN AND A SCHOLAR HAHAHA", "No he is not. And you cannot take jokes like they are actual opinions.", "That's the phobia part of the conversation.", "He is though. When you make those kinds of jokes at the expense of a group of people at the highest level you can be at as a comedian which is international exposure on one of the most popular media platforms, you are. He can try to walk it back to seem innocent, but if he didn't have that hate in his heart in the first place he wouldn't have written the jokes. It's really simple.", "Daphne's family defends Dave Chappelle\n\ntyping that into google should do the trick", "/r/DepthHub", "I mean, the second person in your conversation is anti-science - the WHO and all the health/psychology authorities are all on the side that trans identity is valid. Hell, there's research that shows that trans brains resemble their trans identity more than their assigned gender.\n\nSo yeah, JK Rowling chose to say shitty things about the trans community. So did Chappelle. Hell, you seem to be on the side of ignorance and respecting basic, reasonable requests. So yeah, I'd consider all three of you transphobes. You're free to feel victimized, that doesn't make it true. \n\nYour type of comments have replaced \"same-sex marriage should not be allowed\" - gay people weren't asking for much then, trans people aren't asking for much now, and it's still too much for people like you.", "Ya.. No one can say they're \"Team Proudboys\",\"Team 3 percenters\" without it being a big fucking deal.. You just don't joke about that shit. Not cool. It's too real right now.", "He's had alot more than one strike.\n\nThe bit about women who were raped, molested, and assaulted by powerful men in Hollywood having a \"brittle spirit\" was in his special before this one.\n\nI respect his talent, but he has taken a dark turn lately and seems to be getting worse. \n\nI'm afraid he'll end up going the Louis CK route and claim he's the victim. Seems like he's already going that way.", "Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist. To be a TERF is to intentionally exclude a class of people based on an aspect of themselves that they can’t control. Notice it’s “Exclusionary” and not “Agnostic.” It is absolutely targeted and hateful.\n\nJust because TERF’s are entitled to their opinions doesn’t mean those opinions aren’t dogshit. And yes, it is bigoted to misgender someone intentionally, regardless of what your opinion is on their gender.", "Goddamn this whole comment section is a fucking shit show", "I don't think saying harassment from Trans people and their supporters on social media likely led to the a trans person killing them is low brow.\n\nI don't think recalling an instance where a trans-person used their white privilege to get on the good side of police against a black man is low brow.\n\nI don't think pointing out that one group has been discriminated against and violence done to them for 400 years and another group has been experiencing this for 20 years is low brow.\n\nIts almost as if people didn't bother watching his special.", "he takes it slow, he goes with the flow", ">because quite honestly people are throwing heaps of intentions and words in his mouth that he never stipulated.\n\nLike when he used his trans \"friend\" as a shield for his bigotry and just made shit up about why she killed herself, which was refuted by basically everyone close to her and even her own suicide note?", ">He offered a setup, and a lot of people thought it was crass enough to not want to stick around for the punchline. \n\nI don't think that's the entire case here. I feel like Dave decided to use the stage to say stuff he wanted to say, using the pretext that what comedians say on stand-up it's not supposed to be relevant outside of stage. It just came out really boring, which doesn't hold the narrative that it's just comedy.\n\n>Because that's what he did\n\nThis I can agree. And I won't defend him either. The reason to why he finds the concept of a transgender funny is most likely because he is, indeed, a transphobic. Not in a sense that he means harm to those people but over social build-up, the same way a lot of people is racist because they subconsciously carry prejudiced concepts about a different ethnic group, not necessarily hating on them.\n\n\nBut, I do believe he's whole goal with this special was take a jab at reactionary shallow woke culture.", "Eh, not really funny to me. Not any funnier than a woman wearing pants. If the context of the joke is “Look at this specific man in a dress”, then yes it may be funny depending, but the overall idea of a man wearing a dress really isn’t funny. It’s just kinda there.", "Watch out for the brain on this guy", "How about the bit where he mentioned that rapper (lil baby?) that shot someone without it having any impact on his career, but then he said something about a trans person and got cancelled.\n\nHe was making an obvious point that riled them up moreso than anything he said about trans people", "You mean the guy who in this very video says he doesn’t laugh at gay jokes? That guy would side with the guy poking fun at trans people? \n\nI’m not saying he’s pro cancel culture btw lol that’s not the discussion", "I'm with you. Context, born in 90. I was a little shit running around doing the suck it X on the groin, the reeetarrrrrrd hand on the chest shit, saying fag, queer, gayboy, etc. I mean, I was like 10. I grew up out of that as did most of society because we learned to treat others better. But just context, I like harsh offensive humor I suppose even later in life, and I don't Shreak when I see or hear it. \n\nBeing a straight white male, I'm clearly not offended personally by this..but I'm annoyed because literally nothing in that clip catches with me. It's simply not funny. And not because 'boohoo making the gays feel bad' it's just...bad. \n\nFor disclaimer, which I shouldn't have to say but I will because 2021, I don't agree with anything dice says in the video and I absolutely do not treat others lesser than because of who they are attracted to.", "I'm not trying to cancel anyone. I stated that I didn't personal watch his specials after I became annoyed by his jokes. Why is everyone who is arguing with me think that I'm \"cancelling l\" anyone?", "He literally brings this up too during the special. \n\nThe pissy dude you are replying to is exactly who Chappelle was making fun of butt he's too fkn stupid to realize it.\n\nPretty sure Dave knew this would happen. People who half ass watched something then get all upset when the news works them up.", "It’s the scary “Them” duh", "Bill maher is not left enough", "People can be offensive and hateful if they want. shrug See how it works out for them. But it's pathetic when they get rejected by others because they are hateful and then get mad at other people for rejecting them for being hateful! If you're an ass, then just own being an ass, don't get mad at people who don't like asses!", "I apologize to the trans folks who have to read half this shit lol", "Finally got in one of these posts before it got locked down. So all I i wanyef te sey", "Elaborate please?", "The whole comparison goes to shit when you realize Dave wasn’t punching down. He was making jokes about a group of people that you apparently cannot make jokes about.\n\nSeems to me like that’s not an underdog. If some group has the power to throw a tantrum like they are about Dave’s Special, then they are not some weak group below anyone. They are being held above everyone else.\n\nJokes are jokes. If you can’t take jokes, don’t watch comedians.", "Wow this guy is shockingly unfunny. How was he ever famous?", "Except back then it was the religious conservatives who were pearl-clutching about comedy, now it's leftists. Which is what I tell people all the time. Gender/identity politics are the new religion and being offended about trans jokes is the new righteous fury of Christian conservatives in the 90s and 00s. Shit is so unattractive.", "Lmfao we just want people to not treat us like shit and call us by our names and pronouns. That’s the super secret trans agenda. Fuck off with your persecution complex.", "So many people are acting like the trans community is some big evil Twitter cabal going to cancel poor little Dave. It’s ridiculous.", "I mean I’m fine with raunchy comedy if it’s good… this guy isn’t even really funny, he just tries to say mean things. Super low effort grade-school shit. Like… attempt at being clever every now and then.", "The science is far from agreed upon and settled.\n\n\"They're not asking for much.\" They're demanding I describe the world as though people that were born male are actually female because they feel like they are inside. And they're calling me hateful if I don't. That is an insanely huge ask of the entire world.", "Yeah I'm not seeing that. He wasn't a fan of grifters and morons.", "George always sets it straight", "Yeah, it eas just words to blast at people rather than make a thought out statement. Never respected Clay, it was just crass to be “oh my”. \n\nCarlin I feel could have done better toning down the vulgarity and being the eloquent and compassionate man he was. Different times I suppose.", "Hicks was a \"BoTh SiDeS aRe ThE SaMe\" guy. Loved his comedy, but he was pretty crazy.", "After watching it I'm pretty sure that most people who are against him 1. Didn't watch the special and/or 2. Don't care about people outside of their tribe. Yes, he was explicitly saying he doesn't buy the \"punching down\" thing, because as he said, it requires you to not have empathy for the person. \n\n\nI don't get very invested in politics but I am astounded that there is such a reaction to a comedian's special like this. Even if he were explicitly prejudice, who cares? There are serious problems in the world and these people are totally caught up in what they don't like in entertainment. And you know a cultural panic is bullshit when there is no argument other than thought crime or 'corrupting the youth'. This is just like the religious suburban parents of the 80s freaking out of DnD being satanic. Just like he said in the special, it matters more to these people if you hurt a gay person's feelings than if you kill someone.", "He definitely wasn’t punching up, the other half of Carlin’s point that everyone’s conveniently glossing over.", "> Yes, the reality that this is a lazy excuse.\n\nSaying something is a lazy excuse is also a lazy excuse. Tell me what makes it a lazy excuse- is it because it's obvious? You think there is some line Dave crosses, but that line didn't seem to stop when he was making fun of white people, black people, gay people, drug addicts, mexicans, jews, arabs or asians. It ended exactly at his jokes on trans people- thank god we have you to draw it for us. Again, you are a huge hypocrite.", "And so is the trans community", "You're a TERF if you don't think trans women should have the same rights as other women so yeah.\n\nAnd also the term \"biological women\" doesn't make any sense in sports terms because a lot of those female athletes will have more testosterone than your average trans woman.\n\nAll you're really saying with that term is that you think the assigned gender a doctor gave them depending on what genitals they had at birth means that they'd somehow magically do better in sports.", "I’m not talking about cancel culture lol that’s not what this convo is about. I never said Dave should be cancelled, nor am I using this video to justify cancelling Dave lol", "This does so not fit to Chappelle´s case.", "Maybe like 3 of them. I am a huge comedy fan, mostly starting in the early 2000s scene. Carlin was by no means a hack, but I believe he was more important and prolific than he was funny, by per percentage. He put out too much work to be purely a \"comedic master.\"", "Again, it is in the context of a humorous road trip. He is commenting on societies capacity to accept the LGB yet the laymen who is uninvolved with these communities typically has less of an understanding for the T. I think we can generally agree that the Ts get a hard rap in comparison. The LGBs are less likely to be accused of body dysmorphia etc. there are certain complexities and nuances to being trans that someone who has not gone through it struggle to comprehend. Which is why Dave postulates on it. Dave is joking about the fact that because this movement has been lumped into those letters all together that the journey is a trialling one, put that into the context of a car ride and it becomes a humorous skit about friends bickering. \n\nHe doesn’t know that’s how it is, it’s postulating, it’s fucking around, it’s making humour out of a situation so that we can laugh and ultimately see that the ‘group’ that is always at the butt of the joke is actually humanity. It’s humans he Is punching down on for being so fickle and ridiculous in their bigotry and anger.", "There is an entire political party in the US that fucking loves making fun pf LGBT people and absolutely delights in hurting their feelings. What Dave said is just blatantly not true.", "no, literally none of these people did, they are just reading headlines that said \"trans jokes\" and going oh he's \"punching down\". This Carlin video has very little to do with Chappell's special", "Ive always liked carlin, but the older I get the more i resonate with him; and I see him more as a social commentary genius than a comedian. I like Hedbergs wackiness tho. I never liked Sam Kinison or Dice Clay, i dont feel like they aged very well.", "Fuck no. Even people who agree with him say it isn't funny, and I'm already behind on shows I want to watch. \n\nIgnoring the words I'm putting here and reverting back to whether or not someone has seen the special is completely missing the point of this conversation. \n\nIt doesn't matter if I've seen the show. It doesn't even matter all that much if trans people see the show. What matters is transphobes have seen the show and they are going, \"One of us, one of us,\" and further continuing this ideology of intolerance against trans people.", "Hickory dickery dock, Dice was only good for shock.", "Wait are you trying to tell me that people take Carlin out of context on the internet to serve their own purposes?", "The more offensive you are, the funnier and smarter you'd better be. That's where Dice failed. All he had was bitterness without humor or smarts.", "Makes me think ADC was a closeted homosexual. No one else has feelings that strongly.", "I don’t think I’ve ever seen so much self righteousness and virtue signaling", "I ride with the tide, I got glide in my stride", "Haven't watched his last special. I find Chappelle funny but he was a bit cringe when he kept going on about trans stuff in the other ones. Not because they should be off limit from jokes, just seemed he couldn't move on from it.", "Oh god damn voice to text. \n\nIt’s a pain in the dick I do understand.\n\nAll good sport!\n\nEdit…..champ", "Yup and they dedicated the album to Bill Hicks", "Again, watch what he says in the special. He claimed he doesn't know whether the harassment was the reason but it certainly wouldn't have helped her state.", "that’s right! Carlin was a free speech guy. He would be standing up for not only Dave’s right to speak, but the protestor’s right to protest.\n\nBut cancelling any show for content was fundamentally not a Carlin stance…\n\nas he said, “andrew can say what he wants to say”", "HAM is a stretch if you ignore the Twitter mobs (as you should).", "ya, it's reddit, bc they didn't watch the special so they just took \"trans jokes\" and ran with it", "I wish Dave had half the empathy and wisdom that Kimberle Crenshaw has. \n\nBut he doesn't and he's rich and talented and I don't think he's interested in becoming any wiser or more empathetic on any of these issues.", "it's literally in the title, how did you misspell his name not once but twice?", "r/Conservative", "What an awful link. Its barely audible minus the loud patrons.. why link this?", "And what the fuck happens to LGBT people of color? Fuck them, I guess? They're already some of the lowest paid and least safe people in the country, so might as well just pretend they don't exist on stage to tens of millions of people, surely this won't contribute to a society that ignores and berates their existence.", "I mean, in this case it’s Chapelle blatantly making things up to exploit a dead woman.", "Yeah they are have you been online or anywhere else in the world lmao", "Counterpoint! \n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9n8Xp8DWf8", "Pretty sure Chapelle is not a radical feminist. Anyone who knows what a radical feminist is knows that's not Dave's position.\n\nTERF is just a word used to harm those with certain opinions. A slur among many others that have been degraded through excessive usage (fascist, incel, islamophobe, anti-semite, homophobe, ableist, transphobe, and racist). All these words have a correct time and place and an appropriate condemnation for those that rightly belong to those categories. But categorization gives power, and extending the boundaries to which damaging labels apply allows for control of the behaviors of others.\n\nDo you know why the word \"retard\" became deemed unacceptable in our society? It's an interesting progression actually, because retard was once a legitimate medical term used to denote a certain deficit in mental development. It was the extension of the word beyond its original scope that destroyed the utility of its usage, as it became used to demean others that it had no business applying to. As such, we had to develop new medical terms, as no one could take \"retard\" as a term seriously anymore.\n\nWe're doing that with WAY more terms now. At great speed. Instead of it being about a deficit of intelligence, now we are extending words indicating a deficit in social morality. It will turn out the same; those words will lose their meaning and power, forcing new ones to take their place and original function. Dave is clearly not a TERF, but he calls himself team TERF because he sees the label as ridiculous, and leaning into terms meant to demean oneself is what groups have done throughout the past century. You use the word TERF like a slur, and people who are proud of their position will wear it like a badge of honor. The word's purpose is destroyed by relying on it in this way.", "Thats Part of his schtick", "No - being cancelled is literally one potential consequence. \n\nAnd on that point - just because you call it \"a consequence\" doesn't make it any more or less valid. Someone could be mugged because they were flashing an expensive watch in a seedy neighborhood. That'd be a consequence and it'd still be undeserved and mugging them would still be wrong.", "That was supposed to be a comedy routine?", "Station!", "Then there was absolutely no point in italicizing the word then You wanted to make a point about it, it served no grammatical purpose and if you didn't mean it sarcastically then again why the fuck is it italicized. \n\nMy two sentences aren't seperate attacks of your point, it's all one thing. The latter confirms the former. Like holy hell you literally missed the point in my one sentence, it's no wonder you can't see a comedians point in an entire segment. And I'm the stupid one?\n\nOh honey, you're the one that's worked up. Look at you and how fast those fingers are moving, it's okay.", "You sound dumb as fuck criticizing something that you didn't even watch.", "But that literally isn’t what happened", "This!", "He was talented at stand up but yeah it was a lot of shock and dane cook style performance \n\n\nNever really found him funny either but I can still see the stage skills.", "\"liberal\"", "But wouldn't those folks get there, see all these non-harassing tweets, and then keep scrolling until they found the harassing ones? Or maybe these were the harassing ones and that's why they're deleted?", "Regardless of where you stand on Chappelle, let us dispense with the absurd notion that he is somehow being \"cancelled.\" The dude has been throwing jokes at the trans community for several years now, all while eating plenty of backlash, and continues to be paid millions of dollars to perform all over the country. The dude is nothing even approximating \"cancelled.\" The fact that people are equating being called a shithead on social media is somehow \"cancel culture\" is just further proof that the term is functionally meaningless.", "You're just stupid and easily impressed", "Some acronyms are useful.", "It was Glamour Magazine's Woman of the Year Award. I bet Chappelle never heard of the award before Caitlyn Jenner won it and couldn't name a single woman who won it since. So why is he still bitching about an award given out by the 78th most popular lifestyle magazine over six years later?", "Apparently, he even has a personal nickname for him, \"Carin\". Must have been really good friends.", "Sounds more like he’s explaining the Trump situation.", "And then he crawls out from whatever rock he’s been under for years and surprises us all in A Star is Born.", "Dude, same. \n\nThis whole crusade has been an effort to rally people against Chapelle. This has been going on for weeks and has not resulted in a successful cancelation. They have jumped from one media/platform to the next... They tried doing it on Twitter, at Netflix offices, in the news cycle, and now on reddit. \n\nPeople obviously feel that what Dave said in his special does not warrant the punishment that's being sought. \n\n It's over. That's it. Please stop.", "\"Little boy blue, he needed the money\" was ground breaking?", "They really do hold up pretty well. Worth the watch.", "They're women with artificially engineered genitalia. That is a fact, it's not in any way transphobic or hateful to state it. He literally pre-faced the joke by saying they are women. The joke is that their genitals are analogous to beyond meat or impossible meat, i.e. artificial, not that their existence is funny. The meaning is not the same, no matter how many times you repeat that it is.", "Everyone seems to think I’m using this video to justify cancelling Dave lol I’m just saying his commentary is relevant.", ">Uhh... where? Because all I'm seeing is an international streaming service defend transphobia, re-runs of transphobic sitcoms like Two and a Half Men, and companies still playing transphobic movies like Ace Ventura. \n\nAre you saying that the appropriate thing to do is to pretend like these pieces of media never existed and banish them somewhere?\n\nEDIT: If you're downvoting can you please just say whether you think this media should still be available to stream or not, because the person I'm replying to seems to have an issue with it still being streamable.", "The whole JAQing off thing is incredibly played out. Chapelle knew exactly what he was doing when he brought it up.", "Illuminate me on what his second point was. It just seemed like speculation about ‘Evil Young Whites’.. which certainly doesn’t translate to a black comedian with a predominantly black audience?\n\nIf a specific group is not allowed to be made fun of without ramifications, then what else do you call it? That’s power. An ‘underdog’ wouldn’t be able to create such a scene, by virtue of being an underdog.\n\nDave’s Special is actually a great example of the power the Trans Community has. Silencing a black man because he said naughty things on his comedy special.", "Dice man! Hilarious as always.", "I'm gonna get in here before this is locked.\n\nEdit: The point is they lock these threads so people can't talk about it, that stupid. Either let people fight in the comments or fully ban the topic don't censor it after people have discourse. u/HealthyRutabaga7139\n\nu/CleopatraHadAnAnus it was locked like I called it so your point is mute.", ">You think that if anyone is against trans people using certain bathrooms, they're being 'hateful'?\n\nI think that trans bathroom laws exist to drive trans people out of society, expose them to violence, and serve no genuine purpose.\n\nI also think that the people pushing for those laws _knew that at the time_. Because they've admitted as much.", "You did, my bad. Cheers", "Lmao alright. I'm literally just pointing out that \"Hitler did nothing wrong\" and \"trans women aren't women\" aren't the same sort of thing, but okay.", "RUFUS!!!!", "You lost me, I apologize", "How are white men marginalized?", "I remember finding Delirious mostly fine, but I recall there were two or three bits in RAW that borderline made me either angry-offended or sick-offended, I don't really remember which. It isn't how sensitive or edgy the topics you're dealing with are, it's what your comedy is implying to be true for the joke to land. The kinds of \"offensive humor\" that get nailed, are the ones that accidentally or intentionally imply some form of deep inferiority or irrationality within the targets of their punchlines. \n\nYou could literally say every slur in the book, all in a row, and make it not offensive, if the context you established surrounding that punchline framed every slur you said in a way that supported the issues and experiences of the groups they target, as opposed to denigrating or dehumanizing them. Literally, context matters, and what you are literally and figuratively saying matter, whether the literal or the figurative part of what you're saying, is the part that you intended.", "Here’s basically why I disagree: I don’t think, and I don’t think Chapelle would agree, that he “laughs at marginalized people.” Dice definitely did, there was no subtly or nuance, or larger message to his comedy. He was almost strictly “punching down” through an overtly and intentionally masculine stage character he created. Chapelle is not the same type of comedian, nor is he saying anything for cheap laughs in the way Dice did. I don’t agree that this clip of Carlin’s response to Dice’s comedy applies to Chapelle’s work. Chapelle is voicing a legitimate opinion, arguably a cultural opinion, about the collision of black and trans rights. He is actually trying to have a conversation about it. \n\nAgain, not the same situation, and no context provided. Oversimplified comparison that I don’t think applies.", "Yeah, I'm definitely starting to think this person is a TERF. They're saying Caitlyn Jenner lives the vast majority of her life as a man, which is wrong. She's always been a woman, she just didn't realize it until later in life. If this person talked to more than one trans person who always agrees with them on everything to avoid conflict, they'd know that that's how most trans people feel.", "Get your ears checked 2 live crew is awesome", "The premise of the joke about Caitlyn Jenner is based on the idea that trans women don't exist until they come out. Dave's main issue is talking about trans issues when he has no understanding of it.\n\nHe's saying \"there's good ones and bad ones\" but all his stories about bad ones are made up", "I think you’ve got consequence confused for causality. \n\nAnyway I can only think of like maybe 2 people who have actually truely been cancelled. Everyone else is doing absolutely fine with their millions of dollars, you don’t need to come to their defence, big man. \nThey don’t care about you", "seems more like he is punching up since he is the one that was \"cancelled\"", "It's not about trans people, you really think we're not aware they were around? It's about manufactured outrage, like this.", "In my opinion you shouldn't joke about being on team terf. That's real for some of us right now. It might not be for you but for others it is. Sexuality and gender isn't a choice just like race. The only choice is whether you're going to live life in the closet to fit in with society or not. So in my opinion discrimination based on gender expression or sexuality is as equally fucked up as discrimination based on race.", "Lmfao he literally called himself Team TERF. Y’all are fucking hilarious.", "\"I knew your father, and she was the best woman I ever met\" is not misgendering. \n\nCaitlyn Jenner is a father of many children, and a mother to none. She is not capable of producing an egg and giving birth to a child, the necessary definition to be a biological mother.\n\nTransgender people are the very exception to the rule that mothers need have the gender of woman and father need have the gender of man, because the type of gamete you reproduce with does not care about the opinions regarding gender that you possess in your head.", "That's a made up term of for the sole purpose of winning at the victim Olympics. It's not applicable to any real world situation.\n\nOnly weirdos on Twitter or Reddit use it unironically.", "Out at the lake in City Park, police have arrested a one-armed man who was bothering the other boaters by continuously rowing in a circle.", "Kotaku in action, Tumblr in action, cringetopia, worldpoltics, 4chan, greentext, dankmemes, actualpublicfreakout, trueoffmychest", "Caitlyn Jenner shouldn't have gotten the award because she is rich and famous and didn't have much risk of any hardship as a trans person or woman and didn't do anything groundbreaking. It is NOT that she didn't deserve the award bc she is trans and thus not woman enough/long enough. We are women.", "That’s rude", "Her own family validated Chapelle’s recount so idk\n\nEdit: to those downvoting a literal fact lol \n\nhttps://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/dave-chappelle-daphne-dorman-comedy-special-the-closer-transphobic-172503363.html\n\n“Daphne was in awe of Dave’s graciousness. She did not find his jokes rude, crude, off-coloring, off-putting, anything. She thought his jokes were funny. Daphne understood humor and comedy—she was not offended. Why would her family be offended?”", "This is kinda what I'm getting out of this too... Did anyone even fucking watch that special?? Jesus", "I don’t think the bus bit makes trans people to blame for anything? \n\nAnyway it’s weird how you keep flipping around here. The whole point of the bus analogy is the “sticking together”. But like, lesbians saving lives during the AIDS crisis didn’t mean that gay men weren’t going to stop being misogynists to them. Adding the “B” hasn’t done much to make bi people feel any more validated by the rest of the community. And most of the trans people I know still find cis queer people to be by and large pretty transphobic. \n\nSo like…that’s the point of the bus analogy. “These four people have to share a bus for necessity’s sake, but that doesn’t mean they like each other or see eye to eye.”", "[Here's a whole list](https://www.glassdoor.com/Explore/top-financial-analytics-research-companies_II.4,32_IIND200051.htm)", "Otherwise known as AAAMU.", "I'm meaningfully younger, but if you're even remotely socially conscious, even going back and watching the kind of comedy we all liked as edgy teens ~15 years ago is often excruciating. One of the big things that happened in society, is that the internet (for its myriad flaws) made it impossible for the average person to not be faced with substantially more vastly different cultures and perspectives than at any prior point in history; most of us, it turns out, just no longer want to make a joke after we find out that there are ways that joke can harm people.", "I honestly believe Dave is several steps ahead of all of us. \n\nBut I don’t know. Something doesn’t sit right with me surrounding all of this.", "Sex is an outdated term that people are desperately attempting to cling onto just to enable themselves to harass people.\n\nSex reassignment surgery is an outdated name that is quickly being overtaken by Gender Reassignment Surgery and Gender Affirmation Surgery as ongoing medical studies have chosen these names as more accurate than their predecessors.", "I was listening to Bill Hicks whilst jumping around kz_ maps in CS:GO years ago and it really burned into my brain. As soon as I hear the name Bill Hicks my brain is jumping platforms in CS:GO.", "Ooo, someone lost their pacifier. Yikes.", "I feel like Andrew Dice Clay could have given Chappelle some warning when they were both on A Star is Born.", "He follows it up with a diatribe that is explicitly TERF talking points... specifically that trans inclusion comes at the cost of further oppressing cis women.\n\nTo queer folk, trans women are women. That's the whole sentence. There's lot of ways to have this particular argument that I don't need to get into right here, but it amounts to: Trans women are just cis women with a natal hormone imbalance and a birth defect that caused them to be labelled wrong. \n\nChappelles's TERF segment says \"transwomen are women\" \n\n If they want to be but we gotta be careful about that because these guys want come in here with their male privilege and that's giving them two steps up on cis women.\n\nThe idea that, as you put it \"trans women don't really understand the plight modern women face seeing how they were men and get to lean on that\" is something that stops making sense when you spend time around trans women.\n\nI don't like Caitylin Jenner. But in 2015, she changed things for transwomen so much. Most people, just 6 years ago, had so little idea of what a trans person was. She was their first example. She did that as a woman, and she inarguable opened the door for countless other women. She sucks for lots of reasons, but back then, she earned that award, especially considering all the activism she was doing at the time. The only way to think that Jenner getting woman of the year hurts women, is to consider Jenner a fake woman.", "How is that an insanely huge ask?", "The original part of the conversation they were saying that a man dressing as a woman is funny, regardless of what they're doing. Just the act itself. Then it suddenly changed to \"if they're doing something funny\" which wasn't the criteria.", "That is a huge ask? How? Its literally the easiest thing to to, as it involves no effort on your part. Literally none. Or are you overwhelmed with remembering a persons new name and using she instead of he?", "> Then he goes on to explain the ridiculousness of Catelyn Jenner accepting the woman of the year award despite living the VAST majority of her life as a white male. Her struggle, while real and very valid, doesn't represent the struggles women face fighting sexism their whole lives.\n\nYou could have spent the time you took typing this to learn literally anything about trans people.", ">> Her struggle, while real and very valid, doesn't represent the struggles women face fighting sexism their whole lives.\n\nWell as you plainly know her struggles as a transwoman are not really the struggles of women. Transwomen aren't women, you see (and that definitely doesn't come with it's own baggage) so the TERFs are right and she isn't a real candidate for woman of the year. Transwomen definitely don't suffer from sexism at all, as evidenced by the fact that Abbot didn't just issue a sexist law targeting them specifically. And if they did experience sexism, well then it's not the same type of sexism because transwomen are obviously not women.\n\nIt's really simple ~~and not at all bigoted~~ when you think about it.", "Thank you, you're good at this.", "🤡", "I think ~~Dave~~ George Carlin was smart enough to recognize that a gender minority on the internet doesn't have the same power as an extremely rich man who's clearly allowed to say whatever he wants with no consequences.", "Okay so he's anti-trans.", "Him saying that trans people are in \"blackface\" is an opinion, not speaking up for the community. Him saying the everyone else in the LGBT+ community just want the T to shut up so progress can happen is an opinion, not speaking up for the community. \n\nJokes are fine when they are actually jokes, when that line gets crossed is when they start being actually harmful.\n\nThose jokes about trans pussy being \"beyond pussy\" sure, it's in poor taste but it's not spreading harmful rhetoric. That's a joke, it's a kind of crappy one imo. \n\nYou, the audience, doesn't get to pick and choose what is and isn't meant to be a joke. What is and isn't satire. Especially when those jokes are actively demeaning. You don't get to go \"oh he didn't mean it that way, it was a joke, calm down.\" Because congratulations, you just fell for step one in the playbook of white nationalism.\n\nWe, the audience and more specifically the queer audience, get just as much right to pick apart every single word of his specials and point out hateful rhetoric as he has a right to go up on that stage. It's a two way street.", "Do you care about the details of the beliefs he discussed in the special, or is it more important to focus on a word reviled as a slur that he played around with frivolously?\n\nIf Chapelle quipped about being a white nationalist all while advocating for the rights of black people and the equality of all races, then why does the label matter if the shoe doesn't fit?", "It's funny how far removed you are from what OP is saying that you're actually proving their point. \nThe point is literally that the guy killed someone and got away without any consequences, but you say something offensive and you're swimming in consequences. That's a bit of a fucked up reality in which we put more value in what people are saying rather than what they're doing. \n\n\nWhat ever happened to \"Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?\" \n\n\n(Just so I'm not misunderstood here - I'm not saying people shouldn't suffer consequences for what they say. I'm just saying let's look more at what they do and push them to do the right things rather than just say the right words)", "Dumbest comparison ever.", "The fact you called him Dave Carlin says it all.", "Exactly. It's frankly gross he's dragging his dead friend into this when she can't explain herself and did not give permission to him to keep her from resting in peace. He's making her death all about him, to score points. Using her as a shield for criticism", "I'm very high and distracted and I have ADHD sorry I was reading your comment and typing please don't dismiss my entire point because I wrote a name wrong that's pretty cringe", "Okay, so he’s not a TERF, just a transphobe. What’s your point?", "People who think shock content went out in then 80s are just not paying attention to all the forms of media. \n\nWhat do people think all these YouTube, Instagram, and Tiktok people have been doing? There's always someone trying to make people uncomfortable and always an audience who likes it apparently.", "This 1989 interview is so insanely prescient and predictive to all the shit we endure today it’s hard to realize he’s not talking from the modern day. Absolute genius.\n\nhttps://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/001-george-carlin-1989/id1477111579?i=1000447276037", "Thank you for proving my point.", "I love George to death", "Dave Chappelle is a man first. And he's threatened by anything that he feels threatens the advantages he has as a man.\n\nHe is black second. He mostly brings up his black identity as a cover and to gain sympathy for when he takes shots at women, trans people, gay people, etc. It's been a bit of a free pass for him until recently. He knows that liberal folks don't want to call him out on the awful and misogynistic shit he has said. \n\nHe's very, very talented. I would argue he's the most skilled of this generation of comedians, but he seems to be using his power more and more to protect his position as a man and I think that's a damn shame. He could have a very positive impact, but he's increasingly having a negative one. \n\nAlso, someone who is that good at what they do...it's hard not to become arrogant and he seems pretty stuck in his own ego. I don't see any reason why he's ever going to look at that.", "Believing in biological sex isn't being a member of a hate group.\n\nThe whole world isn't obligated to a participate in the treatment of a miniscule number of people who have gender dysmorphia.", "Show me where in any real definition of feminism it specifically excludes men.", "> My issue with this is it is rewriting history.\n\nThis is a non-argument. The same reasoning could make the argument that black people shouldn't be seen as human because \"historically they haven't been in the past\". \n\nIt's meaningless. Like yeah, our understanding of the world changes as time goes on and society advances. The central aspect of science is literally updating models when new information/understanding is gained. It's not a list of unchanging fact. \n\n> their plight has been set to the side unlike other parts of the LGBTQ+ community\n\n??? There's pretty general acceptance for intersex people, certainly to more of an extent than trans people, that's a crazy claim to make.\n\nIn the 2016 Olympics, all 3 medalist of the women's 800 meter dash were intersex. That would still be headline news if they were trans women, but intersex women are pretty integrated with society. They certainly face issues with the medical system I'm sure, but so do trans people. \n\nIn fact the existence of intersex people is literal proof that gender and sex are not synonymous. There's no universal sex trait that \"women\" have that exhaustively excludes every trans woman while including every cis woman.", "And Eddie Murphy didn't cry that he couldn't say those things anymore. He admitted that they aren't good these days. He said those feelings came from a place of pain/anger. And I can respect that humbleness.", "He was a philosopher masquerading as a comedian, and using his medium to just express ideas he's been thinking on, for our amusement.", "Thanks, that was better put than anything I could, or have said. And that line, in particular, is vexxing to me in many ways. On its own, it sounds great. But as a part of the body of the show with everything else, it just didn't feel genuine. It feels like he has one arm around my shoulder being supportive, and the other punching me in the gut over and over. Unfortuantely, the part that feels like getting punched over and over sticks around a lot more than the arm around the shoulder. \n\n\nI think regardless of what community he or anyone else could be talking about, if those people keep telling you what you're saying is hurting them, then as humans, they deserve to be taken seriously. And maybe he did because he said he's done with gay and trans jokes until we are all laughing at them together. So maybe all of this discussion the last couple weeks did resonate with him. Now, the challenge is for people that did feel hurt to be willing to speak up about, and try, in ways more effective than I have, convey why it's not funny to take shots at people that are all too often already struggling.", ">For him to say the trans-community is bullying him, makes zero sense. Has he lost his job? Has he lost his life? Has he lost his core fans? \n\nThis is clearly the goal, are you not considering it bullying because he's not Alex jonesed yet? And when did losing your job or committing suicide be the starting definition of bullying?", "So is comparing trans people to men dressing up as women and saying they're intrinsically funny. Or defending such behavior. And yet here you are.", "And he also talked about how it was wrong to make Caitlyn Jenner \"woman of the year\" among other things, to reinforce his idea that trans women aren't women.\n\nBeing nice to a friend who happens to be a member of a minority group doesn't mean you are an ally for that group, or even neutral about them.", " The problem is people conveniently yell \"censorship!\" when they are really just being an asshole andusing it as an excuse for their actual prejudicial views. And on the opposite end of the spectrum you have people who are sensitive where nothing can be a joke or is taken with mal intent when it's clearly not. \n\nYou want a prime example of someone who has offensive jokes yet it is obvious it's all humor, Anthony Jeslenik. \n\nChapelle has kind of gone of the way of Joe Roganesk shock jock type humor. He can still be funny, but some if it is just him being an ass. It's apparent too when you look back on Chapelle show. The first episode is all about homophobia.", "No, if they’re being funny. Blackface isn’t intrinsically funny but a guy in a dress is intrinsically funny.", "Delirious opens with a bit where he is pretty liberal with homophobic slurs, which isn't great, but he immediately follows up the bit saying that he's just fucking with them and you shouldn't alienate gay people and it's cool to hang out with them.", "So not letting someone use a public bathroom that people of their phenotype have never been able to use is 'exposing them to violence', huh? \n\n\nYou think maybe claiming that every trans issue is a matter of life and death might be getting a little tired? Might just be a way to silence any criticism?", "Carlin was anti-stupid. No matter what side of the isle it called on.", "Yea OP doesn’t know what is talking about", "oh well if it's not funny to pmurph2112 then it can't possibly be funny to anyone else", "i think dave also made a point that when its trans people who are white, they shift from being trans to being white and then privilege and racism against the black man.\n\ni thought he was full of shit, but it seemed to be a point he was making", "And you completely take the bait on that remark.", "A man dressing up as a woman is intrinsically funny. Trans people are not intrinsically funny. I don’t think that’s rude", ">I'm not the one you replied to, but I absolutely do not believe those are different things.\n\nThey are.\n\nBiological Sex is your dna, chromosomes, genitals, uterus ect. Though some can be born intersex\n\nGender is the role your cultural group expects you to play within that group based primarily on biological sex. Those expectations change from culture to culture. Which is why it is a social construct. The only thing determining those \"gender roles\" is Social norms.\n\nFor example: A male(biological sex) is considered a Man(gender) under X conditions (age or some sort of rite of passage, ect)and is expected to father children, be the protector, be the primary income earner, is expected to run the household, wear these specific clothes, is the primary way in which generational wealth is passed along, etc.\n\nWell not everyone born biologically male isn't going to want to fit the expectations for what a \"Man\" is \"supposed to be\". Maybe some males much prefer their cultures exeptations of what a \"Woman\" is \"supposed to be\".", "I watched it when it came out. What's the next excuse to invalidate my opinion?", "I actually think Raw is better? Not because it's more progressive; it's just that so much time in Delirious is dedicated to impressions. Granted, Eddie is great at them but it's like half the special.", "I agree that Trump is human garbage and you inspired me to give him the hugz award. Thank you!", "Unless you're using it completely as a snarl word, Carlin was as \"woke\" as they come.", "I think Carlin understands that there are repercussions to what you say too though.", "Yes, trans people who have such notable powers as:\n\n* being killed because somebody panicked when they didn't see the genitalia they prefer\n\n* having to pay absurd sums of money to just be comfortable in the body they were born in\n\n* having to worry about whether they can take a shit in a public bathroom without getting accused of being a pervert, getting harassed, or worse\n\n* having higher rates of depression, suicidality, and other mental comorbidities until they get the treatment(s) they need\n\nYou see, the thing is, most people recognize when another person is being shitty to a person (or group of people) who absolutely don't deserve it and the pushback you see when you shit talk trans people on reddit is just the majority of people letting the person know that what they said is a shitty thing. If trans people confuse you, squick you out, or otherwise bother you by their mere existence, that's valid (I'd prefer you weren't, but it's valid) and you don't have to associate with them. However, if you're in that camp, don't be a dick about it, keep your head down, vent to people close to you, and maybe talk to a counselor about what's causing that reaction (and this goes for everyone, go get counseling it's good for you).", "Nah, it's not. Gender is a social construct - [and so is sex, actually.](https://twitter.com/sciencevet2/status/1035246030500061184?lang=en) But even if you don't agree with this thread - they're not asking for you to disregard their sex, they're just asking you to respond their gender identity as more important. Why is it important that you call people you see as male \"him\" instead of whatever pronoun they identify with. What about intersex people? What about trans people that pass, are trans men tricking you into calling them \"him\"?\n\n\"Demanding\" is mask-off - you're the aggressive one, not them. People just say \"these are my pronouns, please use them\" and that's asking too much.\n\n[And no, it's agreed upon.](https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/8wh5qs/my_master_list_of_trans_health_citations_in/) The WHO, among many other organizations, agree that trans identity is valid. Who is on the other side?", "I've been on a big 80s/90s SNL kick lately, and there's way more x-phobic and racist material than I remembered. In the first Wayne's World sketch, Wayne calls Garth's dad a fag. Even the It's Pat sketches, which were very popular at the time, are kind of tough to watch now. And Dana Carvey as a Chinese pet shop owner. Eeesh.", "I'm an enlightened being.\n\nNow you say it.\n\nSay I'm an enlightened being. Call me 'your eminence.' That is my internal reality, which I can't control.\n\nYou won't say it? Pff. Bigot.", "I'm not defending them 'because they need me to' lol. Imagine being so stuck in an us-vs-them mentality you can't conceive that people could agree with other people on principle.", "> trans women are women\n\nWhat does that mean?\n\nIf trans women are women.. why even have a word for \"trans women\"? Obviously trans women would get different treatment at a hospital/doctor than a biological woman. Does that mean trans women are not women? But if someone says they identify as a woman, i wouldn't upset them by referring to them by the wrong pronouns. I respect that someones personality can be more in line with the cultural norms associated with the opposite gender. Does that mean I believe trans women are women?", "> I hate to break it to you but most people don’t believe that gender is a social construct\n\nMost people could believe 2+2=5, that doesn't make it right. This isn't an opinion. \n\n> My female dog isn’t female because of the societal impacts.\n\nRight, because dogs don't have gender...\n\n> we’re not allowed to have that opinion\n\nWell you're seen as bigoted when you express that \"opinion\" because it isn't an opinion. It's a factually wrong statement. So you can only be either ignorant or malicious. And even if you're only ignorant, people who say these things tend to not be interested in being educated.", "Ok. But why? \n\nEdit: I don't want to come off as a dick or that I am leading you into some stupid argument. I'll respect whatever you feel like responding or not, but I am interested in understanding the why part.", "I cannot comprehend what you are trying to say… I apologize. Can you reword that?", "exactly lol, there's a reason why every thread brings up how she was apparently bullied to the point of suicide by the trans community. Yeah, Dave didn't say \"this is 100% the reason,\" but he presented the statements in a way to make the average listener come to that conclusion", "The thing is that joke is a play on words and homosexuals aren't victims of it, it's not making any sort of statement in that regard and using the N word is not inherently offensive.", "walk like a duck, talks like a duck, calls himself a duck. What is he?", "when you control most large social media platforms its not punching down", "Why? Why mock someone over a clothing choice that harms no one?", "I don’t remember him saying that the harassment lead directly to her death. I only remember him saying that she got shit for defending him at the time in like August of 2019.", "Absolutely.", "The trans jokes were very funny, and I hope he does more", "It's the same way how he leaves out that DaBaby shot that guy out of self defense. And that happened way before his meteoric rise in 2019.", "Is it really \"punching down\" if criticizing a group or movement can get you fired from most jobs, removed from the public square, and in some cases prosecuted? I think it's important to evaluate the ways we define social power, especially in an age where perceived victimhood is easily leveraged as a form of social currency. The amount of public support both in the corporate world and in our politics for practically all left-wing identity-based causes is overwhelming.", "If you think transgenderism is exclusively a modern issue, then I don't know what to say. Adherence to the dominant gender roles you are assigned at birth is one of the oldest ways we have divided people into groups.", "He misgendered his dead friend?", "He said hes Trans EXCUSIONARY because he excludes transwomen from being women and hes feminist because he googled the definition.\n\nYoure going through mental gymnastics. Its not that hard. 1 + 1", "And you think Dave didn't connect those two ideas at all in his special???", "Anyone agreeing with this is unable to think critically or didn't watch the special. Carlin is always right and he's right here about Dice however it's absolutely not the same thing Dave has been doing. Dice was just absurd to be absurd. Dave rationally explained his position and he had much sympathy to the discussion but also pointed out the privilege that is being used in the movement. It was a very thoughtful discussion.", "What is 31 years ago and in the 90's? 1990, the time when this was taped.", "That’s dumb. If someone died from 45 stab wounds, I can be pretty sure none of them helped their survival rate.", "Exactly. Most don't even know who he was talking about at the time and if they did actually go watch Dice they would see it's not anything at all near the same context. This is really stupid and not helping the trans people's cause.", "It's just ridiculous people don't even bother fully trying to understand the main point of the special and blindly jump on the social justice bandwagon. A complete disregard of DC's trans friend who committed suicide because of their own emotionally charged actions and go as far as using it against him saying \"o he just made a 1+hour special crying about people he doesn't like and his friend who killed herself bc of them lul.\" At least do the bare minimum and watch it yourselves before spewing hate on a brilliant man who put in so much effort to get his points across.", "There's a lot of negativity around Hannah Gadsby at the moment for not \"being funny\", but neither was Bill Hicks.\n\nBoth speak their truth, but of the two I've laughed more with Gadsby.", "The entire transcript of The Closer is here. \n\nhttps://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/dave-chappelle-the-closer-transcript/\n\nFeel free to cite and share the specific transphobic comments or jokes in context. \n\nThen we can all get on the same page. If you can find language where he expresses hate real hate not could be hate, I will condemn it.", "I think the entire reason for having women's leagues, is that women are not as good at sports as men. For example women are allowed to play in the NFL, MLB, NBA, but i don't think any are qualified to do so. I cant imagine its for a lack of interest given how lucrative it would be.", "By my math that would put you in your late 40s early 50s. Surprised you have time to get together with the old college roommates to watch dice.", "I’m not saying it can’t be funny to anyone else. The person I responded to said “that idea is intrinsically funny to any given human”. I am any given human, and it’s not funny. It’s not intrinsic to laugh at a specific thing, comedy isn’t a natural instinct.", "That’s what I was wondering. Lol I figured maybe I misremember the whole thing? I don’t remember him blaming anybody for her suicide. I just remember him mentioning that Twitter came after her when she defended him", "Ashlee Marie Preston has shown up to turn things around as the spokesperson. \n\nAnnnnnnd Ashlee Marie Preston has left the chat. Lol", "That’s not what was said dipshit", "I’m not saying it can’t be funny to anyone else. The person I responded to said “that idea is intrinsically funny to any given human”. I am any given human, and it’s not funny. It’s not intrinsic to laugh at a specific thing, comedy isn’t a natural instinct.", "Yeah, but he didn't punch down.", "Bark some more, little doggy.", "Maybe you're right. I definitely remember the JFK stuff, which I think he believed, and there was some stuff about WACO too.\n\nI havent watched much of Hicks for a decade now so I don't remember everything.\n\nSure he didn't like the right wing, which Rogan is grifting now, but they'd find some common ground on drugs and censorship and being anti government.", "comparing Chapelle to Dice Clay is like comparing Mozart to The Offspring", "Hahahahahahaha", "This is literally the point of his special. his stance is that LGBTQ+ leapfrogged being black on the oppressed list. \n\n“I can’t help but feel like if slaves had baby oil and booty shorts, we might have been free a hundred years sooner.”\n\nThe point of the special is that despite slavery, Jim Crow, segregation and Police brutality, blacks are still less than, in the “woke” movement.", "You are demanding that I radically redefine fundamental aspects of identity and describe the world with my own mouth as though I accept these radical new definitions. \n\n\nI'm 6' 10\". Now you, tell me I'm 6'10\". It's not a big ask. Say it. Say I'm 6'10\". You're a bigot if you won't tell me I'm 6'10\".", "Eddie at least followed up his opening bit by saying he was just fucking with gay people. And then said you shouldn't alienate them and that it was cool to hang out with them.", "Literally ten years ago popular sitcoms were using \"haha straight guy doesn't know he's hitting on a trans woman\" as a punchline.", "Only so far as he is pro women.", "ITT: People who did not watch Chapelle's special. He specifically talked about this, starting with asking the audience if it was at all possible for a gay person to be racist and ending with the fact that empathy goes both ways and he will not do another joke about LBGT community until he was sure they'd be laughing together. Watch Chapelle's shit from beginning to end before speaking on it.", "i agree, but we are all rooting for you to overcome.", "Calling trans women men is not a joke.", "Bill Murry?", "Since \"black face\" changed meanings from minstrel blackface to simply dressing as a black person (or, in Justin Trudeau's case, as a bizarrely dark Arab), it's quite difficult to even figure out what anyone's talking about these days.\n\nBut I have witnessed a women-in-tech forum w/ about five people on stage, four of them CIS women, where the one trans-woman who worked his (her?) way up to C level as a giant tall deep-voiced aggressive man literally talked half the time (and over other people) about all the difficulties they encountered over their long career. It's not hateful of trans people to mention that there's a strong similarity between such types and Rachel Dolezal.\n\nThat's not \"trans people are blackface.\" It's \"you didn't inherit all the problems of women by transitioning.\" Though of course a trans-person can have all sorts of other* new problems.", "Comparing transitioning to blackface is not an offensive phrase? Like that shit's pretty ignorant and he sounded like he meant it.", ">Bill maher is not left ~~enough~~\n\nFTFY. No Islamophobe, especially one who supports \"bombing the shit outta X or Y country\" is anywhere near left, I don't care what other position he holds.", "IMO his whole act is a shtick.", "There's also some stuff about AIDS which is a bit ugh but you could put that down to the fact it was 1983 and no one knew anything about it. The part with \"what if your woman kisses a faggot and brings home AIDS on her lips...\"", "Go run for national office as an open atheist.", "How you feel has nothing to do with how society responds to you. If I feel black enough do you think I'll get a pass at saying the N-word? Of course not.\n\nSo why would you even try to marginalize women's struggles by saying trans-women have been women their whole lives and therefore have suffered as such. \n\nCatelyn Jenner used to walk and talk around the world as a white male and the world treated him as such. His feelings about himself have no impact on that untill he identified as a woman.", "I haven't seen anyone blaming Dave for her death, I have only seen people say he is wildly misrepresenting why she killed herself.", "But Joe Rogan and Joey Diaz tell me ADC is like the godfather of comedy so he must be awesome, right? /s", "Yep, the olde AToP.", "Because that's what's at the center of the entire Dave Chapel controversy I would guess?", "Thank you, this is kind of what I was curious about but wasn't articulate enough to ask without sounding like a rude jackass. The sociological/psychological aspects of it are endlessly fascinating to me. I'm glad we live in a time where people are more empowered to be themselves.", "He was a left libertarian. Rogan is more right libertarian maybe, but Hicks liked promoting conspiracy theories and evangelizing drugs too.", "I bet you feel really smart waving around a meaningless criticism that was part of the first wave of discourse about this subject. Really great at busting out those original thoughts and meaningful arguments, aren't you?", "Nope. Not an equivalent event. Chapelle is talking about power and who has it and why. Chapelle didn’t, hasn’t and won’t “punch down.” What he’s saying is extremely important and I am 1000% in support of trans people and trans rights. This shit about Chapelle has NOTHING to do with trans rights or protection of trans people. It’s about whose ox is being gored.", "Nice strawman you have there.\n\nIf that's all you have, it will be just a waste of time to discuss further", "I am speechless. i have watched some Carlin videos that get posted on here (reddit) from time to time, but this one is a masterpiece, put it simple, that man was a genius as others said.\n\nThank you for posting this one, I will for sure revisit it, there is just so much in that speech.", "I think the thing is it's not that the transgender community is actually powerful.\n\nWhat's happened is that there's been a rapid and evolving shift in corporations and political bodies were they have decided that appearing to be 'woke' is the right financial move. Consider the amount of corporations that will do shit like turning their logos into rainbow colours for Pride Month and then go back to normal. They'll say 'Gay Pride!' whilst doing business with countries where homosexuality is still illegal.\n\nDon't get me wrong, I'd rather they pay lip service than ignore us, but I don't think this has translated into actual political power just yet. There's been a push, sure, but there's still a fight going on.\n\nI think a part of the speed of the change though can be attributed to momentum, snowballing off the push for Gay Marriage and I think a growing paradigm about recognising minorities.", "We sure could use more people in the mainstream with his temperament and rational.", "You’re leaving out the “but…..” part. He should have the right to do those jokes, BUT……he really shouldn’t be. He SHOULDNT be ripping on marginalized people, he should be ripping on those in power. He believed in ethics, not punching marginalized people who are already facing difficulties simply existing. \n\nChappell chose to attack a group of people who don’t have political influence who represent less than 1% of the population, exact numbers aren’t definite. He could have attacked those in power, he didn’t. He could have attacked the SIZE-ABLE group of people WITH political influence and power. \n\nNope, because he was playing to an audience. Seeking to appeal TO that sizeable group who despise trans people. He went from making fun of racist stereotypes and the racists in power to an already vulnerable group of people. Class……\n\nThis video is still relevant today. https://youtu.be/yGLzpt3caHw", "!remindme 8 days heroic sticker message", "Fair, and I agree Carlin's talking point is still valid, I just don't think it applies to Chappelle in this particular instance. Chappelle isn't picking on trans people in his bits, at least not any more than he does white people or even black people in his other comedy, and he's certainly not appealing to people in his audience who are threatened against the existence of trans people like Carlin is saying Clay did in his comedy. There's no 'sharing of anger and rage' against the trans community in Dave's bits. The first time Chappelle spoke on the matter in one of his specials he was criticizing a particular portion of the trans community that insist on dictating and controlling other people's use of language (pronouns) during social interactions as a means of validating their identity (I'm not arguing in favor or against pronouns, just stating the facts of the bit as Chappelle presented them). Every time after that bit that he has spoken on this matter has been in response to the criticism he's received for that first bit, even in this last special. He even ended his last special by saying \"empathy must go both ways,\" a sentiment that one would never hear from Clay. Chappelle is making an argument in his comedy, sure, and you may or may not agree with his points. But he's not spewing vitriol or exuding a false sense of superiority over the trans community, and that is what Carlin is talking about in the video.", "...you're not what?", "Which is funny because there’s a rumor that him and Johnny Gil have a secret relationship", "Nice. I honestly wish nothing but the best for the trans community happiness and equality but I just can’t agree with them on this particular point.", "And this is why trans people still get misgendered and deadnamed months to years after changing it legally? Or why any time a conservative has governmental power they sign bills that hurt trans people?\n\nI don’t know what “political power” you’re talking about, but I promise you they’re still pretty damn marginalized.", "Sweet liberal chin music.", "honestly, do you think that is a good analogy?", "An angel wouldn’t call you a massive twat, but here we are, you massive twat", "Terfs are a well known hate group who literally ally with far right hate groups yo dont be dense \n\n\nAnd terfs named themselves back at camp trans", "Have you considered perhaps that criticism is not cancel culture?", "Don't stop, Get it,get it....\n\n2 live 4 eva", "Pretty much all these idiots who idolize the Joker, Tyler Durden, etc.\n\nThey're too emotionally immature to realize that these people were the bad guys.", "Therein lies one of the issues I suppose, these fragile folk truly can't tell the difference between thoughtful criticism of the things they like and authoritarian action. \n\nThank you for your wonderful write-up.\n\nPs. Get dunked on u/mikimao lmao", "For later", ">only people willing to support Dave financially now is the CEO of Netflix \n\nI wish I had that support...$40 million? lol what a joke.\n\n>This group is a threat to his career \n\nDave will be just fine I can assure you. Dude went away for 10 years and came back.", "> This man took over a decade off, away from the spotlight, in part because he felt like some of his work on Chappelle's Show was being enjoyed by racists and he didn't like that.\n\nChappelle didn't stop making black jokes, his problem with his show was that the most popular things on it, and the main focus, were on the black jokes (also, the main reason why he left his show was that he felt he was being cheated by Comedy Central) . The people who only focus on the trans jokes seem to ignore the fact that in a special titled \"The Closer\", his closing statement was about his friend, who, when told by Dave Chappelle that he would never understand her, responds with \"I don't need you to understand it [her being trans], I just need you to respect my human experience.\" Dave tells his audience that regardless of his viewpoints, he realizes that his friend, and by extension, trans people every where, deserve to be treated with respect and recognition as people just as much as anybody else.", "This is a really good breakdown if you're actually interested. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/oIuUtCd-D7Q", "Speaking of sidestepping, you just avoid answering altogether eh? Sad", "2 Live Crew was not doing it for the shock. A lot of rap songs echo that same vibe. They are just the ones caught in the cross hairs of white Americans.", "Only because he believed all US political parties were right wing fascists", "How many black people are in Congress? How many transgender people are in Congress?", "If you truly watched it in full which I highly doubt and still can't decipher what the man's trying to tell you throughout the 1+hour special, you're a lost cause.", "And these other guys are arguing there's no evidence of harassment. So, is there evidence? Because if not, there's no justification for insinuating that (non-existent) harassment didn't help her mental state.", "Trump rallys were really brass. He barely talks policy and doesn't go into detail when he does. He's mostly talking shit about people and calling names.", "Many do not realize is that Andrew Dice Clay's act was just that: an act. He was a fictional character. He's quite the opposite of the character. \n\nAnd that this time, ADC was filling Madison Square Gardens while top talents like GC were playing clubs. Sure, Carlin played stadiums once and a while but not the way Clay did. Clay only played stadiums for a while. So I am going out on a limb and saying there was a hint of jealousy here.", "You are probably right. But whether they want to appear woke or truly care about equality the end result is that the trans community is a force to be reckoned with politically.", "indeed \n\n\nPro Life also fire bomb nurses \n\n\nSome companies have Federal in the name but aren't federal at all \n\n\nHate groups lie", "The person you replied to is a joke. Like, think of all the black congressmen/women and senators right now and since 1865, a SCOTUS Justice, a president. How many trans are there? THATS power, not this “cancel culture” myth. These people want all the positives of freedom AND freedom from consequences.", "That would Mikimao", "Dave is a black man from a black community that he understands the nuance, and feels the violence when it lands on him and his community.\n\nHe does not have any of that experience or empathy for the Trans community. \n\nSame reason Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David make hilarious, scathing, but considerate jokes about Jewish communities, but anyone else doing them would land flat at best and end careers at worst.", "During his final years he was pretty much anti-everybody. He made it perfectly clear that he thought humanity was doomed, and he didn't care.", "Yep, made the right choice ignoring this douche growing up.", "What if biological women are just uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with a biological man? Are they not entitled to feel that way?\n\nEdit: thx for your opinions all, I was just posing the question, don't really feel one way or the other on this. live and let live", "> Misgendering a trans person is the same level of comedy as saying the N word.\n\nThat is pretty much a comparison, even if it is a specific one. \nAnd no, even in that single case it doesnt hold true.", "we dont need you to agree \n\n\nyoure just wrong", "Hold on sonny, straight man growing up in that era, we found him offensive and unfunny then. And I'm glad that is no longer acceptable", "That all makes sense aside from proclaiming himself a TERF... Or maybe it doesn that's the easiest way to role up the LGBTQ community. It creates a perception that any LGBTQ joke is punching down. It's also in direct opposition to the existence of his friend who committed suicide. Which is why it's still a weird thing to say in all of that context.", "Christ I was 11 when I first saw an Andrew Dice Clay special. It should have been the kind of humor that would have been right up my alley as a dipshit kid with an underdeveloped sense of humor, but even then I thought it was shit.", "Height is not a construct, gender is.\n\nAn easy question: How do you perceive someones gender? Do you check their DNA? Or do you base that off on looks and behavior? \n\nIts far from radical to just accept something that shouldnt matter to YOU anyways. Or do you treat men and women differently? I hope not. \nThere is nothing radical about using a different name and a different set of pronouns - thats all there is to accepting trans people. \n\nI really have trouble wrapping my head around peoples need to be a dick to others for no reason at all. If you actually cared about me saying youre 6f10, sure, why wouldnt I say that? You obviously dont and just use this as a gotcha-argument.", "he was talking about gay people and said this:\n\n“I was ready and then right when you think we would fight, guess what he did? He picked up his phone and he called the police. And this, this thing I am describing is a major issue that I have with that community. Gay people are minorities, until they need to be White again.”\n\nalso:\n“I’ve been arguing with the Whites my entire career. Just when I thought I had you guys on the ropes you changed all the rules. “Oh yeah?” – Yeah, motherfucker! – “Well.” I am a girl now, ngger. You must treat me as such.”", "I'm demanding the entire world participate in my internal revelation for which I can provide zero material proof of its legitimacy.", "okay yeah it's not intrinsically funny if you are on the spectrum and don't understand a basic construct of comedy (subverting expectations)\n\nsome people man, you're either a dense motherfucker or have never had the chance to parade around in women's clothes before", "Nice analysis, but you forgot a couple things. It’s just jokes and it’s just a dude on a stage", "Okay but have you ever thought about delving deeper into your reason for why \"women are not as good at sports as men\"?\n\nIt's legitimately as simple as understanding that people that grew up, maintained, and trained with testosterone have a hormonal advantage that gives them a higher possible ability at excelling in athletics. It's why women's leagues have a high rate of testosterone doping in order to give them that competitive advantage as it's not as moderated as steroidal usage.", "Was the actual air date listed? Even 1990 is more 80s than 90s anyways because like nothing just happens so the interview and his thoughts were on events in the 80s even if the interview was 1990. I’m just saying there are more sneaky closer to the truth ways to word it and still age up how this is a cyclic issue that is a non issue as it’s just people getting offended and the current Carlin, Gervais, will likely be snooty about comedy as an art form and being also “above that type of comedy” in the same way how Carlin corrected the we removing king from being amongst the group of people who would find such callous humor funny.", "She's a woman now dealing with women problems. Before she* was a functionally a he dealing with male problems. \n\nI don't care how you really \"feel\" about yourself, if you present yourself to the world as a male, they will treat you like such until you come out and say \"I'm a her\".\n\nThat's not transphobic that's just life. If I call out \"Sup bro\" to someone who is trans and hasn't transitioned yet how is that transphobic??", "The word isn't being changed to \"win epistemological arguments\". If anything it is being done to reflect our knowledge and understanding of what the words mean in broader societal discussion. And that is exactly the purpose of definitions.", "Try that in an office building or government building and you will see yourself unemployed, on unpaid leave, or in the dog house at the very least.", "Dave's trying to make it sound like comedians are an oppressed minority of people. And it's not far off if you think about how he viewed Daphne more as a comedian than a trans person. Or he's believes that the online mob are harming his people...which are rich comedians like Kevin Hart? \n\nBeing a comedian is not being a modern day philosopher who risks their life by telling jokes. That is just wild ego trip shit.", "Spoken like someone that has absolutely zero grasp on the nuances between nature vs nurture.\n\nSo, are you accusing people that perform a gender different from their sex, without going through reassignment surgery, to be charlatans? A man that wants to present a woman gender but doesn't want to have their genitalia removed is a poser to you? Women who choose to present as masculine but doesn't get double mastecomies are some how not LGBTQ? \n\nWow, how harmfully exclusive and intolerant of you.", ">So not letting someone use a public bathroom that people of their phenotype have never been able to use is 'exposing them to violence', huh? \n\nYes. Literally. The rate at which trans people suffer from harassment or assault increases significantly when they are forced into the wrong bathroom. \n\nKinda getting the feeling you don't care, though. Seems like you're kinda invested in this idea that trans people are dramatically overstating their problems to shut other people up. I don't know how this fits with the _astonishing_ suicide rate trans people have, but I get the feeling that that's another thing you've decided not to care about.", "I think that you're off base with regards to a minority with perceived power being a new thing in the popular consciousness. Remember, the crux of Carlin's argument is that the white male audience of Andrew Dice Clay laughed at his jokes because the punchlines were aimed at groups that they saw as threatening to them in some way. The fact that this clip is from 1990, when women were moving into corporate spaces more than ever before, seems to suggest that many people in Andrew Clay's audience probably would have felt that women had some sort of disproportionate power, as wrong as that thought would have actually been.", "It's OK, I assumed I would be downvoted for asking. It's understandable because so many people ask questions in bad faith on here just to be jerks. I have had a few trans friends or co-workers previously, but it isn't something I'd ever feel comfortable asking them about for fear of making them feel like they don't belong and it's kind of rude.", "Hickory dickory dock….", "No argument could be meaningful when one of the participants has no first hand knowledge of the subject", "I was only bummed because it wasn’t funny.", "Andrew Dice Clay is like a comedian that Tony Soprano and Christopher Moltisanti would think is hilarious.", "Yeah no. This is Andrew Dice Clay he’s taking about. Comparing Dice’s act to “the Chappelle situation” is completely off. Dice punched down. Chappelle is discussing the entire situation and isn’t punching up or down.", "Bill isn't forgotten everybody keeps stealing his jokes.", "\\>\"Demanding\" is mask-off - you're the aggressive one, not them. \n\n\nOh I'm sorry, am I calling people bigots for disagreeing with me?", "1. Dave has always made fun of the underdog. Chappelle's Show was essentially every racist teenage white boy's ( Me at the time embarrassingly enough.) wet dream of racist black jokes.\n2. I dont think there is anything wrong with ALSO making fun of udnerdogs. No matter what race or class you are, we are all capable of being asshole/terrible people. There are just as many assholes who are rich/white compared to poor/minority. Infact one of the worst types of assholes are the ones who are also victims, essentually justiffying their terrible behavior. It's real easy pointing the finger and the upper class/whites and say there are the only people capable of being evil in this country. But as someone who grew up in San Bernardino, that is so far from true. I think everyone deserves to be made fun of. You need to be able to laugh at yourself in order to justify laughing at others.", "JANET, YOU IGNORANT SLUT.", "Words rise up", "None of these people watched any of his specials, as he points out. They all just regurgitate the same lies they heard from other alphabet folx. \n\nIt would almost be funny if it wasn't so fucking sad.", "This isn’t comedy. Vulnerable people aren’t targets, they deserve help.", "I guess you missed Chris Rock's Black people vs. N-words bit where he said he wanted to join the KKK. Context is KING", "This is fucking amazing", "First couple of seasons of Southpark were pretty much shock content too.", "well said and agreed", "Does that not fall under harassment if the reason she lost them was due to her being trans?", "Did you bullshit last week? ... Did you try to bullshit last week?", "Really, the amount of fanboys who think Dave is some sort of comedic Socrates is hilarious. \n\nDude literally admitted in the special, prefacing it with a “no I’m serious,” that he had to Google what a feminist was. And that he didn’t know men could be one. He’s a rich boomer with an outdated worldview whose doubled down because people on twitter hurt his feelings. That’s it.", "Yeah, that was pretty bad. But at the same time, it seemed to me that he was talking about it as something that could affect him too. Which would be a pretty big deal for a straight guy to acknowledge as it was mostly seen as a \"gay\" disease.", "Holy shit these comments...", "Okay so he's pro-women", "yup, he use to do personas blended into his standup. This is the one that stuck and he just ran with it because the rest of his act was garbage.", "No, it’s just straight up not intrinsically funny. Nothing is “intrinsically funny”. I understand comedy is about subverting expectations, which is why I said in certain situations it can be funny. But the idea itself, a man in a dress, is no less absurd to me than a woman in pants. Therefore, the entire argument that a man in a dress is “intrinsically funny” falls apart. If you find a man in a dress funny no matter the context, cool that’s your prerogative. But that’s not how every single human sees it, therefore it’s not intrinsic.", "Yea his life will get easier if he'll just leave them alone right? If he stops making jokes about them?\n\nSounds a bit like bullies...", ">There is probably some truth to him having feelings that trans women don't really understand the plight modern women face seeing how they were men and get to lean on that.\n\nWhat the entire fuck are you talking about? That's not what TERF means. Being a TERF literally means that you believe that trans women should be excluded from the gains the feminist movement has made.\n\nFurthermore, who are these trans women who are \"leaning\" on their \"advantage\" of having been born biologically male? How are theu milking that \"advantage\" exactly?", "Because in today's world it's inconceivable that someone could hold opinions that overlap into both parties. Seems that everyone thinks you have to pick a side and fall in line with 100% of their platform.", "> The \"good ones\" stood up at Stonewall\n> \n> The \"bad ones\" harassed his friend and may have contributed to her suicide.\n\nTo correct you slightly here, He said the only good ones were the stonewall ones. Pretty much fuck everyone else.", "Does it really need to be explained to you that “Dice Clay”is a character…? He’s mocking the stereotypical Brooklyn Italian guy. That’s a major whoosh on you my guy…", "Watch the special. I promise you this is perfectly well explained.", "There's nothing wrong with making jokes about trans people. I thought the special was pretty funny, and he has no reason to apologize for making comedy, so I truly hope he doesn't.", "I think he very much was implying it, considering so much of the special is about how the trans community reacted to him and how they need to stop punching down on his people.\n\nI also saw lots of Chappelle defenders attack the trans community at large by saying they were the bad people who killed Daphne, that their community is going hog wild, that they are to blame for cancel culture, that they are the reason why Chappelle is good. It's a lot of bullshit and a lot of harm.", "He’s not a right wing talk show host, he supported Bernie in 2020. \n\nHe’s just a bro whose done some psychedelics and let’s crazies come on his show and use his platform to spew bullshit. These days he’s jumped the shark a bit and aligned himself with some next level idiots.", "But you have to admit - if your \"comedy\" falls flat if you remove the profanity or the laugh track - are you really funny?", " This thread is full of people who are out of touch, defending Chapelle being out of touch. It’s hilarious", "Funny enough, I have many gay friends and colleagues. I generally like most people, but we all agree that T’s are annoying.", "40 years ago, different time, different people, and entirely different circumstances = NOT Chappelle situation.", "The idea trans people hold real power is hilarious. If the trans community held so much power, how many presidents, Congressmen/women, Senators, and SCOTUS justices have been trans. They’re just trying to survive at this point lol.", "He is the one mocking a group of people who are frequently targeted by violent acts. I just can’t get with his argument here they somehow the trans community has all this power. His beef seems to be people into be comments complaining.", "Of course, the big difference 50 years makes is that now it's the left on attack, instead of the right. Not to be overlooked...", "Lmao. That’s actually a hilarious joke. I must have missed it in all the other comedy gold of that special.\n\nGotta admit too, I totally see the points he’s making. Dave is such a wonderfully skilled comedian.", "Joe Piscipo has entered the chat.", "What he's describing is really not what Dave wants to be...", "Poor millionaire with one of the biggest platforms, how will he cope with criticism!", "Yeah it’s just shock comedy. The reason it’s funny is because nobody else would say something so offensive. He’d go all in attacking everyone from gays to Japanese to midgets. And yet the minorities he was hitting would still flock to his shows, because the fun wasn’t agreeing with his material but being shocked by it.\n\nNowadays it just doesn’t work. Back in the 80s, the only other way to enjoy comedy was to watch the super tame comedy TV programs where people couldn’t even swear. But now people see offensive material on a regular basis on social media or cable. It’s almost impossible for a comedian to be so offensive that it shocks people. \n\nThe irony is that “cancel culture” or whatever you wanna call it might actually bring back shock comedy. If it becomes verboten to offend certain minorities and comedians abandon that material for a period of time, eventually the shock value will return for the next comedian that does it. So in 2030, an Andrew Dice Clay type of act might be pretty popular.", "Im struggling to imagine what it means to exclude trans people from the idea that women should be equal. \n\nIf i think left handed people should be treated equally to right handed people.. It doesn't really matter what hand you throw better with, or what hand you identify as dominant, or what hand I think you are better at writing with.\n\nWhat's a scenario where a TERF would be fighting against gender equality for trans women?", "In the world of modern day comedians, Trans people are the most powerful people in the world.", "Comparing Andrew Dice Clay to Dave Chappelle is like comparing Gary Glitter to Michael Jackson. Clay's stage persona was an overcompensating, arrogant blowhard, and it was a shtick. Chappelle is brilliant, and, I think, totally honest in his presentation. The historical comparison isn't appropriate either. The \"underdogs\" that Carlin references are not suddenly dictating to the culture-at-large that it MUST alter its collective perception of reality itself, lest you be labelled a reprobate heretic, as well as the language we use to describe that reality, at the risk of total ruination. One need not be a bigoted x-phobe to feel reasonably resistant to ideas coming out of the transgender community. It is, for many people, an utterly bizarre and entirely new reality that has been thrust upon them almost out-of-the-blue, especially if you happen to be a Gen-X or older person, which Chappelle is. \n\n\nThe very fact that the transgender community seems to be expressing the notion that associated concepts are now sacred truths that can not be questioned, mocked, made light of, etc. is precisely what makes these ideas irresistible fodder for brilliant comedy.", "Literally a lower murder rate than the average.", "If you're good at something get paid for it.\n\n He started off at segment by saying he's rich and famous, he took a personal stance and showed a personal observation. He knew it was a current hot topic and one he has been pointing out for 3 multi-million $ specials.\n\nIf he was focusing only on the \"Cancel Culture\" this would have been the 1st time we would have heard his opinion on the \"T's\"", "I think Dice was and still is hilarious. Different strokes for different folks I guess. \n\nHer: “How they gonna know you fucked me?”\nDice: cums in her face “here’s your receipt. Oooh”\n\nStill cracks me up lol", "I agree they do deserve help. That doesn’t mean that this isn’t comedy?\n\nI also don’t feel like Dave attacking the trans community. In the same way I don’t feel like he attacking black Jewish Asian Mexican gay bi or any other community he makes jokes about", "Drivin and movin, sailin and spinin", "He agrees with what TERFs think.\n\nHe's a TERF.", "Historically ignorant comment of the year. Do you know anything about Stonewall and gay culture prior? They WERE outraged. They WERE pissed. Difference? GAY WAS A CRIMINAL OFFENSE! \n\nYou know why people are “so easily outraged” now? Because those communities have dealt with this shit for decades and decades, they’re done.", "There is no humpty Dumpty", "Being?", "Right? It's amazing how many people trash Dave or his special because they didn't like the things he said. They know they don't have to watch it right?", "1990 is definitely 90's as it is the actual number. https://www.cnn.com/videos/entertainment/2017/01/09/george-carlin-1990-larry-king-live-interview.cnn Also IDGAF who is offended at what, because humans and their beliefs are bullshit.", "What a load of total shit. Chapelle spoke about the elephant in the room and did it through humour, personal experience and ruthless honesty.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nI 100% support his bravery and that he's standing over his 'performance' which has shoved the whole topic into the public domain and exploded a fire storm of discussion.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFucking idiots are trying to cancel him because they don't like what they've heard. \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nFuck right off, get over yourselves. Idiots.", "And the people saying the second part haven’t watched the special at all and are commenting on it like they did", "I was 10 in 1983. No one knew anything about AIDS. So it's cringey but not particularly nasty.", "there is nothing wrong with making people uncomfortable. People are often uncomfortable when their ideas or norms are challenged. In my opinion it can be thought provoking and sometimes lead to change. If uncomfortable is not your thing - watch reruns of Leave It to Beaver.", "Yeah, Dave's some good friend that he didn't know she had a child and that she was suffering at all and didn't know she lost her job or a custody battle.", "This is not at all like Chappelle.When Carlin was saying this those groups really did have no power. \n\nPlus like what the fuck, what black people are gunna be treated worse? \n\nI swear each anti Chappelle post proves his point for him.\n\nThere's a reason people put the \"visible\" in front of minorities. It's not just there for fun. It's there to remind you it's a visual thing. One you can't hide or come out to your parents and friends about. One the cops don't know from your name or the sight of you. How the absolute fuck could it be the lgbtq who have it worse than black people in the USA?\n\nWhere's the gay ghetto in each city? Where are the gay parts of town that draw down on property values instead of up.\n\n#Where is the recognition that LGBTQ is about sexual rights and black history was about the most basic fucking necessities of life. Pretty sure black people would have been a lot fucking happier if it was just segregated sex they had to deal with \n\nLegit twilight level absurdity in today's discourse.", "George Carlin was a fucking genius. And one of the only comedians to remain funny in their golden years.", "who are some comics that you do like their delivery?\n\neverything we do all day has some thought or emotion or both attached to it. we learn under the radar a lot of the time to attach these thoughts and emotions to every single thing by sensing how those around us act and react. comedians play with those attachments by over or under-emphasizing them, mixing and matching them or treating them unexpectedly\n\nwe get a dopamine rush in the brain when these neural pathways are manipulated \n\nbut strangely, a bad delivery can deflate it all. it's as if we switch to beta wave brain mode when things are good and we just absorb and enjoy but when something's off with the delivery we go alpha brain wave and we completely dismiss them or scoff, critique and mock", "Jesus fucking Christ", "Agreed. Also why use lot words when few words do trick? Four paragraphs of three-syllable words don't resonate well with most.", "Then say something of substance here, argue what YOU think Chappelle was \"getting at\" if you strongly believe it differs from how it was discussed. Looking forward to it lol\n\nDon't just be like u/mikimao and continue to repeat that you 'haven't been owned' and 'you're being silenced' while you slowly shrink into a cob of corn", "40 years ago... Andrew Dice Clay? Holy shit I am old.", "George Carlin had the best eye for people I think ever. The way he understood things and the way people think is second to none", ">And then the trans community got mad as shit, they started calling her a TERF. I didn’t even know, what the fuck that was. But I know that trans people make up words to win arguments. So I looked it up. TERF is an acronym. It stands for Trans-exclusionary radical feminist. This is a real thing, this is a group of women… that hate transgender. They don’t hate transgender women but they look at trans women the way we Blacks might look at Black face. It offends them like, “Oh, this bitch is doing an impression of me.” Now I shouldn’t speak on this because I’m not a woman nor am I a trans. But as we’ve established… I am a feminist. [laughter] That’s right. I’m team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact.\n\nThen a few moments later he says,\n\n>Gender is a fact, this is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on Earth had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on Earth. That is a fact. Now… I am not saying that to say, that trans women aren’t women. I’m just sayin, that those pussies that they got… You know what I mean?", "We're all a bit ashamed of comedy we liked in highschool, my friends and I thought Dane Cook was hilarious when we were 14.", "\"Punching down\" is such a horseshit defense. So basically only people who aren't straight white people are allowed to \"punch\"? It's like the Oppression Olympics, whoever is the most marginalized gets immunity to talk all the shit they want.\n\n* Black man makes offensive jokes about trans? Cancel him!!! \n* Trans person makes joke about any other group? Hilarious!!! \n* White person makes any joke about a race that aren't white people? Fucking bigot!!!\n\nHow about you grow a set of proverbial balls and stop getting upset at jokes? It's pretty pathetic how regressive some of these \"progressive\" people are. We can't even have half the old comedy movies made in today's climate. Probably isn't a coincidence that there hasn't been a decent comedy movie in over a decade.", "Holy shit you are deranged.", "Listen to the Radiolab piece, though. It’s the opposite of that.", "Like which?", "This. I don't see him going against Chappelle in this scenario.", "Wait is this real? Or am I missing something? I must see this if it exists.", "No, it’s about marginalized groups being sick and tired of being the butt of the jokes while having to hide their individual identity. This anger has been simmering in gay culture for decades. Proof? ACT UP in the 1980s. They tried being quiet and peaceful, they realized they had to be agitators and get angry for any change to occur.", "He parties hardy", "You clearly don't know the meaning of the word \"intrinsically\" then dumbass", "I think I see the point you're getting at? (The federal example threw me off, I'd hardly say Federal Express is a hate group)", "He’s not though. Idk even know how people can get that from watching the special, just people wanting outrage clout. He literally said he doesn’t know if the Twitter harassment caused her death. Daphne’s own family defended him and called him an ally. The woman who led the Netflix walkout was racist AF and looking for clout. \n\nPeople heard the special, but they didn’t actually listen. \n\nIs he a Nazi too? A supporter of molestation? He must also be extremely racist to African Americans. Oh and he hates Asians too then. He must be all those things, because apparently the words on a stand-up comedy stage are truth.", "I only disliked that part because it wasn't funny, just literally defending himself.", "Carlin was pretty consistently anti-authoritarian, and had a dislike of the status quo. He was also pretty firmly leftist which is clear when you pay attention to some of the recurring themes in his comedy, and the way he speaks in interviews. \n\nThis isn't me projecting my beliefs onto him, I just don't see how someone could see someone like Carlin as a centrist.", "> It's like Archie Bunker in \"All in the Family\" was meant to be an archaic relic of a prior time, someone who was clearly wrong and would get shown up by his wife and children. But millions of people looked to Archie Bunker as a hero and felt that he was winning the arguments that the writers thought he was losing. \n\nWasn't this the same case with Al Bundy in \"married with children\"? The dude was such a massive loser but some people looked at him like a role model.", "“I learned the Truth from Lennie Bruce”", "Dave is just another rich asshole. he stopped being funny after he came back, people just too busy worshiping him to notice.", "Carlin is talking about Andrew dice clay, if so, Then Andrew does not pick on the aforementioned \"Underdog\" group,like DAve does. And those with shared hatred are to learn because even tough Carlin believes DAve and others have the right to say what they say,HE is not LAughing with the \"US.\" He is part of the \"underdogs\" Hence why Dice is banned.", "cool, I'm always down to engage in good faith.\n\nBasically \"man\" and \"woman\" are social roles that we've associated very closely with sex. But despite this, there is is no rigid, exhaustive definition these terms that only applies to the female sex or only applies to the male sex. \n\nThere are men with XX chromosomes, women with XY chromosomes, men with ovaries and women with testes. And in none of these cases am I talking about trans people. Sex itself is not even binary. Yet when there's atypical variation, we still fit them into a binary social system of \"man\" or \"woman\". That itself means there is subjective interpretation involved in this categorization system. \n\nBeyond those sex traits there are also social norms and cues that convey gender. Someone who has typical sexual development and is male can still pass as a woman socially. I'm sure you assume his sex is female because of the close cultural tie that has been constructed between gender and sex but the point is you don't actually know his sex, yet still socially gender him as a woman. If gender was truly based on sex, this wouldn't be possible.", "Yes", "It's not derogatory. They gave it to themselves.", "That's quite the nuanced take you've got there. Here's another. Most people are unwilling to live in a world where the only content they are permitted to consume is based on your sense of creativity.", "The nuance is lost and declared ignorance instead. In some cases I'm sure people understand the nuance and context, but intentionally stir the pot.", "> he also said he was a transphob at least a dozen times while telling the story about how he became friends with a trans woman that he admired.\n\nYeah, because \"she was one of the good ones.\"\n\nExact same energy as the \"how can I be racist, I have a black friend\" trope.", "So, Andrew Dice Clay did things for shock value and its OK to be offended by them, but Dave Chappelle makes jokes for shock value ans it's not ok to be offended by them?", "but he got the job :)", "so how would you summarize the point of Dave's special?", "They made the exact same argument about lesbians, funnily enough... Because transphobia is 99% recycled homophobia with the serial numbers filed off. \n\nI'm pretty uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with the one guy from marketing with really awful gas. But _he has to shit somewhere too_, and he's not making me _unsafe_. I will deal with it. It's a bathroom. We all need to pee. \n\nNow, if there are women who, for whatever reason (say, they recently read JK Rowling's latest book), feel _unsafe_around trans women in bathrooms... The honest truth is that they just aren't, and that their irrational fear is something they're going to have to get over. The threat of trans predators was bullshit when they made it up, and years of evidence have only made it more obviously bullshit.\n\nThey can feel that way all they want. When they try to legislate that feeling by forcing men into the women's room and women into the men's room... Well, that's a problem.", ">Then there was absolutely no point in italicizing the word then\n\nThere was plenty of point.\n\n>You wanted to make a point about it, it served no grammatical purpose and if you didn't mean it sarcastically then again why the fuck is it italicized. \n\nBecause him claiming to be her friend while empathizing with a group that opposes a major element of her fundamental existence is suspect.\n\n>My two sentences aren't seperate attacks of your point, it's all one thing. The latter confirms the former. Like holy hell you literally missed the point in my one sentence, it's no wonder you can't see a comedians point in an entire segment. \n\nSo what you're saying is you can't actually show where I said anything like you claimed I did?\n\nCool story bro.\n\n>Oh honey, you're the one that's worked up. Look at you and how fast those fingers are moving, it's okay.\n\nNo answer yet huh?", "... you can't \"use proper pronouns\" and then also make a joke where the punchline is literally just misgendering a trans person and then say \"so it all balances out!\" His jokes hurt FAR more people than the one person that he helped. This entire argument literally boils down to \"I have a trans friend and they told me I can make trans jokes.\"", "I once took an exam to work at the post office. I learned from the woman there that my score was really high (not a brag at all). The test was mainly remembering addresses on one page and then clicking them on the next. Fairly easy. \n\nThat's when I learned that most government things (and I've heard a lot of mainstream journalism as well) is written to people with no higher than an eighth grade education. Most people, even if they graduate from college, can't seem to comprehend or read past an eighth grade level. \n\nIt made my head hurt but also explained a lot. So, it doesn't surprise me that people are into middle school jokes because more complicated ones probably confuse them.", "I don't get why people think Chapelle is some kind of genius for doing an incredibly long, drawn out version of \"I'm not a bigot, buuuut\". Like why is this impressive? Did I miss the part where we all suddenly got stupid or???", "CJ was a winner of that award for the year, not the only winner.", ">And then the trans community got mad as shit, they started calling her a TERF. I didn’t even know, what the fuck that was. But I know that trans people make up words to win arguments. So I looked it up. TERF is an acronym. It stands for Trans-exclusionary radical feminist. This is a real thing, this is a group of women… that hate transgender. They don’t hate transgender women but they look at trans women the way we Blacks might look at Black face. It offends them like, “Oh, this bitch is doing an impression of me.” Now I shouldn’t speak on this because I’m not a woman nor am I a trans. But as we’ve established… I am a feminist. [laughter] That’s right. I’m team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact.\n\nHe says he agrees with them and then goes on to then bring up that he thinks gender is a fact as a second statement.", "It's not a 'gotcha-argument', it's an analogy that shows how ridiculous these asks are in other contexts. \n\n\nIf someone truly believes they're 6'10\" when they're not, you are not obligated to say their beliefs with your mouth. \n\n\nGender being a social construct is an entirely different discussion and still makes no sense with the existence of gender reassignment surgery. If it's entirely separable, why do people do that? It's all clearly smeared together. \n\n\nWhen someone says they're a woman when they were born a man they are making a claim about belonging to a metaphysical category for which they can provide no proof, and they're screaming at me that I now have to use words that affirm their internal beliefs in lieu of my own reality.", "Comedy and “funny” don’t mean the same thing. \n\n“I also don’t feel like he was attacking the trans community” Cool pal, YOU don’t get to decide how words were interpreted for an entire community. He doesn’t make jokes punching down on those groups. He makes jokes about the stereotypes about them created by racists. Big difference.", "Anti isreal and anti semetic are not the same thing.", "Yes! More analysis on 'the case-of-the-mildly-offensive-to-some-portion-of-the-public comedy special!'\n\nIt's like standup comedy is the last bastion of free speech, because if you're good enough you don't need a multi billion dollar corporation to back you. Dave could have sold tickets to this online and made it a streaming only event, and still would have made millions. He already got paid, and I'm sure he could care less at this point whether or not the special gets pulled from rotation. The statement's been made, love it or hate it there's no undoing it.\n\nI think it's time to stop analyzing what a comedian said three weeks ago and start analyzing, IDK, maybe how 1 in 5 kids goes hungry throughout the year. Doesn't mean the issues he raised aren't important or weren't offensive, I just don't care what a comedian thinks about them. Would be nice if we could just turn the page.\n\nDeath by a thousand politically correct cuts. Lets all grab our fiddles while this mutha fucka burns to the ground.", "What's wrong with drugs? And what conspiracy theories did he promote?", "Chappelles takes on sex and gender simply are not funny, I generally like his comedy but have no interest in hearing him go on and on about Kaitlin Jenner for 15 minutes of his hour special", "I'm using it as the weaponized caricature that it's become. I'm 50, to me 'woke' was Ned Beatty's \"you have meddled with the primal forces of nature\" scene in Network. That's not what it means any more, and I don't believe that everyone uses it for their platform is doing so sincerely.", "yeah i can tell by how much you're needling down on the word \"intrinsically\" that you're a dense fuck.\n\na man in a dress is funny, this is why hundreds of films, tv shows and other forms of media have leaned into it so heavily. sorry if you don't get it, hope you one day watch white chicks or mrs doubtfire and figure it out for yourself.", "Tell it to your readin' teacher. Sounds like you have more shit to learn.", "i had the chance to have a couple drinks with Dice Clay (and a fairly prolific male porn star) a few years back in a shifty Florida beach bar. we day drank for a couple hours, played some golden tee... mostly I just let the two of them bro it up while I played the \"peripheral temporary bar friend-guy\" role.\n\nhe was surprisingly down to earth, and for the most part a pretty normal dude. \n\nI got the feeling that both of them were kindof shaking off the pieces of their respective careers that dragged them down... at least for that afternoon. \n\nI'm not saying the guy regrets anything, or shouldn't be criticized for the inflammatory shit he said. but I think it's important to recognize that there was a beginning middle and end to the circus. he wasn't out there Alex Jonesing it into his retirement age... \n\nby then he was just an aging comic trying to live some semblance of normalcy.", "It's like someone saying \"yes, I was given the name Greg, but I'd prefer if you go with the name that I chose, Ben\". They're not threatening you, they're just saying \"hi, my name is Jacob, my pronouns are she/her, I would appreciate you using them\".\n\n\nAlso, you got those respectable science organizations that still maintain that gender identity isn't valid? Like a list of them? I got the WHO (among many others), [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/lgbt/comments/8wh5qs/my_master_list_of_trans_health_citations_in) post, you got something equally convincing or just your feelings? Are you gonna keep nitpicking instead of actually providing evidence (I would guess yes, because you don't have any...)", "you act as if the fact that if something is offensive to someone means it should never be brought up/the person who did the offending is in the wrong.\n\nLike literally, the fact that someone is offended is mostly irrelevant.", "He wasn't wrong. Both sides in American politics are the same.", "Are they, though?\n\nTo me, it seems more like the situation is that there's become a stark divide. \n\nDave is still making specials, still making bank, still being defended on social media despite what appears to be the Trans community's 'political will' turning against him. All that's changed is he's now being positioned and considered to be a part of the 'other team' here.", "What's crazy is that it's a fucking comedy special, not to be taken at literal face value.", "Thanks for taking the time to write all of this up, I appreciate how time consuming it is to write all of this and just wanted to let you know that I enjoyed reading it.", "I said nothing like 'trans people are dramatically overstating their problems' \n\n\nThe violence point is so. So tired. If you can't discuss the issue without yelling, \"You're literally killing me by disagreeing!\" you are out of good points.", "He talked about jfk in light of shady people behind the throne, hardly a conspiracy. And the drug bits span the political spectrum, as you pointed out. Sorry, but this is grasping.", "Yeah totally agree, glad I wasnt the only one who thought \"cmon Dave, what're you doing punching down like that?!\"", "you are completely missing the entire point of the special then, yet still acting as if you understand it. he absolutely is not attacking trans people, it's almost the opposite. it seems dedicated to making sure that people treat trans people as human beings, and the most important thing is to try and understand each other's experience as humans. it does not in any way preach intolerance to trans people", "He was also a high school history teacher from the future.", "Most of the trans material seemed like a half-apology to me. Like he knows that people are outraged and has an idea of why, but doesn’t fully understand and came out and said that he was never against them and highlighted a part of his life that would provide evidence that he really doesn’t have ill will against the trans community the way a lot of believe he does. Like he wants there to be an understanding that he is a comedian who makes jokes and he doesn’t want to be limited by having to exclude certain people. But at the end of the day the issue was more complex than Dave understood. That’s why he is actively trying to understand. \n\nAs for all the shit you’ve seen his fans say, I’ve got nothing for that. Assholes will be assholes. Trolls will be trolls. Bigots will be bigots.", "I grew up watching and listening to George Carlin had the pleasure of seeing him just before his passing the man was a genius everything he says is just so spot on", "Why do you say that?", "Absolutely agree with you. Its a very unpopular opinion and I know I will probably be downvoted to oblivion, but any community that gets this triggered and causes this much media frenzy cant claim they dont have power. Didnt he start off his jokes by applauding how fast the LGBTQ community got moving compared to the black rights movement?", "Okay explain how.", ">Saying something is a lazy excuse is also a lazy excuse.\n\nI did, try paying attention.\n\n>You think there is some line Dave crosses,\n\nDo I?\n\nThat's funny.\n\nQuote me.\n\n> It ended exactly at his jokes on trans people-\n\nDid it?\n\nStill no quote?\n\n>. Again, you are a huge hypocrite.\n\nSo you continue to show us you don't know what that word means.", ">Dave says he’s not punching down but we see him punching down? \n\nYou're right, circular reasoning IS circular. Excellent point.", "This is the same specter of the argument over 'marriage' as a definition, where people would(and still do) argue that it can only exist between a man and a woman. Do you think that as well?\n\nThis whole trans thing is really just that whole gay discussion all over again. Same shit with calling them 'mentally ill' and whatnot and that it's just a choice they've made. smh", "Sure. You tell yourself that Eddie Murphy being a lisping, effeminate gay person is \"mocking a belief system\". Maybe it'll make you feel better for laughing.", "The problem with him pointing to Caitlyn Jenner is literally every single trans person I've ever met fucking hates her, myself included. And VERY few people think she deserved woman of the year just for going through what millions of trans women do every year, if they wanted to give it to a trans woman they should've gone and found one who actually fucking accomplished something", "I was thinking the exact same thing what an excellent way to break something down and explain something. Very articulate and a very funny man. Really aware of the times as well as ahead of his day honestly.", "I don’t get why you’re so insistent that I’m “dense” just because I don’t find a man wearing a dress funny lmao.", "He didn't. He just said it didn't help.", "The laugh track no, you’re not. But the profanity really depends on the cadence of the comedian. Bill Burr without swearing isn’t as good and nobody’s gonna say he’s a bad comic. And if they did they’d simply be wrong. It’s part of his comic voice.", "You are correct on age. We have a group text of 10 of us who are all still close.", "So African American oppression is not part of an active political discussion? What about child molestation in the Catholic Church? Violence against Asians? Racism in general? Women’s rights? None of that is part of the current conversation? \n\nWho made you the arbiter of when a joke can be made? Dave’s points are being completely missed, and they don’t make him anti-trans. This binary approach to hot topics is reductive and ignorant.\n\nHis plight was mostly against white people, and hypocrisy of the devaluing of marginalized groups while lifting others up, and people punching down, while certain groups get carte Blanche protection.\n\nToo many people are taking the easy surface level interpretation and not wanting to put in the effort to really listen to what he was saying. They just want to be outraged for the sake of it.", ">Well I'd disagree, because that view is the same as stating transgender people don't exist. \n\nNo it's not.", "Most of these people are neurotic anyways so why should we give any credence to their skewed worldview?", ">There is probably some truth to HIM having feelings\n\nthis was what I think HE was saying... not my feelings. Sorry if that was unclear. I believe the nature of his joke was that Caitlyn Jenner was able to win woman of the year because of the history and fame she had as a white man and that that is shitty for cis women.", "Joe Friday destroys liberals.", "you should just watch it instead of reading about a ton of people arguing about a special that apparently no one even saw", "I’m sure it looks that way when you willfully ignore the death cult antics of the right", "Oh, for sure. It's just I'm a flight attendant and the LGBT community is HUGE here. We also get to see a little of everything, ya know? So while I'd never directly bring it up, when you fly with the same people for three days at a time and have a fair bit of downtime and share overnights... a lot gets discussed from serious to weird to insane to small talk. It's a great place to see every side of most issues, even if I may not always agree with the person's opinions or ideals.", "Then later he said \"I knew your father and she was a wonderful woman\" which is pretty fucked up. It sounds like a compliment but it isn't.", "I can assure you that people assigned similar levels of complexity to Andrew Dice Clay when they were trying to justify him punching down. \n\nYOU think Dave Chappelle is the equivalent of Tupac Shakur. And Andrew Dice Clah is Tekasho 6is9ine... And that assessment fits your argument suspiciously well. 30+ years ago, Andrew Dice Clay was very popular and people defended him as well using the same rhetoric.", "relax", "if there is such a bandwagon, all it achieves is generating free publicity for Dave and Netflix. almost as if they planned it that way...", "You should probably self reflect on why you view thought out and detailed criticism as an attempt to silence. That's not how discourse works.", ">Which jokes?\n\nWhy won't anyone answer this question?\n\nI see it raised very often but almost never answered.", "Your sexuality is a perverse lifestyle choice and it offends people.\n\nHow's that joke?", "Daphne defending Dave would have been why she received all the hate. And thus could be blamed on Dave. So maybe its just not the comments youre reading.\n\nWe have absolutely seen people calling it transphobic", "The fact that it is a big issue is proof of their power. Dave has made fun of every ethnic group and no protests. He pokes fun at the trans community and we have protests and a ton of media coverage.", "we didn't have the internet to show us everything about life back then. we had to seek out these things that mom and dad wouldn't let us watch. it was mystique, it was taboo. Now? desensitized to it all. There is no horror anymore.", "Sorry I didn’t keep up with the standings in the oppression olympics.", "We'll see I guess. I dont remember what you're referring to, but he doesn't strike me as somebody close minded and super stubborn.", "If you mean totally different situation and not at all similar then yes, I agree.", "I think the point I'm getting at is, that so few people actually disagree with ANYTHING... the people who are saying \"I am a TERF\" might believe the exact same thing as the people who hate TERFs. The people who say \"Trans women are women\" might believe the exact same thing as the person saying \"biological women are different\". We use these terms, and these bumper sticker phrases, but none of them are defined well enough to be useful in any way.", "Same. Never understood how people glorify him. I mean, okay, yeah - he was good at what he did. Some of the jokes were funny. I don't see how he changed the game at all, though.", "yeah like the new york times who wrote about \"the beef\" and then the new york times who complained about it, and then the new york times who covered the reactions? It's all just advertising for Netflix, guy", "Trans women are women.", "Why the fuck would you expect a community of people to watch a stand up special make fun of their identity, especially one that is just rehashed jokes from two other specials that already came out? No one wants to voluntarily sit through that, especially a group of people that get harassed all day and night for being who they are.", "i obviously do retard, just find it funny that people are pretending that a man dressed as a woman isnt funny as a way to virtue signal on another chappelle based comment section", "I only said how I interpreted them.", "I think it's Dave who has a bit about abducted children. He goes on about a white girl who was held captive for a long time in her own neighborhood, and then wraps up the \"punchline\" by mentioning a black girl who was held captive and got free the same day.\n\nI don't want to look it up because it's maddening, but he did the same thing there, he left out a lot of details, like where the white girl was actually restrained and sexually assaulted. But sure, let's make a joke out of how dumb she is.\n\nlol \"it's a joke not a documentary.\" It's a shitty joke when the setup gets the facts wrong and involves raping a child.", "If someone thinks a trans woman is a man, then it wouldn't matter if he thought that women deserve less rights, as you already get those as a man and then some.\n\nIf someone thinks a trans woman is a woman, then that already implies women's rights.\n\nSo what's the issue?", " It’s 8 o clock in Los Angeles! It’s 9 o clock in Denver! It’s 10 o clock in Chicago! In Baltimore it’s 6:42!", "His shit holds up because he's was the late 20th Century's greatest philosopher. His work will be timeless.", "It's the implication that is exploitative.\n\n\nIt's convenient how when 13 Reasons Why came out (horrible show) people were upset that the lead character blamed other people for her death/her decision to take her life, but now are okay with accepting a biased suggestion that the online trans community drove her to take her life (not to mention I've seen no proof of bullying ever linked)\n\n\nSuicide is tragic and depression is a disease we need to fix, but it is rarely fair to ever point to someone and say \"you caused X to do this\". Ultimately it is the person's choice to take their life, even if it's a mentally unwell and hurtful choice. \n\n\nDave even suggesting it was the \"trans community's\" fault is highly ignorant at best and malicious at worst.", "Carlin is the GOAT for me. How he created comedy that was so intellectually nuanced AND shit your pants funny I can’t fathom.", "Boooooo", "Trans women are women. It's not a difficult concept.", "it's basically like if he said \"well, the definition of a racist is someone who believes that different races exist, I guess I'm team racist, because race is a fact\" and then people thinking that race doesn't exist saying \"Dave Chapelle admits to being a racist, what a piece of shit!\". In the context of the conversation he's having, it makes a lot more sense, but people would rather explode about clips instead of understand what he said or just watch the show, since the majority of it is actually specifically about trying to understand the trans community and their struggle", "I strongly disagree that Bill wasn't funny. Personal opinion ofc, but the man has a legacy for a reason, and that's why he's often mentioned alongside Carlin.", "Holy crap does this controversy have legs! If only the actual special was this interesting...", "I despised Clay. He was like an Italian Larry the cable guy.", "Chapelle has a point when he observes the difference in magnitude between the things Dababy did and the reactions he faced for each. But he then twists the incongruity into something that makes it seem like the LGBTQ+ community and allies are overreacting to DaBaby's words, when the real absurdity comes from American society's inurnment to violence and the lack of consequences.\n\nChapelle says we shouldn't \"cancel Dababy.\" I disagree. It's just unfortunate that he wasn't \"cancelled\" for murder before he got on stage to say what he said.", "Well Dave isn’t a bigot so…your argument kind of falls apart right there.", "I thought the impossible joke burger joke was hilarious because it’s basically true it’s not the real thing", "I'm sorry guys - but I am fine with Transwomen. But claiming they are the same as regular women is straight up wrong. They will never be a women. They can't give birth. They don't have wombs. They don't have a uterus. Please stop spreading bullshit and lies.\n\nWe don't have to believe bullshit to be pro-trans rights.", "The joke was that Caitlyn Jenner isn't a real woman, and compares trans woman to the following:\n\n* White people wearing Blackface\n* Impossible / beyond meat\n* Calling Eminem Black\n\nBut yeah he totally isn't actually a TERF. ThEy'Re jUsT jOkES.", ">Is their having a different ideology than yours the sole basis of why you think it's a hate group? \n\nWhere did they call it a hate group?", "Sam Kinison was another I didn't like very much. Just the over-abundance of his shouting/screaming was too much for me. Which is weird since I kinda liked Lewis Black and he does the \"I'm losing my shit\" shtick quite a bit as well, which I used to like, but at a certain point I stopped liking so much.", "...and thank you for that ☺️", "In case you weren't aware, by calling a something intrinsically funny, you're saying it's funny to everyone.", "All the Belushi samuari skits, the Killer Bee with Hispanic accents, two wild and crazy guys, Rosetta Stone Thai", "My level of outrage is the same as when I see someone's 10 year old kid crying and throwing a fit in the store because he got told no. \n\nThat is to say I'm equal parts mildly annoyed, mildly amused, and mildly looking down on your parents for failing to teach you how to conduct yourselves. \n\nBunch of selfish brats with too loud a voice.", "Keep in mind, this is from the days before the internet.", "to me his argument is basically \"I'm black so I'm actually punching up.\" but he's not just a random black guy talking shit about trans people... he's one of the most popular entertainers in the world... more powerful than 99% of trans people, if not 100%", "Here is a list of peer-reviewed studies supporting creationism. [https://www.discovery.org/id/peer-review/](https://www.discovery.org/id/peer-review/) Among them cambridge university and the american journal of physics.\n\nAre you a creationist now or are you obstinately just going to trust your feelings?\n\n\\> They're not threatening you, they're just saying\"hi, my name is Jacob, my pronouns are she/her, I would appreciate you using them\" \nNo, they're saying \"you can't make jokes about our ideology or we'll try to get your special taken off of netflix.