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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbkNNTkmJQ4
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/r/videos/comments/r59vv5/cool_musical_instruments_from_around_the_world/
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[
"Very cool and talented!\n\n(…. but the tabla playing was atrocious — I’m guessing its the one instrument that requires more formal training of the lot, lol!)",
"Everyone had a cool sound, think the Tahiti one was my favourite probably helps that you have rhythm to play them",
"It's a really tricky instrument.",
"Would have been a nice touch if the video ended him with shooting a gun for America."
] | 4 |
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Cool Musical Instruments From Around The World!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bmuqqUE8Z4&ab_channel=TylerMoellmann
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/r/videos/comments/r5a7w2/im_pretty_shocked_at_how_old_this_is_and_how_few/
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[
"Ah man, that was a great connection of seemingly strangers. The og drummer offering him a cig at the end, how sweet.",
"It has 1.3M views. What do you expect?",
"Incredible. Made me smile.",
"You have weird expatiations for YouTube. Pure gold will almost always get no views. I mean, what else would you expect when over [500 hours of content is uploaded every minute.](https://www.tubefilter.com/2019/05/07/number-hours-video-uploaded-to-youtube-per-minute/) That's more than 30,000 hours of content EVERY HOUR.",
"I'm shocked you're shocked\n\nBucket drumming is pretty common in *name any urban area in the world here*",
"More ad revenue obviously.",
"Im sorry but I've seem bucket drummers more times then I can count this is nothing special in a sea of content even as far as bucket drummers go its soso. it's lucky it's got 1.3 mil.",
"I mean, I definitely can't drum as well as these guys but as far as bucket drummers go this isn't that impressive.",
"Another bucket drummer, whoop tee fucking doo"
] | 9 |
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I'm pretty shocked at how old this is and how few views it has, it's amazing.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBYtBXaxsOw
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/r/videos/comments/r5abk7/xenobots_building_the_firstever_selfreplicating/
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[
"Yeah, but can you build a zenomorph that builds zenomorphs?",
"I feel like there was a story about grey goo… something, something… total annihilation… something, something… destruction of the universe.",
"I’m actually very interested in this direction in scientific discovery.",
"Article here for anyone wanting to read more:\n\nhttps://wyss.harvard.edu/news/team-builds-first-living-robots-that-can-reproduce/",
"The pitch that this can lead to coronary cleanup via nanobots is pretty interesting, imagine a future where colonoscopy and artery work can be done via a shot or a pill… the fact that they’re living nanos might even mean once the work is done our bodies can simply break them down… crazy advancements considering Star Wars is older than the MRI machine"
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Xenobots: Building the First-Ever Self-Replicating Living Robots
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https://youtu.be/Kaz2zeHxEXE
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/r/videos/comments/r5aish/this_beautifully_made_and_well_executed/
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[
"Someone didn’t get the sarcasm",
"When they cut into the tomato I thought oooh that looks like a delicious tomato and then they kept cutting and getting closer to the stem so I thought okay cutting it a bit close there, now turn it start from the other side, and then then put the stem in the pile of nice slices and i thought okay they're gonna cut the second one as well and then do some surgery on the tomato stem area and then they just added the vile disgusting inedible piece of trash stem into the bowl like some kind of animal, the unlucky person who gets the stem piece is going to look like a Neanderthal dipshit pulling disgusting pieces of stem out of their mouth after trying to chew on it for a while hoping to soften it enough so that they don't have to be pulling it out in front of other people but they eventually will have to because there's no way they're gonna swallow it.",
"Hahahah. And that is the just the beginning of this horrid video from an actual food hall in Norway.",
"That looks like a pile of yuck.",
"I hate it",
"I'm with you. It hurts my eyes.",
"But I still feel the need for people to witness this abomination.",
"Sadist!"
] | 8 |
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This beautifully made and well executed caprese-salad
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOV0k2zXjQ
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/r/videos/comments/r5ayt3/heroquest_returns_let_us_compare_versions_ashens/
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[
"[obligatory](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A)",
"What a legend",
"I got excited because I thought it was this https://youtu.be/hkQl5tP4yxI",
"Already preordered mine!",
"There's only one review of the new HeroQuest that we want to see. We're all waiting patiently.",
"Not quite the review yet, but here's his primer!\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aOCzMIbiQQ",
"Looks like the man himself hasn't posted a review but he did do a prediction video in September!\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aOCzMIbiQQ",
"Reading the title, I was hoping it was this guy doing the comparison.",
"Ah yes, I remember this old gem, back before they had to rebrand to Quest for Glory. One of these days I need to go back through these games and finally sit down and finish the 5th game.",
"The Bard posted a video just five days ago, so maybe we'll get the review we're looking for, yet."
] | 11 |
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HeroQuest Returns! Let us compare versions | Ashens
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz8-fdVtox8
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/r/videos/comments/r5by4u/how_to_restore_dislikes_on_youtube/
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[
"Just spam the comment section with “I disliked the video” or something",
"Why are people obsessed with this? Seriously. I don’t see a problem with missing down votes.",
"scammers, misinformation, disinformation, corporate ad campaigns disguised as content, etc. \n\nThey all already exist but their negative impact is somewhat limited by viewers having the ability to vote them down and give others a heads up that a video is bullshit, removing thumbs down just creates a landscape where they can go completely unchecked by the community.",
"So people want to see the down votes to “save time”?",
"or if a video is trustworthy.",
"I’d never considered that. Thanks.",
"np",
"Curiously this channel uses a modified version of a painting by Casey Weldon for their [channel logo](https://yt3.ggpht.com/ytc/AKedOLT6Y8GIZMl3dkI173eYQ_-zFLTJBp1BB-8dyeu0kA=s976-c-k-c0x00ffffff-no-rj).\n\n[Kitty Kitty](https://laughingsquid.com/portraits-of-four-eyed-cats/) (in the lower left hand corner).",
"Some amazon reviews are fradualant, should they ALL be removed ? YouTube doesn't care about user experience, it is so big, it might as well be a monopoly. And since we will come back either way, it will fuck us over to please corporations. This extension might become nearly as essential as adblock",
"This video was so unnecessarily long. Could have been 1-3 minutes.\nDisliked",
"This is very important and redditors should get behind this ASAP..",
"It's also mostly about tutorials for me. I am starting to cook more and when I go to check out a recipe for something I click on multiple videos and quick glance at like-to-dislike ratio tells me which one is probably gonna be better. This way without dislikes you have to give it more time and go to comment section etc...\n\n Tutorials for fixing stuff also, you want to fix something that's been slightly broken, you go to tutorials so like-dislike ratio is the one that will save you a lot of time and see which one users disliked the least, meaning it worked for most people.\n\n It's also another way to quickly see what video might be spreading misinformation, is a waste of time probably, is a scam preying on gullible etc...\n\n It's one of the dumbest decisions I've seen company make with which 99.9% of genuine users will hate just to protect brands or something.",
"The problem is that creators can delete comments.",
"Oh, they can delete comments? Guess they’re gonna have to be prepared to delete my 500 comments, then",
"They can remove comments by key words aka filter so that would be a waste of time.",
"Don’t underestimate my ability to cope",
"If you're so fixed on your mission, by all means good luck",
"thanks for this mate",
"Yes agreed. Was any extension recommended?",
"It's just fetching the dislike data from the Youtube API, that's going to be disabled in about 2 weeks so all of this will be useless.",
"I keep hearing about them hiding the downvotes but they never went away for me... has it been implemented already?",
"If removing fraudulent reviews was the point, they should remove the Likes counter instead.\n\nActually, make that the Views count and Subscribers count as well.",
"You mean you don't enjoy someone reading an FAQ to you?",
"It's caching the data so it'll still be useful for older videos but yeah going forward it won't be great",
"It depends on the platform/browser/app you're using (and maybe even your location). Either way if they're not hidden for you yet it's just a matter of time. Over the next few weeks it will be hidden for everyone.",
"I think an interesting way to tackle this is an extension which automatically calculates and displays a like to view ratio. It wouldn't require any outside support databases or large scale use to function. Maybe have the percentage show up in a scale from green to red after figuring out some good thresholds.",
"yes indeed, i do a lot of coding for my university course and it is now impossible to tell if a video is worth my time when i need to learn something, making it at least 20x more annoying or impossible to know if a 30min video is reliable before watching",
"Needlessly long video, disliked.",
"yes, return youtube dislikes on the chrome store. He has a mere 533 dislikes",
"link for the lazy https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike",
"Similar to Steam's system, which will say Overwhelmingly/Very/Mostly Positive or Negative, or Mixed Reviews, etc. I tend to ignore Like/Dislike counts if it is something I am interested anyway, since I want to check it out for myself. However, if I am only seeing it in passing, I do rely on other's ratings to help determine if it is worth my time (especially for a game, or a video that is more than a minute or two long). Seeing that something is harshly downvoted allows me to skip it.\n\nOn the other hand, YouTube's statements make it clear that their objective is to completely remove the ability for viewers to express any public negative opinion at all. So, the end result would only be total likes (like Faceboot) or maybe some ratio of views to likes (which would not help, since Liking a video requires an account, and statistics say that having \\~4% Likes-to-views ratio is \"good\").\n\nI hope they decide to do something smarter than leaving the Dislike count gone/hidden completely. It is easy to forget, but YouTube is the second most popular website in the world, and the second most popular social media website in the world. If they really want to make a positive change for everyone, directly addressing harassment, bots, spamming, and other mass actions, would be much better than just removing a useful feature.",
"Welcome to YouTube.",
"I cannot find it now, but there was a rumor that a company (maybe a game developer) wanted YouTube to remove the dislike count from its video(s) due to them having a high dislike-to-like ratio. Does anyone else remember that, or am I suffering from a Mandela effect?",
"https://returnyoutubedislike.com/",
"hes literally explaining how it works, what do you expect",
"If nothing else, I can admire your valiant effort and determination"
] | 36 |
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How To Restore Dislikes on YouTube
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r5ciy0/deleted_by_user/
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/r/videos/comments/r5ciy0/deleted_by_user/
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[
"Currently happening",
"No no nothing to see here.",
"Is this channel the new PragerU?",
"The irony of this videos content... The only argument against pandemic safety measures continues to be pseudoscience and now pseudophilosophy.",
"It is, just not in the way you imagine.",
"Yep - the video both explains how mass psychosis works (with some major flaws or details missing) while also pushing forward ideas supported by the current mass psychosis going on in our world. \n\nIts a very confusing mix, but there are undeniable undertones here of anti-science, anti-lockdown/anti-masker views. I'm seeing the deepest and most disturbing psychosis from that kind of person - a person who now actively denies science and logic and touts the word 'freedom' as if it suggests some kind of leader-less utopia thats been torn from our hands by evil forces (when realistically it never existed in the first place)"
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[deleted by user]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAryf0UlRP0
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/r/videos/comments/r5ckq9/yall_need_to_see_this_fine_editing_work/
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[
"I think that is flour in the hair dryer, and is a great demonstration of why grain silos explode sometimes.",
"Those farmers really need to stop doing their hair in the grain silo. Keep it in the bathroom.",
"That kid is two face now"
] | 3 |
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Y'all need to see this fine editing work.
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https://youtu.be/guGqfe0_nkw
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/r/videos/comments/r5clu1/we_must_go_deeper/
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[
"This oddly reminds me of that legendary reddit thread where someone posted 3 different photos which explain how the earlier photos were taken.\n\n[Found it!](https://old.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/cmwov/hey_reddit_what_tattoos_do_you_have/c0tpyls/)",
"What happend? I think I blacked out",
"What kind of drone is that?"
] | 4 |
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We must go deeper
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https://youtu.be/I2UFyOmGpV8
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/r/videos/comments/r5cs1u/after_criticism_from_noel_g_jayz_opened_his/
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[
"He is no Beyoncé, let’s just say that.",
">In winter 2008, it was announced that Jay-Z would become the first major hip hop artist to headline Britain's Glastonbury Festival. Tickets sold out quickly. \n\n>Former headliner Noel Gallagher of Oasis condemned the festival organizers for choosing Jay-Z to headline a traditionally guitar-driven festival. \"I'm sorry, but Jay-Z?\" Gallagher asked, swearing. \"No chance. Glastonbury has a tradition of, kind of, guitar music, do you know what I mean? And even when they throw the odd curve balls in on a Sunday night—you go, 'Kylie Minogue? I don't know about that', do you know what I mean?—but I'm not having hip hop at Glastonbury, no way, no, no. It's wrong.\" \n\n>As controversy mounted, Jay-Z replied, \"We don't play guitars, Noel, but hip hop has put in its work like any other form of music. This headline show is just a natural progression. Rap music is still evolving. We have to respect each other's genre of music and move forward.\"\n\n*Pulled from Wikipedia",
"I adore hiphop but never quite understood the pull of Jay-Z",
"Noel then gave this [amazing interview](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olqS8y-o5s4) on the subject.",
"he's a great singer",
"How can you say you \"adore hiphop but never quite understood the pull of Jay-Z.\" If you know anything about hiphop then you know he is a huge artist in the genre and has millions of fans. You should just say you don't like his music, which is fine, but not understand \"the pull\" I don't get that comment.",
"Such a dope opening and the back in black change up made me feel things",
"What a weird comment. I can't choose what i enjoy. But i really love hiphop, especially old-school hiphop. i even rap myself. but **personally** i don't understand what is so good about jay-z. i'm sure others do. but my ears don't find it. it's ok to have different tastes. Don't be so elitist",
"Yah. I heard some of his stuff and thought it was awesome and then the beats and the lyrics would be pulled from other hip hop artists before him, that i'd find later on.\n\nI can appreciate his music and still like listening to him, but I haven't read/heard/seen any reason why hes one of the greats. But I could say that about a lot of other artists. Until you learn that history you just don't know.",
"No, he's not... He's a rapper for a start."
] | 10 |
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After criticism from Noel G, Jay-Z opened his Glastonbury set with a tongue-in-cheek cover of Oasis's iconic song "Wonderwall"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPrNRd5KmRw
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/r/videos/comments/r5cvd6/two_grizzlies_fighting_this_was_incredible_to_see/
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[
"It’s a fascinating spectacle on video, I can’t imagine it in real life!",
"I can’t imagine. I’m sure it was beary unexpected.",
"Long Lost Brothers playing.",
"does one of them die at the end?",
"You know, in videos like this, it's hard to get an exact idea as to how big things are. Trees are variably-sized, after all. Still, they do look HUGE. I hope the people had nice telephoto lenses and weren't nearly as close as they seem.",
"Bear walking past in the background like... Tom and Bluey at it again. Silly fucks.",
"Right. Don’t mind us, nothing to see here.",
"And then what happened ?! Where’s the full video GOD DAMN IT ?!?",
"Anyone taking wildlife photos with their AF beep on should have to give up the hobby.",
"Finally a sequel to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-Q5Q_fVW-o",
"Looks like the loser submitted so that was probably it",
"This is awesome!!",
"Bluey is an amazing show, stop hating",
"Bear in the back be [like](https://i.imgflip.com/2bsc99.jpg)",
"“What a sadistic camera person WHY DIDNT THEY BREAK IT UP, THIS IS ANIMAL ABUSE”",
"SoMeBoDy CaLl ThE ZoOkEePeR",
"At 50 seconds it's like the bear in the front tries to pull guard but it didn't work out",
"How people could of have survived a bear attack amazes me!",
"I like to think they're fighting over who gets to eat you. I might've backed up a bit.",
"I actually agree on a altercation here too. Their territory has shrunk worldwide which pushes them together in general more. Bears need all the help they can get if we still want them around in a few hundred years.",
"Bears fighting in Finland: I guess they didn't get their welfare checks.\n\nEDIT: It's a joke for fuck sakes.\n\n2nd EDIT: HAhahahahahahaha...",
"\"I didn't hear no bell\" - that bear maybe",
"I think they're pretty close. 40feet? 60?",
"Most random shit I’ve seen",
"FORESTSTAR!",
"Seems like mostly posturing... like neither really wanted blood.",
"This isn’t my video. I realize now I may seem that way. I just saw this on YouTube and wanted to share it. It really was incredible to see.",
"We think the same because thats exactly what I thought when watching the video haha.",
"Do they fight to kill? Or do they fight till one submits, and then they shake paws?",
"Where’s Keith Peterson when you need him",
"Look at those Kuma mains go. I'm surprised one of them didn't change skin or play as Panda to tell the difference.",
"What?",
"It’s the same bear.",
"Naa",
"Well, usually they don't",
"*decades",
"Also that shutter slap. Jeeeesus, did he have the video camera mic attached to the body of the other camera!?",
"Has camera technology really not progressed to the point where that super annoying clicking has been eliminated yet? Or has it been artificially added back in because people like it for some reason? It sounds loud enough to disturb/distract the wildlife, which I can't imagine is ever a goal for a wildlife photographer.",
"Surprisingly not true, looked it up and according to this site only 14% of attacks end up fatal. \n\nhttps://petpedia.co/bear-attack-statistics/",
"That is very surprising",
"> looked it up and according to this site only 14% of attacks end up fatal. \n\n14% of the attacks we know about, Way more likely to know about attacks from survivors...",
"How can people watch stuff like this? Watching two beings rip chunks of each others face out probably fighting over viable hunting grounds.\n\nThis isnt a pay-per-view fight where the loser goes home to millions of dollars. The loser might die.",
"Can you imagine how many calories they're burning???",
"And then consider that these were European brown bears. The Kodiak brown bear often grows twice as heavy.",
"Im imposing my views on the act of **viewing** such a thing. The fact that you cannot seperate the two ideas either alludes to you purposefully trying to manipulate the conversation, or do not actually understand the concepts you are attempting to wield.",
"Kuma and Panda are [characters from Tekken.](https://youtu.be/fc7Oo2xjpMk)",
"> Grizzly bears and brown bears are the same species (Ursus arctos), but grizzly bears are currently considered to be a separate subspecies (U. a. horribilis). ... Even though grizzlies are considered to be a subspecies of brown bear, the difference between a grizzly bear and a brown bear is fairly arbitrary.\nSource: https://www.nps.gov/katm/learn/photosmultimedia/brown-bear-frequently-asked-questions.htm\n\nedit: But this is indeed in Finland where there is just Brown Bear, term Grizzly is used only in North America.",
"This is what’s known as a Teddy Tussle.",
"“Not my circus, not my monkeys.”",
"Bear in the back: \n\n\n\"Fuck sakes.. Ricky and Randy are at it again\"",
"I was waiting for the John West guy to come in and fight them.",
"Those are 30 foot tall bears",
"How are their faces still intact? It looks like they kept getting a good bite on each others faces multiple times.",
"I have no idea, I’m the furthest thing from a geologist.",
"I was waiting for the bears to stop fighting, turn to the camera and just charge.",
"So what do you want? Everyone to look away, cover their eyes?\n\nSome people aren't as squeemish as you. Seeing two bears fight is pretty incredible, and not something most folks see every day. It makes sense to watch.",
"The last goddamn thing I'd ever want to do if I was sitting anywhere near two fighting bears would be to make camera clicking noises.",
"0:53 - \"I'll get the pocket pussy\"",
"[Maybe not Panda,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYk2i070I2I) but Black Bear might be a better option.",
"You dont get it, that sucks but not everyone knows how to exercise empathy and that is life.\n\nThis isnt about being squeamish. What is there to gain about glorifying bears fighting?",
"There is nothing to gain. There is nothing to lose. Sometimes a video of two bears fighting is just a video of two bears fighting.",
"So then why are people in awe about it? They are seriously hurting each other.",
"Have you ever seen a bear in real life, outside of a zoo?\n\nI haven't. And I definitely haven't seen two of them fighting. So if I see two gigantic killing machines fighting, you betcha I'm gonna watch. It's hard to believe this is a hard concept to grasp.",
"Fun fact: kuma means bear in Japanese",
"There are clearly two bears.",
"Sure, if it happens live in front of you, park your ass a safe distance and enjoy the live pay per view. But online? Where you have literally almost anything at your fingertips? Little morose.",
"A 3rd actually walks though the background at the end",
"My attention span failed me.",
"Most Dslr use a mirror to show the view from the lens to the viewfinder, when it takes a photo it flips the mirror up and that is what you hear. If it's a Mirrorless camera it will have a shutter curtain that will make clicking sounds as it goes up and down when taking photos, however unlike Dslr cameras, Mirrorless have a silent shutter mode that disables the shutter curtain and makes the camera completely silent."
] | 70 |
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Two Grizzlies fighting. This was incredible to see.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm1PMTENeLc
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/r/videos/comments/r5dqly/how_a_north_korean_pilot_accidentally_received/
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[
"I wonder if the guy even gave a shit about the money after getting away from NK would've been a win in itself.",
"I would say he cared... One hundred thousand dollars makes starting a new life in a new country a lot easier",
"A) Not Accidentally. It was advertised under *Operation Moolah* \n\nB) The defector's squadron mates got executed, so the price of a jet was the mass-murder of a squadron.",
"this is like even less information than just reading a wikipedia article",
"Damn thats pretty messed up, seems to still be their punishment to this day for defectors.",
"He wasn't aware that Moolah existed when he defected though.",
"Yeah I thought that was the whole point of the video lol"
] | 7 |
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How a North Korean pilot accidentally received over $100,000 for his jet by giving it to the USA
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kn2KFC8cX-g
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/r/videos/comments/r5dwtv/incredibly_well_made_video_about_the_massive/
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[
"Love this channel. His video on the China volcano was really interesting as well",
"Great video. High quality and really informative. Now I want to watch his other videos.",
"Great video",
"Great watch, thanks for sharing.",
"That was very good, thanks for posting.",
"What a phenomenal channel! A hidden gem on YouTube \n.",
"this is what history channel should be",
"brief overview on that video?",
"There's a volcano on the border of China and North Korea that's one of the largest in the world and it didn't fit into 1 of the 3 theories that explained how volcanoes were created that existed in the 90's so researches had to do a lot of cool research to explain how that volcano came to be and what it taught us how the earth's mantle worked.",
"It is incredible, the quality of this person's creations. The kind of creator I worried would be a great loss if he were to be unsuccessful in finding an audience of sufficient size.\n\nBut since his Paektu/Changbai video was first uploaded, it ended up gaining a lot of views, and I am relieved to see that it seems to be working out regardless of the time it takes to make such good videos.",
"Uh, why isn't the town pronounced like Madrid? List MADdrid pronunciation is killing me",
"I wasn't that surprised by it cause Lost in the Pond talked about it in a video I watched recently.\n\nIt's just that it used to be a Spanish settler's town, then English-speaking Americans took it over and eventually ended up pronouncing it differently (wrong).\n\nIt's just what people from that area call that town. It's technically \"correct\" to pronounce the American Madrid wrong. Deep Dive also touches on it later in the video himself.",
"To me, Mt. Paektu sound like a LIP in the making."
] | 13 |
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Incredibly well made video about the massive scale of East Coast earthquakes, how tectonics magnify them by 20x - and the mindblowing annihilation around New Madrid
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https://youtu.be/0dHC11iapJk
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/r/videos/comments/r5eroe/if_you_ever_find_yourself_in_a_life_or_death/
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[
"Fuck sarcasm tags",
"Way to be ableist some people with mental issues cant recognize sarcasm",
"Its a shame Thomas Binger didn't have access to this, would've changed the outcome of the whole trial.",
"That's why I always read what I'm looking at online outloud incase there are any blind people nearby.",
"A blind person who was interested in something online would have a text to speech program. \n\nBut there is no software that auto detects sarcasm and applies a tag for mentally challenged people. \n\nBe better",
"You are a loser",
"From anyone else that would be an insult, thanks!",
"Should every piece of sarcasm be tagged? (Attention, please do not read this in a sarcastic tone for it is not sarcasm).",
"What if you tagged things that are serious? Like \"/serious\"....nah that's too long. Maybe just use the first letter? /s"
] | 9 |
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If you ever find yourself in a life or death scenario, follow these safety defense video. /s
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https://youtu.be/RBHZFYpQ6nc
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/r/videos/comments/r5fhnn/fiddler_on_the_roof_if_i_were_a_rich_man/
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[
"Terrible film.",
"Did Gwen Stefani have to pay royalties to use it?",
"I remember Fiddler on the Roof finally got me interested in musicals.",
"this is a great song.",
"All of the music from Fiddler on the Roof was great.",
"Fun Fact, John Williams won his first Oscar composing the orchestrations for this movie",
"Cool.",
"Harnick & Bock are credited as songwriters on it, so I would assume they got royalties, just as the songwriters for \"Annie\" made royalties from Jay-Z's Hard Knock Life",
"Miracle of Miracles is like stabbing my ears with a rusty fork. I love the rest of the movie though.",
"LOL..well it's not the best song in the movie but it's not that bad.",
"I've sung this song to myself as long as I can remember. Good shit.",
"This song contrasts really well with the end",
"Chaim Topol's acting in this film made me wish I was Jewish when I first watched this",
"Yeah, not gonna lie, no one can touch Zero’s Tevye.\n\nJust sayin.\n\n[If I Were a Rich Man - Zero Mostel](https://youtu.be/nbJEpcteKg4)"
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"Should store the dislikes offsite, replace the youtube dislike button with their own.",
"A good video will always have way more likes than dislikes and a bad video more dislikes, removing the dislike stats won't change any of that\n\nIf I watch a tutorial video with 10% likes and 90% dislikes, I already know it's complete bull shit and it prevents me from wasting my time watching something that in end won't help me.",
"lmao you're delusional \"no such thing as a good or bad video\" is the same as saying there's no such thing as a bad movie, show, song or videogame.\n\nI don't remember the name of the YouTuber but a couple of years ago, he made a video about how being sexually attracted to children was ok and that using a child under 3 for sex was fine because the baby wouldn't remember any of it growing up. Needless to say that the video was disliked a bunch, is that a good video too?\n\noh here's another one, there was a guy making videos of him beating animals, his channel was later banned. Should you like that too?",
"thanks for sharing it.",
"I still see dislikes and a dislike button on YouTube under all videos - is the removal like a planned change that people are already complaining about? Or am I missing something?",
"Bring back the star rating system",
"It's affecting different people at different times. A friend of mine has had it gone for a little while now but it only disappeared for me just yesterday.",
"Crazy how pressing dislike on a video is bullying in 2021 apparently, how sensitive people can get nowadays is unbelievable. If you make videos and you can't stand the fact that people can dislike or disagree with your stuff, then you shouldn't be making videos in the first place, you may be too weak mentally for it. \n\nAlso, you do know that the dislike button still exists for content creators on their own channel right?",
"Same thing for me. On my PC, they’ve been gone for a while but only yesterday did they begin to disappear for me on iOS safari; however, some videos still show the dislikes.",
"Too sensible.. think of all the scammers, propagandists and lost revenue from advertising on sensationalized content!!\n\n90%+ content on the platform would be <1star",
"Companies like Google/YouTube rolls out updates gradually now. I did not have it until yesterday. Its gradually being pushed.",
"wow, a Mental Outlaw video on reddit!",
"OMG dude can you seriously not see any reason someone would downvote you OTHER than to just do what everyone else is doing? \n\n\nIs you coming across like a condescending asshole, narcissistically married to a bad point, even within your consideration? \n\n\nAnd why do you suppose it's JUST YOU and your fabulous take that everyone is \"bandwagonning\" against?",
"The button still show up, you don't see the numbers. Instead you get a notification saying that the creator was notified about your dislike (mobile).",
"Says the person who deleted their comments because of the negative karma.",
"You sure like deleting comments that prove your point.",
"Lol. \nDunk.",
"I installed it yesterday after the dislikes disappeared... fuck youtube -.-",
"OMG man take the L. \nThis is getting sad.",
"L is a fictional construct created by bandwagoners. Where there is no mob there is no L. Mob = irrelevant. So you are the L",
"It all started with N64 Expansion Pack anouncement! I am 100% sure of it!",
"> Removing them removes your power. So it's consistent.\nKeep coping.\n\nEz, I can just put your username, /u/frofrop, here so when people come back later they know which coward kept deleting his messages because he refused to acknowledge that his opinion was unpopular.\n\nIf you go on my profile, I have some comments that don't do too great (especially in programmer humor), but I at least stand by my opinions. If you can't stand by your own opinions, how can you justify them?\n\nAlso, on Reddit, deleting the comment doesn't take away the negative karma, it just secures it.",
"/u/frofrop\n> Point already proved. And it take away power from the silent downvoter bandwagoners. Erasing is the only way to destroy stupid people. That's why YouTube canned downvotes. Now you useless eaters have no power hahaha\n\n\nAye now the comment is still around here even if you delete it.",
"Proved (that should be 'proven' btw) to who exactly? \nLiterally no-one has supported you or had their minds remotely changed by you. \n\n\n\"Proving\" to your SELF that the reason everyone has taken against you is because they're all wrong and stupid, and you alone are a clear thinker and in the right, isn't how \"proof\" works. \nIt is though exactly how delusion works.",
"Meanwhile Reddit has had the downvote count hidden [for the last seven years](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/28hjga/reddit_changes_individual_updown_vote_counts_no/). Heck, if you opted out of the redesign, some subreddits will have the button disabled altogether.",
"That'll never happen lol. No advertiser is gonna allow their product to be on a 1 star video these days. \n\nAdvertisers say jump, YouTube says how high.",
"You still see the net count. It's not ideal though.",
"/u/frofrop\n> Have fun downvoting a deleted comment. You have no power here.",
">90%+ content on the platform would be 1star\n\nI don't see a problem with this. Most of what trends on YT are 1 star videos.",
"I mean, what stops me or other people from going to your other post and downvoting them? They're still around.\n\nAlso you need to stop being racist. It's not cool.",
"Honestly, for those who care, someone is quite likely to build a browser extension to do just this. Sadly though it'll be a very specific subset of users who are tech savvy enough, though if I have to trust any subset I suppose there could be worse ones to choose...",
"Only if it's above 50% (on a post; negative scores only show on comments), otherwise it just shows \"0\". And not even OP will know.",
"Watch the video, he explains that thoroughly",
"/u/AWildTyphlosion\n\n>Have fun downvoting a deleted comment. You have no power here.",
"So when I see a comment that has a negative score, doesn’t that make it less than 50% upvoted?",
"Apparently TikTok recently passed YouTube in terms of total watch time per day. TikTok doesn’t have a dislike system so YouTube is trying to copy it",
"Star ratings are inherently flawed because the majority of people either vote 5 or 1 star. Which is why they moved to like or dislike.",
"Susan has truly lost what little is left of her mind if that's the case.\n\nImagine thinking YouTube and Tiktok serve the same purpose to users.",
"Removing dislikes just allowed more disinformation than ever to propagate on their platform. I'm not even referring to anything political, I'm talking like videos to fix your car. A bad up/down ratio tells me there's something off with a video like this, and I've been robbed of this ability.",
"It is algorithm manipulation, they don't want review bombing to effect sponsored content. They've taken away control from consumers. Corporate media overlords want to be the only ones with the power to sway public opinion",
"Yesterday I had to sift through a bunch of misleading videos and watch them all the way through because I couldn't see the ratio . No app to show dislikes on mobile that i know of. Normally if I saw more dislikes than likes or close I'd skip it",
"She's never been a good CEO for YouTube. I'm still salty about her attack on educational programs. Some history channels still can't get monetized despite putting out higher quality content than anything the history Channel ever did.",
"That's actually not a bad idea. \nUse your other account (having two accounts is sus and weird btw) and make the same exact points elsewhere. \n\n\nIf you get downvoted exclusively again, it can't be just bandwagoning. The commonality would only be you and the things you say. \n\n\nYou've been going on about 'proving your point' over and over. Well, now's your chance bud :)",
"No, that's not the reason.\n\nI'm convinced that youtube removed the dislike button entirely because corporations wanted it gone. Advertisements tend to get ratioed HARD on youtube, especially if they're bad. And companies HATE that. It makes them look bad right out of the gate, and they don't release ads for their stuff to have the plebs make them look bad for it.",
"Honestly I can't even think of anything good she has done for the platform.\n\nBut because the founder of Google felt guilty for cheating on her sister she gets to run YouTube.",
"He could do the same thing. You have no power here.",
"So, you install their plugin so they can track what videos you're watching...",
"I have all the power. I control you rent free.",
"I'm a carpenter and use YouTube as a resource for everything from proper sanding technique to installing a shower. The like/dislike ratio is extremely important, as 50% dislikes often mean the advice is wrong, 25% dislikes often mean they're missing something. But YouTube isn't for learning anymore--it's for consuming content.",
"Lol. \nThought you'd dodge that one.",
"Companies already had the ability to hide like/dislike counts on videos though. What's the point of having just the \"likes\" displayed if the number is so low?",
"Who the fuck clicks on advertisements to check how many dislikes they have?",
">Proved by me. The fact that you think masses agreeing with your proves an argument proves your sheep mentality. You literally can't do a single argument without that. Brainless and delusional sheep mentality.\n\nWhat proof? You've deleted all your comments. \nYou have nothing left to substantiate your claims. Attempting to make arguments without proof, if nothing else, sounds \"brainless and delusional\" to me.",
"Thought and succeeded.",
">I have all the power. I control you rent free.\n\nThen I hope you enjoy stick drift, you've got an grimy Atari joystick to deal with.",
"They must measure watch time in some bullshit way becsuse there is no way YouTube is surpassed in watch time",
"Meta commentary but whoever made this channel and ceded it into reddit videos is clever because I see two posts about the same video on the front page of the subreddit",
"The Gillette ad that was all about toxic masculinity got an epic ratio.\n\nI clicked on it *just* to see the downvote ratio.",
"https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-58464745\n\nYou’re right. It’s TikTok surpassed YouTube in watch time per user. YouTube still has more users so it’s total watch time still remains higher as of now",
"If everything is comparable (e.g. everything has a star range), this is not a problem. It would allow the actual 5 star videos to stand out from 4 star videos etc. If anything this fact does not limit the variability of the rating system.",
"As a consumer it makes sense.\n\nBut as a corporate interest group trying to sell you stuff or a newstainment propaganda outfit trying to push narratives on the people it doesn't make sense.\n\nGoogle doesn't give a shit about the consumer, except as a source of revenue generation.",
"So you don't use a VPN? Your ISP and Google can track what videos you are watching. You do use a VPN? Ok Google still can track which videos because you have to log in to see some content.",
"Did they really use the excuse \"try to protect small creators from dislike attacks\"?",
"Comment, yes. \nPost, no.\n\nThe post I linked up above? 49% upvoted, meaning it has more downvotes than upvotes. So in theory it should have a net score below 0 because math literally dictates it. \nAnd yet it says 0. Not -1, not -2, not -627,594,278. \n0. How many more downvotes than upvotes has that post gotten? No idea. It doesn't say. Doesn't say it in the redesign, doesn't say in old.reddit. I couldn't tell you, and Reddit surely doesn't want to either.",
"Its open source, so if it was doing that people would know about it.",
"It's only for posts, not comments",
"Google can track which videos you're watching just for the fact that you're logged in to your google account...\n\nI'm talking about giving your youtube history data to a 3rd party, who you know nothing about. This is obviously a honeypot scam meant to piggyback on the youtube dislike controversial.",
"Probably will be seeing a lot of top comments like: \"Leave a like you if you disliked this video\"",
"They're still there. I can see them on my own videos in the manager thingie. It's just not available to anyone else.\n\nIt's extremely dumb.",
"yet many sites manage to make usefull ratings of it anyway (I'd argue imdb has a quite robust solution)",
"Because hiding dislikes and comments shows weakness. Now that everyone is the same, we have no idea if they're choosing to hide something deliberately",
"There's a rather big difference between \"the ISP, which I have a contract with regarding various things, and which has an address/legal representation that can be used in case of disputes\" and \"some VPN company sitting in a far-off land, outside of my jurisdiction, with no real control over what they are doing or how\".\n\nAt least in Europe, I trust VPN companies much, much less than the big ISPs.\n\nAdd some addon into the mix which sends your view history (in order to get the dislike count, they need to query at least the id of the video you're watching, after all), and you get quite a spicy situation.\n\nNot that Google is much better, if any, or less shady, but they're rather big and if they do mess up, the fines that especially the EU could order them to pay in case of a data breach could hurt. A smaller company/organization dealing with the YouTube data of a few thousand people is probably flying under the radar.",
"today on youtube i learned you can clean your dishes in the dishwasher more effectively with used motor oil. gonna have to give it a try.",
"Thanks for letting people know, this is the first I'm hearing of this!",
"Open source does not guarantee security.\n\n> How does this work? The extension collects the video id of the video you are watching, fetches the dislike (and other fields like views, likes etc) using our API.\n\nRead that again.\n\n> using our API.\n\nThis means that whenever you browse to a youtube video their server know about it. You don't know what's running on that server, what it stores, how it analyzes the data.\n\nYou know how much it costs to run servers at massive scale? Why would they pay all that money just to serve you the stupid dislike count? Think.\n\nDon't be a fool, don't install this shit.",
"Won't the comments tell you what you need to know before you watch it though? I find that for just about any instructional video I'm looking for, if there's anything even remotely incorrect about it, it's extremely clear in the highest voted comments.",
"View counts are displayed too though, so I think it would be very easy to guess at the ratio.",
"Reviews tend to be treated differently to ratings. Imdb is great for retrospective reviews but Youtube is more about just 'slamming that like button' to support creators and show your approval/disapproval of content directly to the creators. With Youtube it's more just about whether the video was good or not instead of giving critical feedback on a sliding scale.",
"Yeah, but it's a loose correlation. There are boring/mediocre videos that don't warrant any engagement and there are straight up bad videos.",
"That is something that is easy to say, but time after time it's proven that it being open source does not mean that people actually review it.\n\n \nGitHub reported in their octoverse report last year that 17% of all software bugs on their platform were intentionally placed in the code by malicious actors. \n\n\n>In total, 17% of vulnerabilities are considered malicious -- such as backdoor variants\n\n>On average, vulnerabilities can go undetected for over four years in open source projects before disclosure.",
"I will rather just downvote every video I come across than use an addon to bring back (a semblance of) the lost feature :).\n\nIf everyone starts downvoting every video -- will the creators notify Youtube that the new changes are deleterious?",
"so what you're saying is that people are liking or disliking anyway, and the star system is flawed because if provides a nice like/dislike ratio?\n\nyea that makes sense",
"All videos for me on desktop have no dislikes for about a week.",
"I replied to someone else saying similar but basically people just don't treat Youtube like that. Considering how much content is on Youtube, what it tends to be and how it's consumed, there's no reasonable way to determine something to be 3* instead of 4*. When they used to have star systems, people literally just spammed 1* or 5* because no-one critically analyses Youtube videos or reviews them. It's just 'is this good or bad', that's how most viewers think about casual videos.",
"Helpful information but this dude is missing the point. YouTube doesn't care that government videos are getting a lot of dislikes, he sounds like a conspiracy theorist acting like the government is trying to hide dislikes. If \"the gubbment\" wanted to hide dislikes they can already do that on the videos individually.\n\nYouTube is trying to protect advertisers and content creators who partner with advertisers.",
"They can remove negative comments as well",
"If you're paranoid about this, then as the fella says, it's open-source. Get the code and make a version that doesn't tell some unknown third-party what videos you're watching.",
"Oh, well in that case perhaps that happens yea. I've never experienced something being false and not seen comments pointing it out. But we might be looking for different types of educational content. I can see someone intentionally trying to mislead someone being able to curate their comments if they tried really hard.",
"They do this explicitly to try and minimize consumer uproar. If everyone lost downvote counts all at once, everyone would complain at once. If they spread it out, a couple of guys might notice downvotes are gone, see that nobody is complaining about it, and decide not to complain either. \n\nThey know just how unpopular this is, and they go beyond not giving a shit - they're actively trying to silence feedback.",
"You think a dozen other sources don't already track your every move on the internet? Fuck do I care if someone else knows I'm watching car videos and grunge concerts all day.",
"And apparently it was effective.",
"Or at least allow creators to enable or disable it",
"No, it's because it doesn't accurately represent the way people judge Youtube videos. You don't need to give people five options for something that only needs two. No-one is looking at a 20 second clip of a dog eating its poop and saying 'ah the lighting was bad so I'm going to give it a 4* instead of 5. And it's hard to judge whether a video is good based on seeing an arbitrary star rating. The difference between 3.95/5 and 4.09/5 is insignificant on the surface but it's illustrated a lot better with likes to dislikes. You only had to take one look at the bar to see what people think of the video, there's no blurred lines.",
"Is that for real lol?",
"How much do extensions that have been been downloaded like 5 times pad that number? This has 50,000 users. I'd assume likelihood of review increases alongside user number.",
"Why don't they just make it optional to have it available? That way, if a video has them disabled, you can tell it's probably a shit video.",
"BTW, this is also the explanation for removing downvotes",
"I've literally never payed attention to dislikes on youtube except for completely 100% undeniably awesome videos that inexplicably have 25 downvotes. Like there could be a news video saying that AIDS has been cured and there will still be a few dozen people hating on it. \n\n\nI guess some people think it's good for weeding out bad tutorials, but I've followed dozens of tutorials based solely on view count and...I dunno, whether or not they sounded like they knew what they were talking about.",
"The customer is always right",
"How?!?!\nIf more bad videos get seen, more advertisements get seen?!?!",
"You know they literally had star ratings for years and came to the same conclusion, right? The vast majority of people literally only voted one or five stars, that's why they got rid of it.\n\nIf you think people are watching Youtube videos of babies falling over and critically judging on whether it should be 3 or 4 stars then idk what to tell you lol. Having a visual bar with two options was clear as day, you didn't even need to look at the numbers, just the ratio. While a major Youtuber will always have a 4.5* rating or above without actually telling us anything about the quality. People don't notice if it's 4.5 or 4.25 but that difference is huge. You're thinking in an ideal world but the Youtube audience is not an ideal world. Again, this was literally all figured out like ten years ago lol",
"Yes .. if say 50% of all YouTube videos are downvotes, and nobody want to advertise on downvoted video, then removing downvotes will create 2 times the amount of videos that can be used for advertising revenues.",
"That's generally the same for 90% of imdb \"reviewers\". Yet they manage to make a better system than sites that aggregates actual reviews (rotten tomatoes)",
"Are you joking? This post is about how to download the extension that does this. And you just commented that on this post?",
"scraped data? like from where? This looks like baloney to me",
"But again, movies require that level of depth. There's a difference between a 8/10 movie and a 7/10 one. There isn't a difference, in a Youtube viewer's mind, whether Baby Shark should be 3* or 4*. There's no nuance. People just go for the min or max.",
"Yep, and with news stations claiming that it was to \"protect the children\" because apparently 13 year olds are disliking videos... or some BS.\n\n\nIt is obviously done for for corporations.",
"Then they should just get rid of the like/dislike alltogether. If I drop by a youtuber and want to check out some of their better videos the only metric I have to go by is views. Even pornhub has better sorting than that.\n\nThe usefullness of rating/likes is fully dependent on what youtube wants with it, and unfortunately their priority is not user experience.",
"No. Update staged rollouts are a thing for everyhing.\n\nFrom Android updates to Smart TV updates. It helps with things like server user load (so it isn't all at once) and for leveraging support if something goes wrong with an update, so they fix the issue for 5% of the user base who already has the update, instead of the 100% if updated all at once.",
"We should just start spawning every shit video with \"Downvoted\" comments",
"> Your ISP and Google can track what videos you are watching\n\nAll your ISP sees is that you connect to Youtube. The full URL and video contents are encrypted with HTTPS.",
">I'm convinced that youtube removed the dislike button entirely because corporations wanted it gone. Advertisements\n\nLook at that cringe Netflix santa thing for a great example for why.",
"Hopefully the company that runs Youtube won't convince the company that runs the Chrome Store to ban that addon.",
"The server isn't, and even if it was, there would be no guarantee that the code in the repository was the same code that was running on the server.",
"There is absolutely no reason for me to compete with them over this. I'm not in the business of collecting data.",
"Oh yes, that small creator called YouTube, which holds the record for most disliked video on the platform.",
"This is bullshit! People need to know that Justin Beiber's \"Baby\" is the most hated MV of all time",
"I’ve used YouTube from everything to learning new hobbies, to professional development, to simple video games tutorials. The loss of the ratio/dislike button permanently degrades the platform.",
"I just started a video the other day about how to edit some STL files and I knew nothing going in. It was a 20 minute video and it took about 10 minutes to realize it was complete shit. 200 likes but I couldn't see the dislikes. Maybe it was 200. Maybe it was 2 and I'm just wrong. But I wasted my time and it's because they took valuable information away.",
"A 10 minute video to tell me all I needed to know before the 40 second mark. Cool.",
"If it wasn't for millions of content creators on Youtube I'd seriously consider other platforms now. If they keep fucking up I'd imagine there's gonna be a competitor soon enough.",
"Seriously? That’s awful…",
"They know that, and they also know you’ll be forced (as an alternative) to go to the comments instead. They want more discussion and engagement as well.",
"It was also one of the only ways to show displeasure in a game company doing shady or unwelcomed shit. Like Diablo Immortal",
"Exactly. There's tons of life-hacks videos, random tutorials, free-energy devices and other dumb ideas that will make a lot of people lose time and even money trying things that don't work. There's a reason why rating systems exist in almost every service: to let others know when something is worth it or not, being an Amazon product, a Netflix TV-show or a YouTube video.",
"They removed it imo because the only people that realistically use it are boomers angry about politics then these same people use like/dislike ratios to circlejerk with one another and assume they’re in the majority when in reality they’re just more vocal and video hopping and disliking because they have nothing better to do.",
"Rating is also very cultural. Seems to me that USAians tend to go for 5 stars if they cannot find fault in the thing. Finnish people probably give 4 stars for really good because, you know, it could probably still be better somehow.",
"I keep seeing this but it doesnt really make sense to me since you could always disable voting on an individual video or across an entire channel.",
"You don’t “need” to give people anything. But you said yourself, most people only choose 1 or 5. People feel better about giving a 1 or a 5 instead of a thumbs up or down, and it provides a better distribution of like to dislike. Giving people more choice is never a bad thing for the people choosing. \n\n\nHow is it hard to read a star distribution as a like-to-dislike ratio if people are acting like you say they do? Unless of course they’re not just choosing 1 or 5 ?",
"Issue is, people are less likely to come back if they consume bad content with no immediate way to filter it by glancing at dislikes. It hurts the general public and benefits big business only.",
"\"Comments have been disabled\"",
"And the Product is never right. In case I wasn't clear, you're the product.",
"It's just a matter of time until YouTube removes the dislikes from the API.",
"I learned that using gasoline with a match creates fireworks gonna try it in my bath",
"Ironically this hurts small creators more than anyone. Without the dislike count, I rather just watch the big content creators I'm suscribed to because I already know they produce quality content and I'm more likely to not be disappointed.",
"They took the dislike away to protect creators but still show the creators how many dislike they get. How does that make sense? Show us the dislikes and hide it from the creator to protect their fragile feelings. Now you just have to leave the worst comments possible to make sure to hurt their feelings, since YouTube thinks thats better than a simple dislike.",
"Thanks for this. At least we can see the dislikes again.",
"As it should be for every video. Nothing good has ever come from the youtube comment section.",
"Yep, this is a significant problem because it applies to so many different types of tutorials--some of which can be harmful if they are bad.",
"Now that the dislike counter is gone I'm noticing now how much my eyes are drawn to it after clicking on a video.\n\nNow I'm just instantly clicking on that empty dislike button.",
"If you’re on old Reddit the only way for a sub to turn off the downvote button is via CSS, so if you disable the subreddit’s theming it all functions exactly as it should.\n\nJust a helpful tip for anyone who might not know.",
"Imagine if the Verge PC build was released when youtube implemented this stupid \"no dislike\" crap.\n\nAnd we're not even talking about the more harmful, truly uninformed content made by a content farm. Like those \"food hacks\" channels targetted at young kids because food hacks are fun. Fuckin' bleach a strawberry to make it white and not have any disclaimer that it's not edible anymore.",
"Or they'd turn off the comments.",
"It’s called being able to delete negative comments on your video.",
"And watching ads for cars and tech that are thousands to tens of thousands of dollars you'll never buy.",
"Even better, “use this comment as a dislike button”",
"If dislikes go, so do I. I need a filter for shit videos.",
"It's time to start using a new platform. Boycott YouTube.",
"It takes a lot longer to sift through and read comments than seeing an instant 100k dislikes to 100 likes",
"Yeah I don't get it. If it's about \"not being able to bully the creator\" how does it help if only the creator sees the downvotes?",
"any good alternatives to youtube? any good content creators on those alternatives? genuinely looking to change platforms",
"Say mean things to hurt creators feelings since that is better than just hitting a downvote(according to YouTube).",
"Some channels disable comments to prevent off-topic discussions, mean comments and such, even if the video is fine. And in case comments are enabled, it still forces you to waste more time reading some of them, instead of being able to take a quick glance at the like/dislike ratio which only takes a split-second.",
"If you're already in the comments, you could also just give actually useful feedback. Creators can't learn anything from Dislikes.",
"*YouTube* wasted your time.",
"Because \"muh creators\" was just a bullshit cover story. This is really being done to protect corporations, advertisers, mainstream media and government.\n\nNow you can't see if people hate the company or product\n\nNow you can't see if its propaganda or fake news",
"There are so many garbage software tutorials on youtube, without the dislikes its will be really hard to distinguish what videos are a complete waste of time",
"Just the one example of the Youtube Rewind 2018 video shows just how misleading this change is that Youtube has made. 3m likes seems like a lot! But compared to 19m dislikes... Fuck this change. Addon installed.",
"Many riches for scammers!",
"That would be the orderly way of doing it.. but that's not annoying for YouTube like it would be to suddenly spam all video with thousand of useless extra comments.",
"I assume this is why: previously, if I encountered a video with disabled voting, I would automatically become suspicious of it.",
"They just need to change the nomenclature to “helpful/not helpful.”\n\n \nI can find a video not helpful but not outright dislike it entirely.",
"yeah thats an immediate red flag",
"I read that watching fire relaxes you so please report back",
"Actually I think you're the one ignoring the other's point here.",
"And that is the entire point for removing them.",
"You still have the comments. Ideally a comment explaining the deficiencies in the video will get the most thumbs up",
"'Am I out of touch?....no, it's the children who are wrong'.\n\nDid you ever think you didn't articulate your point that well or that you came across as a bit of a dick? It's honestly not that deep, it's a conversation about the fucking Youtube rating system, nobody really cares",
"same i was watching a video on some about fixing some airpod issue and i knew something was fucky, and experienced the importance of dislike button real quick.",
"Then don't collect data. Do something that gives you what *you* want without giving others access to it.",
"I mean sure but there also video that they make knowing are bad that only deserve a downvote, this is the kind of stuff I'm referring to.",
"> But YouTube isn't for learning anymore--it's for consuming content.\n\nThat's generous. It's about consuming ads first and foremost with content taking a second place.",
"They don't need to try really hard when they can hold back all comments for 'review' and only approve positive ones.",
"I recently heard about this. Is it like a dislike takes away a like, wouldn't that be better? If it's bad, no likes at all. Like Reddit downvotes",
"They are going to lose even more people when it turns out that you can't reliably use youtube as a quick way to problem solve a DIY, Game, PC, Car, boiler or whatever type of issue.",
"Well, that and they're already so huge that they know no one will be able to do anything about it.",
"I like the idea and will also leave very negative comment as well. Better for the creator to read mean comments than for someone to hit a dislike button(according to YouTube)",
"In that case so does likelihood of attack.",
"It's so they don't have to manually remove dislikes from whitehouse videos anymore",
"Lol, could you imagine if it was the same company?",
">Only active repositories have been included, not including forks or 'spam' projects.\n\nApparently most are libraries that get affected and then people implemented those into a ton of projects propagating the vulnerabilities.\n\nSo likely when reviewing the code it's not a snippet that covers what they are doing, but an unsuspected looking method from one of the many libraries included.\n\n\n>GitHub found that 94% of projects now rely on open source components, with close to 700 dependencies on average.",
"Who said you had to compete? Running it on your own server sounds like a fine solution to the potential privacy issue.",
"Which is odd as their new ad promotes using their service as a learning platform.",
"You can also use it to fertilise your lawn",
"\"protecting small youtube channels\" from getting their feelings hurt is such a bullshit reason [because we can still see the dislikes in our studio tab](https://i.imgur.com/SWaWgbv.png).",
"Disagree, but only for certain video types. They can really add to science based videos.\n\n I like [RSD Academy](https://www.youtube.com/c/RSDAcademy) and [Science Asylum](https://www.youtube.com/c/Scienceasylum) for instance. For RSD, Bob uses the comment section as a \"questions from students\" space that generates clarifying videos. Nick from Science Asylum will make a video at a low to intermediate level and then often the comments will turn into a treasure trove of advanced knowledge from users and Nick himself.",
"Sure, but then there needs to be an actively malicious creator with an agenda. I'd say those are in minority, especially when it comes to educational content.",
"You can't just clone it and run it locally, the entire point is that once the YouTube API stops providing dislike data you will be depending on other users of this extension submitting their dislike data to the server to be shared with other users. \n\n>make a version that doesn't tell some unknown third-party what videos you're watching\n\nThis code already doesn't do that, the problem is nobody can verify if the server is running the same code shown on GitHub. If you made your own version, other users would still have the same trust problem.",
"this is true for most tech things as well.",
"> It's about consuming ads first and foremost with content taking a second place.\n\nWho the fuck is still complaining about ads in 2021? I haven't seen an ad on youtube since like 2010.",
"\"protecting small youtube channels\" from getting their feelings hurt is such a bullshit reason [because we can still see the dislikes in our studio tab](https://i.imgur.com/SWaWgbv.png).",
"Why make assumptions without reading the code? The only API calls it makes is a GET request to \"https://return-youtube-dislike-api.azurewebsites.net/votes\", with the video ID as a parameter. The video ID is the only data that's being handled. Other than reading your URL, and editing CSS that's all this script does.",
"Dislikes still show for me. I thought youtube would reverse their decision after the backlash.",
"And this lack of community opinion could be dangerous in the context of daily maintenance advice. \n\nFor example, I've just got access to a hot tub for the first time in my life, and learning how to maintain it is pretty important. If I follow a person who has advice on doing that and there are 50 percent of the users disagreeing with this person and I don't know that, I could be putting my health at risk and never know it.",
"Neither have I, doesn't change the fact that the platform does almost everything it does in the name of advertising revenue.",
"My take, if I dislike something, I make sure to say so in the comments. “I disliked”",
"I love the comments where someone with two first names, has sexy bitLY url or comments that are generic \"really great content. I would like to share on my site too\"",
"If I was an advertiser I wouldn't like my ad being displayed before a spam video",
"They no longer care about your time or if the video is informative or useful... they just care about ads and your spending more time watching videos... I don't even see the point to like a video anymore",
"The Dislike button / the display of the Dislikes is for me a quality feature. You can see very quickly if the video content is of high quality.",
"That's a pretty retarded take that shows a woeful lack of understanding of how people use Youtube.",
"The Super Straights just got a 24hr erection",
"the lack of dislikes might be annoying but I doubt it'll turn anyone away. no one goes to vimeo for tutorial videos for a reason.\n\n\neven if there are people swearing off youtube forever over this, I'm sure there are enough children binge-watching garbage to cancel it out.",
"Hiding dislikes is actively supporting and encouraging spam and scammers.",
"More like advertisers say jump and youtube says ok off of which bridge.",
"The client would have to send your data to the server. If the open source code doesn't do that.. The server can't magically know what your client is doing.\n\n(I haven't read the code)",
"That's a total lie and misdirection on their part. I rarely, if ever, see hate comments or dislike bombing on small channels. It's always the big corporations doing something greedy or shitty",
">People feel better about giving a 1 or a 5 instead of a thumbs up or down, and it provides a better distribution of like to dislike. \n\nWho the fuck are these people you are talking about?",
"Use the free Brave browser on IOS and never watch a YouTube ad on your phone again",
"They should've just removed likes as well.",
"It's a theory given the timing. Sergei Brin and his wife Anne Wojcicki separated in 2013 because of his extramarital affair and then a year later Susan was made CEO of YouTube.\n\nTbf Susan was a big part of early Google and was heavily involved in the YouTube acquisition so she was far from a nobody but the timing of it really makes it feel like the events are related in some type of way.",
"It was bad enough that they didn’t have the like/dislike stats next to the video thumbnails. This recent change is just terrible.",
"\"Comments have been disabled on this video\"",
"Seems like the add-on will work better with more people using it, so spread the word!",
"Youtube cares about two things. Making money and not getting fucked(out of money). This comes in two forms primarily.\n\n\nAd revenue. \n\nAnd Copyright bullshit.\n\nFor them the ideal video is watched by many, doesn't infringe on anything that can cause a lawsuit, and is inoffensive enough that companies won't hesitate to put ads on it. \n\nBeing able to view the dislikes help creators get a better idea of if people enjoyed their video or not. Or hated it, so their next one can be even more inoffensive. \n\nThe dislike button is still there you see, you just can't see how many other people pressed it.",
"luckily we have an upvote downvote system here, so I can see that what you said isn't right lol",
"Yeah I’ve stumbled across videos that look like it’s what I’m looking for only to find some scam and like thousands of downvotes. Problem is we have no alternative and YouTube has no reason to go back",
"Am I the only one who don't give a shit about this?",
"I assume its because the algorithm that essentially runs YouTube recognized videos with a high dislike to like ratio were less watched and thus was making less revenue removing it simply gave YouTube more opportunities to make money. Like how the algorithm made those Elsa Spider-Man videos highly profitable to the point people just had AI making them.",
"Maybe, but at some point people will rely less and less on YouTube and migrate elsewhere.",
"Anyone who doesn’t realize that them removing the dislike button is specifically to protect their fragile brands and political ideologies is a sheep.",
"just comment a link to this add on",
"just comment a link to this add on",
"Of course, it's just ridiculous how they can give an official explanation that is obviously complete BS and people are not calling them out for simply lying.\n\nWe all know it's about making us watch crappy videos.",
">Say mean things to hurt creators feelings since that is better than just hitting a downvote(according to YouTube).\n\nYou say that but everyone knew this was the natural next step because of Youtube's decision. This is a direct cause and effect due to youtube. The blame is still on Youtube.\n\nLiterally watch any youtuber's video over their decision and they will say \"I'm worried that people will simply escalate and find a new way to show their dislike of a video and that means going into the comment section which will be worse for creators.\"",
"Just makes it easier to bad creators with good production quality to spread bad information.\n\nRemember there was one video I saw about creating a plaster fireplace mantle+surround. The way it's constructed is 100% against code because it uses wood under the plaster too close to the fireplace opening. They are selling plans to people to create a hidden fire hazard inspectors and future buyers won't even see. I pointed out the issue and got shadowbanned.",
"No. Just the count gets taken away. Plus a ratio is a lot better. Big difference if 100k people liked and 99k disliked or 1002 liked and 2 disliked. Both would show 1k likes. And you can't always trust the view count to get an idea",
">Creators can't learn anything from Dislikes.\n\nYes the hell they do. You literally don't know what you're talking about with that. Creators know how important that is to them because it lets them know if they should keep doing a certain type of content when they're experimenting on what type of videos they should make.",
"The removal of dislikes has made it significantly harder to find good tutorials / informative videos. When before you could usually look at a glance whether it would be useful or correct, it's now a much more tedious process. \n\nPlease just bring dislikes back.",
"Amazon needs to come with a true competitor, integrate it with their twitch livestreaming platform and take a fat shit on YouTube. I mean they own so much compute/storage, they're the only logical organisation which could compete long term?",
"> But YouTube isn't for learning anymore--it's for consuming content.\n\nI got news for you, it always was. You just got to use it for learning for a brief moment in time.",
"Good riddance.",
"IMBD is exactly why it’s terrible! People just rush the site to review bomb movies for illegitimate reasons, or praise it to hell before it even comes out.",
"It’s just like the government passing a bill. Use the word “protect” or “defense” or “freedom” and it’s usually the exact opposite",
"It's still retarded reasoning but, if you did something really embarassing like pissing yourself. You already feel bad that you pissed yourself, but you would feel even worse if 100,000 people saw you pissed yourself.",
"Also a clear sign the video is crap.",
"That's smart actually",
"Even Let's Plays that I like to watch as filler can't be judged very well now. I used to search `game name + let's play` and look for the ratio to judge which is more well-liked. Now, I just have to guess.",
"Everyone says the dislike option ia gone, but I still have it. Is it not a universal thing?",
"The star system works like this:\n\nThe average rating of the product is based on the average reviews. If a product has 5 stars as it’s average rating, but you think it should it should be 4 stars, most people just give it 1 star to help drag the average rating down as much as possible so it can more quickly hit “4 stars.”\n\nPeople want control over the overall rating. Simple as that. And most people don’t have the honesty or the introspectiveness required to admit that they do this shit.",
"True. Would be interesting to see a vid with 10 million views but a 100 likes, like hmmmm something's not right. This isn't good",
"Imagine if the Verge's PC build video had come out now.",
"They should just leave the dislike count enabled for any videos tagged with the label \"tutorial\", or is uploaded under the education category",
"But the lack of upvotes will show through.",
"can't blame the guy for not watching the video. it is a fuckign obnoxious age we live in where you see somethign that should just be a fucking link to a download, but instead its a 25 minute video with adds you need to skim through just to find what should have been a link. \n\nthankfulyl this video has the link in the description unlike the majority of cunt videos that only link it through the video itself. fuck I fucking hate being old sometimes.",
"As you should. Now we can't trust any video on youtube.",
"People say it's because a multi-million dollar company is \"embarrassed\" about Youtube Rewind, but let's be real. My personal theory (which I think is most of the answer) is that if you've ever checked out the COVID information and vaccine videos they push to the front page, those things are absolutely inundated with dislikes and negative comments from anti-vaxxers, if comments are even left on.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIn these cases, it really does make the extremist opinion of a few seem way more common than it actually is. I don't think this is the right call at all by YouTube, but I do think this is why they made it.",
"You think they don't want that? It's like FB, they purposely want that disinformation and crazy conspiracists cause it generates views. They just do it in sneaky ways.",
"Yeah with cases like that it'd be obvious. But I watch a lot of smaller YouTubers for hobby gear reviews and it's almost impossible to tell. Personally dislikes were crucial to get an idea of a product was just a paid endorsement or actually good since I wouldn't be knowledgeable enough in the hobby to tell.",
"I never stopped seeing dislikes for whatever reason",
"Ah ok. Damn well that's a bit of a blow to open-source.",
"And yet even with the reviewbombing they manage to keep most ratings quite well balanced. Unlike metacritic f.ex.",
"Is anyone working on a new video platform yet? Cause if there's not one gaining steam, I'm going to do it my damn self.\n\nFuck money, I just want a platform to watch videos that actually gives a shit about it's creators.\n\n\nOther ideas:\n\n(1) Limiting it to ONE ad at the beginning of the video\n\n(2) No ads on the original Rick roll video. I will use a sizable chunk of revenue to pay Rick Astley directly for any potential loss in ad revenue. But nothing ruins a good Rick roll like having an ad ruin the surprise.",
"So you spend more time watching trash til you get to what you actually needed, and YouTube gets to show you more ads every time you load a bad video. $$$",
"Maybe the extension could post a comment saying this was downvoted and post a link as well. Google would probably ban the extension tho.",
"But do we really want Amazon MORE involved in this shit?\nThey'll probably do it way worse, either for us or the planet...",
"Well the way the system works is it distributes the data collection for the dislikes to the clients, so it would be easy for them to start tracking by simply triggering the data gathering functionality on every youtube page.",
"You can install an extension to see the dislikes for now, in the new year that will no longer work.",
"I offered this theory lower down, but:\n\nAds are shown as pre-rolls before videos. I can't remember a time I went to the actual YouTube page for an advertisement (to... what, give the advertiser free market research?) so I don't think dislike campaigns have a terribly significant effect on an ad's reach or effectiveness. My personal theory (which I think is most of the answer) is that if you've ever checked out the COVID information and vaccine videos they push to the front page, those things are absolutely inundated with dislikes and negative comments from anti-vaxxers, if comments are even left on. \nIn these cases, it really does make the extremist opinion of a few seem way more common than it actually is. I don't think this is the right call at all by YouTube, but I do think this is why they made it.",
"Nah, they'll bring out Youtube+ with added dislike buttons! $4.99 a month!",
"Doesn't help for creators that deliberately make clickbait and scam videos.",
"Everything YouTube does hurts small creators. A switch in the algorithm over the last year has made my view count 10% over what it was this time last year. Unless I upload a short, then it's normal! And my suggested page for when I want to watch is all crap, or large channels, I don't even see videos from small channels I subscribe to any more, channels I used to watch weekly, unless I specifically visit the subscription tab.\n\nWatch that'll be the next thing they take away lol",
"That's...not at all why they do gradual rollouts.",
"I'm not here to talk down open source. It's great! \nBut it's also a bit of a false security to assume it's 100% safe because \"someone else will check it\". \nThere's positives and negatives with open source, as with everything. else. The largest positive is that if you _really_ want to feel secure, you can go in and check every small detail. It's just that it's very seldom people have a reason for this, after all \"someone else\".",
"Calling youtube out is like having a vocal hissy fit at a lamp post you walked into.",
"The reasoning behind the choice is so obviously bullshit. If they wanted to \"protect small creators\" then they should have made turning off the like/dislike counter optional like it is for comments. Then if someone's looking up a tutorial and they see it turned off they know to look elsewhere. But instead YouTube fucks over creators and viewers alike with this move. Typical.",
"He's talking dislike counts. There used to be a number associated with dislike, just like there is with likes. It's gone now. What he says is true. The dislike to like gap on accounts like the Official White House account was huge. The number of dislikes was massive on every video.",
"but don't comments get to the top based on likes?",
"The premise is that you would like the “dislike button” comment",
"I no longer feel safe getting homebrew like apps from YouTube videos anymore. Usually the dislike ratio would indicate if something was potentially malicious",
"Corporate media and government was tired of getting their content downvoted into oblivion.",
"ah, right",
"YouTube is making itself a less viable product. Even corporate and government stuff isn't going to benefit because people just won't watch it and it will get few upvotes.\n\nMaybe a knew metric add-on like Upvotes verse Views over time. A good video will have lots of Upvotes for the number of views and they will come more quickly.",
"No, because a lot of smaller videos will barely have any comments. Also, it's obviously much quicker to glance at the voting ratio to get an initial feel on whether the video is good or not. Then you can check out the comments section for info.",
"Ah, that's hot. That's hot.\n\nThis year, WE control rewind. Play the non-offensive pop music.",
"They changed the number on posts a few years back, its now karma, not the upvote/downvote ratio, comments are still upvote/downvote ratio.\n\nThe top post used to be 20k karma, now its scaled up to ~100k.\n\n~~You can see the effects:~~\n\n~~https://web.archive.org/web/20161102021511/https://www.reddit.com/r/all/top/~~\n\n~~1 Month later:~~\n\n~~https://web.archive.org/web/20161206214041/https://www.reddit.com/r/all/top/~~\n\nI kid you not, this took me half and hour to find: https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5gvd6b/scores_on_posts_are_about_to_start_going_up/",
"Retarded take",
"At least it will create more competition",
"But that's the problem, too many times these companies just rely on people putting their hands up in the air and shrugging it off. Maybe if consumers actually stood up for themselves and stopped blindly *consuming*, it would send a more impactful message.",
"Except they would never drop that kind of capital. Twitch already loses Amazon hella money, I find it hard to believe they would go even further in the tank just to stick it to YouTube.",
"> Creators know how important that is to them because it lets them know if they should keep doing a certain type of content when they're experimenting on what type of videos they should make.\n\nHere's a non-exhaustive list of reasons people dislike videos for: Video too fast, Video too slow, Didn't like the sponsorship, Don't like the voiceover guy's accent, Voiceover was too loud, Voiceover was too quiet, Don't like the topic, Hate someone appearing in the video, Didn't think explanation was detailed enough, Don't like a brand mentioned in the video, Don't like the music, Bandwagon on large dislike bar, Don't like political opinion of person, Don't like review result, Don't like camera work, Don't like a joke in the video...\n\nThe only thing creators know by simply disliking is *someone* didn't like *something*. Nothing else.",
"I think this is part of it for sure— especially with sponsored content where creators and corporate interests are trying to blur the line between advertising and entertainment. But I believe the sort of \"corporate responsibility\" (not from any sense of moral obligation, mind you, but under pressure from shareholders and the threat of regulation) has pushed a lot of companies to make gestures to stop the spread of misinformation and extremist content. And high amounts of dislikes, especially on COVID informational videos (some of which have ratings or comments turned off, some of which don't) are a breeding ground for extremists with time on their hands to artificially inflate the popularity of an opinion.\n\n[https://imgur.com/a/SKnw2Ax](https://imgur.com/a/SKnw2Ax) the top comments on the first video under youtube's covid information section. This was a stupid call by YouTube, but I think it was motivated by this kind of stuff. Not that it will make a difference.",
"What even is youtube's justification for hiding the like button? So weird to only allow the creator to see them and make them feel bad about their content when it's not even public anymore anyway? Like either fucking get rid of the button or dont?",
"Youtube has become completely unusable without a bevy of plugins and mods. I need an ad-blocker, a sponsor blocker, a dislike restoration plugin, another one to hide the Trending garbage and the Stories, which are just ads now. Without those plugins on desktop and Vanced on my phone, I would barely stand to use Youtube anymore.",
":( you wanna talk about it?\n\nEdit: By the way, not saying this is not a consideration based on money. I just think the threat of government regulation and scaring shareholders as a result of misinformation is a bigger concern for youtube's pocketbook than advertisers occasionally getting \"bad reviews\" on videos where nobody ever looks at the actual video page itself.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nedit 2: [https://imgur.com/a/SKnw2Ax](https://imgur.com/a/SKnw2Ax) top comments on the first video under youtube's covid information center. uh, the covid deniers agree with me... yay, I guess?",
"YouTube rather serve shit than let it be outlet for people.",
"Its a good thing. We need a replacement or competitor.",
"Get rid of dislikes!!! If people feel so strongly about a video they should comment. far more constructive than dislike!!",
"YouTube rather serve shit than let it be outlet for people.",
"Exactly! This is the real reason why.",
"They literally tried to argue the small creators that obsess over getting dislikes would just choose to not look at them.\n\nPeople with unhealthy obsessions with them are sitting there refreshing that page every 5 seconds already.",
"also i've seen scam videos with plenty of fake comments saying that their thing works",
"No. YouTube is a conspiracy-filled shithole and deserves to die.",
"because the big corporation lied!",
"I wanna see tha CX500 build \n👀",
"Is there anything else that could work in place of YouTube? Or a site that really holds up the values of YouTube, and not this PoopTube.",
"They experiment dumbass. They tweak those individual things with their videos and they see what works and what didn't work via the dislike button. It isn't rocket science.",
"And people are upvoting him lol",
"I want to see the dislikes. They are useful.",
"Dude... what do you think the video you're commenting on is?",
"This lol. Always that top comment \"Great video!\" There was a youtuber I was briefly subscribed to that made nothing but \"Make $300 in a day at home\" videos. Literally all of his comments were the same. \"Great video! This works!\"",
"and while we're at it, reddit needs to allow RES to count downvotes again like it was before the advent of bullshit like T\\_D",
"In youtube, the viewer is not the consumer, they are the product. Competition would strengthen the push towards being profitable, which would mean being more corporate friendly in that context.",
"disable subreddit style and you'll be able to downvote.",
"Unfortunately, the YouTube backend API for dislikes is to be removed in the middle of December making this add-on inaccurate. Only people who have the add-on will likely contribute to dislikes from that point onwards. \n\nVery annoying...",
"Removed the youtube app from my phone and dismissed it as a common link on my browser home screen. I wasted way too much time on youtube as-is, and this change is only going to make that worse. Goodbye youtube, you will not be missed.",
"Star rating system was useless. And a like/dislike ratio provides the exact same data.",
"YouTube nearly never recommends small creators anymore.\n\nI used to get some views from related videos. Now it is nearly zero.",
"This is great, but I would not install a browser extension for it. Youtube disabled the dislike button? Well, let me install an attack vector in the most important app on my computer.",
"I disliked the video.",
"A fucking 9 minute video that can be summed up as \"install this userscript.\"",
"Yeah but now nobody can hurt Jimmy Fallon’s feelings",
"Mostly I watch on my phone or tablet app, so that probably wouldn't work unfortunately",
"I mean, websites like YouTube make money off of disinformation. So....",
"Right? in a normie subreddit like this one as well. Strange.\n\nArch btw",
"[Happy to oblige!](https://youtu.be/r5NkyzLPUSY)\n\nI tried to put the whole process in that video...with some exceptions of some videos that got corrupted...even the bits that failed or didn't make it to the final stage.\n\n[Complimentary noise video :D](https://youtu.be/jQDo1-3i2Sc)\n\nI'll be doing another followup soon with some riding footage and discussion of the ignition and carburetors...when I can get around to editing the video and getting the drone footage sortage out.\n\nI'm currently building a [Honda Shadow 750](https://imgur.com/GZDvY9z) that will be featured on the channel...once that]s wrapped up I'm going to doing another CX500, or a GL. I have the GL500 but the frame has a lot of rust damage...I have a CX frame on hand but it's a nice, clean, straight frame and I'm reluctant to cut it up...while the GL frame is already a mess. It will be another feature.",
"There is a chrome extension you can get that will return the dislike count.",
"Both downvoting and commenting are engagement and promotes the video in YouTube's algorithms. If you don't like a video, don't engage with it.",
"Well they have a lot of compute / storage just sat waiting to be used, so the capital in terms of development and staffing rather than compute cost as I'd assume they can charge that at cost internally? Is it known that YouTube loses money though, I'd expect they're killing it on ad revenue?\n\nWe're talking about competing with the video element here not twitch, I just threw that in because it would tackle the only selling point of livestreaming on YouTube which is that it seamlessly creates content which continues to generate revenue even when people aren't live.",
"😂 the funny part was pewdiepie was excluded for a couple years so he made his own and they were actually relevant and funny. I honestly couldn’t recognize maybe more than 2 or 3 people on YouTube’s rewind.",
"morally bankrupt company. my gov in the city where I was born is like this, too. Irretrievably rotted to the core.",
"~~How are you going to dislike a video if it's removed?~~\n\nLol, don't use the addon to do that, you'd just be poisoning the plugin creators data, nothing to do with youtubes data.",
"I disagree. Even with the dislike buttons people were consuming those \"Cooking Hacks\" and \"Life Hacks\" videos by the millions, often with the advice being either dangerous or just completely fake. I think if someone is really interested to know whether the video is worthwhile or not, they have to read the comments, and it has always been this way.",
"Just to put this into context, twitch absolutely used to be a money sink for Amazon. But 2017 to 2020 they doubled their previous ad revenue every year. Twitch is absolutely profitable once ads and subscriptions are taken into account.",
"A lot of video providers groom and delete comments. A lot. I wrote some critical comments of a new record release from a major artist, and my commentary was quickly removed. The remaining groomed/ public video comments read like a list of glorifications and compliments -only.",
"Unpopular opinion, but in about a week I've gone from, \"removing dislikes is stupid and completely corporate\" to \"fuck it, this was the right thing to do.\"\n\nIn theory, yes, dislikes help filter the good from the bad videos.\n\nIn practice, however, it pre-biases and peer pressures viewers to have certain opinions on videos before they even watch.\n\nA big cancer on social media is that we're offloading our ability to have our own legit opinions on content to the herd and to brigades. And it results more and more in a culture of groupthink and vitriol towards those who disagree with the herd. And it's a major mental health burden.\n\nIn about a week's span, I went from subconsciously inspecting likes/dislikes before every video, to just not caring anymore about them and just thinking about the video for myself. It was liberating.\n\nI think YouTube was lying about who they were trying to help. But I don't think it was to help the corporations and politicians and news sites. I think it was because they realized the mental health effect.\n\nFor the people who need dislikes to inspect good tutorials, just read the YouTube comments. The comments will at least have more information on WHAT is missing.\n\nFor every other kind of video, just watch and have your own opinion and disconnect from the herd.\n\nEDIT: Now, before downvoting, please tell me why I'm wrong. Reddit has a similar problem where, while it's not as algorithm driven as YouTube, oftentimes the hivemind determines what is seen and what's not, and oftentimes the hivemind explicitly downvotes completely truthful information pretending it's false.\n\nEDIT2: Y'all are proving my point by downvoting without explanation here.\n\nEDIT3: **Oh for fucks sake, the dislike indicator was NEVER a consistent or accurate indicator of quality. It only worked SOMETIMES, and failed in almost all other scenarios. And in recent years, as brigades and anti-wokism have gotten more prevalent on YouTube, it's gotten even worse. The dislike bar hasn't been a means of publicly voicing dissent for ages either. And it's just been cancerous for people actually having opinions for themselves.**",
"Idk, I really don't think a star rating system is that useful for youtube, since the *vast* majority of people will just give it a 1- or 5-star review anyways, and the average of those will be more or less equivalent to what the like/dislike system would show you anyways.\n\nIf a video has only 4 out of 5 stars, you'd probably still be \"wary\" - similar to how you'd react to a video with a 20% dislike ration.\n\nI remember the uproar when YouTube removed the star rating system but in hindsight I think it was a useful choice since it doesn't really do anything better or different than the like/dislike system.",
"good example.... following that video could damage your PC",
"The answer to your \"who the fuck?\" is \"most people\". Most folks don't use an ad blocker. They either don't know, can't manage, or can't be bothered.",
"Ok now do annotations",
"You can make a point that when you dislike a video with this addon it must POST the data to the API as well. That's their concern. A pretty fucking stupid one imo considering before you were posting that data to google and now an OSS dev lol.\n\nJust checked, its still posting to youtube's official API\n```\nhttps://www.youtube.com/youtubei/v1/like/dislike?key=XXXXXX\n```\n\nBut one day this will need to be switched to the plugin creator's API.",
"Consumers are being beat down at every turn. If it's not YouTube dislike button it's shit wages, if it's not shit wages it's high prices, if it's not high prices it's horrid workplace management.\n\nWe're the bottom and being beaten in",
"Ah I get it now. Getting suckered by YouTube to sit there and watch crap.",
"Exactly. No one is going to seek out anything new any more.",
"They're also quite smart in terms of relaying source quality back to viewers except for affiliates (sometimes) and partners where they make available source and alternate resolutions. So they're smart with their compute which will lower cost, YouTube still reencodes all livestreams on the spot into multiple resolutions, whether a stream is making money or not. It degrades quality and obviously incurs more cost. \n\nI can't speak for revenue but I would expect twitch to be turning a profit by now? Why would they be picked up by Amazon and continue to run without drastic change if they're not a viable business. I don't think Old Jeff is in the business of losing money.",
"So now with dislikes removed all I'd see on some anti-vaxxer or Trump videos (not that I watch them) would be thousands of likes making me think that that's somehow quality content. Pure genius.\n\nEdit: \nInstall this extension in your Chrome/Opera browsers while it works: \nhttps://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi",
"That algorithm is already fucked, there no fixing it. This is about warning people about shit content, which won't happen if everyone just ignore it.",
"Even with the loss of dislikes, you can SORT OF gauge the ratio just by looking at the number of likes. For example, say you see a video with a million views. Typically, on channels I follow that I know do not get downvotes bombed, it's usually around 30-50k upvotes to maybe around 1k downvotes. Fairly positive ratios. If you see a video now that has maybe like a few 1000 likes and has a million or more views, you can tell it's disliked to hell.",
"I just read the page data now. Hidden from most, but now there are less dislikes overall.",
"I believe the main problem is that they operate at a net loss, so any competitor has to overcome that moat. Probably only an another already established large company can pull that off.",
"Seems like that's what they're doing anyways",
"Just use vanced",
"Imagine Amazon removing all negative reviews to protect retailers. Will my university now hide my lowest grades?",
"That’s a fair criticism, but as a serious hobbyist I still use(d) the ratio as a red hot barometer when wading through unhelpful videos.",
"Yep. I've gone to my subs and realized that I have a bunch of new content from channels I regularly watch that were never shown to me.",
"Or even outright scams like people installing malware on their phone to get \"free\" stuff on their phones.",
"They used the \"safe space\" card.",
">How are you going to dislike a video if it's removed?\n\nAren't they just hiding the numbers? I haven't heard them say they would remove the ability to dislike.",
"I endured 3 scam videos yesterday to fix my ipad that make you install malware on your computer. Of course, you can't tell it's a scam until you're 10 minutes through the video.",
"Some people will always disagree with you. I think you might be right in one of the reasons for the change.",
"The stupidest thing is, if you are going to remove dislike button you should also remove the like button because it’s completely useless now! Seeing only likes means literally nothing.",
"I fully came in here with the mindset of \"who really cares?\" but you make a great point. Thanks for your comment.",
"Ehm no? There's still the comment section which tells a lot more than just guessing about the like/dislike ratio. So it also contributes to misinformation and is probably the main reason why YT removed it. Especially in this time of online activism, ppl make anything political. But one look at the comment section and you know what's up. \n\nI don't get the outrage about removing the dislike button, but maybe I missed a solid argument why it's so bad.",
"You are right.",
"It made you give youtube more time, as in you had to watch the video longer to figure out if it was shit.",
"Serious question: why don't people just stop using YouTube? Is Vimeo or whatever similar platform just not usable?",
"really niche tutorials often already have barely enough views/votes to tell the quality. Unfortunately, unless basically every person has \"Return Dislikes on Youtube\" installed, they'll have essentially no data on the very specific tutorials I rely on.",
"As a programmer, most of the videos I see with high dislike ratios are not because the advice is bad, but because the video recording quality is bad. Their voice isn't audible enough, the screen is blurry, etc. All things I could figure out myself from watching it. But if I read the comments, usually the top comment is a guide on how to do it better. Comments have always been a lot more useful to me.",
"Fun fact, on old reddit, you can still downvote and upvote on subreddits that have hidden them on desktop. Just click on your desired comment and upvote with A and Downvote with Z.",
">I'm talking like videos to fix your car. A bad up/down ratio tells me there's something off with a video like this, and I've been robbed of this ability.\n\nYup. And that's why people like \" Scott Kilmer\" end up over shadowing Real good advice on how to tackle the problem on car mechanics.",
"We're gonna have to develop a new system for inferring dislikes based on the ratio between total views and likes, if YouTube doesn't revert its new anti-democratic, criticism-supressing system.",
"Upvoting this for visibility. That addon works.",
"Are you saying you wouldn't know not to do that with no dislike counter?",
"going to watch and [upvote every video advertising this extension](https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=return+youtube+dislike).",
"It would be great if they brought dislikes back, but that’s not going to happen. Just start using a new ratio: likes/views.",
"I was an Avid YTPooper, now I cant tell good Gaston videos from bad...fml having to sort through it all",
"for youtube to do something about this, we need big influencers/celebrities etc to fking call them out",
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"Just press z. I can't check this on my phone, but I'm pretty sure z down votes.",
"YouTube has been taking consistent steps to remove any useful functions or videos from their site for a couple of years now. I’m still dumbfounded you can’t message people anymore. It’s turned into a steaming pile of worthless reaction-video thumbnail’d clickbait and ads.",
"That is completely fair. Most of the dislikes I see (a lot of music stuff is what I’m into) comes from the video being too basic, poorly communicated or meandering.",
"Yes! Sometimes I'll look up a guide to something and if the dislike ratio is too high I skip to another video because some videos are just pure garbage. I don't want to watch a 10 minute video when a 2 or 3 minute one will do the job..\n\n\nRemoving dislikes now encourages people to make lower quality videos, because it will be a lot harder to tell you're about to waste your time. I'm sick of this hand holding culture where no one can be allowed to fail no matter what. If you make a bad video you deserve dislikes. Doesn't mean you can never try again, but learn from it and move one to better ideas",
"The dislike ratio was a quick way for me to know if the video was clickbait or legit. \n\nIt is still visible on brave browser, but that won't last.",
"You know that people will make bad videos and disable it anyway",
"https://odysee.com/ has dislikes",
"That algoritm is fucked anyway, at least it will warn people about a video, like downvote did.",
"But Dislikes hurt peoples feelings tho - said all the lefts running YouTube",
"Honestly, it’s the game google played with search as well. These days google search is a piece of junk.\n\nSwitching to Bing improved my experience on the web. I think google adverts perform better when the search results are bad.",
"Removing dislike counter is the same thing as only showing 5 star reviews only and all the 1 star reviews are now invisible.",
"Except that the creator can still see all the dislikes in their video info page xD hahah",
"They never left for me on my app",
"I've been looking at the amount of views total and comparing it to the likes. If a video has 20k views and 65 likes. Might be wrong information, a bad video with a lot of fluff and pointless stuff. Or the YouTuber might just be a dick. You don't know. But I bet for as many channels as this is supposed to help, there's a portion that it is hurting too and you can't instantly see that ratio and the last thing people want to waste is time guessing like I have been.",
"I think people are now way less inclined to leave a dislike knowing their opinion won't be visible to others.",
"Exactly. **I dont support them hiding the dislike counts**, but holy hell these people that are acting like comments don't exist. They are better for understanding the reason why people like or dislike a post. Yes you can remove comments, but HELLO you've also been able to **manually hide the like/dislike bar for years now**. And it doesnt take long to gather a consensus from looking at the top couple of comments. If you honestly judged the quality of a video **solely** on the like/dislike ratio and didnt check the comments to get context or watch the video to make your own judgement, you're somewhat of a lazybones. People don't **only** click dislike because the post is inaccurate or low quality. It's like those \"did you have fun?\" polls after a game. Most people will say yes if they won, no if they lost. Absolutely meaningless without additional context.",
"This is the worst decision they've ever made. And they've got a lot of runner-ups.",
"Only allow dislikes for tutorial videos",
"Ah I use Sync and it tells me the % upvoted. Never realized this wasn't a normal feature",
"People have been saying that every time Youtube makes a controversial decision. They're too big to fail at this point.",
"Find content creators you like to watch and disregard likes/dislikes/views, especially if you're watching it as filler. IMO it's as much about the creator as it is about the game they're playing. I would have never found some of my favorite channels if I went by the numbers that might've otherwise prevented me from watching.",
"You need more thermal paste.",
"Peertube and LBRY are decent options.",
"Well, even worse it's supporting well-intended incompetence. Imagine someone doing their best to put out a DIY video that just happens to be wildly inaccurate, like how to put out a grease fire. Maybe this person says you should use water, and the video has 50 visible likes but an unseen 5k dislikes. Someone trying to legitimately learn from this could find themselves in an actual dangerous situation in the future, just because the person putting up the video, while well-intended, was misinformed themselves.",
"Why do this? Aren’t creators ALREADY able to show or hide their like-dislike ratio?",
"I am guessing the removing of dislikes had more to due with pressure from Disney and LucasFilm than an effort to protect small content creators.\n\n[https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-oscars-kathleen-kennedy-youtube](https://cosmicbook.news/star-wars-oscars-kathleen-kennedy-youtube)\n\n[https://www.piratesandprincesses.net/star-wars-official-youtube-channel-views-continue-to-plummet-new-videos-massively-downvoted-by-viewers/](https://www.piratesandprincesses.net/star-wars-official-youtube-channel-views-continue-to-plummet-new-videos-massively-downvoted-by-viewers/)",
"Dislikes help other viewers know the quality of the video before they watch more than comments do",
"They even said that [\"half of youtubes mission is to give everyone a voice\"](https://youtu.be/kxOuG8jMIgI?t=54) ..so they removed the dislike button",
"I had to put dislikes back on. It is really important for looking up products or reviews.",
"Never left on my mobile app",
"So in others words, this is poison for new content creators, since this encourages people to stick to known channels.",
"The like/dislike ratio is visible on submissions on new reddit.",
"Except they have apparently already started to push small creators when you look up for something, at least that's what I've been noticing since they removed the dislikes. It's really weird. When I search for my usual specific stuff, I'm well aware of what channels might come up first. But recently, in some cases I've been getting more smaller channels with less views at the top of my results page, with the bigger ones placed 4 or 5 videos below.\n\nTo be honest, I just ignore them and go straight to the known ones. The dislike ratio might have tempted me to explore such smaller channels a bit more, but now I'm completely clueless and I don't feel like wasting my time.",
"When I watch a review of something a lot of downvotes usually means it's a bad review or just somebody just reading out loud what it says on the box, which I can do myself perfectly fine.",
"And made bought likes much more valuable for companies selling bot services.",
"Ironically, and I'ma be hated on, but Reddit isn't terribly better. Sure, once there is even 1 dislike the hive mind goes and dislikes it to tell. But if a post has 20000 votes and 15000 downvotes, you see 5000 votes and think oh hey! neat. When in reality, its the same as on YouTube.",
"Why is it stupid? I'd rather trust Google than a random OSS dev",
"Can't the video owner just remove that comment? I suppose it might be hard with a really popular video that has a lot of comments as they would have to constantly remove comments like that but for smaller ones like tutorials which is one of the big concerns for people with the removal of the dislike number/ratio, it would likely be pretty easy. I think crappy tutorials already remove negative comments pretty often and certainly scammy videos would. Still not a bad idea though, better than nothing like Youtube wants!",
"It's not a true net count. It is filtered through an algorithm were earlier votes are weighted higher. It's why scores are hundreds of times higher than they were back in 2013. It also makes the site more attractive to advertisers because it looks like there are more active users hitting a post.",
"OK, color me curious - what kind of sizzling hot take did you post for *that one video* to get a 25% dislike ratio?",
"I mean, the video creators can still see the dislike count, so they still know if they made a bad video or not.",
"The only we could do something that would do something would be to go somewhere else. No where else has the flood of content YouTube has.",
"Yep. People will give a thumbs up/like a video because it's funny. Not because it's factually correct or helpful.\n\nSource: reddit user where shit gets upvoted because it's funny.",
"I only ever cared about the dislike ratio on educational/tutorial videos. Anything else I just saw it as a source of amusement when a video with COVID-19 info has 35% dislikes despite being accurate or some political video has 95% dislikes because the local political leader is very disliked in general.",
"If they cared about their creators they'd have stopped malicious DMCA strikers or at least stopped them from stealing the revenue while the dispute resolves instead of allowing an entire industry of grifters to develop.",
"I wish there was a video we could watch that went over this. Maybe a video someone involved with this post.",
"\"okay google open up youtube and search how to wouldn't know not to do\" be right with you",
"Today's video is sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends, one of the biggest mobile role-playing games of 2021 and it's totally free...",
"If you're not using adblock in 2p21 then what are you doing with your life?",
"Or, how about instead of giving you a very limited binary Like/Dislike dislike option they gave you the option to rate on a scale from bad through mild to great?\n\nYou could make it simple like 1 to 5 stars as a rating! Now why does that feel familiar?",
"This is what YouTube wants to happen. Just watch. Don’t question anything. Don’t downvote youtube rewind.",
"It's by design.",
"People unironically pour Coke into their engines and toilets and shit. Why the fuck not? Don’t underestimate human stupidity",
"Yeah it's complete bullshit and everyone knows it. It's to protect large corporate YouTube accounts from having their feelings hurt by backlash",
"straight up dislikes with no context don't help the creator make better content",
"When I saw that YouTube completely removed dislike button I knew that reddit is to follow and other websites too so we would enter an era of mediocrity because things can't be rated as bad so nothing can be seen as good. Shame.",
"Because a normal person can't do anything with /u/NovelMaterial disliked this video. A marketing company like google can, to sell to advertisers, which I don't mind either but is the biggest concern one may have with the type of data being sent in the request body.",
"Yeah, but if no one else can see it then some creations will say fuck it and continue to make low quality videos",
"Which is perfect for advertisers.",
"Even when it is entirely factually correct, a negative ratio can indicate that it is poorly presented. It encouraged creators to present guides in a clear way as well as being accurate.",
"Everyone must force smile, force to be positive and force likes :D \n\n The freedom to dislike, to disagree, to have opinions is being taken away it seems",
"Good enough. Sponsorblock relies on community input and it’s very good. I hope they implement dislikes into sponsorblock sometime soon so there’s already that large built in audience",
"I would like that but a valid criticism of it is that anyone who votes towards the middle essentially has their vote invalidated while people who only vote 1 star or 5 star make more of a difference. Like/dislike is basically just forcing everyone to pick either 1 star or 5",
"If they really reduce Youtube to a big page where the algorithm throws content on you to get you to click on it, then we are essentially back in the garbage hellscape of broadcast TV but instead of flipping channels waiting for something good to pop up you'll be refreshing the main page.\n\nOn a positive note this would likely cause an exodus from the site to better alternatives. It's extremely difficult to win against giants like that but it can happen. Unless of course the gatekeepers Apple, Microsoft, Google etc. ban and remove any rising alternative using \"extremism\" as an excuse.",
"Ironically, I’ve seen a uptick in downvotes on my videos published after this change (creators still see the actual dislike count for their own videos in their dashboards). I have a very low dislike percentage in general, usually less than 3%, so the trend jumped out at me. It will be interesting to see if this continues.",
"Removing dislikes has made Youtube UNRELIABLE for gathering information or educational purposes. \n\nThe Dislike button, was a necessary *evil*, in that: it alerted the ***NEXT*** viewer to be critical that there were a sizable demographic that disagreed with the content shared. It was up to you, the viewer, to decide if the downvotes were merited or should be disregarded.\n\nEspecially regarding tutorials or Do-it-yourself vids [like opening up your laptop and installing xyz] seeing TONS of dislikes translated into tread carefully. And ignoring the viewers before you disliking the video meant that following this video might create MORE PROBLEMS than RESOLVING THEM.\n\nAnother example of why there needs to be an alternative to Youtube [and all the other social media monopolies!]. As of now, we are literally a captive audience.",
"All this change does is make it harder for us to weed out videos that contain useless, deceptive or outright harmful information. This is intentional. Youtube wants it that way. It also makes Youtube LESS useful because we can no longer judge the quality of anything on it without having to sit through every single video and most of us don't have that kind of time. Youtube is actually less-useful than PornHub, right now.",
"80% of my channel is cheap micro wind turbine stuff...cheap chinese models, more expensive european and american stuff, homemade stuff, etc. People wanted to see a cheap \"lantern\" type vertical turbine commonly found on eBay so I tried one (advising my viewers that the results would be poor). Results were indeed poor. When contacting the seller about these poor results I was informed that \"it simply needed more wind\".\n\nSo I bolted to the roof of my car, in the area that according to the manufacturer's wind tunnel tests would have the densest air pressure while driving, and took that bad boy up to 75mph. Results were still poor...virtually no power output no matter how the thing is loaded and how fast it's spun.\n\nThe reason that it has nearly 25% dislike ratio is actually a little complicated. First, when it was made, my subscriber base was pretty small and all of them had watched the previous videos. When I titled it \"What happens if you bolt a Chinese/eBay vertical axis \"lantern\" turbine to the roof of your car?!\" it was somewhat already of a joke for the people already aware. It was well liked from those people.\n\nSecond, it is literally the least informative, least useful, and most boring video on my channel. It was made to show the seller that no amount of wind could save it, not to be helpful.\n\nThird, my channel and it's popularity...while certainly not \"wow look a youtube star\" area....has grown a LOT since posting the video and gets a lot search traffic. Because of the click-bait-ish title a lot of people hit it hoping for something that's actually informative and helpful (things the video was never meant to be). They get in and realize pretty early on (50% of viewers are gone by 3 minutes and only 17% of viewers stick the whole thing out) that it's *not a good video* and smash the hate button. It's completely understandable.\n\nI could resolve this issue by either changing the title or removing it altogether...but I don't because the video is currently responsible for over 12% of my subscriber. It gets traffic from numerous search engines and generates a lot of ad revenue. It also gets shared a lot. While it is genuinely not a good video it has been, and continues to be, good for my channel...it also helps discourage people from buying those little \"lantern\" turbines with the impression that they'll work anything like the eBay sellers say they will.",
"Sounds like you need to watch at least three tutorials about the same topic now to figure out which ones are good and which ones are bad. Increasing view time and more ads being served to you. In other words, great for YT.",
"But that's the entire point of the dislikes--it's to save you time from bad content.",
"It's exactly what they want. As a corporation, would you rather your ad being displayed show 50 likes, or 50 likes and 200 dislikes?\n\nYoutube isn't for small creators anymore, and it hasn't been for a long time. Youtube is for the corporations and their ads.",
"I already started doing that literly just downvote everything. Will it change something? Probably not they don't give a fuck about us viewers. All they care about is money",
"There won't be. Running a video site costs a lot. Youtube still loses money.",
"Yup. This change isn't about protecting the average, small-time creator. Companies like Disney don't want it to get around that they've been making a lot of crap movies for the last decade and they don't want a repeat of the \"Ghostbusters 2016\" trailer. \n\nStudios don't care if they make crap, but by disabling voting, they can keep you from knowing it's crap until after they have your money. I'm expecting to see a lot of movie trailers in the future with 400,000 views and only 300 likes. That will be fun.",
"Browser plugins already exist to bring it back. Takes like 30 seconds to find on google",
"It's really stupid. Just educational videos alone there's videos with 6k likes and 4k dislikes because the information is very wrong but people think it's right so they like it. Compared to something with 4k likes and 100 dislikes you know is pretty good.\n\nHeck someone even sent me a fake new Harry Potter fan made trailer today with 40k likes. I'm dmsure it has 60k dislikes but now you just see likes and think it's great.\n\nWhat's from stopping people to just make bullshit videos and run likes ad campaigns on them get 100k likes and profit when they are trash.\n\nWhat a stupid system.",
"I don't use YouTube enough to give a shit one way or the other about this, and I'd be more worried about installing add-ons from unknown coders.",
"youtube went faster downhill in '21 then in '20",
"exactly as intended! Now they can continue to promote established, family-friendly brands and hold those creators hostage to those content-guide policies, because god help them if they try and make new channels",
"I’ve been wondering why Google has gotten progressively worse over about two years. Just horrible now.",
"What can possible go wrong from not seeing dislikes? Oh I don't know maybe someone showing a completly unsafe way to do something that beople blindly like or run likes campaigns on?",
"Content creators immediately called bullshit on that and of course, youtube stayed quiet. We all know they are lying and it was done to protect big companies who keep being downvoted, its insulting they think everyone is dumb enough to fall for it.",
"That's why there is also the comment section? Turns out however the comment section can be edited by the creator so that the bad comments aren't seen by others. They can even set filters of different words so the comment is automatically hidden. The dislike ratio was the only thing the creator couldn't change or edit and it would give you a good feeling on the quality of the video. \n\nNow ofc they could completely disable the like/dislike but doing that is an other automatic red flag for new viewers",
"It's inefficient and aids in misinformation. Even if the content is good but the quality is bad, there's going to be at least a dozen others to choose from that probably deserve the view instead. I get your point, but Google's decision is turning this into a significant problem for the very reason they're doing it. They're trying to influence what the masses of people view. They don't want them to avoid videos with massive dislikes. In most cases as it refers to government and corporate content, the dislikes are not because of quality so the point of this being a significant problem as it relates to misinformation still stands and is not related to poor video or sound.",
"What's everyone talking about? The dislike button is still sitting right there where it's always been.",
"I think people should stop repeating this \"fact\" that Youtube operate at a loss. There are no credible sources for that, especially in recent years. As far as I'm aware Alphabet don't share their profit/loss numbers. What we do have however, is revenue, and Youtube alone in 2020 had a revenue of over 19 billion USD. Now I'm sure Youtube is a costly operation, but I find it very hard to believe they don't make a tasty profit on that.",
"Plus, doesn't it just *look* dumb? I'm staring at a video, I can see a number next to the likes, but nothing next to the dislikes. It looks so absurd. It's obviously some half-baked ill-conceived emergency measure for something just by the look of it. It doesn't fit the UI, it doesn't fit the format of everything down there. A website that would only show likes and not dislikes I imagine would have a drastically different layout to what we have. It looks dumb.",
"What happens when I’m looking up first aid videos and can’t figure out which one shows proper procedure",
"I cant watch the vid right now, but I sure as hell opened and upvoted anyways",
"from now on i'll be disliking every video i watch, fuck youtube",
"Judging by the performance difference between ad and content, I think you're definitely right",
"Yeah. I’d be more hesitant to explore new content now. What a 🍆 move",
"The downvotes won't have anywhere near the same level of participation as they do now. SponsorBlock needs a single person to tag the right times, for upvote/downvote to work sensible you'd need it available for most viewers",
"Isn't the power still at YouTube though? Couldn't they just tell all adverts with these types of requests to fuck off then? I don't see how what I assume is the largest ad-enabled video service has no weight to throw around. Yeah they'd miss a few months of income, but I feel like taking a firm \"user-friendly\" stance would just grow the platform. At the very least better than the current shit show is",
"Whenever you wanna pass something unpopular you just claim it's to \"Protect the Children, you're not a child abuser are you?\" Politicians do this shit all the time, it's a time tested tactic they use to do whatever they want and gaslight you if you're against it, they don't give a fuck about children it's about control.",
"Obviously for spamming",
"5 seconds in the comments and you would know that video was terrible.",
"Oh that's cute you think Google cares!",
"Youtube needs competition.",
"Disclaimer: not justifying the dislike button removal.\n\nHowever, this argument still holds because it was not to protect creators feelings. The reason the creator sees the count is because it helps to prevent dislike brigading, giving the creator a more genuine ratio.",
"I'm starting to see Youtube creators mirroring their content on Odysee, right now. And Odysee has dislikes.",
"Everyone but our audience.",
"The YouTube rewind 2018 video was a perfect example in the video, the moment he refreshes and you see the dislikes you can feel the natural instinct in you shout \"That's a low quality or irrelevant piece of content\". Before that, you're definitely more likely to watch it, and for all this allows you to decide for yourself, that is valuable time (likely) wasted, as for the most part I find the dislikes are overall an accurate representation of whether content is worthwhile or not.",
"While YouTubes rewind certainly sucked, I feel like the fact you (and I) don't know many of the people in it speaks to how big YouTube has become, and how many separate communities exist within it. I'm not sure YouTube just chose the wrong people to be in it, but rather no single viewer can possibly care about all of the big creators. Unfortunately this results in every viewer only recognizing a small segment of the video, making it suck.",
"[Link to the GitHub of the extension.](https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike)\n\n[Link to the Firefox extension.](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-youtube-dislikes/)\n\n[Link to the Chrome extension.](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)",
"I mean, you still can, it's just a bit harder to find good content. Programming tutorials on YouTube have always been a shit show.\n\nBut you're right, the problem is that the people who deserve more exposure because they put time and effort into their videos will be harder to find.",
">I think YouTube was lying about who they were trying to help. But I don't think it was to help the corporations and politicians and news sites. I think it was because they realized the mental health effect.\n\nLol you're actually brain dead if you think youtube give half a fuck about peoples mental health. Youtube and every single social media is designed to keep you engaged and coming back for more in every single way possible. They even use tactics that casinos use to play with your subconscious. Why do you think the feed on social media's aren't in chronological order anymore? So that you can \"refresh\" \"spin\" the news feed and see what else you get maybe this time you'll get qn interesting post! That's just one simple example. These big tech corporations don't give a single fuck about you and they never did. All they want is to keep you engaged as long as possible so you consume more and more and more.\n\nIn fact every single one of these social media have ruined the mental health of millions and millions of people. Everyone has a much shorter attention span because of them. We are being conditioned by these applications.\n\nSee now you have to watch the whole video before knowing if it's good or bad = more view time for youtube = more advertisements = more money.\n\nOh and reading the comments? Well that can be edited by the creator hiding the bad comments they can even set filter in the comments section for specific words. Scamers are gonna have a field day now",
"Jeebus yes. I watch all sorts of \"how to\" videos and no matter the views, if it has like a 50% dislike ratio I know it's a waste of my time. All this does is make me watch all the way through the damn video, only to realize \"well that sucks and is of no use\"...but of course, that's what they want. Gotta get that ad money somehow!\n\nOf course, jokes on them because I haven't seen an ad in years thanks to UBlock and Brave browser for my Android. If I had to watch the ads that I see others dealing with, I simply wouldn't use YouTube (I quit watching TV for this reason).",
"So we'd rather google have the monopoly on user created video content? I get you're pointing specifically at Amazon, the only issue is no other organisation could hold a candle to what YouTube is offering for any period of time. They would have to pay for Compute/Storage, whereas Amazon could get it at cost.. maybe Microsoft could but they already bungled Mixer. \n\nI feel like that's inevitable, being at the top of these industries takes exploiting humans at some point, that's how you get filthy rich. Cheap labour in China, India and the like.. can you name an ethical business with the capital to serve hundreds of millions of people video... for a week?",
"I wanted to check a video on how to install mods to a game, and it had a sketchy link in the description. I had no way to see if it was legit or not, as they can delete negative comments. If I see ~130 likes with no way to know the dislike ratio and only positive comments no way am I gonna trust anything they say. Even if it was legit.",
"I agree. Just don’t know what avenue we have to try to implement change. Just letting creators know in a negative way so maybe YouTube does decide to protect their money makers",
"Yesterday I was looking up videos on headlight restoration. I had no idea if the video I was watching was good information without the dislike bar.\n\nSo instead I had to do something gross. I had to read the comments.\n\nYouTube making a decision that pushes people to read the comments is a monumentally bad idea. Do they not know how awful the comments on their site are?",
"Twitter needs a dislike button",
"Most news is downvoted based on people not liking the channels, nothing more. You look at any news broadcast, any, and it's ratio is bad. Anything. News says vaccines are coming out soon - downvoted. People don't avoid videos with massive dislikes, if anything there's a large population who only watched these videos to dislike them.",
"Why must we move backwards.",
"And just this morning I saw a video that appeared to have 0 dislikes. I was surprised by that, thinking I don't ever remember seeing a video with no dislikes. Then I see this video and it all makes sense.",
"Honestly, I'm more interested in my children killing themselves from food hacks than damaging my computers.",
"Yep \n\nIve noticeably gone to it less for recipes and such. \n\nRecipe articles might have a novel before the recipe but the ratings for it are right there.",
"https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com\n\nLink for a plug-in to get the dislike bar back",
"Dude, same with the \"Manifest your dream life in 24hrs\" videos. There's one lady I despise she seriously gets a million views every upload and you won't find a SINGLE negative comment!",
"pls be ironic pls be ironic pls be ironic",
"Which, by the way, you have to pay separate from YouTube Premium!",
"Or the OP gets harassed because the poster is a girl, I've seen both.",
"The verge PC build would be #1",
"I want to take this opportunity to renew a call for PornHub to create a completely separate family friendly site to compete with YouTube.\n\nThere are only a few companies that stand a chance against Google in terms of infrastructure, resources, financial backing and exposure. \n\nPornHub already has a prolific user-driven video hosting system complete with all the user elements and likely many of the creator elements that people want. Categorization, playlists, up/down voting, content creator profiles, follow/subscribe, etc... . They already have a way to accept payments and distribute them to their partners and creators - both on a subscription basis and one-off purchases. They have a massive user base, although that wouldn't necessarily transfer to a family friendly site. I suspect that they must have some relatively good analytics within the platform and available to creators much like Google / YouTube.\n\nSeriously, they only need to rebrand the front end and create family friendly TOS. Over-simplifying of course, but it would be far easier for them than most other platforms out there.",
"Maybe, but Reddit is not the educational wonderland that YouTube is for some people. Needing to know the correct video to watch to wire up an electric panel so you don’t burn down a house is way different than whether you see a like or not on most post on Reddit. I like Reddit and do get a lot of useful info from Reddit, but it is more for one on one comments that you can downvote",
"Hilariously enough, in YouTube's backend, a like is saved as 5 stars, but a dislike is saved as 1 star.",
"I guess there has got to be a better way then.",
"This is how YT comments have been forever. There's an up and a down and a number for up, but no number for down (or net number like on reddit). It was already dumb for comments and now it's really dumb for videos, but they don't care.",
"The beautiful thing about publicly displaying the likes/dislikes is that it allows the user to gauge immediately *at a glance* the general relevance and value that the video has. I just bought my first house this year and DIY fix-it videos have been as important to this process as anything else, and the ratio allowed me to know immediately whether or not videos that can be 10+ minutes long are worth my time or if I need to skip it and move on to the next one. With that feature being gone I've already come into issues that have me reconsidering using youtube altogether.",
"And now they are making dislikes *only* visible to the creator. It's the worst of both worlds.",
"Does this count as YouTube drama?",
"There are channels I forgot I was subscribed to because YouTube stopped suggesting them to me on the home page and side bar. I've started going to my subscriptions tab much more frequently now to find those creators.\n\nI subscribed for a reason Google!",
"> Maybe if consumers actually stood up for themselves and stopped blindly consuming\n\nI mean, what do you suggest? Send a sternly worded letter to Google, arguably the most powerful company on the planet short of Amazon and Apple? They don't particularly give a shit about us. They know we'll keep using it because Google has spent billions upon billions ensuring competitors can't achieve what they have.",
"\"If you Dislike this video, Like this comment\"",
"We desperately need a competitor to YouTube, Google and Microsoft.",
"They seem to be pushing the change out in phases. I was able to see them yesterday, but they are gone today.",
"This will show an accurate count until December 13th, and after that will make up a number:\n\n> With the removal of dislike stats from the YouTube API, our backend will switch to using a combination of scraped dislike stats, estimates extrapolated from extension user data and estimates based on view\\like ratios.",
"r/nocontext",
"YouTube is getting progressively worse and worse as the years go on. So sad because it used to be an amazing platform.",
"Yes they said they hadn't actually heard of this being a problem before, but that it's a big problem.",
"Yeah, that's straight up stupid..",
"The button is there. The *number* of downvotes and the upvote/downvote ratio is unknown.",
"Nerds",
"I do use Arch",
"My strategy was that we all agree to a \"if the creator doesn't make a 'dislike' comment, they are sketchy. If we know they deleted a 'dislike' comment in their stead, they are malicious\" principle.",
"I think that would necessitate a third party solution. Someone would find a way to create a chronologically organized list of uploads from your subscribed channels. Google / YouTube has an API that would make this relatively easy to do. I suspect their TOS would prevent it in some way though.\n\nAlternatively, everyone just starts following their favorite creators on Twitter and watching Twitter feeds for new video uploads.",
"Unfortunately, the talking heads at YT know that this will negatively affect discovery, but that's just a side effect to them, and one they don't even consider to be bad. New content creators are risky; established ones less so. Driving more traffic to the channels that YT (and more importantly, advertisers) trust generally means more money for everyone involved, at the expense of a static platform. \n\nBut, as we're all aware, the reason the dislike display is gone has very little to do with any of this.",
">Why do you think the feed on social media's aren't in chronological order anymore? So that you can \"refresh\" \"spin\" the news feed and see what else you get maybe this time you'll get qn interesting post! That's just one simple example. These big tech corporations don't give a single fuck about you and they never did.\n\nNot all social media corporations are created equal.\n\nYouTube is bad but Facebook and Twitter are unequivocally worse.\n\nYouTube also cares about profits but Dislikes weren't being factored into trending algorithms anyway.\n\n>See now you have to watch the whole video before knowing if it's good or bad = more view time for youtube = more advertisements = more money.\n\nProbably. But at least we cut out a major aspect of groupthink reliance from them too.\n\n>Well that can be edited by the creator hiding the bad comments they can even set filter in the comments section for specific words. Scamers are gonna have a field day now\n\nProbably but a lot of these were already hiding Like/Dislike bars. Plus a lot of genuinely good tutorials were getting brigaded already as well.\n\nDislikes weren't doing nearly as much to that benefit as you make them out to be.",
"Typical liberal bullshit. Next you won't be able to dislike someone in real life. It will be illegal. Like that black mirror episode where everyone gets a rating be used on how good the interaction was.",
"I actually really hate shorts, but everyone is making them because of this. I feel like I between a rock and a hard place: I don't want to watch shorts because I'm a fan of longer-form content and I don't support YT's shitty practices, but I also don't want my favorite small- to -medium-sized creators to fail by not engaging where YT wants me to.",
"Luckily, we can visibly downvote inaccurate comments on Reddit so other people are not similarly misinformed",
"Ah, got it now. Thanks!",
"I actually use pop_os for work but I do have a laptop with arch installed.\n\nYes, telling people you use arch is meant to be ironic lol.",
"[Actually it was deflated historically and they reworked it so it deflates upvotes less.\n](https://www.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/5gvd6b/scores_on_posts_are_about_to_start_going_up/)",
"The \"how to build a pc by the verge\" video popped in my mind and i hope someone won't get their pc blown just because of the dislike button disappearing",
"You spelled profits and capitalists wrong.",
"You keep spelling corporate wrong.",
"The point is, it's not a true net count. It's yet another social media algorithm.",
"Their logic is - in testing people seem to use dislike button much less if a dislike count was hidden. As in, it defers the herd instinct of mass disliking the video. That might be true in some cases, but more importantly - people will use dislike button less if it appears to be an empty gesture..\n\nMy dislikes disappeared last week, and I just stopped using them completely - both likes and dislikes. It's just pointless now.",
"He's been seeing a lot of growth lately.",
"You don't have to watch in video ads anymore, download sponserblock.",
"Then they deserve to watch ads.",
"How does it prevent brigading? Brigades are organized. So it shouldn't matter if the participants can see the count, as long as they know their buddies are doing the same thing, the count on the creator side will be inflated the same whether the brigade can see it or not.",
"yeah, but it won't stop \"dislike raids\". you don't need to see the count for those.\n\nImo a simple ratio of likes to dislikes would be great. But they don't want you to be able to figure out a video is bad before watching it.",
"Who cares",
"We’re going back to the views/like ratio now.",
"People will get used to not having dislikes soon enough",
"I got an extension to return them right away.\n\nAbsolutely ridiculous they were ever removed.",
"Subarus reveal of the new WRX...",
"Same for PC tutorials/troubleshooting, YouTube was a great visual step-by-step resource - now trying to filter the good from the bad is going to be alot harder and have to rely on hopefully there being comments",
"Except for SponsorBlock and this dislike add-on will not show the full weight correctly. \n\nSponsorBlock works similar to torrenting doesn't require a high amount of seeders (submitters in this case) to work, wherewith the dislike add-on you would need a correct like:dislike ratio to show its like weight.\n\nI'm not sure if I explained that correct, but for example, if a video has like 1 million views, 200k likes but only 50 dislikes via the add-on the weight would all be fucked up. I guess you'd have to also only accept likes via the add-on to make weighting fair. I'm not sure the solution here, but I don't think it's comparable to SponsorBlock.",
"By warning people about shit content this way, you are promoting that content, ensuring that more people see it.",
"Was that the mobile game? I remember disliking that one, not because I really cared, mostly I thought the whole thing was funny.",
"True, but It is important to point out it has gotten more accurate not less like your post says.",
"Here's why youtube did this:\n\nThere were a bunch of corporate pandering videos and unpopular government channels pushing crap. The youtube comments and the like/dislike ratio is what gives us content consumers to identify bullshit and call them out on it.\n\nOf course the big companies couldn't have that. Allowing their own consumers to make them look bad? That can cause damage to the company reputation! So the advertisers pressured youtube to rob us of our ability to spot bullshit. Youtube, terrified of losing ad revenue, was more than happy to grant them their wish.",
"Just get rid of all likes completely at this point lol. It's OBVIOUSLY some sort of whitewashing or censorship.",
"If you think it has anything to do with harassment and not everything to do with making the platform more ad friendly, you're crazy.\n\nAdvertisers dont want to pay to have their ads on videos with a shitload of dislikes.\n\nYoutube hasn't made a single change to their platform to benefit the user or the content creators in years. Their updates are solely for the benefit of, or to entice, advertisers.",
"Adblock at home, YouTube vanced on mobile. I never see ads.",
"So I watched the video and I have one question: \n\nIs it installed on to your account and then it works across all platforms or do you need to install the extension on each device? If so how would you install this on your iPhone?",
"I remember way back ~~before YT got bought by Google,~~ where they actually showed the like/dislike counter colors for the comments. Green was for the like, and Red was for the dislike. Then they removed the dislike counter on the comments, changed the color for the like counter to blue and the dislike to gray on the video to make the dislikes less obvious. Then they changed it all to colorless with the dislike counter not showing any color or any bar if you were on mobile.\n\nNow they decided to get rid of the dislike counter completely for the video, and just frustrates me how obvious YT has really devolved into not showing any sort of dislikes. Here's hoping some other platform will rise and compete for YT, because this was honestly the last straw for many. It's a terrible excuse for many who already have trouble dealing with trolls and poor content.\n\nEdit: I realized Google had already bought YT long before they had implemented the old like/dislike system, apologies.",
"Liberal? You are very mistaken if you think youtube removing dislikes has anything to do with any type of liberal \"let's make this a safe space for our users\" agenda.\n\nYoutube gets updated solely for the benefit of advertisers. Advertisers dont want to run ads on videos with a shitload of dislikes since they're being associated with negative content. Hide the negativity and advertisers are happier.\n\nThat it can be spun as a happy friendly \"no negativity for our users\" image is just a nice bonus, but every other update, regardless of viewer and content creator negative opinions, has been for the goal of appealing to advertisers.\n\nRemember that youtube's money doesn't come out of the pockets of the viewers or the content creators. It comes from the advertisers. Every update to their site and algorithm is solely to make viewers watch ads as long as possible and click on as many as possible.",
"Not anymore, check Alphabet and Google financial disclosures. They release them quarterly.",
"I use it for the exact same reason. It's a huge loss. The ratio is everything.",
"Thanks to YouTube I:\n\n* Learned how to play the guitar\n* Learned how to do basic programming in python\n* Became more proficient at various scripting languages\n* Learned a wide range of home maintenance and improvement\n* Became decently proficient at Linux systems\n* Learned how to sow\n* Learned how to cook\n\nAll of that's fucked now.",
"Yeah, that's true, but for new videos it's kind of a shit solution. I just wish YouTube would revert the change...",
"But reddit doesn’t show dislikes on post either",
"There’s a lot of content on YouTube with multi-million views but only a few tens of thousands of likes. Some of Steve1989MREInfo’s videos have 1.4m views but only 52k likes. That’s a ratio of … 3.17%. Pretty much useless for figuring out the video’s quality.\n\n\nSome bigger YouTube channels have shown their analytics publicly, and it shows that for a lot of channels **half** of their viewers aren’t subscribed to the channel.\n\n\nThere’s a reason YouTubers routinely ask people to like and subscribe.",
"ad impression's are sold on auction ... so, no",
"Not even remotely similar. Just because someone else is \"less liked\" doesn't mean their content is bad or lower in quality. If all you ever do is only watch the most popular content creator for entertainment, you're robbing yourself of tons of other entertaining people. It's nowhere near a similar comparison to quality of the content of a tutorial video.",
"To further improve on this addon, it may already work that way, is to collect the likes as well as the dislikes to have a correct ratio to rely upon. \nThis would offer a correct like/dislike ratio because the dislikes collected from the addon would only relate to the likes collected from the same addon and not Youtubes total like number.",
"Why not just give the option to enable or disable likes to the creator? That way I can just not watch anything without likes or dislikes",
"It's so dumb that they removed dislikes to appease their corporate overloads. Isn't eliminating dislikes going to make people take a more Twitter-like approach when it comes to disliking, and people are going to start to ratio videos they don't like, especially ads and political videos? To me, this looks like a way to propagate more hate in the comments.",
"It tends to happen when the previous year is just paving the way to make it easier. Just wait to see how far it goes in 22",
"Which is also bs since the creators can still see those dislikes, so they're still hurt by them.",
"I noticed the dislike because I had the extension.",
"Depends what origin you are comparing it to. The post you linked is only 5 years ago. I've been on reddit twice that long. They've changed how comment karma works at least half a dozen times.",
"I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed the quality of Google's search algorithm has gone down so much in recent years.\n\nLike, I search for one particular highlight in a sports game from way back when, but instead I have to sift through pages and pages of completely unrelated articles that all have the same title and all say the same thing.",
"I'll get right on that.",
"I made sure to give YouTube a 1 star review on the Apple store. Fuck em.",
"I really wish there was a way for a decent competitor (I guess like Dailymotion, although they don't have up/downvotes at all) to actually compete and get real content. Would be great if more creators multi-posted to a bunch of different platforms.",
"Yup. The infamous \"is this an out of season April Fool's joke?\"",
"I'm pretty sure the entire reason youtube removed dislikes was because companies like this were angry about being \"bullied\" by people showing displeasure to their crappy products.",
"Go and get me the Youtube figures then, which is what we're talking about here, and I'll gladly eat my words.",
"LOL",
"Hiding dislike/like was an automatic red flag and you knew something was up with the video.\n\nNo nobody was brigading tutorial videos lol",
"Let's get rid of 1-4 star reviews from Amazon while were at it.",
"> allowed\n\nAs if it’s not what they intended in the first place",
"It is not *the* reason, but it's certainly *one* of the reasons.",
"If that was truly the case, why not just disable dislikes on small creator videos? \n\nBut leave them up on anything not 'small' (e.g. 10k or 100k subs/views/whatever).",
"Based on this sentence and the fact that you wouldn't know not to wash your dishes with motor oil I'm gonna take a guess - a stab in the dark, here, totally just a guess - and say your problems are bigger than the YouTube dislike ratio.\n\nThat also applies to everyone who feels the same way you do.",
"ngl im no conspiracy theorist or anything like that but i still found it veeery interesting that youtube removed dislikes after like a week of the new nintendo online subscription being dislike bombed so bad that they actually had to reconsider it",
"Hmm. I suppose a better term would have been \"bandwagoning\".\n\nMy apologies.",
"yeah if you get a 25% dislike ratio on your video you are doing something wrong.",
"That survey invitation at the top must feel like a slap in the face. As if they didn't show time and time again that they don't care about anyone that doesn't pay for ads.",
">No nobody was brigading tutorial videos lol\n\nThis is just plain false. Even in my own use of them, I've found countless super valuable ones that just have loads of dislikes for no reason.\n\nThere are also definitely small content creators of women in tech, LGBT inclusion, any reference to any social issue even if completely not in-your-face (not talking about Gillette's of course), and plenty of others that you'll see major downvote brigades on for no reason, and you read the comments and you just wanna give up on the internet.\n\nMeanwhile 5 Minute Crafts is out there making piece of shit tutorials multiple times a day with no significant dislike ratios.\n\nEDIT: OK remember how I was talking about hiveminds and brigades targeting even truthful stuff? This is such an obvious example.\n\n**You have to be completely blind to not have noticed brigading tutorial videos and those of certain marginalized groups.** Like, it's clear as day. Tutorials have never been consistently ratio'd accurately. Pretending they have been is just asinine.",
"But YouTube channels can disable that anyways. If they really didn't want to be bullied, they could just turn that off, couldn't they?",
"That's a real issue. They don't hear about the people who got real use from those buttons, they heard a lot about the ways likes/dislikes are used to bully.",
"hell yeah.\n\nfuck youtube and their / our corporate overlords who are trying to hide any possible form of criticism of their bullshit name and image. the claim (lie) that it's supposed to prevent harassment for the little guy is also just complete bullshit. no one **has** to like anything you create and consumers have the right to know if anything is worth consuming. you'd be pretty fucking pissed if amazon hid negative reviews and star ratings and then you kept buying shitty products because it would be bad for the companies that sell through them. how is it any different for youtube? why should anyone have to watch a video that's objectively wrong or just fucking sucks? if a video sucks we all have the right to know.",
"There'll be less data, but honestly it wouldn't be difficult for the extension to still return mostly accurate information. Just record likes and dislikes by people with the extension then you have the approximate dislike-to-like ratio and can multiply that by the actual number of likes to get a very good approximation of the number of dislikes.",
"YouTube did that, didn't it?\n\nThen said fuck it, take it away from everyone.",
"Neh , they're not doing that , they want to have the content creators to feels just as good as they can",
"That's just humiliation kink.",
"Doesn't matter where you fall factually, objectively, politically; this was a terrible move. YT and any site limiting the ability for reviewers not to give a negative opinion is setting people up to fail even harder. Competition is extremely important towards producing the best result. If you take that away, motivation and innovation will crumble.",
"Currently you have no clue at all about the quality of a video. Because number of likes doesn't say anything.\n\nA video can have 23k likes. \nAnother has 48 likes.\n\nBut you can't tell anything from those numbers. Perhaps relative to the number of views, but even then it's just guessing.",
"Unfortunately people will not bother to dislike videos as often as before.",
"Now that I think about it, I imagine I only watch 3 or 4 channels that might be big enough to get mentioned... Smarter every day, numberphile, gcp grey, and LPL.",
"You kids are doing a really good job of screaming shouting and holding your breaths but youtube has done the research, and we won't be getting ice cream before dinner no matter how much we kick and scream about how unfair it is.",
"This will be fixed. Funny though as YouTube’s patch was obviously just a bit of a rush job",
"How many bottles?",
"I find Google search to be very very good if your search string isn't something that can be easily gamified by their algorithms, such as error messages, or something ultra specific. \n\nOther than that, Bing has a much better 'general' search because it's not trying to force an agenda on your search, but it's specific search falls behind Google.",
"They didn't include the biggest memes of the year. Added to that, Iirc they basically said, \"Fortnite and content for kids and teenagers represents everyone!\". At the very least, that's the impression I got lol. They made the same mistake Blizzard made when announcing Diablo mobile; utter ignorance of their audience. \n\nThe only part they kinda got right is the primitive technology thing at the end.",
"Now the only thing you can do is look how many views it has.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nSo in response to this I'm now boycotting the like button.",
"I found out there’s a chrome extension that brings back dislikes, it’s worked flawlessly so far",
"I'm sure the group they're most worried about are the businesses who pay for advertising.",
"Don't worry they'll eventually remove comments too 😂😂",
"The disinformation thing is just a red herring. Neither Youtube nor any other tech firm actually cares about disinformation. For them its binary, there is information that suits them and information that does not. They like the former and suppress the latter. Both categories include facts, opinions and outright propaganda and disinformation. \n\nEvery organization has an agenda and everyone has bias. No group wants to get rid of disinformation because even if their position is factually right, their platform can be enhanced by some extra propaganda on top.",
"MENTAL OUTLAW AT THE TOP OF /R/VIDEOS??\n\nGoddamn",
"It's because they went from the old text based search to an AI assisted search that tries to guess what you want based on yours and others previous clicks. If your search term has many meanings and what you want is not the popular one, you are shit out of luck. Bing is just much better now for searching for technical info like programming-",
"They don't have a like counter for ads",
"Sorry, but I don't watch random videos on my feed on my phone using data, the comments were all I had and when I got here the comments were sparse. Also, the title of the party didn't imply it. Have a good one!",
"I love how on some videos now the top comment is \"USE ME AS A DISLIKE BUTTON\"\n\nLol, these corporations, the president, crappy MSM news stories can't hide from the dislikes no matter how bad their feelings are hurt",
"Method A: works best\n\nMethod B: less reliable, and takes 20x longer than Method A.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nYou: \"*Why not just use Method B ???*\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI cannot believe there are people like you honestly sharing such a stupid take. It requires maybe 5 seconds of critical thinking to immediately dismiss \"just look at the comments\" as a viable workaround. I refuse to believe you're not a bot, or someone employed by Google/YouTube.",
"Since when has the opinion of other youtube viewers ever been a mark of quality? I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here reading all the other comments about how the like/dislike ratio is in any way important. I feel like I never look at the likes or dislikes.\n\nHell, we all know the comments section of youtube videos is a dumpster fire. Why would something that takes *way* less effort on the part of the viewer be considered more helpful somehow? Just think about the comment sections of slightly \"controversial\" videos like Veritasium's traveling faster than the wind video, or that one about how it's dumb to use shipping containers for homes. The content in those videos are fairly objective, yet people still leave negative comments. And clicking the dislike button is way easier than even leaving a pithy comment.\n\nI watch woodworking videos even though I don't do any woodworking. But people are apparently *very* opinionated about how certain tools work, or should work or the best way to do something. If a content creator makes a video even slightly negative towards a tool or technique (even if couched in stuff like, \"this thing has it's place, but for 90% of my work, this other thing is more convenient/faster/easier/safer/whatever for me\"), viewers will take huge issue with it. I don't trust the dislikes on videos like that, so why would I trust them on other home improvement videos that I might actually use?\n\nWhen I'm looking for an actually useful video, if there's any doubt in my mind about the usefulness of a video after watching for a few seconds my approach has always been to look at:\n\n * the total views of the videos\n * the number of subscribers of the channels\n * how many other videos the channel has\n * the description and pinned comment from the creator\n * the general tone in the comments and any replies from the creator\n\nIf I'm looking for a DIY video because I just want to find the \"best\" way to do something quick, I might use the above approach with the top 2-3 results for my search. I also tend to peace out of a video if they don't seem to be getting right to it within the first 30 seconds of the video.",
"I canceled premium because of the dislike removal. They removed a big feature that I used. Now I just watch less.",
"Comments are largely ignored.",
"Omg haha that was the best video response ever. But 1000% true how the dislike button was important. YouTube is losing it and are sellouts",
" \nI use the power glove. It's so bad.",
"Seriously, fuck YouTube for doing this. Greedy and spineless",
"I legitimately think this is to protect news channels. IDK why, but if you go to the comments of a CNN, NBC, etc. news video, the comments are always filled with alt-right shit for some reason. I'm guessing YouTube *really* doesn't like that.",
">I will keep spamming you with my dupe accounts because numbers always win. I will prove myself to the community.\n\nProve to who? I post on here for me, not the masses. See you think you have to prove yourself to people. That makes you weak.",
"If there was no dislike button back then, everyone would be calling zip ties \"tweezers\" lol\n\n\"A hexacore CPU...yep! WE GOT ONE!\"",
"Do you mean sew? Or you learned about planting seeds?",
"Just write dislike in the comments.",
"There is shadowbanning on Youtube?\n\nAll I got was automated comment removal for sharing my take on the effectiveness of Pearl Harbor on a video specifically discussing the topic. (And I do mean automated, it was gone in seconds every time)",
"I don't think that is true at all",
"Youtube routinely release updates to their platform which is making it worse. Has been for years and years. Instead of trying to save YT by using add ons, better to just make sure you never ever watch an add on their platform and dont use their app (use vance instead). Let it die ASAP, so someone with a vision or just someone who tries to make a good product can take over the market. \n\nLET IT DIE.",
"I've been using that return youtube dislikes extension for a couple of weeks now. My chrome browser wasn't showing dislikes, but my safari browser was. So I got to see first hand that the numbers weren't adding up. There didn't seem to be any correlation to the actual dislikes either. So hopefully it gets better.",
"I feel like they should have made it so that the creator gets to decide if the dislikes appear or not, since the whole point was that creator's mental health is important\n\nwhat a crock of shit",
"On smart tvs the amount of ads is fucked beyond belief. They are not short either, I get 50 minute webinars as ads sometimes.",
"How are these guys supporting this project? Are they selling the users data that they gather from videos users watch? I'm not being accusatory, I'm just curious. This obviously costs money to run.",
"Google won't fix a paid service for shit, but you can bet your ass they'll be all over this to quash the dislike count. Can't have people seeing how shitty things really are.",
"I realized this yesterday when i saw “video of Chris cornel 45 minutes before his death” on the home page I clicked on it thinking it’s BS then went to glance at the dislikes for all the people who did their homework and boom. Gone.. no idea if that video was legit or not. No idea how many people disagreed with the video. This makes it so much easier to spread misinformation. I have no idea what they are thinking.",
"Very true, good point",
"How long until Google takes this off the Google store because it's \"bullying\" or some other nonsense. Remember when they took down decenter? Whatever. I am happy with it for now. I do wonder do they also take information from users? Like if you have this app and you click dislike does the app know this and record it? Because that would be good for when Youtube completely shuts down the dislike counter. I love this add on and use it every day.\n\nOh, and there should be a website that lists who has and has not shared the data with the dislike add-on. It would be cool if pewdiepie did it and made a whole video about it. That would help a lot.",
"Actual sowing of seeds and horticulture.",
"And government, the white house has comments turned off. Super transparent and open.",
"We should all do this. Watch them completely disable comments though after this",
"Just watch Owney Plays!",
"All that is absolutely not gone lmao what is with you people.",
"Is it really gone, or will it just be harder to sort the good from the bad?",
"I don't see the reason to remove dislike ratio platform-wide, why not just remove the dislike ratio on corpo vids and \"influencer\" vids.. This whole thing is really uncanny...",
"Pretty sure. If I'm signed in as the user who made the comment I can see the comment, if signed in with a different account its gone. Verified this with two other accounts. Comments stayed up and were visible by everyone for a day or two before suddenly only being visible to account that posted it.",
"Wow, I never even thought about that but damn, that's true, ugh. I really hope someone else comes along and replaces YouTube. They have fucked enough content creators over the years.",
"I've seen so many damn posts about this.\n\nIf you wanna force some change, gotta stop using YouTube. Gotta hit em in their Google Wallets.\n\nIf you're just gonna whine about it for a few weeks, and then go back to using it like the little bitches you are, then might as well just suck it up and move on",
"Spotify seems to be slowly making its way",
"No no no. It is YOU disliking the 13 year olds' videos and caused THEIR mental health issues.",
"When an ad video auto plays before something there's no thumbs up/down but if you go to the video itself then there is. https://youtu.be/31tR6iTAIg8",
"So... how will you downvoting my video have any impact on YouTube itself?",
"Spotify recently got into more video stuff.\n\nOnly a matter of time until we can all jump ship",
"Removing dislikes only helps scammers and fragile people/companies that deserve to be blasted.",
">All this did is stop me from viewing other Youtubers beyond the ones I already liked, for two or three weeks until I accept Google's bullshit and move on.\n\nLets be honest now. In a month or two you'll be back when you need to find the tutorial on repairing the oil seal on your 1960s MG",
"So why don't they just allow creators to opt-in/opt-out of visible dislikes? For instructional and educational videos its crucial. If someone gets downvote attacked, or if some company doesn't like the \"optics\" of dislikes then they can just turn them off. \nThis whole thing really sucks because I need to know if I'm getting bad or dangerous advice/instruction from a video.",
"That's why I said \"even\" let's plays. If I go to look for a let's play, and the guy has 500 likes and 2500 dislikes, I'll still give it a go to see what was so controversial, but in general, I'm searching for people who (surprise, surprise) have proven like-worthy to others watching let's plays.",
"Which ones though? I’ve tried looking for others but I’m yet to find one with even remotely comparable quality",
"I don't mind subs having that ability though. Let them do as the like.",
"Which is really stupid because the algorithm doesn't care whether you like or dislike a video. If someone gets 50,000 people to dislike a small YouTubers video then the algorithm will then promote that video because it's suddenly very popular. You're only helping the small YouTuber by dislike bombing...",
"And terrible loading times in EU-West. Waste of time.",
"Not a bad first world problem to have.",
"If you feel strongly enough, step one is to simply stop using their products.",
"Lmfao",
"This is great. I hope the YouTube Vanced app adds this extension to it soon",
"Idk been using bing for stack overflow and that shit has been magic in finding literally every single reference i've ever possibly imagined, you just gotta use the search enging like you'd use google advanced, put your quotation, brackets minus symbols all that shit and you'll be good",
"When did they take out dislikes tho- theyre still there for me\n\nEdit: just checked, theyre gone ;-;",
"Thinking on that, you having to guess means you’re likely watching more videos and consuming more content, so more £ for them",
"And the ones who showed up are washed up has-beens. Remember Will Smith? Probably not, but here he is, for some fucking reason!",
"For Microsoft??? In what terms? Where? Microsoft is a cloud company now. They don't make shit from OS anymore.\n\nFor Google, where, specifically? The search engine? Alphabet in general?\n\nYoutube I agree and I've been saying this for years.",
"Interesting video, but had to leave a dislike because of they're begging for crypto in the description.",
"Yes because if someone has a problem, and you offer a way to mitigate that problem instead of just complaining and hoping it will solve itself, you're clearly a bot.",
"This is how that stupid-ass video that Veritasium put out recently talking about electricity gained so much traction. If it can't be disliked then we can't send it to the depths of hell it deserves to be in.",
"Sorting the good from the bad in some cases might mean having to directly validate your source(s), and that can become very time consuming if you're trying to solve a complex problem. Especially if you're trying to learn something where you don't yet posess the knowledge to determine if the source is valid. The problem is you don't know what you don't know.\n\nWhen you're faced with the prospect of sitting through three 90 minute lectures on database management you want to make sure you're actually consuming good, helpful information. Without a good indicator such as the like/dislike ratio, that might mean you have to dig through the comments until you find a comment from the one guy who actually took the time to write out why it's bad. Or more likely, the one guy who knew better didn't bother leaving a comment explaining why the video was bad and instead they just disliked the video and moved on to the next.",
"mira eso dislike papa",
"There ain’t much revenue in error messages. Try and find information about anything that is remotely marketable…\n\nHonestly, bing is much better for development purpose as wel. Google search is a good product, just not for its end user.",
"YouTube's copyright system literally allows you to dox people. Small YouTubers have been blackmailed and doxed from using it. It isn't fixed. You really think this is about them?",
"I really hope some streaming services bring out a competitor soon. The infrastructure has to be there by now, there's literally hundreds off streaming services now, a bunch of them free. Time for a bit more competition so youtube realizes they can't just keep shitting on small content creators without any blowback.",
"Lol i gotchu but you get what i mean. Youtube has become too big to fail. \n\nSee if you can go a week without youtube. No youtube, no reddit youtube links, no recipes on other sites with embedded youtube links. Etc. Etc. Its finna get real difficult.\n\nSomeone else has to make an equivalent site and grab enough users to give Youtube some real competition if you want to see Google conceding to your demands. Otherwise it's really a \"we are gonna do this, and we are telling you, ok bye bye now\" type of situation with Youtube vs Youtube users.",
"Yeah, I think that's a good way of doing it.",
"**A petition has been made:**\n\nhttps://www.change.org/p/bring-back-the-dislike-count-on-youtube",
"They won't because it's being run by fucking idiots that stick to their decisions like shit sticks to a toilet bowl.",
"There's a petition here:\n\nhttps://www.change.org/p/bring-back-the-dislike-count-on-youtube",
"Spamming comments will make the video more visible to a broader audience.",
"The issue is that it will be harder to comb through all the user generated content for the actual good tips.",
"Except the mitigation path you (and YouTube) \"offer\" is so inadequate that's in infuriating to anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.",
"The absence of dislikes only going to encourage more vitriolic comments and abusive videos. The like/dislike ratio bar was a simple and effective means to allow your opinion be \"heard\". This new policy is only going to incite further harassment.",
"Don’t worry! You can still read the comments that the scamm- oops i mean creator didn’t delete!",
"I think there's a lot of reasons why dislikes should be shown. I just don't think that using them to determinate quality of educational content is an actual use case that occurs in practice.",
"That's half, so I guess it's correct",
"And as we know, the internet doesn't read, so noone will go into the comments to read everyone screaming to not do that.",
"Now when I watch a video I don't know if it's garbage. It could be a \"how to fix your gadget\" video and if there are no dislikes I'll assume it's a good video. Then I take it apart and find the video is missing important information. I really don't care about \"content creators feelings\" when I downvote, I'm downvoting the video not their existence. People downvoting on Reddit is more of a personal attack than on YouTube.",
"Then again, don't ads do better by not having a like/dislike counter? They're ads. They're gonna be disliked. They're, by nature, annoying.",
"Perhaps the moat to competition isn’t as high, then! Thanks for the correction.",
"Entire industry of grifters who may band up and start making fake \"X channel stole my stuff\" videos in order to DMCA and terminate the shit out of other creators",
"I'm disliking every video out of principle ever since they removed it. Even when I like the video.",
"i doubt it was nintendo that reached out, but this has certainly been a ***long*** time coming. dislikes have been disabled in the comment section for nearly a decade, and youtube has toyed with the plan for a few years prior. i wonder what made them pull the trigger though?",
"not if its run by someone who is dumb or doesnt care enough",
"It could be pinned too, specially if done by the creator",
"Thanks a lot!",
"You can also check likes vs views.. but yeah, fuck this change. Only about 10-20% of people push the like button",
"Depends. IMO they're annoying when you didn't ask to see them while trying to watch something else.\n\nThey probably deserve a like if you searched specifically for them like any other youtube video.",
"At first i thought this was some inside joke i’m not getting. But i’ve seen posts about no more dislike button for a while now.\n\nI still have a dislike button on youtube. Both when viewing on a browser on pc and in the youtube app on ios.\n\nWhat am i missing?",
"RIP all technical, tutorial, or educational videos. It'll be harder to look for correct info now.",
"i don't think they'd do it if it's a video that receives a lot of dislikes, though",
"This change is 100% working as intended, which is to keep people watching videos for longer. Now you actually have to sit and watch the bad video for a few minutes before you realize it's bad. It has nothing to do with \"protection\" or hand-holding, it is only about increasing view time.",
"Unfortuntely, even with this extension the dislike functionality is still ruined. Youtube's own initial experiment showed that when the button is useless, surprise-surprise, people aren't going to use it as much.\n\nThey wouldn't do this unless they knew they could squash any real competitors. This is yet another move by BigTech to control our thoughts and information, and people will be just fine with it.",
"Today was the day my dislike vanished. Don't know why it stayed for me so long.",
"Yeah they said that last week.",
"This applies to any kind of tutorial and it’s frustrating. In the past year I’ve used Youtube tutorials for cooking, auto repair, video games, software, photoshop, gift wrapping, exercising, home repair, how to tie a tie, massage techniques, manicure tips, and a whole lot of other things.\n\nAnd every time, I had to sift through videos to find a good tutorial. The like/dislike ratio was the most helpful way to do this and now it’s gone.\n\nThe best workaround I’ve come up with is to post “like this comment if this was a bad tutorial,” but then the poster can just turn off comments.",
"Reddit shows up/down %",
"Ah yes, of course it's for the small creators. Just like when they changed their partnership rules and terminated any already long standing partnerships that didn't fit the new requirments. For the creators, you know?",
"Companies are not required to disclose exact numbers from subsidiaries unless those companies are also public.",
"This might actually be what they want.",
"Just comment a thumbs down and get thumbs up for it as the dislike button. Problem solved.",
"Only honest content creators would do it",
"That's annoying for users. I'm not going to scroll through a video to see how many individual \"downvoted\" comments there are. I'll scroll far enough to see if \"use this comment as a dislike button\" is one of the top comments.",
"Yeah, they got tired of the White House channel and MSM covid videos obviously getting 1:10 dislike ratios.",
"It'd turned from a celebration of what they are to a promo for advertisers.",
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"That's the hard part. YouTube has the largest collection of videos that I'm aware of.\n\nLeave messages for your favorite YouTubers to move to Brave or Rumble (or any other platforms that you might know).\n\nSome of my favorite video creators have moved but not nearly enough. We need to let them know we'll support them elsewhere.",
"Compare people with the extension who like vs people who dislike, and extrapolate using the total number of likes and you can extrapolate an estimated number of total likes and dislikes.",
"The only way theyll notice or care is us moving along. Is there any platform thats recommendable? Thanks.",
"Exactly. And even worse on mobile. Comments, by default, are minimized. I regularly forget where they are and how to open them, and that's when I'm looking for them. Comments definitely won't be a suitable surrogate for a visible Like/Dislike ratio.",
"Here's your [context. ](https://youtu.be/CEQaYdvs478)",
"You can still sort Reddit posts by best, top, controversial, which gives you the posts with the most upvotes, or the posts with the best/worst ratios though.",
"They did a ton of stupid shit and made really dumb and bad decisions. But this one, this one is beyond stupid.",
"Nah their dislikes were barely even noticeable, contrary to dumb sites like those. \n\nThe real kicker was probably the consistently disliked bigtime advertisers and \"brigading\". They were planning this since 2019 and said as much.",
"Yeah the amount of people saying it has now ruined tutorials and how-to sounds crazy to me.\n\nJust use your goddamn brain and cross-reference your information with other sources, don't just blindly follow a tutorial just because it has 50%+ likes what in the fuck. \n\nYou'll know right away if the information in a video sounds sketchy or if the comments point out something missing or wrong, just looking at the like/dislike ratio tells you absolutely nothing.\n\nWhat a stupid non-issue.",
"If you encounter a video with disabled voting, the automatic assumption of most people would probably be that the video is somewhat shady or controversial. And they would usually be right. It's possibly even worse than having ~30% dislikes.\n\nIf they remove downvotes from the entire site, this nuance will be gone, too.",
"*\"Totally ruined useful information on Reddit ever since. Before that, you could tell from the amount of upvotes or downvotes if the comment was something you could blindly follow and believe, if something was downvoted you knew it would be bad advice. But now? You have to actually read the comment and decide for yourself, Reddit literally ruined tutorials.\"*",
"And it seems every other video now has double un skipable ads at least in the USA, so that makes sense as a extra benefit for them",
"Yeah, this is a fair point. I think this would work fine honestly.\n\nThe fact YouTube are making people turn to 3rd party chrome addins is kinda fuccy.",
"They should let YouTube creators do up very short \"rewind\" - esque videos for themselves, maybe even incentivize it a bit. \n\nThen, we get the really insane people making big compilations of those shorts, and YTP of those shorts, and an actual, functional rewind video for the corner of YouTube they reside. \n\nLike, I have never seen one person in any of the rewind that I watch. Never. That's on me, because I'm not into Minecraft, or over the top stuff like what has been popular, but still.",
"> Unless of course the gatekeepers Apple, Microsoft, Google etc. ban and remove any rising alternative using \"extremism\" as an excuse.\n\nI mean, not to support tik tok or anything but, this is PRECISELY the way the media giants were trying to brand tik tok when Trump was teasing a ban and folks were acting like it would steal all your data, as though the NSA hadn't already done that themselves.",
"It's actually to protect the big ones. Just check the German media (TV) news channels on YouTube for example. They're getting shredded with downvotes.... often like 5% upvotes and 95% downvotes.\n\nThere used to be a time where you were able to comment on news articles on their websites or below the videos on their YouTube channels. But they featured out that their content is not liked and found out that the only solution is to disable comments everywhere, including on their websites.\n\nThe next issue however was that they got downvoted to hell...\n\nSo, eventually YouTube started to hide the dislike number... to protetx small creators ;) Of course, it must be unrelated. Those huge media channels and governments haven't talked with YouTube... of course not. It's all just coincidence.",
"I got into blacksmithing years ago and I saw a video of someone forging a piece of metal which looked really cool and had roughly the same amount of like as other blacksmith videos. That video also had a tonne of dislikes which got me thinking, why so many dislikes? Turns out the guy was forging galvanised steel in an enclosed space and I learned then that zinc used to galvanise the steel when in vapour form is toxic. Since I have asthma, zinc fume fever would be problematic. \n\nBut fuck my health and lets think lets think of the youtubers feelings instead.....",
"It’s not though, I’m not saying stars are better, but the data is definitely different",
"Tv shows and late night hosts are our favorite YouTubers!\n--Susan Wikiwiki, probably",
"What about Rebecca Black’s “Friday”?",
"Works for youtube. Now you have to watch 10 videos on the same thing to make sure the information is right and consistent. Before you could watch one and if it had a really good ratio you knew wether or not microwaves are safe for drying hamsters before having to cross reference.",
"If it was really about the creators it would have been a feature you could opt into.",
"I hope that, for privacy, they'll implement a similar mechanic as SponsorBlock.",
"That has nothing to do with the dislike button",
"I have spent hours per day on youtube for well over ten years now, and I dont think ONCE I ever disliked a video, out of respect to the publisher. \n\nNow that my right has been taken away, it feels all the more compelling to dislike videos that I actually believe are trash.",
"This kills the computer science student.",
"The creator of the video can delete any comments anyway so that top downvote comment won't stay there. At least spamming them with comments make it harder for them to do that I guess.",
"We are truly living in the dark ages of video media now. So much misinformation and censorship going on it’s crazy",
"The only legit reason for removing dislikes is for Youtube to protect disinformation they want to promote. It's hard to promote something that the majority of the population knows and can actively warn others about, unless you remove their ability to speak.",
"Potentially. And only for people who used the like/dislike ratio instead of just clicking on the top result like 99% of the rest of us.",
"Thermal paste conducts heat, so you'll want enough to fill all the empty space in your case.",
"But also political misinformation.\n\nHonestly, the best way to present this publically to the media and the only way Google will actually listen is if we can successfully frame this as a decision to protect racists, anti-Semites, anti-vaxxers, conspiracy theorists, and political extremists.\n\nThis will change overnight if we can get everyone to stop talking about removing a dislike bar and start talking about how it allows anti-vax propaganda to spread unchallenged (etc).",
"Of course it is. Here in Germany, there was a time where people were able to comment below news articles on major news sites and stuff...\n\nThe issue however is that more and more people perceive their content as fake news and government propaganda... with that said, that's exactly how the comment section looked like. A thousand people who could prove any of the written paragraphs to be wrong. Like users who did some excelent fact checking and stuff... these sites got shredded by their own user base. You know what happened next? Almost all of these media companies disabled their comment section...\n\nThey also have YouTube channels where many of them disabled the comment section as well. It was still fun to see like rations of 5% likes and 95% dislikes.\n\nOf course, it must be coincidence that YouTube hides the dislike number now... I mean, I remember that I've seen a ton of videos of those established media channels with downvotes that went into the several thousands if not hundreds of thousands... while just having a few hundreds up votes.\n\nOf course.... it must be pure coincidence that YouTube hides the numbers. Of course, they do it to protect small YouTubers... not the big ones like corporate media... no no... we must believe the YouTube version... remember, YouTube is a charity... YouTube is helping the small people, for example by banning channels of musicians who covered songs and stuff like that... remember, YouTube is a charity... they don't do it to harm musicians, they do it so that the musicians in the world get back to real life, like making music with friends during camp fire... YouTube is always protecting small people... so, why would it be different in the case of the downvote number? /irony off.\n\nOf course, YouTube is proteting corporate media and governments, not the small people. The main goal of this decision is to hide the discrepancy between the (political) views shown in the content that is created to manipulate opinions, and citizens or users that think differently and reject the propaganda pieces by disliking or commenting and fact checking. So, that's why both features are bad for corporate media.",
"Just join odysee",
"Call me a drama queen, but I think this will go down as one of the most harmful corporate decisions in human history if we are measuring by total amount of wasted time and damage done by misinformation, censorship capabilities etc. Just a fucking disaster, thank god there are enough like minded people out there to fight back like this because I was seriously wondering how I would possibly continue on using Youtube as I was before.",
"Fuck YouTube AND Susan",
"Yep. In reality... they're protecting the big corporate propaganda news channels because they get shredded with downvotes. That's what it is about.",
"The YouTube suggestion page is fucking awful. I sit down after a week of work on Friday evening and turn on the tv to find some cooking videos and it’s like HERES KYLE RITTENHOUSE IN YOUR FACE HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND. I literally never watch the news or politics on YouTube I use it to learn about how people ate in the Middle Ages and watch geeks play old shooting games but there’s a “current events” ribbon right at the top of the homepage that cannot be removed and is always full of flavor of the month american politics ragebait.",
"I mean there have been plenty of times the top result isn't what I was looking for.",
"Holy fuck I cannot tell you how many times I always check the dislike ratio when watching discussion, tutorials and random shit. Now I have to plunge myself into the comments to see what people say at least before I consider giving a video a watch. There’s a good reason why something got 50% dislikes or more. I hope there’s a plugin somewhere that brings it back",
"You can always block the ads in the browser or on android TV and support the creators you enjoy buy buying their merch or joining their patreon.",
"I get it but the platforms been degraded with every algorithm change. They continue to shit on the craators that made them. It's crazy hoe one week a channel you sub shows back up and you're like oh yrahthid person rocks and then the next week no more videos from that channel.",
"It doesn't work. \n\n\"I do not like the video enough to like it\" and \"I dislike this video\" are 2 different questions yet they would be counted as the same. \n\nFew examples:\n\n[disliked Youtube rewind 2019](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lAe1cqCOXo)\nviews/likes : about 3%\n\nLikes/(likes+dislikes): about 25% \n\nSome mrbeast video[\n](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0e3GPea1Tyg)\n\nviews/likes : about 8%\n\nLikes/(likes+dislikes): about 99+%\n\n[random dance tutorial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QahFXIrwNZQ)\n\nviews/likes : about 2%\n\nLikes/(likes+dislikes): about 99+%\n\n[video game review](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVWigiK4NTs)\n\nviews/likes : about 1.5%\n\nLikes/(likes+dislikes): about 95%\n\n[disliked game review\n](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AxQn88fOFI)\n\nviews/likes : about 1%\n\nLikes/(likes+dislikes): about 50%\n\nFew percent of likes could mean anything. Either video people hate, video people didn't bother to like enough, etc.",
"I don’t understand what it’s going to take for people to ditch YouTube. There are good alternatives right now. Odysee is solid, it’s just filled with crazies but if creators started switching then their fans would follow and the crazies would be drowned out.",
"Well, if you think Tik Tok does not collect data on minors and stores that info in China I have a bridge to sell you...",
"This is interesting in light of the changes at YouTube because what makes that video effective for you also makes it valuable to YouTube. More eyeballs on ads, more subscriptions, more traffic. Yet it had a high dislike ratio because users don’t find it compelling content. Well, that’s not the important part for YouTube anymore.",
"We need a new video platform, like OpenTube or something, just have the features youtube used to have. Heck even monetize it with ads, the general public won't care, and those that do will just use an adblocker.",
"And it won’t even work. With people unable to outwardly show their dislike with the dislike button, they’re going to resort to leaving comments instead.",
"a few weeks ago a dude was running a scam donation stream on YouTube. same name as the OG creator, just different link. Only thing that gave it away was the amount of dislikes. so yeah...",
"I know rumble isn’t inherently political and maybe it would be a good platform to switch to, but I think Odysee is the best choice. Just need enough normal people to switch over and drown out all the fringe conspiracy people.",
"It doesn't help that whrn you find one and subscribe the algorithm suddenly forgets and start sending g you other \"similar\" channels bu the point was I found the channel I want so I subbed. It'll take a massive leave of major content creators to leave but that's money thr creators aren't gonna see while transitioning to somewhere else. Maybe if one of the sites started signing creators as exclusive yutube can hurt . Ad if now I watch YouTube for the creators I thoroughly enjoy not tour algorithm.",
"Get vanced",
"Before you get started, head to your local hardware store for a contractor size bucket, or better yet rent a cement mixer.",
"It'd probably take some sort of exclusivity contract from those companies because of the massive amount of income the big ones will miss out on the transition.",
"I can’t tell you the number of weird computer issues I’ve had and when I went to look it up on YouTube the dislike bar would be WAAY off. So I instantly knew that video was not going to fix my problem. \n\nNow, with that gone, I have no idea if this video will help or not. \n\nAlso, Linus Tech Tips straight up admitted that YouTube did not listen to him when he brought up his concerns.",
"Bad actors were taking advantage of the like/dislike bar knowing people often click away if a video has too many dislikes.\n\nThe change forces users to to check the comments instead, where they can see more discussion and the actual reasons behind someone's like or dislike. This was a positive change",
"That's a good reason to ignore dislikes on videos regarding political or otherwise divisive content. Not a good reason to remove dislikes all together.",
"I mean it's at a point t even a premium subscription means shit when most creators are having to rely on sponsors and you're deali g with in video ads from the creator themselves. Blame the algorithm on that. Algorithms may be good mostly but they're part of the reason everything us turni g to shit. Back in the day it used to be \"market research\" now its AI based matket reaserch",
"I mean from a business perspective showing dislikes for paying users in not an unreasonable idea. Might even make me finally pay for youtube...",
"Obviously they do.\n\nJust as obviously, the NSA collects all of that information from American companies, to whom we all volunteer it, and stores it here in the US.\n\nQuestion for you. Where do you think that data is more likely to be used against you? In China?",
"Not anymore. It has a ton of likes, that must be an awesome video. Can't wait to watch it",
"It does but I *think* that's an RES feature, not a built in one. Although I've been using that extension for so long I have no clue what's part of it and what isn't these days.",
"I believe the API access is ending December 13th just for accuracy but same idea. It's ending imminently is the main thing.",
"The only \"Small creators\" with massive dislikes are generally scams or click bait videos.",
"> They're too big to fail at this point.\n\nLike Rome!",
"Yeah wtf is the point of seeing the number of upvotes. It gives the same information as view count. 100 000 views, 5 000 upvotes... Upvotes is such a useless stat here",
"For now. They might remove that.",
"I’m still baffle as to how actively Youtube tries to make their platform worse and justifying it with piss poor excuses. Even if we don’t take into account the dislike button, they are lot of other issues. Like the fact that Search function litterally became useless for the fact after 3 searches, it stops trying and just recommends you anything. \n\nI guess it’s what happen when you don’t really have any competition",
"Since I don't live in the US and am somewhat protected by things like GDPR, I don't really care.\n\nAnd just because it's bad on one end, that doesn't invalidate the concerns on the other.",
"dislikes didn't do anything for the algorithm",
"Should just be something you have to opt into to hide dislikes so people know not to trust you inherently, but they know that's the case so gotta push it on everyone",
"The very same thing has allowed Chinese and Russian troll farms to meddle with our elections even here on Reddit. Bring back the up/downvote counts. Nobody wanted them removed in the first place.",
"> I'm not even referring to anything political\n\nYou better not, because political disinformation gets 99% thumbs up on Youtube. Dislikes are completely useless against that.",
"Following. I'm having a hard time comforting my kid when he wakes up from bad dreams and a nice fire in the corner of his room sounds like it could do the trick.",
"Well, videos whose source is 720p run quite well.\n\nFor videos of 1080p or higher which are stopping to buffer, I usually choose to download the video (yep, you can download videos) and watch it all at once. I also have an extension which automatically redirects me to Odysee if the video is available there, which is called \"Watch on Odysee\".\n\nYou're right, Odysee still has a long way to go, but because Youtube is virtually a monopoly, they can \"afford\" to be real dicks, which they often are.\n\nThe sooner we have another platform up and running, the better.",
"What do you mean? YouTube said they got rid of dislikes because small YouTubers were being brigaded. There's evidence that small YouTubers are being BLACKMAILED and DOXED which is FAR WORSE and they haven't fixed the issue. So, who are they really protecting? Get that through your thick skull?",
"Removing dislikes is the way for corporations to get ahead. I'm almost certain that this happened not because of YouTube wanting to respond to bullying and toxicity but over companies that sponsor YouTube saying \"We don't want users to negatively rate our commercial content\"\n\nIn other words fuck YouTube. It's the premier platform but it's also the worst crap.",
"We need to crowdfund another platform and move away from shit youtube.",
"We should organize a blackout.",
"YouTube should add a menu drop down that makes you pick why you disliked a video instead of eliminating it. Something like \"I hate this person\", \"Bad quality\", \"Bad information\", \"Lying son of a bitch\", etc.",
"Be evil.",
"Yup. Any tutorial I follow from YouTube I honestly check what that ratio is. Especially when it comes to how to properly do an exercise, I’ve seen some awful vids that show ways that can seriously hurt a person.",
"They used that weak excuse because corporations completely control the narrative in our culture.",
"I don’t understand your point. Sponsorblock alters the player UI, so I assume it can alter the stuff below the player. They implement a dislike feature, and suddenly the problem of a dislike extension only counting dislikes using that particular extension basically goes away. Because Sponsorblock is a YouTube based middle finger to Google that’s already very popular. You could just default to that like/dislike count or use that count to estimate what the real dislike count might be.",
"It doesn't matter... the bottom line the extension works because youtube still has the information in the site for compatibility purposes. in 2 or 3 months they will hide the information from everyone but the video owner, and all extensions will be futile.",
"Even worse - this will destroy small content creators because viewers have 1 metric to go off of now. Views / thumbs up. We can no longer assess the quality of a video through the like / dislike ratio. \n\nSo people will naturally click on the video with the most views or thumbs up, trusting it will be the most informative / entertaining / whatever they're looking for. Fuck YouTube.",
"Why even have a dislike button if there is no counter? Just keep the like button and its counter. More likes = more popular and vice-versa. Bad videos will just get ratioed in the comments lol.",
"so basically this just puts dislikes on life support until the historical data is no longer relevant? this is kinda funny because can't this extension/plugin show more dislikes than accurately extrapolated, being a prime candidate for manipulation also?",
"I mean I agree it's dumb but to be fair there's still the comments. People will definitely let you know in the comments if it's bullshit and didn't work and with more detail than a simple number, too...",
"yall will make such a big deal out of nothing",
"I don't know if they had any hidden motives but I agree with the decision and I think you have valid points. I was hoping they would do this even before this story broke. I get more useful information out of the like to view ratio honestly. \n\nAnd I can also understand the stated motive to support smaller creators. There was one video in particular that stuck with me. Someone had put a ton of effort and love into a huge Hot Wheels track in their backyard, and it was awesome and fun to watch, but there were a few parts where he seemed to be helping the car along, pushing it through water and up a few hills. And sure enough, a bunch of shitheads were disliking it and being harsh in the comments and acting like they were uncovering some conspiracy, and his responses were honest and kind and he explained how everything was done. It was pretty sad actually.",
"> EDIT: OK remember how I was talking about hiveminds and brigades targeting even truthful stuff? This is such an obvious example.\n\nIn my and many others experience there is a strong relationship between the dislike ratio and the quality of a tutorial. Even if the issues you described aren't simply anecdotal, it would hardly justify removing (*what we see as*) a valuable tool for public feedback. You have valid criticisms of the old system, but not many here would agree that it justifies your conclusion.",
"What if they just gave you the ratio?",
"If you use the extension \"Enchancer for Youtube\", you can copy the script into the \"custom script\" field.",
"I'd say either peertube or Odyssey are the best alternatives right now but content creators need to publish their videos there",
"It'd need a lot, a *lot* of users to give any benefit. It would work for bigger videos and channels, but most videos and channels wouldn't have anyone doing downvotes.",
"I'm still not totally understanding and I could be wrong, but I think we're agreeing with eachother. \n\n\nI'm saying that YouTube isn't removing dislikes to protect any actual users, they're removing them to protect companies and \"protect\" the users (popular influencers) that are pawns for those companies. No company wants to sponsor an influencer who is visibly disliked in the community. It's not anything about the people, it's about the money.",
"Gone? As in removed?",
"I feel like the only person who never used or paid attention to dislikes.",
"Except the opposite is also true. I won't search for content anymore unless it's recommended to me by someone I know or is from a youtuber whos content I already consume. It's not worth my time to have to wade through a sea of bullshit just to find something. \n\nIf it's something that I need educationally I will go to a different platform. I rather pay money and not waste my time than spend hours worrying if I'm wasting my time or if the content creator is a shame. \n\nFor gaming related things I'll just get recommendations from friends, shit I see on reddit, discord.",
"if you cant see the dislikes you will watch more videos meaning more time wasted on watching Ad's This is the same woman who invented Google Adsense. /r/iamatotalpieceofshit",
"Good luck with that.",
"Sometimes you forget you're the product when you're using social media, not the costumer and then something like this happens an dit all falls back into place",
"Yeah, the OP's video touches on that and it's absolutely true. I've been learning a ton of different programming languages over the last few years and a lot of it is self taught, and those smaller channels like/dislike ratios were extremely helpful and *correct* 99% of the time. Opening up a video with 5 likes and 100 dislikes on a tutorial video means that this tutorial either has wrong information or is unhelpful, I'm going to save my time and not watch it unless I have to.",
"There used to be a Chrome extension that would show you a line representing the like/dislike ratio on the thumbnail, so you could choose to not click on it if the dislikes were high. Wish that was a thing on that platform too.",
"I don't know.\n\nI hate what YT had become. Same with FB, IG, (i hate what TikTok is too).\nBut if Amazon got into the game, we KNOW they'd treat their bottom line as everything and the people/resources of the world as dirt.\n\nMaybe they'd make it better, pushing both companies to dream levels.\n\n\nBut imagine they make a huge push, they manage to get close to YT popularity.\nThen they realize, if we fuck over <choose country> by buying out all the <choose resource> in the country, we can improve our margin by 1%. Suddenly they can short YT even harder with better deals for the content producers / viewers.\n\n\nSuddenly they WILL have a monopoly, but the users will never know who's getting fucked for them to get less ads. The user won't CARE. Because Amazon doesn't target AdBlock users.\n\nThat is what I'm scared of.\n\nAnd I'm not sure Google is much better, maybe they just hide their skeletons better. *Shrug*.\n\nBut by now I'm pretty damn sure we could do worse than Google & YouTube.",
"This addon is going to be useless for new videos. You can't just guestimate dislikes like that and have it be accurate.",
"I have a theory about them doing this and the timing that they removed it at. But, Reddit would fucking downvote me into oblivion for it",
"It goes to show you that.. just like in politics, what the regular users want, means nothing compared to what big money interests want. Just like the regular users have been begging for a dislike button added to facebook for years... so what do we get? Dislike buttons removed from youtube.",
"Useful for maybe another two weeks (after which the backend API for dislikes gets removed and breaks this). Then what?",
"Nice. So now you just have a permanent record of how many dislikes the video had at the moment the API was shut down, plus any dislikes that people who have this extension installed have added. Super duper useful.",
"Realistically, what are the odds that YouTube even remotely reconsiders rolling back this idea? 🤔\n\nI mean, you guys remember youtuber rewind right? It took them a couple of years to shut that shit down for good...",
"You do realize the uploader can delete comments, right?",
"I don’t know how many users use Sponsorblock but I can tell you that I very rarely run into videos that aren’t already tagged. Every time I think I do, I refresh the page and then they’re loaded. I welcome any other ideas for getting enough people into a single dislike extension ecosystem. Fact is, any extension probably will not be used long term and we’ll adjust to no dislike count or we’ll be able to hack to see the count the creator sees or something idfk. But Sponsorblock is already a big platform with a lot of users. It would just be nice, is all, I don’t expect them to do this. Jesus\n\nHey you fucking mongoloids. I understand that only one guy needs to mark a specific video. Good job completely missing the point that it has a larger install base than any of these individual dislike extensions ever will have, guaranteed. That’s my point. It would be cool. And will definitely attract new users in the process. What the fuck, we’re all just spitballing about how to tolerate this stupid YouTube shit. Dissect a frog if you like it so much eh?",
"I was hunting for a video comparing modern PhysX CPU vs GPU. Could not tell until about a minute or so in that the quality of a few videos were so bad I gave up. Historically they probably had a large dislike ratio which would have helped me to skip to the next. Wasted so much goddamn time.",
"I'd love to see this get integrated into vanced",
"Exactly. This has allowed Chinese and Russian troll farms to meddle with our elections even here on Reddit. Bring back the up/downvote counts. Nobody wanted them removed in the first place.",
"I have an old creator account, before Google made everyone split off their Google account from their YouTube user name (because I had that first) and I can still see dislike numbers on videos like nothing changed. But on another Google account I have, I can't see the dislike numbers...",
"Yes, but in my experience usually that isn't the case for tutorials and people leave them there even if they're critical. I guess the potential is there for it to be abused though.\n\nAlso, IIRC uploaders could always disable dislikes if they wanted too.",
"He popped up randomly in my youtube feed a week or so ago. I have no idea why, I rarely watch tech videos, but I'm in no way complaining. His video about the spyware built deep into CPUs was really eye opening.",
">In my and many others experience there is a strong relationship between the dislike ratio and the quality of a tutorial. Even if the issues you described aren't simply anecdotal,\n\nOkay but it's all anecdotal then. To add on, by the way, there's also stuff like [this video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sEYC5N1Gw2s) which before the change didn't have that many likes and yet the whole video is bullshit and has been debunked to death.\n\nIf a tool has failed as a valuable tool for public feedback and causes more harm than good, then it is justified.\n\nComments have generally in the past been way better gauges as well, because they go into detail about what is actually wrong.\n\nIt's more effort, but it's worth it because we shouldn't have been flat out trusting those counters in the first place.",
"Dislikes were so useful! There are so many garbage creators with inaccurate info - the dislikes from the brave ppl that watched it already were invaluable.",
"\\> uses normie unironically\n\nnot one of us sweaty",
"very sad state of affairs we live in",
"How am i to know if i'm supposed to hate a thing without seeing how many other people hate a thing?! Social media is fueled by hate! /s",
"YouTube really needs a viable competitor",
"> I won't search for content anymore unless it's recommended to me by someone I know or is from a youtuber whos content I already consume.\n\nYeah, this is a problem for me as well. I stick to the guys I know now. Discovery is suffering.",
"In many jobs such as IT, that is just not an option, my man. And that's the problem. late stage capitalism.",
"I don't get that fucking logic at all because the dislikes are still shown in the YouTube studio, so the content creator will still see the dislikes??",
"This is NOT the solution, but just a bandaid.\n\nIt only works based off of a snapshot (saved dislike counts) and based on people who use this extension. That's because google won't allow you to see the dislike count via their API.\n\nBut it's not accurate and dislikes from people on phone or without the extensions won't count.",
"It blows my mind how America is running full speed towards total fascism, and how most are perfectly okay with it. Thanks for this extension. It's a small thing, but every act of resistance against American Fascism should be applauded.",
"We need a new YouTube.",
"thanks /u/unironically_baka",
"Then how will their workers know which bottles are best to pee in?\n\nThe 2/5, leaked piss on the floor my truck reviews will be gone!",
"It's going to be so hard for a competitor to rise up at this point because when it starts it will be empty. And people will be like \"oh i hope a video explaining the intricacies of my obscure hobby is on NewTube!\" and then they will find that, no, they'll have to go to the old YT to find all those videos uploaded 2-7 years ago. The third time this happens they won't bother checking NewTube again, and they'll be right back at YT. \nYT basically has a monopoly now on the encyclopaedic collection of humanities videos. It's going to take something pretty drastic for YT to be replaced. Here's hoping honestly, but I'm not holding my breath.",
"> I've been learning a ton of different programming languages over the last few years and a lot of it is self taught, and those smaller channels like/dislike ratios were extremely helpful and correct 99% of the time\n\nExactly the same here! For those of us that used youtube as a resource of information, education, or needing tips/techniques that may not be readily available; removal of the dislike button has created an unwanted unnecessary problem.\n\nIt just sucks",
"It doesn't matter if we all see the dislikes with an extension. The millions of general population out there will never see the dislike bar again",
"At least on reddit you can see when a post dips into the negatives.\n\nWhich at that rate would put YouTube Rewind 2018 at -17 million. lol",
"Someone should start an open source wetube that is public driven, anti-corporate.",
"SponsorBlock needs just a single person to make those tags, but for upvote/downvote thing to matter you'd have to have a lot more giving both upvotes and downvotes (so you can see the ratio).",
"time for dislike comments instead",
"Its a win win for them, they get to push their Propaganda while shutting down \"misinformation\" and they get more money, chances are if someone does not yet realize this has always been American Corporation strategy for at least a century will be surprised by this, me as a dedicated conspiracy theorist could have told you this was coming and you can use radio, television, and movies as the example. There is a reason they give you a low grade education, they do not want you to be able to at least suspect what they are doing, that's why they keep us on a 4 year political cycle, its just long enough to give them power but not long enough for you to catch on. People voted for Biden cuz they hated Trump and Biden is literally doing all the things people hated Trump for. Of course not defending Trump just pointing out the irony there.",
"Double unskippable 15 second ads of pure crap like that \"We're F***Ed\" and \"How often do you cleanse your bowels?\" crap.\n\nNinja edit: LISTEN TO YOUR MUSIC WITH YOUR SCREEN LOCKED!",
"Just gotta do a likes:views ratio now, rather than a likes:dislikes ratio. Not nearly as accurate but can probably start to glean good ratios after a bit.",
"you mean like the OP video?",
"Imagine the poor souls who thought that HowToBasic was a legit tutorial channel.",
"I cancelled my premium subscription, I won’t support them catering to corporations this heavily.",
"Yeah if you're a big name in the USA.",
"It’s not youtube anymore it’s theirtube",
"And if it that percentage is below 50%, you (be you reader or OP) cannot tell how many more downvotes to upvotes a post has. \nTake the post I linked above: it's at 49%. Is that 49 upvotes to 51 down? 490 to 510? 49,000 to 51,000? I don't know, and Reddit doesn't want to say.",
"That's neat, but only works for desktop I take? I'm curious how large the share of use is on mobile devices. Especially with Android being owned by Google, it seems like the damage is permanent",
"It will take into account the average Views to Likes to Dislike ratios of thousands of past youtube videos, to extrapolate estimated Dislikes based solely on Views and Likes. One only needs a large enough data-set to do this accurately and they already have it. People with the add-on will also contribute to this data. Although how useful that will be depends entirely on how many users install it, and how many of those actually like and dislike videos.",
"I was looking for a live version of a song the other day and there were 3 YouTube links. Two were the same the third was titled the song name but upon clicking it it was clearly a different song. All the comments were nagative about how the title was wrong but it had 3k likes, I'm sure it would've had way more dislikes.",
"Oh, I see what you mean.",
"Just re-upload the video with the title “Thumbs up this video if you hate it!” Easy peazy",
"I missed the news on this one... what was their reason for removing the dislike button?",
"Rewind now has 3 million upvotes and 0 visible downvotes. To an outside viewer, it's a great video. \n \nStrange how that happened ;p",
"14 million subscribers? Pfft, call us when you have 40 million. Unless you're the Paul brothers...",
"You sound single asf",
"For now :)",
"where",
"I don't see that they're gone.",
"Sponsorblock requires ONE person to input the required data for a specific video. Return Dislikes would need thousands of users, to like and dislike a specific video to return any meaningfully accurate result.",
"Would you like fries and a blowjob with that, sir?",
"Maybe it's just on Old? It's next to the submitted time and shortlink.",
"Which is great for the people who know about it, but not for those who don't.",
"And the person who puts the video up can delete any critical comments that point out how wrong they are especially if it becomes so popular that people see it and nope right out of the video.\n \nNot showing dislikes puts too much power in the hands of the content creators to silence ALL criticism. They could already remove/disable comments but they always had to live with the dislikes now they don't even have to do that.",
"All this because some \"creative\" at youtube cried their shit stain take on rewind was disliked?",
"Try figure out when YouTube disabled the downvote count on comments - It was.... Quite some time back :p",
"This doesn't make any sense. People can still dislike videos, and it still influences the algorithm, and the creator will still be able to see the number of dislikes... This does *absolutely nothing*, to prevent that kind of behaviour (does that even really exist? I've never seen it).",
"It only hit me this week whilst it's been affecting others for quite awhile now - It'll get to you soon enough.",
"Some of my known channels are pretty small *because* I didn't make viewing choices based on numbers.",
"Chuggaconroy is the OG man, got into his plays when YouTube was fresh and he's still going",
"YouTube: yes those are good points but what about our money ?",
"Aye, I use it for recipes as well. Getting rid of the dislike button is so fucking stupid.",
"We need this added to Vanced now",
"You could also of course disable likes and dislikes for any of your videos. The solution was right there. It's always been there. But YouTube thinks lying is the better way to go about things.",
"This was what ppl knew we needed em for.\n\nNo dislikes and trolls upvoting a bad or potentially dangerous video without any way to see dislikes was never gonna work.",
"And even worse, comments will count as interaction, pushing the video into the spotlight.",
"I've seen this abuse of the dislikes but it isn't always the case it is however the 'perfect' case youtube have decided to latch onto as an excuse why they are doing it but it is bullshit. You could easily have a hidden dislike ratio for smaller channels, subscriptions/views/age/etc and so on.\n \nMost of what I consume on youtube is diy/creative fixes etc and a high dislike ratio is almost always because something was done/said/recommended as being objectively wrong, like using a car jack in the incorrect manor, bypassing a tool's safety feature, etc. \n \nComments are often much more useful in BAD videos, in good videos they might add something extra but if it is a good content creator it really isn't necessary because they've done the work to address most if not all concerns.\n \n>most of the videos I see with high dislike ratios are not because the advice is bad, but because the video recording quality is bad. Their voice isn't audible enough, the screen is blurry, etc. All things I could figure out myself from watching it.\n \n\nThis takes time, youtube wants you to sit there and 'suffer' through it so they can shove more ads in your face so judging that for yourself only helps youtube. For many people having to sit there through a bad video, quality/audio etc can mean they don't get what they wanted/should from a better video because they can't hear/see it and have to watch again or find another video and hope they can see/hear it or use subtitles on the bad video if that works or works well enough etc.",
"Correct answer. This isn’t about protecting anyone IMO. This is about prolonging eyeball time on YouTube: since growth at this point is tapering, attention/time is the growth commodity. What do you do if you want to watch highlights of a recent sporting event or something of the sort and it’s not on an official YouTube channel yet? You look at the crowdsourced indicator of quality to tell you it’s not some clown with a “link to video in comments” ruse: the ratio. What do you do if you want to choose a tutorial but all of them are the same length and they all seem legit? Ratio. What do you do if you want the best shot at unbiased information? Ratio (plus some common sense). By removing the thumbs down, you have to watch things you don’t want to watch (plus ads (if you don’t block em)) for at least a few seconds before realising it’s a waste of time and continuing your search. I have to imagine that the cumulative value of all those wasted seconds adds up and is of value to them. Imagine them pulling this shit with Google and the betrayal that would be.",
"Google actually bought YouTube in 2006. Just one year after it started. They still had the star ratings back then.",
"I just realized that one possibly desired side effect of removing the dislike count is to force people into the comments more. There is going to be more detail to glean by reading the comments but it's going to take more time to do that. That means more time people stay on the platform.",
"Thanks, I didn't realize they got bought out that much sooner, went and edited my comment.",
"Information companies make money by limiting access to information.\n\nIt's funny. The old tech ethos was \"information should be free\".",
"I genuinely forgot ShitTube actually had ads recently, until I tried using the app on my tv. Been using Ublock origin for 6-7 years now and haven’t seen a YT add on my PC in all that time.\n\nMobile I don’t have the app and use firefox focus so no ads there either. They ain’t getting £ from me.",
"You just knew it had to happen. Old media were getting rekt, so they couldn't help themselves and try to adapt. No, they had to take their big buck dicks and shove them up the new platform. We can only hope that this will lead to a viable alternative to YouTube, and YT will be joining the likes of yahoo, altavista, AOL and others. Relics of the past.",
"Bing and duckduckgo is what I use to look for shit. Google just became maps and restaurant reviews for me. That and telling me the weather. Everything else is ads.",
"That's exactly what they want.\n\nThey want you to watch more bad content, read more comments, to get to the good content. At the end of the day, they just want you to spend more time on the site - if that means you have to watch 3 bad videos to find a good one, that's still 4 videos you consumed and more ads.",
"I use youtube a lot for finding videos for school, the like dislike is so important to know i’m not gonna waste my time with a bad video, this is just a horrible change no matter how you slice it",
"Not going back on youtube until the dislike feature is returned. Took it off my browser shortcut bar.",
"Yea this was done for the corporations and jimmy kimmel. I liked having dislikes because it helped me gauge if a video was good/bad or useful or not useful. But yea hug box policies ftw!",
"I have a theory YouTube doesn't like what dislikes you're doing to YouTube shorts. When I watch shorts I use the dislike button to try to train the algorithm. If I'm watching a regular video and don't like it I usually just click away I don't use dislike.",
"Too much sensitive ppl now a days for dislike button lool",
"GOOD point",
"Laughs in YouTube vanced",
"Have they removed them yet? I still have them available to me on videos I watch.",
"pornhub needs to whitelabel their service and launch a new sidegig. youhub",
"I get what this video is saying but showing a video of Fauci and stating that people dislike videos because they literally dislike them is pretty disingenuous. The Trump campaign has had no qualms with launching dislike raids on videos for shit, partisan reasons.",
"/r/videos should institute a blanket boycott of youtube until they fix it. plenty of other platforms to tide the subreddit over",
"> I remember way back before YT got bought by Google, where they actually showed the like/dislike counter colors for the comments. \n\nThose two things aren't related. Google bought YouTube like a year or two after they opened. For years after the acquisition they didn't even have a like and dislike bar. They had a star rating system. YouTube had been in Googles portfolio for like a over decade before they removed the colors from the dislike/like bar.",
"YT has flooded my feed with popular youtubers, even if I've only watched 2-3 of their videos and I didn't subscribe. E.g. the \"HDMI\" channel, which is pretty clearly just run by Fox, comes up everywhere and I haven't watched it in a couple weeks. \n\n I barely see any of the small channels I subscribe to. \n\n Going to the 'subscriptions' tab doesn't help either. This only shows recently uploaded videos which is biased towards youtubers who upload ever other day.",
"if they get rid of old reddit i’ll leave for good.",
"Power to the meowmeowbeanz!",
"Nearly every YouTuber I watch has voiced how this is a bad move for both creators and viewers. \n\nIt is my personal believe that YouTube did this purely to stop massive disliking when their “stars” cause controversy. Which isn’t exactly a controversial opinion, it’s what most people believe, and YouTube is going so far as to remove the API which means that you can’t even have any chrome extensions that show the dislike bar. \n\nIt’s utterly ridiculous.",
"This is not a solution",
"That's why I don't have children. Well, not any more.",
"lol excellent. So basically upload a shit video, the video gets boosted by negative comments and now it's on top of the search results.\n\nSo next time when someone wants to put out a grease fire, they quickly search on YouTube and play the first video that comes up after a 15 second ad. Brilliant.",
"Youtube has gone to shit, double ads, censorship, now removing votes? Not very democratic.. sold out to multinational corporations that didn't like down votes, then lied about the reason voting was removed.",
"This reads as though you believe that people are thumbing down corporate media? But in reality you're going to have a huge number of people voting down \"bad news\". Who is going to \"like\" a story about a child being kidnapped for example?",
"The biggest smoking gun to me is not even offering the option to turn it back on. Think the best approach to this would be to turn it off as the default. I'll even take the requirement to manually do it with every upload.\n\nWith turing off the dislike count and the ability for channel owners to delete comments there is no honest indicator of how good the video is broadly speaking.",
"Mental Outlaw's videos are so good!",
"I think you could look at the video by MakersMuse about it. As far as I know he's got good information.",
"This must just be the US. We can still downvote in England.",
"There is actually a technical reason for this part which is somewhat justifiable. \n\nWhen you log in to YouTube, no matter what you click they're going to show you one of a few ads. It doesn't matter which vid you choose to watch. So they can \"preload\" those to near by/more servers. \n\nSimilarly it's much easier to send 1000 people the same ad then to send them each a different video. \n\nI'm not knowledgeable enough about networking etc to know the more technical version of this, and at the end of the day it's still just a means to make ad money, but it's far more justifiable than this dislike change. Or even just the number/length of ad changes.",
">a bit harder\n\nThats a hell of an understatement. The majority of tutorials I've seen (most for photoshop and editing software) are trash, either failing to address title of video, giving wrong info or offering a shitton of superfluous commentary.\n\nWithout the u/d ratio, finding tutorials will be a colossal waste of time and I'll have to rely on google for now on",
"This is just a shoving of censorship down our throats following liberal media sources getting disliked to hell. It's scary as heck, and only a taste of what is to come. Scammers are also rejoicing.",
"Yeah honestly. I don't understand why Google would maintain YouTube for this long if it was constantly making a net loss for the company. It's not as if Google is known for being a self-sacrificing company that does what it can for the good of the people or something. It's an incredibly profitable business that, while maybe not the most profitable one on the planet, is still incredibly lucrative in its money making.\n\nYouTube as a platform is what we would consider \"Too big to fail\" and I don't mean that literally. YouTube can make a few decisions that would kill itself, such as limiting video size or preventing content creators from having the freedom they currently have. I simply do not see it doing that. They know what they can and cannot do and removing the dislike system was what they could do that would make them the most money and lose as few users as possible.",
"Likes/dislikes may not have helped there anyway. Even before the removal of the dislike ratio Youtube was already flooded with fake or terrible tutorials/instructional videos and many of them had millions of views with a high like ratio before.\n\nFor instance there's hundreds possibly thousands of videos of so called free electricity from magnets powering light bulbs on youtube, some with 10s of millions of views with high like ratios. Each and everyone of them are fake, but people fall for it anyway. I even know some gullible folks that even tried buying the magnets to do it themselves...",
"Tbf, the YouTube comment section is quite often a horrible shitshow regardless of what the video topic is. Personally I try to avoid it most of the time anyway. So, I guess in a roundabout way, I agree that the dislike ratio being hidden will be bad lol",
"While I don’t really see a benefit to removing dislikes, I’ve never relied on them to see if a video is good or not and I’m surprised so many people are claiming to do exactly that.\n\nI’ve always treated virtually all binary online voting as essentially arbitrary and ruled by bots or emotional users. \n\nIf you’re actually concerned about the content quality of something you need to dive deeper than a simple like/dislike count. \n\nThere’s not really a shortcut for that as long as the forum is mostly anonymous and online.",
"Why would they remove dislike? Afraid of hurting someone's feelings?",
"In order to cut down on my extended user of the Youtube now that functionally all educational/tutorial is now essentially defunct. I added the following line to my uBlock Origin filters page\n\nwww.youtube.com###secondary\n\nNow I no longer get the recommendations list while in a video. I hope that this will help cut down on my \"TV\" time as its sorta hard to doomscroll without anything to scroll... (just turn auto-play off unless you like surprises as that element also contains the next video up to bat). \n\nAlso who ever makes those edutainment streaming services that sponsor a shit ton of videos, they really need to lean into marketing about how the dislike button hurts educational content.",
"They just increased their watchable content by orders of magnitude simply by steering us to consume old content that was previously worthless. Not to mention new content that is highly controversial which rational people never bother watching.\n\nSociety needs to create reliable mechanisms for ripping the fucking filth humans out of corporations and throwing them into the gutter. Though it would be better if some of these mega corporations simply started to rot away and die.",
"If YouTube really cared about small creators, then removing the dislike count is going to encourage MORE hate in the comment section. Hate comments are so muc more worse than than a dislike count.",
"Going as far as removing it from the API suggests big money is involved. I guess it could also be some manager's hurt feelings from the last few Rewinds.",
"I immediately installed an extension to return dislikes.",
"Sad and frightening. There is a wicked group with a lot of power. And this group will neither share power nor give up influence. And what's worse, the majority of people isn't able to think critical. So, this is a society that you can control in very subtle ways, changing some small things here and there, and people, except a few, won't even notice what is happening. Things are happening gradually, over a long time span, and since people have an attention span that is worse than the attenion span of a goldfish, you have people that are inable to connect the dots, the events, the changes. It's dangerous, the fact that things are so subtle, makes it far more dangerous... there are some that understand where we're heading to... everyone else has read news articles about China and points with the finger there without ever questioning our own system. \n\nIt's not looking good. But I wish it would be worse... because the nihilist in my mind wishes for a comets to come down to earth and make it all end for everyone. We had enough time to build a fair system, not just for us, but for the entire planet and even animals. But it didn't happen, thus I trust the universe to solve the entire issue at some point. If the Earth is a cell in this universe, it is sure that it is cancer... if the universe is the body, it must attack... I don't even care how.... solar flare, comet, alien invasion... whatever. I just hope the problem is solved at some point in a natural way. I wouldn't mind if the planet is doing it on its own... any larger catastrophe or extinction event would work.",
"Removing dislikes only benifits the following people:\n\n1.Idiots\n\n2. Scammers\n\n3. Spammers\n\n4. anyone peddling alternative facts.\n\nEveryone else gets fucked and can expect disinfo to spread like wildfire now without any repercussions.",
"They want disinformation or more importantly only the information fb deems appropriate",
">I'm talking like videos to fix your car. A bad up/down ratio tells me there's something off with a video like this, and I've been robbed of this ability.\n\nThis, so much this.\n\nI'm learning 3D sculpting with Zbrush and so I watch a lot of youtube videos to learn tips and tricks, processes and the like. \n\nEver since the removal of the dislikes, I have no idea if the video I'm honna watch is useful material or utter garbage. The only way to know is if I'm watching something made by a well-known channel like FlippedNormals (just to name one).\n\nAnything else is just \"hope you're not wasting your time\"...",
"What I don’t understand is the algorithm generally doesn’t care if it’s a like or dislike, because either way you engage with the content, which is exactly what they want, and it makes them money. \n\nSo why bother getting rid of it? It only makes sense that big money is involved somehow purely for personal feelings, once again hurt feelings. \n\nIt’s not a secret that anybody who’s even remotely popular on the site can avoid a ban that would otherwise completely delete someone else’s channel, aside from the obvious like posting porn. Twitch works the same way. \n\nThere’s no such thing as bad publicity, so why take away something that was guaranteed to drive clicks and revenue, and make the platform money, unless this was done on a personal level.",
"I got some bullshit antivax doctor spouting conspiracy bullshit in my feed two days ago.\n\nI was so pissed off, I never watch medical videos, I never watch conspiracy shit, and I never even watch youtube for covid news... I am subscribed to channels like SmarterEveryDay, Veritasium, Kings and Generals, Thomas Flight, PBS Space Time, Toy Galaxy, Summoning Salt, Timeline - World History Documentaries, and HorrorBabble.\n\nThe only thing even remotely conspiratorial in my subscription list is RedLetterMedia... But all of the sudden Im getting anti vax bullshit popping up? You know what? Fuck you Google.",
"Fuck Google.",
"Upvote for the correct use of “affect” and “effect”.",
"I had my first run in finally with the hassles of removing the dislike button. I work in IT, but I don't work with Mac, a friend of mine needed to reset their machine before selling it and I offered to help. Well, while trying to find tutorials about how to do so I could not tell which guides are bad vs the ones that are good.\n\nBring back the dislike button.",
"Long ago, Google fought the spammers. Now, Google fights alongside them. These are dark times.",
"disliking more since this happened",
"So you go one lower. Just like if you didn't like the likes/dislikes ratio of the first one.",
"Gone as is hyperbole because that's all people can do now.\n\nIt's all still there but saying that doesn't generate karma.",
"NewTube, if you will",
"Although I agree with the sentiment, your example video of what people want to dislike is bullshit.",
"You forgot SponsorBlock (on PC, since Vance has it built-in)",
"I wish YouTube would just leave stuff the fuck alone",
"New reddit is unusable to me. Old reddit is the only reddit I'll use.",
"Yes, I noticed that mistake and edited my original comment.",
"Ik like wtf",
"That seems like a problem to work out between the content creators and the advertisers. Not the audience.",
"Mental Outlaw makes great vids! Not for everyone, but really useful information",
"Exact same thing here. I use Youtube tutorials for Photoshop. \n\nWhen a video had a bunch of dislikes, I knew it wasn't a good one for me right from the start. Now I have to watch a bunch of crappy videos only to get to the good ones.",
"Sounds similar to what Netflix did after Amy Schumer's \"special\".\n\nFuck. Everyone hates this. Delete the option to hate this shitty content!",
"Netflix removed their star ratings, coincidentally, after their Amy Schumer \"special\" tanked.",
"Reddit did it too.\n\nReddit used to show how many dislikes a person's post had.\n\nI screamed what you're screaming like 5 years ago.\n\nDeaf ears everywhere.",
"This is a terrible idea, Youtube. Just more censorship.",
"YouTube Vanced soon?",
"Imagine how long you have to sit through a \"how TF do I do this thing with the stuff I have\" video while on a job site, just to find out it is pure shit, or says \"subscribe to my channel to see next video for the details\".",
"They could at least have used a hash of the video ID to make it more difficult to find out what you're watching",
"They used to operate at a loss when YouTube was in its early days but that was before they added ads and YouTube premium etc now they are milking the the website to make up for losses incurred during that period.",
"No doubt!!",
"I still see the downvotes on some videos i watch. Weird",
"They could have easily compromised and only shown the like ratio if it was 75% or more positive. Anything less they could have hidden the dislikes. That way no one gets butthurt and we still have a way of figuring out if a video is worth watching.",
"Cancer still has the downvotes",
"Youtube is getting greedy and pretty cocky too. \nTwo ads before videos, a few during, and completely fucking around with our ability to trust informations. That's enough for me. Enjoy the monopoly while you can.",
"I feel dumber trying to figure out whether a video is actually helpful or if it's a troll yikes.",
"> The Dislike button, was a necessary evil, in that: it alerted the NEXT viewer to be critical that there were a sizable demographic that disagreed with the content shared.\n\nEh, for a lot of topics, that is completely unreliable. The OP's video mentions videos from government sources. But the only people who actually vote on those videos (or comment) are the dumbfuck trolls who are the last people you should be listening to w/r/t politics and news.",
"> Now you can't see if its propaganda or fake news\n\nYou act as though the people who mass downvote news and government videos are actually trustworthy when it comes to identifying propaganda and fake news.\n\nJust look at the example given in the video. There's nothing wrong with that White House video. But right-wing trolls make a habit of mass disliking anything from Joe Biden, while regular people just don't bother voting. Downvotes on news and government videos aren't based on whether or not it's \"fake news\" or \"propaganda.\" It's based on whether or not people like the news in the video or like the government posting the video.\n\nSo when it comes to disliking a product, it's fine. But when it comes to literally any news or political videos, it's 0% reliable.",
"News videos on YouTube are notoriously swamped by far-right assholes, yeah.",
"dont reply to me im dead",
"Interesting times we live in. While this is only a small change and there have been much larger shifts in the past few years, I have maintained the belief that the US is at risk of slowly slipping into corporate totalitarianism for some time now. \n\nThis has absolutely noting to do with helping small content creators and has everything to do with pushing their own narrative and agenda.",
"But that is a lie. Its only you thinking that. The whole concept of Likes or Dislikes is the exact same reasoning behind 5 star reviews. Its %100 meaningless to the content that is shown.\n\nIt was all made under a lie, it was sold by a company long ago and every damn company does it now as a way to ADVERTISE. You really think every amazon product has such high ratings?\n\nSay what you want about how scumming it is to inflate good standings in ranking, but they are just taking advantage of the whole flawed system.\n\nI mean do you really want to trust the 5 star system or Like or Dislike based on peoples OPINIONS than facts? People give 1 star reviews to things because they don't understand what it is for ffs. One of the top selling items right now as a review of 1 star, its the top liked review, and it starts off with \"I haven't got it yet, but..\" Really..\n\nThe problem with the system is pretty obvious, while a video may be great, even right in explaining say a car review, a single thing in the video will make it a bad review. One video of the exact same car could be right on every point, but its just a basic video..the other video is of a well known reviewer, but doesn't do the car justice but gets %50 more likes. That is why the system if flawed.\n\nNow put in youtube algorithms, and it even further messes with it, it promotes the most views, not content.",
"You know why that is? Because guess how places like youtube and others discourage them..they control the servers, the incentive for Amazon or google to host is not going to be playing nice. It costs a lot of do that stuff, and when trying to compete it gets worse.\n\nSure they got alternatives, but they don't exactly scream reliable for every person around the globe.",
"That is one of the problems i wish youtube would fix, i see no problems removing all the copied videos from other users. Same with google search. I was trying to figure out something with computer, and 8 million results on google..all was videos showing basic knowledge of PC related stuff that has no reason being in it.",
"oh wow, sooner than I thought",
"wouldn't really work for niche problems. I for example look for work arounds/fixes to 3D asset workflows, those video might get like 100/300 views but only a handful of likes/dislikes. if a video is good you might get like 14 likes and obligatory 6-ish dislikes, if it's bad you get 20/30 dislikes and that's enough to know that its probably waste of time. now, its its a damn mystery and you just have to suffer though a video with some dude with terrible microphone tell you things you already know or misrepresent them completely as if they are improvising",
"nah, just put dislikes back",
"The API these extensions use to get the dislike counts are going have the dislike count removed as well, so unfortunately this is only a temporary fix.",
"If I am perfectly honest, I've never even glanced at the likes/dislikes on a video, which is why I have so many questions about all of this. I have never used youtube to learn something like database management where the information could have an impact on my life or career, so it wasn't something I thought about. I pretty much watch comedy podcasts (but also, shout out to Ghost Town Living, Essential Craftsmen, and Bad Obsession Motorsports, haha!). Anyway, I have always used it almost entirely for entertainment, (I tend to learn best with books, which I suppose is strange these days). But your reply is shedding a lot of light on why everyone hates this, so I really appreciate it. \n\nI have one more questions if you have the time: What do you think is going to happen? Are people going to just start using browser extensions like the one in the OP video? Is that a good solution? Are content creators going to leave Youtube altogether? \n\nAt any rate,",
"But then its visible that they disabled it because they know its a trash video",
"youtube seriously need more competition...",
"A lot of science channel get hit by them for various reasons,yet crap like Tromp Tromp keeps making the top of the list.",
"More money in the short term until people get sick of their shit and leave the platform. Short term profits over long term longevity. People get their bonuses and the company goes bankrupt. Capitalism at its finest.",
"You would still have a majority of people not using the extensions and lesser viewed content would have very little to go off of unfortunately",
"Then you have a horrendously weak imagination.",
"Sure. I'm just saying that competition isn't the silver bullet for this situation. It isn't going to push things in the direction you would hope.",
"Alright who’s up for a new youtube",
"Man I wish there was a good alternative platform",
"Could this really happen?",
"I don't see why not.",
"Mmm feels to me like one of those things that if it were possible, it would have happened already. But i am in a position of ignorance. I'd like to see it",
"Nope, because I use uBlocker Origins, like any sensible person that values their sanity",
"Get uBlocker Origins for PC and YouTube Vanced for Android.",
"Actually, there's a sister extension for Firefox in which you can whitelist certain channels, and in those, ads will show.",
"I must admit I’ve never disliked anything on the internet. I mean why bother.",
"Does YouTube not favor highly liked videos above unliked ones in their results and recommendations? Seems to me that as long as YouTube knows which videos people dislike and adjusts visibility accordingly, it’s still valuable.",
"Feel like this is a good reason for people - creator and consumer alike - to migrate to Odysee",
"Terrible terrible terrible terrible terrible idea.",
"They have it backwards - it's to protect the feelings and reputation of cable news creators who get their youtube clips downvoted into oblivion.",
"It just needs to become a new standard that there should be a comment on every video that just says \"dislike\" and people can upvote that comment. I know its not a fix because comments can be deleted and upvoted comments get cycled in and out but at least its something.",
"Yes.",
"You can at least read the comments",
"It's not about politics at all, or about stupid shit like disliking cats or lighting. It's just a bad decision.",
"That's how you mine the karma.",
"The reason they gave wasn't that they wouldn't see downvotes it was that some people downvote because they think it's funny and a sort of game to see how many downvotes they can get it to so if they can't see the number they would lose interest and not downvote.",
"No, that's not a big factor.",
"If you want to be more spammy you can start commenting \"Like\" as well.",
"I can still see the dislike count and haven't done anything to make that happen. \n\nAs for looking at dislikes to tell if the video is good...I've never done that. I just watch the video and if it sucks I pick something else.",
"If we could get a major news media source that was interested in covering news from a non biased position, that would be a great start. Reporters and networks are more interested in making friends in Washington, than they are in holding their feet to the fire. We also need major campaign finance reform. Corporate money needs to be completely removed from both parties. Term limits need to be instituted for congress. And finally, Senators and members of congress need to have their investments frozen once they start their terms. There's way too much insider trading going on that goes completely unchecked.",
"Only on comments. Posts/submissions never go below 0. The one I linked above is at 49% upvoted (more downvotes than upvotes) and yet still says 0.",
"I can see dislikes when I switch accounts.",
"It was enough for the to got rid of the star system, now this.",
"Media bias is problematic, but so is tech censorship. I see a lot of people claim that tech giants censoring certain groups isn't 'technically censorship' because it's not state sponsored, but they have de facto control over the main ways people communicate these days.",
"It's your livelihood not mine :). Maybe complain to your boss YouTube.\n\nYouTube's claim was that it was for the benefit of it's content creators. So we'll see how that works out.",
"After the API stops they can get dislikes directly from creators and then they can use the fetched data to train a model to infer the dislikes based on the ration views/likes",
"\"how to speed up your computer, delete system 32 \" I agree such bullshit no way to know what is fake or good now. \"drink bleach to cure covid\" Well no dislikes must be true!",
"Is that really the only reason they have?",
"1: youtube isnt the boss of any content creator. Its a marriage of convenience, at best. And a fairly abusive relationship a lot of the time.\n\n2: if you think youtube listens to creators you're fooling yourself.\n\n3: we are complaining. We didnt ask for this.",
"Wishful thinking.\n\nKnowing how many videos are uploaded to youtube every minute you'll likely end up with something like > 0.001 coverage.\n\nAlso do you think people who produce shitty content will participate in donating data?",
"I have a very niche topic lol it takes more than dropping links and channel names to really get any traction lol",
"In the video the guy said that it's likely that those channels won't offer data, but that alone can be an indication of shitty content. Also, I think even if they index the likes/dislikes/views ratio for 0.1% of the videos, it's a large enough number to train an accurate model to predict dislikes when they disappear entirely\n\nOf course none of those solutions is perfect but at least it offers some acceptable solution. Frankly, we need an alternative platform because YT is shit",
"No I don't and I don't care. Like/dislike ratio is important and has nothing to do with politics. Too many dislikes on a computer troubleshooting video, car repair, whatever, is a red flag and it's important. I've seen people peddle spyware and other malware, give dangerous advice, etc. and the only indication that something was wrong was the like/dislike ratio because they delete comments.\n\nYou're objectively wrong.",
"I'd tend to agree with needing an alternative.\n\nThe proposition is mammoth though, and would not be cheap. I think there are maybe a handful of tech companies that could pull it off at scale.",
"totes. scam videos will take advantage of it",
"That's pretty neat.",
"Gladly stop using YouTube. Google had become such a shit company",
"I'm sorry that YouTube has such a dominant platform that you are forced to go along with their crap.\n\nI don't think I'll change my behavior yet.",
"Yeah.... we can't even get most people on board with ending vertical videos. This dude is huffing bath salts if he thinks that users will be \"fetching data to train a model to infer the dislikes based on the ration views/likes\" as a mainstream practice. Tom Scott type videos? Absolutely.",
"Plenty of creators with no coding literacy putting out good content.",
"I can't tell if this video is a scam because there is no dislike bar\n\nironic.",
"Why do you want people who aren't the content creator to see the dislikes?\n\nIt seems to me that most people just want it to be a tool for harassment campaigns. They want their sycophantic fanbase to be able to go, \"Hey, look! Radio'd! wee!\" and cum in each other's hands. Thus encouraging the behavior to be repeated.\n\nif you think the dislike ratio was ever used as a reliable, objective review system, you're either a fool or a liar.\n\nSince when did you respect yelpers, reddit?",
"It's literally the only game in town. If you wanna publish videos where there is a large enough audience to make it worth the effort, it's youtube or nothing",
"How do we boycott youtube? Simple, don't use the fucking platform.",
"I think the group of people that are willing to comment on YouTube are more crazy than the group of people that are willing to interact with the like and dislike buttons.",
"But this will work only untill December 13th :/ Read the description on github man.",
"What's stopping these small creators from just disabling it themselves in that case?? Why take the option away??? Fuck youtube for this",
"Don't give Amazon any ideas.",
"next week, YouTube will mail out to all creators the coveted \" Participation Award \"",
"tbh yt takes a while to roll stuff out so theyve probably been sitting on this for a while now. but personally i put it on the advertisers and the general homogenization of the internet as whole - i dont really believe the nintendo thing my little monkey brain just refuses to let the connection go lol",
"It's OK for products to be rated on Amazon and other platform; but when it comes to media, they want to control it. Soon they may remove the comment section too. A video is just a product that mojority used rate its quality. Now you can't rely on others experience to save time and find quality content. The like button alone doesn't mean shit.",
"> Cancer \n\n?",
"Removing the dislike button is such sinister act, it means to confuse people. Just like we rely on people's experience and learn from it when buying a product from Amazon, we also do the same when we try to consume a YouTube media product. They make a platform so big, then make free and accessible to everyone, once everyone is in, it's over. TV days were easy to control, no peasant can have their own show or express their thoughs and demonstrate their skill and intelligence.",
"Removing the dislike button is such sinister act, it means to confuse people. Just like we rely on people's experience and learn from it when buying a product from Amazon, we also do the same when we try to consume a YouTube media product. They make a platform so big, then make free and accessible to everyone, once everyone is in, it's over. TV days were easy to control, no peasant can have their own show or express their thoughs and demonstrate their skill and intelligence.",
"Removing the dislike button is such sinister act, it means to confuse people. Just like we rely on people's experience and learn from it when buying a product from Amazon, we also do the same when we try to consume a YouTube media product. They make a platform so big, then make free and accessible to everyone, once everyone is in, it's over. TV days were easy to control, no peasant can have their own show or express their thoughs and demonstrate their skill and intelligence",
"Removing the dislike button is such sinister act, it means to confuse people. Just like we rely on people's experience and learn from it when buying a product from Amazon, we also do the same when we try to consume a YouTube media product. They make a platform so big, then make free and accessible to everyone, once everyone is in, it's over. TV days were easy to control, no peasant can have their own show or express their thoughs and demonstrate their skill and intelligence",
"YouTube is a video streaming monopoly! Bring back the dislike button!",
"So, youtube will not listen the users, the only way they will listen us is by forcing them, what about if we do a campaign like \"72 hours without youtube\" where anyone uses it, they will lose a lot of money.",
"Relate so hard to this. I'm learning piano in quarantine right now and the like/dislike ratio used to be a very reliable way of finding good learning resources, now it's trial and error.",
"I don't understand how is this legal? Youtube has grown so big that it can practically be considered public space now. The fact that they can just remove people's right to voice like this just baffles me. The worse part is that there is nothing we can do about it.",
"I guess that's fair, I just personally never cared about like/dislike ratio. It's not like misinformation never gets high like counts.",
"Bit late, but came here to say this. Now when I look up some tutorial or tips on something, I'll just look for big channels with views and some reputation already established instead of the quicker and simpler vids made by smaller creators. Because I don't have the like-dislike ratio anymore, so I have no idea what I'm in for whatsoever.",
"It's too inaccurate",
"Guys, just watched the COD infinite warfare trailer. Amazing how so many people loved it, I don't understand why they stopped going sci-fi after such a success. You can clearly see from the likes that people wanted more of it.",
"Seems like a breeding ground for disaster. Not only does it affect tutorials and DIY's, but silencing voices only makes them find a way to scream louder. \n\nWon't let people hit the dislike button? They'll probably flood the comments. Delete the comments? They'll probably start making videos about shite YT content creators that people should avoid. Or messaging them. Strike their video or block them? They'll probably create more bloody sites/forums/sub-reddits dedicated to listing YT channels that people should never watch. They'll find the content creators on other platforms where they're allowed to post their warning to others and tell audiences \"this person gives dangerous advice\". Just seems counter-productive.",
"As long as the disaster doesn't happen on Youtube in public view, it's a win for Youtube. It's someone else's problem now.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDon't fall for the \"We care about xyz\" sweet talks from anyone, what they care about is their image. In this case, they'd rather be viewed with slight annoyance, rather than being dragged into some big drama.",
"Why try to make a change for the better when you can just download an addon and pretend Google isn't fucking you in the ass?",
"> Or messaging them.\n\nYouTube discontinued private messages about two years ago.",
"That’s some bs, anyway to put the dislikes back maybe within the app?",
"got an extension to show the dislikes. whoever decided to do this is a major dumbass who did it only for the money by shitty large corps who don't know how to market and have bad pr",
"Yeah, I fully agree here. I use Youtube to find information on repairs - my $200+ headphones which I've never purchased as fancy of a pair before have some issues with the wire and I've been researching repairs on it. I'm completely new at electrical or wiring work and I've found some great smaller videos.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nHow do I know if they are saying the right technique? I have no idea. I guess I can't use Youtube anymore for this.",
"Do they have brain tumor? 21k likes? Like come on dude! You serious? If that ain't shit, I don't know what is....\nLemme guess, all collective members from all big companies including few knuckleheads, shills and geniuses from other world (one that works upside down). And those few who are fine and think that this decision was really helpful, I am sorry, but you need to grow up. If you can't handle few criticism, few hate and few toxic people, you shouldn't be presenting yourself to audience to begin with.",
"I really hate that I can't see dislikes anymore. It makes me angry to spend my time on video that is a bullshit.",
"no",
"Dissenting opinions should not be censored.",
"Nothing is a consistent or accurate indicator of quality of a piece of content except the content itself. Particularly because \"quality\" is subjective. By your reasoning, we should stop reading reviews for anything, because they're not always consistent or accurate.\n\nDislikes are one aspect of judging a YouTube video, just like comments, word-of-mouth, uploader's reputation and subscriber count, etc. They also happen to be a surface-level filter to guage the content with. Just because they're surface-level does not mean that they serve no purpose. I don't have time to look through the comments of 25 videos on the search results page just to find a quick fix. Not to mention, comments are under the creator's full control and they shape the narrative there, which only adds to my skepticism about the video. None of this helps either the creator or me.\n\nIf your claim is that dislikes are too surface-level to judge a video, then I can also claim that comments are too surface-level and opinionated to do the same, and that one should do a thorough research on each video they want to watch if they want to judge it without watching. Because, you see, a comment \"pre-biases and peer pressures viewers to have certain opinions on videos before they even watch.\"\n\nSee how stupid that sounds?\n\nAlso, your claim that dislike indicator only works \"SOMETIMES\" is very shaky. Especially when so many people disagree with you and you don't have a source.",
"> If a tool has failed as a valuable tool for public feedback \n\nIt has a very low rate of failure. I cannot back it up with sources, but neither can you.\n\n> because they go into detail about what is actually wrong.\n\nLmao, have you seen YouTube comments? Up until a few years ago we used to make fun of them. r/youtubecomments. Regardless, you don't need to stray far to see that even with comments people find ways to spew hate and say nothing of value. Just look at reddit.\n\n> It's more effort, but it's worth it because we shouldn't have been flat out trusting those counters in the first place.\n\nSo why should we flat out trust comments? Particularly when the creator of the video can spam pin only the desirable comments and remove critiquing comments, not to mention bots.",
"Your false equivalence for comments doesn't work because comments are an inherently more detailed expression of people's opinion. You can read a YouTube comment and gauge if it's well written and if it is, then it's more likely to be worthwhile. But you have no idea looking at a like or dislike understanding where it's coming from. There is no way to qualify it like you can a written review.",
"Are you intentionally ignoring the part where creators can artificially craft a certain narrative in the comments by pinning and banning, which can’t be done with likes and dislikes? Most comments are not detailed to begin with, and the one that are detailed could be the only ones the creator wants us to see.",
"Then banning needs to be fixed and revised. It doesn't mean that comments are automatically worse by nature.",
"Yeah, just like dislikes are not worse by nature. The real problem is people. Removing dislikes does not help the marginalised as much as YT is making it out to be.",
"Well no, I think dislikes are worse by nature because they're less informative. They are a distillation of sentiment to the least common denominator.\n\nI will say that for me personally, the last few weeks without a dislike counter have been super chill. It's kinda liberating just...forming your own opinions on shit without having it at all influenced by a counter below. Was also a big reason I got off of most social media.",
"The whole point of likes/dislikes is to form opinion on a video, if only temporarily. Judging whether I should spend time watching this video or not is the whole point of metrics like dislikes. Same goes for other metrics like views and subscriber count. So the fact that you're forming your opinions by watching the videos is irrelevant to the discussion. Because we are talking about methods of forming opinion *without* watching the video. And gauging dislikes, precisely because they are a distillation of sentiment (just like comments, might I add, only more distilled) is one of those methods.\n\nIf you want people to form their opinions by watching videos, say that. But know that it is unenforceable, because it is irrational to ask someone to judge whether a video is worth their time by literally spending said time.",
"Then we're at an impasse there. Because right now I think one of the biggest problems with society as a whole is a lot of people have stopped looking at primary sources and forming their own opinions on them. We've grown extremely dependent on forming our opinions around others' opinions, and priming ourselves to think a certain way before observing and judging on our own. Maybe if we had a genuine way of seeing if something is worth our time to watch, but likes/dislikes are not a good metric for that.\n\nIf you think it's important that we form opinions on stuff we aren't even watching...then that's on you.\n\nBut to me, requiring or expecting this...\n\n>Because we are talking about methods of forming opinion *without* watching the video.\n\n...I think that sounds unequivocally dystopian.",
"I feel like I should clarify that I was not trying to be dystopian in any sense. Quite the opposite; I was talking about videos like reviews, tutorials, gameplays, etc. that have the potential to prop up a misleading image to make you click on the video. These kinds of videos are also sought after through the search bar, making it impossible to watch every single video. That's what I mean by forming opinions, deciding whether or not this video will fulfill my needs or waste my time. I shouldn't have to actually waste my time to decide whether it is going to waste my time, that is irrational.\n\nAs for people forming opinions on more serious matters without doing research, that is a problem as old as time. We're not going to solve it by removing the dislike button. It's such a huge problem that this is not even going to make a dent. You're just inconveniencing people for whom this worked perfectly well, which is a large number of people, as you can tell by the backlash. Doesn't make a dent + inconveniencing a large number of people = stupid decision."
