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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7pbkm/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r7pbkm/deleted_by_user/	[ ": )", "cute.", ":D\n\nit’s a work of art", "I reposted it with a different title." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7pxwk/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r7pxwk/deleted_by_user/	[ "Fuck that guy!", "Why?", "Reproduction", "Ah. Yes.", "\n\n/╲/\\╭(`𝖱𝖾𝗉𝗅𝗂𝖼𝖺𝗍𝗈𝗋𝗌.`)╮/\\╱\\", "Do you want replicators? Because that's how you get replicators." ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPukuYb9xWw	/r/videos/comments/r7q0f4/robot_prototype_for_all_your_uncanny_valley_needs/	[ "That is absolutely both parts amazing and horrifying.", "It's the smile at the end of the video that sends it careening into the uncanny valley.", "This is clearly fake/cgi", "It doesn't look like anything to me.", "Yeah it's weird it almost looks like a real robot but there's some part of my primitive brain which can tell that it's not a real robot.", "I never really understood why people are so hell bent on creating robots that look and act like humans, because humans are a really shitty design.", "I think this video of this particular robot might have some cgi elements added. The company is apparently for real:\n\nhttps://www.engineeredarts.co.uk/", "The robot dude just to the right is way too high for that shit.", "Sex robots", "Either that or some art students put a hell of a lot of effort into this project lol.", "ngineered Arts, makers of these amazing robots yet seemling obscure and hardly any serious media publications (aside from all the articles today).\n\nThis feels like a super elaborate hoax, they've come a long way in just a year lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crjCSxA2v0I\n\n\n\n\n\n^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^(I'm-calling-it-that-this-will-come-out-as-a-big-prank-on-the-media)", "Because our entire world is geared to our shape. If you’re going to have a robot get the mail and cook dinner it’s got a integrated to existing infrastructure", "Agreed. Somebody go get Captain Disillusion and the Corridor Crew.", "[https://www.engineeredarts.co.uk/video-gallery/](https://www.engineeredarts.co.uk/video-gallery/) \n\n\nThey have a fair ammount of other robotics out there, It doesn't look like it's fake to me. There other video with this unit looks CGI, but this one looks legit, but maybe it's because its a composite rather than full CGI", "Composites of CG are harder to do that a full CG scene. When doing a composite the CG has to match the lighting of the video it's put on, which is very difficult to do.", "If it's CG it's very good CG. These kinds of robotics already exists and is used for very important things, props in Disney rides.", "Reminds me of a synth from Fallout", "The one on the table behind it has seen some shit.", "https://youtu.be/Fvh32fQ8nNI", "The smile at the end hit me in the creepy bone.", "Why do you say clearly? It’s just a research project with a bunch of actuators and motors with rubber stretched over them to simulate facial movement.", "Nuke it from orbit, just to be sure! I've seen too many evil-AI and murderous robot movies to abide this.", "Well, it's pretty cool but also pretty clear that it's scripted motions, reactions, and expressions. That to me makes it much less special." ]	23	videos	robot prototype for all your uncanny valley needs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr6FGAgKxZ0	/r/videos/comments/r7r0h5/i_used_to_think_this_guy_was_annoying_but_his_1/	[ "Who's this guy? I want some mawr.", "Barstool guy, I normally dont f with barstool. He used to get paid to travel to different colleges, not as good. But he recently came out with the interview series.", "Its called Sundae Conversation on youtube" ]	3	videos	I used to think this guy was annoying, but his 1 on 1 interviews are hilarious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpbc1bFXJmg	/r/videos/comments/r7rbc5/jumping_off_the_highest_point_in_marvels/	[ "Im at 94% on Spider-Man right now and this is my first play through!! Incredible game!!\n\nThat other game is an affront to videogames everywhere.", "is the kazoo music a remix from Robin Hood, Men in Tights?", "It's some classical thing. [Birb used it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da9PDzt53WA).", "It's a version of the [Spider-Man 2 videogame pizza theme](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czTksCF6X8Y), which itself is a version of the song Funiculì Funiculà.", "Miles is great too. Worth checking out if you want to keep swinging.\n\nBoth great games to get lost in. Had just as much fun reaching the mission/checkpoint. \n\nThe movement is so goddamn fluid!", "I feel like most of the industry has changed over to a model where, if a game has huge hype at a gaming expo they rush the release when its barely finished. It's such a common occurrence that its not even surprising anymore. CDPR with Cyberpunk, Battlefield and COD, this new Avengers game, the GTA remaster or whatever its supposed to be, Anthem, the list just keeps going. \n\nIt used to be they would release it requiring day 1 patches. Now they release an absolute steaming pile of crap, have to apologize, and then say they will give out updates to fix things. They were supposed to fix Anthem then just completely abandoned it. I feel like this is what CDPR is going to do with Cyberpunk given how long its been since they have actually fixed the game.", "Now switch to another avenger in the spider man game. You can’t. The games aren’t comparable.", "I get what you're saying, but as soon as Avengers was shown at E3 people were already saying it looked bad.", "How long is Miles? I just got a ps5 and thinking of getting it for 30 bucks but is it just a long dlc essentially?", "The campaign took me around 7ish hours I’d say. About 30 for 100% (upgrading the skill trees, grabbing all the collectibles and doing the new game +).\n\nThe price point is fair and the game holds up on its own two feet I’d say. \n\nOn the dlc comment, It depends on which way you want to spin it. \n\nIt is the same city. The graphics and frame rate have been cleaned up and you have a few new POIs. \n\nEverything has been refined. From the swinging and movement mechanics, combat to general polish. \n\nTo me personally. Yes, it could’ve been an incredible DLC to Spider-Man…\n\nbut it made no difference as for the price, it was worth every penny.", "Awesome - thanks! I beat the game when it was released (2018)? So maybe just a replay through on my PS5 would be a fun idea then tack on Miles, too. If you own the PS4 version of spider-man digitally do you know if there’s a free next gen upgrade, or would i have to repurchase to get that? I’m stoked to see cleaned up swinging it was already so good!", "Enjoy bruv!\n\nI don’t know personally as I haven’t replayed Spider-Man on ps5 and Miles was given to me by a friend.\n\nBut, I think you might be able to….\n\n\n\n[*Marvel’s Spider-Man Remastered for the PS5 console is available as part of the Marvel’s Spider-Man: Miles Morales Ultimate Edition or available for £20 when purchased with Marvel’s Spider-Man Miles Morales Standard Edition. PS4 Standard Edition owners must upgrade to PS5 version (at no cost) in order to redeem. To upgrade PS4 Standard Edition disc to the digital PS5 version, you will need a PS5 console with a disc drive.](https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/games/marvels-spider-man-remastered/)", "Yeah ones good, the other's a glorified casino for children", "It's seriously an amazing game. The physics just felt perfect, whether it was swinging through the city or hurling manhole covers at bad guys.\n\nIt was just such a well-balanced game with great eye on detail. While it wasn't an exact 1:1 copy of New York, it sure felt like it. Great story too.", "I want to say larry the cucumber sang a song about a hat and chocolates to that song as well.", ">How long is Miles\n\n5280 feet or about 1609 meters", "needed this laugh today ty lol", "would have appreciated more context, instead of a lame joke about competition, when, they're both Spider-Man.", "Unpopular opinion here, I really didn't get the hype from Spiderman. I bought it, played it a little bit, but it just seemed so repetitive to me. I tried picking it back up a few times, but it just felt kind of boring. Do I have to get past a certain point before it starts getting good? Or am I just weird?" ]	19	videos	Jumping Off The Highest Point In Marvel's Spider-Man PS4 Vs. Marvel's Avenger's PS5
https://youtu.be/sD8Yh8KYhzM	/r/videos/comments/r7sr1u/if_blink_182_wrote_wonderwall/	[ "This is like the best thing ever", "Bro…. This is just love. Oh my god, I fucking love this dude, I’m about to play it again. Just fucking YES!", "spot on", "Worthy of an upvote!", "how do I re-close the portal to the alternate world that this spot-on cover came from?", "This is still on the front page dude wtf", "Dude. 9 hours ago. https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7k8jy/if_blink128_wrote_wonderwall/", "I’d jam it but I’m sure others ears will sponstasley combust" ]	8	videos	If Blink 182 Wrote 'Wonderwall'
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7t88w/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r7t88w/deleted_by_user/	[ "I was talking to a vegetarian the other day, and I said to her, \"If meat's so bad for you, how come it's food?\"", "Well done you. I bet she thought you were really clever!", "You know it's clever.\n\nI changed her mind. We had carne asada fajitas." ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/vF3M3h34tHM	/r/videos/comments/r7u51b/george_harrison_trying_to_debut_i_me_mine_while/	[ "Dicks.", "They really did him dirty.", "A couple weeks ago someone posted that video of Yoko Ono ruining a set with John and Chuck Berry and I commented that it was terrible but she got too much hate for the Beatles breakup. John and Paul were both extremely strong personalities and cooperating with both of them was doomed from the start.", "I don't think there's much more to the hatred of Yoko on reddit than it being a meme that everyone wants to jump on.\n\nMost people on here who love making subtlety racist, sexist remarks about her can't name one of her songs and don't know how influential and ahead of her time in terms of experimental music.", "And they love to deify Lennon despite the fact that he was kind of a twat.", "One can also genuinely not like Yoko Ono's art, or have the impression that she's the prime representative of the art school of \"knowing the right people\".", "\"kind of\" is kind of an understatement.", "In my experience you can afford one \"kind of\" in front of \"twat\" without diminishing the impact.", "Doomed…to collaborate for 10 years as the best rock and roll band ever?\n\nEdit: Beatles, Zepellin, Floyd. In that order, debate OVER.", "Hey it made it on the album at least.", "Do they tho? Its common knowledge that he was a dick", "I really loved her song OhmahsnHæHÆHÆhehohksb, really touched my ass nerve", "Sure they do. \"Common knowledge\" might be an exaggeration. I think most people buy in the idea that he was a peace loving gentle artistic soul who allowed the woman he loved to dictate his life and tear him away from his beloved band mates.", "Count me on the other side. I saw her work on the top floor of the Guggenheim in Bilbao in August of 2014, and to this day it was one of my favorite experiences with art. Watching young children smash their faces into panes of glass they couldn't see was just one of the treats I experienced that day.", "Taste always plays a role, but I more generally have an issue with art where you can't tell it's art until you find the plaque that reads \"art\". A lot of Ono's work (and again, not just her) is considered art solely because she does it, and she's known solely for whom she knew or knows. If some random Japanese peasant hangs a ema from a tree in a shrine, it's a Shinto religious practice, it's not \"great art\". If some random singer screeches into the microphone, they get ridiculed on America's Next Superstar, or whatever those programs are called, they aren't called vanguards of experimental music. Of course that aspect has been in art from the first time it was commodified. But with Yoko Ono's art - to me, not universally - it seems to be the case that it's almost entirely that form of sophistry enabled through networking. I've never perceived anything Yoko Ono has done (but I haven't exactly gone looking, either) as impressive on its own merit.", "‘Run along, son. We’ll see you later. We’re a rock and roll band you know.’\n‘Well, I’ll get on the barrel organ.’\n‘George, have you any idea what we play’\n\nYou can’t see that?", "I think I believe that it only made the album because he performed it while they were filming the \"Making of\" documentary. \n\n\"In October 1969, Lindsay-Hogg completed an edit of the documentary film,[57] which included footage of Harrison playing \"I Me Mine\" for Starr.[25][nb 6] Harrison, Starr and McCartney were then shown performing the song while Lennon danced with Ono.[25][58] Since the scenes were relatively prominent,[38][52] the Beatles had to record the song for inclusion on the accompanying soundtrack album, still titled Get Back but soon to become Let It Be.\"", ">How did we get to yoko from making fun of Georges song?\n\nWho are you talking to? The one single root comment talking about Yoko?", "A mind reader are you not? It can't be that simple when people listen to her [screeches](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdZ9weP5i68) called art and laugh.", "I am not trying to change your mind but maybe offer a new perspective, although you seem more educated than me on this topic so you have probably already accounted for what I'm about to write.\n\nYoko Ono's visual art is not complete without consumer participation. A glass maze by itself is not art, but mix in regular Windex breaks and excited kids and you really have something. I found many of her works only revealed themselves to me as I participated in them or more specifically, consumed them, and I believe that was intentional. \n\nFor example, I remember a plexiglass box about 1m^2 with a hole big enough for a visitor to put their hand inside. There was a warning label above the box foretelling some horrible end to your hand if you put it inside the box. Is a plexiglass box with a hole and a warning label art? I would answer: \"Not until you're standing alone before the box in a quiet room, deciding whether or not to put your hand inside.\" Yoko's work made me feel things and learn about myself.", "No. Both these guys are straight up full of shit", "I don't really think they were tearing into him. Not friendly but I'd imagine they have the capability to banter like that.", "Yep, still don’t care.", "Where does Paul make fun of it? It seems to me that he actually took an interest, it’s only John that makes fun of it. Also, the finished song has another, faster section that sounds very much like Paul, which I think means they worked on the song together. \n\nIt is true that John never played on I Me Mine, if I’m not mistaken.", "For my money, Harrison's \"All Things Must Pass\" is the best post Beatles album.", "I felt like I heard ribbing towards all of them at some point. Not limited to George. He obviously felt hurt at some point, since he left the band, but there was quite a bit of toxicity. I think this was driven by the short timeline. I John and Paul felt like they didn't want to put much time into George or Ringos songs, because they didn't turn out to be anything but little one-offs.", "Brian Epstein was the guy in charge of the Beatles, the guy that rounded them all up and knew how to move them around and tell them exactly what they should be doing. They never fought with him, only each other.\n\nThen he died. They never really stood a chance without him. But on top of that, John was knee-deep in heroin at this time, and we all know what that does to great musicians.", "They aren't the best rock and roll band ever. The Rolling Stones are the Greatest Rock and Roll Band and they've held that title for _several decades_.", "Thank you. It appears to me John was insecure that he was going to be overshadowed if another songwriter came in, and tried to belittle George over it. That being said, Paul standing up for George in the moment would have been nice to see.", "The bill Burr commentary on this is outstanding", "I'd say All Things Must Pass along with Lennon's first two solo albums (Plastic Ono Band and Imagine) and McCartney's first two (McCartney, Ram) show further evidence that they broke up while still at a creative high, which is a big reason there's such a mystique associated with the Beatles.", "I don't hear them making fun of him. I hear friends getting excited and being playful.\n\nEDIT: Lennon later dances energetically with Yoko to this song - They really loved it.", "Best popular music band ever.", "'I don't give a fuck, it can go in me musical' is a great quote.", "Beatles far from best like the other guy popular yes not the best", "Lennon was a prick. He says something similar when Ringo is showing garden to George \"what am I playing Richie?\", he was just like that getting on everyone nerves.", "Bro... The beatles inspired a lot of modern music.\n\nLike for example progrock is pretty much an in depth exploration of Sgt. Peppers.", "John Lennon was a shit human being", "Just sounds like playful banter doesn't it?", "I agree, but I also think that McCartney's post-Beatle work was really unfairly criticized when it first came out. Ram is such a great album and the reviews were shit, likely because Paul was seen as the catalyst of the Beatles' breakup and took a lot of the heat.", "John was a huge insecure asshole, Paul was not.", "People don't realize that the Beatles come from the silent generation–the generation before boomers. They are the same age or a little older than Joe Biden. \n\nThese guys are not fragile. Behind that hippie lifestyle they are rough working-class dudes.", "People don't realize the Beatles are fucking old?", "I love that George wrote arguably the most beloved Beatles song ever.", "I think some of the criticism comes from people expecting Big Statement Pieces from the Beatles, and RAM is just a perfect little pop album. It wasn't \"serious\" enough to live up to people's expectations.\n\nI think it's held up better than almost any other post-Beatles solo work, in my opinion.", "God John Lennon was such a cunt hahaha", "They dont make fun of him what are you talking about", "Did you watch the doc? He was obviously upset and left the band shortly after.", "I mean its a vague insult but it can have hard definitions for some people. Like for instance the original commenter may have the definition of \"shit human\" be someone who abandons their kid.", "Or Something, or Here Comes the Sun.\n\nDude was limited to a few tracks an album and said fuck it I'll just make them mostly classics.", "Not saying it was caused by one event. Just saying he was bothered by it despite being part of “the silent generation” whatever that means.", "That's been my opinion, as well. All Things Must Pass is better than everything else the rest of the guys did after the Beatles.\n\nPaul was really milquetoast.\n\nJohn was just a fucking spectacle who had some decent albums.\n\nAll Things Must Pass is a masterpiece.", "Did you think I meant \"People from silent generation did not get upset like we do?\"", "That’s what you were implying yes.", "\\\\\\SPOILER ALERT\\\\* Not really, because George ended up angrily leaving the band for a few days, then talked into coming back.", ">These guys are not fragile. Behind that hippie lifestyle they are rough working-class dudes.\n\nDo you think you can just gaslight reddit?", "I am having a great deal of difficulty interpreting what you wrote any other way.", "It's just John. He's giving him a hard time about the tone of the song. \"We're a rock and roll band\"", "What a prick John turned into. Like, a huge prick. (I'm sure the heroin and the Yoko didn't help.)", "Preach!", "This scene moved me to tears. When he sings ”all through your life” after they’ve just mocked him is indescribable sounding", "How did you manage to counter your own argument this hard?", "Not really, John wasn’t in the country while they decided to record this one and said that they could do it by themselves. George had more conflicts with Paul, that’s why Wah Wah it’s a song, and John was the one that kept with the other beatles after the break up, with Ringo (produced his album Goodnight Viena and made a commercial for him) and George (Imagine sessions and The Concert of Bangladesh) they even listened together Paul’s album, RAM, in a party they set for themselves.", "Mocking others music was more about competitiveness than hatred. They would all mock each other’s songs, John would say Paul make some granny’s music and George would say Paul should focus on doing more introspective lyrics and not music for 14 year old kids." ]	66	videos	George Harrison trying to debut "I Me Mine" while Paul and John make fun of him.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7ufv3/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r7ufv3/deleted_by_user/	[ "Yes", "Does it though?", "Yep, it also turns you gay. My wife found out and now she's leaving me.", "Get the anti-vax bullshit out of here. The paper has tons of holes. Most of which is they are measuring a PULS score not heart attacks. The increase they claim is well within their own margin of error.\n\nNothing statistically significant and the paper's publisher says it contains potential errors.\n\nhttps://fullfact.org/health/covid-vaccines-heart-disease/", "No", "That's on you. You should have tried the poly route." ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/HfcKCk6vPCE	/r/videos/comments/r7vafg/food_scientist_ann_reardon_exposing_super_weird/	[ "Don't worry, YouTube has removed the ability to see the number of dislikes, so now nobody will know that the cooking video that they watched will actually teach them how to horribly scar themselves for the rest of their lives!", "Ann Reardon’s channel is one of the few channels on YouTube that I subscribe to. I enjoy how she explains things, and her debunk videos are always interesting.", "those cooking videos with stories are super strange", "youtube needs a competitor", "Definitely gives me flashbacks to the whole [Spiderman v Frozen Elsa](https://mashable.com/article/spiderman-elsa-youtube-kids-videos) thing that swept through Youtube Kids a few years back.", "WTF with the story telling?! YouTube is a cesspool.", "Man, that thumbnail thing is some bullshit. Also, wtf at those bizarre stories during those videos.", "When I saw the woman pour bleach over her chicken wings, I felt my whole body cringe.", "YouTube should delete comment everywhere so that things get even worse\n\nThat’s what they want", "If you put in some of the narration into google with quotes, you'll find some facebook pages that host the same audio with cartoon videos attached to them. No idea the source of these stories or what, but these channels are clearly harvesting the audio from other shit and playing it over their generic videos.", "I think at this point, considering how little youtube actually polices the platform and how often kids seem to get targeted for this weird shit, you should never let your young kids watch youtube unsupervised. Ever.", "nationalize youtube", "I'm pretty sure it's to get people to keep watching because they'll want to hear the rest of the story. It's wild stuff, all the manipulative techniques people employ. And the bootleg Amazon book she talks about later was also pretty eye opening. Ironically, Amazon has become a pretty terrible place to buy books. I haven't seen fake books like the one she shows, but I have found and received books from like on-demand printers who send really cheaply bound paperback books, often with bizarre letter sizes and poor quality covers that were definitely from a jpeg they found online and blew up.", "\"Cake Story\" sounds like a toned down version of Elsagate.", "I think she's taking the cake story videos way too seriously.\n\nThey don't sound like stories for kids but not everything needs to be for kids...", "Soon they'll go full circle and we're just watching flow-tv on youtube, only tailored directly to our user preferences, without us having any ability to interact.", "I've never had any problems poaching an egg in the microwave.\n\nMain thing is - it depends on the doneness. If you're gonna cook it to hell and make the yolk solid then, yeah you're gonna have a bad time. It's fine if your goal is to _not cook the yolk_. A runny yolk and just cooked whites is about as much as you should expect to be able to do safely in the microwave, which is perfect for egg bennys.\n\nI don't advocate this cooking method if you don't understand how this process/a microwave works. Just like any other tool in the kitchen, if used incorrectly you can seriously injure yourself.\n\nFor reference what I use is a 1200W microwave, microwave safe plastic tupperware, a cold egg, hot water. I happen to have a hot water dispenser which I think is key to this method and it being quick. If you have to boil water to do this, then you might as well do this on the stove. If you happen to have boiled a kettle for your coffee/tea though, then this might still be viable.\n\nThe temperature difference is what helps prevent the yolk from cooking. The already hot water should start cooking the egg white as soon as it touches. When microwaving, you're only doing it in short 20-30s bursts (depending on your wattage) and the goal is get the water just a bit hotter to continue cooking the white. After one burst, turn the egg over. Two runs with a pause in the middle to turn the egg should be enough to cook the whites. I wouldn't do a third as the longer the egg sits in the water the more likely the yolk will warm up. If you want it more done, just let it rest in the water longer without microwaving. At no point you want a rolling boil in the water.", "I think maybe you didn't pay attention. These videos are targeted towards children.", "I've seen that video popping up all over reddit these past few days and IMO it has to be rage bait to get people to comment and share the video.", "Wouldn't surprise me if they already delete certain, specific comments for whatever reasons they have.", "I mean, letting kids on the internet unsupervised (really young, not teenagers or anything) just seems like a bad idea in general. There's a TON of shit to get into on the internet, whether it's \"accidentally\" making purchases on apps, talking to strangers who might have malicious intentions, or seeing content the parent would probably prefer their child didn't see.", "She seems kind.", "yep, over in /r/stupidfood we've learned about the trend in people posting \"rage inducing\" food recipe vid/gifs where people post purposefully bad things so people share them saying how bad it is.\n\nfucking hell, i even caught one of my regular youtube channels doing it. it was one i had watched on and off for years for posting good cooking videos. all of a sudden, they posted one which seemed a bit odd, then i see them sprinkling frozen mixed vegetables on pizza? what the fucking..........oh, they're doing this as a rage bait video. wow, fucking low guys. thats fucking low.", "How To Cook That is such a great channel!!!", "I'm envious of any person who can look at an impending disaster and still say \"Let's see how this turns out\" with a positive attitude. \n\n\"This is gonna catch fire and ruin my microwave for these six reasons, but let's see if we can replicate what FoodHackerCHannelDailyVids got.\"", "Fudge Drops Recipe:\n\nAhh fudge drops, one of the most despised cookies from childhood. Why did I hate them? It was September 22nd, 1996. I was 11 years old. My younger sister Cecilia (age 6), cousins on my father's side Margaret (age 10), and Billy (age 12) were heading to my house to spend the afternoon with my family.\n\nThey had recently moved across town and were now a 47 minute drive without traffic, it was tough for me when they moved from down the street to being so far away. There weren't many children who lived in my neighborhood. We lived in a more classically styled neighborhood so many of the people who lived there were older, or had children much younger than myself.\n\nCecilia wasn't much of a play partner due to the age gap. I wanted to play Dream Phone the board game and with my LEGO Black Seas Barracuda set but all she wanted to do was play with Barbies. Earlier that year I had been shocked as I had just learned that Captain Ironhook had gotten his own LEGO sets. How could they do this to Captain Redbeard? My young heart was broken, were they friends? Were they enemies? I didn't know, but my loyalties remained with Captain Redbeard and John from Dream Phone.\n\nNow that my cousins lived across town we got together very rarely and I was always curious to see if they were still driving their 1989 Honda Accord. I didn't know much about cars in those days but I remembered their Honda Accord, it was safe, required little maintenance, and they kept it clean as they were a one car family which I believe was due to my Uncle's job as a drainage inspector for the city. Little did I know at the time that they were simply good with their money, and the drainage inspector job offered a full pension.\n\nOn this day traffic was heavy, instead of taking 47 minutes to get to our house where Captain Redbeard and his crew awaited their arrival they took over an hour. I had eagerly stared out the window for over an hour after they called our Mickey Mouse landline phone. Where were they? Why had it been so long. Finally they arrived, but Captain Redbeard would have to wait, as my cousin Margaret ran in to the house she screamed that she needed the bathroom, but so did the rest of the family.\n\nApparently something they had eaten gave them all food poisoning but our house only had 2 bathrooms. Suddenly there was fecal matter in our main hall, the smell was overwhelming, and it looked like someone had thrown fudge drops against the wall, the floor, and the door. To this day I can't help but smile when I think of Captain Redbeard and my ruined date with John from Dream Phone every time I make these Fudge Drops. I can remember the smell of poo every time I open the oven to take these out and get a glimpse of their shiny not quite hardened texture as I let them rest. They're a true classic from my childhood, and I don't know why I waited so long to make these again.\n\nCopy and pasted recipe from Allrecipes with a minor modification here", "Who, THE FUCK, watches cooking videos with someone telling a random ass story? Is this some kind of new ASMR?" ]	31	videos	Food Scientist Ann Reardon Exposing SUPER WEIRD Cake Story Channels on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcBjgnCxo9g	/r/videos/comments/r7vqzj/rate_my_takeaway_santas_takeaway_official_music/	[ "He's a great guy. But this song you could take away.", "Yeah he's admitted it's bad but that's pretty much expected for Xmas singles in the UK. I think he did say they're donating all the proceeds from the song to charity though. \n \nhttps://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/people/rate-my-takeaway-star-danny-malin-to-release-cheesy-charity-single-in-bid-for-christmas-number-one-3480280", "\"I'm hanging with my mate, the polar bear. Let's have some dinner at my table and chair. Good job he's brushed his hair. Now we'll wash our hands and sit over there.\"" ]	3	videos	Rate My Takeaway - Santa's Takeaway (Official Music Video)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtrwGylMpQE	/r/videos/comments/r7x5py/rlm_star_wars_isnt_special_anymore/	[ "Disney ruined Star Wars, for me anyway.", "Disney ruins everything. Disgusting company.", "Episode 1 didn't do that for ya?", "Any movie/sequel/prequel where I know the financial backers have a big boner and are going \"auto-blockbuster\" is a serious turn-off for me.", "\"children cheer\" I stopped watching after that. lol", "For me personally (not who you asked), I was 17 at the time. Probably my peak fandom at that point, riding the high of seeing Special Editions in the theater years before. I wasn't really disappointed with any of them. I was more disappointed with the sequel trilogy, but not to the point of boiling rage.\n\nI'm not going to kid myself; nothing will match or exceed the love I had for Star Wars in the 90's. So that may have helped, especially these past several years.", "The prequels and sequel trilogy were both disappointing in different ways for me. I don’t have any interest in Star Wars anymore and that’s fine. \n\nI’ll always remember the OG trilogy fondly and whatever Disney does from here on out is.. whatever.\n\nEdit: autocorrect correction.", "Lucas ruined Star Wars with Episode VI get over it", "The behind the scenes for the new trilogy feel like propaganda to watch a movie you just watched.", "With Rick's what?", "If RLM didn't complain about Star Wars they wouldn't have a channel, it's all rage click bait for sad nerds (not all nerds are sad, nerds that obsess and gate keep fandoms are sad)", "Somehow Palpatine returned = somehow we made shit.", "the shit you mean", "The last Star Wars video they made was made in January almost two years ago and it was a positive review of the Mandalorian. That's hardly living off of Star Wars rage. Maybe you're just a nerd who is mad that they insulted your favorite brand.", "I'd say that Rogue One was actually really good.", "No. The prequels still had the deepest lore and a soulful charm. The sequels just felt like AI generated films", ">gate keep\n\nDo yall even know what that word means?", "I watched this through. Like, I got the impression of some toxic adult shit in this. As if adults aren't allowed to have fun.\n\n\"what are you doing, enjoying yourself? Enjoying some series? haha loser\"\n\nThat's the mentality. Maybe I picked it up wrong, whole video is just sad.\n\nI say this as someone, that ain't a star wars fan lmao. Let them have fun. God.\n\nEdit: Downvote and explain why cowards.", "on one hand the clips they are showing are a bit cringy but on the other hand just let people have fun.", "There's a corporate strategy to turn brands into religions which fill the void in people's lives that religion normally filled. People get caught up in the marketing that if you are excited about this product, you can now join a loving community. This is super creepy and not healthy for society in the long run, or individuals. They won't find the contentment that is promised. \n\nhttps://img.ifunny.co/images/cb3e3fdac1e137657a1728d9cbfc933d2ba92dfe9186bf40c5ce5f56efda084b_1.jpg", "Rogue One and The Mandalorian are the best things that Disney has done with Star Wars.", "I agree. It's also a very confusing message. \"Star Wars is not special anymore\" makes no sense with the rest of the video. \n\nThe video spends so much time hammering on the point that the there is a fanbase that's overly invested emotionally, and that Disney spends a lot of effort cultivating that relationship. So it would make sense if the point was that actual movie is sacrificed in order to create that relationship. But that doesn't seem to be the point they're making. Instead it's what you're pointing out. They're chastising people for their obsession, while justifying their own obsession.", "Dude she’s appealing to the Disney execs. She doesn’t care about the franchise. She just cares about the investors at Disney so she can become ceo one day", "It was when The Force Awakens released that I realized I missed the prequels.", "They fly now!", "No worries, enjoy your Friday!", "there was a VERY brief period where I enjoyed watching these guys, but I came the realize that they are just SO fucking negative, about EVERY movie. \n\nThe schtick gets old super quick, I tried to watch the one for ghost busters afterline, but they were talking about how it was the worst movie they had ever seen.\n\nlike I get it, you guys are sophisticated movie critics and only enjoy haughty fare, i'm out.", "Bold statement", "But isn't this just where people went to and the corporations just followed?\n\nSo there were conventions for comics/scifi with no corporate support and it was just \"adults acting like children\". Now that the corporations support it and have big productions for it its now some plot to make it a religion? \n\nI think its up to each person what they consume. If they want to travel and watch a trailer in person, fine. If you don't - no one is even forcing you to watch the movie. Star Wars could be just episodes IV, V and VI and thats it if you chose to do so. \n\nDisney bought Star Wars not to turn it into a religion but because it was already one.", "Its because that movie fucking sucked.", "[Or....](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/489/949/54f.jpg)", "They have things they like, and they talk very positively about those things. But like anyone who studied a particular medium (or \"anyone with a hobby you don't share\"), they will find fault with things that are not important to the majority of people.\n\nThey're \"sophisticated movie critics\" who love b-movies (and StarTrek). They seem to like a sincere effort to tell a story or do something interesting, and don't like making movies just for the money or awards. \n\nWhich also means: I tend to hate movies they like and like movies that annoy them.", "IT BROKE NEW GROUND!!!!", "I think they've done a nice job spotlighting some movies they enjoyed I otherwise wouldn't have watched in the Half in the Bag series. Re:View is usually saved for things they enjoyed as well.", "Ghostbusters afterlife is pretty bad though. It's just hollow nostalgia and doesn't stand at all on its own.", "Hit a nerve, did he?", "yes, there's plenty of BTS for phantom menace and it includes some funny scenes. Lucas screens the film and there's awkward silence. People start criticizing it, like the pacing issues of going from whacky scenes to serious. Lucas says he may have gone too far in some areas. It's a very real very genuine thing.", "RLM shows clips from the BTS stuff in their videos. Basically, everyone was aware of the flaws, but no one would say \"no\" to Lucas.", "I mean so does your mom, but people keep showing up.", "Not that bold if you only count the stuff they've done after 1983", "I was in pretty much the exact same spot. I remember standing in line outside the theatres for a couple of hours to get tickets for the Special Editions. At that point, there hadn’t been anything “real Star Wars” for literally fifteen years, and my head was full of novels and comics explaining the broader universe.\n\nThe Phantom Menace mostly confused me, as it was clearly not showing me the Star Wars I had read. It wasn’t really self-serious or concerned with broader implications. Jar-Jar? Some random magic kid? I stumbled on through the other two, but it broke my dang heart, and I largely disengaged with the fandom after that.\n\nIt took the Clone Wars TV show to pull me back in, and as an adult I’m now better-able to disengage from the parts I don’t like and accept the parts that I do. I once again count myself as “into Star Wars” even if I don’t love everything about it.", "Movie franchises = Pro sports franchises\n\nFan = customer\n\nTo me, that is bad. Movies are a bit more insidious because unlike sports, they don't even occur in real time, in real life. At least with sports, like with theater, or live music, the exhilaration of performance is real--but sports are still a ripoff unless you're at home, getting comp'd, or somehow profiting. Honestly, why would anyone buy a shirt with someone's else's name on it for $100, or a \"commemorative boxed set\" of a movie one has already seen and can see again for free, anytime, to have it sit on a shelf as a monument to consumerism?", "[Sam Witwer agrees.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJTsQEoIcvA)", "And they are also apart of it.", "For all the faults the prequels had the music at least was memorable (in some cases better than the OT). Except for maybe Rey's theme I can't hum or remember a single other new piece of music from the sequels.", "Dude, get those ewoks out of your head (or at least start charging them rent).", "Manchild is mad that people made fun of his star wars :(", "It was all downhill after that scene with the blaster shot in stasis. That was dope.", "yeah, imo: the prequels weren't well made and i don't want to see them again but they and the clone wars show enriched the star wars universe. the star was universe felt like a bigger, cooler place because of them.\n\nthe sequels were well made and well acted but they didn't enrich the star wars universe and arguable made it poorer. for me personally, the decisions made make me enjoy the first six movies less, because i know it is all pointless, it all just gets undone and then done over again.\n\ni'm not trying to hate, i'm genuinely happy for people that loved the sequels, i'm a dad and i hope my own kids enjoy them. but for me, that's how i see it.", "Marvels done well under them. Though this video might be Marvel 20 years in the future.", "Why?", "all the star wars takes, this is my least favorite. ROTJ and Rogue One and Solo were all good, and you can throw in Revenge of the Sith there and Force Awakens (I wouldn't but you could). as a sequel hater, i would rather here big theories on why they aren't actually bad then \"everything is shit\"", "Have you watched any of the LEGO Star Wars stuff? It's pretty awesome, too.", "Agreed, although the Mandalorian theme is memorable. In general, I think Disney's done a better job with the media outside of the new trilogy.", "that was the worst part of the entire thing. Palpatine comes back and a million ships fly out of the ground. \n\ncan you at least make a space port and show ships being built? \n\nIt's like disney pulls out something we are nostalgic for and rapes it and leaves you to watch it suffer.", "It's a three minute clip from an hour long discussion.", "I'm not just talking about Star Wars.\n\nThe abomination that was the Hobbit is worse than any Star Wars movies because it was a novel that they butchered for money.", "...says the guy who got his start making a seventy minute review of a Star Wars movie. \n\nBut seriously. The complaint about \"grown men in costume cheering for a movie they're going to hate\" is as old as Star Trek.", "This kind of thing, like what's your answer for it?\n\nThe biggest example I can provide is Football clubs. You're essentially calling for the end of Football clubs due to how much they integrate into peoples lives.\n\nAnd I agree with you, but you won't win the majority over with that if you don't give people an alternative.\n\n\nPeople like to talk to others that think the same as them and like the same as them. Why would I a Person of Interest fan want to discuss anything with a Geordie Shore fan.", "I know. Some parts of that movie had me so excited that we were going to see something different and something great. Then we got something very familiar, something entirely different (from what had just happened), and then something really, stinkingly dumb.", "At this point, let star wars stay in shows. They're way better than any movie.", "The prequels were bad but at least they tried to stay true to Star Wars while still trying to make new stuff. The sequels just felt so heartless and disjointed that they never really felt like they were a part of the Star Wars universe to me. Felt more like a alternate world clone.", "I gave Episode 1 a pass solely for Duel of the Fates. There hasn't been any new iconic soundtrack music since then.", "But its just extended level of immersion. When people comment like these guys, it looks like they don't fully get it.", "Rogue One had a really good space battle at the end. But the characters, story, and overall script were just bad", "I think all of us have one thing in our lives that we would be excited to watch a trailer for with 50,000 other fans. Be it another movie series, anime, musical artist, sports team or video game. Star Wars fans are just the luckiest among us in the amount of these kinds of events they get nowadays.", "I would think the investors want a good film so that it does well not only at the box office but long after it’s out of theaters because of it being so good.", "People can still enjoy something that other people criticize.\n\nIt's a pretty stupid take to think that nobody is allowed to say anything bad about a Disney product because some people don't feel the same way.", "That's because the prequels were written by George Lucas. The sequels were written by Disney accountants.", "Rogue One is an utter snoozefest aside from the last 25 minutes", "[Or...](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/489/969/c16.png)", "Honestly there was nothing wrong with the script. Everyone always looks at the OT with seriously rose tinted glasses. I love them but the scripts and story of the films are generic AF. The first movie is just a boiler plate hero's journey.\n\nThe expanded universe was essential to filling out the universe that was only touched upon in the movies but together they made for an excellent setting.", "There's a joke from a few years ago on twitter (that I can't find now): 'They should just start naming the Star Wars movies after the year and fiscal quarter of their release. Star Wars: 2021 Q4. Star Wars: 2023 Q1.'", "Come on, Rian Johnson, don't you have 5 more trilogies to direct?", "[They've been using them since the clone wars\"](https://youtu.be/ssKDlDvyWc0?t=37)", "25 seconds (Vader scene)", "The revisionism of the prequels is really weird. They suck ass", "https://youtu.be/FxKtZmQgxrI\n\nEnjoy. There's also one for episodes 2 and 3 and it's one of the best breakdowns of why the prequels sucked so bad.", "I UNDERSTOOD THIS REFERENCE AND I CLAAAAAAPPED!!", "Someone once asked me if I liked star wars. I said \"I am a huge Star Wars fan! I just don't like Episodes 1,2,3,7,8,9, rogue one, solo, or the mandalorian\". So, I guess I'm not a huge star wars fan...", "I’ve been thinking for awhile that the problem with Star Wars, Pokémon reboots, Live Action retelling, all of these things is that they don’t restore your childhood, and we really wish they would. \n\nLike, I’ll never get to play Chrono Trigger for the first time ever again. It’ll never be the summer of 1995 again. I’ll never go to Blockbuster again. I’ll never find one line copy of the three available sitting in the shelf. I’ll never rent it for a lark and promptly discover fucking ART. I’ll never hear the music for the first time. I’ll never be in a place where I have nothing to do but inhale that game again. \n\nFor you it’s something different. But whatever it is, somebody is trying to find a way to sell it to you again and they just can’t. The tragedy is they probably really want to do a good job, but it’ll never be 1983 again, you’ll never be sitting there as a little kid with your little popcorn watching Luke fight Vader above Endor for the first time again. \n\nWhat Disney needs to do is figure out how to make a pill that gives you that feeling again. It would save a lot of money on production costs but it would put a lot of actors out of work.", "Going by the new trailer for it, the new star wars hotel they're building looks like it's also going to be a complete disaster.\n\nKeep in mind it's [$6000 usd for a family of 4](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpyi_I9316Q)", "Yeah, Episode 7 I was like 'well it's kind of a rehash but it was nice to see the gang again.'\n\nEpisode 8 made me angry, it felt like the director hated either star wars or the fans.\n\nWith Episode 9, I genuinely did not give a fuck, I watched it, shook my head and forgot about it 🤷‍♂️\n\nedit: I messed up the episode numbers 🤦‍♂️", "Listening to the cast talk was literally more enjoyable than the entire Movie 9", "Right, but she botched it. I don't think Disney is cool with just churning out garbage. Disney does actually care about their IP. \n\nLook at marvel, nearly every movie could be total garbage, but around Avengers 2 they started trying harder, taking risks, and being interesting. Guardians was a risk. Deadpool was a risk. Endgame was somehow actually good (against all odds).", "Same, nothing is ever going to be like those 40 year old films so why even expect anything like them? It's so much easier to accept that maybe I'm not as big of a Star Wars fan as I thought than to put myself through disappointment after disappointment", "I'd pay money to see if Twitch Rewrites Star Wars produces a better Sequel Trilogy than Disney did.", "I think they could pull off a movie, but they need to cut the Skywalker saga off. Tell another story. There's literally thousands of years and an entire galaxy of characters worth of material to pull from but they've only told stories within a 50 year timeframe revolving around one family. \n\nTell a story from the Old Republic, tell a story of an ancient Sith, do an avant-garde film about the Tuskan Raiders completely in Tuskan with no subtitles, just do something worthwhile.", "I've been a die hard Marvel fan for forever, and everything's getting to the point where yeah...Marvel isn't special anymore either", "Yes, but, Star Wars Episode 5 is considered one of the greatest films of all time. Consistently hits the top 50 charts", "Which is wild because the Mandalorian is the epitome of pandering fanservice with zero substance.", "There's a difference between not enjoying something and shitting on someone for enjoying something.", "There's a difference between \"Disney totally shit the bed with Star Wars\" and \"the people that enjoy this shit are children.\"", "Who is saying they don’t suck?", "Yep. Same that people get so defensive over these pop culture things.\nEdit: see!", "Prequel Memes", "TBF they are more complaining about the fans than the product", "Exactly what someone mired in a cult would say. :)", "That ultimately turned me off to both Star Wars and Marvel. The fanbase has become rather difficult to engage with, particularly with criticisms", "I'm more disappointed in the prequel, mostly because they botched Vader for me. And they were so close. If you told me Vader was a rescued slave whose mother died in bondage I'd be like \"Yeah, i get why he's full of anger\".\n\nInstead he was a happy-go-lucky pod racing slave and the whole thing was a bad love story wrapped around a misunderstanding.\n\nEP1 should have ended with a 16 year old vader force choking out watto to free his mom, while his mom looks on shocked. Power=Justice and all that.\n\nThe sequels were just a bad series to me. But it didnt change what I thought about the main characters (although i do hate TLJ)", "Oh, man. I’m too old. I don’t even know what that memes. Ha. Did I mention I’m also a dad?", "I'm glad I hated TLJ because TRoS was just a laugh for me. I had stopped caring at that point and had 0 hope that Disney would put out something with half decent writing, so I sat in the theatre feeling obligated to finish the \"trilogy\" and laughed my way through half the movie.\n\nThe first 10 minutes of TRoS were just marvelous. It was like watching a train wreck in fast motion.", "All the tech and landscapes on Naboo were pretty great too\n\nParticularly I liked the gungan weaponry, and we all know those Naboo ships are slick AF", "Yeah, they really made the universe feel empty. The whole idea that \"the new order\" or whatever just showed up out of nowhere just bothers me.", "But that 70 minutes was more entertaining than any combined 70 minutes of Star Wars movies since ROTJ.", "There's a reason why so many of Disney's Star Wars TV pitches are around the time of the prequels/shortly afterwards, with nothing in the sequel era at all. The latter just isn't interesting in any way.", "Yeah.. purely speculating here because I’m pretty far from a psychologist. But it’s almost like you attack people’s identity when you tell them your sick of Star Wars and they really love it. Like.. who cares what I think of it, enjoy it!", "kettle meet pot.", "No worries, sometimes I forget not everyone is as young as I am", "The weird thing is that those Star Wars sequels didn't have to be as depressing as they were.\n\nThe prequels were bad but it had stuff you could talk about, like what's with all the trade talk, Qui Gon is cool, Obi Wan is great, why is Anakin a child that can already fly and destroy starships and so on.\n\nThe sequels have nothing, they try nothing, and coast off of the name alone and John Williams. We have seen those types of movies hundreds of times, and when you have an established franchise with a built in fanbase it should encourage more risk taking not less.", "It's garbage", "they have a huge example of successful universe building with Marvel. I don't even care about having a new trilogy, just enclosed interesting and exciting stories set ANYWHERE in the universe. Like you said, there are thousands of years and an entire galaxy to explore here. Yet they continue to shoehorn into Skywalker saga ages (minus High Republic).", "Going to prequel memes for the first times were such a weird experience. I thought everyone was making fun of the movies because how bad they are, but it turns out everyone loves them. \n\nI even decided to give them a second watch, thinking maybe I was wrong about them. They still suck.", "They like it the way people like B movies, everyone knows the writing is awful, yet the movies still have a fun charm to them.", "This was me. EP7 I thought was well executed but lazy. But there was room for something cool. Then TLJ just thought that \"starwars is stupid, hero's are stupid, you watching this is stupid\". And I didnt really care about the last one.", "Maybe the sequels will get the same treatment eventually. I hate sand will be somehow Palpatine returned. Or maybe it won't be.", "I was gonna say, who was a 'Star Wars fan' through a planet falling on Chewie, or the 4th Palpy clone, or Han Solo fighting an otter man, or Ewok Adventures, or Super Bombad Racing, or any of the other bullshit did with the Star Wars brand?\n\nPeople act like Disney made Star Wars into a money grubbing whore... Guys, Lucas pimped her out WELL before the mouse got her.", "Yeah, i dont get the love for Rogue One. It was meh. Besides the droid I didnt like any character.", "holup...", "I still need to finish Clone Wars. I'm only in S1. I really want to experience all of that and Rebels. I've heard great things about some story arcs. One day I'll binge it.", "No, there is no hope for the sequels. You can polish a turd, but you can't polish diarrhea.", "Well, yeah but it was trashing EP1. It's not like he's altered his message.", "Not the sequels, but personally the one piece of music that has stuck out for me is the Imperial Suite from Rogue One.\n\nI actually thought Rogue One was a pretty boring, bland movie. But the Imperial Suite is so good. It feels like it's force choking you. The Imperial March is triumphant. The Imperial Suite is suffocating.", "Ha, that's what people said about the prequals. Hence, revisionism", "I saw ep.1,2,3 in theatres. Kids no have some weird affection for them but they were utter dogshit and that was Lucas. The sequels were equally different dogshit.\n\nThe Mandalorian is I think the first thing outside the games I truly enjoyed and that was also disney so...", "yeah I am a dumbass and put in the numbers wrong", "Going to guess you meant Episode 7, 8, and 9.\n\nEpisode 4 is A New Hope, 5 is Empire strikes back, and 6 is Return of the Jedi.", "Any story they could have told with the kids was taken away when the nostalgia turned up to save the day. And be animated corpse creepy.", "I think a lot of people are also endeared to the prequels somewhat because it's more than just the movies at face value to many of them. People who grew up with them may be more biased anyway, but this stuff has been expanded on in books, tabletop stuff, tv shows, videogames, the list goes on. \n\nThere's so much more to the prequel era than just the movies that I think people are more attached to that chapter of Star Wars than they would otherwise be if it was just* the trilogy and nothing else. \n\nYou look at stuff like the Clone Wars tv show and Genndy Tartakovsky's movie, or the Battlefront/Lego Star Wars videogames or whatever, and people have had a lot more time and opportunities to develop an attachment to the prequel stuff than someone who just watches and discusses the trilogy on its own stand-alone merits. \n\nIt's possible to have spent tens or hundreds of hours with the prequel era over multiple years based on stuff that released long after the movies were done. Some people view the prequels more fondly because they've been a foundation for and even enhanced by other media that has released since. If you haven't been subjected to all that other media, though, it's impossible to see why it's beloved through their own viewpoint, because what it is to them and what it is to you becomes objectively different.", "Agreed. I like the lived in look/return to the OT visual style, and I think Felicity Jones is one of the finest actors to ever lead a Star Wars film.\n\nBut fuck was it boring. I literally fell asleep in the theatre and that has never happened to me before. The characters were so bland. It was like Star Wars Generic Team Up #6. \n\nWhen I read they were making a Cassian Andor series, I thought, huh, I don't remember which planet that is. Turns out it's Diego Luna's character in that movie. I couldn't remember his name, or anything about him really, despite seeing the movie twice, because he's so bland.", "Idk how anyone could watch TLJ and be surprised the third movie was a clusterfuck.\n\nLike, we’re y’all fucking pumped to see what the sorta power hungry, not so evil Kylo Ren would do with his little army? Or watch Rey revive the Jedi order in a few years?\n\nTHAT was supposed to be the driving force of the climatic third movie in a trilogy? It had nowhere to go plot wise, especially not for a closer for a trilogy.\n\nTRoS was exactly as bad as it should have been. I’ll take random palpatine over trying to make Kylo Ren the main threat after spending so much time showing him to be sort of neutral and not at all evil", "I've been saying it for years, we need Behind The Jizz: The Max Rebo Story.", "This video pretty much explained how I feel about Star Wars, I used to be one of those people that watched the cartoons, loved the movies, got excited for them, watched fan theories and all that shit, then Disney came along and that mouse tore that I loved to shreds. Now I enjoy baby yoda memes and The Mandaloraian and that's about all. I don't like how sour I've gotten about Star Wars but like the guy said at the end, its not special anymore.", "The final season of Clone Wars is fantastic too.", "The animated series have been pretty amazing, as well. Rebels, Bad Batch, Clone Wars...", "I’ll be on the other side of the fence I guess. These guys make solid points when they shit on a film. I mean… they mostly pick bad blockbusters to review. I guess you could say they pick low hanging fruit. But nothing is surface with these guys. They go in depth on why something is cheaply written and poorly conceived. \n\nAnyway, big blockbusters today are mostly generic reskins of other movies. If you’re old enough to have watched the originals of these things in the theater back in the 70’s and 80’s like me… including Ghostbusters… they all feel boring and generic. \n\nIf you are younger and don’t have the same context… yeah, I can see how you’d be out of step with these guys.", "Its very much fomo and cultlike mentality. Like me sitting in the breakroom at work and hearing my colleagues talk about whats gonna happen in the new spiderman movie and knowing absolutely nothing about 90% of the source material makes me cringe so forking hard. Its like kindergarden students talking about physics. I have about a thousand comics on my bookshelves and I cannot for the life of me engage with these “fans”. People are desperately looking for something to be part of while I just want a good forking movie. I literally did not care for Black Widow, I havent even seen the Eternals but other people who know nothing about these things will rush to the theaters just to claim “they have already seen it” I hate every bit of it.", "I don't even know how to follow movie fandoms. There's just soooo many Star Wars. And some of it has nothing to do with the rest of it.\n\nImagine ordering a burger and it shows up 18 inches tall with birthday candles floating in soup and you have chopsticks. It's like 'where do I start?';", "Aw I thought Mando was great. With you on the rest, minus the final battle of Rogue One, that tickled my nostalgia fancy perfectly after a mostly boring first 3/4s", ".I'm in the minority but I think age of Ultron was the best avengers movie. Ultron is my favorite villain.\n\nResearch the internet for a few days n decide humanity is bullshit.", "TLJ threw everything the first movie setup in the garbage and people were surprised the trilogy felt like shit. Can't bin the first act in the second act and expect the third act to make it better.", "Fantastic take on this.", "But for real… there’s a bunch of memes out there that prop up the prequels as great films?", "Hopefully the High Republic gets a movie and/or series. I think that would be a nice fresh story that is far far away from Skywalker", "I despise propaganda which isn't even veiled at all anymore. I'd have 100 times more oversimplifications to make the movie more palatable for masses, than the political crap that destroyed good movie franchises (Star Wars obviously is one of the cases) and promising TV shows (Westworld anyone?).", "> It's a pretty stupid take to think that nobody is allowed to say anything bad about a Disney product because some people don't feel the same way.\n\nDo you really not see the irony there?", "Sort of. A lot of them enjoy them ironically, some genuinely like them, some don't like then. That's probably the descending sizes of the groups in r/prequelmemes. A significant chunk is also just using quotes from the films to make normal memes and shit on the sequels", "Wow, way to insult the last 4 episodes of Clone Wars.\n\nAnd the Mandalorian got stupid repetitive and fan servicey that it was ruined for me.", "Limiting excitement to 'children', is same as limiting any other emotion to children. As if you are supposed to grow out of it.", "If they gave the directors more creative freedom and less corporate, committee bullshit, sure. The Marvel treatment wouldn't be bad if they went for different eras. Still think anything involving the Old Republic would be just fine as a show or miniseries though.", "The leadership didn't care. They thought that Star Wars just sold itself, and it's just dumb kids films anyways. No one on staff really believed in the stories, or characters, or myth making or anything.", "It goes beyond that and they actually have some sympathy for him too.\n\nLucas created a really strong vision of the Star Wars universe and a fantastic movie in A New Hope. The problem is, he never really seemed to want to direct himself. He just wanted to create this universe and guide the story. On TESB, he had to talk Irvin Kershner into doing it as he was very reluctant to direct the sequel to what was the biggest movie on Earth at the time. When ROTJ came around he approached like 4 different directors, including David Lynch, who did not want to do it -- because how the fuck do you follow up The Empire Strikes Back? That is a TON of pressure. Richard Marquand was like his fourth or fifth choice, and the point is George went through that many people and still did not direct himself.\n\nA New Hope was Lucas' third movie as director and it was his last for 20+ years.\n\nThen when the prequels came around he went all over looking for people to direct. He asked a bunch of people including Zemeckis, Spielberg, and Ron Howard to direct the prequels and they all said no because it was an enormously tall order... so George ended up doing it himself.", "Uh… what political crap are you talking about? Like internal corporate politics or real world politics?", "It would be better to say you need to get past the first season. The first season is the most annoying and “kiddie-oriented” one, and Ahsoka is generally annoying (intentionally apparently, because even space-wizard teenagers are still teenagers).\n\nSeason 1 is still good for what it is, but it’s not hit its stride. Season 2 is better if still a bit distractable. From then on through to the end there’s just this meteoric rise in both storytelling quality and animation quality that easily makes it one of my favorite Star Wars things ever. It’s crazy how good it gets, and I wish I were in your shoes to see it again for the first time.", "I'm not calling for the end of them, I'm saying they're a sham. They won't provide the happiness they promise, and it's all a scam to sell merchandise. It's creepy corporate cults.", "Rlm is probably best known for their extremely long, multipart and extremely negative review of episode 1. They aren't praising the prequels, they're acknowledging that there was charm to them. The people who made the prequels were passionate about the property and wanted to continue it. That passion has been replaced by corporate curation. It's probably why the mandalorian is so well received, Favreau and his team are clearly passionate about the property. \n\nThe prequels are bad, but they aren't just a corporate product like the sequels.", "Jj: creates Kylo ren helmet\n\nRiann: smashes helmet\n\n\nJj: glues helmet back together", "I feel like some people are missing the point of what they’re saying because your falling into a basic fan vs non-fan trap. Forget about if you love Star Wars or not. They’re just saying that Star Wars used to be more rough around the edges and the first films were built without the expectations of fans world wide. And Disney’s purchase of Star Wars has changed the way these stories are told because instead of grumpy old George Lucas building out his own world… these stories are built by committee and engineered meticulously with things like conventions, toys, Rotten Tomatoes scores… all this other shit in mind. \n\nThey’re just saying the magic of the originals is gone. And they’re right. Most of the magic of movies from the 70’s and 80’s is dead. That world is gone. And it’s been taken over by corporations who use algorithms to pinpoint every move they make.", "You can enjoy something but blindly following it when there are glaring issues should be called out. It's honestly weird that the fan base is so strong despite the mediocrity that's been pushed out.", "For what it's worth, that comment was more aimed at Reddit. In the Prequels, the problem was George Lucas being given too much freedom, he clearly cared a lot if you look behind the scenes, he just made bad art.", "Both", "Luke drinking alien titty milk ruined it for me", "The prequels are awful movies but at least they have a soul", "It’s mostly people who grew up with them there. Phantom was over 20 years ago lol. That includes me but I still recognize ep3 is the only good one", "When Space Himmler was murdering all those people who wanted to live freely, that was amazing and I cheered with everyone else! Disney is so great to us Star Wars fans!\n\n/s", "any examples?", "Political crap in Star Wars?\n\nYou mean \"Only Sith deal in binaries?\"\n\nIf that's what has you bothered, that's hysterical.\n\nI've only watched the old Westworld not the new one.", "The prequels both told a coherent story and expanded the universe a ton. While the writing and acting is absolutely subpar, the endless content that has sprouted because of them is appreciated by a lot of people. Although the portrayal of Anakin Skywalker leaves much to be desired, giving life to the Jedi Order, the Clone Wars, and the rise of the Empire allowed for so much more content based upon canonical ideas and characters.\n\nThe same can't be said for the sequels. As another commenter mentioned, the sequels completely veered off on a tangent and hardly resemble anything like the OT. I recognize the irony in that statement since they basically soft rebooted the OT. Not only is there an unreconciled amount of time between the trilogies, the characters are so vastly different than their last appearance that they no longer feel like a continuation of the overarching storyline. The state of the galaxy with the First Order and the Resistance is deeply flawed at best and is essentially unexplained an unexplained plot device to mirror the OT.", "Time will tell if either the people are right or if the sequels will ever be looked upon fondly.", "Yup. I am a writer so I always view movies from that perspective and on that front TLJ was an absolute mess. It derailed everything before it and snipped off every plot thread it could find. More importantly, though, is that it didn't really offer many new of its own.\n\nAt the end of TLJ I was left thinking: what am I supposed to care about, here? What is left to resolve? The answer, in both cases, was pretty much nothing. That's why TRoS had to jam in 2 movies worth of setup in its first 10 minutes... it had nothing to work with.\n\nTLJ was a massive misstep, but IMO the best decision after its release would have been to abandon the idea of a \"sequel trilogy\" entirely. It was clear they never had any plan for it, and there was no way to wrap things up in a satisfying manner in one last movie because there was nothing to wrap up. If they had continued on, perhaps they could have developed an actual story there. But of course that'd take more time and more money and many fans had already been turned off... and there's no guarantee they would have pulled it off, either.\n\nI also think the stars were pretty clearly over it by that point and wanted out. None of them expressed any desire to return to Star Wars in the future.", "I could basically rewrite that for the sequels, only changing a few nouns", "Criticizing a franchise is not the same as criticizing the criticisms of a franchise.\n\nI agree that people should let others enjoy things. I don't agree that that should prevent those people from criticizing the things others enjoy. Both can simultaneously be true, since they're not the same thing. So there's nothing ironic here.\n\nTo put it another way: if this person criticized RLM for just being a bunch of salty old nerds, I wouldn't have anything to say. Instead they're suggesting RLM shouldn't say anything negative about Star Wars because some people like Star Wars and somehow criticizing Star Wars will prevent those people from enjoying it, which is stupid.", "I'm not sure what you mean, can you elaborate?", "Maybe, I could be very wrong! People might hate them forever haha. The best thing I can see happening is Star Wars discourse ending", "Ok, I'll reply to your original comment because it's easier for me on mobile, one min.", "I know I am going to regret this, but, what politics are you referring to in Star Wars or Westworld?", "I guess there is an age group that enjoyed them because they were too young to know how fucking bad they are. There isn't a single redeemable line of dialogue or scene in all three movies.", "If you were 6 when you first saw phantom menace I’m sure it’s a very different opinion than if you were 26.\n \nI think the prequels are maybe a C- / C and the originals are an A- / A but the new trilogy is like a D-/F\n \nBy comparison the prequels are a lot more enjoyable to me but still mediocre. I saw them as a teenager after having seen the original trilogy a few dozen times.", "Ending? The only way discourse ends is if they stop making new Star Wars. Disney wouldn't do that. \n\nBut on the bright side, they'll probably put out something worse, which will do the same thing for the sequels that the sequels did for the prequels.", "The sequels told a cohesive story + expanded the universe. Acting + writing is subpar, endless content (and so on). Although the portrayal of Luke leaves much to be desired, giving rise (more star wars stuff, we probs don't get mandalorian w out the sequels, could be wrong though).\n\nthere's loads of issues in the prequels to replace that last bit with", "I find the shows are too much. I watch them and they aren’t BAD but 2-3 movies a year with a big crossover avengers every few years was a great model to keep them relevant but feel big. Now it’s ALMOST a chore to keep up", "Ha, I would like to see that actually. 4 hours of Mark Hamil drinking that blue milk", "Oh, no much more than that and earlier (since I do not even recall the Sith quip).", "For what it's worth, I think the sequels are a lot less boring. You can decide if that's in a good way or not", "How is it weird? The fanbase exists through more than just the stories but what the entire star wars universe represents.\n\nI've always said that the star wars before Disney took over is most of what I relate with, it's what I also grew up with. I've seen the disney films once, I've seen the others hundreds. I enjoy the star wars universe and games most of all. Why am I weird?\n\nDisney can do their thing, doesn't impact me at all, unless they star retconning stuff but then I'd just ignore them.", "That's even more hysterical.", "What propaganda did you see in star wars? Was it Watto? The trade federation?", "It'll be Marvel after Feige steps down; he's the reason the MCU has done as well as it has at being a dynamic, living franchise that's knowingly expanding the scope of its world, characters and history. Ironically, he originally wanted to do Star Wars but got into Marvel when he didn't get anywhere with that.\n\nAnd, weird as it is, if Disney had listened to Lucas at the start, it'd be Filoni as the Star Wars czar, which is basically where we ended up at this point after the failure of the movies. \n\nI am only a tangential SW fan, I'm more of a Trekkie, and even more of a science fiction literature guy, but I can admit the stuff coming out under Filoni and Faverau is legitimately good media, even if it's in service of a shitty company's bottom line.", "The prequels were absolutely a corporate product. Back in the early aughts Star Wars was EVERYWHERE and on EVERYTHING. On Pepsi products, fast food chain tie-ins, toys, it was a HUGE marketing and corporate thing. I think the RLM reviews mention this as well.", "INB4 the word \"woke\" is used", ">They won't provide the happiness they promise\n\nExcept they do. Otherwise people wouldn't do it?", "I think a large part of it is this. I don’t fault folks who enjoy them for this, the nostalgia factor is huge, and every generation including mine probably has something like this; but they are objectively terrible films.", "As far as I'm concerned nothing Star Wars happened after the Return of the Jedi.", "Yes, but anything looks good in comparison to the new trilogy.", "Star Wars Visions had also some nice concepts for a further continuation or themes (the three recommended episodes are generally \"The Village Bride\", \"Lop and Ocho\" and \"The Ninth Jedi\" which also has the biggest potential for a \"next generation\" era).\n\nSome nice comics as well. The comics are hit and miss, but the Dr. Aphra line can be generally recommended (but you basically need to criss cross read all the comics to get all of it).\n\nThe 7th season of Clone Wars is also nice and puts a nice bow around the Clone Wars era. Bad Batch will have to see there.\n\nOverall where they dropped the ball the most was in terms of Games. Only Fallen Order was decent on release and even that game was rushed.\n\nIn terms of books idk.\n\n\"The High Republic\" is an interesting era. While \"Star Wars The Old Republic\" was really just \"same shit different outfit\" The High Republic really makes sure that it does take place centuries before the prequels and thus a lot of technologies don't exist, yet or have only recently been invented (Bacta is a new wonder drug) and some planets have basically just been colonized (human presence on Tatoonie there is less than a century).\n\nBut Mandalorian has the biggest \"mass appeal\" as a live action show. But \"live action\" is no longer where Star Wars is \"at home\"... it's their animated shows and comics. However the guys at RLM are the crowd that refuses to watch any of the animated shows so Live Action is all they have to go by.", "The Prequels were awful to mediocre, but at least they felt like Star Wars movies.\n\nWhatever the shit Disney has farted out the past few years (aside from the last half hour of Rogue One and portions of the Mandalorian) have been blatant, corporatized cash grabs that were focused grouped to death in order to appeal to as many people as possible. Kathleen Kennedy was obviously directed to \"do Marvel but in Star Wars\" and it somehow comes off even worse than the copy/paste script writing/excel spreadsheet managed production that is the MCU.", "John Boyega is clearly a true Star Wars fan with such utter disappointment for the new trilogy", "Ateast he TRIED to make art. The new movies were just a soulless cash grab with no direction controlled by someone who seems to actively hate the entire concept of Star Wars", "Useless Asian characters.\n\nStormtroopers collapse with a firm whack of a stick\n\nShoehorned Tarkin and Leia\n\nCheering to Vader murdering \n\nHad to end it the second before a new hope starts so idiots new when the movie took place.\n\nConstruction of the Death Star inconsistent with what was show in episode 3\n\n\nOnly thing I liked was how they put in clips and dialogue of the pilots from a new hope, that looked good.", "The same is going to happen with the sequel trilogy in 20 years. My kids love Ray, Fin, and Poe.", "Ok well you have convinced me to keep going atleast! :)", "yea that's exactly what I was expecting lol\n\n&#x200B;\n\nguess it's a no on him having examples too lmao", "> since I do not even recall the Sith quip\n\nOnly a Sith deals in Absolutes is from Revenge of the Sith. Said to Anakin by Obi-Wan right before they fight.\n\nAlso, even the original was plenty full of politics. Lucas has been on record comparing the Empire with American imperialism and the Ewoks to the Vietnamese freedom fighters.", "In my opinion the last 4 episodes of the Clone Wars was the best Star Wars content since the OT. Fucking masterpiece.", "I'm not sure if I agree with that.\n\nFor one, I actually thought the acting in the sequels was pretty good. I know Daisy Ridley gets some criticism, but IMO, they all were better than most of the prequel acting. Open to debate I guess.\n\nAs for a coherent story, I definitely disagree. Not only does the rise of the First Order make no sense in universe (or the New Republic being called the Resistance?), there are so many plot devices, characters, and abilities in the sequels that violate established canon. While the end of the prequels establishes ANH, I watched the entire sequel trilogy confused as to how things got to this point.\n\nIn the prequels we get: the rise of the Empire ✅, fall of Anakin Skywalker to Darth Vader ✅, the Clone Wars ✅, and the fall of the Jedi Order ✅. Those were basically the only things required to pass a baseline test for coherent story. The sequels finish with little to no explanation of the rise of the First Order, the new Jedi Order, 'the gang' falling apart, or the return of Palpatine.\n\nAgain, I understand the vast issues the prequels had from a production or enjoyment standpoint that make people not like them. That's totally valid. Strictly from a story telling perspective, they are far better than the sequels in maintaining a continuous storyline.", "Its all nostalgic bullshit at this point. Most people seem to either forget or weren't old enough to experience just how disappointing Episode 1 was. Fucking Jar Jar Binks, but right, DISNEY ruined Star Wars.", "Starwars is overrated", "I wouldn't go as far as to say the magic of the originals is gone, it's just that it is getting profited off. Concentrate on the good original content of the franchise, ignore everything else and the surrounding fads.\n\nEdit: if you can't enjoy something for what it is, then you haven't been enjoying it in the first place - you are not really that much different from the cultists in that video; you were just enjoying the hype circa 80s or 90s but not 2010s.", "I used to love their videos. But I don't know. They became too whiney, just like me! And I don't like me. So stopped watching them. \n\nCool guys either way.", "Think why Mandalorian was so good across the board. The Jedi/empire stuff was the B plot. The whole universe that Luca Arts created was finally front and center.", "People enjoying old stuff is not the same as a cheering them for new mediocre stuff. Because mediocre is where they're at now. That's what they're talking about. People are celebrating bad material due to their love for the idea of Star Wars. And going to conventions that Disney hosts and paying for movies is telling them to keep doing what they're doing. And they did retcon stuff: Leia is force sensitive, lightspeed is now a weapon, Palpatine made clones and had a family.", "I watched the Jar Media episode for Episode 1 a while back and IHE Alex brought up a really good point about that movie, that George Lucas lost what made Star Wars great because his life had changed in the years between RotJ and TPM, had a kid, became older, etc etc, so its like a dad movie. Has some cool ideas here and there (pod race, double bladed lightsaber duel, etc etc) but he doesn’t really get Star Wars anymore so the movie fell flat. Hate to say it but other than some very VERY small elements of episode 7/8 the new trilogy has no replay value whatsoever, but The Phantom Menace there’s a lot to talk about.", "Seriously. I've never understood the love for Rogue One that reddit loves to circle jerk about. The first two acts are completely dull and meandering without any real urgency or driving force. Jyn is a really boring protagonist. That said the 3rd act is some of the best star wars action put to screen. I feel like people only remember the 3rd act. Overall it's just fine.", "rogue one is really really bad, you guys just like that nonsense vader fight at the end which makes no sense in the context of the OT", "Painful to watch honestly... only good part imho (before I just stopped the video after the drawing...) was what, ArethereWaffles commented just above you... (Idk how to link usernames... :/)\n\nEdit: The original video wasn’t painful but the one I mentioned was, the only good part was the exact phrase Waffles linked it under.", "It's fan service-y moments feel completely earned though in comparison to something like Rise of Skywalker.", "Rogue One was specifically made so that the 40 year old man in the Porg costume can say he liked it and be taken seriously as an adult. Mandalorian was fine. Best Star Wars in decades", "I feel like my issue with Star Wars fandom is there's a certain historical revisionism occurring that paints the prequels in a much more favorable light.\n\nIt's hard for me to tell if it's either these people watched the prequels when they were 5 and have some childhood nostalgia for them, or as some form of backlash to the new films. Or if its both.\n\nIt's not uncommon for these individuals to ask for GL to come back and be at the helm again... And then complain about the sequels having faults that the prequels had themselves.\n\n\"World Building\" \"Consistency\" are all things the prequels apparently had... having seen them a number of times I can tell you that anyone that uses those terms is full of shit.", "Dammit I almost scrubbed that memory from my brain curse you…", "The sequels ruined star wars for me. Very similar to the way GoT ended as a show also. No thanks.", "Amen!", "I still just pretend the EU stuff happened\n\n(there are diff EU things, but just the stuff I like)", "> TLJ threw everything the first movie setup in the garbage\n\nI see this argument being used so often, but no one, and I mean no one actually brings up any examples of this actually happening.\n\nLike, have you even seen any of the movies lately? If you did you'd realize that it does address a whole lot of plot points, or leaves them open-ended for the third movie to play with:\n\n* What has Luke been up to and why did he disappear? \n* What happened to Finn after his injury?\n* Who is Rey? Why is she so special? \n* Why did Kylo/Ben turn dark? \n* What happens now that the First Order knows the whereabouts of the Resistance Base? \n* What role does Snoke play in all of this?\n* Now that Hosnian Prime is gone, what's going to happen across the galaxy?\n\nIt even improves on some things that TFA for some reason decided to leave undeveloped, like the entirety of Poe's character (he has less than 8 minutes of screentime in TFA despite being a \"main character\").\n\nIt was only when TROS rolled around that it all fell apart.", "I thought TFA was pretty bland and a less than amazing start to the franchise, but it looks like pure art compared to TLJ.", "Yes. People seem to look fondly back to a time when a guy had an idea for a movie. I feel like that's alot of the revisionism. It's less people saying they werengood and more people thinking they at least had a soul, unlike the vorporate Disney corn-slurry factory-made movie-product. But yeah they fucking suck. They're shit. And Force Awakens is a better movie than all three and I font like Force Awakens very much.", "I agree with this. The people downvoting are the adult babies who go crazy like they described lol", "I'm so glad I got to experience Star Wars before the prequels and before the sequels. Be careful what you wish for because some things are better left to the imagination.", "For Star Wars I imagine he’s referencing the fact that the universe now has more than one black person. Unacceptable political over reach right there. /s", "I haven't watched a single new star wars movie since Disney took over. I don't think I'm missing anything.", "Alright then I’ll go as far as to say it. The magic of the originals is gone.\n\nLong, long gone.", "So Anakin kneels before monster mash and pledges his allegiance to the grave yard smash.", "I disagree because at the very least I really appreciate the ideas in the prequel trilogy, where other than episode 8 which was basically rewritten by 9, there’s nothing really new and fresh. If you think about the prequel series ideas, there were so many cool ones. Pod racing, double bladed lightsaber duel, general grievous, the gladiator arena in episode 2, political discussion (which admittedly is better as an adult), etc etc. I don’t get any of that from the sequel trilogy. The only interesting aspects of the sequel trilogy was seeing Luke reject the Jedi but that basically got rewritten anyways.", "You’d think, but you’d be wrong. Quarterly earnings are all that investors care about. More than 3 months into the future is too long for them.", "The freedom/magic is gone which is funny because that’s what Disney is all about... so they say... cough $$$ cough", "Star Wars became not special when Lucas added a bunch of extra scenes to the original trilogy in the late 90's. Fucking cringe.", "I’m sorry, are you saying this guy’s criticism of a movie is invalid because he… also criticized another movie from the same franchise?\n\nIs your brain okay?", "I just don’t think I’m going to watch hawk eye.", "Youre the slice of overlap in the Venn diagram of the circles \"Star Wars brand\" and \"good content\".", "Headcanon is bestcanon.", "That’s what the real Disney brainwa... I-I uhh I mean magic is all about! <_< >_>", "His arc in ep 8 was a saving grace, but I sincerely think the big D fucked up by splitting the trilogy between 2 directors. \n\nEpisode 7: Who are Rey's parents?\n\nEpisode 8: It's not about your lineage, it's about who you choose to be.\n\nEPisode 9: Lol jk Rey's grandpa is palpatine.", "When I saw Yoda riding a unicycle in some kids show I knew right then what was to come... it was all over but the crying. Heck even Count Dooku(?) had to shake his head before taking off in a craft. I’d link the video but could never find it and frankly I don’t want to do that to you all anyhow.", "Star Wars stopped being special the day the Holiday Special aired.", "How could you have any expectations for TLJ when the film prior was equally bad though?\n\nLots of people seem to be shitting on TLJ and ignoring the fact that the film prior was a complete rehash of other films in the same franchise.\n\n\nPeople saw a carbon copy, safe, boring film and thought \"I bet the sequel is really going to be amazing\"?", "AT-ST! AT-ST!", "I used to follow the prequelmemes when they were making fun of those movies. Good times. Now you can’t even say anything bad of those movies without offending man babies.", "That's just a cringe comment", "Them not giving the whole trilogy to one director/team shows how out of touch they are.", "Cant you say the same with the prequels. He was trying to tell a story but those movies just come off as an attempt to sell merchandise.\n\nIn the behind the scenes George just seems to want these movies to be popular (make money) not for the sake of art.", "THEY FLY NOW", "This happens to World of Warcraft to some degree too, people get mad at Blizzard because the game doesn't feel like it did from 2004-2007, you know, when you were 17 years younger and there was a lot of new and unknown to learn about, now the game is old, it is still chugging along, but nothing is really nee, the gameplay formula is an old man with aching joints, we've shined the spotlight on almost every dark corner of the cosmos, but somehow it is the developer's fault they can't take you back to 2004 with every expansion. They released a Classic version of the original release, the nostalgia hype was huge and it was super successful for awhile, but what happened? Modern gaming practices ruined it and every single gameplay element was broken down on some spreadsheet, 2004 is never coming back.", "> At the end of TLJ I was left thinking: what am I supposed to care about, here? What is left to resolve? The answer, in both cases, was pretty much nothing.\n\n* What was the third lesson Luke wanted to teach?\n* How will the rebellion get back on its feet?\n* What will Hux do now that Kylo Ren, a man he despises, is in power?\n* What has happened with the Knights of Ren?\n* How will the First Order be defeated?\n* Will DJ get his comeuppance?\n* Will Rose and Finn actually become a pair, or will it remain platonic?\n* Will Poe be a good leader, or will he falter again?\n* What will happen to Leia now that the other two of the trio are gone?\n* Snoke may be dead, but his origin might still be important to the creation of the First Order, so will we learn of his past?\n* Will the legend of Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master, as told by even the lowest castes of the galaxy's society reignite the hope needed to defeat the First Order?\n* What happens to broom boy now that he yearns for something greater?\n* Will we see the real code-breaker again? He is, after all, an acquaintance of Maz Kanata, so one would assume he could show up again.\n* Now that both Starkiller and the Supremacy are gone, will we see the First Order besieging planets for resources, like Rose talked about?\n\nI can keep going if you want.", "Fanservice would be to have a Jedi lightsaber battle every episode with \"hello there\" and other quips. Mandalorian is original and does a good job with character building, acting, and more. You probably just looked and saw \"oh look boba fett armor, they're totally pandering\"...", "The prequels were pretty bad overall but the overarching story at least made sense. They knew what they wanted to tell, they just couldn't pull it off. The sequels are just a fucking mess.", "Excitement is something you can have and feel without acting like a child.", "I was at first hesitant to get into RLM because I figured they'd just hate all the stuff I love. But then I started watching their shit and realized they give really fair and insightful reviews to just about everything. If a comic book movie is good they like it. If it sucks it's properly called out. I was really worried that it was just a channel full of \"I'm so cynical and everything sucks.\"", "How dare you sir. Mike Stoklasa is the biggest Star Trek fan in existence and [gets excited every time he shoehorns Star Trek into their videos.](https://youtu.be/reApQlk5JiA) Even being the biggest fanboy ever though, he wouldn’t ever cheer at a trailer. He will however, [almost break down crying when Captain Kirk makes fun of him](https://youtu.be/HVcVahzGCB8)", "You clearly don't actually care about SW if you don't know that quote lol. You just care about the perception that they don't get \"political\", whatever that means to someone like you.", "Not that I'm saying they did a great job with Anakin, but if he's an edgelord murderer from Episode 1, there's really no tragedy to the story, right? Why care about Luke redeeming him in RotJ if the person he redeems back to is a terrible person as well? The point is he goes from a kid who's optimistic despite his poverty to a genocidal murderer. There's an arc there.\n\n\nAgreed 100% about the love story though.", "I watched the show. The Mandalorian as a character is a walking action figure with no character development. The show is cool, bit it's as deep as a puddle. Which is honestly fine. It's just funny to see people pretend it's some masterfully written show instead of simple, enjoyable fanservice.", "The original plan was for a star wars film every single year so that's not far off.", "Bingo. That's the problem you run into when making stories after the ending already happened, you risk making the prior journey pointless by undoing the ending.", "> Episode 8 made me angry, it felt like the director hated either star wars or the fans.\n\nYou couldn't be more wrong in that regard. Rian Johnson is a hardcore Star Wars fan. One of his earliest memories is him going to see the original movies with his dad. He has a large collection of old toys, and even a handful of the Legends books, from which he took inspiration.", "Which is a shame, because the EU had so many interesting stories and games set in that time period. All retconned now.", "The worst part (IMO, of course) is that with those 10,000 ships Palpy magicked into existence -- they couldn't even be arsed to design a new ship (which would, of course, have resulted in new toys and lego sets), they just took the Rogue One star destroyer, scaled it up a bit, and dangled a dick/gun from the bottom.\n\nGeorge Lucas wouldn't have done that because he would have seen the possibility of a brand new ship selling a boatload of toys.", "Are we supposed to know who RLM is?", "There are parts of the prequels that are really good on their own but they just don't manage to come together right. The pod-racing scene was cool, spending a third of the movie setting up the pod-racing scene was not. The lightsaber duel with Darth Maul was cool. Breaking up the climactic fight scene to cut between Padme, Annakin, and Jar Jar's unrelated climax scenes was not. Every one of those movies had something that was really well done, and then immediately wasted by the rest of the movie either distracting from it or making it pointless.", "There's some legit interesting design work in the Prequels. Naboo's two societies had well developed technology designs. The battle droids were iconic. Coruscant has an interesting look. And seeing how the Clone Army is the precursor to the Empire in its designs is interesting visual continuity as well.", "Yeah Some Star Wars fans now glorify George Lucas when some of them were the ones who attacked and whined about the prequels, which may have influenced Lucas in selling Star Wars.", "Zoomers who were young children when they came out and now have nostalgia for them.", "And you're sitting there doing a podcast about how much it sucks... alright bro. \n\nChrist, people can't let anyone enjoy anything anymore, huh?", "And the discarding of heroes like Luke and Han. Yeah, they’re old and probably begrudgingly accepted these roles, but they were treated utterly disrespectfully. You don’t need to elevate the voices of diverse characters by shitting on our old heroes. Luke, the hero that saved the galaxy, helped his father get redemption, and had an emotionally satisfying character arc- is relegated to living as a hermit, thought about murdering one of his pupils, is easily defeated by Rey, is cynical, and pathetic, and provides a distraction for Rey as a means of his exit from the franchise? Fuck you, Rian Johnson. Fuck you, Kathleen Kennedy.", "It's because 25 year olds today remember growing up with them. Nostalgia can be blinding.", "I mean with a review like that it's no surprise you couldn't see the character's inner conflicts and attachments, much less anything else.", "They suck, but it's a different kind of suck. The Star Wars prequels had some vision behind them and were ambitious, they just unfortunately had really bad dialogue and overall bad writing. But underneath all the terrible bullcrap there's at least some interesting world-building to enjoy, and you can tell someone gave a shit about these movies even if they turned out poorly.\n\nWith the sequels there's just nothing there to enjoy except the character of Kylo Ren. They have just as much shit writing as the prequels, but they contribute basically nothing to the Star Wars universe and in fact actively betray the characters of the OT by turning Leia and Han into deadbeat parents and Luke into an attempted child-murderer. They're corporate cash-grabs with little to no redeeming qualities.", "> The battle droids were iconic\n\nHow could I not mention those, what's wrong with me.\n\nWho doesn't like a good droideka? Other than clones", "I think what a lot of us Star Wars fans miss the point that Star Wars is bigger than the movies now. The original films are now just a part of this huge collection of media labeled 'Star Wars'. We wanted the prequels, we wanted the sequels they were just massively disappointing. But obviously some people are consuming this media. And we are bitter that something so special and inspiring is lost in the oblivion of intertextuality driven hyperconsumerism. And this is obviously a harsh judgement but we think the people who can't see through that are suckers. So yeah, let them eat cake, but don't sit here and try to convince me that the Star Wars brand isnt in critical and cultural decline.", "What about the droid attack on the Wookies?", "Dude, I wrote a sentence about the show and you want to claim that I'm missing something? Lol, honestly, I have no problem with people enjoying the show, but gosh if the fanbase isn't sooo super toxic. Wait, that's par for the course for the Star Wars fanbase.\n\nIf you want an example of a show that's actually well written, watch Arcane. Star Wars TV wishes it had put out anything with even a tenth of the depth as this.", "Shows unrelated to the main characters of Lucas's 6 movies are the only visual interest I have in Star Wars at this point.", "This was my hope when the Mouse bought the IP. Do different genre movies set in the Star Wars universe set in different eras, and for the love of god stop re-using the same characters and recycled plotlines from the Skywalker Saga. It should have been ended after the prequels.", "In fairness to the Mouse, the last 25 min of Rogue One is some of the best Star Wars.", "There were faults in the prequels but at least they were spiritually distinguishable from the marvel universe or the live action lion king", "I think what a lot of us Star Wars fans miss the point that Star Wars is bigger than the movies now. The original films are now just a part of this huge collection of media labeled 'Star Wars'. We wanted the prequels, we wanted the sequels they were just massively disappointing.But obviously some people are consuming this media. And we are bitter that something so special and inspiring is lost in the oblivion of intertextuality driven hyperconsumerism. And this is obviously a harsh judgement but we think the people who can't see through that are suckers. So yeah, let them eat cake, but don't sit here and try to convince me that the Star Wars brand isnt in critical and cultural decline.", "Thank you! TLJ has a few problems, but its contribution to Star Wars was far greater than TFA and TROS", "is that the one with the epic as fuck vader scene right at the end? that part was AMAZING. other than that meh. \n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxL8bVJhXCM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxL8bVJhXCM) \nfor a minute they captured some magic in that clip.", "Bingo. Every person who says that TLJ left nothing to say has zero imagination. Imagine a \"writer\" saying that. Yikes.", "\"everyone loves them\". \nNo, they don't. \nPeople really don't understand just how narrow and tiny the social slice is that comprises all of reddit. \nThis site is a suuuuper narrow subset of a suuuuper narrow slice of the overall population. \nWhat is liked/disliked on Reddit has virtually no correlation to the actual wider world. \nAlso, the prequels are absurdly awful, like bad to the point of baffling. \nThe sequels are just boringly bad.", "I'm not seeing people really shit on Star Wars fans for enjoying the Mouse movies or the prequels. I mostly see people shitting on the Mouse (and deservedly so) for the dogshit manifested on film that is the sequel trilogy, and it's the defenders of those movies who stay stuff like \"heerrrrrr deee deeeeerrrrr no one hates Star Wars as much as Star Wars fans heeeeerrrrr deeeeerrrr.\"", "It was a depressing epiphany for me when I realized that only 20-30% of Star Wars can actually be considered \"good\" nowadays, as the vast majority of the films are terrible.", "I've just kind of accepted that I'm no longer the target demographic for star wars anymore. I'm 37, reasonable estimate is I'll probably be buying one piece of star wars merch every 3-5 years for the next 40 years. Meanwhile a kid who likes the movies, is going to be buying (or having bought for him) 1-5 pieces of merch every 2 months at least until he turns 18 and then will continue on for the rest of his life doing some augmented version of that. Shirts, toys, school supplies, lunch boxes, officially licensed snacks etc. If the question is who is the more profitable target demo, me or the kid, the answer is the kid. So why would I be surprised when I buy a movie ticket (or don't buy a movie ticket because theaters are dying anyway) and realize the movie on the screen is meant for someone who is going to be WAY more profitable for the studio than me?", "George also absolutely made his movies (after the original) with the toys and merch in mind. General Grievous was seemingly invented to just serve as a toy moving machine.", "You are butthurt over me being 'toxic' when your original comment is \"Mandalorian is the epitome of pandering fanservice with zero substance.\"\n\nBig oof... yikes. Pot meet kettle.", "Mandolorian, Rouge One, and Han Solo still give me some hope for Star Wars. The trilogy movies have been a giant let down.", "Star Wars has always been like that though. The holiday special that was released before the 2nd film even came out is pretty indicative of the fact that the Star Wars brand has been at the forefront of hyper consumerism longer than most of us have been alive. There has always been hundreds of additional Star Wars stories between the EU books, video games and TV series. The Disney purchase just gave all of those things a larger budget and advertising reach.", "It's better to watch a movie that is someone's attempt to do something great and it falls short than a movie precisely calibrated to be watchable by the majority of consumers (and not to offend China in any way)\n\nFranchise blockbusters are entertainment equivalent for junk food.", "The sequels are so frustrating because I genuinely think after Ep 7 there was actual potential for interesting plot lines and new ideas.\n\n- Finn can no longer accept the atrocities he is forced to commit as a stormtrooper and defects to the rebellion.\n- Kylo Ren is a Vader fanboy and wannabe sith lord always coming up short and struggles with confidence and finding his own identity.\n- You only get a glimpse of the Knights of Ren but there were so many interesting things you could have done with what is basically a cult for a poser.\n- Luke in self imposed exile doubting his trust in the force after his pupil and nephew fall to the dark side under his watch.\n- Han and Leia struggle with their emotions about their disappointment of a son and their abilities as parents.\n- Rey and Kylo linked by the Force. Will Kylo turn back to the light? Will we see our protagonist fall to the dark side? Maybe something in between?\n\nForce Awakens had plenty of problems, but it felt like a genuinely good attempt at a \"passing of the baton\" type movie. It didn't have time to deep dive into every character but it ended with actual potential and it just felt squandered at every turn. Ep9 is nearly in \"so bad its good\" territory. \n\nPrequels were god awful, but the ideas and scenarios it set up became a platform for much beloved lesser entries in the canon. Sequels could have done the same at the very least, but the constant yanking back and forth of the characters didn't leave much time to develop the foundation needed for supplemental material.", "Right? It's such a stark contrast from when Daredevil and Agents of Shield were pretty much all we had. Now there's a new show every few months, and with several more on the horizon...all interconnected so basically mandatory for people wanting the whole story.", "It's hard man. Blind fandom really ruins a lot of shit, or so it would seem. You could also argue that in the postmodern era with an increasing feeling of loss of identity the urge to fill the void with something external AS identity is growing.", "I mean, you're not wrong. The whole Star Wars fanbase is just super divided and toxic. It's tough to have a balanced discussion when people just relentlessly shit on not just the movies but the people who like or don't like the \"right ones\".", "Yeah, Mandalorian is tangentially related to the original trilogy but only through certain characters like Boba Fett.", "I definitely do not agree with all of their takes, but they know what they are talking about when it comes to film making, so I find it entertaining to at least hear their thoughts on a film even if I think their overall opinion on that film is wrong.", "Then the problem wasn't his love of Star Wars, I think someone should've been in the editing or feedback with him. Apparently Kathleen Kennedy basically gave him completely free reign though.\n\nAnd you can tell because TLJ has a LOT of really good ideas...that all completely botch in execution or are completely contradictory to setup from the previous movie.", "> era with an increasing feeling of loss of identity the urge to fill the void with something external AS identity is growing.\n\nIt absolutely is. There's a downturn in religion, and the naive people thought that this would lead to some mass enlightenment. But it means people fall into corporate fandoms, or social media addiction, or extreme movements. And a lot of people think that if we get rid of work, people will in turn uplift themsleves even more. I think people would just fall for more cults to fill their time.", "[More!](https://i.imgur.com/zUIvWeS.gifv)", "That doesn’t make sense though. Because a good movie will make you money in the next quarter. Or Q1 2023. They definitely consider that.", "Omg thank you, I felt like I was the only one on the planet who isn't all that excited for the new Spider-Man. Every Joe Schmoe who never used to care about comics is just getting excited for punching matches with characters they are somewhat familiar with for 2.5 hours. I find it so weird that the one Spider-Man movie I should theoretically be so excited for, as a Raimi fan myself, I just couldn't give a shit about, yet everyone around me can't stop talking about it.", ">The sequels have nothing, they try nothing\n\nGonna have to stop you right there. TLJ tried things. It tried to change how Star Wars handles humor, and people said \"they're being too Marvel\" or \"that's disrespectful\". It tried to disrupt the Star Wars narrative by killing the what seemed like the main antagonist in the second act, and people said \"what are they gonna do now!\" It tried to give more depth to the most important character in Star Wars, and people said \"that's not my Luke Skywalker\". TLJ tried things. People didn't like them, and because of that we got Rise of the Skywalker.", "Visions is EASILY my favorite Disney Star Wars thing, because it's the only one that doesn't feel like it's typical Disney safe focus group testing.\n\nIt's not perfect, the pacing of a lot of the episodes are jarring, and not everything lands, but damn does it do amazing things with setting, tone, characters, and types of encounters.\n\n+1 to Visions for me as well.\n\n\"The Duel\" is a masterpiece.", "The part that fell flat for me in the prequels was his motivation for going to the dark side. If you make him an ex-abused slave who's seen first hand what a \"lack of order in the galaxy\" brings, you can understand how the emperor could sell that the Jedi are weak, and the Senate was weaker. You'd want order in the galaxy if you grew up on a rogue planet that had slaves (and the jedi wouldnt touch). \n\nAnd I dont think he'd be played as an evil murderer, rescuing your mom from a slave owner who abused you your whole life isnt super evil, there's just the added touch of him using his newfound powers to force choke his old master, maybe his anger gets the best of him and he doesnt even mean to do it. He's still freeing a ton of slaves. In my version, watto isnt a kinda friendly uncle. He's a proper slave owner who does things that slave owners did. \n\nAnd that background, that festering anger at being ignored by the republic is what palpatine picks at. Not some dumb \"you have to be evil to save your girlfriend because we have no doctors in the future\" bit.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsD4im7K3wg", "You're misinterpreting what I wrote. Sure there has always been an element of consumerism in Star Wars, but it resulted from the artistry and intrigue of the original films. Now there is nothing but intertextual hyperconsumerism and the films are made to serve those goals.", "Rick here, so sorry. Doing what I can.", ">these stories are built by committee and engineered meticulously with things like conventions, toys, Rotten Tomatoes scores… all this other shit in mind.\n\nFrom what I hear, George Lucas was no slouch when it came to planning for toys/merchandising. Conventions have been a huge thing for them for decades, and with the second trilogy it was clear that there were characters in there designed to appeal to kids and sell toys, there was plenty of content to appease fans, and after some initial backlash against the first of 3, there were adjustments made due to criticism.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAll of these things were there before Disney. Except that with Disney it did become more \"design by committee\". But, everything I have heard about why the first trilogy was so good, and the second was so bad, was that in the first trilogy there was more collaboration. People said no to Lucas. Then we get to the second trilogy, it's a 1-man show, and all of Lucas's weaknesses start to show up because there was no one there with enough sway to have corrected it.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI just think it is silly to blame everything on Disney. The magic from the 80's was already dead long before Disney bought the rights. Lucas killed it. If not with the second trilogy, then maybe with his endless tampering with the original trilogy. Adding in CGI bloat, making Han shoot second, and so on.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDisney took the reins of this mostly dead horse, and for better or worse, ensured that stories in that universe would be told in a much greater quantity. And sometimes, a much greater quality I would say. How does \"The Mandalorian\" compare to the Star Wars Christmas Special? Or even \"Rogue One\" compared to \"The Phantom Menace\"?\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDisney will milk it for everything it is worth, just like Lucas did. It was more precious to Lucas, so he was extremely reluctant to let others tell stories in his universe, but did that tight-grip really result in better quality, or more \"magic\"?", "“The stormtrooper is black!”", "I think a lot of people have nostalgia for a thing and the nostalgia was the special thing. The original Star Wars trilogy wasn't some masterpiece of film making. [Episode 6](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nO0uJenOgw) featured some very significant re-writing of previous films. There were so many toys, way more than today. There were Star Wars Christmas specials, Star Wars cartoons, Star Wars everything.\n\nAnd then in the 90s George Lucas decided to re-edit all of his old films, not just to bring them into high definition, but actually changing aspects of the film. [One of the changes](https://www.vox.com/culture/2019/11/13/20963415/disney-plus-star-wars-han-shot-first-greedo-edit) was so controversial that George Lucas edited the master copy.... AGAIN and now it's on Disney+. People re-watching these re-edited films felt like they were being gaslighted.... was their nostalgia taking over, or was it being re-written by Lucas?\n\nBy the time Lucas released the prequel trilogy you had people who had never watched the original film who had only viewed the edited films commenting that this new trilogy has ruined Star Wars. But of course he prequel trilogy ruined Star Wars, have you seen Jar Jar Binks? Have you seen all the toys? Have you seen all the fan fare for this thing?\n\nYou're telling me you didn't see the giant theaters full of fans [watching Star Wars announcements](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRUPHm9x4iU) (it kinda looks like a political rally!). Or all the [fans glumming at how amazing it was going to be](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjVFmaKtksg)... before getting so toxic about how poor the films were [that they harassed Jake Lloyd and Ahmed Best out of the industry](https://www.moviefone.com/2017/02/01/mark-hamill-still-angry-at-how-star-wars-fans-treated-jake-lloyd/).\n\nYou don't remember that magic? Oh of course because there was Clone Wars and that wasn't a cash grab directed at children that was real story telling for adult men who aren't man-children who harass children.\n\nWhy has no one commented on how EA has ruined Star Wars video games, we need better games like the ones made by EA like KOTOR and less of ones made by EA like Star Wars Battlefront 2. EA ruined Star Wars and made it less special by giving us more games we ask for and I'm happy another studio will get a chance to make a Star Wars game no one really wants.\n\nBut we're getting off topic. We're here to talk about how currently Star Wars isn't special anymore because of these changes that are actually just how they've always been and we just have insanely faulty nostalgic memories. Can we just get back to the time of child actors in Star Wars who we criminally harass and nominate for Razzies? Is that too much to ask? Can we just have the new films get edited to remove flaws like the old ones? Wait why is no one listening anymore, where did you all go?", "> What was the third lesson Luke wanted to teach?\n\nCall me inattentive but I've seen the movie twice and I don't remember this part so it can't have been that impactful.\n\n> How will the rebellion get back on its feet?\n\nBy rallying dissidents from across the galaxy as they explicitly say they'll do at the end of the movie. Not exactly much of a mystery. I do think this aspect was one of the only interesting threads left but the problem is you know exactly where it is going.\n\n> What will Hux do now that Kylo Ren, a man he despises, is in power?\n\nWho cares? I liked Hux in TFA because he was a spin on Tarkin, as if Tarkin was actually a significant part of the story and there was an actual power struggle. In TLJ his character is reduced to comic relief and serves no importance, so why do I care what he does next?\n\n> What has happened with the Knights of Ren?\n\nThey aren't even really relevant as they've only been mentioned once as fodder for fans to speculate on.\n\n> How will the First Order be defeated?\n\nPresumably the same way the Empire was in the OT. Kill the leader and the rest apparently fall like dominoes. Rey is set up to confront Kylo who has taken over as the big bad at the end of TLJ.\n\n> Will DJ get his comeuppance?\n\nI assumed we would never see him again because he was barely even a character.\n\n> Will Rose and Finn actually become a pair, or will it remain platonic?\n\nPresumably they would, but considering the romantic aspect was tacked on the end of the film I really didn't care either way if they did or not. It had no impact on the plot. Rose wasn't really important in any way. Which is a shame because I did actually think her character had potential when she was first introduced. Frankly by the end of TLJ Finn wasn't all that important either.\n\n> Will Poe be a good leader, or will he falter again?\n\nFinn's struggle with becoming a leader instead of a hotshot was probably the most interesting part of TLJ to me so I'll give you this one, I was mildly interested to see how he performed as a leader later on.\n\n> What will happen to Leia now that the other two of the trio are gone?\n\nSort of out of their control, but since Carrie Fisher died it was pretty clear Leia was going to die. I think the plan was always for her to die anyway as each sequel film was set up in a way to kill each OT lead, but as a result of Fisher dying Leia became inconsequential to the plot in TRoS.\n\n> Snoke may be dead, but his origin might still be important to the creation of the First Order, so will we learn of his past?\n\nGiven that one of the themes of TLJ was basically that your origins mean nothing, I assumed it would lead nowhere and never be explained.\n\n> Will the legend of Luke Skywalker, Jedi Master, as told by even the lowest castes of the galaxy's society reignite the hope needed to defeat the First Order?\n\nThe end of TLJ makes it explicitly clear that is the plan so there is no real question there.\n\n> What happens to broom boy now that he yearns for something greater?\n\nHe cameos in some big battle in Episode IX as a fun nod to the end of TLJ.\n\n> Will we see the real code-breaker again? He is, after all, an acquaintance of Maz Kanata, so one would assume he could show up again.\n\nAgain.. who cares? His character was wafer thin and designed for a purpose. He served that purpose, there's no need for him to return. Will Casino Alien #8 return? Does it matter?\n\n> Now that both Starkiller and the Supremacy are gone, will we see the First Order besieging planets for resources, like Rose talked about?\n\nPresumably yes but considering we see the Empire/First Order do this in every movie I don't find it very compelling. And I didn't see any possibility we would zero in on their effect on one particular planet because as the last film in the trilogy it was going to focus on a larger galactic conflict.", "Yea nostalgia is the only reasonable explanation as to why people still watch these annoying youtubers.", "The guys in the video got their big break when they released a feature length youtube video dissecting every reason why the prequels didn't work. A not insignificant amount of the runtime is showing and analyzing behinds the scenes footage. Off the top of my head the things I can remember about the BTS stuff:\n\n- Lucas not finishing the first draft of the script mere weeks before they were scheduled to begin shooting\n- A screening for the film where the creators, including Lucas, seem to recognize the issues with the film, but were way too far along in production to fix anything.\n- Lucas seeming near completely uninterested in the actual directing process. (It's pretty much taken as gospel these days that Lucas is a great idea guy, but a terrible director)\n- Lucas was surrounded by yes-men too afraid to challenge him or tell him when they felt something wasn't working\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCR2PN2_lA4&list=PL-syXiGG5jVLgvcsDHJvsJYG8DaIfn4Dh&ab_channel=BlueCopter", "The whole video we're commenting on is 3 dudes sitting around shitting on people enjoying themselves at a Star Wars event.", "Episode 1 was garbage. Lucas's tampering with the original trilogy sucked. The Christmas Special was laughably bad. Lucas was always focused on merchandising, and would try to sell toys by creating awful characters like Jar Jar.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI like The Mandalorian, enjoyed Rogue One well enough, and I don't really think the new trilogy stands up that poorly against the second trilogy.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI'm shocked Star wars had not already died for you before Disney bought the rights. And I don't understand a blanket statement like \"Disney ruined Star Wars\". What would we have if they had not bought it? Maybe nothing? Maybe Jar Jar would come back and let us know his feelings on sand when George adds a new wave of CGI improvements for the second trilogy. Perhaps it gets into those little folds on his ears, maybe it interferes with the Midi-chlorians somehow.", "It's not just \"not special\" it's fucking bad.", "As a kid during those days, I think the amazing video games coming back to back kept me a star wars fan more than the movies. Battlefront, Republic Commando, KOTOR and so on just back to back.", "I just consider all the Disney movies to be fan fiction (which they are), and move on with my life.\n\nI can still appreciate Star Wars.", "Why do you think TRoS delivered on almost none of that?\n\nYes there are things that can be picked up on. That doesn't mean they're compelling. Can the Rebels retake Hoth after TESB? Who cares? It isn't important or interesting. Will Max Rebo make a comeback? Does it matter?\n\nTLJ was a mess because it made it abundantly clear there was no plan for the trilogy. It wasn't a trilogy at all - a trilogy has a trajectory that TLJ threw out the window. It's just three disconnected movies pretending they are related.", "Investors these days don’t invest for the long haul. If you don’t make more money this quarter than you did the last, they’ll sell their shares expecting a dip and then rebuy them at a lower price.", "Mel Brooks even spent a big chunk of Spaceballs making fun of that. But people still act like Disney is when Star Wars became commercialized.", "Now let’s not forget that the clone wars was around before disney bought star wars, and it wasn’t very dead-horse at all imo", "Is magic of the originals gone... from the originals? Lol", "EXACTLY. It's impossible to ever experience the early days of WoW again. You'll never see these places all new. You'll never not know how to min max your way through it. It's not the game's fault you got older, it's not the game's fault everybody has access to perfect information and strategy immediately. \n\n\nI personally really feel it because I missed out on the first iteration of WoW. I didn't have a computer that could run it well and I didn't have any friends that were playing it. I tried to play it later with my partner, her having already maxed out a character and me having never played it. Her sense of wonder was dead and I had no room for discovery because I could just turn and ask her what to do next. That's just how it is.", "Agents of Shield + Daredevil was 35 episodes a year. The entire Disney+ Marvel slate has been 36 episodes.\n\nIt’s not any more than it was then.", "> TLJ tried things.\n\nWhat the Last Jedi did was abandon the previous story and a bunch of side missions tied together. If Ryan Johnson was given the first movie and second it would have been better, but what he tried was not good enough. Half the movie was undoing what happened previously, other half was side missions that proved pointless. He clearly didn't want to continue with the story as it was setup, and he shouldn't have done a sequel.\n\nHe veered off in a new direction, that wasn't good, and clearly not planned or in sync with the rest of trilogy.", "This is also basically true with most big video game franchises these days.", "That’s how r/prequelmemes started. It was memes poking fun at the prequels. \n\nBut somewhere along the way, they became passionate about the movies unironically.", "Not just a rehash, but a rehash that was made out of the ashes of continuity.\n\nOh cool, they blew up the Death Star with all imperial leadership on it. I wonder what happens in the sequel, maybe they have a new threat or som-\n\nWait they’re still rebels? And they control the galaxy? And the new empire doesn’t, but they made another super weapon several thousand times larger than the last?\n\nCool… Cool…", "> TLJ was a mess because it made it abundantly clear there was no plan for the trilogy.\n\nSo? You're going a long way to say that just because TRoS did nothing with it means that nothing could have been done with it.", "• Hux is a complete moron now (yo momma joke? Really?)\n\n• Finn has lost all build up and is relegated to a plot line that takes him completely away from the pairings we loved in TFA\n\n• Luke is now a Disney version of himself where he kills his nephew instead of talk to Han and Leia? Really?\n\n• Phasma had an opportunity to be great but let's turn her into another joke I guess.\n\nMost of all I'm just upset at what they did to Boyega. Dude got hosed.", "Directors can change, but the writers most certainly can not in a trilogy.\n\nThese films should have been written long before a director was even considered.\n\nHonestly why they didn't just adapt one of the better novel series is beyond me.\n\nThe Thrawn trilogy would have needed a fair but of rewworking due to the actors ages, but it could have been done in a way that made sense, and it would have been better.", "you know what, fuck these cornballs. Their whole success is built on complaining about Star Wars. The PT and ST might not live up to that first magic one experiences when they see Star Wars, there's a lot of nostalgia to contend against. But at least they are making something. These guys are just professional complainers. Bottom feeders.", "RLM aren't shitting on Star Wars fans specifically aside from the cycle of abuse they have put themselves in with all of the movies post the OG-trilogy. The fandom (or whoever is left), which RLM points out is whipped into a frenzy by a mega corporation that wants to suck as much money as possible from the fandom's pockets, has managed to put themselves into a perpetual cycle of disappointment of movie releases: they hate the movie, Disney whips them up into hype for the next movie that Disney promises will be good, fandom hates it, cycle repeats. Their point is that the hysteria around Star Wars movies is not warranted because the IP isn't special anymore, and Disney and Lucas are both to blame for that. Action blockbusters for children and young adults are a dime a dozen nowadays, and the vast majority of them are far better than Star Wars at this point.", "I'm with you, fuck these guys.", "I think they completely missed an opportunity to being the Star Forge onto the big screen. That could have explained the 1000s of ships. Good ol Palpatine could have talked about finding and bringing the forge back from the ancient Sith.", "Yea but can’t you make more money this quarter from box office and then more from merch and tv shows etc in the coming ones?", "Yeah but it's simply two shows. For someone like me who gets overwhelmed with options on streaming easily, episode count doesn't matter as much to me, but volume of different titles do. Plus Daredevil BARELY felt like an MCU thing, so it was a nice break from the tone of the films", "^ yeah so dumb", "Next quarter literally doesn’t exist. If they don’t see an increase this quarter they pull out for the dip. It’s algorithmic.", "I was 9 watching the phantom menace and all I could remember is damn that pod racing looked cool, the aliens looked cool, I thought there were supposed to be lightsabers, jar jar is from Jamaica and what's with the big hair white face lady.", "[This scene in one of Nostalgia Critic's video always stuck with me.](https://youtu.be/z4y3iwbwOBs?t=1190)\n\nIt's exactly why what's old can't be new again; when it's the same thing over & over again, eventually you start to look around and say \"is there NOTHING new? Are we just repeating everything over & over again like Groundhog Day? Are we COMPLETELY creatively bankrupt that we're just gonna re-hash the same thing again?\"", "My friends thought I was crazy for saying \"There is going to be a Star Wars movie every year until we're all dead\".", "Yeah they basically got to do Tony Stark's evil twin. Perfect.", "100%. That was great. And in general, the action in that movie was pretty good. The last 30 minutes and the space scenes above the planet were pretty great. \n\nAlthough I did not like the vader scene where he makes a kinda silly pun. I think that was also Rogue One.", "Prequel memes is a great example of how you can meme so hard that you forget you are memeing", "I've been hoping for a Thrawn movie for 20 years.", "The biggest problem with Disney's handling of the IP is how instantaneously they wanted to make a return on their investment. They seemingly didn't make a plan for anything, and it shows.", "> Call me inattentive but I've seen the movie twice and I don't remember this part so it can't have been that impactful.\n\nAt the start, Luke says \"three lessons\", but in the end he only manages to give her two. I would assume that the third lesson would be given in ghost form in the third movie.\n\n> Who cares? I liked Hux in TFA because he was a spin on Tarkin, as if Tarkin was actually a significant part of the story and there was an actual power struggle. In TLJ his character is reduced to comic relief and serves no importance, so why do I care what he does next?\n\nSo you're saying you only liked Hux because he reminded you of a different character, and not because of his own merits? At least TLJ distanced him more from Tarkin's characterization, whereas in TFA he is practically just a Tarkin substitute. \n\n> They aren't even really relevant as they've only been mentioned once as fodder for fans to speculate on.\n\nThey could become important, you know? They're mentioned, they're shown, we know what they look like, we know Kylo is their leader. Why leave a plot thread like that just dangling? Use them now that they exist.\n\n> Given that one of the themes of TLJ was basically that your origins mean nothing, I assumed it would lead nowhere and never be explained.\n\nThe primary theme of The Last Jedi is failure and overcoming your past mistakes and failures. It's even hammered home by master Yoda himself when talking to Luke.\n\nLuke overcame his past mistake with Ben. Rey looked past her wanting to know her parents, Poe learned from his mistake and became ready to take over the leader role from Leia, etc. \n\nIt wasn't about burying your past, that's the bad guy's take on it.\n\n\n___\n\nSo... are you ultimately still saying that there are things left unsolved by TLJ that the next movie in the series should tackle?", "I didn't realize until halfway through the trailer that it wasn't about Rogue Squadron, lmao. I was disappointed with the end product obviously.", "Right so they pick the best movie with the best director who has a tract record of making them the most money right now. However… if it’s choice between a franchise with a director that made the last movie a hit that kept making them more money into the next quarter they’re gonna chose that guy over someone else.", "I heard something interesting on youtube talking about Disney and other major movie studios. Basically, movies today are specifically created to appeal to a larger audience, mainly Asia(i think that's disney's biggest audience today). The jokes, dialogue, material, everything is made so it can be translated to every other market. As apposed to older films specifically made for the US then pushed to other countries later. By doing this they make a very safe/bland product that is somewhat appealing to you but feels like it's missing something. Kinda takes the \"ART\" out of film and turns it into a commodity.", "> From a business a background, engaging with fans online in a hostile manner (even if deserved), is total WTF. I am totally fascinated by a company showing clear contempt for some of it's fans rather than taking the obvious 'don't engage with the trolls' approach. It's not just unprofessional it is bad business.\n\nwell the idea is that they don't think they need them anymore. The 28-45 year old male demographic, the older millennial and genx who are the loudest nerds, are not an ideal demographic. So you try to appeal to others, like younger women. A trend with the nerd bashing is that they thought they secured new demographics so they can gladly shame and attack the others since they're not needed.\n\nAnd they learned that you can shame people and \"win\" online debates this way, allowing you to control narratives.", "The existence of The Clone Wars also makes the prequel movies retrospectively better. I don't even like the show as much as most of Reddit seems to, but at the very least it does a great job of demonstrating that events of significance occurred between Ep. 2 and Ep. 3.