\"", "... with a lot of shitty actors.", "Yeah I never really got Hicks either, he always just felt cranky and pissy to me and I never got what was supposed to be funny. Maybe cause I'm too young and it was better at the time?", "That was the most disgusting part of the special. Everything else before that was boohoo rich man crying about his rich friends but that part was actually a little anger inducung to me. Using your friends suicide against marginalized people. Terrible shit", "This is true. And why you switch sides when it's time. The parties have flipped twice in my lifetime alone. My current record is Conservative>liberal>conservative. And I'll continue to vote for whoever has my best interest in mind. Which is nobody. Shit.", "Bravo. I agree with you 100%", "He never once said anything about blackface.\n\n>Him saying the everyone else in the LGBT+ community just want the T to shut up\n\nThat is a joke. A hyperbole. No line is crossed at all. You are actively looking to be mad about something.\n\n>You, the audience, doesn't get to pick and choose what is and isn't meant to be a joke.\n\nYou're right but if you actually listen to what the comedian is saying it's easy to discern what is a joke.\n\n>get just as much right to pick apart every single word\n\nYou do have the right and we have the right to tell you you're doing comedy wrong. Everything should be allowed to be made fun of or nothing is. If someone cannot laugh at themselves they are sad people. And going into semantics is just fucking meaningless. Take in the entire context and laugh even though it might not be accurate, it's a fucking joke.", "Because he isn't. So many folks are focusing on the trans jokes and not talking about he other jokes make it ridiculous. Show was funny. He has sparked a great conversation. This shit is hilarious.", "You're welcome! \n\n\nWow, I guess it's possible for Trump to be behind something positive after all!", "thats my entire point... my understanding is on me, and yours is on you.. and the definitions are different for all of us. Do you think everyone who says \"Defund the police\" has the same definition of what that means?\n\nI guess my point, which IMO is showcased here, is that its a tough conversation.. and complex and nuanced.. and we are all kind of just going through the motions.. repeating the things we know we are supposed to say.. but as soon as anyone tries to actually dissect it, or elaborate on the concepts.. the conversation just shuts down.. because nobody really knows what any of this stuff means.", "You didn’t find “ if your dick is covered with crap you’re bound to catch some thing” funny? Lol", "This. That’s why when my buddies wife was going through chemo I told him, “I’m sure she’ll beat it, she’s already on Stage 4!” And he just cried into his hands. Snowflakes are just getting so fragile these days. Smh.", ".", "Yeah you're definitely a TERF.", "Yeah... That's transphobic. That's the point", "I mean i bet it didn't.", "Jesus Christ he didn’t say that was the cause he just said it wasn’t helpful, you’re the problem.", "Even though I agree with George Carlin's assessment, I mama I disagree with OP's assertion that they are underdogs. \n\nTrans people are underdogs with a disproportionately louder bark", "Well I'd be kind of concerned if my audience was using my message of empathy and understanding (Which Dave really wants to say with The Closer) and are using his name to attack said group.\n\nThen again Dave's gonna really back and forth over how much he cares about what the haters think, then says he doesn't care what he wants to think. He ended the special saying that's the last he was ever to talk about trans issues; then a few weeks later he brings up the issue again to promote his new documentary. \n\nAt this point, I don't think you could draw a conclusion over how Dave cares about trans people. But if he does value anything, it's himself and the ability to say whatever he wants to.", "Yay I'm the 3000 comment", "I thought you were a comedian?", "Yep, that was his schtick—outrageousness. The problem was nothing could top the contrast between the nursery rhymes and his asshole persona. \n\nOnce the novelty wore off and people started quoting along at his concerts, it was the beginning of the end. Any other jokes he did just made him sound like a misogynist, a scumbag, or a racist prick. His material—or lack thereof—was exposed pretty quickly after that.\n\nNot many people can say they sold out Madison Square Garden—and he will always have that distinction—but he was very much a one-trick pony.", "I'm going to assume you're a cis man and ask you the same question - why is it important to you to be seen as a man by the people close to you?", "You think that applying a the actions of a single person from a group to the entire group is reasonable and funny? What are your thoughts on the stereotyping of Black people jokes? High effort or low effort?\n\nYou think trans people have only existed for 20 years? \n\nYou think that the length of the oppression is what determines if it's OK to make light of a group's plight as if it's some kind of hill that shit rolls down?", "even your replies don't address a single point", "Was he? You might have misinterpreted that set, friend.", ">“I can’t help but feel like if slaves had baby oil and booty shorts, we might have been free a hundred years sooner.”\n\nWhich is a stupid take because the gay community, of all races, was absolutely hung out to dry during the AIDS crisis by the American government.\n\nBesides, it's stupid to use your oppresion \"rank\" as a basis for what jokes you can and can't make. In that case, Native Americans got it worst of all because all of their land was taken and at one point there was a bounty paid by the government for Native American scalps. So they can make any jokes they want right? They can make Clifford the Big Black N_____ jokes, right?", "[Read my mind.](https://youtu.be/tl4VD8uvgec)", "I've read his quote word for word", "Nah that's the modern version of [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_at_the_Garden)", "I guess you missed the part where you learn irony, sarcasm and intent in the playground.", "Yeah in his final joke about telling his friends kid that his dad was one hell of a woman when they grow up or something like that. But it’s ok because he set up a trust fund for the kid, so money fixes everything of course.", "An 80 second clip from a guy who made a career making fun of people for washing their hands after taking a shit.", "[A Night at the Garden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Night_at_the_Garden) \n \n >A Night at the Garden is a 2017 short documentary film about a 1939 Nazi rally that filled Madison Square Garden in New York City. The film was directed by Marshall Curry from footage found by archival producer Rich Remsberg, and was produced by Laura Poitras and Charlotte Cook with Field of Vision. The seven-minute film is composed entirely of archival footage and features a speech from Fritz Julius Kuhn, the leader of the German American Bund, in which anti-Semitic and pro white-Christian sentiments are espoused.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "since you didn't watch the special, you don't understand at all the context in which he said it. \"well, the definition of a racist is someone who believes that different races exist, I guess I'm team racist, because race is a fact\" and then people thinking that race doesn't exist saying \"Dave Chapelle admits to being a racist, what a piece of shit!\".\n\nHowever, you could legitimately make that claim because he has made literally thousands of jokes about race, and therefore must be a racist.", "He spelled it out and I honestly don’t know how anyone who actually watched all of it could miss it. The whole thing is a contrast between two social rights movements and him ironically taking on the label that’s been applied to him. He didn’t say anything in the whole special that was actually hateful- just some jokes about pronouns and bathroom laws. The type of jokes no group of people has ever been exempt from in comedy. The small minority of people that are seriously offended by this have proven his point. And yes, I say minority because it’s on track to be one of the most successful Netflix features in history. Despite what one may believe from this random Reddit thread.", "Trying to pose me as the villain while spouting off bigoted shit is idiotic, nice try virtue signalling.\n\nTrans women are not men presenting as women, they are just women. Trans men who get top surgery are not women, they are just men.", "nah Delirious is legit funny. Apart from the AIDS bit, it's aged well imo", ">Comrade\n\nHow's the larping going tankie?", "So what you're saying is Dice could win the Republican primary now?", "never said you weren't allowed to consume it, just saying it's not groundbreaking", "Buts it's not okay to be one... which is how the comment worded it and you acknowledge and mirror in your reply.\n\nIt's never okay to be a Nazi.\n\nYou just seem to be a nazi if you think it is okay to be one.", "Respectfully disagree. All Chappelle said in his last special was that trans people aren't the gender they identify as, and then pulled the \"I have a trans friend\" card as his out. The dude is black, yet can't see the idiocy in using his dead trans friend as a shield he hides his transphobia behind. Chappelle even called himself \"team-TERF\" and defended JK Rowling. There was no social commentary, he was just upset at a social movement that he doesn't understand.\n\nIt was transphobic beyond measure. It takes next to no effort to refer to someone by the pronouns they want, yet here is Dave Chapelle punching so far down it isn't even funny. I lost all respect for him.", ">...feeling like they are the oppressor. That struggle he's experiencing his 100% valid...\n\nIs it really?", "I guess auto correct on my phone…. Not really sure", "People were calling it transphobic because it is transphobic. But that has nothing to do with causing someone's death, which again, nobody is implying happened because nobody except for Dave is even claiming that Daphne killed herself over online harassment.", "Who has been cancelled? Dave has hundreds of millions of dollars. He was paid 25 mil for \"The Closer\" alone. He is not being \"cancelled\" in any meaningful way. People are not complaining about wanting to censor language or edgy jokes, they're complaining about Dave punching down, the thing Carlin is decrying in OP's video.\n\nDave said he was \"Team TERF\". TERFs are, by definition, a hate group. Given the fact that there are a hell of a lot of self-contradictions and bits crafted based on purposeful omissions of fact and fundamental misunderstandings of issues regarding trans people and the discourse involved in \"The Closer\", followed by using his identity as a black man to punch down on another oppressed group who hasn't attacked him for said identity, yeah, I think Carlin might have an issue with the things Dave said, yeah. Again, the censoring of language (which both I and Carlin are against) is not the issue here; it's the abuse of power dynamics (which both I and Carlin are against).\n\n[And, for reference, Bo Burnham said something similar, that comedians like Chapelle are being crybabies and that actual censorship of speech and the dogpiling that occurs on the internet get conflated with each other, which you are doing right now](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D52TF1OtgSE). Nobody has been \"cancelled\", and Dave is not immune to criticism for his jokes. He's been pulling boomer crybaby B.S. again and again about this sort of thing in his last few specials, and he's getting criticized for it. Freedom of speech for all, baby.\n\nEDIT: guy I was responding to edited his comments above and below to not say what he definitely said, and now the thread is locked. What a coward. Stay mad, downvoters. You're wrong, and so is Dave.", "He tells stories of white people confronting him, and about Caitlin Jenner. Did Chapelle attack you?", "The comments on that video. Jesus fucking Christ", "Has he ever struck as you as the kinda guy that wants to be a hero? He ran from the limelight, and came back with a thicker shell.", "Dane cook", "I think it’s always important to remember that comedians are just as fallible as anyone. There’s been a real problem in recent years with people treating comedians as if they’re above criticism and acting as if the things they say have some kind of inherent truth or value to them.\n\nEdit: grammar", " I get your point. I’m saying he was highly skilled, like a lot of guys who get to his level.", "Thanks for the clarification/background! (Makes it less clear what distinction the comment I was responding to was trying to draw.)", "Dave Chappell was a comedic voice for black America when there weren’t a lot of people like him around.\n\nHe’s been touching upon a lot of concepts of racism lately and honestly waking a lot of POC up and getting deep into the issues, and so a lot of conservatives have been targeting him and manipulating other more liberal communities against him.\n\nHonestly we’ve been through this before over and over again from Hillary to Bernie, and it’s 100% a proven tactic far right conservatives have used to sow contempt from within, which is using liberal’s tendency for social outrage against them.\n\nI’m a POC and as liberal as they come, but sometimes I look at everyone around me and realize they’d rather eat each other alive than work together to prioritize goals and tackle one thing at a time for change. It’s never been realistic to think we can just change everything altogether all at once, change is a process.", "Ah and those two Dorman sisters are they LGBTQIA? And secondly are they also Trans? If not then their opinion is meaningless on whether or not it was transphobic. It'd be like a white person saying that Jim Crow laws weren't racist. Just cause they were related to a Trans individual does not give them any right to be arbitrators of what is and isn't transphobic. As a Trans person what he said was transphobic and to say Team TERF is to outright proclaim you are in favour of hate. \n\nHate usually has one end goal. Perhaps trans have yet to experience full systemic processing but history is full of other groups that went through the meat grinder.", "THANK YOU FELLOW LEDDITOR!! UPDOOTS TO THE LEFT OF COURSE LMAOOOO", "Some of the jokes were definitely funny.", "Yep. Say that a transwoman shouldn't be part of a study on ovarian cancer and they call you a TERF. Say that a transman shouldn't compete in women's MMA and they say you want trans people dead. \n\nIn most situations, there is absolutely no reason to treat a trans person differently. They deserve full legal protection under the law. Full housing, employment, medical rights. When someone transitions, obviously don't dead name them. \n\nBut if a woman comedian can tell jokes about men who have a small penis, Chappelle can joke about a transwoman having a \"beyond vagina\". \n\nThat's comedy.", "I'll bet you like to say that liberals are overly sensitive.", "I can honestly understand why you would feel that way. I believe with Dave Chappelle, the moment you tell him that he can't make a joke about something, whatever it is, his nature is to purposely make more jokes about it. I think if you met him in person, he would be very respectful and compassionate to you as a person- at least that was what I've read about him. When I was watching his standup, his explaining his friend's experience and his reaction to her death were probably far closer to his behavior when doing serious interviews than his usual standup persona, and I think that was what his genuine views are.", "Why are LGBT people the only type of people Dave isn’t allowed to make fun of? \nHe opens the standup with jokes about Jews, jokes about whites and blacks, makes fun of Asians, but none of these other groups are walking out of Netflix and protesting him", "In principle nothing. But blanket recommending everyone do LSD and such is a bad idea.\n\nAs for conspiracies, back then I remember JFK, Waco and Stoned Ape at least.", "Here's the thing for me and this \"Controversy\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIf any other comedian had said a similar thing, their career would be over. Period.\n\nGeorge Carlin is right; comedians are a way for the powerless to feel catharsis by punching above their weight; aiming at politicians, the rich, the powerful, the famous. People who are so removed, enjoy such privilege that they need to be taken down a peg, so that they are reminded they are human so that we remember they are human, and not some kind of demigod.\n\nDave is 'punching down' attacking the most marginalized of people in our society. in any society, really. Black trans people are orders of magnitude more likely to be killed and their murders unsolved, uninvestigated. And his words, his 'jokes,' hell, even his anger is taking swipes at people who are already seen as 'freaks' or 'deviants' and subjected to physical violence fairly regularly. It takes only a nudge to make his audience (or those who take his words out of context) to stop seeing trans people as people and feel vindicated when famous celebrities agree with their point of view.\n\nDon't get me wrong; Dave is smart. He's smart, and will be able to milk this controversy to the utmost, lining his pocket neatly. Perhaps even more money than he might have gotten with a less controversial set of opinions. Dave is smart, But he is not wise. Once before, his satire was taken out of context and used as memes in certain circles that laughed a little too hard, a little too long. It was this that originally gave him pause, caused him to step back and take a break and then return again. But, it seems, he did not learn his lesson.\n\nHe is not wise also because he couches the reaction to his words as the boogeyman \"cancel culture;' a cute little buzzword along with \"moral majority\" and \"war on Christmas\" that feels like it's what's happening, but is a myth. What he (and Tucker Carlson and Jeanine Pirro) frame as 'cancel culture' is actually the right no object when someone says or does something offensive. If someone farts in an elevator, we have a right to get mad at them. And that's what Dave did; he did a bit - out of 'comedy' or 'anger' or whatever - and it landed flat. Worse, it put marginalized people as the butt of his satire. And those marginalized people have the right to be offended, and to protest with their 1st Amendment right.\n\nFinally, his lack of wisdom shows through when he blows the situation arrayed against him out of proportion. He stated in a recent video that he has to \"bend the Knee;\" a nice little dog whistle euphemism signaling to those listening that he's being 'oppressed' for people reacting with anger at his juvenile attempt at humor. This same phrase is used in those certain circles as well; that Gay rights or Trans rights or or Immigrant's rights or Women's Reproductive rights being asserted as a natural human right (something that takes away 0 rights from others) is \"bending the Knee\" or \"kowtowing.\" He said something that offended people and he had a choice; he could have recognized he has made a faux pas and own up to it, like a mature adult. But he didn't, instead he sees it - whether for the theater of it, or out of genuine reaction - as an attack on his right to make jokes. Unfortunately, he did the latter.\n\nIn other words, his position now (given his words and his stance) is effectively saying that to admit wrong is weakness. In what world does apologizing mean one loses? If I say something that offends my neighbor or the clerk at the store, I apologize. I haven't lost anything. In fact, I gained something; a perspective that maybe that joke was not as funny as I thought and that other people have feelings that are valid and need to be acknowledged..\n\nBut Dave's jokes are so tied up with his ego that he cannot see that what he said was offensive and dangerous. So he lashes out in anger - misplaced anger, perhaps born of embarrassment because he knows deep down what he did was beyond the pale - and doubles down, using dog whistle words and turns of phrase that only energize those who are looking for an excuse to hate. (He knows the crowd; they're the ones who knelt on George Floyd's neck, shot Ahmaud Aubrey and Brianna Taylor and Treyvon Martin and are unapologetic about it; hell, heroes to that circle). \n\nTo continue the analogy from earlier, he farted in the elevator, people called him disgusting, and now he's the victim? Come on, own up Dave.\n\nAnd please, spare me the martyrdom of not being unable to find a distributor for your documentary; what other comedian would have been able to invite people from around the world, filmed the documentary in the MIDDLE OF THE PANDEMIC and then have the wherewithal to distribute it themselves?", "What is it now, is gender a metaphysical category or is it hardcoded into a person? \n\nStill, what keeps you from respecting a persons identity? No ones asking you to respect claims about their DNA suddenly being different, which would be the correct analogy for your height-thing. Again, do you check peoples DNA when meeting them, or do you base your assesment of gender on other things? Just because sex and gender correlate, doesnt mean these things are in a causal relationship.", "I dunno, he was hilarious on Johnny's Bananas.", "I don't think this really applies to chappelle at all. The full context of each respective stand up make that painfully clear. Feels really bullshitty to assume what Carlin woulda thought about this extremely nuanced scenario based off something he said decades ago, unrelated to this, and that matches what you want to hear.", "Ok, hopefully someone else steps in to define it.. thanks though. \n\nOpen question for anyone willing to participate.. what is an example of a TERF taking a trans exclusionary action?", "Punching up at power and not down at the little guy is timeless.", "Who decided that tho? It's a curious thing.", "Hahahahahaha I’m an anarchist hahahahahahahahahaha", "Of course they don't, but you don't either.", "Well considering he neglects to mention that she killed herself very shortly after losing custody of her child, which probably had far more to do with it, it would be inaccurate to say he isnt misrepresenting the reasons.", "Sure they can. An allegory can teach many things even if none of it ever happened.", "Calmer then you are, Dude.", "Dave chapelles not angry though. His world view just isn’t in alignment with how other people feel about trans people. I’m not trying to defend him per se, but I don’t agree with a lot of his last stand up and some of it made me cringe, but I think this crucify Dave shit is kind of out of hand. Trying to throw away a body of work for a few hot takes is absurd. He didn’t advocate against them, he didn’t tell people to misgender them, he showed empathy and sadness for the struggles they’ve gone through and the death of his friend. He cares for people on a human level and that’s his point, disagree with people, but respect their struggle and that they are human.", "PRONOUNS HE/HIM BTW LOL", "Dave said some shit a lot of people didn't like. He's a comedian, his career lives and dies on public opinion, it always has, and it must, given the nature of what comedy is. If you go into comedy, expect your audience to control your career. If you want freedom to say whatever you want about whoever you want, don't go into a career that depends on having an audience.\n\nYou can argue whether what Dave said was funny, or socially acceptable, or deserves the backlash, but it doesn't matter. I haven't seen the special, so I don't know. Frankly, I don't care. At the end of the day, either he gets past this, or he doesn't. The audience either saves him, or turns on him. \n\n>If you’re just going to sit there and ignore the cancel culture for what it is then you’re on the wrong side of history on this one my friend.\n\nThis shit's fucking cringe.", "For someone who wants everyone to stop punching down, he sure does a hell of lot of punching down at trans people…", "Systematicly by law? Not that I know of. Gay/ trans people on the other hand", "“Don’t be so suburban”", "Punching down. Great term.", "This. So much this. I've revered George since I can remember and I just dont believe he would be against Dave in this one. Maybe that makes me biased but I just dont see this fitting.", ">I didn't say it was the same, I was saying the right to be one is the same? \n\nBut it isn't.\n\nAnd you didn't say right, you said okay.\n\nAs in morality. Not legality.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>Just because I don't like them doesn't mean i think it shouldn't be legal to be one because those kinda laws were why I couldn't be gay growing up.\n\nNo. I'm pretty sure we can still have laws that say you can't be a murderer without making homosexuality illegal. You can draw lines.", "I mean,... Religious conservatives ran the government and literally put people in jail over it, but yeah its totally the same.", "Tekashi 69 was exactly this.", "half of the special is literally exploring the entire idea of punching down in comedy", "I wish this had more upvotes.", "Don't forget that he's black and black people are more oppressed than trans people so it's okay to make those jokes!\n\nIt's goddamn clown 🤡 shit and not in a good way.\n\nIt amazes me that he has so many defenders in the black community. He ends his special with \"I can't be a transphobe, I have a trans friend\". Isn't that literally what shithead politicians do when they're caught being racist? \"No no, I can't be racist, I've got black friends\". It's the same shit.", "He is still saying the white trans that are transitioning women are white men.", "Do you think there is a shortage of assholes?", "I’m not commenting one way or another on whether it’s accurate, but they’re saying that Chappelle was “punching down” at the trans community specifically in at least his latest special. The main criticism of Chappelle’s comedy lately is that he - and comedians in general - should be punching up.\n\nCarlin describes another comedian that he felt was punching down, and explained why he thought that was wrong and foolish. There are pretty close parallels here between Carlin’s perception of Dice’s comedy and many people’s perception today of Dave’s.", "As Dave said in the special: no one cared that Da Baby killed another black man, they crucified him when he said disrespectful things about the gay community.", "This is probably a better take\n\nhttps://youtu.be/adh0KGmgmQw", "He said if acknowledging sex is fact is TERF then he's team TERF. Which implies he just cares about that (acknowledging gender/sex is real/biological) and not actually literally being whatever TERF means.\n\nAnyone who isn't out of practice with the English language and who saw that part of the special would understand that.", "No one’s mocking. A guy slipping on a banana peel is funny. Mocking him isn’t.", "You would think they would be on hbo, but nope it's on Amazon", "Would you say you struggle more with your political identity or your gender identity? Take your time.", "I disagree that the LGBT isn't powerful. They are probably the most powerful well funded lobbying organization on the planet.", "No. They have a point that people don’t seem to understand. Fuck Israel. The Jews are great.", "It is intentional. They want to make their conduct immune to criticism. FUCK ISRAEL.", "His only statement from the special describing why she killed herself was: \"I don't know what was going on in her life, but I bet dragging her didn't help\". Doesn't seem so wildly misrepresenting.", "He insinuated it, and now his fans are saying it. He knew exactly what he was doing.", "[Andrew Clay Silverstein](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Kv7nCrtLYw)", "He talked about JFK, going through the major arguments for why it was not Oswald shooting him. He just presented the conspiracy theory as it stands, with q bit of whimsy.\n\nAs for drugs, its a libertarian thing, but it's that irresponsible 'drugs are fantastic and everyone should do them' bullshit you see sometimes.", "He absolutely did. Invited a transwoman to open for him. And was honest with her about what she did right and wrong. What's more humanizing than that?", "He didn't say that. That wasn't the joke.", "Anyone who says we haven't made any progress in the last few decades is being willfully ignorant of the obvious truth.\n\nOf course we still have a long way to go, but to assert that our cultural situation surrounding race/gender/nationality/religion/etc. is the same as it was 50, 25, or even 10 years ago is just pants-on-head ridiculous.", "He got a lot of people to realize how precarious and endangered our democracy, domestic peace, and civility is, so that's good. Unfortunately it was because he set out to destroy those things, so that's very bad.", "No I thought he showed a ton of respect for the trans community, and they feel the same based on those I’ve spoken to about the special", "Actually, most comics don’t touch social commentary. Ones that do in a real way are rare.", "Exactly. For less than \\~4% of the population to expect society to upheave the way we refer to gender is insane. It also assumes and enforces a base level of respect towards total strangers.\n\nIf you're my friend and you are trans and I like and respect you, sure, I'll refer to you however you like. I'm not however going to blanket change the English lexicon we have developed over hundreds and thousands of years based on the wishes of a minuscule minority of people I've never met.", "He wasn't anti-Semitic; he just called out some BS. Fair play.", "I remember when he was told offensive and got on the news. Actually packed like 2 more nights at the same arena because of the news. \n\nI always thought he was just doing super offensive character.", "I'm absolutely sure the situation didn't help. Even looking back at how she reacted to his one joke while she was in the audience watching him, you could tell she was touchy to a decent degree about things even coming from someone she considered a friend and a hero, so to think having random internet warriors of justice and truth en masse embroiling her into the situation did nothing to her negatively so coincidentally close to her suicide is a stretch.", ">You don't have to like them, I don't like them either.\n\nIf you think being a Nazi is okay, you like them.\n\n>Yet the idea that being one shouldn't be allowed or isnt \"ok\" is why so many of us growing up weren't allowed to be gay because it wasn't \"ok\" to be one.\n\nNo.", "> Dave starts the joke by saying \"I'm team TERF\", which is supposed to illicit a negative reaction from you.\n\nThis implies that most of his audience would have a negative reaction to calling himself a TERF. But in reality, most of the people listening to the special were hearing that term for the first time, and now the only thing they know about it is that a comedian they like claims to be part of that group.", "People mad at chapell for pointing out that allowing a masculine as fuck transgender woman to use the female restroom is as absurd as forcing a clearly passable/\"never would have known\" woman to use the male restroom.\n\nMad that he may very well have done more for a transgender family/person than the trans community has/they may have pushed to suicide. \n\nMad that he has the \"audacity\" to crack jokes on a marginalized community...\n\nall this outrage goes on par with the illogical thought that the trans community is 100% pure/can do no wrong. say anything not 100% pro trans and you're a transphobe. Like hate to break it to you, but that .5% of the population is still merely a cross section of society still. The same percentage of that .5% are going be thieves, murderers, pedophiles, good people, geniuses, and world changing people just like the rest of society. To claim they are \"offlimits\" to comedic targets is much of the point of his special. \n\nMuch of his bit is hitting at hypocrisy of the trans/left/sjw community, etc. If you can't get that I can't help you. \n\nExample: \"gENder iS dIFFerENT tHan SeX\"\n\nLike yeah sure, but you're applying that new definition to a language and society that made all of it's standards, rules, and norms based on those two being synonymous. (IE... it's not \"womans' soccer\" it's \"female soccer\". The hypocrisy part? Gender is different from sex until it doesn't suit your agenda and you make them synonymous again to suit your goals. IE... changing the sex on your drivers license or birth certificate to match your gender. Like sorry, scientifically that's not possible. but also #BelieveScience #CovidisReal (catching the hypocrisy yet?)\n\nIt's about hypocrisy... hypocrisy of what they claim. and hypocrisy of how the punch down/outcast people... to include their own or other marginalized people", "in case you weren't aware, virtue signalling is when somebody makes themselves appear like they have the moral highground irrespective of what is actually true, which is what i'm saying this dude is doing\n\nbut yeah crossdressing isn't intrinsically funny, that's why it hasn't been one of the most used tropes in comedy and why ru paul's drag race only lasted 1 season\n\nif you'd like i can explain sarcasm to you too if we're just explaining things to one another dickhead", "Just the T.\n\nHe’s been making L and G jokes for years, and no ever said shit.", "[It's a joke](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD3c0RwF55c), it's just a joke, he's joking, he's just joking [It's a joke](http://www.theinclusionsolution.me/unpacking-the-conversations-that-matter-its-just-a-joke-why-are-you-so-upset/), [it's just a joke](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JustJokingJustification), he's joking, he's just joking It's a joke, it's just a joke, [he's joking](https://www.insidehighered.com/blogs/mama-phd/just-joking-defense), he's just joking [It's a joke, it's just a joke, he's joking, he's just joking](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBPBrJ74C8I)\n\n>He never once said anything about blackface.\n\nHe likened being trans to blackface or did you not watch the special?", "100% real.", "This argument is circular because he made sure to say that twitter wasn't necessarily the reason because people that didn't watch/listen/hate him will hear that he blamed the Trans community. Maybe he knew there was no winning and maybe that was the point.", "Struggle more with my gender identity 100%. The refutation of power and hierarchies and a need to uplift the community are easy beliefs to hold if you have a soul", "Laughing at someone for the clothes they wear is mockery. If I laughed at you because I thought your glasses were funny would you not see it as mockery?", "This argument that cancel culture isn't real, and 'cancelled' people aren't really effected or are doing better than ever makes no rational sense.\n\nDave has already explained that no studio is touching his recent documentary because of pressure being exerted by those upset with him. Louis CK estimates his 'cancelling' cost him near 35 million dollars in lost revenue, and his career still hasn't recovered to where it was prior to that horrifying masturbation incident.\n\nThere are a near infinite number of examples demonstrating that being cancelled can cause all manner of harm, from minor reductions in income, right up to triggering mental health crisis that result in suicide.\n\nPlease stop intimating that being cancelled has no effect on people.", "It's like getting cancer to truly appreciate the value of chemo therapy.", "That’s a big yikes from me, chief.", "Spot on", "Those groups that he mentions now wield significant power. That’s why Chapelle can joke about them. He’s not punching down. He’s punching up against the cry bullies.", "And not all trans womens problems apply to biological women, nor do all of biological womens problems apply to trans women.", ">~~Religious conservatives~~ Fanatic liberals ran the ~~government~~ media and literally ~~put people in jail~~ attempt to take people's livelihoods away over it, but yeah its totally the same.\n\n2021 edit for you friend.", "Trying to sound smart you sound like a crazy person.", "Not if I was wearing funny glasses", "We will be having a celebration, weather permitting.", "Well said. Also, OP trying to compare Chappelle to Andrew Dice Clay is fucking stupid and reckless. Their comedy is world's apart. We're talking comparing Tolstoy to E.L. James...", "Here’s the weather, man", "Are you saying Bill Hicks is Alex Jones?", "This is more of an indictment on the people defending Chappelle than Chappelle himself. These supporters of the jokes he made are some awful fucking people. Full stop.", "Sure, if you're exclusively concerned with a community of less than 200 people maybe. Anarchism at scale is as much of a joke as capitalism has become.", "Is there a specific joke or thing that was said by dave in the recent special that is off limits to you? Or is it making jokes about trans in general for comedians should be completely off limits?", "They really aren't though. One wants to fuck everyone for the rich. One wants to fuck everyone for the rich but take care of the little guys when they can.", "Going off memory also, but, yes, my recollection is that he used the stereotypes and certainly made fun of gay people but wasn't mean-natured about it. It comes off as the kind of shit teenage male friends would say to each other; yeah, it's dumb and inappropriate and harmful but you get the feeling that underneath there is no animosity. He was just a product of his time.\n\nIt's all relative; you've got to keep in mind that back then conservatives very much wanted gay people dead, let alone out of the closet, marching in the streets, or (gasp) getting married. So for Eddie to say it's totally fine to have gay friends and it's cool to hang out with them even though they do faggoty things worthy of ridicule... well, it was a kind of progress I suppose. Seemed like it at the time.", "Dave set up the definition for the word himself.\n\nIt wasn't watered down.\n\nHe agreed with a group he acknowledges find the existence and lives of trans people to be equivalent to a blackface performance in offensiveness.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ILugwjdQQsI\n\nIf you said it we can criticize it. It goes both ways.", "Dave set up the definition for the word himself.\n\nIt wasn't watered down.\n\nHe agreed with a group he acknowledges find the existence and lives of trans people to be equivalent to a blackface performance in offensiveness.", "Oh for fuck sake, the dude is using his desde trans friend as a free pass to be a douchebag and keep his relevance after two Netflix specials ridden with controversies. \nAlso nobody talks anymore about Dave being muslim, and we are seriously asking why is he a bigoted asshole??", "Dave Chappell wants to kill transgender people and enforce white supremacy it's not complicated", "No no bro it totally had to do with other stuff, couldn't have possible been being dragged into a war by possibly hundreds of thousands of rando Twitter cunts.", "Well then that comes down to your specific opinion of the individual. Liars exist in all facets of life, not just comedy.", "> oh god damnit I lived through that but did not recall how bad that was. \n\nWell back then we didn't have clips on tap. I was laughing at his stuff and a big fan I didn't even understand good English back then. \n\nI remember one time, he made it to news about how offensive he was and actually added two or three arena show. So popular the they cancelled other events that was going to play at that arena to make room for his audience. \n\nThat part has not changed. \n\nDifferent times. Different resources. as long as we change with the time I think it is good.", "I know. The \"he\" in my post, which I quoted from you, is Chappelle.\n\nI'm saying that TERF doesn't just mean that you acknowledge that trans women were born as biological males and then transitioned (and therefore may have some imaginary advantage over biological females). It's that being a TERF is an inherently hateful ideology.", ">The man called his friend a woman. That isn't what a TERF would do.\n\nHe also refers to them as a dad and uses he/him pronouns for her.", "That would mean you were doing something funny. That doesn't make wearing glasses inherently funny.\n\nSo if a man wore a funny dress it's funny. But that doesn't make men wearing dresses itself inherently funny.", "Talk about scale to my giant fucking nuts", "This is spot on, except it wasn't about headlines. There was deliberate misinformation and an organized campaign against it. There were a handful of tweets that spread the talking point like wildfire without context -- rather, specifically removed from context in an intentional effort to deceive. The lies are still being spread, and now they're trying to gaslight with crap like, \"Dave wasn't even friends with Daphne\" or \"Daphne wasn't bullied by other trans; she was bullied by Chappelle's followers\". It's all illogical nonsense and blatant lies. It's kind of crazy to watch in real time, but history won't look kindly on the people pushing it.", "Kinda seems like you just might not like comedy.", "Dave Chappelle's special was hilarious. Get over the jokes and move on.", "Yeah, I've got a friend who's incredibly smart with tasks he applies himself to, and works a well paying job and works it well, does stuff on the side, just is the top tier of success at his age. Ask him about social issues, dude's clueless. He's not antisocial, he has a good friend group which I'm part of, but he has simply no intelligence on the world, and whenever a social topic comes up he doesn't say a word", "You’re joking right ? Lol", " If you disagree, you're expressing hate. Its pretty simple. The alphabet people must be hereby exempt from ever having fun made at their expense.\n\n/s", "I don't think you watched it.", "My gosh thank you. I love that bit and you just cheered up an otherwise crap day for me.", "I agree, however:\n\n>They're saying Caitlyn Jenner lives the vast majority of her life as a man, which is wrong. She's always been a woman, she just didn't realize it until later in life.\n\nIsn't this also a bit reductive and and afaik outdated view? Caitlyn identified as a man for the majority of her life, and this idea that people are born as \"one true inner gender\" (aka a woman born in a man's body, a man born in a woman's body, etc) isn't really constructive or necessarily representative of actual trans experiences. It can be true for people who experience gender dysphoria early in life, but I don't think that's the general experience even though it's often stereotyped as such.\n\nIt also ignores that for the majority of her life Caitlyn was treated and socialized as a white man, with the experience and privilege that grants, and now a trans woman, with the experience that entails. This is just to say that Caitlyn's life isn't representative of the struggles of a CIS woman, but instead that of a trans woman. Neither is more or less legitimate than the other, but they're different.\n\nThe above commenter definitely appears to think that having the life experiences of a CIS woman is some sort of pre-requisite for the Woman of the Year award though, which definitely suggests they think that CIS women are more legitimately \"women\" than trans women, and that's getting into TERF as fuck territory.", "Uh oh, seems like you've been triggered. Shall we find you a safe space?", "To pretend that is not leveling the blame on Twitter in the most cowardly way possible is patently dishonest of both you and Dave.", "I've always enjoyed offensive comedy but Dice has never been funny to me at all. I was a kid when he got popular and all my friends would bring his tape around and just, nope. It was all low-hanging fruit. \n\nI believe the act began as a parody and then became his actual persona once it made him lots of money, which has got to be the definition of selling out, but I'm not his biggest fan so maybe some who is can set me straight", "I disagree. Marriage equality has always seemed like a no brainer to me; it's totally in line with American values as a whole (freedom, etc.). I'm also totally cool with trans people, I just find it curious the need to demand trans women be included in \"women\" uber alles.", "Lmao imagine trying so hard to explain why Dave Chapelle's joke it's not funny...", "Yes daddy 👅", "Eh not really. You're not the \"underdog\" when you are extremely antagonistic and aggressive towards anyone who doesn't agree with you. When you organize campaigns to ruin peoples' lives because they have a different opinion than you, you're not the good guys.", "> Do I? \\That's funny. \\ Quote me.\n\nLOL. What? Did you just seriously walk head first into this one? Here is what you typed out 2 responses above.\n\n> \"Making jokes about everyone\" is sort of a lazy excuse. That does nothing to establish or even consider when certain things may be appropriate or crossing a line.\n\n\nI just listed a single quote that refuted literally everything you just tried to claim. Do you have dementia, because this is seriously sad. I wonder if you will delete your previous comment or leave it to save face?", "Trans women are women in the same way that squares are rectangles. Trans is just an identifier of a specific type of person, whereas “cis” is the opposite, i.e., women can be separated into groups of cis women and trans women.", "There’s a ton of pile-on happening here. People see Carlin and can’t help but upvote. The association between Dice and Chapelle’s messages should be more offensive than anything Chapelle has said himself. People here don’t seem to realize how important Dave is to the Black community and to modern-day civil rights. To imply Dice was doing anything close to this is fucking ridiculous.", "I would expect that it's important in so far that I want to be treated equally with some basic level of respect and kindness as anyone else. And in so far as I'm concerned, I expect the same for you. I wouldn't idle around if I witness someone harassing you for something you can't change, anymore than I would for a woman or anyone else.\n\nBut a question back, does a paraplegic expect others not account for their physical difference? I am asking respectfully. \n\nYou are different in a way that a woman, or a child, or paraplegic, or Hispanic, or Black or whatever is different to me.", "Black people can't be racist, and as it follows, they can't be phobic.\n\nStop being racist.", ">Dave was trying to be proLGBTQ, but imo had some underlying phobias\n\n\nYeah no shit, the dude is muslim, he turned to Islam in 1991.", "That doesn't matter to the people who literally live to weaponize being offended.", ">If trans women are women.. why even have a word for \"trans women\"? \n\nGinger women.\n\nSporty women.\n\nSmart women.\n\nWhite women.\n\nAll groups you've now declared aren't women with this line of reasoning.", "YES PLEASE I'M LITERALLY SHAKING AND CRYING AND SHIDDING RN", "A guy who goes outside.", "You can say and think whatever you want. Just don’t be surprised when there are consequences. Someone with an international platform should be scrutinized. Their words carry weight and the consequences extend beyond themselves. This doesn’t just hurt people’s feelings. It emboldens others to speak and more importantly act against those groups that are being degraded.", "But the world doesn't know that you feel that way. The world treats you with all of the benefits straight white males get until you publicly state otherwise. Trans rights are important, but it's important to also understand that society can't read anyone's mind. For better or worse, we judge a book by its cover, it's part of our biology. What the OP is saying is that Caitlyn Jenner was receiving the benefits that society offers to straight white males because they appeared as a straight white male. She may have felt otherwise internally, but the world didn't know that.", "TERFs made up the word.\n\nHow it is not applicable to people making it specifically to describe their own beliefs?", "Andrew Dice Clay was a character created by Andrew Clay. Any time he was on stage, he was in character, doing an act. He was incredibly convincing, but that's not who he really was. He was actually doing a parody of the sorts of shitty guys who he had to grow up around. His real last name is Silverstein, and he's Jewish, but he was playing a dirtbag Italian from NYC.", "You poor attempt at gas lighting me isn't impressive. I am one of the few people in the thread having an honest conversation with people who have seen the show, and want to discuss pieces of it.\n\nOr maybe you should self reflect that no one about your petty insults. Have a real argument that furthers your point, or don't bother posting, you just end up on ignore anyways.", "\"My black friend would have totally laughed at that joke\"", "> Carlin's most famous bit is about how he should be able to say the word cunt.\n\nSo? It wasn't about calling women \"cunts\", it was just about the idea of censorship. If you don't understand how these two examples are radically different, then I don't think we can help you.", "If it’s “gross” - why is Daphne’s family on record saying they support the special Dave released?\n\nThere were headlines literally everywhere after the special released stating this.", "Not at all. Lay it on me.", "I think you’re right, his comedy always has a subtext, and I think this whole thing is playing out exactly how he intended. It’s more of a commentary on how we react to people or groups we disagree with than transphobia.", "He talked about that on Marc Maron podcast. good listen.", "These folks don’t want to see it.", "Chapelle was making the point that African American people will always be the ultimate underdog in a society created by White Nationalist men. LGBTQAI+ persons can hide their underdogness (whether they like it or not) when it’s expedient for them to do so whilst African Americans don’t have that privledge.", ">I don't know what was going on in her life\n\nThen maybe he shouldn't have been wildly speculating about it to an audience of millions. If he was actually as close to her as he was acting like he was, he would have been talking to the family etc and probably would have heard that she'd lost custody of the kid and so on.\n\nOr alternatively, and even worse, he absolutely did know what was going on in her life and deliberately omitted it to go \"aw gee guys I have no idea why she killed herself, and I'm definitely not saying it was the trans community's fault, but hey, maybe it was, who could know!!?!?!\"", "Honest disclaimer: haven't seen any of the specials since Chappelle's \"triumphant return\" including this current one, just forming an opinion on this very detailed comment. \n\nIt honestly sounds like he's just straight up ignorant and he's not intentionally trying to be malicious. He isn't fully aware of the LGBT community and it's history because he just doesn't know, and you could argue that this unknown has manifested into fear/phobia.\n\nWhich especially nowadays where ignorance can lead to volatile bigotry, but I truly don't think Dave is being malicious with it. He's going at it as a \"comedian/philosopher on the mic\" and trying to explore it through his soapbox stage that he's known for being on.", "Is it? Which side is trying to ban \"critical race theory\" as defined as anything that hurts white peoples feelings?", "Well, if you're incapable of understanding a pretext to a story or comedy, you must take offense to it. You must completely ignore everything that was said before and after to truly take offense to it.", "An alpha male on beta blockers", "lol I mean he cant record a special before the subsequent criticism. I take it to mean exactly the comedians he mentioned in the special, Daphne, Kevin Hart, etc. likely several others. You have to remember it’s not Dave vs only trans people, there’s a whole ‘white girl army’ also looking for targets.", "I didn't bring it up though?", "No. It's not because he made jokes about the transgender community; it's because of the specific things he said, like \"I'm team terf\", which aren't even jokes but just his opinions (and those opinions happened to be transphobic). And he frames it in a way that generates hate toward the transgender community (this comment section as an example). If you really want to understand why it's a controversy, why not ask the transgender community?", "Certainly repetitive and consistent though.", "Here is the first thing that popped into my head. \n\n\nWhen Carrie Fisher passed away someone posted this. I thought it was hilarious. https://www.reddit.com/r/toosoon/comments/5m0g1q/good\\_girl\\_carrie\\_fisher/", "Andrew Dice Clay was hilarious. I watched twenty minutes of his stuff on YouTube the other day and died laughing. \n\nI have never been able to get into Carlin. He’s always got some grand theory of everything that explains it all a little too perfectly. Some big conspiracy. People are rarely that simple, and societies are almost never that simple.", "Go back in time.. you'll laugh your ass off.", "Amen, you we missed!", "The word \"canceled\" has lost all meaning. Chappelle is one of the most popular and one of the richest comedians out there. He's not getting cancelled. He's doing just fine.\n\nHis bits and comedy evoked a reaction from some people like it always has. He himself knows he's not getting canceled.", "Yeah, I’m not following this either. There are no similarities. This isn’t Carlin predicting the damn future again ffs.", "I dont think the point is to disagree that its offensive to trans people. The point is who cares. You're not special. Everyone gets made fun of, you're not a protected species.", "r/onejoke", "Dave also doesn’t say it was due to the harassment. He says something along the lines of “it could have, I don’t know.” Nobody knows what’s really going on inside a persons head when they choose to do something like that, and any definitive statement about it is wrong.", "You're the one saying you have to have surgery to be trans, not me. I'm not the one gatekeeping here, you are.\n\nNice try though.", "\"Any of you who have ever watched me know that I have never had a problem with transgender people. If you listen to what I'm saying, clearly, my problem has always been with white people!”", "God damnit I miss that man!", "Undoubtedly", "Dave never said that bullying was the cause. \n \nHe said it probably didn't help matters.", "Honky?", "Really gross that Chappelle is trying to use her death to demonize LGBTQ people and as a shield against criticism towards himself.", "Ah yes, that most fundamental of human rights, forever transcribed in the United Nations Geneva Convention. \"thou shalt never hurt the feelings of the alphabet people\".", "Go in to your YouTube Library and History, click the X next to this video and it will \"remove from watch history\".", "I fully believe that anyone complaining about cancel culture or that \"you can't make jokes about anything anymore\" are just people whining that they now have to face consequences for what they say lol. People will say they should be allowed to say whatever they want because they have freedom of speech, and they somehow think people getting mad at them on twitter is in any way different. Getting \"cancelled\" is just people online using their freedom of speech to say that they don't like what some celebrity said/did. If everyone has to let terfs say offensive shit why are other people not allowed to say fuck those guys?", "Buddy I think if you're going to go the route of telling me to touch grass, you should learn not to generalize people who you know nothing about.", "As you start getting older you'll get what she means.", "Sure buddy, claiming to be team TERF sure explained the hypocrisy of the trans community... Also, so funny, what a joke! Ffs...", "Yeah. If he were wearing a super serious dress instead of a funny dress, it wouldn’t be funny", "I work at a trans owned company. I've asked people there and they think this is mostly fake outrage.\n\n>he said was transphobic and to say Team TERF is to outright proclaim you are in favour of hate.\n\nYou understand these are jokes right? I f comedian finished a joke like \"and I knew he was blah blah blah because I'm a fucking nazi\"\n\nYou wouldnt freak out and be like omg that guys a fuckin nazi. No you understand that most shit comedians say is completely made up", "Personally I used to consider myself a fan. I always thought of Dave as a guy who didn't take sides, just commented on them, and that's OK, maybe not the most admirable stance to take, but not one worth being angry about. But that fool said he was on \"team terf\". That shit makes it pretty clear to me. If you are on team terf, then we ain't on the same team, because that team is full of bigots.", "The bit about trans women not being able to give birth is mean spirited and wasn’t part of a joke. Most of the offensive stuff he said was not a part of his comedic routine, which is what I wish people would focus on\n\nI stand by people telling literally any joke they want, even if it doesn’t work and fails spectacularly. But my problem with Dave’s last special is he just seems like he doesn’t like trans people. That the whole subject was annoying to him\n\nPast specials he had fairly lighthearted fun talking about LGBT subjects. This special is a searing criticism and seemed to me to have the least jokes by far out of his last 3. And what a bizarre subject to take super seriously\n\nTbh, I think Dave got lazy in this special. It has nowhere near the polish of his last few. Even his big storytelling moment was a page out of his personal life instead of a piece of history he usually pulls out\n\nThe special is hot garbage, but it’s also weirdly mean spirited, and tbh it really doesn’t matter much it happened to be “punching down.” It wasn’t clever or funny. Dave just seemed angry up there", "Shock factor can go a long way with impressionable kids, but not really with adults...", "Obviously Carlin is a genius and worthy of much reverence, but I don’t see how you can compare Dice and Chappelle.", "And that is not the fault of gay and trans people.\n\nIt is not their fault that the justice system in the US has and continues to place so little value on black life and making jokes about how the Ts are making the car ride difficult for the Ls and Gs and Bs (which is a major divide-and-conquer conservative talking point) and should shut the fuck up won't change that. Making a joke about trans womens' vaginas being \"almost pussy\", \"impossible pussy\" doesn't change that. Making a joke about your trans woman friend being a \"father\" doesn't change the situation. It's disingenuous and frankly just gross to say \"black people are treated so poorly, we are still so oppressed, that I can make these jokes\".\n\nI get where he's coming from. I really do. His problem really is with white supremacy and how it still runs the country. He even said so in his bit about being at Applebee's: \"they're gay until they need to be white\". Alright? And all of the Asian gays? The black gays? The Latino gays? He's just erasing all of those people.", "I am a longtime fan of Dave’s body of work before this series of Netflix specials. The first two put out on Netflix were pretty unmemorable for me so I didn’t rush to watch this one. I don’t even remember any of the trans controversy from them.\n\nI watched the closer last night because of all of these posts. And while I can SEE where he was trying to go with the whole thing, he’s lost his goddamned mind if he thinks that it was going to be well received or clear his name.\n\n“Blackface = Trans people” is a pretty shitty take, and for someone that is trying to call people out for being offended, he’s awfully offended by everyone else. \n\nThe whole special was just a rant about trans people, and even if he presented his idea better, it was still not a comedy special, it was him standing on a soapbox bitching.", "No you're spot on, you're just actually a reasonable human not looking to cancel someone or use a comedy special as fuel for a political argument you've turned into your identity like the rest of this thread. So much anger on the internet", "What about it just being funny and not always from an angry person", "He specifically said that he did not know why she did it, but also that online bullying probably didn't help. That is absolutely true. Go find one psychological article that said online bullying prevents suicide if you want to stick to this nonsensical misinformation you're spreading. \n \nEdit: u/twatbit and I got on a weird confusing tangential argument, but they were right in that people are misinterpreting Chappelle's statements in weird, possibly harmful ways. Their concerns are definitely valid, imo.", "Exactly, Dave is a liar. He lies about the circumstances that drove Daphne to kill herself, he lies about caring that she killed herself, he lies about actually supporting the queer community.", "Just another clarification in case there was miscommunication.\n\nI mean TERFs made up the word to describe themselves, not that JKR has described herself with that word. That's why it's not derogatory. She's just promoted transphobic business and people and ideas but just hasn't bothered to say it herself yet.", "Well said, couldn't wait to stop anytime I tried to listen/watch Hicks. His attitude and demeanor are huge turn offs from his act for me. Same with Dice and Kennison, can't wrap my head around their reverence with fans.", "You don't remember because Dave didn't say that about all those women, he was speaking specifically about the Louis CK stuff. \n\n>“One lady said, ‘Louis C.K. masturbated in front of me, ruined my comedy dreams,'” he says. “Word? Well, then, I dare say, madam, you may have never had a dream. Come on, man, that’s a brittle spirit. That is a brittle-ass spirit, that is too much, this grown-ass woman.”\n\n[Source](https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/dave-chappelle-jokes-louis-ck-accuser-has-a-brittle-ass-spirit-netflix-special-1070882/)", "I watched it. I think some people are overreacting a little, but everything Carlin said still applies. It's not explicitly hateful, but it doesn't have to be to be problematic.", "because you don't seem to understand what humour is lmao\n\nanyway i'm sorry that you'll have to pretend that shows like arrested development are problematic when tobias dresses up as mrs. featherbottom, seems like an absolutely awful mental state to be in", "This a painfully oversimplified argument. Just because you use giant bold letters, doesn’t mean you’re 100% right. I see what you’re getting at, but it’s also hard to disagree that trans people in particular are having to fight for their lives right now. Every conservative outlet is screaming about genitals and bathrooms, and sports. The last administration literally took away rights of trans people that they had before. And now you have red states pushing law after law taking away rights to actual life saving medications for trans people. So yeah, I don’t think trans people are out of bounds being upset when someone of Chapelle’s power and celebrity says he’s team TERF. I am absolutely not discounting the injustices against blacks, but to act like trans people don’t face insane amounts of discrimination, hate, and violence is just willfully ignoring what’s happening in the world right now. \n\nI think this whole thing would go a lot better if everyone tried to walk in everyone’s shoes, but obviously that’s too much to ask.", ">Lmfao we just want people to not treat us like shit and call us by our names and pronouns.\n\nAnd Hitler just wanted a Germany for the Germans. How could things possibly go wrong when authoritarians push for draconian laws and compelled speech.\n\n>That’s the super secret trans agenda. Fuck off with your persecution complex.\n\nWalking and talking personification of a persecution complex accuses others of having a persecution complex is rich. Heck your entire identity is based around your persecution complex. Otherwise your \"community\" wouldn't be enforcing all of these evil policies.", "I'm not at all surprised that the kind of scum that would ever step foot in a fraternity house would enjoy the hell out of it. And Chappelle's special for that matter.", "I think if we use the word \"women\" to default to gender identity, its clear trans women are women. But if the word \"women\" defaults to biology.. than trans woman would be different than all your examples.", "Yeah, and he'd be pretty upset his comments on fucking \\Andrew Dice Clay\\ are being applied to an entirely different kind of thing what, 31 years later?", "Lmao street war? You mean Twitter?", "/r/louderwithcrowder or whatever it is", "Agreed, people aren't thinking of the context of the time.", "If you mean \"women\" as in gender identity, sure. Does the word \"women\" always refer to a gender identity in every case?", "Damn that’s beautifully put", "Hicks has always seemed a little poisoned by cynicism. There’s a reason he’s not as famous as say, Dane Cook…", "Agreed.. And as far as I'm concerned. We should be focusing on our most vulnerable right now.. The people who don't have adequate representation. I choose to put my energy into helping support the trans community, and if they say \"ouch.. that really hurt..\" then yeah.. Ouch.. You deserve to be heard and not minimized.", "I'd argue that Hicks was even more passionate than Carlin was but he was a lot more abrasive because of that. When Hicks got mad he really got mad, listen to the bits on Rush Limbaugh, or Advertising, or Reagan and Bush and he went way further than Carlin ever would. He just didn't really care about what the audience thought and therefor didn't really care about trying to connect with them, even sometimes outright making fun of them like with the flying saucer tour.", "I personally feel that Caitlyn Jenner being woman of the year seemed wrong, not because she was trans, but because the only thing she \"accomplished\" to be woman of the year was coming out as trans. There were many non-celebrity, non-millionaires who come out as trans in an environment far more harsh to trans people than Caitlyn Jenner, and who probably deserve much greater recognition, let alone famous scientist/researches/entrepreneurs/politicians. I took that joke to be Chappelle's criticism of that fact more than anything else. \n\n> Being nice to a friend who happens to be a member of a minority group doesn't mean you are an ally for that group, or even neutral about them.\n\nAnd a comedian making jokes about one group after he has been known to make fun of every other group doesn't mean he is automatically hostile.", "Clay had a bit about his wife crying about his cheating and he said something like \"look at these tits, you're telling me you wouldn't fuck her?\" \"Oh and now she's crying again\"\n\nMost callous shit ive ever heard. Guy can choke on rust.", "Umm, I mean no. Conservatives and that fuzzy political ideology in general are pro-restricted speech. It doesn’t always mean draconian, but usually around “traditional values” there is some sacredness to certain things: a conservative definition of morality, a vehement opposition to new initiatives (i.e. progressivism). There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but that’s kind of indisputable. \n\nWhat is going on with sane people, which conservatives are calling progressive to be divisive, is that in general people hear something offensive and say “hey man stop that shit.” They then choose to not spend their money, use social media to voice their dissatisfaction, or refuse to spend time on those avenues. Conservatives decry that free market of ideas, because they want to control what can and cannot be said, not that free market unless it otherwise aligns with their pre-existing views. That’s literally all “cancel culture” is: consequences within the free market of ideas.", "Lmao chill out and take chapelle's dick out of your mouth first.", "You don't think I watched the special I am defending? That's uhh fucking hilarious.", "People make jokes about every walk of life. It's just what people do. We especially make jokes about clans/groups of people. Nerds, jocks, geeks, catholics, jews, straight, bi, gay, trans, everyone is available to be made into a joke. To then say that making a joke about X group is punching down instantly means that you the person who is making that claim thinks that group is lesser. You don't have to be a part of a group to see them as equals. Being a part of that group and seeing it as punching down is self identifying as lesser, and should probably be approached more introspectively.", "I felt like the ultimate thrust of his act, that groups that are traditionally low (black people, trans people) should show more compassion to each other, and not \"punch\" each other.\n\nUnfortunately, that message sort of gets off the rails because he doesn't really criticize da baby for being homophobic and transphobic, in is effort to look at how crazy that that is what he's known for, not killing a dude in Walmart.\n\nHe took so much shit from the black community and trans community in the end. \n\nDoesn't seem like he made anyone happy and definitely hard to say if he actually reached anyone with his imploring of not punching down.", ">\nDefine power. As far as social capital goes, transgender activists (the people he's actually making fun of in this special, not transgender people) are some of the most powerful people in the country.\n\nJesus christ. Touch grass. Like for real. Go ouside and actually talk, face to face, with other human beings. \n\nYou would have to be terminally online to think that trans people have any power. They have to fight tooth and nail for everything.", "Yeah… gay people/ trans people aren’t the underdogs anymore their “lack of status in social hierarchy” has become its own source of superiority. That was Dave’s whole point about punching down.", "He isn’t. He straight up said “I’m not saying this is what caused her to kill herself, but I’m sure it didn’t help her in her final days”. That’s not misrepresenting a single thing. His story was about how Twitter turned on her for defending him and she also killed herself, whatever you take from that is whatever you take from that. He even went out of his way to say this isn’t what caused it so if you still believe it is then that’s on you.", "A lot of people seemed to have missed the joke on terf… earlier in the act he says that by definition after giving the definition that he is a feminist. The F in terf stands for feminist and was adding onto the initial joke. \n\nY’all taking a comedy too literal like he’s telling his life story.", "> Just making a point that the idea of “punching down” is everchanging and the implications of that.\n\nIt really isn't. All that changes is who is up vs. down, but the idea of punching up doesn't change.\n\n> Maybe atheists are next on the comedy chopping block.\n\nIf the atheists ever gain power than damn right we should be the subject of jokes. Not sure why you think we would object.\n\nBut here's the thing... That is a big \"if\". Because contrary to your victim fantasies, you guys are still in charge. You guys are responsible for the state of our country, not us atheists.", "I don't believe a lot of you genuinely give a shit about him 'punching down' so much as you dislike being the ones he's directing it at. If it was another group you weren't part of or sympathized with you couldn't care less, regardless of whether it was 'up' or 'down', but when it's directed your way it's suddenly unfunny and unfair.", "Indeed. I'm also a poopie butt.", "Sorry genuinely curious, what’s the big deal with the impossible pussy joke? If I was trans, I’d imagine that I’d have to accept the fact that I wouldn’t be able to give birth… honestly thought he was just making fun of recent impossible burgers, meats and such.", "As someone banned and censored for speaking out against censorship from trans advocates, they're making their own beds. I used to have tolerance for their community, but no longer, they're just the same as puritans, prohibitionists and fascists in my eyes now.\n\nI think we might reach a turning point soon where people stop bowing to their bullshit.", "I’m not getting into a conversation with someone who is on the side of cancel culture sorry bud.", "Except the Caitlyn Jenner thing wasn’t even really a joke. Jesus guys. These observations are fucking third grade level.\n\nYeah Dave, we understand that it’s quite the bold choice to give a newly outed trans woman “woman of the year.” Yeah Dave, we know trans women don’t get their period. Ty Dave. This is a funny and enlightening special\n\nThis special was hot dogshit. If Dave revealed the jokes were actually written by a literal third grader I wouldn’t be surprised. He exclusively focused on surface level observation and failed to ever make a clever point. This is just obvious shit", "His essays were fantastic too", "Dice is a character. Andrew Clay (Silverstein) is a Jew, doing a parody of Brooklyn Italians from back in the day. He's actually making fun of the Italian guys he grew up around, by showing what pieces of shit they were.\n\nI'm in the Midwest, and completely surrounded by hicks, Trumpers and rural dumbasses. So, I decide to become \"Cody Wrangler\" and my whole skit is about \"all these here homos an' lib'ruls\" and I say absolutely abhorrent shit. People think I'm Cody, but Cody is fictional, and I'm using him to tell the story of the shitty people I've grown up around my whole life. I don't have to be funny, per se, I just have to be an asshole, because they're assholes.", "I think I'm team terf wasn't meant to be taken seriously", "He literally left the stages 15 years ago because of the White comefians making racist jokes... And now that black muslim dude is making people mad with transphobic jokes, and he's going to die on that hill.", "Calling trans women men is the equivalent of burning a cross on a Black family's lawn. You can't \"it was just a joke, bro!\" your way out of it.", "aisle\n\nYou're still right, though.", "Is Dave Chappelle a gynecologist?", "Because of intersectionality, it's actually impossible to determine who the true underdogs are.\n\nChappelle has wealth privilege despite being black and Muslim while white LGBT people have white privilege despite being LGBT. And the specific LGBT activists trying to cancel Dave have wealth privilege as well.\n\nIt's very silly and pointless to determine who the true underdog is.", "Well fuck me running Carlin knew comedians pretty well", "I had never heard of Mitch Hedberg before I came to reddit, and I am befuddled by his popularity here. It's like a parallel universe with lower comedic standards.", "\nYeah he did. And now he seems completely full of himself. And I’m a long time fan", "Dave never claimed that though. He just said it probably didn't help, which is a safe bet.", "I guarantee no dumbfuck liberal throwing their typical, childish bitch fits over Chapelle even watched the special to see the alleged offenses the woke trans loons were freaking out about.", "Jeselnik comedy is meant to be so absurd that you can't take it seriously.", "or he just mailed it in because he gets paid by Netflix regardless.", ">mean, we're literally talking about a movement whose figureheads have pushed to make it illegal for trans people to use the bathroom that corresponds to their gender,\n\nGender identity but yeah there is no good reason for bathroom exclusion. Actually bathrooms should all be unisex. Locker rooms though... post OP yes pre op idk.", "I couldn’t even 2 mins.", "Who said I'm \"on the side of cancel culture\"? It's cringe because you're assuming you're objectively right, and anyone who disagrees with you is \"on the wrong side of history\". That's yet to be determined, you don't know how the future will turn out. If you mean people who ignore cancel culture are morally* wrong, or logically wrong, then that's one thing, but historically wrong? That doesn't even make sense.", ">This man took over a decade off, away from the spotlight, in part because he felt like some of his work on Chappelle's Show was being enjoyed by racists and he didn't like that. \n\nEXACTLY. And now he's the fucking bigoted asshole trying to be the victim.", "I didn't say anyone has been canceled or censored. The cancel effort is clearly being made - and clearly not going to succeed. And I agree 100% about freedom of speech for all.", "Are we the baddies?", "He said he loves wordplay, not that he was good at it.", ">I mean, its not so cut and dry as that. He also, within the same segment states \"trans women are women\", which TERFS clearly do not believe. \n\nI don't think he ever says that.\n\nHe says that he won't say they aren't women.... but... which is the classic move to try to defend a following ignorant statement.\n\nHe also, right before that showed he doesn't think the identities of trans men are valid. He referred to many of them as women.\n\n>Gender is a fact, this is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on Earth had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on Earth. That is a fact. Now… I am not saying that to say, that trans women aren’t women. I’m just sayin, that those pussies that they got… You know what I mean?\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>So clearly we cannot take only one of these statements and ignore the other.\n\nClearly you can.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>The thing Chappelle agreed with in the segment was that there is a lived experience difference between AFAB and transwomen, and that there are biological differences. \n\nThat came after he said he agreed with them which he actually said after he described them as hating* trans women and believing their mere existence was comparable to a blackface performance.", "Are you suggesting someone's physical anatomy defines their gender? It's almost as if a lack of common sense and logical consistency goes part in parcel with people who are perpetually offended.", "The fuck are you talking about. My point is he doesn’t completely base his perception of the world based on Twitter politics like the people he was criticizing in that special, including you, clearly do.", "Wow what an amazing response. You really added to the conversation by telling people to kill them selves.", ">Ps. Get dunked on \n> \n>u/mikimao \n> \n>lmao\n\nDude, did you really hop on an barely used account JUST to tell me this?!?\n\nHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\n\nYou just made my day, lol.", ">being killed because somebody panicked when they didn't see the genitalia they prefer\n\nGosh all those lesbians who are shocked to see the divine feminine penis should just shut up and get raped according to that logic. Evil.\n\n>having to pay absurd sums of money to just be comfortable in the body they were born in\n\nMaybe we should be working on drugs to make people comfortable in the bodies they were born in rather than spending absurd amounts of money going the other way. This is ridiculous. I'm not an Olympic athlete pls gib monies thx\n\n>having to worry about whether they can take a shit in a public bathroom without getting accused of being a pervert, getting harassed, or worse\n\nThis is a non issue. Most places have bathrooms for other or wheelchair. Otherwise go with the genetalia you actually have as to where to shit. Its overcomplicating an issue. if there weren't so many reports of trans identifying perverts and rapists taking advantage of lax gender policies maybe it wouldn't be such a concern to people. \n\n>having higher rates of depression, suicidality, and other mental comorbidities until they get the treatment(s) they need\n\nSo you're saying trans people have mental comorbidities and are depressed and suicidal but the way to solve the issue is to make everyone else annoyed by their demands? The needs of the few don't outweigh the needs of greater society. It sucks I guess for them.", "You think trans people \"wield significant power\"?", ">Every conservative outlet is screaming about genitals and bathrooms, and sports. The last administration literally took away rights of trans people that they had before. And now you have red states pushing law after law taking away rights to actual life saving medications for trans people\n\nLet's start with genitals bathrooms and sports..... which of these is necessary for life?\n\nAs far as I understand you are talking about mental difficulties associated with being a minority.\n\nEVERY minority deals with this. VISIBLE minorities deal with it every second of every minute of every day they are in view.\n\nThere's no second state that produces the mental harmony trans people are after with surgery. No black to white conversion. \n\nNope. Black people are fighting to be people. Trans people are fighting to be a specific gender identity.\n\notherwise give black people a safe space. Give them equal opportunities. Give them freedom from violence.\n\nBut don't dare argue its on the same level cause you immediately lose anyone that's faced the wrath of visible discrimination since before they had an idea of their sexual or gender orientation. \n\nThere's no escape on the side. You can't convert super well and pretend to be white such that no one would even notice\n\nThey didn't get to declare black people are people in a decade. IT TOOK CENTURIES AND MILLIONS OF LIVES....and it's still not solved.\n\nBut some how sexual satisfaction surpasses all of that.", "Right. There's even something that I can respect about the subtext hidden there. Afaik, he never actually apologized. He explained it doesn't work now and how his thinking when he formed the joke has changed with time, etc. I mean we kind of get there with the regretting any pain he may have caused, bit, but that seems flat in terms of apologies.\n\nAt the end of the day, I think that Eddie Murphy has some issues with the LGBTQ community. I may be wrong, but it's my read on it. And that's fine. He's admitted it's not something to be brought up publicly and hasn't. Seems like the way to handle it.", "It doesn't default to biology.\n\nAll my examples are different from all my examples.\n\nYour point?", "And though he never said it, I think his point, and the point you've also made, and the point our society is missing right now, is the concept of nuance.\n\nSo many issues in the last decade, not just minority, social justice issues, were much less black and white than the sound bites they have been distilled to. Thanks Twitter.", "Such a silly topic that has consumed so many peoples attention", "Yet Chapelle's comedy is almost a Ted talk, so yeah, really different from a \"comedian\" and more like your regular controversy hungry commentator.", "I think the Dave believes he is punching up because he sees part of this issue as being white people who want something different and how they've been able to circumvent a lot of civil rights issues by being white.\n\nI think at the same time he may want to be a little more self-reflective about why he quit the Dave Chappelle Show because of how he felt he was painting the black community towards the white community and he thought he was doing the black community a disservice because of that.", "Seems like you didn't watch it.", "> Carlin wants Dice to self censor. He's not pushing it, but it's clear that's what he thinks would be better.\n\nYes. Self-censor. Do you really not understand the difference between choosing what you say with care and being told what you can say? It's really not a complicated concept.", "The point is that no one but Dave saw any harassment. No proof of harassment has ever been shown.", "“Woman of the year” is just vain bull shit. It’s a private company that purposely picks winners that will get attention. Hitler was “man of the year” because it made a good attention grabbing headline\n\nHow is this an interesting point to make? Dave felt 10 steps behind on this special. It’s a bullshit award givin by a private company. How is this a reflection upon our society? Probably more so that outrage sells well\n\nThis was some amateur comedian level of analysis", "\n>this idea that people are born as \"one true inner gender\" (aka a woman born in a man's body, a man born in a woman's body, etc) isn't really constructive or necessarily representative of actual trans experiences.\n\nAdmittedly, I was mostly speaking on my own experiences in life. I'd much rather people refer to me as a woman when talking about my past self, as I definitely feel like I've always been a woman, but only discovered it later in life.\n\n\n>It also ignores that for the majority of her life Caitlyn was treated and socialized as a white man, with the experience and privilege that grants, and now a trans woman, with the experience that entails. This is just to say that Caitlyn's life isn't representative of the struggles of a CIS woman, but instead that of a trans woman. Neither is more or less legitimate than the other, but they're different.\n\nI also admit I haven't really considered the fact she did enjoy the privileges which most cis men get. That's my bad. And I agree that she faces women's struggles differently as a trans woman. But as you said, they thinks you need to have a cis woman's experience in order to be considered for the woman of the year award, which would imply that they don't see trans women as women, which is blatant transphobia. And from the other comment they left me, I'm 100% sure they don't see trans women as women.", "He was clearly a liberal but not one of these pacific northwest SJW type liberals. Yes he would have hated the current climate.", "Yea, that reply to your comment was straight up the worst attempt at deflection I've ever seen. Just flat out wrong, lol.", "Clay was also playing a persona. Andrew Dice Clay is a character, not even his real name. If anything his act was less punching down and more shining a mirror on real behavior and beliefs. We laugh because his character seemed so over the top to be unbelievable, but as we have found out over the last 10 years those characteristics in people are not just common, but prevalent in some circles.", "So many of y’all fail to miss the joke he made here. Earlier on in the act he said (after reading the Webster definition to the audience) that he was by definition a feminist. Later on he follows up with the TERF joke since the F in it stands for feminist. \n\nY’all taking a joke act and acting like this was him reading his autobiography.", "I would never put Andrew and Dave on the same level lol", "Post proof of harassment.", "No. That's what YOU took from the bit. Nobody seems to have taken the same lesson. It's okay to have anger but don't put it on others.", "He spent 3 specials essentially bitching about Twitter, about twitter politics.", "Gawd. The memories. We had George Carlin albums back in the day. I remember his weather man and sports reporter bits.", "\"I'm not racist, I have a black friend!\"", "Well, he really seems to care enough to do two netflix specials around it.", "You cant punch down on Dave Chappelle, the dude is rich and famous.", "This is a perfect Reddit post because you can interpret Carlin’s comments to be supportive of Chappeles special, or critical of chapelles special.", "Off the top of my head, I like Daniel Tosh, Anthony Jesselnek, Bo Burnham, Christopher Titus, Weird Al, John Mulaney, Louis CK, Bill Cosby (his comedy was great, himself as a person, no so much), Tim Minchin, Bill Burr, and assorted others.\n\nEdit - Thought of some more.\n\nRandy Feltface, Josh Blue (or I did like him until I heard him using literally the same jokes for years on different shows and in person).", "Why are you insulting my intelligence?\n\nDid you not like my joke?\n\nDo you think saying that joke is an indicated or stupidity?\n\nBit harsh.", "I said it from the start that 90% of the people who got mad didn’t even watch it.", "I literally never said it was problematic lmao I just said I don’t find it funny. I even said I sometimes find it funny depending on the situation. My entire point is that it has to actually be a joke in order for me to find it funny, not just a man in a dress.", "drops mic", "Caitlyn's life experience isn't representative of a trans woman's experience either, or else I wouldn't be on year 5 of trying to save up for surgeries.", "Are you suggesting Dave Chappelle should be expressing a professional opinion about any women's bodies?", "Not really the same situation though. I feel like Dave needed that space to speak about his experience being friends with a trans person who was bullied to death by their own community. I’m trying to understand why the topic of his friend’s death is swept under the rug in almost every discussion I see about his special.", "> Does it matter to you that you are seen as woman\n\nAssuming my loved ones see me as who I am (and fortunately that's the case) then it doesn't matter to me how strangers see me, but what they say and how they act based on how they see me does matter quite a bit.", "\"This is my last special because *I have an objective tonight*...I'd like to start by *addressing the LGBTQ community directly* and I want every member of that community to *know that I come here tonight in peace.*\" 9m35s\n\n\"God damnit *look* *how well this movement is going*. *Look how* *well you are doing*. And we have been trapped in this predicament for hundreds of years, *how* the fuck are you making that kind of progress?\" 13m46s\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDave's the GOAT.", "You are suggesting the word woman does not default to biology.. is it EVER ok to use the word woman, referring to biology?", ">Do you not realize you're the one who is trying to silence people?\n\nI am not trying to silence anyone, please quote me specifically where I did that.\n\nI have done nothing but try and converse with people who want to discuss the actual content of the show with our resorting to insults. If you can't converse without insulting others or trying to frame their arguments for them, then I won't waste my time with you, because you are being abusive back.\n\nIf you want my logic for why you are trying to silence them, it is very simple - You aren't framing his argument, you are saying what he is saying can only be what you posted in your 8 parts. You misinterpreted and misrepresented multiple things, here are a few:\n\n\\> He always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community.\n\nNo, he explicitly went out of his way to detached the LGBTQ community from people he finds harmful online. If you really want to argue the finer points, post a transcript so we can go over the lines.\n\n\\> He didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter\n\nHe absolutely did - He went out of his way to say twitter wasn't a real place, and remove it directly from the LGBTQ community. The larger part of the toxicity not even being recognized in the show is part of where the \"silence\" mentality came from, you aren't even representing both sides equally.\n\n\\> Regarding the insinuation that the LGBTQ community responsible for Daphane's death,\n\nAgain, total misrepresentation. He even said as much in the show that it's HIS emotional reaction to the situation that makes him feel that way, and it's way more complex than that. At the end of the the ultimate conclusion was \"I am sure it didn't help\". Do you think it helped? Is there any evidence that the support he is going to be giving Daphne's daughter isn't real?\n\nI am willing to discuss any of this with you, I am not trying to silence anyone, but if you are going to be abusive in the way you form your arguments, I won't waste my time with you.", "I don’t agree with this personal opinion you have articulated here, but I respect you right to believe it.", "My 'feeling' is that people liked Andrew's comedy because he was saying things that weren't supposed to be said--to be coarse, uncouth. Not rocket science. So Carlin had his parameters while others (such as Dice) had theirs. Shouldn't be any protected classes, per se, if you're part of humanity then you can get ribbed like everyone else. Not punching up or down.", "Also a hilarious hill to die on with 4 Netflix comedy specials that he was paid 50 million dollars for. Truly, poor Chapelle, all this woke criticism is going to ruin him", "The lesbian bit about hey which one of you wants to come home, cook me dinner and give me a blowjob?", "I get that, but it doesn’t really matter what we think. If a community says something is fucked up, we listen.", "the producers of all in the family also produced good times, where they turned one of the young male characters into a stereotype spouting catch phrases. when the main actor John Amos objected to this, he was fired from the show\n\ni do not think it is progressive ifor white male cis writers rooms to continue to control the industry and continue to pump out fake woke conservatism like Silicon Valley, Big Bang Theory, Game of Thrones, and on and on because of artistic freedom. What we clearly see is that these people believe some people's freedom is more important than others.", "Dudes a peice of shit and sold out. Hes just another out of touch comedian. \n\nWhat's hilarious is he stopped doing black jokes because he realized people were laughing for the wrong reasons, but for some reason the LGBT community is different.", "That's because being a bigoted asshole does not always make money. It may work for him, but not for everyone.", "I couldn’t agree less", "Refer to the comment above", "This idea that comedy should only be used against those in power is purely a matter of opinion, as are all abstract topics humans have concocted.", "It seems like a weird intentionally offensive macho-Brooklyn shtick. I hate judging people with 40 years of hindsight, but I can’t picture that being funny then and certainly not now. I’m not a fan when anyone goes that hard on anything. I think the closest I get to that is Daniel Tosh lol.", "Okay meaning \"makes sense\", no.\n\nFemale is biological.", "Posted and defended by the very people Dave makes fun of for being exactly like this. These people are just too stupid and dense to understand the irony. The annoying and misguided wing of LBTQ. Keyboard warriors who think Twitter is real life. Fuck off, Dave’s a beast.", "The difference is now a lesbian is running your school.", "As a cis man, you can't really turn that question on us like that because gender identity isn't anything we ever have to grapple with, so it's astoundingly easy for us to brush it off without really considering what it means to not be seen as who we feel we are inside.", "💯 this ….the context and the points are way off of what is going on with Chappelle. The one part that applies is everyone should be defending his right to say what he’s saying.", "The modern issue is taking hormones and getting surgery to “confirm” your gender.", "Wdym he constantly qualifies that he believes in Trans people and he has nothing against them, David literally referred to his friend with the proper pronouns the entire special (except for the joke that SHE herself would laugh at). AT no point does he misgender anyone during that entire special lol. The joke was he was \"team-terf\" because jk rolling said gender was a fact, and if thats all you gotta say to be a terf then he was one. I don't understand why you have to shit on someone so vehemently when there is clearly nuance and valid differing opinions.", "And the reason I bring up sex specifically is because much of the violence in the trans community stems from engaging in risky sexual practices.\n\nThe argument might be well that's cause that's what they have to do...\n\nDo for what? Orgasms aren't a right? Sexual satisfaction or love is not part of the package of human rights.\n\nSafety and security absolutely for everyone. So long as you can urinate and deficate without being Assaulted I really don't give a flying fuck what appears on the door as I walk in. So sure make em all stalls one size fits all done", "He said Louis CKs victims had brittle ass spirits because they said they quit comedy after the experience. Kevin Hart did not quit comedy after what happened and did everything he could to save his career\n\nThat was a very dumb comparison to make", "[Her family said she faced bullying](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10084515/Daphne-Dorman-trans-woman-bullied-death-defending-Dave-Chappelle.html). Pretending trans bullying doesn't happen online is simply absurd. Worse, it seems an intentional lie being pushed to gaslight. All of my trans friends are bullied online, *and* some are even being bullied now for defending Chappelle from this exact sort of toxic nonsense.", "Different only in scale, not in meaning.", "This. Most of these assholes are completely missing the whole point of not just DC’s specials but a lot of comedy in general.", "This is the cringiest comment I’ve ever seen. I actually agreed with you up to a certain point but you went way off the deep end", "Wow, so you are saying Dave Chapelle is dishonest with his arguments? What a surprise lol", "I don't think it's a bad idea", "lmao the joke is predicated on the man being in a dress, hence it being intrinsically funny and now you've just admitted to finding it funny irrespective of apparently wanting extra fluffing before you feel like you can laugh\n\nkids these days man, fuuuuuuuuuuck oooooooooooofffffff", "[Her family's statements](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10084515/Daphne-Dorman-trans-woman-bullied-death-defending-Dave-Chappelle.html). They say she had PTSD and was bullied. If you think that didn't happen online, too, I have a bridge to sell you.", "Yeah it's the classic bigot denial that they're a bigot.\n\nPeople who arent transphobic dont pretend saying \"I'm team TERF\" is a joke.", "Potentially. It’s hard to really know for sure. I get that he can really rub people the wrong way but personally I think he has a good heart. It’s his job to present ideas in an edgy way but at no point have I ever thought he genuinely had any real hate for anyone.\n\nAt the end of the day, comedy comes down to intent.", "This is not the Dave Chappell situation at all. Huh?", "Bingo. Not to mention that George Carlin isn't advocating censoring or boycotting anyone's speech, he is simply stating what he thinks about certain types. Chapelle's take was nuanced", "Good work, you just repeated the bullshit that came out of a bigot to justify himself.", "I think it's more like \"I had my eyes opened by a friend that helped me understand that everyone, even if I don't understand them, deserve respect and recognition because they are people too\". Fixed that for you.", "That explanation really doesnt hold up", "He ain't no messiah bru", "Do you know what the phrase \"hill to die on\" means? Cause I don't think you do...", "Thé goat.", "Coolio, so we completely agree haha", "I don't consider Chappelle a shock value comedian. He's more of an ironic absurdist. He makes fun of stereotypes by exaggerating them. That was most of Chappelle show..", "Exactly.\n\nHe also says \"but I'm a transphobic\" like three or four times, clearly as part fo the joke not being serious. I took his team TERF as an obvious quick joke as part of the larger joke build up, if you watch the special ots obviously a throw away line as part of the Kaitlyn WotY joke.", "This is a troll account, right? This has to be a copypasta.", "Okay, let me put it this way: none of us in the LGBT+ community really want her for woman of the year or as a truly inspiring figure. She actually does a lot more harm than good, at least after coming out. I agree, most of us queer folk definitely agree, and I would bet that most trans people would agree that there are more deserving trans women for that title. But the way he framed his joke was less about that and more just about the fact that he believes trans women aren't women, which is why he also went on about agreeing with JK Rowling and implying her treatment was unfair.\n\nIt also doesn't mean what he says is automatically benign.", "This is it, my limit. I'm done. I'm muting the word Chappelle on fucking everything, can we shut up about this asshole for like 5 seconds?", "Did I say I wanted to force you to? No I didn’t. You’re free to misgender people and thus labeling yourself as an asshole but being an asshole comes with social consequences. I don’t go around insulting everyone I see and then not expect them to be bothered by it, and if I did I would be a really dumb piece of shit, wouldn’t I? All it takes is changing a few words to make people feel good about themselves, it’s just common courtesy like saying hello and goodbye. Also really? A hitler comparison?\n\nAs for me I have tangible evidence I’m persecuted in the form of the wide variety of legislation being put forth by people to limit my rights. Also to call it evil to not be a dick to people is proof of what a sad little troll you are. Im misgendered and called awful shit by people regularly and I am a hell of a lot nicer too them than I should be, because the second one of you dickheads pokes at someone and get poked back you do this and claim incivility despite being the one to start it.", "What fans are having their livelihood at risk? I’m not talking about Daves response, I’m talking about the thin skinned people on here", "I, for one, do not know what he means.", "I think thats depends on what you think terfs represent. I've read on here that terfs think trans arent human or whatever which is nonsense (for the most part). Women like JK rowling simply dont think trans women are equal women which is different than being equal people. Trans women and cis women issues and experiences dont always overlap so the distinction is important to them.", "\n\nSo [this article](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/signature_obgyn/patient_information/ask_expert/gynecology-q-a/how-often-do-I-need-a-pap-smear.html#:~:text=Women%20should%20start%20Pap%20smear,the%20cause%20of%20cervical%20cancer.) doesn't make sense? It makes more sense to change what \"woman\" means, so that woman always means identity? You do see how this could be considered a little bit difficult or tedious at least from a language perspective right? \n\n>A Pap smear is used to screen women for cervical cancer. Years ago, women had a Pap smear at each annual visit, but today Pap smears have improved and we know cervical cancer takes many years to develop. Women should start Pap smear screening at age 21. Between the ages of 21-29,", "In the United States the people in government are literally trying to take away the rights of the LGBT community. People are killed just for the fact they are trans. What are you on about", "I'm not gonna shit on people and think they have lower standards than I do. To think my opinion is somehow better than their opinion is silly. I just think it's silly that trying to say you don't like what \"the hivemind\" likes will get you silenced (downvoted until you have to actively click a comment for it to show up, like is happening right now).\n\nredditors don't like when others don't like what they like, and they will silence you for having \"wrong\" opinions.", "That is a pretty apt description of how they view it", "Was he respectful to any trans person that wasn't his friend?", "Watch the video above. You obviously didn’t. \n\nHe’s also a human being. He could try not being an a-hole to marginalized people? It’s not “an oppression Olympics”, chill out there Tucker. It’s a group of people tired of being used for cheap jokes whilst politicians make it legal for them to be denied housing.\n\nIf there were an “oppression Olympics” white, conservative, Christian’s would win that hands down. Ignore trans being denied medical care or housing. Ignore them and gays being disowned by parents. NOTHING compares to being a white, conservative, Christian and being called racist on twitter and Starbucks taking away “merry Christmas” cups!!!1!11 DO YOU KNOW WHAT THATS LIKE?!? /s", "This. \n\nPeople who conform to gender stereotypes are confined by them. \n\nI am who I am and I do what I do without causing harm to others. Call that what you what, I call it \"me.\"", "You might want to reread the title of your post again then.", "As a thought experiment: when Hillary Clinton called a significant chunk of Trump supporters a “basket of deplorables” she was punching down, right? I don’t give a shit about Trump and actively hate the dude but she was punching down and pretty much deserved all of the shit she got for that, right?", "This is an aside I guess, but when he explained what TERF was the first thing I thought was,\"The majority of women I know are basically TERFs then because the majority of women I know even if they support trans rights resent trans women for taking ownership of women's struggles as if they were treated as women since birth.\" \n\n\nBut on second thought - labels in general are pretty obnoxious... people make acronyms for everything these days or nicknames so they can put people in a box. Fuck people who put people in a box.", "Yes. Was in high-school at this time. 2 live crew/Jerkey Boys prank calls/Andrew Dice Clay was popular casset tape trading material in the late 80s-early 90s.", "Well it's a good thing he immediately explained it right afterwards...\n\nHave you even watched the special?", "That's a shame. Dude had some serious drug problems but he did manage to clean up eventually.", "Both parties are right wing, corporatist parties wholly devoted to capitalism and making big bucks for their donors. There's no left in America. Just \"a little less right\". Anything even close to centrism in America is deemed communist. \n\nThe \"left\" in America are just as crazy. They're strict, Victorian era language police, who are just as conservative but in different ways. They too follow exploitative, dogmatic leaders who present crazy arguments about meaningless shit like toys being pink. Abortion, guns, vaccines and other nonsense are the talking points. A political atmosphere of constant negative attack and fear. And neither party is interested in toning it down.\n\nThe vast majority of Americans are moderates in life. Yet there's no moderate voices in their politics. America is the only country I've ever been to where they make their politics part of their identity. \"I'm a democrat\" \"I'm a republican\". Imagine making something like that your identity, locking yourself into whatever crazy shit that party decides is the big ticket issue.", "You are grossly and seemingly intentionally distorting his words. He very clearly stated that she had many issues, which he clearly didn't want to go into for the sake of her privacy. Then, he said that bullying doesn't help matters. He absolutely did not say nor imply that cyber bullying was the cause. It was pretty damn hard to misinterpret. \n \nFurther, no. He was not being irresponsible. His words are being twisted, again, seemingly intentionally. The logical leaps needed to twist his words into what you claim are enormous.", "Yes. He said that. After telling a 20 min story about how great he was to her and building up the online hate he claims she received for supporting him. \n\nThat uncontextualized quote misrepresents the thrust of the bit.", "If that's what you took from Hicks, he's definitely not for you. \n\n>\n“Today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration, that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively, there is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the Weather.”\n\n>― Bill Hicks", "No no no.\n\nWe need to construct a hierarchy and determine a precise lineage of who the most oppressed and disadvantaged people are. \n\nWe'll then appoint a high council of active Twitter users to identify any occurrences where a person with a higher privilege rating speaks about any person or group ranked lower than themselves.\n\nOnce all the offenders have been removed from public discourse, we'll be free of this dystopian hell where people can say things other people disagree with.", "\"This guy killed, now have you ever tried DMT?\" \n\n- an anonymous podcaster", "SNL now doesn't even get a cough anymore. Shits on life support with Kenan Thompson doing all he can to pump some fucking life into it.", "Sorry for the hate you're getting on this, because this is way better than 99% of the critiques I've read. You've addressed his work directly and accurately, whereas so many others misrepresented it in ridiculous ways that killed their credibility and reinforced his points.\n\nIf you're a part of the trans community I hope you are able to bring this to him at the sit down he's made an invite for. So much to learn in what you wrote.\n\nIn any case hope this gets a bigger platform than deep in the reddit comments.", "No one is literally forcing anyone to do anything. A bunch of people are saying Netflix shouldn’t finance Dave. It’s an opinion. \n\nIt’s like when Joe Rogan was signed by Spotify. By being a customer of Spotify I’m indirectly financing vaccine misinformation. So, what am I to do? I let Spotify know I disagree with them supporting Joe and if they refuse I cancel my subscription. That’s what’s happening here. Subscribers are indirectly financing Dave, Netflix caters their content for their viewers. No one is out of line for saying “I think what that guy said is hateful and I don’t want you to keep paying him”. \n\nYou know, for people that claim to believe in free expression you sure do have a problem with people voicing their opinions.\n\nDave is a worldwide famous comedian, his voice is heard. It seems that it’s only people that disagree with making him richer that have to shut up. Wonder why that is?", "You are allowed to have an opinion if you aren't trans. I don't need trans' peoples permission to take a stance.", "All of terfs are women....", "I feel [LENNY BRUCE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHW51JGtzS4) has been forgotten, in how he very much told it like it is with no Apologies,much like Carlin, Hicks and Chapelle, Murphy, Pryor. If you want to check out the black and white movie about him called Lenny. \n\nThe American Constitution was not written to protect criminals; it was written to protect the government from becoming criminals - LB", "Nice Kafka-trap bru. Respect for how tight that one is.", "I think I saw him too late, as well. I'm pretty sure Denis Leary stole most of his act from Hicks but I saw Leary first, so I like Leary. It's weird how that happens.", "They want the perception of taking care of the little guy, but both parties are corporate shills, bought by industry to ensure their success in spite of the general welfare.", "He was just so angry. I listen to comedy because I want to laugh, not because I want to be reminded what it's like to be yelled at. Total turn off. I can appreciate his humor, but I can't tolerate his delivery.", "Carlin is dogmatically contrarian. It's his schtick.", "So most of your audiences aren’t in on the joke? They just laugh and clap along to you saying abhorrent shit?", "[Don't let it set in, dude. Don't let it.](https://i.redd.it/zfawv35zvah21.jpg)", "Yes, and Oliver Stone made a movie about it. Back and to the left. The JFK thing barely pass as a conspiracy. So it's a bit dishonest to lump that in with the right wing conspiracy bs going on these days.\n\nAnd he mainly argued that weed and psychedelia makes little sense to outlaw. Something the laws are catching up to these days.\n\nSo sorry, but I don't think you have any valid reason to put him in the same category as Rogan.", "Exactly. That was Carlin. Which is why I guess any side can take what he says and apply it to their enemy. It’s just kind of pathetic when those people can’t understand it probably applies to them to", "Dave or the person I replied to?", "South Park is way more intelligent than this idiot", "It’s not “fluffing” it’s called set-up Lmao, it’s literally the first half of a joke. If there’s no set-up, the punchline doesn’t work. If the situation sets the man in a dress up to be funny, then there we go. But if the set-up is “here’s a man in a dress”, theres really nothing going for it. I’m trying to explain it simply", "Said by a wealthy man who would've been imprisoned, or killed, for his material almost anywhere else.", ">LOL. What?\n\nSo no answer huh?\n\n>I just listed a single quote that refuted literally everything you just tried to claim.\n\nStill waiting for you to quote what was asked.\n\nGo ahead, I'll ask again:\n\n1) Please quote where I believe there is a line that Dave crosses.\n\n2) Please quote where I said that line \"ends on\" trans people\n\n>I wonder if you will delete your previous comment or leave it to save face?\n\nStill no answer huh?", "No I’m saying Dababy killed DaMan in DaSelf Dafence", "Chappelle is a beast. He's hilarious, intelligent, and logical.\n\nWhen he has something to say, I will always listen.", "Democrats are the non dominant hand of the corporate entity in control of our politicians.", "The is perfectly accurate. He doesn't care about what anyone does with their lives. He's attacking aggressive hypercorrectivism/hypersensitivity.", "Yeah that’s understandable, don’t we all", "While I agree with everything Carlin is saying, I think to take the stance of “_X_ group of people are off-limits” is also the wrong approach. Comedy has always been equal opportunity, just like everyone has the equal and opposite right to refuse to consume any comedians body of work.", "> Well it's a good thing he immediately explained it right afterwards...\n\nNo he didn't lol. Feel free to copy-paste the section from the special where he \"explains it\", because the full quote is floating around somewhere in this thread and there is no explanation to be found within.", "I'm not white nor is any of my family and we got 1 post op and 2 transitioning members who all like Dave.", "I said the exact thing and even said Dave was in his Andrew Dice Clay phase where he is punching down scooping up low hanging fruit", "Exactly. Won't someone think of the poor millionaire whose comedy special has been taken down because of... ah, wait, I'm being told his comedy special has not been taken down and is still doing impressive numbers on Netflix, and Chappelle was paid millions in advance anyway so what the fuck does he care either way, but still. Still! Won't someone please think of Chappelle and make these mean trans people stop hurting him so much.", ">I think Dave's whole premise for the special was that he didn't believe in the punching up/down argument.\n\nYou don't have to \"believe\" in something for it to be true. If I did a whole special about how the earth is flat people should attack it\n\n>At the end of the special he says \"stop punching down\" and he's talking about comedians and how this online mob attacked his friend.\n\nHis whole fucking show was punching down", "He did not explicitly say it, but it was heavily implied that Daphne killed herself because of the alleged harassment on the part of the LGBT community. Dave didn't bring anything else up, he didn't clarify there was no indication she killed herself because of online harassment. If you rewatch that specific bit, he lays a pretty heavy implication to allow the audience to come to their own conclusion.\n\nHow else would an uninformed audience interpret being given the information that Daphne received online harassment, and then immediately after being told that Daphne killed herself? Your average spectator would draw a fairly direct line between those two things, especially when there is certainly precedent for people killing themselves over online harassment. It is up to Dave, someone who probably spent hundreds of hours carefully picking every word and practicing the exact delivery of every line he spoke for his multi million dollar Netflix special, to not misrepresent what actually happened. However, it helped his political point to weaponize Daphnes suicide against the Twitter mobs.\n\nEdit: Since I'm getting down votes for being factually correct, here's Dave's words. This is pretty blatant attempt to mislead his audience into having a pretty negative view of the LGBT online community.\n\n> Beautiful tweet, beautiful friend, it took a lot of heart to defend me like that, and when she did that the trans community dragged that bitch all over Twitter. For days, they was going in on her, and she was holding her own ’cause she’s funny. But six days after that wonderful night I described to you my friend Daphne killed herself. Oh yeah, this is a true story, my heart was broken. Yeah, it wasn’t the jokes. I don’t know if was them dragging or I don’t know what was going on in her life but I bet dragging her didn’t help. I was very angry at them, I was very angry at her.\n\nHe jumps right from online harassment to \"then she killed herself\". I literally cannot imagine a more textbook example of leading others to a conclusion without explicitly stating it. The only reason Dave didn't make the claim explicitly is because even he knew it was bullshit.", "I didn’t read any of this trash except the first couple lines — you should know that anyone in the LGBTQ community who sexually assaults people has, definitely, absolutely be cancelled. As a gay guy it is so fucking weird to see how mad you are at your perceived victimhood. To be honest it’s kind of scary.\n\nIf what you said was true, then the “Kevin Spacey” defense would’ve worked. “We can’t cancel him because he is gay!” Yes the fuck we can. The left cancelled Al Franken too. Grow up man", "The Diceman is a genius. If you don't realize that, you probably don't \"get\" comedy .", "I live in a state with the results of taking care of the little guy. It works.", "In healthcare, any information written for public/patient education must be at a 5th grade level in some cases.", "It reads fine. I’m saying the commentary he made back then applies to today, because it does. I never said they were the same people making the same tier of joke.", "Le epic reply, kind sir", "I think there’s a lot of dishonesty on every side of this cancel culture debate, which is typical of most debates. On one hand, there’s no denying the historical power imbalance that POC/LGBTQ have faced. On the other hand, to rally against the eponymous lead of a number-one network show (Roseanne) and get her fired despite ratings, or in Dave’s case, to rally against someone whose comedy special is objectively a huge, huge hit, regardless of anyone’s subjective assessment of its quality, and make it so he has a hard time finding a distributed for his film (maybe a harder time landing his next project) these are acts of tremendous power themselves. The ability of activists and the online commentariat to use PR to make an end run around the marketplace and get large corporations to do their bidding has been amazing. And sometimes justified, as in Roseanne’s case, IMO. But this is the power Chappell sees himself punching up at.", "George Carlin never punched down. Amazing man.", "This is a dumb comparison", "My theory: \n\nHe was a comic that was perfect for his audience in that moment. There were a ton of things in 90s pop culture that haven't aged well, but are still remembered fondly. Nostalgia is a hell of a thing. As an example, we still watch some Mr Show, which tbf, i don't think really fits the humor of today.\n\nStill, i like and appreciate Mitch's stand-up, but maybe it's for that reason, idk.", "Dick ride harder lmao", "The title of your post implies far more than you realize then...", "Just watch any Andrew Dice Clay and you’ll see exactly what he means.", "> If anyone in the world can snap us out of this insanity, it's him. He's the exact voice we needed to say what was said.\n\nYour words, not mine.", "Sabotaging Black voices is literally Antifa’s prerogative. https://www.opb.org/article/2020/11/23/portland-protest-racial-justice-oregon-black-lives-matter/", "r/AsABlackMan", "He has a ton of anti-gay and racist jokes as well which is also what Carlin was talking about.", "Woof", "Exclusion is not hate. Many TERFs support trans women, but they want to keep the women's movement separate from the trans movement because they are very different movements. One is about equality for women, the other is about acceptance that trans women are women. They are different concepts. Most TERFs don't say, \"trans can't help\", they say, \"don't mix messages\". But, yes, some TERFs also suck. \n \nEdit: [J.K. Rowling explained this a year ago](https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/)", "... wow.\n\nYou're serious, aren't you?\n\nJust... fucking wow.", "No, I’m disagreeing with your assertion that it’s clear when Dave is and isn’t joking by providing evidence that many people think both. Or that both are being argued by people. Proving that it’s not as obvious as you claim it is.", "Wait are we trying to say that gay people are underdogs? \n\nI mean they are in a sense...🤣", ">So [this article](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/signature_obgyn/patient_information/ask_expert/gynecology-q-a/how-often-do-I-need-a-pap-smear.html#:~:text=Women%20should%20start%20Pap%20smear,the%20cause%20of%20cervical%20cancer.) doesn't make sense?\n\nWomen do need pap smears. Not all if them, and some men do as well. But women do.\n\nThe article makes sense.\n\nIt would make more sense if they used different language.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>It makes more sense to change what \"woman\" means, so that woman always means identity?\n\nIt's clearly not a new thing. The words already changed.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>You do see how this could be considered a little bit difficult or tedious at least from a language perspective right? \n\nNope.\n\nFemale instead of women.\n\nIt's a word for a word.", ">>This is a non-argument. The same reasoning could make the argument that black people shouldn't be seen as human because \"historically they haven't been in the past\".<<\n\nFirst off, WOW; what an exceptionally terrible and offensive comparison. I’m talking about the evolution of a word and its context and whether applied criticism is valid or invalid. Your comparison is both extreme and inappropriate. This makes me recall a white girl telling me women view the C word the same way black people view the N word. Mind bogglingly ignorant and incomparable. This also ignores the rest of my entire statements. The vast majority of human beings DO NOT see the terms Gender and Sex as different words because that is what they grew up with, that is what was taught, and “much” of science still concurs with this—note the quotations. So to get all up in arms when someone states this and incite words like prejudice or bigotry is perpetuating an argument that is not yet valid and inspires the opposite reaction you hope to achieve. The evolution of the word has not become solid so its old context still must be taken into consideration in a debate. It is not cut and dry like some try to paint it as. \n\nLike you said, science is about updating theoretical things to maintain factuality. This is not a quick process. Pluto didn’t become a dwarf planet overnight. The heavenly bodies were studied over decades, the similarities and differences discussed and debated, the characteristics were defined over time. And still there are many who grew up with it as a planet that say the change is nonsense. The difference is it isn’t controversial because when one of them says Pluto is still a planet no one jumps down their throats with irrationally applied adjectives. \n\nYou missed my point about intersex. It was that the change of language has been happening so fast for some it is hard to keep up. Some don’t even know the words people throw around. Which ones are offensive, which are appropriate, what some even mean. And instead of being patient and taking the time to explain away a persons ignorance, many that support the changes of these terms perpetuate the same acts they are perceiving. Prejudice and hatred. \n\nAdditionally, the existence of intersex persons does nothing for the Gender/Sex argument. It proves there are two Sexes at either end and an umbrella term for a set of genetic mutations that have existed since the dawn of humanity. The are either Male dominant with some features of female development or Female dominant with some features of male dominant. Some are literal super-humans to be praised for their prowess instead of mocked, and some are just like any other human being just trying to get by one day at a time. \n\nGender is not a social construct. It is a construct of science to explain a group of individuals within a species by characteristics. And it has been and still is used within many scientific fields synonymously with the term Sex. Do you know why that is? Because historically the term Sex made people uncomfortable. Scientists tend to be socially awkward. It may not have been a term many past professionals felt comfortable using in papers and studies that may be viewed by those who see the word Sex and close their minds to the content. Science needs to educate so it must be digestible and free from ill-perceptions for the common human. \n\nI imagine it is hard for folks who have used the terms gender and sex interchangeably for a long time to take criticism seriously when less than a decade ago the term Transgender was not common but the term Transexual was. These sudden switches without giving credence to past definitions and characteristics can be confusing for some, and when they are attacked instead of gently enlightened it creates an environment for true prejudice to grow instead of understanding. It isn’t “get with the program” it’s “this is why and if you don’t agree I get why but...”", "he would be against repercussions for anything Dave said or repercussions for anything the protestors said. Full stop.\n\nAgainst Netflix cancelling his special and against Netflix firing the protestors.