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Return Dislikes on Youtube
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https://youtu.be/hIwDYhGcrL4
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/r/videos/comments/r5i3eb/comparing_spiderman_directorial_styles_sam_raimi/
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[
"It might be less about directorial style, and more about how special-effects evolved.",
"Well the music choice and visuals are director controlled. Notice how Tom Holland Spiderman director style has no long scenes like these. Cause that director doesn't care about highlighting webslinging. He'll just do it in combat or use it as a screenwipe with a pop song playing.\n\nCompletely different style",
"Shots have been getting shorter for decades.\n\n\nhttps://www.wired.com/2014/09/cinema-is-evolving/\n\n>\"The average shot length of English language films has declined from about 12 seconds in 1930 to about 2.5 seconds today\"\n\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3485803/\n\nhttps://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/10640/why-do-films-have-more-cuts-than-they-did-20-years-ago",
"Webb's Spiderman swinging is more realistic, has really nice touches (like showing him climbing the web mid-swing to get higher), and is directed better (much cooler shots and music).\n\nRaimi's is classic, majestic. A product of its time really.\n\nThe Home trilogy - I can't recall the web-swinging scenes at all. It's a shame that the MCU seemingly doesn't treat this aspect of Spiderman as important as the others.",
"The end of Far From Home has some web swinging: https://youtu.be/0gRUxK\\_Bses?t=59",
"Raimi’s version holds up better than I thought against the newer stuff. The physics seem to be good in some places, and less good in others."
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Comparing Spiderman directorial styles: Sam Raimi (Magical, Majestic) and Mark Webb (Sporty, Realism)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZ3F3zWiEmc
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/r/videos/comments/r5irlr/the_art_market_is_a_scam_and_rich_people_run_it/
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[
"Never would’ve guessed wealthy people; who have 99 percent of all the money in the world, have control over most of the money in the world.",
"Ya don't say lol",
"I know it since I read that [this blue painting](https://www.wikiart.org/en/barnett-newman/onement-vi-1953) sold for $43.8 million dollars",
"It's the same deal with graded collectables.",
"Not nearly as classist as linking a paywalled news article on a reddit thread",
"Yes, it is an Ivan Blitko. So we have, in this area, these very geometric shapes, in these very bold colors here, and then the thick black lines are coming here, always drawing the eye to here, and then, over everything... just blue. Just layer after layer after layer of pure blue. Until you can see nothing of the painting below.",
"Don't I know it.\n\nI bought this painting from a guy named Redd. He was hyping it up and said he would give me the family discount. \n\nOnly when I took it to my local museum to donate it, they would not accept it and told me it was fake. \n\nNow I have this non refundable piece of art hanging in my house I do not know what to do with.",
"It doesn't ask for money in my country. Didn't know that. Edited the link",
"“The ______ market is a scam. (And rich people run it” \n\nThere is no part of our economy that isn’t exploitive. It’s a core component of capitalism.",
"In a vast unregulated art market, once a bid is accepted, a value is set. The people that know the least about art are the one's setting the price.",
"And it's the rich people who are buying and selling said art, so fuck em",
"I had the same thing at my local museum. It's really the last straw because nobody else in town seems to be contributing anything to display. All the work I've done and I get laughed out the door holding my counterfeit artwork.",
">nobody else in town seems to be contributing \n\nI am like the only one who wants bridges and stairs in my town. Nobody ever contributes anything.",
"The World is a Scam\n(And Rich People Run It)",
"Yes because in other systems, exploitation never occurred.",
"Side note, what's up with the super annoying trend of this kind of diction. I peace-out of a video when I hear someone using this forced accent, I find it extremely off-putting.",
"Hey wtf, what if I become rich some day?!?",
"Bad argument",
"Nope. People are exploitive. Not systems. And exploitation has occurred in massive levels in every system. There is nothing unique in capitalism as is pertains to exploitation.",
"Yeah, bad argument, yeti wasn't saying capitalism invented exploitation, yeti said that exploitation is an integral component of capitalism (it is). The fact that feudalism was also exploitative does not negate their point\n\nYour trying to abstract it to be about \"people being exploitative\" is just dumb, what do you think a social system is? How does capitalism exist without the /people/ that make it run? Just foolish",
">Yeah, bad argument, yeti wasn't saying capitalism invented exploitation, yeti said that exploitation is an integral component of capitalism (it is). The fact that feudalism was also exploitative does not negate their point\n\nIf it is, then it is in every system. But it’s not. There’s nothing inherently exploitive about capitalism, that’s not present in any other system. Just saying that there is, isn’t an argument.",
"Well Yeti also wasn't arguing, simply observing, you brought that energy bc you got triggered that someone might possibly critique capitalism",
"Huh, like you got triggered to respond to my comment that wasn’t even directed at you? Interesting",
"Nah just bored, like telling reddit guys to give their balls a tug"
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The Art Market is a Scam (And Rich People Run It)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCjIiY2sGDA
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/r/videos/comments/r5j1pc/10_minutes_of_900_numbers_from_the_80s_your/
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[
"I remember so many of these! Never called any tho :-/",
"That colorful poster from He-Man sure is colorful! [(2:22)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCjIiY2sGDA&t=142s)",
"*you're",
"man thanks for sharing, some of those I remember some I never knew existed. The 900 CRY, what the fuck that shit looked funny. Freddy Kruger was played before the tv show they had made as well."
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10 minutes of 900 numbers from the 80s. Your welcome.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtuAn2hXXmE
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/r/videos/comments/r5jr2n/call_of_duty_mobile_scouts_rise_up/
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[
"Garbage",
"which game do you prefer? don`t tell me its pubg",
"Mobile games are all garbage. I prefer games that arent littered with microtransactions and paywalls.",
"partially agree but being busy with other stuff sometimes it is okay to play game on mobile when you know you cannot get enough time to play games on other consoles"
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Call of Duty Mobile Scout`s Rise Up
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r5k8pw/deleted_by_user/
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/r/videos/comments/r5k8pw/deleted_by_user/
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[
"I can't play the video because my wife is asleep next to me. What year did this happen?",
"2010",
"Hmmmm I believe that he may have stayed at Jamie Foxx's house, but slept on a couch? I'm sure a man as successful and wealthy as Jamie Foxx has a spare bedroom.",
"He does say it was before he had is big crib.",
"Bollox!! Jamie Foxx doesn't have a spare bedroom. Away and boil yer tatties ya diddy",
"Oh baby when you talk like that, you make a woman go mad, c'est Yama, eh custa, get your hands on my body.",
"Jings, crivens ya wee bastart",
"🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣"
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[deleted by user]
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https://youtu.be/1nvNmNoFIa8
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/r/videos/comments/r5m2oy/rush_subdivisions_snake_and_arrows_tour_what_an/
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[
"Imagine how popular they could have been if they had gotten a vocalist.",
"One of the greatest bands ever. Was lucky to see them twice at the end of their careers",
"I saw them in 2010 and my jaw is still on the floor where I left it",
"My favourite band ever. I was crushed when I heard Peart had passed.",
"Did they have a weird stage item that tour? One of the ones I caught they had a stack of rotisserie ovens in the back and from time to time someone would come out and check on the rotating chickens.",
"Back in the early 90's, I was going to college in Welland On, just across from Buffalo. \n\nA local Buffalo radio station that we all listened to ran a contest of singer vs. singer. That day they asked who's a better singer Geddy Lee or Steve Perry of Journey.\n\nThe rest of the day the DJ kept begging people to stop calling in. He was getting threats and all kinds of shit. \n\nHis mea culpa was \"Ok, OK I get it, Geddy wins please calm down\".\n\nThe moral of the story...you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about lol.",
"RIP Neil, this is a great read if you haven’t seen it yet:\n\n[The Spirit of Neil Peart](https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/neil-peart-rush-dead-cover-story-1110496/)",
"I know exactly what I am talking about, because my comment was just an inside joke about how dumb Rush fans are. Literally the most pretentious nerd music fandom around.",
"[edgy...](https://media.giphy.com/media/Fml0fgAxVx1eM/giphy.gif)",
"I mean, picking on a population of people who are very much on the spectrum is more akin to bullying, but sure.",
"Still have my concert t-shirt from the Signals tour. My favorite band. Signals was released 3 days before I turned 15. I remember walking to the record store and spending my birthday cash for it and just pouring over the lyrics. Neil really knew how to convey the anxieties of growing up. I always felt a special connection to him because we shared the same birthday and even though I'm a guitar player, he's always been my biggest influence(40 years strong), both musically and emotionally(through his lyrics). Rest in peace Professor.\n\n25 shows for me going back to 1981.",
"If you had to put this song on Moving Pictures, would you replace something or make this an addition? Either way, where would it go sequence-wise?",
"Be cool or be cast out.",
"I love the little Stonehenge paper weight. Very spinal tap.",
"Rush is just so fucking amazing",
"Same here. I saw them twice during the snakes and arrows tour but sadly they didn't play closer to the heart either show : /",
"Were they already playing Subdivisions live when they released Moving Pictures?",
"Imagine being so petty and bored that you come to a post about a now-ended band with a legendary group of artists, one of whom died recently, and just shitting on their fans. You need to find some kind of a better purpose my friend, because you're looking like a really bad person here.",
"Recently? Almost two years ago man, calm down. I'm not \"shitting on their fans\", I made a joke about Geddy's godawful singing, and of course, the libertarian nerd squad freaked out, as predicted. The irony in a Rush fan talking about \"finding better purpose\" is lost on you, so I won't make that joke either, but maybe take a joke, nerdddddddd.",
"Peart's playing is somehow MORE precise in this performance than on the recorded version. I guess 25 extra years of practice will do that. \n\nAlso, I could be wrong, but I swear I saw a woman in the crowd!",
"Two years isn't a lot of time to pass when someone dies. I feel bad for you, I hope things in your life get better.",
"I told someone just earlier today, I’m a guitarist and I worship Neil Peart",
"My life is great, thanks. I am having a delightful time. I am praying you recover from whatever illness makes people have mediocre taste in music.",
"When I saw them for Snakes and Arrows they opened with an absolutely crushingggggggg opening lick to Limelight.",
"Signals is my favorite Rush album.. I know i'm in the minority, but that album just hits the right spot for me",
"So much art in the decades of music they created. I love every genre:\nthe nerdy Caress of Steel, the powerful and timeless 2112, the mainstream Moving Pictures, all of their keyboard-heavy stuff in the 80's (totally redeemed by some of the best lyrics Peart ever wrote), and right up to their last albums. There's so much shit packed into all of it. And to top if all off, they were all three great guys who had a great friendship with one another.",
"I can't EVER tell if Neil Peart enjoyed drumming or just somehow got stuck with that job like how someone else might get stuck working in an office job they don't like... lol",
"christ OP, easy with the douchey title there",
"Simply the best",
"> Also, I could be wrong, but I swear I saw a woman in the crowd!\n\n[That was just Paul Rudd's girlfriend](https://youtu.be/TOCaL6TUI3s)",
"The fact that 3 guys could make such amazing music has always impressed me about Rush. A true power Trio!",
"I was at this show in New Orleans",
"The only three piece band in history with four pieces. Geddy ~~playing~~ shredding the bass AND playing keys AND singing is one of the most ridiculously skilled things I will ever see. Incredible.",
"this was one of the tours they did that at. Start the video and you can see the chickens in the first few seconds",
"LoL my same thought. Dude looks like he’s reading a work email.",
"~~Thanks for the comment~~",
"I saw them on that tour also (might have been the first time I saw them live), Primus opened. Such a wacky juxtaposition, but awesome shows from both the opening act and the headliner.",
"This is the song that lit the fire for me…still get chills when I hear those opening chords. Tears in my eyes as I write this.",
"anytime brah, anytime",
"2:33 sounds like MegaMan music",
"Listening to Subdivisions as a nerdy D&D teen helped convince me that I wasn't totally alone and misunderstood. \n\nHere was this song written before I was born, and it was 100% about me. It made me realize that not only was I not alone, but made me wonder just how many other people had listened to these same lyrics and felt the same way.",
"You can't expect a goat to appreciate art.",
"I think he's a perfectionist, and just super concentrating on what he's doing. Where maybe some musicians are freestyling and \"grooving\", Peart is \"executing\".",
"I slappa da bass!",
"Seeing videos of Rush concerts always crushes me.\n\nAbout five years ago I read Ready Player One and as a result, listened to Rush - who I'd basically never listened to - and fell in love with their music. The 2112 album is AMAZING.\n\nI wanted so badly to go see them in concert, but it was at the tail end of their 2015 tour, and was hoping \"Ok, next time they tour, I'm going!\" Sadly, Neil Peart died before I had the chance, so now I'm kicking myself for not being able to see their live performance. I watched a documentary about the band after Neil died, and they were all very clear that they would never replace a member and never do a tour without all of them there.",
"Ah man this got me thinking about what a great night that was.\n\nSo my one buddy and I hear about the concert and tickets. I was employed at the moment so I offered to buy us the tickets then and he would provide transport gas and recreational substances.\n\nLiterally 12AM the morning of the concert he texts me and says he can't get the car. I'm currently unemployed, with no gas in my car and it's a 4hr dr.\n\nAround 12:30 my rage subsided and I decided to walk over to another buddie's house, a common party spot.\n\nSure enough I found three members of the tribe polishing off a glass jug of shitty wine. I made arrangements with one of them that the ticket was his for a full tank of gas in my car and a contribution to the recreational substances fund. \n\nWe celebrate our new business venture briefly and I go home to prepare for the day. I pick up my bud and he did proved to be a worthy travelling companion.\n\nWe got the hockey rink the concert was being held at and held a very very low rent recreation of the briefcase scene from *Fear and Loathing*.\n\nIn addition to the standard left handers, he had acquired a small bag of Canadian pizza hold the pepperoni, bacon, cheese, sauce and crust.\n\nThe trouble was we timed them wrong/they had a fuse and they didn't really start to kick in until the last third of the concert.\n\nSo the concert ends and we mill about because the traffic is brutal and we're pretty recreational at the moment. \n\nOnce we got a little closer to reality (in responsible retrospect not close enough) we noticed there were still three lanes of cars leaving the arena, 2 long ones and 1 short one. So of course we went to the short lane.\n\nTurns out the short lane was locals going home on surface streets, and the long lanes were to the highway (doy 4hr road trip).\n\nSo we started following traffic around for a bit, until we found ourselves in what we briefly pondered aloud to be purgatory.\n\nIt was a large area of cookie cutter subdivisions, and once we got into the development we didn't see another living thing. \n\nNot a person through a window, not a person on the sidewalk, no vehicles on the street nothing! And every sub subdivision was just a complete ctrl c ctrl v that it was freaky, the landscaping, the houses, the cars, the stillness. \n\nThe only thing that was different was an unending stream of neighborhood signs announcing each sub sub division.\n\n*Neighborhood Meadows*\n\n*Neighborhood Green*\n\n*Neighborhood Downs*\n\n*Neighborhood Fields*\n\n*Neighborhood Falls*\n\nAnd on and on and on.\n\nThis was just before the mass adoption of smart phones, I had a cell but no Google maps, no idea where we were, no idea how to get out. \n\nI don't know how long it took but eventually we decided to wake another friend up to look up directions.\n\n...Turned out we just kept messing one particular right hand exit out of a round-a-bout to get out of the maze. The rest of the drive was uneventful.",
"[ **Jump to 02:33 @** Rush - Subdivisions - Snake and Arrows Tour](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvNmNoFIa8&t=0h2m33s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Andres Burbano, Video Popularity: 98.41%, Video Length: [07:19])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@02:28](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nvNmNoFIa8&t=0h2m28s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)",
"I thoroughly enjoy Rush every time all the time. Real Rock.",
"I was blessed to see them in 2010. Amazing guys",
"Oh, the (achievement of) humanity!",
"Neil Peart is what always made this song incredible for me. He absolutely kills it on the studio version and every live version I’ve ever seen. His drumming was so technical and made the music much more exciting. RIP",
"And nothing has changed since then.",
"That's.Just.3.Guys.",
"I was at the concert in the video, never saw the barbie dolls that alex has in front of him though. That's hilarious",
"*Subdivisions* is my husband's favorite Rush song. He saw them twice and they didn't play it either time. He's bummed forever.",
"I always thought the voice saying \"Subdivisions\" sounded like the voice from Mortal Kombat. I keep thinking he is about to say \"Sub Zero wins.\"",
"Primus recently did a full tribute of A Farewell to Kings",
"I wish more women liked them lol \n\n\nThey’re so incredible but they even make fun of the fact that their fan base is 100% likely single white males haha",
"He's surrounded by drums. He literally can't escape. So that makes sense.",
"My favorite song of all",
"I feel like such a dick for not liking Rush. I can clearly see that they are top tier musicians, but their songs and Getty Lee's voice I just find annoying.",
"there are dozens of us!",
"His mom said the same thing to him and he replied (paraphrasing) 'Its really complicated music and requires my full attention\"",
"Are those rotisserie chickens behind Geddy? And if so, why?",
"Moving Pictures needs to hold a place in the Smithsonian not just the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. The ingenious lyrics of this song, Vital Signs, Tom Sawyer, etc. And the instrumentals (obvious mention of YYZ) as well as Geddy's vocals is peak music.",
"Hey I’m a married white man. \n\nCheck out Lost In Vegas and Jamel_aka_jamal on YouTube. Both channels do reactions to a lot of Rush songs, and they both absolutely love them. It’s a different perspective from the single white male.",
"It's \"Geddy.\" Getty is a museum in LA.\n\nAnd it's OK. Music is subjective and you like what you like. No point in forcing an emotional response.",
"Yes. It was a stage prop. On a different tour, he had dryers and a roadie sporadically showed up to feed quarters to the machines.",
"Dozens of hundreds of thousands!!",
"I love Rush\n\nOPs title is still too much\n\nlots of fandoms have extreme fans who would drink the piss of their leaders.",
"Everyone is a drummer at a Rush concert!",
"Yeah, I think the bands are pretty close personally, or at the very least Primus (mainly Les) are hugely inspired by Rush.\n\nI saw the concert and it was great (as with most Primus shows), and I’m not super familiar with Rush, but they ended with Cygnus X-1 Book One, and it might’ve been the best live song performance I’ve ever heard. Last minute or two was insane.",
"It’s ok dude. I hate 99% of the most popular music.",
"I saw them on the R30 tour and again on the Snakes and Arrows tour. They were stunning both times. *Signals*, *Vapor Trails*, *Power Windows*, *Grace Under Pressure*, and *Counterparts* broadly (and \"Subdivisions\", \"Everyday Glory\", \"Nobody's Hero\", and \"Middletown Dreams\" in particular) helped me a whole fuck of a lot in high school, particularly with coming out of the closet, having respect for myself and for others around me, and believing that I could matter even in small ways.\n\nRIP Neil Peart and thank you to the band that changed my life. There was absolutely no one like them.",
"Geddy doesn't use an dedicated amp stack, instead he uses something called a sans amp that connects directly to the PA system of the arena. \n\nThe always have some sort of crazy set dec on his side to balance the composition of the stage.\n\n Sometimes it was chicken, sometimes laundry, I think a popcorn maker once...",
"Tom Hanks needs to play Neil Peart in a biopic.",
"Well said mate",
"Absolutely. Looks pretty much just like him",
"Well, Neil is playing with both of his hands so closer to 4 guys.",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkQydoiDY28",
"you right you right",
"My favorite opening band for Rush is \n\nRush.",
"Wait... was Rush only 3 guys? Uh...what?!",
"Time Machine Tour? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Machine_Tour",
"yup, Geddy Lee, Alex Lifeson, and Neil Peart",
"I guess I just don't get it.",
"I would say its increasingly common especially very recently for band members to be juggling a few instruments and/or have their laptops out too. My favorite currently touring examples are Sunsquabi and STS9. Every member in STS9 has at least a few instruments in front of them except their bassist, and her bass even has midi controls in her fretboard somehow. Music just keeps getting crazier.",
"Respect to the man putting his all into it.\n\nThe Drummer from one of my favourite bands: Khruangbin looks super deadpan and stoic when playing but *goddamn* is he tight when playing. More power to 'em for I say!",
"I treasure [this](https://i.imgur.com/b77r1Xz.jpg)\n\n$12.50 for front row seats... lol good times",
"STS9 has such a cool sound. I assumed they used overlays in live performances. Makes it even more impressive that they dont.",
"Hey, should we add a fourth member? Geddy: Nah, I'll just play shit with my feet while singing and playing keyboards.\n\nAlso, check out the Rush documentary on Netflix.",
"I feel you.",
"It’s ok. Definitely not for everyone. But the people who love it really love it."
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Rush - Subdivisions - Snake and Arrows Tour. What an achievement of humanity.
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https://youtu.be/N-XrQFKuw3I
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/r/videos/comments/r5mfra/yes/
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[
"No",
"I mean, if you like this stuff more power too you. Personally though I get super grossed out.",
"yess its sooo good",
"Can you describe what you find enjoyable about this content. I am curious about how this content became such a rising popular genre",
"Nasty",
"it looks s good and it soungds delitious",
"Hmm the irrational response had led me to discern this is some sort of entertainment for mentally disturbed people...",
"naH but it was herstorically used to help mentally disturbed people.",
"Lol I’m glad You can take a joke! Yeah I just read up that it gained in popularity lately due to covid 19 loneliness. This is totally weird but so is life."
] | 8 |
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Yes.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCMrD712AkQ
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/r/videos/comments/r5momu/alexa_can_whisper_and_fart/
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[
"[Future Stan Marsh vibes.](https://i.imgur.com/RzO1yIo.png)",
"I don't like that we can't see his hands",
"What a gilded age of discovery we live in. Tesla and Galileo would be proud.",
"This will never not be funny."
] | 4 |
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Alexa can whisper - and fart
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aOrjmvVz3s&ab_channel=RMTransit
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/r/videos/comments/r5nm1z/the_strangest_metro_system_bay_area_rapid_transit/
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[
"An interesting shape in this subway train!",
"And for some reason this train is called the Swallow. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkeeh-7bXpE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkeeh-7bXpE)",
"We use to play on those rights of way when they were building BART. They had a whole ad campaign when they turned on the power because they didn't want us getting killed. Yeah, I'm old.",
"BART is nice but expensive.\n\nI live in Chicago. The subway system is old and dirty and kinda terrible all around but you can get anywhere for $2.50.",
"BART is waaay more expensive than either NY's MTA or Chicago's CTA or LA's Metro Rail",
"BART is awesome if you love being accosted by homeless people and paying tons of money to ride even short distances.",
"Almost all mass transit has homeless on them. Never seen one that doesn't.",
"Tokyo's doesn't, at least not that I've seen.",
"Bart is so overpriced it’s cheaper to drive into the city and park in a paid city lot when you’re going in with family.",
"THX-1138 - George Lucas filmed the car chace in there. \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yd0w23Xkl0",
"They dont, and neither has Osaka, or any Japanese city Ive visited.\n\nJapan solved homelessness very sensibly. On one side, they are provided housing by the government. On the other, there is a zero tolerance on begging and most forms of public solicitations.\n\n[https://tomorrow.city/a/homelessness-in-japan](https://tomorrow.city/a/homelessness-in-japan)\n\nThis is in complete opposition to the (failed) policies of the west where we try to enable them to live on the street as much as possible.",
"they definitely have homeless in tokyo and osaka. you can see them around shinjuku",
"They do have some, though the rates are very low: the worse place is Osaka, especially the area around Dobutsuen-me, but the total estimated homeless in Osaka is 990\\*. Thats not a rate, thats a *total*. For a 19 million people city.\n\nCompared to San Francisco that has an estimated 8000 for a metro population 4 or 5 times smaller.\n\nBut when we said \"they dont\", we meant they arent in the transit systems. They dont harass you and they dont go in the trains and subways or even the stations themselves.\n\n\\*it has dropped down dramatically in recent years, beware of old statistics.",
"CTA is subsidized by tax money, they operate at a massive loss. I loved CTA so much I sold my car when I lived in Chicago, and I live in the Bay now and have used BART like, a half dozen times, but still. It's kind of a disclaimer that needs to be out there when comparing fares for the two.",
">Walnut Creek\n\nOh wow, I wonder if cdrom.com is still up.... \n\n>Site Cannot Be Found\n\nNOOOOOOOOOOOOO",
"Not sure where you get your numbers from:\n\n>It was no surprise to many who know the area that Tatsuya Ichihashi, facing charges of murdering British teacher Lindsay Ann Hawker, has a connection with Osaka’s Nishinari Ward.\n>\n> <SNIP>\n>\n>Nishinari is home to one of Japan’s largest and most famous concentrations of day laborers, many of whom are homeless. It has long been a place where not only the country’s most wanted criminals but also people simply down on their luck have flocked to find work ranging from day labor to prostitution.\n>\n>**Where exactly is the Nishinari district and how big is it?**\n>\n>It is located in the southern part of the city, just south of Tennoji. There are several train stations in the area, including JR Shin Imamiya Station. About 132,000 people live in the roughly 7.4-sq.-km area.\n>\n>**How many are homeless?**\n>\n>Official numbers are hard to come by and unofficial estimates can range dramatically. The most recent survey, compiled in March, found 3,724 total homeless in the city of Osaka, which has 24 wards including Nishinari, with 624 living in makeshift tents in municipal parks or beside roadways. In the late 1990s, when Osaka’s homeless population swelled to 9,000 officially and 15,000 unofficially, aid workers estimated that as many as 10,000 homeless were in Nishinari at some point of time. Many people in Nishinari are also semihomeless, able to afford a place to stay if they have some money but back on the street again when times are tough.\n>\n>[SOURCE](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2009/12/08/reference/in-osaka-a-place-the-homeless-call-home)",
"The biggest issue with BART is that it never actually serviced the entire Bay Area despite its name. Its only just now linking to San Jose 50+ years after its initial rollout. And even now its only going to North San Jose, it still won't cover south San Jose or the stretch down to Morgan Hill and Gilroy. And still doesn't service the Peninsula or northwest part of the Bay Area at all where A LOT of people live and commute.",
"Maybe if you find really cheap parking. But then you also have to drive into and out of the city which can be a huge pain in the ass.",
"Weekend and after 6pm rates at MUNI parking lots are really really reasonable. It’s like 2-3 dollars an hour. And you can literally park under union square. \n\nYou just have to use MUNi lots and not sketchy private ones",
"As I took the time to wrote, they've been improving the situation dramatically. The number you source are over a decade old."
] | 20 |
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The Strangest Metro System | Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) Explained
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8Jxjv5mug&t=1s
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/r/videos/comments/r5npy2/dave_grohl_covers_lisa_loebs_stay_a_la_death_metal/
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[
"Dave fucking Grohl",
"OMG I'm dying",
"Dave Growl. Amazing.",
"For anyone curious about night two\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=03-DgRkupK8",
"Stay and Slay",
"Fresh pottttts",
"Dave has been watching too many [Andy Rehfeldt](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iU2hy0L5lgg&ab_channel=AndyRehfeldt) videos during lockdown.",
"♥",
"Someone should get Lisa Loeb to make this video with Dave. It would be amazing.",
"And now I'm watching Lisa Loeb videos. Dang she had that hot librarian in a baby doll dress look.",
"A friend of mine's comment on the 'harmonizing' of the 'Lisa Loeb' vocals and the death metal vocals: \"I didn't know you could growl in key\"",
"He totally rocks those “Lisa Loeb” glasses and dress. LOL.",
"That wasn’t her?",
"Easily top 10 coolest people who have ever existed.",
"She still does, the woman barely ages.",
"Can we have Lisa Loeb doing Smells Like Teen Spirit?",
"My bad. You're right. She hasn't aged a day.",
"Grohl is the best! LOL. Whata guy! I would love to raise a pint with this guy.",
"What's the next step above \"national treasure\"?",
"Shouldn't put spoilers in the title.",
"I was never a Foo Fighters fan, but I am a big Dave Grohl fan, the dude just seems like an awesome, solid human being who kicks ass.",
"Protect this man at all costs.",
"Yeah dude she's an eternal babe",
"Dang I don’t like foo fighters that much but if they put out a death metal album I’d give it a listen, this was way better than expected",
"A song Dave sang would be better...",
"There are not many artists I feel I could hang out with and talk to, but I could do it with Dave.",
"Rare to see an artist find their true craft after this many years.\n\nLisa Loeb is a great Dave Grohl impersonator.",
"There is a certain irony to Dave wearing a cross necklace for the Hanukkah sessions \n\nit might be upside down I cant tell",
"Not really death metal though.",
"The Tom Hanks of music. Someone you’d want to have as a neighbor.",
"I don't think anybody's ready to handle those levels of awesome, really.",
"Oh no dave is gonna transition because he wore a dress. /s He has been saying foo fighters were gonna do a full metal album for years, when is that coming?",
"He recently released a memoir called The Storyteller: Tales of Life and Music. In order to promote it he did an interview on NPR (Fresh Air with Terry Gross). It is a good listen. He always seems like the most down to Earth person.\n\nhttps://www.npr.org/2021/11/24/1057250055/dave-grohl-storyteller-from-nirvana-to-foo-fighters",
"Maybe /u/gaychineseboi meant a drum cover!",
"The answer to that nagging question - \"What do people with a shitload of talent, an equal amount of sense of humor and their own music studio do when they have some free time on their hands?\" Brilliant.",
"This is a really excellent comparison",
"The only time i've seen him play was on his birthday in Ashville. The reason I mention his birthday, is becasue the band let him do whatever he wanted. **HE PLAYED A NO LIE, SOLID ONE HOUR DRUM SOLO** and it wasn't my thing. I can understand 15 minutes, but an hour!",
"I guess it’s going to be Jewish singers they’re covering. Looking forward to some other greats like Leonard Cohen and Adam Sandler.",
"Well, shit. Here I was ready to hear some rock cover due to a mislabeling... Yup, that's definitely not rock, this is great haha",
"That’s pretty awesome. \n\nThat said, as a drummer, I can’t even stand listening to a 5 minute drum solo. An hour would’ve killed me. I need some melody in my music.",
"Taylor on drums is great- Dave on drums is something to remember",
"A la Death Metal. Absolutely not Death metal.",
"Check out Probot. It’s a mid-2000s project that Grohl did with LEGENDS Of metal like Lemmy, Wino and King Diamond (every song is a diff collaboration). Not exactly Foos doing death metal but it is Grohl drumming to some heavy-ass music.",
"When you've reached max level and start doing side quests!",
"I'm seeing Foo Fighters in a couple of weeks in Sacramento. Now I'm really tempted to crossdress for the event.",
"I just don't like his apparent disdain for the song since it's actually really good. Love the metal version though.",
"I'm not even into his music and I like Dave Grohl. He's just an excellent human.",
"I would really like to hear Dave Grohl singing really heavy metal songs in earnest. He has a good voice for it and his songwriting ability I'm sure would create some interesting compositions.",
"That is NOT death metal man",
"God I loved that album when it came out. I know what I’m listening to tomorrow!",
"Give me a night out doing karaoke with Dave Grohl and Jack Black and I would die a very very happy man. They just seem so damn cool and down to Earth.",
"He actually *nails* the \"look\" of the typical Northern California big city liberal career-woman/house wife who was a teen girl into Nirvana in the 90s. \n\n\nNot really an insult... just an observation. If he were shaved, I could totally see him pulling that off at some open patio cafe or bistro in downtown Sacramento.",
"I've got to say, that threw me off too. I think there is another track there that's doing the harmonies, because I just can't see yelling a harmony. Maybe, though - even anyone can, it's Dave.",
"Dave certainly will do death metal. He seems more pop and traditional rock and roll, but he loves the metal genre. \n\nI'm sorry you don't like the Foo Fighters. I personally think they're great. A nice combo of bubble gum pop and rock. They can be heavy or very light. Mostly they just seem like they're having a blast, which is fun.",
"Well, they just finished their Disco phase, so hopefully next.",
"This is amazing",
"...I mean, it sounds a lot like death metal to me...",
"Me too. Writing that comment made me break it own for the first time in forever! There’s a dog here and there but it’s mostly bangers.",
"Wow.",
"The melodic normal singing parts makes it not death metal. It's that wierd emo/scene wanna be nu metal. Death metal is 100% hard all the way though.",
"Yeah, this is some emo/scene shit.",
"Sounds like some emo/scene shit to me.",
"Excuse you. Death metal has OFTEN had melodic parts. In Flames, Opeth, Borknagar, Nile, etc are ALL death metal bands that ALL have slower melodic parts.",
"I suppose 0:49-1:00 could be considered a Swedish death metal riff, but after the 1:00 mark is just slayer. 1:17-1:32 comes close I guess. \n\n[I'll just leave this here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGdpCX_LNK8) because Death Metal is awesome.",
"i was i was 1% as happy as dave grohl",
"This is super random, but about 8 years ago I went to a birthday party in LA and ended up in a half-hour long conversation with Ms Loeb about parenting. (She is married to a former coworker if my wife) She is extremely articulate and sweet. And tiny.",
"No, death metal is absolutely not always 100% hard all the way through. You clearly don't know much about death metal.",
"Damn, not only do you know nothing about death metal but you don't even have the slightest ability to recognize emo music (scene isn't a genre). That's sad. You must have absolutely no musical knowledge whatsoever. Why in the world are you commenting about something you know nothing about?",
"Lol this is pretty harsh. Genres are ambiguous. It’s okay for people to have different opinions",
"Except for that [whole AIDs denialism](https://medium.com/the-monthly/the-foo-fighters-aids-denialism-should-be-on-the-record-6e33666fdc3c) thing which everyone ignores because he's a cool dude. Including me, I heard about it at the time, but it just made no sense.",
"Dave Grohl's band let him play huh?",
"They’ve stopped talking about the topic, erased any mention of Alive & Well from their site and have all but erased that period from their band history. Since then, the band have backed some actual good causes that includes autism research, poverty and breast cancer.\n\nFuck you and cancel culture, you pussy!",
"They've erased it but never addressed it which is kind of shitty.\n\nDon't get me wrong, I'm a big fan of Grohl's and don't think he should be cancelled - he's a cool dude, but that whole episode is a stain on his otherwise fantastic character.",
"People grow. They were what mid to late 20s? You bringing it up during the age of cancel culture makes me believe you want change from something that happened 20 years ago.",
"No one's perfect. He was young then too.",
"It's actually \"Löhb\"."
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Dave Grohl covers Lisa Loeb's "Stay" - a la death metal
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https://youtu.be/Jrxl3Op4rsI
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/r/videos/comments/r5o3oe/what_researching_genealogy_feels_like/
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[
"I’m going to start researching genealogy and point the finger at you.",
"Hah! Let's rope others into this!",
"Best. Episode. Period. \n\nAnd yes, ancestry does feel like this if you’re of the anti-nativist Bogomil/Cathar persuasion. I did not get a vote in being born so get me the fuck outta here 🤣",
"I learned that genealogy isn't an \"exact\" science when I was helping someone locate a missing ancestor via marriage records. we found them, same spouse, same birthday, same death, but a different state for the marriage license, and then they moved to a different state than the person thought, then some years later found them in the state they expected them in. Then we found out she hadn't gotten divorced from the first record, which is what the person thought was what happened to then marry their ancestor. and she was ***SO*** convinced that this absolutely could not be the marriage license despite everything else lining up. And ended up leaving deciding that the data was still missing. So unwilling to accept the possibility that their ancestors weren't actually legally married, and the previous marriage was never terminated. It was like that spongebob \"is this your ID\" meme.",
"I started researching my family's genealogy around 20 years ago. I was frustrated at times and would stop...then start again a few years later. Then I realized, just let others do the work for you. I did some work 20 years ago that helped some people and now it's time for others to do their part. I just finally found out somebody cracked the case on whether it was Richard or Thomas. Now I go back to some guy named Richard in the 1500's.",
"On top of that, it's really only reliable when you're looking for dead people.",
"me gusto mucho el episodio donde apaarecen",
"It's odd how people will trust what they believe over what is in front of them. I remember going to my grandparent's 50th wedding anniversary. I later found out they were never actually officially married. I guess they just picked a date that worked for them and their marriage was now \"common law\" but they had never had a real wedding ceremony. I wonder if we would have believed that if we hadn't found out from them directly and it was left for us to try and find a marriage certificate that never existed.",
"Of course, there is always the chance someone was frustrated or just go it wrong, and then that error gets perpetuated for a long time. I have a few spots like that - a connection that is very tenuous, but, if true, let's me go back hundreds of years. It's probably right, but can't really be certain.",
"A friend of mine's family is doing their genealogy and just found out they are related to the accusers at the Salem witch trials. According to them, some of the \"witches\" had moved a stream that had flooded the accuser's farmland and messed up a field of crops. So in retaliation they accused them of being witches and got several folks hanged, and others died in prison. \n\nThey said they really didn't need to know that about great grandpa.",
"My roommate is really into this stuff. And from what I can tell he's really good at it. \n\nHow can he turn this into a paycheck?",
"My parents have been genealogy buffs since the early 1980s, they've amassed several filing cabinets full of notes over the years (not to mention my Mum has written at least 3 books) and at some point it'll fall on me to collate that all and put it into a database. It'll probably take me another 40 years to do that. On the plus side I can not only tell you I'm descendant of Alfred the Great, I can show you how we got there - so that's pretty cool."
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What researching genealogy feels like
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IML3jU_yyGs
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/r/videos/comments/r5o805/florida_man_makes_beer_run_with_gator_in_hand/
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[
"See ya later",
"This is peak florida man insanity and i'm all for it. Glad no one got hurt and we can all laugh at this.",
"Probably not the first time that’s happened.",
"Just tell them it was fake bro 😎",
"Florida Man at his finest!",
"He ended up getting 2 days in jail w/ time served and some community service after pleading not guilty. [https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/jacksonville-man-who-made-beer-run-with-gator-in-hand-sentenced/890772961/](https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/jacksonville-man-who-made-beer-run-with-gator-in-hand-sentenced/890772961/)",
"ronnie dobs!",
"Like we all haven't done this at some point",
"“Lets not forget Dude that keeping wildlife, um... an amphibious rodent, for... um, ya know domestic... within the city... that ain't legal either.”",
"If this fellas ever in Wisconsin he oughta hit me up. I wonder if he’s ever been ice fishin. We don’t got gators but we spear fish for sturgeon. And ya never do that without somethin to make ya warm.",
"Is this not an acceptable form of barter in Florida?",
"Goddamn I love Florida",
"How you gonna take a gator on a beer run and not let him pick out some snacks?",
"He honestly should run for governor. This man is a true Florida patriot.",
"We’ve all been there. Want to be the responsible water dog dad so you can’t leave him strapped in the car. It can get very hot in there faster than you think.\n\nJust grab a handful of gator, get what you need and get out.\n\nI for one salute responsible parenting.",
"The article says it was reported someone stepped on the gator’s neck. It also can’t be comfortable being carried like that through the store, all while the dude is sprinting and drunk.\n\nI think we can all agree that Florida man should leave the gators out of his hijinks.",
"When I got so drunk I couldn't remember I wasn't able to run around that well.",
"It is unacceptable that this man is being prosecuted for carrying around his gator. Carrying your gator around is as Florida as Key Lime Pie.",
"[B-Double E-Double R-U-N](https://youtu.be/rxGbwiV4Mo8?t=21)",
"Actually he plead no contest to the charges, but thanks for digging up that article I was curious what happened to him!",
"he plead no contest, which basically means guilty. \n\nAlso, why wasn't he charged with a DUI?",
"fachero el cocodrilo",
"IANAL, but probably because DUI requires you to have a specific BAC and you can't prove he was above that limit.",
"I live in Australia and have a fair bit of time with Australian salt water crocs AND American Alligators in Florida.\n\nEvery time I see something like this my heart sinks. The gator wants no part of this. It’s pretty shit. It always makes me imagine what would happen if it was a salty instead and then I really feel bad.",
"\"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, now I am just a simple country lawyer but it seems to me that any person with a BAC below the limit for DUI would have the sense, if not the decency, to leave their alligator outside the liquor store upon arrival. As such I expect you will conclude that the accused must have been outside the legal limit when driving his double lifted f350 to the liquor store on the evening in question. Your honor I rest my case.\"\n\n\"Well I'll admit that the argument the esteemed prosecutor has presented here would be quite logically sound in any other state. But given that this is Florida and we do love our gators so. I submit to you that in fact no red blooded Florida man would intentionally leave his gator outside the liquor store regardless of how much alcohol may be in said red blood.\""
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Florida Man Makes Beer Run With Gator In Hand
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r5ox8y/deleted_by_user/
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/r/videos/comments/r5ox8y/deleted_by_user/
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"okay",
"Yep. That's a door alright.",
"lmao"
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[deleted by user]
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r5ozk9/deleted_by_user/
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/r/videos/comments/r5ozk9/deleted_by_user/
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[
"A door? Fell? From what an airplane?",
"This video poses more questions than answers.",
"Well, I don't know what I expected.",
"This has to just be a broken door leant up on a parked car right? Or fell off the back of a wagon?"
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[deleted by user]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs
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/r/videos/comments/r5pbie/is_meat_really_bad_for_the_climate/
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[
"Bacon is good for me",
"I care about the environment. That's why I only get my meat from factory farms that keep the animals in small cages and pay an intern in exposure to poke them with a stick.",
" Short answer: Yes.\n\nSlightly longer answer: Yes, but it's complicated.",
"TL;DW:\n\nYes, particularly beef. Buying local doesn't offset this, and even the most environmentally friendly beef is not \"better\" in this respect than protein-dense plant options (also the most environmentally friendly options tend to be the cruelest to the animals). \"Grass-fed\" beef also isn't the solution here because of its land demand and the deforestation that goes into supporting the production of grass-fed beef.\n\nHonestly, if you feel you cannot go vegan at this point, cut beef out of your diet. Please.",
">Slightly longer answer: Yes, but it's complicated.\n\nSlightly longer answer: ~~Yes, but it's complicated~~ Yes, And here is why. \n\n\nIt's not that complicated :p",
"TL;DW: if you still want to eat meat, eat less beef at a minimum",
"I think the most offensive part about this comment is you said stick and not cattle prod.",
"Betteridge's law of headlines.. except when it's pure, grade-A clickbait.",
"No thanks.\n\nTax the hell out of it. Charge me whatever you want. But I’m eating steak.",
"People always associate being vegan as being for the over-emotional, sensitive souls, but its not just that. its also the unbiased logical choice",
"There are going to be times in your life when you reflect on yourself and your choices holistically and ask yourself: \"am I a 'good' person?\"\n\nWhen those moments arrive, I want you to remember this comment. The answer is no.",
"Do you just not care?",
"This is a great video. I think one thing everyone can do to help is just cut down on their meat consumption. You don't have to totally stop eating meat, but just eat less. We don't need meat for every meal and you can replace beef with stuff like impossible meat which has much less carbon footprint. \n\nOver the past few months I've completely stopped buying red meat and have been sticking to chicken and fish (while cutting down my meat consumption in general). It's actually been a nice change, I've felt healthier and even with working out can get more the enough protein from these meats and plant based protein powders.",
"A huge part of this video was also that 26% of our emissions comes from food production.\n\nThis means that 74%, does not. So we still have to tackle those 74%, before changing our dietary habits will even make the slightest of differences. Those 74% are probably not going anywhere, so in short, shit's fucked.\n\nSo to me:\n\nCut down on meat consumption, especially beef. But it's not really going to have a major impact at our current point in time, but still, why not just eat less meat.",
"There is no such thing as a “good” person. Anyone trying to frame one’s action in such a context, especially in terms of environmental impact inevitably must admit that killing themselves and everyone around them is the only moral choice.\n\nEnjoy life. Fuck everything else.",
"Well... yes. Frankly, if you recommend a general solution that you aren't yourself participating in, *that* would be the alarming and hypocritical thing, not the other way around lmao",
"This video literally contradicts that",
"26% from one industry where there is already a massive amount of research and knowledge of impactful changes makes it seem like a really good place to start, not sure why we have to work on other industries before making changes to the food industry?",
"The comment section here is drowning in angry comments by people who frequently post in mainstream vegan subreddits, go figure.\n\nThe vegan brigading on this website is completely out of control.",
"Sure. Like I said, tax it to offset the impact.\n\nI don’t care enough to stop altogether. Food brings me joy and steak is one of my favorite foods.",
"Yep, this guy's unequivocally a bad person because he wants to eat beef. Doesn't matter what else he's ever done in his life, he's going to hell because he ate a steak. What a shit statement",
"Feel like out of all YouTube channels Kurzgesagt is the only channel you can’t accuse of click bait \n\nThey’re incredibly well made and well researched",
"That's not really what I meant. My point was, that even if everyone went vegan now, we would still be fucked.\n\nOf course we should adapt the food industry and dietary habits. Some people just seem to focus all their energy into beef, while you have a handful of companies out there emitting more than all cows combined. We need to adapt all the things, but in the matter of public debate, I think it's better to focus on these mega sources, since people tend to only be able to focus on one major thing in the news-cycle at a time these days due to information overload.",
"Yup. Using the good ol 'the poors can't afford it therefore we fixed the consumption problem' line of reasoning.",
"I think eventually it will go from everyone eating less meat, to it simply being phased out altogether. Will it take time? Sure. But how meat is consumed now, the whole paradigm of a portion of meat with every meal, is incredibly new, not even culturally universal, and is itself the product of generational conditioning. \n\nThe process of getting used to consuming no animal products might be gradual, but will still happen and has already started. Is a reduction in animal products a good thing? Of course. It's better than the alternative. But given the vast difference a reduction of half, even if universally adopted, and an elimination of all animal products, adapting to that new paradigm will be necessary to preserve the planet.",
"It's not brigadier, it's just people commenting on what they care about. Like everyone on reddit does",
"Which companies are you talking about and what changes do you recommend? Just seems silly to me to make negative posts about how shit's fucked and there's no solution when the video describes real changes that can be made to an industry that would make a large impact to the sustainability of the planet.",
"Meat eaters will justify anything, even arguing that there are no morals whatsoever, when pushed to a corner.\n\nKinda cringe to be this dramatic and say you might as well kill everyone you know if you want to be eco-friendly :/",
"Yeah anyone taking shit about Kurzgesagt without a damn good line of reasoning is out looking for these hands.",
"Yes. Factory farming and land use needed for cattle in particular causes: deforestation, methane production, increased production of crops for non-human consumption, large water demand, water pollution from run off, overuse of antibiotics, transportation and processing emissions, lowering biodiversity etc etc. \n\nEating plant based, greatly decreasing your consumption of cattle/ruminant/pig products (including dairy) or hunting is better for the environment. We cannot sustain our current rate of meat consumption and something has to change.",
"26% is a lot. Of course we should improve other emission sources as well, but that does not mean that cutting out meat is pointless.",
"It would have to be made so expensive that 99.999% of the population couldn't *ever* afford it in order to see the same value in reducing the impact. You would still not be having steak.",
"reducing meat emissions by 10% is still a reduction in 2.5% of total emissions. I don't know why OP would say that we have to tackle others first.\n\nJust eat less meat for fucks sake. It's not hard. I'm not saying go vegetarian or vegan. Just have meat in 1 or 2 meals a week and things would be substantially better. Also with the costs of what grass fed beef is now (nutrionally better) its super easy to start buying alternatives",
"Cutting meat out of your diet isn’t going to save the planet, it only would if you could convince everyone around you to do the same. The video actually mentioned the best solution right now to cut down meat production, it’s reduce the supply of cereal crops going to animals. \n\nThe best thing you can do is be aware of government subsidies going to cereal crops that feed the animals we eat. The US subsidizes corn a lot, and by contacting your Represenative we could hopefully get this changed. The US agricultural bill is going to be reworked in the coming years, having subsidies change from supporting grains and meats to healthier plants would have the best outcome for our society.\n\nIf you are politically active, here are agricultural bills in congress right now: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/subjects/agriculture_and_food/5816\n\nSource: [How to Save a Planet: The beef with beef](https://gimletmedia.com/shows/howtosaveaplanet/94hrd52)",
"Which part? (of my comment?)",
"There are lots of different types of food out there. You could also choose to live a more enriching life. There's lots of things to find joy in.",
"“Good person” implies that morals are absolute and binary (ie. a person is either “good” or “bad”).\n\nI thought people grew out of this type of kindergarten level reasoning in school?",
"Reminded that for their Climate Change video, Bill Gates was the sponsor...",
"[Read their other comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r5pbie/is_meat_really_bad_for_the_climate/hmobvi6/)\n\nI don't think people who respond to \"We should improve society somewhat\" with \"It's impossible to be 100% good so you might as well not care\" can be considered good people.\n\nShould we use the same logic with other bad actions? \"You can't stop slavery by buying different brands of chocolate so might as well say slavery isn't bad\" is a shitty person's statement.",
"Taxation is effective at lowering consumption. It has worked well with cigarettes across the world. \n\nGuilt and condescension doesn't really work.",
"No. It's that the intern gets paid.",
"The large impact of cows farting and burping is because we breed them in unprecedented numbers and often while feeding them poor-quality diets all so we can turn them into meat. So this isn't the \"and yet\" you think it is, it's just one of the many factors of meat having a vastly negative impact on the planet.",
">Honestly, if you feel you cannot go vegan at this point, cut beef out of your diet. Please.\n\nMake me.\n\n I'll be having chili tonight in honor of this comment.",
"Yes I definitely agree, my comment was more a starting point, something that can be done now without a huge lifestyle change for people. Eventually I think we will get to the point where eating meat is a thing of the past (maybe even looked down on as barbaric).",
"Hands down the douchest comment of the week.",
"this is why we can't have nice things",
"I understand it's effective at reducing consumption, but only because it stops poor people from being able to afford it.\n\nRich people can still consume it at x1000 the rate of the lower class because they are not effected the increase in price, at least not by a significant margin.\n\nSame problem with pollution as a whole. We can all do our part but that doesn't stop corporations from being the largest and most significant contributor.",
"Veganism is the true facts over feelings here. There is a great and purely logical, fact-based case to be made for veganism. \n\nEating meat, on the other hand, is purely emotionally driven. \"I like it,\" \"it's tradition,\" \"a vegan annoyed me once so I'll never consider it.\"",
"Get a hobby, it helps with the joy part",
"I think the slavery and climate change comparison is a little apples to oranges but I understand the sentiment. I just didn't like the attitude of calling OP a black and white \"bad person\" because they choose to eat beef. There has to be nuance with stuff like that and I don't think the reply was interested in that",
"just eat less meat",
"Not to dispute the entire point, but this video's discussion on transportation contributions of veggies vs meat has some significant gaps. Shipping avocados half way across the planet on a container ship may be 'efficient' but I'm not seeing the metrics they used to calculate the carbon. It seems as though they're divvying up the fuel to units on the ship. Fine. However, they don't factor in the same trucks that carry said avocados across land in addition to the container ship. Beef is heavier, so it'll be more consumption per mile, but those same avocados are traveling a hell of a lot further. Without doing the math myself, I'm pretty sceptical that it would work out to a significant difference for large parts of the US (as my point of reference).",
"Grass fed also isn’t a solution cause people would still need to eat 1/7th the beef",
"We'll either look back a few centuries from now and think how backward it was that people ate animals and burned down rainforests and cleared natural habitats and melted icecaps to do it... or the natural world and us along with it will simply be dead lmao",
"This right here is really the only way we'll see any kind of real reduction in beef consumption. If the \"impossible\" burger is $4 and the beef burger is $12 or even more, you'd see a significant drop in beef consumption.",
"Better than taxing it, just end the subsidies. This is a problem the market can actually solve.",
"Kurzgesagt vids are like, the last thing my preteen son wants to do WITH ol Dad. So thankful (and yes, we ordered the book for him for Christmas).",
"I treat meat the same way I treat birthday cake. Sure it's nice to have on a special occasion, but having it 3 times a day every day is downright silly.\n\nEdit: I don't mean literally only eat meat once a year. Just occasionally if you love it so much. If you don't like meat, or have allergies preventing you from eating it altogether, then all the more reason to skip it entirely for other protein sources.",
"Speaking of unbiased logical choice, I think Kurzgesagt should've used more realistic approaches to counting protein in food.\n\nJust like how they use the CO2-equivelant measure to explain how much methane affects climate change, they should do the same with protein. You can't just count the grams in a food and say that's how much you're gonna get out of it.\n\nProtein in meat isn't super efficient because meat causes inflammations, causing the liver to spend protein to heal that. I'm also sure that plant-protein takes longer in general to digest, though I'm not sure if that affects total absorption.",
"people commenting on what they care about in a condescending way\n\nfixed it for you xD",
"Nobody is going to make you do anything. You should be able to make the morally right decision yourself. Why is it that every stubborn meat eater acts exactly like a child being asked to finish their veggies. Immaturity and selfishness will be the end of Humanity, thanks to people like you we will at the very least deserve our downfall.",
"Maybe cooking is his hobby???????????????",
"dont care im still eating meat.",
"Well... Yeah. Look at this guy's sentence and tell me we exist in his same world. \"Trial and sentencing of Robert H. Richards IV - Wikipedia\" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_and_sentencing_of_Robert_H._Richards_IV\n\nYou have a better chance of reducing climate change than you have of achieving equity. Might as well do what you actually can do.",
"no.",
"[Another more in-depth video with an expert in agriculture.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGG-A80Tl5g)\n\nUltimately, your daily habits will do next to nothing, even at a nation-scale compared to corporations and the biggest emitters (energy companies, US Military, etc.). \n\nThe real priority is to elect people that will properly regulate the biggest emitters. \n\nIf the entire USA went vegan, it would reduce ~~global~~ US emissions by 2%. That's a rather large number when you think about it, and by all means, we should be eating far less meat than we do, but you are not the culprit. The energy execs are.",
"And?",
"As long as I can drag people like you down with me, then the downfall will be worth it.",
"from a cow named doretta. named cows produce the best meat imo",
"Yeah they did the whole \"it’s complicated\" schtick to not scare off viewers but the (current) top comment’s tldw shows well that it really isn’t that complicated",
"Something that could help would be the government subsidies being equal between the products or even better prioritize the most Eco-friendly choice to promote people to eat that and not have money drained on climate control.",
"An intelligent, mature, and reasonable reply.",
"> That's not really what I meant. My point was, that even if everyone went vegan now, we would still be fucked.\n\nYes, sort of, pretty much.\n\n1. We are (hopefully) making progress in reducing CO2 emissions in the other 75%. The video isn't about progress in other areas, but touches on this saying if we somehow get everything else to zero, we still have floor food production.\n\n2. Continuing: If we get everything else to zero, we still have a problem with a floor in food production. This floor is caused by one thing: too many mouths to feed. It's a sad fact that at the end of the day we either have to get really, really clever to conceive new, super-efficient methods to feed a growing population of mouths **and/or** we need to have *fewer mouths to feed* so we can sustain them with our conceivable means of food production.\n\nThe even sadder fact is that nature will likely solve this problem *for us* rather soon, ecologically speaking.\n\nSo yes, unless we - as a species - can become exceedingly more clever and/or can change our atavistic belief systems rather instantaneously, ecologically speaking, a great deal of our species, if not all of it, is probably doomed.",
"You can cook something other than body parts",
"Thanks :)",
"I'll always challenge claims like 'factory farming is bad' because local grass fed tends to be worse for the environment.",
"What is the potential emission reduction with lab grown/cultured beef?",
"That's certainly not impossible, but screenshots of vegan Facebook groups with direct Reddit links and instructions to upvote or downvote in accordance with the vegan agenda have been called out more times than is anywhere close to reasonable. The biggest vegan subreddit has done the same in the past, which is directly against the rules of the website, yet that one continues to operate.\n\nAlso, the rabid downvotes to my comment above don't do a whole lot to disprove my point.",
"> eat less beef at a minimum\n\nNo. I dont think I will.",
"You're so brave",
"“And land use needed for cattle”\n\nThey are both bad, but factory farming also has the close quarters which tends to require more antibiotics, concentrated methane, concentrated runoff etc.",
"That point would make sense if people were only capable of doing exactly one thing at a time.\n\nWe can reduce our consumption of meat, while also lobbying for better environmental control for mega-industries.",
"https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312",
"\"And yet\" yes... This is a factor in why eating meat is bad for the environment. Is this some gotcha moment?",
"Nah. Chicken, tuna, milk, and eggs are cheap forms of protein without having too many calories. Getting the equivalent amount of protein from plants is not as viable as vegans make it seem. It's not simply about emotion.\n\nI agree with avoiding beef though. It's an unsustainable luxury.",
"Fucking cringe dude, holy shit.",
"Have a medal 🥈",
"He probably calls those “sides.”",
"This video just explained why factory farming is bad. Local grass fed is just _worse_.",
"Ugh, right?! Imagine being mildly inconvenienced by environmental degradation at a global and existential scale. That's for the poors to worry about!\n\n/s",
"Yep.\n\nImagine literally saying \"my taste buds are more important than the planet itself\" and not thinking of yourself as an arrogant, self-centered twat.",
"It is complicated. As noted in the video, there is tension between producing beef in a carbon friendly way and producing beef in a humanitarian way. Also some of the methods commonly touted as ways to lessen the impact of eating beef/meat actually aren't very effective.",
"No. Veganism is not the logical choice. Vegetarianism makes more sense.\n\nVegans are the fanatics of the Vegetarian world.",
"Ah yes, a 12 minute video to reestablish a known fact. Still does not change the fact that individual effort will have no meaningful impact on climate change but the author of these videos can only reach individual people.",
"Tax beef and use it to subsidize artificial meat.",
"how do i learn to be cool like you?",
"26% comes from a Food production ALONE so the other 74 can come from countless other things.\n\nJust for a thought experiment, let's assume that 26% isn't the greatest contributor to emissions.\n\nThat means within the remaining 74% there can be at most 2 larger sources, right? Because 27+27=52 and there's no room for a third larger emitter in there. Alternatively, as I said before, the 74% can come from however many other things, in which case 26% is still very likely one of the largest percentages in the game. \n\nI am plenty alright with cutting down one of the 3 largest sources of emissions, even more alright if that 1/3 doesn't hold up. Its a super easy thing to adjust on a personal level, and based on your numbers, will have an impact on one of the largest producers of emissions in our society.",
"The government needs to fix this problem via taxation and incentives. People are too selfish to fix it on their own, as you can see from some of the other replies.",
"that's not offensive so much as just unrealistic.",
"The impression I want to avoid is that non factory farmed meat is a viable alternative. Pound for pound it creates more waste and runoff and more methane and requires much more land.",
"When it comes to mitigating the effects of the climate crisis, the best tool in the toolbox is carbon tax and dividend\n\nUsing proven economic levers of taxes and dividends is an efficient method that doesn't require big government bureaucratic bloat and helps poor families the most. \n\nIndividuals planting trees, going zero waste and going vegan helps, but isn't nearly enough as this [video](https://youtu.be/awyp495Ran4) shows via using a [simulator](https://www.climateinteractive.org/tools/en-roads/) to show why a [carbon tax and dividend](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fee_and_dividend) policy is the single most effective policy for climate action.\n\nhttps://energyinnovationact.org/how-it-works/\n\nThe Energy Innovation and Carbon Dividend Act has widespread support from [economists](https://www.econstatement.org/) and many other [groups](https://energyinnovationact.org/statements/).\n\nAs well as bipartisan popular support\n https://thehill.com/changing-america/opinion/566589-what-if-the-us-taxed-its-fossil-fuels-and-gave-a-check-to-every?amp\n\n\nYou can [write to your representatives in Congress](https://cclusa.org/write) today and tell them that we need a price on carbon to make an impact on climate change - it's especially critical of you're in a swing state! Check out r/CitizensClimateLobby for more info",
"This 100%. I get frustrated seeing 'factory farming bad' when the reality is that it's just meat production is bad.",
"He's not saying there's no difference, he's saying the world is too grey to make such cut-and-dry categories of \"good\" and \"bad\" people. This was literally the plot in a season of The Good Place where >!almost every person goes to Hell because everyone inadvertently makes choices that would make you a \"bad person\" (ie buying tennis shoes without knowing they're made from child labor). This doesn't make people \"bad,\" it just means the world's really complicated now and its extremely difficult to ever make a purely \"good\" choice!<",
"Yea, it's really encouraging that they have a young audience. I find a lot of kids are really into the science youtubers, which is neat.",
"Vegetarians are just omnivores that think they're doing something. They support the same industry as other omnis.",
"You are the absolute worst type of person.\n\nSeriously, imagine if the planet had zero people like you. Think of how much better off our species will be!",
"Yeah but you seem to have decided I think that and are responding to that argument. I never said that. \n\nI explicitly said eating plant based, decreasing cattle consumption, and hunting is better for the environment. At no point am I pitting factory farming against local, pastures raised cattle. Even if pasture raised was better, we don’t have the land and resources to raise and cull cattle at the rate we currently consume beef and dairy so it’s mostly a moot point.\n\n\n(A moo point)",
"Wouldn't that just increase cheap meat imports from countries like Brazil?",
"If you relegate all non-meats to \"sides\", you aren't a very good cook.",
"Git rid of government beef subsidies and make consumers pay what it actually costs to produce beef. Guarantee you everyone will cut back then.",
"Animal agriculture only exists because of the demand created by individual consumers.",
"If you truly hunt more meat than you buy, your situation is extremely, vanishingly rare. Yes, even in rural areas. I don't think it's unreasonable for vegans to address their message to something that applies to 99% of all meat consumption and let you draw your own conclusions. You may be assuming more about vegans than they are about you.",
"How is getting the equivalent amount of protein non-viable from plant-based sources? Maybe not quite as convenient currently as the market isn't saturated with plant-based goods, but things like seitan can be as protein dense as chicken/fish, and are more dense than milk/eggs.",
"Is it because you feel the need to compensate for something?",
"How does vegetarianism make more sense than veganism? Genuinely curiously about this take.",
"The plot of the Good place is that we shouldn't be judged by the things we can't control.\n\nWe can't control if the chocolate you bought with a ethical-production sticker is actually made using slaves or through deforestation, but we can control if we buy chocolates we know that are produced that way.\n\nVeganism isn't perfect, me buying tomatoes will always involve some animal dying through the process. Maybe it was because of pesticides, maybe it was because of an insect that got stepped on. But I don't know if those things happened nor are they something you can reasonably avoid. Meanwhile this dude sees a video explaining how killing animals, which is already bad, is much more polluting to the planet than choosing to eat something else and saying they don't care and they'll keep doing the worst choice they're given. That's being a bad person.\n\nThat's being told the sneakers you already know are made by child-labor are also worse for the economy compared to other sneakers and going \"well any job requires someone to do something they don't like so I don't give a shit\"",
"That just kind of proves my point. The fanatics in any \"ism\" are willing to point out that \"We're better\" or \"Those ones aren't doing enough\".\n\nAnyway, moving to a predominantly vegetable based diet is the main goal and vegans too quickly want to lump vegetarians in with us meat eaters.\n\nAnd I said \"predominantly vegetable based diet\" because not everyone can survive on vegetables and grains alone.",
"Nope",
"Lentils are a very cheap source of calories and protein. I am by no means a vegan or vegetarian, but one of my main sources of calories comes from toor dal. You can buy toor dal for about $3 per pound or less, and 1 pound of toor dal has 1500 calories and 99g of protein.\n\nEdit: I misread your post. I was talking about how to get calories and protein for cheap, while you are talking about how to get protein without getting calories.",
"But we don't and here I am. \n\nStay mad loser.",
"That demand which is in no way influenced my massive marketing campaigns and lobbying governments? \n\nIt's libertarian nonsense to think consumers collectively can act as rational individuals. The most videos like these can hope to accomplish is to drive up the meat marketing cost a little bit.",
"This dude obviously hasn't had A5 wagyu before",
"All the butthurt people throwing out downvotes seem to care a lot lol.\n\nI'm just doing my part to offset the vegans impact on climate change.",
"Literally everyone who has an opinion on anything feels the same way.",
"Awesome! My first reddit award!",
"Lol imagine being a vegan and calling *others* cringe, that's rich.",
"Veganism isn't the only option, though, and you pedaling that it is and putting down everyone else who sees it differently as a \"bad person\" only further alienates you. You're not a martyr or some paladin championing a holy cause, you're a person who decides not to eat animal products.",
"I will be a cold day in hell before I eat less meat - especially beef.",
"Vegetarianism means that you don't consume meat. Some vegetarians still eat dairy, but some don't.\n\nVeganism means no animal products whatsoever. Which means honey is a no-no. Also things like figs are not, strictly speaking, vegan because of the wasps involved. \n\nAlso wool products are bad even though sheep are far more comfortable after they've been sheered.",
"Crying about downvotes is sad, they're imaginary Internet points.",
"It’s pretty much only the US with beef subsidies.\n\nThe subsidies have negligible impact on consumption when you compare subsidised beef to unsubsidised beef. \n\nWhat to I get for voiding your guarantee? Is it more beef?",
"You didn't mention the most commonly-used ones that vegans cut out: dairy and eggs. Do you think cutting out those makes sense?",
"Because fuck the planet, right?",
"And yet you can get all of the protein you need from vegetables. That is also far from the only nutrient you require. Also produce, pulses, cereal grains, legumes, etc, are among the *least* expensive things you can buy. \n\nThey also have the added benefit of not having the environmental impact that is at the center of the discussion and which you have avoided mentioning. \n\nBut let's test your claim that getting the required amount of protein from plants isn't as viable as vegans claim. The average protein requirement for a person is about 56g/day. The protein per serving of rice and beans, not only a complete amino acid, but among the cheapest food you can buy and contributing to among the least amount of wastage, is about 21g. Meaning if all you have is rice and beans three meals a day, you will *still* exceed your protein intake recommendation. \n\nIt's inexpensive, has a long shelf life, doesn't require refrigeration. This is why we send food aid in the form of rice and beans and not in the form of eggs and tuna. \n\nIn fact, 100g of seitan has more protein than 100g of tuna *added to* 100g of eggs *added to* 100g of chicken. Even if you wash it all down with 100g of milk, you still haven't reached the 75g of protein in the first portion of seitan. \n\nTo summarize: worried about expenses? Rice and beans and other vegan staples are a better option than what you have suggested. \n\nWorried about protein density? Seitan is a better option than what you have suggested *combined.*\n\nWorried about the planet? Vegan options have you there too.",
"Veganism is the moral baseline. It's the bare minimum you can do to not be a bad person.",
"Why do you think sheep are more comfortable after being sheered? Because they've been systematically bred in the same way we get 300lb pigs to get the most possible product regardless of quality. From an animal ethics perspective of course you should avoid an industry that breeds animals in such a way that results in them becoming uncomfortable, and that's without getting into the debate of space/health problems/mental stimulation.",
"I'm not crying about them, I'm pointing out that their existence shows how much *others* actually do care. I couldn't give less of a shit about my karma, but you can't deny that a downvote is a way of showing disagreement.",
"not to mention being insanely tasty. I eat meat (not often but every few weeks) and would have a really really hard time giving up cheese. But I would eat seitan over meat in 8 out of 10 dishes.\n\nBothers me that my spellcheck does not know seitan btw. . . .",
"Which large vegan subreddits have you seen this post on? I'm a member of most of them and haven't seen it on any yet.",
">Eating meat, on the other hand, is purely emotionally driven.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nNo. No, it is not. Funny how you seem to think you're able to explain the reasons for why every single person eats meat.",
"Are you looking for a researched percentage? I have no idea. A gut feeling? I would guess a very significant reduction, if consumers switch to it en masse.",
"Yet another special interest that went from needing help, to getting help, to expecting help, to making it illegal to not help them. There are so many industries and products where the *true* cost is hidden or exported because of the capture of politicians by interests. \n\nWe need to stop sheltering business interests, and let the free economy be free so we can all see the true cost of things. Note to self: Good luck with that!",
"Bro, do not sit here and actually claim veganism the bare minimum for being a good person. You guys are out of your minds if that's your actual opinion",
"Regardless of the impact on the environment,\nRed meat ( beef, pork ) are absolutely terrible for you, if anything the majority of the meat you consume should just be from chicken or fish.",
"I Googled \"vegan brigade reddit\" just now and there were dozens of links with overwhelming evidence just skimming the top of the results. Don't take my word for it.",
"Because fuck people trying to control other people's personal choices.",
"Dairy is an issue though, right? You still have to have cows, those cows produce methane, and the cows constantly have to have calves in order to lactate.\n\nStuff like honey I see as a bit more of a gray area for sure. If you that the ethical argument out of it, you could _probably_ produce honey sustainably.\n\nWool falls under the same argument as honey. If you take the ethics out of it, maybe it makes sense. (I don't know the numbers). I'm sure there are places where sheep are sheared in a way that is comfortable for them, but that is by and far not the way things happen in the industrialized wool industry.\n\nAs a whole, I feel like maybe you have a misrepresentation of how all vegans feel. I was personally vegetarian for about six years before becoming vegan. The more I learned about the industries, the more I had an _ethical_ conflict with many of them. So while I think everyone should cut beef, I think things like honey or wool are more up to you. Personally, I don't see a need for them when there's similar products on the market.",
"The only way people will stop eating meat or eat less of it is if there is an alternative that tastes the same or better. Until then, nothing will change. And no, Beyond Meat and etc in their current iteration does not taste as good as the real thing.",
"Compensate for the meat I haven't eaten yet.",
"i want my grandkids to be healthy you fuck",
"So I guess we can literally never do anything to address climate change, by your own shitty logic. \n\nWhat is so fucking hard about taking into account the impact that your decisions have on the planet/others around you?",
"Then do what you think is right. But at least put an effort in making informed choices.",
"I used to have about 15 varieties of cheese in my fridge at any given moment. I won't say I don't miss it, but you learn to find alternatives. I'm excited for lab-grown milk in 2023.",
"Fuck people who think victimizing others is a personal choice.",
"No, I'm talking about this specific post that you claimed was being brigaded that prompted you to bring it up",
"Who do you think corporations produce shit for?",
"It just pisses me off when people put the onus of responsibility on the individual. Especially when this is the result of pansy ass beef farmers demanding assistance at the expense of everyone else while actively dismissing the entire idea of government assistance.",
"So we shouldn't do good things because better things also exist? You wouldn't accept a gift of $20 because a gift of $100 also exists?",
"what a convenient way to shed any personal responsibility",
"Actually a person who decides not to eat animal products, but still uses leather or entertains themselves with horse races or hunts, isn't vegan.\n\nSorry but your idea of veganism is wrong. Veganism is simply taking the Golden Rule of \"Treat others as you would like others to treat you\" aka \"live and let live\" and applying it to animals, who can also be considered to be part of others.\n\nI'm no martyr, nor some paladin, I'm just a dude who thinks animal abuse is wrong, and veganism perfectly defines why.\n\nYou thinking veganism isn't the only option doesn't even make sense. Like sure, I can half-ass things and still contribute to animal abuse. Why should I do? Surely if there is a problem, the correct thing to do is to solve it, not just reduce it to a point I choose to ignore it, despite it causing immense harm to others.",
"Won't know unless you try it. Even then it would effect other countries beef production and could still lead to a net decrease.",
"I could see cutting down on red meat consumption, mostly because it's less healthy. But cutting down on meat all together is a complete non-starter.",
"Lol I think we can all think of worse people than meat eaters…cmon now.",
"That, or stop subsidizing meat. Other countries eat way less meat because it's just more expensive.",
"I swear, militant meat eaters are almost worse than militant vegans. It would be great if both of them would just fuck right off.\n\nYou can defend eating meat without being a complete chode about the whole thing. You like meat. You choosing not to eat meat won't make one whit of a difference to the world. Both of those are good enough reasons to justify continuing to eat it without resorting to adolescent foot-stomping (and also why large-scale problems cannot be fixed by free market economics).",
"Sounds good, why not get rid of subsidies for everything else, as well?",
"> Also things like figs are not, strictly speaking, vegan because of the wasps involved. \n\nVeganism is a philosophy of abstaining from animal products *not* because they are animal products or there are animals involved in the production, but because they almost 100% involve harming or exploiting animals.\n\nWasps going into figs is not animal abuse, nor animal exploitation, because that's what they do. Humans don't need to force them to do that, nor is gathering figs stealing something the wasps need.",
"I believe eating meat once a year is not possible, unless you are a vegetarian that wants one cheat day.",
"Are you having kids?",
"Then teach them about eating healthy portions of meat.",
"At the very least, factory farming is incredibly cruel to animals.\n\nI have no problem with raising and slaughtering animals for food. They shouldn't live in abject agony for the entirety of the process.",
"Yeah, I find zero a year much more manageable.",
"In a bubble, it's basic trophic level ecology. The higher up the food chain you eat, the more resource intensive it is. Even when you add in all the other factors such as pastures that cannot grow crops for human consumption, they very clearly say that the best beef is still worse than the worst plant. It is why when we go into space all protein will be either cell-based or plant-based.\n\nThe immediate solution is to end the massive amount of subsidies we give towards animal agriculture. I guarantee all those \"expensive\" vegan meats will be a lot more appealing once they are compared fairly. And if those subsidies went towards plant-based food options in general, food would be much, much less expensive. I am glad they tackled the whole local marketing crap as well.",
"You would probably know better than I would. I don't frequent those places, but this post has some of the markers as I pointed out above.\n\nThe results of the brigading are usually pretty obvious. Anything by that \"lnfinity\" person gets upvoted hundreds of times within minutes with hardly any comments, which is a known telltale sign.",
"I think about this from time to time, thank you India and other predominantly vegetarian or non beef eating countries. Imagine if all of India also had a taste for beef, the world would've been fucked.",
"there are problems with this mentality. Hunters are good for the environment but not as good as natural predators. It is not just getting rid of the game but which ones they eat. When hunter's hunt game they almost always are killing the most healthy and mature specimens. Natural predators are taking mostly the weak and the old. This has a strengthening effect on herds and an overall better effect on the biosphere. Additionally, when most hunters kill an animal, they take it home to butcher it. This removes the scavenger value as well reducing the population of another vital biome. You should watch the documentary on reintroduction of wolves to Yellowstone. \n\nTLDR; no, hunters are not a benefit to the environment. They kill the wrong animals (ecologically) and remove the carcass as food for scavengers.",
"Yeah but they've already been bred that way. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, so complaining about animal breeding practices is a waste of time.",
"In the [9:20 part](https://youtu.be/F1Hq8eVOMHs?t=560) they compare 800 billion tonnes removed to 50 billion tonnes emitted, the 800 being in *100* years and 50 in *1* year. Why compare an amount that takes 100 years to accumulate to one that takes only one year? If this wasn't Kurzgesagt I'd assume this to be deliberately misleading.\n\nEDIT: To elaborate I mean the \"bar chart\", which has no label for the \"in 100 years\" part, which is mentioned before showing the chart without an emphasis on the scale difference. The whole point of a chart is to make the comparison clear without having to do the math.",
"Cooking is my favorite hobby. And I enjoy dead cow being part of it sometimes.",
"That would be political suicide at least in the states. And then the next politician will restart it.",
"Why would decreasing US beef subsidies negatively affect other country's beef production? Wouldn't they produce more because they can compete with the local ranchers?",
"Absolutely. Carbon tax and dividend FTW\n\n\nhttps://energyinnovationact.org/how-it-works/\n\n r/CitizensClimateLobby",
"If your point is about being a stickler about precise terms. Then the answer is that when it comes to environmental impact. They are **both bad**. Factory farming is bad. Grass fed is bad.\n\nI think what you are looking for is challenging the claim that *'factory farming is worse.'* Factory farming can be better environmentally, and still bad environmentally. In the same way that burning oil is better than burning coal, but both are bad.",
"And even then it is not really the case. Hunting culls the strongest in the herd rather than the weakest which is bad for natural selection. Additionally removing the carcass from the field removes a food source for natural scavengers. Natural predators are way better than hunters and hunters nearly unanimously repress their populations.",
"Or don't brainwash them into thinking animals are here to be killed for you in the first place, it's better for everyone.",
"This is the argument of an 8th grader.",
"That assumes no other limitations on beef production, space, staff etc.",
"> Honestly, if you feel you cannot go vegan at this point, cut beef out of your diet. Please.\n\nI love eating meat. I have no problem with farming animals for food. I also have no problem eating less meat. I have no problem none at all.\n\nI find the idea people cannot change what they eat utterly childish. We've never had as wide of a selection of food as we do today. There are plenty of delicious things one can eat besides steak.",
"Logically speaking, a single individual going vegan is doing absolutely nothing for the environment. It's still largely driven by the feeling of doing the right thing.",
"> Guarantee you everyone will cut back then.\n\nguarantee you whichever party puts this into action gets absolutely slaughtered in the next election and any election forward until it's repealed",
"That's not what I said, work on that reading comprehension!",
"You have to actually give a reason to refute their statement.",
"How are people disturbed by the word moist but not by the word meat??\n\nYou hardly ever pronounce the t so half the time when you say it it's just 'Mea' which sounds absolutely disgusting imo",
"If you want to help the climate you shouldn't **have** grandkids either.",
">Worried about protein density? Seitan is a better option than what you have suggested combined.\n\nAs a vegan, this simply isn't true. I wish it was, but it isn't. Seitan is still plenty protein dense, more than enough for 99.9% of people, but in its current form isn't more dense than a lean whitefish.\n\nUsing grams isn't a useful measurement imo. Ultimately plenty of body-builders and athletes use a plant-based diet, and it's certainly possible to get more than enough protein. (I get 150~180g a day on 1500 calories) But let's also be honest about what we say so people can't use misinformation as a way to poke holes in our message.",
"Sorry, definitely not looking for hard numbers it was just my assumption too that lab grown could help a lot to alleviate the problem. Especially as the technology develops and becomes viable to mass produce, I hear it's already pretty indistinguishable from traditional meat taste/quality wise.",
"Yeah that isn't a problem. Hence why other countries are paying Brazil to stop deforestation.",
"I feel like people say this without meaning it. Ending factory farming ends almost all meat production. You think there should be no meat options when you go to restaurants? Because that's the reality of what you're suggesting.",
"The onus should be on the people because we elect the politicians that pass these laws to protect business interests.",
"Why? Having kids is irresponsible right?",
"You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, but you don't have to keep endlessly emptying toothpaste tubes because you did it once already.\n\nAnimal breeding practices are a big factor in the rampant advancement of treatment resistent pathogens, it's laughable that you're saying that it's a waste of time to look at how we work with animals because \"it is what it is\" while we're in the middle of a pandemic.",
"The government will subsidize whatever people are eating, because they need to maintain a productive and exploitable population of workers. More calories = more humans = More workers, more taxes, more soldiers, more cops, more GDP. \n\n\nGoogle \"reserve army of labor\"",
"Turns out most people aren’t willing to face reality and would rather continue voting for politicians that just lie to them about the impacts of their actions.",
"How about we do this with green energy too? If you want a free market for some things that you agree with, why don’t we make it all a free market? Make it fair for everyone.",
"That’s nonsense.",
"Because people need to eat and need shelter from the elements to survive",
"Anything is a cattle prod if you prod cattle with it.",
"If we’re going to subsidize anything, it should probably be things that are solving problems, not creating them.",
"I don't think it's being pedantic. Generally when people say factory farming is bad they hold onto something else as an alternative when the reality is no alternative can exist that would get us remotely close to current meat production.",
"I mean the Beef industry in the US is incredibly subsidized to even start with.",
"I'm lucky enough that he adores everything with me but my 6 year old boy especially loves kurzgesagt, we have a pact not to watch any new episodes alone.",
"Humanity needs kids to survive as a species. You don’t need to eat beef to survive.",
"Vegans come in many flavors. While I am a beekeeper honey production is only kinda ok. It's a biproduct from monocropping right now. And this monocropping is killing wild bees and other pollen collectors who can't just get on a truck and move to the next crop. Honey would be great if it was part of a sustainable agricultural movement.\n\nWool has the same issue as the meat it is producing. Reducing dependence of that meat source will reduce the available wool as well.\n\nI am not a vegan or even a vegetarian but your arguments don't hold much water.",
"Yes. The answer continues to be, yes.",
"Why would anyone vote to regulate mining and oil if they've already been indoctrinated into the flesh eating death cult",
"I'm a bodybuilder and i eat a vegan diet. It's not that hard to get sufficient protein once you know what foods contain it. r/veganfitness",
"That's unequivocally not true and you know it.",
"How is it brainwashing? It’s been a thing since complex life emerged.",
"Not everyone needs to have kids for \"humanity\" to survive. Since you are so resposinble u shouldnt have kids, and dont worry, other people will have kids.",
"yep look at all the bitching about Biden and gas prices, and that wasn't even cause by something he did",
"It's really not. As someone who has lots of friends in the cooking industry, and consider themselves a decent home cook with vegetarian, omni, _and_ vegan, I was able to make a solid vegan entree at any points of my cooking career. If you can't conceptualize a dish using the wide varieties of flavors, textures, and combinations available without a meat-profile, you are an extremely handicapped chef.",
"It's just private it still works supposedly. \n\n\nBut yeah way to piss off meat eaters and vegans at the same time.",
"Here in the UK we have huge amounts of free range food available. It's not like it can't be done.\n\nI'm sure a huge amount of battery farmed food is used in the ready meals and preprocessed food sold here. I have no problem with the cost of them going up due to a reduction in battery farming. I have no problem with more non-meat options.\n\nI have no problem ordering a vegetarian option at a restaurant. I already do occasionally. Especially when it comes to veggie burgers.",
"One thing I've learned over the past few years, is that people are largely dumb af; and need most things spelled out. I don't think their specificity was meant to attack your point, but to serve as a reminder that just because your point focused on one part of the solution doesn't mean that the unsaid part is acceptable by omission.",
"Condescension is strong in you.",
"It's explicitly true. The dairy industry is the meat industry, those cows get murdered for their flesh just the same, their children get slaughtered for veal. The egg industry engages in culling of male chicks, where they're ground up in a macerator and sold for their flesh. Vegetarians also have no problem with other products of animal abuse, like leather. They think they're boycotting meat while funding the same stuff meat eaters do. Vegetarians support animal agriculture and animal death.",
">if you feel you cannot go vegan\n\n\"It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.\"",
"More popular people making informed noise about this is about the only thing that will have any effect.",
">It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.",
"As a vegan, I often find that the people who defend meat consumption are extremely emotional about it. They will bend over backward looking for another justification even as you rattle off argument after argument.",
"Honestly I think that people would naturally eat a lot less meat if the emotional toll of killing and butchering an animal wasn't done completely out of the public's eye sight. Lots of people eat meat 3x a day which for the majority of human history was just not how people ate meat. I don't think individual choices, regardless, would have that big of an impact on climate change but the way we treat meat in the modern world has become incredibly removed from any sort of discomfort caused by killing an animal.\n\nIf people had to kill and butcher their own meat, how much less meat do you think we as a society would eat? And I mean completely independent from the time commitment of doing so (people are busy, I get that) but if you had to kill a cow every month and butcher it do you think the people eating beef every day could do that?\n\nHonestly I'm not sure - I know I couldn't which is why I've cut back on a lot of red meat (I could certainly kill chickens and have, they are pretty dumb and kinda mean tbh) but it's something I think about from time to time. And this isn't to say that no one out there could do such a thing, I'm 100% sure there are people who would be completely unfazed by doing so but I'm referring to society as a whole. I know a lot of people who love to eat meat but hate handling raw meat - what if those people were to face and kill the animal they were about to eat?",
"The most these videos can do is exactly what you are saying, changing the market.",
"Got it, so it's kinda like, when it's something \"bad\" being subsidized, then that's a shitty special interest group manipulating government, but when it's something \"good\" being subsidized, then that's perfectly acceptable and on the up and up? That sounds perfectly sensible and morally consistent.\n\nJust one question: who decides what's good and what's bad? You?",
"Shhhh. Let them feel holier than thou. It’s the only dopamine hit they are going to get.",
"Not if the chef is in a steak house ;).",
"I'm not saying that this isn't true, but the reason it does this is psychosomatic. You are still able to process meat just fine.",
"They actually did .. . you just didn't pay attention. Please rewatch.",
"Yeah you're right, preventing millions of deaths from climate catastrophe is morally ambiguous, good point.",
"Ahh so you cant cook without meat? Never worked in a kitchen before so I didnt know",
">Taxation is effective at lowering consumption. It has worked well with cigarettes across the world.\n\nYeah, now the poors just smoke meth instead.",
"It would be political suicide to do this though. That's the problem. If you're going to purposely make things that people love more expensive for them, the average voter isn't going to know about or care about the long term benefits, all they are going to see is \"hurry durrr my food is more expensive. Thanks a lot (insert president's name)! And they'll get voted out. This isn't because of the industry either. We just don't do a good job at educating people on the complexity of long term planning. People only care about short term benefit it seems.",
"End the subsidies on corn and factory farming. Use that money to subsidize open-pasture cattle raising and solve the problem.\n\nUnfortunately, Ohio is corn country, and voting to end corn subsidies is political suicide for many.",
"Honestly cutting beef out of your diet is relatively easy compared to any sort of vegetarianism. I was vegetarian for a bit (mostly eat chicken and fish for protein now as well as plant-based options ofc) but since coming back to eating meat I just literally cannot stomach beef in anything more than a bite - it gives me pretty bad cramps and is uncomfortable as hell. Once you get going, unless you are religious when it comes to steak, it's pretty self-reinforcing with eating beef.",
"Yeah, you're right, giving Elon Musk billions in subsidies is definitely \"preventing millions of deaths,\" good point. \n\nHey, let me ask one more stupid question: what if, and I know this is a really dumb question, what if there might be OTHER uses for the money that's spent on climate subsidies that might save even more lives? Like, for example, if it were spent on building hospitals or schools or on cancer research, or like, what if people were just not subsidized and the money were used on things we literally cannot even conceive of now that might be invented or discovered? Like, I'm sure you have some kind of exact science crystal ball that can predict the future and see exactly what expenditures will yield the most lives saved a hundred years from now, but can you help me understand how that works, since I'm very stupid and you're like really, really smart?",
"Untaxed meth! If you can solve the drug crisis, don't keep it to yourself.",
"If you can only work in a steakhouse, you're not a good chef.",
"what? You literally just said that cutting out meat won't save the planet but then you say the biggest issue is with the production of feed crops used to feed them. Do you not realize that if meat is eaten less, less feed crops will be grown as well?",
"Unfortunately that includes butter and milk which is much harder for me to quit.",
"I'm not. Now what, will you give up meat, fucko? Or just continue to ask what other people are doing as a way to shed personal responsibility?",
"It's a wasted effort. People need to be more collectivist and more comfortable with big government making big regulations. Climate Change is such a critical and difficult problem that any lesser more individualistic effort will be entirely useless.\n\nThe message should not be, \"eat less beef\". It should be, \"support regulation of the meat industry\". \n\nThe market is driving climate change, it will not resolve climate change.",
"Reminds me of this\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Yaa_LMDcs",
"Legalize all drugs. Let destructive people die off. Problem solved in about 20 years.",
"I mean both are good but one is action that you can do instead of feeling completely powerless.\n\nSidenote - that exact case is why I think it's so weird how the (right-wing) media attacked Hunter Biden for his fuckups. I mean, fair enough about the Ukraine shit because there is no way you can say he's qualified for that position but that's also not really a personal indictment. I would certainly take a do nothing job for 500k because someone wanted something from my 'rents. But Beau was wildly complicit in letting that man walk and nobody talked about that. Hunter is unironically the \"good\" son in that family. He's just a normal fuckup.",
"You mean you don't [pocket mulch](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Yaa_LMDcs)?",
">The more animals suffer, the better they are for climate change\n\nReverse global warming with this one weird trick!",
"Cheap due to subsidies. Also not really, just [look at this dude](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHrysja5lYw&ab_channel=Clarence0). And most people aren't body builders.",
"Funny how you didn’t mention a single rational argument for why someone eats meat. \n\n\nIf they’re on a desert island? Go for it. Local market in a food desert literally only sells beef and eggs? Guess you’re stuck. Prefer the taste? Well that’s an emotional argument. Need protein? So do vegans, and there are plenty of protein dense vegan options.",
"How can u ask other people to give up meat if u dont even give up having kids. Seems kinda hypocritical.",
"So you're saying that once I tell you that your phone and other computing devices were made from rare earth materials, the mining of which is extremely dirty and destroys habitats from Africa to Asia, you're going to stop using them or buying new ones?",
"When people talk about issues they usually tend to not bother with the 1 in 10000 edge cases like yours. It adds nothing to the conversation. It just forces people to add \"in 99.99% of cases\".",
"Sure I can. But cooking exclusively without it is not something I’m interested in doing.",
"People are taught to be selfish. If instead of framing this as a practical issue you teach people how to have compassion and teach them that animals suffer and die to make meat, that will motivate them to change. \n\nThose skills of compassion, selflessness and empathy are also generalizable, and will improve society if adopted.\n\nFix the problem, not the symptom.",
"They could have an allergy or intolerance my man...",
"Fuck that. If you still want to eat meat, get over it.",
"I’m one of those who are unfazed by butchering an animal (be it deer/chicken/Turkey/chipmunks) however you are quite right on the rest of society. My wife couldn’t go in the kitchen while I was butchering a rooster, however as soon as it was plucked, gutted and looked like a regular store bought chicken she was completely fine with it.",
"I HAVE TO EAT MEAT 3 TIMES A DAY JUST TO FLEX ON THOSE COMMIE VEGANS",
"I wonder if the mailman feels the same\n\n\"Sure I can deliver information without paper but its just not something I'm interested in\"",
"So if I want to stop my neighbour from burning tyres in his back yard, am I trying to control his personal choice, or maybe am I realising that actions which have an impact on others(not to mention the planet) aren't really \"personal choice\".",
"If you're wondering why someone isn't having an honest conversation with you, it's because you're not really giving any decent points to discuss.\n\nMy main response to you is that I think it's funny that you equate Musk subsidies with climate subsidies, as if anyone advocating for more money spent fighting the climate crisis want to pay Musk more.\n\nIt is also hilarious that you seem to think that people who want to reduce the climate crisis would be opposed to funding health care and education? \n\nLastly I'll say that the reason why climate crisis is so focused on is because it's more efficient. You can pour all the money you want into healthcare, when people start dropping dead from 40 degree weather or starve to death from food shortages, that money isn't gonna go very far.",
"If the paper is part of what makes them enjoy being a mailman, it’s a fair stance.",
"I just said I'm not having kids. Does that mean that you'll give up meat?",
"Reducing subsidies on demand means cost of good increases. Increased cost of good means people pay more. Paying more for a good means people will buy it less.",
"No lol putting your wants before the worlds needs is very parasitic",
">Eating a burger = burning tires\n\nReddit moment",
"No it's not. Veganism is a moral philosophy, not a practical strategy. If you're vegan to help humans or for selfish personal gain you're doing it for the wrong reasons.\n\nAny personal benefit or practical advantages are ancillary. Even if veganism was worse for the environment I'd still be vegan. Grow a spine.",
"> Getting the equivalent amount of protein from plants is not as viable as vegans make it seem.\n\nYes it is. You just don't know how to cook.",
"Who is “the world”?\n\nHumanity? Native animals? Farm animals? Cockroaches waiting for their chance to reign? \n\nThese things all have conflicting needs.",
"You're overpaying",
"It should be significantly less as the energy expended is going to be almost entirely cell replication + cell respiration for a few weeks vs the energy costs of keeping all of a cow alive for years.",
"I could be wrong. I was just using google's nutritional information tool which is purportedly generated with the USDA as a data source and states that 100g of seitan contains 75g of protein, while 100g of tuna contains 28g of protein. \n\nNot sure why grams isn't a useful measurement though. But yes I do agree that getting enough protein on a vegan diet is, in practice, not just doable but affordable.",
"we could change our emissions from food sources in a matter of years. Most of the other 74% will require decades even if we have a crash program to change them.",
"Lol, the internet has made everyone idiots. This isn’t some grand conspiracy. \n\nPreventing climate disaster = good.\nContributing to it = bad. \n\nI bet you thought you had a really smart point though.",
"And this right here is why people don't like internet/activist vegans. It's never enough unless you strictly conform to exactly what they demand. Cutting back on meat? Not enough you're basically doing nothing. Go vegetarian? Not enough, you're no better than a meat eater. \n\nEveryone isn't going to go vegan ever, and even if they did it it wouldn't happen overnight. But negging like this just discourages people from making small positive changes.",
"That place that is making bacon from Koji is awesome and good for you, yes.",
"I’m convinced I’m arguing with a literal 13 year old…",
"Can I afford to not have electronics? No, I wish it wasn't necessary but it's part of my job to have a work computer and my civic duty as well to carry a phone for emergencies.\n\nCan you afford to not eat meat? Because I'm not purchasing electronics three times a day. I don't go around buying the newest smartphone model. I've only had two phones, one I got in 2010 and the other in 2020. I've only had one computer.",
"Because they won't take personal responsibility for the decisions they make, correct.",
"> Over the past few months I've completely stopped buying red meat and have been sticking to chicken and fish\n\nI'm sure the cows appreciate that! Pretty kind of you <3",
"This video assumes that food waste animals eat can't be used for anything and to replace manure you need petroleum based fertilizers.",
">Who is “the world”?\n\nSay this out loud and just laugh at yourself man. Can't argue with your narrow-minded stance.",
"I was trying to quote a price that's accessible to everyone so I looked on Amazon. But you're right, definitely cheaper at the Indian store.",
"Likely similar to industrial fermentation processes.\n\nToo bad it's a fucking pipe dream",
"Both choices are actually feelings based, facts mean nothing without feelings after all.",
"> it only would if you could convince everyone around you to do the same\n\nSo do that",
"Lentils are no where near as protein dense as chicken.\n\nEven the best vegan options (like seitan, tempeh, etc) don’t come close to protein per calorie of chicken/tuna/egg whites\n\n1500 and 99g isn’t even good. I eat 1500 calories a day and require 120-150 grams of protein while cutting",
"Lol this is a crock. Meat has been a part of our diet for millions of years before modern humans even existed. In fact meat eating along with cooking likely led to the evolution of modern humans. To pretend that our bodies aren't adapted to be omnivores because eating a cow hurts your feelings is the emotionally driven argument.",
"But if you aren't perfect I can ignore all your valid points and feel justified in my bad choices!",
"Pretty sure his audience is a group of people, not an individual.",
"Is there a major food product in the US that isn't?",
"If you have a dispute with the numbers please present your information",
"\"I didn't check the sources but the sources are wrong\"",
"I’d imagine lab grown milk would come first. If we can get bacteria or yeast to make milk we could replace half of the cattle used for milk.",
"Grams isn't a useful measurement because the body doesn't measure food in grams. It measures it in calories. The average recommended consumption is 2500 calories for men, and 2000 for women, not grams of food. In that regard, most seitans are about 17~20g of protein be 100 calories, while tuna is 21.5. Both are extremely protein dense, but tuna is almost straight protein. Most vegan protein sources, such as tofu, are about 10g of protein per 100 calories. Textured vegetable rotein and seitan are what you want to look at as a vegan. (besides straight protein powders of course)",
"I'd encourage you to dig into how scalable those options ultimately are and what terms like free range actually mean. \n\nAnd again, all that free range stuff is substantially worse for the environment. There's a trade off where anything to make meat more ethical will make it hurt us humans more. The obvious solution is to just give it up. \n\nThere's some core challenges I'd put to the idea that we could ever ensure ethical farming of an animal that can't speak up for itself. Ultimately it's impossible to get to whatever you probably think would be ethical and still have any form of livestock industry left.",
"°fucked sooner.",
"Yea for sure my gf is the same way. Loves beef especially but won't handle it and since I don't really cook it she has cut down by proxy. Does order a nice burger occasionally when we go out but honestly can't fault anyone for that haha. Even when I was vegetarian I would cook meat for her occasionally because she was pretty adverse to it and I didn't mind doing it from time to time.\n\nFor what it's worth I do think that butchering an animal you hunted (like a deer) is different than one you raised (like a cow / pig). Not saying you wouldn't be comfortable with the 2nd just personally I'm pretty interested in going hunting / butchering a deer but have no real interest in doing so with a farm animal.",
"im 14 u bitch",
"Plant-based versions of those things have come a *long* way even just in the last ten years. When I first went vegan in high school, we basically had soy milk and, if you were lucky, refined coconut oil as a butter substitute or some kinds of margarine. \n\nThese days even your basic grocery store has several plant-based milk and butter options. And that's before we even talk about the new types of vegan cheeses and meat substitutes and restaurants that are all over these days. There has never been an easier time to go vegan. Does that mean it's easy for everyone? No. It can still be a difficult task to get over dietary habits just as it is to get over any habit. But once you do it gets very easy. \n\nEven back in the days of one brand of soy milk and one type of rice cheese, after about a month it was easy to stick to being vegan without even wanting to go back. And by now the thought of like a steak or something sounds absolutely disgusting to me.",
"800b tons of invisible, weightless gas is hard to put into context for most. 100 years of 50 billion tons is 5,000 tons, of which 800 billion is 16%, a sizeable portion regardless.",
"Lab grown milk is coming by 2023 according to a lot of companies that specialize in lab grown alternatives.",
"> If you're wondering why someone isn't having an honest conversation with you, it's because you're not really giving any decent points to discuss.\n\nLOL, this is Reddit. \"Honest conversation?\" LOL\n\n> It is also hilarious that you seem to think that people who want to reduce the climate crisis would be opposed to funding health care and education? \n\nOf course they wouldn't, as long as they're spending other people's money and giving it to people they like, why would they? That's not \"corruption\" and \"special interests,\" right? That's \"good guys on the up and up\"! If it saves one life!\n\n> Lastly I'll say that the reason why climate crisis is so focused on is because it's more efficient. You can pour all the money you want into healthcare, when people start dropping dead from 40 degree weather or starve to death from food shortages, that money isn't gonna go very far.\n\nCool, let me repeat my question again: how do you know that the subsidies are the best way to spend that money? I'll repeat it again: how do you know subsidies are the best way to spend that money?",
"Glad to see someone address the land use arguments, I've been wavering because of them.",
"\"tradition tho\" is an emotional argument",
"Kudos to Kurzgesagt. He'll get a lot of flak for this.\n\nI was raised as a pescetarian and later became vegetarian. In my experience, there are a lot of people that make it very hard to have a reasonable conversation about eating meat. People can be incredibly defensive about it, even when I try to limit the conversation just to my reasons for not eating meat (I never bother evangelising). That said, people do generally react better now than they did 10 years ago, so that's something.",
"To add to this, be sure and increase your dietary intake of fish, chicken, eggs and milk to compensate! Maybe eat even more of all those. You wouldn't want anyone to think you're vegan after all.",
"Yes I do, from a purely personal standpoint. I also think that soon lab-grown meat will be a viable alternative, so we can replace factory farming with that.",
"What subsidies are you talking about?",
"Ooo more negging. That totally makes me want to become vegan overnight./s\n\n You do realize people like you actually dissuade people from veganism right? Does the diet poison your brain and make you become an insufferable douche? Or are insufferable douches just more prone to becoming vegans? I'd say it's a \"chicken and the egg\" situation but that'd be supporting the meat industry and you'd whine about it.\n\nNot like everyone cutting back on meat would have a marked effect on national meat production. That's not good enough! Everyone must strictly conform to your personal ideals!",
"> Preventing climate disaster = good. Contributing to it = bad. \n\nGood compared to what? Money can't be spent on two things at once, last time I checked. If we spend it on a subsidy for Tesla, and that saves one life, or we don't tax people, and someone uses the money he gets to keep in taxes to start a business that invents a new water purification device that saves fifteen thousand lives, which is a better outcome? Which is \"good\" and which is \"bad?\" \n\nI agree, there are a lot of idiots on the internet who don't understand the simplest, most basic concepts of economics but then call other people idiots, LOLLLLLLLLLLL",
"Biology is not tradition.",
"Have you seen his refugee video? Deliberately mislead is what he does.",
"Because green energy has positive externalities like less pollution. Meat has negative externalities like more pollution. This is a pretty basic economic concept",
"Are you vegan, or is your opinion on how to convert people to veganism so worthless it doesn't even work on yourself?",
"lol no",
"It's just an example of an individual \"personal choice\" action that has an impact on others. Is it that hard to understand?",
"We're omnivores, not carnivores. Try again, you don't need meat.",
"Literally any subsidy. How do you know any given subsidy is the best possible way to spend the money that is spent on it? Do you simply trust that politicians are good, honest, infallible genius saints who never do wrong or make mistakes and can see the future? I'm curious.",
"My diet is none of your business, because you'll whine and bitch about it because I'm sure it's not \"good enough\"",
"so 800 billion tonnes removed in 100 years and 5000 billion tonnes emitted in 100 years. \nprobably because the 50/year is current, while 20 years ago it was probably something like 30/year. \nStill, could reduce the removed value to \"8 billion tonnes removed\"",
"No - but there are degrees to it. The beef industry has been ruled by the WTO as making other beef too non-competitive in US markets not that that actually does anything but it does show that beef is somewhat exceptional. It's also a relatively recent phenomenon that beef is eaten as much as it is - really until the 50s or 60s pork was king in US households and this does tie back into government subsidies around beef.",
"Cool. Doesn't mean everyone can just up and switch to a vegan diet. It doesn't work that way, especially since eating vegan is incredibly expensive and complicated when compare to a normal omni diet. Do you think the millions (if not billions) of impoverished people all over the world have the ability and/or money to just completely stop eating relatively affordable animal-based foods that provide them with just enough nutrients to survive, and switch to a much more expensive diet that requires more time and energy to manage? It's not feasible.\n\nIf you want to be vegan and you think it's the right thing to do, good on ya. Keep doing what you think is right. But the whole world can't just drop meat products and only produce/eat plant products that easily.",
"Never said we were carnivores? Omnivores eat meat.",
"Ah, vegetarian, got it. No wonder.",
"Personally, I do. They aren't necessary.",
"This is my issue with the “meat substitutes” I cut back on my meat intake but don’t advertise plant based meat as a substitute for the real thing. It’s not and never will be. They don’t taste the same. The industry needs to stop trying to promote moving from meat to these fake plant based meats and just let them be their own thing. No one is believing a impossible burger is even close to a regular burger. Just give people facts on why they should stop consuming meat and not trying to persuade them with something that isn’t what they are looking for.",
">Try again, you don't need meat.",
"We’re not talking about subsidizing Tesla, here. We’re talking about subsidizing beef production, which is fairly objectively bad. We generally shouldn’t be subsidizing things, but if we are going to do it, we should do it on things that are very clearly good for society. \n\nFfs, there’s an entire generation of people out there who only know how to debate semantics instead of actually making any real points…",
"Sounds about right.",
"Why is that misleading? A little math gives 6.3 years",
"No protein cheaper than beans.",
"Okay, we raped, kept slaves, and murdered for fun for many more years than we haven't. Are you saying we should continue to do those to? All probably led to the evolution of modern humans. As an intelligent species, we can evolve and outgrow tendencies we no longer deem fit for ourselves. The concept of consent makes to evolutionary sense, but we as a society has agreed that it's a step forward from our past.",
"Well the climate is fucked so …",
"Ohhh I see what you're saying. Yeah grams might not be useful in terms of protein per calorie. But at the same time, spinach, for example, accounts for about half of its calories from protein. Protein per calorie might seem like a great measurement there. Better than tofu! But no one wants to eat enough spinach to get all of their protein from spinach lmao. On top of that, prices aren't calculated in terms of calories. So in a conversation about costs, protein per calories is again not the operative factor. So I think standardizing it by gram is still useful in terms of practical information, even if protein per calories makes the most sense for your usecase.",
"Because it shows that within 50 billion tonnes a year quickly adds up to 800 billion tonnes within a few years, it shows how crucial it is to make these change. It shows a sustainable value basically.",
"What an absolute moron. Did you really think asking about other people's choices was a good argument? Truly one of the biggest idiots of our time",
"Are you genuinely saying that it is physically impossible to make decisions in general? That no decision can be made because it might be wrong?\n\nYou would look at the evidence to support the benefits vs the cost of the subsidy. E.g. subsidies for meat, you could look at all of the evidence cited in this video and realise that it would have a negative effect on the climate, and use that to make your decision. \n\nWhether you trust politicians is a seperate issue to what you initially were arguing, which was \"but perhaps trying to reduce climate change is bad actually!\". There are ways to address that as well, with movements such as proportional representation, citizens assemblys, increasing governmental watchdogs etc but as I say, that's a different issue from what you initially discussed.",
"Fake meat is often made as a transitional item to help people who want to wean themselves off of meat.",
"Dairy exists in strong connection to the livestock industry. You still gotta birth all those calves and the production of dairy is bad for the environment as well. Dairy is about even with CO2.\n\nYou can just not forcibly breed more sheep. Like it'd be better for the environment too.",
"Where’d you get your degree in commodity price economics?",
"See. That shit right there is why literally everyone hates vegans.",
"But not eating it is the emotionally driven choice. You are choosing to not be an omnivore based solely on feelings and emotions.",
"Seitan is better than egg whites and comparable to chicken. Tuna is slightly better than the rest. All are more than enough for normal consumption and all are adequate for body-building.",
"You just said the USA goes vegan and compared it on a global scale 😂 the worst use of stats ever. Compare it to the USA emmisjons and not the world, lastly dude 2% is an incredible amount actually.",
"Wow you completely proved the guy above you correct.",
"Did we evolve to rape and enslave people? No. Did we evolve to eat meat? Yes. That's what being an omnivore is. All I'm saying is, veganism is the emotionally driven decision, not eating meat.",
">Doesn't mean everyone can just up and switch to a vegan diet. \n\nThat's exactly what it means. \n\n>eating vegan is incredibly expensive \n\nLentils are like $1 per lbs. You just don't want to eat poor people food because you think you're hot shit. It's an ego issue my guy, get over yourself. You're not big and strong because you prey one helpless animals.\n\nAre you impoverished? No? Go vegan then.\n\n>Do you think the millions (if not billions) of impoverished people all over the world have the ability and/or money to just completely stop eating relatively affordable animal-based foods\n\nThose people are suffering from food insecurity because liberal meat eating countries take all their grain and beans for animal feed. You're the one stealing food from the mouths of poor ppl my guy. If you care about humans you should care about the moral injury and starvation being imposed on them by animal agriculture.",
"Meat has been a part, but very often a minor part. And if you really do want to go back millions of years, then you've ventured into some of our ancestors who show no evidence of eating meat outside of the occasional insect, certainly nothing to the degree of eating a large chunk of protein with almost every, and sometimes literally every, meal. Australopithecus afarensis, for example, was basically vegetarian.",
"That's okay, I hate animal abusers",
"Cultural change comes before political change. We gotta support alternatives and not support the problems in order to make the alternatives cheaper, better, and more abundant. Government will never remove subsidies as long as the public at large is against it.",
"Watch the video.",
"Vegan butter and oat milk. Solved.",
"Meat consumption is going down and alternatives are going up within the developed world. You could be part of a movement to improve things or just complain online.",
"yes but \"Cutting meat out of your diet isn’t going to save the planet\" is wrong. Maybe not one person alone but the whole point of mass communication is to reach large numbers of people.",
">much more expensive diet\n\nVegan diets are literally the cheapest diets, unless you are on an isolated place like an island. There is a reason why the poorest parts of the world eat mostly cereals and legumes.",
"Either greater masses of people or more massive people.",
"Lol meat eating predates modern humans by millions of years, nice try though. Don't see many undeveloped vegan tribes. In fact I don't think there are any tribes living that are vegan.",
"It's not the only logical choice. \n\nYou already said it. There are plenty of meat analog products, and they are increasing in number and quality rapidly. Vegans like meat too, but they eat a substitute *because they aren't just driven by their preferences.* This isn't the gotcha you think it is. It just proves that vegans are capable of inconveniencing themselves to live in better accord with their logic, and that people who eat meat are unwilling to do exactly that because their feelings, for them, are more important than facts.",
"Protein per calorie is the best in almost all use cases. When your are comparing density, calories are the standard, not weight. \n\n> But no one wants to eat enough spinach to get all of their protein from spinach lmao.\n\nI think most people don't enjoy eating a monotonous diet in general. Lots of body buildings use spinach in their shakes. I eat spinach salads pretty often.\n\n> So in a conversation about costs, protein per calories is again not the operative factor. \n\nIt still is though. Calories are what keep you full. If you are hungry, it is better to eat a 100g of seitan than 500g of spinach. If will keep you much more full and provide you better nutrients because it is more nutritionally dense.",
"of course the government will need to get involved but, without changing enough people's minds, this will never happen. Unless you have a plan to remove democracy that is.",
"This is complete bullshit. Vegans/vegetarians often only realize they’ve eaten something with meat after the fact when they experience extreme nausea/vomiting/diarrhea. Nothing psychosomatic about it.",
"You are right, those things are not comparable. Having kids is much worse for the enviroment.",
"It's amazing how you guys are so dense as to not realize your douchiness makes people less likely to go adopt your views. It's like you guys like shooting yourself in the foot and it's hilarious.",
"Ye it is good choice. Good thing that you dont will have kids, ur bloodline will end with you.",
"Psychological",
"Does individual responsibility not matter? Currently there are hundreds of thousands of tonnes of plastic in the ocean. Going by your logic it would be no problem for me to throw my plastic waste in the ocean, because my individual waste is minuscule and inconsequential in the grand scheme of things. \n\nPlastic waste is a complicated problem that needs a systemic approach in order to be overcome to fully, just like the ecological impact of animal agriculture. Yet almost everyone agrees that we have personal responsibility to not pollute the ocean needlessly. Why do we then make this exception for eating meat/dairy? I suspect it's because it actually requires personal action and sacrifice, rather than just ranting at politicians and societal systems.",
">Waaah a vegan was mean to me so I'm going to go murder for fun",
"Neither will I.",
"Having a hunting licence does not mean you eat hunted meat, and even if they do I would be willing to bet anything that the wast majority of them still mostly eat store bought meat. \n\nSo again, I'm sure 99.99% meat consumption is not from hunting unless you have some data to prove otherwise.",
"If obesity is good for the economy then sure. That'd be great for the health insurance industry I'm sure. Anything to make a profit, that's all we are in the eyes of the system.",
"I'd rather die than be on a raft with you",
"Nope.",
"My stance is that nothing is objectively important.\n\nAnd subjectivity is….subjective.\n\nAll that’s important to me is what makes me happy. And that includes meat.\n\nNo point in arguing as you say, since there is no way to change my mind without introducing some philosophical concept that will make me happier if I adopt it.",
"Rape is definitely an evolved stance. Any male organism that reproduces sexually wants to theoretically reproduce as much as possible. Slavery is more nuanced, but I think there's a strong argument that it was crucial to human evolution in the past. I think it's okay to accept that, and accept that we as a species have moved beyond that.",
"Still gonna eat it",
"An interesting watch, though it's almost entirely dependent on one source, Prof. Frank Mitloehner. My understanding is that there is criticism of how he performed some of his measurements. His work is also at least in part funded by the livestock industry.",
"Like I said, try getting a new* hobby.\n\nEdit: for those with too much time on their hands",
"How does the existence of fake meat prove that? Fake meat exists *because* humans are attached to the emotional idea of meat. And that's okay. Humans don't live in a vacuum, we aren't soulless robots. But if we were, veganism is clearly what makes sense on paper.",
"Well why not give people money instead of giving businesses money? Then it goes to the businesses that provide them the best value.",
">Does individual responsibility not matter?\n\nYes. Individual responsibility is promoted by polluters to distract from the real problem. Not only does individual responsibility not matter, it is actively harmful to talk about or advocate for it as a solution to climate change.\n\nAlso it is illegal to personally dump garbage into the ocean or rivers. The actual solution has been implemented for citizen behavior. We don't relay on everyone just individually acting like they need to.",
"Well you evidently didn’t learn anything about OPEC or how natural gas and crude oil are not the same thing while studying accounting and finance…",
"It's not a what came first though lmao. That's not what's important here. If it is, dang, I guess we all should start reproducing asexually! Our earliest ancestors did that, after all. \n\nPoint is, many times in our evolutionary past we have been all or mostly herbivorous. From synapsids to primates. \n\nBut my original point about eating a hunk of meat with every meal was not an evolutionary one, but a biological one. Meat simply was not consumed in such a high quantity as it is today for much of *modern* human culture. Did we eat zero meat? No. But I didn't say that we did. Only that the current paradigm we are in should not be seen as permanent or inherent as if it should always be this way and has always been this way because it hasn't.",
"Seitan is inferior to egg whites. This isn’t a debate lol. \n\n100g egg whites has 52 calories and 11 grams of protein. 11/52 = .21 \n\n100g seitan has 126 calories and 25 grams protein 25/126 = .19 \n\nReally don’t care what a total stranger has to say about what’s adequate for my health. Lol. Facts are facts - animal products are superior in terms of protein per calorie.\n\nI do actually do vegan Monday’s. Personally have 0 ethical qualms eating meat tho. Just think it’s better for the environment.",
"> There is a great and purely logical, fact-based case to be made for veganism.\n\nWhat is this case?",
"Yeah except most of the time the options we're given for politicians are Politician A who supports corporate interests while being angry and Politician B who supports corporate interests while being nice. If a candidate doesn't support corporate interests, then the corporations will spend as much as it takes to make sure they don't end up in office. Occasionally one slips through, but it's the exception, not the rule.",
"I care about the environment. That's why I only eat locally sourced human babies. They can't emit if they're getting bit.",
"Why though? Genuinely curious.",
"That's clearly not what I meant by soulless.",
"Biden isn't the cause of the current gas prices. Low demand for 1.5 years that suddenly rose coupled with a slow supply side movement is. Keystone XL would've done nothing to alleviate this, as it's a drop in the bucket and most of the oil it would've carried would've gone overseas anyway. Biden also isn't blocking new fracking contracts, though he should. He put a stay on new contracts *on federal land specifically* that lasted for a few months, but a judge struck down a small part of it and he just gave up on the whole thing\n\nedit: more explicit on the cause",
"You and me against the fascists.",
"Specifically Miyoko’s vegan butter. That stuff fucking rocks.",
"> As a whole, I feel like maybe you have a misrepresentation of how all vegans feel.\n\nAre you claiming that your experience and opinions are the same as all vegans? Your personal experience is perfectly valid, but let's be honest. The most well known vegan group is PETA and personally, I think they're nuts.\n\nI wasn't going to get this deep into things, I was merely pointing out that everyone being pure vegan is not the \"most logical\" solution to the problem and then trying to distinguish the difference to someone.\n\nPersonally, I'm a meat eater. Mostly because I can't stand anything soy based. Tofu is absolutely disgusting. Edamame is about the only thing I can stand as a snack or appetizer but apparently that has been known to cause digestion issues.\n\nNow. That being said, I fully, completely, 100% agree that the North American diet is terrible. There is no way we need to consume as much meat as we do. We only need about 1/4lb or so of meat per day unless you have a physically demanding job like a professional athlete or firefighter. So bacon and eggs for breakfast, a burger for lunch, and then an 8oz steak for dinner is absurd. And I'm being small with that steak. \n\nOkay, so let's make plant-based protein more meat like. That's just a terrible idea. More and more evidence is coming out that over-processing our food is part of the problem. How much processing goes in to making plants look and act like meat? And how many other things are they shoving in there? And it still doesn't taste right. Honestly, Indians do veggie based meals far, far better than any fake meat.\n\nAnother thing is veganism simply can not work for everyone. I, personally, know three people that got sick (not the right word but it's the closest) on a vegan diet. So they went to the doctor and it turns out that their bodies wouldn't process plant-based proteins well enough so they had to go back to meat. And before anyone starts with the \"They didn't do vegan right!\" crap. Google \"gluten intolerance\". Gluten is they best known plant protein for causing health issues with people.\n\nSo, what's the solution? I have my opinion. But vegans (as a whole) don't like it.",
"TVP is cheap as fuck and low calorie and high protein.",
"They are a benefit to the environment when natural predators no longer exist or no longer exist in sufficient numbers to keep prey animal populations in check. That's not the hunters fault. Urban development constantly encroaches on predator territory, pushing them out and ultimately lowering their numbers.",
"That's called food stamps \n\n\nBetter yet maybe they shouldn't be allowed to operate for profit at all. Food is a basic need, not a commodity.",
"We're too overpopulated for it. Fucking blows.",
"So much farming is subsidized. You could claim the same about corn, in the US. Many subsidies are simply the government making sure there's enough supply by keeping production steady (instead of fluctuating with the market). The point is that this happens with far more than meat, and if you're going to argue honestly you have to apply the \"stop farm subsidies\" argument equally.",
"The source I used said 55 calories for 10 grams of protein, so with your numbers, I agree, egg whites are better. Clearly though, the two are fairly comparable. \n\n> Really don’t care what a total stranger has to say about what’s adequate for my health. Lol. Facts are facts - animal products are superior in terms of protein per calorie.\n\nNobody was telling you what was adequate for your health. You said plant-based options don't come close, and that's simply not true. You are talking about an extremely negligible difference. I eat 1500 calories a day and consume 150~180g of plant-based proteins.",
"The vast majority of fracking is for natural gas and fracking in general has a negligible impact on global oil prices…\n\nEdit: I love how literally any sort of disagreement is seen by you as “trolling”. Like it’s not possible that you’re just some 24 year old recent grad who doesn’t actually know fuck all about the world? It must be that anyone who disagrees with you is just a troll…\n\nLol.",
"The more politically palatable option would be \"replace beef subsidies with food subsidies\" so stuff like cheese pizza, bean burritos, and coffee all get cheaper\n\n...People would still complain, but at least they'd be partially balanced out by happy vegetarians and starbucks addicts",
">Use that money to subsidize open-pasture cattle raising and solve the problem.\n\nSomeone didn't actually watch the video.",
"ok, yes the dairy industry also produces meat. However dairy cows account for about 25% of the cows and that produces all the dairy we currently consume. If people dropped their meat consumption, we could reduce the carbon footprint of the beef industry by as much as 75% just based on numbers. Additionally, reducing the number of beef cows could allow for more natural and carbon neutral feeding as well as opening natural biomes from the about 25% less land needed for farming. \n\nThe culling of male chicks, while sick, has a very, very minor affect on carbon emissions. \n\n> Vegetarians also have no problem with other products of animal abuse, like leather. \n\nahhhhh, I see. You think that any farming of animals is abuse. I'd like to see where you draw the line. Is eating oysters animal abuse? Collecting honey? How about eating insects? Should we use products like shellac? What about pharmaceutical drugs that use animal byproducts? What about gelatin? Where do you draw the line with your morality? Plants are alive as well and we know far, far to little about the brain, life or any type of soul to say for sure what is what.",
"Get involved in primaries then so that better candidates make it through?",
"Meat allergy is a thing, happens as a result of a tick bite. Look up \"Alpha gal\" and be shocked. I know a three of people who are allergic to meat because of this. One of them ended up going to the hospital before they figured out what it was. An allergist can help figure it out.",
"Oat milk is pretty cool IMO. Oatly or even the trader joe's versions are quite good.\n\nCheese, I have not found a substitute that works for me yet.",
">Is eating oysters animal abuse? Collecting honey? How about eating insects? Should we use products like shellac? What about pharmaceutical drugs that use animal byproducts? What about gelatin? \n\nYes to all of the above examples being abusive. I draw the line at animals and products derived from them or their exploitation.",
"Tell that to my older self who went from being vegetarian to a meat eater. For the first 6 months I would get insane stomach cramps every time I ate red meat. The body and gut bacteria 100% adapt to your diet. Introduce something that it's not had before or you rarely eat and you may well end up with a reaction to it. It isn't psychosomatic at all - I wanted to eat meat but my body just didn't adapt well to it.",
"Kind of weird to think it might be misleading when the video literally says out loud, slowly and consecutively, the time ranges involved. It's not like they were hidden behind axis labels or something. My first thought when hearing it was \"hey, that's over 10 years worth of emissions.\" Was it not yours?",
"Most vegans I know aren't fans of PETA. I also want to make it clear, I'm not against meat, I'm against the exploitation of animals. Lab-grown meat and dairy is almost here, and as veganism spreads, more and more appetizing forms of plant-based proteins are appearing. I'm not the biggest fan of tofu either, but I can definitely make it work in a dish. I like Textured Vegetable Protein, Tempeh, and Seitan. Seitan and possible tempeh (depending on what kind) do not work for people with gluten intolerance. There are ways around that, but most people aren't familiar with how to cook it. If there were most plentiful and easily accessible options, then meat wouldn't really be necessary. _That_ is why veganism is the logical answer. A fully realized vegan system would mean, cheaper, more plentiful, and healthier foods.\n\nPlant-based =/= vegan. Lab-grown meat is vegan, it's not plant-based.",
"Didn't read the comment.",
"\"waaah I'm a douche and people won't do what I want them to for some reason\" \n\nI'd say you catch more flies with honey but you'd call that genocide.",
"Cheese depends on the what I'm cooking, but yeah, it's rough. Surprisingly boxed silken tofu (I like Mori-nu) has worked for me a lot in quesos and cream-sauces, but none of them feel totally the same. I miss a slice of a good aged cheddar.",
">meat was a luxury\n\nI agree. Meat, dairy, and prepackaged products that contain them are among the most expensive things you can eat. \n\nOn the other hand, produce, legumes, pulses, cereals, etc. are among the *least* expensive. Food aid is sent in the form of rice and beans, not in the form of beef and eggs. \n\nI 100% agree that meat is a luxury. It's a luxury that many people in the world literally can't afford. It's also detrimental to the environment. It's also morally indefensible. \n\nI can almost feel the cognitive dissonance of you typing out that meat is a luxury and then trying to slam me in the next sentence for \"having the luxury\" of eating the way that I do.",
"Not genocide, just an exploitative practice that doesn't save anything because profitable honey bees are invasive species that crowd out native bees. Factory farming animals for meat is genocide.",
"Except that would be *actually* misleading... This isn't CO2 that is being removed continuously and indefinitely. By letting that much land go back to nature they are saying that 800 billion tons could end up being sunk into the land and wildlife there, and that it would take up to 100 years to happen...",
"They're not allergic to all meat because of that, only hooved animals because of a specific protein. They can eat chicken, turkey, fish, etc.",
"Lol missing the point a bit. But hey, have fun never convincing anyone to go vegan because you're too self righteous.",
"That it is inherently less efficient to feed food to food in order to make a type of food which contributes a small amount of our overall calories but uses up a large amount of our resources. \n\nThat meat is demonstrably bad for the planet. That if everyone went vegan 3 billion hectares of land could be reclaimed, CO2 could be sequestered from, rather than added to, the atmosphere. Just basically everything that has been discussed in this entire thread and in the video for which the thread was created lmao.",
"Of course, but the last commenter was being super dismissive and doesn't seem to realize meat allergy is real.",
"I have converted more people to veganism than you have, so I think my tactics are more effective than your opinion thanks. Have a nice day.",
"> Better yet maybe they shouldn't be allowed to operate for profit at all.\n\nSo then government owned and operated farms only? Or are you expecting people to prepare your food out of the goodness of their hearts?",
"Yeah, like back in the day I went to a vegetarian thanksgiving with a Tofurkey entree -- which was this offputting not-really-turkey type thing and I hated it. This year I went to a vegetarian thanksiging with a butternut squash risotto entree and I loved it.\n\nVeggies, beans and grains taste insanely good, you don't need to give them the animal crackers treatment. ...If someone shoved hamburger meat into a sleeve and called it a \"Beef Banana\" I'd hate that too",
"and what is your rationale? Why do the lives of animals with no brains have value when plants with primitive nervous systems that rival these animals not? Are you willing to die because you can't take a life saving drug that contains an animal product? Even if an animal isn't harmed? What is the damage to bees by the collection of honey? You understand that the honey industry is a vital part of the plant based farming industry as well?\n\n> draw the line at animals and products derived from them or their exploitation.\n\nDefine animal (because it does not seem like you know this) and explain to me why they are more important than other life.",
"The chickens were raised. They are my mother in law and a friends chickens, I’m called on when one needs to be put down due to injury or if one of the roosters gets violent.",
"cooking is one thing. But what do you do about a sandwich or bread in the morning (I am married to a German) or fondue or raclette?",
"Do you just scream murderer in their face until they do it to get you to shut up?",
"Pretty sure people have gone without eating meat for thousands of years. We don't need lab grown meat. You can stop participating in the livestock industry easily.",
"No, I do that to people I consider morally bereft lost causes.",
"Literally the only thing preventing me from going vegan is milk in my coffee\n\nI've tried every alternative and I just can't shake it, gotta be dairy.",
"?\nBillions of years of life was made possible by asexual reproduction. Humans aren't the end all be all of existence. \n\nSee how your logic doesn't track. Appeals to nature are bad and you should stop doing them lmao.",
"Lol gotta love how self righteous vegans are. It'd be comical if it wasn't so pathetic.",
"ok so it's possible then?",
"non-profit /= government run.",
"The US is a socialist country, we just happen to value corporations instead of humans.",
"Deck preparation is about the level of expertise I’d expect for some entry level associate at a regional mid tier accounting firm.",
"Also many governments around the world send families money to pay for gas as part of the deal to not completely ruin the planet to the point of causing endless climate wrecking warming feedback loops.",
"I eat seitan sandwiches. For cheese on either of those I use homemade vegan cheeses. I could see silken tofu working for fondue, but raclette is a very specific experience I don't think I could recreate at my skill level",
"Yes. Also, sometimes when I walk, I accidentally step on a bug. Does that mean I'm a wild hypocrite? Or does it just mean that the perfect is the enemy of the good. \n\nIf you only, for example, stopped *any* crime if you could stop *all* crime, you never would stop any. \n\nI'm not asking people to stop having a ride to work. I'm not asking them to spend more money, which might not be something they can do. \n\nI'm asking them to *spend less* money, by not buying meat and dairy products, which also meaningfully mitigate the destruction of the natural world. \n\nIf someone wants to reduce emissions by turning off their lights in the daytime, they aren't a hypocrite if they need to use a computer to do work, or if they exhale CO2 lmao. You're just trying to do an appeal to hypocrisy.\n\nAnd it especially doesn't track because, saying that it is about efficiency and pollution, and yet I drive a car, would not, and should not, cause any rational person to go \"oh shit, I'm inefficient in one area, better be as inefficient as possible in terms of my diet! It's my only logical option!\"",
"There are a million reasons other than taste that drive people's eating habits. They are lazy. It is convenient. It is cheaper. They can get more of it. It has a cute dinosaur on the box. Their friends like it. It is advertised well.\n\n * If the BK Impossible Burger was $1 cheaper than a regular burger -- many people would try it\n * If school cafeterias no longer served meat, many kids would try it (and parents would get upset)\n * If school cafeterias offered meat substitutes as an alternative, many kids would try it (and parents would get less upset)\n * If Taco Bell offered a Veggie Variety 10-Pack for $5, many people would try it\n * If all your friends were ordering delivery from a pizza place which had no meat toppings, you might try it\n * If Sunshine Vegetarian sold happy meals with toys for the new Mario movie, some families might try it\n\nI am not saying any of these options are realistic today. But ask me again in 10 or 20 years, because the world is a fun place",
"No real response to anything I’ve said then?\n\nThe irony of calling me a troll while admitting to trying to “bait” me. Lol.",
"That has nothing to do with what you were saying. You asked if there should be no meat options when I go to restaurants. I am fine with the absence of slaughter-based meat in restaurants, yes. You said ending factory farming ends almost all meat production, and I was simply pointing out that very soon, that does _not_ have to be a reality.",
"The like/dislike count is: 79K likes to 2.3K dislikes.. whats your point.\n\nThe important factor is that Kurzgesagt is a trusted source for people, it makes it easier to accept as true for people, facts dont care about your opinion. This is why I'm very happy Kurzgesagt is covering these inconvenient topics, i have seen equally science focused channels cover the same info, but those had a vegan-focused audience so they obviously don't get as many views, so it's awesome seeing this very important information get shared widely because everyone needs to know this.",
"We haven't though. Most people don't have the time or money to be vegan. It's a decision that takes work that most people can't afford. If veganism we're easy there'd be more vegans. But someone working 2 jobs just to get by ain't going vegan.",
"The corruption of non-democratic countries isn't compatible with meaningful climate changed mitigation strategies either at the current moment and they don't seem to be changing much.",
"Pissing off meat eaters is too easy. Just tell them you don't eat meat. It's all it takes to start the rants and jokes. \n\n\nNothing projects quite as well as a meat eater talking about vegetarianism.",
"A negative of green energy is losing millions of jobs, energy/oil dependence since plastics and such are never going away, destroying the planet by mining cobalt and lithium while using slave and child labour in 3rd world countries. \n\nInstead of saying no to all cows, how about we eat the entire cow? I’ve grown up on a farm and have eaten most of a cow. We can use 100% of a cow, we just choose not too.",
"I would argue the cheaper and healthier parts.\n\nThe evidence is pointing to less processing of our food being healthier. Most plant-based meat substitutes are very heavily processed. It's along the line of the difference between a chicken breast and McNuggets. \n\nPersonally, I think we'd be better off pushing to a more fruit and vegetable focused diet. We need more options like Curried Cauliflower (awesome!). Or things like mushroom ravioli which is a full meal in itself instead of trying to make vegetables behave like meat.\n\nSo why don't we? Personally, I think fast food is the biggest culprit. As North Americans we are expected to be overworked and grab food on the go instead of cooking. Find a way to make good food as fast and cheap as the crap that you can get a McDonald's and you might start something.\n\nBut that's going to be a problem. Most vegetables don't keep as well or as long as a slab of beef let alone frozen burger patties. And that leads into a completely different problem of food waste and \"unwanted ugly fruit\".",
"I know your post is sarcastic, but yes. Literally everything you said, just without the irony.",
"How am I a troll? Because I disagreed with you? Lol.",
"Plus, your intestinal bacteria will adjust to your diet, so you can get nauseous or have stomach cramps if you eat meat after going for a long enough time without eating any.",
"\\[citation needed\\]",
"Seitan sandwiches are the BOMB. .. but they replace meat, not cheese. I almost never had meat on sandwiches growing up, they are always cheese based. Grilled aged chedder and apple; pesto, brie and grilled veggies, walnut, pear and blue cheese??? oh I could go on but now I am hungry. \n\ntofu fondue? I'll look into that an MAY try it. . . though, please PM me your address for when my wife decides you need to die.",
"Why do you say that, if you don't mind me asking?",
"You could show the environmental impact of an action by following the federal NEPA guidelines or conduct an benefits analysis of the action through a NEBA. These documents are used to guide decision making in many policies already.",
"I'm saying land and food should not be commodities. I'd support most any system that accomplishes that",
"I think it's phrased poorly, but that's the gist of their comment.",
"People went thousands of years without the internet too. There’s nothing wrong with wanting luxuries; they’re talking about finding better ways to get them.",
"it's not a genocide. we don't want them to die out.",
"I love meat and I'm fine with making it more expensive. If raising the price of meat will reduce the environmental impact by making it more a luxury for wealthy people that's fine with me. Personally I'd pay the premium, but I think a good deal of people would be motivated into eating plant-based meat if the finances forced them too.\n\nLots of people support “ending subsidies” but seems like there is far less support for “making meat more of a luxury for the rich” when they are the exact same thing in practice.",
"This guy read \"socialism for the rich, capitalism for the poor\" and thought damn yeah that sounds good",
"Lmao what are you from the 1800s? God damn what a weird thing to say",
"No you don't. Fuck this fake \"equality\" bullshit. One side is clearly in the wrong, and supporting them is wrong.",
"We very much have evolved past a need to eat slaughter meat. In a few years lab-grown meat and dairy will be produced, and then it's all just an economy of scale from there. Even now, if more people ate vegan it'd be cheaper to be vegan.\n\nIt's honestly not that hard to be vegan. Even with subsidies on meat, plants are cheap. I spend about $250~300 a month on food, and I'm eating a specific high-protein meal.",
"i will gladly change my diet to plant based as soon as it becomes economically viable to do so and when they're able to provide the same or similar amounts of macro nutrients. as soon as you can basically re-create most types of meat with plants at a cost that most people can afford i don't think there's anyone who'd be against it, assuming they're not crazy. like someone claiming that switching is some kind of infringement on their right to eat meat isn't a real argument.",
"Well, if we're ending meat subsidies, I assume we're ending oil subsidies. So shipping is going to get a lot more expensive, too. We shouldn't be shipping raw and manufactured goods all over the planet either. We should be shopping more locally for everything.",
"I mentioned sietan, tempeh, tofu, and textured vegetable protein as my meat substitutes. None of those are highly processed.\n\nAs for vegan fast food, that's a thing, and it's not that hard to do. Most of these issues have been solved, it's just about convincing people to make a demand for them.",
"You genuinely think 1 in 20 people hunt the majority of their meat?",
"No matter how you slice it you can get multiple frozen meals for the price of the supplies for one vegan meal. And after a 12 hour work day most people will go with the easier option. Y'all are just self righteous pricks who think that everyone has the time and will to do it because it hurts your feel feels that a cow raised to become meat became meat.",
"wholesome",
"Where are you from? For me, sandwiches have always been some kind of meat, occasionally cheese. How much do macros matter to you? I could make some suggestions once I know what I'm working with.\n\nIf you do tofu fondue, specifically get boxed silken tofu. Mori-Nu is a good brand.",
"And then put in the carbon tax their industry is emitting as well. Everything that emits carbon that is not essential for living, should be carbon taxed. I bet that will balance out and we will stop emitting as much carbon while maintaining quality of life.\n\nThat will make a lot of industries pissed off and a lot of lobbying to restore it though, as usual.",
"That's the point that I'm making. Vegan options exist, they are easy, but they have not meat the economy of scale that factory meat has. But if they did, they would be just as cheap, if not cheaper. \n\nEven without that, for a minimal amount of effort I am able to produce a tasty and nutritionally balanced meal out of frozen vegan options for a very cheap cost.\n\nMost people don't work 12 hour work days. And as someone who has had to work hours like that in the past, I empathize with anyone who does. It's hard, and no one should have to do that. I am not a prick by any means.",
"gotta compensate for all the kids in africa that havent tasted meat. you're doing the world an injustice not to enjoy yourself",
">Yes. Individual responsibility is promoted by polluters to distract from the real problem.\n\nIf by polluters you mean companies and corporations, they only pollute because they create goods and services the rest of us consume. If we wish to solve climate change/environmental destruction we have to take both approaches - force regulations onto polluters and change our consumer habits. \n\nIt is not possible to stop climate change with the current rate of consumption. For example let's look at one of the worst lifestyles for the environment - the suburban American lifestyle, which makes up about 50% of US population. Massive carbon emission through transportation - going everywhere by car and causing massive traffic jams. Ineffective use of infrastructure, which leads to resource waste - more pipes, electrical cables, paved roads have to be built per km^(2) for less people in compassion to urban environments. Water waste - for lawns. Heavy consumption of meat, especially beef - horrible for the environment as we know. \n\nNo matter how much you regulate the companies that provide these goods and services, if people don't change their behavior, we won't be able to stop climate change. There isn't a world where we continue to eat as much meat as we do in the West and not horribly pollute and destroy the environment. There has to be some change of consumer habits, if not we are doomed.\n\nAnd if you think this change will come only if we regulate it through the government, then we first have to get the majority of voters on board with these ideas. Which means they will have to take responsibility for their consumption. People who support environmental measures only politically, but do nothing personally, aren't doing enough. Not matter how we look at it, both approaches are necessary - reduce personal consumption and hold companies accountable.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Also it's illegal to personally dump garbage into the ocean and rivers.\n\nThe legality of an action isn't necessarily tied to whether or not said action causes harm. My point hat nothing to do with legality. For example I would claim that eating meat causes great harm, but said action isn't illegal. I was trying to illustrate that just because some huge global system, in which many people participate, causes harm, doesn't allow you to also participate and cause harm. Just because your impact in something is minuscule, doesn't make it morally permissible to engage in said thing. Whether or not throwing plastic waste into the ocean is legal, should have no bearing on your personal moral decision. If we make polluting legal tomorrow, that doesn't take away your personal responsibility if you pollute. The same goes for meat consumption - just because it's legal doesn't make it any less harmful and it doesn't absolve you of personal responsibility.",
"I guess I already do this. I eat mostly chicken and pork and will have the occasional burger maybe like once or twice a month.",
"> If the entire USA went vegan, it would reduce global emissions by 2%.\n\nThe study that stat is taken from assumes we would irrationally continue to grow all of the animal feed even if we got rid of all livestock. It has everyone eating ~5k calories a day, mainly from corn. Junk science meant to mislead the public.",
"It only sounds hard because they work very diligently to convince you that this would be very hard, and a difficult switch to make. Impossible even! **Get the money out of politics**(make campaign contributions or profiting from elected office illegal, impose much shorter strict term limits, and institute ranked-choice voting, virtually abolishing the two-party system) and the dominos will fall.",
"Maybe, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. There's a reason the US was a powerhouse economy for the whole 20th century.",
"I do work remotely. And, if you must know, I drive an electric car that is powered by solar panels after my previous car, a hybrid, was stolen. \n\nIf you think moving house is \"a lot more optional\" than simply not purchasing beef at the store, you have a wild view of the world lmao. \n\nAnyway, I'm not even suggesting that everyone needs to have solar panels, or drive electric cars (which, for the record, are also imperfect in terms of the impacts of their construction) or move house. \n\nIf you can't afford something. That's fine. If you're on a deserted island and your only options are to fish or die, by all means, fish. But we are not talking about wild hypotheticals. We're talking about the practical lives of average people, wherein ceasing to buy animal products *both* saves you money *and* stops negatively impacting the environment. With the only reason not to being preference. Facts vs emotion.",
"Current Beef Prices per 1kg of the three counties above and below the cost in the US:\n\nNew Zealand - 13.49 $\n\nAustralia - 13.10 $\n\nChina - 12.89 $\n\nUnited States - 12.85 $\n\nIran - 12.02 $\n\nGermany - 11.90 $\n\nCanada - 11.89 $\n\nThe only country in the list with subsidised beef? The US.\n\nSubsidies have negligible impact on beef prices. \n\nHappy? Any follow up questions?",
"They're not as accessible as meat options yet. Especially for lower income and overworked people. And the vegans I've been talking to here have been pricks too. Apparently I'm just as evil as a meat eater for being vegetarian. Vegans online are some of the most self righteous douches out there who will peddle lies and false equivalencies til the cows come home.",
"Actually costs *financially and environmentally. Everything should operate this way. It would be the result of ending subsidies, and an environmental burden tax.",
"I’ll say the same thing I say about vegetarians / vegans. Nobody hates the way you eat. People hate you shoving your dietary choices down others throats. If you’re pissing off meat eaters, it’s probably because you’re trying to. \n\nMeat needs to be consumed less, no reasonable meat eater will deny that. But there are better ways to achieve it than “pissing meat eaters off”.",
">My point hat nothing to do with legality.\n\nThen your point is wrong. People in democratic systems need to support systematic regulatory solutions to these problems. Laws that inhibit regular civilian actions is a form of regulation.\n\nPromoting \"Individual Responsibility\" is the same of advocating for pollution and climate change. You can't use the propaganda of big polluters to solve this issue.\n\nPeople don't need to personally do anything. They need to be willing to collectively change things. You don't need to personally eat less beef, you should support anti-beef regulation and let your personal behavior changes flow from that.\n\nTo draw a Metaphor, you can think you should pay more taxes without donating money to the IRS. You are for laws that make people like you pay more taxes, you aren't trying to somehow correct a broken tax system through individual effort.",
">No other bodily pleasure is enjoyed multiple times every day and never gets old.\n\nRight... yeah, totally agree...",
"Being vegan isn't as accessible as meat is. That is true. But it's a false narrative that eating plant-based or being vegan is extremely difficult. I would put it on level with being keto, paleo, etc. It is a restriction for sure, but not an extreme one.\n\nJust because some people you have met have been pricks, in my opinion doesn't mean you should paint such a broad brush. You and I were having a civil discussion, and then you called me a prick out of frustration. I haven't been a prick at all in this conversation.",
"Widespread homelessness and medical bankruptcies are necessarily bad things.",
"You can already eat stuff that isn't from animals in most restaurants. Just order that and help move things the right way. Lab meat isn't very good right now and stuff like beyond meat or impossible seem to be winning in taste tests. Just support that today.",
"Obviously. But those are just components of the system, not the whole thing",
"The planet is literally dying. Give up luxuries looking it today and if alternatives come later that's nice. You don't wait for the alternatives.",
"I would rather support what I think is the future of the industry. Have you tried lab meat? What makes you say it isn't good? Beyond and Impossible are winning because of their accessibility from what I can tell.",
"My Guess:\n\nThey chose 100 years because that shows the complete impact of ending meat production including things like carbon sequestering from the plants and trees that would grow on former farm land which take decades to reach maturity.\n\nThey chose the one years worth of emissions since who knows how emissions will rise or fall or plateau of the next 100 years. It'd be silly to try and predict given the rise of renewables/nuclear, exploding populations, and a number of other competing factors that can move things in either direction. But they still need to provide some frame of reference to how valuable or inconsequential the removal of meat would be from our diets from a climate change perspective.\n\nNot saying it's the clearest or what I'd have done, just me trying to make sense of their rationale.",
"> (I get 150~180g a day on 1500 calories)\n\nHow do you do this? What protein?",
"But are production costs the same with similar practices and regulations?",
"How about lawns? They waste mostly treated potable water. 30 percent of water usage, just like livestock and we can't eat grass. Plus the hundreds of millions of gallons of gas to mow lawns. All the crap people spray on their lawns.\n\nBeef is pretty bad, but other non ruminate animals aren't so bad. Rice is worse. Coffee is worse. Chocolate is worse. There are plenty of non meat (vegan) foods with huge impacts that aren't even remotely as nutritiously dense as meats.",
"Alternatives exist today and our planet is dying. It's insane to wait for commercial lab grown meat which may not ever be economical or taste better than alternatives.\n\nIn taste tests lab grown does poorly and it seems the venture capitalist money is going to plant based meats instead. \n\nIf you want to believe it'll be good then sure, go vegan now and get that when he becomes available.",
"It's amazing how little empathy people have toward animals that are have comparable emotional and intellectual capacity to dogs. Also the whole \"climate change is a crisis but don't ask me to change my behavior\" bit is getting old.",
"8 billion is a lot but I don't see how you can change that in an ethical way. Without getting into human rights violations. Shifting diets is something that is feasible.",
"As a vegan who knows plenty, I have never seen any shove it down anyone’s throat. However, whenever it is necessary for me to say I am vegan I often manage to strike a nerve with a meat eater.",
"I didn't say to wait for commercial lab grown meat. You're putting a lot of words in my mouth. I'm honestly pretty good at this point, it's clear you don't want to have a conversation. Best of luck.",
"I'm a very lonely person.",
"Ooo you got me! I didn’t mention the 8 kazillion other things that impact the climate in a single Reddit comment. Limiting your meat consumption won’t solve everything so I guess it’s stupid to suggest and 100% also means that I think we shouldn’t change anything else about our agriculture structure! \n\nBut, don’t we grow crops specifically to feed animals that we then consume for food? So we’re using more land to feed the animals that will then become our food. While coffee, chocolate, and rice also have negative impacts on the environment, they specifically do not have that issue. I’m not gonna mention lawns because you might as well have said “but cars are also bad!!!!”\n\nAlso, if you’ll notice, I specifically referred to ruminants and pigs, not poultry.",
"Lol.. We elect? It's an oligarchy my friend.",
"Environmental scientist here and I can confirm that if you want to reduce your carbon footprint cutting out meat is one of if the not the biggest thing you can do.",
"We don't need to stop eating meat, we need to reduce the human population from 10 billion to something like 100-500 million. That's plenty.",
"New Zealand, Australia, Germany, higher regulations. \n\nCanada, virtually identical.\n\nChina, Iran, less regulated. \n\nUltimately the beef subsidies don’t go into lower prices. They go into profit margins. Either pure profit, or just propping up poorly run farms. \n\nEither way, remove subsidies, increase them, doesn’t matter. It’s not a consumer subsidy, it’s a farm subsidy.",
"Literally - and I do mean literally - everything we do that is beyond our most basic needs is bad for the planet. The clothes we wear, the houses we live in, the devices you and I are using to post on Reddit… all of it.\n\nThere’s lots of things we can do to help, and the person you’re replying to is actually advocating for them. So unless you’re 100% self sustaining, why do you get to criticize others for advocating change but not going all the way?",
"I’ve yet to meet a vegetarian or vegan who was aggressive about it, but I’m sure like any group the extremes exist. It’s so easy to not get mad over how others eat, I don’t get how people can take it personally. \n\nLikewise, I’ve never met a meat eater who truly got mad over someone else eating plants primarily. I’ve only seen people ask questions out of pure curiosity to learn more, then seen a vegetarian read that as aggression (pure misunderstanding, nothing malicious between the two). \n\nIf you’re vegan and met aggressive meat eaters about it, I’m sorry that happened. I don’t know the full extent of the situation, but you seem nice here. There’s just better ways to promote your preferences without *trying* to piss others off, was my original point.",
"Lmao this site alone has accounts dedicated to shoving vegan shit down peoples throats. They like to post on r/awww a lot",
"Beef is the true welfare queen. Just removing the corn subsidy would be enough to revolutionize the way we use land. \n\n\nLess corn, more grass = happier cattle, a better environment, and healthier people.",
"You guys get subsides? Where are you from?",
"Nah I like the way beef tastes",
"It's easier to get someone to cut down on red meat because doing so is not just for something external to them, like better for the env, but it's also directly more healthy for them. So they'd probably be more likely to do it.\n\nBut for white meat, like poultry, even this video showed its carbon footprint is pretty small. It's also healthy, very satiating, and easy on the stomach, making it a tougher option to replace.",
"Sorry it may be my own bias based on past conversations. I shouldn't carry that forward. \n\nI've been vegan 10 years. It's incredibly easy to do and yet I still here a lot of 'they should hurry up with lab grown meat' when the reality is we can start solving global warming and stop supporting the cruelty of factory farming today. There isn't anything preventing that other than people's own selfishness. It's a frustrating world to live in sometimes.",
"Funny seeing everyone saying end subsides, tax corn, tax beef, etc etc. \n\nYou might not end up affected, but just think how many people on low income will stop having access to food this way.\n\nAs I say every time, the problem is not the cows, the pig or the chicken, or even soy and corn, the problem is an excess of humans needing to eat every day.\n\nThere is just no way out of this.\n\nThe video even goes out to say that if we stop eating meat, this might free millions of hectares in brazil which could be filled with forests again...\n\nHow naive can one get? If they stop producing meat they will turn to agriculture which is whats is already happening in Brazil anyway. No one is going to \"free up land for reforestation\" they will just find another way to profit from it. Be it Brazil, be it every single other country on this planet.",
"Paid in exposure.",
"> Honestly I think that people would naturally eat a lot less meat if the emotional toll of killing and butchering an animal wasn't done completely out of the public's eye sight.\n\nI have to wonder if that'd actually be the case because it's only relatively recently that people have been able to be divorced from the reality of meat processing. I feel like at some points in history, it would be unusual if you didn't regularly have to process meat yourself.",
"We can as a species just give up meat tomorrow. We can't give up houses or clothes as easily.\n\nThere's no solution to climate change that has meat in it. You should celebrate that reality because it's so easy to do. We can just do it tomorrow. There'd actually be more food available for humanity if we did it. There's no downside other than your palette would need a month to adjust to vegetables.",
"See, I like that about Kurzgesagt. They give this title that... *feels like* their answer will be a resounding no. That way, they'll even attract people who already believe the answer to be no, who don't want to hear antything else.\n\nAnd then, they lull you in through the intro with the same feeling -- their conclusion *might* just be no! But you'll have to hear them out for it.\n\nAnd then, turns out, nah man, meat is indeed bad for the climate, like \"everybody\" says it is. Like, science has known about that for pretty long now. If you're still in denial, that's more of a you-problem.\n\nOh and also, just for the hell of it, we *even* give some really useless arguments the time of day -- like you know how your uncle talks shit like \"yeah sure those vegetarians eat less meat, but they eat so many avocadoes and that's just as bad!!!\" while eating a steak? Well, nah, turns out even the worst-sourced avocado is still better than the best-sourced meat. *And besides that, what a stupid argument is that even, you're not arguing for anything useful beyond telling yourself you dont need to feel bad because of the steak on your plate... by telling yourself others aren't doing it better???*\n\nokay that last bit is on me, but the fact that the worst veggies are still better than the best meat *is* mentioned in the video lol",
"So deep.",
"> We need to stop sheltering business interests, and let the free economy be free so we can all see the true cost of things. \n\nAmen, fucking well said",
"The only thing I dislike about the video is the slightly deceptive metric used about 9:30 in (where they verbally state CO2 removed over 100 years and CO2 emitted per year). They had no real reason to use 100 years instead of single year and they also should've labeled the graphic to show 100 years like they did by specifying emissions per year.\n\nI mean they show it like a graph but they are not graphing like for like in the slightest.",
"I'm not part of the problem because I can't eat red meat because it murders my GI tract for some reason.",
"Average citizen: what are primaries?",
"You've deftly proven my case! \n\nLook, I get it. I've been a meat lover, a vegan and where I am now, plant based, very OK with eating meat when it's offered but no need to buy nor prepare it myself. Time and time again, all a vegan does is say 'no thank you' and they are treated to, exactly as you did, \"Big opinion time.\" where the other person cannot help themselves but offer their personal take on it. The vegan didn't do it, all they did was say no thank you. \n\nYes, there are many examples of obnoxious PETA like people, but 95% of the time when you feel like saying \"You're shoving your dietary choices down my throat\", take a step back and think about what was *actually* said. Do it often enough, you'll see what I mean. \n\nIt's good to be mindful of these things, and very few people actually are.",
"See -- I've read and heard hundreds of people around me and on the internet say just that: \n\n>shoving your dietary choices down others throats\n\nBut, like, not one of the vegans I know actually did that? Just a few weeks ago, I read the exact same thing again on reddit (in another language), and I answered that in my experience, that just isn't true? \n\nThe only times anyone has ever told me they were vegan, or vegetarian for that matter, was when it was relevant. For example we were in a food class discussing it, and the teacher asked if anyone was vegan. Or that one time I offered salami snacks to someone at a party. Or when we were discussing our favourite foods with a few people. Like, it makes sense for people to mention it then?\n\nAnd literally everyone who seems to be mildly progressive has the same experiences as me... So why does this stereotype keep coming back? Why do people keep repeating this idea? Hell, even I did when I was younger! Before I had ever met a vegan person, in fact! Why? \n\nIf you like, I am reminded of a particular youtube video that mentions this, and places it in a broader context (including people who don't drink, or even who don't believe in God). If you have a few minutes to spare, you could have a look: [https://youtu.be/ExEHuNrC8yU](https://youtu.be/ExEHuNrC8yU) . This entire channel really made me look differently upon the world.",
"That has been my strategy: I try to always go for chicken and pork and to dodge beef.",
"Unfortunately I don't think this is an effective method. Unless people are literally harvesting the meat themselves, there is just too much of a disconnect for the general population. People just arent willing to give up what they enjoy for an animal they've never met dying somewhere. It's much more effective to show people how far vegetarian and vegan food has come and how good it can taste. If you give people viable, cost effective meatless options that tastes great, and you don't shame them for still eating some meat, a lot of people will hop on to being vegetarian once or twice a week at least. Coming at it with how it will benefit them while still tasting good is much more effective than pulling at their (sometimes non existent) heart strings.",
"I’m not pissed off, but saying it won’t prove anything nor am I here to convince anyone of that. I’m willing to fall on that sword to get the point across that you shouldn’t try pissing people off about dietary preferences.",
"I’m on mobile and about to hop in a shower, or I’d go through the trouble of copy-quoting, but I said in another comment that I’ve yet to meet anyone who actually got personally mad about someone else’s dietary preferences, so I’m with you there.",
"It's silly that people are shitting on the post.\n\nThere is truth and accuracy in both videos. I think it's obvious that cutting down fertile land where other plants and vegetables can grow for beef consumption is a bad idea. It's an entirely different conversation when it comes to USA and Canada in certain areas where vegetables and other crops simply can't grow without massive human intervention. \n\nWe have the same number of ruminants as 1000 years ago in North America and \"returning lang to its natural state\" (IE the government buying farmers land and then not allowing development - seems like political suicide) means that instead of cows grazing, deer or bison would likely move into the area and basically not produce any carbon savings. Never mind other issues such as supply chain problems, how fruit and veg has worse waste, how manure can be used for plant fertilizer etc etc.\n\nEat less meat sure but we have way bigger fish to fry when it comes to reducing the global CO2 output.",
"I dunno my dude. When I went veggie 7 years ago I had a cheat burger 3 months in and threw up. I have read about gut biome since then and can easily see how the bacteria adjusted and refused the meat.\n\nNo doubt if I returned to eating meat for a prolonged period of time it would adjust the same way.",
"You can actually see a microcosm of this for high-end non-factory farm steaks, which go for around $40-50 lb (or much more) vs the $10 per lb cuts at the supermarket. We've limited ourselves to only buying the high-end stuff and it has definitely cut back our beef consumption for the better.",
"Regulatory capture is a huge problem that no one seems to want to fix",
"Yeah!",
"Gut biome. Hard evidence around it. Its not in someone's head.",
"Plant based butter and milk are pretty easy to find at this point. I'm a fan of oat milk, but you can try any number of plant based milks. I don't know if I'll ever be able to give up cheese though.",
"Food is definitely a commodity. The definition of commodity has nothing to do with need.",
"Sure, no one should actively try and piss other off, I agree.\n\nThat's outside what I'm saying. The point I made was not that I *want* to piss them off, I'm pointing out they are pre-charged, ready to go, fired up. All it takes to piss them off, literally all it takes to get then ranting, is to say \"I don't eat meat.\"\n\nI pointed that out, and you gave me the exact kind of projection I was pointing it. It's really quite neat how that happened. This is what I mean about being mindful, go back and read what I wrote, then your reaction to it. It's a *perfect* example.",
"Not covered at all is the absolute destruction of topsoil and farmable land from massive mono-culture, tilling based farming. Since 1912 the USDA studies show again and again that tilling the ground is the absolute worst method of farming. Replacing massive amounts of meat just means more and more soybean, wheat and other massive farm operations that disavow the acknowledged scientific studies on the destruction caused by tilling the ground.",
"> to it simply being phased out altogether.\n\nThat is so sad to me. Food is more than something you do to survive. It's a comfort, a pleasure and a creative endeavour. Phasing out meat is like removing the colour red from the palette of a painter.",
"A very modest proposal of you",
"People would just get right back to being used to it. Wouldn't even take that long, a few years give or take.",
"Remember that only around 10% of GHG emissions in the US come from agriculture, [according to the EPA](https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions). The fossil fuel industry fucking loves that meat eaters and non-meat eaters are spending time and energy arguing with each other on who has a worse impact on the environment while they dump a thousand times more methane into the atmosphere every day or sell fuel that is just one step above lubricating oil to container shipping lines or lobby every government in the world to stonewall the progression of measures that would help protect the environment at the cost of their corporate profits.",
"You're right: it's becoming a multi-planetary species!",
"I was interested in running for a state position until my work informed me that I'd be fired if I won, and I wasn't ready to live off the 30k or so you get for being a state rep. So realistically the only folks that can run are the independently wealthy (status quo), or folks living on 30k a year. And let's expect those folks to not succumb to lobbyist dollars, or even expect them to finance their initial campaign.",
"> let the free economy be free\n\nThat won't help much. It will only make unethical business practice more unethical. Corporates will simply reduce the cost by moving everything to areas with cheaper labor.",
"Protein is the nutrient we should worry about the least though. Almost everyone gets enough of it, it's super rare to be deficient in it. Most people put way more emphasis on it than they need to and already get more of it than they need. \n\nThe foods you listed may be protein dense but it's irrelevant because you don't need protein dense foods to get enough of it.",
"I 100% guarantee you that any agricultural land currently used to feed livestock would keep being used for agriculture so long as we're in a capitalist paradigm and private ownership of land is a thing. That's the one thing that bothered me with the Kurz video: they assume that the land would be turned to woodlands or wild grasslands... but the chance of that happening is remote at best. Farmers will simply find another commercial use for the land they own.",
"well, you can adopt, and your children can then adopt too, thereby having grandkids without actually ***making*** any!",
"Thats right! You will not ever eat meat again. Only insect slurry, if you're good. You dont want the earth to be destroyed, do you? What? The elite will still eat whatever they want? What about chinese coal plants with zero emission control? SHUT UP. Eat your bugsoy SLOP!\n\nThe recent push to guilt people(in western countries only mind you) to stop eating meat is all very suspicious. It cant have anything to do with the environment, because the biggest mouth pieces for this movement fly around in private jets to give lipservice to the CCP. \n\nLack of protein in childhood has been linked to cognitive issues. Now why ever would the 1% want the following generations to have lowered cognitive abilities?",
"Reddit moment",
"Definitely. My statement was a gross oversimplification but I'm glad it still resonated a bit.",
"Jordan Peterson has entered the chat",
"i already do, you probably should too",
"Thankfully lab grown meat will fix this problem in the coming years!",
"adoption?",
"We can also give up our houses and move into somewhere with a smaller footprint. Obviously that’s a little more logistically complex because you have to actually move yourself, but it’s still something pretty trivial. Obviously it’s considerably more of an obstacle for people in certain financial situations, but many people would actually save a lot of money in doing so. \n\nAnd it’s insanely trivial to just stop buying new clothes (or gadgets or books or anything).",
"They can use it for agriculture if they want, but if there's no one buying that would be a pretty dumb move. Farmers aren't going to produce things they can't sell.",
"We are talking past each other. I agree that systemic change is achieved through legislation. We codify things into laws for that very reason. I'm not disputing that. \n\nMy point is that irrespective of law certain actions are good or bad, i.e. cause harm. Just because something is legal, that doesn't make it moral. Nor does it absolve you of responsibility for engaging in said action. So if there is a huge problem, that cannot be solved solely by individual action, that doesn't give you free reign to make the problem worse, i.e. engage and perpetuate the system that creates the problem. This was the point of my plastic analogy. If a single person throws their waste into the ocean, this has negligible impact on global plastic pollution. Yet this action still causes harm and we should not do it, irrespective of legislation.\n\n>People don't need to personally do anything. They need to be willing to collectively change things.\n\nDo you really believe, that in order to solve a problem you **only** have to be willing for collective change? What if someone used this same argument during the slave trade? Imagine a slave master saying \"I recognize that owning and trading human being is immoral, but my personal actions don't matter in the grand scheme of things. The slave trade is a massive system, so me freeing my slaves will have a negligible impact on the system. I am all for the abolition of slavery, just on a collective societal level.\" Is this really a moral thing to do? Does the slaver not have personal responsibility in perpetuating the system? The same personal responsibility that meat-eaters have, because they create demand for a product that is horrible for the environment. \n\n>You don't need to personally eat less beef, you should support anti-beef regulation and let your personal behavior changes flow from that.\n\nWhy not do both? Giving up beef massively reduces your personal climate footprint for basically no harm to yourself.\n\nPromoting individual responsibility isn't \"propaganda\". It's part of the solution. Again it is literally impossible to have the same rate of consumption we currently have and not destroy the planet. Which means we need to curb consumption, which should be done on a personal and societal level. You can't eat 10 steaks, 5 Big Macs, 10 sausages per week, drive a huge truck everywhere and live in a house with a lawn in Nevada, then blame corporations for environmental destruction. We need **both** approaches - personal and societal.",
"Hell, not even cut back. Just stop wasting it. I've been in so many households where a ridiculous amount of meat is wasted. Buy, prepare, and cook way too much to begin with. Then it goes into the fridge for leftovers for a minute, and then it goes either into the trash or the freezer for a while, and then a year later, into the trash. \n\nIt's so cheap that we literally throw it in the trash. And that's bad for the environment, and it's a waste. But it's woefully unethical too. These are animals, often factory farmed in horrible conditions as is, and then half of their sacrifice/suffering is thrown in the trash. It's barbarism. \n\nIt should cost more to buy, and it should cost more to make so that it's grass fed, open range, etc. We should have a mouthful of gratitude and appreciation whenever we're eating animal flesh.",
"If the whole planet goes vegan, the demand for plant-based food will increase and that'll generate more than enough demand. Companies will start coming up with more plant-based products and meat imitations and the wheel will keep on turning.",
"It's amazing how many people in this thread would rather opt for population control than to reduce or give up meat.",
"My point is that the amount of meat we eat today *is* more than what we used to eat. Meat was a once a day thing for most of history - even up to like as late as the 50s. There are many people that eat it 3 times a day and 2 times a day I would say is probably the average.",
"Didn't you watch the video? Plant based diet uses 3 billion less hectares of land. You also need far less crops because you aren't growing animal feed and then inefficiently filtering them through an animal. 67% of the crops grown in the US are grown for livestock. We only get a fraction of those calories back.",
"People who are pro eating meat argue based on extreme bias. They want to eat meat because they enjoy it and they don't want to feel immoral doing it so they completely dismiss any and all criticisms of meat eating. The majority of people like eating meat so this video is not going to be popular no matter how right or insightful it is.",
"I get your point but you probably picked the worst example. India has one of the largest livestock population in the world and is one of the biggest emitters of methane from cows.\n\nThe cow is sacred for Indians so they aren't killed. Purely looking at the environment that is probably worse than eating them",
"Had this last sunday... After 2 months of being vegan. Yeah, I would probably still have some cheat meat every now and then, as I find it delicious nontheless.",
"> someone on the outside looking in\n\nClearly.",
"So replacing houses or cars is a good direction but it'll take decades. \n\nWe can just give up meat today. It'll also lead to a lot of land returning to forest which will help remove the extra CO2. It's an immediate aid that can easily be done. This should be celebrated but instead people try to find excuses. Anyone that wants to solve global warming is vegan and is working to end the livestock industry. It's the easiest and most viable action for humanity today.",
"If you believe this video is anything but Big Oil propaganda I have a bridge to sell you.",
"I think the part I dislike from your original comment was the “projects” part. Certainly sometimes that’s true. There’s always going to be people like that on both ends of any discussion. But for me, that part can often be misread as well. \n\nAnd I’ll admit I was probably initially wrong here too, but I definitely read into it as someone who sees someone else getting a little confused by something and proceeding to push buttons about it. Probably because I just expect that from people in certain discussions. \n\nBut I mean hey, do what works for you as long as you aren’t stepping on anyone’s toes.",
"ah yes, so the only people who can enjoy delicious meat are the rich with disposable income. those dirty poors... they can just have veggies and bugs!",
"Let's stick with that metaphor and make it a bit more accurate, \n\nto do that we have to admit that the color red is actually the single biggest cause of deforestation and land occupation, including the active and intentional burning of rainforests. We also have to admit that the color red contributes a tremendous amount to emissions, much of which is not only more insulative than CO2, but also responds quicker to ceasing producing it. The color red also contributes to the deaths of billions of sentient animals, many of whom are not just smarter than your pets, but smarter than your children. The upside? It is one of many colors that looks good on canvass. Some paintings just aren't the same without red. \n\nAlso of note. Red-substitutes are getting more plentiful and more accurate all the time. Ten years ago they looked veritably orange! But these days there are even those who would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between fake red and real red in certain situations, especially when effectively utilized within a given painting. But still, in a lot of situations, it just isn't as good yet. \n\nIn this scenario, I would still insist that it is illogical and backward to insist on clinging to real red, given its costs, even though red substitutes aren't really there yet. We shouldn't abide the cost of planetary destruction for the sentiment of real red. For the \"comfort\" and \"pleasure\" of it. Paid for by the discomfort, destruction, and death, of the natural world, and an ongoing and unimaginable number of many of its inhabitants. Not just animals, but also the people who are already and increasingly feeling the impacts of climate change, for example, through droughts or extreme weather. And then there's the fact that red is linked to some of the biggest statistical killers of people. Cancers, heart disease, etc. \n\nWe would hopefully say, no thanks. Let's do without red. Plenty of people are red-less already and are living perfectly long and happy lives. Sure, some of them miss real red. Some of them get by on the fake stuff. Some of them simply decorate their homes with paintings that have no red at all, fake or otherwise. Either way, they are meaningfully mitigating one of the largest individual negative impacts a person can have on the living world.",
"Calm down Thanos",
"I like you. You read my replies and responded contextually. You're a good redditor and I appreciated having this back and forth with you. Thank you.",
"You are right. It's not like people can endlessly eat to support an over abundance of farm land. There are limits to consumption of production.\n\nEating crops directly will always be more efficient than growing crops, feeding it to other animals, then eating the small fraction of energy they manage to convert into flesh. It's just thermodynamics.\n\nThe bottom line is that there less meat we eat the better. It's more efficient, users fewer resources, produces less waste, uses less land.\n\nIf the whole world suddenly turned vegan (why do opponents of plant based diet always pose ridiculously unrealistic hypotheticals?) then some industries would die out, some people would lose livelihoods but it is a small price to pay for the benefits it would bring.",
"I know how reddit arguments spiral out. I ain't interested in that. I try to avoid them where I can. Reasonable conversations take people further.",
"Keystone wasn't exactly a new oil route in terms of origin and destination, just a somewhat shorter one versus one that already exists. It was never built, and therefore its cancellation literally had no impact on gas prices. Furthermore, even if it had been built, most of that oil would've just gone onto the international market just like most US oil does. The US consumes FAR more oil each day than it produces even though it currently produces more oil than at almost any point in the past 100 years. Even if Biden opened a buffet to oil companies and every last pristine wilderness and seaway was exploited for a few extra million barrels per day, you would be talking about a few cents difference at best at your local pump. Oil prices are and have always been a global affair. You are simply wrong here.",
"> [Reference](https://imgur.com/a/NSbD1ZN)\n\nIsn't this visual comparison extremely misleading? They mention that 3 Billion hectares of spared land could remove 800 billion tonnes of CO2 over 100 years, which is an average of 8 billion tonnes of CO2 per year. But afterwards they say that humans emit about 50 billion tonnes CO2 per year, which is more than 6 times as much CO2 than the spared land could remove per year. Despite this fact, they show a huge bar for 'CO2 Removed', while the bar for 'CO2 Emitted per Year' is super tiny, even though it should actually be 6.25 times larger than the other bar! Am I tripping?",
"Water isn't a commodity. Neither is power. Sometimes even things like internet access isn't a commodity. What is and is not a commodity is up to us to decide.",
"America is the consequence of capitalism. After WWII capitalism concentrated in America explicitly as production throughout the entire industrialized world was destroyed besides there. America was always capitalist though. If your concerned about the government in America regarding favoring corporations you should be. They've effectively bought the government as it's profitable for capitalistic companies to do so in many instances. I understand it is difficult to understand what differentiates the terms capitalism and socialism especially given the propaganda surrounding both terms. You can rest assured that the entire trajectory of America and arguably the most causal influence on its path has been capitalism for better and for worse.",
"It’s the methane from the poop that’s bad.",
"It always boggles my mind how people think they justify these shitty excuses.\n\nUh, yeah, of course the individual person won’t make a dent. Of course the government needs to act, tax meat, etc. but they won’t do that *if people don’t want them to* because that’s how a democracy works! These things start with people taking a stand and putting pressure on their representatives, that pressure is never gonna build if you give up and let meat industries hold all the leverage. \n\nToo many hypocrites out there who like to virtue signal that they care about the environment but refuse to take any steps because it isn’t convenient for them. Because that’s what it is. Convenience. These issues would be simpler if these people would just admit that they care about the taste of beef more than they care about making this planet livable for humans. All these half-baked excuses are there purely to make their position look more reasonable than it actually is.",
"So in contrast, it it better to give your average inbred Joe \\*complete\\* power? Authoritarians all have things in common, but vast intelligence over everyone else doesn't tend to be one of them.",
">Getting the equivalent amount of protein from plants is not as viable as vegans make it seem.\n\nProtein is a non-issue unless you are building muscle (even then, lifting is the most important part). And you can use protein powders like the majority of serious weightlifters and bodybuilders. \n\nTo add on to what /u/kentonj said: if a person ate 2,000 kcal of nothing but potatoes, they would still hit 50+ g of protein per day (the RDA for average adults). 2,000 kcal of nothing but oatmeal is 65+ g of protein. A peanut butter sandwich on whole grain bread gives you about 18g of protein for 370 kcal. \n\nObviously, I don't recommend eating nothing but potatoes, but the point is that you would have to actually try really hard to not get enough protein. Beans and other legumes, grains, and products made from legumes (like tofu or tempeh) are good sources of low kcal protein. Nuts and seeds are higher in kcals because of healthy fats, but they are good sources of protein as well.",
"yeah, but arguing that media that has an audience in excess of 20 million viewers isn't making a difference because if only one person changes their diet it doesn't matter is dumb. The whole point of mass media is to change the views of a large group of the population.",
"Thank you! The first reply to get the point.",
"Then make your arguments about that, but don't bring farm subsidies into it. In 2020, half of the 53 billion the US spent on farm subsidies was on animal protein. 26 billion was spent on non-meat farming. Around 8.5 billion was spent subsidizing corn -- about a billion *more* than was spent on beef subsidies.\n\nIf you're arguing against meat, you have a wealth of other data to choose from; greenhouse gasses, whatever. Don't choose farm subsidies, because the data isn't on your side.",
"Do you have sources for any of this?",
"> Convenience\n\nyup. \"I don't make a difference alone so I don't have to do anything. I'll wait for the government to fix it\" attitude.",
"Beef and lamb are outliers in the meat emissions world, remember? Poultry, fish, and pork aren't near as bad.",
"Minnesota. However, both my parents are pescatarians (though my mom grew up on a dairy farm and she should occasionally get beef from my grandfather's farm and would cook us meat every month or so). But wait. . . meat but NO cheese? see that's foreign to me.\n\nWhat's a macro?",
"Democrats pass repeal of beef subsidies. \n\nBeef prices increase. \n\nGOP releases new campaign ad which is just the old Wendy's \"Where's the Beef?\" commercials. \n\nGOP wins landslide. \n\nReinstates beef subsidies (for large corporations and GOP mega-donors).",
"I don’t eat animal products at this point but I can’t stand when vegans say it is easy to go vegan. \n\nIt was easy for you. It was easy for me. It’s not easy for everyone.\n\nWe live in a capitalist, animal-product based society. Balanced vegan meals can take time to learn to cook, sometimes require speciality cooking equipment, can have more prep time, require more ingredients, vegan meat and dairy substitutes don’t always cook like their mimic, they are not always readily available in cities with food deserts, they can be more expensive than meat options. \n\nI think if are able to go vegan/plant based you should, but no experience is universal.",
"> That's not the hunters fault\n\nRemind me who is killing all the wolves in Idaho again?",
"Incorrect. We subsidize not just US beef consumption but much of the worlds by subsidizing it's inputs.\n\nWhen 87% of all soy goes to animal feed-stock and the government payout is over $300 a hectare to prevent farms from failing, this is a massive reduction in production costs to those that use the soy - the cattle farmers. Also that 13% human quality soy is often produced separately from the animal feed. Why? Because the regulations on each and the amount of chemicals you can use on each are entirely different.\n\nThis same trick is pulled elsewhere, things like oil and gas production. You don't get the large subsidy directly in their case it's tens of thousands in exploration tax credits and other 'reach around' or supply chain subsidy. It's all about opportunity costs for land use cases.\n\nThis is all further complicated because some would argue that keeping a large percentage of soy always produced promotes widespread rotations and nitrogen fixation and is a national security risk in times of war or other widespread disruption, you could ration and very easily feed all of America on a guaranteed supply of what's produced.",
"it's only a matter of time until they perfect the 'grown meat' science anyway where we essentially erase half the problems of current meat production while ideally losing none of the benefits.\n\nin the mean time though: animals like cows and chickens only exist to be used for the food/products they produce so I have a hard time feeling super bad about the factoy-farming as the alternative to them being farmed is them most likely just dying out as a species (this is for the ethical side more than the environmental side)",
"Of course we're talking past each other. You act like the survival of current human society is some sort of moral issue. While I'm of the perspective that any credence or argument for \"Individual Responsibility\" is actively harmful to addressing the problem.\n\nEvery person you convince of their moral responsibility for personal action against climate change is misdirecting their finite political energy. You have helped big coal/oil/gas/meat/etc. in keeping regulations off their back.",
"> defend meat consumption \n\nI like it, I think it's good for you (in moderation), and as far as climate change triage it's way down the list. \n\nI'll gladly give up meat when something is done about the companies that pollute more than every single action of every single private citizen combined.\n\nUntil then I'll keep eating meat. I don't drive a car, have kids or consume much material goods. My carbon footprint is comparatively small enough as is.",
"Yeah I don't get why people think the free economy would prevent profit from unethical practices.",
"I don't know about that... I mean 74% of climate change is through other sources according to the video. I would think getting the public on board would be easier with things within that other 74% versus trying to get them to not eat things they enjoy. You can also just advocate eating a lot less beef (and lamb) and end up in a much better place in regards to food emissions. \n\nRegardless, some of these posts completely ignore the reality of how most people think. Tackle the easy things first- things that people can live with- and work your way in, because it's hard enough to get people to even believe climate change is real. Drastic changes all at once need to happen, but realistically they won't if governments try to do it that way because people will simply be resentful and reject those changes. It's the same thing we've seen with Covid measures.",
"logical in what sense? if I had $10 to spend on food today, there's a solid chance that whatever fast food I end up having to get is not going to be vegan. perhaps it's logical in the 'think of the future' sense but for a lot of people even thinking with that mindset is a luxury (in reference to those at or below the poverty line as well as lower middle class).",
"Spoiler: >!not the rich!<",
">Eating meat, on the other hand, is purely emotionally driven.\n\ni mean, also as far as fast food goes for those that can't afford to buy healthier options it's more efficient financially and calorie wise (as in less expensive for more calories, not healthier) neither of which are emotional",
"They did the same thing with vaccines: The Side Effects of Vaccines - How High Is The Risk?\n\nTurns out the risk wasn't very high at all.",
"> So replacing houses or cars is a good direction but it'll take decades.\n> \n> We can just give up meat today.\n\nWhat an absurd double standard. You act as if the meat industry can suddenly disappear overnight.\n\nBut more importantly, I'm not arguing against reducing our meat consumption. I'm simply pointing out that acting like someone who's cutting back isn't doing enough because they could be doing better is ridiculous.\n\n> Anyone that wants to solve global warming is vegan and is working to end the livestock industry\n\nI guess Bernie and AOC aren't trying to end climate change?\n\nStop acting holier than thou just because you decided to go vegan.",
"Such a high bar. Honestly I cant think of a single product which is not derived from animal abuse in some way.\n\nMines produce tailings which are deadly to animals. A ridiculous number of birds alone die every day in tailings ponds (not to mention bugs). So no metals of any kind. Open pit copper mines are really bad, so no electricity for you.\n\nThe trees for the lumber was home for many insects and animals. Is it abuse to take someones shelter away? Is it exploitation? It should be, those insects are partially responsible for the tree.\n\nSpeaking of plants, micro bacteria in the soil is responsible for providing nutrients to the plant. When you remove the plant from the ground you're killing a huge numbers of bacteria you exploited.\n\nLike is it just direct abuse? Or maybe just maybe you think your being morally superior when your not?",
"You don't even have to eat no meat at all. Just switching to chicken is already like 10 times better than beef. (Still worse than plant based, but not nearly as much as beef)\n\nBeef should absolutly be really fucking expensive. And meat in general should never be the cheaper option when compared to plant based stuff in my opinion.",
">cheese pizza\n\nYou have my axe!",
"I switched from burgers to sausage patties?",
"I've heard that for 10 years and again the funding seems to be moving away from lab grown.\n\nWe might get nuclear fusion to work. Should we stop building solar panels?\n\nYou really aren't doing the cow any favors bringing it into a world of suffering. The livestock industry is also a main contributor to the current high amount of extinction events so if you care about stopping a species from dying out you'd already be vegan.",
">meet\n\nIt's just... you did this twice... and do you even know what you're talking about?",
"Marinated pork is tremendous",
"Only 10%?? That’s still a fuck ton.",
"> That is also far from the only nutrient you require. Also produce, pulses, cereal grains, legumes, etc, are among the least expensive things you can buy.\n\nnot really, idk why all of you discount fast food in these arguments as if everyone who's contributing to the meat issue is shopping at the grocery store when the real offense is more than likely due to fast food chains like McDonalds; a cheeseburger is like ~300 calories for less than $2 and you are not going to find as much calories at the same price point in vegetables \n\nthis also entirely discounts time, which again those at the bottom have minimal of to be even cooking half the stuff on this list which again leads them to fast food and America's obesity problem. the math isn't as simple as \"everyone shops at the same place with the same budget and the same amount of time, so just choose not meat\"",
"I'd be in favor of people having to \"kill what they eat\" once a year or something in order to have access to meat. Kinda like those war hawks in Washington banging the drum of war, knowing they'll never have to fire a shot or see anyone they care about dead and bleeding next to them.",
"I'm not saying that's never the case, hunting has driven many species to extinction or near-extinction throughout human history. My point was that hunting is not even close to the primary cause. Urban development, deforestation, mining, things like that have a much larger impact on the ability of predators to maintain proper population for both themselves and their prey animals. \n\nI'm sure you're well aware of the history of wolves in Idaho, so I don't need to explain why this is a fairly unique scenario.",
">The higher up the food chain you eat, the more resource intensive it is\n\nSo, plankton? I'm open to try if someone manages to make it taste like grilled cheese",
"Nihilists are so fucking annoying.",
"Just quick. . . but I don't quite see why this isn't just common sense. If you look at what hunters hunt, they are not aiming for a visibly sick dear obv. they go for the big bucks. Additionally, removing the carcass kinda obviously makes it unavailable for scavengers. I don't get how this takes a study. \n\nhttps://www.pnas.org/content/114/1/13\n\nhttps://wilderness-society.org/hunting-cannot-replace-the-trophic-cascade-induced-by-top-predators/\n\nhttps://untamedscience.com/blog/hunting-and-conservation/\n\nhttps://sciencing.com/effects-animal-overpopulation-8249633.html",
"I think he's one of those people who thinks if we don't slaughter cows then they'll start spreading like flies. As if they are a viable form of wildlife at all. Once we stop breeding them for food and milk, they stop existing.",
"> Honestly I think that people would naturally eat a lot less meat if the emotional toll of killing and butchering an animal wasn't done completely out of the public's eye sight. Lots of people eat meat 3x a day which for the majority of human history was just not how people ate meat. I don't think individual choices, regardless, would have that big of an impact on climate change but the way we treat meat in the modern world has become incredibly removed from any sort of discomfort caused by killing an animal.\n\nehh, a lot of the farmed animals wouldn't still exist in the wild and pretty much only exist TO be farmed and eaten so at least for me those vids about grinding the chickens or whatever don't really change anything. if anything, people butchering their own meat would just eat less meat out of laziness more than any emotional toll",