\n\nLike, just as one example, Palpatine's spontaneous resurrection in Ep. 9 sucks, obviously. But it's not so terribly much different than Grevious coming out of nowhere as the episodic antagonist of Ep. 3. Why should I care about this coughing droid thing I've never heard of? The animated show tells us why. Whereas, before people were really getting into that show, everybody agreed that it would have been better for Darth Maul to remain as a secondary villain through all 3 prequel movies and that it was a major fault that he didn't.", "It was obvious TLJ was going to be bad when the central conflict was \"oh shit we're out of gas\". \n \nTLJ is so bad I have to believe it was purposefully written by a pissed off Rian Johnson to torpedo the series. Luke milking an alien and the on-the-nose gas analogy have to be a metaphor for a series out of steam desperately trying to squeeze more out of it. If that wasn't on purpose then holy shit why would you ever write that? \n \nThe Kylo/Rey conflict is the only interesting plot line and it just kinda fizzles. If the plot was truly trying to be subversive they would have had Kylo flip Rey to the dark side. I bet that this was the original intention that was later scrapped in re-writes and re-shoots leading a now pissed Rian to write a parable for a series desperately trying to milk its IP while drifting aimlessly without gas.", "That's the original plan before the trilogy under-performed and Solo proved to be box office poison. The retooled plan drops films every year and they're focusing on tv shows for now.", "If they spent like maybe 5ish years pre-planning this idea out - and copied the Marvel playbook of building upon the last movie - this plan could have work. Instead they rushed to have the 1st movie out only 1 (2?) years after Disney took over, and they didn't even fully flesh out their new trilogy!", "Yes. Because starting a new IP and a new film costs a lot, and films cost 150-250 milliion now, so they want to milk the same IPs from 1977-1993 forever and ever until the end of time. It's much safer than a new series.", "The live TV shows are the saving grace for me, but I can’t honestly say I have faith that they wont be ruined too as they start pumping them out at a ridiculous rate.\n\nAlso I really liked Rogue One", "FUCKING DOUBLE-BLADED LIGHTSABER", "As a little kid, I loved the OT. The prequels came out as an older kid and I sort of enjoyed them, mostly because they answered questions I had about what took place in the OT. But I never went back and re-watched them like I did the OT on VHS a million times. When The Force Awakens came out, I was excited. I went and saw the movie, and I left feeling not so happy about it. Then Rogue One came out, and I enjoyed it because again it answered questions about the OT and lead into them. Then came The Last Jedi, my wife was excited to see it, I saw it and as I was in the theater I realized that I was actually wanting the movie to end. I was not enjoying it at all. I still haven't seen Return of the Sith, Solo was alright. But yeah, I now look at everything Star Wars that comes out with a lot of cynicism. I lived and breathed Star Wars growing up, but I have almost stopped following Star Wars completely now. I guess I'm just a bitter and jaded adult now, I don't know.", "That’s great. I personally am just not interested anymore… and rogue one was a bit to heavy on the “remember this??” for me.", "I actually liked the prequels until everyone told me I wasn't supposed to. \n\nI mean sure, anakin was corny but it still felt like I was exploring different parts of the Star Wars universe. So it was fun.\n\nI didn't like the second one though, it was too corny.", "That’s fine if you don’t like watching them all, but to act like it’s a stark contrast in content is just wrong. Not to mention, the tone of every show so far has been completely different. \n\nI also wouldn’t consider any of them mandatory to watch the others; the shows haven’t been related to each other at all. Like I don’t think there’s been a single reference between them.", "They were so dull though.. just a bunch of people in front of green screens..", "> acting like a child.\n\nThis act isn't yours to define.", "STAR DESTROYERS! I’M GONNA CUM!", "Maybe, but not nearly as bad as the sequels", "Oh, no, I stopped caring after watching the fourth one. \"Someone like you\"... what does it even mean? Are you pretending being shocked at hearing it the first time, or perhaps think that you already know everything you need to know about me?", "> Hux is a complete moron now (yo momma joke? Really?)\n\nThat scene is meant to establish both characters. It's meant to establish that Hux has a giant but fragile ego, and Poe is a hothead who likes to take risks. This becomes important later on in the movie when Hux's hubris gets the better of him when he becomes too bloodthirsty to focus on the oncoming hyperspace ram. And Poe takes the risk of going behind his superior's back because he knows better than them. And making Hux's mother the theme of the joke is a nice nod to the book readers where it's revealed that Hux is the bastard son of his Admiral father and some kitchen maid.\n\n> Finn has lost all build up and is relegated to a plot line that takes him completely away from the pairings we loved in TFA\n\nFinn was still on the fence of becoming a rebel when TFA ended, TLJ merely picks up his character where TFA ended it. He even says to Han \"I'm just here to get Rey\", not \"Let's defeat the First Order!\" or something like that. His heart isn't in it at that point. TLJ completed his arc of becoming a full fledged rebel.\n\n> Luke is now a Disney version of himself where he kills his nephew instead of talk to Han and Leia? Really?\n\nThis particular chestnut has been discussed and re-discussed and dissected and deconstruction six hundred million times already, [so I'm just going to refer you to this video here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0YXhphVmmk)\n\n> Phasma had an opportunity to be great but let's turn her into another joke I guess.\n\nYeah, this one is a bummer. I got nothing.", "Hahaha, your first video is a great counter-example to the main video actually.", "At least those had somewhat likable and realistic characters… but who cares lol! Now I’m doing it myself! You liked it and I didn’t! Cheers.", "> criticizing the things others enjoy.\n\nCriticizing the things or the way they enjoy things?", "\"Did you clap at any of the *new* moments or characters?\"", "Exactly. They're what drove Star Wars into the ground, with the Mega Gary Stu Anakin, daft dialogue, trypophobia-inducing array of plot holes and general unintentional silliness.\n\nThe first signs of that were in Return of the Jedi already with the cutesy bears obviously there to drive toy sales and reusing the idea of a Death Star, cuz you gotta have Death Stars. At least it was still otherwise mostly a good movie.", "They fly now is one of the biggest indicators that the creators didn’t care that much about the series and haven’t bothered to watch other bits of Star Wars.", "And they still use those magic movies from decades ago as their backbone. Ghostbusters, Star Wars, Indiana Jones, Terminator, Alien, Predator.. list goes on. Yeah there were sequels in the 80s too, but mostly they just made them one film at a time. These days new movies from big studios are planned as a franchise from the beginning. Universal made a Mummy movie with Tom Cruise and even before it was out they started babbling about \"Dark Universe\" they were creating that would be cool as fuck. Too bad the films sucked ass. Quoting the writer Eric Heisserer:\n\n> It was a very strange experience. There was certainly a big brain trust of writers around the table. You had a lot of voices and none of them could agree on much. Much like when I’d visit my relatives for Thanksgiving and everyone’s arguing with each other…You had some people saying, ‘Should our monsters all be villains in these movies or can they all be heroes?’ And someone else would say, ‘We can build the plane when we fly it.’ And it’s me and Jon Spaihts at the table going, ‘That’s a terrible analogy. We don’t want to be on that plane. What are we doing here?\n\nThat's the blockbuster movie industry today. That's how they're made and that's why they hardly ever rise above mediocrity.", "I just don't live in a world where having fun and enjoying things is look upon as a distasteful act. I stopped watching cus im not interesting in the opinion of a man who thinks adults arent allowed to express themselves.", "The Ewoks are very well know to have been created as a marketing tool for Return of The Jedi. You are looking through serious rose colored glasses if you think that the originals were created for “artistry”", "The back catalogue for Marvel is deeper but I wouldn’t be surprised if the MCU follows a similar decline. There are no stakes to these films.", "I was in my early teens so the faster, slicker light sabre fights were enjoyable but, yeah, the prequels were doodoo", "nah. you are creating a strawman, distorting my statements, and arguing for the sake of it.", "Its okay to let the kid live inside you. You see something you like? go ahead and cheer its only 1 life you have after all. This guy seems like a drag to be around tbh.", "Good for him, when the movie came out I would probably argue, but now I really don't care either way 🤷‍♂️", "Star Wars has always been big on [merchandizing](https://youtu.be/fgRFQJCHcPw?t=38).", "7 and 8 were just 4-6 in fast forward mode, then they ran out of ideas to regurgitate so they’re like “how bout palpatine lol”\n\nSoon as the first sentence rolled in the intro to 9 I knew this was going to suck", "This is the most negative, condescending, apathetic video I've ever seen. \n\nWhen we get to the point that we root against passion, I really think we've already lost the conversation before it happens. Like, what really are you rooting against here? Optimism at it's highest point? \n\nI will forever side with people being passionate, even if the thing they love is fictional, over endless skepticism, particularly skepticism that's directly pointed at someones happiness and going \"that's weird that you like this so much\". \n\nThat is such a weird, backwards mentality.", "It's not revisionism, the kids from the 90's that watched it and liked it just have a subreddit now where they can appreciate the charm of a set of movies they liked lol \n\nThe people who actively hated the prequels are in their late 30's to 50's now, it's not revisionist. Those people still hate the prequels. The kids that watched it at a young age just have the internet now.", "Have you seen anything Star Wars related that has Dave Filoni attached to it? I’ve found his way of storytelling is closer to “true Star Wars”. \n\nI like the story of the prequels, although not presented well, and the transition from ep3 to ep4 so The Clone Wars and Rebels really scratched that itch for me.", "However valid their point may be these are really inarticulate and bordering on foolish.", "Nice", "Ewoks. They existed for no other reason than merch.", "I couldn't tell you why I liked it, it just felt authentic. It had a certain amount of charm. And I really liked QGJ & Darth Maul. And I liked seeing young Obi-Wan. They're not perfect but they felt real.", "When you use the same exact language as the rest of the right wing complainosphere, it's pretty easy to figure out what your all about. We can learn all we need to know about your intentions based on the language used in your response and how it was structured. It's not rocket science. Also if you stopped watching after the \"fourth movie\" (which is a funny way to answer if you actually knew star wars), why are you in here bitching about all that stuff? Why do you care other than to spread your nonsense?", "It would certainly make financial forecasting reporting easier.", "Passion? The Star Wars sequels were not the creation of passion, rather corporate by the books approach. It was purely business. The corpratiziation of fandoms is also purely cynical, and pose a danger where powerful rich corporations groom people to be fanatical about their products and see them as giving them meaning and purpose. In effect, corporate endorsed cults.", "I would be as bold as to say that rogue one is the best star wars movie.", "Star Wars has [ALWAYS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenner_Star_Wars_action_figures) been a vehicle for selling toys and other shit.\n\nThe point I'm making is that the new movie's are paint-by-number, designed primarily with the intention of maximizing profits, Episode 7 is quite literally just a repaint of Episode 4 so Disney could make back some of their $5B purchase. Episode 1 was Lucas' attempt (though admittedly a bad one) to expand the series as everyone had been asking for. Lucas himself was a bit of a money-hungry dipshit, but the people working on it cared about what was being made. The Disney team as a whole seems to primarily care about the cash, not the product. Favreau being the obvious exception.", "[Kenner Star Wars action figures](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenner_Star_Wars_action_figures) \n \n >The Kenner toy company produced a line of Star Wars action figures based on characters in the original Star Wars movie trilogy. Over 100 unique action figures were produced and sold from 1978 to 1985, during which time more than 300 million Star Wars action figures were sold. Kenner began producing new Star Wars action figures in 1995.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "I'm 27. I watched The Phantom menace at the cinemas when it first came out, in 1999. it was awesome. And like fine wine, my impression of Star wars: episode I has only improved.", "> Passion?\n\nThe fanbases passion. I'm talking about their criticism of the fanbases passion. \n\n> corporate endorsed cults.\n\nThat's not what it is, even in the clip they reference Beatlemania, this kind of fanaticism happens all the time, it's happening now for BTS. It's normal and how human beings work when they find something they love or have some connection. \n\nAnd I think shows like GOT, or even video games like Halo and COD show us that when things go bad, the fanaticism or furvor for things can very easily go away and isn't as core to people as your implying.\n\nedit: \n\nAlso, I'd argue if anything you have this reversed in some ways. I don't believe corporations can ever create this type of fanaticism, it doesn't work that way. If it did every corporation would be doing it, but most dream of having fan bases like this. What happened here is a furvor was latched onto by a corporation and they profitted heavily off of it, yes. But I don't think you can say this is some grand corporate conspiracy that they created, creating something like this is not as easy as your implying, and often only happens for things with a long term built in faith or trust, like Star Wars or Marvel comics. Not everything can do this.", "yeah seriously, god forbid anyone likes anything too much. There are plenty of complaints to make about the new movies without attacking the people who were excited by the idea that they might be good", "Most likely yes to some degree. But I don’t know if it’ll be quite as severe as the turn was with the prequels. George double downed on the prequel era and just kept expanding it with the Clone Wars etc. I don’t know that Lucasfilm will commit as strongly to the sequel era and build out all the added stuff the way George did that improved the prequel era. \n\nI do absolutely agree though that the films will be viewed more fondly in a few years.", "It’s not just movies, the new apple foundation series turned from political drama to basically live action Clone Wars", "It hasn't been in decades. Let it go.", "Nailed it. Lucas was able to self-finance the second two films of the OT off the back of the merchandising rights he got in lieu of a real paycheck for directing New Hope; before Star Wars film tie-in toys were in their infancy and usually burned out not long after the film opened, and since Fox didn’t have a lot of faith in this weird Buck Rodgers meets Joseph Campbell side project they thought they were saving money by buying Lucas off without spending any real dollars. Lucas, of course, got the last laugh. It’s always been a merchandising opportunity.", "KOTOR.", "You’ve got some major rose tinted glasses if you think the Lucas movies weren’t cash grabs. \n\nHell, just the idea of the OT Special Editions was a way of just giving an excuse to clean them up and put them back in theaters and re-build the hype for Episode 1 that was already in the planning stages. \n\nAnd then all of the prequels were marketed and licensed to obscene, never before seen levels.\n\nGeneral Grievous suddenly being a new, major character in the third act of a story while spinning four lightsabers isn’t the result of an artist earnestly trying to express their vision.", "You’d be surprised.", "I had a similar realization.\n\nI like most of the Star Wars video games I've played, I like most of the old EU material that I've read, I like the tabletop games and even the RPG that FFG created, but out of 11 Star Wars movies I only actually enjoy the first 3 and I never was able to get into The Mandalorian or either of the cartoons.\n\nI like Star Wars as a setting I guess, but not as a film franchise.", "Its the same thing as folks who _really_ love the OT era. They often don't just talk about moments or characters from the films, they're pulling from the old Expanded Universe; books, comics, video games, you name it, there's a solid decade and a half before the prequels, and even after until the Disney buy-out, where people were telling really good (and some really _bad_) stories in the universe that was only tangentially related to the actual films.\n\nThen on top of that, it certainly doesn't hurt that the original films were blockbuster hits that created a massive fan-following in their day and hold up still today.", "Star Wars was never that great. There, I said it. The music and sound design are iconic and amazing. The visual effects were really good for their time. Otherwise, it's a pretty uninspired story with cookie-cutter characters in a thin fantasy universe ripped off primarily from Dune and Akira Kurosawa.", "[Here's a video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uhi-YAkz2vk) from couple weeks ago where they talk about how much they both liked Midnight Mass. There was a video about Dune couple days ago where they gave it a review and compared it to the old David Lynch version. They thought it was very good, but pointed out few flaws. \n\nThose are their two newest review videos. They're recommending films quite often. Yeah, they bash shit movies, but they also do tell why they didn't like them. \n\nIt looks like Ghostbusters Afterlife is sitting on 63% score on Rotten Tomatoes, so it doesn't look like they're only ones who didn't like it.\n\nedit: there was ghostbusters afterlife review between dune and midnight mass review, don't know how I forgot it.", "It's not that they didn't flesh out the new trilogy, they didn't write it. Those 3 movies were just a hot mess that didn't tell a single over arching story. Such a waste", "No, I'm saying that the type of fan who spends the time making a review almost as long as the movie itself is also the type of fan he's criticizing in this video.", "WERE THERE ANY?!", "It hasn't been special since the original trilogy. \n\nSame goes for the MCU and this is coming from someone that grew up with Spider-Man as his favourite superhero. Who also loved the X-Men, Hulk, Iron-Man etc. I was absolutely over the moon with Iron-Man 1 and many of the MCU movies. But I can acknowledge how formulaic it quickly became. I accepted the formula and the movies were entertaining enough. But then it just hit a threshold where the formula just depleted its magic. Before Endgame I was already done with movies like Ant-Man and the Wasp and Captain Marvel. The formula had really grown into something extremely generic. All of the movies were just the same. \n\nWhen Infinity War and Endgame happened I was just satisfied with that being the end and it should've been the end. I checked out Spider-Man far from home out of curiosity, but that really cemented how the MCU was truly over for me. That was just another generic MCU movie. It had its good moments, but it mostly did nothing for me. The upcoming Spidey movie also just seems to follow the trend of multiverses these days. It's all the same. Every big franchise is doing multiverse storylines now. They are all drying up the same well. The movies just have to speak to a broad audience, which then leads to a very watered down story and bland characters that pass a quality control panel. They just tick boxes off and release the movies. \n\nI haven't even watched the MCU series and I haven't watched a single MCU movie since Far From Home. Endgame was simply the end.\n\nThese franchises will always overstay their welcome because they are money printers.", "Imagine wanting to make as much money as possible and at the same time deciding to wing it for a trilogy of films. By being incompetent they left a lot of money on the table.", "I watched Rogue One as a casual Star Wars viewer and thought it was a big bore. Can't even remember the movie anymore. Never watched the Mandalorian. Nothing about it got my interest.", "I've heard Rogue One described as the Call of Duty of Star Wars and I'd say it's fairly accurate.\n\nEvery single character is a completely forgettable non-person barring the one returning character from elsewhere in the franchise (Vader/Price) and the story only exists to facilitate memorable action set pieces as opposed to actual storytelling.", "Good luck in your glorious career as the world's best turd polisher.", "Yeah it is.", "I cannot argue with you. Especially after threw out the cannon for Star Wars, there wasn't a whole lot to build upon. But if they took a bit more time setting stories up and expanding SW film universe, before committing to 1 film a year, they might actually be releasing a film a year now. \n\nHaven't kept up with the MCU for the almost the same reason, but the foundation was solid at least.", "Lucas always wanted to make as much money as possible, that's clear. If it was completely just a product for him though the prequel trilogy wouldn't start with a taxation dispute. Lots of stuff in the prequels is not the easy choice for mass appeal.\n\nThe Disney sequels on other hand shoves as much \"remember Star Wars\" stuff in your face as possible right off the bat and gets the most corporate friendly director possible to carry it out.", "He’s a content creator. He makes tons of other videos about other movies. To try to accuse him of hypocrisy for being interested enough in a film to critique it is fucking laughably absurd.\n\nYour fanboyism is showing", "Dude the fandom has turned into a massive bizarre entity that is absolutely worth dissecting and discussing, especially for a channel whose audience is expecting content on the bizarre derailment of Star Wars as a franchise.\n\nIts not “mean spirited” to make a video on a fandom. That is so ludicrously fragile.", "Mike wasn't even praising the prequels there. He is talking exclusively about how the behind the scenes features of the prequels didn't try to be the perfect glossy utopia where everything is perfect and everyone gets along like Disney tries to show", "I just liked seeing a darker Star Wars movie. My dream is an R-rated trilogy about the Yuuzhan Vong but no way that happens under Disney.", "Ironically, they're the only big YT film critics I know who have made and released their own films. They understand how difficult film making is better than other critics, from what I've seen.", "*NO!!!", "sports aren't scripted though", "Turns out they were right though. They half-assed the sequel trilogy and still made billions.", "I'd loooove to see what Quentin Tarantino would do with star wars. Make it a gritty western of an underworld crime genre.", "But it was lower than expectations and it hurt he brand. A lot of people saw them but didn't like them, or they tuned out after last Jedi. And Solo bombed and remains one of the biggest box office bombs ever to this day. \n\nThey have to win those people back. It led to Disney massively scaling back plans where they were initially going to make a film every single year from here on out.", ">If Ryan Johnson was given the first movie and second it would have been better, but what he tried was not good enough.\n\nBut he wasn't given the first movie, so he tried* to make the second movie something new and different for Star Wars. You said the sequels didn't try, and that's where I disagree. They did try to do something different, it just didn't work for a lot people, so instead of trying to keep doing different they tried to reel in the prequel memes people with Palps. \n\nIt's funny, arguments like it \"abandon the previous story\" and \"side missions that proved pointless\" can be said about ESB too, so the problem can't be just the subversion of the the previous plot. The Finn/Rose and Poe side plots are not as enjoyable as the Falcon side plot from ESB, that's their problem. They added too many new characters and were too complicated. I liked them more though after I considered them as a part of the whole movie, which is about Luke. Poe's plot is showing us the Luke Skywalker everyone, including the audience, wants him to be; the hotshot hero the flies in and saves the day. Finn's plot is showing us the Luke Skywalker that wants to run away from the thing he's afraid of.", "100%", "There is just SO much potential for the universe, I feel like just doing one-offs would have a lot of success, but Disney loves those sequels.", "Clone Wars is a good example of recent-ish quality Star Wars content. But it was the exception, not the rule.\n\nAnd, I'd have to read more about it to really be sure, but I assume that was an example of what could happen when Lucas did not have full control over everything.\n\nThe main series was at a low point after the poor reception of the second trilogy, Lucas was dragging his feet. And not a whole lot else was happening... I guess that Star Wars Detour thing was in the works. He did not need the money, he sold it because he must have felt done with it, or overwhelmed by the burden of producing content when the previous attempt was not loved.", "thats what all 'behind the scenes' things are", "Well, if you accept that the original Star Wars was heavily inspired by the old adventure serials of the past (Flash Gordon, Buck Rodgers) and other pulp fiction then the franchise could just steal from those to fill out its lore.", "Star Wars EU, for when you just have to find out what every extra in the Mos Eisely cantina has been up to.", "Two old fucks who like the original 3 movies. We get it.", "I reject the notion that because an episode is not connected to an overarching story that it has no value. The show is not meant to be an 8 episode movie.", "The Vader scene might look badass, but it is also little more than fan service. It's the exact same thing that's dragging down the franchise with endless \"remember this?\" moments.", "The talk about how everyone is black or white with movies now is why I like The Weekly Planet Podcast's movie rating system.\n\nEvery movie receives one of two ratings. Best movie ever or worst movie ever.", "The first few episodes started out so well :(\n\nEdit: just realized i still have to watch the season finale", "I blame anime.", "To be fair even the same director struggles with being consistent. I mean Kylo was the biggest edge-lord in the universe for both 7 and 8. And then in 9 he renounces his Sith ways because... reasons. Sure the dude murdered his father in cold blood... but he's not all bad!", " I think they fucked up appointing JJ Abrams. Star Trek fans had already been burned by him. He has always been a director who could only ever ask questions without a good answer. His trick is to appeal to shallow nostalgia. \n\nI think he could direct a great movie but he has to be far away from the writing", "I think it was more than 10,000 ships, it was \"10,000 times more\" than the first order had. All made completely secretly on some hellish junk planet and fully staffed somehow.", "Episodes 4, 5, 6, and 1 are the only Star Wars that matter. CGI Yoda, dropping JarJar and making Boba Fett the clones is all fan fiction.", "Right, well I know everything I need to know about you as well. Dime a dozen keyboard warrior fanboy. Not everyone is interested in knowing the titles and orders by heart. I definitely did not claim to know them, just that the later movies suck much more than first few.", "Disney didnt make Deadpool, 20th century Fox did. \n\nEndGame was absolutely god awful of a film \n\n\nThe new Star Wars movies WERE hot garbage with the exception of the Force Awakens which was a decent setup. \n\n\nDisney doesn’t care if the movies they make are actually good, they just want to make movies people will pay to see. Have some kind of hamfisted merchandising character, do the bare minimum for story and spend most of the budget on marketing. They really dont even need to try to make a good movie or story.", "I went to watch What If? but the what if questions seemed really lame. Then I watched a bit of one episode and Hawkeye fell off like an eight-story building and didn't get hurt and yeah I'm out.", "And then the \"new empire\" gets smacked down again only to reveal an entire armada of super-duper weapons that were being secretly created on a super secret planet by the bad guy who died 3 movies ago...", "Don't forget there's an army of morons out there now who thinks the prequel trilogy are legitimately good films.", "As much as I hate the newest trilogy, at least they're entertaining in a \"turn my brain off and watch the space lasers\" aspect. The prequel trilogy is just boring trash.", "Isn't there a rule for this? That basically any community that is based on irony will eventually be co-opted by people who sincerely believe the thing that the community was ironically making fun of?", "Episode 3 is trash too, my man.", "The prequel movies are way fucking worse than the new trilogy. It's not even comparable.", ">Disney doesn’t care if the movies they make are actually good, they just want to make movies people will pay to see\n\nThis is a contradictory statement. If they make bad movies then people wont see them. And we know this is true because Disney canceled projects after Solo did so poorly. Also, Rise of Skywalker made LESS money than TLJ, and TLJ made LESS money than The Force Awakens. So you're theory of \"make crappy movies to make more money\" doesnt really hold up here. Star wars performed poorly, and the quality of the movie DOES track with performance. If you think Disney execs didnt notice this, i just dont know what to tell you. \n\nAnd you may not like Endgame, but it got a 94% on rotten tomatoes. I thought it was great considering it should have sucked with all the characters stuffed into it. For reference, Avengers 2 has a 75% so its not like they're handing out A's to every marvel movie. And look, you're seeing a Marvel movie, its not going to be There Will Be Blood.", "> Same, nothing is ever going to be like those 40 year old films so why even expect anything like them?\n\nTo be fair, The Mandolorian proved that's not really true.", "> Instead he was a happy-go-lucky pod racing slave and the whole thing was a bad love story wrapped around a misunderstanding.\n\nWhat an absolutely perfect way to describe what is wrong at the very core of the prequel trilogy. Kudos!", "Episode 9 approaches prequel level of bafflingly awful.", "It started there, but it's bled over into the other Star Wars subs.", "Most zoomers weren't even born when the prequels came out.", "Its not contradictory. They make movies that are bad - mediocre and market the hell out of them so people pay to see them.\n\n\nYes the last 2 sequels did worse but they still made over $1billion. Which proves my point, they made a BILLION dollars for making those absolute asinine, after-thought movies. \n\n\nAnd I won’t get too much into end-game because that’s a whole conversation that will suck the life out of me. Ill concede that lots of people enjoyed it and I did not.", "The only consolation for me is knowing that Disney paid $4Billion for the franchise right before it dissolved into \"meh\"", "Yeah, no shit that's what I am, at least I have the balls to admit it. You're sitting on here bitching about how it's propaganda or that it's gotten political and you haven't even seen the newest movies. You are just complaining about how they are perceived instead of what the actual problems with the films are. Maybe watch the things you bitch about if you are going to throw criticism? I don't even know why I'm bothering responding, you are just Sealioning people.", "I was a kid watching them and it felt special and amazing. I dare to say that I enjoyed the prelogy more than the og trilogy. I loved those lively cities and the universe looked amazing. \nI watched the episode 7 trailer with the same enthusiasm. Turns out the movie sucked and the magic was gone. Still haven't seen episode 9 and will never do.", "The sequels were written by 3 different groups of people, and directed by two different groups. They didn't need suits to meddle in two of them because JJ Abrams writes like a Disney accountant in the first place.", "I honestly can't remember if I saw Episode 9.", "Again the next quarter literally doesn’t exist to them. Yes, if you are Disney and you want a stable cash flow, you’d want that. You can see exactly that, and what they’re trying to do even now with SW, in the MCU: one clear vision that continually produces fruit. \n\nBut to the investors that doesn’t matter. If the name “Star Wars” even just sells enough on its own to either be more than last quarter or simply overshadowed by other IPs, they’re happy. \n\nAnd I think that’s what’s happening here, Star Wars has a kind of magic that the MCU had to work really hard to get, which is that they can but out utter horseshit and it’s a cultural phenomenon. Hell, Lucas was the original demonstrator in the early 2000s with the prequel trilogy. \n\nSo yeah they don’t really care about the health of the franchise narratively, because it makes enough quarter over quarter profit to make them happy.", "Mandalorian is close, but still very much in the vein of a modern-style tv show. Which I don't mind, it's the closest I've felt to watching Star Wars in a longggggggg time", "Rey's theme is fantastic", "Not only is it fan service, but it's fan service in the direct opposite of what we've seen Darth Vader do. This scene plays out right before A New Hope, where the most we see Darth Vader do is raise his hand.\n\nIt's a mess.", "From large companies like Disney/Marvel, it seems that the movies are almost decided by an algorithm set to maximize appeal to different groups and seem like they're just checking off boxes. For example, there is always a creature (or robot) of sorts in these types of movies. They always are the same, fucking, thing, every time.\n\n - It doesn't speak any understandable language\n - It's either cute/meek (Baby Yoda, 'baby' Groot), or really large/intimidating (Chewy/OG Groot)\n\nThose are just some examples, but seems there's ALWAYS one in all those huge studio movies. I mean, makes sense, as all these \"rules\" these movies check off are meant to make the movie as inclusive and enjoyable for anyone. That means more people watching it to bring in the profits.\n\nI don't know, the movies just seem to almost be made from an algorithm of sorts, to the point where they're so incredibly predictable it's possible to even guess dialogue on occasion. It's a shame, because there's SO much more they could do with certain movies/genres. Imagine a dark, serious movie made by Disney using a popular IP. Or if they put all their effort into making one hell of a horror movie. I'd just like to see something that isn't the same old predictable movies, especially from these larger studios who admittedly have a LOT of resources and good talent.", "It's much less hard to keep up with the Disney+ shows. It's all on the same platform and the seasons are only like 8 episodes with no overlapping content.", "I was right there with you on that but at this point I'd say stop hoping because you aren't gonna like what they come up with if they ever do it.", "No disagreement there. It’s movie movie by focus group.", "I tried but found them too cringy. The first ones I had enjoyed so obviously I tried. Of course I bitch about how I perceived them, isn't it how it works? There are many problems with these movies and writing the script with agenda in mind was one of them. \n\nFunny, I'm pretty sure you can see it too (it's not that it's subtle), but choose to omit that because of other factors. Which is totally fine. Feel free not to reply, we already put too much effort into useless conversation.", "Yeah but there's a lot of shows left to go. And it seems like every month a new one is announced. The market is getting too oversaturated for me", "Indeed, my optimism is pretty dead for it", "I think PrequelMemes is to blame for this. I love PrequelMemes, but the prequels still suck.", "The only thing that kept the prequels from going completely off the rails is that they had to try to connect back up to the continuity of the original films.\n\nThe sequels took a lot of risks, they were just shitty risks that didn't pay out.", "> It's better to watch a movie that is someone's attempt to do something great and it falls short\n\nLike The Last Jedi?", ">Which proves my point, they made a BILLION dollars for making those absolute asinine, after-thought movies. \n\nDude, this is silly. You really think Disney doesn't care that every star wars made less money than the one preceeding, and that solo nearly lost money, and they're canceling projects due to people not showing up? You really think they say \"you know what, who cares if we COULD have made 3 billion dollars. One billion is plenty for us, because we're not at all greedy\"\n\nIt's contradictory, you can't tell me that they're only in it for the money and also they don't care if the movie makes 2 billion vs 3 billion. And it's not like it costs significantly more to make a good movie. \n\nAnd clearly your \"market the hell out of it\" isn't working because less people see each one.\n\nQuality matters, and Disney knows this. Star wars and its performance vs marvel is clear evidence. And it's fine if you don't like endgame, but you rarely hear marvel fans hating endgame, while nearly every star was fan hates the sequels", "Probably. That's exactly what happened to The_Donald", "The problem is that he's an artist. He wanted to leave his imprint on his version of Star Wars. You see this a lot with artists who want to do their own spin on an existing franchise (killing off an established character, how original). They never care how their story choices will impact later works, they just want to make their fanfiction a reality.", "Thanks!", "The prequels weren't good but they tried to add to the story. The sequels did nothing but destroy the story.", "I just like the Revenge of the Sith novelisation. That’s some good shit.\n\nAnd Clone Wars is good.", ">Deadpool was a risk\n\nDisney didn't take a risk on Deadpool. Fox took a chance on Deadpool. Also, Fox had the rights to the IP to make the movie not Marvel. Then, Disney bought them (i.e. Fox).\n\nObviously, Deadpool was a great success. But, I just want to emphasize that Disney shouldn't get credit for taking the chance on it.", ">\"Do something original with the Star Wars Franchise\"\n\nTLJ released\n\n>\"No, not like that\"\n\nBrings back the same villain from the first 6 star wars movies\n\n\n>\"Yay something original!\"\n\n&nbsp;\n\nI fucking hate this fanbase.", "I think PCMasterRace is much the same. And GamersRiseUp.", "I do agree with you somewhat. I do like this channel a lot, but one of my main criticisms is when they talk about people like this. It’s just overly condescending and target the maturity of this particular portion of the fan base. I don’t have a link to the video, but in another he explains it less condescendingly that even if the material isn’t good, being in the crowd is misleading to the emotions and it’s easy to be swept up in.", "Even under that lens, an artist needs someone else in the room to give them feedback and perhaps not a single artist on earth is immune to this.\n\nEven with that in mind, his own artistic execution was sloppy as hell. The pacing was off, the writing left way too many holes that needed to be filled, and there were so many terrible character decisions all over on the micro level.\n\nA lot of artists fall victim to validating their own self worth by doing everything on their own, but it's not an excuse. It just means the collaborators deserve way more praise and publicity than they often get credit for.", "Hell No. Star Wars sequel trilogy movies are calibrated to be watchable. Milking the familiar patterns from the franchise. The Rise of Skywalker failed even that.", "Wasn't big on it either. I remember liking the Sheldon Cooper droid the least", "Star Wars Visions was way better than it had any right to be. I'd even recommend it to Star Wars fans who aren't into anime and vice versa.", "People like gritty remakes and when things go boom", "Whats a podcast?", "I mostly agree but there are a few directors out there who studios give free reign. Watch the new Dune, for example. Lots of smaller movies too are pretty artistically pure. The big shame is that the most popular stuff, the stuff we can all share has been ruined and that's just no fun.", "Star Wars at its core is a young adult adventure fantasy movie where a young luke skywalker escapes his dull, chore-filled farm life to fulfill a secret destiny, save the world and understand the nature of good and evil -- anyone that writes Star Wars and doesn't understand this as the main appeal is clueless to what made it so popular. It was an intoxicating fantasy for people.\n\nThat's the magic of it, that's the whole appeal - adventure - fish out of water stuff, being taken out of your shitty life, escaping and finding purpose in something larger than yourself. \n\nIt was what the world needed in the depressing 70s and the special effects and world only served to heighten this sense of escapism. \n\nPeople think it's about hard sci-fi, the time line, the lore, etc -- it isn't at all. You could make it that, but that's not where the magic and heart of it is.", "It's driven by the nostalgia of people who were like 6 when they came out. The movies were fucking atrocious, but nostalgia doesn't care.", "Un-true - these were called the \"special\" editions.", "Definitely the void the fall of organized religion left. Not an endorement of organized religion, but that's definitely what happened", "Man Star Wars fuckin sucks. Loved it so much as a kid but the recent treating of it just has me burnt out. There’s much better consistent franchises out there.", "I went back and watched arguably the worst of the prequels (Attack of the Clones) and, while bad, I still found it much more watchable than Rise of Skywalker. At least I knew what the hell was going on.", "How did you read that as me shilling for Disney? If anything I'm condemning them.", "Star Wars Died in 2015, not just with TLJ but in creativity and imagination. Just rehash of what we’ve seen before or bringing back beloved characters because our new ones simply suck. Also “NOSTALGIA” \n\nAnd don’t think I forgot about the Boba Fett show. Yes let me see the later years of a character that was MORE intriguing and badass during his time with the Empire and working alongside Jabba the Hutt.\n\nThe fact since 2015 only the Mandolorian has been their most risky and successful project tells you not anyone can direct and write Star Wars. But also that show plays too much on Fan Service and the service of Nostalgia", "That's just untrue. There are plenty of investors who are capable of seeing 5 feet in front of their nose.\n\nEspecially with movies and merchandising rights. Merchandising is a long haul game.", "Yeah, maybe the really rich ones. But don’t pretend it’s prevalent.", "Let them have fun. Stop being elitist. You're fucking complaining on shitty youtube.", "Same, I think after Iron Man 2 & Thor 2+3, Ultron, Guardians, I saw the directions these films were going and sadly they’ve stuck with it. They’re just Action Comedies", "The only thing we can really do is vote with our wallets", ".... and the fans are the ones to blame.", "The thing is, there is 0 incentive to do anything different.\n\nDisney makes a hot steaming pile of shit, but ya'll watch it anyway. And not only do you watch it, you make it the biggest blockbuster in the history of cinema. All that money, all that fandom. All that merchandise. For a half hearted effort.\n\nHonestly, Disney deserve the billions they get. They've found a way to print money, because all of you keep letting them.\n\nIf you don't want Disney to earn billions, don't support this bullshit.", "> do an avant-garde film about the Tuskan Raiders completely in Tuskan with no subtitles \n \nOne of the later Planet of the Ape remake films, where the apes are doing all the sign language. I had NO idea there was subtitles until like half way through the movie. And I LOVED it. I thought it was such a fucking cool creative choice. Not to hit the audience over the head, but just watching their body language and trying to infer what they were saying. So yeah, I would absolutely watch the shit out of Tuskan Raiders avant-garde film 😁😁", "Note that they haven't responded to you.\n\nThey aren't going to, either. They're dodging the question throughout the thread while still talking about the movies having an \"agenda.\" We all know what they're on about, they just don't have the stones to come right out and say it. It's typical of his ilk to play the plausible deniability game.\n\nHis comment history makes clear what he is, though. For example, he says elsewhere that the push for trans acceptance is intended to open the door to making pedophilia normal. Support for You Know Who, \"all lives matter,\" etc.\n\nThey're not a fully out loon, in no small part because they obviously make it a point to avoid being too open about their beliefs, but it's not hard to read between the lines.", "I think in some ways, but even in the late 60's and late 70's thinkers were already pointing to what is happening now, and what post modernity would be like. Lyotard essentially said that the break down of meta-narratives would result in loss of identity. \n\nEssentially, all the stories we've been telling ourselves about who we are have no baring in reality any longer. Certainly, religion is part of that, but also things like \"the American dream\", positions in local communities, etc. have all fallen by the wayside. \n\nCouple that with nearly a century of psychology applied to marketing, sales, and branding, and you have the situation we find ourselves in now.", "Seems like you watch through the super sarcastic synopsis of each movie (which is always jaded and negative-sounding) and then turn it off before you get to the actual review, which is colored by distaste for industry horseshit.", "> these people watched the prequels when they were 5 and have some childhood nostalgia for them\n\nyes.", "That wasn't really a \"remember this\" moment though. That might be the first time in the movies vader ever lived up to the hype.", "Kotor 1* \n\nKotor 2 was kinda shit", "Apparently they don’t care about the quality of the movie as long as its just good enough to make ass loads of profit. They won’t put in more effort than they have to. They can make good fucking movies, we all know that they are fully capable of it. So why would they make Starwars into what it was? \n\nBecause they cared more about the money than making an objectively good movie.", "That’s simply the issue with Hollywood/blockbusters in general.. these companies want to make money and they’ll do anything to make a film that is marketable to as many demographics as they can.", "Take his comments with a grain of salt, it’s more of a humorous/edgy observation than it is a true critique.", "To be fair, there are no stakes in the comics either. People die and come back almost on a weekly basis so it’s not unprecedented. In fact, no matter how deep the character arcs are in the comics the arcs kinda stay predictable in some ways. Hero faces challenge, hero gets defeated by challenge, hero reassembles after learning something new about themselves or relearning why they became a hero and then overcomes the challenge. \n\nIt’s not all bad though, people love repetition and similar stories, it’s comforting to know a resolution is coming. We like our expectations subverted, sure, but we like them subverted with a familiar resolution more often than not.", "I haven't watched it, but I'm not surprised. It's one of those sci-fi novel series where I have a hard time picturing any kind of television or movie series being made with any sort of mass appeal.", "At least the prequels have good memes. Sequels can't even do that much.", "I'll say it... Rogue one was a bad movie that exploited nostalgia no less than TFA and The Mandalorian is just an ok show.", "this is such bullshit, lol. Talk shit about the movies all you want but don't slander the creators. Any of the bts for the sequels will show you that everyone involved was super passionate and excited to be working on it, end product aside.", "What’s wrong with Doc McStuffins", "I've still only seen TLJ once in theaters and it was a terrible experience. Never seen ROS and never will. I have no interest at all in seeing how it ends.", "if the mandalorian is any indication it would seem they've figured out the formula lol, expect to see a lot of hallway scenes over the next decade", "One thing I liked was how menacing it made the Empire’s forces against non-Jedi’s. \n\nFor every movie we’d seen before it, anything shooting at you was just asking to have the beam knocked back at that. \n\nContrast that with the action in the ambush scene and you can really see the danger for regular folk \n\nhttps://youtu.be/XJT6t6tAmgo", "It's bad because they fucked it up dude.\n\nDo you seriously think they put no effort in? The budget was over a hundred million bucks.\n\nDisney is not \"just fine\" with only a billion. They didn't make a bad movie on purpose because \"who cares we make enough anyway\". \n\n>Because they cared more about the money than making an objectively good movie. \n\nThis is just dumb. They didn't make more money by making a bad movie. The opposite is true. Do you really think that thought that the worse the movie is the more money they make? \n\nAt least have consistent thoughts.", "Foundation seems to be one of those shows where the book readers hate it while the non-book readers love it!", "I don't get what Mike is complaining about. What's wrong with people being hyped about something they love or are big fans of? And on the topic of the BTS parts, maybe the production of the sequels wasn't riddled with arguments or controversy?", "As an action sci fi series, it’s not bad. The weakest parts are actually the storylines related to the book. I consider it basically the Cleon story. Lee Pace really stole the show", "After watching the new trilogy I had no idea what the movie was even about? Its not about fighting the big evil empire as rebels hoping for a better life nor on how the empire came to be. Its just a girl turned jedi somehow without guidance destroying someone that was an evil back then but is irrelevant now. Most of the cast doesnt even make sense and I have no idea why they were even in the movies. Why was Finn such a big role? He was kinda relevant in the first movie and then in the 2nd was searching for something that failed and had no relevance and in the 3rd completely unnecessary. The captain character was pretty much irrelevant besides the first two movies but even then if he wasnt there would have no consequences. The asian girl in the 2nd movie? Overall such a let down and somehow besides the iconic cast and characters from the original trilogy the movies were not worth watching at all.\n\nMaybe the wrong comment to whine under but I dont think they \"calibrated\" anything around the new trilogy besides the nostalgia effect which failed once the old characters werent around anymore and even then the story and script were so bad it couldnt carry anything.", ">It's like grown ups acting like children\n\nThis is what I hate the most about our modern culture. The total infantilization of adults.", "Yeah never read it so ignorance must be bliss because I really loved it, though the Cleon storyline was fascinating as well", "KOTOR 1 was a more solid and polished game but I thought KOTOR 2 had more interesting themes... A shame it was buggy and you can tell they ran out of time towards the end.\n\nKOTOR 1 was just all-around incredible, but I really liked KOTOR 2 for Kreia and how it kind of deconstructed the entire Star Wars universe.", "People probably don't bring it up because it's been done to death.\n\nWe get Luke's backstory with Kylo in TLJ and it is resolved, Luke is dead, the story between Kylo and Luke is finished and cannot develop any further.\n\nRey's backstory is finished, she wasn't anyone special she's just some girl from a shitty planet. Not the worst twist honestly but it throws out a bunch of memories and flashbacks from TFA that were ripe for development.\n\nSnoke, the overarching villain is destroyed leaving the story with no antagonist. Imagine if Vader was killed on Bespin and the Emperor didn't exist, where could you possibly go from there? Jabba becomes the primary antagonist? Introduce a brand new character? That is where TLJ left it.\n\nKylo and Rey's relationship is developed to the point of the climax and then completely destroyed again. Kylo is no longer believable as a villain because he's already had his turn. Again this is something the original trilogy saved for the end because it knew the story structure. You can't have your villain turn to good in the second film and then go back to evil. What's left for the last movie, another turn to good? It's already been done.\n\nThe rebels are said to be small with no resources, basically all you see on the last planet are it. The OT smartly never specified what resources and where the rebels had, so they could jump from planet to planet and introduce new interesting locations as different rebel bases. They were always under siege and attack but it gave you a sense of the power difference. Now the rebels are like 20 people with no ships, you've reduced their strength so much they are no longer an interesting faction to have plot development around.\n\nPoe and Finn have no interactions with major characters the whole movie. They might as well be in an entirely different film because their development, which there is a little of, is wholly involving them and nothing else. There aren't any plot threads there to resolve or explore, it's why TRS had to make up a back story for Poe to include and give Finn some friends to commiserate with, because they have no ties to the primary plot. They even removed Finn's adversary with Phasma.\n\nTLJ shut a whole bunch of doors by resolving this plot threads in ways where there isn't anywhere to go forward. Some of the ideas weren't bad, I like the Kylo and Rey teamup and the idea that she is a nobody and the force can come from anywhere, but RJ basically wrote himself into a corner then left it to someone else to try and fix.", "What a shit take.\n\nYou're implying everything prior to Disney was great. The fact is Lucas lost touch and everything has snowballed from there. The IP is still valid, but so far the main movies have sucked ass. Disney also manages Marvel which is by and large well receipted.", "The idea of being a \"star wars fan\" repels. I love the OT, they are super fun movies I can watch over and over despite the cheesiness.\n\nEverything that has followed is embarassing to me. The PT, fan film after fan film obsessing over lightsaber fights and every tiny detail of the films, the entire fanbase shitting on FA despite it being the first actually watchable star wars film in decades. The entire fanbase creaming over 30 mins of action and completely ignoring the souless and boring 90 mins that preceded it.", "Ah yes, the soulful charm of terrible writing performed in front of a greenscreen.", "This opinion never fails to baffle me. Have any of you watched the prequels as adults?", "The prequels being written by GL is why they suck.", "Hey that's not true, I like the part where Anakin murders a room full of children.", "What? Mike spends a significant amount of those reviews shitting on GL for only making the movies so he could make ass loads of money.", "And then someone made a pretty good fan film in 2015 called the force awakens. It brought back the feeling star wars for a new generation, but everyone hated it because it's plot points were too similar to the original.", "I think a lot of it probably depends on your age when these movies came out. When I was super young I used to watch the original Star Wars trilogy all the time so when the prequels came out I remember being taken to see each one of em in theaters and it feeling like an event.", "Its all about the resources they are willing to put in to make the movie. They can make good movies if they want to", "Star Wars hasn't been special for me since Empire. One word: Ewoks.", "I know Rian Johnson said otherwise but I am convinced JJ Abrams had a general trilogy plot in mind (most likely a shit one, because he sucks at writing). This is because imho its obvious he took several concepts from the EU (Kylo/Rei is very close to Jacen/Jaina, the emperor coming back thanks to cloning is straight out of Dark Empire). He probably just never had anything physically written down because Disney was clearly not planning ahead. When Johnson took over he made a point of turning everything to shit with this trollish 12-year old idea of just spitting in everyone's face, and when Abrams came back he just went ahead as best as he could with his original plan, except now he had 1 movie instead of 2 to move things forward. \n\n(To clarify: I neither defend Rise of Skywalker which is a pile of shit, nor JJ Abrams who imho has only done a single good movie in his life and that's Super8, but I just have the strong impression that you for good or ill, he had a plan for the trilogy as a whole)", "In a perfect world, after End Game they would have shelved the MCU for a few years and then came out with a fresh approach years later. Instead it's all forgettable trash nowadays.", "You're 100% right. \n\nI don't understand why Disney didn't hire a team of the best writers money can buy and write and plan the trilogy properly. You can then hire directors that can use their creativity to a certain degree but have to follow the scripts. Get whoever was overseeing the MCU to manage the whole process and suddenly you get a good trilogy that serves as a springboard for the rest of the future Star Wars movies and series. It's just mind-boggling that they dropped the ball this badly", "Flows to me… the second one gives confidence that even if your grandpa is a raging asshole you are your own person", "Well I still enjoy it", "Exact same thoughts here. TLJ let me know i could stop caring about the trilogy, so was pretty much tuned out and expecting nothing from 9 (and we indeed got nothing).", "Honestly weirds me out that people will fawn over CGI: The Movie where the plot is \"good guy vs bad guy, good guy wins\" multiple times a year. I wish Hollywood would spend more time working on scripts from the blacklist.", "I literally think the people in charge of SW (Kennedy and her staff) wouldn't be able to tell a good writer from a terrible one to save their life. I believe there is a mentality there (and in other big entertainment companies, I see this in videogames a lot) where a \"good writer\" is one who can deliver their script/subject in the required amount of words, adhering to internal policies (like age restriction limits) and within the established deadlines. That's it, creativity never comes into play because 1) no one cares and 2) no one would be able to tell if your script is creative and smart or deranged and absurd. \n\nI would bet you any sum of money that star wars execs watch The Mandalorian and The Last Jedi and have absolutely no idea why one is liked by the fans and the other caused a shitstorm. Or why the same people like Tony Stark's quirkiness and sarcasm but claw their eyes out when Poe Dameron tells yo mama jokes at general Hux", "The MCU should have taken a 5 year break or something after endgame, the book was closed for me too. The new stuff is good, but I've pretty much had my fill and the hype train has left the station.", ">John Boyega is clearly a true Star Wars fan with such utter disappointment for the new trilogy\n\nJohn Boyega is a joke", "It’s not special because they’re beating that storyline to death. For a while now, the really interesting things have been happening outside of the skywalker saga. I still love the universe and want more stories from it. Rehashing episode 6 just so you can kill >!Han!< Was a waste of time. That was the story >! Harrison !<wanted because it’s how he wanted 6 to end. So they made an entire movie because they wanted him back and those were his terms.", "Spoiler alert: it never was", "and why return of the jedi sucked ass.", "Fantasy sci-fi is only truly special as a kid unless you use drugs.", "This logic is stupid. That's like saying sports fans are dumb for going to a game and their team ends up losing. Shoot me taking an interest in something.", "It is Disney's fault to not look at their multi-billion dollar IP and take a glance at what made the prequel trilogy unsuccessful and attempt to avoid it.\n\nIf anything they doubled down. There really was no reason that they couldn't make a fuckload of money as well as make good films. There was a clear preference for one over the other.", "Man I thought almost all of the characters were either annoying or dull in Kotor 2. Kreia and the knockoff Carth were annoying and pretty much none of the other characters had much backstory or involvement with the plot except Bao-dur. Darth nihilus was mentioned and appeared like one time before you killed him. A lot of the interactions with your crew won't happen unless you talk to specific people in a specific order so they are all easily missed.", "The funniest part is when the subreddit goes full circle. An example: there was a post showing that Obi-Wan says \"Hello There\" in the original movie with a similar tone and cadence as the memed-out \"Hello There\" from the prequels. The post skyrocketed to the top of the subreddit and the tops comments were pointing to how fun it was that this iconic moment from the prequels had a parallel in the OT.\n\nBut, the thing is, that was the joke. People originally highlighted the \"Hello There\" in the prequels because it was a forced, out of place, poor attempt at a callback to the original trilogy. A million people, maybe more, all joined in later and started repeating the joke as if the only purpose was to have an inside joke (\"lol, it's a prequel meme!\") with no knowledge that the joke had an origin. It's fucking weird, if you ask me.", "Eh, I can understand why people would not like the MCU but I still enjoy the movies. Generally its been pretty nice to see my super heroes get the big screen treatment and have been pretty satisfactory to me. It's not like comics were mind-blowing literary masterpieces either.\n\nI can understand why people seem to gripe on the Star Wars film more because they have this nostalgic filter in their head and they put it on a pedestal. I never really had that with an of the Marvel Comics Heores.", "I've always felt bad for him more than the ret of the cast. Not only was he a fan, but he was wasted as well. Hell even the way they revealed his character in the first trailer wasn't great. Having some sweaty stormtrooper popping up from the bottom of the screen as the very first shot everybody sees just came off as a SNL skit.", "They suck, but they don't suck as much. They have redeeming properties and you can at least summarise the story/trilogy Lucas wanted to tell in a sentence or two.", "I will always defend 7 to a certain degree. After the backlash to the prequels and the doubts about Disney taking over, of course they had to play it safe and give us A New Hope: Part 2. It wasn't anything amazing but it set up a solid foundation to launch the next two films from. Then Episode 8 starts throwing 7 away right from the title crawl through to the end of the movie and makes it impossible to build a proper trilogy.", "I disagree about the magic being completely gone. The Mandalorian, The Clone Wars animated series and Star Wars Visions have all been great. Granted, most of that came out long after this video and Red Letter has strangely not touched any of it aside from the first season of The Mandalorian. Almost like they only want to talk about bad Star Wars and not the good.", "I openly laughed my ass off at the opening screen. Like, holy Fucking shit, you immediately knew it was gonna fucking suck.", "I really hate this notion that RLM has been popularizing for the past 15 years or so. The originals were built by committee. Marcia Lucas saved a dog shit script in the editing room and won an academy award for her efforts. \n\nIrvin Kershner and Lawrence Kasdan made the next two films magic. \n\nLucas made a good student film and had a creative vision, but his work only achieved greatness in the hands of better storytellers.", "These star wars episodes of Half In The Bag are both hysterical and depressing at the same time. Mike & Jay are like the modern day equivalent of Siskel and Ebert.", "Episode 8 was the most disappointing movie I've ever seen.\n\nYou had so many potential great characters that they absolutely just wasted.\n\nDo nothing plot lines, a billion gotcha moments and the worst reprisal of a character in movie history with how they treated Luke. \n\nThis movie had one purpose and one purpose only:\n\nTo kill the old Star Wars so that Disney could build new ones to profit from.\n\nOne example:\n\nGeorge Lucas \"Luke is the strongest Jedi\"\nDisney \"let's kill him off quickly and make Rey even stronger.... Oh yeah and with no training\"\n\nAbsolutely ruined Star Wars for me and so many of my friends.", "Just have thrawn have been trapped somewhere with time dilation, so he’s basically just ready to go and from his perspective he basically time travelled forward.", "Phantom menace would be great if the aged up anakin a bit and got rid of jar jar, its a really cool movie otherwise. Clone wars is bad, but revenge of the sith is unironically the favorite star wars movie for many (myself included) and has been for years. The prequels are not as bad as everyone makes them out to be, they do have a charm to them.", "What's the magic resource to make a good starwars and why won't they spend on it?", "He had absolutely zero plan for Lost, so I don't necessarily think he was writing any further along for Star Wars.", "Just the suggestive imagery of Palpatine having sex had me rolling over in fits. I’m still laughing to this day.", "How depressing to build your career on bitching about shit. Who cares? Don’t watch it if you don’t like it. These guys are jokes.", "Hobbit movies really weren't that bad, and for whatever complaints you may have with them, they were pretty damn true to the book (books if we wanna reference the Silmarilion and such the extra scenes were pulled from).\n\nThe only obvious additions I can think of was the stupid Elf/Dwarf love story, and I'd have been very happy to see that gone, but everything else was mostly within bounds.\n\n\nBiggest issue they ran into from my mind was trying to merge the tone of the Hobbit with that of Lord of the Rings, where they're just completely different kind of stories in style and tone. They clearly didn't want to do the kind of cheesey, silly lighthearted story that Hobbit was, so they tried to make it an epic and awesome tale like LotR, but with the Hobbit's storyline, which is an awkward mesh at best.", "> Imagine wanting to make as much money as possible and at the same time deciding to wing it for a trilogy of films.\n\nThis blows my fucking mind.\n\nThey set out to buy the rights to the franchise and make a sequel trilogy, and then just wrote them 1 movie at a time, with none of the movies flowing into the next at all.\n\nThe third one was garbage, of course, but a lot of the problems are because the second one threw away all the setup from the first and left no setup left for the third- there wasn't even a villain left to fight anymore, only Kylo who's been repeatedly shown to be less than Rey at every interaction. So I can't even blame them for bringing Palpatine back, what else could they have done? Just brought out another guy from whole cloth? It would have been lame either way, might as well try make it fun.\n\nIf they'd sat down and actually planned out a story to tell over three movies, they may have been able to do something great, or at least something good.", "Weird Al called it back in... checks notes..... 1985! \n\n\"The long-term contract I had to sign\nSays I'll be making these movies till the end of time\"", "I mean, there are, what, three Marvel movies a year? Who can blame 'em for wanting to milk a franchise that was literally created to be milked.", "Right, except that's not how movies work anymore. The post-box-office market, what used to be DVDs and VHSs, is dead and gone, replaced by subscription services. I forget who it was now, some late 80s, early 90s filmmaker, who said as much in an interview: there is no room in production budgets for the slow burn movie, the one that does well on home video or something, because that market no longer exists.", ">Maybe the wrong comment to whine under but I dont think they \"calibrated\" anything around the new trilogy besides the nostalgia effect which failed once the old characters werent around anymore and even then the story and script were so bad it couldnt carry anything.\n\nI mean, the diversity hires were a bit on the nose... I'm not complaining about diversity per se, but it was so obvious and so shoehorned.\n\nPlus, you had the usual made-for-merch characters of the porgs and BB-8.", "It was Matt Damon.\n\nThere is still merchandise, spin-offs, cartoon etc. \n\nI’m no movie exec but positive cash flow is always good right?", ">There is still merchandise, spin-offs, cartoon etc.\n\nYeah, those come off massive, inoffensive, cookie-cutter blockbusters, especially series. Like Star Wars. Quality has never been a requirement to sell merch. See: Porgs.", "I guess the term “ good “ movie is all about perspective", "Mmm space rape", "I also would have greatly welcomed a more serious/dark telling of stories rather than trying to remake the first movies too. Like Nolan did with Batman. I haven't even seen the most recent movie because while the plots were different, the first 2 new movies just felt that bad versions of the originals.", "Never forget that his return was revealed in Fortnight", "Well Rogue One, the proper prequel, can be added to the original three. \n\nThe only question, then, would be: should Rogue One ought be watched before or after the original three.", "\nYou can’t honestly tell me you felt as though Disney actually had the sequels all written/planned from the outset? \n\n\nThey chose to rush the creation of the sequels instead of take their time making something genuinely good.", "I guess they can make him return again or any other time in the future", "OK, let's back up a bit and start with Lord of the Rings.\n\nThis was 3 350-page books turned into 3 3-hour movies.\n\nSomething happens along the way in this trilogy. Fellowship is amazing. Why? Because that book is 90% setup and 10% story progress. They made an amazing movie because Peter was very focused on it not flopping, which LoTR projects up to that point had a history of doing.\n\nFor the second movie, they start taking liberties. They add this Aragorn love triangle that never existed. Still was very faithful to the books.\n\nBy the third movie, we notice a major departure: Legolas. In the books, he's present, but he and Gimli are very much supporting characters. But what do we get? An elven shield skateboard and Legolas grinds the trunk of an oliphant. By this point, he's much bigger than his role in the books were. Now why is that? Because the chicks dig him. Legolas is playing to the female audience members who want to see cute Orlando Bloom do cute things. It is annoying. Another factor is that Peter has already grossed a bazillion million dollars on this project. By Return of the King, he can do anything he wants without it flopping.\n\nOK, now we have the Hobbit. It's a 310-page book that...drumroll...is going to be made into 3 movies. WHY? Because we're gonna milk Tolkien's writing for every dollar we can.\n\nThe first movie is...drumroll...169 minutes. Close to 3 hours to tell 100 page of a book. The CGI is also kicked up along with the framerate, and we have people vomiting while watching it. How symbolic.\n\nThe Desolation of Smaug. Here's a problem already. Smaug doesn't really show up until the third act of that book, but whatever.\nWe get spiders and then the wood elves. Uh oh, now guess what!? We have Kate the elf from LOST. The purpose of here character is basically to fall in love with a dwarf. Cringe And just in case you haven't had enough cringe, guess who shows up? Legolas. Now, we do have the argument that he's the son of the wood elf king, but that's not why he's in this movie. The reason he's in this movie is singular: The chicks dig him. These hobbits and dwarfs just aren't nearly as cute as Legolas. Cash grab if there ever was one. A giant red flag has been raised, and the writing is on the wall for the next movie. Because we have a serious problem. We gonna have another 2-and-a-half hour film made out of what is maybe 50 pages tops in the book. Smaug is going to attack Laketown.\n\nAnd maybe, just maybe, Peter has a plan. Maybe he's going to make the Battle of Five Armies this epic fight similar to the lengthy battle in Return of the King rather than the book where the fight starts, Bilbo gets clocked on the head, and it's over.. That might be cool. But no. Smaug gets killed and then we have this insanely long bit with Thorin on top of his CGI gold losing his mind. Why so long? Because we don't have enough story left. We hafta milk this. Once he's done losing his mind,we're gonna have this incredible battle, right? RIGHT? Nope. We're gonna have Goblins on Ice in a 12 on 12 (or is it a 13 on 13?) up on some random mountainside. The big battle? Nope. Fuck all for a battle. Just this weird ice fight. Holy mother of God this is bad.\n\nThere is a documentary where Peter says he was running on fumes while filming that. He didn't really give a shit anymore.\n\nAnd the last key point is that, unlike Lord of the Rings, there was already a successful Hobbit film. It was an animated version from the late 70s. So there's something to compare this to, and there is no comparison. The animated version tells us the story in 90 minutes instead of studio-producer-cash-grab 8 fucking hours.\n\nThe End", "Exactly, all the kids who liked the movies are adults now. I'm one of them. I still love them for what they are.\n\nWe'll see the same thing in another 10 to 20 years when the kids who enjoyed the sequels are adults.", "Okay, I'm gonna pick at this a little because I think you're adding a lot of speculation and personal statements in and mixing them with facts. I mean, your initial point seems to be that Fellowship was great because Peter Jackson was so focused on it not flopping and less worried with the other films which is just ignoring huge realities about the filming, the planning and everything else that went into it.\n\nAnd of course, when talking about the Hobbit it wasn't even Jackson's film initially, he was forced to pick up the project after Guillermo del Toro abandoned it, leaving him holding the bag.\n\n>For the second movie, they start taking liberties. They add this Aragorn love triangle that never existed. Still was very faithful to the books.\n\nReally odd statement here because, firstly, the Aragorn love triangle was in the books; Eowyn was charmed by Aragorn when she met him and wanted to stay with him, but his heart was for Arwen and he stayed true to that, it's all the same as in the books. \n\nAnd secondly, because the first movie takes just as many liberties with random parts of the narrative as the second.\n\nThe first completely changes the scene with Frodo and Galadrial (and plays it waaaay too much on the nose), it has Arwen rescue Frodo instead of Glorfindel, it changes the Rivendel council and the decision for Frodo to take the ring, it changes the entire scene with the attempted crossing of the mountain, changes who suggests they go into the Mines, and all manner of other small tweaks. I've got no problem with them removing the Tom Bombadil stuff because I don't think it would have added much value, but that's a huge change right off the bat (and loses the point later about the Barrow Blades of the Dunedain being that which wounds the Witch King).\n\nAs a note, the second movie also makes one of the few changes I think makes it superior to the book- having the Elves show up at Helm's Deep. I really like that, it's a great way to give them a major scene and role to play before departing to the West, and I think suits them a lot more than having them fight off-screen against one of Sauron's other forces near the Misty Mountains.\n\n>By the third movie, we notice a major departure: Legolas. In the books, he's present, but he and Gimli are very much supporting characters. But what do we get? An elven shield skateboard and Legolas grinds the trunk of an oliphant.\n\nAll very much within scope for LotR Elves. Elves in LotR have abilities well beyond what we'd consider reasonable, the first movie has Legolas running atop the snow the rest of the fellowship is buried in, things like that are completely normal for Elves. Elves are practically demiGods in the setting, one of the reasons Glorfindel can't come with the Fellowship is that he'd stand out too much simply by his power and renown.\n\nAnd yeah, Legolas's gets more screentime in the movies than in the books but only in the same sense that any of the battles and conflicts do- where in the books they're largely brushed over and the focus is entirely on the narrative rather than the combat, the movies show us the combat. So it's going to show Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas.\n\n>OK, now we have the Hobbit. It's a 310-page book that...drumroll...is going to be made into 3 movies. WHY? Because we're gonna milk Tolkien's writing for every dollar we can. The first movie is...drumroll...169 minutes. Close to 3 hours to tell 100 page of a book. The CGI is also kicked up along with the framerate, and we have people vomiting while watching it. How symbolic.\n\nThis point is incredibly disingenuous. \n\nYes, the movies were split into a trilogy (they were originally meant to be a duology) almost certainly for money reasons, but as I raised in my first post, it's not just the Hobbit book. They're also drawing from the Silmarilon and Unfinished Tales, it's not a 310 page book, it's also large parts of other much larger books.\n\nThe most charitable reason would be that they wanted to show the full scope of the world's story at that point and it helps set the tone closer to LotR rather than the Hobbit, but I've got no doubt the main reason was to milk the series. It's a greedy decision, but there was source material to draw from and they drew from it.\n\n>That might be cool. But no. Smaug gets killed and then we have this insanely long bit with Thorin on top of his CGI gold losing his mind. Why so long? Because we don't have enough story left. We hafta milk this. Once he's done losing his mind,we're gonna have this incredible battle, right? RIGHT? Nope. We're gonna have Goblins on Ice in a 12 on 12 (or is it a 13 on 13?) up on some random mountainside. The big battle? Nope. Fuck all for a battle. Just this weird ice fight. Holy mother of God this is bad.\n\nThat's all true to the book though, Smaug is killed pretty much offscreen and the narrative moves on with Thorin's downfall setting up the ensuing war, with none of the fighting shown because Bilbo is passed out the entire time. Do you want them to be faithful to the book or not? You're going both ways on this.\n\n>And the last key point is that, unlike Lord of the Rings, there was already a successful Hobbit film. It was an animated version from the late 70s. \n\nAgain, a really weird point. There was a LotR film from the 70's too, an animated one too, the Ralph Bakshie Lord of the Rings. Obviously in both cases the point was to make something much better and much more modern.", "> Do you want them to be faithful to the book or not? You're going both ways on this.\n\nI was speculating on how they were going to turn 50 pages of story into a 2.5 hour movie. Goblins on Ice was NOT in the books. They didn't need 8 hours of movie. You're dumbing down my arguments to suit your narrative.\n\n>Although Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings was a financial success, it received mixed reactions from critics, and hostility from disappointed viewers that it was incomplete; there was no official sequel to cover the remainder of the story.\n\n>Yes, the movies were split into a trilogy (they were originally meant to be a duology) almost certainly for money reasons\n\nThat's all I needed.\n\nBye!", "I'm not dumbing down your arguments, I'm directly referencing your points. \n\nEither way, you should have scrolled down a little more:\n\n>The Lord of the Rings was selected as the 36th greatest animated film by Time Out magazine, and ranked as the 90th greatest animated film of all time by the Online Film Critics Society.\n\n>The film was nominated for a Hugo Award for Best Dramatic Presentation. It was nominated for The Saturn Awards for Best Fantasy Film. Leonard Rosenman's score was nominated for a Golden Globe for Best Original Motion Picture Score, and Bakshi won a Golden Gryphon award for the film at the Giffoni Film Festival.\n\nIt was received a LOT better than the Hobbit movie was. If you're going to say the Animated Hobbit movie was the Gold standard for Hobbit movies, the Bakshi LotR movie was the Gold Standard for LotR movies. Jackson even directly referenced it, saying he was hoping to do better than that. Bakshi was even approached to do the live action ones.", "That was absolutely “god awful of a sentence”.", "MCU is actually good tho. I think you’re just tryna be edgy and it’s weird.", "Flying right to the top of the box office.", "Nice one", "Hey if you can enjoy what they make, and think the StarWars sequels were good I’m happy for you.", "Lol I like his other movies and love Brick, but he should never have been allowed to direct a Star Wars movie.", "Yeah, but Marvel has 70 years of stories and characters at least. Star Wars had none of that and they were making original stories they were making up as they went. They didn't even think about adapting the EU or anything to use their rich history.", "The Star Wars sequels made less as they went, with the last two under-performing, and Solo outright bombed. The merch didn't sell well, especially anything unique to the new cast. Turns out kids don't want action figures of some randoms who dress like janitors.", "I understand what you mean but the “it’s the same thing… the hero always wins” is such a pointless criticism of the MCU. When you break it down that’s the plot of pretty much any movie or book or show or whatever.", "Just curious, do you have any sort of evidence to back this up?\n\nBecause I can say without a doubt merchandising can be more profitable than ticket sales, not only in the long run, but even in the same fiscal year. https://www.ranker.com/list/movies-that-made-money-merchandising/jacob-shelton", "Ive been steering around starwars stuff for a while but this really puts into words what I was getting a hint of from the distance.", "I stopped watching the behind-the-scenes stuff after it started just being: \"I love Star Wars. I'm so happy for the opportunity to be in a Star Wars movie.\" \"Practical effects!11!!1! This special feeling that we had in the cinema in 1977!\"", "At least for Mando they showed some interesting stuff like how they did >!Luke Skywalker's face!<", ">God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent?\n\nFriedrich Nietzsche", "Here is the whole documentary: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da8s9m4zEpo", "Same. The originals were so special. It bums me out that Disney is going to shit out a new Star Wars movie or tv show every year until the heat death of the universe.", "I just hate Disney. It ruins everything it touches.", "I'm not trying to be a dick, but I had to look it up on YouTube to get a sense of what that sounds like, and I can't recall the scenes that it accompanied. It kind of reinforced my point.", "What have I missed?", "Every release of the original trilogy has been alerted since the first theater release. Adding figures in the background and lighting changes, han shot first.", "[Yes, it is a real problem.](https://hbr.org/amp/2015/10/yes-short-termism-really-is-a-problem)\n\nWe aren’t talking about what is truly a better or worse idea. Would it be better to invest thinking past next quarter? Certainly. But that isn’t what is. What we have these days is algorithms making investments half the time, much less talking about day traders and fund managers with about 1000 different eggs whose only interest is making sure their clients have a positive YTD figure on their online profile. \n\nI’ve seen this play out in the corporate world, it’s very disheartening. It’s why I will never work for a public company.", "You can hate the new movies all you want, but this weird need to prove the prequels are better in comparison is crazy. This is coming from someone who grew up with and still watches the prequel movies. I absolutely love them but my god are they terrible.", "Got any links to those?", "Yes, just recently actually.\n\nI'll rank them, least to greatest: 8, 9, 7, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 5", "Yeah, they fucked it up. It wasn't because it's expensive to plan ahead, or they didn't have resources. Or that they didn't care. Bad plan. Shit execution.", "in Episode 7 I kept thinking Finn was \"the guy who should be the focus of the trilogy.\" \n\nHe had the most interesting storyline IMO. An actual Storm Trooper who decided to rebel and joined the resistance. The idea he would be fighting his friends in combat and how that could haunt him killing his brothers, how he had such insider knowledge of the Empire, and how he struggles with his decision to be a traitor. Heck, how did he become a Storm Trooper? All interesting ideas and themes. Not to mention in episode 7 I thought Boyega pulled off funny, awkward, and charming.\n\nInstead, he runs around shoots them up in the third movie screaming \"woooo!\"", "It subverted my expectations of an overarching plan for the trilogy.", "Perhaps, I just see no meaningful difference in really any of the superheroes. Their characters really never have any depth, so that combined with a predicable plot makes for boring movies to me.", "> Hero faces challenge, hero gets defeated by challenge, hero reassembles after learning something new about themselves or relearning why they became a hero and then overcomes the challenge.\n\nHell, a breakdown that simple is essentially just modern story telling 101. Pretty much most stories, books, movies (even non-super hero ones) tv shows, etc. follow that general guideline.", "They seem to be going back to those roots though, with The Mandalorian's heavy western influence, and that new Visions show they did, where a lot of the shorts made were essentially 'jedi samurai'.", "Other than the plot structure and a few small annoyances (and yes this isn’t just nostalgia boner talking, I’ve seen it a few times), I was pretty satisfied with episode 7 as a fresh start to the new trilogy, but then episode 8 and 9 just completely squandered any real potential for the series. It’s very unfortunate.", "At least Mark Hamill (before the sequel trilogy anyway) seemed really keen on doing more star wars, and didn't hate that the role was the biggest part of his career like Harrison Ford. He's always been doing little voice cameos in some of the games and animated shows and stuff.", "Finn's character concept was actually really interesting imo. A stormtrooper indoctrinated from a young age defecting to join the rebels had a lot of potential for interesting plots and story arcs. And then they did nothing with it.", "Yeah, star wars has always had political influences. The empire was mainly inspired by the nazis (compare the uniforms of the officers to Nazi officers and the SS, also where the term 'stormtrooper' comes from) and the whole OT was a story of an underdog group of people rebelling against an authoritarian empire.\n\nThe politics in the prequels is also pretty obvious, as it was essentially the story of how said authoritarian empire came to power. Initially inspired by the rise of dictators such as Hitler, it also drew inspiration from the rising nationalism and authoritarianism in post 9/11 America.\n\nHonestly one of my main criticisms of the sequels is that it lacks this sort of political narrative happening in the background. Like it's just a rehash of the same one from the OT, but done poorly and with little explanation.", "Fourth one? No one who has actually watched star wars would say that, because it's confusing af. Do you mean the 4th released star wars, Episode 1 The Phantom Menace? Or do you mean the first movie, Episode 4 A New Hope?", "Also by the looks of it, they'd been trying to get Fox to take the risk for ages, and they only agreed to take the risk (and not a very large one, by the sound of things the budget wasn't exactly mind-blowing) after that test scene leaked and everyone started calling them morons for not making it sooner.", "The thing is, Star Wars also had those options, especially exploring the post Episode 6 part of things. However Disney essentially wiped the slate clean and said that none of it was canon, before proceeding to take concepts from that stuff for the sequel trillogy (and not exactly the best bits, like clonepatine) anyway.", "Madalorian is actually my favorite Star Wars property outside of the video games and Empire. I agree that has some of its own magic and I think a large part of that is the new technology they brought to it to be able to shoot 360 degrees and giving us more of the world outside of the core characters.", "THE DEAD SPEAK ^^in ^^fortnite", "I distinctly remember when I went to go see Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Terrible, terrible fucking movie, but anyways, right in the beginning the harry potter type title screen comes on (the giant floating text zoom in one) and some adult woman in the front starts clapping and expecting everyone else to follow suit. Like bruh really? Like A. It’s a spinoff, B. You haven’t even seen the movie yet, and C. Why do you expect the whole audience to clap for the HP title sequence, which by today’s standards isn’t that special?\n\nHere’s the thing. If I go to, let’s say I dunno, a Ninja Turtles movie, and all the kids clap when the turtles show up for the first time on screen, like at least I get it, they’re kids and they’re having a grand old time seeing their favorite characters on the big screen. It’s actually quite charming. But adults clapping at that kind of shit? Like I get excited about things, the Spiderman movie this year’s gonna be lit af, but I’m not gonna clap and scream when x character shows up in the middle of a public theater like an infant.", "Would have been a much more reasonable explanation than \"they just built them lol\". No way was Palpatine not trying to find the star forge while emperor, even if it was just to prevent it from falling into someone else's hands.", "Mandalorian is great though! Jon Favreau really succeeded in grounding the Star Wars universe in a more realistic light.", "> Brings back the same villain from the first 6 star wars movies\n> \n> \"Yay something original!\"\n\nI don't think I've seen anything but complaints about that move.", "Think about how amazing episode 8 would’ve been had they just cut the last 20 minutes out of the movie and ended on Kylo extending his hand out asking Rey to join him in the new world order free from Jedi or Sith, then the entire next movie would’ve been them trying to rebuild the galaxy. That’s ALL they had to do. It was already written in they just had to go with it. Obv it wouldn’t have fixed the dumb shit like the casino stuff or anything but it’d be better than what we got.", "It’s a review about a movie, not the fandom. He maybe mentions the fandom a few times at best in the PM review.", "Somewhere in an alternate universe, they enjoy watching Return of the Jedi where the wookies on the planet rise up and help the rebels attack the stormtroopers, and there is world peace.", "He had good reception when he did his Plinkett reviews of the Star Trek movies. The trek fans actually loved him ripping their movies to shreds and found them entertaining, so then he went on to do the Star Wars ones.", "The sequels almost have the exact opposite problem of the prequels. The sequels are very competently made movies, but they just feel so shallow and empty because they didn't really do any world building or follow some kind of plan. Meanwhile the prequels, while poorly made movies, told an overarching story that was planned from the beginning, and had worldbuilding pouring out of every orifice.", "Also all the shit they were able to do with the volume. The Mandalorian was one of the first shows to actually make extensive use out of that kind of tech, and it was actually really interesting to see what it was capable of, like their ability to change the background in real time for example.", "Small list of things they liked:\n\n- The Mandalorian\n- Rich Evans liked Solo: A Star Wars Story just because it was something different\n- Snyder cut of Justice League\n- Joker\n- The Boys\n- Us\n\nAnd probably a lot more I’m forgetting. So no they don’t just hate everything. Usually their Re:View show is the most serious and talks about the things they have a lot of passion for", "You really should. Season 1 is easily the weakest part of the show, so if you can get through it, keep in mind that it only really gets better from there.", "It also retroactively shits all over the victory won by the characters of the OT. Like oh you think you just won a major victory and destroyed the empire? Lol no they're back now and you suck, k bye.", "The dialogue is poor, but the world building and the action is way more interesting. But it's no surprise that the people who grew up with the prequels and were used to it finally made reddit accounts to talk about it.", "What did you say about the clankas?", "Rogue 1 was pretty good. Otherwise yeah probably not.", "It's also often cited as one of the very few examples of a movie sequel being better than the original. Off the top of my head, I can only really think of Empire, and Terminator 2.", "The last 4 episodes, if it was a movie, would honestly be one of the best star wars movies.", "Eh, not just the vader scene. The space battle in act 3 is arguably one of the best space battles in a star wars movie.", "This sounds like bullshit.", ">\tIt’s like disney pulls out something we are nostalgic for and rapes it and leaves you to watch it suffer.\n\nTo be fair, George Lucas was already doing this over 20 years ago.", "Disney has this mind frame anymore that if you show the humanity in something they make then it breaks the immersion of it. They follow the same idea with their theme parks; hide any form of reality from the guests or it will ruin their experience. This mindset bled over into their film productions as well where they won’t ever show you the reality of a film set. No countless hours of having to hold to reset a scene, multiple takes, props or scenery breaking, etc. because to Disney, that will ruin the movie for audiences. Want to see Alec Guinness sick of being in the hot Sun? Too bad! Here is high budget film reel of him smiling while talking to George Lucas about a scene in slow motion layered with a voice over of him describing how special this movie will be to the audience! Want to see Harrison Ford roll his eyes because Lucas didn’t like that 6th take of him running down a hallway? Psh—that never happened! He actually high fives him as seen in this heavily doctored black and white photo of all the crew members laughing and immediately cuts to Ford saying whatever Disney paid him enough to say. Because Disney films never have problems! \n\nShow me the awkward photo of a guy holding a boom-mic in nothing but a pair of daisy Duke shorts under Mark Hammil and Alec Guinness, because the desert is hot. Show me the T-Rex animatronic shaking violently and having to be slapped with towels because the animatronic was soaking in rain water. Show me the picture dozens of the extras in their ape makeup eating at a studio cafeteria and wearing sunglasses and ball caps when those things don’t exist in their movies. Because that’s how movies work! \n\nShowing the flaws and reality of a film production doesn’t ruin the film, it makes it more magical than anything. By showing the countless hours and work put into something that would only get a few minutes of screen time (at most) and showing the real chaos of a film production, it gives me even more appreciation for the end results. More so than the “everything went great and everyone was happy the entire time” mentality that Disney puts in all their films anymore.", "Right with you there. I enjoyed Episode 7 for the most part. It gave the trilogy promise. I actually liked that they kept Luke a mystery until the end - it gave a lot of curiosity and anticipation for the next movie. But then, well....", "Baby yoda obv", "I haven’t read the books. I really enjoyed it. It wasn’t without problems, but overall it was a good time.", "Jared Harris was pretty great as well (as always), but his part was obviously much smaller.", "I still contend that the 2009 Star Trek reboot was a pretty good time. However, Into Darkness was hot trash.", "Yeah. What a disaster.\n\nHan... Failed father and husband \n\nLuke... Recluse and maybe attempted child murderer\n\nLeia... Failed alliance leader. Squandered her victory.\n\nI'd be fine if they spent a movie introducing the new order and explaining where it came from. But naw, let's just be lazy and poof it's here.", "Yeah it’s really easy to watch a few RLM clips like the original one and get a bad vibe from them (sometimes their fans are toxic too). They’re very passionate about what they do. Unlike so many other channels, they truly understand film and can break things down on a technical level unlike other channels, and they do lots of research before their videos too, rarely do they get anything wrong, but they always give credit where credit is due. Hell, one of them even said they liked Solo just because it was something different, and that movie was both a critical flop and a financial flop. Many people call them the best film reviewers on Youtube and for good reason. They’re very fair in their criticisms.", "And that makes Boyega a joke? I don't get it.", "The biggest issue is that they are character driven stories but both the prequels and the sequels had a significant lack of character or character development.", "So overarated now since Disney bought it.", "I feel like my chain is being janked.", "The fourth one that come out. I mean if I say I stopped caring after watching the fourth one how could you for a second think I meant the first one? I am not confusing af. You are easy to confuse af.", "I feel like you're being too hard on the prequels. Sure, the later 2/3 of the trilogy could have used a lot more Jar Jar, but Anakin more than made up for that - what a character arc! Child Anakin is the best portrayal of innocence in cinema history, maybe second only to a young Al Pacino in Godfather I. And the raw fury of angsty teen Anakin hasn't been seen since Raging Bull. Truly two masterful performances.\n\n\"Now this is pod racing!\"", "I think his point was that people are getting hyped on hype rather than the art itself. People love Star Wars so much, in name alone, that they continue to support bad movies and products, which means that companies have no incentive to push to make something better. Nostalgia sells mediocrity. \n\nThere was a time when Star Wars didn't exist. And when it was created, it was this amazing thing for a lot of people. Imagine that, right now, there are amazing things not yet created that would capture that same magic. And they aren't getting made because the budget is going to the low effort content we see today.\n\nI think that explains their overall disgust of the matter.", "Iunno if you've already gotten replies like this, always hard to tell on Reddit for me, but I have a weird take!\n\nThe Last Jedi, while a true comedy of errors in all the worst ways, has some really, genuinely good ideas in it. If you pay attention to some specific stuff, it seems like the themes are trying to carry forward what the prequels started? ie, the Jedi Order was a failure, the Council was embarrassingly bad at their job, and their bureaucratic nature led to even more failures.\n\nIn TLJ it legit seems like Luke realized this, right? That the whole \"Light side / Dark side\" thing was a farce and he fought to return to the status quo that led to the empire in the first place (which clearly happened again with the New Order, soooo)\n\nI really, really wish TLJ focused more on this. Hell, there's the Gray Jedi ffs.\n\nI find it kind of funny that, out of all the Sequels, it's TLJ that i point to for having the most interesting ideas while it's easily the most technically bad movie of the bunch.", "TLJ had some great ideas, Luke's part especially, the problem is it's executed like shit. If you want Luke to be disillusioned and detached, great, but then don't make all his scenes full of stupid jokes or comic scenes (like him throwing away the lightsaber). Also I personally hated the fact of him coming back as a projection at the end and dying \"just 'case\". Either make him come back for real and have a real sacrifice (and a real moment of mourning between him and Leia) or let him stay alive. \n\nI also liked the fact that TLJ states clearly that Kylo Ren was irredeemable, he was set up to be the villain for the trilogy and I was fine with that. Especially because after he kills Han Solo (and almost kills Leia) for me as a fan and as a viewer this was already established, you don't get to kill Han Solo, your own father, and then whops, I changed my mind, I'm a good guy now. You can't always hit the \"redemption\" button and make people switch between good and bad as you please. Unfortunately TRoS took care of shitting on that idea too, and I think the reason is what I mentioned in the post above, Abrams had already a rough plan in mind, RJ ravaged it and Abrams just went along with what he wanted to do anyway. They basically ignored each other's work.", "Yeah. I will say though that Luke's death WAS actually set up earlier in the film though! It seems like a lot of people missed it, but IIRC when Kylo sees Rey in their weird-ass force-vision meetup perpetrated by Snoke, Kylo asks her something along the lines of \"Are you doing this? ..... No, the strain would kill you.\" So i actually give it props for that, though it seems like it wasn't done well enough since everyone missed it lol.\n\nAnd yeah, really feel like they should have picked one director (anyone but JJ please) and stuck with them and had the actual overarching plot written out beforehand lol." ]	702	videos	RLM: Star Wars isn't special anymore
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mv11nkCb4Og	/r/videos/comments/r7xc5i/the_flood/	[ "I feel like he wasn't moving fast enough", "He ded", "Yeah I don’t think he made it.", "I thought the roof was going to cave in or something. Did not expect that!", "At first I was like…. it’s just some puddles. What is this nonsense.", "\\[music\\]", "downvote because this is a blatant crop of the real video. Farming karma, I think not.", "Based on the colour it looks like the water is full of iron", "In flipflops, shuffling along at a brisk 2mph", "Nope, it had just gone through an art supply store that had received an over order of terracotta color paint.", "It's okay, YT took away dislikes and is blocking negative comments so now no one can find the original source for videos anymore.", "At lease he closed the gate", "Oh wow, did you see the Dog at the end :-(", "The Original is here: \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-V0HyETQLA", "And a better one, with details.\n\n \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV\\_esh2Q4Iw&ab\\_channel=OCPNEWS", "for real? or is this just a heavily unnecessary joke?", "for real", "No, I don't see it.", ">This video isn't available anymore", "It's real. The owner had misread how the supply company lists it's products and thought he ordered one hundred 40ml bottles of paint. \n\nTurns out he actually ordered forty 100 litre containers.", "Whats the joke though?", "No joke here.", "when your needs outweigh the capabilities of the local plumber....\n\nthis guy saw that coming...", "Fack.", "> Goiânia – The heavy rains that happened in Anapolis, about 55 km from the capital of Goiás, last week, caused several damages. They nearly caused fatal incidents. Images from a security camera recorded the moment when a large wave of mud invaded the house of a resident of Residencial Morumbi.\n\n>The affected house belongs to the sales promoter, Rômulo do Carmo, 37, who managed to escape the flood for a fraction of a second. He hid in a doghouse so he wouldn't be dragged away. The images are scary. Despite the huge scare, no one was hurt.", "The Shining IRL" ]	26	videos	The flood
https://youtu.be/06yj04TgUfQ	/r/videos/comments/r7y5wk/ringo_makes_a_vital_contribution/	[ "Guy really likes to toot his own horn", "The Gang Gets Back", "Ringo real contribution. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RhokFOP8IH0", "Ringo always had good timing. He timed it with someone saying \"surprise\"", "Only Paul and John were like that. George always encouraged Ringo to write more.", "Most people don't know it, but this fart was the birth of punk rock.", "I’ve realized that bearded Paul McCaurtney was super hot", "Everyone with an interest in either the Beatles or songwriting needs to sit down for all 8 hours of 'Get Back.' The raw footage is enthralling in itself, but the Peter Jackson touch makes it an absolute masterpiece.", "get back makes ringo seem like such a chill, wholesome dude.\n\nAlways there every morning to put the work in, always goofing around, knows what he has to do and does it.", "It was either George or Ringo who basically told him as much early on in the first episode.", "I completely missed this when I watched this last week, that's hilarious. \n\nSo many funny little moments in the documentary.", "There's a scene in the documentary where George is helping Ringo on the piano figure out the chord structure of what would become Octopus's Garden, and it's just so sweet and wholesome.", "He was such a positive dude in the documentary, I don't think anyone ever had any beef with him. Just vibing the whole time.\n\nI liked the part after George left for a little bit, and the subtitles said something like:\n\n\"The next morning, only one member of the band shows up at Twickenham.\"\n\nin strolls Ringo with a goofy smile", "They should have formed their own duo after and called it the Beas.", "Yeah John and Paul were getting together to go to George's and Ringo is like \"well I was gonna go anyways... But I guess we should call now and see if he's there...\"\n\nDidn't matter if they were gonna go, seems like Ringo wanted to just go and chill with his friend", "Also when Paul says that he thinks he might go see George later and Ringo goes, “sure. I was already going to go see him”. Good egg that one", "“Got to be a joker he just do what he please”", "I thought it was drum n bass", "Ringo gets a worse rap as a drummer than deserved. \nHe really does [some cool stuff](https://www.tiktok.com/@grahamethedrummer/video/7024195168324668678) in Beatles songs.", "> Octopus's Garden\n\nI always loved that song. I had an album as a kid that was basically \"classic songs for kids\" but performed by actual bands, not fucking dumb shit kids like Kids Bop or by some joke kid's band that sucked. It was just re-recorded songs like Octopus's Garden, La Bamba, and Puff The Magic Dragon.", "It's been a total earworm for me ever since I got to that part of the doc, lol.", "It’s so crazy that Peter Jackson went from horror/comedy with a lawn mower to: Lord of the Rings, a WWI documentary, and now the friggen Beatles.", "He might be not the most technical drummer, but goddamn his drummer parts are perfect and super catchy. The beginning of Something and She Loves you are something else.", "People always rag on him for not having any talent. His talent is the ability to work with people with massive egos. That's worth a lot.", "Agreed. The dynamic is fascinating. It looks a lot to me as if McCartney is doing most the arrangements while the others follow along. I suspect that by 1969 he was the only one seriously interested in continuing the band.", "I always appreciated this guy explaining why Ringo is actually a good drummer.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oQsKRyihEA", "Exactly. If need a human metronome get Neil Pert. Ringo was so great at knowing less is more.", "\"while the others follow along\" is a very polite way of saying \"struggle for executive function because they're higher than giraffe pussy\"\n\nI dont know enough about Beatles history to know if they were losing interest. To me it looked like a group of guys that had washed out after too many drugs, held together by the only member who treated the act of creating music like you would any other full-time job that requires a lot of hard work and dedication.\n\nBut that could be entirely projection because I hate people who think drugs enhance creativity, and the Beatles are one of the first examples used to back that idea up.", "It is interesting how they start off with a few riffs and undeveloped lyrics to having such great songs at the end. I bet that if we had film of other great bands in the recording studio, we would see a similar dynamic. It is like watching those films titled \"How <some common item> is made.\"", "That’s an interesting point of view.I never considered the drug angle. \n\nI was more under the impression that Ringo and George were never asked to do much composition wise and from the looks of it Yoko was pretty clearly distracting John.", "Ringo's \"bad rap\" as a drummer comes mostly from people who have no idea what they're talking about and most likely have never drummed in their lives. He is an excellent drummer and any decent musician will say the same", "[“Hey, Paul, you asshole: DUB THIS!”](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FJwkEO43B3E)", "I didnt know Ringo was a rapper.", "Don't slight Neil Peart (a Prog drummer, you clod) just to give Ringo praise. \n\nNeil is way more than a human metronome.", "My favorite part is when George makes everyone some special drink and they clearly get really tanked and start playing poorly then wrap it up early cuz they are \"tired.\"", "I mean he has a lot less stress. John, Paul, and George were trying to write tracks for the album. Ringo was just there to play drums.... And fart.", "With a Little Help from My Friends is a huge fucking Beatles track by Ringo.", "“The fat controller said, I farted.”", "This documentary has got me obsessed with trying to find more of John Lennon speaking. He always name dropped random people, or recited lyrics from obscure songs, or made some kind of weird joke that only he got. The kind of dude you need closed captioning for." ]	41	videos	Ringo makes a vital contribution
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7z8ph/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r7z8ph/deleted_by_user/	[ "This is it. It's arrived. This is the singularity.", "No. Actually they can not. See arstechnica.com.", "How far away are we from paperclip annihilation?", "you got a link, I searched for xenobots and couldn't find it\n\n-e- nvm https://arstechnica.com/science/2021/11/mobile-clusters-of-cells-can-help-assemble-a-mini-version-of-themselves/", "NOTE: I did not watch the video, but I read an article last week about these\n\nIf these are the ‘xenobots’ I read about, they’re derived from a frog’s stem cells. They’re completely organic. So it’s worth keeping that in mind before you imagine metal and motors reproducing", "Thx. I knew its a veeery overreaching newsstory to say the least but did not have the time to look it up." ]	6	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43wp_EUk2ho	/r/videos/comments/r7zjjm/youtube_is_deleting_comments_from_creators_who/	[ "I even saw the replies on a tweet where they ask a question \"what is your favourite dog\" and they hide the replies that say \"fuck the dog bring back dislikes\"", "I believe it.\nI Google searched for a specific youtube video and it was gone. \nBig tech wants stuff gone that doesn't fit their narrative", "This isn't paranoia at this point. It's protecting big companies, media, and tech. It's not youtube anymore. It's themtube.", "They knew that from the very start when they say \"creators can still see dislikes\"", "Remember when Agent Smith seals Mr. Andersons mouth shut?", "Have you read that? YouTube is a company lol not the government.", "It's more than this. I tried to leave comments on the recent Games Master episode released on the E4 YouTube channel, and every single one was deleted within seconds. I was praising the reboot - the comments weren't negative or controversial in any way - but they were deleted regardless, seemingly by an automated process.\n\nThere's something fishy going on.\n\n\\[Edit\\] For all those saying that it's some form of shadow ban; I'm able to comment on other videos with no problems - the GamesMaster video was the first one I noticed the problem with. Other comments were being posted and not deleted, and my deleted comments were still counted towards the total comment count for the video.\n\nIt's clear there's something dodgy going on, some form of censorship where you're not even notified of an issue or what you did to warrant being flagged. No oversight, no accountability, just a giant corporation abusing its power and experimenting with new systems in an effort to control the public discourse, kowtowing to advertisers and political interests. My main concern is how a system like this could be abused to control the national discourse around elections; you can't downvote, you can't comment - which just makes the gaslighters job a whole lot easier.", "It's not just comments. I left a negative review for YouTube, on the Play Store, in regards to the dislike removal. My review was taken down within 2 minutes.", "Could there be a correlation with him saying \"handjob\" on an official YouTube video?", "There are a few dislikes still available in the Google PLay store for the youtube app. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.google.android.youtube&hl=en_US&gl=US", "Welcome to the wonderful world of [shadow banning](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_banning). Although it seems to be a shitty implementation if you can see your own comments vanish.", "Lmao ok. I'm just gonna assume y'all have not read 1984. Might feel smart to mention it but you sound dumb. We are not even close to that.", "I use to love getting help on youtube on how to fix things and do things but now I don't trust it since I can't tell if it's been downvoted to hell and is actually giving me wrong advice. I feel like this is a push in the wrong direction to fight disinformation.", "Take your youtube soma and get back to work, the \"A\"s are talking.", "\"Don't be evil.\"", "Welcome to China.", "Wow. I remember writing about YouTube literally curating my comments around 2 years ago. My comments were deleted and sometimes some words were replaced. There was no way to support my claims and youtube customer service is non existent for me. After writing about it I was called a lunatic and I believed that maybe I am having some paranoia and now I see this...\n\nThey are literally taking our voice away.\n\nWhile trying to remove some of the social interactions on youtube I also blocked the whole comment section (I just don't see it) because I felt that it is pointless if what I write can be edited in any way.", "Well they have to keep some negative ones to make it look less suspicious.", "Reddit is filled with idiots.", "More like... welcome to any corporation wet dream.\nAt this point USA is starting to fall behind China and Russia.", "So to them 1984 is like some utopian society that they wish to become our reality?", "It’s not fishy at all. It’s just the end of YouTube as an open forum. It’s now a finely curated site designed to push the content of the top payer. It’s far past the point to move on from YouTube into a more open and less curated service. If such a thing doesn’t exist then it’s just time to go back outside. ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯", "There's no ~~war in Ba...~~~ criticism for this universally approved change for the better by our Glorious Leader of the Free Internet. Stop spreading the evil commie propaganda. -100 social credits to you.", "\"...be heinous\"", "Because they are going to make more $$$. Plain and simple.\n\nDoing this will increase profits substantially, garner better relationships with their biggest clients, and YOU will still watch and participate. \n\nYouTube has only bent to the will of the people to the extent it will benefit them. But YouTube is almost too big to fail at this point. Too many people rely on them for their income/entertainment/information. Too many people have their entire routines dependent upon it. \n\nThey've done the experiments, ran the numbers, and decided that this will only be a net benefit for them.", "It always has been", "Why do you guys care about Youtube so much?", "Just stop using YouTube, simple.", "Actually the opposite", "China is when American company operates under American law", "Didn’t know Sam Elliot had a YouTube channel.", ">it's just time to go back outside.\n\nNEVER!!", "Welp, finally time to cut Youtube from my watchlist.", "I was just reading it wrong, I went back and reread what he wrote and it made more sense.\n\nThat's what I get for redditing in a rush.", "By definition, if you cannot see your own comment, it is not a shadow ban.", "Lol I can't even give it a negative review on the Google play store. Just says there's a server error.", ">It’s not fishy at all. \n\nDid you even read what he said? He said he left a positive comment and it was still deleted.", "You live a sad life if you think youtube is anything more than entertainment or a learning tool.", "I did. Fishy would imply there was doubt to their intent. I think their intent is perfectly clear.", "We could boycott any Advertisers if they are the ones doing this as well as stop using YouTube. I dunno we could all spam we want dislikes back \n\nIs there anything we can do or are we just have to accept it as is.", "Absolute morons.", ">My comments were deleted and sometimes some words were replaced. \n\n>I was called a lunatic and I believed that maybe I am having some paranoia \n\n\nHave you thought about buying a carbon monoxide detector? Jus saying", "I kid you not my last 2-3 negative restaurant reviews have gone poof. Their food was truly terrible and yet my review was just... Gone", "Google gets billions in tax money grants from various governments around the world. It's not private.", "And start using YouTube Vanced app on Android! No ads, and it even typically skips in-video promos!", "It's about the dislike count.", "Uh, should someone tell him?", "Easier said than done. I replaced TV with YouTube and I bet most people under 35 did that as well. All the creators are on YouTube. There's no alternative.", "So pointing out how stupid it is to compare youtube with something like gas and water makes me hypocritical? Okay man.", "This is dreadful. I just tried it with a 1* carefully worded review and gone in less than a minute.\n\nEveryone: review bomb the YouTube app with 1* review NO COMMENT. Don't mention the dislikes counter.", "So, what you're saying is we need to have EVERYONE comment on the YouTube dislike video with handjob so that they have to shadow ban everyone meaning no one can comment on anything and then YouTube reverts back to not being shit?", "Next they will probably do away with the comment section entirely because of companies complaining about negative comments.", "I don't even have a gas stove but I do have CO2 detectors and air filter. :> Thank you for your concern. \n\n\nEDIT for clarification that I indeed do have detectors..", "dude needs to lay off the cigs", "You can see your own comment for a minute as demonstrated by the video, which is an indication that they do this so you think your comment was posted, which does resembles a \"shadow ban\". A regular ban would tell you immediately that you're banned, or more commonly, they just terminate your account or take away your ability to participate actively entirely.", "Usually, my comments on youtube get replies and likes, but lately, I haven't got any replies to my recent comments. But it was even b4 youtube removed the dislike button", "Might be saving your life, bro\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/34l7vo/ma_postit_notes_left_in_apartment/", "youtube/google/alphabet isn't interested in fighting disinformation, unless it aligns with their plans to make more $$$", "This is very transparently the result of him using the word \"handjob\". Everyone that uses youtube a lot knows that if you write sexually explicit comments on youtube your account gets shadowbanned.", "2* it.. 1 is probably auto moderated", "Fishy implies doubt or suspicion. Suspicion that something fucky is going on. When positive comments are being deleted as well, something fucky is going on. Like they tried tweaking the algorithm and it got fucked up.", "This seems like less to do with criticizing the dislike count, and more that their spam detection is broken.", "YOutube is actively trying to blur the line between truth and misinformation, value and garbage. Shame on the people running the company, especially the CEO.", "Good. Apart from Facebook, YouTube is the worst thing to have happened to the internet. Let them destroy each other.", "Stop it Google", "My way to deal with this dislike hiding is to not like or dislike any video from now on.", "While I'm no fan of removing the dislike count since it breaks YouTube as a source of instructional content... guy needs to get over it and realise that as a private platform YouTube can and will delete your comments for any reason and are perfectly entitled to.\n\nSame applies everywhere, you do not have any right to be heard when using Google's product. I know that sounds dickish but we've entered an era where people seem to think that freedom of speech applies online universally when it doesn't, they can and will delete your stuff.", "And they're saying it isn't suspicious, it's to be expected.", "Back in the day when YT started it was a fun alternative to mainstream media. Now it's simply become mainstream media and the media doesn't like it when people can give direct feedback. Next up for removal: comments. \n\nIt's 100% going to happen. Don't kid yourself. Maybe they'll first intensify the way they shadowban comments. Giving channels more ways to moderate. It will be introduced as a way to combat toxicity. That's how it'll be marketed. Down the line they will entirely shut comments down because ''its difficult to moderate properly''. Or only members of channels will be able to comment. Pay to comment!", "Because it is the biggest streaming site on the planet and as a result has a concrete influence on culture around the globe?", "What about Dunkey’s new video? Will that be taken down?", "its simple, give creators the option to keep or remove dislikes per video. so at least people will question why this video hid the dislikes and they can do further research if needed while allowing other smaller channels getting spammed to hide them", "I don't fucking care. fuck off", "That's been gone so long they forgot which things are evil and which aren't.", "Nah. I don't even have a gas stove and I do have CO2 detectors and air filter. :> Thank you for your concern.\n\nSituations I described are real. I used to discuss stuff with people on yt as I do on any other public forum but I stopped. Sometimes someone was responding to my old comment and I noticed that some of my comments are clearly edited and some of my answers are missing. After that I went to [myactivity.google.com](https://myactivity.google.com) to search for some discussions I had in last few months, and there I also found some discussions in which my comments were deleted. It was almost two years ago, since then I nuked my account and removed all comments to see if there are any changes being made on the new ones. And indeed some of my comments were just disappearing.\n\nI have nothing against YouTube enforcing their TOS but editing words (to synonyms - sometimes words I don't even know - english is not my primary language) or deleting comments in a discussion is clearly abuse of that power.\n\nMost people are not really active commenters and don't engage with the community on YouTube because now we have better platforms to do that but in the older days youtube comment section had something more to offer than trolls, bots and comments placed in a random order that could appeal to specific viewer. This is exactly why I nuked my account and blocked the whole comment section. It is worthless.\n\nI know that what I am saying sounds delusional but it is exactly what is happening and I am far from being any conspiracy theorist.\n\nEDIT: I know the post you linked but there is really no reason to be concerned about me slowly asphyxiating.", "Just curious which platform? Google?", "Is it time to actually do the great migration yet?", "Users already had that option. \n\nWe could opt to enable or disable like and dislike counts at a per video level, or set a channel default to make it easier.\n\nThis change is purely a big \"Fuck you!\" from YouTube to the community.", "And since that is a result of what they described, the person you're replying to isn't off-topic.", "Dumbest decision in the history of the internet. YouTube is a resource people use daily whether for entertainment or for education. The dislike button is a simple way for people to rate the quality of the video. Take it away and you now leave room for clickbait, scam videos or just low quality content that wastes people's time.\n\nOf course, that's what YouTube wants. More views, less quality, less criticism.", "Again I ask...why are people so concerned over the dislikes being hidden?", "Do it with an account you don’t care about. They’ve permabanned users for less.", "I wish there was something like this for Apple tv. That's where I watch most of my youtube.", "Comments are still on Dunkey’s vid but I think its because corporations don’t understand sarcasm.", "Nebula! (if that's your sort of thing.)", "Rewind 2018 really did a number on them haha", "Damn I actually signed in to say that that might be a possibility for real and to check. \n\nEditing words? Jesus christ, you have to document that. Get back to commenting and record it - if you can prove that, shit will be at the top of reddit. That's exactly the shit people need to see", "Lol, right? He's just glossing over that like it's unrelated. That word specifically is going to trigger a spam / content filter. It's like saying \"The store won't let me shop there anymore because I tweeted about them being bad and was caught spray painting a penis on their window. Guess they don't like people sharing their thoughts on twitter.\"", "They went freaking rogue, we need alternative service asap. And I get that at least before, that would've been close to impossible. But if they keep pulling stunts like this, its very likely we'll see another video service near future.", "And now we can't even trust that the comments will be an accurate reflection of the content (if the creator even allows comments in the first place)", "The problem with removing downvotes is that they were extremely helpful - especially when looking up things like tutorials. \n\nIf a tutorial had mostly downvotes, I knew not to waste my time. If it had mostly upvotes, but a good portion of downvotes, I knew to try it, but that it might not solve the problem in every instance. \n\nWithout downvotes, I'm flying blind. Say for instance, I watch a tutorial for repairing electronics, I NEED to know what percentage of people had success following these steps before I take my Roomba apart.", ">it’s just time to go back outside\n\nTHE SUN! IT BURNS!!!!", "Like anybody is checking the score of YouTube before they install it", "YTs algorithm is a little bitch", "Tell me, Mr. Anderson. What good is a ~~phone call~~ video, if you’re unable… to ~~speak~~ rate it", "But it isn't to be expected. If you seriously think it's expected to delete POSITIVE comments along with the negative ones, then i don't know what to say. What's happening with the positive comments being deleted clearly is an accident which means the whole comment algorithm is fucked up right now.", "First they came for the furries, but i did not speak up because i wasn't a furry...", "Yet, here you are...", "The people over at Google are freaking insane, this is like if Amazon removed every product review that isn't 5 Stars from their website.", "If we were talking about negative comments being deleted sure. But it's a positive comment that was deleted which no company in the world would try to delete positive comments.\n\nThat clearly means there's something went wrong that Youtube will be trying to fix soon.", "Wtf… janny’s used the sanitizer.", "There’s no digital equivalent of a town square, all we have is these platforms. Do you think that private control over all online communications is acceptable, or perhaps legislation should be passed that enforces some semblance of neutrality?", "Themtube.", "That's heavy if not exclusively, geared towards educational videos.", "Not saying it doesn‘t happen but the title of this post is a wild claim that this single video does not and cannot prove. For all we know this channel deletes new comments manually or filters keywords in comments or this guy specifically got blocked from commenting. This video is an anecdote, not evidence.", "It is impossible to prove that. The comments are edited, there is no \"Edited\" mark next to the comment and that's it. There is no comment edit history available to users. Same goes for the removed comments. Because removed comment is well.. removed. You cannot prove in any way that your comment was removed by someone else. It just disappears. This is why I said that YT customer service is non existent. They asked me to provide screenshots of before/after editing and I don't have a habit of taking a screenshot of every action I do on the internet. To actually prove that any removal or editing of my comments is happening I would need to record 24/7 an actual view of a comment that is refreshed over and over to catch the moment it happened without my knowledge.\n\nI bet that many people had comments edited or removed without their knowledge but just didn't notice. How often does anyone go back to discussions they had on YouTube months or years ago?", "> I think their intent is perfectly clear.\n\nYou just think it is clear but it is still speculation. We have no inside info from Youtube about this.", "Why wouldn't it delete the comment that literally says handjob then?", "Yeah, its a useful tool. And I see tons of youtube videos about the removal of dislikes. Just blows my mind that people care about this stuff. They could have just built the site with no dislikes to begin with and no one would care. But since they REMOVED something...omg its such a big deal guys!\n\nThe reality is the world would probably be better off without youtube comments at all. The site doesn't need likes or dislikes, view count is all you need to measure popularity. Many people like me never bother to hit \"like\" on a video, we forget the option exists. I don't even know how to do it on my TV.", "Why does advertising have to ruin everything...\n\nCould they just try not sucking so much ass", "Wouldn't want anyone to feel hurt or sad that people think their content was garbage right?", "Shadow banned", "How the fuck can you claim that everyone knows this? What a load of bullshit. The purpose of shadowbanning is the act of banning someone without their knowledge or any way for them to realize it's happened.\n\nEdit: I say any way here, but I mean any way for them to realize it without specifically testing for.", "The change came suspicously close to the release of some AAA horrible games which made me think it was just about helping companies hide negative feedback. \n\n\nCause $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$\n\nJust my opinion though.", "And protecting politicians. Don't forget them.", "what a corrupt platform.", "> This change is purely a big \"Fuck you!\" from YouTube to the community.\n\nAs is tradition", "I left a negative review on Google for a dealership that did shitty repairs on my car. It was factual and didn't break any rules. Gone in 24 hours.\n\nEdit: the dealership pays for Google advertising. Google is playing the same game that Yelp is.\n\nEdit 2: to the people saying \"you can't tell Google to remove a review\" Don't be daft. The business just hits \"flag as inappropriate\". Google knows who advertises and who doesn't. There will be no official Google guidelines saying \"remove it if they advertise\", but these companies know how to get things done in a manner that avoids legal issues. See: yelp", "Oh, the chinese approach....", "take them both. if the ups and downs aren't both recorded and visible, then it's total manipulation by youtube.", "Google Reviews is so useless for restaurants and repair companies, they all have 5 stars no matter how good or shitty they actually are.", "Honestly? Sounds like a database/server cluster issue or something technical rather than something nefarious.", "Not a fan of forcing private companies to host whatever users want, no.