\n\nTo George, Netflix would be the only one capable of being the villain. Aside from the one protestor who gave the other one a head injury…", "Lol conservative became the boogyman the moment the Donald got shut down.", "What's funny about Louis CK is he was sliding into that spot that Carlin left behind. His comedy was hilarious but there was some real social commentary going on. Then the scandal took it all away. I'd still go see a Louis show, though. I think losing everything and being humiliated on the global stage is enough punishment.", "You’re as smart as the people you worked with, and they all think they’re smarter than you.", "I think it's that it comes across as genuine. Like it's \"a joke\" but seriously. It really doesn't feel good natured at all. I'm generally of the mind that nothing is off limits in comedy, but it still has to be done in the spirit of comedy, otherwise it's just a rant.", "or or...similar to August Ames, the lgbtq community attacked her online driving a vulnerable person to suicide for having an opinion they disagreed with.", "It's the death cult antics that make feckless democrats appealing. Sure, they are fully bought by corporate interests and can't even pass the agenda we elected them for even with a supermajority (i.e. our feckless ACA), but they aren't explicit fascists so they're the good guys.", "He really dropped off the map in the last few years didn't he? Man was a bleedin' genius.", ">like where the white girl was actually restrained\n\nHorse shit, they went out for walks and even to a party once.", "We didn’t deserve George…", "I'm out of the loop, what does this have to do with Dave Chappelle?", "Who said anything about 'not liking Carlin'? \n\nHe's dead, wasn't talking about Chappelle and he was talking about Dice.", "IMO his nursery rhymes are absurd and funny, everything else is pretty bad. Maybe what adds to his nursery rhyme jokes is the fact that all the clips have an arena full of people reciting them with him and losing their collective minds like they're all going to piss their pants with laughter.", "> People want everything to be easy and binary these days. \"With us or against us\" \"Good vs. Evil\" But life is more complicated then that\n\n\nThat’s the first thing I thought when I saw this. Comparing Dice Clay to Chapelle is missing A LOT of the nuance Dave was conveying. Is what he said hurtful and potentially unhelpful? Yes. Was it hateful? No. Misguided? Yes. Angry? No. Funny? ...for me it’s a resounding yes. Sorry if you disagree ...I’m with him in that he expressed it and that’s part of who he is. Personally, I really identify with his ignorant stance that my “love is there and I’m not perfect.” Quite frankly I also agree with his stance of saying “fuck you for not getting it, because it’s no different than me not getting you.” Sure, one side faces consequences greater than the other and that’s not fair and I’m sorry that it’s on a national platform and it may work counter to your end game...but we’re talking about it arent we? That’s progress isn’t it? Not every misstatement needs to be met with outrageous social media posts and screaming. How about a conversation? If you’re truly upset then your anger should directed at Netflix for giving him such a large platform.", "Or maybe Dave just made a bad point and i'm pointing out why it doesn't hold up.", "\"The other day I was at this restaurant- doesn't matter which one cause I'm making this shit up, but anyways..\"", "\\> on track to be one of the most successful Netflix features in history.\n\nyeah all the \"controversy\" is more marketing than reality, that's for sure.\n\nbut IMHO his overall premise was his closing line... basically \"I'm not punching down, they are\"... and he didn't really make that case convincingly. I mean it's a tough sell to position yourself as powerless when you're one of the most popular entertainers in the world, with yet another special headlining on Netflix", "Canceled? Who?\n\nThe guy who got paid $24 million to tell the same jokes he's been telling for ten years, only shittier? The guy whose special has not been taken down but is still doing impressive numbers on Netflix? The guy who nobody is trying to pass laws against? \n\nMy god please somebody stop the trans folk before they strike again, it's absolutely a goddamn tragedy what they've done to Chappelle and it must stop.", "There’s a pretty big gubernatorial election in Virginia in a week and one of the candidates is ending his campaign arguing we should ban certain books, I’ll give a guess at which candidate that is…", "I’m not too worried about comedy’s ability to survive. What is comedy, a small child in need of defense? You a big Chevy Chase fan?\n\nAnd when did it become that a single person disagreeing and asking for change is somehow tyranny of the minority simply for asking? It’s a fucking opinion.", "I'm not upset.\n\n>People accepting that other people have ideas they dont like or approve of with out trying to ban them used to be the essence of the movement. \n\nAre you defending that person that said it was okay to be a Nazi because its also okay to be gay?\n\nBecause I've not had a convo anywhere close to talking about about deplatforming or banning for a while now except with them.", "His way with words, he could have done whatever he wanted.", "Listen to this man children. He is the way and the light. I am not religious and have no research to back that up. But if you’re a small youth please remember he has been right this whole time. This is a disclaimer that this is my opinion so I’m not banned. Ha!", "The actual reason [Atlanta ep 7](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CR7ZVg1_KDA&feature=youtu.be)", "Yuuup. Like he said, Twitter (social media, yes, even reddit) is not real life. This controversy is driven by political interests. It sparks interest and discussion.\n\nNotice how Netflix started promoting and moving to the top, older Chapelle material?", "I need to check up on him. As a non American there's a lot of your culture that's obscure. I had heard the name but didn't even know he was in comedy. Funny clip.", "Hicks was very angry, to the point of fury. Carlin was very grounded (probably from his good upbringing) in his gripes. In my opinion anyway. Hicks was very firy, where Carlin was just wild.", "Everyone keeps saying how his words are taken out of context, but it's actually worse with the context. Thanks for providing.", "My man is out there being an entertainer who doesnt shy away from controversial topics.\n\nHe's not shaping policy and leading our country. You choose whether you want to listen to him or just swipe to the next Netflix recommendation.\n\nEveryone just needs to take a step back and think, does any of this fuckin matter?", "He was talking about Dice. He was talking about \"punching down\" and that's not what Chappelle does.", "I live in the nation that can't put up a fraction of their military budget to combat climate change because industry shills bought our legislators.", "....what? \n\nI don't agree or disagree with anything he said. He's a literal jester, a comic, an entertainer. I watched the special and I thought some of his jokes were bad, particularly the ones about trans people. But overall, outside the LGBTQ stuff it seemed like he was mostly just complaining about things that annoy him. It didn't seem extremely well thought out at all.", "I love Mitch. He was brilliant. But just watching a clip on YouTube doesn't do him justice. He had an hour long special that I used to listen to all the time. He had an upright bass player just sort of jamming along with the jokes. It really put you in the right mindset for his style of comedy.", "This should be the top post. Carlin actually argues for free speech and free use of comedy, which is the basis of Chappelle's supporters are saying.\n\nThe \"threatened\" part of the underdog argument is about Andrew dice clay who said misogynistic, racist, homophobic comments all the time. Not just jokes and satire, straight up derogatory statements (tons of people have linked some of his stuff in this thread.. Feel free to indulge). Carlin's comment was his observation on why he feels Clay uses those comments, but not against his use of it.\n\nThe way OP frames this is as if Chappelle is using jokes with regards to LBGTQ because he is threatened, which makes no god damn sense.", "For pointing out flaws? Yep. Government agencies really don't like to hear when things could be improved unless it's through an official form.", "No, you should hate Jeff Dunham for not being funny.", "Livelihoods is such a strong word. It’s not like anyone who loses their jobs because of the foul shit they say is going to end up homeless or won’t be able to feed their kids. \n\n\nGood thing this is happening to Chappell in an era where restaurants are paying servers $15 an hour plus tips", "George Carlin", "Yes, and most of those jokes are hateful and targeting minority groups who are historically downtrodden, if not outright victims of real world violence.", "This exact same fucking argument was made about butch lesbians in the 90s too.\n\n[One of these is biologically male,](https://s31242.pcdn.co/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Butch-is-not-about-masculinity-YT.00_03_41_19.Still003.jpg) the [other is biologically female](https://media.wnyc.org/i/800/0/c/85/2020/01/contrapoints.png). Which is which, and how would literally anybody in that bathroom be able to tell without explicitly attempting to look at their genitalia.\n\nAnd what about white people who are \"just uncomfortable sharing a bathroom with a black man? Are they not entitled to feel that way?\" Sure, you're entitled to feel that way, but it makes you a bigot and should have no baring on the law.", "Come on back and have a real conversation once you have half the country trying to ban you from public spaces and deny your right to exist.\n\nOr when you pull your head out of your goddamn ass. Either way.", "It's not about him. It's about we little people who want the freedom to enjoy the artistic content we like absent a biased interest group attempting to control our consumption.", "Q Triggered Trump supporters", "And by cancelled let’s be clear. Dave will still do comedy. Dave will still be a millionaire. You are bravely defending a super rich guy from losing a single business opportunity. And you fancy yourself the bastion of free speech for it.\n\nBecause if there’s one person who needs defending, it’s a multi millionaire.", "And I'm not defending Chapelle but I get what he is saying. It must be frustrating to have watched black rights crawl at a snails pace while trans rights have rocketed over the last 5 years \"because it's affecting white people\".", "Your original reply can be summarized as “but Dave had a point about Dababy”. That doesn’t actually add anything new.\n\nAnd now you’re firing off another half dozen or so chirpy replies that haven’t actually, you know, offered a different perspective or contributed to the conversation. \n\nHope you don’t feel too cancelled btw.", "Sure but if he spends 20 minutes talking up the 1% and covers the other 99% in a throwaway sentence, would you not agree he's at least being disingenuous?", "Carlin would have been an enlightened centrist, for sure", "+1", "No. TERF does not mean anti-trans. \n \nIt simply means the person believes the feminist movement is qualitatively different than the trans movement. It's the difference of asking a random person on the street, \"do you think women should be equal?\" vs asking, \"do you think sex is different than gender?\"", "Just because it exists in the world, people who don’t like it think it shouldn’t exist in the world. That’s insane.", "Idk man I cringe watching a lot of old Chappelle show. The clips on YouTube have all aged well, that’s why they’re still getting views, but if you watch a full episode a lot of the B roll bits have aged like milk.", "These are regular people saying what they believe to be true, not a tight-five at the comedy store ya gabbagoo.", ">No apologies in every interview he did about his hurtful comments prior to the Oscars\n\nI don't think this should be an issue. Why are we hurt when an entertainer makes ignorant remarks, let alone for arguably comedic reasons? Are the Oscars really that integral and important that we need some stellar representative to be the face of it, despite it being a (free to watch) shitshow on its own?\n\nIf my favourite celebrity said something bad about my race/sexuality/country, I'd just roll my eyes and remember that I have bigger problems going on in life.", "You are absolutely correct, unfortunate downvotes", "There's a whole different group of people who will be upset at you for calling them females.. I don't think there's an internally consistent rule set here. The actual language pushed by the woke crowd is not \"females\" its persons with vaginas. Menstruating persons, persons with uteruses etc... \n\nThat article was written that way, because they meant women as in biological women.. And i think you know that. And if you can make your case without being intellectually dishonest, it will pack a bigger punch.", "idk you haven't seen some of my packages after they're done with them", "The irony of all the jerking off in this thread is that Carlin [would have gotten cancelled today](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQHN1ipLPdY) from the same people saying he nailed it.", "Lmao those alphabet ppl are some funny mf'ers,,,idc what you say.", "That special is the greatest thing that happened to comedy recently. Chappelle set it up in a way that makes all of the venomous backlash from the trans community proves the main point of the special.", "Correct. Damn good summation", "[This site has the transcript](https://scrapsfromtheloft.com/comedy/dave-chappelle-the-closer-transcript/) if you want to peruse it. Didn't check it word for word as I sped though the special on a non-netflix site but I assume it's legit.", "Plenty of liberals find chappelle funny.", "No one HAS TO CLICK on anything.\n\nStop letting your index finger do the thinking.", "You sound like your dick and your intellect are both below average but on any given day you think one or the other is huge", "What part of the show would you like to discuss next? You are to busy attacking me to even attempt to move to a new part of the show. That is why the conversation doesn't move forward.", "If you think the title of this post is accurate, then you’ve had a knee jerk reaction to chappelles special. How about you actually watch it", "Seriously. \n\nDave just looks like he’s parading her death around as a talking point to save himself from backlash rather than to shed light on some perceived dark under belly.", "> Dave talked about him and I'm commenting on that.\n\nGood job, you just got taken in by a liar intentionally omitting information details that don't fit his narrative.", "ADC thought he was like Carlin. He claimed it's all an act, that he was exposing what people thought deep down.", "Cuz it isn't a differing opinion. Someone born with a dick but who identifies as a woman is a woman. There has been loads of biology and psychology that has confirmed this. Saying gender is a fact doesn't mean anything. It's just a dogwhistle for transphobes to rally around. Talk like this emboldens people to say bigoted shit, and eventually we get stuff like Texas straight up banning trans kids from school sports. All of it is super fucked up.", "I think the reverse is more likely, they liked him in the past because he was popular and now that he’s not it’s easy to see how bad it is.", "I was a little confused because I was pretty sure they were talking about Dice but I didn't think he hit it big until the late 80s early 90s.", "Ah you know, we made arsenic into a childhood food. Are your kids to loud? Etc\n\nI swear, his bit on marketing is some of the most hilarious and yet on the spot comedy I've ever heard. Almost glad he isn't around to see how that panned out....", "Incorrect. Trans issues and feminist issues are not identical. TERF simply want the issues to be addressed separately. That is not equivalent to transphobia nor trans hate.", "I agree Hicks would be on Rogan like every 3 or 4 months. Hicks would be 100% on this anti-cancel culture train that right wingers are all about. They'd probably be talking shit about Biden and Trump and the woke left all the time.", "I'm thinking Carlin couldn't do [his material today](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ij5XUZNZF8), which makes this entire thread painfully ironic.", "But the issue is that when trans people are who they are then a lot of other people will jump in to cause harm to them", "We was most definitely being sarcastic about being transphobic - as in, he does not believe that he personally is-or-ought-to fit into the category known as \"transphobic,\" and he kept saying he was to imply that his detractors are being absurd and hyperbolic.\n\nAbout being a TERF? Eh, the record doesn't support the sarcasm angle on that one nearly as well. He puts the pieces together and comes to the conclusion that he is one, and hey, maybe it's not so bad.", "Yeah but Dice at least then did a special where he made fun of only men to prove that he could be funny whoever the target. Wish Chappelle had chosen to go that route.", "Hicks went from spark to inferno in an instant. Makes me uncomfortable, but it's like he tears open a wound and starts spitting factual fire into it.", "Goat boy was always creepy to me. Like not comically creepy, just actually creepy. Even when I still liked him as a comedian. The implication of underage girls and all that. I just sat through it then, but now that's a main reason I just can't watch his stuff. Also I just don't have the same tastes I used to.\n\nIt is coincidental that I loved him when I was an obnoxious early 20s libertarian, and can't stand him now as a progressive. I have no idea if that's correlation or causation though.", "Tell me you never actually watched the Chappelle special, without telling me", "Then how the fuck is he supposed to get an accurate view of the LGBTQ community?\n\nIf he can't use social media or his own first hand accounts what the hell is left for him to interact with?", "I thought op made some compelling points and I basically agree with them. Feel free to respond to any of those as you are the one with a difference of opinion. There are 8 parts - should be plenty there for you to discuss.", "99.3%-99.7%\n\nClearly a useless paradigm. /s", "Dababy point was not good because the \"murder\" was self defense and before he was famous. It wasn't a well known thing that happened to a popular influential celebrity. As a famous person, he then said homophobic shit. So it became well known and he's called out \n\nOf dababy came out and murdered someone unprovoked in cold blood, while being famous, yeah, he'd probably be cancelled. \n\n\n...or not?", "> biased interest group \n\nIn that they have sort of a vested interest in being perceived as human beings with a right to exist? Yeah that's sort of a bias, I guess.\n\nWhat about you? Anyone try to legislate you out of existence lately? Anyone trying to kill you or deny your right to exist? \n\nNo? Then shut the fuck up about 'biased interest groups' and come back when you know what you're talking about.", "Women isn't biological. An article can be wrong with its use of a word.", "Eh, not just Twitter. Any tech company and most universities as well.", "Cancel those bastards while we’re at it. You won’t see me complaining.", "Ahh shit, you've got me there.", "[It's absolutely not](https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/)", "well that’s true enougb", "Thing is, we made progress on some fronts, but we regressed on others. I was listening to a podcast about conservative trash talk host Wally George, and what he was saying about gays in the 80s was truly awful, but then he was also going after nazis like Tom Metzger. Today, I'm not sure a guy like Wally George would go after a Tom Metzger type.", "okay dude, enjoy living your life with that brain of yours and i hope that one day you'll understand why something that is the diametric opposite of convention is considered humorous, as i can't seem to explain it simply to somebody that far up their own ass", "\"Christ didn't come here to give us the willies! He was a booster!\"", "That was an unfortunate reality of what he was doing. It's also what those Blue Collar Comedy guys do, except their jokes aren't hateful. But they're still making fun of their audiences, without those people realizing that they are the butts of the jokes.", ">Misgendering a trans person is the same level of comedy as saying the N word\n\n~~You~~ They directly compared them right there, dipshit\n\nEdit: Didn't read the username of the comment because I figured that was OP. Turns out it's just some toxic neckbeard", "Lol what power? There are 27 states with Anti Trans laws. LGBTQ issues are still unresolved. There is an epidemic of Black Trans folks being killed. You think they wouldn’t use that power to get safety, equality and healthcare? Chapelle dismissed Twitter as “not a real place” but also seems endlessly butthurt about what’s said about him there and elsewhere. Let people rage if he truly “stands by his words”. He’s been paid already, he’s fine.", "Yeah I missed him while he was away, but his material seems to be samey. I will laugh at anyone, comedy needs to not have rules about what can be funny. However we stopped watching the most recent special 10 minutes in because it wasn't funny. If you're hilarious I'll forgive anything you say, if you're just saying not funny shit that's not very nice, not interested.", "I'm not shitting on people for what they like, it just seems like Hedberg is utterly forgotten outside these walls, and I can understand why.", "> How about you grow a set of proverbial balls and stop getting upset at jokes? \n\nThe irony of this.", "They guy hated nazis, fascist and war. I'm trying hard not to sound like a fanboy, but there's absolutely no justification for your reasoning.", "The fact that everyone still glosses over his point that the LGBTQ movement had outpaced and surpassed the black equality moment still surprises me.", "I replied at the end, and gave several points that I felt he misrepresented. Go read those and come back.\n\nIf you wanna talk to me, talk to me directly, but don't waste my time speaking through someone else. That's 8 pages of replies, and I don't owe you one second of my time.", "That's not at all what TERF means.", "From a certain perspective, Dice might have been a genius. He goes on stage as the most ridiculous parody of a masculine male (its nearly drag), tells the most childish, offensive, retrograde jokes imaginable (dirty nursery rhymes), and his audience absolutely eats it up. Its almost as though the joke was on them. But.... I don't think that is what he was actually going for, at least not after a certain point. It quickly morphed from high satire (if it ever actually was) to base pandering, which I think is his actual legacy.", "People can believe some conspiracy stuff and be nowhere near Alex Jones level. That dude's in a league of his own. I think that's pretty far from what they were saying.", "He got better and better the older he got. I watched some really early stuff and it was fine but his last HBO special was absolutely priceless.", "A raging alcoholic \nA working rageaholic\n\nOut of rehab and in denial.", "I watched his HBO specials on loop. Such a genius.\n\n\"You don't take a shit, you LEAVE A SHIT!\"", "Yes, my \"gotcha\" of providing the actual context around what he said instead of inventing a story about the supposed context like you are doing. You're doing exactly what I said earlier:\n\n> It seems like he wants to play a game where he can say both and then when criticized point to just one. It’s similar to a motte and bailey tactic but more brazenly fallacious.", "This title is taking something out of context for someone else's point. \n\nI can appreciate the sentiment but the title is wrong.", "Dave's response has been pretty bad too. He refuses to be \"summoned\" and demands you admit a particular comedian is not funny. Wtf? He clearly has no remorse so I doubt he'll change and give a shit. \n\nWhy pick on the underdogs? Do we need to take trans people down a peg? Maybe if he just told funny jokes that didn't rely on mocking the historically underprivileged this wouldn't happen.", "So you have no problem making assumptions about what other people say or mean, then ignoring them based on your assumptions, but you're against cancel culture. Brilliant.", "Seems like those people have a bigger agenda than Dave does it not?", "I feel like Leary had the same persona of angry prick, but I like his interpretation of it better than Hicks.", "You are associating blatant bullying to a comedy special lmao. And no idea what that Lewis Hamilton clip was relevant to.\n\n>He likened being trans to blackface\n\nNo he did not. He said the reaction of women getting angry at trans women was similar to how black people react to blackface. That is not at all saying trans itself is blackface. Your comprehension to context is horrid.", "😂", "That's not exactly a needle-threading endeavor. \"Reactionaries are complete shit, but don't go Orwell to try to stop them.\"\n\nThere are indeed plenty of \"liberals\" that should therefore take exception to Carlin, but I don't think the ones trying to get poor/middle class people better food, water, air, shelter, and healthcare need to worry about him for a nanosecond.", "This is why they always have to lose. If the gang makes it out of something unscathed, it begins to appear as though they’re the good guys. Even if you identify with those characters without a hint of irony, at least you never see them portrayed as good people.", "The idiots on twitter are bullies.\n\nThey are the types that were actually probably bullied in the real world, but on a platform that caters to them, and where they are are in concentrated numbers they've become the bullies.\n\nAll the crap you read on Twitter is a no better than the graffiti carved into the wood of a public bathroom stall.", "He was a bit \"bitter\" bc his trans friend was bullied by her trans community, for defending him as a comedian. He didn't say he was a terf bc he was bitter, he said it when talking about how JK Rowling was being cancelled for saying gender is a fact. Everyone was born from a vagina. Vaginas belong to the female sex. Gender, while previously synonymous with biological sex, is now a broader concept, but somehow still fluctuates within the two sexes and associated gender characteristics.\n\nHe said it bc he pointed out hypocrisy about a community that demands respect and privilege above other people, bc they happen to be trans.\n\nLike the part where he says \"gay people are minorities until they need to be White again\" in the story of the white gay man at the table saying shit to him like he had a right to and then whipping out his phone and calling the cops on a black man bc he suddenly felt \"threatened\" or whatever. \n\nNothing he said was said with spite. It was just matter of fact, very direct. And the juxtaposition of him smiling and joking and being a goof against him getting real serious and tired, is jarring. \n\nWhenever folks claim someone is being bitter when they're not, it makes me wonder if they've seen the depths of human emotional expression. He wasn't bitter, he's tired. To be bitter is to be somewhat hateful, and there's no hate there, just a very straight up \"look at this shit, same regurgitated bandwagon shit, they don't see me and what I'm saying, all they see is im offended and he's speaking uncomfortable truths kill him! Kill him bc we're being killed\" he's tired of the hypocrisy and power tripping.\n\nI liked the special, but it was way more serious than his previous ones even in between the jokes. \n\nTo reiterate, to punch down on someone is to see them as less than yourself. Dave doesn't do that. He punches up at those looking down and those who wanna throw hands at him too. He doesn't see trans as less than human, he just doesn't agree with some of the opinions being shoved into your face as \"facts\" and the whole culture of \"if you disagree, you're phobic\"\n\nThat's like me saying \"if you don't support my feelings, then you wish me death and trauma\" that sounds emotionally irrational, and emotionally irrational people cannot be trusted to perceive reality and other people correctly. Your feelings are always valid, they're just not always correct for the situation.", "It’s not the banning or Canceling the person telling the joke that’s going to bring us together, it’s the taking the joke and laughing about it, even when it’s directed at us that will heal us all.", "I've said it before and I'll say it again. Carlin was a genius. As a comic and as a human.", "> No. TERF does not mean anti-trans. \n\nTERFs do not believe that trans women are women. They are anti-trans.\n\n> It simply means the person believes the feminist movement is qualitatively different than the trans movement\n\nTERFs are not feminists, because they do not consider trans women's rights to be women's rights.", "This man was waaay ahead of his time.", "I understand what you're saying, and I love satire, but it was just sloppily done.", "Gays are not an oppressed class in the west. Maybe if this was China or the middle east you can make that argument but in the west their cause of is backed by the state, media, and every large corporation. You can't even say one negative thing or disagree without fear of being cancelled. The US military bombed the shit out of brown countries and raised the pride flag in their embassies. Also it's okay to make racist jokes towards Mexicans, blacks, Asians , and all but gays (who are usually a large white class) are \"punching down\". Sure.", "The ones that turned out true.", "I think he agrees, which is probably why he ended with (paraphrasing), \"I'm done talking about this nonsense.\"", "Trans men should absolutely not participate in women's MMA, this is r/accidentally material.", "Hey look, an actual bigot who didn't take very many comments to go mask off!\n\nCongrats!", "Any group that is the subject of criticism is somewhat biased when it comes to evaluating said criticism. It's why we don't put the crime victim on the jury. The victim is not able to view the matter objectively.\n\nThat's all biased means in this context. \n\nOh and there doesn't exist any legislation that makes any LGBTQ et al person \"not exist\" well at least not in the first world.", "That and the difference between Dice Clay and Chapelle is about the span of a fucking Grand Canyon in terms of delivery and intent.", "I’d bet they know how to spell his name.", "The dictionary defines woman as:\n\n>an adult female human being.\n\nand female as \n\n>of or denoting the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.\n\nI understand that in 2021 we want to change these definitions to be more inclusive. But meet me half way here and admit that you understand that in the past this consideration simply was not on the radar.", "Base-level philosophy, though, and from someone who had been far-removed from the average American life.", ">Did no one listen to this transphobe explain why his transphobic jokes aren't actually transphobic?\n\nI haven't even watched the special, but if you need to explain why your jokes weren't actually bigoted outside of your actual act, you definitely fucked up.", "Well not anymore. Chapelle gave up remember. He admitted that he can't make jokes about the trans community the way he does everyone else.\n\nIronically, Chapelle giving up was the most transphobic thing he said.", "Too bad they’re not on HBO anymore. Such a shame.", "I took it as the other alphabets are attacking the T's. Especially the gay white men.", "But he stole his flow from kineson!", "I would just ask you to compare the relative frustration of learning some new terms to being plagued with uncertainty about who you are for years or decades. I've recently known someone who transitioned and it's been beautiful to see depression fade and true happiness take it's place. Learning some \"new to me\" terms just doesn't seem like a big deal compared to that. It makes almost zero impact on my life and a huge impact on hers.", "Thank you. This is exactly what I was getting at.\n\nHonestly, it makes OP sound ignorant.", "Why not both?!", "People should understand that just because they don't find a particular joke funny, that they can extrapolate and assume everyone else feels the same way they do", "Come back when you know what you're talking about.", "wrr, doesnt matter", "If anyone thinks this relates to Chapelle’s last special you haven’t watched it.", "I agree.", "Right? Folks born in 90s don't have the same context and sometimes respect for that time. Shit was horrible.", "You may want to get your hearing checked. It's not a professional recording by any means, but it's fine for a bootleg that was recorded almost 3 decades ago.", "Fucking Denis Leary stole his whole first act from Hicks.\n\nThen Hicks gets cancer and dies, not Leary.", "No, but it’s a subtle reminder of how movements can become corrupted by people looking for outrage upvotes instead of an actual discussion regarding social progress.", "Define transwomen for me.\n\nObviously I'm aware of the past. What?", "This a very eloquently conveyed analysis of why someone would target minorities or “underdogs” as he so aptly calls such targeted groups. Carlin was such a brilliant mind and engaging/entertaining comedian. His bits were as profound as they were astute, and he appropriately placed the scope on the oppressors. And I don’t recall him ever needing to target minorities for a laugh, so there’s that.", ">Dababy point was not good because the \"murder\" was self defense and before he was famous.\n\nHe got off because a witness didn't show and that it what he said about the murder, but not necessarily how it all went down. The cousin of the kid who was murder has a drastically different account of the story. It also didn't stop him from being famous, it also hasn't stopped others from being famous.\n\nSo I still see it as an apt comparison when we also acknowledge Dave said the comments Da Baby made were awful, he isn't pro the comments, but also pointing out it feels weird to him murder did less damage. I can't say I don't see his point here.", "It’s interesting the things that were successfully censored to us as children. Everyone was sooooo upset with Eminem’s album and it sold millions, I’ve never heard of this guy and I was around his target demographic frequently at the time (I think)", "Take the South Park approach and punch in every direction. No group should get preferential treatment or feel that they cannot be made fun of", "I literally ask for the bare minimum in a joke and you’re acting like I don’t understand comedy lmao. You’re so pressed. Hopefully you chill out man, stop caring so much about someone else’s sense of humor", "Honestly, I watched it and I laughed my fucking ass off. \n\nWas it offensive to trans people? Probably. \n\nWas it hateful? Absolutely not. \n\nIt’s not illegal to be offensive. He didn’t advocate killing trans people. He didn’t advocate for violence against trans people. He didn’t say that trans people didn’t deserve to exist.\n\nI understand that trans people will be upset at this special. I understand why. But not all humour needs to be universal. Like Andrew Dice Clay. Sometimes humour is offensive to some people and some groups. Especially in todays world, where nobody has humour anymore, you can’t just find stupid universal truths and laugh. Someone in the room just isn’t gonna laugh. You have to hope that you appeal to a broad enough audience. And Dave does. \n\nAnd by the way, the special was awesome. Fuck the haters. Dave crushed it.", "Norm MacDonald was a comic’s comic", "How's life under the bridge?", "Same, I liked his stuff but then it went into \"all drugs are fine\" \"wako was an inside job\" type trip. Then there was the odd homophobic quip.", "It seems everyone in the comments is forgetting that Andrew Dice Clay is a character the comedian is playing.", "Ron Jeremy?", "The checks keep clearing and it's free publicity: why wouldn't he?", "If I'm wrong, provide a citation to the legislation that seeks to make trans people \"not exist.\"\n\nAnd show me where the crime victim sits on the jury.", "Discussing Andrew Dice Clay, I would presume.\n\n\nOne thing they dont hit on in this clip that is equally important is that when you laugh at something, you no longer fear it. And hate is fear at it's core. You can weaken that hate by destroying the fear that fuels it. It's not a perfect solution, no. It's a rather ugly one - but it's one that can work.", "The thing is, I love satire, but satire only works when it's consistent. If you bounce back and forth between absolute sincerity and rational viewpoints then propel into absurdity, it doesn't work.", "Well said", "I was clear to me that this was the joke. Short version: \"I can't help but take their side when a straight white man is a woman for a few months and wins woman of the year. I'd be pissed off too.\" The joke is also crafted to put the \"team TERF\" comment first as bait. He knows that \"shitty people\" like to take one part of a joke and scream and cry like children without considering the whole joke. People that bitch about this line unwittingly make themselves part of the punchline. Furthermore, Dave has said many times that he doesn't punch down because he doesn't believe anyone is beneath him. However, the kind of people that scream and cry about jokes online are the worst kind of people, and he pretty much said that he's going to stop making jokes about them which is to say, \"Now, he believes they are beneath him.\" Dave not making jokes about you is clearly worse.", "And if it’s just mean and hurtful? Gotta show no emotion because fragile people aren’t capable of having those adult conversations? Is that the world you wanna live in?", "Ehh idk I definitely cringe watching a lot of old Chappelle show. Plenty of clips aged well and those are the ones people are still watching on YouTube, but if you watch a full unedited episode from back in the day you’ll notice a lot of the B roll bits have aged like unpasteurized milk.", "> in part because he felt like some of his work on Chappelle's Show was being enjoyed by racists and he didn't like that.\n\nThis is horseshit. This is a very fringe reason why he took off.\n\nThis is like saying he said nothing offensive in his special at all.", "Truth is he hates both sides equally. And he hates both of their euphemistic bullshit.", "My man Clayton Bigsby would like a word…", "That is not what TERF means. \n \nThe \"F\" literally stands for \"feminist\". But, yes, that is what I said, women's rights and trans rights are separate issues. For example, biological women don't care about trans women being allowed to use their bathroom. Pretending that that desired separate of concerns is some slight against trans women is just plain ignorance.", "No", "It’s funny how people conveniently leave this bit of nuance out.", "Yeah. Him, Hunter S Thompson, Zappa, they'd be furious. Though I do often think they might have really helped a lot these days. Then again, here we are discussing them, so not much difference. :)", "Nothing is off limits in comedy... ever.\n\nYou may call and consider it bad comedy. That's fine.\n\nBut the moment you start making things \"off limits\", everything is off limits.", "this comment makes a lot of sense", "The difference is that Dice Clay's whole thing was an act. A persona.\n\nChappelle is just giving his honest opinion.\n\nBut both are COMEDY routines so it doesn't make a damn bit of difference.\n\nCarlin would totally be with Chappelle.", "People are idiots and get their headlines and daily dose of rage from Twitter posts.", "I'm not going to say he was ahead of his time but he was on point.", "Debatable.", "A young Andrew Dice Clay looks like a young Jon Stewart.", "I'm not gonna defend goat boy other than it was a critique of selling-out and grifters. Certainly a special way of getting the message out there, but the message is fine.\n\nI never saw him in the libertarian light Americans tend to view him, neither did my friends. He don't talk about issues we think of as libertarian. Well except drugs. Can't recall him being anti tax or pro gun. And he didn't seem to have a problem with government unless it was over war or injustice.\n\nI'm not gonna argue he wasn't libertarian, but it feels more like he just criticized open flaws in society, and criticizing some of those flaws overlap with libertarian philosophy by accident.", "Kind of like the incidents with Asians in North America this year or a dark skinned person walking through a low income MAGA infested town.\n\nMany groups experience it, learning to live as freely as possible in spite of that is unfortunately a necessity in a world where hate is so socially ingrained\n\nEdit: an to a", "It's actually massively pitiful and slightly transphobic for them to even have done that. \nI guarantee there was a woman that year who did some incredible thing for people or made some amazing scientific contribution, but nah, give it to the person who did the bare minimum of entering into the community. Literally got an award just for qualifying.", "\\>They're the most marginalized group we have.\n\nJesus fucking Christ. If you honestly believe this you're an absolute moron. \n\nDid the FBI assassinate a prominent LGBTQ leader? \n\nWere trans people forced out of their bathrooms of choice with fire hoses and dogs?\n\nAre trans gender people constantly fearing for their lives whenever they see a cop?\n\nDo you have to have a talk with your 9 year old son and try and explain to him how some cops aren't there to protect him?\n\nAbsolutely un-fucking believable that you would actually think this. This shit is exactly what Dave was trying to say.\n\nBut nope \"We'Ve HaD a BlAcK pReSiDeNt\" therefore racism is gone folks.", "It's a cultural thing. As trans people gain acceptance, a larger number of people come to the conclusion that the old accepted definition is insufficient in describing the word \"woman\" or \"man\" given what we know now. Given advancements in knowledge from an academic perspective, as well increased broader societal understanding, it only makes sense to adopt a more inclusive and accurate definition.", "Young Larry king kinda looks like Hugh Jackman", "Youre softening what TERFs are and what theyve said. This came from hardcore manhating feminists in the 80s that viewed transwomen as an INVASION by the enemy. \n\nAsk yourself, what would a transperson look like if society wasnt around? Theyd be fine. The issue is society. We've created this myth of these 2 groups and how theyre supposed to act/wear and anybody caught in the middle is viewed as like an abomination. The distinction of gender isnt a biological one, its a caricature based off a fuzzy list that we pretend is absolute like we're a bouncer in a club. No. That list is bullshit and the people you decide to let into the club is arbitrary.", "They got fired for barging into a boardroom with directors and slating them.\n\nAnyone doing that would be sacked lmao.", "I think he was talking about Andrew Dice Clay....", "No it isn't", "Cringe.", "Is Mrs. Doubtfire anti-trans?", "We should work to change that.", "Love Louie", "So you understand the word woman, historically, and to this day is often used to mean biological woman. And the usage is not always defaulted to gender identity.\n\nI would define trans woman as someone who identifies as a woman, but is not biologically female. But i am open to corrections or caveats to this definition.", "IMHO no group should get preferential treatment or feel that they cannot be made fun of. This \"you shouldn't punch down\" idea is ridiculous. Take the South Park approach and punch in every direction.", "Chappelle’s main message is that civil rights has taken the back burner in our society with all the distractions that we have. It’s been his message since his first skit on the Chappelle show", "Lmao", "Also, it helps that Carlin was more prolific. Or maybe Carlin just lived a lot longer. But George put out so many albums (almost all GREAT in my opinion) and toured relentlessly most of his life. I saw him 6 months before he died. Best show I’ve ever seen.", "Incorrect. I'll repeat: TERFs want feminist and trans issues to be addressed separately. That is not transphobia nor trans hate. \n \nI and my trans friends support Dave. We are not bigots. Daphne defended Dave; she was not a bigot. People aren't bigots because they disagree with your misunderstandings.", "“No one was upset when Dave was making fun of blacks”", "Boy, I really think you're missing the point. Chappelle isn't pandering to people who hate minority groups, he's just speaking his mind.", "No one wants to.\n\nThey want the outrage upvotes and high fives from internet strangers.\n\nIt’s funny because this same line of thinking is exhibited by trumpers who love to echo locate each other. The only difference is at least they’re coming from a place of empathy instead of hatred.", "I always admire people who can continue speaking for a long time without petering out with, \"So yea. Stuff like that.\"", ">It’s not like anyone who loses their jobs because of the foul shit they say is going to end up homeless or won’t be able to feed their kids.\n\nThis is unironically such an unfathomably privileged thing to say.", "The whole reason you're watching the clip right now. Let's not try and act like ADC wasn't a huge star for bits just like this.", "People choose to ignore context all the the time. That's how reddit works", "[Live at Carnegie Hall](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLzCbF4JvyQ)", "nah this dude was part of the first big internet porn boom. he had his own website and produced his own content. \n\nnot anywhere near as famous as a Ron Jeremy, but honestly probably made pretty similar cash.\n\nedit:\n\nputting this here because I can't add anything else to the thread. \n\nI dont know the dudes name.. but he had a site called MILF Hunter. real low budget. he actually co-owned a bar in Ft. Lauderdale for a while after his porn career died off.", "Yup. Dave isn't a dummy. He knows TERFs are hated bigots. The point here is that at least in this one situation, they might have a point. Even a broken clock is right twice a day. It reminds people that things aren't black and white. People aren't 100% hate or 0% right. Like TERFs are probably more 95% hate and 1% right.", "Yeah, he has been quiet preachy of late", "My favorite is all the people who say they've been \"canceled\" go on talk shows and call into radio and go back to their jobs as if nothing has changed except for the self-proclumation that they had been canceled somehow. Modern conservatism in a nutshell.", "FOH with this shit. Dave Chappelle is the GOAT when it comes to comedy. Y’all mad af over nothing. This trans shit is pure manufactured outrage. It has 0 affect in reality.", "OP probably thinks Chappelle was trying to incite violence or something.", ">It was me that said it. \n\nOmg. It was you.\n\nThe nazi supporter.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>And again I said I was ok with with living in a society that is ok with nazis being allowed to exist. \n\nNo you didn't...\n\n>>what context makes it okay to be a TERF? \n\n>Same thing that makes it ok to be Nazi or be Gay or be Trans? \n\nYou said it okay to be a nazi. The end.\n\nYou think it's okay to be a nazi.\n\nNot legal. You said okay.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>merely pointing out that outlawing them is the same stick thats been used against gays for hundreds of years. \n\nNope.", "Being unable to distinguish between legislation about human rights, and a Chappelle joke about your group is definitely you not having your head up your own ass, to use your expression.", "Wow. That aged soooo gracefully.", "than* than", "You missed the mark with that South Park analogy more than Michael Bay when he made Pearl Harbor", "Niki Lauda told us.", "Then why are you giving comedians preferential treatment? By the comments I’m seeing any valid or coherent ounce of criticism sent his way is met with rage and hate from people saying cancel culture is ruining everything lol\n\nCant even post a George Carlin video with parallels to modern day situations without half this community jumping down my throat like I’m advocating for Daves career to end lol", "Name a single person who was canceled and shouldn’t have been through their own actions? \n\nJesus Christ, a bunch of brownnosers sitting in their basement complaining about cancel culture as if it’s ruined lives.", "I know that's you Dave you can't trick me.", "Yeah. Same for Eddie Murphys Raw. His charisma is undeniable but it doesn't hold up imo.", "Yea that really felt like the crux of his point when he laughed at their genitals and called it beet juice lol", "Fine. Atleast I have a TV here to actually watch the show being talked about.", "I think this whole contraversy proves him right. \n\nHere we are endlessly debating a joke by a comedian meanwhile...democracy itself is in peril, legal abortion is on its way out the door, and people would rather die than take a vaccine. But yes it's is far more important to protest netflix over this than protest voting rights going away.\n\nWe are indeed doomed.", "Said by a man who understood that he was incredibly fortunate to be successful in the United States, but also had no qualms about exploring and debunking the misleading promises, the failures of government, and the abuses of power by the corporate elite. Who understood that the United States was imperfect, and had an obligation to do better by its citizens. To do better by ALL of its citizens, including women, the poor, gays and minorities.\n\nHe was not ungrateful, but he was also not willfully blind. Whatever America is, it perpetually fails tens of millions of its citizens; where returning veterans have little access to counselling and support, where suicide rates are nearly double that of every other first world country, where the leading cause of death among pregnant women is murder, where diabetics are charged thousands of dollars a month for insulin, where every* other first world country provides inexpensive access to the same life saving medication (In Canada for example, the same medication costs three thousand dollars a year), to students who walk through metal detectors to get to their classrooms, to states violating the US Constitution to deprive women of fundamental rights to autonomy over their own bodies, where for profit prisons are overcrowded with frequently non-violent offenders, where less than a year ago, violent insurrectionists attacked your democratically elected politicians; something that, even if you agree with the insurrectionists, shows that something is deeply wrong in the terribly divided land of the free. \n\nThis is not an exhaustive list of all of America's very critical faults; nor is America alone in its imperfection; but if you want to argue on behalf of the American dream because George Carlin had the bare minimum of freedoms to be able to pursue wealth and speak his mind? That rings pretty hollow, and it's simply not good enough. If you don't understand that, then you probably haven't got much understanding of the man, his material, or his message.", "They make shit policy in texas because texas is shit, not because of david chapelles netflix special lol, Nobody that watched the entire special is magically anti trans, If anything people that watched that special came out with a better understanding of the trans movement. You're just ranting on talking points that nobody disgarees with, even David Chapelle acknowledges trans people as their identified gender.", "There's no anger or rage. Chapelle just made a funny joke.", "bUt ThEyRe nOt ReAllY tRanSpHObIc, sNowFlaKes!!!!", "I agree with this, and I also agree with her as well. Was it important stuff that needed to be said? Yes. Was it comedy? No. I did not laugh, not much anyway.\n\nI'm also one of the handful of people who didn't love Bo Burnham's new special, and I love most of the stuff he's done. It was an interesting art piece, but I wasn't really entertained. Songs were good though.", "Sometimes, though, I still break out \"The lines at the bank can be so looong...\" and crack myself up.", "There is an old ass conspiracy theory that Bill Hicks isn't dead and that he is Alex Jones.", "Agreed. I consider the opinions of those that I interact with in real life. Much like Twitter, reddit is also not a real place", "Greatest sociologist in history.", "People are wrong when they defer the word to sex.\n\nNo. I mean tell me its dictionary definition like you did the others.", "It’s crazy how many people think they know what Dave’s message in the special was as opposed to what it actually was.", "Stop crying.", "Still is. What’s changed? He is terrific", "guess we just have to take dave's word for that, huh", "Carlin ruthlessly made fun of anyone he found unintelligent, which is almost anyone. He released a special with the title “I like it when a lot of people die.” People who are not familiar with the man are holding him up as a champion because it suits their agenda. Dude was wildly misanthropic, wouldn’t be shocked if he sided with Dave on this one.\n\nPeople have to get Carlin’s name out if their fucking mouths, he was too good to be dragged into this bullshit.", "Great Mind!", "There has been loads of psychology - not biology. Biology takes the opposing view, of male and female, and completely removes the component of consciousness from the equation. Two X-chromosomes? Female. X-Y? Male. Those factors influence the way a person grows up and how they experience their adolescence, how their hormones behave and affect their development. It’s truly tragic that people must go through their adolescence knowing they are experiencing the wrong version of it. I think the nuance is that the suffrage experiences that women, blacks, and trans people have all gone through have parallels and differences, and Dave seems to be zeroing in on the fact that the trans community has made much more progress in a shorter amount of time than the black community, and is identifying that the trans community holds enough power to stop somebody’s career in its tracks if they say the wrong thing. And he’s actively testing this theory on himself.", "That was one of the only funny jokes. He called them Beyond Meat pussies. Looks the same but tastes different. That special sucked, but the joke you hated the most was one of the only ones I laughed at.", "It's pretty insane to think about. We destroy entire countries and then try to get brownie points by raising some flags afterwards.", "The \"fight\" between trans women and TERFS shouldn't even exist. Trans women are women, and the amount of sexual harassment and bias against them is just as much as cis women. This isn't anecdotal, this has also been documented by people way smarter than me. So to call yourself a TERF isn't taking a side, it's equivalent to saying you support social Darwinism in 1980.\n\nAnd the misgendering was the \"joke\" about calling his trans friend a man. Maybe I'm too harsh on him for that, but it is still in very poor taste.", "> First off, WOW\n\nYeah, not reading this wall of concern trolling pretending that comparisons mean equating significance. Your reasoning is fundamentally flawed and the comparison shows it, it's not equating the struggle of black people and trans people.", "From the special, it appears like Daphne was just a friend from the clubs. He talks of how he had her number, but also didn't know anything about her family or daughter until after she died.\n\nI didn't perceive any speculation and I watched it twice. He said she was getting dragged on twitter, and that it doesn't help. Both true, and both don't claim to know the cause of her suicide. In fact, by saying \"I don't know what was going on in her life\", it triggers the audience to imagine something bad must have been going on in her life.", "Lol, no he did not.", "> I am not trying to silence anyone, please quote me specifically where I did that.\n> \n> I have done nothing but try and converse with people who want to discuss the actual content of the show with our resorting to insults.\n\n>I am willing to discuss any of this with you, I am not trying to silence anyone,\n\nThis is the peak sea lionest of sea lions that I've seen in the wild lmao", "Whether it's true or not, it's clearly Dave's perception, so to say that Dave was \"really really mad that his friend died while defending him\" isn't something that could be taken as completely incorrect.", "Well said!", "That’s how I always remembered him at the “shiny time station” till grew up and had more appreciation for him.", "Dave wasn’t punching down. Fuck the childish mob. Watch the special.", "ADC and quite a few others prove that sometimes just talking with a different accent or dialect is \"funny\".", "Hang in there, and there's a big purple veined dick joke in it for you.", "Wait, what??? Are you blaming white people for racist and misogynistic lyrics pinned and performed by black artists? Explain.", "Dave's entire point is that people care more about offending gay people or trans people than...anything right now. And since we've had nonstop calls for his special to be removed by those groups, it's kinda obvious that he wasn't wrong.", "Comedians are today's philosophers", "Stfu with your “what about”s. Your post undermines the main message of his whole career", "Because he WAS a dad. And because he was a HE. I'm sorry if you find this fact offensive.", "Can we be friends? Second most sane person I've seen in this comment section", "This video has nothing to do all with Chapelle in any way. Carlin is talking about Andrew Dice Clay. The point about punching up or down is not the controversy regarding Dave. If it was people would leave Dave alone instead of trying to cancel him.", "Regardless of whether they thought so, Dave chappelle saw a woman experience harassment in defense of him, then committed suicide shortly after. Then he even specifically says he didn’t know how much the harassment had to do with it. But imagine in his shoes, how are you going to separate that? Nobody can give a definite answer of how much it truly affected her since the one person who could is dead. No amount of internalizing those statements is going to remove what you feel is cause and effect.", "people are wrong when they do that.. as in morally wrong.. in your opinion.. in 2021. because you do not like the way the language works, and you think it would be more inclusive to change the language. and I think your heart is 100% in the right place.\n\nDictionary says \"a transgender person who has transitioned from male to female.\"\n\nalso \n\n\"a woman who was identified as male at birth\" <- that one seems like a pretty bad definition", "Did he put himself as gay? “Meet the girl of your dreams and you stick your hand up their skirt and you’re holding a tree trunk.”\n\nSounds to me like either you’re admitting they’re a woman or your gay. Can’t have it both ways.", "Not a damn thing. OP's trying to say that he's siding with neo nazis or something.", "I’d like to say no but after the last election I don’t think it would even surprise me…", "That's like saying somebody promoting whites-only feminist activism isn't actually racist because they just think racism and sexism are different. They're separate issues sure, but women who aren't white also exist and face both racism and sexism so they're not completely disconnected topics. The only way you can say that the trans and feminist movements are completely separate is if you don't think there's any overlap at all, which means you think trans women aren't actually women, which is anti-trans. Otherwise you acknowledge that they are women and then deliberately target them for exclusion, which is also anti-trans", "Right. I agree with you for once. It's definitely not that, because I understand the way people with huge platforms punching down at struggling minorities can shape the way society thinks about those minorities, which in turn will shape the way they elect their representatives, which in turn will shape the way legislation is made.\n\nBut that's three cognitive leaps I just made there, which is I guess two and a half leaps too far for you.", "\"Sure, if you don't make with the head\"", "Are you saying you have a damn say in my body?", "You seem to have your finger on the pulse of this issue. What exactly is wrong with being a TERF?", "Who the fuck is We? I won't stop talking about it just because you have no self control.", "Or he's made it a personal crusade on her behalf, at least that's how I see it. He's pushing for a conversation about cancel culture and it's going to come since all this stuff seems to be leading up to it, I am going to wait and see until that conversation actually happens though.", "I can't find a clip of it but I re-watched it on Netflix but he pretty much gives a textbook definition of what TERF is and means just before he starts the \"I'm team terf\" joke.", "Dave never knew her when she identified as a man. Dave only ever knew a mum and a women.\n\nShe also never was a dad. Much like gay people are always gay, even before they came out, so are trans people trans.", "No, it was a compliment. Damn, you people literally can't get appreciate any of this within the artistic context he was going with. All you can do is take what he said concretely and literally to satisfy your rage boners. \n\nGrow up.", "The Lewis Hamilton clip is relevant because he was being extremely scrutinized for every minor incident that other drivers would get lightly warned about. He said that he was joking by saying \"it was just a joke\" but he's recently talked about some of the racism he faced in earlier years in the sport. \n\nI include it because in every joke is an element of truth. Jokes can reveal someone's inner belief. He might have played it off as it being a joke, \"that's what Ali G says,\" but he wouldn't have just said that off the cuff.\n\nI refuse to seek through that mess of a special to find the exact quote but he definitely made connections to transpeople and blackface.", "And whose fault is that? Why is he taking shots at the others on the oppressed list rather than the rich white fucks that continue to steal from all of us while the minorities go at each other's throats?\n\nThey don't even need to keep us down anymore, we do it to each other for them. Shit needs to stop. He needs to be punching UP. Way up.", "It's basically morphed into a debate about free speech", "All of you in the comments doing sophistry as a way to write off David... go fuck yourselves. People see through you", "He’s answering your question, your just a fucking idiot trying to start a fire where one doesn’t need to be. You’re a fucking asshole, that’s the only thing coming from this conversation.", "There is more outrage on Dave Chappelle's comedy special than there was Joe Biden bombing children in a botched airstrike because he wanted a good tough guy appearance for a media headline. Liberals are mentally ill. Glad your attention is in the right place.", "> I don’t know if was them dragging or I don’t know what was going on in her life but I bet dragging her didn’t help. \n \nThat seems pretty damn clear to me. It seems the only way to interpret it is that Dave didn't know what was going on in her life but I bet dragging her didn’t help. \n \n> No one will use it for their own narrative? \n \nYou're sure trying to...just like the others I see bring it up, you're intentionally pretending that he's saying the bullying was the cause. He clearly never said that. Further, in spoken form, it's perfectly clear that obviously other things were the cause. He specifically said she was tough and had \"thick skin\". You and others are blatantly ignoring all context *and* twisting the actual words while quoting them. Lmfao.", "Comedians make fun of my religion and it definitely pisses me off, but I don’t go start a protest against them and their work. I think that’s the problem. People are mobilizing over things that should be shrugged off.", "I miss old fashioned gays.", "Proof?\n\nLel im pretty sure if Dave wasnt truthful on Daphne' death her family would have voiced out at the top of their lungs - do you doubt Dave didnt console with her family before airing this special?\n\nThe only proof I found was a Facebook post shared around - so by your logic why believe that? Yeah because Dave said it? Why I have this Facebook post that just came up after the special! Case closed", "I'm paraphrasing but he said something like \"I don't know what's going on with her in her life but it [the harassment] didn't help.\"", "Yeah, no. Love Carlin and he is absolutely correct but this doesn't apply to Chappelle.", ">only reply with 'why are you trying to silence me', 'you didn't watch the special', 'oh yeah?\n\nYou forgot \"It's a joooke, he's a comedian!\" and \"his friend was trans!\"", "No, WE MUST BE OFFENDED!", "He seems pretty [dumb and racist](https://youtu.be/4FUpttuzlxA) here", "That could very well be the case. Much like a lot of the \"woke movements.\" Many younger white people, acting offended and outraged on behalf of others.", "Dave is still punching down so it's relevant", "He literally declared he's not transphobic and explained that you would have to be afraid of trans people to be one. He jokingly labeled himself a TERF to say he feels that biological womanhood is inherently different than trans, not that trans is lesser in anyway. He goes on to say that Trans women who were originally white men demand the privileges that come with that distinction while occupying the historically disenfranchised sex. Men who transition to a woman will never have to live with the fear of being pregnant with a rapist's child. So he used TERF to say he supports women and women's rights. Some of which do overlap with trans women, but not all. It's a nuanced distinction I know, but sometimes truths can make people feel bad. Maybe the individual should take just a modicum of responsibility for their emotional wellbeing and not lash out at society and demand everyone kowtow to their whims.", "Unlike most commenting on the matter, you actually watched the special and summed it up well", "https://i.imgur.com/V3wQ8DP.jpg", "No he wouldn’t. \n\nCarlin was smart enough to know that in this country, private companies can choose what they sell or offer to their customers. \n\nCarlin also knew that if you said something people didn’t like, there’s a chance they will turn on you and stop supporting you. \n\nYes, Carlin would have said “Dave can say whatever he wants” and I do believe that he probably wouldn’t personally condemn Dave for those jokes- BUT Carlin wasn’t some neckbeard who thought people should be able to say whatever they want without repercussions- that’s literally not how free speech, this country, nor life work. \n\nI imagine Carlin’s thoughts would echo his thoughts in this posted video.\n\nEdit: just want to add that Dave can still do standup without Netflix. No one is stopping him from having a career. Netflix just doesn’t want their brand tarnished- something every company thinks about.", "Good call. Hicks was amazing. Robert Schimmel was another who died too young.", "Oh shit bro, you figured me out. My darkest secret has been revealed.", "Trans are a minority but not an underdog. They're actually seen as such a special treatment group that you're not allowed to joke about them like u would about other groups. The moment u turn trans you become a protected class and people instantly start giving u special treatment.", "The harassment from her own community didn't help and that's what Dave said. Not what you're emplying which is that that harassment was the one and only thing to cause her suicide.", "I like your choices of people to like. My kind of people. People that spoke fucking common sense. People that see things for what they are. People who would defend your right to say something, but also punch you if you insisted on using that right to harm others.\n\nThat's what I don't get. These people spoke simple truths. It's not like they're genius philosophers (musicians and comedians though). They just spoke common fucking sense and here we are (not you and me) debating what kind of libertarian Hicks was. \n\nHicks was common fucking sense and would probably not like to be shoe horned into a category.\n\nPuhh, rant over.", "drag =/= trans", "Buddy with this definition you could say anyone who ever is rude to a trans person for any reason is transphobic. There’s a problem with that type of thinking.", "I dont might the content of Dave's last special. I think comedians should be able to say whatever they want. However, I just found most of it genuinely unfunny, regardless of the subject matter. It was a huge let down. Im a big stand up fan and Dave has always been, obviously, one of the greatest. He still is. But to me, this special is the stain on his legacy. Really sad to go out making jokes no more funny, clever, or original than what I hear in my small town bars.", "His uncuts suck.", "Being working class and poor is a marginalised group.", "I don't think you know what the word paraphrase means.", "Why lie?\n\nHe said he was on the terf team and agreed with them then said terfs look at trans women like black people look at blackface.\n\nWhy can’t you be honest?", "Oh well add this to your sample size: He's a miserable boomer.", "Don’t see any bigots here. Just a piece of shit throwing fingers for no reason other than the fact that they are a piece of shit.\n\nAka you.", "Exactly, it's just straight up insulting to everyone who struggles with this shit and doesn't have millions to afford top of the line surgeries and shit", "I agree. Its like saying that oppressed people arent capable of doing heinous crimes.\n\nWe are humans. We are capable of doing the best and the worst things imaginable.", "I’ve heard multiple accounts of people who said Dave was not accepting of Daphne or at the very least was not trying to be. He frequently outed her, dead naked her, failed to use proper pronouns, and even made jokes about her. Now, to him, it may not have been mean spirited and he felt he did nothing wrong, but it’s clearly he never respected her enough to do better and boosted himself at her expense.", "Isn't that even worse? He's pretty much saying, \"Here's what TERF means. Here is the textbook definition. It means someone who identifies themselves as a feminist but would never, and will never, accept trans women as women. I personally identify with that acronym. I am that person\". Cue trans people being upset because he's literally saying that he doesn't think trans people are valid. \n\n\nBut you're saying this is all a big misunderstanding somehow?", ">but it’s also hard to disagree that trans people in particular are having to fight for their lives right now\n\nThere have been 20 Trans people killed since 2019. Are people being killed for being trans? Absolutely. Is the number nearly as high as the discourse is making it sound? No. That may sound bad and it may be blunt, but we need to stop acting as though some kind of genocide is taking place.", "Thanks", "Not a transwoman, but everyone's experiences are different and can't that easily be grouped into their social identity. However I've never met a transwoman irl who claimed to have an equivalent experience to a cis woman. There are similarities, especially for those who pass well enough, but most of their lived experiences are that of being a transwoman specifically, and as such can have similarities to the general experience of being a woman as well.", "I fucking loved George Carlin. I really miss him. I don't follow celebrities or even see them as people really, but God damn do I feel like I vibe with this guy.", "\"putting his life on the line\", lol for sure dude", "Isn't weird if that if gender ideology is viewed as artiface and clothing choice, most of the \"trailblazers\" and \"warriors\" turn back into privlaged straight white men punching down?", "Not morally, linguistically. \n\nAlthough I do believe people who purposefully choose a definition to exclude trans women are morally wrong as well, so you're correct on that.\n\nYour definitions for trans women already shows they are women by today's definitions.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nI'm not sure if I have an opinion, but why do you think that one's bad?", "So, yes, you don't understand the difference. As I said, if you are that clueless, we can't help you.", "He is the best.", "A bit much no? It's comedy and he's generalizing an entire group of people. I'm still surprise how people don't see Carlin as full of shit. He's the intellectuals Dane Cook.", "Funny cause he spent two different specials whinging about them taking the Oscars away from Kevin hart like they took his first born", "You really dug for that one huh? Look at the news coverage about it and how they were arrested for performing The great piece of art that is Pop That Pussy. And yes white Americans were offended that the song was called pop that pussy and every other rap artist because it was becoming mainstream so it was now being played in their home.", "I think Rogan started his podcast that way, and I used to kinda be a fan. I wasn't a regular listener, but I tuned in every so often. The past 5 or so years, though, he definitely become more and more right-wing, IMO. I'm a big MMA fan, and I want to like Rogan, I just can't anymore. He has so many ridiculous nut-jobs on, he's effectively a right-wing host now. Again, IMO. I can't be a fan of anyone who is legitimately friends with Alex Jones.", "I'm pretty sure its a well proven fact at this point especially after the Facebook leaks that social media definitely contributes to depression and suicidal thoughts. \n\nWhat he said would be accurate regardless of the actual reason that pushed her over the edge.", "> Sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me?\n\nThat's always been an incredibly naive statement, because words do, in fact, hurt people. Like you can say dumb catchphrases all you want, but it doesn't make the hurt words cause people any less legitimate or real. More often, in my experience, the phrase you're quoting has been used to excuse people for saying things they knew to be bad, in exactly the way you are now. It's another way of saying \"stop being offended snowflake.\" At the end of the day, when someone says something hurtful, it's up to them to own up and apologize. It doesn't matter if they intended harm or not, because they still caused harm.\n\nThis is, like, 3rd grade stuff.", "Fringe enough that he brought it up as one of the reasons himself in an interview? \n\nhttps://www.looper.com/266269/the-real-reason-dave-chappelle-quit-his-sketch-show/", "I know a guy Dave Chapelle that’s pretty good as well, check him out mate.", "It kinda goes to show the state of the country that Chappelle is under fire for simply stating the obvious. I don't think these groups realize that they're fighting for a world where they are above criticism.", "I mean, statistics don't lie. The 90s were predominantly white, and when you're lumping together two generations of white males, they're gonna make up the biggest demographic there is. Whether they were targeted the hardest or not, that's still the biggest demographic in the country during the 90s.", "Bigots don't support feminist nor trans people. Your premise is wrong by its very definition. \n \nAlso, I literally just explained it to you. TERFs want feminist issues addressed separately. For example, women's equality is a different issue from trans acceptance. The question of \"should women be treated equally to men\" is an entirely different question than \"is sex different than gender\". \n \nThat said, yes, some TERFs are horrible, but that does not mean all TERFs are hateful. That is the misunderstanding.", "Little boy blue,\n\nHe needed the money!", "You're the one equating gay people to* nazis and saying it's okay to be one.\n\nAre you going to start saying we can't make killing gay people illegal because doing so is equivalent to the laws that made being gay illegal?\n\n\"Real gays\"? I'm fake?", "Wow, that’s hard to watch. Chappelle’s act was fundamentally different. He didn’t give that community a hard time for being who they are like Clay.", "Good summary of the special. This definitely seems like your typical controversy where all nuance is lost due to the loudest voices on both sides shouting over everyone else.", "said the guy who felt incensed to tell someone that it can't possibly be intrinsic, for i, pmurph2112, surely, personally do not feel this way at all (except on closer inspection you do).\n\nits obvious by your reddit history that you have some weird fucking complex so i hope you find some internet validation soon, i see that posting about the time you lent somebody 30 dollars didnt work and nobody cared enough about your middling face to roast you, so hopefully being a contrarian moron works out well for you", "Um, no. Sorry. I do not live in your fantasy universe. \n\nI will always respect someone's pronouns, but you're fucking crazy if you want me to think the dude wasn't born male. \n\nThis is literally the kind of insane bullshit Chappelle was speaking to. Also, you tacky ass shallow queen, there's no such gender as trans or gay. You're comparing pussies to dicks there. \n\nGo yell at the sky or something 'cuz I cannot take you seriously.\n\nSincerely, \nAn artsy dude that had gay friends in high school in the early 90's, and is for trans rights. \n\nPS: STFU.", "What's out of touch about all this, exactly?", "please tell us more about your expertise in satire compared to George Carlin.", "Well, it's either that or be funny. And apparently he can't do the latter anymore.", "Referring back to his own argument, not mine.", "It's becoming impossible to talk about Chappelle without threads getting locked for wrongthink.", "Must have been about Dice", "Oh the humanity. This is such a tired trope. Woe is you.\n\nYou're literally advocating to be a special protected species where nobody is ever allowed to make jokes about your special little group. Extrapolated to its full extent, no group other than I assume white males will ever be allowed to have humor taken at their expense again, lest somehow this results in 'society' entirely failing to understand the joke, whereby I assume Gulags are the next step in this hilarious scenario.\n\nGet over yourselves. Dave makes fun of everyone. You're not special. Or should I start writing emails to every comedian on the planet that they no longer have a job?", "Jesus Christ man…", "I never see people respond to that statement genuinely. I really want to know the deep \"social commentary \" there is", "He was speaking from the point of communities not economic wellbeing. And we both know you wouldn't pull this shitty argument with Caitlyn Jenner who is far wealthier than Dave. Black people's suffering is far far greater than the trans community. And Dave worked his way to economic success. Do poor people who achieve success no longer get to speak to the poor experience? Are you noticing the hypocrisy yet??", "At least I know enough not to bash something I didn't even see", "“I don't even know why you're listening to me. I've done commercials for both Coke and Pepsi. Truth is, I can't even taste the difference, but Pepsi paid me last, so there it is.”", "The Uberwokes have turned into the religious conservatives.", "They have every right to be upset, but no right to make sure everyone else feels the same way.", "No, George Carlin felt that it was potentially offensive to others. There's a difference. Carlin is the first person who would always stand up for creative license and comedy. He was a huge advocate of being an equal opportunity offender, provided anything was a potential topic. Where Carlin ultimately felt there could be a problem was when we began picking and choosing which topics could and could not be made fun of.\n\n [George Carlin's take on political correctness](https://youtu.be/G9n8Xp8DWf8)", "Tbh you sound far more miserable than him. Have a laugh", "Her family aren't good enough then?", "So he was attacking them personally as in how they live their private lives, or by how they were acting towards others? In what way is my comment not accurate?", "And he ended his special saying that he would not discuss them in his standup anymore.\n\nIf everyone had just left it there, the world would not be so pointlessly incensed by a mediocre comedy special.\n\nIt's not his responsibility to be totally ok with a certain group of people. He clearly explains his grievances in the special with White LGBT. People are choosing to ignore it and stir shit for no reason (jk it's actually racism!).", "One of a kind Carlin was… Great comedian use to watch him a lot.", "I'm not giving anyone preferential treatment. I'm saying I don't agree with George Carlin at all. I am Jewish, if you want to make fun of Jews go right ahead. Again no group should feel as if they are off limits. Also, who makes these list of who can and cannot be made fun of? And who made them judge, jury and executioner?", "It’s solidly in Poe’s law territory that’s for sure", "You sound triggered my dude. Also it’s “effect”", "This is interesting. If that's the case, the term has been wrongly applied for the last 5 years or so. That definition definitely does not apply to, for example, J.K. Rowling, nor (by extension) Chappelle. \n \nSince it seems you missed my edit, Rowling made it very clear that she doesn't hate trans people: https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/", "It's insane how much you can say without saying anything at all lol", "Not even close. Hicks was an intelligent guy with some good politically driven material. Carlin was a genius that shaped what was possible with comedy and was absolutely brilliant when it came to understanding humanity across many spectrums. Which I feel Dave chappelle has done for for his generation (the one exception being the homophobia on the chappelle show 20 years ago) if you aren’t too busy being outraged.", "Right or any movie for that matter. Hell Dave wore a Tutu in Men in Tights. It's pretty hilarious. That's why it has been used for comedic effect since literally ancient greece.", "BING!", "The true face revealed. You're only one of us as long as you think the same.", "it tastes better", "What a fucking shithole", "Honestly, I would consider it a good thing. He's recognizing that community and putting them in the same boat as everyone else. All this backlash makes it seem like they don't know how to take a joke or roll with the punches.", "Shhhh, that goes against the narrative that Dave misled the audience, which somehow lessens the experience he had with another person. /s", "I haven’t really watched any of his stuff but watched some bits since this all started to bubble over and he’s really good.", "Yeah apparently this concept is too hard to comprehend for Dave and everyone defending him", "You're literally building a [strawman](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man) just so you can knock it down. But we've already established that cognition is not your strong suit so I can't say I'm surprised.", "Who are they talking about?", "What debate is there? A handful of people that work at Netflix are upset over some jokes", "You're using the word power incorrectly.", "So because he's rich and famous that makes him less human? Does that rule apply to Robin Williams as well? I think what annoys more about this thought process is the lack of empathy towards someone who, at the end of the day, is human. He's trying to make a point of having more empathy towards other people, and having humility in learning something new. Perspectives change, and oftentimes they lead to personal discoveries or changes in ways of thinking that can only help formulate you to be a better person. You literally prove Dave's point by trying to be above someone else just because you want to stand on complete extremist angles of your opinion.", "That is 100% not what he saying, but great job putting words in his mouth.", "Did you just compare ignoring someone to asking for their livelihood to be completely removed? \n\nThanks for confirming my assumptions about your intelligence.", "TLDR:\n\nOP got donkey brain and lacks the certificate to prove otherwise.", "I don't think you understand Dave's message at all. You should watch the Netflix special again", "Except George Carlin continued to make good comedy. Chappell is punching down and trying to die on a hill. I could care less about making fun of trans or white or gay or Asian or conservative or liberal, or saying canceled words, but make good comedy.", "Well, him and all of Daphne's family that stand with Dave. Yeah, I'll take all of that over some rando trans-whiteknight on the internet trying to ride the latest outrage wave for magic internet points.", "He's focused on other things that he deems more important.", "Well yeah he closes with a joke about exactly that", "The rules of the road", ">I will always respect someone's pronouns, but you're fucking crazy if you want me to think the dude wasn't born male. \n\nWhat's that got to do with internal gender identity?\n\nGay people were born gay.\n\nTrans people were born trans.\n\nEither way, Dave still never knew this person as a man. So why would he refer to them as such when reminiscing about them?\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>Also, you tacky ass shallow queen, there's no such gender as trans or gay. You're comparing pussies to dicks there. \n\nWhat?\n\nI didn't say being gay was a gender.\n\nAnd obviously trans isn't a gender, it's a label that describes how your gender relates to what you were assigned at birth.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>Go yell at the sky or something 'cuz I cannot take you seriously.\n\nHow can you take me seriously when you can't read?\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>Sincerely, An artsy dude that had gay friends in high school in the early 90's, and is for trans rights. \n\nDo you believe trans women are women?", "So does Rogan. Your point against is actually an own-goal.", "JK Rowling was attacked and sent death and rape threats by the same groups claiming to be pro-women and all for equality.", "So you'd be perfectly comfortable wearing a skirt and makeup then and getting all the attention that that entails?", "> I don’t believe gender and sex are different. It’s a full stop for me at that point.\n\nThat'd be the point of the argument. If it's something you arbitrarily refuse to ever budge on, then of course no one will change your mind, just like no one will change the mind of someone who refuses to accept that 2+2 = 5 is false. That doesn't make the statement true though. \n\n> i don’t really buy into the argument that just because there’s statistical anomalies in the gene pool that you can claim that there isn’t two genders\n\nI'm claiming the binary system of sex and gender objectively do not model the human experience. They are inaccurate models and all of science is in agreement with this. They are bimodal spectrums that we've forced into binary categories because it works \"well enough\". \n\n> There are people out there with six 11 fingers but that doesn’t mean that we as a species do not have 10.\n\nAnd there are people out there who are born with only 1 leg, yet we don't pretend they have 2 legs and say \"you'll fit into the 2 legged system because humans are supposed to have 2 legs\". We see atypical development and we make exceptions for it. We have not done this with sexual development. Literally to the point where we used to surgically alter babies with disorders of sexual development. Our society attempts to uphold the gender binary despite biology not aligning with it.\n\nThis is the same argument that was the default for homophobia. \"It isn't natural\", \"it's atypical\", \"they're statistically insignificant\", so our society doesn't have to be accepting of them. Instead just force them into the \"correct\" sexual orientation.\n\n> People can pass for a lot of different things that doesn’t change who they are.\n\nThis is literally admitting that socially recognized gender isn't based on sex. Again, otherwise someone's presentation would not affect your perception of their gender, because their sex hasn't changed. If sex is what defines gender, then how they dress and act would have no impact on how you perceive them socially. But it does because gender is a social concept that is separate from sex. \n\n> it’s a politically correct (and possibly good) way of making some people outliers of the population feel better.\n\nJust to be clear, the concept that gender is socially constructed isn't even a talking point for progressives. It's simply an observation. Even under the current system, gender is socially constructed, we aren't arguing that it should be, it simply is. The argument of progressives is that the social construct of gender should be changed* to be based on self identification. That is what would make for a more universally beneficial system. The fact that gender is a social construct doesn't inherently help anyone, in fact it harms people. Most trans people tend to be gender abolitionists for this very reason.", "Dice Clay’s content and Chapelles are about as far apart as you can get.", "Well, that and they practice the same bits over and over until they figure out the delivery that lands consistently well. It’s why just about everything is better when someone has practiced it hundreds of times vs their first try.", "Well he is an asshole.", "Once you realize him as a cartoon character it lessens the cringe of it. Think a more misogynistic Johnny Bravo.", "Funny how this applies to Republicans to this day. So many white dudes fearful for their masculinity and their perception of superiority.", "What did he say about black people that was as derogatory as what he said about trans people?", "The right will always collect terminology of the oppressed in order to weaponize it past any point of recognition. Communism, feminism, woke, cancel, socialism, CRT, global warming, terfs have all become signifiers to fellow right wingers rather than ideas.\n\nOh, but per your question: I submit Monica Lewinsky and Janet Jackson.", "This video has nothing to do with the Dave Chappelle special and 2 transsexuals being outraged because they don’t understand art, or nuance. Damn you for taking Carlin’s words and using them incorrectly.", "I completely agree. It was a terrific lack of shame or fear all around. So much of society is based on bolstering shame and fear, in order to cause individuals to make shitty choices based on those things. All for the sake of forcing consumption of yet more poison. John Cusack has become quite outspoken in a similar way, believe it or not.", "You can guarantee George today would have a lot of criticism about him in today's day and age. He's no stranger to pushing the buttons and questioning asinine things. He was always very outspoken on politics and religion. I mean hell, look at how much flak he caught for saying a handful of bad words that everyone used but god forbid you say them in forms of various media\n\nIf people are looking to be offended, they will always find something to be offended about.", "See.....you're no fucking better. The irony here about how one twists the narrative when that's exactly what you're doing. Whether or not you watched it can be questioned now cause it sounds like you're taking the same old talking point that everyone just latches on to instead of actually listening to the entire special. I just saw a thing on Bill Maher talk about the Dave situation, the underlying consensus, ultimately, is that you're not always right.\n\nThings are not absolutes, and you dragging her story and twisting it to fit your narrative only makes you look just as bad as the person you are trying to accuse. It's so shameful.", "I did answer your question. Bigots do not join either side. They hate trans people. They also hate feminists. \n \nI've never met a single feminist who hates trans people. I've met hundreds of feminist. Not a single one of them hated trans people. None. Zilch. Nada. \n \nI think you're conflating groups.", "Dave has basically proved that \"being cancelled\" doesn't mean anything if you don't play by the Twitter mob's rules. So in a way, I guess he's overcome it.", "[like this?](https://youtu.be/G9n8Xp8DWf8)", "No i dont mean twitter.", "I like Carlin and I don't know about the Dice thing he's talking about, but he's applying a very political view of comedy as if its mainly a weapon in a war of ideas. Thats what comedy was for him, but I don't know that thats what comedy is to most people or even to most comics. Carlin was always a rebel with a specific cause and an enemy he wanted to attack. Thats not the kind of lens that Chappelle's comedy aught to be viewed through imo and I don't even like Chappelle that much.", "That people want to actively hinder his ability to preform his work because some lunatic isn’t capable of critical thinking and has gotten upset over something he has said.", "Yes fringe enough!\n\n\nHe literally says the main reason he left was to spend time with the family and that it wasn’t healthy for his family. I don’t know the man personally, so I guess there could be an issue of people yelling racist jokes at his kids that he had said, but you literally a cherry picked a later comment (from that interview!) that he made about an incident that also bothered him.\n\nIt’s like saying: I quit my job because my boss was verbally abusive and I never got a lunch break...and going: YOU QUIT BECAUSE OF YOUR LUNCH BREAK?!\n\nI’m not saying you’re lying...he definitely said what he said...but you’re certainly reaching to say that I’m wrong.", "And San Francisco is STILL the cock jockey capital of the word 🤷🏿‍♂️", "And there's absolutely nothing he possibly insinuated from that comment, which he framed entirely as the biggest event in her life prior to the suicide.\n\nDude's a fucking hack, and exploited a dead woman's tragedy to get another multimillion dollar check from Netflix. There's not really any defense for that.", "He has lost work since this incident occurred.", "this actually has a name: intersectionality\n\nobviously the life of a trans woman is different from a cis woman, but that nuance obviously was absent from chappelle's comments. TERFS aren't \"acknowledging such differences\", they are trying to shut trans women out of society and punish them out of malice with cruel actions that solve nothing and further no discussions. \n\nas a cis woman, being used as a scapegoat to hurt people disgusts me. I'll consider a trans woman a sister to me before these fucking women who permanently victimize themselves just as a means to hurt people and laugh and jeer. Tits and making babies are what make a woman, I suppose? how is that not the most sexist thing imaginable, to boil us down to biological aspects??", "Goat without a doubt", "..... You mean the show republicans thought was 100% true? \n\nThat many still think is true?", "If there’s one thing associated with being in a powerless demographic it’s the ability to ruin people’s lives for criticizing it’s members. Lol", "That person was fired for leaking company secrets. What is it with you guys and constantly trying to act like Netflix is silencing activists?", "They have to lose because how the hell would they ever believably win when they're that damn dumb?", "I believe nbc has done their best to delete the snl version of ebony and ivory from existence", "Lol cool, you looked on my public profile and saw things I publicly posted. Idk what you were hoping would happen by bringing them up, it’s not like I’m hiding that stuff. I’m mentally ill and sometimes, when I can’t talk to my friends for whatever reason, I vent into the void on reddit. Ya caught me!\n\nAnd just for the record, two corrections. I said I didn’t find the idea of a man in a dress inherently funny, and I still don’t; and giving my friend money actually made me feel pretty good !", "Holy fuck go outside", "Not a chance. You're crying about jokes about the alphabet people and clearly making a case that you don't think they should be allowed.\n\nTrue or false?", "I love George", "lol cool", "I honestly only know of this from Third Eye by Tool. I tried to listen/watch Hick but I just couldn't. I love Carlin, but Hicks was a little off for me", "\"Chapelle is talking about power and who has it and why.\"\n\nYou and I think alike. My interpretation is that he saying 'what' is the power and 'how' is it used? And 'why' is it used in the way that it has been with this generation.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"This is my last special because *I have an objective tonight*...I'd like to start by *addressing the LGBTQ community directly* and I want every member of that community to know that *I come here tonight in peace*.\" 9m35s\n\n \n\"God damnit *look how well this movement is going*. *Look how well you are doing*. And we have been trapped in this predicament for hundreds of years, *how* the fuck are you making that kind of progress?\" 13m46s", "Notice when Larry said, why are we laughing and George cut him off and said, not we.", "Party on, dudes!", "There's a fine line to walk here..sometimes the harder you push the more stubborn the other side gets. \n\nLetting netflix know you don't like it and why fine. Asking them not to work with/support him in the future unless he changes great.\n\nAsking them to take it down,staging a walkout in protest...that's going a bit too far and only pushing people, whose mind you want to change, further away.", "If people are offended by comedy they need to do 2 things:\n\nLearn to laugh \n\nGet your hole \n\nGetting both will mellow you out.", "If you think Dave Chappelle is manipulating angsty white male audiences, then you're just not paying attention to what he says.", "No it’s not because trans women are not biological women and biological women need protections as well.", "If Daphne identified as a 'she' then calling her a father is inaccurate and hurtful. There's no other way to take that statement except literally.", "The crazy thing about Bill Hicks is how much funnier he gets the older and angrier I get. I used to like FEEL his jokes as just truth to power speeches. But I didn’t really process it as jokes. Now when I watch him I catch myself full-on belly laughs out loud. He and George Carlin are two of the greatest of the greatest.", "Generally i think the cancel culture debate is stupid and overall I agree with you. But Al Franken would qualify for this I think.", "I dont like the term \"assigned ___ at birth\" or \"Identified as ___ at birth\" it seems unscientific. Sure generally people are identified based on their biology, but not always.. flat out mistakes are made. If someone was mistakenly identified as the wrong gender, then went on to identify as their biological gender, i wouldn't consider them trans. \n\nLinguistically if a female \n\n>can bear offspring or produce eggs, distinguished biologically by the production of gametes (ova) which can be fertilized by male gametes.\n\nAnd a trans woman must transition into a Female.. than there has never been a trans woman ever. We are not scientifically advanced enough to create trans women. Maybe some day, and honestly i hope for that future, it would warm my heart if those who wanted that were able to obtain it. /Aside from maybe some 1/30000 intersex situation.. but it would mean the vast majority of those who identify as trans women are not trans women.\n\nBut again.. you keep going back to insisting that using the word woman to mean biology is linguistically incorrect... As of what year did that change occur? Is it important to hold to that axiom? because IMO this misunderstanding is the foundation of all your other points. If you cant yield that the goal is to change the language to be more inclusive, if you must insist that no change ever occurred.. i just cant trust your opinion on anything else. Johns Hopkins didn't get it wrong, 99.9% of scientists, professors, scholars, authors... dictionaries, encyclopedias.. didnt all get it wrong... it is a widely accepted use of the word. If your entire point relies on gas lighting... if everything else is built on top of that.. it will just make people more comfortable disagreeing with you.", "He was a true satirist and refused to dumb down his act to ensure that audiences were getting the correct joke. A satirical bit about school books featuring same sex parents is beautifully layered but a lot of people laughed because they agreed that two women being together was more okay than the men because it was hot rather than the underlying joke about people being selective with their outrage.\n\nHicks was a beat poet whereas Carlin was a philosopher.", "Your understanding of biology and it's influence on this matter is incorrect", "I think he is talking about Clay.", "I specifically said exactly why your point doesn't deserve engagement. My entire point is that your point is gaslighting. It is false. Dave specifically said and made crystal clear that other issues lead to her death and that, \"I bet dragging her didn't help\". It doesn't get more clear than that. The only reason to misinterpret it is to gaslight.", "You are correct, I have seen it today even. It's happening right now.", "People watching would have insinuated. That's on them for not listening.", "I'm beginning to think that if progressives didn't have a lock/ban/delete button they couldn't argue, discuss, or make a point about anything.", "> Do you believe trans women are women?\n\nHey dipshit... why aren't you just calling them women instead of trans women?", "Really? The man who just made some 40 million dollars off of three specials making insensitive jokes about a marginalized group that includes people of color isn't punching down?", "[Oh, look at my African American over there.](https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/12/politics/trump-my-african-american-cheadle-rally-blake/index.html)", "I definitely agree about your comparison to someone calling themselves a Nazi as a joke but if they did four specials in a row where they made those jokes you'd start to wonder a bit.", "JK getting funded by big TERF confirmed.", "A…", "Rogan is a mixed bag. He's left on some issues and right on others. He's definitely not a fascist. Someone described him recently as, \"a smart but impressionable child,\" and I think they nailed it. Rogan just spends too much time now with his right wing friends.", "Sounds like you want to put words in his mouth so you can be angry to me.", "\"I'm willfully ignorant and these guys with pitchforks seem pretty cool.\"", "Ban? From what? And what bigots? You miserable sad sack of shit. \n\nYou’re literally ruining what lgbt stands for by being such a ignorant child. You should be ashamed.\n\n“Whaaa mommy! The lady called out my stupid ass! Whaa shut her up!” <- that’s you, you fucking embarrassment.", "There's no point in engaging with someone who thinks they're having a rational argument while insisting on using dismissive phrases like \"the alphabet people\".\n\nHave a nice night, or alternatively go fuck yourself, don't really care which.", "Most of them did not even watch his special.", "K well that's where 99% of these \"battles\" are being fought so let's not pretend different, you're not in a \"street war\" and neither is Dave Chappelle. It's great that we're privileged enough as a society that we think this is a \"war\", but it's literally just people hurting each others feelings on the internet. You have the power to stop others hurting your feelings. It's not hard.", "Because /u/katievspredator and all these other shitposters are doing literally the thing they are accusing Dave of doing - trying to claim to speak for Daphne about what she would want in all of this, because it fits their cancel crusade agenda.\n\nTherefore, anything ANYBODY says in support of Dave is automatically wrong - even the family. Daphne herself could have prerecorded a fucking message in support of Dave and they would still dismiss it, but they call Dave the blind bigoted asshole. lol\n\nEdit: To /u/zoranac below me, since the thread has been locked. \n\n&#x200B;\n\n> and did not give permission to him to keep her from resting in peace.\n\n/u/katievspredator literally put words in Daphne's mouth, making assumptions about what was or was not said between her and Dave. Take your own advise.", "You're right there's an element of truth but none of it involves him acting transphobic.\n\nAnd i literally just provided the context. The burden of proof is on you. You spent a bunch of time scrounging random ass bullying articles from non credible websites but you won't skip through a special for evidence you're adamant about?", "He also didn't live past 32, so who knows how he'd have changed by 2021.", "So you're totally comfortable wearing a skirt and makeup in the privacy of your own home then? No chance you'd feel even the slightest bit emasculated by doing that? Your boss doesn't live with you, I hope.", "If you have to resort to punching down for your comedy you are not a comedian, you are a bully.", "These libs in this thread who can't see the difference in the zeitgeist between now and then don't have any idea how George would weigh in on the Chappelle thing. Go to his special when he talked about feminists and how he said he loved to piss off anyone who takes themselves too seriously. He would be provoking these LGBT fanatics who want to police speech. He's the most famous anti-censorship comic alongside Lenny Bruce. 7 dirty words? You people know nothing.", "Yes, honestly I’m tired of talking about everything. I personally operate better moving on. If someone is hurt by someone else’s words they need to deal with that and talk to people closest to them. Don’t take it out on everyone else. Whatever happened to Sticks and Stones?", "However watch him in Entourage and he was actually pretty fucking good, even for essentially playing himself.", "Rufus!", "This is already going to be buried, but Lenny Bruce was the one that unknowingly spearheaded, EVERYTHING for modern comedians. Carlin, Pryor, Williams, Chappelle, Dice Clay, fucking everyone that works as a comedian. Seinfeld, McDonald, everyone.\n\nI can’t say enough about the guy and everyone should look him up. A martyr of free speech", "Yeah the last two specials on Netflix were kinda disappointing indeed. Very few funny things and mostly I was just thinking why the fuck is he even bothering saying this shit to a public audience? Most of it wasn’t even close to being jokes lol", "Amusing that when compelled to actually address the point, the answer is almost always to instead run, citing some feigned offence in an effort to save face.\n\nYour position is nonsense. \n\nToodles.", "People will look for and find stuff to be offended by. \n\nCunts could find something offensive about a puppy.", "The simple fact that conservative hasn’t agreed with me with what said doesn’t tell me anything. You saying that does show me you’re a fucking idiot though. Thank you for enforcing that In cement. Damn you’re stupid.\n\nNow excuse me but I have better things to do than constantly explain to you that you’re an idiot. Bye! Hopefully you grow the fuck up.", "That was Dane Cook for me. I remember us crying laughing in the dorm. I went back and tried to listen to it again & I was like wtf is this shit?!", "Oh right that makes more sense, bc Eddie was definitely a lot more versatile than that", "I love George Carlin, but if you actually listen to Dave Chappelle's latest special, this criticism doesn't apply to him", "Al Franken was accused by 8 different women of behavior ranging from groping their butts to forcibly kissing them.\n\nLeanne Tweeden was exaggerating her story to push a political agenda. The other 7 women included a Democratic elected official and people at Democratic conventions who had no no such motivations. \n\nHe absolutely deserved to be pressured to resign and should consider himself lucky he wasn't facing civil or criminal charges.", "Wow, what an asshole.", "You mean like saying that Dave Chappelle, a person with the net worth of $50 mil, might lose his “livelihood” because he’s saying hateful things? Ok", "Haha according to Websters dictionary \"gender\" originally referred to language, not people... \n\nThe term has already changed plenty. That is the nature of language...", "If I am not seen as a man by those around me, it is due to my own shortcomings, and I certainly don't expect them to perceive me as anything other than exactly what I am in reality. \n\nI am not trying to say this about trans people, but the whole topic does seem to be broaching an cuturally interesting meta-issue relating to identity. What do we owe each other in terms of respecting the identities we hold in our minds, versus what we are able to naturally convince people we are 'in reality' (and, is making the distinction tantamount to hate? Is the sex identity more fundamental because of actual structural differences in the brain? )", "Do you just not know what \"in part\" means?\n\nHappy to explain if pedantry is required in your world: it's not necessarily the main reason/cause of something, but part of a larger whole.\n\nSo when I say he left IN PART, and he specifically brings it up when asked why he stopped, I would hope my invoking of this line of reasoning can make sense to you now.", "It doesn’t any anyone that does is probably and oxygen thief.", "What was the other special he talked about her in?", "I just pulled up “Dice Stand Up” on the youtubs. Shit was weird. For a while I thought I was watching the wrong thing. I thought I had stumbled onto a dude doing a really bad and cliche New York persona….\n\nLike I get the jokes but I don’t get the delivery.", "Who makes up the cancel culture community?", "Aren't you precious?", "I've always thought comedians as modern day philosophers. Carlin was and will always be my favorite. I do miss his perspective.", "dude. No. Absolutely not. Just you have no idea how hard core “counter speech with more speech, not rules” Carlin was. You really don’t want to have this conversation with a guy who has idolized Carlin for 40 years and is most assuredly more knowledgeable than you on his takes. If you want to hear a modern day Carlin voice, Penn Jillette is probably the closest you’re going to get. But even they had occasional disagreements while Carlin was alive. I strongly suggest you watch “Life is Worth Losing” if you want to begin to understand the man Carlin had become by his last few years. Carlin was a trouble\nmaker who got arrested for saying things people told him he couldn’t. He went to jail more than once for Dave’s right to speak without being censored. AND he stood up for people’s rights to disagree and argue back with speech. Not corporate cancelling. Carlin was hardcore against corporate pandering whether right or wrong cause he knew that it was never anything more than calculating what’s best for profits and had no moral value.", "What’s wrong with being anti cancel culture? Look at the clip Carlin doesn’t like the guy he’s talking about he’s implying the audience might not be on the joke in the same way… but at no point does he say the person has to go… \n\nTalking shit about Biden, yeah he’s the president that’s what comedians do and sleepy joe makes it to easy same with boris johnson in the UK if you make yourself that easy a target a comedian will take the shot \n\nAs for the woke left survey after survey shows they’re a minority and most people don’t agree with the ultra left opinions so what’s wrong with making fun of them? They’re definition extremists, they have ultra left opinions that lie on the extremes of political norms… again easy target comedians will take the shot\n\nLaugh at the jokes or don’t nobody is forcing you to watch a comedian you don’t like.", "Telling you the government killed him", "Why would he wanna do that lol", "Late to the party, but yeah, George Carlin could really express himself. I saw him live in the early 2000s. He went on for a couple hours just free styling it seemed. His flow was amazing.", "I think you're giving a dumbass comedian more credit than they deserve.", ">Being a TERF literally means that you believe that trans women should be excluded from the gains the feminist movement has made.\n\nHe exactly described one of the main reasons why a lot of radfem activists don't want to include mtf in their fight for rights. They don't just hold this belief for no reason.", "Jewish people are black confirmed!", "And who the hell cares if something is offensive or funny to a certain group. Go live your life.", "Actually Dave Chappelle is still hilarious. He's not funny to you though. And that's fine. Most people don't agree with you.", "I was a teenager during this time. He was only funny to the edge lord bigots. Most people considered him vulgar.", "I think a main point was that when it's a \"white persons problem\" actions are taken to solve it. LGBTQIA+ rights have been making major strides in the last 20 years (which is a good thing), but systemic racism and other \"black people problems\" are still a HUGE unsolved issue almost 200 years later. Why is that?", "You heard it hear first if you make a punching down joke you hate your life and think you're a failure. Also you're not a real man.", "Trans woman is just a type of woman, a subset of a larger whole. Maybe some, or even most trans women don't have a childhood where others perceived them as a girl, and sure, that is different from many if not most women. We don't define women by specific experiences they had. You wouldn't tell a woman who grew up with access to period products that she isn't a woman for not having the experience of scrubbing blood out of her underclothes. You wouldn't tell a black woman she's not a woman because most women by percentage are not black and therefore have different experiences. Being treated like a girl as a child isn't what makes someone a woman. It's just an experience the majority of women have had. There are cis women in this world (see: bacha posh) who grew up treated as boys, are they not women? \n\nThe only reason TERFs draw the exclusionary line they do is because of bigotry. They can be very good at making it sound rational and reasonable, and will swear up and down they don't dislike trans people, but every single one of their actions says otherwise.", "Still. Our language now uses it interchangeably with sex", "Dave straight up said on the special he didn't know exactly WHY she did it - so he was never claiming that she ONLY killed herself because of social media harassment.", "Not reading it? Calling me a troll? Don’t start a discussion you can’t participate in respectfully. I gave you the respect; I expect it back.", "That's the fucked up part. The people who are affected by this are ignored. Or posthumously used as a shield (he had a trans friend! Gave him the t-word pass!). Fuck me. Someone had done the same shit about black people, completely different story. Just one of those moments you realize where you are at for some people.", "Nicely said", "For me the appeal is the anger. I'm fucking pissed over the state of things. Injustices, war, poverty and all those things that really shouldn't still be around. I can't do shit about it, and nothing seems to happen. So to me screaming in impotent rage seems like a totally legit reaction to a mad world.\n\n90-2000ish was a time with lot of anger in the culture. From Hicks to movies like fight club. Grunge depression was giving way to rock anger, or something stupid like that. I'm not a great writer. But it was in the zeitgeist.", "I mean, during the special he defends JK Rowling because he agrees with her that in his estimation, a trans person doesn't truly change genders because the primary reproductive organs (testicles, ovaries), are non-transferrable.\n\nThe thing is, I don't think he disparages trans people because of that. I think him staying he was TERF was true, at least partially based on the above, but much more based on how the trans community have interacted with him personally after his previous specials. To him, I think it's personal. They killed his friend, who was one of their own, because of their outrage. \n\nIt's just difficult to agree with someone in his kind of position, who uses his pulpit to make chad-level jokes about trans people (a woman with a dick next to me at the urinal?! Ewwwww) that are 100% guaranteed to have a negative effect on public perception towards a minority class of people struggling to be accepted. I think he forgets how influential he is as a voice that openly addresses societal inequality; normalizing anti-trans humor means something when it comes from him.", "He doesn’t explicitly say he blames Twitter harassment, but there’s zero reason for him to bring it up except to plant that idea. That he offers a weak “I’m not sure!” qualifier doesn’t make it any less an implicit accusation. There’s literally a term for when bad-faith actors introduce a controversial argument and attempt to distance themselves from it by claiming it’s merely rhetorical - JAQing off. If Chapelle didn’t want his audience to believe it, he wouldn’t have brought it up in the first place.", "What does this have to do with dave chapelle being a terf transphobe?", "If people saw the amount of money he was pulling in at his height selling silver brain booster pills, they'd be screaming about demonic child eating cults too. The show has always been an infomercial for crap wrapped in the worst conspiracy ideas.", "“It wasn’t the jokes. I don’t know if it was them dragging her. I don’t know what was going on in her life, but I bet dragging her didn’t help. I was very angry at them. I was very angry at her.” \n\nThat’s a direct quote. Then he proceeds with the punchline of the jumping off the roof joke. \n\nI don’t believe that it was heavily implied at all.", "Part of it is cringing that you used to find it funny. \n\nBut the good thing is that when you cringe at memories, it means that you’ve grown.", "Netflix fired the person that organized the walkout? Fucking based they got my subscription for another month that special was fucking hilarious.", "Dice lost his magic/funny and thus faded away to obscurity\n\ni do recommend watching his film the adventures of ford fairlane though.", "You're literally insane if you think sex is a social construct. Right like all the other animals believe in the social construct of sex.... As far as gender identity goes be a whatever you want. Wear pink as a boy or blue as a girl who cares. I honestly do not care what people do behind closed doors as long as no one is getting hurt. But when people say that trans women are real women then is a real woman a trans woman? I guess it depends on what your definition of what a real woman is. And mine is one that was born at birth and can for the most part have babies, breast feed, ovulate, small hip to waist ratio, larger Mamery glands, etc etc... And sure there are people with stuff like Klinefelter's who don't fit in exactly right in the male/dichotomy but we try and get them a place. But this nonsense about sex being a social construct, trans women ae real women, and that there are more than two genders is just plain stupid. Male/Female that's it and people with more or less of some traits of those two. This isn't Isaac Asimov's \"The God's Themselves\" where there is some sort of third gender. If there was then we would see relationships by the handful then with more than just two people all the time. If it doesn't hurt anybody but themselves so I don't really care. Do what you want in life that makes you happy. Change from boy to girl and girl to boy. But you don't get to change science because your oppressed for being different. Social change I can get behind but to rewrite natural science to make yourself feel better about your own choices can fuck off.", "The Uber Wokies have turned into the new religious puritans it seems.", "Nailed it. Man was a genius.", "How would anyone laugh at that in any time period. A joke about killing gay people?", "Grow up.\n\nALL jokes are \"insensitive\" to someone or some group.\n\nPlease tell us how this group has been \"marginalized\". (Isn't a group that is less than 1/10th of 1% of the population the definition of a \"marginal\" group of people?)\n\nWhat Constitutional rights have they been denied?", "Listen to that dude Rufus, he knows what he's talking about.", "Using vague terms and pedantry to imply understanding is ignorance at his finest.\n\nIt’s the Fox News playbook...and no...it doesn’t count as a legitimate statement just because you’re technically correct and deliberately obtuse. To imply it was a contributing factor is disingenuous at best and implying a false narrative at worst. Whatever light you want to put on the technicality, you’re not wrong, you’re just an asshole.", "What does \"unable to be as funny as you expect\" mean in this context?", "Or... here's a crazy idea, we tell the hateful bigots who say shit like that to shut the fuck up, and don't stop telling them until they do. You think we should we just \"learn to live with it?\" Trans people have been living with it for centuries and the fact that you're only seeing it now is a result of those centuries and especially the last few decades of trans people fighting back against those bigots.", "> it takes next to no effort to refer to someone by the pronouns they want\n\nGood thing he does that, then.", "The people asking for others to be canceled and have their livelihoods taken away because they disagree with what they said? The people who want to censor anyone they disagree with? Why am I needing to explain this to you lol.", "The point is his personal experiences are so narrow and limited that they aren’t good anecdotes to extrapolate any generalizations on the larger community. He could use his first hand accounts if he had shown any effort in his past to really involve himself in the trans community, outside of a interaction here and there, and his trans “friend” who died. What has he done to actively become more aware of the plights the LGBTQ community faces? (Actual question, I haven’t done any research there)\n\nLike I don’t get how everyone doesn’t just auto cringe when he started using the “my trans friend liked me” as a wrap up to validate all of his rants. It’s straight from the “I have a black friend” book and the veil is so thin.", "Because as we all know, Dave Chappelle has never felt regret or remorse for how other people misinterpreted his comedy. It certainly never pushed him to leave the industry for a decade.", "No, I'm a cis male.", "\"You're technically correct\"\n\nAll I needed to hear my dude 👍", "So someone can think certain races are inferior, and that doesn't make them racist because that doesn't mean they dislike or \"prejudice anybody\". It means they don't agree with a social construct, which is what race is?", "He had a lot to say.. He had a lot of nothing to say.. We'll miss him.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/BfLCHTRIxtk?t=899", "No person, group or facet of our community is above scrutiny, questioning, or being parodied by their piers.\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nThe toxic reaction and attempt to use media and social media to 'punch down' and force cancel culture against Chapelle is hugely disrespectful to those who've been honourable, respectful and relentless in their work for acceptance, equality and peace \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nIt's disgusting, wrong and totally misses the essence of the message.", "I definitely see where you are coming from but I think you can take it a step further, I'll try to spell out where the difference lies with some key examples.\n\nI think the difference here is \"Someone pretending to be something that is obviously not the case\" can be funny, but I think you can boil this down further to \"being incompetent\" is inherently funny.\n\nBugs bunny dressing up as a girl is funny but only because its still so obviously bugs he's not REALLY trying. The same can be said for Elmer Fudd falling for it in that him being so incompetent is what is funny about the joke.\n\nThe classic 3 kids in a trenchcoat follows the exact same formula. \n\nRDJ in Tropic Thunder is another GREAT example. Him being in blackface is not specifically funny (its even pretty convincing), but his characters incompetent awareness of it is what makes it funny.\n\nAnime often has the trope of \"boys dressed as women so convincingly everyone loves them\" and what is funny about this is the boys do not want to be attractive girls, their failure to achieve the desired goal is funny.\n\nTL;DR \"being incompetent\" is inherently funny", "Yes fringe enough!\n\n\nHe literally says the main reason he left was to spend time with the family and that it wasn’t healthy for his family. I don’t know the man personally, so I guess there could be an issue of people yelling racist jokes at his kids that he had said, but you literally a cherry picked a later comment (from that interview!) that he made about an incident that also bothered him.\n\nIt’s like saying: I quit my job because my boss was verbally abusive and I never got a lunch break...and going: YOU QUIT BECAUSE OF YOUR LUNCH BREAK?!\n\nI’m not saying you’re lying...he definitely said what he said...but you’re certainly reaching to say that I’m wrong. Your statement deserved correcting, because it’s implying something that isn’t true.", "He was saying all that for himself. I can't pretend he's funny or interesting because he's an asshole and that's what men aspire to be maybe idk there's got to be some emotional thing behind it for you to compare post comeback Chapelle to George Carlin, because there's nothing there, he's just an asshole reflection of the group someone just trying to fit in. Maybe you see yourself and thats why you like it but stop accusing people of being pussies because they don't like asshole redneck guy. That's what it is.. \n\n I think you're pushing yourselves to like something that's not good because it's not good. Like snorting hot sauce. I don't want to snort hot sauce with you, I'm sorry. I think it's stupid. Am I a pussy? maybe, I no longer care what you think. No one has time for it.", ">we have certain very-concrete gender norms and stereotypes, and a lot of people, trans or not, would say that that’s exactly the problem\n\nThis is something I've wondered about before. If we were to completely erase all gender norms and stereotypes - everyone looks the same, everyone dresses the same, everyone even talks roughly the same (male voices pitch up some, female down some), everyone is split evenly among job types, and so on. Or more accurately, no clothes are gendered, no jobs are gendered, no hairstyles are gendered, and so on. What then would it mean to be trans? How would you express yourself as a preferred gender if there is no easily discernable difference between the genders? And particularly if chromosomes or body parts aren't gendered, then it seems like there wouldn't really be any way to identify as one gender or another. (I've seen many people argue that even having a penis, for instance, doesn't gender you a man - and to the extent a person is talking about gender, I agree as I consider gender to be a social construct. If you want to talk about biological sex, that would be a different matter obviously).\n\nIt's as if there's a tug of war between people wanting to identify strongly as one gender or another (not necessarily trans here - but conservative cis folks as well, perhaps most of all), and a second overlapping group that wants to eliminate social gender constructs (ie., clothes, hairstyles, all the things I listed above, etc.). What's the deal for people in the middle who want both things? The two sides seem at odds with each other.", "He was talking about Andrew Dice Clay. Also, I suspect people didn't get their panties in a bunch to the point of protesting and trying to cancel Dice Clay.\n\nFurthermore, these days, picking on transgender people is not punching down. They are at the top of the intersectionality leftist totem pole. They are the sacred cow that nobody can make fun of. The bulk of media, government, and institutions bend over backwards to give special preference.\n\nThe institutions are VERY leftist. But the left is so in the habit of playing victim. So much so that the worst offenses they can find are COMEDIANS telling JOKES. Must be really oppressed when that's the leading offense of the day.