"I just hate how common that rhetoric is. \n\nDisney screws over creators and manipulates copyright law to suit their whims? “That’s terrible, but I’m just one person and they’re still making billions so I’ll subscribe to Disney+ because it doesn’t matter.”\n\nBlizzard/Activision has a terrible workplace environment and a culture of sexually harassing their workers? “Oh no! I could never support that. But also they’re still making lots of money so it won’t hurt if I subscribe to the new WoW expansion!”\n\nLiterally every day with this shit. I don’t expect people to care about every issue in equal measure, because that’s just unrealistic, but I *do* expect people to stand up for their own values at least. Don’t pretend like you care about issues when you’re actively supporting their causes.",
"Were you under the impression people like meat because it's calorie dense? People would absolutely be mad lol",
"The problem with other types of meat is that they have to eat feed crops whereas cows can digest cellulose. Everything that feeds a pig or chicken can give calories to a human. However, cows can eat things like corn stalks or wheat straw, which would otherwise go to waste. If it weren't for the methane, cows would be a more sustainable form of meat.\n\nScientists are trying to find a way to give seaweed supplements to reduce cow's methane emissions and it does show some success. Unfortunately, it seems like the microbes adapt to this, so it doesn't seem to be a good long term solution.",
"Because what they proposed was getting rid of bullshit subsidies, not rolling back regulations. Of course it won’t prevent that, but all things being equal it will result in prices actually reflecting the costs of producing the meat",
">A negative of green energy is losing millions of jobs, energy/oil dependence since plastics and such are never going away, destroying the planet by mining cobalt and lithium while using slave and child labour in 3rd world countries. \n\nGreen energy generates more jobs (https://www.forbes.com/sites/energyinnovation/2019/04/22/renewable-energy-job-boom-creating-economic-opportunity-as-coal-industry-slumps/?sh=5ad166933665), energy/oil dependence for other industries would disappear because we would not need near as much fossil fuels (and those could be generated from green sources), and mining is localized pollution, vs the world wide pollution of emissions. Also, your last point applies just as much to fossil fuels.\n\nQuite simply, you are not only wrong on each point, but you didn't even address the externality argument, which shows the free market is not fairly pricing in emissions into price.\n\n>Instead of saying no to all cows, how about we eat the entire cow? I’ve grown up on a farm and have eaten most of a cow. We can use 100% of a cow, we just choose not too.\n\nHow can you grow up on a farm and say such a thing? Yes, companies use 100% of the cow, for a variety of food and other products (60% vs 40%).",
"I eat mostly plant based. Cutting out the animal products I still eat is so much extra work for food I enjoy exponentially less that it isn't worth it. When the alternatives become more widely available and better quality I will gladly switch over. Regardless of that the negging that vegans do to try and convince people of how evil/immoral they are is just off-putting and even if I do go vegan I will continue to think that's doing more harm than good. \n\nEven your \"we've evolved past eating meat\" argument just comes across as you beating your own dick off about how much better you think you are than everyone else. The moral arguments are off-putting to a lot of people, including a lot of vegetarians and vegans, and they would have significantly better chances getting people to try their diets with nutritional arguments while leaving their moral superiority circle jerking at the door.\n\nAlso the auto downvoting kind of reinforces the moral superiority douchbaggery. You think you're better than non vegans and don't give a fuck what any non vegan has to say. And that's why everyone thinks the stereotypical internet vegans are insufferable douche bags.",
"This exactly. The cows aren't killed but they eventually have to die anyway in ways that can be much worse. They are shipped to countries/states that slaughter cows, left to starve on the street, illegally slaughtered, etc. In an especially drought sensitive country, the amount of water/resources that is given to cows is insane.",
"Right wing media will just dust of their scripts from last year and wail about, “Joe Biden and the radical left are trying to ban cheeseburders again!!1!1!1”",
"This is without a doubt one of the more hilariously pathetic comments I’ve seen in Reddit lmaoo",
"Throughout all my replies I have said we need to do **both** \\- hold companies accountable and change our personal behavior. Not eating meat isn't stopping you from engaging in political activism. It's even making you more effective, because by consuming less you are lowering demand, reducing the profit margin of these companies, forcing them to produce less, i.e. pollute less. Personal responsibility and political activism go hand in hand, they are in no way opposed. You act as if this is binary - either only societal or only personal change.\n\nI am making moral claims, because as everybody else in society I believe we ought to act in a moral way. Personally contributing to systems that causes harm is bad in my opinion. You also believe that climate change is bad. So I am making a moral prescription based on your position that environmental destruction is bad, that you should personally do as much as possible to not perpetuate said harm.\n\nI am very curios how you will reply to my slavery analogy. Is the slaver justified in not giving up his slaves, because he only wants collective societal change?",
">\tUltimately the beef subsidies don’t go into lower prices. They go into profit margins. Either pure profit, or just propping up poorly run farms.\n\n\n*Ultimately subsidies don’t go into lower prices. They go into profit margins. Either pure profit, or just propping up poorly run businesses.*\n\n\nStill accurate. \nSee also: rent subsidies that drive up the prices of rent because now people can “afford” the higher prices with the help that the subsidy provides.",
">Don’t pretend like you care about issues when you’re actively supporting their causes.\n\nYes all these pro-capitalism \"liberals\" keep complaining about these issues that are inherent to capitalism and yet will decry alternatives as evil.",
"Pretty sure you’re wrong there champ.",
"A majority of Americans disagree with the economic priorities of our elected leaders. That's an oligarchy.\n\nYou can use words like \"democracy\" if you want, but if you're not willing to interrogate the term then the word is useless.\n\nhttps://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746",
"Usually shitload of chicken. On average 100g of chicken is 25-30g of protein. Add some veggies on side and maybe couple fruits and you are +/- done (and maybe protein shake as dessert). \nHave done something similar in past. Bodybuilders usually need x2-x3 amount of protein a normal person needs. So usually aiming 100-200g per day is quite common. \nSo if you need lot of protein but a not a lot calories meat is usually your best bet.",
"But a bunch of angry rednecks who insist all socialism is bad except the socialism that gives them money to let corn rot in their fields means that the country instantly swings against whoever does that.",
"Always love those animations from kurz gesagt, can’t imagine how much time and effort that must have taken!!",
"Isolate protein powder. One scoop is usually around 30 grams of protein and only 100 calories.",
"I don’t know who you’re talking to but sure, if they claim that capitalism is evil and continue supporting it by buying into it and supporting candidates who don’t want change then yeah, they fall into the category I’m talking about. \n\nYou and I both know that’s not what you’re talking about though.",
"I love oat milk I've switched to plant based drinking but I'm not sure what would work in recipes. Don't really want oatmilk in mashed potatoes.",
"In the US the most commonly hunted species are overpopulated, such as whitetail deer and feral hogs, and need hunters to harvest game or state organizations have to cull the populations. None of those “sources” are anything more than science journalism and it is all so general you can’t really have a debate about it. One of the sources is even a blog…",
"Cutting beef is super easy because Beyond and Impossible meats, and even target's house brand and Aldi meatballs are amazing substitutes. I was a burger fiend, and at this point prefer the \"fake\" alternatives. Same thing for breaded chicken patties, ice cream, and milk. The fake ones are better.\n\nVegan cheese isn't as good but a few brands are good enough, especially melted. And not feeling bloaty and slow after is worth it",
"The meat industry can disappear quickly. Practically overnight. I don't understand you're challenge here.\n\nI would yield buying alternatives and supporting them is important but it's very important but it's just as important to stop supporting the livestock industry.\n\nAOC and Bernie do not support ending global warming. That is correct.",
"> I don't mean literally only eat meat once a year.\n\nPoor Reddit is never invited to any parties. Hence the confusion.",
"Advocating both is actively harmful. You are distracting people.\n\nYou didn't reply to my tax reform analogy either. Clearly neither us see the point in stretched metaphors.",
"I got mine the calendar. Thank god for these guys.",
"Yes and no. \nI tried to be almost vegan for 1 month, felt very bad. Because time spent in kitchen increased 2-3 times and after that just gave up and just lived on potatoes and vegan chili (missed meat even in that option) + rice. \nI know how to cook, but I am not a fan of spending too much time when cooking stuff. You rarely can make food faster than just cooking piece of meat on stove and cutting couple veggies (maybe preparing rice and mixing stuff together).",
"Probably a lot of protein shakes.",
"Didn't you watch the video haha",
"Yeah I get that it would be a good idea in this instance against these government subsidies, but isn't it a bit shortsighted by market libertarians that this will hold true for everything? I could imagine countless other situations where the involvement of politics could prevent unethic behaviour.",
"Of course, because how dare people participate in the society they have no choice but being a part of. /s",
"\nI literally said eating plant based or reducing your cattle/ruminant/pig consumption or hunting was beneficial to the environment and for some reason you’re responding like I said “everyone should stop eating meat altogether and that will fix all of climate change.”\n\nOther big climate change factors include our dependence on fossil fuels - cars, shipping, plastic. None of those are a quick fix either.",
"[Here is a video debunking it as well.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkMOQ9X76UU) Just to get both sides",
"Deep? What? \nLobbying is literally legal and the definition of an oligarchy.",
"What I've learned talked about this same thing months ago",
"> AOC and Bernie do not support ending global warming. That is correct.\n\nLol got it. Anyone who isn't vegan doesn't care. Good to know.",
"Sounds like your main source for the benefits of hunting is hunters associations, which would naturally be biased. Do you have any sources on the benefits of hunting as opposed to supporting the local wildlife?",
"I can't give up cheese. I'm a super picky eater so giving it's hard enough giving up what I do enjoy.",
"I find oat milk works fine in scrambled eggs but I haven't cooked anything else with it.",
"When your defense against veganism is attacking things completely unrelated like using a car, you know that you are being illogical.",
"Ah, good thing then that we aren't growing massive amounts of wheat, corn and soybeans in order to feed our livestock. /s",
"Actually got my bachelors in wildlife biology and conservation",
"I mean you are definitely correct that free market libertarians are ubiquitously short sighted lol and yes government intervention is generally needed to correct shitty industry practices but if the government withdrew the subsidies and didn’t back down from the industry’s regulatory obligations then there aren’t many other options for the companies",
"Where fish is \"better\" for emissions, it sure is horrifying for our ocean ecosystems",
"> Steak is not the only calorie dense food.\n\nI don't think most people really give a shit how calorie dense something is. They eat it because it tastes good.",
"That's great for vegans, but for those of us who like the real deal, it's like saying grape drink is just as good as wine.",
"It's not harmful. Consumption need to be brought down and people need to be made aware they are consuming too much.\n\nYou edited that part. I didn't see it when I initially replied to it.\n\nI don't think either of us have used stretched metaphors. I agree with your analogy - if you are in an income bracket that you think should be taxed more heavily, you ought do something productive with that money. \n\nThat doesn't necessarily mean donating it to the IRS. Because the implication of increasing taxes isn't that the IRS needs more money per say, it more so means that there are social problems that need solved through some social program. So it would be more productive to use your money to alleviate some societal problem that you find important. You could donate said money to a charity or some sort of local solidarity project. But donating to the IRS would be better than just using the money for some personal end, although in my opinion a worse solution, because you have no direct control over where the money goes.",
"See also: milk production",
"I'm surprised they did not cover the fishing industry in this as well. Give Seaspiracy a watch on Netflix to see all the harm THAT meat industry is causing.",
"The point should be ignored for sure. But people making points like these aren't usually bad people. They've just been conditioned to have an attachment to meat. So while the point itself might not be worth addressing, it's still worth it to help an individual, and anyone else reading along at home, confront their biases.",
"Easy enough to head off by simply framing it by how much money taxpayers would save and saying big corporations don't need handouts when American workers are struggling enough as is. Conservatives love tax cuts and are also skeptical of big business. Its worth a shot.",
"I believe most vegan beliefs operate \"within reason\", the vast majority of vegan people would not say that it is unethical to take medication derived from animal products. You can't ask a person to just die or become disabled.\n\nThe damage of bee keeping is that it causes the overrepresentation of one specific bee species, damaging the ecosystem, reducing pollen available for other bees.\n\nAlso, plants definitely do not have a nervous system. There are many excellent ways plants can communicate and respond to the environment, but it is wildly different to the nervous system of an animal.",
"Veganism is about reducing animal suffering as much as you can, people are well aware that there will always be some level of animal suffering.",
">Just because it’s natural doesn’t mean it’s ideal.\n\nI agree, but hard disagree on everything else. In what framework is a lifeless rock formed at the cost of immeasurable ongoing suffering and death considered ideal?",
"Didn't work for China that well but if every human only had 1 child the population would be cut in half in one generation. Its not THAT unethical to limit offspring. \n\n\nEdit: I wanted to point out I do not think this is a feasible thing just that it is theoretically possible to change our population in a semi-ethical way.",
"What about people with smaller incomes?",
"Congrats you got it.\n\nThere is no solution to global warming that has a livestock industry in it so if you support holding that up you don't support solving global warming. Is there a fault in that logic?\n\nI should highlight Bernie has said some of ending subsidies to livestock along with Warren but I think it's far from what would be expected to support solving global warming.",
"I was told there would be logic. I simply used that logic and now getting some hate rather than arguments instead.\n\nAs far as being completely unrelated, if your MAIN reason for being a vegetarian - not you perhaps but the person I replied to originally that had no argument - is that you're concerned about efficiency and pollution then **one would think** that using the same logic, they also wouldn't be driving a car considering how that is absolutely optional compared to changing your eating habits while also being more efficient and not polluting.\n\nSo perhaps if you want to argue vegetarianism then you should use a different argument. Like not logic but data like how being a vegetarian has major health benefits and how - considering the main point of video - that beef is really bad for you healthwise compared to being a vegetarian or even eating just chicken.\n\nSo if you want to actually start changing minds, don't go to crazy town and advocate veganism or even vegetarianism but start to argue against eating beef in particular which - if you care about the environment - would be your best bet. Then once you have people on board with not eating beef then you can continue making arguments against meat in general.\n\nThis is as opposed to talking about the virtues of saving a few pounds of pollution by not eating beef but spewing a lot more by driving a car.",
"Do you have any reccomended reading on the benefits of hunting compared to supporting local wildlife?",
"Vegan Mayo in mash potatoes works great! Oat milk is honestly fine too. If your potatoes are well seasoned you’ll never tell the difference.",
"Can confirm, where I live beef is a lot more expensive than pretty much any other meats, so I pretty much never buy it. 🤷♂️",
"Which one? Got a prospect?",
"So your life for theirs is ok?\n\nThe main threat to wild bees is not farmed bees but mono culture practices.\n\nNervous systems are a definition based on the animal kingdom. That is a pronouncement by definition rather and can't really hold up. We have really no clue what self awareness is or any idea of a soul or if there is any. Is the line you are going to die on saying that because this thing is more like you other things don't deserve the same rights?",
"TL;DW vegan is the best option for the environment",
"You don't seem to have looked at the links properly, how are you arguing that the Zeckhauser 2017 or Ordiz et Al 2013 paper are \"general\" or nothing more than science journalism when they are academic papers specifically about the topic at hand?",
"https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201334",
"Yes, deer and hogs in the US are overpopulated in many areas but the best solution is not hunting. The best solution is the reintroduction of natural predators.",
"They didn’t post the papers they posted articles discussing the papers or sometimes multiple papers.",
"Except that if you just wanted 300 calories as inexpensively as possible, you would simply buy a bottle of vegetable oil. Fast food is not a sustainable solution, and it's not even that cost-effective. In order to meet your daily requirement of calories on fast food alone, you would need more than just a cheeseburger. \n\nYou can get a bag of tortilla chips with over a thousand calories for a fraction of that cost. Cheap, fast, junk food isn't the providence of animal products. In reality, vegan versions thereof (if the goalpost truly has moved away from health) are available in much more efficient and affordable ways. Likely takes even less time to stop into a convenience store for a single item than it does to order McDonalds, but either way, the supposed impossibility of inexpensive calorie-dense vegan food is simply incorrect on a factual level.",
"You subsidize them, instead of giant agribusinesses. And, people eat less meat because it is expensive.",
"Agreed. Show them Dominion https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko",
"We recently had a LAN party with pizza at work and I ordered a caprese pizza. My co workers said “you must choose something with meat”. \n\nBunch of weirdos mixed with toxic masculinity.",
"Veganism is certainly more moral, that's it's whole thing. That doesn't meant it's more logical. It takes a lot more effort to be vegan. How is requiring more effort on your part more logical?",
"\"based on... trust me\"",
"In the last few years some dairy products started really messing with me (luckily cheese is still good) and I swapped to Almond Milk, so far I like the taste better in pretty much everything and haven't had too much trouble with cooking with it. They only thing off the top of my head that I can think of is I cannot get it to foam with a cappuccino wand well, but I didn't drink much of that before anyway. Though a lot of my vegetarian friends also swear by oat milk so I may need to try that too.",
"Also that animals suffer in a capacity not dissimilar to humans as they are sentient and very likely capable of experiencing conscious distress/pain. Therefore to reduce human inflicted suffering onto others we should seek to avoid violence against sentient beings where possible.",
"That's still not a source. I have a degree in fluid mechanics and years of experience in anaerobic bio-remediation but for some reason the state water board always made me cite my sources. Declaring yourself an expert because you got an undergraduate degree in something makes you about as credible as the next person.",
"Look up ad hominem fallacy because you're beinga textbook example.\n\nCompletely illogical.",
"Go tell that to the people working in natural resource management who have to deal with wild populations today and not only in the future. There are all kinds of hurdles to reintroducing natural predators and I am all for it but that is not a realistic solution to problems with overpopulation in urban and suburban areas.",
"Or not at all. Negative population growth would be a good thing for the planet. \n\nYou're right though. People tend not to make their diet choices based on the impacts and implications thereof. *Even people who care about those very impacts and implications.* Meaning there are many people who, for example, are starkly against systems of anthropogenic climate change, and yet are actively participating in one of the biggest causes every day. \n\nMy point is that people don't make their diet choices based on these concerns, but should.",
"I'm not vegan, and I've never really seen any vegans argue that their practices come down to the existence of a soul.\n\nThere is a clear distinction between animals and plants, from the very composition of each individual cell. While we might not have strict definition of consciousness or a way to identify self-awareness, thatdoesnt mean we can't reduce suffering. You don't need to a dog to tell you it's in pain to know you shouldn't kick it, in the same way you can tell that an oyster moving away from a noxious stimuli is having some sensation of pain or suffering.",
"https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201334",
"https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0201334",
"vegans is why we have deserts and nevada",
"So is your coffee the only time you consume dairy?",
"[Watch this one too. Trust me, it's very good.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1vW9iSpLLk)",
"Yes, that’s also a huge problem! Mono-culture, mass till farming destroys soooo much topsoil! \n\nThe crazy part is that no-til farming brings nutrients BACK into the soil microbiome, builds new topsoil and actually requires no weeding and minimal pesticides when done right! \n\nSinging Frog Farm in Sebastpol gets 100k per month yield per acre compared to 20-40k on his neighboring farms using traditional til based farming!",
"https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/economy-budget/309575-how-agriculture-subsidies-are-hurting-farmers-taxpayers\n\nRemember that time conservatives \"rolled back\" the subsidies in 2014 and instead just made them cost more?",
"Pretty much! I'm not super strict though so I've eaten meals that have dairy in them at a restaurant or if someone else had made it\n\nOtherwise I'm vegan but for coffee",
"Except when making wine-tasting and wine-acting grape drink is a multibillion-dollar industry. And, again, if wine were one of the largest contributors to the destruction of the natural world.",
"Get rid of all government subsidies then. See how much sugar we eat.",
"The person I was replying to asked if I got my info from a hunters association. That is not where I received my info from. I got it from professors. I can search for and link sources but that isn’t what was asked. Thanks for the snarky attitude though.",
"The first link is direct to the paper and as long as the article links to a paper then there's nothing wrong with that, the paper is easy to access.",
"I drink oatmilk as an alternative but personally think it kinda sucks if I'm honest.\n\nIt's watery and bland and other than being a white, somewhat smooth liquid, I don't find it to be a decent alternative.\n\nEdit: downvoted for not liking oatmilk. Lol",
"Yes, the answer is to go vegan.",
"Oh cool. Bothers me when people say things like that (“I could go vegan except for butter on my bread!”), and use it at an excuse to not cut out anything. It’s just something meaningless people say to make themselves feel better.",
"He just told you he had one, you just didn't like it the answer because he didn't change his opinion to align with yours.",
"Thankfully, my 10 year old loves watching them. I do too, and I appreciate her inquisitive mind - and they often spark good conversations.",
"How is it easier to go to a page then redirect to another page as opposed to linking a paper or papers?",
"It wasn't because of these socialist tendencies.",
"What?",
"I don't think anyone is arguing that animals can be pests or have negative effects, the original poster was comparing human hunting with animal predators, arguing that relying on human hunting is worse in the long run which was supported by the papers he linked.",
"Quick question, what do you think Capitalism is?",
"This shows nothing that is being debated. Over population of any species causes ecological harm, no one disagrees there. However, hunting is a non ideal solution and actually degrades the environment in other ways. Natural predators are an important part of the ecosystem and provide a much better balance and improve the whole ecosystem. They tried hunting and culling the deer population for decades in Yellowstone. The only thing that solved it was the reintroduction of wolves. They did a nice documentary on it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysa5OBhXz-Q",
"I actually agree with you, although it seems to be a minority viewpoint on Reddit. The majority of us live in countries where you can vote to elect your leaders. Yes, there is lobbying and funding for certain candidates, but ultimately unless an election is literally rigged or someone breaks the law then the people have the power to vote in who they democratically want.\n\nThe problem is more likely voters that are not educated/engaged enough or are not able to work together to achieve specific goals. Imagine living in a country that is literally a dictatorship and seeing people in Western democratic countries complaining that their vote means nothing.",
"I don't understand how it can cost 18 kg of CO2 emissions to transport 1kg of beef from the butcher to the grocery. Like, you wouldn't burn 18kg of fuel crossing town. Sure there's more fuel burned than what is in your vehicle since it takes fuel to make fuel but still, the butcher isn't transporting 1 kg of beef at a time so there's economy of scale.\n\nEdit: I see now. Their wording was a little unclear but the 18kg is the total cost of producing and delivering the beef.",
"What. Show me where I said we should think about what the planet is feeling and I'll delete my account. What a blatant (and frankly weird) strawman. \n\nOr maybe you earnestly don't understand what climate change is and why it is bad? Not because of what the \"PLANET is FEELING,\" but because it is the most pressing threat to all sentient life *on* the planet.",
"It’s completely dependent on where a hunter is hunting, continent/country/region, what a hunter is hunting, species/trophy/sustenance. It’s bogus to generalize that heavily. Hunting and wildlife conservation is far more nuanced than the OP would like to believe.",
"There are places natural predates will never be reintroduced, and the places where it is possible could take decades to get through the government and then see any noticeable change, and it doesn’t always work. What do you expect natural resources managers to do with their overpopulation problems?",
"I also stumbled across that, even pausing to read the numbers again! My best guess is they did that by mistake because it didn't make any sense!",
"I didn't say it was easier, just that there is nothing wrong linking to an article if the paper is still easily found. An article can consolidate multiple papers on a topic, give content and further information surrounding the discussion, and allow multiple levels of engagement depending on the audience. People who are comfortable to head straight to the primary source can do so, for people who may find the papers more complex or are just looking for a surface level understanding can read the article.",
"We need to push for cultured meat. The way people eat meat Is horribly bad for the animals and for the bad for the earth. We are able to generate meat from a swab of the mouth of a cow. It’s time for change.",
"Neither is the fact that nearly all life that currently exists cannot survive that vastly different environment. Nor is it a secret that the current mechanisms of anthropogenic climate change are capable of changing the planet in ways that have no precedent on earth, even during times in which the land was uninhabitable, crucially through feedback loops that we will be unable to stop.",
"It clearly isnt. If it was, vegans would be refusing to use materials which are mined. They would be protesting for harsher legislation surrounding all industrial facilities.\n\nThat tailings pond has killed more animals since it was built than you will ever eat. It's ok though, in maybe 2500 years those tailings will be... slightly less dangerous.",
"tl;dw: stop eating so much fucking beef, you beef boy",
"Look up fallacy fallacy.\n\nAnd then actually reply with how my logic is wrong.",
"The argument in the thread is that hunting is damaging for natural populations. You are discussing reasons why hunting is more convenient for human situations, which doesn't contradict that.",
"Ever heard of not letting perfect be the enemy of good?",
"I mean yeah that is true, I'm just saying that letting the \"free economy be free\" is not the utopian solution that some people are heralding it as in this thread.",
"Yea all the other industrialized countries got the fuck bombed out of them",
"Oh no, now I'm a nerd, of all things. Guess my points have no merit. Guess all of yours do. Very cool and smart rebuttal!",
"Many vegans also practice sustainable living and reducing consumption in general, and absoluetly do support harsher legislation for things damaging the environment. I'm not sure why you think they wouldn't?",
">That doesn't necessarily mean donating it to the IRS. Because the implication of increasing taxes isn't that the IRS needs more money per say, it more so means that there are social problems that need solved through some social program. So it would be more productive to use your money to alleviate some societal problem that you find important. You could donate said money to a charity or some sort of local solidarity project. But donating to the IRS would be better than just using the money for some personal end, although in my opinion a worse solution, because you have no direct control over where the money goes.\n\nTo draw out the metaphor a tad. None of that can or will fix a broken tax code. That is the heart of the issue. The answer is changes in the laws and Government, while you inject these individualist moral solutions to problem that I argue will in no way fix the problem and only serves to distract from actual solutions.\n\nTo answer your slavery analogy. No owning slaves doesn't become moral. Individual action did not address the systematic problem and slavery legal states were part of the Union and endorsed collectivist change without individually doing anything. The answer to that problem was voting and government action not \"Individual Responsibility\".",
"There is not as much as you think there is a gradient. The very simple example of this is a oyster (animal) vs Dodder vines that can taste, smell and made decisions without a brain. Or even Physarum polycephalum, a fungus is super advanced with decision making abilities without a brain.",
"/r/im14andthisisdeep",
"ding ding.",
"What a great comparison, thank you for typing this all out 😊",
"Tell me again how hunting and eating wild animals is bad for the environment.",
"Considering that you were the one who initially asked for sources, I find it odd that now you're arguing using vague statements without any particular examples or sources.\n\nOP just argued that hunting for environmental reasons has drawbacks, you could use your own argument against yourself and say it's bogus to generalise hunting as beneficial when it depends a lot on area, species, natural environment.",
"Guess what? People love meat and hate paying more for it. It's probably not actively a very popular policy, but dropping it would be politically pretty bad.",
"Because of being one of the only major countries with their industries not having been bombed into dust.\n\nNot the reason you thought, I'm guessing.",
"Problem is, we have as a species good alternatives down the pipeline for transportation and power generation.\n\nBut not much for meat. Lab made meat has a long way to go for even being feasible.",
"Ah yeah I know the type, my mother is exactly that she's like \"I would quit meat but I just love steak too much\"\n\nDoesn't stop her eating every other meat product...",
"> There are places natural predates will never be reintroduced\n\nbecause humans don't want to not that it can't be done.\n\n> What do you expect natural resources managers to do with their overpopulation problems?\n\nNot do only the quick fix that is harmful to the ecosystems in other ways? Take a more holistic approach and to do that they are hired to do? You can taper hunting and predator reintroduction together.",
"The overpopulation of a species is more than just a human problem. Overpopulation is not better for wild animals. It spreads disease among the population and causes starvation events. Humans hunting or even culling these populations benefits humans living around the populations and the members of the population. Deer laying waste to an environments ecology does not benefit other species either.",
"I too, watched the other kurzgesagt video on this topic",
"\"no it's ok, it has cheese on it so indirectly there are still animals (male calves) killed for this pizza!\"",
"My dude you do realize animals die right? We don’t have to keep producing these genetically modified monstrosities if demand goes down",
"Yup I agree with this solution. I love a juicy steak or a burger but beef shouldn't be something that you can just casually get at McDonald's for a $1. It should be akin to Truffles or Caviar where you eat it for a special occasion. \n\nThe only con is that it's just gonna make rich people continue eating beef while poor people won't have access to it.",
"Anyone who replies by complaining about someone using words correctly is a fucking loser lol",
"I don’t care for the climate-cultists or those pushing the great reset. I will eat meat, I will own my things, and I will not give a single ounce of thought to “climate change”. Blow me.",
"This study is 10 years old now, but it predicts this:\n\n> In comparison to conventionally produced European meat, cultured meat involves approximately 7–45% lower energy use (only poultry has lower energy use), 78–96% lower GHG emissions, 99% lower land use, and 82–96% lower water use depending on the product compared.\n\nhttps://pubs.acs.org/doi/full/10.1021/es200130u\n\nThough I can't access the full text, just the abstract and the supporting figures. But since it's based on EU data they use factory farms a lot less than the US so it would be comparing open field farms mostly I would assume.",
"Serious question, how do you feel about the worldwide phasing out of dog meat?",
"Lol, I should’ve answered with that.",
"You just need to make sure that you don't use vanilla flavored or sweetened. My partner once put vanilla sweetened oat milk in mac n cheese... and it was, uh, less than optimal.\n\nAnother rec is to use vegan sour cream for them, which will taste much more like using cow's milk.",
"A commodity is just a mostly-fungible good. Water is definitely a commodity. Your use of the word has nothing to do with its definition and is confusing as hell. If you're gonna use a word in a way you just made up, you at least need to say what that new meaning is.",
"if you cut food subsidies the poor will be malnourished... most farming isn't profitable at all...",
"I didn't read they don't think its real, I read it as the person didn't believe the other commenter had it. Think about how ridiculously rare a meat allergy is.",
"That’s like telling countries dealing with overpopulation to tell their citizens to just stop having so many babies.",
"That's the whole point of the orginal posters sources though! Hunting can weaken the health of a population, increase disease, and increase the likelyhood of starvation events. Hunters tend to remove healthier animals, leaving the sick and diseased, and reduce food from the food chain that scavengers could eat.",
"Vehicles kill two billion vertebrates globally every year. That's just senseless murder cause vroom vroom good!\n\nNo, we don't. We grow soy. Over half, about 80 percent is all about human consumption. Half is for soy bean oil. The waste is used as animal feed. Waste that would go to landfills otherwise.\n\nSame with corn. Most is used for corn syrup, hfcs, and corn sugar and corn meal for humans. Again the huge waste products are sent to animals.\n\nThe majority of what animals eat of these plants is waste product from manufacturing human foods that would otherwise just go to a landfill.\n\nAnimals are extremely nutrient dense. You can eat a plant based diet. Lots do. And they suffer with multiple nutrient deficiencies. Like rice, which is a massive methane producer, is devoid of vitamin A, C and many others. Many people that eat mainly rice lose their vision from vitamin A deficiency. Something a very little amount of liver would prevent.",
"The video doesn't discuss hunting at all, and nobody is saying that. If you wanna hunt and eat go ahead. But 90% of people eat factory farmed meat so this videos is made more for those people.",
"Are there any nutrients that aren't artificially added to all these \"milks\"? Isn't almond milk the equivalent of 3 whole almonds in a liter of water? Where is the nutrient, no fat, no calories.",
"Smdh",
"But you can't have the government making mandates unless if there's a societal change in the perception of certain practices. So individual changes do make a small difference.",
"Which is a good thing when it comes to food security and wartimes.",
"??? And yet they wouldn’t taste close to the same",
"I mean you can’t shit on a plant based diet because people that only eat rice are unhealthy. \n\nBut you keep building your strawmen. I’m out of this convo.",
"So meat isn't bad for the Climate? It's how some people produce it?",
"The video did not discuss anything regarding the ethics of eating animals.",
"Are there still normal genetic lines remaining?",
"Ranchers abused their livestock, and you won't BELIEVE what happened next!",
"Probably. But the result is simply breeding fewer sheep, resulting in less suffering",
"While I think it's good to prioritize certain sects of GHG that produce more than others, nothing is going to happen if we just point the finger the other way everytime. We need to start small and stop eating beef is one of the few things we can do that can have some kinda impact.",
"It is completely dependent on where and what species. Can hunting be bad? Of course, maybe even lost or a majority I would have to research that, but hunting is often a benefit to the species being hunted due to historical human activity. Suburbs aren’t going to be destroyed to make room to introduce large predators. It just isn’t going to happen, so you have to deal with problems with the tools you have.",
"price isnt even the issue. that's entire manmade to begin with.\n\nREAL COST is the *actual* problem for everything. what resources does it take? are they renewable and if so how long does that take? and what kind of waste does getting it result in?\n\nyou can slap $10 onto anything, but that doesn't actually *mean* anything. the economy isn't the thing we need to be fixated on, but rather the process, results and way we structure our society around/within these things.",
"> I was a burger fiend, and at this point prefer the \"fake\" alternatives. Same thing for breaded chicken patties, ice cream, and milk. The fake ones are better.\n\nThis just comes down to personal taste... I am a huge meat eater and the non-meat alternatives are OK but not even in the same ballpark for me as far as taste and texture go. Make all things equal (cost, environmental impact, morality issues) and I would take real meat 100 days out of 100.",
"Other person.\n\nYour comprison was dumb, everyone knew that already.",
"Again, you're arguing what is best for humans. Even if we're not getting rid of suburbs, we need to acknowledge the effect that has.\n\n Knowing that\n\nSuburbs -> Less natural predators -> Need for hunting -> Less healthy animal populations\n\nis important when we start trying to identify how to improve population health, or notice further knock on effects on the ecosystem.",
"It does suck. Plant alternatives are disgusting.",
"yes it is",
"India has 192 million head of cattle.\n\nhttps://www.nddb.coop/information/stats/pop\n\nThe US has 93 million head of cattle \n\nhttps://www.ers.usda.gov/topics/animal-products/cattle-beef/sector-at-a-glance/#:~:text=Since%20then%2C%20the%20cattle%20herd,its%20semi%2Dannual%20Cattle%20reports.\n\nIndia has twice as many cows as the US. And most Indians don't even eat beef.",
"Okay dude have fun with that",
"I love being vegan",
"This is a balanced and realistic response. You'll never get me to not eat meat by telling me I'm abhorrent. But if you present to me a more cost effective and tasty alternative I'm all ears.\n\nI had a cracking vegan pasty the other day, it was really flavoursome. Played havoc with my guts though, chickpea really makes my stomach bloat and feels like I've got sand in my belly and colon.\n\nHad a vegan sausage roll from a large chain bakery in the UK, its truly delicious and I choose it over the meat one every time be a use its tastier and not more expensive. Bit dry, but a sauce to dip in solves that.",
"Forests are burned down for many reasons. The video makes it sound like cows are the only reason people burn forests. Many people believe that a vegan diet is healthier but not everybody believes that. At one point he mentions fake meat, without saying how fake meat compares to anything else. I eat 10 times as much chicken as beef and only eat one meal a day with meat. He didn't talk about fish which is ambiguously meat.",
"Still eating 800g of chicken per day. Stay mad.",
"I don’t know see how it’s misleading when they clearly state the difference in time periods. It’s only an issue if you look at this graphic by itself and remove the context.",
"Galactose-alpha-1,3-galactose is a carbohydrate, not a protein. Big difference.",
"When are people going to learn? Democracy doesn't work.",
"He doesn't need to change anything for me. His values are himself above everyone else, there's no changing someone like that.\n\nI haven't stated an opinion anywhere, I gave a metaphor that made him look childish and now he's doubling down",
"Actually you kinda can. Just it's not telling them not to have babies. You help increase opportunities for education and also stimulate the economy through investment in their infrastructure. Turns out when people are educated and have security don't have 14 children, they have 3 or 2. \n\nYour problem is you see a nail in the concrete and your only solution is to smash it with a hammer.",
"Been trying for years to eat less meat, but I'm a weak willed human being. Videos like this help keep me motivated.",
"There is a moral component that the video does not address. We are still killing an animal - if you cut out killing an animal that provides, say, 300 pounds of meat, and instead switch that source to chicken, or fish, you have to kill quite a few more animals.\n\nI'm not advocating either side of the debate here - just seems like a whole variable and large motivator for a lot of people who went vegetarian/vegan is being missed. People advocating for less beef, but still meat, are inadvertently advocating for more animal suffering.",
"And doing all that would be doing more than just telling them to stop having babies. It would be super efficient and would work but it’s completely unrealistic and would never happen. That was what the analogy was about.",
"What kind of subsidies do you have in America?\n\nBeef (especially) can be stupid expensive in Australia. Even in a production/slaughter town and even in a country town. Steaks and roasts are a rarity in my household, though burgers and ragu dishes are pretty common using ground beef. The ground beef is still *kinda* expensive, but much more affordable than a steak.\n\nBeen trying out some alternatives lately. Really enjoyed the halloumi burgers. Even more so than a beef burger. Beyond Burgers are on sale pretty damn cheap atm, so planning on trying them out.\n\nHonestly, I'm not against consuming less meat. There have been many times where I've cooked a meat based dish and honestly just not felt like eating it (myself... my family will eat it, nothing gets wasted) because I honestly just don't feel like eating meat some times.",
"I'm only here to watch the vegans downvote people. \n \nEDIT; The vegans are salty today.",
"I was baffled when I first heard of americans doing the \"meatless Mondays\". Like, wth? Do people actually eat meat so often that they need to make it sort of ritual to NOT eat it? Not even from a ecologism perspective, but from an economic one, I've always eaten meat about once or twice a week, mostly pork and poultry, with beef reserved for special ocasions.",
"r/wheresthebeef is the future",
"You seem relatively knowledgeable on the subject. What's the issue with eggs? I mean, I understand from a vegan standpoint that you won't use animal products so eggs are out. But from a practical standpoint, I see eggs as a commonly contested thing and I'm not sure what the issue is. Obviously cruel conditions for for the animals is a problem, but in general if you had a small coop in your home with a half a dozen hens, what's the drawback? Is it farming the feed to keep them alive? Because they're gonna lay the eggs either way if I understand correctly. I find it hard to believe that the emissions for some hens would be catastrophic to the earth, but I dont really know.",
"I am by no means an expert.. but I do know that up here in Alaska where you pay for 90% of your feed (instead of growing it) you can harvest beef at almost store prices. Yes you put in labor for butchering etc..\n\n But I suspect the subsidies are not near as high as you think.",
"democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time",
"That's one that you'll see vegans split on. Personally, if my neighbor or someone had a pet chicken and it just happened to lay eggs, I'd be okay with that, assuming that it's humanely treated and otherwise a pet in every other way. Same for honey. My friend's day beekeeps as a hobby and considers his bees as pets. He takes a very small amount of honey every so often, and doesn't use commercial methods such as wing clipping.\n\nThe secondary problem a lot of vegans have is that chickens as they currently are have been bred in a way that's not healthy for them. It's not normal for a chicken to lay a day every day, more like 2~3 per week.",
"That’s a swift witted thing to say.",
"Yes",
"Exploitation and unnecessary suffering is actually a necessary component of capitalism. These are not secondary byproducts. They are the product.",
"I work peripherally in the energy industry, and *you should see* the amount of whining the nuclear industry promotes about the few, not very impressive solar subsidies.\n\n*Nuclear,* the most government-subsidized energy industry ever. It wouldn't even exist without the Manhattan Project, the second-most-expensive government initiative of World War 2 (when presumably there were A LOT of things competing for government dollars). Eisenhower's \"atoms for peace\" subsidy , where the government threw money and huge tax breaks at nuclear to promote the idea that it wasn't just about killing people. The whole infrastructure of uranium mining built from scratch. Numerous government agencies supplying inspectors, safety equipment, rules, waste disposal, and so on to support \"commercial\" nuclear power.\n\nNuclear may be necessary to combat climate change (frankly renewables are making progress so fast this is no longer as clear as nuclear proponents hoped). But these guys are the most hilariously entitled, hypocritical whiners when any perceived competition gets even the lamest little bit of government support. It's embarrassing.",
"I feel like the real argument is over the timeline. Vegetarians have the science and moral perspective backing them up, but that doesn't mean we can transition the planet instantly. Realistically even a best case scenario would take multiple decades.",
"Here's a video debunking that video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkMOQ9X76UU&ab\\_channel=EarthlingEd",
"I might be wrong, but the 800 million is number of CO2 we can emit before it's at a point of no return. Currently we're on pace for 2050 or something like that (have no idea tbh). The point is that even if we cut out everything, but still eat the same, we're still fucked.",
"Well your statement is misleading because by \"some people\" you mean like 90% of the meats we consume.",
"Yeah I recommend watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkMOQ9X76UU&ab\\_channel=EarthlingEd",
"I made a decision years ago to get local beef and got it at my local farmers market as a way to stop supporting factory farms and reduce my red meat consumption (it was more expensive so I didn't buy as much)\n\nThey started bringing in new vendors and promoted ethnic cuisine. I got into Indian food. Veggie samosas, Chana masala. Then an African restaurant with a peanut bean stew. It was some of the most flavorful food I ever had and was a major change in my life.\n\nBeen plant based for about 5 years. No plan on ever changing. It's cheaper, healthier, tastier, and better for the environment.",
"Exposing people to violence inevitably desensitizes them to it. If you take a 4 year old and desensitize them to death and blood and gore from butchering animals, how do you think that develops in their psyche when it comes to violence against other humans when they grow up later? A lot of serial killers start out with violence towards animals when they are young.\n\nNo one really ever talks about it, but a big benefit of abstracting away the butchering process from the general public's eyes is that it helps keep everyone pacified and peaceful.",
"I feel like this is the best option instead of mass instantaneous veganism\n\nIt's way easier to reduce your consumption of meat than it is to instantly switch to no meat",
"People out here suddenly turn into Ronald Reagan when it comes to beef. Suddenly subsidies become this unnatural bizarre thing interfering with the precious free market.",
"The issues with eggs are a little bit more debatable and less obvious, so I don't blame you for not knowing, but like most animals half of the children produced in hatcheries will be male. Egg laying hens aren't used for meat like broiler chickens so are pretty much useless to the industry. Hours after they have hatched and their sex has been identified they will be killed. Either ground alive in macerators or suffocated. But even backyard hens have problems. \n\nWe have selectively bred egg laying chickens to over produce eggs at the cost of their own health. They can produce anywhere between 200 to 300 eggs a year at their height of production. The jungle fowl that these chickens originated from in nature laid nowhere near that amount. There is a reason you won't find regular birds producing eggs every other day, it's all the doing of human beings over centuries. As a result modern egg laying chickens suffer from osteoporosis from over production of eggs and the amount of calcium it takes to make so many. You'll find it's often recommended to feed eggs back to backyard hens just so they can reclaim some of that calcium. Industrial egg laying hens usually get killed after a year. Which is about a tenth of their expected lifespan.\n\nBut in terms of emissions like you've mentioned. Backyard hens aren't massive contributers of emissions until you factor in the demand for eggs. The only way we can currently cater to the kind of demand for eggs seen in modern typical diets is with large scale farming. People in cities, without gardens, or without the means to look after hens can't rely on backyard sources for eggs. Large scale farming of chickens requires lots of feed (emissions from growing that feed), require lots of culling (to produce female egg laying hens and discard the males which are largely useless to the industry, we also can't use sexed semen for birds because all bird semen has the same sex chromosomes), and require the disposal of the waste they produce. Large scale hen farms in the UK are currently destroying the ecology of water systems like rivers and coasts through eutrophication and I imagine it's a similar story elsewhere. Biodiversity is an often overlooked environmental issue when discussing animal agriculture but it it has the real potential to cause a catastrophically cascading destruction of natural systems and could very well lead to an ecological collapse.\n\nThe bottom line is that there can't really be enough backyard hens to furnish demand, the ones that aren't backyard hens cause a significant amount of environmental damage, and backyard or not they have ethical issues around the health of the hens bred to overproduce and the male chicks that are culled to facilitate egg production.\n\nEither way the best solution, in my opinion, is to reduce the demand for eggs massively or outright cut them out.",
"Oh I definitely believe that I just didn’t want to give the impression that I’m against subsidies lol we should be aggressive as a motherfucker expanding our green tech and many other things",
"How about we just accept that some carbon creation is necessary? Cutting back on beef production has got to be the stupidest fucking thing I've heard in a while",
"Yeah, I would like to see some research done on this, but my gut feeling tells me if we outlawed meat and dairy then cows would be extinct within a decade.\n\nI'd also love to see some science of what to feed our cats once we all go vegan. Everything I've read tells me they won't be able to adapt to a vegan diet.",
"Good for you? Why do I care?",
"Well what you're suggesting here is a false dichotomy on top of another false dichotomy. It's not the choice between 1 or 10 children the same way it isn't simply the choice between population control or cutting out animal products. \n\nWe need humans to continue humanity. We don't need animal products produced at the scale we do to continue humanity.\n\nI just find it insane that people would rather advocate extreme measures and ignore easy wins when we have very simple and beneficial solutions to this problem.",
"I pretty much only eat margarine anyways. Milks a bit tougher to quit though, haven't found a milk substitute that's tasted at the very least close enough",
"Planet Oat Extra Creamy is pretty decent.",
"*end scene",
"And it's still like that as an adult!\n\nI feel like a lot of people really enjoy learning about science when it's fun and engaging. It's incredibly interesting stuff, but I'm probably not going to be reading through a thesis or anything to learn new things. \n\nI listen to a podcast called Ologies when I'm commuting or just doing idle work, and I absolutely love learning some obscure science tidbits while enjoying the upbeat, comedic tone of the podcast.",
"I wanna see the video on plant farming. It causes the land to be drained of nutrients and is cause for a significantly larger loos of animal life than animal farming is. Also, people tend to forget that vehicles with large ammounts of exhaust are used to plow feilds and harvest crops. Ill never understand how people can just ignore all the negatives of plant farming and demonize meat farming.\n\nTheyre both bad the way theyre usually done. Both can be done better, but regenerative agriculture will solve many of the issues. The only way to solve all issues is to eliminate all grocery stores and return to hunting and gathering, but I have a pretty strong feeling not many people are ready for that step yet.",
"At it's core the \"actually eating animals is good for those animals because they couldn't exist in the wild\" is just a really bad argument. I'm not really going to bother with it.\n\n>if anything, people butchering their own meat would just eat less meat out of laziness more than any emotional toll\n\nI specifically mentioned not including the time constraint, I'm just talking about the emotional toll.",
"That's kinda what was in my head as well.",
"To do that we need to scale back corruption in the political system. A great start would be stopping unlimited ~~bribes~~ campaign donations.",
"Wait what? Parties? This word confuses me. What are these parties you speak of?",
"I didn't actually say that there is an objective \"need\" to continue humanity. I am just stating that without children being produced humanity won't continue. I think that's a fair observation.\n\nI am also pointing out the dishonesty of people framing population control as the only alternative to giving up animal products. And the dishonesty of framing the argument pro population control as either 10 kids or 1. \n\nReally... no one is saying you have to have ten kids if you want your children to eat bean burgers. What's better than feeding one kid beef burgers? Feeding one kid bean burgers.\n\nIt's not either or. Please stop framing it that way. It's incredibly counter productive.",
"You seem like the type of person who loudly complains when anyone even mentions their vegetarian.",
"Did you even watch the video?\n\nThey clearly stated even the best sourced meat is worse than the highest emitting plant based option.",
"what? but it has like many times. Best example off the top of my head is Bangladesh.",
"But should money be the reason people are forced to eat less meat?",
"This is a real weakness of party systems. They don't have incentive to govern for the long term. Their concern is the next elections.",
"I don't know dude the people who grew up around farms and killing livestock have a pretty down to earth understanding of life and death.\n\nOn serial killers - why are these an invention of the modern era then? Why didn't we see more when everyone was essentially a participant in the butchering process? Sure the times were more brutal then but the type of industrial murderers we see today can be as if not more brutal.",
"Or I'll just keep eating whatever I want",
"Pretty much. I will eat meat like...3 times a week, and that is generally chicken. Sometimes I eat less, but that is where I keep it. I imagine it is easier and effective to get everyone to cut back on eating meat than demanding everyone go vegan.",
"I find Impossible to be far and away superior to competitors in terms of similarity to meat. It has its own unique taste, but in terms of texture I find it practically indistinguishable from real meat in burgers/chili/meatballs/etc.",
"TLDW: yes.",
"So they will continue to be immoral and unethical? No surprise",
"Eating veggies? The horror! Grow up",
"I didnt understand that either, maybe someone can help. The part where he talks about freighters on water vs a delivery truck, dont all vegetables have to be delivered by trucks as well? It seemed like an odd comparison, and it left me scratching my head thinking I missed something.",
"Well the real deal is bad so maybe check your priorities?",
"How is it meant to be understood with context? Did they not intend to compare the two pieces of data like in the graphic? Are the bar sizes actually irrelevant? I'm just trying to understand here. To me, the way I understood their point, was something like \"even if everyone became vegan and we had this much spare land, we would still be far away from breaking even with our CO2 emissions\", but then they show that graphic and now it looks like they're saying \"look at all of this CO2 the spared land could remove and we only emit this much CO2 in comparison, so going vegan would totally save us!\". It just doesn't make sense to me, with or without context.",
"I mean in my teens and early twenties I couldn't wrap my head around not eating meat at least twice a day. I could easily skip breakfast or have some cereal, but not eating meat at lunch or dinner just seemed impossible. \n\nThen in college someone took me to the Wednesday lunch the local Krishnas put on. It was vegan, and one of the best meals I ever had.",
"I'm not saying that seeing animals butchered will create serial killers. I'm just pointing out that there seems to be some correlation there.\n\nWhen you experience first-hand what it's like to take a living being's life, it fundamentally changes you at your core and will jade you, even if it’s just an animal. In real life, it's a lot different than seeing it in a movie. Most people can handle it and compartmentalize it (if they are mentally healthy enough), but some people can't.\n\nIt's only logical that de-sensitizing someone to death and violence and gore will make someone more inclined to commit those types of acts (if they were already mentally pre-disposed toward that direction).\n\nJust look at how much higher the violence rates are for retired war veterans compared to normal citizens, for example.",
"You're absolutely right. The number they came up with doesn't support their argument so they went with an apples and oranges comparison (co2 over 100 yrs vs co2 per year) to hide it. This is a great example of how to lie with numbers.",
" Vote with your dollars. Personal responsibility. Force change. Consider vegan.",
"The point they are making is that meat requires feed. Much more feed than we would need of we were eating those crops directly. This is just an observation of fundamental thermodynamics and trophic systems. Cows also produce greenhouse gases themselves from being fed over their lifetime and belching out methane.\n\nIt's not that the truck delivering the meat produces that amount of greenhouse gases. It's all the stuff that has to happen to get to that point.\n\nTheir comparison of delivering local meat via truck vs delivering exotic produce via ship was to highlight that is less about where the food comes from but more about what the food is and the resources that were used to create it.\n\nThis explains it better than I can. Worth a read: https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local",
"Ruminant meat is the healthiest thing for a human being.",
"They didn't watch the video, instead just posting an emotional response to the title. How awkward for them to be exactly what they accuse vegans of being.",
"I tried milk recently after having almond milk for a long time, and it was disgusting. So really it just depends what you’re used to.",
"Was hoping someone would bring up this video. I'd like to see both sides of the argument",
"They were comparing the total CO2 generated, including production, to grow the food and it to the store. Not just the transport.\n\nI never seen the \"eat local\" idea used as a way to justify eating meat so I found that segment a bit odd.",
"lmfao wat? are you stupid? its about having the choice to eat meat, regardless of socioeconomic status, dumbass.",
"Considering you can find his response on his patreon page, no that video does not debunk what's being said",
"Subsidies are how we support animal ag. They are one of many ways. \n\nAre you suggesting that meat subsidies being wrong somehow makes corn subsidies wrong by extension? I wasn't arguing against the use of subsidization as an economic strategy. It's just bad to do for meat because meat is flesh and it's production is bad.",
"And probably more like 99+%",
"Extra creamy sounds exactly what oatmilk is missing. Thanks for the tip!",
"You can just not eat beef but still use those products and you'll have significantly reduced your carbon footprint.",
"Lentils take litterally like 10-15 minutes. Pasta is even faster.",
"yeap, problem comes down to everyone having knee-jerk reactions and thinking they're smart, when it's usually the least-thought out, impractical, high-school level bullshit that takes literally one second of thought to dismiss as stupid.",
"Yes. It is.",
"I'd have to say you're right. I'd vote against anyone that did this.",
"So get involved. A truck driver in New Jersey spent $153 on his campaign and just won his election. Now is a good time for new blood to step up. The people are more pissed and primed for change in \"leadership\" since possibly the civil war. \n\nThe problem is when we look at the garbage around us and become apathetic, because that's what the established politicians want, so they can continue making money at our expense.",
"Those don't taste the same. It's not even close.",
"Beef is the most delicious meat, so frankly doing that is a huge sacrifice.",
"They're a wonderful thing for kids to be in to because they generally look at issues from about every possible angle, conflicting theories, etc. They are totally transparent about where they get their data and have even devoted multiple videos about how they go about their research process and how it has improved over time.\n\nThey also are totally willing to retroactively correct themselves or update information that is found to be outdated, or will make similar but newer videos as more information becomes available on a subject.\n\nThey're great for learning in general, but especially awesome for teaching people HOW to learn/research about topics and ideas. How to look at ideas from multiple angles and consider opposing viewpoints.\n\nI wish everyone thought about their views with even 1/10th the mental effort displayed in a kurzgesagt video. Society and politics would be a lot less cutthroat, and probably more homogenous when it came to things that benefit humanity.",
"I think the point he is making is that a lot of these substitutes are pretty close in taste and texture to the \"real deal\" Vegan butter in particular is pretty readily available, comparable in price, and taste extremely similar.",
"I sense vegan brigading tactics. And misinformation.\n\nYep, checking a couple comments basically confirmed my suspicion.",
"Try an emulsified oatmilk like Oatly. Much closer in texture (creaminess) to actual milk. Not all oatmilks are made the same (literally).",
"I find oat milk creamy and flavorful, might depend on brand",
"That's funny because that's exactly how non-vegans feel about vegans.",
"Vegans are more biased and prone to thinking they are superior in some way. Sit down.",
"That 53 number drops every year as China industrializes and builds its middle class.",
"NO IS NOT!, on the other hand, VEGANS are human hazard and need to be erradicated",
"Why don't we simply genetically engineer the cows to be much, much dumber, thereby negating that argument?",
"I agree with this strongly. The only way I would ever stop eating meat is if it tastes equally good or better than the real thing.",
"Because they keep telling people to stop eating animals! As if it's a geological cycle which takes a billion years. It's scapegoating to make you feel better, superior, and to create more division.\n\nUsing a highway kills orders of magnitude more animals than using a farm does. Even those massive factory farms everyone hates. How many people hate highways? \n\nExcavators cause far more animal abuse than eating cows and chickens. Where are the protests for manually digging holes.\n\nVegans feel better, just feels. If you want to feel better without doing anything, maybe try heroin.",
"Imagine if India stopped burning coal.",
"There have been a few studies that show that minor supplements to cattle feed can have large impacts on their methane output.\n\nThe one that sticks out in my mind is that a certain type of seaweed that is pretty common and farmable, when fed to cattle in small amounts, reduces their methane output by like 90%.\n\nI'll try and find the specific study for that claim, but there are multiple revolving around seaweed, mushrooms, and other supplements that seem like they'd be very easy to implement with a huge pay off.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEDIT: [https://caes.ucdavis.edu/news/feeding-cattle-seaweed-reduces-their-greenhouse-gas-emissions-82-percent](https://caes.ucdavis.edu/news/feeding-cattle-seaweed-reduces-their-greenhouse-gas-emissions-82-percent) \n\nThis study found an 82% reduction. There are others that found smaller reductions, it depends on the type of seaweed.\n\nThe one I remember that had it's reduction in the 90% percentile range was some type of japanese seaweed if I'm remembering correctly. In the study they fed them something like 3 oz with their daily feed for the effect.",
"Thing is vegans typically are right. That's the reason they're hated. If people weren't triggered by vegans questioning their morality, then most people would just ignore them. I mean your comment definitely comes across as hyper defensive against them.\n\nI'm not vegan but I do try to limit meat eating but it's a major pain in the ass for me. I at least admit they're right and try to do better versus say they're wrong and I'm right to feel good about eating meat. I'm no fan of animal suffering or climate destruction so I'm not going to justify it.",
"Nice work dude. You cracked the case. It's all a conspiracy by big broccoli to turn us all into weak enfeebled soy boys with wicked phytoestrogens. They will strike when we can no longer lift up the weapons we used to use on animals.\n\nIt's definitely not just scientific observation on how inefficient and damaging large scale animal product production is. Perish the thought that people might just be trying to discuss the environmental impact of growing massive amounts of food to feed animals then eating those animals. That's just VEGAN propaganda. I'm going to eat ten steaks for every steak a hippy vegan environmentalist doesn't eat. \n\nLuckily, people like us don't care about numbers so I choose to believe that 10 times 0 is probably a big number right? 100 I reckon.",
"As someone who become plant based, I can say anecdotally that I actually end up saving money when I get groceries now compared to before, and I get all the macros I need without having to \"cheat\" the diet (I'm not a professional athlete, but I do lift weights, and I don't have any issue with bulking up). Also, a recent study showed that if you live in a developed nation, [it's cheaper to buy groceries for a plant based diet than it is for a traditional meat diet.](https://www.reddit.com/r/science/comments/r4yczb/vegan_diets_are_cheaper_on_a_global_scale_says/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) You don't have to switch your diet completely overnight, but I'd encourage you to look into modifying your diet, even gradually. I was surprised at how easy the changes were to make without sacrificing any aspects of my lifestyle.",
"I'm at work, anyone have a tldr?",
"Yeah... I can't see any issue with everyone in the world switching over to hunting. I can't wait for everyone to drive out of the cities they live in to sweep up all the animals of the forest with rifles and compound bows, all linking arms and singing campfire songs like some big wholesome search party.\n\nJust like the hunter gatherer days, just like nature intended.",
"Impossible's entire business is built on replicating texture as well as the taste. Essentially what they are trying to do is use plant sources to replicate the same elements that make up meat - to the point where Impossible burgers will actually bleed like a real burger.\n\nFor other meats like sausage that are already really heavily processed and seasoned, others are fine, but when it comes to beef Impossible is the best one on the market IMO.",
"Overpopulation is a problem and everybody having a cow adopted for food makes it worse.",
"Vegans are gonna have a field day with this one",
"Cause you care about me",
"I love how they shit all over locally produced. Turns out unethical farming is the most efficienct and Co2 reducing formula.",
"cool, we'll throw you over. saves us the time voting would take.",
"Eh, this, but unironically. Why on earth do people care if cows walk around \"living a full live\" (you know, walking around and chewing on grass... WOW WHAT A LIFE) right up to the point we kill it to eat it's flesh.",
"Eh, just put cows on the smallest possible space and that's it.\n\nWhy on earth do people care if cows get to \"live a full live\" (you know, walking around and chewing on grass... WOW WHAT A LIFE) right up to the point we kill it to eat it's flesh? They are animals and we kill them because we value our taste buds more than their lives.",
"> Impossible's entire business is built on replicating texture as well as the taste.\n\nthey need to try a bit harder then lol it's not really close",
"I get what you're saying here but the thing a lot of people that eat meat don't realize (because it's impossible to know until you've done it) is that once you stop eating meat and wean yourself off the brain addiction, meat alternatives do exactly what you'd want them to. At this point in my life I hardly think about meat and if I ever get a little craving for it the alternatives to the trick. This is coming from a beef 3x a day guy for 30 years.",
"Eating less beef does not mean quitting butter or milk.",
"no, they are still over-emotional despite their choice being firmly rooted in logic\\\n\nidk why they're like this, but they are",
"Right. Look at the little \\*. \"Protein-based plants\" they didn't say but has in the video.\n\nNow, let's also talk about nutrition as a whole and not just \"protein\".\n\nB12, Zinc, Selenium, Iron, Niacin, Vitamin B6.\n\nB12 is important. It's mostly found in animal sourced foods. So you'll have to eat fortified food with B12. etc.\n\n Supplements are not necessarily equal to that of natural foods. Due to how you may react to the supplements, but when you eat a food your body has more than just vitamins, it has a lot more working for it.\n\nIron is another big key one. You have Heme and non-heme. Non heme comes from plants. You absorb less of this. Heme iron is more easily absorbed. You'll need to also, get iron fortified food or combining vitamin c rich foods etc to help with absorption.\n\nAlso, to nitpick the same way you are. They said the best sourced beef is worse than the highest emitting plant based option. (And they say beef is an outlier for being excessive in the emissions)",
"The amount of childishness, closemindedness, and foot-digging of grown-ass adults in this comment section is actually woeful. lol\n\nPeople need to stop feeling threated by facts and education.",
">unethical farming is the most efficienct and Co2 reducing formula\n\nOr how about not breeding, feeding, and eating so many cows? The video is pretty clear that either unethical factory farmed beef or \"ethical\" grass fed beef pales in comparison to eating crops directly.\n\nWeird that someone who calls themselves the salad bar let that point slide past.",
"Thanks for the tl;dw",
"They are not *forced*. They would be merely responding to market forces. So, if you are a meat lover, it means maybe cutting back on some other activity. Otherwise, meat is simply an item with a cost and consumers decide what is right for them. That's all consumers are doing right now, today – except they don't see the true cost, because they pay it in taxes and other oblique ways as subsidies, etc.",
"not at all the same argument as the one I was making/heavy strawman. it's not that it's better for those animals so much as it's a net positive for humans vs a net zero for what amounts to a commercial commodity. it's like feeling bad for corn when it's shucked from the field or garbage when you throw it away: you are feeling bad about the object performing the function it is meant to perform",
"Ooga booga I'm vegan\n\nI love not killing sentient beings for hedonistic purpose, it's so unharmful to not eat animals. \n\nEdit: Did I mention I was a *big, mean scary* vegan yet? Cause I am.",
"my argument wasn't about it's sustainability or healthiness (neither of which are factors to poor people) so much as adding to why the conversation isn't simply about emotion vs cost money/time wise. the onus isn't really on me to prove my point because as it stands there already are hundreds of thousands of the aforementioned fast food places around the country doing what I said they are doing compared to your argument which is a proposed solution (ie the grass is already green i dont have to argue that it's green, it's your sides job to convince me why it'd be better blue)",
"From a [previous comment:](https://www.reddit.com/r/environment/comments/nk838f/Germany_Sees_Meat_Production_Drop_As_Demand_For_Plant-Based_Alternatives_Skyrockets/gzd0w9m/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)\n\nHopefully we continue to see meat consumption decline around the world. Animal agriculture is an environmental catastrophe that is going largely unaddressed, or at least significantly under-addressed.\n\nThe Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations (UN FAO) estimates that animal agriculture is responsible for approximately 14.5 percent of anthropogenic GHG emissions (in CO2 equivalent).[\\[1\\]](http://www.fao.org/3/i3437e/i3437e00.htm) Other estimates suggest that animal agriculture could account for as much as 51 percent of all anthropogenic GHG emissions.[\\[2\\]](https://doi.org/10.1111/gcb.12454) Whatever the case, it is certain that animal agriculture is responsible for a significant share of our GHG emissions and reduction in this area is critical to reducing the effects of climate change.\n\nBeyond GHG emissions, a 2018 meta-analysis in *Science* attempted to find the larger environmental cost of animal agriculture. This study's data set covered approximately 38,700 farms from 119 countries and over 40 products which accounted for approximately 90 percent of global protein and calorie consumption. The study concluded that:\n\n>Moving from current diets to a diet that excludes animal products...has transformative potential, reducing food’s land use by 3.1 (2.8 to 3.3) billion ha (a 76% reduction), including a 19% reduction in arable land; food’s GHG emissions by 6.6 (5.5 to 7.4) billion metric tons of CO2eq (a 49% reduction); acidification by 50% (45 to 54%); eutrophication by 49% (37 to 56%); and scarcity-weighted freshwater withdrawals by 19% (−5 to 32%) for a 2010 reference year.\n\nAnd:\n\n>We consider a second scenario where consumption of each animal product is halved by replacing production with above-median GHG emissions with vegetable equivalents. This achieves 71% of the previous scenario’s GHG reduction (a reduction of \\~10.4 billion metric tons of CO2eq per year, including atmospheric CO2 removal by regrowing vegetation) and 67, 64, and 55% of the land use, acidification, and eutrophication reductions.[\\[3\\]](https://science.sciencemag.org/content/360/6392/987)\n\nThe results of this study prompted the lead researcher to remark that:\n\n>A vegan diet is probably the single biggest way to reduce your impact on planet Earth, not just greenhouse gases, but global acidification, eutrophication, land use and water use.[\\[4\\]](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding-meat-and-dairy-is-single-biggest-way-to-reduce-your-impact-on-earth)\n\nThe study also found that beef was by far the most environmentally intense animal food product, in alignment with other studies.[\\[5\\]](https://doi.org/10.1073/pnas.1402183111)\n\nA 2010 report by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) stated that:\n\n>Impacts from agriculture are expected to increase substantially due to population growth, increasing consumption of animal products. Unlike fossil fuels, it is difficult to look for alternatives: people have to eat. A substantial reduction of impacts would only be possible with a substantial worldwide diet change, away from animal products.[\\[6\\]](https://wedocs.unep.org/handle/20.500.11822/8501)\n\nDespite the research showing that a significant move away from our current dietary habits (particularly those of developed nations with high meat consumption) is required to combat climate change, the issue regularly receives a rather soft response. We see recommendations to implement one meat-free day per week, through statements from UN officials like Dr. Rajendra Pachauri, chair of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), Meat Free Monday and Meatless Monday campaigns.[\\[7\\]](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2008/sep/07/food.foodanddrink)[\\[8\\]](https://www.meatfreemondays.com/)[\\[9\\]](https://www.mondaycampaigns.org/meatless-monday) Although these are perhaps (in some cases) merely intended as starting points, this undersells the scale of action required. An international commission was assembled, comprised of researchers in human health, agricultural, political, and environmental science to devise dietary guidelines that are optimized to meet human and planetary health requirements. In their report, they determined that in North America, for example, the average person needs to reduce their consumption of red meat by 84%, while Europe needs to cut their consumption of red meat in half.[\\[10\\]](https://doi.org/10.1016/S0140-6736(18)31788-4)\n\nWe need most individuals to drastically cut their meat consumption. While it's important to note that this may not be a possibility for every individual, depending on their living conditions, it is probably safe to assume that this is a reasonable, attainable goal for most people buying their food at a supermarket.\n\nFurthermore, government action is required. Governments provide billions of dollars annually to the animal agriculture industry in the form of subsidies.[\\[11\\]](https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/taxpayers-oblivious-to-the-cost-of-farm-subsidies/article13055078/)[\\[12\\]](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/us-touts-fruit-and-vegetables-while-subsidizing-animals-that-become-meat/2011/08/22/gIQATFG5IL_story.html) Yet our environmental outcomes are still terrible.\n\nWe need people to eat less meat. Much less. We can't be satisfied with one meat-free day a week, or just hoping that lab-grown meat arrives fast enough so we don't need to change our habits. Likely, the required change must be attained through some combination of drastically reducing subsidies for animal agriculture, subsidizing or incentivizing farmers to transition away from animal agriculture, and funding campaigns to encourage and/or incentivize the public to significantly lower their meat consumption. But we need to start making some rather large strides now.\n\n[**References**](https://www.reddit.com/r/environment/comments/nk838f/germany_sees_meat_production_drop_as_demand_for/gzd13ff?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)",
"Yep..fuck letting poor folks eat meat..let them eat cake I guess",
"Oatly is delicious and flat out better than regular whole milk",
">You really aren't doing the cow any favors bringing it into a world of suffering\n\nyou misunderstand my argument if anything it's the opposite; the cow's suffering doesn't really matter anymore than plastic suffers from being thrown away or wheat suffers from being harvested. they are fulfilling the purpose they exist to fulfill, the emotional element is added superfluously by people afterwards. the environmental factor is very real, the caring about how the cow feels is not. everybody 'cares' about how the animal feels but still eat the chicken nuggets they know are ground up chickens",
"I'm sure it will help but why wait?",
"All the trees they cut down just for cows to eat grass on the land, in and around the Amazon rain forest, sure as shit didn’t help the environment.",
"Healthiness, ethics, and sustainability are just part of the comment you're replying to. I also mentioned, twice actually, that vegan options are also affordable and accessible. \n\nIf you don't care about health, you can still save both the time and money you are short on by simply relying instead on high-caloric vegan options which are, again, readily available and much less expensive per-calorie than fast food.\n\nI'm not trying to convince you that grass should be blue. I'm trying to show you *actual facts.* I'm coming with the proof, the burden of which may indeed be on me. But you're ignoring it both specifically and generally. A good defense of your point isn't to ignore mine, and then complain that my side is missing the very thing I *just* provided you with.",
"Agriculture is fundamentally at odds with capitalism, and subsidies are how we 'solve' that (the government subsidizes almost all agriculture, not just beef). The alternative you're suggesting (significantly higher food prices) results in small scale famines, which kill millions of people and tank the economy, further exacerbating the issue.\n\nNot to mention, the agriculture industry has come to rely on these subsidies in order to function, and there's no telling what might happen if you suddenly pulled the rug out from thousands of farmers (nor would any politician be willing to find out).",
"**RIIIIIIBS! Dripping with sauce!**",
"grocery stores in general are pretty damn expensive compared to corner store, fast food, and other general junk food hence why the country has the obesity crisis; it's not that we like being fat a lot of people just simply can't afford to do better (at least one of the major reasons). \n\nkale for example which i know has a lot of nutrients/calories per serving only has about 40 pers serving [and at walmart is ~$4 for a 5 serving bag which is only 200 calories](https://www.walmart.com/ip/Fresh-Kale-Greens-16-oz/20631705) and thats at walmart which usually has food cheaper than less name brand grocery stores in my experience\n\na lot of the arguments in this thread for some reason assume everyone getting their meat is buying it in grocery stores where it IS more expensive than eating vegan, but it's at best an ignorant argument is not intentionally missing the point\n\n**edit:** I found a bag of peas which seem to actually be the most efficient since you can eat an entire bag of offbrand walmart peas for what looks like ~250 calories for under a buck. but then comes in the having to make it part where perhaps people don't want to take the 15-20 mins to make peas when they can just get food in 5 mins at the drive thru. another fine American trait is laziness unfortunately lol",
"This in particular is one of the super weirdest economist/scientist takes I've ever seen on the problem and it seems really prevalent. The only people I've ever seen who made a conscious decision to purchase food because it's more calorie-dense are hardcore body-builders, and even they cross a really short bridge from \"meat is calorie dense\" to \"pre-digested protein gruel is calorie dense\" in the span of a like a week.\n\nPeople eat meat because it's tasty, subsidizing soylent green won't magically make people swear off steak, engineering better tasting soylent green will.",
"As someone who has been the partner that ran out of plain almond milk and tried to use the vanilla for Mac and cheese, here is a tip:\n\nThey make shelf-stable boxes of milk that don't need to be refrigerated. During hurricane season I keep two boxes of each flavor we regularly use (original and chocolate) in case of a storm - they'll get us through three days which is the length of time we went without power during the last one that hit. The rest of the year I keep at least 1 of each in the pantry just in case, and I replace them at my next grocery trip. It's much easier to manage than choking down vanilla-flavored easy mac.\n\nYou can get a wide variety of boxed plant milks these days! I've even seen banana flavored almond milk!",
"This. There's no reason to be puritanical about it. I went full vegetarian for a little over a year for environmental reasons. I really missed meat, so I went back to eating fish a little bit and ultimately started having a handful of meat-based meals per month. Still never eat red meat - though I was never much of a steak fan and I found that I actually prefer bean burgers to ground beef burgers.\n\nA nice benefit is that I feel better about buying really high quality meat or fish because I don't buy it so often. As another poster said, it's much like a birthday cake.",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone_policing",
"It is not the logical choice for the poor working class which is a massive portion of the population. Nothing replaces the price, nutrient density, and satiety of meat.",
"Did youtube softblock Kurzegesagt or something? I am subscribed and have them on all bell button yet they haven't been popping up on my feed at all.",
"Because the technology isn’t ready yet to be fully scalable and replace conventional meat at this time.",
"Unsweetened soymilk is still the best IMO, mainly because it has more fat than any of the others.",
"Interesting. I haven't seen those. The banana almond sounds really good. I'll have to look into them.",
"Yeah but that's because we also killed all their natural predators",
"You have no idea how wrong you are and you sound ridiculous talking about steak being calorie dense like that's the reason anyone buys it",
"lol I'll save you 12 minutes \n\n\nyes, it is.",
"Why is it so hard to just leave animals the fuck alone. (Rhetorical).",
"In watching the video, it seems the main conclusion was \"Meat is quite bad for the environment. If you want to eat meat, avoid beef. If you have to eat beef, try to eat very little.\" Don't think it was really advocating for strict veganism, which is the only situation in which B12 is even a halfway relevant talking point (plenty of B12 in dairy products, for instance).\n\nRE: Iron. Lol. While you're correct that heme iron is absorbed better, so many foods are so heavily fortified that most people are actually functionally overdosing on iron (even after taking into account absorption differences) just by eating a bowl of corn flakes. It's actually a burgeoning area of research into the effects of iron overload, and it turns out they're quite bad: significantly increasing risk of heart disease, stroke, and potentially accelerating neurodegenerative disorders. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK526131/",
"Thanks for this. I try to keep an even keel but for some reason the whole \"just eat plants to solve all the problems\" thing bugs me. Most people admit that meat production is a small percentage of world wide emissions and yet still insist that reducing meat is a viable way to end climate change, to say nothing of ridiculous claims about the benefits of a vegetarian ir vegan diet. The carbon released by tilling, artificial nitrogen fixation, the prdouction of artificial meats... Yech. I know I won't convert anyone over the internet but it's nice to see at least one other person who sorta thinks like me.",
"Many Americans aren't poor",
"I understand this argument to some extent (food deserts, ideology is a luxury, yadda), but it doesn't add up. The poorest people elsewhere in the world eat mostly plant-based. Just check out Peter Menzel's [Hungry Planet](https://menzelphoto.photoshelter.com/gallery/Hungry-Planet-Family-Food-Portraits/G0000zmgWvU6SiKM/C0000k7JgEHhEq0w) portrait series. Lentils, beans, rice, leafy greens are dirt cheap. It's culture, marketing, education, something else.",
"and your wallet",
"It’s not as bad as burning coal. We are going to have to burn a LOT of coal to power all the electric cars. \n\nOr we could invest in nuclear. It’s a lot safer now than in the past but still has a bad stigma.",
"If beef prices doubled, anybody who voted for whatever legislation was responsible would be rode out of town on a rail .",
"Statistically plenty of Redditors get invited to parties. This is an unfair assessment. /s",
"I’m sorry, but this is BS. There are MANY industries that just wouldn’t survive without government subsidies. Farming is one, or at least farming on the scale the US does it. Rail travel is another, which is the reason why Amtrak is the way it is. Hell, all public transport — no amount of finagling is going to get public transport to the point where quality of service meets the low price that it needs to charge to be of use to anyone. Childcare is another, which is why the US faces such a disaster with it. I suppose if your only interest is moralizing about “the true cost of things”, then sure. But if industries like this which are unavoidably public goods aren’t being subsidized, you’re going to have a non-functional society in a second.",
"Sure. But they were saying \"The best sourced meat\" and not beef. So I stuck to using beef.\nYes, other meats have B12. (B12 in dairy products... so.. dairy cows that turn to beef? I digress) B12 is available in other animal products (Which is why I said.. animal sourced food) But it's also in beef, hence the point.\n\nRE: Iron? Yeah. \"So many foods are heavily fortified\" are they? I have iron deficiency. Crazy.. I also know more people who are iron deficient than not. If you read that article it brings up Iron overload as primary... and secondary sources. \nHereditary is the leading cause and primary source. Secondary is, most commonly through blood transfusion, but can be due to hemolysis or excessive parental and or dietary consumption.\nhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29722188/ Is actually where your article gets that from.\nThey also pay attention to alcohol consumption and obesity. Essentially, yes. If you're sitting around doing fuck all and eating a ton of meat and iron fortified foods? Yeah.. you're at risk. Most people? Not at all. \nAlso regarding the cornflakes. Seems like it's a USA thing. Not the rest of the world. 4.25% of the worlds population isn't \"most people\".\nCanada 4mg/1cup\nhttps://smartlabel.kelloggs.com/en_CA/Product/Index/00064100108196\n\nUSa 12mg/1.5cup (8mg/cup)\nhttps://smartlabel.kelloggs.com/Product/Index/00038000482809\n\nSo yes. Maybe the USA has an Iron problem.. if you're eating breakfast cereals.",
"Your sarcasm is absolutely correct. If you really wanna save the world theres only 1 way to do that and noone wants that because that would mean depopulation of humanity. If cows farting polutes the planet can you imagine what 7 billion people farting does lol",
"Im glad that there are more people that think through things for themselves. Its disheartening to me to see so many people that jump into whats trendy without doing research on what theyre supporting. And im not saying meat farming is good. 95%+ is bad. I just think we need more regenerative farming practices.",
"Milk is putrid.",
"It’s not.",
"Lots of flavour neutral options",
"Yea but it's not directly advocating for the use of eating crops it's just presenting facts. I don't think we can culturally stop eating meat. However I think it's possible to produce meat with significantly lower yields. Once the industry starts getting existential regulations innovation will strive.",
"If you could give up all the other stuff and eat plant based + cheese you'd still be making a huge impact on your carbon footprint!",
"collective problems require collective efforts; the emphasis on individual acts is just a way to make people think they've made a difference.",
"If you care about the environment then one choice is clearly correct. Did you watch the same video I did?",
"No prob. It's not milk, obviously, but it's definitely more of a thick texture. It works fairly decent in cooking as well, so there's that. I'm not a big fan of milk for consumption outside of as an ingredient in a bigger picture sense, but I rarely buy milk except for certain niche applications / meals with guests where they expect milk. I probably buy a grand total of a gallon of milk each year. \n\n\nI hope you can find it in your locale, and you find it enjoyable. If not, I'm sorry, but at least you can say you tried more things. Experience is the joy of life, or some shit. lol",
"Watched this with my students for Health Class today!! Love this channel so much!",
"I mean you accuse me of strawmanning then say this:\n\n>it's like feeling bad for corn when it's shucked from the field or garbage when you throw it away: you are feeling bad about the object performing the function it is meant to perform\n\nWhatever though it's fine we just aren't going to agree",
"Just my two cents about this video: \n\n\nAt 8:56, you really need to read the small text. Over the 77% of soy production is for animal... these come from soy oil production that go into processed foods, biofuel *and cosmetics.* The oil making process generate a lot of waste (\\~80%) which would mostly go to waste if it wasn't given to cattle. Saying boldly that 77% of soy is used on animal feed is close to misinformation. \n\n\nWhen taking into account Co2 or methane emission you shouldn't count what is essentially in a cycle, of those 26% global emission from food, less than the half is actual carbon release, because off-cycle (namely, supply chain and land use change). It's like taking into account rain water when estimating the water print of a crop. \n\n\nTo reforest is a good way to suck that off-cycle carbon that were on-cycle in the first place, but there is no hope for fossil fuel unless we are ready to plant the equivalent in trees from millions of years ago of what we use as fuel today.",
"That word suffer is doing a lot of work.\n\nIs making plastic suffer the same as making a baby human suffer? The plastic doesn't have a nervous system and isn't sentient.\n\nHonestly though you may be proof I'm wrong though because I can't imagine anything with a brain saying something that dumb.",
"Not really commenting on this - I just find your name combination with your comment funny",
"You’ve been on Reddit for 8 hours today.",
"Get rid of farm subsidies and make consumers pay what it actually costs to harvest crops and prep them for market. Lets see how it shakes out then",
"If you want to talk overpopulation then why don't we start with the 70 billion plus land animals we unnecessarily breed into existence, feed, and kill every year? Seems like it's a much better idea to think about that before we start \"depopulating humanity\" whatever that's supposed to mean.",
"and in a bowl of cereal it's fucking crack.\n\ni also love oatmilk lattes",
"I don't feel full and will feel sick without meat. I've had days where I only ate noodles and veggies and I always end up eating waaaaay more those days and still feel hungry.\n\nWhy is everyone trying to judge people here exactly?",
"Up until the 20th century, almost everyone but the very wealthy were familiar with slaughtering and butchering their own meat, if not *birthing and raising* or *hunting* their own meat. The phenomenon of consumers who eat meat but are too squeamish to process it from field to table is remarkably new.",
"The good news is I prefer pork and chicken to beef anyway.",
"#Mondo Burgers! Get your Mondo Burgers over here!!!\n\nThat's you guys with your vegan bullshit that literally tastes like straight salt. So healthy xD",
"You’re so far up your own ass that it’s clear your veganism is just as selfish as my meat eating. \n\nIt makes you feel good to feel superior. That’s not sacrificing for some manufactured morality, it’s selfish pursuit of happiness.",
">I don't think we can culturally stop eating meat\n\nWhy do you think that? Cultures and their values change all the time. Sometimes through ethics, sometimes through necessity. It's like saying \"I don't think we will ever culturally give up using horses for transport\" or \"I don't think we will ever culturally allow women to vote\". What are you talking about? \n\n\n>I think it's possible to produce meat with significantly lower yields.\n\nFarming animals for food by feeding them grown crops will never come close to competing with eating grown crops directly. Unless you think you have found away to circumvent the laws of physics.\n\n>Once the industry starts getting existential regulations innovation will strive.\n\nWhat?",
"Yes - they also ate less meat then we currently do which is my point.",
">cheese\n\nGuess what animal that comes from. Pork/chicken is similar or better in terms of emissions.",
"And grain subsidies and they’ll return to the regenerative farming and ranching.",
"I think the difference here (In my biased opinion of course) is that the amount of subsidy nuclear receives today is entirely disproportionate to the amount of red-tape and regulations placed on the industry. Yes many of those are necessary, but many are superfluous as well... \n\n&#x200B;\n\n$41.6 billion in subsidy for solar and wind between 2005-2015, versus $85 billion from 1948 - 2009 for nuclear (both figures converted to 2007 dollars, keep in mind a dollar in 1950 is worth $11 today) also shows pretty clearly that the solar/wind subsidies of today are much larger than nuclear. Wikipedia shows \\~1% of subsidies currently going to nuclear with 25% going to fossil fuel and 59% going to renewables. I think it is fair for the nuclear industry to complain about lack of subsidies when it seems a new solar/wind subsidy happens every 3-5 years (and when fossil fuels get more than nuclear). \n\n&#x200B;\n\n[https://www.taxpayer.net/energy-natural-resources/nuclear-power-subsidies/](https://www.taxpayer.net/energy-natural-resources/nuclear-power-subsidies/)\n\n&#x200B;\n\n[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy\\_subsidies\\_in\\_the\\_United\\_States#/media/File:2016\\_Energy-Related\\_Tax\\_Preferences.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_subsidies_in_the_United_States#/media/File:2016_Energy-Related_Tax_Preferences.png) \n\n&#x200B;\n\n[https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2018/11/f57/Examination%20of%20Federal%20Financial%20Assistance%20in%20the%20Renewable%20Energy%20Mark](https://www.energy.gov/sites/default/files/2018/11/f57/Examination%20of%20Federal%20Financial%20Assistance%20in%20the%20Renewable%20Energy%20Mark)...\\_1.pdf",
"Correct, the portions were much more reserved. Joe Public of the 1910s made a mutton stew last a week while Joe Public of the 1950s to today eats 60oz of Angus six nights a week and 20 chicken wings on a light Sunday.",
">It's culture, marketing, education, something else.\n\ndefinitely plays a role, although depending on which poorest country we're talking about, I don't expect to find an Arbys just set up in the middle of the Gobi Desert so accessibility and quickness probably plays a role too since time is money",
"Yeah chicken is what I do every day too. I was just wondering how they managed to get that much vegan protein every day.",
"Also a fair point man. Im just saying the blame is not solely meat eating. Actually meat eating is pretty low on the list.\n\nEdit: so do you think its those animals fault that theyre bred by us? Doesnt seem fair to kill them all for our negligence",
"Be prepared to get downvoted like crazy for your opposing oppinions though lol",
"Well it's more so that this country has a lot of poor people and people that live paycheck to paycheck. Something like this would have a real, tangible and negative impact on their quality of life and ability to live in this hellscape we call America. 38 million Americans already deal with food insecurity. It would also wipe out a ton of small businesses while pissing off big business. About 1 in 10 working Americans are employed by the restaurant industry. That's a lot of people that will need to find new jobs.\n\nClimate change is really important and I wouldn't mind being forced to cut back on meat, but this would damage everyone that isn't already a vegan. That's not usually a good policy lever to pull in the short or long term. Now if this were a part of a comprehensive package to support the middle and lower classes that included proper safety nets and guaranteed access to food then go for it. Without fixing some of the other major problems this is the type of policy that creates a true blue depression.",
"Please explain to me how a pipeline and contracts that wouldn't be completed/developed until 10 years in the future affect gas prices today. Are you a time traveler from a future where electric car development stalled in January 2022?",
"Beef is heavily subsidized. Meanwhile, Impossible burgers are made from plants and MORE EXPENSIVE than beef.",
"So the answer is I don't know.\n\nBut seriously, reality is always a lot more nuanced and full of compromises. Redditors really love to make an extreme and impractical solution seem obvious, then claim the rest of the world to be idiots for not following it.",
"So why wait for lab grown meat? You can ditch the meat already.",
"> so do you think its those animals fault that theyre bred by us? Doesnt seem fair to kill them all for our negligence\n\nI'm not sure what you mean here. You understand that we breed farm animals into existence? We either artificially inseminate them or hold them in breeding pens when we want to create more. We have full control over how many animals get produced.\n\nI think you are angling for some sort of hypothetical where everyone turns vegan overnight and we have to kill all the animals. First of all that would never happen. The change would be gradual and we would ramp down supply to match demand. We would breed fewer animals into existence. Secondly even if we were to kill all the farm animals for some weird reason how would that be any worse than what we do now? We kill dozens of billions every year. And we continue to breed them and kill them over and over when we don't need to.\n\nThe simple answer is stop breeding them into existence.",
"Plus you don’t have to think about the horrible world you brought them to. Thank god for abortions",
"The other *other* white meat.",
"THIS",
"Democracy is the goal, not the method. Elections don't work. Sortition on the other hand..",
"You're 24 years old lmao.. If you aren't lying to yourself, you'll realize you don't know shit - and get this - the longer and more experienced you become in your field, the more you come to realize just how much you *don't* know. \n\nBtw just for some continuing education - go look at other large countries (germany/spain/france/etc) they all show the same trend in gas prices, steep dip in early 2020 followed by consistently building to a new, higher peak in present day. The idea that Biden's policies on fracking and pipelines somehow caused this globally is laughable and you'd have to be really clueless about oil, opec, and commodity economics.",
"https://old.reddit.com/r/relationship_advice/comments/qqd5v2/my_24m_gf_22f_is_the_sweetest_and_genuine_lover/",
"> stop eating beef right at this moment will create change right now\n\nIt will, but it's a useless and meaningless amount of change.\n\nVegetarianism solving climate change will work as well as D.A.R.E. solving the drug war. Those people who do it right will be happy and healthy and creating less damage to society. But it isn't enough.",
"lmfao",
"I’m sure the price hike won’t be blamed on communist leftists in govmint, and pro-business pro-subsidies candidates will then get elected and reinstate the subsidies.",
"Starve the stupid fucking rednecks.",
"> It's an entirely different conversation when it comes to USA and Canada in certain areas where vegetables and other crops simply can't grow without massive human intervention. \n\nWhy are you thinking about it turning it into crops? we don't need any more afaik\n\n>We have the same number of ruminants as 1000 years ago in North America and \"returning land to its natural state\" (IE the government buying farmers land and then not allowing development - seems like political suicide) means that instead of cows grazing, deer or bison would likely move into the area and basically not produce any carbon savings. \n\na cow or wild animal that only grazes is carbon negative. but it takes 4-7 times as long to make the same size cow. Time = money, its not something an average person can afford on a daily basis. the \"100% Grass-fed\" label in supermarkets is still fed grain. because Cereal = grass\n\n> how fruit and veg has worse waste, how manure can be used for plant fertilizer etc etc.\n\nwhat if we use food waste and crops waste as a fertilizer. I mean what else can you do with it. what is being done with it atm?",
"They'd need a good use for the money the saved on meat subsidies",
"Would you prefer prune and flax subsidies? Get off my lawn, old man",
"I'd also recommend Textured vegetable protein as a substitute for mince.\n\nShits actually really good. Sometimes ill combine it with lamb or chicken mince to make it go further.",
"Its kind of crazy that in a lot of circumstances, meat is the economical option.",
"Beef tastes best when compared to pork and chicken. Let’s keep it affordable.",
"But mass produce chicken with big breast tastes horrible. Maybe the organic ones with small breast taste good.",
"There are definitely vegans who use the emotional argument - but I like to stick to facts and logic because I feel emotional arguments are more likely to make people shut down and not listen.",
"A collective act is nothing more than the sum of many individual acts. You sound like someone saying they won’t vote because “one vote doesn’t make a difference.”",
"Peas take basically zero time at all. They just need to be heated through which takes just a few minutes in a pan or even a microwave since they are so small. I'm pretty sure frozen peas can still be eaten raw as well. Part of the issue is education and not just time/money. I think a lot of Americans wouldn't really know what to do with a lot of healthy, raw ingredients if they were suddenly the cheapest option.",
"It’s a necessary step, not a solution. But there will be no single solution, so we need to start taking steps.",
"That is the simple answer. We should also stop breeding dogs to however we want them to look regardless of how bad it makes thier health, but we seem to keep doing that as well.\n\nI know we breed cattle to kill and thats probably a bad thing considering how poorly theyre treated and how most of them are force fed grain (which makes them incredibly metabolically unhealthy) just to make them obese. Im saying we give them the open fields they would live in naturally. And yes the cattle we have today are bred to be this way, but we didnt make them in a petri dish. They were bred from a form \"cattle\" that still grazed fields. Thats why allowing them to graze fields the way theyre supposed to will actually help the enviroment tremendously. They eat the grass and fertilize the soil, its why they have 4 stomachs. The stomachs are for grass, not grain.\n\nAnd you seem to have ignored the whole part of my post about how plant farming is worse for the environment by a large margin. Im curious on your thoughts on those points.\n\nIf veganism was ever forced on people, theres a large ammount of people whose health would decline a very noticeable ammount. Probably over 90%. If you read through research papers there are very well done studies to show that meat in the diet is extremely important to human health. It provides nutrients that are not available in vegetables. But you can cut out vegetables and still get all required nutrients and in much more bioavailable forms. These missing nutrients can be supplemented but the body does not react to the supplements in the same way and the nutrient absorption is greatly lowered. I urge you to read some of the studies used to \"prove\" vegetables are healthy and meat in not healthy. They are almost all epidemiology (which was designed to make connections without proving causal) or petri dish studies. And read the whole article. I cant count how many articles ive read that concluded that more vegies should be eaten and when you read the methods and actual data they say they removed data that wasnt what they wanted. Or theyll say that theres no statistical difference, but eat more vegies anyway.\n\nFinally you can look at the history of humans as a species. There were individual groups of homo sapiens that stayed full vegan but they died out and we didnt. This is believed to be because of the development of higher inteligence which began when we started scavenging animal scrap over 2 million years ago (estimated). Then we got smarter and made tools and controlled fire and our brains exploded in size. This was estimated to begin just under 2 million years ago.\n\nThis idea alone should make you wonder what will happen to the inteligence of humanity if meat were removed for multiple generations. Hypothesis would say that it would objectively decrease. I guess we could all play russian roulette and get rid of meat and hope we dont lose brain capacity but im not really willing to do that based on the evidence in front of us.\n\nEdit: also, I dont mean any malice in any of these posts. I did have some sarcasm😅 sorry I was just returning the favor lol. I genuinely enjoy having these conversations and seeing why people believe what they do.",
"Nuclear is subsidized heavily because it is strategically a very important industry even in peacetime. All the major powers (EU, Russia, China, etc.) in the world do exactly the same.",
"TIL we use natural gas in our cars and that the pipeline would have been done by now if it wasn't for Biden. \n\nFacts don't care about your feelings",
"no amount of recycleing is going to have anywhere near the same effect as regulating packaging. Industry spent a lot of money popularizing Recycling to distract people from this to reduce support for said regulation.",
"This is the right take. Vote for people who will pass legislation needed for the big changes and hold them accountable but don't forget to do your part too. Be the change you want to see and all that.",
"A step implies it furthers the goal. This is more like a stepladder 3 feet away from the staircase that we actually need to climb. You can climb the stepladder, and you're moving in the right direction, but it won't actually help you get where you need to go.\n\nThis does not further the necessary measures in any way. We need governments to regulate industry and reallocate funding. Nothing else will solve this. That's what is needed, and individual diets don't help that.",
"You bet your ass we will.",
"You’re 100% right and a pretty basic economics education wrecks any childish notions of markets functioning like a democracy of dollars. It’s nakedly obvious on its face when everyone has a wildly different number of votes and you need those votes to literally survive day to day — anyone who thinks someone on disability is voting for cheap processed food or slums or against more expensive EV’s when buying a 10 year old petrol car is absurd, like everything has fungible substitutes - or that producers are purely responsive and don’t take actions to distort markets themselves like, for an example, an *entire fucking industry* whose job it is to cause information problems (marketing), don’t collude or create artificial entry barriers, network effects, etc…\n\nIt’s like people who say “if everyone just voted 3rd party the duopoly would end overnight”. Yeah, ok, sure in some idealized world where there are not contexts and systemic restraints and incentives. It never happens, and no matter how many people want it, it doesn’t happen for the same kind of structural reasons. Markets aren’t the rarefied, homogenous airy ideals people think they are.\n\nPeople need to latch onto it because it creates the illusion of agency in a society where there is almost no social capacity and all we have is individual actions - so they have to be made to be more than they are. \n\nWhich in itself intensified the myth as a pacifying delusion. Make sure you sort your plastics (before 90% of both get dumped lol).",
"It's called speculation, investment, and futures. \n\nA thing even children know about economics",
"Do the same with any farming. Guess we can just fast more often. Or hunt/gather",
">Did you watch the same video I did?\n\nYes.\n\n>If you care about the environment\n\nThis is what I am talking about. I am not telling you it is a bad choice/argument, it is just that at the bottom of it all is an emotional preference.\n\nAlthough, since you seen to care about the environment (as I do), my diet doesn't have a big carbon footprint (functionally speaking the thing with the highest carbon footprint in my diet is rice.)",
"If you think that gas prices are currently pricing in a pipeline not getting built *10 years* from now then you are a moron.",
"I think you explained it perfectly! Thank you for that, the last sentence really cleared it up for me.",
">It's called speculation, investment, and futures.\n\n>A thing even **children** know about economics",
"> you are a moron.",
"Lab grown milk seems to be very promising I've heard.",
"You dont eat plain pasta/rice/beans/lentils... Usually need some kind of sauce or something extra. \nI am just saying, i can throw piece of meat on pan and while it cooks do the veggies, turn meat to other side and leave kitchen for couple min. Make meal under 10-15min but in reality spending only half of that time cooking. Not even mentioning that i need to wash only 1 pan and cooking board.",
"You need to chill out man, it’s the internet lmao",
"Fair enough. It was at like -4 when I commented.",
"Not sure if a vegan activist is the best source for reliable and unbiased information.",
"I wish school taught me interesting stuff like kurzgesagt does...",
"If everyone who ate farmed meat switched to hunting, a lot of species would go extinct by tomorrow",
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"Here ya go… you can’t even make this up. Here is a story of a mom who comes back from hunting deer and shoots her 6 year old kid. Do you think that would have happened if she hadn’t had the experience of killing an animal first?\n\nhttps://lawandcrime.com/crime/s-c-mom-returned-home-from-hunting-and-allegedly-used-deer-rifle-to-kill-6-year-old-son-on-thanksgiving-wanted-to-send-victim-to-heaven/",
"Doesn't help that the candidates themselves are on death's door when they pass this stuff.",
"From what I hear America's food prices are way lower than compared to Europe. Like meat prices that get complained about here in America would be an absolute steal in Europe. And because its so cheap its pretty much expected to have meat served with every meal as the entree, this goes for both fast food and home cooked meals. So to answer your question, yes, you basically have to go out of your way to avoid meat in America.",
"After the last few Kurzgesagt videos regarding meat/dairy it certainly does feel good that they finally put one out that doesn't beat around the bush.",
"You got this homie.",
"Whether or not it's economically viable for you simply depends on how much money you make and how much food you want to eat.",
"Probably.\n\nEverything is to a certain extent I suppose.\n\nWill it make me go 100% vegan? No.",
"Buying vitamins isn't required, it's simply an option if you don't want to eat a balanced diet, vegan or not.",
"I'd rather they not exist in the first place before \"living a full live\" because I don't value my taste buds more than their lives.",
"Why? Beef production is not necessary, reducing our carbon creation is.",
"> Forests are burned down for many reasons.\n\nFor animal agriculture use in large parts.",
"From what I understand, they're usually inverse. Wealthier regions consume more but reproduce less, and vice verse for impoverished regions. Japan, South Korea, Europe and even China now are feeling the effects of an aging population as their post-industrial economies progress, whilst much of sub-Saharan Africa is currently experiencing a population boom.\n\n[China in total emitted 14,093 MMt of CO2 in 2019, over double that of the US' roughly 6,000 MMt.](https://rhg.com/research/chinas-emissions-surpass-developed-countries/) However, China has about four times the population of the US. When compared per capita, China only produces 10.1 tonnes on average compared to the US' 17.6. \n\n[Kurzgesagt actually made another video on this very concept.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipVxxxqwBQw)",
"Vegan butter is fine.\n\nVegan cheeses have a long way to go.\n\nLab made milk can't be far away can it?",
"Which is better for animals, eating meat and using highways, or not eating meat and using highways? You're argument doesn't make any sense.",
"You can say the same thing about the first video. Luckily they both share their sources so we don't have to go on word alone",
"It's more of the dishonest rhetoric around this whole issue. What people really want is a reduction, but they pay lip service to free markets and have to put on this charade where the beef industry is some sham of a business that's entirely propped up by subsidies, sullying the pristine natural market equilibrium. If they get their way: if the economy improves and people have the money to buy beef (no matter how many idiots ask people to \"grow up\", this is widely attested in developing countries like China) people will start clamouring for taxes on beef.",
"Words have meanings, you can't use socialist to mean, \"uses state power and public wealth to protect ruling class interests.\"",
"There's even simpler solution to all these problems. Make fewer kids.\nMany people could eat meat three meals a day until rest of their lives and still not be able to come even close to same amount of pollution one kid and its offspring would make.",
"Ice cream is already on store shelves!",
"Yes but to some degree putting all of your food production out of business because they can't compete with cheap imports being subsidized by their own governments leaves a teeny bit of a strategic weakness.",
"The problem here is that meat farming requires much greater amounts of plant farming than would be necessary if no one ate meat. 67% of crops grown in the US are used for animal feed. The amount of plants needed to farm if the whole country became vegan would drop, not rise. So, granted, growing crops has its issues too - but if we want to address that, eating less meat is also the solution.",
"It's a joke brah.",
"That sounds like a proper addiction problem. Have you checked with a doctor?",
"This isn’t directly to your point, but I’d like your take because I see it coming up more and more regularly: people arguing that ruminant grazing promotes carbon sequestration and then, from that, suggesting that grazing cattle could be a path towards a net *reduction* in greenhouse emissions. This seems fucking ludicrous to me, but there are a lot of passionate advocates of this idea. Do you have any thoughts?",
"So TLDR is meat is bad while vegan is good but if you still want to eat meat, its better to go for mass produced meat which doesn't give animals a quality of life.",
"I didnt really mean it as such. Its worthwhile to actually watch though!",
"I don't care about climate change bc I will be dead before the worst of it and I don't have kids that will experience it. So whatever",
"The message from the world leaders is clear, they make zero commitment towards fixing climate change (look at all the COPs and the failed Paris Accord). Might as well accept what is coming and prepare for that, if you really want to micromanage your carbon footprint be my guest. Just know that the impact you will make will be utterly insignificant on a global scale.\n\nIf we want to suddenly decide we want to do something about it now after kicking the can for 30 years we will need something super drastic on a global scale.",
"I believe by putting a public election fund, and making private donations cannot exceed a certain amount, then requiring equal time to every candidate on prime time television news. This way make it so you can't find a campaign with your own money.",
"I've managed to almost cut red meat from my diet down to once or twice a month. Though I still eat a ton of chicken so I need to work on that next.",
"No, no it is not.",
"The goal should be to get everyone to eat half as much meat than trying to get half as many people to eat no meat, despite both of these having the same outcome.",
"What are the fossil fuel subsidies? Would dwarf both if it’s anything like Australia",
"The real deal is delicious.\n\nMaybe we just need to address overpopulation instead. Would solve a lot of other problems too. No need to deprive ourselves of real butter.",
"Thats forcing.",
"This is my father. During the beginning of the pandemic he hoarded red meat, spending sometimes a $100 just on beef and then turned around and complained about people hoarding TP and water. I pointed at the pile of meat he bought, then the bill and gave him a look.\n\nBoomers, man. It's always ever been about them. Obviously I don't want him to pass, but I want that generation to go away.",
"You’re right. Your straw man argument does not care about feelings.",
"I lived for a time in Vietnam. Insect-based protein is highly underrated.",
"But that's exactly the point. Boomers now retiring are saying, \"I worked my ass off in a shitty job and now I'm retiring. I *deserve* luxury.",
"I simply comes down to economies of scale. We've created a system where you can buy a cheeseburger at McDonald's which has the nutritional density of plant-based nutrition and half or even a third the cost.",
"I think they meant patties?",
"Brainwashed morons",
"Come to Pennsylvania and \"harvest\" a white tail deer. We have too many because we thought it was okay to kill off their apex predator, the wolf and the coyote.\n\nCoyotes are coming back.",
"It's because the one is a constant yearly output and the other is the *long-term* effect of a very large but in a sense singular action, i.e. it is not really repeatable.",
"Just have chicken every now and again.",
"I would say it is more moralistic considerations than 'feelings'. I am not sure if you can fully equate feelings to morals. But we might be getting into pedantic semantics here.",
"I want to give you the benefit of doubt here.\n\n>That is the simple answer. We should also stop breeding dogs to however we want them to look regardless of how bad it makes thier health, but we seem to keep doing that as well.\n>\n\nI agree we shouldn't be breeding unhealthy animals. I think we shouldn't be breeding dogs like pugs that have inherent health problems. The ones that are alive now we should take good care of but we should stop making more of them.\n\n>I know we breed cattle to kill and thats probably a bad thing considering how poorly theyre treated and how most of them are force fed grain (which makes them incredibly metabolically unhealthy) just to make them obese. Im saying we give them the open fields they would live in naturally. \n\nWe would still be killing them though. Killing them at a fraction of their lifespan. And we don't have enough room on the planet to accommodate the demand for beef with pasture raised cows. Also this doesn't solve the issue here about the environmental damage associated with pasture raised cattle. We would have to clear more natural land for grazing (currently a huge problem in the Amazon) and we would still have the problem of the cows belching methane contributing to GHG. The video explicitly covers this.\n\n> And yes the cattle we have today are bred to be this way, but we didnt make them in a petri dish. They were bred from a form \"cattle\" that still grazed fields. Thats why allowing them to graze fields the way theyre supposed to will actually help the enviroment tremendously. \n\nNo it will not benefit the environment. There are tons of studies out there that back this up, here is a very comprehensive one looking at the full product life cycle of our food:\n\nhttps://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaq0216\n\n\n>They eat the grass and fertilize the soil, its why they have 4 stomachs. The stomachs are for grass, not grain.\n\n>\n>And you seem to have ignored the whole part of my post about how plant farming is worse for the environment by a large margin. Im curious on your thoughts on those points.\n>\n\nCitation needed. Plant farming over animal farming is not worse for the environment. Farming crops to feed to animals then eating the small fraction of energy they manage to convert to flesh is worse for the environment. That's just fundamental thermodynamics. Besides, even pasture raised cattle are fed grain.\n\n>If veganism was ever forced on people, theres a large ammount of people whose health would decline a very noticeable ammount. Probably over 90%. \n\nWhere did you pull this 90% number from? Can you share some research that supports this?\n\n>If you read through research papers there are very well done studies to show that meat in the diet is extremely important to human health. \n\nPlease share these papers.\n\n> It provides nutrients that are not available in vegetables. But you can cut out vegetables and still get all required nutrients and in much more bioavailable forms. These missing nutrients can be supplemented but the body does not react to the supplements in the same way and the nutrient absorption is greatly lowered.\n\nAre you talking about b12? Do you know that farmed animals are supplemented with b12? Why filter your supplements through animals? Cut out the middle man. Can you share where you are getting information on how nutrients are less easily absorbed through vegetables? Early humans acquired b12 through eating vegetation with soil on them. Since we wash our food now (and the food we feed to farmed animals), and heavily grazed/farmed soil cobalt is diminished supplementation is necessary for both us and farmed animals. \n\n> I urge you to read some of the studies used to \"prove\" vegetables are healthy and meat in not healthy. \n\nI urge you to share them.\n\n> They are almost all epidemiology (which was designed to make connections without proving causal) or petri dish studies. And read the whole article. I cant count how many articles ive read that concluded that more vegies should be eaten and when you read the methods and actual data they say they removed data that wasnt what they wanted. Or theyll say that theres no statistical difference, but eat more vegies anyway.\n>\n\nAgain, you keep talking about these studies but not actually sharing any. What are your problems with the methodology of these studies?\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27479196\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19307518\n\nhttp://circ.ahajournals.org/content/early/2017/06/15/CIR.0000000000000510\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2057469?access_num=2057469&link_type=MED&dopt=Abstract\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9006469\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24243555\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/28487287\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19559132\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2743036/pdf/ukmss-27731.pdf\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12433724\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15199546\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11278967/\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19056664\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19308071\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/\n\nhttps://youaretheirvoice.com/pages/the-clear-consensus\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3662288/\n\nhttp://www.cfp.ca/content/63/10/744?etoc\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19562864\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11434797\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20820038\n\nhttps://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/01.cir.0000018905.97677.1f\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4691673/\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3967195/\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4073139/\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4245565/\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4583329/\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4844163/\n\nhttp://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2677007/\n\nhttps://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25352269\n\n>Finally you can look at the history of humans as a species. There were individual groups of homo sapiens that stayed full vegan but they died out and we didnt. This is believed to be because of the development of higher inteligence which began when we started scavenging animal scrap over 2 million years ago (estimated). Then we got smarter and made tools and controlled fire and our brains exploded in size. This was estimated to begin just under 2 million years ago.\n>\n\nActually no, contemporary understanding of evolutionary biology for humans suggests that it was actually cooking combined with starchy vegetables that paved the way for larger brains. The brain is an incredibly glucose hungry organ. Starchy vegetables are a very easily acquired and rich source of glucose.\n\nhttps://www.sydney.edu.au/news-opinion/news/2015/08/10/starchy-carbs--not-a-paleo-diet--advanced-the-human-race.html\n\nhttps://www.pnas.org/content/118/20/e2021655118\n\nhttps://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150806133148.htm\n\nIn fact, analysis of the microbiomes of in the mouths of early humans show a predominantly plant based diet.\n\n>This idea alone should make you wonder what will happen to the inteligence of humanity if meat were removed for multiple generations. \n\nI really am beginning to wonder about the \"inteligence\" of some humans.\n\n> Hypothesis would say that it would objectively decrease. I guess we could all play russian roulette and get rid of meat and hope we dont lose brain capacity but im not really willing to do that based on the evidence in front of us.\n>\n\nWhat evidence? Please show us. Something tells me you don't really understand how evolution works.\n\n\n>Edit: also, I dont mean any malice in any of these posts. I did have some sarcasm😅 sorry I was just returning the favor lol. I genuinely enjoy having these conversations and seeing why people believe what they do.\n\nI don't care how you present it as long as you are presenting accurate information. So far you are just making a series of unsupported claims.",
"Beyond Burger is good. \n\nTastes, smells, cooks, looks, and feels like beef, but it's all veggie. Even has similar protein to a beef patty! Just watch out because the salt content is higher. \n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beyond_Meat",
"There are good reasons though - to reduce your impact towards animal suffering/exploitation. There's a strong ethical argument to giving it up entirely.",
"Even if they are, better than destroying the planet and torturing animals to get.",
"Just go cold tofurkey",
"I think most vegans knew this stuff already",
"\\>B12 is important. It's mostly found in animal sourced foods. So you'll have to eat fortified food with B12. etc\n\nThe animals literally get most of their b12 from supplements.",
"I found it helped a lot to make meals I already really liked, and slowly swapping out the animal products with an alternative. E.g. a ground beef chilli -> a lentil chilli.",
"Yeah, some oat milks are watery and gross - but try a few different ones and you'll find ones that have the right consistency. I found basically all plant based milks disgusting until I tried a nice oat milk.",
"Tried that with cigarettes. People kept paying.",
"You realize those \"subsidies\" are less about the government giving them money and more about them allowing them to graze cattle on government land. It is one of the largest uses of land in the country. It's also very necessary as it is part of the grasslands program in the country needed to prevent a new dustbowl",
"It's not only the killing. It's also the torture the animals go through their whole lives on factory farms.",
"In the past, they also didn't have to keep animals in the same torturous conditions that we do now.",
"bruh no shit, India has a population of 1.3 billion. They literally have a billion more people and they only just eat double the beef Americans do.",
"Overcomplicating or overexplaining things doesn't make the situation complicated. If the answer was \"yes, but...\" or \"in some circumstances\" that would be complicated. This is \"yes, because...\" and then a list addressing ways people can try and reason their way around that. The tension you've addressed was presented to beat out the \"but what about local/humanitarian meat?\" crowd. Answer's still yes. Yes isn't complicated.",
"Not really? The video literally tells us that we can sustain 8 billion people easily if we didn't eat meat.",
"The energy execs that we pay for?",
"lmao why? Nobody is going to buy 5k calories per day of food? They would go out of bussiness",
"you say that, but every politician knows that doing so would be suicide, because everyone would hate it. people complain when gas is over $3 in the US, yet it's still a damn bargain compared to europe",
"If I find a story of someone buying meat at a supermarket and coming back and killing their child does it negate this?\n\nAlso still doesn't explain why serial killers came to be after butchering was removed from the public eye.",
"Lol no it literally is not.",
"Who votes for these elected leaders?\n\nAmericans can complain all they want, but perhaps they wouldn’t disagree with their elected representatives if they paid a bit more attention come election time…",
"The problem is that’s all been accounted for politically. A big part of the reason for beef subsidies goes back to a scam between ultra-rich land holders & the Department of the Interior & USDA. I would recommend the book *Damming the West.* The scam was that the ultra-rich can buy huge plots of land for cheap, have the DOI use public money to build irrigation canals to their land to increase it’s value, under the guise of growing feedstock for beef. Then turn around and claim glut subsidies and have them pay you *not* to grow the feedstock since it’s not needed. The scam lives on with beef subsidies: they’re not just running an industry as a medium to hustle government money, that industry itself is also a way to monetize holding massive amounts of land, which equates to the political power necessary to facilitate the scam.\n\nBecause they own such a huge percentage of the land in these areas, and because the U.S. political system is built to accommodate this scam under the ruse of “combating the tyranny of the urban over the rural,” it’s politically impossible to do anything about it. These mega-millionaire “Libertarian” government entitlement grifting land holders will *always* get the uneducated rural vote, simply because they wear cowboy hats, shoot guns, and hate libruls.",
"Ignoring morality entirely, from my understanding that conclusion is illogical.\n\nSuddenly killing a significant portion of the global population would shrink the global economy, bringing down the global standard of living. That, as we have established, would result in a reproductive increase as more children are born in worse economic conditions, which would in-turn be increasingly reliant on less complex sources of energy such as non-renewables. This would prolong the global transition to a stabilised population and an energy-efficient economy.\n\nPopulation is not the driving force behind modern ecological shifts as Thomas Malthus once thought. It is but a symptom. It is the relationship between the population and resource production that is critical. As wealth increases, birth rates naturally decline and vice versa, but a shrinking population will be irrelevant if they do not invest into an energy-efficient economy. The most effective population control measure is long-term economic planning.",
"Cultured meat is a pipe dream that will never be able to become affordable for the masses nor economically viable outside of a few niche products for wealthy people. Unfortunately this means the potential is ridiculously low.",
"Why?",
"It’s really all about the method of how it’s grass fed, intensive rotational grazing is far far far less damaging to the point of being good for the environment. Extensive grazing is very bad.",
"Honestly it's not even the beef farmers individually either. They're often renting their property and suffering at every beck and call of the megacorps that own their cows. Much like chicken farms, which often share much of the same owners:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/X9wHzt6gBgI",
"Sounds like they weren’t very thorough in their research. There are huge differences in methods of grazing, some being very bad for the environment, traditional extensive grazing, some being very good, rotational intensive grazing. I can’t stand when people are propagandized too.",
"It's not 'politically impossible', the laws/codes aren't written in stone and can be changed. We just need to motivate people to actually vote for people who pledge to change them. Or maybe people value cheap beef enough not to care, that could happen too. The real hurdle will be selling the idea that more expensive beef is a good thing. Idk how you are gonna convince your average low income voter to prioritize that.",
"Nothing to do with corporate socialism, that one. America did well because it was the only industrualized nation with an intact economy after WW2.",
"WTF brand are you buying? Oat milk and almond milk are thick as fuck.\n\nThen again; I also always found the taste of milk a bit gross, so maybe I'm not the best metric.",
"Earth balance is way cheaper, would advise for everyday cooking.\n\nEverything miyokos is great though. Expensive as fuck, but great.",
"Depends entirely upon the person.\n\nI went from a hunter who made a mean tenderloin to a vegan quite literally overnight. It's just a matter of will and desire.\n\nI've killed and gutted my own meals on more occasions than most. I grew up on venison, elk, moose, grouse, rabbit, duck, etc. One day I just realized I wanted nothing to do with it anymore. Wasn't morally compatible, wasn't good for me, and I no longer had to shut down a part of my brain to get through my food (pretending it was \"meat\" not flesh).\n\nEdit: The only food I miss is soft shell crab sushi. Haven't found a way to satisfy that craving yet. Need to experiment with textures and a deep fryer.",
"> but the chance of that happening is remote at best. Farmers will simply find another commercial use for the land they own.\n\nLike what? A solar farm, GO AHEAD",
"The much more land part I get, but how does it create more waste/runoff/methane?",
"Kids have always been into science/crafts/maker shit, but the huge innovation is that now it's on-demand. I have such vivid memories of coming home for lunch from school, or getting home after school, turning on a great show where people make cool things and... that was it.\n\nThey'd open up saying \"for this we'll need this kind of glue, and this kind of battery, and a 9v DC brushless motor, 14 lollipop sticks, 150 tonnes of Grampian Granite, and\" and it was *pointless*.\n\n\nNow they can see things they want to do, hit \"favourite\", and do it whenever they want!",
"Hey how’s that lab beef progressing? I hear that is eco friendlier? \nI can live without beef but it’s nice to have sometimes and if vegan alternatives can be healthier option but just as good as the real stuff then I would be willing to switch.",
"Buy a beef from a rancher and split it with your family. Its cost effective and you get great meat",
"i am all for eating less beef but it is wrong to tell people to make the individual choice to eat less beef. it is in the hands of the governments to force people to buy the true cost off beef thus lowering the amount people eat.\n\npart of the issue with such things is in part it causes inflation and food prices to go up as people learning new diet choices due to price takes time. so you get complaints about food costing too much rather than just being beef that went up.",
"I wonder how badly this comment section will be brigaded?",
"Sure, but that’s recycling, not eating meat. We know consumer recycling does little to nothing to reduce carbon emissions. If 5% more people started recycling it would have no impact on the amount of disposable packaging produced. But if 5% of people stopped eating meat, that’s 5% less meat produced.",
"If your government stops subsidizing, meat production will simply be transferred to another country. Your government does this because meat from countries like Brazil has a much better quality and lower production cost. If your producers don't have the subsidy, the only thing that will happen is that more people won't have work in your country... People seem to think they have the answer for everything, but the truth is that if it were easy it would have already been done.",
"No plant farming required at all in regenerative practices. The cows eat grass, which is what theyre supposed to eat. We force feed them grains to make them fat and unhealthy, its not how theyre supposed to be eating.",
"It's an incredibly expensive and slow process that requires pharmaceutical-grade equipment, raw materials, facilities and health standards. Despite decades of existing advancement and R&D into fermention by pharmaceutical companies, current producers are at the price point of several thousand dollars per kg of cultured meat. The discoveries necessary to make this viable are likely worth tens of Nobel prizes on their own and would usher in a completely new age of our understanding of biology in a way that steam power and industrialisation transformed our entire societies. \n\nCore challenges include: the growth of multicellular tissues independent of an organism, the growth of cells in high densities without the inter cellular structures that transport nutrients to cells located at the centre, the genetic modification of typically slow-growing animal cells to increase growth levels by several factors, the genetic modification of cells to excrete less toxic catabolites, the genetic modification of cells that can somehow do both of the previous two points (thermodynamics disagrees), the development of non-expensive growth media that isn't reliant on fetal calves from pregnant cows in slaughterhouses, cheap manufacturing/procurement of macronutrients at scale (the current best idea is soy protein which would otherwise be used for livestock anyways), the cost-efficient construction of pharmaceutical-grade equipment such as bioreactors as well as the cost-efficient construction of pharmaceutical-grade facilities which will necessitate a Class 6 or perhaps even 8 cleanroom because the cells no longer have an immune system so a single virus or bacteria will render the batch dead as it multiplies... and the list goes on and on and on. Within every single core challenge includes hundreds if not thousands of relatively small yet simultaneously enormous challenges. These are challenges the pharmaceutical industry has been at for decades yet we're supposed to believe tens of small startups are going to radically change our understanding of biology purely because they've labelled themselves as industry disruptors? The reality is that the cultured meat industry hasn't actually demonstrated any major advances ever and are simply employing existing pharmaceutical research to their own area.",
"Regenerative practices cannot meet (lol) the requirements of current human meat consumption, they require too much land. Even if this was economically possible, it would still require massive reductions in meat consumption.",
"Downvoted for complaining about downvotes.",
"What? No, obviously not? The point is that reducing meat consumption is an easy way to reduce a large amount of emissions.",
"> Hunting culls the strongest in the herd rather than the weakest \n\nwhat?",
"my point is that telling people to eat less meat won't really make a dent, but using a carbon tax to have the price of meat reflect the real long term cost will.",
"Late reply, but if you can find it, or, better yet, keep a couple goats yourself, goats' milk and cheese is pretty nice. \n\nObviously, not everybody can or wants to keep goats, but they are fun, and easier on the environment than cows. I love cows, but they are a lot to feed and care for.",
"If, in your view, human nature is fundamentally self-destructive, how is killing anyone over it at all logical when it would have no effect?",
"Nah got upvoted after I complained like a lil bitch. \n\nReddit works in mysterious ways.",
"In the short term yes, but with the rise of beef consumption in China and India, I don't think this trend is going down any time soon. I try to only eat beef a couple times a month. But it's hard.",
"Until they eventually return to our current level of development, including repeating the industrial build-up that got us here. \n\nIf humans are so fundamentally 'greedy', as you describe, then nothing will stop us seeking industrial convenience if given long enough. If that is the case, then seeking ways to economically adapt for this, even if fruitless, is far more logical than brute suppression that doesn't even work. \n\nSo is humanity doomed by its nature, or will your proposed cull somehow change that? Because they appear contradictory.",
"We eat meat about once a week. Usually chicken but sometimes a steak. Otherwise we are pretty vegetarian or even vegan. Not ethically or cost wise, but we just feel healthier and tbh it makes when we do eat meat it tastes better.",
"If we are talking about animal welfare those two would be pretty much equal. \n\nIf we are talking about the environment, not eating meat is taking a cup of water out of the ocean and thinking you solved sea level rise. \n\nIf it's about feels, then dont eat meat.",
"Also Impossible meat, which I'd rank higher than Beyond if you can get it.",
"> In a bubble, it's basic trophic level ecology. The higher up the food chain you eat, the more resource intensive it is.\n\nIs that really at all true, even just looking at the examples in the video? Both chickens and pigs are omnivores, cows are obligate herbivores. How can one describe cows as being \"higher up the food chain\"?",
"Go vegan",
"> If you **care** about the environment\n\nI don't necessarily disagree, but you've literally just demonstrated that it is not unfeeling logic.",
"Someone tell me if my math is wrong. But he points out opening up 3 billion hectares would suck up about 800 billion in co2 over 100 years. Then goes to say that we create 50 billion or so a year. So if you multiply the 50 by 100 years you get 5 trillion. So opening up the 3 billion hectares wouldnt even cover what we are producing? Is this correct?",
"It's one of those things that proves meat mostly tastes good because of vegan seasonings, sauces, etc.\n\nTVP is weird on its own but absolutely passes for meat in pasta sauce, chili, etc.",
"Thanks, lots of important points you mentioned. Especially with the tightly controlled sterile environment to maintain I could see as a real problem when trying to scale up many times over.\n\nBut I, as much as you are I'm sure, am hopeful of future breakthroughs occurring and improving the viability of the process. Since the idea of procuring real meat from essentially nothing is an IRL cheat code that as you stated would revolutionize the industry and beyond.",
"I'm usually not the one to bring it up.",
"As someone else once put it: \"When hearing that they're running low on pizza at a party, some people eat only one slice, and other will eat 5 slices.\"",
"\"Thousands of years of history\" would disagree. Even your example of the \"Stone Age\" would be too technologically advanced a state, as the ball would get rolling on a renewed Agricultural Revolution which would reopen the gates to urbanism. How is your cull supposed to prevent this basic progression of social and economic development?",
"I was trying to remember what their name was - thanks for reminding me! \n\nI've had Beyond a few times, but never had Impossible. Would love to get my hands on some!",
"😆",
"Do you feel the same way about every country that has elections? How about Cuba? Why is it so hard for you to accept that, in the wealthiest country in the world, the wealthy have control over the economy and government? \n\n\nThe United States has some of the lowest rates of voter turnout among wealthy countries. This is because we don't have a voter holiday, we don't have paid vacation days, we have lots of voter suppression (voter ID laws being the most prominent) and the wealthy control the media.",
"Ooh, lentils in chili sounds good.",
"Food subsidies let poor people eat for less, make farming profitable, and encourages food security.",
"Poor baby has to throw around insults because they don't understand basic math, aww.",
"This idea that everyone can just eat nothing but veggies is honestly retarded. Yes I have and no I'm not addicted. It's literally normal to feel that way without getting the amino acids and proteins. \n\nFucking christ you guys are weird as fuck. Can you be addicted to veggies? No you can't. Makes no sense.\n\nEdit: not to mention how the fuck am I addicted if I CAN go without it as I said I don't get as full. Also if you actually read up on common human health then you'd know that meats are a MAIN food group. No shit some people don't feel good without them. Not everyone is the same.",
"Try to mix different veggies milk, my favorite is oat and coco.",
"That's not a weakness of the party system per say. That's a weakness of Democracy. You're really arguing it's a weakness of people, who in a democracy get to choose who gets voted in. You're arguing that people are too short-term minded and should be ruled over by someone.\n\nThis was actually Plato's argument against Democracy (he thought it was a pretty bad form of governance), which could be ruled by the whims of the mob. We technically have a Republic, which you can argue can be a bit more resilient towards this but not barely - as Representatives can make tough choices while in office even if not popular. Most today think it's the best form of government because it is resilient to dictators and authoritarianism.",
"Kurzgesagt isn't necesarilly a good option in that regard though. A lot of misinformation often, here-say, or assumptions packed in a neat animation. It's more a science-fiction channel at times.",
"I don't think my HOA would be happy with me getting goats but I do like the idea of it haha.",
"The individual is really the person capable of exercising their agency in the situation. Industries don't magically get regulated against if people are voting in their proponents and paying for their products. It's all well and good to be \"against\" something philosophically, but when you support it, literally, financially, that's just going to keep it alive. When individuals remove the profit incentive for the industry, not only does that force the industry to change or cease what they're doing inherently, it also has the added bonus of removing the incentives for lawmakers to continue subsidizing them, and will even eventually start building pressure for them to regulate against them.",
"It don't understand what you mean by that. Throughout the world poorer areas eat less meat. When I was a student with little money I stopped eating meat entirely because it was much cheaper. Beans, rice, grains, potatoes and vegetables are very cheap, even on a per calorie basis.",
"I'm sorry, but you are wrong. Each episode takes thousands of hours of research to complete. If you disagree with the content of the video, chances are you are wrong, not the video.",
"That was probably more due to cost and difficulty and not over the disgust of needing to kill it.\n\nI do agree though that it would have an impact today because a big part of being able to kill and deal with your own meat is going to be harder if you didn't grow up around hunting or slaughtering. People get habituated to things. But at some point if we had people do this it could get normalized and not so disgusting.",
"Right, you are on the team or what?",
"Eating animals and driving on a motorway is not equal to not eating animals and driving on a motorway I'm terms of animal welfare. I will not agree with you on this.",
"Ive been researching this stuff for the past 10 years man. I dont save srticles I read so I dont cite everything I say. If citations are the only way youre gonna believe me, theres no point anyway because youll just find a poorly conducted study that says otherwise.\n\nIdk how to quote stuff from your post like you do mine... but im gonna go through all of these studies.\n\nStudy 1: the only readable portion of this paper is the abstract. Unless you paid to view the whole article and actually read it, there is no way of knowing if this was a study that was well conducted or biased.\n\nStudy 2: this is a study that pulls all of its data from other studies, which is fine. The problem is, if you actually follow the trail of studies, theyre amlost all epidemiology studies. Epidemiology was designed to show connections without showing causation. Its the main issue with all diet research right now. They take these huge studies that dont account for healthy user bias and give reccomendations based on that.\n\nHealthybuser bias is the idea that meat is widely viewed as unhealthy, therefore when people eat a lot of meat they usually dont care about their health as much. This means they smoke more, eat more calories, consume more sugar, and have more sedentary lifestyles. This is never accounted for in these large epidemiology studies that are conducted.\n\nStudy 3: same idea as study 2, it was epidemiology that doesnt account for healthy user bias\n\nStudy 4: Same as 2 and 3\n\nStudy 5: so this one is interesting, they actually mention some clinical trials comparing PUFA and Saturated fat in regards to heart disease. The rest of the data used is all epidemiology.\n\nSo to break down those clinical trials. They were RCT studies, which are used to show causation. But they were not well controlled studies. Some of them are basing this off of the fact they they tought the subjects how to substitute saturate fat with PUFA without even monktoring that they did. The ones that actually monjtor the changes didnt control for where that saturated fat was coming from. Fast food is a serious issue, it has a ton of sugar added and other things that are bad. It doesnt say they werent eating fast food burgers all the time, which is something that needs to be controlled for. Best article so far though, made me deep dive all of the sources.\n\nStudy 6: again, You have to pay to read how the study was conducted. But looking at the abstract, \"significant correlations were found\". Again no causation without further research, most likely because all of this data was taken from epidemiology studies.\n\nStudy 7: all this study is saying is that cholesterol increases with saturated fat consumption. The study is assuming higher cholesterol always equals less health. Its becoming heavily debated that high cholesterol levels alone can cause CVD. The reccomendations have even caught up on this and the limit on cholesterol intake was changed reletively recently. Cholesterol is extremely important for hormone production and regulation in the body.\n\nStudy 8: another pay to read the whole thing study. That said the abstract alone is assuming IGF-1 levels can predict cancer, which is not at all the case. Cancer often has higher levels of IGF-1 because the tumor is infinitely growing, but there is not good evidence that IGF-1 causes cancer.\n\nStudy 9: all of this data is epidemiological and cant show causation. The data in most of these studies does not control for anything besides iron intake. This meta analysis isnt even really focused on meat sources as much as iron in general. So based on this spinach would also be a no no. But like I previously said, it cant show causation.\n\nStudy 10: this study is a bit different. Its talking about cyclooxygenase-2 which is an inflamatory response molecule. Lets assume, as this study does, that the presence of inflamation is a negative thing. This study is done in a lab and is an isolation study. This means the took either saturated fat or unsaturated fat and exposed a cell to it to see how the cell reacted. While this may be important information, it doesnt prove how your body handles these nutrients at all. Human anatomy is incredibly complex and has many more funtions than the petri dish cells used in this study.\n\n(Side note and be honest, did you really read all these or just google \"meat unhealthy, give me studies\" lol)\n\nStudy 11: this study mainly speaks about saturated fat intake and obesity leading to heart disease and increased inflamation. Obesity in any context has these effects. This is not showing proof that saturated fat is the cause as much as obesity itself.\n\nStudy 12: again just saying meat consumption is correlated with obesity. No causation here, I eat more meat than anyone ive ever met and have a bf% of about 10%. For me, at least, meat isnt making me obese.\n\nStudy 13: this study is talking about carbohydrate intake, meat is not mentioned here and I never made any claims about carbohydrates.\n\nStudy 14: this made me download the article and when I did all the pages were blank😅 idk if thats an error on my pc or what but jt happened on my phone too... so Idk what this study is lol. Moving on lol\n\nStudy 15: same exact study you already cited earlier\n\nStudy 16: you have to pay for the full article but based on the abstract it starts red or preserved meats. I cant read how the study was done, but I fully agree that processed meat causes cancer. Just like processed vegetables. Processed food is not good and I would strongly suggest everyone avoid it.\n\nStudy 17: another repeat article man, if this was english comp class youd be losing some serious points for padding your citation section. \n\nStudy 18: another repeat... moving on\n\nStudy 19: another repeat... its becoming painfully clear you didnt even read the titles of these papers\n\nStudy 20: another repeat... Im guessing you didnt expect me to actually read these either lol.\n\nStudy 21: this is literally a website about animal rights. I read through a few of their sources and the ones I clicked were all epidemiology.\n\nStudy 22: repeat again. 3rd time this article was cited and this is literally two citations above it lol. You can just look and see theyre the same link\n\nStudy 23: this article talks about a lot. Most of the articles it cites for the health portion are epidemiology.\n\nAs for the emmisions and climate portion, it is incorrect. According to the epa website; agriculture is 10%, transportation is 29%, electricity is 25%, and industry is 23%. Whose ready to give up cars and electricity to save the planet?\n\nhttps://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions#land-use-and-forestry\n\nStudy 24: This study goes through all of the essential nutrients in vegetables but fails to mention that all of these are available in more bioavailable forms in animal products. For example, vitamin A is found in many vegetables. But its also found in liver in the form retinol, which is much more easily absorbed and utilized by your body.\n\nStudy 25: this one is another epidemiology study. That said it says nowhere that diet was the sole cause for the result. The mention that it was related to diet, smoking, exercise, body weight, and lifestyle. They even throw in hormone therapy. So this isnt showing anything about meat and health. It just says that the group is Adventists.\n\nStudy 26: this study talks about low carb diets. Again I never made any claims about carbohydrates. I believe carbohydrate are important and should be consumed through natural fruits.\n\nStudy 27: this article talks about plant protein having the essential amino acids and how people would get more than the required protien on plant based diets. For some background here, the reccomended daily protein intake is extremely low and was made based off of the ammount of protein required to prevent kwashiorkor (a protein deficiency). These reccomendations dont not take into account what the optimum ammount of protein is for muscle retention, for example. Natural muscle mass is positive correlated (almost 1 to 1) to longevity and overall health. So while you can survive on low protein diets, you wont thrive.\n\nStudy 28: this study is epidemiology looking at meat consumption in the united kingdom. While it cant show causation, here is a quote from the second sentence of the results; \"There was no significant difference in overall (all-cause) mortality between the diet groups\".\n\nStudy 29: this is more epidemiology, but this one is conducted in what may be the worse controlled method ive seen. This study used an online survey system.",
"Study 30: while this isnt a repeat per say, it was used as a citation on a previous article you posted so i already read it. It focuses again on adventists and is an epidemiology study. It in no way shows meat as being unhealthy.\n\nStudy 31: this one is also epidemiology but they did say something interesting. \"Very few studies rigorously evaluate and compare omnivorous, vegetarian and vegan subjects as distinct experimental groups. It is thus difficult to discern whether the health advantages attributed to vegans could be generalized to all vegetarians or even to moderate meat eaters following a healthy diet.\"\n\nStudy 32: another epidemiology that isnt controlling for where the omnivores meat comes from. It doesnt talk about how much of it is fast food or processed meat.\n\nStudy 33: this study uses the oxford cohort. This is a very large and very poorly controlled epidemiology study cohort.\n\nStudy 34: this study looks at people who already have type 2 diabetes. It seeks to show that a vegan diet is better for their blood sugar levels. This is not a bad study at all. In patients with T2D, the blood sugars were slightly better in the vagan group than the \"recommended diabetes diet\" group. This doesnt show that veganism is healthier than eating meat, it shows lower markers in a already diseased person. I would urge you to look at the research of ketogenic diets and diabetes markers. Ketogenic diets beat vegan diets in this aspect.\n\nStudy 35: this study is literally just saying that drinking a lot of milk doesnt help prevent fractures. Idk what this has to do with overall health.\n\n- thats all the diet articles, now to the human history articles\n\nStudy 36: this article uses no citations to show any evidence. Its just people talking about what they believe happened. I will also say that a very significant ammount of the brain is capable of running on ketones (from fat). Some research shows it runs more efficiently this way, though I dont know that I beleive that. I believe we got plenty of carbs from fruit far more so than vegetables. This article also says that they believe it was starches along side meat. So they still say meat played a part.\n\nStudy 37: so this study uses the biofilm and microbiota to try to determine what early humans ate. It shows that we ate carbohydrates, this article says starches but doesnt really explain why it had to be starches. Either way, im not denying that humans ate fruits and vegetables. Im arguing that meat was their main source of nutrients and contributed largely to our increase in intelligence, and this study in no way debates that.\n\nStudy 38: this article is saying that we needed to be eating carbs to fuel our brains and starches would have been available. But fruit also would have been available, as well as other carb sources like honey. Do you think if someone ate a tuber and a fruit that they would eat more tubers? Fruit tastes better for a reason, we are evolved to use it for carbohydrates while spreading the plants seeds for it. A plant doesnt want us to eat its roots, and plants have defense chemicals in place to disuade animals from eating them.\n\nWell thats all the studies.\n\nAnd just as a side note. Your questioning intelligence comment is extremely belittling and just all around childish. If you want to question intelligence, actually read articles you cite and dont repost a bunch of them to make it look like you read a lot lol.",
"The idea that it requires too much land is flawed. You just said 67% of crops are for farm animals. Thats a ton of land being used for crops that can instead be used for regenerative practices that are significantly better for the habitat. And im fine with decreasing meat production, just reduce the processed meats and fast food and that will be a huge reduction right there. Keep selling grass fed and grass finished meat and eliminate the unhealthy meat (processed and fast food) and that alone is going to be a large reduction.\n\nEdit: i literally said the same thing in 2 sentences😂 but im gonna leave it for the sake of being genuine lol",
"I think because it will take 1 tree 100 years to take out 1 tonne of CO2 from the atmosphere.\n\nHowever we generate 1 tonne of CO2 in far less than 1 year. \n\nE.g. Driving around 5,000 miles will generate 1 tonne of CO2.",
"That's fair - I could certainly see that since we're used to a certain amount of meat maybe we would adapt to the level of violence instead of this amount of meat. It's kinda irrelevant regardless because any sort of society wide reduction in meat eating would not happen along this axis it's just something I ponder.\n\n>That was probably more due to cost and difficulty and not over the disgust of needing to kill it.\n\nI guess I would say to this though that these things are all intersected together. It's hard to separate them because the full-scale industrialization of the meat industry solved it all. I'm mostly basing my opinion on this off people I know who grew up on farms who had some of the most realistic opinions on what the life of a farm animal means and were never the most vocal or prolific meat eaters.",
"I also wanted to say that I est exclusively grass fed and grass finished beef. These cattle were never fed grain.\n\nEdit: i forgot to mention about the need for land to do regenerative farming. Another comment said that 67% of crops are for farm animal feed. Thats a ton of extra land that can be used for regenerative farming that will help the environment instead of drain the soil.",
"I would absolutely support that. Some of the people working on something similar are here: [https://wolf-pac.com/](https://wolf-pac.com/)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBut would love to see more support for something like that.",
"Sure, not equal.\n\n1 is not equal to .9999999999999\n\nBut it's pretty much 1.\n\nA good way to think of it is this. If we took every animal that was abused or mistreated for food today around the globe. An equal number of animals will be abused or mistreated within a 5 mile radius of where you are. There is a ton of life all around you, all suffering for industrialization.\n\nDont agree, feeling good for no reason is pretty hard to give up. Hell it's how we get pretty much all extremists. That's the beauty of extremes, it helps you put all the bad a terribleness of the world on other people for being so very awful, while simultaneously assigning all the good to you! Brilliant.\n\nSo you can walk around treating others like garbage. While rationalizing to yourself that you would in fact be completly rational and logical at all times, if it wasnt for the people you have decided are awful, being so terrible. Because hey, once everyone is vegan, then we can start dealing with the real issues.",
"Im not worried about you not feeling full, but the fact that, in your words \"will feel sick\" without meat. Feeling sick when you don't get something in your system is one of the main symptoms of addiction. At a psychological level, you can be addicted to anything, and the withdrawal from it can have physiological effects.",
"I've already said I'm not vegan, so I don't know why you're talking as if I am. Also not sure why you feel like you've been treated like garbage for a fairly normal conversation.\n\nSimple matter of fact is you are the one getting upset about a lifestyle decision other people make for themselves.",
"And you only have to kill an animal to do it! So convenient. An entire life sacrificed to save you a few minutes in the kitchen, now that's a beautiful thing. /s",
"If you want to get into wash time how about factor in beaching and sick days too, eh? It's pretty convenient not having to bleach my countertops twice daily because I'm not slathering them in blood and rotting carcasses.",
" Because they have guns, hunters have their choice of the whole herd. I have never heard of a hunters trying for sick and weak in a herd. No, they want the highest point buck they can find. Healthy and robust.",
"The comparison still doesn't make sense as a graphical representation and it still doesn't explain the lack of labeling.",
"It's not legal or it's not the definition?",
"But we don’t have the land availability to support our rate of meat consumption. It’s also more human labor intensive. So, it might be better for the environment but we’d still need to cut down our use of cattle as food items.",
"Extremists justify their extreme positions to themselves. What would be the point of extremism if it's not to divide people into groups of good and bad. This is basically why we have words like vegan and vegetarian, to divide up into groups. So that we can fight with one another. Are you suggesting it's normal to treat your enemies with dignity and respect?\n\nYou're watching the collapse of systems which took billions of years to develop. Systems which could be maintained, if people had critical thinking skills and weren't so easily driven to extremism.\n\nI also get upset when people make the lifestyle decision for themselves to be communist, or fascist, or wanting to impose religious laws, or really any extremist position. Extremists are bad. I'm an extremist against extremists.\n\nYou really shouldnt have the position that extremists are fine as long as they make that decision for themselves. I wonder how that would have played in a concentration camp.",
"Sorry you're being down voted but I'm with you. It seems every innocent thing we do is considered harmful or evil these days. I'm still going to eat steak and enjoy a nice beefy burger when the urge arises. This comment thread is honestly a bit haunting right now.",
"You can leave a negative carbon footprint no matter your lifestyle by killing a bunch of people :) \n\nBe like Genghis.",
"Wtf are you talking about ? For most meat there isnt even blood on it. And who in their right mind cuts meat on kitchen countertop ? Good rinse with water and some soap is all you need for wooden cutting board. Maybe add a small layer of oil on cutting board so it has a bit longer life span (once every 1-2 months).",
"Systems that took billions of years to develop, like 99% of the modern world is anything like it was 200 years ago. If you don't like upsetting tradition why aren't you arguing for the outlawing of the steam engine?\n\nDo you often find yourself comparing veganism to nazis?",
"Examples?",
">Yet another special interest that went from needing help, to getting help, to expecting help, to making it illegal to not help them.\n\nCapitalism on life support drip. It evolves into feudalism.",
"Slavery is bad for the enslaved.\n\nClimate change is bad for those enduring the negative impacts of it.\n\nI wish neither climate change or slavery were problems.\n\nBut, I’m not willing to research companies’ manufacturing supply chains before buying and I’m not willing to stop eating meat to add my drop to the bucket of climate change.\n\nI am almost everybody else, I just don’t pretend to have some bullshit moral code, since morality is a human construct designed to perpetuate humanity, while any other species’ morality would call humans worthy of extinction.",
"Yup, you've got the strangeness of talking about environmentalism when the real topic is violence against animals. Imagine someone talking about the environmental impacts of concentration camps. It's monstrous.",
"Yeap. Enjoying benefit for being human on earth. \nJust before you take out argument about life being sacred, you can skip that. If aliens would come to earth and would start to harvest humans, I wouldnt blame them. I would swear at them, try to fight against and all that, but I wouldnt judge them. Person/group with biggest stick is in charge, right now we (humans) have the biggest stick so we can do whatever we want.",
"Can ban the animal industry too.",
"yeah, all sorts of small changes like that to dishes I could already make helped me to create a selection of go to meals that were all vegetarian and eventually vegan.",
"Yeah, which is why people are trying to convince everyone to stop eating meat.",
"Oh, it’s alright. It’s fun to use self-important parasitic flesh bags as a soundboard for my nihilism.",
"Terraforming mars for example, dinosaur videos etc",
"Probably not, but I hope we can get enough people to legislate against it.",
"200 years is nothing, we got trees older than that. The modern world still depends entirely on mircrobacteria, insects still pollinate plants, even in the modern world your lungs need oxygen and you body needs calories. It depends what sets you want to examine.\n\nTradition has nothing to do with it. Extremists! No outlawing, education. Educate people that using a steam engine individually will not solve climate change or animal abuse. The fight should be with the train tracks.\n\nExtremists are extremists. What's the difference? Seems exactly the same, just with a different list of enemies.",
"We've got to a point where I can't even tell what you're trying to say, it's quite rambling.",
"Actually, factory meat is a fortified with B12. \nSo meat is b12 fortified",
"Yes, I agree, a 40%-60% reduction seems right from my research. I just can’t stand people making definite statements like ruminant farming inevitably leads to surplus gasses, there are systems that sequester carbon and repair soil, and lead to drought/flooding resistant soil. \nLand use is also complicated, conventional systems dominate the land and remove nature, rotational holistic grazing leaves areas to rest for 60-120 days for which nature has full reign, only for the animals to return for 1 day. These grazing systems also often encourage tree planting in the pastures. \nAlso I completely reject the idea of it being more human intensive, at least when compared to vegan organic agriculture, which is the only sustainable vegan alternative. As someone whose practices both, growing plants without animal inputs sustainably is incredibly work intensive.",
"Yeah, I do recall hearing about Genghis being \"green\".\n\n> Genghis Khan, who established the world's largest contiguous empire between the 13th and 14th centuries, has been branded the 'greenest invader' in history as his murderous invasion actually helped scrub about 700million tonnes of carbon from the atmosphere.",
"Having tried Brave Robot ice cream, I can say it tastes like good ice cream. Here's hoping we can get bottles of that milk soon!",
"Okay, so if I get a big stick and use it to crush and oppress humans for personal gain, that's totally moral and justifed, right? If somebody's in my way I can just kill them to get what I want. Totally normal. \n\n\nLets say I really like human screams. It gives me sensory pleasure. The fact that I want it and my ability to extract it from others makes this act completely justified according to your logic.",
"We’re talking about different forms of raising cattle. I’m not comparing labor involved in raising cattle to vegan organic agriculture, I’m saying it is likely more labor intensive to move cattle to different pastures rather than having them all in one feed lot. You’ll need round up cattle and transport them to different fields, processing facilities, have veterinary care occur in a pasture setting, etc.",
"yes, that's true, but i'm talking about the market for impossible meat or whatever it's being called. i'm willing to admit that i'm selfish and that i love eating meat, but i'm completely willing to give it up for a reasonable substitute. something that's reasonable in price and in nutrition. i'd like to think a lot of people would also agree with that.",
"I see, well yes you are somewhat right, it is more labour intensive, but not by much. The cattle get trained very quick to move to the next paddock. And in many ways it’s easier as since you’re visiting the cows every day you’re able to keep better track of your herds health. Veterinary care is less needed as well and it’s never been a problem to do in the field.",
"It's something that the majority of people have at least a little apprehension doing (whether emotionally with killing or logically with the environment), but there's not enough external pressure (usually in the form of shaming) for them to stop yet. It will eventually get to that point and those who didn't stop, even when they had the evidence, will certainly be denounced by future generations.",
"This is a good question and there are a couple of factors. \n\nFirst, animals aren't locked into tiny crates they can't move in just to be wicked. When any animal moves it burns calories which means it will require more food ultimately get to the weight it needs to reach to be killed at. \n\nSo a cow walking around on a field may seem nicer, but it's going to be eating and digesting a lot more so it will naturally emit more methane during that process. \n\nThey are also eating more fibrous material which will further cause more emissions. On waste/runoff, it's essentially the same thing. They consume more calories overall and produce more waste. \n\nTiming can also be a factor. Because of calories burned moving outside and from the lower calorie dense food it is generally the case that a cow will take longer to reach maturity. So we get the same amount of meat but during that extra time the cow is obviously consuming and emitting methane.",
"At no point of time i said anything about morality. \nYou can beat up people for pleasure and whatever, but be ready for consequences. In modern world you would be caught and jailed/punished. As it should be. Because we as humanity have decided what is ok and what isnt. If we suddenly decide that eating meat isnt okay and can actually enforce it, then sure, I will not eat meat. The only real \"fuck\" you should actually give in life is towards other people. \nLook at past of humanity. People have done maaaaaaany bad things and most of them have gotten scoff free. Sure, we could be judging them by modern human standards, but we both know that dead people really dont care if someone is saying that they did a bad thing when they were alive.",
"You seem angry and you definitely didn't address the rest of my post which directly dealt with pricing with or without Keystone. How convenient to pretend you are an intellectual giant to avoid having to address anything.",
"You should dig a bit deeper into this. Rotation and the 'soil sequestering' ideas can offset but come no where close to actually offsetting the total of the cow and also the offset stops after a few years. There is no method to sustainably raise cattle.",
"Ending the livestock industry isn't perfect but it's good. \n\nLike if we need to reduce emissions by 60% and your plan would at most reduce them by 10% that isn't the enemy of good, you just have a shit plan. \n\nThere isn't a 'good' solution to climate change that has livestock in it so if you are not actively working to end the livestock industry you are against action to solve global warming.",
"That's very sad. Extremism is on the rise and has been for a while now, ignorance being the main driver.\n\nIt's sad we cant have a conversation about it as it pertains to diet. Most people accept that political extremists are not forces for good. I wonder why diet extremists aren't viewed the same.",
"Veganism is hard the way weight loss is hard. It can be tough psychologically to eat less but it isn't actually hard in terms of physical labor or work required. I'll yield that it is mentally hard but there isn't anything physically hard about buying a can of beans instead of meat. \n\nYou don't need some nutrition phd to buy beans and that's basically all there is to it. I can accept 1 in 10,000 people have some unique problem that will make it hard for them to go vegan but the situation is that should encourage the other 99,999 people to make the change because the benefits to the planet still help that last 1 person. Also if the vast majority made the change options would be available so abundantly even that 1 person would have an easy time.",
"A few things. \n\nChickens and pigs today only live off feed crops. Should we stop producing all chickens and pigs?\n\nWould you accept that the overall reduction in meat production would mean most restaurants and grocery stores wouldn't sell meat. You would be happy only having vegan burgers at restaurants?",
"I’ve researched and practiced it for 15 years, I’m not sure I could research this deeper. The plateauing effects are far down the road, and come as the soil Improves from the practices mentioned, we have so much dead soil I don’t think it’s really a concern. I’d look into the work of Walter Jenhe on the water cycle and the work that transpiration from grass does to the methane emitted from ruminating animals. This in tandem with other easy practices of proper digestive supplementation can drastically reduce methane emitted, and methane making it to the atmosphere.\nI’d suggest you look into what it takes to grow vegetables sustainably. I’ve practiced veganic ag and it’s extremely limited in its ability to scale, land use efficiency concerns, and what climate it’s even viable in. Otherwise we will be using current conventional ag to produce vegetables which is destroying our topsoil and polluting our aquifers, 5 yrs ago the UN put us at an avg of 50 harvests left, soil collapse is just as much a concern as climate change.",
"What's the source for those numbers?",
"If all governments in the world paid for birth control and properly educated people about sexual health, including subjects of the environmental cost of new humans, it would at least make a serious impact. There are ethical means, but unfortunately I suspect these are just as difficult as changing people’s eating habits en masse.",
"I grow all my own food, I don’t care what restaurants sell necessarily. I also don’t mind vegan alternatives, I’d rather a sustainable agriculture system. There are sustainable ways to grow crops, I’d prefer those methods practiced. Those methods require ruminant animals for refertilization, it’s called pasture cropping.\nPigs are an animal I struggle with the idea of raising in a farm system ethically.",
">Because we as humanity have decided what is ok and what isnt.\n\nAre you refering to law? So if the law allowed it then murder and rape and all that would be OK? Surely you recognize that there are unjust laws?\n\n>The only real \"fuck\" you should actually give in life is towards other people.\n\nWhat makes humans people, but not nonhuman animals? Are they not individuals? Are they not persons? Define \"person\"",
"It's an argument regularly made in defense of meat that's it's more calorie dense. \nSo some people do \"give a shit\", or at least pretend they do.",
"The commodities market. \n\nSo the wholesale price valuation on the open market. \n\nWhy?",
"Real easy, don't fuck in the front hole, save the world.",
"When in Rome, do as the Romans do. \nEven if murder was allowed not many people would do it. Because other people would murder that person. There are unjust laws, but law is unjust only if people think it is. If everyone voted and agreed (or at least majority) that we all need to wear red shirt on Fridays or would need pay 500$ fine, then law would be just. Slavery was legal, because people accepted that. In modern times we have decided that it isnt acceptable. \nHumans are animals. And definition of person - a human being regarded as individual. Animals can be individuals, but it isnt relevant, because in general we dont care about animals the same way as humans. \nI care about Bobs killer, because if human has killed someone we need to stop and punish this person. Because that person is disturbing our life and disturbing normal processes. We capture that person and punish in a way we have decided beforehand. If random animal attacks people we stop this animal and remove potential animal. \nWe as species are the dominant species on our little planet. We can do whatever we want, but there are consequences for our actions (I can attack random person if i really want, but i will get consequences for my actions. Not even talking about laws, but natural reaction people would have towards me - so lock me up or beat to death). We as species hold 0 responsibility towards anyone else. This is our little playground but when we disturb other people playing, then consequences appear. \nIn WW2 my country got screwed over by Soviet Union then Germans and again Soviet Union for ~50 years. It was unjust at that time by those time standards and especially these time standards. Sadly, most people didnt give a flying fuck, so we managed to \"break free\" from them only after ~50 years. There is no point of preaching about any kind of ideals, justice, ethics if you cannot enforce them. If you want to put other animals on same level as humans, sure, go ahead. But till either most people will not accept such an idea or animals in miracle way get superpowers which will force people to accept such a change, there isnt really any point.",
"Do the same for gas",
"Do you have a link that I can check? \n \nTo see the prices of other countries.",
">Even if murder was allowed not many people would do it. Because other people would murder that person.\n\nThis is a dodge, and doesn't answer the question. \n\n\nIf murder were legal for you *and you alone*, would you do it? Assuming knowledge and full assurance there would be no consequences, would you do it?",
"Sure. Here are some:\n\nhttps://www.tridge.com/intelligences/fresh-beef-meat/price\n\nhttps://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_price_rankings?itemId=121\n\nhttps://www.globalproductprices.com/rankings/beef_price/\n\nI think the last one is historical data, the other two appear to track the index.",
"Depends, but If we are talking about scenario where I continue living as I do now ? No, most likely not. Hard to imagine if someone would piss me off that much I would want to kill him. \nThe only scenarios which I can imagine using this power: \na) Someone offers me enough cash so I can chill rest of my life \nb) Some political figures ? Not talking about the usual cases, but major ones in \"bad\" countries. China, Russia, some African/South American countries where wrong people are at power.",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va-jMGrUFo8",
"So you would kill for personal, selfish reasons? Do you recognize that as problematic at all? \n\n\nThose reasons also aren't really comparable. People kill nonhuman animals for pleasure. Would you kill for pleasure?",
"hahah what",
"Thanks.",
"I do not recognize it as a problem. Because most of the stuff we do is for selfish reasons. Why do we jail people breaking the law ? So they dont do that again. Why we dont want them to do it again ? Because it could happen to us or people we know. \nMost things can be linked back to our own selfish reasons. It could come from monetary gain, pleasure, ego... You can check Max Stirners work tied with Ego. There are some videos in youtube which explains this idea a looot better than I do. \nWould I kill humans for pleasure (as the act of doing that would bring me pleasure) ? No, cannot imagine that (but if we are talking about previous example, where i would be untouchable - maybe/most likely). Same situation for animal ? Again, no (okay, i lied here, i enjoy killing insects who are trying to suck my blood but i would say that most of us are guilty here). But would I kill animals for meat ? Yeah, but would prefer to refrain from that because it is a work, but I had worked in small farm before.",
"I haven’t eaten meat in 27 years.\n\nMy 19 year old nephew and 23 year old niece haven’t eaten meat in their entire lives.\n\nThere’s plenty of ways to get the nutrients you need without destroying the environment and slaughtering animals.",
"*specific* examples? I want to know what's incorrect. Not vaguely the whole thing",
"The point is that a relatively small number of volunteers changing their personal behavior makes no difference.\n\nIt doesn't matter how many people you convince to go vegetarian or quit using drugs. You can't convince everyone, therefore it is not a valid strategy to achieve a solution. It's just a feel-good measure.",
"Capitalism is an economic system where the means of production is owned by a hierarchical private structure almost regardless of distribution method but this is typically markets as regulated by a state. The consequences of WWII had the means of production via this system concentrate in America.",
"Good thing that's not what the fuck happened.",
"That's not capitalism.\n\n[Capitalism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism) is nothing more than private property laws and free trade. The US isn't capitalist because of WW2. It's capitalist because that's the most liberal economic system, and the US is an extremely liberal nation. The US was capitalist economically long before WW2. There is a difference between Capitalism and Corporatism, the distinction is important.\n\nWhere did you hear that definition?",
"Reddit has 430 million active users\n\nWorld population 7.753 billion\n\nFood responsible for 24% global greenhouse gas emissions\n\nIf every single user on Reddit instantly stopped eating completely, that would still be, at most, a 1.5% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions.\n\nWe have to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 50% by 2030 to significantly reduce the risks to society from climate change. (https://earth.stanford.edu/news/roadmap-reducing-greenhouse-gas-emissions-50-percent-2030#:~:text=Stabilizing%20Earth%27s%20temperature%20to%20significantly,carbon%20dioxide%20from%20the%20atmosphere.)\n\nIt's wasting time trying to get a fraction of a percent. It's useless.",
"You should read more accurately as I never said America was capitalist because of WWII. You simply didn't understand what I said as what you've said now is not even a contradiction to what I just told you regarding a definition for capitalism. Please don't be contrarian for zero reason especially if you can't follow what I've said accurately. Additionally, \"free trade\" is almost a worthless phrase that only suggests trade is in place regulated to a standard people believe is \"free.\" It's just propaganda implied on top of the term trade. Capitalism isn't mere trade, basically all systems have trade, so it's really a worthless connotation beyond what private production already implies.",
"I'm having double steak tonight just for you",
"Free trade absolutely has meaning. I'm not being contrarian. Of course all systems have trade. Capitalism is defined by the capacity of the individual to deal their property as they want as set prices as they wish. It's not propaganda. \n\n>Capitalism isn't mere trade, basically all systems have trade, so it's really a worthless connotation beyond what private production already implies.\n\nThat's not what I said. Either way, Private property is by and far the more important concept. Private property is absolutely one of the most important aspects of a liberal society. \n\n>You should read more accurately as I never said America was capitalist because of WWII\n\nUh, you had just said\n\n> After WWII capitalism concentrated in America explicitly as production throughout the entire industrialized world was destroyed besides there\n\nWhich is a massive oversimplification of why the US economy became a power house post WW2. (It had been moving in that direction for a hot minute, our industrialization outpaced the rest of the world before WW2) But either way the implication here is that capitalism was \"concentrated\" in the US. That's not the case. It had always been that way, it's an inherent aspect of our society. You can't concentrate liberal property and trade laws.\n\n>I said as what you've said now is not even a contradiction to what I just told you regarding a definition for capitalism\n\nNo, but it's still an inaccurate definition. Trying to incorporate critical theory concepts (such as it being a \"hierarchical private structure\") into a definition to turn it into something it's not. Capitalism has no inherent or implied hierarchy.",
"> See, that's exactly why can't combat climate change. For every one person that want to actually help, there's another that sees someone wanting to do good, and does the exact opposite because they can.\n\nCongratulations, you are almost starting to understand how your plan could never possibly succeed in the real world!\n\n> So I'm going to continue not eating beef, and you're just going to continue being the reason why we're all going to die sooner rather than later.\n\nOh, nope, guess you don't understand after all. Your plan is fundamentally flawed with a 0% chance of success. Doesn't bother you! You will just blame someone else because your plan's primary benefit is that it makes you feel superior.\n\nNevermind the fact that your pro-vegetarian campaign diverts attention and resources from any measures that might actually make a meaningful difference.",
">but if we are talking about previous example, where i would be untouchable - maybe/most likely \n\nI'll take this concession. You clearly have no grounds to be telling people what's right or wrong. Please refrain from ever exposing anyone to your ideology without this disclaimer.",
">Capitalism is defined by the capacity of the individual to deal their property as they want as set prices as they wish.\n\nThat was the same in any barter system or even feudalism. There are even meaningful implementations of socialism where they would be fine with this as their concern isn't over the concept of private property but the imbalance in power over production.\n\nI can't believe you reread what I said only to fail again. Please, I beg of you, I don't want a worthless conversation where I tell you how to read. I literally said:\n\n>After WWII capitalism concentrated in America explicitly as production throughout the entire industrialized world was destroyed besides there. America was always capitalist though.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>No, but it's still an inaccurate definition. Trying to incorporate critical theory concepts (such as it being a \"hierarchical private structure\") into a definition to turn it into something it's not. Capitalism has no inherent or implied hierarchy.\n\nMarkets inherently promote inequality. Privatization of production inherently promotes inequality. Variance in human productivity inherently promotes inequality. Industrial growth promoted by greater feats in automation under private ownership as understood after the industrial revolution inherently promotes inequality.\n\nThe paragraph proceeding this was just a mere misunderstanding on your part where you believe I disagree that America was always capitalistic. I merely stated capitalism concentrated in America via that privatized means of production being concentrated in America rather than anywhere else in the world. You literally agree with me but you're too headstrong in your definition of mere law conceptualizing capitalism rather than its consequences to acknowledge that. Well, not really, you believe capitalisms is the mere existence of private property law which is such a reductive definition it's just wrong. It's hierarchical private property as it relates to production which makes capitalism distinguished over other systems. Not the mere concept of property law.",
"> Please, I beg of you, I don't want a worthless conversation where I tell you how to read. I literally said\n\nThat's funny, considering it's pretty obvious you're ESL, or you're intentionally misinterpreting what I said.\n\nListen mate, Im not in the mood to be insulted and lectured by some random internet person. If you want to have a conversation, that's fine. But so far it seems like you're more interested in lecturing me rather than consider what I'm saying. \n\nYou stated that \"capitalism\" or \"production\" centered in the US post ww2 because the rest of the worlds industry was destroyed. I'm saying that the US was an industrial powerhouse prior too that, because it was. \n\n>That was the same in a barter system or even feudalism.\n\nSure. I never said it wasn't. Some people try and push an alternative that rejects that ideal, though.\n\n>There are even meaningful implementations of socialism where they would be fine with this as their concern isn't over the concept of private property but the imbalance in power over production.\n\nIt literally goes against the primary function of socialism, state control of industry, but ok. What modern socialist government meaningfully operates this way?\n\n>Markets inherently promote inequality. Privatization of production inherently promotes inequality. Variance in human productivity inherently promotes inequality. Industrial growth under private ownership as understood after the industrial revolution inherently promotes inequality.\n\nWe weren't talking about inequality. But sure. I don't disagree with any of that. What socialist state has successfully ended inequality? What socialist state has done a better job of dealing with inequality? Proofs in the pudding, we have nearly a century of declining poverty in the west.\n\n>definition of mere law conceptualizing capitalism rather than its consequences to acknowledge that.\n\nOh I am fully willing to address the consequences of capitalism. What I'm not willing to do is change the meaning of things to suit an ideological argument. You're defining capitalism through a critical theory lens. That's not what it is.\n\n>Well, not really, you believe capitalisms is the mere existence of private property law which is such a reductive definition it's just wrong.\n\n[Accurately](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/c/capitalism.asp) describing [something](https://www.britannica.com/topic/capitalism) is not reductive. \n\n>It's hierarchical private property as it relates to production which makes capitalism distinguished over other systems. Not the mere concept of property law.\n\nCapitalism has no inherent aspects of hierarchy, that's a misnomer. You're thinking of Corporatism.",
"Yeah. And vegans have used the exact same arguments.",
">It literally goes against the primary function of socialism, state control of industry, but ok. What modern socialist government meaningfully operates this way?\n\nYou don't know what socialism is. North Korea calls itself a democracy. That doesn't mean it's a democracy. China is lead by a communist party. That doesn't mean China is communist. These terms have meaning beyond propaganda. Socialism doesn't literally mean \"state control of industry.\" What you said is simply incorrect. It's actually possible to have state driven capitalism too. You just don't know what capitalism means either. \"State control of industry\" is completely compatible with feudalism too.\n\n>We weren't talking about inequality. But sure. I don't disagree with any of that. What socialist state has successfully ended inequality? What socialist state has done a better job of dealing with inequality? Proofs in the pudding, we have nearly a century of declining poverty in the west.\n\nSocialism has not been successful in its implementation but the premise of socialism is democratic ownership of production regardless of distribution. If you want to study said nations that claimed they were socialist it's up to you to determine how accurate that was based on the term versus mere propaganda. Was the USSR democratic? Is China democratic? Was Yugoslavia? Cuba? What about Vietnam? Did workers own their own workplaces as the dominant means of economics ultimately? That's up to you to decide if they meet any reasonable definition for socialism, and no the definition of state control of the economy is not socialism. That definition is reductive to the point of uselessness as that can literally be an aristocracy or dictatorship - neither of which are implied and rather contradictions to what socialism requires. If you rely on my interpretation or other propaganda you've consumed rather than understand what political terms mean at a higher level along with facts for said countries, especially along with what regulation is necessary for that vision, you can think for yourself regarding questions like this. Right now, you don't even know what these political terms mean regarding what distinguishes one from another.\n\n>Oh I am fully willing to address the consequences of capitalism. What I'm not willing to do is change the meaning of things to suit an ideological argument. You're defining capitalism through a critical theory lens. That's not what it is.\n\nI define capitalism relative to other systems in how capitalism is unique vs them. I know how capitalism is different from feudalism and socialism because I have a strong foundation towards what each system wants in economic regulation.\n\n>Capitalism has no inherent aspects of hierarchy, that's a misnomer. You're thinking of Corporatism.\n\nThis is the same thing. You really didn't distinguish anything. I was only talking about hierarchical power earlier. I wasn't even talking about corruption as that's usually insinuated with Corporatism but if you want to talk about that we can as it's essentially the same. Corruption can happen to ANY political system and capitalism begs for it. The system is always advocating for plutocracy because the imbalance in power essentially always increases economically.",
"> North Korea calls itself a democracy. That doesn't mean it's a democracy. \n\nWhen did I imply anything that resembles thinking that how nations present is an accurate representation of its governance? \n\n>Socialism doesn't literally mean \"state control of industry.\"\n\n You can argue semantics of state control relative to common control but it's a stable aspect, and every single implementation of socialist doctrine is accompanied by expropriation of industry. \n\nIt's legitimately nuts that you think these normative definitions are propaganda. \n\n\"In a purely socialist system, all legal production and distribution decisions are made by the government, and individuals rely on the state for everything from food to healthcare. The government determines the output and pricing levels of these goods and services. \" [source](https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/socialism.asp) -[source](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism). Basic definitions. \n\n>Socialism has not been successful in its implementation\n\nYep.\n\n> If you want to study said nations that claimed they were socialist it's up to you to determine how accurate that was based on the term versus mere propaganda.\n\nAh, there's that P word again. I get the feeling you're entire viewpoint is \"If its something that I don't want to address or contradicts my specific point of view it's propaganda.\" That must be a rather convenient world view.\n\nBut I'm really tired of the cliche \"I'm the only one who can spot propaganda nobody else is self aware\" shtick. You have a good one.",
">Yes it does. You can argue semantics of state control relative to common control but it's a stable aspect, and every single implementation of socialist doctrine is accompanied by expropriation of industry.\n\nLook up market socialism or perhaps what was done in Yugoslavia if after leaning more if you interpret that to be socialistic to understand this is incorrect.\n\nYour Merriam-Webster definition is fairly accurate but I don't believe you have the correct comprehension to actually get the details in understanding that definition if you believe that's contradicted anything I've said. The Investopia part you quoted is simply incorrect. We both know that was going to be a bias source though.\n\nI didn't say I'm above propaganda. Nobody is above it but it's important to understand what terms actually mean along with what means of regulation aligns with that ideological vision. If we have a strong understanding of the ideological values that gave rise to both capitalism and socialism found in the enlightenment there's actually more similarities in that foundation than differences where a Marxist would believe socialism follows capitalism due to such values. This may be difficult to understand as I know your understanding of these ideological terms is not strong enough to distinguish when they exist and when they do not along with the fact that socialism barely exists by any accurate interpretation for it today. The best modern example would be worker cooperative dominated industries which don't exist. From a geopolitical perspective lets consider some examples. Chinese people utilize capitalism as their economic system with a clearly dictatorial state over citizens and ultimately the private businesses in that nation which trade throughout the world. America utilizes capitalism with a less dictatorial state that also meaningfully influences the economic system at times via its highly influential regulation. Neither nation suddenly becomes socialist because the state is influential at times. State regulation is completely tangential to what distinguishes the difference between what is capitalism and socialism. The meaningful difference between them exists regarding the power distribution over production ultimately where capitalism has no bounds on the weakest vs the strongest and socialism does via democratic control which can exist either at the workplace or via a state. If you were to talk to a Marxist, they would suggest to you that socialism is derived from capitalism as an economic consequence mostly due to productivity through automation. They see it as an inevitability of shared moral values that ultimately promote this regulation.",
"Chicken is easy to prepare and a lean protein that tastes good. We generally eat 1-2 servings of meat per person a day in my house. It's unusual for either of us to not have *any* meat on a regular day. \n\nMaybe it's just a midwest thing, but we *always* had meat available. Even as Catholics, our meat less Fridays during Lent would involve eating fish because it's okay I guess. \n\nBasically for a lot of people it's easy and what we're used to. \n\nNot excusing any of the behavior, just explaining it.",
"Fiber. Seriously, load up on fiber. You'll feel full as shit. Protein is not as filling.",
"What I thought we were on the same page?",
"Again, at no point i said anything about being right/wrong. No one really can go and take this stance, especially because there really isnt such a thing as right/wrong (good old debate about morality being subjective/objective). \nHumans can do whatever they want as long they dont screw up other humans till they decide to take punish person for his actions. This is tl;dr version of how i see things. It doesnt follow any \"higher\" meaning, it doesnt stroke justice \"ego\" some people like to do, but it works very well in real world. Would say this works a lot better than some holy texts which are sexist/racist at their core. \nEither way, thanks for convo (assume it will end from your side, if not will continue). Will remind you thay there exists jobs where person is allowed to kill (army, police, jail where death penalty is allowed, doctors), so what i said isn't anything out of the world.",
"It's important to place our hope in genuinely hopeful science rather than leading science with hope itself. If you want to put hope in something within the industry that seems plausible, \"lab grown\" milk might seem more appropriate. Not entirely sure on it's economic viability but my immediate thought would be that it has a lot of similarities to alcohol fermentation so seems a lot more feasible and reasonable. Because a lot of cattle herds are dairy herds, this seems like the best avenue for lab grown products to reduce our GHG emissions in the agricultural sector whilst allowing us to still indulge ourselves in the products we love.",
"It’s not the definition of oligarchy",
">there exists jobs where person is allowed to kill (\\[...\\] doctors\n\nwtf what doctors are going around killing people? Are you talking about euthanasia?",
"Euthanasia, execution (if remember correctly in some places doctors are the ones doing injections on death row), removing people from life support devices (in cases when patient is in coma multiple years), abortion (if you are one of those people who think embryo is a human being). \nSpecific cases, but they exist regardless. So we already show that there are cases when people have decided that killing people is acceptable.",
"Do you entirely misunderstand what you replied to?\n\nThis person isn't saying \"hey, let's subsidize cheese instead of beef! cheese grows on trees!\", do you think that's what they're saying?\n\nAre you talking in bad faith or are you *that* dumb?",
"We don't need 100% of people to be vaccinated to solve the COVID problem, let alone make a meaningful difference.\n\nIn contrast, even if 100% of people become vegetarian, we still haven't solved the climate change problem or made a meaningful difference.\n\n\"The house is on fire, what do we do?\"\n\nCorrect answer: \"Call the fire department\"\n\nWrong answer: \"It's YOUR fault the fire isn't out yet, Carl. We are all standing here throwing cups of water on the fire and you aren't even helping. There's no reason you can't do this AND call the fire department.\"",
"Euthanasia is an act of mercy. Are you seriously comparing euthanasia to a bolt to the head?",
"I am comparing, yes. The idea why person doing it could be different, but it is killing of someone else (look how i am not saying that it is good/bad). The fact thay law in most countries is not supporting it would actually suggest that euthanasia is a bad thing (personally i support idea, but this shows another example where you need support local law/population to make things happen regardless what you think is right/wrong). \nSimilar when you compare traffic accident when person screwed up by accident when sober OR when person got in traffic accident when drunk. Both cases driving the car, both cases accident, but motive and respectfully punishment will differ.",
"You're talking about suicide, right?",
"Meat is just absurdly cheap in the US because of heavy subsidies and low quality of life for the animals",
"Is it just that shit in America? It seems so easy to go meat free in the UK.",
"Nearly everything in the US has meat of dairy in it.",
"It's cheap as hell and everywhere. Even though my wife and I have been trying to cut back on meat for years, I still find myself struggling with this weird American mentality of \"if it doesn't have meat, it's not an entrée, it's a side dish at best\".\n\nAlso I really struggle to stand eating eggs or beans, and that makes everything harder as well.",
"Do you struggle because of allergies or intolerance? or do you think you've just develop a sort of dependency on meat because of its ubiquitous presence in your diet? \n\n\nAnd how much cheaper exactly? Where I live, you can find a Kg of rice, beans, chickpeas, etc. for under 3€, and most basic veggies like bell peppers, onions, carrots, etc can be found for under 2€, while the same amount of chicken meat gets to be 3€ only when it's on sale.",
"I made this comment:\n\n>The structure is extremely tendentious. In manuals, this way of structuring a video is reserved to discrediting another opinion. I wish you were more neutral and provide more sources and arguments. \n> \n>One quick example, reducing all nutrients to protein is a really manipulative and a poor argument, why don't you try with: zinc, anserine, carnosine, carnitine, creatine, vitamin B12, GLA, etc.? Maybe because that would destroy one of the main arguments of this video. \n> \n>The truth is that they want to deprive you of the most important nutrients to mental and reproductive health. Ask yourself why.\n\nIt was deleted in less than a minute.\n\nThese videos are so robust and well researched that they need to delete any single comment with arguments against them.",
"Not much to say I see lol",
"> or do you think you've just develop a sort of dependency on meat because of its ubiquitous presence in your diet?\n\nDefinitely a big part of it, I just never really liked the taste of eggs, or the texture of either eggs or beans.\n\n>And how much cheaper exactly? Where I live, you can find a Kg of rice, beans, chickpeas, etc. for under 3€, and most basic veggies like bell peppers, onions, carrots, etc can be found for under 2€, while the same amount of chicken meat gets to be 3€ only when it's on sale.\n\nYou can pretty regularly find a pound of ground beef for roughly the same price as 2 or 3 bell peppers or a bundle of asparagus. A pound of ground beef for 3 bucks and a box of hamburger helper for 2 gets you dinner for a family of four for five dollars. Adding fresh veggies to that is going to pretty much double the price immediately.",
"I believe you",
"You’re on Reddit, you won’t reproduce.",
"I don’t respect animals though. Animals fuck and die. I appreciate them for their importance to the environment and contribution to nature’s beauty, but unless they are dying for literally nothing, I don’t care about them.",
"You're not \"just suggesting\" it\n\nYou are guilt tripping people and blaming them for climate change over it, even though it's meaningless.",
"projecting",
"> If we really were to actually start limiting our beef consumption on any measurable scale, and make legislating the meat industry a priority, we could cut co2 production by a whopping 24%, that's insane!\n\n24% of GHG emissions come from all food production, not just from meat. To get rid of all 24% every human on the planet would have to stop eating.\n\nIf every human on the planet went vegetarian, that would be a significant reduction down to 9.6% instead of 24%. But right now that's as realistic as, \"we can just move to other planets\".\n\n> But instead we bicker about what the best thing to do is, and ultimately end up making very little change, implementing shaky legislation that gets overturned with the next president, etc etc.\n\nPart of the problem is we don't get actual legislation from Congress, we get Executive Orders which only last as long as the Administration.\n\n> Whatever. I can do anything ya'll need me to do it's my planet too.\n\nI get that, and good on you. But admitting that you don't know the percentages, maybe consider dialing back the rhetoric blaming people who don't do the same things as you for problems they did not cause.",
"I've written letters to every one of my state senators since I turned 18 asking them to do things like regulate the farming industry and remove subsidies. My state has a lot of mining so I also ask for regulations on the mining industry who does a significant amount of damage to the environment which the public must clean up afterwards.\n\nIMO that is much more important. Letting people think they are \"doing their part\" will stop them from doing more. They will go on similarly to how you did, \"Look I don't eat meat, I don't use straws, I drive a Prius, I'm doing my part already.\" But they really are NOT doing their part if they aren't using what little political influence each of us has to push their elected representatives for change at the government level. So I'd rather not give them the false impression that it is their part to change their daily lives. Their part is to push for government intervention.",
"Wait wait how on Earth can you still tell the dislike count?",
"No divide those numbers for population and figure out the percapita.",
"Like what? if people don't consume that meat, they won't have anywhere to sell the food to. Fuck you're a dropkick...",
"Bro the first video is anti-vegan propaganda..",
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"No.",
"Can you explain how this is the best?",
"This is just a tribute, to the greatest and best NFT collection in the world: Crypto Bull Society",
"Ooooh yes",
"Still doesn't answer the question of what makes them so great",
"They empower an entire generation of artists. It let's people support their favourite artists in the most efficient way possible. Everyone wins!",
"Okay, but how?",
"You make art, collector wants to support you, buys it.",
"How is that different than commission?",
"NFT's are a scam, and this video sucks ass."