\n\nMaybe there's a solution to this but I'm not sure it's in telling Google they're not allowed to moderate their platform as they see fit.", "I am little skeptical. This video isn't actual proof that it was deleted by YouTube or automatically. They could have deleted it on a different computer while they were recording on that one. I'm not saying it isn't what is happening, I'm just saying this shouldn't be considered absolute proof.", "I mean, fair enough. \n\nBut if that really was the reason wouldn't he simply get an e-mail stating \"You have been muted / restricted from commeting because of your recent comment behaviour\"\n\nRather than letting him comment and then deleting his comments silently?\n\nOne thing though, this could be a faked video. Dude comments on a friend's video instructs him to delete his comment after he sees it, bam, some free drama & exposure for your channel. This'd be more believable if it was on a very big channel's video.", "So, why the hell are we still using it? Why doesn't somebody else just start their own game? It'd be rough going at first but nothing is stopping somebody from creating a competitor.", "I saved so much money fixing household stuff because of watching youtube tutorials, but now I don't know if I'll be able to find credible sources.", "Doesn't matter how good the competitor's platform is, they can't beat youtube's 16 years worth of content", "Please stop being naive.\n\nThe dislike removal is nothing more than something to appease their corporate overlords because they want their money.\n\nNegativity is bad for business, so rather than fix their problems they would just prefer that nobody be allowed to say anything negative.\n\nAbsolutely fucking disgusting to me", "Fuck Google the cunts. Total wank fest", "This is just plainly the case.\n\nReally wish people would stop being so fucking naive about this shit. It's so obvious what YouTube is doing, and everyone acting dumb just makes me want to fucking slap people.", "That comment didn't get removed. So probably not", "It's much cheaper to just control what people see by controlling what people are allowed to say.", "We should just spam the Youtube review section with this quote.", "They don't make these changes for games, they make them for politics.\n\nSocial media is the largest pusher of disinformation and misinformation and hiding that people aren't buying their BS is their way of perpetuating that bad information.\n\nSadly even youtubes public statement is propaganda when they said they were concerned about the mental health of the content creators that would see that information. Content creators still have access to this on their internal pages, so it's only hiding it from the public.\n\nWhy would they hide that from the public?", "I can't speak to why youtube works the way it does, but if you look at porn link spammers, the comment that got them shadowbanned is always the last one still visible.", "Yep, a couple of YouTubers I watch would remove likes and dislikes on videos were they discussed controversial topics. It would help keep the comments open to discussion so people could not just dislike and leave for topics in the video, and if they wanted to have their opinion known they would have to comment.", "Questioning the legitimacy of this video.\n\nOnly showing one single instance of a comment being deleted, on a very small channel is not a very good example.\n\nCould be a friend's channel which he instructed to delete his comment to generate some fake drama\n\nIf it's truly an automated system removing his comments would it really take so long for his comment to be deleted?\n\nGonna need some more solid evidence.", "No that's not going to solve the problem. We need legislation that prevents companies from manipulating what others are allowed to say.\n\nThis is tantamount to blocking free speech.", "Because money.\n\nNo more arguments have to be given. Some people would sacrifice their own child if it'd win them another penny.", "i noticed some videos before didnt show dislikes but it wasnt very many and i still saw a large portion with large amounts of dislikes and channels that get spammed dislikes for no reason and they never hid them i wonder why", "As a side note, everyone should go watch this guy's videos. He's an incredible animator.", "yess!! this is what i was coming here to say. i used to skip all the videos with the wrong advice on fixing certain things by simply looking at the like/dislike ratio. i had this happen to me just earlier clicking on a video with misinformation", "YouTube is taking from the playbook of the CCP. Shame on them all.", "What's the conversion rate from $$$ to dollars?", "wtf are u talking about youtube is nothing like it was back in 2008-2012", "Who gives a shit about dislike button? I swear people outrage for no reason. Youtube is it's own entity and can make changes to its platform even if it doesn't meet your requirements.", "they'll age restrict this once they find it", "Similar to why I ended my Amazon prime. I started writing reviews, and somehow any negative review is a violation of TOS or should be written about the seller and not the product or vise versa. They review every single review before it's posted but it's too much to review sellers selling obvious knockoffs.", "Exactly. So many people complaining like YouTube is meant to adhere to their every desires. Who gives a shit about a button. Focus on something else that will better your life", "This is the unfortunate truth. Google slow played their hand. They waited for YouTube to become a core part of our lives before introducing advertisement at all, and then waited until it was unlikely any other alternative could show up where they doubled down and made the advertisement painful.\n\nAt this point all we can do is stop creating new content for YouTube, but too many of the biggest creators literally have their livelihood coming from it so.....", "Tbf, factual news reports on the vaccine being safe were frequently in the 90% dislike range. The dislike bar isn't a fact check.", "I had the same thing happen. The dealership had my review removed. No recourse for me and the bad review stays off.", "Marketing is literally just twisting the truth as much as possible without outright technically lying in a way that could be proven in court. If honesty is important to a person, there’s no way they could work in marketing in good faith.", "It's basically a form of censorship that shouldn't be there. From what I've read, not showing dislikes means people won't be able to see if a video tutorial or the like is worth their time and various big companies don't have to deal with backlash from their customers. And now that they've gone this far with it, they're gonna get drunk on the power from this \"consequence-free\" outcome and just keep taking away everything else they don't like until all we can say to them is praise.", "Also that entrenched user base and app footprint (phones, smart tvs, consoles).\n\nWhich is to say: the day someone really does it better than YouTube, expect YouTube to do it that way too and drink, their, milkshake, up.", "After watching this video I now am starting to understand. These furries in the video have awoken me. They are the Paul Revere of censorship for me.\n\nFirst they came for the furries' comments, and I did do not speak out. But not this time. I will stand beside this blue anthropomorphic wolf. I will stand with my furry brothers and sisters.\n\nYou will not take silence these furries.", "“YouTube is deleting comments from a creator who..” would be a more accurate title. That one’s on me. There may be multiple reasons why this particular creator’s comments are being removed, and we will not know the full story. Many have noted the “handjob” reference may be in violation of YouTube policy, which is a possible cause of this scenario. There’s a lot to unpack, and I thought it was worth sharing, but it may be an isolated occurrence.", "What, like EXACTLY HOW IT WORKED BEFORE?", "Back then it was about cultivating an audience, this is always the end goal of any big company.", "It actually isn't because the dark side of the 'blocking free speech' is calls for violence, misinformation, etc. and not being allowed to see what the masses don't 'like' isn't even close to 'free speech'.\n \nBut big tech needs to be reigned in and it just isn't going to happen when they own like 80% of the party most friendly to them.", "You’re already seeing this with the shorts or reels or whatever the platform you’re on calls them. Creators will put out lazy content and disable the comments so it only appears as if they’ve gotten positive engagement from a thousand or so likes.", "This sort of censorship is dangerous and should be called out repeatedly until it’s stopped. YouTube is now reframing how people react. This is especially dangerous with news", "Sure we can, but given what other companies have done recently in regards to situations like this, calling it an \"uphill battle\" is almost a quintessential understatement.", "EXACTLY. It's because they have nothing better to do with their time", "I recently asked them to delete a Newsmaxx segment that promoted antivaxxersm and I was threatining them with contacting Margrethe Westager from the EU to stop Youtube from promoting this shit. \n\nThe next day they age restricted me and now want me to send them ID on my age. Yeah, not happening assholes.", "Money stops people. You have to have enough money to set up a world wide content delivery network. (or enough money to rent one) and expect to be operating at a loss for god knows how many years. Hell, Youtube itself wasn't really profitable for like the fist 10 years of its existence IIRC? So yea, Money stops you. You'd have to have SERIOUS money behind you to be able to start up a YT competitor. And then you get the same issues YT has with big money involved.", "Bar is set pretty high for a competitor to attract market share (for lack of a better term). Hosting high res video is not cheap.", "Ngl, removing dislikes on yt isn't evil. Not by a long shot. It's just stupid.", "It's one level of stupid to perform censorship it's another level of stupid to have an algorithm seemingly delete completely arbitrary comments", "What was so funny to me is that people didnt' think it was going to come to this. Like... how don't you see this shit coming?", "a fox in space. i love that dude", "Lol that's not how government funding works but y'all enjoy thinking THIS is 1984. I'm sure once you read it you'll realize.", "Of course they did. Just like how Reddit cuts off any and all mention of their Chinese overlor", "A sane alternative would be nice but that isn't going to happen when many nut jobs have been de-platformed for misinformation, calls for violence/hate, etc and trying to make their own echo chamber version of youtube happen.\n \nAll we'll get is numerous different lesser sites and people will just go back to yt, if they aren't banned.", "I’m ok with an uphill battle anything worth doing it’s always going to require a lot of work and may be fruitless. I rather fight for something then give up.", "I am seeing way more activity about YouTube removing dislike visibility than I did when Reddit did the same thing.", "I don't think any video game company has enough money or sway to influence youtube. You guys act like the whole platform is video game trailers and reviews. YouTube is way bigger than that", "Welcome to tha age of internet censorship, where if you don't have enough money and don't support certain agendas, your opinion doesn't matter.", "We need a new YouTube - Just a site where we all start uploading our content. \n\nThat old site will dry up in about 3 years if the content creators move.", "I can see where they're coming from though. Having part of your voice be taken away like this, especially at the whim of whoever overhears what you say feels very disempowering.", "Oi!", "One reason is because a video's worth/helpfulness/etc. will be determined by one, and only one, metric. Popularity. Having a \"like-only\" system of rating is almost the same as ranking every video solely by \"popularity\". The amount of likes now, necessarily, corresponds directly to the amount of views it has, and nothing else. It won't be the same ratio for every video, obviously, but it will still just be a proxy for \"popularity\" or \"views\" of a video. \n\nSo yeah, that's one of the biggest reasons I think it's dumb. I'll be honest though, I haven't waded in or cared about the controversy until now. I see some threads or see news articles, but I actually thought it was a thing that was tried and then stopped. I had no idea it was a thing that was still going to happen.\n\nThere's I'm sure lots of opinions out there, but I have no idea what they are. That's just my opinion. Popularity-contest rating is what removing the dislikes is, and I don't think that's a positive step in any direction.", "yea but apparently we have to remind them", "> How the fuck can you claim that everyone knows this? What a load of bullshit.\n\nI claimed that everyone who uses youtube a lot knows this. The fact that you didn't personally know about this feature has no impact on the fact that people who use youtube a lot are extremely familiar with shadowbans, especially since porn link spammers have been relentless over the past few months.\n\n>The purpose of shadowbanning is the act of banning someone without their knowledge or any way for them to realize it's happened.\n\nAs long as a comment is no longer publicly visible, there is a way for a spammer to realize they've been shadowbanned. It's impossible to design a system that shadowbans someone in a way that they can't figure out that they've been banned. The only thing you can really do is obfuscate to make it more difficult for them to figure out instantly, which is clearly what happens in OP's video. His comments stay up for almost 60 seconds, so any person/bot who quickly checks to see if their comment has been deleted will see that it's still up. Only when they go back a minute later will they see that their comment has been deleted. This isn't how I would have implemented this feature but that can be said about many other parts of youtube.", "It isn't but you kind of have to have some situational awareness about what the hot topics of campaigns to suppress information are.", "Also, most comment sections are already fucked. Most big channels are filled with bots and instant positive reinforcement from a community. People won't have even seen the video yet and they're posting something like ''You guys are amazing!'' to get some likes. Or you'll have a ton of verified channels in the comments farming the audience. Constantly marketing themselves. I'm sure that will only get worse.", "There's a quote out there that I cannot seem to find for the life of me. But it's basically talking about how 40 years ago or so, some of the most popular bands were famous about trying to break free of labels and stuff like that, but fast forward a few years and they were the ones doing commercials for cereals and shit.\n\nSame thing with YouTube. Used to be a place where people could freely post videos and express themselves. Now it's a fully corporatized platform with all that goes with it.", "You shouldn't have 'review bombed' them. /s\n\n\nI love that honest negative reviews get these PR campaigns that try to delegitimize the reviews.", "In this case youtube made the decision, probably solely, after a Youtube Rewind got disliked massively.", "[My favorite review is still up on a local mexican restaurant](https://i.imgur.com/oEFwISJ.png)", "> Not a fan of forcing private companies to host whatever users want, no.\n\nThen they shouldn't be able to hide behind Section 230 rights since that's the only reason why Section 230 exists. \n\nThe law states they 'may not editorialize user submitted content' and yet, that's exactly what they're doing though the editing of comments, deletion of content contrary to their narrative, algorithmic boosting of narrative-fitting content, placards on videos about controversial subjects clearly stating 'the correct' opinion, etc.", "Next they came for the gamers\n\nAnd I did not rise up\n\nFor I was a chad\n\nThen they came for me\n\nAnd there was no society left\n\nBOTTOM TEXT", "What we need is for people to stop using corporate toys and treating it as if they own a bit of it or have any control over it.\n\nWhat we need is distributed technologies that can't be controlled by anyone else.", "Lol. Sure. Compete with youtube they says.", "There was a comment on a YT vid, referencing the new dislikes policy and saying why does YT keep deleting this comment? \n\nI tried to reply … the comment had been deleted.", "I remember years ago when many people were predicting this. We all saw it coming from afar. It's the logical but tragic fate of YouTube. Many people were also sure this would happen when Google took YouTube over as well. Gradually it became less YOUtube and more Corporatetube. It's just going to become another version of network tv.", "All online products are made out of advertising. They were born ruined.", "It's stated elsewhere, but the concern is from people that go to YouTube for game walkthroughs, or DIY walkthroughs.\n\nIf a video is heavily disliked, its usually because it's just a bad video. Meaning it doesn't actually provide the content it says it does. Or provides false or bad information.\n\nFor example, if you have a Dog Training video that urges you to reward your dog with chocolate. It would get a bunch of downvotes. Other users would know not to trust that information, or not even bother with the video.\n\nNow, you won't know if it urges you to poison your dog without watching it all the way through.", "C O R P O R A T U B E\n\n^Sponsored ^by ^RAID ^SHADOWLEGENDS!", "The technical side of me wonders what is going on here.\n\nStraight away, I presume this is a cronjob running every minute deleting banned account comments or something like that. But surely YouTube has a bit more technical system than a damn crontab? lol\n\nAnyone with any background knowledge?", "its curation not censorship", "The weirdesst argument against all this (for me), is that that handjob comment stayed. If it broke guidelines, that for sure would be deleted. And if the argument is that they are trying to do some sort of shadowbanning, then that is silly: _all_ comments being deleted is way more obvious than _just that one_, especially if it is deleted on a delay like this one.", "Yeah I just checked and my review/conplaint was removed. Will just keep putting it back up", "It's their way of forcing you to watch 10 tutorial videos instead of one.", "They'll just filter it to hell, which they're already doing to a decent degree.", "Many people saw this coming. I remember even in the early days of YT many of us were saying how this wouldn't last. Even more people were saying this when Google took over. But you're right, there were also people saying the opposite. It's pretty much to be expected that this would happen. People saying otherwise were really off the mark. \n\nWe went from a platform that was truly for content creators and the viewers to more ads, more ads, more ads and more corporate influence.", "\"it'd be rough at first\" is a massive understatement. How's a startup video site supposed to compete with youtube's decade and a half worth of content?", "We as a society need to start aiming our support toward new platforms. And as soon as forces begin to push the new platform toward censorship start looking for the next platform. Rinse and repeat. That way Noone gets so powerful again that they become a monopoly. Some people will stay behind as loyal users but those who move in an agile manner will keep free speech as a top priority of upstarts.", "\"Hey look, the serfs are angry again, wanna go for lunch?\"", "Youtube should be a public ran entity that abides by the law not its own made up code of conduct.", "Is \"curation\" more accurate? My mistake.", "Are you dense? You can make a video like the OP here to document it.", "I think that this probably has a lot more to do with it than most folks on Reddit would like to admit (because we can't criticize \"our\" team and all that). Criticism/competition from business rivals isn't going to represent an existential threat to Youtube's business model anytime soon. Government action might.\n\nEarlier this year Youtube started aggressively \"finessing\" the number of dislikes on US Executive Branch youtube channels in response to what could be a mass downvote campaign against them and even with that the ratios were horrible.\n\nWith a sitting president who's previously [expressed intense dislike for section 230](https://www.theverge.com/2020/1/17/21070403/joe-biden-president-election-section-230-communications-decency-act-revoke), aggressive anti-monopolists in the seat at the FTC, the DOJ bringing back consent decrees, and a shadow campaign currently being orchestrated by team blue to prod tech companies into self-regulation/self-censorship (see Francis Haugen, currently advised by Bill Burton, represented by John Tye and bankrolled by Pierre Omidyar as the best example of that) - Youtube (and by extension, Google) very much doesn't want to be in the crosshairs.\n\nSo, they do what they feel they proactively need to do - and this is part of that.\n\nEdit - If anyone wants to post evidence that the current president likes section 230, that the current FTC is really chill with large tech companies or that the current Justice Department is steering away from the use of consent decrees than go ahead. Otherwise you're fooling yourself if you think that Youtube up and out of nowhere suddenly removed the dislike button out of nowhere in the face of what it knew would be consumer backlash and advertiser backlash to \"protect big companies media and tech\".", "Just compare the advice across a few videos as a cross check. Sucks but they took away the \"this guy is a fucking idiot\" at a glance.", ">This is tantamount to blocking free speech.\n\nI've been saying this for years and always been met by the same response by redditors here: \"not government, so not a free speech issue\".\n\nI'd love to see that position change among the public opinion here.", "Not only that, people could put out videos intentionally giving you the wrong information.\n\n\"Take your Roomba apart entirely. Bathe the components in a bath of water for at least 10 minutes. Make sure to use an impact driver when putting the plastic components back together. etc...\" \n\nAll you will see is the positive like count on that video. As far as the lay-person would be aware, that video is great and had 5,000 likes! But what it doesn't tell you is the 500,000 dislikes on that video because it caused people to short-out their components and break the plastic shells with an impact driver.\n\nCall me cynical, but I fully expect companies to intentionally start posting videos giving the wrong information for replacing parts to ensure people break it when they try it themselves.", "Most social media needs to go the way of public utilities, the same way phone telecommunications did.", "> The change came suspicously close to the release of some AAA horrible games \n\nYoutube makes 19.77 billion U.S. \n\nThey could give a fuck about a \"AAA\" game, the AAA games company, etc. \n\nThey have FUCK YOU money, and they are using it", "All corporations are self serving. The bigger they are, the less people matter.", "That’s comical coming from Reddit. But seriously people are upset dislikes are gone because it makes it harder to know if a video is worth watching. For example for me the like/dislike ratio was essential for looking for programming tutorials. Having something better to do with my time is the reason I want dislikes back.", "It's a it-definitely-got-darker-in-here-but-I-don't-see-an-obvious-shadow ban.", "Amazon does the same shit.", "> It is impossible to prove that\n\nYou literally just laid out a system to prove your claims.\n\nI don’t think they think you’re wrong. It’s well within the realm of possibility, and even the CEO of Reddit messed with people’s comments at one point.\n\nIt’s just that the odds are more likely that there is something else that’s wrong (carbon monoxide leak, alzheimers, etc…) and the way to actually prove your claim is to document things. If you were to blow the lid off this, you’d be a reddit hero", "yeah, i'm going to believe mr furry here", "THEMTUBE. I will pass that around. Thanks.", "Also isn't going to happen when the majority of lawmakers are geriatrics who don't understand a lick about the inter webs.", "Google \"Return Dislike Button Extension\"\n\nYou are welcome.", "Then you will have to cross check the advice with other videos. If they're all saying the same thing then it's probably accurate. It sucks but they took away the \"this guy is a fucking idiot\" flag.", "They should try changing their name /s", "The moment a competitor shows up, google buys them out and shuts them down.", "It will just be reaction videos with not real original to react upon. Quite the paradox.", "So this means comments are next on the chopping block?", "Money just ruins everything, doesn't it?\n\nHooray for capitalism!", "I miss the star rating.", "Corporate channels already disable comments. We’re there.", "censorship is the state mandating what can and cant be shown. this is a private entity decising whats on their platform", "What I don’t understand is how they can make more money by removing dislikes. How does it help them?", "And YouTube will be successful. People will keep using YouTube.", "I follow this creator and he's always seemed like a stand-up guy. He's made comments about this issue the past week or so before putting out the video.", "People keep saying this but I just don't see how this is the case. Marketing departments have more in depth metrics than the number of dislikes. People can still tweet and comment, the former of which companies care more about (social media reactions).\n\nYou think EA having the most downvoted comment on reddit affected the company in any real way? You actually think this was done because of YouTube Rewind dislikes? Get real. Stop being an unironic keyboard warrior.\n\nI believe this is a case of Hanlon's razor. They really do believe this is to protect creators. They are deleting comments in the hopes that this will blow over.", "The difference is that my comments are not removed in seconds and I don't do any of that stuff for living so I don't care anymore. And as I mentioned above I nuked my yt account by deleting all history of social interactions there - removed all comments, history of browsing etc and after I also removed the comment section I have no tools (or will) to recreate that happening again. I am at least partially removed from the equation.\n\nWhen I wrote about it last time people were telling me I am delusional and this time I get advices about CO2 and get called dense. Nice.\nI really don't care about karma or some random dudes calling me names on the Internet. The situations I am describing above are real no matter what you say.", "Maybe the channel has some sort of comment moderation turned on. Channels/videos can be set to only allow approved comments. If that is set, you will still see your own comment when logged in, but no one else will until it is approved.", "All recent reviews on the play store are 1 star yet the overall score remains at 4.4 stars. Don't believe it", "This is the agenda.\n\nNobody is able to share their opinions now unless it aligns with Youtube's. They control the narrative.\n\nThis is the whole reason for removing it in the first place.", "I was really hoping Pornhub would make an alternative to youtube. They have a great video player and a big enough brand to actually challenge youtube in online media (not just porn). They likely won't though, google has an insane amount of power being effectively the only search engine they are a big bear that no one wants to poke.", "How? They can just disable likes/dislikes and comments.", "Youtube is run by a bunch of snowflake karens", "Damn society is fucked.", "Drainage.", "Go. Go out among the people. Give up your money and show them money is the root of all evil.", "Hopefully decentralized video will be the new norm in the coming years", "I’ve been learning car repair and this has completely fucked me. Yeah, I can trust channels like ChrisFix, but occasionally I need to find a video about the exact model of 22-year-old car. The videos often have views in the hundreds or low thousands with only a few comments, but the dislike ratio always painted a clear picture.", "No one was saying this when Google took over, which was a year after YouTube started in 2006. No one even knew what this meant for YouTube by that point. Google itself was started a few years earlier and was pretty much a search engine, maps, and email service.", "Corporate channels already disable comments.", "Please. That would require Redditors to have conviction.", "YouTube is so top heavy in terms of what their audience watches. A competitor can take them out if they sign Spotify type deals with Mr Beast, etc (I don't know any other popular YouTubers).", "Okay, that makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.", "Nah it's just lying by another name", ">You’re already seeing this with the shorts or reels or whatever the platform you’re on calls them\n\nHow? You can leave comments on shorts. \n\n>Creators will put out lazy content and disable the comments so it only appears as if they’ve gotten positive engagement from a thousand or so likes.\n\nThis is the creators' fault and not YouTube.", "1", "Review bombing is literally the reason why they did this", "People get what they ask for", "> I claimed that everyone who uses youtube a lot knows this. The fact that you didn't personally know about this feature has no impact on the fact that people who use youtube a lot are extremely familiar with shadowbans, especially since porn link spammers have been relentless over the past few months.\n\nI do use the platform a lot. Most people that use it aren't aware of this, because most people aren't using it to spam porn links and other obviously bannable shit. If you're using it fairly normally, which 99% of users are, you'd have no reason to know about this \"feature\". Posturing this situation as something obvious to the community is just wrong.\n\n> It's impossible to design a system that shadowbans someone in a way that they can't figure out that they've been banned.\n\nYou can very easily ban someone and let them continue to contribute without them ever* having it readily apparent. Yes, if the user logs out, and looks for their comment, they'd be unable to find it, but if the user has no reason to investigate, they could continue on for eternity just believing their comments exist publicly because to them, their comments would always exist. Their comments are attached to their user profile, and their profile is flagged to block public visibility of their contributions. The idea that there's no way to implement this is completely false. They're already fetching a user's personal comments on a video to place at them at the top for easy visibility, so they can very easily continue to do that, but just not place the comment as a publicly visible comment. Source: I'm a web developer.", "I left three reviews, none addressed the dislike button, or the continual stream of intellectually bankrupt business decisions, but the horrible performance of the app as of late.\n\nA decade ago, five years ago, two years ago, the app was fine. Now it loads worse on my thousand dollar phone than videos did on my LG Optimus V I bought back in high school. And it's the same on multiple devices. Freezing for no reason, scrolling issues when looking at recommended videos or comments, the video freezing at chunks of the video, and if you rewind the video, it stays frozen at that same spot. View history randomly deleting or ignoring watched videos. And so many more gripes. This all happens regularly on two out of my three phones, and both of the problem phones are recently reimaged.\n\nI described as much of that as I could to show it's a legitimate complaint, but Google/YouTube has deleted my reviews three times now. Absolutely inexcusable, the response to that should be to fix the issue, not to try to cover it up and make us voice our concerns on Reddit. So far since the app has gotten bad, the only changes I've seen from app updates is that the app is working worse on my iPhone too.\n\nSuch a shame what they've done and will continue to do with this once-great platform.\n\n(Small edit for wording)", "To be fair there are some shitty kids out there.", "Do you even have to install it? My android phone came with it already on and I can't take it off.", "\"take a picture of the missing comments\" holy fuck haha", ">Now it's simply become mainstream media and the media doesn't like it when people can give direct feedback.\n\nWhat? You think the media doesn't like social media reactions? \n\nLiterally every other social media has comments, unlike dislikes. They're not going to get rid of them. \n\n>Maybe they'll first intensify the way they shadowban comments. Giving channels more ways to moderate.\n\nWait this will be a good thing and what they should be doing. I've seen so many creators beg YouTube for better comment moderation tools.", "A Fox is Space is pretty great though. (Its a Starfox show based on the style of a Don Bluth Animation)", "You didn't realize that YouTube was mainstream when everyone's default home page became polluted with official clips from Ellen, Jimmy Fallon, and Conan? It went from \"here's a silly clip with obviously shitty effects we added in Windows Move Maker just for fun in our friend's basement\" to \"here are some jokes from the celebrities and ads from the biggest companies on the planet\" like 10 years ago.", "So like... Is everyone just going to have 5 star Google reviews? Lol\n\nHow's this place? 5 stars!\n\nEventually the mass (Outside of Reddit) will catch on", "So now you’re going to have to watch more/all the videos. Sounds like exactly what they want.", "Yep, his comments are probably in the \"Likely Spam\" section of the uploader's videos waiting for approval.", "\"Wow, everyone must love removing the dislike button. See, no one is even talking about it! Such a smooth transition.\" \n\n\n\\- youtube", "Someone should start a Reddit sub where YouTube videos are posted and people comment on whether the info is useful.", "Yup. Pretty obvious dislike removal was them beginning to crack down on criticism. Weirdly similar to China.", "Everything you just said is either based on incorrect assumptions or is outright false. You have never worked as a web developer in your life. To quote you from above, \"What a load of bullshit\".", "So, like, stop using it.", "this woulda been useful for the godfall bullshit ps plus is pulling for december", "Im just gonna dislike every video from now on", "I really hope this post get way more attention.", "Why sooo much censory????\n\nNo one asked for this garbage.", "Be heinous . . . Eat Heinz", "This will pass and we'll take it", "For android users, use NewPipe. Stop using YouTube.", "No. It's Fuck You-Tube", "You could still look at the likes per view ratio. A high proportion of likes per view would indicate a good tutorial, meanwhile a very low like count for the views would be one to skip.", "I know the removal of the dislike counter is controversial, but this particular video has nothing to do with that. His comment that included the word \"handjob\" triggered the spam filter. Now when he posts comments on other videos, they will go to the \"Likely Spam\" section for the uploader of those videos to review & approve. This is a widely known issue with the YouTube spam filter. It will catch comments like this and then put you into a shadowban state where you can comment but the owner/uploader of the videos you comment on will have to approve your comments before they show up on the video.\n\nNot sure how long the auto-moderation / shadowban lasts, but my guess is if this guy reaches out to another content creator and has them check their \"Likely Spam\" section for his comments after posting, it will answer his question.", "This is slightly off-topic, but if you guys haven't seen this youtuber's passion project A Fox in Space, you definitely should.", "I really like that the pressure is still on. I expected people to forget about the dislike removal and move on.", "Why can't someone else take its place? There's clearly a market for it.", "I've been under the assumption that it's mostly to drive engagement.\n\nTwitter/Insta/Snapchat all thrive on people reacting angrily because you can't downvote things - if you want the dopamine rush of telling someone they're wrong you have to write a comment.\n\nA comment that the Youtube can point to a say\n\n> See - X000 people are \"engaging with the Content\", that's why we want more of those advertising dollars\n\n\"The Algorithm\" has always ranked engagement highly and this is them pushing people to engage in a way that's better for Youtube", "Capitalism's great, eh?", "Remember when the internet was mostly just a bunch of nerds showing off cool stuff? Pepperidge Farm remembers.", "But they somehow cant get rid of all these bots on every single video, interesting.", "It does but it's also a lesson in not expecting to be empowered by what is essentially just a private forum.\n\nI realise the social media age has changed peoples perception of this but we're not so far from the previous web where people fully expected their contributions to be heavily moderated and curated on forums etc.", "The idea for hiding it publicly is to disincentivise dislike brigading. If you can't see the effect of your dislike campaign, most people simply won't bother doing it in the first place.\n\nThat said, this is still a bullshit decision. Channels could already hide public dislike counts if they wanted. This is almost certainly tied to pressure from advertisers who don't like getting ratio'd (like that Pepsi ad that insinuated Pepsi can stop protests).\n\nYouTube does fight misinformation on their platform, however ineffectual it may be. In my view, decisions like this make the most sense if you just follow the money.", "Another video bitching about YouTube. They’re going to do what they’re going to do. Vapid 20 somethings will still make cringy videos chasing 12-14 year old viewers, and after 5 years will realize they’ve wasted their lives doing nothing of value. Rinse and repeat.", "I really don’t give a shit about YouTube drama", "That's not a matter of public opinion, it's legal reality.", ">If you were to blow the lid off this, you’d be a reddit hero\n\nYeah. Maybe. But I just don't care. If people are not seeing that youtube as a platform should be abandoned because it is manipulating people and data than I cannot really do anything about it \"even\" by posting a video that shows specific examples of that happening. People do not care about some random dude whining about his data being manipulated online by a huge corporation because it is happening all the time, every day to everyone. People are now whining about removal of dislike counter but they also were against removal of five star system and at some point they just accepted it as a new normal.\n\nCreating a video that could expose this manipulation of user content would require me to run a server that would take screenshots (and copying the text) of all comments I ever posted, every minute or so and compare these to the previous screenshot until it would notice any difference. It is beyond my technical abilities. Right now I have no comments in my history because I stopped engaging in comment section. If any creator would actually start digging into that maybe it would look different but I would assume that over some amount of subscribers they are whitelisted, their comments are not edited or deleted. That seems to be a way to avoid being exposed. Meanwhile the video that this post is about says otherwise and this dude is over 142000 subscribers.", "What is going on with Youtube? We need an alternative video service! The ads are ridiculous enough...and now this.", "> I NEED to know what percentage of people had success following these steps before I take my Roomba apart.\n\nJust be absolutely sure not to leave anything sharp in its reach after putting it back together, it might take it and try to hunt you down.", "It's really so that YouTube rewind can no longer be the most disliked video ever and so that no-one of YouTube's clients (i.e. other corporations) get irritated at having large numbers of dislikes. \n\nThis is imo nothing to do with the creator or viewers community.", "So it's not \"impossible to document\"\n\n You just don't give a fuck. That's fair, but you should just say that then try to act like very possible is impossible.", "youtube is the next myspace.", "I doubt that. They've had YouTube Rewinds disliked massively for the last several years, if I'm not wrong? I feel like a Rewind hasn't had a positive ratio since like 2015.", "> I don't even know how to do it on my TV.\n\nI wouldn't expect most TV-watchers to bother, but if you push up on the remote you get all the options like stream quality, like/dislike, video speed, etc.\n\nThe problem, though, is not whether something is \"popular\". If I see something has a lot of views but has overwhelming dislikes, then something's fucky with that video. It's a helpful tool when looking for guides on how to do something, like car repairs or food recipes or hobby-related stuff like crafts, 3d printing, whatever.\n\nI usually can tell 10 seconds into a video if it's gonna be shit quality and not worth my time....but also seeing that it's universally disliked was also helpful. \n\nI don't see why that should \"blow your mind\". We all know Youtube is a big soulless corporation but when all the community is there, they want to keep useful tools, not lose them.", "I also don’t see it, which is why I’m still convinced that they did it because they’re still salty about Rewind 2018", "All they had to do was make showing dislikes an \"opt-in\" instead of \"opt-out\". Any big corporation wouldn't get nearly as much heat for intentionally hiding things, and any user who actually gave a fuck about their viewers would just turn it on.", "Some real \"YoU cRiTiCiZe SoCiEtY yEt YoU pArTiCiPaTe In It\" energy going on here.\n\nSure dude, just go out there and throw away all your money while living in a capitalist system because that's the intelligent way to bring your message across and totally not ruin your livelihood.", "That's true as well. I'm not just playing devils advocate here, I'm just seeing both sides of the fence.", "and this doesn't even begin to address the countless shitty vendors selling shitty products that ask you/bribe you/lie to you for a positive review on amazon.", "I left a comment flaming youtube for putting the worst ad possible in the worst possible place. I remember spewing rhetoric about how \"this site was solely user uploaded cat videos and people getting hurt\" and so on\n\nI only wish i had that tremendous term chambered at the time.", "Yeah most of these comments talking about their comments being removed instantly are referring to the filter that detects porn and slur related words.\n\nBut other than that, yeah, no, every other complaint is valid.", "Does this guy realize he doesn't need to make us wait 30 seconds in real time for the comment to get deleted? Does knows it's possible to edit videos??", "When I’m looking for tutorials and how tos for things, i always seek out larger, more trusted and well known channels, if that’s possible", "Why are they hiding dislikes anyway?", "Welcome to Chinatube.", "As a restaurant owner I can tell you removing bad reviews from Google's My Business isn't that trivial or even guaranteed. Unlike Yelp, where if you play ball with them, they'll \"curate\" your reviews.", "For the moment, there's a browser plugin that still shows the dislike count.\n\nEventually they'll board that up, but... no reason we can't say we have a super secret plugin that does work and shout out bogus dislike numbers in the comments section. How are they going to prove I'm lieing?\n\nAnd of course: Like this comment if you hate this video.\n\nGood times ahead.", "And since no company on the planet can create a competitor for YouTube, as is tradition it will continue.", "LMAO... WHAT!? You can literally look in my comment history and see my contributions to web dev subs... You're a fucking idiot, and you don't have a clue what you're talking about clearly. This is all pretty fucking basic API work.", "Shocked.. shocked I tell you", "Back in the day people would often ask this question and the main answer I often saw against it that it costs lost of money to host so much videos like YT does. And nowadays YT has such a crazy huge audience. It's established so it's hard to bring them over somewhere else.", "Time to switch to Odysee everyone.", "Pkay so several rewinds got disliked.\n\nStill probably the main driving factor.", "Orders product. Product received is a moldy orange. Write 1 star review about how the new GPU I ordered is in fact a moldy orange. Review deleted for not being about the seller", "Oh fuck off. \n\nMarketing is the practice of putting your product or service in front of as many people who are likely to be interested in it as possible, and tell them why you think they should spend their money on your product as opposed to a competitor. No more, no less. Whether you then choose to stretch the truth to mislead people and gain an advantage is a choice you make.\n\nIt’s no different than the process of applying for a job-you send out lots of applications to people who are actively looking for someone, and then you illustrate in an interview why you are a better fit for their needs than someone else. You can choose to lie on your résumé or forge a letter of recommendation, but if you’re worth anything as a candidate you can sit back and let your real qualifications and experience do the talking.\n\nAttacking the character of people who work in a particular field, rather than practices that unscrupulous companies can employ in that field, is a great way to come off as an asshole.", "Where do you draw the conclusion from that I wasn't aware of YT's change throughout the years?", "The only thing they understand is money. Everyone install ad block software into your browser. \n\nSorry content creators, but as long as you use YouTube you’re enabling their behavior", "I’m not sure I understand you. In your scenario if a user has the opportunity to question “why did this video hide the dislikes?” they would immediately have the opportunity to suspect it’s untrustworthy content. Which would make YouTube less money. That’s why they’re hiding all dislikes.", "It's honestly unchecked, unmitigated greed, not the economic system. Many people are greedy SOB's, but those with excess means can exercise their greed far more effectively than the rest of us. Granted, many caught in the web of inequality aren't psychopaths who would allow their greed to destroy countless lives. Some of the wealthiest people I know are also the most ethical in their businesses and generous, giving 100's of thousands of their own money away each year.\n\nCapitalism, like all economic systems, is prone to abuse. In theory, most economic systems work really well. Once the human element is introduced, those systems eventually break down because bad actors with lots of money can ruin it for 99% of everyone else. It happens in socialism, communism, and capitalism. History has shown us this much.\n\nAlthough I'm not 100% certain, I think the countries currently operating successfully under other systems haven't been doing so long enough for their imperfections to clearly manifest.", "The entirety of American culture and traditions wrapped up into one sentence.", "Hard disagree. That's like saying if the government starts restricting protests that any person encouraging a mass protest because of this is the reason the government is restricting protests. I guess you are technically right, but I don't see a reason why it is morally wrong.", "They'll make it so the uploader can check a box that says \"No negative comments\" and a bot will delete anything it deems negative using keywords and account history. Either that or they'll only allow certain accounts to make comments.", "Just cancelled my youtube premium membership. I can't sanction this kind of behavior with my wallet.\n\nIf anyone at Google is reading this: I (and many others) will not pay for youtube premium unless you restore the dislike counter.", "You reminded me to express my thoughts about the removal with a review on the play store. \n\nI honestly dont know why they think it's fine removing a collective tool used to deduce how we choose to spend our time on the platform. I guess they're dumbing it down for more profit? Kinda a sad turn of events.", "The stupid thing is they didn't even get rid of the button. They just made it so that only the channel owner can see how many people have clicked it, instead of the counter showing to the public. Literally nothing is being taken away from people except one particular way of publicly broadcasting that they don't like something.", "You say that like those things don’t already exist. \n\nPeertube.com mf. \n\nSpin up your own instance and join the federation.", "No. The media does not like negative feedback. \n\nI never said more ways of moderation is a bad thing. In my comment however I linked it towards YT's possible approach of marketing it in that way to work towards completely changing the way commenting works. I never said more moderation is bad. Context.", "oh ok I'll just go live in a cave and lick slime mold off the walls", "FYI there are browser add-ons now for Chrome and Firefox (possibly others too) that restore the visible dislike count. Spread the word. A lot of people probably stopped using the dislike button when they figured no one would ever see it, so it's important for everyone to know so the ratios correctly represent people's feelings.", "I'm not talking about dicking around in react.js, I'm talking about professional web development. The first incorrect assumption you made is that you can \"very easily\" implement a change to the comment framework on a platform the size of youtube, which told me everything I needed to know about your (lack of) experience with web development.", "things that will never happen for 400\n\nHow about we just gave comcast another 100 or 200 billion or some shit to update their fiber to rural areas. We've already done that 3 times already. Not like they're just gonna pocket again and not update their fiber. NeoLiberalism wins again.", "About 3:1.", "I was on YT since YT started. Plenty of people were saying it. I can clearly remember it. People were even saying it before Google took over that it would slowly decline. When Google took over that chatter intensified.", "It didn't work. Seth Rogen's Christmas movie got roasted hard. People are still going to click that button to let out frustration when they sit too long in a bad tutorial, movie trailer, or uninteresting video.", "They are going the Netflix route. Eventually like and view counts will be removed, even from creators.", "Youtube deletes comments all the time. Not just critique of their platform.", "The phone companies didn’t go that way, they were dragged kicking and screaming by the govt. The difference is, now the ‘phone companies’ moderate and ‘fact check’ what you can say to other people. \n\nThe govt is both the problem and the answer, unfortunately.", "Being against capitalism isn't about hating money or capital for the sake of it. It's about learning about the contradictions and figuring out a way to solve them.", "look at it from YT perspective, negative feedback never pays. we need another platform, like quick.", "They actually own both parties. There's really only one pro-corporation party with two faces.", "Corporations more willing to post more content and advertise more when they don’t have to worry about facing backlash via a bad dislike ratio", "People really need to bite the bullet and uninstall YouTube. Android users can do it today in favor of Vanced.", "no its not, its literally a huge problem for me. Gtfo of here with that shit just because it doesnt affect you", "They understand a whole hell of a lot more than they let on.", "What we really need is proper antitrust/anti-competition enforcement. The problem isn't that the companies manipulate what we say, but that there are so few alternatives to these companies.", "I never said it is impossible to document that. I said that it is impossible to prove that without special tools - I was talking about my specific situation that now when I excluded myself from social interactions on youtube is quite literally impossible to document. Maybe I should add the last part in the previous comments but I didn't think that someone would actually want to talk about it.\n\nAs someone noticed I also gave you a full recipe on how to document it if you want to. So go on and do it. Just write a bot that would take screenshots of all your comments every minute, compare contents with previous screenshot and maybe at some point you could notice some changes in your comments or you could see some comments disappearing. Having, lets say 1000 comments over the years, taking 1000 screenshots every minute and comparing these would need some programming beyond my abilities but yeah.. it is quite possible to do that. \n\n\nEDIT: \nI wonder where did you get that \"impossible to document\" quote from or why did you put it in \"\".", "Oh they have this all screwed up. Don’t, be evil.", "Yeah, noticed this yesterday when I posted about the chrome extension and it was deleted instantly. First thought was this sadly...", "You need to research what that term means, because it doesn't mean what you think it's means.", "The main driving factor is keeping advertisers happy, I don't think they care about the rewind dislikes, it doesn't effect their bottom line and they even mentioned it jokingly on the dislike video.", "I'm honestly at a loss on how to identify good products these days...\n\nBrick and mortar chains stock shit at high prices, presumably because they can't compete with eBay/Amazon etcetera.\n\neBay and Amazon are choked full with bought for reviews or negative review scrubbing via refund offers.\n\nSo, unless there's something specific that I can search for on Reddit or a good independent review site catered towards the type of product like rtings... I dunno what to do.\n\nHow am I meant to know if this thing I'm buying is a good product? Even if the reviews are truthful, how can I know the product hasn't since been downgraded in terms of manufacturing quality?", "Just want to give everyone the chance to return the dislikes by sharing a browser extension.\n\nhttps://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/\n\nI did it yesterday after seeing it talked about by That Umbrella Guy on YouTube. Highly recommend it.", "This is like one of those, \"it's not illegal so it's not immoral\" arguments when talking about how wall street investors can seemingly tank society with no repercussions. \n\nThe only public sphere we have left is these fucking social media companies. Sure, private corporations technically have the right to fuck over everyone using it and erode the fabric of reality, but maybe we should, you know, think about a way to turn this shit into a public utility or something. Otherwise in 10 years all we will be able to talk about is how great CCP is and clever navigators like you will be all 'uh this aint the government why are you even mad'", "And so the rise of dailymotion begins...", "I like watching movie and music reviews on YouTube and the dislike bar was a great way to see if the general public agrees with the reviewer or if they posted a hot take.", "Its a good excuse for why they did this but its not why.", "They don't even have to buy them out. They can just have their search engine favor YouTube over any other video sites and essentially starve out the competitor.", "Welcome to society in 2021. Where society realized stupid is no longer a factor in survival", "That's just not true. \n\nThere is a process to remove them, see [here](https://support.google.com/business/answer/4596773?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop). \n\nMy review was factual and didn't break the rules as I understood them, the review was still removed, as I said, no recourse.", "What was the video about?", "This is for political and mass media reasons. \"You\"tube is done with \"you\". They are in it for big money and power. They are sold on the idea that they need to police speech. They want to be integrated with the mechanisms of control and influence. They genuinely believe it is their duty and their right to control how you think. This is apart of a larger system of mass control that is well underway and becoming more totalizing by the day. Soon the systems of monitoring and coercion will be technically distinct but practically indistinguishable from those used in China. \n\nThis isn't hyperbole. It's happening. \n\nWhat will you do about it?", "It's not just YouTube on the PlayStore, they do it for ALL apps reviews. PayPal has A LOT of negative reviews removed.", "In order for people to change that position the laws would need to change. Youtube is a private company so \"Free speech\" is the complete wrong approach.", "Two add-ons to install / activate on your browser: One that restores the dislike count and an ad blocker.\n\nThe first one will work until they change the API (unofficial or otherwise) that the add-ons can use, and the second one will work until advertisers force YouTube to start using anti-ad-blocker technology.", "Auto deleting youtube comments sounds more like an upgrade to me.", "~~They officially removed that slogan.~~\n\nApparently that was bullshit.", "Review bombing removes all negative reviews for a certain time period. You basically have to keep returning to the play store and setting your 1/2 star reviews every day or so for like 2 weeks. They stop removing the negative reviews once the heat dies down a little.", "Those decade old Onion video’s slap harder than anything else satire these days lol.", "It's kind of like financial advice, isn't it?\n\nDon't ~~buy this stock~~ review this app because I said so. Do ~~buy this stock~~ review this app if you think that's the correct decision.", "Who is looking at a video with disabled comments and assuming anything but bad things happened? The second I see that I assume some shit went down", "I think this is most likely one of two bugs:\n\n * His account was erroneously flag as some sort of bot or malicious user. The delayed deletion is to fool malicious users into thinking the comment had an effect.\n * It's a bug in the distributed algorithm/replication google is using an the comment wasn't meant to be deleted.\n\nBut who knows.", "It is their platform and they can do what they want with it. If you use such a service (whether publishing content or simply interacting with it), you are subject to whatever the service provider feels is within the scope of their design, which may be subject to change at any time. This doesn't just go for YouTube, but any platform or service rendered anywhere. I understand that some depend on it for a living, but to be fair, the only reason said creators make any money at all is because YouTube sells ad space, and that should disgust you more than anything.", "This needs to be higher.", "For real. It was basically gone in 2011 when people were still losing the game.", ">What I don’t understand is how they can make more money by removing dislikes. How does it help them?\n\n\"Hey, I'm a big advertiser, and my products always get dislikes. I'm not advertising here anymore.\"\n\n\"Hey, I'm a huge ~~fake news outlet~~ influencer, I'm going to move to another platform because people keep ~~disliking and disproving what I say~~ hating on me. Say good bye to your share of the ad revenue!\"", "Right, and I said they had the review removed, I didn't say that the owner personally removed it and there was no recourse. So your comment really had nothing to do with what I said.", "One reason: a huge number of people use YouTube for learning information they do not know, such as how-to videos or videos explaining current events. If you look up how to do something, odds are you are also going to be ignorant to the surrounding details, since they are new and unfamiliar to you, and will struggle to identify incorrect information. \n\nFor example, I might want to complete a small maintenance item or investigate an unusual behavior on my car. YouTube is an excellent resource for getting help with that sort of thing. I type in what I want to do, and two relevant videos pop up: one that's the correct and safe way to do it, and one that is incorrect and risks damaging my vehicle or even my safety. I, the inexperienced novice, do not know which is which. If the good video has 198 likes and 4 dislikes, and the wrong video has 250 likes but 800 dislikes, I can maybe guess which one is more accurate. It's a lot harder if I only see 198 vs. 250 likes. \n\nAnother example may be somebody who dropped out of high school in 1957 to go to work and has never taken a biology course in their life trying to learn accurate, up-to-date information on the coronavirus and it's vaccines. Will that person be able to successfully determine fact from fiction and science reporting form fear mongering misinformation?\n\nThere is also distaste on the internet (and reddit in particular) over corporations and their machinations. Without visible dislike counts, it makes it just a little bit harder to publicly call out/shame a company for an unpopular announcement or action. Think, as an example, of the \"sense of pride and accomplishment\" comment from EA, and how resoundingly clear of a message was sent by bombing that comment to oblivion. Now, I'm not going to say \"we did it reddit\" and claim that comment single-handedly changed how Battlefront II was handled, but it was a very noticeable part of a larger backlash across the internet and gaming communities that did lead to changes. It's very minor, but public dislikes can function as a \"hold people accountable\" measure.", "> No. The media does not like negative feedback.\n\nYou said direct feedback, which they do like.\n\n>I never said more ways of moderation is a bad thing.\n\nYou said it would be a move leading to them removing comments, so something we should be suspicious of. \"That's how it'll be marketed\" would be correct. It would only be a good thing.", "There are so many forms of marketing this dude doesn’t even realize exist lol\n\nWhat about SEO? The technical ability to optimize a website so that it functions better and shows up in more searches. \n\nThat’s marketing too. What’s misleading about that?", "We could set up a browser extension to add back the ratio based on a database the extension references based on extension users like/disliking the video, but that heavily limits potential exposure unless the extension picks up enough traction.", "Corporations decide American law. \n\nIn China, the government is the authoritarian government. In America, corporations call the shots.\n\nThus, when I say welcome to China I do so because corporations are flexing and expanding their power every day to control what is allowed to be seen.", "/r/videos (this sub) to find interesting videos. If you find a creator you like, they probably have their own subreddit. If not, make one.\n\nVideos can be directly hosted by Reddit now so we don't have to be stuck using YouTube.\n\nThe only missing piece is to make the video player not be cancer.", "What are the more viable alternatives to YouTube What other apps or websites can people migrate to?\n\nI wish people would abandon YouTube en masses like everyone did with Digg to Reddit. If I knew how to make a website I would do it, but I wait for a smart and intelligent person to get the light bulb, and make this a reality. From design, creation, to the marketing to make it popular.", "Wow, that's Meta&trade;\n\nEdit: Thanks for the formatting tip!", "Corporations decide American law.\r \n\r \nIn China, the government is the authoritarian government. In America, corporations call the shots.\r \n\r \nThus, when I say \"welcome to China\" I do so because corporations are flexing and expanding their power every day to control what is allowed to be seen.", "Oh ya. Censorship is definitely a problem only found within America.", "\"Theirtube\"", "Remember when Google’s motto was “Don’t be evil”?", "Well, they support BLM, so everyone go cry somewhere", "It still is if you use a 3rd party app that blocks ads and you only watch your subscribed channels, I watch on my tv so I don't even bother with likes or comments normally, I trust the channels I watch to tell me the content of their videos with their title. It's exactly the same with reddit. People complain about the reddit app, etc. I have no idea what they're talking about because I use a third party app to view reddit and I don't see ads either. I don't understand why people still visit the front page of reddit or yt and day \"this is fine\" when in fact it's hot garbage.", "I am somehow in the top 20% of google reviewers with something like 50 reviews over ten years.\n\nI don't think people read them anyway.", "lol can you link that?", "Rumble is pretty good", "[Everybody disliked that]\n\nYouTube: “Not anymore!”", "Public ran like owned by the government?", "Welcome to ideal capitalism.", "first world problems. Sheesh.", "Advertisers. People selling misinformation.", "~~don't be evil~~", "Another form of censorship happening in society these days.", "Yes it'd legally be negating YouTube's free speech rights to tell them they can't do this under pretty much all existing precedent.", "Have you tried eating your ISP?", "Because our economy is not tied to producing goods. \n\nAdvertising is a symptom of our economic system, not the underlying cause ruining things", "I've never looked the likes or dislikes of a video. I barely read the comments.", "\"we want to make sure everyone has a voice\". Or whatever the fuck they said before.", "So you still try to do it. Shame on you.", "Ironically Steve Jobs has a great take about this.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlBjNmXvqIM&ab_channel=SteveJobs", "Again, I didn't say they personally removed it, they had it removed through the complaint process to which there is no recourse. \n\nUse incognito or make sure I'm not logged in and I can look at all of the reviews and mine isn't there. Not hard to figure out.", "Deleting comments is shadow banning.", "Honest question: why don't we have a viable alternative to youtube? Is hosting really so expensive that only one company in the world can do it?", "We're coming into a post review world. A world where everyone is happy and everything is amazing (if that needs to be enforced, so be it).\n\nYou will not own anything, you will not have your own opinions, you will consume, you will be happy.", "Video games are the world to Reddit children.", "I've had similar feelings about marketing and sales positions. I feel like you have to at the very least lie by omission if you work in those positions.", "You responded to him out of context and he showed you were wrong and misrepresenting his words. Then you 'appeal to authority' and continue to babble on. Just shut up.", "Maybe it's time for a new website. YouTube has a monopoly on video content right now which is why they can do this with zero repercussions.", "Well said. YouTube as a viable platform for independent creators is dead.", "SueTube! Because censorship!", "Where did I say you can easily change the comment framework of YouTube? Talk about assumptions. You're also just a chronic fucking liar...\n\nYou have posts recently in /r/teenagers, posts four years ago [claiming to be a college student](https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/77mz39/tx_apartment_complex_claims_roommate_renewed_my/), and posts [claiming to have ran an IT team for eight years](https://www.reddit.com/r/PLC/comments/r6jzpn/whats_up_you_dirty_controls_engineers/hmx2190/). You're just full of shit top to bottom without a lid.\n\nSort your fucking life out dude.\n\nEdit: Then you went from being an [IT hiring manager for eight years, to being a random tech](https://www.reddit.com/r/IDontWorkHereLady/comments/4uagxn/friday_afternoon_at_the_country_club/)... You're all over the fucking place, and clearly just talking out of your ass half the time. I don't know if I should feel bad for you being an [alcoholic disaster](https://www.reddit.com/r/IDontWorkHereLady/comments/4uagxn/friday_afternoon_at_the_country_club/), or if I should be skeptical that's even true in the first place.", "In a literal sense yeah its not protected by the first amendment. The argument many are making is that when the public forum is a private website with influence to dictate public conversation on par to the government if the laws should not be changed to cover that.", "You know I wasn’t talking about your extremely specific example, right? \n\nThe fact that you had to go to such an extreme to make your point in bad faith kinda bolsters mine, homie. You’re delusional if you think marketing isn’t just using euphemisms at best and straight up lying at worst. There are countless legal cases for this type of thing, because marketing is always riding the line between honesty and dishonesty.\n\nDishonest people never seem to see it though, I wonder why.", "toe the line or be silenced", ">Why does advertising have to ruin everything...\n\nBecause _you_ are the product.", ">Why does ~~advertising~~ capitalism have to ruin everything...", "Sorry what the fuck is an outside", "People caring about the removal of this button have no life. Yeah, I said something negative, now downvote me", "Uh. We have plenty of other public spheres. Just they require you to go and do things in person, which less and less people seem willing to do.\n\nI honestly think that the death of coherent political movements in the US and large parts of the rest of the world are because we've stopped meeting in person to organize. When organization took effort and not just reposting leadership and hierarchy formed which is essential for driving a strong movement.\n\nNow none of that is required.\n\nIf you want to make a difference work to reduce the use of social media and the internet in general for communication and organization.", "Why would Youtube want to give people more low quality videos? Wouldn't presenting high quality content first keep people the most engaged? They can always cycle into low quality stuff as needed when running out. It also costs them money to permanently store every video someone uploads, including the garbage no one ever wants to see, so not sure why theyd want to encourage more of that content being created", "Yup. That’s why I didn’t last very long at all in advertising art class in high school. I actually value honesty.", "This would have been interesting, if he hadn't written \"what a handjob\". If this had happened with a normal, critical response, yeah, I'd be upset. But this could very well be the result of a completely unrelated mechanic.", "They absolutely should, YouTube comments are so toxic.", "A good many make their income from elsewhere as YouTube is unreliable as shit. If they thought they could realistically bail and have their audience follow the content somewhere else it wouldnt be unbelievable for many of them to do so.", "Meanwhile my wife runs a store in a small town and she was unable to get a 1star review removed from someone who didn't even shop there. \n\nWe checked the profile and the person just left one star reviews at nearly every small business in town on the same day. \n\nGoogle said they wouldn't remove it.", "I'm finding I have to use Duckduckgo more and more frequently these days.", "That seems... evil", "They've been filtering my comments pretty strictly for something like two years now. My IP seems to be on some kind of list where I often can't post anything remotely controversial like swear words, even though it lets other people post them. That doesn't seem to be specific to channels either since I've tested it. My comments never actually publish, though. I post them and then go into incognito mode, so that I'm not logged into that account, and I can't see them then, even though I can still see them on the account they were posted on.", "So this site is killing itself. What is an alternative website??", "Who can come up with another YouTube like site that would be better? Hopefully not Mark Zuckerberg.", "> It also made many base design level decisions that will hopefully prevent the deterioration of the service as it grows.\n\nPlease could you elaborate?", "Fake Reviews on Amazon chap my hide. I recenty ordered a product on Amazon which had a 4.5 star average. I thought great, this is going to be a good one. The product sucked. Subpar quality. The only way it could have got a high ranking was if they were fake.", "Big money advertiser: \"Google, we would like to only spend money on ads to appear on videos that have more likes than dislikes.\"\n\nGoogle: \"Problem solved!\"", ">Money just ruins everything, doesn't it?\n>\n\nMoney? No. We need to stop perpetuating this lie.\n\nMoney is simply a tool used to facilitate exchange of goods and services to meet needs.\n\nWhat ruins everything is when you dictate the manufacturing of goods and the running of services with the profit motive.\n\nIf your main incentive must be to make profits, you will do vile things to other people and our communal goods to meet that goal.\n\nIf you change the incentives that drive society along with our current currency's inner workings, people's (and business's) behavior will change.\n\n Why is a $20 bill more coveted than any individual good/service worth $20? Why does money today gain more value for sitting in a for-profit bank's accounts and not for being put back into the community? These questions are answerable and we can change how money works so those answers stop being the case", "Freedom of speech dies more each day. And before everyone's like this is a private company; they legally can. I understand that. Doesn't change my point", "Ok so then why. Btw I don't agree with it", "So, does everyone go over to a new platform, or do we just keep sucking daddy capitalism's big, eventually fascist cock?", "its because the CEO of youtube receives so many dislikes she disabled it. :'( go cry more SUSAN", "Soon as my bathroom break is over i'll quit society", "The Dislike thing is so weird. They claim it's for the creators, but all the creators are against it. I want to know who paid them to do this, because you know that's what it comes down to. My guess is it'll boil down to politics like everything else lately. I get that Youtube is a global platform, but political parties in the US will throw enough money around for that not to matter and one side is pretty desperate to steal an election back in any way possible.", "It's more than advertising. Imagine we go into a war and people are against it. YouTube will just censor it", "Pretty sure it's usury that is the root of all evil, but I don't see you calling for banks to give up interest bearing loans", "Corptube", "To be fair he didn’t criticize the choice to remove the dislikecount. Lots and lots of people are criticizing that they’re not having any ill affects at all. Wolf criticized the man, that’s different. Being censored isn’t right but he’s being censored for what he did not what everybody else is doing.", "They pay to have them removed", "Right. I typically don't want to write a bad review, unless it was real egregious. I think a lot of people are the same way.", "You saying you have no convictions?", "IMO America is supposed to be “We”. But the media and government turned into “Us vs them”. Then they keep changing the “them” whenever their plan doesn’t work.\n\nI wish we could just all be Americans together, and not fight each other. United we stand, divided we fall.", "The alternative is you're going to find someone you like and pay a few bucks monthly to support. Kind of like what Patreon does", "Sure, why not. YouTube is basically a public utility", ">Next up for removal: comments.\n\nI was discussing this with someone who supported the removal of the dislike counter, their argument was that it was being used to bully small creators, to which I responded that comments were a thing, and if that was truly their motive they would have improved comment moderation. It seems silly to me that these people think that the dislikes are a more effective bullying tool than putting whatever hurtful words you want in the comments section.", "This has actually been happening to me aswell, ever since i talked bad about the removall of the Dislike Bar and promoted the Dislike addon.", "New Spiderman movie will reveal there is a better universe than this one.", "Yeah government is on their side", "Innovation will 100% happen. But it'll take time.\n\nI think you underestimate the laziness and apathy of the swarm.\n\nThough I will concede, the day YouTube prevents ad blockers from working, the traffic to the site will tank.", "They have deleted 4 of my reviews from the PlayStore already, fuck YouTube.", "In the United States the fine for false advertising varies by State, but IIRC it's somewhere around $2,500. So while you can say that TECHNICALLY it's against the law, it's really not, you just have to pay a fee to be allowed to lie.", "I actually just checked, and my comments are being removed too, since sept 24.", ">It's honestly unchecked, unmitigated greed, not the economic system. \n>\n\nThe economic system necessitates greed to survive?????", "Searching for something on Reddit is extremely difficult", "Looks like we lost Internet.", "> They don't make these changes for games, they make them for politics\n\nYeah, that's what OP means. They're targeting Gamers, the most oppressed minority.", "https://twitter.com/YouTube/status/1466467199024078850/hidden", "So YouTube is censoring people expressing their displeasure with YouTube censoring people expressing their displeasure? Gosh, I'm shocked.", ">How am I meant to know if this thing I'm buying is a good product?\n\nYup, you aren't. All this BS VoTe WiTh Ur WaLLeT kind of talk you constantly see? Yeah none of that ever existed on the large scale. Now they are ruining it on the small scale by making it harder to meaningfully tell what is good and what is trash.", "I've already disabled shorts with Vanced", "So to be clear, OP's sarcastic bon mot is an insightful and well crafted argument but mine is a basic scrawl by an illiterate monkey. That's your world view.", "The fuck you talking about? Where in my comment did I even state I delete reviews? Get off reddit and go get some air you drama queen", "I mean you're not wrong, but don't talk like you're any different.", "SEO is not an extreme. It’s probably the most prevalent and valuable form of marketing today.\n\nWhich goes to show just how little you actually know about marketing.", "We need to use secret code for sarcasm so ai won't recognize it.\n\nI love new YouTube feature. I love it like cats love dogs, I need it like 5th wheel in my car. World wouldn't be the same without it, developers cried (out of happiness ofc) when were reading technical specifications.", "This censorship started earlier in the last decade under the guise of protecting families of tragic events from negative comments. Famously that sandy hook school shooting had a lot and I MEAN A LOT of holes in it. People questioned the official narrative too much. It was also clearly an attempt at gun control. I remember a lady said she lost her daughter and got on TV and started fake crying about guns. Like ma’am, are you sad your daughter died or what? Why are you on TV right now? Remember Robbie Parker laughing? Gene Rosen the school bus driver who was rehearsing his lines? The inept coroner? The censorship following those events led to where we are. Remember, they chip away at freedoms little by little until bam.", "And when Y'allQueda without jobs spends all day posting Nazi appreciation racism to every sub? What then? When every page is the Gravy Seals talking about taking back the capital when Trump loses next election? Etc.\n\nLetting people say literally anything on a platform that you're providing(and paying for) is not the answer. Forcing it via law even less so. \n\nIt IS a major problem, but a free for all won't fix it.", ">So you still try to do it. Shame on you.\n\nThe people who are going to damn you if you do and damn you if you don't. \n\nCheckmate you did good! Now put your legs up and take the afternoon off.", "That's because everyone who gives even one starred rating (doesn't need to be a written review) on Google maps when prompted is included in that pool.", "So youtube is reddit now?", "🎶 Everything is awesome! 🎶", "Dont tell Ludwig PepeLaugh", "could've said something worse in another comment that did get deleted, and now he's pushing this narrative to spark outrage and get more views\n\ni 'member back in the youtube rewind days someone accused youtube of deleting all their comments on the video. even numbered all their comments to keep count, but if you searched the comments they were still publicly visible and the guy just had his comment sorting set so that he couldn't see his own comments because they were pushed off the page by other comments. \n\nmost of the time this type of thing is just people not understanding what they're seeing and instantly jumping to the worst conclusion", "I’m a chef and yelp and google offer my restaurants payement options and dispute options for removing bad reviews or hiding them. We hate those platforms and are basically coerced into using their services because they put your business up regardless of membership. Fuck all these social media companies", "Execs saw how profitable fb's disinformation campaign was and how little they were punished, and now want a slice.", "And some of them ARE doing so. Apparently Patreon income is much more consistent (as it is fans actively supporting the content creator rather than relying on clicks, so I wouldn't be hugely surprised if we move in to a world where more content creator compensation is like twitch. I like a video, I give bits.", "Unsuscribe from EVERYTHING. Give no likes on youtube and use adblock. Hurt creators and force them to leave youtube or force youtube to change. Any other options?", "Yeah YT saying they are doing this to protect the content creators is just pure PR. Like they really care. They mostly care about is making the big corporations feel comfy on their platform. The comments are going to change in one way or the other. I can't imagine it staying the same with their current approach.", "Maybe english isn't your first language but there is a big difference between these two things:\n\n\"The dealership removed my review\" and\n\"The dealership had my review removed\"\n\nThe first implies that the dealership did it themselves. The second implies that it was removed through some process. You're basically changing the wording of what I said to fit your narrative.", "/r/im14andthisisdeep", "I mean the screenshot thing is completely valid. He proved that he can see them and then they are gone so all he has to do is provide time stamps for the comment history before the delete occurs and then afterwards. It may be malicious but that was a poorly thought out joke response.", "Removing the dislike number made the like number meaningless. \n\nMight as well remove the like number as well.", "Use firefox + ublock origin plugin and it blocks all ads. On android use newpipe. No more need for premium.", "I gave them a 2* with honest reviews a few days ago but haven't looked into it's removal. \n\nI also look at 2 star reviews, because 1* are often more manic and sometimes more user error...", "What do you feel you can't say?", "it's been an issue for at least around this past summer but people are just noticing it now because they think youtube are doing it manually. \n\nthey could of course be doing it manually now but it was just an error back then", "I went back to college at 28, lol. And yeah I was the lead tech at an IT/communications firm and I hired most of my own techs. That's a management position but I didn't sit in an office all day, I was out in the field working while managing several different crews. You probably didn't think of this because you tend to assume everything and don't seem to have much worldly experience, but a lot of people who work for a living wear many different hats at work.\n\nAnd yes I was an alcoholic - I've been sober now for several years, which has absolutely no relevance to this discussion whatsoever. You can criticize my life all you want but at the end of the day you'll still be wrong in this thread. It's pretty clear that you came here to talk shit so I'm done with this conversation.", "Shit i made my money on those loans, so...", "This is a good reason not to trust reviews anyway. Removing bad reviews and dislikes is a shitty practice but there are other ways that shit like this becomes in accurate. I have heard stories of people being told to give positive reviews from their employees.", "The star average on amazon is literally useless unless there are thousands of reviews. Always read some of the negative reviews and some of the positive. If the positive reviews are short broken English sentences, and the negative reviews are all thoughtful reviews about why the product sucks, you can be positive it sucks. \n\nBeware anything with under 100 reviews, basically everyone just buys 50-100 4-5 star reviews these days.", "What like an electric company? How so? Seems like no one requires YouTube to live like they might water or electricity.", "lol “clean coal”\n\nYou’re a cartoon.", "You might be right.", "This is a bandaid for a gaping wound.", "More engagement due to less ability to filter out bad content resulting in potentially more time spent on the platform?\n\nIt just leaves them open for people to leave rather than just be frustrated - but there's very little alternative to YouTube.", "I just checked by doing what he did, and it's exactly the same for me as it was in this video.", ">Brick and mortar chains stock shit at high prices, presumably because they can't compete with eBay/Amazon etcetera.\n\nOkay I'm not sure how it is in other markets, but I sell cameras, and we are DEFINITELY forced into parity pricing with Amazon. Any legitimate Amazon seller will not have lower pricing than our brick and mortar store. And if they do, we match it.\n\nIn fact, for black Friday the Zoom H1N was 3 dollars cheaper in our store than Amazon's sale price. Our memory cards are sometimes cheaper too.\n\nThe only Amazon sellers who beat our price are quasi-scammers like CenterDrone and MapleLeafPhoto.\n\nMy 2 cents.", "Youtube smells like fascism spirit.", "Isn’t YouTube owned by Google? Is Google the one making these decisions?", "Once the network late night shows started trending, with abysmal views, everyone knew the rig was in.", "Won't work for long. They are going to phase out the API.", "> Videos can be directly hosted by Reddit now so we don't have to be stuck using YouTube.\n\nYou're absolutely kidding yourself if you think Reddit can handle even 0.001% of the traffic that YouTube has a on a daily basis.", "I don't think there's a bigger disconnect between a company and its userbase than with youtube", "It will just dissolve in few months. They will add some new exciting functionality, start pushing more shorts, manipulate a little bit (like they are already doing with removing dislikes) and it will just be forgotten. I remember when there was a lot of lamenting about removing five stars and changing the layout, rottentomatoes, userbenchmark.. This screaming and hustling changed nothing.", "Who gives a shit", "Google maps is messing up big time for me right now. Perhaps Google is having server issues", "Just tried it myself and I had the same result.", "We're all just going to leave cranky comments about it here and not a single fucking thing will change.", "It doesn't?", "Or credit card, so you can charge it back regardless of the return policy.", "This change wasn't to protect smaller channels against vote brigading, as YT claims. It's to protect larger brands against legitimate backlash.\n\nYouTube doesn't care about you, the viewer. It cares about them, their actual paying customers.", "I think this is part of some sort of action done in order to prevent lawsuits.", "YouTube saw the success of the Facebook algorithm and is now trying to copy it. The problem is that when you stop community ranking only the videos that have the most consumer staying power are promoted and unfortunately part of the human condition makes us pay more attention to vitriol or emotional triggering content.\n\n\n\nIn the short term YouTube gets fanatical customers which is good for them. Long term it degrades a informed civil society which leads quickly to civil unrest and a greater possibility of the rich to start a war to maintain their control.", "Alright world, we need a youtube alternative. Let's work together on this shit.", "As someone who legitimately has all 5 star reviews for my business (only about 20 though) this is worrisome. I pride myself on my service and have asked most clients to leave reviews on Google as I had more faith in them than Facebook or Zillow. Guess I need to re-evaluate. \n\nIf everyone is great, no one is.", "reading peoples comments on any youtube controversy feels like i'm browsing /r/conspiracy now", "Could always be a video geared towards children, involving children. Comments are always turned off in those.", "And what service could that be? Nothing can compete", "Capitalism incentivizes greed. Thats the problem. Its not that humans are coming in with their imperfections and messing up the beautiful capitalist system, its because the system itself is fundamentally flawed. Its because greed is basically the only actual principle of the system. Its a system built around greed where you just hope everything else falls into place around it. Thats of course not to say any other system doesn't have flaws, but its all about incentives. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nIts also incredibly dishonest to lump all economic systems into the same bucket. Saying that all systems is prone to abuse is laughable when you are including capitalism, the system where literally the entire point is abuse. When you look at factors like human happiness, equality, etc, etc.... these are not explicit goals or incentives under capitalism. These are things that sometimes are just happy little accidents and often times need to be forcefully governed. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nGreed can sink any ship. The problem is when you are comparing the SS Greed itself to all the other ships. Can money and human greed potentially corrupt any system? Yeah obviously it can. Its just incredibly dishonest compare a fleet of diverse ships and other vessels to the boat that literally is powered by greed.", "What if everyone just decided to switch the two buttons around? \nJust use the like bar for dislikes to say fuck you youtube", "Dude, I'm not American and there are some deep cultural differences between America and me, but historically the US is much better than most countries at allowing people to say whatever they like. You're just wrong. You get to say that and believe it, and nothing is going to happen to you, and you won't be jailed.", "I'm in this boat right now. Shop has 5* reviews. All glowing. They've had my car for a month and a half. Never have reached out to me on their own to let me know what's going on and continually just blow me off. I'll be leaving a negative review. Wonder if it will be taken off.", "Honestly, I think it might be unrelated to the dislike criticism. \n\nI noticed yesterday that all of my comments are getting deleted as well, regardless of what I say in the video or on what video. I haven't made any comments on youtube for at least a month before then, and they were positive comments at that.\n\nSo I think there is some kind of bug going on rather than malice. The mods may want to flag this as possibly misleading.", "What's wrong with Vimeo?", "That's still a bad change.\n\nYouTube is so much worse for quick tutorials now because I can't quickly see if a video is full of shit.\n\nSeeing the ratio of people who dislike a video is really important to the platform. I'm wondering if a competitor will finally emerge due to this change.", "It's been that way for a long time. YouTube has been more focused on protecting the big companies longer than it was just a place to upload and stream videos.", "Huh, I just checked, and yep, mine has been removed! You would have thought they would just hide them instead of deleting them so nobody would know that they are doing it as easily.", "That sucks about the deleting of comments and stuff but can someone tell this guy that in today's world \"...\" implies he's being sarcastic", "Very reddit-esque", "Don't support big tech and their political agendas. There's a reason why they love Democrats.", "D", "I never thought I'd say this...\n\nI might use Bing", "Gain large audience sell out to corporations for as much money as humanly possible. This is the blueprint for startups, its not inherently bad but that's what the plan always was.", "I think thats the business model now. Pay to remove bad reviews.", "Yet you also talked about how useless a degree is in another post... Bye.", "Google is being specially EVIL lately, good thing they changed their motto long ago.", "I doubt this will go down well, but this is what y'all asked for. \n\nYoutube / twitter / etc all operated as platforms which didn't editorialise their content. As such they gave a platform for content that people found objectionable. \n\n\"Take it down!\" the people screamed. \"We can't\" came the response. \"If we accept liability for one piece we have to accept liability for everything. We aren't editors, and aren't setup that way\"\n\n\"Take it down!\" the people screamed and screamed, and so these companies geared themselves to act as content police. \n\n...and they liked it.", "Not to be rude but this isn't a very smart take. I use adblock for my own reasons, but using it for YouTube just to hurt their profits while still using YouTube yourself doesn't really add up. Especially when you are definitely hurting the content creators WAY more. And it's also not their fault and not fair to just say \"well too bad stop being a content creator\".", "A ton of brands got wiped from Amazon for fake reviews back in September, and guess what? Most of them are back with the same e-waste garbage products, and new fake reviews, trading under a different name.\n\nIt's incredible how common it is. These days I try to avoid Amazon/Walmart/Bestbuy and anywhere with a 3rd party marketplace, and try to only buy recognizable brands.\n\nAlways sort review by most recent. Chances are the product with 3.5 star and 40 reviews will be better than the 4.7 star 500+ review because one has paid reviews that show up as verified purchase and the other has honest feedback.\n\nI used to review a lot on Amazon but recently they've started auto-modding my reviews, and it seems to catch negative reviews a hell of a lot more than positive ones. Impossible to prove a bias, but good reviews sell products, and amazon is in the interest of selling products", "RIP IMDB comments", "Aye, already am. Still, I preferred to pay for yt premium so that money would go to content creators. But, hopefully as revenue dries up, the smaller producers will move to better platforms.\n\nOr, alternatively, Google might one day decide to clean up shop and fire everyone who keeps damaging their products for short-term gain.", "If you think a corporation genuinely cares about BLM you’re a dupe. Have fun giving free advertising to a soulless mega corporation", "Don't you get it?\n\nOnly far right white supremacists complain.\n\nEveryone else is a victim and entitled to air grievance", "Depends of more people did it. Could be automatic.", "I get offered free products constantly in exchange for a five star review. None of their reviews can be trusted.\n\nI stopped shopping at Amazon 90% of the time. I only go there to find products, then buy them at Walmart, Target, Home Depot, etc.", "I wonder if sites like Yelp will surge in relevance again", "tbh? good. I think youtube should remove comments, and also likes, and also view counts, and also subscriptions, and ESPECIALLY video recommendations. let the comments and recommendations live on whatever site is linking to the video. use rss (which you control) instead of subscriptions (which youtube controls). de-social-mediafy the site, turn it back into a video host. and if that's not profitable, then nationalize it as a public service.", "I remember when they took comments/discussions off of IMDB. I spent 99% of my interneting commenting on movie discussion boards and then it was just gone. \n\nThankfully I found reddit but I still miss those forums.", "YouTube is great for watching official videos like trailers, music videos, clips from movies, etc.\n\nBut its basically garbage for indie creators and home movies.", "Woooooosh", "I don't know who this guy is on YouTube, but I want him narrating my life.", "Gamers only thing holding society together confirmed.", "Always used to sit through ads on youtube earlier because it was 'supporting the creators'. After they removed dislikes for good I decided it was time to remove ads for good on youtube as well.", "I work in marketing, genius. I have a degree in advertising and marketing. Don’t just assume you’re the smartest person in the thread and know more than everyone else because you feel the need to join the circlejerk.\n\nIf you can come up with a non-bullshit reason why SEO/SEM are inherently misleading and evil and the work of the devil, I’d love to hear it. All it does is give your stuff the best chance of being seen by people likely to engage with it. I can’t force you to engage with anything or click anything in particular. All I can do is make sure it’s easy to find my company’s listing for electronics repair when someone searches for “electronics repair” nearby. Again, whether you resort to keyword-spamming and whatever other bullshit to increase your site ranking is the choice of the individual managing the website.", "Well someone could post a comment that says 'upvote this comment if you disliked the video' that would be a quick workaround", "Damn this guy needs to be doing Coors Light or Dodge commercial voice overs.", "I love how the video narrator is pretending that it's cause he said \"You'll not even notice after a bit\" and not the \"Handjob\" comment afterwards.\n\nGee i wonder why a sexual reference got your comment banned.", "I got to the point that I'll look for a few reddit post about a product I want.", "Everyone know it’s bad. YouTube purposely did this to increase watch times and to help lead people down rabbit holes. \r \n\r \nImagine someone very naive watches some videos claiming the global warming is a hoax. Before they may have seen a disproportionate like/dislike ratio and clicked of. Now they will see 2-3k likes and no dislikes, think a lot of people agree with this nut job, and continue watching. Algorithm picks it up, slips in another video with hoax stuff, they watch it, and before long this naive individual is all in on fraudulent material. YouTube doesn’t care, watch time is up, ad revenue is high, the countries IQ slips a few more points, no problem!", "I can't see the number of dislikes, it's literally north korea!", "Reddit doesnt show downvotes either", "Could you expand on what makes those two quasi-scammers?", "Seriously with the B&M prices.\n\nI went to get my friend \"Throw Throw Burrito\" since they host party game nights and I figured itd be a good kid-friendly game so the little ones can be involved.\n\nAmazon had it for $20, but I figure I'll check my local game shop, I prefer to support local... $40....\n\nId have paid $25 at the local shop, maybe $30, I get it they have more overhead. But fucking DOUBLE the price? No.\n\nFucking MSRP from the actual site is $25, currently on sale for $20. Its not the first time Ive caught this shop doing that. And now I have to \"price check\" anything I may want to buy to see if theyre trying to rip me off.", "YouTube isn’t good anymore = society is fucked", "That brings joy to my heart. All their twitter posts seem to get spammed by dislike related comments.", "In the UK we have a consumer charity (Which) that review products, they review thousands of product. They clarify items as Which Best Buy and test stuff a wide range of factors. It may be useful to understand brands. It is paid subscription for the content but they invest it back in to campaigns to lobby government. I think one did include fake reviews.", "#uninstallYouTube\n#disableYouTube\n\nTime to find another video platform.", "this has nothing to do with dislike count comments\n\nthis is shadowban, it happen to me cause i spread real truth, they silence u cause of what you speak. reddit does the same thing.", "I know there's a lot of extensions out there trying to use the api that gets shut down in like a week. I hadn't heard of any attempts to create a new database to pull these ratios from. Looks like those folks have a good idea on how to accomplish this.", "It's the Wheel of Time free speech addition. \n\n\nWHILE (true) \n\n1. Some company creates a platform that allows users to create mostly unmoderated content\n2. Platform attracts millions of users\n3. Company purchased by large company \n4. Large company makes changes \n5. Users criticize changes on platform \n6. Company protects itself by removing criticism \n7. Users realize there's quite a few things they're no longer permitted to say and leave platform for new smaller, more open platform... (GOTO: Step 2)", "I really like youtube vanced.", "Ngl these days i just google \"thing-i-need reddit\". If corporations are astro turfing reddit im boned.", "Now you have to watch the entire video to see if its bad information, instead of knowing right of the bat with the like/dislike ratio. So watch time increases and ad revenue also increases. Furthermore watching more of the video adds to your 'engagement and you are more likely to see similar content in the future. Especially troubling for videos that spew misinformation, I think we are going to see naive individuals subconsciously lead to rabbit holes thanks to this.", "I wonder if people can get Congress to do something about the massive misinformation campaign Google is running. This theoretically should be something the democrats and republicans can agree is bad. Oh who am I kidding? One side will agree with it wholeheartedly because the other side opposes it.", "Their \"No comments on kid videos\" is cool in theory, but lately stuff that isn't related to kids is listed as \"Kid videos\".", "I'm having a hard time believing this. Not because it seems like the sort of thing they wouldn't do. \n\n\nBut because this would require an active role in managing things on YouTube and not just having a bot run rampant with a shaky understanding of it's purpose.\n\nI always imagine the YouTube bots like those failed RoboCop prototypes.", "We‘re at a point where we have to realize that everything online is manufactured. We can‘t be really sure anymore if 2000upvotes really mean that 2000 real people like that post. \n‚trending‘ is also a lie. Someone might have paid for a spot on the trending page so it looks like everyone is discussing/liking that company. \n\nEven worse for google maps, yelp, playstore or other ratings like on Amazon. 5 star reviews can be fake and bad ones might have been deleted.", "Tf? So a sexual comment won’t get banned, but because of it, all other comments, even if positive, should be? Get your head out of your ass", "In our very capital-focused form of capitalism, anything that saves even the smallest fraction of a penny will be done.", "Yeah this isn’t legal. This is a privately owned media platform making adjustments to ensure advertising and profits continue. \n\nYour not entitled to make money on YouTube. We can disagree with what’s happening, but aside from voting with your wallet, no dice.", "I've been having this problem to, but it's way more selective and with really benign comments...\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00dIBvdVYbI", "I used Premium because you could play videos on your phone without having the screen up all the time. Made it great to play music at work. But no more.", "I'm not sure could you even call it alternative media... It was a platform. \nAs the structure got built then corporations came to abuse it.", "When he said $5 I was unsure but then he re-contextualized it as only twenty quarters and I was sold.", "Ten years ago, this would be an issue.\n\nNowadays, Reddit is hosted on AWS. I'll make the assumption that, since Reddit is already hosting video, that they are probably using AWS's CloudFront for their CDN. If so, Reddit's video hosting throughput capability could scale by a factor of 1000x in seconds to minutes should the need arise and it'd be nbd (besides the sudden cost increase).\n\nReddit isn't some podunk little website running on a Pentium 2 somewhere in a closet that everyone forgot the physical location of.\n\nThere's a database with caching services, at least three different AMI's for front ends (www.reddit.com, old.reddit.com, new.reddit.com), probably an AMI for rest requests and apps, caching for all those, S3 for all the blob content (photos and videos hosted by Reddit), and most definitely a CDN which stores cached copies of everything in a place physically local to users. (CloudFront may have servers inside your ISP datacenters). For each of those AMIs, there multiple VMs running clones of the AMI and load balancer which directs requests from the cache servers to the most available VM. If all are above a certain CPU threshold, more VMs are automatically spun up with whichever AMI and automatically terminated when underutilized to reduce unnecessary costs.\n\nThis is standard procedure for sites with large userbases.\n\nIt not a matter of if they CAN scale up to YouTube scale, it's a matter of if they want to pay for it. And considering that they'd be taking out a competitor and taking their revenue, they'd probably be fairly okay with it and just cut the check.\n\nEdit: Definitions...\n\nAMI: Amazon Machine Image. A template for setting up VMs.\n\nCDN: Content Delivery Network. Stores copies of stuff in places local to users rather than local to the host.\n\nVM: A virtual server. Think like running a computer within a computer. Amazon charges a few cents per minute to run Linux machines. Amazon has an automated system for creating and terminating VMs on demand (this is a simplification, you can write code to spin up/down VMs).", "Oh no haha you think this will damage their longterm gain? Yeah there are some of us who will look t this and get mad and sad and maybe even stop using the platform, but everyday hundreds of thousands of new people (kids) are getting access to the platform and they have never experienced what 'the good days' were. So they will just simply accept it as the norm. Slowly and slowly, as with all things, the populace is losing control of the narrative. Eventually it'll just be content farms and advertisers running the entire platform.", "I don't know, sometimes if it walks like a duck it's a duck. The timing of this is kinda ludicrous. I will believe and support this creator until we have proof otherwise.", "Everyone know it’s bad. YouTube purposely did this to increase watch times and to help lead people down rabbit holes. \r \n\r \nImagine someone very naive watches some videos claiming the global warming is a hoax. Before they may have seen a disproportionate like/dislike ratio and clicked of. Now they will see 2-3k likes and no dislikes, think a lot of people agree with this nut job, and continue watching. Algorithm picks it up, slips in another video with hoax stuff, they watch it, and before long this naive individual is all in on fraudulent material. YouTube doesn’t care, watch time is up, ad revenue is high, the countries IQ slips a few more points, no problem!", "It doesn’t make sense to you because it’s not even the truth. It’s nothing to do with money. It’s about propaganda and controlling narratives. They don’t want you to see multiple opinions on a topic. You will be assigned an opinion now. Enjoy.", "You can still moderate misinformation and radicalization while allowing for free speech.\n\nThere will probably be a community moderated p2p video sharing platform in the near future. Blockchain allows for that kind of technology.", "What are your recommendations for finding good reviews?", "you can blame the people who review bomb stuff like this. So they ruin the whole integrity of the system.", "I got an offer like that probably 5yrs ago when I bought a cheap drone. $20 gift card if you leave a review, didn't even have to be positive! I gave them 3 stars because it was an okay product, well anyway, Amazon banned me from leaving reviews after that.\n\nLike.. How am I supposed to know that the business card the seller included with the product is against their own TOS?", "Republicans love the disinformation as it plays right to their base", "You bastard, I had a 10 year streak going", "Oh no, you mean users legitimately disliked the product because of a horrible change made to it that made it less desirable? Better call it \"REVIEW BOMBING\" in order to explain why we won't let them voice their opinions.", "Imagine thinking that an App Store review affects YouTube in any way. Lmao might as well go yell at the ocean", "Time to put out some very flawed first aid videos", "How this scum isnt illegal is baffling.\n\nWe need laws for this. These companies have too much power.", "You’re here to justify your sociopathy.", "the lllllllliberals want to change youtube to they/themtube", "You mean we can't trust corporations to be a true arbiter and defender of free speech?! Say it ain't so! Next you'll tell me they exploit their \"content creators\" by offering progressively worse deals.\n\nI refuse to believe it, as capitalism is the best system to allocate resources.", "I have some news…", "Youtube is a platform that funds itself from advertisements of various companies. If enough of those companies paying you millions a year in advertisement costs comes to you and says \"hey we want the dislike on our videos removed its hurting our sales\" then Youtube will do just that.", "Lol totally removed the dislike button for Christmas inc", "Seems like that's coming to an end. For real.", "Video games are a larger industry than film. When GTAV was released rockstar made $1 billion from preorders alone.", "r/LostRedditors", "Amazon already does this to some extent.", "Reddit isn't immune either. Upvotes can be bought. Comments are fake. There are ads disguised as regular people posting a pic of a dog wearing a raincoat which always has the same top comments asking about a picture frame product. There is so much manipulation it's scary.", "I mean Yelp does offer management tools to edit and remove reviews to businesses. We had it for the restaurant I used to work at.", "You mean Republicans", "Most game stores I've been to (a bunch) don't really go over msrp, that seems like a pretty bad shop. Most of their money is made from events, tcg, and war gaming.", "YouTube Premium is so nice. I know questioning Vanced might be stupid considering I'm subscribed to YouTube, but is Vanced secure? I don't mind the ads, I just want downloads and to be able to turn off the display and still listen.", "We’re your reviews negatively constructive or plain up toxic ?", "> advertising \n\nModern advertising has grown more and more hostile. The idea now, and it's openly accepted, is how does one manipulate another person into doing a specific thing or thinking a specific way. In fact, manipulation is such a central theme, it's necessary to reduce the tools that consumers have in navigating the landscape, thereby making us easier to manipulate. Advertising does this, but other media does this as well, news media and even social media stars. Part of the issue is that at a certain point, we a no longer individuals to them, we are an amorphous group - making it easier to treat inhumanely.", "Even reddit is like this. If you use revedit you can see the number of perfectly legitimate comments that are removed by moderators trying to control the discussion.\n\nI will occasionally check on my account user page and its maddening the sort of opinions that are censored on this site, but the admins don't care, and also mod some of the bigger subreddits too.\n\nIt's part of why I feel like these big social media companies need to be treated as a public square, and need to be regulated.\n\nThey have too much control over discourse.", "blue pill", "To protect big corps", "Highly, highly disturbing to see", "That's neither what I wrote nor what I implied. Economic systems are necessary to facilitate commerce, period. In theoretical stages, they all work well. But in practice, innate human greediness often exploits vulnerabilities in any system, leading to inequality and abuse.", "Where is the corresponding Reddit post for that? I can’t find it anymore and i suspect it’s been scrubbed from here", "It's also whackjobs like conspiracy theorists because impressionable people won't critically think about the video they're watching. Whereas before a massive amount of dislikes might cue the viewer in that this whole video is bullshit. This just seems like YouTube is taking a lesson from Facebook and furthering the misinformation industry.", "This is a good thing for YouTube not a bad thing.\n\nIn the old system, you look for a tutorial, find one with lots of likes and few dislikes, watch it, solve your problem and leave YouTube.\n\nThat's unacceptable for them. Every decision they make is to maximize watch time. Now the process is: search for tutorial, watch 5 shitty ones which don't solve your problem, finally find a good one and move on.\n\nFrom YouTube's perspective this is great, total watch time went up, ads played went up, more money in their pockets.", "And always buy samples before any quantity. I found some good 12v circulator pumps for very little money, but had to send back about 5 different terrible pumps before finding a good model that holds up. Take advantage of Amazon's free return policy.\n\nAnd once you find an item that works among all the China crap on Amazon, you can often source a quantity from somewhere like AliExpress for quite a bit less. $25 TE091 pumps on Amazon are $12 on Ali, but I wouldn't take the risk of buying them there first.", "Because their direct competition (TikTok) doesn't have dislikes either and so many creators tend to post more there cause they wanna shield themselves from toxicity (aka any form of negative Feedback whatsoever). \nEdit: and as many have said: advertisers", "Dunno about 1 penny but certainly a trillion of them.", "That'll teach that automated bot. I'm sure it will ruin its whole day.", "Is it vanced tube on the play store? Or do you just get the apk?", "What has this world become", "But didn't YouTube essentially count likes and dislikes as the same thing, i.e. user interaction?", "I can't think of a good reason to be upset about this. I usually watch YouTube on my TV.", "This is what I was thinking. Like on topics I'm fairly knowledgeable about: Tech stuff, I can tell not to do stupid shit like turning off my paging file to speed up windows or running some random guys script for the functionality that is built into the os already.\n\nCould I tell that if I wasn't technical though?\n\nI'm just thinking, how am I supposed to really know if that advice on that car part is reasonable or if its going to leak or something.\n\nHow am I supposed to know if this sewing pattern is actually terrible.\n\nHow am I supposed to figure out things I don't already have a good grasp of.\n\nThe answer is not on youtube.", "> How am I meant to know if this thing I'm buying is a good product?\n\nYou aren't. Shut up and consume like Papa Amazon and Mama Google told you. \n\nJokes aside, this is a real issue which will only get worse before it has even a chance to get better.", "Can I ask how it’s different from Reddit? I’m not a huge YT user but never really used the like/dislike features. But looking at Reddit, it seems you similarly can’t see downvotes at all, just the total score.", "https://www.fakespot.com", "While that would be nice, we can't even get the U.S. government to agree that Internet service is a utility in 2021.", "Nah that would just be silly.\n\nOnly the ones who pay Google will have 5 stars.", "America/Europe fucked China raw for decades after ww2. Now we get fucked by them.", "Google would never allow something in the Play Store that allows circumventing Google Ads. \n\nInstalling [Vanced Manager] (https://vancedmanager.com) makes it really easy.", "> The idea for hiding it publicly is to disincentivise dislike brigading. If you can't see the effect of your dislike campaign, most people simply won't bother doing it in the first place.\n\n\"Dislike campaigns\" are bullshit 95% of the time. It's usually just people on twitter going \"hey, look at this bullshit\", then people go to youtube, watch the video, see that it's bullshit and leave a dislike.\n\nNobody told them to \"go there and leave a dislike!\".\n\nCompanies just spin it into \"a vicous attack\", so they don't have to admit that people dislike their product.", "But hey, lets put the misinformation covid links under an actual scientist saying factual information which aligns with government agency recommendations though.\n\nThat'll teach em.", "Amazon: Sort by newest\n\nGoogle: Read 3 star reviews\n\nYelp: Nah", "Ehh, people have been complaining in similar fashions about Facebook for over decade, and despite losing users more than ever, Facebook is still a behemoth with no true equivalent competitors. You can say maybe Twitter is Facebook's closest rival, but the platform is not identical. \n\nYouTube is doing this because they know any true alternative is at least a decade away from ever threatening their platform. Cashing it all in now.", "We all agree to move to pornhub then?", "Is that right?\n\nWhat if I told you that every job I’ve ever had since I graduated from college has been local humanitarian and non-profit, including two years of AmeriCorps service? Am I still a fucking sociopath, asshole?", "it is legal until section 230 is changed", "It really only caters to one type of user.\n\nIt also wont have a large amount of useful comments nor small creators I value.", "Man, I don't know what to tell you because I listen to video essays and shit all day long and run in to zero of the issues you described.\n\nThis is still a shit thing to do, but I have no idea what's causing your problems.", "I suck at finding anything on reddit, but here’s the video.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/vC5JnJD9KzY", "How does it affect you.", "Apk. \n\nhttps://vancedapp.com/\n\nIt's funny, I actually had a YouTube comment get ghost deleted like OP because I made a comment on a video telling somebody how to get Youtube Vanced. Lol", "This just gives me more incentive to use ad blocks", "Redditor LRonPaul2012: \"the whole idea of free market forces is that corporations will be motivated to be good based on reputation alone, which assumes that reputation can't be falsified.\"", "Which advertiser do they give a fuck about in your opinion, if not the most profitable entertainment industry on the planet?", "The more people that use it, the better it will be - it will work perfectly until Dec 13, then after that they will rely on archived dislikes, sample ratios from their own users, and views to likes ratios.\n\nSo share it far and wide.", "TF YouTube. Monopolies should not exist. Someone create something better state please", ">This is a good thing for YouTube not a bad thing. \n> \n>In the old system, you look for a tutorial, find one with lots of likes and few dislikes, watch it, solve your problem and leave YouTube.\n\nAside from being inaccurate (I would never leave youtube, I would browse youtube longer, looking for a high quality video), this is shortsighted thinking.\n\nWhen people repeatedly follow YouTube tutorials that don't work, and realize that there's no real way to vet the process before following the steps, they will stop using Youtube for these kind of videos entirely. Over the course of years, a good chunk of people will subconsciously or consciously learn that YouTube is not a viable option for tutorials and how-tos.", "Decentralization or bust.", "On this note, do you or anyone else know of a review site that doesn't do this bullshit?", "10/10 would recomend Vanced", "If you dont think corporations controlling public discourse is seriously harmful and dystopian, I don't know what to say to you.\n\nYou think maturity is simply pretending nothing bothers you and no problems exist. In reality is hiding.", "Find me a way to block ads on YouTube on my ipad/Firestick.", "r/peoplewhospeakonlyinmemesbecausetheyreintellectuallylazycowards", "No that's not what I mean. I'm saying things like review bombing tlou2 , people carrying out review bombing on new channels etc. Not specifically review bombing youtube itself but the culture around it. Again I'm against yt removing dislike button", "Buzz buzz", "Assuming that generating more comments was the goal from the start, this is possibly the best explanation I've heard for why dislikes are hidden.", "That isn't Yelp's game. They stole it from the BBB.\n\n\nThe only difference is the BBB dosen't go out looking for marks.", "when are we migrating to VIMEO?", "Even non-economic systems rely on some form of administration. People looking to exploit a system's weakness end up in positions where they can line their own pockets at the expense of others. Broken.\n\nI'm not convinced greed per se is a necessary ingredient. It IS the common denominator of all failed systems though I genuinely see the benefits of all the systems, so I'm no die-hard crony capitalist. We could disagree until both of us are dead, but I really appreciate the conversational tone. It's refreshing to dialogue and not instantly be called an idiot. Thank you!", "Year remember VOAT? Pass.", "See also: Yahoo comments getting removed during the election and never coming back.", "Just canceled my YouTube red premium subscription and left a 1 star review for YouTube on the Google play store due to the removal of the dislike function", "Why do all these comments sound like one of those commercials trying to protect elderly people against internet scams", "This keeps happening to me!! My Google reviews get removed sometimes, only the really negative ones.", "Google \"Vanced Manager\" and install it on your phone if you have an Android.", "Well I can tell you from experience that a common practice in the tech industry is to test a new change out on some percent of users for some period of time (several weeks maybe) and then compare metrics across people with and without the change. \n\nThen if the metrics looks good they give the change to everyone. This common practice absolutely does encourage changes that are good in the short term but bad in the long term.", "It sorta is but I've seen that almost every shadow banned account on the modqueue has been a spam bot. They just have the same first_lastname type username and just steal comments from other commenters on a post. \n\nI just had to remove a bunch today actually. It fucking sucks when a regular user gets shadow banned because they have no idea. If the account looks real I comment with how they can get it fixed. \n\n\nSubs would be overwhelmed with more bots if the admins didn't have this ability", "I get every comment ghost deleted. \n\nTell the content creator he forgot to mention x? Gone from all public viewing but still there when I login with the account that posted it.\n\nHaving a normal conversation? Ghost deleted because I guess I wasn't...idk...happy enough?\n\nYoutube giving channels the ability to have nazi-like dictatorship to control what you are allowed to say in their comment section (you know, aside from stuff that actually violates the tos...) is imo worse than the dislike removal.", "Mods flagging this as \"YouTube drama\" is so immature", "This is what you all wanted. Everyone has been screaming for more censorship. \n\n> \"Facebook won't do enough to protect us from different opinions!\" \n> \n> \"Youtube keeps showing me scary videos that I don't agree with!\" \n\nWell now we have it. Multinational corporations now control everything we're exposed to. Any criticism that goes against their agenda will be censored. People will be manipulated and not even be aware of it.\n\nCongratulations you ignorant assholes. You got what you wanted and you've fucked us all.", "[This Chrome plugin that restores the dislike count already has more than 200,000 users!](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi/related)", "Peertube is close but you can't just watch all the videos without hosting, or pay for all access as far as I'm aware.\n\nFor mass adoption it needs to have a vast free library. They could offer that to people that host content, which, Peertube does. But they also need to offer bitrate limited free viewing, and a plan where people can just pay a few bucks a month for all-access.\n\n\nHosters need to be rewarded, and giving the revenue from the premium plan to hosters, in exchange for them also serving free users would be really successful in my mind.\n\nThis kind of paid, decentralized platform is only recently practical with the advent of blockchain, so I expect to see some FOSS alternatives to YouTube popping up soon.\n\nEdit: I forgot, the all-important content creators also need a chunk of the pie, so paying them in the platforms crypto based on views would be necessary. This would incentivize early adopter creators based on the belief the platform will grow. And late adopters would get paid well from having a large audience. Sponsors would also function similar to YouTube.\n\nIf I had the skill to develop a platform like this, I would bet my house on it being successful.", "Because there are no competitors. It's a monopoly. \n\nVideo hosting is unbelievably expensive. There's about 20 companies on the planet that could even afford to host a video library of this scope, and none of them want to get into a space that is dominated so heavily by an established company.", "I was agreeing with you lol\n\nI work in marketing too. The “dude” I was referring to was the guy you replied to. \n\nI asked what’s misleading about SEO. The answer is nothing.", "I switched early this year and it’s been totally fine. There’s been maybe a few searches I had to use Google for, but you can just type g! At the beginning of the search for it to do it automatically from DDG.", "Hijacking this to also let people know, if you have ublock origin, any \"Free with ads movie\" on YouTube becomes a free movie.", "I copied the comment from the first you tube video into the comments of my most popular video that gets a few thousand views every month. \nIF you want to copy it to yours, find it here: \n\nYoutube's oldest video \"Me at the Zoo\" description change ( [https://youtu.be/jNQXAC9IVRw](https://youtu.be/jNQXAC9IVRw)", "If you do this, try to support your favorite creators in other ways like on Patreon etc.", "This is the same mindset for apartments I feel like. You see a lot of good reviews and some of the negative ones I swear get deleted.", "Another really annoying thing is Amazon allows sellers to change the product without wiping the reviews. I've seen so many things with good reviews and a scroll down to see that the reviews are all for a completely different product", "He loved big brother.", "Let's just delete history :)", "> Back in the day when YT started it was a fun alternative to mainstream media.\n\nThis is still true... which is why the change is SO FRUSTRATING.\n\nThere's content on that site that could never have been made on TV. Some of the science and engineering content in particular is of astounding quality compared to TV shows. Not necessarily astounding production value... but I don't believe that's the most important thing.\n\nThis is why I care each time youtube makes their website more hostile towards creators and viewers.", "Do you think our unaccountable corporate overlords will be kinder than our unaccountable government overlords?", "Whether you like YouTube's new system or not, it is beyond obvious that the old system was easily abused (like many of YouTube's moderation features) and needed change. \n\nThe new system is garbage, the old system is garbage. Our only reasonable expectation is that YouTube will do whatever makes the most money, which is to say, whatever keeps users engaged and watching. Dislikes is a turn off for videos that may generate ad revenue, it's as simple as that.", "Vimeo, Dtube, Dailymotion?", "It was the handjob keyword nothing to do with downvoting. This has been happening for at least six months to me. If you leave anything negative it can happen. You can get around it by using images as fonts. There are websites that will generate the fonts for you and you can post it in. Then you won't get your messages deleted and people can still read them", "What's a bigger bummer is how many people can't see youtube/tech/social-media as being run and developed by a company entirely dependent on shareholders and advertisements. It's weird how so many people can't see beyond the pale.", "Buy from places with a return policy, use a credit card, and watch reviews on YouTube. Written reviews are also good but with more niche products sometimes the reviewer is full of shit or it's a bought review so being able to see the product function helps a lot.", "I literally couldn’t care less.", "> Which advertiser do they give a fuck about in your opinion, if not the most profitable entertainment industry on the planet?\n\nnone, they make so much money from EVERY advertiser worldwide that they don't have to cater to anyone", "I can't comment on what proportion of dislike brigades are actual hate mobs, I have no numbers for that.\n\nBut from what I have heard from smaller creators, this sort of dislike and harass brigade thing does happen sometimes.\n\nThat said, I agree it's still no justification for removing public dislikes. Small creators always had the option to remove public whatever on their stuff anyway if they want.", "You were praising the reboot? I thought it was bad. The guys playing speedrunners looked like they'd never played a game before.", "Protecting pussies from the world", "Amazon removed my review that complained about the attempted bribery by the seller and wouldn't allow any variation further.", "> When GTAV was released rockstar made $1 billion from preorders alone.\n\nyep, and YouTube makes 19.77 billion", "Lol I just went to the dailymotion website and under \"News\" they have a video from a year ago. It's so goddamn ridiculous how little competition youtube has, and none of it is actually competent! They are basically a monopoly and they are doing whatever they want unfortunately.", "> YouTube isn’t good anymore = society is fucked\n\nI'm guessing you failed the abstract and critical thinking challenge here?\n\nPerhaps if you considered it momentarily you would realize that the statement is in regards to people essentially putting themselves and others into manipulative, dishonest, self-promotion loops (on YouTube, and other platforms) that is indicative of an unhealthy society.\n\nIt's a symptom.\n\nEdit: A better way to put this might be that people are no longer being themselves. They are meeting fake expectations by presenting facades which forces other people to also only present facades because their real humanity isn't good enough. It's getting to the point where you cannot distinguish between what is real and what is fake. So you have to present a fake image of yourself because society expects that.\n\nAnd when we have to see and deal with reality, we suddenly view it under a terrible light because everything we've seen up till then has been fake and whitewashed. Which removes humanity and critical thinking from the equation.", "Ublock origin hasn't been blocking ads for me on youtube/twitch, any solutions?", "Bro this is some hardcore censorship right here", "> How's this place? 5 stars!\n\nAnd when everyone has 5 stars, no one has 5 stars.", "What ruins everything is when you create and maintain a society in which profit is valued over actual lives, and that typically only happens under capitalism, and now has us seeing people that cheer on the killing of other people over some property or some trinkets. \n \nThat's capitalism my friend. Your \"profit motive\" is a REQUIREMENT under capitalism. \n \nYou aren't going to fix these systemic issues by changing how we deal with money, capitalism itself pushes to the top and exalts greed, sociopathy, psychopathy, and all other manner of human ills any time they happen to improve the pile of gold some billionaire dragon is sitting on top of.", "Mainstream media has been taking some huge hits lately. \n\nI'm sure the things going on with twitter and youtube lately, are just a coincidence.", "I would too, but it presents a moral dilemma. I don't want to support YouTube with this change, but I and many others make our money off of YouTube and I don't want to hurt the creators, but I also don't want to support YouTube. Since I'm a youtuber myself I will probably keep supporting, but we'll see.", "Many economic systems do not exalt greed in the way capitalism does.", "It's almost like bombardment reviewing never works because of algorithms like this lol", "Nice", "Who can overtake YouTube as a platform? As far as competition, it's looking like we just bend over. Didn't think Google would get so corrupt when they started.", "Do it again, Record it, the message and its removal, and encourage others to do it too. Than compile all that, and context your local news station, they love to run shit like this. You won't likely stop Google from doing it, or yelp , but you will get those bad reviews and the location plastered all over the area, which is far more effective. \n\nThan, take that, the video, post it to one of the subreddits, like whatcpuldgowrong or something, try to get it to front page. Others will be encouraged to try it, than it becomes a bigger news story, which might make it to the big boys who could potentially do something about about it. \n\n\nWorst case scenario you waste all of ten minutes doing this.", "I think they're allowed to do whatever they want with your comments, even use them as advertising.", "My conspiracy theory is it's meant to trick old higher-ups in corporations that the ads are more effective than they actually are lol! Youtube just cares if corps buy more ad space so instead of making the advertising more effective it's easier to take out dislikes and just say \"wow look at all those likes, you're getting so much positive reception!