\n\nWhat a bunch of whining babies. If you don't like the humor, do like the rest of us and change the channel, find something else to watch.", "> Don’t start a discussion you can’t participate in respectfully\n\nAfter you blatantly and disingenuously misrepresenting what I said? That's on you, not me.", "DAPHNE.... was FRIENDS with the person that did that. DAPHNE'S FAMILY..... is defending Chappelle. \n\nWhat you or I think is wholly irrelevant. This entire thing is beyond stupid and absurd.", "Calling people faggots .... Punching up apparently.", "I've been told that stealing a comedian's entire shtick is the sincerest form of flattery.\n\nI was told that by Dennis Leary.", "What sort of fantasy land do you have to live in to believe this? You're posting in a thread about a Carlin video with thousands of upvotes on the front page of reddit, talking about how no one would today want this guy to exist.", "Because they have a bias to support anything that defends the person they love.", "He didn't hate anybody. He pointed out hypocrisy - something that groups who claim to have some sort of moral or political authority have in copious quantities.", "A lot of people today would say the same thing", "The world of road head is a lesser place without guys who go down on truckers and hairy bush nuns.", "Do you know why you don't hear from old trans people on this? Because they're in the same fucking place your gay friend's friends are.", "All of this nonsense in here has made me go watch the special for a 3rd time.", "Yep, and my dad was 23", "Yes. Because that's what TERFs do. By saying \"I'm team TERF\", I believe he's expressing support for that.\n\nAnd this is where you say, IT WAS JUST A JOKE. And this is where I say, WORDS FUCKING MATTER. And you don't care enough to educate yourself further, and I don't care enough to keep fighting with you.", "If it's because they're trans? Yeah obviously... that's prejudice against trans people. If them being cis would have prevented that rudeness, then it happened only due to prejudice.", "Why are British people like this?", "This comment proves you didn't watch the special. Chappelle literally discussed an example of a black feminist who was asked not to being racial issues into their feminist movement. \n \n> The only way you can say that the trans and feminist movements are completely separate is if you don't think there's any overlap at all,... \n \nThis premise is based on a logical fallacy. For example, the question \"Do women deserve equal pay\" is substantially different than \"can trans women use the women's bathroom\". \n \nFurther, my trans friends agree with TERFs, and they actually want it that way. They think it will more easily set laws in their favor. For example, the average Jon and Joe will give biological women equality before they give it to trans women (because average people suck). But, if women win equality, then trans women win acceptance as women, they default into all those same right without having to win them all over. In that sense, my trans friends are literally TERFs.", "I'm a leftie and I make fun of woke people and cancel culture all the time. Plenty to joke about there. I was just trying to imagine what they'd talk about if Hicks was on the show and that was where my mind went first. Didn't mean to imply it was positive or negative.", "> George Carlin: \"NBC should not tell me I can't call women cunts on TV.\"\n\n[facepalm]\n\nFirst, that is the fucking definition of \"punching up\". He is not attacking women, he is attacking NBC.\n\nSecond, saying \"NBC shouldn't tell me...\" is not the same as \"calling women cunts\". One is talking about a right, the other is actually being offensive. But having the right is different from exercising For example, I fully support your right to call women cunts, and I would think you are an asshole if you exercise that right. That is the difference. Self-censorship is a good thing. Carlin's humor always had a point. It wasn't offensive for the sake of being offensive. When it was offensive, it was to make a point. That wasn't the case for ADC. He was just offensive to get laughs at the expense of minorities. \n\nThere is no hypocrisy here.\n\n> If Carlin thinks people should self censor, based on his world views, then what is the point of his bit? He doesn't think anyone should use the words he deems wrong.\n\nYou just could not be misunderstanding his point more. Carlin was never against self-censorship. It's truly weird how far off base you are here.", "What states have laws against rednecks? What religious groups don't think rednecks should be allowed around them? What great debate is there over whether rednecks should be able to use the same bathroom as a city person? \n\n&#x200B;\n\nI'll wait.", "...and deliberately obtuse", "So you don’t like forming your own opinion? That’s cool…… he said it’s jokes and he’s jealous of how much equality you’ve gotten so quickly. FYI", "See, it's ridiculous dismissive shit like this that makes it not worthwhile for anyone to engage with you in good faith.", "transphobic/not transphobic, either way. Chappelle fell off HARD.", "See, the point was that most of the people who are involved in cancel culture do exactly what you just did. Leaping to conclusions about what people mean, or said, or did, and reacting to it. \n\nAnd then you start insulting me, because you cannot refrain from making assumptions about what other people mean, and can't understand what they mean, but refuse to ask for clarification. So now you're certain of your assumptions, despite them being wrong. \n\nYou are exactly part of the problem. You've convinced yourself that you are objectively correct, and anyone who is against you needs to be ignored, shunned, dismissed, or otherwise \"cancelled\". You're trying to make an argument here, that because what you're doing isn't as \"serious\" as what cancel culture does, it's fine, but you're supporting the same line of logic, all while trying to defend the idea that what \"the other\" side is doing is wrong. It's the same shit, and you have just as much power as any other Twitter personality does.\n\nBut please, go on \"ignoring\" me, and them making assumptions about my intelligence. Please.", "Right. It's like motherfuckers forgot about August Ames. Some of us still remember.", "dmkicksballs13: Social justice warrior......online only and isn't well read so does not understand nuance and context.", "See, I totally disagree. Comedy about racism still works very well today, because the butt of the joke is the racist. Watch the bit again. Pryor has all the power in that bit, Chase is the butt of the joke. The bit is all about how fucked up Chase's actions are and him trying to make a power play and getting called out on it, and how small the racist is when they get called out. It's a phenomenal bit, and incredibly progressive even today, and far more so when it aired.\n\nEdit: I'll maintain that the part of the bit that is most offensive today is that he was called a \"janitor\" and not a \"custodian\".", "Keep huffing that copium lmao", "The best comedians are ~~comedic~~ geniuses.\n\nFTFY", "They don't. You pretending they do is a false premise. It is a lie.", "ok debate it then", "I quoted you mate. It was a horrendous comparison. Thats on you.", "He’s essentially using a dead trans woman who cannot defend herself or her situation to excuse his transphobia. It’s disgusting.", "Came here to say this. Nowhere near the same sentiment.", "There's... very few?", "Why does it fucking matter? Rich famous guy continues to be rich and famous, the world keeps spinning. Y'all are so triggered over people criticizing him that now we gotta have thinkpieces and it's gotta trend for weeks? Make it make sense.", "> Someone born with a dick but who identifies as a woman is a woman. There has been loads of biology and psychology that has confirmed this.\n\nThis is a question of culture and politics, not science per-se. If the zeitgeist had gone a different direction psychologists and sociologists easily could have prescribed some other state of affairs.\n\nI'm fully in support of trans rights and recognizing their identities, but I don't think people should make it sound like an unambiguous and simple question of objective fact rather than a super complex and constantly changing cultural dialogue.", "I don’t need to make assumptions anymore you already took any form of doubt away. And I will continue to ignore, thanks.", "Lmao, not the underdog, they are a protected class. Big difference.", "Trans people deserve to be the butt just like white people, black people, gay people, etc.", "Leary was definitely more likable somehow. I was shocked when I heard he stole that \"I'm an asshole\" bit from Louis CK, though.", ">If someone was mistakenly identified as the wrong gender\n\nMistakenly identifies as the wrong sex* since its sex being assigned at birth that could be wrong.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>a trans woman must transition into a Female.. than there has never been a trans woman ever.\n\nNah.\n\nAll cis women that don't produce eggs and such are still women. Women don't lose their gender if they go through menopause.\n\nThe existing definitions just suck.\n\n&nbsp;\n \n>As of what year did that change occur? \n\nIt's never really been correct since women has always been a subsection of the whole group that people would be wanting to talk about.\n\nGirls aren't women. They're children.\n\nNo idea when the change your refering to occurred though.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>if you must insist that no change ever occurred.\n\nHuh? I never insisted that.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>didnt all get it wrong..\n\nYeah, they didn't get it wrong, but if they said the same thing today it would be wrong.\n\nIf someone said \"hot doesn't mean good looking\" they would have been right if you go far back enough. They wouldn't be now.", "Do you accept that there are some Men who are more feminine/masculine than other men and vice versa for Women? \n\nI just don't see why a Man who is more on the feminine side of the gender scale wanting to present themselves as female is such an obstacle for acceptance.", "JKR did the same thing. Said how much she loved the trans then went off about how worried she was about all these autistic little girls cutting off their tits. She's so concerned you guys.", "No. Not medically it doesn't. They are not the exact same word and they do not have the exact same meanings. \n\nAnd the English language always changes when there is a need for it. (Or something becomes common use) Always. \n\nThis is true of nearly every language. One might even call it one of \"the rules of language\"...", "I don't the think the comparison is correct. \n\nCurrently just under 6% of the US identifies as some class of lgbq. \n\nOf adults 3.1% bisexual. 1.4% gay, 0.7% lesbian, 0.6% Trans, and 0.2% as other.\n\nGiven the small population of the lgbq identifying population,the fact that this contraversy/conversation is still going on speaks to the power the community has.", "The best geniuses are hyperintelligent comedians", "In that case they would have had different interpretations of those words. It's just disingenuous to try and equate Rogan and Hicks.", ">TERFs, as a movement,\n\nWhat planet do you live on? Because on this one there's like 10 women that self-identify as a TERF.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>They also have close ties to far-right groups - they find common ground on hating trans people\n\nOh ffs... Now JK Rowling is a nazi? 🤦‍♂️\n\nYou ever consider that possibility that for the vast majority of us, hate has absolutely nothing to do with our inability to say that a man can be a woman? No hate here. Just common sense. You're trying to join a club that you can only be born into. \n\nCall it unfair if it makes you feel better, but that's life.", "> bro, how the fuck would they know unless she told them\n\nBro, how the fuck would Dave Chappelle know? Sure she absolutely could have confided in him. But operating on the notion that her confiding in her best friend/roommate or her immediate family is just unrealistic compared to her comedian friend is nonsensical.", "He lied about what lead to the death of a woman he called his friend, but whose memory he used for self aggrandizement.", "Exactly. No reason to speculate is it?", "I lasted about a minute. The only funny part was blow drying a hairy ass. The rest was bad.", "I've never heard that term and that makes me laugh because in the same special Dave said trans people like the invent words to win arguments. Lol\n\nYou're right. Maybe he is using a bad-faith tactic.", "Carlin was a high school dropout so probably not", "Your misunderstanding doesn't make me a bigot. I've been fighting for LGB *and* T rights longer than most Redditors have been alive. ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)_/¯", "The thing most people missed was that dice was a character (like Larry the cable guy) that took over the act. Silverstein and Whitney were parodying people to make fun of them and never expected people to identify with the characters.", "> maybe her execution was better than Chappelle's?????\n\nHold on, let me check.\n\nNope.", "Are we living on the same planet? \n\nThe first amendment does not prohibit private individuals, private companies, and employers from restricting speech. \n\nYou want to work for Netflix? You play by their rules. I’d be fired at my job for making those jokes- would the company I work at be in the wrong for that?\n\nEdit: I agree this is a profit decision, doesn’t change the fact that they have the legal right to do it.", "Pretty sure only half his special, if that, was about the trans community. Your not that special sweetheart. But how would you know you obviously didn't watch it.", "Not at all a surprise that the people defending Dave's special are the same ones that make statements like \"what constitutional right have trans people been denied?\" Laughable.", "He would have been a genius in just about any other career, but not successful.\n\nCould you imagine managing George Carlin? Or him running a company? Disasters! There is a reason he is a comedian.", "Thanks for the great write up.", "Language does change. This is not a need for it", "The top commentor mentions how the world is not black and white or binary and yet people like you and other make it binary.\n\nAre the Twitter attacks the reason they killed themselves? No. Could it have contributed to the depression? Absolutely. Even one conversation of being attacked online can put someone in a foul mood. If you’re already depressed and ten cunts online yell slurs at you and shit talk you, then your self esteem drops further.\n\nTo say it didn’t contribute at all in the slightest is flat out ignorant and ignores basic human emotions and what online bullying can do. Stop perpetuating ignorance.", "Hicks said he quit smoking just to see of Leary would copy him", "I have a difficult time talking to people sometimes (my mental illness doesn't help), but when I am talking about a topic that really excites me or I don't know about but want to learn I get super engaged. \n\nUnfortunately I also apparently tend to sound like a professor explaining every single detail, the history of it etc. if they don't have any knowledge of the field.\n\nThankfully no-one has ever said I 'mansplain' things, but I give a super thorough explanation and some people have said it feels like they're in a lecture hall...", "It's more successful because they run social media, Hollywood, and most of the entertainment industry. So if someone says something they deem \"offensive\" to them, they can make their own rules.", "Will they though? What was the equivalent joke Chapelle made that could be compared to the \"Here in Brooklyn we kill gays on sight!\" \"\"\"joke\"\"\"\"", "You've beaten me over the head with facts. Was a very good essay. Wish there was a thread unroll bot for this like there is for Twitter. Covered a lot", "It’s comedy. If you think it’s funny watch it. If you don’t then don’t watch it. I swear people can’t fucking breathe anymore unless they have something to be offended by.", ">Hey dipshit... why aren't you just calling them women instead of trans women?\n\nIs this an attempt at a gotcha when you don't want to look stupid and so don't reply to anything I actually say?\n\nThey're women.\n\nNow you.\n\nIf I say \"Do you think sporty women are women?\" Would you complain about me not referring to them with the singular word women?", "Do you have any evidence for all the unbelievable claims you just made?", "Thank you. Not all people are angry and good on them. Some of us are angry about all the injustices going on and that's fine as well. Carlin speaks to the calmer minds and Hicks to the angry ones. Dosent matter, the message is the same.", "Comparing what Chapelle has been saying to Andrew Dice Clay's act (that Carlin is referencing) is such a poor and lazy equivalency.", "Imagine having no fucking clue what a TERF is and still feeling a compulsion to speak on the subject. I promise you it’s okay to just be quiet sometimes - not every thought you have is so illuminating you need to waste other people’s time with it, especially with that condescending bullshit at the end implying anyone who takes issue with Chapelle explicitly siding with TERFs just didn’t watch the special.\n\nIt’s a genuine shame you’ll never be embarrassed enough of this comment because you really, really should be.", "Is he taking about Andrew Dice Clay?", "Isn't being anti dogma another way of saying contrarian", "That’s fair. I just hope you understand he’s not actually a bigot lol", "The ignorance of this comment is insane. It’s not like several states have recently just passed laws against trans people. It’s not like the previous president outright banned them from serving in the military(the largest job program in the country). It’s not like trans people are thrown out of their homes constantly", "To be fair, that community does have incredible power..on Twitter and social media. \n\nJust look at all the outrage and protests over his special. Perhaps we shouldn't given his special so much credence and outrage when there are far more important issues that need to be addressed?", "Why should he have any remorse? What has he said that he should be remorseful about?", "I don't remember the details of why he left.", "First halfed me.", "It can be very subjective at times. Others times, yes it is clearly against trans for being trans and therefore transphobic.", "All that anger and contempt, but you didn't even read the article. As it highlights, there are XY people with ovaries, who give birth, etc. There are XX people with sperm. I don't believe it even goes into intersex. So you see that sex isn't \"there are male and female\" but rather \"these rules apply to a large percentage of the population, however there are many exceptions\" - which shows that the \"rules\" of gender are demonstrably flawed. It's like \"what is pizza\" - you'll actually find the rules are fluid and arbitrary. As mentioned, there are many instances of people that don't fit into the constructed categories of male/female and those people do matter - they highlight that these categories are illogical - what about intersex individuals, those with XY chromosomes who can give birth, etc? If these people matter, why do they not fit into the supposedly objectively true gender binary? \n\nIt's straightforward logic to understand that if you say \"sex is a binary\" and you can demonstrate, as we have, that this isn't true, that there are many people that fall outside of the binary - that the concept is no longer valid\".\n\n> But when people say that trans women are real women then is a real woman a trans woman?\n\nThat's, uh, not how logic works. A rectangle is a square, a square is not a rectangle - squares are a subcategory of rectangles, just as trans women are a subcategory of women. \"Real women\" consist of trans women and cis women. No one is saying that because trans women are women, women are trans women. Instead of saying \"you're insane\" and \"you can fuck off\", maybe spend some of that energy exploring the holes in your arguments?", "He colonised my Nan!", "I'm actually not sure if the situation is the same. I.e. I'm not so sure Chapelle is targeting underdogs. Remember who's getting who cancelled. Although some of these groups are small in numbers they wield a lot of power by canceling people left to right and not in a political sense 🤣\n\nBeside that I think Carlin is spot on as usual.\nLook at his sketches about people trying to tell him what he can say and you can probably guess his reaction to recent events.", "I always thought it was obvious that he was doing a parody, but, as he got more successful, he seemed to only do the shocking, offensive stuff like he forgot about letting the audience in on the joke.", "I did not kno Chappell was jewish", "I'm confused as to why this is a problem. Isn't a TERF just a feminist who accepts biological realism? They don't think a man can become a women by wishing it so. It's perfectly logically consistent.", "George was just the best. Best comedian (at least American comedian) of the 20th century, and we’ve yet to see anyone approach him since.", "He doesn't engage in social arguments you say? This guy is 100% an all-around genius!", "Yes, getting paid 24 million dollars to make a shit comedy special sounds like being canceled to me", "This entire comment chain is a swing and a miss. You have the first guy crying that the thread is going to be locked (it isn’t) and saying absolutely nothing of value. That’s expected. Just a guy coming in here to complain about censorship when nothing is being censored. Easy to see why he’s a Chappelle fan. \n\nThen you have the guy crying about being oppressed in Chappelle threads and those threads being locked for “wrongthink.” Okay. Hasn’t happened, but as a Chappelle fan you’ve once again got that victim complex down really good. \n\nThen you have the guy crying that “progressives” silence all dissension, while again forming absolutely zero argument about what Carlin is saying which is the entire damn point of this post. Why make an argument when you can cry?\n\nThen finally this guy I’m directly replying to, who actually bothered to answer Carlin’s point to some degree but still said the dumbest shit imaginable. \n\nIt’s an impressive thread.", "i never said they didn’t have the right for their own corporate restrictions. I said you were wrong about what Carlin would likely think. \nCarlin hated the idea of corporate rights. Let’s start there.\n\nEdit: I also never said he would side with Dave. I said he would support his wish to be uncensored. Big difference.\n\nEdit 2: You are guilty of not listening to the nuance in my words. How am I supposed to believe you heard Dave’s message in his special or understand Carlin?", ">I'm saying that social pressure being used to enforce the morality of one group onto another group has historically been a negative force for marginalized groups. \n\nSo you're saying we shouldn't have fought against the nazis during the wars because that's like oppressing marganilized groups when we enforced our morality onto them?\n\n&nbsp;\n\n>It's just ironic that the younger generation of LBGQT is so eager to put on the boots that were stepping on us 20 years ago with zero introspection and claim it has anything to do with the rest of us.\n\nNah. Pretty sure 20 years ago gays would also not think being a nazi is okay like you do.", "Piss jugs...", "He didn't recommend taking drugs. He was critical of the war on drugs and spoke positively about his own experiences on drugs. Speaking positively of something isn't always an advertisement or recommendation that thing. What he did recommend was trying to fly from the ground first if you're on acid. \n\nHis JFK bit is an attack on religion. That joke comes on the back of another joke about Christians wearing the method of execution of Jesus on their bodies. He compares it to people wearing a sniper rifle in memory of JFK.", "I would argue that professional consequences for spreading hateful ideas is fundamentally different from the GOVERNMENT PUTTING PEOPLE IN JAIL for saying vulgar things.\n\nCall me when a right wing grifter gets put in jail for a dick joke.", "George Carlin was ahead of his time and one of the holy trinity of comedians.", "I think you've hit the nail on the head there. If you want people to identify you as something, you have to appear to be that thing and not simply declare it. Maybe this will change - people are certainly trying to change it - but nobody should be surprised if the change is long and painful.", "So your debate is that you found one bit in a 50 year career thats troublesome?", "Comparing Andrew Dice Clay and Chappelle is something I never thought I’d see. Even on Reddit.", "I'm not arguing over \"how accurately we can diagnose transphobia from social contexts\".\n\nI'm stating given an objectively true reasoning, what criteria is necessary for something to be transphobic. Discerning that reasoning is irrelevant.", "Same here. Every once in awhile I used to listen to a clip or two if he had someone cool on, but that doesn’t even happen anymore. He’s gone full on ridiculous and let wackos tell him misinformation while he sits there taking it as truth.\n\nI don’t know why I was downvoted so much for my last comment lol I wasn’t trying to endorse him or anything. I pretty much agree with what other people are saying here, just that he endorsed Bernie in that last election so it may be a little off to call him a right wing media host.", "Explaining WHY you're a TERF (an inherently transphobic and hateful ideology), doesn't make being a TERF any less repugnant.", "Well, please, if you have such a firm grasp on my intelligence, please, enlighten me! Make some kind of argument, make a point, have at it. Respond to literally anything I've said with something more than, \"You're dumb\" and \"I'm going to ignore you, Cancel Culture snowflake\". You've been doing a pretty poor job of the \"ignoring\" part, but either missed it, or are too proud to admit you lost the plot on that one, so let's see your intelligence.", "[scrubs said it best](https://youtu.be/ExT1A6FiBFg)", "No, not at all. I love the bit the same as Chapelle.\n\nThe point is that people who are saying what Carlin is saying is an indictment of Chapelle are absolute morons. Intent and context matters.\n\nSaying Chapelle is anti trans is like saying Carlin is anti gay, or anti semite, or racist. It’s a word game for outrage.", "Why don't they just go get a different better job? I'm told by the right that it's super easy.", "You don't see ducks lining up to take an elevator to fly south for the winter, fucking assholes.", "Bill burr.", "It was definitely both of those things lol", "There's \"isn't as good\" and \"unfunny\".\n\nBill Burrs it's funny without it, take his skit about Arnie it's hilarious because of the observation, not the cursing. ADC, not so much", ">we just want\n\n>did I say\n\nSo you switch between the collective and the individual when it serves your intellectually dishonest narrative do you? \n\n>You’re free to misgender people and thus labeling yourself as an asshole but being an asshole comes with social consequences.\n\nThen we are in fact not free. \n\n>I don’t go around insulting everyone I see and then not expect them to be bothered by it, and if I did I would be a really dumb piece of shit, wouldn’t I?\n\nI don't either but that's beside the fucking point. Forcing people by legislation is evil. You people want laws and rules to force your moral utopia the exact same as Christian or Islamic moral zealots. Why is your cause most worthy? \n\n>All it takes is changing a few words to make people feel good about themselves, it’s just common courtesy like saying hello and goodbye. \n\nA fucking pain in the ass itself. \n\n>Also really? A hitler comparison?\n\nOh but your side does it all the fucking time. But when I do it and its completely apt it's bad. Hypocrites.\n\n>As for me I have tangible evidence I’m persecuted in the form of the wide variety of legislation being put forth by people to limit my rights.\n\nSuch as?\n\n>Also to call it evil to not be a dick to people \n\nBut that's not it. Its evil to limit peoples free speech. If they choose to be a dick that's their fucking human right. You being butthurt and expecting others to conform to make you feel better about yourself by legal decree is truly evil.\n\n>is proof of what a sad little troll you are. Im misgendered and called awful shit by people regularly and I am a hell of a lot nicer too them than I should be, because the second one of you dickheads pokes at someone and get poked back you do this and claim incivility despite being the one to start it.\n\nI didn't start shit. You call me a troll as if I don't believe in what I'm saying. If that crutch makes you feel better than by all means go nuts. And If you're misgendered so what? Why is that so fucking important. Why must others accommodate your every delusional idea? Sticks and stones. Get over it. How the fuck are you people so fragile. As if humans being awful to each other isn't the default. You can be awful to others by destroying free speech for your feelings but you can't afford others the same courtesy. That's why I despise your political machinations. It can't and wont end well.", "You're the only one yelling.", "Another thing that seems to be missing in all of this - it seemed apparent to me that Dave was visibly angry and sad at the same time when talking about her. The kind of emotion that I would expect from someone that lost a person they cared about, and I would argue should be a weighty measure on the scale of evaluating this whole event. But it goes further than that. \n\nWhen Dave made the joke about her jumping, right as he finishes for the briefest moment you can see the pain on his face. Maybe if you aren't an empathetic person it doesn't seem obvious, but that is not a joyous smile on his face. That's a \"I'm holding this shit in as hard as I can because I can't afford to lose it here\" smile. Because to NOT tell that joke, THAT would be the hypocrisy and betrayal on his part. If he can joke about everything else that he's joked about but hold back then, in that moment when it is closest to him and cuts deep - it's a betrayal of everything he's every said or claimed about the nature of his work.", "He just wanted to use a person's suicide to paint the trans community as evil and him as misunderstood and actually a caring person.", "If an underdog community has successfully shut down a lot of people, at what point do they get promoted to having the power?", "Why are people spending so much energy on “canceling” comedians, Adele with cornrows, ect. This shit doesn’t matter spend time canceling the rapists in our government and actual bad people in positions of power. I just watched the closer and i don’t get all the hubbub", "So comedians criticizing the powers that be is a-okay…what happens when the tides turn?", "I am a fat Asian British Muslim with a poor grasp of everything. All you bitches better start being nice to me or I will be calling the cyber police.\n\nI demand first place in the oppression olympics.", "If you read the top comment that’s just not true. Top comment explains it very well", "If this is your only comment, there was no point.", "The person I was responding to literally said that Chappelle did it for shock value...", "Bruh. Thank you for the Bill Hicks drop! Dude is a fuckin legend and doesn't get enough mentions/respect these days.", "Pretty sure he turned into Alex Jones after some really crazy PCP that never wore off.", "Ah yes, islam is such a leftist ideology", "Can't help but think: such different times. They are sitting so close to each other. Hopefully neither has covid", "Punch up. Don't punch down.", "My god this is trash", "And you were in the room with the meat heads trying to defend him in the 80's?", "That's fair! I kinda figured I was missing the context. I definitely feel a lot of that anger too, I actually get out a lot of my impotent rage through comedy podcasts about how fucked everything is now that I think of it lol. So that helps me put the appeal into context", "Please do not ever compare George Carlin to the corny libertarian that is Penn Jillette. You have zero concept of free speech outside of cancel culture discourse and it shows. You are literally crying because there are speech consequences to the things you say. Say whatever the fuck you want, but don't cry cancel culture when you're called out on how stupid and unfunny you are.", "Except that they aren't underdogs because not supporting the groups being criticized leads to serious career threatening consequences and making jokes about them leads to exactly what we're seeing happen to chappelle.\n\nThese groups have the power and they're attempting to use it silence others the same way that they claim is or was done to them. They aren't different, they're the same asshole only now they're wearing a dress and telling you whether you're allowed to not be sexually attracted to them.", "It’s because these are all people younger than 20 who never actually watched Carlin. In fact, Carlin is every bit as “hypocritical” as Dave. Their styles are extremely similar, that’s why they’re both so beloved.\n\nHe’s (Carlin) also made fun of the mentally handicapped and Jews...but it’s intent and context that matters! That’s what’s missing from all of these stupid ass debates.", "More leftie Reddit PC bullshit.\n\nDave is the goat and as funny as fuck. If you dont like it dont watch his special.", "Last year I watched an old set he did of just crowd work. He had amazing presence and an insanely quick wit, but yeah so much of it was just mean. Like, raunchy and foul can be funny, but a lot of his bit was just cruel.", "Did it punch down?", "It's like the worst kind of juvenile, the disgusting unrefined part... Not the jovial fun part", "That’s because decent people know what they’re talking about and right wingers are delusional lunatic traitors.", "Considering the number of state legislatures actively fighting to criminalize transgender anything, your argument is specious.", "Dumbass? This whole narrative about Chappelle not knowing how to craft a stand-up routine to get a response is hilarious. Please go try to heckle him and see what happens.", "The people pretending that Chappelle said or implied that cyber bullying was the cause of her suicide are pushing your same false narrative. \n \n> You're avoiding... \n \nNo. You're pretending that your same misinterpretations of his words implies a wider effect. That is false. Your misunderstanding does not mean others made that same error, especially when the only ones making that error are making your same illogical arguments.", "So, you're offended?", "you'd be correct, nothing against him", "Yeah Carlin would call out Netflix for their motivations behind the move. \n\nLike I said, I think Carlin’s thoughts would echo this video.\n\nI also don’t think Carlin was stupid. I honestly think he would say “play stupid games, win stupid prizes.” \n\nDave was an employee of Netflix, what did he think would happen after he made those jokes? A companies product is a reflection of that company- Dave is either dumb as fuck for this one OR he literally just doesn’t care about the repercussions as much as all of you.", "At least he stays silent, i feel thats a sign of intelligence in itself", "That's literally the biggest scam they pull. \"We need this money to defend the country.\"\n\nNo, you most certainly don't. You have the most advanced and powerful nuclear arsenal. There are zero conventional threats to America. \n\nThey could slash it in half and still be able to bully and invade small countries, start decades long insurgencies, install corrupt puppet governments and continue their penis comparison with China.", "How dare you go against the social media hive mind by pointing out this cherry picking and ill informed virtue signalling! /s", "He walked away because he was disgusted with how white frat boys were latching onto Chapelle's Show as an excuse to embrace racial stereotypes and miss the larger nuance of his comedy. They heard his words, and used them to fuel their pre-existing hatred.\n\nBut now that both Chapelle and those frat boys have grown up & gotten rich, and the jokes are pointed as a minority group he doesn't belong to - suddenly it's all cool.", "To be transphobic, you have to hate trans people. Chappelle has never said trans people are bad. All of his “transphobic” jokes are about a fundamental question: is there a difference between a cis woman and a trans woman? Dave’s personal opinion is “yes,” and as much as the trans community finds that transphobic, it’s actually just an opinion. And you can agree or disagree based on what your definition of a woman is.", "They are punching up. If Dave Chappelle made a joke about white people there would be zero consequences. \n\nIf punching up has zero consequences then you aren't punching up.", "If you don’t think, sure. But to thinking people, it’s obvious that Dave is being a moron and should shut the fuck up.", "You're probably a liar and safe to ignore.", "Are we supposed to be under the impression that the LGBTQ+ community is an underdog nowadays? They don't wield an enormous amount of influence and power? \n\nFrom where I'm standing the LGBTQ+ community looks like a strong and galvanized group. A lot can change in 40 years... nowadays they are hardly the meek underdog that Carlin was referring to back then.", "It makes Chappelle even worse", "Quebec, eh?", "That didn't answer my question. What EXACTLY would becoming more aware of the LGBTQ community look like?\n\nBecause in person and social media is really the only way to interact with people.", "I thought it was hilarious.", "People are throwing around the label “contrarian” for Carlin as if that’s all it was he was trying to do, disagree as much as possible. Personally, I think that’s fucking stupid and also wrong. Carlin was really more of a philosopher with a sharp and hilarious wit and a relentless conviction for what he thought was right and wrong, and calling him a contrarian in my view minimizes all of that.", "way to strawman my guy. Social issues being talks about moral issues/political issues. If I talk about Nixon outright saying that he's for healthcare if it means people have to pay for the service, he just clearly mentally checks out of the conversation, but I can tell you he's quite successful elsewhere.", "> They are at the top of the intersectionality leftist totem pole\n\nWhen it is illegal for you to participate in high school sports in several states, you're not at the top of anything except a target list.", "Delivery is extremely important but a huge part of delivery is finding the exact words, the tone and ultimately the core truth that makes something funny so you know how to emphasize or play with that truth. It requires a lot of insight and thought to extract an often buried truth that the rest of us ignore, often daily, and bring it carefully and expertly to the surface. \n\nGreat comedians do in this in ways that makes us laugh, think and often shock us all at the same time. But even great comedians can sometimes mess up this process or gravitate to a false truth or even get sucked in to a lazy or false way of thinking. So it is important for their to be conversation and critical thinking and criticism around these subjects and not just hero worship.", "correct", "Lewis Black has the same schitck but from a man one thread away from loosing it at all the bullshit. But he wasn't one to punch down.", "Is this a joke? Christianity is the most predominant religion in the world with over 2 billion people who identify as Christian. It is one of the most powerful organizations in the world and holds incredible sway in many countries. It literally controls the government in some countries. \n\nYour little friend anecdote doesn't really mean much. Around 65% of adults in the USA identify as Christians and in some other countries that number is higher.\n\nLike 30% of the world is Christian and you think attacking Christianity is punching down, lol?", "George Carlin is leftie Reddit PC bullshit? Gtfo", "The football at the joke was weirdly non-offensively funny. Maybe not too original though", "Reddit is so conflicted about Chapelle because they put him up on a pedestal similar to Carlin", "“I’m not mad, so they aren’t either”", "Carlin is 100% correct in his analysis of Andrew \"Dice\" Clay.\n\nThe analogy that the OP is making about Dave Chappelle, however, is very flawed.", "I found Andy entertaining. Not funny and I think there is a big difference there.", "Is it trans peoples fault that black people continue to be oppressed in America?", "They're allowed to participate in sports, just not to the disadvantage of women. You're deliberately lying because your entire position and belief system is a lie. You literally have to lie to yourself and others in order to prop up the beliefs a television set fed you and you weren't smart enough to think past.", "Peter North?", "God fucking forbid you just treat another person with kindness and extend to them the same respect you’d want to receive. It cost you nothing at all to treat them as they’d like to be treated. They are humans and it’s hard enough to be human. Why not make it easier for your fellow human by just using a word they prefer. It’s so simple, so easy and mean the literal world to someone.", "So you're just gonna defend a transphone with empty words. Got it.", "The criticism is not new either, not on Reddit or in general. He isn't \"suddenly\" the bad guy, you're probably just now hearing about it for the first time because the criticism's been growing over time as he's doubled down and gotten more egregious, to the point where it's reached a fevered pitch.", "Not in attack or defense of Dice, but I would say going to a formally recognized “comedy show” constitutes as an indicator that the performer isn’t serious. Or at the very least, not completely", "Yeah because I don't want to give the special another view, I'm not sure if you're aware of how it works but it's an element of protesting. You don't give views to something that you're actively protesting against, you know boycotting. \n\nAnyway, I really don't understand the trouble of just accepting his literal word of \"I'm team terf\"\n\nHe said it. I refuse to accept y'all trying to mask it in a coat of irony so either accept the reality of his words or continue in your altered perception of reality where words and the meanings of those words mean what they actually mean. He's spent so many specials now trying to explain himself and quite frankly I'll be happy on the day that he is totally forgotten about because he stopped being funny 20 years ago.", "wow", ">\tgo back and watch it to see how it held up. None of us made it more than five minutes.\n\nSounds like early Chapelle’s Show, tbh.", "It's so weird to be that way, and so strongly have it as a core part of identity. \n\nI mean they're both pretty shit, but it's like \"screw alternatives, give me the same negative assholes saying the same shit for the next four years, that's freedom!\" \n\nThere should be more to governance than two parties fighting to a standstill all the time. Time for something new.", "Thank you. People are holding comedians to a standard they never agreed to and no intentions or obligations to do so.", ">using a different name and a different set of pronouns - thats all there is to accepting trans people.\n\nYou're forgetting about inclusive bathrooms and sporting competitions", "It's almost like some of the outraged didn't even watch the special to understand the context, or at least form an opinion for themselves. They just heard \"he attacked the community - be upset\" and those folks just went \"got it, I'll turn it up to 11\". The only people benefiting from this are the press. That's his point in Stunted. That, and the corporate media are angry that he beat the system and got his money, so now they want to destroy him. It makes me so goddam mad to hear his jokes that have me howling, even the ones that are \"against\" me, and knowing the context, delivery, everything surrounding them then seeing some fucking article talking about how he's this terrible human. Fucking clueless cunts.\n\nI am prepared for your down votes. Your hate fuels me.", "LGBTQ+ people, especially trans people, ESPECIALLY trans women are still at the heart of hate campaigns and extraordinary violence.", "S-S...", "I’m sure you can provide me with an example of Carlin doing so. \n\nThen I’d love an example of something you think is funny/punching down.\n\nJudging by your post and comment history you have the sense of humor of an awkward 13 year old so I don’t have high hopes for what examples you’re about to provide.", "you should trim down your act - do you really need sad, weak, and pathetic?\n\nthe rest of it was kind of nonsense", "Neither, I'm just explaining why they aren't as big names in standup as people think they should be.", "He was groundbreaking to people who weren’t ready for people like Eddie Murphy.", ">If that's the case, the term has been wrongly applied for the last 5 years or so\n\nNo, its been applied correctly. The central thesis is: Transwomen arent women. \n\nThe proble here is these Terfs dont think that they \"hate\" them, they just think theyre \"wrong.\" Thats the issue. The people that hatecrime trans people use that same logic which is basically calling them a freak. \n\nThis is like disagreeing with the KKK about hating black people but agreeing with the concept of race, the distinction they used to create \"black\" people in order to 'other' them so \"white people\" can pretend theyre separate. The division is violence, its what breeds hate. \n\nThese are all artificial terms. They are NOT absolute.", "I don't believe they're different. There are distinct physical and mental differences between men and women, including trans people.", "\\#isupportdave", "I think that just tells you that nothing has changed.", "Love that, doesn't like it, doesn't agree with it, thinks it's a bad idea, but will defend his right to be able to do it. Good guy Carlin", "It’s over some trans jokes he made. Bummer, I’m pretty liberal, but comedy is comedy. Have you seen Bill Burr? He’s a dick to everyone. Just get over it. Funny to some, distasteful to others, and it’s not a political statement.", "Fuck. Thank you for restoring my faith in some of this thread. It's been weirdly spooky seeing how many transphobic people have been coming out of the woodwork from this special.", "> Also, let's keep in mind that this Dice we see on stage is a character with an element of satire.\n\nFull disclosure, I'm basing the reply I'm making to this off appearances he made on O&A over a decade ago, but the real Dice is just a down-the-line entitled boomer. Less offensive, sure, but nowhere near the level of real-life and character disconnect as say, Steven Colbert's \"Colbert Report\" persona.\n\nI used to hate when he was a guest on that show because I knew he was going to just complain about smartphones for over an hour. He'd ignore any positive aspects about their existence because his kids would tune him out and dick around on their iPhones while he's trying to explain how this girl who's 4 years older than they are is their new mom.", "Tbf, most of these threads about the Chappelle special get locked. Usually they get brigaded by the paeudo-outraged trans crowd and the anti-trans crowd -- both of which are twisting, and horrifically distorting Chappelle's actual words to mean wildly different things. They've been quite the train wrecks.", "Carlin did pro-abortion routines in the sixties and seventies.\n\nIt's not exactly hard to read what side he was on. If you don't know, you're deliberately ignorant.", "\"HE DIDN'T SAY IT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT! \nANYWAYS, LET ME REPEAT HOW IT MUST HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT IN LITERALLY EVERY THREAD\"\n\nAre you people just that stupid or such dishonest scumbags?", "Sometimes even being an asshole is successfully funny in the right hands but somehow this, just really isn't, even though he's obviously playing a character it still just doesn't work. I'm trying to figure out how I could find it funny because I didn't get so much as a giggle. I think I can imagine finding that funny maybe when I was somewhere between 10 to 12 years old. I had some very basic understanding of how sex worked and I think I recall it had been explained to me at some point how being gay worked and I think when you have that really limited understanding these kind of jokes might work. Something to do with playing with the taboo subjects flippantly like that which is a feature of a lot actually funny comedy I think kind of helps when you're a kid to sort of feel like you understand about topics that you really don't understand. Maybe that's where the enjoyment kind of comes in and allows room to find the laughs somehow. Obviously it's from a very different time, as I just can't picture finding this funny after 14 years of age at the very most and that's kind of late as well.", "ok, so you're obviously a smart ass. Let me help you out. \n\nI'll start with a question. \n\nWhere did I say \"no one\" would want this man, that I absolutely adore, to exist?\n\nI'll go ahead now and jump to the end. \n\n\"would not be allowed to exist\" is FAR from \"no one wants\" \n\nI really hope that you can understand the difference.", "You are putting more words in their mouth than they are putting in mouth of the dead friend. All they are saying is she doesn't have the ability to speak about this, and then are stating their own opinions on the matter, not claiming that that's what Daphne would have said. Work on your reading comprehension before you act reactionary.", "Holy Christ", "Dave's been criticized for picking on trans and siding with terfs. \n\nWhat carlin is saying applies to trans folks as much as it does the original groups he spoke of.", "Our generation is also litetally protesting becuase of the set.", "He has no narrative. He’s mjoke-teller. The entire reason the story exists is for the punchline. Facts are irrelevant.", "That's 100% inaccurate. I literally have a mom who treats black people like normal people but whines about inclusion and thinks they're wrong about being treated differently by the system.\n\nI say this all the time. Bigots aren't just people who shout slurs. There's a lot more subtlety to it.", "Jesus dude get outside and meet your neighbors, christ.", "I personally have decided that my opinion / interpretation of events doesn’t really matter. It’s seems like nothing to me because it doesn’t affect me at all. But I have taken a look at how trans folks have been responding and believe that if they aren’t okay with it then neither should I. I think more people should stop thinking their opinion / interpretation should carry weight for things that don’t affect them and instead be an ally to the people that are feeling harmed.", "Yes, so long as that reasoning is objectively true.", "I don't see how that relate to what Chapelle said?", "This isn't anything new. Unpopular speech has rarely been profitable. It doesn't matter if it was TV, cable TV, radio stations, publishers, record labels etc. Self-censorship has always been there along the way. I think it's weird that just now, at this time, people are acting like it's the end of the world or even unusual. It's just same shit, different decade.", "Throw in Bill Hicks for the trifecta. \n\nI’m a Tool fan and they used some of his clips in their early albums so I checked out his full shows recently and … yikes. There are some funny bits but most of it aged like milk.", "Oh, for sure. Every documentary following a transperson in the 80s and 90s ends with “and they died before we finished editing”", "He got paid $20m for an unfunny comedy special that is still up on Netflix. He is fine, and is doing better than anyone in this comment section will ever do even while he is being “canceled”", ">Well you're seen as bigoted \n\nThe \"bigoted\" attack is so overplayed, that nobody cares about the accusation anymore. I know you think I'm bigoted, and I think you're a hateful bigot for thinking that.", "Are you talking about Joe's comedy or who he is as a person? Rogan isn't a great comedian but he's a smart guy, has lots of interesting guests who tell fascinating stories and share lots of knowledge. I think the person you're replying to is criticizing the low-brow cheap laughs that Dice could get back then because comedy was a little less refined at the time", "The answer is you DO use your own personal experiences, but your personal experiences have to be gathered by putting yourself in the right educational situations. You also do research from respected professional sources (not social media).", "You're out of points.", "My opinion differs from you but I feel the exact same way about David Cross and his politics on stage.", "What a fucking lie. When I grew up in the 90s being gay or bisexual or even effeminate was a literal death sentence to your social life. Faggot jokes were the funniest thing of the time and i dont remember that changing until well after 2000. Things may have gotten much better in those periods but there was still a lot of work to do.", "A nice way of saying \"trying too hard and not getting anywhere\" or thinking \"people just don't 'get' my humor\" stuff like that.", "Thanks for posting. I moved to Houston in 1983 and next-door lived some struggling comedians. Hicks was often there and I saw his shows 20 or 30 times over the years. He was a big influence on my life. I think one of his overriding philosophies is to have a healthy skepticism of authority. He could explore hypocrisy with a sledgehammer. Genius.", "Except the dozens of jokes he has about how transgender women are not biologically women. He seems like he doesn't know the difference at all.", "I'm sure you could go through her Twitter post history and have a look for that proof? Or are you just happy to keep saying no one has provided proof? \n\nAs someone who has attempted suicide twice I hid that shit, those dark ass feelings, way from my closest family as best as I fucking well could so that they weren't burdened by me. That's the whole fucking point.", "Okay, call me 'your eminence' for the rest of my life. I neeeeeeeed it.", "Tell me, did you or did you not write the below statement:\n\n> \"Making jokes about everyone\" is sort of a lazy excuse. That does nothing to establish or even consider when certain things may be appropriate or crossing a line.\n\nDid someone hack your account and choose to respond to me? I mean, I know it may be hard to admit you are wrong, but outright denying reality is really pathetic. I'll even link the full response you wrote earlier so that you can look at the context of it so you don't delete it:\n\n\n> > Dave's friend posted and defended Dave from her own accord- Chappelle didn't force or even ask her to.\n\n>Making those sort of statements don't really matter because not only was she not addressing the overall issue, but the same phenomenon of potential self-censoring is still present. We do not know at all what here real talk in private would've been in regards to say... terfs or friends calling themselves friends while saying things contrary to that concept.\n\n>There is nothing, literally zero of anything that shows that she can't support Dave's comedy but be upset by literally anything else he may have done or said.\n\n>>It's obvious Chappelle makes fun of every group, including groups that have been historically been oppressed, so why should be be stopped from joking about only one group?\n\n>\"Making jokes about everyone\" is sort of a lazy excuse. That does nothing to establish or even consider when certain things may be appropriate or crossing a line.\n\n>>You're argument is hypocritical.\n\n>Come back to me when you look up the definition of hypocrisy.", "Punching up means you're not a threat. They don't NEED to defend themselves.", "Then we just disagree fundamentally. I have to say I'm not super shocked. I suspect most defending Dave just fall into the area of \"I don't believe transgender is a real thing\" and you're helping confirm it.", "His message is hateful and will directly cause violence against trans and black people.", "Normally I'd agree but Joe is a stand up comic. Probably knows the dude personally from way before the podcast", "You don't understand sex and gender and you obviously don't understand psychology or biology.", "Exactly. Not only do they have full control of power as far as he's concerned, they're using it to cancel him. A modern form of Lynch mobbing", "One of the smartest Chapelle fans.", "No. He’s blatantly making things up to tell jokes. As comedians they’re afforded that luxury.", "\"Vote TERFs 2022\"", "Yeah, you’re totally right..... he was definitely not a centrist. He just made fun of ridiculous people on all sides. But he was an avowed communist and fell left of center on most (not all) issues. Which is clear to anyone that actually watches his special and listens to the guy talk. It’s not even ambiguous.", "Literally black trans people are the most effected by anti trans rhetoric so hes doing a disservice to his own by spouting off this message. This excuse doesn't hold water he's just a bitter old man.", "oh look we can still mock", "I love his stuff myself and he basically got me into comedy as a kid along with Hicks. But these guys are not touted for their laughs pr minute or clever tags, twists and callbacks etc amongst comedians. Carlin particularly was more akin to a so called 'one-man-show' like what Colin Quinn does. He was a writer first, comic second by his own admission.", "Why are you defending this man like you are getting paid to do it, if you haven’t even watched his stuff", "I'm sorry", "That's cause you're here after the game was changed.", "It'S JuSt A JoKe GuYs!!11", "I mean, there's no evidence that she was attacked on Twitter.", "Tell me how this is different.", "> No one is worthy enough to do that.\n\nI hate the Carlin worship lol", ">Uberwokes\n\nLol\n\nTwitter social warriors in their way to become a living paradox", "Yea I just assumed it was mid 80’s since that’s when Dice was big, didn’t realize it was filmed 1990 when I first posted. My bad on that.", "Well, he did have that one “show me a tropical fruit and I’ll show you a cocksucker from Guatemala”.", "You're trying to make the gay marriage argument from 2000: gay people can get married any time they want. As long as they marry hetero. \n\nA trans woman competing as a man automatically is no longer a trans athlete.", "If you find yourself punching, in any direction, better be ready to catch one yourself", "Yeah dude I think there’s a big ole difference between me shitting on the John and me being on a stage performing to an audience. I think it’s pretty cowardly to take on a profession in which people pay you to make comedic social commentary, but you take to bubble-wrapping it around some sacred comedy “code” whenever you actually incur criticism for the things you say. Nothing says “pushing the social boundaries” quite like playing a victim when people disagree. \n\nThe whole diatribe about words just being “sounds” is kind of a non-starter since, ya know, comedians aim to earn an income from people paying to hear them perform. I really don’t know how much water you expect that little thought exercise to hold. \n\nAnd who said anything about “taking offense?” Cornering anyone who has an issue with your opinions under an “outraged” label is pretty cowardly. If his words didn’t matter, he wouldn’t have a career. Guy wants to open and close a dialogue all on his own, and it’s pretty weak.", "Every single statement about human society omits details.", "A bit that he stole from Louis CK", "Peak boomer humor.", "At a certain point, if you're doing a parody, you have to insert some hint that you're being ironic. When you just become that character and just say horrible shit with no punch line, then you're just being a horrible person, and you're going to attract horrible people.\n\nIf you're making fun of the person you're portraying, fine. But the majority of his audience didn't think he was making fun of the person he was portraying, they were agreeing with him. So if he was actually trying to be a parody, he was really fucking bad at it.", "What the fuck are you babbling about? This has been international news so far and Dave Chappelle has been required to respond to it. \n\nAlso we have video of people protesting in support of Dave Chappelle being physically assaulted and having their signs that said \"Jokes are funny\" destroyed. \n\nI'm going to be completely honest, you guys have one hundred percent of the power and you're drunk on it. And you're every bit as bad as the oppressor you claim to fight if not worse because you at least exist and your oppressor does not.", "Ah yes not giving one view to a dude who was already paid beforehand and millions have already seen it lol. \n\n>his literal word of \"I'm team terf\"\n\n>I refuse to accept y'all trying to mask it in a coat of irony\n\nWho the fuck is trying to mask it or saying it's irony? Holy shit your comprehension is awful. But he said that in context of trans women biologically not being women. That is the extent of him being TERF. Pay attention to context jfc.\n\nI'm done with your weak canceling ass.", "The “but I’m transphobic” part was definitely part of the joke but its also him expressing his anger. He’s been pretty clear about what his frustration is. That one story of him being spoken to by the Comedy Central censors about it being okay to say use racial slurs but it not being okay to use homophonic slurs because the implication is since Dave isn’t an “f” he can’t use the f word but because he can say “n” because he is one.", "> “Trans women are not real women” is not a joke.\n\nHe also said, in like the next sentence Transwomen are women.", "Have a friend who says the same thing. It starts with \"I think people are leaning more and more to the extreme and society shouldn't encourage body alteration\". Then 30 minutes later when I kinda shit all over his views, the truth comes out and he just doesn't see it as biologically possible.", "No. You think I owe you an argument, but I don't owe you a goddamn thing because you're an ignorant troll pretending to be intelligent.", "To care so little about those around is a sad thing.", "Downvote", "wow! Really say you don’t know Carlin without saying it. Those two were extremely close personal friends.\n\nEdit: your silence is deafening… \n\nGo start with the Aristocrats and then read of the many discussions they shared with the world together. r/confidentlyincorrect", "Wtf is a terf?", "> The \"bigoted\" attack is so overplayed\n\nWe're talking about a scenario where someone denies an objectively true fact out of prejudice for trans people. That is bigotry.", "I agree. People who agree that he's being a shithead are just saying it's not cool. Nah, it's as you said, fucking disgusting and borderline evil.", "This is exactly what I was thinking watching it. What he said was obviously offensive but I immediately took the character as a caricature of the NY/Jersey tough guy so I didn't walk away as shocked as some comments seem to be. It just felt like shock rock. Like watching a Marilyn Manson music video from the 90s. Diet Evil. Only 1 calorie. Not even evil enough.\n\nEDIT: This was just my takeaway from watching the clip for the first time. I was thinking it was a gross character that obviously would age even worse. I'm still looking at stuff from him in general.", ">A trans woman competing as a man automatically is no longer a trans athlete.\n\nWhy would you want to compete as an athlete at the lower levels? Isn't the point of competing to test your mettle against the best you can find and push yourself? Sounds to me like they don't want to be women, they want to be better than.\n\nThey aren't being denied access to sports, they're being denied the inherent biological advantage their chromosomes gave them.", "All of you people saying it's a joke. That's masking it in irony. Guess what, if you're a terf you're transphobic. Bioessentialism is transphobia. Biologic sex is a myth.", "The comparison being made is between punching up and punching down.\n\nPeople point to the level of violence and legislation against trans people as an indicator that they continue to be underdogs.\n\nChappelle made some jokes about them, the specifics I am not sure. The people who believe that Chappelle was punching down did not feel that he represented the trans community in a fair or humanizing manner.\n\nThe comparison goes on because Chappelle, being black, is a member of an underdog group himself. I believe that was part of the joke; that gay people get better treatment/more respect than black people. The idea of an underdog group member punching down or sideways at another is the point of comparison.\n\nChappelle has been criticized by others for using his comedy to unintentionally perpetuate racial stereotypes and power dynamics rather than bring any insightful criticism to the discussion.\n\nOther people disagree that Chappelle intended or conveyed a worldview that lacked ethical consideration and respect for trans people or held them as less than any other human.", "Sounds like you and he are kind of making the same point about her winning woman of the year, no?", "How?", "Highlight is the lady in the red sweater at the 1:00 minute mark repeating the words \"butt slammer\". She seems proud of her new word", "I keep seeing \"context\" but nothing to back it up. Saying \"I actually like trans\" is not context. It's excuses.\n\nAlso, it's not about me, but it's not \"online only\". I volunteered at a mental health clinic for 2.5 years.", "So carry a knife or take some self-defense classes.", ">As Dave said in the special\n\nYea, why have an original thought when you can just parrot funny man who you agree with, right?...", "It's not just because of him telling jokes, it's that he's profoundly ignorant on the topic and isn't taking criticism of his act very well.\n\nOffensive comedy that he specializes in requires you to walk a tightrope balance. So far, he's stuck to subjects he's been immersed in. Now he's moving outside of his typical offensive expertise without the requisite education. It's little surprise he's upsetting people.", "He gave two groups of people sound bits to cling to and fight over, once again using Daphne for his own personal gain. He doesn’t give a shit about Daphne or the trans community. He only cares about further his own ambitions, at everyone else’s expense.", "That's not the first thing people would mention about them, no. And if asked to list the funniest folks through time, they would very rarely find their way to the top of the list. They were very influential, but not for their mastery of the craft of joke writing as much as their social impact and standout styles. And Carlin for being so incredibly prolific. He himself called himself a writer.", "I love that as long as you don't say it it's fine. He also obviously implied she killed herself because of LGBT harassment. I guess murderers get to go free as long as they don't just say \"I killed someone\".", "Of course, you shouldn't be surprised if you say something vague and it's not interpreted the way you'd like. Are you going to actually elaborate on what \"would not be allowed to exist\" actually means, or are you just going to incoherently lecture me about what it doesn't?", "There’s a difference in the way that comedy can be offensive. Bill Burr is the right kind of offensive. Some people are the wrong kind of offensive. Hopefully someone else reading this that also understands could explain it better.", "Pathetic.", "I'm good man, I'm not here to reflect on life and start a lengthy debate about what you think is and isn't correct. This diatribe between us could go on forever and ever and ever. If this makes you feel like you won some goal against a random nobody on the internet and you got your superiority dopamine hit for being right. Well bask in that I suppose. Goodbye forever weirdo.", "It's tough to balance entertainment and Poe's Law. \n\ni.e. you think your subject or actions are clearly ridiculous and no one will take them seriously, so comedy (especially) may seem easy and the jokes apparent. But, paraphrasing George Carlin, \"think of how stupid the avaerge person is and realize half of all people are dumber than that.\"\n\nThe intent will be lost on a lot of people who will take the message at face value and agree with it.\n\nOr said in another way, if you act dumb don't be surprised if you find yourself surrounded by dumb people.\n\n(Carlin may have put it a little harshly for comedy's sake, but in essence I agree with him. Also consider most people consider themselves smarter than they really are and aren't all that likely to apply critical thinking skills. Because obviously they have a complete and instant understanding of what they see / hear.)", "Note I have never said you needed surgery to be trans, that's something you perpetuated yourself. Just that trans men are men, and that trans women are women.", "\"old\"\n\nLol. Ok.", "Again, Carlin went to jail and got fired multiple times breaking the rules of contractually obligated speech restrictions. You are just being absurd…", "Now \\^here\\^ is a REAL ally.", "If you felt rage at gay people after watching Chapelle’s special, that’s a you problem not a him problem.", "It's clear he was serious. Do you need me to get the quote?", "> comedy is comedy\n\nComedy, like any other art or expression, does impact the world. Just because people are laughing, doesn't mean it's harmless.\n\nI am not trying to make any claims about any of the comedians in question or their specific material, I just want to push back on the idea that all jokes are harmless or are equally so.\n\nComedy can be quite powerful, in some circumstances. Are there any examples in which you have seen jokes change the way you look at someone or the way other people look at you?", "> trans people have successfully canceled virtually any comedian who dares aim a joke at them\n\nKeep using far right buzzwords. Makes you look real smart.\n\nAlso yea right you fucking pussy. \"Cancelled\" like Dave Chapelle, who has a multi million dollar deal with Netflix for shit talking trans people for some hours. You are the whole circus you piece of shit transphobe!", "Who's the comic named Andy he's talking about?", "I respect your opinion, but I personally like how an intellectual giant like Carlin knew his way around a swear word. Made him more relatable that way. He was like a voice for the common man.\n\nThe vulgarity just makes him seem all the more adept at the game I think. It's easy to be vulgar for the sake of vulgar, which I don't think is any good, but to me a wordsmith like Carlin was just using all the available tools in his arsenal. I recall hearing that he meticulously selected the words for all of his jokes and shows.\n\n\"Why is it... that most of the people who are against abortion - are people you wouldn't want to fuck in the first place?\"", "I'm coming from the point of people's opinions who fucking knew her. That's not twisting shit.\n\nI just saw the special last week and he very obviously implies she killed herself due to harassment for defending him.\n\nI don't know what your tangent was about Bill Maher, but Dave can still say shit and be a hypocrite.\n\nHe can say, \"There's no absolutes\" and \"She was harassed by LBGT on twitter and killed herself.\" They're not exclusive and it doesn't excuse lying.", "The problem is too many people think their right to say what they want means that you're obligated to take it seriously and pay attention. The reality is that they can say what they want, but they have to be ready to potentially get [hit in the mouth for what they say.](https://www.seattlepi.com/local/crime/article/SPD-Man-with-Nazi-armband-started-fights-downtown-12206664.php)", "Nobody felt rage at gay people after watching Dave Chapelle? What the fuck is wrong with you people?", "Sounds like the Chappelle situation for about 5 seconds, then it's nothing like what's going on now. I had no idea there was beef between trans and Dave before I saw his special. What I now know was laid out from his perspective and he seems reasonable. The trans perspective I've only seen on posted videos showing them looking ugly calling names and throwing threats around.", "LOLOLOLOL", "Just a thought... Perhaps physically demanding sports SHOULD be competed based on the genetics of the individuals competing. Genetic men (you know, the old-fashioned type of person we considered a man) overwhelmingly are statistically bigger and stronger in numerous ways than genetic women (you know, the old-fashioned person we considered a woman). \n\n\nIf Usain Bolt just changes his mind and decides he's been a woman all along, his genetics won't get the memo and downgrade all the things his testosterone levels have done to help him be as fast as he is. You know, those genetic advantages that are heavily associated with his genetic maleness. \n\n\nBut sure... keep trying to pretend up is down and down is up. \n\n\nThe transgender activist crowd always talks out of both sides of their mouths. They say gender is a construct. They say sex and gender are two different things. \n\n\nWell, clearly when sports are divided between male and female, they are not talking about some vague personal gender expression. They are talking about the hard science male/female reproductive organs and genetics type of male and female. That still exists. That is the criteria. \n\n\nOf course you know this. I know this. We all know and understand this.", "Ah I use to like Bill Hicks. I’m prob gonna regret asking but link?", "You misunderstand. I want them to do everything they want to and not be in any way persecuted. What I don't want them to do is tell me I have to act like I believe it too.", "Gawd I miss him", ">brilliant, nuanced discussion chapelle is having with his audience\n\nDoesn't Chapelle himself remember the realization he had about a segment of his fans not getting his nuance and severely misreading his comedy? And didn't that fuck him up for awhile? He knows there's an audience for material that plays to people's bigotry at a surface level, even if there may be underlying nuance. But that's not a problem to him when it comes to trans I guess.", "Am i crazy to think he said nothing offensive or even anything i think can be considered offensive \n\nIf u were offended you were looking to be offended\n\nI’m a “discriminated against minority” and not a single person in my community would be upset if he made this “joke” at us", "Exactly, cause social arguments are rarely winnable by logic or intelligence, as your example proves. We all pay for Healthcare one way or another...", "Ok cool, so you're paying attention now. Less vague for you I guess. I'll keep lecturing since you seem to be listening, more than you're comprehending for sure. \n\nPerhaps you should get clarification when you're not completely sure what someone means, instead of jumping straight to being a twat, eh?\n\nOffice hours are over.", "Not exactly. His point seemed to be that she shouldn't have won because she wasn't born a woman and hadn't \"been one for long enough\". My point is that she didn't fucking do anything notable and didn't deserve it", "I want say I agree until evidence is provided. But I think we can agree on two things.\n\n1. He's saying things that didn't happen. There's no evidence she was harassed on twitter.\n2. Deadnaming contributes so fucking massively to trans suicide. And guess what Dave did in this fucking special?", "You are upset people are upset. \n\nYou're offended", "In the US where Dave Chappelle merely not licking their asshole has led to protests? \n\nSorry, but they aren't some oppressed underclass. In fact the reaction to it proves that Dave punched up. If he made any jokes about white people there would have been zero protests.", "You clearly didn't watch the special all the way and pay attention to what he was saying. \n\nKids these days getting offended over every little thing. That's some first world privilege right there.", "That's not how it was applied to Rowling, which is (I'd bet) when most people heard the term until Chappelle said it. \n \nThat KKK equivalency is a Grand Canyon-sized logical leap. The argument that \"they don't think they hate\" is also absurd. For example, my trans friends also want feminism and trans issues addressed separately. They go to LGBT parades, but they don't usually go to feminist rallies.", "You’re offended", "Now that I've had time to settle in to this shitstorm I started, sorry I didn't expect this to blow up like it did. I wanna make a few quick points if this doesn't get lost in the comments:\n\n1. I'm not saying Carlin is advocating for cancel culture here, and I'm not using this Carlin clip to rationalize or in any way justify cancelling a comedian. I kind of figured if you listened to the first few seconds here, that was self explanatory since he said as much himself. I didn't post this in response or in validation for cancel culture.\n\n2. I'm not saying Dave Chappelle is Andrew Dice Clay, especially Dice in the 80's. I'm not insane. Of course I'm not saying that. From 0:08 on in this clip until the end, what he's saying, and his commentary on comedy and the targets of jokes is VERY MUCH relevant to Dave Chappelle making jokes about another minority group. The idea of an anger and rage behind an audiences laughter during a comedians jokes could not be more relevant then it is right now, and Carlin touched on that exactly in this clip. He said it perfectly. \n\n3. Trans people are a marginalized group. A lot of you in the comments need to come to terms with this.", "Who says he didn't?", "Well trans people all want that but I speak as an individual, I don’t claim to speak for all trans people so yes I switch between I and we when appropriate because I’m capable of understanding nuance. \n\nFreedom of speech isn’t freedom of consequences, which is what the right wingers who say dumb things and get in trouble don’t understand.\n\n I keep saying I don’t want legislation and you keep saying I do, if you can’t stop putting words in my mouth we can’t take this any further. \n\nYou say my side with hitler comparison, and people do make them when people are being racist and anti Semitic like hitler. Some people go overboard with it but I sure as fuck don’t, yet you continue to consider me as if I’m a monolith.\n\nEvidence for discriminatory legislation? HB-2, although it was eventually overturned did get passed in my fucking state, which had a direct impact on myself and my mental health. \n\nI keep telling you I’m not limiting your free speech, just that if you’re rude people won’t like you. Nobody has to like you, and if you’re rude they fucking won’t. That’s not limiting free speech.\n\nThe fact that you don’t acknowledge the actual arguments I’m making is what makes you a troll. Why is it important not to misgender me? Because if you got called what you aren’t all day or by a different name it would slowly chip away at your sanity, and I can tell you right now it’s not fun. I guess I live by the principle that if I can make people a little happier by doing next to nothing I’ll do it, because I want people to be happy. Evidently you disagree. You say humans being awful to each other is the default, which says a lot about how you think. I just want you to ask yourself why it has to be the default.", "Sure do and it's neurology.", "This comment section alone shows how dangerous Dave's \"jokes\" are. There are people here arguing that trans people have too much power and Dave is a poor guy being beaten by the system. Y'all need therepy.", "Transvestite and transgender are two different things, FYI. The word you’re looking for is transgender.\n\nEdit: not trying to be PC, it’s just that the meaning changes notably enough that it’s important to distinguish.", "Two things:\n\n1. It's not super relevant. I'm sure if it occurred, it wouldn't have helped. But people who knew her closely straight up said it wasn't a contributing factor. At best, they're ignorant, at worst Dave is exaggerating and lying.\n2. There's still been zero proof provided that she was harassed.", "Andrew Dice Clay", "He did this with the JK Rowling incident to stir backlash against the LGTBTQ community for speaking out. \n\nHe blamed LGBTQ people for cancelling JK Rowling. But JK Rowling was never cancelled. She's still with her publisher, writing stories about cross dressers who are predators. \n\nWhat happened is that people expressed what they saw and heard. And not just for 'stating an opinion'. She wrote an entire manifesto which insinuated that trans women were just sexual predator men in disguise. \n\nPeople called her out on her temperament and incorrect facts. Chappelle tore into those people, saying what they did was wrong. He wants to silence those people. He lied about them, saying that she was actually cancelled, and just for stating an opinion. His agenda is to make portray them as rabid. And people are calling him out on this. \n\nA person with a huge media platform, and tons of further media that will report any statement he makes off the cuff. But it's the people with twitter accounts with less than 10 followers who should be silenced?", "I thought you weren't engaging with me any further?\n\nOoh, things are as exactly how I described. Imagine my suprise. You'll dribble your nonsense as long as its off topic, but god forbid I actually ask you to substantiate your position. Then its exit stage left post haste. \n\nAs I said, amusing.", "Lmao are you tryna justify him lumping off the entire community as problematic?", "It's Ok, you can say it\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vILJFZUs-_U", "Sooo Carlin was literally playing stupid games to win stupid prizes to prove a point. \n\nHe would say the same thing of Dave I feel.\n\nEdit: and it doesn’t even matter, Netflix is not in the wrong for choosing what they sell regardless of what we perceive their motivations to be.", "I stole 'Class Clown' on vinyl and 8track in the early 70's and wore both out. Twice. Carlin replaced Shelley Berman for me. Still love Shelley though.", "Same special, same bit even, he goes off about a \"...fifteen year old black kid in Florida. The black kid accidentally killed his neighbor while he was practicing wrestling moves that he saw on TV....they gave him life.\"\n\nNo mention that the victim was a 6 year old (black) girl, or that...\n\n> Tate was convicted of killing Eunick by stomping on her so forcefully that her liver was lacerated. Her legs, feet, and neck all had serious bruises; an example of the amount of force used on her was similar to bruises from that of a speeding car. Her other injuries included a fractured skull, fractured rib, and swollen brain.\n\n-\n\nLionel Tate's conviction was overturned in 2004, 3 years later. In 2005 he committed armed robbery on a pizza guy and his customer, and is still serving time for that.\n\nDave Chappelle has a long history of amending actual events in order to facilitate his goal of preaching. It's just coming to public attention now, for some reason. He's always included sections in his standup that aren't meant to be funny, but are instead meant to preach. When anybody objects to his storytelling integrity, the reply is always \"he's just a comedian, why is he being held to this standard?\"", "Is that a thing? I've not seen any of that. I'm not even sure I understand the argument they'd be making.", "I'm so persuaded by your cogent reasons.", ">Did someone hack your account and choose to respond to me? I mean, I know it may be hard to admit you are wrong, but outright denying reality is really pathetic.\n\nCool story, you still haven't answered:\n\n1) Please quote where I believe there is a line that Dave crosses.\n\n2) Please quote where I said that line \"ends on\" trans people\n\n\nCome back when you've actually read what you are pasting.\n\nGo ahead, I'll wait.", "I'm actually saying the opposite, that he's a fantastic writer and knew exaqctly what he was doing, and that's why I believe it's OK to call a comic out and criticize them. When they are the best at what they do, there is very little mistakes in their routines. They are good, and they know what they're doing, so it's much easier and much fairer to send criticism their way then maybe a new comic whose just starting out and made a joke in poor taste who didn't write it well.", "He's completely wrong, however. Comedy is not about power, comedy is about absurdity.\n\nIt doesn't matter who's the underdog and who's in power, what matters is what according to your understanding of reality is absurd.", "> Now it's the liberal side going ham with it.\n\nLmao yea right, tell me when the libruls spread military propaganda with Marvel movies and when they \"teach different opinions\" about the fucking Holocaust. \nWhat a joke.", "Why does hurt you so much to say a different word when asked ? What is it costing you ?", "On the one hand, the internet puts the power of the printing press in the hands of every person on earth. It's an incredible enabler for the transmission of speech and ideas. \n\nOn the other hand, every person on earth now has a printing press, and a lot of those ideas they're slinging are shit. \n\nIt probably balances, in the end. Somewhere. ;)", "Adjusting to your logic, making fun of a topic means you hate said topic. That means literally every comedy/humor in all of existence = hate towards whatever it's joking about. That's fucking retarded. \n\nKids these days getting offended over everything. That's some first world privilege right there.", "Hahaha. That's an enormous accusation that I don't believe you can logical back up with any proof. But I'll give it a shot. What specifically in his message will directly cause violence to trans and black people?", "It's not really perception if it's not true. Also, it seemed more like he used her as a crutch and literally even says at one point after using the wrong pronoun, \"And Daphne would have loved that joke\". I guess I can call black people the n-word as long as I find a black friend to think it's funny.", "It's not hard to know for sure: you could find out what Daphne's family said happened to her.", "Trans athletes have been allowed in the Olympics for almost a half century. \n\nKnow how many have medaled? \n\nZero. \n\nAnd look up the definition of gender. Social construct is right there in the definition. So, you've already got two strikes. \n\nLastly, the average woman Olympian is going to be faster than the average man. A lot of that is also determined by genetics, but not by sex. \n\nSo, do you HAVE a point?", "Rick and morty wasn't the greatest example because they changed that show when people started idolizing Rick too much. It's the example OP was talking about", "You literally don’t even know who you’re replying to, take your meds.", "I’m definitely failing to see exactly the parallel that OP is drawing here. I thought it was just me. And maybe it is.", "That only \"validates\" the part of the story that nobody is claiming to be false—that Daphne Dorman liked Chappelle and defended his previous remarks. The \"made shit up\" part is where she was allegedly bullied to suicide for it.", "Andrew Dice Clay was protested too.\n\nHere's a good article about when he hosted Saturday Night Live. It gives a good idea of how his comedy was judged at the time.\n\nhttps://www.vulture.com/2015/09/when-andrew-dice-clay-came-to-snl-and-controversy-followed.html", "Bro treating a person equally the same as another person is literally the definition of equality. \n\nYour mom on the other hand isn't treating black people like everyone else.", "He's talking about the washed up comedian who is in A Star Is Born.", "It's related to the story he told of a confrontation he had with a gay person. They're gay until they call the cops, then they're just white.\n\nCalling the cops on a black person over a petty argument has some pretty shitty implications. Doubly-so if you know the cops are going to side with you because you're white. It's an escalation of violence by proxy.", "TERF is literally transphobic there's nothing noble about trying to shed sympathy to their \"cause\", that's just, you know, also transphobia.", "Bruh, implication is real and it's really annoying that people go braindead to defend it.\n\nYou can't basically put \"she killed herself\" and \"she was harassed together\" give a disclaimer that you don't know and then think people won't associate it.\n\nDave knew damn well what he was doing.\n\nAlso, as said before, he nor anyone can provide evidence that she was harassed.", "Yep this is the problem. It's not too much Christian voices that have issues with language (they still do) it's just their voice isn't as big now as the LGBQT community when it comes to it. That's because LGBQT get to play the role of \"victim\". Which is very appealing. If your the victim then you get the right to anger and retribution. As LGBQT community would put it they are fighting for justice for down trodden. Dave wants to solve or discuss the problem within the Trans community (while making jokes along the way). These groups don't want to solve problems they just want to establish power since they are victims. For this community the way to establish more power is to convince more people they are oppressed. Hence the walkouts at Netflix.", "It's not matter of disagreement just you being flat out wrong. \n\nLolol how the fuck do you leap to not believing trans is real? This whole thread is full of idiots who can't comprehend shit and jump to conclusions without actually listening.", ">the extraordinary power of certain communities\n\nWhich is far right propaganda bordering on fascistm.\n\n>to bully them (to death in one case)\n\nGreat job spreading lies to further your transphobic agenda.\n\n>That's his thesis; He postulates further \n\nGet this Jordan Peterson bullshit out of here, Dave is a comedian not a philospher you little loser.", "The only response I saw from him was being open to dialogue under certain conditions, not a direct defense of any of his jokes.\n\nWhat is his defense?\n\nEdit: Since this was locked, my response: I appreciate you sourcing, though that doesn't change my stance. I saw his newest special, spare me the \"OMG you didn't watch.\" I asked because I thought he had said something new.\n\nHe sees himself as part of the trans community? Per his newest special, it sounds like he had a casual relationship with Daphne that he had a few candid conversations with - some in front of an audience, no less. Those conversations do not make him an expert - they make him aware of one perspective. A perspective that he's painfully not willing to add to because he seems to think the community at large is out to hurt him.\n\nTwitter isn't the entirety of the community, but he acts like it is. He says Twitter isn't a real place and he doesn't care, yet the entirety of his issues with the community in the special comes from Twitter. You know he cares because in his story where he beat up a lesbian woman, he acts like he doesn't care what she said about him not being a feminist but then thinks hard about what she said. This is true for Twitter, too: look at his defense of Rowling and his blaming Twitter over Daphne's suicide (he didn't directly blame Twitter, but he framed his arguments so that's the conclusion most would come to).\n\nIn his neighborhood, he presumably grew up with a whole fuckton of people's perspectives and his own on racism and god knows what else as part of the group being aggressed on. Yet he thinks that one person's second hand perspective is enough to devote an entire special's worth of ignorant rants on?", "Damn, that's a harsh set. Even my imature retarded ass found that gross.", "Have you seen that meme where the guys like \"jokes in you I was just pretending to be an idiot?\" Kinda the same... After a while it doesn't really matter if it's a \"character\", you're still spewing some disgusting shit.", "[I’ll retort with this video](https://youtu.be/oK4Fr2izNdU)\n\nA lot of people think he was just some ignorant dumb dumb…he wasn’t. Its completely fine to disagree with him or his approach, but he has his reasoning and its not coming from hate.", "Power dynamics exist within society. The makeup of the comedian's audience on any given night isn't really consequential to whether christians hold power over societal institutions.", "His whole starting career", "Seems like you do not know the difference between biological sex and gender. Chappelle does though. \n\nA trans woman is not a biological female. That is a fact. No amount of whining is going to change that.", ">Name a single person who was canceled and shouldn’t have been through their own actions?\n\nAziz Ansari is a good example, the people 'mattress girl' accused of rape, Alec Holowka who was a game designer accused of misconduct by Zoe Quinn who then killed himself ('as if it’s ruined lives'... Right?)", "Hickory Dickory dock", "> Hmm so people are misinterpreting.... \n \nNo. They're not. That's literally what I'm saying. *You* are pretending they are, and only you are making that misinterpretation. \n \n> My interpretation....same as your interpretation. \n \nThat clearly is not true. \n \n> My problem, again, is people interpreting it as the cause, which you just agreed to. Come on. \n \nNo, I did not agree to that. I agreed that YOU are doing that. And, I said pointedly that your claiming it doesn't make it true. I read ~100 comments, and not one made this blatant error.", "This, to me, seems like such a fucking cop out. People who realize that dave really isn’t that funny anymore and definitely is not the daring, societally outspoken comedian you once thought he was, use this to excuse his bullshit. Pretty much saying people who work for Netflix can’t express their distaste with dave’s shitty jokes about lgbtq+ people because they should be worrying about famine in africa or war in the middle east. Dave is probably the richest comedian currently and he acts like one: constantly playing the victim card and reversing the narrative, pointing the blame at others for criticizing his comedy.", "And there are plenty of trans people who are critiquing him.", "https://tenor.com/view/snape-harry-potter-you-dare-use-my-own-spells-against-me-potter-severus-snape-gif-16590981", "I have zero problem with the behavior, it's just the metaphysical claims and the demand that I pay lip service to them that I take issue with. You are welcome to present as you want, behave as you want, get whatever surgeries you want, and not be persecuted. But don't ask me to also say that I think you actually belong to this other group in a way that supercedes biology, just because you feel like you do.", "Ya he made fun of all kinds of people. The one about fat people always makes me laugh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLRQvK2-iqQ", "I started to sour on Chapelle as soon as he started letting his ego get ahead of him.", ">\tit’s a full stop for me at that point\n\nIf your beliefs aren’t open to review in the light of new evidence, would it be fair to say that they have no connection with reality?", "https://youtu.be/fbfNvyd6BFo", "Maybe he is testing a theory, but it seems pretty stupid and completely lacking any point beyond saying \"Why is LGBTQ rights being pushed faster than BLM?\" There are valid criticisms there for sure, but swatting at the social movement that is moving faster just to see how much power they have accomplishes nothing. There are much more constructive ways to say \"Hey it's great that they are getting this much power, why hasn't the black community gotten it after 100 years?\" That's a totally valid point and worth shining a light on, and I know Chappelle is smart enough to both make the point and tell a hilarious joke at the same time because I saw him do it all the time in the early 2000s.\n\nOn the biology topic, biology does not take the opposing view. You're mixing up sex and gender. Furthermore, biological studies have found fundamental differences between the brains of trans and cis people. There are also animals that exhibit similar behaviors and brain patterns as trans people and their brains.\n\nBut even if that wasn't the case, the biology/nature argument is also a callback to some unreal natural order that never existed. And let's be honest, saying something is natural so we should act a certain way isn't a great argument. Chimpanzees throw shit at each other and dolphins rape everything that moves. Our ancestors literally murdered and raped the Neanderthals out of existence. These were all natural. Just because something is \"natural\" or \"biological\" doesn't mean we humans have to strive to emulate it today.", "The majority of people who watched Dave's special realize it is not \"mean-spirited.\" Those who think otherwise are too thin-skinned.\n\nWe have far too many soft people who'd rather speech was limited than to look inward to strengthen their own resolution. It is far more admirable and difficult to build yourself up than it is to tear others down.", "As I said in my last sentence, there's no fucking evidence that she was harassed.\n\nI'd also like to add, there's no point in us, people who don't know a damn thing about her to speculate. I'm going off of the literal opinions of two people closest to her.", "A person can realize some character is a bad guy and still be a fan. Thinking that no mature person would ever prefer bad guys is ridiculous.", "Say that I'm 6'10\"", "And I don't mind anecdotes when you're not literally preaching instead of using comedy to make a point.", "> It's not really perception if it's not true.\n\nRight, I forgot no one can believe things unless they are true.", "Problem with South parks approach is that they pretend everything is equal, going as far as to compare the Jan 6th storming of the capitol to the BLM riots as \"fighting for what they believe in\" with zero nuance to it. There are other examples, but thats definitely one of the recent ones that can't be excused by \"a different time\" like manbearpig was", "> engage with someone\n\n> have all of your disingenuous arguments debunked\n\n> call them a weirdo", "That one I'm actually happy about - I may be able to read at a slightly higher level but even I get tripped up by Latin and legalese. If we could do everything I pictograms I'd be just fine with that - don't tell me how to insert a suppository, show me.", "My point was he associates in his mind regardless of what the family says. Read my post instead of calling me brain dead.\n\nAlso, I did a quick google search to try to find your claim about daphne not being harassed. I’m still looking for it, but those same sisters you mentioned are defending dave Chappelle. Sounds like you’re cherry picking an argument about someone else cherry picking an argument.", "Gender isn't biology though, Sex is.", ">“it could have, I don’t know.”\n\nThis perfectly captures where Dave is at honestly. Bullshit cop-outs after clear implication. He's very clearly hinting at his opinion, but because he doesn't state it outright, dipshits like you say he wasn't actually doing that.\n\nI guess Trump really didn't commit quid-pro-quo because he never explicitly stated it.", "The Caitlyn Jenner example? So fucking what. One token trans woman gets put on a magazine cover and now all trans women are void because one mtf \"made it\"? That's fuckin poppycock. That's the same bullshit mentality people have about Colin Kaepernick. \"He's rich, why is he complaining?\"\n\nCaitlyn Jenner is a rich, white person. She could have chosen to cut off both her legs and live as a double amputee and still lived better than 90% of the population.", "You think that’s all he did?", "I mean, even if they did have too much power, would you be willing to admit it? \n\nI don't think you would. Say a joke about trans people and its international news, say a joke about white people and its just comedy and you should grow a thicker skin. \n\nI think you guys are starting to understand what it means to be punched at and you don't like it.", "You can be liberal and still dislike ultra PC culture. Quit trying to paint carlin like he was a centrist when anyone with ears and a brain know he was extremely left-leaning in his politics.", "You doubling down on your dopamine hit? Have another on me buddy. LOL", "i never said they were… You just aren’t reading me…", "Dave Is 100% more Carlin than Dice. Dude is literally the comedic voice of a generation because of the brilliance of his social commentary. \n\nDice is the stand up equivalent of early Howard Stern. A shock jock.", "I agree, a cis woman who doesn't want to share a bathroom with a 6'3\" 220 pound trans woman with full stubble is EXACTLY LIKE a man who hates the thought of black cock penetrating his sacred white space, no exceptions or disagreements allowed unless you're a bigot.", "I'm not sure why this is downvoted. My friend transitioned in the 90s and I've had to explain this term more times than I can count. Average people really haven't heard this much, and many who have still don't know what it actually means.", "\"lol just let this asshole insult you for over an hour, otherwise you are not allowed to speak up against people hating and wanting to murder you\"\n\n\\-The average Redditor", "Then why do they get gender reassignment surgeries? Everyone loves to make this point, but while I appreciate there's a difference between the definitions, they're clearly smeared together as they manifest in the trans movement.", "You're not alone there. He's been getting less and less funny since he came back. \n\nI saw him live when he returned to touring and he did an average half hour set and then sat around taking awkward questions from the audience and giving unfunny answers. \n\nWithout commenting on the controversy around the special, this one blew. I snorted 4 or 5 times through the entire special the same way I would if I saw a semi funny meme on Reddit. \n\nIf you're going to spend half a special on a marginalised group you gotta make sure your jokes hit the spot.", " I met Shawn Michaels at a restaurant once - we’d accidentally been given his table. Apparently he was fond of the restaurant and had a specific table he liked, and the management had messed up and gotten their days wrong, (it was Tuesday and they thought he was coming on Thursday or something like that). Anyway, the manager, completely embarrassed (this is a pretty nice restaurant) comes by and says “I’m so sorry, but we’d like to move you to another table if you could be troubled, and we’ll gladly compensate you for the cost of the meal and any other meal you’d like while you’re in town.” My sister and cousin were both like “Yeah that’s cool.” and I kind of played the asshole a bit. “I’m sorry, I just don’t understand. We’ve been here for 15 minutes - we’ve just ordered. Can’t we finish our meal here?” Then out of nowhere Shawn Michaels shows up next to the manager and says “Paul, these guys can finish. We’ll be at the bar. I got some time.” And I (being a big HBK fan) said “Oh wow, uh… I had no idea. Please feel free to give them the table.” Shawn was grateful, shook my hand and said thanks, then gave me a card with his number on it and told me to give him a call later. After working up the nerve, I gave him a call that night, and to make a long story short, we had a glorious 11 month love affair, man on man, that I shall never forget. Our bodies intertwined as one, and from the beauty of Morocco, to the French Riviera, to the snorkeling in the Galopagos, Shawn Michaels and I made glorious love to each other on six of the seven continents.", "Because it’s fucking ass.", "Specifically. Tell me a joke. Tell me a routine.", "Do you feel you have the right to dictate how others act based on how they see you?", "Except dice has been doing it since the 80’s before these fucking “memes” you need gen-z’ers are referring to even existed.", "What I'm trying to say is that it's not relevant if he understand the difference.\n\nIt's the equivalent of saying \"we didn't come from monkeys\". Yes, you're correct but you're saying it because you don't actually understand it. If Dave knew the difference between biology and psychology, then he wouldn't keep bring up the irrelevant part.", "What definition for marginalized are you going for? \nGoogle provided this definition: \nadjective \n(of a person, group, or concept) treated as insignificant or peripheral. \n\"members of marginalized cultural groups\" \n\n\nSo, this whole joke (that was not hateful) about transgender people is the top social story of the moment. All the mainstream media outlets are rushing to the defense of transgender people. Apparently, they are a group that nobody is permitted to make fun of and apparently many feel Netflix must now punish Dave Chapelle for daring to make a joke at their expense. \n\n\nSo.... how is that being treated as insignificant or peripheral? \n\n\nOr, was that just using the catchy lefty lingo without really thinking about the definitions of words? I mean, I get it. People misuse words a lot these days. I mean, literally ANYTHING can be called racist anymore.", "The background organ that goes with this line in particular is perfection", "Because it's not about sPOrTS!\n\nAn out trans person faces a greater than 50-50 chance of being beaten for being trans, will get harassed, will get ridiculed, will face job discrimination, will face relationship issues, risks losing their entire family and support syructure for coming out, may not know a single person in the same situation, has to deal with halfvthe country actively targetingbtheir EXISTENCE as a political weapon, and is very likely to contemplate suicide because their lives are that. Much. Harder. \n\nBut they still are out. \n\nThe fact that you're so concerned about sports shows just how out of touch you are with the real struggle.", "IDK, I think it's strange to instigate an argument, have all of your arguments debunked and then proceed to call the other guy a weirdo.", "I do feel really bad for what happened to him. However he’s the only one holding himself back at this point. He’s even had his own special come out since that but everyone went after not only the girl who can’t tell the difference between bad sex and non consensual, but I think they even went after the lady who reported it. No one else came out against him, it is safe to say he hasn’t been black listed and if he were to say become a writer for a show or even get back to acting no one would even talk about boycotting him. If you google him with the MeToo movement it’s nothing but article after article from mainstream media talking about how Aziz story specifically hindered the movement, the same of which rightfully got Weinstein. Yeah, he was sucked up in it for a hot second but again once all facts came out nothing happened to him which is exactly how it should have. \nhttps://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/ashleigh-banfield-escalates-feud-reporter-aziz-ansari-story-1075401/\n\n\nEdit: and as for the other people you named not only have I never heard of them, but how did social media come together to cancel them? I’ll need sources for… only other person who’s life was ruined by cancel culture. These bodies are starting to add up quickly", "Nah", "I didn't say Texas passed a bigoted law because of Chappelle. But I personally know people and family who are rallying behind this anti-trans rhetoric and see Dave as a martyr. This lends popular support to laws like Texas'.\n\nHow do I know bigots are rallying behind Dave? Because my Facebook feed is covered in this shit. My right wing cousins (all of whom I know are homophobic and transphobic) are now sharing their bigotry in public with each other like it is their opinion on the weekends football game. These comments all are now coming under pictures of Dave Chapelle with a hand-picked quote from his special in the picture.\n\nIs that what Dave wants? Almost certainly not, but I also find it incredibly hard to believe he couldn't see this coming when he scripted his special. He doesn't care. Empowering transphobes isn't his goal, it's collateral damage of whatever he is trying to accomplish. That still does not make it acceptable.\n\nEdit: And no trans person on the planet will watch that special and think \"I'm so glad Dave said those things because now people will have a better understanding.\" They will think \"Holy shit I just got attacked by the biggest comedian of this century and now the bigots are going to come out of the woodwork to attack me because they will think this is ok.\"", "Why skate around such an easy question. Just admit it cost you nothing and you’re just a bigot.", "Yeah but that's because I talk slow because I did too many pills.", "I don’t use Twitter so I can’t say one way or the other. But seeing how much people hate Chappell over this special and seeing people get their panties twisted over less, I’m pretty inclined to call bullshit that not a single person commented on her standing up with him. It only takes one to have an effect ontop of what they were going through.", ">I dont think he was lying o telling lies to his audience, he really doesnt know what pushed her to do it.\n\nWell wether he wanted to or not (He 100% wanted to), all his piece of shit transphobic fans are all over the internet saying that disproven bullshit is a fact. That's textbook transphobic propaganda.", "Yes. It does.", "I suspect they'd be team TERF to be honest, as am I and as much of the public would be if they knew what was at stake here, trans people included.\n\nHopefully the more this gets talked about the more people will see the blatant dishonesty that is being used to mis-characterise common opinion as hate.", "Proof is in the pudding. They have largely cancelled Chappelle's upcoming documentary at the upcoming film fests and Netflix employees have strongly pressured the company and will likely gain pro-trans concessions.", "\n\n>The fact that you're so concerned about sports shows just how out of touch you are with the real struggle.\n\nYet here you are, so concerned that trans people aren't allowed to dominate women.", "It costs the same as it would cost you to disingenuously tell me I'm 6'10\" for the rest of my life just because I really really want you to.\n\nAnd thank you for that last word. You're so wise and good.", "Yep, it was hardly offensive. Esp the beyond meat joke.", "Care to explain the 2016 election?I know we all just want to forget but maybe if I grab you by the pussy it'll jar your memory.", "Idk Bill Burr is one of my favorite comedians but he'll be one of the first to tell you that he's an idiot. He's certainly a really clever and witty guy but he's not like working in a research lab or teaching physics in his spare time.", ">I’m sure you can provide me with an example of Carlin doing so.\n\nWhen he talked about how the earth might like plastic, and how if humans died it wouldn't matter to the earth. He was pretty much punching down at all climate activists.", "Yeah, you gotta watch the special to understand what he was saying instead of just reading headlines.", "Most just want proportional representation. He's been in no way canceled and won't be hindered in any way whatsoever in his ability to perform. The lunatics are the ones that want to normalize hate for no other reason than it makes them uncomfortable and they weren't raised to deal with their emotions.", "Has nothing to do with listening. It's subtle shit. It's a lack of context and ignoring it. Not a single trans person is gonna argue that having a dick means they have a vagina. They're gonna argue it's irrelevant to their gender.\n\nBut Chappelle and you keep bringing it up, because you want to subtly bring forth and argument you perceive to make the issue more confusing for gender.\n\nIf I say, \"we didn't evolve from monkeys\" are you gonna just say, \"yep that's true\"? Or are you going to argue that it's without context and the issue is that \"monkey's aren't part of the discussion\".\n\nYou know damn well when a person says that about monkeys, what they mean. That evolution isn't a thing. The same as I know when you argue biologically they're not that sex, you're trying to undermine what gender they identify as.", "Excellent news my friend. \n\nI shall do 4 jumping jacks in celebration.", "He said it in a leaning manner that let everyone read into it that way. \"Now I'm not saying that I'm going to break your legs if you dont pay me back, but it wouldn't help your situation\"", "Caitlin Jenner is easily the dumbest thing he can keep name dropping. Pretty sure the LGBT crowd doesn't care for her either, yet he kept bringing her up like LGBT people should be ashamed.", ">That KKK equivalency is a Grand Canyon-sized logical leap.\n\nIts literally the same issue. The problem is called biological essentialism. Race is an arbitrary sociological distinction the same way gender is. The issue is belief that these are absolute categories. \n\nThis is called \"othering\" and we dont do it to be nice, we do it to believe the people we're othering are less like us through some mythologized caricature. \n\nThe issue isnt \"mixing\" lgbt issues, theyre supposed to be in solidarity. These issues are not separate. Theyve all been hatecrimed for years by the same white heteronormative culture, calling transwomen mentally ill and \"not women.\" And people wonder why theyre sensitive? Its trauma. \n\nThe philosophical underpinning of this ideology went out of style years ago. This is second wave feminism. This revival is a revival without theory, its just Dave and Rowlings shitty intuitions about a complex subject which theyve never cared to inform themselves about in order to have an opinion. All they have are their prejudices.", "I get it, you’re only interested in how you think Carlin would react to this situation. You’re not trying to discuss the legality of it nor what free speech means. My bad for trying to goad you into a discussion about that. \n\nI really do think Carlin would say “play stupid games, win stupid prizes” but your 40 years of Carlin adoration and superiority complex probably has a point.", "Yeah, you guys got angry and missed the entire point of that little bit and are running with the headlines. I get it, this part of the bit bothered you.", "I like people so in need of attention that they want you to know they downvoted you. Fuck off.", "Yeah the walking away thing gave him a huge messiah complex", "I don’t think anyone outside of Reddit or Twitter gives the slightest shit.", "I mean, yes. People have, I've asked anyone to do the same. And viola, it's not there.", "““It wasn’t the jokes. I don’t know if it was them dragging her. I don’t know what was going on in her life, but I bet dragging her didn’t help. I was very angry at them. I was very angry at her.” \n\nWhere? Everyone read into that way? Nah.", "Blah blah blah. Dungeons and dragons. Heavy Metal. Catcher in the Rye. Satanic panic. 2 lewd crew. The Dixie Chicks. This has been happening for my entire life and before. It's the left doing the same stupid shit this time and now it's the end of the world. I don't agree with it, I think it's moronic, but I'm not gonna lose my shit and pretend that it's the end of western civilization or some shit.", "LMAO! Even if I grant you that gender is mere social construct. Okay fine. You can have that one for free. \n\n\nThe genetics don't care about your social construct notions. The genetics are STILL there. They still make genetic men stronger than genetic women in the overwhelming majority of cases. \n\n\nYou and I both KNOW that is the criteria considered when sports are divided for men and women. Sports are not talking about social construct versions of gender. They are talking about the scientific kind... the genetic kind. The kind that is relevant for sport competition. \n\n\nOtherwise we'd have no male/female divisions at all. But we do, and with good reason. \n\n\nYou can't be serious though. Are you really that deluded?", "he claimed she was bullied on social media for defending him despite her public post having only positive comments. I'm sure she could've mentioned some backlash in an offhand comment to him, but intentionally centering that while talking about her suicide to millions of people to build this narrative is insanely disingenuous.", "> The only reason TERFs draw the exclusionary line they do is because of bigotry. \n \nThis is false. Many TERFs want separation of feminist and trans issues only because they are qualitatively different questions. For example, the question \"should women have equal rights\" is significantly different than \"should trans women get to use the woman's bathroom\". They aren't even in the same realm. \n \nChappelle addressed this in his special with the example of the black woman that wasn't allowed to bring racial issues up at the feminist rallies.", "Imagine if the military had a smaller budget, what would happen?\n\nMaybe we forego invading middle east countries to install puppet governments? Maybe we don't use our massive intelligence infrastructure and drone programs to do things like murder an international relief worker and his kids?\n\nNope, the people with the guns get the blank checks.", "They can believe it. They've just lied to themselves.", "Imagine being in so much denial that you can't imagine a person almost literally saying \"I am a transphobe\" and then saying \"men in dresses are a joke\" may have anything to do with each other.\n\nThese transphobes are insane.", "Are you moving the goal post?", "Exactly. Those people also probably didn't feel as threatened by Dice. I'll let you guess why.", "I have close personal friends that I disagree with and are significantly different from. What’s your point?", "I am whatever you say I am,\n\ncuz if I wasn't, \n\nthen why would I say I am?", "My biggest issue is his entire last couple specials have been about trans people. Like there are jokes to tell there, sure... but when you dedicate multiple specials to it then it starts to sound mean. Like come up with a different topic. We have been in a pandemic for a couple years now there is plenty to choose from. \n\nI have no stake in the trans community and even I felt it to be in poor taste. Then he closes with a \"heartbreaking story\" about a trans friend he had who died. It was the stand up special version of \"I have black friends so I can't be racist.\" Like yikes dude. Nobody is laughing at a show about how you claim to be a victim for 60 minutes when your main gag is victimizing people.", "Lmao. You'd \"have to be afraid of trans people\"\n\nDoes anyone actually believe this bullshit? Years and years of saying that shit about gay people when the problem was never \"being afraid\", do we gotta pretend it's different for trans people now?\n\nCan we please stop lying?", "South Park treats everone equally, which is what we are striving for as a society. However, certain groups want to believe they are off limits and can't be made fun of? No, that's not equality.", "People being dumb, people being selfish animals, the big guys squashing the little guys, and the poor being unable to group up to do anything about it are tales as old as time. As are a lot of his general themes of having no time/patience for people who make noise about things that don't matter or affect them. All timeless concepts!", "No, Aziz just wasn’t canceled nor was his life ruined.", "But it really fucking is a simple question of objective fact. If someone says, I'm a woman, refer to me as such then you do it. Doesn't matter what they are born with, they are a woman.\n\nTrans people have existed for as long as humans have. We know they were present in every ancient culture (Egypt, Mesopotamia, China to name a few), and sadly almost all of those cultures were more accepting than our society today. Trans people got fucked the same as gay people once the Abrahamic religions became the dominant Western religion. The West went super hard on the racism/homophobia/misogyny and then exported that everywhere. Ironically, pretty much all of the homophobia that exists in Africa and Asia today was exported from the West. Even Islam was fine with gay people in the beginning.\n\nOnce you know the history you see how ridiculous our current conversations are. Trans people, like gay people, have been a part of humanity since the first people migrated from Africa across the globe. They deserve all the rights and recognition their cis-gendered peers enjoy.\n\nEdit: The only cultural dialogue we should be having is how to address transphobia. That's it.", "That's not it at all. \n\nHe has said repeatedly that he left Chappelle's Show because he didn't like how \"success\" made him feel and that Comedy Central passed him off by using old sketches to make a third season to cash in.\n\nTake your weird hatred of other people and apply it where it is actually true and not to make a hack point.", "And like, sure, your friend sucks, but he doesn't have fans. He doesn't have a show or social media followed by millions. When you have something like that, and go spouting your Half Baked opinions on something that made your tummy feel yucky, you end up with millions of people who think \"yeah that makes my tummy feel yucky too!\" or \"I didn't think about it and I don't care enough to look it up, but that quip seems logical\" and then take that validation into the voting booth, or take it out on whatever trans person they finally do meet in person. I can't stand the people pretending like celebrities opinions don't affect anything.", "Stop being retarded. You claim Dave doesn't know the difference between biology and psychology, except he clearly does because he says trans women aren't biologically female. \n\nYou work for fox news or something with all that misinformation you're spreading.", "I hope one day we may see the unadulterated version of the movie. As good as it already is, it's apparent that it's missing stuff.", "Yes, but many of his new supporters and fans don't.", "You brought up sports. 🤷‍♂️", "Team Terf is a joke?\n\nLooking for Adam's apples is a joke?\n\nYour father was a great woman is a joke? I mean clearly it is intended as a joke, but it's also how his transphobic brain deals with with a discrepency that he cannot put together or understand. And also.. Is him saying that wrong? Is it transphobic? If the sperm donor that impregnated your mother identified as trans after you were conceived, what do you call them?\n\nImpossible burger is a joke. I found that funny. Is that offensive to Trans people? Please explain.", "You're just reiterating the point being made. Should the Colbert Report be excused knowing some number of Republicans were unironically cheering on the character making fun of them?", "Kek and youre the attention seeker that just virtue signals. Are you the white people Dave hated so much, or did you leave that out?", ">I think we both have good points. \n\nYou don't.", "That's precisely it. No worries! Glad I could help explain.", "That shit is just unexplainable. I'm sure that in the future, many an academic will study the Trump phenomenon. I know it's definitely opened my eyes to how ignorant, hateful, and easily controlled a lot of people are.", "> This comment proves you didn't watch the special\n\nYeah, because it didn't seem funny so I wasn't interested. Nothing I said was dependent on my having seen it\n\n> For example, the question \"Do women deserve equal pay\" is substantially different than \"can trans women use the women's bathroom\"\n\nWell sure, if you pretend like I was saying something not even close to what I was saying then my comment would be dumb. Those are separate issues, but \"women make less money\" and \"trans women make even less money\" are the same issue, or at least one is a subset of the other. So if a feminist activist is pushing to close the pay gap for everyone except trans women then that's clearly them being anti-trans\n\n> Further, my trans friends\n\nHow can you write that phrase and then not immediately stop and reconsider what you're saying. \"I have an X friend\" is the joke phrase people say when they're pretending to be hopelessly out of touch\n\n> But, if women win equality, then trans women win acceptance as women, they default into all those same right without having to win them all over\n\nThat makes sense until you consider the fact that terfs explicitly advocate for women on the condition that trans people DON'T get the same rights and never will. Like, they'll advocate for women's shelters but they also fight tooth and nail against the idea of ever allowing a trans woman inside. It's possible to advocate for trans issues and womens issues at the same time, terfs by definition do not do that. They will help women win equality and then turn around and be the most ardent opponents to trans women winning acceptance as women. \n\n> In that sense, my trans friends are literally TERFs.\n\nI'd love to see their response if you tell them that to their face.", "If youre going to provide context you should probably provide the full context. And omitting major reasons behind her death because \"you dont know\" when you can contact the family at any time is disingenuous at best outright malicious at worst. \n\nAnd yes, that is absolutely how the majority of the people viewed the message of the special", "True gamer moment", "Yeah definitely, but I think part of his genius was knowing that you gotta throw in those little \"laugh per minute\" sections. I remember all his crazy bits throughout the years that were literally him saying \"here's a list of things you never see\" or \"here's are some people I could do without\", stuff like that. Just the most rapid fire, goofy shit. I think it really helped his stuff not get too preachy, and I think a lot of \"clapter\" type comedians would be well served by throwing in a couple minutes of that stuff. But yeah, Carlin is number one in my book", "The \"shared experiences\" line is so arbitrary though. The experiences of black women in America are RADICALLY different than those of white women, but they still rally under the same cause of feminism because both groups are women. Trans women have every right to be included in the feminist community because they are women. It's really that simple.", "One of his jokes in the special was about how Twitter isn’t a real place. Idk why you think Dave is responsible for all the horrific shit that his supporters do online. \n\nI’m willing to bet that a majority of the shit-stirrers either didn’t watch or didn’t understand the special the same way some of the most outraged people from the trans community didn’t. That hate doesn’t make it out of the internet. That’s why he mentions that all the trans people he has met in person are nothing but supportive and understanding. Take the people and put them face to face and the humanity tends to shine.", "Oh shit, you right.", "Not really, it's just pretty weak to end on that note after making offensive comments for an hour including calling himself a terf. That isn't nuance anymore than saying \"I'm not racist buuuuuut...