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"Cool to see Dr. Evil's still doing his thing.",
"Idk if I buy the Arabian Middle Eastern part. It sounds very western in its composition, but using something like the harmonic minor scales to give it spice.",
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"In the words of Bert Kreischer, you never know how weird you are until someone points it out to you.",
"This is fascinating - we take so much of our culture for granted, I love learning about the different everyday practices and habits in other cultures.",
"Interesting stuff. The part about eating bones and how bones are tasty... need to start chewing on those chicken bones and see what happens\n\nHopefully this doesn't sound sexist or worse but I never thought the Chinese language could be \"cute.\" She changed my mind, I loved listening to her even though I didn't understand a word. The way she says \"culture shock\" is very endearing too",
"I'd be curious if there is real hygiene issue with walking around in socks/barefoot in all rooms, and then going to bed. I understand it depends on the cleanliness of the home, I just never really saw the rooms she's talking about as different with regards to the amount of germs in them, but I also keep a pretty clean kitchen and bathroom floor.",
"It's funny how weird ideas about other nations can arise. Their idea that we stop caring for one another on our 18th birthday is strange.\n\nI can see how the hot drinks thing might have arisen. Historically, we purified our water by brewing, the Chinese did so by boiling. I guess the latter led to them drinking plain hot water because it was available. It wasn't the same here and we don't drink plain hot water, their idea that we don't drink any hot drinks is an over-generalisation of that.\n\nInteresting video.",
"*chugs 64oz of Koolaid*",
"I appreciate how she recognizes the differences between her culture without being judgemental about whether or not her own culture is superior. That's hard to do; most people do it without even realizing it when discussing other cultures. She even found things to appreciate about them, which was sweet to see. I didn't know chinese kids were taught to look down on westerners for being cold to their parents, or that westerners only drink cold water.",
"that's because it's not that uncommon to hear people getting kick out on 18ths birthday or leave on their own. that is almost unimaginable in most Asian culture",
"It's called meat by-product, or beef trimmings. In the meat industry it is processed into becomes pink slime with centrifuges and ammonia gas or citric acid then called finely textured beef :)",
"Marrow is also very nutritious",
"But do you think it is unhygienic?",
"If a British person went to China the video would be double in length.",
"Rude! :D",
"Always interesting to see other perspectives on familiar cultures! One thing I'd say is that it's not exactly true that English speakers refer to extended family, only by first name. Often people, especially children, will use the title: \"Uncle John, Cousin Mary, etc.\" However, it is true that we don't use uncle/aunt titles for strangers. And daughters-in-law/sons-in-law don't necessarily call their parents-in-law by their first names. Often they will use \"mom/dad\" for that, too.\n\nThere are a number of other generalizations in this video that aren't really true of everyone in the West, but of course, she's giving her general impressions, which is totally cool.",
"> we don't use uncle/aunt titles for strangers\n\nRelatedly, where I grew up there were a load of Pakistani-background kids, and they literally called any male adult \"uncle\".",
"Fascinating and enjoyed it. Of course, that's not what \"culture shock\" actually means, she's just describing cultural differences that made her uncomfortable or anxious. Not the same thing. Culture shock involves an actual change in mental state - because of vast cultural differences. It's not a minor thing.",
"Damn... I've never thought about walking my dirty loo feet into bed before.",
"Hol up, the Chinese just straight up drink hot water?",
"The things you said are for Americans despite the video clearly stating it's about English people and not Americans",
"Yeah. My grandma was raised in the depression era and she could gnaw a bone with the best of them. Never stopped even when she was pretty well off. In Western cultures our relatively recent prosperity has definitely led to some excesses that would be considered wasteful in most of the world’s population.",
"I never thought the bare feet thing was weird until she mentioned that I go through the kitchen and bathroom in bare feet and then I put them up on my bed.",
"Like the horrific stories of \"tea boys\" in the middle east. Normal in certain areas. Disgusting to the civilized world.",
"It’s typical in Asia to have a boil advisory in hotels for drinking water. But I’ve seen people drink it without boiling without results. If you want to drink cold; there are bottles/jugs of water to purchase for that.",
"They actually have such a video, from the guy's perpective towards China, on their YT channel if you are interested",
"My ex girlfriend is Taiwanese and she shared the exact same opinion. She hated throwing bones away, she would save them up and freeze them, and then boil a soup with them or make some sort of broth for something with them. Honestly, it always was very good, definitely changed my mind a bit about the usage of bones (although we do have certain things we eat here in Austria, like bone marrow that was used for a soup and afterwards is spread on a piece of bread and salted a bit, that she didn't know about :D ).",
"Most of the world does. Ask anyone that works in the food industry, Asian people in general will ask for hot water and most fast food places can’t really serve hot water and we usually get yelled at for it! Not that crazy when you think that the easiest way to clean water is to boil it. Also cold water isn’t always that easy to drink compared to warm/hot water",
"I don’t agree with the slippers thing. Slippers get pretty damn disgusting if worn constantly, both underneath and on the wearer’s feet. Isn’t it cleaner to walk barefoot and then wash your feet while bathing?",
"I thought bathrooms were famously cleaner than kitchens, in general.",
"The miss information she got from school was very interesting. Like about families and such.",
"Ah, well I do eat in mine.",
"Cant say i agree with the feet thing. rather wash my feet when i shower than wear disgusting slippers all the damn time.",
"Regarding her point about Chinese having a separate basket for tissues, rather than flushing it down the toilet after use, can anyone expand? Does she mean tissue paper where you might've blown your nose or dried your hands. Or is she referring to toilet paper where you've wiped yourself? And does she literally mean basket, or more like a bin?",
"Scott's family need to do better lunches!",
"I really enjoyed this video, it was very insightful. I wouldn't say my own culture(Canadian) is the same as the UK but it could be fairly close. \n\nI did not know about the hot water thing, I drink cold water all the time. \n\nI totally prefer to be bare foot or socks, what does she mean by dirty the floor boards, like your feet are dirty or the oils from your skin or the transfer between rooms I wonder? \n\nIt is interesting with the whole random older person being called \"uncle/auntie\" I'm curious if this practice is rooted in them seeing themselves as \"one people\" instead of individuals maybe as an effect of an older culture perhaps or otherwise, however we do refer to people formally/respectfully as Sir or Miss/Mrs in certain scenarios, is that equivalent I wonder.\n\nCurious on her thoughts of how people wait in lines between the two cultures.\n\nWould love to see her do one on Canadian and American cultures.",
"Personally when I want to relax in the winter, I wear moccasins, but with socks too. For the summer I have slip-on shoes which are only ever worn in the house.",
"In my house, I either wear moccasins with socks, or slip-on shoes that are only ever worn indoors.",
"that's a lot of koolaid hurdeehurrr",
"eh. im not gonna put on shoes to go to the bathroom",
"I saw this in Greece at a hostel. Not sure if it was common in athens in general or just in that spot. you had to put all TP in a trashbin. Smelled like poo really bad in there",
"> And daughters-in-law/sons-in-law don't necessarily call their parents-in-law by their first names. Often they will use \"mom/dad\" for that, too.\n\nEnglish people do not do that. Entirely an American thing.",
"I'd just clean my bathroom floor and abstain from passing and shitting onto it",
"in china, you need to carry toilet paper with you if you plan to go to the bathroom in public. Public stalls never have toilet paper. \n\nfences are often lined with broken glass on top, held in by concrete. I assume laws in china absolve owners from liability.\n\nspaghetti sauce is very similar to ketchup and instead of meatballs, it's sliced hotdog.\n\nschool cafeterias serve fish. head on. but it's interesting because it seems much more healthy.",
"Very interesting even if im not from the UK. I also find the tea consumption in UK kinda strange :D",
"I'm English, I've never referred to my uncles or cousins as such.\n\nI used their names if I had to refer to them.\n\nMum might say, for example, \"Give this to your uncle\", but I'd say \"Ron... here, mum said to give this to you\".\n\nLittle kids might do the \"Uncle\" thing as a name but not usually on its own and never for \"cousin\".\n\nI don't call my father-in-law or mother-in-law dad or mum. That's a very, very personal thing if you have a particularly close relationship, maybe, or to be deliberately mocking (in a nice way), but certainly not the norm.\n\nHell, I'm far more likely to refer to someone in work by their job title than I am call my relatives using their relation to me, and usually as a piss-take.",
"Part of the reason is the beliefs around hot and cold qi. Mixing hot and cold things(everything has qi) is bad for your health. Most Chinese people won't have a hot meal with a cold drink for this reason.",
"I don't know about Chinese, but I do it sometimes. Its like a real nice super mild tea. People think I'm weird but you should give it a try (and be open minded)",
"I've spent some time in China, and the whole \"Chinese people don't like to eat cold things\" is *really* hard to adjust to. Every meal is hot and oily (which is delicious but most Westerners aren't used to eating like that every single day). In my experience, you pretty much cannot get a salad (or a sandwich) anywhere. I was there with a band on tour, and on our rider (the list of requests you give to venues for food, drinks, etc.) we asked for fresh vegetables thinking we'd get a typical party platter, but the staff was so confused by the request they literally gave us a head of Chinese cabbage lol.",
"again, those get fuckin disgusting. my feet get washed daily.",
"Fairly confident she means dirty TP into a waste bin. You sometimes see this in US too if the person has a septic tank and/or plumbing issues.",
"White tea is also a pretty popular thing, which is exactly that, very mild tea",
"Yes. It's fucking weird. In fact, everything she said is spot fucking on in my experience. But the hot water one is always just SO bizarre to me. I have a few Chinese friends here in the states that will ask for it when we go out to restaurants. Usually the waiter is used to being asked, but every so often you see that look of \"wait, you want what?\"",
"Depends on how clean you keep your floors indoors. Not as unhygienic as wearing shoes indoors that have been worn outside.",
"Unhygienic is different from a strong dislike",
"The toilet paper you wipe your ass with goes into a trash can and isn't flushed. You will find this all over South America too.",
"I think it's a bit of a misunderstanding of the western style of kids leaving home as the reach adulthood, parents don't stop caring just because the kids achieve independence.",
"That's kinda surprising, there's plenty of cold meals in Chinese cooking, especially in summer where it can get exceedingly hot.",
"And eat more vegetables!",
"Yeah, idk, I've only been in the summertime—the weather was indeed very hot, but so were the meals. Maybe the girl who was leading us around and ordering for us just prefers hot food? Haha.",
"Infrastructure.",
"I think countries like China are used to their quite recent history involving more poverty and therefore more risk of dirt etc. in the home, but in Western countries there's more distance from that and a confidence that every room including kitchen and loo are clean. It's also kind of similar with old poor relatives in the UK having plastic on their hall floor and demanding visitors take off their shoes. Slippers were more common in the past here too, but they're more just associated with comfort nowadays.",
"I typically shower in the morning so wearing socks / sandals are much cleaner for my bed at night when I take my socks off.",
"Asian countries in general. We like our hot water. Sometimes I wake up in the morning, don't really need the caffeine and don't want any bitter tannic tastes so I just drink some warm water, sometimes I add a bit of lemon.\n\nA lot of Korean families keep barley tea at home either cold, or hot for casual drinking rather than water as well.",
"Is one that they can access most of the internet? I guess aside from certain types of porn. :)",
"I love mild steeping tea. I don't really need the caffeine and I drink for taste, so just a light hint of tea leaves is generally good. A good oolong mildly steeped is one of my faaaaavorites.",
"The funny thing for me was not knowing the British tea drinking stereotype. \n\n\"Actually, they do drink hot drinks, just normally with tea in it\" \n\nI'm surprised that Chinese people don't know the tea drinking stereotype. To me it's like not knowing of Wine drinking stereotypes for the French.",
"Well part of it is that in both cultures there are parents that just don't care about their kids at all but in the West they don't feel as much obligation to actually continue taking care of them once they're an adult so you do get cases of kids basically being abandoned at 18, that wouldn't happen very often in China because there is a strong social obligation to care for adult children whereas in the West that's considered relatively optional.",
"My floors are kinda dirty, but I take my socks off before bed. I can see where she's coming from and never consciously think to myself \"my socks are dirty I better take them off\" I just prefer being barefoot in bed and having warm socks on during the day.",
"A lot of western people don't even eat 3 meals a day. It's pretty common to skip either lunch or breakfast (or to eat like a granola bar or something crazy small).\n\nI'd imagine the specific local culture matters too. If you're in a farming village where traditionally people are just doing tons of physical labor all day there is no way you're having a light lunch or skipping a meal. In comparison in an urban center where you might be short on time due to traffic congestion but sitting at a desk all day skipping a meal seems relatively much more appealing.",
"The bathroom one makes a bit of sense actually. I often don't flush with the top down as I should, and if you've ever watched any videos about how much shit spits out of the toilet it can be a bit disturbing. So keeping some rubber crocks in there solely for bathroom use doesn't seem like a bad idea. But I don't think I can be bothered with that kind of a life style change.\n\nThat being said, masking up during quarantine has shown me a little bit of mindful distancing and covering of my face can do for my hygiene (I used to get sick about 3 times a year, and since the pandemic I've been at 0 sicknesses), so maybe a little precaution towards keeping away from fecal residue isn't a bad idea.\n\nHave you heard about people keeping their tooth brushes outside of the bathroom for that very reason?",
"So much sugar.",
"I guess my main question is does the bathroom just smell like feces all the time? \n\n\nIf I couldn't flush toilet paper I'd be buying a bidet and using it extensively.",
"You would think they know because China's entire century of humiliation began because the British loved tea so much and the Chinese wouldn't trade enough of it so the British started flooding the Chinese nation with Indian grown opium",
"Hey China, maybe if you ate lunch at work there wouldn't be so much traffic 🤷♂️",
"Right? Vegetables are such an integral part of a lot of British food. Their plates must be so beige!",
"I'm more shocked she doesn't know about the British loving tea. They literally fought wars with China over it. Although the Chinese did lose so that may not exactly be a focus in Chinese schools.",
"Oh man I forgot about that weird plastic grill stuff my family used to have in their hall.",
"Indeed. And the cultures are changing as we speak. More kids in Asian countries are leaving their homes around college age in big cities, and more kids are staying home in western countries. I think there is a benefit to both life choices, but I think there is a definite value in homes that have 3 generations living together. There is something to be said about how much having kids around can help older people stay mentally fit, and how much kids can learn many more social cues from having grand parents around.",
"I got halfway through the video and found nothing bizarre",
"The Western and East Asian ideas of family are quite different though. Of course it's a misconception that Western parents just stop caring about their kids once they turn 18. But Westerners do see the family unit as the parents+young children. There's an expectation that once the children become adults, they achieve independence, leave their parental family unit, and start thinking about creating their own family unit.\n\nMany East Asian cultures (and other cultures too) have a different concept of the family unit that is much larger. There isn't such a big emphasis on achieving independence, and you don't leave your parental family unit to start a new one when you become an adult. Of course adult children are expected to get a job, but they might still live with their parents and pool finances with them. They might even get married and have kids, all while in their parents' home. You could have multiple generations, aunts/uncles/cousins, all living in the same house, sharing food and pooling finances and resources.\n\nSo for those cultures, western ideas of family that promote independence when you become an adult do seem a bit cold and distant. Your uncle doesn't sell you his old car for cheap when he gets a new one, his old car just becomes a family car anyone can use (or maybe it was all along). You don't go over to grandma's for dinner once a month, you live with her and your aunts/uncles/cousins drop by for dinner three times a week, sometimes unannounced.",
"In Canada we take our shoes off at the doors before walking around, which probably could make indoor floors cleaner than those in countries who wear shoes inside their homes.",
"I'm a little bit more worried about the shit basket than I am some dirty slippers.",
"I have a friend who I go to eat chicken wings with and have a beer(I'm actually from Canada) he leaves lots of meat on the bone. And it actually gets me heated. I said to him wtf is wrong with you eat the fucking meat . In total he will leave a whole chicken wing worth of meat on the plate I cant look at him when he eats.",
"As an Asian American, it’s so jarring to see other kids sass or cuss out their parents",
"I learned more about American culture when I spent a year or two living in South Korea. Hard to know about water when you’re a fish. \n\nI highly recommend to anybody, if you have the chance to live in a culture different from yours, jump at it. You’ll not only learn a ton experiencing a new culture first hand, you’ll learn a ton of what makes up your own.",
"I'm far too busy manically cutting the grass in my studio apartment to watch this video.",
"Different regions have different diets. There definitely are many cold dishes and cold drinks, depending on where you go. \n\nBut yea, salad is not really a thing in China",
"Even as an American, I find this to be quite sad",
"Yeah, that would piss me off. I grew up poor and you didn't really ever waste food in our house.",
"> Entirely an American thing.\n\nI'm american, I've never heard anyone doing that.\n\nIf its a thing then its a regional thing.",
"Seriously asking, is chinese twice as efficient syllables-wise? I watch everything with subtitles and I still couldn't keep up with this girl.\n\nI literally had to stop watching midway because I was getting a headache from how short the subtitles were on screen.",
"Google “fatberg” then.",
"The key is to not throw them away. I keep a bag in my freezer with bones, carcases, vegetable bits from prep, etc. I then make my own stock. If I'm feeling especially ambitious, I roast some of before freezing for extra flavor.",
"That makes sense. I was in Shanghai, Beijing, Chengdu, Guangzhou, Hangzhou, Xi’an, and Shenzhen but only spent like 2-4 days in each city so I barely scratched the surface. Definitely noticed a marked difference in cuisine in Shenzhen, though. Next time I go I’ll be more proactive about seeking out some not-hot meals!",
"there is evidence of this from the construction of the pacific railroad in the 1850s. the chinese crews boiled tea and drank it throughout the day while dysentery ravaged the white crews.\n\n[https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/tcrr-workers-central-union-pacific-railroad/](https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/tcrr-workers-central-union-pacific-railroad/)",
"yes. hot water is a Chinese dama staple",
">Every household has a garden\n\nYeah if only.",
"for anyone else reading, look up \"collectivism\" and \"individualism\" if you want to find out more. Family structures consisting of only immediate relatives with an emphasis on becoming self-supporting are a facet of individualist cultures, while family structures with extended family living together and raising cousins together with an emphasis on interdependence are a facet of collectivist cultures.\n\nthe other side of this that i see confusing some foreigners is that individualist cultures tend to be warmer to more people in general -- whereas collectivist cultures tend to be friendly to people in their in-group only, individualist cultures tend to be friendly to everyone as there is no in-group. also collectivist cultures tend to be more okay with showing sadness in public and individualist cultures tend to be more okay with showing happiness in public -- this is why to individualist cultures collectivist ones can appear cold, while to collectivist cultures individualist ones can appear fake.",
"She seemed to be speaking specifically about \"leafy green vegetables\" I guess like spinach or kale?\n\nWhich, yeah, I don't eat them that much either unless what I'm cooking has it as an ingredient. I certainly wouldn't just add boiled spinach to my dinner as a side dish.",
"That has literally nothing to do with what I said, nor with her video. \nGrow up.",
"wtf are you talking about, the century of humiliation is a huge part of Chinese curriculums. It's an essential part of CCP propaganda/brain washing. All those wars were lost because of a weak state under the end of the Qing dynasty.",
">I'd be curious if there is real hygiene issue with walking around in socks/barefoot in all rooms, and then going to bed. \n\nBrit here. Done this all my life. Am not dead..",
">I didn't know chinese kids were taught to look down on westerners for being cold to their parents\n\nYeah, I thought that was interesting. I also liked her outlook on how we do still appreciate our families a lot, we just express it in different ways. \n\nAlso, I loved how she couldn't do the car wave we do without grinning. \n\nI have some mates from other countries, and they absolutely love that we wave at each other in our cars to say thank you.",
"In lots of countries, the paper you wipe your bum with does not go down the toilet. It goes in a little bin next to the toilet.",
"In a few European countries too. I've recently had to do it in Spain, and Greece.",
"Everywhere closes at 5pm because the work day is over at 5pm.",
">if you plan to go to the bathroom in public\n\nIt is never my plan to do a shit in a public toilet.",
"Yeah, I'm wondering where she's living. Must be somewhere nice in the South East, or just basically anywhere not a city in the North.",
"From what I understand, it's a \"tonal\" language. This is not something I can figure out in my head, the \"tone\" of a word changing it's meaning. \n\nAnecdotally, when going into a Chinese takeaway (UK), I have generally placed my order with a friendly lady / teenager, who then goes into the back and seems to shout bloody murder. Then they come back all friendly and nice.\n\nIf anybody has insight on this, I'd love to know. Are they just translating my order for the chefs, or are they really angry about something?",
"if you think about it, walking around in bathroom where toilet flushes might get sprayed around the floor, is kind of dirty. then you put your feet on the bed/blanket.. kitchen is similar where raw food is processed and particles may fall on the floor to be stepped on \n\nas for the uncle/aunt things, it's for respecting elders and politeness. usually the family name is added after the uncle/aunt the same way with mr, mrs, ms.",
"Yeah, I encountered it for the first time in Portugal, myself.",
"So are you putting your toes in your mouth after walking around in the bathroom?",
"Just don't drink hot water out of the tap. The crud in a hot water tank does not make for high quality water.",
"This is very useful observations for a westerner like myself. You don't often get to see everyday things from a different perspective, you just never question your own culture's habits until you come across another culture. Thanks for sharing.",
"As a European I struggle whenever I see Americans walking around indoors with their outdoor shoes. Feet up on the sofa or in the bed. Here I got a taste of my own medicine by questioning my dependence of using socks indoor.",
"It seems common in Puerto Rico.",
"To many young adults, it definitely feels that way! (And often sets them up for huge debt that lasts a lifetime).",
"Her husband also made a video about his culture shocks living in China. https://youtu.be/BSYkn2GhzRQ",
"> \"flushable\" wipes\n\nI don't know how it's not illegal to advertise those things as flushable when they do so much fucking damage to the sewage systems.",
"Wouldn't this make the bathroom smell like the ninth circle of hell?",
"Where do you wear shoes indoors in homes? Pretty big faux pas everywhere isn't it?",
"It's largely because sewage systems there are old, the pipes are not wide enough / the system is not designed to accommodate toilet paper being flushed.\n\nThere is also the fact many cultures use bidets and then only tissue paper to dry yourself, and the tissues are not to clean yourself with.",
"Or you trek through your day outside with your shoes, including public restrooms, and then come home walking around the house with the same shoes on. 'Murica.",
"People living in the United States wear shoes indoors in homes for some reason.",
"> if you think about it, walking around in bathroom where toilet flushes might get sprayed around the floor, is kind of dirty. then you put your feet on the bed/blanket.. kitchen is similar where raw food is processed and particles may fall on the floor to be stepped on\n\nThose particles and the germs that accompany them are literally everywhere in your house and on your body. One the Mythbusters episodes that really stuck with me was the one about the toothbrush in the bathroom. They found that there was nowhere in your house that you could keep your toothbrush to protect it from the bacteria in feces.\n\nSo it might feel less clean, but it's probably about the same.",
"I worked in a Chinese restaurant for a while, in my experience its normal for them to sound angry when in the kitchen.",
"I imagine this is like washing rice (not to open that can of worms), it's a hold-over from the days when you had to boil water for safety, even if today that's no longer a problem that ingrained itself culturally.",
"same for me in Germany, even though of course German culture is much more Americanized than South Korean culture is.",
"I didn't know this wasn't an American thing until I was 21. I had friends growing up who said it didn't matter, but I always would take my shoes off in other people's houses too out of habit. \n\nWhen I was 21 I found it that it's actually an Asian thing and that's why my family does it.",
"I know some people do this cuz they just don't care, but is that really the standard? I'm canadian, generally america and canada are fairly close in our cultures.",
"This is a relatively modern thing. In the 60s and even 70s if you sassed to your parent (especially in public) you'd get a whooping. Sometimes any adult could give any kid a slap for being rude. If the kid complained to their parents that Mr. Jones or whoever slapped them the parents would slap them again for being rude to Mr. Jones.",
"I've had some mild stomach issues and my doctor suggested that drinking something hot could help relax tense muscle in my esophagus. I didn't feel like chugging coffee or tea all day, so I'd just get a mug of hot water.\n\nI could not believe how many comments and weird looks I got from people ate work who were just incredulous that someone would have a mug of hot water and nothing else.\n\nI don't know why it needs saying, but you're allowed to drink hot water. No one can stop you.",
"I saw a good example the other day. It went something like this:\n\n\"I didn't steal his money\"\n\nDepending on which syllable/word you put the emphasis on, changes the meaning dramatically. \n\nBut this is not tonal. \n\nI am making shit up here, but \"OOoooerr\" in Goblinese may mean one thing but \"oooeRRR\" would mean another drastically different thing.",
"> Would love to see her do one on Canadian and American cultures.\n\n\"And they have a sport called Hockey, there is one team that is very popular called the Toronto Maple Leafs. Even though they have never won the prize cup they have many people who cheer for their loses. Every year the Maple Leaf watchers will say 'they are doing so well this year' or 'this year they may win' but they never have won the major prize and they never will win it. Also there is a place called Tim Hortons on every corner but no one will admit they like the food or drink from there.\"",
"This is my new favorite quote.",
"We just have some slip on shoes for quickly going into the garage or back yard. Only use the nice lace up shoes when actually leaving the house.",
"Well to be fair it wasn't just tea that the Brits were buying. Also Europeans buying tons of Chinese goods goes even further back. The Spanish shipped tons of American silver to China via the Philippines. It'd go back to Mexico, be carried over Mexico and then put on ships to Spain.\n\nAnd then everyone knows about the silk road, aka people in the west wanting to buy Chinese goods. It was even a big problem for the Romans. Too much precious metal was going out to pay for silk and other goods.\n\nTea, silk and fine porcelain are the best known though. That's why fine \"china\" is literally just named after the country, and was one of the most expensive things middle class people would own.",
"I've heard it feels better in the stomach as well (not to me tho, I like water cold)",
"What about googling \"Tiananmen square\"? That must have been pretty shocking.",
"And don’t use the poop knife to make a sandwich",
"You mean like seeing a bear just chomping off the belly of the salmons and throw the remaining parts back into the water?",
"huh?",
"What was funny for me when I lived in Germany was how it different it was for other Americans. I'm from Vermont/New England and it really didn't feel that different. Different yes, but I swear some of the other Americans I knew would complain about stuff and I'd just be confused because that's how it was growing up in Vermont.\n\nAnd then Americans pointing out \"weird\" stuff and me telling that's what it's like in Vermont. Stone curbs? We have them. No central air, and radiant heating? Just like home. Cobblestone? Yeah not new. No one is outwardly super friendly? 100% like home! You live right next to French speaking country? I grew up 30 min from French speaking Quebec. Not many Mexicans/Hispanics/African Americans? Vermont is #2 for least diverse US state. \n\nIt was so interesting for me to learn that parts of the US are WAY more different than my home state than even foreign countries.",
"I think u/Skulltown_Jelly mean the words she used comparing to the content she conveyed. I think she's just a fast talker.",
"Is that how you always respond to spitballing statements that are not made made to sound as facts? In fact you need to look up the word \"may\"? Holy shit dude, chill the fuck out. In the mean time give this girl a call and tell her she was supposed to know these things.\n\nHere, this is how a reasonable adult responds.\n\n> The CCP actually teaches the century of humiliation. It is a part of their curriculum because it teaches how weak the state was under the Qing dynasty. I am not sure why she doesn't know about those wars or perhaps didn't realize tea was an integral part of them.\n\nThere you go, that is how a well adjusted adult responds. Next time try to do your best to respond like that.",
"Wait, I thought you wash rice to wash the starch away.",
"that's true too, but the reason a lot of asian people are grossed out by people not washing their rice is because before it came in industrially-packaged plastic bags, there might have been bugs, dirt, debris, whatever in there, so washing it gave you a chance to sift through it and rinse and pick that stuff out, and that tradition stuck around even after it wasn't hygienically necessary anymore.\n\nBut you are correct, it does also remove the outer starch and make the cooked rice less sticky/pulpy, so there is still a reason to do it.",
"I wonder if Chinese is indeed more efficient, in an odd way (to this westerner).\n\nI'm ignorant, so forgive me. A Chinese character may actually convey several words / meanings. So their \"#\" (insert Chinese character there) may mean a number of things. \n\nLike, our letter A is an A, a B is a B etc. Whereas their \"letters\" can covey a whole sentence or meaning. So instead of \"City with the bridge by the river\" that would be just a few Chinese characters?",
"Water fountains in China often have a hot water function. They find it odd we drink cold water.",
"Tissue paper - like Kleenex - absolutely should not go down toilets. Toilet paper is safe because that stuff disintegrates easily when moistened.\n\nThe same practices should be standard here in the West, too. Flushing unflushables can cause a lot of damage to pipes in the long term. Much of our underground sewage infrastructure is decades old and fixing/replacing them ain't cheap. This is a big enough problem that many municipalities (including mine) have invested in educational campaigns teaching people what CAN'T be flushed.",
"This guy Canadians (I know as a adjective) :)",
"The trade imbalance also seemed to be caused by tight government controls by the monarchy. The monarchy seemed more interested in maintaining tight cultural control than in allowing trade, but like everyone else in the world did appreciate gold and silver and such. Thus to get the most out of the available goods they'd limit the exports allowed and drive up the cost, a relatively sensible strategy as long as you only cared about the monarchy. This drove up the cost in the gold standard to the point that most \"hard currency\" in Britain ended up in China, causing a desire to get that same currency back.\n\nThus, opium. Demand, like today, so high no government controls could stop the flow of imports one way and money the other. I'd imagine some were happy to see addiction grow over racial tensions or etc. But the ultimate goals seems to have been rectifying a trade imbalance. From a purely economic, and thus straight up sociopathic point of view, a sensible strategy. Of course once the monarchy started falling apart it was hardly just the British getting in on the action; by the time the Boxer rebellion hit most of the European powers, and the US, had some sort of vested influence and interest there.",
"Yep me too when I lived in Germany. They found sauce with pizza bizarre and having bacon and eggs on weekends as being a hilarious stereotype.",
"Sure you’re allowed to, it’s just disgusting to 99% of the western population. I’m incredulous that you’re incredulous about the comments you received. As long as people weren’t being outright rude about it, they were well within their rights to be grossed out. It’s ok to enjoy something that the rest of the population considers to be gross, just don’t get huffy when people are surprised.",
"In limited doses, I think a certain amount of sass from kids is healthy and acceptable in Western...especially American...families.\n\nAssertiveness and a willingness to call out (or even resist) authority when you find its judgement to be questionable is kind of part of our cultural ethic. If you want to have strong and independent adults, you can't raise them as kids to be meek and subservient.\n\nOf course, this assumes that the kid in question has a good head on his/her shoulders, and still there are definitely limits to how much backtalk is acceptable. But a certain element of comfort in speaking up for yourself is kind of how we do things.\n\nAmong Koreans and Japanese folks I have known though, holy crap. The amount of acceptable sass and resistance is pretty much zero. Unthinkable. But again, their cultural experience is not based on the independent ideal that the modern American culture runs with. Family sticks together at all costs.",
"armchair sinologist triggered by being wrong.",
"so just doubling down on being a child I see. Seriously, my advice is good. You should take it and grow up.",
"She said that the supermarket lacked the sort of leafy greens that chinese people like, UK supermarkets pretty much all have spinach and kale.\n\nIt's probably more on the bok choy side of leafy greens that she is talking about as our cabbage selections tend to be focused way more on regular cabbage and savoy cabbage.",
"The coming big culture shock she'll encounter later is that when gifts are given in the West (well, at least the UK & US), there is no debt or expectation of reciprocity, and they are not negatively judged by their monetary value.\n\nI've seen this one cause quite a bit of confusion. Sometimes even offense.",
"> There have been innumerable examples that show fecal contamination of tooth brushes simply from flushing the toilet which aerosolizes water into the air.\n\nAnd yet how many people get sick from said contamination of their toothbrushes or anything else in the bathroom like soap etc. which would also be contaminated?\n\nIt's disgusting to think about but the reality is that it's not a health hazard that actually has a real impact.",
"I had an Asian coworker who would habitually gnaw the cartilage on chicken bones, especially off chicken wings. He did explain that this was absolutely normal to him and/or his culture. The cartilage is indeed edible, though I'll admit it takes a bit of getting used to.\n\nBut aside from that, the chicken carcass? Throw that in a pot, pour cold water on it until it's covered, and boil that thing on full blast for 30 minutes. **Boom!** Chicken stock! A staple of many recipes - though I love to use mine to make a big mean veggie soup.",
">before i also thought that westerners dont drink hot drinks \n \nwhat? i find this impossible to believe. coffee? tea? hot chocolate? i also know many people that drink just hot water. (australia btw this might be a different thing in other western countries.)",
"As someone who washes my rice, I still often find dirt, dead rice grains, or sometimes a small pebble when I do.",
"Lots of americans take their shoes off inside their homes. I never do unless there is like an emergency or I am feeling particularly lazy and just quickly stepping into a room close to a door.",
"When salmon are spawning bears have such a surplus of food that they tend to be incredibly wasteful, they will eat the fatty belly and eggs of salmon but leave the rest to rot or be eaten by other animals. It evokes the same feelings as people only eating the easily accessible meat on chicken.",
"Yikes chill",
"This is so bizzare to me. Water is so much better cold to the degree that I just assumed everybody on the planet to unanimously agreed on the topic. Wow.",
"it depends on how its done. if thats the way both of you talk to each other then what's the problem? its just language. im australian so i probably have a different perspective on this, but like you you are being rude and tell you parent to fuck off then well yeh thats rude but if its playful then i dont see a problem. me and mum swear all the time to each other or just in general conversation, its not out of disrespect at all.",
"same also hardly ever get sick. i really dont think its a problem at all. and more a misconception of hygiene. im sure because of china's culture and history and rather fast evolution from poverty into lower/ middle class. so i can understand why that have these beliefs.",
"They've done studies on it, most languages have the similar information density per syllable, and actually English is the highest. And while Mandarin is more compact in characters, people read words in multiple languages at about the same syllable rate.\n\nhttps://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2015/06/whats_the_most_efficient_language.html",
"I agree, it's more about the disrespect than the actual words themselves.",
"A little out to left field on that one but your right",
"I worked at a summer camp in Taiwan years ago and 90% of the kids had \"cold water\" listed as an allergy on their camper forms that the parents filled out.",
"Barley tea is great. \n\nI have a customer that has corn tea on all day for the employees. It's really nice and invigorating on a cold rainy day .",
"This drives me crazy... I even know one guy who eats the flat wings like they're drumsticks, and *leaves the meat* between the two bones!\n\nI think some people just never got taught how to properly dismantle a chicken when they were a kid.",
"So do... A lot of people. I'm in Canada, some folks drink hot water (not from the tap, of course).",
"Bert \"I'm not an alcoholic, I only drink one box of wine a night\" Kreischer",
"Oh god she would freak out in the US.",
"I would never cuss at my parents, but I definitely give my dad a hard time the same way he did to his dad. It's entirely a form of affection though. It drives my girlfriend insane because we give her just as much shit when she's around as we do everyone else, and she's not used to it. She hasn't fully learned that it's not meant to be taken seriously.",
"that must smell so bad. also they do this but think walking from the bathroom to the kitchen to the bedroom is gross?",
"Lol you're literally the only one emotionally responding. I can't tell if you are a really good troll or a king of projection.",
"It's because we don't blindly give respect to elders. It had to ve earned. If you are being an asshole, you need to be called out. The whole \"respect your elders no matter what\" seems incredibly toxic.",
"Only if you're a heathen",
"this isn't necessarily true. Some people don't care. Some people *try* not to unless they're rushing. Some people don't mind if they have hardwood floors. \n\nIt's not like we feel like we're walkin on lava if we wear shoes inside, but I have hardwood floors and 100% wear shoes inside.",
"they don't though, this is a huge overgeneralization. \n\nSome people don't care. Some people try not to unless they're rushing. Some people don't mind if they have hardwood floors.\r \n\r \nIt's not like we feel like we're walking on lava if we wear shoes inside, but I have hardwood floors and 100% wear shoes inside.",
"Nobody in their right mind sits with their feet up IN SHOES on their bed. That's not an \"American thing\". That's crazy talk.\n\nWalking around indoors with \"outdoor\" shoes, meh. That's why mops exist. Not like we wash and sanitize our pets every time they come in from outside, either. \n\n Carpets = no shoes, though. Even when rushing, I feel naughty walking around on carpet with shoes.",
"Just went to reddit after binging your videos and one of the first things I see is a comment by you, crazy",
"thanks for watching!",
"I'm from the Southern US, so when she said that, my mind immediately went to collard greens. Kills two birds with one stone, in fact: use animal bones *and* eat some leafy greens. Actually, based on everything she said, I think she'd be surprised by Southern food. Lots of organs and greens to be had. Ain't no one drinking hot water here, though. Sweet iced tea is the only acceptable beverage when you're eating innards and greens.\n\nBy the way, boiled spinach greens?! Saute those fuckers in some olive oil with a bit of salt and pepper. Once they start getting wilty, they're done. Sauteed spinach greens are fucking delicious if they're done right.",
"I think you're either not from the US or you just live in a weird place. 99% of the time, it's absolutely expected that you take off your shoes in someone's home. The only exception is if you're having a party and people are going in and out of the house. Then it's just accepted that you're going to be cleaning your floors after everyone leaves.",
"In many parts of Asia you still have to boil water, or buy bottled. Even in modern places like Hong Kong you’re advised to do this.\n\nThe UK however has very safe tap water. To the point that most British people think bottled water is no better than tap (just more convenient).",
"Why would a civilized person wear shoes in their home?",
"It is, that is one of the best parts of our culture. I lived in Korea and guess what, people who were pieces of shit when they were younger, tend to be pieces of shit when they are older. Except they have no one to call them out on it because of social norms.",
"I think what she should find shocking is that people thing \"Geoff\" is an acceptable spelling for the name Jeff.",
"They also have festivals that celebrate eating dogs.",
"\"He's hopping about from the bathroom to the kitchen\"\n\nI had a good laugh",
"I live in Asia and often they ask if you want your water hot or cold. Some people told me that their parents told them that cold water is bad for you. \n\n\nI once even ordered a beer and got asked cold or hot.",
"Also: why would a civilized person have carpet in their house? And then walk with their disgusting shoes on it?",
"Yeah, I wonder how much is down to shitty water systems in developing countries",
"Clean your damn floors! \n\n\n;)",
"The plumbing system is really shit in a lot of developing countries (even in southern Europe a lot of places are like this), so basically toilet paper clogs it up... and so they have a bin for used toilet paper. \nLots of places just use bidets though, so it's not quite as gross as it sounds.",
"I wonder if it's down to (historical) food hygiene issues. If your tap water makes you sick then you don't really wanna be washing salad with it.",
"That's the same here in Malaysia. \n\n\nWhen that whole calling him \"Uncle Ben is Racist\" thing blew up, I was like, \"...wut?\"",
"But look how much vitamine C!!!!!!",
"THE MACHINE 🙂",
"I wouldn't say this is universal. It depends on the relationship you have with a person. There are people who I'll just ask what they want and not worry too much about about how much is being spent. But there's also people who've given me gifts, and while I might not consider them to be close enough to gift to, I now have an obligation to get them something in reurn and I'll make sure it's of equal value.",
"[For anyone that hasn't seen. Prob my favorite Bert and Tom clip.](https://youtu.be/TGwLJWPPgrc)",
"Beware, I've found rice weevils in a 25 lb bag of jasmine rice from Costco before, rinsing rice can remove the little spots before they go in your mouth.",
"Don’t get Asians started on indoor and outdoor pants. Especially jeans.",
"Huh I did not know that, that would be unheard of in northern Europe. I wonder if I unknowingly have blocked some Spanish pipes now :/",
"Irish-American replying\n\nIf you enter someone’s house and immediately see a bunch of shoes by the door then it’s clearly a no shoes household.\n\nIf you enter someone’s house and they are wearing shoes and there is no shoe shelf by the door then you can assume you can wear shoes in their house until asked otherwise.\n\n\n\nEdit: probably 90% of my friends/fam in US wear shoes inside. ~10% have shoe shelves or obvious signs of “take your shoes off”\n\nIn Ireland I’d say it was about 75% remove and 25% keep shoes on",
"Fatberg is caused by people flushing inappropriate things down the toilet. Toilet paper exists to be flushed in 'most' Western areas. In some nothing can be flushed because the pipes are so shit.",
"Village delinquents \n\nNever has a person so aptly come up with a phrase for these type of morons. Think I might use that phrase in the future lol.",
"I’m a second gen American. Parents are Chinese. They gave us crap growing up about drinking cold beverages, including water. I later moved to China and saw that everyone drank hot water even when it was 90 degrees and humid out. I still remember vividly the first time I went out to a restaurant and they offered me ice for my otherwise room temperature Coke, at a Japanese restaurant in the Isetan on Huaihai Road in Shanghai. \n\nIt wasn’t until years later, can’t remember when, someone mentioned to me that hot water, especially after a meal, helps with digestion. It also allegedly absorbs better, something about it not having to get warmed up by the body again. But the digestion thing got me intrigued, so I started doing it after meals, and honestly I noticed I didn’t get as bloated or heavy feeling, especially after a rich meal. Finally, someone explained to me that cold or iced water messes with the fats or oils we eat. Like it congeals it making it harder to move, kind of like a fatberg you see in sewers that block the pipes. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it actually makes sense to me. And you know, I do feel better drinking hot water after a meal, so… results. \n\nAnyway. I drink mainly room temperature water these days. I don’t necessarily avoid iced water, since it’s so tasty. But hot water or tea with or after a rich meal is pretty agreeable to me, so I get it. \n\nSpeaking of tasty iced water. Warm beer. Ask a European and they’ll say the reason why Americans drink cold beer is because our beer is nasty warm; which, we all know to be true. But Europeans drink their beer closer to room temp, or at least not ice cold. The temperature does affect taste in that warmer temps allow more aroma and flavor to spread. But if you have shit beer, you want to suppress that. So we got used to drinking Budweiser ice cold cause it’s a shit beer, made for volume, not quality. Don’t believe me? Go to the Heineken factory in Amsterdam; they serve their beer fresh there and maybe around 50 degrees and it’s frigging delicious and aromatic, slightly sweet, and goes down easy. Absorbs better and helps with the digestion too.",
"To be fair, I was right out in the middle of nowhere in Spain. It might not be the same everywhere.",
"Makes it more sticky I think, no? Maybe I'm too tired.",
"Go to an Asian supermarket and just look at the wide selection of green leafy vegetables. I’m second gen Chinese American and I totally get where this girl is coming from. We do eat a lot of leafy greens. \n\nCabbage. Napa cabbage. Bok choy. Baby bok choy. Watercress. Water spinach. Spinach. Pea sprouts. Big pea sprouts. Chinese broccoli. Leeks. Chinese chives. And a whole bunch of stuff I only know the Chinese names of. And it’s almost always cooked (stir fried with garlic is a standard). My mom said she freaked when she came to the US and saw people eating raw vegetable salads; she loves them now. And steak. And Yardhouse.",
"My head always goes at one end of the bed and my feet at the other end. The feet end might get dirty, but at least I'm not putting my face there.",
"was it shocking to be in a country not shipping people off to concentration camps, that doesn't firewall the entire internet and doesn't have a creepy social points system? I don't care what people from that shit country think. Enough with the Chinese content",
"I dunno how big a difference it actually makes. But ok; consider spray that comes out of a toilet when flushing. Or when dudes piss everywhere BUT in the toilet. And in the kitchen, germs from say chicken do get around. And in Chinese kitchens, especially, the floors are often sticky with cooking oil from high temperature stir fries. So wearing socks around the house can pick stuff up, maybe not necessarily germs, or anything that might be unhygienic and cause damage. But there’s an ick factor I guess. \n\nThe one thing I learned about was from a Pakistani descent Twitter account I follow and that’s indoor pants. Apparently south Asian and middle easterners have indoor and outdoor pants. The idea being that when you’re out and about pants get dirty or exposed and so you need to change out of them before you come into the house. So they’ll wear indoor pants. And god forbid you wear outdoor jeans and lay on the bed. I thought that was a bit far out. Until my sister made her doctor husband change out of his work clothes before entering the house at the start of Covid. I also dated a girl who hated me going to strip clubs. Not necessarily because I was checking out other girls. But the fact that strippers might sit on me, and transfer some kind of STI via my pants, to her. So yah. Indoor pants.",
"I worked in a casual sit down place and the kitchen people are often loud and angry with each other too lol. It depends on the dialect too. Cantonese can definitely sound angry. Plus, the Chinese can be very loud. Especially mainlanders.",
"I don’t know if you caught the point cause it was quick, but she said something to the extent, why would you close when there is still business to be had? This is the mindset of a lot of Chinese; work equals money equals good. You’ll see a lot of articles in US media about the long work hours, or days, in China, especially in factories. But ask the workers there how they feel about it and they’ll say something to the extent that yes, work is hard, but we want to make money. It might be for various reasons; like they got family back in the country that needs money, or they want to start their own business, or they just like money. I think it’s one of the reasons why the Chinese are good at business, they like money, even to the point that even if they’re only making a little, if they get a sale, they’re good.",
"Take those shrimp heads and slowly fry in a good amount of oil until crispy. Drain the oil and save it. It’s frigging delicious.",
"As a kid born in 1964, I echo your comments. As a middle class retired African American professor, you would consigned to swallowing your teeth after getting hit in the mouth for sassing elders. Especially sassing your parents was a no-no. You were taught to always respect elders. Most African Americans of a certain age would not watch certain sitcoms like Different Strokes because of smart mouthed African American kids.",
"Yah we use the bones to make soups broths or other flavoring. Plus we eat skin, fat, cartilage as well, and a lot of other parts westerners tend to shun. Allegedly it’s nutritious; skin and cartilage have a lot of collagen which is good for the skin, and also makes for thick, creamy, sticky broth, like in good ramen. Also texture. Texture, and variety of it, is valued in Chinese and other Asian cuisine. Also fat is flavor. Plus we don’t like to waste so everything gets eaten. Meat used to be hard to come by. \n\nAs for her sounding cute. She’s speaking mandarin which is actually a really nice, sing-songy Chinese dialect. Plus she’s got a sweet tone and voice, and honestly, she’s speaking very politely and in a polished manner. Other dialects use more tones, some of which can sound nasal or guttural… Shanghainese and Cantonese come to mind. I get it tho. I give my Vietnamese friends shit about their language which sounds angry and dirty in comparison to Chinese.",
"imagine if each word in english was just a single syllable. Complex words are constructed as compound words. No need for conjugations. Speaking is a little faster, but",
"Hahahah. The belly and eggs are also the most fatty, and nutrient dense, parts of the fish.",
"It’s like that all over Asia. I was in Hawaii last week and went on a sort of tour with some locals. There was an older Hawaiian woman there, and when I went to talk to her, I called her aunty. It’s a habit.",
"Yeah, it's absolutely bizarre that she had no idea about the British love for tea. Almost like a Brit going, \"Wait, Indians like rice?\"",
"> Also cold water isn’t always that easy to drink compared to warm/hot water\n\nThat is *so* weird to me. I can barely tolerate any water that isn't nearly ice cold.",
"Sometimes it just so cold it hurts my mouth or throat especially on colder days",
"So when the girl in the video keeps talking about fresh leafy green vegetables, isn't that a salad?",
"Wait until you find out about credit scores",
"Got any cavities/fillings?",
"I find that bed should not have socks and regular floor should not have bare feet.",
"Cause theyre comfy and I clean my floors",
"👍",
"This is exactly what I was wondering! thanks",
"I feel like this is more European. Most americans that I know don't do this.",
"May have started that way, it is said in Chinese Medicine that warm drinks are better for you. \n\nI like the relaxing warmth of hot drinks. It's like a sauna for my insides. Cold drinks make me feel perky, which is nice sometimes too.",
"1 filling but that’s not what I’m talking about it’s not really the teeth that hurt more like a brain freeze in your mouth. Sure during the summer I’d never drink anything above room temperature but like any other time I could see why someone would want a warm/hot cup of water compared to cold water.",
"I'll splash in some juice and maybe nutmeg. It's real nice.",
"They don't do that either. They just always wear slippers indoors (unless in bed/shower).",
"She did it too though. Just small stuff.\n\n\\- why don't you drink warm water and you only drink cold water? \n\n\\- Oh no, we don't eat cold lunches in china, that wouldn't fly.",
"A lot of those things you just listed are very common in British supermarkets though. \n\n'Cabbage. Bok choy. Watercress. Spinach. Pea sprouts. Leeks. Chives.' Will be in abundance in all supermarkets (as well as other leafy greens) butttttt I very much get the impression they are staying in a small village (when she spoke about things closing early) so I imagine in small local shops there is a more limited selection.",
"Also it is common to wear slippers in the UK, I am wearing mine right now. \n\nMany houses in the UK have next to no carpets and its wooden floorboards all around, this is because they are Victorian, Georgian, or even older and thats how they were built. When she said there is carpet everywhere I am guessing she is staying in a postwar house.",
"口水鸡好吃",
"They mention looking for more leafy green vegetables and I assume it’s to cook with. In Chinese cuisine, vegetables are almost never prepared raw",
"I've never found a pebble in my rice that sounds absolutely horrific... What kind of rice do you buy? I normally buy Korean brands (that amusingly are grown in USA) and are labeled as \"sushi rice\". That's only because it's what I'm used to, I don't necessarily think they are better than other brands etc.",
"Just want to point out that continental style beers, I.e. lager are mainly supposed to be served at about 5-8 degrees C (so chilled rather than ice cold) while UK and Ireland style ales are meant to be served at cellar temperature - about 12 degrees C. So not really ‘room temperature’, which I believe is somewhere around 20 degrees C?",
"It's great when chilled for hot days too, it's sometimes kept in a pitcher in the fridge like a southerner keeps a pitcher of sweet tea.",
"> British people think\n\nIs this implying that our tap water *isn't* as good as bottled?",
"> This is the mindset of a lot of Chinese; work equals money equals good. You’ll see a lot of articles in US media about the long work hours, or days, in China, especially in factories. But ask the workers there how they feel about it and they’ll say something to the extent that yes, work is hard, but we want to make money.\n\nThat's the mindset of almost everyone on the planet. Everyone wants to make money.\n\nThe difference between those two things is in the west there's more of an expectation for reasonable work life balance\n\nIn China there isn't, even street cleaners work 5am-10pm. It doesn't mean they're getting paid more for working longer hours and they're saying \"I choose to work 5am-10pm and have no life because I get paid more money and I like money!\". It means that's how long they have to work to be able to hold the job and have a livable wage. The same is true for factory workers, the same is true for tech-workers.",
"Opium for tea? That sounds like a losing strategy, but hey they made it work!",
"its fairly common in places where the pipes suck so much, they can't handle toilet paper. often, places where the plumbing is old",
"> I guess my main question is does the bathroom just smell like feces all the time?\n> \n> \n\nyes",
"then get a bidet.",
"I found this interesting that a lot of the things she thought would be one way, were not. Mostly because, and I could tell from her description before she mentioned \"village\" that she did NOT live in London or a city.\n\nThe minute drivers being polite, thanking each other and waiting patiently was mentioned I knew this was not a London environment. I've lived in London and a small town and there is enough culture shock just going between the two let alone from another country.\n\nThis sums up how stereotypes and expectations of other cultures miss the fact that there is enormous variation within that culture. Some people in the UK wear shoes indoors, others do not, while you can generalise that \"most people do X\" it's honestly not always the case.\n\nA lot of what Op is going through is \"moving to the countryside\" culture shock rather than \"moving to England\" culture shock, and Yes, I wish the damn shops stayed open too! After having got used to living in a city where you can shop in the evenings and order fast-food to your door from a dozen places I too miss the city convenience. That said, when she finally drives in London she will realise the trade-off and won't miss the sound of honking horns any more....I pray for her life if she dares to get on a bike in London.",
"She also said there's not a lot of traffic. Must be nice.",
"This made me laugh. One of the big signs she was not living in London, but in a small countryside town.\n\nA great example of how a single perspective can warp your impression of a culture. A single persons experience of a small part of one place in a country is not \"this is how it is in England\" anymore than some of the warped views we hear are \"this is how it is in China\".",
"You can tell it's quite far south by the fact drivers slowed down and thanked each other.\n\nThe only hand gestures you see from near London and north are not ones you would demonstrate on a video :)",
"you get a bidet",
"> The Western and East Asian ideas of family\n\nAlways amusing when \"educational\" posts start like that. The average age of children leaving their parental household is 26 in the EU and the range between countries is ~15 years. There is no \"western\".",
"I don't have a shit bucket. It should also be noted it wasn't exactly directed at you. It is directed at people with shit buckets.",
"A surprising amount of parents do pressure their kids to leave home as soon as possible, so I think there actually is some truth in it but its far from being the norm. \n\nIt's rare to literally kick them out, but pressuring and encouragement to move out is not too rare, I personally know of a fair few friends and acquaintances that have experienced that.",
"Well maybe you have sensitive teeth or something. I never have that brain freeze thing from cold water. Just curious.",
"Not just London. Any city or town centre. Basically anywhere that isn't a leafy village or faceless suburban commuter belt.",
"Talk to ex military people about the literal briefings they got regarding them. Maybe you need to grow up.",
"I'm Asian so we do the whole auntie/uncle thing. I thought the West has warmed up to it since the 90s. Hawkeye's kids call Black Widow \"auntie Nat\".",
"Finding a rock in rice is “horrific”??",
"This video was recorded from a house in Kintyre, Scotland where they are house-sitting for a month, but Scott (her husband) lives in the Cotswalds.",
"Here in the Southern US, many homes have tile or at least hardwood floors. It helps cool the home. Carpet is the cheaper flooring and doesn't help with cooling. Generally we can wear shoes if we want because mopping will effectively clean the flooring and there are even robots now that can automate it. For carpet floors, it's more customary to remove your shoes as carpet doesn't clean as easily.\n\nI have tile flooring; I wear shoes sometimes and don't expect guests to remove their shoes.",
">Scott's family need to do better lunches!\n\nI think this has something to do with cultures where someone (usually the mom) is expected to do a shitload of work in the kitchen all day. Everyone takes it for granted that all meals and food will just be there, ready at every meal. This happens in western cultures as well, so it's certainly not a big at Asian cultures. Being casual about some meals is a really great way to go.",
"Scott's doing VERY well for himself, ha. Basically the well established nicest part of the country, so a lot of what she's saying makes sense. Especially everyones lawn being perfectly mowed.",
"that is why you have a carpet in your bedroom just drag your feet on the carpet and they are clean enough to hop into bed with.",
"I'm Romanian and I have indoor and outdoor pants too. Why wouldn't you?",
"Yes, as someone who's had their fair share of dental work, I'd rather find bugs etc than a rock. A pebble or piece of gravel could easily cause you to break or chip a tooth if you chew it accidentally.\n\nIf you haven't had the pleasure of chipping or breaking a tooth and feeling the panic of \"wtf just happened?!\". Then gently opening and closing your jaw and feeling the grit of your shattered tooth on your tongue and between your other teeth, then let me tell ya, it's no fun. I sometimes have nightmares about that stuff.\n\nMajor major red flag if you find a rock in your rice IMHO.",
"Well one nice part of carpet is that it doesn't get as cold as wood or linoleum, it's also softer.",
"No it is not the standard.",
"not the same thing at all, but glad to know you are ok with putting people in concentration camps, I like to know who the garbage humans are",
"Wut",
"As a Brit living in China it's pretty impossible for me to believe too. Everyone in China knows coffee and hot chocolate as a Western thing, and that tea is popular in the UK. Every café has a European aesthetic (or sometimes Japanese) and there are a fuck tonne of Starbucks in every major city.\n\nThey think of milk tea as a Hong Kong thing, and are all aware that they got that from British influence.\n\nIf you go to any supermarket the most expensive brand of tea will be British (usually Twinning's).",
"Leafy greens in China usually means Brassicaceae (broccoli/cauliflower leaves) or spinach leaves, boiled and served with garlic and soy sauce.\n\nYou can get salads in China but most people don't eat them regularly, especially at home.",
"\"Cold Beer will congeal the oil from dinner and give you gallstones/cancer/covid/headtits\"\n\nYep, no worries Amah. Thanks for that. *-Sip-*",
"Just so you know, the fatberg thing is a bullshit Chinese old wives tale that flies in the face of basic human anatomy.\n\nI get what you mean in that it seems to make sense... Urban myths tend to until you think about it more. Of course, the reality is if the drink stayed cold enough in your stomach to congeal all the oil in the food like that without your body equalising everything to 37C like it's supposed to, you'd be hypothermic and pretty damned unwell.\n\nDoesn't stop my wife from trying to ban the kids from having chilled water but hey... \n\nI'm glad you enjoyed your food with hot drinks. Me, pre COVID I lived on and off in SE Asia over a ten year period, drank a fuckton of cold drinks with meals and never noticed any difference in digestion or post meal comfort one way or another. Different strokes I guess.",
"Well I understand the pain, but you’re way over reacting lol. A pebble isn’t a “major major red flag”. Jesus, have humans really become this sheltered?",
"I think especially in Ireland, our weather doesn't really permit wearing shoes indoors. \n \nMajority of the time I will be coming in from the rain. Even if I clean my feet at the door, my shoes are going to be wet/muddy and I'll track loads of dirt into the house.",
"> I once even ordered a beer and got asked cold or hot.\n\nHot, in this case, just means at room temperature.",
"I'm aware of how weird I am when I walk down the stairs like Nosferatu, thank you very much.",
"Fascinating! I live in Canada and for me this video was more of a look into Chinese culture rather than British, but it was a bit of both. I was born in a non-Anglo-Saxon country, and still sometimes shake my head or wonder at Canadian customs (that might or might not have had British influence). This video sort of made me feel at home, as someone who's had to adjust to a completely new culture before due to a big move (twice)\n\nOne thing I have to wonder about.. is the cold water comment. People in China don't drink cold water? Is that because water from the tap isn't safe to drink? That's what I'm always told to avoid drinking when I'm travelling to Asia, South America, etc. Is that the reason or is there something else going on? What's the go to cold drink for a hot day? I'm a guy who drinks a LOT of cold water (every day, it's my go to drink), so this has got me wondering",
"\"Actually, the French do like grapes, just normally with feet having been in it and it gets you pissed.\"",
"Maybe there's different stereotypes about the Brits in China? Here in North America ours are \"they drink tea, eat crumpets, wear furniture on their heads for weddings\", etc., but maybe in China they focus on different ones, and the tea thing doesn't register?",
"That's what I'm going to call my band and/or first album.",
"> I think it's a bit of a misunderstanding\n\nIt's definitely not. Visit /r/personalfinance and /r/legaladvice and you regularly see post by teens getting kicked out asking for advice.",
"What's the go-to cold drink for a hot day in China? Water just seems like the most obvious go-to for something like that, unless you want something fancier like a coke or beer or juice or whatever. Or are other cold drinks also not that popular in China? I get why the hot water thing happens - you used to have to boil it to drink it (and in many places still do), but the same thing is true in say South America, and there nobody will find it weird if you drink a cold glass of water, especially on a hot summers day. So I'm curious how exactly this: \"Drinking cold water is odd\" thing evolved exactly",
"She's talking specifically about England, not the West in general.",
"No. The amount of normal human bacteria on the skin would traumatize you if you could visualize and substantiate it.",
"This is why I love flying to some far away country that's foreign to me, and diving right into the culture, and backpacking around for a month, learning the ins and outs of the culture, eating all the food, interacting with locals, etc. You end up learning a lot about that particular culture but also about your own. As well as yourself",
"My parents were born in a communist eastern bloc country during the cold war. When we all moved to a western country, my mom would often head to Asian grocery stores to find the sort of meat she was used for some of the meals she cooks. She would use the traditional beef, pork, and chicken cuts that are popular in the west, but also a bunch of stuff that isn't popular here at all - but that you can often find at Asian grocery stores. The origin of this is probably rooted in the same sort of ideals - to use as much of the animal as possible, because you couldn't afford not to. And it's not like it tastes bad. When I was growing up eating these meals, these were all meat to me, although I admit I did not like the tripe soup at all. Almost everything else though.. :)",
"I travel often.. or at least used to before covid.. and nope, this doesn't happen. I mean, I bet it happens from time to time, but it wasn't a problem that I can remember, and I've been to places like Nepal, Peru, Cambodia, etc.",
"I'll never forget when a random older gentleman sitting at the bar at the gyoza restaurant I was at just basically ran away after paying for my meal, so I wouldn't have a chance to try to return the favour lol. At first I was soo confused as to why he just basically bolted off right after he shook my hand, but then did some reading, and he probably thought that since I'm a westener and am used to different standards, I might feel obligated to return the favour - but in Japanese culture the thing to do is to graciously accept the gift and NOT make it even right there and then.\n\nHe paid for my meal because he was a regular there and wanted me to have a good experience, from what the guy behind the counter said. I asked (the older man, who paid for my meal) how to go about mixing the various sauces into a proper dipping sauce for my dumplings. I saw him eating his and he seemed to know what to do, and we could not speak any part of the same language at all, but I communicated via gestures and he was more than happy to help. Then while I was busy eating my gyoza dumplings (which were incredible), he taps me on the shoulder, says something, bows, shakes my head, and walks away soo fast you'd think he's an olympic speed walker. \n\nIt put a smile on my face for the rest of the day. I'll never forget that man and that restaurant.. and how delicious those dumplings were. If you are ever in Ueno, Tokyo, Japan, in the old market part, look for the falling apart looking gyoza dumpling restaurant under the rail tracks. They have the best gyoza dumplings you'll ever eat",
"When I was living in UK I had two work mates that didn't eat any veggies except potatoes as chips. To a level where they would pick out lettuce and tomatoes out of burgers. \nIn general when I think of British food I don't think of a lot of vegetables for some reason. Lots of brown, fried stuff (that I love) but not that much veggies. \nAlso I love picking mushrooms and most of my mates there didn't know you could do that (mushrooms magically appeared in shops) and most didn't like them. \nDamn, now I want some fish and chips.",
"Look, I eat peanut butter with all the bug bits and rat shit in it, no problem. I find a beak in my kfc bucket, whatever. Nipple in my pork rinds? that's a funny. I'm not sheltered at all when it comes to food, where it comes from, or what it is. However, you gotta draw the line somewhere, and for me that is when things that could cause real harm are left in the food. There is no excuse for a rock to make it through a rice processing plant. The fact that it does happen is a red flag to not use that brand, supplier, etc. \n\nI equate a small pebble in a bag of rice to a staple in a loaf of bread. Do you think that's a big deal?",
"A stone in a bag of rice is absolutely not as bad as a staple in a loaf of bread lol plus, there’s no actual good reason a staple would be anywhere near the dough but tiny rocks can very easily be filtered through with the rice.\n\nLike, you’re really freaking out about the extreme off chance you’d bite down hard enough on a tiny pebble to chip a tooth because of your past experience. It’s just experience bias. Rice grows outside. Rocks happen. They won’t kill you.",
"Yeah to be totally honest I only eat one meal a day but people think I'm weird for skipping 2 meals, I think skipping 1 or eating something really light for one is way more normal. It's not why I do it but there are some interesting studies on the benefits of fasting so maybe it's a good idea? I just don't get very hungry throughout the day.",
"Indoor pants are bare legs",
"Im a southern united states american, ask if a stereotype is true and ill try to confirm",
"Personally, I skip dinner. I only eat breakfast and lunch.",
"When I went to China, in the restaurants they always offered you beer (a kind of quite mild and quite pleasant lagery, slightly cloudy, pale beer, as I recall) or some kind of orange-flavour drink, which comes in bottles.",
"Do you mean that these were all cold drinks?",
"Yup.",
"I wasn't defending China, I was questioning both your maturity and sobriety in this *particular* discussion. \nYour reply is just more evidence.",
"Personally no. It actually has been my go to when I start feeling nausea. I think years of having teas, herbal teas and warm water remedies such as steamed pear juice with honey (a go to throat comforter for children in Korea) have given me a bit of a psychological preference towards hot water for revivification. But it wasn't until like the past 2 years during the pandemic since I've really started enjoying it more, especially in the cold months. I think I'm just getting old too.\n\nOn the weekends when I'm at home, I'll usually do about 3 cups of the same steep of tea until around the afternoon when I switch over to warm water with lemon if I'm feeling a bit cold. I've noticed sticking to tea all day, especially the darker stuff, is a bit too much for me.",
"Whatever you say, chief lol. God the sanctimony is hilarious. How was your endorphin hit after hitting reply?",
"I can't believe I've been flushing used toilet paper all these years",
"I thought the same, but then I guess it’s all relative. Hearing 10 horns per minute in London would be a very different experience than 200 horns per minute in Beijing so I can see why, even if she had been in a larger town/city, she may have that impression.",
">No nation was ever so virtuous as each believes itself, and none was ever so wicked as each believes the other.\n\n- Bertrand Russell",
"> This is not something I can figure out in my head, the \"tone\" of a word changing it's meaning.\n\nIt's not that the tone of a word changes its meaning, exactly. It's that the tone of a *sound* equates to a different word.\n\n\"ma\" (with a rising inflection) - means one word \n\n\"ma\" (with a sinking inflection) - means another word\n\n\"ma\" (with a flat inflection) - means yet another word\n\nI can't remember how it goes exactly, but thus 'ma' can mean 'mother', 'hemp' or 'horse', depending on inflection.\n\nHope that makes sense.",
"another concentration camp supporter. Cool, thanks for letting me know what a piece of shit garbage person you are",
"The words of someone who doesn't live in a cold climate. Wooden or tile floors make rooms ice cold.",
"None! Glad you're enjoying yours. Project much? lol",
"The nepalese do it too.",
"When I cook a chicken, I share the waste with seagulls and other wild animals.",
"Yeah, that Bertrand Russell, famous supporter of concentration camps",
"the reason they flooded china with opium is because the emperor made a law that goods for export could only be bought with silver, they would no longer accept foreign currency. So the british sold opium for silver and then turned around and bought tea with it. \n\nSo they took a crop which their was not much demand for in europe because countries were banning its use and basically exchanged it for tea which there was huge demand for. When the chinese emperor tried to ban import of opium they were not going to let that whole scheme die so they basically conquered china and set their own terms for the next century",
"I guess we will agree to disagree then.\n\nYou seem to think I'd be inconsolable and would completely break down if I found rocks in my rice. No, I'd probably be pissed enough to report it to the company so they are aware of the issue and can look into improving their process but that's about it.\n\nI still think it's unacceptable and that I would avoid them in the future. Foods are often x rayed much like at the airport, and if any foreign matter is found, the computer automatically ejects the contaminated portion or alerts the workers. Not sure why you're having such an issue with this, what would you be pissed about finding in your food? A glove? A hair net? Just eat around it bro, accidents happen and when you have workers using PPE around the factory you're bound to get some in your food. It's harmless!",
"it means she does not come from a first tier city in china with good sewage system than can handle toilet paper being flushed. You see this in the poorer cities and towns the sewer system back up if you flush toilet paper so everyone throws it in trash instead of flushing it. It is not common in the big cities like Beijing and Shanghai though",
"I was referring to you moron",
"Okay but a glove or a hairnet has the potential for human disease to be on it lol what are you on about.\n\nIt’s a damn rock. It’s also an extremely well-known “risk” or eating rice in many places. It’s happened to me multiple times. There’s even a half-joking myth about a rock meaning the rice is “fresher” or “more natural”",
"Well if you're cooking the food then no disease would survive right? And if it's cooked into the food at the factory then it's sanitized at that point. It's a risk when eating any processed food from a large factory, doesn't mean anyone should be OK with it though!\n\nI've never found rocks in my rice, and I eat a lot of rice so it's kind of a shock to hear that it happens so frequently. Maybe it's more common when buying certain types of rice (Jasmine, basmatti etc.) or from countries of origin that may not have the same controls for foreign object detection? What kind of rice have you found them in, genuinely curious.",
"Mexican rice, basmati rice (short grain), and jasmine rice. Usually it’s at restaurants (who order bulk bags) or when buying my own big bags of rice. Object detection is not perfect anywhere, and buying in bulk always introduces the possibility of foreign objects. Some brands are even totally dusty with powder (which I tend to avoid)\n\nHave you ever worked food service? I’m guessing no, or at least not in good handling roles. The amount of random material you find in bulk foods is crazy lmao",
"Dude, your ass is too slow to realize I wasn't even talking about china, lol. No one even said you were defending china, you decided to defend yourself there for some reason. It really is hilarious that you're this sanctimonious about the wrong thing. I just let you keep going. They legit briefed several of my marine friends that went to the middle east early in the war about \"tea boys\" and how it was a fucked up cultural thing that they couldn't intervene with, and it STILL has vets fucked up that encountered it. It is a literally culture shock and you just don't know about it, easy as that. You got defensive about nothing lmao.",
"I have worked food service in restaurants and worked on heavy machinery used in factory sorting but not in person on the \"front lines\" of those factories. I guess I'm lucky to not have seen many foreign objects in the food we served since it was typical American cuisine (not going to find much more than a bug or two in the lettuce).\n\nI guess it would be easier to miss rocks in other types of rice because the color and size variations may make the sorting operation more involved. Like I said, I normally buy the shorter grain white sushi rice so set up to detect FOD might be more accurate.\n\nFunnily enough I did work on detection systems for a similar application. It would use high resolution cameras to detect imperfect candy and use an air jet to blast it into a rejection bin as it dropped from one conveyer to the next. Neat ways to sort and filter products at all stages of production, some of them are pretty damn genius because of the simplicity or the tech involved.",
"OMG, you're still going. \nPsycho much? Or is this a clever bot? \nwow!",
"Hah, is that what it is? They see how much fucking lard comes out of Asian food when it cools down?",
"You'd think most people would just install bidets rather than having to live with a smelly bucket of shit covered paper in their bathroom... especially in hot climates, yick.\n\nThe toilet seat bidet attachments are pretty cheap.",
"From what I understand it seems to be a bit of an offshoot of \"traditional\" Chinese medicine which body temperature has a large part in and drinking cold things is unhealthy which probably does have roots in what you say. Don't think they have a go to cold drink but then again never discussed it but they do drink cold soft drinks and beer but in general Ice isn't that common.",
"I’m so confused about this exchange and why this guy got so mad about you bringing up an example of culture shock and why you have so many downvotes. Wtf is happening here.",
"Group think. none of them know what it is so they just lemming along behind the belligerent OP.",
"The Iberians and Britons certainly… got around…",
"Well that's the old pretext any given Auntie (in my case, my wife's grandmother) would cite for going on about it. I mean, like a lot of traditional \"truths\" it's bullshit that falls flat in the face of actual science, but that doesn't stop the comments.",
"Thats really not how tonal languages work at all. The tone causes the word to change meaning entirely and is disconnected from the emotion, like chips vs cheese, not fuck-im-angry vs fuck-im-suprised",
"I eat every bit of the chicken except the bone and Im not from a family that generally does that. Chicken skin is great, cartilage and ligaments are nice and crunchy. There are random squishy bits between bones that Im not sure what they are. If I get the spine of the chicken I like to pull out the cord, its challenging and doesnt taste bad lol. I love to go to chinese restaurants and get chicken feet, all the good bits and none of that boring meat haha.",
"> the other side of this that i see confusing some foreigners is that individualist cultures tend to be warmer to more people in general -- whereas collectivist cultures tend to be friendly to people in their in-group only, individualist cultures tend to be friendly to everyone as there is no in-group. also collectivist cultures tend to be more okay with showing sadness in public and individualist cultures tend to be more okay with showing happiness in public -- this is why to individualist cultures collectivist ones can appear cold, while to collectivist cultures individualist ones can appear fake.\n\nThis is such a brilliant observation, wow."
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11 Bizarre Culture Shocks in England as a Chinese Tourist!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Hq8eVOMHs
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/r/videos/comments/r5s4ij/is_meat_really_that_bad/
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"Telling someone they should consider eating less meat because it would be good for the environment and the animals shouldn't cause someone to lose their mind and scream \"COMMUNISM! FASCISM! CRAZY LIBERALS WANT TO TAKE MY MEAT!\"\n\nSo...just putting that out there...As the video says, \"It's up to you what you want to do with this information.\"",
"why is this video being spammed so much on reddit today?",
"my thoughts exactly. Did the check just clear to the marketing firm?\n\nAt least we know which accounts are bought and payed for.",
"I think the difference is that there's a set of hardcore ideologies capturing the narrative on climate change and using it as a way to push their predetermined agendas.\n\nPeople are naturally going to reject the advice of vegans and communists when it comes to what to eat or how to run an economy.",
"To me, it doesn't matter what your background or political preference is, there is simply no denying that human beings are destroying this earth and all life on it. It's all about greed and money and how you can exploit others to get more money.\n\nWe've created a horrible world for ourselves and the simple suggestion that SOME things can or should change causes people to scream things like \"communism\" because they are afraid of change and because they've been brainwashed by right-wing talking head nutjobs.\n\n\"Hey, we should consider making healthcare and education more affordable.\"\n\n\"FUCKING COMMMIE!\"\n\n\"Isn't it crazy how CEOs keep making more and more and more, and wages really haven't gone up at all?\"\n\n\"COMMIE!\"\n\n\"Man, we are really eating a lot of animals. So much that it's actually having an impact on the environment, and animals are still being forced to live in horrible conditions, despite legislation/regulation attempts.\"\n\n\"COMMIE VEGAN CUCK!\"\n\n\"Well, I'm not saying to just stop eating it altogether. Maybe we could find ways to cut back, or otherwise reduce the amount of production required. This would have a two-pronged effec-\"\n\n\"GOD DAMNED COOOOOOMMMMMMIIIIIEEEEE LEFFFTTTTIIIISSSTTT!!\"\n\nWe can't have nice things until all the dinosaurs die off. And even then, they've brainwashed too many rural morons, and the rest of em are bought out by corporations and greed and corruption.\n\nWe're fucked. We are totally fucked.\n\nMy advice: don't reproduce. try to have a few days a week where you don't eat meat or eat less of it. support public transit and affordable housing.",
"Fake moralizing doesn't appeal to me, and I reject your argument.",
"For some people, accountability is a tough pill to swallow. It's all good.",
"You're wrong about everything. Which is why you're so emotionally charged.",
"Ain't gonna be an economy when we're all dead brosef",
"Because it's a pretty good video that has an interesting analysis and addresses a issue that is quite relevant in our modern world?"
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Is Meat Really That Bad?
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https://youtu.be/beAdysmgzPQ
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/r/videos/comments/r5tifg/a_new_world_record_through_the_fire_and_flames/
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[
"How the fuck. This is insane",
"Mr steal yo girl fr",
"sheesh",
"Dudes wrists will never recover",
"And here I miss inputs when typing 4 character passwords...",
"It's called Through the Fire and Flames because your fingers literally burn from friction if you play it right.",
"I just don't...",
"We need a rhythm games expert to come in and drop a knowledge bomb in the comments.\n\nSpecifically, I'd like to know what's happening when his right hand goes up to the fret board buttons. It looks as though he's just rolling across the five buttons.",
"i'm pretty sure he is, clone hero just lets you get away with spamming like that",
"He's doing exactly that - the notes you see which have the fully 'white' center at the top only require you to tap the note/button without strumming (with your other hand), so people can just roll their hands across the board as fast as they can to hit those notes.\n\nLook at the segments where he's rolling his hand across the controller - you'll see what notes I'm talking about with the white tops.",
"Hey! This is actually me in the video so I can explain. Basically guitar hero controllers back in the day had terrible latency that didn’t allow for specific techniques, and since we have way better hardware these days we can do stuff like slide all four fingers of one hand up the fret board while holding green on the other hand and it inputs a ton of hammerons if you time it right. So in the fast hammeron sections where you see me sliding, I’m trying to input as much as I possibly can since there’s no stamina saving way to hit all of it. \n\nI hope that explains it well! We have advanced this game into oblivion haha",
"At this point, why not just learn how to play guitar?",
"Dude. Congrats!! Nice!!!!",
"Ya this guy gets girls.",
"Can I purchase a “ new” guitar hero controller with updated buttons etc ?",
"^ This is the crazy fucker that ate a ghost pepper then played this song. And it only handicapped enough to get him down to 85%. Legend.",
"prob gets more money from this than real guitar.",
"Pfft not even 100%",
"Works for Mortal Kombat, not so much for Guitar Hero -- it counts erroneous notes against you even if you happen to get the right ones, too. Button mashing kills you faster than doing nothing.",
"Your girlfriend might be fucking estatic when you come home at night.",
"jesus tittyfucking christ",
"😂😂😂",
"Yes! Just tag me in a tweet and ask where you can buy a controller and you’ll have builders dying to sell to you. We’re trying really hard to build the community",
"dear internet. please gold this man.",
"But it's not wild sliding. It's in order... perfectly. At almost 3x the speed you can play as...",
"Man, you must really like that song.",
"I typically wouldn't give a shit about something like this, but that was seriously impressive.",
"thank god zeus vs franklin is here to give his professional opinion that we all definitely asked for",
"Keyword being “passed”\n\nThat’s the fastest speed at which the song was passed without failing. \n\nThe fastest that all the notes have been hit, in a row, was 165% speed, though that record is due to be taken down within the next year",
"Well this is so , I don't have words to describe it ! :)",
"What in tarnation",
"He didn’t get perfect though he got 86%. The player commented above he’s just spamming the fast parts in the hopes of getting the most inputs correct.",
"Is there anyone selling Xbox 360 guitars? Or do you know anyone that does repairs?",
"I'm extremely impressed with your run. I'm curious, do you play guitar irl?",
"Nice.",
"Years of practice, all day every day",
"I wish games like this and Rockband would make a come back. Those games were super popular then kinda just fell off the face of the earth. I was semi-decent at expert drums. lol",
"Vid [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lZiHFv85uM&t=224s&ab_channel=CarnyJared) \n\nI lost my shit when he just dumped the milk on his face, fuckin legend",
"Why does he use the first person plural for his success?",
"You seem fun.",
"I don't think this dude blinked a single time in this whole video lmao",
"I've no idea either, but he seems happy so I am.",
"Stupid question but he didn’t hit every single one of those notes right?",
"You think that’s impressive? Today I plugged in a USB cable without looking at the port on the first try.",
"Yes, the less than 100% shows it's perfect. Not to mention mashing 5 coloured buttons is hardly 'playing'.",
"Mind over matter 🤣",
"As opposed to your incompetent dick riding.\n\nPoor thing.",
"I am. I also praise talent when I see it. This is not talent or skill.",
"Yes, exactly, I'm so glad we're on the same page",
"Imagine applying this logic to any video game..",
"I was watching this and all I could think was “welp, I don’t think this guy is gonna get 100%” lol. Nice job overall though, way better than a pleb like myself could do.",
"After GH1 they pretty much corrected that issue.",
"\"Might as well become a TSA agent at this point.\"",
"Guitar Hero is a lot more fun. Learning guitar takes a lot more repetitive practice, especially early on when you can't play any full songs.",
"Now THIS is an Inhuman Rampage!",
"So that's what I used to look like...",
"Son, you are good at fifa. Why not play real football?",
"FC when?",
"Dude fingers a chick once … she didn’t live",
"No he says at the end he had like 86% accuracy which is nuts",
"Nope, you can barely see it but theres a bar on the left that represents like \"crowd approval\" or whatever, and you can see it go up and down as he hits/misses notes. If it goes deep enough in the red you fail the song",
"Thanks😃 Nah maybe one day but I’ve never been interested yet. Seeing the real guitar vs. plastic guitar white knights never gets old though haha",
"It's in order but has sacrificed any and all accuracy or timing or rhythm just in the pursuit of speed. As a completely arbitrary video game achievement sure... yay... But as any sort of achievement for timing/rhythm/music etc it would get laughed off of a stage at a primary school contest. Basically it's every music teacher's worst nightmare, a kid playing as fast as possible to show off even though it sounds like complete garbage.",
"I do the same thing when I stream --\n\nEven though I'm the one playing, I often say \"We\", because me and my chat have been on the journey together.\n\nThe stream chat has kept him company and given him support across all the effort it took to get to this point, so its kind of a team effort. Or at the very least, a shared experience.",
"This is insane. Congrats bro. Hope he plays real guitar.",
"This is all I saw in my head when I watched this video:\n\n(South Park \"Guitar-Queero\" episode ending)\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzOaPc-\\_mE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIzOaPc-_mE)",
"Is there a reason why you picked this specific song? /u/CarnyJared",
"I could do this. This is how I played Street Fighter against my cousins growing up.",
"Oh I get it thanks. So the goal here is realistically actually about “making it through” to the end, rather than getting a 100%. \n\nWhat’s the fastest 100% record? Now that must be fucking nuts (not that this isn’t lol)",
"Yeah exactly, and I’m not sure what the 100% record is but even normal speed 100% is insane to me haha",
"Like so many genres the market was saturated and the fad passed. Although rhythm games are still well alive and I wouldn't be surprised if either Guitar Hero or Rockband release something in the next few years to tap into that sweet nostalgia cash.",
"Is it another stupid question to ask whether it’s better to dedicate that time and energy at learning real guitar? \n\nThe kid would fucking slash it… with much more cultural capital haha\n\nEdit: damn… guess my comment *struck a chord*",
"Holy fucking shit LOL",
"By all means, try this song out at 275% speed.",
"Pure performance art",
"But don't you still have to strum the first one? If you break the streak then you can't just tap them anymore unless you strum again. Or is he strumming with his elbow?",
"My personal opinion is that playing an actual guitar is 100x a more impressive and valuable skill than guitar hero, but this was still impressive.",
"Password game weak.",
"I don’t know how you figure that, getting good at guitar hero is literally repetitive practice, in that you get good at the game you need to learn how to repeat the song note for note. With a real guitar you can make things up as you go along.\n\nIf this guy had spent the same amount of time practicing guitar as he has guitar hero he would be an expert (assuming he doesn’t already play guitar)",
"Hey man love the dedication but how are your wrists? This run hurts just watching and run after run? Damn. Congrats to you!",
"I missed the toilet with this mornings pee.",
"different strokes for different folks",
"Technically, Randyladyman got 100% notes at 170% speed but with overstrum. 165% is the full combo record.",
"Thanks for the explanation!",
"Yup, you need to hit the very first one, but as long as you don't break the streak it's fine. When you mash hard enough you won't miss any notes.",
"I never get tired of seeing speedrunners or crazy gamer achievement hunters finally hitting their goals. Reactions are always so genuine.",
"Is this a progress thing?",
"Buy me a console and the game and I will.\n\nIt's so funny triggering all the little virgins who idolise pre pubescent gamers.",
"So there's no penalty for hitting wrong buttons there?",
"Glad to see Ben Shapiro moving away from his dumbass politics.",
"Overstrum records don't really matter so your first answer was correct. Just found that trivia interesting",
"Dude, I thought I was cool when I played Metallica's \"One\" behind my back that one time at a party and then jumping up to celebrate and breaking a friend's light fixture (I mean I did pay for it), but this is the most insane thing I have ever seen. Holy shit.",
"Nope, no penalty as long as you don't strum (i.e. no penalty on the white notes).",
"[Clone Hero](https://clonehero.net/) on PC kinda helps fill the void. Got my GH controller plugged in and it works great, plus you can usually find any kind of song since they're created by users.",
"Why?",
"I've played both real guitar and guitar hero and they have different skillsets. I'm average at best on both.",
"My question is, do you play real guitar?\n\nI’m sure you could shred if you dedicated the same amount of time.",
"Guitar hero masters rarely play guitar. They are basically unrelated skills.",
"Bullshit",
"The issue I always ran into was the guitars got junky very quickly.",
"So theres a couple things I don’t get about this run. Obviously you cannot strum fast enough to hit these notes, Ive played this song on regular speed and it is difficult to hit all the quick strums even then. \n\nSecond is how are the hammerons working? Hes obviously not htting all of them but they keep working so is it programmed to strum again and help him out if he misses a couple?",
"He does it because he loves us",
"Yes very good explanation! When people support me I really feel like they’re part of the accomplishment",
"It's like getting really good at cooking and then they ask you \"Do you wanna farm?\"",
"I'm sure but for me it's just not the same. I think of one as art and the other as just a game. I can't ever imagine putting a great guitar hero player on the same level as a professional jazz or flamenco guitarist for example.",
"He's probably played this song more times than the actual members of Dragonforce.",
"Just play a real guitar already damn. Could be such a good musician with that dedication",
"That's like comparing a soldier and a CoD player, not the same thing at all.",
"If I could move my hand that fast, I'd never leave the house.",
"Do you also compare fifa players with Messi or Ronaldo? They’re not the same thing dude. Like comparing a plumber to an electrician. Of course they’re different. Wtf",
"So you're playing with a modified GH guitar? Why not just program a microcontroller to input the notes perfectly? :)",
"I mean you could say that about anyone who plays videos games with this level of dedication. Mario speedrunners could also learn how to play the guitar with all those same hours invested. I could have learned the guitar if I'd spent as much time on it as I've spent watching movies. People put time into what they want.",
"Açai has a good video on the wii controllers and adapter, they’re actually faster than 360 guitars and they’re dirt cheap to buy. Worth a look!",
"Gratz man.",
"I haven’t clicked it yet, but I hope it’s the South Park scene where that guy plays an unplugged guitar hero guitar in a restaurant, and someone from another table goes “oh, I love this song”.",
"Hijacking your comment to say well done mate. That was extremely impressive.",
"Timothy Chalamaybe",
"Thank you for sharing, this is the quality content I like to waste time on.",
"I think the price of Wii controllers shot up when the adapter came out a few years ago because they went from notoriously terrible to the best option possible over night.",
"I wish games likes this actually thought you to play an instrument.",
"Rock smith",
"No, but it's the last 2 min of the show when they break the record...and the get made fun of by the game itself.",
"ALRIGHT ALRIGHT ITS DEAD YOU KILLED TTFAF",
"I watched this whole shit... Thanks, Hecz and Pinepark!!!",
"Where doing it at *HRMMM* 150!\n\n\nAny predictions for a run? *single tear*",
"Im just proud that I completed the song on normal speed on expert \n\nThis is just too much hahaha",
"Meth: maybe just once",
"What fuckin madman\n\nKudos",
"This was faster then I first pictured it in my head.",
"***NICE***",
"There are people that practice guitar every day that you’ve never even heard of though, but now you know this guy",
"I was wondering this too. I also noticed for the very first note in the song he didn't strum either.",
"\"Damn you're good at Madden, go pick up a real football already\".\n\nLet people enjoy things the way they want to. No reason to shit on someone just because of a hobby they enjoy.",
"This is such a waste of time",
"He strums at multiple times the speed of normal strumming by “raking” the strum bar with more than one finger, triggering multiple times every time he moves his hand. he did miss plenty of times, but he’s hitting about as many as he can.\n\nHe’s re-strumming with his elbow constantly through those sections to restart the combo when he misses.",
"Well actually thinking about it I know that back in the day people would strum the first note with their elbow so that answers my hammer-on strum question I guess",
"Guitar Hero nerd here, I can answer these.\n\n> Obviously you cannot strum fast enough to hit these notes,\n\nWell, yes and no. When strumming those fast sections, he isn't doing a strict up-and-down motion to correspond to each note. Instead, he's doing what's called rake strumming. When you flick the strum bar with enough force, it actually bounces back and registers multiple strums with one motion. When you combine multiple fingers in an up/down motion, you get WAY more strums to register than if you were to tightly hold the bar and strum normally.\n\n> Second is how are the hammerons working? Hes obviously not htting all of them but they keep working so is it programmed to strum again and help him out if he misses a couple?\n\nThere is no 'help' or 'auto-hit' in Clone Hero (the program used to play the song at this speed). Every note you see hit means that the correct color was pressed at the correct time. Admittedly, a lot of what he's doing is called spamming, or just pressing as many different frets as he can in a somewhat correct sequence to get as many to register as possible. For example, if you have a red -> yellow hammeron, you can press as many colors as you want inbetween those notes, so long as the yellow key is held down when the game expects it to be hit. As for strumming after missing a note, he is doing that with his elbow.",
"Nice bro. I was watching in disbelief. I was never coordinated enough and just didn't want to learn. I'd watch friends smash out songs not even a fraction as fast as you played and be amazed. That was fuckin lit dude good job.",
"Oh ok thats dope thanks for the info!",
"I'm not CarnyJared, but it is likely due to the fact that TTFAF is the most iconic song out of the whole of Guitar Hero.",
"Um yeah I would agree. Being an actual soldier is infinitely more impressive and admirable.",
"Doesn't that only count on normal notes? The white (mashable) notes don't have that right?",
"I don't get it, I am agreeing with you. Obviously a fifa player and Messi aren't the same thing. When did I say they were? I was saying a guitar player and a guitar hero player aren't the same thing also.",
"So what? I still have more respect for the thousands of unnamed players honing their skills on the guitar than I do for this guy.",
"Was that a thing in GH3? Or is it specific to Clone Hero?",
"actually knowing how to play a song on guitar can be a handicap with it because muscle memory will try and have you hit wrong buttons at wrong times on the guitar hero chart",
"I'm actually still playing Rock Band 3 on my 360. I have a wireless Les Paul that is still in great working condition, but both of my Xplorers have died one way or another.",
"O I know I'm gonna get downvotes. Don't care. Always thought guitar hero was kinda lame.",
"Congrats. Nobody asked.",
"My very talented drummer friend played Rock Band when it came out and was just totally turned off by how not the same it is. Like they are obviously related and not a TOTALLY different skill set, but basically being the king of one doesn't grant a free ride on the other. It's like being a Halo or CS pro: that doesn't mean you can head to the gun range and just light up the targets, right? \n\nEither way this is amazing work man, nicely done.",
"They tried and failed. Guitar hero's attempt was terrible with the shitty new guitar they put out and then rock band 4 was just an attempt at a cash grab with terrible support. \n\n\nI still have all the rock band 4 gear in my closet for ps4 (except the mic because my dog chewed through the wire). But I bought 5 songs right when i got rock band 4 because i was excited about the come back. Wasn't able to access the songs I bought for more than a year.",
"when he goes \"i think we did it\" i'm like ok just a few long presses left, and then at4p2398 haewfp9awihgiopaht24pawehtgfpawzOIThgpwaoithaoptihawtihwapetwaektawegfasedgawergrawger",
"Any % speed run?",
"Do they say things like “that’s not at all what real guitar is like?”",
"\\> I wouldn't be surprised if either Guitar Hero or Rockband release something in the next few years to tap into that sweet nostalgia cash.\n\nthey tried this with rock band 4 and guitar hero live in 2015, and it was a resounding failure. guitar hero live was hot trash, and rock band 4 was a cash grab that had terrible support from the devs. rock band 4 was everything we loved about the original, but i bought several songs on launch that i didn't get to touch for more than a year because they did jack shit to fix their game for a long time.",
"Everyone else is out here getting bored of \"normal\" VR lightsaber dancing so they've already moved on to Staff or Feet Saber, and then there's this guy who spent the last 14 years practicing a Guitar Hero 3 song until he could beat it at nearly 300% speed. That's some dedication, lmao.",
"This is a bit of a non sequitur, but I find the use of plurals from twitch streamers annoying. 'we' didn't do anything, you did and I just watch. The game can't fuck 'us' just you.\n\nI get they're fostering community, but I think it's more realistic to admit that only one of 'us' has agency in what's happening in this case.",
"I am impressed, but the boomer side of me is still thinking \"imagine if he learned to play a real guitar...\"",
"So this music",
"Imagine if he put this much effort into practicing a real guitar",
"\"We did it\"? That's a good way to get and keep fans but the people can you imagine watching a video and then saying, \"We did it\", to the person who achieved something?",
"guitar hero is essentially just a game, and doing these thing is just the same people who want to get the highest score or more like the speedrunners folks, much less alike to a music nerd",
"The Konami ones (which were all released before Guitar Hero / Rock Band) did have some full instrument mimic-play in arcades. Drum Mania being the perfect example. [GITADORA is a friggin' e-drum set](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/GITADORA_XG_Standard.JPG/1280px-GITADORA_XG_Standard.JPG). It doesn't actually teach you how to paradiddle, but the pattern will be really easy if you know how to paradiddle.\n\nKeyboard Mania was a 2-octave (synth) keyboard that you played.",
"Nice, is that a USB guitar hero controller or a different plug?",
"Nice",
"Parasocial relationships.",
"Just passing this song back when it came people were like O.O",
"Why not just play a real instrument then?",
"It was a thing since GH4 IIRC",
"Rock band Beatles and drunk me was awesome",
"This is impressive sure, but God damn this is hard to watch",
"Those laws haven't really changed since Guitar Hero's heyday. Why would that be an issue now?",
"Nice",
"I promise you that if this dude put the same amount of time into a real guitar, he would know how to perfectly nail multiple songs\n\nMemorizing the inputs for this song is also literally the definition of repetitive practice so not sure what you mean there lol",
"The only time I've ever seen fingers move that fast before was when I watched Koreans play Starcraft.",
"What does FC mean?",
"wow and i couldn't actually care any less than i already do!",
"When I play I break out my original X360 Guitar Hero 2 Explorer (wired) still the best one I have used for any GH/Rockband game.",
"Nice",
"Any idea where I can get a rock band guitar for PS4? I can’t find one anywhere :/",
"Literally the most impressive feat of gaming I've ever seen. Genuinely watched the whole thing with my jaw practically on the floor.",
"I'm gonna need Summoning Salt to give me a history lesson, but in any case, my wrists and shoulders got extremely tired just watching this.",
"I still remember just barely finishing the song at my buddy's place and him and our other friends losing their minds cause I was the only one of us who could do that.\n\nFast forward a decade or so, and my hands cramp up so much and are sore so often I doubt I could finish the beginner levels of this game",
"there is a game, it's called Metronome\n\nbut for real, playing an instrument is way more fun than any of these games. you have infinite freedome, there is a limitless amount of progression, a huge community, and it gets more and more rewarding the deeper you progress.",
"Dude, I don’t understand how you have enough brain left to talk during that run. Holy shit",
"I'm amazed at the engineering feat of such an old console controller being able to take so many inputs.",
"Nice.",
"Two thoughts:\n\n(1) How is there still any paint on that guitar if you're playing like this a lot?\n\n(2) I love the part where it's like \"I think we did it\" as it hits an easy part... and then immediately it goes back into madness.",
"lol wtf downvotes you for this comment. I noticed it too!",
"Herman Li died when he saw the 165% perfect run.\n\nWe are now using him spinning in his grave as a source of infinite energy.",
"Yeah no. He's literally button mashing his hammer ons.",
"lul I remember getting banned from one of the subbredits for posting this :D\n\nedit: [Found it](https://i.imgur.com/KgBlrze.jpg). It was actually a speedrun subreddit :D What an irony. I think it was also related to guitar hero.",
"BUH-RO",
"nice",
"275% is still less than Dragonforce speeds up their recordings.",
"Maybe he just really enjoys playing a game.",
"Oh, so he didn’t really do it.",
"Synthriders, Boombox, Audio Trip, Audica...\n\nThere are a few now lol.",
"Ha. My fav part.",
"MILKTAR",
"Through the Fire and Flames at normal speed sounds like a ballad now",
"He did it in that he passed, which doesn't require 100%. If you miss a certain amount in a row you'll fail. He didn't.",
"That guy only plays freefalling at 200%.",
"USB-C eh?",
"I really want to say a South Park quote right now.\n\nEDIT: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoBd50FeXA&t=30s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoBd50FeXA&t=30s)",
"Well done. \n\nBe mindful of yours eyes. You didn't blink once there!! Lol It can cause long term issues.",
"You’re a fuckin animal buddy. Mad respect.",
"Dude this was awesome and I haven't played this game for like a decade. Keep doing you! You're killing it.",
"If you miss a certain amount it stops the song and you fail. He didn't fail.",
"You're doing yourself a great disservice the longer you put off picking up the real thing. You've already built some excellent finger dexterity so you'll hit the ground running. I waited and waited and eventually started in my 30's and I kick myself everyday for not learning when I was younger.",
"It seems like the connection between rock band and drums is streets ahead of the connection between rock band and guitars though.",
"Okay. What are you playing on and where did you get that guitar controller? I used to 95% this on normal speed and I must try this",
"I want a browser extension that plays this guy saying \"nice\" after every work email I send out.",
"Hell yeah dude, that was sick",
"Hell yeah dude, that was sick",
"Ah so you're one of those \"if I mash the clitoris hard and fast enough I'm a good sex man\" type of guys eh?",
"1243\n\nedit: fuck",
">Is it another stupid question to ask whether it’s better to dedicate that time and energy at learning real guitar?\n\nYes. \n\nThere are plenty of guitar players. If someone wants to push the boundaries in a niche skill like this, that's way more interesting to me.",
"Your APM is insane. You hit 3220 notes in 2m45s ... that's over 1170 actions per minute!",
"The fastest speed this has been full comboed at is 165% speed by Will. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtEeDUeBrMg",
"(2) they know what's coming, and where the \"hardest parts\" are. you hit a point that you know you have the ending.",
"I actually really liked Guitar Hero live. It felt like the final step of what the games should have been in terms of the UI and presentation.",
"And on the flip side of that, rock band drums taught me how to play real drums lol. I couldn’t afford a real set but rock band gave me a way to practice. It definitely teaches you about hand eye coordination and foot/hand separation and when I got a real set I could already jam to some basic pop rock songs\n\nBut I totally relate to your first point too. My brother has been playing guitar for 20+ years and he could never get the hang of guitar hero.",
"I'm old. I don't get it.",
"What?",
"Man, imagine what this level of focus could do if it was channeled into something productive.",
"I mean guitar hero live alienated their core audience by totally changing the control scheme. I (and I'm sure many others) went from being able to 99%+ most songs on expert in the other games to barely being able to play at all with the new control scheme, and like... I'd rather just not lol. I imagine a lot of others felt the same way.",
"He didn’t really do a thing that no one claimed he did, yes.",
"I actually fell in love with rock band drums, bought a drum kit, and eventually ended up in a garage band. Here’s my take:\n\nThe very basic concept of hands and feet doing different things at different speeds is transferable. Learning the “timing” of a simple 4/4 rock beat translates like 90%. BUT! You’ve got to learn how to hold the sticks and let them bounce. Where and how hard to strike the drum or cymbal. Learning how to ride the hat and work it to the beat. There are absolutely a ton of skills to learn at first, but the rhythm and basic timing you learn is more or less transferable. If you love rock band drums you might have a good time with real drums and you WILL pick it up faster than those with 0 experience.",
"All I know is that just watching him play makes my neck hot.",
"I'm using [one of those babies](https://www.ebay.com/itm/265404611978?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=265404611978&targetid=1263433206934&device=m&mktype=&googleloc=1013848&poi=&campaignid=14859008593&mkgroupid=130497710760&rlsatarget=pla-1263433206934&abcId=9300678&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQiAtJeNBhCVARIsANJUJ2GXwZ9-lqL4GtYbOyrWtzKLRp1UDPX9yZDPWA0N2-KOYR3EIoVE4GQaAtOpEALw_wcB) and it connects through the original USB adapter to my computer.",
"He's probably knee deep in clunge already and doesn't need to learn the real thing",
"Paul McCartney famously got beat by his grandchildren in Beatles rock band",
"Fortunately, there's Rocksmith to ease the transition to real guitar.",
"This really puts it into perspective. Pro SC2 players are green with envy lol",
"Maybe he was turned off not because he wasn't just as talented as he was on real drums, but because the experience of playing music is completely different to the experience of playing a music video game and he prefers to make music and not play video games?",
"I've seen this song done a bunch. Is there a particular reason it is used more than others? Is it the hardest in the game?",
"They're claiming that DragonForce doesn't record their songs at the speed they are played at. Like, the record it by playing a reasonable pace then speed up the track to make it sound more impressive. \n\nI don't know enough (or care enough) to see if it's true or not but I believe that's the claim they are making.",
"so this is the result of all that NNN energy",
"It's so bizarre I have to explain all these whipper snappers what Guitar Hero is.",
"R/unexpectedcommunity",
"Interesting. I bought GH3 for the PC at salvation army for $4.99 and still have the controller. Clone hero is the best.",
"What did I just watch lmao",
"Nice",
"Lol I thought they were implying the opposite (as a joke). Like that dragon force plays it so fast they have to slow it down before they can release it to the public.",
"Damn these kids with their new fangled video games! Get off my lawn!!",
"If i didn't already have anxiety, this gave it to me.",
"He’s not hitting them all is he? Regardless how the fuck is this even possible?",
"Guitar player who doesn't enjoy guitar hero here. I'll give you that they aren't \"totally different\" as you said. But they are significantly different enough to be incredibly frustrating at times. \n\nA couple of examples..1) as you move up the fret board on a real guitar, the pitch always gets higher. Well in guitar hero sometimes the higher pitches in a tune move back down the fret board which is disorienting 2) an actual guitar is more forgiving in that if I pluck a strung with my finger on a fret I'm going to get a noise. In guitar hero, if your timing isn't almost perfect you get nothing besides a weird missed note noise. I do understand there's a few milliseconds on either side of the displayed \"note\" but it just feels different. I also realize that timing is a critical component in making quality music haha but there's something way off about the overall feel of the game to me.\n\nAll that said I'm not knocking the game. Obviously people love it. And I know at least one person who can shred both. Just offering my perspective",
"I think at this point it wraps around from poor aggressive pounding to actual human vibrator",
"I have 2 in my basement if you wanna drop by and pick them up.",
"Its actually an almost two decades-old children's game emulating an actual instrument that he's still playing instead of developing a skill.",
"When you make ADHD your super power. \n\nGood lord, I have a hard time keeping up at medium, this was insane. Looks like it's just random stabbing at the buttons. Amazing how people are able to work at these speeds.",
"Seeing these videos makes me want to play this game and learn the song. Then I remember Rocksmith allows one to play Through the Fire and Flames on Master mode without the keys strokes on the screen. Just your brain and memory.",
"I bet his girls pussy catches fire when he fingers her.",
"\"Played\"",
"Works on Linux too!",
"I heard that rumor from a guy that was going to their concert. He told me that they aren't as good to watch in person because they can't actually play that fast.\n\nI don't know why he wanted to go to their concert then, and don't know if speeding it up was true. Just saying what a guy once told me.",
"They were implying the opposite. I was confused by that comment you responded to for a second haha. Glad you cleared that up",
"Definitely was in gh3",
"True Story: Hung out with 2 members of Dragonforce at NAAM and one of 'em was so wasted he proceeded to pour a Coors Light onto his hand and not the Solo cup. The rest of the night was a blackout.",
"How do you know he hasn’t developed skills? Streaming can make you a lot of money. Even without streaming for a career You can play video games and have life skills. I play a ton of video games and have a job making over 100k a year. Games are entertainment and if he is enjoying himself who the fuck are we to judge?",
"That’s what I thought as well, and then did a little google dive after the reply. Apparently people think they can’t play their music live, and speed up recordings. Yet there are videos of them live and people saying they sound good live so that’s interesting",
"bad interpretation on your part",
"So, are you basically the best there is at this? I can't imagine anyone being better.",
"I am also a guitarist and I agree with all of this :)",
"Haha that's awesome.",
"He’s hitting hammer ons. You don’t have to strum for those so he’s using both hands to hit the buttons since it’s too fast to just do it with one.",
"It always confuses me when people premptively reveal something funny that happens in a video. Particularly when most of the time, half the reason something is funny is because it's unexpected and surprising.",
"What a daft suggestion.",
"Making money doesn't equal being productive. Steamers aren't really people to idolize. They form parasocial with children and lonely adults and milk them for all they can. This guy could have learned to actually play an instrument, or maybe write a book. Or do literally anything besides waste his life playing guitar hero on 275% speed.",
"Pretty much spot on. You're penalized for improvising fills, which is too bad, but I get that they have to score you on accuracy.",
"Oh my God his fucking face. He looks like he staggered out of a burning building. I feel bad but I can't stop laughing.",
"I like seeing people get so happy about something I don't care about at all. I'm happy for him.",
"GH2 had it I'm pretty sure.",
"How many years or hours does it take to get to this level?",
"You mean like jumping to conclusions and assuming you know everything about somebody and his life choices? He could spend his time on 4chan and talking down to people he knows nothing about on Reddit like you right? The kid is 21 years old. Used to work in a traveling carnival with his dad. He has hardly wasted his life playing a video game now and then.",
"When your girl has to masterbate by 5pm and play clone hero by 5:03…the clit destroyer 3000",
"Man...I bet you never failed a Test Your Might round in Mortal Kombat.\n\nInsane! Congrats!",
"I'm not sure if that's a rumor that started when they were younger, because I used to hear it too, but those guitarists are definitely very good - especially Herman Li.\n\n\nI think one reason people think it's sped up is because they don't realize that both guitarists are playing parts of the solo at the same time when they're [live](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rK_d5g3pBb8&t=4m10s).",
"I grow ghost peppers and wouldn’t eat one. Respect.",
"Reminds me of [John Petrucci](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdE9OBqpKUA)",
"Now and then? You watch the video? Your youth is your most precious gift. It shouldn't be wasted. Especially if you have the capacity to do great things.",
"BRO\n\n*^(ah ah ah ah ahh)*",
"Are you strumming with your elbow to pick up dropped hammer ons?\n\nAlso I'm pretty sure the GH3 controller at least was good enough that you could reliably move your hand up (I'm sure I remember doing it on this song)",
"I loved guitar hero when I was younger and wondered how to get it now. Do I buy a guitar controller? Do I need a playstation or xbox? Or can I plug it up to a pc? I’m in Europe as well so don’t know if there are any builders/sellers here?",
"I could never even beat it on hard :(\n\nSorry to hear about your hands",
"Streets ahead? Pierce what does that even mean?",
"Pretty much all bands play faster live unless they’ve got a click track in their ear",
"it was definitely a mix of that and also going away from the cartoon graphics to something more real.",
"Say it",
"I cannot for the life of me find a cable for rockband.",
"[Alright, let's go!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beAdysmgzPQ&t=3s)",
"or from the ghost peppers. This is the first clip I ever saw from the same guy lol https://youtu.be/0lZiHFv85uM",
"Yeah, I played for like 90 minutes and never again due to the guitar change. Being able to beat this song on expert and then being trash instantly was a big let down.",
"They are definitely sloppy live, but they can definitely play the stuff they write.",
"Yeah there's not much going on there that an experienced guitar player can't do. They're good guitarists but I'm not sure why people think that what they do is impossible at full speed. Maybe it's the crazy noises.",
"Do you think the ability, determination, and perseverance it takes to achieve a world record in a video game could not be usable in life? This kid will do fine. He is 21. Long life ahead of him.",
"I really have no idea what they were thinking. It was so obviously a terrible move.",
"Should learn the regular guitar.",
"How much does a good modern guitar cost? I like rhythm games, I've played quite a few, and I used to play Rock Band at the office, but I've never owned Guitar Hero or Rock Band. I've considered getting into Clone Hero before, but I wouldn't know where to get a decent guitar.",
"The wank is strong in this one.",
"How do you change a guitar control scheme that badly? What did they do?",
"Is he accurately hitting the notes? Or is he spamming all of the notes, and by doing so it registers as each notes being hit?",
"If he practiced that hard at guitar, he could play the music some famous person takes credit for.",
"That’s almost the password to my luggage!",
"Yeah some bands will prioritize a fun show over an exacting performance. I saw In Flames and Opeth one night and they were on opposite sides of this spectrum. In Flames was sloppy but a party, while Opeth played masterfully but didn't even walk around.",
"I think they came back a little too early. Everyone was still kind of over it, but if one came out in the next couple of years like Rock Band/Guitar Hero Classic with a bunch of songs from the old ones, I think it'd do well.\n\nThis analysis is based on fuck all, though.",
"He's spamming all the notes and it registers as it being hit in those segments.",
"You clearly haven't seen osu!mania pros. [Behold](https://youtu.be/PvBlCGK-STs)\n\nAlso, there is a person who has finished the entire modern FromSoft catalogue (the dark souls trilogy, demon souls, bloodborne and sekiro) back to back, without leveling up or getting hit",
"I can't get past needing to do the extended fly. Just couldn't figure that one out lol",
"That’s exactly what I’m saying guy. He could have done something instead of this. The only people who are wasting their lives more than this guy are the world record holding speed runners.",
"I've never seen less energy on a stage before",
"That is to marathon running what this is to sprinting, people are too damn impressive.",
"I think i would want to see opeth play masterfully more than fun. Their melodies are just absolutely incredible",
"Through the Carpal Tunnel and Inflamed Tendons",
"Yea drums I can see a bit more skill being retained but I feel like it’s suuuuper clear the guitar is absolutely nothing like a real one. The buttons are located up and down the neck instead of holding down the tiny individual strings that go from side to side on the neck. The strumming is also similar in that sense. Iv seen this question asked to ppl good at guitar hero b4 and everytime I ask myself if that person asking the question has even ever actually seen a real guitar in their life Lmaoo. Other things r very clearly different too but those seem to jump out at u as being nothing alike to even an idiot lol",
"Jared, the fact that this isnt the first time you've randomly shown up in my reddit feed is insane. GG on yet another mammoth accomplishment!\n\nBut like, not an FC + you fell off + plate + ratio",
"Don't lie; this is how most people look during fapping sessions",
"For sure. It was a fun night! Thankfully Opeth was the headliner so I could rest after going hard during In Flames",
"Yeah but can he play John The Fisherman?",
"You could say he went into the fire and flames.",
"Some people go to the gym to get into shape. This man plays on a guitar controller.",
"I mean like actually creating music hitting an instrument that reverbrates vs hitting the pads and having the tv play prerecorded music back to you\n\nIs different",
"So this is Clone Hero? Where do you get that guitar controller?",
"How early was this? I would LOVE to hear The Drapery Falls live lol. And also Patterns In the Ivy (1 & 2; cuz im a sucker for metal bands doing soft songs lol)",
"I was wondering that. If they speed up the recordings %300 how tf could they do live shows lol? But they probably do em a bit slowed like %200 or something maybe? Probably play it a bit worse/sloppy too. I’m talking out my ass tho. These r guesses lol",
"It was a hell of a challenge. I will readily admit that some sections I still remember were sheer luck that I didn't fail, but man what a rush to finish that song. Really have to wonder what the dev team was saying to themselves when whoever was responsible for that song finished setting it up. \n\nAs for my hands, thanks. I know arthritis and such runs in the family, though it (so far) doesn't appear to be as bad as some have had it.",
"He fingered a girl once, she died.",
"if you take out the music and the keypad sounds the things he says could be equally applicable to a gay threesome.",
"Yes, at least it was in Guitar Hero III",
"Dragonforce is probably one of the few who play slower live.",
"86%",
"I can excuse it, but I'm just personally a pretty big fan of Herman Li himself lol. Here's a [video](https://youtu.be/Jz2JLgTU8hA&t=4m55s) of him playing a solo while in a pool of a cruise ship",
"Nice.",
"Is it like miles ahead?",
"As someone who was once #1 in GH2 and 3, I say \"lol wtf\"",
"But why?",
"Similar in the sense that you need to practice, practice and practice. You can't pick up the guitar and start playing, but if you have the same mindset, patience and and nifty fingers, it will definitely help you learn it quicker.",
"Judging from his YouTube channel, this is all the guy does. This is what he chose to be great at and stuck with it.",
"Nice.",
"Yeah, I get why people were interested in 100% runs early on. But the idea of creating new records by ramping up the speed is just cringe to me. The song doesn't sound good, this is just about taking Adderall and mashing buttons. Like it's an impressive feat, but they're also just inventing a category for competition that most people aren't participating in.",
"now THATS an alternative sexual archetype! ('Fastest Hedgehog')",
"Yup, as well as GH1 and 2. Hammer-ons at least",
"I have a feeling this guy could have been a decent guitar player...",
"Also Old School RuneScape which at its core is a rhythm game that just disguises itself as and idle point and click adventure game for the first 500 hours.",
"One of my best game purchases ever. Got me back into playing after like a decade of not playing at all (and years of playing with the plastic GH and RB guitars)",
"I feel that man, I worked the better part of a summer holidays on getting through TTFAF, and that rush when I finished it? Unreal. \n\nAnd the game was promptly relegated to a party trick directly afterwards. No way I was gonna try for a second completion.",
"$100.....\n\nI remember when Circuit City closed down my local one had a massive pile of these for $20/ea, then $15/ea, down to $5/ea. \n\nI bought 4 or 5 because they were notorious for being useless right out of the box, but when you got one that was perfect....*chef's kiss*",
"December 2014, so wayyy after Blackwater Park was released",
"what's funny is that i remember when this came out I was speaking with a friend at the time, and I remember saying something about not believing that there was any chance that anyone could *ever* get a perfect score this song, and I was only talking about 100% speed. I bet hundreds of people have done that by now. \n\nThe fact that anyone can do it at 275% absolutely blows my mind.",
"I saw them live back in 2007 and I was very impressed. The slop mostly came down to the fact that they were all goofing off on stage, doing spin jumps on little trampolines and trying to kick each other in the nuts the whole time lol.",
"Ohwell; still jealous of the experience! 🤘",
"As someone who could play on expert without looking at the screen in college and then switched to actual guitar for 10 years… I agree with this analysis.",
"My hand got a cramp cuz I was clenching my fork really hard watching this. Mouth agape the whole time.",
"Slightly out of his wheelhouse, but he'd make a damn good video about how it would work.",
"It's not quite the same, but VR Rhythm games like Beat Saber are pretty incredible. (and also have some insanely fast people)",
"Beat saber has been scratching that itch for me lately. And the community is fairly active in the mapping of new songs",
"I lost my shit there, the absolute dedication...",
"Woah spoilers",
"God damn.... I bet your gf LOVES you!!",
"ghost pepper salsa is my favorite. Also ghost pepper stuffed olives are really good but more than 2 and you can feel them making their way through your body.",
"Someone warn this man not to masturbate, he'll set his dick on fire.",
"But why",
"Oh yea I make hot sauce with them and all sorts of stuff. But I wouldn’t eat one raw.",
"[just play this over any video and it'll feel like a summoning salt video\n](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQX7Zub0ZdI)",
"1. I imagine the fret buttons are molded with colored plastic, rather than painted over.",
"I need a timeline where Dragonforce sees this and reacts...",
"Someone else already made a Video on TTFAF and the history of someone FC'ing it at 150% (or was it 200%? been a while since I've seen it, perhaps 2018ish?)",
"Not 100% certain how the new controller worked. Didn't get it because i wasn't interested in learning something new (i have a real guitar if i want to learn something new)\n\nBut at it's core, the old scheme was 5 buttons all in a row that represented going up and down the frets. The new scheme was 6 buttons in 2 rows of 3.\n\nI suppose i shouldn't have said it's trash because I'm not generally one to knock something until I try it. But to the other person's point, i played on the old guitar for years. I had no interest in learning something new. Particularly given that rock band 4 came out the same week, and it had all the stuff i was used to and was jonesing for.",
"[Relevant South Park](https://youtu.be/8Zb629CHOxE?t=17)\n\n\"Buh.. But this is real...\"\n\n\"Real guitars are gay.\"",
"Basically instead of 5 frets on one string like GH and Rock Band have always been, GH Live changed it by having 3 frets on 2 strings, 6 buttons total instead of 5. It’s kind of hard to explain so basically you had three frets with 2 buttons a piece (one button for up, and one for down). It really changed the game and I believe they did it because the developers knew every fan was basically playing expert easily so they wanted to give you a challenge again like when GH first started. But people just did not like the change.",
"This one song has just been attempted a billion times right? Like, if someone asks you to do another song randomly, can you do it?",
"It could be that each of the band members has a bottle of jack with a straw, attached to their microphone stands lol",
"You know what would be fucking awesome? Guitar hero vr. Not sure how they'd make the interface work, but it'd be so immersive.",
"It is; I was also quoting the episode.",
"People used to think that about Megadeth and their early stuff like Mechanix. They can indeed play that song just as fast live.",
"Dude maybe just learn the guitar at this point?",
"Guitar Hero and Rockband could reasonably relaunch and be able to potentially sell any song with a guitar in it as an add on and they would make a killing",
"Sometimes I worry ab if I spend my time wisely, this guy tells me I have nothing to worry ab",
"Well yeah, I don't think he sat down with the plastic drum kit and expected them to produce music.",
"Looks fake",
"It is so rare that I laugh out loud excitedly at how impressed and impossible looking something is\n\nYou killed it, great work :)",
"BUT CAN HE PLAY IT ACOUSTICALLY?!?",
"This that wholesome shit I like.",
"Lol omfg... thank you for just linking right to the middle of the video so it just pops up with him gasping, I'm crying laughing",
"His poor poor dick on a lonely afternoon",
"Oh gosh, I loved in flames live. :) brings me back to my jesterhead days.",
"Does anybody still make Rock Band drum sets? I'd love a new one. Or a Guitar Hero drum set will do but I've played Rock Band drums for years.",
"This is some funny shit",
"This is what that song felt like when I first tried it when GH3 released.",
"Real question. When does the fun stop?\nWhen does it stop being a game?\n\nWhen does it stop being playing DragonForce on a guitar video game and turn into pushing a specific set of buttons really quickly in the right pattern for internet points?\n\nI’m sorry. I just don’t understand speedrunning culture",
"To be fair, Opeth shows are part masterful performance, part Mikael Akerfeldt stand-up",
"Yo /u/CarnyJared how long does each guitar last you? I feel that it will break quite fast.",
"Funny how that worked better on you.",
"How does he not have carpal tunnel lmao",
"I listened to their Clayman album a lot during my teens. Couldn't get my hands on The Jester Race until later. \n\n\nWell time to get high and relisten to some oldies lol",
"Is he a the matrix??",
"You’re literally wasting time browsing reddit. By your logic What’s the point of doing anything if it’s not productive?",
"Just a question from a person who never plays Guitar Hero before; are there penalties when pressing wrong buttons? He seems to mash buttons over some difficult parts and pass through. In some music game that would drain the life gauge down very quickly.",
"Yeah. Oversaturated, and once it was no longer at all new, people just kind of moved on.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThough, I feel like I was still seeing them with a Rock Band (or something similar) setup on the show floor at PAX every year, pre-pandemic.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThey have to find a way to make it exciting again to get the hype they need for people to actually buy all the the expensive controllers. Not sure how they can do that... maybe instead they can find a good way to sell it to a new generation that never played the originals.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI don't know if a nostalgia cash-grab works here. Having a full Rock Band setup is quite the commitment. Looks like the last one cost $250 at launch, they take up space in your home, and you need to get a group over to really get your money's worth out of it.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI think nostalgia might work better when it can be impulse purchased for $60 and fits on your shelf.",
"Just don't quote that or you'll get at least a temp ban from Reddit.",
"This is cool but imagine this singular dedication being put towards something useful or at least entertaining. I mean his reaction at the end is awesome and he’s obviously a master at what he does, but idk seems like 10,000 hours wasted.",
"You're right I'm seriously wasting my time. You could say I'm an expert at it.",
"He’s probably gonna make more money and get more enjoyment doing this than fiddling with a guitar alone in his room. Why not learn an instrument or work out instead of browsing Reddit or YouTube or other social media sites?",
"Gotta love the dedication.",
">I was semi-decent at expert drums.\n\nThen you were/are semi decent at real drums. The drum kit in those games was literally just a mini electric drum kit. If you learned a song in the game then it pretty much meant you could play it on an actual drum kit (with the exception of a real kit being significantly bigger)",
"NICE",
"It's the actual title of the episode.",
"Bruh",
"Yeah but did he ever do 333% and get 333million points?\n\nhttps://youtu.be/SSOLPCRCLY0",
"Just don't compare them. Why would you? It's like me saying well it's cool your painting was featured in a gallery and all, but my buddy is a doctor. Like ??? Okay",
"Yeah, but don't quote the last bit of the video. I said it once related to their Harley episode and got a 3 day ban from Reddit because they're assholes.",
"Fair.",
"I think a definitive edition in a few years once the current gen consoles are more widely accessible would be badass. Once for each game. Includes as many tracks as they can fit from old games plus an online option for downloading new tracks and maybe even a song creation tool to ensure there’s some longevity to the game’s lifespan.",
"Epic Games just bought Harmonix, the company that made Frequency, Amplitude, Guitar Hero, and Rockband, so I think that may well be on the horizon.\n\nI imagine they will sell individual songs as MTX or something, as that would fit their existing business model.",
"Whoa, that works? Dang, I've got to see if my parents still have our old GH controllers in the basement then!",
"Idk, just a random thought.",
"Nice.",
"You’re awesome dude! Super entertaining stuff.",
"[Believe this is pretty similar](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC7gdClA13o)",
"Her: come over\nHim: can't I have a guitar hero tournament\nHer: my parents aren't home",
"Pretty sloppy, but I give credit because pool. Can't imagine playing would be easier while wet.",
"Maybe stupid question, but what is a good setup for playing guitar hero these days? Can you get all/most of the songs?",
"Ditto!",
"Buckethead gives good shows",
"Do you view being incredibly good at a video game as just being less impressive in general? I can kind of see your point about \"value\", but that's a pretty subjective measurement. But speaking as someone who also plays both real guitar and guitar hero, with the amount of practice and skill it takes to get to a point like this, I can't see how this would be any less impressive than being really good at guitar. So while I can see that not everyone would value each skill the same way (although nowadays, if we're talking financially, there definitely is a lot of money to be made if you're good at video games), I still feel they're both impressive as they would both take an insane amount of time and effort to accomplish.\n\nIn any case, I did always found it a bit weird for people to make this comparison between guitar hero and real guitar because it's as if people playing guitar hero are like, looking for an easy way to pretend they can play guitar, when they're literally just playing a normal video game. People don't go to Beat Saber players and say \"you should learn how to REALLY dual wield swords\". Some people are into video games, some people are into music and arts, and these groups may not always overlap, and I personally am more in favor of people just doing what they enjoy rather than what they feel more obligated to do because it brings more \"value\" to society, or some similar reason.",
"If you don't know, you're streets behind",
"Nah fuck metronome\n\nThe real game is called \"half learn a song from a youtube tutorial, and never practice that hard bit in time\"",
"There are dozens of us!",
"Lol it's a fucking game, of course he's playing the song. Cause you play games. What other verb would you suggest? No one is insinuating that he'd be able to play this on an actual guitar.",
"Now fc it",
"Since you seem to genuinely not understand (and a lot of people have this misconception), let me give you some perspective. \n\nRhythm games are in some ways similar to popular fighting games, in that they are actually nothing like the real thing, and the reasons people play them are different than the reasons people do the real thing.\n\nFor example compare boxing and smash bros, the only similarities they have are \"people punching each other\", but the skills and actual activity involved have virtually nothing in common. There's a very high chance that someone who likes smash bros would have absolutely no interest in fighting IRL, and vice versa. \n\nSimilarly rhythm games and instruments actually have very little in common, other than playing along to music. Rhythm games are much more about reaction speed, raw mechanics, and \"reading\" (being able to interpret what's on screen and execute it quickly). There are actually a lot of high level rhythm game players who also play real life instruments in their spare time for fun. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nFor a non-guitar hero example, look up gameplay of the game \"osu!\". It has no resemblance to a real-life instrument whatsoever. The reason's you'd play a game like that are completely different than the reasons you'd learn a real life instrument. Also games like beat saber, or geometry dash, are good examples of this.",
"Lmao you got me",
"> Through the fire and flames has been **passed** at 275% speed\n\nHe did in fact really do it.",
"Congrats on the record!",
"Same. You played Guitar Hero enough to reach 1 Million points. You. Are. F***",
"It might be the keyboard effects too. Some of the keyboard effects can sound like hyper sped up guitars sometimes. But then anyone with a brain that listens to dragon force knows they have a keyboardist, so I dunno",
"The Doctor would like to know his location.",
"Yeah for me Rock*smith* actually helped a lot. You still have to practice almost every day, especially early on, but as soon as you can 'nail' a song it starts to become *fun*.\n\nThe hardest part for me was getting past the 'extreme newbie phase,' where your fingers hurt, it's mildly unpleasant to play, etc. *Especially* early on, I felt like if I went a week I'd almost completely forget everything.",
"Synthriders is so good. I like it better than Beat Saber TBH.",
"I'm saying he tried it out and wasn't a fan of the experience it sounds like. Not necessarily because he wasn't as good on it.",
"He is strumming with his elbow. You have to be mashing for your life as well as react to when the combo breaks and awkwardly strum with your elbow to restart the hammer ons",
"His fucking face covered in milk concentrating so damn hard has me crying",
"I've seen Opeth twice and they were both sides of the spectrum. I think it might be time constraints. The first time I learned that Mikael's name translates to Michael Fieldfield. The second time, they basically said nothing. The first, they headlined, the second they didn't.\n\nEdit: they played really well both times.",
"My man responding to chat at the same time.",
"I was pretty good at this game back in the day... I could 5 star all of the regular songs on expert. This guy makes me look like an amateur and then some. I don't even understand how he did that.",
"Hey that’s cool as shit compared to being great at nothing",
"The later games were shit compared to the first two\n\nI guarantee you there are a bunch of mid 30 something's that would buy a guitar hero game if it replicated 1 or 2 with an updated song list.\n\nWouldn't even be an expensive game to make.\n\nAnd I'm not all on the oh the old games are always better kick. They just tried to go away beyond what made the game fun",
"[All I can think of](https://youtu.be/7F_v_KV5wYI?t=29)",
"I feel like this just restored my faith in humanity somehow. Peak internet, thank you.",
"Yeah my brain hurts trying to read this.",
"I never said my statement was objective or anything. It's completely subjective and based only on my values and my opinions. Lots of people will agree with me and lots won't, and that's fine. But yeah, in general I guess I think video games are a lesser artform or skill than other things. And I have no problem with video games, I play them all the time. And I'm good at some of them too. But for example, I'm also a very good swimmer. Good enough to swim D1 in college in the US if that means anything to you. I'm infinitely more proud of that because I see swimming as a superior discipline both because of the athletic component but also because of I see it as more skillful. Maybe to be it's more \"real\" if that makes any sense. With guitar hero and actual guitar it's the same.",
"I see you are a man of culture as well",
"Epic just bought Rockband and Guitar Hero",
"I have no interest in guitar hero but I'm subbing to this guy because it's quality content",
"\"Oh he plays acoustic\" fuckin best line from that episode.",
"Oh shit! I always thought it was an original music piece, the more you know",
"Haha man you guys are tough critics. He's like literally being carried on the shoulders of one dude in the pool while another guy is supporting both ass cheeks with his hands to keep his butt out of the water while they run circles together.",
"Confirmed. I've been playing guitar for 25+ years; I am dog shit at Guitar Hero. I've also been playing drums for ~20 years, and was instantly pretty good at Rock Band drums.",
"This isn’t fake?!? That’s actually unbelievable",
"Man that pool shoulder ride was crazy badass, but then he just jumps in. What a nut! How cool. The singer and keyboardist on the light rigs... man. I kinda wish I was there!",
"So anyways I started blasting",
"My greatest shame is getting carpal tunnel from GH3 in my freshman year of college :/",
"Totally agreed. Though, I played the shit out of GH3 and would loop it in with the first 2. They made it a bit easier than 1 & 2 with the window for HO&POs being much larger, but it was still really solid. \n\n\nThe band setup with the 3 drums & 2 symbols setup seemed gimmicky and like they were just trying to piggy back off of rock-band (who piggy-backed off of GH themselves). \n\n\nBut yeah, give me GH2 gameplay (maybe with an option to give the leniency of GH3) and a dope playlist, and i'd buy it in a heartbeat. Just treat it right. Rock Band 4 is good. It's everything that I loved about rock band when i was a teenager. The issue was that they put out a broken game and took forever to do anything about it.",
"Same. Watching streamers play it on Twitch helped me get even more into it. Learned about cdlc, rs mods, using an audio interface. There's a great community there.",
"Nice",
"Nice",
"Nice",
"It's because there's several recordings of them playing pretty sloppily but what people don't mention is that a big part of why they tended to play poorly is because they were usually hammered on stage.",
"IT'S WORSE AFTER YOU DRINK THE MILK!",
"So you're basically hitting all 5 at the same time repeatedly so that it'll hit the one you actually should? At the same time as the green right?\n\nAlso when you have to strum all those notes together how are you actually doing it fast enough that you get them all? Like I feel like it's impossible to Actually strum that fast so are you just hoping you get most of them or what",
"I've been to a concert of theirs in Asheville, NC in 2011 at the Orange Peel. The two guitarists played the intro of this song on EACH OTHER'S guitar. They play it at regular speed live lol.\n\nEdit: they were facing each other when playing the intro",
"That's awesome",
"Doubtful for rockband since epic just bought harmonix and is integrating them into fortnite development.",
"They might not have been walking around because they were busy playing fucking Opeth songs live lol",
"Yeah, I see where you're coming from - although I still think the comparison between guitar hero and real guitar is mostly irrelevant and the discussion is more about video games vs the arts/sports/etc in general. \n\nI'm curious, what's your stance on more strategic games or ones that involve more thinking, like League of Legends? How would you compare a professional LoL esports team vs a professional sport that's mostly physical training/discipline?",
"This is the ~~most~~only amazing thing I've ever seen Ben Shapiro do.",
"Well..sounds like the thought should be discarded now that it’s been proven illogical. Lol.",
"Calling In Flames sloppy...I just don't know what to do about you man! Haha I saw them with ATR and they blew the fawkin roof off! Every show is different I guess! At least we all like good music!",
"u/pieceoftost explains this pretty well in a [comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r5tifg/a_new_world_record_through_the_fire_and_flames/hmqrwqf/?context=10000) below -\n\n>Rhythm games are in some ways similar to popular fighting games, in that they are actually nothing like the real thing, and the reasons people play them are different than the reasons people do the real thing.\n\n>For example compare boxing and smash bros, the only similarities they have are \"people punching each other\", but the skills and actual activity involved have virtually nothing in common. There's a very high chance that someone who likes smash bros would have absolutely no interest in fighting IRL, and vice versa.\n\n>Similarly rhythm games and instruments actually have very little in common, other than playing along to music. Rhythm games are much more about reaction speed, raw mechanics, and \"reading\" (being able to interpret what's on screen and execute it quickly). There are actually a lot of high level rhythm game players who also play real life instruments in their spare time for fun.\n\n\n>For a non-guitar hero example, look up gameplay of the game \"osu!\". It has no resemblance to a real-life instrument whatsoever. The reason's you'd play a game like that are completely different than the reasons you'd learn a real life instrument. Also games like beat saber, or geometry dash, are good examples of this.",
"Fine work",
"u/freddiew it’s time to duel",
"The result of having too much free time, and playing the same game consistently for 15 years",
"More people click if you call out something specific. Tbh idk if I would have watched it without that callout. Definitely worth it tho",
"You don't have to \"memorize\" it, you just play the video game and naturally get better.\n\nIt's just like how practicing guitar makes you naturally get better, except playing Guitar Hero is more fun than practicing guitar.\n\nThe biggest difference is that being good at Guitar Hero is 100 times easier. There are 5 buttons that are all easy to reach and you just press the right color button.",
"He made a lot of mistakes even after he got off . Like in terms of straight guitar prowess Herman is good. But he will never be malmsteen, loomis or petrucci. Back when that album came out Herman was absolutely towards the top in terms of technicality. Still not amazing live...But times have changed. There's certain to be some swedish guy, or Japanese girl that can eat anything he's ever written.\n\nThere's just better players out there. That doesn't take away what he has. He plays what he wants to (like malmsteen in that regard). \n\nTechnical speed metal has grown a lot, and it's really passed him up. I would blame Marty Friedman for that in Japan. Fucking weeb...",
"[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtEeDUeBrMg) is the world record for 100% at 165% speed.",
"I guess it depends. I'd put chess on the level of sports, hell some people believe it is a sport. And tbh I do think some sports are sillier than others, but that might just be because I know less about them. I respect LoL pros a lot, and I'm not someone who think it's a total waste of time or anything like my parents do. But I can't put it on the same level as sports like swimming or basketball, the idea almost seems ridiculous? Does being a LoL pro really require the same dedication, talent, skill, physical ability, etc as an Olympic swimmer? And I know LoL is a really hard game though I've never played it, but I just can't put it on that level.",
"There are plenty of videos of him on his Twitch streams playing fairly sloppy in the comfort of his home studio. I enjoy listening to their music and power/fantasy metal in general, but there is definitely a reason they are called “Studioforce.”\n\nAlso it kinda rubbed me the wrong way when Herman kinda threw shade at John Mayer one time saying that what he does is “easy.” Sure it is Herman, sure it is.",
"Smaller bracket more chance to win lol",
"Clone hero for PC! Not sure about the guitar options tho...",
"I thought it was I love rock'n'roll by Pat benetar...",
"> In Flames\n\nNah we're talking about Dragonforce!",
"I saw them over a decade ago. I don't remember much specifics about the music, but I do remember the singer couldn't hit the high notes for shit.\n\nShow was still a lot o fun though",
"Niiice dude, this is good pace.",
"Are we saying that someone has already beaten it at 100% speed?",
"their shows were notoriously poor performances which propagated the notion they record slower and speed it up in post processing",
"*cries in pray flicking*",
"You can call something out without being specific,\n\"This video of a guy playing advanced guitar hero songs after eating a reaper is hilarious. It's even funnier when he gets really desperate at the end.\"",
"This killed me 😂",
"Much like most video game companies, they went after the quick buck rather than going for long term profits. I think they released like 15 games in a 5 year period; a period of time where I likely would have been willing to buy 3 versions. I probably would have preordered it too. But I gave up on the series after seeing them saturate the market so heavily.\n\nI left the Sims series for the same reason. The current version of the game is Sims 4, yet it costs about $3,000 to buy the entire Sims 3 franchise last time I checked.",
"That, and both Herman and Sam do wacky shit with their strings and wah pedals.",
"speed run carpel tunnel syndrome",
"have you ever had a controller burst into flames in your hands?",
"Dude, tell me you actually also play guitar.",
"Humans can do anything with enough time and focus.",
"I saw them in the early days shortly after Inhuman Rampage came out and they were tight as hell... But there were red flags even then as I have never seen so much alcohol on stage before or since.",
"Do you know of any people I could reach out to directly? I don't really use Twitter but would be super interested in this",
"I just played the video at x2... New world record guys.. through the fire and flames has been passed at 550% speed!!!",
"Lmao exactly! Virtuosity over vamping",
"How many chords do you think the average song has?",
"Been on Reddit since 2013 and have never once seen Opeth mentioned casually, but I'm seeing them and Mastodon live in three days. Life is strange.",
"Nice",
"Like all video games? It's recreation. He has fun playing this game. Maybe you have fun playing a different game.",
"How does he strum so fast? Is that like a triple strum bar and he's using three fingers?",
"I have an Xbox 360 wireless usb dongle for PC, can I connect my Beatles Rock band guitar to my PC through that?",
"I don't understand this joke yet but I want in. What are you talking about?",
"Right?? Same here man, barely played that shit but as with all sports, it’s entertaining to see the best of the best performing.",
"He's not trying to play a guitar, he's trying to play a video game...and gets paid to do it (Twitch streamer)",
"What really annoyed me when playing rock band drums is how good rhythm mattered almost none at all. The window for \"perfect\" allows for you to sound like absolute ass as a drummer.",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX6uhWLA0Nw&list=PLMxPYcr2zEkVUbkCT9-Y5goT2WAHFZP6T&index=44",
"Yes it does give you a penalty so he was somehow hitting the correct buttons.",
"I think that having fun and enjoying your life is more valuable than being good at something. But some people need to be good at something to enjoy their life. And it's pretty clear this dude loves what he's doing.",
"a young Ben Shapiro",
"Imagine the hand job this guy gives!",
"This is a lot more pleasant to watch/listen to, honestly, because the rhythms are essentially correct, rather than just being a mad rush to get things close enough.",
"I saw them live like 15 years ago and they played well, they were pretty drunk too.",
"I didn't know Ben Shapiro plays guitar hero",
"Nobody talking about how he did this while reading his chat. lmao.",
"dear internet. please give this hater gold.",
"Lol they actually got a new lead singer, depending on how long ago you're talking. If it really was over a decade ago, it was probably the original singer who is long gone now",
"Imagine getting fingered by him",
"Extra fun since the arguably best Guitar Hero player alive (RandyLadyMan) is indeed a homosexual individual. Actually he's streaming right now and the title of the stream is \"playing guitar hero while being gay\".\n\nSouth Park can predict the future.",
"A lot of covers on youtube do this for various songs",
"Started playing Clone Hero after seeing it at AGDQ during quarantine. 10/10",
"i don't think humans are supposed to be able to do that",
"But why? Why not just learn how to play it on an *actual guitar*?",
"There's definitely far harder songs but this one was the hardest song on the most popular game in the series so its the one most people know.",
"This very sentence has been a meme in the guitar hero community for YEARS now. Welcome to the club lmao",
"They (Harmonix) just got bought out by Epic Games, so I don't expect much of anything now :(\n\nTheir Dance Central was the tits back in OG Kinect days. Way better than anything else on the market including Just Dance.",
"I hope this dude doesn’t have wrist troubles later in life.",
"Mmm interesting. I do feel like think chess involves more mental energy than something like LoL but I am not a pro in either one. But I also think being an LoL pro does involve almost all of those things you listed, except for physical ability (but maybe even that if you include things like reaction time), and potentially involving more mental energy and focus. At the same time, I think some sports like basketball/football may also require more strategy and mental energy than some other sports. I guess now the discussion is going more in the direction of, how much do you value physical ability vs brain power in one's hobby/profession",
"Honestly that blew my mind too.",
"I don't get it. I saw them live and was 10 ft away from Herman Li's fretting hand. They play that fast IRL. There's earlier concert footage where they messed up but things have improved since then.",
"Imagine if he invested that time into playing a real guitar",
"It’s actually not so bad, if the entire time you just remember “it’ll be worth it for the story,” lol. That and have a lot of milk. Though, past a certain point of hot, it doesn’t feel like it helps at all. \n\nI ate a Carolina reaper once, and literally downed an entire gallon of milk over the course of the experience. It honestly felt like it made it worse. I’d hold it in my mouth for a second, and for a split second there’d be a reprieve, until the very next moment when it came rushing back with a vengeance. If anything, I’d actually recommend something bready like brown sugar pop tarts.",
"Look into Clone Hero, that’s what he’s playing this on. It’s super awesome, you can download every song from all of the rock band and GH games, plus a huge, huge library of custom songs. There is also support for drums and all sorts of other cool stuff.",
"To be fair playing fifa games and playing the actual sport don't really have many simalarities. But with guitar hero it's at least similar in the sense that you're inside, holding an 'instrument\", whether it's a controller or guitar, utilizing your hands and using their dexterity and sense of rhythm.\n\nI think for most people it doesn't make sense giving the hours needed to actually learn guitar vs getting decent at guitar hero are wildly different. But at the level this guy is at he legitimately probably could have developed some guitar skills.\n\nUltimately though who gives a shit what people do.",
"may be a meme, but it ain't wrong.",
"Speaking as a guitarist who grew up with Guitar Hero, the 2 are nothing alike. Imagine if guitar hero had 132 buttons instead of 5 and 6 strum bars instead of one. Now imagine that each of those buttons and strum bars had infinite values for pressure sensitivity and position. NOW imagine that you have to actually make music with that unprompted, instead of telling you whatever button you need to press at a given time and pressing it in any way is enough for the screen to go \"perfect! Literally couldn't be better\".\n\nAlso there's the simple fact that guitar is a super expensive and time consuming hobby and definitely not for everyone. Guitar Hero is..\n a game.\n\nYou're comparing it to sim racing vs real racing, but it's more like playing Mario Kart vs piloting a Boeing 737",
"It is definitely very wrong",
"When I saw them (after Heritage came out) I was blown away by how exact their sounds was. I've never heard a live band get so close to the sounds from the album.",
"Oh thank god, I was lost in the threads. And yeah, Slopforce too busy working on their trampoline game",
"Ok.. that's impressive for it's technical aspect, but why in hell would anyone want to do it?!",
"it's a pretty silly accusation because you can just watch Herman Li on twitch and see him live be a guitar god.\n\nthey're not my favorite flavor of metal, but seeing them live was pretty neat. speed demons for sure.",
"Dude's obviously dripping in bitches, he's just trying to leave some for the rest of us. King 👑",
"I feel bad for that guy’s girlfriend and when they got to second base the first time.",
"Madcatz made the controllers and was almost out of businesS in 2014-2015 when guitar hero 4 came out.\n\nThen the board and ceo dipped out with the 60M in profits from the sale of Guitar hero 4.\n\nI still own madcatz shares and am still mad about their incapability and their basic allowance for Wall Street pricks to walk away with 60M and the shareholders got foreseeable Fucked to oblivion.",
"I think it’s a thing that kinda started as a joke or half truth and everyone totally extrapolated it.",
"where can i buy a controller for PC? can’t find them anywhere!",
"I believe the ones that came with *World Tour* were the ones that allowed this.",
"It absolutely requires every single one of those things you listed. There's a reason Esports Academies are a thing and a reason why it's so difficult to get in to. The dedication required is insane.\n\nNot to mention the push for LoL to literally be an Olympic event:\n\n>Riot has confirmed that there is an ongoing conversation between the company and Olympic leadership about the potential for League of Legends to appear as a medal event at multi-sport events, such as the Olympics.",
"Yup. Just gotta market it right. Imagine if they made the instruments of decent quality? I'm talking like break even on it just to put them out there as a Unicorn product for 50 years from now. Like do beautiful real wood guitars with upgraded components with a unbelievable duty cycle? Then commit to a platform that is built decently and provides multiple genres with deep catalogues (Partner with Spotify for curated playlists that rotate) .... just dreamin here. You don't have like 100 mill I could borrow do you?",
"And it's gone",
"Mastodon will provide the sloppy live performance lol",
"That’s fucking you?! Mate I’m so impressed. Nice one.",
"Found the one who's never been to a Dragonforce show.\n\nI don't know about how they're doing lately, but I was face-to-face with Herman Li in San Antonio, July 11th, 2006. It was a short as hell set because they were one of the show-starters, but that guy can legit play that live, and back then — it wasn't easy to keep up without missing one or two notes.\n\nWhat would be the sense in speeding up the studio recordings of things they can play live casually now?\n\nNot to mention, if you think this is fast playing I just don't even know what you would have to say about **IMMORTAL**, who could once play marginally faster.",
"I saw Opeth once live and it was a pretty boring performance. \n\nThey were touring with Mastodon and Ghost, who were both fun as hell.",
"Even though I could barely finish that song on easy mode At normal speed and the new from the description of the video that he was going to make it that video gave me building anxiety",
"That would be really cool if it was done on a real guitar",
"Makes you look like an amateur?? This guy's not even playing the same game as you!",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQRW0RM4V0k",
"That was worth the click...milk hanging off his eyelashes as he grunts and gasps \"taking it like a boss!\"",
">Madcatz made the controllers\n\nSay no more, fam.",
"Honey pause your game and come down for dinner !\nI can’t mom!!! I’m passing fire and flames at 275% speed for a world record.",
"the secret is they did speed up the records, not because they cant play at that speed but because they were hammered in the studio as well",
"I mean that's fine but personally I think it's a bit silly. Guess we just disagree. And like I said I know being a LoL pro requires dedication and skill and all that, but to me it's not on the same level as some sports.",
"That part at 1:15 is fucking hilarious",
"Well, that is insane!",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wH-mzDdBbg",
"In Flames is my favorite band!!",
"i didn't know we were still doing this",
"##BROTHER##",
"Lol right https://youtu.be/MOqv9eHNF8Q",
"They have some killer tracks on their newest album. I, The Mask is an absolute killer track.",
"He did that with 86% fucking accuracy too. What the fuck? I don’t care how trivial people may find this, that downright insanely impressive.",
"Do the actual members of Dragonforce play this song? I saw them perform when I was in middle school and they were hands down the worst performers I’ve ever seen. Like, it was obvious they had the studio tracks playing in the pa.\n\nThe openers, Daath, and Cynic, however, were *excellent*",
"I miss DDR more than almost any game from my youth.",
"this game is pure genetics.",
"I watched it at 2X speed. Is this the new record then?",
"I've played a bit of both (poorly) and I gotta say I had a lot of fun with the plastic one. \n\nI would recommend looking into MPCs and finger drumming, which is super cool and your skills should transfer (plus it's heaps of fun). \n\nCheck out what this legend can do, he does it live!\n\nhttps://youtu.be/iAiNwCSect0",
"Yeah I get it. I'm a complete amateur at guitar so when I listen to power metal pretty much everything sounds awesome to me in my blissful ignorance. If I were more skilled I imagine I'd be a lot more critical so that's fair. \n\nI saw DragonForce and Unleash the Archers play in LA right before covid hit and it was like the best $30 I ever spent- like 1/10 the cost of the concerts my wife makes me take her to. I'm just easily entertained I guess.",
"> But then anyone with a brain that listens to dragon force\n\nThere's a joke in here somewhere ...",
"Nice",
"Nice.",
"That wasn't a nostalgia cash in lol that was a captured audience. The previous games were incompatible.\n\nHarmonix just wanted the platform to be on the current generation. Activision misunderstood and created something new entirely.",
"The spartin program isnt ready yet",
"No... \n\nIt's not real...",
"For sure. I should highlight: I didn't say he wasn't good - he was *very* good, because his rhythm and the ability to move his hands and feet independently are the driving force. But it's not playing music, it's banging on plastic circles in time.",
"In old school RuneScape there’s a mechanic called prayer flicking. Prayer can be used to make you invincible and other buffs and gradually drains. The game basically runs on increments of 0.6 seconds, called a tick. If you turn your prayers on and off within that time, you can avoid losing prayer points despite getting the benefits. A high level player trying to prayer flick has to operate on a rhythm to do this successfully. These types of things usually don’t become relevant until about mid game, hence the 500 hours comment",
"Practicing a skill to the point of being able to do something extremely impressive is one of the most fulfilling and enjoyable things humans can do, whether or not it has a practical use.",
"Ah yes, the \"you rock\" section at the end. It killed many of my runs back in the day...\n\nBefore I *got gud* ^^^at ^^^100% ^^^speed",
"Hello tendonitis my old friend, I’ve come to talk with you again…",
"That's the highest I ever got on normal speed. And I thought I was the shit years ago cuz I knew no one else who could pass the song on hard, let alone expert. This is just ridiculous",
"I looked at secondhand stores and goodwill and found a reasonably priced Wii guitar a couple months back, the adapter was pretty expensive though.",
"clearly slowed down so us mortals can understand him",
"Nice!",
"Main problem here is it kinda doesn't score you on accuracy, it's either hit or miss with a massive window.\n\nDrum Mania on the other hand has a full perfect/great/etc timing system and doesn't penalise for extra note. \n\nRockband/guitar hero were intended as casual mainstream fun, they removed any proper timing so you never have to be accurate.",
"Reading the chat makes me lol",
"He's not playing to play guitar. He's playing to play a video game. If he wanted to play guitar, he would be doing that.",
"I only recently discovered power metal and I don't know any of the names that you mentioned so I'm just going to assume you know more than me lol. Someone else provided similar context in another comment as well. I can see where criticism is warranted- I'm only suggesting that to the average casual viewer/listener, we probably find this pretty cool and can't tell the difference.",
"Imagine if this type of hardcore dedication was used to level up real-life skills instead.",
"Because he's not playing this game as a stand in for real guitar. It's a rhythm game. The two are entirely separate things.",
"Girlfriend?",
"Damnit I bout choked laughing at your comment lmao",
"Day 1",
"YOU DID IT!! CONGRATS FRIEND!!!!!",
"What are your hobbies so I can say the same about literally all of them. Let people enjoy what they find fun.",
"This brought so much back to me, I haven’t thought about this game since my younger sibling got this as a present. Damn, I miss that a lot.",
"As someone who plays the game on Expert mode and can beat the normal version of the song, I can't even imagine the damage his wrists have",
"Or even, you are good at Mario Bros, why not learn to be a plumber?",
"Thank you lol",
"It's funny, the guitar solo Buckethead did for Jordan on GH2 (I think) is WAY more advanced than the guitar solo's in this song, but because of how hard GH decided to make this song its kinda become iconic.",
"(And more generally, speeding up a record to get everything perfect was a pretty normal thing - the obsession with musicians recording songs in one perfect take is a recent phenomenon. Master of Puppets is sped up on the album despite the band playing it noticeably faster than the album in live shows, for example)",
"That’s just insanely impressive.",
"Different players are good at different things but a lot of top players respect [Schmooey](https://youtu.be/edhOIGBGOlc?t=186) as being pretty much in a league of his own.",
"Licensing fees are way too expensive these days which is a part of the reason why they fell off imo",
"What a champion",
"Didn’t know people were still playing this",
"Yes but at what cost?!",
"Oooo I love Unleash the Archers, that must have been a great show!",
"Oops, you caught me!",
"YOU",
"> But it's not playing music, it's banging on plastic circles in time.\n\nWill you relax? We know. Shitting on Rock Band hasn't been cool since like 2012",
"I wonder how much further you can go before the physical limitation of the hardware stops more progress?",
"Rock Band 4 still gets a ton of support. They released 2 new songs every week since release. I’m honestly surprised they still do support it.",
"It's called rake strumming. Certain guitars have sensitive enough strum bars that flicking it causes an extra input as it snaps back up. This can be combined with holding more than one finger stiff so you get more than one flick per motion. Two fingers would get you four registered strums on a single downstrum. It tends to look and sound like they're strumming kinda slowly, but they're nailing crazy fast sections.",
"New in flames is so overwhelmingly meh. Check out shadowminds by the halo effect",
"Now do 100%",
"What did he win!?!?",
"His poor wiener",
"nice",
"Not all at the same time but in sequence, like in a really really really fast zigzag pattern. All at the same time would not work. The fast strumming is a result of hitting the strum bar in such a way that it rebounds and bounces back so it registers multiple strums for each time you touch it. Harder than it might sound to do reliably.",
"no but if you miss one you can't hit the next one unless you strum again, which he often has to do with his elbow",
"This guy wanks",
"You were right to call it trash. At the point where I was still actually trying to play the game, my brain wouldn’t adjust to “flip” the fret board right side up. I had black and white all mixed up and just couldn’t manage to consistently hit those chords correctly.\n\nThe best I can compare it to would be if you were a left-handed player who didn’t have the option to flip the board around. The inability to orient the fret board how my brain was interpreting it was an incredibly stupid and infuriating user interface fail. \n\nI was a massive Guitar Hero fan, finding Scorehero the year it launched and posting regularly there back in 2006/2007. Downloaded a shitload of Clone Hero songs years *after* GH Live flopped. Rhythm guitar games are absolutely some of my favorites, yet GH Live was one of the worst pieces of shit I’ve ever played.",
"O.O;",
"Nice.",
"This guy frets.",
"Oh I see so for the hammer on parts you're going left to right or vice versa really fast and the strumming parts there's a way to register more than 2 strums per up and down motion? Incredible",
"If you can play it slow, you can play it fast",
"Because that’s really not the same thing is it?",
"lol I feel like I know less now than I did before you explained it",
"Lol copyright or what",
"That could have potentially worked if the game was playable. The only way I was ever going to be able to play even remotely well was if I would have just memorized song charts and played them without looking at the screen. If you gave me a playable Guitar Hero Live I don’t think I would have ever had any meaningful complaints about the graphics.",
"Meanwhile i couldn’t finish a song the moment the orange button turned up 🤦♂️",
"There should be a word for something that is super-impressive but not in the way that gets you laid.",
"At some point, it's gotta be easier to just learn how to play guitar.",
"Yeah I was bored with the Opeth set that tour. Thankfully I've seen them twice since, and they played more lively songs.",
"Sekiro is a fairly easy rhythm game",
"Lmaooooo holy shit",
"Sample size of n = 1, but I took a friend of mine to shoot pistols for the first time, and she put up excellent groups. Turns out it’s really easy to teach proper sight alignment to someone who’s spent several hundred hours staring down the sights in first person shooters.",
"Okay I used to think I was good at Guitar Hero because I played on expert with hyperspeed 4 and could FC a decent amount of the songs on each game. This guy is so far beyond my skill level that I don't think I'll ever touch the game again.",
"Why do you grow them?",
"To make sauce. I eat them…im just saying I wouldn’t eat a whole one raw.",
"lmao sorry I tossed mine a few years ago. with a special case even. just didn’t have room\n\nseems like you’d want nicer new ones anyway",
"Went to their last show right before Covid shut everything down. At some point a speaker or something broke and they had to try and fix it. We got the \"Dragonforce Comedy Hour\" and they still put out the full set. Super fun show.",
"meh learn how to play a real guitar",
"How many ticks does it take to dial my therapist's phone number?",
"Thumbnail looks like Smallant doing a pencil sharpening speedrun",
"Maybe in the grand scheme of life it’s trivial but there’s nothing trivial about practicing something until you master it.",
"With those fingers? Yeah.",
"https://youtu.be/2a497Hom8Gg",
"I’ve never seen them live but I’ve heard they like to get hammered during sets to various degrees. The more drunk the less good they play. So it can vary show to show.",
"Nice",
"This dude was on cocaine or speed when he made this happen. Can't happen any other way, lol.",
"Imagine if this was the first time someone made this comment",
"Evolved to play GH",
"Holy shit was that boring.",
"Thats actually how I started playing drums. I played a TON of Rock Band and Guitar Hero drums and guitar. Well, one of my friends was selling a cheap drum kit. I bought it, set it up, propped up my laptop with Expert Drum run-throughs on YouTube, matched red/snare, yellow/hi hat, green/tom, etc., and I just kinda started playing. Honestly it was a pretty great and seamless teaching tool for me.",
"Cocaine Is A Hell Of A Drug.",
"Unless it's trivial pursuit.",
"This is simultaneously one of the coolest and lamest things I've ever seen. On one hand it's like, viiiiiirgin, but on the other hand it's like, his girl has to be one happy camper. Lol. Good on this guy.",
"I've been looking for this video for so long and couldn't remember what it was called!",
"I did at least appreciate what they were attempting to accomplish with GH. They felt they were losing a ton of their audience because they were starting out playing on the hardest difficulty. They didn't trust that nostalgia would be enough and tried to reinvent the wheel.",
"Why are they faster outa curiosity",
"I have never before agreed with the people who say, \"Just learn to fuckin' play guitar bro.\"\n\nSo, whoever owes me the thrashing, step right up.... cause....\n\n\n*Just learn to fuckin' play guitar, bro*",
"It was an early meme that Dragonforce couldn't actually play their songs. As a young fan, I really didn't care either way. Then I eventually got to see them live (I think near the border of NC/SC at the House of Blues, so same tour that you saw them on just a few days apart) and they surpassed all expectations. Their original vocalist ZP Theart was kinda oddly fascinated with pretending to piss on the crowd every ten minutes, but Herman Li and Sam surpassed all expectations. Li is definitely more known, but both of them were just incredibly talented. \n\nHerman Li even popularized (maybe \"invented\") the use of an electromagnet ring on his hand to have yet another way to affect the guitar's strings. Not sure if he was using it on that tour but it's a fascinating concept all on its own.",
"I couldn't get past the intro lol. I could play every other song, and every other part of the song, but never made it past 3% cause of that damn intro",
"I have a lot of respect for the talent that they actually clearly have, but back in the day this parody always made me laugh\n\nhttps://youtu.be/iQIUfqKcakE",
"This is what movies think playing video games looks like 100% of the time. “Oh hey Mom we’ll be down in a sec” *thunderous button mashing noises”",
"Imagine the the talent if you actually put it towards an actual instrument other than a gimmik! Good shit nonetheless",
"Like the other dude said, the fact the controller is shaped like a guitar is literally the only reason people would make a comparison like this. If he was playing a controller shaped like a pineapple it would be the same amount of comparable. It's a game where you press the buttons the game wants you to to win. Pretty much the same appeal as any other video game and not the same appeal as music.",
"They used to get rock star fucked up and drunk between shows and sometimes they may have just been feeling off. They got kicked out of a few hotels and venues (not during shows) for just being belligerent assholes, although it was mostly the vocalist ZP Theart who was the worst with behavior, but it kind of comes with the territory. Metal band members in general are usually either walking violations or the most polite people you've ever seen.",
"They don’t need to give world records for lame shit",
"Any guitar that is either wired USB or the wireless ones with the USB dongles will work with Clone Hero which is free to download.",
"he must be an incredible masturbator",
"Yeah Rock Band 4 was still playable, but basically tried so hard to fail that it's not a surprise that it did. They didn't have access to your old DLC, which previous games did. The main progression mode was an uninspired shell of what the previous games offered. The character customization was laughably scarce and restricted when compared to RB 2. The multiplayer was only local for awhile. I think they added multiplayer options now? I can't remember with that leaderboard style thing they came out with Rivals. \n\nBasically if you have some friends over and wanna mess around with it for nostalgia reasons, it's still functional and fun. However comparing it to the old games and it's embarrassing, not because of rose-tinted glasses, but simply because just about every feature in Rock Band 2 is superior to Rock Band 4. There have been no improvements to the game in 2 generations and they've only gone backwards. If you could somehow make them both have the same exact graphics there is no way someone would believe Rock Band 2 is like 10 years older than Rock Band 4. My set is also chilling in the closet only occasionally getting set up.",
"They have such an interesting flavor and I sorely miss the short popularity they had around a decade ago with all the fast food places featuring things like ghost pepper flavored fries. No where near as spicy as eating the peppers themself (holy shit one bite sent me into a somewhat psychedelic state) but still distinctly flavored.",
".........how",
"I mean. Where does it end?",
"My follow-up stupid question is I thought you couldn't fail songs in Clone Hero?",
"Ooooh nice! Ya eating super peppers raw is asking for pain. They’re still intense in sauce too though!",
"Ya it was trash. I also bought it for x-box expecting the old glory, and not only new controls, but the song selections were just…….not good. And the audience was somehow terrible and no good for kids to try. Everything about it was trash.",
"This dudes girlfriend is so fucking lucky…",
"I think full combo, like if some gets 100% accuracy and never misses a note they will have “FC’d” the song. That’s not the case here where he was just looking to “pass” the song without failing",
"That sounds amazing. What controller do you use (what system)?",
"Full combo. Means you got 100% of the notes right in the song.",
"I know it's not the same genre or style, but Cytus II on mobile really light up my flame. Plus there's a story and IMO one of the best mobile story out there. Hours of content!",
"I don't think I saw him blink once the entire video.",
"My fingers got arthritis from watching this video",
"I'm sorry, the card says \"moops\".",
"Coincidentally that's my usual YouTube video speed (behind on watch later by 700 videos).",
"\"Who was the third batter in the second half of the 7th inning of the 1954 world series final?\"\n\nIt's one of the few games out there stupider than golf.",
"The fact that he is reading and responding to his chat at the same time is mind bending!",
"Did you see the guy a couple years ago who FC'ed it blindfolded? There are some insanely good guitar hero players out there.",
"Oh this is passed I thought it was 100% I was like hell nah.",
">Ah, you’re one of the fake guitar players. Let me guess, you can’t play a real one either, can you? You have a real one, though, or did at some point? You tried, but it was just too *hard*?\n\nI've played guitar and have never played guitar on guitar hero or an adjacent game. I have played drums on it though. Not that any of that's relevant at all, but since you asked so nicely.\n\n>He’s definitely playing a game that is playing a song. He is not playing any song. \n\nDude what the fuck are you talking about. So if I were to play guitar hero and someone asked me what I'm currently doing in the game, I should respond \"oh I'm currently playing a level that plays through the fire and flames\"? No, that's ridiculous. I'll say \"I'm currently playing through the fire and flames\" and everyone will understand what I'm saying cause they're not some asshole online twisting my words around.\n\n>If I have a piano that plays songs automatically but it only progresses through the song when a key, any key, is pressed, am I playing the piano? Am I playing Moonlight Sonata on my piano if I’m only pushing 5 keys, but the piano plays the song in it’s entirety? You know the answer is no. I do have a piano that does exactly what I described.\n\nHe is playing. A game. The map he is currently playing through is called \"through the fire and flames\". So he is playing \"through the fire and flames\". This sentencr uses the definition of \"play\" that refers to games as opposed to the definition that refers to music. I don't understand why this is so hard to grasp.\n\n>Imagine thinking pushing 5 buttons is the same thing as playing an intricate rock saga, lol.\n\nYou're literally the only person insinuating that. Nobody believes that. Stop strawmanning. We'd need to introduce three new dimensions of space in order to properly demonstrate how incredibly hard you've missed the point of this comment.",
"I've always maintained that DragonForce doesn't speed up their music (as evidenced by Herman Li's twitch).\n\nThey did seem too drunk to play it live most of the time though.",
"Nice.",
"Best saber is pretty rad new one",
"Only ever has like 200 viewers on twitch",
"Just watching this I gained 6 finger blisters.",
"Let's take a moment to throw out some kudos for the build quality of that GH guitar which was apparently built on Krypton. Holy shit",
"I tried it, but it was a giant pain in the ass.",
"The dude didn't blink for 3 strait damn minutes! How! Lol",
"While the 'speeding up because they can't play it' thing has been debunked (they play the shit live all the time, and it's recorded), I would pick another adjective for your assessment other than 'experienced'. Most \"experienced\" guitar players could absolutely not play these solos lmao. \n\nI'd consider myself an expert guitar Player, can spread pretty well and can't touch half their shit.",
"Yea my sauce is hot but it’s not insane. It’s enjoyable lol.",
"The irony is if he had spent this time learning a real guitar, just fucking imagine",
"Not a new thing either. The Who and Led Zeppelin were both pretty sloppy live, but made up for it with the performance itself.",
"I think the key to 'walking on' in guitar hero is having bothreally good gaming skills and guitar skills. I was 5 starring shit on expert my first day and eventually (temporarily) held a record for Bark at the Moon and won several tournaments. I chalk that up to being both a competitive gamer and very good at guitar simultaneously. haha.",
"I did not. That's more ridiculous than this!",
"And this is where Rocksmith comes in.",
"Seen the together as well, this sums it up nicely",
"Unfortunately I’m lactose intolerant so milk would just make it worse. I’m good tho. I have reaper hot sauce I fuck with from time to time and that’s enough for me.",
"Rhythm gamers are insane nowadays, on keyboard rhythm games people have even gone as high as 70 inputs per second on 4 keys (almost 20 per second on each key).",
"For the hammerons, as long as the note is hit at the correct time it counts as the note being hit. Pressing the colors at the wrong time doesn't make you miss, but strumming in the wrong place makes you miss.",
"Dude looks exactly like Kip.",
"Nice",
"Not related to Dragonforce but you reminded me of seeing Explosions in the Sky at the Orange Peel back in 2011. That is probably the best show I've ever been to.",
"You are correct.",
"\"doubters won btw\" lmao nah",
"The adapter you use to plug it in via USB has lower latency than the Xbox wireless dongles (I know that sounds obvious, but the Xbox guitars were previously considered best in slot.)",
"Wtf",
"Ah yes, this song and freebird are the only songs I couldn't finish on GH2 and 3. (Not including DLC). I got through the intro occassioanlly but didn't care to learn some of the later stuff because just getting through the intro was like, a 1/15 chance.",
"Look for a game called Osu. It's the only current rhythm game I recall",
"psssttt, depending on which guitars you have they could be worth hundreds, each",
"The intro killed me a lot but I finally got through it well enough. Star power definitely saved me through those really tough parts later in the song but I still managed to peak at 86%. The main riffs were no problem for me. I actually play guitar and when the third guitar hero came out, my friend worked at GameStop and they were having a competition to win it, so she made me play the first one hours on end. I wasn't really interested in it at first but I got up to expert in a week for most songs. After a while it was fun though so I just got better. Then rock band came out and I could expert the drums though that took much, much longer. I eventually got enter sandman down 100% and Tom Sawyer at 90 something but that was most definitely because I save the fills for the harder sections. It's actually what helped me pick up playing actual drums much quicker.",
"I'm only saying I don't see why folks do it, I don't actually care. I'm not going to pretend like it's anathema like so many people do with their opinions.",
"Ooh, I have been jonesing to play GH again but guitars are a bitch to find. \n\nHow much do builders usually charge?",
"*Moors",
"The intro is seared into my memory. It's became a nervous tick over the years. I drum it on my bedframe, my desk, my thigh, sometimes just in the air or under certain circumstances another person. \n\nI started back up with Clone Hero a year or two ago and it's still a fun time. Can't binge it for hours on end like I used to though. I think I have gotten better at the game since I was a teen so that's nice.",
"I love how the rhythm of ticks are the same as another one bits the dust, or sea shanty 2",
"Was looking for how to play this on PC. Mind sending me info on your setup? Congrats! That was a crazy video.",
"Konami still releases new songs and updates for most of their Bemani franchise.",
"Well if you mess up you need to strum again on the first note you fret to get the hammer on/pull off going again",
"these insane people do these 8+ hours a day until they get the FC. much respect to them honestly.",
"Nice.",
"This dude just fingerblasted my 2007 nostalgia bussy",
"Thats not remarkable or awesome. A grown man fingering a plastic guitar like it matters. Its just sad..",
"As someone who's biggest guitar hero accomplishment is almost finishing on Expert at normal speeds.. what black magic is happening here?",
"Has he been practicing since the game came out???",
"That’s probably easier.",
"Did he blink?",
"“We’re at a good pace”\n\nLol! \n\n\nSomehow I end up imagining Anakin’s pod race. That was fast.",
"I've heard a lot about how they aren't good live. Seeing Mastodon live is how I got into them actually. I saw them on the Unholy Alliance tour with Children of Bodom, Lamb of God, and Slayer. They were heavy af and I became an instant fan. Lamb of God still stole the show, though. No offense, Slayer.",
"Uhh... did anybody see him blink? I went back through the vid to see how many times he blinked while the song was going and I didn't see any blinks",
"Cocaine is a hell of a drug",
"Let me bump that sample size to 2 for you: I shot pistols over Thanksgiving weekend for maybe the 4th time in my life, and was impressing some of the regulars. I'm certainly not *great* but I definitely was thinking that my years and years of Halo may have played a part.",
"Relax? What are you talking about? I love Rock Band, and I'm not shitting on it at all. This is a conversation about how skill at a (great) video game does and does not translate into musical application.\n\nIf you think I'm shitting on anything, you're reading this *looking* for a reason to be mad.",
"I think I just got carpel tunnel",
"Damn, bro. Save some pussy for the rest of us.",
"This way is so much more fun than normal",
"I can't even process what is happening and the dude even talks while doing it.",
"Playing fake drums in Rock Band is a **lot** closer to playing real drums than the fake guitar is to a real guitar.",
"I love the feeling when you’re on a great run on a video game and you’re in the zone but you’re hanging on too and trying not to panic and mess it up. Even though I never operate at this level, it’s a great feeling to get.",
"r/unexpectedspaceballs",
"I once smashed the F out of a guitar after failing TTFATF in front of a crowd at the Gamestop I managed. For years, that guitar neck was displayed behind the counter as a reminder that TTFATF can defeat anyone at any time.",
"I actually started playing the real guitar because I loved playing Guitar Hero and Rock Band and would play in the lobby of my barracks with other people and one of my SSgts was on duty one night and was watching and said, \"Can you do that on the real thing?\" Went to the Philippines shortly after that, found a guitar with nylon strings on base and started fiddling around and fell in love with guitar. And because I had gotten used to the simulated alternate picking and timing it with pressing the fret buttons from playing the games I actually had a much easier time with those aspects of it on the real thing.",
"Hahahaha. Wtf!? WHY!!!?? In the amount of time that took to be able to do that, he could competently play a real guitar, in rhythm. For sure whatever song that was. I’ll never understand these people.",
"Mastodon is the worst live performance I've seen, I was so disappointed. But that was a while back, maybe they've practiced since lol.",
"Congratulations, this is pretty cool! The closest I've come is hitting stop on the microwave before it beeps so this is a pretty huge accomplishment. Really good stuff man",
"Let's see it live then.",
"It just needs to be in your mouth, you can spit it out.",
"Imo hard mode was easier than medium",
"I suppose so.",
"[Congratulations!](https://youtu.be/SIzOaPc-_mE)",
"Iirc early on they sucked ass live. It's what happens when you make hard as hell music in the studio when you can stitch songs together. But from more recent years I've heard they had actually addressed this and improved substantially. These are difficult songs. I still give them props regardless of shaky live performances.",
"Not falling for that again…",
"Wow that was amazing..",
"This happened to me with guitar. I used to play a lot and guitar hero kind of ruined it for me. I think it had to do with the instant gratification and video game nature made the experience so much easier than the real thing.",
"Yoooo man, congrats, that red snake was absolutely clutch",
"Yes.",
"Does he blink?",
"u/savevideo",
"Can confirm, bought GHLive on launch and absolutely HATED it. There is a really good reason why the controls are bad though. \n\nIn the classic games, the frets line up with what you have IRL, so you don't actually need to look at the notes, just the positions, and line them up with what you have on the guitar. Nobody playing at a high level is actually analyzing what color each note is, just the position. I mean shit some of the games had customizations to turn off the colors and it doesn't change how really anyone plays the game.\n\nWhen you play GHLive, now you can't just look at the notes position on the screen, but you also need to look at what color or shape it is. It's only partially based off position on the screen, which makes it A LOT less intuitive. It makes new problems such as not being able to tell what position a note is because the note in front of it is covering it, and it's just overall WAY less intuitive. It's playable don't get me wrong, but it's just way less fun because you're having to think more about what you have to hit and not the execution itself.",
"Holy shit I remember playing something like this like 15 years ago, it was pretty buggy but had hella community made songs. Wild. Is it more refined now?",
"My friends and I played that shit every day after it came out for a long time. Get high as shit and then play some Beatles. Good times lol.",
"I miss these games SO much. The fact they haven’t been made again in 7-8 years is cardinal sin. :(",
"I couldn't get on with synth riders. But audio trip is excellent.",
"When he says \"nice\" lmfao this is the funniest shit I've ever seen",
"Dude I am in tears from that shit. This absurdity of this video has me laughing so hard",
"I love how Chris Vance replayed and everyone pays respect. It’s amazing how Guitar Hero played (pun intended) a significant role in a lot of peoples lives. For me (as a 12yo mexican) it was a deeper approach to rock music and it was amazing.",
"Unreal chad",
"I can’t wait for the movie about this monumental event.",
"Hating on someone enjoying what he's doing and thinking he's too old to play video games is sadder.",
"I can see Opeth totally being stiff as a board.\n\nI've seen Dream Theater live twice. Both times were fucking incredible but dear lord James Labrie is awkward on stage.",
"One by Metallica on the Drums in guitar hero expert had to be one of the most exhausting things to try",
"Damn that was hot garbage. I know both these guys don't suck usually, wonder if they were having an off day or if they were being shit on purpose.",
"I was able to download older purchased RB dlc songs on Xbox One. Maybe it was a PS thing where you couldn't access older purchased dlc songs?",
"Who cares? I think I farted or flicked a bigger today. About as exciting. Anyone want to see that? Of course not!",
"I saw em live and thought they fuckin rocked it. Thought it was a pisser when the singer introduced their next song by saying \"This next one, well, sounds exactly like all our others\".",
"you have 3 minutes to live",
"Dude girlfriend has to be supper happy.",
"Hardest I laughed in a while, completely teared up from that lmao",
"It amazes me how some of these people will spend ungodly amounts of time becoming incredible at Guitar Hero when they could have just learned to play these songs on a real guitar for probably the same amount or even less effort.",
"That's what happens when Bruce Lee plays Dragonforce songs.",
"lol back when guitar hero 3 came out people were calling beating TTFAF on expert **literally impossible.** I remember when someone posted the first FC people were saying it was hacks or a bot and he was faking it.\n\n[Found the video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5GpRJItqjw)",
"It'sa me!",
"Haven't seen that one before!\n\n \n\n\nReminds me of this\n\n \n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/MIleK5CRcjo",
"I think they use delay pedals for the guitars, which is not the same as speeding up their songs. It just acts like a sort of echo / repeat effect.",
"How do you not blink 😮😮😮",
"You could actually connect an electric drum kit and play expert mode.",
"Idk but like why",
"Congratulations, you’re still a virgin",
"As a player of Rocksmith, im like “can he do that there too?”",
"Dude... Just learn guitar, wtf.",
"> Other things r very clearly different too but those seem to jump out at u as being nothing alike to even an idiot lol\n\nIt's obviously not even close to a real guitar, but I will say that picking up guitar after playing rock band a lot, it absolutely helps with timing, being more comfortable on faster strumming and things like triplets, and using your pinky more earlier on.",
"I’ve done this a million times playing Mortal Kombat and never won any records.",
"i remember i had a demo cd of In Flames-Cloud Connected in HS",
"Curse it into the fire Mr frodo!",
"Practice",
"I agree, but it’s only because I don’t want to pay $350 for the fucking guitar",
"...He's reading Twitch chat while doing it...what the fu**",
"I saw DragonForce live, they were incredible, and at one point in the show Herman Li played the guitar with his *tongue*",
"I don't think he blinked",
"As a lady, I can think of some interesting ways to put his fingers to use. Holy crap.",
"He'd probably get a lower accuracy at normal speed now because of how used to extreme speed he is as well",
"I think I just got arthritis watching this.",
"This is absolutely insane, respect!",
"Got to remember that Harmonix created both series, the latter after Activision bought Guitar Hero.",
"Personally I feel that it’s a lot easier than it should be due to the hammer on and pull off mechanic. You don’t have to pick any of the notes for the diddlydee scales. You can just mash the frets I’m pretty sure. The parts where is he forced to pick on the slower notes is really cool though.",
"Moonrider?\n\nPistol Whip is also fantastic as a rhythm/bullet hell/rails shooter crossover game.",
"They're super fun too, I'm trash at em but they are super fun",
"Nah you're just a prick",
"You the type dude that likes the smell of your own farts.",
"Back in the day people would stop and stare at me at an arcade while playing this song on hard. I would hit like 85% just enough to pass. We even had competitions and other things that I won. Now I am stuck with these fake guitar skills and Noone to impress. My son says it's all about OSU now.",
"Name checks out.\n\nThose are all vastly different from their game form. Whereas playing guitar and holding a GH controller both have you sitting (probably in the same spot) holding an object. However one of these has you learning a new skill that you can go off and eventually create works of your own",
"Top tip, get an electronic drum kit, and have at it. Rock Band is what made start learning drums, and I've loved it. \n\nRock band was an ace game to play with your friends, it was so much fun to have a few beers and bash songs out, but if you enjoyed it, you'd probably enjoy the real thing, too.",
"I mean, anything less than that you kind of fail the song.\n\nHe's just mashing patterns most of the time.",
"Practice and autism",
"Girls watching those fingers like 🥵",
"You want to be clickbaited? Lol\n\n*What happens next will surprise you!*",
"He's my favorite guitar god for so many reasons. He's one of the few people pushing the bounds, even trying to use technological innovations on top of his already *amazing* skill level. He's a pleasure to see in any form. I may have lost all interest in DF ever since they changed the vocalist and became a little too methodical (first 3 albums are great, but then after that, I lost in my favorite band. Li's skill still shines with greatness, but everything they've made since has been just so soulless. But that's what happens to bands when they lose their front man. Even if the rest of the musical talent is the same, a change in frontman and the running out of ideas that made the first 3-4 albums something special. Their debut Valley of the Damned is objectively a great piece that's undergone a few revisions, and the albums that followed were amazing. My taste in music has changed a lot from my young power metal days, but I still enjoy a majority of the first few albums. They really get the blood and adrenaline pumping with their self-proclaimed video game metal about fighting generic battles. \n\nTheir only newer substitute I've found is a little known band known as RainbowUnicornDragon who have carved out another similar niche. I'd recommend all old DF fans check them out (Spotify has them at least)",
"Are you good Steve or bad Steve?",
"Why though",
"for the sole reason of finding it fun. makes me jealous lol, i cant go 2 weeks playing the same game without becoming completely bored with it. lucky bastards.",
"The way the game works and with his techniques, he's \"only\" doing half those inputs. So actually pressing 10 buttons per second. Which is not that unfeasible when you e.g. slide your fingers across the buttons rapidly back-and-forth.",
"They legitmatley sped up one or two of their albums by a few bpm in the studio lel",
"You could insert literally any other hobby in place of \"real guitar\" though. Turns out people have different hobbies and partake in what they want spend their on.",
"It is the fat in the milk that the capsaicin in the chilli dissolves into that helps, so you just need any suitable solvent to start reducing the burn.\n\nOther oils and alcohol will work just as well.",
"Gotta save this for all the times people in /r/gaming tell me \"you can't mash buttons that fast ((in Mario Party or whatever)), it's impossible and you're lying\" 🙄\n\nGreat job man. You're an inspiration.",
"Imagine if he actually applied himself to something useful?",
"Some things are the most fun when you're learning them in the beginning because you progress so quickly.",
"All Steves are One Steve.",
">That's the world record, I'm gonna go piss\n\nLmao, his reaction is great.",
"That's not what I'm saying, though. Spoiling the surprise of a comedic moment spoils half the comedy of that moment.",
"Trust me. We aren't getting bored. You just haven't seen competitive beat saber yet. https://youtu.be/AqouYqXplqs",
"Came here for this comment. I tried watching his eyes and I still am not sure if he blinked",
"Imagine if he put all that time into real guitar",
"Bet the ladies love him",
"Dude is gonna die from arthritis",
"there's an app called yousician that has a guitar hero mode for every song but it only works if you play with an actual instrument. It's a bit expensive though",
"It’s a genuine question, as evident by the subsequent discussion in comments.\n\nThanks btw",
"> Their original vocalist ZP Theart was kinda oddly fascinated with pretending to piss on the crowd every ten minutes\n\nLol. Dude needed to diversify his taunts. Can't be a rockstar if you don't buy the full package of emote DLC.",
"Whoa! What dexterity!",
"I'm sure his girlfriend loves his finger skills 😉😉😉",
"How many records do you hold again?",
"I've been trawling around the internet trying to find GH controllers I could use on my PC - got the old PS2 ones, but that's clearly not working for me.\n\nI'm not on twitter, but if you can DM me on here /u/CarnyJared , I'm happy to reach out to builders and pick up a pair for nostalgia game night with the missus.",
">How many records do you hold again?\n\nYou don't need to be a movie director to know the movie sucks.\n\nYou don't need to be a world class chef to know the food tastes terrible.",
"Fucking legend",
"He tried but his speed was too much and it proved to be fatal",
"You see the guy's reaction at the end of the video? That's why. It's a rush.",
"Muscle memory, a lot of Through the Fire and Flames is repetitive but insanely fast patterns so after enough practice you can do it blind folded. It's just super hard. \n\n\n\n\nI was only a little into guitar hero but I was obsessed with Stepmania and you get to a point where you're barely paying attention to the screen and just using it as a reference incase you forget where you're at.\n\n\n\nMost of the time a pattern is repeated 4 or 8 times in a row in games like this (there are more patterns but those are most common) so its actually quite easy to just memorise segments at a time.",
"Cool story bro, you don't need to be sad and lonely to know that you are sad and lonely",
"I was wondering why didn't the raking line up with the notes at all. Made me think it was fake, turns out just bad game programming.",
"This was insanely awesome!!",
"Why are you sad?",
"Did you get blisters? This looks like it would.",
"Don't fuck us now",
"I've seen In Flames several times, they're always a massive party. One of my favorite bands.",
"Oh nooo",
"All I can think of how sore his fingers are. Like playing 3 years worth of GH in 3 minutes.",
"What a schmuck",
"The best part is when [Herman Li tried to play along to it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaocG6KoIFk).",
"That made me tear up a little I don’t know why. \n\nI was born in 94 lol.",
"Wow that's incredible dude. I hope you keep pushing the limits of this game! Do you play any instruments? With that dexterity, your hands are basically perfect for piano, string instruments, and drums to name a few.",
"All I’m thinking about when watching this is how rapidly this guy jerks off…",
"How do you only have 7.96k subscribers?!",
"YOU. ARE. FAAAGS.\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoBd50FeXA&t=30s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGoBd50FeXA&t=30s)",
"Nice to see Ben Shapiro got a hobby",
"Free bird",
"Ghost is a great show. Only Rammstein is better in my books.",
"Holy shit.",
"Sounds like Mr. Crabs walking",
"\"C'mon, don't fuck us.\"",
"Damn bro save some girls for the rest of us with that fingering power",
"not an FC? what is so impressive about this then, there are actual FC’s done at 200% speed.",
"Lol ya he did the piss thing at the concert I went to also.",
"It always bothered me that the opening harpsichord was charted as a guitar part, and was extremely and unnecessarily difficult.",
"Lol honestly not an ounce of respect to them",
"Guitar player here - it's definitely different, but guitar hero can be a good exercise for building finger strength and independence in the fretting hand that comes in handy when playing the real thing. They make gadgets like [this](https://www.guitarcenter.com/DAddario-Planet-Waves/Varigrip-Hand-Exerciser.gc) for exercising the fret hand that are kind of like a guitar hero controller, in that it's just four buttons that you press with your fingers (granted, the exerciser's buttons are a lot harder to push and will probably build strength faster, but the guitar hero controller's a lot more fun). :)",
"I am sorry but I can't help but think that has to be one of the dumbest things I have seen a human do.",
"the worlds adderall supply cannot sustain these world record attempts. Please won't somebody think of the children!",
"I hope he's able to play it on an actualy guitar as well",
"you do you bud.",
"...if you close your eyes and just listen to the audio, all you hear is a cat in a litter box, change my mind.",
"I weep for the future.",
"> Muscle memory, a lot of Through the Fire and Flames is repetitive but insanely fast patterns so after enough practice you can do it blind folded.\n\n[This popped up after the video OP linked](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO6BGJDVHlo&t=304s) So you are completely right there",
"No, learning the real guitar would be cool and an actually kinda useful skill.",
"What if he spent that much time playing a real guitar?!",
"Dude, I don't know what you were doing - i've never even played that game, but it was still impressive as fuck. Well done.",
"This is peak humanity. We can only go downhill from here.",
"The first thing that came to mind when watching this is I wonder how his girlfriend feels about how fast those fingers move",
"But why",
"Why was this nonsense upvoted?",
"I WAS SUPER HYPED 😂😂",
"I bet his girlfriend is very impressed",
"I was only able to pass it on expert once and I still think about how badass it made me feel.",
"Firewind (Gus G) always superceded DF during my powermetal days. The guy is incredible live. He's also about the same height as his guitar, lol.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/bvgAgvkdFb8\n\nCaught them with Arch Enemy (with both Amotta and Gossow), Divine heresy (blech), and Dark Tranquility (always great). Was a hell of a show.",
"Likewise, I had never seen this one! That was amazing",
"Any idea what the bet was?",
"As silly as band as Dragonforce is, I absolutely fucking love Herman. Just somebody with an infectious good attitude",
"This shit makes me proud to be human. What other species would put itself through immense pain just for the fun of it?",
"In the time it got him to learn to do that he probably could have picked up a real guitar and have a pretty good level XD. Impressive though.",
"Word son. The level of dedication and the techniques he used were amazing to watch.\n\nAs first to see this ever, i thought he was just randomly slapping and hoping to pick up a many notes as he could, but i watched how his two hands interacted when sliding on the neck.\n\nTruly a good show.",
"I know absolutely nothing about this, but I love seeing my fellow humans succeed at things that are difficult, and that they are passionate about.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAwesome to watch :)",
"Man could impress me with world class tiddly winks but all I'm wondering is why he didn't put all this time into playing actual guitar. I would be so much more impressed if he could actually play the F&F solo. 1000x more satisfying.\n\nEdit: Look up F&F covers on YT. This guy is so much more talented than anything coming out of Guitar Hero https://youtu.be/WEpKnd4tegI",
"Real guitar is just as much of a waste of time. Hell maybe more so.",
"I do know enough, and I know you don't care, but OP is dumb. Anyone with a good set of ears can hear if something is sped up. It affects the audio way more than just \"being faster\".\n\nOP's mind will be blown if he ever hears modern tech metal bands. The level of skill is unbelievable, and makes Dragonforce look like child's play. Not that speed and technical ability is conducive to good music, anyway.",
"Apparently no one got my sarcasm, shouldn't be surprised on Reddit who fail to detect the most obvious sarcasm unless you put /s",
"Lmao. Just before South Park turned to shit.",
"Yeah but fag doesn't mean gay anymore",
"I wonder If he plays the actual guitar. He'd be pretty good with those finger precision and speed",
"Reminds me of Focus speeding up their performance because of the short air time I think\n\nhttps://youtu.be/g4ouPGGLI6Q",
"I was actually surprised how much Rock band drums prepared me to play real drums. \n\nI took a drumming class in college, and the first time I got to try the real kit, the teacher of the class asked me how long I'd been playing lol",
"Lmao bro my mom straight up lost her job in 2008 and fell into depression. Her getting expert on every song on guitar hero 1-3 gave her the confidence to go back to college and start a new career. I 1000% give guitar hero credit as part of my mom's inspiration to start her life back up and reinvent herself. And she will kick your ass in guitar hero.",
"i would love to see this guy play an actual electric guitar.\n\nhe probably wrecks it harder than slayer,slash, iron maiden, dragonforce, and all black metal bands combined.",
"That man can click buttons fast and accurately.",
"Nope, fastest FC is 165%, fastest 7 star is 200%",
"I'm sure they are capable of doing so live. I think the point is that in a recording studio you would want a zero error approach and so they play slower in that setting.",
"and then?",
"TIL people still play guitar hero.",
"Li used to get pretty drunk before performances in the earlier days as well, leading to sloppy play. He's admitted as much.",
"Now try playing guitar",
"\"Don't fuck us!\"",
"I don't have any experience with the older versions to compare to, but it's worked pretty seamlessly for me",
"Yay Clone Hero has a viral video again!\n\nBut also oh no, Clone Hero has a viral video again, time for the same 8 comments as always.\n\n* No, you can not learn the same thing on real guitar in the time it takes to learn this\n\n* No, playing Clone Hero is not done *instead* of playing real guitar, it's a video game played for its own merit\n\n* No, he's not mashing random buttons\n\n* No, this is not how you finger a vagina\n\n* No, getting laid is not the goal of every action anyone ever takes\n\n* No, you do not have to be active in the game since 2005 to reach this level\n\n* No, you do not have to obsess over a single song to do this, you just get good at the game as a whole\n\n* Yes, this is a remarkable achievement",
"i 5 starred this with like 600k back in the day, used to play gh3 alot, loved it and wish i could play it again",
"I can't seem to find anything about rainbow unicorn dragon. Could you link them?",
"he probably complains about her finishing too fast",
">we have way better hardware\n\nAs someone still playing with a gh3 les paul (360 version), are you saying there are physical hardware limitations that have been improved upon? I feel like I can't physically strum the devil went down to georgia or the green grass and high tides parts due to the strum bar and not my actual strum speed",
"It looks outright insane to people that have not watched top level speedruns(?) Of guitar hero.\n\nI assume people ask you this all the time, but I hope I'm not being rude by asking you. Have you ever had a moment where you thought you would rather pick up a real guitar and spend the obvious skill you have into learning to play that instead? This sounds rude, but I have a dumb perception that learning a real instrument is somehow worth more than expending the same amount of work at a virtual instrument that is by comparison very limited as it only works with one game series and only on the songs listed in those games.\n\nAgain, I'm really sorry if I have come across as a judgmental asshole. I love speedrunning, and can see that aspect is the driving force to master something. I think I have the impression that mastering the guitar hero games seem close enough to mastering a real weapon, and that + thinking a real guitar is worth more is the reason I have the feeling I get from watching Guitar Hero mastery. I guess this comment is just as much me trying to get a better understanding of why I see it the way I do as well as learning what drives one to one mastery over another.",
"Username checks out.",
"The deep holes point up, you're welcome",
"Yeah, nearly pissed himself with joy",
"Legends cower before him. Fuck.",
"The most impressive part is the talking. I can't talk when I'm concentrating on music that hard.",
"“I got a temp ban just for quoting South Park!”\n\n“What was the quote?”\n\n“You are f***”",
"I have no idea why someone would spend time doing this lol",
"This guys muffin buffin skills on 1000",
"I once got through this song too! On normal difficulty. At normal speed. At 76%. Lol",
"I saw Dragonforce play in Houston when I was in high school, maybe 15 years ago or so, and they brought a kid up who got 100% on this on guitar hero, I don’t know if he was like the first ever to do it or what. Good concert",
"I would be curious to know his fapping speed. Or weather he just doesn’t in fear of burning it.",
"Pimp",
"And he is responding to people in the chat at the same time.. crazy",
"Nice.",
"No they eventually added some of the old catalog. When the game released it didn’t have the old songs. They eventually added a lot of them but nowhere near all of them.",
"[Real guitars are for old people ](https://youtu.be/UZlSeuU6np4)",
"Haha 😂 is this fuckin true?",
"I always assumed it was from some B-track to an educational video from the 80s. Apparently that's not far off.",
"I remember playing that game and then looking at the wall and it messed with my vision so much the wall just looked like it was climbing and I was on just normal speed. Cant imagine the wall crawl on this.",
"100% true. Just one of the many [ridiculous things](https://old.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/quj0np/ohio_university_student_messed_with_the_wrong/hksm9uv/) that happened in my time there. It was a great job for surviving the crash in '08.",
"A hero among men",
"I was the only one In my class who could do it on medium! The teacher let me bring it in on a Friday and we spent an entire class trying to beat my score",
"Most of it at this level is muscle memory. You dont need to look at what's coming really.",
"That’s what she said…",
"The only part about playing guitar that's helpful for Guitar Hero is rhythm. It's just a video game controller that happens to be shaped like a guitar.",
"They did, but nobody cared",
"What's the fastest you can mash buttons on a guitar hero controller before either it, the console, or the game starts to lose track of inputs? I'm curious how close these guys are getting to the maximum speed.\n\nAlso; damn, guys. I can't believe people are still doing that, it's been like 15 years.",
">Most of the time a pattern is repeated 4 or 8 times in a row in games like this (there are more patterns but those are most common) so its actually quite easy to just memorise segments at a time.\n\nBasically how musicians function as well. Specifics differ, of course, but the Um, Actually Brigade have already stopped reading to tell me I'm stupid.",
"Suddenly realizing how many spicy food fanatics I know who are also borderline alchoholics.",
"nice",
"I put all my cool stickers on one of them. It's priceless now. But I could check... didn't think they'd be worth anything anymore.",
"I gained hope for humanity by watching this.",
"Loomis plays for arch enemy. I'm not really into the vocals, but they are sung by this absolute goddess (she does the vocals for some of the locusts in gears of war)\n\nPetrucci plays for dream theatre. Not my kind of music, but it's a technical master piece. \n\nFreidman was megadeths lead guitarists for Rust in peace, countdown to extinction, and youthenasia. \n\nRust in peace is one of the greatest metal albums ever produced. And the best thrash album ever produced. I would start there. Listen to the original recordings, they're on YouTube.",
"You don't have to memorize songs to play guitar hero, but the guy in this video absolutely has each and every bit memorized. And we were talking about this guy specifically \n\nAlso like 90% of pop and rock songs are just 4 chords repeating in the same pattern over and over again",
"Ok. Let’s go. Nice. Let’s go.",
"same here, I'd love to buy one if they're not exorbitant",
"“Congratulations! YOU! ARE! FAGS!”",
"\"I'm gonna go piss\"\n\nHernan Li: yeh I'm pretty pissed too!",
"We need to bring this series back from the dead and you're the guy we need to spearhead this",
"I don’t disagree",
"Dude, chill, my girl’s on here.",
"The amount of notes going through there is so absurd it's impossible to actually read them and comprehend. The only way is muscle memory, surely.",
"Nice",
"CarnyJared has done some fantastic stuff in this game, I highly suggest browsing his YouTube.",
"how much do these usually go for?",
"They also play their shows way drunk lol. I watched Herman Li slip and crack his head off an amp and not miss a note. \n\nAlso, they play rhythm backing tracks live so they can both play the leads.",
"I beat it once and my friend kept bragging that he could beat it no problem. Dude used a rubber band for the intro and claimed that it didn’t matter",
"Whenever I feel bad about checking Reddit while playing with my kids…at least I didn’t waste my time learning to do this shit.",
"So far away we reach for Bengay!\n\nEdit: probably no one is gonna see this but I'm particularly proud of that pun.",
"I think it's because there was a video posted where Herman Li was showing himself in the studio playing a solo where he was sitting down because he had one foot on a whammy pedal and one foot on a wah pedal, so in theory (but not reality) couldn't be played easily live.\n\nI've seen em a few times. The only bad show I've seen was when they played Ozzfest.",
"Yeah they are very goofy. I can also chock up whatever sloppiness to them drinking/partying on stage too.\n\nI mean, they have cupholders with beer bottles with straws in them on their mic stands.",
"And that is how you get arthritis in one day",
"I could 5 star the first half of the playlist and thought I was good, with some of those being perfect plays on expert. I couldn’t 5 star most of the latter half, too fast for my hands. \n\nWhat this guy does is witchcraft. I’m sure of it.",
"^ can't play guitar and is mad",
"Yeah they did something similar at a show in Worcester. Herman Li was picking on his guitar and fretting on Sam's, who in turn was fretting on the bassist's, who in turn was fretting on Herman's guitar in a little triangle thing.\n\nAs a guitarist, It was fucking bonkers to see.",
"I was at their first show in the US and I felt wicked bad for Gamma Ray because they are legends but like everyone bailed after DragonForce.",
"I’d be afraid of jerking off as I’d be scared of ripping my own dick off.\n\nAlso I’d be scared to fingerblast any girl as I’m afraid I’d murder them if I was capable of doing anything near to what this guy was doing with his right hand.",
"I could fucking put you in the fetal position with my playing. My point was that at least streaming stupid fucking video game shit actually makes money. Playing guitar doesn't.",
"This dude talks at 275% too",
"We freaking loved Rock Band. It was so much fun to have our friends over get that shit going. We had the full setup. Guitar, bass, drums, mic, and even the keytar. We still break it out every now and then.",
"Does it mean something else now or has it just been completely removed?",
"That's a damned shame. I got to see Gamma Ray *and* Helloween together. They got both bands on stage to do future world and a few other Kai Hansen songs. It was damned impressive, seeing two entire bands playing at the same time.",
"A tall, frosty glass of bacon grease will soothe the burn away.",
"Lol I literally just watched this episode",
"Things that don't earn money are automatically a waste of time now?\n\nIf you started playing guitar in hopes to make it big, you're gonna have a bad time. That's not why one should start playing.",
"Hey you know what? You're absolutely right. Writing music is the most satifying thing in the world. I'm sure guitar hero can be satisfying, but probably not like making actual music. I take back my original post. I'm quite drunk lol",
" Congratulations! YOU. ARE. FAGS.",
"Well they play live at normal speed, so I'm not sure how anyone can seriously make this claim.",
"What a peculiar and stunningly accurate way to describe the feeling I was feeling.",
"mom i made it in the thumbnail",
"For anyone not aware, there is a difference between 100% and a Full Chart (FC) 100%. \n\nFC means you hit all the notes AND you didn't strum an extra note anywhere. \n\nThe multiplier for score is maintained as long as you don't miss any notes and you don't strum any extra times. \n\nIn Guitar Hero, if you strum when there are no notes on the screen, it counts as a miss for the multiplier. \n\nSo just as an example, if there were no notes to hit on the screen and you strummed the controller, your multiplier would reset, but it wouldn't count against your percentage of notes hit. \n\nSo in order to maximize your score, you need to maintain your score multiplier for every single note that comes across, meaning no extra strums. \n\nThere is more to it, like when the notes are all highlighted in blue, he is using his stored up boost (I forget what's it called) that you gain from pressing the bar that hangs down off the controller (I also forget what this is called) in the portions of notes that you hold down the buttons but don't strum. \n\nThis takes you to the maximum multiplier, x8, but only for a limited time. \n\nThere is strategy involved with that, too. You want to use it throughout the song at the right moments to get the most notes possible. It's actually really complicated and you can spend hours and hours perfecting songs on any difficulty, trying to fit one more note into your x8 timeframe.\n\nI spent a lot of time with a friend going for highshores on medium difficulty on scorehero.com one summer, like 18 years ago (holy shit). I think we both managed to get top 10 overall for medium on the website, where you had to manually enter your scores with screenshots of the post-song screen.\n\nSo I've played the game. I think I beat Through the Fire and Flames one time on normal expert. This is mind boggling.",
"Dude I literally taped down the orange button to beat the intro, I remember trying after school every day for weeks.",
"How good is the Asian better than him?",
"I don't see how - you can play the same songs, plus make up your own. You could entertain people, even if there's no electricity around.",
"He ain't gonna beat any world records this way though",
"Haven't you seen all the people popping up in that weird Reddit video thing, playing guitar or singing? Or what about the YouTubers making videos reacting to memes sent to them?\n\nAlso - so many people aren't making money at all yet off their video game streaming. You have to be entertaining for people to want to watch.",
"Damn I should've thought of that! I was always trying to hold it with my chin, and it made playing the rest so hard",
"Yeah I took back this comment in another comment. Real guitar is infinitely more worthwhile than guitar hero. I'm just a bitter and poor failed musician.",
"his masturbation sessions must be furious",
"Well if it makes you feel better - most people who wanted to make it in music are in that same boat. And always remember, someone you grew up with is probably still trying to make it in the rap scene.",
"Lol. I devoted my life to black metal. I fuckin wish I chose rap!",
"And coat your throat with a protective layer for the next bite!",
"There was also this, way back in the beginning of consumer VR... https://www.oculus.com/experiences/rift/744866972281509/",
"regular controllers are around 500hz, wii controllers with a raphnet adapter (like the one in the video) roughly 1000hz and guitars that are built from the ground up with arduino higher still (like impractically high, I have no idea)\n\nAt this speed, the song averages 23 notes per second. Of course there are unnnecessary inputs here and there but it's safe to say you wouldn't run into registration issues until long past 11,000% speed",
"you gain an immunity to that effect eventually",
"Rhythm, dexterity, timing. Much easier to catch on to if you have that implemented.",
"I never played on hard or medium, only expert so I wouldn't know. I just never knew anyone else who could do it on hard",
"It's like 85% muscle memory but there's also a little visual trigger you develop over time that tells you \"I saw a blurry shape hit the screen at this time, it's going to hit the bar at this time\" that gets faster and faster at recognising things.\n\n\n\nYou can tell when someone is good at rhythm games in general or if they've just practiced a few songs heavily. The expert players will have settings that increase the speeds the notes move across the screen so there is more of a space between them visually even though you barely see the shape of them so it's easier to trigger. If you make the notes faster they are only on screen half as long but are twice as far apart to make it easier to read.\n\n\nThe most impressive thing about this isn't reading the notes, it's the actual transition from strumming to fingerling the controller at the speeds he's doing it for a solid 3+ minutes and this song is one of the most difficult to endure tracks at normal speed...",
"Activision owns Guitar Hero.",
"I was able to download my all of old DLC since launch. Exports included.",
"On the Xbox? Very few were available and they slowly added some. There are still songs that I purchased before that weren’t available last time I checked. Mostly the songs that were from the RBN list.",
"Epic Games buys Harmonix, creator of ‘Rock Band’ and ‘Guitar Hero’\n\nhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wraltechwire.com/2021/11/23/epic-games-buys-harmonix-creator-of-rock-band-and-guitar-hero/%3famp=1\n\nSo maybe not the IP but the studio that made it.",
"Interesting, thanks for elaborating. The RSI must be absolutely brutal on these games!",
"MOOPS!",
"Settle down ladies, hes got fingers of fire!",
"He ain't gonna be writing any kickass solos either. What a waste.",
"Oh when you said normal speed I thought you meant medium. Got it! Why would you not play every song on every difficulty to unlock everything tho",
"What do you mean? I unlocked everything anyway. And it was just so boring to play on those difficulties. I'm sure I couldn't do everything on expert now, considering I haven't played in many years but back then, it wasn't fun or challenging on the lesser difficulties once I got good enough.",
"Maybe I'm misremembering, but thought you unlocked guitars/songs/outfits for beating it on certain difficulties\n\nEasy was painful, medium wasn't awful in the later songs imo\n\nI plugged in my Wii a couple months back and played but it just would but calibrate. It's possible I suck now, but the timing seemed way off even after adjusting :(",
"About how much are they selling for? I haven't played since the GH3 days but it would be fun to pick it back up with improved controller tech.",
"It obviously depends on what he wants from his life himself :shrug:",
"I make the same face when jacking it.",
"This man is a vampire! Reminds me of Lestat playing violin from Queen of the damned haha could you imagine this dude instead of lestat?",
"Wow!! Fucking legend mate!",
"😲 that's awesome. Great job",
"When I first tried this I thought, \"With all the effort it takes to be good at this, why don't I just learn how to play a guitar?\" So I did. Still no good at Guitar Hero though.",
"More power to him getting really good at playing a toy. I'm sure it's satisfying. Not as satisfying as guitar, but satisfying :)",
"To each their own, but that song is pretty bland. I'm not really a fan of Dark Tranquility's vocalist, nor his lyrics. They have a couple of songs I like a lot, but going through some of their albums there isn't a whole lot that stands out.",
"The halo effect is comprised entirely of former in flames members. Anders is great but all the soul from in flames is gone. Hence my excitement for the halo effect's album",
"Imagine being this condescending",
"Condescending and accurate.",
"Awesome, what controller do you use now?",
"Clearly we need to make SC2 playable on a Guitar Hero controller, think of the possibilities",
"On both consoles. You were actually able to download your old DLC ahead of RB4’s launch:\n\nhttp://www.harmonixmusic.com/blog/rock-band-4-legacy-dlc-download-begins-and-dlc-sale-update\n\nRBN songs were never ported over due to licensing reasons. I remember Harmonix making that statement awhile ago.",
"Yup, Harmonix created Guitar Hero but sold the rights to Activision many years ago. Epic would not have any ownership of that brand.",
"The brand doesn't matter. The studio that made it does.",
"Agreed",
"Calibration was an issue. I knew for sure with the drums but only with the new hdtvs that came out at that time. I don't know if it's still an issue but no matter how much I calibrated it did seem off on those newer TV's of the time",
"Holy shit this got me on my seats edge the whole video",
"Maybe that's it then! Now I just need to get an old TV...",
"Lol, good luck!",
"I was waiting for another New World debacle, but then I saw the subreddit…",
"That's metal AF",
"They were freaking amazing. Rocked out hard all night, tight, crafty, full of powerful agility. Sloppy they were not.",
"Glad to hear it :)",
"I like that he encourages himself. (I know it's streamer chatter, but it's generally positive and that's how you get better.)",
"Wow, that's amazing! Now he can put that on his resume and employers... will think he's a fucking loser, actually. Don't put that on your resume",
"This could be satire and I'd never know",
"Lol you crazy talented bastard, proud of you"
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"Ugh, that twat again",
"Seems to be confusing 'The Daily Beast' with 'ALL OF MEDIA', but whatever. I'm not really interested in any of these bobbleheads.",
"tbf most of reddit parrots these exact same points whenever he's mentioned these days \n \n I get not liking him he's fucking hard to listen to and I'm not a fan of his current schtick (or anything he's done for years tbh). But there was a thread the other day where he was labelled as anti-vax for just showing any kind of challenge against what mainstream media is espousing when he's clearly not anti-vax if you look at it.",
"The guy who told people not to vote, and choose anarchy instead, has credibility? 🤦♂️"
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"That's not real",
"Very clearly fake",
"/r/WhyWereTheyFilming/",
"R/securitycamerasexist",
"This isn't even good CGI. I could do a better job than this in after effects.",
"This is fake and you should be banned for spreading misinformation.",
"Was gonna watch it till someone said “yo guys check out this crazy video” and I noped out.",
"The color/luminance of the 'thing' - completely fake.\n\nAlso, camera waiting (not a security or dash cam, obviously), pointed at the building? That doesn't react (jerk/whatever) to a \"meteor\"? Hmm...\n\nPart of an amateurish film?",
"Embarrassing video. Love how the electrical cables and lines don't even twitch after a fucking explosion nearby.",
"do they usually shake and move around unpredictably like when someone is holding them?",
"I didn’t know you could be sexist towards a security camera.",
"Security cameras exist",
"If they’re holding the camera, filming the monitor of the security camera…\n\nNot saying this isn’t a fake, but he’s clearly filming a security camera monitoring center.",
"Oh I know that, I just didn’t realise you could be sexist towards a security camera like you said.",
"Slowest meteor ever, looks like 40 mph.",
"Pure hoax, he even threatened me under [my debunk video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouM6JHm6azI) (Dec. 3, 1am) 🤣"
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"You know what they say? A drawing of a watch is right twice a day.",
"That’s very true! sadly not quite as waterproof though",
"yeah baby yeaaaaah"
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"Wow. A few choice oversights in the visioning there.",
"That 300 baud accoustic modem though...\n\nYou'd only need 5000 of those connections in parallel to watch a 360p video at 60fps.",
"they have the internet on computers now! wow what will they think of next!",
"> ...the estimated 2000-3000 home computer users in the Bay Area...\n\nWell that is a statement.",
"News? On a computer? Yea right, what’s next music on television?",
"\"It takes over two hours to receive the text of the newspaper over the phone line and with an hourly use charge of 5 dollars the new *telepaper* wont be much competition for the 20 cent street addition.\" (emphasis mine because I love the term 'telepaper')\n\n5 dollars an hour in 1981. That equates to 15.31 an hour with inflation.\n\nThose cats were paying over thirty dollars and waiting two hours simply to read a newspaper with green typeface on a black background (I dont know the official term for it).\n\nWow.",
"I remember someone telling me in 1995 that they thought the internet was just a fad that wasn't much use for anything other than playing games.\n\nI remember the year because it was the same year Windows 95 came out.",
"One of those computers was a TRS-80 Model II. I used to do programming on that series. Yes, I'm old.",
"Yeah. But with no ads!",
"So if you multiply the price as you multiply speed what would gigabyte internet cost per hour?",
"[This song](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBdlScU7N6M)",
"Somebody correct me if my math is wrong.\n\nReally hard to tell what was used from that video alone, but assuming that the average user had something along the lines of an [IBM 5441](https://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?appname=skmwww&htmlfid=897%2FENUS185-097&infotype=AN&mhq=IBM%20Network%20Station%208361%20Series%20100&mhsrc=ibmsearch_a&subtype=CA) modem which has a speed of 1.2k bps. Which you can download about 550kB of data an hour. \n\nWith the 1Gb speeds of today you can download about 450GB an hour. \n\nTo download the same amount of data in 1981 would take 900k hours. At $5 an hour that would be $4.5 million.",
"Haha you are awesome thank you",
"Benbot2000\n\nOwns home computer",
"Windows 95 didn't release with internet explorer so even Microsoft wasn't betting big on the internet, at least not right away.\n\nI remember telling my friends it would be \"cool if there was an Encarta CD-ROM but it was online and free\" - seemed like science fiction back then.",
"I would imagine users would have just grabbed the pages they want to read and either printed them or saved them to a text file. The service was likely 300baud and 300bps, so with 7bit ASCII, parity and start and stop bits you would get a whooping 30 characters per second. So I would imagine that would translate to roughly 200,000 characters in 2 hours.",
"That aint the internet.",
"Oh man Encarta.\n\nMy dad won a 486 machine on a game shot and it had a CD ROM and Encarta.\n\nNo one at my school had heard of this stuff yet. My homework was dramatically simplified for me 😂",
"I liked the video clips and interactive trivia games. There were a lot of really good images and graphs and stuff IIRC for school work.",
"I remember getting into a fight with a kid in elementary school over whether 95 or 98 was better. I was firmly in the camp that 98 was better because the number was higher. He thought 95 was better because it's what his dad used.",
"There was a PC version of this game? I had no idea. I had it for the 3DO. It always bugged me that the cut scenes had amazing grunge tracks but the in game music was horrible.",
"Played on 3DO as well. Aaahh the memories.",
"That was a science fiction in 1981",
"\"...except for pictures, ads, and the comics\"\n\nOh how wrong you were."