\" And the old guy who doesn't understand the internet would fall for it and buy more ads lol", "\"You bought this for me\" -Bezos to his customers when he was boarding a rocket to space\n\nThese companies don't give one fuck about you or your opinions. They never will. And, if you criticize them, sometimes they'll call you a pedo.", "This is what all left wing social media companies do now. You've been cancelled. Politics has corrupted freedom, even in the most basic of forums, like an internet comment section. These are sad times we live in.", "Move to contentos. You get paid for content", "As it should be", "Way more than just corporate channels disable comments.", "The end works too! If I don’t get the proper result I’ll go ahead and try google", "On the YouTube mobile apps, Google has been tweaking the layout to make comments harder to access.", "Are there any examples of large monopoly on the internet being toppled by a smaller company that respects users more?", "Yes that is why his messages are getting deleted. It has nothing to do with the dislikes. Search on YouTube for \"disappearing comments\" this has been going on for a while. The weirdos who are part of an pro-male rights movement have a good video on how they were being targeted by the policy.", "> What’s misleading about that? \n \nYou are manipulating search engine results to try and put your product or service above where it would naturally end up, it's literally manipulation, holy shit are people really this ignorant even to the words they type?", "Everything is fine. Do not panic. All is doublegood with no negativity anywhere.", "Get vanced, it fulfills your requirements.", "I love the feature to skip the in-video-ads for raid/nordvpn/etc. that every second youtuber has nowadays.", "Sadly can't do that for iOS or apps on your smart TV. If I could find a way around ads for those I'd cancel.", "And I hope they do.\n\nBad stuff should get disliked. And public roasting happens with or without like/dislike ratios.\n\nI'm not arguing on behalf of YouTube. I think this is a stupid decision that will hurt people's ability to quickly judge whether a video of worth their time or not.\n\nOf course, YouTube wants people to watch as much video there as possible... so removing tools for users to make snap judgments to quit out or not watch a video helps their bottom line.\n\nI'm just saying the brigading thing on small channels is their claimed justification. It can be a real problem for some small creators, but we all know that rationale is disingenuous at best.", "Nothing is great forever. How sad.", "Irony: his stated example \"SEO\" is literally manipulating search engine results, even in his super cherry picked example it's manipulation, which is misleading by definition.", "if reddit isnt deleting negative comments or deleting the threads (yet), it's notably better than the others.", "They charge $10/day to use their open gaming space, but you get it back in store credit.\n\nWhich Im OK with, I get it, the game space is a pure loss to them. No product to sell, no revenue, its a pure service to the gamers. The $10 store credit purchase is a way to ensure youre supporting your play space.\n\nBut I mostly buy warhammer minis since they apaprently cant go over MSRP or they may lose their reseller privileges. Not that I play warhammer (I play infinity) but I like painting the minis.", "Boys it’s time to say goodbye to youtube and make something new based off all the best features of old youtube when franky filth was around and before eyedubs was a simp", "The average MSNBC, CNN Market, Reuters news or Bloomberg news video with a ton of dislikes was easily discernable as a puff story to manipulate the market. Stuff like \"Stocks rally behind this leader\". \n\nNow, who knows. You have to watch the video, read comments (i.e. engagement=$$$) to discern if the video is fact or opinion.", "Guys, they’re clearly deleting the comments because they don’t like the open criticism. But if you use literally ANY “bad words” in your comment/review/whatever, that’s against TOS and YouTube is fully within their rights to remove it. And if you ask them why they’re deleting comments, I’m sure that’s what they’d tell you. So if you’re going to criticize YouTube, do it in a way that they have no choice but to allow. Talk negatively all you want, but replace “this is a fucked to death pile of burning shit” with something more like “this is a screwed to death pile of burning feces.” Y’all feel me? Then if they start deleting your comments, they have no excuse to fall back on and you can make a REAL expose instead of getting mad at YouTube for deleting a comment talking about handjobs on a site who’s money is dependent on being portrayed as “kid friendly.” Use your brain, people.", "They've been waiting patiently to take over. YouTube but with boobs allowed. The greatest idea in history.", "I love how you marketing morons come in here and literally explain yourself why SEO is manipulative and STILL don't get it.", "I can count on one hand the number of communist countries where you could say that about communism. Lesser evil, dude.", "Have folks realized that 95% of the general pop, and probably a majority of youtube viewers, don't care about this?\n\nI'm not saying you're wrong, but i do hope all the folks posting about this know they're in an echo chamber that mostly just baffled anyone else who comes into contact with it.", "Good to know, thanks! Yeah I’ve only really bothered to use Google when I wanted to make sure I wasn’t missing something, and even then I noticed DDG was actually giving me pretty similar results, so there wasn’t much point in the end. Rooting for them honestly.", "I love how they're doing it for the creators but all the creators hate it. They say \"creators\" like how Republicans say \"small businesses\". They mean large media companies. They already tipped the whole platform in their favor, now they want them to be able to pump out shit without pushback", "There needs to be an alternative platform", "My favorite youtubers announce they're doing an ad, and change clothes for the duration so we can skip through and see when it's over because they're back in the clothes they were wearing before. I love that lol", "Gotta get one of them to leave a 1 star where they look batshit, like: \"walls were blue in store, I hate blue walls\" and mix in a couple 4 stars to look organic", "That and Parler were specifically founded to foster alt-right communities, it's no wonder they turned out like they did.", "Bruh you made me realise YouTube took down mine as well. Posting a new one, this is bs.", "Most mobile users don't have adblock and still watch youtube. I know vanced exists on android, but not iphone. Most people don't know vanced exists.", "lol their shittiness knows no bounds", "They never said it was only in America…", "It feels like you have you maintain eternal vigilance these days because absolutely everyone is trying to scam you.", "I cant wait until we have commercials that warn us about the horrors of a dirty toilet; narrated by the floating disembodied head of chris pratt", "People have told me their experiences with them. They pay for a new camera, but receive clearly second-hand kits. Or they'll be grey-market, so the warranties don't work up here in Canada (but they don't tell you about any of this first) I've also heard of some orders never arriving at all. Someone showed me his \"SanDisk\" Extreme Pro card, and the sticker art didn't match the real thing very well. It was also throwing errors in half the cameras I tried it in.\n\nBut sometimes ... people actually receive the thing they asked for with no problems! It's Russian Roulette.\n\nAll of us retailers have to pay roughly the same base cost to bring things up here, then we all apply our standard mark ups, yet somehow they price way under base? It sure is fishy.", "This is a nothing burger. This guy flamed a YouTube employee, then he's surprised he's shadow banned.\n\nIt's hilarious how proud he is of that \"What a hand job\" line.", "At least they can’t remove comments on Twitter", "Most people haven't caught onto the Better Business Bureau, so I dunno...", "I've had good luck with Fakespot, but I feel like it's only a matter of time before they get infiltrated.", "Hoo boi I bet google is really liking all this dirty laundry being brought to attention because they really just needed the money from companies to push out the smaller creators, the very ones this update is \"meant to protect.\"", "Stuff like this just makes me content with the idea of a comet coming destroy the planet.\n\nSure I and everyone I love will die but at least these fucking executive, politician, lobbying, arrogant fat cat cunts who try to augment our reality within an already rigged system.. purely to claw more & more for them & theirs... Are faced with a situation no amount of money, nepotism or greasy handshakes can wriggle them out of.\n\nThe great leveler. For the frist time they'll be like the rest of humanity pissing their pants and burning into smithereens in hellfire.\n\nWould be fucking glorious.", "Doesn't matter that you can't see the total score, you can see the net score as long as it's greater than zero, and you can see the ratio of upvotes to downvotes. Even if you can't see the absolute number of downvotes, you can still use voting to indicate whether or not a post is high quality or contains factual information. If you couldn't see the ratio or it gave you the absolute number of upvotes, it would be as useless as Youtube's.", ">its simple, give creators the option to keep or remove dislikes per video. \n\nThey answered this, they said that \"creators\" who choose to block dislikes will get bullied... Really, if that happens, users will go to more transparent creators and big media don't want that. The CNNs and MSNBCs used to get views in the low thousands, then YouTube gave them massive boosts using the excuse of fake news and now they're removing any chance of dissent", "What’s that old saying... you can’t get a man to understand something when his paycheque depends on not understanding it...\n\nIt’s gross. Honesty is in such short supply in our consumerist society. These ghouls all think that means justify ends no matter what and the “fuck you I got mine” is very prevalent in marketing departments.", "This explains why the restaurant my husband used to work at has so many high star reviews -- the place is horrible, they cannot retain workers, the management even worse and last I heard they were down to the owner and an assistant and that was it, and it has 4.5 star review. Given the shit I heard about the place from my husband, I guess it's no longer time to trust reviews.", "It's not OUR fault you work in a shitty manipulative field my man, we didn't force you to go to college for that, you could have been a plumber or a baker or, you know, something productive in society instead of a parasite making a living by manipulating the emotions of others. \n \nSure, manipulation isn't 100% of marketing, but it's almost 100% of every single example you can ever think of when asked to cite examples of good marketing, like Apple, look at the next Apple commercial from the standpoint of \"are they trying to manipulate my emotions here?\" and if you're honest with yourself you're going to hate what you realize.", "People keep saying this, but Facebook is literally evil at this point and hundreds of millions of people still use it. Complacency always wins, this isn't like the old days where digg could fuck around and we'd all go here. Reddit IS fucking around and we're still here. 15 years ago if facebook did what it's doing it'd have died quicker than myspace did. Now? They're untouchable. And google knows this.", "They could disable the dislike bar before as well. The difference is it’s no longer suspicious because every video is the same\n\nThat’s the reason they’re not giving creators the ability to enable the dislike counter individually, which would actually make sense if their real goal was to protect creators", "What can we do? There's no alternative", "because they tried a subscription plan to watch youtube and then nobody has it, so youtube needs to find some way to pay for their servers.", "Or a better economic and social system.", "Fr. And if you're a white republican you can legally assault a cop on the capital steps. It's wild. Land of the free baby /s \n\nAmerica sucks open ass", "Corporations are astro turfing reddit and the top subs are moderated by a lot of the same people. Sorry to be the one to tell ya, bud.", "Yet another symptom of capitalism! Throw it on the pile with the rest of them.", "In an economic system that incentivizes making as much money as possible with no consideration for anything else, we shouldn’t be surprised when the interests of the populace are disregarded in favor of the interests of capital.", "Just did the same.", "There are actively people out there sacrificing our future children to make a few grand right now", "It's been themtube for a while now, they're just taking more drastic measurements now", "Is this part of Google's \"Do no evil\" mantra?", "They don't have to delete anything. The upvoting and awards does all the hard work. \n\n\n\n\nOr depending on the product, reddit's opinion is spend triple and fuck every other option you poor piece of shit.\n\n\n\nThis site is an echo chamber and the users really forget that sometimes people just need a product to be good enough or functional. No, the best niche or bust", "Honesty and integrity seem to be absent more often in this society. Good on you!", "In fact I would say that most things should be nationalized, just in general", "US is one of the best countries for freedom of speech, this is just untrue", "Do something Vimeo, it's your time to shine bro.", "What about that was based on incorrect assumptions or false?", "It's also to actively stop users from knowing good content from bad. Netflix did this all social media has moved in this direction because it turns the platform into an infinite scroll gambling addiction inducing search for quality. You don't want people finding the highest quality stuff you want them scrolling indefinitely.\n\nThis is gonna make them a ton of money", "Well until some of those cash cows making a literal fortune on youtube leave and take their million of subscribers with them, that's never going to change. And they know it.", "I like how Google is thinking short term.", "I think I have a wooden eye because I cant find anywhere where I can turn this thing on. Can you give directions?", "I mean, Vimeo has been around for how many years…?", "pRoTeCtInG sMalL cReAtOrS", "Oh you're going to have to spend more time on our site finding what you need how terrible 😎", "There are no shortage of people in China to keep recreating Seller accounts to continue listing knock-offs.\n\nMeanwhile, as small US business here where we pay very high for the area, we will lose a few employee positions a year from lost income when Amazon \"Takes infringement seriously\" and rips down one of our best selling products because some unnamed customer said it must be fake.It isn't fake, we make it!", "I mean the advertising is understandable. YouTube costs an astronomical amount to run.", "Does anyone expect youtube to do anything other than be fucking lame?", "What sucks is they know they can get away with it. A lot of our lifestyles are based in YouTube and they know we won’t just go over to Vimeo", "If we can't dislike videos, we should just report every single one we don't like\n\nSee a video propagating misinformation or doing something else you don't like? May as well report it for terrorism or something ¯\\(ツ)_/¯ ", "The extension author is aware and they plan on using anonymized id tracking to store a like/dislike ratio internally, then comparing public likes against the user submitted ratio to predict a possible Like/dislike ratio, and thus the possible number or dislikes.\n\nsomething simple like....\n\n ehl = extension harvested likes\n ehd = extension harvested dislikes\n pal = publically available likes (which includes ehl)\n pd = predicted dislikes\n \n if (pal == 0)\n pd = ehd\n else if (ehd > 0)\n pd = ((ehl/ehd) * (pal-ehl))\n else\n pd = 0\n\n...?\n\nIt will also scrape existing videos for their l:d ratio to get an idea of the vid's current state and use that for those videos.\n\nIf you care enough, you can contribute. I'm doing my part.", "Maybe your Google account is flagged? I am seeing new negative reviews daily. Granted, totally different industry. But keep in mind Google pays attention to the authority of the user. Not saying your wrong, just saying, I left a negative review 2 days ago and its up. So are all of my previous Google reviews. I am an active local guide.", "If you actually believe they removed the dislikes because of brigading or review bombing, I have a bridge to sell you.", "I was a Google Play Musicstan until they forced everyone to an inferior Youtube branded version.", "Watch this video be deleted as well.", "Oh there have been far dumber decisions. Remember when OnlyFans tried to ban porn?", "But if the market is there, right? And it sounds like it is. I feel like there has to be a media giant (or whoever that can cover those costs) out there, that's more than capable of sliding in and replacing that aspect/user base. \n\nLike if that many people are clamoring for it, there's money to be made, and if there's money to be made, that's all it takes, no? I feel like surely there would be a race to capitalize on that original, YouTube, amateur, creator/content, space/platform .\n\nSo, I don't see what's so terrible if YouTube becomes that and a new company becomes this. Which is what I'm guessing will happen. But who knows. I obviously don't have a lot of knowledge behind any of this, lol, just curious for the conversation.", "That's super interesting, Yelp is usually the one who does that crap. In fact Google is the one that keeps all my negative reviews up. Gotta go back and double check now.", "There is no manipulation if you are doing SEO correctly. \n\nGoogle’s algorithm has evolved to weed out any bullshit or manipulation quite well. \n\nIf you can build a well functioning website with good and relevant content you will show up in search results better than your competitors. That’s what SEO is.\n\nAnyone in the industry will tell you that the “black hat” manipulative SEO tactics simply do\nnot work.", ">You mean, just like how Reddit mods will delete comments that they don't like even if those comments do not violate sub or Reddit rules?\n\n>It's almost like people with any level of authority will do what they want, especially when they are under no obligation to do otherwise.\n\nOne hundred fucking percent.", "It will get to the point where we need an extension, or companion site with unfiltered likes/dislikes and comments", "Nobody tell him", "It is literally the second entry that show up when you visit /r/videos", "A private entity, be it a person or a corporation, cannot violate your right to free speech. It's just not how it works.", "Hello, Google AI Death Squad? Yes, this comment right here!", "Every little victory they hand to their competition betters the odds that one of them will pick up enough steam to win over a large chunk of their userbase.", "Nebula is pretty great.", "No they didn't, it's still on the page and always has been. They just moved it to the end.", "someone posted a list of the most disliked YT videos, I believe there's a wiki page for it, and said it was 90% corporations", "Or just[ click this link](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/install).\n\nYou're even more welcome!", "Honestly, this was bound to end up being a horribly ironic story.", "Yeah sometimes I just like reading the toxic comments because they’re funny", "Huge moral dilemma for me too. But between this, removing dislike counts, and ruining youtube searches, Google needs to understand that there are consequences. Money is the only langauge they speak, so.. :(", "If you can't see how this issue is related to all the major issues we currently have in this country, then I feel sorry for how ignorant you are. When we gove our integrity for money, the world becomes a shittier place\n\nGo be a corporate apologist elsewhere", "That's the intended design. Instead of watching one video, you need to watch five.", "Next day: Google buys twitter", "Oh hey Matthew from A Fox in Space. Love that series, can’t wait for more.", "Anti-brigading system triggered because of a lot of recent negative comment ?", "I remember when America invented censorship. What a time to be alive.", "What? Technical issues? No. Noooo. YouTube bad. Google bad.", "He’s not their area of study)", "they can do this because nobody gonna go down the street and march to their building to protest", "It doesn't bolster your point\n\nYou're marketing your opinion right now", "Hiding bad PR for companies is political, and it pads their bottom line.", "Not the youtube channel I expected to see here talking about this issue, still awesome to see Fredryk Phox all active and talking about stuff.", "Tbh YouTube kinda went downhill when they implemented Adsense payment for creators, as it essentially just turned it into homebrew cable tv in a way. Everything got super corporatized and monetized to hell, and everything felt super edited and studio filmed. Front page used to be stuff from all sorts of random creators, but then it just turned into whoever was the most popular YouTube celebrity. \n\nMonetizing videos is great for creators but awful for everyone else.", "So will my tradition of Piracy and Adblockers.", ">You can very easily ban someone and let them continue to contribute without them ever having it readily apparent. \n\nChanges to youtube's comment framework can never be \"very easily\" implemented. It's a huge platform run by a famously bureaucratic corporation, so changes have to go through multiple teams and likely require extensive testing before they ever reach a regular user's browser.\n\n>Yes, if the user logs out, and looks for their comment, they'd be unable to find it, but if the user has no reason to investigate, they could continue on for eternity just believing their comments exist publicly because to them, their comments would always exist. Their comments are attached to their user profile, and their profile is flagged to block public visibility of their contributions.\n\nThe primary purpose of shadowbans is to combat comment bots and it has been my experience combatting this myself on a different platform that bot programs check the visibility of their comments to determine when they've been banned. Even thinking about this from the standpoint of a regular user shows that this person has no experience dealing with this issue from the development side.\n\n>The idea that there's no way to implement this is completely false.\n\nAgain, they don't seem to have any grasp of this situation but continue to make empirically false statements. If you remove a comment from public view, then of course there's going to be a way for a bot to detect this. I can think of lots of methods a bot program might use, like using multiple connection instances with separate cookies for example.\n\n>They're already fetching a user's personal comments on a video to place at them at the top for easy visibility, so they can very easily continue to do that, but just not place the comment as a publicly visible comment. Source: I'm a web developer.\n\nAgain, he's claiming that changing a feature on a platform like youtube can be done \"very easily\". It just shows that he can't separate the ideas in his head from the process of implementing them in a production environment due to a lack of real-world development experience.", "🇨🇳", "Feels like YouTube is trying to kill their platform again. At least this time I don't have to have a Google plus account lmao", "There's literally already videos where comments are disabled, or set to approve before showing, so as far as big brands are concerned, that part of the platform is already ready to go.", "I don't know what's going on with this specific situation, but I can tell you, as someone running a prominent account, that comments get automatically flagged for manual review for all sorts of reasons. 100% a comment that says \"handjob\" will sit in hidden mode forever unless the channel owner manually approves it.", "“Be the change you want to see.” -Wayne Gretzky Einstein", "I’ve had the extension since my dislikes have been disabled. Though personally I don’t think most people are going to go out of their way to download it. I personally watch a lot of educational videos especially since I’m in IT and watch a lot of Indian tutorials with not a lot of views for my college courses lol.\n\nIn addition, it’s for as long as the dev chooses to keep this in development, and don’t forget google can always remove it from the extension store.\n\nWe can only hope for the best.", "We're headed back to the days before price and review checking products online. It'll all be trial and error and word of mouth like the old days. I miss being able to rely on reviews.\n\nThe way I'm choosing to deal with it so far is to Google the product name with \"reviews reddit\" after it to see what ya'll have to say. Other than that, I'm using a Chrome extension called [Fakespot](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/fakespot-fake-amazon-revi/nakplnnackehceedgkgkokbgbmfghain?utm_campaign=ext_button), which hypothetically checks to see how many of the reviews are verified and then gives the product an A-F grade. It's been pretty helpful so far.", "I just stopped using positive reviews and mainly stick to 1-3 stars for honest reviews and a good idea of what issues to expect.", "Man I wish YouTube had a competitor", "Don't like it, start your own platform. Lol", "Used to go there all the time, then for whatever reason my search results were constantly filled with poetry videos. Guessing it was people filling their descriptions with keywords to get traffic, but it was very strange.", "Wait did anyone actually watch the video??? The dude is complaining about all his comments, which were positive comments being auto deleted.\n\nReddit hivemind strikes again.", "well your first mistake is using an android.", "It truly is a terrible world we live in. Learning from the comments that the same thing is happening with Amazon reviews is making me even more of a doomer than I was before. None of us have any power to change things. We just have to come to terms with that...", "You're here to justify your naïveté\n\nr/Im14AndThisIsDeep misses you", "you all are responding to a comment about how advertising ruins everything to say censorship is bad.", "It'll be like Uber and Lyft where you judge everyone by their fractional points after the 4th star.", "Privatizing everything in society is another way of removing democratic control over those things. Private companies run the net, if they dont want you or your feedback, you'll be kicked out.", "Removing dislikes is horrible, but I don't think anything of value would be lost if YouTube comments just disappeared. They are consistently a cesspit.", "Also how does this actually do whatever horseshit line they're telling us if the content creators still see the dislike counts and still get their feeling hurt?", "Facebook did it. Worked out good for them. So YouTube will not bow down", "They do that quite a bit and most products are filled with tons of incredibly obvious fake 5 star reviews.", "Well said", "Stops working on December 15th", "I think I've seen a comment like this on every piece of negative YouTube news for about 5 years. Seriously though it's a cliche at this point.\n\nI mean you're not wrong but the gap between wishing for an alternate service and one actually happening is ginormous.", "Is there a any objective platforms to leave reviews besides yelp & google?", "I've spent hundreds of thousands of dollars a month on Google Ads for clients and have never had the option to remove a negative review.", "What is odysee?", "Alphabet is a platform for advertisers. They don't give a single fuck about fighting misinformation or helping smaller creators. Every decision they make is calculated for maximum $$$ for themselves and corporate advertisers", "I left a bad review for my last apartment on Google. Whenever I look from my PC, it's the first review there! Whenever I go incognito and look for it, it doesn't exist. Fucking disgusting...", "Use YouTube vanced!", "Lots give you the product for free or discounted if you remove the negative review. \n\nSo take that into account too.", "Show me someone who isn't manipulating emotions and I'll show you Terry Schiavo", "For now...", "Weird because when I open my YouTube app there's a big infographic that says YouTube is taking steps to limit disinformation.", "Not really a moral dilemma. YouTube has been fucking people over in the name of advertisers for years and years.", "How’s that do no evil going?", "Think about it like this: Why would YouTube pay someone to edit your random nothing comments to use synonyms?", "That’s crazy. When I worked at a car dealership years ago we couldn’t have negative comments removed. One way we dealt with them was basically bribing the reviewer. “We’d like to offer you a free oil change and wash if you’ll update your review” type stuff. Worked most of the time but you still had holdouts and people who weren’t willing to sell out.", "The one problem I had with ordering stuff on Amazon at the cheaper prices, was the quality control. I received Galaxy Buds that were clearly used, ear wax in them and all, yet were sold as a new item. It was more worth it to buy it at a slightly higher price at a B&M to know I was getting a legitimate new product.", "Also tricky cos mouth breathers struggle to use some stuff. I bought some paint recently that had some 5 star reviews saying great paint looks amazing, and others saying 1 star it was coloured water with a big lump of paint stuck in a ball at the bottom.\n\nTook a chance, it arrived, big lump of paint stuck in a ball. Though oh dear. Decided to stir it vigorously. After 5 mins of aggressive stirring it was completely fine. Probably due to being metallic paint. Painted a wall, looks awesome.\n\nSurely you'd try that before leaving a review?", "They all run under the same profit extraction engine and so that's inevitable. Its all fun and games early on until venture capitalists want some returns.", "I'm not apologizing for anyone or anything. I'm stating the fact that the only entity that can violate you 1A rights is the government. \n\nAnd I think it's you who's ignorant of the actual problems in your country. \n\nEveryone's always banging on about the 1st and 2nd amendment. But nobody cares or even notices that other important ones, like the right to a speedy trial, or a trial at all, are pretty much already dead and gone.\n\nOut of all the Americans currently incarcerated (about 2.3 MILLION) how many do you think recieved a trial?", "“There is no war in Ba Sing Se.”", "Seriously these people… do they really think YouTube ever cared to do the right thing? It’s naive. People acted like this when they removed the star system in favor of likes and dislikes.\n\nIt’s fuckin Google, and it’s a private company. What do y’all expect?", "Also curious if say a content reviewer does basically a shill video for Netflix and they have the ability to censor negative comments", "I really couldn't read any of that means 😂😂", "Except for twitch ads sadly", "Thousand dollar phone lol boomer", "Yep I'm in the same boat. It is so damn difficult to find quality stuff now. All I want is a good quality phone charger cable and an HDMI cable. Impossible to tell on Amazon what's good and of course you gotta bypass their \"featured\" products. So then, okay, I to to Google looking for an answer on quality cables. And now it's just chok full of those damn \"10 of the best cables you can get in 2021!\" So you go there, because that's all there is. And BAM number best quality cable \"Amazon Basics\". What the actual fuck. It's really becoming a problem.", "Creators have little to no say in what gets flagged by youtube. Ive had normal conversations get picked up while vile shit gets through and I have all filters turned off. \n\nWhich as much as you want to blame it on \"nazi-like\" creators it's 100% on youtubes side, on the other side of the fence you see the comment and then click it and its like it never existed. \n\nIn my experience, people get their stuff ghost deleted all the time because they do a bit of 'trolling' on their account and expect youtube to not auto-flag their comments on other channels that they actually like watching and participating in.", "How can you tell there gone? are they deleted from your history?", "Context: They've only hidden three replies total, all of which have profanity/insults. There are plenty of replies asking to bring back dislikes that are not hidden.", "They targeted gamers.\n\nGamers.", "Every time I return something that I didn't realize was a shitty off brand and leave a review, I'm offered a small gift card to remove it. As a seller, I have no idea how they manage to do that. If I try to send an email to a buyer, it's super strict.", "> CO2 and get called dense\n\nSeeing how you're confusing carbon dioxide and monoxide I'd say you hit the nail on the head. If you're not just trolling seek help, you might be having a psychotic episode.", "And of course, literally the exact opposite of \"protecting creators\", because toxic comments are far more damaging to people's mental health than an anonymous dislike button. \n \nThe fact that they're openly encouraging toxicity towards their own content creators is scummy enough. That they then have the nerve to claim they're doing it for the sake of those same people is just cartoon supervillain.", "lmfao it's just the dog doing the nazi salute", "LMAO so fucking dramatic", "At that point I would rather just use streaming services more than YouTube. I go to YouTube to see small creator made content and passion projects that I can interact with to some degree. If they actually did this I would have little reason to actually watch YouTube content outside of informational stuff or reuploading old tv episodes.", "Pussies", "Sorry to break it to you but America is, at best, equal to western countries\n\nhttps://eu.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/macomb/2019/09/19/jury-acquits-macomb-dad-charged-after-criticizing-judge-facebook/2364899001/\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/ActualPublicFreakouts/comments/kj66nt/man_arrested_for_rolling_window_down/\n\nhttps://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/internet-speech/new-hampshire-police-arrested-man-being-mean-them-internet\n\nhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO\n\nOh oh, looks like the Americans want to arrest me for my speech lol", "Definitely one of my biggest problems with this new direction. I think back a few years ago when I was just learning video editing and remember how many poor tutorial videos I had to sift though to find one with a good editor who new what he was doing. Same thing with instrument tutorials. There's some great ones out there, but there's sooo many bad ones. Youtube is purely using the dislike button as as scape goat so they don't have change their algorithm.", "Non-binary people took over YouTube?? (Not clickbait)", "Aww, is big YouTube frightened about the free market they exploit?", "section 230 has nothing to do with this.", "I see a lot of criticism on YouTube frequently. I have some questions: Why hasn't an alternative been properly suggested? We have great ones like Vimeo.", "This goes on right here on reddit. I know Ive Ive been shadow banned on subreddits for voicing my opinions. Some of my opinions could be categorized as “right” leaning. Ive had comments removed because I had different opinions than the mass of liberals on reddit. Its nothing new & its going to get worse. I understand misinformation. Ban people that spread misinformation,sure. But they decide what misinformation is… its at their discretion. Facts or not facts.", "How the fuck you payed for premium to begin with? \nDon't take as a personal matter, but a premium there is total bullshit. \nI'm old enough that youtube wasn't even there when I got my first internet, to be fair it did deserve something in the early ages. \nNow is a commercial shit show.", "What’s the new YouTube?", "Except I pay for YouTube premium", "Fucking YT wannabe China", "there's an episode of Reveal that goes pretty in-depth into the problem of scam brands and the lengths they go to fuck over not only their unfortunate customers but also their legitimate competition. \n\nAmazon doesn't care as long as they get their cut.", "they know, they just don't care, because companies paying them to stop giving their users a voice makes them more money than having happy users.", "So we should start using...peertube!", "Alphabet which owns Google is a publicly traded company.", "People have been saying this since like 2010", "https://youtu.be/wpONJZNXd6Y\nRelavent", "The US jailed communists and assassinated civil rights leaders", "…be a monopoly.", "So it's a blackmail type situation then, or maybe a protection racket. \n\n\"Nice eatery you've got there, be a shame if it got a bad reputation on our platform...\"", "If it's issue that spans countries, economies, ideologies then why even make such an inane comment? Why not try and pinpoint the actual issue instead of a typical reddit circle jerk comment? It's like responding to \"I'm hungry\" with \"That sentence encapsulates the entirety of people with blue eyes.\"\n\nI don't know what's more annoying. The comments justifying stupidity with \"MURICA\" or the pseudointellectual with nothing to say so they just vomit out \"America bad.\"", "Here's what I don't understand. \n\nI have purchased some fairly specific hardware from amazon. Like really niche electronic stuff from reputable brands too. They have 33k+ reviews. The quest 2 for example, only has 5500 reviews. All of those 33k reviews are from verified sales, and the object itself is like 40-50 dollars. How do they manage to get so many reviews without taking a hit for giving it away for free with the whole review exchange thing?", "Yo your voice epic fam. You should get into VA", "If it has over 10k reviews and it basically isn't as common as air (or even if it is), its def gotta be a scam.", "Google is right below Facebook on the list of shit to delete from our lives.", "Brave Browser for iOS. Also allows PiP through the Brave Playlist feature.", "A few things:\n\n-\tCarbon monoxide [CO] can come from a variety of sources. Gas stoves are a very common source but other sources exist. Some examples are, wood stoves, fireplaces, furnaces, water heaters, and gas laundry dryers.\n-\tThe carbon monoxide molecule is smaller than the oxygen [O₂] we breathe. Your air filter would have to filter out oxygen in order to filter out carbon monoxide. (As you have said that you already have detectors there’s very little reason to suspect CO poisoning. Just please be sure to test and maintain them regularly.)\n-\tEveryone is susceptible to conspiracy theories. They prey on psychological mechanisms common throughout most if not all of humanity. Among others, the desire to have special knowledge and the desire to belong to a group.\n-\tHuman memory has consistently proven to be highly fallible. Not only in forgetfulness, but also in vulnerability to the power of suggestion. Forces both internal and external can effect how we remember certain events. The forces can be as simple as our mood during said event to something as sinister as gaslighting.\n\nAs I have nothing but the video and your word to go by, it is difficult for me to believe that YouTube is actively manipulating comments as a rule. It’s certainly possible, but I don’t think that what has been presented here crosses the threshold for conclusive evidence.", "I for one support the removal. It's much easier to take 7, 8 alt right propaganda videos to the brain this way, plus I don't even know if they're good videos!", "And when literally everything runs on money, very few people have the ability to not sell out when the opportunity arises.", "Seems like you just take your chance and hope the shit delivered isn't fucked.\n\nAt this point I trust absolutely nothing on Amazon or Google. If this is what these retards wanted, this is what they get. I'll go back to handing my money over to some poorly paid dude in a brick and mortar store and tell them I'm sorry I don't want any silly extended warranty unless the manufacturer has none.", "I did the same with a local restaurant because there was a cockroach in my food. Photos and all and it was deleted within 10 mins.", "Brave Browser for iOS", "Nothing new. The BBB invented this in like the 80s.", ">odysee\n\nI'd rather have no youtube than be brainwashed by an evil one. I gave up TV when the net went public in the 90s. I can give up the net now.", "The worst part is they weren’t even being honest about why they’re removing dislikes. Claiming it was to stop smaller channels from being harassed was bunk because if smaller channels were getting harassed it would be via comments. Hiding the dislike is 100% trying to “protect” big channels or companies who put up awful videos. For smaller channels dislikes show what is or isn’t working", "I mean you could perhaps do it, but you would have to spend quite a bit of money on policing.\n\nAnd the infrastructure for video platforms is insanely expensive, it would take years ro become profitable.", "Beautiful, Youtube...you did a wonderful ~~hand~~job", "Basically yes. It’s all a politics scheme with them; it gets worse when you learn about permits and alcohol laws and how you have to rub some local politicians backs and cater to them after you open if they help you get all your permits and licenses without huge hiccups.", "I’m still waiting on PornHub to get it together. They have the infrastructure, just need to change the name to VideoHub or something and bam.", "Gonna be real funny when we nobody can tell what's true anymore, basically you get soviet era news. What happened to the soviet Union? It collapsed and led to multiple wars and even genocide. \n\nI'm not talking just youtube here, I'm talking about every platform on the Internet. They are enabling disinformation in the name of combating disinformation...thats dumb as fuck. \n\nOnce climate change is in full swing society will collapse.", "its definitely not good, but its still way better than this yelp/google/amazon BS. if i find a thread about a product on reddit, i can read every comment and judge for myself, regardless of their upvotes or awards, based purely on the content of the comments and replies.", "Yeah this is definitely heading in the wrong direction", "I believe that you can figure out what I meant. Publicly traded doesn’t make a company’s service a right.", "Dang. I had started commenting on videos “like this if you dislike the video” guess they’re going to be deleted", "No I mean the setting. I have the app (both vanced manager and youtube vanced) installed and have been using it, I just cant seem to figure out how to enable the playback while screen is locked.", "Hell, I got an ad on Twitch just yesterday for PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION. All of these sites are circling the morality/information drain", "EU is allegedly trying to make that kind of practice illegal", "Fucking seriously? So we just can’t have anything nice, huh? Yeah, let’s just keep making things worse and worse… and they wonder why depression is an out of control problem…", "For iOS users, look up Cercube and side loading apps.", "Had the same experience.\n\nI was looking for some decorative metal rings for an art project, and found some reviews of people saying shit like \"this won't hold any weight, I'm glad I tested it before using it. Someone could get seriously injured!\"\n\nLike yeah... these are like 18 gauge copper rings.... Did you think you were going to use them for fucking mountain climbing?", "wtf? I left a review some days ago and it's gone now too", "I knew I recognised that voice!", "Something strange is definitely going on. All my comments are being deleted 1 min after I post them. It's been going on for weeks. They have a huge help thread on it but have not given anyone any advice or fixed anyone's issue yet.", "The most surprising thing about this is the number of people on here that are surprised about this.", "PSA: You can download an extension that'll let you see dislikes. I'm not sure if it's 100% accurate, but by Googling \"YouTube Dislike Extension\" and adding it, you'll at least have some idea how many dislikes a video has.", "I’ve done reputation management work. It’s not nearly as nefarious as it seems. Them running ads on Google doesn’t really matter. Basically, the business can flag the review as inappropriate. Google team reviews flag. If they feel further conversation is warranted, they’ll email flagger and ask why. Then flagger can say “they are lying”. Their support team has reduced a lot in size (they don’t even take phone support calls anymore). They outsource a ton to India and the majority of support I speak with is from there. Outsourcing has ups and downs, one of the downs is that, IMO, their outsourced employees don’t think critically about a situation, and just like to resolve situations as fast as possible. Can’t blame em, they get paid shit. But yeah, Fuck Google.", "I get your point, but anyone that bathes their vacuum cleaner's electronic components and then takes an impact drill to it afterwards because someone on the internet told them to kind of has whatever consequences they face coming to them.\n\nEdit: feel free to downvote. All I'm saying is that you shouldn't base your whole determination on whether a tutorial is right or wrong on downvotes. Have some common sense.", "Not if you search within that specific sub", "Nope, if I meant that I would be a dumbass.\n\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/02/tech-billionaire-2020-election-donations-final-tally.html", "Ah yes, just the usual cycle of YouTube making shit decisions, the user base complaining for a while, then ultimately back to doing nothing. \n\nYouTube doesn’t listen to anyone besides themselves and money, it’s been like that for 10+ years now.", "Do creators keep ownership of content? Like, could they re-upload their entire channel elsewhere without YouTube stopping them? If so, then after a few years of uploading to both services they could start to phase out YouTube as the new site became popular", "There is a browser extension that puts the dislike count back on YouTube ..fwiw...", "Nah, 5 stars will just go to the highest bidders only", "Always has been. Its a platform for commercials.", "From my understanding they are looking to push only corporate videos like well established news stations, and we get trash like the talk shows that are on tv. Only the huge content creators will even see the front page. The smallers will eventially get pushed out of yt altoghether, some already have left youtube in the last few years. The elimanation of the dislike button only makes it worst", "If the dealership initiated the process, then both would be accurate.", "Eh €2 per month to get rid of all the ads on all devices and get YT Music for 5 people isn’t a bad deal.", "Isnt that for music.", "Its funny because when someone says something reddit doesn’t like, they run to their advertisers.", "If it makes you feel any better, I left a positive review for a restaurant and DoorDash rejected it even though it was just a normal review. Made me want to never use them again.", "Also why not let individual creators decide to hide dislikes. Like they already could.", "They already can, they just turn off the comments to silence criticism.", "What's the point of having a ***in' like/dislike system or accepting reviews when everything is going to be silenced anyway. Can't stand having false social tools and just being force fed the garbage either way. It's like you have to do detective work nowadays FFS.", "Who cares, it's their platform they can do as they want.\n\nOh this ain't about conservative opinions being censored so now it's bad?", "No it's a video hosting platform.", "I think it's much simpler than that. Downvote \"campaigns\" against absolute trash like, for example, Satan Inc. are a way for the people to really make a stand against said trash. They don't want this. They want garbage like Satan Inc. to be able to post their garbage without worrying about something like that.\n\nSo it's not that it is meant to trick higher ups, it's that it is meant to shield higher ups.", "saving this for when it happens", "Even then it's a crapshoot", "Maybe you should have supported Stephen Crowder, Tim Pool, and others when they called this happening 4 years ago instead of gloating that the other political opinions are being banned", "Voat was very specifically just an alternative clone to reddit made when it became clear that the site has been compromised and will continue to go downhill. That had little to do with political leaning in and of itself.\n\nIt wasn't specifically for* any kind of people. It's just that while reddit was making the whole platform worse in various ways, they also went pretty hard on removing undesirables, meaning there would be a disproportionate amount of that kind of person there.\n\nThat's the most tragic bit of all this, really. All of the normal people who were fed up with reddit corruption didn't really have an alternative. It was either sit on reddit and slowly become insane over time as you weather the steady decline, or go hang out in the corner where people are drawing swastikas on the wall using their own shit.\n\nNot to mention how insanely easy it is for a company like reddit to just hand over a relatively tiny chunk of money to a group who will dedicate themselves to spamming filth on any competitor to ruin it.", "I’ve got an add on on Firefox that brings the count right back up", "as much as I hate yelp's shitty practices they are still my go-to to see accurate reviews", "On the bright side, there's a great chrome extension called \"Return YouTube Dislike\" that re-adds the dislike bar/counter. Works on Opera GX, too. =)", "Youtube is just too big to have competitors, it takes billions just to sustain youtube as a platform", "> I use to love getting help on youtube on how to fix things and do things but now I don't trust it since I can't tell if it's been downvoted to hell and is actually giving me wrong advice.\n\nWhat a crock of shit, you can just look at the comments to find out if the tutorial is good or not. If the comments are turned off, its safe to assume its a bullshit tutorial. Stop making up fake problems.", "Peertube, it's literally impossible to do this there since you store the content you watch locally and serve it to others.", "Do they have executives who honestly think the answer to toxicity is to censor all negativity?\n\nSpoiler, no, the(ir) answer to how to make more money is to censor all negativity aimed at their brand or any business they work with.", "I'm not into the extreme right ideology. \n\nI also called it out. Don't really need anyone to tell me what to think.", "Stephen Crowder has been fighting this, but he's conservative so they sided with YouTube lmao.\n\nNow who is left to fight for you? Oh yeah Crowder because he's beating them still", "How do you figure that translates to being a larger industry?", "I wonder what their metric for \"creator\" is because ive uploaded some videos years ago and im still able to see dislikes. If thats the case, make a couple of 1-3minute videos and enjoy watching the dislikes on corporate made videos tsunami over the bought and bot likes they get, then call them out on it.", "> You can still moderate misinformation and radicalization while allowing for free speech.\n\nAbsolutely. All you have to do is remove human judgement from the equation. You'll immediately get a corrupted system otherwise.", "What’s the whole push for this? We know what YouTube said about removing the dislike button but there is an obvious agenda here to control the narrative for something.", "fuck youtube. Gonna start writing smack about their shit move", "The pressure won't last, or result in anything meaningful, if there isn't an actual suitable alternative. Where are you going to go for videos that's equivalent of youtube?", "yea but its still not gonna be that accurate", "Agreed. If you look for pastel or rainbow bright colored hair dyes you see the same shit. For pastel hair dyes to take you need to bleech the fuck out of your hair and tone the yellow out before even attempting it.\n\nYou will see a sea of \"it didn't work on my hair i have brown hair\" comments and on occasion you have the genius \"it dyed my hands and nails?! if it stains your nails they should have added gloves!\"\n\nPeople are fucking dumb.\n\nThe best gray hair dye i ever found had 3 stars last time i checked because of comments like the ones i mentioned.", "Welp, time for a new platform, anyone have recommendations?", "Yea i'm very interested in Vimeo since this has happened.", "Like reddit", "Then don't live in America", "I think you can find this thread dumb without pretending no problems exist. It’s a laughably tiny issue in the grand scheme. Corporations control our government to the highest level. The death of the planet is accelerating. The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Actual fascists hold power.\n\nWe got bigger problems than the funny thumb", "Sorry but english is not my primary language. \nDwutlenek węgla and tlenek węgla are used alternately in polish and the direct translation of monoxide to polish is tlenek tlenku - oxygen oxide.... monoxide as you will.. so oxygen molecule of two oxygen atoms. It is quite literally just O2 - oxygen. Here we go with language barriers.\n\nWhat you are referring to is monoxide as in one atom of oxygen and two atoms of carbon - CO2. I can only assume you failed basic chemistry. \nAll detectors I have are able to recognize smoke, CO2 and gas (propane/butane). \n\n\nEDIT: \nOxygen does have 2 chemical bonds potential. It was called \"arms\" in my middle school. So You have one Oxygen atom with two arms that want to grab onto something. It meets Carbon. Carbon does have 4 arms. It can connect to this one atom of Oxygen but still does have 2 more arms that are searching for something to grab. So it grabs one more atom of Oxygen. They just created CO2. \nIn many different situations when Oxygen is looking to be connected to some other element it can lead to combustion (rapid oxidation). However... in some situations it can be moved as CO2 thru the alveolis (yes, the same membrane that is supposed to allow escape of CO2 from your organism). And then you get asphyxiated because your red blood cells transfer it as they normally would with Oxygen. F \nIt is as basic knowledge from high school or middle school.", "I always start with the 3 star reviews and move out from there. 1 and 5 always seem to be filled with useless or fake reviews", "Your consent has been nice and manufactured even not being from America. Nice!", "It's not philanthropy.\n\nI'm just trying to buy stuff without getting ripped off.", "Reddit when big tech censors people reddit doesn't like: \n\n>They're a private company, they can and should do whatever you want! Go make your own video service!\n\nReddit when big tech starts censoring people who criticize big tech:\n\n>Hey! This is censorship! You shouldn't be able to do this!", "What happens if you just repost it?", "Y’all represent like 0.5% of YouTube’s profit.\n\nYou can’t do shit.", "Nothing will change because we won't stop using Google services, especially YouTube. EVERYONE uses YouTube, there is no alternative, and we will take whatever they give us.", "You can also read every review and disgard the stars. It does not fix the problem though, as Reddit and many other sites have shills paid to write organic, positive reviews.\n\nThe only way you can make sure is to ask someone (preferably one you trust). Doing that, in a closed off community for example, is the best way to get honest feedback and it has the advantage of being a dialog instead of a publication.", "YouTube needs to understand that they are BETWEEN us and why we come to the site. I don't love YouTube. I love the VlogBrothers, I love Ben Eater, I love NerdCubed, and so many more.\n\nAs soon as YouTube gets this through their head... I might love YouTube.", "I never understood the urge to give away your info for free on these platforms. I've never liked, disliked, commented or subscribed to videos/channels/etc. My privacy is far more important to me.", "I exclusively shop by \"sold by.\" If it's not being sold by the site I'm on, or a brand store I trust, I don't buy it.", "Lol honestly kind of accurate. I remember when I was 15 YouTube drama seemed so important.", "Reddit is your best friend for stuff like this. Just google \"product name +www.reddit.com\" and you'll get tons of threads of owners discussing various aspects of the product. Far more useful and trustworthy than any review site could ever hope to be.", "Once you see it you cannot unsee it. It's quite obvious, especially in the defaults. /r/all is littered with advertising.", "And we know everyone on reddit is an SME in their area.", "His laugh at the end is hilarious", "Reddit is the master of shadow banning", "I'm sorry but is there actual proof that this is real? Can anybody replicate this?", "Half the country is already accepting of lies.\n\nNow that technology has gotten to that point as well (tech world was unbiased most of the time), I am not confident at all for 2024.", "lmao that's amazing, faith in humanity restored", "Why are people so afraid of China? All of the bad shit people say about Chinese censorship happens in the US too.", "Also lets not kid, sometimes those \"dislike campaigns\" are for a reason. Like, you're not uploading videos of your cat playing to your 100 subscribers when suddenly out of nowhere you get harassed by an internet mob.\n\nEvery time i see a \"dislike mob\" is either a big ass company like a movie trailer and the small times i've seen actual creators under one is when they do horrible shit like abusing their dog, under their apology video after an abuse scandal or something like that.\n\nOut of ever kind of \"harassment\" someone can get, a dislike button mob would be on the lower scale in my ignorant cynical opinion.", "Poor Buffalo Bill got shadow ban", "Fucking Censorship. This whole situation sucks.", "Kinda like how Reddit hid the downvote count that used to be visible on every post on the site.", "The Amazon comment section probably can't be saved at this point. It's absolutely full of fake and paid-for reviews, and it's getting worse not better.", "I loved the ending!\n\n\"Please take a screenshot of the comments that are missing\"", "Fuck YouTube. Use alternatives. If you have time to spare, ask the people you sub to if they'd stream on Rumble, DailyMotion, Vimeo, Ultreon (just found out about this one) BitChute, etc. They don't even have to quit YT , just stream on other sites too so people can follow them there. That helps the content creator get more influence (and leverage over YT to negotiate better deals) and it helps the competing sites get more traction. Also if the other sites get as big as YouTube, it gives more options to people, lets them get around censorship, lets content creators get better deals on other sites, etc.\n\nCompanies need competition, or they become shitty on purpose. The era of 2006 Youtube is over. It's just a pile of shit now propped up by familiarity and brand name.", "That is going to assume that the group of people who install the extension is has a similar like / dislike usage ratio as everyone else. Who knows how valid that is.", "Always has been: https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1433837480449613839/photo/3", "It's not extreme right at all. Unless your so far left even the center seems extreme right", "Same here.", "Can anybody even replicate what this guy is claiming? It's literally one dude making a claim. His comments could be getting deleted because of some other reason.", "Let's see if they take mine down. Posted on Play store a minute before this comment.", "> I think you can find this thread dumb without pretending no problems exist. It’s a laughably tiny issue in the grand scheme.\n\nYou realize for every single one of these issues there is someone like you saying exactly that right?\n\nThe problem is with the combination of all of these things stacking up to these companies having massive control over public morality.\n\n> Corporations control our government to the highest level. The death of the planet is accelerating. The poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer. Actual fascists hold power.\n\nAnd you for some reason ignore one of the key aspects of maintaining control? Controlling dialogue and slowing down organization?", "There's a lot going on in your response, but you are missing my point. The tools for decentralized youtube exist right now. Setting up peertube is not trivial, but it's not engineer grade difficulty either. Yes, hosting has it's costs, but nothing is going to change that. That's always going to exist with any decentralized platform. Video still is not cheap to host, but it's cheaper than it was 10 years ago. \n\n Content discovery is a real barrier. Blockchain isn't needed where RMT will suffice. People aren't going to pay in sufficient quantities to make independent hosting self sufficient. The business model needs to change from the platform being the gateway to the content creator being the gateway. \n\nI think ideally, as a host, I'd be competing for the business of people Linus Media group, etc. I offer them hosting services, they manage their own advertising and pay me for a commoditized service based on views (traffic). This is the model webhosting uses now. Video, if it weren't so expensive to host would do this. The problem is youtube has accumulated a massive userbase and name share that's hard to compete with. They sell access to that audience by sharing forced ad revenue with creators. That's a difficult business model to overcome for large creators.", "I mentioned a Youtube alternative and asked the video creator if my comment was flagged and it was. The creator mentioned another video that was only on the alternative service.\n\nThey said anyone who used the name of the other service at all in a comment was flagged.", "Why don’t people just go to Vimeo?", "Everybody get on Odysee!! I just made an account.", "For sure I agree with the sentiment that they did this from pressure from companies. But I don't think it's tied directly to the release of one video game, that's silly. There are plenty of other industries out there on youtube", "Love SponsorBlock", "Gotta pay their tax...kinda like a mafia protection racket", "> You claim censorship is wrong\n\nThis is called a strawman argument.\n\nWhat I claimed was very clear and a far more nuanced than a blanket censorship is wrong.\n\nI am downvoting your comment, but not for the reason you state, but because it does not contribute as its a very poorly done strawman, and bad faith argument.", "Also OP if YouTube was deleting comments why wouldn't they delete the negative comment the dude in the video left on the dislike video?", "This is literally what Porcupine Tree's song The Sound of Muzak is about from 2002. \n\n\"The music of the future will not entertain, it's only meant to repress and neutralize your brain.\"\n\n\"The music of rebellion makes you wanna rage, but it's made by millionaires who are nearly twice your age.\"", "Not to upset anybody but people always seem to forget that freedom of speech doesn't apply to any owned property/forum. If they don't want you on it then you are not allowed.", "Clickbait thumbnails came back with a vengeance already", "For the people who \"Pay\" gets 5 stars, the rest will suffer, aka pay to win.\n\nAbsolutely sucks that you will be forced to pay Google in order to stay competitive, this is the problem when organizations become too big to control, they start controlling the market slowly without drawing too much attention.", "Awwww are poor redditoids unhappy with the woke corporate tyranny the \"alt-right\" has been warning them about for years now?\n\nAwwwwwww", "Why would they need to pay anything for that? Algorithms are their deal so it is easy to change words to other ones perceived as more or less sympathetic and it can change the outcome of the conversation or make it more or less engaging. Since youtube does everything they can to keep viewers at their seats watching the content I would even risk saying that comments I see are different from what you see... oh... wait... it is happening for years now and you see a different order of comments than I could see because it is specifically curated to make you watch more videos. Just try using in the same time a different PC, different internet connection and different account. You will get totally different order of comment under the same video.\n\nWhen they published papers on Facebook curating the content to check if they can manipulate the outcome and peoples behaviour it was called an experiment and was a huge eye opener for many people. But why is it so surprising that the second most viewed website in the world (youtube) is doing the same? They do have the ability to do so and they clearly have will to do so (removing dislike counter while still counting?!).\n\nI do understand your logic. It is something that any logically thinking person should ask themselves. But it is what it is. It is exactly what I was looking at. My comments were edited or deleted without my knowledge. It was changing what I intended to say in a subtle but meaningful way. It was not my voice anymore even if the general meaning of what I wanted to say was the same.", "That's how communist countries work. \"Everything is perfect! Nothing to see here!\"", "Unrelated but wtf is the point of shorts? There are already multiple platforms that offer this exact format, and more importantly THERE ARE ALREADY BILLIONS OF SHORT VIDEOS ON YOUTUBE. Why create a whole new platform that already exists and makes videos worse by not being able to scroll through them.", "Censorship is everywhere. The only escape is to not use platforms that are owned or controlled by centralized organizations.", "Of all the up and coming platforms Odysee is the only one with a business model and architecture that protects itself and the users from the perverse incentives that large tech companies like Alphabet and Amazon will inevitably succumb to. It started out as a niche platform for opensource obsessed nerds, gradually expanded out to youtube exiles like Alex Jones which unfortunately made it fairly distatesful, but now a huge number of regular high profile youtubers are uploading to it as well and the overall spread of content is mellowing out and quality is on the rise now.", "We need to vote for someone that will take the guillotine to the tech companies. This is unconstitutional. If we don't fight for free speech, it will be completely gone in a few decades.", "Or use Musi, which is on the app store. No PiP, but no ads.", "Channels have had the ability to moderate comments for a very long time. I don't understand why you don't think this stuff exists or why you think it's a bad thing.", "Because they can't make anything of value, themselves. They, as a business, have to leech by promoting others in increasingly exploitative ways, because they're middlemen at best.", "There review calculating sites out there, you post the amazon link or name and its AI cathes paid, fake or reviews that seem in pattern and tells you the reality of the product.\n\nFakespot.com is a famous site for this purpose.\n\nCompanies use Facebook groups and instagram, tell you if you buy the product, write a review after a few days, they refund you via pay pal once review is approved, usually on IG posts like \"free give awat\" or \"test our products for free!\" And its almost always for reviews on Amazon.", "It's easy to do. Have some people write some pedophilia stuff, or write some Republican insurrection stuff. Say you're removing comments for safety.", "https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230\n\n\"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider\"\n\nif you curate content, you are still a platform, platforms are protected from being sued, regardless of if they censor content or not, unlike a publisher\n\nQuote the exact words in section 230 that say \"if you curate content you are not protected\", or rather, disprove how they can do whatever they want with impunity", "All the mega billion company have to do is to buy any threatening competition. Or wipe it out from google. Good luck growing then.", "Youtube ay see them as the same thing, but the advertisers and even the layman person may disagree. I would point to the many articles pointing to how having many dislikes meant people were not happy with whatever the video was about. Clearly, taking that away would lead to less criticism.", "Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if \"handjob\" got picked up and that's a big reason why. Could be wrong tho", "With Amazon you just buy the thing and return it if it sucks.", "Did you go back the the app and check the reviews for this? Or did you go into your review history in the settings? Example: (Profile picture in the play store > Manage apps and device > Ratings and Reviews)", "I dont understand what the issue is. Youtube is a service and if they feel the dislike button is harmful or at least not necessary anymore then they can remove it. And if consumers don't like it they can use a different service.", "Too much crypto nonsense", "Twitch is probably the only company in a position to actively compete with Youtube. They'd need to start letting any creator videos stay forever rather than being auto deleted after 14 days and allow straight video uploads on top of live streaming but it wouldn't be that difficult.\n\nObviously Twitch is just as bad as YT in many, many ways but Youtube is an desperate need of a disaster that can put them under for them to start thinking straight.", "I remember when espn removed the comments section underneath all their articles. Soft af", "European Court save us", "So your saying...you-tube and big tech are controlling narrative...stopppppppppppp", "Just make sure you're different than all the China fly by night sellers. Build a brand, have a website, contact info, etc. Just having those simple placeholders sets you apart from so many other sellers with no name brand names that even Google can't find, aside from their Amazon listings.", "Nobody wants extremes here - full privatization or full state controlled companies. \n\nThe corruption I see is in the government not properly classifying and regulating these corporations who collect our data and profit from selling it. They also profit from controlling the narrative similar to how news companies have a large influence on society - The Fourth Estate.", "Around a thousand comments on this video and nobody has said anything about this dude's voice? I want him to narrate EVERYTHING!!", "This is purely conjecture. Why would you have a user spend time on a different platform if they can get everything they want on YouTube? Previously they’d have to close the app and open tik tok, which is basically YouTube throwing add revenue out. If, instead, they can stay on YouTube and still get the satisfaction of short clips tailored to their preference (something that’s was recently proven to be a really popular feature elsewhere) you’d retain more of an audience and increase your own ad rev.", "Money is all that matters. Any bands that wanted to break free wanted to do it because they wanted 100% of the money for their work. It wasn't about the freedom, it was all money.\n\nOffer anyone in this thread who is shitting on Youtube a job as a streamer on Youtube making 6 figures a month to talk about toy cars and they'd abandon their family to become an expert on toy cars within the hour.", "Free speech doesn’t apply here. YouTube is a private company. They can censor anything they want to.", "And there ain’t shit we can do about it short of a revolution. Global capital already won. Corporations already won. Tomorrow a kid will use YouTube for the first time and there will be no dislike count. They won’t know any better, and you’ll forget about this just like everyone forgot how mad they were about losing the star system, unskippable ads, YouTube Red/Premium, and every other thing YouTube has done that has sparked this same outrage from Reddit.\n\nYouTube does everything in the interest of corporations and has for a long time. People in this thread saying “there goes the You in YouTube” and “cHiNa!!1!” are repeating the same shit people have been saying for 10 years.", "Like anything gone corporate these days. When the people at the top want it, they get it, all in the hopes that money keeps flowing. If ir doesn't they will backtrack and say \"We've listened\" but if it does make money they'll give you the classic middle finger", "Thank you! I've seen that app mentioned fairly often, but didn't find it in the Play Store, so I assumed it was iPhone only.", "They all do. Some economic systems require you to be a member of a council, while others require you to be members of a boardroom. They all incentivize greed at some level because there will always be positions of unchecked power near the tops of hierarchies.", "god damn youtube is the worst. i'm glad tiktok is taking their market share", "I don't think that thousands of reviews matters, because I used that logic and ended up with subpar items a few times. The only way I know if something is decent is if someone submits a picture or video review.", "I've noticed over the years that anecdotally, most products on Amazon have a much higher average rating than they used to. It seems like everything is a 4.5 rating or above these days, whereas many years ago it was much more common to see 2 and 3 star rated products.", "leave the review on YouTube's HQ location", "Yea I don’t understand why they don’t get it. They obviously don’t understand the rights they bitch about", "Amazon does both product and review pooling, so even if a review is \"real\" there is no guarantee that it is about the specific product or indicative of consistent quality. The review pooling gets really obvious when you read reviews for Amazon prime videos and half the reviews are talking about flaws of the DVD and BluRay releases.", "I'd recommend Vanced over newpipe if you like the look and feel of the current YouTube app", "We need a crowdsourced review site for everything. Run by the people", "The problem is there's maybe five people on the planet who can realistically build a competitor. Good luck convincing one of them to risk a massive portion of their fortune and years of their time building up a competitor when YouTube can then just 'turn a new leaf' for a month or two and crush them.", "It's actually Android-only.", "I just had this happen to me the other night. I was in bed and remembered i wanted to buy a Power Bank so i first browsed Amazon but then i went to YouTube and clicked a video that seemed interesting... but it had 50k views and 2k likes... now at this point i didn't know what to expect, i wasn't familiar with this channel, the comments were praising some of the tech he was showing while others shitting on it so i couldn't tell if 2k likes was small for the video, for all i known it could've been 2k likes vs 100 dislikes which is a healthy balance imo. Or could've been 2k likes vs 5k dislikes.\n\nI just skipped watching the video and bought a random cheap Power Bank.", "this is fake. why do you think he chose the smallest channel he could find? cause it was his friends lmao", "What matters is what the advertisers want, and if they don't like dislike counts on videos then the dislike counts go away.", "\"Don't you want more?\"", "Let me ask you something. Is omitting relevant information dishonesty? ...you know, lying by omission? ... are you honestly trying to say that marketing as a rule includes all relevant information...? Lmao\n\nAlso, what did I lie about? You’re delusional. As if being a Scot means anything... Jesus Christ, no wonder you’re in marketing! lol", "And I suggesting that perhaps it shouldn't be that way.\n\nWhen it's all the corporate entities that have all the control in our government, perhaps maybe we should have a conversation about our laws and rules.\n\nBut keep harping about what is instead of what could be, that will definitely help the situation.", "They unironically also hid those comments on twitter too lmao", "The future is now. I can't remember the last time YouTube let me leave a comment up. Sorry, but if I can't tell an alt-right troll to go fuck themselves, I have no interest in engaging with your platform. Went from mostly watching YouTube to keeping an eye on the two creators I actually give a shit about.", "I have 3 more use cases that i wanted to inquire about:\n\n* Ads on iPhone\n* Offline viewing/listening\n* playback with screen off.", "Amazon is known to copy best selling products from small companies, copy it sell it as amazon basics, and remove the other company from selling on Amazon due to \"uknown reasons\" they done it with all their Amazon basics and a big one was the Amazon Basics tripod, they copied it exactly them kicked them out of their site.\n\nAmazon can and is scummy when it wants to, they do it to smaller niche companies, oviously they wont do it to Logitech, Razer, Dyson etc because they will raise attention and cause an ordeal.\n\nThey take advantage of the small ones...", "Same with Nintendo. They got sued back in the day by universal for Donkey Kong/King Kong. Now they DMCA anyone that is so much as profiting off some gameplay from one of their games on YouTube.", "Yeah possibly, but when used correctly, statistic can be vaguely helpful. They can hopefully factor that in with a sufficient sample size.\n\nThe data will get increasingly fuzzy and there's just no way around it. It's still better than nothing though, right?", "I'm liking [Odysee](https://odysee.com/) so far, and it's already attracted a few creators that I'm subbed to on Youtube like Indy Neidel, laowhy86, and Shadiversity. It's got a long way to go, but I'm hopeful that it might actually be real competition down the road.", "Is there a reason creators aren't migrating to other sites, like Nebula?", "And I can let it play music while the phone is closed.", "Just have them comment with a link to this video.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/vC5JnJD9KzY", "[Marketing makes us unhappy.](https://hbr.org/2020/01/advertising-makes-us-unhappy) \n \nDress it up any way you want, but anything in life that LESS exposure to it is directly correlated with feeling happier is a pretty telling indicator. Marketing is manipulation, maybe not absolutely every aspect and we can argue here over how \"SEO\" people basically literally used bullshit marketing techniques on the definition of what they do to \"legitimize\" it, but it does not change the fact that the overall experience is that marketing is manipulation and a net negative on humans in general. \n \nThink about what all your marketer coworkers and professors and bosses have always said are \"the best\" ads, go back and look at them, why were they \"the best\" ? Because they manipulated emotions to sell a product REALLY freaking well. \n \nMarketers are a negative side effect of the rampant consumerism required to keep capitalism's unlimited growth model chugging along.", "Not by itself sure but the reason they are doing it is pretty evil", "Over 6 mil subscribers, he's safe.\n\nNow if someone with 600 subscribers had instead made that video word for word, the channel would be gone within minutes and any future channels they try to make would never get traction.", "They removed that moto ages ago. I think it's \"do the right thing\" now. And the right thing is follow money 100% of the time.", "Yes and to increasing degrees as time move beyond the cut off point.\n\nStill better than nothing though.", "chanfle", "Very few, though? I don't know. Depends on your lifestyle and desires.", "\"wood stoves, fireplaces, furnaces, water heaters, and gas laundry dryers\" - I don't have any of that.\n\nI do agree that everyone is susceptible to conspiracy theories and I probably do believe in some outstanding and popular lies really without realizing it.\n\nBut I know what I saw when it comes to my comments being edited on youtube. I just [explained](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7zjjm/comment/hn3wo6y/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) to another commenter the possible mechanics behind it but I cannot expect all of you commenters to read all of my comments in this thread. It would make things easier to all of us if you would read all of the questions I was asked and all of my answers.\n\nHuman memory is indeed something to play with but I noticed it too many times to think that I am lying to myself. It is not happening on reddit or any forum I am engaging. It happened only on youtube. So... Does my memory selectively choose my youtube comments as something that it forgets or modifies? That would probably be the weirdest case of that happening.\n\nIt should not be so hard to believe that youtube is manipulating comments as a rule to keep you focus and engagement. They are doing it all the time. Just check the same video from different hotspot, computer and account. You will see totally different comments on the top.", "Welp, Time to delete my google account.", "I wish I could gift you lol", "The Just us league", "\"So it's fudging then.\"", "Even for creators they hid the dislikes in a place where you have to go far out of your way to see them. They've made easy for creators themselves to just ignore it.", "Found the Youtube employee", "I'm not left or right. I just use my brain and don't just trust whatever a grifter sells me. Goes both ways.", "RemindMe! 5 Years", "A lot of brick and mortar places price match Amazon these days. I buy almost all my electronics at microcenter these days because of how easy it is to return stuff that didn't meet my expectations. Same with best buy but I prefer giving microcenter my business.", "So what's the alternative to YouTube. We bitch and moan but can we really do anything. They really have us by the balls here and there's not many options unless we all collectively move to another platform.", "Nope -- in this case, Fred makes a point to never say anything negative to anyone. I think this was probably one of the few times he's gotten riled enough to leave a negative comment of any kind.\n\nAnd bam.", "Protect from what? You were always able to disable dislikes and commenting on videos anyways", "So what's the alternative to YouTube. We bitch and moan but can we really do anything. They really have us by the balls here and there's not many options unless we all collectively move to another platform.", "“I’m not from America nor am I American, but let me know explain how things work in America to Americans”", "IIRC, Its a decentralised video platform that tries to compete with youtube.", "Lol. Look at who runs Youtube. What do they expect.", "Not fake. \n\nI'm one of the folks whose been walking through the issue with him.", "Stop paying for YouTube premium or whatever the hell it's called now. YouTube has not done a damn thing for over a decade now to make their site worth paying a service for. The service only exists yo get rid of all the obnoxious ads, something they put in place", "Rate it five stars then just talk about how shitty the place is.", "Can you explain how supporting Stephen Crowder would influence the executives at Alphabet/Youtube to not make their platform more advertiser friendly? Or why you picked those people specifically when many, many others saw this coming?", "Also S-tube on android TV. Which is another Google shower of shit that they've infested with ads.", "Can we all agree to stop using youtube? At least, minimize use?", "Google can remove it but if they leave dev mode it can be side loaded.\n\nIt's the best of a shitty situation really... ideally YT caves then all their work is for nothing.\n\nWell, probably not. Even if they bring it back, what can stop YT from culling or scaling dislikes on the sly? Be all logarithmic like...", "A few things (downvotes incoming): Youtube can do what they want. The dislike button has mostly become a protest button and not something that reflects the video creator's original intentions. There are a few channels on Youtube that deserve to have every video disliked genuinely, but many many more that were only disliked as a meme or weird punishment.\n\nIt's like giving the local burger place bad reviews because your ex-girlfriend works there. And then you share that same sentiment with your 1.8 million twitter followers who all go over and give the burger place bad reviews as well. That's not a joke. It actually has some very negative effects and helps absolutely no one. Thus the removal of the dislike button (which is still able to be clicked and the results viewed by the video creator).\n\nRemoving the dislike button number count for public view makes every bit of sense. Why is this an issue? Enlighten me.\n\nAnd so then leaving literally retarded comments about removing the dislike button certainly warrants deletion of those comments if not also some kind of warning. I'm a HUGE fan of making the internet a less toxic place. So when they shadow ban people for making toxic comments it, again, makes every bit of sense. Have you tried not being retarded?\n\n(The best inception moment would be this comment being deleted by reddit mods cuz of \"retarded\" lol)", "someone should take the chance to start an alternative to YouTube. which will probably end up just like YouTube in 15 year from now lol", "Which is fair. For that ONE comment. But that comment is not up -- every subsequent comment has been deleted. And for YouTube, the comment is pretty damned mild.", "YouTube TV exists. It already is another version of network TV.", "Cool, personal campaign to stir shit initiated. Thanks for the heads up.", "We need an alternative to YouTube that isn’t run by morons, this actually is too far.", "I'm calling it in 5 to 10 years. Youtube's decline happened gradually, took a few years to really get going. The next step in the decline will probably happen sooner than this recent step.", "YouTube slowly gonna die or turn into a streaming service. Oh well.", "As far as I remember Google requires that all its services are bundled with every Android phone sold or they will block a manufacturer completely. Only way you end up installing it manually is if you get a phone from a non mainstream manufacturer, manage to replace the default android installation or got the phone from a country where courts told Google just what they thought about these highly illegal and anti-competitive licensing agreements.", "Did the same a week ago. It's amazing how they did so much damage with such small change. The app is almost unusable. Why would I spend 10 times the time to read comments just to rank the quality of the video?\n\nJust think of how it promotes disinformation (\nIn the most sensitive time in recent history no less). Such an evil move. I won't be surprised if programmers stop working there.", "Yep, at first it will only be some channels, like big media ones, then more and more will be comment limited.", "This seems to be a pretty popular idea, that they're doing it for the sake of big companies, but I honestly think the reality is simpler than that.\n\nI think the end game is simply to just get rid of dislikes as a thing. There are billions, maybe trillions of videos on youtube, and storing how many dislikes each one gets probably costs quite a lot. Hiding the dislike count is just a way to get people used to not seeing it without causing too much outrage, and in a few months, maybe a years time, they'll just stop tracking it altogether.", "Oh...... No.....", "They took it away because people get so offended", "Nope -- worked with the guy to troubleshoot this. 100% not fake.", "If this is the hill you choose to die on...find a more worthy hill.", "Amazon's return policy has become a bit more of a pain in the arse over the last couple of years, requiring more hoops to be jumped through before actually the return gets accepted.\n\nAnnoys the shit out of me how they can handwave their obligation of retailer over to the 'seller'. I am really hoping it gets brought to UK court soon, because I don't doubt Amazon will get fucked over it.", "> a bot will delete anything it deems negative using keywords and account history\n\nKeyword filters already exist, but you'll have to get your own bot.\n\n> they'll only allow certain accounts to make comments\n\nThis already exists, has for a while.", "Unless you use yt on a smart tv. You still need premium to avoid ads there.", "If only there was another site in the worldwide web to post videos to! Somebody could make some money if they created a site to upload to and then let the broader community decide what they 'like' and 'dislike'. Just saying. There's prolly a market for something like this.", "YouTube is Yelp. \n\nGot it.", "Didn't say its bad. Didn't day it doesn't already exists.\n\nWhat I said is adding to the moderation tools under the guise of battling toxicity (which would be a good thing OBVIOUSLY) but a corporation like Google wouldn't do it out of the kindness of their hearts, but because of their most important motivation: making money. Which equals with pleases corporations and shitting on the users.", "Don’t forget the handy DL feature and background play, for 2€ it is definitely a steal :')", "Advertising is a result of capitalists thinking you owe their product your time.\n\nAnd people defend it, because it funds some of the shit they love.\n\nPass. Fuck ads. Use uBlock Origin. Use it everywhere.", "look what the cat brought back!", "Greed is a hell of a drug.", "Don't; I'm depressed enough already.", "Historically the US violently murders political activists (at least the leftist ones). The FBI straight up assassinated Fred Hampton and he was far from the only one.", "Why are they removing antivax stuff?", "Honestly I've also found that it's good to use multiple search engines because the results are skewed by other users. Google keeps insisting I want to find the kind of content that the lowest common denominator would want.", "It's an issue because now it is much easier to spread misinformation and lies without any sort of indicator that the video is legit. And don't get it twisted, this isn't about helping content creators avoid trolls, it's about advertisers and corporations who pay YouTube not wanting to be humiliated everytime one of their ads/trailers/announcement flops.", "It's their automated system against mass 1 star reviews. It's not only your review that was deleted.", "This is something that blockchain can actually solve, and there is a platform that is trying to do just that:\n\nhttps://odysee.com/", "/yawn\n\nOnly impacts youtubers, who are annoying anyway.", "> Pay to comment!\n\nWanted to point this out about them not liking direct feedback. TV shows loved direct feedback, they often put up phone numbers so you could pay for the privilege of giving it.", "enable comments chrome/edge extension. that is all.", "Anyways that's all ancient history so it doesn't matter anymore. So humble", "Make sure the fillters are up to date and YouTube isn't on the white list", "Many of them already shut their comments down. I've never seen an iTV (a British broadcaster) comment section be open.", "Peoples Republic of YouTube!", "Lol, that's every country. Killing or jailing the opposition was the norm before.", "For background play, settings->background & downloads, and picture in picture mode is under general", "Yup; I look for the lengthy reviews where a reviewer has actually put some effort in and talks like a real human being - listing some drawbacks on positive reviews - not a paid for review that hypes the product up.\n\nUnfortunately those are irregular.", "I feel like the main consequence is that \n\n* the sorting method for the deluge of small channels is worse\n\n* big corporate channels are protected from backlash against their stochastically out of touch marketing content\n\nUnless I'm really missing something, it seems pretty clearly stupid and greedy, in like a pretty mundane corporate way, not really evil. That's kind of a big word to throw at a marketing decision.", "Yah, sort of. The way the other guy is trying to frame it is that the dealer was able to just take down the review themselves, which obviously isn't the case.", "It says this post has been deleted..", "I'm sure they used that feedback to use it as a tool to improve their product so they could keep audience retention. That type of feedback also was for their eyes only and other viewers didn't see it. People also used to write to tv stations and get a reply back.", "because its what they think will lead to a short term profit gain", "Reddit makes extensive usage of shadow banning and shadow deleting. You have no idea. A massive chunk of comments on large subs just disappear for reasons unknown while the site lies to the user and makes them think their comment is still there.\n\nThis was touted as a way to deal with spammers, trolls, and ban evaders, but moderators use the feature for whatever the fuck they want to silently remove from discussion.", "No problem! There are other shortcuts like that, but I can’t remember them… I think bing is probably “b!”. Wikipedia might be “w!”", "I’m done with you. If you genuinely don’t think that there’s any inherent dishonesty involved with marketing, then you’re incapable of being honest with yourself. You’re already drinking the Flavour-Aid. \n\nYour job is to literally to highlight the good of a product and downplay and draw attention away from the bad. That’s literally what both marketing and lying by ommision are, my selectively honest friend.", "Yes.", "A lot of people who pay zero dollars to Youtube and have absolutely no intention of actually leaving the platform are upset. That's not pressure.", "Supporting corporate greed is evil.\n\nNot to mention is indirectly promotes blatant misinformation.", "I've tried to edit it a few times over the years to see if that would work but no joy. It's been long enough at this point that I'm not going to bother trying to delete and repost.", "The police state is now. Freedom of speech is dying before our eyes and due process was expunged in the name of Safety/ Security. Welcome to the Information Age.", "I think this will backfire though, as I fully expect people to start using the \"report\" functionality against videos they previously would just have given a dislike to.", "Reddit isn't far behind. The supported views is an echo-chamber circle jerk. I still enjoy Reddit though?", "I wish I could advise you my friend, but I don't know business - I'm just a frustrated consumer.", "Jesus christ, eat a dick youtube.", "Vimeo doesn't want the YouTube userbase. That isn't their target demo.\n\nIMO that is fine. It's gonna suck for the lazy people, but we wouldn't be in this mess if video services didn't become so overly centralized. We need to go back to the days where content was split up across numerous sites that cater to their own specific audiences.", "If YouTube isn't going to let you dislike content they should get rid of the 'like' button and comments too while they're at it.\n\nIf you're not allowed to say that you don't like something then all of the 'likes' become irrelevant.\n\nHaven't we seen this 'there is no light without darkness' theme before. Yin yang, Star Wars, Ninjago?", "Remember you leave a review on the play store and let them know how you feel about these changes", "Yeah, it's not feasible for everybody though and you need a somewhat big audience before you can make anywhere near the same amount from normal ad rev.", "That's clever", "There are \"story\" ads on Instagram. They offer free products that you get to keep and I was curious how it worked so I messaged one. Basically you get the product for free by giving them a positive review. I asked what if I didn't think it was good and reviews it honestly. They stopped replying instantly. Pretty sure they don't want you to state you got the product for free too. It's such bullshit.", "You're the one getting fucked. They are going to waste your time and possibly give you misleading content. Morally a far greater crime.\nJust think of the amount of misleading vids on covid that will spread.\n\n\nI hope the content creators move out to another platform.", "It’s been like this for years also most other sites including twitter and reddit. You’ve just finally realized you were being tricked.", "reddit is notorious for doing it.", "A youtube alternative sounds realll nice about now", "> Dumbest decision in the history of the internet\n\nI don't know if this even breaks the top 5 dumbest decisions Youtube has made.", "They cant stop terrorists or propaganda but they can stop a swear word … \n\nThey also cant stop soft pork on youtube kids or minecraft for adults on yt kids\n\n\nBut dislike buttons… assemble the troops!", "> worth their salt \n\nThis is the key. I'm half convinced that most UK B&M shops that are large chains survive because the general public trust them more than online retailers, not that the products are actually better. But that's not based on any kind of evidence, mind.", "I have a hard time believing this. I'm a level 6 local guide with several hundred reviews and over 7m views. I very rarely give 1 or 5 star reviews, but the 1 stars I have given have never been removed. I have had some where the owner disputes with a reply, but never removed.", "most amazon reviews are fake or bought & paid for. their weight & helpfulness is low these days.", "Its why I've sort of resorted to seeing if the item or thing has been discussed in reddit posts and reading the reviews of what people think who respond to them on reddit.", "That's Google. They're Alphabet now.", "> review bomb the YouTube app with 1* review NO COMMENT. Don't mention the dislikes counter.\n\nThis is literally why the dislikes were removed in the first place. And it's why your reviews are removed likely, because Google detected brigading and is automatically removing reviews, which will be reinstated later if found legitimate.\n\nPeople like you are the reason negative feedback will slowly be removed everywhere because your animalistic urges make legitimate feedback unreliable when abused, like you're trying to do now.", "I know, which makes sense when it's something specific - but I'm talking about finding kind of run-of-the-mill type purchases, not something people are likely to get hyped up and discuss.", ">Didn't day it doesn't already exists.\n\n>It's 100% going to happen.\n\nI think you misunderstand how the future tense works", "Honestly anything less than 100 reviews and is at a full 5.0 stars always sends me a red flag. I always assume the reviews were made by the business themselves. That may not be the case with your business, just stating how I interpret it when I see it.", "There's a plugin called \"Return YouTube Dislike\" that combines Google's API data and scraped data to restore a like/dislike bar.", "I'm in the UK too; do you use Which? Of the free access bits that I've come across I've not been won over enough to justify paying for the service.", "I would assume its because the replier thought you do it...since you stated its hard to do...which means you've done it. Even if it was only for 100% legit reasons, it means that its possible and what many places will do for less than legit reasons.", "Not yet. \n\nIt's got to happen someday though, I hope.", "Great username.\n\nAnd ya I'm with ya, I'm trying to setup a pihole, but it's Le Difficult", "The dislike count bring hidden isn't a bad thing. Get over it.", "So instead of watching the actual content I get a purple ad picture", "What's a hummer? She puts it in her mouth and hums?", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7kqea/videogamedunkey_dislikes_are_disabled/\n\nI'm curious what you did to try finding it, because it wasn't hard at all to find.", "\"He's just glossing over that\" Yeah because it's nothing, way worse shit is posted on YT on the regular. Referring to the downplaying of dislikes as a handjob is nothing and to cry about it is some hardcore puritan BS. \n\n\"Tweeted about them being bad\" yes good analogy \"and spray painted a penis on their window\" You see how you felt the need to add this almost as if you know it's BS so you had to add crazy stuff on the end to try to save your point. Plenty of people leave negative reviews aren't then banned for it and when that does happen vast majority of the time it the business being out of line not the customer.", "Hummer (stylized as HUMMER) is a brand of trucks and SUVs that was first marketed in 1992 when AM General began selling a civilian version of the M998 Humvee. Although discontinued in 2010, Hummer returned as a sub-brand of GMC in 2021.\n\nMore details here: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer> \n\n\n\nThis comment was left automatically (by a bot). If I don't get this right, don't get mad at me, I'm still learning!\n\n[^(opt out)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/ozztfy/post_for_opting_out/) ^(\|) [^(delete)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot/comments/q79g2t/delete_feature_added/) ^(\|) [^(report/suggest)](https://www.reddit.com/r/wikipedia_answer_bot) ^(\|) [^(GitHub)](https://github.com/TheBugYouCantFix/wiki-reddit-bot)", "I mean, that's my point kind of.\n\nBut as per my comment elsewhere, if I can I look for the longer reviews that discuss the product like a real human and include drawbacks - something that gives the sense that the person typing knows something about what they're talking about.", "They don't have dislikes, and you have to pay to host a large amount of videos, there.", "My guess is that you and the video creator are both shadowbanned, or the YT-equivalent.\n\nYou can see in the video after his comment is \"posted\" that the status is \"some comments may not appear yet\". Then the comment is \"deleted\" on reload, because it never posted to the site. It was entered into a temp table, the username was checked against a shadowban list, and the comment was dropped.", "I wonder how much of that is survivorship bias? Like, the bands that stick to their anti-label guns eventually die out, are forgotten, or never get popular enough to be remembered.", "It massively impacts the usefulness of YouTube. How is anyone supposed to know if a video is straight up low-quality (but not \"dangerous\" or \"harmful\" in a way that would get it removed) now? \n \nShowing only likes gives the patently false impression that no video can actually be bad and that every single one is instead varying degrees of good.", "I personally think online reviews are just bullshit. People rarely go out of their way to say something is good. It is expected to be. But if something is wrong, a bad review is almost guaranteed. \n\nThe saying is bad news travels 20 times faster. Meaning you will get one compliment to 20 complaints in a normal setting where reviews aren't forced.\n\nThen when they are forced, the customer is rarely accurate in answering questions. \n\nAnd how many people that flat out post fake reviews, either paid or not. Add in the extortion practices that these companies use to pay to remove bad reviews.\n\nIt's all a joke, and should be seen as a guide for you, not a true representation.", "There's a lot of right wing grifters who don't believe much of what they say, but there's enough Conservatives who will buy their merch that the grifters keep pandering to them to get that $$. \n\nCrowder is the one of the biggest grifters. He only cares about changes if they negatively affect him.", "I think, what's most heinous about this is that we've already been going in the very obvious direction that social media content is starting to substantially affect society and the individual world view of the average internet user. So moves like this are almost Orwellian in the sense that big data companies are more and more removing the agency, the feedback, the criticism. Soon they'll be spoonfeeding most of the population whatever information they want, and the ability to question it in any meaningful forum will just be nonexistent.\n\nI'm also not the type of person to cry \"1984!\" at all, but as a IT professional stuff like this is starting to scare me.", "If the snowflake channels can't stand the dislikes then give them an option to disable the likes and/or dislikes like they can do for comments then. It should be an option per video not forced on channels that aren't interested in it.", "Oh no doubt.\n\nBut I imagine the owner of a seller pandering cheap crap is less likely to pay for that kind of sneaky marketing.", "Part of the capital that these large companies have are the politicians they donate to specifically to NOT make this illegal. Capital that average citizens will never have.", "Creators aren't the ones you gotta worry about. It's the corporates.", "At this point I wouldn't be surprised if Satan Inc. was actually some super awesome non-profit", "&#x200B;\n\nHypothetical:\n\nI'm so angry at you disagreeing with me that I threaten to kill you. I look through your history and find enough personal information to dox you. Maybe I pass your name along, maybe I show up at your house. Let's say you survive the encounter and sue reddit. Lets say reddit deleted my dox threads, deleted by comment here and banned my account as fast as I made them\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThey should still be held legally liable for what happened to you as a publisher, as thats what would likely happen if a newspaper allowed their journalist to do this. Why? Reddit has no responsible in this scenario at all.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThat's why social media is exempt from publisher rules, even when they curate. Just because my insanity was on their service, doesn't mean they are responsible for it, even if they curate content (including likely mine)", "\"The US is different, freeze peach!\"\n\n\"No it isn't, they killed and jailed communists and civil rights leaders.\"\n\n\"lol every country does that.\"\n\nYou see how fuckin stupid that is?", "Yeah but these small changes are adding up and making it feel like YouTube is no longer the site for videos. \n\nIts now a content platform for content creators that make videos.", "Negative reviews specifically about an update to an app are against the Play store’s TOS. Only supposed to review the app as a whole.", "Yup, I know. But for the more generic things - I think cheap goods sellers are less likely to pay for someone to post about their no-name brand being amazing on Reddit", "Fucking morons lol. \"Take a screenshot of the missing comments\" \n\nAnd I thought you had to be a genius to work for Google. Shit, fuck leetcode, I'm gonna go apply for an engineer 3 position.", "Then let's spam them with negative reviews.", "I was talking about more severe tools. Which I said will happen. I'm aware there already are moderation tools.", "You can no longer tell as a YouTube user if a video actually has more dislikes than likes (indicating it's certainly one to avoid in basically all cases). All you can see is that it has XYZ number of likes, with the number of dislikes being entirely unknown. This has very obvious, significant negative repercussions on the general usability of the site.", ">It's their way of forcing you to watch 10 tutorial videos instead of one.\r \n\r\n\nAnd then trying to determine which video was actually giving the best, most accurate information. And to do that as a person who is not equipped make that determination in the first place.\n\nThis development - the removal of dislikes on Youtube - is one of the saddest and most disappointing developments on the internet in many years imo. It seems like a small thing, but it actually decimates our ability to obtain accurate and high-quality educational content.", "It's an anti brigade protection probably - but the fun thing is that for them brigading is everything where many people criticize the same thing. So it they make a bad update and people complain, it's viewed as brigading.", "Exactly this. Conservatives have been calling this shit out for the past several years. This is all about controlling the narrative.", "\"The page\"? Well, here's my source. What's yours?\n\nhttps://gizmodo.com/google-removes-nearly-all-mentions-of-dont-be-evil-from-1826153393", "Youtube policy makers are assholes.", "If you look at the recent reviews, you'll see a ton of bots on there throwing in 5 star reviews with generic \"good app\" comments.", "Can't even get people to leave the toxic cesspool that is Facebook, let alone YouTube.", "Use Vanced YouTube for YouTube premium features without supporting the fking platform", "The problem really isn't censorship as much as it is huge companies taking whatever means necessary to make advertisers happy. Censorship is just part of that, coca-cola (rightfully) doesn't want their product advertised by qult members, so its just a byproduct that alt right goons get \"canceled\" when they are de-platformed/demonetized for talking some bullshit.", "Now compare magnitudes.", "More like SelectFewTube", "Finally someone else notices the extreme censorship in Youtube. I've experienced this when I used to write comments, they'd be deleted. I've tested it. It only happened when I typed certain words like swear words. But not just swear words. Specific words and sentences. I did thorough testing. Tried a bunch of different um... offensive phrasing. Just for for testing. Deleted within 20 seconds always. Exactly 20 seconds.", "I just checked to see if mine was still there. and yep, its removed", "My source is the page they link at the top of your article:\n\nhttps://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/\n\nCheck the archive links in that article. Even they have the motto in there. This was shit reporting by clickbaity tech blogs and every Redditor took the bait. The phrase has always been corporate bullshit but it was never removed.", "You actually have to read the reviews and judge if they seem legit.", ">Why does advertising have to ruin everything...\n>\n>Could they just try not sucking so much ass\n\nLate stage capitalism yeeehaaaaw! All hail the infinite growth! No thinking! Consoom!", "Exactly. I'm tiling a bathroom at the moment and Wednesday night I had a question on doing tiles in the niche. Guess who doesn't know if a video is useless until I watch it? I fucking hate it.", "It might resemble it, but it's not shadowban, I have some youtube channels that I criticized in the comments, today I can still see my comments years later, but if I switch an account or go to that video in incognito my comments are gone. So actual shadowbanning exists in YT.", "I believe urban dictionary could provide you the best answer here.", "Your last point there is basically my opinion, too. \n\nInsofar as it's a legitimate problem for some small creators, they already had the tools at their disposal they needed when it comes to dislike brigades. \n\nDefinitely not sufficient cause to remove public dislikes wholesale.", "Oh the irony. Just wow. Someone who works in marketing just told me to stop spreading misinformation. Lmao\n\nIt’s telling that you didn’t even try to address my points, you just kept your head firmly planted in your… delusion. \n\n\nsmh", "Uploaders can already disable comments if they want to, have been able to for years. So you have that backwards", "Unfortunately it's because everyone wants YouTube free, which means someone has to pay and that payer is advertisers", "I love the fact that google motto used to be « don’t be evil ».", "I think it's the other way around; YouTube is testing ads that bypass adblockers, but only for a certain portion of users", "It’s like governments and big companies when given too much power always end up being authoritarian.\nSuck it. You allowed this.", "Depending on what it is, I look at review channels (on youtube, ironically enough), or where it's made.\n\nIf it's complicated (a tool, machinery, electronic, whatever), look for video reviews.\n\nIf it's dead simple (drill bits, batteries, etc.) look for where it's made. German steel drill bits will last forever. Chinese steel bits will untwist the first time you try to use them (but they'll only cost 1/3rd the price!).", "I have YouTube premium, I could stop paying as a form of protest, but where am I going to go? There is no alternative put there", "What happened to ‘it’s a private company they can dictate what they want on their platform’?", "\"Themtube.\"\n\nAlright internet, do your thing.\n\nWe should be able to see photoshopped logos at the top of r/all by the end of the day.", "That's exactly what they're going to do. People complaining while they continue to use YouTube isn't pressure. It's their entire business model. They don't give a fuck what you're using it for, so long as the content is acceptable to advertisers and you're using their service.\n\nThey surely knew there would be backlash. There's no pressure being applied by it", "don't do evil eh ?", "The system isn't broken, it's just working as intended.", ">And I suggesting that perhaps it shouldn't be that way.\n\nSo you think private business owners should be forced to serve and accommodate you? How do you feel about gay wedding cakes?\n\n>When it's all the corporate entities that have all the control in our government\n\nYour government is already controlled by corporate lobbyist, they just aren't the ones you think are \"opressing\" you. See BP, Phillip Morris, etc etc.\n\n>But keep harping about what is\n\nClarifying the difference between being censored and being banned from a private place is not \"harping about\" fucking anything.", "It used to be platform to share silly clips and make lets plays and stuff like that , now its just money making machine .\n\nAnd anything that may disrupt the overlords is just nuked out of existence . Simple as that .\n\nThey dont care about their content creators all they care about is pleasing the advertisers", "if you've never heard of FakeSpot, you should try it! they have an extension that is compatible with Amazon, yelp, and other websites and scans for fake reviews and accounts. it's pretty helpful", "Yes, because anyone gave a shit about dislikes lol. If youtube dislikes were driving your consumption habits you have an issue. Try using better methods in finding truth about something.", "YouTube used to have this feature by default a few years ago but quietly removed it one day, and then added background play as a premium feature later on. Ughhhh", "They could hide the rating (likes/dislikes), but this would show as if nobody had liked nor disliked it.\n\nThe new method still shows likes, so a controversial video will just show as being heavily liked.\n\nAn example of this is the YouTube comments. Did you ever see a disliked comment? The dislike button on comments has been a placebo since the Google+ integration. Try disliking and the counter won't go down.", "The guys at Donut Media show a yellow bar at the bottom of the screen to show the duration of the ad.", "These are the shops who shut down and blame their patrons for not spending enough", "These megacorps aren't trying to be good or evil, they'll just do whatever they can to promote short term profits/growth - they don't give a shit about you or me, or anyone else unless it affects their bottom line", "You underestimate the concept of a monopoly, there is a reason we pretend to have laws against them.", "Canary testing", "Goddamn this. I've been watching videos on fixing my game consoles and I don't know if I'm wasting time or not. I have to comb through the comments instead of just looking at the dislikes. Fuck YouTube.", "They will lol. It hasn't even been a week and this video is pretty unsubstantiated lol. The dude thinks his comments are banned because he \"criticized youtube\" lol. People on social media think they are way more important they are. Thar being said, all the social medi peasants will eat this up.", "Not if a judge can rule that the company serves a public function. Companies like YouTube, twitter, etc are at this point basically news networks. They distribute massive amounts of news, and the general public looks to them for information. They can't hide behind \"we're a private company\" forever.", "I left a negative review for some shit app on the Google play store and the next day I'd check and it would be gone. \n\n\nI did this maybe a dozen days in a row and gave up.", "They took the easiest solution that caused the biggest reaction just above doing nothing at all. Then they tried to dress it up as a good thing to stop the evil \"dislike attacks\".\n\nI'm sure that those attacks happen but you know what happens much more often? Clickbait videos with no relevance to their titles, videos stuffed with ads and stretched out more than a school assignment. Those get free reign now.", "It would be great if someone made a website that scanned the code of videos to see the dislike ratio, iirc when you download videos you still see the dislike counter and it must still exist in the code somewhere", "That's a hilarious scenario where even the honest business owners have to cheat the system. The internet really is turning us all into criminals, isn't it?", "This is temporary, to defend the US from paid clickfarmers.", "PeerTube, guys. PeerTube!", "Let's say that I'm looking for a YouTube video that describes how to calibrate a specific type of machinery.\n\n- Video 1 has 1,800 likes.\n\n- Video 2 has 700 likes.\n\nI'm probably going to trust the instructions in Video 1. But what I won't know?\n\n- Video 1: 1,800 likes....*but 32,000 dislikes\n\n- Video 2: 700 likes...but 2 dislikes\n\nKnowledge is power.", "A court already ruled saying that what yelp does is legal. \n\nIf it makes you feel any better they called me about trying to get me to pay for advertising through them and I wasted 2 hours of the reps time before I told them I wasn't interested.", "What I am enthusiastic about is that there is no obvious alternative. Having more than one site to search for interesting content might seem like more work but it could actually make filtering a bit easier. Youtube search algorithm is horrible for years now and being able to just go to another website with search engine focused on different type of user could be much more useful to all of us. Most \"content creators\" promoted by youtube are focused on entertainment. They are already fixated on pleasing the almighty youtube algorithm.. Maybe they should stay there and people that want to present something else than \"[fun](https://c.tenor.com/-lF82nEOjoEAAAAM/fun.gif)\" could present it in more approachable ways on other websites focused on other type of audience.", "I absolutely understand and feel you, and youre right - but I'd like to add that from my perspective perhaps we could get other users here to monitor where your comment was placed, and verify it's been changed. ESPECIALLY if it was altered without a edited sign, because that's something you cannot as a user do. \n\nI completely feel you, but I hope you can see that there is still ways to verify your claim if your comment becomes edited without the edited notification, and other users here are willing to check once you've made the comment and once you claim it has been edited.\n\nIm not doubting you at all brother, but let's not give up on this opportunity is all, 10 minutes of work could really pay off and show what youtube has been doing with comments, and how far it's gone. Otherwise we let them do this in darkness and walk away from it smirking \n\nGive it some thought is all, much love!", "Maybe not the worst thing in the world, those comment sections have been toxic for a long long time…\n\nPersonally Kinda surprised they didn’t do that first", "ouch", "There are many companies and certain individuals that do have that kind of money though, just none with a passion for video making I guess", "It would be great to have some kind of website that just uses youtube for embedding purposes and the community side of things is handled elsewhere.", "Wait, is this the real reason Ludwig got banned.", "> They should \n\nkey word: should\n\nit isn't \"will be\" until section 230 is changed\n\nyou think people go after twitch when they get swatted?", "Lets not talk about reddit's lack of notification when your comments are deleted.", "sure didn't see you say \"(((them)))tube\", then reply to me with \"oy vey\"", "Bad dislike ratios create a compounding effect where people will join the mob simply because they now know there is one. The same thing happens on Reddit where a person makes a reasonable comment that goes against the hivemind at the time and it'll be downvoted a bit and then get absolutely slaughtered by them. Someone will make the same exact comment but if it collects upvotes first it will then receive a ton of upvotes instead. Hence a large reason most subs enforce score hiding for a limited time to try and combat this.\n\nThis is an issue for corporations because that compounding hate can turn into an actual PR problem.", "I had a company do this to me once. I reviewed them on everything I could and added that they were silencing me in the places it was removed. The company reached out to me to apologize and asked if I would take down the follow up reviews. I told them 'no, but thanks for the apology.'", "Neo-Bolshevik shit", "I'll just take your word for it. Thanks for the heads up.", "I just left a 5 star one that starts off like it's praising YT, then points out the flaw in viewers being unable to see the like/dislike ratio. Let's see how long it takes to get struck down.", "Standard shutting comments down is something different than giving the creators a choice. A choice that also leads to them having less engagement. Which has an effect on the way their videos perform in the algorithm.", "Listen bud the world's black and white, there's no nuance", "Canceled Premium yesterday. Ain’t going back. Idiots.", "It’s almost like the US is a police state", "But... dislike button presses count as engagement...", "If you're into tools and stuff, check out Project Farm on youtube. The host puts a bunch of items to various brutal tests.\n\nI watched a 16 minute video of him testing tape measures", "The Linus Tech Tips channel has an exact 20 second ad/intro that you can skip by pressing \"L\" twice.", "Ye i got an offer like that to review some lightening cables I ordered. Haven’t done it yet because I thought it was against the tos for merchants to offer that. Yet THEY never seem to get into trouble for it.", "I pretty much only read the 1 and 2 star reviews these days. If those are all petty, pointless complaints then I know the product is at least decent.", "There are upsides to it being a paid product, though. You know how they say \"when a product is free, you're the product?\". If a service derives it's income by making creators pay for the service, there's less incentive to manipulate algorithms, aggressively spy on users, and shove as many ads down everyone's throats as possible.", "Google is still an incorporated subsidiary of Alphabet", "How do you know if a 20 minute DYI video is any good before watching it?", "did you try giving it a positive review to see if the error magically disappears?", "First off, the numbers you listed for dislikes are obviously WILDLY unrealistic so that's basically a strawman. Also there are literally dozens of other ways to tell how useful a video will be without watching it. Also in the worst case scenario you wasted 3 minutes of your life skimming what is obviously not a good video maybe 5 times in your life total. Damn what lifesaving information. \n\nAnd if all that wasn't enough to show this is not a good argument that ignores the fact that there is a very clear upside to hiding the dislike. Just because it isn't helping YOU doesnt mean it's bad.", "There is no evidence of Widespread censorship on Youtube comments and Google reviews", "\"You* don't be evil. Leave that up to us.\"", "You can no longer see if a video is utter bullshit before investing time watching it.", "Me thinks I shall consider canceling my premium", "Almost as dumb as when a bunch of people collectively decided to give their money to women who don't even see them as humans.", "This is most likely just the same guy on his phone removing the comment just to get people riled up against YouTube.", "Are you a fucking retard on purpose or what?\n\nIf nobody fucking cared, then why is everyone fucking talking about it? What do you think is happening in this fucking thread? Bunch of people who just like oh I don't really care I'm just going to stir shit up for no fucking reason. Do you really think that's how people work?\n\nIt never ceases to amaze me just how fucking stupid and ignorant people can be. But people like you definitely are a constant reminder of that fact.\n\nNow go cry in a corner fucking stupid baby", "God damn, you just cut their premium members in half!", "review sites are scams for this reason. If you are business owner on yelp for example, you have access to all those reviews and can tailor them how you see fit.", "FUCKING FASCISTS!", "Could he be deleting his own comment on a second device like a phone for the video?", "Oh shit forgot about this. Google Play was the shit.", "When they announced that I went to the site to try to save as much as possible. Turned out they have already been deleting stuff for years. You could only see back 1 year or so. RIP my entire teenage years.", "The NY Times has a page called wire cutter that had excellent reviews you can trust", "> I replaced TV with YouTube and I bet most people under 35 did that as well.\n\n...no? Online content creators are no match for well written tv shows.", "So the argument here is that youtube is secretly banning negative comments on removing the dislike button but they perfectly OK leaving a video up apparently showing this practice is occurring?", "This is a key point, but those invested in the 'America is inherently evil' have built too much of their political and personal identity around this idea and to reconsider is too painful so it's easier to double down.\n\nAlso, this is Reddit which is full of inexperienced and dogmatic people, which doesn't do the truth much justice either.", "I'm having the same issue where if I comment on any video, it is deleted right after and it started after YouTube decided to remove the dislike count.", "Again, that comment was not removed.", "Fuck this whole thing is going downhill FAST", "Sort of? I've never paid for onlyfans but isn't it basically \"I'm gonna give you money to see you make porn,\" which is sort of like just paying for a porn subscription. I'm not going to do it myself but I get the idea of subscribing because they actually get to see the content. \n\nI'd say donating to titty streamers on twitch is far dumber because you're not actually getting anything out of it.", "Youtube has been the new cable/TV ever since like 2016 when everyone and their mom and their 9 year old nephew got a smartphone. \n\n\nIt’s become trashy like Facebook.", "As long as the bad orange man is gone its a small price to pay! /s", "I don't use Amazon much personally, but a friend does and she returns a ridiculous amount of merchandise back to Amazon. She relies less on reviews now and just uses her own opinion. She also keeps a ridiculous amount, so there's that. I've heard Amazon cancels accounts if you abuse returns. YMMV.", "This addon will work for a couple more weeks https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/ \n \nAre you gay, or are the aliens gay?", "I turned em back on 😏", "theres like twitch buts thats mainly gamers, and titty streamers. It cost google billions a year to maintain such a platform like YOutube, that is why they are so anti-ad blocking and into alot advertisement money.", "I can't wait to see the dislike count on this comment :)\n\nYou're dead on correct and it's honestly pretty fascinating how much outrage this is causing. I personally love the idea that everyone from politicians to video game punishers to shadowy corporate overlords are behind the move when it's clearly just a very bad feedback signal primarily used in bad faith.", "First of all, fuck Youtube, and fuck this new butthurt culture. \nlet us comment what we think, just look at reddit, its not perfect , but its a lot more activity and honest", "I'm the ONLY person who doesn't seem to mind and actually LIKES the dislike being gone.", "> to the people saying \"you can't tell Google to remove a review\" \n\nMy Ex's father had a paving business and would get a few reviews removed every month. Most of them were genuinely ridiculous - People leaving a 1 star review because someone on his crew left a 5G bucket on their sidewalk or something. But still... It's possible. And yes, he advertised a ton through Google.", ">“fuck you”\n\nDoesn’t get any better than that fellas", "Lol OK, how many times has that happened to you? I've been using YouTube since it was a thing and maybe once dislikes played a role in what I watch.", "Lol this has never been a thing.", "Sounds like Google's turning into Hooli", "I once had my channel banned because I said \"This reminds me of a stonetoss comic.\" on a livestream chat for a different channel. It took about 16 hours to happen.\n\nI appealed and it got unbanned, but ever since then my faith in youtube has been exactly zero.", "ewww what a furry freak 🤮", "Someone make a new YouTube please! They’re evil now!", "Also distrust positive reviews that read like they were written by a marketing department.", "Cool thing with google is if enough “accounts” flag a business as closed google will AUTOMATICALLY mark them as permanently closed on google when you search them up.", "Lol nobody will give a shit just like nobody really gives a shit about dislikes.", "We truly are on the worst time line.", "Sorry man, I feel bad for you, but I'm not paying DOUBLE just because you have to make rent. \n\nI can see like $5 over MSRP. But $40 on a $25 MSRP game is 60% over MSRP. $100% over the website from the maker. No.\n\n\nFigure it out, or go under. Maybe you need to reevaluate your business model.", "Worst of all the conspiracy arguments about it being for big corpo, politics etc. aren't even that crazy. But the people sure do prove these companies right...", "If you are receiving 10 bad tutorial videos from your searches, that sounds like a you problem.", "Oh 100%", "I tried the \"Like this comment if you dislike this video\" on Rewind 2018 to see what would happen. Nothing, never even appeared after several checks, not even deleted as they wouldn't even publish it.", "You don't need to do it to know it isn't easy. I have a marketing department, I have to know the business and how everything works whether I do it or not. If someone from a competing establishment leaves a bad review in bad faith, I have to know I have the means to dispute it. \n\n You don't need to stab someone to know it's gonna kill them if you do. Likewise, you'd know how to stab someone even if you've never done it. \n\nSometimes I wonder if anyone on this site is over 15 anymore.", "Do you think it's possible that it's just a mistake and not a grand conspiracy.. :/", "Lol I totally agree. People are so unbelievably dishonest.", "The misinformation point is an interesting one but I don't believe the dislike button has ever been a reliable way to judge a video. Plenty of PragerU videos had very good like ratios while simultaneously rewriting history and pretending it was true. And then there are plenty of CNN videos that simply report on a few facts, have a few pundits hash it out, then move on that have like 95% dislikes.\n\nThe specific, public viewable, \"Dislike\" button on Youtube has never been a reliable source of anything other than the \"oh cool it looks like a lightsaber\" or \"this video has exactly even likes and dislikes, keep it that way\" memes.\n\nYour point about advertisers is definitely the most prudent observation to be made but you know, that's how creators get paid. I like creators.", "I'm a Marxist friend. I believe a stateless (and therefore moneyless) society is inevitable. But I also believe we need to change to a negative-interest, non-fiat currency to help get us there. By doing so, you take away the ability for sociopaths who believe in neoliberal capitalism to use money to achieve their goals.", "change my mind but youtube should be put under a new type of freedom of speech law that dictates a certain way of neutrality and critique. Since youtube has become a major part in the forming of political opinions and sharing culture it is straight up unacceptable that yt is run by one company who can basically do with their platform whatever they want. Politics should have a saying in how companies run these platforms. Otherwise corruption will dominate.\nYoutube shouldnt be able to sabotage certain videos, likes or anything like that to promote an ideology or anything else. Youtube is too big to be left alone when they do shit like this.", "This was my experience with Apple laptop chargers. Real looking ones from Amazon lasted maybe a year, but eventually I went to best buy and got a real one at a higher cost, but it's lasted 4 years now with no issues.", "Lol \"open forum\" \"youtube\"", "Reddit is owned by Chinese companies.", "~~Oh wow you completely misunderstood.~~\n\nIt was me all along lol\n\n~~No, they shouldn't.~~\n\n&#x200B;\n\n~~Notice how you didn't actually answer the question? Explain why reddit should be responsible for that scenario. That's a ludicrous claim~~", "The concept of censoring content that your ads run on is hilarious to me because you are alienating a huge audience by doing so", "I don't believe that people consult the dislike count before choosing to carry on watching a video or not.", "Nothing like paying your bills off the hard labor done by others, am I right?! Exploitation five!", "And yet, presenting likes vs. dislikes is still one of the strongest gauges to determine the quality of the content presented.