\"", "The difference lies in biological sex vs. gender, which are distinct. Nobody thinks that men can will themselves into having ovaries.", "You're half right. They're feminists who believe women's issues and trans issues differ. That's it. The hate component is false.", "The dude nose dived pretty spectacularly though, I was a bit young for Dice but his staying power was no where any of the other big 80s comics. \n\nLike just look at some of his peers that were ridiculously successful: Roseanne, Sam Kinison, Bill Hicks, Robin Williams, Eddie Murphy, Ellen Degeneres, Rodney Dangerfield, George Carlin and Jerry Seinfeld all come to mind. Only ones I kind of hesitated on was Kinison and Hicks because they died early.", "For you it is...hence nuance.", "Getting pretty bent out of shape there over a reddit comment, take your meds", "Mrs doubtfire wasn't a trans movie", "There is no logical link between your first and second sentence. Why must you admit that feminism is sometimes bigoted towards men in order to recognize the bigotry of a subgroup of feminists towards people who are not men? One must not precede the other. Even if you believe they are still men, they nevertheless belong to a specific group with specific identities and experiences.", "Lewis I think strikes a better balance between humor and outrage. I love Hicks, but he is leaning way hard into the anger side.", "Yeah, yeah, yeah. [Have a coke and a smile and shut the fuck up :)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r12JlwSBvVQ)", "He literally says he doesn’t know. He’s not omitting shit. Idk if you know anybody that’s ever committed suicide, but the family isn’t really keen on why that person decided to end their life. And there is no point in speculating. That’s why it was best for him to say he doesn’t know. What did you really expect?", "How am I heated? I'm just giving actual facts. \n\nYou cannot be punching down when attacking Christianity. It has been one of the powerful entities, if not the most powerful one in the world for over a thousand years now. A comedy show audience doesn't change that.\n\n>And I expect that number will continue to fall.\n\nMaybe in the States. But in many other countries this isn't the case. Even in the States, go in the South and Christianity is still incredibly dominant.", "No because the point is \"lets punch down on this socially disadvantaged group! Haha! Isnt it fun how inferior that weaker group is?\" is not excused by calling it a character. \n\nBeing republican (or democrat, for that matter) isnt a disadvantaged group. You arent punching down.", "I kept imagining Mel Brooks sitting in his living room going, “Wtf? I made Space Jews in the 80’s!”\n\nhttps://youtu.be/ZAZhtT-dUyo", "... the purpose of the question was to prompt this person to not brush it off, and indeed to explicitly consider this point. Cis men (like myself) can and absolutely should think about the answer to this question before dismissing it as trivial for people with other identities.", "I would ask Chapelle in what way having a \"trans women's bathroom\" and a \"women's bathroom\" is different from having a \"colored people's bathroom\" and a \"white's bathroom.\" \n\nThe vast VAST majority of feminists today support intersectionality, and being inclusive of ALL women, black or trans. TERF feminism is the sort that doesn't include anyone who isn't cis and white. It's old school, and it's outdated as fuck.", "That all depends on the 'joke' that's being told", "Idk what to say, there are Trans people openly defending Chapelle. If you don't want to empower transphobes, then don't give them fuel for their pyres. Canceling David Chappelle for tame jokes its just giving crazy bigots who are gonna be crazy bigots till the end of time what they want. Thats just my opinion though, take it with a grain of salt.", ">I do feel really bad for what happened to him. \n\nWhat happened to him? Just an attempted canceling?", "It's like how in the late 90s and early aughts we had the gross out phase in comedy for like 10 years. People were being gross just be gross. People like Tom Green, the guys from Jackass and the Farrely Brothers were ridiculously popular. \n\nThey are talented people but a lot of the humor was just grossness. It still kind of exists but doesn't really seem to be as \"in\" right now.", "Dawg, he literally says in the special that he doesn’t claim that the online harassment was the sole reason, but it definitely didn’t help. Everyone who is mad at him still hasn’t fully listened to his words. Which proves his point. It’s a self fulfilling prediction that makes his special 10x funnier to me.", "OK. That wasn't the point you made in response to the OP.", "Maybe 30 mins of the special was trans related and he doesn’t talk about being hated by the trans community for any more than a third of it. It’s just what the talking heads gravitated toward. My man had an pretty sexist joke and nobody batted an eye. lol", "Alec's a bad example. Yeah it fucking sucks he killed himself, no one should be driven to that, but Scott Benson, the dude he worked with for six years making NitW, [wrote a huge fucking article about how shitty Alec was to him and other people around him](https://medium.com/@bombsfall/alec-2618dc1e23e).", "You’re a sad person.", "Where do you get that they do not want to be seen as different? The question was about what one does want to be seen as. Presumably you want to be seen by others that are different from you both as a man and as different from them. The two are not mutually exclusive.", "I coulda sworn he was talking about Steven Wright.", ">What Constitutional rights have they been denied?\n\nNothing like proving the point of the controversy, it really didn't take you long to just go full mask off.", "He knows how to craft a standup routine that caters to self proclaimed woke people and he's laughing all the way to the bank.", "You do realize Carlin did not say this about Chappelle, right? This was about Andrew 'Dice' Clay, who was a generally horrible comic. In the context of their specials, this doesn't apply at all to Chappelle's. OP is either ignorant or karma farming.", "Exactly!", "eyeroll", "Like the context of multiple Netflix specials where he repeatedly rants about LGBTQ people and how he is the real victim? Seems like the context is pretty clear that he is not joking when he says he is a TERF.", "No, the quote you were answering to, about the whole idea of trans women having different experiences from women due to growing up as men in (from radfem pov) patriarchal society.\n\nEdit: let me rephrase. Your comment to that guy with your opinion on what TERF is was quoting a part, where he described the line of thought that already directly explains one of the reasons why they hold the set of beliefs that you described. So saying \"that's not what terf means\" on that is kinda ridiculous.", "Most people complaining didn't even watch his special", "To certain degree, yes. It's called culture. It's how society dictates to us how to get along and learn to not behave like dickheads. Or at least some of us do...those that don't, usually end up jail, bad credit, dead end jobs, strung out in substances or video games or some drama filled shitty life.\n\nDominant culture dictates a lot of shit.", "> Now it's the liberal side going ham with it.\n\nIs it though? Modern conservatives get just as pissy about speech they don't like as liberals do. Just look at the aneurysms they have over saying \"happy holidays\" like you're attacking them personally somehow.", ">According to his sister, who posted to Twitter about his death, Holowka had been \"battling mood and personality disorders\" through his life and \"was a victim of abuse\". She explained he had been trying to correct his own disorders in recent years through therapy and medication. She also stated that Holowka \"said he wished the best for Zoë and everyone else\"", "The shit was funny if you choose not to be a lame about it. lmao Plenty of people loved it and don’t give a fuck what the topic of the jokes are as long as they’re funny and genuine. It’s like asking a music artist to “go back to making music like _____ album!” You’re expecting too damn much", "Yes it does\n\n>It's a lack of context and ignoring it.\n\nTHE IRONY\n\n>it's irrelevant to their gender.\n\nOh it very much is when it comes to medicine, reproduction and athletics.\n\n>want to subtly bring forth and argument you perceive to make the issue more confusing for gender.\n\nWho the fuck is being subtle? We are talking blatantly that trans issues are complicated. It's being honest. Trans people do not magically fully change every aspect of their body that their sex has established. \n\nYou are pulling the worst analogies and explanations. Evolving from monkeys is not a matter of context, it's proven science. Just like someone's sex is. Monkeys aren't part of the discussion, what the fuck are you talking about?\n\nYou can accept someone's gender but still be aware that their body is for a fact different.", "LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL", "No one is claiming that transwomen are biologically the same as cis women. Just that they should have the same rights.\n\nWould you consider an infertile cis women 'not a woman'? \n\nWould you consider a woman who has had a hysterectomy 'not a woman'? \n\nWhat about a woman who has chosen not to have children. Is there any different between not having a uterus/womb and not using it (to anyone besides themselves/their doctor). Are they 'not a woman'? \n\nIf you answered no for those statements then you should reconsider how you define what a woman is. If you answered yes then yikes.", "but I bet you have much more in common with very close friends than you disagree with. this guy above has shown a fundamental misunderstanding of both Carlin and Jillette with one statement. Penn had a brief libertarian phase and has been rapidly retreating from that since Trump. But he has a very open sense of what should be allowed. Very much like Carlin. BOTH have been\nchampions of not just free speech, but anti censorship for their entire careers.", "That just sounds like personal experience you agree with.", "I wasn't asking you", "Why would Trump make people retreat from libertarianism? Trump is… one of the furtherest things from a libertarian. \n\nHuh. \n\nNot trying to derail this discussion, I just assumed that the libertarian and republican parties would grow further apart, not closer together.", "Ok, so people should only use the bathrooms of their biological sex. Got it.\n\n[So this person should use the women's restroom, right](https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2015/04/19/dsc_0636_slide-12de188956ce20fc73e56c1903f3c59e597b5818.jpg)? Female by birth, has a vagina.\n\nAnd if your answer to that is \"no\", then what you're really saying is that \"only people who look like women should use the women's restroom\", in which case you're just defining what it means to look like a woman. And again, we're back to the homophobic argument against butch lesbians using women's bathrooms from the 90s. And now you're just policing what women should look like again.", "I see. I don't think Chappelle would agree with that. He definitely recognizes how hard trans people have it. It seemed to me that he regarded trans/blacks on equal footing, both engaged in a struggle for equality and fairness. But, yeah, the logic holds that Carlin's statements don't really apply here. Carlin was talking about Andrew Dice Clay, who's comedy was pretty horrible.", "There are a lot more trans people condemning the special, to the point where I haven't seen one trans person supporting Chappelle it in-person or on the internet. I've seen many many dozens perhaps hundreds saying something against him though.\n\nThere were black people who supported Jim Crow, there were Irish people who supported the English, and there were Native Americans who supported the colonizers. I'm not saying what trans people are facing today is equivalent to what these groups faced, I'm just trying to point out that within oppressed groups there will always be individuals that side with the oppressors, regardless of the degree of oppression.", "And my point was... Good fucking luck. It's an alien concept and as much as we can pretend to empathize, at the end of the day we have no clue what that experience is like and how it impacts our reality. Dave Chappelle's take may be inflammatory and predicated on largely incorrect assumptions, but his friend Daphne supposedly got it right; That we don't have to understand, just accept that what they go through is just as real and valid a human experience as what we go through.", "it’s a quote from the special, relevant to the video in this post.", "Literally my point. I said context matters. The context of what Chapelle is saying is being lost.", "I responded with another thread in mind that cluttered my comment. :/", "Yeah I can see how your ancestors thought they were so great that they should rule half the globe.", "The point I made in the op was that it wasnt a minority group getting picked on and ignored. \n\nThe republicans werent oppressed or ostracized by the show. So much so that they thought it was their own team. \n\nThey mistook the mockery for alliance, not had the mockery used to belittle them or encourage their disparity.\n\nTrans people dont think chappelle is secretly saying that he is in the closet about being trans.", "you need to listen to about 200 episodes of Penn’s Sunday School to follow the path on his retreat from it. He still is one, but no where near as hardcore. Then COVID accelerated his retreat.\n\nMostly, he suddenly found himself agreeing with the greater good argument and that sometimes one needs to make compromises and maybe some things shouldn’t have a profit motive, etc.\n\nPenn REALLY hates Trump. Probably more than any other single individual does. He hates him personally and truly after the apprentice and Trump’s general presence.\n\nEdit: When Penn suddenly had a lot in common with the left in a common enemy, and his close friendship with Lawrence O’Donnell through out Trump’s rise… Libertarianism took a back seat to saving America.", "Because you want me to call you a woman and I won't, right? That's the criteria?", "Yeah the family was like \"SHE JUMPED OFF A BUILDING! DIVED RIGHT OFF HEAD FIRST! PLEASE TELL THE WORLD HOW OUR DAUGHTER KILLER HERSELF!!!!!\" \"oh you want to know that she was going through a tough time and that it wasn't because of your last special... thats kind of disrespectful dont you think?\"\n\nAnd I expect him not to use a person he barely knew committing suicide as a bludgeon against a marginalized community", ">Chappelle did an entire show about trans people and misgendered his dead friend, blamed the LGBT community, and called himself a TERF. Your comparison is so shit.\n\nWhat bullshit. His special wasn’t half about trans people. What he said was about his friend. I’m sure Dave knows Daphne better than you and getting offended on her behalf is the epitome of the ridiculousness going on. And he blamed the people harassing her, not the entire community. You’re twisting his words into stereotyping an entire community when he specially mentioned people doing exactly that.", "Cops have a long history of treating LGBT people pretty poorly, too.", "\"Mansplaining is when a man explains something to a woman that she may already know more about than him. For example, the term 'gaslamping' is from the 1944 film, 'The Gaslamp' and is when someone is trying to make another question their own perceptions and memories...\"", "I mean, past a certain point I definitely think I have a right to not be treated a certain way just because of this. Like, I can't force people to like me, and if me being trans is the reason they don't like me then that's messed up but I still can't do anything about that. But if how they're acting crosses over into abuse then I do think that it pretty reasonable for me to request that they not do that.\n\nAnd the same goes both ways. They have just as much say in how I act based on how that act based on how they see me. If they constantly misgender me then I'm free to be upset by that, but if I start yelling at them because of it then they're well within their rights to ask me to stop", "You've made a barrage of assumptions that nobody's allowed to disagree with in any way or else they're a heckin' nazi bigot. Congratulations, I completely agree that the nazi bigots have been defeated.", "Correct. Many agree it probably contributed, which was confirmed to some degree by the statement from Daphne's family. They said she had PTSD, lost her job, lost custody of her kid, and was often bullied. Daphne discussed the PTSD and bullying in her comedy. The job and kid stuff was private.", "No. He got cancelled by the woke left because they didn't like him making fun of gays. /s", ">Oh it very much is when it comes to medicine, reproduction and athletics.\n\nWhat? First off I agree with you about sports. The fuck is reproduction and medicine have to do with it?\n\n>THE IRONY\n\nCan you provide me with the oh so nuanced takes I'm missing?\n\n>We are talking blatantly that trans issues are complicated. It's being honest. Trans people do not magically fully change every aspect of their body that their sex has established.\n\nWhat I'm asking is why you care?\n\n>You can accept someone's gender but still be aware that their body is for a fact different.\n\nAgain, why would you broach the topic when trans aren't asking you to pretend they weren't born without dicks or vaginas, just asking you to except their identity?\n\nThat's why it's very weird. Why you and Dave want to address it. Dave in particular has said shit about his unwillingness to not recognize genders because of their sexual organs. That's why people are mad and why it's clear he can't or won't separate the two.", "I've had this comment 100 times. You can imply shit without outright saying it.", "You're a dirty little fascist.", "He doesn't want to exclude transgender women from any female only spaces or even anything else and never said anything to that effect either. He literally only commented on whether \"sex\" is real. \n\nImagine wasting so much time commenting on something you haven't even watched", "Cope", "I'm not virtue signaling. I know I can't change your minds. Just waiting for you all to die off.", "Huh interesting! \n\nI was a pretty hardcore libertarian myself and then realized that the non aggression principle goes hand in hand with the greater good argument. \n\nI might have to follow some of Penn’s journey. Thanks for the info.\n\nEdit: I’m in bed sick with covid rn, it’s taxing to write a coherent message", "You're saying that, but you're not showing that.", "Add the Dixie Chicks to the list.\n\nThese seem to all have something in common so far.", "See, here's what I don't get... Do people really lack the empathy to understand that people with 5th grade english comprehension deserve to understand their healthcare? People are born into shitty circumstances and America does very little to help them.", "Yeah but, I think my point is that to accept that it's real and valid requires first at least considering that it could and does exist.\n\nEDIT: And also that it's fucking shitty to make excuses for people who refuse to do the bare minimum of considering the humanity of others. It's really actually incredibly easy to do with the tiniest bit of practice.", "cheers!", "We can muddy the waters about the definitions gender and sex as much as you like as though that makes the claim less mystical. We're still talking about, in some definite way, overriding your biology because of how you feel and asking me to also say that I believe it has been overridden by those feelings.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEdit - I don't know what point you're trying to make about DNA. Just because I might not be able to tell what genitalia someone has doesn't mean a man can be born in a woman's body in any meaningful sense different other than what we usually call belief. I'm contesting the theory, not whether or not it's possible for someone to pass.", "I’m not “only seeing it now”. I agree with you, we should tell them to stfu. It’s not gonna happen overnight though… we can’t control the mouths of the hateful so yes unfortunately our next best option is to learn to live with it as it is a reality and continue pushing for acceptance.", "FYI, Teller went on the journey as well. Just less vocally… ( couldn’t help myself )", "How is this fascism? \n\nLmao is it fascist for me to decide to sell scones vs muffins?", "Team TERF was a joke? He said it as he explained why JK Rowling did nothing wrong. Like explain to me first how \"I'm team TERF\" is a joke.\n\nCan I ask if you take away anything from Dave's special beyond laughing? Do you find him inciteful?\n\n>Impossible burger is a joke. I found that funny. Is that offensive to Trans people? Please explain.\n\nI'll explain it like this. Imagine a biological issue prevented you from feeling like the gender you identify too. Imagine someone puts it as a joke but clearly is insulating it. Imagine that particularly comedy can influence how people think and feel about real world topics.\n\nWhat's so funny about this is Chappelle literally quit his show because he saw this in white people.", "Ooh, thanks for that. Makes a lot more sense now!", ">except he clearly does because he says trans women aren't biologically female.\n\nBud, you're missing the point. I'll just ask questions.\n\nWhat is relevant to gender identity when it comes to biology?\n\nWhy would Dave bring up biology and not gender indendity so much?", "I understand what TERFs generally believe and why. But you can call TERFs bigots without having to admit that feminists in general are bigots, because trans women are part of a specific group to which cis men do not belong. They are separate conversations entirely, even if the type of discrimination in either could be argued to be similar (although I disagree that it is). You're making a bizarre logical leap, basically.", "He’s a legit philosopher too.", "hi i'm trans and though i don't care for your arguments resorting to stuff like - \"well what if i wanted to marry my dog are we going to allow that now?!\" i'm going to comment regardless because we need more dialog and less blind hate. what i wrote is also a bit reductive, as intersex people exist and gender identity is a complex topic, but i want to keep this simple so please bear with me.\n\nfor most people, sex, gender identity, and presentation fully align. people born as men feel like men inside and therefore dress like men. people born as women feel like women inside and therefore dress as women. it feels normal and natural to align presentation with identity, which aligns with sex. all is good.\n\nto be trans is to be born with the opposite gender identity to your sex. so born as man, feel like woman inside, or born as woman, feel like man inside. in both of these cases, the individuals involved wish only to be treated as they feel inside (their gender identity). \n\nhowever, you don't ever get to see someone else's heart/mind, only their body and presentation, so trans people who present as their birth sex will obviously be misgendered by everyone they meet. how would anyone know better? when you meet someone, you don't pull down their pants or scan for ovaries to check whether to say he or she. you read their gender identity from their presentation and appearance. \n\ntrans people commonly change their presentation and sometimes their body to be perceived and treated as their gender identity by society. trans people don't owe anyone this, but it is very common. if i dressed as a man and acted like a man and looked like a man, i certainly would not be offended by strangers calling me male/he. friends would definitely make more mistakes if i asked for \"she\" randomly out of nowhere while still acting and looking male, which i would understand and not take offense to personally. \n\nmany trans people additionally want to change their body and presentation because it feels affirming internally, and/or because they have issues living in a body that doesn't look like they are inside. this is called gender dysphoria and can be anywhere from mild to extreme and present in many different ways clinically. depression and low self esteem are common, as is fear of being seen in public. you can see how that would be debilitating on top of the high cost of treatments that generally are not covered by healthcare plans. the treatments are generally surgeries, hormones, vocal therapy, laser hair removal, etc.\n\nso the reasons for gender affirming therapies (hormones, surgeries, etc) and changes in presentation (clothing, hair, posture, voice) are twofold: to align the mind and body, and to ensure society perceives you and treats you as your gender. \n\nin exchange for this comment i'd like to ask you to go sort /r/trans by top all time and tell me whether you think you would have trouble calling those men and women by their requested genders. would you be surprised to see girls like that with dresses and skirts in the mens room? men like that with beards in the ladies room? because that's what a lot of people want to be the case, and honestly its ridiculous. \n\nduring my transition, i was literally kicked out of the mens restroom by someone who wouldn't believe i was born male. i was trying to do everyone a favor by waiting until hormones changed my features to change restrooms, and even before i felt like i looked female i already could no longer pass as male. and you're out here saying you gotta call me he when you wouldn't even know if we met. \n\nwe're just trying to live man... and this shit is expensive... and it hurts! ive had tattoos and broken bones, but laser hair removal on my lip hurt like a bitch compared to that. plus you have to go back monthly for like a year, and spend thousands. \nthe burnt popcorn smell of laser hair removal also haunts me... \n\nwe're really not asking a lot from you. don't hurt us physically. don't take a national platform and use it to make fun of our genitals, or say we deserve less rights. cool? cool. \n\nalso - go see dune if you haven't it was sick. thanks for coming to my ted talk.", "That wasn't shock factor that was just giving the lowest common denominator what they wanted. Validation.", "I would add it's worse with Dave.\n\nHe has said before that h quite his show because black people were the butt of the joke to many people. So, for him to recognize the power of misconstrued satire toward black people and literally quite comedy for a decade because of it, then to turn around and see it for trans people and instead say \"don't be sensitive\" is just fucking gross.", "You’re agreeing with each other and you’re both wrong. Chappelle doesn’t recognize this at all. And the other guy’s notion that a black man is inherently punching up at a transgender person is asinine, especially since it makes the same fatal mistake Chappelle does with is deny the existence of non-white transgender people.", "Because you care so little about your fellow humans.", "His 'comedy' lately has been mostly social and political commentary. He does point out some things that when you really think about it is just absolutely silly, shit people are losing their minds, even lives over. So many thin-skinned people who give too much of a shit about what labels they are given or give themselves. But Dave's specials have a lot less of that just absolutely hilarious, borderline childish, comedy of the Chappelle's Show era.", "Been a bit, but from memory he makes a joke that aids is scary, and how it feels like the dangers of sex are escalating from inconvenience to death. I believe he comments on not knowing exactly what to be afraid of in terms of getting aids.. but that makes sense at the time. There was a lot of uncertainty, a lot of fear, and not a ton of well understood facts around transmission at that point.", ">As a cishet white man\n\nOnly a total weirdo would start a sentence this way.", "Jesus dude. You don't get to disregard TLDR just because you open with, \"I'm trans\". \n\n\nDo you expect me to respond to your entire lecture or the homework first?", "Then where's the proof? For someone so adamant on records surely you can produce something to back your claim since you did the deep dive: 1 link. Oh right, just need to die off like Daphne. Virtue signaling at its finest. \n\n\nEdit: Die off? A death threat? Huhhh", "You make it seem like he says controversial things when he is talking seriously, that isn’t the case. In fact he switches to a serious tone when he is clarifying his position. When he says something controversial he always signals that he’s joking. A smile, exaggerated emphasis, you can’t tell me that a reasonable person would deny it. \n\nThe argument coming from people criticizing him isn’t even about this, its about him saying things whether he’s intentionally joking or not. The outrage comes from what he is saying, not whether it is intended to be a joke or not. They are literally saying that him calling it a joke is not an excuse to say what he’s saying.\n\nAgain, trying to rationalize telling a Hitler joke about killing jews as somehow being ok while Dave’s jokes about trans women isn’t is about as ass-backwards as outrage can be.", "If people less powerful than you are criticizing you for making life harder for them, then you just have a fragile ego, not a bullying problem.", "Andre Dice Clay was never that great of a comedian, but the Adventures of Ford Fairlane was absolute gold because it was just straight comedy\n\nThe most offensive thing was Ton Loc beating the shit out of a guy that was harassing women.", "A person he barely knew? I’m gonna take a wild guess and say that you don’t know either of them, so idk why you’d say that. \n\nAnd right after the roof joke he says something like “Fuck you if you didn’t find that funny, because I know Daphne would.” I choose to believe him because he knew her directly.", "Comedy is the subversion of an expectation. The set up gets a person thinking ahead to a conclusion. Then the actual conclusion goes in another direction entirely. This is true of every form of comedy. Even observational comedy takes something mundane, twists the thought process to something unexpected, and gets the listener to change gears in their brain.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDelivery is relevant, don't get me wrong. But delivery is the garnish and the seasoning of the meal, the subversion is the substance. That's why dirty humor is so common - you're taking something that's not shocking and making it so. It's the easiest way to make a joke.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\"I understand why the Baltimore Ravens dropped Ray Rice, that was the saddest carry by a running back I've ever seen!\" Delivery would be the dramatic pause at the comma, the change in tone from sad to incredulous, etc. But what made the joke work (when the Ray Rice video was a relevant topic in the media) was that the listener expects that you're going to talk about the NFL taking a harder stance on violence by players. Instead, you go in another direction entirely, still connected to the original set up, but at a wildly different angle than the expectation.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThis is also why short jokes, one liners and the like can pull a quick chuckle, but jokes with longer setup tend to be funnier. Increasing the investment of the listener helps as does spending more time painting a scene so that the subversion feels even MORE off in left field.", "I distinctly remember my mom once told me it was 10. I looked at the clock and it was 9:20. Somehow, that was close enough for her to round up to 10.", "In the special he goes over bring jealous of the community and how that they’ve come. The special before that he discusses how he only makes fun of people/groups that he sees himself in. This is a very brief explanation.", "Conor McGregor lost a fight to Khabib, so I guess McGregor is not that good at fighting after all.", ">I want him doing comedy, not soap boxing\n\nI’m sure he doesn’t give a shit what you want. And if you don’t consider his latest material comedic, then that’s on you. Find a different comedian.", "I take it you haven't seen the special? Dave addresses this very point -- to punch down on someone, you have to put yourself above them. He doesn't do that. He punches lines, and he's a master of his craft.", "So you're telling me I'm 6'10\"?", "righto", "I can't believe you have to tell people this.", "ADC isn't funny, he's just the lead in for the modern day Steven Crowder fan type. \"Up in San Fran, you can't smoke in public, but you can fuck your boytoy up the ass while waiting for a bus! Oewww!\" (paraphrasing)\n\n \"I can't write good jokes, but lookit doze queefs!\"", "Dice acting like his character isn’t necessarily surprising to me after thinking/acting that way for an extended period. But in the interviews I’ve seen of him and in what I’ve read, I’ve formed an opinion that’s he’s not hateful of people because of their sexual orientation, genitals, race, or any of the items typically covered under the “woke” umbrella of today. \n\nA large part of stand up comedy is mind control and taking people down roads they don’t expect. One of these avenues could being saying something that is typically taboo. Louis (before his cancellation) was known to use the N word on stage. It’s not something that he should say in normal conversations and would bring a sense of shock and laughter. Effect is common. “Oh my god! I can’t believe you said that!” The bill burr bit “What are you a (insert F word for gay slur)?” That entire bed was pointing out the ridiculous nature of hyper masculinity. Something that I know many many men have experienced in their lives. The fact that he used that slur actually creates a similar effect. I would guess that a great majority of people around the world have experienced this type of humor. \n\nAnd none of the examples that I provided nor in Chapelle‘s case do I actually think they were trying to rally crowds and encourage them to harm other humans. They are comedians. They were on a stage performing an act and that is part of the understanding that one should have when they attend a stand-up comedy show. People are going to feel uncomfortable by words.\n\nThis is not a group of people standing on stage at a neo Nazi rally encouraging others to manifest their beliefs and feelings that they are superior by race, by their sexuality, or in any other manner.\n\nI understand that these are sensitive times for large groups of people. I think there’s a problem when people are not having a discussion about art or speech and instead saying that someone is just absolutely wrong. There are a few times where nuance isn’t extremely important. And I think one thing being missed about Chapelle‘s performance is that there’s a great deal of nuance and deep thought about our culture and society today. The United States very recently had a president who started his campaign by stating that Mexicans are all rapists and criminals. To have a then presidential candidate profess a desire to deal with people and openly espouse his racist beliefs is much different than a standup comedian performing.\n\nI think it’s also important understand that sometimes peoples feelings are negatively affected or they are flat out hurt by the words of another. Whether that be someone they know directly or in the case of a comedian in a Netflix special. These conversations canon should be had. The absolutism of right or wrong bothers me quite a bit when it comes to social Warriors on the left or right. But I think we should also all be mindful of the fact that we have control over our feelings and should be able to think critically about what we are watching or hearing. I truly believe that we all are strong enough to listen to someone else say something that we disagree with or dislike and either move forward after digesting those feelings or say that it wasn’t appreciated without attempting to institute a tribal system of justice where whoever is the loudest appears to be the most correct despite problems with their beliefs systems. \n\nI know this is very long-winded and I apologize for the length. I hope nothing that I stated offended you. But I think nuance is important in these discussions that can get pretty heated. Especially amongst strangers who weren’t looking at each other‘s faces over the Internet. I will say I will continue to be confused at the viewpoint that people believe Chapelle‘s words are encouraging violent actions or hatred towards transsexual members of society. I truly do not believe him to be a hateful person. But, this is why nuanced civil discourse is important. To quote Chapelle‘s quote of Daphne from the special, “I need you to understand that I’m having a human experience.“ And we all truly are.", "> he left out a lot of details\n\nit's a joke not a documentary.", "Lol na you idiots are too dumb to understand it anyway. As obvious by the downvotes", "Did you watch the special? Did you get to the part where he addresses this exact point?", "> ...arbitrary sociological distinction... \n \nYes. I agree -- as would the vast majority of feminist, including TERFs. However, that \"arbitrary distinction\" literally mean that society treats them and the issues facing/related to them differently. \n \nEquating the separation of goals/movements is not \"othering\" and no one is doing it to be mean. It is done because women's equality is a different issue than whether trans women can use the women's bathroom. Those are very different arguments, which require different movements -- even if both are right. \n \nYou may not want the issues separated, but others do, and that does not make them hateful nor dismissive. It simply means they have different goals and see the combination of the goals as making things harder for everyone. It's basically the \"one step at a time\" argument. \n \nRegarding the \"hatecrimed...mentally ill\" stuff, I've never once heard a feminist say any of that, including TERFs. Regardless of their trauma (which I agree come with the territory, sadly), they need to direct their anger in the right direction, which is not at feminists, again, including TERFs. \n \nYour last paragraph implies that you didn't read Rowling's statement nor relate it to Chappelle's (or perhaps we interpreted her writing differently). I agree that feminism is substantially different now than a decade ago, and I'd agree to an extent that both of them lack some understanding here. But, both have been clear that they do not hate, and both made grande gestures to support trans people. \n \nAlso, it seems relevant to mention that I have degree sociology and minor in philosophy. Neither were my primary area of academics, tho.", "I thought they were anti-validation", "and lunch time is crunch time", "I once was buddies with someone who considered him the greatest comedian ever. \n\nI'd say, within a 5% margin of error, that buddy is exactly how you would picture him in your mind right now.", "Notice that you're resorting to attacking my character. You should use that as reason to wonder if you understand your reasons as well as you think you do.", "It's kind of interesting how you seemed to have made a deliberate effort to leave out the proceeding sentences, as if the context didn't support your point. Here is the FULL context:\n\n> Beautiful tweet, beautiful friend, it took a lot of heart to defend me like that, and when she did that the trans community dragged that bitch all over Twitter. For days, they was going in on her, and she was holding her own ’cause she’s funny. But six days after that wonderful night I described to you my friend Daphne killed herself. Oh yeah, this is a true story, my heart was broken. Yeah, it wasn’t the jokes. I don’t know if was them dragging or I don’t know what was going on in her life but I bet dragging her didn’t help. I was very angry at them, I was very angry at her.\n\nGiven that Dave also ragged on and antagonized the trans and LGBT online community (and more specifically twitter SJWs), it seems pretty clear that Dave was making an implication. Yeah, he says \"I don't know if they drove her to suicide\", but the implication is pretty sternly there. This is an \"I can't prove this claim, so I'll just lead others to the conclusion I feel is correct\" kind of argument.", "Transgendered women do not have traditional vaginas. They know it, we know it. That is not to say both parties that engage in intercorse cannot derive sexual pleasure, nor does it mean that sex with a transgendered individual is worse. It just means it's different, and for now, it's new, like the impossible burger.\n\nWhat I take away from Dave's special is this: he is an old transphobic man with views he knows are wrong but cannot in his brain reconcile the reality and the \"humor\" of a person being stuck in a body that does not feel like their own. The message that I see him driving home is that to those more transphobic than he: you don't have to \"get\" transgendered people, and it is okay that if you do not (at this time) , but you must recognize them as humans having a human experience -- not other. You don't have to be afraid of transgendered people and it is okay to ask stupid questions, so long as at the core you see trans people as people.", "Watching someone's comedy special before having an opinion on it? Stop talking so crazy", "That's a question, not a statement. Questions are used to explore and discover the world around us, giving us new information and perspective. They're an opportunity.", "Correct, Dave Chappelle punches lines, and he's a master of his craft.", "The LBGTQ+ mafia are only the underdogs when they're in a fight with the world's greatest comedian. When they fight everyone else, they are the heavyweights knocking their competitors out left and right. Now they are just mad and salty because they've finally started running into opponents that have the ability to knock them out.", "Is he really a transphobe though? Half his routine is defending a trans friend.", "Kinda like real radio", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qga9hg/george_carlin_on_larry_king_explaining_the_dave/hi6hruf/\n\nThat seems to imply there was harrassment that you can't see anymore because of deleted tweets.", "Well I don't like your face", "That's fair, Carlin did say the N word while being a white man.", "I watched it and didnt even laugh.", "No, because your offendedness doesn't invalidate a joke being funny to someone else. They don't cancel out.", "So…you can’t answer the question?\n\nUntil you can, please quit the hyperbolic language.", "No need. All those events are already funny.", ">No need to get mad, I was criticizing him, not you. \n\nOmg thanks for clearing that up. I was seething with anger. Damn near jumped off a building. lol", " By OP I mean the parent comment you resopnded to originally, not the post itself. The only point /u/Mikimao made was against the notion of someone playing a character not being a sufficient excuse of the words they say embodying that character.\n\nYou simply responded by saying that just like with Andrew Dice Clay, stupid people bought into the character that Colbert portrayed, which said nothing other than a reiteration of the point they made.\n\nIf Clay's caricature of bigoted conservatives is unacceptable due to it galvanizing a gullible group of hateful people, then why is Colbert's acceptable?\n\nYou're changing the discussion by adding nuance that had nothing to do with what I was challenging.", "It's essentially confirmation that they didn't, or that if they did they didn't ruminate on it and are responding in a reactionary manner.", "Yes, explaining jokes is the best way to experience a comedy special. I'm glad you understand the concepts we're working with here.", "I never said it did", "I didn’t make a deliberate effort to leave out anything. I figured the pretext was obvious at this point. But thanks for adding more context. 👌 \n\nWhy not highlight the “she was holding her own cause she’s funny” part though?\n\nTwitter SJW’s are all part of the LGBTQ+ community?\n\nAn implication would be more like “I don’t know if it was the jokes that drove her to suicide, but I know that she didn’t have anything else going on that would bother her.”", "Only a numbnuts would criticize someone for providing context in a statement.", "I’m telling you you’re a sad little bigot", "I'm 40, and yeah, never thought Dice was funny. He was just incredibly vulgar and shocking, which was his whole schtick. But hey, make your money. Bo Burnham isn't funny either, he just taps into the Zoomer self-loathing in a sad and quirky way that the kids who feel they're part of the 'out group' can relate to. But right now, he's selling something that people are buying, and I hope he stacks it to the ceiling. There's something to be said for providing entertainment of any stripe, as long as it's not taking food out of people's mouths or the roof from over their head, it keeps the masses from going postal and offing their schoolmates and coworkers, so more power to the comedians!", "Exactly what laws have been passed and by which states?\n\nPlenty of people are ‘thrown out of their homes’. Are you saying that this happens to trans people solely because they are trans? If so, please cite your evidence.", "So we agree you’re a bigot ?", "..... Yes, I knew which comment was being referred to. \n\nI responded by highlighting that *the group being mocked* were so unthreatened by the character that they bought into it, believing he was agreeing with them instead of mocking them.\n\nThe group clay mocks is not who the character is. The punchline isnt the racist man. The punchline is the racism, it is just being delivered via a caricature.", "If someone I was close with died I'd go to the funeral. If I knew them a reasonable level id know how many times they tried stand up before putting them on as my opener. \n\nThat has absolutely nothing to do with your prior statement regarding him being ignorant to the circumstances surrounding her death.", "No, I’m calling out douchebags who make statements filled with hyperbole and accusations with zero evidence or examples to back up or prove their specious assertions.\n\nBut, hey, you do you and make bigoted accusations!", "What the fuck are you even talking about? You don't think LGBTQ people have ever been targeted? You think LGBTQ are the majority and have control? What world do you live in?", "By that logic you can't criticize anyone. How am I being an extremist? You don't even know what my views are.", "\"You either care about people of all age, sex, and race or you shut the fuck up!\"\n\n- Bill Hicks", "Yeah and that's also his point; it's a joke. He can't even joke with the trans community. It's fine when he makes jokes about everybody else but it all comes to a grinding halt when it hits the LBGT community. Apparently they've been oppressed so much that it's not right to joke about them.", "Lol", "No he wasn't. Not even close. You never see his Iraq bit? His Rush Limbaugh bit? His Pro-Life bit? He may have had issues with Democrats at times (which is fair), but he did not loath them like he loathed Republicans. Also...\n\n\"You either care about people of all age, sex, and race or you shut the fuck up!\"\n\n- Bill Hicks", "> Nothing I said was dependent on my having seen it. \n \nIncorrect. I even described exactly why it was relevant. Your statement is the textbook definition of arguing from ignorance. \n \n> ...but \"women make less money\" and \"trans women make even less money\" are the same issue, or at least one is a subset of the other. So if a feminist activist is pushing to close the pay gap for everyone except trans women then that's clearly them being anti-trans. \n \nThat would seem reasonable if those were actually related because of gender, which they are not. That is two completely separate issues, which is exemplified by the fact that gay men [have a similar pay gap as women and trans women](https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/lgbtq-rights/news/2012/04/16/11494/the-gay-and-transgender-wage-gap/), are also excluded from feminist movements, and we aren't saying feminists are anti-gay for that exclusion. The movements are different because one is about equality and the others are about acceptance. \n\n> How can you write that phrase and then not immediately stop and reconsider what you're saying. \"I have an X friend\" is the joke phrase people say when they're pretending to be hopelessly out of touch. \n \nBecause you (intentionally) misinterpreting it's context and relevance is not something reasonable people do. I've been involved in the LGBT movements for 25 years. If you think it's hard now, I've got some scars to show you. \n \n> That makes sense until you consider the fact that terfs explicitly advocate for women on the condition that trans people DON'T get the same rights and never will. \n \nThat is just a flat out, blatant lie. \n \n> Like, they'll advocate for women's shelters but they also fight tooth and nail against the idea of ever allowing a trans woman inside. \n \nThis is actually a good point. Some do this. But, that is not what TERF means (and, it's obviously not what Chappelle meant, which again, you'd know had you watched it). But, yes, sadly, some are like that. \n \n> It's possible to advocate for trans issues and womens issues at the same time, terfs by definition do not do that. \n \nThis definition is incorrect. That's not what TERF means. \n \n> They will help women win equality and then turn around and be the most ardent opponents to trans women winning acceptance as women. \n \nAgain, no. Not the definition, mate. \n \n> I'd love to see their response if you tell them that to their face. \n \nThey're the ones who defined the term for me, and again, their definition is vastly, vastly different from yours. I've also fought for them at our city council, in court, and at their (genuinely horrible) HOA meetings. So, I'm sure they won't car e when I mention this.", "Small quibble, social power is absolutely a form of power. It's soft power, but soft power can still be coercive.", "I'm not arguing with you. Financial analytics is a thing. There are organizations that deal with it. They do exist. It's not made up. That's it.", ">You know, for people that claim to believe in free expression you sure do have a problem with people voicing their opinions.\n\nLikewise.\n\n>It seems that it’s only people that disagree with making him richer that have to shut up. Wonder why that is? \n\nBecause they hold the less popular position, which is why it seems that way. The reality is they are a vocal minority, and like other vocal minorities they make less noise by comparison.", "Here we see the trans community's legendary penchant for defending their beliefs without resorting to insults.", "I live in a world where Dave Chapelle made international news for jokes and people were attacked physically and had their shit broken by violent thugs for supporting him and it gets zero coverage despite video evidence showing it.\n\nYou aren't oppressed, you're the oppressor. Every government system and corporation in the nation supports you unwaveringly. Your side is large and in charge and is now bold enough to start assaulting people on the streets without condemnation or reprisal.", "Yeah, that was a real bad take. I love him and don't think he is a homophobe but I do think he needs educating on the Terf thing and why some of his jokes give comfort and ammo to the people who are full of hate that he is not on the same side as.", "Strong point. But at the very least, if Kevin shouldn't be blamed, the Oscars should be. It's not right to blame people to express what they see and hear, for the crime of critiquing a mega popular celebrity.", "\"Show me the trans women's bathrooms, and he trans picking cotton.\" \n \n-- Chappelle, probably. \n \nThat definition is incorrect. The separation is about the difference between equality and acceptance. They are different struggles.", "I know. It blows my mind.", "> and did everything he could to save his career\n\nlmao.", "Carlin was always full of shit. To counter everything he says in this video, [here he is talking about how you can joke about anything, then he includes a joke about the rape of an 81 year old woman.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLuZjpxmsZQ)\n\nHe was a coked up weirdo who would just constantly fast-talk out of his ass and trick idiots into thinking that he's an expert on everything.", "Eh I mean… the reasons for someone’s suicide are pretty nuanced. I guess I’m just confused. I never once laughed at trans people watching Dave. If anything I laughed at transphobia. He literally says if any of his audience thinks that the rhetoric is anti trans then they shouldn’t come to his shows anymore", "You have some serious issues. You think gays run the world? Really? Are you new to this planet?", "So I showed your earlier post to some friends and we were having a good laugh at what you wrote, but now it's becoming sad. I have to assume you know you lost the argument and are now trolling, because otherwise it would be really sad. Are you not even acknowledging what you wrote or do you not even understand your own words. You wrote this line in an earlier response: \"'\"Making jokes about everyone' is sort of a lazy excuse. That does nothing to establish or even consider when certain things may be appropriate or crossing a line.\" -u/poopoojohns Did you even understand what that imlpiess? You decided that Chappelle made an inappropriate comment, and even used the words crossing a line\" I didn't even say that statement \"crossing the line\" until you mentioned it. Now it's entirely possible that your reading comprehension skills are severely lacking, but I'm fairly generous and will give you the benefit of the doubt. You imply that Chappelle's trans joke were inappropriate for whatever reason- by the nature of claiming they were inappropriate, you were drawing a line on what is appropriate or inappropriate. Now, based off the fact that you didn't make a similar conclusion to the jokes on black people, poor white people, gay people or other marginalized groups- it's fairly obvious that line only starts on trans people. So not only is everything you said implicitly define a line on what is appropriate vs not, you *explicitly say it the justification of his making fun of other groups isn't", ">I bet they didn't watch it. \n\n.\n\n>I ain't reading your walls of text\n\nlmao perfect", ">fully\n\nYour mask is slipping", "> . The Kevin Hart thing is annoying because he was literally someone who grew and changed for the better in the exact manner \n\nWe didn't know this until after the Oscars. Look at his interviews up to 2017, he always blamed the audience.", "That's a semantically nonsensical distinction. You're just asserting things. The same group is being mocked. Clay is mocking the same set of beliefs that Colbert is and the same set of people are equally \"unthreatened by the character that they bought into, believing they were agreeing with them instead of mocking them.\"\n\nYou're taking it as though Colbert somehow has a more explicit mockery that lacks the absurd racist punchlines Dice employs when he doesn't. They both play a character that say bad things as a punchline, both making fun of the same group by pretending to make fun of another.", "Yeah, that comment is a very \"mask off\" moment.", "Lolololol. \n\nGood try. \n\n“Hey, can you cite a single example of something you’re talking about?”\n\n“No. You have to read 3 books.”\n\nSure, bud. Very convincing. Literally can’t even come up with one single sentence to back up your claim.\n\nI also asked you for jokes you find funny and are punching down. I notice you didn’t give an example of that either. Is it because they’re not funny and it has made you reflect that what you find funny is simply shitty?", "You're lying, you know you're lying. You're deliberately lying to pretend your side is a victim so that you can control the thoughts and voices of others. \n\nYou're not a victim, you're the problem. You're what needs to be fought if we ever want something that actually resembles an egalitarian society. All you are is everything you claim the people you fight against are. \n\nExcept that the people you fight against don't exist and are exclusively a tool you use to further a narrative that you're a victim.\n\nIt's hard to tell if you're insane and brainwashed or just very stupid and easily led by sob stories.", "haha sorry! i mostly lurk and am lacking the etiquette of a TLDR. i just smoked some weed so unfortunately not in a place to put one together at the moment.", "\n> An implication would be more like “I don’t know if it was the jokes that drove her to suicide, but I know that she didn’t have anything else going on that would bother her.” Everything else should be considered speculation, not implication. \n\nThe problem is that you are being extremely charitable to Dave Cheppelle here, and in a way that is intellectually disingenuous at best. Your argument is basically well there could have been more explicit attempts to mislead. \n\nDid you not see conservatives roaring about \"the woke mob that killed Daphne\" online after his special? Did you not see the articles parading this implied narrative? Are you out of the loop or naive? I can't tell.\n\nDave said he called up the family right after he learned she died. Do you think he didn't ask why? Do you think that Dave Chappelle honestly didn't know about Daphne's loss of her job and child custody? \n\nTo your other point, why would I highlight that extra part? I didn't leave out context (like someone else in this conversation) and I emphasized the part that shows that Dave was explicitly calling attention to the online harassment by the trans community. I bolded what mattered for my point, because Dave absolutely makes an \"A happened and then B happened\" implication in his show.", "sorry for triggering you", "...... Have you not watched the clip? In the post? Do you believe carlin is criticizing his actions for mocking racists?* That he thinks racists are a class of person on par with women or jewish people, that white men feel threatened by? \n\nOr are you making up more bullshit?", "….punching down…to climate activists… by saying Earth would’ve better off without humans….\n\n….Which is basically a pretty standard opinion of climate activists…\n\n\n….. that’s the best example you can come up with?\n\nLololol", "A lot of the tweets daphne responded too were deleted. So hard to prove but not unbelievable in my book that twitter would do this. But I understand you need hard proof. The lgbtq killed my favorite pornstar august Ames so I don’t doubt this.", "What's bad about greenandpleasant?", "This is the dimmest analysis. Shh.", "His bit about JK Rowling is pretty bad. She's aggressively transphobic.", "Seethe. It hurts your feelings because you know its true.", "Yeah, he was arrested for what he had to say.", "Oh, damn. Half+ of those people are doing as you claimed. Twitter is a horrible, ignorant place. I didn't (and still don't) see that anywhere on Reddit, but I believe you now that it's out there. Perhaps I should feel good I'm not seeing it? Either it's getting buried quickly or I'm not in the subs. Idk. Anyway, your original statement makes way more sense now. I'm not sure any of that is really anti-trans. It seems like some weird anti-bullying, but I get your point that some of it is verging on misguided bullying. Tbf, that's hardly Chappelle's fault. Basically, everything I said to you actually applies to these dopes, and definitely not you. Apologies, and thanks for correcting me. I was so confused, and I thought you were just being a jerk troll. \n \nEdit: also, I'll go back and fix my original reply to you. Least I could do. Cheers.", "Tell them/they or something to take a joke. You can’t control how someone speaks, but you can control how you respond. Why let someone get you so upset? You will be a puppet to be manipulated with emotions.", "The only point I'm trying to make is that there's not, based solely on the basic argument being made, a difference between Colbert mocking conservatives by sarcastically parroting their beliefs as a character and Clay doing the same. I have nothing to say regarding Carlin's thoughts on the acceptability of clay's schtick.", "Lol you tried", "I'm lying about what? Are you the victim here? Victim of what, exactly? All I said was his \"jokes\" about trans people are dangerous because it foments hate like you're displaying here. You seem completely disconnected from reality. \n\nI made a comment on reddit, I'm not protesting in the streets. \n\nYou're making the argument that LGBT need to be fought against... For what exactly? How do you plan to \"fight\"?\n\nMe: I don't like this comedian's jokes\n\nYou: Gays are taking over the world!!!!\n\nTo the privileged, equality feels like oppression.", "I'm surprised you could type that with your head so far up your own ass. Bravo.", "I bet you thought that was some mindblowing theory on words being sounds. Cool, I was in college once too.", "Not sure why you posted it twice, but, yes, I believe you now, which changes everything. I just went to the top and edited my comment to agree with you. Cheers.", "Haha, no I'm not. That conspiracy theory is fucking nuts.", "Everyone in this thread seems awfully upset with what trans folks are saying. Take your own advice and let people speak their minds.", ">“Political group twists narrative to benefit their motive” \n\nWild\n\nAs someone who has personal experience with suicide, we can speculate all we want on what pushed Daphne toward suicide, but it’s pointless because we’ll never know. Placing blame is pointless. \n\n>I bolded what mattered for my point\n\nOh, really?\n\nDave mentioned that she was at bat for herself and was holding her own. One can presume, based on his belief that Daphne was strong enough in her beliefs that she could enjoy his trans humor, that when he says she was “holding her own” against the backlash online while supporting him, that he didn’t believe it was a key factor in her decision. But obviously nothing is certain, so he made sure to include the “I don’t know.” \n\nBelieve whatever you want though. I’m done as of now. I’m just fighting with autocorrect at this point. lol\n\nEdit: Formatting and wording and whatever", ">I'm lying about what? Are you the victim here? Victim of what, exactly? All I said was his \"jokes\" about trans people are dangerous because it foments hate like you're displaying here.\n\nIf you can explain in a meaningful way how I hate trans people I will cede the point to you. I know you can't since I don't, but it's going to be fun watching you claim that everything you don't personally agree with victimizes you and how I'm personally supporting the Klu Klux Klans massive comeback and lynchings.", "Carlin just lived a lot longer than Hicks because they both toured a lot. Carlin lived til 71 and was able to do like 16 comedy specials. Hicks died at 32 right as his career was really starting to take off and really only was able to do I think 2 specials and a couple tapes. A lot of his material is just collected recordings from various shows.", ">You would have to be terminally online to think that trans people have any power. They have to fight tooth and nail for everything.\n\nThis is actually pretty funny. Did you miss the part where numerous film festivals pulled invitations to Dave for his latest project? You'd have to be terminally online to think that anything he said in his special was hateful in any way. But rest assured, tomorrow morning I'll be out in the park touching grass the same as I do every single day of my life. You should try it some time instead of using the one insult that so perfectly projects your own issues.", "You have nothing to say because you know it immediately disproves your point if you even look at it. \n\nDrinker of koolaid more like, christ on a bike. \n\n\"My only point is that what really happened isnt what happened. I have no comment on the video detailing what really happened.\"", "No, this is someone criticizing him, not a reaction to criticism. Your bias is showing.", "I can use smaller words if that would help.", "Then you're an idiot.\n\nSome people shouldn't be anywhere near certain drugs. I include alcohol and caffeine in that by the way.\n\nSchizophrenics and hallucinogens are a horrible mix for example.", "Sorry - where in any of that is mention of “retarded” children…? While we’re on the subject of reading comprehension….\n\nAlso, who other than awful shitheads uses the term “retarded” anymore? Holy shit.", "He laid out what the acronym meant while pointing out that Rowling was considered a TERF for some completely innocuous comments. He sided with her there.\n\n>He agreed with a group he acknowledges find the existence and lives of trans people to be equivalent to a blackface performance in offensiveness.\n\nNo. He really fucking didn't.", ">because America didn’t have a bunch of Nazis everywhere at the time,\n\nYes it fucking did, same as it is now, you just didn't know it at the time.", "No. We aren't agreeing. I'm agreeing with you that the... \n \n> ...notion that a black man is inherently punching up at a transgender person is asinine... \n \nThat statement, imo, is almost as asinine as... \n \n> ...Chappelle does with is deny the existence of non-white transgender people. \n \nHe absolutely never did that. Saying a movement contains white people and benefits from including white people is not the same as denying it has non-white people. \n \nAfter reading that nonsense, idgaf if you think I'm wrong. Lol.", "I'm familiar with this moronic quote, yes. I first heard it on a tool album.\n\nCompletely idiotic thing to say, but it sure sounds profound.\n\nI used to believe it wholeheartedly omce upon a time, but that's because my brain broke from lack of sleep.", "Because it's a fucking comedy special, not a classroom lecture. \n\nJesus fucking Christ you idiots are just looking to get butthurt about anything. \n\nFucking straight up first world privilege right there.", "That’s what it’s like when someone doesn’t deserve the death penalty. You could learn from it.", "Because I have a life outside of Reddit and don’t spend every waking minute responding to dunces", "They have never claimed to be anything but comedians", "That was fucking hilarious lmaaao", "Look at the audience rating for The Closer on Rotten Tomatoes. Or Sticks and Stones. Or any of his recent specials. Those scores are reflective about how society feels about the things Dave is saying. And let's be clear that he's saying a lot more about a lot more important things than a couple jokes about trans people.", "Ah yes. Horrible. Horrible punching down: children. That historically marginalized group. Just awful.", ">So I showed your earlier post to some friends and we were having a good laugh at what you wrote, but now it's becoming sad\n\nStill waiting for you to:\n\n1) Please quote where I believe there is a line that Dave crosses.\n\n2) Please quote where I said that line \"ends on\" trans people\n\n\nWhy are you taking so long? Should be easy enough just to copy and paste right?\n\n> I have to assume you know you lost the argument and are now trolling, because otherwise it would be really sad. Are you not even acknowledging what you wrote or do you not even understand your own words. \n\nSo where are 1 and 2?\n\n>You wrote this line in an earlier response: \"'\"Making jokes about everyone' is sort of a lazy excuse. That does nothing to establish or even consider when certain things may be appropriate or crossing a line.\"\n\n1) Please quote where I believe there is a line that Dave crosses.\n\n2) Please quote where I said that line \"ends on\" trans people\n\n\nI'm still waiting.\n\n\n>Did you even understand what that imlpiess? \n\nAre you going to provide 1) and 2) yet?\n\nGo ahead. Get your little gaggle of Karens to put your tiny brains together and do the following:\n\n1) Please quote where I believe there is a line that Dave crosses.\n\n2) Please quote where I said that line \"ends on\" trans people\n\n\nWaiting.\n>You imply that Chappelle's trans joke were inappropriate for whatever reason- by the nature of claiming they were inappropriate, you were drawing a line on what is appropriate or inappropriate. \n\n\nSo why don't you go ahead and quote it already? I'm waiting.\n\nNo? \n\nStill not going to?\n\nWeird.\n\nAlmost like your tiny peabrain failed miserably at reading a few basic sentences.\n\n>Now, based off the fact that you didn't make a similar conclusion to the jokes on black people, poor white people, gay people or other marginalized groups- it's fairly obvious that line only starts on trans people\n\nSo go ahead and the line starts or ends on trans people just like I asked.\n\nI'm waiting.\n\n>So not only is everything you said implicitly define a line on what is appropriate vs not, you *explicitly say it the justification of his making fun of other groups isn't\n\nSo what you're saying is you still cannot do either of the following:\n\n1) Please quote where I believe there is a line that Dave crosses.\n\n2) Please quote where I said that line \"ends on\" trans people", "Exactly my feelings about the two", "Oliver Stone is a moron. The JFK thing is definitely a conspiracy theory. Like you said, \"back and to the left\" --- yeah, but if you know anything about ballistics you know that does concord with a shot from Oswalds position. Not at all dishonest to lump in with other conspiracy theories.\n\nI think drugs should be legal, but he made thinly veiled jokes that everyone should do them, which is a reaaaally bad idea. Drugs react differently with different people. We treat ADD with speed so they'll calm down for example.\n\nYou can disagree about Rogan and thats fine, but he's had lots of lefties on his show too. Hes not purely right wing.", "Maybe try to avoid preconception, it sets you up to fall for confirmation bias.", "I wish they would do this with voters ballots. I swear they do it to confuse you into voting for the wrong thing. Just explain it to me like I’m 5 and tell me the legit pros and cons of each choice I’m making", "What are you even talking about? Lol, I keep asking and you keep putting words in my mouth. I never said you hated trans people. I never claimed to be a victim. I'm not trans. You said LGBT controls the country... Which is weird and not even remotely true. \n\nYou're the one trying to play the victim and I'm just trying to get you to tell me why you think that. It's bizarre.", "> never said you hated trans people.\n\n>because it foments hate like you're displaying here.\n\nYou forgot to edit your posts before you lied again.", "I wish I could see it that way. Jokes are subjective— yes. What Ricky Gervais does is funny to me, what Dave Chapelle does isn’t. \n\nMaybe because I don’t find him funny — I take his words at face value.\n\nFor eg: his comment about Golden Globes making the dress code “black” in support of BLM. The comments at face value are true .. that doesn’t solve any issue but the way he discards it, it also feels like he’s discarding the intent with which people did that. His comment about celebrities firing their agents and giving the job to a black mail lady was just a populist comment. His comments to me seemed like — “hey you are standing up for something and doing something but it’s not upto my standards of protests so I deduce that whatever you’re doing is just fake. Also, there are bigger issues than what you are fighting for. Fighting for issues other than the one I’m pointing out makes you a fake supporter or a bad guy”\n\nI hope I’ve been able to tactfully put forth my perspective here.", ">Yeah and that's also his point; it's a joke. He can't even joke with the trans community.\n\nHis jokes are shitty and transphobic. Maybe he shouldn't joke about a marginalized community he clearly has no respect for or understanding of.", "Chappelle’s entire point is that there are rungs on the ladder and that black people are a rung or a few below white transgender people in their status in society. A very common and very valid criticism of his set is that he denies the notion of a black or otherwise non-white LGBTQ person who might be getting shit on twice over. \n\nAlso often pointed out is that Chappelle left the industry because, as he said, someone laughed the wrong way at a black joke he made. Even if that’s just a part of the reason he left, if he recognized it then, he should recognize it now.", "oh god cringe debate lords. If you actually cared about this and weren't disingenuous you'd easily find information in seconds on google. I wont waste my time and just say go debate why you cant get any pussy L nerd.", "Thanks I hadn't seen this! I don't think Andrew is dumb, I do think he's an asshole though. I really don't like the \"I'm not racist I make fun of everyone\" kind of logic; but this is an interesting clip, obviously he's older here, because he says he doesn't make jokes about aids anymore because it's a sensitive subject. That's an interesting reaction now that we see Dave doubling down on trans issues.", "Sure.", "You gotta keep it more short when you write high. \n\n\nI know all this stuff dude, it doesn't address my question of why I should accept that in this one aspect of identity internal feeling or revelation or whatever supercedes material reality in a way the rest of the world should accept. It is a claim about the immaterial, and I am suspicious of pretty much all of those. I came out of religion. I know what it's like to really reaally really really feel something to the point that you've convinced yourself it's undeniable. We have no way to check whether this claim is true and that makes me suspicious of it.", "I have seen pretty much all his material. He did more than just his Revelations special.\n\nHe joked about the jfk sniper rifle pendant yes, and then launches into talking about how you cant see the motorcade from oswalds position, which is bullshit. He talks about the puff of smoke from the grassy knoll, the noise the witnesses says come from there, and he mentions 'back and to the left' claiming someone who dabbles in physics would conclude the shot came from the knoll, which is a crock of shit.\n\nAs for drugs, i agree with him on the war on drugs, but i think he took it too far in insinuating hallucinogenics show the true reality of the universe, and launched us from primitive apes to humans, which to me sounds like a recommendation. He calls psychedelics and weed 'good drugs' too, when I'd say its a case by case basis thing.\n\nPsychedelics are an inherently bad idea for quite a lot of people. For others its ok.", "You've a very good point on that. :)", "Nah man, you’re taking L’s all over this forum. \n\nAnd people exercise their right to free speech constantly, like you and I, now. See how we’re not being censored by the government? It’s not that difficult to grasp. What’s wrong with your brain?", "Andrew Clay Silverstein as Andrew \"Diceman\" Clay said outrageous, racist, bigoted, ignorant things in order to, at least according to his own insistence, mock people who held those beliefs.\n\nStephen Colbert as Stephen \"Colber(t)\" said outrageous, racist, bigoted, ignorant things in order to mock the people who held those beliefs.\n \nGeorge Carlin said it's not okay to make punchlines out of disadvantaged people because comedy is supposed to make fun of those in power.\n\nSo yes, the point I'm making has nothing to do with Carlin's opinion on Clay's character, only that there's no obvious distinction between Colbert and Clay in the limited framework I originally commented on.", "Where did I say I didn’t want people to not speak?", "Ah yes, the part where he says it’s funny that… checks notes… an 81 year old woman got raped would definitely not be considered… checks notes… punching down… checks notes… because an 81 year old rape victim is not… checks notes… an actual victim in any way", "So, you’ve got nothing?\n\nThought so.", "The point was that when the cops arrived, it was going to be a situation of \"white person feels threatened by black person\". If you've been paying attention the last few years, that is a statistically problematic position for the black person to be put in.", "As much pussy as you get then lmfao", "The part where he implies the fact that an 81 year old woman was raped is funny. Perhaps you missed that part.", ">You're not a victim, you're the problem. You're what needs to be fought if we ever want something that actually resembles an egalitarian society. All you are is everything you claim the people you fight against are. \n\n\n\nI never said you hated trans people, it doesn't seem like your hate is directly targeting them. You think LGBT is the majority that's oppressing you. How can you possibly believe that? How do you plan to \"fight back\" against it?", ">Edit: Die off? A death threat? Huhhh\n\nJesus fuck. You've got issues.", "That's some pretty sexist language you've chosen.", "No. His point was only that trans movements have progressed more quickly, not that they've surpassed the footing of blacks. \n \nThat criticism may be common, but it's not even remotely valid. But, tbf, there are a lot of invalid criticisms being thrown around. Anyone who thinks that Chappelle thinks non-white LGBT can't exist or that they don't have it worse than non-whites and white LGBTs has never watched Chappelle. That's also just a dumb assumption to make, imo. Literally no one would logically think that. The only reason to project such ignorance onto Chappelle seems a pathetically illogical attempt to discredit him. \n \nRegarding your last paragraph, that is both illogical and wrongly interprets his statements. It's clear you either don't know what you're talking about and/or your on some weird campaign. Either way, I'm out.", "Apples are just swollen ovaries from a tree that ripened with sugars. \n\nOranges are also sugar ripened swollen ovaries from trees. \n\nGoodness. See? Clearly, they are identical. I am in no way leaving out crucial facts of the situation. Glug Glug Glug Glug", "It's funny because it's huis own fans taking that tidbit away from it all. Go and look at the comments, his fans are the one who puts two and two together.", "This is my issue with people like the dude above you. The second it's their god like Chappelle apparently humans are fucking terrible at reading intent.\n\n\"Oh he just said that his friend was harassed and that she killed herself within seconds of each other.\"\n\nLike are we children who can't interpret intent?\n\nIf I ask my GF if she cheated on me and she goes silent and freezes up, that just means she didn't right?\n\nYou're presenting your arguments well.", "God damn, that was super depressing to read. It sucks that there are so many people out there like you. Such an asshole, hopefully you’re able to turn it around one day. Good luck!", "When exactly does he defend her? When he implicitly argues that the trans community was directly responsible for her death despite her roommate and sister speaking to the contrary? When he uses her death and the “I’m not a racist! I have a black friend!” argument to attempt to shield himself from criticism?\n\nAnd also literally calling himself Team TERF lol.\n\nYes, Chapelle is a transphobe. And a knowingly dishonest one at that.", ">Because it's a fucking comedy special, not a classroom lecture.\n\nSomeone should tell Dave this. He didn't get the message.\n\nI mean did you take away any messages from his special or did you just laugh and not think about stuff?", "I can show Dave Chappelle a black trans woman if that had been an actual quote, and also Dave Chapelle never had to use a coloureds only bathroom or pick cotton himself.", "Dude it’s a punch line about beyond burger specific advertising that says it’s not blood, it’s beet juice. Every trans vegan with a sense of humor laughed at a that one.", "lmao exactly his point.", "Anyone can be a twat. Quit being so heteronormative.", "You clearly didn't read the article from Benson or else you wouldn't have responded with this. I encourage you, again, to read it. Benson makes it clear that Alec, while yes he was in therapy for his behavior, was shifting his shitty attitude to new people to abuse while making it look like he was suddenly getting along fine to the old people he abused. None of them realized it until he was gone and they all started to talk.", "Then your prior statement was more irrelevant than I thought.", "To look more like the gender that they want to appear as. It's extraordinarily straight forward.", "Okay. Guy. Your original objection to the parent comment was that Republicans fell for Stephen's shtick. All I said was they fell for Clay's too and that therefore wasn't a point in and of itself. \n\nI never gave any indication that I was okay with Clay's performance just because it was supposedly a bit, only that what you said wasn't an adequate way to draw a distinction. What Clay said made me sick, I personally find it disgusting in a way that Colbert's show never made me feel. They're not the same in every meaningful way, obviously, they just are in the way you chose to make a point over originally.", "I saw it more the other way until twatbit posted some pics from Twitter of Chappelle fans doing it. So, both sides are misinterpreting it that way, and* some on each side seem to be doing so intentionally for nefarious purposes. \n \nI'm just dumbfounded because I cannot wrap my head around how anyone could misinterpretate it like that. Baffling.", "You're dumb.", "\n>And also literally calling himself Team TERF lol.\n\n\nMy original comment was in response to the absurdity of people using this argument, and now you've just gone and tried to use that exact same argument against me.\n\nI imagine you must also think he's a feminist as well, because hE LiTerAlLy caLLeD HiMsElF a FeMiniST.", "Are you implying that Chappelle hasn't seen or isn't aware that non-white trans people exist? \n \nThat's is almost as illogical and irrelevant as your second sentence. Do you read the things you type before you submit them? Lol.", "Thanks ♥️", "I'll look for the tweet, but her sister and roommate said it's not about harassment.\n\nRegardless, would you not feel that Dave's own fans using the \"she killed herself because she was harassed\" as an argument clue you into the idea that it's pretty obviously easy to interpret what Dave said? Because even Chappelle would agree with that.", "wow, ad hominem attacks. how useful. I'm an asshole for making sound logical arguments that hurt your feelings. Get over yourself.", "i was not high until after, for clarity. \n\ni don't know what there could possibly be to prove about gender identity. gender is how we collectively engage with differences in biological sex, roles and treatment in society, etc. gender identity is separate from biological sex and self defined for each individual. you don't ever have proof of how someone else feels. \n\nyou believe someone is gay without watching them have sex right? if they tell you they are solely...or do you ask for some kind of proof? the proof in this case are the millions of us living every day in society without our transness even being of note, and the other millions with the bravery to do so without blending in, either intentionally or unintentionally. not a single person has ever asked me to pretend they're shaq tall. that is not a thing. no one is asking you to pretend biological sex isn't real- its just not what influences the he/she differentiation. that is gender.", "I mean, if enough people interpret it it a certain way and I'd say the vast majority did, it's the intention or fault of the person involved.\n\nLike Beastie Boys \"Fight for Your Right\" song and how it's misinterpreted. Well, maybe they should have been better at satire.\n\nIt's funny, because Dave himself would agree with me. He stopped with the Chappelle show because he felt it was being misinterpreted.", "\"But some how sexual satisfaction surpasses all of that.\"\n\nBeing transgender has nothing to do with sexual satisfaction. This is a gross misunderstanding of what being transgender is. It's a completely reductive statement. We're supposed to be working together to make the world a better place, and that doesn't happen if you make gross generalizations that are completely incorrect. \n\nAgain...I'd ask...take a few minutes and think about the other side that you're cutting down. Stop thinking of them as someone to punch, and think of them as someone to help. They're human too. They want the same things that you want...happiness, health, love, etc. I don't disagree with you about black people. Obviously. But I think instead of arguing about who is more oppressed, we should be working together to lift each other up and protect one another.", "No “sound logic” was contained in your response. It was all just how you feel, no logic or knowledge involved.", "I'm stating directly that you, while typing a fake quote and weirdly trying to act like it's something DC would say, forgot that black trans women exist. Which really enforces why his crappy trans jokes are harmful, because it makes the more Dunning Kruger fans such as yourself think the black and gay communities are both separate and in a pissing contest.", ">Yes. I agree -- as would the vast majority of feminist, including TERFs.\n\nNo, they dont. Being a terf means you've essentialized the our biology through gender. The argument they use for not having an authentic \"female experience\" as if there were one female mono-experience as if it was biologically determined is essentialism. Youre basically saying everyone who's read this book experienced the same thing as if there were no nuance or possible alternate interpretations.\n\n>separation of goals\n\nWhat? Why? What does this mean? There's no single file line where we all have to take turns voicing our issues on the soapbox. Youre pretending like theres this dichotomy in order so you dont have to share the spotlight with this \"other\" and not have to bring up \"their\" issues and therefore compel their silence. \n\nWhen a police officer sees another police officer brutalize somebody and they dont say anything, their silence is permission. By saying nothing, you are complicit. Youre not just being silent, youre silencing. \n\n>I've never once heard a feminist say any of that, including TERFs.\n\nYoure limited life experience is not the standard. This is a dogwhistle. By pretending like theres some \"natural\" order to things, youre framing their identity as being abberant/weird. This is the first thing that brain needs to do in order to enact tribal violence. We turn people into our own words for them, slurs, repositioning their identities to fit this cultural myth, like being easily offended, this is how we dehumanize people-- through cheap abstractions. \n\n>But, both have been clear that they do not hate, and both made grande gestures to support trans people. \n\nYoure arguing about these people's \"grand gestures\" to support trans people but want to reserve the right to call them by an already agreed upon arbitrary category that they hate and pretend like its real. \"Gender is a fact\"\n\n>Also, it seems relevant to mention that I have degree sociology and minor in philosophy\n\nThats weird. These concepts shouldnt be that foreign to you then. This is CRT and Gender Theory. What type of philosophy?", "Hey Im trying to sleep - Ill give you attention tomorrow.", "I \"feel\" nothing but contempt for people like you pretending to know what you're talking about. If you had any rebuttal you wouldn't have resorted to an ad hominem.", "I haven’t seen this punchline mentioned yet from The Closer. Towards the end he says, “So PLEASE! Do NOT Abort Dababy!” At least for me it’s an absolutely hilarious joke that feels almost like a tribute to Norm Macdonald the way it takes this long road to the stupidest punny punchline.\n\nRemember his “I write jokes backwards and pull punchlines out of a jar” bit? “So I kicked her in the pussy!” It’d be hilarious if years ago he pulled “Please don’t abort the baby!” out of a jar and was like, “Fuck! I mean I can do it but it’s gonna take years man and I’m gonna have to piss off alotta people first.”", "I mean...you're wrong. Not sure where you're getting your stats. \n\n[https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2020/11/11/350-transgender-people-have-been-murdered-in-2020-transgender-day-of-remembrance-list/?sh=199d2b1065a6](https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamiewareham/2020/11/11/350-transgender-people-have-been-murdered-in-2020-transgender-day-of-remembrance-list/?sh=199d2b1065a6)\n\n[https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021](https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021)\n\nAnd this isn't just a fight for their literal ability to breath air. I'm talking about the fight to just exist as themselves. When you have red state after red state trying to say that trans people don't deserve to have the same rights as everyone else, then how do you think the common citizen of those states react?", "I'm not contesting that that exists I'm contesting the claim that when someone who was born a man says 'im a woman inside' they're doing anything more significant than making a faith claim for which they can't provide any material proof. I understand you see these examples as discardable, but what is the difference with between this and transracialism? Provided we invent a concept like 'gender' for race. A kind of immaterial category that sometimes kinda supercedes the real world thing that it's kind of attached to in some places and not others and is only accessible through internal revelation? We could tell people that that sense of something not right inside which everyone feels can be solved by undergoing a race reassignment surgery. That 'race dysphoria' which is the cause of all their discomforts.\n\nOf course people perform gender and conceive of it. I'm contesting whether there's a substantive, discoverable outside of ideology type difference between 'I'm actually a man despite my chromosomes\" and, \"I have jesus in my heart.\"", "The right to free speech only pertains to the government. It’s means that the government can’t censor free speech, that’s it. So what right are you talking about? \n\nAlso, just stop. The person like two comments above this broke it down extremely simply for you. If you can’t wrap your head around it, that’s on you. Reread it as many times as you need to. You’re just being a contrarian that doesn’t want to admit they’re wrong and they don’t actually have a point.", "Yeah I thought that number a was a little low. Anyway, literally no one is arguing that murder isn't wrong. I just think we need to cut the bullshit about Dave inciting violence. If we can't even talk about a community without it being considered a call to violence, then something is seriously wrong.", "Where is the punch here. Where is the punching down. Who is being denigrated here? The old lady? Because it seemed to me he was punching towards the rapist assaulting an old lady.", "> You can still express though, without generalized prejudice, that there is a very hostile response from people toward those with questions and ideas about the subject of gender, trans, and so on. \n\nTrans people are extremely hostile to \"questions and ideas\" about the subject of _their lives_. This isn't some debate club bullshit; this is one of the most mistrusted and marginalized minority groups in the country being constantly forced to advocate for themselves, for their ability to do things like \"use a public restroom safely\" or \"play in school sports\", while a substantial political movement spreads intentional and blatant lies about us with the purpose of making us look bad. We're constantly playing defense against groups of people who will blatantly lie about us in order to marginalize us. \n\nIt's _exhausting_ having to defend your basic existence on a daily basis from people who either don't give a shit about understanding you or are actively invested in hating you. And we know, every time shit like this comes out, there's going to be another upswing in harassment by transphobic bigots.\n\nBut people just _don't believe us_. They think we're lying or insane when we tell them our identity. They refuse to believe us when we tell them about how we feel or what we experience. This extends to our experiences with harassment and marginalization. \n\nAnd I gotta ask. What level are these discussions happening on? Are people discussing up-to-date peer reviewed research? Are they talking statistics? Are they even on the level of the basic recommendations offered by organizations like the AMA? _Are they fuck_. They're still pissing about trying to understand how a man invading women's spaces and disguising himself as a woman to assault women could be transphobic. (Hint: that character is what many TERFs think trans women are already.) Overwhelmingly, they aren't aware that TERFs, as a movement, have no clear goals beyond the marginalization of LGBTQ people - specifically trans people, but they also have some _interesting_ thoughts on bisexuals. \n\nI'm sorry for the rant. But I hope you can understand _why_ trans people are so hostile to \"questions and ideas about the subject of gender\". It's because, all too often, those ideas and questions aren't meant as ideas and questions, but as cudgels to beat us with.", "It's factually incorrect and stupid besides.", "If you know it's bad, _why do you do it_", "I could show you a Katt Williams clip right now that if you changed the word \"white people\" to any other race or sexual orientation would have garnered the exact reaction you're giving right now.\n\nIt's absolutely factual and correct. Dave punched up and thus the reaction is absolutely enormous.", "Yeah, I agree with that for sure. Dave isn't inciting violence. I'll admit I didn't even know that was something people were arguing. I hate that everything has to be taken to extremes.", "There’s nothing I could do to convince you. All the information is freely out there. \n\nScientists are performing new gender studies all the time. It’s a google search away. And more and more the science is in direct opposition to your feelings. You don’t want to be convinced so you’ll never let yourself be convinced. Doing the research takes all of 10 minutes. And it would show that yes, you are just an asshole. A transphobic one. \n\nSorry for the ad hominem, it’s just that I really like ad hominems. You know how it is. 🤪", "Because someone who claims \"trans women are women\" probably isn't a TERF.", "What does 'the gender they want to appear as' mean? I thought gender was completely disentangled from sex, which is biology... in other words what we appear as. How does gender look like anything?", "nah, idtic sht, no such thing as defendx or rightx or underdogx or itargetx or etc, ceptuxyuaxitx, say, do, be, out etc, can say, do, be, out etc any nmw and any s perfect, just ux are inferiox, uxitx no exprx sht", "> There’s nothing I could do to convince you.\n\nof what do you want to convince me? \n\n>All the information is freely out there.\n\nfreely.. not so much. Most academic knowledge is locked behind paywalls and whats disseminated to us is censured by biased parties.\n\n> Scientists are performing new gender studies all the time. \n\nand only the ones that conform to your world viewpoint and dont hurt your feelings seem permitted to be disseminated. All of the superior peer reviewed science of the past is somehow bad because your fee fees are hurt. \n\n>It’s a google search away. \n\nGoogle is part of the problem.\n\n>And more and more the science is in direct opposition to your feelings. \n\nMy feelings? You mean direct opposition to the scientific method. \n\n>You don’t want to be convinced so you’ll never let yourself be convinced. \n\nI don't want to be brainwashed by unscientific propaganda. \n\n>Doing the research takes all of 10 minutes. And it would show that yes, you are just an asshole. A transphobic one.\n\nOH NO! Not the T-Word!\n\n>Sorry for the ad hominem,\n\nNo you're not\n\n> it’s just that I really like ad hominems. You know how it is. \n\nI know how it is with people like you.", "wrg,idts, no such thing, itx etcx just idtic, ceptitxux, say, laugh any, can say, laughx nmw s perfx, just ux underdogx etc, worthlx", "Where in the clip does he apply pressure for Dice to stop? Time stamp it for me.", "Going against what scientific method? What are you referring to?\n\nAlso, I love that you are 100% sure of your convictions while admitting that you don’t give yourself access to good information.", "Please don't bother.", "scientific method\n\n[ˈˌsīənˈtifik ˈmeTHəd]\n\nNOUN\n\na method of procedure that has characterized natural science since the 17th century, consisting in systematic observation, measurement, and experiment, and the formulation, testing, and modification of hypotheses.\n\nAny \"science\" someone like you would believe in almost certainly doesn't follow the scientific method.\n\nedit: in response to the incomprehensible response below me since the thread has been locked, no, I neither love or hate ad hominems, I simply call them out. \"Someone like you\" isn't an ad hominem. There's no \"Gotcha\" here for you.", "I guess that’s an answer. Seems more like an ad hominem, and you hate those, right?\n\nNot sure if you’ll see this but \n\n“any “science” someone like you would believe in almost certainly doesn’t follow the scientific method”\n\n is absolutely an ad hominem attack. It’s based on nothing, you don’t know me, it’s just you talking shit.", "Ok, so I guess we ought to take your internet away and send you to live as physically far away from electronics then?", "Comedians typically are writers at the foundation.\n\nAnd I would imagine most would pick Carlin as 1 of their top 3.\n\nKeep being bitter for unknown reasons except to you homie.\n\nLike I said elsewhere in this thread, Carlin didn't get 10+ HBO specials by accident.\n\nAgain, where are.you performing standup since you seem to act like you speak for all seasoned standup comedians everywhere?\n\nCarlin is a household name, you however....", "Right. Now time stamp the part where he pressures him to stop.", "I don’t understand what that means. What is “biology shaming”?", "Ever heard of intersectionality? That's not at all what's happening.", "No, and that is not what he is saying. Do you seriously not get that?", "That's what I thought. If he had said some anti-black shit in his early career you'd think it'd be coming up now with this new controversy. You'd think there'd be news articles of black people boycotting his show. There's nothing there, that's why you can't name anything anti-black that he's said.", "I did watch it. I don’t know if he’s really “punching” anywhere in the sense that his jokes/observations were malicious. However, I disagree with this point about what punching down is.\n\nNo one is criticizing Chappelle on the assumption that trans people are inferior to him or anything of that sort. They’re saying that they’re already marginalized, dismissed, mocked, discriminated against, etc. and he - with some degree of power due to his popularity and platform - was basically piling on. \n\nAgree or disagree with that logic, that’s what their argument is; not you have to be superior to someone to punch down.", "You are arguing in bad faith, making ridiculous accusations, and intentionally misinterpretating. I'm going to address your BS, and then I'm not going to engage further unless you act reasonably. \n \n> No. They don't... \n \nYes. They do. \n \n> Being a terf means you've essentialized the gender through biology. \n \nNo. It doesn't. TERF is about excluding trans messaging from feminism, not discrediting nor denying trans individuals anything. \n \n> The argument they use... \n \nThat's *an* argument that some use when it's relevant to the larger point of messaging. It is hardly the only argument. \n \n> ...youre basically saying everyone who's read this book experienced the same thing as if there were no nuance or possible alternate interpretations. \n \nUtter bullshit. Stop intentionally misquoting me. I'm not even going to address why that's ignorant because I know you're smart enough to know exactly why it was horrible while you typed it. \n \n> What does that mean? There's no single....soapbox. \n \nIt means that fighting for equality and fighting for acceptance are qualitatively different. And, there is value in fighting for one thing at a time. For example, this was the failure of the OccupyWallStreet movement -- too many causes, disjointed goals, confused demands from disorganized groups, etc. I'm not necessarily agreeing that they can't be combined (that's not my place); but denying there isn't logic in separating them seems silly, and attributing that to hatefulness is absolutely, flat out illogical and morally wrong. \n \n> Youre pretending like theres this dichotomy in order so you dont have to share the spotlight with this \"other\" and not have to bring up \"their\" issues and therefore compel their silence. \n \nAgain, utter bullshit. Pretending that I'm a bigot for disagreeing with you is genuinely horrible. There is dichotomy. There is reason to focus a spotlight on particular issues -- as I already explained. If the light gets too broad, it gets washed out, and it becomes unnoticeable. That's literally why spot lights exist. Further, pretending that I'm casting trans as others is as wrong as it is shitty. You don't know a damn thing about me, which brings us to.... \n \n> Youre limited life experience is the standard. \n \nI've been fighting for LGBT rights for 25 years. My closest friend transitioned in HS in the 90s. I've gone to protests, sit ins, court, city council and HOA BS. Don't assume ignorance when people disagree with you. It makes you seem ignorant. \n \n> This is a dogwhistle. \n \nUtter bullshit. \n \n> By pretending like theres some \"natural\" order to things, youre framing their identity as being [abhorrent]/weird. \n \nMore bullshit. I never did any such thing. That's the most illogical, asinine nonsense I've read all night. \n \n> This is the first thing that brain needs to do in order to enact tribal violence. We turn people into our own words for them, slurs, repositioning their identities to fit this cultural myth, like being easily offended. This dehumanization through cheap abstractions. \n \nYes, that is all accurate. However, it's not at all what anyone is doing. You pretending that it is is beyond ridiculous. I certainly never did any such thing, and I've never seen any feminist demonizing trans (well, not in the last decade or so, anyway). \n A\n> Youre arguing about these people's \"grand gestures\" to support trans people but want to reserve the right to call them by an already agreed upon arbitrary category. \n \nNo one cares about the category. That's the whole point of my argument. The difference is the quality of the struggle, the obstacles are qualitatively different. It's not the person; it's their struggle. Feminists aren't bringing gays or little people into their feminist struggles either -- that's not a slight against gays not little people. That's why it's LGBT and not Woman/Trans. \n \n> Thats weird. These concepts shouldnt be that foreign to you then. This is CRT and Gender Theory. What type of philosophy? \n \nI didn't say the concept weren't familiar. They are intimately familiar. I meant you could use complex concepts from the disciplines if it'd help. My focuses were ethics (pre-Law), demographics, and media. \n \nLastly, since your statements seemed entirely presumptive and intentionally horrible, consider yourself blocked if you continue in that fashion. Cheers.", "So a respectful disagreement is now social pressure? Damn man, you’re snowflake-y as fuck.", "No we're not", "Fucking lmao. Kids these days!! Bahgrabble Get Off My Lawn!!! Damn whippersnappers. Back in my day we could say whatever we want, now my kids don't visit me.", "YOU JUST DIDNT WATCH THE SPECIAL AND IF YOU WATCHED THE SPECIAL AND STILL DONT THINK DAVE’S ADMITTEDLY BEAUTIFUL CONNECTION WITH THAT ONE PERSON MAKES UP FOR HIS TERF STANCE THEN YOU SHOULD ALSO HEAR WHAT MY ONE BLACK FRIEND HAS TO SAY ABOUT IT", "It's basically almost 50 years at that point", "Lmao if you actually think that I feel bad for you. He's a moron and so are most of the people he has on. If you actually know anything about the stuff you know they are typically full of shit.", "Dave Chappelle is just not funny to me any more. I want a comedy special, not long and drawn out social commentary with maybe one joke ever ten minutes.", "What exactly is he piling onto, and why are trans people deserving of this protection, but black people aren't?", "No worries. I figured you just beat me to responding (after I responded). \n \nAlso, no need for you to find Reddit examples. After I knew what to look for, I found some ITT. \n \nI think we still disagree on Chappelle's culpability, but I at least understand your reasoning, too. I just cut him some slack because he definitely knew about her PTSD and the bullying because they joked about it together, but I doubt he knew about her losing her job and custody of her kid. Those latter two seem way more significant, and I think he'd have mentioned them if he knew, unless he didn't want to dive that deep out of respect for the family. That's a sensitive area that any decent person would be very careful with. Anyway, I doubt we'll agree here without knowing more, and I doubt we'll ever know much more. It basically boils down to how much credit we're willing to give, which is entirely subjective. Still, I appreciate your clarifying link. Cheers.", "You mean your principles are just being a racist?", "I mean let’s not change the argument.. nobody at all said trans people aren’t bullied online, of course they are. They’re arguing whether she was bullied by other lgbtq people for supporting Dave..", "If you leave a topic/people in the dark you let it fester. Itch it. Let it be known. Otherwise it manifests. It mutates into something else. For example sexuality, if you make is something dark and taboo, something we are not allowed to talk about it becomes dark and taboo. You assign it a role. It's dark and taboo. Jokes allow people, who may not be able to rectify their feelings, a medium for accepting who they are and acceptance of others.", "I love you", "Then enlighten me, oh wise one.", ">You'll find an audience, I bet.\n\nand you'll find an audience making fun of majorities, literally a typical spez level hypocrite racist, wild.\n\n>It's almost like there's a correlation between being part of the majority and being part of the powerful and wealthy.\n\nHuh so since half of the top 10 billionaires are jews and there are more Asians than whites that makes those groups the majority? Feels like I'm talking in circles around your dumb logic.\n\n>Yup.\n\nDoubt.", "Now you're stretching is just embarrassing to read. \n \nYou out fake words in Chappelle's mouth, and I aptly mocked your BS with more fake words. \n \nNo one forgot non-white transgenders existed. Slaves didn't have the luxury of being trans, genius. They had no autonomy. \n \nYour apparent illiteracy does not [re]enforce any of your errant perceptions of harmfulness in his jokes. \n \nYou didn't even use Dunning Kruger correctly, and literally no one said black nor gay communities were separate nor at odds. You're propping up a while lot of strawmen for having not priced together a single coherent nor correct argument.", "> ...vast majority... \n \nLol. No. A few people misinterpreted and a few bad actors are intentionally misinterpreting for nefarious purposes. They are absolutely not the majority. Not even close. \n \nYou're right that's why Chappelle stopped his show; you're wrong to assume he'd agree with you that he wasn't clear enough. He's seen his most crystal clear sentiments get distorted time and time again, including since his return.", "Just because you agree with Daves JOKES doesn't make you transphobic. And this is just the bull shit he was talking about. Get over yourselves", "None of that was facts", "How is that related to being a TERF?", "What was a bigger demographic?", "Saying \"female\" experience, just as saying the \"black\" experience, nescissates a monolith of experience. That is what youre arguing about. This is a bad argument. \n\n>but denying there isn't logic in separating them seems silly\n\nThis is an imaginary problem. The issues that they LGBT people face all come from the same heteronormative culture. People that want to \"separate\" themselves from trans issues dont want to advocate for them. They want to feel like theyre not obliged to have solidarity. Terf-ism is based onthe rejection of the concept, they dont believe in being able to transition, they call them men always and reinforce the culture that marginalizes them. This is why its hate.\n\n>However, it's not at all what anyone is doing.\n\nYou keep trying to reframe this but youre ignoring the fundamental thing that animates these beliefs which is a denial of transwomen. \n\nYou can still be racist if youre not committing violence, racism is the violence of cultural disownership. Thats what this is. Disownership. \n\nIts LGBT all together for a reason. Solidarity.", "Just because he put a lot of time and thought into it doesn't make it facts or right. It was all bull shit and only their take on what Chappelle was saying. And they were completely wrong with it. They missed the whole point Chapelle was trying to say. This shit is ridiculous.", "It was all his opinion. Nothing was fucking water tight points. The fuck are you talking about.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l4JpI0nwf8\n\nWhere's the secret message in this shit?\n\nIt's all just hate, slurs and machismo. \n\nQuit playing 4-d Chess with your own brain. Three and a half minutes of nothing but praising lynching, homophobia and sheer hatred. Read the comments, they agree completely. The point of the character is being able to say this more extreme stuff. Bad comedians have made a killing out of just being extremely cruel or inhuman to their targets for decades. And if he's got some greater point, he sucks at it, he had 3 and a half minutes to get to it. \n\nDon't praise someone for sucking at their job. \n\nYou know what the difference is between Marshal Mathers and Slim Shady? Slim Shady gets away with saying the stuff Marshal Mathers thinks.", ">And then the trans community got mad as shit, they started calling her a TERF. I didn’t even know, what the fuck that was. But I know that trans people make up words to win arguments. So I looked it up. TERF is an acronym. It stands for Trans-exclusionary radical feminist. This is a real thing, this is a group of women… that hate transgender. They don’t hate transgender women but they look at trans women the way we Blacks might look at Black face. It offends them like, “Oh, this bitch is doing an impression of me.” Now I shouldn’t speak on this because I’m not a woman nor am I a trans. But as we’ve established… I am a feminist. [laughter] That’s right. I’m team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact.\n\nThen a few minutes later he also says,\n\n>Gender is a fact, this is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on Earth had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on Earth. That is a fact. Now… I am not saying that to say, that trans women aren’t women. I’m just sayin, that those pussies that they got… You know what I mean?", "He always did a ton of material about crackheads and life in the ghetto.", "He never says that even once.", "Dude you really can't have an opinion on the special until you have seen it. Although I bet that is 50%of the people in this thread.", "You didn't even watch the special. He says it word for word.", "Only one shouting \" im being silenced\" is you dude.", "And the irony is that he claims his real issue is with people who hide behind privilege... not like this white billionaire with a ton of power and influence. After all, she sold all those books so...", "Basically everything. Dave has angry old boomer energy lately. It’s like George Carlin said in the interview above; traditionally good comedy has punched up, not down. It doesn’t really matter if his points are valid, or built upon logic, etc. because the people who are being offended are a small powerless minority. And he self admits that he’s antagonistic to that community and that they hate him. And he continues to poke at it.\n\n And the worst part is there is almost no excuse for Dave anymore. He’s been so embroiled in this conflict (his jokes towards the trans community have been going on for years now) that there is no way he hasn’t had an opportunity to learn how to talk to this community with respect, but yet here we are and he’s still making jokes at their expense. \n\n It’s out of touch.", "Nope, he didnt.\n\nI just said the same thing to someone else in this thread.\n\nThe closest he ever gets is when he says that he won't say they aren't women.... but... which is the classic move to try to defend a following ignorant statement.\n\nHe also, right before that showed he doesn't think the identities of trans men are valid. He referred to many of them as women.\n\n>Gender is a fact, this is a fact. Every human being in this room, every human being on Earth had to pass through the legs of a woman to be on Earth. That is a fact. Now… I am not saying that to say, that trans women aren’t women. I’m just sayin, that those pussies that they got… You know what I mean?\n\nThis not even talking about the terrible things he said a TERF believe before he said he agreed with them.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nI can send you the transpscript to look through if you like.\n\n&nbsp;\n\n&nbsp;\n\nEdit: reply to comment below \n\nYes they would call a trans women a women. People say things they don't believe all the time, especially to preserve some moral goodness or to save face or to hide more shameful views. \n\nHe showed many times that he doesn't think trans identities are valid when his wording wasn't as simple as just using the one word \"women\".\n\nHis special is also currently being used as a beacon of truth by people saying as such. If he cared at all, why wouldn't he be denouncing and correcting them?", "Holy shit you are the only person in here with any real intelligence. I'm trying to make the same points as you but these people are taking his 8part rant as fucking facts and praising him like messiah, yet it is literally only his opinion also. This shit is ridiculous. Yet me and you are the people trying \"to silence people\". 😂... Also, no you never mentioned silencing anyone you have only brought intelligent discussion into this thread. No one else even understood his special and just got instantly butt hurt. It's like everyone is trying to \"out-PC\" everyone else. \"no man I'm so more woke than you.\"", "> and you'll find an audience making fun of majorities, literally a typical spez level hypocrite racist, wild.\n\nIt keeps amusing me that you make this whole thing about race. No one here was talking about race except you. Might blow your mind, but there are other kinds of majorities and minorities, y'know?\n\n> Huh so since half of the top 10 billionaires are jews and there are more Asians than whites that makes those groups the majority? Feels like I'm talking in circles around your dumb logic.\n\nYou're slowly learning how context works. Nice.\n\nNow you just need to learn that talking about majorities and minorities is not a thing that makes sense when you have literally only ten people in your group. The word to learn here is \"variance\".", "Thank you CockGoblinReturns.\n\nDry up people. You can appreciate the work that went into these comments and still laugh at the fact that their name is CockGoblinReturns.", "He was perceived to be piling onto what I mentioned in that very same sentence.\n\nThe second question is an interesting one, though. The unspoken rule is that if you’re part of [insert group defined by race, gender, etc. here] you’re free to say things about that group. It seems like the underlying assumption is that no harm is meant. “How could they be bigoted about their own race?” Idk about that assumption. I’ve heard some super racist shit about black people from white people AND black people.", "Dude the people in this thread are fucking ridiculous. They can't understand context or nuance or probably basic addition...", "Yeah it is 3rd grade stuff if you are getting your feelings hurt over what people say you sure are correct about that. There is this thing called, \"get the fuck over it\".", "You ok, bud?", "I'm feeling perfectly safe to tell you you're absolutely fucking stupid. I'm also feeling perfectly safe saying that Dave Chapelle isn't being silenced when he has a fucking Netflix special talking about how silenced he feels.\n\nI can't say the same about transpeople's ability to speak up without fear of harassment, death threats and violence.", "I'm not saying it's a good joke, a funny joke, a clever joke, or a joke that anybody should be telling. What I am saying though is that it is clearly identifiable as a joke because it is has an element of subverting the generally accepted assertion that the Hitler was an all around bastard. \n\n'Trans women are not real women' has no identifiable elements of a joke.\n\nChappelle said \"I’m team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact.\" That isn't a joke, there are no elements of a joke. He follows it up with some stuff about Caitlyn Jenner which is clearly a joke. But his first statement is just that, a statement about his personal beliefs. He shouldn't be able to hide behind 'it's just comedy' if he is standing on stage and plainly stating his personal beliefs.", "No. That person specifically argued that Daphne was not bullied, regardless of reason, as have many others ITT. \n \nBut, sure, your point is reasonable; that's definitely a fair question. When I look at [her Tweet](https://twitter.com/DaphneDorman/status/1166802929363243008?s=20)s, and those hateful tweets that were deleted, it's impossible to know their authors' genders or sexual preferences... \n \n...which seems like a perfectly good reason to assume her friend was lying about her being bullied online. ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)_/¯ \n \nIf it helps you confirm your biases, my trans friends get random crap from non-LGBTs and LGBTs. Go ahead pick whichever you want to believe the most. Assumptions are fun.", "That’s the point broski. But I’m not searching the internet for some sketches out of like thousands just for you. \n \nBelieve what you will", "You realize that your whole argument is an insane slippery slope fallacy? Like textbook case.\n\nIf race dysphoria was an actual thing then, yes, we would address it if possible to make people healthy and happy, because what does it cost you except your weird rigid definitions? But it’s not, and you using that argument is literally an absurdity straight from South Park. These arguments have been used for ages against the LGBT community to gaslight our experiences. “If men marry, why not incest? Why not animals?”\n\nIt’s absolutely bizarre that your concern over the concept of gender is that it’s discovered through introspection and then self affirmed. There are an endless numbers of conditions that are diagnosed primarily this way. We diagnose schizophrenia, anxiety, depression, bipolar, and… surprise, homosexuality almost exclusively based on how people express themselves, without fully understanding the complex nature of the biology behind these phenomena. \n\nYes, we understand that serotonin, dopamine, and epinephrine all interact in some way to affect these things, but to this day we do not know their defined mechanisms! We don’t go, oh, your dopamine is below our established KPI, BAM, depressed! Instead, we diagnose primarily on observed behavior and self attesting.\n\nWhy should someone’s gender be defined any differently? What would convince you that it is important to do so? An image of a brain that looks structurally similar to a professed gender identity? Because those are already beginning to appear.\n\nThe research into gender dysphasia is in its infancy when compared to more common conditions, and I expect there to only be more distinctions down the road, but even if there’s not, who cares! It costs you nothing expect your … uh, what was it again… metaphysics? Your objective worldview?\n\nGimme a break.", "Lmao you are too stupid to even get his special and you think I care what you think of me? And you really think Chapelle thinks he is silenced? Man... 😂\nYou really didn't get his special...", "I actually looked it up. You're right. I misremembered that part of the special.\n\nA TERF wouldn't call a Trans woman a woman though, which he does at several times through the special.", "\"I don't care,\" shouts angry man very much caring. How convincing.", ">There is no point in having a right if it is never exercised. \n\nYet again you are demonstrating that you just do not understand what you are talking about.\n\nYou have the right to be an asshole in public. So long as your behaviour does not rise to the level of criminality, you can be an unpleasant jackass all day long to everyone you meet. That is your right as an American citizen. \n\nDo you think you should exercise that right? Is there no point in having that right if you choose not to exercise it?\n\nCarlin didn't want the right to call women cunts because he wanted to call women cunts. He wanted the right to call women cunts because he was talking about free speech as a broader issue.\n\nThat is what you can't or won't grasp. He isn't actually advocating calling women cunts, he is advocating for the right to free speech.\n\nIt's baffling that you don't seem to grasp that.", "I am aware that the specific person being referenced is Andrew dice. \n\n\nWhat you are obfuscating is that it applies perfectly, like old leather, to Dave.", "That... That isn't what I said... But I already know your understanding of the English language is basic at best.", ">Clay started off 'the diceman' as a character but eventually adopted that character into his whole personality.\n\nThere's a lot of indication that that's how we work. We are what we do, even if we do it ironically or for a bit, the neuronal paths get exercised and become easier to traverse. Then it's like ironing out a wrinkle.\n\nI think we're just lucky it works with good, healthy behaviors, too. Pretend to be the person you want to be.", "Link to it an I will.", "> Saying \"female\" experience, just as saying the \"black\" experience, nescissates a monolith of experience. \n \nLarge groups of women absolutely have shared grievances and common goals. Those who don't share the goals can opt out of striving for them. Those who share the goals can join in -- even if they're L, G, B, or T, or men, or kids, etc. AS LONG AS THEY ARE ADVOCATING FOR THE SAME GOAL. That is the point that you have repeatedly ignored. \n \n> That is what youre arguing...bad argument. \n \nNo it wasn't (again). But, sure, it'd be bad argument. \n \n> This is an imaginary problem. \n \nI agree, but that irrelevant. It's still a problem they face whether it's made up or not. The Irish used to be called non-white, but that didn't make their oppression any less real. Nowadays, the Irish are considered just as \"white\" as any other European descendant, and someday, people will probably feel the same about sex and gender -- but, that doesn't mean the Irish united with women for equal pay or, idk, abortion rights....because, again, they face different battles in the general public. \n \n> The issues that they LGBT people face all come from the same heteronormative culture. \n \nYes. Sure. Still irrelevant. \n \n> People that want to \"separate\" themselves from trans issues dont want to advocate for them. \n \nThat is absolutely atrocious logic. It explains why you're so filled with hate. \n \n> They want to feel like theyre not obliged to have solidarity. \n \nAgain, no. \n \n> Terf-ism is based onthe rejection of the concept, they dont believe in being able to transition, they call them men always and reinforce the culture that marginalizes them. \n \nJfc, absolutely not. \n \n> This is why its hate. \n \nIt would be hate if even a word of that were remotely true. None of that was accurate at all. \n \n> You keep trying to reframe this but youre ignoring the fundamental thing that animates these beliefs which is a denial of transwomen. \n \nAgain, not even close. Plenty of us fully understand gender dysphoria. Understanding that still does not equate trans and feminist movements. The goals remain different. \n \n> You can still be racist if youre not committing violence, racism is the violence of cultural disownership. \n \nYes. That's true. \n \n> Thats what this is. Disownership. \n \nFor the dozenth time, no it is not. Not even close. There is no logical basis for that argument. \n \n> Its LGBT all together for a reason. Solidarity. \n \nYes. Exactly, because their goal is the same: acceptance. And, I and every feminist I've ever met, and Dave Chappelle, will always support all LGBTs in their fight for acceptance.", "Chappelle is expressing a personal opinion, and a comedic opinion, not a “professional” opinion.", "> Regardless it being a \"character\" doesn't make it any less awful.\n\nIt being a character can make it less awful if the character has some kind of moral arc that makes sense of the earlier bad behavior.\n\nBut when the point of the character is just to line the comedians pockets, than you're right, it is still just as awful.", "Fuck are you talking about dude? :D\nI've been a huge fan of both since the 90s when I first got into comedy. I was explaining why they tend to be overlooked as the person I replied to was saying. And yes, Carlin was a huge success, but his style in the later half of his career was not joke oriented in any typical sense. It was more lyrical, and based around attitude and style, rather than clever joke-writing (setup, punch, tag, callback etc) What made him and Hicks stand out was not being funny as much as being cool and profound. They, along with Lenny Bruce and Richard Pryor are people of major social importance and absolutely deserve to be recognised as such. But they are also far from having the consistently funniest bits throughout standup history.", "How would he be piling on? He wasn't doing any of those things, he was recognizing the humanity of trans people.", "Oh undeniably great pacing and stage presence!", "Because you can literally read the comments in this thread and half of them point out the jokes that they thought were in poor taste.", "Huh, I didn’t pick up on the satire", "What you are laughably wrong about is that it applies at all to Chappelle's specials. \n \n...old leather is a weird thing to analogize.", "the people who propped her up and gave her platform and voted her women of the year should be ashamed not the LBTQ community.", "I only want to listen to people who ARE willing to make fun of everyone. Nothing should be off limits IMO. This is like saying you shouldn’t do art about certain subjects. Of course you should. \n\nNot joking about a deadly pandemic and not joking about someones sexuality/gender seems a bit different, but I take your point.", "Don't know what gave you that impression." ]	4,685	videos	George Carlin on Larry King explaining the Dave Chappelle situation almost 40 years ago.