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"The comedy here highlights something very profound about our society today.\n\nIn a very clear way, it shows how this kinds of racism is not only almost entirely missing in the white community, but also that even pretending racism rubs most people the wrong way.\n\nI have known many, many people like the first actors. Not kind of like them, but literally like them. I have never met anyone like the last actor, but they had to include him as the skit would've lost its appeal as merely something depressing rather than humorous.\n\nSocial commentary like this through comedy helps us come to terms more with the truth than political rhetoric does.",
"> I have never met anyone like the last actor,\n\nHave you tried visiting rural Missouri? Or pretty much anywhere rural in the U.S.? Those racists attitudes are very much out there, unfortunately.",
"> In a very clear way, it shows how this kinds of racism is not only almost entirely missing in the white community\n\nYou and I apparently live in very different white communities.",
">Have you tried visiting rural Missouri? Or pretty much anywhere rural in the U.S.? \n\nYes.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Those racists attitudes are very much out there, unfortunately.\n\nOut there? Sure. \n\nRare enough to make a joke about it? Definitely.\n\n....but I do know many city folks hate rural people and look down on them.",
"That is not true. We literally have people saying critical race theory is evil. Like, it’s happening right now. People are are trying to rewrite history.",
">That is not true. \n\nThe skit would not be funny if it weren't.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>We literally have people saying critical race theory is evil. \n\nYou cannot tell the difference between that last character and those who simply disagree with critical race theory?",
"chidooooooooooo",
"I think it's important to note that for me, this is about how people don't want to be perceived as racist, not about how they are not racist. This doesn't mean they are racist, just that the important thing is not to appear racist. I think we all harbor various forms of tribalisms, that's just human nature.",
"The guys who say that confederate flags are their heritage? They are the same crowd. \n\nWho are the people who ‘simply’ disagree with CRT, and what is your understanding of it?",
"Who is the second actor auditioning? Is he on the cast still or what? Was Sheldon hosting this one?",
">How many murders compared to Chicago for example?\n\nSt. Louis, Missouri is actually the highest murder per capita city in the country. Missouri as a state has the 2nd highest murder per capita of any state.",
"> You cannot tell the difference between that last character and those who simply disagree with critical race theory?\n\nSpreading the lie that critical race theory is running rampant in our K-12 schools is inherently racist. It's a straight up lie being perpetuated to scare racist people. *Maybe* you might find it taught in a graduate level college classes, but the entire reason the Right is lying about it being taught in K-12 schools is racist at its core.\n\nEdit: After looking at your account it's quite clear why you are pretending that racism doesn't exist and critical race theory is being taught to children. Absolutely disgusting.\n\nEdit 2: Do people really agree with this Right-wing Trump lover that racism isn't a problem in this country, but critical race theory is?",
"idk, I don't think those white dudes would hesitate to yell some slurs about Italians or Irish people if they were auditioning for a period piece about 19th century America. I grew up in Missouri and Kansas, and have met plenty of people like the first actors and the last actor. Some people seem to get that Black people haven't really been accepted into American culture the same way that other formerly hated minorities (Irish, Italians, Polish, Catholics, etc.) have, and so hateful language against them (even pretend) still feels like punching down. The whole joke is that the first actors know that it's bad to act like a slave driver and the last actor doesn't. Racial humor only works because racism still exists...",
">idk, I don't think those white dudes would hesitate to yell some slurs about Italians or Irish people if they were auditioning for a period piece about 19th century America. \n\nOf course....because those are white people.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>hateful language against them (even pretend) still feels like punching down.\n\nYes. Even pretend.\n\nThey are so offended by racism, that even pretending to be racist is utterly uncomfortable.\n\nThat is the joke. That they cannot even bring themselves to pretend.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n> The whole joke is that the first actors know that it's bad to act like a slave driver and the last actor doesn't.\n\nNo. That is not the joke, ***because it is not bad to pretend to be a slave driver for a movie.***\n\n&#x200B;\n\n> Racial humor only works because racism still exists...\n\nNo. This is not making fun of black people. This is making fun of white people...and how generally allergic to racism they are.",
"Ya, this is not the world I live in either.",
"Omg do we have to post gigantic yt channels here? Doesn't SNL have a huge outreach anyway? \n\nBesides, another cringe parody.",
"\"hate\" rural people? Really? That sounds a lot like you also think they hate religious people or that they want to cancel Christmas. I live in two places - one urban and one rural and I can say with certainty that there is far more outspoken and real anti-urban feeling in the rural town in which I live than there is anti-rural feeling in the urban town I also live in. Just a shitload more projection as far as I'm concerned.",
">Who are the people who ‘simply’ disagree with CRT, and what is your understanding of it?\n\n*<Raises hand.>*\n\nCritical Theory started in 1930s Germany as a justification to entirely reform society. Which was in itself an attempt to redefine Marxism after having observed the effect of central planning. (Specifically: a rise in totalitarianism, contrary to Marx's prediction that tearing down \"relations of production\" would lead to an era of class upheaval.) \n\nIt wasn't until the 1970s that some began cloaking it in race to bring this agenda into America. And it appears they have done so with such effectiveness that some people seem to think it's only about race. (I'll leave it to you whether you want to raise your own hand to that last part.)",
"It's not that racism is missing. It's that conversation has become so toxic that we can't have honest conversations and differences of opinion without polarizing the sides. And thus to avoid someone else lumping you into a group you don't identify with, the safest move is keep your distance.\n\nAfter all, calling people \"racist\" doesn't leave a lot of nuance for finding common ground.\n\nIn fact, let's sit back and see if this very reddit thread doesn't end up demonstrating that.",
"> The whole joke is that the first actors know that it's bad to act like a slave driver and the last actor doesn't.\n\nWhat? No man, the joke is that *acting* as a slave driver is fine, yet those people are still too scared to do it. Without that, we wouldn't have gems like Blazing Saddles. *Acting* is just that my dude, acting. Pretend. You're not supporting it, saying it's good, spreading it, or anything like that. You're simply playing a role in a movie, that's all.",
"Oh man, that was pretty good.\n\nI can't wait to read the lighthearted comments about the silly joke sketch we just watched.",
"> Critical Theory started in 1930s Germany as a justification to entirely reform society\n\nSo?",
">It's that conversation has become so toxic that we can't have honest conversations and differences of opinion\n\nThat is important to point out.\n\nThe mainly white audience finds it humorous that the actors in the skit have to even steer clear while auditioning for make believe.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>And thus to avoid someone else lumping you into a group you don't identify with, the safest move is keep your distance.\n\nYou summarized this better than I could. This all part of the profundity which goes beyond merely cheap laughs.\n\nThis skit is social commentary....and not the way it appears just on the surface.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>In fact, let's sit back and see if this very reddit thread doesn't end up demonstrating that.\n\nOooof.",
"The most unrealistic thing about this skit is that the casting director in real life would probably preface every audition with “It is understood that you are auditioning for a racist/slave owner and nobody’s gonna be mad at you for using slurs and epithets in the context of scene work”. No professional casting director is gonna be like “hey why don’t you improvise screaming the N word at this black casting assistant.”\n\nSo that’s really the joke here. A bunch of liberal-minded young white actors being told to do comically racist scene work without any assurances that they’re not gonna get in trouble.",
"> I have never met anyone like the last actor\n\nJust go to anywhere in rural AR, TN, MS, AL, GA, FL... and so many more.\n\nI went to school with them... they exist.",
"Don't bother engaging with them, they're an obvious troll or hate account. It's only a day old and it's just that kind of rhetoric.",
">**I have never met anyone like the last actor** \n> \n>Just go to anywhere in rural AR, TN, MS, AL, GA, FL... and so many more.\n\nBeen there, done that.\n\nThat last character is a wild caricature that had to be inserted to relieve the tension of the other characters the audience totally relate to.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>I went to school with them... they exist.\n\nI have no doubt they exist. Many of them probably in our most urban city centers.",
"[Blooper reel](https://www.metatube.com/en/videos/228846/SNL-Terrys-Audition-Extended-Cut/) for this sketch is hilarious. Sorry for the website its hosted on but SNL has removed it everywhere else. Probably due to the sensitive nature of the material.",
"> ....but I do know many city folks hate rural people and look down on them.\n\nJust like the rural folks hate city folk people and look down on them?\n\n*Think Lion King...*\n\n#♫ ♫ ♫ It's the circle of Hate ♫ ♫ ♫",
">that there is far more outspoken and real anti-urban feeling in the rural town in which I live than there is anti-rural feeling in the urban town I also live in.\n\nRural populations typically get grouped with their closest urban center and any news they see if from the urban center perspective. It engenders a feeling that only the urban center matters. Most urbanites could not give a rat's ass about what rural people are up to because we can't even keep up with our own community, but it is easy for that sentiment to play into the rural population's projection of how they are viewed.",
"yeah, sorry I agree. Substitute the word \"think\" for \"know\" in my previous comment and that's closer to what I was trying to say. \n\nthe point of my comment was responding to the idea that the sketch is funny because racism is \"almost entirely missing\" among white people as the guy above was saying (I disagree). There are definitely plenty of people in America that wouldn't have to do much acting to portray a slave driver the same as there are people who are so concerned with virtue signaling that they won't even say pretend words in a script.\n\nSort of stupid to argue about why a joke is funny either way I guess.",
"The skit is funny for the type of people that think SNL is funny aka liberals",
"This skit is racist.\n\nHow many of you here are old enough to remember Roots?\n\nAny of you seen Hollywood Shuffle?\n\nIt's from 1987 and makes fun of Hollywood slave tropes in the blaxploitation genre.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/_ASZ6K9cPNk\n\n12 years a slave is just modern blaxploitation, same as a ton of other media that Hollywood pushes out to pander to non racist white people who think everyone else but them is a bigot.\n\nOh look, it's a scary black guy behind the camera. Better make all the 'white guys' awkwardly stereotypical except for the stereotypical racist character.",
">And it appears they have done so with such effectiveness that some people seem to think it's only about race. \n\nI have personally never seen anything where CRT was even eluding to something other than race. Is that the effectiveness that you are talking about? Because to me it looks like a way of inviting self reflection and isn't mandating anything.",
"The first two guys auditioning aren’t on the show anymore. Yes, Jim Parsons who plays Sheldon was hosting",
"[Mike O'Brien](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_O'Brien_\\(actor\\))\n\nWriter from 2009-2015, featured player 2013-2014. \n\nJim Parsons (Sheldon) was indeed the host (March 1, 2014 ep)",
"**[Mike O'Brien (actor)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_O'Brien_\\(actor\\))** \n \n >Michael Patrick O'Brien (born June 22, 1976), is an American actor, writer, and comedian known for his work as a writer and short filmmaker on Saturday Night Live. He is the creator of the 2018 NBC comedy series A.P. Bio.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
"That website. Wow.",
"Oh wow. He's the creator of AP Bio.. loved that show.",
"I was hoping for Loiter Squad! They do it best lol",
"The fuck? \n \nNo dude. Just no.",
"10 minutes of ads, 5 minutes of video",
"\"Nooooooooooo...........don't wanna say those words\"\n\n\"Do you guys have any North parts?\"",
"Of course you're going to say that.\n\nThese movies are targeted towards American liberal demographics. The entire history of American pop culture is derivative of white American youth being infatuated with 'black people' as a historically victimized demographic.\n\nRoughly about 13% of the US is 'black'.\nSlavery ended like 156 years ago. Segregation legally ended about 60 years ago yet Americans aren't integrated, 'black people' are still exploited, and every year, the laundry list of these types of films gets longer and longer.\n\nMLK wanted integration and to get black people out of the ghetto and for Americans to just be American. That never happened because the establishment doesn't want it.\n\nBlaxploitation films in the 70s were geared towards white kids. Black people in the 80s protested because they wanted out of the ghetto and to be recognized just as regular people instead of stereotyped as criminals and ghetto villains.\n\nIn the 90s, the establishment countered by calling them African-American, then convincing everyone that they wanted to stay in the ghetto by choice, and then introduced gangster rap on top of it. At the same time, they doubled down on the black victim narrative and blaming 'white people' even though all this crap is corporate now.\n\nBLM shouldn't exist. The problem with cops killing black people is a byproduct of segregation. End segregation, solves the problem. Cops don't even shoot as many people as you guys think. The biggest killer of inner city youth is other high risk kids trapped in a shitty ghetto environment and used as entertainment for 'woke' white kids who couldn't even fathom the basics of socio-economic disparity without TV telling them how to feel.",
"\"I imagine myself being a house slave you know, we got it good we just like, wash dishes.\"",
"try using brave browser, i didn't see any ads",
"Puttin on bed sheets and shit!",
"“I don’t want to be seen with that.”",
"I’ll try it out, thanks",
"[Here](https://youtu.be/BMKAPB14rLY) is a YouTube link.",
"Lol. Joke. Ad. Joke. Ad. Joke. Ad. Joke. Ad",
"\"Sure everyone can do a southern accent\". True",
"That's where the Papa John's CEO went wrong. He just went with the script and someone leaked the recording.",
"Thanks for your reply but I was asking the person who has decided to totally ignore my question. The person who insists that racism doesn’t exist and we are all overreacting",
"> In the 90s, the establishment countered by calling them African-American, then convincing everyone that they wanted to stay in the ghetto by choice, and then introduced gangster rap on top of it. At the same time, they doubled down on the black victim narrative and blaming 'white people' even though all this crap is corporate now.\n\nThis reads like a wikipedia article written by someone who was raised in a basement and found out about the USA 15 minutes ago.",
"I was looking for this a while ago! Thanks for the share.",
"That, or UBlock Origin. Instant page load with no advertisements, and that's on my slow Chromebook. It's available from Chrome and Firefox.\n\nThe dude who runs it made \"adblock plus\" before it was bought out and destroyed, if I'm not mistaken.",
"would you like a waffle that part got me 😂😂😂",
">I have personally never seen anything where CRT was even eluding to something other than race. Is that the effectiveness that you are talking about? Because to me it looks like a way of inviting self reflection and isn't mandating anything.\n\nI don't know where the word \"mandating\" got into this so I'm going to strike that part.\n\nThe point is that if race affects everything in society, then everything is subject to critique under the heading of race. If I offered up an example, would you not on some level resort to that defense? And whose example would even count, if the person who invented the term (Max Horkheimer) does not?\n\nHere's a pretty major instance, the [NEA's adopted resolution this past summer](https://web.archive.org/web/20210704090803/https://ra.nea.org/business-item/2021-nbi-039/).\n\n>Provide an already-created, in-depth, study that critiques empire, white supremacy, anti-Blackness, anti-Indigeneity, racism, patriarchy, cisheteropatriarchy, capitalism, ableism, anthropocentrism, and other forms of power and oppression at the intersections of our society, and that we oppose attempts to ban critical race theory and/or The 1619 Project.\n\nNote that's an archived link because they deleted the text from their website after it hit the press. (But not before it had passed; see \"adopted as modified\".) \n\nThat's a heck of a list, and thus additionally damning by association. If you read my prior comment you shouldn't be surprised \"capitalism\" was mentioned. So I'll call out \"anthropocentrism\". Do you think it's properly addressing racial issues to simultaneously say \"also humans aren't better than animals?\"\n\n(Also may I mention something *not* listed? Government. Does government not have power? Has it not increased racial oppression? Is it not \"at the intersections of our society\"? Conspicuously absent from this \"already-created, in-depth study\".)\n\nThe above, by the way, from K-12 teachers. [Less than a third](https://www.equityinhighered.org/indicators/secondary-school-completion/naep-12th-grade-achievement-levels/) of 12th grade students are proficient in reading. (And it's less than 20% of black students.) But instead of spending more time on that the NEA wants to trust that students already know enough to properly analyze cishetropatriarchy and the socioeconomic ramifications of hegemonic masculinity.\n\nIf this all seems overwrought to you and you simply think we should reflect on how race affects us all, then great. Me too. Let's drop the \"critical theory\" part of CRT and just talk about race without using it as a trojan horse. \n\n(By the way, you mean \"alluding\". \"Eluding\" means to evade. No biggie, just FYI.)",
"So it's exploitative to co-opt another issue to sneak in an agenda without even the honesty of stating the original objectives.",
"critical race theory isn't history. I learned all about history without critical race theory",
"That’s a dumb take, as if you need to adhere to the original objectives when it comes to social science.",
"I don't think that's what he was suggesting, but if he doesn't want to give you a reply then it's not my place to speak for him.\n\nLook, I understand trying to have a one-on-one conversation where you drill down on something, then others chime in and deflect it. So that's fine you don't want me doing that. But since you asked who \"simply\" disagrees with CRT and I offered up the best example I could, I think in good faith you should (privately) acknowledge there is a pretty big difference between that and waving a confederate flag.\n\nIf you didn't see it, [I gave that person a response](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r5us0f/12_years_a_slave_auditions_saturday_night_live/hmpttta/?context=3) and he ended up agreeing with me. So perhaps there's common ground for all 3 of us.",
"Oh some people are adhering to them. Just not on the surface. But I'll rephrase:\n\nIf your goal is to discuss race and ongoing systemic issues, and you *aren't* supporting Critical Theory as coined by Max Horkheimer, then maybe it would be smart to drop the \"C\" and the \"T\" from CRT. You'd get more focus where you want it and fewer objections.\n\nOf course if the goal is to argue as much as possible, then let's be sticklers for oft-misunderstood and poorly-defined vocabulary. And what is the goal of political discourse these days, if not arguing at all costs?",
"This is such a strawman I can't tell if you're astroturfing or not.",
"Thank you for the example, it was very helpful. I can definitely see now where the emphasis is more critical theory than race. Also, elude vs. allude. I freaking hate when I switch up things like that. Thanks for being kind about it. As for why I said \"mandating\" I was extrapolating from your comment on totalitarianism (I believe is what you said) and to me the hallmark of those types of governments is to force everything into being.\n\nAfter reading your comment I do think that we will just disagree about this. I think critical theory is actually a very important subject and useful to improve ourselves and move forward. For CRT it helps in understanding how things have worked in that it establishes racism as a tool in a larger enterprise (though I admit it all becomes muddied). Power structures are intentionally built as a hydra because they aren't very powerful if they are rigid and brittle. I would not say that racism was invented to prop up political oppression, but that our natural inclination towards tribal identification has always been a useful lever to pull when you want power. When you attempt to pull racism out and look at it on it's own I feel you can only go so far before you start becoming disingenuous. By the same token I feel that CT suffers the same issue if it is just CRT. Race is a variable in a complicated equation. It just happens to be easily identifiable which is, again, why it is an effective tool for power shaping.\n\nI may be wrong but I feel like you are saying \"can we talk about race without bringing in critical theory?\" My opinion is can we talk about critical theory without without the idea that it is entirely about race. I think that is what the NEA is trying to do, but is putting race as the poster issue.\n\nI think one of your arguments is that we are not ready for critical theory. That our students are not able to read proficiently so how are we supposed to trust them on how to think. I will say that I gauge my own assessment as naively optimistic because I assume everyone who has had the chance will come around to a healthy skeptical conclusion so all they need is the chance. I mean, I know that is wrong, but it is easy to slip into that. But at the same time is it worse to introduce topics that induce contemplation and discussion rather than ensuring the drones have basic competencies to perform the drone work that will consume the rest of their lives? Give them a reason to read and they will learn to read.\n\nI think where the NEA gets it wrong is to have a list at all. Critical theory is about studying the levers of power and contemplating whether they are just. Having a list means you are stating that you have already identified those levers which should be part of the exercise. There is nothing wrong with leading the discussion with a list but the contents of the list should be part of the discussion and not the framework. I think this is where it tripped you up (and shame on them for doing so). Their objective is \"damned by association\" because right off the bat you are not 100% satisfied with their list and it is easy to see why because it is easy to imagine anything on that list only having bad things mentioned about it in the curriculum. Hopefully there are root issues and causes in the curriculum and things are put in for discussion instead of lecture. You mention capitalism. Will it be stated as the best system for trade we have come up with for a population that can't trust one another but here are the nasty byproducts we should look to address? Anthropocentrism... Yeah, we are obviously the most successful species on the planet and have earned our spot on the top but should we be the reason for mass extinction? White supremacy... any notion of racial supremacy is bad. We happen to have an historically recent example where that was white. Don't take it personally unless it describes you.\n\nI don't think the curriculum would be what you want it to be. But I would rather have a discussion with someone who knows things are borked instead of someone who thinks things are pretty much just fine and the pilgrims and the natives lived happily ever after and ingrained tribal prejudice was not used to justify the usurping of resources while still being able to sleep soundly at night.",
"Thank you for the example, it was very helpful. I can definitely see now where the emphasis is more critical theory than race. Also, elude vs. allude. I freaking hate when I switch up things like that. Thanks for being kind about it. As for why I said \"mandating\" I was extrapolating from your comment on totalitarianism (I believe is what you said) and to me the hallmark of those types of governments is to force everything into being.\n\nAfter reading your comment I do think that we will just disagree about this. I think critical theory is actually a very important subject and useful to improve ourselves and move forward. For CRT it helps in understanding how things have worked in that it establishes racism as a tool in a larger enterprise (though I admit it all becomes muddied). Power structures are intentionally built as a hydra because they aren't very powerful if they are rigid and brittle. I would not say that racism was invented to prop up political oppression, but that our natural inclination towards tribal identification has always been a useful lever to pull when you want power. When you attempt to pull racism out and look at it on it's own I feel you can only go so far before you start becoming disingenuous. By the same token I feel that CT suffers the same issue if it is just CRT. Race is a variable in a complicated equation. It just happens to be easily identifiable which is, again, why it is an effective tool for power shaping.\n\nI may be wrong but I feel like you are saying \"can we talk about race without bringing in critical theory?\" My opinion is can we talk about critical theory without without the idea that it is entirely about race. I think that is what the NEA is trying to do, but is putting race as the poster issue.\n\nI think one of your arguments is that we are not ready for critical theory. That our students are not able to read proficiently so how are we supposed to trust them on how to think. I will say that I gauge my own assessment as naively optimistic because I assume everyone who has had the chance will come around to a healthy skeptical conclusion so all they need is the chance. I mean, I know that is wrong, but it is easy to slip into that. But at the same time is it worse to introduce topics that induce contemplation and discussion rather than ensuring the drones have basic competencies to perform the drone work that will consume the rest of their lives? Give them a reason to read and they will learn to read.\n\nI think where the NEA gets it wrong is to have a list at all. Critical theory is about studying the levers of power and contemplating whether they are just. Having a list means you are stating that you have already identified those levers which should be part of the exercise. There is nothing wrong with leading the discussion with a list but the contents of the list should be part of the discussion and not the framework. I think this is where it tripped you up (and shame on them for doing so). Their objective is \"damned by association\" because right off the bat you are not 100% satisfied with their list and it is easy to see why because it is easy to imagine anything on that list only having bad things mentioned about it in the curriculum. Hopefully there are root issues and causes in the curriculum and things are put in for discussion instead of lecture. You mention capitalism. Will it be stated as the best system for trade we have come up with for a population that can't trust one another but here are the nasty byproducts we should look to address? Anthropocentrism... Yeah, we are obviously the most successful species on the planet and have earned our spot on the top but should we be the reason for mass extinction? White supremacy... any notion of racial supremacy is bad. We happen to have an historically recent example where that was white. Don't take it personally unless it describes you.\n\nI don't think the curriculum would be what you want it to be. But I would rather have a discussion with someone who knows things are borked instead of someone who thinks things are pretty much just fine and the pilgrims and the natives lived happily ever after and ingrained tribal prejudice was not used to justify the usurping of resources while still being able to sleep soundly at night.",
"When he starts tapping with the whip and says his line. Fuckin dead",
"You're very kind in that response yourself, and I think maybe we're not so far apart as it seems.\n\nThe good thing about CRT is that it encourages us to question \"why things are like this\" and \"how structure can follow principles\" rather than simply accept existing the status quo as the only way possible. That kind of thinking should absolutely be encouraged and will benefit all subjects, not just social studies.\n\nMy significant fear is that it undermines the difficulty of the answers. To me CRT seems ready-made to spoon feed someone else's answer. And (perhaps worse), infect people with a pessimism that society is terrible because people are evil. (Although really those go together. Get people focused on negativity and they will embrace an alternative without critique. I could give a whole dissertation on this, but I'd really digress.)\n\nFor example, if concerned about \"patriarchy\", here are 3 possible takeaways:\n\n1) Let's look into biology and psychology and how it informs statistical (but not universal) preferences that differ between genders. And study anthropology to analyze how family structures developed. (E.g. Marriage and patriarchal family names were a way of tracking parentage in days before birth certificates and DNA tests.) And afterwards discuss pros and cons of alternatives made possible by modern society.\n\n2) Men used brute strength to dominate women and then arranged society to maintain control for their own benefit.\n\n3) To be more inclusive we should move beyond the parent/child structure. It takes a village to raise a child, and each should grow up in communities where dozens of parents raise dozens of kids collectively, all equals and sharing the responsibility.\n\n(If you didn't know, #3 was tried via Israeli \"kibbutz\" from the 50s through the 80s. They were utter failures. At best people ended up leaving the structure to embrace family structure. At worst, children ended up with self-esteem issues due to feeling unsupported or having individuality undermined.)\n\nNow the reason I said you and I maybe aren't so far apart is that I think we'd both want #1. But it's by far the most difficult answer. And us humans, we like intellectual shortcuts. How do we make sure students don't get steered into 2 or 3? Especially the way it's primed. I don't think a list that starts with \"white supremacy\" and \"anti-Indegeniety\" has any intention of doing pros and cons later in the list. And like I said at the start, Critical Theory has never been about objective analysis. It was always a justification for social upheaval.\n\nThere are better ways to get students into the discussions we want. Let's talk about psychological biases (like the tribalism you mentioned). That gives an understanding of what leads to racism and how to fight it. (Along with other bad things.) Much better than \"White supremacists exist and that's bad. Discuss.\" Or how about a brief overview of moral philosophy? \"This is what Aristotle thought was just. Here's utilitarianism as described by John Stuart Mill. Here's a new theory by John Rowles. What are the pros and cons of each?\"",
"Cheers! And to add to that I fear that a huge issue is that most teachers today would be walking into a conversation like ours kind of blind. And it isn't because I am some really smart person. It is more that I am older than many teachers and when I was in my 20's and 30's I wasn't ready manage conversations like that though I could participate.\n\nStill, I feel like most of the NEA and criticism about CT is summed up by the Dude. \"You're not wrong, you're just an asshole.\" And in this case there isn't anything wrong with CT. It is just that the wielders lack the humility and self-awareness needed to do it right."
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"Coming more towards the northern side of the Appalachians this is interesting. Yet, I can still understand them.",
"Really interesting video, I grew up partially around those parts and always was fascinated by some of the accents.",
"Well, I have family in East Kentucky all the way up through Pittsburgh towards the Lakes. I grew up with this language, and have lived in NYC, and it's always a topic of interest at parties.\n\nI've had conversations with people and they asked me to speak Appalachian, which I can switched up easily. They love it. People on the East Coast and elsewhere are fascinated by it from my experience. It's perhaps one of the most unique dialects in the English speaking world outside of the old country.",
"The first guy is legendary moonshine maker Popcorn Sutton. Pretty interesting doc on him here:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glQjCKAI4gA",
"Pecker-wood: Asshole\n\nJasper: Stranger\n\nSi-gogglin: Not straight or skew in the sense of construction, or roads\n\nPrit'eneer: Close to correct, but not exactly\n\nPoke: A bag, or something you would put into from shopping and go home\n\nFl'eur: Flour as in the grinding of wheat or other grain\n\nPlumb: Correct, or just off correct. \"Plumb-near means to be nearly straight.\"\n\nAirish: Chilly, but also means cold as in people's positions on others\n\nDopes: Coca-cola, but also now means drugs and other narcotics, used to mean Sodi-pop\n\nSodey(ie) pop: Carbonated beverage, any kind\n\nBoomer: Don't ask, because they won't tell you, (because no one has come to a conclusion). Actually, it's a mythical beast the size of a cat or large rat that causes mischief like a Gremlin or some such\n\nBat'rie: A battery or power source\n\nYonder: Far away in an ill-defined way; but close, but not too close\n\nFro'nat'yew: Close to home, but not so close\n\nHollar: A geologic cut in a ridge\n\n/I could go on and on.",
"My people! <3 \n\nMy daddy would have to go out of town on business trips and we'd ask where he was going. His reply was always, \"down the hen's nest\". Ask anyone on my paternal side how they're doin'? They answer, \"Oh, fair to middlin'.\" lol I love my family.",
"I live in KY...my father grew up in the hills(mountains)and is as country as a cowboy boot,and I can tell you for a fact the language in the hills is FAR different from anything you might have heard anywhere else except other hills. The really funny part is my mother was an English teacher for over 30 years and speaks like a proper Brit or something,absolutely HILARIOUS to hear them together....HOWdy is a normal greeting,and anything that isn’t close to you is over yonder. Jim Tom is the man on the moped,legendary moonshiner.\n\nEdit: I’ve been served groundhog,squirrel and the ENTIRE hog inside and out (including testicles) at their home.",
"Sure do like my moped",
"Try the Sea Islands of the Carolinas, that's pretty much another language.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijl7Sg3ZAd0",
"pre oxy Appalachia",
"Bluegrass sang-gers",
"Is there a term for a cold humid day? The kind of weather conditions where the cold gets into your bones, but not from wind? \n\n\nI ask because I want a word for this, so if anyone has one, no matter the language or dialect, please let me know",
"Most lovely music genre to come out of the US. \n\n\nDon't get me wrong, most American music genres are great, but no one would describe the blues, rap or rock and roll as lovely music I don't think.",
"Agreed!",
"This is an old documentary. A new one would be interesting. Quite a few of the subjects in this one are probably gone by now. Makes me wonder how the language has changed. Then of course you'd have to navigate the opioids crisis that you allude to. Probably sad in both regards.",
"I’ve been living in Pikeville for two years. Have yet to hear it. Most accents and slang are super similar to Middle TN where I’m from.",
"What's wrong with clammy?",
"I loved the discovery show Moonshiners for the first few seasons. The first season featured Popcorn Sutton. My favorite guy was Jim Tom Hedrick who is also in this video (moped guy). I just looked him up and seems he is still around and associated with sugarland distillery. Guys a hoot, and me and my friend still quote him when we are drinking together.",
"I associate that with being cold from getting sweaty, not the weather. Like it's something that happens to your body, not a weather condition",
"Earl: oil\n\nWarsh: wash",
"These are my people - I grew up in western North Carolina, and at least a few of them seem to be from there too (references to Waynesville and Atlanta/Raleigh make sense). It’s funny…you don’t realize that some of the words you grew up with are unique to your dialect until you hear it in a video like this. \n\n“He threw it plumb across the field” was a completely normal thing to hear, as was “it’s all gommed up”. A lot of them were clearly “old people” words even 10-20 years ago, though…pokes, dopes, yonder, etc…the old people in my church would have said them, but not young adults. \n\nI’ve since moved away from NC, but listening to these accents makes me happy. Thanks for sharing.",
"I had to look up where that is. Seems to be right in the middle of it. I've always been fascinated by that area and hope to visit someday. Not sure what to expect though. From your observation it seems quite a bit different than what documentaries like this or general stereotypes portray it as.",
"It is quite a bit different. Coal and opioids have caused a big shift.\n\nIf you do visit Pikeville is your best bet. It’s one of the few towns that are actually growing after everything that has happened. It has the only optometry school and 1 of 3 med schools in KY. So that brings some common amenities while only being a short drive from places like Harlan County, Blair Moutain, etc… Hatfield and McCoy feud is local too.",
"Raw. \"It's plumb raw out there\"",
"I believe this was a part of a longer doc focused on variations of English through the US, also talked a lot about regional Pidgin and Creole. Super interesting stuff",
"Grandpa uses catty wompus a lot for something off or not level.",
"I disagree, I find the most fascinating the ones close to Canada that sound Irish",
"Hi, if you could find a link to the doc I’d be thankful! I’m very fascinated by accents in the US.",
"Rye whiskey, rye whiskey, please don’t let me down!! Lol. I love Jimtom. He’s a fantastic story teller-which is another great Appalachian tradition.",
"There's \"dank,\" which I've used to describe a cold, wet basement or something like that. I've also used to use it to describe weed back when I was in high school lol. I don't think I've ever used it to describe the weather, though.",
"[This one off the coast of Virginia is pretty interesting](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIZgw09CG9E)",
"runin: means running, but it's just how you say it",
"This is why I truly believe “The Wild and Wonderful Whites of West Virginia” is a fantastic piece of film. When you watch it as a documentary on the opioid epidemic in the 2000’s, it stops being so funny. People nowadays probably wouldn’t believe how many pills per person there was floating around Appalachia and the Rust Belt. Everybody seemed to require around the clock pain management, as well as Xanax for their “anxiety”. I lived through it and I still have a hard time believing it.",
"Yeah, super interesting. I love different accents..one of the things I heard recently was on a Canadian podcast, which I also love their accents, but some sounded Irish to the point I almost couldn’t understand them.",
"Try talking to Cajuns from the bayou",
"I’d argue that the bonacker accent is just as unique, and is barely even spoken anymore. Grew up around it but never really learned it. Couldn’t really understand my great grandad lol\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonackers",
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"My Grammy used to call wet cold mornings, \"Guam\" which means wet mess. It's not an exact translation. I've also heard her call really cold wet humid days \"[booger guams](https://www.visitmysmokies.com/blog/smoky-mountains/appalachian-words-didnt-know-existed/).\"",
"OP's clip is from \"Mountain Talk\" which specifically is about Appalachian English. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHIJfbYhQFg\n\nBut /u/FunkNShine is correct in that \"Mountain Talk\" was part of a series of documentaries covering several English dialects. There's one on Ocracoke Brogue, AAVE, etc.",
"my grandmother, born 1927, is a first generation Italian American whose family settled in some small coaltown in central PA before they moved to north Jersey outside NYC. and all i'm hearing is her voice",
"Awesome, thank you",
"What’s AAVE?",
"my great-grandparents migrated to Indiana from North Carolina and brought back quite a few slang terms. every time I walk in the house without taking my hat off, my grandmother would call me a peckerwood.",
"Oh, ok thanks",
"I’m in the south and so far it sounds like just southern accents (OP post).",
"Hey, we say fair to middlin' here too. (East Texas)\n\nThere was even a band from Sulphur Springs that took the name \"Fair to Midland\" as a sort of boneappletea version of the saying.",
"Not a word, but a phrase.\n\n*colder than polar bear pussy*",
"Was it on PBS or?",
"maybe the blues",
"Shoot, this sounds normalish compared to some areas around me. I'm around the Appalachian, which would explain it.\n\nCan an accent get water down where it sounds close but not exactly?",
"they're obviously not the same, but general Southern accents and AAVE are very related, because for obvious historical reasons African-Americans were concentrated in the South up until the Great Migration.",
"Growing up with my Grandma and her sisters fro WV, all this is just normal speaking to me. Even though they’ve been gone years, and I moved away 30+ years ago.",
"Man.. I love the dialect and slang of the south. I’ve lived in South Carolina almost all my 47 years, cept’n fir a short spell in Alabama…haha. \n\nFirst thing that struck me in the video was when the old guy was giving directions. When I was in Alabama, I sold satellite dishes to people in the country/rural areas so they could get “cable”(before the 18” dish).\n\nI’d get a few leads a day, but the directions were always horrible. I learned that people out in the country don’t have a clue about highway names and numbers. If you ask them where 532 Hwy 74 is, they’ll be confused as hell. Instead, just ask them where Joe Springer lives. You’ll get a rundown something like, “head down the road thatta way ‘bout a quarter mile. You’ll see a pasture with a big ole barn at the end. Turn down the next left and go ‘bout another half mile, past the big tree stump on your left, and you’ll see a brick house with blue pickup truck in the drive. Turn down the next street after the pickup truck and look for the house with 2 dogs in the pen. That’s Joe’s house.” Thing is, their directions were always spot on.. lol.\n\nAnother quick story…my Aunt from Pennsylvania came to visit my grandmother (her sister) in South Carolina for a couple weeks one summer. My grandmother got a call that her car was ready after getting some body work done, so I picked her and my grandmother up so she could get her car. Now..my grandmother grew up in WW2 Germany, and despite having married my grandfather and left Germany shortly after the war ended, she maintained a THICK German accent until she died. My Aunt, also a German immigrant, lost hers mostly, but instead had a thick Pennsylvania accent. Then there’s me..definitely some southern accent, but not too bad. But having family from the north, having lived in the south, and having grown up with my grandmother, I was fluent in all 3.\n\nWe get to the shop and there’s a guy in there (employee) taking a break from the heat in the A/C office. Guy was from a pretty rural part of South Carolina and had a thick southern accent. Neither my grandmother nor aunt could understand him, so I had to translate for them. Then.. lol..they all 3 started talking to each other, and I had to translate between the ladies and the guy, both ways, because he couldn’t understand either of them and they couldn’t understand him. 3 different dialects of English, all totally incomprehensible to each other. A unique experience that I’ll never forget:)",
"I live in cotton country, and I believe the \"fair to middlin'\" thing came from the rankings of quality on cotton bales. Middling grade cotton was considered average quality, and it's a standard to measure all other grades of cotton. Fair to middling is another average grade, and it's most often used for denim.",
"I haven't heard \"peckerwood\" out loud since my Dad died almost a decade ago... only in my head. Thanks for making my day!",
"Yes, obviously. I am just interested in accents in the US across the country, I just find it very interesting.",
"It is another language, [it’s called Gullah](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gullah_language)",
"These are my people",
"A boomer is a red squirrel.\n\nSource: born, raised, and live in WNC.",
"\"He had also prepared a footstone in advance for his gravesite, and for years he had kept it by his front porch and had kept his casket ready in his living room. The epitaph on his footstone reads \"Popcorn Said Fuck You\".[12][23]\"\n\n damn, that's badass",
"He committed suicide to avoid 18 months in prison. Realistically 9 months and then 9 months house arrest.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nSeems a bit of an over-reaction. He would probably even get better medical care for his cancer in prison than whatever he was doing on his own.",
"Si-gogglin' is my favorite",
"It is like I'm talking to my Murican family members. Davinport = couch. Spider = frying pan.",
"I used to love that show! Which one was the guy who fell off the still, and when he was laid up he was drinking some shine, and said something like “the cause and cure is one and same…” lol",
"you might have already seen it, but this series of videos is fascinating and has some really cool American accents in it:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1KP4ztKK0A",
"Would be interesting to see generational differences. This is a 17 year old movie, it's mostly old people, and they're often talking about things their parents or even grandparents said. Would like to see a comparison to younger people back then, and maybe also younger people today.",
"Sure you aren't speaking Baltimorese?",
"I used to drive through Appalachia when I'd go to the TN lakes and the family would stop at a McDonalds there to feed us kids at the time.\n\nI remember having to squint to try and understand what the McDonald's woman at the counter was saying to me...but on the way home for the weekend, at the same stop, I'd be fluent in \"*billy*\" as we called it.\n\nJust hearing these guys speak it again...starts to make me...adjust how I speak in my own head.",
"Thanks for sharing, this was really interesting. The mountain dialect isn’t one that gets explored a lot in film/TV/books but there’s definitely a lyrical quality to it. Feel like I gained a new appreciation",
"That had to have been “Tickle” he was always plastered.",
"Seeing the spelling provided \"gaumed\" up, I understand that. I just here it as gummed up in NJ, like everything is stuck up with gum. Or at least that's how I interpret it.",
"My grandmother got speech lessons in order to get rid of her Appalachian hillbilly accent as a young girl, in order to improve her hireability.",
"That's the language my grandfather spoke. And she's going slow. I didn't understand him until I was in my teens.",
"Is anyone else extremely anxious watching the wind blow the pages of that guy’s book?\n\nOh no, he’s gonna lose his page!\n\nBut then he doesn’t do anything about it. He just lets ‘em blow!....Why is he even holding an open book if he doesn’t care what page he’s on?!",
"Principles mean everything to people in this region, however ridiculous it may seem",
"That’s a great name.",
"I can understand it. Some of us have principles.\n\n\nEven though I'm honorless now, i still maintain those principles.",
"I moved to wnc from the north in 2004 and I couldn't understand some old people. We stopped for directions and got \"go down yonder take a right and go down the holler a bit till you hit some branch. Y'all hava nice day now.\" Or something to that effect. Yeah the accent is unique for sure. It was funny to me when I went to school and they would say \"yaou taulk funny\" at my northern accent.",
"I thought it was a holler, not a hollar?",
"I feel like I would do alright with these folk, get into the deep bayou and that's when you can't understand shit.",
"\"I'll die before I go to prison for crimes I pled guilty to\" is a weird principle to hold.",
"It’s sad this shit is dying/dead. The internet had made for a gentrification of speech. Notice how all the words they say “my grandparents said this”",
"Yea I know but neither you or me spent our lives making moonshine illegally and heaving to deal with the law that comes with that so who am I to judge his reasoning",
"Ah, my home province of Newfoundland.\n\n[Land & Sea: Life on the Cape Shore](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIb-rVl2Eg0)\n\n[Land & Sea: Talamh an Eisc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5-CPgrebco)",
"Parts of Ohio use words like yonder ,plumb, and gummed up…which is what I grew up with. Every once in a while the twang comes through depending on who I’m around. \n\nMy mothers generation uses all sorts of shit crazy words. Like warsh. “Yall warsh up for supper”. Or stuff like the word jernly. Can you guess what that is?",
"“Just go down the road a piece and hang a left at the ole tree stump. If’n ya pass a 3 legged cow yall went too fer…..Ya’ll find it”\n\nEdit for clarity. A piece is pretty much the same as “about as fer as you can see”",
"You're MrMiner420!",
"Around here we call days that are pretty cold but not freezing “nipply”",
"Freezin balls cold",
"My mom (eastern Tennessee) would say it was “all nipply out” which means it’s so cold your nipples would poke through your shirt.",
"So interesting. All of these seem normal to me in Michigan. Even si-goggly 😂. I generally say side-googly, but same idea. \n\nAnd I'm from Michigan, so super weird...",
"I don't know if they say these in Appalachia, but they're certainly not exclusive to there. These are both inside jokes in my family. My dad is from Southern Illinois and he and everyone where he grew up say warsh, carn, harse, fark. I had a teacher in high school who said warsh too, I asked him after class one day if he was from Southern Illinois too,, turned out he was from Southern Indiana. And one of my parents friends is from Louisiana and says earl for oil.",
"All I know is you can feel good about Hood",
"I was born and raised in West Virginia. These guys sound similar to many many people I have known. There are more regional accents among Appalachia. Most of the ones in the video sounded more NC than Kentucky or WV. I love the area that I'm from, all the good and the bad. \n\nFunny enough, there was an old gas station/ convenience up the holler from where my maternal family was based out of called Poke-n-Tote. I'm not sure if I actually remember it or just the stories of it. I could show you where it was though.",
"I come from the land of Pennsyltucky",
"Man I was born an raised in WV and delivered pizzas in high school. Wou wouldn't believe the directions that I got sometimes. Quite often there were references to landmarks of days long past, like a barn that burnt down 20 years ago. Funny thing was, you would eventually learn them and use them yourself. Lol",
"Some of the accents you get from [the more isolated areas of the east coast are crazy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7MvtQp2-UA).",
"My parents did the same for me. I’m in my mid-30s and grew up in Augusta County, VA",
"I have noticed somewhat of a modernization in my 26 years in WV. Although, up the hollers, the dialect is alive and well. It seems the verbiage has normalized, but the accent has remained, however that's just my take having lived all over WV my whole life.",
"My father was raised in central Kansas in the 30's, but inexplicably spoke with a accent that sounded Appalachian or maybe more Ozark which is very similar Mountain speak. He would say \"bout an are\" instead of \"about an hour\" and \"zinc\" instead of \"sink\".Most of my family has trouble understanding his accent.\nWhen I was about 10, I was playing in the yard where he had been digging for some reason. He came out on the porch and said, \"Get outa there; that's sur!\"\nI said, \"What's 'sur'??\nHe said, \"You don't know what sur is?!\"\n\"Nope\" \n\"Well, You know what shit is?\"\nHe thought I was an idiot that did not know what SEWER was. Unbeknownst to me, he had been digging up the sewer pipes. I was out playing in it and it was many years later that I finally realized he was saying sewer, not sur.",
"I liked: \n\nFarsee: A unit of measurement. \"He lives three farsees away\" means look to that hill you see on the horizon but can't see past that, then repeat that again, and again, and he lives there.",
"I grew up listening to probably 80 percent of this. Definitely a different area because we say pop and not soda/soda pop.\n\nIt was interesting when my cousin's from Cali would come visit and wouldn't understand directions to yander and yonder.",
"Grew up exactly there. My family did not speak like that but I sure understand every word. Strange to see it online.",
"Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas grew up speaking Gullah, which is why he almost never speaks from the bench: he’s very self-conscious of his accent.",
"“jernly” = journey?",
"Jim Tom!",
"This was a treat. Fascinating. Thx for linking",
"Land of the free and can't even make their own drink? Ya'll are fucked.",
"It's funny my Grandpa grew up in the region and moved to the Midwest, a lot of those words are still in the family vernacular. But also we're vocabulary words, so I grew up using words that were not part of the regional language and then getting in arguments with adults about them being real words.\n\nEnglish is fun and frustrating in a lot of ways.",
"You should try listening to the Scottish or Cajun folk",
"https://youtu.be/Oj7a-p4psRA",
"Generally",
"WNC represent!",
"You can you just can't sell tens of thousands of gallons without paying taxes.",
"My dad's from south of Hanover, PA and his family has a really similar accent to Baltimore.",
"AAVE has an entire grammatical system onto itself that is different from \"standard\" English, it is not just slang and pronunciation.",
"I love this video. My dad is from a holler in eastern Kentucky. He’s lived in the suburbs of Chicago since the early 70s (recruited to work in a factory here, many of the men in his family came up here for good union jobs, he’s pretty much the only one left after retirement). My dad, 66, barely has an accent anymore, but if you get him going ALL these words come out. My cousins still there, some with Masters degrees, use this language and cadence. They aren’t dumb (racism and homophobia though....) it’s just the dialect. I went to a grad school retreat in the area. A woman from the area pointed out that the gentleman carrying our luggage sounded so hillbilly. The rest of us called her out “um you sound the same!” lol",
"Ohio is just across the river from Kentucky! Lots of folks moved from the hollers to Cincinnati for work.",
"My dad called me while I was working at our skating rink one day, MANY years after he’d left eastern KY “Dual, do you see that fall?” “What!? No! No one fell!” “No. The fall!” “Dad, no! I did not see anyone fall!” I’m panicking because it’s a SKATING RINK! “The fall! The fawl! The fawel!” “The file?” “Yeah. The fall.” “Yeah. It’s right here.” The only time I ever misunderstood him. lol",
"I think Stephen King calls it “strawberry spring.”",
"I like that you mention OTHER hills. While my dad is Appalachian, my husband is from the Adirondacks. Same song, different key.",
"Absolutely! Folks tend to migrate in groups and intermingle their accent with the local accent.",
"That is a phenomenal piece of work. For a more sober (that means two things!) look, check out American Hollow by Rory Kennedy. I’ve never taken my kids to the holler their grandpa grew up in because my family is racist, homophobic and my cousin molested me. But I still feel my roots there. My dad is a lovely ex pat. I wish I could share his country with them. He’s not that interested in sharing with them either.",
"My dad fed me opossum once. Oven baked with bbq sauce. I think it was a pest he caught and he was raised to eat what you kill. It was gross. VEEEERY greasy. My mom was unaware. I pretty regularly ate squirrel and rabbit and venison as a kid. Venison still is a treat (both my dad and husband have become too tender hearted to hunt very much anymore). I’d still eat rabbit or squirrel, but never again opossum. It’s fun to shock my friends in CA that I’ve eaten opossum, though.",
"Sounds almost Liverpudlian, that guy talking to his friends could have been a Beatle.",
"I still think [Ocracoke Brogue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7MvtQp2-UA) is the most \"unique\" dialect of english in America, in that it is the the most distinct, different, and (if we are willing to use it as a metric) most difficult to understand for the average American.",
"We need a video like this for Pennsylvania coal speak.",
"Sure buddy sugar coated hill billy english",
"“Warsh” is pretty common in Baltimore even in younger generations. (And “Warshington,” by extension.)",
"Go on, go on, say something!\n\nLike what?\n\nAnything, say anything!\n\nOk, uh, I like my moped.\n\nOoo, ooo, say something else!\n\nUh, well, what’s for breakfast?\n\nWhoa. Ok, so how would you answer that?\n\nI dunno, uh, toast with fixins?\n\nOh my god, incredible!\n\nThank ye.",
"To someone who finds it weird to hold principles, perhaps.",
"That's because the Liverpool accent is *extremely* influenced by Irish.",
"Bingo. \n\nA variation of that would be “most’n jernly”. Which changes the definition from generally or usually to almost always.",
"Fuck the government for causing the death of Popcorn Sutton.",
"Poki is Icelandic for bag.",
"Plumb is familiar. That term is definitely used around the world in alot of places, meaning straight. (ie correct). Then the tools also, a plumblob or plumbline.",
"Funnily enough, the word Bag itself is *also* Norse in origin.",
"Gonna steal \"si-gogglin\" I work in construction, see if it catches on up here in New England",
"The Tangier Island accent isn't related to Irish at all though, they come from English settlers that arrived there in the 1600s.",
"I pretty sure it's a portmanteau of Gaelic. You should have no problem.",
"I understood most of it and I'm from northern England.",
"Yep, but they use it in an odd way. It's almost always plumb-near, meaning close to. Lots of their language is a kind of hedge against exactness, which I find fascinating.",
"When I first moved down south, I heard someone fishing with a real thick accent say, “I caught a snike” referring to a snake. My 6 year old brain confusingly asked my mom if he was “speaking Mexican?”.",
"Clay County here. :) \n\nGrandaddy bought a place up by Tusquittee, outside of Hayesville, lived there the last 30 years of his life, died in that house. I lived in Warne for a little while, then in Brasstown. But mostly I lived up in Tusquittee, I loved those hills. \n\nMiss those misty mountains.",
"WNC Roll call!\n\nGrew up in Sylva!",
"I'm from the east coast of Canada, we'd say that something is \"all gummed up\". I've also always understood it to be \"sticky with think gum-like goo\"",
"Remember when Polonius told Hamlet to be true to himself, and also go get him a dope out of the poke over yander.",
"I'm curious about this guy. I'm guessing it's a Bible and that it's part of his \"image\" to have the book open in front of him. Either that or the interviewer interrupted him as he was reading on the porch.",
"Appa land was already fucked but oxy destroyed what was left.",
"Depends where you go some hollars are indistinguishable from Midwest suburban areas and while they have a general Appalachian accent it isn’t the same as the deeper hollars further away from cities like Pikeville and Williamson.\n\nEven the people who live up those deeper hollars still don’t sound like the people in this doc though. There’s some similarities but the generations raised on TV and those raised on the internet have much lighter accents than past generations. It’s still strong enough to be instantly recognizable anywhere else in the US though.",
"Wow, thats pretty.. cool.. I wanna make my own grave stone now.. That would be very metal, some folks would say..",
"I’ve had his shine. I won’t say how I got it but let’s just say I did. It’ll boil the eyebrows off your face as soon as you open the jar.",
"[\"some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a kaiser blade..\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAgSUFT4cVk)",
"I hold principles..for example, one of my principles is accepting the punishment for my crimes. That's at least a small part of the reason I don't run an illegal still selling tens of thousands of gallons in multiple states and surround myself with illegal firearms. Because, boy, 18 months in the slammer would just be the worst.",
"Where I/m from, peckerwood means a white supremacist.\n\nhttps://www.adl.org/education/references/hate-symbols/peckerwood\n\nhttps://addult.org/what-does-peckerwood-mean.php",
"what's a small poke sewn into a garment? a pocket",
"Jim Tom is my favorite on the show! Wish he was still on it.",
"Like [Tangier Island, VA](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangier%2C_Virginia), or [Smith Island, MD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Island%2C_Maryland). \n\nSort of Old English, but still, different.",
"Ah, a poke-ette. A petite poke. Nice.",
"Ok, everybody stop and watch this 15 seconds of that video: \n \nhttps://youtu.be/glQjCKAI4gA?t=3571",
"I did not know that baggi and bag were related. Baggi means bale. Bale of hay = heybaggi.",
"Give a little hoot an a holler. Down in the hollar?",
"Sad that we can’t be left alone. I don’t know why the government has to get mixed into everything. Greedy lot of bastards that get pissy when they ain’t gettin tax dollars on homemade hooch.",
"Even then ya need a license, can only make a certain amount per year and moonshine is still illegal.",
"Nah, i’se from Georgia and we say warsh. Idk about earl it’s more ole."
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"I used to be an expert screen watcher on Goldeneye and Halo, especially on the Blood Gulch map with the tank lol! I could aim that thing and get a kill just by looking at my opponent's screen and quickly figuring out where they were hiding. Fun times!",
"Sounds like my cousin back in the day! We would always call him a screen peaker and hed always deny it lol. Those were the days",
"Nice video, well put together!"
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"Lol wtf",
"I won't, discount Matt Gaetz.",
"He's gotta know, right? It's like exact.",
"You wasted my time.",
"when ive seen this it's normally a last ditch effort kind of thing (not a lot of tools, lost, hungry, etc) kind of like boiling water in a plastic bottle, sure its bad and might not work but when the options are try or go without its still worth trying"
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"I made this years ago - sadly with Covid it seems more relevant this year than ever.",
"I’m not crying you’re crying",
"this is going to be my life... minus the house, career, dead wife, loving family, ... though I guess there are pleanty of dogs out there that need homes... welp time to hit the old holiday nog...",
"Sorry - there’s no tag for ‘bit of a tear-jerker’",
"Who the hell is cutting onions in here!??"
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"wow they sound so soft now",
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"this one isn't so bad",
"Lmfao…",
"Sounds like you have not heard the whole album."
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"If you've seen War Games you already know.",
"Turn your key, sir",
"I want to guess he was a former commander, he’s excited to tell the story.",
"And it was that way for a LONG time. In October __2019__ we learned:\n\n> The US Air Force has __finally__ retired the 8-inch floppy disks that could be used in the launching of nuclear missiles from silos around the country, according to a Thursday report from defense site C4isrnet\n\nSource: https://www.cnet.com/news/us-military-retires-floppy-disks-used-by-nuclear-weapons-system/",
"Despite the training…it must have been really stressful!",
"GENTLY",
"They should add some huge subwoofers in the next room that play a few moments after they turn the keys.",
"Wow. If this was done ages ago god knows how easy it is now.",
"Hahahhahahahhahahahah oh my god.",
"if you haven't already seen it, watch COMMAND AND CONTROL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPJDZlL17s4 it's about the Damascus incident. A titan missile exploded in the launch tube, killing several of the crewmembers.",
"“We think we can probably survive… 3-4 weeks before… slowly suffocating to death. So Commander… are you going to sit down here … and suffocate to death or are you gonna take a chance emergency escape route to an unknown world? That’s your call. … Nobody wins in a nuclear war, it’s only degrees of losers”\n\nHoly fuck",
"eye-opening for sure. scary to think nations threatening others with nuclear war are just committing suicide...and then going to kill themselves slowly after.",
"And for those who haven't seen WarGames: [here you go](https://youtu.be/8-T_uhQ0iE4)",
"Uh... no. He's a volunteer who was told what to say, which might or might not correspond to the truth.",
"This guy cracks me up with his body language, turn the volume down to zero and just watch him dance around, it's adorable",
"It’s like a “I know something you don’t know”— doo da doo da",
"Ha ha! Yes",
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it.\n\nAlso, it's real, REAL hard to hack hardware designed to run on 8 inch floppy.",
"/s?",
"Except in war games the computer got UNLIMITED ATTEMPTS as it tried to brute force the launch codes! \n\nThis facility only allows 6 incorrect attempts at entering a code before locking the WHOLE facility down.\n\nI always hated that part of the movie...hehe",
"Titan missile museum outside Tucson? Been a few times and learn something every time. The size of the missile is truly spectacular in a very spooky way.",
"dude, i have to look this up now...",
"It was also able to check 1 digit at a time, which makes it pretty easy.",
"Highly recommend checking it out. Tucson is a cool city too. Well, except in the summer, then it’s pretty hot. Haha.",
"Now I have to listen to Rust in Peace by Megadeth",
"I looked it up. Think it was like 110ft tall. 10 ft wide. Nuclear warhead on a rocket man that’s insanely tall.",
"[Nuclear Weapons: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Y1ya-yF35g)",
"The door! It’s like 3000lbs but can be moved by a child. Scary topic, but a really interesting tour.\n\nAnd then you go a few miles up the road and visit the oldest European built structure in North America. Makes for a heavy day.\n\nOh, and finish it up with Sonoran hotdogs in south Tucson.",
"That dude's presentation was top tier.",
"I feel like it would be the opposite right up until the day you get the call. Which we know never happened.",
"Here's a more realistic depiction:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/Pw0OLXTw90A?t=114",
"Heck yeah the titan missile museum! Great place to check out",
"I'm fairly certain this is the cold war museum at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs. If not, then Tucson has exactly the same exhibit and it's presented in the exact same way.",
"yup, most tv stations use this idea too. i work in just one, but i've heard a lot of other big names use wavelength technology that is programmed and maintained on like windows 95 level crap and only older people even know how to code it. I should really go see out tv engineers one day and ask about this.",
"Is it also underground? Pretty sure that’s the titan missile museum logo on his shirt and that he may have even been my tour guide once.",
"That would be hilarious. He looks behind toward the noise. *Well, shit.*",
"The one in Colorado is a bunker that was formerly underground and was relocated to a huge WW2 era hangar that has been converted into a museum.",
"Curious how this procedure compares to how they did it in the Soviet Union. I would hope they had similar steps and security.",
"Food for thought: that command silo is somewhere in Montana. Climbing out of your bunker into a post-nuclear Montana (maybe in winter!) will go about as well as you can imagine.",
"Oh cool! This up loader also have videos from UofA so I'm guessing it's Arizona though! Guy looks awfully familiar too.",
"This gets reposted and I always seem to rewatch it, it's a very sobering video to watch and consider what would have happened had they had to do this.",
"You can tell he's super passionate about this presentation and can't wait to get the next part out.",
"I imagine this duty was insanely boring but the thought was always in the back of your mind that you could get that call. Wonder if they did drills, I'm sure that was a moment of pure terror when it happened.",
"welcome to reddit i suppose. watch the other things people commented here, mind boggling.",
"It is a very thinly populated area. Post nukes, yeah you have a tunnel out of the missile bunker but the realistic outcome is you will die of exposure/freeze to death/fall out.",
"I dunno...given that if you had root the old etc shadow bruteforce on *nix systems WAS plausible."
] | 46 |
videos
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How the United States would have launched a Nuclear Missile back in the day...
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https://youtu.be/EwPqXAny9nY
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/r/videos/comments/r5xo7j/alan_partridge_can_be_lovely_example_of_scathing/
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[
"Lovely stuff.",
"How in the world can she get through that without laughing? Impressive!",
"ELI5. I didn’t quite understand the satire.",
"I gave it 5 min and gave up, must be a British thing",
"Coogan is a gem, I love him and Brydon together even better. The Trip movies are so great. \n\nShe's only seventeen!",
"this just made me sad and irritated",
"Yeah I waited 3 minutes for some sort of point to emerge. This seemed like footage from behind the scenes at a comedy show where they asked the comedians to say something funny and they just couldn't think of anything.",
"OK Text.",
"alpha papa",
"It's pricked vinyl!",
"What does \"OK text.\" mean? Is that a reference to something?",
"Weird seeing Lynn looking so young! Love that movie\n\n\"The angels took my Molly to heaven\"\n\n*looks at picture of Molly* \"Must have been a few of them\""
] | 12 |
videos
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Alan Partridge can be lovely example of scathing satire.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfEUs-9jAkU&ab_channel=HectorLunaDesales
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/r/videos/comments/r5ykro/the_greatest_winston_churchill_quote_of_all_time/
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[
"*”…at any rate, that is what we’re going to try to do…”*",
"Excellent",
"8 glasses deep of Johnnie Walker",
"Well, how else would you expect him to make it to lunch?"
] | 4 |
videos
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The greatest Winston Churchill quote of all time
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofGx9RoP5Cs
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/r/videos/comments/r5z134/stephen_kings_magical_negros/
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[
"This was excellently done, she even included a fully formatted Works Cited list in the description with scholarly journals from academic databases. If this video bothers you enough to downvote it, would you care to explain why?",
"> would you care to explain why?\n\nI got this: they're idiots.",
"I think that's one of the ways cultures over compensate for history: first, characters of certain backgrounds become stuck in binary state: devilish and barbarian / helpless and harmless. Often both at the same time. then they become wise and insightful and sometimes even magical to help that white dude get to where he needs to be. It becomes a bit more subtle over time but they still are not real part of the story ..",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jInlO6-JTww\n\nObligatory.",
"> Samuel L. Jackson characters in the Star Wars prequels and The Matrix\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdxMkQhq58g",
"Is it kinda weird to anyone else that she doesn’t read too well?",
"This girl is insanely unbearable to listen to.",
"Yeah basically.",
"Isn't it possible they just didn't like the presenter, the way the video was edited, or even the audio?\n\nOr are you automatically assuming it's due to the subject matter?",
">\tIf this video bothers you enough to downvote it, would you care to explain why?\n\nIt's absolutely possible, which is why I asked a widely open ended question. I made zero assumptions. All of the things you listed would be included under not liking the video.",
"He has a lot of magical white folks too. Would it be better if all his magic characters were just white people?",
"OK, then why use the term \"*bothers you*\" instead of disliked? That term, at least to me, implies more than just disliking something.",
"The reason I said bothered is because usually if someone simply doesn't like something, they continue scrolling. If they dislike it to the point of engaging with a feature specifically meant to discourage the discovery of said content, it becomes a little more nuanced. I'm sure we can agree that words have meaning, and I meant what I said. This doesn't need to devolve into a pedantic battle of wits, at this point I think we should agree to disagree and part ways.",
"I have never associated reading aloud with comprehension. Some people are just wired differently and really shouldn't speak publicly for this reason, regardless of their cognitive capabilities lol. It IS weird; she could be teaching us theoretical physics, but it's a natural instinct for us to subconsciously acknowledge and subtly judge the incongruity between speech and comprehension. I assure you, cognition and speech can be mutually exclusive. Some very intelligent people are even partially to totally non-verbal.",
"Yeah, King has magical characters in most of his books, of all sorts, men, women, children, aliens, sometimes it's the main character, sometimes it's all of the characters.\n\nAnd fiction is full of the \"wise old man\" character that exists only to serve the main character, it's straight out of Hero's Journey. It's weird to recognize it as a separate trope and somehow racist just because that character is sometimes a different race than the protagonist. \n\nI can't see how Jon Coffee being a simpleton is somehow racist when you have characters like Duddits (Dreamcatcher) and Tom Cullen (The Stand). King just likes the trope of unexpected wisdom from unassuming simpletons.",
"It was a 45+ min video, I don't got time for that thus disliked and downvoted you too.",
"You get the energy you put out in the world. I suppose today the wave is crashing on me; but I assure you, friend, all comes 'round.",
"I assure you, investing 47 minutes into a video about magical characters based on their skin color isn't gonna change how I view the world nor how I view an author.\n\nAnd I assure you, karma isn't real and thinking it is shows how young you may actually be.",
"🤷🏼♂️ I liked it anyway",
"7 hours old\n\n23 comments\n\nUpdoot/downboat ratio barely above water (3 downvotes)\n\nEpic fail.",
"Sometimes I wonder what it must feel like to read a comment like this and buy into the willful ignorance. To applaud sticking one's head in the sand due to obviously fallacious assumptions takes a special kind of clueless. The best part is that the truth is literally right there; you don't even have to watch the video (it's in the description...lol), but you're too blinded by your biases to know it.",
"Pray tell what are my biases?",
"Whatever led you to your fallacious conclusions without any evidence.... scratch that, DESPITE blatant evidence to the contrary lol",
"So you don't have an answer",
"I just answered you. Are you ok? I notice you have no rebuttal",
"Lol what?",
"What conclusions? A video about magical negroes in story telling and nonwhite mysticism? That the conclusion? \n\nYou don't even know what you're arguing about do you?",
">\tI assure you, investing 47 minutes into a video about magical characters based on their skin color isn't gonna change how I view the world nor how I view an author.\n\nYou claimed the basis for not being interested in the video was that you assumed the purpose of the video was to change how you view the world/the author. There is nothing in the video that would suggest this. Again, are you ok?",
"Video is about how she views and enjoys Stephen Kings stories about mysticism of nonwhite characters and I'm assuming other works that delve into that trope and possible history.\n\nI'm well aware of the trope and its history. Which is why it wouldn't change how I view the trope nor an authors view of it.\n\nAre you okay?",
">\tWhich is why it wouldn't change how I view the trope nor an authors view of it.\n\nThis is irrelevant, nobody mentioned this but you. Why would you assume the purpose of the video is to change how you view the concept? If you're aware of the trope and its history, what exactly do you think is meant to change on your part? The tone of the video is not persuasive, it's informative.",
"How is that irrelevant?\n\nI've typed out roughly 5 paragraphs of text, deleted it all. I don't know how to continue this because no matter what I say you assume there is a bias in these comments, when in reality I know the information, why watch a video on a topic I already know? \n\nYou came into the thread and assume an ulterior motive to the downvotes and dislikes. Why is that?",
"So simply because you already know the information you engage with a feature specifically intended to discourage dissemination of the content? No other reason, apparently; other than the 47 minute runtume, of course, which you're surely close to eclipsing by now just by talking to me lmao. Weird hill to die on, but ok",
"You ask a question, I answered.\n\nNow why are you assuming there was an ulterior motive to downvotes and dislikes? What is your reasoning to asking the question?",
"I'm assuming there's an ulterior motive because there's no logical explanation for why you would want to discourage other people from learning about this just because you already learned about it. We're not debating the existence of the trope, we're trying to get to the bottom of why you felt so compelled to quell the voice of this creator. It's not rocket science.",
"this girl is confused and her words are hurting her own cause. i think. it's hard to tell what her actual goal is, other than to try to shame white people.\n\nthis was basically a 47 minute long video that just beats around the bush of \"I don't like white people\"",
"Guess OP only want's them describes as thugs?",
"r/apostrophegore",
"Since the only thing you could complain about was a grammar error we can assume you agree?",
"Fuck default subs are so shitty"
] | 42 |
videos
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Stephen King's 'Magical Negros'
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r5z8eg/deleted_by_user/
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/r/videos/comments/r5z8eg/deleted_by_user/
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[
"So much this. And I couldn’t watch it. Dem feels, man! Dem. Feels.",
"Here's a virtual hug for you bud",
"Welp! I’m absolutely depressed now",
"Sorry didn't mean to get you depressed",
"Truth is, most guys just want to fuck anything that's willing. Not sure how you think that statement correlates with the old man from Up! and his committed loving relationship.",
"That's racist",
"I don't get it. The girl is implying guys only want to fuck, and the response is that what guys *really* want is a loving, committed, long-term relationship?\n\nSome guys want one. Some guys want the other. Most guys want both. Most people want both.\n\nThis is dumb. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding and *I'm* dumb. Actually, that's probably it.",
"No you nailed it.",
"What is so disgusting about fucking?"
] | 7 |
videos
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[deleted by user]
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https://youtu.be/T6Jb-F2hU0Q
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/r/videos/comments/r5zdzz/mig29s_heat_seeking_missile_knocks_down_tdu11/
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[
"present day russian airplane knocks down out of production 1960's missile, nice",
"to be fair that is how russia makes it weapons. :D",
"Mother Russia: \n\n\n\"Look comrade, we can shoot old missile from right next to our craft and have our super stalin heat seeker chase down an IR source of old inferior missile. We are mighty! Fear the bear!\"",
"All I can hear is Highway to the danger zone playing in my head.\n\nEdited",
"Thank you @jbrev01 I’m terrible at lyrics. 🤷🏻",
"Actually, that's not really the point of this. You're trying to hit a target with a tiny cross section, with a relatively small thermal signature, inside an extremely tight kill space. Essentially trying to nail a rabbit going 1400mph, with a tank cannon, while also doing 500mph. \n\nHonestly, I'm pretty impressed. Not with the fact that it killed an outdate as hell missile, but the fact that it killed something small, in a really tight space. Since typical A2A missile engagements have a minimum arming distance of 4nM.\n\nWith heat seeker heads, usually the arming distance is shorter, since they're short range missiles, and will lock on to damn near anything that is slightly warmer than background. It's still pretty cool. Now if this guy did it with a radar lock, I'd be extremely impressed with the radar package that Mig-29 has, the pilot's reaction time, and the minimums of that missile.",
"mig-29 started in 1977\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\nalso\n\n\\>Some surviving HVAR rockets were converted to training targets for pilots to practice firing AIM-9 Sidewinder infrared-guided missiles. Known as the TDU-11/B to the US Air Force and Target Rocket Mark 26 Mod 0\\[9\\] to the US Navy, it was heavier than the base rocket at about 215lb. The target rocket used a Mk.6 head with inert lead ballast and was fitted with four Mark 21 (aluminum construction) or 33 (steel) tracking flares, 10 inches long by 1 inch wide and carrying 100 grams of pyrotechnic mixture, to provide a strong IR signature for the Sidewinder to lock onto. Carried paired with AIM-9s on AERO-3B launchers, a pilot would fire the rocket, then switch to his Sidewinder, wait for it to acquire the tracking flares, and fire. Target rockets were phased out by the USN in the mid-1960s in favor of towed or drone targets\n\n&#x200B;\n\nyou are bitching at target dummy go touch grass",
"it's definitely an ir missile like an r60m or something of the like , no way a radar missile would acquire and track such a small target so quickly so close even with modern equipment. most likely an r3s that they essentially just want to get rid of because it is so behind todays tech or something like that. even a basic first generation ir missile would be capable of shooting down a dumb rocket like this, it doesn't even finish it's initial \"off the rail\" acceleration burn before detonating, so it's really just going straight. \n\nThe purpose of the demonstration is purely entertainment, and it is entertaining in my opinion. Purpose fulfilled",
"agreed, science is amazing. I watched the whole video, guess I'm just a patriot lol."
] | 11 |
videos
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MiG-29's Heat Seeking Missile Knocks Down TDU-11 Thermal Rocket
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD8N4JQy7cw
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/r/videos/comments/r5zq2b/how_many_wars_is_america_fighting_its_a_lot/
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[
"Great video that I hope more people check out.\n\nThat dude has tiny hands or needs to move his fingers or something because it kept reminding me of Scary Movie 2. \n\nUS liberals in 91 were still anti-war.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/c_5OZOwAhas\n\nIn between 91 and 2001, the US got hijacked by the crazies.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/WGIUKLPMc3k?t=846\n\nAfter the Vietnam War, the military establishment realized their biggest enemies was antiwar youth and the free press journalism industry.\n\nBy allowing media concentration and to let the big media giants like Disney, Warner/AT&T, Comcast, Viacom, etc take over the journalism industry and incorporate it into corporate entertainment, it allowed the military to have the ability to turn the media into a propaganda arm/censor for the military.\n\nAfter 911, there was no major anti-war movement because media censored it and manipulated youth activists into fighting different battles like racism, gay rights, women's rights etc. Lately you see lots of pictures of women in foreign countries who are rebelling against their religious leaders. All that stuff is propaganda to convince left leaning Americans to support war.",
"definitely should change the name to Department of Offense. Good video.",
"The alternative is we don't get involved in every war",
"The fact that you think civil rights is a detriment to anti-war is a little weird to me.",
"It also, paints picture like if US did not engage in combat operations, somehow less people will be dying from wars, this what really pissed me off the most.",
"You think you're the first generation to fight for civil rights?\n\nOne of the problems is that young people are ignorant of the past and only know what they're taught in school and in media. Ignorant doesn't mean stupid, it just means you don't know all the facts and it's really easy to manipulate.\n\nA lot of young people hate boomers but what they don't realize is that it was because of the boomers that the US Civil Rights movement passed and ended segregation.\n\nThe issue with gay rights as a mainstream social issue started in the early 90s and was subverted to keep gay people in the spotlight rather than just integrated as regular people. It's one of the ways the military gets away with war.\n\nDuring the Gaza Flotilla, Israel used a fake gay actor to claim he was kicked out for being gay. Israel knows that the US left is a powerhouse supporter of theirs so they lied to keep Americans on their side.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/4OSDt2KmJU0\n\nIssues like black/gay/women's rights are issues that were started by counterculture youth in past generations. They're 'controlled' issues that don't affect stuff like war or the economy or health care, education, etc...\n\nMedia helped subvert the left via cultural recuperation to phase out stuff like war so people don't know it happens.\n\nWhen the US bombed and killed a bunch of pine nut farmers in Afghanistan, it barely got reported.\n\nhttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-attack-drones-idUSKBN1W40NW\n\nPeople don't see real war nowadays because the powers that be don't allow it.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/Yz9MXytE00A?t=120",
"3% of the entire worlds population died during WW2. WW3 is guaranteed to happen eventually. With that knowledge, how do you suppose we posture our military? If WW2 was preventable should the US have prevented it? People are just animals. We behave predictably. Without countermeasures the past just keeps repeating.",
"The alternative accepts genocide in the balkans, 20 years of taliban rule in afghanistan and the Kurds being wiped in Syria.",
"Liberals really like to think 'wow why do we even need such a big budget for the military' but don't see that the reason we are safe today is because of that spending\n\nkinda like in IT when your company says, 'why do we even need you guys? when everything works' then lays off 50% of the IT department, comes back in 5 years and wonders why nothing works",
"The video doesn't seem to explain things really well on why the USA is fighting a lot of wars after the Cold War ended.\n\nIt claims the reason why the USA is fighting so many wars today is due to its desire of wanting to maintain global military dominance, which has created a lot enemies.\n\nThis seems absurd because the reason why the USA has so many enemies is because the US State Department and CIA interferes in the internal affairs of many countries for geopolitical reasons or business interests.\n\nUS Military had significantly downsized after the Cold War in terms of troop numbers and weapons inventory during the 1990s. What's causing the US Military budget to constantly go up is due to rising personnel costs and an increasing reliance on contractors to perform various everyday tasks since post-9/11. \n\nLastly, the video failed to point out that Obama was in the process of reducing US Military presence in Europe, the Middle East, and Asia.\n\nWhat stopped that from happening was due to Russia's annexation of Crimea, the emergence of ISIS, and China's recent excessive territorial claims that threaten the sovereignty of US allies (i.e. Philippines and Japan) in which we are obligated to defend.",
"And Iraq? Vietnam? Various bullshit in South America?\n\nAnd it's not like we beat the Taliban despite spending an amount of money that could have provide healthcare, education, and infrastructure to the whole of America.\n\nYou know, Star Trek was onto something with the Prime Directive -- a lot of time when you try to help by interfering in other people's shit you make it way worse.",
"This is an overly simplistic take. Some wars the US is involved in is for altruistic reasons certainly, but how many aren't?\n\nCuba, Dominican Republic, Korea, Vietnam, Laos, Lebanon, Cambodia, Grenada, Libya, Panama, Iraq, Kuwait, Somalia, Haiti, Kenya, Uganda, etc. Can it honestly be said these were all fought for humanitarian reasons?\n\nIt's no secret that war far too often goes hand in hand with profits, and when a country is at war abroad it pays much less attention to the ongoing problems within it's own borders.",
"see: Guns & Butter",
"> It's no secret that war far too often goes hand in hand with profits, and when a country is at war abroad it pays much less attention to the ongoing problems within it's own borders.\n\nWouldn't be a gravel video without the people defending it with conspiracy theories.",
"> And Iraq? \n\nIraq is a really good lithmus test for whether someone actually cares for any population outside of their country. Saddam absolutely needed to go and even with how badly the war went, it's still justified.\n>And it's not like we beat the Taliban despite spending an amount of money that could have provide healthcare, education, and infrastructure to the whole of America.\n\nThe argument isn't that those war should be prioritised over anything in particular, just that they aren't those useless endeavours they're often painted as. Tens of millions of afghans lived without Taliban rule for 20 years because of that intervention. Of course money could be spent differently, it always can, but it wasn't \"worthlessly\" spent here.\n>a lot of time when you try to help by interfering in other people's shit you make it way worse.\n\nI'm not sure there's many cases of that happening after cold-war fuckery. Libya maybe?",
"There's nothing conspiratorial about how much the American military industrial complex is worth, or about what the media and by proxy the zeitgeist pay attention to. You should have paid attention in social studies class, get your head out of the sand.",
"> There's nothing conspiratorial about how much the American military industrial complex is worth\n\n\"It's no secret that war far too often goes hand in hand with profits\" very clearly implies that there's significant lobbying for war, which people always say, but never show evidence for.\n>what the media and by proxy the zeitgeist pay attention to\n\n\"when a country is at war abroad it pays much less attention to the ongoing problems within it's own borders\" very clearly implies that \"distraction\" is a significant reason for war, which people always say, but never show evidence for.",
"Everyone should question the underlying motives and political forces behind the media they consume. \n\nWatch this video, but make up your own mind on what are just and unjust endeavors",
"Are you suggesting Lockheed Martin et al only make weapons out of the kindness of their hearts? Lmfao.\n\nShame all that funding for the military couldn't have benefited your education instead.",
"We literally just solidified Taliban rule with generations of people who have grown up in Afghanistan knowing nothing but America interventionism and violence. \n\nWe do more to radicalize insurgents then any Islamic Extremist propaganda possibly could.",
"[This is easily researchable my friend.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/02/21/military-spending-defense-contractors-profiting-from-war-weapons-sales/39092315/)",
"Inb4 /u/I30AxeBxrd accuses you too of conspiracy.",
"\"It's no secret that war far too often goes hand in hand with profits\" very clearly implies that there's significant lobbying for war, which people always say, but never show evidence for.",
"I'm saying that there is no evidence that war being profitable influences that wars are fought.\n>Shame all that funding for the military couldn't have benefited your education instead.\n\nI live in a country where the military receives very little funds, none of which goes to Lockheed, if that helps.",
">Iraq is a really good lithmus test for whether someone actually cares for any population outside of their country. Saddam absolutely needed to go and even with how badly the war went, it's still justified.\n\nWe went in on a lie, 500,000 people died, ISIS took over, and the country was bombed back into the stone age. \n\nNothing about that was good. \n\nThis is some real propaganda jingoist bullshit, bud.",
"I'm guessing you weren't alive in 2003.",
">Shame all that funding for the military couldn't have benefited your education instead.\n\nNice burn, and valid too.",
">Saddam absolutely needed to go\n\nThis reeks of the arrogance of an interfering empire.",
">WW3 is guaranteed to happen\n\nIt is with that attitude sonny",
"At what point do you justify letting a dictator in power? What's the threshold they need to reach to justify removing them by force?",
"That statement specifically is mostly from the perspective of Kurdistan.",
"People don't like to acknowledge how much of the defense budget goes toward social costs. The military will: pay for your rent, healthcare, education, childcare, etc. If you want to compare the US military budget to other large spenders on defense like China or Russia, there is no comparison to make in that regard.\n\nAn argument about military service used as leverage for Americans to access these things is a whole other story, though.",
">'t get involved in\n\nYou guys should probably stop being buddies with the Saudis then.",
"[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIi-HGKlL\\_0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIi-HGKlL_0)",
"At what point do you justify getting involved? That seems the easier question to answer right. Why didn't the US invade and remove Pol Pot? Kim Jong Il? Suharto? Batista? Pinochet? Oh wait nvm, the US actually supported those last 3 despite them being terrible dictators, that's weird.",
"I celebrate every time America loses a war, which means I celebrate every day.",
"> the reason we are safe today\n\nYou call frequent school shootings, unhindered spread of Covid, erosion of personal freedoms like voting and access to healthcare, and extrajudicial killing by police to be *safe*?",
"Do other militaries not pay for their soldiers' lodgings, healthcare, education, etc.? I don't think that's true.",
"a lot of other countries pay for that stuff anyway. Take any European military as an example -- healthcare and education are already heavily subsidized by the government for everyone, so the military has no reason to have to pay for it for the soldiers. \n\nAlso, you have to adjust for PPP, since 1 dollar goes much further in the Chinese or Russian economy than it does in the American one. So you can't just convert the yen or rubles to dollars and call it a day, you have to adjust for purchasing power if you want it to be comparable at all.",
"you thing those are foreign affairs? assuming they are even real issues to begin with",
"We invaded Iraq in 1991 to get Sadam to chill the fuck out because he was a tyrant. Then we got the Iraqis to rebel and said \"LOL JK\" and didn't help them when they did and 100,000 people died. \n\nThen 10 years later we go in and blow their whole country up and another 500,000 people died and WHOOPS, ISIS took over the country. And WHOOPS we didn't back up the Kurds who allied with us. \n\nWhoops!",
"Why would you think I'm calling them foreign affairs? They're the reasons why it's ridiculous to call ourselves \"safe.\" They don't have to be foreign to be threats to our safety, you know.",
"what you fail to see is that without military spending we would have more than just these problems",
"Prove it. And prove why the problems you're referring to are worse than the ones we've got.",
"Who we betrayed. Yay!",
"fuck off the onus is on you",
"Lol. Why should I prove your point for you?",
"a good and informative video. And no, they should not have to come up with a solution to solve the problem, let journalism be journalism."
] | 48 |
videos
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How Many Wars is America Fighting? (It's a Lot)
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https://youtu.be/JzpaUeXcXkk
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/r/videos/comments/r603g6/weird_comet_ufo_spacex_mission_part_above_florida/
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[
"I’m in ft.Myers and didn’t even notice this. Shows how much I pay attention haha.",
"its a smudge. could be a bigfoot. bigfoot looks like a blurry smudge too.",
"There's no way a meteorite would be falling that slowly.",
"Is that a plane, towing a banner, directly away from them?",
"My first guess also. They believe it's falling down, while it's going away from them. Doesn't have to be a banner, just plane condensation trails being partly illuminated by sun which is going down, so color looks like flames.\n\nEdit:\n\nSomeone with flight radar skills can probably check if there was a plane flying by triangulating the location of the plane!",
"Yes, could be.\n\nMany people never consider that maybe they're not looking at things at the angle they think they're looking at. I feel sorry for people that see an X-47B flying away from them, because at a large range of angles it looks just like a flying disk.",
"I’m annoyed.",
"It looks like a normal jet with a condensation trail behind it flying into the distance. The sun is setting so there isn't as much direct sunlight shining through, so the bottom of it isn't getting sunlight and it is darker. It's basically the [opposite of what happens with SpaceX](https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2017/12/23/ap_17357102366030-ae322066b2c47087ada05217d3fd9fa2fc9b63f6.jpg) launches, where the rocket is so high, the trail is being hit by sunlight and you're seeing it as it typically would appear during the day but with the darkness of night surrounding it.\n\nSimilar to the clouds in the bottom of that SpaceX launch photo. The clouds are white, but with the shadows caused by light not traveling all the way through them, they look dark from the angle of the camera.",
"lol"
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videos
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Weird comet? UFO? SpaceX mission part? above Florida (November 30th 2021 5:54PM)
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r60wrf/deleted_by_user/
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/r/videos/comments/r60wrf/deleted_by_user/
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[
"Adam22 should not be someone to look up to... dude is trash. \nIf even half the allegations are true, he is a horrible person. \n\n[source](https://www.popdust.com/why-need-to-cancel-adam22-2640402325.html)",
"It is, but so is sleeping with one. Everyone is different and need to find what's best for them.",
"still like to give it a whirl though",
"Meanwhile… adam22 recently started a podcast where they interview a girl and then fuck her at the end",
"Yep. This is my life's mantra. It's why I'm still a virgin at the age of 37.",
"Yeah, this is why I gave up all that great varied sex with hundreds of beautiful women. It just didn't fulfill me like it did them. Here they are with their multiple orgasms and talk of me being \"best ever,\" and here I am wondering if I can make a difference in the world... besides the pleasure I can give many MANY women. Seriously, how far in life can having a massive penis (like mine) take you? I've had so many wonderful women where they bring in their 18 year old daughter for a threesome and I think, couldn't this just be my family that I hang out with? Their duel screaming to God makes me think how I should be more spiritual. Yes, so overrated.\n\n/s in case anyone is wondering",
"Counterpoint: Sleeping with lots of women is awesome. \n\nI mean, look, I love my wife, but there is no substitute for the excitement of undressing a new partner for the first time and the explosive, passionate sex that happens when two relative strangers can't get their hands on each other fast enough."
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[deleted by user]
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https://youtu.be/y0yeMUtxwCE
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/r/videos/comments/r612ba/supersupersupersupersuperman_and_spidergirl_fight/
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[
"Marvel and DC need to stop pushing things out like this. I could barely follow the plot.",
"I\n\nneed\n\n#more!",
"I prefer this Superman to the Snyder version. This guy looks way more chill and less capable of just snapping and fucking murdering all of humanity.",
"This is from a movie called Dariya Dil, this video from the OP is pretty ass and doesn't have the entire dance sequence. You can watch the full thing here it's called [Tu Mera Superman](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY-3hlxn2oU)",
"Better than Turkish Bat-Man, but not nearly as good as Italian Spider-Man.",
"Some say that man is still spinning to this day",
"OP's video doesn't even have the catchy singing, what a bum."
] | 7 |
videos
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Super-super-super-super-Superman and Spidergirl fight crime and dance
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ss9t1lFOXsg
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/r/videos/comments/r61mn5/andrew_is_a_general_contractor_that_built_his_own/
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[
"Love Andrew",
"I'm jealous of that shop. Nice pups too.",
"We could all hope to be that handy some day",
"Great channel thanks for sharing.",
"/r/AndrewCamarata",
"Andrew can get any nut or bolt unstuck. It's very inspiring.",
"oops, that's an outside thing.",
"'castle'\n\nMore like an airsoft fort made of ISO containers.",
"More people?!?\n\nhe has over a million subscribers, and social blade has him estimated at earning $3.7K - $58.6K per month. He's hardly an underground youtuber with no views.",
"This guy looks like a master Uga-Duga estimator",
"I certainly couldn't build that, but I was disappointed when I saw the \"castle\".",
"Sadly Levi recently passed away but you can tell they live a great life",
"I think I've watched every video. He's pretty great at what he does.",
"The way he gently loaded and unloaded that lawn mower.",
"watch the newer videos... it has evolved.",
"I’m convinced Cody has the song Everything is Awesome on a loop inside his head\n\nDog does have a pretty awesome life and Andrew takes him everywhere\n\nRIP Levi"
] | 17 |
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Andrew is a general contractor that built his own castle and documents his adventures with his dogs around his property. Just felt like more people should know about his videos.
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https://youtu.be/R1gcipAvplY
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/r/videos/comments/r61p4k/how_the_usa_inspired_the_nazis/
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[
"You forgot That A hole Fauci",
"What about how the nazis inspired progressives",
">what about \n\nNot a good start.\n\n\n\n>how the nazis inspired progressives\n\nNot a thing, unless you meant “murdered”?\n\nThe poem starts with “First they came for the *socialists*”.\n\nAnd let’s not forget, [some of the first book burnings and crackdowns](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_homosexuals_in_Nazi_Germany) were against the LGBTQ community."
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videos
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How The USA Inspired The Nazis
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylmbwH3nO_Y
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/r/videos/comments/r61ris/viewer_donates_the_worst_choice_of_music_during_a/
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[
"Mute the phone. \n\nWhat a cunt",
"Yo thats wild as fuck... But.... What ELSE are u supposed to use the internet for? The concept of \"please donate to my need as if you dont have your own needs and struggles\" is NUTS to me. Add that to the \"gamification\" that goes along with \"donate and u choose the music no matter what\" is hilarious. Sprinkle in a lil trolling racism (which is only funny IF its FUNNY), and u got this wild ass video... But again, what did he expect? The internet is gonna internet 🤣🤣",
"Beautiful"
] | 3 |
videos
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Viewer donates the worst choice of music during a uber journey
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKkuu_mTSaQ
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/r/videos/comments/r61rt0/americas_secret_camps/
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[
"Pure Chinese propaganda with a poor production value trying desperately to mimic the NYT.",
"Lol! What the fuck kind of bullshit fake news trash is this? Is the narrator a fucking AI voice too?",
"\"Americans found our secret camps, quick release a video of their secret camps!\"\n\n\"But sir they don't have secret camps like we do!\"\n\n*Gun shot*\n\n\"Americans found our secret camps, quick release a video of their secret camps!\"\n\n\"Yes sir, right on it.\"\n\n-china probably."
] | 3 |
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America's Secret Camps
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbBUlojyvhs
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/r/videos/comments/r630rt/this_dude_opened_up_a_notmcdonalds/
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[
"Dude gonna get his ass sued off.",
"He'll be sued into non-existance. McD lives for this stuff. Even if your name is McDonald, you can't use McDonald's in the name.",
"Probably not because this can be considered a parody. Someone did some similar to this a couple of years ago with Starbucks. They couple the whole menu, but they put the word “dumb “ in front of everything, and the place was called Dumb Starbucks",
"Actually, since the store closed already, they can’t even send him a cease-and-desist letter; he’s already ceased and desisted.\n\nThey could make him take down the vid, though…",
"That was Nathan Fielder on his show Nathan for You. I love that show :)",
"I doubt it. It was a one day thing only, and the video itself is probably indirectly advertising McDonalds itself. He'd get sued if he kept it up for weeks but just one day is more of an art project, I doubt they care that much",
"It was a one day installation. It would make little sense to sue him, especially since it would probably motivate him to make more videos trashing McDonalds.",
"this video released a year ago...\n\nalso, google fair use.",
"Nothing can beat a steaming hot Dumb Starbucks coffee though.",
"Fair use for parody maybe, not for an actual business.",
"this was released a year ago... no takedowns yet",
"Also - he gave the food away. It's not like he was profiting off their trademark or something like that.\n\nIt was more of an art installation and a parody and comment on modern society."
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videos
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This dude opened up a ...NotMcdonalds
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https://youtu.be/HgwcI0FOpvY
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/r/videos/comments/r63pp4/speed_racer_is_a_psycho/
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[
"This, this is Great way to end my terrible work day. Thank you!! 😂🤣😂",
"Is this original footage?",
"How many homicides within the first minute?!? Hah!",
"it's been a while but it seemed like original footage to me",
"*pretty mugs for the camera*",
"Thanks. On a side note, its one of the more beautiful animations from its time. Very fine line work. They came out with a movie but its pure retch from the very first scene. (my opinion only)",
"speed racer is one of the main animations that even put animation into pop culture at the time, but I only have hazy childhood memories about his car deploying auto-jacks during races and jumping. can't say I ever encountered the movie",
"Speed on that sigma male grindset",
"I'm sorry you had a bad day, those happen to all. Next time you have a good/decent day, think and say: \n\n\"If This Isn't Nice, What Is?\"\n\n\\-Kurt Vonnegut\n\n\\-Michael Scott",
"The girl has the most annoying scream I've heard...top maniacal laugh from Speed though",
"Carnage!",
"The sound Speed makes when he's turning the wheel to smash into that one guy.",
"Please don't smash into us",
"I actually love the movie. It's definitely not like the cartoon, and it's campy and weird. But the CGI is pretty damn good and it's just fun to get baked and watch!",
"I laugh so hard at this, you brought back some fun memories. Keep up the good work!!",
"Yea I hear you, a lot of people enjoyed it",
"Yep to each their own. My girlfriend hates it haha",
"my brain just instantly looked at the monkey in the back on the thumbnail and thought it was an nft. anyways screenshoted.",
"Blow speed racer \nBlow speed racer \nBlow!... up"
] | 19 |
videos
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Speed Racer is a Psycho
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https://youtu.be/b519ZDHon1I
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/r/videos/comments/r63xki/this_hilarious_remote_work_commercial/
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[
"I got an office job and we never went remote. This video makes me upset, on account of me never getting a break from this shit like most office workers did!",
"I'll never go back.\n\nI'm convinced that the people who want to return to a traditional office fall into a couple simple camps....the social butterflies (no judgement, I do miss it), the middle managers who can't do anything other than micromanage their underlings and look busy, and those who really rely on being in person to stay focused and collaborate.\n\nHybrid is the way to go. Completely opens up a massive pool of talent without forcing employees to relocate to overcrowded cities. All the positives outweigh the negatives, and it's only a matter of time as the boomer c-suite generation continues to die off and retire.",
"If it makes you feel any better…\n\nMy house is a rental with no AC. It’s summer in Australia and I think I might die.\n\nThere is basically no soundproofing so my wife and I ruin each other’s video conferences constantly.\n\nMy 2 yr old absolutely wrecks my workspace.\n\nI’m lonely and I’m getting fat.\n\nThere’s no longer any gap between meetings. Just 8 hours of consecutive zoom calls"
] | 3 |
videos
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This hilarious remote work commercial
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7G96aKtbpE
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/r/videos/comments/r640t4/gary_sinise_aka_lieutenant_dan_from_forrest_gump/
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[
"Lieutenant Dan, Ice Cream!",
"lt dan came and saw us before we deployed to iraq at ft stewart ga. i got a picture of him with my buddies giving the devil horns i think gary was sticking hsi tongue out as well. it was cool. i wish i had that picture still.",
"why isn't the government helping them",
"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAA\n\n\noh shit, were you asking seriously?",
"I'm listening to this motherfucker read Steinbeck's Travels With Charley audiobook and I'm going to see what else he's the reader for. He's a good and extremely talented dude. Highly recommend some Steinbeck.",
"The best Stu Redman EVER!",
"He's been a big supporter of the troops for a long time now. I knew of him visiting bases in the mid 00s and I'm sure he's been at it even longer than that.",
"The US Department of Veterans Affairs has an annual budget of more than $200 billion",
"This guy is the all-time MVP of troop supporters. He's a good dude.",
"That doesn't answer the question.",
"Yes it does. The government *is* \"helping out.\" It provides $200 billion worth of assistance to veterans and their families every year. Mr. Sinese's efforts are kind, but they are a small drop in the bucket compared to the size and scope of the care guaranteed to every single wounded veteran by the federal government",
"I almost didn't recognize him. My most memorable mental image of this man is from the film Mission to Mars. I really enjoyed that movie. Can't believe it's more than 20 years old now.",
"Let me laugh even harder!",
"Hey now, there are plenty of people in the US with high standards of living! Granted, they are millionaires and billionaires who have made their fortunes in crooked systems that need to exploit people and pillage resources to function but... what was the question again?",
"He's a bit of a right wing crack pot (see FOA, right wing news ties) but, sure - good deeds.",
"Does anybody know how he got started doing humanitarian work for the troops? He wasn't a vet himself I don't think, but I know he's devoted much of his life to it. What is his connection to it?",
"\"Gary Sinise, AKA...\", What? No! Don't you die on me Gary! ...\"Lieutenant Dan from Forrest Gump...\", God no! Don't you die on me Gary!! \"...is about to raise $2million...\"\n\nOh. Whew. Good job, Gary. Thank you for not dying.\n\nAlso...the $2million dollar thing is good, too.",
"If you like Gary sinise and John Steinbeck have I got a movie for you...",
"Well 200 billion as a figure itself is meaningless if not managed effectively. I’m not a US veteran and have absolutely no understanding of whether the level of care they receive is adequate. Any veterans care to give their two cents?",
"Lieutenant Dan got his charity legs on.",
"I really don’t know, but my wild ass guess is that after playing Lt Dan, many veterans would’ve started connecting with him. The more people you personally get to know who are struggling medically and financially, the more you might want to help them, especially if you have the visibility and means to do so.",
"Considering a lot of American veterans are homeless, I'm going to assume that, not nearly enough.\n\nConsidering how dependent the US is on it's military power, you'd think they'd not let them starve on the streets.",
"Ah yes the American welfare system at it's finest.",
"Oh man, he got old. Saw him last in Apollo 13.",
"USMC 08-13 Kaneohe Bay, Oahu, HI. Was able to get back stage after the Lt. Dan Band concert. Awesome seeing such a great actor and generous man. YOU DA MAN GARY!",
"Or die waiting in line for service at the VA. 😥😡",
"As I understand it he’s said he had family who served and his role in Forest Gump really inspired him to do his part in supporting the veteran community.",
">Considering a lot of American veterans are homeless, I'm going to assume that, not nearly enough.\n\nConsidering theres 19 million veterans in the US and approximately 40,000 of them are homeless I'd say it's not so much of an issue with the VA as it may be with choices made by individuals rather than a massive failure in the system.",
"Eh, every one I know (including my father) have been well taken care of.",
"I don't know about those statistics you got there, but do they take into account the health\\mental state of the veteran?\n\nIn any case, it can't be that hard for a nation that spends more then the entire world combined on it's military, to house and feed 40 000 people. Just sell one of your F-35's and you're good to go.\n\nBut, the US prioritizes the military above all else, like WAY above.",
">I don't know about those statistics you got there\n\n[it's a simple google](https://www.google.com/search?q=how+many+veterans+are+there&oq=how.many+vet&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0i22i30l7.3607j0j9&client=ms-android-samsung-ss&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8) search or [two](https://policyadvice.net/insurance/insights/homeless-veterans-statistics/) to identify it \n\n>\nIn any case, it can't be that hard for a nation that spends more then the entire world combined on it's military, to house and feed 40 000 people. \n\nYou make it sound like homelessness is a simple solution to fix, that certain homeless want to be helped/consider it being helped, and that the US is the only country with a homeless problem. When you look at the numbers in a Per Capita basis it's far from the top, especially when compared to countries like Germany, the UK, France, and Australia.\n\n>But, the US prioritizes the military above all else, like WAY above\n\nThis isnt even [remotely true](https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/spending/categories/)",
"Sometimes you just gotta take the good when you can. It's a crazy world.",
"While my specifics might be off, my point still stands.\n\nI was more interested in learning what the status was of those 40 000 homeless veterans, not where you got the information from. But again, not really my point.\n\nIf a country spends 750+ billion on military a year, it should be able to spend money on making sure the people of said military aren't left to rot when they are finished serving. Don't forget, they are sacrificing the prime of their life to serve their country, they deserve to be properly compensated for this.\n\nThere is a simple fix to homelessness, just get a home! Average price of a home in the US is 300k, if you gave a 300k house to all those 40k vets, that would be 12 billion, 1.6% of the total budget of the military.\n\nWhile this is a gross oversimplification, it still shows that the US is perfectly capable of taking care of those 40 000 homeless vets.\n\nYou can throw other links at me or nitpick bits of my comment and point out how wrong they are, but my original point still stands, **It's all about prioritization, if the US wanted to help it's vets, it could definitely afford to do so.**",
"Incredible what a guy with no legs can do.",
"The system works great if you’re not in a hurry. The system fails those who need short term or immediate healthcare or mental health support. Although, with Community Care that has been alleviated quite a bit. The healthcare side of the VA wants to do it’s best for all veterans despite any narrative. The administrative side seriously has a “lol get rekt” mentality. My wife is a VA benefits attorney, I’ve seen the bullshit they pull first hand. \n\n\nI’ve lived in three VA healthcare regions: Seattle, Sioux Falls, and now Western Iowa/Eastern Nebraska. I have never had a problem receiving healthcare for chronic or acute problems. \n\nThe longest I had to wait for anything medical was about 3 months for surgery to remove my gallbladder. \n\nThe longest I waited for acute care was about 2 hours at Seattle as walk in to the ER. \n\n\nAnecdotally, most vets I talk with who have problems with the VA live in large metropolitan areas, LA, Minneapolis/St. Paul, Kansas City for example. I also think many vets have an unreasonable expectation of care. Everyone wants to be fixed, the VA wants to fix everyone. There just isn’t enough providers and time.",
">While my specifics might be off, my point still stands.\n\nYou understand the massive issue here correct? You have no foundation to base your argument off of yet you're still going to argue the point?\n\n>I was more interested in learning what the status was of those 40 000 homeless veterans, not where you got the information from. But again, not really my point.\n\nYou said you werent certain of the statistics I provided, I provided a source to back it up. Idk the status of those individuals as they probably dont actively participate in any sort of surveys or are registered in a system. \n\n>If a country spends 750+ billion on military a year, it should be able to spend money on making sure the people of said military aren't left to rot when they are finished serving. Don't forget, they are sacrificing the prime of their life to serve their country, they deserve to be properly compensated for this.\n\nAnd the vast majority are. You're begrudging a point based off of what's going on with .2% of the veteran population.\n\n>There is a simple fix to homelessness, just get a home! Average price of a home in the US is 300k, if you gave a 300k house to all those 40k vets, that would be 12 billion, 1.6% of the total budget of the military.\n\nThrowing money at a homeless problem doesnt work, nor does a \"housing first\" approach, as demonstrated by multiple attempts at local levels. The idea that you can just \"buy\" someone a home and solve the homeless problem is completley devoid of all the nuance the comes with homelessness. It really only addresses a symptom, rather than the cause of why someone is homeless. In which case, that individual will just end up being homeless again. \n\n>You can throw other links at me or nitpick bits of my comment and point out how wrong they are, but my original point still stands, It's all about prioritization, if the US wanted to help it's vets, it could definitely afford to do so.\n\nI'm not nitpicking your comments, I'm directly quoting the major points your making and countering them with facts. This just all goes back to the fact that you're making an argument based off of what's going on with .2% of a demographic. It is hardly representative of your original argument.",
"Gary is great.\n\nBut imagine a \"1st World\" Country with a nearly 8 Trillion Dollar Defense Budget who can't take care of their own fucking veterans (wounded or not). They end up getting help from charities. So pathetic.",
"wouldn't it be cool if our veterans were actually cared for by the government that put them in harms way? Instead of hoping some benevolent person raises money to maybe help them?",
"r/aboringdystopia",
"Like small business Saturday, brought to you by American Express.",
"Yeah. My father broke his back in a parachuting accident and has received benefits and care from the VA his whole life as a result. More recently he ended up with heart failure due to contracting COVID. Through the VA he has been able to receive all of his testing and ultimately his pacemaker. He's been very grateful for the VA through this.\n\nIts a massive bureaucracy and his dealings with them hasn't been without some frustrations, but overall it seems like they've always come through for him.\n\nI will say that it does seem as though there is inconsistency in the system depending on where you are located and of course what your issues might be.",
"The VA provides an abysmal level of care, if they provide anything at all. Mental health services are nowhere to be found. Unfortunate we keep making more veterans without fully accounting for the cost of caring for them when they return. 😓",
"His foundation is [highly rated](https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=17612&oldpage) so you can be sure you're not actually funding his... uh... more questionable political views. Not directly anyway. He certainly can point out the good his foundation does to make him more credible politically.",
"So basically he played the role of Lieutenant Dan, and later was contacted by a veteran's organization (cannot remember the exact name) because they wanted to give him an award to show their appreciation for his portrayal of a wounded vet. After meeting them, and other veterans, he realized that working with and helping them was something he wanted to do. I'm not sure he even realized how much the role was going to mean to so many people until they first reached out to him.",
"955 upvotes on reddit, 113 likes on Youtube out of 1,673 views. Do people just not like videos on youtube anymore lol",
"Dude... You definitely are nitpicking my comments and tearing them up as if this was my profession and I should be ashamed of myself for not knowing any better. Like, all that was just an example and like I specified a \"gross oversimplification\" of the issue and a potential solution. Of course just buying 40 000 people a 300k home wouldn't instantly solve the homelessness issue, these people need to be reintegrated into society probably in the same way prisoners do. Which is also something the US fails completely at, but that's another topic.\n\nI'm not a city planner or politician, I have no idea what the best way to spend that money would be. That would be up to the professionals to figure out.\n\nWhat even is your point? Like, what are you trying to say? That the US DOESN'T have an issue with overspending on military? That reducing the money spent on national defense would be one of the easiest ways to help the ones who fought for your freedom in the first place? That everything is fine and we shouldn't worry because this only affects 40 000 out of x million people?",
"[From Forbes](https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottking/2021/03/01/why-serving-honoring-veterans-became-gary-sinises-lifelong-mission/):\n\n(TLDR AT THE BOTTOM)\n\n“It’s critically important to me that our military service members, first responders, and their families all know how deeply we are here for them, we are not going to forget them, and we will always do more to protect and support them,” Sinise told Forbes via email. “During the past forty years or so, since my Chicago days working with the Steppenwolf Theatre in the early ‘80s when I was supporting local Vietnam veteran groups there, into the 90’s supporting our wounded after playing Lt. Dan in Forrest Gump, and then post 9/11, 2001 and the terrorist attacks on our country, it’s become my lifelong mission to serve and honor our defenders, veterans, first responders, and their loved ones. I feel blessed to be able to do something and honored that Gary Sinise Foundation is a part of this new Avalon Network initiative.”\n\nIt was Gary’s observations of the toll the Vietnam War was taking on individuals that motivated him to make an impact.\n\n“Back in the 80’s I saw first-hand the struggles our Vietnam veterans, some on my wife’s side of our family, were going through when returning from war to a nation that was divided and it stuck with me,” Sinise said. “After the war in Vietnam our veterans did not get the welcome back or the help they so desperately needed following their service.\n\n“I have met too many veterans from that war who are fighting those demons still today, and the lack of support they received upon returning home only amplified this pain. When we began deploying to Afghanistan and Iraq I felt there was a role for me to play in trying to ensure that today’s veteran would have the support and appreciation they deserved before, during and after the battle. Since the attacks on September 11th, 2001, almost 3 million Americans have been deployed to war zones across the globe, and this has taken a tremendous toll on our nation’s heroes in terms of both visible and invisible wounds. Nearly 1 out of every 3 of those deployed are dealing with traumatic brain injuries and post-traumatic stress. An estimated 30% of our nation’s first responders are also experiencing symptoms of depression and post-traumatic stress.”\n\n&#x200B;\n\nTLDR:After seeing/meeting (family members of the wife) a lot of veterans returning from Vietnam he noticed they werent receiving the care the needed and deserved,this struck a neve. After the deployment of Iraq and Afghanistan dude decided to take action and became super awesome by doing so.",
"What others have said, it is his depiction of Lt Dan. But, i have to add that what made the difference to other such roles is that he did not play a likable character in a light hearted movie, he played it honestly. The character was full of bitterness, it was honest depiction of a fair, good man who got shitted on by the system. It was not a caricature either, it was not irrational crazy vietnam vet but a human. And this is what got him the attention from the vets, them thanking him for it, accepting him as \"part of the tribe\" and that lead to Gary Sinise to get involved in a very, very personal level.",
">You make it sound like homelessness is a simple solution to fix\n\nBut.. it actually is. Housing First policy that gives homeless homes with no conditions, no strings attached, no hoops to jump thru. Just simply give them homes. This by far takes care of most of the real problems homeless have.\n\nAnd at this point someone will say \"but they will trash the place, strip out the copper and burn down the place\".. and to that i say that the price of scrap copper means that you may get bic macs worth for days of hard and dangerous work in the dark. If it sounds like a strawman, then be sure that i've actually countered with that exact argument, verbatim. The idea that homeless are animals is very deeply ingrained in some peoples minds.\n\nStudies that follow Housing First tell a different tale and the kind \"of trashing the place\" is rare. Substance abuse problems decrease and the use of counseling increases. For ex the Finnish housing First has been a massive success. 40% drop in ten years, a trend that also has continued thru the pandemic. Access to counseling and social&health services are provided but not mandated. No drug testing, no sobriety is demanded. Allowing one to feel sympathy for just 5 seconds will explain how it is almost impossible to sober up on the streets. We need to give them a home first, then they can choose to work to fix other problems.\n\nThe end results are that we SAVE MONEY and decrease human suffering. Of course there are a few poor souls that we can't help but for the overwhelming majority it works. The rent is paid by tax payers until they can pay for it themselves. It is still cheaper than them being homeless, and personally: i don't give a flying fuck if it is cheaper or not, within some reason, cause if the end result is less human suffering.. i really don't give a fuck if it costs something and in fact, you have to have to be extra special kind of asshole to disagree, double that if it is because of an ideology that says \"no one should get anything for free\".",
"They are no longer useful for the American imperialist war machine so they have been thrown away.",
"Hell of a guy for it, too. Doesn't take personal experience to help others in need. Just a good heart and a drive for change.",
"It’s a shame our own government can’t care for\nThese folks.",
"200 billion seems like a big number. It’s not. And, it’d apparently not enough.",
"An uncle of mine was a medic in vietnam and while he has barely spoken a word of the atrocities he beared witness too while over there, he'll gladly talk your ear off about just how awful US VA programs are. Not for lack of people, either. Plenty of wonderful people volunteer each year to help out their community. It's 100% on washington and the lack of proper upper management in the VA system that fucks over millions every year.",
"...only because their country has abandoned them! aMuRiCa!!! This belongs on r/ABoringDystopia",
"I love this man. He came into my work a few years back for an interview and wasn't the warmest of socialites but you can tell he has a huge heart. He's done so much for the veteran community. It's really quite wonderful to watch.",
"This dude is punching air rn because of all this guys benefits lmao",
"This is great! However, does anyone realize that we spend over $700 BILLION on our military annually? Carve out one billion from this and you’ve just 500x’ed this effort.",
"Seriously. Wounded veterans should want for nothing.",
"We need to help those who signed up to victimise people abroad, not their victims of course!",
"Imagine feeling bad for people who willingly participated in a war of aggression.",
"if they don't invade other countries, they won't get wounded, their own fault. they should blame their worthless government for their injuries",
"That's america for you, can wage war on other nations yet can't take care of their own, without their troops, the politicians would have to do it and lets face it, american politicians is too chickenshit",
"Yeah, i'm glad to see he's putting some money to a good cause rather than the dry-hump 'thank you for your service'. He's doing good in that respect, no question.\n\n\n\nThe, uh, other stuff, yikes.",
"You literally ignored what they said. It's not about the amount of money (obviously to a degree), it's about the mismanagement.",
"It's in another thread, but it's not about the money. It's about mismanagement of the money.",
"\"Charity\" is a business. First money coming in goes for adinistration. Only then, if any left does the actual cause gets a dime. Vet deals, along with \"badge\" deals are the best because the money flies in. Trump and his friends have pulled huge fucking bank on this stuff. Once you \"give\" you become a \"tap\" that goes on a \"tap sheet\" which gets passed around to \"rooms\". Be careful what you give to.",
"I hope he goes to Cracker Barrel, I need something!",
">\tI'm not a city planner or politician, I have no idea what the best way to spend that money would be. That would be up to the professionals to figure out.\n\nThis feels a lot like when someone with no background in computers says “I don’t understand why they can’t just fix $bug. It’s seems so simple!”",
"> Well 200 billion as a figure itself is meaningless if not managed effectively\n\nYou’ve just discovered the problem with government spending in general.",
"When you are so closed minded, you become what you hate.\n\nI agree, war is stupid. It is usually fought due to religious indifference, or greed. As long as there is a lack of acceptance of others in the world, or people who want to conquer and profit, there will be war.\n\nThe vast majority of those that join the military, do so out of pride, or necessity. Their intentions are not to kill people, or support a religion or warmonger. Their intentions are to protect and defend their country and the people in it, or to better their lives.\n\nUnfortunately, our military teaches these service members how to kill someone, but not how to live with yourself after doing so. During war, the service members are thrown into a position and told that the enemy is trying to kill you, so make sure you kill them first. \n\nCan the service members refuse the order? Sure, but they would face harsh punishment, and basically be blacklisted from life. Companies do not want to hire someone who was given a bad conduct discharge, or a dishonorable discharge.\n\nTo say they willingly participated in a war of aggression is flat out wrong, and misguided. That narrowed and focused mentality is very similar to those that want war.",
"Bezos should give his 100mil to this charity rather than Obamas library.",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3Jch9TSyWk",
"That feeling is what drives income, votes and behavior. You are correct they should want for nothing but there are all kinds of shoulds in this world and it depends on your point of view what should or should not receive resources. That passion is being manipulated by others who are seeking what they want. Not saying this one is doing that but that's how the world goes round.",
"Just goes to show who you're fighting for you pick up a gun for somebody else. Not just politicians. politicians only do what the donors want him to do. United States Army is the security company for Chevron, GM and all those huge corporations that need to have people marching along. Gota keep that money train rolling baby that's what it's all about",
"Well, thank God for Gated \"Communities\". Don't want any of those kind of people around harshing my money dance.",
"I mean, Jon Stewart has also been helping 9/11 first responders get support. People say they want to help them, but nobody in the government does. Another example is the Jan 6 attack, those officers are dealing with a lot of PTSD. It's like pulling teeth to get people to help them.",
"Nice of him or getting money for those war criminals. How lovely!",
"Their doctor can't get them housing. He can refer to a program but its the program that could use a taste. Where they gonna stay? Every neighborhood has a fit anytime low income priced housing is proposed. That leaves only the shittiest place in shittiest part of town. Wait an hour for a bus to drag your ass to grocery store if you want something half way decent. Then hump that stuff back \"home\". Ten year wait for housing on Sect. 8. They steady chopping the hell out of things that help. \nBut much more important that the wealthy be able to purchase 50 million dollar apartments and the rest of us get to bitch about how the Govt. sucks. Which is the mindset allowing them weakin at every chance the only thing that keeps them from exploiting even more. That money that is spent on the VA is money that goes to doctors, the administrator people that make a lot of money. Doesn't go to social workers, or those who can actually do something to help these people so they don't have to go see a $350,000 a year doctor. Its all backwards.",
"Or the emergency room, or the cancer ward, or transplant shop, or the pain clinic, or the mental health house, or....All it takes to cut any line for anybody is wealth.\n\"Oh, excuse me sir. I didn't see you there Mr.Rich Pig. We can help you right over here\"",
"The Three Blind Mice of Mir a Lago can run it from the lounge.",
"I worked in a locked mental health facility that had a contract to work with vets, and other folks who were struggling with schizophrenia. I had many patients that joined up, didnt make through one year, or even basic, that were medically discharged, given a 100% disability for a mental illness. They got $4200 a month. Many of them were on money management that allowed them only $15 a week of money to spend. Rest of it went into their bank account. They would have 3-4, or even $500,000 in the bank that they couldn't touch. And every month another 4200 dropped in it. The guys who weren't on Money management we're doing things like buying $600 baseball hat from Barneys in New York and having them shipped to the facility. $1,200 t-shirts $900 jeans. They would give money away to other paitients. What? Yeah.",
"Interesting combination to be sure.",
"Anymore?",
"Why do you hate America?",
"Too many making too much to stop em, now that money is speech. They bought it, and ain't giving it back.",
"I wonder if you'd write the same diatribe about people who join the mob \"out of pride, or necessity\".",
"I guess there is a difference between patriotism and wanting to join the mob. What an odd comparison. You go into those two things for totally seperate reasons. The point is, if you join the army and get hurt the government should be held to a higher standard than the mob.",
"You are obviously past the point of reasoning. Have a good day.",
"The Reddit hivemind abhors war and right-wing politics but loves this dude",
"I cannot believe the baseless hate in this thread.\n\nGary Sinise is one of the finest Americans to ever walk God's green Earth.\n\nAnd no I do not have any political or religious affiliations.\n\nWhat have you done with your millions?",
"Oh I love Jon Stewart. It's fucking bullshit all responders don't get the help they need. Thos rich fucks sit up there talking about how much they love veterans/emergency responders and call them heroes but when they need money or healthcare they leave em to rot.",
"It gets my goat when Americans think that the reason a problem isn't solved isn't enough spending. See ref. this example, education, federal social programs, etc.",
"I was so impressed that he had his legs amputated for that role. Talk about commitment to the craft!",
"Good guy Gary.\n\nMassive kudos, buddy.",
"That's why this current trend of \"you must have this lived experience to play X character\" is so obnoxious. Look at the good that came from taking *one* role.",
"If all America is is the aforementioned crooked system, then the right question would be, why wouldn't I hate America?",
"Thank you",
"My experience is that veterans, especially wounded veterans, are treated quite well. \n\nI have several military members in my family, with tremendous benefits.... free education, purchasong things without sales tax, retirement after 20 years, free medical care for life. \n\nAnd if you're wounded, my gosh Free Medical Care, free Prosthetics, free job training and of course disability pay on top of your retirement. \n\nI'm not aware of any wounded veteran that's going without.\n\nCan someone give specific examples of a wounded veteran who's not getting disability pay or medical care?",
"https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/26/us/politics/trump-vietnam-draft-exemption.html",
"Still not enough to make up for Mission to Mars",
"[yes, but](https://external-preview.redd.it/hf4CTdJShndzZs9cOUh2q1BK_l7iZeRPzdqgfKX-w2c.jpg?auto=webp&s=3acead9e8a256fdc9b5c18e414bfde1710737db0)",
"Just a reminder that the United States annual defense budget is >750 billion dollars.",
"No. It's about the money",
"Why is our education system so inefficient, then? We spend more than most per student",
"What does one have to do with the other?",
"Do you think we’re don’t spend enough per veteran? Would you like to compare that to other countries?",
"You say \"spend per veteran\" like the money is going towards soldiers and veterans. It goes towards weapons systems and the contractor's who make them.",
"No, I’m talking about the va specifically. Stop being disingenuous and back up your point or hush",
"Fuck off.",
"Well said. You really made your point. Why did you engage if you weren’t interested in conversation? You seem angry.",
"Do I? I'm not. I said the same thing as you. Just less passive aggressive, with fewer words and no ambiguity to my meaning. Go back to being disingenuous with someone else.",
"Gary just posted this thank you to Reddit: https://youtu.be/kBLxAIqBavg",
"Yes and No. There is **definitely** a danger that charities are taking in a lot of money and only passing on a tiny percentage of it. But there are charities that labor heartily to keep their overhead / administrative costs down, and try to pass on as much of their income as possible. Charities that are true to their cause...\n\nTrump's orgs are definitely examples of problem \"charities\". To the point of criminality. \n\n\nBut there are charities that work towards their stated goal, and truly seem to have good interests in mind. \n\n\nIf you're thinking of donating it's good to check with some sources to check the charity in question. Two of the good ones are: \n\n\n[www.charitynavigator.org](https://www.charitynavigator.org)\n\nand\n\n[www.guidestar.org](https://www.guidestar.org)\n\nThey should help you determine how much of each dollar you donate is *actually* going towards the cause you're trying to support.",
"They’re called lobbyists.",
"Hear, hear!\n\nAs someone who works in theater and television, it's also completely ignoring the point of an actor. If we stretch the argument *ad nauseum*, an actor could only ever play themselves. But obviously that's bunkus. Actors are meant to have empathy and understanding for others - to be able to sympathize with another's experience and portray that on the stage or screen. \n\n\nWhile I agree that we need to increase the representation of minority (non- cis/straight/white/male) populations in all the performing arts, I firmly believe that saying \"an actor has to *be* ***x*** to *portray* ***x***\" is gatekeeping at it's finest/worst ... and lacks the very understanding the actor's craft encourages.",
"Homelessness isn't due to mismanagement of VA funds. That is a grossly inadequate (and inaccurate) explanation for why veterans find themselves homeless at a relatively high degree (though fairly close to national rates). \n\nFurthermore, in the last 12 years, homelessness among veterans has more than halved.",
"> 8 Trillion Dollar Defense Budget\n\nwhere are you getting that from???",
"I'm not wounded but getting healthcare through the VA sucks. My ear was bothering me and I was trying to get in because I was worried I had an ear infection. It took almost 3 weeks of playing phone tag to get ahold of someone and set up an appointment that was another 2 weeks out. By then, my ear was cleared up. I would be on hold for about 45 minutes until I could get through to my doctor's office just for them to not answer the phone when I was transferred over to them. My only option was to leave a message which they'd call 2-3 days later while I was busy at work. I'd call back, wait 45 minutes then get transferred to no one and repeat the cycle.\n\nAlso my doctor was a joke. I mentioned several issues to nurse that I wanted to get looked at. The only one the doctor let me talk about was getting set up with someone to monitor my sleep apnea. He asked if I was getting a restful sleep every night which I said I was and he determined I didn't need anything and to let him know when I wasn't getting any sleep. My concern was that with my previous sleep doctor, he was constantly monitoring the data and making small adjustments to the machine, I had no one to do that anymore. He also held the stethoscope to my chest and asked me to take a deep breath and pulled it away just as I started to inhale. [It reminds me of that security guard that failed to check people.](https://i.imgur.com/sh8kx1H.gifv) Anyway, I ended up receiving a detailed survey about him and I think he got fired. I haven't met the new doctor yet but I complained to the nurse about motion sickness and I was prescribed flonase and zyrtec, it didn't do a thing to help.\n\nI just used myhealthevet for the first time today to message my doctor about a covid booster shot. I didn't know that was a thing before my last appointment so we'll see if it goes quicker than 3 weeks of phone tag.",
"Don't forget, those same politicians receive gold star top of the line medical insurance.",
"From what I’ve read, healthcare through the VA seems to actually be like what like what Americans think socialised healthcare in other countries is not really like.\n\nIt’s almost like some higher up thought, “let’s not risk this working, people might start asking questions”",
"Yes it does. Because it's a BS question. It implies that the VA does nothing to help vets in any way whatsoever.",
"hahah this is spot on.\n\nLets apply the argument to a real life example that caused controversy at the time.\n\nThe Last Samurai... people were upset that Tom Cruise was cast in that role. Should it have been a Japanese actor? Should it have been someone who trained Kendo? Should it have been someone who lived the Bushido? How far do you go?",
"Not trying to downplay your experience, but as someone who's moved across 5 states and shuffled through dozens of different insurances and doctors, I feel like your experience seems pretty standard for the American healthcare system as a whole.",
"I feel it's comparable to my girlfriend's state-provided insurance but when I had a great job with great benefits, I had a great care team.",
"I'm a disabled veteran and the process is completely fucked. I got injured in the army(while on duty) and had to have a surgery done and they didn't give me enough anesthetic. I woke up mid surgery fighting the nurse (I didn't know) bleeding everywhere until they restrained me and knocked me out again. I now have insane nerve damage and a painful scar. In order to get disability from that, it took two years and they gave me 10% disability.....10...fucking...percent...for something that affects my every day life. \n \nI lost 70% of the hearing in my left ear and have tinnitus in both ears. It's only another 10% disability and they gave me some cheap ass generic knock off hearing aid that got destroyed in the first year of normal use. \n \n \nI have Lumbar Degenerative Disc Disease which they diagnosed me with at 22 years old. With back pain so sever that my legs get numb and my hips feel like bolts are getting drilled into them throughout the day. Guess what? 10%...\n \nI was an Infantry Machine Gunner for 7 years and it destroyed my body. I understand it was my choice to join and that shouldn't be a burden to the tax payer but for fucks sake can I get a little help from Uncle Sam.\n\n\nThe VA is a fucking joke.",
"Eye roll.\n\nOf course, you're always going to be able to find an objectionable example. Don't expect me to defend Cruz's casting in that. And try understanding nuance a little more, next time...",
"How about all disabled people should want for nothing ?",
"There will always be someone willing to champion both sides of the debate, so once you force all roles to be cast as an actor of the same race as the source materials characters someone will take up the next cause down the chain.\n\nIt's the same as being upset that 007 is now a black woman.",
"[Not much different here in Australia..](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-19/australian-veteran-suicide-government-announces-royal-commission/100078292)\n\nHalf a billion Aussie dollars on a extension to the war memorial and we still see outcomes [like this](https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/nov/29/constant-belittling-mother-tells-veteran-suicide-inquiry-of-army-sons-trauma)",
"Don't forget the politicians who collect their checks~",
"How about money for wounded Iraqis?",
"Why should that be? They did a job. They should get exactly what was in their contract, nothing more and nothing less.",
"Yes but how many people did they kill? We only respect those who kill foreigners abroad.",
"Indeed, patriotism is stupider. Mobsters do it for their own interest, people who join the military out of patriotism actually think that murdering people in Iraq is good for 'Murica.",
"In other words, you've already run out of arguments?",
"both are gangs, why would he treat one different than the other",
"So during the war in Iraq, right as we were learning that our politicians had lied to us so we could fuck with a poor middle easter nation and steal their oil... this guy came to show support for the whole thing? And that's supposed to make him the good guy?",
"All people should want for nothing in a perfect world, wounded veterans have done nothing more than their fellow citizens to jump the queue.",
"people join the army and mob for money",
"Agreed!",
"Oh fuck! So we treat the ones who shed limbs really well?!\n\nWait. You mean we treat the ones who are mentally shattered kinda good too?!\n\nHot dog. I thought we might be able to be like every other developed nation in this world and provide actual comprehensive care. But shit, if someone like you comes along and says they do just fine with constant suicide of their friends and absolutely ridiculous amounts of VA dodging, well fuck, they don't need or want anything else.\n\nThanks, man.",
"I have multiple \"pro vet\" people in my family who say \"I vote for two things: taxes down and investments up\" - they are 100% complicit in why the VA is underfunded and led by various grifters or ineffectual bleeding hearts, depending on the year.",
"kill or maim. don’t forget maiming. partial credit is still credit. but if you maim a child it’s bonus points so it all balances out.",
"I can't think of a single person who's lived in the 31st century, but Billy West has the fucking audacity to play at least FOUR different characters from that era. What an asshole",
"Do you really think this? Come on, man.\n\nEdit: Downvote all you want. They made a shit \"joke\" in a military appreciation thread. I'll stand by this all day.",
"It's almost as if the world is more nuanced than \"one side versus the other\", and most people are mature enough to realize that someone with different political views doesn't make them an enemy.",
"Well, don't you sound like a miserable do nothing.",
"it's quite obviously a joke about the military industrial complex",
"Eh, Reddit and the military... Ya never know.",
"Isn't not having had lived experience what makes it *acting*?",
"Sorry you have to go through this. I appreciate your service.",
"Also, people have different priorities.",
"You know what? This is a good deed and all, but why does the richest nation on earth need my europoor money to care for its own people?\n\nEnact some change. Stop letting billions of dollars get spent on guns and weapons of war, and take care of your citizens.\n\nI'm donating to cancer research, and to help fight poverty and famine in Africa. The USA is a big boy and can take care of itself.",
"I love the *idea* of universal healthcare. \n\nI really do.\n\nBut whenever I meet someone who gets on the UH soapbox, I tell them about the VA and DoD healthcare ( which is, in effect, socialized medicine). Our government isn't capable of handling Universal Healthcare.",
"It's either hyperbole or dead wrong. It's closer to 1T with administration costs, technically 750B on paper.",
"How about all people without disabilities should want for nothing",
"Yes, absolutely, and this is not to belittle or take away from the plight of disabled people, but wounded veterans literally need help because they signed up to the armed forces of their country and put their lives on the line to defend it. If the government won't help THEM what chance does anyone else have?",
">This feels a lot like when someone with no background in computers says “I don’t understand why they can’t just fix $bug. It’s seems so simple!”\n\nIn all fairness my background is in software and I say that all the time :P (half the time I caused the bug as well, which annoys me because I can only blame myself)",
"If your contract says that if you lose limbs during your job, your company doesn’t make sure you can live the rest of your life without being out of a job and in debt for medical bills, then it’s a shit contract. \n\nIf you get disabled for life by working for the government, then the bloody government should take care of you for life. If the government cannot do that, then they should not send people overseas to fight and risk their lives.",
"I’m not a veteran myself but my dad is and he has hated the VA hospital and doctor services since I can remember. Consistently long waits with subpar service as well as the fact that sometimes they would say “we can’t help with that here, make an appointment with the X department” after getting told the same thing at that department *3 months prior* because that was the earliest possible appointment.",
"I would advocate that someone who lost a leg by working for the government absolutely did something more that other people in the queue. Not that the government shouldn’t help everyone by the way. Here in western Europe there are pretty good welfare programmes.",
"Exactly. They are disabled *because* of the government. So the government has a direct moral obligation to help them.",
"More like Gary Pinise, am I right?",
"Veteran affairs budget is over 250 billion, so it's roughly a third of the defense's total budget, in that context it seems to me like they do care about veterans.",
"The veteran affairs budget is already over 250 billion. Sinise is trying to generate 1/250000th of that.",
"Yeah be glad people fought in the previous wars so people like you actually have freedom. Ungrateful fuck.",
"You're not gonna get through to someone like him lmao, wasting your time. People like him are a lost cause.",
"More like no matter what someone says you're going to have some stupid ass remark or reply it's a waste of time.",
"Veteran affairs budget is 269 billion. https://www.va.gov/budget/ \n\nDefense budget is about 750 billion https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/2638711/the-department-of-defense-releases-the-presidents-fiscal-year-2022-defense-budg/",
"What this man does for veterans in this country is remarkable. As someone who has veterans in his family, it's hard to overstate how much this kind of effort means to them. His work over the years and his dedication to this cause is truly admirable. At a time when it's easy to be cynical about celebrities, Mr. Sinise is a true gem of a soul.",
"Yes, we need to return to the ancient era of warfare where leaders are required to join the troops on the battlefield, i tell you there would be a lot less wars then, especially from america if their politicians are required to fight alongside the troops",
"Gotta love the loot",
"You know Reddit is just people. There are people who say these things. Not just a bunch of numbers or whatever you think Reddit is",
"I disagree. They can go and get a job. And yes there is always a job if it hasn't been priced out by Government distorting the market. \n \nGo. And. Get. A. Job",
"“See the world”\n\n“Free College”\n\n“Healthcare for life”\n\n“Yeah there’s a waiting list for that job, just try this other thing until a slot opens”\n\n“We can get a waiver for that”\n\n“Sign-on bonus”\n\n“The VA will take care of you”",
"Lmao",
"Even still, to be clear they should still have unmet wants. However all of their basic needs should be met - in fact everyone's basic needs of shelter, clothing and food should be met at a minimum. Humanity is surely technologically developed enough to do that.\n\nWhen people don't have their basic needs, their behaviour changes. They accept exploitation in order to scrape by. With those needs met, people work because they want to - doing nothing gets boring fast - and often will actually be more effective and productive in what they do.",
"Yea but how else is the US supposed to have 11 aircraft carriers (and 9 \"HELO\" carriers), which is nearly as many as every other country combined?\n\n/s if it was needed.",
"Allocating find =/= treating people decently with said funds. I'm not here to pick it apart one way or the other, the existence of a budget only goes so far, for any program. \n\nIt's like saying we allocate a huge portion of infrastructure spending to roadways, so we're doing it right. But obviously we still have ton of roads in a poor state of repair.",
">Edit: Downvote all you want. They made a shit \"joke\" in a military appreciation thread. I'll stand by this all day.\n\n1. This is not a military appreciation thread. This is a *veteran* appreciation thread. Actually, it's a *wounded* veteran appreciation thread.\n\n2. This comment chain is quite literally the polar opposite of \"military appreciation\", it is criticism. Justified criticism too, how can they not account for what is essentially workers comp. \n\n3. It was an obvious joke.",
"*\"Yes, absolutely, and this is not to belittle or take away from the plight of disabled people\"*\n\nThe guy you are replying to *knows* that the OP didn't mean it that way, he's just trying to grab some moral highground by pretending that OP implied that only wounded veterans needed to be taken care and not wounded civilians. He was being a virtue signaling parasite.",
"\n>Allocating find =/= treating people decently with said funds. I'm not here to pick it apart one way or the other, the existence of a budget only goes so far, for any program. \n\nI'm not sure how adding 1/125000th to that budget will make any difference for the 19 million current veterans though, and I didn't hear any mention of changing how it is spent, just raising more. That's 10¢ per veteran per year, versus the $14,157 per veteran already budgeted.",
"$8 trillion? I get and agree with your point but $8 trillion is an order of magnitude higher than reality",
"Did you try even a basic googling or research what the foundation in question goes? Or the programs therein, which were mentioned in the video?\n\nI'm not here to defend the money or the cause or anything, i was simply addressing the comment you made and the logic you suggested should be applied in considering this fundraising. This isn't even to get to the most fundamental concept of how charitable foundation fundraising efforts and federal budgets are just fundamentally different concepts with fundamentally different intentions and needs and strategies.",
"I can tell you've led a sheltered life.",
"What year was that? I feel like I remember him coming to FSGA in 2009, but I’m not sure",
"It's nearly 8 trillion over the next 8 years or so",
"$14,157 per person, per year, in our capitalist medical system might as well be fucking nothing",
"You know why",
"If the VA wanted to be helpful they could at least untangle the unnecessary web of red tape involved with receiving care at the VA.",
"A lot of times it's related to mental health which the VA isn't treating adequately.",
"No actually what you’re missing about this is that people are now talking about the defense budget as a ten-year cost because that’s how every social program is shot down saying that it’ll cost $3 trillion even though it’s over a decade.\n\nThis number is being used to put our military spending in context of the same argument that other people use to shoot down things that help people. 800B *10\n\nAlso where does 7.5 B come from the 750 billion?!? Who is having math trouble here. The fact you feel mad about this in accuracy should make you equally mad about how healthcare/infrastructure/etc costs are described in a misleading way.",
"Just a reminder to read the other 800 similar comments before posting the 801st similar comment.",
"People are talking about the budget in context of a 10 year cost because that is how other social programs are described by politicians in a misleading manner.",
"I'll take \"lies recruiters tell kids in high school\" for 1000, Alex.",
"Way to \"All Lives Matter\" disabled vets",
"In what way does the previous comment suggest disabled people should struggle?",
"If you can't afford to take care of your soldiers when they come home, you can't afford to send them to war in the first place.",
"You're off by more than a factor of 10",
"\n>Did you try even a basic googling or research what the foundation in question goes? Or the programs therein, which were mentioned in the video?\n\nI was addressing people saying or implying that the government isn't doing anything, and that this foundation is a large amount, like the post I replied to, or [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r640t4/-/hmr22ez) , and [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r640t4/-/hmsmirj) which ignorantly asks for 269 times less than is already being spent as if nothing is currently being spent and implying that money solves the problem.\n\n>I'm not here to defend the money or the cause or anything, i was simply addressing the comment you made and the logic you suggested should be applied in considering this fundraising. This isn't even to get to the most fundamental concept of how charitable foundation fundraising efforts and federal budgets are just fundamentally different concepts with fundamentally different intentions and needs and strategies.\n\nYou're using the logic I suggested? Which was already a criticism of the logic of people saying how much the government spends on defense while being ignorant of how much it doesn't on veterans. I think we're going on circles.",
"But if everyone had all their basic needs met then we wouldn't have anyone joining the military",
"Are you saying that all lives matter?",
"You have my sympathies, but with about 1/4 of the population and almost half of the voters, I don't suppose much will change soon. \n\nIt's a bit ironic maybe in this context that republicans tend towards being pro military but anti universal healthcare though. I guess the veterans just need work hard for the American Dream and pull themselves up by their bootstraps.",
"I like that this is literally what you're doing with your comment.",
"Can you remind me exactly when Iraq or Afghanistan tried to take my freedom away? Or are you trying to equate the vets who were drafted to fight fascism in WWII with the racist fucks wwho signed up to go murder villagers in the middle east so the could buy a new pickup truck?",
"Again, when talking about the defense budget they talk yearly but when talking about things like universal Healthcare and other things they talk about how much it'll cost over time. That's what I'm referencing",
"Gary Sinise is a Republican.",
"\"They started it! That's why I get to lie!\"",
"Sort of relevant video of Gary on a talk-show where he briefly explains what happened (same as what you described, just in his own words). \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuAbq1GtsQk",
"Nah just do a forced draft like every other country. :)",
"Thats apples and oranges",
"Oh yeah, of course. I just mean that things like health care and possible inability to work again should be taken care of, not free mansions and luxury food for the rest of their lives.",
"And what about the millions with jobs who still struggle? At what point do admit you just don't care about other people?",
"OP would probably be horrified to know that I'm prior service and I downvoted him lol\n\nIt was a joke, Steve :)",
"Bullshit. The rest of the world is blowing us away with healthcare, but America is just too dumb or greedy to pull it off?",
"Then let's project out 20 years so your comment can be even more dramatic.",
"So good idea - mislead just like a politician",
"Imagine sucking the DOD cock like this......we only wasted 20 trillion the past 20 years",
"Ehh, they're not necessarily lies. They just don't always apply to everybody. \n\nI have seen the world (the nice places too, not just the shitty ones). \n\nI have taken free college classes (online though, which is mostly a joke). \n\nHaven't retired yet, but I will get healthcare when I do, albeit there are apparently lots of things left to be desired there. \n\nI was fortunate to be able to get the job I wanted, but i do know people that cross-train. \n\nThere are waivers for damn near everything. Everything in the military is possible with the right person pushing the buttons. \n\nI got a small signing bonus, and a huge reenlistment bonus. Just gotta pick the right job. Also, jobs with bonuses are usually the ones that are more available...\n\nNo experience with the VA yet. \n\nAll in all, I've had a great fucking time, and have had many great opportunities. \n\nBut your mileage may vary.",
"Tell Republicans to stop touting 10 year budget costs to deny helping poor people...",
"Utopia would be great yeah no shit",
"No actually I didn’t do shit I’m just explaining with the other guy did because it got you all riled up.\n\nYou thought he was wrong and I told you exactly what the situation was take that for what it’s worth.",
"Oh for sure. My overall experience has been positive so far, but I suppose it would be more accurate to say they’re half-truths. Yes they’re technically the truth, but they really gloss over the true cost of all those things.",
"You're probably joking, but I do feel like we might benefit from what other countries have set up like a mandatory 2 yr service for every able bodied adult. It wouldn't necessarily have to be military service, but say the option to join certain charitable groups like the Red Cross or something. It would give people a greater appreciation for soldiers and/or the less fortunate. Most people would get some level of self-defense training, discipline, potentially remove ppl from bad areas. It might even help people find their path.",
"The profit margins are too small to help disabled soldiers. Weapons is where the money's at. It's a business, it's why almost every retired General ends up on the board of these defense contractors.",
"If only it was possible to maybe uh... idk \\*tax\\* these corpos, companies, big business owners, who so happen to want less regulation, want to pay less taxes, and use tax havens + tax avoidance strategies aka \\*not illegal until they pass a law that says it is\\* (so it's more of a morality thing), maybe we would be able to rely less on charity and more on how this wealthy country could possibly take care of their own. \n\n\nBut you know **corruption** aside, we want the whole \\*pick yourself up from your bootstraps\\*, self sufficient, individualism, hell in a hand-basket mentality that desires to demean human life, all in the name of profit! \n\n\nIt's fine to receive help, as long as it's called \\*charitable\\* or from charity, but heaven's no, if it's a \"government handout\" it's suddenly WRONG. \n\n\nPeople make up your damn mind, the clock is ticking and the wealthy/elites are only going to keep pulling up the \"remaining\" ladders until we do something.",
"Gary needs to stop stumping for the party that not only underfunds veterans, but keeps funding wars that create new veterans.",
"Ok lol",
"\"But then how would would we justify privatizing the VA?\"\n\n\\- Republicans and Corporate Democrats",
"We are technologically developed to fulfill such essential needs, but unfortunately the world is mostly run by fuckers who are not sympathetically developed and driven by selfish desires and greed",
"Don't you think that's an incredibly dishonest way to say it though?",
"Nope because that's the way politicians talk when they don't want to help people",
"It's awesome and sincerely genuine that he's doing this. \n\nBut holey fuck is it depressing that the literal trillions of tax dollars that goes to the defense budget every year isn't enough to take care of the veterans after they're in, out, and beyond. \n\nAnyone else watch that episode of The Problem with Jon Stewart were they talk about the burn pits and how they're not covered by veterans health insurance benefits?",
"\"But what about the cops? They risk der lervs!\" is exactly the kind of folk \"wisdom\" you'd get from a conservative in response to a similar comment. So while we may imagine the conservative harboring more hateful thoughts than the parent commenter's likely are (benefit of the doubt seems to be given because he is in our in-group), the comparison--which I think was just a roundabout way of spotlighting a logical fallacy--seems to me to stand.",
"uh.....yes.",
"[Check out this TED Talk that explains that this narrative about how charities shouldn't be using money to pay salaries and administrative costs is totally backwards thinking.](https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_think_about_charity_is_dead_wrong?language=en)\n\nIn the for-profit sector, if you do good work and produce more value for the company (land a new client, exceed sales goals, cut losses, etc), you can get a big raise or bonus and take home more money.\n\nIn the non-profit sector, if you do good work and produce more value for the charity (bring in tons of new donations, plan a successful event, develop an innovative new program, win a big legal case, etc), somehow you getting a raise is considered \"stealing\" from the cause you work for.\n\nThis double standard is why it's incredibly difficult for charitable organizations to recruit and keep top-level talent, and why working in the non-profit sector is considered the realm of the very young, the already very wealthy, or \"true believers\" who are willing to live hand-to-mouth forever in order to work on behalf of their cause.\n\nI worked in charity fundraising for most of my 20s, but I had to leave for this very reason. I was setting fundraising records almost every quarter, bringing in more money for the organization than nearly anyone else in the international organization's 50 year history, and I loved the org and I care passionately about the cause and their mission, but I had to quit the job I loved dearly to go be a low-level office drone doing pointless busywork I hated but it paid me literally double.\n\nI wish I could afford to have kept my job. But working for charity pays almost nothing and everyone you talk to wants you to make less, because paying your salary is somehow you stealing from the charity. \n\nPaying for the salaries of the people doing the work *is* going towards the cause you're trying to support. They are the people doing the work.\n\nYes there are people who start charities in bad-faith efforts to personally enrich themselves and do nothing for their cause--Trump and his coterie of dipshits being a prime example--but there are much better metrics to judge charities by than how much they pay their employees. We should *want* people who devote their lives to working on the causes that we care about to be able to live decent lives. If someone is out there working 30, 40, 50, 60 hours a week and volunteering more on their days off working diligently to make sure everyone can vote in this era of vote suppression, or protect our forests from overzealous loggers, or free the wrongly convicted from prisons... I *want* those people to be the best and the brightest and I want them to be able to go home at night and spend time with their families without having to worry if they're going to be able to pay their rent next month.\n\n...I didn't mean to write all this when I started typing, but I guess I have strong feelings about this subject.",
"Could you give some examples?",
"[Check out this TED Talk that explains that this narrative about how charities shouldn't be using money to pay salaries and administrative costs is totally backwards thinking.](https://www.ted.com/talks/dan_pallotta_the_way_we_think_about_charity_is_dead_wrong?language=en)\n\nIn the for-profit sector, if you do good work and produce more value for the company (land a new client, exceed sales goals, cut losses, etc), you can get a big raise or bonus and take home more money.\n\nIn the non-profit sector, if you do good work and produce more value for the charity (bring in tons of new donations, plan a successful event, develop an innovative new program, win a big legal case, etc), somehow you getting a raise is considered \"stealing\" from the cause you work for.\n\nThis double standard is why it's incredibly difficult for charitable organizations to recruit and keep top-level talent, and why working in the non-profit sector is considered the realm of the very young, the already very wealthy, or \"true believers\" who are willing to live hand-to-mouth forever in order to work on behalf of their cause.\n\nI worked in charity fundraising for most of my 20s, but I had to leave for this very reason. I was setting fundraising records almost every quarter, bringing in more money for the organization than nearly anyone else in the international organization's 50 year history, and I loved the org and I care passionately about the cause and their mission, but I had to quit the job I loved dearly to go be a low-level office drone doing pointless busywork I hated but it paid me literally double.\n\nI wish I could afford to have kept my job. But working for charity pays almost nothing and everyone you talk to wants you to make less, because paying your salary is somehow you stealing from the charity.\n\nYes there are people who start charities in bad-faith efforts to personally enrich themselves and do nothing for their cause--Trump and his coterie of dipshits being a prime example--but there are much better metrics to judge charities by than how much they pay their employees. We should *want* people who devote their lives to working on the causes that we care about to be able to live decent lives. If someone is out there working 30, 40, 50, 60 hours a week and volunteering more on their days off working diligently to make sure everyone can vote in this era of vote suppression, or protect our forests from overzealous loggers, or free the wrongly convicted from prisons... I *want* those people to be the best and the brightest and I want them to be able to go home at night and spend time with their families without having to worry if they're going to be able to pay their rent next month.\n\n>help you determine how much of each dollar you donate is actually going towards the cause you're trying to support.\n\nPaying for the salaries of the people doing the work *is* going towards the cause you're trying to support. They are the people doing the work.\n\n...I didn't mean to write all this when I started typing, but I guess I have strong feelings about this subject.",
"Yeah. It's fucked up. What support they do get isn't even tied to inflation, so they essentially are getting less support every month.",
"Last wounded veteran I saw in public had a super advanced robotic carbon fiber prosthetic leg. We got to talking and I asked him how much it cost and he said it was completely covered by Tricare. So these guys who need charities must have fallen through the cracks.",
"Nice talk,",
"And they keep signing up. To fulfil educational needs without putting themselves into crippling debt. It's bizzare.",
"So a republican is funding with donations (socialism) a charity (more socialism) to help take care of veterans, in part because Americans don't want socialist healthcare. And there are so many veterans because America has the biggest defense in the world, which is a pro republican stance.",
"You really need to up your reading comprehension skills buddy. I said 200 billion is meaningless IF, (emphasis on if) not managed correctly. Then specifically asked veterans how they felt about the level of care the receive to try to get some anecdotal understanding on whether or not the community that 200 billion is meant to serve feels it’s being managed well. Anybody above a 5th grade reading level would have understood I wasn’t claiming it to be mismanaged out of the gate.\n\nAnd in your second point which is equally stupid you clearly display you don’t understand the point my comment is driving at. It’s about how well that money is put to use. 200 billion could be entirely squandered resulting in a poor level of service to our veterans. Or it could be managed extremely efficiently leading to a tremendous level of care for veterans. In short, it’s not so much about the size of the bucket of money but how well that bucket of money is put to use. So the statement of “well the VA budget is 200 billion so clearly the government takes care of its vets” is stupid. Because it’s entirely possible the money is wasted due to incompetence and achieves a less then ideal outcome for veterans.",
"This is why it's more advantageous to wound soldiers than to kill them. A flag covered coffin on TV is much less impactful than having your morning routine interrupted every day by an amputee in old fatigues holding a sign saying he's a veteran begging for food.",
"Yup. Its just the unfortunate nature of how bad faith everyone acts when debating politics. Its supposedly well known that when you play in the mud with the pigs you get dirty, and yet repeatedly left leaning individuals have shown signs of copying the bad acts of the RNC.",
"This is the equivalent of that women who had her kid hit by the other woman so she hit the other woman's kid.",
"Like how the BBB plans was reduced to like 10% of its original cost because congress prefers bombs over childcare etc",
"as a disabled person i support this. fat chance this country will ever start heading in that direction unless something drastic happens.",
"Our government is a fucking joke.",
"Lol, uh.. who's mad? That's a lot of projecting there bud. It was just worth correcting because facts matter. Our defense budget annually is closer to 1 trillion *per year* which is how budgets are typically understood by people. 7.5 was a typo yes. Chill out and don't be so presumptuous. If it were up to me our defense budget would be like 20% of what it is now.",
"how many people's lives have you ended while having your great time and getting your great opportunities?",
"I mean they literally sign up to kill people too. They should not want but why the hell are they signing up.",
"Those countries usually offer some kinds of noncombat national service for conscientious objectors, yes.",
"The build back better plans were all scheduled for a certain amount of time and so you could quantify their cost as being X concretely. The defense budget does not work that way. Do you have examples of the republicans doing this for non timed/defined services comparable to the military budget? For an example social security, medicare, or welfare benefits?\n\nWould the misleading part not be to claim that a program explicitly defined as costing, lets say, 4.5 trillion over 5 year would \"cost 900 billion?\" \n\nContextually you surely see the difference here don't you? Instead of choosing an arbitrary time-frame you don't define to inflate the impression readers would get VS stating the overall cost of a timed and clearly budgeted program set to run only for a certain period?",
"“If wounded vets wanted care they could have pulled themselves up from where there legs used to be and gotten a job with insurance” /s\n\nI hope people who unironically have this world view step on legos every time they get out of bed in the morning.",
"My main point is that it shouldn't be that vets or anyone wants for nothing, just that their basic needs are met. Disabled vets would of course have greater basic needs.",
"What the fuck are you talking about? My comment was about OP using 8 years of data to dramatize his point. You're an idiot",
"I'm a disabled vet who actually relies on the VA for healthcare, and fuck these people. It's even more frustrating seeing it from other vets, watching them piss into the wind and wonder why their face is wet.",
"Well, I'm pissed that we're spending $100 trillion on defense (over 100 years, but I didn't say that)",
"> I understand it was my choice to join and that shouldn't be a burden to the tax payer\n\nThis is wrong. You signed a contract with the government, and part of that contract is they're supposed to take care of you afterward. You getting the benefits you need is not a taxpayer burden. The military you served in is the burden on the taxpayer. Even if you got a 100% rating from the VA, your benefits would not begin equal how much money was spent training you, equipping you and deploying you in the first place, not to mention the crazy cost of all the ordinance you saw getting used.",
"I rely on the VA for healthcare, and yes it is socialized medicine, and yes it's shit sometimes.\n\nBut then I look at all my friends who didn't serve, working two jobs to pay rent and having ZERO healthcare, look at fully employed Americans dying of tooth infections, my friend who died of treatable cancer at age 24.\n\nThe care I get from the VA should be the minimum standard that all Americans are getting.",
"I found the thing about Tom Cruise kind of overblown anyway because the \"Last Samurai\" of the title was either Ken Watanabe, or his people more generally. Cruise's character is basically only in the film to ride along and give English-speaking and especially American audiences something to empathise with, especially with how it draws comparisons between the film and what happened with the Native Americans.\n\nIt's definitely not perfect as far as stereotypical racial nonsense goes, but the concept of having a foreigner there to give viewers unfamiliar with that culture a point of view character isn't totally bankrupt, films have managed to pull it off. The fact that Cruise's character is there at all is not the source of those problems.",
"Hey serious question, does it click at all that those benefits are forms of socialist welfare policy? Like do vets you know generally understand where the money for those subsidies comes from or is it just like “Uncle Sam” or “the government” or whatever. \n\nI ask because I got SCREAMED at once for saying the word “socialism” in the same sentence as “G.I. bill” in a conversation about VA healthcare",
"Once they're no longer an able bodied cog for the killing machine they are no longer useful to them.",
"More importantly, they signed up from rural and low income communities so they could get free healthcare and a higher education they couldn't have otherwise afforded due to the lack of social safety netting here in the grand ole US of A. The sense of duty and patriotism that led them specifically down such a path is the result of a paid for campaign to glorify the death and maming of your own body for a country that is NOT the greatest country in the world and does NOT care about you or your family.",
"The world is run by sociopaths, who get themselves into power and then change the rules to be more favourable to sociopaths.",
"100000000%. \n\n\nbut everyone in america should want for nothing.",
"It's crazy how many people can't hold a job even when they literally have to to live lol. It's boring doing nothing for you and for me, and many other besides. But there's still a lot of people who would abuse the system, not to mention the morality of using the governments threat of imprisonment to force people to pay for other people's needs.",
"Our \"education system\" is funded, in many places, by local property taxes, which almost ensures it fails. Wealthy communities will see larger funding per student (more money, less students) while poor communities have less money with more students. The spending per student will appear to be higher than what it really is for the majority of students. \n \nThat said, I do agree that there are inefficiencies we can correct, we should actually separate funding sources for the schools: infrastructure, staff/faculty, and admin. Admin would only be for positions higher than a principal. This would prevent \"increasing spending for schools\" intended for teachers/supplies going to the school board or to a football stadium. \n \nWe specifically need to ensure that teacher's salaries are competitive with private offerings. If you graduate with a BS or MS in physics, the 70k starting private job looks much better than the 38k highschool teacher. \n \nAdditionally, every single city/town has it's own school district, some with multiple. Every additional board/district is going to duplicate some amount of work. There's likely several instances where consolidating them would be cost-effective, but they'll never do it because you'll end up losing jobs.",
"Veterans get treated like such shit. They're forced to use shoddy places like the VA (Veterans Affairs) for any medical care and they just get jerked around. The U.S. government doesn't give a shit about its pawns and never has. They think they're godkings, but they can't even use a cellphone without blaming teenagers for it.",
"\"But you're Able Bodied and Able to Work Disabled [aka ABAWD], so you don't need food stamps.\", says the DHS.",
"This is a thing that I think our country may be too deep on to correct anytime soon because its the perfect example of US citizen, eating their cake and having it too. \n\nIts strange, we are one of (if not the #1) charitable countries, in terms of how much individual people donate willingly, yet we cant find it to increase our taxes and spread the burden equally. There are people that will donate thousands to avoid paying it in taxes, which i do not understand. Sometimes it feels like we have a pay what you want tax system. Our IRS is the leave a penny tray on a much larger scale, or at least it feels this way sometimes. \n\nI know very little about the things i am talking about, this is the internet.",
"You're making my point for me. The spending is inefficient. Baltimore spends like 18k per student per year. My little tiny Christian school growing up (graduating class was 13) in rural Colorado was less than 10% of that. It's what you do with it that is far more important. It's not fixed by simply throwing more money at it. We spend far more than enough.",
"Sadly it's vote for lip service, get lip service.",
"Show an impoverished or homeless person an empty building and they'll probably see a home. Show a rich person an empty building and they'll actually pay to keep it empty. It's all one big fake game and it's gonna get nasty when it crumbles.",
"They fuck, that's why they're fuckers. It's what they do.",
"Can you remind me when the government forced these people to sign up?",
"You mean return to supreme heads of state, with ultimate power over all the executive, judiciary and legislative branches? \n\nAre you intending to still elect these people?",
"You should take a real close look at some of the money being given to the rich in the new \"infrastructure\" bill that was just passed. You will shout out loud in anger if you do.",
">a military appreciation thread\n\nYeh, keep your cult-like adoration for the military to yourself.",
"Tell me what has been done for veterans this year.\n\nanswer: jack shit.\n\nThis isn't a one party problem. It's a 1% problem.",
"So both parties?",
"Who is presuming? I’m reading dude I’m 1000% certain that’s what he meant.",
"What’s your point dude? Just admit you didn’t get the context, think the context sucks, and move on.",
"Tell me what kind of bills have been voted down by the GOP that included help for vets? Please don’t act like this is a “BoTh SiDeS!1!” situation when one side is obstructing the other. You’re falling for the bullshit exactly as they’d hoped.",
"That's going to be a hard comparison, since rural CO is going to have different operating costs (it's much colder in the winter and for longer in MD, for example). Then adjusting for cost of living, taxes, etc makes it a hard comparison. \n \nSo, if I look up Maryland private school costs: \nhttps://www.privateschoolreview.com/tuition-stats/maryland\n \nIf we look at all schools, you'll see the median highschool tuition is $14,700 and the median elementary school is about $6,700. Which seems a lot closer than 10% of the public school cost. Unfortunately there's no per-student breakdown for elementary vs highschool.\n \nBeyond this, larger buildings require more staff (janitors for example) and more electricity for lighting and heating (heat/light the hallways). Public schools will have busses to service areas, while private schools generally don't. \n \nAlso, private schools can kick out students that fall behind or have behavioral issues. Public schools can't do this. So if a student needs extra resources like counseling, tutors, etc. it will drive up the per-student cost, which private schools don't need to deal with. According to [this article](https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/investigations/bs-md-baltimore-schools-funding-20180601-story.html), around 15 percent of Baltimore's public school students have special needs. \n \nLastly, people who can afford to go to private schools usually also have a parent that can stay-home and mentor their child through the earlier education phases (elementary and into middle school). This drastically improves the education outcomes of those students. If both parents are working or it's a single-parent, that may not be an option. \n \nAll this to say, that there are *many* reasons why per student spending is higher at public schools and to compare it to private schools and claim it should be similar cost is a bad idea. Private schools have many advantages for lowering costs that aren't available to public schools.",
"Both parties have held power over the past 15 years and nothing has been done to improve the VA system.\n\nnothing.",
"You seem too determined not to understand this so I am not wasting more time on you, but for anyone else reading this, “both parties held power” completely misrepresents how gridlocked the Congressional system has been since Obama. Obstructionism is a GOP tactic, and there are plenty of gullible rubes like the guy I’m responding to who have fallen hook, line and sinker for their spin.\n\nEDIT: “[bOth sIdEs!](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/19/veterans-bill-voted-down-us-senate)” lol",
"In a system where society doesn't provide you money, it provides only for your basic needs (food, shelter, clothes), then it is pretty much impossible to take advantage of the system. You might not put back into it, but you'll want a new phone, fast internet, TV and general modern conveniences that should be only available as luxuries you work for.\n\nIt's a fine balance, but I certainly think it would be achieveable to provide enough for people to live regardless, while still keeping them incentivised to work for their advancement.",
"you totally confuckulated my comment",
"Disabled people can get jobs too yah know. They are not all invalids.",
"That is just dumb. Any employer is responsible for their employees’ safety, that has nothing to do with being forced. If you lose an arm due to an electrocution from government-employed power line maintenance, the government should also be responsible for your costs, right? Power grid workers aren’t forced to do that job. Yet they deserve protection from and care after accidents.",
"in this same country, the largest use of gofundme donations is medical debt... we can't take care of our civilian citizens either.",
"In the words of Archer: “Can’t or won’t?”",
"Again, you're making my point for me. Money isn't the issue, dude. It's the inefficiency of the spending.",
"I completely agree that in an ideal world, we wouldn't have to earn the things we need. There would be no suffering, etc. But in reality, someone has to farm or raise that food. Someone has to hold that house. The materials come from somewhere. And it goes on and on. All things we, as a society, need in order to provide basic needs for the people who won't do it themselves. \n\nFor the government to obtain these materials, plus the man hours to process these materials, it involves either stealing money from those who earned it in order to pay, or stealing the product and labor instead of stealing money to pay for it. In either case, it's theft in my mind. If you can somehow help me morally justify this, I'd love to hear it.",
"None. I've helped a bunch of people though.",
"Imagine looking this stupid on reddit and not realizing it. Dude... Just stop, you're only making yourself look like a bigger fool.",
"You left out the other half of that statement. \n\n200 billion is meaningless *if* not managed effectively. \n\nIf budget is not effectively managed, then 200 billion would be meaningless. \n\nWhy would you leave out the second half of the statement that disproves the implications you’re making..?",
"I'm Air Force, so my co-workers are generally more aware of things like that, and less right leaning on average, compared to most of the other services. \n\nI think most people are generally aware of the irony regarding our healthcare. \n\nYou should still avoid using the word socialism though. While mostly correct when referring to publicly funded healthcare, it's incorrect incorrect when referring to things like the G.I. Bill and other welfare programs in general. \n\nWelfare has nothing to do with the economic structure of a country. Capitalism, communism, socialism, libertarianism, it doesn't matter. All styles of economy collect taxes of some kind to be used for funding necessary services. \n\nThe choice to use that money to fund projects or services that benefit the members of a society is simply a policy decision, and has nothing to do with the style of economy. It's a reflection of what a society values. \n\nThrowing the word socialism around has only given republicans a convenient box to place democrats inside and provides an effective dog whistle to blow when trying to fire up their base. \n\nIt has only hurt democrats and progressives in general, and we should stop letting them use it. \n\nJust my 2 cents.",
"How is the G.I. Bill not a socialized welfare policy?",
"If you're a moron, I guess so. But the rest of us can [very plainly see that it is *not* both parties.](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/sep/19/veterans-bill-voted-down-us-senate)",
"Yeah. I see the military as an extremely valuable opportunity. It is up to the individual to make of it what they will. \n\nSometimes you're unlucky and you get a shit assignment or a horrible boss, but if you let a single instance define your whole experience, then of course you'll hate the entire system. \n\nIf you instead focus on the fact that every situation you find yourself in is temporary, then you can focus on finding the good parts of what you have, and learning how to make the system work to put yourself in a place you *want* to be instead. \n\nIf you're still fairly new, my advice when you find yourself in a situation that sucks, especially when it's because of your work environment, is to distill in your mind what it is about that situation that sucks. Why is it that way. Who makes it that way. What are the behaviors and dynamics involved. \n\nUnderstand those things, because if you stick around a while, you'll find yourself in a position to do something about it the next time you encounter it. And you can guard yourself against becoming the person that creates that situation. \n\nSame thing when you're in a good spot. Figure out what it's about, and emulate it.\n\nAnd last thing while I'm waxing poetic: it doesn't matter what rank you or anybody else is. Everybody is human. Nobody is perfect. And everyone deserves the same fair shot at earning your respect.",
"It is publicly funded, but it has nothing to do with socialism.\n\nEdit to clarify: \n\nyour original post said socialist and socialism. That's what I was disagreeing with. \n\nIt is socialized, because it's publicly funded. But that is a word with a different meaning.",
"Because America is prime real estate and it cost money to live here. Nobody is \"stealing\" a thing from you. You drive on roads? Keep police and fire fighters on 24/7 call? Like water? Your taxes don't even cover your ass, much less anybody else. How much does it cost to be a decent human being? You appear unable to qualify. Perhaps you would feel more comfortable in a country more in line with your budget.",
"When they started using deceptive marketing strategies in schools and poor communities while pushing legislation designed to keep said communities poor and desperate enough to enlist? \n\nMight've had something to do with it.",
"I'm a veteran and fuck you. Good to know you really are an ass. Called that one",
"No reasonable person of anyone I know would see a government \"budget\" with no context and assume it was for some duration other then annual. Can you educate me and point me towards a resource where it's considered standard practice to assume a budget figure implies 3, 5, 10 years like you seem to be suggesting? This is not my understanding of how annual budgets are voted on and passed. A cursory Google search corroborates this.",
"At risk of sounding redundant- “social welfare” is the broad type of policy, and the way it is funded is through socialist means. So I’m describing the G.I. Bill as a ‘socialist/socialized social welfare’ policy, if that makes sense. Isn’t that correct?\n\nI’m not referencing Marxist theory, I’m describing the policy as socialist policy because it literally is that, right? Housing, education, and financial subsidies paid for by the community and intended to allow for some equity for former servicemembers as they adjust to civilian life?\n\nAmericans seem to see the word as a four letter word, but like conservatism and liberalism, it’s one of the many approaches to public policy and many developed countries have adopted some form of socialist policy without completely changing their economic system or government",
"Sure, and those are things that I pay for. But do I live in your house? Eat your food? Then I don't think you can steal from me to pay for those things.",
"If they were drafted, maybe. If they weren't, then I'm not sure that I can agree that it's their government's fault.",
"Given that countries with universal healthcare spend half of what the US does on healthcare per capita I'm more inclined towards gross mismanagement and dereliction of duty.",
"I don't mean to sound like a dick, but I feel that I'm going to come off as one no matter what, so I'm sorry. \n\nBut [words](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism) have meaning. \n\nAlso, you are confusing benefits that service members get while they are active and what they get after they retire.",
"You don’t seem like a dick\n\nYeah exactly so I’m using definition 1 and I think you’re confusing it with def 3\n\nI’m pretty sure I’m not confusing those benefits as well- I’m specifically referring to post service benefits when I refer to the GI bill",
"Any employer is responsible for workplace injuries. That has literally nothing to do with being drafted or not.\n\nBeing injured it battle is the same as being injured at your work due to unsafe circumstances and they should both be compensated accordingly. The severity of the injuries should dictate the size of the compensation.",
"That's not what you said. You said that it's the government's fault that they're disabled. That's very fundamentally different than what you're saying now.",
"I disagree. \n\nIf I get crushed in a machine at my workplace, then my employer is probably at fault for having an unsafe work environment. If a government sends people to foreign countries to fight, then all injuries are on said government.",
"The GI Bill is available to use while still active, by the by, it just doesn't make sense to do so since you get tuition assistance while you're active anyway. \n\nHousing allowance in the gi bill is a fairly new thing, well perhaps 15 years or so now, but it only lasts while you're enrolled and you do have to maintain grades. \n\nAside from that, you don't get any housing benefits. \n\nAside from your pension, medical, and dental, you don't really get any guaranteed benefits. And those are only if you retire. If you don't get to 20yrs, then you get nothing (there is a new retirement system where you can get some benefits earlier, even if you don't retire, but it's new and doesn't affect me). Don't get me wrong, if you make it to retirement, those benefits are very valuable. \n\nAs for socialism, what part of the GI bill exactly involves workers owning the means of production?",
"Every single year, regardless of what side is in power, a federal budget is passed. And yet, in each year, we fail to properly fund the VA.\n\nAnyone who thinks we actually have two parties is a fool. They're all playing for the same team.",
"Are you deliberately misunderstanding the definition? It’s socialized policy in which the government is involved in the regulation and management of resources. The republic is considered the self-governed social institution which promotes the welfare of its citizens. This is at odds with some aspects of our capitalist welfare state, but there are several aspects, like healthcare, social security, and housing in the GI bill and SS programs (and other welfare programs) which are indeed proven socialized ways to manage the welfare state. You seem attached to the Marxist theory definition which explains your reluctance to even utter the word earlier \n\nTax benefits and subsidies for home loans have been included in the bill since its inception, by the by",
"Let's do it over 300 years - then we can really cause a stink",
"Dude you’ve absolutely lost the plot are you applying your brain at all to this conversation? Like how are you managing to operate the keyboard?\n\nThis is the last time I’m replying to you but get your shit together we’re on a thread about doing good stuff for veterans.",
"> Anyone who thinks we actually have two parties is a fool.\n\nAnyone who doesn't understand how the budget gets voted on is an even bigger fool. You can wallow in your nihilism all you want, but when a Canadian is more educated on your own country's legislative procedures, you might want to stop and take a closer look, pal.\n\nBlocking you now. Try to read more, ok?",
"Or that you didn't follow safety procedures. I work at a big home improvement store and every injury while I've been here has been caused by someone doing something that was unsafe. Now, thinking about an organization filled with 18–20yo men, I'm going to assume that it's most likely the soldier's fault. The main exception is active combat. Shit happens in combat and it can be either your enemy's or your leader's fault that combat happens. But that's a known hazard when enlisting.",
"I mean, my point is that money is an issue, even if the inefficiencies were removed.",
"Absolutely.",
"I care about them. I care that their wages' buying power isn't growing because Government spending is causing inflation. \n \nI mourn for what could have been.",
"Lmao \"care about their wages\" ie YOUR wages... Think about actual things people need instead of just money for a god damn second...",
"nah, he came to make us feel good man... before we went to hell. top notch guy imo.,",
"it had to be 2005",
"I was just talking to my friend about this! Here we are with a $400 Trillion military budget and, and, and",
"You seem to be getting hysterical. Poverty is a money problem.",
"What amount is the correct amount?",
"You're a Canadian?\n\nWhy the fuck are you even having this conversation.\n\nI heard Canadians were very polite. Guess they have assholes like every other British Colony. Oh, and before you try to remind me that you are a sovereign nation, you have pictures of the Queen on your money and your army still rides horses.",
"Im getting pissed at people like you having this inhumane attitude. Makes me fucking sick tbh",
"well ..I've just never understood this attitude that veterans are somehoe better than others ..there is no reason they deserve to be first in line ...",
"You hate me. I get it. But you might be wrong anyway. \n \nIf you really care, you will want those afflicted by poverty to stand up and be self-sufficient. If you take away the need to support yourself, eventually the whole system is unfunded. The same philosophy can be applied to the financial sector. Make them solve their own problems otherwise risk isn't priced in. \n \nBecause socialised welfare becomes an ever-expanding slush fund for bleeding hearts and crooks to dig into, and because it is subsidising failure, it leads to perverse incentives. \n \nIt is similar to when we feed animals and they become the worse for it. Does David Attenborough bring a tin of Whiskers® to the Serengeti? \n \nIf you think that is offensive... Everyone and everything operates within an economy. An economy of grassland and water, employment and cost of living, student loans and tuition. The sustainable thing to do is to let it rip. You can teach someone how to play the game well but if you change the rules to favour a class then you are subsidising failure and you have to move the goals further forever. \n \nThankfully if you let it go, it finds equilibrium. Prices are fair. Choices are fair.",
"\"Subsidizing failure\" just stfu already we get it you hate poor people SUPER COOL SUPER BRAVE",
">I'm a veteran \n\nGross.",
"Strangely that excuse doesn't fly when poor kids join a gang and end up robbing a store or stealing a car. But when people willingly sign up to murder foreigners suddenly they just couldn't help it.",
"So these people signed up to go to war... and they just never thought that maybe they could get hurt?",
"I feel like you have never spoken to anyone who is or was in the army. Most of them do not “sign up to go to war”. They have lots of different reasons to join the army. Anyway, I am not in the army, I will never join the army and I hope that if I have children that they do not enlist as a soldier, but this talk is just ridiculous.",
"No I don't. And I worried about my future.",
">Most of them do not “sign up to go to war”. \n\nSo they sign up for the military... during a war... but are then surprised when they're sent to war? So not only are they careless and have no problem harming other for money, they're also incredibly stupid?",
"Okay man. Have it your way. It’s all super simple and all soldiers are apparently morons. Have a nice day.",
"And murderers, don't forget that.",
"No. Why ? Do you have people who eat your food? Or, live in your house, without your permission? How is that possible? Isn't that against the law? I say call the police if it is there. Here, we would never allow such a thing...We make em sleep out in the barn.",
"Yes you're right. Forcing others to take care of you because you are too lazy or unable to do so yourself is wrong.",
"If you are \"UNABLE\" to do so yourself\" how you gonna get anything? Just starve in the streets? I see you are a \"Compasionate Conservative\". The rest dont even pretend to care for anybody but their own selfish selves."
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Gary Sinise, A.K.A. "Lieutenant Dan" from Forrest Gump is about to raise $2 million for wounded veterans on #GivingTuesday
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWIICpRUkX8
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/r/videos/comments/r6459p/nintendos_1993_starfox_alternate_dimension_mystery/
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[
"I hope this video takes off. I would like to learn more, anyone got any ideas or knowledge on this?",
"i used to do this all the time when i was a kid. everything he said in the video is how i remember it. you just got sick of it and rebooted the system i think. there wasn't too much else to it, you just kept shooting paper airplanes.",
"How does the wormhole in the weird flying robot bird not spaghettify your booty?"
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Nintendo's 1993 Starfox Alternate Dimension Mystery
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq7Eki5EZ8o
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/r/videos/comments/r64alw/i_dont_think_he_had_to_twist_any_arms_for_this/
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[
"The white stuff",
"Anyone else notice this was one continuous shot? Love it!",
"I celebrate the mans entire catalog",
"I forgot how incredible this video is. When I saw him live in 2014 he reenacted it but going through the whole backstage area and lobby on video, then up through the crowd and onto the stage",
"I've watched this video a hundred times but I never noticed before now how off Margaret Chos performance is compared to everyone else absolutely crushing it.",
"I just noticed that too. Can you imagine the cost of a retake on a video like that? Just loved the continuous shot.",
"Jack Black is great, but I love Eric Stonestreet's part so much. The swagger, the shuffle step... It's all just perfect.",
"This did nothing to lessen my terrible crush on Aisha Tyler.",
"7 years ago....",
"Al changed outfits, too. He had to get downstairs and completely change clothes to hit his mark. Pretty cool.",
"That building is dope",
"what a talent",
"“New resume printed in comic sans” What a great line. This guy has been delivering this stuff at crazy good quality for 40 years. What a legend.",
"There is a video about the production of this, it was done in 1 shot.",
"They snipped when they were doing the quick pans in doorways... granted there was only a few of them but they're there",
"I'd love to see a Weird Al x Eminem diss track",
"He is a national treasure"
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I don't think he had to twist any arms for this cast and Jack Black twerking!