\n\nI'm not sure what the tangible benefit of removing the dislikes would be, except for maybe coddling the low self-esteem of content creators with many dislikes on their video.\n\nThere's literally zero benefit to the consumer.", "Yeah, like reddit never imposes any kind of censorship", "MSRP even says in the name \"suggested\" - it's not a hard rule.", "People definitely give a shit about dislikes... they're one of the only ways to properly \"filter\" content on YouTube by quality. You can't possibly be suggesting that everyone wants to have to watch a video just to find out if it's bad.", "Both google and Yelp charge restaurants to help keep their reviews positive. They have the power to do that to their own platforms for free.", "Lol no they aren't. The social media peasants will be over it in a week.", "No surprise, since when the censorship started happening people didn’t care because they disagreed with the people being censored. YouTube felt like they could get away with it.", "Not with that attitude - if anything it seems like the market is ripe for a platform that let's people post the content they want to post. Scoop all that up for ten years then turn on the ads and starting juicing money out of it. Classic move imo", "At this point, I can't trust anything Amazon sells. Far, far too many knock-offs and low-quality junk products. I've ordered enough (\"ooh, this looks like a deal\") only to be let down (breaks just after return period).\n\nAnd their horrible search system which lacks any useful filters wasn't helping me stay with them either. Impossible to find niche products.\n\nBut ultimately what drove me away is the fact that I realized I was destroying my own local economy by buying from them.", "Hmmm if only there were some political ideologybentirely based around abolishing unjust hierarchy that also strives for a set of equitable economic conditions. Oh well, guess we give up", "I still have like/dislike on mobile. Maybe because I haven’t updated the app?", "It was an option. I'm not sure of your level of knowledge but you're behind. The dislike button is not some great paragon of free thought, it was overwhelmingly a simple way to create meta jokes like \"it looks like a lightsaber lol\" or to protest political opinions. Like when CNN covers a school shooting, the video gets overwhelmingly disliked because people think the school shooting didn't happen. That doesn't help anyone. Let's be real.", "so if they shouldn't, then section 230 shouldn't be changed\n\nI don't see your argument. I'm simply pointing out them censoring things is legal", "It's because people were targeting creators they didn't like and looking to abuse that system. That's literally the reason this was changed and is very clearly stated to be the reason.\n\nYouTube doesn't cater only to consumers. I'm confused how you don't seem to get that.", "I do Vine reviews for Amazon (have done since the program started). As of about a year ago, all of my 3 star or less reviews take forever to get approved, where any 4 or 5 star review is approved in hours or days.\n\nI have some 1 and 2 star reviews I wrote a month ago that are in approval limbo, but one I wrote yesterday (5 stars) was approved in 3 hours.\n\nAll systems are broken. There is no way to trust any ratings for anything these days.", "Monoplies are the consumers worst enemy", "An awful lot of them hype up the \"interact with me\" aspect when trying to bring in new suckers. I don't see it as all that different to titty streamers on Chatturbate, except it isn't even live.", "You just get everyone that works there to report it as inappropriate. We have to do this for stupid reviews left at our school all the time.", "Yeah, but when youre 60% over MSRP, sorry I have some sense of self respect.", "I'll forward you my next client, you can show me how it's done.", "It helps them because you will likely watch more videos overall. Instead of seeing a lot of downvotes and moving-on (without watching), you will watch the video and they get to stream ads with it. You will dislike the video, and continue hunting for the next video to hopefully enjoy.\n\nYou waste your time because you can't rely on public opinion, and they make more money because you will watch more content overall looking for a better video. This is an advertiser's dream - for you to watch things you do and do not like, and get shown advertisements for all of it.", "I would disagree. I think the dislike button does a fantastic job weeding out misinformation. I use YouTube for tutorials on a lot of different subjects and such. There have been many times where an unusually high dislike count has saved me from following bad advice, or outdated information.\n\nDon't even get me started with things like flat earther content or other completely insane conspiracy theories. These videos are often heavily disliked and that's a good thing!", "youtube has been deleting edgy comments for a long time now.\n\ni made a post about this some months ago on the youtube reddit and it was deleted and i got banned from r/reddit", "There is also the fact that people will somehow post reviews under someone else's name like what happened with me. I manually deleted them all and there was no noticeable activity on my amazon account but somehow there were multiple reviews. I got in contact with Amazon and they even noted there wasn't any other logins outside of my own. I still got emails saying I reviewed stuff.", "It's not even advertising, it's the mealy mouthed middle managers that try to pass as humans. Everybody there is middle management, janitor to ceo", "They never removed it, it's still there, see for yourself: https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/", "> I used to review a lot on Amazon but recently they've started auto-modding my reviews, and it seems to catch negative reviews a hell of a lot more than positive ones. Impossible to prove a bias, but good reviews sell products, and amazon is in the interest of selling products\n\nI just posted this comment before I read yours. tl;dr you're right to be suspicious.\n\n\"I do Vine reviews for Amazon (have done since the program started). As of about a year ago, all of my 3 star or less reviews take forever to get approved, where any 4 or 5 star review is approved in hours or days.\n\nI have some 1 and 2 star reviews I wrote a month ago that are in approval limbo, but one I wrote yesterday (5 stars) was approved in 3 hours.\n\nAll systems are broken. There is no way to trust any ratings for anything these days.\"", "[Use the youtube dislike button extension to bring it back!](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)", "Not being evil...", "This is to protect Disney. Once their current set of flops finish their cycle then YouTube will reinstate the dislike button with a \"we listened to your feedback!\" style post. They're concerned that the negative ratings on movie trailers are affecting ticket sales by influencing public opinion. Hollywood is turning out to be another COVID casualty and they're gasping for air.", "I do too, but it’s still best to look at reviews across the board. My effort depends on the product and/or price but if enough reddit comments, Amazon reviews, random blog/review sites, and even big box stores give a consistent idea of the quality or lack thereof (with a grain of salt since more people complain than not) then I’m more aware of what I might be buying. \n \nLike a 5 star product is suspicious and often disappoints, but a 3.5-4 star product (even 2-3 star sometimes) that is generally said as “well it’s not great but gets the job done”, maybe with a few “it was wonky but here’s how I fixed it” or “these other reviewers are idiots; it’s not meant to be used/cared for that way, just do this”, is likely to be in my home for a good while.", "You show up with a gun, wait until they approach you, and gun them down and claim self defense with no survivers. Dead men tell no tales.\n\n(Check your state for local laws. Do not attempt while POC)", "It's terribly sad that this will still not be enough to get the people in charge changed out or the general direction they are going second guessed. \n\nIt's probably too late for a good, legit successor to YouTube and the good ideas that came with the plattform are now forever lost to corporate interests.\n\nI recently downloaded the add-on for my browser that allows me to see the dislikes again and I can only say that it helps me navigate through the videos, I know what is most likely garbage, because I can see the downvotes and it spares me time and nerves.\n\nI think Susan should consider having intercourse with herself for questionable leadership of YouTube.", "Well, now we're talking about two different things. \n\n- YouTube catering to their content creators\n\nvs.\n\n- The overall usefulness of the \"like v. dislike\" buttons\n\nAnd the second bullet does not support the take that \"The dislike count bring hidden isn't a bad thing.\" \n\nAs a business decision, I absolutely understand why YouTube are taking these actions. That doesn't mean that it's creating/representating more quality content for its users. Like, at all.\n\nIf anything, it's doing the exact opposite.", "I have a great solution. On every video the owner should comment DISLIKE. And everyone who dislikes should “like the comment” it should accurately show the dislikes without having the dislike button counter. But the first comment is always just as popular if not more than the actual like counter.", "Isn’t it possible that they just banned him for the use of handjob? That seems like something they might just have an auto filter for.", "amazon removed the ability to reply to other peoples review. alot of those reviews are often false and not even related.", "I don't want to dive too much into this but OnlyFans was only making this decision because their payment processors weren't willing to work with them if they didn't change their content. If OnlyFans can't get money, they can't pay creators. And that's a much worse ordeal. \n\nAlso, this is only delayed for now. I expect OnlyFans to make policy changes sometime in the future.", "Do you think it's possible that you just made a strawman argument?", "I can pop on and give you an illegitimate 1-star review if you want.", "I fight the good fight there. I go once a week to spam dislike on every post and like every post about dislikes. Join in on the fun!! There’s actually some hilarious memes", ">This seems to be a pretty popular idea, that they're doing it for the sake of big companies, but I honestly think the reality is simpler than that.\n>\n>I think the end game is simply to just get rid of dislikes as a thing. There are billions, maybe trillions of videos on youtube, and storing how many dislikes each one gets probably costs quite a lot. Hiding the dislike count is just a way to get people used to not seeing it without causing too much outrage, and in a few months, maybe a years time, they'll just stop tracking it altogether.\n\nNo. Dislikes are only a \"long\" in the database, just like the likes. Storing it doesn't cost shit, especially compared to the videos itself. Changing the DB to remove it is infinitely more work than keeping it.", "The ones that rustle my Jimmie’s are when the reviews aren’t for the products in the listing but some adjacent product put out by the same seller.", "Dam bro. How serious is that Autism", "> \"Drone better.\"\r\n\r\n~ Ivan Vanko", "Imagine being such a fucking lunatic that you think that a fellow citizen who works hard, pays taxes, votes, and has literally dedicated their professional career thus far to humanitarian work is a “parasite” on society because you’ve been conditioned by corporate advertising to believe that all marketing work is manipulative and evil.\n\nGo fuck yourself, asshole. I work my ass off for not enough money in a job that I love because I get to see the positive impact my organization makes on people every single day, AND because it’s literally my job to tell people about it. I’ve done that in every single job I’ve ever had since I graduated college because I didn’t want to be a part of a corporate marketing department and contribute even more directly to the unsustainable culture of consumerism than I do by just living my life.\n\nGet absolutely FUCKED.", "dumbest idea since reddit implemented those dumb fucking avatars", "We all knew this was what they were actually trying to do. It helps no one but them and the brands they want to support.", "Just because Google is evil now doesn't mean you have to follow suit, bastard.", "After paying for youtube premium for years now, the removal of dislikes was the last thing I wanted. Goodbye membership and hello adblocks. Fuck you youtube.", "i generally ignore the reviews that say great or anything because it gives no description of the product they reciewed, i often look at the 1-3 stars, and those reviews are alot more truthful, i look for the reviews with a pattern.", "Is this animation weirdly sexual or did I spend too much on internet?", "I am not doubting you, but I've left a half-dozen one star reviews over the past 3 years and they're all still there. However, they were decently lengthy and included photos.", "I literally downloaded and ad-blocking browser just to watch YouTube on mobile. I could deal with the previous standard of skipping ads after 5 seconds or watching a single 10-15 second ad, but what YouTube has done is increase the initial ads to FAR longer than before and introduced infuriating mid-video ads that encourage content creators to make their videos as long as possible regardless if they have enough content or not.\n\nIt's gotten to the point where even if it'll take me as long to get to the ad blocking browser and find the video as it would be to just get through the video, I'm doing it.", "the positive reviews giving little or no description is useless to me. I do look at the negative because im trying to find out if theres a trend of a defective or bad product.", "Thats definitely illegal in EU.", "Didn't you know? Any disapproval is \"brigading\" and \"harassment\" these days.", "Same, I refuse to buy anything from a marketplace seller, with the only exceptions being something that is not likely to be worth counterfeiting, and a price that matches or is slightly less than the retail price that the site listing it usually sells it at. Newegg lost so much of my business over the last 18 months because they couldn't keep the scalpers under control who were bot-buying everything just to turn around and re-list the now sold-out product for 50%, sometimes over 100% more than they paid for it. Amazon did it too, so I walked my ass into Microcenter, or waited until the manufacturer released some on their own sites and bought direct.", "Yeah fuck that. Deleted my YouTube account earlier. It's the only thing these people will understand.", "Then you believe wrong.", "Looking less and less like a risk by the day. There's no way Youtube will ever have a 'come to jesus' moment, and even if they did they probably won't even remember all the shady shit they're doing.", "I mean... if the ass in question shits cash, I'd probably suck on it too.", "The ads have been steadily ramping up though. Had they stayed at skippable after 5 seconds a vast majority of the time and no mid video ads I'd be fine with them.", "Please screenshot things that don't exist.", "I understand that under ideal circumstances the dislike count being viewed could be helpful in some cases, but we don't live in an ideal world and I personally have used YouTube as my primary source of content for nearly a decade and I cannot say seeing the dislike count has ever done anything to dramatically improve my viewing experience. I've looked at tutorial and guides and the dislike count is far less useful than looking at top comments or just skimming or using the recently implemented \"video chapter\" tool. \n\nPeople claim its a bad change, but I just don't see any realistic way that peoples viewing experience is worse or has even changed at all. Also 95% of people on YouTube don't even engage with likes/dislikes. Before 2 years ago I didn't have a single sub and didn't like or dislike a single video and that's how the vast majority of people engage with YouTube.", "Some people still use apps on device that simply can't have blockers.", "Maybe now the White House will start to use their YouTube channel….", "Oh shiiiiii", "Part of the issue is that there was never a mass exodus or even majority opinion that an alternative was necessary. The vast majority of users don't vote, and of those who do, the vast majority don't read the comments, and even those that do generally don't comment or vote on comments themselves. My point is, even if every \"active\" reddit participant quit, 90% of the daily pageviews (ad $$) would still come from users who have no account and don't care if content is a repost or irrelevant to a given sub, they browse it like tiktok and just scroll posts. \n\nI think you're mixing up \"people dissatisfied with reddit\" with \"people _unwelcome_ on reddit\"\n\n\n>Not to mention how insanely easy it is for a company like reddit to just hand over a relatively tiny chunk of money to a group who will dedicate themselves to spamming filth on any competitor to ruin it.\n\nWhy bother? There are more than enough \"volunteers\" out there. I'm willing to bet the foulest things on those sites were posted completely unironically.", "It’s as if America didn’t go ahead and assassinated people and toppled governments just because it suited them, not that far back too.", "I haven't seen anyone in the thread drop the link for [Return Youtube Dislike](https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/) yet, so here you go. \n\nIts an extension that will return the YouTube dislike, using a combination of cached data (we've crawled the entirety of YouTube), plus extrapolated data from extension users.\n\nIf you're still mad, can I suggest Nebula? I mostly watch Edutube, and have been intending to get a subscription there.", "> I claimed that everyone who uses youtube a lot knows this. \n\nBeen using YouTube for over 14 years now, have never once experienced or heard about this.", "Yeah I ran a business and paid for Yelp advertising, and they also refused to remove abusive reviews. People want to believe there is conspiracy for everything.", "Haha if YouTube wants to claim it owns all the content on their site and that it can't be uploaded elsewhere they can go fuck themselves.\n\nJust like how we don't really own anything digital as consumers, YouTube ain't owning my content either. They just get to use it.", "Sorry, I wasn't clear. I agree 100p with your methodology but what I'd like to know is have you found a reliable way to find this type of review?", "Silence dissent, promote your own false narrative, control the flow of information. If this is how YouTube handles innocent comments on videos, just imagine what Google is doing with actual information. We only see what they allow us to see.", "I sure am glad I don't rely on YouTube for my income. I feel bad for people who do.", "Yeah, Google review scores skew way too positive and Yelp too negative. \n\nI figure Google is much easier for the places to game while Yelp has an issue with the fact real people writing reviews are more motivated to write a review when they have a negative experience and with both, as well as other sites/apps, many people do not score accurately, often just giving either 1 or 5 stars. \n\nI used to use both to try to get a better idea but it seems like fewer and fewer people leave Yelp reviews now.", "i always do recent reviews, but the thing i dont like is they remove your ability to comment on other peoples reviews, because they dont want any contradictions? and we also hear the sellers thirsty for the customer to put in a fake good review because they had to refund a bad product. the 2-4 star reviews are the most truthful ones. while the `1 and 5 stars are usually the most biased.", ">Advertisers pay the bills and call the shots.\n\nAs someone who's had YouTube premium since it came out, I can't help but feel like you did this to yourself (and by \"you\" I mean the average reddit user). Whenever YouTube comes up, it's always talking about how bad premium is, how you should use an ad blocker, etc. Well, they've got to pay their bills somehow. Maybe if a few more people were willing to shell out $10 a month for a service they spend hours a day using, YouTube would cater more to the viewers instead of the advertisers.", ">but I'd like to add that from my perspective perhaps we could get other users here to monitor where your comment was placed, and verify it's been changed\n\nThat would be impossible due to the fact that I abandoned that platform. My comments history looks like [THAT](https://i.imgur.com/1eRMF5h.jpg) \\- it says that there is no activity and I checked the mark for \"Do not store my activity\" (they still do and I have to remove it manually).\n\nI am not doubting that YouTube is modifying the user content beyond videos. It is a thing and I have seen it with my own eyes. I would probably also not believe it if I would just read about it from some random guy on reddit. Yet here I am.. arguing with people that don't believe that it is happening while it is happening right in front of their eyes.\n\nI am not abandoning the \"cause\" for Internet Privacy but I am just not the best person to expose anything because I do not have the tools or knowledge to do it. I just noticed that it is happening.\n\nIt is not 10 minutes of work to resolve this issue. Most people do not even know that there is their comment history on [myactivity.google.com](https://myactivity.google.com) and they are not going to spend 10 minutes browsing their own comments to see if it is real. And I bet that if some people would check their comment history, if there was something worth remembering, maybe they could notice that something was edited or deleted without their knowledge - to their surprise.\n\nProgramming a bot that could monitor thousands of anyone's comments is fairly simple and could be done with AutoHotkey. The thing is that it should work in the way that latest [Return YouTube Dislike](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/) is working. They are collecting the data from remnants of Youtube API and from all users that are using this addon. \nTo do it properly someone would need not only to copy each comment section of each video. This bot would need to take a screenshot of each comment to possibly use it as a proof that something was changed. It is hundreds of millions (billions? I have no idea) of comments every minute - and after that each comment would need to be compared to one taken just 60 seconds ago to see if there are any differences. \nThis could be the only way to gather unbiased data on what is changed in the comment section. It is way beyond my very basic skills.", "So a sexual comment will get him shadow banned, but they won't remove the actual comment that's sexual? yeah ok sure buddy.", "The irony is there's already a Chrome extension to add the dislike counter back", "Is Consumer Reports still a thing?", "Dystopian", "Their decision to allow advertisers to have a say on what videos will their ads be displayed on? That topples dislike removal easily.", "+ Easy to tell when an advice / help video is bullshit\n\n+ Harder for corporations to peddle bullshit and then act like it's popular.\n\n+ It's an easy way to let creators who do shit things know they fucked up, with it being hidden they can just pretend they did nothing wrong.", "The anti-Youtube narrative is so strong, that you have to scroll all the way down the comment section to find any hint of critical thinking. Insane.\n\nCountless Youtubers have criticized the recent move by Youtube and after checking my History page, I can confirm that they're still all there. Some of those are from big channels, others from smaller ones.\n\nI'm not saying that the contents of the video are 100% misinformation, but people are just using this thread to vent about the removal of the Dislike, regardless of the veracity of the information in the video.", "It could also be that the author doesn't want to deal with abuse.\n\nHave you seen what science content creators who are women go through?", "Is it a dumb as when they forced everyone to use their real names on YouTube? They backed off from it years later when they realized google plus was never gonna work.", "What? Censorship can literally be done by any enity, it's wholly restricted just to the government", "If you refresh and check the counter you can see tons and tons of comments are being deleted live. Not sure if that's common or not but there's a lot of activity for sure.", "If a video has 1 million views and only like 10k likes, you can be pretty sure it's bad.\n\nYou need about a 10% like to views ratio from what I've seen for a video not to be dislike bombed underneath.", "This is easy to mitigate for yourself.\n\nJust take into account the view count and likes. If a video has 100k views and like 30k likes you're mostly good to go. It's not very often with high view counts to have high dislikes over that amount of likes. The majority of people who have viewed the video don't interact at all with likes and dislikes. Now if another video had 100k likes and only 1 or 2k likes then it's best to stay clear of it. If it was really that helpful, it would have more likes than that.", "I mean... YouTube has pretty much *never* turned a profit. As such, it's absolutely unsurprising that every change benefits advertisers more.", "Scary that people actually care about these things and keep at it. While stuff happens in the world that actually matters like politics and war that we think are wrong and complain about, then everyone forgets after 5 min.", "I'm tired of the monopoly that youtube has with long term videos. This happens also due to the lack of competition.", "I would like off of mr. bones wild ride", "And if that's your experience, then so be it. It's not the same for the entire public, at large. \n\nObjectively speaking, YouTube's decision *is* a bad change for the consumer. This is really only good for YouTube's financial bottom line.", "This guy was once a smoker ... I'm sure of it.", "This needs to be illegal; people have to stop defending \"Private\" companies, these aren't private companies these are the public squares of the world, people have businesses, lives attached to it these soulless bastards cannot have this much power to dictate thought and speech.", "I saw it once. There were people and dirt everywhere, it was awful. Let us never speak of it again.", "Order coat on Amazon. It never arrives. Leave negative rating, ask for refund. Rating is removed because it's about the seller, not the product.\n\nThere was no product!!!", "Sir, this is a private, non-profit corporation implementing a social media strategy for business survival purposes", "Amazon is garbage too. I left a negative review and the company kept emailing me for over a year with various anonymous gmail accounts offering me $10-$20 bribes to change or delete my review.\n\nSince this clearly violates the Amazon seller code of conduct, I tried to report the seller to Amazon. There is no way to do it. I started a chat session multiple times with Amazon \"support\" and it went nowhere. That same product is still for sale today by the same shady seller.", "Isn't it illegal to censor honest critique?", "Dude.. your voice is awesome!", "This shouldn't surprise anyone....you and I are not the customer for google and YouTube, we are the product.", "Just left a 2 star review that didn't use the term \"dislike\". Hopefully my review makes it through the filters removing these comments", "Capitalism encroaches until it swallows everything. It's just part of the system.", "Yep. Less a place for Joe Schmo with a cool talent or trade to show something cool or informative, more so a place for Mr. Beast and other production companies to post ad friendly content", "Been time for a while. Everyone who thinks Youtube will never be out-competed forgot about Skype.", "Haha. Damn.\n\nI don't tend to trust all reviews. I know places my friends dislike but I love and vice versa. I get thst. I don't let reviews influence me too much.\n\nBut it's still nice knowing why others dislike a place.\n\nHow lame.", "It's also good for the people who were the victims of this systemic abuse which should be considered in the overall effect this change has.", "> ...no? Online content creators are no match for well written tv shows.\n\nLmao. What shows are \"well written\" anymore? Game of Thrones deleted itself from cultural existence. \n\nTed Lasso is good. \n\nReality tv is fucking garbage. \n\nEach channel wants to charge a sub fee for their specific content. \n\nTV is dying. Good riddance.", "Just do what I do. Use newpipe and comment using reddit.", "To be fair, YouTube comments have been terrible for a long time. I’ve actually found comments to have gotten better the more insulated channels have become due to the algorithm, since people with no business commenting on the stuff are likely to even be recommended the channels I enjoy watching. Very echo chambery, but better than how it used to be.", "So what's the best frozen lunch?", "Youtube is absolutely THE site for videos. Where else are you watching? Some tiny app with 1,000 daily users?", "we need to start a revolution. im not talking about war, im talking a digital revolution. we need to just stop using these companies products, youtube, facebook, twitter, instagram, and yes even reddit.\n\nthis will immediately leave them utterly powerless. this is the only way the revolution can be won.", ">The dislike button on comments has been a placebo since the Google+ integration.\n\nPretty sure it still affects comment ranking, just doesn't show publically.", "Large brands and corporate media get the most dislikes. Hence, dislikes go away for their benefit.", "Before what? It continues on and on and on and on", "I use \"best _____of 202x\" articles. Or \"most economical\" if I'm feeling cheap. Sites that make those are more likely to tell you the truth because they're selling feedback and ad space, not the product itself.", "The ending properly cracked me up but in all seriousness, that is fucked up.", "I don’t support cancel culture", "Amazon actually takes action on that. As a partner a group of products was removed when a different partner selling the same product put fake reviews on it. We have to list the products again and protect our account safety by appealing.", "Time to move onto Vimeo I guess?", "Buyingbluesparrow token", "Is there even a good replacement to YouTube? There’s just so much info and the convenience of YT is there.", "But it's becoming more and more true.", "I mean fully state controlled is a compromise but its certainly better than what we have today. The biggest problem with state controlled industries is how good they are depend on how democratic state institutions are(among other things). We don't live in that democratic a country and hence they suffer as a result.", "I have not seen that happen, fortunately.", "Capitalism also kind of gave you all of this.", "Maybe their point was that YouTube isn't the best reflection of society, vocal minority and all that. Most people are just trying to do what's best for their lives and don't give a fuck about YouTube/internet stuff (though this is probably changing). I don't actually know or really care, but just a thought.", "Or worse, the product they ship you has been swapped with a counterfeit or crude replacement, which seems to happen ALL THE TIME.\n\nI can't tell you how many times I sort by \"Recent\" and a dozen reviews pop up shouting \"DON'T BUY THIS PRODUCT THESE ARE FAKES!\"", "This in a major way with movies and TV shows too. Film will be a year out from being released and already has a few thousand reviews or just varying star ratings on different sites with a combo of “Can’t wait!” and “main actor is dumb” and “love the book!”, etc. \n \nThen whether or not it’s actually out, if it’s a non-white actor/cast, and/or the main characters are gay/transgender/etc, and/or it’s a woman in an action role: take the IMDB + Google + RottenTomatoes (both) + your preferred movie review sites average, then add a minimum of half a star right off the bat to try and get an approximation of the real rating.", "This current functionality of shadowbanning has only been out for maybe 8 months or so, but if you've been a content creator for 14 years then for sure you've experienced the ongoing fight against spam comments advertising porn. This new revision of the shadowban system is one of youtube's responses to this problem. It did not appear to be particularly effective.", "Hasn’t been YouTube since google acquired them. I fear this is only the beginning.", "So what? No worse than being owned by a\nAlphabet or fa- cough I mean Meta.", "ROFL- it is the third one.", " \"you can't tell Google to remove a review\" \n\nhaha remember when Google used to have the company-wide slogan \"Dont Be Evil\" on the wall, and they painted over it.\n\nThe new Google official slogan is \"Make Money\".", "If anything it’s becoming less possible", "How does one do this? We spend hundreds of thousands of dollars advertising on both and very rarely do we get reviews we report taken off", "IMO it's just too big of a downgrade to go away. You will always notice it when you are trying to gauge whether a video is nonsense or not so the complaints will never leave.", "I used to do Google Business for a living and Google almost never agreed with the business owner who reported the bad review. Idk about these days tho", "I used to do Google Business for a living and Google almost never agreed with the business owner who reported the bad review. Idk about these days tho", "Make a comment that just says dislike?", "I work as a web developer in the eCommerce sector. Most people don’t know that most of the time, a company has complete control over which reviews they publish. You can never trust reviews on the original merchant’s site. This is not even taking into account the other ways in which merchants can control reviews on third party sites or in which parent companies censor reviews on their platforms for whatever reason.", "*HOW MANY TIMES DO I NEED TO URGE PEOPLE TO DITCH THAT SHITTY PLATFORM AND USE ODYSEE?!", "This is why \"the internet is dead\" theory is getting more and more true. That now it isn't content created by people around the globe but just advertisements and like 5 popular websites with a shit ton of bot accounts or dead ones.", "Maybe it’s because I’ve been on the internet most of my life but I usually don’t find it too difficult to distinguish fake reviews from real ones if they’ve left actual words. If it’s important I always take the time to read the reviews, and if you have 20 legitimate-looking 5 reviews that will get my attention.", "Pornhub should just rebrand as TheHub and try and become a competitor of YouTube at this point", "I see a future DAO in the horizon for video sharing in the future", "Fuck no, I am canceling my YouTube premium and go full piracy mode. Fuck them. I played nice and they bitten me.", "Supposedly, at one point. But that was just for the algo determining which videos to recommend you, and seemed to have changed anyway. \n\nBut that's not the main point, which is that having a like ratio visible lets people decide for themselves that the videos they're being fed are garbage, and not to watch them in the first place.", "Pornhub arguably has all the infrastructure in place and the storage capacity", "My review on Apple AppStore regarding the dislike change got removed, too. Didn’t use swearing , either.", "I'm in the same boat as you. Honestly, I know most people frown upon it, but I was paying for YouTube Premium. I was happy to pay for it and enjoy YouTube ad-free without the need for extras and I got Google Play Music (now YouTube Music) on top of it.\n\nBut I'm so against removing the dislikes, I think it's one of the worst moves I've seen YouTube make and it has seriously devalued the platform for me. I canceled my YouTube Premium shortly after the announcement and I'm done. Adblock and YouTube Vanced it is for me. I use Spotify for music too so I don't care about losing YouTube Music.\n\nHonestly at this point, I'm just rooting for another platform, any platform to come out so we can all jump ship from YouTube and let Google kill it like everything else.", "For Amazon and Ebay, download Fakespot. It grades reviews on how authentic they are and shows you the score. I don't use Amazon without it anymore.", "Yeeeeeeup I just bought a 3D printer and have been pulling my hair out because I can’t tell if the video is helpful or not. I’m so fucking annoyed about it. Fuck Susan Wojcicki and all the rest of them.", "Bruh why is no one talkign about reddit rmeoving upvote percentage?", "YouTube wants to curate content without bad feed back so they can tell you that x is great and go see nobody is talking bad about it. it's all about information control so they can sell the most stuff to people", "\"Honey can you please take care of your kids?\"\n\n\"GOD DAMN IT! I DONT HAVE TIME FOR THAT! THE DISLIKE BUTTON IS A HUGE PROBLEM!!!\"", "You can get that on browsers as well. It's called SponsorBlock.", "\"Oh ok, we will just change our name first, and then be evil\"", "There are many other video sharing sites, but YT is the best one to make money from, so this is where advertisers will stay😕\nAs long as creators are effectively locked into YT, nobody is going anywhere & nothing will change😡", "One thing that's been irritating me, and I think it is fairly recent, is that any link that takes you into the Youtube app now takes 3 back button presses to get back to where you were. The first minimizes the video to a p-in-p type view, the second takes you back to a 'home' screen of sorts, then the third minimizes Youtube and goes back to the origin of the link. Annoying as fuck.", "I know right? Reddit gets so up in arms and dedicates so much energy to \"oh no the free website I use removed a button\" when there's legitimate shit going on that needs attention", "Bring back the thumbs down and I'll bring back my thumbs up", "Those shorts aren't even worth it. Just a half ass lazy ripoff off instagram and tik tok. But people don't go to YouTube to watch #shorts", "You people act kind it's a public utility.", "You people act kind it's a public utility.", "That last couple of seconds had me dying.", "I mean, if we're completely honest, removing comments from youtube might be for the best, unlike disabling the dislike button.", ">jailed communists\n\nWould have been more fitting to put them in labor camps", "iirc they removed that when they started working on unmanned drone tech.", "That's why you use Google to search, then just add the name of the subreddit to the end of the search.", "This has been happening to me for a really long time now and it happens randomly. My comments aren't even inappropriate and this mostly happens when I include links in my comment.", "Is there an example currently or in the past that you can point to? I'm not sure how viable it would be to have full state control over every business in a country.", ">Shitass company makes a terrible video or does something controversial (ex: BuzzFeed, the Net Neutrality vid by Ajit Pai etc.)\n\n>People start disliking their videos as a protest\n\n>Company cries \"waaa waaa daddy Youtube! Our revenue is going down due to bad reputation because of our own moronic actions, pls remove negative thumb!\"", "Most full time youtubers I watch rely on patreon, and youtube is basically just the video hosting site.", "Google reviews are super inflated. I rarely see restaurants below a 4 rating.\n\n4.1 - 4.5 is the new 1 - 5.", "Amen!", "Crazy thought: maybe all these creators should band together and make their own video sharing site. \n\nAh who am I kidding; they prefer to continue making money simply by bitching about the platform they're using to make money. God forbid they actually work at something.", "Once the API turns off, that won't be useful anymore.", "They hide it because the advertisers complain. Advertisers get charged the same amount whether their ad is run on a video with a 99/1 like/dislike ratio, or a 1/99 like/dislike ratio. I think it also has to do with Youtube Promoted videos, I admit that when I've gone looking for something, I've accidently clicked or didn't notice that I clicked on a promoted video, and when that video doesn't have the content I was actually looking for, I'd dislike the video as I felt I was scammed. \n\nI'm 100% certain that Youtube removing the public dislike total is revenue related in nature, publicly traded corporations don't make changes like this unless it's financially motivated, and while that includes dollars being spent on the platform by political organizations, there is no way that they are the primary motivators, they aren't the primary spenders. They don't want the \"community\" to be able to brigade or otherwise dislike the content produced by those who spend big money there.", "You'll get sued out of existence real quick, just like YT almost did (they settled with Viacom, and that's why their DMCA and copyright flagging is so shitty - shittier than copyright law right now).", "this is what so many were afraid of what will happen, Google now have control of the internet and can curate what we all can see. \n\nPiss off their robots? your website may as well not exist, say something they dont like? you can no longer say anything....\n\nThis needs government intervention and for Google to be forced to split up.... but it wont happen because they have more money than whole countries....", "Pretty sure he hates Ebaumsworld for stealing content. At least, that's what I gathered from his AlbinoBlackSheep video.", "You're advocating reviewing your own establishment to manipulate the ratings. Not that that isn't done of course but still..", "Ironically, video reviews can still be decent.", "Just finished watching the new donut video and was thinking I should tell more people about this wonderful idea.", "Can you provide a source to literally any of this", "I mean, when have the comments in the YouTube video ever really added anything? It's just a lot of \"I like this,\" or \"is anyone watching this in 2021,\" or really really creepy comments about a female YouTuber.", "Not at that point", "To be fair \"what a handjob\" is easily harassment, and if he has a history of doing this, then it's pretty obvious why", "Who didnt see this comeing a mile away? Follow that mula", "Lots of good shows on streaming. Just gotta look harder.", "They could argue that people are brigading them, and that’s why some reviews are getting removed, because they’re seen as “fake” reviews. \n\nWhich isn’t actually the case here. YouTube just sucks that much.", "YouTube: “What the fuck are you gonna do about it? Cry? Use some other massively popular free video hosting site? Stop watching videos online? Good fucking luck.”", "I find looking at 4 and 3 star reviews to be helpful. Often they still were happy with the product but had some minor issue that may not bother me. It's at least better than \"Bought it for my grandson, he hasn't opened it yet. 5\"", "I quit YouTube years ago, and I’m sort of a big deal* (read in Ron Burgundy voice like we’ve teleported backwards a decade)", "This isn’t happening because advertisers are wanting this. It’s happening because a political narrative is being protected/pushed.", "That guy has an amazing voice.", "Make a cryptocurrency which crowd clouds user submitted content", "If they remove comments, we go somewhere else. Because if you’re afraid to “offend” people at all then nothing will matter. The algorithm will shatter with all the positive reviews and whatnot until they remove the subscribe button. Then it’ll be completely random.", "> \"Nice eatery you've got there, be a shame if it got a bad reputation on our platform...\"\n\nI worked for my father for years and years at his small business, and this is basically how Yelp operates. We refused to pay their fees to remove a bad review from our Yelp page and suddenly the two old negative reviews we had were at the top of our page above more-recent positive ones.\n\nYelp is a scummy business and Google is going down the same route.", "This is correct, the answer is always money. Those who spend the most don't want their ads run on heavily disliked videos, don't want the videos that they pay to \"promote\" to get dislike brigaded and those same spenders don't want the content that they create to have the ability to be disliked into oblivion. I'm also leaning towards this being a preemptive move to allow full-blown pay-for-play, corporations will be able to pay to skirt the algorithm for trending placement, which if they kept the dislike counts, would be hard for them to deny when videos with 100K dislikes and 1500 likes hit the trending page.", "Maybe you don't remember why they did switch to external site to fund their content. They did that because they felt that using youtube was unfair for them and their audience.", "Thats why people need to start moving", "LOL. It's just some algorithm. It has nothing to do with your criticism of a policy. It's not like people at google are watching your videos and saying \"I am going to delete all these comments because I have nothing better to do with my time\"", "\"because we have invented something better, SUPER EVIL, be that!\"", "Yelp is a scam that charges companies to keep a good rating", "Are you fucking stupid, use your brain. It's no different than if Amazon were to remove the 5 star rating. You wouldn't be able too tell whether a product is shit or not.\n\nWhiny little fucking content creators couldn't handle that they were pumping out shit content.", "It’s not any push to fight disinformation, it’s so they can control information", "and yet our UPS store is still listed as a FEDEX dropoff point on google with no discernible way to change it. It's a daily argument with people yelling at us \"that google says i can!\"", "I recently was looking for concrete suppliers and the only reviews for one of them was a person in the neighborhood complaining they wake them up at 6 AM, made me chuckle. The even made multiple accounts leaving almost identical reviews with one of the account names being \"awakeat6\"", "You have a rather high opinion of jail time. Have you actually been there?", "There is nothing wrong in that as long as the content is good.", "Oh shut up.", "My answer to this has been the same for 20 years: sort the reviews by 'Most recent' and see if there are any common threads across the reviews in the past year-ish", "What would you guys rather have. Something like YouTube where content is risen through algorithms censorship or something like 8chan where where there is no algorithms and total anonymity and free speech but also had the most veil of content the internet has to offer. Honest opinions", "I work a lot with children and teenagers. They spend as much time on youtube shorts as they spend on tiktok..", "This is diabolical", "Sounds like the channel owner got some stuff going on", "/r/redditminusmods\n\nUhh..... The entire front page is removed every single day. What you think you're seeing as the front page is a tiny 2-10% of the actual posts that would have been shown due to mod removals.\n\nTheres no way to prove that moderators are acting in good faith because theres zero oversight or background checking.", "I don't think I do. \n\nYou genuinely would check that number before watching a video? Does that go for all videos? What if your buddy sent it to you? What if it's embedded? You give it that extra click, just to make sure the ratio is good? What if its a video you're very interested in watching from the title/Reddit but the ratio is bad? If you're willing to give it a free pass for that, how is that different from any other video you find yourself wanting to watch?\n\nI just don't think most people do this.\n\nThe only convincing argument I've heard for the dislike count is that viewers can more publicly hold corporations accountable, which I can get behind. However, even that has an air of \"I just want to review bomb lady ghostbusters lol\" about it.\n\nThe strangest part for me is that everyone is pretending that the dislike count was some kind of sacred quality gatekeeper, that protected the purity of Youtube and stopped us all from losing hours to trash content. Which, obviously, is absolutely not the case.\n\nSome of the most watched videos on Youtube are the most disliked. If people really cared about that stat, Justin Beiber wouldn't be famous. Now, you could argue that music videos fall in a subjective gray area of how effective a like/dislike count could be, but that's a slippery slope. Hundreds of thousands of people still manage to fall for fake news, obvious scams or insane conspiracy theories thanks to videos being shared on Youtube. \n\nI'm in the job I am today thanks to watching thousands of Youtube tutorials and I haven't checked the dislike count of a video for the last 15 years. I don't think people are making malicious tutorials, but you can figure out if a video is dogshit in a million other ways, than looking at a pointless, contextless number.", "> Not marketers fault most of the world is brain dead and will believe literally any bullshit people say lol.\n\nIt's not marketers fault that people believe the shit that marketers tell them.\n\nYou're right. Your comment is the stupidest ever.", "I don't understand why so many people got surprised with that. You welcomed Trump ban from twitter, and now you are surprised why big tech keep pushing their shit forward? Things will keep getting worse", "nah it is a good change. yall just some piss babies loool", "OurTube", "Wait, what? Tell me the story", "YouTube has really gone down the \"tube\". Censorship is bs.", "Time for decentralised video platforms to rise", "Time to slow shift myself away from google. Peace!", "I really missed the early youtube, it was fun while it still last. Corporations are very sensative to their feelings when it comes to criticism (which is a cowardly thing to do). As an artist we were taught to take criticism so that we can learn and improve our arts. This is not only exclusive to artists but to chefs, teachers, students and etc. We were exposed to learn criticism at young age and also in school. I really don't like when they focus on looking themselves look good and it gives good reputation like this company is perfect or what so ever. Unless people riot on google or youtube HQ and demand to bring back the dislike button.", "So!!!", "Honestly this is the most disgusting thing youtube has ever done.", "Probably because they were censored. You can easily change public opinion if you have control over what people see or don't see.", "Reddit: “First time?”", "Chopping away at freedom of speech one inch at a time", "Sure would be nice if the US applied its anti-monopoly laws to giant corporations so allow some competition", "When people say \"America is bad at something\", they don't compare US to 3rd world countries. They compare US to other Western, democratic 1st world countries, such as Canada/Australia/Western Europe/Japan/S.Korea/Taiwan (yes, it is a country, go fuck yourself CCP). So yeah, US is fucking shitty in a lot of aspects and it is getting worse.", "Maybe look at it the other way, removing dislikes to not lose potential money. The most disliked YouTube video is the 2018 rewind uploaded by YouTube lol", "I've watched plenty of good shows but mostly watch youtube. \n\nCable sucks and I'm not paying each channel a sub fee for one or two good shows each.", "..and if you point that out in your own review then Amazon sends threatening letters to you.", "What else is there for us to do? I'm not a content creator but this same scenario has played out many times in the last 20 years in many industries. We voice our dislike of whatever the change was, they play dumb or delete comments criticizing the change, wait a few months and then no more outrage. \n\nLike what's our play then?", "Don’t worry, Reddit’s next", "no u", "Channel owners have always been able to remove comments anyway", "1984", "I will die on this fucking hill.", "don't forget about all the white supremacist plotting and manifesto feedback that goes on there, too! it really is such a utopian platform", "If people aren’t leaving, maybe this dislike change isn’t as bad as Reddit likes to think.", "Fuck youtube and their orwellian bullshit.", "Watch and ad or shitty purple block for the same amount of time hmmmm and at that point you should just watch the ad I want the old ad blockers that tossed ads period but Twitch must have changed some factors to make it not possible", "Won’t block ads on my TV", "All anyone needs to know is that Google's corporate motto used to be \"Don't be evil\", but they took that down.", "We're going to have to crowd source together a website to host our own comments , likes, and dislikes. Make it a word that can be added before the url so access is EZPZ", "Truly a noble cause. I honor your commitment", "No, there's something else to it. Someone accused me of plagiarism recently, so I responded to their video & their comments just fine. They would show up immediately & stay visible.\n\nWhenever I responded to someone in the comments, it would get deleted within a minute of me replying. I've tried over 4 times to get a comment to stick, but they keep disappearing.\n\nThere's something definitely going on with their spam filters. As a content creator, I've gotten update notifications of people posting comments on my videos, but when I've gone to look at them, they haven't been there. These were real comments and not some random Russian bots spamming crap like \"0:14 vol.gen.\" Even trying to look at comments withheld on my channel produces nothing, but I do have some record of their existence if I managed to get an email notification which doesn't always happen.\n\nThey seriously need to relook at wtf is getting caught in their filters because stuff is legitimately vanishing into nothing.\n\nAnd this is without me ever making a comment about dislikes on youtube at all.", "I'm aware of Keyword filters and am aware certain creators use their own bots for this. I meant Youtube will start deploying their own bots for all creators regardless of your opinion.\n\nI didn't know Youtube only allowed certain people to comment. I'm not talking about getting banned. I'm talking more like, no one can comment on anything, there are only people who are \"approved\" to make comments. Because Youtube knows they will write good things about them.\n\nIf thats already a thing pushed by Youtube then I was unaware", "I just downloaded the add on for chrome and it's like nothing has changed.", "Kudos to the same people who cheered this on when they started censoring the people they didn’t like thinking this was never going to happen to them eventually.", "The content on odysee is lacking and not even great.", "They've already been going downhill since 2009 or so bro. They've never listened to their users and have always been changing shit because they want to.", "I thought it was Fred Norris", "Because the reason they gave was that people were downvote bombing largely to see how many downvotes they could give it. It's like a few years back when the most downvoted comment on reddit was getting passed around and people who otherwise would have paid it no mind were deciding to downvote it because it was like a game at that point. I don't think this is a big deal on YouTube but they're claiming it is.", "I'm late to this party.. why is youtube removing the dislike count... is this another Amy Schumer netflix debacle?", "Ahh good ol censorship. Cant beat em, delete em.", "what is the alternative at this stage?", "You… left a review for Google… on Google…", "You waste time watching shitty tutorial videos instead of good ones.", "On iPhone?", "These may also just be unapproved comments. If the uploader doesn't accepts or rejects them, they stay in that state forever.", "Bro if you copy/paste a creators exact title & username you will find videos to creators YT WANTS you to find instead.\n\nYouTube hasn’t been for “You” as early back as 2013.", "If Reddit would improve the video player and create a dedicated video page they might be able to 'start' competing...right?", "What is the reason anyone would favor the dislike button staying? \nSeems like a useless feature to me. I have almost never watched a video and learned anything about the quality of the video from the ratio. \n\nThe most disliked videos are typically things people are trying to pretend they hate, even if the video has nothing wrong with it. \n\nThat's not why they added it. No reason to harm the creator just because you dislike the content. \n\nI for one see no negative for its removal, and even though I don't doubt they are silencing people unfairly, it doesn't matter to me, because the only people upset about it to be commenting on it are the same people that were disliking videos for no reason too. \n\nI learned a lot about people when this happened honestly. You can tell who actually has a sense of wanting something to improve and who is just clicking that button to feel like they are making a statement.", "Remember when you could really customize your Youtube profile? You could easily set up a channel with a unique name, set a custom image as the background, all kinds of stuff. Would always make me smile as a kid when I found one of those conspiracy dudes with an Illuminati symbol as his background.\n\nI really miss that. If Youtube restored all those features I'd consider paying them monthly.\n\nBut now we're here. All you can do is like, share, subscribe. Youtube doesn't give a damn unless you're forking out money to creators and paying to escape ads.", "No.. it's an advertisement platform for advertisers.", "Or you said \"handjob\" in a comment and that did it.. probably not related at all to criticizing the dislike count.", "doggotheboy’s turn to become doggotheman", "Because now they can just have ads that pretend to be videos and you'll never know till you click on them.", "Uh... If everyone's scores are affected by this 20/1 ratio, then the system still works.\n\nGoogle reviews on restaurants has been pretty useful at finding the standout restaurants in my area. Hasn't been off the mark so far.", "deleting? It's just hiding dislike comments", "I had a similar thing happen with a targeted ad on Facebook. Like an idiot I actually bought the items and what showed up was absolute trash.. zipper was uneven, buttons had no holes fake material etc.. I contacted the company they said go pound sand I then left a poor review with an online consumer \"watchdog\" with pictures of the original ad and the garbage they sent me. My review was removed within a few days for being \" unreliable\"", "More to have friends or family do it, or ask a regular for a favor.", "Gross. A furry.", "Must protect the feelings", "True but do you think it could also be used as means to promote good ideas as well or do you believe with total anonymity and lack of consequence people will always default to their most evil nature?", "The best thing about this is they don’t seem to have deleted the original comment… like what even is the point!?", "> Odysee\n\nBahaha right on the front page of that site it says:\n\n\"Welcome to Odysee. We have dislikes.\"", "> Maybe you need to reevaluate your business model.\n\nYou mean the \"Amazon is the only store\" business model, right? Because that's where we're heading.", "I guess I've been using Youtube wrong all these years. I don't even \\_see\\_ the likes and dislikes, it's just become noise.", "This can't be surprising to anyone, dislikes are gone and the next thing in the crosshairs is comments. They will be gone for everyone eventually.", "I'd argue they aren't helpful in the slightest. I've bought so many bad, terrible or downright unusable products on there that touted 5-star reviews and 'Amazon's Choice', particular recently. Just seems like they're trying to shovel as much cheap, Chinese off-brand crap as they possibly can without any care for their quality. Stuff like looks nice, but that's all it ever has going for it.", "Goddamned muthafuc'n product merging. Amazon is a real shitbird for allowing things like this.\n\nhttps://www.consumerreports.org/customer-reviews-ratings/hijacked-reviews-on-amazon-can-trick-shoppers/", "Isn’t this really google? We need to start saying google. Or abc", "Because if you have to, for example, watch some shitty, padded out 10-minute \"tutorial\" video that doesn't even answer your question, maybe you'll watch another, then another, etc., until you find one that actuallly solves your problem. \n\nIf instead you immediately find a highly rated, concise video that quickly solves your problem, you spend a few minutes at most on YouTube then leave.", "tbf I think that's only because they used profanity. Plenty of tweets about dislikes still showing.", "We need a Youtube competitor. Now.", "I'm simply asking you why they should be held liable.\n\nThat's what it sounded like you were advocating for but to be honest, your comments are on the ambiguous side so i could be wrong", "Didn't they remove the subscriber thing for the same reasons", "Youtube is famously tight-lipped when it comes to updates/changes. This is why you almost always see reactions to changes rather than people discussing changes before they go live. The publicity regarding the removal of the dislike count is very much the exception to the rule.\n\nGenerally speaking, youtube pushes stealth updates without any kind of notification whatsoever. Several people will notice the change and the news spreads through the various creator communities. That's generally how we're notified that something has changed. It really sucks.\n\nI have had to learn a lot of the stuff about mass comment removal/shadow bans because my channel gets spammed by bots daily. Or at least, it used to until about 6 days ago when the spam comments mysteriously disappeared with no notification from youtube about something that may have changed behind the scenes.\n\n[I searched for youtubers talking about the spam comment problems and found this video from a month ago when spam was at its worst.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXIeFqeZTC0) [This video from ~2 days ago references the stealth change ~6 days ago that somehow stopped the spam bots.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpy3zEPIDO4)", "Reddit moderators have been doing this for years it’s known across all kind of social media platforms. People with power will dictate what people see it’s nothing new. Do you know how many times I’ve seen people ban on sub Reddit just because they have a different point of view and for nothing more.", "They are the new aristocracy. \n\nDemocracy in the USA is dead and they are our new rulers.", "The best people that helped fix up my house were met through referral and didn’t even have an online profile. \n\nThe absolute worst ones had “good reviews” online.\n\nJust anecdotal of course, but I certainly no longer trust Google reviews.", "The excuse they gave doesnt work on anyone with two braincells. They know they can do whatever they want and people cant do shit about it.", ">\"some new exciting functionality\"\n\nYouTube is not the best on that", "yeah...that's evil Youtube, truly evil.", "The company I work for spends around $20K a month on Google Ads. We have a customer that has it out for us and she has created multiple Google accounts with different emails to leave us multiple 1-star reviews and drive our overall score down. She doesn’t even bother changing her name and she leaves a rant with every review - she’s not even trying to hide the fact that it’s her. I have done everything possible to escalate this with Google, all to no avail. They simply won’t remove the duplicate reviews. \n\nSo I’m not disagreeing with your conspiracy theory, I’m just saying I’ve had the completely opposite experience of what you’re claiming.", "No humans have anything to do with this, comments are being removed by an algorithm, complaint is being answered by an algorithm, to be honest at this point I wouldn't be surprised if the CEO of Youtube is an algorithm.", "If there's anything communist and socialist leaders are known for, it is how openly they embrace criticism and public discourse. Never any propaganda or censorship with them.", "let me put it this way; i don’t give a shit either way, it was merely for the sake of the argument\n\nmy point is basically: twitter, reddit, youtube and whoever else can censor whatever they want, and they are legally allowed to because section 230 exists, no amount of bitching about it will change that, the end.\n\ni don’t know if they should or shouldn’t, i’m merely stating that right now, they legally cannot be", "No way man, when your comment is literally \"Fextralife, you really should have mentioned the game is always-online in your review\" and it is GONE?\n\nNah fam, youtube may be able to flag tons of shit but do not for a second think it is only youtube here.", "To make it clear, i think removing the dislike button was absolutely idiotic, but imo removing the 5-star rating system at least had merit. \n\nI hate numbered ratings with passion these days, because heavy majority of people misuse them in their own individual ways, which skews the accuracy of the rating. Take a look at business or restaurant ratings with reviews on google maps (on a scale of 1 to 5). People tend to either leave 1s or 5s, with barely anything in-between. Stuff like “server was slow, food was decent, 1/5”. Is it really one of the worst restaurants on earth? The rating seems to indicate so, which is clearly bs. Same with people who leave 5/5 ratings for literally any restaurant that they didn’t dislike. \n\nA similar situation took place with videos on Youtube, majority of users left either 1s or 5s (back when the numbered rating system was alive), with barely anything in-between. A lot of data that could have been useful, but accuracy of that data is very low, borderline useless. This absolutely distorts accuracy of the results.\n\nDislike+like was imo a sweet spot, because you can measure how many people like vs how many people dislike vs how many don’t care enough to rate with very good accuracy. A very simple, clear, and useful metric. \n\nRemoving “dislike” button, on the other hand, was idiotic. You get a borderline useless signal, which is the number of people liking it vs. the number of people disliking it mixed with people not caring enough to rate. This is objectively much more useless data on so many levels.", "it is `&trade;`\n\nMeta&trade;", "hurry up and do this :)", "Comments will never be banned, they will just continue to delete selectively.", "Yahoo did the same but honestly their comment section was a cesspool of ignorance so I didn't care that much", "Cool story bro, now factor in all the server and employee costs. Youtube barely makes money, if any major advertisers pull funding they start losing money. Thats why they crushed most independent media under the guise of fake news when really it could mostly be traced back to alex jones types but they persecuted everyone, to the benefit of major news networks on the platform (who have historically bad like to dislike ratios)", "Hold the fuck up. Do you think you get to leave youtube? Sorry pal, you have to watch at least 4 more videos and 20 more ads before the YT app can be minimized.", "Like I don't understand why they don't have an \"Adjusted Score\" next to the main score that counts all negative reviews until they are removed by moderators.\n\nLike McDonald's has a 4/5 [3/5 adj] and a user then can see all the reviews McDonalds has flagged to be removed.\n\nSeems like a really simple fix. Put it on the end user to sort through the reviews to see if they're legitimate (they should be doing that anyways).", "kind of wild they delete his comments but not his videos", "> Cool story bro\n\nLOL", "Oh sorry, my bad. I thought by \"until its changed\" you were directly seeking change yourself (as a number of people are)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nedit: lol i was the one who completely misunderstood the whole time", "People could just watch the content they want to watch without having the need to deliver a public comment on it. Thats what happened in the old days when we watched things called television.", "If they do something better that makes less money, it's not necessarily incentive for entrenched players to copy you, they want that money.\n\nThe problem is Youtube basically makes no money, and would make less without being a part of the Google ecosystem, there's no margin on the table for anyone to want to grab.", ">So like... Is everyone just going to have 5 star Google reviews? Lol\n\nIf they're paying Google off, yes, or very close to it.", "Susan's friends eat puppy's souls.", "Love how they sold this as protecting the small creators... Then perhaps hide dislikes on creators under 100,000 subscribers and be done with it?", "Tell me you don’t work in tech without telling me.", "what about a comment like:\n\n\"Thumbs up to count dislikes\"", "Sure showed them.... that 1 rep.", "I hate how true this is. I don't even know anymore, YouTube is obviously bad now but it's just one of many. The Internet in general just sucks so much now. And I'm not just being nostalgic or whatever. The internet truly used to be an amazing thing. In the 90s through 2000s, it was almost magical, so many cool people, communities, and finding a new website was like exploring a brand new land. Almost everything was decentralized and things just seemed more genuine. It all started to decline in quality around the time of the rise of smartphones. 2014 or 15 is when it started to fall fast. And now here we are.", "We have no way of knowing how much it is affected though, and it's totally useless on a comment thread", "So...they're trying to cancel \"cancel culture\"?", "Yep, this is a big part of it. They want to make YouTube an infinite scrolling platform like Instagram and others. Taps into the gambling addiction part of your brain. You not knowing whether it is a quality video is the feature not the bug", "Shadowbanning on youtube is already a serious issue. Particularly for people that take part in political conversations and criticize propaganda outlets on their own channels.", "Yeah well the ad block is going back on then. Not giving them a fucking dime.", "Looking at you Official apple channel", "The game shop on the other side of town seems to be doing just fine selling at or below MSRP", "This has to be a push from the mainstream media outlets on the platform. Go to any of the major media outlets and look at their like to dislike ratio. They have to be the only ones that are actually complaining about that", ">What else is there for us to do?\n\nStart actually boycotting their decisions.\n\nRemove all possible social interactions that they are depending on.\n\nRemove advertisements with [Adblock Plus](https://adblockplus.org/en/). uBlock or any other serious blocker. I use [AdNauseam](https://adnauseam.io/) (it clicks every advertisement in the background to confuse the algorithm).\n\nRemove comments and suggested videos with [Magic Actions For YouTube](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/magic-actions-for-youtube/abjcfabbhafbcdfjoecdgepllmpfceif) or [DF Tube](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/df-tube-distraction-free/mjdepdfccjgcndkmemponafgioodelna) (which also disables the main website).\n\nRetrieve Like/Dislike ratio and buttons usability with [Return YouTube Dislike Button](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/).\n\n&#x200B;\n\nJust remove the usabilities that they think are the most important. No more ads, no more curated suggestions, no more content pushed down your throat.\n\nYouTube is just a video hosting service and you can use it when you receive a specific link. As it was intended to be.", "I have serious doubts that you've asked either shop about its financials.", "It's a game\n\nr/outside", "> Tell me you don’t work in tech without telling me.\n\nI'm on Reddit with an account, that's like a 75% shot", "Maybe I don't watch tutorials at all. Is that the only instance were the dislike count matters? It's certainly the only one you guys seem to mention.\n\nLook, I've wrote this somewhere else, but I'm in the job I am today thanks to watching thousands of Youtube tutorials - and I haven't checked the dislike count of a single video for the last 15 years. I can't recall watching too may 'shitty' ones, but I'd hazard a guess the ratio wouldn't have been my first port of call if I had questions. You can figure out if a video is dogshit in a million other ways, than looking at a pointless, contextless number. Especially if the video has little to no views.", "Yes, but free speech is one area where the US is more liberal than most other Western countries. You can criticize the US for a lot of other things (healthcare, education, etc.), but criticizing the US for being behind on free speech doesn't make sense.", "Can we rephrase this as “Google is censoring negative reviews against them?”", "There is no like or dislike. Neither good or bad review. According to youtube now there is only [aladeen](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJ2w82WifU) reviews and aladeen opinions", "They did that because YouTube has a history of revoking monetization with no real explanation given.", "Meta™", "The timing is amazing for the removal of the dislikes. Nintendo just got their shit pushed in for peddling a shit expansion pass at 50 bucks. I love Nintendo but fuck off with that.", "youtube auto censoring furrys? wait are they actually based?", "Also look at the dates of the reviews. If there are a lot that are within a day or two, or there is a big gap where a lot of reviews start coming in, they are fake.", "I mean you are talking about private sections of the internet. Of course those will censor to meet their desired target audience and market. \n\nIt's not like the internet is really censored as a whole though. There are plenty of places you can go to discuss things on a completely uncensored and in unmoderated setting. Obviously your audience will be smaller than of you used Facebook or YouTube, and it will be harder to find like minded individuals without lots of research. But literally that is the product these private social sites are selling to you. They have invested billions in building out the infrastructure and attracting people to their platform. It isn't their responsibility to give you a few place to speak however you want. If you want to exercise your freedom of speech find somewhere to do it. And of you can't find somewhere already organized, organize it yourself. \n\nIt's like claiming your freedom of speech should apply inside a Walmart just because Walmarts make up a huge percentage of the US retail and all the people you want to speak to already shop there. There are plenty of places in the real word designed to enable your freedom of speech. But a private business is not one of them. The internet is really no different.", "Here’s the link to the YouTube video if your interested https://youtu.be/i2kxdF0kc_c", "Raise your hand high up and then slap yourself in the face with it if this is surprising to you.", "you want the [aladeen news or the aladeen news?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYJ2w82WifU)", "And then edit it", "Just start uploading the content to pornhub and make that the new YouTube", "I love them for this.", "One of them provides me better value and they get my business. Sounds like youre projecting your stores problems onto me.\n\nIts the job of the business to provide a service worth paying for at a pricepoint acceptable.\n\nIt's not the job of the customers to prop up a bad business because \"It's local\". Again I dont mind paying a little more, but 100%, literally double the current price, is insane.", "Just installed it on your recommendation. Loving it so far.\n\nTook the safe route and logged in with a secondary account, though. Do you know if there have been any security breaches in either MicroG or Vanced in the time that it's been around?", "I love tbis guy. I watch a fox in space so many fucking times thw soundtrack is best.", "Meanwhile, a fellow business owner made 10 fake reviews using obvious pseudonyms within ten minutes of each other on my business page and Google has yet to take a single one down despite constant pleas.", "> To be fair, YouTube comments have been terrible for a long time\n\nWhich is also YouTube's fault for removing dislikes on comments", "> community moderated p2p video sharing platform in the near future\n\nNarrator: \"There wasn't\"\n\nPorn will kill all your decentralized systems. There are more of them than grandmas willing to share cat videos and moderate at the same time.", "It is so easy to bash on capitalism without actually providing an alternative option that is proven to solve the exact issue you are complaining about.\n\nLike, please point us to the exact non capitalist society which has developed a product similar to YouTube, existed longer than YouTube, and maintained a dislike feature similar to YouTube through it's continued existence... I struggle to even think of many services remotely comparable to YouTube, let alone one that was built in a non capitalist environment...", "God damn, please tell us this multibillion dollar equation you've came up with? You're sitting on a gold mine.", "Was it really necessary to qoute the entire comment", "Was there actually a way to search for content using a specific like/dislike ratio?\n\nIf there was I sure wish I would have been using that this whole time...", "> So like... Is everyone just going to have 5 star Google reviews? Lol\n\nI don't remember the last time I saw anything on google maps that wasn't 4.5/5 stars.", "They don't directly make their money from YouTube. But if they stopped putting out content on YouTube or Twitch, their secondary income streams will dry up. No one is going to become a patron when a creator goes from daily videos to maybe one a month. No one is going to buy merch from a creator that hasn't put out a video in the last six months (not that they'll hear about it anyway without a video announcing it).", "You get what you vote for. More regulation without explanation.", "Does it work in mobile yt?", "Sheba star xxx", "Because don't want to pay for services they use.\n\nPeople want all the creators to put in time and effort and give them nothing back.", "That is why I like twitch, but it is also going the same way", "Yeah I’m not surprised, literally anything can be removed like that based on whatever shadow creature that YouTube uses to control comments. If your comment is deleted then it was slammed by YouTube, if you can see it, but others can’t it was hidden by the creator. \n\nAnd you don’t even have to be toxic to creators to get hit. “This game is fucking terrible” will get ya just as much as “this creator is fucking terrible”.\n\nIf we are real with each other, I think it’s silly to think some large creator is singling you out trying to censor your criticism. It’s silly for me to believe that’s as abrasive as you get in the comment section. \n\nBut yeah, despite what you feel at least once a day i click on a comment to reply and it’s gone without me doing a damn thing, YouTube leads the charge in censoring the platform, enough so that I don’t have to filter anything on my end. Maybe you just meant ‘Fextralife’ the guy who embeds his stream on each page of his website to artificially boost viewer count operates his comment section like that.", "Boohoo. You cant jump on hate bandwagons anymore. Get over it.", "They'll replace it with another button. They love buttons. The Like button, the Subscribe button, the bell icon. Every video starts with the person asking the viewer to click a bunch of buttons. I'm sure they'll invent another one.", "wE rEaLLLLLy NeEd a YoUtUbE cOmPeTiToR\n\n::nothing happens::", "Has there ever honestly been a good YouTube comment, though? I always look to see what people are saying about the video and it’s always ‘follow my channel’ or ‘lol’.", "Maybe Youtube is just removing comments from furries? Understandable tho, being into animals and all wth.", "It’s an entire industry now", "He posted sexualization on a family friendly video and got shadowbanned. Why are people having a hard time understanding this?", "I doubt him precisely because there are negative reviews on Amazon, and I've left my own.\n\nThe fact that he and the others are talking about how they were removed for not talking about the seller makes me think they're reviewing products under the seller reviews and sellers under the product reviews.", "Pussies", "You sound like a teenager who has gotten their history lessons from /r/politics. If you are, then hopefully you'll grow out of it. If you are an educated adult then you are exactly what the Soviets meant when they were talking about useful idiots.", "agreed 100%. amazon is useful but the vast majority of everything they sell is cheap garbage. like you'll feel good about your purchase and then the item shows up and it's like, really, this is it? but for some things where you know the quality because it's name brand, or certain products like ethernet/hdmi cables, etc., amazon is great because you're getting the items cheaper than anywhere else (usually, and of course at the expense of what would be local jobs & commerce).", "There hasn't. It is the YouTube app, just with some tweaks", "Why don't we just make another video platform and boycott Youtube? How hard would that really be?", "Between who?\n\nYou just conveniently decided to lump everyone else together in one pile. But news flash: Europe is not a country. Asia is not a country. Africa is not a country.\n\nI have to spell that out explicitly because you mother fuckers are you dense to understand that, apparently.\n\nI'm from a country that has a track record miles better than the US. Zero civil Rights leaders killed. Zero warcrimes. Zero genocides.", "sick, really fighting the social media intern", "No, you are just so GODDAMN ignorant about the rest of the world that you literally can't imagine a single country being better than you, because for some reason you've confused \"continent\" with \"country\".", "#Draaaiinnagggeee", "Over time with the removal of dislikes I expect a few more years and they'll either remove comments or only allow approved comments through video creators. Possibly even making it so comments can only be sent through a person's own server like discord.\n\nWhy you ask? Because it'll be harder for you to see how many people dislike stuff by big corporations that pay youtube for ads.", "Fakespot.com. Use the menu to find the analyzer.", "Historically the US had GODDAMN SLAVES. Other countries figured that was bad literally hundreds of years earlier, if they even had slaves in the first place.\n\nThey have a myth of being free. They are not and they never were. It's just literally not true.\n\nThey assassinated leftist activists. They put citizens with Japanese heritage in camps. They destabilized democracies to get access to resources.\n\nWhat are you comparing them too? Fucking imperial Brittain? Well like fucking father like fucking son.", "Both oened by Google. Its not that surprising. I forgot what other app Google did this for that wasn't even owned by them", "the support guy wouldn't help you if you give him shitty responses", "Kind of like how there are so many streaming services now for all your movies. It makes it so much easier to know that Disney and Marvel movies will be on Disney+ and I don't need to bother searching for it on Netflix or Hulu because that's just not the content those two services provide. /s", "has this guy drank a cup of water before?", "Reminder that as long as you continue using their service, your disapproval literally does not matter to them or affect them in any way. If we all stopped using YouTube, they would beg for their audience back. If all you do is complain, they'll just carry on. They have a monopoly. It's easy for them to silence and ignore you.\n\nWe need to start No-YouTube-Month or something. Force them to take a hit so the complaints become something that actually makes a mark on them. If we can convince a bunch of people to stop shaving for a month, we can drop one website.\n\nAny reason you can think of that we \"can't\" give up YouTube for even a month is a reason why they have so much power.", "it's a really, really good question. obviously there's a lot of benign and even some cool board communities on 8kun, 4chan, and other imageboard platforms who pretty much stay away from the bullshit and focus on their interest at hand.\n\nthough, to more directly answer your question with a focus on the latter part, i do personally think there's just far too much of the horrible toxicity as well as too many people defaulted to their evilest natures in those places for them to ever be appealing/accessible enough to the majority of internet users. therefore, the benefits those sites hold in terms of autonomy and whatnot simply won't outweigh the severe issues that come alongside — meaning there isn't a great likelihood of them ever becoming popular alternatives to overly-censored platforms like YouTube", "Calling it evil is so unbelievably hyperbolic", "I'll take the conspiracy a step further and say it's not just about making more money from advertisers. After all, YT revenue is a small percentage (<10%) of Alphabet Inc's gross revenue and probably still isn't even turning a profit for them. Why would Alphabet/Youtube generate so much ill will by adopting unpopular policies on a platform that loses money for them anyway?\n\nThe real power of YouTube is being able to manage, manipulate, and control the perceptions of the masses. YT massively impacts the popular culture. It can swing entire elections. It can shift the consciousness of the country. Historically, this power has been held by a very small number of people, the gatekeepers of information. Why would they allow this power to be decentralized and distributed among anyone with a cam and mic?\n\nStep out of line? Get de-monetized. Still don't want to play ball? Get de-platformed. An idea goes viral that threatens a certain narrative? Alter the algorithm. Propaganda is getting downvoted? Remove the dislikes.\n\nYou may think this is crazy. But Yuri Bezmenov said most of what the KGB did was not spying. Their main focus was manipulating the perceptions of the masses. I doubt the KGB were the only ones. There's too much power in it.", "It took about 50 seconds to get deleted. If you think that's a long time, then you have no idea how databases on a large scale work", "I wouldn't call TikTok a tiny app with 1,000 daily users.", "That's just because you are massively ignorant about other countries and think having free speech in the constitution makes you in any way special.\n\nMy country never had people assassinated or jailed for their leftist opinions.\n\nThe US did.", "You're right to an extent, but the real issue with the US isn't about what the little guy on the street says but the control of the platform that distributes viewpoints to the masses. Americans are conditioned that the biggest most widely-known voice is the most reputable one. So when the fat cats at the top simply don't allow anything but exactly the takes and discussions they want people to see to appear in their news at all you get censorship that is able to fully coexist in a sick and twisted harmony with the First Amendment. The average avid news-watcher's thoughts and opinions are far more shaped and influenced by the whims of billionaires than they would ever like to admit. [This has been going on for a long, long time.](https://i.imgur.com/eHa4uzT.jpg)", "This is cool, but I think people are going to end up not using the dislike button at all once they realize it's broken. And for everyday people that don't follow internet news, that's what it will seem like: \"hey why doesn't the dislike button work? It must be broken..\" \"huh.. still broken.. guess I won't use it anymore\"", "In this day and age, where brigaders are rampant, if you use the like/dislike ratio as a metric, you fucked up. Watch the video. Judge for yourself, or read the comments.", "Want to know what else there's a lot of on youtube? First aid videos. You know what would be really really bad? If someone who was already feeling in a rush and panicky tried to look up a first aid video and accidentally used one with really bad advice because they couldn't tell from the like dislike ratio how bad it was", "The comments?", "Well, this is awesome. I no longer have to game the Youtube Premium free trials in order to enable background play.", "Censored freedom!", "You just plug in some AI and you're all good. I wonder what Smarterchild is up to these days.", "commietube been shaddow band for a long time", "It is different because YouTube is part of advertisement company. They get most money not from the content that users are creating and uploading but from ads that they can show while this content is displayed. \nWhen you use D+ or Netflix or HBO or whatever... you are actually paying for interrupted access to that content. \n\n\nPS: Pirate the shit out of these services! Platform exclusivity should not be a thing.", "Community moderated in the sense where individual users have limited moderation powers, but there are higher level moderators that are fewer, yet have more power.\n\nModerators would be granted a small allocation of the blockchain rewards for successful moderation, and abusive moderation would lead to loss of stake.\n\nI'm not going to be the one designing the platform, so my words mean very little. But there are successful moderation schemes built with this type of framework, so examples already exist.", "I just did the same thing and made sure it was explicitly clear to their support team the reason why", "And his twitch stream too - It's been amazing watching episode 2 come together and it's almost done!", "A profit motivated system being bad?\n\nWho could've predicted this!\n\n\nIn other news: global warming is solved as we have now hooked up all of the world energy production to the Karl Marx as he rapidly spinns in his grave. Some scientists say the spinning is accelerating and the massive release of energy might cause a catastrophe. Their concerns were dismissed as \"depressing\".", "yall morons are blowing up over a man getting shadow banned for posting about handjobs an offical youtube video. yall some dumb motherfuckers right here. \n\nyou know what other site has shadow banning like this? reddit.", "That seems like a bit of a stretch to me. I would think if you keep getting useless videos you're more likely to watch fewer youtube videos overall as you lose faith in it and find your time wasted. If you get exactly what you're looking for, you are more likely to devote more time in general on youtube, whether that be for more on the same relevant topic or as a go-to for additional topics. Plus, youtube can still judge a video by looking at ratio of likes to views, or views in general to drive the algorithm without a dislike button", "yAlL cAnT bEhAvE", "What's funny is that YouTube premium is worth the money more than literally any other streaming service I use. And it's the cheapest lol.", "It’s a big company; you’d think at some point someone would have known that this would look horrible. Did they think people wouldn’t figure it out??", "Testing this... Brb...\n\nYup, they deleted it. Didn't say anything about voting.", "Why is social media censorship not a bigger problem but this is?", "just like folks above talked about with amazon though, the positive reviews are mostly just noise. what you really need is a way to read negative reviews. right now, reddit supplies that.", "At this point, I'm convinced the only people upset about this are the brigaders.", "Why do advertisers have to ruin everything. Pure fucking scumsuckers. If you read this and you work in ads go fuck yourself", "Yeah thanks, I was thinking about emoji shortcuts in slack. That's what I get for redditing while working.", "Time to make a new platform.", "If that was the case it could make more sense to run hosting on your own or host it on any other platform. \nYouTube is unbeatable when it comes to community size rn. They might not make the majority of their money through YouTube but people find and discover them on YouTube which is the most important part.", "It took years for our company to get a google review removed as it was blatantly made up, we even had proof it was.\n\nSo they do remove them but it's not easy to get it done and yes the company does spend a decent amount on advertising.", "Whenever this shit happens i just make a report to the bbb", "Review sites will often reach out to business owners and ask them to pay to have the negative reviews removed.\n\nThis happened to my moms accounting firm even though 100% of her clients are referral only, a bunch of negative reviews started popping up and then she started getting calls saying that they’d remove all the reviews and “moderate future reviews” for like $1000/month.\n\nIt’s a great little ~~scam~~ business!", "Maybe I am doing it wrong, but that's not what upsets me. What upsets me is that the are able to screen every review with that much scrutiny, but can't screen a single product being sold.", "Citizen, your dissent is inappropriate", "I had the same with google reviews. It just gets deleted.", "Let's just tweet at them", "Hopefully they'll delete all that furries videos.", "Fake. Someone is logged into your account on another computer and deleted the comment then you reload. 🤷🏻", "Tiktok. Seriously. Tiktok has created a beach head against youtube. Unlike most competitors, they have the might of ChiCom behind them. Say what you want about China but they can be very single minded if they want something to succeed. I don't like Tiktok because I'm an old GenX and zoomer culture is beyond me. But Tiktok is probably what will keep Google in check as a competitor.", "There are boobs on YouTube lol", "The comment section is already gone for Art Tracks (the auto-generated songs found in \"Topic\" channels). YouTube literally said that it was difficult to moderate those comments.", "I mean, if I'm a bmw dealer and I don't want my ads showing on videos about porn I think that's reasonable. \n\nWhat am I missing?", "I've left negative app reviews, the developer responds and then my review is deleted so I'll leave a new one and then that one is deleted as well and never responded to.", "I am pretty sure they pay people to put up fake reviews or else their is some Wells Fargo level shenanigans going on because what you jokingly said actually happened to my moms business [as I outline in the comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7zjjm/youtube_is_deleting_comments_from_creators_who/hn4lye1/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3)\n\nBasically a bunch of fake reviews popped up and a few weeks later they reached out saying they could remove them for money.\n\nI wouldn’t be surprised if they were the ones that put the reviews up.", "Isn't what you're describing borderline a conspiracy?", "Or that people will actually care. There are other video hosting sites, if youtube was delivering such a bad product people would leave. Hell it could still get so bad that it drives people to that, or even something new. Look at imgur.", "no :)", "Picture in picture is not what the guy is looking for or are you too stupid to figure it out?", "the what?", "This right here. I only feel remotely confident if it has thousands of reviews/ratings...\n\nI also typically look at the percentage of votes across star levels. Some 1-star reviews is fine with me, so long the rest are mostly 5-stars. Too much of a mix is concerning.", "Goddammit what a tone deaf social media account.", "Sounds like a conspiracy theory lol.", "Margarita slushies!", "Damn, think we found the guy who's fee fees youtube was protecting", "This is exactly true. Where you can have a platform to sell things, with your entire livelyhood at their mercy.", "Yup. A greatly underutilized feature. \n\nex: \"hiding of the dislike count\" site:www.reddit.com/r/videos\n\nUsing google, that search returns this thread as the first result. The Reddit search just isn't that effective.", "as jawed, one of the founders of YouTube, once said \"it's about looking through all of the user generated content and looking for a gem among them\" he knew that most content wouldn't be good, and that there would only be a few among the crowd. but now? even the platform itself is stopping people from finding those gems\n \n\nright now there's enough quality YouTubers to keep me watching, but with how the platform is going? I don't think that's going to be the case for long", "its to combat bots and toxicity. if you can make the users waste time posting to no one you buy a lot of time for them to realize they are banned.", "I see your point 100%. Did you consider asking the telling the game store what you said in your first comment and asking if they could half way price match? I know it’s a long shot and kind of overextending", "Exactly. Just another reason not to give any more time to YT. \nDo you remember when people were talking about it as if it was some hot topic? Where did it go? People just moved to another service - PATREON. And what is next? How many more services people need to create to keep some basic youtube functionality?\n\nWe already use extensions to keep dislike buttons, we use extensions to remove ads every 10 seconds in some videos, we use scripts to make the videos to run in HD... because youtube does not support these basic functionalities.\n\nThis platform functionality is not working for us clearly if we need to fix it by using external code injection.", "Aaaaaaand now THAT is tyranny. YouTube is now a tyranny.", "People can migrate, and by damn that odysee site is pretty damn stable and clean.", "Have you ever worked in retail or food service?", "What I’m describing? That people buy anything that fits their preconceived worldview? \n\nNo, that in no way approaches a conspiracy", "Literally Chrome & Firefox now have extensions where you can see the dislikes lol", "Nope. One of the folks who worked with him troubleshooting the bug. Legit.", "so he got banned for a comment that is not longer visible on his account.", "It's too bad you've devolved this discussion into your own jingoism. I'm not here to rank which country is currently the \"winner.\"\n\nBut you do have me curious what nation the world has never assassinated any leaders of social reform, had soldiers commit war crimes, and never killed any larger populations of people. Please tell.", "Iv been using YouTube since I was a kid, and I have never used the like/dislike buttons. I like to make judgments for myself. Not dictated by the size of the damn lightsaber. Fuck like and dislikes.", "And yet- the video is posed on YouTube. If you hate a thing so much, why do you support it by using it? I seriously don’t understand this. Everyone is so pissed about an irrelevant dislike button and the greedy monetization of YouTube, but STILL continue to use it.\n\nI spent years reporting posts containing threats of violence and rape to Facebook. Only to have them say the posts are well within their guidelines- so I stopped supporting them by deleting my account. \n\nI disliked a company’s practices- so I stopped using their product. Is this not a typical response? Does everyone continue to use things they hate?", ">Almost as dumb as when a bunch of people collectively decided to give their money to women who don't even see them as humans.\n\nI mean, they don't see the women as human, either. Literally objectification. \n\nSo it sounds far to me.", "Oh so now censorship is bad huh....", "I feel like with the vast power behind YouTube's processing and server farms, they could come up with some kind of EXTREMELY advanced detection system that can tell when a video is getting bombed with dislikes and then simply turn off the dislike display for that video alone.\n\nEspecially considering they can track where a YT link was served up from, and how long a user watched a video before leaving a dislike...making it absurdly easy to tell when some Reddit/4chan/Facebook/Discord scheme is pushing thousands of users to the same video who are just there to hit \"dislike\".\n\nBut pointing out good ways to go about this is totally moot since there's so many obvious and easy paths to take, that it just makes it clear that it was never about any of the reasons they've given.\n\nOne of my best friends from childhood is a VP over on the YouTube side of Google, I'm going to ask him next time we grab brunch.", "There's definitely such a thing as a step too far, creating momentum that never turns back. AOL, Digg, Myspace, and Yahoo all come to mind - once completely dominant but supplanted by something better and more user-friendly.", "I haven't, I wouldnt feel comfortable asking that unless it was to the owner themself, but even then itd be awkward and could turn confrontational.", "True, but an increasingly larger amount of youtubers have connected their accounts to Odysee and upload all the same content there. Generally I check both now.\n\nIt's not a competitor but it's a healthy start. I simply don't like what google is doing so I try to minimize my usage. I never realized how important dislikes were for so many videos but good lord now that it's gone it's very difficult to gauge if you're going to waste your time with niche content.", "The BBB has been doing this for years. If you don't have an account with them and a person complains about something about your business they will give you an \"F\" rating and call you and say they will give you an \"A\" rating if you join the BBB for the low price of $50 a year.", "You couldn’t tell that with dislike counts", "Maybe I'm too much of an optimist, but maybe they're implementing a new auto-check comment system to detect if there's any flagrantly offensive comments. People talk a lot about how the hate can be easily spun on the internet and this is their way to combat it; do I think that it's a good way in doing that? no, but judging how Google uses an algorithm for everything, I can see it being a thing.\n\nThe problem obviously is that there seems to be a wide overreach in that it has to check through everything, and no offense, especially with furry content I imagine it's high up on the list to check out and make sure than if it were some random video.", "Compared them. The US comes out on top by miles.", "Damn youve never used the like/dislike button? You're kinda a shit viewer then considering likes and dislikes play a massive part on how the algorithm recommends stuff. But beyond the hyperbolism of \"never used this system\" i have a feeling the difference is that you made shit videos and couldn't handle people not liking whatever dumpster fires you toss out.", "These posts always strike me as weird because there are tons of comments and videos criticizing the downvote removal but most don't use the word \"handjob\". \n\nLike the people who claim they are being silenced on video game twitch chats because they were \"banned for criticizing...\" when in actuality the critique included loads of vulgarity or it was spammed endless times. \n\nThe comment that got him \"muted\" was an attack on another commenter and used the word \"handjob\" which isn't family-friendly. Go to the same comment section and you will find tons of criticism. \n\nThis is what happens when someone bans you from their channel. Your comments vanish. It means he probably got a global ban or mute. If it's a conspiracy why not go after more widely viewed critics, or why leave up adjacent critical comments?\n\nPersonally, I like a nice organic dislike feature. But go to any controversial chat section and you will see people claiming they were banned for criticizing when in actuality they were banned for toxicity. I mean why would google make targeted efforts on random people while leaving the vast majority and the loudest voices alone?", "Creators have to work for their money. Get your Patreon and sell merchandise.", "So... Evil then.\n\nYou just wasted my time reading your comment though so fair deuce", "Nothing happened in YouTube 2021", "I googled how to see YouTube comments on a Chromecast TV, there is no way. Kinda sucks sometimes.", "These assholes have been allowing insane disinformation on their platform throughout these critical election cycles and several years of pandemic. Now they want to hide even the most basic ways people can mark content as being trash.\n\nYT is really being run by pieces of shit there's no denying it.", "Not worth the 20 quarters, then.", "With instagram, tick tock, and even Snapchat, I severely doubt YouTube shorts will take off.", "Never made a video. Try again.\n\nAlso what sorta shitty gate keep is that? I'm a \"shit veiwer\" because I dont use those buttons that mean nothing to me?", "Literally everyone who has used a programming or other technical tutorial on YouTube before. Suddenly it is a lot harder to decide if the tutorial is good or bad.", "Hijacking the top comment. Feel free leave a comment on YouTube CEO's channel:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/NJRSstTMDy0", "So basically, you’re entirely reliant on the time wasted by others to save you the 4 minutes of watching a sub-par video? Seriously… How did all the people who clicked your coveted dislike button the video know it was bad before watching it? \n\nThey watched the video and found out on their own. Just like you now have to do. \n\nSide note- a dislike on a YouTube video carries about as much weight as a downvote does on Reddit. Just because its disliked, doesn’t always mean it’s bad.", "There aren't really any good alternatives for YouTube. All the creators that I watch are on there it I've been using ad blockers on my PC and a second party app on my phone. These fuckers don't see any ad money from me.", "I'll stop using YouTube when the content creators I enjoy stop using it.", "Ugh, the other problem is fake \\products\\... it's also possible that other people did get a product worthy of the good reviews, and you just happened to get a shitty knockoff. The best part is, you can't even use the \"seller\" to judge a product, because Amazon treats all the products until that ID as fungible, so if you buy from GreatSeller5Star, but the same item that ShitBoxKnockOff sent in is closer to you, you'll get the item from the shitty seller, even though you paid the higher price to buy from the good seller.", "he said \"handjob\" the algorithm/ai flagged his account as potential spam/pornography and hes likely shadowbanned...", "I could just listen to that voice.", "Well said. If I pay attention to anything, it’s the watch count.", ">As someone who legitimately has all 5 star reviews for my business (only about 20 though) this is worrisome. I pride myself on my service and have asked most clients to leave reviews on Google as I had more faith in them than Facebook or Zillow. Guess I need to re-evaluate.\n\nI know government regulation can be burdensome for businesses, but one of the reasons for so many laws is because if you tolerate bad business practices then good businesses suffer, and bad people are constantly finding new ways to be bad. I think review manipulation has gotten to the point that it needs to be regulated. I'm not an expert on this topic, so I'm not sure exactly what that would entail, but something has to change.\n\n>If everyone is great, no one is.\n\nHonestly, if all the businesses in my town were genuinely worthy of 5-star reviews, I'd be fine with that. But everyone getting 5 stars whether they deserve it or not? Yeah, no.", "combatting bots and toxicity is evil. man you need help.", "I really like the idea of adnauseum lol that's very entertaining. \n\nI do need to clear my cookies again, though I'm not sure if blocking ads hurts the site more or the youtubers themselves.", "I wonder if likes/views ratio could become the new metric we all use, and if an addon might go that direction instead of this one once the API is broken. It'll be less explicit than likes/dislikes ratio we mentally estimate now, but probably similarly useful - we'll just have to learn what constitutes a good or bad likes/views ratio.", "> Yes, but free speech is one area where the US is more liberal than most other Western countries.\n\n\nTell that to MLK, Fred Hampton, Malcolm X, and all the others killed by the government for their speech.", "I just use SponsorBlock", "no it's not. go too google, type in what you want to search and add \"site:reddit\" boom, good search engine.", "yes, that's literally the point.\n\n> You have to rely on 3rd party apps to actually see what was removed\n\nyou could also just view the thread in an incognito window.", "Buy as little as possible, I suppose.", "I like having money", "Being a human sucks ass. Dolphins don't have to put up with this shit.", "Why not both?", "I get more pissed by the day.", "This YouTube animator is a guy who makes fan animation of “not Starfox”. He does pretty good work!\n\nhttps://youtu.be/uieM18rZdHY", "1. Not all videos have comments. Sometimes comments are disabled.\n\n2. Comments aren't always in a language you understand.\n\n3. Having to read the comments to find out if a video is good or bad is stupid and takes a lot more time than before when you could just peek at the like/dislike ratio.", "You better start telling them that you want to move. They are not putting their videos on YouTube because they just want to be limited to that platform. They are not doing it for the lulz. They are placing their videos on youtube for the money. They are publishing their creations on YT because it is where viewers like you are going.\n\nWithout viewers on a specific platforms they are not getting any money from that platform. Or... You can just use adblock. No more money from you on that platform and you can directly support them with cash by using platforms like patreon or floatplane.\n\nIt just shows that the decision is in hands of the public. The same goes for your decision on where you want to watch these videos. Creators are where the money is so if they wont get enough from ads on Youtube they will go to wherever they will get most.\n\nThey are like truffle pigs.", "Then just watch it and judge for yourself. Do you really need a bunch of other people to tell you how you should think?", "Not to mention how they can sell multiple very different products under one store page and the reviews count for all of them. e.g. I was looking at a product page for car headlight assemblies and the reviews included were for multiple versions and multiple different vehicles.", "India and Philippines. Source: I used to work as google support back in 2010 in Philippines. The outsourced company name is concentrix.", "That's because most of the shorts are just cross-posted from TikTok. It's also back to the bad old days of \"aggregator\" accounts with generic names like ViralBoom or something that are stealing other people's content so they can monetize it for themselves. That means one of those accounts can shovel a lot more good content into their little eyesockets while still basically being TikTok.", "Odysee actually lets you automatically transfer all your youtube videos over. It isn't the same but I'm in favor of any competitor.", "AKA 2030, The Davos Agenda, The Great Reset", "And the big guys are clearly fighting for that attention market.", "Crowder isn't fighting for anyone but himself and his wallet lmao", "r/YouTubeTitties and r/YouBoobers", "Did you miss the first half of the comment or something?", "It's the fate of everything that becomes popular in a capital-driven society. Anything that draws enough of a user base will catch the attention of entities that have an ocean of money that can never be full. They'll buy it and rearrange it into a profit engine. Maybe that'll destroy it a few years down the line, or simply ruin it for a large share of users, who will find themselves stuck with it anyway thanks to monopoly power. Either way, quarterly profits will be higher for awhile, and that's all that ever matters.", "Fuck YouTube. When is a competitor going to come along and make something better so we don't have to use it?", "You can't say 'hj' on youtube.. if you miss the dislike bar you can install the browser extention: 'return youtube dislike'. \n\n\nThis video is false information.", "Most reasonable youtubers use some external way to get money that is more reliable than youtube ads revenue so it does not hurt them. It does become a problem for smaller youtubers that are just starting with their adventure but they have something important to say. They are lost either way with youtube algorithm that does have irrational requirements on what is promoted.\n\nAdNauseam is awesome. :>", "As someone just starting to see my channel get attention that could very soon lead to meaningful monetization, I wish these fucksticks would stop running their platform into the ground. As a user this shit just pisses me off, as a creator I get genuinely concerned.", "And yet they decided to pay millions of dollars just to start this thing. They might have more faith in this small form factor than you because they see some value in keeping viewers attention.", "Because people who are spending their hard-earned money are less inclined to put up with an awful experience.", "While it seems like the userbase is complaining and not for it .. I'd imagine the majority of that same userbase just doesn't care at all about the change or the outrage that's been created around it.", "Sure have, though I don't see what that has to do with the price of butter.", "Please everyone, [contact YouTube and ask them to add the dislike counter back.](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/4347644?co=GENIE.Platform%3DAndroid&oco=0)", "They'll just buy out any threat to them or hold hands lol", "I linked to GitHub and Archive once each and since then I seem to have been put on a URL naughty list. Half my comments are ghosted. Visible to only me.", "Yeah Ive been following Fox for a while. He has been on a tear lately trying to figure out what happened to his comments. They even deleted his comments congratulating another animator. \n\nThe lack of dislikes is already hitting my feed too. Im finding shit videos with misleading titles and it just looks like a positive like ratio.", "Will it be Ben or will it be the removal of the dislike button that really catches even bigger fire?", "Is this all because of that Nintendo Switch Online Expansion Plus or whatever video getting downvoted to oblivion?", "I have an Chrome extension that re-adds the dislike count ( desktop only at this stage)", "lmao youtube is turning into a shitshow", "Than boycott it aswell.", "I'm wondering if Google is actuallly going back to this study in 2014 about the cycle of negative feedback. Granted I want to see dislikes in how-to videos but bad online behavoir is out of control. https://tubularinsights.com/youtube-comments-down-voting/", "I'm just thinking of those awful vile channels that pretend to \"rescue\" puppies and kittens from torture, but they are actually fabricating it for views. \n\nThe best way to suss out nasty channels that try to make cash from the kindness in people's hearts was the dislike ratio. It is going to be so much harder to tell real videos with fake ones. Grim. \n\nAlso, high dislike on an otherwise wholesome video often made me do research into why the video or creator was hated, which was really useful in working out who I wanted to support and watch.\n\nCancel culture is gross, but the opposite where nothing can be wrong is worse.", "Furry-enthusiasm aside, this is fucked up.", "Yeah, I use that all the time!! Saved me a few times!", "Very true. It's time for YouTube to perish as it has become a dystopian tool. And the new platform should probably never become a publicly traded company as it will once again turn into an unsustainable chase of shareholder profit. You can make good money in any business, but you can never keep growing at the same fast pace.", "Is Nebula worth it?", "Wait... megatechcorp is censoring the message being presented on its platform? looks over the past 15 years I thought we were ok with that. /s", "I don't remember ever being able to sort or filter by scores, but apparently it was there in the early days\n\nhttps://youtu.be/7xVzQXPepo8?t=43\n\nBut even when you couldn't, you could also immediately see the score when clicking on the video and click off if it was low. Now you basically gotta watch it through and keep watching till you hit a good video and get your gambling style reward", "People should collectively decide to just dislike everything. Open random videos, immediately dislike them, and exit. It will fuck with YouTube’s numbers, and if enough people do it and make it well-known that they’re doing it, advertisers will become aware, and YouTube won’t even be able to tell them that dislikes are still a sign of engagement.", "Probably not deleting but you absolutely get threads posted by the company marketing themselves and vote manipulation for the thread and a bunch of positive comments. It happens all the time and it's even more nefarious astroturfing than Amazon, where as a direct sales platform you expect them to paint a good picture. \n\nThat's not all of reddit though. Smaller hobby subs are going to have good discussion usually. \n\nI usually just Google \"thing + problems\" and try and get a picture that way.", "A lot of posts on the front page are just removed seemingly arbitrarily, TBH.\n\nEdit: Actually, according to one of the comments on that subreddit's pinned post, most removals are actually reposts.", "That's fair I suppose. Omelettes and eggs, right?", "Shadowbanned", "Liberty Mutual would like a word with you.", "i think the wikipedia gang should extend it to video content... it's one of the rare nice things we have.", "At this point, somebody is going to need to create a paid alternative to YouTube. Unfortunately the only way to truly get away from this satisfy corporations even at the detriment of everyone else model... is not to have advertising. \n\nAt the end of the day, these changes are being made because major companies are complaining. It's silly that YouTube is making the changes because they literally have zero competition, they should laugh at them and say no, but they are probably also being paid A LOT of money to make these changes...\n\nThe only other option would be to have some sort of regulation on this stuff, but I really don't trust the government to do something that would actually help the situation at this point. Since Neoliberals basically act like YouTube, Progressives (in Congress) have no idea what they're doing, and Republicans are just the Neoliberals without the lying about their love of corporate money...", "Maybe they are ignorant. Though maybe they understand that better countries exist but the United States, even with it's flaws and still offers a better life than most parts of the globe. Instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt and asking a probing question, you assumed the worst and launched into attack mode which shut the discussion down and left all parties in a worse state than before engaging.", "Who else did it happen to other than this guy?", "Indeed you cannot cook eggs without breaking some omelettes if that's what you are asking..", "enjoying your global marxist fascist Government-Corporations dystopia yet?\n\nthis is only the beginning. You'll really like the social credit and carbon footprint tracker coming soon.\n\nYOU wanted this. Woke dipshits.", "I dislike every video I watch on youtube as a protest on Youtube, I hate their decision sooo much.", "lmao the last minute belongs on /r/contagiouslaughter", "I'm going to go out on a limb here and say... It's very possible this is just a bug. They released a new version (internally) to remove the dislike button I'm sure. And that big of a change probably caused unexpected results. If this guy would have provided the actual comments or even a new one before it deleted they could investigate and possibly fix it.\n\nNot saying YT should have done what they did, but this guy is also a \"handjob\".", "YouTube's been bleeding power for a while now. Seems like they just keep doubling down and losing.", "I've had the same thing happen to me. Left a very in depth review of this place that had terrible food and it was shadow banned. Like I could see the review, but it wasn't listed if I visited from another browser.", "Youtube didnt used to have ads people bitchesd and look atbwjere we are now.", "It's time to review-bomb YouTube. We also need a new app just as good as it.\n\nYouTube has taken a liking to being the monopoly controller, and now have advanced to dystopian control and no opinions allowed, all for the sake of more views and revenue for them.\n\nRemember guys, GOOGLE is who owns YouTube. Fuck Google.", "Yes but a simple way to see if it is one is to try and share it or lower it.", "Advertisers want this kind of control because they still live in year 1990, when picking what content your ad is paired with is vital because it's the only way to aim at a given target audience. \n\nExcept it's year 2020 now, and, for better or worse, we got algorithms that can find your target audience anywhere - no matter if it's watching a 4-hour cute cat video compilation or a documentary on the economic collapse of Venezuela. There is very little need in targeting content when you can take aim at audiences directly.\n\nA lot of the big name brands weren't having it though. But if YouTube, the biggest dog of online video advertisement, the literal \"no competition\" platform, hardlined \"we give you the tools to target the audiences - use them to target the audiences\"? Advertisers would have no option but to cave. \n\nInstead, it was YouTube who caved. Allowed advertisement money to decide what content the platform is allowed to have. Enter: demonetization hell.", "Give it like a week.", "Same thing happened for a restaurant I reviewed.", "I never disliked a single video but im still bothered the dislike count is hidden.", "What is YouTube’s thinking here? AI to filter every video made…", "[google walk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn4nRCC9TwQ)\n\nIt was only a matter of time before it took over. I wonder if the people \"in charge\" are ok.", "I'm sure that will be great for those creators mental health 🙄", "I see a future DAO in the horizon for video sharing in the future", "The number of times I find myself swearing at Google for seemingly having a very specific idea of what looking for that is just plain wrong is staggering. Even the autocomplete seems to completely change the search terms sometimes, but I'm willing to believe that's somehow user error.", "My work has nothing to do with ads but I will fuck myself regardless", "I’d like to point out that YouTube Rewind 2018 holds the record for the most disliked video on YouTube.\n\nI’m sure that had absolutely no bearing whatsoever on their decision to remove the dislike counter.", "YouTube almost wants to lose out against other video platforms, eh?", "Can someone make a competitor called metube and just don’t make it a stupid social media site, just a video hosting site with a good search function?", "yeah no these times are over. Murica is run by commies now, guess what.", "Yeah apparently the big banking types are really puritan about this. They happily launder money for terrorists though, go figure.", "Thinking you know what constitutes \"toxicity\" to the point of censorship is evil.\n\nUnadulterated evil.", "I got banned from two subs using wikileaks and mainstream media showing it's true. Although it should be obvious if you hang out in those subs.", "So much for freedom of speech.", "no i think its a useful tool to combat bots and toxicity. i bet you're in favor of banning people spreading misinformation about vaccines and don't see the identical problem there.", "Which they are allowed to do (and should have every right to do) as a private entity.", "It's more likely just business as porn has a higher percentage of chargeback and fraud.", "Because people click away from videos that have lots of dislikes on them before they have time to watch the ads.", "Switch to Odysee", "Not to mention that eventually you will get a 1 star review from some customer who is being unreasonable, and some 3 star reviews from people who think 3 is the \"default\" and 5 is only for if the place gives you a free handjob, and you'll end up looking like the shitty one because you're not scummy enough to scrub it.", "they're not the government moron. that's not how this works.", "Ermmmm.. tf you watching lol.", "They did make it so you had to achieve a threshold before you can begin to monetize which killed it for me at just shy of 100 videos posted. Like, I was fine I could not withdraw my $11.30 until it was $500 but I knew it was going to sting if I actually attracted viewers but I didn't get anything for pulling in the initial blow up in views for Google to make money on.", "Follow MSM youtube vids on Biden, the vaccine, COVID-19, etc. The vids are continuously downvoted. Well, I guess you can't see them now, but it's pretty clear that ppl are discontent. I guess they want to pretend that democracy exists.", "It's bad, but definitely not bad enough to impact YouTube. Normies won't even notice that dislike counts are gone. Would you leave if something you didn't notice was taken away?", "Yeah it’s debatable if that’s fair. Check the upvotes in the reposts. If the sub upvotes it to the top I think it’s narcissist as hell for the subs mods to just axe it and all the related discussions because “they’ve seen it before”.", "Or it could be like pokemon go where people refused to stop mentioning it for months and purposely not buying any add ons. Hopefully thats the case.", "They will.", "OK what's the alternative?", "Epstein stuff ring a bell? If things don’t get enough closer and enough time goes by it’ll disappear. Companies understand that which is why they are way overstepping their bounds doing stuff like this in recent years.", "Their loss to let tiktok, twitch, etc. win.", "Youtube doesn't even have to kiss any corporate asses. Where else are they gonna advertise? Sure, there's instagram etc, but Google owns most of the ad platforms.", "You can 100% remove google reviews. My company does it. If it’s a legit bad review from a verified customer, it stays up. If it’s a bad review from a misunderstanding, we respond and it stays up. We definitely get lying reviews deleted. I’m 100% sure of that.", "Yes, because their comment didn't have any content of its own", "Just stop using youtube, damn. I've been hating it sooo much lately that I only go to it when someone on Reddit links the stupid site. \nIt's such a toxic ass advertising machine now that i just backout of whatever link I click to it.", "You are probably one of the worst, because you complain about people complaining about a problem you admit is real", "I strongly disagree. The like / dislike ratio is extremely important particularly on stuff like straightforward tutorial / how-to videos, which are typically fairly innocuous when taken at face value and rarely if ever \"brigaded\". There, the ratio is pretty much always a decent indicator of the accuracy of the information being conveyed. \n \nAdditionally, hiding dislikes is an actively pro-propaganda move in general in my opinion. Borderline dangerous conspiracy theory type stuff that is largely negatively received, but for whatever reason does not fit the criteria for full-on removal from the site, should not be seen in a light of \"oh, 5000 people liked this!\" while the 600,000 people who might have disliked it have their opinion hidden away. \n \nVideos that get heavily downvoted for clear, justifiable reasons are vastly more common than ones that get \"brigaded\" and heavily downvoted for less justifiable reasons.", "If you comment \"Like this comment if you disliked this video\" or any variation it will be deleted within a day, usually less on any video.", "Alright, then how do I get it on ios for free? Furthermore the creators still get the same payout as if you had watched an ad instead.", "Same applies to equipment reviews, I buy a lot of music gear online and watching people demo it is basically how I make the choice on what product I need, if I am trying something new I like that people with more experience than me can pan a bad review/demo and keep reviewers honest, today I wanted to see a demo of a piece of software that had dislikes gone and comments disabled...", "If there is a better alternative, then I am gone. This is anti consumer and pro fraud. Just remember that when YouTube caves, they are still the stupid company for doing it in the first place. Not the hero for reverting away this stupid mess that they caused.", "As with anything on the internet if code is attached to it then it can and will be manipulated. https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/", "What a shitty company google is...", "My post got deleted when I talked about Gary Webb (the journalist who exposed the CIA trafficking drugs to black communities in the US in order to fund their illegal ops). Not sure which key words triggered the censorship as I didn't use swear words.", "Exactly. Look at Twitch versus Mixer. Competitor with a solid backer, and still fail.", "Looking at his comment history he is from Sweden, the country which cooperated with Hitler.", "Legion (FXX show), Better Call Saul, What We Do in the Shadows, Adventure Time (Main series and Distant Lands), The Good Place, Altered Carbon (first season), Stranger Things, Loki, etc... But that's 4 separate streaming services, meh. Hulu, HBO Max, Disney+, and Netflix. There are great shows out there.", "There isn't one", "It has been abundantly clear from the very beginning she has zero idea what YT is used for by normal [people, and is totally out of touch with reality.", "Internet in general is turning into television 2.0 with many welcoming the change to \"fight hate\"", "I don't understand why people care so much about the hiding if YouTube dislike count. Who gives a shit? The ability to dislike something is still in tact and it still performs the same function, namely recommendation personalization. All they've done is hide the number. Additionally, the creator can still see the number. So I don't understand why people are losing their collective shit over it. To be clear, I'm not speaking of the titular topic. That's kinda fucked up. And weird.", "Newsflash, the ppl running the disinformation campaigns ARE the government. Google, Twitter, Reddit, Facebook aren't all tightening up on free speech and banning ppl left and right independently.\n\nThe Guardian: US military studied how to influence Twitter users in Darpa-funded research\n\n>However, papers leaked by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden indicate that US and British intelligence agencies have been deeply engaged in planning ways to covertly use social media for purposes of propaganda and deception. They included a unit engaged in “discrediting” the agency’s enemies with false information spread online.\n\nCBS News: Social Media Is a Tool of the CIA. Seriously\n\n>Google is already helping the government write, and rewrite, history.", "People need to stop being so fucking sensitive", "I want an alternative to the Google ecosystem.", "XinaTube.", "Feels like this was a trick to make me watch some dumb furry shit", "Good thing you can't tell if a tutorial sucks now by *looking at the fucking downvotes.\n\nFuck you, YouTube. God I hope an alternate pops up.", "This isn't YouTube being closed to criticism, it's literally just about money. There's no reason to overcomplicate it.", ">It’s silly for me to believe that’s as abrasive as you get in the comment section.\n\nBelieve it or not, it is. If I had kept a record of all my messages that were censored versus those whose channels actively promote discourse (both positive or negative), it would be VERY telling.\n\nThe most 'toxic' thing I have ever said to a content creator was that I was tired of him making shit up about his community and his constantly retreading the topic was far more toxic than those who took issue with the content problems of monster hunter: rise (loved their content but every day a video attacking their community? when none of their attacks were true? fuck off).\n\nLeft that channel when I did too. Like, you have no reason to believe me, but it is true. I have had more constructive criticism removed than anything else (by constructive I mean like giving updates on a news story, pointing out where their problem was with a gameplay segment, having civil discussions about a topic in a hobby I enjoy). It is completely unfucking real how censored my youtube account is by both creators and the youtube platform. I even tried making a new one, and my posts go through on it for about a week, then it is back to full-on censorship again.\n\nIt is almost like my IP is flagged by someone with a VPN because of how bullshit it is when you are literally abiding by the ToS and never being allowed to post anything positive.", "Exactly. I don’t like the change but it doesn’t affect me at all.", "Oh my god shut up", "They're going to index this page, see your comment, and send someone to get you...", "You conspiracy theorists crack me up with how stupid yous look😂", "> Like, please point us to the exact non capitalist society which has developed a product similar to YouTube, existed longer than YouTube, and maintained a dislike feature similar to YouTube through it's continued existence.\n\nImagine telling a peasant living through feudalism something like this before capitalism took hold...\n\nJust because you fail to imagine a better system, doesn't mean this dystopia is permanent. Revolutions don't happen overnight.", "Can someone explain what the big deal is?", "Sorry to tell you that but players that stopped playing for a moment barely made a dent and the number of Pokemon GO players is rising - [https://activeplayer.io/pokemon-go/](https://activeplayer.io/pokemon-go/)\n\nSince 2016 (release of PGO) Niantic became 60 times more \"valuable\" mostly because of this game. They were worth around 150 million and now they are estimated around 9 billion dollars. There is a reason why almost 60% of gaming industry worth right now is around mobile games.