https://youtu.be/G1g6-dmTPds	/r/videos/comments/qgadcj/if_ted_lasso_was_in_a_saw_movie/	[ "This is actually gold. We all need a Coach Lasso in our lives.", "Really excellent writing!", "Fantastic! If Jason Sudeikis sees this I bet he'd laugh.", "Excellent writing lol", "Apples and oranges.", "Man thank you for sharing this" ]	6	videos	If Ted Lasso Was In A Saw Movie
https://youtu.be/B6jGX3fT_fU	/r/videos/comments/qgae9g/maximus_vs_the_undefeated_gladiator_2000/	[ "That full face mask gotta hold back your visibility but he never stood a chance against Maxipad", "If you get stabbed in the foot like that, do you spit up blood? I thought initially it was a hit to the face, but with the faceplate down, I'm not sure there would be that kind of damage. I could see getting stabbed in the foot would cause you to vomit from pain, but blood?", "Yeah but \"All Action\", what kind of channel is that? Does it really have the right to these clips?\n\nOr.. is it stealing these clips and showing them on their channel for monetary gain, like a common street thug? \n\nSay it ain't so?", "Maybe already had some other injuries, hits to the body / deep wounds elsewhere. The sharp pain from him getting stabbed through the foot DID cause him to vomit, but it was blood from other injuries that came up?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n\\\\Edit:\\\\ Wait... he gets smashed in the face with a shield 5 seconds before he spits up blood?? It's definitely just blood from the face-smash that came out when he moaned. That metal face shield wouldn't protect from blunt force, it would protect from slashes / glancing blows.", "Yeah, it does kind of catch him right in the mask. It just appears though the blow to the foot caused the blood vomit. I wish that blow would have kept his visor up. I think that would have looked better.", "That can be said about every single movie clip on here, but they remain popular, so that's never going to stop. I personally love this movie/scene, so I wasn't unhappy to see it no matter how it got here. Lame? Yeah, pretty much.", "Yeah, looks like the blow is what caused it cause it was probably the order the scene was cut. I've seen this movie 1,000 times (favorite movie of all time) and I've noticed a few inconsitencies like this with how the scenes were cut together.\n\nI wonder if, originally, he was supposed to stab him in the foot and THEN smash him in the face. That would make that reaction make more sense.", "Good call, I think you're right.", "I'm not really here to comment on that I just wanted to share a really cool clip lol. \nIt's possible this guy is making money off of other people's work, but how do you know that there wasn't a copyright claim against the video or the guy makes any money at all off of it? It could be generating revenue and 100 percent would go the copyright strike owner" ]	9	videos	Maximus vs The Undefeated \| Gladiator - 2000
https://youtu.be/a4a1fhDAWcE	/r/videos/comments/qgbg69/just_following_orders/	[ "Weird. What does such a sign even mean?", "Stop, look, and make contact with oncoming drivers (wave) before crossing.", "Oh, I see. You're making sure you have their attention and they're not buried in their phone while they plow through the ped xing.", "Just Al being weird as usual.", "It took me way too long to realize his name is a play off NORMAL.", "Clicked on this thinking it was going to be a philosophical discourse on the banality of evil.\n\nNah. Just Wierd Al being himself lol.", "what the FUCK", "That guy is weird.", "Al's starting to look a bit like John Cleese", "Or… his name is Al and he’s weird.", "He’s funny in how ordinary and non-funny he is. Love him", "Either he’s getting old or I’m getting young, but he looks older than he did when I watched him 20 years ago", "He turned 62 just a few days ago.", "I found it amusing during the Hot Ones interview with Weird, youtubers were complaining how it was weird someone named Weird Al was eating chicken wings. Like their expectations of him eating wings normally were weirdly not met.", "Holy shit dude" ]	15	videos	Just following orders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI0qiUHBuUA&ab_channel=JoshRobertThompson	/r/videos/comments/qgbigk/george_lucas_protests_the_force_awakens/	[ "Lookin' good for his age! /s", "He needs to be protesting from on top of his big pile of Disney Dollars.", "He can't because he gave almost all of the 4+ billion he made from the sale to charity, specifically education.", "Reports say he’s made $10 billion since the sale. I don’t how much more than the nearly $4 billion he gave to philanthropy, but it appears he’s still got enough Mouse Money to go Scrooge diving whenever he feels like it. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.", "We all know Rich Evans is the true Lucas.", "Well he's also making a [museum](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV3ncpa9CcM) that looks like a spaceship so that's cool too. But yeah you're right he certainly still has McDuck money, also a giant stained glass dome on his house that was made by a guy that cucked his then wife.", "I like how I recognized the Anaheim convention center from the first 2 seconds of the video." ]	7	videos	George Lucas protests The Force Awakens
https://youtu.be/ys5i0q5T_RU	/r/videos/comments/qgbrxd/the_kid_comes_with_me_my_2021_pumpkin_carving/	[ "That’s so cool!", "Wow, I did some pumpkin carving back in the day but this is a whole other level!\n\nMy wife would totally love this. Any tips on execution? Any template that you used?", "This is amazing! Love it!" ]	3	videos	"The kid comes with me. " My 2021 pumpkin carving time lapse.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HhJlag0Ji7c	/r/videos/comments/qgc0rz/clint_eastwood_singing_beyond_the_sun_on_the_tv/	[ "Rollin’ rollin’ rollin’ …", "they hatin' hatin' hatin'....", "Clint is a huge Jazz fan. He use to play a little piano and I think a bit of trumpet back in the day.", "I bet he would have been real good had he the chance to play on a normal sized piano!", "I wonder if he actually sang it. Sounds so generic that it could easily be dubbed.", "Move 'em on!", "If you liked that.\n\n[https://youtu.be/zRmoT3DVufs?t=56](https://youtu.be/zRmoT3DVufs?t=58)", "That was definitely Clint, the original submission was questionable. Thanks! TDLR clint cun sang.", "Yes, it’s his actual voice singing the song.", "Years ago I watched Paint Your Wagon pretty much because of the reference to it on The Simpsons, surprisingly I really enjoyed every minute of it. One of those great lazy rainy Sunday afternoon movies which was a good thing because that was the situation when I watched it." ]	11	videos	Clint Eastwood singing 'Beyond the Sun' on the TV series Rawhide. Aired March 2, 1962
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qgc1fj/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qgc1fj/deleted_by_user/	[ "....What's goin on?", "Hmmm...not that bad, still in tune for a drunk guy", "I'm genuinely curious if he speaks English at all. The syllables that he enunciates give the impression that he's focusing on the sounds and not the words. He's definitely drunk, but it reminds me of that Italian disco song that was just vaguely-American-sounding gibberish. \n\nNo shade intended; I'm an ethnocentric, monolingual American after all." ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsWcc-9KMEc	/r/videos/comments/qgcocx/the_tourist_trap_europes_highway_sticker_scam/	[ "This is an ingenious tourist trap and money making scam.", "Why does the government lease the land to scam artists?", "Or simply why allow this to continue if marking it up is an illegal practice? Someone getting kickbacks? $5/car adds up fast.", "I have lots of questions about the legality of this, too.", "Looks like from the comments, the Gov terminated the lease so the scammers are gone", "I'm so used to never looking at YT comments that I missed that. This is wonderful news!", "Only after they were caught, I'm sure. If it really was state owned property, there is no way the government didn't know exactly what this company was doing on it. My guess is someone was buddy-buddy with some official. Straight up corruption is the only plausible explanation here.", "This video resulted in the goverment acting! \nCheck out this update he posted on YouTube. https://www.youtube.com/c/HONESTGUIDE/community \n\n> BIG UPDATE!!! After publishing our newest video, things started to move and the Departments of Highway & Roads decided to terminate the contract with these \"exchange-highway-sticker-offices\"! We're really happy that visitors of the Czech Republic will once again have a safer experience! Thank you for your support! \n> Janek & Honza", "A successful influencer!", "The answer is ...MONEY ?!?", "The 17€ I paid here made me think it wasn't worth taking the highways to cross Czech between Vienna and Dresden, so I usually drove smaller roads. Thanks!", "I would say: Big deal. Only 5 Euro extra for the service to buy at the border, in Euro's, instead of local currency.", "I'd guess that the initial pitch was currency exchange and to enable the sticker purchase with foreign cash because the kiosk only accepted card, and credit cards are less popular in some european countries.", "Can this guy go to the Eiffel tower and Sacre Coeur and expose the thousands of scammers that hang out there with the tacit approval of the police? Asking for a friend", "I'd really like to go to eastern Europe, but then I see these tourist scam videos and all my enthusiasm is instantly tempered.", "My guess is it is a loophole, so that it isnt technically illegal. The fee is probably considered for the currency exchange and the fee for them to print it out for you. Whomever makes the decision for the government is probably getting a cut", "Government probably doesn't want the rest of the world to see they can be scammed in their country. Makes sense, nice work from the youtuber", "Let's not pretend these scams are specific to eastern Europe.\n\nA small tip if you ever visit Czech republic - do not call it an eastern European country, the locals might not be super keen on hearing that.", "I'm not much for travel-- I even avoid going into the city despite it being a great place full of culture and interesting sights half an hour away. I'm naturally a homebody.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBut if you really want to travel and you're doing it in a safe way and can afford it with all the necessary precautions in place (all your passports and paperwork, vaccines, all the travel insurance if it's advised), then go ahead and do it. The city near me has its share of scam artists and wandering grifters at times and even I, born and raised here, got tricked at least once. It doesn't mean the city's all terrible.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIf you're really worried, search up on \"tourist scams\" on Reddit and read up. You can post on different city's subreddits for friendly advice if you explain. People that love their nations and cities don't want tourists taken advantage of. It gives such a terrible impression. You can't avoid 100% of scams, but you can familiarize yourself with enough to spot it. Outside of scams like this, telling people you have no money on you usually works. Situational awareness is also a must, even when in familiar settings, so it goes double for places outside of your comfort zone.", "Not sure if this is the same channel, but one channel I believe did get one of those shady exchange shops removed from Prague!", "Definitely scammy, but the kiosk does technically perform a service. If you want to buy a sticker with cash then it doesn't look like the machine can do it for you. Particularly if you're paying in euros rather than czech money. They're just hitting you with a big markup. I'm not fundamentally opposed to running a business like that.\n\nThe messed up part is that many people won't realize there's a machine and will be tricked into using the kiosk. I also wouldn't be surprised if the kiosk people broke the machine to drive up business.", "To be fair, I found far more scammers in popular European places like Paris and Rome than I did in Prague. \n\nAnywhere there are a lot of tourists, there will be scammers.", "Practically every popular tourist attraction in Europe and Asia is surrounded by scammers. They typically do the same tricks, so once you notice them you can ignore them. Like fake petitions, bracelets, pretty much anything that involves a stranger approaching you.\n\nIf you ignore them they will leave you alone.", "If you ever visit Prague, make sure you go to a beer bar and tell the bartender \"I love your Eastern European country! I also noticed you like Budweiser too! Have you tried the beer bath yet? I'm feeling a White Claw.\"", "Except the machines accept cards instead of cash and don't rip you off on the exchange rate.", "obviously the kiosk people break the machines, their business model practically depends on them not working.", "When my mum moved house she went to the first advertised results for changing her address for her driving licence and TV licence instead of the official ones, ended up paying around £80 overall when it's meant to be free. One of the sites even had a disclaimer along the top saying you could get it free by going direct, we had a conversation about properly checking things after that", "\"Do you speak English?\" I'll remember these scammers forever...", "Nice. There's still the Google paid ad component to this scam though.", "\"Can you hear me?\"\n\n\"No I don't\" \n\nLOL", "What do you mean? I must have missed that part.", "The digital vignette is an alternative to buying a physical sticker, but Google's top search result is a paid advertisement leading to some Polish company selling it at 19euro+.", "so what's the scam ?", "I feel like you could write a book. A book I would read.", "They tell a big story about their problems and ask for money then if they manage to receive some they move on to the next person and start over, then they do the same the next day, next week. They're always there.", "Had to look this up myself. Pretty decent read -> [https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/tourist-scams/do-you-speak-english-scam-in-paris](https://community.ricksteves.com/travel-forum/tourist-scams/do-you-speak-english-scam-in-paris)\n\nTLDR: Basically some are pick-pockets, others say you donate money to charity but really they pocket the money.", "dont like the thumbnail not watching", "answer in french and youre left alone", "...You have to pay for a sticker to drive on the highway in Europe?", "There's just as many tourist scams in every major European city as there are in the Czech Republic (which isn't even really Eastern Europe)", "it's the same concept as toll roads in North America, just with a sticker instead of a toll booth or transponder", "Prague is the sixth most visited city in Europe.", "The Czech Republic is in central Europe.", "So it's only for some highways in Europe?", "Ça ne fonctionne pas non. Ils connaissent le français souvent.", "if you make it assertively clear you are not playing (en francais) they will go for a tourist.", "Well of course it's easy to just ignore them. The bad part is there are so many.", "it's country-by-country, which is why these stations are at the borders. Usually applies to all highways within a country because basically the concept is that it's a sort of road tax -- you shouldn't have to pay taxes for the highways if you're not going to use them.", "When my kids hide and I'm supposed to find them I call out \"Is anyone in this room?\"... \"No\".", "Yeah not every country uses the vignette system but the ones that do tend not to have toll free highways.", "Everyone uses the highways regardless if you're driving on it or not. You get goods and services delivered to stores, and emergency services come to you. Saying you 'dont use them' is a boomer thing to say.", "That sounds dumb to me. Even if you don't personally use the highways, you depend on the highways existing to keep the rest of your country working properly.\n\nThe trucking industry will end up paying for highway stickers, they'll pass their costs along to the consumers, and you're right back where you started. Might as well cut out the overhead of ticket machines, enforcement, and inconvenience and get the money directly from taxes.", "The costs of shipping get passed on to the consumer either way, whether those include a road tax or not. The difference is that if the products you buy are a few cents more expensive due to the road tax, you're still only paying for what you've used. That's really the point of road tax schemes.\n\n\nEdit: for the record, you're paying a road tax in the US too, we just call it \"registration\" instead of \"vignette\" or \"road tax\" -- if you don't own a vehicle, you don't pay registration", "\n>You get goods and services delivered to stores\n\nYou know that's not free, right? That cost gets passed on to the consumer, including the cost of a road tax. There's no reason tax dollars need to be subsidizing corporations like that, since they're charging the consumer for it either way.\n\n>emergency services come to you.\n\n99% of the time that doesn't involve a highway, and I'm sure they're exempted from the road tax anyway, i.e. it's paid out of normal tax dollars", "Just pay your part. Stop being cheap", "Y'all are out of your damn minds lol. We can't have universal healthcare or a decent education system because y'all refuse to pay taxes, but somehow vehicle registration is where we draw the line because it might cut into Amazon's profit margins, since their entire business model is built on exploiting public infrastructure? Seriously, come the fuck on.\n\nIf you don't own a vehicle there is absolutely no reason you should have to pay vehicle registration. Cars have absolutely shredded the American social fabric and ruined our cities, and there is absolutely no reason that those who aren't part of the problem need to be subsidizing those who are.", "they tie a bracelet around you wrist and then demand payment. throw some herbs at you and demand payment. basically \"sell\" you something and then yell at you for not paying. People aren't fooled, just in shock and panic.\n\n\nnot sure the mechanics of the bracelet thing, but people I was with say they saw it. I saw a dude with bundles of herbs though.", "I'm used to sob stories here in the states after hitting enough late night gas stations", "google Aussie visa, so many scams on that one. google doesn’t give a flying fuck, just try to find the legit AU one is a pain.", "I have found a loud firm “fuck off!” In English works just fine. I’m always a very polite and reserved person, except for in tourist scammy areas like this.", "When I was a kid I remember all the sob stories by people outside of Detroit Red Wings and Tigers games looking for money. My dad always said just walk by them, so we did. Then the one time he stopped, and gave a couple bucks, so I asked \"why did he get some?\" To which my dad answered, \"you can't fake not having legs\".", "You have a point, but it's not registration. It's fuel taxes.\n\nRegistration is mostly about keeping track of licensing. The fee mostly just funds the DMV. Although it can sometimes also help fund certain city services depending on where you are.\n\nAnd I don't like fuel taxes either. It's a regressive tax. Nobody wants to raise normal taxes so they nickel and dime everyone with microfees. It's not about cutting back on fuel use either. Because if you own a hybrid or electric they charge you extra for all the fuel you're not using.", "Unrelated to this scam - this YouTube channel saved us from several common scams while we were visiting Europe. His channel is pretty useful if you are visiting Prague. Worth spending some time watching videos if you are considering a trip to that part of the world. Also Prague is amazing if you can avoid the tourist land mines.", "What's the point of a European Union if you get charged highway fees the second you go across a border?", "You totally can, by kneeling and tying your feet to your to your thighs, plus some baggy pants to conceal it. I've seen one in person, it's pretty convincing until you look too close, and most people won't.", "In Paris, they usually started the BS story in English, so my immediate (interrupting them) reply was that I don't speak English (which I said in either Italian or Spanish or German).", "Where can I find more like this? I’ll definitely check this guy out too though.", "They should probably deface those QR codes then, because anyone who sees the machine not working will scan the code.", "I mean we've all seen the TipToes trailer.", "holy shit, a bit late, but I actually have been to this exact office he showed first (I live in Vienna) a few times, last time in Summer 2020. Gonna be interesting to see how things are the next time I cross the border.", ">On their official government website\n\nhttps://www.gov.uk/apply-to-come-to-the-uk\n\nCan you show me where? Sounds like you clicked on a non-official site to me.", "It's in place of a toll booth, countries still have tolls for their motorways. The Schengen area allows for free travel across borders, this has nothing to do with crossing a border, it has to do with using a motorway.", ">not sure the mechanics of the bracelet thing, but people I was with say they saw it. I saw a dude with bundles of herbs though.\n\nHad the bracelet thing attempted on me. They start by engaging with you, asking benign questions like where you're from, how you're enjoying paris and that kind of thing.\n\nOnce they think they've gained enough of your trust they'll ask for you to put out your hand. Once you put your hand out they'll hold on to it and tie a piece of string to your wrist.\n\nThey then aggressively start demanding money for their string, at this point you're probably willing to give them 5 euros for them to fuck off. Absolute blight.", "https://web.archive.org/web/20190114173750/https://www.gov.uk/apply-to-come-to-the-uk\n\nThe site was no different in January of 2019. \n\nBut I wonder if this has something to do with it:\n\nhttps://www.politico.eu/article/uk-visa-firm-accused-of-government-contract-breach-over-sister-company-vfs-global-vdash-limited/", "The czechia is one of the most scammy places in Europe though. It's amazing how they try their best to do fool you at every step. This channel is sorely needed.", "Political corruption", "Don't go. Too many tourists already.", "They broke the machine on purpose to force you to use the kiosk.", "So at the end he says this company has been involved in some killings. Is he in danger now?", "I don't disagree with you about the fuel taxes, but the vignettes function more like registration than the fuel taxes because you don't buy one every time you use the highway -- for locals, it's once a year, and for tourists it's usually valid for about a week or 10 days or something like that.\n\n\n(Europe also has fuel taxes, and they are very high compared to the states)", "How much was the fine?", "Ah, Mr. Whitehall I see. And how is little Winston doing?", "This youtuber is great. His channel is full of scam busting from around Prague and the Czech Republic", "You probably paid for the full price of a yearly vingette which is 110/120 €. They’re bastards, they prey on unknowing people and they love to catch you right before the border.", "Not in \"Europe\", no. In some of the shithole countries, yes.", "You need them for parts of Germany and France, so it's kinda everywhere in Europe, not exclusively \"shithole countries\".\n\nEdit: what I said isn't correct. You don't need stickers for highways, but yo do need them in some special zones in cities though.", "I mean, government got its money either way, right? Plus this way they also got that 300-something euro a month.", "You don't need stickers to drive on the autoroute in France...", "I recall a documentary called \"Exchanging Spaces\" (or something like that) about a man named Billy-Ray doing just this.", "Whoops, you're right. Only for special zones in cities.", "/r/adserelies thought he was on a government website but it was the scammers. They design their pages to look official. Same with the ESTA scams in the US.", "I had a big burly guy in a Carhartt coverall, hard hat and safety glasses give me a sob story about missing the last train.\n\nIt was a very believable story. Not so much when I heard him tell it the next time.", "In Switzerland it costs 40CHF (43 USD), it's valid for 1 year, and realistically you use the highway often in Switzerland (which is excellent state btw, even though you often have only 2 lanes and it's still considered a highway). There is no toll.", "Don't worry it's profitable.", "‘Je ne parle pas anglais’ and walk on. You’re not obliged to give them anything.", "Nice Waffle House shirt!", "Went to Paris a few weeks ago after spending 3 weeks outside of Bruges Belgium (which was amazing btw). I don’t have any interest to ever visit Paris again. It’s like European New York and it’s insanely busy and dirty and I can’t speak French which is another whammy lol. Had fun for the three days I was there but never again. I atleast got to make my pilgrimage to see Jim Morrison’s grave and pay my respects🤍", "Jesus this is the most inefficient scam in the world… I wonder if they’d make more doing cold call sales. It’s like that key and peele skit about robbing a bank by working there for 40 years and collecting a paycheck.\n\nYou don’t see this that much in the US because American scammers don’t want those jobs, keep them in europe.", "lol, does that qualify as a scam?", "I would definitely call Prague a popular European place, it's pretty touristic (and very pretty).", "Wouldn't be so sure, many people aren't that tech savvy and won't assume you can do it with your phone. The code is also on the side. Pretty easy to look at the machine broken and go to the kiosk asking for help.", "Wait till you get handed a mixtape in Times Square.", "I live in a smallish city/metropolitan area, and these sorts of sob stories are always out in full daylight. They will come up to you INSIDE of the supermarket even.", "“Fucking BRUGES!?”", "Ostensibly they will wind up asking you for money.\n\nThe real goal is that while they have you distracted/annoyed, one of their accomplices picks your pockets.\n\nhttps://bonjourparis.com/practical-information/the-paris-pickpocket-how-to-recognize-and-avoid-them/\n\nThat's why you should not only not give these people money, if one of them approaches you don't stop or talk to them at all, put some distance between you and them, and be alert for others in the area.\n\nWhat sucks is they are everywhere in Paris. Particularly the two areas mentioned above, but can happen lots of places. Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P31UjWCnWS0", "I remember walking up to Sacre Coeur and some guy talking to me and then start trying to tie some string bracelet thing around my wrist. Are you kidding me? You think I'm just going to stand here literally with my hands tied by some dodgy fucker in pick pocket central? Took me a second of surprise before I laughed and nope'd the fuck away from that.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAnother time there I had been watching some videos of scammers a month or two previously, including one old romani woman saying she thinks you had dropped a gold ring and she was returning it to you. Well fuck me, the SAME WOMAN FROM THE VIDEO approached me and my friend, with the same ring scam! I just started laughing \"OMG It's the woman from the scam video!\" What are the odds. Highlight of my trip.", ">i just need enough money to take the bus", "It's always bus/train stations here.", "Someone was likely receiving a kickback, as he mentions at the end of the video there was likely organised crime involvement in the scam.", "If you aren't paying road tax/VED as a tourist its perfectly legit to ask for this, imo.", "It's hardly a reason to avoid an entire region of the world... scammers exist in every country.\n\nJust be smart", "Bit different in Europe where there is a decent chance you would end up subsidizing intranational commerce for no gain.", "Lol I like watched that before traveling there of course. But shit you not, second favorite place I’ve traveled to in Europe after Amsterdam", "I always thought it was really funny because the architecture and all the reasons the one character mentions as to why he thought it would be a cool city are totally legit. It does look awesome. But Collins character is just SO not into it haha", "Not in most countries.", "Must've hired the dude from Ticket Master", "My favorite line from Colin....”maybe if I grew up on a farm and I’s retarded, then yea, I s’pose brugge might impress me a bit”", "as somebody who is really into food and cooking, this is about how it feels every time I go to a mediocre restaurant with my mom or my in-laws and everybody raves about how good their menu is...", "I went to Venice Beach when I was probably eighteen. I was approaching a guy on the boardwalk who had headphones and a stack of CD's. I meant to pass by but he sort of intercepted me and thrusts a CD into my hands. He says something about how he's up-and-coming and here's my music, so I say, \"Oh, okay thanks!\" and keep walking.\n\nThe guy catches up with me and angrily demands money, saying it's not free. So I apologize and hand him the CD back. Like if you wanted me to pay for it then don't just thrust it into my hands like that.\n\nI guess the trick of people tying a string around your wrist is to make it harder to \"give back\" like with the CD. I guess this scummy practice is more common than I think.\n\nI should go back to Venice Beach in obnoxious touristy clothes (Hawaiian shirt and khaki cargo shorts?), and go play the rube to see what scams are popular nowadays. It might be good practice for Europe.", "Tourists generally spend a fair amount of money in the local economy, no? Maybe the \"F you, pay me\" booth isn't necessary? unless the tourist is just driving through non stop I suppose.", "If they're driving a car they're using the roads and the only tax revenue to the state would be fuel duty without this vignette, by charging it they at least claw back a little that citizens/residents also pay through road tax (VED).", "I'd stand there, cross my arms, and maintain eye contact until they left on their own", "I'd take the ring and throw it", "Why is Europe so packed to the brim with scam artists compared to the US?", "I am American and love in Europe. \n\nIs Europe packed to the brim with scam artists compared to the US? I personally don’t think so.", "Spoken like a person who doesn’t get the difference. Personally to me Central Europe is neither East or west.", "I lived in LA for a while and always told those guys I was actually a producer with a label. They wouldn't hound me for money when I gave them that speil. Sometimes you gotta grift the grifters", "They're breaking the law ffs", "lol, I posted this a month ago\n\nLooks like people didn't really get the nuance of my position. My point was that the kiosk technically offers a different function than the machine. If you wanted to buy a sticker with cash euros then the kiosk can do that for you as a combination currency exchange and sticker salepoint. The machine can't. That by itself is what I'm not fundamentally opposed to. Their rates are extortionate, but you don't have to use them and that's how it always is with stuff like this.\n\nThe only real problem is that people are tricked into thinking they have to use the kiosk. That's where regulations are needed.\n\nIt has been a month since I watched this video, but I believe their business was legal at the time, and regulations were starting to be introduced or something." ]	131	videos	The Tourist Trap: Europe's Highway Sticker Scam Exposed
https://youtu.be/eZH1tnWyrRY	/r/videos/comments/qgduii/dragon_force_just_released_a_new_music_video_and/	[ "Is the drummer Joey Fatone?", "This is the most I've ever seen.", "The intro riff is so close to Hangar 18 by Megadeth. They’re definitely taking some liberties from Steel Panther (music video wise), but don’t have the wit, charm or charisma to pull it off.", "Lmao everyone go read this guys post history and have a chuckle", "As someone who likes powermetal, the voice is a bit annoying and froggy but this type of video is a pretty nice move for the genre and reminds me of 90's MTV vibes, I'm in.\n\nObligatory [other type](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTW30Q4B3Go) of powermetal video xD", "All I can say after glancing at it is.... huh?", "Man I love this whole album. Can't wait to see what they do for cosmic power if the infinite Shred Machine.", "It’s actually not nearly as bad as I was expecting. Pretty tame compared to what often seems like half the folks on here.", "Am I the only one that got major Ghost vibes from this?\n\nThe chorus, the glam...but its still DragonForce.", "People use the word \"hilarious\" far too much.", "I was super into DragonForce in 6th grade. Then, as I got more and more into metal, I was told they were lame, entry-level and normie, effectively gatekeeping me out of enjoying one of the bands that got me into the genre. Thank you for reminding me that they are still awesome.", "Anyone with a modicum of 80s music knowledge can clearly see this is levelled as a ribbing/tribute to the songs of the time. Everything from the outfits, lyrics, style and video, the amount of bands they spoofed is hard to count. It has absolutely nothing to do with Steel Panther, who are themselves a mock tribute to hair metal. \n\n3 notes are Hanger 18, it is a mile off.", "ARE LIP RINGS BACK OR WERE THEY BEING IRONIC? IM ASKING FOR A FRIEND.", "I find it with a lot of videos where people hold this kind of thing in front of me as I awkwardly watch \n, most things are not as hilarious.", "Steel Panther does it better", "Aw Sweeeet Gloryhammer is great, although I have always wondered if commander Ralathor is the sub-commander because he is Angus's second in command or the leader of space submarine fleet.", "There’s two types of metal fans, the first that gatekeeps everything and calls people posers, the second that will happily sing along to all sorts of genres and air guitar in the street.", "Man, I do miss the days where we'd be chilling at a buddy's in front of his Compaq or HP or wtv and each one taking turns showing off the latest wacky or awesome music video we've seen. Great find OP!", " well I liked it", "Oh great, you and OP are gonna be responsible for me going on a powermetal kick. I've always enjoyed it, but never really got into it. I think it's time.", "Nice try Herman Li....", "I find it odd that they don't have a fulltime member that is a bassist.", "Humour is subjective. What can you do?", "Fuck those gate keeping motherfuckers.", "Reminds me of when Rob zombie played with baby metal a few years ago and people tried to come down on him for it. He was ripping them in comments for gatekeeping, it was hilarious.", "vai guitars lol", "Thats the unfortunate reality of the internet, people gravitate to the strongest word to describe emotions or reactions. It feels like words have become diluted, at least on the internet.", "Gatekeeping is the worst. And I used to do it all the time. Looking back o an embarrassed for myself. I used to gatekeep people listening to bands that were \"posers\". Not like that now!", "This is way better than I expected…. I’m now off looking into these guys… so good", "Metal fans are the worst at gatekeeping. Sometimes I think they don't even like some of crazy ass death/black metal bands they claim to enjoy. It's a dick measuring contest of who listens to the most badass metal.", "As opposed to cynical sarcasm, which is actually super original.", "Yep. Do you?", "Yes.", "Not really my kind of humor but it is truly an entertaining video. I'm glad they are having fun.", "Shameless share of my favourite (very underappreciated) band - Twilightning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDRZRfAXTMM&t=133s", "Perfect comment! You're a God among men!", "I see what you did there", "They should just paste this whole video somewhere in the middle of Kung Fury. It'd fit there nicely.", "Herman looks like he belongs!", "Power Metal is the WWE of the music world. It is cheesy, goofy, over-the-top, and the fans are THERE FOR IT. Always love the crowd at Power Metal shows.", "Now that was actually funny.", "It's giving me Night Flight Orchestra vibes, not in a bad way.", "This comment made me laugh more than the video, I guess it's the most hilarious comment of the year!", "its ok. [red fang's new video is better.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNMNytLQqR4)", "Sounds like David Hasselhoff's true survivor song with a bit of hair band thrown in.", "Dude baby metal is sick af", "The cheesier the power metal, the better.\n\nGimme fuckin' dragons and wizards, speedy solos, and over-the-top falsetto vocals.", "[Have some Japanese power metal.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxN3L2jrrEI)\n\nFun fact: they're playing the same song twice - once normally, and once in reverse (with some minor changes so it doesn't sound terrible).", "Check out their most well-known song, \"Through the Fire and the Flames\".", "You got it, friend: \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oclDVweTR4", "This fucking rocks!!!! Yeeeeee!!!!", "Those aren’t metal fans they’re just hipsters with a different costume. Real people who love metal and music won’t gatekeep - you listen to whatever gets your Johnson or Jennie hard and wet!!! Rock n’ roll boys and girls!!!", "God damn right!", "And man please never ever let anyone ever ruin that good vibe when it comes to you because life is short and you gotta enjoy those moments!!! Close your eyes and ride the rock dragon 🐉 through the skkkkkyyyyyyyuu!!!!!!", "Rock On!!!!", "I wish I was still 13 so I could laugh at videos like this again.", "Anyone who claims Herman Li is entry level is a jealous ignorant fool kkkkkkkkkkk They need to watch his Twitch stream to see just how knowledgeable he is about everything guitar and music related in general. He’s really laid back and a great person who talk to.", "Yeaaaah, that's the good shit. :D\n\n[Have some more.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mf2fCD1hrow)", "Don’t ever listen to posers. Real metal fans are generally the most opened minded people when it comes to music. Music is fun and metal is supposed to be a rocking good time that amps yoh up and makes you feel amazing and if one band does it better than the other then ROCK ON and enjoy it!!! Even if it’s Taylor Fucking Swift….\n\nSeriously, never let anyone say you’re wrong about likening a band or genre. Tell them to grow up and stop being closed minded as it only limits their potential. (Especially if they’re trying to learn an instrument- if they only play metal then they won’t be very good and they’ll never be a Herman Li.)", "Or someone just thought something was funny lmao", "Get very high and listen to their first 3 albums: valley of the damned, sonic firestorm, and inhuman rampage. Those albums raised me more than my parents did.", "I thought it was very hilarious.", "I'm 34 and since I no longer feel uncomfortable in my own skin and don't care what others think about me, I can again enjoy stupid stuff like this as it's supposed to. It's a good break from the reality of grinding work.", "May I interest you in [a evil sorcerer riding undead unicorns of war to invade Scotland](https://youtu.be/VlhQZFTvAn4)?" ]	64	videos	Dragon Force just released a new music video and it is the most hilarious thing I've seen all year
https://youtu.be/rdAueznLD_8	/r/videos/comments/qgebfp/lebenslust/	[ "Wow. As bizarre as yodeling seems…that was really quite impressive lol.", "You said it, /u/Dan300up", "Was pretty good. Doesn't hold a candle to [Mr. Trololo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM) though.", "How… that range was ridiculous. \nPlease tell me he’s the best there ever was.", "This is Franzl Lang! He passed away in 2015 at the age of 84. Amazing singer, and love the cheeky hip shaking!", "Das knallt", "Stuff like this is why I would gladly volunteer for a one way trip to go colonize Mars.", "From a yodeling perspective the guy in the video is far superior", "10 rappers eminem is afraid to freestlye against: #1", "His voice crosses a barrier of what I think the human voice should be able capable of. In a way it's like pro beatboxing. His voice sounds almost robotically perfect, like a bird or something.", "He is indeed generally considered to be a legend and one of the most talented artists of the genre.", "This Franzl Lang banger used to be my ringtone for a couple of years: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AcWX\\_-ez1U](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AcWX_-ez1U)", "Franzl Lang personally trained the [Japanese chicken yodel dude](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ppm5_AGtbTo).", "The raw sexual power of this man.", "that little shimmy gets me everytime.", "This the song used in SpongeBob?", "I’m on your side buddy.", "Whilst this would rapidly drive me bonkers if I had to listen to it for much longer, I have to recognise that he is amazingly talented and his range is unbelievable.", "So you could develop your own style of Mars Yodeling, surely.", "And to think, he went and started a large successful law firm after this, only to succumb to the scourge of electromagnetic hypersensitivity", "Yodeling is the white version of Mongolian throat singing.", "He is the Kwisatz Haderach.", "Better Call Saul for those who wondering if this guy was on acid", "This is no joke one my dad's favorite songs.", "he totally fucks", "[Yodelling intensifies](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lxt0_YrQs0M)" ]	26	videos	Lebenslust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0m4rcx0of4	/r/videos/comments/qgeh8m/iraq_insurgent_subtitles_sketch_comedy_skithouse/	[ "wow this is the best quality of this sketch i have seen. love this one though. such monthy python feel to it", "LOL I loved this when done in BF2 engine, also How Not To Be Seen.", "This always reminds me of [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIo3q-tcmk4&t=234s)BF2 version, lol." ]	3	videos	Iraq Insurgent Subtitles \| Sketch Comedy \| SkitHOUSE
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qgeja4/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qgeja4/deleted_by_user/	[ "[Raise the black from Black Sails](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-lz79ojWi4).", "WOW. Another youtuber who reads Wikipedia articles to us.", "the video just kind of ends" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/O242US-4COc	/r/videos/comments/qgg6jo/summer_camp/	[ "Jeez for a moment I thought this was Melania Trump", "Lol no I’m Romanian", "Lol that’s good :)" ]	3	videos	Summer Camp
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qggdow/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qggdow/deleted_by_user/	[ "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qezdqc/dune_director_denis_villeneuve_breaks_down_the/", "\"Tense\"\n\nIts hard to call it tense when you have exactly zero idea what is even going on. Crazy lady uses magic or something for some reason", "Right?\n\nDune 2021 was not good.\n\nThere is a massive circle-jerk going on. But it was very 'meh'.", "I think you mean Hans Zimmer?", "Reading the books I always pronounced it the \"gom jabber\" lol, this pronunciation makes it sound so much better" ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1452892180301889538?s=20	/r/videos/comments/qggqon/absolutely_incredible_interaction_between_talk/	[ "This is fucking real!?!? I had to look it up because the final statement is so mind boggingly stupid but it's mother-freaking genuine..... my hats off to you OP.", "Cameron's stunned silence speaks volumes", "The conservative talk show actually thought that they won that conversation and tweeted about it like they owned the activist.", "Yeah it's real. They doubled down as well.", "Brilliant facial control. Like often after bad/strange/weird interactions I regret how I behaved but Cameron is stone cold.", "Yeah they kept doubling down.", "I'm gonna need the deets. Don't make me scavenge google.", "This is the hardest I've seen someone get dunked on a long time. When the anchor says \"You can\" grow concrete, Cameron keeping his mouth shut was an excellent strategy for maximizing how fucking stupid that statement was.", "I mean it's pretty self contained. If you click the link you'll find the twitter thread.", "Yeah no spirit of the staircase with Cameron. He behaved 100% appropriately. The GOAT.", ">He grows trees, cuts them down, then makes stuff out of them. Brilliant.\n\nThank you for dispelling the myth of the superiority of the UK educational system.", "I thought for sure it was a bit and he would have been like \"HAHAHA Sure enough Cameron, ya can't grow concrete!\" \\CUT\\", "God it’s so good. Legitimately one of the funniest things I’ve seen. Talking heads like this dude want to rile you up so bad, they want you to engage with their bad takes so much. They know that even if you can prove them factually wrong or “win the argument,” the entertainment value and the fire that riling someone up stokes in their supporters far outweighs any potential negatives for them. But by refusing to abide by those terms and play the game this activist shows just how stupid the whole premise of these bad faith talking head /political commentary shows are.", "Weirdest part of the clip for me tbh. Not sure why he tried to talk down a carpenter. Reminded me of that [Dara O'Briain clip](https://youtu.be/lPCinKhnAQc?t=341) where he picks an ambulance service worker from the audience. Pretty fucking bulletproof.", "Is this talk show actually watched and loved in the country? Or is it a known joke like Fox News in the USA?", "I saw that earlier and I’d assumed that without watching. That’s probably what they rely on. Cameron aced that what a legend. \n\nInsulation isn’t renewable though the host could have owned him with a small amount of research.", "Never heard of it before today but I'm in Ireland.", "Never heard of this show or this cunt.", "I think he just discovered how to win an argument with an idiot. Let the idiot have the last word 🤣", "Reminds me of the one time Shapiro got [DESTROYED](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRF3r3zUGqk) on the BBC", "Reddit defending a group that blocks people going to hospital in emergency's. Tbh I'm not that surprised.", "You can't act like the entire country knows Fox is a joke. So many people genuinely love them and what they do. Just because it goes against what you believe how you think/wish it should be, it doesn't stop those people from existing. Hard to believe that so many people are on that side of things, too.", "Who's that lunatic and why is he so angry???", "Nothing to do with Insulate Britain. Just admit the host took an L", "He couldn't even sustain his chin from his neck let alone understand sustainability.", "Owning the ~~libs~~ carpenters.", "How can you even be on reddit without having heard of Ben Shapiro?", "He's an insulate Britain spokesperson", "Is that the British CNN?", "All an extremely weird clip. Why was the carpenter already annoyed with the anchor? Why was the anchor against carpentry? Why did he think you could grow concrete?", "emergencies\\", "What a wanker.", "Human psychology is very difficult to understand, but I GUARANTEE there are just as many people who are climate change deniers who think the host dunked on Cameron. It’s not quite a gold dress/blue dress delusion, because the host was definitely outwitted here.", "That's it. That's the fastest I've seen someone get cornered in a looong time. Damn!", "He's a thick ignorant right wing nutjob. To all 3 questions.", "Thanks dictionary", "What group? Defended from what?", "Wait I’m so confused what the fuck was that interaction… you can grow concrete?", "You absolutely can not. The host is a total moron and just contradicted the guy without thinking about it.", "who the f, is this man and why is he given a voice?", "He's one of those kids who did so much homework he thinks he should be named God Emperor, and also, have you read Plato, because I read Plato, but then, I would never read Nietzsche, he's a postmodern communist.", "Why did this interaction even happen. Was it supposed to be a longer interview?", "I have no idea. I assume it was meant to be a full interview.", "I guess you aren't from the UK. Insulate Britain is a group that glues themselves to roads to get the government to insulate houses. They block normal working people from getting to work, going to school and in one case a person was paralysed from a stroke because they couldn't get to hospital. https://youtu.be/UIDjGrPP_Fo https://youtu.be/gAiWVq-HKwM", "I love this video. It lifts my mood every time without fail.", "He's used to being smarter than the person interviewing him.", "Yeah, if it's a joke, the target audience is absolutely NOT in on it.", "libcarps", "It's just reddit. Outside of reddit the country is split about 50/50 on average.", "You really hate them don't you. So much the point of this post went completely over your head and you just want to have an argument about it.", "First they start building things, next thing you know we can't poop in the streets.", "Apparently this got over 3M views, so given the formula of the internet, sadly, this was a whopping success for talkRADIO.", "I just read through all the top comments and nobody has said anything defending the group, everyone is just laughing at how much of a dumbass the reporter made himself out to be by claiming you could grow concrete like you could grow trees", "Do you support insulate britain and their methods?", "That's not info you'd find in a dictionary.", "So much for the calm and collected libtard destroyer.", "But when you like mix cement with water and sand it like expands. I mean it grows you know like.", "I don't that that's what the host was saying. He was quite clearly saying that you can grow concrete like you can grow a tree.", "I assume you're one of those love and peace liberals?", "Big Louis Theroux energy.", "Always love the idea that reading something equates to understanding it.", "Actually some insulations are renewable.\n\nhttps://inhabitat.com/7-eco-friendly-insulation-alternatives-for-a-green-home/ \n\nA couple insulations that are fully renewable include tree bark and wool.", "OK, not trolling here. But what about concrete isn't ~~sustainable~~ renewable? I know there's a shortage of sand (suitable for concrete) in the world but any* material where use is outstripping demand can run short. Wood could run short if there was excessive demand.\n\nNow concrete has it's issues with CO2 but that's a different topic than strict sustainability of the material itself.\n\nEdit: I have reworded my question so people don't get hung up on the CO2 aspect. My question is whether concrete can continue to be created or if there is a limited ingredient that we can't get any more of.\n\nEdit 2: Thanks to the commentor who said that limestone is a key ingredient which does not form fast enough for concrete to be considered a material on par with timber. That's the information I was looking for.", "He's so angry right from the start, it wasn't even a debate. Those two are fairly closely aligned politically, though the British right-wing is probably closer to the American Democrats than the Republicans. Shapiro calling him \"on the left\" just shows how Americans have no idea what the concepts of left and right mean anymore.", "If the talkradio people felt that they could post this on twitter as a win then they must think the average English person has now somehow developed the same rancid, unimaginative and limited worldview that their station represents. \n\nI do not believe this to be true.", "Jesus as a carpenter was known to perform the miracle of growing concrete to build brothels.", "Ahhh yes noted liberal and leftist Andrew Neil", "They did in this [follow up video](https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453047541604442121?s=20).", "It's so fucking embarassing watching this manchild attempting to debate people who aren't college students.", "might want to rewatch the clip and change your point of view. LOTS to do with Insualte Britain, as its all over the screen and says hes a spokesperson..", "actually it was OP who started this one..", "Yep. Never heard of that show or presenter.", "Name does ring a bell but I'm not from US.", "I imagine that's how they get views is pushing things like this, especially if they're completely full of shit and they know it. It's Cunningham's law being used to profit; they know millions of people will engage and give them free advertising.", "Lol if you read their \"defense\" in the replies, he claims that because concrete technically \"expands\" when it's being mixed and dried, it technically \"grows\". He also says that the economy can \"grow\" even though it's not planted. This guy just digging so many holes for himself. I cannot believe he doesn't see the stupidity in what he said, versus other uses of the word \"grow\".", "Interesting. We've had some groups who do that in the US as well for various causes, equally enraging. Nobody in the comment section is defending the group, though.", "How the fuck does this right wing clown radio station even claim that they won this argument?\n\nIf I would fail as hard at my job as this radio host, I would quit and emigrate to another country. Preferable without internet access for the rest of my life. \n\nAnd its not that making stupid shallow anti climate activism arguments is hard. instead of going after him for being a carpenter (?), just ask him where he got his phone / computer from or how he heats his flat in the winter. Dont get me wrong, these are stupid and dishonest arguments, but at least they are arguments.", "By the amount of down votes I have I think people are defending them 😂", "When the interviewer has an agenda - but is ignorant of the issue...typical wrongwinger", ">spirit of the staircase\n\nNever knew that the french had captured that in a phrase until today. Honestly, thank you for this.", "To be fair, Cameron did not have much of a fight here. The guy he was talking to seemed like a blithering idiot.", "I mean as soon as he figured out he would have to answer hard questions he had a fit and quit the interview. This guy is a joke", "Tweet has been deleted - any mirrors?", "I dont have love for Shapiro, but how is that getting destroyed? The interviewer asked a question, Shapiro answered (in a way I absolutely cannot agree with) and asked him a question back. The interviewer couldnt answer and instead immediately went for \"lmao that question is so dumb\". Maybe that question is dumb, and if it is, it should have been easy to actually destroy Shapiro with facts. But he didnt, so either he was caught unprepared, he couldnt or he is the loser of the debate.\n\nThe both proceeded to act like cunts and Shapiro ended the interview, but not before the interviewer couldnt help himself and fired a one last jab hoping for reaction that didnt come.\n\nShapiro won both the encounter and the honorary title of having a dumbass opinion on the topic.", "Not defending the protest, but what would have happened if there was a car accident causing traffic instead of protestors? How did this happen that there was no other way to get to the hospital?", "It's a great expression. Not sure if \"spirit\" is the best translation, but I can't think of a better word.\n\nFor anyone wondering, \"spirit of the staircase\" is the French way of saying \"winning the argument in the shower\".\n\nedit: Ok, in English we call it \"staircase wit\", that definitely makes more sense.", "That was funny ...", "I guess their target audience are people who believe that you can grow concrete. Not all that surprising.", "actually i ask for a draw hoping the opponent misclicks, then i proceed to curl up in a ball in a corner and cry", ">shows how Americans have no idea what the concepts of left and right mean anymore.\n\nfor more examples check out the infighting going on at r/antiwork", "Perhaps ask Shapiro [what he meant by it](https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/1126894051456774144?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1126894051456774144%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com%2F2019%2F05%2F11%2Fus%2Fben-shapiro-bbc-interview-intl%2Findex.html).", "The biggest problem with concrete shrubs is that they are so damned heavy. And you need a diamond blade to trim them.", "As an ex-pat living in the UK, you've nailed it. left & Right = Them & Us here.", "This is so stupid it's nuts. The dude was catastrophically wrong on the point he was trying to make and now he's twisting the words in retrospect to try and defend himself like people won't notice. Grade-A moron.", "What a twat", "Thats so great.", "holy shit this is the most shameless pathetic pivot. He said \"concrete grows\" in context of something being REGENERATIVE. And now he's trying to pretend he was just saying it expands when you make it lmao", "I don't know what either one of those things means. Does it just mean no escalation?", "I'm referring to the contention of the TV host that the ingredients in concrete can be regenerated, like timber. Now obviously the term \"grow concrete\" is not the best choice of words. And allow me to rephrase my question: \"What ingredient(s) in concrete would prevent it from being used indefinitely as long as demand doesn't outstrip the creation process of the ingredients?\"", "I know \"winning the argument in the shower\" means you think of a great response way too late to use it.", "That is great, I dont agree with him on either though.", "What's the last thing the idiot mumbled?", "Well, if you're adequately curious, you could watch the entirety of the [16-minute interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E), which makes it clear just how bad it made Shapiro look. But I imagine you're not quite that curious.", "\"l'esprit de l'escalier\"\n\nI think \"Spirit\" is a pretty direct translation.", "Intellectual lightweights who get sexual satisfaction from doing worksheets are the worst advertisement for credentialism. They all believe that their teacher giving them a hundred on their in-class essay means they have access to the higher mysteries.", "Omg, they're actually doubling down on \"you can grow concrete\"! Only a dumb lefty wouldn't understand. Are their audience that dumb? \"Well, I'm not a leftist so I understand\"", "Eh I think your comment is underrated. \n\nObviously the talk show host is the asshole here, but it's not like concrete is made of rare and destructive materials.", "Disagrees with me on any political issue = secretly a radical leftist and JUST ADMIT IT JUST TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT WHO YOU REALLY ARE", "What a dolt. This guy is right wing? Since when did the right have a problem with logging?", "Because Shaprio got all riled on and accused the interviewer as being left wing, when in actual fact the interviewer holds very strong right wing views (for UK standards at least)", "Concrete is [8% of global CO2 emissions](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02612-5) making it worse for the environment than all aircraft emissions combined (2%). It's not sustainable if we also expect to continue to live here on Earth.", "I demand we take it another level and call them \"FreedomFish\"", "I considered looking it up, but I dont like either of the men in that short video. You posted a short video in which he was supposedly destroyed and I didnt see him being destroyed. If he was destroyed during the rest of the interview then thats great, I dont like him. But then I was catfished by the title of the short video then. Appropriate title would be Shapiro getting mad or being immature.", "Is that the british limbaugh?", "Homework bad, teacher bad, good grade on essay bad. Is there a reason you're so anti-education?", "Oh yeah, well the jerkstore called, they're running out of you!", "The interviewer (Andrew Neil) he's accusing of being \"on the left\" is a strongly right wing conservative journalist who at the time was known for being a fairly heavyweight figure in British political journalism and for asking hard questions. Shapiro seemed to think he was a left wing nobody who was being antagonistic and came across extremely poorly as a result.\n\nHe tweeted the following after the interview: \n\n>“@afneil DESTROYS Ben Shapiro! So that’s what that feels like\".\n>“Broke my own rule, and wasn’t properly prepared. I’ve addressed every single issue he raised before; see below. Still, it’s Neil 1, Shapiro 0.”", "The phone thing grows too? lmao!", "So the original name of the phrase is \"l'esprit de l'escalier\", and it was coined by Diderot in the 18th century. According to his writing, he was posed a question by a noble who had invited him to dinner and found himself speechless, giving a defense of his reaction that \"a sensitive man, such as myself, overwhelmed by the argument levelled against him, becomes confused and doesn't come to himself again until at the bottom of the stairs.\"\n\nAt the time, mansions such as the one Diderot had been invited to did their entertaining on the first floor (second floor for the Americans like myself), so reaching the \"bottom of the stairs\" meant that you had removed yourself from the gathering, as you'd only go down those stairs to exit the house. The phrase essentially means \"you don't think of the perfect response/comeback until you've already left the party.\"", "Wood is sustainable in that we can increase the supply (planting more trees) whenever demand makes it worthwhile to do so. (Note: Wood from old growth forests and certain other environments that can’t be recreated in a meaningful time-frame would probably not be considered sustainable.) \n\nThe kind of sand we use for concrete (water eroded - desert sand is too smooth) comes from very slow natural processes that can’t be artificially replicated in quantities anywhere close to the amounts we use. We can’t just create more sand to match our demand like we can with wood, we can only find ways to extract more of the sand that already exists. Despite the vast amounts of sand already created by nature, our demand has grown so much that we already see increasingly desperate and destructive methods of sand harvesting, as the more convenient sources are already becoming more rare.", "No. But particular people really, really want to be the Fox news of the UK.\n\nGB news was a recent attempt to kick start a right wing news channel. Founded by a guy Andrew Cole and hosted by Andrew Neil a formerly very respected newscaster was a total shit show that at one point claimed to have zero viewers and had some insane ideas to get viewers like hiding cameras in school classrooms to catch teachers promoting left leaning ideas.\n\nAndrew Neil quit and as no shock the very pro brexit host now lives in his villa in France.", "Then why are you doing this interview", ">You can of course keep producing concrete, as we can keep burning fossil fuels and keep polluting the oceans with plastic and so on. \n\nNo. They aren't the same because fossil fuels get consumed then they're gone.\n\nMaybe the term I'm looking for is \"renewable\" because I want to know if concrete can continue to be created indefinitely or not.", "I think Cameron was so dumbfounded by the statement, he just didn't know what to say. It looks like he was waiting for some follow up justification, but then the host just ended it lol.", ">Is this talk show actually watched and loved in the country? Or is it a known joke like Fox News in the USA?\n\nTalkRadio is primarily a radio show in the UK but they post these clips online for advertising revenue. It's pretty much exactly like Fox News in all the ways that matter and is owned by Rupert Murdoch. It's viewed by a much smaller amount of people (thankfully).", "So he was destroyed because he didnt know who the guy is? Being underprepared is not a good look however that means that Shapiro was simply wrong, not that he got destroyed. \n\nThank you, the situation now makes sense, but I feel that I got clickbaited by the title.", "I thought this was a V for vendetta deleted scene for a momeny", "The funny thing is that making concrete structures also uses a crap-load of wood. I've seen quite a few bridges and retaining walls built, and most of the formwork is done with 3/4\" plywood, and supported by bracing made of 2x4s, and almost all of it gets thrown out after 1 or 2 uses.", "we growin rocks out here boiiiii", "Thank you, together with u/rewopoast for explaining the situation. Shapiro didnt know who the interviewer was and mistook \"hard questions\" for politically fueled antagonistic questions. Shapiro made an ass out of himself, but was not destroyed.", "Shapiro is the king of the self-own. No one self-owns quite like him.", "I've also heard it translated as \"staircase wit\" but that's a lot less poetic.", "The conventional English translation is \"staircase wit\". Apparently \"wit\" is a distinct sense of \"spirit\" in French.", "Good luck having a carpenter come into this guys home to fix anything without one of them taking a steamy coffee shit before getting started.", "What an absolute fucking idiot. How is this man paid a wage, to talk such shite? \n\nInsulate Britain is one of the better activist groups. They actually have a clear and deliverable aim, unlike most others. \n\nDon't fully agree with their methods, and someone's probably going to get run over eventually, but it's their choice I suppose.", "He didn't \"get dunked\", he dunked himself. I don't think the activist was even trying to dunk on him, he was straight answering questions from the host.", "I love the bit when he calls Andrew Neil, of all people, a leftist. \n\nThe absurdity of such a claim, haha.", "I’m not at all, I just tutor. Also, teachers are generally awesome.\n\nThe US educational system arbitrarily selects for star status students who excel at a very narrow range of tasks (and who’s parents will do the most work for them), even though actual white collar jobs are becoming more and more divorced from those tasks.\n\nIt’s really not important for students to be able to cross multiply and divide, because any of them that become engineers are essentially legally required to use a calculator. But we prize the ability to replicate a method over an understanding of what the method represents, disadvantaging students who create bigger concept maps, and preferring students that are better at putting things in little boxes. This actually makes no sense in the Information Age, where the boxes are trivial, and the putting together is all that matters.\n\nMoreover, there’s no reason to make homework, e.g., the same percentage of the grade for every student, regardless of whether they excel on it. The kid who prefers to work in class, or write long essays, or take exhaustive tests is no worse at learning than the one who does his homework the most often. We should be grading students on their strengths, in an economy that expects them to specialize so much they go to grad school, not considering the long form papers of the future English major to be the same value as those of the future software engineer.\n\nThis slavish devotion to find “The Way” to grade and teach, when every decent teacher knows there are so many equally efficient and deficient ways that benefit students differently, creates a system where people like Sharpiro - who have no new ideas and a paucity of curiosity about the ideas of others - become public intellectuals because of their ability to excel at a couple narrow areas that are overweighted in the credentialing system of education. \n\nUsually, that is, people who can regurgitate specific old ideas without going on Wikipedia are prized over people who are more broadly curious and synergistic in their thinking, even when - in law for example - both have to look up precedent or it’s malpractice, but the intellectually open ones have a far deeper well with which to argue policy.", "🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥", "Is playing chess violent?", "I mean, Andrew Neil absolutely would consider himself a liberal in the classical sense. \n\nNot sure why America skewed the meaning so much, to the point it seems to mean the exact opposite now. \n\nBut he's definitely no lefty.", "Ugh, I hate that", "Brit here. I follow politics pretty closely, and have never fucking heard of it haha.", "Yeah, you know how you have to shave down your driveway each year cause it just keeps getting bigger? Checkmate lefties.", "Good one. Yeah, should've said that.", "That's from the German version [treppenwitz](https://www.dw.com/en/word-of-the-week-treppenwitz/a-17986514) wihch means basically that (staircase joke technically)", "Ah that makes sense - thank you.", "But you can grow concrete. \n\nYou just add water!", "What?", "He’s wrong again. Concrete shrinks when drying.", "Asking the hard questions here!", "THAT'S WHAT I SHOULDA SAID!", "So other than the obvious fact that no resource on Earth is infinite, which I’m sure you agree with— the issue you’re referring to arises when you look at concrete as a process, rather than a singular object. \n\nThe acquisition, the processing and the distribution of concrete relies on a complex and arguably fragile interrelated system of economy, logistics and energy. A shortage or disruption of these supply chains and their respective conditions can lead to supply/demand issues, processing issues or simply insufficient materials, all of which are exacerbated by climate change. \n\nClimate change being the issue in question here is already affecting global industry and by all respectable projections is guaranteed to worsen the existing problems. Resource depletion and mounting energy crises to name a couple, are things that directly impact concrete production. \n\nHope that answers your question.", "We have our % of brain dead idiots also. We just don’t elect them to the highest level of office. Before people say Boris is a clown, he is but he’s an educated clown at least.", "Nope. British Alex Jones.", "> but how is that getting destroyed?\n\nIt's just a play on the fact that youtube videos with Ben Shapiro are filled with titles like, \"Ben Shapiro destroys liberal college students.\" They're just turning the word back on him. Don't overthink it.", "Yes, so well educated that he championed Brexit. How's that working out?", "I would say /r/murderedbywords but this is more accurately murdered by silence.", "Got a degree in forestry, state side.\n\nNot sure if I'm using these terms correctly, but that host is a fucking twat and in all likelihood, a complete wanker.", "Conservatives have nothing left but lies and Trump. And yes I know this is the UK but Populist bullshit went into overdrive when Donnie Moscow came down the escalator.", "why, its frustrating as hell to me. there is no ownage or smackdown, just dissonance and noise", "Reminds me of this gem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q", "\"He grows trees and then cuts them down and then makes things from them. Brilliant.\"\n\nWithout context, I would have assumed that line was straight out of Monty Python.", "You're fighting a losing fight old man. The children are in charge here. I'm with you.", "Why the shade? Are you a little bitch in general?", "You appear not to understand the context of the word \"destroyed\" and how its usage here is ironical.\n\nShapiro rose to internet popularity through a bunch of YouTube clips with titles like [Ben Shapiro DESTROYS Transgenderism And Pro-Abortion Arguments](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtuqmThPE5c)\\--here's one he himself uploaded, for example. His proponents think he appears much more impressive than he actually is to anybody who doesn't already agree with him--\"destroy\" usually turns out to mean him shitting on some hapless university student who wasn't prepared to contend with his cheap rhetorical tricks.\n\n\"Destroy\" in the context of the BBC interview is referring to a sort of reversal, in which Shapiro's usual tricks fail him utterly when he attempts to use them on someone who isn't a hapless college student.", "That was David Cameron mate… Boris played the hand he was dealt. Not going to get into a debate on the pros and cons of Brexit, everyone knows short term there would be problems", "Boris is a bit of an enigma, it's not completely impossible that he never really wanted a brexit.", "Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon. They'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut around like they won.", "got deleted", "You can't be serious with this response, mate.", "\"I imagine someone who doesn't already know Shapiro well enough to understand why the word 'destroyed' is being used here doesn't care to suffer through 16 minutes of his nonsense\" isn't \"shade\", it's a straightforward inference that turned out to be correct. \"I imagine you're not quite that curious (about Ben Shapiro)\", not \"I imagine you're not quite that curious (of a person, in general)\".\n\nTouch some grass my dude. You're projecting your own hostility on to strangers' reddit comments.", "I remember that he had written both a pro- and an anti- Brexit column, and only decided which one you publish one he saw where the wind was blowing", "That's memeworthy.", "\"Perhaps Ben Shapiro Shouldn't Be Taken Seriously By Anyone About Anything\"\n\nhttps://youtu.be/aDMjgOYOcDw", "\"Perhaps Ben Shapiro Shouldn't Be Taken Seriously By Anyone About Anything\"\n\nhttps://youtu.be/aDMjgOYOcDw", "They didn't say any of those things.", "No, and how could have I?", "It doesn't matter what the gotcha was or if it was accurate or not, the only thing that matters to any contrarian of any political alignment is that their guy yelled, \"gotcha!\"", "What’s the difference? You’re their all time best seller!", "1) don’t know 2) angry people left behind by the modern economy.", "Anyone that isn't hard-core right, is just Left to them", "here he is \"explaining\" himself https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453047541604442121\n\nHe's saying he meant \"grows\" because concrete expands when it hardens...uh huh", ">Why did this interaction even happen\n\nTo OwN tHe LiBs", "How could you have known the goings-on of a particular pop cultural phenomenon? I mean, relatively easily. It might only be common knowledge among people who dabble in politics on the internet, but it's common knowledge within that realm.", "Got him to be the most powerful position in government.\n\nSo for him it worked out perfectly.", "Because if we don't give megaphones to blithering far-right idiots then something something cancel culture?", "Cameron was on the remain side. He was the idiot that let the referendum go ahead in the first place tho.\n\nIf figured it was a safe bet and would shut down the growing popularism on UKIP that was eating away a small number of votes.", "https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453047541604442121", "Damn, I was hoping for a ‘please elaborate’ from Cameron.", "Shapiro's videos are not a pop culture phenomenon and you using sarcasm is not common knowledge. \n\nCould have just said you were sarcastic in the first reply. Better yet use \"/s\" in the first place. Since the guy in the OP's video got destroyed, I legitimately thought you posted a video where Shapiro got destroyed.", "The idea is to get an environmentalist on to ask them a gotcha question and make them look stupid. It's a pretty standard tactic, it just backfired badly on this occasion.", "He is not against carpentry. He was making a pathetic attempt at showing that the carpenter is a hypocrite. Which is a fallacious argument even if you can show it, and he didn't.", "He's for real trying to pretend like the argument was about the semantics of the word \"grow\" for which concrete could be argued to \"grow\" because it expands when it's curing. The guy was talking about sustainable materials, growing trees as in the regeneration of lumber materials by growing a whole new source of lumber. This guy thinks he not only won this argument but that this guy was an idiot for not knowing that concrete \"grows\".\n\nThe ridiculousness of that stupid defense aside, they're also lying to make the Insulate Britian guy look like he was personally attacking the dude. The Insulate Britain guy said he was unfortunately on that host's program and the host of this talk show claimed he'd said he was looking at \"your stupid, ridiculous face\" to the interviewing host. His face is stupid and ridiculous and I'm sure the the other host thinks that internally every time he sees the other host, but the Insulate Britain guy said nothing of the sort.\n\nThen they're arguing that it's not actually sustainable to use lumber as a material because he'd have to wait another hundred years for the tree he planted to be used.... In this guy's mind, the carpenter cuts down a tree, builds a cabinet or whatever, and then plants the new tree and waits.... You know, rather than replacing a sapling for each tree you take and moving on to the thousands of acres of other trees while the new trees grow, then cycling out that way. Nope, it's impossible to use trees sustainably because you'd miss all your deadlines waiting for that tree to grow!!!\n\nThen they're criticizing the protest tactics of the Insulate Britain movement because they're not picketing and throwing rocks at police then moving on, but rather staging sit-in's. They call protesting by sitting \"ludicrous methods\", and advocate for assaulting police officers instead... Ok then. The Insulate Britain movement, btw, is about literally installing insulation in British homes in order to help fight climate change by making heating/cooling homes more energy efficient, if you didn't know. I'm letting you know because they also claimed not to know. Which is especially dumb since he invited the guy on to interview and supposedly did no research at all on the movement before hand.\n\nDolts, the both of them.", ">Not sure why America skewed the meaning so much\n\nThey didn't, There's a reason that \"classical\" is now attached at the beginning for this meaning, because the meaning of the word has shifted over time. Because that's how language fucking works.", "Watch the video at the top level of this comment chain.", "Plus concrete shrinks as it cures, it never expands.", "It doesn't even expand as you make it. You have the volume of concrete + the volume of water. That's not expansion. Then as it cures it actually shrinks. So even by his logic concrete doesn't grow, it shrinks.", "It also avoids what a friend of mine calls a \"why did I have the bowl, Bart\" moment. It's from a Simpson's joke where Milhouse tries to disprove an incredibly blatant lie:\n\n>Remember when he ate my goldfish, then you said I never had a goldfish? \n Then why did I have the bowl Bart? WHY DID I HAVE THE BOWL?!\n\nWhen someone tries to argue with an incredibly bad faith argument it forces them to explain ridiculously obvious things, and it makes them look ridiculous in the process. This guy totally avoided that.", "Shapiro's hands-down one of the largest right-wing commentators to rise to prominence in the last five years; he's incontestably a popular cultural figure.\n\nIf you're arguing that literally every instance of irony on the internet should be made explicit, even when it's common knowledge, then that's fine, if a little extreme. But it's common knowledge. Nearly everybody else who replied to this comment understood what was meant.", "Sand isn't a renewable resource, wood is.", ">Not sure if \"spirit\" is the best translation, but I can't think of a better word.\n\nLol \"spirit of the staircase\" is a transliteration of the French phrase, stop trying to sound smart on Reddit.", "I HAD SEX WITH YOUR WIFE!", "While I’m quite certain the host doesn’t know this but a biotech company in RTP, NC is growing concrete.\n\nEdit: Bricks, too.", "Don't tell me what to do", "That’s uh … not the way concrete is made…", "But even then... Concrete shrinks as it cures.", "I am sure this will not come as a surprise, but the internet is not comprised of solely USA citizens.\n\nNo, I am not arguing anything. In fact you replied to me, I wasnt even talking to you. I am arguing that this discussion is pointless. I didnt get your irony. You irony was not obvious to me. Either ignore me or let me in on it. \n\nI am on it now. So have a good day.", "And dont right wing nutjobs worship a carpenter?", "I'm literally doubled over at the last part.\n\n\"He grows trees and cuts them down and makes stuff out of them\"", "Ben Shapiro has [as many search results](https://imgur.com/a/qMRLKJk) as Jack Nicholson. He's a pop cultural phenomenon, especially within the realm of internet culture--reddit is a central hub of internet culture. It's as simple as that.\n\nYou directly replied to my initial comment. \"Yes, I know I replied to you, but I wasn't talking to you\" is a very strange thing to say indeed.", "In American English, maybe. In British English, liberal still means liberal. We only include classical when talking to Americans.", "Its really refreshing to see idiots outside of the USA. I was getting concerned that my country was the only one with imbeciles, but video like this are a nice reminder that dumbasses are fucking EVERYWHERE\n\nFuck.....now I'm sad", "Aren’t these the people that sat in the road and didn’t get out of the way when told there was an ambulance trapped? Pretty sure the person in the ambulance died. \n\nFuck these cunts.", "Okay hear me out, on a longer timescale concrete is largely recycled.\n\nEventually that gravel will be eroded and the fine and course agregate will be broken down and recompacted back into its original state, the air will return to general circulation, as will the water. That leaves the 11% cement of which almost all of it is Lime and Silica, as we know lime reduces soil acidity and provides calcium for plants, while silica strengthens plant cells and improves yields.\n\nAs such I think we should promote \"Green Concrete\" which is recyclable, sustainable and 'good for the environment'. 😋", "It’s better to keep your mouth shut and have everyone think you’re a fool, rather than open it and remove all doubt", "Looks like a scene right out of \"V for Vendetta\"", ">They doubled down as well.\n\nThat's really part of the problem. These talking heads don't come to the table in a good faith attempt at a debate or discussion. There's nothing that carpenter could have said which would have changed his mind. Him leaving the host temporarily dumbfounded was the best possible outcome.", "Curious American:\n\nWhat are the long term projected gains?", "I thought the exact same thing!", "Yeah but he worked with concrete.", "This is a great example of shooting yourself in the foot.\n\nHappens a lot when you're arguing from an identity rather than reason", "Brother in law: \"Please dont mention me, or my business.\"", "\"Just your screen unfortunately.\" Priceless.", "Liberal has and always will be a right wing ideology including in the US. It just happens to be that republicans have gone so extreme to the right that Liberals now come across as a leftist party.", "You’re not missing much. He’s a far right conservative propagandist funded by fossil fuel companies. He makes really low level, dumb arguments and commentary but dresses it up by talking quickly and saying things like “facts” and “logic”. He’s kind of a meme these days", "Perhaps you need to work on your reading comprehension skills.", "They love the idea of blue-collar jobs, because that is a symbol they can exploit to use toward their own ends. But they don't like the individuals themselves. Else they wouldn't fight against better healthcare for anyone who isn't a millionaire, fight against safer working standards, fight against unionization, fight against anything and everything that could make the lives of carpenters better. Because they're useful as symbols, not as people.", "They will claim that you cheated.", "One word: conservatism", "What an absolute dick of a host. I don't understand the astroturfed antagonism towards the protestors who are for insulating buildings and reducing waste in the face of massive energy price inflation in the short-term and a worsening world in the long-term.", "Whoa, that triple negative sentence structure. Took me a second to parse.\n\n>it's ~~not completely im~~ possible that he never really wanted a brexit.\n\n---\n\nAnd to contribute, I don't think Trump ever really wanted or expected to win the presidency. There is a lot more money and a lot less work to dunk on strawmen arguments from the comfort of a private media network selling poison to rubes.", "PM, big stonking majority, can't dip in the polls no matter what he does, loads of free holidays from people he's helped out (most recent one was in the villa of a guy he made a Lord). I dunno mate, working out for him great, rest of us? Not so much.", "It is actually advantageous for fighting climate change to build things out of wood because wood has carbon from the air trapped in it. Then you grow new trees to replace them and it sequesters more carbon as it consumes CO2.\n\nIf all we did was cut down trees and throw them in a pile and grow new ones we would be fighting climate change by using those log piles to sequester carbon from the air. But it so happens we can also build houses out of those trees.", "It's quite the achievement then that the host appears far stupider than the people blocking emergency lanes.", "Ah yes, so when you were saying concrete \"grows,\" you meant in the terms of \"expanding over time due to heat,\" right? I'm sure it had absolutely nothing to do with the explicit and well-defined usage of \"grow\" in this context, which was something naturally developing on the Earth. As in trees \"grow.\" Concrete, in this instance, does not.\n\nFucking knobhead.", "Wow the double down is more childish and delusional than I could have ever imagined.\n\n\"...I'm very careful about which words I use and say...what would you call something that gets bigger...it grows right...if you were to describe the economy growing would that be something you would say had to be planted...you don't plant the economy in order to make it grow...you make concrete, it expands, it grows\"\n\nWhat a muppet.\n\nAdditionally concrete is just as likely to shrink than expand pending environmental factors.", "That's neither here nor there, and in fact helps the argument that you elect brain dead idiots to your highest levels of office.", "Someone should tell him Jesus was a carpenter.", "Oh right, this was all over Twitter this morning, this dumbfuck apparently not knowing how nature works.", "this shit just got deleted while i was watching it lmao", "Big time. The WAP debacle was incredible", "That he grew himself in his father's backyard.", "> Not sure why America skewed the meaning so much, to the point it seems to mean the exact opposite now. \n\nYeah it's mind-boggling. Left and liberal are not synonyms. In Germany the liberal party sits to the right in the parliament. (Not the far right and they recently asked to be moved so they don't have to sit next to the fascists/right wing party) but still the liberal party in Germany is a very capitalist party (corporate shills) with some social liberal ideas and and certainly not left... but I guess if you only have a binary political system that shifted to the right for decades then a 3D understanding of politics is severely underdeveloped. \n\nEven people like Bernie Sanders or Elisabeth Warren would be barely considered moderates. With Warren to the right and Sanders _maybe_ a little to the left of the middle.", "I water my concrete and it gets wet, and when I give it sun it gets dry. But it doesn’t seem to be growing.", "It's like an Alan Partridge script", "Now that you've said it I can't believe I didn't think of that right off. \n\nIt's almost as if a lot of these Christians aren't really.", "Ahh lol. Nah that's definitely because it's a complete lie.", "The point is that cement is usually made from by-products of burning coal.\n\nCement is then mixed with a few other things to make concrete.\n\nIt's very high in GHG.\n\nWood deteriorates, returns to soil, and feeds regrowth (that's the general idea anyway)\n\nConcrete in the other hand doesn't break down relatively quickly in to nutrient feeding matter.", "\"Liberal\" means \"liberal\" in American English, too. We're just using it to refer to different things. When you use \"liberal\" by itself, you are implicitly talking about economic liberalism. That is, less government involvement in economic affairs. But when we use \"liberal\" by itself, we're implicitly talking about social liberalism. That is, less government involvement in the regulation of morality and other social issues.\n\nWe're both using \"liberal\" to say the same thing, but our different dialects imply different contexts for that same meaning.\n\nSort of like if we describe things as \"red\" or \"blue.\" In the UK, the blue party is the Conservatives (right) and the red party is Labour (left). In the US, the blue party is the Democrats (left) and the red party is the Republicans (right).\n\nIn both cases, we're using the words \"blue\" and \"red\" to refer to the same exact color, but the colors imply different contexts/connotations depending on the culture in which they're used.\n\nEdit: Also, y'all in the UK also use \"liberal\" to refer to non-classical-liberal liberals. The Liberal Democrats are social liberals, not classical/economic liberals.", "F**** horrible the way he seized power in a bloody coup that way. Oh s, that's not quite how it happened is it?", "I feel like in the US they'd have just started yelling at each other, but it's kind of hilarious how both of them clearly realized that there was no recovering from that moment. Either the host continues to argue that point or admits they're full of shit, and neither would go as well as just ending the call. Given that this host is nuts and probably doesn't like to admit mistakes, at least.", "His wife is in a coma!", "As a Christian and and tradesman, Jesus has my respect. Carpentry is hard ass work.", "They should just use concrete to make the forms because we can always grow more, unlike wood.", "Nope. Democrats are a center-to-center-left party. Their platform is somewhere between UK's Labour and Lib Dems.\n\nLiberals have never been a \"leftist\" group, nor do we claim to be. We're left of center, yes, but we are not \"leftists.", "When i see shit like this it's hard for me to not think the simulation broke and now we are just living in art now", "Jesus worked mainly with petroleum based products and designed some of the most minimalist and elegant Ikea office desks. He also designed the first Coke bottle and revolutionized the preservation of bacon when his privately funded food science laboratory discovered nitrites.", "I like how this isn't even about your country but you still make it about your country. To be fair though, this tactic he's using was popularized by FOX's owner who also owns the Sun tabloid chain in the UK.\n\nThis stuff has been going on decades before Trump was installed by the corporate ruling class.", "Interesting. I disagree with a fair number of your points, also coming from an education career. Homework is, in my opinion, very important as studies have shown that helps a great deal with transferring your lesson from short term to long term memory. If a student only interacts with a topic for 30 minutes in your class and then doesn't think about it at all until the next day, it is much more likely to be forgotten than it is to be consolidated. I further disagree with your assertion that students do not need to be able to \"cross multiple or divide\" as you are either saying they don't need to know how to cross divide (which is not a thing at all) or we should literally not be covering division of numbers in school, which is patently absurd.", "George is gettin' upset!", "are you giving it enough Brawndo?", "Don't change the subject. that guy said some dumb shit about concrete because he was in attack mode.", "You all voted for brexit, and then voted in a party that wanted to hard brexit.", "Exactly. In this case, you don't find the right words until you've reached the stairs, i.e., on your way out from the party/gathering.", "Yes, thank yo... \"wit\" is definitely a better fit!", "It’s great. As with many important things I know, I learned it from a comic book (gaimans sandman)", "All matter on earth is limited. The entire point of sustainability rests on the concept that we have to use the matter and energy available to us in a way that is not harmful to life on this planet. You cannot separate the issue of CO2 production regarding sustainable and renewable resources.", "How much more do you need to explain that trees grow and concrete does not?", ";o maybe my internet acting fucky", "God forbid when we run out of concrete or the materials used to make concrete like rocks & gravel, water, air & sand…. Hmmmmm that’s 90% of concrete right there…. Turns out it might be a pretty sustainable building material after all.", "Please take a moment to read the tweets defending the host... Miraculous that these people can do these kinds of mental gymnastics when defending idiocy but can't think for one second from the opposing viewpoint.", "Imagine being made to look stupid by Insulate Britain.\n\nThat shows you truly are a massive meathead.", "Not to mention wood is a pretty decent carbon sink and when used in a building, stores that carbon for a pretty long time.", "\"he grows trees, then cuts them down and builds things with them.. brilliant.\"\n\n\nyea... it kind of is. especially when compared to your brilliant reply of \"yea you can\" when confronted with \"you can't grow concrete.\"\n\nthis is on the level of \"tides go in, tides go out, you can't explain that!\"", "This clips gonna be all over tomorrow. it's gonna backfire on him hard as fuck. Now EVERYONE is gonna hear about the protesters and their cause.", "So long as we keep growing trees at a higher rate. Problem is that we are not doing the second part.", "I seem to be able to see it here: https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1452892180301889538?s=20", "It's still visible on Twitter. Just click on the link and you can view it. They might've turned off embedding.", "Nah. we're talking about how dumb that concrete statement was.", "Lmao at the end when he shits on the practice of carpentry. Wth?", "Conservative virtue signalling.", "Is that what concrete craves?", "I think he was stunned silent to be honest.", "I think you’re proving his point by being everything he’s pointing out is awarded and intensified in the education system. \n\nYour response, while dressed up respectfully like a good school boy would, misses the entire concept he is presenting you and argues specific minutia you’ve picked out because you believe you can defend those points. So you’re either arguing in bad faith, or true to point, you’ve been taught how to check little boxes, but you don’t understand how to synthesis an idea as a whole and approach it curiously. \n\nI personally found this hilarious.", "> We all know dead air is a crime", "They put a weirdly negative spin on finding success in school", "You did a great job of explaining this btw.", "an attempt to direct attention away from the dumbest thing he'd ever said on live TV", "The slight headshake \"no\" was the chef's kiss.", "> GHG\n\nYou're just going to throw that in there as if your average basement dweller like myself is going to know what that is?", "When Dara spoke to the guy from Newport, was that Jimmy Carr sat behind him?", "With the video of that protester almost getting run over, i've learned that home insulation is a very serious topic in the UK.", "The host or the carpenter?", "The absence of response makes it so clear that all the host had planned was a fight. He didn't have any questions he wanted to get to, no issues to discuss. Just wanted to argue with an activist on camera.", "shh. Don't give them ideas.", "> like a good school boy\n\nI'm 35 and have been an educator for 15 years. I don't think that directly disagreeing with \"there is no reason to make homework\" is picking out minutia. It may not be obvious to you coming from the outside but this guy is super, super wrong about that point in particular. He puts a weirdly negative spin on being successful in school.", "and regardless, the word used was \"regenerative\".", "I'm looking at it right now.", "They actually did post a story about that after this in what can be charitably described as a desperate attempt to save face.", "Get this guy a rope because he is reaching.", "It's rumored the large concrete balls in front of shopping malls are fungal fruit.", "BJ backed Brexit to fuck Cameron, since he'd called for the referendum. There was no idiocy on his part, just bloody minded ambition and callous disregard for the nation he's now in charge of.", "So the idiocy has infected UK news, too... as an American I offer my sympathy and deepest apologies.", "He didn't want an interview, he wanted a fight with the BBC and didnt get one.", "If you were any good at it, you’d probably know that the comment you just wrote equates to a long winded fallacy and an opinion. \n\nWhich again, is just arguing in bad faith because you don’t have anything insightful to add.", "He owns talkRADIO too.\nI believe the presenter is Mike Perry, who used to be on \"The Two Mikes\" on the sister channel talkSPORT. Even though I'm an American, I follow a lot of British sport like the Premier League, the England cricket team, as well as the England rugby team. This guy used to be on overnights on talkSPORT, which was prime time/evening for me here.", "Cameron was the one that got the stupid idea up for a vote. Remain or not, would never have happened if he hadn’t used the referendum proposal as an election tool", "> Because that's how language fucking works.\n\nOP is speaking in the context of political science and is correct. Shit's nuanced, homie.", "Advertising is never free", "have you seen his followup yet where he doubles down on it?", "It’s speculative but now the UK has full control over its legislation and trade deals. So can tailor it to suit them whereas before it has to be for EU benefit as a collective. Whether they use that better control to their benefit or demise will depend on the choices they make. Current idiots in charge will probably use it to line them and their friends pockets, and leave the next generation to pick up the mess. Politicians will politician I suppose", "I don't disagree with anything you said apart from the edit. While the Liberal Democrats do have that descriptor in their name, literally nobody in the UK would refer to them as 'a liberal' unless they were just interrupted before finishing the name.\n\nOther than that you're correct about how the noun 'liberal' is used in the UK, though I'd note that it's barely used at all as a noun and 90% of the time I hear it is actually the US usage, spoken about US politics on American TV/film.", "I mean no, that’s not what happened or how elections work. There’s a very large number who did not vote for that or that government.", "Greenhouse gases.", "Brain: \"Uh-oh, what did that mean? Better say something or they’ll think you’re stupid.\"", "The only thing I would have said was, \"How?\"", "As another user has pointed out the use for liberal is talking about social liberalism, not economic liberalism like other countries are using the word. Just like in the USA Conservatism is typically talking about social conservatism, although the party sometimes tries to align Conservatism with fiscal conservatism which to them means spending money on the military, not the people.", "I know right?! I'd understand if he was\n\n the ceo of a pillow company\n* an ex lawyer/mayor of a city\n* piers morgan\n* wearing a bowtie and the son of a food empire heiresss\n* katie hopkins\n* any member of the trump family", "when your agenda is just whatever the opposite of what the other guys say, it makes talking about the issues really easy. It's like that Monty Python argument clinic sketch. Whatever they say, just respond with \"no it isn't.\"", "I’m going to go with Green House Gases", "Now who else in this thread knows what \"Spirit of the Staircase\" is due to Chuck Palahniuk's short story Guts?\n\nIt can't be just me.", "Not sure you understand politics or voter base. You can’t turn against what your party stood for and expect to keep your job. Cameron guaranteed a referendum so he would be re-elected, then put together a piss weak remain campaign, lost so has to step down, in comes theresa who botched and election and handed over to BJ. BJ either had to fight for Brexit or lose his job or worse in their eyes, control of government. It’s not hard to see the chain effect", "The majority of Americans didn't vote for Trump.", "While I know that is just him trying to save face and wasn’t what he meant, the best part of that is that concrete fucking shrinks when it dries.", "Might be worth polishing the reading comprehension then, because that's only half the sentence \"Moreover, there’s no reason to make homework, e.g., the same percentage of the grade for every student, regardless of whether they excel on it.\" \n\n\nThey never said that homework was pointless, just that it's not equally valuable for each student as either method or measure of learning.", "Damn right it is. I just say that as me, but I'm an atheist too.", "It backfires on virtually every occasion but the people listening religiously are too stupid to know better. That's why the talk show literally uploaded this to their own Twitter.", "The majority did in the states that matter.", "Just let that ignorant shit hang in the air for everyone to smell.", "r/suicidebywords", "Well the majority that mattered in the UK voted for the conservative party. Lol funny how your logic only applies one way.", "Jesus christ, you know you're desperate not to seem like a cunt when you get Jeremy fucking Kyle to ask the questions.", "That video is pretty disgusting. They even comment that they love the attention and the controversy is making them money and they pat themselves on the back... for what? Not understanding how sustainable resources work? Fuck, real idiots. Concrete doesn't grow.", "I, too, am stupid and need to be spoonfed the answer to this.", "The other 10% (i have not checked any computations, so may be more or less) may be oil or gas. Here's a source that says a cubic meter of concrete uses a 16 gallons of oil to produce. (.37 of a 42 gallon barrel)\n\nStill, i'm pretty sure we can't \"grow\" concrete, and it's not a very good insulator.\n\nhttps://www.geoplastglobal.com/en/blog/energy-consumption-production-of-concrete/", "People in the USA watch Fox News religiously, it's really sad. Youtube keeps peddling that crap to me and I honestly don't know why.", "Lmao, I love that he just stayed silent and let the dude look like a complete fucking moron haha", "He stares at him like that squid game meme", "> Green House Gas", "Santa’s brother plants trees we plant seeds to mark where he needs to deliver them he knows where we buried the seeds cause Jesus tells him", "Link please", "Jesus would like a word.", "Just a note:\n\nConcrete is made from cement and gravel. Cement is made by splitting limestone (CaCO3) into useful calcium oxide (CaO) and waste CO2. The splitting happens at about 1500C (2600F), and the most common way to achieve this temperature is by burning fossil fuels. These mean that concrete production generates a lot of CO2, totaling an estimated 8% of the world's CO2 emissions.\n\nIn contrast, trees grow by absorbing CO2, stripping the carbon, and releasing O2. The tree then uses that carbon in cellulose and similar carbon-containing molecules, which make up almost all of a piece of lumber. So in some sense, wooden structures are made by taking CO2 out of the atmosphere.", "LOL that’s absolute gold", "They'll contradict themselves for a \"gotcha\" moment. The thing is that after a certain period of time trees become less efficient at producing oxygen than the younger trees, so it makes sense to cut them down and replace them. Far more sustainable and climate positive than concrete.", "Of course it’s not going to run out, but it produces a considerable amount of pollution; and it is not regenerative like wood, nor does it provide carbon sequestration.", "I'm not an expert here, but it seems like building with wood is a good method for reducing atmospheric CO2, as long as you're regrowing the trees you cut down. A wooden structure stores carbon in a place where trees no longer stand. In contrast, a concrete structure releases massive amounts of carbon when its built.", "Well, to be even fairer, blithering idiots tend to be more difficult to handle. They tend to drag you down to their level.", "Tide goes in, tide goes out. Never a miscommunication. You can't explain that.", "\"Takes one to know one!\"", "Amazing, and imbecile complaining about someone interrupting their commute to try to keep corporations from destroying the planet. Tbh I'm not at all surprised.", "You burn a ton of fossil fuels to make cement. It generates a ton of CO2. Sand is being stolen to meet demand. It's considered one of the least sustainable building materials. \n\nWood can be grown sustainably and regeneratively.", "Hold up... there's a movement to insulate homes and the British right-wing talking heads are against it? What's the downside of insulating a house?", "50/50 if you weight for the power of the Senate and the Electoral College.", "We can make a religion out of this.", "What. A. Twat.", "Is insulate Britain the name of the show or the carpenter? Because the carpenter isn't the stupid one here.", "Well they just toss a few concrete seeds in the back of the lorry. Add some water.. Next morning you have concrete ready to pour. Barely even needs sunlight", "Nope, you don't get to do that. In this thread, Britain is the stupid country no matter what you say. See how it feels.", "Without context, I would've almost thought the line was sincere. Growing a thing, then harvesting a thing and then making something useful out of it actually IS pretty brilliant.", "Shame he represents a bunch of cunts. He deserves an interviewer who will actually take his fuckwit organisation to task.", "I think we're getting past the point in time where any exposure is good exposure. I don't think this will bode well for talkRADIO.", "Media people are always very conscious about dead air too. \n\nI was hoping he would say something like, \"Cameron, are you there,\" because it was close to a freeze and then he'd say, \"yes, still here. Still can't grow concrete\"\n\nTruth probably stranger and funnier than fiction in this case", "Stop lying to children. Thanks.", "Yup, climate nut got dunked on hard.", ">callous disregard for the nation he's now in charge of.\n\nSounds like a brain dead idiot to me.", "probably well for him personally, or I doubt he would have been keen", "The carpenter was a climate change activist and he knew the host was an asshole host before he came on the show. Presumably he thought he could win a debate and so went on the show. Which he did win but I doubt he thought this was the debate he'd have.", "Living concrete: https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1452973816959881236?s=20\n\nAbsolutely brilliant mental gymnastics explaining how concrete grows:\nhttps://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453047541604442121?s=20\n\nIf ever someone shat the bed so hard Gordon Ramsay had to come in, act disappointed and yell an exasperated 'Leave it!' as they tried to clean the shit up, this would be it.", "Gray rocking the shit out of that. Way to go, big Cam.", "\"Swish!\"", "I'm tired of this zero-some-game mentality. The political climate is so horrible, it's the blind the leading the blind (in the left and and the right). It is a fucking disgrace.", "Not only doubled down but they posted this clip on their own Twitter.", "He does smirk a wee bit, but mostly keeps it under wraps.", "And why did he abruptly end the interview? Seems like they were just getting started. Like I know the host basically commit suicide with that comment & then quickly realized it, but segments generally have to go for a certain amount of time. They didn’t even get to anything else aside from Cameron’s occupation.", "\"Swish\"", "[https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453047541604442121](https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453047541604442121)\n\nHe tries to justify the, \"concrete grows\" comment by saying something to the effect of, when you mix water, sand, etc and it \"grows\" into concrete. No it still does not make any sense given the context of the interview.\n\nBonus Clip:\n\n[https://twitter.com/Femi\\_Sorry/status/1453030331167150087](https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1453030331167150087)\n\nGuest Femi Oluwole asks him to define the \"single market\" Mike Graham says he doesn't know and doesn't care. Femi tries to define it for him, Graham cuts him off, says his answer is \"boring\" and then says, \"of course I know what single market is\" right after Femi starts to define the bulk of what single market is.