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r64o04/deleted_by_user/
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"Who cares?",
"Not 20, he looks way closer to his age and doesn’t even get to drink or do drugs.",
"I’d say 38. Imho"
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[deleted by user]
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https://youtu.be/wBLCS46OkYo
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/r/videos/comments/r651mf/metal_gear_solid_4_snake_meets_big_boss/
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[
"\"This is good, isn't it?\"",
"Alright, let's get political. Does MGS promote left wing ideologies, right wing, or both?",
"We Are Fucked!",
"Do not let me hear\nOf the wisdom of old men, but rather of their folly,\nTheir fear of fear and frenzy, their fear of possession,\nOf belonging to another, or to others, or to God.\nThe only wisdom we can hope to acquire\nIs the wisdom of humility: humility is endless.\nT.S. Eliot",
"YES, let's fuckin' DO THIS\n\nOuter heaven, Big Boss, Venom, and those involved with the 'Nation of Soldiers' come off to me as an organized fascist libertarian kind of government to me. We have to assume Outer Heaven is a country, because that's how they speak of themselves. The citizens of Outer Heaven MUST follow the orders of their superiors, Big Boss, Ocelot, whoever, but their lifestyle is basically 'living off the land' by taking jobs for both sides of the Cold War or Independent requests. Outer Heaven isn't a nation where you get to choose your job or live inside without any issues. Your taxes are your service and that service is absolute. So much so that soldiers THANK the Boss for beating them at random. They set up in the ocean, basically bypassing the laws of any territory or country they possibly could by making themselves artificial in the sea unclaimed by any nation. The fact that the game is so forward with these contradictions makes me believe it is critical of both extreme right wing ideology. \n\nThe whole 'ideal' of Outer Heaven being a nation of 'free soldiers' doesn't make sense because it's members have traded one superior that gives them orders for another. In fact, if Portable Ops and Phantom Pain are to be taken at face value, the soldiers in Big Boss' and Venom's Outer Heaven are kidnapped, brain washed, and forced into their ranks by implied torture. [At the end of Phantom Pain it's basically a cult.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2LNl0iklkA) You can also see that there's no representative for Huey in his trial. It's basically a show trial. Hypocrisy is riddled throughout Big Boss' and Venom's journey. Which is why they are the villains. So, in a way, but solidifying them as villains, Kojima is stating that these right wing (Fascism and Libertarianism ideals) are incorrect. Kojima also places the CIA and American interventionism in the greatest of evils in the future games, revealing that the Patriots are a inhuman cabal of algorithms that solely control the world the commerce. \n\n[I would say MGS as a series is very anti-war](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aDZb4fZAeg), which can be seen as left wing. This also comes from a Japanese place of mind which is very reactive to the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings of World War 2. In a lot of Japanese people's minds, nuclear weapons are considered one of mankind's most infamous ills. There are right wing reactionaries wanting a return to Imperial Japan, sure, but I have never really heard about right wing Japanese wanting nukes for themselves. \n\nSo, in my take, I see MGS as very left wing, but it's about making characters who are basically fascists look cool. It's the Starship Troopers effect in a way, the movie being a satire of fascism while playing exclusively in that world with no counter towards the character's world views.",
"Dig this assessment, and wholeheartedly agree. Nice write up.",
"I'd say it's mainly antiwar with mgs2 and 4 having some weird illuminati plotline that could be inteprited as left wing.",
"But at the same time, weren't they right about Huey? Having played the game, my interpretation is that he was guilty of everything they claimed. He murdered his wife, performed tests on his son, sold out the Diamond Dogs, caused the outbreak. And, in classic \"liberal\" fashion, he \"cried out in pain as he struck them\". Further, they didn't kill him - they let him go, only for him to survive (as Kaz predicts), and run to the media - a famously left wing institution, to spread left-wing lies about them.\n\nThere's no doubt that Mother Base is fascist, but is the interpretation a negative one? Their fascism allowed them to remove the negative element of their cohort efficiently. Bureaucracy didn't get in the way of their understanding of the truth nor executing on it.\n\nThis scene in particular paints liberal ideas in probably the worst light in the entire series. Huey is weak, parasitic, and antithetical to everything you'd want in a society."
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Metal Gear Solid 4 - Snake Meets Big Boss
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https://youtu.be/txxfAyZDzQM
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/r/videos/comments/r654ey/a_girl_boss_christmas_christmas_ceo/
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[
"Are you sharing because you like this?",
"Yes",
"ok",
"But in a silly way",
"lol no worries, was just curious",
"My wife and I watch a few of these a week. You know the storyline and you know the outcome. We watch to spot the telltale marks of all Hallmark movies. 1) Big Christmas party/pagent. 2) Quaint business location, usually a bakery or hardware store. 3) Not a rusty or dented car in sight. 4) Money never exchanges hands. All goods and services are free in the spirit of Christmas. 5) High powered character from the city comes home for Christmas and never goes back to the city. I can go on."
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A girl boss Christmas (Christmas CEO)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpONJZNXd6Y
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/r/videos/comments/r659j1/this_video_has_234_dislikes/
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[
"Good riff on the Tom Scott views video",
"Yes, the dislike count does indeed update in close to real time, much like Tom Scott's video on views. Like, as of right now, immediately after posting, it's at 401 dislikes, not 234 like the title said when I first saw it.\n\nAnd for those out of the loop, this is quite big. Ludwig is a livestreamer who holds the record for the most active subscribers on Twitch (*let me know on the wording, it might be a bit funky*). Just *yesterday*, he hopped over from Twitch to stream **exclusively** on YouTube, and this is legitimately one of the first videos he has put out following the announcement. Fucking props to him for putting this out there, instantly highlighting how there are key things that need to change with the site he is now on.",
"This video is a great summary of why YouTube hiding dislikes is a bad thing, while also talking about the importance of negative feedback. I think this is a good video to share with people who want to get caught up with these topics.",
"What are we gonna do ... create another video hosting service? lmao\n\nThis is the sort of shit that happens when a single company holds a near monopoly on an entire industry.",
"Did you know creators can chose to show or hide dislikes?\n\nGo to your video in the channel content tab. Select detail. ( the pencil) go to the bottom of the page. Select see more, continue to the bottom and select “show how many viewers dislike this video” \n\nNow upvote instead of being bullheaded and thinking you know everything 😘\n\nI promise not one of you went into YouTube studio and check as I told you…",
"We all be goin’ to Vimeo. Hop aboard.",
"\\+1 for discourse",
"Or pornhub\n\nFunding non-porn related content there is always a blast",
"Yelp removes tons and tons of bad reviews. Maybe platforms like YouTube and yelp have run their course and it’s time to move on.",
"My man just signed multi-million dollar contract with youtube and day one on the job posts this. Amazing.",
"I can",
"This reads like a professor asked you to write a short critique on a video for class to bump you up a grade.\n\nThat or a bot wrote it.",
"It does sound like both lol. I thought I'd write a quick description for the people that always read the comments first before clicking through to the link.",
"There was a documentary about the reclusive fashion designer Martin Margiela and it’s so fitting and perfect that that’s where it ended up.",
"Need no porn spinoff. Normalhub? Quakerhub? The branding is somewhere in there.",
"My money's on VidHub or something along those lines\n\nEither that, or they ditch the branding altogether to get some distance",
"exactly. youtubes infrastructure is probably worth billions.",
"Correct that is why content creators have the choice of showing the dislike count.\n\nGo to your video in the channel content tab. Select detail. ( the pencil) go to the bottom of the page. Select see more, continue to the bottom and select “show how many viewers dislike this video”",
"He looked dirty after the hair cut.",
"I'm confused. Reading the comments solves the issue still. \n\nIf there's a bad video, people will point it out in the comments. Is scrolling down to read comments that big of a deal?",
"Just as an example, imagine you want to learn how to properly paint indoor wall corners. You find a video and it has 25 likes and 300 dislikes. Immediately you'll know this is probably not the proper way. Most people either disagree or tried it and it didn't work well. Comments can help, but the worst ones can easily be deleted by person who runs the channel.",
"Its like if Amazon only allowed you to put 5 star reviews on a product",
"The only context missing is YouTube's algorithm that's supposed to do the work of sorting unpopular content for you. \n\nNow, I don't personally believe the algorithm is a replacement for dislikes, and I certainly don't think it will function without bias, but that would be the difference between removing dislikes and relying on only positive Yelp reviews.",
"There's also Rumble",
"I also look at how long the video is, because sometimes I don't have time for a 20 minute video.",
"You can delete any and all comments you want on your videos",
"Reddit did this too and look at it now. The spam factor that annoyed everyone, is hundreds of times worse.",
"I wonder what would motivate a creator to hide their dislikes hmmmm...\n\nThe default should be to show dislikes and we'd just use a hidden dislike bar as a bad video but no thats not what they did",
"You could hide dislikes too...",
"But In your scenario if someone is deleting comments (rarely happens), they could've just disabled the comments and the dislikes. Plenty of videos did this.\n\nThis doesn't change much.",
"How do you know it rarely happens if you cannot see it happening?",
"Creators \\*could\\* choose to show or hide dislikes as part of a toggle that showed like/dislike counts, hid them or disabled ratings altogether. (of course, the act of hiding/disabling them was a red flag)\n\nNow dislikes are never publicly visible, which is what the backlash is about. Creators can still see their own videos' dislikes in the backend, but viewers can't see them.",
"Not to mention the boost to misinformation this will cause and users will just waste more time on the platform sorting through shitty videos to find what they want. And wasting more time on the platform sounds pretty good from youtube's point of view..",
"Ben Ludwig stole your idea from tik tok",
"Because anyone who cares about comments like that would just disable them and anyone who cares about dislikes would just hide them.",
"tbh i would just move on to the next similar video",
"You should be going by comments anyways. Some videos are too long to get more money and some comments put a TLDW or give better advice as well.",
"As I was watching lugwigs video, I was thinking to myself “I swear I’ve seen something like this before” and you just gave me the answer thanks!",
"i can see the dislikes, thanks to the 'return youtube dislikes' firefox plugin, and it seems to be basically spot on to what the video states it is currently. :b",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0",
"Spot fucking on. Thanks faptain! Erm I mean, thanks captain!",
"But Yelp doesn’t give a fuck. They know they run a mf cutthroat ad business; where they make their clients compete against each other, and then sells them perks to help them evade product-based competition.\n\nI don’t think that’s how the public, generally speaking, sees YouTube. But I guess it’s a matter of time, if this is really the course.\n\nEdit- autocorrect",
"The trick is to do evil and hire people who complain about said evil so that it seems like you didn't want to do the evil in the first place so that you can continue to do even more evil. This is in line with the motto of \"do as much evil as possible\".",
"YouTube is a case study for new companies when it comes to scalability and high availability. People always talk about social media sites in terms of features but features are kind of easy for the most part. Scale is the actual challenge.",
"Ludwig literally tells you that in his video.",
"YouHub",
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"The one upside is that at least you can still see the ratio. At least on old.reddit.com, and I see the percentage upvotes on the Bacon Reader app. Maybe I'm lucky and happen to use methods that show me the ratio still while most people don't see it (in which case, that sucks just as much as YT hiding negative numbers).",
"Lol found the Google exec",
"MKB made a good point about the whole \"content algorithm\" comparison between YouTube and other social site.\n\nYouTube isn't just a curated feed, it's also one of the world's largest search engines. And when you ignore that massive user base and function of the site, you're going to miss hard on changes like this",
"Yes, obviously reading comment takes way more time than looking a like/dislike ratio. Also how are you going to choose what comments to trust? Their like/dislike ratio? Or maybe read the replies to the comment to be sure. Does that really take so much more time?",
"Rather, it's like Amazon let you put any star reviews but only showed you 4- or 5-star numbers. It'd be like seeing those Amazon products that have 50k 5-star reviews because the company paid off people to get the product for free in return for a 5-star review. The product looks great because of the positive reviews compared to the apparent lack of negativity.",
"You would have been correct previously, but YT made changes to that; now negative numbers are only available to a video's creator, removing the ability to toggle it to the public as they could before. There are currently unofficial workarounds, but they're either temporary or not 100% accurate.",
"It'd be a whole lot less insulting if they didn't use creators as scapegoats. It's one thing to please the governments who regulate them and the brands who pay them but don't then turn around and say it's to protect poor lil creators' delicate feelings.",
"Yes but actively hiding dislike numbers, before, would have seemed suspicious, likely leading people to question the video. Now no one has to look suspicious because the numbers are off automatically. No ability to be suspicious about it even if you wanted to.",
"Youtube is probably not going to reverse this. I know they said removing dislikes was for the protection of creators but i think it is just about control over their platform. Now that users can not easily determine what videos are good or bad users have to trust youtube's recommendations and search results. It is a lot easier to keep people on your platform if all they watch is your recommended content. The algorithm is king. That is why most other platforms switched to recommendation based feeds (facebook/twitter/tiktok) instead of chronological feeds. And also why youtube has been pushing recommendation based feeds instead of the old chronological subscriber feed.\n\nE: comments -> dislikes",
"Really? Shit. Must not have been paying attention.",
"Well, I'm not sure how YT sorts default comments, so it's possible I'll see 10 positive comments before getting to 100 negative. Plus then I'd have to read a representative sample of comments to know the general sentiment. (I know this from running surveys and having read tens of thousands of comments and doing manual sentiment analysis for my job.) While yes it is technically possible, it's much simpler and quicker to just see a like and dislike number and *then* go into the comments to find more detail as to why people upvoted/downvoted the way they did, rather than the reverse. (Also not taking into consideration comments may not always be the viewers' native language. Numbers are relatively universal.)\n\nI get your point, but in short, yes reading comments to get the equivalent information as like and dislike numbers *is* that big of a deal.",
"That's because it's possible to change the title depending of the number of dislikes the video have via a script.",
"if Amazon only had 4 and 5 star ratings, 4 would become the new negative rating. For, you see, your foolish mistake was in giving the customer a choice",
">It completely erodes the trust of the users.\n\nexcept it doesnt matter cuz they have zero competition. where thefuck you gonna go? every ones on youtube, no where else worth talking about. \n\n\nLinus (from Linus Tech Tips) apparently got asked to attend some sort of.. meeting or something regarding this change. something that included him being able to give some creator feedback on it or something.. \n\n\nhe said the feel of the room with the big wigs at youtube was that they had zero concerns about what the overall community thought about the change, it wasnt even on their mind. they dont give a fuck about what the user base wants or thinks, they only care about the one thing that makes a difference which is getting companies to continue to show money at them for ad space. thats it, they dont have to worry about if people are going to watch youtube or not cuz they're going to regardless of shit they change, there are not enough other options and the few other options out there dont have any one posting on it. \n\nyoutube is just going to do whatever the fuck they want.",
"Logwig",
"Their monopoly is crumbling. IIRC last month TikTok had more combined watch time than YouTube.\n\nIt's exactly WHY you see YT make these weird changes. It tries to become more like TikTok. But that won't work because the things it tries to emulate is not why TikTok is popular.",
"Oh, I'm well aware of anchoring in likert scales, and you are not wrong at all. Haha. I'm saying that they give you a 1-5 star rating option but only publicly show the 4 and 5 stars on product pages (hiding the 1-3s from public view).\n\nIn the 5-point survey sphere Top 2 Box (4 and 5 in this case) are regularly referred to as \"Favorable\" and usually what's chosen to be reported to stakeholders. But now I'm just nerding out on surveys. 🤦",
">to remove some pressure from YT\n\nwhat? doesn't this video add more pressure, not remove?",
"Going to keep disliking every video I come across. Thanks to the OP and the creator of this video. Still disliking, because fuck it...doesnt matter anyways, right?",
"I’m giving your comment [REDACTED] stars",
"Reminds me of TV/streaming shows that portray megacorporations as horrifying and villainous, while being funded by a megacorporation. There's also that Black Mirror episode \"[Fifteen Million Merits](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifteen_Million_Merits)\" that sharpens the whole idea down to a fine point. No matter what you do, you end up loving Big Brother.",
"But... why did you call him faptain? You didn't misspeak, you typed that out lol",
"Sooo - seems like it's time to evacuate Youtube. Where do we go next?",
"Yeah, he says in the end how he hopes this will drive the discourse. Where YouTube is concerned; this won’t move the needle one bit for the exact reason you said.\n\nIt’s all about keeping big brands happy.\n\nThe only hope in getting this changed in my opinion rests with YouTube affiliated creators like Ludwig. Like with Where’s the Fair Use; creators need to stay on YouTube’s case, keep their audiences vocal and if possible creators need to use YouTube’s platform against them if given the chance publicly.\n\nBut really; it probably won’t matter because YouTube is a monopoly. It’s my opinion companies really stop giving a shit when they’ve won the adjective war. And God only knows how long people will ‘just YouTube it’ but the sun sure as shit isn’t setting on their empire yet.",
"By default, you'll see top comments first.\n\nIf a video is wrong, the top comment will point out that it's wrong.",
"I'm talking about deleting comments tho.",
"The same way you choose what comments to trust here on Reddit..",
"Lol predictable comment.",
"Sorry, I was responding to the \"You could hide dislikes too...\" part. To go back to the original point, people can still hide comments, which also tends to look suspicious or at least a seeming admission that the video is controversial in the least. Either way, while they were both possible before, they were both at least semi-suspicious moves for a creator to do. Now the creator doesn't have to worry about hiding dislikes/negative data because it does it by default. I'm sure there would be people out there who would be super excited if negative comments also got automatically hidden from the public.",
"You're not wrong in theory, but that's also not a tried and true method. I would bet the \"top\" comment on a video is not necessarily always representative of the sentiment on a video. Going back to your other point, what if the uploader of a video hides comments (whether all or selectively the negative ones, if that's possible)? Then, as far as I'm aware, all your left with is a number of \"Likes\" and that's it.\n\nAgain, I totally understand your point: yes, you can read comments and likely get an idea of how people feel. But is as quick, easy, and accurate as seeing the like to dislike ratio? I don't believe it is.",
"The move on to the next video if comments being hidden looks suspicious.",
"Why would I upvote someone thinking they know everything and being wrong?",
"More information makes for more informed viewers. But Google is not trying to inform you, it's trying to control your behavior. You are cattle to be herded, not peers to be educated.",
"I'm using the 'return youtube dislike' chrome extension and the title of the video [does indeed roughly match](https://i.imgur.com/69afz8j.png)",
"But even the dislikes isn't a good representative of whats in the video. Sometimes people will dislike a video based on something not important to the video at all.\n\nI've seen people dislike informational videos that weren't wrong because the guy was too nervous in front of a camera.",
"I mean, there was a time before youtube. All of the major websites/services of the past also seemed monolithic at the time. Of course there is a lot more revenue behind the big sites/apps today (because of the much larger user base) but I’ve seen things you wouldn’t believe… MySpace on fire off the shoulder of Friendster… I watched AOL dialup glitter in the dark near Prodigy. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.",
"Remove all likes and dislikes all together. Show view statistics instead. How many watched a video in full length and how many skipped the video and at what point. Any other user \"ratings\" are to easy to manipulate.",
"L wig",
"jesus christ are you intentionally missing the point? Let me put it like this. Creators can delete comment or hide like/dislike ratio. But when it's the default function they would look suspicious and average user can see that their video is the odds one out and skip. Now removing dislike make no dislike THE default function, the people who wanted to hide dislike isnt the odds one out anymore to viewers, it's impossible to tell. So before they remove dislike the creator wouldnt have the incentive to delete comments since well users can just look at like and dislike, but they have all the incentive in the world now when the dislike is gone",
"Fair point. I'm not saying comments OR likes/dislikes are going to be 100% reliable. But if they're both equally so, I'd rather have the quick number to go by rather than having to read comments on every video just to get an \"at-a-glance\" view of the sentiment. (I would say overall videos tend to be like and disliked accurately, with obvious exceptions like review bombing and things like that. Just like how people who dislike a video for seemingly irrelevant reasons, they'll just as much comment those same silly reasons.)\n\nI would much rather prefer YT just bring back the number on the dislikes OR, if they're insistent on keeping it hidden, hide the number of likes as well. To your point, in the current state, at least with the comments you have the ability to see both sides of the sentiment\n\nBut hiding only the dislike number to the public is bad (just as hiding only the likes and keeping dislikes would be equally as bad). Show all the data or none of it. YT shouldn't be selectively hiding part of the data set.",
"I'd rather go to comments section.\n\nWhen a video had a lot of dislikes, I always went to the comments section to see why.\n\nJust using the dislikes isn't a good thing.",
"Christ",
"I'm talking about comments tho. Nothing has changed with those when it comes to default option.",
"the fuck you talking about?",
"Tom Scott did it first.",
"I swear nothing triggers me more than watching people hold a lav like this.",
"Computer programming tutorials are now a *fucking* nightmare to navigate. They are often *very* long (30+ minutes) and cover a topic that, for amateurs, is very hard to discern if youre getting *good* advice, *bad* advice or advice that will serve a purpose, but does so in a very inefficient way or one that incurs an obscene amount of technical debt.\n\nIm proficient in C# and Java, but seeing a need for Python and C++ in my near future. Ive had to install the Dislike restore addon and go on a mad binge of adding tutorials to playlists before i lose the easiest way to discern if they are worth my time or not as the API gets deprecated in a couple of weeks.\n\nFucking madness. What would be great is if someone can develop a 3rd party extension that adds dislikes back in and is managed independently of youtube's API so they cant just decide to get rid of it. Seems like a *colossal* piece of work though.",
"Pornhub already teased doing a SFW site but it just isn’t a sustainable business. YouTube doesn’t even really make profit, it just controls information.",
"-1 for lack of snarky comments in the comments",
"I'm sure the cpp is happy about this, uninstall tiktoc",
"You mean on a score based on positive and negative feedback from users?",
"I'd say there's potential, but I think TikTok might need to broaden their strategy a bit first. \n\n\n\n\n\nThe way I see it, YouTube is way more accessible to the general public and makes it quite easy to search for whatever video you want to watch. TikTok on the other hand seems to market themselves to a more specific demographic (mostly Gen Z) and their algorithm makes you settle with whatever comes up on your feed. I've tred getting into it multiple times, but just can't seem to for this reason.",
"The haircut was a downgrade.",
"Nope. Not weird. He references the video specifically at the end of his own video and gives it credit.",
"Youtube started turning a profit a bit ago, just took well over a decade or something. Maybe probably pornhub doesn't have the scale for that. But Amazon sure does. They've already got AWS for even more scaling that Google, and Twitch so they certainly have an entire set of people that know about creator and sponsor partnerships. They've even got their own ad business now.\n\nAnd they're kind of the company that is willing to take a decade plus of losses on a slim profit margin business on the assumption of an overall payday eventually. Slightly baffling why they haven't tried it.",
"Ludwig my man speaking all the facts",
"i am dumb.",
"When did reddit do this? I only use reddit on my phone with an app called \"Rif is fun\". Wasn't always a recursive acronym, but I guess reddit got antsy about protecting their trademark. Anyway, I can still see all the votes like normal / how it was previously. This [comment] (https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r659j1/this_video_has_234_dislikes/hmrhw9h) was at -15 at time of posting.",
"Agreed, just likes and dislikes shouldn't be used without context. But now people can't even be prompted to go the comments by a large dislike number. And not everyone is like you and regularly goes to the comments. So while this may not affect you, it will affect other people.",
"Explains how Shep Smith got to work for Fox News for so long.",
">TV/streaming shows that portray megacorporations as horrifying and villainous, while being funded by a megacorporation.\n\nThe Simpsons are the ne plus uitra of this trope, I'd say.",
"Is that like how the Simpsons constantly shits on Fox for the last 30 years....while being broadcast and funded by fox for 30 years?",
"[OURhub.](https://i.imgur.com/DyhbeA5.png)",
"Why should you implicitly trust the like/dislike ratio? Everything can be brigaded. At least with a comment / review you assess whether you think it's reasonable. For example: \n\n> 1 star - food was terrible, but they wouldn't comp my meal because I'd eaten all of it\n\n versus \n\n> 2 stars - everything was consistently over salted. Tried sending it back, but was still as salty as trump after he lost the election\n\nThe first is probably an average restaurant at least. The second: probably not so much, but it depends how salty you like your food.",
"Hypernormalization",
"Yeah but people would be just as unhappy about it even if they did come out and say \"We're doing this for the corpos. Sorry guys but these people give us their money, so we gotta do what they want.\"",
"I have been publishing videos on YT since 2005 and that was before Google owned YT.\n\nI have rarely had a video get more than a few dislikes and in most cases it was not because of the content but because of bad video quality and recording or sound glitches.\n\nIf a video gets a lot of negative feedback it is a heads up to the publisher to read the comments and try to figure out if there is a problem in their content or editing or something else.\n\nYT changed their whole algorithm to promote clickbait titles and is promoting 1 minute videos and trying to compete with tik tok and that is hurting YT publishers that do more in depth and educational videos.\n\nI think YT is dying out because they are focusing on click through to get advertiser revenue instead of content that attracts a following and a large base of view\n\nGoogle YT also wants publishers to pay them now to promote their content that they are getting free from publishers.\n\nI saw this same thing happen when Google took over Sketchup and that was a fun open source creative design program with lots of free contributions and add-ons and then Google tried making it a cash cow and killed it.",
"What’s the point? In 2 years they will become youtube or become nothing. There’s no benefit in spinning off a normal hub",
"what is this man",
"I mean isn't he showing the flaws of having dislikes visible? If he went by the ratings for that barber he never would have went there, instead he got an average haircut and said he'd go back there in a pinch, if this truly was the worst barber in LA you'd expect much worse no?\n\nDislikes were often used to supress dissenting opinions, sometimes they were even given by people who hadn't even watched the video but simply disagreed with what the video maker had done or said in another video. In these scenarios removing dislikes unrelated to the video is removing bias, and thus adding information.\n\nI'm not saying removing the dislike count is the best option, but each choice has its flaws and it feels disingenuous to ignore them. Maybe they could implement a system where only people who have watched at least half the video could vote, of course this would tank the metrics so there is no way YT would ever do that but it would have been a better solution IMO.",
"Their \"reason\" is such a bullshit argument in every way. To stop harassment campaigns against creators?\n\n1. The button is still there, so groups can still organise a hate-spree.\n\n2. The creator can still see the dislikes, meaning they can still see if they're attacked, so no feelings are spared.\n\nAnd their gradual rollout is a \"perfect\" method as well. I've seen lots of \n\n\"I've lost the dislike count, why?\" \n\n\"It's still there for me, it's probably and error on your end\"\n\nMeaning the backlash won't be coming at one singular moment.",
"YoutHub",
"NotYouTube",
"I think youtube spent every single bit of money left after paying content creators on infrastructure to be completely untouchable. And they may have succeeded.",
"Yes, YouTube sucks ass. But like a lot of the dumb changes they do, [this one can also be, pretty much, reverted.](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/)",
"YouTube has turned a profit for years, a massive profit. Google aren’t running YouTube out of the goodness of their hearts, their making a lot of money.",
"5454 as of this comment. Thought it was fun\n\n&#x200B;\n\nEdit: https://imgur.com/a/EZvoQiP",
"Is that not just using the youtube API still? i use that same extension for Firefox. Its going to become useless in a couple of weeks when youtube/google shut down that endpoint.",
"5488 as of the posting of the comment and proof",
"Download the a add-on for Chrome, it will bring back the feature. It has some quirks but it definitely gives you the idea for the ratio.",
"Yes, he thanks him for inspiring the idea IN THE VIDEO.",
"They're not talking about the sum of all up and down votes. They're talking about seeing the exact count of upvotes and the count of downvotes. When a post has a score of 500 you don't actually know how many downvotes it got (or upvotes), it could for example have 2000 upvotes and 1500 downvotes. On old.reddit.com (the old reddit interface) you are still able to see the ratio of upvotes to downvotes on posts though which is what they are talking about.\n\nEDIT: For those asking for where the upvote/downvote ratio is on old.reddit.com: https://i.imgur.com/FOPPuV4.png",
"ComradeHub",
"I mean I wouldn’t remove dislikes but it’s not that big of a deal imo",
"Fantastic. Thanks. Hopefully it becomes as much of a 'must have' extension like uBlock so it becomes even more accurate.",
"NoHomers",
"Dude BTFO himself",
"Firefox has an extension that allows you to see YouTube dislikes.",
"Yeah, it's a weird system. I've had comments shift up and down through 0 lol\n\nThe worst IMO is that it encourages hive mentality, you see a comment with negative score and you're inclined to downvote it.",
"So I guess we'll need an extension that guesses the dislikes based on upload date, views and likes?",
"Am I the only person that almost never looks at the likes/dislikes unless it's mentioned in the comments? Tutorials are literally the only thing this might be useful for and you can usually tell by either a comment or by hopping around for a minute whether or not it's gonna be useful. Also can't entire communities brigade the like/dislike feature on smaller creators? I haven't heard any convincing arguments for why this is such a big deal.",
"yup can confirm, I use old reddit and Boost and use the ratio on nearly every post I'm unsure about. Reddit would be so much worse without it",
"Taking away dislikes even makes the likes meaningless",
"Pepepains",
"it's a bit different. If you click on a video and it turns out to be shit, then you lose a few minutes of your time. If you buy a product on Amazon and it turns out to be shit, then you lose money",
"Just like how YT did us dirty",
"W ig",
"November is over, you do the math",
"It is to like something, but not",
"I'll just leave this here https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi.",
"So you’re an altruist then",
"I work in the hospitality industry specifically wine. Guess why every wine magazine rates all wines that also have adds in there magazine highly. Guess why those brands stay big brands... (sadly this isnt new)",
"Trying to find tutorials is horrible without being able to see the dislikes.",
"[It's not just chrome, it's firefox, too](https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/) :)",
"Sure but who really looks at the dislikes and decides not to look at the video? If i see a video with an absurd amount of dislikes then its probably worth watching to find out why. Other than that if i see a video i wanna watch im just gonna watch it. Dislikes are just used to brigade shit anyways. They really could get rid of the likes too.",
"Not for corporations, they can make any shitty product look good like Nintendo's NSO expansion pack (which had a whooping 18,000/180,000 dislike ratio) by only showing likes and disabling/deleting comments.\n\nSucks for the consumer though because they will only see positive feedback on products and potentially buy something shitty, making YouTube useless for product reviews.",
"Not utube video",
"Kind of weird that people will get up in arms about a small decision like this, but turn a blind eye towards Pornhub hosting underage content, rape, sex trafficking etc",
"Only until December 13th then no extension will have access to it in the YouTube API though.",
">i can see the dislikes, thanks to the 'return youtube dislikes' firefox plugin,\n\nBoggles my mind that people are so desperate to see dislikes that they have to download dodgy extensions/plug-ins to feed the desire. Maybe YouTube isn't the problem?",
">In these scenarios removing dislikes unrelated to the video is removing bias, and thus adding information.\n\nI agree with you there. But that doesn't fit the YouTube pile-on circle-jerk that happens any time they make minor changes.",
"Didn't watch becuase it seems to be a rip off of a Tom Scott video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0",
"Same but for chrome. That said, I feel like it's only a temporary measure. If YouTube removes dislike counts from their API, we're screwed.",
"Nah they did this as to protect not just brands (and presidents) but to adhere to the worldwide censorship plan going down. If you think reddit is any different you just haven't crossed them yet. Reddit was one of the first to start it along with imgur (where you need a phone number now), now youtube, we see twitter will join them with the new CEO. There are other rising places, but to post them on reddit results in a permaban from the whole site so I won't. But reddit is not what it seems",
"Note this extension will probably stop working as intended after December 13th when Google discontinues access within the YouTube API\n\n> [Developers: If you’re using the YouTube API for dislikes, you will no longer have access to public dislike data beginning on December 13th. Your end users will still be able to view dislike data related to their own content on authenticated API requests. You can apply for an exemption (to have dislike data on non-authenticated calls) as long as you don’t display or share dislike data with your end users.](https://support.google.com/youtube/thread/134791097/update-to-youtube-dislike-counts?hl=en)\n\nThough the extension dev has also answered what will happen after that date: basically the results won't be as accurate\n\n> **What will happen after the YouTube API stops returning the dislike count?**\n\n> [The backend will switch to using a combination of archived dislike stats, estimates extrapolated from extension user data and estimates based on view/like ratios for videos whose dislikes weren't archived and for outdated dislike archives.](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/faq)",
"Did Facebook die out because Instagram and Snapchat came along? We used to get our friend updates in a longer format and now we just get pictures, but Facebook hasn’t gone anywhere. I doubt YouTube is going away just because Vine as a concept is coming back.\n\nYouTube is cash negative afaik and Google doesn’t care because they use it to learn about what people watch. It can continue losing money and it won’t go anywhere.",
"Yup, it’s their response to mass downvote raids. Games, commercials, presidents. \n\nA company can no longer have their trailer/commercial have 90% dislikes. Articles like “___’s trailer has received incredible backlash” or “controversy, video is 95% downvoted” can’t really happen anymore.\n\nIt’s not about joe biden, or rewind 2019 or fuck even getting the full picture on videos. \n\nIt’s about the common folk finding ways to work together and use their own tools to digitally boycott or riot. And what they realized was to take that power away 🤪",
"Just like at my old job where if a customer didn't give us 5 stars on a survey review it impacted us negatively. It could've been a glowing review at 4/5 stars and didn't mean anything to the higher ups because it's not a 5.",
">There is no way YouTube did this for any other reason than protecting brands.\n\nI make videos on YouTube and I'm glad they've done it.\n\nMy opinion, which you might completely disagree with - I want to see the dislikes for my own use, but apart from that it's a fairly useless metric. Random people will always randomly dislike a video soon after I've uploaded it anyway, and people seeing dislikes immediately makes them question the video before they've even started watching it. They might go into the video with a bias, which isn't great.\n\nThey removed the dislike functionality on comments years ago and no one seems to be bothered by that. Just seems like a trend of some YouTubers hopping on the anti-YouTube bandwagon because they know it'll get clicks.",
">Their monopoly is crumbling. IIRC last month TikTok had more combined watch time than YouTube.\n\nYeah, and people said Snapchat and Instagram were going to take YouTube's userbase too, when in reality they're very different.",
"It really isn't.",
"It’s the backend that’s truly amazing.",
"This reminds when Intel didn't have any competition and most of their processors were overpriced and barely made any innovation until AMD came in.",
"Time > Money",
"Reddit is starting to do it too, I just saw a promoted post (googlefi), which literally didn't have a downvote button...",
"I’m thinking we bombard the comment section of the shitty videos with the the word DISLIKE over and over",
"he literally says that video inspired him and he shouted it out in this video [here's a timestamp](https://youtu.be/wpONJZNXd6Y?t=208)",
"I knew I wasn't going to get a lot of love for that opinion",
"Reminds me of the Zero Punctuation quote. \" Being a harsh critic doesn't make one evil, as hard as that may be to accept while running from an American Idol audition in floods of noisy tears. Criticism is a powerful force for good! Nothing ever improves without coming to terms with its flaws.\"",
"Youtube sometimes even adds to this. For example [the 301 video by numberphile](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkhgagvrjI) is perpetually stuck at 301 views.",
"I hope that the constant pressure will bring it back.\n\nRemember, constant right now YT knows enough to let the fire die down, but we cant let it.",
"It’s a stupid move, considering their position, since every company is going to throw money at them regardless. Where else are they going to advertise? If you want your shit seen, it pretty much has to go on YouTube, Facebook, google, and a small handful of other sites. Changing dislikes doesn’t change anything for advertisers. The audience is captured either way.",
"Isn't that basically how reviews for mobile games are these days?\n\nBad reviews get either buried or removed and you are left with almost only 5 star reviews. \nPretty much every game in the store has an above \"average\" score (aka 3).",
"YouTube could shit all over their advertisers and they would still spend money on YouTube. It’s one of the largest user bases on the internet. What are they going to do? Advertise on Vimeo? That’s a tiny fraction of the users. It’s a nonsensical move.",
"evil tom scott",
"How does that app work with new videos?",
"Nothing good would come out of it if everyone switched to a Chinese video hosting service.",
"The fucking gradual rollout is the most infuriating thing I've ever seen. Just face the fucking backlash, assholes. This simple fact is them admitting they're doing something bad for the users.",
"it used to be quite fun because you kinda knew something was good when it had 3000 up votes and only 500 downvotes, but it was also great to see where the controversy was, like then something had 2000 upvotes and 2000 downvotes, and still beign on the front page because it's simply a \"hot topic\"\n\nin the old.reddit you can still see a % of up/down votes, which is kinda nice at least, youtube doesn't have that",
"> this is quite big.\n\nIt's youtube drama. It's not *that* big...",
"Maybe we should just give the creator the option to display it on their videos or not?\n\nKind of like comments?\n\nSo the viewer can decide if they want to watch the video without feedback from the community or not.",
"Other companies should get off their ass and compete then.",
"> What are we gonna do ... create another video hosting service?\n\nYouTube will claim it's an alt-right platform and have it's hosting pulled. Just like whenever any other competitor to a large platform appears.",
"Facebook bought out Instagram for that reason.\n\n\"Instagram The photo-sharing app was acquired by Facebook in 2012 when the app had just 30 million users. Facebook bought the company for $1 billion in cash and stock\"\n\nSnapchat is a niche service used mostly by kids 12-17 and it is in decline.\n\nGoogle has massive expenses with YT because of the amount of server memory each video takes up. That is why they are promoting shorter videos now. They also require 6000 views or more a month to get any revenue to try and discourage people from posting crap videos or family and friend videos.\n\nI have been a YT publisher since the beginning and have watched how it has changed and it is in decline because of the way they changed focus.",
"Shut the fuck up Ludwig.",
"Back in the day, you could see the like/dislike ratio under the video's thumbnail without needing to click on it.",
"I think their appeal is already broad. Word of Mouth spreads quickly.\n\nI am 29 and I, like most of my friends and colleagues have started using TikTok. Something we thought we would never do as we've seen it as that \"Gen Z thing for memes and dancing\". \n\nBut right now, a lot of niche content creators use it. Business, Astrophysics, biohacking and etc. If you're interested in something, no matter how niche it is, there's going to be someone producing that content. Their algorithm is great.",
"Fun fact. A few years ago I had a negative review removed off of Amazon because in it I mentioned that the company tried to get me to do a 5 star review by giving me a giftcard worth more than what I paid for the product.",
"*There's so many things wrong with this. Let's unpack it:*\n\n**If nobody steps up to compete, then don't use YouTube. Nobody is entitled to any good; rather, we ought to be free to pursue our interests as long as it doesn't infringe on others' same basic freedoms (and likewise for them towards you).**\n\nThose freedoms are rights proper. That is, rights are freedoms applied to specific societal contexts; rights are context-specific to society because the concept of rights emerges from the recognition that individuals may initiate force on others and thereby impede others' pursuits of life, happiness, and property. So contrary to popular belief, rights are *not* entitlements, which necessarily initiate force to fulfill because someone must be forced to produce those certain goods. The notion of positive and negative rights are ill-conceived and thus a false dichotomy; the difference between rights as freedoms from initiatory force and rights as entitlements is the difference between liberty and claim rights.\n\n\"Monopolies\" don't impede competition; the only thing that can preclude or unnecessarily impede competition is people being forced against taking steps to compete. FYI: Threats with fines or jail time is a form of force, which isn't bad in of itself; it's bad when the force is initiatory instead of retaliatory.\n\nLobbying is just a form of communication for the purpose of legislative persuasion. The problem is if the government is allowed to initiate force—as opposed to responding to initiatory force with retaliatory force—e.g. prohibiting competition or anyone from engaging with would-be competitors regardless of individual circumstances (taxis lobbying against Uber is an example). Essentially, these legislative initiations of force reverse the principle of innocence until proven guilty: Guilty until proven innocent.\n\nThe essence of political power is force, which is necessary for self-defense and as a deterrent, hence the respective need for police, a military, and objective laws; these are forms of retaliatory force. If the government is not allowed to initiate force and only limited to retaliatory force, lobbying to initiate force (e.g. the aforementioned prohibition of competition or anyone from engaging with would-be competitors) would be outside the scope of politics.\n\nThus, the root problem isn't monopolies or lobbying. It's that people continue to vote for politicians and laws that initiate force.",
"Oh. It's almost like YouTube comments work the same way.",
"I think I read that youtube is planning on removing dislikes from their api in the coming weeks, giving devs time to update their products. So this will only work for a bit :/",
"Had 0 to do with the current administration...",
"Tom scotts video but with dislikes instead of views",
"See kids, this is why you should watch the video or read the article before you comment.",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0",
"Has nothing to do with presidents. The White House doesn't give a shit if a video posted to YouTube gets dislikes. Because they always do, no matter who the president is.\n\nAlso, this is not censorship.",
"> IIRC last month TikTok had more combined watch time than YouTube.\n\nmy grandma has baked over 1000 pies in her lifetime. that statistic is about as relevant as comparing tiktok to youtube.",
"...you don't believe that monopolies can be bad?",
"Youtube isn't just bigger though, Google is bigger. Google is one of the biggest companies in the history of ... companies. Its not Myspace. \n\nYou are correct, things can change, the problem is that now that the internet and social media markets have matured quite a bit... its not the same as it was 20 or 10 years ago. Shaking things up is harder. Stuff like TikTok is succeeding on the back of engaging people that literally didn't exist 20 years ago (mostly). They're not strictly succeeding by engaging people who used to engage with other social media.",
"After which...\n\n>The backend will switch to using a combination of archived dislike stats, **estimates extrapolated from extension user data** and estimates based on view/like ratios for videos whose dislikes weren't archived and for outdated dislike archives.\n\nSo it's effectively like it used to be for anyone using the extension, only the numbers will obviously be lower since only a small fraction of people will use the addon. Regardless, you'll see the ratio of likes/dislikes.",
"The dislike button for youtube comments does not do anything.\n\nIt's not even logged with youtube, it's just saved in a browser cookie (log into youtube on different browser/computer and your dislikes will not be there).\n\nSo no, youtube comments do not work the same way as reddit comments.",
"Lawsuit writes itself.. How about NotUTube",
"Yeah, YouTube being unprofitable is based on decade old data. I wouldn't be surprised if YouTube makes billions in profit/year at this point.",
"The uploader can have the comments set up in such a way that only comments they approve of are displayed.\n\nA video could have a 1000 comments screaming about how bad it is, but users would only be able to see a handful of positive comments, the rest would be hidden. Youtube does not have [deleted] and [removed] for comments so there is no way to tell.\n\nThere is also no way to tell how many dislikes a youtube comment has so trusting a comment section there is useless.",
"Probably because they were never really exposed to it? I used pornhub plenty, and was never aware of any illegal content. They were probably the .1% of videos on the site, and even if you saw them, you wouldn't know unless someone pointed it out.\n\nAlso one bad thing doesn't validate another, in case that wasn't obvious.",
"I mean Pornhub dealt with that like a year ago and no longer hosts any underage content, rape, or anything else you mentioned",
"There is a chrome extension that you can download which will add the dislikes visibility back to YouTube\n\nEdit: Damn, not sure what there is to dislike about what I stated. It’s true and it isn’t malware…maybe you just want to complain and do nothing about it?",
"Comments like these make me think are posted by the companies/YT themselves. Seriously, \"all\" we need to do is, is simply hop on board to another service. The hivemind literally just has to pick one service we can jump to. Why hasn't the hivemind yet?",
"And the profits are only increasing, if 5 ads on a 10 minute video are anything to go by...",
"I would be astounded if companies like Amazon and Microsoft and even Facebook, ones that have huge stakes in meta data and own or can have huge server farms, aren’t working on or have a YouTube like product in the pipeline. \n\nHell even companies that produce the hardware like nvidia or amd or Intel are toying with the idea.\n\nInformation is becoming the new major currency and all these sites do is give and then collect it. \n\nYouTube is taking steps to becoming almost unwatchable with things like this and the amount of ads being forced on videos is actually obscene. You can’t even watch a 10 min video without 1 min of ads at the start, and then they break your video up to put them in the middle. \n\nI hope another video hosting platform comes around soon because competition is always a good thing. Also where there’s money to be had, pretty much inevitable",
"I wonder if it's even that. What would dislikes on a video tell you before? \"Don't watch this video\". If you don't watch a video you don't see ads, which means Youtube makes less money. Youtube likes money, so they hide dislikes to make you watch more videos.",
"YouTube is just afraid of that YouTube Rewind dislike bomb they get every year. \n\nBut seriously, this is how people get trapped in an echo chamber, peddling sub par quality products and services with only their thumbs up to advertise. Some of the best videos are from small creators that have few likes but don't get that popularity that bigger names get. So now we are stuck with people who will recommend trash videos just based on that thumbs up, whether it be legitimate or sarcastic, satire or jest. There's many reasons people will like a video but just a few reasons they will dislike a video, which makes dislikes more valuable as a barometer for quality. No more room for balance in this world, everybody just wants to feel special, even when they churn out trash content.",
"I’ve literally never looked at like dislike ratio to determine if I wanted to watch a video. Not once. \n\nI still think it was stupid to remove it.",
"This reminds me of the dissenter add on that every news outlet collectively lost their absolute shit over, because it allowed people to comment on videos and news articles without being subject to their control.\n\nNever forget, it is in the direct financial interests of these companies to curate what you read, and what opinions you are exposed to.",
"I just argued why they're not! If you disagree, then argue why instead of just repeating your position or [appealing to popularity](https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/logicalfallacies/Appeal-to-Popularity).\n\nMonopolies are no different from any business in that both can only exist insofar that people continue to sustain them with their dollar. If a monopoly ceases to provide a good enough product, people will stop buying from them and thus cease to exist. The principle here is that people trade things, e.g. money for certain products or skilled labor for money, because what they're trading for is more valuable than what they're trading with. A monopoly exists because it provides enough value for enough people more efficiently than competitors (apart from government initiating force against competition or people engaging with competitors, e.g. as what taxis attempted with Uber).\n\nBefore you raise an objection, read my prior comment and this one again because they may have already addressed it.",
"But they have a 3 minute video limit. They can't compete for the same content. I'm not sure I've ever made a song less than 3 minutes long, never mind a mix set, so why would I go to TikTok?",
"Vimeo only has that Heart button though so wouldn't it be the same issue there?\n\nThere isn't much value in the video itself but when I did a quick search and found a video on Vimeo of [Justin Rosenstein](https://vimeo.com/414070364)(Billionaire software developer, co founder of Asana with Dustin Moskovitz(Facebook)) talking about why there's no dislike button on Facebook.",
"Uh, I mean it's pretty relevant. Advertisers use watch time as a metric to gauge the health of an ecosystem when deciding where to place their ads. When you consider how much \"background watching\" people do on YouTube (listening to music, podcasts, playing a 10 hr loop of ambient background noise while they sleep, etc) vs the short active clips of TikTok the fact that TT surpassed YT is telling. That means people are more engaged with the platform.",
"My videos dont even show any likes...",
"You do realize that you never saw the like or dislike count before you clicked on a video. So not sure how any of this would help?",
"Wouldn’t the message of this video be more clear if his haircut was fucked up? Kinda illustrates that the likes n dislikes don’t really matter if you don’t pay attention in the first place which many don’t. For example I’m watching this guys video via Reddit’s platform, I don’t see any of the YouTube data such as likes and I never do unless I’m watching on YouTube",
"HotTub",
"Youtube only turns a profit because it can piggy back off googles massive datacenters, undersea fiber, and cache nodes in pretty much every ISP worldwide. Those things are already built for Google's other services, so getting a bit more capacity in them is very cheap.\n\nWithout that, if they were paying AWS for bandwidth, they'd have *massive* bills, and make huge losses.\n\nAll other video sites have much lower costs because they have far less content (there is waaaay less stuff on netflix than youtube). Less content requires less storage and less transfer (since cache hit rates are much higher, so when you watch Squid Game, your stream is coming from a server situated at your ISP)",
"It's so ironic and hilarious to watch reddit cry about this.",
"It says on the website for the extension that they'll switch to their own database after that",
"YewTewb",
"Protecting brands AND increasing watch time in general.\n\nFinding out if the content is worth your time now takes more effort on your part. Time that the video will spend playing as you do it. More watch time, more ad space to sell. The math is really that simple. Any other argument is just smoke.",
"If it is TRULY for the \"protection\" of smaller creators, make it a customizable feature, like they did when they allowed creators to disable comments. Give the creator the option to remove dislikes from the video so I know to skip it and let the lack of views speak for itself",
"It's the ol' Tom Scott \"this video has [API call] views\".",
"Based on this guy's post history, he also thinks NFTs are a sound business model so the soup of stupidity here appears to run thick.",
"ThouTubeth",
"Top comment on the video is from Channel 5, which also brings up a good point. Profit-over-people, seems to be the thing nowadays, and in more than just YouTube. Amazon, Facebook, Google and many other are completely the same way.",
"> Youtube is probably not going to reverse this.\n\nThey won't. Even after the outcry and hundreds of pages of discussion they never brought back community subtitles.",
"How long until he becomes jaded and realizes Youtube and Twitch have the same bureaucratic nightmare behind them?",
"> If he went by the ratings for that barber he never would have went there, instead he got an average haircut and said he'd go back there in a pinch, if this truly was the worst barber in LA you'd expect much worse no?\n\nRemoving negative feedback is good because it allows you to be borderline-scammed.\n\nThat's a rather hot take. The only way to make that take hotter is to replace 'barber' with 'gigabyte' and haircut with 'power supply' for a truly explosive take.",
"For a moment there I thought he was ripping off the script for one of [Tom Scott's videos](https://youtu.be/BxV14h0kFs0).",
"Based on this guy's comment, he has poor reading comprehension and/or is dishonest by misrepresenting my views.",
"It wasn't just a bad option, it was the worst option. You're thinking about it from the wrong hyper focused narrative. In that example of why it is good, you're helping someone's feelings not get hurt over YouTube drama. \n\nNow look at it from the perspective of everyone else on the planet. Tutorials are useless without seeing downvotes, that's literally a danger to the public. I've seen some awful car repair videos and DIYs that can and do get people killed (tire rotations are a big one). They are always disliked to hell, which tips people off who don't know that something was wrong. Now though they won't know anything at all. And no one is suddenly going to read the comments. They just look at the title, the length of the video, and the likes/dislikes. Weighing those options alone the removal is an awful choice.",
"Big dick toutubers/brands:\n\nInclude like:dislike in the title to every video.",
"So you've never ever heard of a monopoly that was harmful? It's just not a thing to you, you believe that the market will invariably solve it?",
"Vimeo is very restrictive. Basic\n\t\nUpload limit 500MB per week (limited to 10 uploads every 24 hours)\nTotal account size: 5GB \n\nIf you've ever rendered out a 20 minute 4k video you'll know that limit will be hit soon. Also theres no long tail, you can have about 8 videos up there before running out of free space,then you pay. \nPeople who use it seem to be freelance videographers, and art film makers prepared to pay membership fees.\n I suspect their viewership is 0.00000000001% of youtube, they do not want to be youtube.",
"Time = Money",
"Lol, just like we all went to Voat?",
"Open video, see that it's useless, close it out. Don't give it enough time to count as a view",
"To be fair to that guy, having never looked at your other comments, I wasn't really sure that your post wasn't a copypasta. Because it is embarrassing.",
"Yeah it's crazy. The suggested videos over 1 minute have like 4,000 views. But then there are like five suggested videos that are 15 seconds long that all have 100,000 views.",
"Maybe modern Simpsons, but when the Simpsons first started they basically made Fox a legitimate network and a huge player in entertainment after being considered a second-rate company. \n\nMost of the early jokes poking fun at Fox are making fun of the fact that Fox was sort of the laughing stock of the media world before The Simpsons gave the entire station a certain legitimacy it had lacked, and also gave the network one of the most must-see nights in television. \n\nOne of my favorite such versions of this is in the Mr. Plow episode where Homer declares after their Mr. Plow commercial runs late at night on a public access channel: \"It may be on a lousy channel, but The Simpsons are on TV!\"\n\nThey also were making fun of Disney long before they were bought out by them, so I don't really count those jokes either, though they certainly have become more ironic in hindsight.",
">move on\n\nTo what exactly? The options are...?\n\nYeah, that's the problem.",
"Fuck YouTube... it's almost useless now unless you know beforehand what you're watching since you can't tell from the dislikes if it's a \"fake\"/shit video.",
"I sure hope its just an experiment and youtube will understand its a huge mistake for us consumers. we need to see dislikes.",
"If you haven't already get the \"Return youtube dislikes\" google chrome addon.",
"There's *tons* of great content on YouTube. This feels similar to people who hate Instagram and say it's just filled with trash, when really, it's literally just how you curate it and who you follow. Instagram is amazing as well",
"uBlock, SponsorBlock, and now possibly this are needed for the best YouTube experience.",
"No functionality for Edge yet. I'll wait I guess.",
"https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/03/tech/google-youtube-earnings/index.html",
"Yeah, that was the point lol",
"Extensions like these are great. Now we need some mobile solutions tho.",
"Have you tried the chrome extension that let's you see YouTube dislikes?\n\nI haven't yet, but I heard about it yesterday",
"I sure hope a real alternative comes up one of these days. tiktok has a chance to become a real driver for videos and content. I will vote for them to replace youtube even when I hate them, just because youtube is horrible. Youtube: 5 star 100% positive",
"No, start posting the most boring, stupid content, while not coming close to violating any YouTube policy, and coordinate the upvoting on a scale that the entire front page is just dumb, boring content. \n\nHey, watch these 11 videos of people watching paint dry, they are the highest voted videos of the week!",
"I knew Youtube didn't really care about users when they removed the possibility of adding a setlist to another setlist (unless you add every single video at a time), and how nothing works when your setlist has over 100 videos (randomizer only works with first 100, doesn't show and can't remove unavailable videos if they're not in the first 100, etc.)",
"I gave the YouTube app 1 star until they revert this decision.",
"Are you talking about some chrom extension that still lets you see dislikes? It will only count just likes of people with the extension, which I imagine misses a large amount of YouTube content as the people who know about and use such a thing are not the target demographic for like kids toys or whatever other industry. \n\nBut it's nice that someone is trying, can you link the extension that you're talking about?",
"The problem with this is I can see someone uploading a bad video that gets a lot of dislikes and in response to this, turning off the dislikes.",
"I was already watching pornhub for the articles",
">there was a time before youtube\n\ncome on man. Were you there?\nDid you really render a 320 x 240 quicktime, trying every codec to get it under 100 meg. Did you embed the object on your geocities site? Did you rejoice when Macromedia Flash 3 made it easy to embed video into a .swf, and Netscapes bundled plugin allow more than 3% to play it.\n\nBecause that's what we had to do. That's the before time.\nBut Citizens of a comfy empire will resist discomfort. In behavioural economics it's called loss aversion.\n\nCitizens will tolerate a comfy prison more than uncomfortable freedom.",
"We don't need to create another one, people simply need to move to one that already exists. People will not though because Youtube is ingraned too much and they are completely unwilling to accept even a minor decrease in functionality.",
"The dislikes are still available through the youtube API until mid december",
"They could have faked dislike numbers and we would most likely never know.",
"I can't wait for the \"YouTube's that made you feel\" show up on TikTok, like the \"Vines that made you feel\" do on YouTube now",
"There is only ONE reason Youtube has decided to do this: Joe Biden. \nEvery video the White House puts out is disliked exponentially compared to likes. \nAnd since Youtube generally leans Democratic... that's bad for DNC branding.\n\nOne reason!",
"I mean the truth is Tik Tok is just a nicer place for corporations and you get less hate than if you're on Youtube where people are more likely to spend more time on a page they don't like. If you don't like something on Tik Tok, you just swipe away. If you don't like something on youtube, you downvote, read the comments, and maybe write your own about how dumb Kylie Jenner is for a pepsi ad.\n\nI mean in the last year or so, how many corporate youtube channels just turned off all comments? Because the platform hates ads. As soon as Tik Tok reaches that point in the site where every 3rd video is someone selling something or you see an ad every 8 videos, it will turn on the advertisers. It's the cycle.\n\nApp launches, it grows, becomes a hit, everyone loves it, you stop running on investor money and need to become profitable, ads come in.\n\nAnd people will complain, but when you're literally the most used app on people's phones, the server money has to come from somewhere.",
"Well for the next 13 days it'll work just fine, but after that the system by which one can query the YouTube backend to ask for the number of dislikes will be disabled",
"> The creator can still see the dislikes, meaning they can still see if they're attacked, so no feelings are spared.\n\nPublic shaming requires other people to see your shame.\n\nI don't like them removing dislikes either for the record, but this seems obvious to me.",
"This is patently false. I use YouTube for tutorials ALL THE TIME. From how to fix something on my car to how to properly make marinara sauce. By looking at the dislikes you can easily see which tutorials are good and which are shit and might even cause harm if followed. That's just one quick example that I personally use dislikes for, I'm sure there are countless others.",
"Had*",
"He is, he does a shoutout at the end of the video.",
"I don't think I have ever, in all my years of watching youtube, used dislikes as a measure of if I am going to watch something or not. The internet is full of trolls that will dislike things for no reason anyways so its hardly worth using as a viable metric.",
"why is the part where they weren't paying attention upvoted and the part where they own up to it downvoted? classic internet.",
"As much as I think removing the dislike counter is dumb, I think it's ridiculous to call it \"evil.\" I also think it's ridiculous to assume that YouTube did this, signed Ludwig to a massive deal, just to immediately criticize their change as a manipulative ploy on the masses. But what do I know, I'm just some asshole that doesn't care about this circlejerk.",
"[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0) is the video by Tom Scott that he references at the end. Everytime I have seen the video it has been 100% accurate to how many views it has.\n\nAlso Tom Scott and his channel is brilliant.",
"You are annoying",
"I've been hearing this line for years and years and years.",
"Eighth? Reading some of these comments makes me think they weren’t around for web 1.0",
"I’m not saying that what we have now isn’t way better - but I recall that we didn’t have trouble sharing funny videos. A lot of what’s better is possible because of 15 years of advancement in tech and internet speeds, right? There was a need for a better video sharing service and youtube stepped up. But I think had those guys not created it something else would have come around because the need was there.",
"YouTube Rewind notoriously got 10x the dislikes vs likes to the point they stopped making them. Same thing with a previous Superbowl halftime show. They even deleted and re-uploaded the video in order to \"reset\" the likes but failed at trying to make people stop.",
"I don't see that as much of a problem, because like I said if there's no dislikes shown (and probably comments are turned off) I'm probably going to learn to skip it unless I know the creator. \n\nIt would in essence give the viewer not the *same* amount of information as before, but enough information to fix things like the \"tutorial\" problem; a tutorial video without dislikes shown is probably because there's shitty dislike ratio, as there's no other reason to hide it, and thus the video is probably not worth watching. However, for big corporate shitpieces, they can hide it and their board members or whatever other out-of-touch executive who happens to stumble into a video isn't shocked because of the big negative number.",
"You should see mine",
"Some people already used to do this and those controversial videos with the dislikes removed were almost always a red flag.",
"Pornhub...wait",
"🤠Handsome guy 🤠",
"I keep saying it and I've done it a few times, use the feedback button in YouTube itself as well. Having this conversation is great I want dislikes back too but let them know directly they fucked up their platform.",
"I honestly didn't watch it all the way through. Just started to watch the beginning to get the general gist of the video and was like \"hang on a sec\" lol.",
"Also a reason to have 2FA/MFA and really strong account passwords. Those that breach companies (who really need to be held accountable for, or stop collecting/requiring accounts) really want to use all those ID/accounts to sell services like positive feedback for your videos and businesses.",
">you're helping someone's feelings not get hurt over YouTube drama.\r \n\r\n\nThis is more than drama, it can be brigading to push narratives, which is especially dangerous on political topics since the kids who will be watching those videos don't have enough discernment to see past it.\n\nBesides you can see plenty of \"tutorials\" or \"DIY\" that are complete nonsense and are heavily liked, I'm in the medical field so I'm always apalled at how some truly dangerous and/or nonsensical medical advice can have millions of views with almost no dislikes. If you're judging videos by their like/dislike ratios you're often going to get disinformation.",
"He was a huge streamer on Twitch, just signed to stream on YouTube.",
"I've heard of countless *claims* that monopolies are bad, but zero actual arguments or examples corroborating those claims. Most arguments and supposed examples commit the false cause fallacy.\n\nThere's also a psychological factor involved, as clearly exemplified by the comments here: People think that politics is obvious or self-evident when they don't even understand the fundamental concepts that predicate politics; don't try to run before you learn how to walk. Because of their oversimplified view of politics, they lack sincerity and tolerance of disagreement. Do you have an argument or do you just plan to continue making irrelevant, pigeonholing assumptions about *me*?",
"I did.\n\nIt's awesome.",
"Because readers saw a negative score and kept downvoting because that score biased them.",
"That's literally the point, he shouts out Tom at the end.",
"He's a previous Twitch streamer who just presumably signed a large exclusivity deal to switch over to YouTube. I say presumably because he was the biggest streamer on Twitch. So he's not moving from that platform for a small amount of money.\n\nEdit: Okay not literally THE biggest, but one of. Top 10.",
"We call those \"good bots\".",
"So we should remove the downvote button to remove the bias, right?",
"People act like this is something new, they literally got rid of the star rating system because of this, and now this is the next step.",
"How am i going to know if a video is unreliable wtf?",
"After years and years of regularely changing the youtube layout completely randomly and having it universally disliked every time they did it, the last iteration was a critical failure in terms of outrage reached...yes some users even were \"actually ok\" with the last visual updates.\n\nObviously a hard hit after huge successes like the youtube rewind desaster success or the adpocalypse before that. But now...now youtube was struggling to come up with something new that would be universally disliked by users. AND THAT´S WHERE IT HIT THEM! Taking away the ability to hit the dislike button! AMAZING!! Jenkins you are a genius, so many people will dislike that and...they won´t even be able to! Brilliant!\n\nAnd so they did it again. Finding new features so universally disliked by users and then still deciding to shove it into your userbases face despite that is hard work, but youtube proved that they still had it in them. A success story indeed.",
"I always remember the Fox satellite gag",
"I appreciate these references!",
"He doesn't seem to think he's been borderline-scammed though. What I'm saying is that the reviews don't accurately reflect the reality. So if you can't even get an accurate representation of the quality of a barber by its reviews, how can you tell for example that you're getting accurate informations on a political subject by its like/dislike ratio? \n\nIf people use the like/dislike ratio as a criteria of quality then they can easily be manipulated. How often do you hear about businesses or movies or even video games getting fake positive reviews, or being review bombed over some minor issue? They do it because it works.",
"No, you’re right - they are reaching (have reached) too big to fail status. And they have enough money/influence in politics to make sure that they don’t, which is scary. To reply specifically to u/comrade132 - yes, that is exactly what we should do. If we are unhappy, creating a new service is exactly how this should work (which is why net neutrality is so important).\n\nIf enough people are unhappy, they will go elsewhere - but I do think google/youtube is smart enough to only upset people just enough. They have made it worse for content creators and users multiple times through the years (changing how the feed worked, adding the bell, demonetizing creators under 1k subscribers, and now this - I’m sure there are others I haven’t thought of). None of those caused a mass exodus form youtube because they were small, probably deliberate, changes.",
"In behind the laughter homer signs a contract with Rupert Murdoch\n\nHe has to walk Rupert through his own name and Rupert's handwriting is worse than homers\n\nThey've always jabed at fox",
"China scawy!",
"It's a little more relevant than that, though. Google sees that more eyeballs are spent looking at 30 second tiktok videos/IG reels than 10 minute youtube videos now more than ever. Of course they're going to see that as a threat, and eventually start to emulate the model in whatever way they can. That's why there's been a huge push for the 60 second shorts from bigger channels on all social media platforms. Shorts are almost guaranteed to show up on users subscription feeds *way* more than longer videos now because YT knows viewer's attention spans are getting shorter and shorter thanks to their competitors.\n\nThe problem here of course is that most folks don't go to YT for the 60 video experience. They go because it's effectively become the single hub for long form videos now. It's easy content for creators and it's an easy ad spot for YT and a win win for basically everyone except for the user.",
"Videohub",
"More like there was an hour between the posts, they probably both started getting downvoted after the second post",
"When web 2.0 was being talked up I felt like we skipped the V1 release. The version prior to web 2.0 was Version 0.9.12 beta3\n\nGetting video to play on the net with that fucking codec. What was it? ~~Cineon?~~ cinepak! By radius\n\nAnd only people with their computer set up just right could play it . After the 15 minute download. Swf allowed streaming video. It was amazing.",
"dang that's genius",
"I'm still amazed how there wasittle to no uproar from YouTubes decision. Everyone has just sadly accepted it and it really is a bad precedent cause I am sure it's only a matter of time before they implement anything consumer tethered decision. Fuck YouTube, hopefully a competitor comes along sooner than later.",
"so who making the new youtube",
"Haha - I was literally having a discussion with a 9 year old a few hours before (because cell and cable internet was out for some reason) about what life was like in the early days of the internet. \n\nPhysical maps, printed mapquest directions (I still sometimes say mapquest), it being a big deal in the late 90s when a company had a website - commercials would read out the entire “http://www.whatever.com” - and those websites were just for information, not for buying things - buying things online was super sketchy, as was the idea of online dating/meeting someone in person you had met online.",
"Yew!",
"Advertising dollars can go more places than just YouTube. YouTube isn't competing against other video hosting services, they are competing against every other style of advertising.\n\nIf a client isn't happy with YouTube, they shift marketing budgets to other types of ads.",
"So you *love* monopolies, you think they're always totally cool? The \"normal\" position for people who don't care would be that monopolies on non-necessities are fine, whereas monopolies on things like water, power, and food might be awful and should be made illegal.\n\nWe don't run a bunch of different companies water and power and sewer lines, and let you choose between them, the cost of setting those things up makes that very unlikely.",
"[Floatplane](https://www.floatplane.com/discover), by Linus.",
"Way to completely miss the point",
"Top comment, Channel 5 with Andrew Callaghan (awesome channel), says the same thing.",
"YT definitely is more user friendly and easy to access. It's already got the visibility and the app comes with most phones. \n\nBut finding what you want to watch isn't always easy, *at all*. All the site does is offer hits based on a syripped down google search algorithm, you have to have good google-fu to shift through the thousands of similar videos.\n\nUnless you know exactly what video you're looking for, or are looking with a wide margin, it isn't that easy. The UI is very bare bones at the end of the day and starting to get outdated. (And don't even get me started on the mobile app cancer)\n\nTheUI is not being made better *for the user*. It is however constantly being optimized for googles clients. Every update is made with advertisers in mind. This latest decision is no different.",
"Which I find hilarious, because the long form videos were pushed by the YouTube algorithm. There was a sweet time years back where YouTube videos where more often in the one to five minutes long state.",
"\"Return Youtube Dislikes\" is a Google Chrome extension that returns dislikes",
"Who is this person?",
"They 100% did this because brands and especially left leaning news sources were being bombarded with dislikes. \n\nNo other reason. They don’t give a fuck about the user experience.",
"I don't particularly mind longer videos *if it serves a purpose*. I have absolutely zero time for tutorials that spend 10:01 explaining something that could easily be explained in less than 30 seconds just so that they can feed the algorithm what it wants, which has been the norm for way too long.",
"That was over 10 years ago. That's a slow plan.",
"No no, visit for the porn. I know it's not the videos we're talking about, but I'm down to protest.",
"I'm commenting on the general propensity of organizations to allow critique of themselves as a means to alleviate pressure while continuing to do the thing they are critisized about. Whether that's actually going on here is only of virtual importance. The mechanism is baked in to freedom of speech, which is just one of the many aspects of why it is so powerful. The term evil may be a bit overkill and it's more of a play on their former motto.",
"Since nobody is answering the other part, he's famous for doing a stream where every $5 subscriber he gets, he adds time to his streaming clock. He ended up getting an insane amount of subs (the most ever) and streamed 30 days non-stop (yes including while he sleeps) before he called it quits due to there being no end in sight. It was a huge event on twitch.",
"The problem with dislikes or down votes or reviews is brigading, the Internet loves to fuck up a good thing. Biden does a speech, it could be for lowering taxes and making guns sales tax free, the cult will downvote it regardless if it is good or bad. Just like so many others, a business takes a stance on masks, here comes the cult to spam bad reviews. This behavior is why we have issues, people leaving a 1 star review on Amazon because it got broke in shipping are just dumb, people being disingenuous to undermine the system are just programmed cultist sheep and it sucks for us who just want to use things.",
"But I am right. Check out my instructions and go to creator studio",
"Yeah it is kind of anti-consumer/viewer. \n\n\nI used to use the dislike ratio to see if a video was worth my time or not. Now I have no idea and am at the mercy to the algorithms.",
"Let's just go back to eBaum's world",
"I check as I typed this message",
"Protecting brands, media companies and their executives as well as politicians.\n\nThis was done at the behest of the elite to protect them from bad PR.",
"If, as this guy says, the like/dislike buttons are clicked by only a small percentage of viewers, then what value did they ever really have?",
"Yep we need a alternative asap",
"I knew this was a Scott homage of sorts but I just couldn't find it. Thanks for the tip.",
"> except it doesnt matter cuz they have zero competition. where thefuck you gonna go?\n\n[Odysee](https://odysee.com/) seems like a relatively decent up-and-comer. Hopefully it provides actual competition.",
"You feeling embarrassed is *your* problem. Seek therapy.",
"Bro I basically got to where I am in my career because of random foreign dudes doing YouTube tutorials, and I know for a fact I'm not the only one. I don't know if I would have made it here had it not been for the fact that I could EASILY weed out the bad ones. This isn't just \"YouTube drama\". H3H3 talking about Keemstar is YouTube drama. This is a massive blow to the internet, especially for young passionate people who go there to learn.",
"Was he really *the* biggest?",
"That was a very interesting time. There are some finance podcasts I’ve been listening to for a long time and I remember when Twitter, YouTube, Facebook, and instagram all came up every single week about how they were continually struggling to monetize the platform.",
"Nice! I hope they get it over on Firefox soon.",
"Youtube's next move: Allow people to Like AND Dislike a video simultaneously. \n\nFor philosophical consistency...",
"Source? Sounds interesting.",
"When the revenue dries up?",
"Those numbers were fuzzed and weren't true. They got rid of access to it via RES because of it. People thought they were getting upvoted/downvoted more than they were.\n\nReddit never had direct access to upvote/downvote numbers.",
"This annoys me to no end. Like if you really want to be scumbags. Just remove dislikes for brand sponsor content.",
"for me youtube died when creators couldn't swear or talk about serious issues anymore. Now I only watch ltt and a couple other \"industrialized\" creators. But it's not the same thing as it was before.",
"I think using the like/dislike ratio as a proof of expertise is flawed to begin with. How many of the people that liked or disliked knew anything about painting in the first place? This justification always struck me as odd. It's like going to the mall and asking random people how to do something and taking the most common answer as the best way to do it. Nobody would do that because it's dumb, but apply it to youtube and suddenly everybody thinks random people's opinions are good indicators of how accurate the content is.",
"Hi guys! I'm the guy you're passive aggressively insulting. Basically, the video I made it is on file share with just general evidence of my treatment. While I lold and admitted that's a good point. I am loling even more at the fact that you all are neglecting a hostage a situation where people lives are endangered all because of your youtu.be fanship :p. I use youtu.be as well tho...",
"easy way around this: comment dislike on videos and then people like the comment if you dislike. \nor download an extension to your browser to bring the dislike back",
"no. i think he was technically #6 based on the leak of all the twitch streamer earnings a monthish ago. he had record for the most subscribers on twitch tho after a 'subathon' even tho he lost 80% of them after it was over. in terms of consistent viewers he was much lower.\n\nStill. in 30 days he had 270,000+ subscribers and he made $3.50 per sub. He did give a portion of it away but still made a bag on twitch and an even bigger one signing to youtube.",
"Give me a break. I have never decided whether or not to watch a video based on the likes and dislikes. \n\nHiding this information from the users makes it harder for people to manipulate the voting, and forces early users to make up their own minds about whether they like the content, rather than being driven by a few early votes. I know that everyone thinks that their own opinion is not swayed by the voting, but study after study shows that opinions are swayed by the vote count, which is why content creators who want to give their own videos a push with a few early upvotes are upset by YouTube's (and reddit's) policy of hiding early votes.",
"Er, \"it is embarrassing\" means an embarrassment for you, the person who wrote it. Maybe you have [\"poor reading comprehension.\"](https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r659j1/this_video_has_234_dislikes/hmsipy5/)",
"Maybe it's because I've been around since pre-YouTube, but I've never had \"trust\" in YT. I've never regarded it as anything more than a user-generated content site. \n\nI don't like/dislike, I don't subscribe (with 4 exceptions), and I don't comment. Never have. Just like the person in the video stated. \n\nYouTube comments are infamous for being an unreadable, unreliable cesspool of hate and spam, devoid of value. \n\nWhile I agree about the value of information synthesis from likes/dislikes in order to evaluate whether or not to waste time on the content, it's also well documented that such values can be manipulated by individuals willing to use services to do so. \n\nWhen I shop online, I DO use reviews to evaluate. I look at a few 5☆, but then go to the 1☆ reviews and look for detailed criticism. Is the product rated so low due to quality? Same for hotels and restaurants. \n\nYouTube should rollback the change. It benefits no one but their revenue stream (advertising dollars.)",
"Like [I said](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r659j1/this_video_has_234_dislikes/hmshiw1/), \"[b]efore you raise an objection, read my [first] comment and this one again because they may have already addressed it.\"\n\n>[\"Monopolies\" don't impede competition; the only thing that can preclude or unnecessarily impede competition is people being forced against taking steps to compete.](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r659j1/this_video_has_234_dislikes/hmsf10g/)\n\n[...]\n\n>[Lobbying is just a form of communication for the purpose of legislative persuasion. The problem is if the government is allowed to initiate force—as opposed to responding to initiatory force with retaliatory force—e.g. prohibiting competition or anyone from engaging with would-be competitors regardless of individual circumstances (taxis lobbying against Uber is an example).](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r659j1/this_video_has_234_dislikes/hmsf10g/)\n\nYour examples are government-imposed monopolies, enforced by prohibiting competitors. If competitors were not prohibited, monopolies would be incentivized to maintain a high enough standard to maintain their monopoly. The cause of these issues is not monopolies but rather government initiation of force.",
"I immediately begin to discredit something if the creator turned off the comments. Some stuff I get, because I see it a lot when attractive women post something and I'm sure the creeps came out and there's nothing constructive being commented, but if it's an educational video I'm convinced it's garbage",
"Can I get it on my refrigerator? Because YouTube is on my refrigerator... For some reason.\n\nBut not even joking, that's the level of competition they're running against.",
"Right, you're in some \"Market\" cult that assumes monopolies will always be solved. I don't follow your cult religion, and most people wouldn't, so your comments read as nonsense.\n\nI read your comment, it was bad.",
"It just proves what people have been saying for years: YouTube isn’t for users, it’s for corporate sponsors. Google is actively user hostile and is never going to change.",
"I still don't know how anyone can stand not using old.reddit",
"Difference is YouTube is valuable beyond just entertaining, whereas tik tok not so much. I'd rather see tik tok fade away. That's how I know I'm old",
"And with each of those changes, they bank on the \"old guard: users becoming an irrelevant metric through attrition while riding out the transition to become indispensable to a new wave of users who will only know that as the status quo.\n\nThey've done it before over and over. This one is the most damaging, as the OP video subject said, because it eliminates the ability to weed out poor quality content.\n\nSo now, some of us resort to views over time. Which is a crummy evaluator for unknown channels, since a low view count could be due to lack of views for new uploadsm",
"> the title of the video does indeed roughly match\n\nFYI: You can see the exact number of likes and dislikes by hovering over the tiny black bar underneath the estimates. [Like this.](https://imgur.com/RUuwBhJ)",
"Not only brands cos big brands have made their names already and even without YouTube,they will still succeed ... They are also protecting creators and especially the new creators who for no reason are being targets of video dislikes.. There are more reason to this than just protecting brands.",
"That's why I prefer good ol' 4chan. Too offensive to have corporate interests, and no built in echo chamber mechanics or reward mechanisms.",
"No",
"That implies that *you* would feel embarrassed (which implies a level of immaturity). But I am not you and I certainly don't feel embarrassed. Seek therapy to improve your introspective skills.",
"Amazon don’t know how to create good software. They’ve got the infrastructure, but they’re notoriously bad at creating good software. People use it because they have to; it’s the best only option. \n\nI’ve not seen anything suggest they’ve got the design chops to coax millions of teenagers away from a mostly well designed platform standard. That, and Bezos is it a probably happier just take money from all the startups who try and fail to displace YouTube over the next decade.",
"Can I watch one hour deep dives into films on tiktok?",
"Are you kidding I mean this might be some of it , but this means you have to watch 10 times as many videos to find what you want. It's all about ads to me",
"Controlled opposition, or a [\"Limited Hangout.\"](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Limited_hangout)",
"They did this a month before they release YouTube rewind 2021, coincidence? I think not...",
"I find the video limit perfect. YT has a bias towards dragging out videos up to 9-10 minutes due to the algorithm. A lot of it is filler. \n\nIt's like Internet Recipes. I don't give a shit about your sponsors and your history and all that bullcrap. I just want the damn Recipe. And that's why TikTok is great. A lot of videos go straight to the point.",
"Check out Odysee ... it's basically uncensorable",
"This is not necessarily true. I tested it with a friend and the order of the comments was different for both of us accessing the same video at the same time.",
"Again, \"[d]o you have an argument or do you just plan to continue making irrelevant, pigeonholing assumptions about me?\" There's a name for this fallacy: *ad hominem* (and it's false to begin with). So far, you've made one shoddy argument and a bunch of fallacies.\n\nAlso telling: You keep emphasizing *yourself* as an arbiter of truth. Why should I care whether you think my comment was bad? 😆\n\nThis is pretty silly and not worth my time. I'm teaching you how to have a rational discussion moreso than discussing monopolies.",
"Youtube is turning a profit now because Google lit it on fire to warm its toes by the burning corpse. \n\n\nWhich is what we should have expected all along. Did we expect a company like Google to operate the site at a massive loss forever out of some kind of altruistic sense of duty? Never in the history of corporations ever. It was not about to start with Google",
"It is fucked up imo",
"Why don't creators all put something like #BringBackYouTubeDislikes in all of their video titles? Maybe that'll get YouTube's attention.",
"Thought this was going to be a Tom Scott yoink and twist, but it turned out to be a good video about the current state of youtube!",
"I'm sorry that you still don't understand, I was saying that you should feel bad for writing something that is very dumb. You should feel bad - hopefully \"bad\" makes you get it - I was never feeling embarrassed for trying to explain normal things to some guy online. I should have felt it, but I already knew what I was doing, so that's that.",
"Honestly, think big picture. A lot of people on the Internet are just mindless zombies. They don’t think, they react to the very first thing that they see. Oh, some downvotes? Better downvote more without even watching the video, or reading the comment, or listening to the song etc.\n\nThe biggest complaint I’ve seen is that you can’t tell if a tutorial is shit or not. What’s the solution to not having the downvote to gauge user opinion on something like that? Actually watching the video, or reading the comments i.e actively engaging with the media instead of passively pressing a button and moving onto the next thing.",
"Didn’t Tom Scott do this first?",
"On the other hand, I've decided whether or not to watch a video based on likes/dislikes numerous times. \n\nFor entertainment type content, I get it to an extent, sure, hide the dislikes. But for tutorials, seeing dislikes is great. I don't want to sift through the comments for 7 tutorial videos until I find the one that works, there are way too many tutorials for things that either don't work, work, but not as the title/description advertise, or are too unclear. Seeing that the video has overwhelming dislikes is an easy, immediate, \"okay not this video\" signifier for me in that aspect. \n\nThere's times where these videos have thousands of views, but the tutorial is dead wrong, so view count isn't anything to go by either. \n\nI feel as though there's a happy medium, maybe videos dislikes are hidden until a certain view count, whether that be a flat number, or some number based on channel size, etc",
"What’s wrong with it?",
"Really?\n\nI can usually tell pretty quickly, and then I might notice dislikes to confirm that information. \n\nAccording to YT likes and dislikes did not have significant impact on average viewer behavior.\n\nThe only thing that bothered me about this change is YT said they did the research but then did not bother sharing the data with us. \nI am sure some people would have just claimed YT faked the data if they did not like the results but I still would have liked to have seen it for myself.",
"Normhub",
"Where all the content was stolen?",
"[here](https://www.reddit.com/user/sociallyawkwardbmx/comments/r6g5xj/creators_have_the_choice/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)",
"Or reviews! Can’t see if they are fake. But you find out after watching the ad, that’s the whole point.",
"Your lack of self-awareness is staggering.",
"LBRY/Odysee seems like a great option, though not a lot of \"regular\" youtubers post there, mostly Tech, Linux and OSS fanatics. And it can be a bit slow to load videos at times.\n\nBut if people were to transition over I think it would be a great replacement for youtube.\n\nThough this argument is much like the \"Year of the Linux Desktop\" argument, where we need more people to switch to get support, but people won't switch because of the lack of support.\n\nExamples of the youtubers that I personally watch/have watched in the past that also crosspost to Odysee is: SomeOrdinaryGamers, Brodie Robertson, Luke Smith, TheLinuxGamer, DistroTube.\n\nI am sure there are more quality content creators on there, but not many that I personally watch. I mainly watch content creators on youtube because of this.",
"It's baffling to me that this guy thinks he's so smart, but can't realise the most basic fact of, essentially, emotional economics: that if you make \"positive affirmation\" so easy that it becomes utterly, unthinkingly trivial, and homogenise it so it comes in the literal exact same form every time, its value also reduces down to zero. \n\nEven taking him at his word that this was his intention, one person commenting \"I like this!\" on a wall is worth eight billion people clicking a Like button, because the eight billion people clicking a like button is an aggregate statistic that has no human meaning. \"I like this!\" required someone to go out of their way, to take an effort to express their appreciation. (And no, you can't just wire the Like button up to add an \"I like this!\" comment, you damned fool, the effort is what matters.)\n\nThis man saw that positivity was happening, organically, on his platform, and spent his fucking Hackathon time *engineering it out*.",
"Thats just a silly statement. Not only because some amount of time will always be equivilent to some amount of money, but also because a bad purchase costs time as well as money. You had to find the product, make the purchase, wait for it to arrive, open it, attempt to use it, realise it doesn't work as intended or as needed and then ultimately you have to spend more time resolving whatever issue you bought the item for to begin with.",
"They also did it for their covid videos. The CDC videos stickied on the front page of YouTube always have 90%+ dislikes. They are worried about misinformation.",
"That just means it becomes an echo chamber of people who would be kicked off other sites.",
"This post has 14.1k upvotes.",
"I listen to loads of music though. Commonly while I work, I will select 1 hour + long mixes to zone out on. These are mostly electronic mixes which means each song will almost never be under five minutes nevermind three. It also lends itself to late shows and things like SNL which need more than three minutes even in clip form. I do get what you mean about getting to the point, hence SNL clips are much better than watching it live. It hits differently and drags on when on cable.",
"Well you can already turn off like/dislike per video, some videos already do this by default. Sure you loose Likes but if you have a 90% dislike people do it anyway. So that isn't new.",
"What is \"ads\"? \n\nSincerely, \nMy Adblocker",
"Are the dislikes still available to the frontend? I'm not sure why they would disable them, but still pipe that shit up. Even if that addon works, it won't for long unless everybody uses it and it collects its own data.",
"YouTube said they did a lot of testing to make this decision. You have to understand what they're optimizing for. I'm guessing their primary metric is watch time and they're probably looking at ad revenue too. I wouldn't be surprised if removing dislikes increased both watch time and ad revenue, despite being a worse user experience. It's a common issue in tech where iterative decisions increase metrics but your site as a whole is dying a death by a thousand papercuts. \n\nSometimes you have to ignore the data or even increased revenue and do what feels right in your gut. Good luck doing that in a corporate data-driven bureaucracy though.",
"Youtube was fine before Google bought it. It was 10% better than Daily Motion but that was all.\n\nDaily Motion started the same year ( YouTube Feb 2005, DailyMotion March 2005) and was equivalent for a long time. It still exists in an impoverished state representative of the difference in investment. Youtubes founders being american it was already in a VC system, it was an easier buy.\n\nAlso, DailyMotion's name meaning \"poop\" probably didn't help their market value.",
"GrubHub",
"TheHub",
"facebook video was a huge push already, so much that they lied about their video stats and tons of advertisers jumped over to FB and it turned out they weren't getting even a fraction of what FB said they were getting",
"[https://returnyoutubedislike.com/](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/) try this extension. It will reveal the dislikes again!",
"ludwig7",
"Yuck.",
"I don’t see this dudes name anywhere, so I still have no idea who he is",
"He did break the record for getting the most subs, though.",
"https://odysee.com/\n\nsupposed to be p2p",
"Check out Lbry and soon Theta",
"dislikes are now not viewable by viewers. Yes there is still an option that says \"have likes/dislikes viewable\" instead of just \"have likes viewable\" but it doesn't change the fact that dislikes are still not viewable by viewers. Youtube themselves announce the change a few months ago and it has been met with backlash from pretty much every content creator and the community since it went live. You are not right, you are not some special youtube savant who knows more about youtube then literally the entire rest of the world and found the option that you clearly think everyone, including people who live off of making videos are too dumb to find. \n\nSo again, please tell me why i would upvote someone who thinks they know everything and are wrong?",
"I rest my case.",
"YouTube and Google were started in people's garages. Why hasn't any real competition ever come to take even a small percentage of that user base?",
"There is a chrome extension called Return Youtube Dislike btw.... immediately does exactly what it says:\n\nhttps://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi",
"Ive seen tutorials that otherwise seem perfectly fine and well produced end up being actively harmful and reckless. Like, lethally dangerous at times when they involve power tools and stuff.\n\nLikewise Ive seen hypercam tutorials with jank ass setups give great advice.",
"lmao i thought it was Veritasium",
"Remember RealPlayer? And the nightmare of trying to actually *stream* something at like 240p over dial-up? First season of Big Brother had live cameras you could stream...but you really couldn't, and when it worked, it was a pixelated mess that wasn't worth it.",
"That database is just going to show archived amounts though, so it wont have much use unless you really need to see the dislike on old videos. New videos won't get any values, even if they implement their own it'd just be data from people who have it installed which will be tiny as a large portion use phones, tablets, etc.",
"If you say so. But as someone there I don't see it. Every thread is everyone calling everyone a moron.",
"At one point he was the most subscribed iirc. But he was #6 so pretty big regardless",
"I guess I’m blind could you just tell me his name?",
"Didn't we all try to do this around the ad pocalypse? They're too big to fail because they'll always have their own native support. Google owning YouTube is I think one of the biggest issues that makes it so big and powerful as a hosting site.",
"I said your post was embarrassing, you said it was juvenile for me to feel embarrassed, I told you that my words obviously were about how *you* should feel embarrassed, and you still claim you do not understand words. Okay.",
"Yep.\nAnyone who says the internet played videos OK prior to 2004 is in dreamland. It was realplayer hell. I fucking hated that thing. And realplayer was storming it because QT Cinepak was the alternative and it just didn't work.",
"Ludwig is right",
"I used to browse and had to leave for my own mental health. You're free to do whatever but my personal experience was basically a nonstop flood of things that'd get you banned most anywhere else.\n\nIt's still an echo chamber, just one of a different style.",
"Ok it's not fucked up, but its flawed. The left side of his fade is very different than his right side, and his bangs look pretty choppy",
"Not me...I usually never noticed dislikes right away and not until after I realized something was wrong, so never really used dislikes without at least some viewing.\n\nAlso if something is lethally dangerous I would not dislike that vid I would report it.",
"Thank God for AMD. Ryzen 5 3600 came out 2 years ago at $249. A year later Intel launched i3 10100f for **$120** that outperformed it.\n\nIt's unbelievable how affordable great CPUs are nowadays. In 2016 I paid fucking $250 for a 3 year old i5 4440.",
"Totally agree! I take Lyft a lot, and sorry drivers, sometimes you were like a 3? Talking too much about politics, getting lost, no mask.. \n\nI think I fall into the same trap, because a driver is either a 5 or a 3.",
"Yes",
"Sheesh, I forgot how critical people are of other peoples affairs. We’re doomed via our egos",
"To give YT the benefit of doubt. I’ve seen every News video that report the vaccine get ratio with downvotes by misinformed groups",
">we need more people to switch to get support, but people won't switch because of the lack of support\n\nVery much a crux of the issue, a bit chicken/egg as well. The consumer will go where the content is but the producers will go where the most users are. Right now both of those things is youtube by margins that seem insurmountable.",
">chrome extension that let's you see YouTube dislikes\n\n[https://www.pcmag.com/news/browser-extension-brings-back-dislike-count-to-youtube-videos](https://www.pcmag.com/news/browser-extension-brings-back-dislike-count-to-youtube-videos)\n\n\"The extension is able to pull the dislike count by accessing Google’s own YouTube API, which opens third-party access to the video platform. So you should see accurate dislike counts, not just an estimate. \nThe bad news is that Google plans on shutting down the API on Dec. 13. As a result, Selivanov has been archiving dislike counts for various videos across the platform. Once the API goes offline, the extension will “switch to using a combination of archived dislike stats, estimates extrapolated from extension user data and estimates based on view/like ratios for videos whose dislikes weren't archived and for outdated dislike archives,” the FAQ for the extension says. \"",
"He has stated that he doesn't expect yt to.listen to him more than twitch. According to him it was a last minute decision when he told yt he was gonna choose twitch, they still fought to have him while twitch said nothing when he went to them after and said he decided on yt",
"I'll be honest, I only actually see the likes/dislikes of youtube videos when they are the actual subject of the video. Otherwise, I never so much as glance at them because they seem almost meaningless due to how little effort is required.\n\nI absolutely do not view them the same way I view product reviews.",
"I downloaded the extension that shows dislikes on youtube, and I see 8.4k dislikes... I don't get it.",
"Dunno what to tell you mate, other than that most people arent as ignorant to dislikes as you and it mightve helped you in the past if you paid attention to them.",
"Who the fuck cares let streamers die",
"Fuck pornhub. They're worse than youtube. They removed over 80% of their videos due to a credit card company getting scared of some weirdo evangelicals.",
"I don't really watch videos that I dislike anyways so probably won't affect me either way. Unless I'm going to a video to hate on it. Surprisingly that rarely happens",
"Ad-Blocker don’t reach the Xbox, tv, or phone app.",
"You say on reddit.",
"Ludwig.",
"I think it's more so that people are much less likely to watch a video with lots of dislikes which means less watch time which means less time spent on their site and less they can advertise to them. if brands didn't want dislikes they could just turn them off.",
"Very different websites. Reddit is social media that does not claim to own the content posted on it. Ebaum's world was not that.",
"I know a lot of people say that but according to the research YT did that was not the case.\n\nWhich lines up with my experience.\n\nBut like I said still think they should have shared that data.",
"> estimates based on view/like ratios \n\nAny data to prove that this is sound?",
"YouTube (and Google, by extension) needs competition, and soon.",
"Vimeo, or any other video service right now that isn't Youtube, simply doesn't have the capacity to handle as many uploads as Youtube gets daily. Youtube is by far the largest video service, nothing else even comes close. ~720,000 HOURS of video uploaded every single day. That's the real problem. The barrier to entry is so high it seems insurmountable.",
"Didn’t he just hop over to YouTube Gaming…..?",
"Do not cite the deep magic to me, witch. I was there when it was written.",
"Who is MKB? \n\nI never said the algorithm was a good thing. Just that the comparison in the video was missing that.",
"*...Buffering...*\n\nJesus I learned to hate that fucking word.",
"It's like Reddit if reddit only showed positive votes, wait a minute....",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCu8-aCSZbE\n\nTo be fair, he was pretty famous in many streaming circles before this, but the subathon made him the biggest streamer of all time.",
"People pay $20 for cutting their hairs in U.S.?",
"Not just juvenile; also petty.",
"Yep it's actually showing the same general # of dislikes as the title. (right now the title for me shows \"This video has 8621 dislikes\" and the addon makes Youtube display \"8.6k dislikes\". Probably updates around the same frequency.",
"Has anyone else found themselves more hesitant to spend time on Youtube after they removed the dislike button? I just can't tell if a video is going to be worth my time anymore",
"No, they do not",
"This won't work on new videos though",
"> they probably both started getting downvoted after the second post\n\nAnd why exactly would they only start getting downvotes after that second comment? They were only downvoted once a person in the comments revealed that Tom Scott was mentioned in the video, meaning that those downvoters didn't know this from when the first guy initially made the comment. So the downvoters didn't watch the video fully either and are now downvoting the guy for that exact thing.",
"Are you saying that any majority opinion is a sort of echo chamber? I would've assumed that allowing dissent in all forms is what makes something not an echo chamber (and as a leftist on /pol/ for 10+ years, I haven't had any issues)",
"First they started with the 2 ads, then they removed dislikes, what’s the next step between what we have now and a paid membership ?",
"Yay, no more triggered comments over \"HOW DOES THIS VIDEO HAVE DISLIKES\" \\s",
"This video is a just a rip off of this video by Tom Scott\n\nhttps://youtu.be/BxV14h0kFs0",
"No idea, EricTheCummies. Erm I mean, no idea, EricThePooh.",
"don't engage with those promoted posts in any way",
"even disliking them?",
"Stop sucking the teat of global megacorps, my guy.",
"If we don't comment and vote they will change back. Youtube wants and needs engagement. If we don't give that to them any more they will change back. The thing is it will be hard to get enough people to do that to matter.",
"Majority opinion in a place that attracts a specific type of person is not a true majority opinion. The assumption of being a true majority opinion when it is not is exactly what an echo chamber is, even more insidious in this case because it doesn't look like what an echo chamber is assumed to look like.\n\nMajority opinion of something on Tumblr is going to be very different from one on Parler. Extreme examples of course but it helps exemplify my point.",
"The entire tech industry just runs on fabricated numbers, entirely due to the fact that its all so speculative. Netflix likes to release absolutely insane watch-counts for their different shows (the most egregious one was queens gambit which they placed at 62m views after 28 days from release), with absolutely nothing backing those numbers up purely so they look good for investors. \n\nPretty much all tech companies operate at a loss, but are kept alive by investor money. The hope was that adsense could turn into a viable income-stream, but that has pretty much failed. I also sincerely doubt that the \"ads clicked\" numbers are real and not similarly inflated",
"Ah yes, the Cliffs of Dover.",
"Interestingly enough with Web 3.0 in our immediate future, the way we watch videos might start to slowly change.",
"He even talks like Tom Scott lol",
"Brands and of course themselves. It’s no coincidence that the most disliked video of all time on YouTube was their own Rewind video. Couple that with probably other major brands and creators complaining about their videos getting review bombed(movie trailers, music videos, etc.) and it’s fucking obvious why this is a thing. \n\nIt has absolutely nothing to do with smaller creators or protecting anyone. \n\nIt also plays into algorithm shit. Viewers aren’t going to watch a video with a massive amount of dislikes and now YouTube can spam your feed with more videos that are trending because of interaction(regardless of why). Think Twitter and it’s trending topics.",
"Agreed about big brands but y’all really gunna act like the internet doesn’t cater really fucking hard to conservatives. This benefits them too.",
"This reminds me of when reddit removed the ability to see the total amount of upvotes/downvotes instead of just the net score.\n\nFor a short while after, if I recall correctly, I think RES did the same kind of estimation.",
"Just wanted to add, very disconnected from the main point, but he mentioned Yelp, and they absolutley do hide bad reviews and good reviews, DEPENDING ON IF YOU PAY THEM ENOUGH. I worked at small businesses 5 of the past 7 years, and each one hated yelp cuz they would make certain reviews \"not recommended\" at first it was most of our 5 star reviews. Contacted yelp about it, they said we could pay to boost and have \"more involved marketing\" pay them a couple hundred bucks, suddenly our \"not recommend\" reviews are the couple of 2 and 1 star ones.\n\n It's a lazy scams to help people who make them the most money. This is just them being less transparent. Both yelp and youtube.",
"There is an important lack of information here regarding people and how they work\n\nPeople are far far far more likely to leave a shit instant 1/5 or 1/10 review for something when they did t like it. They are far too lazy and too stupid to usually pick the real feelings and just shoot for 1 star things or 5 star things. Rating systems are stupid and people are shity or overly nice. However, it's not the same with YouTube.\n\n It's a up it down. Like or dislike. It's easier here. They don't need to think of a long reply as to why they picked 1 2 or 3 out of 5. It's yes or no. Sure, some things get bomb brigaded, especially when twitch person says to hit someone they don't like and their rabid shit fans go and do it. But it's not common enough to justify the removal.\n\nBut getting a hair cut at the \"worst place\" is another YouTube trend of its own. People eat at the \"worst place\" and find it's. Either true ish or bullshit because the types of people who leave reviews on Yelp or whatever tend to be asshats. \n\nThe amount of times Ive seen 1/5 for a local restaurant only to see the review is like \"there was a staple in my food\". Is embarrassing. Now you'de think \"ok but that's bad. There shouldn't be a staple. I can't believe you\" but then if you thought even for a moment you're realize.... It's the user error. The staple closed the bag...and they let it drop into their own food like an idiot.",
"So long as the same number of people keep watching videos they're just going to ignore it. Why would they care about a few protests if it's not hurting their bottom line?\n\nThe ONLY way they're going to listen is if they face actual consequences, a massive boycott. Nothing short of that is going to make them budge even an inch.",
"Return YouTube Dislike\nOffered by: returnyoutubedislike.com\n\nfor chrome plugin",
"I wonder what might be the best way to do this after the 13th (assuming YT doesn't backpaddle). Are the downvotes still in a part of the API only creators can access? Would it be possible for creators to sign up for a service that crawls the downvotes through their creator API and publish it via that?",
"He was big but absolutely not the biggest.",
"This doesn’t benefit anyone. \n\nIdk about you but I’ve watched videos both from Fox News and CNN to everything in between and the amount of dislikes *anything* left leaning compared to right leaning was very obvious. \n\nI knew something like this would happen and as soon as I saw they were going to remove dislikes my first thought was because of this. But hey maybe I’m just full of shit and I’m making all this up. It doesn’t matter now because we can’t go back and look.",
"Wait, they got rid of comments too?",
"prob top 5 where the waters are muddied and weekly viewercounts can double",
"Regardless of all you said, I still stand by my statement, that time > money, in general.\n\nI wasn't trying to say losing money isn't bad, I was simply disproving the idea that the example was *different*, that losing time isn't bad. Because it is (in both cases).\n\nUnless you're living paycheck to paycheck, to me, if you gave me the choice between losing 100 bucks and losing the next 8 hours of my life, I'd be pissed, but say goodbye to the 100 bucks, and happily live the next 8 hours. And the more you up these numbers, the truer it becomes.",
"First, I am pointing out my experience and why I don't particularly care if dislikes are gone.\n\nSecond, if it is \"sucking the teat of global megacorps\" bc I reserve further judgement without data...then that is fine by me.\n\nAnd finally, I am actually criticizing YT for not sharing that data in my previous post.",
"Let me introduce you to [Pi-Hole.](https://privacyinternational.org/guide-step/4341/raspberry-pi-setup-and-run-pi-hole) More work to set up, but just eradicates ads from your home network.\n\nEdit: Turns out it's no longer as good as it was, as /u/FgtBruceCockstar2008 pointed out Youtube serves ads from the same host, but a cursory search shows a lot of other content providers are doing the same. Will still get rid of a lot, but if it's your only ad-blocker it won't work perfectly.",
"Not yet comrade! The world isn’t ready.",
"Last time I tried pihole it locked all YouTube videos as they serve the ads from the same host now.",
"> One of my favorite such versions of this is in the Mr. Plow episode where Homer declares after their Mr. Plow commercial runs late at night on a public access channel: \"It may be on a lousy channel, but The Simpsons are on TV!\"\n\nLisa: You're half-brothers with Luke Perry? He's a big TV star!\n\nKrusty: Yeah.. on FOX *grimace*",
"Go ahead throw your vote away!",
"Is that good or bad?",
"You are putting way too much thought into it. The simple answer is they do not care. They know there are no other options other than YouTube, so they can do whatever they want and no one can do a thing about it.",
"I understand the argument against removing dislikes, but seeing all the outrage, I also feel like I'm the only person in the world who never clicked those buttons-- ever.",
"So, what is another video platform option for a site that reports numbers of likes/dislikes to the viewer?",
"I'm I the only one who hasn't lost the dislike button?",
"https://youtu.be/VXH-SenwtEY",
"What's crazy is Vimeo had 720p HD before YouTube did. \n\nThey were incredibly innovative back in the day, then just stagnated and regressed.",
"NoBoners",
"advertisement",
"So, I worked on a multiplayer mobile game. We started with a ping system that had ways to signal both good and bad, yes and no. No matter how much we wanted to believe the users would use them appropriately, they were basically just used to harass and annoy. Bit by bit we removed any clearly “negative” pings, but it just turned into an arms race. The user base would always repurpose some ping as the new “F*** you” or find some new way to poke at each other.\n\nI doubt very much this is brand protection or “make more money” vibes. I’d be willing to believe they’re just trying to deal with creators telling YouTube that people are mean to them. I’m sure they get that feedback a lot, and have forever.\n\nBut it’s an arms race. Life finds a way to shit on things.",
"Ludwig Ahgren, he’s famous because he’s not your friend.",
"They don’t care. There is no competition. The conversation pretty much ends there.",
"Fuck YouTube, all my homies hate YouTube",
"I wish we had another competing platform. Monopolies suck for comsumers",
"Like how we learned this lesson with an online messaging service with few options.\n\n\n*cough* Facebook *cough*",
"yeah - it counts as engagement either way, which probably serves into their algorithm in some way.",
"They are removing it from the API in a couple of weeks.",
"Google has their own cloud provider services as well. AWS has the largest market share last time I checked, but there are a lot of competitors now between MS Azure, Google Cloud, IBM, etc...",
"Yea. I came to controversial for this opinion. I never cared much for the like/dislike button. Imo i always felt it was easily manipulated. And that the only people that even use that button are rapid fans of the content or miserable cunts wanting to take down something they don’t like. Maybe its an age thing. (Im an old millenial.)\n\nPlus a video is easily able to be scrubbed through and judged by ourselves. I don’t really need someone elses opinion on something i can literally experience right then and there. \n\nUnlike products im thinking about buying. I don’t have the ability to see for myself if its good.",
"are those videos actually getting a lot of views?",
"I am guessing he's the $30 million dollar contract that Disguised Toast was talking about.",
">features are kind of easy for the most part.\n\nThen why does every single streaming video player on the internet suck compared to Youtube?",
"There are browser extensions available now that bring back the dislike count and ratio bar.",
"Don't know who you are quoting bc I did not say that.\n\nI said I am reserving judgment BEFORE we have data, not after the fact.\n\nI mean sure it is easy to say \"asbestos is bad\" after the fact...but even if you somehow magically knew that before the data you would still have a hard time convincing people without the data so...I mean what is the point you were trying to prove with that strawman?",
"I’m in my mid 30s and I think Tiktok is more than just entertaining. It has informative takes on various topics that are a lot more responsive to modern issues than the 10 min production events YouTubers seem to target. You can learn surface level about different topics you didn’t even think about before and then go deeper on YouTube. They both have a place. \n\nFor cooking videos I find tiktok is becoming a go to. Lots of different recipes and I don’t have to scroll past ads and a 20 paragraph story about how someone’s grandma made this dish. The only hard part is sometimes they fly past the ingredients but I can also pause and skip through the video (which they didn’t let you do before lol).",
"Reddit still has the “controversial” flag for comments that have a lot of both upvotes and downvotes, tells you basically the same thing.",
"I purposely look for negative reviews sometimes cuz maybe there’s something I am missing. that’s precisely what he’s saying should be protected.\n\nAnd yea, you’re going to have the odd review giving no stars because they put bowling balls in the luggage and rated the luggage on that …but anyone with common sense knows to skip those ones.",
"He was #6 as far as earning is concerned. Hasan and xQc are bigger",
"> YT changed their whole algorithm to promote clickbait titles and is promoting 1 minute videos and trying to compete with tik tok\n\nThey kinda have to. TikTok is taking the younger generation by storm, if they don't compete Youtube is going to become the platform only old people use.\n\nAnd honestly, I embrace this switch to shorter content. For a while there content was getting stretched out longer and longer just to appease the algorithm. It was practically a meme that you could always skip the first 1/3rd of any YT video to jump to the actually useful parts. Especially for things like tutorials, it's just been so annoying to have to scrub through a ton of irrelevant content to get to the part you actually need.",
"ludwig tagged that himself at 3:30",
"Creators can simply add the word \"dislike\" to their comment block list. You won't even know it's hidden, to you your comment looks normal, but nobody else can see it until the creator approves it. \n\nA lot of creators have big word block lists now, and if they are a scammy creator, they will just block anything remotely negative so all the visible comments are positive, and now you only see the likes... it's a scammers dream.",
"Yup",
"MKBHD, a huge tech channel",
"Post to the Hub. Heard they wanted to go into that line of business so it makes sense. VideoHub lol",
"And why would they reverse it? They know everyone will use their service no matter what so they can do anything they want.",
"Dalton has a good point, but I also think it's the fact that this is just a 4 minute video so it really wasn't hard to pay attention for such a short time.",
"Vimeo is fantastic for hosting professional videos like corporate marketing, short films, portfolio reels, etc and the platform is built for their niche customer base. Their intent is that if you work with pro video you will wind up paying monthly for Vimeo because it's simply so much better for that purpose than YouTube.",
"Also, let's be honest. To protect political interests.",
"They're not innovating for the same market that YouTube is. If you're a creator/marketer/etc and fit their target audience Vimeo serves its niche very well.",
"In this case, definitely not great.",
"I love that he brought up Yelp. Don’t tell YouTube but, yelp does filter likes and dislikes. According to whether or not you pay them. Unfortunately I have a feeling they already know this, and that’s where we’re headed. Get paid by users via YouTube premium if they want to see anything and contact providers as well if they want their contents shown to anyone. Forget monetized/demonetized (which I love because it’s like demon-itized) oh well. end of rant.",
">no built in echo chamber\n\nGood one\n\nIt doesn't necessarily have anything to *promote* an echo chamber, but 4chan definitely is one.",
"Odysee is another one\n\nEdit: I just went to check and the top of their page says \"Welcome to Odysee: we have dislikes\" lmao",
"Do you think advertisers care whether people watch one hour deep dives or 30 second clips? Engagement is what matters",
"That haircut wasnt ok...",
"> Pretty much all tech companies operate at a loss\n\nI have a tough time believing that pretty much all (90%+?) tech companies operate at a loss.",
"On new videos they would rely on the usage of the down button for users of the extension...then they will extrapolate what the actual count is based on actual likes. The more people that use the extension the more accurate it will be.",
"I'll likely stop liking videos all together. No reason to provide any metrics if everything is a lie.",
"Yeah, it seemed kind of crazy that this feature was implemented two weeks after Nintendo's new online announcement video was their most downvoted video of all time.\n\nIt's just to protect corporations and their image, that's all it's about. What I find ironic is that it's only hurting YouTube's image. I find myself going to YouTube less and less nowadays. They are really destroying their own brand.....Oh, and YouTube I know your owned by Google, but quit shoving those fucking annoyingly terrible Google fi commercials down our throats. They fucking suck!",
"I strictly use old and I don't see the ratio, but I also use the enhancement suite, so I have no idea.\n\nThe closest we get to actual knowledge is the little controversial symbol, but we have no idea what the parameters are for when that is attached. Using your example, the dislikes are about 42% of the total vote count. But the threshold for getting that controversial mark might be 49%, and we'd be in the dark.",
"Ad block",
"I had to lol when he said “imagine yelp only showed 5 star reviews” because that’s pretty much what Yelp does.",
"I have already installed an addon that re-adds downvotes",
"Yeah, that's way too high. With that said, pretty much anything running off venture capitalist money is running at a pure loss though and that does account for almost everything trying to get off the ground and then some.",
"**PornFreeHub**\n\nIt's called like that because it's Free?\n\nNo, it's PornFree, it doesn't contain any porn. It's also Free, but that's just because the user is the product.",
"That's because it's not true.",
"Or people have realized that with thousands of reviews, the only way to maximize your impact on the rating is to give a 1-star review.\n\nOn the other hand, many people dismiss 1-star reviews out of hand for that very reason, so giving it a 2- or 3-star at least gives you a chance of showing up if someone specifically seeks those out.",
"There already is one",
"The fact that they are the big name monopoly in the video streaming business confuses me as to why they don't leverage that. Like why cave into advertising companies when you host a platform that reaches billions of users. The ad companies will not pass up an opportunity to reach that audience. If Youtube says \"sorry people are going to curse and play violent video games\", advertisers will still want to advertise.",
"The Critical Role channel is the biggest channel on Twitch.",
"Sauce?",
"And protecting politicians and media",
"Red Letter Media regularly releases videos like this. Just a week ago they released a one hour discussion on the new Ghostbusters movie that has over 1 million views.",
"well at least a lot of white supremacists did",
"Oh. He's right, it finally rolled out to me as well.",
"That doesn't make sense though. If you were about to click a video and then you realized it has a million dislikes, you will just watch a different video with ads. It incentivizes good content and makes the user experience better. Now you're going to have to look at the \"views to likes\" ratio and do some mental math to see if a video is garbage before watching. I'm just less likely to watch youtube altogether with these changes. In fact . . . now that I think about it, im cancelling premium.",
"We remember that dark time",
"That's what they want.\n\nFor you to spend 45 minutes viewing content to find an answer to a question rather than 10. That's a lot more ads you have to wade through or more incentive for you to purchase Youtube premium to avoid the ads.\n\nIt's not a \"waste\" to them, it's literally revenue.",
"What if no one liked or disliked videos, fuck the algorithms up completely. Gotta protest against this somehow",
"Starting to do it? A few years ago you used to be able to see the upvote/downvote ratio on posts and comments. Then they got rid of that.",
"I didn’t think Twitch let you stream sleeping? Also, does he play any specific games or just chat?",
"My understanding is that Youtube plans to kill the API people are using for these sorts of plugins.",
"I'm struggling to care about the issue too. But, maybe that's because I don't use Youtube for anything more than watching things, as opposed to using it as a platform for a community.\n\nThe only time I've ever considered consulting the like/dislike ratio is when stuff is being bombed - and the vast majority of the time the ratio doesn't provide *any* further context for a video. The music video I'm watching has 2M dislikes? Okay, what do I do with that information. Not watch the video?\n\nFor that reason, I don't think the Trip Advisor analogy really works. You can watch a poorly received video, stop it at any time and carry on with your day - as opposed to having a bad haircut or paying for a bad meal.",
"Comments to likes ratio, if comments are disabled or the views to comments ratio is absurdly high(evidence of deleting comments), block the channel.",
"There is a dislike button on Facebook now. It's the comments, as well as the laughing emoji.",
"if that were to happen I'd be fixin' to make a video decrying the whole situation. might even get a cheap haircut out of it",
"Well he didn't make that point, at all. In fact he said it was okay.",
"You've got no data.\n\nYou've got a company telling you they investigated themselves and found their actions justified.\n\nYou're now using their claim to justify your POV, again, without any actual data or an understanding of their research methodology.",
"You missed one thing and that is robo - actions on everything, I don't disagree with you information should be there for everyone to see because only then can you make an informed decision however that decision can only be based on honest and accurate voting in an unbiased manner and that is just not happening because of Propaganda and propaganda has but one goal and that is too deceive for the purpose of manipulation and it does not matter who is doing it only that it is happening and that is what needs to end.\n\nFactual Truths are part of a persons right to be free from deceptive influences that may cause harm to themselves or others from it.\n\nIt used to be protect the innocent now it's sacrifice the innocent to protect criminals.\n\nN. Shadows",
"YouTube is only doing this because every single one of those dumbass YouTube sponsored videos they push on Covid and Biden is absolutely ratio’d to oblivion and the comment section is full of people criticizing the news/politicians. Been like that for probably about a year or two consistently. Don’t get this twisted. This is censorship.",
"Some Youtuber.",
"I didn't even know Yelp was still a thing.",
"\"Didn't watch because I made assumptions and drew my own conclusions.\"",
"This guy talks with the same cadence as Tom Scott. And I like it.\n\nEDIT: Just reached the end of the video, and he actually gives recognition to Tom Scott lol.",
"Instagram does this all the time in their never ending push to become a video-only storefront.",
"Then you can still see their own data that is collected from extension-users. Compared to before the data will just be stored somewhere else, all you need is enough users to make decent extrapolations.",
"Oh that would be unfortunate.",
"100%. Especially the videos that YouTube pushes on your recommended page. Why is this not common sense? Like uh yeah big tech is doing establishment left-wing politicians’ bidding. That should bother people but here we are.",
"Reputable medical authorities also have to turn their comments off, especially on COVID-related videos, because otherwise they get absolutely bombed with propaganda. Which is doubly a shame because it SHOULD be an opportunity for people to ask good-faith questions. But that's not ever what happens in such comment sections when they are allowed to exist.",
"The inability to reverse a playlist has always baffled me particularly since it always seems to default to reverse chronological order.\n\nSuch a hassle trying to watch serialized content in release order that has no reason to be that way.",
"can you guys not see dislikes anymore?",
"No, it's like if Amazon showed the total number of stars (and not the total number of reviews).",
"Content creators have been trying to make/join other platforms but of course Youtube isn't an insignificant amount of revenue (yet). Linus Tech Tips made Floatplane, many educational content creators joined Nebula for examples. It just sucks that they can't get off YouTube without a hit to their bottomline. And then now streamers have started to see the potential of moving to YouTube.",
"You are confused as to why a billionaire in the tech industry thinks he's smart?",
"At this point, we probably have to ddos the website to get them to listen.",
"Okay link me to a video of yours where I can see the dislikes. If you don't have a video just upload your favourite meme and show me that video where I can see the dislikes.",
"Is this a joke? Big tech is actively pushing for only one side of this dumb two-party system. I don’t see anything from YouTube’s sponsored videos that isn’t Biden supporting, MSNBC scripted propaganda. Every one of those videos heavily ratio’d of course. This is censorship in the name of big government.",
"Okay then why aren't you going up to these incredibly naive investors and just lying to their faces and getting rich? Y'all don't think shit this through",
"Ya, it'd be an odd choice to leave it accessible for very long",
"I am all for the dislike counter coming back, but I do want to say I have never once looked at the Like/Dislike counter. A lot of the narrative here is that users need the Dislike counter. I couldn't tell you where it was if my eyes were closed.\n\nSometimes Youtube gets too far inside itself and loses perspective.",
"The $3.5 per sub is the standard deal Twitch gives anyone who becomes a partner. Top streamers have personally negotiated contracts with higher margins.\n\nSo he probably made an even bigger bag.",
"Lol that does not mean they're \"crumbling\" just that tik tok is extremely sucessful. Obviously youtube wants to emulate that.",
"> Yelp removes tons and tons of bad reviews. \n\nAnd Yelp is garbage.",
"Whenever there's a dislike above 5% I usually know something is slightly off with the video but I'll watch to find out as it's typically an single point in an argument being made that people don't agree with, but the video overall is good.\n\nWhen it's between 10 and 30% that usually means the core audience are significantly upset with what's being presented.\n\nIf it's over 30% there's something seriously wrong, or another channel is on a dispute with the videos creator and its being bombed, but that's usually indicated with comments as well so it's quite obvious.\n\nThe dislike bar serves a purpose, it's not just analytics for creators.",
"Boomers are way more into tik tok than youtube.",
"Heyy, I saw that. It's their first video I've ever watched and it was damn hilarious. Too bad most of their content isn't that good.",
"Maybe peertube is the way foward.",
"TikTok is not at all a replacement for YT.\n\nYT will not have any direct competitors in the near future because it’s a money loser. Even with YT’s bowing down to advertisers, they still have trouble getting enough revenue to actually turn a profit. The overhead costs are insane and revenue very volatile\n\nPeople are more likely to move past YouTube’s format altogether than have it actually be replaced",
"I spent last night trying to put homebrew software on my new PSP and was worried the entire time that what I was doing was going to brick my device",
"Its too bad, imo, that more people don't focus their criticism on the lack of data.\n\nEven if it came from YT themselves I would like to see it.\n\nI agree it would be even better if the research was done independently.\n\nAlso, I never claimed there was any data we had access to.",
"I guess agree to disagree, but I like a majority of their content.",
"He literally stated in the video the reference + showed the video",
"Oh is there? What's it called?",
"Thats literally what so many people have done. Look at theranos lmao. Or ozy, the media company\n\nTheres still skill and luck involved, but at the end out of the day its still just a ponzi scheme",
"Oh hell yes... and being impressed at a pixel trifle making an MSN video call over V90!",
"The majority where it affects things is for tutorial videos, at a glance you know if it's good or not when there is 90%+ ratio to likes to dislikes, normally 70% means it's ok but missing something, and 50% and lower means to just skip it. You just don't know now and can waste a lot of time when looking up stuff, also review videos as well this affects quite a bit for me.",
"lets*",
"> if you gave me the choice between losing 100 bucks and losing the next 8 hours of my life,\n\nBut thats not time > money, its 8 hours > $100. What if it was a choice between 8 seconds and $100? Would time still be > money?\n\nAlso wtf sort of youtube videos are you watching? We're talking youtube videos vs amazon purchases. You might very well make a $100 amazon purchase, but you certainly aren't watching an 8 hour video without realising its shit.\n\nAnd honestly, if you're not living paycheck to paycheck thats an even weaker argument, because now you're choosing to trade away your time for money you don't explicitely need.",
"Hey that's what happens in that Black Mirror episode \"Fifteen Million Merits\". Are we in a Black Mirror episode?",
"Maybe less useful but an extension that makes the views to likes ratio easily consumable could still be useful.",
"He doesn't give a shit, he swapped to YT because they agreed to pay him 10-15 million a year.",
"9568 dislikes now.",
"I'd rather put a bonfire out with my face than visit 4chan. That shit was unbearably juvenile back in high school",
"Idk maybe I just haven't spent enough time using it, but YouTube just seems so much better geared towards these detailed how to style videos that I find immensely valuable.",
"Hosting and serving that much data is expensive.",
"Are you using adblock? Adblockers get rid of the promoted posts",
"Dislikes were fully removed from the public API today (I believe). The extension does collect its own data and estimates dislike counts based on views.",
"Um, Netflix knows exactly how many people have watched, and down to the second. They aren’t tv stations using made up Nielsen numbers. They have the data.",
"Okay, but let’s actually do that though. I’m serious. \nCan we not start a crowdfund, find the various talents we need from Reddit, and see what we can do?\n\nI obviously have no clue what kind of resources we’re talking about here, but I refuse to believe that creating a new successful video platform is impossible.",
"Funny enough, I've been spending a lot less time on the platform.",
"The motto is probably more accurately \"do anything that nets a profit, regardless of how evil it is\".",
"HandyHub for all the DIY videos",
"I don't understand why 20 dollars isn't a good price for a haircut. Where I live 15 euros is pretty standard, and gets you a decent haircut.\n\nWhat are Americans expected to pay for the same thing?",
"\"Pretty much all\" might be too big a word, but there really is a lot of popular companies that dont turn a profit. Pretty much all ride/apartment-sharing apps can't turn a profit, Snapchat, Twitter. If these billion-dollar valued companies cant turn a profit through traditional income means, I dont see why smaller companies could have an easier time doing it. If you want to scale up and become a big tech company, with all the costs associated with that, you are going to only earn money through investors\n\n\nThere are successful companies in the social-media/website sphere that actually do generate a profit from advertisement (Facebook being the big one), but again thats entirely fake money. [This WIRED article] (https://www.wired.com/story/ad-tech-could-be-the-next-internet-bubble/) goes through why internet ads aren't actually working and i see no reason why these companies shouldn't just lie about ad-related stats to their adspace-buyers\n\n\nReddit itself is bleeding money. The business model for these companies is really just \"create an interesting product that investors believe in and keep their interests\". Its a giant ponzi-scheme",
"Has nothing to do with whether or not they’re scary. One only needs look at their history of censorship, even as recently as on TikTok, to understand why that’s a bad idea.",
"Where did that bring you? Back to me\n\n-Pornhub",
"I remember back in my RuneScape days, I would be able to find quest guides by using the dislike amount.\n\nShame.\n\nNow, if you do add the video to an OBS media share queue it shows the dislikes, but who has time for that.",
"I read somewhere that Steve Jobs was heavily against the like and share buttons on A GUI. He thought if it’s good enough to be shared, the person will make the effort to copy and paste a link and say that they like it.",
"To each their own. I find it has funnier discourse and commentary. I can't tolerate /b/ and /r9k/ to be fair.",
"That haircut was pretty bad in my opinion. When he let Karl cut his hair and give him a rat tail, that looked better than this.",
"Like all the influencers chicks to have 400 thousand followers but each post has 9 likes and 1 comment… “I earned 1220209 percent buying shibu inu” follow to learn how to invest.",
"Excellent example, I think about that episode all the time. I was especially thinking about it when \"Squid Game\" was about how horrible and random \"merit-based capitalism\" is while being a huge hit for a mega-corp and which was heavily merchandized.",
"Well Vimeo does suck. They are in this position because they didn't innovate properly. Youtube started after they did I think, and took over because there were better opportunities to upload for the general user.\n\nI saw Youtube as just a fun site for random stuff. Vimeo looked like a site specifically for college artsy videos, and something more serious by students and filmmakers.\n\nThe format didn't look all that great either I think. Youtube was better looking, and still is.",
"Odysee",
"I dont doubt that they have accurate data, thats not what the argument is about. I dont believe the data they put out to investors is accurate. They have never actually showed any proof of these numbers, they've just said \"yep 62million views in 28 days\". Why shouldn't they lie about the numbers, literally no one is ever going to find out\n\nNielsen is useful because it tells the stations, which actually do operate through an consumer-based income stream, where they should put their money. Netflix generates money through investors, it doesnt really care if it is creating the perfect content for their users to the degree that traditional broadcasting companies do",
"He's a smash bros commentator turned variety streamer",
"Except there's obviously an incredible sampling bias of the people who specifically care about dislikes strongly enough to find an extension to recreate the functionality, so that will be useless. Doubly so if people realize that with such a small install base, they could recreate the downvote-mob phenomenon with very few users to make certain videos show up as widely disliked with no connection to reality.",
"But what do advertisers, mainstream news, and other propogandists all have in common? \n\nThey require everyday users to function, do they not? Those groups might worry if there was civil unrest within their commodities/humans.",
"Oh shit I heard about the api being shut down but it’s great they’re at least storing and estimating most of the data, noice",
"Technically I’d say Reddit’s system is far better because what it shows is the sum of the up and down whereas with YouTube it just shows the likes so the dislikes do nothing.",
"Odysee has dislikes",
"The amount of backend storage you need to launch a youtube competitor is incomprehensible. I still don't think youtube makes a profit, Google just has a money printer in ad services so they can afford it.",
"I’ve been paying 100 a year for Vimeo for the last decade. I don’t even go there. I upload my video and link it from somewhere else.",
"How this is a bad thing? I don't base my choices on reviews. I base them on my own experiences.",
"I know lots of people that worked for Netflix. They kept these numbers secret for years and would not report them. They finally started releasing them occasionally for blow out hit shows. The numbers matched the internal numbers.",
"Except reddit votes aren't a rating system. It's a popularity vote to get the most popular opinions to the top. Something might have a lot of downvotes, but if it has more upvotes then it means the majority of people found this information relevant.",
"I don't think people have a good definition of echo chamber. To me, it's only seeing agreements to your position, ya know - echoes. 4chan is basically only disagreements. So it's a shit chamber sure, but I don't think it really echoes - it's much to hate filled. For every conspiracy theory thread, it's filled with people calling them schizos and to go take their meds. Every antivax thread is filled with people calling them retards. You can't JUST see the opinion you agree with. And a ton of people contradict opinions purely to troll, so you always get dissent even on the most logical claim.",
"Start down voting videos on brands and leaving a comment saying you did so because you weren’t sure if anyone else did.",
"We know, he says it in the video",
"hub hub",
"But when does that \"trying to get off the ground\" period end? Uber's stated buisness goal is to overtake all public transport, thats the only way thats viable. So even though they have a billion dollar valuation and on pretty much every adults phone, they're still just trying to get \"off the ground\"",
"He would have his friends/roommates/mods take over the stream while he slept. And he did both.",
"What possible incentive is there to not lie",
"Doubt VCs will fund a competitor when its quite public on how much YouTube operating costs are. You would have to be ready to lose billions to build a user base. At which point you end up adding similar montization decisions to recoup your losses.\n\nAt this point the only way you would get a less advertiser controlled version if a government funded version was made. At which point you are just trading advertiser control for government control.",
"Theres actually a new one i heard of called odysee.com",
"This is is a very simple statistical problem. Hopefully they show the error in the reported number as well.",
"Sure, but better than absolutely nothing. The more install the extension (and if they can somehow get a phone app addon) the more accurate it will be.",
"r/justfuckmyshitup \"Give me The Full Picture\"",
"But why would anyone read a magazine like that? There are no other choices for YouTube - but there’s tons of places to read about wine.",
"Bad data can absolutely be worse than absolutely nothing.",
"Do you remember digg? They let the site die rather then revert it to the old one. Probably had made shady deals they couldn't break. I have a feeling it's the same thing here, Youtube execs are getting a cut out of this, they will never back down.",
"4chan ain't the same place it was pre-2008 my dude",
">\n>Pretty much all tech companies operate at a loss,\n\nLol, no they don't and this is easily discounted by a google search. \n \nhttps://www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/05/01/how-much-revenue-tech-giants-like-amazon-and-apple-make-per-minute.html",
"I never clicked like or dislike either. I never paid attention to it because I'm only watching content from 20 channels or so. The likes to dislike ratio was never a deciding factor in what I was going to watch.",
"Sampling bias is not a simple statistical problem.\n\nYou are probably thinking of *sample size*, but the errors around sample size can only be calculated if you have a representative sample: in this case, a random selection of people watching a specific video. You do not get anything close to that by using an opt-in, third party app.\n\nE: Let me use an example. If you have 100 people and you ask ten random people \"do you like red or blue more?\", you can put error bars on that. That's sample size. If you ask the ten people in red shirts \"do you like red or blue more?\", that's sample bias, and you can't just put error bars around it.\n\nAn opt-in dislike app extrapolating what regular users dislike is asking red shirt wearers what their favorite color is and concluding everybody loves red.",
"Ffs. With dislike, there are no reason for bad creator to delete comments since they cant hide the fact that their video is shit. Now they remove dislike they can just delete every negative comments and no one will be able to tell",
"This is not true. There are two tiers. The basic rate is 2.50 which is what the majority of partners fall into, the higher is 3.50. This was confirmed on his stream yesterday.\n\nEDIT:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/pxBBx9UCDLE?t=2278\n\n\"two general splits that you have, one is a more like standard split, and one is a partner split\"\n\nhttps://youtu.be/6m5P_n5njCQ?t=214\n\n\"if youre a top tier partner you keep 70%\"",
"The opposite of the incentive to not tell the truth.",
"Netflix doesn’t need to inflate numbers for ad revenue. It’s the inflated CPMs in the ad game that are a scam. \n\nNetflix also keeps track of how much of the actual show people watch. I dunno if when they (using your example) mean 62 million people watched Queens Gambit they mean to the end or not. Maybe some of those only watched 5 minutes. But most certainly 62 million users clicked it and loaded it and watched at least some of it. \n\nThat place is full of enormous egos. They love to brag. It wouldn’t be the same if they were full of shit. Trust me, they only say that bc they are basically dick measuring.",
"Google actually owns YouTube since 2006",
"Always 100% upvotes is more accurate? A liked video will hardly have any downvotes from extension users while a hated video will have too many downvotes...so you are just going to get a more extreme, but still more accurate count than if you just assumed 0 down votes 100% of the time.",
"Incase people haven't seen it yet but chrome and probably other browsers have extensions that allow you to see the dislikes. Not sure if you can do it on mobile or not.",
"This shows revenue, not profit. Theres a difference\n\nMoney coming from investments is also revenue. This is counted into that. My argument is that these companies dont bring in any money, besides investor money i.e. its all just a giant ponzi scheme\n\n\nAmazon and apple are different since they actually sell physical products (alphabet a bit too), and thats why you see companies like facebook trying to branch out into physical wares (the oculus or whatever meta thing they're calling it). But Uber, Lyft, Zillow, Snapchat, Twitter, reddit itself and pretty much all digital newspaper are all losing so much money and are only kept alive by investor money",
"I’ve wasted time already watching 25 minute videos that the thumbnail basically lies what I’m going to see. I’m now wasting my time looking at YouTube comments to see if the video is worth watching and that rarely works. Very disappointed.",
"That's so weird, just went to Netflix to stick it on and it was the first episode that came up when I opened black mirror 👻",
"This is funny because left-wingers are saying the same thing, just with the roles reversed.\n\nIt's all about protecting corporations and capitalism. Politics be damned.",
"you know what we do? we create a browser extension that brings back the like to dislike ratio",
"An echo chamber isn't completely free from *all* dissent.\n\nBut even if we went with that definition, 4chan is still an echo chamber. There's a hardline stance that runs across every board about slurs being just fine to use in casual conversation, for example.\n\nBy that definition, though, there is no such thing as an echo chamber, because nowhere is truly void of any alternative opinions. Even on Reddit, there will almost always be *at least* one severely downvoted comment on any post, disagreeing with whatever was said, or some small coalition of trolls coming in just to piss people off. Any Facebook group is going to have trolls join, get bombarded by ads from an opposition opinion, have dissenting opinions on minor topics, so on. If an \"echo chamber\" is agreement only, then there is essentially no such thing. Even zealots will run into disagreements over how exactly to interpret their religious texts. You're drawing your definition too tight and exclusive, just so you can defend and justify your use of one website.",
"this is just a tom scott video but instead of views its dislikes",
"I'll admit that my Netflix idea is a bit of a conspiracy theory and it really can't be proven one way or the other. But they absolutely have an incentive to lie since the numbers are what bring in the investor money that they survive on",
"You are correct and my first videos were in 2005 not 2007.\n\nIn 2007 we got access to Google adsense and could start making money from producing videos.\n\nBefore that I used youtube to direct people to my own website and books.",
"I can't process all these double negatives",
"It isn’t really a problem of yt being the good one.. but of twitch just.. not caring about their creators..\nA lot of YouTubers will complain about YouTube all the time, but if you ask them to move they’d refuse.. bc YouTube even with all its flaws is the number 1 place for creators to create",
"It really depends on where you live.",
"Summit gets 4",
">I mean, there was a time before youtube\n\nYeah, we call that time \"dialup\". \nIt was a time when video and home users bandwidth didn't get along. \nYouTube was founded in 2005. \nRight about the time of widespread dsl and cable. \nAs long as we've had the bandwidth, we've had YouTube.",
"It makes sense that youtube would fight because they need stars more than twitch does. Just business.",
"One aspect I don't see many people bringing up that's worth mentioning, is that liking/disliking videos is part of a user's interaction on YouTube. Liking a video doesn't JUST mean that you think the quality of the video itself is good, it might also mean that you support the message, or you want to show support for a creator. Likewise, disliking a video sends the opposite message. It's not much different from just leaving an actual comment in writing. Seeing that like/dislike ratio is important, because it sums up public sentiment.",
"How do you know specifically those are why people disliked the video, and not say some rival-content watcher?",
"> ~~Hypernormalization~~ Hyperevilization",
"Boysssss",
"The White House YouTube gets downvoted to oblivion",
"They've been trailing this on some channels for months. My main account lost the dislikes privilege some 3-4 months ago and none of the people I talked to knew what I even meant. Then they finally ended the experiment a few weeks ago, without ever telling me what it was about, or even that I was a part of it (not that you could miss it). I figured that YouTube for once did a reasonable decision and realised that it wasn't worth whatever they were trying to achieve with it.\n\nShould've known better I guess.",
"Here's the thing about creating an alternative \n\nFor one YouTube operates at a loss. Google can afford that but your startup can't.\n\nBut secondly and most importantly, and this is not just true of YouTube or Google. These tech monopolies act like the mafia. If you attempt to create a competitor they will use every available means (and they have many) to shut you down. Whether through the government, through web hosting companies, or malicious hacking of your website, they WILL NOT allow you to exist.",
"> IIRC last month TikTok had more combined watch time than YouTube.\n\nAh, *that's* why I hear the same 3 seconds of music playing over and over when twatends who don't use headphones are on the train.",
">My argument is that these companies dont bring in any money, besides investor money i.e. its all just a giant ponzi scheme\n>\n\nAnd that's wrong outside of startups working with venture capital. \nAnd you literally said \"pretty much all\" which is a staggeringly indefensible position.",
"amazon video. They have the servers.",
"> I mean, there was a time before youtube. \n\nI remember around here when it was empty search fields...",
"Uber, Lyft, Zillow, Snapchat, Twitter, Reddit. Does it not scare you that some of the biggest companies are just losing money? That the entire revenue stream comes from peoples belief that they will become profitable soon, and not the fact that they can do something material? Companies scale up to these sizes, and simply can't sustain themselves while relying on consumer-based incomes. The tech market is designed to allow insane speculation that has no basis in any material reality. This is literally just our version of the tulip market",
"Quakerhub. Good for a snort. Thank you",
"how would it estimate dislikes based on views?",
"I don't know if I've ever used that functionality other than to copy to clipboard, feels weird when a piece of code tries to post for me. I'm a shitposter by trade, if I'm sharing something, I need my own spin on it.",
"When start-ups *begin*, they run at a loss, and a lot fail before they see a profit. Many continue to do so long-term to keep prices low until they own a big chunk of the market (see Uber, Carvana, and so on).\n\nThat said, FAANG companies (and many of the thousands that hover just below them) tend to be ridiculously profitable. Whether you believe that'll last or makes sense is pretty secondary.",
"The bigger problem too is in the age of misinformation, this is going to be a huge problem. Won’t be able to tell which videos are total BS or true based on the votes. \n\nHorrible horrible idea.",
"For most videos I agree that a shorter format is best but for educational videos that are in depth you really need that longer format.\n\nYoutube still has both and some advertisers that do long spiels or put out a video for a movie trailer want longer videos.\n\nYoutube just has to figure out how to keep their publishers happy and it will mean a bigger share of the ad revenue or they may lose some good educational video publishers.\n\nThey may have to make separate channels so videos are not so mixed and people can get to what they are looking for easier.\n\nAs it is the way youtube recommends videos to watch is completely messed up and I get the same video recommendations over and over and most are crap click bait.",
"people have been oohing and aahing about vimeo over the last 10 years but they don't have the huevos ranchers to make the switch, do they? they don't have the balls!",
"Yes, \"I know it has X upvotes and don't know how many downvotes it has\" is more accurate than \"I know it has X upvotes and think it has X downvotes from a very bad downvote guessing algorithm.\" Bad information makes you confident in bad takes.",
"Okay but how is he not gonna credit or link the Tom Scott video\n\nEdit: he credits him at the end and I'm a piece of shit for commenting before finishing the video. I have downvoted myself pls forgive",
"There's ads on YouTube?",
"The entire *this post* just runs on fabricated numbers….\n\nPretty much all *of users posts* operate at a loss….",
"Yup. \nYou've successfully listed \"pretty much all\" tech companies. \nExcept the ones that don't count, of course, because they sell something. \nYou win!",
"That's exactly what youtube wants. More engagement. Also creators can just hide any comments they don't like. \n\nThe extension is the next best thing, but how long until youtube removes the dislike button completely?",
"Subscriber is the right wording, but to add to that, Twitch subscribers are paying viewers, while Twitch followers is equivalent to YouTube subscribers which are free.",
"It collects the dislikes made by users of the extension, then extrapolates assuming the same proportion of viewers would dislike the video.\n\nThe biggest disadvantage to this is a view is not unique, while a dislike is.",
"That just shows one reason to actually remove dislikes. Brigading. Dislikes have no value when they are brigaded.\n\nEDIT: Lol get mad peasants. You'll be over it in a week as is normal. \n\n-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------\n(Let me give you a hint: ^(You don't actually care about these things, this is just the flavor of the week for outrage.))\n\nRemindMe! 1 Week",
"And why the hell do we call Uber and Lyft \"tech companies\". \nIt's a taxie service with an app. \nCan any company make an app and start calling themselves a \"tech company\"?",
"100% bad guessing algorithm(no downvote count) vs <100% bad guessing algorithm...I suppose we will just have to disagree.",
"You started it.",
"Ok that's nice, see you tomorrow Bob.",
"This argument falls apart the instant you remember videos of covid news stories get massive dislikes despite them speaking the truth and being rooted in science. Likes and dislikes actually say nothing about the video and can be equally has harmful as it is helpful for the same reasons.",
"Do yourself a favor and get ublock origin or some other ad blocker. I haven't seen a Reddit ad in forever. They're so obnoxious. I hate when sites try to make ads look like user submitted content.",
"Who gives a shit about this fucking dislike button? Reddit has been obfuscating vote counts for literally more than a decade. This pearl clutching bullshit makes no sense. The 'haHA this brand got #wrecked lol xD' is not fucking political discourse. Half the time those dislike campaigns are just fucking reddit, home of the hidden dislike count.",
"thats either a specific contract he has or theres no way to confirm that he actually gets 4. disguisedtoast made a video breaking the twitch TOS where he showed that 3.50 was the highest tier as well as disclosing several other private numbers.",
"Agreed, if something is absurdly downvoted, it's usually brigaded anyway.",
"I mean, that's just posturing by them if their stated goal is to overtake all public transport. I wouldn't count Uber as still trying to get off the ground. They are very much established. Looking up some info, they are definitely running at a loss year over year. The only VC information shows as recently as 2018 they were doing rounds for funding and got like 2 billion dollars. They are probably still running on VC money since they can't seem to make any.\n\nThey would definitely fall in the \"and then some\" category lol",
"A very big Twitch streamer who just signed to exclusively stream on YouTube.",
"Maybe he was right. Who actually opens things people share online? Even on reddit, most people don't read the article.",
"Youtube hiding downvotes isn't saying \"there are zero downvotes.\" It isn't bad information, it's just *no* information. Having no information, and admitting you don't have information, can easily be better than relying on bad information.",
"Could be worth checking out PeerTube or some other decentralized service. They literally scale with more users. Another company is just gonna pull the same shit as YT once they become successful.",
"They've also been able to disable the like/dislike bar for years now as well.",
"Would it be OK to dislike every video I watch regardless if I liked it or not until this is resolved?\nI would like to go the complete opposite way of what YouTube wants after that change.",
"I was wondering why I hadn’t seen him live the last few days when I opened the Twitch app. TIL.",
"https://odysee.com/\nI just like the fact their site says we have dislikes. I just don't see anything I find interesting on there, yet.",
"It's not going to be made useless by the sample being biased towards people whose opinion I actually care about.",
"Whatever you say big dawg",
"I have not yet updated the app, and refuse to unless the decision is reversed.",
"Can you give me a few examples? I’ve never come across these kind of tutorials.",
">What are we gonna do ... create another video hosting service? lmao\n\nNot entirely impossible if enough people cared enough",
"Not nearly enough. This sub probably generates less than 1% of their traffic I'm sure they wouldn't give a shit",
"Yea, gonna agree with you here. I’ve used YT since the early days and I’ve never had to use dislikes to determine if a video is good or not 🤷🏻♂️",
"Reddit would actually be better without downvotes, because it would prevent burying contrary opinions. With the Reddit voting system an opinion that is just slightly unpopular (like 45% versus 55%) can be buried at the bottom of the thread. This is why so many subs turn into echo chambers.\n\nIt's different for things like Youtube and Amazon because there you're not just agreeing or disagreeing with a position, you're actually rating the quality of a product (Youtube videos are products too), and it's important for consumers to have at least an impression of the quality of a product before they commit their time or money to it.",
"Lol suddenly up/down votes are reliable --reddit",
"Yeah, using the yelp comparison doesn't help make the point. Yelp is full of rating and comment manipulation.",
"Yes :) Thats literally how the market works :) The reason Uber is valued at 2b is that they have an app and are therefore a tech company",
"👎",
"He's slime's friend",
"It *can be* worse yes, but in reality the guess from the extension will be a better guess then 100% upvotes. You can mathematically say it will be worse...which it could. But in reality it will not be worse. I have the extension installed and I just want to see if this or that diy video is well liked or not and give it my upvote or not...same as before. I imagine the 100,000+ that have already downloaded it are in the same boat...they generally the type that want to see the vote counts. With hundreds of thousands or even millions of users it would be very unlikely to depart from the existing system by more than a few percent.",
"Exactly, we need to be able to see if a repair tutorial is actually going to fix our problem or even worse if it's straight up dangerous...",
"Thank you",
"Who the hell messes with ad posts lol.",
"Our government is at the top of that \"profit over people\" list.",
"Right! Though Tom usually does his without any cuts, which is amazing",
"except you can see the upvote percentage. 88% for this post, for example",
"Slime's friend",
"Maybe this [one? \"Return YouTube Dislikes.\"](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-CA/firefox/addon/return-youtube-dislikes/)",
"Sure and that shows that the whole market is greatly susceptible to this. Uber isnt some weird one-off, its a case for how the whole market operates and how a lot of it is just pure speculation, destined to crash whenever these checks actually start getting called. Right now the companies and investors are profiting from it, so no one is actually upset",
"Lol, Voat, the \"safe space\" reddit.",
"No, let's make a plug-in that overlays a separately tracked number on the youtube. We don't need YouTube to track downvotes, we just need somebody with a very healthy redis cluster and a web api.",
"I stopped halfway through, because that's a really nice haircut, in my opinion, so he was right for singling out that particular person's good review.",
"They started by building the foundation at the same time. How are you supposed to build a video server foundation to compete with YouTube 300-500 mil foundation, ui, servers, etc.?",
"End of service Dec 13th",
"The only people who are going to leave reviews are typically people who have had a really bad experience or a really good experience. I don't go onto amazon and review double sided tape with a \n\n\"Gets the job done, but could be stickier 3/5\". \n\nTo me, anything in the middle would represent the item functioning as expected, so people wont return to review it.",
"I hear what you are saying, sadly people use up/down as agree/disagree on reddit. \n\nSomeone needs to make an extension that people can universally use on sites like youtube to rate content 0-5 star scale. Like/Dislike is so one dimensional.",
"Capitalism = not good for people.",
"Likes/dislikes could already be disabled entirely for specific videos, though.",
"From YouTube to UsTube.",
"They should get rid of upvotes too.",
">What are we gonna do ... create another video hosting service? lmao\n\n\nIf YouTube keeps this kind of shit up, that's exactly what we'll do! It certainly won't be an overnight change, but I think that the poor business decisions will eventually culminate in YouTube being replaced. Look at EA. Sure they're still around, and won't be going anywhere anytime soon, but they have essentially zero public trust and start every release on thin ice.\n\nI'm not familiar with how YouTube's various contracts with creators/advertisers work, but I would think that replacing them would be easier than replacing a company like EA, since YouTube doesn't have any IP of its own (aside from YouTube itself).",
"End of service is Dec 13th",
"Fuck big media censorship. Where are the alternative platforms?",
"A lot of people claimed it would save them all sorts of time but if I am being honest with myself rarely are dislikes the first thing I am looking at. \n\nEven then you still do not automatically know if it is actually saving you the time or if you are just assuming the dislikes are valid without watching it for yourself. Still have to watch at least some part of the vid to be sure if dislikes are valid.",
"Hmmm, you're claiming that Apple, Microsoft Google and Netflix, all public companies, are cooking their books and secretly operating at a loss based on your feeling that their inflating numbers?\n\nDo you have any better conspiracy theories? This one's kind of lame.",
"He literally did credit the Tom Scott video at he end",
"I use Reddit mainly on android",
"I never clicked dislike before but now I'm doing it on every video I see",
"I need to check how that works, you are right we have that percentage, but still requires clicking first. I thought RES might have option to add that to subreddits to see it before clicking, but I still need to check what that represents..\nThanks.",
"I think you misinterpreted. An echo chamber must be free from some dissent. A place can be an echo chamber naturally, based on like minded individuals congregating, or it can be an echo chamber unnaturally, such as hiding comments with too many downvotes, or heavy active moderation.\nYou may be arguing that 4chan is a natural echo chamber, which I would mostly disagree with based on my experience. Slurs being used in casual conversation for example, I would feel like if you asked whether or not it were appropriate to use slurs you would get many different answers there. Just because you see the N-word used often on 4chan, doesn't mean everyone agrees with using it personally. However, I would say you have a point that the main stance is that people are allowed to say what they want, so it is an echo chamber of that sort - because people that can't handle that self-filter themselves, so it becomes a place where the people there are okay with anything goes mentality - and rarely encounter people that have problems with that.\nBut my main problem with sites is artificially created echo chambers, not natural echo chambers.",
"Was gonna say how he just copied Tom Scotts video from a year and a half ago, but he actually has a point and talked about some relevant issues with youtube.",
"Oh wait so if it has 1M likes and 2M dislikes, YT won't mention anything, that's horrible! I must have missed that part. What is google i mean Alphabet thinking?",
"I really wish I could but you can’t see dislikes anymore on videos. It was just something I had noticed within the last few months",
"I would agree but I never noticed the same sort of dislike ratios on right leaning channels",
"That’s not surprising at all regardless of who is in office",
"Apple and Microsoft have success selling physical products, so no they aren't actually operating at a loss. Google and Netflix however, absolutely have the most cooked books in existence.\n\n\n[This article is pretty good, concerns how internet ads really aren't that effective and are only useful due to the fact that they move money around companies] (https://www.wired.com/story/ad-tech-could-be-the-next-internet-bubble/)",
"To add to your comment, linus tech channel reached out to one of youtube team departments and told him all of issues and the problem the new feature will bring, they didnt a single thing about anything he said during the call, like actually closing their ear\n\nSource: https://mobile.twitter.com/linusgsebastian/status/1464627802985037831",
"Vanilla YouTube still displays dislikes for me. The count is accurate.",
"I wish it was used that way, for example I would love to read opposite sides or unpopular opinion's argument, especially these days.. Sadly because majority disagrees with them, it goes down to hell depths of Reddit. I vote up even things I don't like but if it's a good argument. Reddit voting system is misused. Except Pictures sub, anything goes there...",
"I give a shit as I usually use the like/dislike ratio on how to videos, trophy guides, game reviews to determine which is worth watching.",
"Odysee is a great platform, its based on decentralised blockchain",
"He literally says that at the end. It's extremely clear that he purposely did this as an homage to Tom Scott, the first couple sentences are almost identical.",
"Because our current media will take a few tweets and amplify it like it’s millions of voices crying out for change and corporations cave. It’s hilarious and sad.",
"Dammit Jin Yang...",
"But not your friend.",
"They should've hidden number of likes as well, of fairness is what they were after. Just show number of views then.",
">Tutorials are useless without seeing downvotes ... And no one is suddenly going to read the comments\n\nBullshit. I don't trust likes/dislikes and always read the comments to find out why a video is liked/disliked. It's so bizarre to me that you think a free video on the internet is now useless because it has no dislike button.",
"No let Vimeo be for the filmmakers. I don’t want these youtubers soiling the good stuff on vimeo",
"Politicians also weren't happy about their videos getting disliked. Guess who can regulate Google and maybe even shatter it.",
"You literally couldn't even describe your experience with the website without using a slur yourself.\n\nI grew up with it. I used to go on 4chan daily, around a decade ago. If you *seriously* believe that there isn't a dominant ideology across all boards, you're only visiting one or two very specific boards, and most likely falling prey to selection bias as well. Yes, there will always be someone chiming in with an insult on any given post; it doesn't change that the *overall response* agrees with certain points and disagrees with others.\n\nYou can create this arbitrary distinction between \"artificial\" and \"natural\" echo chambers, but that's just silly. If I go on 4chan and share an opinion, and get only 5-10 people calling me \"retard\" for it, I'm not likely to go back. Obviously there are people who don't agree, even feel emboldened by the antagonism, but that is the most likely result. It's just a verbal downvote. And \"based\" is just a verbal upvote. The *only* significant difference is the lack of bans, outside of extreme circumstances, and to some degree private subreddits/unlisted or private YouTube videos/members-only Facebook groups and so on. So, yeah, other sites are much worse for creating echo chambers. But that doesn't mean 4chan isn't one.",
"Thanks for the backstory",
"I thought it was because KYC or something to that effect? So many anonymous accounts uploading videos of god knows what…",
"Is it wrong that enjoy his explanations? I don’t see the problem here, I only read 1 or 4 star reviews.",
"This is kinda a moot point because creators can delete any comments they want.",
"They will soon remove like count and view count. Just like Netflix or any other streaming platform.",
"Agreed. I've been using Youtube since its start and I can count on one hand the number of times dislikes (or anything of the sort) has affected how I look at a video. Most of the time the relevant video is on the first \"page\" just like on google searches. I guarantee anyone saying they look at even just the 2nd page of google results is lying for the most part. Same goes with Youtube. \n\nNot to mention reddit constantly complains about upvotes/downvotes anyway. People always complain when technology they rely on changes. Eventually they will just get used to it.\n\nLastly, the comments are there.",
"That is the issue. YouTube is the world's second most popular website. Not just the second most popular video site, or social site, or whatever. Any competitor would either need an unprecedented groundswell of both user- and creator-level support, or be backed by a massive competitor.\n\nYouTube can lure Ludwig Ahgren from Twitch, and can easily offer incentives to make sure big names or big draws are on (or even exclusive to) YouTube. Viewers who want to see all their favorite creators will not willingly switch away from YouTube unless the competition is as good AND has all their favorites.\n\nOn top of all that, YouTube has an incredibly long history of videos. If you find a new favorite, you can often go back and watch hundreds of their old videos while waiting for them to post something new.\n\nAny viable competitor would also need to be able to ingest at least a significant portion of the \\~500 hours of video every minute that YouTube handles, plus store and stream them back out for millions of users. And, it would need to be able to do that from nearly day one, without any appreciable revenue at the beginning.\n\nA true competitor to YouTube would be great, but it would not be easy.\n\nMaybe someone like MindGeek could put together a competitor (since their pornographic video hosting sites are designed to offer a similar service on a vaguely similar scale), but it would still require a measurable percentage of YouTube viewers and creators to use the service.",
"The dislike button benefits brigading conservatives more actually because that's not really how the left does things. That being said, there are probably several positives to removing dislike button.",
"I always feel a bit conflicted watching *The Boys* or *Mr. Robot* on Amazon.",
"New to capitalism? Who needs integrity when you can have more nebulous concepts in your nebulous concept account?",
"Which government are you talking about specifically, because there's a wide extreme. In America, corporations hold more power/sway over government, in an Eastern country like China or Russia, the government holds total control over everything. I'm not trying to make America look bad, I love this country, but I think it's time for the government to start taking back some of the control with much higher taxes on rich individuals, and raising wages for inflation. It's also probably a good time for more people to get involved in government and make their voting power mean something, and stop voting in these idiots holding us back. We (collectively) want unions, and the choice to have an abortion, and legal marijuana, and the right to live a comfortable life as long as you put in the hard work and labor, whether that means you went to school, or are happy doing general labor. As long as you're a good, hard working person in this country, you shouldn't be this stressed out over bills and health-care and any number of hot topics happening now.",
"I guess \"views to likes\" ratio will be a thing that will be informally used going forward.",
">Idk about you but I’ve watched videos both from Fox News and CNN to everything in between and the amount of dislikes anything left leaning compared to right leaning was very obvious.\n\nThat's because \"conservatives\" (most likely trumpists) actively do that shit because they don't have any real ideas in order to push back in the sphere of politics. It's all lies, brigading, grifting, etc lol.",
"Yes.",
"If they could I'm sure yt could just add language to TOS to make it a violation to do that but maybe that's just too much 'work' for them at least for a while.\n \nI don't expect creators to try and 'fix' yt's mistake at least not any of the ones we'd actually want or need to see dislikes/likes.\n \nFor now I'm trying to update the list of YT's I 'trust' and can only hope they don't slack off once dislikes are hidden.",
"[Here's one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J21TV-B2Bg) thats ridiculously stupid and dangerous. If you use an angle grinder like this you could very easily fuck yourself up and lose fingers.\n\n2.1 million views. With that amount of views, I guarantee that someone has tried doing what he did and hurt themselves.\n\n[Another](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuG7AUNgAwY), possibly even more stupid. 7.1 million views.",
"Is there a reason they rolled this out to users in phases instead of all at once? Was it to control backlash so not everyone is complaining at once?",
"That's because people on the left don't care about brigading every stupid right winger channel lol.",
"Channel 5 is goated",
"Yes, peertube, not difficult (both if you are just an user or if you want to host it yourself) and there are quite a lot of instances for you to use free of charge",
"Weird bot",
"Some good might come out of it. China won't bow down before the content mafia and always side with them on copyright disputes.\n\nOn the other hand there are of course free speech issues.",
"He explained removing dislikes year before they got removed?",
"Just wait. This sets a precedent.",
"YT advertising revenue is almost as high as Netflix. This doesn’t account for YouTube subscription service. \n\nIt’s all about ad revenue.",
"I use it somewhat frequently, mostly to send it as a message to someone. If no such button were to exist, then I'd still take the effort to share it. That's not an excuse to go out of the way by not providing that feature though.",
"I agree, especially for \"how to\" videos. I'm going to YouTube to get information and if someone is telling me how to work on, say a car, and they are doing things wrong/ not efficiently yet people press the \"like\" button cause they are cracking silly jokes. That isn't helpful, and may lead to something dangerous.",
"There's a chrome and Firefox extension that adds the dislikes back using the YuoTube api if anyone is interested. I'm pretty sure the count is a few days behind l, but it's much better than nothing. \n\nhttps://www.returnyoutubedislike.com",
"https://ibb.co/xjWTPyj\r\n\r\nFun fact: the view/dislike count is 100% accurate",
"Quality of conversation on 4chan is fucking dreadful. The idea in principle is excellent, and if used maturely can lead to excellent discussion. But by the exact same token the principle of 4chan can be “abused” and thus lead to terrible discussion. Which is what unfortunately happens 99% of them.\n\nWith little to no moderation, complete anonymity, mostly no archive for accounts or threads etc... what these things mean is that people can shit post with complete impunity. And they do the vast majority of the time. What you’ll find is that often 4chan users will use other platforms to have “serious” discussion and then only come to 4chan to release their shit posting urges that they know are moronic and the lowest of low quality posts that they wouldn’t want associated with them.",
"YouTube show us the \"research\" mention....",
"So you are taking about companies getting content critical of their products banned from YouTube via bogus DMCA claims, right?",
"Trying to analyze this decision from YouTube using logic and reason in regard to the user makes no sense. \n\nYou have to look at the broader picture of what YouTube is becoming",
"This has been the thing for quite a while now. \n\nOne could say that it's been the thing for like 200 years even. Profit over people is basically what capitalism is",
"he literally made that point, what are you talking about?",
"This dude got signed by Youtube and then put out a video on how their decision was dumb and hurt the platform. \n\nMassive respect.",
"That seems exceedingly unlikely, that’s wayyyy bigger than his value.",
"I don't know that I'd call offering 720p video before YouTube \"innovative\". As far as I'm aware, Vimeo's main selling point had always been video quality when compared to YouTube, most of the time I was linked to Vimeo it was content from amateur/independent film makers and photographers. I doubt that offering 720p video was something that YouTube hadn't thought of or didn't have the technology to accommodate when Vimeo began offering it.",
"I think there are some 3rd party apps that still allow you to see upvote/downvote trends. Idk if it's cause there is some sort of API that gathers that info and it's still visible on the backend? \n\nEDIT: Just checked Youtube Vanced where I was able to see downvotes yesterday, now I can no longer see them. Is it a video by video setting?",
"They're just showing dislike count before they got removed\n\nEdit: Was wrong, just installed an extension and I can see the exact dislike count on the video.",
"I am utterly baffled by the people that don't care about this issue. Or even think it's a good thing.",
"it doesnt work, its just another cheap grab at youtube views. Has WAY MORE than 10861 dislikes XD",
"I happened to notice that a lot of CNN and MSNBC videos about vaccines/covid/politics are SEVERELY downvoted. Like 10%:90% upvotes to downvotes, I wonder if there is some political influence behind the decision to remove downvotes?",
"Build it into SponsorBlock and YouTube Vanced and there'll be enough users clicking buttons that we'll forget they ever removed dislikes to begin with lol",
"They have a plan for that, because you can save the L/DL ratio for videos that you can already see them on, and you can extrapolate dislikes by multiplying out the number of dislikes/likes extension users do by the total number of likes a video has.",
"From what I understand, Twitch let’s you sleep on stream now but only if it’s intentional. If you’re so tired you pass out on stream that’s a bad look for Twitch and can be a bit unsafe depending on the situation haha. Someone Ludwig (man in video) knows on Twitch (Mango) passed out drunk on stream and was banned for a week for that. Alcohol was involved so the situation is different, but I don’t use Twitch much so don’t know if anybody relevant has gotten in trouble for sleeping unintentionally.",
"> Profit-over-people, seems to be the thing nowadays\n\nWere you born yesterday?",
"> You do not get anything close to that by using an opt-in, third party app.\n\nThis is pretty debatable. The demographic for this app are people who care about having a good youtube experience meaning more prone to engage in ratings and comments. And also people who are more computer and internet literate.\n\nMost videos you're gonna watch aren't necessarily gonna have a larger dislike ratio. Although of course you can have troll bots who install this app just to skew the estimated dislikes by disliking every video making the extension unreliable. I can imagine google doing this but this is an insane amount of pettiness.\n\nA larger dislike ratio could very likely happen on videos with small amount of views. If this happens then we have an issue.\n\nBut you can always check the amount of likes per view instead and that will also give you a decent estimate of dislikes. The two aren't mutually exclusive.\n\nYou can always take a look at the source code https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike",
"Welcome to late-stage capitalism.",
"I've been on almost daily since 2005. I tend to stick to /pol/, /v/, /tv/, /lit/, /fit/. Which are some of the most popular boards. There are dominant thoughts sure, but I'm not arguing that, I'm saying that there is lot of dissent, and no devices to curb it. I mean, I'm a leftist that browses /pol/ daily... \n\nMy original post was that there are no corporate interests influencing visibility, and no mechanics influencing visibility. Here, since default sorting is by votes, and theres a downvote hide threshold, you are less visible if you are disagreed with. Even if you are disagreed with on 4chan, you are just as visible as everyone else. So there's no added mechanical system to boost the echo. You say that's a silly distinction, but I will say.. its not? Its an incredibly important distinction. Otherwise it's just how humans talk and interact in groups normally (though granted the internet is a safer place than reality, so consequences matter less).\n\nSo if you want to claim that all human groups are 'actually' echo chambers then sure, but i'll use echo chamber in the ways that makes the most sense - to keep it a term distinguished from regular group dynamics.",
"I could tell just from the title formats these videos are shit",
"Ok, but Coca-Cola has an app for their loyalty points program, are they a tech company? \nAMC has an app, my bank has an app, my credit card has an app, Wal-Mart and Target have apps now, but none of these are considered a tech company. \nIt's a stupid and arbitrary title at this point in technology is all I'm saying.",
"It means this video is so popular.",
">I tend to stick to /pol/,\n\nThis explains more than anything else you've written, and I now realize I've been wasting my time. I'd get further trying to demolish a brick wall by tickling it with a feather.",
">New videos won't get any values, even if they implement their own it'd just be data from people who have it installed which will be tiny as a large portion use phones, tablets, etc.\n\nYes, that's literally what they said they would be doing on the website.\n\nIt's not going to be accurate, but it's still better than nothing.",
"Who could've possibly known that allowing corporations to run the government would be bad?",
"Companies would rather not advertise than get downvoted to hell. At some point they forgot that (almost) all publicity is good publicity.\n\nAlso it's not just companies. Politicians were also getting pissy that they got downvoted into the ground. And you know who can regulate or even shatter Google...",
">Likes and dislikes actually say nothing about the video\n\nThis is true for highly controversial videos, but is much more useful for normal videos. One good example was Netflix's horrific mishandling of the movie Cuties, where their promotional material actually did the thing that the movie was critical of. Of the interactions it received, 96% were dislikes. In theory, Netflix could have taken that information and realized how badly they screwed up, pulled their promo, and started over. (In practice, Netflix actually just left it in place.)\n\nOn an individual level, if I see an hour-long video, I might use the like-to-dislike count to decide if the video is worth investing an hour of my time in. A friend recently suggested a creator who put out a 1-3 hour video about every year. The videos have 500k+ views, and about the normal 5% like rate, but if it had a high dislike count, I would not watch it, or I would watch other things first. If it had a low dislike count, then I would assume it was at least worth investing some time in.\n\nIt is not a perfect system, since someone might dislike a video due to a dislike on an opinion stated, the creator's voice, or even just a misclick. (Many of the \"most disliked\" videos are child's songs, where the dislike was either pressed by parents irritated by hearing the song so many times, or where the child just randomly pressed things on a tablet.) However, I would say the majority of the videos I watch, I would prefer to have the Like and Dislike count to take under advisement or ignore, rather than not even seeing the option.",
"Serious answer, no, it does not concern me. \n1. I don't use any of those but Reddit, and if Reddit fails, something else will come along. (I have used somethingaweful, fark, slashdot, digg, and I'll use whatever comes next) \n2. The reason many companies operate at a loss is for two reasons, first continuous growth, second, taxes.",
"This will likely get reversed after the rewind comes out, maybe sometime in the new year, but only on new videos. They won't be able show the dislikes on previously hidden ones because \"reasons\"",
"Possibly. Or maybe the average persons opinion is more in line with more conservative views. \n\nJust a thought.",
"Just going by titles tells you nothing. \n\nHere's a video with an even more clickbaity headline: [CAN ANGLE GRINDERS CUT WOOD?? (Tricks + Tips--Cutting Wood With Grinders)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Xn8t1OHmyk) But this video is actually decent and helpful, and won't seriously injure you if you follow the steps.",
"Is that Ludwig?",
"Didn’t think it would be that bad, I fucking hate it tho.",
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"Because all the magazines do it and there is no neutral alternative.",
"Why isnt there this much frustration over the removal the scoring from the Google App store?",
"Installed the Return YouTube Dislike addon, and although not perfect (admitted by the devs themselves), it does a good enough job as a substitute. \n\nWhat the guy in the video did and said, I really hope it reaches the corporate overlords and compels them to reconsider their numbskull moves, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.",
"OK, but have you like never seen this on Reddit?\n\nEvery day I see post on hot/popular with thousands of likes and you know how you can tell which of them is shit? You look at the comments.\n\nLikes/dislikes tell you nothing. People like/dislike incorrect shit all day long without even reading/watching the whole thing. The only way to really tell if content is reliable is in the comments...",
"Depends what you want for quality. I'd hope you would agree that it is the highest quality shitposting available at least.\n\nLongform discourse is definitely rarer, but you can usually find someone willing to go post for post with you. If you know which replies to ignore.",
"Lol it’s YouTube. They don’t need trust",
"The first thing I do when I'm looking at a video guide for a game, or a review for a product, is look at the like/dislike ratio. Chances are if the dislikes are at least half of the likes, it's gonna be bad.",
"\"Honestly, they didn't do that bad\"\n\n\"It was a $20 cut and I got a $20 cut\"\n\n\"In a pinch, I would come back\"\n\nHe went to the most disliked barber in LA and got a decent haircut. How exactly does this help his point that negative reviews are deeply important. It does more to do the exact opposite.",
"Nowadays? It has always been like that...",
"Let’s not act like we don’t know why they removed the dislike numbers for the viewers.",
"> \"Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master.\"\n\n-- Commisioner Pravin Lal, Alpha Centauri",
"Do people still use Yelp? I thought it had gone the way of apps like Foursquare.",
"Every time something like this comes up people start treating businesses like they need to be run like democratic governments. Maybe they should be but that's not the point. They are not. You don't have all the information that went into a business decision so stop acting like the goal of the company was supposed to be to make you feel warm and fuzzy inside. It wasn't. I guarantee you that not a single insight in this video wasn't considered by youtube and they went ahead and did it anyway. If you want to impress me try explaining the thinking that went into making what would surely be a unpopular decision. Try looking at it from the companies point of view, because that is what they are after all right? And not your center of the universe, privileged upper middle class, mommy's special boy point of view. Send hate mail care of: it's my money and I want it now 877-cash-now.",
"I don’t think YouTube has ever made a single change in response to community backlash. They are such a staple brand now that they know nothing they do will affect the company’s success, and so they can make terrible changes and be sure people will still come back to use the platform regardless",
"Ad hominem, association fallacy, appeal to ridicule, etc etc. But yes arguing with insane people for almost 20 years has made my tolerance very strong lol.\n\nAlright buddy, you do you! Your time on earth is so very valuable, don't waste even another second reading this, or I've won!",
"so you are choosing to ignore his point about the reviews then",
"Newgrounds.com is still amazing for animation (and games).\n\nAnd even their old flash content still runs great with the Newgrounds player. Extremely awesome community with plenty of handpicked and user voted content.\n\nNo algorhythms either.",
"I'm very besides myself on this video because I feel like it's an insanely ignorant statement.\n\nPeople do use reviews and ratings systems as a way of bullying individuals. At the same time, reviews do give feedback that helps people make decisions. I have two stories that support both sides which is why I'm so divided on this.\n\nThe first is about my wife who has been a veterinarian for 12 years and now owns her own clinic. She started her own clinic specifically because the clinics she had worked at in the past had such low standard of care that they always pushed her to practice inferior medicine. She booked based on visit with a bundle of services (hair trims, nail trims, vet visit, and a few other things) and her normal clients were willing to pay these fees. The places where you usually get rude customers are usually the emergency cases because with the exception of really old animals, most emergency cases involve people who couldn't afford the preventative medicine to prevent the most expensive procedures and so they are often more than willing to agree to bills but very unlikely to pay them.... so most emergencies get referred to an Emerg Clinic (who can handle it better)... most of these people won't even pay for the costs of stabilizing their pets and preventing them from immediately dying.\n\nSo we had one client coming in with a dog that was dying. Now this person didn't seem to be aware that their dog was dying, they were only aware that their dog wasn't doing well. COVID procedure is pretty simple, you can come into the clinic if you are wearing a mask to meet the vet but if not you just put your animal at the front door and a receptionist will bring it to the back. Most clinics have adopted this procedure to stay open as an essential service. He came in refusing to wear and mask and began going on a rant about how it's a civil rights issue and how he wouldn't put on a mask until we provided him with a HR Manual that said they're required (which from what I understand is something anti-maskers are claiming on the internet is something that is legally required... even though it's not). He began viciously coughing all over the place and ran into our surgical room and began coughing and spitting all over the place. The cops arrived and escorted him out, he left his dog there in a crate. The clinic had to be shut down and fully sanitized causing about 3 hours of lost revenues. Someone found his dog coughing up water, his lungs were filling up with fluid. He was stabilized and when this guy's girlfriend showed up we recommended bringing it to Emerg immediately. They didn't... the dog died at home.\n\nThe began writing posts on anti-masker groups (with a false story) and before long our little clinic had been bombarded with negative Facebook, Google, and Yelp reviews all with the same sort of messaging, that we were anti-freedom. If we weren't often overbooked we probably would have been ruined, we did notice a large number of cancellations after the review bombing happened and it took us almost three months to get rid of these reviews.\n\n**The second story** is about a fast lube place in town. My wife had just purchased a new Honda Civic and was informed by Honda Warranty that she could get oil changes done outside of Honda as long as they're done as the car directs her to. So we went to this fast lube place who insisted that we were leaking oil and that they could place on a clasp to fix this. I said no to this and that I'd take it to HondaCare where the warranty would cover it. Anyway so his staff put it on anyway (they felt like they had a moral duty to prevent a leak) and didn't charge me for it. Anyway the next day when my wife is coming home from work her vehicle begins to overheat and then steam is coming from it. We pull it over and decide we have to take it to Honda Care. The next day I limp it to Honda Care driving superslow and they inform me that a non-OEM Part was used on the car that invalidates my warranty and access to Honda Care, I now have to pay out of pocket. Apparently Honda only uses spring loaded things to reduce air pressure on hoses as the pressure builds up too much (which caused the overheating).\n\nAnyway so I called the company because maybe they had some workers who were exceeding their authority. I complained and they offered me 10 free oil changes (which still isn't enough to cover the loss of a warranty). Six months later my wife takes it in for an oil change and they offer her this clasp again which she turns down.... and they put on anyway. So we decide we're done with them. I put up my story on Google Reviews and pay Honda to take off the clasp again. We don't sue, but the guy claims that this negative review was going to destroy his business and that he'll pay for all future repairs on our car if I take it down.... which I reject and he actually has to shut down a year later.\n\nSo yeah..... I'm beside myself on this. **Obviously negative reviews are good feedback but are also a mechanism for bullying someone**.",
"garlicroastedpotato, I have been trying to reach you about your car's extended warranty",
"Maybe his raw numbers. It certainly depends what YouTube is going for. If they think he's the missing piece to draw more streamers over and start new streamers on YouTube gaming then they might be willing to pay that.\n\nHe's connected to a lot of groups of people and he can definitely be a big part of bringing over twitch culture which will encourage more people to start streaming on YouTube. That's the main aim. Once YouTube has nearly as much hours streamed growth as Twitch they will start to dominate the sphere just due to their overwhelming dominance with VODs and shorter form videos",
"This is why I'm glad I'm using [a Tampermonkey script](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/qtyn45/i_coded_a_userscript_to_restore_the_dislike/) that returns dislikes, and I looked into its source code. Unless YouTube removes the ancient deprecated value that hasn't been relevant since 2009, but still technically uses it for likes and dislikes, which would break YouTube Studio's representation of likes and dislikes, this should keep working after December 13th. It's off by, maybe 1-2 dislikes, based on floating-point precision errors.",
"im going off what ludwig said yesterday who was #6, much higher than summit and said there were two tiers. If someone was going to get the higher tier, it would be the guy with the all time record on twitch with the most subs. Disguisedtoast has confirmed the two tiers as well, who was also as big if not bigger than summit before he left twitch. I just haven't seen any streamer confirm ever getting something more than 3.50.",
"This should add a voting feature that allows users of the ext to vote (and have the vote recorded in the extension website, out of reach of Google). won't be perfect but hopefully will have a good signal/noise ratio",
"You just mad because your downvotes are canceled :) Unlike on reddit where whole tribes can gang and downvote just because they do not like your view point. Downvote bombing stifles free speech and that is your goal. To control thought and speech. I welcome the change on YouTube. It's time to take the power away from trolls. Reddit should be next. Check the downvotes under my comment to see my point. The people who downvoted this hate free speech and freedom of thought and views that oppose theirs. Reddit loves and supports trolls so it will always support and allow downvote bombing.",
"I have had a few trolls on my channel that I blocked from making comments so they take it out on me by downvoting but they are rare people that will do it for long.\n\nI suppose you could get a rival but they only have just one vote like everyone else and there are YT rules against attacking other creators channels and they will remove you from YT if you are using your channel to direct your followers to attack another channel so not a smart idea.",
"The guy's haircut is fine though? 5 stars.",
"No. I'm saying by getting a mediocre haircut, he's undermined his own point about the importance of negative reviews.",
"HubBub",
"That hasn't been a rule in a long time. People do \"sleeping streams\" all the time.",
"You're intentionally missing my point of even the last comment. /pol/ is the center of the hivemind echo chamber on 4chan. That you deny how much of an echo chamber 4chan is, but then say it's the board you frequent most regularly, says more about your position here than anything else you've written.",
"> There is **no way** YouTube did this for any other reason than protecting brands.\n\nit is common for tech companies to respond against brigading and youtube dislikes ARE a common target for brigading. I can quite easily fathom a product manager weaving the story that dislikes are not productive to show as it might stop brigading. \n\nI would personally fix the issue a different way i.e. ignore or scaling down dislikes where the user hasn't watched X% of the video.",
"I will 100% use that if it comes to opera",
"Yep. Maybe youtube will finally rethink its incentive for creators to make long videos...\n\nThere's finally concrete proof that long videos aren't the only, or best, way to boost watch time.",
"YouTube was fine before Google bought other than the whole they didn't make money thing",
"But see, covering up dislikes on all White House videos in 2021 is more important.",
"Nearly ALL of society is geared towards profit over people.",
"It doesn’t have to be. But people never learn and vote in Republican garbage who don’t even try to hide they will lie, cheat and steal and are only beholden to their donors. Every red state is in such poor condition except for the wealthy areas. \n\nAnything is better than a modern Republican.",
"I'm a piece of shit for commenting before finishing the video",
"Man I hope that much of their archiving is focused on various random tutorials",
"It is true. Ludwig is also a very talented business man and marketer, it doesn't surprise me he pulled such a big deal",
"It's disgusting that you're right.",
"Come on, everyone knows Mango was banned for being the sexiest man alive",
"It’s to protect the government, and big brands. Go to any White House video before and it was almost all dislikes because they lie and we all see it. No comments or and no dislikes means we can’t tell if what they’re saying is true or if we’re the only ones who dislike what they’re saying to us. \n\nThey say it’s to protect the users from seeing the dislike button and feeling bad, but they can see it through the creator dashboard anyways. Half the time I don’t even know if the video I’m about to watch is real or fake because I only see likes.",
"Copying a 2 kilobyte google maps link and pasting it into an SMS is fucking rerarded. Url shortners were made BECAUSE you could not easily share long links until now. Jobs was a mediocre designer.",
"Seems to be what happens to a lot of video hosting sites too. The people that migrate are usually extremists and stuff",
"By raw numbers that's at the very least 3x his value. He's talked pretty extensively about his income, and the total between Twitch and YouTube is definitely not more than 5 million a year (he said 1-10k/YouTube video and twitch stats were leaked). Like I get the growth possibility but nowhere near that number.",
"Search results are already annoying as fuck. Here's 12 videos related to your search, now four largely unrelated videos, now two more videos from your search, oh and now some random bullshit our algorithm thought you'd like but that has nothing to do with your search, and now you can see the rest of your results. Oh wait, here's some of your previously watched videos for some reason. Now have a few more results. Such a pain in the ass.",
"That's oligarchism, not capitalism. \n\nHaving a free market isn't the problem, letting corporations run everything is.",
"\"There is no such thing as a free lunch\" is a common phrase in the tech industry. It means if you don't pay for a service, such as YouTube, you're the product the servicer is offering to other agents. In this case, it's advertisers. Users create and watch content. This is generated activity. YouTube sells generated activity to advertisers. To say YouTube doesn't care about their users is like saying farmers don't really care about their livestock. To them, it's meat, money, and they tend to do the bare minimum in feeding and caring for them to keep them alive.",
"> There is no way YouTube did this for any other reason than protecting brands\n\nI just don't see how this is the case. Marketing departments have more in depth metrics than the number of dislikes. You think EA having the most downvoted comment affected the company in any real way? You actually think this was done because of YouTube Rewind dislikes? Get real. Stop being an unironic keyboard warrior.\n\n I believe this is a case of Hanlon's razor. They really do believe this is to protect creators.",
"I've never liked the idea of extrapolating dislikes, that's almost less information than not seeing dislikes at all. There's no way to reliably and accurately \"guess\" the number of dislikes on a video based on likes to views.\n\nSome videos or channels or even topics get differently skewed averages, and it's not something that can be accurately guessed. This isn't a Pythagorean problem, you can't D= V² + L² and expect it to be right, it's way more nuanced than that.",
"Nobody wants to be YouTube tbh. The infrastructure needed to process and multiple terabytes of video coming everyday is just outrageous. Pair this with the insane amount of bandwidth needed meaning you need to spread the load towards different data centers, and no CDN will take responsibility for YouTube levels of traffic so you'll have to build your own.\n\nEven without talking money, I think the number of companies with the technical expertise to pull it off can be counted on both hands.",
"This is exactly true. Vimeo is a more professional platform. I upload to both youtube and vimeo for my video work, and youtubes compression is just horrendous. My Vimeo uploads always look leagues above the youtube uploads. But its understandable why that is. Vimeo is *meant* to be as high quality as possible to share your professional video work. Youtube is more of a Social platform, quick uploads and easy embeds/sharability/playability. I hate sharing my work with youtube links, because they just look worse. I only upload there because its more of a social platform to get more eyes on it. My vimeo videos will pretty much only get the views from people who I directly send links to. Whereas my youtube uploads, I can just leave and never send to anyone and they will accumulate views.",
"spoiler alert- profit-over-people has literally always been the main 'thing.'\n\nlets not forget that slavery was a thing... literally people degraded to the level of property in the name of profits.",
">So the downvoters didn't watch the video fully either and are now downvoting the guy for that exact thing.\n\n\nI mean, it's reddit...",
"can you provide any source to anyone negotiating for more than the 3.50 per sub",
"Like how I don't get how people don't use the old mobile site (i.reddit.com, not to be mistaken with the image hosting i.redd.it). So much faster.",
"> Changing dislikes doesn’t change anything for advertisers.\n\nIt's not just advertisers but large studio content creators. These are becoming increasingly popular on YT as it becomes almost like algo curated TV. So when you have a large studio being downvoted by users for making shit content, it pushes away YT revenue partners. These studios ink huge deals with YT and bring in a lot of \"respect\" and \"maturity\" as brands, so attracting them is more important than small content creators.",
"There's so much bad or even straight up false information on tiktok that people just gobble up. It's a perfect source of horrible information.",
"There is literally no evidence tying that number to a deal that has already been (or will ever be) realized, nor is there any evidence tying it to him. We have absolutely no idea what he got, and if he was legitimately choosing between Twitch and YouTube, the deal can't have been even 10 million. Assuming the 2-3x number is correct from Disguised Toast, in order for remaining on twitch to be viable, the difference in deal value should be made up for in revenue generation differences, and Ludwig only earns ~2 million a year in revenue on Twitch.",
"the problem with this mentality is that yes eventually we will. \n\nyoutube is not that bad as a company, it wouldnt have survived so long if it was. there seems to be a pretty good amount of care going into the average persons experience. i know people like to bitch about a literally free service but at the end of the day, with adblock, youtube is probably one of, if not the, best place to get free media. \n\nthat being said, if youtube continues to make decisions that people take issue with, like ones that directly effect the platforms utility and the user experience, the balance will shift and they wont be able to win people back and will eventually have their userbase shrink to nothing. \n\nthink about how many alternatives there are to youtube as it is, all it takes is one of them to look like the better option and as long as it can keep up with the traffic, it could easily overtake youtube. will that happen tomorrow? no obviously not, but is it inevitable? probably yeah lol \n\nlook at spotify, they had enough money to pay joe rogan 100 million fuckin dollars to move to their platform. apparently more than youtube was willing to pay him.. and what did they get out of it? who tf uses spotify? maybe more people than you think. \n\nif youtube makes a few more really stupid and annoying decisions that tip the scales to the point that spotify has an opening to fill thats really all it would take for a mass exodus to occur. once they start losing other big creators is over.",
"Isn't that the deal with Tumblr ? As if, if you like something you'll share it, not just leave a like ?",
"I found my soul mate on Reddit finally.",
"You realize it could in fact be *less* accurate, right? You don’t see the issue with that?",
"or because its not true and you have no source",
"And you are intentionally missing my exact point in myself saying that I am a dissenter on /pol/, being that I am a pro-vax, anti-trump person, and dissent is common. And while I understand that there is a dominant view, I am allowed to post and dissent there, and I do often. And they all have to view my opinions. And many agree with me because... there are actually many types of people on /pol/. There's even usually a leftypol general thread up. That's like going to /r/politics and seeing a pro-trump thread at the top, or The_Donald and seeing a 'Why Hilary is Great' thread at the top.\n\nSo you're telling me I'm in one of the biggest hivemind echo chambers, when i'm literally there dissenting without being silenced, and without being hidden. I don't know how to help you if my direct daily experience counts for less than your assumptions.",
"> Now that users can not easily determine what videos are good or bad users have to trust youtube's recommendations and search results. \n\nThis doesn't really make sense because this is already the case. People already rely a lot on recommended videos.\n\n>And also why youtube has been pushing recommendation based feeds instead of the old chronological subscriber feed.\n\nHow? The subscriptions page is right there.",
"> YouTube could shit all over their advertisers and they would still spend money on YouTube.\n\nI know this first hand. Half of my videos would get rejected by Youtube / Google Ads for no reason; but that only means that I have to spend more time \"tricking the algorithm\" rather than go with an alternative.",
"Have you even tried watching any news outlet lately? There are no great sources of pure truth. All social media has bad info and you can easily check comments and use your brain to decide for yourself.",
"Well the Digg users did come over to reddit. I was here at near the start of reddit. Wasn't as well used as it is now. Digg was the popular site. Same as Myspace before Facebook.",
"Yes, exactly that. Call me cringey for saying this, but we'll be saved by Blockchain and NFTs via web3. Essentially, we'll have an internet that converts our activity into cryptocurrency which we will use to fund the sites we frequent. We'll take out advertisers and government from the content we cultivate ourselves, for ourselves. It may be a tech nerd's wet dream right now, but it's the revolution we desperately need.",
"you mean three people that are not partnered or streaming on twitch that provided zero evidence of anyone making 4 dollars per sub?",
"Digg to Reddit\n\nMyspace to Facebook\n\nIt happens",
"That is about to end, Japan just did a record-breaking internet speed of 319 terabits per second. ***\"That is about 7.6 million times faster than the average home internet speed in the U.S.\"***\n\nSo, in the future not distant anyone will make their own youtube service at home.\n\nhttps://bigthink.com/the-present/japan-internet-speed/",
"Oh wow I didn't know this existed. Makes it so I don't need to pinch zoom old.reddit slightly all the time, thanks!",
"Wait I think I understand what you mean. You mean that the ratio of unsuccessful tech companies to successful ones is 1000 to 1 on a good day, right? And you don't understand why those investors don't learn and stop doing it? \n\nJust wanna make sure I am interpreting right before I continue.",
"his point was that while decent, he could have gotten a much better haircut if he could have seen all the other 1 star reviews rather than that one 5 star review. he unknowingly went to the worst barber in town because he saw one good review",
"No it wasn't. Stop lying. Lmao this is such a brainwashed rage topic that every creator is hopping on because it's trendy.\n\nThis affects no one. For a while now you couldn't even see the likes and dislikes on a video when scrolling through videos... You could when you chose a video you thought looks good. If you're worried about quality of the video that usually can be determined by watching literally 5 seconds or skip ahead if you're *that* concerned about seeing a \"good video\" or not. \n\nYou're being told to outrage over something that never affected you",
"I think Amazon does that to some extent. When I tried to leave a 3-star review for some floor tape recently, they decided that I had violated the \"Amazon Community Guidelines\" and banned me from reviewing that product again:\n\n> Not very sticky | The adherence to my garage floor is disappointing, considering how much this cost. It is very smooth, and not gummy like duct tape. If packing tape won't stick to your floor, then don't bother with this stuff either.\n\nPerhaps I could have worded the review with a bit more tact, but it seems like they police lower ratings more aggressively.",
"What the hell does this mean if they are fake? Like paid ign reviews don't get alot of likes and you wouldn't watch it anyways?",
"SCP-[REDACTED]\n\nObject Class: Safe\n\n**Special Containment Procedure**: None required, object does not appear to have a physical manifestation\n\n**Description**: SCP-[REDACTED] is a pair of ordinary women's shoes that can be found on large number of online retailers. The shoes are available in a number of different sizes and always use the same set of accompanying photos [1], [2], [3]. Prices will usually range between $20 to $30 USD, or in the equivalent local currency.\n\nUsers are only able to rate the shoes the maximum rating value, or one value below that. On the popular well-known online retailer [REDACTED], all the reviews are 4 or 5 stars. Some of the reviews even comment upon the fact that they thought they clicked the 1, 2, or 3 stars, but the UI displays 4 or 5 stars.\n\nUpon further debugging all computing devices between the web browser and online retailer, it appears the rating values are switching at some random indeterminate point within the network. Multiple attempts at rating have shown this point to move. All network CRC and other error correcting checks continue to show no evidence of tampering.\n\nThe shoes themselves are produced by [REDACTED], and the owners [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] have been interviewed and have been determined to not be involved with this SCP in any way, shape or form. They have been encouraged to continue producing the shoe unaltered to ensure the SCP remains localized.\n\nTo date the shoe sells extremely well, however it has well-known defects that have been rectified in a new model ([REDACTED]). The new model has failed to reach the same sales success as SCP-[REDACTED].",
"So if this extension over-estimates the real number of dislikes, that’s a better outcome? Or under estimates it? Bad data is absolutely worse than no data. With no data, the user has to come to a conclusion on their own. This extension may actually spread significant misinformation. \n\n“It would be very unlikely to depart from the existing system…”\n\nNo. That’s not how things like this work. You’ll have absolutely no idea if that’s true or not, and I’d incredibly certain it won’t be accurate.",
"You couldn't even see dislikes and likes when scrolling through YouTube... God dam I hate these takes they're so void of real life application logic",
"https://youtu.be/pxBBx9UCDLE?t=2278\n\"two general splits that you have, one is a more like standard split, and one is a partner split\"\n\nhttps://youtu.be/6m5P_n5njCQ?t=214\n\n\"if youre a top tier partner you keep 70%\"\n\nyou're just wrong.",
">he unknowingly went to the worst barber in town because he saw one good review\n\nWhich ended up not being a big deal. Making all the negative reviews redundant.\n\nIf you're applying that same logic to Youtube comments, the hypothesis would be that the like/dislike ratio is also redundant and doesn't offer much of the insight he insists it is.",
"This is Amazon's Choice for people who read comments with the words \"op comment on the video is from Channel 5, which also brings up a good point. Profit-over-people, seems to be the thing nowadays, and in more than just YouTube. Amazon, Facebook, Google and many other are completely the same way.\" in them.",
"Yeah, for us users it was great but there was no revenue. At the time it was viewed as a risky purchase by google. Google Video was actually not bad, but it had that insipid corporate blandness they have about all their home grown services.",
"so there is also no point in hiding the bad reviews then? more work for no reason no?",
"The compression alone is leagues beyond YouTube, leading to huge upticks in pure video quality. Good for professional uses, but not as mandatory for recreational use.",
"An anecdotal example to give you an idea of why this won’t work — look at election polling. They often have huge samples of perspective voters, statisticians attempt to correct for confounding factors, and they still often are wildly inaccurate.",
"I had figured Rae was where that number came from",
"I didn’t realize the dislike button was back? Did it actually leave?",
"Last I read a comment saying it is political. Majority of political videos get disliked.",
"Really appreciate Channel 5 keeping it 55th Street on this matter.",
"The protection truly is for the younger creators and the potentially harmful negative feedback of being dislike bombed and the public embarrassment for that individual. It removes something toxic and a creator can still privately know their content isn't liked and improve it without feeling publicly ridiculed and scared to do so again at the risk of being dislike bombed. \n\nDislikes were not hurting profits in any realistic way for any company and is such a copout",
"That would help their video.",
"QTCinderella sort of leaked that it was $30million.\n\nIf the contract is for say 5 years, then $30 million would make sense based on him earning $2million a year on twitch.\n\nOver that same 5 year period assuming no growth he would get $10 million from subs, so $30 million is x3",
"Isn’t this the standard narrative on Reddit?",
"Youre paying for Amazon products not a YouTube video. Man these Reddit takes are god tier shit",
"I went to the neutral response video and it has hundreds of thousands of likes. I had assumed it would have been in the hundreds since that’s the joke. Then I found a comment saying what the likes and dislikes should be using some sort of add-on. The difference should put it in the hundreds, but website just shows the likes.\n\nEdit\n\nJust went to the Nintendo expansion pass video and it should have 180,000 dislikes or something. That video got ratio’d hard. Yup. It just shows the likes.",
">So if this extension over-estimates the real number of dislikes, that’s a better outcome? Or under estimates it?\n\nWell, by how much? Off by one? Not an issue. Off by a thousand? Even that might not be a problem if the video has millions of total views. What percentage relative to the viewcount/\"correct\" number of downvotes strikes you as being unacceptable?\n\nAlso, per your other comment, define \"wildly inaccurate.\"",
"I thought the title said “This video has 234 dicks.”",
"Ya....I instantly said \"wait a sec...\" and llooked up his \"This video has xxxx views\"",
"There are no great sources of 'pure truth' but comparing The Economist with some random nobody with a smartphone and pretending both have anything close to equal legitimacy is hilarious. \n\n>All social media has bad info and you can easily check comments and use your brain to decide for yourself.\n\nNo you can't, because most of the time the misinformation is shared in a algorithmic bubble.",
"Well I paused it after ten seconds, went looking for the OG video, found this comment, and then finished the video lol.",
"To me this is the most valid reason, but does anybody have others to add? It's really only affected me once so far and the reason comes off as more of a first world problem meme haha. \n\nI got excited to see this [trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYVz4RPyuDk) and after 4 seconds realized oh this is just spliced from Annihilation and completely fake... Usually I just look at dislikes and bounce.",
"Twitch is honestly worse, but it never really set the expectation of being better. It's run by a bunch of power-hungry admins that will ban people they personally dislike, and not ban people who repeatedly and flagrantly violate TOS (or worse). Twitch has no idea what it even wants to be at this point, and Amazon hasn't made much effort to drag it out of the gutter they found it in.\n\nThe fact that Twitch has continued to thrive while Mixer died off is pretty baffling.",
"Poor guy hasn't downloaded the youtube dislike extension",
"Yes.",
"Until 2040 when they disable views and likes altogether",
"Just knowing Facebook rakes in $$$ whenever we feel mad/angry makes me actively try to stay happy, lest they win.",
"No I agree his raw numbers aren't anywhere close to that. And the growth possibility isn't about him but other streamers. He's well respected in the community and guys like Tim the Tatman and NickMercs are relatively isolated which means they won't really help bring over other people in the new twitch LSF community. Ludwig will. Also tonnes of new streamers look up to him, and him being on youtube definitely helps promote the growth of the platform far more than a streamer who might have better numbers than him but be more isolated within the community.\n\nAlso 30 mil would be over the lifetime of the contract. Which I assume would be at least 3 years. For YouTube 30 million is almost literally nothing especially if they are banking on him essentially being the icebreaker for streamers who might he scared to move platforms without someone they can cooperate with already being there. Which I definitely think is the case. YouTube have started going after groups of streamers and Ludwig is connected to so many different groups that getting him basically gives them solid footing to start poaching more talent. That said I imagine that's the absolute top end of deals they are giving out and I would imagine Ludwig might be a slightly lower cost overall but given that they gave reduced streaming hours to him as well perhaps that's a sign they went to the ceiling in the monetary offer as well. \n\nPlus he's also been a large part of the higher quality content on twitch like with shitcamp, hivemind and the gameshow meta.",
"Yeah I agree the Economist is fantastic. How many average people subscribe to it? How is their video content? If you want to compare apples and oranges go ahead.",
"Actually, the people who downvote you just disagree with your opinion not the concept of free speech.\n\nBeing able to disagree with others is an important part of free speech.",
"Nope, you might get called racist",
"You mean in the same stream where she held a funeral for him? And had chat donate eulogies? I would hesitate greatly to take anything said on that stream for fact with no corroboration.\n\nAnd 5 years is entirely unrealistically long, I don't know of any streamer contracts longer than 2 years? Maybe 3 might happen, but certainly not 5. \n\nAnd the 3x is contract value, not total earnings. For the most part these contracts are on top of income from subs and such, not in place of it. \n\nAnd Ludwig has said that the choice was difficult. In order for the choice to have been hard even for a 5 year contract Twitch's offer would've had to be 15-20 million. No shot.",
"Well for awhile there it was “prophet over people“",
"Legal action? Defrauding investors is a pretty big deal.\n\nLying to the public is one thing (depending on what about). Lying to INVESTORS about performance indicators makes lawyers salivate, those are usually slam-dunk cases with huge payouts. Or even prison time - there's plenty of laws about this stuff. Companies go to huge lengths to avoid doing that, typically.",
"Fantastic documentary on it by Adam Curtis.\nContains footage that may be disturbing to some.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thLgkQBFTPw",
"Isn't that corrupt? Isn't that betraying the public's trust?",
"Yes also the whole \"knowing everything about the fears and desires of your geopolitical enemies and utilizing that information to microtarget propaganda and influence elections\" thing.\n\nTiktok knows what will engage you, and their AI is certainly going to learn from it.",