\n\nSome people on reddit talking about their disapproval and not really doing anything about it? This is exactly the type of networth coverage this youtube situation is getting. Even less of a dent... A little mark... not visible to anyone above this comment section and barely noticeable by shareholders.", "What does it include other than no ads?", "Youtube: No no no we're not censoring public opinion, this is for small content creators who are unfairly targeted by dislike bombing! \n\n\nAlso Youtube: STFU about what we're doing content creators, get censored lol.", "I'll never understand how Skype became so popular. Its interface was vastly inferior to that of all the other IMs of the day.", "Dear YouTube,\n\nBooks for Dummies is still around. You wont be missed.\n\nSincerely.", "If only there was a simple way, like a button you can click, to publicly show my disapproval of these actions.", "This is why Facebook is dead and it's not the 5th most popular site on the internet. Oh, wait...", "This happens all the time on Reddit as well. You can be effectively banned from dozens of subreddits and you'll never be notified because your comments will be automatically removed by bots, but still show up to you.\n\nYou can use something like https://www.reveddit.com/about/ to see all the comments Reddit has removed without ever informing you about.", "ads do suck but i'd rather see them than pay for search or youtube", "Unpopular content that may even be borderline dangerous without quite qualifying for removal should* in fact be publicly visible as unpopular to the exact extent that it is. If a video has 10,000 likes, but 50,000 dislikes, seeing only the likes is wildly misleading.", "Yeah I really hope something like Floatplane takes off. Something like YouTube but owned and operated by creators.", "How fucking hard is it to simply make it a channel option?", "It's only optional if you don't actually work in ads", "Look at his name \"imafraidofmuricans.\" The discussion was never going to be anything but masturbatory to him.", "these are not private companies, they're agents of the state.", "Sure. You are saying rather than adopting any known system we transition to something new. \n\nIsn't that something literally that happens year after year through the Democratic process? We elect leaders, they draft changes to laws, vote on those, changes, implement them if they pass, and then enforce them. \n\nIt's not like we can just ditch capitalism over night and declare an entire new system. That would be incredibly drastic and couldn't possibly work. We have to make changes slowly over time until what we have is entirely unrecognizable. \n\nSo rather than denouncing an entire ideology, perhaps we come up with productive talking points and provide alternative solutions to the issues we have identified.", "Go woke go broke cunts. \n\n\nEveryone should start moving to bitchute and other viable platforms at this point.", "If you're not going to show me the count, at least show me the ratio.", "They don't care.\n\nPeople who pay for premium are almost certainly power users like myself, and our excessive streaming use probably costs them more in bandwidth than we pay in premium fees. Video streaming is extraordinarily expensive.\n\nThey're probably making more off of you leaving premium and see ads than they were with you paying a monthly fee.", "\n>If corporations are astro turfing reddit im boned\n\nOh well...", "the people were rejecting the propaganda and that's just not allowable.", "they have no proof of it, or they would have shown it.", "YouTube comment really aren't much to miss imo but it's the principle. Removing such basic and standard features should not be a thing.", "Thanks for the idea...just gave them a 1 star. I'll update if my review disappears!", "How is that a conspiracy lol. Every major company is a partner of the world economic forum, founded by Klaus Schwab. They openly talk about this stuff.", "\"I asked for the manager to complain about the walls and he drop-kicked my baby through a window. I came back at 6am the next day to talk to the owner about their terrible employees, and I stood outside in the cold knocking on the door for two hours before the owner showed up\"", "peertube works great for this purpose. you can set up your own video site with it very easily", "Right now those stand out, the parent comments talk about how they will normalize it. It will eventually happen gradually over years.", "There are ways this can be solved without dislikes coming back at least! YouTube could start to give awards by using AI to try and guess the context for the video and based on the like to dislike ratio internally.\n\nExample, a \"how to fix computer problem video!\". Has 56,000 likes, 70 dislikes, YouTube uses ai to check the comments, title and description to tell it's a video that's a guide for something, uses this info to give it the \"useful!\" Award. Makes it so we can see if videos are useful while bad guide videos just have nothing.", "sounds like the beginning of the end to me.", "Look if you wanna be a conspiracy theorist go do it on Facebook. I refuse to take people like you seriously", "The end is hilarious lmaoo", "people absolutely do read them.", "Capitalism baby", "You’re denying reality calling me a conspiracy theorist.\n\nEdit: [https://www.weforum.org/partners](https://www.weforum.org/partners)\n\n[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Schwab)\n\n[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Economic_Forum)", "When i moved into my house next to this large industrial plant i was not told that there would be industrial noise!", "You're a business genius", "And basically they are using \"We're protecting POC and LBGTQ+ creators.\" As a bullshit cover. Hoping that people who argue against it would be coming from a bad faith argument.", "No i’m really not, i’m just refusing to take a random internet person seriously. I’m not even gonna continue replying to you so don’t bother replying to this, like i said go spit this shit on Nazibook", "> And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up! \n\nReminds me of the scene from the Matrix where Neo was given the phone call he asked for, but his mouse got sealed shut.\n\nSpeak up watch your your comment get deleted.", "So fuckin look it up yourself. You sound like a tool, can’t even do a basic search. Get back to me tell me what part I made up or what if anything I said is conspiracy.", "Good thing adblockers exist", "I used to be fascinated by marketing, ads, etc... realized around jr year hs that i had way too many scruples for that.", "There is nothing on Peertube. Unless there is some actual content people care about, it will never become relevant.", "Those are the same thing.", "Nice bait.", "Ah I see so we're talking about different things. I definitely agree with you that this is the root of the issue of you let advertisers influence the content.\n\n I just think giving both parties as many choices as possible is the obvious way to run it.", "I'll give that a try. Thanks.", "If you become a \"local guide\" they can't pay to have your reviews removed anymore...or so I hear.", "Agreed. I had completely forgotten about this dude until today, like its probably been 2 years or so since I last watched anything on his channel. Looking forward to catching up.", "True enough, though none of the messenger programs had conference VoIP that I can remember.\n\nSkype also had the advantage of not requiring a server, so it was very easy to use for voice calls and had an advantage over things like Teamspeak and Ventrilo.\n\nThen Discord crushed them into a fine powder and snorted them, and all the holdouts eventually migrated to things like Zoom.", "Where should they go? Name a site right now", "But it’s actually not, telling the advertiser telling you what to do with a bag of money dangled over your head to fuck off is a lot easier. Another person who wants to advertise will come along eventually, there are enough audiences nowadays to support the content, podcasting has proved that…", "He could have been a little more helpful and took a screenshot of a comment that he knew would get deleted and once it was gone then send the screenshot but this was funnier", "I can see why Conservatives are convinced Google has biased search results. If they can pull this shit on YouTube, then why can’t they do similar BS on their search platform?\n\nI don’t know what to believe anymore.", "> The star average on amazon is literally useless unless there are thousands of reviews.\n\nEven then they're still useless, I think it was anker or aukey that got in trouble with amazon because some of their products had something like 10,000+ fake reviews.", "That's really fucked up.\nFuck YouTube", "Major media channels were getting dislikes on most videos in the tens of thousands that was the most noticeable one for me. A story on cars? Dislikes. A story on sports? Dislikes. A story on the president? You bet ya there were dislikes.", "Adpocolypse was the big catalyst.", "I'm gonna need more proof than one dude making such a claim.\n\n...apparently most people here have a lower threshold for proof of extraordinary claims.", "YouTube Vanced", "Damn this is beautiful\n\n![gif](giphy\|1xOyI9ES9lsB7YnK2t\|downsized)", "It works however you need it to work to maximize the effectiveness of your censorship agenda.\n\nSame as always. Evil as always", ">This isn't paranoia at this point. \n\nYes it is. \n\nSo youtube were apparently so incensed at him posting a negative comment about the dislike removal but they didn't remove that comment? It doesn't make any sense. It makes more sense that it's a bug, especially since nobody else has reported the same thing.\n\nThere's a ton of gullible people in this thread.", "Meanwhile, HBO corporate channel can show titties, while you get demonetized/banned:\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/pmrjruU.jpg (nsfw)", "-So how are going to fix brands getting so many dislikes.\n\n-Super easy barely an inconvenience. \n\n-Oh really? \n\n-We just delete the dislike button sir\n\n-Wowowow", "How many thousands and hundred of thousands of dislikes did every official Biden video have again? Maybe thats why the dislikes are gone you fuck. \n\nThis comment got me permanently banned from this sub. That's funny isn't it", ">video services are too centralized\n\n_sets up a decentralized video service_\n\n>nothing is on it! it'll never become relevant\n\nit's like you want things to stay the way they are but you'll pretend not to for street cred. I think I'm just gonna continue having fun on peertube and ignore you. can't wait for @sjw@poa.st to start up movie nights again.", "Truth Social won’t", "My fav og pre YouTube short is daddies cummies song, Google it it's SFW", "it's because of the objectiuve usefulness of it. Let's say you search for a \"how to\" video. Let's say you find a video that has 150 views, 2 likes and 50 dislikes. You now scroll to the comment and see that people say \"this didn't explain anything\". That's why.\n\nThe ratio is important in filtering out useful content. Same as if you want to eat at a restaurant. If all you could see was the 5 star reviews with none of the negative ratings you'd think literally every place ever was the best place on earth. \n\nThe fact that as you mention \"the creator can still see it\" makes their entire argument for removing it being (among other things) to \"protect the creator\" moot.", "I swear google were changing the opening times for the cafe I used to work at a few years ago to try and get them to pay for google advertising.", "She knows exactly what YouTube is used for, but her allegiances lie to stakeholders, not users. Which in CEO terms means she’s doing everything perfectly", "Ios is tube browser", "What's the alternative?", "Reviewmeta.com \n\nIt's been a lifesaver for me. It goes through the Amazon reviews and does its best to throw out the shit ones. For fun, try it out on a mattress being sold there - it's a high margin product, so there tends to be a lot of fraud. I've seen 4.5 stars go to 3.5 before.", "Censorship is taking over.", "vimeo, dailymotion, odysee, vevo, videoshub... ?", "If they download all YouTube content and upload it on their website would that be illegal? I don't think YouTube owns the videos, do they?", "Because the restaurant pays for that.\nYelp will contact businesses and reach out to offer those services and if you decline, they push your negative reviews to the top. Lol", "The most lucrative subreddit was quietly taken over by Reddit admins over a weekend in February. \n\nAfter the dust settled, one of lowest mods (an admin suck up) was the top mod. Another person who had been vocally posting for months about wanting to work or volunteer or write scripts for Reddit was magically in second position. \n\nIt continues to sell the most of those stupid virtual badge awards, especially to posts where someone is trying to sell something. \n\nMembers act like a cult and most comments have to contain some kind of bigoted or sexist messaging. Reddit's CEO spez is a vocal supporter. \n\n Then you have certain unmoderated subs which are wide open to agency astroturfing. The nuclear construction lobby loves using Reddit. They barely have to get the ball rolling and an army of unpaid nerds does the rest.\n\nTons of small subs are packed with fake personal appeals which are just karma farm vote quickly building up valuable accounts. \"Going to be moving to (city/country/university) what's the best neighborhood to live in/meet people/etc.\" Boom, 500 replies in an hour.\n\nThere's also a subreddit for videos. Even though duplicates aren't supposed to be allowed, the same ones magically keep recurring using various tricks. A bot that used to detect and list these was magically forbidden.", "you're just a conspiratorial moron, got it. if you think youtube is doing anything besides trying to make money you really got issues.", "Go on 4 chan. Free speech undiluted.", "Cheerlead and STFU are your only options.", "Except… https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/12/14/business/mastercard-visa-discover-pornhub/index.html", "Youtube doesn't need or want us to rate any videos. It's content is now made to be consumed, no matter good or bad, just eat it all. I'm using youtube because I'dont want to abandon certain people but if they weren't there I would just let youtube burn in hell. Their behavior makes me sick to my core.", "and use...?", "you don't understand the point of shadow banning and I have already explained it to you.", "I see what you’re saying, and I totally agree with you. But I think you should consider Schweppes Zero Sugar Ginger Ale. \n\nIf it’s not Schweppes, you’re not doin it right.", "I dislike every video I watch now", "Fuck it lol let's all go to vimeo and build it up like we did YouTube", "Dislike addon is still there", "Download dislike extension, works like a charm and brings it back", ">I expected people to forget about the dislike removal and move on.\n\nFrom the likes I've seen so far it might just be a matter of time.", "I m deleting facebook\n\nThe bell is tolling for these assholes.", "I think I was just placed on some type of a list just for searching that...", "Oh god the replies not removed are great too. They're spamming them with the sig-heil pug!", "Censorship is only bad if the East does it", "Nothing YouTube adds is that exciting for viewers. Only content creators who will the peddle the changes for more visibility", "It’s all funny when big tech censors your political opponents and then they keep going", "Almost everything on Google is 4+ stars. They’re worse than yelp", "Just FYI Google ads arent linked to reviews", "That chill as fuck furry animation in the thumbnail is from\nhttps://youtu.be/i2kxdF0kc_c", "This is a pretty generalized statement for how big YouTube is. Specifically in the iOS jailbreaking community there are lots of ‘tutorials’ with botted likes and comments teaching people how to jailbreak. They’re really just gimmicks to download malware onto your phone. The dislike button made it easy to tell which videos are legit or not and removing it now allows for people to easily be taken advantage of with scammy vids", "Litrally 1984", "And union members. And anti-war activists. And gay rights activists. And before that women's rights activists. And more recently BLM activists.", "Thank God reddit isn't one of them. They chose the other side.", "Soon YouTube will be wishing us away to the cornfield if we don’t think happy thoughts.", "Pretty much yeah, huge dislike ratios turns people away. People going away is bad for business.", "Like gilded comments?", "It is not exciting for us. Kids are still falling for that shit. 70% of youtube users are between 15 and 25. They don't even count kids but for some reason there is no \"YouTube Young Adult or Middle Aged\" but there is legitimate \"YouTube Kids\" platform. \n\n\nEDIT: There is a pretty comprehensive set of data to download and read about here - https://www.thinkwithgoogle.com/data-collections/youtube-viewer-behavior-online-video-audience/", "> it's because of the objectiuve usefulness of it. Let's say you search for a \"how to\" video. Let's say you find a video that has 150 views, 2 likes and 50 dislikes. You now scroll to the comment and see that people say \"this didn't explain anything\". That's why.\n\nOkay, that's fair, but also, are the number of dislikes really necessary when there are comments like that though?\n\n> If all you could see was the 5 star reviews with none of the negative ratings you'd think literally every place ever was the best place on earth. \n\nWhat I don't understand is why they don't hide the likes as well. What's the point in showing them? Show both numbers or show neither. Showing only one seems strange.\n\n> The fact that as you mention \"the creator can still see it\" makes their entire argument for removing it being (among other things) to \"protect the creator\" moot.\n\nHave you read their blog post about it? The hiding of the numbers from the public has nothing to do with what the creators see. The issue is that people would target creators and pump up their dislike counts. Google experimentally found that hiding this number decreases the significance and frequency of such attacks.", "I’m sure I’ll get a very predictable reply for this but this is one of my biggest issues with (what was previously known as) Gawker Media: comment curation. Only people who the editors “followed” would have visible comments. Which quickly (as in immediately) turned into “we leave your comments in the void until you circle jerk our content long enough”. It’s censorship that is extremely deceiving for the general audience because they hand-pick people who don’t talk about how shit the site is.", "I do the same as you. And when I give a reply, I try to mix the positive with the neg to show I a genuine person. As a business, we buy 3-8 times a month so a fair amount of reviews are given.", "Same here for Zbrush tutorials. With the dislikes removed I don't know if the video is helpful or a complete waste of time...", "Awesome! Other people do though", "Agreed, the point is that YouTube in theory could be replaced in their current setup.", "So, any viable alternatives?", "Shout-out to Tech Ingredients, Technology Connections, Big Clive, Real Engineering, Applied Science, Cody's Lab, Explore Composites, Scott Manly, Xyla Foxlin, Periodic Videos, The King of Random (RIP), Project Air, BPS.Space, and Integza.", "Vimeo and Dailymotion are practically dead, I've never even heard of Odysee and Videoshub, and... Vevo? The music video network for the Big 3 record labels, that doesn't even have a website now?", "\"The video games market was worth over $90 billion in 2020.\" \n\n\nYes, very small.", "It's like no one remembers when Reddit did the exact same thing.", "Platforms like this are a big problem. All of humanity got together and made millions of videos and we all sorted them out and rated them. These dickheads think they own that just because they profit off running the servers. Why won’t big channels like Linus Tech Tips clone their content onto another platform and push for it? We need some big players to start making alternatives work.", "Anyone remember when Reddit removed like/dislike counts?", "> They will add some new exciting functionality\n\nThis is the youtube team, I don't think you can describe anything they've made in the past decade as \"exciting\" or \"new\"", "I'm not sure if this is exactly what's happening in this case I'm about to bring up, it Gus Johnson conveniently came back the second dislikes were disabled and there are 0 critical comments of him. I know he responded it just seems like weird timing.", "Youtube will literally tell us \"wtf you gon do about it, you dipshits got nothing better\" and they would be right there's nothing better atm. If it can't be monetized it cant be free.", "Tiktok is not a competitor to YouTube - they're focused on short-form (< 30 second) videos, whereas YouTube is optimised for longer-form (> 5 minute) videos. YouTube Shorts could be a competitor, but that's not YouTube's main revenue source", "Voice of Sam Elliot-lite, laugh of a dog's squeaky toy", "I remember when Netflix had a 5-star reviews, a friend system, and reviews/notes. You could recommend movies to your friends, see what they were watching/rating, and remind yourself why you gave Movie X that Y rating. It was basically [Letterbox'd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxd) except it also provided access to movies.", "[Letterboxd](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letterboxd) \n \n >Letterboxd is an online social networking service co-founded by Matthew Buchanan and Karl von Randow in 2011. It was launched as a social app focused on sharing opinions about, and love of, film, and is maintained by a small team in Auckland, New Zealand. The site is meant for sharing its members' tastes in films. Members can use it as a diary to record their opinions about films, keep track of films they have seen in the past, write reviews or make lists of films and showcase their favorite films, as well as meet and interact with other cinephiles.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "It pays more than a job for many", "Except that was seemingly a lie too. The only way I can see the dislikes on my own videos is going to YouTube Studio -> Analytics -> Advanced mode -> Video -> Show more metrics -> likes and dislikes.\n\nThat's quite many clicks.", "Which is good because their ad spots are cancer.", "This is why I've been on a neocities kick recently, longing for the good ol days", "Please let this be the shit that was destined to blow up in their face eventually.", "> Even if the reviews are truthful, how can I know the product hasn't since been downgraded in terms of manufacturing quality?\n\nThis is what gets me. Amazon and other marketplaces allow you to push your higher-quality merch for good reviews and then, once you're established and have a 4.6/5 with 3000 reviews or whatever, silently start shipping out lesser-quality merch for profitability. You'll occasionally see reviews calling this out, but mostly you'd never know you were getting an inferior product not worth the current rating.\n\nCapitalism fucking sucks, bro. Its only goal is to fuck people over as much as possible without affecting profit.", "Well that is against the terms of service of youtube, so can't really be expecting them to design around that sort of thing.\n\nHopefully everyone can be more responsible for themselves to have to rely on dislikes to be able to tell what is and isn't a scam.", "No wait, that's just sewage.\n\nEdit: Go ahead and pretend that your ancient troll cave is anything other than the absolute anus of the internet.", "Just use one of the many free alternatives to YouTube premium. Vanced is popular.", "Wasn't this suppose to be made for the feelings of the creators?", "I don't think that's what it means, I understood it simply as in \"you can see the dislikes on your own videos\" but even that's a lie, I can only see them if I go to YouTube Studio and click a bunch of things first", "And why money? Because human. These five words are also what convinced me that no true utopia will ever occur. The steps to it are too many, and they all depend on humans trying not to be their worst for once, and we always fail eventually.", "He is the type of people that the WEF are trying to normalize. A \"new normal\". People that don't want to do any research for themselves and only believe blindy what they are told. The evidence is all around us if people would just take the time to look at it objectively (or even look at it at all), but all i seem to keep finding are people like him who just say \"der der that's just a conspiracy theory!\" and not back that up with any evidence. It's to the point of being frustrating. Keep telling anyone that will listen, my dude!", "Definitely possible. I've had absolutely terrible experiences at several restaurants near me and only left like 2 or 3 star reviews being very honest and civil but the huge majority of the reviews all laud the place even though it's hot garbage.", "You have to know that I joked about them deleting and disabling comments. Turns out I was right", "Gave a place 1 star a week ago and now my review is gone and 3 5-star reviews were left by “Local Guides” since then. What a fucking joke.", "Can we agree that negative feedback often takes snowball effect? By removing dislikes they gave individual person power to judge more. Now if the video has low likes to views ratio it can suggest that there is something wrong. At least there is no play down. It isn't as white and black topic as someone could've think of.", "Thank the lord for adblockers", "Seems par for the course that they would remove negativity about removing negativity.", "I dislike every single YouTube video I watch. I’m doing my part.", "Splinter factions never end up being moderate in the short term.", "Everyone hates this feature and I’ve yet to see anyone agree with it. Content creators didn’t want this and it’s annoying af for the viewers as well. Hopefully it gets reversed but I wouldn’t hold my breath.", "> there is no obvious alternative\n\nReddit bans Bitchute links.\n\nCorporate CEOs help corporate CEOs.", "Pretty sure you won't get banned for criticizing the dislike button lol. The guy probably got shadow banned for calling the poster \"a handjob\". YouTube doesn't like swearing or sexual things in comments", "You’re all finally getting the censorship you’ve been screaming for", "Sure buddy", "Moderators would play to the basest of instincts. We'd end up where we began, with big creators feeding their voters pink slime.", ">n't\n\nWas removed long ago", "Why does YouTube make such stupid changes? It's like they barely understand their users.", "I wouldn't be that harsh. They gotta make money somehow. They're just trying to be different and entertaining. While their form of entertainment isn't for me, it might just be for someone else.", ">Do no evil\n\nBe the evil", "That's because YouTube literally does not care.\n\nLinus Tech Tips tried to have a meeting to maybe not remove the dislike count, but he said (I'm paraphrasing here) [\"YouTube clearly doesn't give a duck\"](https://twitter.com/linusgsebastian/status/1464627802985037831?s=20) They don't care about their community. They care about their company. Like commenters said, it's ThemTube now, not YouTube.", "Hmm interesting, thanks for sharing your experience/perspective.", "Word of mouth and expert opinion. It sucks, but open source community review is a thing of the past. If there is a good platform for it, people will try to game the platform.\n\nGoing out to buy a drone? Don't look for reviews. Look for the fucker that has bought dozens of them, goes to trade shows and has demoed a stupid number of them and get his $.02. Frisbee? Look for the hipsters playing ultimate Frisbee in travel leauges every weekend and who play Frisbee golf enough that they have hundreds of different Frisbees.\n\nCompanies try to game those people too, but it's a lot harder. Yes, it's hard to make contact with them but it's one of those things where it pays to have a large social circle. When I went to get a new furnace/AC/geothermal set up, I invited my friend who does residential HVAC. Made him dinner. Got him nice and liquored up, and then had a nice long chat with him about what he likes and doesn't like. I offered him a shot at the job if he wanted it when he sobered up later and I had an idea what I wanted (I do tend to pay higher than market rates for that sort of thing) but he knew it was going to be a long project and would need more people than he had so he made a couple reccomendations for other companies. \n\nI trust maybe half the words coming out of a drunk mofos mouth. Which is still many times more than I would trust a Google or yelp review.", "6 more weeks of winter ?", "I'm not trying to be a dick but that has no actual difference, and if you are picking the site for videos it's definitely still YouTube so I don't think they have a problem", "Which is the most lucrative sub? Also what is the nuclear construction lobby? The people of /r/futurology?", "Yeah I could see that being a driving factor.", "I don't think so (I really don't want it to happen), the removal of the dislike is quite more serious", "On a related note, be sure to regularly check [reveddit](https://www.reveddit.com) to see which subreddits are automatically removing your comments due to you using banned keywords.", "Ehh, I have seen companies help each other out. I didn't think it was for making google money, but to help shitty gaming companies and google make a shit load of money but they wouldn't turn down more imo.", "Just wanted to also say, [#AdBlockerRevolt]", "All of the big named social media has issues, even You Tube. They should put dislikes on there. Content creators want to know what people want and don't want to see.", "Unpopular Opinion: fuck dislikes, get rid of comments too", "Yeah I could definitely see that as a reason for removing, though why wouldn't they have done it a long time ago when covid misinformation started flowing freely?", "My dislike bar just disappeared yesterday, of course it is still on.", "They do...", "A new 3rd party website made like rotten tomatoes for YouTube videos is required.", "Yo a fox in space is awesome", "this dude could read me a bed time story to sleep i love his voice", "What having a monopoly does to a mfer", "They can see their own. The issue is that they use likes/dislikes on other peoples videos to follow trends to make popular content. It shows what people want to see, and now they can't effectively do that.", "Are we pretending like there hasn't been a push from conservatives regarding free speech on social media platforms?\n\nOr are we pretending like it hasn't been distinctly about controlling how people communicate with each other so they can command the discussion?\n\nSorry there's so much gaslighting these days its hard to keep track of what narrative we're going with today. I suspect something along the lines of \"It never happened but if it did it was deserved\".", "PornHub?", "I still can't figure out how my last work blocked ads on both youtube and hulu", "Like epstein", "We should dislike everything we watch now since it’s meaningless anyway", "Check out YouTube Vanced", "They exist. But I agree with you.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7zjjm/youtube_is_deleting_comments_from_creators_who/hn56h3j/", "If it were easier, everyone would be doing it.\n\nAnd yet that is not what we see.\n\nSo how do you explain that then huh?", "Without advertising, and people to stupid to block ads, YouTube.... hell the internet as you know it wouldn't exist at all.\n\nI'm old as fuck, and have been \"here\" since since the BBS days of the early 80s. And early variants like Compuserve and Prodigy (which were accessed via dialup but had monthly fees like cable TV).\n\nThe early web was like the BBS days all over again. Small hobbyist web sites and forums, usually narrow focused. It was glorious! But shortlived.\n\nAnd then came a push during the Clinton/Gore administration. To get \"everyone\" online and an explosion of \"e-commerce\".\n\nI remember when eBay was new!\n\nI worked with a dude that collected models of horses (I know right...) In the early to mid 90s. He bought them and traded them at horse shows, county and State fairs and via ads in collector magazines he subscribed to. The dude had hundredss, maybe over a thousand plastic horses. Most still in their boxes in his house.\n\nHe learned from another dude at work that collected old cameras about \"eBay\".\n\nSo these two dudes were on AOL via dialup just for eBay!\n\nAOL was full of ads.... And did free hosting. For you plastic horse site. Also loaded with ads.\n\nAnd now..... Here we are.", "Sometimes I think about starting a “YouTube” channel on Pornhub just to see what would happen. As in, a completely non-porn related channel where I review movies or something. Problem is I’m lazy af.", "Smash that Rumble button", "Just dislike everything. Report things you actually don't like.", "Right to Review should become a movement of its own now", "Protection racket is how I'd phrase it, yes. It's the new business model for search engines.\n\nStep 1: establish a quasi-monopoly on easily accessible information about all services. Step 2: Ditch the \"don't be evil\" motto. Step 3: profit.", "Stop bragging about adblockers dorks", "They're pobably just a troll mate, no worth in responding", "I used adblocker on Hulu years ago and it blocked the ad but you had to see a blank screen for the entire ad. Guess that’s still a win?", "Reddit loves jacking off to some \"gamers rise up\" moment that they'll completely forget about months later.", "Lol", "As someone who had to buy a mattress earlier this summer, the entire mattress in a box industry is rife with this.", "I already have an extension that fix their shit", "This has been happening to me for years. I’ve never been able to comment on YouTube. Good to know it’s other people also. Fuck YouTube. I wish there was a competitor.", "Thanks", "I was paying for premium, but no longer.", "Yeh I was just using the search function as I don’t come here often. Guess I should t have jumped to conclusions. Thanks!", "What’s your proof?", "Google Play has a mechanism to detect review bombing. That's probably what happened there.", "Read other reply. I didn’t search much. E:to clarify I did use the general search function as I didn’t remember what subreddit it was posted in. Used multiple different combinations of dunked and dislike and things like that. Wasn’t about to go searching the front page of every sub lol..", "I love a Fox in Space, but turns out he was a Hyena with that laugh.", "Anyone who think this legitimately helps to stop \"hate bandwagons\" is utterly delusional. \n \nIt's vastly more likely to empower people putting out harmful propaganda that manages to not get itself removed entirely, but is poorly received in a significant way (which previously would have been visible, but now is not). \n \nEvery single video is now just \"X Number Of Likes Good\", and that's it, completely without regard to what's actually being said in it.", "Hahaha, it's ok she was of age when she made it.\n\n\nI made the mistake of showing it to a now ex-girlfriend, and she would torture me by singing parts of the song throughout the day for months....", "I think it’s kind of obvious that they never did this to “stop harassment” or whatever, and that was just a cover up. They want to be able to largely hide criticism, especially for false news being used to push an agenda.\n\nOtherwise, if it was to “prevent harassment” etc, why would they care about it being criticised? If it works it works, and it’s pretty obvious it wasn’t going to be well received.", "And i lost. Damn", "All of the top responses are the same picture of the pug that was taught to nazi-salute.", "Yeah watching this I was expecting some hate on the top comments but also one dude with some nuancing, but there is nothing. \n \nIt's quite clear that the guy is not shadowbanned lmao", "Exactly. They can’t compete.", "You should write a new review each day stating at the end that google keeps deleting it with a counter of how many times it has been deleted so far.", "at this moment pornhub is a better youtube than youtube", "Sometimes I really want to rage quit", "The crossdress jokes are among the worst running gags they could have went with. The occasional statement either before or after the spot about how they don't care that they've offended people should let you know that they know how shitty it is.", "You realize the only Google/YouTube employees that look at those comments are robots right?", "I've been permanently banned from multiple major subreddits for less offensive comments", "I often hear about people complaining about youtube and google search algorithm but I can never figure out why. Would you mind elaborating?", "Everything fun becomes increasingly monetized and mainstream until all the fun is squeezed out, just for one more cent.", "Rip ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐", "I installed a chrome extension to show the dislike count again", "Damn, wonder what it looks like with Incognito mode. I've had some comments appear to exist on my logged in account but were invisible in incognito. Might have been the channel's moderation settings though.. or possibly just blocked by the channel owner.\n\nI do feel bad for this guy tho. He censored his name in his e-mail, but missed it in his second e-mail after scrolling down.", "North YouTube Confederation->YouTube Empire->YouTube Republic->Third YouTube Reich\nThat's how I'm seeing it.", "I mean I guess so. What input does the user have otherwise lol.", "Those weren’t on the scale size that is YouTube/google", "The website sucks ass, and is buggy ass hell no matter what browser you use. The comment are 50% bots, 40% malware, 9% regurgitated comments. If you don’t know what an Ad-Block is in the year 2021, you’re spammed with ads that can last up to an hour if you forget to hit the skip button. \n\n\nIt’s just so just so stupid how they handle anything. They added the ability to preview whole videos before you click on it, as the alternative, but it feels horrible and clunky. And still a shit way to tell if the video is good or bad. It’s like everything they do is half assed. \n\nI’ve been on YouTube since its conception and I’ve salty ever since they removed the 5 star rating system and gutted the comment section.", "I'm so confused. Either I'm dense or I still have my dislike count for all videos. Did i break it?", "By your powers combined I am a fraction of a percent of the market share of YouTube.", "Off topic but the guy totally sounds like Mr New Vegas if you let your mind take you there", "Why is this such a big deal?\n\nI don't even use the dislike button. If I don't like a video, I move on to another one.", "The only other company that has the infrastructure to house and process the amount data youtube/google does is probably Amazon. There are no alternatives", "FUCK YOUTUBE FUCK THEM GOD DAMN FUCK THEM", ">this youtuber's\n\nThat's Sir Fredryk Phox to you. Many passion projects include Walmart in Johnson City, Scruggs vs Khyber, and the eBaum saga.", "Why don't people gets this... STOP supporting YouTube.. Problem solved.. there is so many actually trustworthy clones.God I swear only in America, bitch about shit but still use the product WTF!", "Of course you didn't watch the video. If you did you could have saved all this time writing these useless, irrelevant comments.", "I see. Well to be sure I'm against the idea as well.", "It’s less advertising, more power tripping.", "It’s interesting that there’s seemingly more anger about the removal of dislikes than there was about them in the first place", "In before morons come in and say it's political.", "Every point in this thread boils down to \"I can't digest media and formulate my own opinions on it by myself\"", "There is a chrome extension that shows the dislike count again on pc at least", "If you want them to hear you, boycott likes and comments altogether. Less data for them.", "At some point it has to be a public utility, like water or electricity, there is no other way. Video hosting is too expensive. Content split across numerous sites is just doesn't work. People usually upload to the most popular site, where the majority of the userbase is. So this one global video hosting website needs to be a 'global' public utility paid by people across the globe. Then, these people must decide democratically what features they want, for example 'dislike button', or some other kind of rating system, etc. But we are not yet ready for this, sadly.", "At least they left the hand job comment up.", "The button is still there. It still affects the algorithm, and vids with a shit ton of dislikes are still going to be buried by the algorithm. The only difference is that you cant see it. Stop getting so butthurt about shit that doesn't even fucking matter.\n\nAs far as propaganda goes, regardless of the like/dislike ratio, you shouldn't be taking anything you see on YouTube so seriously anyway. Its NOT a good source of info. It is however, a good source of entertainment.", "Shortsightedness coupled with greed", "No it doesn’t lol. Pornhub infrastructure is not even close to youtube", "We already have the best laws money can buy.", "Reddit did the same thing, basically. \n\nPosts and comments here used to display the total number of upvotes, in green, and below/next to that was the total number of downvotes, in red.\n\nThough they're still used to determine the popularity of any given post or comment, all we see now are upvotes - \"likes\", if you will.", "Dude it's not just Amazon. I can order the game right from the official site for $20", "The difference with reddit is that the subreddits are not moderated by them. \n\nIt’s user curated. Now the obvious problem which has always been true with forums, is that most of the people with time and desire to moderate tend to be toxic, and weak people, who gain pleasure powertripping over their little fiefdom.", "Id say charging your customers DOUBLE the price they can get it from the official website (not amazon) is a garbage business practice.\n\nAnd I wont support it. Working as intended.\n\nYou are not owed my business or patronage. Provide a value worth the cost, or fail. This entitled attitude is partially what kills B&M shops. Stop complaining start adapting.", "Can we just make a new YouTube with drugs and dislikes?", "holy shit It’s exactly the modern day protection racket if you really think about it. the mobs that we thought were gone have been here in front of our face the wholen time after all", "Thousands of reviews can just as easily come from mass gaming of the system. A no-name brand with thousands of positive reviews next to a similar product with a couple dozen reviews can be one of the biggest warning flags of all. It depends on the surrounding context.", "That's because companies are now realizing they can call reviews like these \"review bombing\" and the general public will accept it as those reviews being irrational and unfair.", "What adblocker do you use?", "Dude this is the definition bif paranoia. Literally one guy making a claim without anybody trying to replicate it.\n\nAlso the dude in the video is clearly a furry. Enough said.", "Sounds like all this energy youre spending crying could be better spent turning your business around.\n\nI hope you suceed in that.", "Maybe they can replace the dislike button with a turd emoji and give a Couric count", "Certainly more than mine lol", "My friend who works in networking, set something like that up at our last lan-party, all traffic was being routed through a computer that was set up to block a list of domains, as well as load-balance the traffic.\n\nIt also had a download caching system where if someone downloaded anything on steam or any of the other large gaming platforms, it would be stored so the other people in the network would be able to get it at local connection speed.", "It’s a private company. They can do what they want /s", "https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock", "How is this a brag lol. They are free.", ">The only difference is that you cant see it. Stop getting so butthurt about shit that doesn't even fucking matter. \n \nYou clearly don't understand the actual implications of this if you think people who have a big issue with it are \"butthurt\". The first paragraph of my [comment here](https://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7zjjm/youtube_is_deleting_comments_from_creators_who/hn4v4yf/) gives what I think is a good example of what the like / dislike ratio does in fact matter and is useful. \n \n>As far as propaganda goes, regardless of the like/dislike ratio, you shouldn't be taking anything you see on YouTube so seriously anyway. Its NOT a good source of info. It is however, a good source of entertainment. \n \nMore evidence that you're in no way thinking outside the box as far as who actually watches YouTube, and for what reasons. I'm not worried about myself. I'm worried about Joe BoomerDad thinking some thinly-veiled anti-vax video with a vaguely professional presentation is credible because he can only see that it has 20,000 likes, and not that it also has 85,000 dislikes. \n \nTo defend this change in my opinion is to directly defend the idea that even truly, deeply unpopular opinions deserve to be viewed as no less than at least \"slightly popular\", which is an utterly insane concept if you ask me.", "If you don't mind indulging me a bit more, could you explain how I'd implement this? I know what github is but I've never used it.", "A funny thing I thought about regarding that public utility thing; if the government had a social media or video hosting service, they wouldn't be able to censor any legal content because they are subject to the first Amendment. Hell, they probably would've gotten the shit sued out of them for removing dislikes.", "Yeah cause trying to make money never corrupted anything or formed any political agendas ever in the history of censors and their dumbass apologists.", "Wouldn't it be less eye catching if they shadow banned the comment?", "did you try and go back to the video you had been watching? curious.", "Who says we're worried about ourselves? This is exactly the kind of thing that makes your dad / mom / aunt / uncle / grandpa / grandma even more likely to fall for conspiracy theory nonsense they see online than they may already be.", "It's not a stretch at all. YouTube is so ingrained in our lives, it doesn't matter what they do, people will still flock to it.\n\nI'm an engineer and have to watch many YouTube videos to facilitate my everyday work. Without the dislike button, I have to sift through a whole bunch of useless videos to find the high quality ones. A low \"like\" count says nothing about the quality of the video.", "I love your comment. This is entirely the problem, we are being forbidden from seeing dissent.", "no it just makes you question so you will read comments or do further research on the issue just to be sure. not to assume its untrustworthy.", "Was this on Yelp? I've had a similar situation happen to me there. I realized that someone who was giving me an estimate for a moving job didn't actually have sufficient licensing for interstate moves and I put that in my review (that I liked them, but unfortunately was put off by that fact and ultimately decided against it for obvious reasons, including insurance and etc).\n\nThey eventually got licensed and were able to get the review removed. Issue is: They were proposing doing this work for me while still unlicensed. Not a good way to treat customers and instead of removing the review, it should have just been a response so future customers could understand the situation instead of completely censoring their past issues.", "If you scroll down, you'll see those big buttons for all the major browsers.\n\nThe default configuration should be good enough to block most of the stuff without breaking any sites.", "Initially I didn't care.\n\nToday I got tricked into watching an unofficial trailer that had a title long enough to hide the fact that it was unofficial and I'm pissed. I at least, won't forget this shitshow.", "You can download it as a browser extension on most browsers, just search it!", "So were moving goalposts now? Ae you actually that worried about the slight possibility of getting bad advice from a youtube video? Maybe youtube should just drop everything and cater to you specifically? Jesus gucking christ dude. This \"problem\" is mundane as hell. And like I said, the button is still there. Its likely that any \"howto\" vids with bad advice are still going to get buried by the algorithm.\n\n> I'm worried about Joe BoomerDad thinking some thinly-veiled anti-vax video with a vaguely professional presentation is credible because he can only see that it has 20,000 likes, and not that it also has 80,000 dislike\n\nThat's more a problem with \"joeboometdads\" intelligence. NOT the like/dislike ratios. As we have CLEARLY seen, the people who buy into that shit dont care about the dislike counts. People were flocking to these propaganda videos regardless of the dislikes. The dislikes dont have as much power over public perception as you think they do.", "Surely someone will drag them to court for this and they will reply with an \"our algorithm accidentally flagged it\" excuse.", "They're trying to have content that is user-generated but company curated instead of user generated and user curated.", "Wow I was wondering where all my comments go.", "Couldn't agree more. Losing the IMDB boards is still a loss to this day. Reddit movie discussion is not even close to an adequate replacement because it's not keyed off an exhaustive index of movies.\n\nBeing reminded of IMDB depresses me as it shows that things won't just somehow fix itself later no matter how obviously bad the decision is.\n\nEDIT TO ADD: To this day I still try to go to Wikipedia instead of IMDB to look up cast or movie info because I'm still pissed about that decision and don't want to give them any traffic.", "Thank you!", "I've had the opposite experience. With Yelp, I've had my reviews removed ([details here](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7zjjm/youtube_is_deleting_comments_from_creators_who/hn5ed0v/)) vs. when Google, I once pointed out that at a Chinese restaurant literally had a fried cigarette butt buried in my friggin' green beans (kind of hilarious if it weren't so damned gross) and that got loads of views and is still up (Google likes to remind people of how many views their reviews and photos get).", "Yeah last time I wanted to look at the like and dislike ratio, I couldn’t do anything with the information. Is this video worth watching or not? Eventuell I noticed, but took me a few min. I could have used that time to look for other Videos", "I haven't moved any goalposts. I'll note though that you've never once given a reason as to why you think this change is actually actively good (if you even have one, and aren't just a straightforward contrarian). \n \n>That's more a problem with \"joeboometdads\" intelligence. NOT the like/dislike ratios. \n \nYou are suggesting that \"people should just like, you know, not fall for propaganda\" is a legitimate solution to any real world problem. Grow up.", "Read my edit.", "idk they are a little incompetent so idk if its for profit. for example they are acquiring these big streamers but their interface is still horrendous for streamers with 0 discoverability and no easy search for different games and categories, for example if you want to look up streamers playing a certain game or doing news or IRL there is no way for you to find the content you want, twitchs categories for example are important aspect of streaming so people can find the content they are looking for while being able to filter streams by number of viewers etc. so youtube should have done a complete interface overhaul before acquiring big streamers and then used the streamers to promote the new interface and maybe reduce the %30 youtube tax some to like %20, it would have been huge and game changing. youtube also needs community interaction with streamers, like gifting members / raiding streams / better integration with BTTV emotes etc. and the non VOD youtube streams need better coding to make them run smoother and better, they can lag or stutter or have low quality issues and just a little more delay would probably fix it or some other coding.", ">you've never once given a reason as to why you think this change is actually actively good\n\nAnd you haven't given any good reason why its bad.", "I'm putting together a browser extension so I can see if the ratio of Likes to Views is a useful quality metric. I don't know if it will be as helpful as the Like/Dislike ratio, but I'm going to give it a try. I watch a lot of random technology videos and tutorials, and I already find myself feeling hesitant to continue watching a video if I'm not sure it will be worth the time investment or not.\n\nEDIT: I should say I'm happily using the Return YouTube Dislike extension, but that will stop working soon when the Dislike API goes away.", "I've given multiple reasons whether you personally think they're good, though, versus no reasons at all.", "I literally had a very similar experience to this. Got the item that was not as described (i.e. it was literally missing a few necessary screws) and posted a review. Got removed because it didn't match the TOS.\n\nOn the flip side, gave a seller a relatively middling/poor review (like 2 stars) for very bad packaging of the item. They begged and pleaded to have it removed (and it's not possible to adjust back to 3 or 4 stars for example, can only be deleted). Reasoning was that they would promise to fix the problem and that they \"cannot compete in the marketplace\" with a rating like that, etc. \n\nSo basically your honest and valuable feedback is straight up deleted or you are pressured to removed it... unless it's positive.", "The Reasons you've given are big fat nothing burgers.", "ive wondered about this but not just MSM, cable companies / advertisers / record labels (DMCA) and others have been known to be nefarious so i do think there is pushback against self made creators and its sad but they are thriving and hopefully will get better", "And we can criticize them for it.", "I see that YouTube has some crazy nut case mods just like Reddit does.", "“freeze peach”\n\nAlways said by someone who doesn't support free speech.", ">It is their platform and they can do what they want with it. If you use such a service (whether publishing content or simply interacting with it), you are subject to whatever the service provider feels is within the scope of their design, which may be subject to change at any time. This doesn't just go for YouTube, but any platform or service rendered anywhere. I understand that some depend on it for a living, but to be fair, the only reason said creators make any money at all is because YouTube sells ad space, and that should disgust you more than anything.\n\nWhat?!\n\nSo users/customers and the actual creators (you know, the people actually responsible for bringing traffic to the site) don't get to voice their dissent when there are bad policy changes that negatively affect them?! \n\nTo act like people aren't justified in being outraged at YouTube's actions and the whole way they've handled this is just asinine.\n\nAlso, since the adpocalypse, many Youtubers make their money from sponsors, Patreon, etc. (not through ad revenue). Videos get demonetized at the drop of a hat (and even when they aren't demonetized, they generate very little money unless they go viral).", "Obviously I vehemently disagree with you, so unless you plan to give any reasons at all to support your own point I see no reason to continue this conversation.", "Prolly cause there is more money in being anti-antivax vs pro-antivax\n\nMoney is the reason", ">hopefully prevent the deterioration of the service as it grows.\n\nNarrator: It won't.", "One issue is that YouTube is essentially the largest archive on the internet. It would be a massive loss to lose YouTube (think of all the content, videos, 15 years of internet history, etc.) that only exists on YouTube.", "YouTube has ads?", "This is what motivates me to buy from eBay but usually only as long as I can verify that the product is first located in the US (helps with shipping, ensures it's not straight from China, etc) and that the seller is fairly reputable. The more local to me, the better, since I know I'm more than likely supporting a local business or someone who's got a good side hustle. Coincidentally, particularly with the supply chain issues, I've noticed shipping from local sellers on eBay has been much more predictable than from Amazon since it seems like half of my Amazon purchases over the past few months have either been lost or delayed 2 weeks or so.\n\nDisclaimer: I do have a working relationship with eBay (so we're clear, in this case I'm just commenting in my personal capacity and not shilling per se). I buy on Amazon a lot too and I've had good and bad experiences on both platforms but have been buying less and less on Amazon for this exact reason. I really don't trust the reviews there anymore (posted recently about my own being deleted).", "Man reading the comments here about Google Play and company reviews (like a restaurant) just going poof, plus OP's example. Fuque Google.", "never realized how important it is until now", "I'm not saying the change is good or bad, all I'm saying is it's not nearly as big a deal as people are making it out to be. I dont need to support their decision because it doesn't fucking matter. You guys are looking for boogie men where there are none.", "same. scared to use it now. for real.", "Amazon is easy. Just look at reviews that have pictures or could only possibly be true. :)", "They're listed as : Replies hidden by Youtube \n\nlool", "I hate how YT sucks large media and news assholes nowadays. \n\nSure. Yeah. Removed dislikes for small scale creators, jokers. \n\n(Comments disabled)", "What I don’t get is WHY. Every other decision YouTube makes, I can see how it relates to their bottom line, but I find this one really confusing. They seem absolute in their reasoning, but unavailable to tell the public how it does so.", "Not accusing him or anything, but why wouldn't youtube either straight up block him from commenting and inform him about it with some cooperate excuse, or \"shadow ban\" him by hidding his comments from everyone else instead?\n\nIt seems like this strategy is the worst of both worlds.", "Thanks! I really appreciate the information!", "How much do you think YouTube would pay Reddit to take this down?", "Temporary solution - https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/", "Yuck Foutube.", "I love how everything Google touches, slowly starts to have features removed. Or just killed outright.", "People who make post videos to YouTube discussing someone else's creation aren't content creators.", ">The weirdest part was that YouTube didn’t even play any ads when it instantly played the different video.\n\nso you're on mobile? definitely strange as hell.", "Same! I loved Google Play Music. I resisted the change to YouTube Music until it could no longer be avoided, and even then I really tried to give it a chance, but it was so broken and crappy. And that's not to mention that even if it worked perfectly...I DON'T WANT TO MIX MY YOUTUBE PLAYLISTS WITH MY MUSIC PLAYLISTS! Holy crap, why would I want to? Those are 2 totally different activities for different purposes used in different environments. I'm now a Spotify Premium member instead.", "I agree. I will also add that I noticed that lots of the people brigading various videos (particularly those of a political nature, including vaccines unfortunately) would also often point out the dislikes as some kind of validation of their particular opinion, whatever that may be. \n\nI found it pretty frustrating myself, but I just chalked it up to it being the nature of YouTube comment sections. I still think dislikes should be visible (but able to be disabled by the creator, as the used to be).", "Some believe that it's Disney flexing its influence.\n\nStar Wars IP gets review-bombed, and one of the world's biggest entertainment companies can't have that sort of embarrassment.", "I may have to join you. I've been a YouTube Premium member for years, mostly because I have a long commute (1+ hour each way) and I like to download lecture and tech talk videos to my phone and play the audio with the video minimized while I drive (both features available only in Premium). But given that I can no longer tell if the tech videos are even worth my time...I guess I should cancel my Premium membership.", "Someone made a Firefox add-on that shows you the dislikes.", "They don't care about the life problem you have going on for which you are finding some tutorials. They care ONLY about how much longer you're gonna watch the videos which make them money.", "Yeah that’s a great app :) Unfortunately there’s no iOS version. Plus, it doesn’t bring YT Music access haha :)", "YouTube was so much better when it wasn’t just an advertising platform", "Bro if twitter can get away with not having an edit button for 15 years, anything is possible", "Oh, yeah. Skype was great for those, better than anything else at the time for voice and video, but it was ass for instant messaging and that's what most people used it for.", "Your experience doesn't speak for the entire consumer base....and there's zero value for the consumer base to remove the dislikes.", "I don't think it's gonna be long before the api channel which allows the extension to work is shut down", "so what?", "> I won't be surprised if programmers stop working there.\n\nFunny you say that. I'm currently studying for coding and system design interviews with Google in mind, and I'm honestly wondering if I want to work for a company that would do this. I'm a bit of a Google fanboy, but it's getting harder and harder to be one. The problem is, of course, that there's morality problems with every other big tech firm too. And I'm too old to play the startup game.", "True, I haven't had much experience with bum products, I'm a bit lucky in that regard. But thankfully our methods aren't mutually exclusive", "For me it doesn't make any difference that they hided the number of dislikes. I understand the reasons people are upset, and I don't mind at all that they are complaining. The main reasons people are complaining as far as I know are that scams would get a bunch of dislikes and fake tutorials would also get a bunch of dislikes, and so if you click on a video and see a bunch of dislikes, you would automatically close that video. That doesn't affect me. I've never been suggested scams on youtube, and I rarely search for tutorials, I must have searched for a tutorial for around 10 or 20 times in my entire life using youtube, and the ones that were shown to me were all real tutorials, not fake ones. So, not that people shouldn't complain about this, but for me it doesn't matter.", "This is worth noting. It's sometimes the case, but not always, that your comment will appear immediately for you (and stay visible even just for you) but will not appear for some time, say maybe a minute, to essentially everyone else. This could amount to sever replication delays. And the reason it would still appear just to you would be due to \"sticky sessions\" (e.g. you can configure proxies and load balancers to ensure that packets/requests are continuously routed the same way which eliminates some consistency issues for end-users, depending on what it is). That's why in some cases you can see your own comment immediately, refresh and it's still there, open incognito browser but it not be there and then maybe an hour later it's there again (an important point).\n\nHowever, some other situations can look similar to this initially but the comment will stay invisible indefinitely to everyone else (and still visible to yourself, maybe). That's generally referred to as \"ghosting\" which may be anti-spam filters at work (most likely automated). But that's actually supposed to be inconsistent and mysterious I think; that's part of the secret sauce. I'm guessing if it were too easy to figure out, it'd be too easy to bypass.", "There needs to be an organized protest from all the really big channels. The only way youtube will listen is if the community forces them to lose a bunch of money. I'm talking a solid week or more of complete blackout, no content, no views, no ad revenue. Make them pay attention. This would be an incredibly difficult thing to pull off, but I don't think it's impossible.", "That's not amazon putting those in its the seller using bot services and Amazon has been banning sellers for doing this. Low star reviews are only removed if enough people vote that it is unhelpful review like when someone gives something a bad review because they clearly couldn't be bother to read the product description.", "> ... which they're already doing to a decent degree\n\nAnd the ire for this can be hard to properly direct, particularly due to the mystery of how some comments are filtered and/or moderated (either automatically or manually). Worth pointing out since channel owners have always had (and IMHO should continue to have) the ability to moderate the comments on their own channel. And this is in addition to the automated filtering that occurs at the site level by YouTube. I just think people should be aware that video owners are capable of carefully pruning out negative commentary, which can still be very bad (particularly in situations where the video is itself intentionally misleading or just plain wrong). That's a sticky situation.", "\"WOAH, Look at how much FOOD I can eat!!\"", "YouTube doesn’t have enough competition, creators have been trying so hard for like ten years and they keep acting like the Chinese government!", "I did that, and no joke it was nice to have 30 seconds of silence during episodes.", "They should just remove all comments and likes at this point. You know they want to do that anyway.", "My previous boss would pay someone that worked with Google to hide their low-star reviews and boost their search results above everyone elses.. reviews are such bullshit now. They used to be awesome.", "well they will have a voice somewhat, people will just have to look at the comments more and see what people are saying so idk if that would be better or worse for them which makes me wonder about the “its for money” theory", "Also known as \"A/B testing,\" it's a very common practice (particularly in large companies with entire divisions dedicated to this stuff).", "I'm waiting to see if big content creators move to alternative platforms like Odysee, this may be just may be will give Youtube a wake up call. I'm expecting in 1-2 years, they will remove the comment section, video quality will be under 720p, pay to listen to music video, pay to watch video longer than 45 minutes, 5 ads in a 10 minute videos and users have to pay for Premium to unlock the features, and there will be Premium+ and Premium Pro", "why can't they just leave things alone???", "Shhh... Make silence. They're learning in 2021/22 that companies/corporations/capitalists are manipulative and non-democratic.", "Reddit does the same with shadowbans. Control the masses and narrative. Fudge the upvote/downvote system and hide the true numbers/comments.", "sure... because banning assholes is some political scheme... what site are you on again?", "no", "Big Tube. (lol)", "But didn't Mr Beast begin as a Joe Schmo?", "There’s never been a need for it!", "This sounds like Sam the cooking guy, is this Sam the cooking guy?", "This is neither cheating the system nor criminality. All I see is a tactic to work within the system.", "remember when Apple and Google removed thousands of negative reviews for robinhood and similar apps? Our opinions don't really matter.", "Shorts suck though", "“What a handjob” fucking lege", "I'm sure trolls will love this change. Scammers as well. Tons of naive people will get fooled by videos with comments turned off as well. Nothing there to warn them anymore.", "Except 3 is the default, why should I give a place the highest possible rating for average service", "FapTube when", "People will eventually forget. Just like when they removed downvote counter on comments", "I left a bad seller review because they sent me a PS4 instead of a PS4 Pro, a difference of $100 in the product. They removed it, if that's not a valid reason for a negative review I don't know what is. Meanwhile they allow reviews talking about things that have nothing to do with the product (like shipping speed) to stay up", "Yes. And he is still just a regular guy. People are so fucking salty that he found the formula to get views. In the beginning he out literally ever cent back into his videos and he still demon near does that.", "CorpoTube™", "So what will they do if every comment for a month is a simple “dislike”", "The goal is to draw enough new engagement and increasingly younger audiences who have no memory of (or concern for) the old ways.\n\n* This is why hardly anybody on Reddit complains about the loss of the downvote counter anymore. Most users don't even remember having that feature!\n\n* People don't complain about New Reddit so much anymore because we've gotten to the point where there are now more New Reddit users than Old Reddit users.\n\n* When Reddit announced inline GIFs as a feature two months ago, I saw nobody bring up the fact that Old Reddit has had inline GIFs for more than a decade. This goes to show that Reddit has had such a tremendous growth in its user base since the introduction of New Reddit that enough people think of old features as new ones. And the company somehow gets away with their lack of innovation!", "God damn. I wish I LAN'd with that guy.", "Yeah it’s against TOS… still has been going on for a few years lol. I don’t expect them to design around it… just expected them to keep the dislike button to prevent people from falling for them … lol", "Not what they said.\n\nOf course not every apple is red! \n( see? everyone can make a winning counter-argument if they choose to also make up what argument they're responding to )", "Don't misconstrue my words. I never said nor acted that people shouldn't be angry at this mess, as they have every right to be. However, this should surprise no one, as YouTube has been doing things like this for years and yet everyone still jumps through the hoops just to be on the site.", "YouTube is a...cult.", "Sometimes I think about quitting Reddit because of how whiny you children all.\n\nGet the fuck over it. Your hate is not the commodity you think it is.", "The problem with what you are saying is that \n\n1. 4chan is awful, in every sense of the word.\n\n2. That wouldn't address the fact that majority of opinions would still be controlled.\n\n Im not everyone.", "Are you allowed to type handjob?", "Nothing wrong with enjoying a little silence.", "Grow up. This isn't an issue.", "Actually it's a push in the right direction for YouTube. More video's will emerge with bad advice and from that YouTube will make more revenue. YouTube only cares about YouTube.", "Literally just scroll down and read the comments it’s not that hard.", "YouTube will make sure that this happens.", "If that's what you want to tell me.", "It's actually mind blowing. I am. A good citizen with critical thinking. I make some construction argument, but never know it if my comment get deleted too, cause it's not the same with their agenda.", "> Reddit movie discussion is not even close to an adequate replacement because it's not keyed off an exhaustive index of movies.\n\nThat, and Redditors don't tend to be cinephiles. I can excuse pedestrian tastes in film, but I don't feel comfortable talking about films with people who don't watch them with the same insightful critic's lens that those IMDB commenters did.\n\nWhat I miss more than anything about the \"old\" Internet is the ubiquity of single-purpose forums whose discussions revolved around niche topics. On reddit, you have those small subreddits, but it's always assumed that they are comprised of people with general \"reddit\" sensibilities plus whatever your niche is. The \"redditness\" is what I want to escape.", "Youtube is a bunch of dipshits for doing that", "3 of my review were deleted. First time i thought it was a glitch. Then 2nd realised that they delete them. 3rd left with 5 stars but was also deleted.", "You're the perfect censor. Ignorant, arrogant, and self righteous", "Wait what’s wrong with Best Buy? I quit Walmart years ago and I quit Amazon this year so Best Buy is pretty much the only place in my area to buy electronics. We had more stores years ago but Best Buy is the only one left.", "No, just the companies that pay the most to Google.", "Whatever you want to tell me man.", "I'm starting to get the feeling google is evil after all.", "Idk man. I watch YouTube for tutorials sometimes and I can't tell what sucks without a dislike counter. It's a pretty core function unlike the 5 star layout or changing the layout. If an alternative jumped up I'd go to it for sure.", "I mean, furry enthusiastbdint deserve much of anything so thanks YT for censoring them", "Heil Google!", "Yeah if people like you let it be forgotten. How about stop being so pessimistic, it's pathetic.", "Eli5 what's the endgame in removing it?", "All hail corporate for ruining literally fucking everything. Life is bleak", "I fail to see how \"grow up\" is a reasonable response to what I thought were pretty clearly stated points with real merit. If you disagree with me, at least actually provide your reasons as to why, also.", "This YouTube animator is also internet legend [FredrykPhox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agpxBcl2UHU), from a time when viral videos weren't from YouTube but AlbinoBlackSheep and were filmed on a camcorder instead of a phone.", "What next take away the like button? The comment section? I just wanna see how many people dislike nikocados videos god damn", "Pi-Hole. Had to do it because we got a 1.4k€ samsung TV and it had ads......\nWorth the time and it was honestly pretty cost effective", "A caching proxy with a network based ad blocker like r/pihole will do just that.", "Our group went straight from GPM Family to Spotify Family. I have no idea what they were thinking, but then again it's Google, they like to kill decent products.", "Somebody's time, for sure. Replace that platform.", "Just last night I came across a tutorial on building a pizza oven. The video showed a guy using a pilates ball and coating the top half in concrete.\n\nRegular concrete explodes when exposed to heat...", "I know Him, he used to live at my buddies house. Incredibly talented", "WITH DISLIKES OUT\n\nIT'S LESS DANGEROUS\n\nHERE WE ARE NOW\n\nENTERTAIN US\n\nI FEEL STUPID \n\nAND CONTAGIOUS\n\nHERE WE ARE NOW\n\nENTERTAIN US", "YouTube is really that parent who says \"I'll give you something to cry about!\"", "Did he ever get around to releasing at least more than the first episode of A Fox in Space?\n\nThat, and will Nintendo even let him get past said first couple of episodes before suing the crap outta him?", "Good! I’m tired of all the negativity online", "I fucking hate it. Everyone does. I almost wanna boycott", "Comment sections are about to get so much more toxic since people can’t just hit the dislike and move on any more to voice their opinions", "This shit is corrupt as fuck. Not sure enough people know this is extremely grey area law-wise. You are too public and have too much money involved in public spaces to get away with pulling shit like removing bad reviews in general for cash. That is way in the land of consumer rights laws and deceptive misleading business practices. \n\nYouTube and Google keep going like this and there is going to be a huge fucking upset in the next 5-10 years. You cannot be too big to fail forever. Ask Rome.", "What the fuck are you doing YT?", "They dont give a shit about misinformation. They give a shit about covering their own coward pathetic greedy asses.", "r/woosh", "Right that doesn't make it any better lol. It's still pretty fucking ludicrous. Whether or not it happened in the past or today.", "Thats not even in the same universe as the same thing as a site wide comment disabling, pay to comment model.", "I remember watching a fox in space a few years back is was so cool, this whole thing is such bs", "Could you keep writing one?", "No just people tired of my fellow Americans acting like we're the main character.", "Except that's no longer the business model. The ad is the video...", "Do your research. Look what Japan did prior to us dealing with them. Nothing we did comes close to the Nanjing Massacre. Nothing.\n\nIt amazes me how many ignorant self-loathing people there are.", "use yelp!", "Whatever helps you sleep at night.", "The internet's days are numbered. Corporatism won. Y'all don't see it yet, but it's now just Comcast cable. It's all identical to Comcast cable TV.\n\nFacebook, Reddit, Google, Amazon... Just permutation. It's all fucking Comcast. There was a bright few years there, but as always, corporatism won.", "Deciding what messages are allowed to be communicated is different than hiding dislikes. Did you even watch the video?", "So you think the only reason to dislike a video is to jump on a hate bandwagon? Maybe you should borrow my username.", "SMH, so dumb. Changing 230 would ruin the internet.", "Depends on the video type. If I'm looking for a tutorial or something educational I'm going to refer to the dislikes because history has shown me that those with higher dislikes are often the less useful videos with a bunch of shitty filler or long ass intros and stuff.\n\nFor videos for pure entertainment, I don't even look at em.", "Just make dunkey CEO of YouTube", "i hate to break this to you, but... im not in charge of youtube, now answer the question, what site are you on.", "I'm late to the party, but yall should check out this guys sick project he works on. It's a fan series about Star Fox, and it's REALLY well done. \n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uieM18rZdHY&t=1s", "I randomly said I’d do my best to boycott them or at least avoid them for a few weeks every times I hear about a new shitty practice.\n\nI honestly thought I’d give up or forget after two days, but I’m still going on. I’m not writing this to toot my own horn, but it’s been pleasantly surprising how little I depend on YouTube and how willing I am to cut it out of my life.", "Little to no views means just as much to video quality as likes and dislikes. People just getting started or people that don't post often are often going to have low counts because people gravitate to the usual suspects out of habit.", "I left a negative review for a card shop on yelp and it was mysteriously removed the next day. The review was respectful but apparently negative observations about a business aren't tolerated on yelp.", "It sucks but it's not all bad. Someone is already working on a browser extension, probably.", "Same! Wtf. There's something really shady going down and there's nothing that's gonna be done about it.", "I believe the bots shadowbanned him because of the sexually explicit word he used.", ">20 minute diy\n\nYeah nah.", "Then it's easier to be short-sighted. Which means I'm still in the right here.\n\nBut you weren't wrong about short-sightedness and greed. We're not enemies, so I don't think we should act like enemies.\n\nPeace?", "As I already [said](https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r7zjjm/youtube_is_deleting_comments_from_creators_who/hn3sfes/?context=10000) that is a bullshit.", "I think the phrase was changed on this page, which was a list of things they wrote out back when \"Google was just a few years old. \" \n\nBut then they changed one of them to \"You can make money without doing evil. \" Which... C'mon...\n\nhttps://about.google/philosophy/", "Like DeFranco always says, never EVER leave your audience on one single platform that can kill you with any random algorithm change or whim.", "Nah just using the buzzwords against them. I definitely support free speach, and definitely support the consequences of abusing that right.", "Quick, everyone, let's go back to daily motion!", "Nah, you're overthinking it. it's much simpler than that. More views = more ad revenue. Their entire business model revolves around maximizing viewership. By their own admission, their algorithms are programmed very specifically to optimize around maximizing the number of videos people watch (and thus # of ads by extension).\n\nWhen someone skips a video because of dislikes that's lost ad revenue for them. So they're covering up the dislikes which cost them that revenue.", "What's the one thing Tiktok, Facebook, Twitter, and virtually every other social media platform have in common? Comments. It will not happen.", "Giving $1 to a YouTuber is probably more income than they'll ever see from any one individual", "Not so much in store, but online they run a marketplace with 3rd party sellers, some of whom have fake review practices and sell virtual e-waste. If I'm buying online these days, I use Canada Computers, Memory Express, London Drugs...", "So - to be fair, this is one example of a guy who's comments are being deleted... but there is no other evidence I've seen that creators (plural) are running into this problem, or that it's widespread. \n\nFor instance: I'm a creator with a moderately large channel, and I've publicly been critical of YouTube's removal of the dislike count.... and all my critical comments are still on the site, as are all comments since.\n\nI'm all for pitchforks when warranted... but this feels like a lot of assumptions/logical leaps were made.....", "> the top payer.\n\nThat is the World today. And have been for most of human history. Only brief stints of democracy and collective effort breaks up the tyranny of the elite. \n \nI just wish I get to live to see the day when the elite scum without conscience gets upended by their own AI algorithms and turned into paper-clips", "Don't worry youtube well eventually comment on this and blame it on \"the algorithm\" as always happens.", "The videos are the ads. AdBlock won't be our salvation.", "Why was the dislike removed, and the actual answer not YouTubes lies", "If you like painting minis but don't want to buy overpriced GW minis, look into 3D printing. You can get a lot done with a very cheap printer and save a lot of money over time.", "I have Youtube premium. I pay their bills. There is almost 30 million youtube premium subscribers.", "I totally understand this. \n\nI used to frequent IMDB for movie fandoms and Livejournal for more niche book fandoms/crafting and those communities have obviously drifted. Attempts to regroup on platforms like reddit and tumblr arent the same since its missing certain functions of what made those places so great. \n\nDiscord comes close now but its hard to find a larger audience because of the inherent exclusivity.", "This change has hit my channel in a very negative way. I run a moderately successful DIY channel, and I like to think I make very high-quality content, and I try very hard to make sure I'm always giving out correct and complete information. \n\nThere has been a large, noticeable dip in my views metrics since mid Nov, when this change rolled out. \n\nAll my videos have a 97+% like to dislike ratio, and it appears that way more viewers than I originally thought were really relying on those counts before deciding to watch a video. \n\nThis makes it really hard to separate the good content from the bad, and has me re-evaluating all the effort I put into my content.\n\nThis change has certainly not been good for me, as a creator.", "If you say so.\n\nSee the thing is, at this point, I just don't believe you.\n\nYou claim you \"work from your bedroom selling things\" in which case you're doing the same shit amazon is doing pushing out B&M stores. But yet you rail against them so that goes against your alleged values.\n\nYou claim you \"quit retail\" because of \"idiot customers\" and yet I'm willing to bet it was more a case of you ran a bad business into the ground and instead blamed the customers.\n\nAnd now despite my consistent dismissal, which went over your head, you continue to try and brag to me. So it's all coming across as lies to me. You've made up a story, and you're trying to convince someone who will never be convinced, but whom you desperately want to convince. And each time it gets more sad.\n\nEither way I'm off to bed, you may have the last word if you want it.", "Yup", "Can't wait for someone to replace YouTube like MySpace of old", "HAH! This is hilarious because /r/Videos does the same exact thing", "I'm probably naive but I think paying people for views was a mistake.", "Worked at a place that was friendly with the county politicians. It was always amazing how lenient they were with the health, fire, and zoning codes.", "Likes are useless if you dont have a dislikes to compare to", "ohhhhh that makes me burn if anyone ever offered me a refund to remove a review the review would get an immediate \"edit\" and I would mention that. :-) have to be careful though as the way they get \"around\" this is you can't review the seller in the review.....", "They’ve been astroturfing Reddit before most people knew what astroturfing was", "Yeah, @TooMuchDynamite is pretty damn good and his starfox comics are ~~very gay~~ a pretty fun read", "He sound like a guy how does movie trailer voice overs", "Amy content older than 1 year that pops up in suggested videos I completely ignore. Unless I'm specifically trying to find something old", "That's part of why I'm thinking of subbing to nebulae", "I’d say at least the past 6 years of content have been rather stifled fwiw", "Maybe read the rest of my comments before going off.", "same. infuriating", "never used the stars unless it has thousands of reviews. you must READ the reviews. if I get a cheap widget and it DOES what its supposed to do the PRICE factors into the review ranking so it might get a 4 star even if its cheaply made but also cheaply prices. IE if I buy a $10 knife I review a $10 knife. I don't pretend its a $100 knife. if it does not fall apart and is sharp enough to do what it needs to do and does not rust in the first couple of weeks its probably going to get 4 or 5 stars.\n\nAll items start with 5 stars not 0 in my book. you then have to \"screw up\" to lose stars\n\nEncapsulate that solar panel in non uv stable resin? automatically lose a star. can't replace the battery? $10? you get a pass $180 you loose 1 or even 2 stars automatically. I am brutal with the solar stuff :-)", "Can’t we just like the hell out of bad videos and have them trend on the front page in rebellion.", "I do not understand the end of this video", "and amazons algorythm is a BITCH sometimes. any idea how aggravating is it to put 3 hours into TYPING the review I spend 6 months working on with 10 pictures and a video (detailed pictures not just difference sides BS) to have them declare \"can not be posted\" for a non existant they won't tell you what guidelines violation.\n\nI had one review for a flashlight I actually love and use daily. my final review finally got accepted. My review was literally this\n\n\"Sorry no review just stars\"\n\nTHAT finally got approved.\n\nI ACTUALLY one time ONLY got a rep from community guidelines to reply. he said this picture does not show the device what is its relevance.\n\nThe device was a hoover onepwr pet stain spot carpet cleaner. the picture was a before and after\n\nOF THE GOD DAMNED STAIN IT REMOVED\n\nI am not kidding their system is batshit stupid sometimes. I mean I was an official reviewer in their official program and still had to go through that piss ass shit to get a review posted.", "People were (rightly) mass downvoting all the trashy, lie-riddled political propoganda videos from the whitehouse/etc. So YT carried out its threat from when the last ytrewind became the most disliked video of all time in under a week.", "That is also true. I've heard t from one or two of the many in subbed to.", "The old media always wins it seems. 😿", "its about quantity. MOST people get a working product that does what its supposed to do even if not amazingly well.\n\nwhen its 100 reviews or even 30 reviews a couple of bad reviews has a big impact.\n\nbut when its 16,000 reviews even a hundred bad ones does basically nothing.\n\nthen god help me why the hell does amazon allow this. review rank \"gaming\" where they will post some cheap $3 widget get a bunch of review for it then \"change\" the item under that sku to something new and POOF its already got a high rating and ranking but none of the reviews are of any relevance because its a different god damned product.\n\nwhat POSSIBLE reason is there to allow this except in the rare instances of say a revision of the SAME product.", "I have no reason to suspect this guy is lying, but to be fair we cant rule out deleting the comment from a phone/alternate login device. I wouldn't put this garbage past YT knowing its track record, but this video is far from definitive proof.", "That’s kinda the thing though. It definitely isn’t as bad but it’s getting there. \n\nYou just pointed out you’re not American ,it’s one of those things you can’t get unless you lived here to see it collapse. America lost its way ,and will continue to fall until people wake up.", "...the AI created by humans, given relative weighting metrics by humans, iterated and tweaked by humans, and packaged and sold by humans? That AI?", "I worked at google. You can absolutely pay to have your review moderated and ratings made better. Google has scruple left", "They understand a paycheck, independent of their tech savvy.", "That ending was gold.", "Yeah I think we need to have a long, hard discussion about whether or not we should continue to allow that.\n\nI think there are a lot of nuances here that people are glossing over (AS USUAL) that we need to sit down and discuss, because I don't think our current laws and current way of thinking are adapting with out technology and the reality of our lives, and it's causing a LOT of problems, in case you haven't noticed.", "Lots of dislikes on videos released by YouTube, other corporations and the White House", "I pay for the Prime, and I return nonchallantly, at a slightest dislike. Amazon Trials, is what I call that Prime now.", "nice try Google.....", "Kurwa mac, CO = carbon monoxide, Dwutlenek węgla, CO2 = carbon dioxide, tlenek węgla.", "this shit happens because people wanted to censor right wingers instead of just putting them in the idiot pen", "Twitter does this as well. Except when they do it they claim they’re “protecting others”. In reality if you go against the grain whether it be in politics or generalized opinions good luck having a platform of any kind.", "To be honest with you, I don't. Yes, the comment was about free speech and the reply was US has jailed and killed people (hence no free speech). \n\nMy reply was more on the line of, yes, every country has done that at several points in history, that doesn't mean that US is better at free speech than many other countries, at least today. Specially communist countries like Cuba, Venezuela and China.", "Do you read entire threads before replying to someone on the off chance they said a thing you were gonna address? You're a filthy fucking liar if you say yes.", "I believe that what you are saying is true, but what would the alternative be? China has the same thing, but backwards. And I'm not sure a self-reckoning crisis will happen anytime soon with the ones that run the show.", "I love comments like these as they are just an exacerbation of the real problem.", "When countries were run by the army, for example.", "Nah, go to odysee. They are an actual platform", "Did I say the whole thread? No. Just my comments. Is easy, there all here, a part of this chain. Your laziness isn't my problem.", "YouTube handles something insane like 50hrs of new content a minute. Nobody without globally distributed data centers could ever hope to compete and even then you can count the companies that could handle that kind of data on your fingers. And this isn’t just a “host it on AWS” kind of thing. You would go bankrupt in a month with the storage fees you would be paying any cloud provider. Maybe they can be disrupted but I really wouldn’t bet on it unless another company at similar scale and with similar tech prowess (like Amazon) decided to build a competitor. Even then, that’s just the tech side. YouTube has an insane head start on content.", "Perhaps it’s time for a competitor. \n\n“Goodtube. Where dislikes are still shown.”", "Their will be no competition because they hold all the cards. They will either buy them out or stamp out the competition. The only way to fix this would be 8n our laws. \n\nEnough of this stupid shit like voting with our wallets or go to a non existent platform. That shit is the least you can do and never works with these companies too big to fail.", "It amazes me how the ui for shorts which is supposed to be purpose-made for mobile is so horrible on mobile when compared with regular videos.", "My favorite is the bait and switch reviews, where a seller builds up their review count on one product and then somehow switches it out for another one. So there will be pages of 4-5 star reviews, but they're for a completely different product than the one currently being sold.", "Yeah nah", "Holy shit, my review is gone too", "On computer, there’s a Chrome extension to get it back", "Hold up — you bought an expensive TV and it would play ads while you were streaming to it? This is mental.", "This is the way, you can often find detailed reviews that a real person took the time to write honestly, that is usually a fair representation of the product. Everything else is just noise, this has always been the case with the internet in general, you slowly build a sense to detect the bullshit. Sadly text synthesizers are getting really good and this will be increasingly harder, as the bots and click farms will be way more sophisticated.", "Just a regular ol' millionaire.", "Give up before you even start. Classy.", "It's becoming cable TV", "Gonna get torched for this, but if you don't like dislikes being removed on YouTube then don't use YouTube. And why are people so upset that they can't show how upset they are? Was it that important to you? Is that how you exhibited your power? Your voice? Is that how you derived meaning in life? Maybe be a Reddit moderator to scratch that power trip itch.", "Whatever happened to it being YouTube? Now its just corporation-tube or something.", "Hear me now, quote me later", "History would disagree. They changed their policies a bunch of times because advertisers got pissy.", "Back when YouTube was small, metacafe was a competitor. I wonder how it’s doing now...", ">Writing for The New York Times, Nathaniel Popper reported that many of the new users appeared to be supporters of former United States president Donald Trump, white supremacists, and gun rights advocates who were suspended from YouTube.\n\nI think I'm going to take a pass on this one...", "I just don't trust any negative review ever anymore, so I actually agree with youtube on this decision.", "I legit got an ad for \"ad-blocker-buster\" software the other day", "Amazon is actually pretty easy to decipher. There are some browser plug-ins that thelp as well. \n\nBut sort by recent and look at the review pictures and review videos. \n\nAlso read the 3 and 4 star reviews and see what they say as nobody pays for a 4 star review. \n\nThe one star reviews are also good because you can tell what the actusly problem is as many one star review are due to illiterate users and not the product or company. \n\nProduct: 15 inch Gizmo. \nCustomer: too small for my 10 inch Gizmo holder. One star.", "Honestly the trick for me is if the thing or place I'm looking for has just enough good ratings.\n\nIf I see a thing with 5000+ 5 star reviews and it's for a relatively obscure brand or product category, I write it off as \"I can't trust these reviews\". 50 to 100? Yeah that seems legit.", "It's kind of a bogus conceit that none of \"this\" would exist without capitalism, as if human progress is tied to an economic philosophy.", "Thats really not true anymore. Much harder to purchase reviews and not get caught anymore. \n\nAmazon just made it even harder to get around than it used to be too. \n\nRead the 3 and 4 star reviews. Thats where reality is.", "I knew it was going to suck but I didn't realize just how much I looked at the dislike count until mine were removed. Turns out it's the first thing I look at when clicking on a video.", "Similarly, to asume the bad in humanity is because eof an economic philosophy is equally bogus.", "Pi hole probably", "I thought they introduced the verified buyer thing to stop this though? Like don't have have to buy it on Amazon in order to be able to leave a review?", "To do both, your company had an adblocker either on your system or on your browser by default, and also likely had the third party sites blocked on the router. You can’t block YouTube ads or modern Hulu ads on the router as they come from YouTube/Hulu itself and load through the same gateway as your video you want to watch; that’s why you need a blocker that can see the information on the page. You used to be able to block Hulu ads from the router as they were coming from other DNSs, but that isn’t how it works anymore!", "How is the like count meaningfully different from the view count now?", "I don't thinks so, i think its just getting started.", "PornHub should start competing with YouTube.", "We need a better alternative to YouTube which is consumer friendly and not corporate friendly.", "Amazon choice is based on a specific keyword. Its listed right next to the badge. Nobody notices though. \n\nYou can be Amazon's choice for \"wheelchair seat cushions for left handed musicians\"", "And this is the sort of delusion I'm talking about with /u/imafraidofmuricans; I never even said America was the best.", "Big tech controlling the narrative? In other news… water is wet.", "NO! Keep Youtubers off Vimeo! I don’t want these asshole to ruin it too!", "I love that you called him Mr. Anderson instead of Neo or even Thomas.", "Water is actually not wet; It makes other materials/objects wet. Wetness is the state of a non-liquid when a liquid adheres to, and/or permeates its substance while maintaining chemically distinct structures. So if we say something is wet we mean the liquid is sticking to the object.", "Install Vinegar.", "Man. Bring on the downvotes: The company with the private forum said they don't like your opinion and don't want to let you use their server space to host it.", "I saw that furry video you were watching. EXPOSED", "I had one of my comments removed within seconds the other day and after watching this, I imagine it's because the comment included the word \"disappointed\". It wasn't a negative comment, though.", "It's a great video but not sure it's the right fit here. Problem with advertising based revenue is that us viewers are not the customers. We're the product they're selling. They must do enough to retain us, and make use as enticing to their actual customers, the buyers of ads. Change like this actually is them trying to make a better product for their customers.", "!remindme 365 days", "You've got a genuinely great username", "It's crazy to me that nobody has tried to get in touch with him to run an actual Starfox TV series. I'm excited for Ep 2.\n\n(If you haven't seen Episode 1, that sounds premature... But just watch it.)", "I hate that they removed the dislike button but this guy seems like a fucking psychopath", "Literally 1984", "Lgb", "Too true. While threads on films can go on for years on forums, Reddit has a very short expiration date. After a few days there isn't anyone on a Reddit thread to discuss and it gets archived in 6 months. IMDB's discussion board is a big loss. Glad someone remembered this.", "The big news sites all used to have comments. They started getting called out on their bs, so they removed them altogether. It's accelerating to all the other platforms now. So sad to see it happen...", "Eh, you utilised shitty logic and needlessly attacked someone else accusing them of shit you had no good reason to believe they did. You aren't worth properly engaging with. I'll stick with mockery and flippant dismissal thanks.", "“The United States is also a one-party state but, with typical American extravagance, they have two of them.” -Julius Nyerere", "I wouldn’t say Bernie is pro-corporation but I’d be happy to be proven otherwise.", "That’s a slippery slope fallacy. There’s plenty of countries who have “censored” people from denying the Holocaust and it has worked out just fine for them.", "I don't really watch youtube for podcasts, but rather personalities that I like", "[Just add this extension and get the dislikes back.](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)", ">\tlaowhy86\n\nEw", "Just use the extension. And it will come back.\nThey havent removed the API yet.", "This comment says it all", "What is the benefit of removing dislikes? I'm seriously interested... isn't more visible data better no matter what?", "It's been that way for a while, ever since youtube started demonitizing most ever major youtuber, hence why all the YouTube have to do video sponsorships on all of their content, they don't get paid otherwise.", "Of course they are because it's not about providing the best platform for the users but providing the best platform for the political elite to manufacture a consensus", "I absolutely hate that about Netflix. I have to Google each show/movie to get some idea of it's user rating. So many things have gone anti user friendly the last several years on purpose. It's infuriating.", "> decentralised\n\nMy guess is that it's a resource hog, the videos are so temporary that they are not worth viewing, or both.", "I remember when Netflix got rid of the dislike button. At the time I said to myself “I bet they’re going to flood Netflix with their own shows and you can’t downvote them, that’s the real reason”. I bet YouTube will be rolling out their own content in the not too distant future.", "I left a 1 star rating on the Play Store yesterday. I just checked and it's nowhere to be found.", "Formatting&trade;", "Canada dry>", "How do we fight for this ? Is there an alternative?", "I've stopped liking videos. Let them see numbers dropping. I know it makes no difference in the big scheme of things.", "And sponsorblock. I especially hate the ones where the youtuber is talking about something and directly mentions a product they're sonsoring. It feels manipulative. Just cut to the ad and cut back to the topic.", "Sounds like a fence.", "there was a screenshot of several biden and kamala announcements and theyre all disliked to hell", "Yall remember when reddit removed the downvote counter?", "We are going to need a person to program a bot to spam (why remove dislike button)", "This was absolutely a massive loss for IMDB and the media world, I just couldn’t understand it. They said that it was only a small fraction of users who spent time on the forums, but it cut my time there 99%. There is nothing left to do on that website any longer other than a do quick lookup. It was such a diverse collection of obscure thoughts and trivia, I don’t believe there will ever be anything like it again.", "I was typing a WTF style comment but then realized that Google owns both the play store and YouTube... so it makes sense that they would do something shady like that.", "My point was that it's a slippery slope fallacy. We can draw the line wherever we want and protest when that line is overstepped. You don't have to \"allow everything\" or something stupid like that in the name of censorship not snowballing out of control.", "At least you don't have any dislikes on your video!", "YouTube is a corporation so they get to decide to do whatever the hell they want within the confines of the law. Outside of that, society decides. Just like we agreed that murder is wrong or that you can't scream fire in a crowded movie theater.", "I have a similar issue where I can no longer post a comment with any links. Doesn't even matter if it's a link to another YouTube video. If I post a link, it's as if I never made the comment in the first place. I don't know how they justify it, but whatever their reasoning is, it's dogshit. I want the old 2010 YouTube back.", "Meanwhile console users can cry or risk using a Russian IP lol", "Be a real human bean", "One man's slippery slope fallacy is another man's scope creep.", "I've known of him since he made gaming videos for like 400 viewers and spoke with him a lot until he got big. He's an incredibly genuine person. Virtually every cent he makes goes back into his content or to charity or to his family.\n\nThe only big creator I don't dislike.", ">\tWhen people repeatedly follow YouTube tutorials that don't work, and realize that there's no real way to vet the process before following the steps, they will stop using Youtube for these kind of videos entirely.\n\nAnd instead use what exactly? YouTube has a monopoly on user uploaded video. TikTok's format doesn't really work for tutorials, Vimeo might have some, but probably not what you need.\n\nYouTube has too much control, so they can do whatever they want without losing viewers,", "That's really odd. I've been a regular google contributor sijce their programme began and made it all the way to the top tier of local guides. Before the vaccines were out and when we were going through our peak of infections a local circus that still uses animals for performances and has been reported repeatedly to SPCA for animal abuse decided to open up and was advertising everywhere. I was angry on multiple levels and I figured I leave a review with all the details of listed abuse and that it was a terrible bussiness that shouldn't be supported. Google stripped ny local guide status and refuse to reinstate it after an appeal. I expect the owners probably paid for Google ads (how I found out about it in the first place) and has an account manager that blocked me at google. I also reported the ads on YouTube and since that happened they've taken away my ability to report ads. They're sort of inadvertently strong arming bussinesses to use their tools and ad platforms to get support. A small business can get review bombed if they don't use their platform and if you're a big enough bussiness to afford it you can hide whatever bad behaviour you want", "You've really lived to that username, haven't you?", "I'm sorry but this post is stupid.\n\nThis isn't \"Google banning people for criticizing dislike removal\". It's hilarious that people think there's some Youtube admin sitting there and deleting comments that criticize them...\n\nThis is a simple shadowban, it's a common technique to combat spam and bots. OP literally admitted that they've been going around Youtube and posting the same comment under every video, and that last comment also having \"Handjob\" probably got extra flagged.\n\nThere is also anecdotal and there's no evidence.", "Yeah, absolutely nothing to do with commenting about \"handjobs\". Y'all are nuts", "Unless you make an aggregator site that lets you search all the major video platforms. It wouldn't have any of the overheads of hosting videos and over time the most favoured hosting platform would gain more traction.", "Do you think that 3 credit card companies are the only payment processors in the world nowadays?", "Reminds me of that fredryk phox guy from newgrounds 20 years ago or however long at this point\n\nedit: oh, okay, [probably because it is him](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fredryk-phox) - wow I am old.", "It's all so that youtube can shove more ads down your throat. We just need to band together and go to another platform and leave youtube in the dust. Fuck youtube", "Just went to their video and told them to fuck off with this shit.\n\nHopefully I'll no longer be able to comment on their fucking platform either.", "ra'men", "I used to visit you tube and the time. Now I hardly go on there. Fuck you tube. They have great creators but are doing everything possible to drive out viewers.", "Except they sent this thing round a while back saying they were free to block you if you blocked too many ads/they couldn't monetize you.\n\nI never see anyone talking about it so I wonder if maybe that was just some spam email.", "\"now answer the question\" see. Perfect little footsoldier", "Oh for the hell's sake! \n\nMy recent review has also been deleted without comment or notification! \n\nThis is full on corporate engaged censorship and limitation of freedom of speech!", "No. Do you actually think that people have to do what you say?\n\nAt least if you grew up, you wouldn't be bothering to have such a stupid argument with everyone.\n\nGrow up.", "Only buy those with thousand stars.", "You should see the new Fire Stick layout. I dont even know where the fuck my apps are in that ocean anymore", "> I don't believe that people \n\n\n> I just don't think most people do this.\n\n\nThose are two different things. I do it, other people I know do it. Maybe we're only 0.1% of all people. But we do it. If you don't care about dislike, good for you. Others do.\n\nIf have only limited time in every day. If I can choose about a couple of different videos on the same topic, I'm going to go for the one with the most views and best like/dislike ratio. I'm not going to watch them all to see which one was the best. If a few minutes in I hate it for whatever reason, I might still pick another.", "If have only limited time in every day. If I can choose about a couple of different videos on the same topic, I'm going to go for the one with the most views and best like/dislike ratio. I'm not going to watch them all to see which one was the best. If a few minutes in I hate it for whatever reason, I might still pick another.", "Given two videos about the same topic there is a high chance that he one with the worse like/dislike ratio is the worst of the two.", "This sounds like a very minor inconvenience. One that doesn't match the amount of outrage this is generating.", "I was frequently googling a restaurant near me that was due to open \"soon\" without much info available on details. Suddenly I saw a couple of 1 star reviews pop up with some nonsense complaints about something. The restaurant wasn't open yet...", "> you’re entirely reliant\n\nNo, I never said that.\n\n> 4 minutes \n\nThis is not about 4 minutes videos, most videos I watch are 10-30 minutes.\n\n> How did all the people who clicked your coveted dislike button the video know it was bad before watching it? \n\nProbably they're more willing to invest time in watching it than me.\n\n> They watched the video and found out on their own. Just like you now have to do. \n\nOr I just switch to a different video platform, or watch fewer videos, or no videos at all. I don't have time to spend watching three 20 minute DYI videos only finding out the third one was actually the only good one. If you have that time, I envy you.\n\n\nIf have only limited time in every day. If I can choose about a couple of different videos on the same topic, I'm going to go for the one with the most views and best like/dislike ratio. I'm not going to watch them all to see which one was the best. If a few minutes in I hate it for whatever reason, I might still pick another.\n\n> Side note- a dislike on a YouTube video carries about as much weight as a downvote does on Reddit. Just because its disliked, doesn’t always mean it’s bad.\n\nGiven two videos about the same topic there is a high chance that he one with the worse like/dislike ratio is the worst of the two.\n\nIf you don't care about dislike, good for you. Others do.", "one of the worst things is when it will say it's coming from the official brand page but ends up being a knock-off anyway.\n\n\n trying to find a genuine samsung fast-charge capable charger was impossible; i ordered two different listings, seller was listed as Samsung and the pictures showed samsung labeled products. both times the product I got was blank generic packaging with no branding anywhere in the chargers, and they weren't compatible with my phone to support fast charging! I guess you can just call your store Samsung and Amazon doesn't ask questions?\n\nI got refunds both times and they let me keep the shitty chargers even but I won't trust Amazon for any name brand stuff ever again", "\\>The US jailed communists\n\nAs if this is a bad thing", "As for your comment about that means more scam videos, didn't you hear what YouTube said? Scam videos aren't allowed on YouTube, just report it to them.\n\nI wish I was joking, but apparently that was an actual response from [YouTube on their Twitter](https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1458486874637406211). Who thought that would be a good response to one of their most stupidest decisions?", "I don't mean to say he's not a good person or anything, just seems like a stretch to call him a \"regular Joe\".", "Arguably, YouTube is on track to implode. We’re bound for a new platform for creators to share their ideas/voice with a dislike/like button.", "Good luck finding somebody to take you up on that bet", "People who are claiming that the removal of the dislike button is to please corporations are braindead. Corporate accounts already disable ratings and comments. But hey, I suppose forming baseless conspiracy theories and boogeymen is easier than critical thinking", "We must try to digg them", "They have like 80% market share between the 3 of those companies. Amex also joined the ban, so like 99% of the marketshare for credit card processors won't work with them. The only way to pay pornhub right now is by entering your banking details. Not a horse I would bet on.", "This is why we should start reporting their videos.\n\nEdit : And if possible their app too.", "They don't. YouTube is a loss making venture. Without Google, it wouldn't exist. And c'mon, advertisers are worried of YouTubers swearing, but sure, they'll definitely move over to a fucking porn site.", "I'm still surprised that nobody made a similar site to YouTube and people would just switch over there. I mean all the shit YouTube has done and how they act, they deserve their numbers in videos, views... to be declining.", "This happens when the Play Store detects review bombing. iOS App Store does this, too.", "Is there a YouTube alternative at this point? It would be a good time to start one", "If they have a website, use Trustpilot. It's my number one resource before I buy off any website.", "I just dislike every video now. Doesn't matter anymore.", "YouTube deletes my Anti CCP comments like crazy.\n\nIt’s a good thing Reddit doesn’t delete comments like \n\nFuck Xi Jinping, Fuck CCP", "There's this one channel about self defense with a lot of terrible and dangerous advice, every comment is praising how badass they are because they remove every single critical comments. I imagine they spend 8 hours a day deleting comments they don't like. It's called Detroit Threat Management Center", "Minor for one, bigger for others. I also don't know why the outrage is so big. ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯ I'm just saying how it affects me.", "Yes but before you could go off the amount of dislikes to see if the comments were an accurate reflection of the video content, now you have nothing", "You think that’s crazy…wait’ll you find out what this site does!", "Is there an alternative to YouTube?", "Oh no! We must protections big corporations from dislikes... which corporate accounts already have disabled... waaaaait - are you telling me the actual reason is more nuanced than muh company muh big tech?", "I mean, it's been like 5 minutes, people will probably still forget soon.", "Similar situation here with amazon reviews. Left a 2 star review on an air filter whose product description writes that you can buy replacement filters - but even after an hour searching, you can't find any product listing for replacement filters, not on amazon or any other store. I even got the product refunded, but my review got declined.", "None of what you wrote shows why it wouldn't be the plausible explanation the other gave.\n\nIf one channel has comment approval on and the other doesn't, then how you described it is exactly how it may look to you.", "Microsoft does as well.", "Do you remember the old social media platform from maybe 2009 that was for movie lovers??? I met so many girls on there in high school. Lmao", "Coming Soon to PornHub. Not porn.", "\nHello! You have made the mistake of writing \"ect\" instead of \"etc.\"\n\n\"Ect\" is a common misspelling of \"etc,\" an abbreviated form of the Latin phrase \"et cetera.\" Other abbreviated forms are etc., &c., &c, and et cet. The Latin translates as \"et\" to \"and\" + \"cetera\" to \"the rest;\" a literal translation to \"and the rest\" is the easiest way to remember how to use the phrase. \n\n[Check out the wikipedia entry if you want to learn more.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Et_cetera)\n\n^(I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Comments with a score less than zero will be automatically removed. If I commented on your post and you don't like it, reply with \"!delete\" and I will remove the post, regardless of score. Message me for bug reports.)", "I was I think Sam Beckman talking about new pipe but can't find it in play store. Is it safe to get APK from sites?", "This is either the worst or best play of all time. I for one, think they flew too close to the sun on this one. Like holy shit, the people at Youtube/Google took it way too far this time. Like how the hell are people supposed to interpret this in a good light? Just terrible PR and making a product worse to the point of people wanting to exit Google. Imagine wanting to exit Google as a platform at this point? I know there are lots of people that use Android and other Google products that are deep into a sunk cost analysis for our trust in Google.", "You don't sound very \"grown up\" yourself, at all, IMO.", "Google. Remember that Google is the one in charge of all of this.", "You know what would be a nice little fuck you is if content creators starting pinning a comment in the comment section of their videos that just says dislike and people give it a thumb if they agree", "They don’t care about the individual, they care about the brands that don’t want us to see their shitty videos get downvoted 10 million times.", "Same - I left 2 genuinely negative reviews and one somewhat good (not brilliant) review and guess which ones disappeared. \n\nThis will start happening with TV and film soon and we'll all end up seeing Cats because of it.", "Ppl will have to watch more to decipher if the video is good or not", "That's a good theory. I wonder if true.", "He sounds like Negan.", "Nice reach. It doesn't matter. Or maybe you're right man im sure grandmas watching qanon videos will totally second guess billy's homemade pizzagate documentary all thanks to the like/dislike ratio.", "Honestly this would literally be the perfect way to force YouTube in to a position where they HAVE to listen to us.\n\nOnly problem is, since most people already use YouTube, it's hard to convince anybody to move over to places like Odysee or BitChute, because they simply cannot match YouTube's content output or volume. It's... Not exactly a \"vicious cycle\" but it's similar and it sucks ass.", "Youtube it's starting a dictatorship at this point...", "Could it be a strategy to label anything dangerous to the media as „alt right“ to stigmatize them?", "I don't know why but somehow the Google play stoe deletes comments by default. If I try it many times sometimes the comment sticks around. Maybe you should give it a few more shots. Maybe it's about writing your comment objectively and trying to avoid insults etc.", "Or maybe they use youtube tutorials and use the like/dislike to gauge how useful the tutorial is instead of wasting their time following broken instructions that could actually get them hurt or killed depending on the context. Or maybe people don't like that youtube is protecting massive corporations, say nintendo for example, who's announcement videos almost universally get a 1/10 dislike ratio.\n\nI'm not downvoting you because you said something negative. I'm downvoting because you said something demonstrably stupid.", "dude this is just part of the process. it's been established that you'll bend over and spread your cheeks after awhile if you don't do it immediately. remember ajit pai?", "You'll just kind og have to try to guesstimate it based on the ratio of likes and views now. Liie in your example a video with 5k likes and 500k dislikes would have to have somewhere in thetens to hundreds of millions of views for those numbers to be realistic. And a video with 400M views and 5k likes would fortunately be quite obviously suspicious.\n\nI had a look around to see what the ratios might be like, and noted that most videos that I knew for sure had high ratios tended to have somewhere between 2-5% likes vs views, while videos I knew were heavily disliked were more like 1% or less. It's far from accurate and becomes less so with videos with fewer views, but at least it's something.", "This. Move over to another platform. People keep acting like YouTube is the only fucking option and it's so fucking infuriating because all it takes is a chunk of their userbase leaving the platform, to make them give people what they want.", "Lmao the people that downvoted aren't coming back to read your edit. But hope it made you feel better", "Alternatives?", "Dangerous to the media? That kind of bullshit is what gives them record ratings. Everyone loves rubbernecking for the shitshow.", "Changing the 5* rating system wasn't too bad because at least there was a bar showing the like-to-dislike ratio. It implied the same thing. But good-to-bad ratio is now gone.", "It is because the ads were like 2 mins each normally so I'll take 30 secs of black.", "Look for the reviews with pics, usually real ppl", "You poor inconvenienced child.", "I've found myself really unmotivated to use YouTube ever since they made the change.\n\nI never realized how I reflexively looked at the dislikes of every video I watch.\n\nI enjoyed priming my experience with the opinion of others, but now it just feels like YouTube is moving even closer to being cable", "It's good when they ban furries. They are gross.", "\\>gauging how useful a tutorial is (follow bad instructions, get screwed over or even injured)\n\n\\>Prompting people to look into the comments for info as to why a video is \"bad\" if they can't see it for themselves\n\n\\>displaying to everyone that a massive corporation (nintendo for example) made a decision that was really stupid, usually prompting them to reverse that decision.\n\nThat's just off the top of my head. There are a myriad of reasons that removing dislikes was dumb as fuck.", "Youtube is starting to become a shitty platform, ads, shadow banning comments and videos / creators that I LIKE and now this. \n\n\nBut it's the platform that we will continue to use. 1 star in the appstore and move on.", "In the meanwhile, I found a fake sequel movie trailer a few days ago, thumbnail and title seemed legit, but it was nothing more than random existing shots glued together with some background music.\n\nThose videos always had like 90% dislikes \nBut now I have no way to know, not before watching half of it first \n\nMan, YouTube gonna be the paradise of misinformation and fake content now", "You're essentially acting like creators like moistcritikal don't exist. Do you have any idea how much he talks about shit like that? Or Mutahar?", "At this point big companies don't have other choice anyway. Where they will go? Vimeo? YouTube did this because YouTube wanted to do this.", "None of the negatives reviews i've left on ANY site in the recent years have stayed up most than a couple of days. According to me all of them were legit complaints with the goal of helping reviewes with constructive critiscm but oooh well, i guess deleting reciews costs less than fixing problems.", "Yup I realised this most clearly watching the metaverse announcement video. No comments, no likes or dislikes. We have no idea if the reat of the global community thinks it's bullshit or not. People are talking about Web 3.0 when clearly they want to remove the community engagement and revert to web 1.0. You get served content, doesn't matter if you like it or not and you can't interact.", "Exactly. A good term for this is \"toxic positivity\". LinkedIn is a good example for such platforms.", "Nope. People just need to learn what a \"legitimate source\" and \"Facebook\" are. Restricting free-speech within private entities is a terrible thing to even consider. Scary control freak.", "I don't think you that word means what you think it means.", "No such thing as comment ranking like on Reddit. YT comments are all chronological", "WAIT THEY'RE DOING EPISODE 2?! \n\nI thought they got the C&D from no-fun-nintendo?", "America hasn't lost its way. It never had \"the way\" in anything but peoples minds. It's just that it's become increasingly difficult to keep up appearances.", "That's just false. The default order is \"Top comments\" but you can chamge it to \"newest first\" if you wish. And I have seen the top comment both be older and have fewer likes often enough to be sure there is more going on with the ranking.", "What yes it is communists is not the same as govt agent for a hostile enemy communism is not a boogey man and if you took one moment to learn about types of government and there functions you wouldn't say so. This is as bad as communists are socialsts and equal to nazis and ussr", "Ain't that the truth! I am constantly trying to get my friends to leave that shit, but they always say 'I know it's bad, but I only want to keep in contact with Aunt Flo.'\n\nThey know it's bad, they know they only see what the book wants you to see, they know they are the product, yet they STILL stay.", "In short: \n\n1) YouTube wants to create a toxically positive environment to support their sponsors\n2) YouTube wants to increase watch time by not giving the viewers the option to instantly classify videos as good or bad\n\nI really try not to sound too hysterical but they are robbing our valuable time. Summed up they are wasting thousands if not millions of years from humans on this earth altogether.", "Oh mb thought you were talking about reply chains", "You can use a browser plugin which still shows the dislike count for anyone not aware. Really manipulative of Google, probably so people don't see how hated those official youtube videos are.", "Remember when they announced they were putting ads on YouTube?", "It’s corrupt and we need to find a new platform bad", "Agree\n\n1) censorship\n2) political correctness\n3) too many ads\n4) spam and addictive nonsense content \n5) political agendas \n\nI really don't want to exaggerate but I think social media is the greatest threat to humans intellect at the moment. Gossip and nonsense has been around since decades but these days it just got way too strong.", "Reddit is the only platform that does not censor things too strongly. What I love about Reddit is that every sub can decide for itself. I hope that it will stay like this.", "This is pure censorship", "At 09:34 gmt I left a one-star review on the play store. I'll bet it's not five minutes until it's removed.", "I always start with the 1-star and move up. Usually I don't even reach 4 and 5. I know why the product is supposed to be great from its page, 4 as 5 usually only reinforce that. It's the 1-3 that tell the real story.", "You usually have a clearer view looking from outside in since your thoughts and beliefs haven't been molded by the culture in question.\n\nThe U.S isn't some small obscure place no one has ever heard of, it's the most well known country on earth.\n\nNot only has American culture found its way everywhere, Reddit, being an American site is filled with Americans taking about their experiences.\n\nAt this point some redditors know more about the intricasies of American life than they do of their own countries.", "This happens to me too. It started before the dislike fiasco. Just sayin.", "I've been trying to get used to not seeing the dislike button, but damn...its always the first thing I see when clicking on a new video. \n\nI want to actually see if the video is worth watching, if there's a big dislike ratio, I would love to know why, maybe the creator said something wrong, and their viewers can correct them on it. \n\nIt's very rare to even find groups mass disliking a video on a normal genuine creator, unless it's Youtube rewind. Like the top comment said, this ONLY BENEFIT Mainstream media.", "I am surprised it lasted this long", "Don't bank at that guy's house because he has to decrypt that TLS traffic to save those large files.", "I don't think anyone ever doubted that was the reason.", "See the problem with that kind of argumentation is is that you could fill an entire library with the things that people \"just need\" to do.\n\nPretty sure everybody says that sort of thing about almost anything you can imagine. So it's really not a very useful thing to say you see.", "Internet censorship is reaching levels of absurdity.", "Yes all that pressure of being offered more money for compliance. What a terrible fate to endure.", "Not hysterical at all, this removal only benefit mainstream networks. The Youtube like/dislike is actually very fair, unless it's Youtube rewind, 98% of the time it's fair, when there's a huge dislike ratio, it's because the video is bad or have wrong information.", "What year exactly is \"before\"‽", "It is a bad thing. Especially given how many were jus blindly accused lol", "It is jailing whistle-blowers to this very day.\n\nThe US is not special", "We don't know how much censoring goes on there. And even if there isn't any, it's still targeted by 50cent warriors and Russian troll factories. The edgy kids there are the easiest demographic to manipulate by foreign agencies seeking to cause a divide.\n\nAny place that's popular enough becomes a target for manufacturing opinions.", "What happened YT, you used to be cool?", "Good call just posted a 1 star review. I also incurage every one to use the feedback button in the app.", "This guy is a handjob.\n\nBe less abusive and maybe your PRIVILEGE to comment won't be removed.", "We need a new video platform. Vimeo and daily motion weren’t up to the task.", "You have your freedom of speech and expression secured by the Constitution, and YouTube has its liberty of deleting contents and comments that it dislikes because officials sworn to guard the very Constitution represent megacorporations' interests. Sounds cool to you? Great!", "Same!, everything I click on a new video from a new channel I have never watched before, I feel like I'm taking a risk with my time. Dislikes is so helpful at indicating a good or bad video, \n\nsometimes the video might not even be bad, there's just a single information that is wrong in it, and you can find the updated information on the comment section. \n\nThis change mainly helps big news networks, who pushes their agenda, and their videos are always have huge dislike ratio, because you can tell their pushing their \"opinions\" as news. I'm not even taking sides here, the Left and Right media does the same thing.", "I know this is a far fetched idea guys, but we could start asking our favourite youtubers on youtube comments to start posting their videos on odysee for example. \n\nThe extra work for them would be close to zero and we would have an alternative to youtube. \n\nThis is probably going nowhere but who's with me?", "Now, relating to this, i wonder how far youtube's protection of bigger youtubers and corporations goes. I once criticized a big youtuber in a comment of mine under a youtube rewind video. It was no attack or something, just something small about a youtuber copying/stealing thumbnails from another youtuber. Few hours later my 10 year old account was banned. 5 appeals, nothing. Youtube hasn't even told me for what exactly my account was banned.\n\nIt sucks that youtube has gotten to the point of being only money hungry.", "Many have, and many failed, Don't forget...Youtube has billions of dollars, the most amount of eyeballs, and is still the best way to push your content and grow an audience. \n\nIt's like getting out of this Youtube mansion, walk 100km in any direction, and find out, your still in Youtube's backyard.", "There is a browser addon that restores the dislike count.", "You can use `site:reddit.com` to exclusively search reddit.", "That is actually a great way to boycott youtube. If a lot of users would block all their ads on the platform, youtube would be forced to actually listen to the community.", "just use a tired party app. like newpipe", "If you \"dislike\" something, isn't that supposed to tell the algorithm to not suggest things like that to you in the future? I'm very worried I'm going to watch one video of a cat falling in the toilet and then I'll have an abundance of \"things falling in the toilet\" videos, without a way to say, \"NO, I don't want that!\".", "With YouTube really digging their heels in, third-party browser extensions are an alternative that they can't shut down.\n\nI made one that lets people add custom tags to videos, and vote on tags others have added. It can be used as a dislike.\n\n[www.communitytags.app](https://www.communitytags.app)", "I'm confused as to why they didn't delete the handjob comment, too? To like cleanse their stupid video.