\n\nI have never heard of this dude... and now I really regret that I have now heard of this dude.", "Yeah, cause the host was clearly acting in good faith, not trying to accuse him of hypocrisy for no reason", "Well you are missing the point entirely. People voted for trump who is an actual idiot. While people did vote for Boris, he’s actually well educated just a bit of a tit. The point I made is we don’t vote complete fucking idiots into the highest level of office.", "Hold my beer a second:\nhttps://youtu.be/WFYRkzznsc0", "By asking a question and then getting an answer like what literally just happened. Did you forget how we got here? You seem almost offended by getting an explanation.", "Concrete and cement aren't made out of coal. That's not necessarily their worst part.\n\n> concrete - 10% cement, 20% air and water, 30% sand, and 40% gravel.\n\nConcrete releases CO2. Most of the CO2 from concrete comes from the chemical process, not from burning coal to heat up cement. Fly ash isn't necessary to make concrete. \n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_concrete", "That's not the point. The point is this Muppet asserting that you can grow concrete and then doubling down on it. He even tweeted that he's never wrong.\n\nBy the way, it's emergencies. Quit abusing apostrophes", "Ah you just vot for people who pretend to be stupid, and have stupid policies ?", "Ye spot on apparently. Ah well", "It is somewhat reassuring to see that conservatives in Britain are just as ignorant and willing to make shit up on the spot and then stop listening as they are here in the US. This confirms by belief that conservatism is in fact a mental disorder and not an actual political position.", "The trouble is even the French don't have a phrase for the stupid things you actually do say under pressure. Those stupid, desperate things you actually think or do.\n\nSome deeds are too low to even get a name. Too low to even get talked about.", "god there is so much he could have talked about (I.e. the cunts blocking roads so that not even ambulances can get through).\n\nbut no \"you can grow concrete\"", "I don't know, man. A few thousand pounds a household to make them more efficient? Less money for energy companies? The general welfare of the Earth? These guys aren't even thinking that far. To them, the fact that it's a left-wing movement is enough to make it a stupid and evil idea that shouldn't be taken seriously.", "I was thinking “and … that’s supposed to be bad?”", "He literally wrote ‘host’ in his comment", "Ya know I did misread that and I'm not to big to admit it. That being said I still disagree that grading different students on different scales is a good idea. Too complicated for the teacher who is already likely overworked and too abusable (yes teachers can already play favorites with grades but if it is egregious at least there is a metric to point at). Two students getting different grades for the same answer isn't a road you want to go down.", "But I was told on Reddit that these idiots only exist in the US …", "Yep, stupid people just play themselves.", "American career educator cannot comprehend simple comment. News at nine.", ">\teveryone knows short term there would be problems\n\nAnd long term, but keep sipping that misinformation campaign if it makes you feel better", "you have one side, the Republicans, that are keeping America the third world shithole it is", "Idiots are forgivable for their idiocy, this was some combination of malice and contempt.", "lol. Is that like one of the right wing talk show hosts in the UK?", "Words are his currency, you see", "im thinking \"really? like, this is a profession almost as old as prostitution and those highly skilled in it and highly regarded is this man just retarded\" \n\n\nyes hes just retarded.", "What a stupid asshole.", "He got that deer in headlights look we know all too well from blowhards receiving their comeuppance and their brains temporarily short-circuiting like that... And the panicked attempt at a recovery, pretending he was speechless due to the sheer stupidity of the guy instead of being speechless because he got owned... Some have no shame, lmao.", "Is this the British version of The Onion?", "He was making a joke about how Jesus was a carpenter\n\nBut yeah the rest of what you said is on the nose", "That guy is as charming as a well fed tick.", "It’s also referred to as “Stairway Wit.”", "lmao. yes.\n\n yes they did", "They will believe whatever is necessary just long enough to win the argument.", "Holy Fuck. That is one ignorant person.", "LOL .... you are talking as if the people who are called and call themselves liberals in the USA, because they have social liberal leanings aren't also economic liberals that favor the big corpos (they just aren't completely w/o conscience). They are however still en masse firmly right wing.\n\nAnyway, that's the point. The whole system is so far from removed from the \"worldwide normal\" 3D political spectrum that it stands out. And nothing you write here refutes that point. Just sayin' ...", "When the video looped I thought he wasn't properly cut off lol", ">Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.\n\n\\- Napolean Bonaparte", "The best part is concrete actually starts to shrinks after you mix it. That's why it cracks so quickly. \"Shrikage cracks\"", "I was also getting the vibe that the carpenter was mostly trying to make a funny jab at the anchor, when he comments that unfortunately the anchor was on the screen. But the anchor doesn’t take it as a joke. Even sounds like the carpenter was trying to say something like “Well I’m just joshing” but obviously doesn’t get through that.", "Yep. The \"funny\" part is that this will inevitably grow the wanker's audience", "Like I said we have our % of idiots also. Finally we’ve arrived at my original point if only your reading comprehension was a bit better, we wouldn’t have wasted both our time.", "What's so wrong with \"No you can't\"?", "I voted remain but I’m not blinded by hatred that I can’t see pros and cons.", "\"An argument is more than just contradiction!\"\n\n\"No it isn't.\"\n\n\"Yes it is!\"", "Yeah, I was trying to figure out who the idiot was and who was getting dunked on, and they both came off as idiots.", "I wouldn’t call looking at things logically and not from what a propaganda campaign says “blinded by hatred” If anything the ones cheering that leaving is a great thing are blinded by hatred lmao", "Gonna have to get in touch with him and see if he'd like to trade his concrete seeds with me - the ones I chipped off the pavement just don't want to grow at all... I can give him some prime acorns and pinecones for them, hell, I'll even throw in some seeds from the super delicious apple in had for lunch!", "What the fuck is that second video OMG. What a mental gymnastic", "Taking cues from American conservatives. Just say it loud enough, and repeat it enough, and it becomes reality. I just hope your populace is smarter than mine and rejects that tactic.", "Why do you think I am an American?", "The depressing part is that the world is so full of idiots there will be more people believing concrete really does grow, and that the host \"won\" because he had the last word.", "Wit of the staircase", "If you can’t draw any logical positives then you are an idiot. World isn’t black and white son.", "Fox News isn't \"known as a joke in the US\" though. There are plenty of severely mislead people who watch it and even worse right wing media like Newsmax or OAN.", "Someone should tell him that timber also grows when in damp weather conditions. It'll make his head explode", "You don't want them to get different grades for the same answer, the idea would be to make those answers different-sized components of the final grade.\n\nAnd this shouldn't make any difference to the teacher, because we could automate the selection of the set of weights that gives the highest grade, from those available - each student would them be graded on the best useful mix of skills they demonstrate. So, one kid's grade is made from 60% essays, 30% HW, 5% tests, 5% in-class (they have anxiety, but are willing to put in the hours) - where another one gets 40% tests, 40% essays, 10% HW, 10% in-class (they are easily bored by less challenging assignments.)\n\nThis would require education administrators to embrace technology and accept the validity of different learning styles on a systemic level, though, which is the real entrenched interest that hates change.", "he looks like that TV guy on the movie V", "And [Mushrooms!](https://www.bimplus.co.uk/developer-mushroom-insulation-wins-global-award/)", "Shapiro's a coked out fucking clown.", "Your pulling at straws try to stand on the high ground. In reality it's a global problem of fascist leader being elected. Your nationalist opinion that some how the UK is slightly better misses the larger implications. Much like all the people who voted for Brexit.\n\nIf you Missed my point it's that your argument is silly.", "He's a malicious, contemptuous, brain dead idiot.", "* anyone who disagrees with them", "I genuinely don't think some understand what that sub is for. Its not some lazy person communist sub (although some probably are communist lol), but it's about getting a fair, livable wage for your time.", "The handful of positives don’t outweigh the incredible amount of negatives, but hey if you think one positive and 99 negatives means something is good then who really is the idiot? \n\n>\tWorld isn’t black and white son.\n\nReach harder grandpa, you might fall out of that tree and break a hip", "> There's nothing that carpenter could have said which would have changed his mind.\n\nThe point is not to change his mind. The point is to reach those people who are watching it. Some of them of course don’t care and also won’t change their minds, but some of them will, or at least will start to think that maybe they are lied to.", "What an absolute twonk. You can see the moment when his producer gets in his ear to tell him to abort, great viewing.", "cheerio", "sadly not, its also worth noting that the guy on the left in the followup trying to justify it is jeremy kyle; an appalling wankstain that used to run a daytime TV show taking advantage of the troubled to turn them into a disgusting circus attraction (which he finally caught flack for after it was revealed that multiple guests of his committed suicide)", "More like British Alex Jones", "That sounds like a great idea but I'm afraid we wont see any massive overhauls in grading like that", "He reminds me of the talk show host from V for Vendetta", "My wife and I have both been enjoying that sub recently lol", "Exactly. When faced with someone who is so incompetent and below you, it’s just not necessary to get all worked up and argue every point. Just sit back and let him be an idiot for all to see.", "Wait, you can grow concrete? How?! Teach me master! 🤣", "im pretty sure i just puked in my mouth again.", "Shouldn't this fella be demolishing Earth to build an intergalactic highway?", "Humanity's been using trees as a natural resource since before recorded history. I sure hope we figure out some way to make that practice sustainable. /s\n\nIn fairness, massive deforestation is a problem but it has a pretty straightforward solution. :P", "You’re suggesting a “snow tire day” at Yankee Stadium??", "The guy probably complains about the length and cost of projects. Wait till he see the cost and lead time to grow his sidewalk. Knucklehead.\n\nThat carpenter is pretty smart. The radio duffus, not so much.", "I think it's funny that he thinks you can only plant one tree in your lifetime to offset your usage and it takes 100 years for that tree to mature 😂", "Funny how they're all failed tv hacks...", "Classic advice for lawyers doing cross-examination: never ask a question you don’t know the answer to. \n\nThe host should have known this basic 4th grade science fact, but he’s too much of a dolt. And too much of one to know what he doesn’t know, I guess.", "It means the long term effects remain to be seen. You have formed an opinion on something that will happen in 10-20 years time. That tells me enough about you", "15 years? What teaching position did you get at the ripe old age of 20?", "The only winning move... is not to play.", "What if I told you these are the types of arguments and irrational justifications that occur all the time in the US?", "Not in some sense, in every sense. Trees are excellent carbon capture vehicles, and the vast majority of their mass is comprised of that captured carbon.", "Might want to check back with a college about more modern teaching ideas too.", "So, concrete actually shrinks during the curing process. Large concrete structures actually have delay strips to prevent excessive shrinkage from leading to larger defects.\n\nLookup concrete shrinkage if you want some science. Watch this talk show host if you want to get dumber.", "Yeah, that was his big own, but it was just like yeah when you put it that way it actually sounds really cool and good.", "Brilliant", "I totally agree, and that viscerally upsets me, because we're failing the children.", "for a brief second he wanted to laugh but decided to just let it air.", "Yes from multiple projections, you just stated you’ve formed an opinion too though? So just projection then?", "I was a cement worker and you can actually reuse the wood quite a few times for retaining walls. Then the wood usually gets repurposed for other uses. Bosses are cheap and will not replace or throw away anything unless they absolutely have to.\n\nOnce had a retaining wall blow out on a tall high rise and it sucked.", "Didn't say it was a teaching position exactly, I was a private tutor hired by the university I studied at who made sure the fancy college football players grades stayed high enough to keep playing ball. I actually sort of fibbed, I've been working in education since I was 16 if you count tutoring after school but was sure someone would call BS or say that doesn't count or whatever so I chose to go for my first professional job with an education institution. I also have classroom teaching experience but that came later.", "Because they are saying that finding \"success\" in school can be very different for each student. And frankly, homework is just preparing kids for unpaid overtime rather than any actual benefits. If you teach them well enough, whatever subject, those who excel will show themselves. Just because one student sucks abysmally in math does not mean they deserve to be viewed as a failure and held back a grade, or made to work extra on a subject they will never choose to try exceeding in. Homework only forces unneeded stress on kids who just deserve to be kids outside of school.", "Wait, they doubled down! The radio station saw this as a win WTF https://i.imgur.com/n20pAW5.jpg", "The \"yeah you can\" instantly reminded me of Argument Clinic.", "Guys clearly what he means is you firstly develop a rich marine ecosystem dominated by crustaceans, allowing their shells to fall to the bottom of the ocean and be compressed into sedimentary rock known as limestone, then wait for geological action to lift the sea floor above the surface so you can easily harvest the limestone for use in cement, the key ingredient in concrete.\n\nIt couldn't be simpler!", "How do you deal with people who dont live in reality and hypocrisy is a daily occurance? \n\nA person that calls for the jailing of all BLM protestors, but simultaneously says the people who attacked the capital are just patriots, is fucking delusional on a level that cannot be reasoned with.\n\nIt isnt about disagreeing on topics, people are literally out of their fucking minds.", "lol so you are trying to generalize all teaching while only having experience teaching one thing? Do you have a degree IN EDUCATION then or just a nice resume spot for TUTOR? Cause I tutored in college as well, but I don't claim to be in education.", "It's embarrassing watching him debate college students, too.", "He's angry because he cannot sexually satisfy his wife, who is a doctor.", "I’m stealing this. You’re gonna become that “someone said it on reddit person.”", "i keep saying this about this clip, wood is a carbon sink!!", "This interaction is one of those 'both sides entrench their views' ones.\n\nBoth the host and the carpenter have said something which the opposing side view as thoroughly ridiculous - those who oppose the carpenter as a left-wing tree hugger will no doubt be blabbing on about 'how do you cut down the trees, where do you get the electricity from for your tools' etc, and will be taking that organic 'concrete' story as being proof he had no idea what he was on about. Those who oppose the host as a right-wing commentator will be reacting as most in here do. It's truly a video clip which both parties walk away from feeling smug about.", "\"He's a lumberjack, that's not okaaaay\"", "I stated there will be pros and cons, and obvious challenges in the short term. What about that is not true? I don’t think any of that is forming a strong opinion on something 10-20 years in the future. You crack me up", "Spoiler alert! They aren't actually a teacher! They \"tutored for the college\" and before that(\"They sort of fibbed\"[humble bragged] they did the same at 16 but you know, that experience may not count for some people).....my wife with a degree in education/teaching would very much agree this person is full of SHIT.", "That's simply untrue. It takes time to convert an idea from short term memory to long term memory. If you are introduced to a topic in class but then do not revisit that thought for a full 24 hours it is much more likely to be forgotten than it is to be consolidated. Homework provides an opportunity to touch back on this topic later in the day and keep it fresh long enough for it to \"take root\", so to speak.", "\"Just gonna let that hangin the air, like the bad fart it is...\"", "Can anyone make any sort of sense of what he meant by concrete “grows?” He sounds insane and I refuse to think anyone his age would genuinely mean what he said. Is there some semblance of an argument here that he’s trying to latch on to that gives this any sort of context? I am desperate for answers.", "Not only that but you can't just use any old sand. A lot of it comes from destroying river ecosystems.", "Have you ever been a \"Lead\" teacher? You know, as in being THE teacher?", "Yes we get it, you support it and anyone who says it will be a net loss is an idiot.", "Welcome to Right Wing Media. Doubling down on stupid since the Reagan era.", "Regardless of how Left-leaning politicians align themselves with corporations, it doesn't make the fact that the term \"Liberal\" in the united states is used to refer to social policy, not an economic one. The term has been so muddied that young Democrats don't even refer to themselves as \"Liberals\" anymore but instead tend to use the term \"Progressives\".\n\nIf only we followed the Germans during their socialist awakening the world would be such a great place! /s", "I learnt on one of the recent Kurzgesagt YouTube videos that concrete accounts for something like 8% of problematic environmental gasses, and so it isn't just enough to improve vehicles etc.", "Ok Wargames", "Most teachers specialize in one subject. I have a mathematics degree and years of mathematics teaching experience, I'm not sure why you decided I'm some kind of fraud. I have an education career today, have had one for over a decade, and I think that makes me qualified to have an opinion on education methods.", "You can pinpoint the exact moment the internet realizes. It's glorious.", "I actually don’t support it I voted remain. But like I said, I’m not blinded by hatred so have a better view than you.", "What age group do you teach specifically then? That is important but I question you because as a husband of a legitimate teacher, college degreed and all, you sound like you have no idea what methods are being taught at this point in time.", "I need to see the double down.", "Yeah, only a fucking stupid idiot loser like Cameron or Jesus Christ would have such a stupid job!", "Yes I’m sure, yes I’m blinded by hate for seeing it as a net negative, anyone that doesn’t agree with you is an idiot and blind like you’ve said right? \n\nYou sound like the one blinded by anger and hate but tell me more condescending nonsense", "So genuine question as i am a dumbass in this topic: \n\n(1) is the only reason why trees as a building material better for the climate than concrete because concrete is finite whereas trees arent? \n\n(2) i hear a lot of concerning articles about forests being cut down (eg brazil) which seems to my simple brain that using trees is what is causing that. Is this a different issue? \n\n(3) why cant we make law allowing only trees to be used for building material if its more sustainable than concrete? \n\n(4) is using trees as a building material better than concrete only better if the cut down trees are immediately replaced by planting new ones? I ask this because if we just simply cut down trees, doesnt that harm the encironment (something to do with greenhouse gases?)", "That matters not one iota to individual success in school, I'm going to just say BOO. If a student has no interest/desire or even mental intellect to comprehend a subject, you sending them homework about that subject, will not change a thing. EXCEPT you punishing them for not doing it. That does not teach them good habits or expectations. You cannot make someone a mathematician or musician or linguist or WHATEVER! by sending them home with homework. IT JUST WONT HAPPEN.", "Yeah, as long as you plant more trees, the practice is carbon negative. Trees store a shit load if carbon and it is locked up in the house until it burns down or decays after a hundred years.", "I have been \"the\" teacher before, yes. In fact I have been \"the\" teacher for every grade from 6th through 12th, at three different schools, in different school districts, including a sped inclusion school with a very diverse student population. I'm not sure why you have such a hardon for calling out my experience, besides I could just be making all this shit up.", "Yep I literally had to stop five seconds in. Fuck Jeremy Kyle.", "They later tweeted out an article that says that maybe in the future bacteria can grow concrete! Fascinating. But using a tree to build something takes the carbon from the air and holds it in place for a bit. Meanwhile the trees you planted after cutting down the last trees are growing and absorbing more carbon! And concrete is still sucking up resources and energy and making pollution. Sadly we need both to have the lifestyles we enjoy today. But we can move on in the future.", "> So other than the obvious fact that no resource on Earth is infinite\n\nThat's why I edited it to say \"renewable\". Certainly you'd agree that trees are not a finite resource, yes?", "Never Interupt your enemy when he is making a mistake", "I appreciate that you are the only one to answer the question I posed. Thank you.", "You're more right than you know.\n\nI work in retail and I deal with people this stupid everyday. I learned this trick many years ago and it ALWAYS works. Simply tell them the facts, when they claim otherwise, tell them just no and why ONCE. After that, the conversation ends where I offer to hand them over to a manager.\n\nOne of two things happen, always. Either they give up and leave, very upset they didn't get the reaction they wanted. Or they ask to see manager. If they chose the latter, 10/10 the encounter was always gonna end this way anyway. I just made it happen faster and this helps out the manager because a shorter story is always better than a fight you have to explain.", "That was actually his defense in an interview he did after this one", "Also good to understand the concrete isnt growing, the organism is using minerals and wood as it's basis for growth, but in reality, just replaces what is there, and fills in cracks that form. \n\nThe small amount of \"growth\" from these, comes in the form of carbon absorbed from the air. Which is you know, the same thing trees do, but without the need of lye, aggregate and sand.", "It's like when you're potty training your kid and you let them piss themselves and just stand in it for a while. Like: see little one? See why toilets are marvelous!?", "But like a 4 year old playing with a controller with no batteries, he thinks won.", "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.", "Look man, if we're going to keep going back and forth all night let's just keep it to one comment chain for simplicity. It certainly sounds like you're implying that the fact that you married a teacher somehow outweighs my literal decades of experience. I don't know what I did to get you so riled up but I can assure you that I am \"legitimate\"", "wait that wasn't just an Indiana Jones thing", "Concrete requires rebar, which is steel. The manufacturing of steel requires a shit ton of coal.", "Trump famously stiffs carpentry workers on his buildings sites and has a general contempt for engaging plebs too closely for too long so no I don't think right wing audiences have all the much respect for honest working people. Thats a detail they can ignore about their savior (among so much else).", "This is why I hate that we have to play a game of compromise with these people. You can't compromise with sheer stupidity, and if they wont make themselves educatable there's really only one way to eliminate that kind of stupidity from your society", "Tweet was just deleted I think, can someone repost?", "You are the one getting so riled up. Keep your emotions in check.", "Your clip is almost 2hrs long lol", "This is an incredible concept and you have changed a life today", "You used more words and said the same thing...", "Yea... so... you actually can grow concrete. Generally we don't, but it can be done. You can make concrete from shells. You bake the shells, and it drives off the CO2, you mix this with sand and water, and you have mortar - or sometimes it's called portland cement. Add a few rocks or more shells as aggregate, and you have concrete.", " Frankly? Because you don't seem to know shit about teaching methods in the current time period, that's why. And you still only claim to have a 'mathematics' degree which, again, is specific, AND also not a mathematics 'teaching' degree. There IS a difference(which I will also point out means only a small % of those students will give value to math to begin with) so how are you helping the kids who have to be in your class but have no interest in math? Do you just give them poor grades, and tell them they will amount to nothing because they can't \"do their math homework?!\" You can teach math!? great! Can you teach those who don't understand math to not get unfairly punished just because they didn't do their homework or pursue your passion? Teaching involves FAR more than just knowing one subject.", "Shit and I thought our news anchors in the US were morons", "Well, engaging to allow moving the goalposts is what the host wanted him to do. My man cameron dunked on him in 4D by just letting the awkwardness take over. Brilliant", ">Regardless of how Left-leaning politicians align themselves with corporations\n\nYou still don't get the point ... they are not left. They are overall only slightly more left than republicans.. but still firmly on the right side... \n\n>If only we followed the Germans during their socialist awakening the world would be such a great place! /s\n\nYes, if only you followed Lassalle and Bebel... alas here we are.\n\n>young Democrats don't even refer to themselves as \"Liberals\" anymore but instead tend to use the term \"Progressives\". \n\nThat's because those who refuse the label aren't liberals, that's the point... but you do you.", "Aouch that was a painful watch", "The anchor asked him what he was currently glued to, because some Insulate Britain activists have been glueing themselves to roads as part of their protest. He cold opens with a jab, and gets a fairly straight response tbf", "Really, even in context I wasn't sure he was being sarcastic until he started muttering about never wanting to talk to such people. He really is that dumb.", "I’m sure you believe that to make yourself feel better and superior lmao", ">He thinks\n\nThat's where you're wrong buddy... He doesn't. At least in a rational way. Most of his brain is busy prejudicing against \"lefty idiots\"", "Why did he wanna suck the carpenters penis?", "Just wow...\n\nI haven't seen someone brain fart that hard since the dude repping for Roy Moore on CNN.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYRkzznsc0", "The only sad thing is that Trump has proven that saying stupid things even if they are crazy still doesn't change the minds of the followers they just makes them angrier. Its like the nerd makes the bully look stupid. He will get angrier and then try to resort to the only power he has: violence", "The 'no' shake is more noticeable than the smirk, to me. I can believe I can't seem him quick-exhale in a surprise laugh at all.", "to be fair by and large liberals aren’t really left leaning on a broader political scale. most democratic positions would be considered center or center right in many european countries", "This is what \"keeping frame\" looks like btw", "It's an act. They (right wing media) play that role to appease and garner subscription from those that are too easily lead without processing the most basic of thoughts logically.\n\nUnfortunately that demographic is larger than we previously imagined.", "Lol", "Stop the checkmate!", ">Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.\n\n-Jean-Paul Sartre", "“he didn’t lose the debate! he just went into it extremely unprepared!”\n\n\nyes that is what we in the business call losing lmao", "Trees are decidedly a finite resource. Their existence also contributes to a number of other finite resources. \n\nIf your argument is that the materials for concrete are plentiful, then yeah they are, some of them maybe for a few more millennia at the current rate of consumption. We use up the sand and minerals much faster than they are created, therefore it is unsustainable, or non-renewable. \n\nUnfortunately there is often no distinction made with the term renewable when referring to exogenous sources like wind, solar or water and then theoretically sustainable materials like lumber, hemp and bamboo. So hopefully the distinction brings some clarity.", "is he the single market guy?", "Fuck! That was good!", "Too many letters. Me no like", "Holy shit, as a right leaning person that was fucking painful when he started talking shit about lefties. Record scratch moment. \n\nThis moron has no idea what he’s talking about. Also the concrete that “grows” …doesn’t. \nIt’s basically a biological curing agent that only has the strength of mortar once cured. The article claims you still need CONCRETE to make the stuff anyways… I’m sure it’s far less but still, so does mortar and you’re basically getting the same thing.", "That’s a insult to American Alex Jones. He’s crazy, not fully retarded.", "Anything used in the western world is grown on a tree farm and has been for going on 50 years now. Southern Yellow Pine is a cash crop in the States and so is European Beech and Fir in most of Europe. Deforestation in the Amazon is happening so ranchers can graze cattle on the newly grown grass fertilized by the trees burned. This nice growing soil last a year or two at most and they move on to slash and burn some more. At least SE Asia has started to figure out that Teak wood farming is more lucrative long term than doing things like they do it in Brazil.", "Trees are finite. The context of that statement is to make sure that pedants don't use that technical fact to distract from the point.\n\nThe difference between the renewability of trees and concrete is that you can plant and grow trees for a really long time (using smart horticultural practices) in a relatively small area. Very, very helpfully the vast majority of a tree's mass is carbon coming from carbon dioxide extracted from the air.\n\nConcrete requires rocks and sand, we can't grow rocks we have to go and mine rocks and sand and when they run out in one area we go elsewhere, having deleterious effects on the environment each time. These things once used are not practically replaceable through human actions like planting a tree, so we have to wait for geological processes. Which if the dipshit radio guy thinks 100 years is a long time to wait for a tree to grow that timescale would blow his mind.", "What did the interviewer say after the \"hello\"? Is it \"What are you occlude to Cameron?\"", "That face. You can see the hamster running.\n\n\"Is... is it true...? but if Trump did it.. I'll mention Trump!... Wait.. is that... whaaaaaa.....????\"", "> Pretty sure the person in the ambulance died.\n\nPretty sure that never happened.", "This is some \"tide goes out tide comes in you can't explain it\" level of idiocy.", "Well, one thing definitely can’t “grow” up (hint: it’s him)", "Any mirrors outside of Twitter?", "Hyuk, listen to this guy, growing trees and then cutting them down, he must hate trees. Not like concrete, you wouldn't try to cut concrete down now would you /s", "No, even with context", "Don't let him read any poetry.", "I dont agree that we should take away peoples right to hold a talk show or whatever just cause they have wack beliefs, the problem is that this shit somehow garners an audience and is therefore economically feasible. Idk how to fix that", "I haven't heard of him either but I'm in Australia. As soon as I saw that clip and heard his high pitched whiny voice I noped right out of there.", "Is this enough to get someone expelled from congress?\n\nHow...does a person so stupid even get into that position?", "It's like that Mitchel and Webb skit about Farming. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/_pDTiFkXgEE", "In what way did the guest come off as dumb?", "How... how can a person with so little education even be there? That's like a 5 year old speaking.", "Some dude who gets upset about how hot his sister is and how everyone wants to fuck her. Including himself.", "Insulate Britain is the group the carpenter is apart of, I am guessing the person you replied to was put out by one of their protests blocking roads or something and misses the point.", "Sticking stuff inside yourself. Sticking yourself inside stuff. A candle in your dick or your head in a noose, we knew it was going to be big trouble.", "I was watching this while in the car with my mom. She was like, \"Is that a Monty Python clip?\"", "And then there's the related \"fridge moment\"", "Great!, Let get logging in California! and thin out (rake) the forests", "Stuff this guy and Tucker Carlson into a rocket and shoot them both into the Sun.", "Don't worry mate. We'll get you back up to the positives. Own that shit. People just didn't get the reference sadly.", "Just about to watch the clip after reading this. Disappointed this isn't referring to the uae of 'hemp-crete', which would be concrete you grow, but obviously not the same context as what was referred to here.", "K", "Also Cameron's basically what the Brexit crowd wants! Local jobs in forestry, manufacturing and craftsmanship, adding value all along the chain!", "George Washington famously cut down his father's concrete tree.", "Maybe UK logging ... do they have any trees to log?", "conservatives are a plague upon humanity", "This, for example the republicans saying \"the democrats don't wanna talk to us, they're against partisanship.\"\n\nNO SHIT! the democrats wasn't the party saying \"they gonna destroy america and sell it to china\" for 3 years and now they should work together....", "Like what? Seriously, I am trying to find what could you mean and after several rewatches I dont get what could be the bad explanation here.", "On some issues, even if there was room to compromise, no amount of give will be enough to appease someone who's set on denying everything no matter what. Giving in to the taunt and trying to do what should be viewed as \"fair\" just leads to being blocked into ineffectiveness- and even after giving up everything still being nagged and made an example as if no attempt were made even when it was.", "Man that clip is hilarious \"You're not a million miles off\" \"Is that a yes\" hahaha", "The best part is they posted it themselves as if they'd won the argument. Fucking goobers.", "Oh my god - he probably thinks it’s trending for exactly the wrong reasons", "Just wow", "Money was my currency 6 years ago when my missus and I were living on a single paycheck and making one pot of spaghetti last a week at a time. Doesn't mean I was any good with it.", "The tweet replies are full of idiots agreeing that the talk show won...\n\nThere are people arguing that trees are not sustainable because you will \"run out of carbon\"....", "Can you please use youtube or some other player where you can watch videos without an account?", "Did they raise the pitch of his voice in post? Ben sounds like hes from Alvin and the chipmunks.", "Well that’s just a contradiction, it’s not an argument!", "6 hours and he didn't call an ambulance?", "First time I heard him talk. Sounds like a human squirrel.", "I didn’t think I’d be sitting down and watching 70+ minutes of comedy tonight but that was excellent", "Brutish shock jocks are the worst, just such bad faith", "By maybe not giving them a platform to spew their uninformed and deliberately malicious garbage from?", "My thoughts exactly! This was great to watch...it was like a low-level version of the Cathy Newman interview with Jordan Peterson. \n\nLove seeing these TV \"journalists\" get dunked on and left looking foolish for everyone to see.", "Jeremy Kyle is comparable to Jerry Springer in the US, with an added dose of Jenny Jones murder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Scott_Amedure", "[Murder of Scott Amedure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Scott_Amedure) \n \n >Scott Bernard Amedure (January 26, 1963 – March 9, 1995) was an American murder victim. During a taping of The Jenny Jones Show, a television talk show, Amedure revealed that he was attracted to an acquaintance, Jonathan Schmitz (born (1970-07-18)July 18, 1970). Three days later, Schmitz confronted Amedure and shot him twice in the chest. He confessed to the killing and was found guilty of second degree murder.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "You don't get the point, they absolutely are because American politics models itself off of American politics, not European ones. \n\nAh yes crediting Germany's socialism to Lassalle and Bebel is about as close to Germany's socialist awakening as FDR is to America's lmfao. You think the USA doesn't have social programs? That's on-par with calling Stalin or Mao true Marxists.\n\nProgressives are social liberals, that's absolutely the point here that seems to be going far over your head. Corporate regulation, political and civil liberties may look entirely different in two different countries. Almost as if the world isnt a single completely homogeneous society with identical culture, laws, and beliefs.\n\nI think you have a pretty rough understanding of the English language and it's intricacies. But you do you.", "Could have done better if when the dick head said “you can grow concrete”, he simply asked “how?”", "That gets into the dangerous territory of censorship, where it would be impossible to reach an agreeable consensus on what is and what is not allowed.", "The tides thing is better because you know Bill heard that from someone at some point and took it in as being true without thinking about it.\n\nWe got a peek behind his level of critical thinking from a single sentence.\n\nAnd he used to be a high school teacher.", "i'm ignorant .... is this supposed to be satire?", "It has me rolling tbh..almost like straight out of the office. The subtle head shake and smile", "I'd reply with everything has an environmental cost. Eventually all resources will become scarce. The question is how fast do you want to get there? I'm using my <resource> to reduce this <greater harm>.", "Nah fuck that guy, that was thoroughly enjoyable", "He could have \"owned\" that activist in the bad faith argument he presented, where if you own a phone you can't speak out about reducing plastic use because you yourself are using plastic. But in realityland just because a person's occupation isn't fully renewable that doesn't mean they can't care about the environment, especially if what's non-renewable about their occupation is as essential and unreplaceable as insulation.", "Is this…is this not a parody?", "It's like how tech bros keep accidentally inventing busses.", "Jeremy Kyle had a US show as well I think. I haven't watched broadcast TV in years.", "Assassin's Creed 2-5", ">\tIt's almost as if a lot of these Christians aren't really.\n\nIt’s almost as if a part of being virtuous is not proclaiming how virtuous you are.", "Lol why does he bring up Bob Geldof?? Like what?", "It is fucking hilarious how ridiculously mad everyone in the comments is 😂", "Jesus was more likely a stone mason. The word used in the bible was oikodomeo which means house builder. Houses weren't usually made of timber.", "Jesus, what an utter charisma void that host is. Watched a follow-up clip with his co-host Ash, and it was definitely a 0 x 0 situation.", "Probably a tea shit?", "If there are, they are keeping unusually quiet about it - all the replies on twitter are laughing their asses off at this moron running the show.", "The bit he's referring to is maybe 20 seconds after the link time.", "Dumb ass hill to die on", "I'm pretty sure he was temporarily paralyzed from being exposed to so much stupidity", "I think him being a carpenter completely threw him off too. He was clearly expecting some easy target like \"student\", or something middle class sounding, or just unemployed. He'd probably built this entire interview in his head hinging around the idea that the guest was was a hypocrite and was completely fucked when he said something as blue-collar and as fitting to his cause as carpenter.", "lol this fucking buffoon of a newscaster is what we’re talking about.", "James O'brien made a funny point yesterday. Certain people are freaking out about a hypothetical ambulance maybe being blocked while not caring about actual ambulances currently stuck queuing up in the hospitals.", "Even with the context it still feels like a joke.", "So how do you grow concrete? Did you know trees sequester carbon?", "TIL!", "What’s going on with modern conservatives in western nations? (Potentially elsewhere too, I just don’t see enough examples) they seem to be getting dumber at a pretty alarming rate. I mean conservatism has existed forever, and arguably were able to articulate their positions well, and have what they believed to be the best policies for their areas. But now? Jewish space lasers, satanic cannibal pizza basements, growing concrete, etc. is it just a bias that these just dominate the media cycle? Do regular smart conservatives still exist? Where are they? Do they denounce this idiocy? I need so many answers.", "Because the host is a child. But I also think he'd probably built this interview around the idea that this guy would be a \"typical middle class/student activist telling everyone what to do\" or something, and then realised he had fucking nothing when the guy said carpenter. Would sort of explain why he went all in on \"fuck carpentry\", then just probably realised thenlonger this went the dumber he'd look.", "As long as you're cutting down adult trees it doesn't really do anything to hurt with regards to CO2 either though. Trees do still consume CO2 to grow leaves but those leaves fall off and release it back into the atmosphere, so it just ends up being cyclical net zero. Ideally we'd want to replant though, for lots of reasons.", "Gets proved objectively wrong with literal facts.\n\nWhY thE ShAdE\n\nFucking smooth brained bitch", "The larch.", "White guy argues semantics for no reason, a tale as old as time", "It works well when combating climate change as well", "What's funny is the talk show host thinks he won because he didn't say anything.", "but then wouldn't one be an idiot for playing chess with a pigeon in the first place?!", "And as soon as you get the censorship you'll find the political power to wield it lies with big money backing, and big money is far more interested in shutting down climate debate than promoting it, and the same would go for anything else on the economic left.", "I don't think many people in the UK had even heard of this channel yesterday, let alone this wanker. They've definitely increased recognition", "A whopping success for Insulate Britain too though. They're not too popular at the moment.", "Even if that's what he meant, it's a non sequitur.\n\nConcrete shrinks when it dries, but even if it didn't, it has nothing to do with the fact that concrete can't regenerate itself like a tree can.", "I mean, if forcing kids to conform with an outdated, detrimental ideal of education is cool, you do you. I hope you get paid a living wage for it at least.", "I mean I agree but in this context I literally never know what politics someone has when they say they're liberal", "I really don't know what his thought process was, \"ha ha, gotcha. Anyone who believes in construction and living within buildings isn't serious about their climate activism. \"", "This guy can't really believe it takes a 100 years for a tree to grow, can he?", "He should have been a guest on his own show with how he stole his wife's credit card to run up gambling debts and having inappropriate relationships with underage girls.", "Wonder what material old lard ass' house is made of?", ">as a right leaning person\n\nIf you have a brain and some morals then maybe you'd want to look into other options.", "I've noticed it a lot with right wing talking heads. If they can't distract or divert the conversation they attack the opponent. Their position has no merit so they can't just defend their views.", "Does he... does he think \"lime\" in limestone is the lime fruit or something???", "\"What are you glued to, Cameron?\"\n\n\nInsulate Britain protestors notoriously glue their hands to roads to block traffic while protesting.", "That was Cameron", "concrete seeds dont sprout", "Concrete is made from cement and sand or gravel. Cement is made from limestone and clay (using insane amount of energy btw). \n\nHow anyone would get the idea that anything in this process even remotely involves „growing“ something is beyond me.", "what do he respond? see you cameron cheer you/see you?", "Sorry, I don't understand this. Why do you want to avoid the \"why did I have the bowl\" argument? I guess maybe I don't understand what \"spirit of the staircase\" means?", "Still working for me", "Technically speaking you can \"grow\" concrete over the course of....\n.... *several million years of waiting* for carcasses of organic lifeforms turning into limestones. \n\nI guess.", "Geddoudahere.", "You must admit that the right is a little bit more ignorant then the left. Not saying there aren't problems but c'mon.", ">\t\"Liberal\" means \"liberal\" in American English, too. We're just using it to refer to different things. When you use \"liberal\" by itself, you are implicitly talking about economic liberalism. That is, less government involvement in economic affairs. But when we use \"liberal\" by itself, we're implicitly talking about social liberalism. That is, less government involvement in the regulation of morality and other social issues.\n\nClassical liberalism entails both. You’re reducing European usage to _free-market_ liberalism.", "The sad part of it all is that your profession has little to do with your goal to stem climate change. You still have to keep living despite the world we live in. However, you can still inspire change in your personal life or beyond your work.", "I've read that story!!! But I actually just know of that phrase separately.", "The tone of the host is clear that he is there to pick a fight.\n\n\"What do you do for living,\" and he said it with an obvious sneer.\n\nNothing good will come out of this, except maybe the idiocy of the host might convince some people that climate change denialism is stupid.", "People with money paying idiots to endlessly debate stupid shit so they can distract us while they keep stealing more money.", "You can tell the host is expecting him to say he's unemployed or he does something that's bad for the environment. But being a carpenter is like the most down to earth thing you could do.", "He means in terms of carbon release. Trees absorb carbon. Concrete takes a lot more fossil fuels to produce.", "The host kept interrupting him. He was trying to explain. I think when someone says to you straight faced that you can grow concrete like you can grow trees they're not arguing in good faith so there is absolutely no point in engaging with them.", "Concrete requires a very specific grade of sand, sand is not renewable, at least not in the lifetime of the human civilization, so no concrete is not renewable.\n\nSustainable lumber can easily be grown back within 5-15 years (depending on the lumber used) and done right you can even expand the lumber output over time.", "Is this how they got Brexit?", "Allegedly allegedly. Also the person in the ambulance didn't die. That didn't happen. I understand the frustration. But maybe MAYBE be more annoyed at the government which is ruining your planet and the future. I mean even if you don't agree with them you have to admit this was a monumental L for the host.", "I am offended and you are correct.", "Yeah I don't think it's unsustainable in terms of material but in terms of carbon. I think Cameron would have explained that if the idiot hadn't interrupted him.", "Obama and Biden fall right of centre as well.", "That's top swearing mate, well done.", "That and concrete shrinks as it dries, it does the opposite of growing", "\"You put water, sand and cement in a mixer and it grows concrete.\" \n\nThat's his justification for saying concrete grows.", "I can confirm you are using both those terms, absolutely, undeniably, correctly.", "And ironically, it's the harvesting and making something useful part that makes trees such a great carbon sink. Growing trees is useful for extracting carbon from the air, but over time those trees release that carbon back into the atmosphere as the tree rots or burns. For all the talk about how important the Amazon is for capturing carbon, it's been a net emitter of carbon over the last couple years, by some estimates. \n\nWhat harvesting trees for lumber does is capture that carbon and sink it. You're essentially burying that carbon in the buildings you make.", "There are some up and coming start ups that can make “concrete” or concrete substitutions using mushrooms or Cyanobacteria but I think they’re still in the R & D phase. \n\nBut yeah. The carpenter, whose profession is to utilize and know their building materials just to stare in silence at the sheer ignorance of such a comment hits pretty hard, like a fart in a library.", "Obama and Biden were in full support of free-for-all capitalism back home and imperialism abroad. By all metrics that count they're indistinguishable from Bush and Trump.", "Yes. And he knows what it is.", "That’s a funny hill to die on. That person says carpentry is hard work, and you’re saying they’re lying to children", "Never play chess with a pigeon. \nNo matter how well you play, it’ll still strut around, knock over all the pieces and then shit on the board.", "What's with the host's weird twitching", "Considering they have a lot of good other stuff it probably will serve as good exposure - albeit that this particular video is embarrassing", "Is this guy trying to be an English Alex Jones or something? Absolute moron", "Slam dunk.... Returned.", "It's like he saw the term \"Conrete Plant\" in a book, assumed you could grow concrete, then called it a day. Maybe he should stick to [picture books](https://i.imgur.com/H5mqsKs.png).", "Wait REALLY? I could have sworn the guy on the left was scathing and sarcastically insulting Mike Graham whilst egging him on. \n\nIf you're serious then my immediate thought is that the interviewer's entire on air personality is an improv act that's embellishing emotions for politicization's sake, because I haven't seen melodrama like that since I last watched Coronation street.", "That could maybe a concern if they weren't already doing that. Left wing voices get censored all the time and nobody on the Right will cry about it. Climate change debate in particular has seen many movements by big oil to try and shut down any debate, for christ sake they even knew the effects of climate change in the 70s and hid it, this isn't some speculative future this is what we deal with now, so excuse me if I don't feel bad when any selfish idiot loses their \"right\" to a platform.", "It's pathetic people like this guy are on TV. And how many people support people like him... It's really sad.", "Okay so from what I gather insulate Britain is a group that wants more heat insulation on houses in the country and that is bad how exactly? That's an insanely common sense approach to do at least do something about climate change. It even pays for itself because you reduce the amount of money you pay for heating. How is this controversial?", "something a tankie would say, for $200.", "Hold on, let me prayerfully pray on it. And yes I saw someone use that word, prayerfully, in a very serious sentence.", "Once there are enough pigeons, it's no longer a chess tournament. It's a shitting-on-things tournament, and you're losing.", "Well, He's good at doubling chins", "Growing wood is pathetic though, he should have just followed the British traditions of growing concrete trees like they did for the great british navy.", "Insulate Britain are really unpopular at the moment too. Like it's a fairly soft target (I like them but that's just me). But instead he goes after his job which is a carpenter. Like the most down to earth job in the world.", "I've only seen the people ripping him apart. I don't care to see anyone defending him. Life is too short.", "I think one of the funnier things I've found about this skit is, after living on a farm and hanging out with farmers a lot over the last couple years (I'm not a farmer), I've learned that farming is really fucking hard and is barely worth the money. Unless you own a multi-generational, already established farm.", "Piers Morgan, is that kind of language allowed on Reddit? It's effectively swearing at this point, scum\n\n/s", "Look, man, he got the votes. He should be in charge. lol", "Totally was thinking of a sick comeback and went “nope, can’t top that” and just let it sit. Genius.", "Ate they happy chopping down trees?", "I'm highly critical of the US education system myself because I believe the lecture model doesn't allow adequately attending to differences or giving individual students enough 1 on 1 attention. But I also realize teachers as individuals don't have much latitude to do anything about it.", "Ya… I know what he means. That’s the point of the joke. Everyone missed it.", "Deforestation is also largely the result of property acquisition and farmland creation. Most wood humans use is grown on farms", "Yeah carpentry and woodworking is actually pretty cool.", "Can't wait for your civil war guys, gotta be right around the corner soon or?", "Love this show. Immediately knew it by the quote. Newest episode is great, as usual!", "Shame about the legit views everyone is giving this.just reinforces their behaviour to act as retarded as possible.", "So long as we don't burn them afterwards. There is a practical limit to the effectiveness of new forest as carbon capture devices. At worst they are carbon neutral though so still considerably better overall.", "If you look at some of the responses on the linked Twitter post, this is indeed the case.", "Well he's certainly overpaid, roll on type II.", "\"That was Cameron. He grows trees and then cuts them down and then makes things from them. Brilliant. Marvelous. I don't think I ever want to talk to any of those people.\"\n\nI couldn't stop giggling.", "That was painful to watch. The host clearly has an agenda and can't admit when he says something blisteringly stupid. Even his bit at the end is ridiculous. Yep, that's what carpenters do. Nice summary.", "Not if we make those arrests. 3-point dunk", "As an expert, How’s this years concrete crop adjusting to the weather?", ">That's where you're wrong buddy... He doesn't\n\nOh, you are wrong. He certainly does. It's his audience that doesn't, and he plays them. He relies on their unwillingness to think.", "A rare self dunk if you will.", "He’s a moron, that’s why he thinks he won the argument. The station are even sharing this like like he won it.", "Well, the plans have been up for a while already.", "Oh, he's the British Dr. Phil.", "I'm from the UK and I have not. And in fairness I am sure I will forget they exist by tomorrow.", "Brilliant", "\"Well, physically I'm still here, but I think my mind just left reality along with your last comment.\"", "Holy shit. A similar thing happened to a mate of mine at an Adam Hills (Australian comedian) show. Pointed him out and asked what he did. I can't remember why.\n\n\"I work at the children's hospital.\"\n\n\"Oh... And what do you do there?\"\n\n\"I work in the cancer ward.\"\n\nTo his credit, he took it like a champ and turned the joke around on himself.", "My background is in structural engineering in Canada, so I can't help with all of your questions, but hopefully I can get you started. \n\nConcrete is primarily made up of a mixture aggregate (sand and gravel), cement, and water. Cement and water undergo a chemical reaction to form a sort of glue to hold together the sand and gravel. All components are vital for proper concrete.\n\nCement production releases a lot of CO2 into the atmosphere, and concrete mixtures require fresh water, which becomes locked into the final product. Concrete doesn't dry, it cures. Concrete also needs to be reinforced with steel to perform the way we need it to, which is also non-renewable, but recyclable in some applications. \n\n[There are more examples](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_concrete) of environmental impacts of concrete use, some of which can be reduced with varying levels of success.\n\nIn terms of legally requiring timber to be used instead of concrete, it would require buildings to be much shorter than are currently allowed when building with concrete. Small amounts of concrete would still be required for the building foundation, which at least would be an improvement from current practices.\n\nThe problem is that the sort of people who are funding tall concrete buildings don't want to limit the height (and therefore value) of their property for the purpose of sustainability. In order to increase the allowable height of timber structures, we need more research and education.", "Desktop version of /u/PragueRock's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_concrete>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "[Environmental impact of concrete](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_concrete) \n \n >The environmental impact of concrete, its manufacture and applications, are complex. Some effects are harmful; others welcome. Many depend on circumstances. A major component of concrete is cement, which has its own environmental and social impacts and contributes largely to those of concrete.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Merry Christmas Ja-", "The twitter replies are fucking gold.", "In the UK, no. Most people here aren't religious.", "This is quote of the day", "Are those the guys that glue themselves to the streets?", "We're not particularly Christian. Jesus doesn't come into our politics.", "> We have our % of brain dead idiots also. We just don’t elect them to the highest level of office. Before people say Boris is a clown, he is but he’s an educated clown at least.\n\nWhich speaks volumes for the UK education system", "i didnt know about talkradio but it sounds like it's connected to talkSport which is a sad state of a radio show that just plays good cop bad cop in every debate to just get people riled up and make phone calls. They abuse their power of muting people and deciding who comes on air to allow them to look good. It maybe just sport but it's a sad example of how idiots like them have power (not to say all of talksport staff are idiots but the key people are)", "\\- Mark Twain", "Never argue with an idiot, they drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.", "I think the fat guy thought he won the argument at that point...", "Tomorrow he's gonna have a concrete expert", "Hempcrete", "The best (worst?) Bit about this is the Twitter that posted it is the Twitter for the show - they are posting this as some sort of win?! And then they have posted a link to some fucking concept shit about \"growable concrete\" that doesn't exist yet. Fucking amazing, who can listen to this shit.", "We call them “Trumpers”", "Time stamp is at 5:45 for mobile users", "The more scary thing is, a lot of people in the UK share this kind of thinking. It's terrifying to know people actually are stupid enough to believe things like concrete is grown. \n\nLike...How?", "1) Partially: as the other user pointed out, producing concrete is also a CO2 intensive process. On the other hand, trees absorb CO2 while growing before being cut down for use, so as long as you are planting new trees every time others get cut, the process is CO2-neutral. (also answers 4)\n\n2) In that case, deforestation primarily happens to make space for agriculture. In any case the problems of cutting trees (which are not only limited to emissions) only arise if you are not planting new ones.", "To be fair,\n\nsays something totally untrue", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC0thT7hiDQ\n\nformer aussie prime minister doing this", "Not to mention growing trees use more CO2 and grown trees block growing trees from getting much needed sunlight.", "Interesting way to put it. This isn't something I've been able to articulate. I need to be more aware of when I'm arguing for the sake of it instead of in an effort to be \"truthful\" so to speak.", "Someone once said \"building libraries is fighting climate change\", and it wasn't even something cheesy about educating people, but that cutting trees, turning them into paper and books, and storing them in huge buildings, just take the carbon out of the nature, where it would have eventually been eaten or burned, both into co2.", "Jaysus... That guy is like a time capsule from 1996 commitee commercial radio", "Eh?", "Um why is no one mentioning how beautiful that ambulance man is.", "i don’t know anything about this man, but i can say with absolute certainty he voted in favor of brexit", "[I think you're right.](https://youtu.be/lPCinKhnAQc?t=478)", "Life is the onion these days.", "God damn that dude is dumb as fuck", "you chip a piece of concrete of a building and put it in some soil. next thing u know u have i big pillar or concrete that can be cut and then grinded into powder. this powder gets bagged into bags of 25 kilo (or more) and gets transported to building sites where all u need to do is mix with some water and bam i can use it", "The \"Merry Christmas\" at the end was bait too.", "Not only that, but the wood used to make things retains the co2 for as long as the product exists and doesn't decompose or burn . So by cutting a tree down and turning it into something of value, he is keeping the co2 from the atmosphere. It's literally sequestering carbon.", "Someone should have told him that 'the concrete jungle' is just a metaphor.", "That angle doesn't really work in the UK.\n\nOur right-wing nutjobs worship Brexit.", "He doesn't create wealth from wealth, he's worthless!", "Honestly I think that's what threw him off so much. He heard that a young guy named Cameron was coming on his show to talk about climate change and probably expected some posh college kid who was read to argue with him. \n\nThen a passive harding working model young man comes on screen - the type of guy they want to see more of - the host just can't process it. He must be hiding something!!! You can see the host immediately get flustered because he knows this guy isn't the image he wants to paint of climate activists.", "No it isn't", "This has to be a comedy sketch. It's the only explanation. Either way, it's just burst the Poe's-Law-o'meter.", "It used to be TalkSport and was mostly people arguing about football. Then Murdoch bought it and turned it into ShoutyMoronFM.", "Its clear he had his narrative set, and that was it. No room for any other ideas or argument and he just wanted to make an example of the guy. \n\nEnded up making an example of himself which ended up being.. yep... a blitering idiot.", "He cuts down trees, he eats his lunch, he goes to the lavatoryyyy", "The heir to a moist towelette empire, perhaps?", "Brian Regan has a bit about doing this.", "I guess the point is it’s ludicrously easy to make Insulate Britain look stupid by just questioning what they’re actually doing rather than questioning whether concrete grows.", "The crazy thing is, he doubled down on it later https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453048711228141569?s=20", "What's even funnier. After showing what a idiot they are, they then posted this video to their own Twitter account.", "I should start growing concrete and cruel oil in my backyard.", "Well.\n\nThis is the first I am hearing of Jeremy Kyle still being alive. \n\nI thought he was taken out behind the chemical sheds and shot.", "That's why you never feed trolls, just let them argue with themselves, it forces them to hear how stupid they sound.", "the way shapiro says he doesnt care is so childish lmao", "Those bloody sensitive hippy millennials and their.... Carpentry.", "It's okay, I doubt that man knows how to read.", "Shame most the comments are discussing if concrete really does expand which is almost entirely besides the point since the original context was comparing it to trees.\n\nThe guy said something absolutely ridiculous even if it was factually correct because, as he argues himself, it's not growing in the same way as trees. It's about climate change yet it's now talking about properties of concrete.", "If you see some of the internet follow up both the channel and the news anchor are doubling down. He goes on in an interview to talk about how in his profession words are your tools and he's very good at using them and \"grows\" can mean \"expands\" so ha! You CAN grow concrete!", "Wow, at first glance I was sure it would be the US. But it's your turn now Britain, it's your turn.", "Couldn't think why his face was so familiar. Since when was Jeremy Kyle some right wing news(?) talk show host?", "I got all of them except bow tie guy. Who’s that?", "Just 15 minutes ago they put up a poll:\n\n\"Is it possible to 'grow' concrete?\"\n\nhttps://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453271968480960518", "Isn't that professional grifter and human misery merchant Jeremy Kyle?", "My hovercraft is full of eels", "https://youtu.be/WFYRkzznsc0", "But it's also not concrete. Be like claiming an impossible burger is a meat product because it's called a burger.", "I think “the spirit of the staircase” means when you have a thought of what you should have said in an argument after the fact. \n\nThe “why did I have the bowl?” part I think means you could leave “remember when you ate my goldfish and then you said I never had a goldfish” on its own and the focus would be on the absurd reasoning put forth that Thrillho never had a goldfish to accuse Bart of killing to the lesser point of Milpool having a fish bowl. \n\nI don’t think they really fit together in this argument, but I could have “a spirit-of-just-after-posting” in which case I will edit my comment.", "Cannot. Can not implies that it is possible but not necessary", "How about a nice game of thermonuclear war?", "Dara O Briain is great, I can highly recommend his This Is The Show as well (also on YouTube I believe).", "that's actually an example of a dumbass shutting their mouth, which we don't get as often. Or I should say, silently gaping.", "indeed, if you like either of them then see the comment you replied to and do it", "I feel that laughing out loud uncontrollably and hanging up would have been better", "Both twats, frankly", "hey man, thanks for the info! i always felt a bit confused with tree usage. it feels environmentally friendly but also we gotta kill it... anyway thanks for clearing that up", "It’s low-hanging fruit, but Matthew 6:5 is \n\n>\tWhen you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.", "That slight shake of the head and then smirk - staying silent was so much more powerful", "I have to say I take the climate activists side here. I dont take activists side very often. \nIn reality, carbon is better in solid form, such as wood, even if sitting in a landfill, than as a gas in the atmosphere.", "First sentence of the article contains the phrase \"may one day\". Couldn't be more perfect if they tried.", "Look, if I argue with you I must take a contrary position!", "The thing is that demand for lumber outpaces the capacity to grow trees so old growth forests are being cut down. A Christmas tree takes 6-7 years to grow so imagine how long it takes to grow a tree that can be used to make a couple of 2x4s. The idea of wood being a renewable and economically viable resource is bullshit. Concrete lasts much longer and all of its ingredients are dug up from the ground. Concrete is better as a building material and that's why roads, bridges, large buildings are not made out of wood.", "🎼On Wednesday we go shoppin’, and have buttered scones for tea!", "I thought I was watching a clip from V for Vendetta.", "Amazing that TalkRadio actually posted this, they literally believe that the host \"owned\" that activist guy.", "never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity.", "Thanks, was wondering just how environmentally unfriendly making cement was. These figures just make his argument about growing cement even more pointless/ridiculous.", "This has to be satire. Can it be satire if it's not intentionally acted?", ">never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity.\n\nStupidity has become a national pastime in \\[INSERT COUNTRY HERE\\].", "Just like how you changed \"literally\" to mean \"not literally\". Thanks again for that one.", "I would still say that was a lot worse. Like, there's probably someone working on a concrete-like application of mycelium or something. This interviewer demonstrated profound ignorance of basic resources, but O'Reilly just straight denied science that a typical middle schooler will have encountered. Shit Isaac Newton figured out over 300 years ago, and Kepler had basically figured out over 400 years ago. The man is legitimately living in the dark ages.", "Without context, that is a good thing, is a sustainable process.", "Oh thanks. I closed out when I saw the total length. Headed back now\n\nEdit: start at 2:20", "I cannot for the life of me not read it as \"insulate brain\"", "Only when they echo each other. They absolutely hate it when naturally masculine tradies puncture their tough guy images and show them up for the pampered overpaid soft-handed TV dickheads they really are.", "Probably since they cancelled his show because someone killed themselves", "Hahahah yeah sure", "I was very concerned that’s what people here thought. Had to check which one was Cameron again to confirm the first comment wasn’t praising the host", "Calcium oxide accounts for generally less than 5% of concrete material. No, you can't grow concrete. It's the other materials, sand and the processing that are the issue, not the CaO.", "His opening is what pissed me off. ‘What are you glued to?’ Suggesting as a ‘youth’ he’s binging some sort of Netflix TV show instead of paying attention to his video call\n\nImmediately tried to discredit him.", "Or the Fast Show\n\nhttps://youtu.be/u6woaSJTMFU\n\nIn't trees brilliant. You plant them, they grow, you cut them down and make stuff from them like houses and boats and paper, then you plant another one which consumes more CO2 than the old one. Brilliant!", "Please don't. The myth is all we have!", "Weird thing about that. From what I've heard on the subject, the original text is more like \"builder,\" so given the materials that buildings in the area were made from, Jesus probably would've actually been a stone mason.", "Tweet's been deleted :(", "Well yeah, Obama blew up 'nuff kids.", "Just look at some of the replies slagging the carpenter off as \"middle class, University educated\". We have a big, big problem with anti-intellectualism in the UK. We are the America of Europe and shows like this one demonstrate that it's only getting worse. It's depressing to be someone with basic common sense over here.", "Just needs the curb your enthusiasm music at the end there.", "This is equivalent to when a 24 year old 4 stripe army grunt comments on anything and everything related to foreign affairs and military maneuvers like they are the general of the goddamn free world using their \"service in the military\" as a way to shut other people up. \n\n\nIt's all dunning-kruger dressed up differently. \n\n\nIn both the response to the original guy, and then the response to me, he/she cherry picked 1 specific thing and created a whole argument(?) about it. Because that's what you're taught to do in low level writing. You're taught to take the parts of a writing you do or don't like and comment on why you agree or disagree with the author. You're not taught proper logic and how to handle having a conversation or being open minded about what someone else is presenting to you. You're taught how to react.", "I do dislike the notion that everyone making these videos is actually very smart and are just feeding on the \"dumbass commoner\"s stupidity. Why can't this guy actually just be thick as pig shit, as well as his viewers?", "Depressingly, I do. Maybe not \"average\", but enough to swing election (and referendum) results considerably.", "Well, no. You can specifically source sustainable wood, and the amount of it increases every day. The ingredients for concrete aren't just \"dug up,\" and the processes they use release large amounts of carbon into the atmosphere. The calcium oxide and sand are very limited resources that mean concrete production won't last forever; in fact we're running out very quickly.", "[ Jump to 05:45 @ Referenced Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPCinKhnAQc&t=0h5m45s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: James Frost, Video Popularity: 93.37%, Video Length: [01:47:11])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@05:40](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPCinKhnAQc&t=0h5m40s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "[Silicon valley really likes to accidentally invent busses. ](https://www.stanforddaily.com/2018/04/09/when-silicon-valley-accidentally-reinvents-the-city-bus/)", "It's usually high schoolers, so not quite.", "Hows everyone elses concrete farm going? I keep watering it but it doesnt seem to be increasing :(", "That's not growing concrete then, is it?", "How so?", "He let him sit there and breathe in that stinky fart he just unleashed upon himself. \n\nUtter gold.", "The trick, like all hard jobs, is to own the business and land.", " This is the game. No one is owning him. Hes getting views clicks and shares. This is what he wants.", "What joke?", "> Why can't this guy actually just be thick as pig shit, as well as his viewers?\n\nBecause I can guarantee there is an intelligent person willing to fleece the stupid people who listen to him. \n\nAnd an intelligent person can usually outplay a dumb person, and will, if it means getting the money and position they want.\n\nSo it's not that I think a stupid person can't do this, it's that it's a platform that can lead to influence and power, and so the stupid person will come up against a more intelligent person who wants to take it away, so you need to accept that the more intelligent person won, unless you have a theory as to how a stupid person is able to hang on to their position, I'm going with \"they aren't as stupid as you think\".", "Hm, this talk host was probably inspired by the edgy Monty python style assuming it’s funny at all times.", "Calcium oxide and sand are effectively non-renewable. Cement also releases a ton of CO2 to produce.", "That's not how it works.", "I was clicking through the tweets to the replies of the tweet mentioned by /u/strongsauce and apparently berfore the Femi Oluwole interview mentioned in the [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qggqon/absolutely_incredible_interaction_between_talk/hi7d6ns/), Femi adds that Mike Graham said \"[I'm going to tear you apart](https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1453049731584864256)\" to him. Knowing that about his character, I'm guessing there was a sour exchange even before the interview with Cameron took place.", "So, to the point, cutting down trees isn't great. Carbon is captured in the lumber and sometime in the future that trees will decay and release carbon back to the atmosphere. It may be a century from now, but it will be released again, less if it's burned. So, it's regenerative right? Let's plant more trees. It's the sand problem though, the carbon is captured from the air, mashes a tree, and even if it isn't used for construction, it still has the same eventual decay problem. It might sound like I'm supporting the host and putting down carpentry, but I'm not. Trees are a short term fix. Stopping deforestation or even reversing the trend won't solve the problem entirely, and that is that we are digging up and burning carbon which has been entombed for eras. No amount of tree planting is going to recapture what we've been burning at an increasing rate every year for as long as we've been burning it. Manged lumber, as used by this carpenter, is much closer to being neutral, but the bigger problem isn't logging in general, Lorax not withstanding, it is the unchecked reckless abandonment of burning fossil fuels which were buried before fungus and other microbes learned how to break it down. We might be able to capture it and bury it like radioactive waste, treating it as the potential toxic hazard it is, but we've got to curb our use and move on to cleaner energy sources, not just sustaining but regenerating.", "He's probably not a Christian, the UK isn't all that religious compared to the US and we don't bring religion into politics like the US. I doubt anyone would give a shit if Boris was Christian or not, whereas in America you seemingly have to be Christian to be president.", "That's Private Eye just fyi, guy, bye.", "I once got downvoted to hell for this, it's a sad day when people don't know a good Simpsons reference when the see one", "i prefer the term ‘trumpets’. its got layers like an onion", "Just to fill you in, it's not their message people think is bad, but their methods. They have recently been protesting by sitting down on busy motorways and not letting cars pass, obviously making a lot of commuters annoyed", "Cringe", "Why does he speak like he's reading?", "That's not winning though.", "“He’s a boating enthusiast”", "Man, if your backup is Jeremy Kyle....... whooaaahhh boy.....", "Because nobody listened to them, so they started demonstrating, and people's jimmies get rustled by demonstrations.", "Made me think of [Big Talk](https://youtu.be/EUbjpwyesk0).", "No, he's referring to his group's tactic of glueing themselves to things while protesting to make it harder for them to be removed.", "truth", "Nah, our conservatives worship Thatcher instead", "Nah he just doesn't know about the Shapiro/ Destroyed thing and is getting aggro about it.", "I can really see him thinking \"Don't laugh Don't Laugh Don't laugh let him figure it out\" and manages to hold it in. It's fucking brilliant.", "I doubt he gives a shit about Jesus. Not many people in the UK are die hard christians.", "And he insults a carpenter like Jesus.", "I have family friends who owned a multigenerational dairy farm. The son was the hardest working person I ever met. He hadn’t had a single day off in 5 years. Not one. Not for sickness, nothing. He simply could not afford it. \n\nHe eventually sold the family business (in his late forties) much to the disappointment of his elderly parents. When I asked why he said in the previous year he worked 18 hour days 365 days of the year, and made MINUS £5000. He was killing himself to lose money. \n\nSelling up was the best thing he could have done.", "The show Clarkson’s Farm on Prime really demonstrates this point. It’s an incredible watch, even if you’re not a big Jeremy Clarkson fan. Really shows you sides of farming you usually don’t see.", "Using timber is actually incredibly good for carbon capture. The tree captures CO2 during its growth and then is replaced by another tree which does the same. Over time, the timber becomes a sink for CO2. As long as trees are replanted it's a very good idea. It's when the trees are burned and the carbon is released back into atmosphere that is the main problem.\n\nWorth mentioning as well that TalkRadio is a right-wing mouthpiece and owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp, so no surprises here.", "It's almost like it's written by Ricky Gervais, it's cold, awkward, relatable and hilarious.", "More like insulate brain", "No my point Is that it worked out for boris.\n\nBoris is very clever, what boris wants is power, and he gets that.\n\nHe might be a political windsock with absolutely zero principles, but the man get what he is after.", "Well, actually, Simpsons did it.", "Wow, what a colossal bell end. He is trying so hard to word game his way out of the utterly asinine idea that one can grow concrete", "I know, that's what I said. \n\nBut he didn't champion leave.\n\nInfact at the time a lot of people wanted to vote leave just to get Cameron out. (More stupidity)", "Before the long awkward pause I really thought this was a legit perfect debate and the host agreed with the guest 😂", "I love his reaction to this moronic presenter when he says 'you can't grow concrete' and the tool says 'yes you can'. a complete blank faced 'there is no responding to a statement this dense'", "Oh bless your heart", "It doesn't do that automatically? Huh.", "Semi related but I had someone on Reddit trying to argue that wind turbines are bad as fossil fuels because of the carbon released during construction.", "In a follow up video he argues that as one adds sand and cement and water together and it is mixed it “grows” in volume…. Yeah", "I would have also enjoyed a \"oh really? Please explain how.\"", "British equivalent of Faux Noise...conservatives really suck.", "So, wait, is insulating your home considered a controversial topic in the UK?", "It only 'grows' when you add water to it, because you add water to it. It shrinks when it cures.", "The ironic generalisations people make here on reddit is honestly hilarious at this point. \n\nThis place is so weird", "Concrete is just like the economy, in it's growth?\n\nDude - admit you misspoke, and move on. Lol. It's really not that hard.", "Oh no. I had forgotten about this moron and here you go reminding me that people this stupid hold positions of power.", "So annoying to watch. It's immediately obvious that he has NO intention of any kind of discourse. No ideas shared, no constructive discussion, might as well be a toddler shouting that he doesn't want to eat his sprouts.", "I do love a good pause when someone says something so incredibly stupid that they need time to think about what they just said.\n\n\nThe long pause is such a great tool in direct conversation", "I was hoping for a productive exchange, but then it wouldn’t have been upvoted this much by Reddit. I know better at this point.", "On the bright side he seemed genuinely surprised to learn that and he wasn't combative about it.", "Yup. This is also known as the Pigeonhole Principle.", "Marvelous", "Just like when I put milk and oats in a pan this morning and grew some porridge for breakfast.", "So he's trying to equate concrete physical \"expansion\" with a tree actually growing? Is he aware that trees are living and concrete is not? Because, that's where I'd start with him.", "Is this a comedy show?", "> How is it sustainable if you're killing trees\n\nAre you a fucking idiot", "No, getting the government to pour money into subsidising the insultation of homes is considered controversial to these people.\n\nNo one would say no to free money from the government to better insulate homes - and thus cut down on the carbon footprint by having to have less heating in winter.\n\nThe only controversial part of this are the activists that want to sit on the M25.", "What do you suppose they should call it?", "The barely perceptible head shake was great.", "A lot of timber we use isn't renewable though, in the sense we're not using it at a rate that's replaceable and we ship a lot of it in. That's not to say the country isn't littered with forestries doing just that though, because if you're making money selling wood, why wouldn't you grow trees continually.", "A protest group have been blocking a major motorway in London, the M25 and other roads during morning rush hour since the U.K. govt cut funding for people to get insulation. The protest group want increased funding to speed up the insulation of houses.", "All metrics. Every one. Hoo-boy.", "Same here, probably cause I saw it on reddit yesterday.", "https://youtu.be/_pDTiFkXgEE", "Never roll in the mud with a pig. You'll both get dirty and the pig likes it.", "I have never heard such a loud silence before", "Jesus. What is it with American politicians making everything 'right vs left'. It's such an unhelpful reduction.", "I had no idea. Explains the downvotes. I have immediate family that work there.", "Wow. Those two berks sound like little boys playing with their toy soldiers. And of course Jeremy bloody Kyle is attached to this - I guess he looks at Piers Morgan as a role model and wants to follow in his footsteps down the 'outspoken presenter turned clueless political spokesperson' career path.", "tucker carlson. he's hypocrisy and bad faith personified.", "He was probably expecting one of those awful, socialist brown people if we're being honest here.", "They didn't upload it because they think it will dupe people. They uploaded it because they suspected (correctly) that it would get shared a lot. They don't care if their presenters are being mocked and I doubt the presenter cares that much.", "That’s fair enough, to an outside viewer not entirely caught up on things that’s not how it comes across, but again doesn’t exactly show good faith in the interview when his opening line is patronising", "Fun fact: Jesus was also a zombie, and now people mock-cannibalize his dead flesh. Hmm 🤔", "That’s our competition. That is who we need to convince. How do you convince someone who do not believe in science, logic and doesn’t want to discuss? Tough job ahead of us people.", "Basically there are these climate change protests going on called Insulate Britain, and they’ve gotten bad press for a variety of reasons, so the carpenter was invited in a news as a spokesperson for them - he could tell they were going to try and catch him out on something stupid", "I can imagine Jeremy Clarkson saying it sincerely in a Top gear episode.", "The paradox of tolerance.", "This was the real life equivalent of Brexit.", "Whats more sad is that Mike thinks everyone is laughing with him, when everyone is literally laughing at him. Delusions of grandeur", "In that thread, they scrambled and posted an article about an experimental form of concrete that can be made from biomatter.\n\n10 to 1 this host would've dismissed it as tree hugging bullshit if he wasn't trying to cover his arse.", "Ah, so it's the British Fox news or rush Limbaugh", "I assume you're one of those as well.", "It's \"zero-sum game\". Don't use words that are too hard for you", "Tell me about it.\n\nI genuinely think the moment this country fucked itself was when Ed Milliband won the Labour nomination insisted of David.\n\nDavid would have won in 2015 and there wouldn't have been Brexit and all the attendant back slapping idiocy that's spewed out as a result of the world's most Phyrric victory.\n\nRight wingers are just babies masquerading as grown ups. The one consolation is if you ever sit down and argue with one, you usually win because they know deep down they don't have a moral foot to stand on.", "This is the best conversation about climate change https://youtu.be/l5833PsI7IA", "I would say thanks for sending us a stink bomb disguising itself as journalism.", "I love that the article they linked to just says that the material is “likened to concrete”\n\nOf course they just googled “growing concrete”, found whichever headline supported their moronic claim, and posted it without doing any reading of the article itself", "Sounds like an [Alan Partridge skit](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxSbTlH0K4w).", "I've been growing concrete jungles for years, they get knocked down and rebuilt on a regular basis. Fully sustaining it by regrowth of the concrete in my very own concrete mixer. /s", "THE BAHBLE", "These people need to die so the human race can survive.", "So, you can make concrete from [shells](https://youtu.be/Ek3aeUhHaFY), but I highly doubt the presenter knew that since he didn't even try to clarify that seemingly ridiculous statement.", "This genuinely feels like a shift in the tides of how we deal with people who lie to push their own agenda and spark hate and controversy. \n\nDon’t give them the reaction, just let them be utterly ridiculous and people might just stop to think about what was said rather than just latching onto any response and nitpicking that. \n\nThere is strength in silence sometimes, and perhaps that’s a way we tackle the narcissists who have thrived in recent years", "As if this wasn’t just to get people to pay attention to graham. I’m from the us, never heard of this guy before today, barely heard about the insulate movement and now he’s all over my page. This is why they posted it themselves. The people who would watch his show will forget he’s an idiot and he’s now got more fans. Basic pr stuff", "This is possibly true. They are definitely milking it. But it also promotes Insulate Britain so I see that as positive.", "_slow blink_", "I'm sure you don't want to talk to him or anyone like him again...if fact, that'd be best.", "I'm growing a cake right now!", "For sure, no such thing as bad press, and this movement sounds like its heart is in the right place", "I don't understand why the channel posted it on twitter with the comment \"watch more insulatebritain fails @...\" As if this proves any kind of point apart from them looking as thick as pig shit.", "People who are that bad faith and profiting from it deliberately should kinda be shot in minecraft for the good of humanity.", "Is this some podcaster or someone people actually listens to?", "Aaaaannnddd it's gone....", "This seems wildly cut up...", "Insulate Britain is the carpenter. These people sit in the middle of roads and even bicycle lanes. If you lose an argument them (like the host did), it shows you must be really fucking stupid.", "The tweet got deleted while I was watching.. the suspense!!", "Lmao I swear it feels like something Arthur would say", "The anchor really said that one could “grow concrete”?", "Yes, these are the same idiots who tried to block a cycle lane as part of their protest.", "It's getting to that point", "> to an outside viewer not entirely caught up on things that’s not how it comes across, \n\nAnyone in Britain would understand, which is also in 99.99% of cases the only people who would see this. It's only because big fella made a tit out of himself that it's spread beyond our shithole island.", "How do I miss the point? I'm saying it's very easy to win an argument against Insulate Britain based on their actions rather than trying to make some moronic point about concrete being sustainable.", "I love his resolve in not responding to the host saying you can grow concrete.", "I’m from England, I’m aware they are protesting, I am not aware they are using glue, calm down before you fall from that horse", "> They love the idea of blue-collar jobs, because that is a symbol they can exploit to use toward their own ends\n\nWhat? In the UK? No.", "ono, they're figuring it out\n\n\nRUN AWAY!", "bruh", "See you Cameron, cheerio\n\nhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cheerio", "You don't need an account to view a tweet", "This was like watching a fat parrot try to play chess", "I love this video so much. Top 5 pundit moment of the whole Trump era.", "Tweet was deleted, anyone have a backup?", "Dudes probably a genius because hes gaining attention.", "The environment hates this one simple trick to reinvent the wheel! \n\n^(instead of just investing in metro and high speed rail)", "Cheerio", "Truly though, this is the state of the mass media in the UK and the US.", "I read it in Webb's voice from that skit in my head.", "If you're going to watch don't do it on Prime. Fuck giving money to Amazon or Clarkson.", "Thanks for posting this and giving dumb people more attention.", "Chad", "Wow. That tweet got deleted AS I WAS WATCHING it. Crazy.", "This is Chuck, he grows tomatoes and eats them like the sick bastard he is. Brilliant.", "Also giving Insulate Britain more attention", "Good luck", "Did you mean to say on the nose? Feels like you meant to say hit the nail on the head", "In French it sounds much nicer as well.", "Unfortunately the station / social media whatever this gob is on is attracting a lot of attention as a result of this.\n\nYou could, depressingly, argue it is mission accomplished.", "It looks very often in only these videos!", "How not? You think concrete isn't made from materials that form on the earth? \n\n\nYou think when an environmentalist uses trees it's OK, but when someone else uses / cuts down trees it's not?", "True", "the problem is that dumbfuck will be because no one has acknowledged it that nobody picked up on it.\n\nSometimes these idiots need it said to them.\n\nFortunately, the internet has done that for him", "This has to be a fake anchor or some onion-like show. Even in the Twitter thread, they seem to defend the ability to grow concrete as some kind of gotcha.", "With what? Saving the human race?", "Difference is most people arent replanting trees when they cut them down. Concrete is used from materials sure but trees are obviously more regenerative than whatever methods go into making concrete. Plus this guy, who you claim dunked on the carpenter, claimed you could grow concrete. That's blatantly false.", "So good", "Caneron, why did you agree to go on the show? That bloviating jerkwad is just a pile of bad faith and bullshit. All he’s going to do is try to provoke you into responding angrily so he can portray the movement as violent.\n\nCameron: hold my cuppa", "He would have deflected and tried to attack him on using power tools to do his job or something. Anything to \"win\".", "> They know that even if you can prove them factually wrong or “win the argument,” the entertainment value and the fire that riling someone up stokes in their supporters far outweighs any potential negatives for them.\n\nYep. TalkRadio (Murdoch) is promoting this interview all over social media, I agree the guy did well here but it doesn't matter - they're spamming it on all channels anyway despite the brexiteer host being made a fool of.\n\nThe only way to handle right wing media like this is to just not engage.", "He didn't grow the tree", "I guess has has no wood furniture. probably makes all his own following guides on /r/DiWHY", "Then why are these damn carpenters cutting them down?! /s", "You have the experience, have you?", "This is how I always heard it.\n\nArguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon... No matter how good you are, the pigeon will shit on the board, knock over the pieces, and then strut around like its victorious.", " That was so cringe I thought it was Fox.", "Nope, that's just how he actually sounds. He's a small, angry little guy. [Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E) the complete clip from BBC.", "I'd hardly call that destroyed, more like Shapiro didn't seem like he was in the mood to do a TV interview. It's not like he even shut up long enough for the interviewer to get out anything I'd consider \"destroying\".\n\nSeems like Ben didn't realize that conservatives in Britain are a different animal than in the US, and didn't expect a hostile interview?", "naw, they just want to be openly racist and to see migrants drown. Literally Priti Patel's first two wishes for a genie.", "Weird how some people expect one solidary hero to save their people. Everyone needs to be a hero to make changes among our species. But I argue more about nothing with my wife than about climate change online. How are you doing?", "It's a niche rightwing radio station/internet broadcast station(?), and soon to be tv channel, owned by News Corp and with ties to Fox News.", "Most the die hards in the US seem to be only when it fit their narrative.", "Sure, a few, but this video is going viral all over the internet, overwhelmingly among people who get it.", "Cuz the democrats are doing so much to fix things.....", "Yeah I agree. We need group action. A group like Insulate Britain. Which I've just platformed to a huge audience. Like I'm just refuting what you said about giving \"dumb people more attention\"", "People like that talk show host are in charge of that country.", "Spot on lad.", "Guman Hrowth Gormone", "So that's just using growth with a different definition. Size is not a regenerative biomass that self replicates. It's a property of most self replicating biomasses it isn't growth its expansion.", "If words are his currency, he's one broke-ass motherfucker.", "it feels like this guy is a bit of an idiot, here he is digging himself into another hole [https://twitter.com/i/status/1453030331167150087](https://twitter.com/i/status/1453030331167150087) with some pre-brexit rubbish", "Why’s James Cryin???", "You're doing gods work.", "I never said it was important or worthy. I was just literally pointing out that you are factually wrong.", "We don't expect news anchors to be well versed in anything. They memorise the producers talking points and do their best to regurgitate. They can't be an expert in every given field they'll cover in an average show.\n\nIt's why it's completely stupid that we have them for this style of \"interview\"", "UK doesn't have religion as tightly bound to the right wing as in the US. A fair few Tories are religious but typically it doesn't interfere with the decision making process as much.", "Insulate Britain refused to let person past to see their mom who was in an ambulance going to the hospital. \n\nhttps://news.sky.com/video/how-can-you-be-so-selfish-eco-prtesters-block-woman-from-sick-mother-12425838\n\nAnd then here is them blocking an ambulance\n\nhttps://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/breaking-insulate-britain-protesters-block-25166993", "He was elected three times.", "Seriously...how the fuck does someone that fucking stupid get a TV show???", "ITT: people taking wild guesses about what the word \"Liberal\" means based on other threads they've seen on Reddit.", "We all know what he meant. It is made of things created naturally. It's blatantly true.", "Im just sitting here in my concrete garden laughing. You win today my glorious hero.", "No, they like to say they do, big difference.", "I love how that he didn’t even have to reply, he could just let this moron stew in the stupidity of what they’d just said", "Are you an idiot? I am beginning to think you are. \n\n>You think the USA doesn't have social programs?\n\nExcept you, nobody said that. Do you always tap dance and move the goal post like this? This strawman-ing makes you a dishonest interlocutor. This will be my last post. And I'll block you after this one. \n\n>Progressives are social liberals, that's absolutely the point here that seems to be going far over your head. \n\nNope... You were the one bringing progressives up. \nI was talking about fully fledged liberals. Two different circles on the venn diagram even if there's an overlap in some areas. \nAnd it's all so over your head that you don't seem to realize just how-right wing some 'liberal' policies including their economic ideas are that you seem to think are 'left'. \nJust so you don't get you panties in a twist most social liberal policies are not right-wing --- but that's not all of their policies, just a fraction of it. \n\n>I think you have a pretty rough understanding of the English language and it's intricacies.\n\nYou think? Want to have this conversation in another language? Oh, wait, you're blocked. I don't care what you think anymore.\n\n> crediting Germany's socialism to Lassalle and Bebel\n\nRight. The founders of the organizations that merged into one of the oldest, still existing socialist/social democratic parties on this planet and that is currently about to take over chancellorship from the conservatives has of course nothing to do with Socialism in Germany. My mistake... NOT.", "Well he didn't say that. He said you could \"grow cement\" which isnt true. There's obviously other costs to making cement as well, whereas with trees you just throw a seed in the ground and it grows. Then you cut it down and you have wood. The process of making, not growing, cement is much more complicated than that. It's not equivalent in the slightest.", "\"think about the environment, don't print this email\"\n\nshould be updated to \"think about the environment, print this email\"", "What does this have to do with the host being a moron?", "As if these parasites are getting airtime.", "This guy is just comedy gold [https://twitter.com/i/status/1453030331167150087](https://twitter.com/i/status/1453030331167150087) although they should probably brand his show as satire, hes a joke", "This is the best thing I've ever seen", "He's.....a carpenter. He said so himself. You may be stupid.", "The best use of silence as an argument I have ever seen.", "So annoying I nearly joined Twitter to call the interviewer a cunt. Nearly.", "He’s not dumb, he smug. The viewers that nod their heads in agreement with his smug utterance are the dumb ones.", "Love the silence after the dumbass comment about growing concrete.", "Good call. It would be like taking heroin to give out to drug dealers.", "Talkradio is owned by Murdoch's News Corp, polluters of both the airwaves and people's brains", "Any mirror that isn't twitter?", "Oh you've got your own Jerry Springer?", "This is such a classic \n\n\"Y...you don't know that?\"", "\\#1 You can swear, it's the internet.\n\n\\#2 There's not only military coups and perfectly free and fair elections where everybody tells the truth, there's a massive range between them. He is simply our first PM who doesn't care at all if everything he says is a lie or makes the country worse off, as long as he gets what he wants. Somebody over for Christmas? Sure that rule is for plebs. Holiday abroad? Sure, nothing going on anyway.", "This one video has done more for insulate Britain's cause than all of the blocking motorways combined", "But you'll let him off with K** Hkins?!", "Truth. Although he probably wouldn't have interviewed them if not for the blocking of the motorways.", "That's not the pige... Ohhhh, I see what you did there!", "Shapiro is about as far right of Andrew Neil as Neil is right of Ken Livingstone.", "He's on a small radio show in the UK funded by News Corp (surprisingly) they are quite small in listeners. This clip is probably the most they have ever been listened to.", "Same reason they live the troops but call us suckers and losers behind our backs. The GOP a shell company used to exploit the lower classes. They stole our democracy", "Their premise may be stupid, but it is sadly effective. What can be done about that?", "I heard the windows error sound but there was nothing wrong with my computer... This guy is really THAT dumb? Is he an elected official... really?", "Exactly -- the context of his 'grow' comment was that they were talking about trees. That was the comparison, trees growing vs concrete growing.", "Concrete is not renewable.", "Way to broadcast to the national what an absolute twat you are 😄", "Fuck sake ... Vile reporter. What a douche.", "That last line is fucking brilliant.", "He's not dumb, he's disingenuous.", "Oh you are so full of shit. He compared the ability to grow concrete to the ability to grow trees. He wasn't talking about things that are created naturally", "Yep.", "> I don't understand what \"spirit of the staircase\" means?\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%27esprit_de_l%27escalier", "[L'esprit de l'escalier](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L'esprit_de_l'escalier)* \n \n >L'esprit de l'escalier or l'esprit d'escalier (UK: , US: , French: [lɛspʁi d(ə l)ɛskalje]; lit. 'staircase wit') is a French term used in English for the predicament of thinking of the perfect reply too late. English speakers sometimes call this \"escalator wit\", or \"staircase wit\". Afterwit is a synonym, with forewit as its antonym.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "The article he posted literally starts with “could one day” in the top line. The first fucking sentence disproves his claim that people are growing concrete.", "Good god, I hate the state of my country.", "I think a stronger head would’ve tried to bait him more but the host didn’t have the firepower. \n\nAlso no idea who he is, anybody of note in the UK? Getting vague Rush vibes.", "I can understand the first one, but why the second one?", "Always love him when he is on QI and Would I lie to you.", "Educators in other countries are intelligent by my reckoning.", "To be fair he shared something about using bacteria to grow \"concrete\" on his twitter. But even then it's a highly experimental lab technique and produces something akin to mortar and not concrete...\n\nNow compare it to timber ... how long has humanity planted trees and used them to build things? Exactly!", "And even that is wrong. It contracts when it hardens, it doesn't expand lmfao", "“Never interrupt your opponent while he’s making a mistake.”", "I'm glad someone said this as I wasnt sure how this comparison made total sense for everyone else lol.\n\nIt doesn't seem to me Cameron avoided a \"why did I have a bowl moment\" exactly, even though I love that concept lol.", "He's a well documented piece of shit. Hell he spent years saying the same climate change denying bullshit as the guy in this video.", "Saw a thing on Twitter once where someone theorized that good-faith arguing, bad-faith arguing, and trolling have a sort of rock-paper-scissors relationship. Bad-faith defeats good-faith, trolling defeats bad-faith, good-faith defeats trolling. \n\nIn practice, however, it's often tough to know for sure what you're dealing with when you go in.", "No need for the R word. And someone hasn't listened to 600 episodes of a podcast about Alex Jones", "The southern red states, like Louisiana, Alabama, South Caroline, etc are all heavily religious, have heavily secluded areas and have the lowest education in the fifty states (or close to it). Those states have a lack of option for resources like good internet since they're secluded and often rely on other's words of mouth for information about their elected official. So it isn't surprising that he's an elected official.", "Looking for material maybe. But is that what Jimmy looked like in 2006? \n\nHA HA ^(HAAA)", "What's funnier is the Twitter links studies to a concrete that grows using bacteria. Which is not what that dimwit host was talking about at all 😭", "Woah\nWant to add this \n\nhttps://youtu.be/tDBJPvI92as", "I think he was genuinely just too slow and stunned to be combative.", "That's amazing. Jeremy Kyle definitely knows this guy is an idiot and is just trolling him as well.", "Get the Pulitzer Prize.", "Watching him really just blows my mind. How can someone watch Tapper and Crockett together like that and go \"yeah Crockett, he's a smart guy. That Jake tapper is dumb\"", "So this idiot’s company posted this like he had a brilliant line and out smarted his guest? Man there are multiple levels of stupid associated with this.", "I mean, you can. CaCO3 is the critical component of limestone and seashells, and is turned into cement by cooking it. Sand is a biggie tho. You cannot really use sharp sand, you need water eroded sand, so you can only really grow it in geological time, and there's a worldwide crisis brewing for water eroded sand. Of course these climate change deniers know shit about anything real, so while they were technically right, even if they knew it, they were missing the forest for the trees.", "Yea one doesnt exist without the other.", "Lmao wooowwww", "I mean, you can \"grow\" concrete. CaCO3 is the critical component of limestone and seashells, and is turned into cement by cooking it. Sand has become a biggie lately tho. You cannot really use any sand, you need sharp sand, so you can't use desert sand. There's a worldwide crisis brewing for rarity of sharp sand. Of course these climate change deniers know shit about anything real, so while they were technically right, even if they had known that, they would've been missing the forest for the trees.", "“Well, you can’t grow concrete.”