"Fuck ludwig he’s an awful person, anyone who tells his audience to fuck off and that he doesn’t give a fuck about them doesn’t deserve his place in life.",
"> Some have negotiated higher cuts especially some older streamers like Summit who have more leverage with twitch.\n\nYou keep saying this like repeating it will make it more valid. How does summit have more leverage than someone like Ludwig? Its why they had him host hive mind and not summit. \n\nYou have no proof that anyone is making more than 70% per sub.",
"Spotify is the closest app that could dethrone youtube. I know they are mainly audio, but they've added some podcasts in recent years so video is a possibility.",
"Yeah, so you're saying that Ludwig will be able to triple his personal value in people whom he is able to entice over to the platform just by being there. That personal value that is itself amongst the highest on the platform? No human in their right mind would believe that. It's just fantasy.",
"I had so many people insisting it was the government, despite money talking and company videos get far more views and dislikes than some crappy Whitehouse account's slideshow could get.",
"I'm actually going to miss the dislikes, because as someone who's into \"bad corporate media\" how I'm supposed to know what things to spritely support to piss off reactionaries?\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI didn't know that the new Seth Rogan holiday movie, Santa Inc, was pissing off white dudes because of a joke about privilege, and because I didn't have Twitter, I didn't know it caused a shit storm due to lack of dislikes and comments, have I not gone to TV Tropes randomly, I probably would have missed it and just, kind of ignored it",
"*Gilfoyle entered the chat*",
"I think the guy was referring to Ludwig's move to YouTube.",
"I like this guy. The haircut was 4/5 stars, way better than expected.",
"What administration? Would you have liked the last one \"Taking back control\"?",
"That certainly is the case. \n\nExample: our president is conservative\n\nAnother example: conservatives historically win the popular vote every single time",
"There are specific edge cases where dislike counts are beneficial, but overall YouTube is right, the removal of the counts improves more than it hurts, as confirmed by their testing prior to making the decision.\n\nYouTube may have discounted how much attention and money people can make with silly complaint videos, but who can predict silly videos?\n\nHeck the author wanted to make the point that IF the only purpose of YouTube was to rate services for sale then the dislikes are necessary? Instead he proved that the dislikes don't actually have much relevance, because he got good value from a heavily disliked hairdresser.",
"Seriously. I dont know how many people on Amazon give a one star review because of delivery complications or their dumbasses not understanding exactly what it is they ordered. Instead of reviewing the actual product. \n\n*\"this cpu arrived TWO DAYS LATE and it didn't even fit my motherboard. HORRIBLE. I'd give it 0 stars if I could\"*",
"\"There's no end to what you can do when you don't give a fuck about particular people\" \n\n\n\\-Louis CK",
"Idk if you’re being sarcastic or this is a jab at the Democratic Party being fairly conservative in the grand scheme of things. \n\nIn either case I believe the majority is rejecting far left ideals.",
"Yes. Don't comment, don't upvote, don't downvote, try not to think about it at all and certainly don't name names. All publicity is good publicity to them and they invite all kinds of negative engagement because it spreads the word just as well as positive engagement.",
"Or do yourself a favor and get this extension on chrome. [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi/related](https://discord.com/channels/168439101383639040/168439101383639040/915265440312336446)",
"Brands and political parties. I suspect the latter was the bigger driver.",
"And he even talks just like Tom Scott. He is the American Tom Scott.",
"Someone’s gonna say Bitchute.\n\nDon’t. Get the hell away from there.",
"People dont want to admit it but alot of these bad business decisions are politically motivated, we dont realize it because they are american companies but theyve always been beholden to china before america, alot of these decisions make sense when you see it as more of fuel for a fire thats burning elsewhere, in other words trying to rile people up who are already agitated",
"I don’t understand how people use the new layout. Old Reddit is superior.",
"Congratulations! You represent the tiny, incredibly infinitesimal section of the board!\n\nYou can sort Reddit in a way that dissent ends up at the top of the page. And 4chan posts do end up being sorted, when people stop engaging or don't engage with a post. Again, you're dredging up arbitrary reasons to justify one website over another. And again, I have said that 4chan is *less* conducive to echo chambers than other sites.",
">There is no way YouTube did this for any other reason than protecting brands.\n\nI dislike the removal of dislikes as much as everyone else, but I have no idea how this narrative got circulated around. Somehow Reddit gets the idea that every corporation is automatically friendly to every other corporation. Youtube doesn't make money off of \"protecting brands.\" Youtube makes money by showing people ads. Youtube is doing this because visible dislikes discourage people from watching videos, which cuts ad revenue. Hiding dislikes ensures that people will watch more Youtube videos and more ads. It's that simple.",
"Likes and dislikes are already only selected from a pool of people that have accounts and press those buttons. With this extension you simply reduce that pool to the people that have an account, use like/dislike buttons, AND have that extension. It may result in different like/dislike ratios on videos because it is a different group of people. And lets be honest, what matters is the ratio, not really the actual number of likes/dislikes.\n\nExtrapolating from a small subgroup can be very powerful, even with small samples you get a really good representation of the larger group. The issue comes from biases in that subgroup (e.g. you poll people that are more likely to give answer X).\n\nThis extension will filter out the more casual Youtube users, so ratios will differ for sure. But this should not change the usefulness of the information we can obtain. There will not be any wrong information, just different information than before.",
"...for existing videos that were cached. It's way better than nothing, but we're basically SOL for new content right?",
"I’d argue one other reason is to increase the number of videos people watch to increase ad revenue. If you can’t find a good walkthrough or tutorial you’ll have to watch more videos to find a good one or the one you need. It’s a tactic to increase money and increase the amount of time you spend on YouTube.",
"I'm disliking every YouTube video from now on.",
"Pretty sure only a brand with more clout could actually make it happen. Fortunately, there’s one video platform out there that already has as much or more clout than YouTube. Can you guess it? Hint: it starts with “p” and ends with “hub.” And they could easily be the saviors of the free internet.",
"Thank you.",
">More leverage relative to the time in twitch's history.\n\nThey renegotiate contracts all the time. They let timthetatman go so twitchs history means nothing and doesn't indicate they'd give summit any special favors. \n\n>Also they literally just let ludwig leave so clearly they didn't value him that much.\n\nThey let valkraye go, they let ratedepicz go, they let lord kebun go, they're going to let ramee go in the next few days. Literally means nothing. \n\nChrist, tyler1 has more pull than he does. twitch sent him a full gaming trailer for glitch con. Christ, they sent Valkyrae a trailer for glitch con and she had already left for youtube at that point.\n\nSummit is old school, that doesn't mean he gets 80%. Your opinion on this is literally based on your gut and not facts.",
"People *are* bad at nuance and gravitate towards polarizing views that minimize cognitive dissonance, but I think in this context it's mainly that our strongest opinions (our 1 and 5 most-loved and most-hated purchases) are the things we're most motivated to review.",
"You asked for his opinion you fucking retard.",
">But thats not time > money, its 8 hours > $100. What if it was a choice between 8 seconds and $100? Would time still be > money?\n\nI'm taking something to what's close to the average exchange rate for time and money in developed countries.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Also wtf sort of youtube videos are you watching? We're talking youtube videos vs amazon purchases. You might very well make a $100 amazon purchase, but you certainly aren't watching an 8 hour video without realising its shit.\n\nI might make a $100 amazon purchase based solely on amazon reviews once a year (most of the time at that price, I actually know what I want before even getting to amazon, and if I need to compare products, I'll use external more in depth reviews, especially if we're talking about tech).\n\nBut I will watch youtube videos that I think will help me maybe 50 to 100 times a year. And these usually run from anywhere between 10 minutes to an hour long.\n\nNot to mention, if I'm not happy with an online purchase, I can send it back and get my money back. If I go through several unhelpful videos and ruin an evening, that's it, there's no getting it back.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>And honestly, if you're not living paycheck to paycheck thats an even weaker argument, because now you're choosing to trade away your time for money you don't explicitely need.\n\nThat's exactly what I'm saying. I wouldn't trade my time for the money. Didn't you read me? I'll quote myself : \"Time > Money\".",
"But that’s just like, your opinion man",
"That's literally the plot line of a Black Mirror episode",
"Uno mas",
"Possibly, but I doubt it. They announced it to everyone so it wasn't like they were trying to hide it from people.\n\nIt's more likely a form a Quality / Usability Control for software and more and more major software companies are taking this approach. \n\nMicrosoft, for example, does this all the time with windows updates. Facebook does this as well. When your user base is 10, breaking 10 computers with a bug is not all that bad. When your user base is millions - or hundreds of millions in Googles case, breaking YouTube for 100s of millions at once is obviously a problem. Safer to roll out in phases.\n\nThat said, certainly, part of that is to also evaluate user feedback and perhaps, more importantly, find un-intended consequences from a feature you launched. If it's one thing users are good at, it is breaking software or features in ways no one could have ever predicted.\n\nSo besides the software breaking problem, Google likely was evaluating the reception of the feature. More specifically, they were probably trying to evaluate if that would lead to more toxic behavior (such as users flooding the comment section to say \"I DISLIKED THIS\"... though that is too generous for YT comments... it would more likely be \"U fukin sux looser\"). and yes, I intentionally mis-spelled loser.",
"In other news, business likes money\n\nMore at 5",
"Isn't that the point though? If someone has dislikes turned off it would be the same to me as having a full dislike bar. If you are making good content or have good information, prove it with a small dislike bar.",
"That makes sense, thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed response!",
"As a creator, you still get to see your dislike ratio though, so this change isn't affecting you nearly as much as it is the consumer. Sure, there will be less people disliking videos than before because they won't see what they're contributing to, but at the same time you won't have the mob mentality downvotes either.",
"China so scawy!",
"Nope.\n\nWhat I just stated was a fact, Lebowski.\n\n\nYou asked for his opinion and then pretended like you were confused when he gave it.",
"I love this.\n\n> I'm taking something to what's close to the average exchange rate for time and money in developed countries.\n\nBy even acknowledging such a thing you've completely undermined your point.\n\n> if I need to compare products, I'll use external more in depth reviews, especially if we're talking about tech).\n\nSo what you're saying here is that if something costs more money you'll spend more of your time researching it?\n\n> if I'm not happy with an online purchase, I can send it back and get my money back.\n\nA process which takes time, so once again.. you are valuing time over money, but spending time to get your money back.\n\n> I wouldn't trade my time for the money.\n\nI read what you said, and it disagrees with this statement. You work for money, you spend time researching to save yourself money, you spend time processing through refunding and returning faulty goods.. to get back money. On multiple occurances you're admitted that you're valuing money > time.. all while professing the opposite.",
"There’s browser extensions that undo this.",
"Capitalism moment",
"Google is a public company, they have to maximize profits or get some investors angry",
"You still get a like/dislike ratio from a different group of people. Instead of voting Youtube users it's gonna be voting Youtube users with that extension. It's just a different subgroup of people whose opinion is displayed.",
"Did he literally copy red shirt guy word for word? Wtf?\n\nEdit: I was at work and only watched the first 20s. I feel stupid\n\nhttps://youtu.be/BxV14h0kFs0",
"> Profit-over-people\n\nWhich is amusing since it's likely that they'd make more money in the long term if they focused more on user experience.",
"Exactly. No one is going to Vimeo because it has %.01 of the content YouTube has. Call me back when Angry Video Game Nerd and Ola Englund are on uploading on Vimeo and we'll see lol",
"Tom Scott did it first.",
"YouTube Gaming doesn't need people to bring viewers it needs people to bring legitimacy as a serious streaming platform. And yes Ludwig could bring that. As could probably someone like Mizkif or Sykkuno. Maybe hasan. YouTube Gaming needs someone to guev them the opportunity to bring in new streamers ones who don't have platforms because always poaching people from twitch isn't sustainable. It needs to establish itself as having a good streaming culture and be a place where people can start out and be successful. And Ludwig will be a big factor in that.\n\nWe will see eventually whether the strategy works for YouTube. But it's pretty clear what they are aiming for and they are probably willing to pay the big bucks to do it.",
"Do you know the difference between technical and anecdotal? Imagine a world based only on people’s opinions. Just because buddy is opinionated doesn’t mean there is anything actually wrong with the haircut, especially considering it is a $20 cut. Technically there is nothing wrong with the haircut for that price but our egos would probably say otherwise. It’s fucked up to think you’ll get a nice fade for $20 lol",
"It seems like you don't know much about vimeo tbh. They serve their niche well, they don't have the same objective as YouTube.",
"Even with these you can see the impact the dislike removal has had. Every video I've checked that was posted after the change has next to no dislikes. People just don't bother if they know other people can't see it anyway. Still, thanks for the links. Fuck Youtube, Google, and Alphabet.",
"Lol they dont care, this doesn't harm them at all.",
"Without dislikes being displayed the flame wars in comments will be even worse, further polarizing discourse and increasing divisiveness.",
"I mean, I'm a YT Premium member and haven't watched an ad on YouTube in probably 10+ years. I know it's not for everyone, but if you watch YT a lot and are seeing that many ads, it's surely better to just become a premium member right? The membership also comes with YT Music which also prevents me from needing to pay for another music service like Spotify or something. So in my eyes, it's a decent deal.",
"Not heard of SponsorBlock before. Thank you",
"the top comment from Channel 5 is really in point too: \n\n\nChannel 5 with Andrew Callaghan:\r\r \n\"Idk if we'd even be able to make our show without the YouTube tutorials we've used to learn new equipment and troubleshoot software. Hopefully they revert this decision. It seems like a short-sighted profit-over-people maneuver– the kind that we're all too familiar with.\"",
"Him saying general rule is not him saying people make 80%. \n\n> keep pretending that your right.\n\nthe irony coming from someone that has posted zero sources this entire time",
"Just to add onto this, YouTube Vanced still has dislikes as well, though it's only available on Android, not iPhone. There's a subteddit for it, belive it is r/Vanced or something like that.",
"Even now their bitrate is so much better than Youtube",
"You literally asked him to give his opinion and then pretended like he was being an asshole for giving it.\n\nYou asked for it. Literally.\n\nI'll quote you.",
"\"Quick everyone is eating more bread hours than watching Youtube!\"\n\nNext day...\n\n\"Ok, so it was hard, first we turned Youtube into Ticktok to beat Ticktok, and now the coders have turned Youtube into bread... best thing since sliced bread!\"",
"I can see the dislikes because I installed a chrome extension that re-unlocks it, So far siting at 12.3K dislikes. For how long this is gonna work have no clue.",
"A niche doesn't mean overwhelming success. They're not fit to takeover Youtube. At least not at the moment.",
"Right so that would be a “no” you don’t understand, thanks for your time!",
"How would the view requirement stop anyone from uploading family and friends videos?",
"Bury your head in the sand if you must.\n\nYou're still a cunt for treating that guy like he did something wrong.",
"That’s… blatantly untrue? Also, why are you making assumptions about other people’s experiences? It’s not like searching YouTube for tutorials, lessons, academic help, troubleshooting help, product reviews, etc is all that uncommon. And indeed clickbait, misleading videos, anticlimactic videos, bogus sponsors, etc are all pretty common - you can’t always know if a video is interesting, accurate, or generally what you’re looking for in the first 5 seconds or sometimes even the first 5 minutes. If you regularly use YouTube, this almost certainly affects you. I know that I quite often use YouTube to help me with academic problems and electronic problems, and I oftentimes use the like to dislike ratio to judge whether or not the videos I find are useful to great effectiveness. Now I can’t do that anymore without a browser extension that’s only approximate. \n\nIn short, there’s no need to be an asshole just because you personally don’t understand and are not affected by a given topic.",
"Look, whether it's a good or idea or not is not what we're talking about. I couldn't give a fuck either way.\n\nWhat I'm saying is, if this guy wanted to show how important negative reviews are, he should have gotten a categorically bad haircut. All he's done here, is diluted the idea that negative reviews are important by making them appear not very important at all.",
">why is it such a unbelievable claim that they would go up for certain streamers?\n\nBecause there is no proof that this has happened. Ludwig is arguably a much bigger streamer than summit, hosted Twitch Hive Mind, part of the majority of Twitch Rivals, pretty much the perfect brand friendly family streamer (isn't smoking out of his 'vase') and he wasn't pulling in 80%. \n\nYou are giving summit way too much credibility in the eyes of twitch. Several top tier streamers have confirmed they get the higher of the two tiers. If ludwig wasn't pulling in 80%, the people below him aren't.",
"Lol says the privileged folk with strong opinions of others. I think it’s time for your meds",
"You are correct.\n\nSorry, I was more referring to the “downvote-mob phenomenon” part of your comment. In that case, wouldn’t studying the sample size yield a more reliable result?\n\nAlso, from my experience with similar addons, the user base can definitely be significant. Especially for more technical subjects like software tutorials, etc.",
"> he trick is to do evil \n\nOk, I know this is a super unpopular move by youtube, but holy fuck is this getting hyperbolic. Let's reserve the \"evil\" label for murderers and rapists and the like, shall we?",
"If everyone leaves youtube to go host content on tiktok instead, then it can only be a win even with how bad tiktok is. When you live by the sword, you die by the sword.",
"I agree. YT recommendation algorithm is the worse of any I've ever seen.",
"I don't think the downvoting should be removed.\n\nHowever, there has been a lot of politically motivated trolls on all social networks that are using downvotes and making false reports to get people removed from social networks including YT and Reddit.\n\nSo it can happen and YT is trying this to stop the trolls I think.\n\nYT doesn't want to ban the trolls because they are still viewers and they only exist to get views for advertising so this is how they are dealing with it.\n\nYT has paid a big price for censorship like other social networks so this may backfire on them.",
"I didn't express my opinion on the haircut either way.",
"I didn't say it did? I'm not suggesting Vimeo takeover YouTube, all I'm doing is challenging your assertion that Vimeo sucks.",
"This helped validate the “Return YouTube Dislike” plug-in’s accuracy for me.\nThanks!",
">And 5 years is entirely unrealistically long, I don't know of any streamer contracts longer than 2 years? Maybe 3 might happen, but certainly not 5.\n\nThey don't announce the details of the contracts, but it's Youtube so he's likely going to get a bigger audience and since he makes most of his money from sponsorships it's likely a win win for him.\n\nWasn't Ninja's contract for 3-5 years? I get that Mixer tanked, and e got out after less than a year but it was still a pretty lengthy contract.\n\n>And the 3x is contract value, not total earnings. For the most part these contracts are on top of income from subs and such, not in place of it.\n\nYeah, but since the majority of streamers income from Twitch comes from free Prime subs, its essentially amazon footing the bill.\n\nYoutube doesn't have this sort of incentive program so my guess is they're going all out on these megadeals to get the streamers over.",
"Or microsoft and Internet Explorer until Google Chrome came in.\n\nExcept time is a flat circle and now chrome dominates the internet the same way IE once did...",
"If it wasn't so shit I would suggest https://storyfire.com/",
"> And you know who can regulate or even shatter Google...\n\nnobody? Like hell politicians are going to regulate google because of dislikes on youtube videos, what a dumb take.",
"lol what? Watching summit play sea of thieves is probably some of the highest hours I have on twitch. Can you quote me where I said I hated him?\n\n>Anyway sure keep backpedaling after linking an example of a big streamer acknowledging that their exceptions to the tiers.\n\nYou think him saying there are two general splits, confirmed with the video from toast saying there are two splits means he said theres exceptions?\n\nIs english your first language?",
"No but you sure expressed your opinion about me, insert r word here haha. Good ol hypocrites",
"Didn't think RES by itself blocks the ads. When I turn off my adblocker with RES on it shows the promoted posts. Maybe I'm missing a feature, but my adblock takes care of it anyhow.",
"Jannies removed the comment above, what is the addon?",
"So putting out video full of misinformation that gets 100% upvotes is ok? That is the worst possible outcome. I would rather videos get too many downvotes than to let potentially dangerous misinformation get away with a pristine 5 star rating.",
"when has he done this in a serious manner? He's easily one of the top creators on the internet.",
"What did I say that was hypocritical?\n\nDo you know what that means?",
"YouTube has lost their way. So had Google, and Facebook and all these pos companies",
"By wildly inaccurate you mean they are off by maybe 5%. 10% for an extremely poor poll. Youtube videos are not as important as voting so I am personally fine with 10%. At least it is some information rather than blindly giving everyone a perfect rating.",
"Such bullshit.\n\nSorry, we're talking about videos, not food or barbers, where the consequences could last for days or weeks.\n\nYou all really decide not to watch a video because it had dislikes?\n\nI call bullshit.\n\nAnd I know this is an unpopular opinion. I don't care. I have not yet seen anybody make a valid argument for keeping a downvote count.\n\nIt's negativity for the sake of negativity, because y'all like to wallow in mud.\n\nIt's sick, imo.\n\nIf you don't like a video in the first couple minutes, sure, move on. But judging by downvotes? I don't believe you move on. I think you'll watch to see what the hate is about. And then you (statistically speaking) are likely to contribute more hate.",
"That goes without saying these days, racist.",
"Can we maki it a 1234",
"You’re also a cunt, I won’t deny I’m not. Maybe it’s me being an ass assuming you don’t know you’re a cunt though. Judging by your comment history I think it’s pretty clear",
"If you're an Android user then Vanced has it built-in also.",
"It **could** be yes, but it is more likely that it will be more accurate. I don't want to hide information just on the chance that it could be manipulated to be bad...when youtube is already 100% manipulating the votes to appear in one direction.",
"He was being cagey in his answer because he didn't want to state the exact amounts because he didn't want to burn his bridges down with Twitch. Which is why he got shot with the paintball gun after. Because he didn't give a clear answer. \n\nI figured you'd have watched the video to understand what he was doing but that would be giving you more credit than you clearly deserve.",
"Honestly, I don’t EVER check or care about the likes and dislikes on a video.\nI just watch the thumbnail, title and see if I like it for myself. If it’s bad, I stop and move on. If it’s good I’ll watch till the end or till I decide I’m no longer interested. If it’s brilliant, and I’ve seen some other content from that creator, and I think to myself « hey I want to know when that person does more stuff », I sub.\n\nmaybe I’m weird, but likes is just something I can’t be bothered about.",
"1 star and 5 star reviews are garbage to base assumptions about a product, or business. Just like Like and dislikes are a bad way to gauge if a video is good or not. I'd rather see a different rating system in place. I've never looked at the likes or dislikes to decide to watch or video or not before so it makes no difference to me if its there or not.",
"Well they can’t let him go without breaching the contract right?",
"I have worked as a software engineer at one of these big companies on a digital product/service that none of you would think is profitable, but it is. Apple/Microsoft don't only make money because they sell physical products. I think a lot of these kinds of articles and writers don't think about other ways of generating revenue like b2b. For example, google maps doesn't ostensibly make money because they don't charge anything for it for normal users and with GDPR laws, there's a lot less of your information they can sell about the users. However, they can sell a service like logistics or travelling salesman to fedex or ups or even amazon so that those companies can save money/time on transportation costs or offer better service.",
"As terrible of a method, i'd have to say, even if the content is good, the only real way to judge a video now is if the comments are on but aren't filtered or need approval by Channel to be shown. If none of that is available, i'll just be going to dislike and skip the video and mess with the recommended algorithm.",
"lol, taking it into account with what toast and every other streamer has disclosed, theres two tiers. but i know what you can't do, and thats provide any evidence that anyone is getting 80%.",
"If you like this, also check out \"Bitter Lakes\" & \"Century of the Self\" by Adam Curtis",
"South Park \"Safe Place\" song sums it all up",
"The \"downvote-mob\" argument is bullshit coming from Youtube, and it's especially bullshit here as the extension won't affect the Youtube algorithm itself. Downvote mobs prevent videos from gaining traction, the extension has no effect on what Youtube features, only what you see once the video has already shown up.\n\nThe use case people want in 99% of cases will be to combat misinformation, and the extension serves that purpose fine. 80% of the extension viewers downvoting on a how-to video clearly shows something is likely wrong in the video and to take the advice with a grain of salt. How does a false positive coming from this hypothetical, unsubstantiated \"downvote mob\" prevent this use case from working?",
">By even acknowledging such a thing you've completely undermined your point.\n\nAbsolutely not. I'm simply talking about our relation to time and money in modern society. And of course, it will be different if we earn $1 and hour compared to $1 million dollars an hour. But right now, as it is in 2021, I still 100% firmly stand behind this, time > money.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>So what you're saying here is that if something costs more money you'll spend more of your time researching it?\n\nYes. You don't ? I invested a lot of my time to earn this money. What I get in exchange for it must be worth it.\n\nNow, if I was rich to begin with, and didn't have to work these long hours, and it was just \"money\", money that was there, available for me to use with no relation to time at all, then yeah I wouldn't care nearly as much, and I would probably just buy whatever looks good enough.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>A process which takes time, so once again.. you are valuing time over money, but spending time to get your money back.\n\nYes, because it takes me 8 hours to earn $100, and 10 minutes to get to my post office and send back the item that has no use to me. So by doing this process, what I will have saved, is time and/or money, depending on the angle you look at it.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>I read what you said, and it disagrees with this statement. You work for money, you spend time researching to save yourself money, you spend time processing through refunding and returning faulty goods.. to get back money. On multiple occurances you're admitted that you're valuing money > time.. all while professing the opposite.\n\nOnce again, no. If you believe that I have admitted money > time on even one occurrence (let alone several), then you haven't understood what I said.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>I love this.\n\nWhat do you mean? Me answering you? Ok...",
"If they really cared to do it right. They could have got rid of the like/dislike being visible alll together. Just make it invisible to everyone totally and use the buttons to give metrics to the creators.\n\nAnd for fake tutorials or bad misinformation, perhaps have a report function that triggers it to be reviewed and maybe have a disclaimer over the video that it may be misleading... Of course this would ruin the infinite solutions videos....",
"So?\n\nMe being a cunt doesn't mean calling you a cunt is hypocritical.\n\nWe can both be cunts.",
"And I'm saying it's not a tiny section of the board. Neither of us have stats, but ive been in tinypoll threads and political compass threads, and its varied from my experience, not to mention the replies and general posts ive seen. But you're free to contradict with your own personal experience.\n\nIt's not arbitrary. It's my preference. That's how the whole comment got started. I prefer full visibility where any comment has just as much chance to be viewed as another. I don't like mechanics specifically designed to hide unpopular opinions. I consider that a real echo chamber, as I like terms to have a useful meaning.\n\nI don't know what your real point is. That every platform no matter what you do slightly favors some discourse over another, so we might as well just have mods hand select one message a day for us to ingest, cause the degree doesn't matter at all??",
"Let’s",
"Not really. We aren't the customers for youtube. The advertisers that use the site are.\n\nAnd you might say \"well if users leave then advertisers won't pay for the platform\" and that's very true, but where would users go? There is no other easily accessible, convenient video sharing platform. They have the market cornered and know it, that's why they don't give a shit about user experience.",
"That’s one aspect of it. More of a positive side effect for Google and brands. A bigger side effect, and what I believe is the true reason behind the decision, increased revenue overtime for Google. Users can no longer simply bypass a video with a bunch of dislikes to find the content they want, they’ll have to sit through that garbage content to make their own determination. Longer time spent with a video and especially interaction with the video itself (scrubbing) increases as serving opportunities and ultimately ad revenue for Google. This has a benefit for brands which is a positive side effect, but the true intent behind this is to increase the amount of time you spend on YouTube to find the droids you’re looking for. Helping you easily access the correct content is opposite to Googles bottom line. Always follow the money kids!",
"Comments are going to have to be more scathing than ever before. Until they decide to remove those too. For our safety, of course. /s",
"Bruh that cut is so bad, that fringe all uneven",
"Fox wasn't always so big though. Making fun of the network you are on is more funny when your network is genuinely a shithouse, which Fox used to be.",
"Damn poor Ludwig\n\nOne day with Youtube and he already lives in his car",
"another step towards information chaos",
"why are people so hung up on seeing dislikes?",
"Bruh. You can buy views, likes and dislikes for very cheap. Google it.",
"Yeah, but who is he and what's he famous for?\n\nI still remember when everyone thought the Kardashians being famous was a dumb joke. Well, look at us now. We have like 100000x kardashians\n\n[edit: sorry I don't know your famous guy.](https://imgur.com/a/zqRuvvN) ^^not ^^actually ^^sorry, ^^though.",
"It's pretty useful on mobile. Especially when the URL ends up with all sorts of dumb shit I'm too lazy to cut out.\n\nShare > Choose app (discord, messenger typically) > choose person > submit",
"Just install the Browser Addon: \n[Chrome Addon to see Youtube Dislikes again](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-dislike-button/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi/related)\n\n[Firefox Addon to see Youtube Dislikes again](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-youtube-dislikes/)",
"(Can't watch the video right now, so sorry if what I'm asking is talked in the video)\n\nI'm just trying to understand something about why people are getting so upset: For me, Youtube taking away the Dislike button is them trying to adapt to the current industry standards. Obviously it's something that benefits some more than others, but the biggest social media platforms like Twitch. Twitter, Instagram and Tiktok don't have a dislike button (and as far as I know they never have), and I've never seen people specially sad for that.",
"This is crazy, do you actually think you're arguing time > money? Because.. its not.\n\nYou keep saying you are, but everything you're saying is disagreeing with you.",
"Exactly this. It is pure bullshit. We need a new video platform.",
"ME NO LIKEY, TRASH CONTENT, This video makes me want to commit no life, these are all\\* viable alternatives.",
"Watch the misinformation campaign get way more out of control after this lmao, what a bunch of jackasses!",
"i got extension for dislikes",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludwig_Ahgren No one expects you to know everyone, but it takes 2 seconds to look someone up.",
"When of course is says \"3 means yiur expectations were met\". My company has the same issue with the review process. A few managers would give everyone 5s across the board. But 4 means you exceeded the requirements by a decent amount and 5 means you did something WAY beyond the requirement. You average employee should be averaging a 3, not a 5.....",
"As a left-winger myself, I don’t hate-watch conservative content to downvote it or whatever. I just don’t watch it, and I imagine that’s true for a lot of other lefties.",
"We all know the worst barber shop was a Super Cuts.",
"I wish. Vimeo uses higher quality encoding and has looser rules on what can be uploaded. If it gained immense popularity it would be short lived since advertisers want no profanity or mature content. But it would be awesome up to that point.",
"Isn't this the guy that went from twitch to youtoob?",
">This doesn't really make sense because this is already the case. People already rely a lot on recommended videos.\n\nYes, So it's working. This is obviously not the first or only thing they did to make people rely on recommended videos.\n\n\n\n>And also why youtube has been **pushing** recommendation based feeds\n\n.\n\n>How? The subscriptions page is right there.\n\nIf you open youtube you will not land on the subscriptions feed, and most people just browse the home feed and watch videos recommended under other videos. Of course you can still use subscription feed but Youtube is definitely pushing their other feeds more",
"I feel differently because with Youtube, for the most part, you play a part in the selection process of what you're watching. So you should be slightly more invested from the start. Tik Tok is a lot more like you're being served the content.\n\nIt's like a lesser version of buying something vs getting a gift. You tend to complain less about the gift then you do something you put time into.\n\nObviously people are still going to be mean and complain, just from what I've seen, it's less. At least for now. But just like Facebook, Twitter, and now Instagram, there will be a time where Tik Tok is just complainers.",
"I mean, you can also just look at total likes compared to views. It essentially functions as a positive reinforcement critique and makes it less likely for trolls to dislike bomb videos that have dissenting opinions I think YT is utilizing this change to change viewership habits, but honestly it's not that impactful for me personally and I thought it might be.",
"I don't fuck with youtube but in addition to hitting the button people should comment dislike and make it even more visible",
"Just to note, in the GitHub they mention that the dislike count is also removed from YouTube’s API. So… this extension doesn’t really know how many dislikes there are. It’s just a guess. Probably a very complex and semi informed guess, but it’s still a guess.",
"You may be implying you have an ad blocker but sometimes the entire video is the ad. Seeing 4x more dislikes than likes might have notified you before finishing the video/buying the product.\n\n(I might be getting woosh’ed though...)",
"Lbry is the same way. Really cool concept and ideals but completely fucked in reality.",
"That quote is actually full of punctuation",
"Is it working on the current version of YT Vanced? I can't see the dislikes on my account.\n\n\nI'm still using version 15.43.32 since the newest version wasn't working with Chromecast for me.\n\nNewest version is 16.29.39",
"Fine. Protect the brands. Just like you can turn off comments, they should just allow people to turn off *both* likes and dislikes. But that would be a sign of something, too.",
"> Yes, So it's working. This is obviously not the first or only thing they did to make people rely on recommended videos.\n\nBut that's not what you said. You implied that they weren't relying on it before because they had dislikes and now they would have to because they don't. But again that doesn't make sense because they were relying on it before. \n\nHow would dislikes affect people clicking on recommended videos anyway? \n\n>If you open youtube you will not land on the subscriptions feed, and most people just browse the home feed and watch videos recommended under other videos. Of course you can still use subscription feed but Youtube is definitely pushing their other feeds more\n\nUser laziness is not them pushing anything. Opening YouTube does not need to entail youtube.com. You can bookmark the Subscriptions page.\n\nBesides, this isn't anything new. YouTube changed the home page to include recommended videos 8 years ago.",
"Ah damn, its no longer working, just checked. I guess it updated the other day, very unfortunate. So do NOT use the latest version, I guess. But I swear before it updated it was still displaying dislikes after the YouTube change.",
"Love Yahtzee",
"Ludwig Ahgren started to get more viewers by making \"you laugh you lose\" react videos on twitch/youtube, where he let his viewers send him funny clips and he would try not to laugh, lest he would incur some comical penalty. [Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du70TojOi_A) is a video of him and his roommate/manager playing, where the one who laughs more often gets tazed at the end of the video.\n\nHe was also one of the most watched streamers on Twitch during their phase where they were opening high value pokemon card packs, such as [this](https://youtu.be/7gg-gGZcz08). This last year, he broke the record for longest stream/most subscribed channel by doing a \"subathon\", where every single subscription added to the amount of time he had to continue streaming. [It went on for an entire month](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCu8-aCSZbE).\n\nMost recently, he has been trying to expand his brand \"mogul moves\" to collaborate with more other streamers, such as in his new game show [\"mogul money\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ZueegNlpY). \n\nIn doing all of this, he became the #6 highest earning streamer on Twitch over the last two years (earning over $3 million in just donations and subscriptions alone) and yesterday signed a deal to stream exclusively on YouTube, rumored to be in the realm of $10–30 million.",
"I call them poodle cuts because I don't think they know how to cut human hsir, and I've left there bleeding.",
"Not just brands.\n\nhttps://www.theepochtimes.com/youtube-deleted-2-5-million-dislikes-from-biden-white-house-videos-data-indicates\\_3759997.html",
"Yeah, Vimeo embeds behave so much better than Youtube, aren't loaded with Google tracking script, and don't constantly attempt to link the viewer back out to Youtube. Like if someone pauses the autoplay video on our homepage to show a coworker, youtube will give them a view riddled with randomly selected ads for other channels in the meantime. \n\nNot to mention the compression as other commenters have pointed out - it just looks better, because they charge for it, so they don't have to optimize for the lowest bitrate possible the way YouTube does.",
"13094 as of right now.",
"We have a scary new strain of coronavirus, inflation is sky rocketing, the supply chain is all but in gridlock, Russia has unstoppable supersonic nuclear weapons, and all the current models are predicting societal collapse by 2040, *at the latest*, but by all means, let's clutch our pearls over not knowing how many people don't like something!",
"The thumbs down on YouTube does not include comments like the feedback example shown in this video it's not the same thing. On YouTube you couldn't tell why someone gave a thumbs down. In Yelp or Google reviews at least you can see the comments and some are valid and some are not. I saw a hotel 1 * review once they complained that the garbage can inside the hotel room was too small for the family of 8.",
"Cool.\n\n[I'm definitely over this trend](https://imgur.com/a/zqRuvvN), but I guess there's a big market for it.",
"Consider [peertube](https://joinpeertube.org)!",
"Every comment and post on Reddit has an equal initial chance to be seen.",
"i see dislikes...",
"You just described a monopoly.",
"i understand that *sometimes* the dislike system can be abused, but there's no way it's not just a thing that's very rare. no one is obligated to like anything you create and we have a right to know if any piece of content is worth consuming. there are so many valid reasons to enable users to see likes and dislikes. imagine how fucked something like amazon would be if they removed the ability for users to give star ratings to products? it's not a great system, but it's a system that works most of the time.\n\ndo not for a second buy in to the narrative that this is supposed to protect the little guy. and even if it was, again, **no one has to like anything you make**. it's not mean or harassment to simply click a button which indicates that you don't like something and, again, we should have the right to know if anything is worth consuming based on feedback from others.\n\ni mean this whole thing sucks, but youtube's corporate overlords have spoken and there's really nothing we can do about it.",
"Sellout",
"The trick is to let some moderate voices rant about the evil so the masses are happy „oh righty, someone is complaining… now i dont have to do anything.“\n\n\nThus people wont complain as someone has already.\nNo one will move a finger. Too much effort.\n\nIt promotes feel good slacktivism.",
"you already could turn off dislikes",
"Exactly. YouTube was offering more because they need to *entice* users to join whereas Twitch is probably just like \"Meh, go get your bag - you'll be back as soon as your contract ends/Youtube decides to call it quits\" just like with Ninja and tons of other creators that Facebook and Youtube poached.\n\nTwitch didn't get on their knees, beg, and offer them Youtube's deal like Ludwig wanted to because they provide value in other aspects that Youtube can't simply by virtue of being the main streaming platform vs. Youtube's livestream content being second-rate, relatively ignored things.",
"I'm sure the multi million dollars had something to do with it despite what he says man, especially since it sounds like they gave him a better deal last second which he wasn't expecting.",
"> On old.reddit.com (the old reddit interface) you are still able to see the ratio of upvotes to downvotes on posts though which is what they are talking about.\n\nCan you? I use it but have never seen the ratio, just the total amount of points and the controversial icon if it's relatively close (but that only happens for posts sitting around 1 upvote, of course).",
"Hiding dislikes also gives a false impression when the covid and white house narrative videos aren't seen to be 10 to 1 dislikes.",
"> this might be the single worst decision they have made. It completely erodes the trust of the users\n\n\nBeen hearing this every year since 2014. Not sure if they've really cared since.",
"I'm using 16.29.39 and still have the dislike button. 🤷🏻♀️",
"Yup, controlling what the user sees through a curated, unknown algorithm should be illegal for social media, IMO.",
"ohh i think it’s just on this app, i use Apollo on iOS",
"https://i.imgur.com/UCouBJ4.jpg",
"Odysee is the way",
"Odysee is the way",
"I can see you getting downvoted, but I came to the comments for exactly the point you are making.\n\nThe haircut was fine, he seemed to like it, he even said as much. Which makes the part of the video where he gets the haircut add nothing to his point, if anything it’s completely counter to his point.\n\nIf he had listened to the negative reviews he would have avoided the barber shop believing that the place was terrible and could not provide him a haircut worth the cost. Since he didn’t do that he got an ok haircut. \n\nCompletely outside of the “should YouTube disable downvotes” question, this part of the video does nothing but weaken the argument. If the barber shop were awful or the haircut terrible, then he could have contrasted his experience with the false impression he got from the one great review and then dropped the bomb, “this place is actually terrible, here are all the bad reviews, that if I had known about, would have saved me from this fate.”\n\nThat would have been a clear connection to the topic of the video.\n\nI imagine what happened was he filmed the intro, went to get the haircut hoping the experience would be awful or the haircut obviously bad, but it wasn’t. So he made a much weaker point that amounted to “even though not having the negative reviews resulted in no negative result, I mean, it might have!” \n\nWeird, because I imagine he (or someone in his employ) edits these videos and they could have seen how this part really didn’t work. But based on the votes it seems like the general population saw this and thinks, “fuck yea, what an awesome rhetorical device. You see, he showed us the danger of censoring negative reviews by ignoring negative reviews and suffering no consequences. Genius”\n\nFrom one person able to separate “topic of video” from “execution of video” to another, I upvoted you.",
"Especially for some of the obscure shit I work on",
"Yelp? I don't trust that site either. Besides you're more inclined to leave a negative business review than a positive. If you got what you expected from a business then that's it usually. Because of your preconceived notion that the business will meet your needs. If it's a negative experience then it usually festers and you want to do or say something about it b/c it usually isn't the norm.\n\nHis haircut looks good and even admits it's not the worst one he's ever had. So are all those reviews reliable? It appears not.\n\nIs this a good comparison to YT dislike count removal? I don't really think so but we all know the real reason it was done.",
"Honestly this sounds exactly what is going on with the U.S government.",
"Agree the guy is a total douchebag who just takes advantage of his friends for attention. Extremely fucking annoying. Jerks himself off all day like he's god's gift to streaming.",
"The API still lets people read dislikes for now. So there are extensions which draw them on the website again.\n\n\nY'know, for now.",
"The change is server side, nothing you do will get an API response with the dislike count",
"son muchos dislikes",
"I see. It was showing a dislike count, but I suppose it was static and not real. Oh well, at least with Vanced I don't have to deal with ads, which was the main reason I got it anyways.",
"Deserves it based on that new haircut. The bastard.",
"That's fucking ridiculous. Wow. Nice job getting the bag!",
"All I know is that without a dislike button, the internet is telling me that my life has irrevocably changed.",
"I would argue only getting one side of the news is only going to give you a biased version of reality. Maybe dabble in multiple sources if you want a more encompassing take on current happenings.\n\nHere’s a hint, two sides to the same coin. It’s so funny to see how events are outright ignored or how they word stories to paint the other side in an unflattering light or fluff their political agenda. It’s rather entertaining and depressing at the same time.\n\nEven the comment sections are the same it’s hilarious.",
"Manufacturing Consent covers the concept of allowing sharp disagreement but only within limited parameters.",
"235 now",
"Oh snap that's great news, thanks!",
"Oh yeah, good point. I'm sold, I'll get it.",
"[Return youtube dislikes](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi).\n\nTheres a Firefox version too.",
"\"might be the single worst decision they have made\"\n\n\\- laughs in cable company while rubbing nipples. ooohh, if you really hate on us bad enough or we kill enough children we could always execute plan B - merge with another service, become bigger and more evil and change our name to something more cheerful sounding.",
"Yeah but you’re conflating “rejecting far left ideals” with “is a conservative”",
"The irony of the company that’s early motto was “ do you know evil“ becomes more evil every single year of its monopoly existence.",
"I see many people talking about the dislike extension but when someone can't see the dislike numbers, they are discouraged. I mean how many use Newpipe or use adblocker? The numbers are really going to be skewed. That's why I think decentralized platforms are the way; please ***TRY ODYSEE.COM***.",
"Are used to think the same about American auto makers on the Japanese were grabbing market share in the 1980s. it seemed for sure they would wake up and get competitive but they just kept making junk until two of the three went bankrupt in 2008.",
"Thanks dude!",
"It's even weirder because it's extremely easy to miss the Tom Scott mention since it is at the end after the main content of the video. Many people just close the video once the main content is over.",
"I definitely check likes and dislikes before clicking on the thumbnail of a video.",
"Not necessarily. The direction of the Democratic Party is shifting towards a more far left ideal. Fundamentally democrats have been rather conservative. I’m not calling people a conservative as in republican I’m saying people may have more conservative views compared to the direction they *believe* the Democratic Party is going.",
"Godsend",
"Well if it gets that bad then they just switch commenting to \"approval only\" that way only comments they approve are visible.",
"Ludwig!",
"Many big companies delete bad reviews left on their websites.",
"Hey! It’s the face of Twitch!",
"Views to likes ratio varies to much by type of video / creator / age of video.",
"100% it was for corporate brands and politics.",
"Removing dislikes also allows them to better control what you end up watching. Seeing the dislikes may dissuade you from wanting to watch a video, and youtube just want you to watch as many videos as possible. They don't care if they're good or accurate, they just want more hours watched to make you watch more ads.",
"Reddit on iphone looks nice.",
"back to Dailymotion everyone!",
"I have not only disliked this video, but downvoted this post. No one can see me, i don't matter, my actions don't matter and you shouldn't pay attention to me because we aren't the same.",
"That’s already been a thing",
"Probably referring to this:\n\nhttps://twitter.com/linusgsebastian/status/1464627802985037831?s=20",
"Hubadubba",
"Why don't we flood the play/app store and just down vote the app and try to get it to a 1 or 2 star?",
"People keep only pointing to tutorials and this is shortsighted. It just means if a video is worth watching at all.",
"Hes not Tom Scott",
"Tbh a lot of people were saying the same things when they removed the star system. This won't kill their business. Only a legit competitor can do that.",
"I wouldn't expect that extension to keep working for long. They only work because they are still willing to send the data.",
"Why should the investors care that theyre being lied to. Theyre in it for the stockvalue, they absolutely know its bullshit and dont care. Its purely speculation and they dont wanna ruin a good thing",
"Just look at the comments. Anytime dislikes are significant, there are always comments explaining why. Wouldn't you have looked at them before anyways? If I see a tutorial with high dislikes, I scroll down to see why.",
"Surely those are also counted in the budgets that get released?",
"Middle out?",
"? We all know the algorithm promotes videos with a lot of interactions from users, even bad ones. Taking away the user’s ability to dislike a video, or rather disincentivizing them to do so will help prevent showing you bad or scam videos. It’s that simple.",
"Definitely has been but that needs to start changing now.",
"Odysee is surprisingly there. The way it works makes it hard for another Youtube dictatorship to happen by avoiding centralized servers. \n\nhttps://odysee.com/\n\nWhy is this good? Well, when the Chief Editor of 'The Lancet' makes a speech saying vaccine manufacturers are acting in a fraudulent way and YouTube pulls it down claiming \"minsinformation\" you know the system has become corrupt.\n\nYou've all seen it with copyright strikes on creators of songs with blatant disrespect of 'Fair Use'.",
"You just have not had the change applied to your account yet. They're rolling out slowly.\n\nI just updated to the latest version, and still no dislike counter. Vanced is not immune to it.",
"Is there a way to circumvent the not seeing dislikes?",
"I tried to mention one of the extensions as a Yt comment but the comment got instantly removed. This is getting a bit overbearing... Chinese government has nothing on Google.",
"Tbh this is a bad idea and a bad way to go about it, but no one will use the extension so I’m not really worried about it ¯\\\\_(ツ)_/¯",
"grubhub ?",
"It's to protect the media and large companies from having a bad image. YouTube propped them up a year or two ago by only showing large news companies when searching about a current event. When these news companies peddle their misleading narratives everyone dislikes the videos. Those news companies are all they see and then YouTube comes up with an idea of how to protect them to make it look like everything they say is the truth. Ironically removing the dislikes came right as the Kyle Rittenhouse trial was going to start. YouTube wanted to protect the media companies so they could straight up lie about the case on live television and then block the public perception of it in the dislike count.",
"Yep, said this from the very beginning, it's primarily not about appeasing corporate clients (although it's definitely part this) but taking away community power in favor of their recommendation engine. We need a competor and yesterday!",
"I only watch a few lefty youtubers when they debate. I never watch Conservative youtubers or other similar content creators. My politics are pretty set in stone and Ben Shapiro or Steven Crowder will never change my mind.\n\nAs for news, I only read AP, CP, Reuters, etc ...",
"I'm not saying it's now impossible to tell if a tutorial is useful or not, I'm just saying it's not a good experience. Most of the time there are multiple tutorials explaining the same thing, so I usually just move on to another video with a decent like/dislike ratio, if that tutorial doesn't help me either, then I usually return to the highly disliked video to see what I can salvage from that. This strategy is solid most of the time.",
"Couldn't they just use an algorithm like Steam to prevent mass likes/dislikes in a short amount of time, from specific referrers and IPs etc? \n\nI understand what youtube is trying to prevent, there are indeed some controversy mass dislike bombing organised by certain groups (like covid deniers/anti vaxxers) Where a small amount of people make it look like the majority of people are thinking like them due to the like/dislike ratio.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nOR they completely get rid of likes and dislikes and replace it worth something else to express themselves (like facebook) Sometimes a video just get dislikes because of the topic not the video or presentation itself, unless creator actually takes a side, which makes neutral coverage of a topic impossible since you depend on the like button to be successful",
"you’re dumb as absolute bricks",
"> I hope another video hosting platform comes around soon because competition is always a good thing.\n\nI guarantee it'll be bought out instantly.",
"[Return Yourtube Dislikes](https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/)",
"Seriously, I have no idea why people got o YouTube of all places to learn programming. Turn that shit off and read a book, or better yet a website with code samples you can copy/paste, tweak, or even run in the browser.\n\nThis idea that learning programming from some dude with a shit mic that spends 10min breathing heavily and promoting his channel, glosses over key concepts, or just outright writes terrible code, is just so surprising to me.\n\nPick your favourite language/framework and buy (or pirate) a book. O'Reilly is still doing some excellent work in this area. Join a support community and post questions there, go to meetups, talk to other nerds.\n\nYouTube is the last place anyone should look for programming tips.",
"MyTube \nLul",
"They did not remove the button, just the count.",
"why is this amazing? this content has already been done. he's just making a safe video that others have already made.",
"Amazon products already be like :\n4.8/5 stars!\n\nTop 3 most helpful reviews:\n\n1 star - product broke\n\n1 star - product broke days after return window, wont answer calls\n\n2 star - was a 4 star but then product burnt my house down. Still giving it 2 stars since it arrived on time",
"I'm disliking every single video I watch until the counter is back.",
"I think users should subvert the system: Either stop rating videos entirely, or flip the meaning in our heads... upvote = downvote. I know this would completely throw the algorithm off, but that's kinda the point.",
"We start making comments upvote this if the video is bad.\n\nUpvote this comment if video is good.",
"he makes bland content for people with no taste.",
"RubHub",
"This is true.\n\nOn Steam, I always used to read the negative reviews. They were always the most informatve.",
"Bias. Bias everywhere.",
"That's not why they're doing it. They're doing it for the same reason no other social network has a downvote button: downvotes suppress idiocy and bad ideas.\n\nSocial networks thrive on conflict. If you post something that quickly gets 1000 dislikes, it's not controversial, it's effectively *invisible*, which means people don't see it, engage with it, or make response comments and videos. By removing dislikes Google can, like Facebook and Twitter, profit from rage bait as communities polarise and generate more content to feed the echo chamber.",
"Creators can delete comments :/",
"You can kind of use a ratio system. A disproportionately small number of likes relative to the number of views could be taken as a sign of the video being poor.",
"And this is exactly one of the very big reasons why monopolies are so fucking dangerous. Don't like it? Screw you, you have no choice. Even though companys start as consumer friendly and some people even say 'no they never would do that', as soon as they have the absolute monopoly they slowly start to \"blackmail\" the consumers.",
"The Boys is fucking amazing though. \n\nThat's why I watch it on the seven seas.",
"I fully agree with your post but I don't think the current sanitised versions offer much more than comfort. It's the roll-up-your-sleeves and do it yourself effort that people themselves put into making the Internet a good place that made the \"before times\" memorable, not the ease of access or how well corporations manage to advertise to you.\n\nI agree that the tech *vastly* improved and what we can do with it grew so much. In that sense, yes RealPlayer fucking suuuuuuuuucked.",
"I think you are confusing Russia with China. China is as economically dependant on you as you are on them. They don't want a total dunce, who starts a trade war, in the white house.\n\nAlso your education system is garbage and because of that half your population is easier to manipulate than a toddler. Nobody needs to know your specific fears or desires. Spread a few rumors about a pedophile ring in the basement of a pizza joint, done.",
"**LISTEN REDDIT!!! LETS FIND THE *SHITTIEST* VIDEO ON YOUTUBE AND *LIKE IT* A BILLION TIMES SO THAT IT FUCKS UP THEIR AI THEN WI PICK THE NEXT SHITTIEST VIDEO AND DO THE SAME, UNTIL GOOGLE REVERSES THE CHANGE!!!**",
"This is a copycat\n A guy made similar video only the title was the viewcount.\nBeen around for years",
"There are other video hosting services like Vimeo. But free to use and popular by name YouTube will win because free is king (and yes if the service is free, then you are the product)",
"Yeah its pretty bad. I use FakeSpot to filter through all the BS 5 star reviews: https://www.fakespot.com/\n\nIts pretty effective",
"It only hurt the platform for user experience, it is exactly what was wanted from the people paying them. These decisions havn't meaningfully impacted viewership/traffic.",
"You seriously underestimate how vain and petty most politicians are.",
"Some subs try that, of course you can disable subreddit style on the righthand side but just as one might predict, disabling it doesn't work and generates more work for the mods.\n\nI wonder if YouTube would like an increased number of misinformation reports on videos people can't downvote any more.",
"vimeo is trash lol",
"They are recorded (although budgets isn't the right term). For fear of doxxing myself I won't be specific, but where I worked, we were told more information than the generic \"this entire org had this revenue/profit structure.\" More specific information would be called out in all hands meetings such as \"this division within this org made this much money or had that much growth or has some amount of market share now.\" So unless you were to go through those kinds of records, you may see \"oh, xbox made money this quarter or had this much revenue/growth\" but on a more detailed level you might see \"oh, xbox hardware sells at a loss, but has gained xyz amount of market share against playstation in q4\" or comparisons in digital/physical sales. So for a company like Uber that offers a physical service that's hemorrhaging money and losing more as they scale up, it's pretty safe to say they need to change something or find a way to save a lot of money on the software side of things (netflix also has run into a variation on this problem with securing the rights to content but potentially having a saturated subscriber base). Google on the other hand makes money hand over fist and a lot of their resources end up in projects that are duplicates of what they already have or projects that get \"finished\" but never supported due to the culture and how you get promotions at google (like why google hangouts and the other google social service existed). However, similar to the cartridge vs disc war, scaling up a digital service is effectively free compared to any physical product. And any efficiencies you can come up with in code will save money once that code is in production. So if a Netflix dev tomorrow figured out a way to compress 10% of their data being sent, that ends up immediately reducing their data costs without any other changes required. If an assembly line figured out a similar improvement, you may have to change a lot of the process or retrain the workers/machines and it would take time to implement.",
"Who's watching this in 2021",
"isn't this what youtube pulled for the whole site lol",
"Tom Scott's one will be continue to work possiblyway longer (probably ever) but api will be updated to remove dislike count endpoint in near feature I believe",
"Yeah dude. One of the five people on the planet who can afford to build a competitor is finally going to do it and every single Youtube user is going to unanimously decide to switch to them.",
"They're extremely helpful for tutorials/DIY stuff. You can instantly recognize if it is going to be worth your time. I used them regularly for the last few years and almost every time it was pretty accurate.",
"500MB per WEEK?\n\nI stream for just two hours a week very casually and even that one video would be above the limit. An average person who makes content online regularly will be doing hundreds of times that per week.",
"Yup, The Simpon’s knows it’s lost it’s edge and ability to take shots. When South Park dared to show an image of Muhammad the Bart [wrote](http://www.mtv.com/news/2763764/video-the-simpsons-stands-by-south-park/)”We’d stand beside you if we weren’t so scared” on the chalkboard in the opening sequence.",
"And that’s because Amazon isn’t trying hard enough to fix twitch into something usable for creators. Amazon is just as big as google, it’s just that they don’t care to make their product better for users and google does somewhat care about making the product better.",
"He's not a bad looking dude and I think that's really all it is. The haircut was not the worst thing ever, but it wasn't any good either.",
"Yes I believe that they were feeling a lot of pressure from many of the MSM outlets and this kind of seems to stem off of the really bad ratios that whitehouse.gov videos were getting",
"He looks absolutely fucking lopsided after that haircut lmao. No wonder they got 1 star ratings. Should be the same length on both sides, at the top.",
"What if YouTube does stupid shit like this on purpose so popular channels make videos about it, in turn getting more traffic into YouTube…",
"The wrong people were getting ratio’d. \n\nI can’t remember the video but I remember a while back some video was getting a ton of dislikes and then the number of dislikes would go down. People saved screenshots of it with higher numbers. \n\nEliminating dislike numbers all together solves that problem. \n\nRotten tomatoes has done some weird stuff too.",
"He failed to give any arguments on why removing dislikes could be good.\n\nI personally dont think its healthy for people to go to a vid, click dislike then leave.",
"Upvotes and downvotes had the exact same effect on the algorithm anyways, part of the reason youtube has sucked for a long time now. They only care about engagement, they don't care if it is positive or negative.",
"From [looking at the code](https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike/blob/main/Extensions/firefox/return-youtube-dislike.background.js#L85), it seems that YouTube returns an \"averageRating\" value that can be used to determine the like/dislike count.\n\nSeems pretty accurate for me, for example the video title says 14252 dislikes and the extension is showing me 14260 dislikes. Worth noting that it might fail for videos with a low amount of likes and dislikes, something like 10 likes and 1 dislike might not show the 1 dislike.\n\nIf YouTube ever removes that averageRating number though, then I doubt there'll be any way to get an accurate dislike count.",
"I'm sorry, criticizing this guy's half-baked analogy makes me some kind of a class traitor? Is agreeing with the most inane points about the most boring culture war topic this week a form of praxis now?\n\nI'm glad you can read his mind, but if he didn't like his haircut he should have absolutely said that, because saying the opposite absolutely destroys his metaphor.\n\nAlso, I'm not sure how many times we need to say this, but not everyone is from America.",
"They're both just mediocre at what they do in a weird way.\n\nTwitch is better than Youtube when it comes to live streaming, but ONLY that. Every other aspect whether it be the social side, uploading / hosting videos, even your channel description is done better by Youtube.\n\nThere's a reason so many streamers always have Youtube account for clips or an archive at the least. If Youtube had somebody fix up their streaming side of things to rival or surpass Twitch (which would not be difficult in the slightest) they could easily put them out of business, but we're constantly reminded how incompetent the people running YT are.",
"NormHub",
"Sure it definitely needs those things, but there's no way Ludwig is worth 30 million no matter what their purpose. We have no confirmation whatsoever of that number, it's purely speculation so I don't know why you're so attached to it?",
"The problem I have always had with the dislike button for anything (including here) is that it’s just too easy. It doesn’t promote actual conversation and, in some ways, prevents reasonable conversation from being seen or promoted.\n \nThis is especially problematic and, I would argue, even dangerous in places where downvoted items are suppressed by default, such as the case on this very forum here, Reddit. It absolutely promotes confirmation bias and misinformation.\n\nIn the perfect world where reasonable people are intelligently debating arguments and evaluating those arguments without bias or objectivity the upvote / down system works fairly well.\n\nProblem is the internet is not a perfect world and people are not perfectly reasonable either. \n\nTo take the example someone posted here, the tutorial video, if you see 100 downvotes and one upvote that person must not be educated on the subject. That is nowhere near true on the internet. People get downvoted for all kinds of things outside of the quality of the content: had a bad mustache, some technical glitch in the video, it’s not the popular thing / way to do it. Etc. This very thread is proof of that. Lots of valid points being made and downvoted without many counter arguments. ANY so-called “taboo” subject is now immediately downvoted without anyone actually reading or listening to the point. \n\nIt’s way too easy to jam on that dislike button than to actually evaluate what a person has said or done and think for yourself to form an opinion of your own.\n\nAn important distinction between the youtube like / dislike button and the haircut review in this video is someone actually had to respond with a review. They had to put their name out there and effort in to say “I don’t like this for this reason” or “I disagree for this reason”. \n\nNow there is no doubt reviews can be just as toxic to some degree but usually (not always) people understand that if they are responding to something they better read / listen to the original point. That’s an important difference to hitting a button.\n\nI would like to think of myself as mostly a fair and reasonable person who generally takes the time to make a valid point. I fail sometimes, I am wrong sometimes, I am out of line sometimes. All fair. That said, nothing pisses me off more than getting downvoted 100 times without a single reply. \n\nMy anger in that regard is not that I want to win the Reddit popularity contest. If I did, I would just post the same cat picture everyone else does every week and have 100 million points. I tend to pick the hard subjects because I appreciate the debate, I appreciate being proven wrong. I really, really do. When people do respond to controversial subjects or posts, in a reasonable manner, I tend to acknowledge the effort and if it’s reasonable enough, change my opinion. My issue is not being downvoted, my issue is, if you disagree, or I am wrong – tell me why. It’s a simple request – why? - make ME a better educated person; and 90% of the time I call this out by pointing out no one has responded to a single point I made, that post gets downvoted for being whiny for internet points. \n\nThat is what bothers me about the downvote button anywhere. Disagree, no issues with that, but please explain, start the debate, educate us. I think it should be mandatory that you provide a response if you hit the dislike button. \n\nSo Raymondcy, shouldn’t we ditch the like button for the same reasons? Yes, absolutely. The problem then becomes how in the hell can we promote actual, real, good, quality content and supress the garbage. That is the million dollar question to which I have no valid solution to. Paid content is getting promoted over good content, popular content is winning over important content. That is a complex and very real problem in our society today.\n\nWe have some solutions for the dislike problem, such as we can suppress most toxic behavior by requiring Real Names. CBC did this on their website and the garbage factor dropped by 90%. But there are very valid and important reasons to have anonymity on the internet, even in a news / CBCs context. \n\nWe don’t have a ton of good solutions for promoting good content – other than being reasonable people, which, we already established, is not the case. \n\nThere is also a problem with the distinction between quality content and entertainment content. The other day a post showed up that has no benefit to society whatsoever other than to laugh. After 2 brutal days it made my week and helped my mental health. That deserves to be promoted along side serious issues that affect society. \n\nI feel I am getting a bit off topic so I will leave at this:\n\nWhile this isn’t the most ideal solution at all – I think in our current climate upvoting should be maintained, but downvoting requires commenting which can not be deleted by the content creator.\n\nEdit: fixed spelling.",
"We certainly do not need MORE government. The government is cozy with the corporations as is. We need less government to increase competition in healthcare, technology (Big Tech), ecommerce, and more. The government grants insane power to the top players in these industries and it grants them stupid IP gifts and money-making schemes that make it impossible for outsiders and competition to compete!",
">But that's not what you said. You implied that they weren't relying on it before because they had dislikes and now they would have to because they don't. But again that doesn't make sense because they were relying on it before.\n\nI never said or implied that. The OP video was about dislikes, so my comment was about why I think they removed them. Youtube made other changes that make me think this is a focused strategy to gain more control over what people view. \n\n>User laziness is not them pushing anything. Opening YouTube does not need to entail youtube.com.\n\nOf course that is pushing something. If you change the landing page from mostly video's people choose (subscriptions) to mostly videos from the recommendation engine, You are pushing the recommendation based feeds.\n\n>Besides, this isn't anything new. YouTube changed the home page to include recommended videos 8 years ago.\n\nNo, this is not new. And Youtube can push whatever the hell they want. I am just stating what Youtube are doing and why I think they are doing it. And why i think they are not going to bring back the dislikes. They are a company and will do what they think is best for the company, and that is fine.\n\nBut if you think they did this because they are protecting small creators i think you are missing something.\n\nand yes i have the subsciption page bookmarked, works fine for me!",
"Since they dickishly hide the 'swap to new Reddit' right under the browser back/forward buttons I click it on occasion. \n\nI will drop everything I'm doing to switch back to opting out of new reddit. Nothing short of a fire in my house could get me to drop everything so quickly. It's legit an emergency to me if I accidentally opt in to new reddit.",
"Lots of subreddits also hide the downvote button and it immediately lets me know to back away.",
"Yeah I knew immediately any videos with disabled comments must be full of shit. Looking at you, White House",
"Yes I recommend we all adopt LBRY aka odysee.",
"Hubbub.",
"I thought this was a spin-off of Tom Scott’s “this video has [current number of views] views”",
"You’re also expected to tip. It might have been a $15 haircut with a $5 tip",
"> I never said or implied that.\n\nYou did with the word \"Now.\"\n\n>**Now** that users can not easily determine what videos are good or bad users have to trust youtube's recommendations and search results.\n\nImplying the situation was different before.\n\n>Of course that is pushing something. If you change the landing page from mostly video's people choose (subscriptions) to mostly videos from the recommendation engine, You are pushing the recommendation based feeds.\n\nTouche I guess. But it's pushing it in a very minor way because of how easily accessible the Subscriptions page is.\n\n>But if you think they did this because they are protecting small creators i think you are missing something.\n\nNot missing anything. I think Hanlon's razer is the case here because the alternatives don't make that much sense. It's just a very stupid decision.",
"Everyone mad over this is yes",
"Forwarding video attachments to your friends in emails obviously, like the good old days :)",
"Some people learn better if someone explains it to them or if they can visualize it. Heck, I know I've had things click only after seeing it in video form. Now obviously if youtube is the *only* way someone learns programming then that's not gonna fly, but it's a very effective supplement just as much as any website or forum or whatever.\n\n>This idea that learning programming from some dude with a shit mic that spends 10min breathing heavily and promoting his channel, glosses over key concepts, or just outright writes terrible code, is just so surprising to me. \n\nNo one likes these. That's what the dislike button is for.",
"I use Old Reddit and RES, but I don't see any dislike numbers or the ratio, only the regular combined count. How to enable the ratio / dislikes?",
"Yeah but there's no way for average users to verify it so fake counts would be everywhere",
"It’s pretty nuts rn. I work in highlight creation and honestly we rely on a disproportionate amount of dislikes to see if we missed something, because we are human and mistakes happen when churning out 15+ videos. Now it’s just 95%+ liked across the board regardless. Videos deserve to be disliked if they aren’t up to the viewers standards.",
"Comments disabled too, just in case people thought free and open discussion of the president might be permitted",
"good one bro, you totally got me.",
"Install adblock for youtube, and do the same on mobile web browser for YT after you uninstall their app. Reduction of ad revenue is the only language they understand",
"its at the end of the video.",
"Also he disingenuously used trick to get that 'record'. Not cool.",
"Yes you can, but it's only for posts not comments. Here's a screenshot of where to look: https://i.imgur.com/FOPPuV4.png",
"For comments you can't see the ratio, but for posts you can: https://i.imgur.com/FOPPuV4.png",
"If only u could see the dislikes on Reddit so you know if a comment is worth responding too...",
"2011 is that you?",
"3rd party service that you connect your account to and hooks the data back and forth. List of verified creators on the site.",
"We just need to have likes/dislikes be handled by a company that is a separate service. So like via browser plugin, oh wait chrome and youtube are same company so they will probably ban the browser plugin to install easily or natively...\n\nugh\n\nor oh wait thats yelp and is just as corrupt. \n\nugh",
"Nah. Its to protect peoples “feelings” \n\nTheir money comes from ads. You cant downvote an ad (unless the video its self is an ad)",
"another dumb ass statement by a dumb ass individual",
"Got it, thanks",
"The echo chambers existed even with dislikes. That isn’t going to change anything.",
"Then you'd see it was disabled and wonder why. There is no reason we shouldn't have access to the amount of dislikes a video has. I'd be surprised if there wasn't a company giving youtube money for this change",
"Do you really think that was the reason?",
"Core features yes. It looks great and has a lot of control for playback and embed settings. Their setting controls are incredibly messy though and their review and versioning tools are clunky. I had to upload new versions of a bunch of deliverables yesterday and counted clicks. 6 per video!! Then another 2 for sending each video url. Not every action is in the same place or even available in the different views of a video and the review function feels completely separate and tacked on to the rest of the settings interface. They need a UI overhaul badly.",
"Dislikes weren't hurting brands in any way at all do you know how long dislikes have been around. Dislikes still will be used to help cater content to you based off what you like/dislike.",
"My only criticism is that people are far more likely to go to a reviews section to complain about a bad experience than people are to give praise. Reviews are a good way to get a decent understanding but by no means should be the decision maker. \n\nEven I am guilty of this where I have disliked far more videos than I’ve liked on YouTube.",
"I agree, but this isn't the first time I've heard an American talk as if that's cheap for a haircut.",
"> China won't bow down before the content mafia\n\nNo, they'll acquire the mafia.",
"15131",
"This will only happen in the future. Right now it still works with youtube's numbers.\n\nIn the future it will guesstimate the dislikes based on the users using the extension.",
"I'm still confused why this is an issue for people. Have we become unable to actually make decisions without the help of others?",
"I heard that the API or whatever source the plugin draws it's data from is gone around mid-December.",
"Yeah, it's at the end. It's no big deal though. It's easy to miss since not everyone will watch the entire video per se (you aren't obligated to).",
"Thanks!",
"yes tom scott... did you even watch this video? the reason for this video is much different then the original.",
"I disagree. People keep bringing up tutorial videos, but how much of YouTube's traffic comes from tutorials? On here we're all nerds who love tutorials but most of the world couldn't give a shit.\n\nOn the other hand we have dislike bombing. We've seen that people love to jump on the hate-bandwagon and shame individuals. This can be dangerous, especially because it is sometimes quite easy to paint someone in a bad light without proof. \n\nOne compromise that might work: show the dislike count when the video has been up for a certain amount of time (1hr, a day, a week...) This could prevent momentuous dislike bombing but still keep the value of the dislike.",
"Man, what is it with you guys? There's like zero reading comprehension. \n\nI've never said his haircut was good. I too, think it looks like shit. However, *he explicitly said he didn't think it looked like shit*. He actually said he kind of likes it. It would have made a million times more sense if we could all agree it looked bad. But for some reason, he didn't do that.\n\nI also can't keep reiterating how much I don't care about the dislike bar. I'm here arguing about his shitty analogy, not whether removing the stat is a good idea or not.\n\nBut look, don't worry about me, I'll continue checking the dislike bar roughly as much as I did before they took it away. Fucking zero times a year.",
"It's, like, a Tom Scott impression but with an American accent.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/BxV14h0kFs0",
"Founder effects are a bitch. Ages ago it used to be called the Freenet effect. You make some new platform which is censorship resistant, anonymous, pro free speech, both kinds of free, new and innovative.\n\nIt should be a leap forward for people's rights and safety on the internet, moving power to individuals and away from platforms and governments.\n\nBut it has no users and it's kind of hard to use / clunky. The first people to take it up are those banned everywhere else, usually for good reasons.\n\nSoon you have a community, and it's terrible, and people associate your project with them, and not its potential or goals of fixing what is wrong with the corporate internet.\n\nHappened almost immediately with Voat because of that initial selection bias. If the entirety of Reddit had moved then it would be profitable, much the same as Reddit in the mid 2000s, not owned by a media conglomerate, and it has some really nice features like public moderation logs.",
"Because those that upvoted didn't watch the video either.",
"My only relatively minor issue with this is that they are apparently funneling their API requests through a central server (likely due to necessity) that they control at https://returnyoutubedislikeapi.com ([source](https://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike/blob/main/Extensions/chrome/return-youtube-dislike.background.js)). So, minor privacy concern and single point of failure there (since the extension can potentially individually track you and know which videos you're watching by proxy of that, since they need to know the video ID and can scan the content on the page). Good thing it's open source.",
"For people that want to know the dislike count just copy and paste the url into here. Enjoy~\n\nhttps://youtubelikecounter.com/",
"I got bored before I got that far in.",
">You implied that they weren't relying on it before\n\nI never said or implied that people where never relying on recommendations. Just that with this change people have to rely on them more since \"users can not easily determine what videos are good or bad\". Its not a black or white thing. This change just moves the needle a little more towards recommendations.\n\n>it's pushing it in a very minor way because of how easily accessible the Subscriptions page is.\n\nLike you said people are lazy, and youtube makes use of that. If i had to guess 90% of on site views come from home page and recommended videos.\n\n>I think Hanlon's razer is the case here because the alternatives don't make that much sense.\n\nI think it makes sense for Youtube to get more control over what people watch. And it makes sense to put a \"protection of creators\" PR spin on it. there is no malice here. Its just a business decision from YouTube.\n\nBut i guess we will see. If it is just a stupid decision they will revert it in a couple of weeks. And if it is part of a bigger strategy they will likely keep the change.",
"It is really digital dumping - a modern version of a traditional anticompetitive practice",
"Wow it actually worked! Thanks so much! I’ve been wondering why the dislikes were removed and can’t think of any good reason why until i read some comments here.",
"I mean, it’s the only way to jerk off four dudes at once.",
"it’s one of the few things iphone has hahaha",
"You naive lad, major companies get a lot of dislikes when they announce things that people... dislike... and you don't think the shareholders get upset about that? Or news networks getting dislikes for reporting biased takes? There's a lot of motivation to remove dislikes and none of it is because of small creators no matter how much they say it is.\n\n\nNewsflash, companies lie",
"Okay, how do we help Lud get to an administrative position within Youtube?",
"I’m nota fan of that either, but no. I’m talking about TikTok suppressing content from people they thought were ugly or poor among other things",
"It doesn't stop them but they won't make any revenue from those videos unless they also meet the watch time and view requirements.",
"Do people actually decide to watch a video based on the likes and dislikes though? I never have",
"if that's true, i really wonder what the incentive is for them to own it. surely there must be something that at least makes it a net positive for them? maybe even user data, somehow.\n\nbut if it really is just a net negative thing for the company, i'm curious if they have a long term goal that will ultimately make youtube profitable. or maybe they are just trying lots of different things to achieve that...who knows.",
"I had no idea you could do this. that's quite interesting, and now with no dislikes visible, this tactic is going to be 100x more important to them.\n\nRIP YouTube, we hardly knew ye. Didn't know how good we had it until it was gone.",
"I can't even use the website anymore! I can't tell at a glance is a video from a stranger is trustworthy or not anymore without wasting my fucking time watching part of it! Especially DIY or guide videos where I won't know and I'm vunerable then. Fucking corporate hellscape. Creators need to organize and leave.\n\nEssentially the only ways I'll use the site from now on are through other sites like reddit or my own closed off sub feed. Gratz on making me disengage Youtube/Google. There is far too much stranger danger and now you've hid the only way to gauge that. Spammers and grifters absolutely will take advantage, but Google doesn't give a singular fuck about anything but money and will lie about their reasoning. Anyone working for them, shame on you.",
"Tom Scott ripoff",
"That's their point, they're not trying to.",
">Their monopoly is crumbling. IIRC last month TikTok had more combined watch time than YouTube.\n\n\nI'll believe that if the source isn't TikTok itself.",
"Time to grab the theasaurus to the point that they have to delete the ability to comment too",
"Their site looks okay, also lets creators automatically sync all their vids from Youtube if they have over 300 subscribers I saw when I signed up.",
"Is it? A lot of Content Creators I watch (or used to watch) are ditching or already completely ditched YT in favor of Twitch, although I'm mostly thinking of gaming CCs.",
"I'm more than willing to use youtube alternatives like Odysee or anything that gets a foothold, but apparently nobody else wants to bother even after this change. I straight up can't use Youtube for DIY/guide/selfhelp/reviews from channels I wasn't already familiar with anymore. Same as you, I don't want to waste my time being a manual filter. Which seems to be the point of this change. Waste more of my time. Hide dislikes from public eyes for corps and politicals.",
"Can honestly say no that isn't the case. Many streams spoke about it when it happened and he gained a LOT of people. The average person on Twitch did NOT know him, most still don't. Twitch is very niche in most audiences.",
"As others have said, uploaders can delete comments so anything negative can be removed. So now you get to watch an entire video, give them ad revenue, and still not find what you wanted",
"But that’s just because creatives want to create, and the only way they can is with cash from the corporations.\n\nIt costs a shit ton to make shows, you can’t really just make a local coop for that shit",
"Probably depends on the contract. I’m sure there’s a clause that says he would be breaching the contract if he refused to work so could be a clause that makes it void if he trashed YouTube publicly and constantly.",
"It's a good documentary but I actually think it's fairly poor political commentary. The concept is good but Curtis is a hypernormalizer himself.",
" Lets not forget...some ideas deserve to be disliked into oblivion. Without that function, you get shit like flat earth, antivax, fake news bullshit spreading around amongst morons who get their confirmation bias from all the likes and no dislikes.",
"Just check the comments",
"For some cuts leaving it a little longer on that side helps the hair lay better. BUT it should not be that noticeable. He looked like his head would topple over if he wasn't careful. And the short side poorly done too.",
"In terms of people who knew about him on twitch, I think you're just wrong. I don't know any mutuals/co-streamers and don't watch his stream, and I'd heard of him, seen clips, and checked out his stream long before that. Just because twitch is niche in most audiences doesn't mean he was unknown amongst twitch viewers, that's so irrelevant it's dumb to even bring up.\n\nAlso true that the biggest twitch subreddits all had occasional clips including Ludwig long before that stream. He got a lot more regular viewers and a lot more subs, but most people knew of him before that.",
"Vimeo's set up is so jank, and there's no good place on that site to put more laid back and casual content. And I don't even know if that's a bad thing, it's just that Vimeo isn't trying to be the same as YouTube.",
"Wait how many down votes does this thread have?",
"I love John Stewart, but this is the reason I cannot watch his show on ShnappleTV",
"I can still see dislikes",
"Lmao right?\n\nIf you're looking at it, and immediately think \"something is wrong here\", either it's a bad style, or someone did a good style wrong :P",
"The worst is tutorials when you're in a rush to fix something and it's 20 minutes of rabbling misinformation instead of 2 minutes of well articulated problem solving information \n\nYouTube are doses of shite. EA probably complained and all the other big companies",
"I am already looking at possible replacements for other content. Since I can only imagine that for the near future it will go downhill from there.",
"I don't understand why anyone cares, what happend to \"If you don't like it keep scrolling\"?",
"So? Do you think a politician at the county level would be able to make Google bend to their will?",
"Pretty much every social network has it now, same for Instagram and tiktok. \n\nReddit mods have been able to do this for a long time, in some big subs it's really restrictive what actually gets through the filters, sometimes you can be commenting for ages and have no idea nobody else can even see it (easy way to check is to look at the post in another browser). If you look at the total number of comments at the top of the sub, sometimes it's more than 3x or 4x of the actual visible comments if you count them up, loads of comments that nobody but the mods will ever see 🤷♀️\n\nThe only platform you can't really do it on is twitter, but with no downvote, twitter comments just turns into a toxic mess.",
"How about you “stop lying”. Literally the first thing I look for when looking at a how to is the dislike ratio.",
"https://youtu.be/wpONJZNXd6Y?t=210",
"Lol yeah it doesn't matter because YouTube is so big. They don't give a shit about the users because they don't have to",
"They are very different on what they do. Neither of these will ever overtake the other",
"I was trying to find a deadlift tutorial today and then I stopped….\n\nIf I followed a video that didn’t articulate how to get perfect form, I can ruin my health. I felt so naked without a dislike bar",
"i see what you're saying, but i feel like on reddit it's not totally the same situation. \n\nyoutube creators are blocking negative comments about their own work to ultimately get more views and preserve their reputation, I assume.\n\nreddit mods don't really have any stake in the things submitted, so they don't have a lot of incentive to silence information that we should see. i would say that the vast majority of mods just prevent spam or totally irrelevant posts, and that's about it. i think the only thing that I notice is that they could potentially just be *too* strict sometimes, and i think some good posts slip through the cracks because of that. but I think nearly all of them have good intentions, at least, and don't really try to censor information that reddit users feel like they should be seeing. \n\nalso i'm not a mod of anything, but it sure sounds like it, lmao.",
"They have a monopoly and their power play is removing the dislike button? Lol",
"Boring",
"And without dislikes showing, it's easier for them to buy likes now, because there's no context to compare the like count to. In your example, they could buy another 30k likes and make it look decently liked, even though the reality is 180k disliked it, but now no one will see that. It's only going to further incentivize gaming the system since there's no way now to see that it's being gamed.",
"Interesting",
"Controlled opposition",
"To summarize this paragraph,\n\nour voices were taken away",
"This is what happens when our economic system is based on maximizing profits.\n\nEveryone, YouTube included, knows that this is a bad change. They aren't stupid, and trying to \"inform\" YouTube about their \"mistake\" is silly.\n\nBut it makes them more money, so it literally doesn't matter how much we collectively whine and complain. It literally doesn't matter, nor will it ever matter. If it gets more people to watch shitty videos and click on shitty ads, that's all a company in a capitalist hellscape cares about.",
"google is going to keep doing whatever it needs to do to sell you to advertisers",
"> i think it is just about control over their platform.\n\nIt's literally just about money. There's nothing else to it. We live in a capitalist society that rewards behavior like this.",
"YouTube got tired of all the negative feedback towards the woke bullshit brands try and peddle.",
"Less government just gives more direct power to corporations. We need to elect progressive politicians that are less likely to bow down to these capitalists. Unfortunately, there are far too many dumbasses that keep voting for capitalists and then complain about the government they voted for.",
"A free market will inevitably lead to oligarchism. You destroy the government today, and Amazon will create their own tomorrow. Oh and guess what? This time you don't even get a vote!",
"If you allow the difference in opinion, but most of the time on reddit, I have experienced an intolerance to debate unless of course I agree with them lol reddit is the worst place for objectivity I have seen in my 30 years on the internet. I only come here to observe the cesspool of humanity :)",
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"does youtube want to spread misinformation..? I don't understand",
"> There is no way YouTube did this for any other reason than protecting brands.\n\nWhy wouldn't they just let channel owners have an on/off toggle, just like comments, then?",
"I'm not confusing anything, just because China hasn't developed active measures as sophisticated as GRU/FSB yet doesn't mean it's going to remain that way, especially not as their AI technology evolves.\n\nThey mostly focus these efforts domestically, but the whole world was just taught a lesson on how easy and cheap it is to divide people and influence elections in western countries.\n\nYou're using a lot of your and yours in regards to a problem that is equally problematic in UK, AU, France, Germany, Poland, Hungary, etc. Don't let your anti-Americanism blind you to the seriousness of this global threat.",
"It's funny because this was solvable before by companies. Apple simply disabled comments and upvotes and downvotes on YouTube. No reasonable discussion about a new tech announcement happens on YouTube.",
"I understand wanting to remove \"negativity\" from their platform. But if Youtube didn't want dislikes, why not just remove them altogether and just keep likes on. Every other social media does it. People will know that a video is bad when the comments criticizing it get more likes than the actual video.",
"Or just comment DISLIKE and have it be upvoted more than the video itself.",
"The better plan is to never touch the like button and only dislike every video until very creator talks about the need for dislike button.",
"If i am purchasing something I’ve never bought before, I look at the lowest scores reviews. If people are saying the same thing about why they gave it a low score, then I keep looking.",
"Or for political reasons. People can’t express there dislike for anything or anyone. More control from big tech.",
"Which they wouldn't have before either.",
"Floatplane",
"Floatplane",
"Not even close, but nice try",
"> Nobody wants to be YouTube tbh. The infrastructure needed to process and multiple terabytes of video coming everyday is just outrageous\n\ndude it is multiple terabytes every minute, every minute 500hrs of content are uploaded to youtube, youtube processes 5.36 terabytes of data per minute at minimum( if all 500hrs are 480p, which most are not) jsut to store the data, not even counting data prices for transmitting it to 2.6billion users.",
" YEah and their top viewed for the the day has a whopping 900 views.",
"Lol",
"You probably did see numbers. The change is going in waves, so not all videos are immediately impacted. That was part of what I meant with \"temporary\" ways to see numbers, though I definitely didn't spell that out clearly.\n\nSo you weren't necessarily wrong at the moment, but if you check the same video(s) in the future that you checked before, the dislike numbers will eventually be hidden as part of the change.",
"Yooooo champion, here’s your crown 👑",
"Unpopular take: I've never paid attention to the like or dislike ratio or even amount on a single youtube video. I've known it's there but really haven't ever paid attention to it.",
"I just checked, and I can still see dislikes of new videos.",
"Ah I worded that poorly. I was talking about the impact the removal of the public dislike counter had on the number of dislikes people leave on videos, not any supposed removal of dislikes entirely.",
"How many creator will show dislikes in the title of their video?",
"Sorry to say, it will never change... they're milking to cow for the shareholders...\n\nThey only think of profit.",
"I genuinely appreciate this answer for it's usefulness and factual-yet-lateral thinking, so please be more careful in the future when trying to shake hands with cars. 🤓",
"\nCan just as simply be \"Share → Choose app → Choose person → Trim URL BS → Submit\"\n\nDon't stop fighting the good fight. That's how AMP (et al) wins. 🤗",
"Might have not been clear. I use the Share function because it's usually easier and looks better than when I simply copy + paste the URL directly. So when I share, I don't have to trim the URL.",
"Then the bullshit remains intact. Point stands. 🤦🏼♂️",
"I mean, the stuff in the URL is usually just analytics and stuff. Analytics aren't inherently bad.",
"Except when it's not, and except when they're silently hoping you assume such. 🤷🏼♂️",
"Like what?",
"Not if we start taking action against it",
"Numbers aren't bad, agreed, but what is done with them (for profit) can easily be.",
"Huh?",
"There is also sponsorblock. It autoskips sponsor segments, fluff, openings, credits, and it can even autoskip to the highlight of the video. There is also a thumbnail remover that gives you a plain look at the video and there is a community title rewording s\nAdd on that gets rid of the click bait.",
"Just came across one on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/educationalgifs/comments/r7eyt2/how_to_make_a_water_filter_using_paper/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf\n\n3k upvotes lol",
"> and if he was legitimately choosing between Twitch and YouTube, the deal can't have been even 10 million.\n\nThere is literally no evidence that number won't be realized",
"What? We have plenty of evidence to that effect. We know roughly Ludwig’s income, and we know roughly the percent of his revenue generated distributed to the creator for Twitch, so we know roughly his value to the company, and he explicitly said that he was choosing between the two, meaning that the difference between the values of the two deals was similar to the lost income potential from streaming on Youtube. The numbers people are talking about are insane stratospheric stuff.",
"Do you know if the leak was all revenue he got from twitch? If I remember correctly I don't think so. It was just for donations and stuff. \n\nAlso Youtubes goal with ludwig is not to get some kind of surplus from Ludwigs stream. its about trying to break into a new market where Ludwig is seen as some kind of piece too make people change habit into watching youtube instead. \n\nIf you believe they bought him to make money just from his audience your delusional. \n\n>meaning that the difference between the values of the two deals was similar to the lost income potential from streaming on Youtube\n\nWe don't even know if the leak was all the revenue he got from twitch. And we don't know if he cares that much about money, we don't how much ludwig valued doing twitch event types of stuff that he will miss now. We know to little to come up with that conclusion. \n\ntldr; your just guessing, nothing you say proves anything, its just theories based on shitty takes on how you think Companies, Ludwig and the world works.",
"Yes, the leak was all revenue (which is just subscribers and ads), he has also in the past given rough breakdowns of his revenue from other sources though with the introduction of a merch company and changing revenue streams recently there might have been minor changes. \n\nI believe that they paid him in order to grow their platform, I just don't believe that they paid him 5x+ his value. \n\nWe do know both of those things, creators were very explicit about what the numbers represented, and Ludwig clearly cares about money. At least more than he cares about helping either Amazon or Google. \n\nAnd I never said that anything proved anything. I just said that all of the evidence that we have points towards these massive figures being very unlikely. It's entirely plausible that in the coming months the real figure comes out and it's in this ballpark, but based on what we know now that's unlikely.",
"Well yea, he literally mentions the Tom Scott video here.",
"> that's so irrelevant it's dumb to even bring up\n\nNo, it isn't your experience isn't the majority of twitch.\n\n\n\nNo most people did not know of him.",
"yup, I'm teaching myself programing, it is hell",
"They'll probably add something like \"video endorsements\" (Basically Facebook-style post reactions) as a way to combat the feedback and 'fix' it, but nope, they won't bring back the dislike count again",
"yes",
"it's all about youtube wanting to make more people watch more video on their platform so they can make more money off of the users\n\nit's why they wouldn't show like/dislike ratio next to the thumbnail or something before you click on them. if people know/think the video is bad, they wouldn't click on it in the first place.\n\nafter dislike is removed, we're forced to watch the video longer to see if the video is good or bad. youtube is turning into such trash smh",
"> Dislikes were often used to supress dissenting opinions, sometimes they were even given by people who hadn't even watched the video but simply disagreed with what the video maker had done or said in another video. In these scenarios removing dislikes unrelated to the video is removing bias, and thus adding information.\n\nthen youtube should remove the \"like\" button too. if youtube really wants to \"fight for everyone's opinions\" then they should just remove both \"like\" AND \"dislike\" button. by only removing one of them, youtube is not being fair like how it's pretending to be\n\n> Maybe they could implement a system where only people who have watched at least half the video could vote, of course this would tank the metrics so there is no way YT would ever do that but it would have been a better solution IMO.\n\nnot any better imo, people will just leave video to play, then spam",
"i mean it's still useful for a lot of people, that's why it's important to remain imo. like he said, more information is better. it's like if one day wikipedia says that they're changing who can edit the comments or something, i wouldn't be like \"well i never contribute to the articles anyways, who cares\" because there are people who use it",
"if youtube really wants to be fair, instead of pretending to be, then they'd remove both \"like\" and \"dislike\". they'd never do that though, because they're just following other social media platforms while pretending to care about <insert hot issue here>",
"in 2021 december 13th youtube will shut down the API this app uses and the dislike count will be archived/estimated just FYI",
"then hide both like and dislike count(they won't though)",
"That's not the part that I said was irrelevant. Blocked for illiteracy.",
"Hiding dislike is only there for one reason and that’s to protect the flow of money to youtube through companies using it for marketing their products.",
"It's not that users will necessarily leave but there would be less engagement.",
"As a person hard of hearing, that update still annoys the fuck out of me.\n\nYouTube made it harder for me to use their platform, and chooses to do nothing about it. I still don't even understand why they censored swearing in their automated captions, it was completely unnecessary.",
"My bad\nI tend to be hasty lately. Just seeing so much of the same recycled material over n over. People taking other peoples ideas and making them their own just to get views.\nSame as these \" reaction \" youtube channels.\nLiterally making money if not taking money from the original creators.\nIdk.. im just jumpy and irritable lately.\nAgain. My bad. Ill rewatch the video",
"From feedback other creators have had, I believe that it's a channel setting that each creator needs to turn off. The auto captions work in mysterious ways though, so there could be exceptions or other factors.",
"I think, and stick with me please, that if the company that owned pornhub rebranded, or created another streaming site, that it would be a major contender against youtube. However, with pornhubs business model, they'd almost certainly have the same issues as youtube, or worse."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK2WUa8VW1Y
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"Sick!!",
"....... \n\nLens flare",
"Thanks captain obvious. We all know that. Still looks cool tho.",
"You really could have cut like the first 45 seconds off this",
"Bokeh",
"I was definitely expecting this to be a screamer."
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Got an unintentional other worldly special effect on my time lapse video... wait for it...
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[
"I remember seeing this a years ago. [Looks like she kept the props.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTH9MKiYvM0)",
"Gold!",
"Yeah... okay.. I've seen better.",
"Better than Suck them off avatar?",
"Why not link to the original creator? \n\nhttps://youtu.be/dPb7wvWHTUE",
"Because I was only sharing that one song. \nSharing a whole montage of a whole set is a lot to ask of strangers who aren't familiar. \n\n\nI mentioned the name of the show, and the video mentions her name. \nAnyone who wanted to see more of her can do so.",
"Belongs on r/MyEarsAreAlight",
"I haven't watched 8OO10C in a while, but holy crap what happened to Jimmy's hair?",
"Hair transplant. \nHe's been quite public about having a lot of procedures done cosmetically. This is just the most apparent.",
"You good dude, maybe her name in the title next time, just makes it easier to tell who it is if you are watching the video in Reddit instead of going to YouTube, but I wasn’t going to mention it if it hadn’t been brought up.",
"Yes, I only enjoy a single thing at a time. I’m not going to laugh again until I find something better than “who’s on first”",
"I'm not one be like this normally but I feel like she's done this one act like 20 different places. It stops being creative when you only do one thing."
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Misheard Lyrics flipbook (From Cats Does Countdown)
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"Ridiculous question.\n\nGreat answer.",
"Can confirm, it was literally the most intense \\_real\\_ experience of my life. Stupid question from the reporter.",
"Don't say stupid.\n\nMaybe under informed.\n\nYou have to experience it to understand it and not everybody has or will do so.",
"I'll stay with \"stupid\". Any adult should understand the gravity of a person experiencing the birth of a child even if just in the abstract.",
"There's something bad in this feeling where acting like a normal human being is now the height of what we are",
"My entitlement is more important than your existence. -Modern Consumerism",
"You are being too harsh and simplistic. Very narrow understanding.",
"You’re stupid."
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The Height Of The Human Experience
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jKeu1tw_qs&ab_channel=nimloth1986
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[
"Try your sixties. Everything hurts before you start moving.",
"37 here, this hurts to watch 😭😰",
"That's how I started. I could barely do 1 pushup on my knees. Now I do 200 a day. Just keep with it, at 41 (42 in Jan) I'm in the best shape of my life by a mile.",
"I'm 27, will be 28 soon. Doing burpees fucking sucks, no matter what age you are.",
"I think I sneezed a rib out of place today, so, I hate this.",
"I'm 28, I agree. Sucks even harder when you partner with the coach and have to keep up.",
"i get out of bed wrong, and some muscle in my back will hurt for like 2 or 3 weeks\n\nand its all uphill from here",
"41 year old who quit his gym membership when Covid hit checking in. The pain is real.",
"How do u fix",
"put my jacket too quickly yesterday, cant lift my elbow above my shoulder now, wtf",
"I would like to file a complaint with the team that designed humans. We live for +70 years but our bodies were clearly not designed to last more than 30. Please improve the design or provide replacements every 30 years.",
"Don’t stop moving after like 25",
"30s? Baby newbs. Try 50s.",
"until you break something at 35 and it heals with snail speed. or not completely at all anymore.",
"Replacements provided as per design via propagation. \n\nTicket closed: Issue resolved.",
"I am in a better shape and health now at 36 than when I was at 21. \n \nThe secret is to change the way you live and eat rather than only doing occasional bursts of fitness followed by 9 months of slack. \n \nJust 20 minutes of exercise a day can completely change how you look and feel. \nInstead of taking the elevator, walk the stairs. \netc",
"what about 200 miles?",
"maybe if you're a little bitch\n\nI was sick of my fitness level and started doing jump squats, 1 leg squats. pushups, pullups, and mountain climbers with initially seemingly unattainable goal of 25 jump squats, 15 1 leg squats, 30 pushups, 15 pullups and 2 minutes of mountain climbers\n\nI went from 15 jump squats, zero 1 leg squats, 17 pushups, 7 pullups and 40 seconds of mountain climbers to 25, 5, 24, 9, and 65 seconds within a span of 2.5 weeks after not working out for over 2 years and that was with plenty of rest days because I was wrecked.\n\nin the words of joe rogan - EVERYONE SHOULD FUCKING EXERCISE\n\ndon't be nick",
"We want exoskeletons!"
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What it feels like trying to get back into shape in your 30s
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[
"I was not able to understand before they made confused grandmaster.",
"'Confused Grandmaster Noises'....Glad I wasn't the only one",
"They operate at a whole other level. There is a previous video where they are discussing lines faster than you and me can even identify the squares they are mentioning.",
"Their verbal chess is more entertaining than the game itself.",
"As a chess fan I disagree, but it is fun to watch.\n\nBut FIDE tournaments are definitely crazy slow.",
"Chess notation is actually pretty easy to learn, although I still need a board in front of me to figure it out. That they are doing all of that mentally, and so quickly, is insane, but also not uncommon among pro chess players.",
"i have no idea what they see, so I guess I'll take their word for it",
"man smart people really are something else lol",
"One time I wanted to play chess with my friend and he was like 'sure. E2-E4', but I was like 'bro I need a board and pieces'. \n\nAnd that's the story of how I averted getting my ass handed to me in less than 20 turns.",
"It’s hard to imagine how these people perceive the world. Even something like grocery shopping for them is probably optimized a million times over.",
"[I think it was supposed to go a little more like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pFp6iRVM0)",
"The sound Kasparov made in the first Deep Blue match.\n\nAfter Kasoarov asked the guy running the program \"what did I do wrong?\". That would scare the crap out of me if my AI did that to the top chess player, like \"my AI wasnt supposed to do that?\"",
"Intelligence can be quite specialized. I've met some chess masters and they're not super smart about everything.",
"Chess is a game of memory instead of intelligence as well.\n\nWhich is why computers are better at it.",
"I’m not doubting you, but being good at chess undeniably means you are smart. So I wonder if you are not judging their level of intelligence well.",
"Through high school I knew a guy with a 1700+ USCF rating at the age of 14. He was very smart at mathematics, but he barely knew the Civil War from WW2. His interpersonal skills were... um... basically non-existent.",
"well, they are talking about a simple game they have been playing all their life. most people could talk about their profession and seem crazy intelligent. like i've watch the guy stream hes a normal dude who really good at chess.",
"...and those variations are stored in **memory**. \n\nBoom checkmate.",
"How do you know it’s not “strategic incompetence” to avoid things she doesn’t want to do?",
"Suck it chess nerds\n\n/s",
"Yeah you are smart in certain aspects of intelligence. Maybe you are smarter overall in all aspects but I feel like it's important we talk more about the wide spectrum of things you can be smart at.\n\nAnd the brain becomes better at what you use it for.",
"You do realise that 1700 USCF at 14 is quite an average level? National level children hit that level around 8-10. \nInternational level children are on an even stronger scale",
"To be fair history is one of of the most pointless required subjects. You only need to take it like once every couple years. Learning about the same shit every year for annoying",
"I mean it might be.\n\nBut the brain becomes better at what you use it for and if you have a hard time with something naturally you're probably going to avoid doing that thing. So you don't improve, and when you do do that thing you can feel clumsy and awkward or afraid or embarrassed. \n\nAnd thinking you can't get better at it also makes it harder to learn.\n\nBasically, anything we put time into we have the potential to master. If we actually put some effort into improving. \n\nThe issue with getting used to doing something is that we start entering muscle memory territory and we stop being conscious of our actions. \n\nSo if after a certain point you need to start to analyzing what you did after the fact. And be present in the moment while doing it. Try something new.\n\nA perfect example is something like doing the dishes by hand. We probably all have a learned way of doing it and we probably don't care much about trying to improve how we do it. But if you stay present and apply yourself in such mundane tasks you can maybe clean more efficiently and even have fun in the process.\n\nOk I am rambling...",
"That's how they settle draws. Both roll a d6, highest roll wins.",
"I don't mean that they are dumb. Good chess players tend to be smart, but their specific talent is memorizing and computing chess moves and strategic thinking within clear rules. Even those skills are not turned on all the time. They need to concentrate.\n\nI used to be a professional poker player and met chess, bridge, backgammon etc. geniuses who started to play poker because there is more money in poker. These guys could pick up poker strategy and become winning players quickly but could miss some other skill to become top players. I had one particular chess player in mind when I replied. He played solid poker but always the same way and he didn't adjust to his opponents, which is crucial in poker. Another guy seemed aloof of the poker table but when we played a strategy board game he was incredible. First game he was still learning the rules, but after that he could think 5 moves ahead and win every time. Some of these guys were not smart in their personal lives. Didn't take care of their bodies, might go days without sleep, drugs.\n\nI'm rabling. My point is that intelligence is mutifaceted and you could be a genius in one aspect and moron in another.",
"If you have a lot of memory, you can abuse it by thinking of every possible move, but humans only think a dozen moves ahead, and only consider the most common moves their opponent might make, instead of all of them.",
">No.\r \n\r \nAt the highest level, there is quite a bit of memorization of opening lines, but after that, you're on your own. It's down to critical thinking and pattern recognition. It's hardly \"a game of memory instead of intelligence.\".\n\nIt's a game of memory when the game is based on memorizing. Grand Master spend their time memorizing patterns. Patterns is what tells them if they should spend time calculating certain moves that wastes time on their clock. The better you are at seeing patterns, the better you are at optimizing your calculations.\n\n>Computers are not better because of memory. They are better because they can calculate millions of variations per second.\n\nThat's called memory speed.\n\nIf it was a game of intelligence, a computer would not be able to beat you at it because as far as I know, we have not developed artificial intelligence yet.",
"Not really. This kind of knowledge is very specialized. For sure top chess players are smarter than average but they've been studied on general memory tasks and other cognitive tests and surprisingly they don't perform much better than the average person.\n\nThey just have an insane depth of knowledge in the game so they can fluently do things like in the video because they've seen these moves and positions literally tens of thousands of times.\n\nNot knocking their talent, just saying that chess intelligence doesn't necessarily translate to life intelligence.",
"I was under the impression that 1100-1200 was an average player. Or is that in the FIDE scale ?",
"(outraged noises, similar to the sound of a steam train's boiler about to explode)",
"I have to disagree. History is not taught well (in the US at least) but it is an extremely important subject. The saying “those who are ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it” is true. Knowing the mistakes of the past and how prevent us from making them again or how past decisions got us to where we are now is important. Most adults do not need to know math past basic geometry and arithmetic. Most adults do not need to know more than basic grammar and sentence structure. But understanding history can shape views that impact our future.",
"When Hikaru Nakamura solves chess puzzles on his stream, the game for the viewers is not to solve them with him. It is to spot the king before Hikaru has solved it and a new puzzle comes up.",
"I thought for sure Magnus had an advantage but maybe it was just too tedious to actually play out, but I plugged it into a computer and it ends up a stalemate with a rook and three pawns each.",
"What if they roll the same value?",
">only consider the most common moves their opponent might make, instead of all of them.\n\nA modern \"Chess computer\" can also do this.\n\nIt's not stupid calculations of every move possible. There is some finesse to it that has improved with it's programming over time to avoid wasted calculations.",
"They play another game of chess to break the dice roll tie.",
"Possibly, all I am saying is that he is good, just not great.\nIt's like having an A kid in you classroom. There are quite a few of them, but very few become nuclear scientists or Nobel prize winners.",
"> That's called memory speed.\n\nNo. No it is not. it is utterly disingenuous to attempt a redefining of what we mean by memory in this context. \nThe computers are not better because they come in with a library of positions. They are better because they can evaluate future permutations of positions from the current one, much much faster.\n\nAnd that is also what separates the great players from the good players. Why Carlsen has been so dominant.\n\nThat is not a memory game. That is what we would call intelligence. Evaluating the info and acting the best possible way according to the task at hand.\n\nWhich is also why we, yes, have developed artificial intelligence. It does not mean \"an intelligence indistinguishable from a humans\". \nBut some of them can surely figure out how to use Google before posting nonsense on the internet.",
"When they come to that part of the game, they are probably lucky if they have seen the position once or twice before. All depending on the number of moves ofc. \n\nBut if the position was known they would not be discussing it.",
"[Here's another crazy video.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eC1BAcOzHyY) It would appear Magnus has every game of chess ever played committed to memory, and can call up various positions from those games on command--even ones from movies. The funniest part is that Magnus apparently played the guy interviewing him when they were kids, and was instantly able to recognize one of their games.",
"Agree with LMx28 and want to add that this mindset is why so much of the US is currently repeating the same mistakes made 70 years ago. We are now going backwards instead of forward because the people actively taking part in society and leading it don't give enough of a shit about history to learn from it",
"God slipped when he was adjusting carlsen’s intelligence knob.",
"Those who don't know history...",
"It’s great to see such candidness from the best players in the world. Open and friendly dialogue, interested in best chess. As hostile as the moves may be on the board, it’s just a game.",
"This is more novelty, but funny and still quite impressive:\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGQfgBRNdMs",
"I used to play go at a reasonably high level. And people are similar to this as well. \n\nIt's less that they are smart, more that a lot of the game just becomes intuition after playing 10000 games. Similar to how an average person doesn't have to plan their steps when walking down the stairs.",
"Yeah over his career magnus has proven he doesnt mind sitting through 5 hours of a tedious ending if it nets him the W",
"What are they going to do in that room with their 3 pawns...",
"Well dont forget tgey are from the same gen and have played in tournaments together since they were children.",
"despite the downvotes I think you make a good point. there's no way their intelligence is isolated to just chess. there is something about the ability to recognize patterns and moves that they have applied to chess, but i would wager they would be very good at things like operations management for example, even if they wouldn't call it that",
"Lol meant to say rook",
">Which is also why we, yes, have developed artificial intelligence. \n> \n>But some of them can surely figure out how to use Google before posting nonsense on the internet.\n\nThis speaks merit.",
"So…. Technically they don’t need the chess board and pieces to be there, and they’re just doing it for us slow pokes who can’t follow?",
"Technically they could go for a run together and play an entire game just by speaking the moves to each other.",
"wanted to chime in as a roughly 1800 rated fide player, the important thing to keep in mind is that theyre not remembering every single move and associate that with the player as some sort of memory exercise, rather they know an opening, where it deviates and then, especially if they improve on it, remember who played it and when. i doubt magnus wouldve been able to recount some odd blitz game between two super gms, but invanchuk missing mate in 1 is a super well known game, especially if youre part of that circle. \nimagine a soccer fan seeing a goal and immediately being \"oh that was against so and so fc in like 2015 right? when they met in the quarters of ucl?\" \nonce youre so deeply ingrained into chess and work with openings and seconds and u look at high quality chess to improve upon, you get a different connection. most people rated 1500+ are probably able to memorize 8 different boards at once, because the dont remember every single piece, but rather the position as a whole. \n\n\nthat being said, magnus still has an incredible memory and is probably the best there ever was so i dont want to take anything away from it, just makes me chuckle whenever people outside of chess watch something like this and are amazed. its all about repitition, just like the world championship :(",
"[Here](https://defector.com/your-complete-guide-to-the-2021-world-chess-championship/) is a nice beginner's guide to the matchup. Carlsen is the favorite, but Nepomniachtchi is apparently a very fast player (notice how much more time he has left in the video!) who actually has a winning record against Carlsen in previous matches.",
"Here's an [article](https://www.wsj.com/articles/world-chess-championship-magnus-carlsen-ian-nepomniachtchi-seconds-11638167905) ([no paywall](https://archive.ph/BhUqn)) you might find interesting. Previously Ian helped Magnus train for the 2014 championship.",
"Carlsen had a period of 2 years where he didn't lose a single game, against the most skilled players on earth. Every single game he either won or drew the game, and that hadn't ever been done before. \nHe also is a world champion in not only standard chess, but in rapid AND blitz. Before Carlsen they said it couldn't be done because it requires completely different strategies. \nPeople like to point to Fischer or Spassky when discussing the GOAT, but there has demonstrably never been a grandmaster so far ahead of his peers before.",
"Every game at that level is tedious. If there was even a tiny chance of a win then either player would definitely have gone for it.",
"Unknown people to me, so they start with 0 credibility.",
"So this is basically singing the alphabet song in their head, but with chess.",
"How close is chess to being a solved game?",
"That’s actually really accurate description.",
"Dude it’s just a game they’re good at. You gonna say the same thing about people who are really good at Tetris?",
"And I'd wager 90% of them a grandmaster can win with his eyes closed, so cut this \"all combinations\" math down to \"all viable positions\" math.",
"and guys like Magnus could do that against 10 people at once.",
"One of the most fun chess facts I know is the idea of \"[the novelty](https://www.chess.com/terms/novelty-chess),\" which is the point at which a game diverges from all other recorded games and becomes one of those trillions of unique possibilities.",
"You are just objectively wrong on 1700 being average at all, but especially for a 14 year old. It may be average for those who compete regularly or something, but that is not \"average\" in terms of a typical school population.",
"https://youtu.be/k3GNCHfN1zA\n\nHere he is doing just that against Harvard lawyers. They don’t say the level of the players though. One guy instead of having magnus sign his board asked him to write the notation for their game and magnus did just that. He’s crazy good. \n\nAt the end one of the commentators tells a story about magnus doing the same thing but with the top junior players in Norway when magnus was 15. He went 7.5-2.5.",
"Depends what you mean by \"solved\" - if you mean \"all positions known as white/black win or draw\" then a LONG way, such that it's impossible with any imaginable tech really.\n\nIf you mean \"what does chess look like with best play?\" the answer is most probably a draw.",
";-) That is Iker Casillas, long time goal keeper for one of the world's best football clubs: Real Madrid.",
"I got really into Go and sadly I just couldnt find enough beginner level english language content. I would play on the smaller board against AI and practice calculating the scores and could never reach the same number. It always seemed like there was some fundamental rule or concept that made a cluster dead i couldnt understand",
"Wow, Magnus handpicked him to help him. No wonder their rapport is so fluid. Thank you joshvarty",
"Without a big leap in quantum computing - a long ways off.\n\nThere are more variations of chess than there are atoms in the universe.\n\nFor example at how complex the game is:\n\nIt's white turn to move. And if played perfectly, has forced mate in 546 moves. https://i.redd.it/ekbm70vsddm51.png",
"and magnus can make nakamura look like a newb, literally pre-moving an entire game against him, and still winning.",
"It's absurd. I can't even figure out what color I'm supposed to be before he's on to the next one.",
"Shit, my Google-fu is failing me, anyone got a link to that moment? [Found this, but I feel like it's not the right thing.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KF6sLCeBj0s)",
"I have a feeling the video you're thinking of is fake. There is also one where Hikaru pre-moves against Magnus",
"Magnus is undoubtedly the best chess player maybe ever but Nakamura is no slouch especially at blitz/bullet. You make it sound like Magnus can beat him easily but they've had some good matches over the years.",
"To your point, I have so many baseball/basketball/football fans who do \\*exactly\\* this to me and absolutely BLOW my mind with their recollection of games. Its all passion and what their memory wants to remember because they actually care about it. Same thing with watch makers being able to identify a movement from 1950. Same thing with food tasters being able to detect a strange element in a dish --- Its all just memory and senses associated with what you care about. Anyone and everyone \\*can\\* do this.",
"Currently, they are working backwards. With limited # of remaining pieces on the board. ie. 2 Kings only (one for each player). and then +1 pawn on one side, then +1 pawn on both sides etc.\n\nThese are called Tablebases, essentially solving endgame positions into known results. I believe there exists complete tablebases for up to 7 pieces or so currently. Each additional piece adds exponentially more positions to solve. \n\nAnd the starting board of chess has 32 pieces. \n\nSo magnitudes far off.",
"good kind of autism",
"I don't think he's referring to the 1997 match.",
"Top 100 in the world is 2200 at 14.\nTop 100 in all the Americas is 1900\n1700 is around 70th in Germany.\n1700 is around 40th in Turkey.\n\nAs I said, 1700 at 14 is nice but not something to shout about as an example of someone genius but awkward.",
"No, he's referring to 1996 Game 1, but the video does show 1996... something.",
"fpl legend",
"yeah, it was spliced from a different game, they just showed magnus losing in the camera, but it wasn't real",
"Well then the USCF website I just looked at needs to update its numbers then.....\n\nThe current top 100 List on their website, regardless of federation, at age 14, cuts off at 1894. I don't know what else to tell you.",
"Formatting on a phone may be the culprit, but I think we are saying the same thing: the hundredth U14 is about 1900 (I looked at Fide for all the American continent, you looked at USCF for the US).",
"I'm pretty sure Magnus doesn't have games I have played committed to memory. If he does, they definitely make him a worse player.",
"You probably would have answered with E5 and he would do Ke2 and it would have been all over.",
"i feel like the perfect super hero power would be to have a perfect memory... these guys are kinda insane when it comes to memory like that",
"At this point I doubt they'd even need to speak",
"Not even remotely close at all by humans.",
"If you weren't joking, those [videos](https://youtu.be/QZ7-8MntaEo) are all edited. \n\nThey can do that to low level chess noobs, but they won't ever be able to do that against another GM. Not even against the lowest of titled players I'd think.",
"Link?",
"The 50 move rule would kick in well before that though. There's only 6 capturable pieces. After 50 moves of no pawn moves or capture, it's a draw. So the game can only last ~300 moves at most, depending on what happened just before getting to this position.",
"Bongcloud?\n\nBro this chess humor is hard to follow for my 1180 elo on chess.com ass.",
"I literally linked it in the post you're replying to. I believe that footage is from 1996 considering they're playing in a different place than the footage from 1997 I've found, but I haven't found a single full game.",
"I used to play MTG with a guy that would keep a chess board set up next to where we played and anyone that got mouthy about winning at a card game he'd challenge to a game of chess. Often these bros would talk up a big game so he'd ask if they wanted to play for money(usually never more than $10 just to prove a point). \n\nThe twist? He would put a divider up and he'd never look at the board, and he wouldn't stop playing cards. It was always fucking incredible watching these thick headed guys get whooped by a guy who doesn't even stop what he's doing to beat you🤣",
"I don't really have time for full games, so I just obsessively play the 2-4 move puzzles. This board is giving me a seizure. I hate it.",
"What the hell? That is incredible.",
"Sorry, I thought you were referring to a different 1996 video. Thanks.",
"I too have no idea who is better or why... does that make me a chess grandmaster?",
"I was actually going to say this too. Good to see they picked up on it.",
"Time to seriously reduce the time limits for play? Or would that not even impact them to play blitz?",
">magnus can make nakamura look like a newb\n\nNakamura has taken games off of Carlsen before -- \nSo, no, not really. \n\n\nHikaru is a superGM himself and I'm sure Magnus respects games against him, even if he wins most often. \n\n\nThe 'pre-move' videos of Hikaru vs Magnus are edited.",
"It would - but an argument for these long time controls is that it allows for them to play the *highest level* chess. That is, as close to perfect games as reasonably possible. Shorter time controls would push them toward potentially less optimal lines.\n\nEven though some consider it boring, its understandable that they would want the opportunity to simply play the best matches they possibly can.\n\nBlitz/Rapid can definitely be more digestible for a normal audience though. It would be a good move, imo, for Fide to try to capitalize more on the recent growth of Chess.",
"The Zapata and Anand one makes no sense to me because it was a generic Petrov's defense opening. Checking chess.com's grandmaster game database, there's over 25,000 games with those exact same moves.",
"Yeah, a game is solved when optimal play is known for all scenarios. Games with feet possible states have been solved like Tic-Tac-Toe and checkers.",
"> but Nepomniachtchi is apparently a very fast player (notice how much more time he has left in the video!)\n\nIt was not about speed at all. It was basically Ian putting up a good defense to a Magnus novelty as white and Magnus running through every option he could think of for 50 minutes to see if there could be an advantage with white before settling on the draw. \n\nMagnus is also a better blitz/rapid player, so if need be, he can be faster and more accurate than Ian. However, for a 7 hour classical game at this level, speed really doesn't matter that much.",
"The position was the bad kind of equal - materially imbalanced and only equal because both players have chances. It's one thing to play out a drawn but 'safe' tablebase-like endgame hoping your opponent blunders, but this is a game both players would have to continue to calculate well into an endgame to maintain equality. Magnus was already fairly low on the clock at this point too, so I think he just made a practical decision. I mean I'm sure he could do it and draw regardless without flagging if he was pressed to, but it would have been unnecessarily risky this early in the match.",
"When he reaches the limit of what he can hold in his head (say 20 games, but I have no idea), would just lose track of all the board states and everything will fall apart, or would he still be able to win a bunch of them but not all?\n\nIe, for some number of games (20? 30?) blindfolded, would he just lose all of them?",
"Would probably be harder vs low level players since low level players will make at least a couple (essentially, to these guys that can find the best moves from almost any state) random moves in that time.",
"Wow, it's been a while since I've seen that movie. I didn't remember that kid being such a bad actor.",
"Not quite. Especially not in speed chess.",
"I didn’t say, Not take it. I said it’s pointless to take so often. I had to study the revolutionary war 10+ times during school. Once was enough",
"If you know someone is pre moving, you can make some crazy moves that would normally be throwing away a piece but would gain a material advantage when the other player needs an extra move to respond. Like throwing a bishop at a protected pawn on a diagonal with their queen and then taking the queen because the pre-move didn't expect that bishop to suddenly be attacking the queen.\n\nThat said, setting that situation up without losing the game before it can be capitalized on (or even despite it working) would be easier said than done at that level.",
"They're not \"smart\", they just spend 8+ hours everyday practicing chess since they were kids. \nIf you did that too, you'd be able to do the same thing ...",
"It'll probably play out like the last championship did and go to faster games where more inaccuracies are played.",
"ah... well they got me then! that's funnier now that i've believed it and used it as an argument. lol",
"That was my first thought but I think they just edited and skipped a part. You can see that when he is answering, the game is actually further along.",
"> The 'pre-move' videos of Hikaru vs Magnus are edited.\n\ndang. they 100% got me, then! haha. i figured it was part of a series where they were maybe playing the same openings repeatedly and magnus just guessed right on the next end sequence hikaru would try one time, based on a like a progression of similar games.",
"Yeah, fair -- \n\n\nI thought they were just messing around at first too - but I think they took videos of pre-moves against low level players and just edited in the camera of Hikaru or vice versa.",
"He must be at least the second best chess player in the world",
" I was watching a stream of this game on a Russian channel with Sergey Karjakin (sp?) Who I believe is still in the top 10. He said he hates blindfold chess and lost track of 3 games out of 4 when he was doing this at some event. Meanwhile a lot weaker players can do extremely large number of these at once. So there's a correlation between chess ability and chess blindfold ability but it's imperfect.",
"He’s been the world champion for the last decade. Currently at least second best though.",
"i had this issue when i began learning go, and then i realized it's kind of a waste to try and score the game while you're playing it-- it's much more clear what's dead or not when the dust is settled.\n\nafter having the experience to see where the table ended up after playing games through instead of focusing on my score made me able to understand when my stones were dead or not a lot more often",
"He'd probably start losing track of a few pieces from a couple of boards to start out with. He may blunder on those boards, which may cause him to lose, but also, he's Magnus fucking Carlsen, so unless those players were at least good at the game (1800+), he'd probably win in spite of the blunders.",
"I don't know enough about blindfolded chess, but I would have guessed that if you blunder a piece due to forgetting the state of the board, it's really hard to get it back.\n\nLike I'm sure he could beat me (blindfolded) if he was down a couple of pieces and he knew the board, but if he lost track of what the board looked like, it'd be pretty hard. I think you lose if you try to make an illegal move too.",
"so how does the horsey move again?",
"Im actually referring to end of game! Ill read the rules concering when a stone is dead, be like ok makes sense, game shows different score.... nani....",
"One of the things I find particularly fascinating about Carlsen is how *normal* he seems. Most people who are at the pinnacle of some particular skillset end up just being *weird people* because of all of the sacrifices they have to make to get there. They're like freakish greyhounds warped by being bred only for speed. Look at Paul Erdős.\n\nBut Carlsen just seems like a regular well-adjusted dude.",
"As chess fan maybe, as a consumer of live events (sports, esports, whatever curling is) if I'm really being honest with myself I'm disappointed. I don't think great chess is meant to be appreciated live, but looking back. it takes a couple minutes to go through the games and get 98% of the appreciation for the games as i would watching it live. But realistically I'm spending hours following a game that I can consume in a fraction of the time. Doesn't make me less glad they're played or less excited to see the results (I've been using chess24 on my phone at work to check the latest at work in the morning). Add to it that you start rooting for anything but a draw knowing you're rooting for a losing bet. it's just a little hard to feel the hype even as someone who is somewhere beyond a casual chess fan",
"You're not wrong, I just hate it.",
"Reminds me of my favourite moment from the game Dragon Age: Inquisition. If you bring Iron Bull and Solas with you after a certain side-mission, they'll play chess through their dialogue while walking around.\n\nIt's pretty fun to listen to and some fans found that they're actually playing a chess match known as the Immortal Game.",
"That was awesome.",
"Carlsen is such a gem",
"For some people that would make them even more hostile to each other.",
"I paused it when he answered... the game isn't further along at all. You can see on the white side only the knight and pawn had moved when he is answering what it is.",
"it is the reason why chess is flawled. it is fine at lower level but these people play by having memory of past moves. chess is childplay compared to \"baduk go\"\n\nbobby fisher was right it is something to flex but they aren't really \"playing\"",
"Not sure what his limit is, but it probably depends on how fast he's playing. There's another YouTube video where someone shows him board positions and he identified the game where that position was reached, including Harry Potter and some of his own previous matches. He studies every game he can, memorizes the entire sequence of moves that was played it, and can reference those board positions later.\n\nIf he can do that, he could probably internalize hundreds of continuous games as long as he could have the time to study them between each move",
"Implying that knowledge of history means you won’t be an asshole is…. Well… weird.",
"I didn't say you wouldn't be an asshole, but it might prevent things like racism, abuse, violence, murder, genocide on a global scale....that kind of thing. One can be an asshole without being the kind of person that hates someone for the color of their skin or the religion they follow. Also, it's really not all that weird since people have shown a historical trend of learning from their mistakes.",
"Right, but that analysis is still very much based on the foundation of chess knowledge they've built up. They aren't starting from nothing. They may not have seen that exact scenario before, but they have almost certainly seen similar variations of it and have a general sense of the progression from that type of board state.\n\nIts analogous to a mathematician solving a proof they haven't seen before. They may not have walked through those exact steps before and so they need to think through it, but they are often able to solve it using strategies and principles they've encountered doing other proofs.",
"That kind of logic can be applied to anything we would label \"intelligence\". We don't come out of the womb building rockets.",
"Sure. Intelligence in a specific domain is primarily built from practice. That's not what I was disagreeing with OP about. I was disagreeing that \"chess intelligence\" translates to general intelligence outside of the chess domain.",
"On that we agree.",
"Amazing. I know he was good but waouh. Truly a genius.",
"Coincidentally he does just that in the next match 😂",
"As he proved!",
"The board helps, GMs sometimes play blindfold and they can make mistakes and think a piece is somewhere other than where it is by mistake.",
"There are FIDE blitz tournaments, there is one coming up in a couple of weeks.",
"Magnus's mind just boggles me. I remember there was a time where he went against like 10 opponents at the same time but he was faced away from the boards and had to mentally keep track of all those pieces and their positions times 10. Truly fascinating.",
"Ah, cool. TIL.\n\nI'm a frequent but very amateur chess player and only the most armchair of fans of pro chess, so there's a lot about the competitions I'm unfamiliar with."
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Chess Grandmasters Magnus Carlsen and Ian Nepomniachtchi, after agreeing to a draw in game 4 of the world championship, play out a sequence of moves in conversation which justifies the decision to draw (as neither player could gain an advantage).
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"He looks like he smells good.",
"probably tastes good, too.",
"I would like to know more about how it resets the bone",
"Damn that must be some drink whiskey and bite down on something hard pain",
"Concept is still used today. Called a sager splint.",
"The modern equivalent is called a traction splint. I've never seen more relief on somebody's face in my entire life than when paramedics applied a traction splint to some dude's busted femur and it pulled the broken halves away from one another.",
"You stick your leg in, and it braces against the inner thigh/groin. Then they pull your foot downwards towards the end, separating the mashed together broken and jagged ends of your femur, and tie your foot to the bottom part, so that it keeps the jagged ends from mashing together again.",
"That process sounds like it hurts a whole lot.",
"Early Traction splint. Still used today, well, later designs of course. We had them in the ambulances and fire engines I used to run.",
"God, I can only imagine. A bunch of tissues getting smashed, then stabbed by your broken bone, while any muscles that still work all charley horse.",
"he fetches data to train a model to infer the dislikes based on the ration views/likes good, too.",
"Weirdly enough, the moment you pull on the foot and separate the jagged ends of the femur from stabbing each other, it's an overwhelming immense amount of relief to the victim. You would think pulling on a broken limb would only hurt more, but the sheer amount of pain they're in before you release all that pressure is 100 times worse than you manipulating a broken limb.",
"I looked it up!\n\nhttps://youtu.be/UlvQ95ZXew4\n\nThat is really interesting! Thank you for sharing!",
"I feel better now"
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This device changes the statistics from 80% of dying to an 80% of surviving
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"\"Oh boy! Sleep! That's where I'm a viking!\" - Ralph Wiggum",
"Nice visuals! Big geek when it comes to those two sagas. I think I would have liked a bit more primary source quotes throughout though!\n\nAlso it's funny that when people guess where Norse went beyond Newfoundland they skip all the nearby Canadian islands and land (including the St Lawrence basin), and shoot straight for a spot just beyond the US border. :P\n\nEdit:[ my response to your downvotes](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDNZX2nql2Y)",
"Thought it was gonna be an episode of Deadliest Warrior.",
"Scared off by the titties.",
"Cause Reddit is a shit hole mate.\n\nEnjoy your downvote.",
"You know what drives me crazy? People can't be bothered to Google how to pronounce the word Newfoundland. Seems like everyone is just perfectly happy to call it New-Finland. \n\nNewfoundland rhymes with understand."
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First Contact: The Viking vs Native American Battles
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"Relevant to what is going on in the world right now.",
"You’ll notice the reasonable old man looks around at everyone losing their minds and just shakes his head. But hey, the news entertainment is successful at what they do.",
"Which is the perfect situation. The news entertainment has people yelling in Atlanta & Baton Rouge and all over the place. Things are stable, and they get their ad money.",
"One of the greatest movies ever made. Still as relevant today as it was in 1976.",
"You can say this for literally any piece of media that’s a couple of years old.\n\nHistory constantly repeats itself",
"It’s so I can feel smug and be lazy at the same time \n\nPerfect for the average young person",
"Until it comes time to hit the voting booth and you young people are notably absent.\n\nThe boomers fucking suck. A lot.\n\nBut the boomers fucking vote a lot too.",
"This must be the inspiration for the latest Alan Partridge series' final episode!",
"No, they don't vote plenty.\n\nBecause exactly that WOULD change rhe fact that the country is run by old fucks, etc",
"Network 2021 - And after they finished yelling they all went online and became Q-idiots. \n\nIt’s not enough to just say you are mad as hell. You have to identify what you are mad at, find someone with a plan that you think can fix that problem, and then support them. Otherwise some troll farm is going to harness your general anger and weaponize it for their own gains. They will tell you who to be mad at, make them an out group, make up stories about how they roam the streets doing evil things or hang out in basements doing satanic rituals until you wrap yourself in a flag and attack the capital because that’s the only thing left for you to take your rage out on.",
"People saw how deftly OWS was outmaneuvered, and understand that doing the same thing will not result in anything they want. The people are waiting for the bipartisan system to fall onto itself before starting to make moves.",
">You have to identify what you are mad at, find someone with a plan that you think can fix that problem, and then support them\n\nwell, the qtards did all that and look where they ended up\n\nthis wheel will spin a few more times and then the people will want to break the cycle",
"So happy this was posted. Can someone tell me the movie name. I remember watching this and can not remember the movie foe the life of me.",
"If you don’t feel something when watching this scene you clearly don’t know what’s going on in the world and it’s just “fictional” to you 🙄",
"In today's language: REEEEEEEEE",
"Uh huh. I so often see people quote this movie clip along with Alex Jones and reasons why they won't vote or be just a responsible adult for routine things like bathing",
"Network",
"Out of curiosity, OP, what are you mad as hell about?",
"[The most fitting speech for 2021 comes later in this movie.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuBe93FMiJc)\n\nNed Beatty was right 50 years ago. I have this rant memorized.",
"And Occupy Wall St before it. \nAnd the Tea Party before it.",
"Should be shown in high school classrooms at the start of an actual civics class.",
"> You have to identify what you are mad at, find someone with a plan that you think can fix that problem, and then support them.\n\nYou are describing an ancient trap, not a fresh solution. \n\nIdentify that your needs are no different from those around you, regardless of their background. \nPlan with your neighbors to **support one another**. \nOrganize against special interests that WILL try to break you apart. And stop putting your FAITH in a \"daddy\" figure that promises to make it all better FOR you. And then DO THE GODDAMN WORK.",
"You're not fully wrong. But younger people don't have the luxury to take a tuesday off from work to travel across the county to their polling station.",
"And you're no better than them for dismissing the salient point delivered by the clip just because people you disagree with got it before you did. Low energy.",
"The very next scene is showcasing how high the news show's rating got, and how popular it became because of these rants.",
"The internet has ruined you. Have another day.",
"Wasn't that the point of the movie?\n\nIneffectual, pointless and monetized yelling at clouds?",
"I've never actually scene this movie or clip but its sampled in The New Black by Perturbator. It's such an awesome way to start an album.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/w6-ckQhRmYQ",
">well, the qtards did all that and look where they ended up\n\nWaiting for a dead JFK Jr. to reappear on the spot his father was murdered to appoint Trump as the God-King of America?",
"Yes. Yes it is. That context could be missed by people watching this video alone not knowing that. This video could be a call to cry out for many of the context isn’t pointed out.",
"You beat me to it. I have this memorized too. Brilliant scene that is way too damned scary because it's fairly true.",
"lol the tea party was a meme of morons.",
"The problem is that there is a large chunk of the population that will litterally die to defend these people at the top because they think they are a couple hard days work from being well off. We all have the same needs but a chunk of the population goes out of its way to try making sure that others don't get what they need. Until we address that portion of the population they are nothing but a meat shield for the top.",
"Seriously? What is it that you think the salient point is? Because it's clear by the clip that it's profiting off of the façade of political discourse without substantiation. \"We hit the mother-load!\" \n\n\nI don't need a movie to encourage genuine existential values, and even when I am looking for authentic inspiration for transcendental political living - it certainly won't be from this example, exploiting that venture for the sake of engagement, views, and profit.",
"Quite a lot but it can all be attributed to capitalism I guess.",
"Go on.",
"This is a scene about the media learning to sell you outrage. If you feel inspired by his words, think twice. He offers no solutions. Only anger.",
"I wouldn't dare. The hivemind doesn't tolerate those that speak ill of capitalism.",
"No, that’s just literally what “REEEEEEEE” means.\n\n[LOL, this downvote brigade response is almost too poetic... Um, sorry, guys?]",
"The Tea Party had real people in it before it was co opted. Your response is exactly what we are talking about.",
"Those people have the same needs you do. Address that. Attacking them only makes their faith in their abusers stronger.",
"> I don't need a movie\n\nSo you haven't watched the movie. I have. Multiple times. \n\nDon't be mad that you don't understand the context. You have to watch the movie to get it properly. Let me know when you're finished, let's chat.",
"Also if I remember correctly, the guy actually ranting is off his rocker and the news company is just taking advantage of it, right?",
"The irony of telling me to not be mad while arguing on behalf of a clip supposedly encouraging being mad for the sake of authentic living is hilarious. \n\n\nLet me know when you've read a single Camus, then we can talk about what authentic existential values are. \n\n\n\\^ See how pretentious that sounds? That's you.",
"I mean, that clip of the guy screaming \"Stop raping people\" at the seattle encampment making the rounds over and over was really successful propaganda.",
"Yeah. Same needs like health care and living wage. That’s why those are so easy to do.",
"they are just giving the people what they want. ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯",
"OWS is Occupy Wall St\n\nTea Party leaders have been calling the shots with Trump for a couple years",
"Right? This is literally what Bill O'Rielly and Rush and Hannity all did to manipulate a giant segment of the population to just be continually outraged. In fact, I'm fairly certain one of these guys used THIS EXACT CLIP on their radio program intro montage, lol.",
"\"The people\" will want a lot of different things if you sell them to them properly. Otherwise advertising would not be the industry it is.",
"Hey guy. Sorry you're mad about reddit. Watch the movie. Holla.",
"anger and fear are the easiest things to sell to people, That's why the media industry is the hot pile of shit that it is today.",
"Sorry, I saw OWS but assumed BLM. Same thing happened to BLM, even more so. \n\nI'm still shocked at how many people are convinced BLM is literally burning America to the ground one city at a time.",
"The movie is called Network",
"The Network is about how the news manipulates both its star anchor and the viewing populace for profit. Its really good - you can see it in this clip where Fae is ecstatic that they've hit the motherload in terms of causing a sensation that the network will profit from.",
"It's my money and I need it now!",
"Pre-COVID, my husband and I were drinking a bottle of wine together and saw an advertisement for Network on Broadway. Brian Cranston starring as Howard Beale. We bought matinee tickets……and then figured out how to get to NYC. We flew to NYC for the weekend. Cranston (he won the Tony!) was amazing and 10/10 that random trip was worth it.",
"You’re half right. Anger doesn’t equal action, but apathy is an incredibly hard habit to break. Trying to proactively engage people and have them educate themselves and engage civically is a complex task, requiring a lot of different motivators. Outrage is genuinely one of them.",
"Oh come off it lol\n\nYou’re on Reddit, stop acting oppressed lol",
"He's talking about the media though, they don't give a shit about your apathy",
"Network. The screenplay is like a masterclass in screenwriting.",
"I think it’s network. Just google I’m mad as hell and I’m not gonna take it anymore and you’ll find it",
"The \"Tea Party\" was fully orchestrated by right-wing media from the top down. There was never anything \"organic\" about it.",
"RIP Filmstruck",
"The ending when he’s being lectured by someone from *The Board* is really telling.",
"The Tea Party started as an astroturf operation by mega-donors and political operatives. It was never a grassroots movement to be co-opted.",
"It's got to be properly directed. You've got to take that outrage and show people how to use it constructively. Currently we have Fox News, the *total* opposite of that, outrage used to sell and manipulate instead of empower.",
"Love this speech, the kleptones set it to music, I love this track\n\nhttps://youtu.be/Cv9Il6MPlIA",
"Bruh this is Reddit lol",
"Nah, they've moved on to all the people predicting that JFK and Jr would rise from their grave to all their talking heads declaring themselves as Jesus.",
"> I wouldn't dare.\n\nAre you scared of downvotes?",
"You are messing with the fundamental nature of things and I won't have it.",
"People don't know what they want. Golden rule of marketing.",
"\"I want you to get mad\" is usually what follows that line. \"I'm a human being dammit. My life has value.\"",
"lol, no hahaha, just, no. Holy shit lmao. The sarah palin clowns never had anything. This is my favorite take.",
"This is reddit, where all the spoiled American college kids who have taken their first courses come to whine and cry about how communism was treated wrong. Stop acting like a victim.",
"I like this version more https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=juFSNpjbVN4",
"Its annoying that you started out correctly arguing apathy vs engagement as a complex habit, then immediately tried simplifying it. Outrage is not genuinely a \"required\" motivator to break apathy, and this scene (and the whole movie) is a warning against being so reductive.",
"lol, did you even read. We are trying to give them healthcare currently and they fight against it, we try to raise the minimum wage and they fight against it, try to protect their rights and they fight it. They are not smart enough to be counted on.",
"Seriously, dude is acting like these are reasonable people.",
"People don’t know what they want until you show it them",
"Ah yes, the \"I am very smart\" dialogue that is put into every half assed song ever made trying to make \"the sheeple think for themselves\"",
"Bit what happens when they go to the extremes, and adapt fascist beliefs? How are you supposed to negotiate with someone who's idealogy demands the destruction of all others?\n\nTo put it bluntly, even just tolerating them is kicking the can down the road, whilst they gather strength. \n\nUnfortunately, there's just some shitheads that cannot be tolerated for a continued democracy, and people need to know that.",
"There’s a spectrum between totally uncaring and totally obsessed, totally emotionally unreactive and totally emotionally consumed. \n\nEngaging emotional responses in people is often a necessary element of a lot of advocacy, particularly if you need to change their mind. Simply put, people have limited resources for their decision making, and logically considering all of the pros and cons is cognitively taxing. Emotional reasoning is a tool we rely on. In a perfect world, we could use it to overcome every injustice. But often what we hear and see are stories of impotent outrage that nothing valuable comes from",
"I love this movie and point to it all the time to people as the downfall of the press. I swear the 24 news channels execs watched this and were like, this guy is onto something. When the news stopped being about news and became about ratings it was a serious problem and I don't think we will ever fix it. This movie predates 24 hour news but clearly its the foundation on how they built their programing. Make sure people get mad about something because outrage will cause people to tune in.",
"Society enjoys being angry, it's what sells. Society loves to be outraged and are taught to hate the ones who don't think the same way they do. This behavior has been amplified over the last decade and I truly believe that we will spiral into a dystopian world within the next decade, our behavior is not sustainable.",
"I mean this is precisely how the last president got elected.\n\nPeople are justifiably mad about how the world works, but have no idea what to do about it.\n\nSo some of them end up listening to a guy who validates their feelings and tells them he will solve all their problems.\n\nEncouraging people to be mad without offering any kind of nuance or solution just makes everything worse.",
"Apathy broken to no meaningful end is worse than apathy. It's toxicity weaponized to chaos. It's how we get Trump and QAnon.",
"Half the stuff qidiots think they hate they actually support, you're right.",
"And that kind of indignant anger and the sensation of having \"woken up\" to a deeper truth, without any meaningful theory or grounding in reality behind it, is how you get deep-seated conspiracy theories.",
"Have you actually seen Network? The film this clip is from?\n\nDid you understand the premise of this scene?",
"Exactly. Centrists are sooooo insufferable.",
"The cinematography in this film is just top notch.",
"Also the desire for *someone* to be responsible for the systemic reasons that make your miserable.\n\nIt's easier to blame one specific person or group rather than admitting that, yeah, that's just how systems work, unfortunately.",
"Or creating a throwaway account just to make idiotic, baseless claims like a coward.",
"Its my money and I need it now! \n\nCALL JG WENTWORTH 877 CASH NOW !!!",
"correct. he threatened suicide on live television and was subsequently fired. he then apologized to his friend/co-worker, who gave him an opportunity to apologize on air to the viewers, but was really just doing it to see the ratings spike-- this clip is what happens instead.\n\neveryone took the movie as a satire, but the writer/director said it was meant to reflect reality.",
"Right? I mean he's not wrong in a lot of what he says, but the moment he says \"I'm not gonna tell you to write your congressmen or protest\" it's pretty obvious he's just selling outrage, which is the whole point of the movie, and is what a lot of people seem to miss.",
"What this clip shows is a false sense of unity.\n\nReminds me of how Congress always has a really low approval rating, everyone hates Congress - but most people like their own representative. No, it's those *other* idiots that keep electing bad people!",
"I guarantee that a lot of people, historically and today, who empathize with this clip, are \"mad as hell\" about all those socialists and their big government who keep screwing with the free market capitalist system.",
"“I want you to sell me this pen.” Great scene.",
"Unfortunately the writer was right",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1MBRElQrFE that's also nice",
"Can confirm, have not raped anyone since then.",
"Written by Paddy Cheyevsky who also wrote the insanely good and touching screenplay Marty as well as The Hospital and Altered States.",
"True meaning aside, this is such a compelling speech. Articulate passion is honestly mesmerizing.",
"Yeah that's why one of the fastest growing subs is /r/antiwork . It's so Hard to voice your anti capitalist ideas here.",
"Breaking apathy, getting people furious about... something?...and then giving them **nothing** to do about it, is how you create lone wolf terrorists.",
"This one as well.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/3HQTNZRmJdg",
"great use of this sample",
"Call J.G. Wentworth 877-CASH-NOW! 877-CASH-NOW! Call now!",
"Narrator: they all continued to take it.",
"They watched the first half and thought it was brilliant but failed to watch the ending where it all comes crashing down.",
"My favorite part about this scene is that he internalizes this rant and then is shot for it. Not because he's uncovering a vast conspiracy, but because his ratings go down when he starts actually addressing real issues.",
"Ned Beatty was a goddamn national treasure.",
"It gives me chills every time I hear it.",
"Well, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!",
"Yes me too , relevant now as ever if not more",
"His rating went down when he started preaching the Corporate message. So they offed him. Watch the movie again.",
"That's what I said.",
"You know, I don't agree with the extremists on either side, but the Q-idiots at least did identify their target. I'll give them that.\n\nThey went right to the Capital, saying the vote was rigged, and tried to stop the election verification. \n\nOn the other side of the spectrum, there's a lot of random looting and arson, with only a portion directly targeted at political buildings, like the police stations, or court houses.",
"Outrage as a commodity that can be sold is also excellently portrayed in the Black Mirror episode \"15 millions merits\" and of course every internet talking head that have popped up during the last 20 years. \n\nWe all have our part to play in the grand theater.",
"They take advantage until he becomes a liability, then kill him on live tv. Way ahead of its time.",
">his ratings go down when he starts actually addressing real issues.\n\nIs exactly the opposite of what happens in the movie.",
"I remember to write a little essay about Network on my philosophy class, it really makes you think the same way Matrix does but in my perspective it's even worse because it's even more real than Matrix.\n\nIf you want to reply with Neil Tyson saying that we could live in Matrix and that makes Matrix more real and relatable you are missing my whole point.",
"Fun fact: Carl Paladino (R), when he ran for governor of NY, actually used this \"I'm mad as hell...\" line as his campaign slogan.",
"The movie is absurdly prescient. When he actually gets a show as \"the mad prophet of the airwaves\" the network also packages it along with a whole set of grifty characters that accompany him like Sybil the Soothsayer and Miss Mata Hari and any other crazy nonsense they can think of.\n\nIt's all I can ever think about when Joe Rogan, Alex Jones, or any of these alt-news types have some new hack on pushing some lifechanging horse shit, or whenever Channel 5 goes to some crazy fucking Alien/Gemstone/woo-woo shit convention and they all seem to be huge Trump fans.\n\nIf there's one underlying message to the whole thing, it's how wildly ***exploitable*** popular outrage is if the underlying sentiment as valid.",
"Log into your Facebook, your Insta, your Snap, log into your Twitch, and type all in caps “IMMA MAD ASA HELL AND I WONT TAKE THIS ANYMORE!!!” Then goto Reddit and scroll through some funny comments and forget the whole thing happened.",
">Right? This is literally what Bill O'Rielly and Rush and Hannity all did to manipulate a giant segment of the population to just be continually outraged. In fact, I'm fairly certain one of these guys used THIS EXACT CLIP on their radio program intro montage, lol.\n\nI know certainly this comment will be down voted, but you are part of the problem.\n\nIf you think Keith Olbermann, Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon, Wolf Blitzer don't do the exact same thing, I've got a bridge to sell you.",
"I know right. You do mean Biden right?",
"Your doing good work here. Thanks",
"You're misunderstanding what I said. I forgive you.",
"I really am, I'm sorry. I don't need forgiveness, I need to understand why what you're trying to say is at total odds with what you're actually saying?",
"Seriously, it seems people watch this clip and view it as a motivator. This is the beginning of the film. Watch the rest. \n\nHell of a performance though.",
"I hadn't seen the movie, but that is exactly what I thought, this is not meant to be inspiringl. The media is selling us on this outrage.\n\nIts like \"let's all go out and get collectively angry about whatever the media tells us to be mad about!\"\n\nSadly I think a lot of people would watch this and see it as inspiring.",
"Everything from our past: the books, the movies, even toys like GI Joe vs Cobra….\n\nIt was preparation for this current conflict.",
"Care to backup your claim with fact-based evidence?",
"It's still inspiring, though",
"OP why are you thinking about it though? Are you mad because corporations and the .0001% are essentially making you a slave. Or are you a lunatic and are mad because you're a jan 6th person?",
"That's kinda of the point of the speech",
"Immediately what I thought of. What a great record",
"I disagree. Cuomo and Lemon are in it for the ratings and they are left leaning and biased. They will talk about problems that are upsetting but they don’t weaponize rage the same way Rush does.",
"[https://www.votelikeabeast.com/](https://www.votelikeabeast.com/)",
"I never thought about it before but watching this clip, I really feel like Philip Seymour Hoffman in The Master was heavily channeling Beatty's performance in Network",
"That's because the problem that the \"other side\" is fighting is real, not made up, and much larger and ubiquitous and harder to pin down than the made up one.",
"I mean he's trying to instigate riots/violence right? \nThat's his solution",
"Great, now my neighbors hate me.",
"Eh, screw that guy. He's a the\\_donald user and here he comes with his \"but both sides you guys\" bullshit. It's typical, whenever some one on the right gets called out, the trumptards come out \"but lefties are also bad\".",
"Turn off the news loser.",
"It's pretty obvious you didn't pause to think before whipping out that school yard \"I know what you are but what am I?\" response.\n\nBiden didn't whip up any crowds or tell them he had a solution to all of their problems. He's boring and centrist, and only got elected because the other choice was a malignant narcissist. If anything, many people seem surprised Biden's done as well as he has as a president.\n\nHell, Biden's so boring that when he was the VP, the Onion famously made fun of him by depicting him as that weird uncle stuck his 80s \"cool guy\" phase.",
"I've been alive 3 decades and this applies to every president I've seen elected. Maybe Obama as an exception, I never got the vibe that he was inciting much anger.",
"Same shit, just called \"hope\" and \"change\". Done played us homie",
"I am really struggling to make sense of what you typed at me.",
"Well I'm not a leftist and I mentioned Alex Jones, so you got that. And it's pretty funny to imply that \"leftists\" are the ones parading conspiracy theories full on while we have people in droves waiting for the return of an assassinated president. People are fucking stupid. \n\n\nAnd it's besides the point, unless all you're after is smearing or insulting whatever political position isn't yours. You didn't want to actually have a conversation, am I right?",
"/r/unexpecteddune",
"Bro, I consider myself a conservative. Don’t act like fuckin Kieth Olberman is just as influential as Rush.",
"The UK had \"clap for carers\". Every Friday at 8pm folk stood on their doorstep to applaud the NHS during COVID first year.\nStraight after Freedom Day at the end of lockdown, the government stiffed the nurses with a 1% pay rise.",
"I'm not American, I don't vote democrat, and you completely miss the point. Yet you call me an ideologue. You're way off base and yet you want to believe I'm in political opposition to you, but the truth is that you have no idea what you're talking about, pontificating your conjecture like it ought to be revered.\n\nAlso completely proving my last question right anyway, and you know it, you pissant. Don't pretend like you've got a logical stance above others when you enter a public forum so sanctimoniously.\n\nLike I said: you're only interested in constraining me into a political opposition to you, even if it isn't the case, and have no real interest in a discussion. Just like your education, it will fail because all I have left to tell you is to fuck off.",
"Much worse - when there is a little bit of grounding behind it.",
"I haven't watched the movie in many years and I don't recall how much Beale's messaging changed after this scene, but I think what the guy is asserting is that \"The Corporate Message\" addresses real issues. That is, he thinks the corporate message is the correct and practical one, but no one is interested in it.",
"Neither of the two things you said to me are actual sentences.",
"And ironically, with that, he's become the hero and inspiration to those who today revel in and peddle outrage to an extent even he likely wouldn't have foreseen.",
"Love this movie. Came here to say something similar but you said it better. Thanks.",
"[Duval, Dunaway, and Holden argue about it in this clip I enjoy.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2YHZekrf8)",
"Hence the Oscars. \nGreat that we were warned. Hence why we didn't let ourselves get into a mess. /s",
"I’m depressed as hell and I’m not gonna get out of bed anymore!",
"[possibly the best scene of the movie](https://youtu.be/35DSdw7dHjs?t=86)",
"At the very least this video shows that the station cares only for money and ratings at the expense of someone at the end of their rope.",
"how do you make a documentary about Alex johns before Alex johns existed?",
"He's just after a reaction to justify blocking you right after. Trust me: first hand experience.",
"So... people should burn down the Car Source, or steal from the Walgreens? \n\nI honestly don't want to argue who has a more relevant argument... the point is the Q was actually targeting based on what they thought was wrong.",
"They are a new account intended to shit post in bad faith. Ignore them, as they are not worth your time or respect.",
"It's not even good trolling, like damn, at least try to get a rise out of me or something.",
"> English is hard, huh?\n\n\nI'm sorry, I'm not trying to be a grammar dick, but you wrote those sentences so poorly I don't even think they qualify as sentences. Like... The second sentence doesn't have a subject, and the first sentence sounds like you started typing halfway through the thought. \n\n\nWhat you have to understand is that we can't literally hear you, and we don't know you so we can't try to find your voice in those sentences either. \n\n\nI think you are taking a bunch of thoughts and trying to fit it in one sentence. Maybe try breaking them down into smaller thoughts & sentences?",
"The anger and fear also shut down your reasoning abilities. It's a lot easier to manipulate someone who is angry and afraid.",
"“I hate Reddit!”, proclaims the Redditor.",
"I’ve always been a bigger fan of [this](https://youtu.be/w8HdOHrc3OQ) speech for the times we live in.",
"I needed this today",
"Ayo, while we're at it, something a bit more recent :\n[Hell On Earth - KAS:ST](https://youtu.be/Fwi1qgSaxZY)",
"satire *does* reflect reality. That's the point.",
"> Great that we were warned\n\nThing is he didn't write this as some prophetic prediction, it was already happening when this movie was made.",
"Why do you need an enemy so badly, you tiny man?",
"I’m mad as hell and I’m going to let everyone on Facebook know.",
"You are extremely confused",
"Yeah votings not gonna cut it anymore. It’s the lowest level of being politically active.",
"Nailed it. Frustration at the system is understandable, but you also have to understand that the problems we have are complex. It's easy to be mad, it's hard to come up with viable solutions, and even harder to implement solutions because people are stubborn and there's a good chance your solution is dogshit.\n\nI'm reminded of a boss I used to have (who was also the owner) who would get frustrated with our software, but was completely unwilling to understand how or why it worked the way it did, he just wanted someone to \"fix it\". Especially ironic because part of the problem is that you get what you pay for and he was a penny pincher.",
"I have heard this sampled before too, but I can't remember from where. It was an old 70s or 80s classic rock song. Maybe by Aerosmith or Rolling Stones? Maybe Metallica or ACDC? I think it's played during the fadeout of the song.\n\nAnyone know?",
"First, I am not blaming them. At least, not everything on them. \n\nI'm just pointing out that they don't show up at the polls. Its a statistical fact. You can deny it all you want but it's absolutely true that if the number of young voters who were openly enthusiastic about Bernie Sanders actually voted, he would have won the primary.\n\nYeah, I get it, young people have lost faith in the system. And I can't blame them for that. But when that turns into voting apathy, it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy.\n\n'I don't have faith in a system I don't participate in to represent me.'",
"You’re right. [Stanley does it better. ](https://youtu.be/I9W-smdTVjA)",
"Ventrilo harassment anyone?",
"Essentially Reddit functions the same way now. Especially the news and politics section. Articles, mostly biased, are posted and then people get riled up. After getting riled up they take sides and start arguing and raging on eachother.\n\nEveryone reacts and no one thinks. If they did they'd realize that their putting extra activity on a site thats already collecting and selling their data to whoever wants it.\n\nReddit thrives off of anger now because this behavior has leaked into just about every sub reddit. The sub reddits who point the finger and laugh at people doing this are worse because they're drawing more attention to people acting stupid and are ultimately encouraging people to freak out online because of their now black and white perspective of the world.\n\nI caught this pattern earlier this year after actually paying attention to some of it and its really one of the most dehumanizing things I've seen in person. \n\nWatching people tear each other down for upvotes over politics and opinions is something we've all done here but this shits so tiresome. I just wish people would realize they're being played.",
"Thanks I have heard of the reference but wasn't aware of where it was from..",
"I don't see it as unfortunate, I think satire should be like this and that this was the intention and that what's fortunate is if we get the message, dig? (It was made in the 70s lol)",
"The whole point of the end of the movie is that Ned Beatty's character convinces Howard Beale to preach the pro-corporate dogma, which TURNS OFF the audience. Then as a favor to the station manager(? Faye Dunaways character), the \"communists\" assassinate Beale in front of said audience, proving that all mad prophets get martyr'd in the end.\n\nA corporate message if there ever was one.",
"Bingo.",
"I watched this movie a couple of years ago finally. It is absolutely amazing. It was prescient.",
"This movie nailed the future of \"news\". Incredible.",
"Brilliant writing. Love this movie.",
"I thought there was some missing context.",
"Trump seems to have inspired a whole lot of people, too. Maybe we want to be discerning about the things we let inspire us.",
"I don't like Trump and I like this movie speech. Movies aren't real so it's just fine.",
"Movies are about human experiences and emotions, even if they're dramatised in an unusual way.\n\nThe *emotions* that this speech inspires are real, and matter. The problem is the way the speech stirs them up and directs them. Vague unidentified problems of the decline of society. Don't vote! Just be *mad*.\n\nYour real, important emotions can be used to manipulate you. People who join cults aren't dumber than people who aren't. They're emotionally vulnerable, and they meet someone who knows how to talk to what they're feeling the need for, but who twists that need to their own end. That's why we need to be careful. Anger is an energy. If that energy isn't directed in a productive direction, it can go anywhere, and there are many people out there who make their living manipulating people's emotions to their own ends.",
"well certainly *not* voting is going to have the opposite effect",
"This is how I feel about the state of the world.",
"hmm, do you think mods fall victim to the same bias that facebook has? that \"engagement\" of all kinds, including flame wars, is better than a quiet but positive experience for all? most subreddit mods i think would say they abstain and allow the discussion to happen in the comments because otherwise they are \"biased\".\n\nI don't think this stance is sustainable into the future. I'm not sure how to get out of the situation, though, other than accepting that being biased is better than being constantly angry.",
"I fucking love this scene, one of my fav songs samples it too",
"Actually, no. What do you think has more power? \n\nA giant media empire that can influence millions of people while I don’t have to cast one vote? And by media empire I don’t mean Rachel maddow. \n\nOr\n\nMe rallying 20k signatures for one party?\n\nHere’s something else, getting one country to split into two, then it becomes even easier to get away with corruption and blah blah.",
"Sure. Of course it's a corporate message. I never said it wasn't. Nor did I imply that it's a positive message, or that I agree with it, or that I agree with what the other comment above is saying.\n\nI'm just answering what I think the other comment means, which is that Beale's new message is both A) the pro-corporate message, and B) a pragmatic message that addresses real issues. Possibly with a whiff of underlying libertarian bias and a subtext that any message that addresses real issues is going to be inherently pro-corporate.",
"great, so are you in the defeatist camp, or the civil war camp?\n\nbecause either you are saying there's no way to win, so we lost already, or there's no way to out-vote the other guy, so since we aren't giving up then we're going for a new strategy to take power instead",
"Who would set down a disheveled sweaty guy in a trench coat at the desk and expect any different? Like, they could see that coming.",
"Last 2. No wait, last 3, Obama too. Does anyone remember why Dubya was elected?",
"Keep voting, it’s a spectacle.",
"> You have to identify what you are mad at\n\nYou're made at \"Q-Idiots\"\n\nYou're not immune.",
" Rewatching it after reading your comment changed everything.",
"> He offers no solutions.\n\nHe literally says that. \n\nThe point is in order to do something you can't keep on pretending that things are great and pushing it all down. In order for things to change, first you have to get mad.",
"The same emotions that can motivate you to constructively change the world can also be used to motivate you to destroy it. Anger is energy. What makes it good or bad is, what will that anger be used for? This movie is about the Alex Jones kind of inspiring anger.",
"> This movie is about the Alex Jones kind of inspiring anger.\n\nBernie Sanders and Donald Trump were channeling the same anger. That anger is very valid.\n\nYou know what \"take it easy and don't get too upset\" has got us over the last 60 years?\n\nLook around.",
"I don't remember telling anybody to take it easy and not get too upset.",
"I remember the Hillary Clinton campaign specifically was riding that \"America is already great no need to change it\" and \"only slow incremental change is the way to go - you have to join the system first\". This is how she managed to hand the election over to a reality TV host. Trump was full of shit but suggesting that \"everything is ok\" was worse.\n\nI was on the 2016 Bernie Campaign btw. You're talking to a former \"Russian bot\" LOLZ!\n\nThe movie is about exploiting a mentally ill guy. \n\nBut that speech is very powerful and valid.",
"I think a chunk of the mods do what they can . Some are dedicated to keeping the peace and others just get off on their own internet power. Whether or not they know about the cycle of anger or even care about it is beyond me. :/",
"Trump genuinely offered solutions, at least in terms of the economy. We had record high average income, stock markets were at all time highs, prior to the pandemic we had great unemployment levels. Minorities, in particular Black people were prospering under his policies.",
"That last line of yours. That's what I'm objecting to. Can you elaborate?",
"A timeless classic.",
"No. [It's not a contention I'm making](https://youtu.be/hyNumX4wS9w?t=49), so I'm not the one to debate it. That's a conversation to be had with the person that made the contention. I commented because you didn't express an objection to their contention, but because you were expressing that you didn't understand what contention was being made.",
"Scrolled too damn far to get here",
"WE’RE MAD TOO CARL!",
"Kinda reminded of the speech from the black mirror episode 15 million merits. He pours his heart and rage out with a threat of suicide so people will listen. In the end it all gets used to make more credits and he ends up ranting as a show after that.",
"And now it is the most lucrative business model in cable tv.",
"I'm just finding out this is where KASST took the sample from",
"Nice, I like synkro.\n\nYou may like KAS:ST - hell on earth.\n\nA techno banger",
"Yeah, I didn't understand because I couldn't get my head around why someone would assert that the corporate line is inherently \"addressing real issues\" in this movie when it's clear that the director and the writer disagree with that assertion. \n\nBeale even says that the audience is real and that he (television) is the illusion. So if the real audience is tuning out because of the corporate line being foisted upon them when they tuned in for the erstwhile truth Beale was speaking before his conversion, then how can one assert that the corporate line as presented is somehow \"addressing real issues\"? In context, this doesn't make any sense. The only way I can see someone coming to this conclusion would be because they haven't seen the movie in question, don't understand the themes being discussed, and are only interested in perpetuating the self-same Stockholm Syndrome that corporations foist upon the American public as part of their business model. \n\n**WHICH IS THE VERY ATTITUDE AT THE CORE OF THE MOVIE'S DENOUEMENT OF MODERN SOCIETY?** jfc.\n\nWhat \"real issues\" are the corporate line as presented in the movie \"Network\" addressing? It feels like that is not understood by yourself and/or the position you are defending. And if you don't understand the contention of the person making that assertion, *why are you swinging in to defend this line of thinking??* It's very, very interesting.",
"He literally says he doesn't know how to fix anything.",
" But... it didn't come crashing down?\n\nThe monied interests still owned the station, Ned Beatty convinces Howard Beale to preach the corporate gospel, and when the audience stops tuning in at record numbers,. Faye Dunaway calls in a favor and has Beale summarily assassinated by communists. \n\nFrom a corporate perspective, that's a wrap and a lunch. They got everything they wanted, all loose ends resolved.",
"You're falling for it.",
"> On the other side of the spectrum, there's a lot of random looting and arson\n\nThe News Media has you convinced they're two different sides. You haven't learned a thing.",
"Fuck, I would have loved to have seen that.",
"You can't see the fnords because you've never used your eyes to see. Only look. Very sad.",
"wooooah man, that soooooooo real, like woaaaaahhh.",
"The stock market and the average wages are even higher now, so.. thanks, Biden, I guess?",
"I wish America had socialists.",
"Indeed, otherwise it's just comedy.",
"> we had great unemployment levels\n\nYou've got no problem living in fantasy land, so why not just pretend you're Trump instead of being pathetic enough to mimic his writing style?",
"> It feels like that is not understood by yourself and/or the position you are defending. And if you don't understand the contention of the person making that assertion, why are you swinging in to defend this line of thinking??\n\nI have already explicitly stated *twice* that I am *not* defending it. Why do you think I am? I even speculated that the viewpoint stems from libertarian bias. Where did I ever express agreement with it?",
"Rip Rush.\n\nGuy was right about a lot.",
"He was also an egotistical asshole who thrived on the idiocy of his fans.",
"Or I am just looking at how they vote, LMAO. Stop trying to seem smart. All we have to do is look at reality you clown.",
"yeah when I'm seeing the viral pictures of witty protest signs after Roe V Wade is overturned, I'll be thinking about how relatable \"stick your head out the window and yell about it\" was.",
"Is insulting strangers on the internet for having a different opinion considered smart where you're from?",
">*find someone with a plan that you think can fix that problem, and then support them.* \n \nHow do you think we are in this mess to begin with?",
"Price in dollars of assets other than dollars rises as dollar supply increases by 30% in the span of a year, more news at 11.",
"I see Immortal Technique, I upvote. Haven't even heard the song yet, but I trust it's a banger.\n\nIn a just world he would be secretary of state under a Gabbard administration.",
"\"*All neccesities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom... Amused*\"\n\nIt's 2030, I own nothing and I am happy.",
"The whole movie constantly speaks to the common folk's anxieties and frustrations then it just hits you with this huge rant that seems to be from Satan himself. Exposing you are trapped in a system where everything you see is in it's natural state, like the trophic level of nature... But then, a spark of dystopic \"hope\"; \"*All neccesities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom... Amused*\" pointing towards a future where all people live under a new order, the final morph of this system.",
"Exactly. It's called \"predictive programming\". Look into it.",
"Get out there and riot",
"No, your.",
"Derp.",
"I was going to say, this guy sounds exactly like Alex Jones"
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I think about this video frequently these days
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CH64Ogr4Bmk
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/r/videos/comments/r6d2e4/tel_aviv_overtakes_hong_kong_paris_and_zurich_as/
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[
"If there is anything Israel knows, it’s overtaking things.",
"And yet, my life in Zürich won't become much cheaper.",
"\"Setting new borders\" could be the national motto.",
"Guess I better stop bitching about Chicago rent being up 800 bucks per month this year",
"all countries on the list increased in cost of living, its just a matter of how much",
"Hey man at least you aren’t paying rent in a major West coast city. Median household income is 75k. Rent is 2,500 in LA. 3,100 in San Fran.",
"Iron dome isn't cheep.",
"\"Expanding our horizons\"",
"Might as well change their motto to the original German translation, \"Lebensraum\"",
"Iron dome is paid for with the billions in aid from the US, right? \n\nWe give them money, then sell them weapon systems?",
"I expect that with the gulf countries now allied, a lot of oil money would be coming in to buy commercial and residential property.",
"So expensive you need to move to Germany just to [buy chocolate pudding](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olim_L%27Berlin)\n\nThat said, Milky is delicious and worth it.",
"**[Olim L'Berlin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olim_L'Berlin)** \n \n >Olim L'Berlin (Hebrew: עולים לברלין, lit. \"Let's Ascend to Berlin\", also known as the Milky protest) was the name of a Facebook page that coined a snowclone in 2014, and was terminated in early 2015. Comparing the high cost of living in Israel with the comparatively cheaper economic climate in Berlin, which has a growing community of Israeli expatriates, the page urged more Israelis to move to Germany, raising a storm of protest in Israeli social and political circles. Compounding the reaction was the Facebook page's use of the same verb (olim) that Jews use for aliyah (immigration to Israel).\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">3,100\n\nThat's like mortgage for two houses. \n\nIn the middle of nowhere? Nope\n\nIn Philly suburbs",
"Yeah but then you live in a Philly suburb...I say that as someone from a Philly suburb.",
"I work in NE Philly\n\nI was looking for a house\n\nKept driving looking for the right neighborhood and price\n\nKept driving\n\nKept driving\n\nWhoops I live in Delaware now",
"That might be…problematic",
"yep. you give them money to buy\namerican weapon systems. money stays in america, military industrial complex cashes in",
"damn does that mean they need a few more billions in US foreign aid? Why are they so greedy...?",
"\"Blowing minds\".",
"No, its perfect actually.",
"\"Alcohol and transport\" Weird flex but ok.",
"A piece of land in the middle of the desert in a place with never ending neighbours wars… LOL no thank you.",
"Now look at a city like Salt Lake, houses there are around a million dollars but wages are still small-town horseshit low, like probably half what they are in places like California. I don't know how the vast majority of young people in the intermountain West aren't rendered homeless.",
"Housing prices are usually high because of housing shortages. Those shortages can be caused by many things like being on an island that can only hold so many structures (hong kong/nyc) but can also be caused by NIMBY regulations that make it impossible for the free market to build reasonably priced housing. I wonder if Tel Aviv is geographically constrained, or if the city has zoning regulation that prevents housing construction to keep up with demand.\n\n\nI recommend watching this video to understand why so many western countries just WON'T build medium density housing\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCOdQsZa15o",
"Cost of living in SF is much higher than the cost of living in LA... they don't even mention SF",
"There are probably lots of reasons why Tel Aviv has high housing prices. Interestingly Tel Aviv doesn't have a lot in terms of Public Transit (e.g, trams, light rail and metro) compared to other cities.\n\nAs you can imagine, this encourages more people to live closer to the city for a shorter commuting time and to reduce the amount of time spent in traffic. Of course, if you had good commuter rail and city transport then more people can live further away (which would result in smaller demand for housing), and still be able to go to work in a reasonable time.\n\nThere are lots of factors involved with this.",
"That's not impacting the price of housing.",
"Someone Tel Aviv they need to settle down with the cost of living.",
"Aside from the whole Germany trying to annihilate all Jewish people from the earth and take over the world thing, sure. Perfect to explain what Israel is doing.",
"Yes, aside from that old song they always come up with about why its justified what they are doing today to the Palestinians who had nothing to do with what Germany did."
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Tel Aviv overtakes Hong Kong, Paris and Zurich as most expensive city to live in
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enMwwQy_noI
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/r/videos/comments/r6deua/introducing_the_icelandverse/
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[
"Mark Zuckerbergs brother?",
"We call them 'clones' in the robot world.",
"The door lmfao",
"I want to know more about these stupid birds!!"
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Introducing the Icelandverse
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https://youtu.be/kxOuG8jMIgI
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/r/videos/comments/r6dkte/lets_make_youtubes_announcement_of_removing_the/
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[
"no thats the point dont you understand yet? they dont want your input, they dont care about what the people want. you are the product not the customer",
"Who the fuck cares?",
"Sadly there's no way to stop this other than to abandon YouTube to cut their money. They don't care about the dislikes, neither does the algorithm. They get money because everyone is watching it so it's only a plus for them. Their only vulnerable spot is usage = money",
"Now they can manipulate the number of upvotes without people seeing the true number of downvotes to go with it"
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Let's make YouTubes announcement of removing the dislike button the most disliked video on YouTube. I don't care I can't see that bar
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https://youtu.be/ZI0w_pwZY3E
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[
"brennan is A+",
"Shall we skype on zoom?",
"How do you remember your username? Do you just leave it on a device and if that device gets screwed so does the account sign in? or is it like a combination of yours and your cousins SS#? Asking for a friend.",
"Brennan Lee Mulligan is probably the best thing that's happened to CH since it started. The man is an absolute maniacal genius. I mean, just take this example of a fully improvised rant he does when he finds out the rule to the game show is that he always loses:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88et7YlmzTs\n\nAll his CEO sketches are worth watching though, and I personally really enjoyed CH's first season of Dimension 20 (their filmed D&D game where Brennan is DM), though I haven't gotten round to watching more yet.",
"Yeah I mean, maybe if Skype would let me change the username associated with my email address I'd go back.\n\nI setup my account when Skype was in beta and I was in college. I don't want to be calling clients under the name of Beer Barron Von Shottsenmaster",
"Seriously though, what happened? At what point did the entire planet just switch to Zoom all of a sudden?\n\nI can remember why we left bebo and myspace because those platforms were horrible and lacked functionality but I can't think of anything zoom does that skype didn't already do. Maybe I'm wrong.",
"Zoom's video call quality and built in recording ability was way above Skype's a few years ago when everyone I know switched to Zoom. Does Skype even offer built in recording at this point? For most of it's history you had to install a third party program to record.",
"If you like his D20 stuff, D&D Beyond is doing a series with him called Battle for Beyond. I'm really liking the DM, Jasmine Bhullar, and the other players. Brennan KILLS it with his character.",
"Just to provide a real answer to why this happened -- Skype completely pooched their integrations between personal and business accounts, to the extent that neither was usable. It became obvious a couple years before the pandemic that the company was a shitshow and didn't care about any sort of proper support, so everyone was already looking for a different solution.\n\nDon't kill me Brennan.",
"Skype was being slowly replaced by Teams in most places already. The biggest one was what was mentioned in this skit; the ability to host up to 1000 people. They make it sound ridiculous but universities need that kind of audience. Even at a smaller scale of like 10-20 people skype was super expensive for that option compared to zoom.",
"Honestly, the killer feature was being able to join a Zoom as a guest and not having to make an account. That lets tech-stupid family members join easily instead of spending 15 minutes trying to have them reset their password.\n\nIt's a security nightmare, but it makes it much easier to do an impromptu Zoom meeting than a Skype.\n\nThat and Microsoft bought Skype in 2011, and development of the consumer version effectively stopped as they started Frankenstein-ing it to be their business chat.",
"Skype is so clunky and bloated and laggy - or at least it feels that way. Zoom comes off as very lightweight and quicker.",
"I despise Zoom and refuse to install it on my computer. Skype, though... it's like they hate their users and want them to suffer. Every update makes the app worse. The new UI they forced on us a couple of years ago is fucking horrible. I hate Skype so, so much. Skype's the one I need for work, though, so tough shit to me.",
"I remember circa 2016 when my group switched to Discord from exclusively Skype. It was beautiful. I don't know why people don't use Discord instead of Zoom, it's got so many more features and very simple to use.",
"CH CEO sketches are the worst. Zero creativity. I'd rather just watch him scream at the top of his lungs for 30 seconds then sit through these tired, predictable sketches.",
"Actually I think the killer feature is one step before that, it's that you never need to go through an application installation wizard to get it ready on your computer. That's how you lose the boomers, it gets too technical and they're out.\n\nThe [Zoom dev team actually used malware techniques](https://twitter.com/random_walker/status/1244989489275158529) to bypass the normal installation process on Mac, likely on PC too.",
"Funny but of course Skype has been apart of Microsoft for awhile.",
"I also hated how they tried to make Skype always on as well. No, actually I don't want to have people able to video call me just because I happen to be on my computer, thanks. And I don't even want to be signed in.\n\nThey have the same problem with OneDrive now. Actually, I don't want you automatically synchronizing a bunch of my stuff to the cloud just because it is on my desktop or in my Documents folder, especially if the default is to be \"online only\", especially because so many programs dump crap in the Documents folder making it completely useless for actually storing documents. I have TB of space on my computers; I don't need OneDrive trying to save me disk space. I'll opt-in to that kind of thing on a phone or tablet, and it's okay on a Chromebook where that is the whole point. But otherwise, get the hell outta here.\n\nI just had to clean out my son's OneDrive storage yesterday because he had a warning that he was over his limit and his account was frozen. Turns out it was a game that used to store per-user mods under the Documents directory instead of AppData, and so there was 7GB of crap that got synced from one computer to the cloud. I didn't want it to do that. So, he went from being 2G over the 5G limit to only using 24MB. Thanks, OneDrive.\n\nWow, I guess I really don't like annoying forced default capabilities that are on by default and are difficult to disable.",
"> I don't want to be calling clients under the name of Beer Barron Von Shottsenmaster\n\nWhy not?\n\nTo me, it looks like a great way to assert dominance",
"I went from not playing D&D since high school to learning how to GM because of him. The amount of A Crown of Candy amount made me laugh and cry just changed my expectations of what the game could be.",
"I've been hoping that they dump the Game Changer videos on YouTube eventually. I just noticed that they dumped \"Um Actually\" [its own channel](https://www.youtube.com/c/umactually), and have been enjoying those.",
"Dude is one of the best comedians they have and yet I really feel like long term he will be famous for his role playing content.",
"I'm actually tempted to get Dropout just for D20.\n\nEdit: I love how everybody replying recommends it. Will get on it!",
"The only good thing about syncing stuff like AppData is that if I jump over to my laptop from my desktop, certain application settings will sync. That is nice at least.\n\nBut yeah, the Always Online thing was really annoying about Skype.",
"A genuinely great sketch. Well gee golly I guess I have to watch then! \n\n\nEdit: Okay it was good.",
"I think the first season's on YT at least, but I ended up getting Dropout because they censor curses from like, ep 5 onward and I found that annoying.",
"In terms of home use, it was a lot easier to use Google Hangouts (already has my friends with Gmail addresses), Facebook (similar deal), Discord (gaming friends already on there), or Zoom (don't even need an account). Skype takes extra steps in one way or another, and became rarer and rarer to use over the last decade. I think I last used Skype to see friends in 2015. \n\nAs for work, Skype for Business was awkward pre-pandemic. It felt too niche to keep open all the time, and a lot of people in the organization would rather default to email or phone call. Microsoft Teams (for team chat and internal meetings) and Zoom (for larger events) quickly replaced Skype during the pandemic.",
"Looking back it's hard to make the argument for Myspace \"lacking functionality\" as it had a greater level of personal customization than any social media site today in it's old form.",
"I got it just for Game Changer but D20 has been a nice bonus.",
"I was done with skype the moment I hit the \"X\" and it didn't close but went into my sidebar and was annoying as fuck to close. \n\nBye skype.",
"Maybe it's because skype sucks and zoom is easy and works right?",
"During start of the pandemic, Zoom happened to be the only video call platform that seemed to work.",
"Brennan is great. [His rant about trash talking NYC is my spirit animal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNpoplfLT1w).",
"> At what point did the entire planet just switch to Zoom all of a sudden?\n\nI had never even heard of Zoom until about 2-3 months after the pandemic lockdown. Then suddenly it was everywhere.\n\nSo....the point was around June-July 2020.",
"His sketch about take-out is top tier..... basically any skit he gets to rant is just golden.",
"This guy nails it in every video. I know a lot of it is writing but his delivery seals it. \n\n[Oreo CEO will always be my favorite](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMkYw4dp_NI)",
"I did about a year ago for that reason, and I fell in love with all of their game show shit after and now I’m still a sub.",
"I mean it was the fucking login system. all those complications with the microsoft account and what not.",
"How did they miss the opportunity to have the video sound desync and the image glitch to hell? Would have really helped get me into the Skype vibe.",
"isn't the Skype CEO just the Microsoft CEO?",
"It really is a security nightmare. College I work at used webex for most of covid, it still allows guests to join meetings and all that but is actually secure. Everybody kept requesting zoom for some reason though so eventually they gave in.",
"1. Skype was never good. It was always a horrible overcomplicated useless piece of garbage which is why Microsoft rebranded it several times before giving up on it (Office Communication Server > Lync Server > Skype > Skype for Business)\n\n1. Remember how I said it's just a rehashed old piece of garbage? Well it was designed in an ancient time where they expected every user to have an account and have the application pre-installed and configured by their IT department. In contrast, Zoom, from the very beginning, was designed so any higher ape can easily click a link and join a meeting. I have no doubt that Skype has solved this obvious shortcoming by now. Too late.",
"I enjoyed Game Changers, Don't Laugh News, and their D20 stuff enough that I subscribed to their streaming service Dropout i think its 60 bucks for a year. I'd say it's been worth it for the laughs.",
"How many of these CEO sketches did they do? It was funny the first time, but just feels like the same thing",
"I wasn't a big follower of College Humor (though I knew of them and enjoyed most of what I remember finding), so could never really justify adding yet another streaming service that I never heard of for content I really wasn't sure about.",
"understandable personally I've enjoyed it but the amount of streaming services is crazy",
"That's one of the greatest rants of all time. That bit about the history of 0..... *chefs kiss*",
"Super worth $5/month. Also gave a year subscription to my DM. \n\nBrennan (and the whole d20 cast) is a national treasure",
"I highly recommend the Tiny Heists season (I believe it's season 4). That was my introduction to D20 and now I'm hooked.",
"Or if you work at a brewery.",
"WHAT DO WE NEED A BILLBOARD FOR",
"I did. For the 5 bucks it costs I can get my fix and cancel if I'm done watching at renewal time.",
"Im with you on this Discord is genuinely the best shit I really hope they never sell to microsoft or anyone. I think the only reason was it just didn't catch on as much in professional space but in the gamer space seems to be the go too for the last few years and I love it. \nThe programming abilities are insane too like music bots , proximity chat e.t.c \nEase of use is epic and audio management is dope. Even the admin system is just was ahead.",
"Yeah Dimension 20 and Game Changer alone make it worth the price! We were literally watching The Seven when I scrolled across this post lmao. We've been trying to ration D20 out and just subscribing for a month or two at a time to watch through a campaign, then coming back for more a few months later.",
"The hilarious thing is that this happened after Skype started coming as standard on Windows.",
"I heard that D20 is really the meat and potatoes of their views. There's just so much more content by hours available in D20 than their other programs. \n\nGame changer is new every other week, similar with the don't laugh news show. Those are funny, but a subscription for 1 hour of content a month doesn't cut it. \n\nIf you like D20 though, you're definitely getting your money's worth with the sub.",
"Just waiting for the \"how do you do fellow D&D playe *SMACK !!! Silence Brand\" memes",
"Holy shit that was amazing, thank you for sharing that!",
"Skype and Webex died so their bastard children (Teams and Zoom respectively) could live.",
"Forget that, how did Zoom even manage to scale so quickly with the entire fucking world? Websites tap out all the time due to an unexpected increase in users. Here’s Zoom, a video conferencing company, with what has to be server requirements comparable only to Netflix or YouTube, and suddenly the entire world needs to use them everyday… and they just took it all?!? I never had any issues with Zoom or even heard about anyone having it crash on them or something. \n\nWhatever managed that deserves a Nobel Prize in Computing.",
"I mean Zoom got by on it being very easy to setup, but Google Meet was literally just a website and you didn't need to install anything or have an account. Yet still the fact that the person starting the meeting had to click a button to remove the PIN that kept random strangers from joining your call was a big enough hurdle to propel Zoom to the top.\n\nComputer nerds (like me) laugh at it, but it literally is where it is today because it installed like a virus and did away with every hint of security.",
"“And I don’t mean that as a threat. LEGAL”\n\nThat phrase could have saved me from many a subreddit permaban",
"The Brian David Gilbert of college humor. So far and away ahead of the rest of the team.",
"That dude straight up turned into the Riddler.",
"All jokes aside, everyone stopped using skype when microsoft bought them and they turned to shit.",
"I just discovered D20's content in the past year. After clearing out the YouTube content, I had to have more. I have regretted nothing about getting Dropout and I am usually stingy as hell signing up for any streaming service beyond Netflix.",
"I hate WebEx so much",
"Yeah, on a personal level I remember disregarding Skype as a communication tool before the pandemic. And at business level we actually attempted to install an internal Lync server, but that ended up being a horrible failure.\n\nSkype was dead to me before the pandemic hit, and I never even considered using it when we started working remotely.",
"They took all the tech, stopped it’s development and rolled out Teams which is widely adopted in organizations. Not bad. Skype got sent to the dumpster though.",
"* WebEx has left the meeting *",
"Yeah and that was fun, but if I take off my nostalgia goggles all I remember is nearly everyone having impenetrable html everywhere. Flashing gifs, music auto-playing, broken tables - it was an epileptic's nightmare. \n\nI think people made the switch to Facebook because it wasn't flashy but at least it provided the basic function of letting you communicate (well) with other people. MySpace always felt like someone just scribbling on their personal diary.",
"Why? It feels pretty much the same as Zoom to me",
"It's because way back in 2010 Skype monetized I needed a free telephone on internet and they monetized so f*** them",
"If you like Brennan, check out this amazing unscripted rant:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88et7YlmzTs",
">Forget that, how did Zoom even manage to scale so quickly with the entire fucking world?\n\nAWS and Azure.",
">was designed so any higher ape can easily click a link and join\n\nAs are many things nowadays. \n \nCommercial success, but developmentally for humanity - subjective opinion - extremely harmful. Apes we've been, apes we'll stay.",
"Microsoft has a nasty tendency of sticking shit in their OS the exact minute it becomes obsolete.",
"I paid for the year cos it's about the same price as a premium video game and I figured I'd get just as much entertainment from it as much as a a game.",
"I believe that Skype ultimately sealed their fate when they [decided to stop supporting the TV apps](https://www.theverge.com/2016/3/8/11178976/microsoft-skype-for-tv-support). Until then it was a great way to have a couch conversation with someone.\n\nWith this move, there was really no good alternative so it forced us to start using laptops, tablets or phones instead. Most people just used whatever was installed on these devices already (WhatsApp, Facetime, Facebook Messenger, etc), rather than installing yet another app that has now given up it's use-case advantage.\n\nThen Zoom captured the business market so people became familiar with it on a daily basis. The ease of no-logon guest invites made it a go-to option, and a perfect option during the start of the pandemic when everyone had their work laptop and webcam all ready to go while wanting to remain social.",
"Cloud computing, man. It's the way the whole internet runs now. As long as you have the cash you can get all the scaling you could possibly want.",
"He absolutely nailed the opening scene. Typical abrasive exec that forces you to agree with him due to raw use of intimidation and authority. Bravo.",
"I always recommend Dropout. It is entirely worth it for the price alone, but being able to watch all of Dimension 20 (standouts being Fantasy High 1 and 2, Unsleeping City 1 and 2, Magic and Misfits, and The Seven) is a blessing all on its out. Combine that with Gamechanger, Breaking News Network, Total Forgiveness, along with all of their other shows makes it absolutely worth while.",
"Skype had a ton of great features that nobody ever used, hidden behind an interface that was a complete bear to understand and help files that were effectively written for the grognards, with enormous bloat and slow loads unless you let skype run its kernel on startup, which would immediately start consuming CPU resources as though nothing on your computer were more important than it.",
"You lost me at Skype.",
"Still less awkward than [Buttfucker 3000](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ErKTq_B1I) (on a zoom call, ironically enough)",
"The Tide Pods one is my favorite. Just keeps coming with food, so great.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFKQ7GflRkk",
"Hey, don't forget about Um, Actually!",
"Fair enough but as a result we've lost social media pages having any personal character whatsoever. Everything looks uniform and boring on all the popular platforms now. Instead of social media being a place for people to show their personality and share common interests with people it's become data farming so they can throw as many targeted ads at you as possible. None of the popular social media sites offer any form of customization comparable to oldschool MySpace.",
"I remember having to use it on OS X and somehow I always ended up with 5 or 6 versions of itself auto-installing whenever I joined a call.",
"Thing about Skype is... if *any app in history of every single app on the face of the fucking planet* is in your face CONSTANTLY, you're not gonna want it. It's mind boggling to me that Microsoft of all companies dropped the ball on that so hard.",
"Sort of related but PayPal won't let you change the country associated with an account so I had to make a new one with a different email.",
"I'm not sure about personal accounts but I know you could enable recording in Skype for Business",
"Oreo CEO is my all time fave",
"I've been subscribed for a year. Worth every penny. \n\nWith all the sidequests and the two sequel series, you could watch it for a month straight.",
"I frequently use Webex, Zoom, and Teams at work. Webex is by far my least favorite. It takes the longest to launch a meeting, by far. Holding spacebar to unmute/clicking unmute doesn't actually unmute me for 2-3 seconds, which is really annoying since I always mute myself as soon as I'm done speaking. Teams and Zoom are almost instant.\n\nAnd the *fucking* flashing taskbar icon. Anytime anyone in the meeting does *anything*, the taskbar icon flashes like it's trying to warn me about an incoming nuclear warhead. Anyone starts sharing, or stops sharing their screen. Anyone joins or leaves the call. Anyone sends a message in the chat. Guess what? Taskbar icon flashes! And it doesn't stop flashing until you click on the Webex window again. Let me tell you, when I was going through my work training, clicking on Webex to get the flashing to stop every 4 fucking seconds (when anyone in the *300-person class* joins, leaves, or sends a chat message) gets *real fucking old* really quick.\n\nFuck Webex. Zoom and Teams aren't perfect but it doesn't make me want to put a nailgun to my temple.",
"#***DiCaprio!***",
"Launching definitely takes longer because of security (joining has always been instant for me) but I haven't experienced any of those other issues personally. Not even the taskbar flashing thing.",
"i can feel my blood pressure rising in sympathy",
"Skype is the brand name for a system that is used under the hood by companies everywhere.\n\nIf you’ve made a call with Facebook messenger or WhatsApp, it was a Skype call under the hood. That’s how Skype is profitable.\n\nMicrosoft tends to lend out usage of Skype in exchange for shares",
"This wasn't a Skype thing... this was Microsoft..\n\n>Microsoft bought Skype in **May 2011** for $8.5 billion",
"Microsoft bought Skype in May 2011 for $8.5 billion. They butchered it and didn't care that took the market - that wasn't what they wanted it for.",
"\"Are we Go-bots?\" LOL. I had Go-bots as a kid. They we smaller and cheaper than Transformers. There was no fucking way my parents were dropping $20 on a Transformers Starscream. It was the $3.99 Go-bot for me. Yea.",
"Man, what a bad idea it was for skype to put ads in the client right when discord came out and just a year or two before the pandemic. I believe that was after the microsoft purchase, so perhaps I should not sully skype's memory for the crimes of its corpse's puppeteers.\n\nZoom also had an anonymous-joinable web client, so your grandma can use it.",
"Get it! There's so much good stuff on there. Gamechanger, um actually, d20, breaking news, all the side shows and podcasts for every show, commentary, behind the scenes! All for 60 for a while year! I love it.",
"Shitty ux.",
"Yahoo Messenger supported webcams before Skype. So did MSN Messenger.",
"I have Dropout and, to me, it’s worth it for those D20, Game Changer, the Don’t Laugh News and Um Actually content.",
"He was also part of the last season of Vampire the Masquerade - LA By Night and he was absolutely fantastic.",
"I was saying this. What happened to Skype? Were fid Zoom come from? Skype was around for years and free.",
"Home users don't care about but being able to contact enterprise users.\n\nAt one point if you had Skype for Business Online and you enabled federation with consumer Skype it actually worked quite well.\n\nI hated Teams at first and now I love it. It does way more than Lync/OCS/SFB ever did and it's cloud only so I don't have to deal with it.",
"To quote Brennan, “There is no corner of my heart I wouldn’t turn over to the world for 5 point.”",
"I want more of the same thing. Doesn't even have to be a different flavor.",
"Pretty much everything Brennan does is gold.",
"There's a reason they paid him to move out to cali when they went through their big restructuring a couple of years ago, despite laying off everyone else in New York City.",
"The problem is that Teams is a steaming pile that has more bugs than features and rarely works right, but we're all stuck with it because corporate decided they wanted to use it instead of Slack.\n\nSo now I'm stuck with Teams crashing every time I share my screen (but it keeps sharing my screen even after the rest of the app has crashed), or my boss who gets kicked from calls every 28 minutes on the dot because he dares to use a bluetooth headphone that isn't on the officially supported list (works fine with literally every other app that supports microphones in Windows). Or how messages just never show up on some devices when you can see them on others. Or how it's painfully slow. Or how it's a usability nightmare. Or how there's no way to turn off auto-away. Or how using it on your phone will turn it into a miniature space heater because it doesn't use hardware acceleration or something.",
"The Crown of Candy season was my absolute favorite. Omg so good. I'm still working through the latest ones but the first 5 or 6 seasons are all good.\n\nAlso Misfits and Magic is a great 4 shot series that I hope will get another season. Brennan as a character is just as good as DM Brennan.",
"It's just a little clunkier setting up meetings. \n\nI think my main dislike is caused by the fact that I don't use it that often.",
"How isn't everyone cracking up at that. Even if I was in terrible legal trouble and was the defendant I couldn't help but crack a smile at that.",
"i did and i dont regret it!",
"unsleeping city is probably my favorite",
"Zoom had it figured out 7 years ago, but few used it until the past 2-3 years.",
"Starting with windows is a dealbreaker.",
"> Also Misfits and Magic is a great 4 shot series that I hope will get another season.\n\n[Boy do I have good news for you](https://youtu.be/KDATPlsZAus?t=13)",
"Just start using an bad German accent. No one will question the name.",
"> Skype completely pooched their integrations between personal and business accounts, to the extent that neither was usable.\n\nI can attest. It was a pain in the butt to use for many of my co-workers and contacts through multiple industries. Skype couldn't seem to figure out its priorities, and it is weird to see them drop the ball on business support since Microsoft is pretty decent at biztech support. \n\nZoom's features were just making it easy to use for businesses and businesses have to use video chat the most because of meetings, scrums, etc. even daily which leads to leaking into more personal use. Just the fact that it was easy to use with few hoops made it a cinch to use if suddenly millions of workers had to create a home office from scratch.",
"I've heard a lot of people complain about Teams. I feel like I'm lucky. I'm a teacher and my school used and still uses it since the pandemic hit. I've had basically no problems with it ever. Works completely fine for me.",
"For me, Skype died the moment they pulled what seems would become the standard MS move to make. Pulled support for 7.x and launched Skype 8 with like 30% of the features of Skype 7.x available.\n\nFlat ui, couldn't pop out chat Windows anymore (people are sick and tried of multitasking according to MS I guess?) and a whole littany of other basic fucking features just vanished from one version to the next. I get that they wanted to revamp the code, but come on! You have a working product already, don't just release feature incomplete, make the next version functionally a downgrade for however long it takes to implement the same features, And cut support for the previous version...\n\nI moved to discord for my comms, and I sure as fuck wasn't going to go back to Skype after that just cause of a pandemic. They burned their own goddamn bridges...",
"I always have to pull up files from within teams, but as soon as I leave the file and go to a different window to initiate a call or look at something else I have to navigate all the way back. I don't get why it won't just keep the last page I was at TF open whenever I have to go to a call (many times a day).",
"The best. I feel seen.",
"Brennan is a national treasure",
"It's all Lync underneath!",
"yeah you're right, on paper it seems like an unfinished student project, but that's what did it.",
"Zoom developed an algorithm to make calls lag free and improve video call quality even with low internet connections.",
"I got it for *Um, Actually*. Specifically, [this episode](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6B6_BuCN-k8) with Brennan",
"Ermm... why is Skype's CEO not a woman? What's going on with that company, seems like they're incredibly behind the times. Didn't get the memo yet I guess.",
"all jokes aside, Teams is the new academic and business tool most companies and academies use to hand in jobs, teach a class, make proper conference calls or hold a conference. zoom is a bit more personal but teams is the winner now and we see this all around.",
"I got logged out 12 times the last week on the emotional void that is their Android app. Fuck Microsoft on Android, they are worthless at it. \n\nSkype for Business is worse. I have nothing good to say about Skype for business and I have many bad explicit words to say about it on Android.",
"I agree, skype sounds better than zoom, especially as a verb. And teams is such a terrible name for video calling software (I get it does more than that) and doesnt work as a verb at all. \n\nI can't believe microsoft is killing off skype - he's right it's reached pinnacle mainstream adoption to the point of being a verb for pc based videocalling, how do you kill something that reached that level of brand recognition?\n\nI'm also kind of suprised that skype lost to zoom, you'd think with 50 participants that's enough for 99% of video calling usecases. But at the same time, it's kind of suprising that skype was slow to adapt and just adopt a similar feature (it's not that hard to do)",
"I didn't have Skype when this whole mess started. So sometime in early 2020 when me and some friends wanted to play some games and drink via video conference, we wanted to use skype.\nI'm generally quite capable with most tech. But setting up Skype was a nightmare beyond reason. \n\nI googled Skype, went to their site, downloaded the application, set up an account, and somehow still couldn't find anywhere to actually start a call. Instead I kept getting reffered to some business version of skype (why would I want that? I just want to video-drink with my friends).\n\nIt's just needlessly complicated. With Zoom you just need 1 person to download it and send invitiations to everyone else (or just a code for the chat). It's so much easier.",
"Discord is great for tight knit groups but if you're constantly chatting with different clients and people from other groups it becomes a hassle to manage users. Zoom is much easier and better integrated with calendars.",
"When microsoft themselves stopped using it internally and used teams instead for video calls",
"He also runs a dnd podcast that's hilarious! You can find the entire first season of one of them, Fantasy High (a game that takes place in fantasy suburbia with high schoolers) on YouTube. He's just as over the top and dramatic there - definitely worth the listen.",
"Yeah the rise of Zoom was a little perplexing but it was also obvious that Skype had been declining for a long time and something was ripe to take over.\n\nWeirdly enough though is this another example of Google failing? I know hangouts is used but you know given the absolute market domination of Google on mobile it's weird how some of their products have failed to become the go-to. I'd say hangouts is a lot neater than Zoom etc as well, just a nicer experience whereas Skype always was a bit... jank.",
"Media really pushed Zoom, it obviously has some big usability advantage that led to a lot of people considering it the best solution and that filtered through to newsrooms. \n\nIt got a huge amount of brand promotion that led to nearly everyone and their dog considering it another word for video conferencing.",
"I use Teams daily and I never have these problems.",
"I love the modern teams. It’s been an absolute slog to get here, but teams is easily on par with slack and discord. \n\nI still prefer the channel elements of slack and discord and believe they do those better, but teams is the best of the enterprise tools available.",
"Its also the fact that Zoom had a straight-forward pricing model for corporations compared to their competition. It is perhaps the biggest backlash of the \"call for pricing\" model ever in the history of technology.\n\nMore about it here: https://www.npr.org/2021/06/07/1004101336/a-technology-tale-david-beats-goliath",
"Kids these days don't know.",
"My company started using zoom years before Covid primarily because of the call quality and the amount of people that could be on a call at once.",
"That man has some serious talent. First time I've seen him.",
"Brennan Lee Mulligan is one of the best things that ever happened to my life.",
"Have you thought that maybe it's your computer? I've supported Teams across 2 enterprises now, and I don't know anybody with these issues...",
"My Dell desktop computer, my Apple phone, my boss's Lenovo laptop, my other coworkers' various computers... I'm hardly the only one having issues, and we've all got pretty widely disparate hardware. You'll also see Linus from LTT regularly complain about Teams notifications being broken. I've personally never had any problems with Teams notifications, but Outlook notifications on iOS have been on and off broken for years."