\n\nYouTube needs to not fuck with Fredryk Phox. His content is great", "Here's everyone's problem with this: THEY ALREADY HAD A FEATURE TO DISABLE THE LIKE BUTTON!", "I don't think it's a stretch. Literally, just today. I was trying to fix a string of christmas lights. I went to YouTube to look for how to find bad christmas light bulbs. The first video I watched didn't help at all yet it played two ads before and one ad afterwards. So I watched another which was better but still not great. More ads. I mostly found what I was looking for in the third video. But after more ads. Before, I would just briefly look for the video with the best ratio of likes to dislikes since I know it would almost certainly solve my problem. Now, I just have to go through one by one, giving YouTube more ad revenue each time. YouTube got 3x the ad revenue from my simple search today compared to before. \n(Yes I know about Adblock. I used to have YouTube premium to be ad-free but cancelled because of this change. I haven't gotten Adblock set up on my phone yet).\n\nYes, over time you may be right. Eventually stuff like this will make people no longer go to YouTube as their first choice. But that's a long way away because it's too ingrained at this point. But YouTube isn't thinking long term. They're thinking how can they maximize profits for this year/quarter/whatever. Removing dislikes will, in the short term, force people to watch more videos for longer.", "A bit like the pre-Youtube days.", "I tried this , it's something amazing and unique.", "I have realised that people are just ranting more even putting golden plate infront of them , i have also tried to promote Zeeker extension which i have found myself , but it just not getting enough thrust to notice many.", "Just wait two months.", "I don't use Instagram or tick tock, so I can't speak to those, but the shorts made by the YouTube creators I follow have been excellent, and I watch them regularly.", "Isn't Winstons job in 1984 to edit newspapers and published works to make it seem like the government was always right. In fact in part 2 of the novel his \"friend\" gets vaporized and Winston unceremoniously removes his name from a newspaper, to make it seem like the friend never existed.\n\nSo if YouTube goes in and auto removes people's comments from videos as if they never made the comments, that is literally 1984 with less steps. Because in the book it took a department of competitive writers and a few days to alter history. Where as this took a minute. \n\nI agree that people refer to the book too much but this is figuratively 1984.", "Everybody sells out. Everybody.", "I will never. When I look for a video I always look - when there are more dislikes then likes, I don‘t bother. Now, in times where EVERY VIDEO has 5+ advertisements, YT Premium costing more then NETFLIX!!! in my country, I can‘t handle watching 5-10 mins of a video just to find out it‘s garbage, is driving me crazy. I use youtube less and less and when I‘m not able to get an Indian Premium account I will stop to use it, because lets get real, things will only get worse.", "I feel like hopefully Odysee will take over. but i mean it will take alot of time either way", "I'm sure they're only doing that in order to protect small content creators from unnecessary comments about the dislike button....", "what do you think of things like Netflix Amazon prime hbo etc", "Google is the end of are old, somewhat safe and private existence. The great intentional COVID reset is the best thing that could possibly happen to big tech.", "> This isn't \"Google banning people for criticizing dislike removal\". It's hilarious that people think there's some Youtube admin sitting there and deleting comments that criticize them...\n\nNo one said there was? It's pretty obvious its a shadowban. Google is the one that would do the shadowban though.", "I don't use Vanced for fear that Google decides that I somehow violate their TOS by using it and deletes my Google account with my Gmail and all. I depend on it (nevermind that I use Android).", "And there is nothing we can really do about it, there is no competition, google has so much power and it will only get worse.", "Literally 1984", "I think one reason for the removal of the disklike button is to hide negative feedback from political content of \"approved\" media.", "That approach sadly already worked great for Facebook. The echo chamber is loud.", "Well it's going to help with tutorials(atleast tech related ones), people who install this extension are probably on average slightly more tech savvy than people who don't.\n\nAnyway, for now, it's the best we got. The more people who will use this extension the better it will be, and if google will remove the extension from chrome store people will probably just move to firefox and they don't want that.", "The free content is quite limited. As they're a charity, they don't have any real source of income other than subscriptions. They also refuse to take many from companies.\n\nTheir subscription has all the reviews which are quite in depth. Car seats, they extensively test and that isn't cheap. In other examples, vacuum cleaners measure dust, pet hair, allergens. Washing machines consider extra factors such as energy efficiency. They have costs and they have to recoup that, and that's their model.\n\nI've had to make a few expensive/ important purchases and purchases I've got wrong in the past. It was worth it for me. Of course only you can decide if you need it.\n\nI think they had a free period last month. Could still be there so you may be able to try for free.", "It's unfortunate we can't unionize somehow to agree to stop using youtube until they fix that. No one is gonna do that because he won't believe others are gonna do that, because it will only work if enough people do that and enough number will need to be quite big.", "God I hat when companies do this kinda stuff. It’s such a lazy way to not have to deal with anything", "Idc if creators can see dislikes. I want to see dislikes :(", "I posted a comment something like use me as a dislike button and it was removed immediately.\nI usually post a comment and refresh the comments because it has happened previously as well(unrelated to dislikes) and usually the comment removal is within a minute and mostly instant.", "Stopped watching tv as a kid because 2 min shows 10 min of ads, repeat. Wasnt worth my time as a kid.", "For perspective, how old are you and how many countries have you been to?", "Dude, buy that friend something nice", "WHAT THE FUCK YOUTUBE", ">Why does advertising have to ruin everything...\n>\n>Could they just try not sucking so much ass\n\nDon't think it's advertising. My money is on the Democrats being butthurt about every video from The Whitehouse being ratio'd to hell. Doesn't look good for the most popular president in history (81 million votes).", "Hah, I just disabled youtube, installed odysse from chrome (as a shortcut) and now I ~don't even watch youtube/odysee.😂 Gotta say that I probably gained like ~1-2hours per day.😅", "That's all you got? Really? Weak. About as piss weak as your argument", "Everyone except the people who are too busy running their business instead of monitoring web traffic. They'll just get eviscerated online by their competitors", "Good thing I'm not a creator", "I think maybe the worst part is that support email wasn’t even replying about his comments, they misconstrued the issue - intentionally or not - to mean comments on his videos. Either way, lazy support or malicious intent.", "I haven't updated my app yet. Can still dislike but of course it's hidden. Anyways a personal satisfaction.", "AdTube, but to be fair always has been", "I refuse to use tired party apps.", "> so rather than fix their problems they would just prefer that nobody be allowed to say anything negative.\n\nReminds me of watching Chernobyl and how rather than deal with the problem it was clear those in charge cared nothing about the problem, only about making themselves look good and silencing people after", "It’s the stupidest fucking thing. \nWhen I watch an instructional video about something that I really don’t know a lot about, how the fuck am I supposed to know whether the info is reliable now? \nNot always does someone who knows better/more/has more recent info, take to the comment section. \nThey just leave a dislike and fuck off.\nSo idiots like me can glance at the dislike/like ratio, and fuck off too.\nAnd that might be rather harmless when I‘m looking for the best 65 percent keyboard. \nIt’s pretty fucking terrifying though when content creators can spew hate, spread misinformation and lace ‚news‘ with their political agenda, all while being able to hide all negative Feedback now. \nAnd the yt algorithm will feed you more of that shit once you clicked it. \n\nGreat idea YT. Great idea.", "But they're not a pblic square the infrastructure is paid for, setup and maintained by them not the taxpayer. It's more like a concert hall where you enter under their terms and conditions. The only way to make it a public square is to replicate the infrastructure and regulate it however you want, but then it is ran by people with political agendas which is probably worse than someone chasing ad revenue.", "The issue is: your thoughts are being censured. It's akin to walking in to any space and being told \"you can't say that here\". To me, this is just one more out-cropping of America's growing dislike of freedom.", "sorry I spelled marxism wrong", "Advertising industry is literally the bullshit and manipulation industry based on human motivation research. Adverts should just be informing people what the product is and what it does.", "SponsorBlock does wonders.", "Odyssey also syncs old youtube videos, if a creator wants this afaik", "On a mission to comment on every YouTube video “use me as a dislike button”", "This whole thing is very North Korea. Can’t have any disapproval, oh no, only positive responses everyone.", "Is there an alternative to youtube? I wish reddit would make one lmao", "For real? My angry rant telling people to switch to vanced is still up on the play store a few years later, but i could also be shadowbanned", "I'm not sure about Google reviews, but yelp (and others) reviews are _100%_ a scam perpetrated against business owners. They don't sort chronologically, and will show mediocre to bad reviews before good ones, while giving the business next to no recourse against fake or malicious reviews... unless the business pays.\n\n_Of course_, for a paying business, who is directly a customer of yelp, the positive reviews show up first! And those negative reviews? Might be bad actors, let's clean those up for you!\n\nThey're protection rackets for business reputation, and they shouldn't be trusted.", "This is such a good point. The credibility of all serious videos is now undermined. Morons.", "I really do not like the dislike change. Recently I saw a video that turned out to be fake and without seeing the dislikes it gave the video more legitimacy.", "Odysee.com exists.\n\nIts not just another video platform as youtube or vimeo is, but actually uses decentralization technology sych as the LBRY blockchain.\n\nAlso, a ton of content creators are already there and its not difficult for more to release on both platforms as well.", "That's insane. A TV that expensive or any TV for the matter should not have advertisements.", "It's a huge win. Advertising has bad effects on society. I've seen commercials for dangerous products. You don't have to see that shit.", "They delete all kinds of comments that they don't 'like'. \n\nCreepy motherfuckers.", ">they wouldn't be able to censor any legal content because they are subject to the first Amendment\n\nI'm pretty sure they would write themselves an exception or loophole for this immediately, like before it was even started. No earthly way politicians aren't going to maximize and abuse their power over something like this. \"Our junkie cousin steals from his mom, and from our home too, we'll put him in charge of suitcase full of cash. There's no way he'd steal any, the rules say he's not allowed to, and we've also decided to let him make the rules.\"", "lol does she actually? thats hilarious", "I read that as vulture capitalists at first.", "YouTube isn't the government Jesus Christ you people are insane", "Everyone should install YouTube Vanced and take their ad money away", "I love YouTube. You guys are too harsh. I love the creative and innovative ads. And the other ads. And the premium prompts. And the ads. And the premium prompts. Then they took away the dislikes, which is awesome cuz no negativity. \n\nI also love the ads and the fact that premium is only just under the price of my monthly mortgage. \n\nNow you don’t even need tik tok because YouTube shorts is really revolutionary! Never been done before, except tik tok.\n\nAds. \n\nYouTube has lost their goddamn mind.", "It's youtube shadow-ban system. Google it and you'll find thousands of people complaining.", "any recommendations for youtube alternatives?", "what's a short?", "Go further back to geocities", "Yeah, in Germany speech is very limited. You can’t insult people, it Carrie’s a hefty fine and jail sentence.", "I didn't believe Google would do something this low, so I tried to write a 1-star review for Youtube on Google Play. It immediately got taken down twice. On the third time I posted it the review stayed up. This is very concerning", "Been Themtube since they bought it. It hasn't been YouTube for a very long time.", "r/HailCorporate", "Youtube has resorted to censoring the words \"elf\" and \"goblin\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDystopian censorship nightmare , we were supposed to progress as humans and we are going backwards again", "This is some Chinese government level censorship. Pretty soon people are going to start disappearing.", "We need better class of video platform.", "That may be all you see, but that is not all that is there.", "Just wait for the Youtube Rewind to come...", "What isn't?", "Very true. People who work in marketing know the amount of support you get when you spend $0 to a few grand per month on advertising on Facebook and Google. All the support goes to businesses spending at least 5 figures and up per month.\n\nEven free stuff like Google My Business pulls stuff like this. I’ve been trying to update my client’s business address for months. We had the official letterhead for an address change come in the mail months ago, and they’re still showing the old address.", "Maybe a Chrome / Safari extension linked to a site like that, where it’ll automatically display a like / dislike ratio. 🤔", "Well... If you tube has rewind button now is the time to press it.", "If they cared about our opinion, they'd listen.", "You are right. 10 years ago, before deleting Facebook, I recall they changed something about the like button that had everyone up in arms and devastated. The anger dissipated in 2 months.", "I wouldn't say that he's pro-corporation either, but he's not a democrat. He's an independent. He just caucuses with the democrats.", "Hold on, you drink Schweppes Zero Sugar Ginger Ale while browsing reddit.com as well? Small world!\n\nMy favorite Schweppes cocktail is ice, amaretto, sour mix, orange juice and Schweppes Zero Sugar Ginger Ale with a cherry garnish!\n\nAnd you're right. If it's not Schweppes, you're not doin it right. Please drink responsibly.", "I agree with this statement, It's the platform of advertisement.", "My negative review on the playstore youtube app regarding the removal of dislike counts is still not removed", "There are plenty of written tutorials on the internet. Not that easy to find the good ones nowdays, but it's there.", "Odysee is pretty good", "Ratings will have to develop some kind of Orwellian newspeak. \"5/5 doubleplus ungood restaurant.\"", "And why would they pay someone to develop an algorithm to just switch up the words from your comments to synonyms?\n\nIt takes months and usually an entire team of software engineers (who are paid $100K+ a year) to develop, test, deploy, and maintain algorithms like that. This one would need to understand what is being said in order to change the tone of it in a subtle way without changing the meaning. Not to mention the pre-research that needs to be done to determine what words evoke what moods/behaviors to test if they get the results they're looking for (they wouldn't just pick a random synonym).\n\nIf YouTube was really at that stage of machine learning development Google Assistant would be much better than it is now. It'd be basically a human in terms of speech comprehension and synthetization.\n\nOverall it's even less likely that it's an algorithm doing it than some random outsourced drone, but neither make sense in the first place. Have you considered consulting a psychologist about these beliefs?", "Fucking clowns", "They changed their motto from \"Don't be evil\" to \"Don't be less profitable than last year\"", "I don't need YouTube if I can't trust the information through crowd voting.", "its still the site for videos \n\n\nlet me know another platform where videos can be uploaded in any amount as often as you want and isnt like basically harboring openly nazi people.", "there's an extension called \"return youtube dislike\" for anyone interested", "Newpipe for on mobile.", "Well you bought it didn't you? That's exactly why they keep getting away with it.", "Isn’t it exciting that you can have a social credit score without a totalitarian government, you just need a corporation with a monopoly on life.", "Without a viable alternative I think people would have to be much unhappier than they are now. I feel this already dying down. The problem is right now YouTube has a gigantic monopoly, it's not just that all creators are on there, but any creator leaving will eliminate all but a fraction of their audience. You would need a coordinated move with creators just won't agree on. And wherever you move to, would likely go the same way as YouTube before long because the whole reason YouTube is doing this is profit motive which will be the same for any competitor. I don't see a path forward unfortunately. The only way forward I could see is political if we break up big tech companies, buy I don't see that happening either as politics is bought too", "They have been autodeleting comments for a very long time, usually by keyword. I remember trying to leave a comment about how good his youtube stream had been, but having the word stream in the comment was a no go. I left the comment a few time but it kept getting removed. When I left the same comment without the word stream, it stayed up.", "Yep. Commentary on the internet is definitely under attack. Remember when every website news article had a user comment section below it? Not anymore. No public discourse allowed these days.", "Elftube gonna Elf", "Uh, no. You think we did all that back in 2001? Smarterchild was alien technology.", "Just stop clicking the \"LIKE\" button. I never click on any of those \"like\" bullshit tracking buttons.", "Allowing More Money influence: is it accurate to say that removing the dislike button caters more to big money production and content creators that are willing to spend more to promote their videos?\n\n\nI don't follow this much, but I imagine this would disproportionately benefit bigger companies that can just spend more making their videos visible. For instance, if i saw 80000 likes and 46000 dislikes, versus 2300 likes and 7 dislikes, I'm going to watch the second. But if all i see is 80,000 v. 2300 likes, I'm probably watching the first", "They can get away with it because of lack of competition. They've cornered the market and now they're squeezing hard. Break up big tech companies, regulate them as public spaces otherwise this is going to get worse and worse and worse", "We're literally all the main characters of our own lives. I don't know what this meme is supposed to imply.", "And sponsors coups in developing countries to this day", "I didn't say a better product. I said \"by respecting users more\" and those are two VEEERY different things. I can make a more addictive pay to play game and beat out the current best but that doesn't mean I'm respecting users and their rights more.\n\n>Linux offered a better (and cheaper) server platform than windows.\n\nThis is the only one in your list I can see that respects users and rights more, but this hasn't beaten or replaced windows. Windows is still on pretty much every consumer laptop, work laptop and PC gaming computer. The only place where it's beaten windows is highly tech savvy areas like servers and high performance computing. If you listen to Linus talk about it, he lists the ways that Linux is inferior to windows and why it hasn't dominated the consumer market.\n\nEDIT: Didn't realize you specified \"server platform\". That's fine, but I don't think windows ever had this market. Certainly not a monopoly\n\n>The key to disruption is being better and I believe odysee (really, LBRY the open protocol that underpins it) is better.\n\nI'll check it out. I don't know much about it, but I'll take a gander", "I don't mind it with some people, like I Like To Make Stuff. He does his spiel in a voiceover build montage, and has a bar letting you know how long the pitch is. Takes the time to make the ad as unobtrusive as possible. \n\nIf YouTube is your sole income, you're gonna need those sponsors to pay the bills.", "Susan head of the ministry of propaganda. Should have the company changed from platform to publisher.", "Moral of the story: don't trust reviews. Any major platform already has a gamed system. People are paid to write positive reviews. Negative ones removed. Fake photos posted. \n\nHappens everywhere. Amazon, Google, Apple Store, Yelp etc.\n\nThere's no escaping it. It's all fake most of the time.", "Every website does this, I don’t think this is some new, insidious plot.", "Went back to check my negative review and you're right, it's gone.", "I love this brave new world we're living in; where all the people I knew who once fought against censorship are so fucking exhausted from all the bullshit that these big tech companies just get away with it now.", "Our free speech is being taken away slowly & surely", "Videos are not like pictures. Videos take time to consume. When I click on a video it's because the title suggests it contains the content I was searching for. \n\nHowever without the dislike ratio there's no way of immediately validating it. People don't have time to read the comments before making their mind up. Most people don't write comments and bad ones can be deleted by the video producer. \n\nThe end result of all this is people taking less chances on a new channel because they can't validate if it's misinformation. Small content producers get hit the most. Because less people will take a chance to consumer their 30min video.\n\nIn the past these smaller producers had cult followings and 99% of the time had great like to dislike ratios so if you stumbled upon it you thought \"hey all the people liked this why not give it a go\" and BANG you've found a new hobby. \n\nNow it's going to be a wild west of misinformation, clickbait, jumpscare videos, Rick Rolls and generally just a complete lack of accountability on content producers who no longer will be publicly shamed for harmful content. \n\nThis is a sad day for YouTube.", "No, I'm just going to no longer go there for that type of content.", "Yes blame the people sick of ads instead of the actual advertisers for getting more ads.", "Not only DOES Amazon remove reviews that aren't 5 stars, they ban you from leaving reviews if you tell the truth about a terrible product.", "No kid. I lived in Germany before the fall of the wall and hardcore fuck you for even pretending.", "Remember: Downvote EVERY video you watch no matter how much you like the creator. This is bigger than any one guy now. We have to muck up their algorithm. It is our last resort. Leave a comment that says something like #dislikeallvideos or something.", "I would like to see an addon that measures the video's \"health\" based on likes to views ratio. Videos that don't get 10% likes is below average, videos above 10% are generally good videos. Seems doable.", "This is how it already is, same with Amazon", "The uploader has a fair bit of control on what gets auto deleted or held for moderation.", "\\+ SponsorBlock...\n\nI saw a video the other day and a solid 1/3 was the sponsor segment. At that point, it's basically an ad with some content sprinkled in", "Cryptotube Web 3.0 I’m waiting", "This is not the case because the video uploader is the only one who still sees the dislikes", "Just went to this site for the first time and checked my main account. It's unreal how many comments were deleted without telling me. Wow.", "If you go to the play store right now and look at reviews you'll find all recent one star reviews to be because of dislikes.\n\nSo reviews like that aren't being deleted. What was the content of your review?", "Google/Alphabet/Youtube can do whatever the hell they like because you idiots continue to view their website. You voice means nothing, your views mean everything.", "Just check reviews. You'll see that not to be true. 1 star reviews for places are everywhere on Google. Seriously، test this right now۔ I just googled restaurants and car service shops near me and every single one has reviews of all types.\n\nSituations like OP is describing always seem suspicious. There's a good chance the review wasn't just \"This place did me wrong and here's why\" but more like \"these mother fucking shitheads should be lined up and shot\"", "Ever since 4channel this is no longer the case.", "Youtube would never!", "Miss me with that furry shit.", "YouTube sucks anyway. I doubt that it will be used much in the coming years, except to exchange family photos.", "I typed: how to get dislike back on Youtube, and within a minute I had the dislike function back. Still sucks big time they did this shit, but was hella easy to get back.", "I discovered running ads on Facebook I can hide any comment I want for any reason, which I found a bit alarming and eye opening. I'm sure YouTube will follow.", "I dislike that.", "What the fuck is this thread?\nAm I just... tired or is this completely nonsensical the whole way through?", "Please, please people; at least mirror your videos to [odysee](https://odysee.com), or use it to replace themtube if the channels you follow are on there", "Why tf does everything have to be 'crypto' related? Immediately makes me click off and never visit again, I hate the way people are touting this bullshit. Same for brave, fuck that app to the moon.", "userbenchmark hasnt been forgotten. Make a post on a tech sub and there will be a thread in the comments about the amd hate and moving goalposts.", "How would a human being, let alone an automatic detection system, distinguish between something being \"dislike bombed\" and something everyone legitimately hates? What even is \"dislike bombing\" other than a ton of people hating something and expressing that fact?", "There already is a Firefox add-on to make downvotes visible again btw. It is using the Google API so unless they completely remove downvotes it probably can't be broken.", "At least you're thinking about it. That's a huge step. It sucks seeing your heros turn villains.\n\nI encourage you to focus on your career first and if you have to go to big N to gain some muscles (better cv, making a name for yourself in the industry and gaining valuable experience) go for it.\n\nIn your next job you'd have less pressure and you might be able to \"afford\" contributing to a company that has a more positive effect on our lives.\n\nBe strategic at first and idealist when you're strong.", "what a fucking delicious voice this guy has.", "And at Warhammer prices, it won't even take very long to cover the cost of the printer and supplies.", "Too many people were disliking political stuff that YouTube supports.", "I mean, its all ran on the internet if thats how you want to go about it.\n\nReally though, this is about too much control.\n\nThe harm to the public is too great.", "Local politics is some of the most corrupt shit there is, pound for pound so to say.", "here is a browser extension bringing it back; [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-dislike-button-co/mjnhacklcfliofhdgnkemmkioinkhcnk](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/youtube-dislike-button-co/mjnhacklcfliofhdgnkemmkioinkhcnk)", "[Here's a Chrome Extension to see Dislikes again. It's pretty neat :)](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)", "Just use the app manager button.", "Honestly the dislikes are more useful than the likes.", "Yeah, a \"boomer\" who was in high school when LG made smartphones. Do some basic math, clown.", "Youtube, say hi to [Odysee](https://odysee.com/)! Now, bye Youtube.", "I'm just surprised anyone looks at that stuff before the video starts. I won't click on it or look at it until the end, if at all.", "To preface this, I don't like crypto. What you said is just ignorance on your part. Crypto is a tool. You getting burned by fire is not because fire is evil.", "I've tried throwing dollars at my screen, it doesn't work.", "I’m genuinely curious how this is a huge problem for anyone.", "That only worked because of the limited length and resolution of the videos then. Now, YouTube is sending out 4k60f videos that are hours long. No one else can remotely match that, because no one else has/can afford the storage for it.", "What we need more than anything is a decentralized internet, and all that goes with it.", "It's that when Google took over and they cut my revenue by 90%.", "Every one of those was in a time when the internet was still a \"wild west\" sort of space, when things were changing rapidly because no one had settled on best design practices or business models yet. Now they have, and this is it. Best for them, at least. YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, Google, Wikipedia, Amazon, Steam, the internet runs on those, and they're so big and control so much, they can minimize the impact of nearly any competitor. Hell, Google has stopped Amazon from competing it their phone space, simply by denying them access to the Play Store.", "> nd abusive moderation would lead to loss of stake.\n\nSo what does that even mean... who decides in a distributed system?\n\nFor example, in democratic voting system it's generally illegal to buy votes, an authority system that tends to be armed to the teeth enforces this. The system you talk about tends to work more like Reddit mods. Most would gladly be paid off to enforce the content decision of your choice. The 'legitimate' users of the system in general do not have a such a powerful motivator as continued income and are pushed off the platform. \n\nIf you have any examples of large and generally available to the public (aka, my and your mom), please, I'd love to read more about them, but I feel that the success of these platforms is more akin to the less spammy internet before Eternal September hit.", "Advertising is becoming seriously over the top, it's becoming absolutely obnoxious.\n\nSeeing that in the US you can't even have a quiet moment to think while filling up your car with petrol without the pump blaring ads at you was the final straw for me. It really has become out of control and I fully expect to see space/sky billboards ruining the only empty spaces left within my lifetime.", "Tay committed a blitzkrieg against them.", "Bullshit.\n\nJust because your laws say that is the case doesn't mean it's true in practice. Your country regularly jails and assassinates dissidents.", "Do people not realise how ignorant it makes them look when they can't even understand the basic points of other ideologies?\n\nLike I'm not a neo-liberal or an anarchist, but I can at least understand what each ideology represents and what the arguments are for each. Why is it that when it comes to talking about Marxism/Socialism/Communism people just completely shut down and start repeating buzzwords?", "YouTube has been destroying their community for years", "The fuck are you on about?\n\n[People have been jailed for 44 months](https://theintercept.com/2021/10/16/daniel-baker-anarchist-capitol-riot/) simply for talking about the need for armed defense against potential future repeats of Jan 6th.\n\nYour country will literally jail you longer for being left-wing and talking about defending yourself than it will for being right-wing and engaging in a coup.", "> but you would have to spend quite a bit of money on policing.\n\nI think people outside of the tech world that have worked in the trenches so to speak just cannot comprehend the amount of garbage that gets posted. And by garbage, I mean outright spam, criminal activity, illegal porn, and things along that line.\n\nIn the world of SMTP servers you can see rates of 100 blocked spam messages to one legitimate message. Behind the input acceptor on all these servers is a myriad of complex algorithms attempting to outright stop posts. Then on top that there are automoderators stopping posts. Then on top that there are individuals stopping posts. Those individuals are subjected to acts that could be considered war crimes (see Facebook moderator PTSD). This isn't even considering more advanced forms of fraud such as stock and bitcoin manipulations that are common on social platforms. The arms race here is rather terrifying. \n\n>it would take years ro become profitable.\n\nActually, I don't believe it can. This is where we fucked up a long time ago. Google owning the content networks and the ad networks was a mistake of monumental size. We have allowed them to define and control profitability on the internet.", "> ouldn't be that difficult.\n\nOh dear.... The difficulty and expense would be beyond comparison. God only knows how many petabytes of data youtube is sitting on at this point. Google has hired an army of data scientists to ensure that this works at scale.", "\\#3 is the main reason I am glad they removed it.\n\nEveryone on this planet disliking videos that companies put out simply because they want to maraud their decision is unacceptable. Disgusting really.\n\nI think the dislike button is a function of how much unhappiness there is in the world, and no where is it more clear than in that situation.\n\nIf you dislike a company's practices so much, stop giving them money. That is a much more tangible way to get them to change.\n\nSpam disliking every one of their videos for the rest of time is just a demonstration of how unhealthy some people's mindset is.\n\nThere may be some side effects of them removing the dislike being viewable, but its for the best. This train of negativity that follows everyone everywhere needs to be addressed, and it has no business impacting creators on youtube.\n\nSeeing a high ratio of dislikes impacts a fresh viewer substantially, and a LOT of times they are there for an entirely arbitrary reason, or a reason unrelated to the video itself.\n\nPerhaps they need to expand upon the way you can report a misleading or dangerous video, but past that, I see no reason for the dislike feature to be there commensurate to what I have seen of its abuses.", ">short\n\nShorts are short up to 30 seconds, usually vertical videos that YouTube introduced as their response for TikToks. It didn't gain much of popularity but the almighty algorithm tends to promote youtubers that use it.", "Less control given to the users.", "None of those are websites, for one thing. I’m a software engineer, I love open source software. But every business is trying to manipulate their users into producing income.", "What I meant is that people were complaining about these changes but ultimately they accepted what they got.", "Yeah but it is advertised as something \"NEW! EXCITING! GROUND BREAKING! PROGRESSIVE!\". They clearly don't give a shit about what users think about it.", "Not sure if she is ex because you showed it to her or because she was torturing you. Either way it is win-win. xD", "Yup. And that's part of the problem. Monopolist will monopolize.", "[gcemetery.co](https://gcemetery.co)", "Because instead of returning the overpriced ad box. They spent even more money to work around it. Any sane person should be returning that scam.", "They abandoned rewind. https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/7/22714550/youtube-rewind-canceled-controversy-creators-annual-recap", "All my negative comments on anything ever were shadown deleted,lmao. \nReddit: you will be positive, look how positive our comunity is, all so happy and nice!(keeps silencing all dissenting voices)", "censorship is usually defined as political/by the government.", ">If YouTube was really at that stage of machine learning development Google Assistant would be much better than it is now. It'd be basically a human in terms of speech comprehension and synthetization.\n\nReplacing words with synonyms is something you can do on your home computer or for free online. It is really not that hard. [https://www.paraphrase-online.com](https://www.paraphrase-online.com)\n\nI didn't consult a psychologist about these \"beliefs\". I did talk about it with friends of mine that work in hardware engineering and software development. \nThe fact that I maybe am the first person that noticed this happening doesn't mean I am not right. I used to be pretty avid user of social tools around YouTube and I just happened to notice these changes. Tbh I did think that it is some common knowledge that yt is manipulating comments so I just opted-out from that platform as much as I could.", "it is a topic pretty broadly discussed online. i remember one article, I think it was this one - [https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/07/youtubes-recommender-ai-still-a-horrorshow-finds-major-crowdsourced-study](https://techcrunch.com/2021/07/07/youtubes-recommender-ai-still-a-horrorshow-finds-major-crowdsourced-study)", "The reason I say it wouldn't be that difficult is Twitch has the capability already and they do it for a lot of streamers, it's just not something available to new streamers which is the only fix they'd need to make.\n\nDon't forget Twitch is backed by Amazon, so no shortage of cash there either.", "I had comments removed that weren't even negative, most of them say unknown if we moved by bot or mod, what the hell?", "You're a boomer because you spent $1000 on a phone and you probably only use it to call and text. Boomer.", "Same! It looks like any comment where I even attempt to say \"fu ck\" gets immediately removed from most subs. Also I saw plenty of negative comments there, negative opinions apparently aren't accepted by some subs at all.", "Mine has been on this entire time. If they want money from me, they can already have it from subscriptions etc. Ads are dead.", "Amazon already does this, you can bet on it.", "You don't wanna talk about the issue you just wanna live in your conspiratorial fantasy where you're the bastion of truth and reality and everyone else is a sheep because they think you're crazy.", "\n>I'm also not the type of person to cry \"1984!\" at all, but as a IT professional stuff like this is starting to scare me.\n\nI'm that type of person, and honestly we've been seeing this trend for 10+ years now. This is just what will happen unless governments step in and specifically rule in favor of internet freedom and online rights, something that is at this point in time not going to happen due to half the crowd making noise for this change being actually just fascists pissed at the few tame attempts made to ban them from producing hatespeech. People who are genuinely concerned about online freedom of speech going the way of the dodo are going to find themselves mixed in with the kind of crowd they are also fighting against at the same time.", "YouTube is not banning creators because they don't like the change, that would be asinine. Use your brain for 2 fucking seconds before posting.", "There's advertisements on YouTube? AdblockPlus and Ghostery Firefox plugin ftw!", "I think anyone with braincells knows why this is a stupid idea.", "His voice is the ideal sounds for complaints.", "You remember the insurrection on Jan 6th? And you think people won't just forget about dislikes being removed from YouTube...", "Right, but the issue is ascribing a specific motive to the shadowban.\n\nIt's like if I went all over reddit spamming the same sentence over and over, then when I got shadowbanned, claimed reddit banned me because I'm muslim. To be able to prove that, I'd need to take a uniform and large sample of people who were shadowbanned, and show that a statistically significant number of them were muslim.", "So you... Want creators to give up almost all of their viewers and stop making content... Because you're upset there's no where for them to go?", "I have Vanced on mobile", "To be fair. I can understand it for newswebsites. Back in the day you also wouldn't be able to comment under a newspaper. Also, we really don't need peoples opinions underneath newsarticles. There are different avenues for public discourse in that regard. In YouTube's case it's different. Youtube and comments go hand in hand. It was baked into it.", "What? I never said anything as specific as you just said. I don't have a definitive solution to that problem. I am just calling out the problems that there are to be resolved.\n\nI want to tell people what to do?! Where did you even get that idea from?", "Big corps disabling likes and dislikes is already a sign that the video itself is controversial, so doing the doesn't exactly make them look good in the first place. Removing the dislike counter all together will now prevent users from knowing within seconds if the video is well received or not. YouTube's biggest concern is getting approval from the big corps as that's how they make money, it's just that simple.\n\nSo no, it's not really more nuanced than it seems lol", "There is a browser extension to re-add them. \n\n\nI agree its absurd they removed them. Makes sense though. Easier to propagandize with them gone.", "Then up pops a site because muh free market. It gets popular because google is fake and everyone knows it. Google buys it out and everything is well again. Rinse repeat until mask off time.", "You're saying they should leave YouTube. They leave YouTube they can't pay bills they stop creating content because they have lives.\n\nThat's just what you said but the implied part out loud.", "Racking my brain, this was one of the two answers I could come up with. Either corporations, or to not discourage fledgling creators, but fledgling creators are net negative (won’t be generating ad revenue, consumes bandwidth, doesn’t have to pay), whereas larger corporations feed money into the system.", "I was just legitimately wondering why people are upset about it. \n\nIt seems like something silly to care about", "Okay.\n\nHas your question not been answered?", "Thanks for explaining that in detail. Very interesting.", "It was baked into most news sites to start with too. Point I'm making is that they added comments then decided to remove them. TV and newspapers never had the function so there is an excuse not to have any of that discourse. Removing comments from a site that already had them is just purely for maintaining their message and being the only ones who can speak.", "There's also the reality of detractors, bots, institutions with hidden agendas that want to influence the news etc. That's also a real problem. I was never a supporter for newswebsites to have comments. It adds nothing. Also, you never could give direct feedback to the news any way. If you want to share your opinion you have other places online to do so. I think its better to have places like Reddit where you can have a lengthy discussion. Not that a Reddit discussion is often constructive anyway. There are still enough outlets for online discussions though. \n\nPeople shouldn't be silenced, but I also don't believe that internet discussions are really that constructive towards anything. I don't care about newswebsites not having comment sections, but I don't have a big problem of those comments being posted elsewhere. Even if I don't really see the value in that. I also don't think YT comments carry much value, but I do believe in that case that it's silly to remove them because of how ingrained it is. I also do believe that YT comments should be moderated properly. But I won't support it if it's done with the wrong motivations. It's not a black or white situation for me.", "I have em and barely watch much on em. I only borrow disney + when there is a specific show to watch. Browsing on disney + isnt great. \n\nNot much reason to have hulu right now. The latest season letterkenny I couldn't make it through more than an episode. the first 6 seasons were great.", "I was brainstorming the system around the idea of [Kleros](https://kleros.io/).\n\nI don't have much information as to the success of their system, but I read quite a bit about it months ago.\n\nIt's definitely not perfect, but it provides a structure of incentives that encourage authentic votes within a semi-jury system.\n\nOne major issue I remember seeing, is that if you vote against the majority, you are penalized. So \"jurors\" may be pressured to vote based on majority politics, rather than what is best for the system.\n\nAgain, I'm not building this myself, but I do believe there is a way to set up a fair moderation scheme that works. Yes, it would be similar to Reddit, but with incentives to moderate fairly.", ">Replacing words with synonyms is something you can do on your home computer or for free online. It is really not that hard. [https://www.paraphrase-online.com](https://www.paraphrase-online.com)\n\nAnd as explained, simply randomly replacing words with synonyms at random will not get you any meaningful data, you *need* theory and a design that leverages that, otherwise you may as well play with an \"algorithm\" that just deletes every 5th word and just see what happens since that's essentially what you'd be doing with the synonyms one anyways.\n\nNo company will make the decision to greenlight a project that's a big, controversial (if it gets found out) change just for the heck of it.\n\n>I didn't consult a psychologist about these \"beliefs\".\n\nHonestly, I don't mean it as an insult. If you truly believe this is happening you may truly want to consult a psychologist.\n\nA belief that has made you so paranoid that you've stopped engaging with something you used to before (and I assume you enjoyed). Sure, YouTube's not an essential part of life so it's not like it's had a massive effect, but you're proper modifying your behavior over this belief. That's something worth looking into.", "YouTube is insanely sabotaging their own brand, that's apparent.\n\nBut the probable scenario depicted in this video is some lazy and incompetent automod scripting. He left a message with an obvious keyword, and tripping a flag that now deletes all his comments. \n\nThen it went to a clueless lowest common denominator help desk person who likely has zero training on how that censorship script works. \n\nThis specific bug is probably more just standard corporate ineptitude than specifically tied to their dysfunctional dislike decision.", "That's a weird take. Prisoners have been dying at quite a high rate at the local jail where I am, and nothing is being done. One guy was beaten to death by guards, and nothing has been done yet. Just because you've heard that some Canadian prison or jail is a cakewalk doesn't mean it's somewhere you'd want to actually spend time.", "Yet you are ok with putting in the hands of politicians", "What the hell even\n\nIt's not as simple as not giving them money. In the case of nintendo, they're the ONLY source of the retro games that you can only get from them for EIGHTY DOLLARS. And that's not a one time payment, that's a *subscription. You're deadass telling me that having a way to tell that corporation that that's a terrible idea. If you want to play those games, you have no choice but to pay those ridiculous prices. PLEASE lie to me right now and tell me that's a good thing. I didn't even read the rest of it cause that first point just knocks me on my ass.", "Why the fuck did you have YouTube premium anyways?", "what", "Dude get the Google job. The money is well worth any minor \"ethical\" gripe you may have.", "Pay more for apple for less stuff omegalul", "Like I get that they have to make money, but this “superior medium” is no better than traditional TV when they have 3 commercial breaks in a 10 minute video. It’s insane.", "Can you at least try?", "Yeah, I still buy form eBay, but I've completely stopped selling there, and I used to sell a few dozen decent items each year. They've just made it intolerable for anybody but giant sellers with their \"customer is always right even if you can prove he's not\" and the exorbitant fees.\n\nHad a ton more luck with Craigslist, even though they're a super shady company.\n\nBut I wish somebody would come up with some competition for eBay.", "I was going to say surely you understand the difference between forced not to alter public opinion and altering public opinion, but obviously that somehow isnt the case.", "Well, you are exactly the type of person that I knew would be upset about this change, so not much to talk about.\n\nHave fun trying to make your stand against the big bad evil corporations of the entertainment world!", "What makes you think you're worth anything more than mediocre?", "This isn’t my area per se, but eBay now processes payments directly which may help a lot in situations where a dispute occurs. Before, this was much more difficult since PayPal would typically side with the customer and it was out of the company’s hands. Now I think they have much more control over the dispute resolution process AFAIK.\n\nhttps://pages.ebay.com/seller-center/service-and-payments/managed-payments-on-ebay.html", "Because I block all ads on all my devices, and I wanted content creators to earn money for their hard work. It was a moral thing.\n\nAnd I feel conflicted even now, but .. in the end it'll harm the platform (and content creators) far more if Google is allowed to do what they're doing without immediate consequences. I just can't sanction their behavior. They need this signal from (former) premium subscribers.", "You mean like when Reddit did it and the userbase revolted until absolutely nothing changed?", "Sadly this is the way it will be", ">I wish my android phone would allow me to uninstall the app\n\nIt's no coincidence that it doesn't, heh. I and many others are pushing for right-to-repair legislation that specifically makes it illegal manufacture or import-for-resale any device in Canada with a non-unlockable bootloader, anti-rooting provisions, or anything with e-fuses, signed hardware, non-replaceable wear items, etc. We'll get there one day.", "You can still kinda see it. Some comments will be hidden, or you sort comments by 'controversial'.", "I've never suggested I was, only that I'm better than your shitty logic. So whatever you might think of me, remember what that means in regard to the way you think.", "You haven't provided any \"logic\". Just unwarranted insults. You claimed I was attacking the person I was conversing with, when it is quite obvious if you actually read any of my comments that isnt the case. Whaterver man. Go off. I wont be here to see your tantrum.", "Won't even let me make a review", "I didn't say I did use any logic, I only insulted your shitty logic. So what you can't think or* read now? And yes, you did insult them, you implied the only reason they want a dislike button is to dislike spam a video. That's an insult.\n\nIt's not nice when people insult you is it?", "sure", "They don't have the awful music most of the time though.", "Bernie is a democrat", "\"you're overthinking it\" then proceeds to write a far more complicated response", "I think a probably big factor too is the fact that all of their patronizing 'COVID information' videos they are shoving in everybody's front page are almost universally disliked.", "I use plain ol' Adblock Plus and it blocks ads YouTube and Hulu just fine.", "Alternate reality: when this industrial business tried to move into my backyard but received a NIMBY vote 74% in opposition, the corrupt local politicians accepted a 6 digit bribe so they moved in anyways.\n\nNow I fight back with pedantic reviews!", "Interesting, will try it out!", "They don’t work when the video is the ad itself. This move was designed to protect big corporate, so that they can gaslight you on why it’s your fault that plastic pollution is so high, or why they have no other choice but to use child slave labour in their manufacturing process all without criticism. YouTube for the individual, whose motto was ‘broadcast yourself,’ is now a long cold corpse.", "Bernie's an independent: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders", "Desktop version of /u/TimeFourChanges's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Bernie_Sanders>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "The OP's post requires youtube to give a fuck about corporations that use their platform. Simple self interest IS a lot simpler.", "yeah but he is clearly leftist which democrats represent, just didn’t want this “both sides are anti-worker” stuff to let disgusting republicans attack working class families and cut the 1%’s taxes.", "Please don’t let this be something swept under the rug though. When five stars was removed, I was upset. But the ratio between like and dislike provided a clear cut idea of whether or not the video was worthwhile. It ended up being an instant way of seeing a good summary of the viewership’s reaction. I really don’t think that i’ll forget if Youtube never puts it back.", "use uBlock Origin, works perfectly", "uBlock Origin blocks Hulu ads with no wait, for me", "That wasn't even me you were replying to, that was someone else. If you want to talk shit, learn how to use the internet first scrub", ">Vimeo doesn't want the YouTube userbase. That isn't their target demo.\n>\n\nThere was one user that uploaded content to vimeo, and was extremely popular. So popular, that Vimeo told him to start paying a monthly subscription of hundreds or thousands of dollars a month to keep posting videos. \n\nSo the user started posting his videos to pornhub.\n\nVimeo is on a completely different business model from YouTube.", "How-to videos are a big part of youtube, but its a somewhat distinct example where i think your reasoning does indeed make some sense. What about all the other content people watch though? Does it apply equally to people just watching their favorite vloggers, etc? As a universally applied principle, it can be described as \"Give people more of what they don't want, so that they stick around longer searching for what they DO want, and make money off presumably equally spaced and lengthed ads per time watched.\" To me, that seems counterintuitive, especially in the social media era and considering theyre not technically a \"trapped\" audience and easily able to jump to another video, even in the middle of an ad. The only way this makes sense is if Youtube is running out of content and forcing people to earn the good stuff, but in that case, why not just increase the allocated ad time on the good content instead of forcing bad content with the usual ad time ratio?", "I could be wrong, but from what little I heard I'm pretty sure he got around it by just renaming it from 'Starfox' to 'A Fox In Space' and saying it's just based on the original series. Knowing Nintendo I'm shocked if that was enough, but that's what I read. That said, plain as day he's been posting sneak peeks at episode 2 for a while now so clearly whatever the problem was got circumvented.", "That… no, that doesn’t make a lick of sense, I’m sorry. Star Wars review bombers are lame, but YouTube would quietly deal with a video or two that had some major problems if something like that happened. Or add the option to turn dislikes off. \n\nThat sounded uncomfortably conspiratorial and insane sequel hater to me", "Disney being Disney.\n\nMakes sense to me, especially moving forward.", "Id be shocked if that was the case too, can't wait for ep.2!", "Nah, that makes absolutely 0 sense. Google is a far far bigger company than Disney, there’s no reason why they should care. They have very little bargaining power, pulling their products and ads from Google services would do them far more harm than it would do Google.", "I'm not sure what Google's size vs. Disney's has much to do with anything.\n\nDisney is arguably the biggest entertainment company in the world, and that's what YouTube cares about: content. \n\nIf they request for YouTube to make a change, I don't see why YouTube would balk. ESPECIALLY if they could try and trot out a limp excuse that it's for \"their own content creators' self-esteem.\"\n\nI'm not sure why you think that one of the biggest companies in the world scratching the back of another one of the biggest companies in the world (in order to strengthen that company's banner IP) is some sort of an outlandish statement.", "Google’s size is relevant because of the initial statement— “flexing their influence.” Disney does not have influence over Google, not in the same way that Google does over Disney. Disney is in many ways a rival for Google with Disney plus, and then proceeds to market those shows on youtube. If Disney pulled those trailers, they wouldn’t really have another comparable place to put them, and Google would lose very little as people just watched their favourite YouTubers or something. Disney has very little bargaining power here. \n\nIt’s an outlandish claim because not only does it conflict with the interests of one of the companies and the fact that Disney doesn’t have influence and control over Google, but it also just kind of comes out of nowhere? It’s a theory that seems to come from very little, have almost nothing to back it up, and be entirely based on the idea that either a) Disney has substantial influence over the biggest tech company of all time, which isn’t true, or b) that Google and Disney are just out here doing favours for one another. Google’s not going to go through the hard work of changing a complex system like this just for fun to help out a corporate pal, especially if they’re literally competing for people’s time and attention on their phones and in general, which they are. It’s like saying that Billie Eilish changed her hair to brunette so she wouldn’t draw sales away from fellow blonde Marilyn Monroe’s merchandise— it’s a claim that, while not disprovable, is based on absolute moon logic. It’s the bread and butter of a conspiracy, cause it takes a thousand times more words to explain why it’s stupid than it does to say that it’s true and that it’s weird to doubt it.", "So, you're saying that Google and Disney *do not* have a current ongoing advertisement partnership?", "What do you mean by “an advertising partnership”? Do you mean the money Disney pays to Google to advertise the ads before videos? That format of display that doesn’t display the dislike to like ratio anyway? Or do you mean the general viewing of trailers on YouTube, which generally don’t get review bombed and Disney makes advertising money off of by putting ads before them? Or do you mean the Google ad services that Disney uses to do non-video ads? Disney and google’s relationship is more complex than “Disney gives them a microscopic percentage of their money, therefore Disney has a say in large scale infrastructural changes to their platform.” You can’t see the dislikes and likes on an ad without clicking on it and going to where the video is hosted anyway, which can be a private page. Why the heck would Disney care so much when they already have entertainment culture by the balls and an army of fans defending anything they make?\n\nAnd, to answer directly: no. That’s not what I’m saying. And if you used your eyes to read you would know that.\n\nEdit: spelling and last paragraph", "> What do you mean by “an advertising partnership”?\n\nhttps://www.blog.google/products/admanager/disney-and-google-strategic-relationship/\n\nI really think that you're overthinking this, tbh.\n\nAnd, if you REALLY believe that Google's recent decision comes from a place of altruism, as they've claimed? I strongly disagree with that. So...obviously it's something else.", "But not restricted only to them", "Ok boomer", "Okay, bud.\n\nI really have no idea what you're saying, other than you refusing to entertain the notion that global companies will do each other solids.\n\n>Why the heck would Disney care so much when they already have entertainment culture by the balls and an army of fans defending anything they make?\n\nWhy would the biggest entertainment company in the world want to curb ANY negativity regarding their products?\n\nGee, I don't know.", "I don’t think that YouTube’s decisions came from altruism. They never do and it’s a shitty excuse. \n\nBut I think it’s super weird that you think one company has that level of influence, or that companies are out here doing one another a solid like they’re two bros at a pub and not two multi-billion dollar corporations who take months of time, planning, and financial incentives to act on anything.", "It's not like \"review-bombing\" is a new phenomenon, though. Star Wars products have been getting shit on for *years.* And Disney has endured *terrible* negative press just this year alone.\n\nAnd let's not forget that Disney-Plus' growth has recently hit the wall, relatively speaking.\n\n> But I think it’s super weird that you think one company has that level of influence, or that companies are out here doing one another a solid like they’re two bros at a pub and not two multi-billion dollar corporations who take months of time, planning, and financial incentives to act on anything.\n\nHonest question:\n\nDo you live in America?", "My weird example. Youtube will show you the date of a video, until you click on that video. Then the date is gone....but why?", "Yeah exactly. The fact that they are only leaving positive comments and those are getting removed too is a pretty clear sign that something is going awry technologically, not some overarching censorship trying to stop people from chatting about a video game.", "Ok come on reddit how does this get upvoted lol. Videos get taken down all the time for non-controversial reasons. Not every removal is automatically big tech flexing their power hungry muscles. Hell, the user could have deleted it themselves or maybe OP just inputted the wrong search string.", "You're an idiot if you pay for premium anyway. Ad block on your computer, vanced on your phone.", "\"talk about the issue\" if you're censoring then you don't get to claim to want to do anything but STOP people from talking about the issue.\n\nSorry, you support censorship and that invalidates your entire argument", "There is no proof this has been used to censor creators. And no, this is not proof because why would you censor someone but leave their comment that says the thing you are apparently trying to censor. Do you even use your brain? Why am I asking, you've already demonstrated the answer.", "You've stated that you support censorship.\n\nEverything else you say is moot.", "Do we know that for sure? There might be a distinction between creator-removed comments and comments that are automatically not remaining due to being banned or shadow-banned. I'd be interested to see someone leave a comment on a fellow creator's page, have that comment be removed by the creator, and see if their comment remains on their comment history page.", "I support private entities moderating their platforms as they see fit. If YouTube wants to ban people for disagreeing with their choices that is their prerogative and anyone who thinks that's wrong is welcome to use another platform. Too bad you don't have proof it's happening though.", "You're probably right, but my hot take is that there isn't actually a nefarious purpose to the removal, it's just youtube execs or engineers seeing people or companies so negatively affected by dislikes that they get tunnel vision and try to fix the \"problem\" instead of just letting it play out. My guess is they will actually return dislikes eventually due to the overwhelming feedback and pressure, though it might be several months.", "\"It's not happening and if it is it's a good thing\"\n\nYou remember which thread you're on right?\n\nYeah sure, YouTube is free to censor, and you're free to support censorship. If YouTube wants to ban content of trans people or Muslims or Jews or women or liberals or black people, or certain political parties they're free to do so.\n\nAnd you're free to be a spineless, immoral, evil shitlord and shrug your shoulders about it.", "You really like putting words in people mouths don't you.", "You really like taking them don't you", "great comeback, did Kim Kardashian teach you that one?", "Cute. Cause of the video. I get it", "That’s true, Star Wars stuff has been copping review bombing for ages. But removing dislikes doesn’t exactly stop comments sections or rotten tomatoes and the like from operating. \n\nNo, I do not live in America.", "\"We are sorry, but there was a technical problem saving your edited review. Try using a different browser, or being more positive!\"", "I agree my argument makes less sense for non-howto vids. I use tutorial videos constantly for both my job and at home for hobby stuff, so this change has had by far the biggest direct negative impact on me of any change YouTube has ever made.\n\nSomehow, this decision makes YouTube more money. I guess that's what it comes down to. The exact effect probably varies by category of video, but it's surely a net benefit monetarily for YouTube.", "Okay.\n\nWell, this sort of quid-pro-quo behavior doesn't seem like a foreign concept in businesses, at least in the US.\n\n> But removing dislikes doesn’t exactly stop comments sections or rotten tomatoes and the like from operating. \n\nThe goal isn't to stop it. The goal is to limit it, to whatever degree possible, in the effort to yield the best quarterly earnings possible.\n\nAgain: *this isn't my theory.* It's just what I've read. I honestly don't know/REALLY care, either way. But I'm clearly cynical enough to believe it.", "U mad, bro?", "nah they aren't. at this point there are many people dependent on YouTube, and even if they try other platforms the audience isn't there. that's the price people pay for using proprietary, centralized platforms. reddit is better in artificially handling these type of things though.", "Let's just be obviously sarcastic then", "Wrong. People are increasingly noticing that Google doesn't return answers anymore, just localized ads. And YouTube videos no longer give us solutions as often as it does sponsored stuff. \n\nWhere once there was a single video platform, now Twitter and insta and Facebook twitch and tiktok serve up videos. Racy stuff goes on onlyfans and CF and elsewhere. Reddit had their own fledgling video clip format that will only grow. \n\nWhere YouTube was once the one place to put your content, now there's other behemoths all bidding for it. Hulu, peacock, Netflix, apple, Facebook, Disney, Amazon, HBOMax. Oh, and along with those 8, there's also YouTube. It's no longer the one and only choice. When there's 8 other suitors, it's not a smart time to play hard to like.\n\nThey're simultaneously driving away content producers and viewers at the worst possible time in terms of available options. It's hardly at a fatal level yet. But it's swimming in the wrong direction at the wrong time.", "Uh, no. You're not an idiot for wanting to support content creators.\n\nOf course I adblock on all of my devices. That wasn't the point.", "Odysee", "those aren't the same as youtube. the most promising alternative is https://odysee.com, but the audience isn't there.", "> those aren't the same as youtube.\n\nExcept for the fact they are", "No, it's not. Unless steam doesn't care or verify the certs or uses http.\n\nYea, don't bank at that guy's house.", "If you want to support them, donate to them, don't contribute money to youtube", "[Stop posting amp links](https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/14/business/mastercard-visa-discover-pornhub/index.html)", ">Big corps disabling likes and dislikes is already a sign that the video itself is controversial\n\nNo... companies disable likes/dislikes because\n\n1. more often than not, the video is meant for embedding on another site\n2. they're not there to receive feedback\n\nBut sure, keep believing your little conspiracies", "Not everyone has a patreon account..\n\nAnyway, it's done. I cancelled my subscription. Point is moot.", "waiting for him to say:\n\nIt's me again, Mr. New Vegas, reminding you that you're nobody 'til somebody loves you. And that somebody is me. I love you.", "Google owns Yt, Google owns Android and anything related to the play store. It's crazy how they don't have a monopoly because they are broken down into smaller companies under a parent company but they complained about Apple when they were trying to grow lol", "I hear you can download Browser extension to still see dislikes\n\nUpdate yep found the extension works just like old YT \"Return Youtube Dislike\" works for chrome/fire fox i know atleast", "Well if you're paying for premium, you're not seeing ads, so you're supporting them less with premium", "Yes, but it's just the Google subsidiary that can't be evil.", "No, that's the whole point. A percentage of premium subscription fees are disbursed to content creators (when viewed by premium subscribers) in lieu of advertisement revenue. It's literally the only reason I subscribed to youtube premium, since I can't do ads.", "Lmao fuck you're dumb", "Imagine being that stupid.\n\nBecause no way the uploader deleted the crap video you liked.", "do you just see them as social media?", "I can listen to new bands, where is the new YouTube?", "Do you not see them as content delivery?", "You're mad too, bwahaha", "trash dumpers you meant? only youtube has creators providing real value in the video format likely because only youtube has a proper platform for that.", "and why do people not boycot youtube? it is a despicable google company, that tries to quiet fredom of speech, and hamper people from rezlizing that mass bulshit is goin gon!!!!", "no, its a manipulation platform just like fakebook", "well..just get a n ad block and not worry about stupid ads :) 0 income for them :)", "it is called adblock plus, and there are so many ways to do it ;) just research it for an hour...ull be surprised", "well people just need to start blockign that shit, its about time that people wake up!", "great time to mini meditate :) and become a super sayan :)", "mr beast....does that name not even kind of make you cringe? its just disgusting.....just an opinion....", "and what does that tell you? that the truth is being squashed....and why do people allow that?", "Why specifically could a competitor not be profitable?", "When a vast majority of speech is conveyed by private entities, they sure can. If theoretically they refused to deliver my texts, connect my calls, provide me internet, print my pamphlets, publish my work - all services rendered by corporations - they effectively silence me. Oh sure, I can still say whatever I want, to myself, in the dark. The idea that free speech can't be hampered by corporations, while corporations create and moderate the sphere in which most free speech exists, is silly.", "If this is really your perspective, I suggest getting off the internet entirely for a while. Go experience a different sphere, you've obviously been narrowed to one for too long.", "Except it wasn't just on my work machine. It was every device connected to the works wifi, even their guest wifi, phones included.", "What confused me the most and made me wanna ask the sysadmin was that it blocked them on all devices, phones included, on both the internal network AND the guest network.", "So let me ask you the converse question, how is google profitable currently? It's already been explained in this thread a few times, but the video infrastructure is a massive loss without also owning an integrated digital ad network that covers from search, websites, video, and even in retail store monitoring.", "Haha mate, I'm a programmer; for anything other than a weekend or a vacation (which I often do spend in the woods or sailing, far from the internet), to \"get off the internet for a while\", I'd have to quit my job. That I literally can't get off the internet without losing my source of income sort of demonstrates my point. The internet is the predominant sphere of communication in the modern era, and most of the channels within it are controlled by corporations. Imagine a fictional city where you can say anything you want legally, but every street is privately owned.", ">That I literally can't get off the internet without losing my source of income sort of demonstrates my point\n\nIt doesn't demonstrate your point, it exposes your bias. You rely on the internet for your living. \n\nTwitter and Facebook literally can't censor you in any way that's relevant to the First Amendment. But judging by your use of \"mate\" the 1A doesn't even apply to you. It's like complaining that a bar owner kicked you out for saying you hate gay people, they're allowed to do that. \n\nBesides that, people like you are always worried about Free Speech, but don't seem to give a damn about any of the other important amendments that are already dead and gone, like the right to a trial. Do you know how many incarcerated Americans got a trial? It's abysmally low.", "More content is gonna come when there are more viewers, more viewers are gonna come, well, when people use the site.\n\nJust like YouTube, you will have to find some good creators who are present there. \n\nFinally there is something which respects its user; please do give it an honest try. And you cab use both sites as well if you want.", "Sounds like it went through the router, like a pihole. It depends when this was as those websites have changed how they deliver ads to get around ad blocks! When they used 3rd party sites it was much easier to block them all at the router, now you need blockers on the device too.", "Adblock blocks it only in a browser....and there are ways to implement similar measures on the entire network..., it is not that hard to do, basically the network blocks it...anyone can do that at home or in a corporate setting", "Projection much?\n\nYou have to be 13 to register on here ;)", "LOL, u must be dumb as fuck \nBwahaha", "You seem upset. Do you need some attention, projecty?", "Upset. Ha. I'm freaking laughing (at you). LOL", "I triggered you well.\n\nAre you okay?", "Would love to see an actual, factual review site with a plug in. Like web of trust but for everything.", "That's like roaming naked and be like - \"Aww Shit! I forgot to wear clothes.\" \nYouTube can't expect that! Can they 🤨", "Curiosity Cafe on youtube had a number of videos removed", "So… we’re cattle and we’ll what we’re given and like it?", "Russian troll factories and bots target reddit Youtube and pretty much any significant enough social media. So are Chinese counterparts.\n\nYou make it like it is a problem sole to 4chan, it is not.\n\nI think heaps of uninvited nsfw content and edgy kids trying to be edgy are real issues, yet those would come in naturally in any platform advocating for free speech.\n\nI just ignore them. Also fuck neo nazis and incels.", "That's what I'm saying. Any place that's popular enough becomes a target for manufacturing opinions.\n\nIn no way am I insinuating that it's solely a 4chan issue. It's just that it has more of the easily swayed kids.\n\nI ignore them too. But the sinister underlying issues still bother me :/", "Yes, 4chan and twitter can easily be used to display a spectrum of just how fucked up people really are, and it is a good thing i think.\n\nI d rather hate places where people are raffinated and opinions tailored to suit the narrative no matter how twisted and devisive said narrative js.", "When someone comes out with a better platform I hope youtube isn't surprised by their own self fulfilled demise.", "Not for long", "Because people aren't complaining loudly enough.\n\nIt's also why I'll never ever buy a \"smart\" TV...never minding the fact that the \"smart\" bit of it quickly gets its hardware outdated.", "The further into the show the more frequent and longer the commercial breaks.", "It's so weird to just take away", "YouTube is a platform for user-generated content, mainly in forms of entertainment. Just because there are advice videos on it does not mean you should rely on them completely on that specific platform when there is potentially dozens if not hundreds of other more credible and known sources out there that will more than likely achieve the same effect in helping you being informed of something.\n\nComments still exist for videos which achieve the same exact purpose of letting you know on whether or not a video you're watching is reliable or trustworthy. Even with comments disabled, like u/prowdwackadoo stated, the like/dislike ratio can still aide in burying videos that aren't reliable/trustworthy underneath the algorithm. Whining and complaining about a mere dislike/like ratio so hard like this when there is so many alternatives to be used instead, on platform and off is akin to complaining about how bad your pizza tastes every single time you eat it after buying it from your local pizza shop. It's utter and complete nonsensical irony and you should just stop right there.\n\nStop jumping on an absurd hate bandwagon and chewing out a platform for a problem so irrelevant, negligible and avoidable (i.e., by using a different website/platform) because you're solving absolutely nothing. Devote your time to actually doing something good like for example, becoming an activist and having your voice heard on how international-wide child labor (i.e., Hershey's, Mars' and Nestle's African child labor systems or ROBLOX's exploitation of online child labor) should be stopped because these are actual issues that people should be more aware of and actively trying to prevent from happening, now and in the future." ]	3,240	videos	YouTube is deleting comments from creators who criticize their hiding of the dislike count
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r80gio/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r80gio/deleted_by_user/	[ "It's stupid as hell.\n\nJust edgy shit for an hour, shitting on everything, high on their own farts.", "I loved it. They made fun of both sides.", "I thought this show was supposed to be funny? Here they’re just portraying what conservatives think is happening. But isn’t.", "“A show that has made light of everything from 9/11 to breast cancer, the Holocaust, Aspergers, George Zimmerman, AIDS, Ethiopian famine..etc pointed out people over react sometimes.” - Idiot", "This just in: South Park makes fun of everyone on all sides. Wow. Shocker. Stop whining and learn to laugh at yourself. This isn’t a slippery slope, this won’t kill anyone, they’re just jokes.", "Wait until you realize that it's not just conservatives that are balking over mandates. \n\nThey make fun of everybody and everything, just as comedy is supposed to. Southpark pisses on the 3rd rail every week and if it bothers you on a topic it probably means you are too invested in your position from an emotional perspective.", "They’re jokes. Relax. This isn’t a slippery slope, no one will die because of this, they’re just jokes.", "OP: Why are they laughing at guys like me? We're the Good Ones!", "yeap, pretty much objectively the good ones. Thanks for pointing it out!", "Counterpoint: https://youtu.be/FBWr1KtnRcI", "Quite valid", "I am all for masks and vaccinations.\n\nBut noone can be trusted who unwaveringly believes they are objectively the good guys making their opponents objectively evil.\n\nA cause can be better than another, even justifying drastic means but it can never justify all means. But the perception of good vs evil will do that.\n\nI have not seen this episode, but Southpark has always been brilliant in pointing this out and I am glad if they stuck with it.\n\nCome to the conclusion that all efforts against Covid are justifiable: good!\nBut always keep an open mind and be able to reevaluate this question.\n\nIts not easy but this mindset is our greatest defense against tyranny.", "Unfunny ones.", "No, it’s isn’t funny.", "Right. Like how cancer will kill you but cancer jokes won’t. Also, if you’re fully vaccinated, COVID straight up will not kill you." ]	15	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/CUy-KTuBuBg	/r/videos/comments/r80ipe/the_new_new_youtube_update/	[ "Seriously, where is the viable YouTube alternative???", "You got a few hundred petabytes of storage laying around?", "they werent titanic overnight", "But now that they are, that's the order of magnitude you need to be in order to compete", "No idea if it'll work or if they can escape their current right-wing silo, but Rumble is going to go public and try. There's also Odysee - which seems pretty nice, but isn't growing as fast would be necessary to set it on a challenging trajectory. \n\nI think the best thing that could come out of that is Youtube actually being a bit more responsive to user desires as right now they don't really have a place to go.", "Always said Netflix could be, if they were smart about it.\n\nOpen up a Tube section of netflix, with only approved creators. Netflix is already the only other video streaming service that's a household name already all over the world just like youtube. And they already have crazy monetization and market dominance. It would be the next step for Netflix and the step that propels them above all other streaming services.", "pretty sure youd just have to be ad free and not buffer like a motherfucker", "So you'll need fast servers and faster internet too", "You may not agree with this decision. But in time, we know you'll come to see that you have no power to change it, and you'll eventually accept it because you have no other recourse.", "Brands and major companies don't like their advertisements or media releases looking bad because of a dislike count, and they themselves receive no benefit of a dislike count. The dislike count is something that only benefits users themselves. The side effect of scams and false or low quality content performing better I think doesn't matter to youtube since they pretty much only care about ads and major brands.", "PornHub could do it if they wanted to.", "Then why not just remove it for some channels? Hell maybe even let channels decide if they want it on a video just like they do comments.", "Reddit did this with comment upvotes/downvotes too. This place used to show comment downvote count. Now you just get the net sum - - you don't know if your \"-1\" is because 1 person disagreed or because 2000 people agreed and 2001 people disagreed.", "Pepperridge Farm remembers!", "You can still enable the controversial comment indicator that adds the dagger to comments that have downvotes and upvotes. But yeah, it's not as good as being able to see the rough values.", "Ah that's easy, just make no money and have infinite storage and bandwidth", "Yeah but I have all my Homework stored on them.", "yep right off the rip just like youtube at its inception which was apparently today", "As soon as YouTube started scaling, some giant with synergies of such a platform had to buy them out if they were to survive. Today it is quite clear that there is no way of earning any kind of money from these platforms if you don't have these synergy effects. I don't think people are willing to pay subscription fees, so it's ads and all the bad stuff that comes from that.", "While having the original system can be informative, at the very least we have the sum, which is a clear indication of the sentiment. Removing dislikes from YT is hands down the worst decision YT ever made, even more than enforcing G+ back in the day on its users.", "I like this. All content creators should move to PornHub to essentially fuck YT. Sounds like a plan to me!", "Lmao… so you want a start up to be ad free and also somehow manage the high volume of bandwidth without any revenue stream?", "Reddit never showed upvotes and downvotes, you needed RES to see them. They didn't really do any good, though.", "They already have that ability.", "I still don't understand why youtube is so happy to bend over. \n\n\nThe argument is \"Advertisers will pull their ads aka money\"... To where? YT is a monopoly in pretty much every sense of the word. There is no alternative to go advertise on. Even if YT allowed full on hardcore porn and didn't demonetize innocent shit like swearing they'd still get ad revenue because companies want to advertise.", "The sad reality.", "Not the subject I know but Honestly the star system was bad. Because if you want your opinion to have more power you put either 5 stars or 1 star. It works only if everybody is on board and use the system to really reflect the quality of the media.", "Amazon could but I don't know if it will be better when you look at twitch.", "You don't have to care, but it is important. Scamming was already bad enough on YouTube, and it's only going to get worse now that the only real defense against it is gone. That's my main gripe with the change.", "Well pornhub allowed real minor rape on their site, I don't think many brands wants to be associated with those criminals.", "I care mostly because of my work. I have to search tutorials on many subjects and this change made me loose time because I have to watch the video entirely to find out its a scam. \nThe way I use youtube for distraction it doesn't bother me that much because I just stick with the channels I'm subbed for and I know it's quality. I will certainly spend less time trying to discover new creators though. The thing this change is suppose to help. \n\nAnd sure there are more important problems. But if you think that way you just never speak because there is always something bigger. I agree that many drama about youtube aren't justified but this one is.", "I care mostly because of my work. I have to search tutorials on many subjects and this change made me loose time because I have to watch the video entirely to find out its a scam. \nThe way I use youtube for distraction it doesn't bother me that much because I just stick with the channels I'm subbed for and I know it's quality. I will certainly spend less time trying to discover new creators though. The thing this change is suppose to help. \n\nAnd sure there are more important problems. But if you think that way you just never speak because there is always something bigger. I agree that many drama about youtube aren't justified but this one is.", "Then how do you make money to keep the site up and running?", "Nerd rage for something completely minor and not worth stressing about. Oh no - you can't see the number of dislikes on a free video service -- we're living in a dystopia!!", "if you take that route, no dislikes is the same as a bad ratio. It's just assumed bad if you're not willing to take criticism.", "You think I care about brands? Aren't these business presumably why YT took dislikes away?", "It still does.", "It actually doesn't - the system used to be a number of upvotes and number of downvotes. Today it's a score that is implied to be the difference. \n\nSome subs disable it as well.", "how", "On the non crappy Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/prefs/, navigate to the section for 'comment options' and enable the 'show a dagger (†) on comments voted controversial' option.", "Thank you! (New reddit sucks, old reddit is the only way.)", "How else could they make astroturfing more effective?", "Now this is some Omnissiah level shit right here", "and also pay for it yourself.", "Because then only the big baby media companies would do it and they'd look bad. Youtube is taking the bad press for them. \n\n\nI'm sure it was expensive", "it's okay, i'm just migrating away from using youtube. \n\nhopefully a lot of people will do this and youtube will slowly die.", "Conceptually yes, if you distribute the storage, effort and so on over everyone. You can do decentralised website using approaches like ZeroNet.", "Still better than nothing", "Exactly. Its honestly really funny to see people say things like \"YT is a monopoly\" whike TikTok exists.\n\nNot that it's any better tbf", "The above comment was stolen from [this one](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r80ipe/the_new_new_youtube_update/hn3s0fu/) elsewhere in this comment section.\n\nIt is probably not a coincidence; here is some more evidence against this user:\n\nPlagiarized \| Original\n-------- \| -----------\n[semi truth by the way](http://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r8comn/the_queen_of_christmas/hn61t4w/) \| [semi truth by the way](http://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r8comn/the_queen_of_christmas/hn5hlyv/)\n[Yeah. I mean. Isn't that...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r80vv0/im_never_going_to_find_a_soul_mate/hn620ez/) \| [Yeah. I mean. Isn't that...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r80vv0/im_never_going_to_find_a_soul_mate/hn5il5t/)\n[I love these “shaggy dog...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r825j5/a_bouncer_is_working_on_a_saturday_night_at_a/hn61yyw/) \| [I love these “shaggy dog...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r825j5/a_bouncer_is_working_on_a_saturday_night_at_a/hn3shzt/)\n[He was waiting on a frien...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r80qnx/a_young_boy_is_listening_to_the_radio_in_the_car/hn61xjy/) \| [He was waiting on a frien...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r80qnx/a_young_boy_is_listening_to_the_radio_in_the_car/hn4vskc/)\n[I mean, it's hardly great...](http://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r8azfy/sad_noises/hn61wae/) \| [I mean, it's hardly great...](http://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r8azfy/sad_noises/hn56tap/)\n[I remember log chopping w...](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87l76/company_advertises_themselves_by_telling_you_why/hn622kg/) \| [I remember log chopping w...](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87l76/company_advertises_themselves_by_telling_you_why/hn5itsv/)\n[And being weird and tresp...](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87x4m/body_cameras_dont_lie/hn621ro/) \| [And being weird and tresp...](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87x4m/body_cameras_dont_lie/hn5k7xq/)\n\nbeep boop, I'm a bot -\|:] It is this bot's opinion that [/u/FitPerformance6318](https://np.reddit.com/u/FitPerformance6318/) should be banned for karma manipulation. Don't feel bad, they are probably a bot too.\n\nConfused? Read the [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/user/reply-guy-bot/comments/n9fpva/faq/?plagiarist=FitPerformance6318) for info on how I work and why I exist.", "what if we collectively made the dislike the new like", "You know Netflix removed their dislikes years ago, right?", "add on\n\nhttps://returnyoutubedislike.com/", "https://returnyoutubedislike.com/", "Put link to their website\n\nhttps://returnyoutubedislike.com/", "People act like there aren't a ton of creators on Nebula. It isn't impossible.", "No brands no money, if you want creators to move somewhere you need to have brand. It's just the reality." ]	63	videos	The new New YouTube update.
https://youtu.be/-cU3nU--X-o	/r/videos/comments/r815ok/corey_trevors_gas_station/	[ "\"Gut Cassidy and the Sundance Cheeseburger\" kills me every time. Fuckin' basketball eatin' walrus lookin muh'fucka...", "Stealing gas? why Cory and Trevor that's highly illegal. You shouldn't be stealing gas Cory and Trevor.", "I mean look at at them, that's gas sickness." ]	3	videos	Corey & Trevor's gas station.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqWjq2SdzpI	/r/videos/comments/r819v3/exposed_the_windows_rootkit_scandal_by_sony/	[ "The whole Sony rootkit thing happened about 2004 or 2005 I think. You may as well show a video of the newest Atari vid game to hit the shelves.", "Right because it's from 2004, everyone knows about it including some of the technical details on how and why it happened. How could I be so thoughtless to waste everyone's time with such details and insight from the guy who was responsible for the libraries that were hacked. History, psshhhttt, what a waste of time.", "Oh relax. You seriously get that offended from a Reddit comment?", "i can smell the small dicked soy from you from the other side of the planet lmfao" ]	4	videos	EXPOSED: The Windows Rootkit Scandal by Sony
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aukKeS8LdDI	/r/videos/comments/r81rx4/super_mario_bros_any_speedrun_in_454881_wr/	[ "Not on an original Nintendo, thus I don't care.", "[emulation is accepted as an official part of the wr leaderboard just like playing on console](https://www.speedrun.com/smb1/#Any)", "I just need Summoning Salt to put all this into context for me so I can understand why it's a big deal.", "[This summoningsalt video goes over the theoretical perfect time that humans could achieve and how it took hundreds of runners combining their times to get close to this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rIJNT7dCmE)\n\nThis was a single run by 1 person so the possible timesaves left after this run:\n\n* 16 frames in 8-4\n* 1 framerule in 4-2\n\nThat's it. 37 frames left to tie the TAS, about 0.6 seconds. A single human is 0.6 seconds away from being perfect which is something that took hundreds of runners combined years to do.", "Totally agree. Do it with a controller, brooooo.", "YouTube's been pushing that video on me all week. Was there buzz around it leading up to this new WR?", "And he got boobs for both quest", "dont care.", "The amount of dedication is amazing. The preciseness is amazing. Part of me wishes that people who did this would redirect their efforts towards something else.", "How did he finish 8-2 with a perfect framerule without a fast acceleration?", "I'm too old to speed run, but I sure love watching some of these dudes and their excitement. The PG language guys are even more of a treat to watch. I didn't understand much of what was happening, even after watching Summoning Salt's vids, but when his bros came in all chill and happy for him I couldn't help but smile. \n\n8:00.85 was the icing on the cake.\n\nNow for the controversial questions for some of you speed runners (since it seems this is a sensitive topic) but is there a separate category for original equipment/controller? I'm guessing it would be harder to do on an NES controller, but then you're also introducing hardware limitations which are only getting worse as the NES gets older. Maybe harder to regulate? Just honestly curious where the emulation/3rd party hardware line is drawn. \n\nLast question, but what's stopping someone from getting some sort of setup that displays the exact keys to press following the tool assisted speedrun in a sort of guitar hero display? Wouldn't it be easier to perfect that than actually watching the game play out? Does that question make sense?" ]	11	videos	Super Mario Bros. Any% Speedrun in 4:54.881 WR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORzNZUeUHAM	/r/videos/comments/r81u4l/the_ugly_dangerous_and_inefficient_stroads_found/	[ "'Mericans ain't never gonna switch to some ol' commie European system. Mah Freedum to drive where I want when I want is sacred in the Constatootion, put in thar by the FOundin Fathers and Prasident Trump.\n/s", "Wow if only all of our major cities and suburbs existed for multiple hundreds of years before the invention of automobiles. I don't like these videos because the guy really just likes to shit on the US and Canada, as if all countries developed at the same time with the same technologies. I guarantee any country that could have developed as quickly as the US did while cars became mainstream would also have used them the way we did. To be clear, Our cities and suburbs are not designed well. But if you think any prospective real estate buyers from any country would build up the vast swaths of land still available in the US around 1900 like a European city, you are wrong. The US has and had more space to work with, and cars were becoming popular. Obviously things would be more spread out.", "I bet that sounded a lot cooler in your head.", "The hate on Kansas is real. I've long described these dead, strip mall mini highways as corporate veins. They're just so.. soul sucking. This brought up why fairly well. I know we've got the tools to do it.. but the funding. I feel like there will be a huge pushback if cities wanna change this... from people who think itll clog up traffic and/or from the big depos that these stroads lead to. \n\nAnyway.. I'm too dumb to know what to do.", "Nah dude. This was planned. These kind of spaces didn't really exist until after ww2. You should look into how the auto industry fucked us", "I know it was planned. My point is that any country expanding at the time we did with similar geography would have similar plans. Lots of cheap land and affordable cars. It makes sense that everything would be spread out. Obviously it wasn't done with enough foresight, but I really think it is more due to extreme demand for suburbs and space rather than incompetence." ]	6	videos	The Ugly, Dangerous, and Inefficient Stroads found all over the US & Canada
https://youtu.be/ArrjkrreORg	/r/videos/comments/r81uy6/when_you_hit_puberty_twice/	[ "goddam", "Is there a bass equivalent of soprano falsetto? It almost sounds like he's using a different arrangement of his vocal cords for the very lowest notes.", "I'd call it subcontrabass", "My understanding is that he's using subharmonics. It's like vocal fry, but hits a resonance that lets you sing an octave lower than your normal voice.", "That's interesting. Could this be related to \"throat-singing\" like some Central Asian singers do? If so, this guy has a remarkable ability to make it sound almost normal.", "Sounds like when I burp my ABCs", "I don't know, but there are some people who can make it sound remarkably natural. See the last note of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbxkOntz2SA" ]	7	videos	When you hit puberty twice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_lCxHJ6Gh8	/r/videos/comments/r81w1e/musician_gets_to_play_hendrixs_10m_strat_in_a/	[ "The “musician” is Paul Davids. A great guitar Youtuber/teacher.", "So a musician?", "yes, but he has a name is my point.", "Everyone does? That's not a point. He probably has/had a mother too. Should that be in the title?\n\nI'd never heard of him. I can't find his wiki page. Just because he has a mildly successful youtube channel doesn't mean he should be in the title as if he's a reference people will automatically recognize.\n\nThe title is fine.", "Alternate headline \"owner of Jimi Hendrix guitar makes an ad before placing it up for auction\"", "It's not a £10 million Strat. It's a £1500 Strat that some rich idiot will be willing to pay an obscene amount of money for so he can stick it in a bank vault." ]	6	videos	Musician gets to play Hendrix's £10M Strat in a London guitar shop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xa9KgMyCBy4	/r/videos/comments/r8254f/2021_has_been_so_fun/	[ "That was fun", "Like 2021", "no, no no no. He was being sarcastic.", "oh", "I have a bridge for sale in NYC if you're interested?", "This is better than yt rewind 2021", "I like how this video has no political slant at all. Right down the line, making fun of all sides.", "Eh probably not", "Not the highest praise", "I remember hearing this song about the hurricane katrina year on my parents radio all the time as a kid and it was sonically identical to this one. Kind of trippy. Im now convinced that in a decade or two there's gunna be another bad year and somebody else is going to make a song talking about it with this exact cadence and instrumentation.", "Sure dude how many currency", "25 doll hairs.", "Blond ones?", "NO\n\nno no no\n\nNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO\n\nRed please.", "Actually forgot about the Taliban.\n\n\nAnother great year.", "What is that orange thing at the end he is holding up to his face?", "Looks like a pee bottle.", "That's a rare currency over here", "I hear they have to fight the sand worms on Arrakis to mine the special red colouring for those soulless ones.", "See you at the middle", "I'll greet you mid way", "I guess the year actually wasn't that bad, considering you can sum all the bad things up in a \\~2 minute song.", "Noice", "Now make a positive one", "\"We got biden in the white house and corona on the run\"\n\nI belly laughed", "By that logic, 2001 was a great year?", "Every song he looks like he's just been apple bobbing", "Does that mean I'm going down?", "With the sickness", "Six days into this year, he made a video superimposed with Jan 6 riot footage singing just \"Biden on the White House and Corona's on the run / 2021 gonna be so fun!\" and it was hilarious then, too.", "He has a lot of great funny songs, but I legitimately like [Spineless](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-RoRC0FuOw), which is an actual serious song.", "That was amazing..! Now, how HIGH were you making them..?", "And my axe!", "It was great for authoritarianism", "https://amazon.com/dp/B01GCS3XJI\n\nTo make his face look sweaty, I guess", "I like some of his comedy songs but I hope he makes more of his regular music. Just got into him fairly recently and I'm already happy to see a video of his pop up here!", "Glad Father John Misty put out a new song", "Fake news! Nick produces all his sheen naturally", "You aren't the Imperial Japanese Navy, by chance?" ]	34	videos	2021 Has Been So Fun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wk6Qr6OO5Xo	/r/videos/comments/r82hvm/the_insane_engineering_of_the_a10_warthog/	[ "I will always stop and watch a brrrrt video.", "Internet stranger I don't know WHO you are..... But I totally agree :)", "Lived right next to a military bombing range my whole life. For most of my childhood and teen years they had howitzers and A-10’s practicing runs out there. Sounded like fart noises. \n\nThey replaced with the drones eventually however. \n\nThey still have the howitzer training though. They rattle then absolute shit out of the houses. Usually knocking small knickknacks off the shelves.", "Same.", "I don’t know if he says this in the video, but the line I remember about the A-10 is “instead of asking ‘what size of gun can we put on this plane?’ they asked ‘what size of plane can we put on this gun?’ “\n\nSomething like that", "My first thought was \"this video better start with a brrrrt\". It delivered.", "Brrrrrrrrrt!", "https://www.reddit.com/r/Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt/", "I love it.", "[Here ya go](https://i.imgur.com/Rc3l2.jpeg)\n\nThe plane is an _accessory_.", "This is what we have instead of healthcare.", "I think it looks more like a puma.", "Felt weird as an American listening to an Irish guy explain an American weapon to me. Great video though!", "I remember being in the shit and seeing the heroes of an A-10 wing incoming. It was like my prayers had been answered. I looked to the soldier next to me and we knew, we were totally going to win this LAN tournament.", "I was under the impression that the US ends up spending more because of its backwards system. You could have public healthcare and more of these..\n\nCareful who you vote for!", "Ok I’m not the sharpest bowl in the bowl drawer, but he said 33 millimeters was the size of the round? But that’s only 1 inch. That’s not very big right?", "10 years of Medicare for All would cost over $30 trillion. The annual cost of Medicare for All would be over five times as much as the annual military budget. And the cost of the A-10 is a tiny fraction of total US military spending.", "That’s the diameter of the round. And that’s a lot, especially when 60 of them are coming at you every second.", "Oh shit imma dummy, thanks!" ]	18	videos	The Insane Engineering of the A-10 Warthog
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r82smw/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r82smw/deleted_by_user/	[ "…what else can it do..?", ".. . Greta? I allway knew there was something off with that girl.. Now I know.", "It sounds like Maya Rudolph when it sings.", "People keep screaming uncanny valley but this looks and behaves like the shitty robot toys we had in the 90s." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptqWx7LA0io	/r/videos/comments/r82vp8/will_ferrell_has_an_ethical_dilemma_in_david_a/	[ "God I hate Will Ferrell's acting style, he does 2 characters. Massive asshole, or dumbfounded moron sometimes he decides to mix both of them and make something utterly unwatchable. \n\nHere's an example of a character written for Will Ferrell : character is in big trouble because of something stupid or despicable he did, spend the next hour constantly blaming everyone else without ever reaching the conclusion that it's the fault of the character. \n\nThere's something so incredibly dissatisfying about watching a Will Ferrell movie, he never reaches the conclusion you expect given the actions he performs in the movie, instead it always just ends in wackyness.", "I feel like you disliked this short film, but couldn't quite put your finger on why. In the same breath your attacking his acting ability while blaming it on the story/writing.", "Oh no I'm only blaming his acting style, I'm saying either he gets cast because of face and name recognition for a part he cant play because of his acting style thus forcing the writers to rewrite his character to fit either of the 2 characters he can play or a character is made specifically for him to play.", "I enjoyed. I like this new actor.", "But he's not in trouble because of something stupid or despicable he did. He's in trouble because an unusual situation forced him into a corner.", "Zach Woods is Gabe (from the office) and Jared (from Silicon Valley) if y’all didn’t know", "I don't think he was a moron or an asshole in this short film. He was dumbfounded for a moment in a sense, but then for most of it he was actually quite the opposite and trying his best to take control of an absurd situation. Being as deferential as possible to his son while making it clear his immediate priority was a man experiencing a mental health crisis.\n\nThat doesn't strike me as the actions of a moron or an asshole. I also don't think he was stuck in a situation of his own making. I enjoyed the short film and Will's performance but then I don't blindly hate actors, I tend to go into something with an open mind and try to judge the individual performance of its own merit.", "That was fucking great. What a roller coaster of highs and lows.", "this was awful", "As a School Counselor, this video terrifies me.", "Is Will Ferrell turning into Tom Waits?", "I enjoyed this.", "This is really so great", "I also enjoyed this.", "Or none of that was the case and you just didn't like the story.", "Surprisingly solid presentation of a therapy session. Also, an important reminder that therapists are real people with real lives and sometimes may have their own issues and that doesn't make them bad therapists.", "If you've not watched Everything Must Go, it is a perfect example of Will's range. I think Will enjoys doing comedy more than anything, but he isn't afraid to step outside of the bounds of comedy and do a serious role. I think Everything Must Go was sort of looked down on at first because it was the first time he did something that wasn't just goofy and half improvised. However it has its moments of comedy that Will can provide, even in a serious role. \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W78aehJKyB0", "Or didn't even watch it", "I could have been better if they would have just shaken the camera more." ]	19	videos	Will Ferrell has an ethical dilemma in "David: A Short Film"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shPwW11MEHg	/r/videos/comments/r830za/how_nasas_webb_telescope_will_transform_our_place/	[ "Yeah about that…. It won’t…", "Yeah, you don’t think so? Why is that?", "I'm excited for the new Telescope, but I ignore videos with click bait titles.", "It will tell us about the early universe. Give us clues to the deepest mysteries of physics.\n\nBut it's fine if all you're concerned about is where your next banana is coming from. (props to people who get this reference)", "It won't transform our place in the universe, just give us a better understanding of it.", "This project is a joint development between NASA, ESA and CSA. Idk why the title gives all the glory to NASA.", "You literally don't.", "Because NASA is footing 90% of the cost.", "Well, it'll give us a new perspective on our place, anyway. I'm looking forward to the successor to the [Hubble Ultra Deep Field](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAVjF_7ensg)." ]	9	videos	How NASA’s Webb Telescope Will Transform Our Place in the Universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7GVklRqHRY	/r/videos/comments/r839rw/bettercom_ceo_vishal_garg_lays_off_15_of/	[ "he received 3/4 of a billion dollars? for what?", "oh, so HE didn't get it, the company did.", "Damn that's a cold way to do a mass layoff during the holiday season.", "The employees you get when you're a nothing startup and the employees you can attract once you've got a billion dollars are vastly different.", "Uhh, he said he cried last time and hopes he's stronger this time? What a fucking jackass. Why would you say that to a bunch of people you just fired before Christmas?\n\nI hope I'm stonecold this time because feeling emotion sucks, and I'm supposed to be a CEO drinking the blood of my enemies. Anyway, enough about how I feel. You're fired, you unlucky scum.", "Hey guys you're getting fired but try to have some sympathy for me will you? I have to deliver this news.", "I used Better in 2020 to refinance my house and it was quick and easy. I was really impressed with their process to be honest. I am now looking to buy a new home, and had planned to use Better since my refi experience was so good.\n\nAfter seeing this video, I will find another mortgage lender. This is disgraceful.", "Fucking hell, I threaten to do the same thing every day and I’m still broke as fuck. Fucking bullshit I tell you", "Looks like I'm not the only who thought he received a 750 Million bonus.", "That's a little nutty that they got that money. That's the weird part of this IMO. Better is a 'startup' that is providing fast and cheap mortgages. Their existence, and potential, pretty much exists only at the whim of this inflated housing market that everyone is waiting for the shoe to drop on. The moment the Fed _sniffs_ at raising interest rates will be the beginning of the end. Lay off 15%? He should either have gone higher or he must have plans to do another round, soon. That company should be making itself very very lean in preparation for the inevitable economic change in the mortgage market. How anyone wants to throw money into that is bizarre. And any technology worker there should be exiting themself asap anyway, because there's a lot of red flag and writing on the wall about that company's future. And there's _lots_ of work out there for tech right now. Unless they got some radical plans to pivot their business, that's a sinking ship IMO.", "Sounds like a heartless bastard with only money on the mind.", "Better doesn't own your mortgage. It was sold to someone else.\n\nThat said, go with a credit union for your banking needs.", "\"Last time I did this, I cried.\" Yeah, crocodile tears.", "Clickbait title. The company received $750MM not him.", "Wait, wasn’t he on the call too? Or that’s not how it works?", "So correct the grammar mistake in the title?", "Go with whatever company gives you the best rate and will close on time. Those are the only things that really matter.", "This guy is a piece of trash on multiple levels and is almost certainly a fraudster. Getting laid off sucks so hard... but the employees should at least take solace in the fact that they're no longer working for this no talent ass clown.", "Everyone talking about false info on the internet and censorship however false info just gets upvoted on reddit.", "can't edit titles on reddit.", "He's blaming the market but the market is not really that down. We are likely to see more red in the coming weeks but that's pretty normal for December. Obviously Omicron, China shenagins and recent Fed news are playing a role. \n\n Housing prices are up 20-35% depending on the market over the past year and its expected to go sideways. \n\nRising rates are also not exactly bad for revenue for a mortgage lender. \n\n They must have a plan to burn through that 3/4 of a Billion pretty fast. That or they are trying to make their balance sheets look better for their SPAC IPO.", "For not crying this time.", "Last time I did this, I cried. This time, I got .75 billion dollars.", "another good example of why engineers up and leave in tech. We all know this in the back of our heads.", "What's [better.com](https://better.com)? Never heard of it.", "Mortgage lenders, sure. Not mortgage originators though. Most entities that sell mortgages (credit unions, community banks, tech startups, etc) just close the mortgage and then re-sell it. They don't have actual interest in keeping those loans on their books and managing all the risk that come with it. They just get their fees and closing costs, and whatever sugar that Wells, BofA, etc give them. \n\nAll that to say, _frequency_ of mortgages matters in those instances. Volume matters. Their interest, like realtors, is in people swapping houses at a higher frequency. Lower interest rates stimulate this (and oh how they have been). When feds start raising rates and mortgage rates go up, you're gonna see people staying put a lot more. And that will definitely hurt anyone in the mortgage origination business.", "I guess I'll be the capitalist pig as this title is ridiculous. If a company knows it needs to lay people off is it really supposed to keep them employed for an entire month longer just because the holidays are coming? Even so, they're giving a month of severance, so they'll be paid the money they were potentially counting on for the holidays. It's not the most generous possible severance, but I have no doubt the vast majority of these 900 people will quickly find jobs elsewhere.\n\nTheir investors likely invested $750M (which went to the company, not the CEO btw) knowing they were doing these layoffs, and it's probably a reason they decided to invest more money at all. If the company is adept at identifying low impact positions and low performers and eliminating them that makes for an efficient business. That investment isn't a license to simply waste the money employing people that aren't making the company profitable.\n\nI know nothing about the CEO personally and it's very possible that he's an awful guy, but laying people off in this manner certainly isn't a major contributing factor to his awfulness.", "Well, the business did. He \"only\" got 25 mil", "Well I mean, you could check their website. I'm not really sure exactly what their web address would be but maybe you could google it or something", "How is it a grammar mistake? It's done on purpose because redditors love outrage porn.", "I feel sorry for the filmer, sounded like he was taking it pretty bad.", "I was trying not to give them web traffic for doing a crappy thing.", "You must be new here.", "Ahhhummmm", "Yeah! We are in late-stage capitalism, remember?\n\nJust wipe the blood off those diamonds and forget about it!", "also I'd be very concerned that by his voice and maybe youtube account they could easily ID him and find some legal reason to not give him his severance for leaking a private zoom call :(", "Who did he receive the $750 million from? Did someone buy his company?", "Eh. Depends. My mortage got sold to Mr.Cooper who then refunded me a large chuck of the escrow, and when they missed property taxes being paid from it, paid all of the fees themselves.\n\nYmmv", "Your post title is misleading.", "Guys, give him a break, the last time he did it, he cried.", "The only shitty thing here imo is doing it on a mass Zoom call so casually. \n\n* Laying people off is not inherently a dick thing to do. I can’t speak to the specifics of this company, but it’s not abnormal for companies to restructure. \n* The company got $750m, not him. And just because they got an infusion of cash doesn’t mean they can’t change business operations.\n* “Right before the holidays” is irrelevant. Companies don’t just shut down during December.\n\nDon’t get me wrong, it absolutely sucks to lose your job, and it’s not an easy time of the year for that to happen. I’m not trying to defend him or say that people who lost their jobs shouldn’t be angry.", "They were firing 900 employees, so this was definitely set up as more of a broadcast than a traditional call. No unmuting or turning your camera on.", "How can he even live off that", "only", "I'm just saying the title reads like the CEO got the money.", "Lmao that’s not how it works. And any mortgage company you go to has done it, and will continue to do the same thing.", "No, the joke is that the CEO should also be considered laid off because he was technically part of \"everyone on the call\".", "I just felt the breeze ruffle my hair.", "Not how what works? Finding a new lender/broker? \n\nI sold the house I refinanced in 2020, moved to a new city, and I am looking to buy a new home. Hence a new loan... Where I have the choice of lender. And I wont choose Better (or Ally, because better services Ally).", "🤣 TBF it was a B- joke at best.", "750million was probably on the condition of restructuring.\n\nThe only thing I see wrong with this is doing a mass zoom call, it should've been filtered down through the company team leads and handled individually. But then again, some people would shit on that too, while others would see this as at least the CEO is taking it on himself to give the bad news instead of delegating it.\n\nIt doesn't really matter what time of year it is, or how much money the company raised. It's a business. This is the exact reason why you don't have loyalty to a company, you go where the money is, just like companies move to maximise profit and stay alive regardless of whether they like you or not.", "It is not too late to find out how the rich taste", "Nah, that's just a straight-shooter with upper management written all over him!", "Glad I’ve never heard of this garbage company.", "SoftBank has got to be some kind of yakuza money laundering operation at this rate. They also did WeWork, which was another insane scam, and now this...", "Comparing your choice of mortgage originator to buying conflict diamonds? Lol ok chill.", "When you say “seeing people staying put more” do you mean the companies? I swear my mortgage gets sold every year and I have no choice in it and it drives me nuts", "> One of the reasons I am currently refi'ing is because my current mortgage holder fucked up their escrow management and are trying to pass the loss onto us by increasing our mortgage by $300 a month to make up for \"lack of funds in the escrow\"\n\nEh. You mean they actually lost money or taxes/insurance increased and they're requiring you to contribute more to escrow next year?", "He then followed up with, \"this time, I hope to be stronger\". Like, \"Oh dear, please keep up your strength, Bless.\" Get bent.", "Just pointing out that those two things are not all that matter. Just because a diamond is cheap doesn't mean that's the only thing to consider; same with a mortgage, shoes, anything you buy.\n\nThis whole thread is about scummy corporations and they're treatment of their workers. Directly comparable, even if ad absurdum.", "That's a lot of paper to soak up them tears. Gives a new meaning to no one can see you cry in [the rain](https://www.icegif.com/wp-content/uploads/make-it-rain-icegif.gif)", "So your problem is not that they were fired, but how they were fired?", "No I mean people. People won't be trading up, building new, etc.", "How do you become the CEO of a major company without basic skills in messaging? Isn't there a communications team that could have helped him with this statement? \n\nIf you're laying off hundreds of people - and you yourself are not only not getting laid off but you're also ridiculously wealthy - DO NOT even MENTION the word \"I\" let alone go into detail about how you cried \"last time.\" They don't want to hear a word about YOU. \n\nAlso, don't talk about how they need to be cut loose in order for the company to \"continue to thrive.\" That implies:\n\n1. \"The company isn't suffering - quite the opposite actually - but we don't even want to risk the chance of getting off this sweet trajectory to save your jobs.\"\n2. \"You're dead weight. We can't keep thriving with YOU on board.\"\n\nI mean holy fuck.", "I would have you consider refinancing through a company that retains servicing of your mortgage. When you receive a Loan Estimate this will be a check box on Page 3. \n\nNon direct lenders like Better.com will sell servicing rights to your mortgage because servicing is generally not really profitable or realistic for small companies.", "The youtube account looks to be a throwaway. Hopefully he won't face any repercussions for uploading it.\n\nThe jobs market has never been exactly 'kind', but one point of view that you could take is that we are inventing new forms of alienation in the form of things like being sacked by Zoom. Even if you are pro-capitalism and/or sympathetic to these businesses you should be able to see how it is hard for people to adjust to. I studied sociology at university and the whole point of [how it was invented](https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/58095.Suicide) was to do with how and why people committed suicide when society went through massive upheavals that left them feeling alienated and unable to fulfil their ambitions. So I can well sympathise with what it must be like to go through that.", "The best financial decision you can make for yourself as a homebuyer/owner, is the edit cheapest debt you can get. Full stop. You can take a higher rate at a bank you feel is more ethical. They’ll likely sell your loan to a scummy servicer and you have zero control over that. It also really doesn’t impact you. I’ll keep more money in my pocket every month for the next 30 years. \n\nBetter laid off employees. It sucks and it happens a lot(I’ve been laid off before). I’d still refinance with them if they gave me the best loan terms.", "So? If you're company was looking down and an investor said look, I'll keep you afloat and inject some capital, but there needs to be changes.\n\nWould you flatly refuse to ever fire anyone? Do you think everyone keeps their job if the company declines and eventually goes bust or downsizes? No lol.\n\nIt's business. The staff are just that, they're not family, they're employees. Move on.", "Honestly, if he licenses out the video to news outlets he can probably make more than what they would pay him in severance.", "i have worked in mortgage lending for the last decade, so was not trying to get too bogged down on the wording. \n\nBetter.com is almost hitting note for note what Loan depot did a few years ago. LDI (Loan Depot) is down 85% since their IPO. Lay offs like this are not a good sign of a healthy company, I would imagine Better's Q3s earnings look rough.", "You can also tell his character by the fact that he recorded this video without bothering to clean his table, sit properly, or actually align his camera. It’s embarrassing how little effort went into preparing this vid, and it signals a huge lack of respect for employees", "He has to make his own coffee in the morning.", "I agree with everything you have stated. But regardless of all of that, ethics still matter, externalities still matter. Just because you are not paying for them with money doesn't mean it is not costing you some other way.", "Yeah, you're right. He didn't get 750 mil, only 25. I bet he will struggle with having to do this for the rest of his life, while he wipes his butt with Franklin.", "you didnt threat the right person then! hahah", "Why do you specifically signal out tech workers? Just curious?", "Damn that's cold. You should also post this in r/antiwork", "The misinformation in the title is a different issue than whether or not the CEO got a bonus or how easy or hard that makes his life, how that related to laying people off, etc.", "A measly 25 million is barely enough to afford the daily maintenance on his yacht at his 2nd Florida mansion!", "What a weak ass statement for a CEO to make, lol.", "Who's the chick that pops up at the end?", "In most cases layoffs are required to keep business solvent. So, in a way, they can be ethical if they keep the business operating for the people who do get to keep their jobs.", "Mortgage originators are not going to be quickly picking up a new job right now. Not many places are hiring. Unfortunately, this is pretty normal for the mortgage industry. Places hire like crazy, horde the wealth, then when there is even a minor downturn they fire most of their staff and for all practical purposes shut down to just sit upon their horde of wealth waiting for the next rate drop. \n\nIf you plan to enter the mortgage industry, do it somewhere big and reputable for at least the first couple of years, your rocket mortgages, wells fargos, and US banks don't just fire huge swaths of their staff like this.", "Hopefully this time, he'll be stronger", "False, you mean.", "That poor man", "That's my industry.", "wonder if the former employees who now cant afford christmas presents will cry...\n\nwonder if he cares", "Nothing-startup employees: will work 18-hour days 6 days a week to make miracles happen before the company runs out of money.\n\nBillion-dollar-company employees: won't get out of bed for anything less than a private office, company car, credit card and secretary.\n\nI suspect this douche just sealed the fate of his company.", "I'm still fairly confident they could find jobs outside of the mortgage industry. Of course that comes with more risk, but it's still likely their skillset applies across a wide range of positions and industries.", "Yeah, poor little lamb.", "Wiping his tears with $100 bills.", "Genuinely curious, if you had to do layoffs during the holiday season, how would you do it?", "Look, I'm here to be pissed at the guy for ruining everyone's holidays. Quit saying things to try to make me like him now\n\nEdit - Awww post deleted but they were saying the CEO was accused of threatening to staple a business associate to the wall and light them on fire.", "That's fair, but to be fair to them there probably aren't a lot of industries that will pay as well that they will qualify for.", "Have the affected people talk 1:1 with their manager", "You would skip over better and ally even if they offered you better loan terms?", "Not to be be pedantic here because I don't disagree with your statement, but the original comment said that the lowest rate and whether they will close on time is all that matters. That is the statement I have issue with.", "Is there a good way to be laid off that isn't related to the quality of the severance package?", "Unless the company was in actual jeopardy of meeting financial obligations, not lay off people?", "I used GuaranteedRate, similar experience, it was so much easier than my last mortgage.\n\nAfter this I did a little bit of extra research. Some of their transgressions include bribing government underwriters of FHA/VA loans, and pressuring their employees to write positive GlassDoor reviews.", "I don't really have much time for executives who make large scale redundancies all about themselves.\n\nNo, it wasn't the most difficult decision of your life. It will have been planned months in advance and you chose the Christmas period to do it. And you're not the one losing your job.\n\nIf they did a lay off and resigned at the same time, maybe it would feel a bit more legit.", "Do news outlets even license footage these days though? Or do they just embed the youtube link on their site and call it a day? Either way I hope he makes it out alright.", "There's a reason I'm not in management.", "I once worked at a company that did mass layoffs before the holidays… so they could pay bigger bonuses. I only worked there for five months, and my bonus was >60% of my annual salary.", "It’s end of quarter… how else do you create immediate capital?", "May he soon be visited by 3 ghosts...", ">One of the reasons I am currently refi'ing is because my current mortgage holder fucked up their escrow management and are trying to pass the loss onto us by increasing our mortgage by $300 a month to make up for \"lack of funds in the escrow\".\n\nThis is super common and is just a result of the standard retarded way of collecting escrow. \n\nWhat's likely happening is that they have to have to maintain certain level of cash in the escrow account each month, and you are projected to dip under than minimum level at some point without correcting your escrow payment (even if you are on pace to pay your taxes/insurance by the due date). They aren't calculating how much you'll eventually owe, they are simply calculating your projected month to month escrow balance and are making sure it stays above whatever the required level is, even if that means you ultimately overpay into escrow this year. They will do the same reevaluation next year and raise/lower your payments. In my experience this causes the escrow portion to yoyo up and down each year alternating between paying too much, and too little. In the end everything you pay into escrow will be paid out for taxes/insurance, until your mortgage is done, and if anything is left in the account they will send it to you. \n\nThey are not skimming off your escrow account, and they are not passing their losses off to you.", "Golly I hope I'm stronger than last time.\n\nyou're fired, merry christmas.\n\n\\wipes tears with stacks of benjamins\\\n\nit never gets easier \\sniffles\\\n\nnow get the fuck out of my sight", "Probably related to the $86M loss they reported in Q2.\n\nhttps://www.housingwire.com/articles/better-com-reports-86m-loss-in-q2-as-margin-narrows/", "I'm surprised that people who are working for one of the most morally corrupt businesses in the world are surprised the companies behave this way.\n\nShocked pikachu.", "Also, the company had an $86M loss in Q2.\n\nhttps://www.housingwire.com/articles/better-com-reports-86m-loss-in-q2-as-margin-narrows/", "Could this guy be any more wooden and stilted in his delivery? Did he not practice this even one time?\n\nAlso, got to love the unthinking doublespeak. So fucking unaware: “we must change with the market… so we can continue to thrive”", "lol, America summed up in one video: \"Fuck you, I got mine.\"", "How would you lay off 15% of a company remotely?", "I've been in several redundancy consultations (not directly affected) and witnessed several speeches by CEOs and HR before.\n\nThis was a disastrous speech.\n\nCompletely hung the staff out to dry. No backstory on what the consultations (if any) led to. Just WHAM in the face with termination. \n\nAwful and amateurish.", "You’d be surprised how many executive level persons have no actual communication skills or the ability to read/be detail oriented. Coming from someone who deals with them daily.", "I promised myself I wouldn’t cry this time. And, I won’t.", "\"I do not want to do this\"\n\n\"This last time I did this I cried\"\n\nFuck you. Truly just go and stick your head up a Rhinos ass or something.", "I agree, this video really didn't seem all that bad. When your workforce is remote and you need to lay a large percentage off all at once, there isn't really a better way to do it. People always talk about how you shouldn't be loyal to a company because it's just business, then get pikachu face when that businesses needs to restructure and lay people off.", "This is a huge distinction. Companies that lose money (Better does) have a burn rate that determines how much of their cash they burn through each month.\n\nMajor investments (like nearly a billion dollars) often come with riders that obligate staff reductions or reducing burn. The latter often means the former since labor is the single biggest expense for tech-oriented companies.\n\nDoesn’t mean the system isn’t broken or that this guy isn’t an asshole, but cash infusions often result in layoffs when your losing $100m a quarter.", "> This is disgraceful.\n\nGenuine question but how would you have laid off 15% of your workforce if it wasn't like this?", "Yep. I’d personally rather hear it from my boss rather than the CEO but atleast there’s a level of ownership here, despite that ownership being tone deaf.\n\nEnd of the day your company will leave you high and dry if it makes sense on a spreadsheet. Approach your job the same way and you’ll be all the happier.", "I want you to know the last time I did it I cried. This time I hope to be stronger (and shed no tears over the proles).", "Reddit: don't be loyal to an employer, it's just business\n\nAlso reddit: i can't believe a business restructured and laid people off, what a bunch of fucks", ">The best financial decision you can make for yourself as a homebuyer/owner, is the \n> \n>edit \n> \n> cheapest debt you can get. Full stop. \n\nYou're calling them out for making a bad analogy, but you're missing the entire point of the analogy when you restate the above.\n\nThe whole point is that getting a thing at the absolute cheapest possible price is what allows companies to do crappy stuff like this. At some point you have to either decide to make conscious choices or accept that the race to the bottom is being fuelled in part by you.", "ThIs Is So HaRd FoR mE tO dO", "We don't know the conditions of that cash, it could be dependant on the company pivoting or restructuring in such a way that makes laying people off inevitable.", "r/antiwork: don't be loyal to an employer because your services are just a business transaction\n\nalso r/antiwork: i can't believe this company wasn’t loyal when they no longer needed me", "To all those criticising the CEO for how he did it. What would you do to make it better, genuinely? It's not easy at all.\n\n* Explain in more detail why he has to let them go? Likely, legal & HR would consider this a risk, giving ppl ammo to sue. \n* Don't do a mass zoom call? The alternative is doing it piecemeal, which would take at least days, if you want to deliver the message with personal conversation. That way, rumours spread quickly and disrupts everybody, both fired and non-fired people. In his words 'I'd prefer you to hear this from me first hand'.