\n\n“Yeah, you can.”\n\nIt is important for interviewees to hold their questioners accountability, when the contrarian in question lobs you a fat hanging slider over the middle. \n\nI would have immediately requested an Amazon listing of these alleged concrete trees.", "Didn't he eventually change his mind on that, though? Like, more than half the fucking planet has said or thought climate change was fake or not a big deal a bit over a decade ago.", "but a lot growing trees is still environmentally more friendly than concrete or tarmac space", "Not necessarily", "I cut down trees, I eat my lunch, I go to the lavatory! \nOn Wednesdays I go shopping, and have buttered scones for tea!", "The chosen leader of his people.", "I put some money in the hand of a McDonalds worker yesterday and he grew me a Happy Meal.", "Fair enough, they got a Hungarian for that one.", "There are actual systems like that in place, where for instance an acre of trees are planted to be cut and afterwards they are planted again. Much better than the current system where the land is left bare after cutting. BTW if your interested in how current politics is impacting climate action you can watch here this video here: \nhttps://youtu.be/K9qYhv6JoQY", "He was expecting an eternal student, that's why he asked what he worked as\n\nCarpenter threw him because not only did the guy have a job, but one that anyone would recognise as working class", "Yeah and thanks that that dumbass half of the planet now it's basically too late to do anything other than hope that our apocalyptic future isn't as bad as it could be.", "Because that's how their whole system is set up. It's literally Left vs Right, or a bastardization of those concepts at least.", "I feel like the only response to that is\n\n\"How is this a parallel to growing trees and sustainability?\"", "Anyone like me who just read a few comments but didn’t initially watch the video … watch. It truly is hilarious (and short)!", "> same rancid, unimaginative and limited worldview\n\nWell, many voted for Brexit in the first place so that hypothesis can't be that far off.", "The sad thing is the talk show host ends the interview thinking he \"won\"", "Legitametly one of the stupidest conversations I’ve ever listened to", "And I put the original clip before my eyes and grew an opinion.", "Check out this article from 2 years ago when he rips into [Greta Thunberg](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10022396/greta-thunberg-meltdown-wont-help-world/) for being a \"spoilt brat\". The man is an arsehole.", "I’ve always heard it as:\n\nNever shit on a pigeon. They will strut all over your inexperience and then beat you with your own chess board.", "> They doubled down as well.\n\nIt's a feature the far right picked up from Trump. And it's one of the most dangerous aspects of Trump-ism and the new rise of alt-right. \n\nFacts are not even an inconvenience anymore. Whether it be global climate change, the pandemic, income inequality, or Q-nonsense, these people are being trained to double down on everything, every time. \n\n\n\n\n--------------------------------\n\n\"You've got to deny, deny, deny and push back on these women,\" Trump said, according to Woodward. \"If you admit to anything and any culpability, then you're dead. That was a big mistake you made.\"\n\nTrump said the key was showing no hesitancy in denying accusations and instead, be on the attack and push back. \n\n\"You didn't come out guns blazing and just challenge them. You showed weakness,\" Trump told the friend, according to Woodward. \"You've got to be strong. You've got to be aggressive. You've got to push back hard. You've got to deny anything that's said about you. Never admit.\" \n\n-----------------------------------------", "Sure, and I won't try to change anyone's mind about despising that half of the planet, but I won't have any part of it myself. I can't be that mad at that many people over being misled or slow on the uptake.\n\nI'll save my anger for those people who are intentionally trying to mislead people regarding these issues.", "It is when university educated people do it. If a working class person does it they are good old salt of the earth hardworking people. A middle class carpenter is always an out of touch pretentious hypocrite.\n\nClassism is a big problem in the UK.", "Is there a reason he wears his glasses askew...? There is probably some legitimate reason but it's weird looking.", "That or someone who just discovered wood working and is pretty excited about it.", "the funny bit is the British Navy is the largest forestry management company there is.", "What is the issue with \"sharp\" sand being used in concrete?", "If he had said oink, oink... he would've seemed less piggish.\n\nNot to demean pigs.", "I put money in someone's hands yesterday and all I got was an obsessive need to use hand sanitizer", "TalkSport grew out of TalkRadio in the 90s then consumed it. The current TalkRadio was spun off after Murdoch bought TalkSport and now both exist as separate entities under the NewsCorp umbrella.", "The adage of any exposure is good exposure is rather dead wrong: just ask Harvey Weinstein or Kevin Spacey or Bill Cosby or Louis CK or OJ Simpson or R Kelly or..", "What did I say? Read and respond to that not whatever you want.", "The whole interaction could've been a Monty Python sketch!", "Its this stupid bad-faith argument that every climate denier tries to make: that climate activists are hypocrites because they do ANYTHING that might contribute in some way towards climate change. This guy tried to paint him as a hypocrite by misrepresenting the sustainability of trees while at the same time trying to paint a false equivalence between concrete and trees.", "states small fact\n\nunambiguous counterargument\n\nstates another example of earlier fact that doesn't falsify counterargument\n\nreiterates counterargument\n\nstates yet another example of earlier fact\n\nraises doubt as to domain of knowledge/understanding\n\nbrain locks up under load of cognitive dissonance", "amazing what happens when you seize the means of production from the rich huh?", "The \"Merry Christmas\" at the end was a flaccid attempt at a clapback, because everyone knows heathen liberals hate Christmas.", "First they came for the immigrants and I did not speak up, for I was not an immigrant.\n\nThen they came for the carpenters -wait what.", "Kyle is the one person I'm willing to take an assault charge on if I ever see him in person.", "I feel like Benny Hill should burst out and run around the talk show hosts set to that hectic music that he always did.", "lol ya, it gave him no way to distract, gishgalop an alternate explanation for his statement, strawman Cameran or change the subject.", "That rabbit is a dynamite!", "The wildest thing is they're doubling, tripling down. Happy to be idiots for social media engagement.", "I was half expecting him to say “How? Do you plant the concrete seeds?”", "I think he half-heartedly tried to salvage the blue screen of death he entered into second earlier, to try and reframe it as him being at a loss of words.", "I am so confused by this video. What is the talk show host gaining by arguing about “growing concrete?” \n\nEven his sign off in his initial video makes no sense—“this guy wants to grow a tree and then cut it down for lumber.” No shit, Sherlock, you’ve literally just described how lumber is sustainable for building, as compared with concrete which is not.\n\nIs this guy the UK’s Tucker Carlson or something? Is it just too early and I’m not handling crazy well yet? LOL", "And does it matter in the slightest?", "I wouldn't call that winning an argument for either side...", "Never wrestle a pig.\nYou'll get covered in shit and the pig likes it.", "Saying you can grow concrete seems to lean more toward dumb than smug though", "How do the ugliest and stupidest people end up with talk shows?", "They don't think Tapper or liberals are dumb. They think they're smug. Which, in a way, is admitting that they are smarter.", "This anchor reminds me so much of the BTN Anchor in the V for Vendetta movie. That is worrying.", "He is the definition of a twat", "Xp00 to\nM", "I mean, [he claims it](https://youtu.be/ufOgTllmr1E)", "Oh right, that’s still a foreign concept for this American.", "It would have been hilarious if he just closed his laptop after that", "Can you milk a cat Cameron \n\nThat was Cameron", "He's using a different definition of the word grow than Cameron was using. He's being very immature about it too.", "Ah this is the UK, most of our Christians are quite mild and selfless, Christ-like even. Instead our right wing arseholes worship faded memories of empire and Jeremy Clarkson.", "I liked how he was asking a carpentering climate activist to explain where concrete comes from. \n\nYou can't grow concrete? \n\nHow the fuck should he know, he came on here to talk about sustainable carpentry and climate change.\n\nNow that you didn't own him about chopping down trees, do you want to pretend to be interested in interviewing or just move onto another caller?\n\nHe can't say anything more about growing concrete.", "Is he the UK's Jerry Springer?", "This dude really claims \"words are my currency so I'm very deliberate about which words I choose\" in his double-down follow-up and then chooses to ignore the colloquial understanding of the term \"grow\" just so that he can fill airtime. He honestly tried to equate the act of mixing more concrete to \"growing\" it, and then feel intelligent for doing so. \n\nThe fact that we're sitting here discussing this idiot is too much credit to his argument. Cameron the Carpenter had the right idea; this dude needs to be ignored as loudly as possible from now on.", "As soon as I saw the screen I knew what I was in for and I can't bring myself to watch that again. The secondhand embarrassment is just too much.", "That's fine, but doesn't make it okay.\n\nAlex is a white nationalist who hates black and brown people, the globalists (Jews), and believes in the literal Christian devil.", "Ok Stalin", "He’s the biggest jabroni I’ve ever seen", ">An intelligent person wouldn't idiotically fumble an interview like this, and then double down, again idiotically.\n\nAn intelligent person who knows that this can be used as proof that \"the left\" is against him will happily play this way for all he is worth. \n\nIn South Africa we have a politician and ex president who literally cannot read numbers, and he screws numbers up so badly it's difficult to watch and listen to. And yet when his ability to lead the country is questioned because of his lack of numeracy skills his followers jump to his defence and say that he is \"just a man like them\", and his detractors are bullying him, and as such they need to stand up for him.\n\nThis guy (I don't care to know his name or in any way share it) does this so that he can get his followers to see that he is \"just like them\" and not \"one of the intellectual elite\". HE \"screws up\" and them seems to screw up more defending himself because THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT HIS FOLLOWERS DO. Except he manages to gain publicity while doing it. You think he's stupid, but you know who he is, he is no longer a stranger to you. That's quite a thing to have accomplished.", "Yeah, but concrete doesn’t expand either. You get out as much as you put in. And it shrinks just a bit as it cures.", "This must be how a proud parent feels. Good job.", "My nipples are exploding with pleasure", "Should have ended with \"Jesus Christ was a carpenter\" to make the host's head explode.", "wildly gestures to the Isle of Portland and a pile of rocks", "What is truly hilarious is this is uploaded by the radio show as some sort of 'win' for them, not realising it makes their presenter look like a fucking dipshit.", "Fox News is taken 100% seriously in America by the millions who watch it.", "well… to be fair, he is British.", "Concrete shrinks as it cures. It's one of the reasons that concrete cracks. And why sidewalks have lines gouged in them.", "A lot of the smoothbrains defending him on Twitter took the Trump supporter approach of \"yeah obviously you can't literally grow concrete but you know what he means\"\n\nThey all seem to assume that he meant something reasonable without him actually having said it or given any explanation as to what it might be.\n\nIt's too fucking pathetic for words to be honest.", "Not really. The whole “interaction” is seconds long.", "Cut down the biggest tree in the forest with... A herring!", "Classic case of disagreeing with someones view on a subject but dying on every hill just because you don't want to give any ground , making you look like a fucken moron.", "I'm saying you missed the point of Insulate Britain and probably civil disobedience in general.", "Imagine all that plywood or other wooden materials that we use all together. How much trees are cut everyday? Are we sure that we cut less than we plant?", "My first thought when he retorted, “Yes you can!” To Cameron saying that you can’t grow concrete was the scene with the Black Knight. “Your arm’s off!”; “No it’s not!”", "Just ask him what his house is made of.", "Wait how exactly is concrete damaging to the environment?", "With that kind of attitude, I think I'll just let this be the unpleasant exchange it is, and move on.", "Except it shrinks while curing. So, also wrong.", "I was only explaining the joke to Caspian I'm not the one who commented it.", "For extra fun/losing faith in humanity look at the lunatics supporting him in his Twitter feed", "Cameron deserves condecoration for his brilliant use of a deadpan face in the most appropriate situation.", "You just got to use their own logic against them. Proving them wrong using their own logic usually removes all the power they have and makes them look like the angry ignorant assholes they really are.", "I was hoping for a video where he got destroyed. That was far from it, unless you're searching for confirmation bias.", "Concrete production and curing produces 8% of all CO2 production worldwide. The sand used as aggregate is dredge from costal ocean floors which are also important fishery habitat (and is close to being exhausted, wars will be fought in the near future over concrete suitable sand as the resource dwindles).", "What's incredible is the stupidity and absurdity of that interaction. WTF was the point even?\n\nFirst off, we build with some materials b/c guess what, people need to live somewhere, do business somewhere, store their shit somewhere. \n\nIn N. America most of the virgin forests were gone by the early 1900's b/c of clear cutting for wood and to make stuff farm land etc. \n\nWood is harvested and replanted all the time. We also use a ton more of the wood that decades ago - e.g. making OSB, glue lam and other engineered lumber. In other words less waste.", "It releases more carbon. You have to heat it to create it which burns fuel. Trees absorb carbon and like Cameron said they're regenerative. In fact planting trees is part of the supply chain of lumber.", "Lumber is generally made from farmed trees. The timber is cut down and replanted in a 10-15 year cycle. It’s actually a very sustainable product and contrary to popular belief, the clear cut method of harvesting is the most environmentally friendly version of it (healthier and more diverse re-growth happens in clear cut areas and most closely resembles the natural fire cycle of a forest) but people don’t like it because it’s ugly.", "Isn't cement made from the shells of tiny crustaceans? Technically they grow.", "Like people have be doing for thousands of years!", "That's actually a pretty nice link, so thank you. I will say that while it's not a good look for him, I do see where he's coming from.\n\nDoesn't mean I agree, but I can understand being annoyed at some kid shoving all the troubles of the world onto your generation.\n\nBut it's ironic that he is calling her out for acting like a kid, when writing a glorified blog rant is not much less childish.\n\nUltimately, I see both points. But that's probably because I've mostly ignored Greta, so I don't know the extent of the things she's said and done.", "The fuck does he mean you can grow concrete??? What the fuck is going on there??", "The UK, per capita, is less than 2% black (compared to about a sixth of America), so they have to figure out their own brand of racial tension over there.", "I'm a vegan who cycles everywhere and doesn't own a car, so not really.", "Clear cutting is actually the most environmentally friendly for of harvesting, the regrow that is healthier and more diverse and it most closely resembles the natural fire cycle of a forest.", "CHERIO OLD CHAP", "On the mark maybe", "\"durrrr I know that Trump did it\"... These people are elected officials, Jesus fuck", "Host was being a massive prick", "To say nothing of the fact that the process of replacing consumed wood materials literally pulls greenhouse gasses from the atmosphere with an efficiency we have yet to match through industrial means.\n\nWood is, throughout its entire production cycle, a more environmentally friendly building resource than concrete. There's just no argument to be made...and yet these morons are trying anyways just to get views - because views are more important than saving the human race from extinction due to climate change.", "Perhaps, eventually, we can skip that step and just make buildings directly out of carbon fibre.\n\nWould still be nice to have some quality wood furniture though.", "> Is this how they got Brexit?\n\nNever forget two, little-discussed facts about Brexit:\n\n1. The majority voted in favor of it, thus telling the entire planet: \"Fuck you, we know what we're doing!\"\n\n2. The very next day they wanted to hold a second vote thus proving they didn't take the whole thing seriously in the first fucking place.", "The interviewee demonstrated the raw power of weaponized silence. Sometimes letting someone marinate in the sheer idiocy of what they just said is all you need to do.", "No you didn't", "👁️👄👁️", "Although in typical politician fashion, was unwilling to admit fault or acknowledge that he was unaware. It's okay to not know everything, his opinion was bad and based on falsehood - it might have been nice to hear him deal with that verbally (fat chance).", "Nice", "Heeeee's a lumberjack and he's ok, he sleeps all night and he works all day!", "I miss Norm", "What really cracks me up is how the guy throws out a \"Merry Christmas!\" at the end. Because, you know, ALL liberals hate Christmas. It's literally become their code for, \"fuck you\" because they think it's going to trigger someone. THE WAR ON CHRISTMAS!!!", "I'm not sure about \"usually made\", as I understand, Portland cement that binds sand in concrete is made mainly of limestone and clay that are heated to extreme temperatures higher than steel melting (which would generate a lot of greenhouse gases I imagine!).\n\nCement can be mixed with byproducts of other industries like coal burning or metallurgic slag, but I gather it's rather additives to reduce cost and prevent waste. Basic cement is limestone, clay, and gypsum, processed using tons of energy.", "I grow the finest free range, grass fed concrete in the world. Let me know if you want some.", "Great!", "Its beyond a joke the host is posting a bunch of stuff on his Twitter that \"growing\" concrete is possible. Poor twat can't accept he got made to look like a tool on his own show.", "Mostly the concrete itself requires burning a lot of something, since to make cement you need to heat the ingredients to 1500°C.", "\"There are a lot of people who have no idea of what they're doing, and they're very good at it.\" (George Carlin)", "They're patting themselves on the back because their job isn't to be correct or to educate and provide information; their job is to garner attention for their media organization, and they've completed that objective wonderfully.\n\nThe problem is that they're continuing to promote the absolutely idiotic premise of their attention grab rather than admitting they made an inflammatory statement aimed at driving debate. You can only play a fool for so long before people start to think you really are one...and it seems they've forgotten how to drop the facade altogether. When the joke stops being a joke, it's just sad.", ">he goes to the lavatoryyyy\n\nI've always heard it as the portmanteau \"lava-Treeee\" as most of the time it would be a tree. After all, He is a Lumberjack.", "Oooh, thanks for the context! Yeah, these are brilliant opening salvoes from both sides.", "The other commenter clarified that the interview is set up that way (the guest is from an organisation that the host is fiercely critical of, the Insulate Britain protest), but the very first words by the host are also an attack (\"what are you glued to currently\", hinting at protesters gluing themselves to the pavement in the middle of the road). The guest answers \"to your screen\". So it's a pair of opening salvoes, not an inexplicable dislike.", ">We have a big, big problem with anti-intellectualism in the UK.\n\nWe have a big, big problem with anti-intellectualism all over the world. Conservative media from the US to the Philippines has discovered there's billions of dollars and political power to be gained from exploiting disinformation and provoking outrage, and now that they're addicted to that revenue stream, the beast they've created won't stop feasting. It needs to be put down, and the longer it's allowed to go on, the more force it will take to stop.", "Definitely a silly moment, but not exactly the same brand", "Mine", "I think at the end he means Insulate Britain activists, not carpenters.", "These guys deserve more credit. Love their stuff", "Yes but arguably worse", "Oh no, poor baby can't talk about how concrete is renewable because you can grow concrete too :(", "The host is a contrarian conservative, critical of the environmentalist protest initiative called Insulate Britain (demanding that government heat-insulates all social housing to save energy). The host called a climate change activist to feature on his program, to roast him (the starting question was \"what are you glued to, currently?\", because protesters have been blocking highways, including by gluing themselves to pavement).", "Is this guy like a British Tucker Carlson then?", "Napoléon", "Jesus: \"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.\"\n\nAlso Jesus: Casts stones like a fucking professional", "That's not even in the top 3 stupidest things he said in that video, and that's accounting for him being purposefully disingenuous for most of it.", "I mean he was also a Arab Jewish communist and they hate all those things too.", "I was unaware that it was part of the supply chain to replant trees. Do they have any videos or documentaries about how that works? You'd think that would get more press.", "I see the problem! Busses but without the poors involved.", "Doesn't really work for Western Europe", "It was well known that Jesus was a terrible person. A carpenter. Just awful.", "Credit to Dara, still managed to make the interaction funny.", "Where does he say he hates black and brown people? I need examples", "Isn't this just a more convoluted way of describing gaslighting? It's weird that so many people in the comments have never heard of a concept that already exists and is extremely commonplace.", "I wear high heels, I skip and jump, I like to press wildflowers..", "You have it backwards, you need “sharp” sand not rounded wind eroded “round” sand. That’s why the sand in deserts is not usable while deposits in coastal waters are.", "Anyone have a non-Twitter link to this? Seems insane that work still blocks Twitter, considering that half of all anyone links to is through a dang Twitter link anymore.", "That’s what idiots do, though. So no surprise there.", "I love when people hear you are right of center and immediately assume that means far right.", "What in god’s green fuck did I just watch? 😂", "I mean, it sounds like he's just grasping for semantic straws because he can't even find a logical straw to grasp at.", "As an American it's at least comforting knowing we're not alone with ridiculously ignorant TV hacks.", "I put on womens clothing, and hang around in bars", "Nailed it.", "Yeah but you don't understand, it's good when things I don't like are not allowed.", "Hey was so enthralled with responding against him, he already had an answer ready. \n\nThis guy had no interest in debating, and only wanted to attack someone who cares about the environments.", "I don’t get how ignorance has become an superlative. It used to be shameful. It’s a commodity for these people now.", "Who decides what is malicious garbage and what is the truth?", "If I said you had a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?", "[You'll enjoy this](https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1240982673033592832?t=dbUGgzSOgzaTfQD-3w001Q&s=19)", "The confused pathetic \"Merry Christmas\" at the end slays me (sleigh lol didn't intend that). He's like, just one more buzzword trigger WE'RE STILL SAYING MERRY CHRISTMAS SEE", "No, the unneeded use of wood (like making printouts you don't need) is not helping. What they mean is that wood that we actively use and maintain for a long time (like a sturdy, rugged wooden house) serves as a temporary trap for carbon. The fact that it's intact. Your printout will be tossed soon, will decompose and release the carbon.\n\nDecades or a century later, the house will release that carbon anyway. But of course, the argument for or against wooden construction isn't even relevant to the climate change issue, because it has a minute effect either way (the host just latched on to this hoping for a \"gotcha\", since \"climate activist\" equals \"tree hugger\" in his world). \n\nBut the big offenders are of course things like various industrial proccesses that use a lot of energy, various vehicles (not just cars), or cattle farming.", "The best part of this is how defensive TalkRadio got in the comments, linking 'proof' that concrete can be grown", "Oh my god, they're doubling down in the comments on that tweet too lol", "[These days it's full of alcohol](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLF7yife8YE)", "And it was handled so brilliantly. He knew it was a dig and an attempt to get him to be mad at someone saying ‘Merry Christmas’ so he did the perfect thing. He treated it as a sincere gesture and just said ‘thank you’. And made him look even more like an idiot because everyone knew why he was saying it.", "Did you put one of the key ingredients in it? Like cake?", "Holy fuck I can't believe this was worse haha.", "Very good. The dead air was waiting to be filled with this idiot’s example of how to grow concrete. Seems to be a good tactic, since his idiocy only makes himself look bad.", "Start believing.", "Grow human girth", "It's such a great strat! I use it on the internet all the time. Make your post and close the page.", " —👄—", "A known moron. Here is another gem from him. https://twitter.com/Femi_Sorry/status/1453030331167150087?t=JsDsRof8UCfpQzCALsxzxA&s=19", "My father had a concrete farm. Paid for all of us to go through university.", "I want Texas to cecede just to watch the cartels rip them a new asshole.", "Ok if you're incapable of responding to me rather than something else because you want to defend an abusive asshole you can always go away. That was always allowed.\n\nJust because he may have changed his mind doesn't mean i need to enable him like you want to.\n\nI'll let you be a condesending hypocrite.\n\nLookmovie dot io.... if you want to watch this pricks shit show without paying him or amazon", "Dinosaurs, they're thin at one end, thick in the middle, and thin at the other end.", "Just deranged and pitifully sad, that is a sure winner for cringe of the week.", "Public leader right there representing millions of his state....won a democratic election....sigh.", "merry christmas", "It's part of the Murdoch media family, so you know what tripe you can expect", "Holy shit that's hilarious!\n\n>It expands, it grows\n\nI got whiplash from those goalposts moving so fast", "I can’t unhear that now", "Well I can't top that, just gonna let it echo..", "This idiot said, “Yeah you can grow concrete” and then tantrums when that didn’t bait the other guy into a circular screaming match.", "Rent fREEEEEE", "Reality?", "Damn right. Ill correct it.", "Holy shit, mouth agape is probably the easiest way to look stupid beyond comparison.", ">Yeah but you don't understand, it's good when ~~things I don't like are~~ dangerous nonsense is not allowed.\n\nIs more accurate.", "Cement, gravel and sand, no?", "Thats a nice way to say a pedo with a gambling problem who steals from family", "Remember, that some voted for that fuck too. Whenever you see a shit filled snowball rolling down a hill, it starts with a shit covered hill.", "Nailed it", "I got it backwards, it is sharp sand that you need, not wind rounded sand like that in deserts. The reason you need sharp sand is that it \"locks together\" better due to the jagged ends compared to wind eroded and rounder sand. It's basically building something out of rocks vs building it out of balls.", "The tucker carlson of the UK?", "I don't see a joke, just you not knowing how concrete works lol", "Eww", "Interviewer: What's so special about trees?\n\nCarpenter: We can grow them (we can make more of them)\n\nInterviewer: We can grow concrete (we can make more of it)\n\nCarpenter: No you cant.\n\nInterviewer: Yes we can.\n\n\nYes I know concrete is absolutely horrible for the environment and we're running out of sand. Yes it's a stupid interaction, yes the host is absolutely using the wrong terminology, but that's basically what it boils down to.", "You don't have a concrete garden?", "Never wrestle with a pigeon. They'll drag down a pig, then shit all over it with experience.\n\nedit: and the pig likes it.", "The comments in that thread are hilarious. \nBasically, “You’re alive Camron, that is by it’s nature anti environmentalist. You hypocrite!” Oh and, “He must be high. So his takes are invalid.”.", "Lumber companies learned a long time ago that they could cause drastic wood shortages and destroy their own industry if they didn't plan for future growth.", "That... was fantastic.", "What you consider calculated acts are really just manifestations of behavioral patterns he has learned to string together to get the net effect he’s looking for which is outrage and followers. He’s not intelligent so much as cunning and cunning is a very scoped intelligence that while impressive, is in no way comparable to actual intelligence. That’s my take on most of these characters anyway.", "That sounds like checkmate to me.", "The thing is HE KNOWS that's not the type of growing they were talking about. The conversation was about SUSTAINABILITY, not the word 'growth' in a physical or metaphorical meaning. HE KNOWS THIS and he lies.\n\nIm absolutely baffled on how much people can lie to themselves", "Jokes on him. I'm also an idiot!", "Yeah TIL I have no clue how concrete is made lol.", "Only in America. British rightwing nutjobs aren't really religious for the most part, because no one here is religious for the most part.", "Concrete is one of the few materials that is 100% recyclable. How is that not sustainable?", "It creates more carbon to produce it than timber. Wood is more carbon friendly. But also the host didn't say that. He said you can grow concrete. Which you know... you can't.", "Burns fuel and also decomposes minerals in ingredients which releases additional CO2. However, curing concrete actually reabsorbs a significant amount of CO2, so carbon footprint is not as bad as it would seem if only accounting for the manufacturing of it.", "Fuck. My mistake, you're right.", "Sure do, but we call them \"Betonwald\".", "Yeah... the host definitely ate his foot on that one.", "Reminds me of the fauci facepalm.", "Another tucker Carlson spreading misinformation and hate by bullying guests. Woohoo", "If that ignorant sack of shit was cast in a movie and said something that profoundly stupid, I would say that it's far too broad - that the bad guys aren't scary if they aren't somehow believable.", "That needs a NSFW warning. I wasn't expecting 2 guys verbally blowing each other. He just doubles down with his yes man partner.", "But the viewers will still think he just got owned and is a bad person. Cuz they literally can’t even think anymore.", "According to the news. I don't know about in real life.", "And despite being absolutely inane, this demonstrated dumbass will drive more opposition to climate change activism/legislation/research.", "Awfully progressive of you. I get the impulse, I’m a socialist living in Texas, but Texas has a significant blue population, netting nearly 5.3 million votes for Biden/Harris compared to the almost 5.9 million for Trump/Pence. We’re gerrymandered to hell and have a lot of ignorant, hateful people but you’d essentially abandon 6.25% of the people who voted for Joe Biden if you did that (granted, it’d be a bigger population of people who voted for Trump but still). \n\nAnd that’s ignoring that the Republicans have the state by the balls and many of those that voted R are just misled and lied to working class folk.", "Again here you are defening a spoiled brat that hit someone because he didn't get what he wanted. At what almost 70 years old?\n\nUltimately, you're just an guy who defends abusers. You don't care what they do.", "\"Words are my currency!\" - poor man", "wait... how do you grow concrete? The guy has his own tv-show he must know what up.", "Thanks for sharing, IdiotPissBoy!", "Oh no, I didn’t call him a moron, I called them cunts.", "Is this real? If so then this is a scientific discovery of magnificient proportion. Black holes aren't the densest objects in the universe 😂", "What an incredibly insane thought process. Like, the literal thought here is that by swearing on the Bible as a Christian you're making sure that if you break that vow then.............. what you'll go to hell?\n\nSo, then the real issue that is not being said then is \"This person is going to hell anyway, so they're not being bound to this vow and thus can't be trusted.", "and...", "Lord have mercy and this is why our world is doomed", "Sounds like a good time tbh", "You keep using that word but i do not think you know what it means.", "No hes very, very aware of the fact hes talking nonsense, thats the point, talk shit, get views, get paid, then every now and again slip in some far right bs you actually believe to promote it and normalize it.", "This is what you said to me earlier:\n>What did I say? Read and respond to that not whatever you want.\n\nMaybe you should follow your own advice. I literally called Clarkson a child, but that's not enough for you. No, apparently I now need to be on the warpath and hunt for his fucking head.\n\nMy god, how badly you ignored everything I said to further your own little narrative about me is astounding.", "Lolol. Fuck man we're doomed. Rather than respect your opposition its best to just mock them. Because that doesnt cause fights.\n\nGoddamn we're so fucked. Everyone is hateful.", "\"Just your screen unfortunately\" LMFAOOO", "I feel like the guy on the left is playing a character", "The fact it's a grey haired old man makes it so much funnier and more infuriating.", "How is not it? I could say that, its not growing wood furniture...", "The front fell off.", "You would think that, but it's not strictly true.\n\nAn absolute majority, probably over 99% is. But what little old growth forest we still have is still slowly being chipped away for no good reason.", "> I can understand being annoyed at some kid shoving all the troubles of the world onto your generation.\n\nIt's perfectly reasonable to \"shove\" troubles that come from existing power structures onto the generation that controls those power structures.\n\nIt's certainly not Greta's generation, and my generation is barely allowed into them.", "Yeah, it basically comes down to goodies vs baddies. It's very childish.", "\"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake.\" -Napoleon. \n\nThis dude had the right idea to just not say anything. We need more of this anytime a moron speaks, just don't say anything or give them a chance.", "Got that one bookmarked, downloaded, and backed up in the cloud. Never want to not have access to that video. It's one of my all-time favorites.", "\"would hiring circ de sole help with end of the year tax stuff?\" \n\n\"...\" \n\n\"Maybe he got disconnected.\" \n\n::Sighing:: \"No. I'm still here.\"", "You grow trees. You plant them and they grow and that's it, you have wood. Concrete doesn't just sprout up out of the ground, therefore it's not being grown. You have to take multiple materials, put them together and that makes concrete. That's not what growing means. If that's what this tosser meant then that's what he should have said.", "He definitely dunked on himself. You can tell from the very first second he had absolutely no interest in having a debate about climate change and is only interested in trying to embarrass Insulate Britain by being in a prick. In doing so, he was so desperate to make this leftie look bad, he just came up with any old shit without really thinking about what he was saying.", "I agree, and I didn't say it wasn't reasonable.", "There's been such a myth? Really?", "Hmmm. You must first kill the trees to make the trees!", "Some are smart, like Bill O’Reilly and Glen Beck, and some are utter morons, like Steven Crowder. You have to take them one at a time to evaluate which camp they fall into, but unfortunately people like to narrow the complex down to the simple, and so many will say they’re all smarter than they let on. \n\nI’m with you man.", "WHAT are they NOT teaching these people in the SCHOOL SYSTEMS and THAT is why Democracy will slit it's own throat before hanging itself...\n\nand This is an example of the SUCCESS of those behind all the narratives and psychological warfare...\n\nand I can SEE exactly WHY someone would delete this but it's not the only EXAMPLE and THAT is SCARY...\n\nN. Shadows", "Exactly... You plant trees and they grow... You dont grow lumber. Lumber requires processing, and then extra materials to hold it together. Put them together and that makes a wood thing - No different than growing the materials for concrete.\n\nIm sure the guy in the clip is pretty stupd, but he accidentally said something correct.", "Your probably right, but he at very least made the host uncomfortable.", "FYI the guy eveyone in this sub is cheering is the one who blocks roads and eveyone on this site calls him a terrorist and many say should be killed", "Why is anyone working in that godforsaken industry then?", "Man, just question what you read every once in a while. Why do you think they blocked a cycle lane? To block bicycles, or to block cars/motorbikes from using the lane? \n\nIt’s very easy to see a photo of protesters sitting in a cycle lane and scoff, but reading up on what happened is very important.", "When you bitch slap someone so hard with facts their only response is “Merry Christmas Jake”", "Hahaha, I forgot about this. Thanks for reminding me this exists!", "Is this the British version of InfoWars?", "I can't believe how much ignorance is in this post!\n\nI am a professional concrete harvester, my family has been growing concrete for generations!", "Piers Morgan is a LOT worse than Katy Hopkins. She's just really impolite, Morgan is actually evil.", "That’s the scary part. He is (or was) an elected official and doesn’t know the actual law. And not like a normal run of the mill law. Like one of the original amendments to the constitution.", "\"You can't grow concrete\"\n\nNobody: \n\n&#x200B;\n\nThis guy: \"YEAH YOU CAN!\"", "Can you defend Mike Graham's platform? Why stand up for a grifter?\n\nHe's not a beacon of enlightenment attempting to discuss nuanced topics, nor even pretending to be.", "It’ll knock over the pieces, shit on the board, then strut around like it’s won", "And then defended him.\n\nLike I said you seem to love defending and enabling an abusive climate change denier and attacked an autistic child because she fights against climate change deniers \n\nIt's like you ignored what you* wrote which is really pathetic.\n\nWho the fuck said you need to hunt him... you were supposed to take my advice. Respond to what I said. But you're the kind of delusional child that will happily lie about the position you're arguing against. Because you're a sad hypocrite defending an abusive man child... probably because you're both so similar.\n\nI told you not to give him money you illiterate condesending cunt.", "Ah yes, stage 2 of explaining batshit insane stuff... \"It's not what I meant\"", "Has anyone found any growable concrete yet?\n\nSurely someone has tried it somewhere.", "Sign me up!", "But you see this highlights the problem with online communication.\n\nIn real life when you're dealing with somebody who is like this, you can react like this.\n\nThe same argument on the internet is just leaving that person with the last word. As though you can't respond to them.\n\nSure, intellectually we may feel that we're doing the same thing you see in this video, but practically they are being left with a win and other people who want to support their side, the types of people who will support regardless of right and wrong or the points being made are going to back them up.\n\nIt only takes two assholes like this to make it seem that your non-response is just that you got absolutely dunked on with his cunning response about renewable concrete.\n\n...\n\nThe internet will always be trash because of this harsh reality.", "And how confidently incorrect they are, I'll grow my own damn concrete! Trees just dont grow on trees! These damn libtards!", "“It’s 100% ~~June~~ July”", "Yes, people grossly underestimate the power of silence. Not immediately correcting someone like this is a great example. It works when asking questions and you get a deflection too.", "The little \"Merry Christmas\" at the end to try to immediately deflect into the war on Christmas I'm sure lmao", "What is reality? How can you know anything beyond your personal experience if not by relying on someone else's experience and skill?\n\nThe idea that if you censor \"falsehoods\" the truth will somehow find a way to prevail is very naive. It's very easy to manipulate facts to deceive people, and it's always good to have multiple voices to hear.", "You can grow wanker audiences?!", "Maybe he's confusing concrete with water and hardens with freezing.", "This word/phrase(reality) has a few different meanings.\n\nMore details here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality> \n\n\n\nThis comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!\n\n[^(opt out)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/ozztfy/post_for_opting_out/) ^(\|) [^(delete)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/q79g2t/delete_feature_added/) ^(\|) [^(report/suggest)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot) ^(\|) [^(GitHub)](https://github.com/TheBugYouCantFix/wiki-reddit-bot)", "Katie Hopkins is not \"just really impolite.\" She's a truly appalling human being.\n\nPiers Morgan does, at least, occasionally have a reasonable opinion on a very small subset of topics, which I don't think you can say about Hopkins.\n\nI also don't think Morgan's ever won a [Cnty](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRIdtMlqwNA), although he must surely have made the shortlist in years past.", "Lol - it’s all about that missing 10%….. I guess I should have used an emoji or something. I guess it was too dry.", "I really wish he would have mentioned one thing in regards to using wood. Yes, it's sustainable but more than that, plant life (like all life) is based around carbon molecules. It's an absolutely vital element as it makes up carbohydrates. When a plant undergoes photosynthesis, it's turning carbon dioxide and water into carbohydrates. Trees use carbs to make wood. So, lets say you chop down a tree and the wood becomes a cabinet or the frame of a house. Well, now the carbon is being stored. As long as the wood doesn't burn or severely rot, it's not going to supply that carbon back into the air. Then if you, continually replace the trees that are cut down, you get more wood.", "Trade work. It's what conservatives laud all the time. In the US they'd call it \"Real America\". \n\nHe doesn't even know what to be angry about.", "Again, who decides what's \"dangerous nonsense\"?\n\nMany currently accepted theories and facts were at some point in history \"dangerous nonsense\".\n\n20 years ago, a lot of people would have told you that the claim that governments spy on us on a global scale was \"dangerous nonsense\".\n\nYou might be in good faith (maybe), but you're naive in your thinking.", "Can you clarify your position here?\n\nAre you defending the conservative's argument by clutching pearls at OP mocking them, or are you pointing out the host literally started mocking his opposition? Because no, taking a stance that is NOT based in reality and then lashing out and insulting someone, exactly as the host did, cannot be framed as \"opposition\" that should be respected. There is 0 obligation to respect opinions that are not based in reality especially when they themselves make 0 attempt to respect their* opposition (which happens to be the real world).", "Best thing about building with trees are that the carbon is still in that tree, burning it on the other hand releases the carbon to the atmosphere which is what we try to avoid.", "I really wanted to know how to grow concrete though. It’s expensive to buy it and mix it myself", "Again, who decides what's \"dangerous nonsense\"?\n\nMany currently accepted theories and facts were at some point in history \"dangerous nonsense\".\n\n20 years ago, a lot of people would have told you that the claim that governments spy on us on a global scale was \"dangerous nonsense\".\n\nYou might be in good faith (maybe), but you're naive in your thinking.", "Someone has to, otherwise we'd all starve.", "Hows that change this interaction though... Was he wrong about concrete being a renewable resource?", "This is straight up as stupid as asking a vegetarian \"if you like plants so much, then why do you eat them?\"\n\nI'd almost respect right wing trolls if they were clever or sharp, but it seems like they're all just operating on the level of vicious 14-year-olds who want to stunt on social media. I honestly feel bad for their audience that this is the garbage they look up to. How are you not humiliated by this? How are you not humiliated when Ben Shapiro argues that oceans rising isn't a problem because \"people will just sell their seaside homes and move inland\"? How can you have so little respect for yourself that you listen to these morons?", "You fold air in, and that makes it look like expansion. But if you leave it alone, it doesn’t have a chemical reaction to expand, like a foam or something.", "Probably would have led with that, Mike. If that was your \"argument\".", "No lol...in fact in Clarkson's Farm he makes a couple of sarcastic comments about climate change and thunberg being horse shit.", "Are you sure you're not a pig?", "It does take a measure of integrity to be able to expose the lack of it in others", "Gelatin is used in the mixture which, since it comes from animal sources, seems slightly contradictory to the \"concrete's\" aims. It's mineralizing bacteria growing in an animal gel and sand medium.", "Lol the Twitter comments are worse, people taking about him using power tools and shit. We are fucked aren’t we", "Hilarious bot", "You should here them talk about that on their show. \n\nFucking idiots.\n\nhttps://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1453047541604442121\n\n2:08", "I honestly can’t tell if this is a skit.", "And then replenishing it!", "I’m on Apollo for iOS, so it could just be that", "Thats Mitchell.", "\"I don't think I ever want to talk to one of those people\" \n\nWasn't Jesus Christ \"one of those people\"?", "You forgot hot blonde or minority", "I think that is what people did with you opinion, -22 karma.", "They're sending their best.", "So you're just \"moderately\" morally repulsive?", "Wait, you could understand his mumbles?", "Doesn't just find the comments funny because just a day ago many were saying he should be executed. Seems like a odd change", "They were trying to stop cars from using it. Doesn't stop the fact they fucked up those cyclists. I cycle commute every day and I would be furious if some fucker sat in my lane. I'm trying to get to work and provide a service, fuck off.", "Well I assumed everyone else already commented on the other, stupider things.", ".... Come up with a proper argument or jog on.", "This was amazing, just the laugh I needed.", "I just want to see the reaction of someone who heard the host and agreed with him. Like LOL knee slappin’ you just made my day stickin it to then dern democraps", "Kinda like he knew the dude was gonna try and pull some shit. \n\nUsing regenerate vs grow is very intentional on the carpenter’s part", "How do some of these people end up on TV and radio? They actively look for the biggest twats with the least redeeming qualities and then send em out to talk as much bollocks as possible?", "No I'm saying lumping all conservatives together with this asshat is wrong.", "Can you “grow” the products that make concrete? \n\nAre people really this stupid? Or just argumentative? \n\nI’m scared, I need an adult", "There were actually some people in the comments of that tweet getting mad at him for dissing carpentry - people who are usually supporters. If you don't want to audience your audience, you should probably not talk bad about most of your audience believes their Messiah did for a living.", "Again, that is neither here no there. We're not talking about brain dead idiots' ability to get themselves in office. That is implied when we're talking about brain dead idiots being elected to the highest office.\n\nHe's a brain dead idiot that y'all put in the highest office.", "Why would i? I'm saying not all conservatives are like this dumbass. Being conservative just means upholding traditional values. You can be both or either socially conservative and politically conservative. \n\nMany people who call themselves conservative arent even that. They've totally bastardized the idea.", "That's sad. I wasn't particularly planning on watching Clarkson's Farm, but my mom keeps mentioning it every now and then. I'm sure I won't watch it now.", "Wow he really gottum didn’t he? 🤣", "Very self aware and insightful of you.", "It doesn't seem that wrong. The character this guy is playing is massively appealing amongst conservatives. The top rated network \"news\" shows all have conservative hosts with exactly this type of personality.\n\nLook at politics. Specifically at what happened with Alec Baldwin. A bunch of conservative politician's first inclinations was to mock it. That's a calculated choice. They know that being a piece of shit is politically a net positive for them because it's what their voters want.\n\nWe need to start addressing the fact that being a dumb piece of shit is an extremely mainstream concept for conservatives. It's not okay to continuously produce this sort of content and then when it gets pushed back, just pretend like it barely exist or doesn't represent the ideology when they scream it every opportunity they can.\n\nAnd me saying I hate hate cannot be conflated as saying \"oh you're just as bad now\". It's, again, a desperate attempt by you guys to deflect from your crazies.", "https://youtu.be/ACXaFyB_-8s", "Does it?\n\nI'm pretty sure it doesn't start shrinking till it cures (which would be when it would crack), as the water is leaving it?", "You just got wrecked by a bot, which wasn't even trying. Hilarious :)", "‘There’s just no talking to these people, is there.’ \n\n🙄🙄🙄🙄", "You're spouting nonsense. We've always known governments spy on their people and other countries. You've really got to try harder. Who decides? Again - reality. It's all about evidence. If you can provide evidence you're all good. This is how it's always been.", "This is such a beautiful exchange of media image portrail and manipulation gone wrong.", "If you were a grown up you'd say that to me... But like Clarkson you're a condesending hypocrital child.", "This man said you can grow concrete 🤣", "Oh it's definitely worth the watch still. He's definitely less obnoxiously ignorant than in his BBC days and the whole series he only makes those two comments about climate change being bs. They shouldn't stop you from seeing an entertaining show about an amateur's struggles with operating a real farm. The amount he made revealed at the end is absolutely unbelievable in a not good kind of way once you've seem how much work went into the whole thing. Granted he did have to go buy a bunch of equipment of his own to use (since he wasn't relying entirely on hired help anymore) which got factored into the cost of that year's operations so the following year would have been better, but still...your jaw will drop when you hear the net figure. I won't spoil it for anyone by revealing it here.", "That sounds just a little racist and sexist.", "But you guys SWEAR, conservatives aren't morons, right? They're just misinformed that concrete grows on trees, right chuckleheads? They aren't brain damaged, racist imbeciles, they just plain forgot concrete doesn't grow like trees, right?", "I'm not the one throwing a tantrum here, and I would really appreciate it if you just stopped replying to me.", "My point is he isn't a brain dead idiot. He acts like one because it gets him elected.", "Thats amazing !", "If he wasn't so confidently incorrect and stupid I could forgive it tbh. Trees do grow for a super long time...but that obviously doesn't mean it take 100 years for a tree to grow up lol", "Not only am I sure that you are not \"in the business\", I am not even sure who you are quoting.", "No... you're just the condesending hypocrite that can't read.\n\n>If you're going to watch don't do it on Prime. Fuck giving money to Amazon or Clarkson.\n\nWhen the fuck did I tell you hate or attack Clarkson? I didn't even tell you not to watch his show.\n\nI'd appreciate if you stopped being a condesending hypocrite and defending abusing assholes. I guess I'm the only one getting what they want... at least in part. You're still a condesending hypocrite.\n\nYou can always stop replying you fucking child. No one is forcing you. You decided to enter this thread. I didn't invite you. If you can't handle criticism after you talk bullshit don't start talking bullshit.", "cool It was deleted in seconds after I play it.", "A protest that doesn't effect a company profits will just get ignored. like redditors crying on their favorite game subreddit while buying their most recent mtx.\n\n I think there are better targets than hospitals and ambulances though.", "That's a Twitter error. Try again.", "He is a brain dead idiot.", "That would be nice, wouldnt it? Unfortunately I asked \"how is that getting destroyed?\" as the first sentence of my very first reply and did not get anything close to an answer from him.\n\nTwo kinder users answered and I thanked them, only then the OP came back for no reason and hit me with his condescending reply which I to be fair was offended by.", "Well, some other guy has been spewing such vitriol at me over this, that the whole thing has kind of left a sour taste in my mouth.\n\nI'll see whether or not the mood strikes me in the future then. I'd much rather have more James May content, though, that's been absolutely fantastic.", "They literally explained it to you. It's a running meme where people exaggerate about Ben Shapiro destroying people. And then Ben Shapiro made the joke himself saying he himself got destroyed. They are answering your question 100% but you're acting like they are being condescending. It's strange.", "A small single person operation isn't sustainable when massive companies run much bigger operations and price out the small guy.", "Yes.", "This happens *constantly. Stupid people genuinely have no clue when they've said or done something absolutely idiotic, so if they retort with something they think is even remotely clever (which is gibberish about 45% of the time), they'll think they just owned someone and share it around to show off their prowess. A lot of the time they're also incapable of understanding that all those FB laugh reacts are directed at them.", "This is my favorite news clip of all time. Tapper has this amazing ability to make a person look like an absolute dumbass when they say something stupid. His matter-of-fact, \"you don't know that, you fucking idiot?\" mannerisms are so great.", "I really like him because I find him pretty fair and reasonable. He doesn't wave the banner for one side or another. He seems happy to call out nonsense no matter where it's coming from.", "Like Shapiro", "Don't be so sensitive, mate. It's a good and entertaining show. Ignore people who are being negative towards you for wanting to watch it...some people don't like having to pirate anything and there's nothing wrong with that. It's not as if the money you or I pay for Amazon prime which is insignificant \nto me makes one iota of different to bezos or Clarkson. People who boycott streaming platforms thinking they're actually hurting anyone are doing nothing but limiting themselves. Amazon couldn't give less of a shit if a million people canceled their accounts right this second and the guy giving you shit is an idiot for thinking otherwise.", "It would sound like that to you.", "> even if you’re not a big Jeremy Clarkson fan.\n\nI am a Jeremy Clarkson fan and I think there are some bits in this that are a bit much. \n\nStuff they put in just to get mentioned in some newspapper.", "I'm not exactly sensitive, but it's not exactly fun to have someone go so hard against you while you're trying to remain civil.\n\nBut thanks. And you are right, of course, those 3 bucks a month don't really matter. Not even in the short term.", "I thought it was a reference the Wire.", "I didn't realise they were both a thing now and had assumed it was a reversion to the old channel.", "I don't know how old you are, but it's pretty common damn knowledge that you can't grow concrete. One would even call it common sense. Something you would expect someone who's making their living in front of a camera to have.", "No no Jesus was a God-fearing AMERICAN stockbroker", "As an unbiased observer who has read the entire exchange: you're the condescending asshole and it's ironic you chastised the other user for \"defending an abuser\" when you're being a harassing cunt yourself.\n\nFor the record, my username was created to mock a prolific shill spam poster on /conspiracy by the name of \"DementiaBiden\" (who was banned from the sub recently for said shill spam posting) and it is in no way expressive of my political opinions. At all. So again, quit being a cunt.", "Yeah I just read the whole exchange and expressed my opinion on that user's last comment. He's a dumbass cunt.", "Needs a catchy name. Whydidihavethebowlbartism doesn't quite roll off the tounge.", "I’m honestly shocked you heard that tbh and sorry you did, especially in London! Don’t take that as an example of the UK as a whole please.", "Malaria has 127M search results and I hope we can both agree that Malaria is not pop cultural phenomenon. I know who Jack Nicholson is, because he is a famous actor starring in famous movies, which are part of pop culture. I dont know about Shapiro because he is not famous or on TV where I live. I understand he might be popular in US and the situation there is entirely different. \n\nThere is nothing strange about what I said. We are in the reply chain where I thanked somebody who actually kindly explained the situation to me. In a very different reply chain, you linked a twitter post and told me to watch the full video.\n\nWhat is strange is your use of quotation marks around a very unfamiliar quote. Who said that?", "Ben's proactive about it. He knows when he's losing an argument, then start talking very fast and hitting points rapid fire so the opposing person can't even keep up to question the logic. It's conversationally akin to a kid tossing the game board", "How would it sound to you?", "brb gotta shave my concrete down, shit it's growing so fast this year!", "Y’all got it wrong about growing concrete. You see, you take a small pebble and place it in a rather large buttocks that sits all day and talks rubbish. There is a unique chemical reaction from said rubbish and over time that pebble begins to grow concrete. When it reaches the desired size you crack open the buttocks to harvest the freshly grown concrete. Hose it down thoroughly and tah dah!", "It sounds painfully true. Go do something productive", "Haha... fuckdemntiaBiden is totally unbiased. \n\nGet fucked you clown.\n\n\nHaha... I'm a fake shill!!! That's cute. Pathetic and totally on brand for you morons but cute.\n\nMaybe look up what prolific means cunt.", ">It's a running meme where people exaggerate about Ben Shapiro destroying people. And then Ben Shapiro made the joke himself saying he himself got destroyed.\n\nThis is a new information. You are the first one to say its a running meme and that Shapiro is in on it. This is also how pleasant this could have been. Look how deep in the reply chain we are.\n\nHow could you say they answered my question 100%? The guy first response to my question was a link to single twitter post. Then the guy tells me to watch the whole interview to understand what he meant. Then he only comes back saying he was being ironic. Then he tries to tell me Shapiro's videos are \"pop culture phenomenon\". Pokemon was pop cultural phenomenon. And I would have got that one.", "Lol you're a dumbass cunt and showing you can't admit to making an incorrect assumption. I'm all good on getting fucked for today, thanks. I'd suggest you attempt it however, you're really cranky \n\nFor reference, the user I made the account for the purpose of trolling since the user was spamming /conspiracy with stupid bullshit:\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/user/DementiaBiden/", "True and racist/sexist are not mutually exclusive. I will also have you know its my day off. I am not going to do anything productive. Seems to me you are not helping the world be better any more than I am right now.", "You didn't look up prolific you pathetic cunt.\n\nYou should look up unbiased next.\n\nMoron admits he's a no life troll and also wants to be taken seriously!!! \n\nIlliterate Clown.", "It’s nice when every day is a day off, isn’t it?", "Yoooo how do you grow concrete? I'm trying to get in the biz.", "... and the fucker actually gets paid* to be this way.", "Yeah I'd love to hear him talk about how any of his ramblings fit into the context of the original conversation.", "I mean, shells are mostly calcium carbonate (that is, limestone), so you could grow the primary ingredient in very little time, just inefficiently.", "No, that would be horrible. The current employment situation is pretty harsh. Luckily my job is not in jeopardy. Count your blessings, right?", "Oof. Damn thats the dumbest thing I've seen all...year maybe.", "I'm aware of what the word is used to convey:\n\n\"present in large numbers or quantities; plentiful.\"\n\nAs in, prior to the user being banned, DementiaBiden was a prolific shill poster who posted at least half a dozen political posts ranting about Biden being a hologram or a clone on /conspiracy every single day for weeks.\n\nYou're really bad at trying to get the upper hand on someone. Ironically insulting people and claiming they're doing the thing you're actually doing (when they are not) is a bad look. Dumbass cunt.", "Tree planter here... can confirm, we replant trees and they grow...it is sustainable.", "So now you're going to need to look up plentiful. \n\nMaybe take elementary school English. Your grasp of your one and only language is pathetic. Illiterate cunt.\n\nI'm waiting for unbiased you sad clown.", "Eh, maybe. Britain's pretty secular.", "Seems like one of many \"direct\" translations and the easiest for English-speakers because we can see \"spirit\" in it. Esperit apparently can also translate to soul, mind, intellect, wit, head, and sense.", "Some people think it's their calling 😔", "No. Get your head out of your ass and try to understand the simple context in which posting half a dozen or more of basically the same topic, every day in the same sub, is excessive spamming of a narrative. Some would call it prolific or plentiful even. Context is key.\n\nAre you drunk? Because this idiocy is pathetic and nonsensical assholery for no reason other than doubling down on your prior idiocy", "Maybe next time you want to show you knew what a word means don't copy and paste the first Google answer.... you pathetic clown.\n\nYou're literally only capable of responding with the same insults I used while complaining about them you're too stupid to think of your own words. I guess I'm prolific because I wrote half a dozen comments responding in to a biased cunt.", "Where is Ja????", "I can see where Americans got their crazy from", "Lol maybe next time don't start an argument based on an assumption and then when shown to be a false assumption in a clear and concise way don't double down in an attempt to save face by going on a dumbass tirade of insults and gaslighting. You could have just admitted you made a mistake in thinking you know my political preferences and moved on or moved on without saying anything at all....but no, because YOU are the abusive, condescending cunt you have continued being a dumbass cunt and looking like a complete fool.", "Dr. Phil at least creates the illusion he’s solving problems from a psychology perspective.\n\nJeremy just philates the right wing rhetoric that getting jobs and working hard will solve your problem. He’ll then throw the guests at an actual psychologist who works behind the scenes.\n\nHe’s more like Steve Wilkos.", "How many of his contemporaries do the same thing? \n\nPretty much all of them.\n\nIf they are so stupid, how is the right wing media misinformation campaign working so effectively?", "Yup, the pacific northwest of the US and Canada have a ton of old growth disappearing:\n\n>the U.S. Forest Service, controls more then 67 percent of the old-growth in the region. That percentage is rising not because of new federal acquisitions, but because harvesting removed about 13 percent (491,000 acres) of old- and “late-sucessional” forest on non-federal lands. (The main reason for old-growth loss on federal lands is forest fire.) [source](https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/76699/closeup-on-forests-of-the-pacific-northwest)", "Youre the one that responded to me you dumb fucking clown lol.\n\nYou said you were unbiased that was a lie. You said you knew what prolific means but that was a lie.\n\nThe only thing you haven't lied about is being a pathetic troll with no life.\n\nI was absolutely right in my assumptions.... you're a pathetic lying biased clown.", "The right wing disinformation campaign is working so well and getting better precisely because so many people refuse to accept that it is an intelligent and organised process.\n\nNot necessarily organised as in everyone is working together, but organised as in they are using the same tools to work towards the same goal.", "> Without context, I would have assumed that line was straight out of Monty Python.\n\nIt was, the argument clinic. He's confusing contradiction with argumentation.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ", "Wow. . . If you scroll down on twitter the host goes on another show to defend that you can grow concrete. His expansion on how concrete grows is just offensive to people that actually have suffered brain damage. This guy is crazy.", "Lol you don't know what prolific means if you think I'm using it incorrectly.\n\nAnd yeah, I replied to you and expressed my opinion based on things you wrote. You replied and insulted me based on my account name instead of addressing anything I've written in a comment on this post. That's called ad hominem...I addressed the content of what you said and then you ignored what I said and insulted me based on something else entirely which is illogical. Then when I explained what my username is based on, which has nothing to do with my political affiliation or opinions, you then launched into a tantrum of insults and nonsense to avoid looking stupid....ironically making you look even more stupid and like an even worse cunt than before. Good job, slick.", "Sounds like he furiously googled after the interview desperately looking for an excuse to prove himself and held onto that. If he knew that during the interview he could have clarified.", "Awww... you still don't know what prolific means you sad no life clown.\n\nLook up functional illiterate next. \n\nSad hypocrite cunt whining about ad hominem after his pathetic insults fell flat.", "😂😂😂", "Remember, as Mark Pryor pointed out to Bill Maher, [\"you don't have to pass an IQ test to be in the Senate.\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67_FB6-gGZs)", " 🤡 🤡 🤡", "Considering how stupid your replies are one would think you'd be able to complete them without 2 or 3 edits.\n\nSomeone's triggered.", "A brain dead idiot than managed to get the pro EU, pro immigration left wing London to vote him in as mayor.\n\nAnd then followed that by completely flipping the script and getting in as PM on basically mirrored policies.\n\nLook I don't like him but he is no Donald Trump, he is very well educated and knows exactly what he is doing to get what he wants.", "Perfect example how in the current political climate both sides can win an argument without any actual debate.", "How many times you planing on responding to this comment you demented clown?\n\nSomeone is triggered. We both know who.\n\n🤡", "Oh.", "🤡 🤡🤡\n\nEdit. Seeing as this guy thinks he's clever and will edit his comment I've got a screenshot waiting. He's really not clever though.", ">A brain dead idiot than managed to get the pro EU, pro immigration left wing London to vote him in as mayor.\n\nYes, you elect brain dead idiots to political offices, we get it.", "\"No woman should ever have a wet vagina, just ask my wife.\"", "Oh.", "I've yet to see mention of gelatin. Only mention that there needs to be some wood pulp used in the aggregate as a food source.", "\"L'esprit\" can also mean a general positive feeling, atmosphere or vibe.", "Yes, but you can’t just say, “No, it isn’t.”", "🤡🤡🤡", "That's after he furiously and desperately Googled it when UK Twitter collectively took the piss.", "Neat stuff", "Yeah, the projection is the other part, Biden wants to make us all wear masks, he must be trying to trick us so he can use it against us, that's what I'd do if I was him. The liberals want us all to get a vaccine, it must be some trick to kill us or hurt us or track us with a microchip, that's what I'd do if I was them, etc. It would be sad if they weren't a large enough and powerful enough portion of the population to put all our lives at risk with their machinations. That mentality was probably quite useful in the days of small tribes of hunter-gatherers, now it's a threat to society.", "Check out comedian @MrMichaelSpicer's take on the video on his Twitter account. Just brilliant. He usually rips it out of English politicians or Trump but today it was Concrete Mike's turn.", "I'm certain you meant to write OK but couldn't even get that right so doubled down on Oh. ... 🤡\n\nMade the second oh just to pretend it was on purpose. Really sad", "Oh I see", "Even Ofcom had to correct him today when he claimed that Ofcom had ruled that the term 'gammon' was offensive and banned in response to a tweet calling him one. Ofcom corrected him saying it wasn't and they hadn't. This guy is having two terrible days and he's still digging in and pretending he's winning. So funny.", "The best part as far as I can see here, it’s their own Twitter account.\n\nThey saw this and went, “Yeah, got him.”\n\nThen posted it online completely oblivious to how much they face planted.", "Not that the interviewer would know, but isn't there some CO2 scrubber technology that embeds carbon in rocks?", "🤡🤡🤡", "Oh", ">Somewhere in a laboratory they're trying to create a sort of soil that can be used similarly to the way we use concrete. That means concrete grows.\n\nSomewhere in a laboratory they're trying to mix pig dna with human dna, that doesn't mean he's fuckable.", "I think with 24/7 news media, everybody inevitably has moments when they get out of their depth on a topic. This is just bad prep work and a smart interviewee who knew they sorta just dropped the mic on somebody who didn't know what they were talking about", "Hilarious you pathetic self victimising loser", "You're going too hyperbolic and doing a direct character attack. You don't fight ignorance with hyperbole. You fight it with reality and more subtle jabs. The likelihood of you changing the mind of the other person is vanishingly small in this setting but you are playing to whatever audience this particular show has", "It doesn’t help the host’s case that he looks like he LIVES IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!", "🤡🤡🤡", "Just got Reddit and need 100 karma. Run it up pls", "Hi, I'm an account made to mock FuckDemntiaBiden... known for his prolific use of the comment Oh because of his demo. Although that's using his definition of prolific which is four times.", "Triggered. And I said half a dozen or more, every day. You can't even be pedantic correctly", "🤡🤡🤡", "Nope. He compared concrete being made of natural elements to trees being natural.", "You need to look at what you've done the past hours. What you've been saying to people, how you've acted. Do some self reflection.\n\nBecause this is patently ridiculous behaviour for an adult.", "Agreed. But regarding to environmentalism, they are both made of natural elements / things that replenish. Environmentalists often shriek about destroying forests.", "Blame Australia.", "You need to stop being a condesending hypocrite who gets upset because he can't understand basic English.\n\n>If you're going to watch don't do it on Prime. Fuck giving money to Amazon or Clarkson.\n\nDoes this say you need to hunt Clarkson you clown?\n\nI'm waiting for you to admit you were wrong to me.... but you're a fucking child.\n\nKeep defending abusers, that attack children and climate change deniers while lecturing me on self reflection. You're trash like your Clarkson loving mum. Reflect on that instead of acting like your a victim.", "Hahaha what a fucking spanner", "\\>tries to make guest emotional\n\n\\>states comically obvious falsehood\n\nThe absolute fucking state of televised \"political discussion\". And the guest did everything perfectly to make it obvious how much of a joke the host was- absolutely gorgeous.", "Oh no I got wrecked, how am I gonna survive this", "You'll change your mind in a few years, kid", "Have you tried earning karma by adding an interesting, funny, insightful, or on topic comment?", "Yes, I’ve been posting. Thanks for the help", "Its mentioned in the New Scientist article linked in the tweets, and the published paper linked at the end of the article.", "Tearing down the outright stupid crap conservatives say takes so much time that it has become a valid political/debate strategy for them. As you said, good on this person for not falling for it", "Well, normal people don't have respect for people so obviously ignorant about what they're talking about. Especially if it's in the style of debate.", "No help here. I only upvote comments actually pertaining to the post. Good luck though I guess?", "Okie-dokie. Sorry you're mad people don't want to give a platform to bad people", "Wait til you go to France buddy", "You can be dumb and smug; they are not mutually exclusive. Maybe you're right that he knows what he's doing, though.", "TIL, 'carpenter' is another word for 'climate change activist'.", "Ham grows when it's upset", "Dude I'm agreeing with you that boris is a twat.\n\nBut suggesting saying he is an idiot is what he wants people to say and is totally underestimating the opposition.\n\nThe dude is well known for messing up his hair before he goes on camera. This is a dude who has written books on classical Greek literature, he is not dumb he knows how to play the game.\n\nThis is a major issue that any one apposed to conservatism has faced over the last half decade or so.\n\nThis is a PR fail on the opposition to fail to communicate how idiotic these guys are in a way that doesn't just push their supporters to support them more.\n\nWe have to realise these guys have an effective game plan and find a way to counter it. Not just assume they are stupid and think pointing that out will make a difference.", "It's also a shorter carbon cycle. If you burn a tree, the worst you've done is given some CO2 a few decades' head start on reaching the atmosphere.\n\nThat's a far cry from fossil fuels, which when burned jump the gun a few million years.", "Clearly by your continued commenting, you mustn't care", "I’m watching this thinking “is this a deleted scene from V for Vendetta?”", "Isn't concrete one of the biggest CO2 producing industries out there as well? Seems an odd thing to claim against. And not knowing that trees are farmed just like corn and wheat and stuff. It's like he's trying to sound like an idiot.", "It takes both kinds mate. I'm sure your wife is great at what she does but she likely isn't qualified to take over my calc class.", "Ehh he's both numbnuts. Do you think being an activist pays the bills?", "Wait...this WASN'T a millennial monty oython skit?", "He says, caring enough to respond", "Worth noting that this guy's dangerous, radical left-wing agenda is \"hey, maybe we should add some insulation to all the housing the government already owns\"", "> guest: \"using trees is sustainable because you can grow trees\"\n\n> host: \"you can grow all sorts of things\"\n\n> guest: \"you can't grow concrete\"\n\n> host: \"yeah you can\"\n\nyour listening comprehension needs work, bud. You are absolutely wrong.", "Thank you for your clarification.\n\nWhen I think of rounded sand, I start the thinking about all the quicksand scenes that were common plot devices in many of the TV shows and movies of my childhood.", "That one I didn't dn't know. Thanks. I like that", "mirror anyone?", "I feel sorry for the intelligent people who have to share his accent.", "Twitters just being weird. Try again.", "Yeah, [turns out being a show staffed by morons for an audience of morons isn't actually an automatic shortcut to success.](https://inews.co.uk/news/media/gb-news-has-lost-60-per-cent-of-viewers-since-june-launch-1221761)", "> Weirdest part of the clip for me tbh. Not sure why he tried to talk down a carpenter.\n\nSeems pretty obvious to me he was expecting the guy to say he was a student, or unemployed, or \"I work in media\" - i.e. Not something \"proper\" people do.", "He should have said ‘what, does it grow on trees or something?’", "Never heard of this guy but he's hilarious!", "L'esprit can mean \"mind\" or \"mindset\", (open-minded is ouvert.e d'esprit) so it can be like \"mindset of the staircase\"; I've seen it translated as \"staircase wit\".", "actually, out of context it sounds like honest praise. \"this guy makes shit happen\" kind of praise.", "Piers Morgan has directly hindered a murder investigation. Katy Hopkins is just a bitch. They are not the same.", "He's a brain dead idiot.", "K.", "I’m waiting for one of these “red” states to cede only to find half their population doesn’t want to be red and the state implodes. \nHonestly, it’s the worst of all outcomes and definitely something the extreme right could achieve. \nLook at all their other small government initiatives they have enacted in these states and what miserable failures they are. They just don’t care. They’re in love with the dogma and ignore reality.", "Especially when his job is utterly useless, sitting and talking to a camera, versus yaknow, building houses and things people need to survive.", "Lmfao", "Yeah I guess I do understand where you're coming from tbh. Just wish there was a way to separate people like me who are fairly conservative, but not like the asshole conservatives who fear everything. \n\nI just want the government out of my business for the most part.", "Well it's made in a plant. Cant explain that", "He also tried to equate thermal expansion to \"growing\" then had a big smirk on his face and said \"I knew I was right\" or something. It's so hard to tell if he's joking or really that stupid, but according to Poe's Law I must assume he is really that stupid.", "not remotely. Only in the last few years have old-growth lumber been hard to find in yards (source: family member in carpentry)", "> I hate that we have to play a game of compromise with these people.\n\nafter The Fall, a completely different game will be played with bad actors who fuck the world up for their own gain.", "Aye indeed, a valid weapon in many situations", "> The conservative talk show actually thought that they won that conversation\n\nno they didn't, but they sure as shit spun it as though they did.", "The blinking gets me every time.", "They tried to change the word \"unfortunately\" to \"I'm looking at your stupid ridiculous face\"\n\nBruh.", "It's more like the baddies vs the fucking demons. Really depressing to have to always vote for the least evil all the damn time.", "Proper hardwood furniture is quite rarely burned, it lasts for absolutely ages.", "A lot of people upload dashcam clips of themselves causing a crash, thinking they were innocent. People are just mind-blowingly stupid.", "👁️👄👁️", "He's exactly the same as Steven Crowder but he talks more quickly. He preys on people who haven't done loads of research by trying to force them into quoting specific statistics, then claiming victories when they aren't able to do so. As soon as either of them face someone who actually knows what they are talking about, they absolutely crumble.", "I think Crowder is worse, the guy actually thinks he's a comedian.", "No it's true. I've driven near Heathrow and they've got freshly planted Street lamps near the end of the runways. I can tell they are still young because they're half the night of fully grown lampposts.", "I watched it once.... laughed out loud... clicked to watch it again and I get the message, \"This tweet has been deleted\"\n\nGlad I caught it just in time!", "No he ain't, and expecting that of him plays right into his hands.\n\nHe knows exactly what he is doing", "I don't know who this guy is but seems like he must be the British equivalent of Rush Limbaugh.", "If we are talking about specialty hardwoods maybe but even then all the lumber I can get at any yard near me is going to be farm grown or at the wildest be milled up from a local tree that fell in a storm or was dying in someone’s yard. I’m not sure if there’s also a semantic issue here as in the US we typically use “carpenter” for the more tradesman job of building structures while “woodworker” is more for furniture, sometimes custom cabinetry and finish work. There’s no carpenter in America using old growth lumber unless it is being reclaimed from a much older structure or someone is spending insane money to get around the permits for logging in old growth in most of the US. Or someone is just a rich ass that must have heart pine floors cut fresh from a 100 year old tree. Either way, the scale here is what matters as the SPF and SYP used for structures is gargantuan compared to hardwoods used by even the biggest fine furniture makers and they all use poplar innards and only the showing pieces are walnut or whatever. And poplar is like the quintessential perfect farm tree.", "Crowder is worse yeah but it's like saying you'd rather step in a cow shit than a horse shit", "/u/savevideo", "—👄—", "Thanks for the info! Such a mystery material", "Hahaha fucking A \n\nNo, I cannot. :)", "> how he heats his flat in the winter\n\nWhich would be yet another own goal because he's the spokesman for \"Insulate Britain\". They demand government action to make heating less wasteful in British homes, starting with renovation of social housing. Less GHG emission from heating is their goal.\n\nThe host could have scored some cheap points by criticizing their method of protest (blocking roads), but I guess that would have been too much effort to research, and even worse would have led to an actual discussion, where the guest then gets to make his points. Ending the interview soon was just self-preservation for the host.", "Yeah that's what it seemed like to me. I haven't listened to rush in a long time but I'm not even sure if rush was this bad... Dude is just full character in that interview and it's probably his personality now too.\n\nEdit: na I thought about it more and I'm pretty sure rush was just as bad or worse", "He's a brain dead idiot.", ">He's saying he meant \"grows\" because concrete expands when it hardens.\n\nI laughed a lot- I wonder if there's a real human that believe that.", "Dear lord it's been so long since I've been unfortunate enough to see that person exist in video and audio form- somehow he presents himself so, so much worse than the memes are even capable of satirizing, lol.", "Keep going with that and I'm sure you can feel superior as he continues to win elections. \n\nBut as long as you feel superior\n.\n\nYeah he is the brain dead idiot. Not you.", "There's some debate as to how the word for Jesus' profession should be translated. In the original Greek, it just means builder/maker. Considering that ancient Nazareth was home to a stone quarry and not many trees, it seems likely that Jesus was a stonemason or construction worker rather than a carpenter.\n\nThanks for subscribing to Jesus Facts!", "I only got that after reading more about the group Insulate Britain; one time, protestors glued themselves to a road.", "He's front page on Reddit right now. That's why he's on TV. It is sad.", "Fuck.", "I'm talking about how the monetary success of this video clip breeds more videos like it and encourages people from that side of the isle to do even worse. Drama sells. Or are you against that too?", "Funny since the “living concrete” they cite isn’t really renewable either. It still uses sand. The sand needed to make concrete can only come from specific places, and is definitely finite and non-renewable. Also coastal ecosystems are often destroyed to get the sand necessary to make everything out of concrete.", "Like that unaired Tucker Carlson interview with the Dutch economist calling for raising taxes. Dude just stays calm while Tucky Tuck gets all hot and bothered.", "The 1st tweet:\nhttps://mobile.twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1452892180301889538", "Not sure what you mean when asking if I'm against something? It's quite clear that there are malicious content creators leveraging the intrigue to drama and contention. When individuals are exposed for their manipulation of audiences, or malicious intent on a individual level - however - people often do not do well at all.\n\nIt's like saying bank robbing is successful because you do walk out of the bank with so much money. At best it is a transient experience to sit in that money, deluded in the arrogance of slighting society, but people are keen and - if caught - are not applauded for it but admonished (and perhaps jailed, in this example).\n\nI suppose I'd be wrong if the majority of content creators who are successful paraded about how easily they manipulate and don't care about their audiences, but that is clearly far from the case, isn't it?", "M.", "You are mislead by his tweet.\n\nThe point is to make interviewee look bad and promote his status. Once you say \"hmm, it seems science support it more or less\", for most of his supporters that means \"interviewer is right\", thus \"interviewee is wrong/hypocritical\". And that means \"the agenda of the interviewee is incorrect.\"\n\nIt does not matter if there's logical fallacy or no causality, what matter is that the audience feel that there's no need for change in status quo; that what they do does not impact the climate; and the anxiety of climate acitivism is poisonous.", "For most of his supporters that means \"interviewer is right\", thus \"interviewee is wrong/hypocritical\". And that means \"the agenda of the interviewee is incorrect.\"\n\nIt does not matter if there's logical fallacy or no causality, what matter is that the audience feel that there's no need to change the status quo; that what they do does not impact the climate; how they live need no adjustment and it is their freedom, and the anxiety of climate acitivism is poisonous.", "They can move if texas ever secedes, which they probably will never do in our lifetime", "first of all you're throwing too many big words at me okay? Now, because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take them as disrespect. Watch ya mouth.", "Shapiro destroyed himself.", "For every pig, there's a pig fucker.", "He realized he said something utterly retarded and just bailed out. What a cunt.", "I'm not the one who has to live with him. Y'all are the ones who keep electing brain dead idiots.", "https://youtu.be/KsisH_VY9Yw", "Re-watch. Your confirmation bias is showing.", ">.@afneil\n DESTROYS Ben Shapiro! So that's what that feels like ;)\nBroke my own rule, and wasn't properly prepared. I've addressed every single issue he raised before; see below. Still, it's Neil 1, Shapiro 0.\n\nShapipo himself disagrees with you. Assuming you even know what to look for, you might want to check yourself for some of that confirmation bias. You're obviously too invested in partisan narratives to see this clearly.", "Well, I am pro-choice and I was hoping for him to be destroyed. So maybe I will re-watch and hope for a different narrative.", "A", "C.", "D.", "Look at this Jake Tapper interview with Roy Moore.. it's a classic! The way he just brain farted for so long, you could nearly die from second hand embarrassment! \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFYRkzznsc0", "The thing is trees take years to grow then harvest. The argument from both sides was flat and somewhat immature. The planet with rid itself of us eventually it’s inevitable. We just don’t know when.", "Yeah, that's weird. I thought America was the only western nation left that still appreciated carpentry and other such manual labor as a society.", "Eh I don't know if you noticed but one guy said you can grow concrete. Which in case you didn't know, you can't.", "What an idiot Cameron is. Even jesus wouldn't back up such a stupid job as carpentry.", "Whilst you’re probably right, my above comment was actually about a mid sized farm with a number of farm hands. The problem was supermarket price wars on low cost essentials, and dominant supermarkets squeezing farmers for everything they could get.", "You’ve improved it in my eyes. I’ll pictures him going against a tree from now on", "Umm yeah, that is the entire purpose of civil disobedience.", "I'm not fighting it, I'm making a joke on Reddit.", "I think you are thinking of concrete. I was taking about cement, the binder in concrete. But looking it up, it seems that limestone is the main ingredient. So, technically the shells of small crestaceans, but no more renewable than oil.", "Well it doesn't work. \n\nI am a vegan cyclist commuter. I should be a prime ally for them. Yet all they've done is alienate me and make me care less about the environment. \n\nNow imagine how a meat eating motorist must feel.", "Yeah the exact same arguments anti-suffragettes made, \"I am pro-equal rights but they inconvenienced me personally so now I don't agree with them.\"\n\nLike I predicted earlier you just don't understand civil disobedience and in reality you were never their ally.", "Civil disobedience is not a difficult concept to grasp. What IB is doing is obstructing traffic...ineffective protests that only alienate people. Thereby putting no pressure on the government to act. On the contrary, they're only ushering in harsher police powers.\n\nI make a difference to the environment by setting a constructive example for other people. At least 3 people I know have also gone vegan. Still working on getting people to cycle commute but I am involved in a local campaign for safer cycling streets in my area. \n\nYou can make a difference without being a bunch of idle cunts.", "Trouble is a form of attention", "🧿👄🧿", ">handled this situation better in my opinion\n\nHe has his base defending him and his opponents talking about him.\n\nIn your opinion, what would \"handled this situation better\" look like?", ">Civil disobedience is not a difficult concept to grasp. What IB is doing is obstructing traffic...ineffective protests that only alienate people. Thereby putting no pressure on the government to act. On the contrary, they're only ushering in harsher police powers.\n\nFirst sentence you say it is not hard to grasp and then go on to explain how you clearly don't grasp it, maybe it is an issue of historical ignorance?\n\n>You can make a difference without being a bunch of idle cunts.\n\nNot on a systemic level, this has been shown consistently time and again. Corn laws, poor laws, Irish free state, women's suffrage, slavery, gay rights, end of segregation, all followed disruption to civil \"normality\". \n\nWhat systemic change has been achieved without civil disobedience or disruption? For everyone you name I will give you five that used civil disobedience and disruption.", "You misunderstood. I was asking what could be better than having his followers loyally defending him and his opponents talking about him for days?\n\nWhat *MORE* do you think he could have gotten? Would *WE* be talking about him had he done what you suggested?", ">How does it help him that people on reddit are ~~laughing at~~ talking about him for being an idiot? \n\nFixed that for you.\n\nYou clearly don't understand how this works. None of his followers will abandon him while he is being attacked by the left. And the more we talk about him, the more they see him as being attacked.", "Attacking the entire trade of carpentry probably isn't the gotcha he thinks it is.", ">I don't think you can just state that as a fact. \n\nHe has said nothing more moronic than Trump. Granted, Trump eventually lost supporters, but to be fair he WAS the RNC candidate.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Not everybody who listens to guys like this is a rabid moron. \n\nNo, but he's after the ones who are. They will never leave Trump, and they will never leave him.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>there are people there who can be convinced of the fact that this man is an idiot not worth following by things like this. \n\nAnd again, he doesn't want those guys.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Discounting that out of hand without anything to back it up seems to be counter to common sense in my opinion.\n\nThinking that an idiot can get a talk show and then get noticed and talked about by the world while increasing in popularity seems counter to common sense in my opinion.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>The idea that \"any publicity is good publicity\" is very often not true in reality. If that were the case, Trump would have been reelected with a landslide.\n\nTrump would have been reelected in a landslide. While he did lose some of his core supporters, he lost because so many more people came out to vote against him, not because his core abandoned him. \n\nHe still has so much support that nobody is willing to say for the record that he will not be the next GOP candidate again, and their core are done with him.\n\nIf Trump showed anything it's that you win this game by appearing stupid and appealing to the idiots and nutjobs who will never abandon you as long as you keep the stupid going.", "\"You can milk anything with nipples\".", "Ah got it. Is the bow tie to stop his foreskin popping up?", "Lmao", "Yeah Adam Hills really had no leg to stand on there for making jokes.", "rush was worse than you remember. there's entire articles dedicated to listing all the fucked up things he's said, and they still couldn't list them all", "Yeah for sure I remembered more after I posted lol", "Though being a climate activist or scientist, can't do anything right in these peoples eyes because they either don't believe in it still somehow or just don't care.", "here's the whole interview\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E\n\nit's just astounding how ben doesn't understand the idea of defending himself to get his point across.\n\nabout 2:30 is when ben starts to get agitated by the line of questioning and thinks he's secretly being attacked by a liberal.", "He might as well have been talking about Jesus.", "Kinda like food" ]	1,709	videos	Absolutely incredible interaction between talk show host and Climate Change activist
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qggtgj/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/qggtgj/deleted_by_user/	[ "_Bill Burr has entered the chat_", "Companies loss because these are real people taking about the product, not some shit advertisement which i, and many others willfully ignore out of spite because fuck companies and their greed/lies/deception", " It's full of protein, chromium, birdseed, all sorts of shit.", "Hahah that was actually pretty funny, they tried but couldn't resist the comedy", "Norm Macdonald has entered the chat" ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSM3x9G7eTQ	/r/videos/comments/qggx7t/drunk_pigeon_commentary_its_been_just_over_10/	[ "I remember when this was first posted, was pretty funny at the time", "Oh my god, thank you so much. I needed this. Its been a shitty week so far and this made up for it.", "I kinda miss the age of early YouTube. It was such a simple time.", "when funny videos were longer than six seconds", "I lasted seven seconds with that narrator.", "You errupt that fast?", "It was an exaggerated accent", "Damn and i thought i was fast." ]	8	videos	Drunk pigeon commentary - It's been just over 10 years since this classic was first posted
https://youtu.be/GX5Kh1f5ksY	/r/videos/comments/qgh8dk/halo_3s_believe_will_always_be_the_greatest_video/	[ "hello i am master chief lolololololololololololololololololol hhahahahhahaahhaha", "Always loved these live action ads, ODST was my fav.\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3S5I0_hjS3c\n\nreach was good too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18-_9E0HNY4", "Love the last ad, always gives me chills.", "Doritos and Mtn Dew all night playing customs games, America was facing a economic crisis but we didnt care, all we were focused on was getting Recon armour.", "The commercials are cool and all, but my God, the feels I get from just seeing the \"Xbox 360 Live\" logo again.", "The last part with the Chopin music I must have watched dozens of times. Its just beautifully done.", "Watching this is bittersweet. This is the game I played the most during the start of my video game addiction. But, yes, there's so much admirable passion put behind Halo to make it such revolutionary game.", "Any version of this that isn't 4 pixels big?", "This version is a little more realistic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEWIw-a0GJw&list=FLecVnusSNCAv4RAqf8C\\_64w", "I wish I could figure out the number of hours I sunk into halo 3 from when it came out to about 2010. My friend group played it constantly, so many big team battle matches, 4v4 team slayer, messing around on custom maps that we dowoaded from the community file share, trying to get all the achievements.... so many good memories. Bought an Xbox one for the sole purpose of the master chief collection. Halo 3 BTB Avalanche CTF or Assult. My fav gametype and map.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzU32Q2IzxQ (includes Diorama)\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40jdpzrpIps", "So you post a 240p version of it? Lol.", "Danke.", "Microsoft had some good ones there for a bit. I also really like this one for Forza 4 with Jeremy Clarkson narrating. \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1Uc1n4ng9Nk", "This won't matter in the future as 343 will think of a new cashgrab revolving earth.\n\nYou see, this is supposed to be veterans of the events of H3 like 50 years after it happened, this is like your great grandpa talking about WW2. But then the guys in charge will pretend there was some WW3 and some WW4, making absolutely zero sense with the established lore.\n\nGotta milk 117 till the last atom", "Halo 3 was possibly the most pumped I have ever been for a new game. I used to watch the E3 announcement trailer to hype me up before going for a run: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Ezd2FqxAU", "the ad borrows the actual sacrifices and horror of both world wars to turn a buck.", "I loved these ads, always such a disappointment that the Halo games are aimed at children to young teens\n\n\nPlayed Halo remastered series on PC recently and my god if you were any older than 13 you'd be in pain cringing at the dialogue. Couldn't get into them", "The sort of ad that seems cool if you were 15 years old at the time. In reality the games lacked the emotional depth alluded to in these \"trailers\", which was... understandable, given their target demographic.", "Has anyone done a deep research dive into the entire process of Microsoft's advertising for the 360? It all seems quite interesting.\n\nI recall [Gears of War](https://youtu.be/wy8LRlS1SCc) triggering the phase of sad ads during that time, and I wonder If that had any influence on Halo ads, or vice versa.\n\nIt felt like GoW got a HUGE HUGE boost of interest shortly after the Mad World ad aired on television, recalling tidbits of many many casual people being suddenly interested in the game (which would be a big deal).\n\nalso remember the Halo 3 Superbowl ad? It would have been neat if the 'believe' campaign was shown instead.\n\nI have a feeling the Dead Island trailer was the end of the trend of the sad ad (did this era of advertising have a term?). Not sure why but I felt after Dead Island, game trailers kinda shifted a little to the typical formula today.\n\nI would love to hear from any professional marketers out there about stuff like this.", "> ODST was my fav\n\nI think it'd be funny to remake that, but at the funeral the president is looking at his watch.\n\nThen in basic training, instead of drill sergeants there's a general talking about white rage.\n\nThen instead of crawling through mud under barbwire, their training is CRT.\n\nThen in the SOEIV we see that he has pronouns written on his uniform, and the map shows concentrations of white supremacy.\n\nThen instead of fighting Covenant, they're dropped into a school board meeting full of angry Karens.", "They even made a short [\"behind the scenes\" documentary](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnCs46FEtqA) to go along with these ads. Really an incredible marketing campaign.", "On my \"main\" XbL account I had about 40,000 games played by the time Reach came around in 2010. And most of that, probably at least 70%, was matchmaking.\n\nNot even counting all the one month free trial accounts I played on that would rack up hundreds of games in a month.", "Ugh that Dead Island trailer is such a heartbreaking one. I hate you for reminding me of it. It’s really a beautiful short film really. May rewatch just to have my heart ripped out. Worst part is I’m a father now, it’s gonna hurt more.", "Is there anyone like Master Chief in real life? I know we don't have super soldiers or anything like that, but someone who inspires so much confidence in their leadership, someone who is so idolized, that when they show up, the tides of battle can turn?", "Playing the game itself made me lose the impact of the trailer, as it wasn't an emotional story driven game like the trailer led, and more importantly it didnt pleasantly surprise me either by being awesome.", "Remind of this USMC ad\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q5R8cNbYJQ&ab_channel=MarineCorpsRecruiting", "Why share a shitty 240p rip of the video?", "\"We knew Master Chief was still in the fight... he gave us hope\"\n\nChills man", "I could legit watch a 2 hour fake documentary about a science fiction war told from the perspective about the people who fought it years later.", "Is there an in-game cutscene or anything that reflects the moment they are talking about in the ads?", "Click the gear. Change the quality to 1080p. Enjoy.", "lol u mad", "A B52 or C130 Gunship. Or dozens of cruise missles.", "Nope. Apparently the story in the game was changed. In canon, this is all a cover-up on what Chief really did.", "Oh man this brings back great memories. Good times!", "Than there's something wrong on your end, cause they're both higher quality than 240p.", "For sure. H2 and H3 made me so hyped. Never felt that until ME3 but not after. Sort of hoping GOW:R can bring that feeling back", "For the people who are downvoting this, and say they love Halo.\n\nplease for the love of god, go watch Arby n The Chief so you can actually understand this reference instead of blindly downvoting.", "I had a Master system, a mega drive at my grandmas and then I got a PS1 and I played a little sim city and heretic 1 and 2. But honestly, it was the Original Xbox that made me a gamer. Me and my brother got one for christmas when it was new. We both were sort of like thanks that's awesome but it's not a ps2. We both believed that. \n\nThen we played halo combat evolved, which we got with it. I remember walking through the first corridor and jumping over the thing and ducking under the door. Still thought it was a load of shit. And then it wasn't.\n\nThanks mum and dad. Honestly. Thankyou." ]	40	videos	Halo 3's "Believe" will always be the greatest video game ad campaign that I've ever seen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M26ug8MGYlY	/r/videos/comments/qghi1g/meese_fight_in_a_suburb_of_anchorage/	[ "A fight between two moose was recently captured on video in a quiet suburb of Anchorage, Alaska. Male moose tend to be more aggressive during this time of year, their annual rut cycle, when they spend virtually all their energy looking for females to impress and mate with.", "A big one stop the shit out of my mom in 1988. Nature is not your friend up there.", "No plural to the word Moose, it can mean one or many! Spent allot of my life in Maine heh", "Moosen in the woodsen.", "Ah it's the annual bar douchebag phase.", "I[the version with commentary is 1000% better ](https://youtu.be/HxQMNSed5oM)", "The dog barking got them to stop fighting!! lmao", "Moses", "Commentary sounds like [Mark Wahlberg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db3V-ZJ2UFk).", "The video was posted six years ago. It's been posted here before.", "Like someone else mentioned, this video has been around for a while and I didn't care that you posted it because everyone's got to be one of the lucky 10,000 sometime but this comment is pretty uncool.", "A møøse once bit my sister", "\"We know a thing or two because we’ve seen a thing or two.\" - Farmers Insurance", "In Alaska they call this, \"Dinner and a Show!\"", "I would have shit myself when the car I was sheltering behind decided to move away.", "It’s Rappaport.", "1 Moose is Moose, 2 Moose is Moose even 34,561 Moose is Moose there are Zero Meese. Any Moose is crazy though" ]	16	videos	Meese Fight in a Suburb of Anchorage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUU93Z7qNQ8	/r/videos/comments/qghlew/squid_game_but_with_hamsters/	[ "I’m waiting for the bird version… Squab Game.", "Let’s Take a minute to appreciate how 067 tries to get back up in the 5th game. He is a real one!", "Hamtaro got dark in the later seasons.", "None of the hamsters stabbed itself in the neck with a tiny knife 0/10.", "What is this..? A game for hamsters!?", "Going to have to watch Squid Game now.....", "Is this the greatest thing on the internet today?", "What is remarkable is that hamster 218 went to SNU.", "Animal abuse, my favorite!", "kinda brutal" ]	9	videos	Squid Game, but with hamsters

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