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"what a pipedream, there is nothing worth mining on mars that is worth the cost and wait of sending it back to earth leaving the only revenue option available being space tourism\n\ntypical unrealistic and devoid of facts n science musk fantasy funded almost completely by tax payer dollars once again\n\nand nobody in their right mind wants their kid growing up on mars only to be deprived of all the beauty readily availble outside on earth in mother nature, heck, it would be pure cruelty to be raised on that empty dead planet and i feel sorry for any kid having to endure that faith",
"Hahahaaha, I read more interesting SF than this.\n\nWhat about weak gravity, how will people survive this?\n\nAnd why would anyone want to live on Mars? Radiation, weak gravity, -40C degree, no oxygen, no water, no regular Sun light...",
"I still think it's dumb for humans to live on Mars. Mars is permanently a microgravity environment whereas it's rather easy to build a simulated 1.0 earth gravity space station with rotation. Also travel to/from orbital stations is much cheaper than overcoming a gravity well. If we could move an asteroid close to earth, we could use the metals there to supplement expansion of a network of stations. In mere thousands of years, you could have more square footage on space stations than all the buildable land on earth and Mars combined.",
"I totally agree. I commented earlier about how space stations would be more practical long term than going to large gravity wells. What do you think about [that](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r6e7oc/the_first_10000_days_on_mars/hmssxzq/)? I haven't had this conversation with any actual expert, but it seems rather obvious to me.",
"I was never convinced about Mars as a human destination but the comments here seem to be singing the same tune, is there some recent popular video everyone watched that mentions low gravity and space stations or something?",
"Any spacestation we could build or asteroid we could move would be millions of times smaller than the moon and the affect on Earth's gravity would be essentially undetectable.",
"I love how the science and technology on mars is way more advanced than what we have on earth...",
"Dirt? You can't use the dirt on Mars is not arable soil. You would have to transport all of that too Mars.",
"Wow, so many negative comments here.\n\nI have a question about the solar panels. What's the plan for cleaning off the dust? It seems that this would need to be done on a regular basis. I am sort of thinking of Mars as Arrakis, but, it seems that this would be a problem.\n\nSpeaking of which, what about those Mars duststorms? I thought some of them are supposed to be pretty crazy. Nothing like on Dune, but still pretty crazy. Wouldn't the solar panels have to be replaced on a regular basis sort of thing? Don't solar panels use some exotic materials in their construction that the Martian colonists probably wouldn't have access to for a while (unless they were imported from Earth)?",
"Wait, didn't Jason Bourne grow potatoes using the Martian soil? Was that an oversight from the books / movie? I read that it was very well researched.",
"I dont get this obsession with Mars. First we can colonize the vast deserts and taigas on earth. Then the ocean floor. For a fraction of the cost. If the reason is space mining that wont be profitable until robots can do it anyway, and I doubt Mars will be the best place for resource extraction.",
"They left out the best part where everyone dies from radiation",
"Because it's dramatic and exciting fiction really exaggerates the mars sand storms. The main thing is the atmosphere there is super thin, barely anything. That means it hasn't much mass to push around. So even fast winds are pushing much of nothing. Their main disadvantage is the darkness they cause blocking the sun and communications.\n\nBut yes, dust cover further reduces solar panel efficiency and it's worth taking steps to deal with it.",
"I've read before that the rovers on Mars get less and less energy from the sun, due to the sand and dust in the air. They move around a bit too, so it seems something stationary would see more of a buildup of dust. But yeah, I haven't seen this addressed anywhere. I could just not be looking in the right places",
"Awesome! let's start a gofundme! lol. \n\n>a superlarge station or meteor would come with it owns gravity, messing up the tides like a new moon\n\nIt need not be *that* close to earth. It could follow earth's orbit around the sun some convenient distance. Also I think stations ought not be \"death star\" big. You can have clusters of them. Similarly, asteroids could be smaller than a km or 2 in diameter and provide a LOT of material.\n\nAlso even if it isn't particularly close, it takes a lot less energy to jet around the solar system than it does to deal with landing on or launching from planets.",
"It’s like climbing Mount Everest: because we can.",
"[In reality, the soil on Mars actually does have the nutrients plants would need to survive on Mars! There may not be the right amount of nutrients depending on where astronauts land on the Red Planet, so fertilizers may need to be added to the soil. The perchlorates in the soil would be leached out and separated from the water.](https://www.nasa.gov/feature/can-plants-grow-with-mars-soil)",
"This is why I keep saying that the only way the poor go to space is as slaves. The elite are intent on *leaving the rest of us here in the mess they made.*",
"Well it's a movie. You have to cut corners here and there. Especially since it's about the characters story, not agriculture :) \n\nSoil arability is a complex subject. I dare say one that isn't fully understood.",
"You expect me to believe that the elite have any kind of foresight whatsoever?\n\n*gestures wildly at planet Earth*",
"I think you get my point but are choosing to be a pedant instead?",
"No. No its not. Im not against space exploration or science. This is stupid fucking ideas about spending trillions upon trillions colonizing Mars for no reason at all.",
"The level of disparity of wealth and power that separates us from the \"elites\" cannot possibly be overstated.",
"Thats how the British felt about America. How do you feel about that? \nFurthermore, it is not a question of if but when will earth have another massive disruptive event that could end all life. If we are colonized on two planets or n planets those probabilities reduce significantly to 0 of losing all of our societies, history, culture. In fact, we increase learning.",
"He grabbed all the feces from the toilet and used that to kickstart soil bacteria, if I remember correctly."
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The first 10,000 days on Mars
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao2Jfm35XeE&ab_channel=Veritasium
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"Never thought about how they were made before, genuinely interesting.",
"I wish more people had even a quarter of the passion for discovery and curiosity as this guy does about figuring out how snowflakes form.",
"Snowflakes are created on the playground by helicopter parents and participation trophies.\n\nEveryone knows this!",
"Hexagons are bestagons",
"He's a professor at a University. Anyone at his level has an intense level of passion for their area of study. It's essentially guided obsession really. A professor of mine once told me that she doesn't think of her job as a job but more as a lifestyle. There is a reason why a lot of well adjusted neurodivergent people find themselves in academia.\n\nSource: Am in academia and love my research.",
"sounds like triangles with extra steps",
"Your window to the world is but through the hexagon. Does that not make it the bestagon?"
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Fascinating discussion into the nature of snowflakes.
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https://youtu.be/YvPuKJHJqMc
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"No hostility there at all, nope nope nope.",
"god this is pretty horrible. I've been enjoying the more recent spider man cartoons",
"What's not to love?"
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Norman Osborn's Completely Normal Dinner Party
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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r6ff22/deleted_by_user/
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"Clickbait title that has little to do with 90% of the video and the video itself is completely different from his usual videos, it's not educational, just a useless opinion piece",
"I agree with him on the very last part about YouTube shorts and all that. However, when it comes to the \"your voice\" stuff, I prefer Veritasium's more pragmatic (imo) take: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2xHZPH5Sng",
"yeah, you can also tell that he try's not to show it much, but just cant help but come across as a bible basher 'jesus loves you' type of guy.",
"I checked his Reddit account once and there is lots of overly religious stuff in there. [For example he said that fossils on top of mountain proves that the flood story in the bible is true.](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/estpg/well_played_satan/c1anvo1/) When in reality it is easily explained by continental drift. A science educator absolutely shouldn't think that the bible story is a better explanation than the scientific consensus...",
"It feels like his channel has been gradually slipping into weird territory. \n\nI personally actually find the military stuff kinda cool, but I know many people are repulsed by the idea of him basically giving the army free propaganda (which there’s no mistaking that it is). \n\nBut what really got to me was his weird privacy app video thing. I care a decent bit about that kind of stuff and that video was just so… wrong? \n\nIt seems like both he and veritasium have gone down a strange path lately. Veritasium publishing outright misleading ads and purposely poorly explained videos (his recent electricity one is borderline misinformation imo) \n\nI get it’s what you have to do partly to survive on YouTube these days. But it just rubs me wrong. Especially the misleading ads and false promises of 1 stop privacy solutions.\n\nI don’t want to sound too negative, I still highly respect both. I just don’t know how I feel about the directions this is heading in. And unfortunately it’s made me question whether or not they did these things intentionally (misleading etc), or if it was simply an oversight/in good faith."
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"These atrocities should *never* be forgotten.\n\nWhen conservatives hail St. Ronny and try to pretend what a \"great\" president he was, they should be reminded of this dark chapter of American history.",
"\"Those Who Do Not Learn History Are Doomed To Repeat It.\"",
"He was human, just like you and me.",
"Agreed",
"I was alive when all this happened and this narrative is mostly propaganda. It ignores a lot of what happened, what we knew about AIDS/GRID, and who it was that fought against government advice on how to stop the spread of the virus.",
"Ronald Reagan’s callous homophobic reaction is the disgrace. That’s what’s “ugh, so annoying”.",
"You sound like a boot-licker. It’s good information to fight against the years of propaganda that painted Reagan as our greatest president - Reagan did so much damage to this country, and we’ve been on a decline since his tenure.",
"Oh boy, I can’t wait to see what people like you have to say about COVID in 40 years time.",
"Fuck Reagan and his murderous, hateful cronies - who still control the GOP.",
"It's kind of like Trump represents a natural conclusion to a trajectory that Republicans have been on for decades. Downplaying & attempting to ignore public health concerns is what they do.",
"Reagan's horrible legacy during the early part of the AIDS epidemic is well documented and he deserves the scorn he receives.",
"I was out and gay 'when all this happened.' Reagan, his White House (and the GOP) ignored, abandoned, and killed thousands.",
"Same reason Holocaust Remembrance Day is a thing.",
"[The facts](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy) are just as shocking as that video.",
"All while proudly demonstrating casual cruelty.",
"Back when the Republicans tried to tell us they were 'compassionate conservatives' for a minute.",
"And?",
"Same here. I’m not absolving Reagan, but blaming it all on him is disingenuous.",
"Ok, https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/claims-that-people-were-being-killed-by-zidovudine-azt-instead-of-aids-are-unsubstantiated/",
"Me. He said and me",
"It's what they call \"compassionate conservatism.\"",
"[666](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lIqNjC1RKU)",
"Thanks",
"Hitler was a human, just like you and me.\n\nJeffery Dahmer was a human, just like you and me.\n\nEpstein was a human, just like you and me.\n\nBeing human just like you and me is not a reason to not hold people accountable for their actions or inactions.",
"You sure like hyperbole like an American. Victim complex giving you a big stiffy?",
"Nothing has been concluded. They are on the same trajectory and accelerating more every day.",
"> It's a good thing we learn from our history.\n\nYet you call remembering the shameful Regan legacy \"annoying\" and ask why people would get others \"angry and worked up over shit that happened almost 50 years ago.\"",
">\"tHoSe WhO fAiL tO sTuDy HiStOrY aRe DoOmEd To rEpEaT iT\", and then you get pissed when someone actually suggests that someone is sharing history",
"> a vaccine\n\nNot a vaccine.\n\n> that turned out to be toxic\n\nUnsubstantiated, and it was the first AIDS treatment approved, without treatment AIDS is a death sentence.",
"Do you just say you care about history because you grew up hearing that caring about history was good?\n\nBecause you clearly don't care\n\nFor instance comparing anything going on in any western country where we teach about the Holocaust as a comparable \"cultural genocide\" is basically just being entitled and childish",
"They prosecute the captain of the ship, not the cabin crew - he was President. He (like Trump) bears the most of burden of responsibility for the direction of his administration. He never *mentioned* AIDS for *years* in public - Never - while thousands died.",
"Dude as long as something bad is happening somewhere. Then there is no point to learning\n\nDuh",
"Did you know that people aren't born knowing history and must actually be taught it?\n\nSurprisingly just because you personally know something doesn't mean it's doesn't need to be shared with other people",
"\"This take on history is different and more negative from what I was taught\n\nWhat's next?! Teaching that Columbus wasn't the first European in America? \n\nThat makes me uncomfortable!\"\n\n-Man who doesn't see point in Holocaust remembrance attempts",
"We had scientists and medical professionals around the world working on figuring this out. It’s not like the government ignored the problem. \n\nSo other than mentioning it, what would you have liked Reagan to do?",
"Your point of view and then this quote of yours: \n\n\nIt's amazing how people are like \"tHoSe WhO fAiL tO sTuDy HiStOrY aRe \nDoOmEd To rEpEaT iT\", and then you get pissed when someone actually \nsuggests that you take actions in the present as a result of our \nunderstanding of history \n\n\nis super cringe.",
"I didn't. GG, no re.",
"You still have politicians that downplay pandemics. Using past events to show the wrongdoings of others can shape people of today to know right from wrong. Not everyone, but some. Hiding the past does not do any good.",
"The Dollop had a good, two-part episode about Reagan. And now, it isn’t all flowers and cuddles. I you want a good laugh to go along with the cringe of the man’s history, I suggest you check it out.\n\n\n[The Dollop - Ronald Reagan (Part 1)](https://youtu.be/FZlRX1EVnSw)",
"The more you learn about Reagan the more you hate him.",
"Fund schools and make PSAs to give proper sex education, and treat people with universal healthcare. That seems like the bare minimum you should do in such an epidemic.",
"You weren't there, or you were ignoring it.",
"Just chiming in to highlight that we are not dealing with a *narrative* here, we are dealing with **facts**.\n\nYou could argue that this is just *a part* of the answer of Reagan's administration, but given that they repeatedly and clearly explain that they do not care about it, you can't really argue that they actually did either. \n\nA journalist asked about if the Reagan administration were paying attention to thousands of people dying to a novel virus and the spokesperson answered by joking about the journalist being gay while answering the president did not care for several years. \n\nThis is not about *narrative* and *propaganda*, this is facts.",
"At the beginning of the AIDS epidemic? When we weren’t sure how it was transmitted and it only affected a few people?",
"You are ignoring my question.",
"Unbiased reporting is an extreme rarity in history\n\nAshurbanipal King of Kings probably wasn't half of what he claimed\n\n\nHerodotus, father of history, was a propagandist who said the slave keeping Spartans were fighting for freedom while the slave freeing Persians we're monster oppressors (extreme simplification)\n\nPliny loved Rome\n\nThe Khan's enjoyed a \"dead men tell no tales\" approach, their surviving historians tended to lean towards praise\n\nFounding Fathers in the US bent the Boston Massacre and failed to mention the initial mob attack\n\nRemember the Maine\n\n\nHistory isn't a dry series of dates and facts found in an element school text book\n\n\nTreating history like you're still in elementary school will lead to narrow and misleading conclusions",
"Yes. In such a crisis the government shares the information they know and shares more when they gain more information. Rather than just doing nothing for years.",
"You obviously didn’t experience this firsthand. This wasn’t like COVID.",
"It's a video that shows recorded audio and total deaths for each year. Straight facts, you are the only one that is giving your opinion.",
"Your question ignores history, the events, and that administration's record. You were not there, stop saying you were.",
"I'm just telling you what we did in Denmark. And we were not alone.",
"And yet you commented like people give a shit about yours. Seeing as you're in the negative, you are obviously the minority.",
"Umm. That's not how things work\n\n1. You haven't stopped it. So by your own logic you are garbage to?\n\n2. I can only effect what's around me. And I do make sure to effect it.\n\n3. Large groups of people have more power. The US is (poorly) taught about the Holocaust and ISNT doing that. You're thinking of China who doesn't care to teach it. \n\nSo all I hear is you justifying your own ignorance and inaction. Pathetic",
"Continuing on your initial point, we need to deal with fact and history. I agree with you, so much of the content we get on the web, and especially on reddit, is there to trigger people into clicking and commenting. \n\nThat being said, today is [AIDS awareness day](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_AIDS_Day) and that kind of stuff is both relevant regarding history (I didn't expect them to be blatantly mocking a novel virus killing thousands), and it's also super relevant regarding today's pandemic (last time I checked, the US had a vaccination rate comparable to...Argentina, and the impact of the denial of the issue by the US President has been measured as very significant by scientific studies). \n\nLastly, I didn't find that the video reached an unreasonable level of sentimentality. It showed the passivity of the Reagan administration with deaths growing and growing, with a tad of dramatization with the music and the pictures to remind that all those deaths were as many people dying a horrible way, their immune system shredded.",
"I was. And my question is what would you have had the President do that wasn’t being done? I’ll help.\n\nHe should have acknowledged it far sooner. It would have been nice, but it wouldn’t have helped anything other than his image. It was all over the news.",
"What \"atrocity\"?\n\nThe first time a question about AIDS is asked, the press secretary (and everyone else in the room) has no idea what it even is. Everyone's laughing because, \"gay plague\" sounds pretty ridiculous. \n\nThe time the second time the question about AIDS is asked, the president has been made aware of it by the CDC and has ordered high-priority for research and requested $12m allocated to its funding....\n\nI don't get what Reagan did with AIDS that was supposedly an \"atrocity\".",
"Reagan wasn’t President of Denmark.",
"I remember this time well. Even after his Hollywood buddy Rock Hudson got AIDS, Reagan refused to promote awareness and safe sex/condom use. He promoted abstinence.\n\nAll this while other western countries were throwing the kitchen sink into research and treatment. He left office after seven years of doing nothing about AIDS.",
"No, but you asked what he and his administration should've done. And I gave the answer.",
"Yeah. They're doubling down daily. Idiocracy is looking more like a documentary every day.",
">What \"atrocity\"?\n\n[Study up.](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/11/nancy-ronald-reagan-aids-crisis-first-lady-legacy)",
"Yes, we’ve seen They Live, we know the world is run by another species.",
"Fair enough. But understand that Denmark in the early 80s was a lot different than the US. AIDS was a very sensitive topic here and attempts at curbing it were met with protests. This was largely due to people feeling their rights were being infringed or they were being targeted, also due to a lack of understanding how the virus was transmitted. \n\nI’ve lost a lot of friends to this, and there’s a lot I can look back and wish we had done, but I also understand how those solutions would have been seen as well.",
"you should try learning more before you speak. You just show how lacking you are in critical thought skills.",
"Reagan was Trump with both charisma and an actively evil spouse, nothing more.",
"Came here to say this",
"Well, for the second half of his presidency, he was being ravaged by dementia and his wife was in charge.",
"btw: you're blocked.",
"The boomers just remember the good stuff about him, which as far as I can read is not a lot.",
"Makes it easier to dodge the question.",
"The hilarious part being that their promoting \"compassionate conservatism\" was basically an admission that conservatism is inherently sociopathic.",
"I agree. We see the same cultural difference make it very hard for you guys with this pandemic as well. An inactive or downright harmfull government obviously makes the problem that much worse, but I do realize that even with a helping government, that you guys still seem to have a large portion of the population who just won't listen.",
"Fucking talk about it? Do something about it? \n\n\nHis administration did neither. \n\n\nYou were not there.",
"He was more though, because he actually got a second term.",
"I can't watch the video right now, buy wasn't his response essentially nothing?",
"And some humans are worse than others. Reagan was a pretty shitty human.",
"And the Reagan democrats.",
"Great respect to the journo Kinsolving for following up and asking the questions despite the asinine and smug press secretary.",
"Reagan fell in line with the traditional republican party establishment a lot more. He didn't really have any opinions of his own, and being an actor, hit his mark when he needed to for the advancement of the party. It just so happened that the party he was working for was truly demonic. \n\n\nTrump is very much his own person (at least in his own mind, he would never think of himself as being used). He would never do anything for the advancement of anything or anyone. Trump would have run as a democrat if he thought it gave him a better chance to win an election. Trump is much more Jacksonian, with no real understanding of the systems of government, party, or the means needed to accomplish things. Like Jackson he was quick to dispose of those in his cabinet who wasn't a yes man to him. Like Jackson he would often ask for things to be done without any grasp of the consequences of those actions. I think Jackson was probably much smarter than Trump, and as a result was able to accomplish way more.",
"Reagan was responsible for more of the problems we have today than any other president of the last 50 years. It was Reagan who codified the failed trickle down economics dogma that has plagued us for the last 40 years and has caused the greatest wealth and income inequality since the Great Depression. It was Reagan who attacked and dismantled unions, thereby weakening workers' rights and protections. It was Reagan who authorized the crooked and illegal backroom dealing that led to the Iran-Contra scandal. It was Reagan who decided that deficits don't matter and contrary to his own small government rhetoric blew annual deficits through the roof, which has become standard GOP practice since.\n\nAnd of course there were his awful social policies, from the AIDS crisis as outlined above, to the intensification of the failed war on drugs, to racist policies attempting to cut social welfare programs by falsely associating black inner city mothers with \"welfare queens\", even though the [majority of people on government assistance were white.](https://newrepublic.com/article/154404/myth-welfare-queen)",
"Cruel man with a smile",
"That's ridiculous. In Idiocracy, the president put out a national program to test everyone and find the smartest people in the country, and as soon as he finds one, immediately hires that person and puts them in charge of fixing the biggest crisis the country was having. \n\nCompare that to actively fighting against anything the smartest people in the country say, and literally demonizing the leading immunologist we have in the country.",
"He literally asked for more info. Then explained how the info from the video doesn't show what the people above are talking about.\n\nInstead of helping educate him you insult him. This just shows how lacking you are in social skills.",
"And to think today in California, it is no longer a felony for people who are HIV-positive to have unprotected sex and not disclose their status.\n\nImagine that.",
"This doesn't answer my question in relation to the \"atrocities\" presented in this video. This article is just basically activists just saying \"they didn't give the issue enough attention\". \"I wrote a letter to the president asking about AIDS and he didn't give me an individual response on the issue\". Like, okay.... By the time he was breifed on it by the CDC he was already making it a top priority for them and requesting funding. I don't get what is an \"atrocity\" about that.",
"Raegan didn't even show up to the funeral despite him and Hudson being good friends for decades.",
"Like raping Selene Walters and comparing a minority to monkeys??? Maybe it was all the coke and guns he brought into my shithole town called Mena back in the 80s. Perhaps it was all of the strange murders and Columbians we kept finding in sealed 55-gallon barrels with their heads, feet, hands, and tattoos all removed. The CIA quickly realized that even farm ponds get dredged every so often. \n\nIt could be a few things that make me not like this guy.",
"Yep, we are very protective of our rights, even to our detriment. I get it, but I wish there were a compromise in some instances.",
"The only different between Trump and Reagan is Trump is blunt and Reagan was sneaky. The GOP no longer hide their hate for the working class, women, people of color and the LGBTQ community. 40 years of brain washing has worked incredibly well.",
"They don't need reminding, they know it very well and are proud of it.",
"Human scum.",
"Yeah I was. I guess if he had talked about it things would be better? How? You can flip out all day, but it was being covered in the media constantly, and governments around the world, including ours, were working on this from the start.",
"The Last Narc is right up your alley, if you haven't see it already",
"Trump is fast becoming too liberal for these nuts.",
"So you're in favor of replacing them with anti corporate pro workingclass reformist?",
"You must not like to read anything but Meta posts",
"I don't think either of those things track in parallel as well as you think they do",
"You know there's a difference between media coverage and official messages from the government, right?\n\nNo one is flipping out, you're just out of your depths.\n\nThey were definitely not working on anything from the start. In fact they never worked on it at all besides promoting abstinence. Is that what you mean by them doing something, or?\n\nI am curious, are you going to make the same factually wrong point just one more time? Or are we finally going to end it here with you admitting you have no idea what you're talking about?",
"He also destroyed the mental healthcare system in this country and exacerbated homelessness by turning mentally-challenged persons out on the street. Also too, systematically reduced funding for the VA making healthcare access difficult for veterans.",
"Some. Although when you talk to many of the fox news devout, they simply don't know. If they didn't have their angry rich white guy in a suit yelling it at them, they simply don't know it.",
"The CDC and Red Cross did nothing at the start of the epidemic? Who recommended shutting down the bathhouses and sparked protests over that move? Where was the research we heard about on the news every night coming from? \n\nYeah Reagan should have acknowledged it far sooner, as I’ve already said, but I don’t think it would have changed much.",
"And as a bonus this episode also has Patton Oswalt.",
"It’s fine. I know only one version of history is acceptable. I love how it’s assumed Reagan could have stopped AIDS and Trump could have ended Covid though. They have more faith in them their supporters.",
"Asshole was probably afraid that someone could start rumors that he was gay because he attended his gay friends funeral.",
"I strongly recommend [And the Band Played On](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Band_Played_On) by Randy Shilts if you’d like to read more about the history of the early-AIDS era. Very readable but it’s the sort of book where you know how it’s going to end and it’s not going to end well.",
"Bahahahaha take your false circle jerk somewhere else.",
"Killer Mike was right, \"glad that he dead\"",
"Listen to the clip he says. You listen, bruv. The first thing he says is that he doesn't know about it. And then after the reporter explains its name and its dangers he says he doesn't have it and if the reporter does. That is already smug. And after the reporter keeps going he says, that there have been no personal experiences of it clearly referring to the gay part, rather than the AIDS part. Can't get more smug if you ask me.",
"Was around in the 80s and can confirm he was a piece of shit along with Margaret Thatcher.",
"Valid point. Painful, horrifying, yet still valid point.\n\nAnd then we followed it up with \"Thousand Points of Light\" Bush.\n\nIs it too early to start drinking?",
"Nah, because by the time you get to remembering Trump, it's best to be shit-faced hammered. It's the only way.",
"If he watched the video he would hear the WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY laughing and suggesting a reporter is a \"Homo\" so as to ignore any concern with the issue. He then did the same thing again months later when asked about it. Made another joke about the reporter being gay. Wow, you are a hero to a moron. You are batting for the wrong team fella. Try arguing for people who actually have the INTEREST in learning more rather than just openly arguing there is no need. \"I don't get what Reagan di d with AIDS That was -supposedly- an atrocity.\" Jesus fucking christ fella. do you not even realize how stupid you are to argue for this kind of shit?",
"Literally just listened to part one last night and was fucking floored. I knew he was an evil prick when he was president, but a strong argument could be made that he was more evil during his tenure as the governor of California.",
"Much worse, it was laughter and implying the questioner must be gay.",
"Thanks to Democratic policies 👍",
"Isn't that really everyone with every politician they like? They're people, they're not perfect and to get to that position of power you're going to have to do some awful things on the way up. Bill Clinton has all sorts of skeletons. But he also has his part to play in the AIDS epidemic.\n\nBill Clinton as Governor or Arkansas was taking blood donations from prisoners and mixing them into the general supply. The White House (The Reagan White House) realized that prisoners practice unprotected homosexual sex and advised no longer accepting blood into the national supply, state supplies all starting following suit.\n\nExcept for one, Arkansas. Arkansas kept the tainted blood (that likely was AIDS infected) in their general supply. Arkansas used it locally and they also sold it internationally spreading AIDS to Canada and Europe through tainted blood (of which this was the source of the Canadian tainted blood sample shortly after).\n\nToday Arkansas represents 0.6% of all AIDs cases in the US with just 0.2% of the total US population. In the 80s Arkansas had the most cases per capita, today it has gone down to 16th.\n\nHow did it end? Well Reagan really hated gay people and just distrusted gay blood. So he ordered the FDA to test blood exports from the Arkansas prison system in 1983 which found it tested positive for HIV. The scandal also showed Clinton was receiving political donations from the private company doing this (HMA Blood) and that the state was earning $15-18 off of every single pint of blood exported.\n\n10 years later Bill Clinton is sworn in as the 42nd president of the United States of which most of his term was dedicated to inappropriate work relationships, accusations of rape and lying under oath (IT DEPENDS ON HOW YOU DEFINE \"THE\").\n\nIf you ask people who liked Clinton what they liked about him, they'll talk about the roaring/booming economy of the 90s and his investments in innovation.",
"Reagan was a terrible piece of shit and we are still dealing with the fallout of his administration decades later.",
">Todays republicans are just south democrats.\n\nIs that you Joy Reid?",
"Note white house secretary not Regan himself. All Regan did in the video was pledge money to help the epidemic. \n\nAgain I'm not batting for any side here. Idgaf about Regan. My only point is your being an asshole unprompted. If you re read your messages and still don't see that then there's no helping you.",
"Yes, and humans elected to lead their country get criticized and held accountable for the mistakes that they make.",
"Reagan: The perfect president for the selfish, ‘me, me, me’ Baby Boomers who benefited directly off trickle-down neo-conservatism, and were indoctrinated to deny/ridicule diseases labeled ‘fake news’ such as AIDS and COVID.",
"Very much like Trump and his former lawyer/friend Roy Cohn.",
"\"...not really a factor, just a puppet for this countries real masters...\"",
"I used to religiously watch White House Press Briefings under Clinton and Obama. Lester was treated like a kook then. I can't remember who he worked for but he always came across to me as a right wing stooge asking gotcha questions. A real trailblazer for Newsmax and similar type outfits. It's interesting to see him being treated like this back in the 80s.",
"Baby Boomers only want to remember what positive things Reagan did for their generation. They’re too narcissist and their heads far up the ass to consider how damming Reagan was to Millennials and Gen Z who weren’t even born yet as his administration sought to destroy their future.",
"Realize how many of these traitorous shits are still in power today (Manchin, Schumer, Pelosi, Feinstein).",
"Nancy and Nancy’s dad need more of a tar and feathering then they ever received in the press.",
">Unsubstantiated,\n\n[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7744255/#:\\~:text=It%20is%20concluded%20that%20AZT,highly%20toxic%20to%20human%20cells](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7744255/#:~:text=It%20is%20concluded%20that%20AZT,highly%20toxic%20to%20human%20cells).\n\n> It is concluded that AZT, at the dosage prescribed as an anti-HIV drug, is highly toxic to human cells.\n\n[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3299090/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3299090/)\n\n>Although a subset of patients tolerated AZT for an extended period with few toxic effects, the drug should be administered with caution because of its toxicity and the limited experience with it to date.",
"Oh my god yes.",
"So... Like many drugs. This was literally all that was available to prevent death.",
"A lot of people got shocked when Trump was elected and forget that this racist, second rated actor and idiot was elected and for some strange reason is the pinnacle for conservatist.",
"And yet it was literally proven toxic, unlike what you claimed..",
"False\n\n[https://medium.com/the-radical-center/reagan-and-hiv-truth-or-myth-90cb05a6bb6a](https://medium.com/the-radical-center/reagan-and-hiv-truth-or-myth-90cb05a6bb6a)",
"This is true for the majority of comments in the majority of sub-reddits.",
"It being toxic isn't a serious issue if the drug works. It helps more than it hurts. It's still used to this day.",
"He was more polite though",
"Spoiler alert, they won’t be around.",
"Might want to read this, folks. Rather than take your views from Vanity Fair alone. Seems like a pretty reasonable refutation/discussion of a lot of the claims in this thread re Reagan and AIDS. Enjoy.\n\n[https://medium.com/the-radical-center/reagan-and-hiv-truth-or-myth-90cb05a6bb6a](https://medium.com/the-radical-center/reagan-and-hiv-truth-or-myth-90cb05a6bb6a)",
"> incessantly loud echo chamber that is the left of Reddit. The Secretary simply stated the White House hadn’t any personal experience with the epidemic. You’re reading incredibly far into a rather simple statement and it’s angered everyone in this thread. It’s\n\nI am not a card carrying democrat or even on the left, but are you for real not hearing him connote that 'nobody in the white house or folks we know are gay' and essentially making fun of gay people with the smugness and jokes? He repeatedly makes needling comments about how lester is 'interested in this' and how it is going to be an 'aids question'. etc.",
"1: No other disease is treated the way HIV/AIDs was/is. It wasn't a crime to not disclose any other STI. \n\n2: HIV isn't what it was 3 decades ago. It's no longer a death sentence, it's a chronic condition, and in the US someone with HIV has a lifespan comparable to someone without it. And drugs like PrEP reduce transmission rates significantly, and when combined with other forms of protection reduce the rates to basically zero. \n\n3: The laws didn't work. The DOJ, the CDC and public health officials all agreed the laws caused people to not get tested and not seek out care. They were trying to solve a medical issue with criminal laws and it didn't work. \n\nAt the end of the day, the point of the law is to reduce the number of people being infected with HIV. Keeping around a bad law because it feels like a good thing doesn't make sense.",
"Family Values TM.",
"We were talking about smugness, not about an echo chamber or anything else. We are only looking at this interaction between two people. One of whom is informed and wants answers and the other does give an answer but follows it up with a rather smug statement and question. The second part I agree was interpreted although it's difficult to see anything else but further smugness from the press secretary.\n\nIf you can't see that the press secretary is smug about this, I really don't know what to tell you. It has nothing to do with echo chamber. This would be like me saying the earth is round and you disagreeing, even though it is a proven fact. If we can't agree on facts then there is no discussion possible.",
"Fuck that. There’s plenty of boomers that despised him then and now.",
"Jesus the answer was basically “I know you are but what am I stop hitting yourself”.",
"What's that say at the top there? Opinion? You may be surprised what all went down if you're actually interested in history.",
"I think there were a few problems that could be credited back to Nixon, otherwise I would agree. The republican party was gradually going downhill since the 60s and then suddenly fell off the cliff entirely.",
"More than that, he was effective at doing things. Trump did fuck all, in reality.",
"Well, he did undermine our Democracy, get impeached twice, and foment a violent insurrection in our Capitol. Those count as all of the reasons he and his party can never, ever be allowed near the Oval Office again.",
"Ooh do Fauci's response next.",
">That's true, they reduced it to a misdemeanor since HIV treatments these days basically make it non-transmissible and not a death sentence like it was in the 80s.\n\nSo you can purposely not tell someone you have a deadly disease they can catch...but it is not that big of a deal because your victim can pay for treatments and medicines the rest of their lives?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Keeping it a felony was causing more HIV cases to go undocumented. \n\nKeeping it a felony was stopping more people from secretly infecting other people with a deadly disease.",
"There’s a difference between funding research and funding research and making a big fat fucking joke about the lives of sick people just because they’re potentially gay and pretending to not know about an epidemic killing thousands more each successive year AS PORTRAYED IN THE VIDEO THIS ENTIRE POST IS ABOUT.",
"> The DOJ, the CDC and public health officials all agreed the laws caused people to not get tested and not seek out care. \n\nThat has NOTHING to do with secretly and deceptively infecting another human being with a deadly disease.\n\nIt was not a felony to have the disease. It was a felony to keep your communicable disease a secret because you wanted to have sex with a person.",
"Orange man bad",
"The economy picked up during his presidency, so he’s a boomer hero. Of course, his strategy to do so was to egregiously sell out the future for short term gain. Things got so bad immediately after his term that Bush Sr had to raise taxes, which to a Republican is like having to eat their own children. Obviously, Bush Sr was a one-term president for acting like an adult.",
"Compassionate conservatives is an oxymoron. It's ideologically impossible to care about other human beings and be a conservative.",
"Correct.",
"Here come all the Reagan cock suckers to defend him and to tell everyone that “he’s not the only one.” No, but he sure as fuck was the worst one.",
"Or that he and his filth manufactured a crisis about social security so they could execute one of the greatest wealth thefts under the guise of “helping.”\n\nLike, if we’re actually to structure SS how they claimed, every person’s 401k and SS should at least be based on a quantity of stocks/bonds on some national index. As it is they just allowed for the government to “borrow” and never pay it back….over and over again.\n\nBy by all means, Mitch, let’s clutch the pearls at the thought while giving yet another blank check to your donors to give you kickbacks and keep you in power in a state benefitting the least from your actions…\n\nHe was some of the ugliest bits of human excrement to ever smear a White House wall. Ronald Reagan might be the only president worse than Trump, and that’s still with a take that Jackson behaved in kinship of a 19th century Hitler!",
"I agree about the timing part. I was just addressing your literal interpretation of \n\n\\>'The Secretary simply stated the White House hadn’t any personal experience with the epidemic. '\n\nIt was definitely a jab, that's all.",
"Preach",
"Thanks for the suggestion",
">C\n\nbecause nothing extremely bad happened during his election and they credit him for negotiating with soviet union",
"A lot of noise, reagonomics and the effects of his social policies will probably out live most of us, nothing Trump did will have any lasting effect, the \"insurrection\" is the epitome of his presidency, bunch of dumb, out of touch people larping around, taking selfies and picking up random bits of furniture to steal. They came about as close to what an actually insurrection takes as a civil war reenactment.\n\nAnd all the republicans need to do is wait 4 years and run a moderate, sane guy with no scandal's against whichever milquetoast democratic candidate follows biden and it'll be a republican presidency again, and if they run a progressive, they have no chance in 2024 at all, sadly. Aren't a lot of political power houses left that can appeal to swing, moderates and progressives and democrats love to eat their own.",
"Trumpism is so weird to me. He embodies none of the conservative values I was raised with. The absolute worship of him by almost every conservative really dismantled all of those so called values that I learned in a rural red state.",
"Tragic times and the depiction of the heart of an American president. When Press Conference were skits for cheap laughs.",
"Nothing plus press conferences making fun of it.",
"Conservatism in action. Still the same hateful ideology it's always been.",
"Didn't Reagan also spearhead the illegalization of machine guns? Seems weird that gun rights supporters would like him",
"Most of America agrees, that's why he lost by millions of votes.",
"Yep. [Reagan and the NRA worked to ban guns](https://www.history.com/news/black-panthers-gun-control-nra-support-mulford-act) once the Black Panthers started carrying them.",
"Last I checked he was on the sidebar of /r/conservative, so yeah, they're still sucking that monster's dick.",
"...and, he, too, was an entertainer...",
"This blissfully ignores the long standing civil rights issues with institutional commitment, with its fun treatments like lobotomies and shock therapy for aliments like hysteria and being gay.\n\nWiping your hands clean and shutting it down wasn't a great decision, but lets not pretend the previous system was working at all.\n\nThe dems had no issue just forgetting about it for decades as well.",
">I didn't say it wasn't a big deal, which is why you can still get 6 months in prison for doing it.\n\nYou do not get 6 months for not asking for consent.\n\nIt is funny how fast people reject consent when it comes to their sexual philosophy.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>It being a felony did NOT stop people. \n\nSomething being a felony always stops people. \n\nIt just does not stop the most evil people.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>All it did was make people not get tested. If you don't know your HIV status, you can't be convicted of knowingly infecting people.\n\nHow dark and evil is that?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>I get why the law bothers you but if you actually look into the outcomes it's basic harm reduction.\n\nIt does not reduce the harm to those who are victims of HIV infected people who do not disclose their disease.\n\nThere are plenty of HIV infected people who are STILL having sex with others and purposely NOT telling them this one act can change their lives forever.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>More people get tested and treated, which leads to lower spread of HIV.\n\nAnd those people who know they have a deadly disease which requires a lifetime of treatment should be asking for consent.",
"I'll leave you with four words: I'm glad Reagan dead.",
"Yes. It's amazing to me that this ever became a retort. \"Oh, you called the walking morality play bad? You're so predictable. I bet I could even guess what you'd say if I took a shit on your car! Think for yourselves, sheeple!\"",
"jesus fucking christ even asking the question got you \"accused\" of being gay.",
"This is whataboutism at its finest",
"It didn't even start with him. Reagan's team - and much of Trump's - date all the way back to Nixon. Roger Stone and Paul Manafort got their start as Nixon operatives and are threaded through decades of Republican politics.",
"Reagan is now the second worst president since I was born. The best and most ethical being Jimmy Carter.",
"Recognizing that is the first step on the road to recovery. Baby steps.",
"https://youtu.be/6lIqNjC1RKU\n\nIf you have never seen or heard this before… enjoy.",
"It just means they feel pity for you but won't help.\n\nFeeling bad for you is all the compassion they can muster.",
">That has NOTHING to do with secretly and deceptively infecting another human being with a deadly disease.\n\n1: It's not really a deadly disease in developed countries anymore.\n\n2: You're missing the point. Sure, the law's goal is to criminalize nondisclosure and not to criminalize HIV in general. But the reality is that the disclosure laws, for a number of reasons, \nmeant less people wanted to get tested, didn't increase disclosure rates and further stigmatized HIV. And all of this means that more people end up getting HIV than if the law didn't exist. This is what the studies show. \n\nIf the goal of the law is to act as a deterrent and reduce HIV rates then it failed. \n\nThe new laws better reflect our modern understand of HIV and work to actually prevent cases, rather than just punish and stigmatize people with HIV.",
"Love how all you little rubes still lean on this lmao, like all it does is show that you lack the critical thought to understand why someone would dislike the guy",
"The sixties was when the Republicans adopted the \"Southern Strategy.\" It was based on snagging racist white people, who had always voted Democrat since Lincoln, a Republican, had declared the Emancipation Proclamation and then the violently pro-slave faction lost the civil war.\n\nThe Southern Strategy was to come out clearly against all civil rights legislation from the sixties on, whether for racial minorities, other minorities like immigrants and LGBT, and even against women's rights.\n\nIt worked. Democrats are now associated with civil rights, and almost all the haters and supremacists are now virulently Republican.\n\nReagan's contribution to adding constituents was bringing fanatical Christian evangelical extremists into the Party. Jerry Falwell and his \"Moral Majority\" (which was neither), were the key. Before that, Christian fanatics generally had considered themselves above earthly politics and voting as a bloc, as the world was in God's hands.\n\nThose two strategies, racism/sexism, plus Christian supremacy, are the foundations of what the Republican Party has morphed into today.",
"He happened to be president during a period of expansion, and told people that giving rich people money was the reason for it. Even though Clinton and Obama's expansions were much greater with opposing views of Reagan's.",
"Reagan was an actor. That’s all he ever was.",
"And he didn't just win. He won 47 out of 50 states in 1980, and then won 49 out of 50 in 1984.",
"Maybe don’t bone people without knowing them first? Not his problem that people were being punished for their sins, he had no right to help fix that. AIDS is a terrible thing, but you don’t promote safe sex, you promote sex with people you trust. Sounds safe to me. Don’t be sluts and don’t get STDs.\n\nEdit: For everyone saying I’m ignorant, why? What I say makes sense. People who get AIDS get it from either having a gay partner with aids, screwing random people because they can’t keep it in their pants, or they’re sharing needles. I’m not saying that they deserve it because they’re who they are or whatever, but if you get AIDS doing something you shouldn’t be doing, it’s not the government’s position to make all these efforts to let you do the wrong things your doing without the risks of STDs. Easiest way to keep from getting STDs is to do the right thing and keep your dicks in your trousers and not screw anything with a heartbeat. The people who get it messed up and did something that they shouldn’t have been doing in the first place. If the government is gonna do anything about this, it shouldn’t be encouraging people to risk getting AIDS for the sake of getting laid. Chastity is not impossible, it’s important to survive.",
"> It was Reagan who codified the failed trickle down economics dogma that has plagued us for the last 40 years and has caused the greatest wealth and income inequality since the Great Depression.\n\nBased neoliberalism has created the most wealthy society IN HISTORY. Wealth does trickle down what the fuck do you think wealth is, it's you getting a job. Are you employed?",
"try educating yourself before you make dumb ass comments m'kay?\n\n[https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/fauci-recalls-the-terrifying-early-days-of-the-aids-epidemic](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/fauci-recalls-the-terrifying-early-days-of-the-aids-epidemic)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFucking conservatives",
"I highly recommend listening to the podcast Behind the Bastards. There’s a two-part episode on Ronald and Nancy Reagan and if you didn’t hate them before, you will after you listen.",
"Good lord, this is a shameful comment.",
"I lost a relative to AIDS after they were raped in the late 80s. So you can just go and fuck yourself.",
"Or the backlash for not doing anything about the situation from all those attending the funeral…?",
"Reagan was a prune-faced ghoul whose policies led to the immiseration of the middle class. His entire legacy is phoney. His term was more destructive than Trump or Nixon.",
"or his senile mushy brain was afraid of catching aids through the air",
"Cry harder, fanboi.",
"Hudson? Never met the guy.",
"I grew up in a house of Reagan worshipers and didn't know any better until I took college level economics courses.\n\nI won't other to tell my epiphanies here, but if anyone would love to hear a stunning breakdown of just what kind of a horrible fucking piece of shit garbage man Ronald was, I'd highly recommend his [2-parter on The Dallop](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZlRX1EVnSw).",
"Wow... This is the most ignorant comment I've seen this fucking week. Teaching abstinence was contributing to the AIDS epidemic and Reagan and his cabinet fucking sat there and make jokes about people DYING. And you say \"don't bone people you don't know?\" Keep that head in the sand, dude.",
"I don't know much about the history of this but for a deadly disease transferred through bodily fluids, promoting abstinence seems reasonable.",
"He ows his presidency to the writers and movie producers that portrayed him as human. Everybody knows it was not his politics that got him in the seat.",
"People often give the Westboro Folks credit for what lots of Churches did, with the aid of both sides of the aisle, to ignore, and worse vilify, the victims of AIDS. Reagan gave a platform for the worst of the worst. I am glad he died horrifically.",
"Get the fuck outta here",
"You definitely have a point there.",
"I'm not saying Reagan was good, I'm saying that everyone selectively remembers their heroes. You could make the precise argument about Bush Sr, W Bush, Obama, Trump and in a few years Biden.\n\nHow people feel about Margaret Thatcher's legacy is entirely related to their political leanings.\n\nWhat I'm describing is the analytic nature of partisanship.\n\nWhether or not Clinton's impact on the Canadian tainted blood scandal is ever mentioned in Canada depends on whether you are Conservative or Liberal.\n\nWhataboutism is basically me saying LOL REAGAN IS GOOD BECAUSE EITHER CLINTIN SI BAD OR BOTH ARE BAD, LOL RUSSIA RUSSIA.",
"Ronald Reagan was a white supremacist.",
"Just look up what happened when one of his people came to SF to meet with Blood Sisters. And, there were many folks, publicly, and in office, who said this was a plague from Godfrey Almighty…..",
"> Reagan was responsible for more of the problems we have today than any other president of the last 50 years. \n\nIt's as if we shouldn't elect unqualified TV stars to positions of power...",
"Also disturbing: the ambient giggling when the topic is discussed. Several people in this room are deeply embarrassed by thinking of gay people, or think it's just so absurd, or worse. Since they believe AIDS is \"the gay plague\" they don't want to treat it like a serious problem.",
"Well it didn't help that the ACLU and libertarians basically won in court to prevent mandatory treatments and internment. Can't force a mentally ill person into treatment, so now our prison system is the default mental health system in America.",
"How about you don't try to use your imaginary friend as an excuse to victim blame instead.\n\nI mean, it is pretty obvious that you are not a christian by any measure.",
"Lester Kinsolving's own daughter, Kathleen Kinsolving, was associate producer on this video.",
"My husband has HIV thanks to a previous partner cheating on him in a closed relationship. Epidemiology has nothing to do with \"sin\". Go fuck yourself you bigot.",
"It seems like there are way too many people like you these days. Very strong incel vibes. Maybe you're the one who needs some sex with someone you don't know...but then some poor soul would have to get with you",
"Reagan had Alzheimer's disease. He was in no condition to attend a funeral let alone be president. Blaming him for decisions he \"made\" during his second term is foolhardy at best and downright ghoulish at worst.",
"Yyyyeah, but it's more of a 'Both sides are the same!'ism, and yet another example of assuming left leaners are for double standards for 'their guy'.\n\nThat's not how rational people think.",
"This is false. Post Cuckoo's Nest film there was a massive push to close state run institutions.",
"Why does everything have to resort to further hatred in politics. Can we all just stop playing \"the game\" politics is made to make everyone hate each other, plain & simple. If you know the history of Reagan he was a very decent president (insanely controversial here I know) but he had gnarly flaws as does every politician alive. Anyone who disagrees has their head in the sand but moderators wtf rule#1 is no politics. How do you allow this stuff to be posted whether you agree with it or not. Lets all try to be better & stop buying into the hatred circle we are seemingly trapped in. Also I identify with no party anymore due to the heavy & mind-numbing hypocrisies of both parties & I got to say you have to try it out people to live a far less stressful life. I get it \"its important to fight for what you believe in\" but I know both parties want to eradicate the other so do you really want to be on that side of bus?",
"Oh look stupidity and pushing of conspiracy theories reminiscent of [the propoganda campaign known as Operation Infektion](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_INFEKTION)",
"First of all unrealistic solution are not reasonable. Second of all its not all fluids, saliva is not transferring it, so kiss is not that dangerous (but the risk is still there because of cuts, wounds etc).\n\nFrom another hand condoms prevent aids, other STD, unwanted pregnancy etc and allow people to do what they were always doing anyway, but in a more safe way.",
"That sucks so bad. I'm sure it's still fresh in your mind, so, my condolences.",
"\"Seems.\" It's ineffective and not people who promote it are unwilling to do literally anything else",
"Omg you guys are so dumb. HIV didn't exist until the early 20th century.",
"You implied it since you're acting like the med should never have been given when it was our only real option. Fact is if the med is less dangerous than the disease it treats and you have no real options then that's what you go with like chemotherapy for cancer.",
"I didn't know your merciful and loving god killed people for having sex, that sounds like a great god you're worshipping. I'm glad I chose my religion more wisely so I don't have to deal with a god with such low moral character.",
"Reagan will go down in history as one of the worst Presidents in US history. He botched every major issue and in large part created in inequity, we still live with today.\n\nAnd post-Trump, this is saying a lot.",
">Ronald Reagan might be the only president worse than Trump, and that’s still with a take that Jackson behaved in kinship of a 19th century Hitler!\n\nGeorge W Bush wants a moment!",
"So how warm is the weather around your parts, Satan?",
"Damn. I didn't know you needed 21st century information in order to not laugh off a horrific disease that was killing Americans because it was just the gays.",
"The Reagan administration raised taxes 4 times after the famous 1981 tax cuts. Bush Sr.'s greatest sin was that he specifically ran using the line \"No new taxes\" and then raised taxes.",
"Oooh don’t forget marrying the GOP to the evangelicals through the whole Moral Majority bullshit!",
"Remember when we had an alzheimer's patient for president...\n\nWait, we still do?",
"What are the conservative values you were raised with?",
"Reagan and his admin were horrible ghouls. AS usual with inept republicans he caused a TON of damage to the world.\n\nThis whole press conference is disgusting.",
"I would argue that this is not political, it's history. Reagan isn't a politician anymore unless he's speaking from beyond the grave leading some evil cabal. \n\n\nThis is a look at the history of our country and the treatment of a group of US citizens. If you find this political then you are living in the past and maybe are part of the problem.",
"That's not true. It's very easy for a conservative to be sympathetic towards those who they see as having a bad lot through no fault of their own. For instance, those with juvenile cancer.\n\nBut if you die from smoking, drug overdose, a sexually transmitted disease, or suffer because you made poor decisions earlier in life and now find yourself outcompeted by your peers, then, you are right, they likely have no compassion about your situation.",
">These atrocities should never be forgotten.\n\nAgree. We must not let Fauci avoid responsibility for his involvement in the Reagan admin's response to AIDS.",
"Reagan was garbage",
"Don't forget ending the Fairness Doctrine for Roger Ailes. Reagan is responsible for Tuck and Hannity.",
"You’re a bad person. Your parents failed at raising a decent human being.",
"Fauci was born in the 40s you idiot. Specific SIV mutations appear in 1910, a whole 30 years before fauxi was born. \n\nAre you legitimately arguing that fauci used SIV to create HIV?",
"Ahhh religious zealots & publicly announcing their stupidity, a classic combo.",
"I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this was their post-Civil Rights Revolution plan.\n\nVoting Rights act of 1965 has been disabled. Roe v Wade is toast. 6 of 9 SCOTUS justices are Federalists whose self-imposed duty is to see the law as the founding fathers would have.\n\nAmerica is so fucked, well past a point of no return.",
"He wasn't a puppet, mouthing lines with no volition: he had a hundred chances to speak about AIDS, and didn't. And so he is guilty.\n\nThe people who wrote his lines? Also guilty.",
"It’s honestly seems like a problem with no good solution. There’re certainly better setups than we have now or then, but any policy forcing treatment will inevitably be misused, either accidentally or purposefully. \n\nI had seriously mental health issues as a young child (less than 10 years old), and got sent to in-patient facilities twice. It wasn’t voluntary for my parents, and they were already doing everything right in finding therapists and psychiatrists with pertinent experience. \n\nIn both cases, the in-patient periods made things worse despite it being called treatment. Psychiatric treatment isn’t an exact science, and “going to the hospital” can be extremely helpful or sometimes pretty detrimental. Experiences like mine are echoed fairly often. \n\nI don’t know what solution is best for mental health in America (or the world), but all solutions have major drawbacks that can’t be ignored.",
"One of the most vile human beings to ever set foot on this world",
"Mentioning the southern strategy is a bannable offense in /r/conservative.",
"If only there was some connection between the two. If only we had some prolonged, consistent set of action or inaction to reveal the true nature of ol slappy boy. I guess we'll never know, unless somebody has video of Regan running into hospitals to spout slurs at dying AIDS patients. Alas, we have such scant evidence at hand.\n\nSorry I'm not sure your comment warrants this /s shit but I was inspired",
"i’m really glad Regan and this guy suffered from Alzheimer’s. makes me lol 😂",
"[First off, already a disproven theory](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_polio_vaccine_AIDS_hypothesis#:~:text=The%20oral%20polio%20vaccine%20(OPV,between%201957%20and%201960%20in) Second, HIV has been traced back to the [20s in Africa meaning that it predates the Polio vaccine entirely](https://www.bbc.com/news/health-29442642)",
"My grandparents died from it. My grandmother was infected via a blood transfusion in the 80's. She died in '91 and my grandfather in '98.",
"I just wasn't as clear how hateful it was without the internet and their God Trump. Now we see the full force of the hateful 20% of the United States.",
"^ Someone has been gobbling up misinformation. ಠ_ಠ\n\nDon't be that guy.",
"\"I'll be praying for you.\"",
"Everyone should read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/bi0ik8/there_are_people_in_this_sub_who_unironically/elxavi4/\n\nThe following is a reddit comment from a few years ago that I found particularly striking. I can't find it but I know I didn't write it.\n\n> Practically all credible modern sources agree that if the Reagan administration's response to the HIV/AIDS crisis had been more robust and aggressive in its early days, countless lives could've been saved. Even beyond that, gay men with HIV had to fight for their basic human dignity to be recognized and respected. They were sick and dying, and instead of reaching out with compassion and basic human fucking decency, they were mocked, reviled, and cast out because of what and who they were. If it were straight men falling sick and dying in the sorts of numbers as gay men were at the time, no expense would have been considered too much to solve it, and they would have been treated with humanity and respect. No matter how you want to spin it, it was hatred of gay people, pure and simple, that allowed the AIDS epidemic to spiral out in the way it did. The rhetoric of the religious right, you know, the coalition that swept Reagan into power, openly celebrated HIV/AIDS as God's punishment of gay people, and not once did any member of the Reagan administration ever denounce such hatred and evil dehumanization of innocent American citizens who committed no other crime than being gay and sick. Fuck Ronald Reagan, if you are a gay person, the world is immeasurably enriched now that the disgusting fuck and his filthy animal of a wife are dead and rotting in the ground. I can only hope that Reagan's last days as his mind failed him was a fraction as painful and terrifying as what gay men faced due to his inaction and egging on of the Christian right. As a gay man, there is absolutely nothing the Republican party can ever offer me that would make me vote for them or see them as anything other than monsters with the blood of my community on their hands.",
"Gave Michelle Obama candy, though.",
"I tend to defer to the minority in question regarding such things. Clinton is why gay people could serve in the military at all, as opposed to being found and purposefully ferreted out. He received support from the LGBT community. Bush didn't and Dole didn't.",
"Wow! I didn't watch the video at first. Read through the comments, and then decided to watch, that is 1 of the most pathetic things I've seen in a while from people who are suppose to be in power and be looking after the citizens. Nothing but a bunch of depicable useless assholes. And that includes all the motherfucking assholes that are laughing.",
"Deficits don't matter because they know a Democrat will be elected before the real effects are seen, inherit a failing economy, fix it and then just as there's an economic upturn coming, enough people buy the \"democrats are ruining the economy\" horse shit that a Republican then gets elected to inherit the booming economy only to leave with a failing economy and repeat the process.",
"I mean... whatever. Reagan was trying to end the cold war at the time, so expecting him to take a big interest in a disease that was circulating almost exclusively among gay men is pretty fucking stupid. It's also pretty stupid to ignore the fact that basically everyone in the 80's had a dim view on homosexuality. Even as late as 2008, Obama was publicly against gay marriage. Stop acting like you all would have been different.",
"Reagan also eliminated the FCC's [Fairness Doctrine](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine), allowing organizations like Sinclair to completely destroy the integrity of local news channels.",
">Reagan he was a very decent president\n\nSays the guy born a decade later.",
"They track well. Reagan was pretty much like Trump with manners. I agree that you \"don't think\" though.",
"TBF Cohn would do the exact same thing.",
"He raped 19 year old Selene Walters.",
"I got one whole year of life under my boy Jimbo.",
"The idea was having social workers and health agencies on the \"outside\" assist those people into adjusted living, jobs, etc. It wasn't like there was no plan, the plan just wasn't funded. There are innumerable plans, social workers, government groups, non-government groups, etc. in place, they just get absolutely miniscule funding. \n\nPeople are flatly unwilling to spend money on problems like mental health, homelessness, and drug interventions, even though there are fair likelihoods that spending will work.",
"Uh huh, and I suppose the link to Faucci’s own article from 1986 was just the author’s opinion right? \n\nhttps://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/article-abstract/386561\n\nImplying that an opinion article by definition can’t contain verifiable factual data is myopic, and a bad faith argument.",
"You're just showing your ignorance right now. Yes, the U.S. is the wealthiest nation in the world, however, the MAJORITY OF THAT WEALTH IS CONCENTRATED IN THE HANDS OF THE TOP 10%. Which is exactly what trickle down economic policies are designed to do--make the wealthy even wealthier at the expense of everyone else. And if trickle down worked so well, then why has the wealth and income inequality gap in America widened to the largest it's ever been in the past 50 years?\n\nHell, even Reagan's own vice president, George HW Bush, knew trickle down was bullshit when he correctly called it out as \"voodoo economics\".\n\nNot to mention most of that wealth generated over the past 40 years has been done on the back of debt spending, not genuine savings and investment. That's why our national debt is now approaching $30 TRILLION. \n\nPlease go back to school and learn something.",
"I think when you’re president you forfeit the right to hide behind a disease. If he’s not responsible, then someone accountable to him is, what’s the difference.",
"Yeah my dad hates Reagan’s guts. He literally celebrated when the man died.",
"It’s not a bad case, altho the author clearly wants to villify liberals and obfuscate any blame the administration could have.",
"https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/10/the-psychology-of-victim-blaming/502661/\n\nYou should read this",
"Republicans in a nutshell.\n\n\"We support the right to open cary\"\n\n\"Wait no! Not like that!\"",
"W Bush was absolutely worse. There's zero question. Trump was terrible, but he had pathetically little capability to accomplish anything of note. He was clueless in how to utilize the leverage of power. \n\nW Bush, and, really, Cheney, however, were extremely adept at utilizing those powers. They had a high capability to commit actual damage and change existing laws for the worse.",
"Misinformation = facts that you don't like",
"WEAR A MASK PEOPLE!",
"I knew AIDS was stigmatized, laughed at and ignored but this is just out of any proportions anyone could reasonably expect.",
"Yeah, he might not have been the best president, but he sure seems like a warcriminal I could have a barbeque and beer with. /s",
"This article, shared more than once in this comment section, from Medium - a social-media driven blogging site designed to share content like news articles than like social media posts on Reddit Facebook or Twitter - does little more with the full English vocabulary than defend Reagan on the basis of “what could you really expect from AIDS research in the 1980s?”\n\nThis does not absolve the mishandling. It complicates it. It does not exonerate Reagan, nor vilify historical advocates (though it absolutely attempts this). The condemnation of Reagan by the LGBT communities may have a facet of “could do no right” held against Reagan does not change simply because bitterness and old shoes gives conflicting info. \n\nAccording to the [CDC](https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00001880.htm), between 1981 and 1990, AIDS (as the final stages of the HIV disease) caused 100,777 deaths. NOT 45k “total” as mentioned (nor 300k as historically smearing Reagan). Roughly one-third of these (31, 196) were in 1990 alone and beyond Reagan’s oversight (but not beyond the oversight of George HW Bush (who was Reagan’s VP and director of Central Intelligence under Ford). \n\nThe CDC also estimates Gay Men were disproportionately affected at 59% total rates, so the statistical extrapolation that only 5% of 45k not wiping out a generation is FALSE, inaccurate, and unresearched. Since this is the basis of the entire counterpoint that Reagan “didn’t [murder a] whole generation” of gay men, fails to bring logic to its own logic driven argument. \n\nDid Reagan do more than given credit? I acknowledge there was more mentioned in the 80s by government officials than some activists remember. \nHowever transcripts of the speeches and statements only speak to stopping the disease. No one considered how it affected a community, and far lower is the priority of advocacy for equal treatment and the resulting stigma currently persisting.\n\nObviously the CDC knows today that being tone deaf toward an affected community will make less impact than finding the right message. Today the CDC repeatedly advocates for regular testing, safer sex, and preventing spread for both HIV and COVID. Reagan’s administration - CDC and health department not included (because we can see how well that advice is taken by a president uninterested in it) - did the bare minimum necessary.\n\nTrump’s grandiose negligence and cutting the pandemic response team can absolutely be credited for the deaths of half of a million Americans by COVID. The same can and should be applied to Reagan for ignoring the feedback and resistance to a new disease, for failing to change the messaging, failing to clarify the messaging, failing to advocate for personal safety, and too easily allowing shame and punishment to be the TREATMENT response.\n\nNo where in the article does it discuss the suffering experienced or witnessed as HIV flares into AIDS and destroys a human, or how hospital policy was never updated to accommodate the sick and dying, nor that guidance of care was necessary. People died because doctors and nurses refused to treat them, and Reagan did nothing according to this medium post to even address the hospice care. That is the legacy on his name; that is the apathy his memory invokes. That is why it seemed like no effort for treatment made impacts until a little straight (?) WHITE BOY named Ryan White caught HIV from a blood transfusion did TREATMENT become a priority. And now his name lives on as a government assistance program to ensure PLWH have access to TREATMENT and medicine.",
"Bullshit.\n\n[Anthony Fauci Reflects On 40 Years Of HIV/AIDS Research](https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/fauci-40th-aids-anniversary/).\n\nDr. Anthony Fauci has had a distinguished career in public service, serving as Director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases at the National Institutes of Health under six successive presidents. Working at the forefront of the fight against HIV/AIDS over the past 40 years, he has gained an unparalleled perspective on the breathtaking progress that has been made in treatment and prevention. Dr. Fauci believes that we have all we need to end this epidemic, if we couple our scientific tools with active community engagement. \n\n[Source](https://www.csis.org/podcasts/aids-2020/anthony-fauci-transcending-administrations).",
"This made me snortle. Yes, Bush Jr is in the … (counts fingers) top… 10? God we have a lot of terrible people as president…",
"Just out of curiosity, how old are you? You've been on Reddit a while it looks like.",
"It appears that way to me also.",
"A hard day's work for a fair days wage. Loyalty to your job will pay off in the long run. Trickle down economics works.\n\nYou know, lies to keep the peasants from revolting.",
"He did everything in his power to hide the fact that he was severely demented during his presidency rather than handing over power to someone with a functioning brain, so he deserves any and all shit he could possibly get. \n\nHe was legitimately one of the most vile human beings on the planet and perfectly personified the \"polite\" south attitude we know so well. All smiles and jokes in public but hateful, evil scheming behind closed doors. Then they try to claim for moral high ground because they use \"clean\" language as if gaslighting, backstabbing, etc. isn't hundreds of times worse than just saying \"fuck\".\n\nFuck Reagan. It's a real shame that assassination attempt in 1981 wasn't successful, because the U.S. would probably be a much better place. Reagan was unique at the time because he was so popular from his acting, so him not going on TV to knowingly lie about his proposed legislation/changes to make them more palatable would have made H.W. much less popular for the same exact shit that made Reagan loved by idiots.",
"Does he even break the top 20 worst world leaders of the 21st century? Sure he instigated a 20 year occupation, but we’ve got at least 3 genocides in the past decade alone and then there’s Putin!",
"> expecting him to take a big interest in a disease that was circulating almost exclusively among gay men is pretty fucking stupid.\n\nLet's rephrase that so you can see how ridiculous and cruel it sounds to the rest of us:\n\n\"expecting him to take a big interest in a disease that was circulating among Americans is pretty fucking stupid.\"",
"Thanks for the link. This is very informative!",
"Surprised you didn't use Larry Kramer's scathing letter directed at the government and Fauci. Our understanding of things change as we gather more information and hardly anyone knew much about AIDS in the 80's. Hardly anyone working for the government or among the general public gave two shits about AIDS in the 80's. I think you need to read into it a bit more.\n\n\\*Edit: That article is from 1983 and you need a subscription to read it in it's entirety so I'm not sure what you want me to do with that. You're also vague in what, if anything you're trying to say nor do you bother explaining the relevance of this article in relation to the comment I responded to.\n\nNice ninja edit by the way. Again I don't have a subscription in order to view the article I first referenced as opinion since that's what it is so I can't read it in it's entirety either. I'm thinking neither of you do either but you think it helps make a point that none of you have clearly stated and/or backed up. At no point did I suggest that op-eds can't contain factual information. You pulled that out of thin air. It does mean that the article is just one persons opinion of their interpretation of a set of events.\n\nI can surmise from the two paragraphs that are free to read in the WSJ article that the author is trying to establish a case that Fauci is an alarmist and fear mongers instead of following the science. Did the AIDS epidemic get as bad as predicted? No. Did we finally address the issue and mitigate the damage it could do? Yes. So it's really hard to say whether these warnings were justified or accurate since people took action and thereby negating the previous predictions.\n\nIt's a lot easier to ignore all the work undertaken in order to lessen the impact of a pandemic in order to call people alarmists than it is to understand how well these mitigating factors worked and how effective they actually were.",
"Ah..the Christopher Nolan reboot of Idiocracy. I wish I lived in the Mike Judge version.",
"Wow, just replace Black Panthers with Women that's straight out of Bojack Horseman.",
"Fauci was a main architect of our disastrous AIDS response",
"Yeah, it's reasonable if you're a total jackass. If you're realistic and actually give a shit about helping people, you focus on things that actually can help.",
"I was gonna say, you had me going in the first half. I think Trump advocated for all of those things, right? But his style was egregiously tacky while doing so. In any event, glad you realized they were lies.",
"Main difference between Trump and Reagan is Reagan at least tried to be polite in front of cameras and didn't say the quiet parts out loud, at least in public. He was acting the entire time.\n\n[https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/us/politics/ronald-reagan-richard-nixon-racist.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/31/us/politics/ronald-reagan-richard-nixon-racist.html)",
"those were different times back then and people use to talk a lot more blunt and less politically correct then today.",
"I mean the only demographic that seems to like him are boomers. That doesn't mean all do.",
"STDs are definitely more of a personal responsibility issue. Not sure why they blame Reagan for the aids spared.",
"Let’s just say almost 40.",
"Gotta wait a tick on that one. Mental Asylums we're a huge hotbed topic in the era. People WANTED the asylums to close and the residents released. They wanted the outlawing of forcing people to stay in an asylum without committing a crime. If you were a mental patient that's been held against your will your whole life and suddenly you can leave. You are going to leave. That's exactly what they did. Whether they were equipped to do so or not. Many weren't kicked out. They left. The government was still closing asylums up until 2008. Been a whole bunch of Presidents that could have stopped it.",
"If we had treated HIV the way that certain people today want to treat covid, you would see every gay club or even bar completely shut down to just save even one life. Cops would be checking people to make sure they have condoms, and you wouldn't be allowed out in public on dates unless you could prove that you were married or in a committed relationship to that person, so save just one life. There would be calls to treat all homosexuals as perias even more than they already were, because they were the one spreading the disease and so it was all their fault. We would have a subreddit dedicated to laughing at people with HIV, perhaps calling it /r/FreddyMercuryAwards and gleefully laughing at their deaths because it serves them right for either being gay or not using a condom or having sex at all or doing IV drugs. \n\nThe funniest part about this to me, is the much revered doctor Fauci (at the start of the pandemic before I knew better I was actually very impressed with his pedigree as well) who many people seem to treat as an almost religious figure, was also responsible for completely bungling the response to HIV under the Reagan administration, and one of his papers that was irresponsibly published as a case report without sufficient evidence, started the belief that HIV could be spread through normal contact with infected people possibly by air, greatly accelerating the stigmatization of homosexuals and patients with HIV at the start of the pandemic.\n\nWell Trump has a lot of the same populist Reagan energy, at the surface level with his base, in terms of policy he is practically in 1980s era Democrat and one of the biggest reasons for his popularity among those who are not maga hat wearers, and likely the reason for the grandmal seizure among the pundit class, is that his policies reflect a complete 180 on the neoconservative neocapitalist globalism started by Reagan and carried forward by every president since be it Clinton Bush or Obama.",
"Hello, so how come things are getting worst and worst in all major US cities. Even though all major US cities are ran by liberal leadership?",
"It's incredible.",
"Get a grip on your life man, whole post is about stop spreading hatred and here you are already, more important things in the world then to constantly resorting to spewing negative things out your mouth but I digress its what I read, youre correct I didn't live through him but everyone is so biased in their own opinion its impossible to get full truths ever so I analyze what I see & hear.",
"Conservative people are the worst.",
"How I wish those days never left.",
"No worries, I'm sure there is more than enough evidence out their. The point I was making is it's not in this video so we probably shouldn't be jumping to rip the heads off people asking questions.",
"> MAJORITY OF THAT WEALTH IS CONCENTRATED IN THE HANDS OF THE TOP 10%.\n\nDoesn't change the fact that that wealth trickles down.\n\nI think your misconceptions is that ALL WEALTH trickle down, no fam. \n\nWorldwide wealth has been trickling down because of neoliberal economics so much that extreme poverty is getting extinguished worldwide.\n\n> Not to mention most of that wealth generated over the past 40 years has been done on the back of debt spending, not genuine savings and investment. That's why our national debt is now approaching $30 TRILLION. \n\nI'm not gonna sit down and write you an essay explaining on why debts isn't some sort of boogeyman.\n\n> Please go back to school and learn something.\n\nI have a degree in economics.",
"The person to which I responded argued that \" while other western countries were throwing the kitchen sink into research and treatment. He left office after seven years of doing nothing about AIDS.\"\n\nThis is clearly false. \n\nYou don't care but there might be objective individuals here and I provided the link so they could have a fuller understanding of the issue than they would get by watching a biased Vanity Fair video.",
"Not taking a side in the argument. Just taking issue with your absurd implication that an opinion article in the Wall Street Journal can’t be used as supporting evidence.",
"It sounds like you have no idea how Alzheimer's works. Shame on you.",
"You’re right. You don’t know much about the history of this. Too bad there isn’t an information system that could provide education in seconds of requesting it.",
"If you have a degree in economics them ask for your money back, because you got ripped off. I'll see your degree and raise you having been an owner of multiple businesses. And at no time did I ever expand hiring or increase wages because I got a tax cut from the government. You know when I did? WHEN DEMAND INCREASED FROM CUSTOMERS.\n\nWe live in a demand side world not a supply side one. Look no further than the massive jolt the economy got when the government put money directly into the hands of the lower and middle class with the stimulus checks during the pandemic. Not only did the economy come roaring back, it's actually caused it to overheat to the point that inflation is now raging because consumer demand, not businesses, are driving it upward.\n\nThat's not to say that there is ZERO effect of the wealthy spending more as they get wealthy, but it is positively dwarfed by that of the lower and middle classes, and you know why? Because those classes spend way more of their incomes than the wealthy do, who predominantly save or invest their wealth instead of spend it in the economy.\n\nSo yeah, go back and tell your econ professor he failed.",
"Isn't that just a strawman? I'm not claiming Clinton bad. I'm saying that people who like Clinton have selective history and choose to focus on the positive things he did rather than the negative things he did.\n\nJust on the selective history. It was George W Bush and not Clinton who enacted civil unions. Instead a person would focus on Bush's opposition to gay marriage (but not Clinton's or Obama's?).\n\nThese are mixed bags of people. People who LIKED Reagan liked him for highly specific things, they plug their ears and pretend like all the bad stuff never happened. The true is same of people who are partisanly affiliated with the other side of the aisle.",
"I remember this current time well also where people literally work hard at being willfully ignorant and hateful for the sake of hurting other people or groups.\n\nBy all means, keep it up. I’ve never seen karma miss a trail so blatant as yours.",
"That was never implied by me. The person I replied to stated that Fauci ignored another pandemic. I basically responded by implying that they didn't like to read.\n\nThey backed up their claim with an opinion article behind a paywall that clearly states that once a pandemic becomes newsworthy that science gets distorted by people thirsty for attention and power and that they fear monger instead of following the science.\n\nSo not only does that article fail to explain how Fauci ignored either pandemic, it's introductory looks like it's trying to establish the opposite; That Fauci gave it too much attention by being an alarmist.\n\nYes, opinion articles can contain facts and truths. I'm well aware and never implied otherwise despite your interpretation of my statement. My problem with using an op-ed to prove a point is that effective propaganda also contains facts and truths. It's all in the presentation and the intended purpose as to how useful the information found within actually is.\n\nOf course all of this is a moot point since the article linked by the original commenter directly contradicts the point they were trying to make. This leads me to believe that they didn't read the article they linked and that they most likely haven't done much reading on the history of the AIDS pandemic in the United States.",
"I’m not being a dick to people, it’s common sense. If you think that me voicing my opinion about this topic is “for the sake of being hurtful to groups” then you need to sit down, take a midol, and shut the fuck up.",
"You're assuming this caricature. I am not the stereotype in your head. \n\nBush tried to make gay marriage banned in the constitution. \n\nYou are muddling the waters only slightly more aptly than people who think it's super telling that Democrats were racist in 1950. \n\nMy answer in regards to how to navigate complicated historical and political waters? Defer to the minorities in question.",
"Reagan handled the AIDS pandemic the same way Trump handled the Covid pandemic allowing both crises to get much worse while allowing hundreds of thousands of preventable illnesses and obvious deaths. \nIt was not until the Summer of 1987 that he formed the “President’s Commission on the HIV Epidemic”which was charged to *investigate the AIDS Pandemic*. The committee released its funding in mid 1988. \n\nSo, no. Your source article actually shows that the funding took almost eight years to get to the level it should have been at the start. \n\nHaving lived through it up close and personal (I was in Brooklyn North Narcotics Division/OCCB), I can tell you that the sentiment was that most people and especially government agencies didn’t care because the victims were mostly gay or IV drug abusers. It wasn’t until the Wall St. heroin addicts and closeted bisexual men started bringing AIDS back to Connecticut and Long Island infecting their wives and mistresses that attitudes changed and appropriate resources were allocated for all sorts of awareness, prevention, research and development. \n\nI have a friend who received an experimental cocktail of drugs in 1988, who is still alive and well and has no trace of HIV in his system. He’s on the treatment for the rest of his life and gets screened twice a year.\n \nSo many more died that didn’t have to because of ignorance and garbage religion which is historically the number one cause for human misery and death since records have been kept.\n\nEveryone should be spiritual, but nobody really needs religion at all. And GFY.",
"Getting worse and worse? Who the hell do you think is paying for all the federal funds freeloading red states? You think red rural Americans is getting better? They’re just used to being a shithole on top of being freeloaders.",
"Thanks for proving that ignorant people like you are harmful to society and especially dangerous when in positions of authority.\n\nGFY. Again.",
"No, no. GFY for spreading what seems by all measures to be false information.",
"I agree some people just get but hurt too easily....that's what wrong with the world now...to many people think they are \"free thinkers\" but SOME do know what they are talking about....others just get pissy because they don't like the comments I agree with you soap",
"He did not hand off his presidency sort of like how RBG refused to retire under Obama.",
"For you my ignorant friend.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Commission_on_the_HIV_Epidemic#Organization\n\nhttps://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26726933/\n\nRead or just shut up.",
"Scroll up to the guy my line of attacks is directed at. I'm no assuming anything, he is the guy.\n\nEven then, all of your posts are attacking Republicans and trying to deflect attention away from Democrats. They're certainly not pointing to the topic I started (that people selectively choose details for partisan reasons and that all presidents were actually terrible people).\n\nEdit: My post is more extreme than I'd want it to be. There are very few scandal-free presidents who don't have negative attributes to them. I would say that Jimmy Carter was a better person than he ever was a president. But he sits as one of the few presidents who was a good person.",
"people are fleeing California and NY and moving into red states.\n\nThe people on welfare are all welfare voters. \n\nWelfare doesn't necessarily reduce poverty. In fact when you pay people to be poor you get more poor people.",
"Wow",
"Ya it’s heartbreaking to listen 2",
"Don't believe everything that you \"think.\" It's clearly not your thing.",
"Just wanted to point out Reagan was the first president to kind of openly embrace Evangelical Christians who tend to favor very ruthless stuff like market deregulation, anti-abortions bills that go pretty inhumane, and obviously favoring Israels apartheid state and take over of Palestine to start their endgame war. \n\nRegan was great for rich people, but his policies were utter shit for poor and middle class people who were part of unions.",
"We’re harmful to society? Last I checked, people like me aren’t supporting bad practices of STD prevention causing 1,000,000+ deaths globally every year. But I’m harmful for speaking my opinion on the matter and saying that it’s smarter to keep yourself out of a position to get infected with a deadly disease? Makes sense.",
"One could very rightly argue that 9/11 happened due to his administrations awful foreign policies which resulted in the formation of the a Taliban as well as the formation and rise of Hamas in the gaza strip.",
"Presidents exist mostly to execute US foreign policy - they're not your doctor, your priest, or your daddy.",
"Like I said. You’re ignorant. Many people acquired HIV/AIDS from a blood transfusion or having sex with a heterosexual or bisexual partner. Fuck them too, according to your rigid knuckle dragging religion, right?\n\nGet lost already. I’ve wasted so much time just trying to show you morons the failings of the skewed horse shit beliefs that counsel your every fuckup. \n\nMy God of Karma will surely tag you someday, and then you’ll know what real truth is about. Too late, but you’ll know. 😘",
"It's called the \"Freedom of Speech\" but people these days don't like that because different people have different opinions and people cry about other people opinion s.....",
"If Covid was by and large only transferred through intercourse, this might be an acceptable comparison. As it stands now, it's hilariously stupid.",
"A lot of people in the '80s believe you get HIV far more easily then through sexual intercourse alone. Covid-19 is a largely survivable disease, even among those in the at-risk demographics. HIV is an incurable death sentence, that is spread for years without any warnings or symptoms before AIDS begins to manifest. If anything I think there's more reason to overreact to HIV like we have to covid then the other way around",
"lol i love how your reasoning behind their flippant attitude toward AIDS in 1982 is \"they were too incompetent to even have it on their radar despite thousands of people dying\"",
"What they *believed* isn't really relevant when it was unproven.\n\nNot everyone who survives Covid comes through unscathed. But it's clear you really just want to push your own agenda rather than have a conversation. Have a good day, troll!",
"im objective and I think the reagan administration hid a serious health epidemic from the public by making a mockery of it in the only place the american public could receive information from the government on day to day issues at the time: the press room. And for them to make light of it misled the country to think there either was no AIDS virus or that it was something only gay people could get.. And to address your article- yes they increased research funding each year because behind closed doors they were fucking panicking like a housewife standing on a kitchen table with a mouse in the house. Don't you think we ought to know if the government is in a panic over a virus (or anything in general) that we know nothing about at the time and is spreading like crazy and killing people? sounds familiar... and we're still fighting aids to this day, so thank you reagan for ignoring a problem in its infancy stage to save face for gay-hating conservatives' votes that has probably by now costed the US hundreds of billions in healthcare costs related to aids. Those were very expensive votes.",
"Whatever you do don't blame fauci",
"Well it does matter because what we're doing about covid today is based on what we believe which might not actually be true. A lot of the long-term so-called long covid side effects have turned out to be psychosomatic, like fibromyalgia is in most cases.\n\nThis doesn't mean that I'm saying that covid isn't real, but we are going to look back in 10 or 15 years and realize that everything that we've done nearly has been a complete overreaction and that most of it had very little effect on the trajectory of the disease whatsoever. These mistakes and decisions are forgivable. Hindsight is 20/20. Others are not, and seem to be motivated more by political instinct to make policy decisions rather than anything that is related to the so-called science. What's more disturbing and less forgivable is the complete erasure of any sort of boundary between the idea of science and politics. Yes, science May inform us that if we have the police weld every single person into their apartment building and have their food delivered to them by drones for one year, there will be less communicable diseases. We could do this tomorrow, and maybe we'd not end coronavirus but we might even end the flu. Maybe we outlaw sex for an entire generation reproduce with artificial insemination until everyone that currently has HIV is dead, and then we would eliminate every single STD. It's worth it if it just saves one life right? These are obviously hyperbolic examples, but I'm taking things to an extreme to make a point. It's 2021 now. It will be 2022 in a month. We cannot run our opinions about every single thing through the Trump-bad decision matrix when he hasn't been in power for over a year now.",
"People leave and move into NY and California everyday. They’re still over crowded. \nAside from Texas no one is moving to red states, the other red states has no jobs or opportunities \nAnd if you check Texas economy it’s the blue cities that producing all the income. \nWake up, red state are nothing but a freeloading burden to America.",
"How so",
"Except he would have handed it off to his vice president, a man who went by the name of George H.W. Bush, not to a democrat due to a republican-held senate unprecedentedly waiting a potentially illegal amount of time without hearing the nomination.",
"Yeah, the press secretary saying something once would be understandable, but saying it repeatedly is another story entirely. And reagan was an open racist so...",
"> trying to deflect attention away from Democrats.\n\nNo. I'm quite fed up with your constant accusations on what I think and what I'm \"trying\" to do. It is condescending and infuriating. \n\nWhat is your general argument? Do NOT state \"I'm showing hypocrisy\". Do you have anything to actually say yourself?",
"This recording documents the viewpoints and attitudes of the time. It demonstrates how pervasive homophobia was and how that impacted the handling of a serious health crisis.\n\nWe can examine this with an apolitical lens. You're the one making it about politics.",
"It's not apolitic xD holy hell look at the comments centered around republicans vs. democrats but alright. This happens every time a post like this goes up it has no place here, too much negativity in the world why cant we ever highlight good things thats all I am getting at. Sorry if spreading positivity offended anyone.",
"Still waiting on that trickle down. Do you happen to know when it’s gonna get here?",
"So, I'm commenting again to reply to your comment edit. You're ignoring rape victims, the children of HIV+ people and more potential ways to get HIV. In the case of children it's literally government intervention in many cases that get the mother on proper antivirals inorder to prevent transmission to the child. It's things like this, supplementation of anti-viral costs, paying for HIV testing and more that prevents the spread. While you may see STDs as solely an issue of personal responsibility, it's not and it affects society. I'll say it again, to call STDs solely the fault of those who get them is pure idiocy and bigotry. Also while you claim you're not saying they deserve it, it is what you are saying (especially when you say people are being punished for their sins) and you need to take a moment to try to dispell your own cognitive dissonance in this otherwise you just look like a dumb bigot instead of just a bigot.",
">No. I'm quite fed up with your constant accusations on what I think and what I'm \"trying\" to do. It is condescending and infuriating.\n\nFunny, because that's exactly what you did to me in your second paragraph of this post. If you're tired of it, then stop being a hypocrite and accusing me of saying something I'm not.\n\nMy point isn't a point. It's an analysis of the partisan nature of politics. OP was accusing boomers of just loving Reagan and being passionately blind to his failings. I declared this isn't a problem with just boomers but all people as Democrat supporters will often overlook the faults of Clinton (sexual assault, starting the Canadian AIDS epidemic, etc) for his strengths (strongest economy in history, dotcom investments, tech investments).\n\nAll people who have their partisan slant are going to cherry pick the sort of details they're willing to discuss. Depending on who you listen to Ronald Reagan was either the best or the worst president in US history... in reality he probably was closer to average.",
"Stop huffing gas, dude. It's altering your perception of reality.\n\nAlso: Citation needed.",
"😂😂\n\nCitation needed.\n\nTrump is not secretly still president. That's a hilarious idiotic cult fever dream.",
"No surprise that ignorance loves company.",
"First off, not American.\n\nSecondly, post it here then. Let's see how real it is. Bet you won't. You'll just say \"I don't have to go look it up!\" like all the other fake news peddlers. \n\nDid you create an account today just to post this stupidity on every single comment here?",
">When was this funding enacted that Trump extended until 2023?\n\nPEPFAR was launched by George W. Bush and his wife Laura in 2003. [Source](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President%27s_Emergency_Plan_for_AIDS_Relief).\n\nHas nothing to do with St. Ronny.",
"Mmk literally didn't say Trump never did anything good, enjoy the butthurtedness and persecution complex tho :)",
"I did look. Didn't find shit.\n\nYou'd think \"Trump is still president\" would be huge international news. But apparently an article you says exists but won't even link is the only one that know this. Sure bud. Sure.",
">How do leftist Americans \n\nI'm a third generation veteran. My grandfather fought the Nazis the first time, my father flew over 6,000 hours in missions countering the Soviet Union, and I was in Germany when the Wall fell, controlling our F-16s. I'd be careful who you call 'leftist.'\n\n\\*PLONK\\*",
"I always wore a condom with your mother because she liked it in the ass mostly and I was never first in line.",
"I knew she was a Republican because your father was watching while wearing a diaper. You shouldn’t repress your gay tendencies and just be yourself. It’s 2021. Nobody cares.",
"LOl",
"You sure use a lot of words to say nothing at all or to back up your horseshit.\n\nTrump lost. Cry about it more.",
"I see I struck a nerve with you.😘",
"Closeted gay man sez what? Use your real account or is this your Grindr name?",
"Are you hitting on me? Sorry, but I’m straight. Even if I was gay, I wouldn’t go for someone as ugly as you- inside and out.",
"Sorry weirdo. I’m straight!!! I have to block you now.",
"Ignorance is bliss, so they say.",
"During the Trump era, Noam Chomsky offered up a list of historical evidence on how *every* US President, ever, was a war criminal.",
"Accurate.",
"You sound more like one of those people trying to wash history \"We need to teach and look at both sides\". Maybe its all love like you say, but sounds like the old 'game' you were talking about.\n\nThere are communities that have every right to be upset with Regan, along with every other President. I am not preaching any hate, I just think some people let rose colored glasses blind them to others problems.",
"You reek of desperation. Get a job.",
"Putin isn't a US President, which is what this thread was discussing.",
"That’s why I specified the broader scope of “world leaders” because in this hyperbole the reality is they’re all unforgivably awful but sometimes we still gotta rank either a giant douche over a turd sandwich somewhere.",
"Fair enough,Bush Sr did make a big deal out of not raising taxes. He should have said “Read my lips- the nation’s about to go bankrupt”\n\nAlso, on taxes- It’s kind of tax parkour during the Reagan Administration. It starts off with a huge cut, then packpedaling a bit on some of those changes, then changing things around constantly in both directions. The net taxation didn’t change dramatically, but certain things did- the top tax bracket plummeted from 70% to not quite 30% over the course of his administration. However, you are right that the ballooning deficit was not from slashing tax revenue and caused mostly by increasing the military budget.",
"Last time I checked the tax cuts were spent on stock buy backs, not reinvestment or job creation. So yeah, nothing trickled down. It was a crucial lie that’s been repeated endlessly for half a century by employees of billionaires to keep money flowing to billionaires instead of the working people of America. But keep spewing false talking points.",
"Couldn’t agree more with you I am a huge proponent of learning from history so we aren’t doomed to repeat it but my comment literally came from reading like 5 of the most liked comments immediately making it political lol I couldn’t give a rats ass who someone sides with I’m just done seeing everyone want to full blown kill each other over how they were raised/what they saw through their own eyes growing up to determine whether they are on red team or blue team. That’s the game I’m trying to avoid for our society I can only be optimistic.",
"I'm brainwashed because I am aware Trump is not president anymore? God damn, champ. You really need to get away from the Q anon/Mike Lindell \"news.\"",
"? What the hell are you talking about?",
"Private enterprises wanting to make a profit? \nYou think the government did the research? \nExactly how naive are you allowing yourself to be, bud?\n\nThere's a difference between the market of private and public companies reacting to someting and the government reacting to something. You seem to have completely confused the two and can't tell the difference. And I don't know how to deal with that level of... Whatever you'd like to call it. \n\nIt would have changed perceptions if your president made a point. That stuff lingers. I am not about to give you a lecture in semiotics, but it can litteraly send people to the fucking moon when they get it right.",
"You could read a wiki article and see how full of crap you are. Government agencies from the top down were working on this daily. There are movies about it, documentaries, endless news reports, and books on it.",
"You're completely denying the existance of symbolism, so there's zero point in persuing your understanding. You simply don't understand it.\n\nSink the ship all you'd like, I am not even American and I know more about your system and symbolism than you, an American, does. You refer me to fucking wikipedia and other privately produced media, as if they mean something on a state-level. \n\nIt's no wonder the world is turning it's back to you guys. A self-hating gay person is nothing new, but god damn son... Where did you put your mirror? \n\nWhen you start denying reality and phenomena in reality, I just have nothing left to say to you. \n\nYou just straight up refuse to understand out of ideological reasons. What a massive waste of rationality. Jesus Christ.\n\nYou can call it a freakout if you'd like, but I am very calm writing this out. So it's not going to be my problem when you read too much symbolism into these words, since you don't even understand how that works in the first place.\n\nTake care, you lying sack of shit :)",
"Uhuh... You really don't understand semiotics at all. Have fun",
"I think this take is interesting. But you still deny symbolism - semiotics.\n\nIt completely deflates your point. You make it sound as if you'd be willing to bathe in a septictank if enough people believed it would make the harvest better.\nEven if you didn't believe it.\n\nYou're not standing up for yourself, you're not working with the symbolic efficiency to better the situation. You just accept the efficiency. That is your fallacy, your hubris, if you'd like.",
"You’re saying private enterprises did all the work, when the facts are that the CDC (who saved their reputation with this specific work), Red Cross, and local health departments did. This is well-documented.\n\nAnd now you’re rambling on about symbolism and calling me a self-hating gay. Take your homophobia back to wherever the hell you come from.",
"That says a lot of nothing. I think most of you don’t understand the political climate of the time. Homophobia meant something far different than it does today, and even basic sexuality was controversial. \n\nFor example, the recommendation that the blood banks screen homosexuals was tossed out early on because it was just not something you could ask someone. This ended up infecting something like 80% of hemophiliacs with Factor 8. \n\nEarly on, people didn’t even believe this was something women could get. Larry Kramer, a gay activist, was shunned by his own community for suggesting that abstinence and safe sex could slow this down. \n\nSay what you will, but the early years of this were very complicated, at least the first decade.",
"That's wrong",
"Not when a terrible human being gifts the rest of us with leaving this Earth. I’m throwing an absolute rager when the orange fuck dies.",
"It actually says a whole lot.\n\nYou're even talking about it at the beginning, the symbolism sexuality itself - which everybody which has always been part of humor btw. So no, sexuality wasn't more complicated in the 80's than it was in the 50's, 60's, or 70's.\n\nBut this is besides my point.\n\nI am all for looking for a more nuanced view on things, we should always look for that. But what you're saying just sounds like you want to absolve Reagan for his faults.\nWhile a lot of people here want to blame him, you seem to not want to blame him at all.\n\n7 years is a long time not officially talking about a public tragedy. Of any kind. Putting the responsibility of public information entirely on private media companies is just a tragedy. That isn't leadership at all. No more, no less.\n\nReagan was basically campaigning with this move. \n\nThat is why I call this your hubris. You're not even suggesting that people should have used the existing symbolism to better the situation. You just accept the symbolism. \"well things where though back then, the vibe was different, so it totally cool that our government body did mostly nothing\".\nAnd mind you this is at a time of vast intetnational conflics as well. Not to mention the fall of the soviet union on the horizon.\n\nAnd in all this you claim that symbolism means nothing.\nHubris, all the way.",
"Good Lord. I’m in no way absolving Reagan, I’ve said repeatedly he should have addressed this much sooner. \n\nLet me simplify it. Homophobia back then was worse. While you had people working tirelessly on this problem, you had failings too largely due to public perception and lack of knowledge.\n\nIn the spread of AIDS, the blood banks, the gay community, the evangelicals, a whole list of things contributed. That includes the governments refusal to acknowledge it, but in spite of everything, there were many people around the world who worked on this from the start."
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"I like this dude's content but oh my fucking god this mother fucker needs to stop referring to his audience as \"absolute legends\" every fucking 30 seconds what the fuck.",
"So you’re saying I can be an absolute legend if I am his audience? Subscribed!!!",
"Instant legend.",
"That video feels a bit drawn out. Seems good for the 15 min I watched but it's so damn dry. Feels like it could be trimmed a bit",
"Can you TLDR it for me? I'm guessing it's \"The software to run the games is fine to have but ROMs are only legal to have if you have a physical copy of the game otherwise it's piracy.\"",
"Watch the video cause it has absolutely nothing to do with what you said.",
"Lol no it's the shady shit going on between a company(s?) who sets pricing and value of retro games and collectors colluding and trying to drive prices to raise profits. TLDW-ish.",
"It's about companies artificially inflating the market for collectible video games. Nothing to do with piracy.",
"I also assumed it was something about that, but the video has nothing to do with that",
"I think the reality is, any kind type of market can experience this. Especially when we are talking about an asset that is no longer produced and the aging demographic that enjoyed the product originally starts to have more and more disposable wealth.\n\nMy closest comparison is classic cars, they start off with highly desirable models always commanding the most money, and then your less well known/popular models selling for less. But eventually with age and further reduced availability, even the ones worth less 10 years ago are now commanding much more money and even when in worse condition than before. This trend is something happening well before the pandemic, before someone tries to conflate those together in regards to limited supply.",
"That's just how he addresses his community.",
"So what he's saying is that now might be the time to sell my old collectible video games instead of waiting?",
"It's annoying and cringy and in 5 years will only be cringier",
"I guess I just have a different way of looking at it because I'm not into the collecting side of vintage video games but I do still enjoy playing them and I've come across many people that feel the same way. I always tell them the same thing, download the emulator, download a rom pack with every game ever made for the system and go on Amazon and buy a USB controller for said system and enjoy.",
"Soooo it's like the high end art scam video that was posted recently?",
"reminds me of this\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiJa9diJOMk",
"Seems like a lot of trouble to go through to inflate the value of something essentially worthless. I guess anything can be art, if you can convince someone to pay a lot of money for something.",
"I feel like the same thing is happening in the trading card market. Specifically pokemon.",
"Perhaps of you're holding onto wata rated games and you want to dump your stuff before the price implodes. Normal collectibles are already being dumped right now because people who need the cash for rent and stuff are selling because of covid. Items that used to maybe come up once a year are now monthly items on ebay. I've bought lots of old PC big boxes I've been looking for for years like Death Rally, the WTC box for Red Alert 2 and Duke Nukem 3D. Just need to find Armageddons Blade and and I'm almost considering my collection to be complete.",
"Same thing happens to a group of specific magic cards called the \"reserve list\" that Wizards of the Coast has promised to never reprint. They are a limited quantity, their value only goes up. Cards on it that were $60 5 years ago are $200 now.",
"It's also a problem for the market in Japan. You have people coming over from western countries - buying up what they can find in the large secondhand game market they have there and taking the games and consoles out of the country never to return.",
"This is definitely not about playing the games, just like coin collecting is not about spending the coins, or card collecting about playing the cards.\n\nBut I'm with you in thinking this is all strange. I honestly don't know how to put into words what I think about collectors. They strange people. This is a strange thing.",
"That's how all collecting work, but it's different from what is happening here. It's one thing for things to appreciate in value as time goes on; it's another thing to buy a bunch of collectibles, start a collectible grading company, grade your own collectibles as 10/10, then sell your collectibles to yourself for a record-breaking price and say \"this is worth *record breaking price*.\"",
"You've described a majority of YouTube videos.",
"The Philip DeFranco show does a milder version of this that annoys me too. \"You, sweet sweet beautiful bastards.\"",
"Same with this comment.",
"I want to know who owns the fractional shares speculation company, because it sounds like that could be a big source of buyers. My bet, its someone who's name has already been mentioned in one of these two videos.",
"There is just something more magical playing an old SNES game on the console itself man",
"Exactly. This is brazen (and potentially illegal) market manipulation at work. This isn't a natural rise in prices due to scarcity, demand, etc., it's an artificial bubble created by a small group of investors who are making money hand over fist through their manipulation.",
"50 mins? O_o",
"Lol what, the subject of the video isn't political, just because it discusses federal laws doesn't make it a political video.\n\nWhat a ridiculous thing to say.",
"Fortunately cheap ROM hack carts exist for those of us who want to play on our old consoles but don't care about playing a real copy from the 90s",
"The purpose of the video is an attempt to expose a private company and their actions that the creator of the video believes is against US law when it comes to video game appraisal and auctioning.\n\nThat is not political, the arguments used in the video to try and prove this with evidence and discussions of laws does not change the purpose / subject of the video. The video is not discussing a political party or figure, nor is it discussing anything that could be considered of partisan nature (ie left/right leaning sensitive topics).\n\nBy your logic, any video that even broaches the topic of something that could be considered a criminal act in any country shouldn't be allowed. No matter what the actual subject of the video in question is. This would make a huge portion of videos on this subreddit against the rules.\n\nSorry but your argument really doesn't make sense.",
"> This trend is something happening well before the pandemic\n\nYea no shit, if you'd watch the videos you'd see the guy behind this already got convicted for crimes, doing the same thing with coins, in the 80s.",
"Karl Jobst is a tool.",
"I mean does anyone also PLAY the game? At least in Magic the majority are players, not collectors.",
"Yea I get that, I guess it's just how much you want to pay for that privilege.",
"Wasn't he caught saying a bunch of racist shit recently?",
"This comment was written using a device connected to a network subsidized by the government, which is comprised of politicians, thus making this comment political. Pls remove thank you.",
"Right? I'll see some local Pokémon players complain on FB that the LGSs here don't support enough events and favor Magic players, but when I look at the pics from either events the Magic ones have 40-80 players, the Pokémon event might have 10 on a good day.",
"It used to not be very much when I started in 2011. Now I’ve since stopped",
"Ok you're just trolling at this point lol.\n\nI expect you to find every single video about true crime posted on this subreddit if it dares to even suggest the perpetrator is a \"serial killer\" or \"guilty of murder\" since that's based on our rule of law and is of an opinion those laws are just and correct... Pure political BS that is not allowed am I right?\n\nLol!",
"Why are you replying to me again? \n\nYou have thousands, maybe tens of thousands of videos to report that by your logic violate the political rules! You must report anything that could even be considered related to law & crime!!!",
"People play pokemon. I actually went to an LGS yesterday and there was a table of 5 or 6 people playing, and then 2 people came in while I was there and bought pokemon stuff."
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The Retro Video Game Scam Gets Worse... | Karl Jobst Investigation into the Retro Gaming price manipulation market.
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"UHF.....Such an underrated movie!",
"It was released in theaters the same weekend as Tim Burton’s BATMAN. It did not stand a chance at the box office. UHF is still a great movie.",
"All will fall to the mighty, Tim Burton Batman.",
"One of my favorites. Weird Al is king",
"Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, Ghostbusters 2, Honey I Shrunk the Kids, and Lethal Weapon 2 didn't help much either.\n\nEDIT: Oh and Do The Right Thing. Damn, 1989.",
"I’d forgotten those were also released around the same time.",
"Came here an hour after that other thread with the \"I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not gonna take this anymore\" clip. Two classics, obviously.",
"\"In MY day you'd have a MOP stuck up your ass!\"",
"is that kramer??",
"Yes, that is Michael Richards just before he played Cosmo Kramer.",
"I thought that was Brad Dourif next to Al, but I guess it’s Anthony Geary…"
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This was my high school yearbook quote. Truly inspirational.
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"Are the tabs for this available anywhere?",
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-16NT6LJzP8",
"Well, my afternoon just got a whole lot more fun! Thanks!"
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"Holy shit that's crazy.",
"It looks like a pretty big budget campaign! I wonder how they're judging its success.",
"Wandervision knew the camera didn't start zooming in and out until 2000s"
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Energizer just launched a 90s Sitcom on YouTube
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"Das some mad dedication! Props to you dudes",
"That's beautiful!",
"Jesus, it's horrible. I love it",
"To be fair, it looks like they barely did. I get more fanfare from the crickets when I jerk off in the woods.",
"That's evil.",
"Ok so I wonder how long each tick is because the ticks increased their gain quickly but still a lot of respect for completing a task as such.\n\nEdit: The more I watched it the more I really appreciated the intricacy you can see how it makes sense within the games physics and mechanics and yea time had to be sped up for the last hurdle. \n\nI never played this game before but you can tell you can only build within the lighter boxed area. Incredible to see an unwinding structure sutured to itself weigh itself down to complete that puzzle.",
"As a programmer I wouldn't have even bothered to design the puzzle. I would have just stolen someone else's open source puzzle, made a couple of minor tweaks, then spent the rest of the day on reddit.",
"The video was sped up at points because it takes a long time for the pieces at the top to move to the right positions.",
"That's kind of interesting, whats the process like, to begin solving this kind of stuff? Does it involve a lot of math? Or is it mostly trial and error?",
"That's amazing. I was obsessed with Fantastic Contraption way back in the day.",
"This is the greatest thing i have ever seen ever.",
"As a coder I wouldn't have even bothered to design the puzzle. I would have just stolen someone else's open source puzzle, made a couple of small tweaks, then spent the rest of the day online.",
"I just watched a documentary on the Beatles making an album and now I want a documentary of you guys solving this puzzle."
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"I'm surprised how well he made that flow throughout the whole song. Well done.",
"Thank you, I'm pleased that you appreciated it!",
"This is outstanding.",
"Truly great work my dude",
"Very tight. Well done!",
"Very good. This is quality youtube and your writing (not to mention singing) was impressive. \n\nI hope you are proud of this, you should be!",
"oh that was awesome! I hope this dude is a teacher.",
"Excellent!",
"God Rest Ye, Merry Gentlemen??",
"Those are astonishingly clever lyrics."
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"LOL I have a picture of me that’s almost identical to that guy. Taser training pre deployment in the Army. I still have the burn scars on my shoulder and hip where the contacts were touching my skin. Seriously the most painful five seconds of my life.",
"Cops should go through this",
"Let’s extend the rule to the training before getting a gun. They should be shot in a non lethal body part before being allowed to carry a gun. Seems reasonable to me.",
"Youre not a reasonable person then.",
"They do. Same with pepper spray.",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper_spray_incident\n\n\"In October 2013, a judge ruled that Lt. John Pike, the lead pepper sprayer, would be paid $38,000 in worker's compensation benefits, to compensate for \"[the] suffering he experienced after the incident\". Apart from the worker's compensation award, he retained his retirement credits. The three dozen student demonstrators, meanwhile, were collectively awarded US$1 million by UC Davis in a settlement from a federal lawsuit, with each pepper-sprayed student receiving $30,000 individually.[6]\"\n\ncommit some crime and get paid to do it... nice",
"> They should be shot in a **non lethal body part**\n\nWhere did you get your medical degree?"
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Before marines could carry a taser, they have to be tasered to be aware of how it affects people. US Marines taser training.
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"This was one of the strangest mashups of artists I've ever seen. Love the exposure JD and Domi got though, now they need to come out with a damn album already",
"strange? The voice of Ariane Grande is very suited to this genre IMO.",
"yeah strange probably isn't the right word, I suppose strange in the sense of varying degrees of popularity.",
"I love this song I just added it to my Spotify playlist. Thank OP for this amazing find",
"Yeah, I feel that, very wide spectrum of popularity here, happy it happened tho",
"It's one of my favorites, happy to share",
"I have your answer: they are friends apparently. Explains that",
"Are they even making music together any more? It’s been almost a year since they’ve posted anything on YouTube....",
"Someone give me something that sounds good please so I can cleanse my auditory senses after hearing that monstrosity.",
"https://youtu.be/Aiay8I5IPB8",
"Hope you're having a nice day",
"They're writing for other artist, not sure if they're working on a record or not tho",
"🤣🤣🤣"
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"Lidar is pretty bright, but infrared cameras are also set to high sensitivity at night. \nDuring the day Infrared from the sun is several magnitudes brighter than that.",
"How of this will affect nocturnal animals?",
"Totally a guess but: Negatively but not as negatively as street lights.",
"Which ones see infrared?",
"Are bugs attracted to infrared lights like they are to normal street lights?",
"AFAIK only some snakes, amphibians and bats. But I'm no zoologist.\n\nI know mosquitos can though, so perhaps there's a different kind of business opportunity here.",
"What happens when the street is full of these, with all their LIDAR crosstalking.",
"That’s actually a good question that I’ve never really thought about. I too wonder what will happen.",
"Bullfrogs",
"Sonar hasn’t been good for aquatic animals and while that’s a different system, it’s effects could be similar. And when you think about how many more vehicles there will be in land with these systems…yikes.",
"Shut up about the Sun! SHUT UP ABOUT THE SUN!!!",
"LIDAR units look for specific photon reflection(s). Turns out LIDAR crosstalk isn’t an issue.\nSource: me, (retired) FAANG autonomous vehicle hardware architect.",
"Is it MAANG now?",
"[copyright lego inc.](https://duckduckgo.com/?q=lego+light+and+sound&t=ffab&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fbricksfanz.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2018%2F11%2F6450-1.jpg)",
"it's ma'am",
"Many invertebrates and vertebrates see infrared to varying degrees. This is will not be great for them, but it shouldn't be a huge concern for now. Light pollution from our homes, cars, buildings, and light posts are a much bigger problem.",
"Black hole sun\n\nWon't you come\n\nAnd wash away the rain?",
"That's my most hated Music Video. It's just...why.\n\nedit: I get this is a touchstone song of my generation, but the video is just creepy. I feel like it's a challenge when I'm reminded of it to somehow not think about the people's faces the next time I'm tripping.",
"It’s 93 million miles away",
"It goes with the theme of the song",
"Good. Fuck mosquitoes.",
"I love the fear mongering title. \"Electromagnetic Radiation!\" the autonomous vehicles are actually cancer spreading death machines sent out by the lizard people!",
"> LIDAR units look for specific photon reflection(s).\n\nIs that based on different frequencies to differentiate the photons? I would have guessed that each signal has their own encoding, like a barcode. No idea, though.",
"Man, won’t somebody think of the hawks this will absolutely blind as they fly over?",
"The Sun sucks.\n\nHeh heh. Yeah sucks. Heh heh\n\n(from Beavis and Butthead Do America)",
"Does infrared hurt eyeballs even tho we cant see it if it is intense enough",
"A great song that lasted, oh..... about 1,000 measures too long. More repetitive than lyrics on a lil pump song",
"MANGA",
"The sun emits infrared thousands of times more than this ever could.\nYou'll be fine",
"I hope they all go blind",
"I hadn't thought about this, but poor infrared vision animals.",
"the sun is trying to kill me",
"They travel with 5G too!",
"Well you don’t see it unless you have a camera that does. Otherwise it’s like using your remote control.",
"At night? Where do you live where hawks are flying close to urban street at night?",
"You're only seeing that because the camera picks up infrared. Your eyes wouldn't see any of it",
"That scene kills me every single time.",
"Anime",
"A quick google search says that some bugs like mosquitos and bedbugs are able to see in the infrared spectrum and use that to identify body heat (prey).\n\nEdit: As others have pointed out, the infrared spectrum is big. LIDAR operates in the near-IR which is likely not what bugs are sensing.",
"In short, yes. \n\nLots of animals are sensitive to Infrared.",
"It truly is just a flash of coherent light at a specific wavelength (eye safety is an important factor). All units of same make/model use same wavelength. Fun fact - Lidar distance limitations derive from pulse repetition rate… a single blip is sent, reflections do (or don’t…) return, and then the next blip goes out.",
"Vision-only is a terrible idea IMO. You want as many means of detecting distance, surfaces, etc. as possible.",
"We fucking yup so many animals that can see that shit. Imagine what it would be like to see this one day and wonder what it was.",
"Some dumbass doesn't understand that all light is electromagnetic radiation.\n\n\nOh no the radiation ooooOoooooooo",
"another reason why self-driving tech needs to be all camera, no radar (per Elon Musk)",
"I mean. I didn’t consult an ornithologist before making a stupid joke on the Internet. My bad.",
"Oh get out skeleton man!",
"They suck.",
"I mistook your wit for ignorance and I'm the fool for it lol cheers",
"Speak for yourself, I got a surgical shine job when I was in Butcher Bay.",
"The wavelength of heat type infrared light is not the same as infrared used for things like lidar.",
"Sometimes as I drive around SF these days, the only cars around me are Waymo cars! They're everywhere.",
"That's a different type of infrared (much longer wavelength).\n\nI would assume that these insects use specialised organs to detect thermal IR, and it's unlikely their eyes can detect it.\n\nThey might be able to see the near-infrared used by LIDAR, though.",
"Fear mongering? This is clearly the personal channel of some guy posting what he thought was an interesting video he captured, probably to share with friends. He's posted 4 videos in the last decade, does that sound like someone \\*trying\\* to garner attention? There are are people out there with a vested interest in keeping you mad, maybe focus on that instead.",
"Wait til they hear about wifi signals",
"Human vision also causes a lot of automobile accidents per year, so having extra detection measures seems like it can only be a good thing",
"congrats on your RSUs",
"And yet a guy died in his tesla after it hit a stationary animal on the road.",
"One day, conspiracy nuts will pick this up when they run out of Covid, 5G and election fraud stuff.",
"Or inescapable GPS signals anywhere you go on the surface of the earth.",
"Yes. According to my security cam that has infrared but no visible spectrum lamp. \n\nI have to sweep the spiders off of it because other bugs fly around that spot constantly at night.",
"Won't someone think of the dwarves?",
"They're not really seeing, its more like they're very sensitive at telling when their local environment is warmer, signifying warm blooded prey is near. Its similar to how you can tell if your hand is in the sun or shade, but more sensitive. \n\nObjects like eyes aren't really able to see in the far infrared, because natural lense materials are opaque at those regions, and emitting its own radiation anyway. The only animal known to have some limited capability is the Pit Viper which has a pair of pit eye structures that are extremely heat sensitive. But pit eyes are a primitive form of eye and only really give direction and magnitude information, and can't be focused into an image.\n\nAlso, the car in the video is emitting near-infrared light, whereas the blackbody radiation that is emitted by things that we consider 'thermal vision' is mostly far-infrared. The wavelength of radiation an object(yourself included) emits depends on their temperature. For something to emit visible light, they need to be up near 2000-2500k. Near infrared like that cars LIDARS, like 1500-2000k.",
"I wonder to what extent several of these cars self-driving in close proximity to each other would interfere with each other?",
"It's like watching Face ID on a baby monitor... but rave edition.",
"These LIDARS are *waaaaay* dimmer than the cars headlights.",
"I'm seeing waymo of that too -- what's going on?",
"Near infrared like this lidar is not the same thing as far infrared used for thermal vision. \n\nMany animals can see slightly further into the near infrared. I believe certain types of lense replacements can make humans slightly sensitive to the near infrared too.",
"There's a rather wide distinction between near infrared and far infrared. Not much sees in near infrared.",
"My radar detector love that shit.",
"Isn't it the rain that does the washing away? I never got that line.",
"My Valentine 1 is going to explode, that’s what.",
"Water can't make water dry.",
"Or radio waves",
"Where does it say anything negative about it?",
"Thanks! They were a big part of why i no longer work ;)",
"Holy shit dude that's gonna give a cat a seizure",
"There’s plenty of high powered radars on there too you can’t even see",
"Accept it that it isn’t some sorr of magical software thats the ultimate in self driving, its beta shit at best.",
"Why are comments turned off on it? Why does it have that specific title? And on a channel with basically zero other content. \n\nTotally not a conspiracy nut like the dozens of other videos like this I've seen.",
"The title of the video on YouTube is a bit loaded.",
"Butterflies, various birds as well",
"Even if it is a separate organ it is till probably layered into their visual senses. That's how it works for snakes.",
"So we're safe for quite a while then.",
"infrared is a very wide spectrum. I guarantee you that these cars are not using a lidar system that would get thrown off anytime they drove by something hot.",
"No the rain just washes away all the pain of yesterday.",
"I trust the title. No downvotes and 43 people liked it.",
"Sounds like you're digging too far into those videos and may becoming the very thing you're mocking.",
"I mean, posting to youtube is generally trying to garner attention. Especially with a clickbait title like that.",
"Soon there will be so many your radar detector will be useless.",
"Once you click on one that gets suggested YouTube algorithm pops it all up.\n\nIt's fucking hilarious to see someone with a bunch of copper pipes in the ground breaking up chemtrails because look there's a clear spot in the sky lol",
"And as everyone knows, no human driver has ever caused a crash.",
"FaceID has been splooging rads all over us since the iPhone X.\n\n*Sent from my iPhone X.*",
"👈😎👈",
"or anything sold in or might be sold to Californians",
"And that’s why it looks so small.",
"That’s Covid.",
"It's literally just describing what is going on....and you decided to call them a dumbass because of it...",
"I don’t deny you can do impressive things with only visual data. But it can be hard to distinguish between similarly-colored objects, objects that are from a strange perspective, or objects in low-light without depth-sensing technology like LIDAR.",
"The videos that pop up for me when I open this in youtube are all related to things I've searched for or clicked on. I don't have any conspiracy videos show up when I click on this video. Just a couple other Waymo videos, plus some drum videos, some other random shit. Conspiracy videos are showing up for you because you've been searching for them, and now you think there's a conspiracy related to this video.",
"I didn't call him a dumbass. But now I am pretty sure you are one.",
"hey.... check it out",
"I never said it was this video that had those suggestions pop up, but again, why else would it be titled like this and have comments turned off? \n\nI haven't had conspiracy videos pop up for fucking months, but they all have a pretty similar format.\n\nThe way it was posted by op here makes sense for a title, but conspiracy nuts love to jump on \"oh new tech puts off radiation\".",
"Yeah, it was the most dreadful song to get through on Rock Band because it's just so boring.",
"It's the only way your videos will get seen thanks to the algorithm.",
">Why are comments turned off on it?\n\nBecause it's the only one that has blown up. They clearly didn't expect it to get thus many views, and didn't want to deal with thousands of notifications. \n\n>Why does it have that specific title?\n\nIt's literally just describing what you are watching...\n\n>And on a channel with basically zero other content. \n\n?do you really not post videos on your YouTube to share with friends/family? I thought this was common...\n\n>Totally not a conspiracy nut like the dozens of other videos like this I've seen. \n\nIf anyone is a conspiracy nut, it's you.",
"Lol, what a fucking moron, I'm done with this. Good job trying to throw it back at me for some reason? Oh look this guy thinks conspiracy nuts are nuts he must be one.\n\nTry some sensible thinking for once lmao.",
"Careful, you'll be labelled as a conspiracy nut too if you point out the dumb ass title.",
"If you think the title is clickbait, that's on you. This just seems like an old person that figured out how to post a video.",
"Dude, think for a second here; 4 videos in 10 years. Go check the dude's videos yourself. The last video he posted is \"Christopher's thanksgiving 2016\" and it's a 1 min video about his son on a hoverboard with 15 views, one from myself. \n\nIt's just a dude posting videos to youtube for his friends and family.\n\nNot every single person posting videos on youtube is a \"content creator\".",
"They tend to have a flash for the purpose of not being defeated by invisble beams of infrared fucking them up. Lasers on the other hand, get a powerful enough one, fuck it up permenantly.",
"Literally all light is electromagnetic radiation. So...light bulbs?",
"self-driving cars are sending out gay cancer rays that turn your balls into 300 genders",
"you mean besides car headlights, street lights, lights from your house, christmas lights, etc.?",
"Those poor frogs",
"Clickbait? Infrared literally is electromagnetic radiation, is a scientific term. \n\nI think you've been on the popular side of the internet more than you've been on the youtube channels of unknown individuals who know their scientific terminology. The vast majority of people really aren't interested in becoming famous or going viral, you just don't hear about them because they're not interested in becoming famous or going viral. That is, untill their tiny youtube video gets posted on reddit and people start calling their unremarkable title 'clickbait' because they're so used to only seeing people who are interested in becoming famous or going viral.",
"Radar detectors have been nearly useless ever since police switched almost exclusively to pop-radar.",
"That's a good number",
"It’s the same thing (to a much higher degree) as If the sun came out when the night mode was on that camera",
"What do you mean it uses the same frequency as my microwave!?",
"You realize street lamps, housing lights, and car headlights have been a thing for quite a while, right?",
"cats can't see infrared. neither can you",
"Cities have millions of different lights flashing, and staying on all night long. I don't think adding one more to a vehicle that already has bright lights is going to tip the scales of anything significant",
"hmmm. Im sitting 5 ft away from a 2 watt blue handheld laser. My city has 1 red light camera intersection. I wonder if the glass in front of the lens is coated at all to prevent something like a laser burning it out.",
"while you're at it turn off your headlight, too",
"Yeah, but nobody refers to IR light as \"electromagnetic radiation\". It's like calling water \"dihydrogen monoxide\"; yes, it's correct, but we all know there's another reason for calling it that.",
"Yesterday ... all my troubles seemed so far away ...",
"I get these all the time on my cameras. Unfortunately I've had to go through a lot of nighttime footage lately.",
"don't sweep away the spiders -- they will eat the bugs",
"i guess we should be glad our eyes see that narrow band.. sure there are cases where seeing UV or IR would be kinda cool but especially with IR life would just be obnoxious.",
"If you stare long enough at it, you won’t see anything at all",
"As somebody who actually worked on Waymo cars, no. Camera-only is a death sentence, because it relies on AI \"assuming\" its depth perception based on comparing two frames of video against each other. This leaves a LOT of room for error. LIDAR lets the car build a 360 degree depth map at all times. The car doesn't need to know *what* the object in front of it is, it just needs to know that there's something there, and to not drive into it.\n\nOptical sensors are great for picking up road signs and the like, which are still necessary for true self-driving capabilities. However you'll never have a fully competent depth map from an optical camera array, alone.",
"What's that?",
"During the day your pupils are constricted due to the bright visible light. What happens at night if you encounter this while your pupils are dilated due to the darkness? I'm sure from the frontward direction it will be fine due to the headlights, but what about if you encounter this from the side? Hopefully they have already thought of this and safe brightness levels are already set.",
"Surprisingly I did know that. I feel smart. \n\nI was thinking more about how this is looked like an intense rave. Probably very confusing for anything that can see it.",
"LIDAR doesn't set off RADAR detectors. Also, the RADAR used in cars for object sensing is on a different band than the RADAR used by police and still shouldn't be interfering with your detector.",
"Can you dull it down a shade for me",
"Neat. That's encouraging.",
"> A nuclear fusion reactor large enough to disintegrate the Earth blinded me with radiation reemitted from a store of dihydrogen monoxide large enough to destroy America.\n\nWhat? I'm just literally describing watching a pretty sunset over the ocean!!",
"Science can sometimes be mistaken for fear mongering as they like to use accurate terminology as well. It is unfortunately that colloquially \"radiation\" is equated with bad. Without solar radiation we wouldnt be here. Without gravitational radiation we wouldnt be detecting the merger of black holes.",
"Who loves the sun?\r \nWho cares that it makes plants grow?\r \nWho cares what it does\r \nSince you broke my heart?",
"What is truly insane about the LiDAR WAYMO uses is the sheer distance it can see. I am talking about blocks away, through windowed buildings and thick brush. These vehicles can accurately predict if someone 3 blocks away could potentially be on a trajectory path with you. They can pick up things like dogs and tiny balls rolling into the street. To anyone who thinks this technology is unsafe, I can assure it is magnitudes safer than any human driver could ever be. It is the future.",
"Guy posted 4 videos in ten years. The other reason for calling it that is simply because he was thinking in scientific terms when posting the video for his friends and family. I see how it can read poorly but that is obviously not the intent. Reddit projecting that onto someone just wanting to share an EM phenomenon is rude.",
"Hey I'm sitting in one of those cars right now!",
"Ha revenue cameras, never heard that before. TIL.",
"Its not clickbait, it's an accurate scientific term, that is normally not used colloquially. There is no agenda i can see in the video. No claims the waves are harmful, nothing but a display on what you could see if you could see IR. he wither works in science, tech or is currently still in college and still remembers what they taught you in physics class.\n\nIts not clickbait, its not fear mongering, its just a term written in a scientific fashion rather than colloquially where we would just drop the electromagnetic radiation and leave the rest but thats because we are lazy",
"Do you mean like with regard to light wave interference?",
"And covid 19 spreaders",
"I was told you would never see anything else ...",
"SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN TH",
"Wonder if this will affect wildlife and insects.",
"The yellow one is the Sun.",
"lidar doesnt work in rain or snow or at altitudes above 2000m and is affected by the sun, cameras and AI work in these conditions but a lot harder to get right, once the ai get trained enough cameras are better than human",
"Sad, I was already imaging a Floridian Waymo running at high speed on the highway, followed by a horde of mosquitoes, themselves followed by hordes of bats and mosquito eating insects... Maybe I should sleep :)",
"Threat level, midnight.",
"> All units of same make/model use same wavelength.\n\nHow can two cars of the same model not contaminate each other then?",
"Ban Infrared Spectrum!",
"Free silk you say?",
"How do these auto-pilot cars respond to emergency lights? What if you're a criminal trying to get away from cops? Imagine if GTA games featured self-driving cars in the future. No more car chases because cars would just pull over when it notices flashing emergency lights.",
"The emphasis is yours. Infrared is indeed electromagnetic radiation. Where's the lie?",
"the night time is the right time!\nthe night time is the right time!\nthe night time is the right time!",
"Waymo built the first Von Neumann machine confirmed.",
"[That's because moisture is the essence of wetness](https://youtu.be/j9BISHFOFXQ)",
"It’s poetry.",
"I wonder if you maybe just shouldn't run red lights.",
"Russian collusion, 9/11 is an inside job, the stuff never ends.",
"If sunsets were newer technology, I'd be interested in the science behind it as well.",
"I may or may not have just gotten a job with waymo, I can't really talk about it but their tech is fucking awesome!",
"> that is normally not used colloquially\n\nWhich is why it is clickbait.\n\nWhen someone is selling you something that shields you from the electromagnetic radiation from your 5G phone, they are not saying that to be scientifically accurate, even though it is.",
"They are able to detect emergency vehicles in the road and will yield to them and also pull over if they are behind them. Checkout waymo's site, they talk alot about how their tech works.",
"That will make a good drone strike target.",
"> Shut up about the Sun! SHUT UP ABOUT THE SUN\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-1jU7j6OWw",
"> Turns out LIDAR crosstalk isn’t an issue.\n\nNarrator: [It is](https://www.spiedigitallibrary.org/conference-proceedings-of-spie/10796/1079604/Mitigation-of-crosstalk-effects-in-multi-LiDAR-configurations/10.1117/12.2324305.short?SSO=1)",
"/r/UnexpectedOffice",
"I think you haven't spent enough time around people who hold very odd theories about what is likely to give you cancer.\n\nI would be willing to bet this person is using this term because they legitimately believe that this is something that is harmful. That's how you get people to believe your crazy theories. You use scientifically correct language to make lay people draw connections that they shouldn't because they don't understand the actual definitions.\n\nThey may not be trying to get popular, but I would happily take an even odds bet that if you were to question them, they would tell you that this radiation could potentially be dangerous and we need to worry about it.",
"All I need to live my dream of spider-silk farming is 37,000 infrared cameras?",
"We get it bro, you love Tesla",
"Oh but it does. Usually you'll see the little light on the side mirrors light up about the same time my radar detector does. Cadillac is the worst.",
"Meanwhile at Tesla: ONLY CAMERAS. RAIN/DUST/DEBRIS? TOO BAD",
"Infra-red just means \"below Red\". Visiable light is a *very narrow* band, about half of all light is in infra-red.",
"To be fair, the sun can cause radiation burns pretty quickly if you do t have protection. And cancer after years of exposure.",
"No, no oui oui.",
"If you think that’s cool. Get an anti flash jacket and walk by one while it’s recording.",
"Go do it and report back.",
"It's almost like you have to use your common sense! The horror, not my downvotes that I maybe cared about 5 times in my life up until this week and will not care about a week from now! Whatever will stop me from consuming and repeating misinformation now! The world was so perfect and now the google has removed all arbitration of truth I was capable of following and dooooomed us! Doooooomed us I say!",
"😲",
"lol I'd expect nothing less from that username, well done",
"This isn't harmful to anything VS an entire cityy full of a lights and vehicles lmao",
"Seriously, I do not know how Tesla managed to pass regulations for a camera-only system. It is extremely short sighted and dangerous, and WAY less tested than Google's tech.",
"The Predator must be having seizures.",
"> There are certainly many animals and bugs that can see infrared light.\n\nMostly not *near* IR though. Which is what this is. \n\n>Sounds to me like just one more reason why Tesla's vision only approach to solving autonomy will be superior than other companies using spinning laser technology.\n\nThat vision only work with LIGHT. This is probably dimmer and seen by far less than you would get with half of Teslas crap.",
"Many CCTV cameras with night vision are just cameras without the infrared filter layer on the sensor/lens. Instead they include a physical mechanism (cut-off) which holds two holes, one has a filter and the other doesn't. At night the filter is switched.",
"these cars are going to ruin so many pictures",
"You are internalizing insults to a company and taking it personally. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nTake it from a former company fanboy and just learn to live with what you like and not care what other people think.",
"This is the worst comparison I've ever seen. Describing what a new technology(for the general public) is nowhere near describing something literally billions of years old to be a pedantic asshole.",
"How would you describe IR light to the layperson?",
"How is that fear mongering?",
"Bout what I expect as a response from you lol.",
"Yes. By using *the light we make around them*.\n\nIt isn't actually dark, that's the whole point. Just like the waymo works in the dark.",
"Neither of them have reached Level 6 autonomy yet (you'd be seeing a LOT of bragging from whoever gets there first), so there's not really much to argue over in the meantime.",
"Having willingly listened to \"conspiracy\" radio? No. They'll never run out of it.\n\nThere was a guy who claimed he -prayed- over a surgery site, and A DEVICE was decloaked by the power of god and the device could FINALLY be removed, but he had to -constantly- pray to keep the stealth at bay....\n\nThere are people who believe if you've -EVER- had a vaccination or ANY SHOT at all, or any medical needle insertion, you were PART OF IT AND I WILL NOT TALK TO YOU *CLICK*\n\nWhy do I listen?\n\n\nBecause I hate \"pop\" music and its that or the Spanish channel.",
"Not rick rolled, thanks!",
"I mean, yea haha. I would certainly hope that the IR from the friggin SUN would be higher than from a car",
"Ok",
"> light posts are a much bigger problem.\n\nCheaper LEDs is making it even worse. I see more and more ultra bright lights going up everywhere just because LEDs are cheaper to run now.",
"Manufacturers could just add infrared filters. You can also buy them for your DSLR as attachments.",
">Cadillac is the worst.\n\nThat's radar, no production car has lidar yet.",
"What kind of radar detector do you have? It should be filtering out radar signals from cars using collision prevention radar, so I'm curious if you've got a setting to not search for that band.",
"Your comment is misinformed. Infrared as a term is a defined region. There is such a thing as below infrared (microwaves and radio waves). Also the electromagnetic spectrum is infinite so it makes no sense to say that half of the spectrum is anything.",
">>Some dumbass doesn't understand that all light is electromagnetic radiation\n>\n> Why would you lie about something we can just scroll up and see?\n\nSome dumbasses don't understand why having a title something like that is a implying something. It's like saying your food is full of chemicals and that is unsafe.\n\nAlso, some dumbasses aren't smart enough to read the user names above post to see who posted what.",
"I mean from a literal standpoint, it's wet out (from the rain) and the sun is supposed to heat up and evaporate the rain so it \"washes away\". If it wasn't about the sun, then the line would have zero meaning, but it's literally the sun comes out and takes the rain away.",
"You forgot to check the comments. They are disabled so all is good!",
"It older than radar signals from cars.",
"So if that's how it gets around, how will two or more in close proximity detect objects? I feel like the pulses would interfere with each other.",
"you dont point the infrared camera at the sun.",
"Light of a color that our eyes aren't able to detect, but a digital camera can. \n\nMost people understand what \"light\" is and what it means for something to be invisible. I think it's a simple-enough concept to convey without the need to be super technical. If anything, the technicality of it is what's misleading to the layperson in the first place.",
"I mean it could also just be the opposite",
"Infrared Rave Taxi!!!",
"Soo umm how will these light from lidar affect humans since when every car is electric I imagine we never stop getting this shit flashed at us when we out in the street",
"Because the guy you are replying to literally did not call anyone a dumbass and you’re doubling down on your accusation.\n\nPerhaps take your own advice and scroll up",
"What the fuck is that youtube video title?\n\nIt's basically an infrared light pulsing at high frequency.",
"Oof, that's probably why. Time to upgrade that mother.",
"So I might be a conspiracy nut, but... Infrared light is really good for people! That's because we're generally inside nowadays and our bodies don't get as much infrared light from the sun as historical humans did. On the other hand, flickering light can be bad for people's health, generally vision or neurological problems, [article](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4038456/).\n\nFWIW, I don't know how flickering infrared lights would affect people, but I'm pretty sure that it's good or bad or neutral.",
"That would be annoying as hell at night if I had the display setup like I currently do for street cam",
"Oh no, our balls... they're gay",
"If F=M, G=A, as Google's parent company is Alphabet.",
"Controlled environment worst-case testing showed less interference than feared but multiple mitigation strategies (e.g., modulation, sensor fusion-based derivation filtering, temporal correlation…) are in various stages of validation. To what degree these and other yet-to-be conceived/developed/announced mitigation strategies are overkill or justifiable prudence remains to be seen.",
"The 5g conspiracy nutters are gonna lose their minds when they see this",
"I’ve seen the same thing on security cameras at the bar I work at with people unlocking their phone with Face ID. Took us a little while to figure out what was going on.",
"Dumbass, he literally didn't make that quote. Dumbass.",
"I'd just listen to the Spanish channel at that point.",
"Which makes any claim about why cameras are superior due to it completely irrelevant.\n\nThis probably produces less impact.",
"Honestly, my first thought. Well, not a cat persay, but some unfortunate soul watching this.",
"[Here comes the sun](https://youtu.be/zNTaVTMoNTk).",
"Never understood why Andy let Gabe walk all over him like that.\n\nS3 Andy would not have stood for that nonsense, no matter how douchey he was.",
"That is not accurate, the new Lexus LS 500h has the first to market LIDAR sensor",
"Wow, a redditor that knows how to properly use \"you know [...], right?\".\n\nAmazing. I oftentimes make fun of people for saying it as like\n\n> You know night lights are worse.\n\nby asking how they know that someone knows the thing, or whether they're just commanding them Jedi style (\"you will let us through\"). \n\n\nBut, of course, Reddit is too uneducated to understand the joke, so they downvote because they woooosh. \n\n\nKudos for being educated.",
"No, I don't lmao. You just seem to be entirely ignorant of what people are actually *saying*. We get it, you are a Tesla fanboy that takes everything they say for pure fact and ignores actually intelligent alternatives, hence ignoring what I have been saying here.\n\nDoesn't excuse the behavior.",
"You seem genuinely unhinged and I feel like you should get off the internet and stop seeing conspiracies in nothing.",
"He seems psychotic tbh",
"If someone made a tool to burn the eyes out of mosquitos, one by one, Id spend every tedious moment doing it as much as I could.\n\nMosquitos are one species that literally do not need to exist for a functional world. They can be replaced in the food chain",
"Wait until you hear about that fact that car manufacturers have been installing large projectors on all cars for decades that just spray out electromagnetic radiation.",
"I thought it was about the sun collapsing into a black hole and subsuming the rest of the matter in our solar system, including us.",
"Yep. Threw me off when I first noticed it on my security cam for inside. Laying on the couch with my face getting flashed haha.",
"You might want to take a look at the LIDAR tech coming out over the past few years. Sun is no longer an issue, and neither is snow or rain (if anything, the new LIDAR systems can actually see through poor visibility conditions). Not sure why you even bring up the altitude problem - there's not a single >100k population city above 2000m in the entire US. It's an edge case that doesn't need to be covered immediately.",
"This is bad news for snakes with epilepsy",
"The inversion is what makes the line interesting. Cornell’s said the lyrics are mostly nonsense - it’s about a sonic picture, not about something literal.",
"Yeah it looks amazing. So many little dots when looking at it scan your face through an IR camera.",
"E SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN THE SUN TH",
">I'm an ex Tesla employee who has a very high level of understanding in just how Tesla's autonomous software works in comparison to competitors so let me stop you right there.\n\nHigh level means abstract and simplified. \n\nNice fucking job showing you know shit.\n\nJust because you are ignorant and Tesla beta tests on the public doesn't mean shit, and their irresponsibility is literally a case study in any modern navigation, machine learning, and ethics class lmao.\n\nThanks for proving my point for me",
"You sly bastard. \n\nI hope to be you someday.",
"I agree that Tesla runs fast and loose with its self-driving features, but they have a fleet of 3+ millions cars and a significant portion of those are using the features to various degrees. it's not directly comparable to Waymo's ~600 car fleet which runs in a couple of geofenced areas with almost perfect weather.\n\nit's a small miracle that Tesla with so many users has [less accidents per million miles than the average human driver](https://cdn.motor1.com/images/custom/tesla-vehicle-safety-report-q22021.png) in the US. admittedly these are self-reported by Tesla, but you can't sweep accidents under the rug when the media loves to jump on every single one and make them front page news.",
"dude, you didn't need to tell us you own tesla stock.",
"Yet another moron lol. Oh but if it's called fear mongering that guy is fine and gets all the upvotes. \n\nGod Reddit is fucking retarded.",
"It won’t - it’s not visible.",
"Are there animals that can see infrared that this would affect?",
"Seizure warning fuck me",
"What happens if every car on the road has lidar? Can these systems still work effectively? I feel like they'll be blinded by other car's lidars.",
"Looked it up. Snakes, vampire bats, goldfish, salmon, bullfrogs, and mosquitoes.",
"gotta be just total shock.",
"That's neat, actually. I noticed that on my Amcrest cams you can hear an audible \\*click* when it switches back and forth between daytime and nighttime vision. Now I know why.",
"Because of the word radiation. It's just infrared or IR light. Like what your remote uses to control your TV or cameras use at night to see (hence why it can be seen by a camera at night).",
"yes, mostly insects but normal lights (like street lights) emit much stronger infrared anyway so they have a bigger impact than this. if you're talking about flickering keep in mind that most lights flicker at 60Hz so insects already see our normal light as going on and off all the time. the lidar would be a very slow on/off cycle from their perspective. since the car is moving and the lidar is rotating (and thus the light is visible even less often to an insect flying) those cars don't do much in actually confusing or attracting any insects (insects get attracted by body-heat aka infrared but in this case the infrared is mostly off so it wouldn't act as a proper target for them)",
"Not sure but probably not. Otherwise they'd gather around the camera at night since the camera also uses IR to \"see\".",
"Eli5?",
"What is the purpose of these vehicles?\n\nWhat are they doing¿",
"*Fears of EMR from a car*\n\n*Lives under a cell phone tower*",
"/r/videos/comments/r6k2t1/waymo_self_driving_car_passing_an_infrared/hmu17tx/",
"What you're saying isn't necessarily wacky, but in this situation, I feel like you're growing some kind of reverse tin-foil hat.",
"\"Man it would be not only annoying but dangerous and damaging to have hi beams strobing in my eyes anytime I drive at night\"\n\n\"You do realize that lights already exist don't you?\"",
"shhh, stop asking logical questions",
"IIRC they do have a scene right afterwards with Andy in the parking lot having to once again work through his anger so S3 Andy's still in there looking for a wall to punch",
"Same way how IR light from TV remotes or security cameras (like the one captureing this) did - not at all.",
"They are transporting people, competing with Uber and Lyft - except no driver. Waymo is authorized to transport people with no driver between 8PM and 6AM on surface streets with a max speed of 45mph or something like that.",
"I'm no expert but our pupils doesn't constrict to thousands of times smaller.",
"Can you imagine driving around ONLY USING YOUR EYES!?!? wait...",
"So people were freaking out about body scanners that only go like a few mm deep at airports, but these things can scan through buildings and that's safe?",
"Besides, the camera also using infrared is exactly why it can \"see\" at night.",
"So you're saying it might cut down on vehicle collisions because they will be more likely to notice it?",
"Google liked it WAYMO than the other naming suggestions probably.",
"Delicate lasers spinning in 360 degrees all around the car in order to calculate distance.",
"To develop a generalized self driving car AI.\n\nThey drive on the roads (sometimes with/without a person to control it) to collect data about the things that happen while they drive. \n\nAs for the \"why?\":\n\nDriving is a very complex task where we are constantly scanning our environment and making decisions, sometimes we don't even think about the decisions we make. \n\nYou can't just tell a car to drive and not consider all the small stuff that happens, what if you get cut off, someone is driving drunk, a kid runs out into the street, its hailing, and so on. There's so many different conditions and situations that can affect driving that they need to experience as much road stuff as possible to train the AI to handle the unexpected (its learning from all the trips it takes).",
"A wild Sunless Seas reference",
"I like to think he named it that to attract overzealous commenters and then hit 'em with the \"comments disabled\" for giggles",
"Well, if this is lighting things up to get a map of the area, more lights would be better, wouldn't it? Like walking into a room with one flashlight gives you a partial view of what your beam hits, but if more people join you with their flashlights, you can all see more of the room at the same time.",
"Yikes.",
"Except my eyes are coupled to a human brain that can intelligently make decisions based on context and in the absence of perfect data.",
"Lmao you are such a joke. Absolutely pathetic shit, why bother commenting if you can't even read?",
"I think cameras, with enough data, are the future for these applications. Just my opinion.",
"regardless its impossible to ignore the fact that tesla researched into both camera and lidar tech and came up with cameras being the better option, I think it had something do with with cameras being able to read signs and uses visual refernces the same as the human eye",
"There are way more than 600",
"I owned the infamous Sony Nightshot camcorder. If you flipped the switch for nightshot during bright sunlight, the camcorder could see through some types of thin fabric. Also, some drinks turned clear as well.",
"For about 5 seconds.",
"THE YELLOW ONE IS THE SUN!",
"Liar.",
"Yeah, mang",
"Every 10 seconds the energy from the sun that hits the earth is more energy than the entire world uses in 24 hours. \n\nhttps://www.gocamsolar.com/blog/how-much-energy-does-sun-generate",
"The same way calling water dihydrogen monoxide scares people.",
"That. Was. AWESOME!",
"They're putting up bright LEDs because the point of lights is to... light things. \n\nA well contained but brighter light is better for light pollution than a duller poorly contained light. LEDs are inherently directional and can have lenses built right on top of the diode, making it much easier to control spill. My neighbor's halogen garage light half a block away is more of a light pollution nuisance to me than the much more powerful LED street lamp right across the street.",
">Light of a color that our eyes aren't able to detect, but a digital camera can. \n\nThat is more loaded than the title dude",
"But... the first line of the wikipedia article about infrared says that it *is* EMR. \n\n>Infrared (IR), sometimes called infrared light, is electromagnetic radiation (EMR) with wavelengths longer than those of visible light.\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared \n\nAnyway, you can tell it's not fearmongering by looking at it in context - they didn't use three explanation points in the title, they didn't cut n paste an irrelevant chunk of text explaining what incredibly high doses of EMR can do to people, and it's a truly amateur channel with only a couple of random uploads of their kid mucking around. Poor guy's even had to turn off the comments on this one, was probably getting a bunch of goons in there.",
"Whoops",
"Whoops",
"It's less of a problem than one would think.",
"I mean, no one I know in engineering refers to lidar as emitting electromagnetic radiation.\n\nIt stands for light detecting and ranging. Light is right there in the acronym. Anyone who works with lidar is almost certainly going to talk about the IR light that the laser emits. Not the IR electromagnetic radiation.\n\nIts not *wrong* to say it emits EM radiation. It does. But I work in a university engineering department that does a lot of work with lidar for robotic navigation. Never heard someone talk about the 'radiation' from a lidar system. That tends to be reserved for people telling us we are going to give the world cancer with our IR EM radiation.",
"that's nothing, I've heard that car manufacturers have been installing pipes in the rear of cars that releases a GLOBAL WEATHER ALTERING SUBSTANCE!!1!11!!",
"whats that",
"Actually that's what you would call it in this context in the physics/engineering community. Popular media uses the word radiation only for ionizing radiation, which is the dangerous kind.",
"Get help",
"Yeah , I’ve never seen any radiation!!",
"wait until you hear about radio and wifi",
"light = electromagnetic radiation. Just what it's called. Not a very popular term for it outside of physics tho",
"So my balls are having more fun than me? Got it.",
"I didn’t take it as fear-mongering, electromagnetic radiation is literally what it is and there’s nothing wrong with that. We shouldn’t be self-policing to avoid using “scary” but completely correct and actually not-scary scientific terminology.",
"It saddens me if this is seen as fearmongering. Whether an EM field is radiating or static is an important concept in physics, and people shouldn't fear it.\n\nFear of a name only increases fear of the thing itself.",
"Pretty sure these flickers look pretty slow to insects... 50 or 60 hz streetlights are way more flicker hence the bug attraction",
"My FSD Beta regularly disengages in the rain. \n\"Multiple Cameras Obstructed\"",
"You can still have cameras reading signs (high contrast and visibility) without actually relying on an opaque AI algorithm to make rough estimations for full autonomous driving. The simple fact is that LIDAR is far more reliable with a much more robust output than vision cameras could ever hope to be. You're not limited by your AI training dataset if you can tell exactly how far and how fast everything is without the need to identify what it is. LIDAR is now reaching out to 200m, good luck getting useable data at that distance with vision cameras unless you use crazy telephoto setups.",
"My eyes are a stereo pair with fidelity on the order of 8k resolution. Tesla often has 720p resolution of a single camera. I'm also able to move my head side to side for additional depth perception. \n\nMy eyes also can see through rain drops on the side windows. Autopilot has the lenses directly in the rain, mist, muck, deicer, mud, etc.\n\nAnd it's all paired to a computational device in my skull with many orders of magnitude more image processing power and programming that's been refined over billions of years.",
"That just sounds like it's a poorly timed light. Not sure that is a sufficient argument against red light cameras.",
"Did you know that many lights flicker at 60hz and many animals have a higher [Flicker fusion threshold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold) than that?",
"That's what Tesla is trying to emulate using different types of convolutional neural networks, sooo... yes, exactly?",
"**[Flicker fusion threshold](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flicker_fusion_threshold)** \n \n >The flicker fusion threshold, or flicker fusion rate, is a concept in the psychophysics of vision. It is defined as the frequency at which an intermittent light stimulus appears to be completely steady to the average human observer. Flicker fusion threshold is related to persistence of vision. Although flicker can be detected for many waveforms representing time-variant fluctuations of intensity, it is conventionally, and most easily, studied in terms of sinusoidal modulation of intensity.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)",
">Still can't figure out a point you were trying to make\n\nA statement, not a question, and directly due to your clear inability to read simple comments. You are the only person lost here.",
"It's not using an imaging camera, it's using LIDAR. It's creating a 3-dimensional map based on how long its own light pulses take to return.",
"Unnecessary scientific terminology can be assumed to be fearmongering. \n\n\n\"Your children are being fed dihydrogen monoxide.\" \n\n\nOk, literally nobody calls it that unless you're trying to scare people with unknown chemical vibes. Same with \"electromagnetic\" \"radiation\". If they were a real scientist they would just view all of that as nonsense redundant extraneous unnecessary superfluous jibberish.",
"That is probably proprietary info.",
"I'm ignorant to this but can some animals see the IR spectrum? \n\nThey're going to love the future!",
"The video title trying to make it sound scary as infrared electromagnetic radiation with comments turned off.",
"I'm going to geuss you weren't a Netflix autonomous vehicle architect so that narrows it down a bit.",
"Drinks turned clear? That's interesting. Water absorbs infrared light so it should appear darker. Almost black.",
"> That's how you get people to believe your crazy theories.\n\nI still think this is a weird assumption in this case, given how the user didn't actually share any of those 'odd theories' in the video or description at all.\n\n>Waymo self driving car with LiDar passes by house at 1 AM PT displays its laser imaging on an infrared security camera.\n\nUnless you think 'laser imaging' is also a loaded term.",
"where do you live that the spider webs are dense enough / spiders are big enough that it actually becomes a problem?",
"Which animals are able to see this light? It seems like anything that can see this is going to be wildly disrupted by it, particularly if it's coming from every car on the road.",
"Nope, laser imaging is a pretty typical term to use when talking about lidar.\n\nIts the title that is using language more typical of conspiracy theorists and rarely used in engineering when talking specifically about lidar.",
"There is a difference between seeing things and making decisions based off of it. I can see 3 blocks away and make decisions about it, but not while also driving. The safety of self driving will be based off of it's capability to make decisions with that information.",
"Not scan *through* buildings. The OP says it can see through windows 3 blocks away.\n\nI too can see through windows.",
"I can't remember. Does it make them gay, sterile or british? Or is that redundant.",
"r/MurderedByOneWordTwoLetters",
">My eyes are a stereo pair with fidelity on the order of 8k resolution.\n\nNot everyone's are, though. You can get a license with 20/40 vision, and there are a LOT more 20/40 drivers than there are 20/20 drivers. \n\n\nAlso, Tesla's have 3 cameras facing forward that overlap for depth, and the side repeater cameras overlap partially with the B-pillar cameras. So trying to claim that they don't have stereo capability is just flat out wrong. \n\n\nAlso also, there are techniques for determining depth using single image sources that work really well and have been around for a while. Here's one example: [https://youtu.be/ZolWxY4f9wc](https://youtu.be/ZolWxY4f9wc) \n\n\nSo you don't need \"8k resolution\" in order to drive, most people have pretty bad vision, and you don't need stereoscopic images to determine depth anyway. All of your points are moot thus far. \n\n\n>And it's all paired to a computational device in my skull with many orders of magnitude more image processing power and programming that's been refined over billions of years.\n\nYour computational device has not been evolving for billions of years... wtf are you talking about? The first brain tissue was thought to come around \\~500 million years ago. \n\n\nRegardless, your brain wasn't evolving that entire time so it can spend 100% of its time driving on roads... most of your brain power is dedicated to things that have nothing to do with driving, like socialization, critical thinking, daydreaming, etc. Our brains are so overpowered for driving that we literally treat it as a 'background task'.",
"https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/atnkej/you_can_see_through_coke_with_a_inferred_camera/",
"I guess we have no way of knowing. I think it's just as likely the person googled the term or read it off the instruction manual of the product, I see no reason to assume they're in engineering (or would use typical engineering nomenclature).",
"Sequence initiated",
"How would you describe IR light to a layperson?",
"Comments are probably disabled for that reason too. Put out scary titles without allowing for anyone to call it out",
">My eyes are a stereo pair with fidelity on the order of 8k resolution\n\nAlso, I have a particular issue with this statement... it's not totally accurate. \n\n\nOur *entire field of view* may equate to an 8k image, but we cannot focus and interpret everything in our field of view at the same time. We can only see and process things that focus on our fovea. \n\n\n>Our eyes do not digest all visual information equally, we only digest the information in our fovea. Therefore, the image on a 576-pixel screen would be too detailed for us to interpret. \n***We can see about 7 mega pixels in our fovea range***; it’s been roughly estimated that rest of our field of view would only need 1 megapixel more information to render an image. \n\n[https://www.feelgoodcontacts.com/blog/what-is-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye](https://www.feelgoodcontacts.com/blog/what-is-the-resolution-of-the-human-eye) \n\n\nThat means that we have \\~7 megapixels of detail when we look right at something, and \\~8 megapixels of detail total. That's not even close to the claimed 8k resolution that often gets thrown around as 'fact'.",
"But can it get me there faster than i can when i need to?autonomous cars are how the system will just turn evryone into obedient drones.Great for city use and commuting but overlooking the fact, just like so many Americans love playing with guns, lots of people everywhere love driving cars.",
"I was thinking the same thing. Wouldn't they even confuse each other by sending the wrong signals to each other?",
"Everybody’s front door camera is gonna go nuts when cars like this are mainstream.",
"Lidar is stupid and unnecessary for self driving.",
"Yes, no.",
">I think it's just as likely the person googled the term or read it off the instruction manual of the product\n\nThat's the thing though... if you google it or read a manual, this isn't a term that is commonly used in relation to lidar either by engineers or laypeople.\n\nEdit: Here is an example [manual](https://cdn.sparkfun.com/assets/9/a/6/a/d/LIDAR_Lite_v3HP_Operation_Manual_and_Technical_Specifications.pdf) for a typical hobby lidar system. The term radiation is used 7 times. All 7 of those occurrences are in the 3 required safety area pargraphs.\n\nOnly when someone is talking about the dangers of lidar do they use the term radiation. Even in product manuals. If they did get it from a manual, it is because they were probably looking at the hazards and warning section of the manual...\n\nEdit 2: If you use Bing to search for \"Self driving car radiation\" you get two scary articles about large quantities of electromagnetic radiation and this video as [a box](https://imgur.com/a/m2KGvkU) on the top of the search.",
"Yeah but also turns out lidar is completely unnecessary for self driving. Waymo is a joke and will be proven as such in due time. Tesla is already crushing them and everyone else in miles driven.",
"And thanks to eye darting, we can resolve anything within about a 90 degree FOV to the full fovea resolution within a couple milliseconds.",
"Lmao sure honey. \n\nGiven your clear lack of knowledge and ridiculousness, sounds more like you are a Tesla fanboy who loves musk and anything he says, but doesn't actually understand any of the things he is talking about. Hence bullshit like the above comment, your lack of technical knowledge regarding an argument you picked, and not even knowing the term \"high level.\" Either you are 17 and full of shit, or you act 17 and are full of shit.",
"Well, then... Maybe you have a point.\n\n>I think you haven't spent enough time around people who hold very odd theories about what is likely to give you cancer.\n\nThis is definitely true, I guess I'll just take your word for it then.",
"Except that neither rain, dust, or debris causes problems. Sounds like you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Do you have a seizure when it rains while driving? Do you shoot lasers out of your eyes?\n\nNo. And no. You don't need lasers to drive. Neither does Tesla. Mark my words.",
"Except that it's neither short sighted nor dangerous. The reason they got rid of lidar is because their vision system is BETTER than lidar. Like, actually better. And hence, safer. It derives velocities and object boundaries more consistently and more effectively.\n\nYou are the exact opposite of informed about this.",
"Optimally if every car on the road were self-driving they could all travel at 90mph with no accidents. I could see dedicated self-driving lanes in the future, railed off so no manual driving idiots can just pull into that lane because it looks faster.",
"It's very likely to be fully solved in the future.",
"Do street lights move around and flicker like that? \n\nIt cant be good",
"...which is exactly what Tesla's self driving system does.",
"That was very whelming.",
"You really don't have a clue what you're talking about, and it sounds like you haven't looked at Tesla's system *at all.* Either educate yourself, or stop offering your half baked opinions.",
"I made some edits that you probably missed... but if you search for \"self driving car radiation\" on Bing, you literally get two scare tactics articles and this video in a box on the top of the search. I even get it in incognito mode, so I don't think it is just because I watched the video.\n\nI really do think this is made to intentionally be scary and uses the same language as self driving car conspiracy theorists.",
"Infrared is not electromagnetic radiation. It is not ionizing. lol",
"I had an old, cheap security cam that had a loud click. Although where it was, sometimes shadows from plants would be cast on it as they waved in the wind. So sometimes you'd hear *click, click, click, click* constantly until I turned off the night mode of just replaced it with a better one.",
"and here's a pretty good video on why it isn't, and why you should stop watching propaganda from valley grifters hawking gadgetbahn bullshit\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM0aohBfUTc",
"Infrared electromagnetic radiation.",
"in other words, imagine a light-rail loop across a couple of affluent suburbs, and now make it shittier",
"Tesla's autopilot system thought the moon was a yellow light and caused someone's car to abruptly stop for no reason. That's a fault of the camera system. It thought the side of a light colored semi trailer was the sky and someone died. That's a fault of the camera system. Neither of those would've happened with Lidar and putting all your eggs in one basket is dumb.",
"You're projecting a whole lot into a very short title.\n\nAlso what the fuck is \"electromagnetic\" \"radiation\" lmao",
"Oh true it's how you use them. But if 99% of people use them the wrong way then the problem lies with the product too, or the companies that sell them as just another light.",
"\"Look at all that 5g it's blasting everywhere!\"",
"Neither is cell tower signal and they still fuck with our bodies daily. For all you know it’s hurting they eyes just not measured or studied",
"I bet it will eventually cause us to seizure",
"Two fold, IR filter moves and IR LEDs turn on",
"M is now for myspace, right?",
"I love to drive on mountain roads with rough walls as the only edge, no road markings and frequent scary drops off to one side or the other, in such a place i trust my experience far more than i would trust an autonomous vehicle, if im in the vehicle, its a high price of failure if the tech is less than perfect.Like i say, for the urban environment self drive could be great, but dont ever take away the manual controls or prevent me from disconnecting the computer from the driving experience should i want to.",
"Your camera already has IR and UV block filters in front of the sensor. I expect it’s a non-issue, and if it is an issue, they’ll tighten up the steepness of that filter.\n\nWhere you might run into problems is if you point your camera in front of the laser at short range.",
"I work in an electronics lab and at one point one of the cleaning ladies checked herself into the emergency room because she walked past an experiment with a \"caution, electromagnetic Radiation\" and thought she was going to die of radiation poisoning.",
"The vid title even refers to IR light as \"Electromagnetic Radiation\" lmao",
"MAANA is better for sure",
"Tesla easily solved both these issues. Maybe you forgot that it's a learning system and is rapidly evolving every single day? Your two examples are frankly a moot point: Autopilot was not ever approved for people to use without watching the road. One day it will be. But until then, any accident people get into using autopilot is most likely their own fault.\n\nTesla's vision is not \"all your eggs in one basket.\" Tesla also uses radar and ulrasonics. You also drive with vision only. Your \"eggs\" are in one basket as well.",
"That video is a paid ad for Waymo by the way, people should probably consider that before/while watching",
"“Now they’re tryna use *mIcRoWaVeS* on us, Martha! Jus ain’t no da’gum way ima stand fer that!”",
"I know this won't cause 5g corona but I hate it anyway",
"Tesla has 0 miles driven in fully autonomous mode.\n\nSooo... I don't think they are going to be beating Waymo anytime soon.",
"Sounds like something out of a 1950’s horror movie plot or something!",
"My phone does that to a nightlight in my room and I hate it.",
"Maybe",
"> Infrared is not electromagnetic radiation.\n\nFalse.\n\n> It is not ionizing.\n\nTrue most of the time. Some sources exist which are high enough energy to ionize, but they are extremely rare.",
"It's just a video title. \"Infrared light\" is good enough.",
"I don't know why I lol'd so hard at this. 'Fuck yes! Disco baby!\" I want to be in that car.",
"Restricted stock units. Big tech companies pay you in stock as well as salary (cash). Tech stocks have been going crazy this year.",
"Even visible light is though",
"No no, it's F = ma!",
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared\n\n> Infrared (IR), sometimes called infrared light, is electromagnetic radiation (EMR)...",
"That wouldn't happen; the black hole sun wouldn't have any stronger gravity than the not black hole sun, since its radius got a lot smaller but its mass stayed the same. The whole solar system would just continue orbiting around it in exactly the same way!\n\nAll you have to worry about is freezing to death in complete darkness.",
"Like they're gonna hang out for a while, I believe.",
"But even when it's out of sight, it shines both night and day!",
"Depends: infrared is a very broad spectrum, near infrared acts very much like visible light (except for coke or wet clothes apparently), far infrared can't go through windows/any glass/water.",
"[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic\\_absorption\\_by\\_water#/media/File:Absorption\\_spectrum\\_of\\_liquid\\_water.png](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_absorption_by_water#/media/File:Absorption_spectrum_of_liquid_water.png)\n\nIt looks like its peak absorption in that domain is in the thermal infrared (TIR) domain, 10 microns. I think most IR cameras used for normal day-to-day purposes operate in the near-infrared (NIR) way closer to visible, 1-3 microns, while visible is around 0.5-0.7 microns. So it should still be fairly transparent at those wavelengths; at any rate, way more transparent than Coke is in the visible!",
"In English, something can be awash in sunlight!",
"I literally just linked to a video titled with and answering to your question, in exhaustive detail...",
"It is indeed Elon’s contention that LIDAR is unnecessary for self driving vehicles, cameras are enough. That said, Tesla’s have a history crashing into solid objects that were unrecognized by their vision-only system (though it’s likely those were failures of classification versus faulty image capture). \n\nIOW, I respectfully disagree vision-only systems are sufficient.",
"What would happen if two such cars pass each other on the road. Would each other’s signals mess them up?",
"It's actually pretty good",
"Holy shit you're insufferable. You bitching about technology from your iPhone and work in a tech-reliant job. What a sad angry contrarian cynical tool.",
"oh no! you've pointed out one of lidars dirty secrets!\n\ndoesnt work the same or at all in sunlight because of the infrared dynamic range.\n\nit also doesnt reflect off of dark metal things even though light does.\n\nall traffic signs completely scatter it.\n\nwhat happens with a hundred cars trying to navigate by lidar alone near each other?",
"Not as good or green or as efficient, or as low maintenance (compared to the amount of traffic they can transport) as a light rail though. That's what they mean by make it shittier.",
"You can summon an autonoumous vehicle to your front door with an app. Hard to say the same for the light rail.",
"The video itself is marked as a kids video on youtube. Why?",
"Enough to give a robot a seizure.",
"for one individual, yeah, but not for the entire community it's serving.",
"Pull your head out cunt, you can't hear the sound of the bullshit spewing out your own mouth.",
"Aviation enthusiasts around 1900 probably also wondered why ornithopter won't fly.\n\nBiologically inspired engineering is not always optimal and this is especially true for anything related to optics. This is like asking why should missile be guided by radar and infrared while pre-missile air warfare is dominated by the pilot's eye. Shouldn't we install cameras on them?",
"That is actually the reason I sweep the spiders from my cams. I don't care that they're up there, but they obstruct my driveway with their blurry bodies.",
"Guarantee in the future there will be conspiracies saying these ir lights are frying your brain or something.",
"on the micro scale, yes. on the macro scale it's more expensive, less useful to a vast majority of people, and worse for the environment.\n\nThe actual problem is most US cities aren't designed for public transport, which makes stop-gaps like this necessary, doesn't mean they're the best solution to the actual problem though, they're just treating the symptoms.",
"ugg, get rid of those amcrest cameras. The worst company in the world. Not only do they literally send people to other companies to steal info, they have been banned from Amazon FOUR times in the last couple years because of fake review spam. The \"best selling camera\" has over %90 of its reviews as fake. \n\nThey are actually banned in some countries from its shady operating it does with repressive regimes. \n\nI fell for the reviews, bought 2 cameras. The worst camera i ever seen in my life. At no point in the experience did it even look like it was going to be a good camera. The mounts cracked when installing them, they included DRYWALL screws to mount (yes brand new in box). The lens was static, like it would attract anything near the lens. The motor on one was so loud you could hear in grinding as it turned downstairs.\n\nThe year i bought mine..the software was already 4 years old, no updates since then, and it was so bad. The worst part is because they lock down everything no 3rd party to use.\n\nI think i ended up using them as target practice.\n\nThe best part of it all? When i left a negative review...they contested it. lol",
"Who are you? George Awash?",
"Dang, we should capture that energy somehow.",
"to be fair it depends on the person. Lots of genetics play in that, some guys can be roofers with no hat and a t shirt and live to be 90, while a 20 year old could get burns and skin cancer at 30.\n\nHumans are weird.",
"In fact, the process would reduce the sun's mass unless it was all magically crunched together.",
"[It's all about directing the light to what you want to light up](https://www.darksky.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Light_Pollution_Diagram_680px.jpg).",
"Nothing is more exhilarating than having 100s of motion alerts because a spider built a web across your security camera.",
"I'm curious what you thought it was if not EMR",
"Who are you to question youtube? If you feel so strongly about it, go ahead and dislike the video. See if we care. Click it twice if you want.",
"[Sun. Sun. Sun. Sun. ...,](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euS2SlC68q8)",
"I have waymo smart plugs and they kinda suck.",
"Yes that's exactly the point",
"Great covers by:\n\nNora Jones ,\n\n[Chilly Gonzales](https://www.reddit.com/r/90scovers/comments/prkx4c/montreux_jazz_festival_2017_chilly_gonzales_black/) ,\n\n[with Jennah Bell](https://www.reddit.com/r/90scovers/comments/pqzmgn/stories_ft_jennah_bell_black_hole_sun_acoustic/)",
"Where I work we have a robot with a realsense camera on it. The camera puts out a dot pattern in IR in order to improve depth accuracy. Whenever we catch the robot on a security cam it looks like it's using a bright ass flashlight",
"Bah. Bah. Bah. Bahhhh.",
"Because people are shit. It's bloody evident.",
"how is that fear mongering it literally is electromagnetic radiation.\n\nis it fear mongering to describe the red object as reflecting red light",
"Yeah but if you can see in IR there's going to be a lot of confusing about the world.",
"[citation needed]",
"ALways wondered why security video isn't ultra high hd.",
"High beams are annoying because they're incredibly bright. I see no evidence that LIDAR sensors put out anything close to that intensity in the IR spectrum. Where are you getting this info from? \n\nKeep in mind, most animals that can see a portion of the IR spectrum also see in the visible light spectrum. So street lights, buildings, and car lights would be just as disruptive.",
"Fuck you here’s an upvote",
"Good question. Largest city in the US is NYC at ~8mm, next largest is Los Angeles with ~4mm, and all other US cities decrease from there. So, mainly larger metropolitan areas? IMO, 6-10 years is the earliest we’ll see increased rollout. Why so long? Two biggest reasons: \n\n1) inertia is a bitch… anyone remember how long it took for NHTSA to approve adaptive headlights? Headlights… \n\n2) Designing ASIL D level four autonomous vehicles is hard. Shared service business models significantly lower the technical barriers to entry. Think of it as yet another replay of the last mile problem…",
"Animals see in infrared?",
"It is a concern for security cameras as we progress to all automated cars. Not a major one, but a concern.",
"For context this is what my phone looks like on my nursery camera. It’s alarming how often it’s scanning my face.",
"I’ve got this idea involving lots of CO2……",
"What wouldn’t this be a problem if all the cars on the street are equipment with all these active sensors. Would that effectively blind or overwhelm them?",
"I get the feeling this is gonna work fine right up until it meets another one coming the opposite way",
"Ohh moment of realization. I use an infrared camera at work and it's always clicking as I point it in different directions. I bet it's switching to different filters depending on what it's seeing.",
"Oh wow you're right, never thought of that nor did I notice the flood light kick on in the video. Very interesting, but I also wonder if Tesla's current setup is going to cut it, or if more measures need to be implemented. Driver and pedestrian safety wins out at the end of the day. Thanks for learning me",
"It’s like an ice cream truck for seizures!",
">Tesla has 0 miles driven in fully autonomous mode.\n\nWhat exactly are you calling \"fully autonomous mode\"? Because if your car is limited to only certain areas, that doesn't count. Waymo has only ever driven roads they've meticulously mapped out. That's not self driving. That's trains running on tracks.\n\n> I don't think they are going to be beating Waymo anytime soon.\n\nThey're already beating them by leaps and bounds, in almost every way that matters.",
"But I thought [the sun is a deadly lazer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdbI8BwrA1o)?",
"Their vision system is improving every second the autopilot is engaged. They are taking in terabytes of data from every Tesla on the road. There is no known limit to the observational power of their vision system. We haven't even begun to see results from their DOJO training system. Tesla has barely scratched the surface of what's possible with AI vision. This is the beginning of the process, not the middle or end.\n\nVision will be enough. You know how we know that? *Because humans drive with vision only.* The only thing left to do is train the models. That's the final stretch. Between here and full autonomy, the road is nothing more than training data and model refinement.",
"Someone ELI5? What’s going on?",
"That seems inherently worse for us in the long run. Let's do it!",
"Well, there's not really any physical process we know of that would turn our sun into a BH, so it's pretty much necessarily magic we're talking about, right? I usually think of it as a thought experiment when it comes to a star like ours.",
"Lol your one of those😂 people. Bruh cell towers and wifi fuck with us just cause some study the cell company paid for says it doesn’t or is minuscule doesn’t mean it’s true",
"Thanks for posting that, I had no idea they were driverless taxis, I assumed they were just mapping the cities they were in.\n\nAnd regarding the aggro commenter, the guy says right at the beginning that the video was sponsored by Waymo, so obviously they're going to try to cast the company in a good light.\n\nNot really a big deal, imo, magazines and television shows have been doing that for a hundred years.",
"It's the future for sure, most uber and lift drivers should know their years are numbered.",
"Imagine what this is going to do to nature with animals whose vision is infrared.",
"Turning on a bedside lamp hits you with *way* more electromagnetic radiation than a cell tower or wifi. Studies have been done, but they’re unnecessary - the physics simply aren’t there. Nonionizing radiation well under the milliwatt per meter squared range is supposed to hurt you? You don’t know what you’re talking about.",
"If your perception goal is to equal human vision performance then a corollary is that vision-only solution is good enough? If autonomous vehicles are as deadly as human driven vehicles, they will die. Literally. Robots must drive better than humans or they’ll be effectively banned. Considering automotive radar and lidar costs will continue shrinking while performance will continue increasing, why accept the limits of human perception?",
"Checkout a company called Microvision",
"Microvision",
"> Meanwhile at Tesla: ONLY CAMERAS. RAIN/DUST/DEBRIS? TOO BAD\n\nI'm not a computer vision / lidar expert, but my understanding is that Lidar works worse with rain/fog. This is the rationale why Tesla is going camera only -- they have to solve the rain/fog case anyway, so adding another input that occasionally has to be thrown away might be a serious testing & machine learning training challenge.",
"> If your perception goal is to equal human vision performance\n\nNo. Just good enough to be safer than a human driver, which is attainable. Human vision is vastly more complex than what is required for driving safely. It is a mistake to assume that AI vision must be as complex as human vision for driving. On the contrary, driving safely does not actually require the full complexity of human vision and perception. The bar is much lower than that. AI perception has already proven to work much better than human perception in other fields. The reason this is attainable is because it's a narrowly-defined problem space. The cars don't need to do more than drive safely.\n\n> If autonomous vehicles are as deadly as human driven vehicles, they will die\n\nNo one -- not even Elon Musk -- is proposing that self driving cars should drive equally as safely as a human driver.\n\n\n\n> why accept the limits of human perception\n\nDo you have eight eyes pointed in all directions, millisecond reaction time, ultrasonic detectors and radar, never get tired, and never get distracted? Tesla's autopilot vision system is already superhuman enough to solve this problem.\n\nCameras are not the limiting factor here. The cameras on these cars are already good enough. The limiting factor is data and training. And Tesla is gathering and processing that data at an astronomical rate. In a few years time, Tesla will have self driving cars that are safer than human drivers, probably by an order of magnitude or more. And they will do it without LIDAR.",
"listen you dumb yuppie cunt, i directly answered a fucking question i was asked, twice now\n\neither watch it or don't but i'm not here to walk you through therapy and you don't need to tell me how you feel about that",
"Big science words scary.",
"Don't ever tell them what RADAR is.",
"Damn imagine being such an angsty emo little bitch hahaha. Look at your comment history. You desperately need to get laid, go outside, or find something that brings you happiness. You're cringeworthy.\n\nBlocked so I won't see your sad replies anymore ❤️",
"Damn imagine being such an angsty emo little bitch hahaha. Look at your comment history. You desperately need to get laid, go outside, or find something that brings you happiness. You're cringeworthy.\n\nBlocked so I won't see your sad replies anymore ❤️",
"Lighten up Francis. Sheesh… fanboys… fanboys everywhere.",
"they are not driverless taxis\n\nthe video is a paid advertisement, as part of a pre-scripted promotional campaign, and everything in it is misinformation and bullshit",
"Ohh right, this was after anger management. \n\nMakes sense, thank you.",
"Then what are they?\n\nAnd that when the guy gets into the car and it turns into traffic that that's fake? Must be some pretty fancy cgi.",
"Not one bit bro this is Reddit 😂 I appreciate you breaking it down for me tho",
"largely remotely operated, geofenced theme park rides, going back and forth on the same pre-programmed couple of roads, and stopping for red lights \n\neverything is mapped down to the millimeter -- if you were to release this \"driverless taxi\" literally anywhere off its virtual rails, it would be more useless than a segway",
"No love for MANGA?",
"So you're saying that there's no AI, that the spinning IR is only for looks, and there's some guy in the office staring at 3 different monitors driving the car? \n\nAnd that the company would rather lie about having AI, and lie about the car being remotely operated (which again would have to be approved by a municipality anyway) and that theyd spend alllllll that money on extra equipment instead of just starting a 3rd traditional driver sharing service, all just to *appear* to be driverless?\n\nYou're off your meds.\n\nand geofencing btw is typically a term reserved for purely for triggering mobile advertising",
"> So you're saying that there's no AI\n\nno, there is \"AI\" in the marketing sense of the word -- which means deep learning heuristics that will mistake a cement mixer for a speed limit sign randomly every hundred or so attempts\n\nwhich is why the routes are carefully scanned down to the last pebble and pre-scripted with traffic rules for every last inch of road they maintain\n\n> that theyd spend alllllll that money on extra equipment instead of just starting a 3rd traditional driver sharing service, all just to appear to be driverless?\n\nyes that's the idea \n\nfor example, when uber's \"driverless\" car mowed down a pedestrian after they manually patched the stupid fucking thing that kept slamming on the brakes on a hair trigger, the blamed the \"dirverless\" car's driver and then... wait for it... put a second driver in their \"driverless\" car\n\nit's a marketing scam for doe-eyed morons, like you, who don't understand the technology or its inherent and intractable limitations\n\n> and geofencing btw is typically a term reserved for purely for triggering mobile advertising\n\ni'm a systems programmer of 25 years\n\nremind me, who the fuck are you again?",
"I'm the guy that's gonna take the first Waymo ride I can find.\n\nWoot woot!",
"okay, enjoy your wheeled six flags ride down two miles of road in yuppieville i guess?\n\ni don't know what gave you the impression that i was trying to talk you out of this experience",
"Hey you Can’t have high winter heating cost when you have no winter…\n\nHigh factor Sunscreen should surely resolve any possible teething issues",
"Hm interesting. Yesterday I was behind a Waymo car at a redlight. I pulled out my cell phone camera to look at the LIDAR unit and I didn't see anything.\n\nSo maybe it's because it was drowned out by the sunlight?",
"> To anyone who thinks this technology is unsafe, I can assure it is magnitudes safer than any human driver could ever be. It is the future.\n\nthis is just patently false\n\ntheir safety profile is directly in line with how pointless these toys are\n\nif you confine the parameters of the gimmick to an elaborate theme park ride on virtual rails, down a few pre-programmed streets, scanned down to the last lump of gravel and meticulously planned ahead of time, they are reasonably safe\n\nthey are reasonably safe because they are completely useless, and exist only for PR purposes\n\nif, on the other hand, you want them to be *useful*, rather than going back and forth a few miles through an affluent suburb, anyone who understands the technology should want to get in a car with a half-blind drunk before setting foot in this fucking marketing grift",
"they have wisely opted out of making any decisions much more sophisticated than \"stop on red\" and \"don't hit thing\" and instead poured a ton of money into giving people the false impression that the vehicles are truly \"smart\" and fully autonomous, after buying a bunch of youtube \"influencer\" hacks to suck them off for a fat check\n\nturns out, marketing total bullshit and manufacturing hype is a lot more practical than creating the world's first AGI",
"I'm not sure you understand what a layperson is.",
"What is the cost of those compared to a Tesla? Do they cost Waymo?",
"I wonder what the 5G conspiracy folks thinks of this? Tin foil bucket hats 🧢🧢",
"I meant diffuse reflection",
"Thanks bud, he says that less than 40 seconds in.",
"No, it's because your phone has an IR filter on the camera.\n\nAlso don't use your phone while driving, I don't give a fuck if you're at a red light, phone stays out of your hand while the ignition is on",
"Ilectromagnetic Radiashun",
"Try this with your Roomba if you have a IR cam.",
"BATTLING SEIZURE ROBOTS!",
"LMAO why does that guy play the same character in every show.",
"Some can. But after looking it up doesn't seem like they would be city dwelling animals. Except for maybe bats.",
"I got one of those AeroGarden hydroponics kits on a Black Friday sale and placed it in my basement office. The grow light mimics sun light to help the plants grow. \n\nI feel ten times more awake and my mood has improved greatly since it’s been in my office. \n\nThere’s something to this.",
"🎵 [One of these is not like the other.](https://youtu.be/rsRjQDrDnY8) 🎶",
"That’s a pretty cool image.",
"And strobing bright IR flashes disrupt animals that can see it. If you’re really that dense then we have nothing left to talk about here. The point you’re trying to make is that if you were to replace put a strobe light next to a desk lamp there’d be no difference because they’re both lights “Oh if you don’t like that strobe light at your desk then you must hate that desk lamp too because it’s just as disruptive. They both have light bulbs!” Ridiculously false equivalency.",
"Yeah, as someone who also knows conspiracy theorists the wording really is the incredibly suspicious. They always present stuff \"neutrally\" or \"scientifically\" at first until there's a big enough following for the theory.\n\nThe only people I hear talk about cell phone tower or 5g \"radiation\" are either professionals working literally on or within 10 feet of a tower, or conspiracy theorists. \n\nIt reads the same as faux science-based fear mongering over 'dihydrogen monoxide' (granted that's a parody), 'chemical-free' food (not a parody) and anti-gmo theorists using the word 'mutation'.\n\nLooks like you just got caught in a localized downvote train.",
"There's a big difference between what it says it can do and what it can actually do. Seeing an object at that distance is not the same as having distance data at that range. LIDAR can provide distance data at 200m to a couple of cm accuracy, it's not even comparable to triangulation approximations algorithms need to make with vision cameras. Not to mention that they don't even work in low contrast situations or in poor visibility, where LIDAR doesn't struggle nearly as much with modern sensors.\n\nRoof racks are also becoming a thing of the past due to miniaturisation efforts. Spinning sensors are no bigger than a mug with 50m 360° coverage at wide vertical FOV, and long range flash LIDAR solutions capable of 200m can fit in the bumper or the headlights of a car too now.\n\nI work in the autonomous driving industry, the clear winners are solutions that implement both LIDAR and vision cameras. You need the diverse data set to achieve L5 automation. Tesla autopilot is still a glorified L3 system, and is extremely unlikely to get much further.",
"I have problem with reading comprehension. His is easier to understand",
"You can identify the self-driving cars up here in Northern Ontario by the way they are all embedded head-first into giant snow banks",
"You are thinking of UV light, not IR. Opposite end of the spectrum.",
"What dos near/far mean in that context? Near on the spectrum to visible light or near as in the source is near to an object?",
"Teslas are already driving around with what they claim are the parts necessary for full automation. Don't know if that includes lidar, but I doubt it.",
"My original point that you chose to ignore was that you don't have an ounce of proof to back up a word of what you're saying. \n\nYou don't even know the output of those lights. All I'm hearing is some contortionist with a chip on his shoulder. \n\nI'm open to LIDAR being horrible to wildlife, I have no skin in the game, unlike you. But it's obvious you're just talking out of your ass. Storytelling to create a conclusion you desperately want to be true.",
"Near, as in nearly in the visible range of the spectrum. Far infrared means a longer wavelength.",
"There's documented damage of lidar on camera optics. Until I see some serious research on the potential risks of Lidar on health, I won't feel comfortable walking next to those.",
"Nope, I'm not thinking of UV. Yes, they are on opposite ends of the spectrum. The sun provides ultraviolet, visible, and infrared light. The majority is infrared. https://redlightman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/sun-spectrum.jpg :)",
"I hadn't thought of that! Here's an article I found on it, but yeah, it looks like there hasn't been much serious research on how this will work in a real-world setting. https://www.laserfocusworld.com/blogs/article/14040682/safety-questions-raised-about-1550-nm-lidar",
"Tesla never had lidar on any of their cars. They got rid of Radar, which is a fairly different beast.",
"Do you really need proof that strobe lights are worse than typical low emission street lights? Come on…",
"I don't think tesla ever came up. They're all fundamentally unsafe and wasteful systems in numerous ways, but waymo tries to mitigate the safety problems by just removing most of the functionality with pre-planning and geofencing, penning it into a well defined couple of tracks where the system has a narrow scope and doesn't have to do much driving at all. It doesn't have to be level 4/5 automation; it just has to *look* like it.",
"is that going to mess with animals? I'm pretty sure deer can see some IR.",
">It's not like Google can profit from making a light rail system\n\nExactly. You can buy a Honda or a Ford. You can't buy a subway. \n\nSo, let's kill capitalism before it kills us all for profit.",
"what the hell is a waymo smart plug",
"They tested it on prototypes. And you’re right about radar. Vision turned out to be more reliable. Imagine that.",
"FFS, things like this are one more cut to kill the insect populations. It's like a flashbang going off in your face, and it's not regulated like visible light pollution is.",
"Well, not anymore. There's a blanket.",
"Wait till they hear about their TV remote.",
"Fuck, checkmate famous grunge band from the 90s Soundgarden.",
"That’s cool. Now only if they could do lane changes.",
"And then he once again punches that same wall over Nelly in season 8.",
"When the lightbulb was invented, would you want the papers reporting \"Edison invents device that emits 900nm radiation, suggests putting it in your children's bedroom\"?\n\nInfrared radiation is very nearly visible light. If anything, it is safer than visible light.",
"spiders are going to fucking hate self driving cars and lidar capable phones",
"The correct analogy is \"Edisons light bulb emits 900nm radiation.\" Yours is intentionally written as a scare tactic, instead of being simply informative, which the posted video is. Yes, I would want to know the science behind the light bulb.",
"Infrared radiation is very nearly visible light. If anything, it is safer than visible light. The general public *should* know that \"radiation\" isn't automatically bad. *But, they don't.* \n\nInstead people flip out and get politically active at the mere *mention* of radiation. See: Google trying to give the Bay Area free Wi-Fi and getting blocked by activists who literally break out in physical hives from *placebo* radiation exposure (warning light on, but emitter is actually off).\n\nI bet the poster is a reasonably smart, scientifically knowledgeable individual who simply didn't consider how people would react to the video title. Because to them that would be silly.\n\nWell, a whole lot of people are silly enough to cause real problems for bad reasons. We need to take them into consideration when presenting \"scary\" new demon-haunted technology to the public.",
"WHAYMO WHAYMO also makes ambulance's sirens",
"I'll rephrase:\n\n> News paper reports \"Edison's bulb emits 900nm radiation\" with a depiction of a street light shining into a a home.\n\nBecause that's what the video depicts.\n\nMeanwhile, it's great that you are scientifically curious. And, I'm sure 98% of your neighbors are smart enough to yawn at this vid. But, there is a huge variety of people out there. [Many of whom are prone to causing real problems at the mere mention of scary things like \"radiation\".](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r6k2t1/waymo_self_driving_car_passing_an_infrared/hmz4et8/)",
"Sure with human level intelligence, human perception is obviously possible. But anything less than a human brain and things get progressively less certain what degree of accuracy vision only sensors are capable of. You're taking a hardware problem and pushing it off onto software... all that you've really done is changed which team deals with the issue. \n\nYou could program a neural network to detect if a door is open or not and use a webcam. Or you can glue a magnet to the door and have a magnetic sensor to see if the magnet is within a couple cm or not. One requires a simple binary switch when the magnet closes the hardware switch but that $1 part \\* 1 million customers a year. The other requires a sophisticated neural network and a team of AI engineers and theoretically costs $0 per customer if you're already required to include a webcam. But if your team of AI engineers costs $200k each \\* 10 engineers then you're spending $2m in software vs $1m in hardware. The goal of course is that if you have 100m customers then your costs go up for the hardware to $100m vs your constant $2m in software. \n\nHow sophisticated of intelligence do you need to purely operate on vision without maps or purpose built hardware? The answer appears to be \"quite intelligent\" as proven by Tesla's inability to deliver a decent automatic windshield wiper neural net. That's literally a binary output and Tesla has spent 4 years and untold man power trying train a neural network that can achieve essentially \"hot dog, not hot dog\" and failed. So there's plenty of reason to be skeptical that Tesla will be able to replace HD Maps and Lidar which is many many orders of magnitude more complicated than Obstructed\\\\NotObstructed.\n\nTesla is also trying to replace the radar hardware to save costs and avoid supply chain issues. It's also failing pretty hard at the moment, but we know it's possible because Mobileye was founded to replace expensive radar with a cheap webcam more than 10 years ago. So that's just teething issues and we know at least for automatic cruise control it's possible. But Tesla is also trying to achieve more than prior vision only radar replacements by also trying to accurately avoid head on collisions with oncoming vehicles and non-vehicle road debris or pedestrians as well. Which is where their problems seem to be coming in at present.",
"But just because people freak out at the mere mention of something, does not mean that the poster, or in your example, the newspaper, is trying to scare people.",
"> any physical process we know of that would turn our sun into a BH,\n\nMerging with a white dwarf, neutron star or other black hole ought to do the trick.",
"There's a lidar in every iphone nowadays, albeit weaker. Maybe these idiots should stop using technology altogether and live in the woods.",
"Also every iphone and ipad nowadays have lidar, albeit weaker version.",
"What happens if it is driving towards a very large glass window? Glass doesn't reflect IR.",
"never seen any",
"Electromagnetic radiation is everything from radio waves to light.",
"Yeah I know, but what's \"electromagnetic\" \"radiation\"?",
"fair enough, I was just \"spitballing\". I heard Musk mention it once, so I thought I'd make it seem like I know what I'm talking about, lol! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that is Tesla's plan - all camera. You think this is a bad idea, eh?",
"> Do you actually say things like this IRL?\n\nyes why?",
"Everything I just said is 100% correct and I've spent a ton of time learning every single detail made public about autopilot. So... pound sand?",
"That can be literally said about anything.\n\nAnything is possible with enough time and money. Yeah, eventually we'll have curved emerald layers over the camera lenses that have nearly zero friction so nothing can stick to them.\n\nBut by then my model 3's frame will probably be rust and the space elevators be our primary means of transportation off world.\n\nIn the near term we need little mechanical cleaning devices which... *Checks car* aren't installed.",
"A background task on top of the visual cortex which consumes an enormous amount of our energy and brain's processing capabilities. And no we don't consciously think about depth perception or physics we just passively perceive the world and subconsciously do most of our brain's work interpreting what we see. The whole socializing and critical thinking and daydreaming part of our brain runs as a tiny background process on a tiny sliver of our neurons. Hence why we're pretty terrible at math even though our brain should be able to crush things like subtraction. The rational part of our brain is teenie tiny compared to our incredibly robust vision and perception system.\n\nFSD is exactly the same 99.9% of AP is perception. The FSD code for logic is so lightweight that they can run thousands of cars at once per second on the lightweight ARM cpu.\n\n\nAlso nervous systems predate the brain.",
"So you think making cameras that can see in the rain...is more difficult to build than a space elevator.\n\nGot it. Makes perfect sense. Those problems are totally equivalent.",
"Making the existing hardware installed on 1 million vehicles work in the rain? Maybe not the same level of difficulty but the same probability of happening in our lifetimes.",
"> the same probability of happening in our lifetimes\n\nHow are you calculating that? What's the intuition? Why are you so convinced this is some kind of intractable problem?\n\nAnd why are you setting the arbitrary rule that we have to only work with the existing hardware on the cars? If the problem can be solved with future hardware, then doesn't that vastly affect the outcome of your little thought experiment?\n\nA jet of compressed air on each camera lens would easily solve this issue during the rain.",
"No LIDAR. The \"full self driving\" tech is a computer vision based system.\n\nIMO, it's current ongoing beta extremely immature and I've no hope in it being a perfect solution anytime in the next 5 years.",
"What are you doing at the beach Step-Camera?",
"Can lidar lasers damage eyes or camera sensors? Like if the Waymo dream came true and there was millions of these on the road, would that constant and repeated exposure to lidar lasers eventually damage our eyes?"
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