\n* Show more empathy? Sure, it's up to the leader's character, he could say more nice things about everybody, but it's hard to not be perceived as sugarcoating. Or deliver the message bare bones, hard, clear and upfront. Imo he could show empathy by promising people to get individual assistance if they are facing hardship, or saying something like 'you can always reach out to me' - but that's of course hard to scale when you have hundreds of ppl affected.", "What a piss poor leader. \n\nWho the fuck lays people off and then blames the people that got laid off? Fucking idiot. The reason people had to leave is because HE fucked up. Not the people working there.\n\nThat 14% are better off not working for this excuse making loser.", "The necessity to lay off 15% of employees means that management and leadership has failed.\n\nThat's literally their job, find the right people and enable them to succeed. The problems that lead to a 15% lay off can also be result of poor executive decisions and guiding the company in the wrong direction.\n\nWhat bewilders me is that after a \"restructuring\" execs and management get raises? So they fail at their job and they get raises?\n\nYou want a more profitable company? The investors should sack the CEO and management when they reach that point.", "Find me a financial institution that hasn’t laid people off before. They all do “crappy stuff” like laying people off, which is unfortunately a reality of the highs and lows of the mortgage market. \nThere are plenty of ways in life you can maximize your positive impact on the world. Making a poor financial decision with you home (in my opinion) is not the best place to do it.", "While he focused too much on himself, I don't disagree with his overall message. In a situation where you're laying off 900 employees you need to be honest and direct. You seem to be implying that a business's only reason to let people go is because they are struggling for cash - this is not the case. Sometimes a business will pivot or restructure to meet their future goals, and people's jobs become redundant.", "I guess my question was rhetorical because yes, I've dealt with a few CEOs in my career as well as many, many corporate ladder climbers. In my experience, drinking the corporate kool-aid supersedes any skill.", "Soooo many mortgage companies have had layoffs in the past 2 years. Good luck.", "You can also tell because there are already a host of best practices to choose from when conducting RIFs, and that leadership team clearly made zero effort around choosing any of them.", "I was part of this as was my coworker whose mom passed away the night before so he had no clue until my boss called and broke the news to him.", "If he really felt good workers were \"unlucky\" and that he really feels bad for them, then here's what he should have done:\n\nRoll a twenty sided dice. If the result was a 1, 2, or 3 (15% probability) then he also has to leave the company. His shares will not be kept, but will be forfeit back to the company in which he no longer holds a stake. That would reduce the number of layoffs that would be required.\n\nWhen you work for a company, you dedicate a portion of your life to they company. When you get laid off, you just lossed a part of your life forever. If a leader wants to act like just one of the workers, then they need to put their money where their mouth is and get the same deal.", "It never ceases to amaze me how little people understand about the world of business", "Tough to pull off if your whole workforce works from home. That's 1,200 people and that news will have travelled much faster than the manager. That's how you get total chaos and is why mass layoffs come as large announcements and not one on ones.", "Wait, the last time he had to do this? He does this often?", "> How would you fire people?\n\n-\n\n> Just don't.\n\nLe reddit moment.", ">In a situation where you're laying off 900 employees you need to be honest and direct.\n\nYes, which is why he should have gone straight from \"I come to you with not great news\" to \"We are laying off about 15% of the company.\" The minute of gibberish in between was idiotic and insensitive. \n\n>You seem to be implying that a business's only reason to let people go is because they are struggling for cash\n\nOf course not. But you shouldn't mention how the company is thriving to an audience of people you're leaving behind. Tone-deaf and again, insensitive.", "It’s worth noting that better.com is paying severance through the end of the December to those layed-off. There bleeding money and just received cash infusion this shit happens all the time", ">The company is losing money, which is why it needed a cash infusion for investors.\n\nThe company has been bragging about revenue growth during the pandemic. \n\n\"“When the pandemic started we were doing less than sort of like $50 million a month of revenue,” he said at the time. “We’re two-and-a half times that now.”\"\n\nThis cash is from investors buying shares before the company goes public and has nothing to do with losing money. This agreement has been in place for something like a year.\n\n>Everyone knows this, which is why, when companies are losing 86million a quarter, companies do this.\n\nCan you show me where you got that number from? Everything so far shows that the company is healthy and if they somehow posted an $86M deficit it likely has to do with something in their accounting rather than poor performance.", "Hey, I agree that organizations (not just businesses, but also not-for-profit entities) sometimes need to restructure or reduce FTEs to stay solvent. If a company has 1,000 employees, it's much better for 150 of them to be termed than it is for all 1,000 to be. Unfortunately, organizations can't just run on hopes and dreams. \n \nThat said, the expectation is that you don't behave like a complete sociopath when doing this. Have employees sit down with their leaders and an HRBP and give them time to ask questions. Then, the CEO can have an all company call about lay-offs, say that those that are affected have already been notified, not make it about themselves, and pretty much do everything differently.", "Why does he talk like a sociopath would talk? Monotone, mixing in truth with lies, downplaying his accountability.", "I feel for that dude watching. Hearing the breathing I can tell he is getting misty eyed. Hope he finds something better in the new year", "> Yep. I’d personally rather hear it from my boss rather than the CEO but atleast there’s a level of ownership here, despite that ownership being tone deaf.\n\n100%, the 'last time I did this I cried' - I'm getting fired dont try to get me to empathise with you.\n\n> End of the day your company will leave you high and dry if it makes sense on a spreadsheet. Approach your job the same way and you’ll be all the happier.\n\nWords to live by honestly. Once you accept it's purely a business transaction and nothing personal, and it's all a bit of a game, even the empty promises of raises that never come, you'll probably end up earning more and being happier at the same time.", "Excuse me for not just saying the obvious way to do it which would be in person one on one.\n\nThere is no excuse for these large companies to do large-scale layoffs at the end of a quarter because they will be back to that original employee count within the next year. Making shareholders or potential investors happy because the numbers are bigger now isn't an excuse anyone should support.", "My company laid off a good chunk of people about a year ago and went the 1:1 route with managers. Word got out what was happening in Slack early in the process and it was an absolute shit-show.", "You understand that revenue growing isn't the same thing as not losing money, right?", "Seems like the got rid of entire departments, not low performers. And they did it a month before Christmas, without warning. This company now has the remaining 85% of employees completely on edge, in one of the best hiring markets in our lifetime. Not a great move.", "May he live a short and exciting life full of karma and justice", "> Seems like the got rid of entire departments, not low performers.\n\nSo? They clearly don't need those departments right now then.\n\n> And they did it a month before Christmas, without warning\n\nThey're giving ~3 months severence, that is your warning. What did you expect \"We might fire you in 3 months\"?\n\n> This company now has the remaining 85% of employees completely on edge, in one of the best hiring markets in our lifetime.\n\nSo is this a horrible thing to happen or is this 3 months of severence in one of the best hiring markets in our lifetime?", "Obviously, but if you look at the situation they are in it doesn't look like they are a company consistently losing $80M a quarter. A tenfold valuation from $600M to $6B from 2019 to 2021 and a $1.7B investment from Softbank and you only fire enough people to not even break even? I don't buy that.", "Layoffs are not always the result of mismanagement by leadership. They can be, but this is not a hard and fast rule. If you want to grow as a business you take calculated risks, and if you want to grow fast you take even larger risks. Their employment decisions were based on the market continuing the trends that they have seen over the past few years. If the market doesn't continue to behave in the same manner they likely knew they'd need to lay people off and had a plan in place for that scenario. You could say that their bet on the market didn't pay off, but that's not necessarily mismanagement. Bonuses for management, while obviously a bad look in times like this, aren't entirely illogical as this could actually be management performing in the way that was planned, preserving the company's liquidity rather than wasting it on unnecessary labor.", "Feel so bad for the guy recording...\n\nLosing your job is among the toughest things and should be more regulated in the US like it is in a lot of other countries. It's your bread and butter, your childrens shoes, meals, roof over their head.\n\nReally sad to watch, I empathize.", ">The company has been bragging about revenue growth during the pandemic. \n\n\nRevenue is just money coming in but you can still be in the red. For example if you're a grocery store you can open up 5 more locations to expand, which would almost certainly bring in more revenue, but if those new stores are underperforming then it would have been better you didn't expand at all.", "This was literally the worst vid of a “leader” I have ever seen. This guy’s posture already makes me want to punch him in the face. It’s so disrespectful, even for a video. I have been more moved by High School Valedictorians. Fuck this dude.", "Or don't, because it's not really working.", "He said 4 weeks of severance.", "Can I offer you an egg in this trying time?", "> Yes, which is why he should have gone straight from \"I come to you with not great news\" to \"We are laying off about 15% of the company.\" The minute of gibberish in between was idiotic and insensitive.\n\nYeah I agree that's why I said he focused too much on himself.\n\n> Of course not. But you shouldn't mention how the company is thriving to an audience of people you're leaving behind. Tone-deaf and again, insensitive.\n\nYou're misunderstood the message - he's saying the company has thrived in the past and in response to a changing market, they need to let people go to continue to thrive. It's not dropping dead weight, it's adapting to a market that's changed.", "Obviously revenue is not profit, but they fired enough employees to recoup maybe $25M a quarter. If they were actually bleeding $80M a quarter there is no way the company would still attract investment and have a valuation 10x higher than at the start of the pandemic.", ">Excuse me for not just saying the obvious way to do it which would be in person one on one.\n\nThey clearly have a sizeable if not large majority work from home workforce.", "The only good thing that was \"great\" about getting laid off by a scummy company on 12/30 a few years back was that I called up Medicaid on Jan 2nd and qualified for the year since my expected income was below AHCA qualifications. I was hired for a job Jan 9th and got to keep Medicaid.", "4 weeks of severance.\n\nAnd yes it's horrible.\n\nGrow up, you mr big bad internet CEO.", "You can still do it one on one over the course of a week or two.", "Ah, a bunch of SPACkers", "I went with a credit union and they sold it almost the same minute. We've been with the credit union for 20 years. The entire market is doing this BS. I just wanted a local contact even if it cost me a bit more.", "Employees talk to each other. After the first handful of nice polite 1-1 talks the entire company will be in full blown panic mode wondering what the hell is going on.", "I'm upvoting this because it deserves to be upvoted. It's accurate, and an important detail to understand the issue. It also sits in direct opposition to the general sentiment of the discussion and this sub. I sometimes find myself typing stuff like this and then delete it because people just downvote stuff like this into oblivion. I wish they wouldn't.", "As someone that worked for some very large companies and now owns my own small business I think its nuts that people work long hours, are expected to give a shit for a corporation that its only beholden to shareholder value.\n\nOn one hand I am ok with companies laying people off and making moves to stay afloat. On the other hand when I see stories like the recent one where Elon was asking everyone to work late and skip the holidays I can't help but roll my eyes.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nWork hard, try to get compensated, spend time for yourself and your family, and if your employer doesn't work for you then look for another job.", "I was on vacation when my layoff call came.", "If the shoe fits right.", "Reminds me of Up In the Air with George Clooney and Anna Kendrick.", "Ah now wonder my scheduled call with a Better agent just never happened with no word as to why! The new guy who reached out a week later said \"stuff had been hectic\" and now I know why...glad I'm looking into some alternative lenders.", "A country for sociopaths, by sociopaths.", "What about immediate termination, rather than a 2-3 week notice? That seems pretty shitty.", "Nah man, just shoot them a text message and tell them to fuck themselves. Imagine being as much of an asshole as you.", ">Which isn't required by law, and is IMO the only thing that actually matters to the employees.\n\nExcept, you know, having a fucking job you psychopath.", "What a bunch of souless bullshit. \n\nThe defenders using the tired \"it's just business\" excuse is why we're all fucked.\n\nMore pain to keep the rich, rich. We just keep feeding that machine.\n\nThis way of doing things should be reviled. The owners, CEOs and other controlling interests involved should be shamed for it. Defending it is absurd.", "He get that he’s probably an asshole who does this for the wrong reasons, but even it wasn’t the case, how is anyone supposed to announce such bad news ?", ">You would skip over better and ally even if they offered you better loan terms?\n\nNot the person you replied to, but that is kind of the idea of doing business elsewhere when you have scruples.\n\nHaving a conscious is more important to some people than min-maxing finances.", "lol this guy, \"this time I hope to be stronger\". God, what a hero./s\n\n&#x200B;\n\nTo the person that got laid off. Don't shed tears over some corporation bro, let it be a lesson to you, the thing that matters most to companies like that is the bottom line, not you.", "Lol fuck, I just refinanced with them too 🙃", "It's too bad you were not truthful when writing the title, riddling people up by misleading them really weakens your point, while mentioning the 25 millions would have been totally enough.", "That comment makes it clear this was completely off the cuff. For God’s sake, you’re laying these people off right before Christmas, show them the respect of dressing up, sitting up in your chair, and preparing a speech ahead of time for them to at least show you actually give half a shit, rather than just paying lip-service.", "I wonder what you could do with the money you save/make by making educated decisions with your finances.", "Good to know, I will look into this! Thanks!", "Did you ever wonder \"damn, why don't I have friends in my life?\" because I could tell you why.", "Yea fine, with extra months benefits.\n\nSounds like that's pretty good for the US.", "With extra months benefits right.\n\nGrow up? I'm not the one crying about a business doing the same thing everyone will tell you to do too.\n\nThe moment a company isn't the best value to you and you can do better, drop them. You don't owe them more than your contract. That goes both ways.\n\nThere's never been a better time to get fired. Almost every industry is desperate for talent.", "> Me, I, Me, My Career, I cried, Me, Me, I, Me, I\n\nSociopath", "This sorta thing shouldn't be \"his decision\", especially when he's getting such a huge payout for it.. This is why we desperately NEED more workplace democracy!", "I am going to be honest. I would staple you to a fucking wall and burn you alive for a billion dollars, and I don't even know you!", "It's actually way worse when he makes it about himself and how he cried last he did this. He's talking how its really hard for him and tough for him and you should hear it from him over slack.\n\nJust pathetic stuff from someone who is a superior in a company, let alone the CEO.", "I'm a different person fyi\n\nWe have never interacted before", "Hopefully their severance is decent. If they get a cash infusion like that and don't give their employees at least 8 weeks severance, then nobody will want to work there again.", "I'm pretty sure laying people off for \"productivity\" Is called being fired", "I've been through multiple layoffs where this is how they did it. And frankly it was always awful. Once word gets out, everyone just sits and waits for their name to be called into the office. It's excruciating. \n\nHe could have delivered this news better, but I'd much rather have it done like this than get put through the stress of wondering when/if the hammer is gonna fall on me.", "Zoom has a feature that can fingerprint audio and could identify an individual if it was enabled.\n\nhttps://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360021839031-Adding-audio-watermark", "They get 4 weeks severance", "Tech is high risk high reward. You might lose money here and there, but if something hits, whoaboy, you might just end up the next jeff fucking bezos.", "4 weeks pay.\n1 month health insurance.\n2 months COBRA with premium paid.\n\nDecember/January is a fucking TOUGH time to be job hunting.", "Hopefully they will get a total PR chaos with this shitshow too.", "Haha! His LinkedIn profile says “We’re hiring!!” What a fucking joke", "They are still getting paid. It is better for the employee to immediately get fired but still get paid for a full month. Now they can use that time looking for employment while still getting paid instead of working to get paid with the knowledge that at the end they dont have a job", "\"You're all losing your jobs, but we need to to keep doing them for the rest of the year\" doesn't seem like the best motivation to come in and do a good job til the end.\n\nSure, ideally it could work. Tell people in November that X departments/jobs will be made redundant by the end of the year. Gives people a chance to look for jobs and plan. But that would definitely be a rarity when it comes to layoffs. Instant changes like these are the norm. Not a great situation, but that's just kind of how it works.", "Old Marty McFly got sacked via Zoom in 2015. He was ahead of his time.", "Why would it affect him. It's business. Sometimes it goes well, sometimes it doesn't go well.", "Just a normal shitty day in the corporate world, but we'll never really know if executives couldn't accept making less money if the company does poorly and decide to pay themselves exactly the same (or more!) by just firing a bunch of people. That's my cynical thoughts right there.", "IS there a company in existence that hasn't laid off employees before?", "Sweet. Extended vacation", "Here is a man with real contempt for poor working people.", "Yeah, that's fucked. What an asshole.", "If you're really boycotting every company that lays off employees...man.....\n\nAvoid all CVS locations I guess because they laid off me and a few hundred people with a PowerPoint about 20x more callous than this video, with no severance, after they bought the company.", "In a sense the organization, under the leadership of this douche, hemorrhages money. He gets to keep his job AND gets another go at pissing away 3/4's of a billion dollars to hopefully (HOPEFULLY) squeeze even more blood from the corrupt bloated disgusting abusive real estate market. \n\nI think that while people might not grasp the semantic point you are making about personal enrichment - the downvotes land because this semantic delineation is moving around the deck chairs on the titanic.", "They were churning through editors since by watching it means you've been let go. I think we were all just laid off by better.com....", "What if their manager is included in the layoffs?", "I’m upvoting because painful truth =/= downvote and should be encouraged", "Right? They give you monthly statements. If there was a legit \"we lost your money\" component you should be able to tell. Otherwise it's not unexpected for your property taxes and home insurance costs to rise, particularly during such a weird real estate market, governments seeking bonds to pay for shit, and general inflation.", "what a fucked up move.", "Not sure if they pay but they do ask for permission, especially if they use it in a newscast.", "You're really obsessed with age for some reason. No one gives a shit that you're 33.", "More like most of reddit really really really hates the truth when it doesn't conform to their personal narrative and often limited understanding of the subject at hand.....", "I wonder if it includes bonuses. My company did that during their layoffs although they are probably a bit more generous than most.", "You ever wonder if you get into all of these arguments online because you're abrasive and unlikable, Mr. 33?", "Great now they’re going to need to lay more people off /s", "Emile Durkheim and anome!", "Never heard of them and will add to list of do not support.", "I don't think so because unlike 99% of the posts on that sub this actually happened.", "Aaaand you literally ignored their last sentence which completely negates your comment..........", "That's a valid answer if you live in one of the many countries where this kind of thing is illegal. Somehow companies there manage to survive.\n\nI understand that having good worker's rights must sound crazy to Americans, but it is actually a thing that's possible.", "You misspelled humanity", "They posted it on tik tok too -same person", "wow that's some sigma grindset typa talk. what a psycho.", "Oh of course it´s Soft Bank funding them. They love to burn money.", "It was a weird realization that many companies hemorrhage money like this at the start but turn it around at some point. Burning through $100m a quarter is chump change if investors are convinced that you're building something big enough. \n\nIn this example better has a market cap of $7.7 billion, so it could just sell stock and continue burning at that rate for almost 20 years before they run out of cash. When you look at it from that perspective eating $100m a quarter is practically conservative.", "He probably picked himself up from his bootstraps.", "Credit unions also resell your mortgage. They also most often offer a poorer customer experience.\n\nThey do offer better rates more often than not, though.", ">The audio watermark, or audio signature, embeds a user's personal information into the audio as an inaudible watermark if they record during a meeting. If the audio file is shared without permission, Zoom can help identify which participant recorded the meeting.\n\nThis is easily circumvented when you record the audio using another device, such as a cell phone, instead of recording it via the PC connected to the meeting. Also, while not specific to the OP's video, Zoom cannot identify a specific user via the audio watermark unless it is longer than 2 minutes.", "So venture capitalism is like the lottery for billionaires", "What an evil company. Fuck them. Let them go bankrupt. They are already morally bankrupt.", "Reminds me of that scene in Moneyball where he is taught how to break the news of a trade. That’s exactly how it should be here as well.", "Oh no my comment is negated.", "Losing your job wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't for all the inflated payments you are forced into to survive in life.\n\nGovernments could easily enact policies that result in a oversupply of everything you need, housing, cars, energy you name it, could easily be made affordable, all it would take is a normal, compassionate person being elected to the white house. \n\nI will never understand why boomers decided to set the world up they way they did, but it doesn't have to stay this way.", "Too bad their aren't enough empaths in the world to actually take that point of view and act upon it.", "I wouldn't say that. You have a much much much much smaller chance of winning the lottery.", "These are the kind of people America chooses as CEOs Lolol. Dumb fucks.", "The issue isn't that people were fired it is how they were fired. As an apparent 40 year old man you should have enough life experience to understand the distinction", "It was going to happen sooner or later you can’t expect be giving out mortgages when there’s no people left to give mortgages it’s just a bad company structure into becoming self sustainable not to mention the competition of bigger companies Better was fighting against. The mistake the CEO did was, they hired too many people when they was growing too fast. Which falls under the CEO for not setting up a strategic plan. Now he looks like a moron. He’d be lucky if his company goes public now just because of the video showing his lack CEO expertise and the amount of exposure he got. If feel bad for the people that got laid off but shit happens all the time and I’m happy I didn’t took their job offer on November of last year because this was exactly what I was thinking would happen. Best of luck to everyone.", "Except the only reason the stock is so highly valued is investor belief that one day they'll turn a profit.", "I mean.. it's cold with out a doubt. But I'm not surprised from a larger organization. \n\nYou earn money remotely. Many are hired remotely. Why not terminated remotely? Phone call out of the blue? Random email? A sudden meeting scheduled with a flight just to show up and get fired? They all suck.", "Behold, corporate greed.", "I don't know the details of the technology Zoom is using but there are definitely way of doing it even through multiple audio recordings. People would have their audio muted on their PS3s playing pirated camrips with terrible audio.\n\nhttps://blog.dvdfab.cn/cinavia-protection.html", "I've had the pleasure of being laid off in a group meeting of about 30 people. It was the windowed board room and the CEO's Ferrari was parked right outside in plain view. As soon as it became apparent what was happening a few of us walked out.\n\nBTW, the CEO was the son of the owner of the parent company. He had installed his son as CEO to get experience before working on something important. He was maybe 25.", "If you're someone in the industry, then you know that yes you never use one of the online lenders for a purchase transaction. It's almost all \"green\" sales staff and underwriters who are going to over-condition the loan and have no idea how to work a loan file efficiently. You're almost certainly going to run into delays and headaches that make the $14 a month in savings not worth it. Selling agents generally caution their clients against accepting offers with one of the internet lenders for this reason.", "> pretend to get really mad, and pretend to get ouraged and voice about virtues and values to feel good about yourself and feel really ethical.\n\nReddit in a nutshell. Honestly its probably one of the worst bits of social media. Sites like Reddit catch wind of someone behaving poorly, get upset and then go and actively try and get them fried. Trying to fuck up someones life for things they wont care about a few days later.", "Yea, or just a borderline scam.", "Most of these weren't start-up employees. They were brand new loan officers brought in within the last 18 months because they needed to put a warm body with an NMLS number on the paperwork and someone to act as a go-between for underwriting. That works great on refinances which is where they were making a killing as there's no real time constraints, but those have now mostly dried up so these staff are no longer necessary. It's an unfortunately common practice with bigger lenders in the mortgage space.", "Yup. My startup was in the process of being acquired and the first thing that happened was a layoff before the acquisition happened. Not the same as better.com but I can understand", "The longer they burn, the more the stock is diluted, the less it's worth, the less runway they have. No investor is going to let them keep burning like that for 20 years, that 7.7 would disappear in a day if they missed financial benchmarks for too long, cutting costs is the only way to survive.", "He has massive equity in the company... so sure the company got $750M, but if he has $1B of equity in the company, is it really that unfair to say he is the primary beneficiary of the $750M?", "This guys is a piece of shit. He can fake cry as much as he wants. I know he’s sleeping well at night so my comment on Reddit doesn’t matter. But fuck this guy.", "I'd be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt and say it was just poorly worded. But, yeah, the title is wrong and paints a much worse picture than reality.", "This is so dark... I'm a founder of a tiny company (14 full time employees). Today during our weekly 'this 60 minute hangout call is for everyone who wants to talk shit on friday' hangout one of our team members asked what would make me happy as a director. Told them that when we are all in our 90s, I want my company to be the best place they have ever worked for.\n\nSeeing this MTF act like that makes me really upset. Myself and co-founders made some challenging calls and will have to do so in the future also, but you treat people with respect. If you can't have a meaningful conversation with individuals, get your managers to do so, but don't turn your back on your people. This is some 1984 shit.", "Been laid off several times. Group layoff like this but in person and individually by my direct manager. IMO being told by your direct manager is the best (least shitty) way. Often they have nothing to do with the decision so are just as upset and surprised as you so are more compassionate.", "True. I'm sure some will be taking a pay cut if they change industries.", "More like Worse.com", "Seems to me like he is trying to take responsibility for the decision. This isn't a scenario where the manager is firing the person, the CEO and executive board had to make the decision, so him being the one to communicate the outcome is the right thing to do.", "Have you ever actually implemented a RIF? This isn't \"my scenario,\" it's leading practice. Yes, there will be some rumblings for a few days, but (1) the goal is to get through notification discussions in a short timeframe, and (2) there will be rumblings anyway - you're never going to keep a RIF completely secret. \n \nFiguring out who should be present in notification meetings is fairly straightforward with a few caveats. Use the Supervisor field within the HRIS and start from there. This part will happen behind closed doors and will take more than 3 days - the RIF process isn't a one or two day process anyway since you have to identify individuals that will be termed, evaluate against adverse impact, ensure compliance with labor laws, think through the timing and process, and get all of the pieces ready. This will even be the case if your CEO goes on Zoom and breaks the news. \n \nAnd no, you don't have to do it all in-person. Notification meetings over Zoom, Teams, etc. are fine if everyone is remote. \n \nOffering severance and benefit continuation is nothing special either. I'd say it's pretty much expected from a financial services firm. And no, severance isn't the only thing that employees care about. If you've ever been in a notification meeting, you'll know that emotions range from anger, to confusion, to disbelief, to silence, and those negative emotions don't go away when you say, \"Oh, hey, by the way you're getting severance and we've hired a placement firm to help you land on your feet.\"", "Thank you for not being an absolute fucking idiot. Holy shit the amount of people on here that are completely delusional about this situation is insane.", "That's great, but you don't know my age. \n\nAnyways, it's been fun messing with you. At the start of this I was only aware of news about Better from earlier this year which was why I asked for a source on their losses (Didn't see your source on Google immediately), but your response was so arrogant and asshole-like I decided to argue out my ass and fuck with you. I've looked through the filing and some more news and see that their last two quarters have been poor due to reduced activity likely due to increasing interest rates, covid, and the strong previous 2 years for restructured mortgages. It makes sense the investment was probably tied to restructuring, that still doesn't mean I agree that they couldn't carry these employees until next year sometime when the market could have improved. They had a strong balance sheet in 2020 and cash on hand (from what I remember from the filing), so even without the injection they could have held on to them longer than they did. They probably did plan on keeping them on until next year but the investment agreement was pushed up. Doesn't excuse the piss poor handling of firing them over zoom.\n\nI will take the L on the one to two week comment. I didn't really think that through before I posted and when I went back to edit it, reddit had gone down and someone commented. One on one meetings for a company this size would probably take a day or two with some planning and anything longer than 3 days is obviously long. That said, I've never been let go and have only worked for small and medium businesses. \n\nI don't plan on giving you my age though, kind of a weird thing to fixate on man.", "Or it means that these employees served their useful purpose of gaining as much refinance business as possible, and now that the market is largely dried up they're no longer necessary. The harsh reality is that a lot of companies hire staff knowing they plan to terminate them in the not so distant future. They've already had the severance factored into that as a cost of doing business. Their profits during last year and the beginning of this year more than made up for this cost.", "Its like \"The Fifth Element\" in actual practice. \"Fire a million\"!", "You can drop the martyr act. The very fact that there's a reason this happens doesn't mean it's a good reason, or that it SHOULD happen, or that we should all be okay with tech megacorps and their execs that burn through capital at the expense of the labor. It doesn't mean we should just accept labor casualties like this because some rich guy signed a contract. You make it sound like he was forced at gunpoint to accept $1.5B and fire 15% of his company's staff a month before Christmas and we should all consider how bad he must feel about it.\n\n\"This happens all the time and is totally normal\" is not good news, it's still bad fucking news.", "That's the most deceptive title imaginable lmfao", "You make a good point. So here goes. IF you really care about people and you have hard choices to make as a business, keep in mind that Zoom plans to be in business past this downturn and would like to be seen as an employer that is a good social citizen. Spend the time, put together a support system to allow people to reach out for counseling (job loss is one of the most traumatic life events), resume support, extreme hardship application, placement resources, even if with a competitor, say how you’re trying to get it back on track so this doesn’t happen again. As a small business owner I’m just spitballing here. \n\nIt’s the difference between telling someone suffering, “let me know if I can do anything” OR showing up with a pot of mac & cheese without needing to be asked. Some people care, and some people just say they care. Put these resources in place before you make this call. Make them available to all laid off workers. Will it be perfect? No. But it’s better than this turd sandwich of a meeting he put out there.", "You genuinely think it's inconceivable that a CEO is sad his company is failing and that he has to let people go?", "checks notes\n\n\"This decision was really really hard\"", "Your comments were a breath of fresh air.", "YouTube had zero revenue until Google bought them. It cost them a ton of money in engineers, hardware, server maint, etc.\n\nThey got literally \\one\\ payday, and it was $1.65 billion.", "That's just wow. So my wife runs her own clinic and when the pandemic shut downs happened, people just stayed home, rather than go to the doctor for the minor things and just dealt with the other things they would usually come in for. \n\nSo, the clinic took a bath in the second quarter and was still struggling in the third quarter as people started to head back to the doctor. While we had the cash reserves to exist for a couple quarters on basically 0 revenue, we didn't plan for over half a year of bad income (that would be rare at best in a medical practice). Keep in mind that even if things picked up that second it takes around 2 - 3 months to get payments from insurance companies and even then it can unpredictable income for a couple of three months. \n\nAnyway, my point is we struggled and made some hard calls. The first was my wife took a pay cut and I stopped getting my consultant fees for various IT jobs I was doing around the office. Second, we cut back on supplies and other (more or less) automated purchases that we had coming in. Third we tightened the belt on how the office was run. We couldn't afford the twice weekly lunches, the parking validation, marketing (we slashed our budget in half), and we trimmed down on as may utilities as possible (we were already going green and we were trying to get various cost saving technologies in place). We also had two employees volunteer for part time, which saved a TON of cash. We didn't even ask, it was just good timing for them.\n\nAnyway, my point being is that everyone has to make hard choices. He could have cut pay across the board by 10%, he could have rejected his bonus, he could have decided to fund some of his employees with that bonus, etc....What he did is everything that is wrong with this world.", "I really hate to say this, but if you guys genuinely believe that 750m goes directly to him, you're completely unfit to be in his place, or in any leadership position frankly.", "I remember when people were sceptical about whether Amazon was ever going to turn a profit.", "It’s a moronic clickbait title.", "The rules are made up and the points don’t matter", "Yeah it's part of the company's restructuring deal dumbass, do you know fucking anything about how company's are funded AT ALL? Do you think banks just invest hundreds of millions of dollars without strict stipulations?\n\nAlso don't act like your didn't intentionally word that title to make it seem like HE got that money personally. 0 shame", "That’s not a grammar mistake.", "Doubling down on video length these people have watch a less than thirty second video and do it. Its wild. Everyone loses their cool sometimes. You never seen what led up to it. Back in high school i had a GF who would mess with me all day. Then finally i'd lose it in front of people. I dont recall exactly because we were around 16yo so a long time ago. But i bet if someone had recorded me during one of those events i'd look like an asshole.", "This company gives $15 stipend for lunch daily as well as unlimited PTO. There was definitely room elsewhere but I believe that the 750m in funding from VC included a stipulation to reduce headcount. Awful. They will rehire employees at an incredibly lower salary, I’m sure.", "Tsla is a good example to study. They had basically worn out their welcome by the time they turned a profit. Netflix is another good example", "On a slightly related note, anyone remember the movie, \"Up in the Air\" from 2009?", "fuck this guy. \"the last time i did it i cried\" prefacing a firing is 100% an attempt at a manipulation tactic and only made me hate this guy more.", "The living embodiment of a piece of shit.", "I mean in all seriousness running a company during a bad year has got to take a toll.", "good thing he didn't make any noises that Zoom picked up to fingerprint.\n\nHe was watching a pre recorded video, he wasn't participating in a call.", "it's a fair assessment and decision to make when you're dealing with that of course but the one line about how he cried last time he had to do this BEFORE saying he had to fire 15% of the company is full manipulation bullshit. might be the right choice for the company but this ceo is a fucking dick whether or not he intended on being one.", "# Fellow redditors, as the sub rules dictate, can we make sure we DO NOT accidentally witch-hunt and destroy Vishal Garg's career? Can we make sure we do not make Vishal Garg homeless or, for example, sued or jailed? We also don't want to make him annoyed or irritated at our response! It is vitally important that those of us who can affect Vishal's career DO NOTHING about it. I repeat, we do not want to break the sub's rules! It's very important! Thank you for abiding by the sub rules!", "OK but I can't get outraged if the title of the video is \"Company losing money lays off 15% of employees to avoid insolvency\".", "I wouldn't assume this guy is making decisions based on sound financial reasoning. For example, Elana Knoll's absurd compensation and stock option package.\n\nThey went the SPAC route for a reason. Morgan Stanley dropped them, Goldman cashed out. Pinebrook is suing for, among other things, breach of fiduciary responsibility. Some of this is just the game, but most of it points to incompetent - possibly negligent - leadership.", "Which ones the bad guy?", "Put their desk in the basement and steal the red stapler", "They are trying to explain to you how tech companies work.", "I think the outrage likely comes from the deceptive title which leads the reader to believe that the CEO personally received $750M. The sad part is that a CEO receiving $750M is believable. \n\nI'm more annoyed by how little effort he put into the video itself. Doing it en masse by Zoom may seem heartless but I think it's probably an improvement over trying to do it one on one with everyone waiting to find out if they are getting laid off.", "The right way to do it is to send an email to everyone affected (people can read and process it at their own pace) followed by 1:1s with their managers/HR where they can ask specific questions and give feedback.", "Literally this. Every lender is going to sell your mortgage or at the least consolidate it to one of the major loan servicing companies.", "This is cash to keep the motor running. They're trying to grow out of the hole they're in before they run out of cash again... Clearly they made bad economic and business projections. Or their costs are out of control. Or both.\n\nCutting labor right now in this market - when you know it will cost a lot more in 12-24 months is bonkers. This thing is off the cliff. They're gonna go SPLAT like a watermelon.", "Keep in mind, reducing burn can also mean impacting executive holiday bonuses, which I guaran-fucking-tee you, this company didn't dream of touching.", "Wait what? How’d they screw up escrow and try to pass costs to you? The mortgage payment is on the contract", "What is better.com?", "What’s the big deal? It’s a Business conducting business. It’s not a family, it’s a Business.\n\nit’s not a charity, it’s a business.\n\nWe aren’t here to be friends, it’s a business.\n\nWe each agree to come to this place, to work, to earn, when business needs change, that’s the deal. I feel for those who lost their jobs. But not the end of the world.", "Oh...she wasn't the CEO. And she was in the C-suite for 18 months before the board forced her out because she couldn't play well with others. I mean, not the usual sociopathic exec behavior. So extra that they HAD to get rid of her. It was bad enough that the CEO gave her ridiculous amounts of fully-vested options for absolutely no freaking reason, but she was also an epic asshole to staff? Balls, that one. The reporting on the saga implied it was a big reason why Goldman cashed out. A vote of no confidence.", "Dog eat dog world out there. Prayers go out to those affected.\n\nDamn that was cold! At least they got some severance.", ">Better.com CEO Vishal Garg lays off 15% of employees via Zoom right before the holidays & after receiving $750,000,000\n\n\"for his company\"... Three easy words to add but when your mind is already made up that he is the bad guy, you will push whatever narrative you want.", "Eat him, dig into his chest cavity and scoop out his innards and eat him in front of his family.", "I have no idea what this company is but I certainly won't be finding out. Fuck this smarmy dickwad", "It’s so much simpler than your take. Effective RIFs work through personalized communication from HR business partners and not some haphazardly conducted all hands that made him look like an insufferable, uncaring monster. Everything about how better.com communicated this has been terrible. These people deserve “better”, and luckily in this market they’ll be more likely to find it.", "Cash infusions don't always guarantee layoffs. There are other ways to handle reduction. Corporations opt to layoffs, especially right before the holidays, because holidays are usually slow, and it looks good on the Q4 numbers and SEC reporting, and they can just do that instead of reducing executive bloat and bonuses.", "This argument is operating on the false dichotomy that, if the 150 people weren't laid off, then the only option is that the company goes under, and all 1,000 people are out of a job.", "Yeah, I was going to say I've heard some really bad things about guaranteed rate from people that have worked there.", "If they are requesting too much you just get a refund check at the end of the year (or they'll decrease it next year.) It's pretty normal to be a bit above so there's some buffer for rising taxes.\n\nThat said, nothing wrong with doing your own escrow if you're responsible enough to do it. No real benefit right now with interest rates the way they are but it's good to keep an eye on what's coming in and out.", "Probably a condition of the SPAC and injection from Softbank to trim workforce", "Imagine having so little empathy that you think people are \"pretending\" to get mad over people losing their livelihoods over what's likely bullshit reasons. Shut the fuck up man.", "@youtubednbot", "Because with modern industry standard practices for corporations in modern times, it's highly likely that the reasoning IS pretty fucking evil. Which is why I mentioned bonuses, which for executive leaders, typically goes into the tens of millions, especially for a large enterprise like Better, or just about 2 weeks ago, Citrix.", "> No investor is going to let them keep burning like that for 20 years\n\nInvestors have given Star Citizen $419M in 9 years with no signs of stopping.", "Just don't do business with this company unless you're making them lose money and can make sure they're losing it.", "If you think other lenders don’t do mass layoff, I might have a bridge to sell you.", "Fuck YOU, man. Waiting on that severance email, though...", "A leaked video like this is not going to help that happen. I guess next time he’s going to lay off via email or something.", "I thought we were going somewhere with the Ferrari part. Just saying.", "r/antiwork", "Yeah, if I’m being honest, especially in this work climate, if I saw they had a loss that large, I’m jumping ship before shit like this can happen. Better to move on then be left holding the bag.", "OP I assume you recorded this. I'm so sorry man.", "In big tech companies once you put in your notice or you are laid off you are immediately prevented from accessing any internal system.\n\nIt's more of a security thing. Disgruntled employees may do a lot of damage or try to steal assets/data/credentials.\n\nThey will still get their severance. I can understand that it looks quite cold from an outside perspective but it's an industry norm.", "by your post title I thought he had received it as a bonus, which the amount made unlikely but still, you're intentionally being misleading", "I want to say he was coached to talk like this but this dude is like Dexter after murdering people. He absolutely doesn't give a shit. Especially after saying \"I hope I will be stronger this time around\". This guy needs to be dragged through the coals. He has zero sympathy.", "Star Citizen, i doubt, would be able to raise another $400 million, [better.com](https://better.com) like star citizen have already been given investment by people and both are expected to hit milestones, investors keep asking for more milestones and they pay more money so that's what they are getting. The reason Star citizen can keep raising is because they keep moving the milestones. If star citizen kept not hitting milestones then they would attract less investors. when better.com took on more investment it would of had a clause in it that simply said 'cut costs by % by X days, % by X days, % by X days'.. star citizen 'investors' don't really have a sway over how star citizen is ran as a company other than voting on features they would like in the game, because of this they invest small. if your forking over $750 million you better believe your gonna want a hand on the steering wheel. most CEO's are just a puppet to a board and the work they deliver usually is solely at the direction of the board. They are paid so well as that's how you train lapdogs..", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km6bFBSVty4", "And received a fax as confirmation. Very inclusive of all generations.", "What a fucking cunt. I hope his business tanks.", "My mortgage has been sold 4 times in the past 6 years. I have decent/good credit. Everyone just accepts this shit as \"the way things are\".\n\nIt is stupid.\n\nWe just keep accepting more and more insane shit as normal without taking a step back and saying: \"Wait a minute. I don't give a fuck about all the justifications, and complex factors that lead to some accepted paradigm!\"\n\nA mortgage changing hands every couple years is fucked. Shit moving around that fast is indicative of a broken system chasing temporary success. It isn't about fundamentals. It isn't about intrinsic value of assets. It is about making a margin on the fucking churn. Somebody fucking try to tell me that is a symptom of a robust and sustainable economy.", "\"Any leadership position frankly.\" Sure, thanks, Leader.", "Other than \"Layoff before the holidays\" it probably won't be. The company is losing almost $100 mill per quarter, and that $750 mill was an early cash infusion from investors to the company that likely had a burn reduction clause tied to it. And since most of the workforce is WFH, and mass layoffs are always done in a mass announcement, there wasn't anything unusual other than it being a Zoom call.", "Now with 85% work force they will carry 100% of the load. Profits over People is the corporate way.", "Keep the bootlicking coming hot shot. \"Mega corporations aren't all bad, they're just too complex for you and I to understand and are run by smart people :)\"", "With the anti-work movement so strong nowadays? Who knows, you're probably right tho, but one can dream.", ">This is some 1984 shit.\n\nHave you not read the book?", "If you're front of the line, yes. If you're back of the line and hearing all the rumors, watching the chaos slowly ramp up, and sitting all day with the existential dread of \"will my name be next?\", mass layoff is far better in my experience unless you knew it was coming months ago and had already made peace with it. Likely nobody at this company knew other than HR and the higher ups, and probably had hopes because of the cash infusion.", "Eat the Rich.", "It's hard to do via individual managers in a remote setting. The news will be out over slack the second the first manager says something to the first employee. \n\nIt's also kinda shitty to ask everyone to come in to the office just to lay them off, really there's not a great way to do it.", "I don't actually blame you, the smell and texture of fresh leather is quite amazing.", "The YT account was created just before uploading this. Fun fact: the YT name Dumb Dolphin is a reference to the time the CEO in this video called his employees dumb dolphins.\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2020/11/20/mortgages-fraud-claims-and-dumb-dolphins-a-tangled-past-haunts-bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg", "2 things: I blame Biden/the Democrat party and what was the $750mil for and would it have saved the company?", "I mean did you observe the content of the post or just read the title.\n\nThe CEO quite literally said \"we are laying off about 15% of the company\"", "Have you fired someone before? You’re essentially the one taking someone’s livelihood away and potentially their self-worth. It could be causing months/years of financial anguish to recover the ripple effect.", "Capitalism baby", "As for me, I purposely become facetious and argue in bad faith if I feel someone is misrepresenting my argument or ignoring context, especially if I can get a rise out of them. I don't have the energy to fight people who aren't being genuine anymore and I'm not afraid of the dreaded downvote ruining my precious karma. That last post covers most of my actual positions on this after I actually got a source on their recent quarters and stopped screwing around.", "Lmfao", "They also were a very early investor in Alibaba, which has made them enough money to cover the losses from this company and many more.", "Why do you care other than getting a notification in the mail and maybe having to switch servicers (which I agree is annoying)? It shows there is a liquid market for mortgages and that people can relatively easily choose to reallocate capital where they think it is best.\n\n4 times is a lot, but 2 would be pretty common. Small mortgage issuer sells to aggregator who sells to the end buyer. With COVID I bet a bunch of people freaked out about the mortgage relief program and dumped their portfolio. That's up to 3 pretty easily and all for normal and fine reasons. Maybe they dumped quickly to a 3rd party who had the capital to wait for a good bid, and now we're at 4 trades.\n\nMortgages are extremely commodified, to the point where trading them is the same as trading a barrel of oil. It may be annoying to the homeowner, but the current liquid system also depresses costs which are passed to borrowers as lower interest rates.\n\nSource: traded mortgages", "I cried into my enormous pile of money.", "We get it, you don't give a fuck about other people if you can save a few bucks.", "Because of the pandemic last year, my company had to lay off some people, and during the company meetings, one of the execs casually said they were just \"balancing the checkbooks\". It just a cold way of putting it even if it was all there is, that financially, they had to do lay offs. For people losing their jobs, that is cold to know that you were let go just because the numbers don't add up.", "I am not in the business. I had the same thing happen to me and I was pissed so I tried to figure how they were screwing me over and I discovered how escrow works. My payment went way down the following year. Then up the following year, and so on. \n\nNow I have my mortgage at my credit union and they allow me to pay my own taxes and insurance so no escrow account to deal with.\n\nETA: also escrow payments can legitimately go up because of increases to taxes and insurance. That seemed to happen every year as well", "Sociopathy is characterised by impulsive risk-taking and callousness. You may be confusing sociopathy with psychopathy. Psychopaths can be CEOs, but sociopaths are more likely to be on the streets doing evil.", ">Also having said that; the company is offering 1 month of severance pay + 3 months benefits. Which isn't required by law, and is IMO the only thing that actually matters to the employees.\n\nEven tho I know it already, it always surprises me when I realize that US workers have no rights compared to most of the world. Severance pay is mandatory in most of the world. 1 month is miserable. In my country, which is not very good for worker's rights, you get that at 1 year of work at the company, and get an extra month of pay every year afterwards (or fraction greater than 6 months). You also need to be notified one month in advance. Otherwise, they need to pay you an aditional month.", ">How do you become the CEO of a major company without basic skills in messaging?\n\nVery easily, apparently. This kind of bullshit happens all the time.", "Restructuring and reducing burn rate was a condition for receiving the investment, nothing wrong with that whatsoever.", "Even the part about crying wasn't that bad... until he followed it up with \"I hope to be stronger this time\". WTF, no cry bitch, be sad. Tbh that was the only part that I really agree with calling out.\n\nSaying I cried last time is just a bit eyerolling. IMO.", "A mortgage website", "For some reason people think it's a good idea to drag out big news. I guess some people really do prefer that. I feel like I've seen the \"rip the band-aid\" off approach backfire... I guess that's just what I'd personally prefer. \"Sorry, bad news, here's the bad thing\".", "But hey, he was hoping not to cry and be strong. He did it!", "MTF?", "I had numerous offers rejected because Better was my lender. I'd recommend everyone stay away.", "Nah I’m not saying that. It’s the context. This smacks of their entire corporate attitude. Not every company treats employees like disposable dogshit, esp not a few weeks before Christmas. At least let them get a holiday bonus or something.", "Omg ! I love “who’s line is it Anyway” !!!!", "This happened to me at 3 different loan origination companies / private lenders. I swore I would never work in home financing ever again. When the times are good they're great, and when they're not well this happens all too often.", "Why not have companies cover it instead of the government? It is a situational cost related to firing people. If they resign they don't need to pay it. It makes sense for it to be covered by the private company that hired them on the first place.", "I used to work here a couple of years ago and can confirm firsthand that he is nothing short of a tyrannical douchebag. Similarities to Trump are valid. Elana Knoller also did absolutely nothing in her role as Chief of Staff except but to bully, intimidate, and ultimately indiscriminately terminate anyone whom the “mean girls” of Better Mortgage did not like (including Vishal, since he’s a pussy). It’s a shame that women in leadership roles here are such god damn fucking cunts. Claims of fraud, calling his employees dumb dolphins, etc. There is nothing in this individual that proves him deserving of the billions he’s gained.\n\nSoftBank has a predisposition for investing in companies led by narcissistic individuals with no sense of integrity (ahem, WeWork). Leads you to wonder what they are actually getting out of it at the end of the day.\n\nThis entire situation is disgusting and I hope we all wallstreetbet the situation out of this company. Nothing would happen to the mortgage loans, by the way. They all get sold to the capital markets. \n\nCannot wait to see what the future holds — and whether the world karmically corrects itself and ultimately brings this asshole to ruin.", "Isn't Better mostly a remote work company anyways? Not like you're gonna fly everyone to some central location just to fire them.", "If you ever want to hear a man who has never felt an ounce of remorse in his life here’s the video for you", "How big of an arrogant ass hole do you need to be to make this call about you? No one cares if you cried last time you fucked over a group of people and no one gives a shit if you're stronger this time... You shouldn't be stronger this time cause you're human, it should be even harder because you know how that impacted people after the fact... and then telling your employees they're better off somewhere else is straight up disgusting. \n\nTo the 15%... I wish you the absolute best I hope you land on your feet.", "Remember this next time you consider passing on important life events because your employer said no", "turns out nobody cares about misinformation when it supports their narrative", "Way back in the day I worked for a tech company and a bunch of us nerds hung out on a company IRC server.\n\nWell we all had access to the company ticketing system, and someone commented how \"there's a ticket to shut down so-and-so's phone system and credentials?\". So-and-so was in the channel, he hadn't even been told yet that he was being laid off.", "Why was he filming the zoom call? What did he think it was going to be about?", "I’m in the process of refinancing my home with Ally Bank which is powered by Better Mortgage Company, but haven’t closed yet. Should I back out?", "Fuck yeah, 4 weeks of severance!", "I would slowly apply clown makeup over the course of the call.", "I wonder if you get 8 by watching it twice?", "He doesn't have to make any noises. It's not a voice signature. It's an audio signature. I don't know if recording on another device degrades the audio enough to disable the signature, but it's possible the signature is robust to that.", "It's direct lending. It's an aggressive industry. You're not going to find anything \"nicer\", unless you're prepared to pay an extra 1/4 point above anything Better or similar direct lenders quoted you. They just arrange the origination of the loan. The moment it's closed, the loan is sold off, the servicing is sold off, everything likely flows through the government GSEs, and you never see / hear from them again. \n \nWhen shopping local brokers, credit unions, etc, I couldn't find anyone that could come within even 1/4, maybe 1/2, a point of what the direct lenders were offering. Sometimes you can even get the direct lenders to take a loss on the origination, because they'll make a few bucks selling off the servicing. They thrive on pushing through boat loads of volume. Not on building any kind of friendly long term relationship like a local bank. It's conforming mortgages - it's a commodity industry.", "No but I'm not a CEO. Making decision that will fire tons of people is literally part of their job. \n\nThat's why they are CEO.", "Okay but while we're making these distinctions then, how much does this CEO make and does he still have a job?", "I was laid off a similar way. Only the bitch ass CEO didn’t turn his video on, and did it with a surfer brah voice. Two weeks severance too. Fuck that shitz", "My credit union literally sold our mortgage to another company the day after we closed. This advice is no longer true. Someone else already said it, but people should go with the lowest rate and who can close on time.", "They are getting a severance package. Jesus there is a holiday every month. This is what happens in business. Every company at some point has to lay off employees from time to time. Has nothing to do with being corporate.", "Oh yeah, let me finish. So I walk out and around the building and pissed on the Ferrari while he and everybody watched from the window but could do nothing. They, HR but especially the CEO, were helpless victims just like I was moments earlier. The end.", "4 weeks of severance is garbage severance. That is not even legal in california where 2 months severance for mass layoffs is mandatory. This company is going public at 7.7 billion valuation and adding 1 billion in cash raised. They could of at least given these people more severance. Laying them off with 4 weeks severance first week of December means these people have to scramble to find a job during the holiday season, it is probably the most asshole thing they could have done", "\"Please pray for me guys, this is really hard for me.\"", "You’re not wrong, but I still wouldn’t want to work for a company that does end of the year purges. 15% of the staff… god damn.", "> Yes, we got a statement of the escrow when they told us they were increasing by 300. We were told that the escrow was about 2000 less than they estimated it needed to be at, hence the 300 increase per month. Ive seen small increases and decreases for accounting the escrow, but this is, IMO, is excessive. \n \nSomething doesn't add up here. Escrow is used to pay property taxes and property insurance. If the financing portion of the payment was $1k, and the taxes were another $2400/yr or $200/mo, and the monthly mortgage payment was only ever $1k, and you weren't saving up an extra $200/mo on the side to pay these other things, and you weren't paying these thing separately ... who exactly do you think was going to pay the taxes and insurance? Where would the money come from? \n \nYou get an escrow statement every month. If that escrow statement isn't tracking your taxes and insurance, it should be obvious. If they pulled some fraud and stole your escrow, that's a whole different story. If they lost track of your separate insurance policy, and forced you to buy some other high priced policy, that could be scummy as well.", "Never even heard of better.com", " I learned that lesson at my first job, it was a factory and in March they were told by corporate to cut salary by 10% via layoffs. \n\nSo on April 1st, a Wednesday, they basically just tapped people in the office on the shoulder be asked them to step into an office with their lunch, told them what was happening, and then escorted them out of the office and told them they could clean out their desk that Saturday. \n\nThat was the day I got my first promotion.", "Damn. I can't imagine the frustration of being let go by your CEO who runs a company with massive burn rates, hasn't been able to get the company on track and now has to fire a large portion of his workforce for the SECOND time. I mean, he cried last time so I'm sure it's hard on him.\n\nI'm in no way anti CEO or wealth. Just saying it would be unbearably frustrating to lose your job because the people steering the ship are fucking up (and doing fine themselves). \n\nI used to work in hospitality, I experienced the hell of bad management and how terrible that is. Thing is, it wasn't like I couldn't just walk out the door and find a new job within a block or two. I'm sure these people don't have that same luxury.", "You don't need to pay severance for new hires. It is for each year of work. If you didn't notice a worker wasn't a good fit after a year, it's on you. Also, with your system it would be taken out of the workers paychek to pay for insurance.", "If I was in his position I would just email it lol, why expose yourself like this?", ">The only reproach I've seen on this thread, despite the firing, is on what he said on the video and how he said it and that all comes on how charismatic is the CEO.\n\n'The only reproach I've seen on this thread, despite the action, is what he said and how he said it.' \nIf we can't criticize them for what they did, nor what they say then what can we criticize them for?", "It’s your money. If you can find another company with the same or better rate - go ahead. Otherwise, not worth taking a bath financially for this because of this asshole. You can’t teach him a lesson by losing money yourself. Otherwise, if you aren’t in too deep and can shift to another mortgage company without losing any $$ or causing any delays with a closing - sure.", "Yes but he should give us free money because I want free money and it shouldn't be possible to be laid off because I don't like it.\n\nIn general I don't like the economy, always hated math and the things I want should be law and the things I don't like should be outlawed.\n\nRather the entire company regardless of value it creates and wealth it creates burns down to the ground than I be laid off. I deserve to work for them FOREVER because that's what I want, also a raise because I like raises.", "No, more like … high stakes poker.\n\nYou don’t even bother with ideas that could be profitable but are relatively small potatoes. It’s a waste of time, energy and top-level talent.\n\nYou place 10 big bets on 10 promising but risky hands, hoping one of them will hit so big it covers the rest.", "Better than what? BetterthanSatan.com", "That’s Michael Bolton?", "I hope to be stronger this time - it's all about him. What an out of touch dick.", "Well said.", "I'm sure that Mr. Garg will dry his tears using 100$ bills while the poor guy who filmed this stands in line at the job centre", "my dude...they're going public, lol\n\ncan't blame biden or democrats for a reverse merger with a SPAC.", "The only reason I can see him doing this is to can “expensive” US citizens to be able to fill the same positions with H1Bs. The crying will be for US immigration, sobbing about how he needs to import wage slaves because everyone in the US is a “dumb dolphin”. \n\nIndians desperate to keep their work visas will gladly eat bowl of shit after bowl of shit. And it’s something US citizens don’t have an appetite for. Nor should they. \n\nThese dudes love onshoring the caste system and he looks like he fancies himself a Brahman who loves to kick the lesser castes’ teeth down their throat.", "So if you didn't make the call you weren't fired. Checkmate scum boss. \n\nAlso to not have the cajones to do that one on one. Bullshit.", "I definitely never said that.", ">If you're someone in the industry, then you know that yes you never use one of the online lenders for a purchase transaction\n\nCan you expand more on this? Genuinely interested in understanding why...I always wondered what the business model of these online lenders really was as it just seemed they only offered specific loan types that you either qualify for or not, reducing closing time because conditions were already fulfilled.", " I think the issue here as /u/Gryioup put it, \n>The necessity to lay off 15% of employees... ...after a \"restructuring\" execs and management get raises? So they fail at their job and they get raises?\n\nThe big wigs are getting raises while they fire folks at the bottom.", "if my employer called me into the office just so I could be terminated, I would take it personally.", "\"I totally cried last time I had to do this!\"", "Sociopath gonna sociopath. Gotta do your best to pretend to care about anything but yourself.", "A very small company I worked for had to lay off a third of employees once. Everyone got called in for 1-on-1s and after the first couple it was obvious what was happening. No work got done. The way they did it though was to invite EVERYONE in for a 1-on-1. So everybody got a turn and a chance to ask questions about what was happening in private, and also you didn’t feel singled out when called to a conference room. \n \nTerrible day! Word spread around the city though, other people in the industry heard and were reaching out to us immediately with job offers. I survived the layoff though.", "Yes, it’s a business decision. People get laid off, CEOs make hard decisions. But he could have done it better (heh) and put in more to the message, put in more resources for employees, etc. Plus if you know his background, he’s not a good dude and came across as too brief, fake, and self-centered. They also didn’t need to shut people out of the company’s systems immediately following the zoom.", "That's built in, really. They know there will be some internal blow back and they'll lose additional members beyond that 15% over the coming months (some in immediate reaction, others who don't like the changes/restructuring, working with out their friends/old coworkers, etc.)\n\nTo be frank, they're kind of banking on that... It shaves even more money, and let's them rewrite jobs (aka give more work for equal or less pay than before), and make new hires to align with the new direction", "If you're on a budget, having escrow is to your benefit.\n\nYour property taxes will almost assuredly increase every year, sometimes by amounts that you cannot predict because of voter initiatives. And at least in my state, while you can spread your payments out over the year, you end up paying more than you do with a lump sum payment out of escrow.\n\nAre you in your first year of home ownership? Did you budget your property taxes based on what the prior owner paid before the house was re-assessed as a result of your purchase?", "It's more than legally obligated, but saying it's good for the US is like saying a bacon and dog-shit sandwich is pretty good as far as eating dog-shit sandwiches goes.", "MacFRY!", "This guy is apparently a serial scammer", "There can be non monetary resources, resume help, placement services, writing letters of recommendation, etc.", "Director of IT, she’s the one that sent us all the invite and bricked our computers", "Investors. No one bought the company. They’re trying to go public and needed more money. In order to get more money, they needed to reduce overhead (staff).", "Hey in 2021 Japan it's totally a realistic scenario to get fired on zoom and receive confirmation via fax. Because the Japanese still use fax for some reason", "As an aside, I despise seeing trite shit statements like “the system is broken.” I know you had to put it in there to avoid mass downvotes but it’s really ridiculous that it’s required and nobody even knows what they are actually trying to say.", "I've worked for just two companies in the last two decades since I got out of high school, but I've been laid off three times and thus have a little bit of experience with it. None of those three layoffs was communicated as poorly as this one, and certainly not on the day that my job was ending.\n\nDid the company really have no one else who could more effectively deliver this message? The name of the company is Better and yet they couldn't find anyone better?", "Unfortunately not all lenders are the same - we had a great refinance opportunity with our current mortgage lender that lasted 3 months, cost hundreds of dollars in documents and inspections, and that they cancelled a week before closing because they took too long doing their own fucking paperwork.\n\nSo yeah, don't get a mortgage with Mr. Cooper.", "Yes, and my point is that this was definitely one of the scenarios management planned for should the market not behave as expected. The planning and execution of this contingency is often a positive for the company and by extension the investors when the reason you have to execute it is out of your control. It's very possible that if they hadn't planned for these market conditions and didn't fire anyone for another 6 months they could be laying off 50% of staff instead of the 9% that they are. If that's the case it's not a failure, but a logical reaction to changing market conditions.\n\nOptically it doesn't look great, but incentivizing good business decisions for management even when it means layoffs is what preserves the possibility of the company to grow in the near future.\n\nAll of that said, I have no idea if these hypothetical conditions apply to this specific situation, but it's certainly possible.", "Gosh last time he broke down in tears. 😭😭😭\n\nGlad he was much stronger today while laying off his workers. Awesome leadership there. /s", "I saw a company try to do that once (after I advised them against it).\n\nIt is God awful and horrible for the entire company.\n\nYou can't do those meetings fast enough to keep up with the grapevine.", "Yes it's so shitty this happened but if you worked for Better.com this should not have been a surprise. When every company is a 2% rates and you're the only one at 1.75%, you should have realized that company will not last.", "What a twat", "That is how it went even before Slack, it is the lazy ignorant way of trying to make things better, it makes EVERYONE anxious, because everyone is waiting for their 1:1.", "It was true of Amazon in its early years. It took quite a while until it got into the black.", "This is happening almost daily in Private equity companies. There will be no negative PR, or none that has any impact.", "Yes, that's an important point. They're worth $7.7 billion on paper now, but that value lies entirely on investors' faith in the company. Lose investors' faith, lose the valuation.", "Credit unions near me had the worst rates when I refinanced last year. We have exceptional credit, but the credit unions wouldn’t balk. And our mortgage was previously with a credit union. They were the first institution we went with. \n\nMortgages are a commodity. Age of the broker doesn’t matter. The rate does. That’s it. Read the paperwork, but you should always do that anyway. Ended up landing near 2.6% going with a large lender.", "Damn, I had to shut down a plant once. But I didn’t blame them like this guy does. And I had 1:1 with every person. Yeah it took over 40 hours to do, but it was the right thing to do. This guy is a terrible CEO", "Bad news is always bad news.", "Definitely not arguing this. It's just a funny situation especially since Marty had like four fax machines in his home.", "Finally, a more probable response. I've been living in the Private Equity world for decades, this is the most probable answer.\n\nYou can't do it individually, no way to do it fast enough to get ahead of the grapevine, it feels more caring but it is the opposite.", "[ Jump to 01:01 @ Better.com CEO Vishal Garg lays off 15% of employees right before the holidays](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7GVklRqHRY&t=0h1m1s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Dumb Dolphin, Video Popularity: 82.50%, Video Length: [03:03])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:56](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7GVklRqHRY&t=0h0m56s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "I don't see zoom. looks like slack.", "Jelly of the month club", "What specific questions could you ask or feedback could you receive that would change or improve the reality of losing your job? \n\nHow is that beneficial to either party?", "Cash infusions come with strict requirements to cut costs in an attempt to stop losses and payroll is the number one cost for tech companies.", "Unfortunately would have not been able to buy house if not for better. I worked in the industry tho so I didn’t really need a local agent.", "If you come to me and say you are bankrupt and need money to not lose your house I might borrow you some on the condition you cut back on your costs so you can pay me back. So no the cash received was probably on the condition off 15% cut on payroll.", "I’d want it this way tbh. Quick shot to the head, get the severance, move on. Nothing wrong with it. It’s not personal just business.", "CEO is a fucking scumbag.", "You honestly have no idea how financing works. The CEO probably had to fire 15% of the people to receive additional funding or else let the whole company to bust and fire 100% of the staff.", "That was a shit sandwich. He could have taken a note from Money Ball when Pitt's character tells Hill's character how to cut a guy loose. This was awful to watch. It's disgusting that this is the nature of \"business\". The guy can afford to make less, so make less, ride it out, do something, anything. IDK. SO lame.", "“Next time I hope to give absolutely zero fucks.”", "everything is commodified and fungible now. The reason I care is servicers are popping up out of the woodwork, and I have to just hope each new one isn't a shitshow that could fuck my life up through corruption or incompetence. Don't tell me that isnt a worry, I had BoA as my first servicer. I had one servicer switch my homeowners insurance to a policy with premiums 170% higher. It took 2 months to fix. \n\nI'm pretty safe. I have good equity. I am knowledgeable enough to ignore the scummy calls from servicers trying to hard sell extra services or bad deal refinances. Sometimes I think that is why I get traded off so much, they get rid of me when they realize they can't extract more revenue than the stock margin.\n\nYou see this as a business theory that is \"a perfectly logical and reasonable financial paradigm\" because you made money off of it. Did you ever take a step back and wonder about any possible secondary effects that don't fit on some prospectus?\n\nHow many are not like me, and get screwed over by the shit some servicers do? I'ts ok though... Their mortgage helped diversify some financial vehicle for a big company. \n\nA person's home is not a barrel of oil. It shouldn't be a plaything for people to package, repackage, and invent exotic stupidly complex investment packages trying to squeeze just a little more juice.", "OP is annoying", "Reddit is a fickle bitch. And she will down vote you on a good day let alone a bad.\n\nI'm Glad that guy added to disc ussion. \n\nThat said, it doesn't really change much. Imagine knowing you got fired due to contractual obligation to fire people. You burn through savings whilst looking for another job so they can make up for their own mistakes.\n\nSeems like it should be illegal to lay people off like that. If I was at an interview and they told me I'd be fired if the company got funded, I'd want a larger salary to save for the inevitable loss of my job. Instead its buyer beware but for employees. Insanity.", "This guy is just as empathetic as Travis Scott", "Maybe you should focus on understanding the basic of finance first before boycotting companies who had to fire 15% of their staff to avoid bankruptcy.", "Did he get his? I would be surprised if investors were paying him bonuses when the company was making $86 million losses per quarter.", "Same thing happened with Iora Health. They laid off 20% of their employees on June 2020 to look good for investors. 3 months later, they were acquired by publicly traded company called One Medical.", "Just because you fired 15% of your staff doesn't mean hiring stops.", "My own experience in the private equity world indicates that outcome may be a bit by design. For example, these 15% need severance and that'll probably be kept below-the-line, but is still a cash outlay. If this activity gets another 5% looking for new jobs and they find new jobs, you've taken out another 5% of cost without a $ spent in severance. You could then make a more rational decision on whether its worth backfilling that increased attrition vs. just keeping the cost savings.\n\nIn other words, that sort of outcome may be considered an ancillary benefit. Rational people might say \"well, you're probably going to lose some good people to attrition this way vs. justo your poor performers when you do a layoff\" but I can guarantee that the Private Equity rationalization would spin that as: \"Well, anybody who leaves on their on accord after this was probably 1 foot out the door anyways, better to leave now and we can reap the cost benefit earlier\"", "You just compared 20 years of 100m a quarter to 400 million over 9 years...\n\nbut I agree with your sentiment", "They do it right away so that the person doesn’t say something out of revenge and ruins the other apples.", "They were not profitable. They were losing $86 million per quarter. Less revenue also means less work for staff so less staff needed.", "That's not how it is supposed to work and I'm sorry you've had such a shitty experience. The CFPB has some amount of teeth again and I would report all these issues to them.", "> Once word gets out, everyone just sits and waits for their name to be called into the office. It's excruciating.\n\nThis. Watching people staggered into the office and packing up there stuff. Just a rotten day", "I can't believe it but I feel bad for the CEO. He is getting hate for firing staff but the company was loss making and the money for not go to him but towards saving the company from bankruptcy so that they didn't have to fire 100% of the staff.", "Nothing sick about it. The timing is the main thing that's shitty. If the company thinks they can operate with 15% fewer people then they should. Companies don't exist as a charity to provide jobs to people if they're not needed.", "It’s a curtesy, and you’d be surprised how many weird things people think or do in these situations so it’s nice if they have someone they kind of trust to talk to in the way out. It’s also likely company policy to have an exit interview.", "Equity isn't money, and it certainly isn't guaranteed. If the company tanks, his shares and equity aren't worth anything.", "I got laid off the day after I returned from a week off. They could have at least done it Monday so I could have fucked off for the whole week and enjoyed basically a two week vacation.", "I think the whole idea of loyalty-based employment is dying. Theres some stuff where interpersonal trust is important - usually at the bottom of the economic ladder where there's a good chance a random hire will be a criminal. \n\nBut middle management at a corporation can't just steal shit off the job site and start over with minimal detriment to job prospects. They're a broad social class that has many social pressures to behave themselves in public. So there's no reason to expect to not be fired on a dime. \n\nThe US economy has historically treated employment as a temporary measure in pursuit of owning a going concern (land, and later businesses), from which you cannot be fired, because you own it! \n\nThe idea of lifelong employment is relatively new and dependent upon a lot of strong government intervention. Modern monetary theory seems to suggest that it was a fundamentally flawed idea to begin with. Do you really want un-fireable schoolteachers and 80 year old politicians, when you could staff schools with highly motivated TFA college grads and vote for dynamic political figures who don't need to worry about upsetting a pecking order for pensions?", "They’re trying to go public and needed more money.\n\nI'm not sure you understand the purpose of going public.", "No shit, but if someone invests $750M into the company you have a huge amount of equity in, it’s pretty damn close to handing you $750M", "I hope that ceo gets terminal cancer", "NotBetter.com", "You need a power vest, ideally black or blue. I swear every ceo wears them", "Then why put your manager through all those face-to-face meetings that are undoubtedly stressful? I imagine at least some hotheaded employees are going to take their emotions out on that poor manager.\n\nAt least this way you're hearing it from the guy whose decision it was, even if it's very impersonal. At the very least they're not 100% hiding behind middle management.", "I actually saw this pop up on LinkedIn from someone who was laid off. Didnt realize they actually just got a $3/4 Billion promise of funding. How fucking sad", "Whatchu doin stealin boxes", "Getting fired isn't the end of the world. You're not going to change the outcome of the layoff but just because you lost your job doesn't mean your life is over. You might work with your manager or someone from that team later in the future. Maybe your manager could give you suggestions or recommend you to another company.", "Hey look an other front page article with a lie in the headline. It's almost like this is all Reddit ever has on the front page. It's almost like this website supports misinformation. Almost. Hey, at least there's a little yellow box that gives no information and no one looks at.", "Getting laid off ALWAYS sucks BUT if you do need to be laid off, THIS right now is the best time in the labor market that it could have happened. I’m certain you will be okay, just keep your head up and get your resume out there and and I’m sure you be fielding offers in no time. Again, I know it sucks ass, but keep your head up bro! You got this, roll with the change like water over rocks!", "I think this was on purpose, like he's trying to look tired and grief-stricken. It's a fail, but I suspect that's why this is being done that way.", "This sounds like it’s straight from Silicon Valley because of how ridiculous he handled giving that news", "He sold his soul for $750M... \n\nSay he laid off 1000 people. Say he really had to.\n\nHe could have easily set accounts for each of them, say with a $50k donation for each. That's $50M less for him but would have made a world of difference to the recently unemployed... And it wouldn't have pushed Vishal into poverty.\n\nBut then again, that's not the American me-me-me-first Dream...", "There is such thing as selling exclusivity of a story, but that usually means you have evidence/interviews that aren't out in public yet.\n\nHe'd have to id himself", "You tryin to build a clubhouse?", "I'm so worried that this explains why my husband and I were suddenly moved to a new mortgage associate two days ago.... I really liked our contact and had been building rapport with her.", "yes it does and seeing how big of an asshole this guy is the company def uses that feature.", "There’s an article from August that talks about him being problematic, and slowly investors are starting to pull back. He’s involved in multiple lawsuits, and is pretty hot-headed. Basically he’s a huge liability to any investor. He’ll definitely suffer short-term. Long -term, guys like this always land in their feet.", "Do you know how the valuation stayed the same even with the SPAC changes?", "Reminder, this can happen to you. Don’t have loyalty to your employer because they called you family.", "Maybe this is a bit unrealistic, but I would try to give everyone a golden parachute to make sure they'd have a comfortable buffer so they can spend their holidays without worrying too much about immediately finding a new job.", "No it can't necessarily keep paying workers when they are losing 86 mil a quarter lol. The business model loses money and is contingent on growth.", "About 20 years ago I started working at a new company in December. On December 23rd, the CEO announces mandatory drug testing for every employee. About 25 people were fired. \n\nI didn't last long there, not because of drugs, but because of jackass management.", "Too true.", "I want to lose a lottery sum every quarter, where do I sign up.", "I bought a house recently and I found better to have among the worst rated in the market. So did my father when he refinanced. And my neighbor. I don’t know your exact case, but I have beyond perfect credit, and their rates were mehhh. I bet you could have gotten a much better rate elsewhere. Then again I went with a lesser known lender (Reali.com) that spends almost nothing on marketing etc. I was actually skeptical of Reali because their rates were so much lower than the more well knows lenders. The only reason I decided to go with them was because it worked out for my father right around that time, and I wanted the cheapest rate. Worked out great in the end. \n\nBut the main issue I had with better was that after we decided to go with someone else for lending they kept harassing both my wife and I for weeks. Emails, phone calls etc. It a major put off. \n\nI think their website is probably very user friendly, and they’re probably great if you are not aware of cheaper, lesser know lenders, and you don’t give them a reason to harass you by simply going with them.", "OP also doesn’t realize that the partner in the SPAC has serious voting power and that $750M can go poof if a deal is not solidified within two years.", "I got laid off right before I was going to go on vacation on a Tuesday, and then they laid everyone else off at the end of the week.", "With the anti work movement so strong nowadays who knows, but you're probably right.", "If you’re laid off but you’ve already vested your shares it’s probably for the best", "The narrative here is he is a jerk regardless of the title so people just upvote because of that i guess.", "Ya. My job, my life, and the things around me impact me. I’ve had to make decisions that are hard, and they all impact me.", "ro....ight........", "Singing elf cookiegram delivery.", "Last time I layed off people \"I cried\"...this was cringe, horrible, meaningless and heartless thing to say...", "\"WORSE.COM.\"", "You don't just raise funds like that and pour it back into company staff that are currently underperforming. You restructure your company, fire some people, and use that money in ways that will hopefully put profits back on track.", "you’re", "This whole thread is full of people uneducated about business and it makes me sad more than anything because our education system is failing us and keeping us poor of wallet and poor of competency to make a living in this rat race.", "You're kind of pushing a narrative now about OP. The OP already said he recognizes the problem and would edit the title to make it more clear if that were possible.", "you aren't intelligent enough to talk about this subject", "Man, I feel fo the guy filming, he sounds really distraught 😕", "It doesn’t work like that if it’s on Youtube…", "Damn. Never like to see this. I used better to refi this year. Loved the experience but don’t think I’ll be recommending them in the short term. Just feels shitty to do it this way. \n\nEveryone should elect for the paid cobra. Even if they find new positions quickly they will likely have to wait 90 days for new benefits. That shit is expensive otherwise.", "... I don't think I'd even be upset", "I was home eating dorito when \n\nphone ring\n\n“Job is kil”\n\n“no”", "That doesn't work when you're laying off 900 people. Word will spread FAST and at least some of those 900 will be vindictive and still have access to corporate data.\n\nIt's also a really shit thing to push down onto the managers who likely didn't know beforehand. \"Good morning Craig, you're laying off 12 people today\".", "I wonder if they could basically enable your laptop mic, then compare the room's background noise against the background noise recorded by the external recording device. You could basically say \"This user's background noise fingerprint matches the noise in the recorded video.\"", "Yeah! I very unexpectedly went from Rosilida to Melanie. My husband and I were even talking about it earlier today. I literally said, \"Maybe she's on vacation for the holidays?\" But now I saw this and I'm very worried she was one of those 900 people :(", "The wage market correction is working, trust me. Not having negative PR about this won't change that.\n\nThese things happening constantly has broken the employee thinking they owe anything to their employer. That's not a bad thing.", "What shitshow?", "I’m late to the party, but I appreciate your comment so much. And honestly, I don’t get asshole vibes from this guy. The message sucks, but the guy delivered it directly and didn’t just hide behind an end-of-day memo or something. And the severance is probably better than a lot of places would offer, and more than what they’d need to offer.\n\nI’ve been let go before, back in 2008 when shit hit the fan. I sure as hell did not get this message or anything close to that severance. I was told at noon on Friday and they let me leave then, and get paid for the other 4 hours of my shift. That was it.", "So the entire company of thousands of employees is just meant to wait in limbo for two weeks while everybody wonders if they have been let go? And that's somehow preferable to you than ripping the bandaid off quickly with no ambiguity?\n\nSome of you have never been in management and it really shows.", "Hopefully into a chipper-shredder some day.", "Hah, not saying it's not shitty that they were fired but what, do you expect that when you get hired it's for life? Do you think companies could survive if they weren't allowed to fire employees if they needed to?", "What a douche for trying to make it about himself. 'One time I cried, hopefully this time I'll be stronger', wow yeah sounds like you're really having it tough, hope you hang in there boss.", "1 month in finance severance is a total joke. 3 months has been the standard I've seen in RIF's across finance, hightech, and health care, when the companies weren't run by jackoffs like this dolphin.", "\"I cried last time I did this\" - Vishal Garg. The people you fired don't care. No one cares how you feel when you have to make this situation. You let them down. You did. You took what you wanted and let your company down. You think the rest of them are going to trust you after this? Market fluctuations is why companies have cushions to protect there employees and company standing. Something else scared you into this and as the leader of a company you let them down.", "H1Bs at my employer work 70-100 hours a week voluntarily.* They answer and send emails at all hours of the day. \n\nIt should be illegal for companies to allow employees to work that many hours. I know at least one of them who sleeps in his car at the office so he is never not available. It's fucking toxic.", "> In this example better has a market cap of $7.7 billion, so it could just sell stock and continue burning at that rate for almost 20 years before they run out of cash\n\nThat doesn't make sense. A market cap of 7.7 billion means that their total stock is worth that much, but Better doesn't own that stock. They can create new stock and sell that, but shareholders have to approve that, and they're not going to be happy about it if there's not a good reason to do it.\n\nThat market cap is based on the expectation that Better will begin earning money at some point. If they burn 100 million a quarter for even a few years without a plausible plan for eventual profitability, they won't be worth 7.7 billion or even 100 million.", "He fixed 900 glitches. It will work itself out.", "What if the company was going to go under if he didn't take the financing? Should he have refused it and laid off 100% of Better.com employees? \"Burning through capital\" is not \"at the expense of the labor\" - it goes to the labor for the most part in tech startups.", "This is why you don’t do a mass lay-off by a call. Worked for one company where they sent two all hands meeting invites out. The people who were being laid off were invited to one meeting, those who were staying went to another. One guy asked a buddy if he was going to the all hands and decided to tag along with the buddy. But he was in the wrong meeting.\n\nDuring another lay-off at the same company, the network team called their buddies to let them know they were on the list. This gave them plenty of opportunity to loot equipment (servers and switches) and to go into the accounting system and delete the records of the T1 lines they had at home.\n\nOne of them even published the CEOs message, adding a line at the end of the document saying “We wish you the best in your future career and please limit your looting to one laptop each.”", "Damn! That’s a cold-ass honkey.", "Damn! That’s a cold-ass honkey.", "Their sales and support staff are generally new to the industry and overly rely on technology to tell them what to do. If you have only W2 income with almost no debt, then you're likely fine. As soon as you get into any sort of complexity in your financial picture, these people generally aren't experienced enough or trained to handle it. They have to escalate and everything takes longer. They're generally unwilling to make exceptions (even if they fall within agency guidelines) and they run on their timeframe, not yours. They only offer the most generic products as a result. They're trying to be a Walmart, and quality/customer service is about what you would expect in that kind of high volume/low margin environment.", "My LinkedIn is full of folks posting about this. I wonder if the video had made its way to LinkedIn and tagged to Better and this guy.", "[Worse.com](https://Worse.com)\n\nSounds like a POS to me...", "raughs in healthcare", "If they feel they can run the business just as well with those people gone why should they keep them on board?", "That's not how it works. When you raise money like this, you create new equity and sell it. So if the company was worth 5 billion, and you raise 1 billion, you create one share for every five existing shares and sell it to the financer. Now the company is worth 6 billion, but however much you owned is still worth the same amount, and you own a smaller percentage of the company. So if you had 20% of the shares, you now have 16% of the shares, and if the company grows to be worth 20 billion, you'll have 3.2 billion instead of 4 billion. \n\nNow, obviously, the company's growth plan is probably contingent on continuing to receive financing, so he is benefiting in the sense that the company would likely collapse if they didn't receive funding and thus his stock would be worth nothing. But he isn't directly or indirectly receiving any of this money.", "what an absolute piece of shit move.", "This is what I came here for", "The CEO should be the one to get fired for the failure of the company", "Shocking that a click bait title gets upvoted", "The collapse of labor unions in this country and its consequences have been devastating for the working people of this country", "Just to clarify, I'm not sure if you were saying this or not, this is how unemployment insurance works. Businesses pay unemployment insurance premiums, and the premiums are based on (in part) how many people they've laid off.", "That's actually a fairly even handed and emotionally mature way to do that. I've been through some crazy rounds of layoffs (in both groups) and it is never easy however it is communicated.\n\nBut at least the guy had the balls to take responsibility for the decision and communicate it himself. In a remote work enviro, it would be impossible to time the news so that everyone heard from their managers as the news would just get out immediately.\n\nAlso whoever posted this video likely violated a ton of clauses in their employment contract and could potentially be sued for libel or some other kind of damages.", "Yeah I was just going to comment on this. It's so bad, and shows no empathy for the people on the other side. Terminations are hard, but there is a pretty set way on how to do it and communicate it so you don't come across as a sociopath. Yikes.", "Ya not a great idea...", "Easy to land on your feet with that bonus lol", "Press F for me", "How else do you lay off 15% of your work force when most people are working remotely? This is probably the most sensible way to do it. Or similarly by department.", "Yes, OP was purposely misleading", "Anybody who understands the mortgage market knows that this company was doomed for slowdown.\n\nQuick summary: This company specialized in refinancing mortgages. People refinance when mortgage rates are lower. Mortgage rates are going up, so amount of refinances are going down.", "The $750M was investment into the company, not money to him. The title is misleading, unfortunately. Still a sociopath, but quite to that degree.", ">In this example better has a market cap of $7.7 billion, so it could just sell stock and continue burning at that rate for almost 20 years before they run out of cash\n\nThat's not at all how stock works. A company having a $7.7 billion market cap means they've already _sold_ stock which currently has a total value of $7.7 billion. It's not an asset that they can sell to raise money.\n\nTo raise additional money they'd need to issue new stock, which would dilute the value of old stock and lower the individual value of each share. For a company that size you probably wouldn't be able to get away with issuing more than a couple hundred million in new stock at most.", "Southwest Airlines.", "***", "That does NOT mean that the CEO got $750m. That means the company is raising money, which means they NEED money, which in some cases is a sign of trouble.\n\nSo you double mis-understood that news article...", "The same thing happened to me. But they laid off 200 employees and sent out emails explaining it so I knew it was going to happen.", "I've been through \\so\\* many rounds of layoffs at various companies, both where I've made the cut and where I haven't, and what I hate most of all is when managers pontificate beforehand. I'm the one getting fucking fired, so I don't care how hard this is for you, how difficult the decision was, or even what the reasons were. And I definitely don't want to sit through a bunch of touchy-feely bullshit so you can feel better about yourself. I don't give a shit how well you will or won't sleep tonight.\n\nJust cut to the chase, get to the part about whether or not you're going to screw me on benefits and severance, and let me go get my resume posted. Everything else is just a waste of time.", "It's outrageous that I had to scroll this far to find your comment.", "Spac.\nSoftbank company.\nLayoffs.\nCompany doesn't make money.\n\nThis piece of shit is going to dump for sure. Garbage stock.", "I mean. Its don't be loyal. Why? Because this video. \n\n This friggin video right here.", "I want to shit on him, but they're paying a month severance and covering cobra for 3 months. That's a lot better than most people get.", "Oh, that's not the same... I rushed to judgement", "Wtf is better.com", "Who cares about downvotes on reddit man, just say what you have to say and let what happens happen. I'd rather speak my feelings and feel good about myself than lie to get validation from strangers on the internet who I will never meet and don't matter.", "What the fuck, what idiot does a mass layoff as a group. No backbone to even have their direct supervisors break the news.", "lowkey love this movie and I can never figure out why, because it doesn't line up with anything else I like", "I thought the same thing initially! Someone quoted that it was an investment in the comments. One that likely had a headcount reduction as part of the terms. Only thing worse than sociopath CEOs is Venture Capitalists!", "yeeeowch\n\nyeah that'll cause layoffs", "The housing market has been fire for the last year+ and is only starting to slow down a little bit with no signs at all of a reversal. There was some worry about a bubble before the pandemic but now that the Fed minted trillions of new dollars and inflation is spiking these prices are here to stay. \n\nThis is 100% about cutting costs so they can cook the books for their IPO.", "damn I've been muttering this about customers and I should have been muttering it about coworkers", "Nice clickbait title bitch", "Just Steve-O things", "Don't forget Corbin Dallas on the Fifth Element. \n\nYou are firrrrerrrreerrd.", "Also that money is likely going to be used to finance their core product, lending money.", "Yeah lol, he could just try not failing so hard and having to fire people. Recently had an offer from Zillow and I won’t be joining any of these off-loading companies anytime soon.", "I fucking despise North American tradition of announcing layoffs around Christmas. I’m guessing it has to do with accounting and reporting periods, but for whatever reason most of the massive layoffs I’ve seen were right around Christmas time.", "Was he fucking Knoller or was Vishal really such a pussy that he was willing to pay her millions so she'd fire people for him?", "Pizza guy here, when you place a Slice order I get a fax.", "Well yeah, that's how stocks work.\n\nExpectation of future profit is the fundamental reason why people buy stock. Public companies will periodically pay out their profits (revenue minus expenses) as dividends. Owning stock in the company entitles you to a portion of those dividends. So, if you think a company will be turning a massive profit in the future, then you'd be willing to pay more for their stock today.\n\nOf course, this is leaving off a lot of the real-world complexities around this. Some companies might not pay dividends, and instead re-invest into growing the company. Investors usually don't mind this, since re-investing often means the company can grow faster, meaning even greater future profits.", "From job vacancy more than 15 % left.", "Second time in his career he has done this.\n\nFirst time he cried.\n\nSecond time he made sure to get $750 million dollars and didn't cry. Also decided to do it remotely via Zoom.\n\nMotherfucker.", "Isn't capitalism wonderful?", "The company has been losing money and was almost certainly compelled to do this as a condition of getting funding. The timing sucks but the terminations were inevitable, given their negative cash flow.\n\nPlus it's not like they threw the workers into the streets to starve. They're paying out 4 weeks severance plus they'll qualify for unemployment and most importantly, they're going into the hottest labor market in decades. They'll be fine.", "So give them cake?", "These corporate ass-clowns can't be more assholes. I've know people being fired during their LUNCH BREAK and they were welcomed back to the office with a pink slip and unable to enter the building. Their belongings would be \"sent to them\".\n\nEmployees, at any level, are expendable.", "Haha awesome! Do you still get spam faxes like you used to get back in the day?", "“Yeeaah…..YEEEeeeAAAaahh……”", "Yeah, someone wants to offer us roofing services once or twice a month.", "this is what happens when you get caught slacking.", "So \"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"we\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\" can survive...", "the employee that filmed that video: \n\"Fuck you duuude, you mean i can't game 8 hours a day during my shifts? oh fuck you dude you suck\" lel", "Firing so many people in such a dehumanized way. I understand if you don't see it that way.", "I disagree with your first sentence, but we agree on the second.", "CEOs at tech companies are pure sociopaths because the industry rewards these toxic terrible people by gifting them more money, more companies, and more connections with other sociopaths in the industry. It's a revolving door of assholes backed by other rich assholes.", "Oof. What an ass-licking toilet snake.", "Stuyvesant High School", "A rare, actual laugh out loud moment for me. Thank you iPlowedYourMom", "Agreed. I kept having to stop the process and ask, \"So that's it? Is this rate really real?\" They kept beating the best rate I was given too. I have like, zero complaints about refinancing with Better.\n\nBut I just feel dirty now.", "I'm not sure I buy that a, \"Apologies but you've been layed off.\" email would play better than this.", "I feel like that's actually kinda considerate. It sucks ass, but silver linings and all that", "Uber has never made a dime (they burn $billions/year) but they did allow their initial investors to launder a whole lotta dough by convincing others to buy up their stake while believing it would someday make money. \n\nAs I understand it, anyway.", "If there's any silver lining, it's that there's probably never been a better time to be job hunting. Literally everywhere is hiring.", "I manage people, and if our CEO - who I don't even deal with regularly, was having a mass layoff as a condition of a fat check and wanted me to be the one to deliver the news to all the people I manage - I'm not sure I'd see that as a positive either.\n\nThe \"If you're on this call\" is a brutal approach to take though, I definitely agree.", "This can’t be true. No one can be THAT out of touch with reality.", "Seems to be everyone's favorite time of year to lay people off. Several corporations on my area have just started doing some major downsizing.", "Seems to me like poor presentation skills (and extremely obvious selfishness/carelessness) for the CEO of such a large company, not impressed honestly.", "I’m sorry that sucks. Wishing all the luck to you. This is terrible and really sad", "I love this response", "Just imagine, some miserable fuck heard about you getting laid off, breathed a sigh of relief before complaining about x, y, z things you did or didn't do well only to get slapped by karma that Friday.", "How is this fucking people over? Lay offs happen they are a reality of the real world. \n\nThe company is losing 100million every quarter. The money the company received came with conditions to fire x number of ppl to stop the bleeding. \n\nNo one is fucked over, this is business. They are not in a position to keep everyone.", "Except I didn't get paid for my PTO. No severance package, and it was the first vacation I had taken in over a year.", "Yeah he only got $25M", "Well... That's a fucking ripoff. Sorry to hear that", "> Some companies might not pay dividends, and instead re-invest into growing the company.\n\nOr repurchase stock. Warren Buffett famously does not believe in paying dividends and thinks repurchasing stock is the better way to return value to investors.", "Companies can’t control the environment they’re in. The company didn’t print the money that’s sparked massive inflation. The company didn’t invent this new variant. The company didn’t decide that this new variant is so scary that the stock market should implode. Companies have to adapt to the market to remain competitive for what actually is happening, not what they thought would happen.", "Just like that?", "Most venture capital isn’t from billionaires. It’s from pension funds and the like. A lot of normal peoples money goes into it, and normal people benefit when it works.", "I really wish it was !=\n\nBasic computer programming should be an elementary school class.", "How they're banking on losing some business as well. I considered using better for a home purchase, glad I didn't make that mistake and won't be tempted in the future.", "Because they're both delightful even when they're playing assholes?", "> Who cares about downvotes on reddit man\n\nIf you get downvoted often enough, Reddit can do 2 things:\n\n1. Prevent you from posting more than once every 10 minutes.\n\n2. Shadow ban you so you think you're posting, but nobody else can actually see your messages.\n\nBoth are very annoying. This is why I have an alt account where I post anything controversial.", "Fuck him. Stay strong, people", "The mortgage industry is hot now because rates are low and getting licensed is easy when a big box lender just needs to to fill a seat. They report growth and more lead- take, and you're a sorta expensive but mostly cheap hire because you won't last and that won't have to deal with your incompetency (sales, low production, bye- bye job).\n\nHere's a company who made more sustainable lending models (and lenders) look dumb because of how expensive traditional methods are. Joke's on them (Better.com)- they're closing and running out of cash, and their clients are getting sold to the highest bidder (it won't be much, think countrywide circa 2006- cheap/ \"certain\" buy ins on long- term investments based on bullshit metrics and unrealistic growth models) , and will soon end up in modified contracts with problems that won't be solved because no one answers the phone. \n\nSucks to be laid off, but also, sales jobs are sales jobs. High risk, high reward (monetarily). Mortgage industry is the new blue collar job in America. \n\nAnyhoodles.\n\nBetter is bullshit. Exploitative and heartless.", "By far the biggest problem with social media, especially Reddit, is that painful truths are buried. Talking to people you are close to in person, they tell you what they really think. On social media, you only see whatever makes everyone happy, or angry. It's really a mind-blowing difference in how humans communication, through algorithm rather than directly.", "Windows Key + Shift + S \n\n\nThis opens Snipping Tool directly and you don't need it on your task bar.", "Greed at that level should be punishable by death. You shouldn't get to destroy lives to enrich your own.", "Especially how half the call was about him talking about his feelings. What an egomaniacal cunt.", "> had to do layoffs\n\nWell, that's the issue. Most companies don't have to do layoffs, but they do it to save money and pay their execs more money. Now if you had to do a layoff to save the company, you could just send a mass email and give notice ahead of the termination date so that employees can plan out their future. No need for the CEO to explain how he's going to be \"tough\" this time and not cry about it.", "A simplified version of the mathematical symbol is =/= lol. The programming version was derived from the math version.\n\nAnd both basic math and programming is taught in schools these days. It's just that languages have different symbols for =/= so everyone just uses the math version.", "There really is no \"good\" way to fire a bunch of people. Giving a month's of severance is a pretty good start, though.", "How does that severance compare to others?", ">Fun fact: the YT name Dumb Dolphin is a reference to the time the CEO in this video called his employees dumb dolphins.\n\nlol", "Sure. Let me rephrase, they needed to appear more profitable so that they can get this new cash infusion and go public soon, cutting staff helps appear more profitable. Do you work in startups too?", "One of the largest construction companies in australia did this a year ago. Layed off 30% of management and 40% of their workforce then cancelled the remaining contracts and wrote new ones. The guys that stayed had to take a 20% pay cut, work 6 days instead of 7 and 10 hours instead of 8.", "C level executives are not there for their talents or skills. There are any number of people that can sit at their level and have the capacity for the work they do, but aren't there because of their lack of connections and socioeconomic upbringing. Meritocracy is total bullshit in America, it does not exist. Millennials and Gen Z have a higher chance of sliding one socioeconomic class lower than their parents than any recent generation before them (Gen X, Baby Boomers, Silent Generation)", "It does mean that they're not running the company correctly. If they needed money that bad, the writing's on the wall. I know it's not an ideal situation, but people should be happy they're not going to crash and burn with the company.", "Yeah, four weeks seemed a bit tight to me, but I didn't comment since I don't have experience in RIFs for startups or finance.", "You do individual meetings with their more immediate bosses, that's how I was laid off and it was much less impersonal and offputting.", "lol", "One of the jobs I got laid off at gave me access to a resume/recruiting company that helped me touch up my resume and gave me access to their job board site for additional applications. It was after my first job out of college, so my resume was written terribly and kinda just a mess. That workshop + the subsequent 1 on 1s with a recruiter to help tailor my resume got me an interview (and eventually a job) a week later. So quite useful. Haven't been to a company that did anything remotely that nice beyond \"we'll pay you until the end of the week, but lay you off on Thursday\"", "More like worse.com", "And what's better, being laid off before Christmas so you know to buckle down, or being laid off after Christmas spending?\n\nAnd exactly how long is this \"holiday season\" that is off-limits for layoffs?", "I think you purposely made it sound like HE got the money and then laid people off. This is a cash flow business and if those 15% weren't adding value or making them money, shit happens. They are not running a charity. Also during covid, why emphasize \"over zoom\", that is the norm for both good and bad news. Yes he does suck the way he delivered news.. so attack that.\n\nPlus it sounded like the unfortunate folks got a month of pay and total 3 months of benefits. That is not great but plenty to look for a new position.", "r/antiwork", "Or... you know, you could take a pay cut across all managerial positions and pay your bottom row employees what they deserve.", "Not only do you have to get fired, your boss’ crotch is right fucking there on the screen.", "How do you know or you just assume he is not sympathetic because a large corporations decided to create cost efficiencies? His bosses are the investors.. and guess what who the investors are for publicly traded companies.. folks like us.", "Anyone else unnerved by the fact he doesn't move his arms and they're in such a weird position?", "Hi Vishal", "WTF.. crazy man!", "Yeah, Imagine working remotely for years and having the company insist you come into the office just to fire you.", "I too, got laid off after I was on pto for a week. However, when HR was sending out package notices to the already affected folks, (mass RIF) they inadvertently included me on the distribution. So I knew beforehand. I purposely declined the meeting that was scheduled for me that Monday, and called out sick. They had to wait 2 extra days before I let them fuck me.", "The problem with doing 1:1s with the manager for something like this, especially remotely, is word would get around and then you get people deliberately avoiding calls or messages.\n\nI've been laid off twice, both pre-pandemic. Both times the employees being laid off were all gathered in a single space and told at the same time, _then_ went to 1:1 meetings with their manager and usually someone from HR.\n\nThe first time my manager grabbed me for an impromptu meeting and asked me to hang out in the board room with everyone else who was laid off that day. The most recent incident they gathered everyone in the main meeting area, then we were told we'd all just been sent an email with further instructions. Those who were safe were told to take the morning and come back around 1:30, while those being let go were told to head to a room across the hall. Once there are badge access and accounts were all shut down, and we were let in to gather our things and meet with our manager.\n\nPeople lose their shit in these situations, and sometimes become violent. It's not uncommon for security to be tighter or even for resource officers to be present. Everything is very planned and coordinated to minimize risk and potential harm. My last layoff a fucking VP was tossed in the room with the rest of us, and as we were all told we'd been let go his hands were shaking and he was very visibly angry.\n\nIt's definitely not as personal as some may like, but it makes sense, especially when you can't safely gather folks like right now.", "Nuhuh, someone is counting.", "It’s like Layoff Madlibs for a CEO!\n\n“This decision was really ______”\n“I am feeling very ______ about this”", "This needs to go to the top. Still a dick way to fire people though.", "Sooo you agree", "I was on vacation when I got fired, too.\n\nGranted, they didn't know I was on vacation.", "Translates to, \"This time I hope to give less of a shit than I did last time.\"", "In my experience, you usually have a general idea of when layoffs are coming. Budget cuts, hiring freeze, etc. Having a scheduled meeting that only a fraction of employees are invited to is even worse than an email because with the meeting, you know you're laid off for sure but you technically aren't until the meeting starts.\n\nEmployees are adults and while getting fired/laid off really sucks, you learn to deal with these kinds of things.", "The best part is they are hiring", "This was so poorly executed it could be confused as satire. Like it would fit right into a Silicon Valley episode. \"Hoolie CEO Gavin Belson lays off 15% of employees via Zoom...\"", "They could have at least waited until after Christmas. It does make a small difference on families who now need to scramble to find a job over the Christmas holidays.", "Their past few qs have been bad but overall their historical ROI is quite good. Besides SB and Tiger don't follow traditional VC/PE procedure", "Thanks. I was wondering what this website was. I don't want to search for it or visit their website, because clicks mean money for these assholes.", "Correction, they’re only getting a weeks severance.\n\nHe said they can keep the insurance for a month. That’s just standard. The employees paid the premiums. They’d keep their insurance for the month if they quit. That’s not a severance package.\n\nAnd anyone who’s been on cobra knows that that’s bullshit also. You could get on cobra if you quit and it’s ridiculously expensive for less coverage.", "4 Weeks of Severance and fire immediately without notice. \n\nGoddamn! Americans live in a weird world. Literally could not be fired like that where I live, and I've got 6 months of severance built into my contract.", "No, they got a single week of severance. The rest of the “severance” package is the shit you’d get if you quit. Keeping your insurance for a month when you’ve already paid the premium isn’t severance, and cobra definitely isn’t severance. They’re getting a single weeks pay.", "> Doesn’t mean the system isn’t broken or that this guy isn’t an asshole, but cash infusions often result in layoffs when your losing $100m a quarter.\n\nNormally I'd be onboard with this logic, ultimately that's just business and you need to make hard decisions in business.\n\nBut zero notice termination, right before holidays with only 4 weeks of severance (and sounds like that's only for some employees) is just garbage.", "I swear to god. So many indians making other indians look bad. This asshat prolly wanted another house and boat, but this asshat will still not be happy cause its never enough\n\nHey im sure even elon and jeff bezoz are like this, dont let memes full you. To become this rich in reality you wud hv screwed over a lot of people.", "Word would get out that there's layoffs which would cause even more havoc. Doing it all at once is better and probably many of the team leads themselves would've been layed off as well", "> I agree, this video really didn't seem all that bad.\n\nIt's not. Reddit is just a place where every boss or corporation must be bad and greedy. Businesses fail and people get layovers. Its just another day. They get severance. I was close to being laid off once. 25% of our company did. I just moved on and found a new job. You cant expect a company to keep you around if its not going to fit the business plans they have lol", "> How is this fucking people over? \n\nits reddit lol. Every boss fucks over every employee. Boss bad, boss greedy!!1!!1", "There was no advanced warning for us. 10% of the company got called in to private meetings that morning and I was one of the lucky ones. When I got the invite from my manager Monday I thought maybe it was just to catch up on something that had occurred while I was out and might need my attention.", "Where do you live? I'm actually actively considering leaving the US. I disagree with almost every aspect of our work culture among other things. I feel like I could actually be happy living in another country.", "Laying people off before the holidays…do they recall we have shootings all the time now?", "The real issue here is a functional Democracy in society requires Democracy in the workplace.\n\nIf having executives is required or needed (I question that personally) so be it, but maybe employees could have more control in how their companies operate & deciding who is cut when they drop the axe.", "They use fax because for some reason they're more into physical documentation than digital.", "I think its got less to do with algorithms and more to do with text communication, especially anonymous/pseudonymous communication, removing a level of personalization. You're less responsible for what you say, and you make few or no personal connections with the people you talk with or to. It's shit like this that births hive-mind mentality, especially when news moves faster than our ability reason.", "Ha ha ha... body in a woodchipper!", "My company ceased operations November 22 (thanks pandemic). Now I'm hunting for a job for the first time in 9 years. Happy holidays to me 😔.", "Right? All this whining but that’s what big companies do. If you think your big company loves you, respects you, or even cares a little about you… you’re mistaken", "Wait what is painful about this? Nothing about the above explanation is a \"painful truth.\"\n\nI think the issue may be that if someone were to say, \"he had to do this,\" without providing the context, or, \"he was probably obligated by contract to fire these people,\" it wouldn't be received as gracefully, which is entirely understandable. People want to understand the issue as fully as possible. Certainly you can go against dominant narratives and encounter pushback but I don't see how this is one of those situations.", "Lmfao what makes you think any other bank is different", "Just like that.", "Very Christian of them...", "It's not hard to guess when you're a low level worker and get an out-of-the-blue \"let's talk about shit\" meeting invite from your CEO.", "Don't lie for your own agenda. There's enough outrage on the internet and social media without you creating fake headlines. \n\nThe honourable thing would be to take the post down and repost it with a factual headline that doesn't make false claims against the subjects.", "As someone who has been involved in these kinds of deals, it's pretty likely that it's not a coincidence that the infusion of cash came at the same time as the layoffs.\n\nOdds are the layoffs were a contingent demand brought by the investors.", "fuck you", "How are they assholes? If you work for a loss-making growth startup then you can expect that your job is not as secure. Ultimately, if they don't lay off some people then they may risk all of the employees losing their jobs.\n\nThat said, we don't know the full details.", "I hate to break it to you, but this isn't how it works. Medicaid qualification is based on projected income but if your projected income changes, you're definitely supposed to cancel your Medicaid and sign up for a paid insurance plan.\n\nThere's a good chance when you do your taxes this year, you're going to owe a fair chunk of change.", "\"last time I cried, this time I hope to be stronger\" \n\n&#x200B;\n\nfor real?\n\nhow much does a banana cost, like 10$?", "Well, he threatened to set his partner on fire alive so.", "Well fuck.", "What’s better.com and how easy is it to avoid them? I refuse to give them any web traffic. Fuck this asshole.", "What does this company even do?", "Corporate world business as usual.\n\nFucking scum every single one of them. My company just exploited us during the pandemic for long work hours and now insist we come in to the office just so we have to watch them basks in their glory.", "How will he survive? Does he have a GoFundMe?", "It's the most traumatic experience a lot of us go through in any given year, outside of accidents or deaths. \n\nI think there's better ways to communicate, but also better ways to just educate people on being mentally prepared for it, saving, and being mindful of the marketplace so they can be prepared. That helps to reduce the trauma and stress. \n\nI should know; I was laid off at the end of September, but was prepared and have been, for the first time in my adult life, more or less okay. Just gotta find that next thing!", "Noise is not so easy to match like that. Most signal analysis deals with extracting something particular from noise, not the other way around.", "That does not mean he received it personally. People who use misleading info in their titles are shitbirds.", "I agree 95%. Only part I disagree with is this:\n\n> give them time to ask questions\n\nEvery time I've done this the conversation turns into an argument. I prefer to present it as a fact and move on, and limit question answering to \"what happens next.\"", "We can even make the case here that from this video we have no idea if these employees were notified individually by team managers before this zoomcall. It's unrealistic to expect the CEO contacting 900 different employees individually.\n\nIt is also possible that Better does pretty much all their employee interaction via zoom meetings and 99% of the employees work at home 100% of the time. \n\nFrom this video we don't know these important details so for me with the information given, it's very easy to shit on the big bad rich guy but it's not enough information.", "What a disingenuous scumbag", "This guy/gal finances", "Vishal Garg more like Vishal Gargle on deez nuts", "NFT", "what a piece of shit", "I think the bigger issue at hand that no one talks about is at-will hiring. Employers should offer contracts that make firing at will not an option.", "Somebody who doesn't want to pay Christmas bonuses, obv.", "So, CEO does it himself, gets called cold. CEO instead asks direct managers to lay people off instead, gets called a coward.", "I got a call like this at the beginning of the year just days after my wife was laid off and a week before we found out my wife was pregnant. I hope you are able to find something quickly and that this is the worst part of your year.", "I'm positive that he, his board, and his senior leadership team are resigning too, right? /s This is after all a direct result of their failed leadership... Seems only right that they step aside so that more competent people who have a better understanding of the market and it's trends can run this show.", "I hope the entire company crashes. Greed will make people do devilish things. Fuck that man.", "Probably has something to do with taxes.", "What is your alternative? Bartering? No sociologist has anything to barter with. You NEED capitalism or else your profession goes with it.", "So it's an investment term sheet, and one of the terms is probably \"reduce your workforce outgoings\"", "Nah he cried last time because he saw how much his paycheck went up when he fired all those people.", "Yeah I kind of see it now. His attempt at showing that this was a 'difficult decision to make' but didn't quite know how to do it, considering how out of touch he is with his employees and that it actually wasn't a difficult decision to make at all. Ultimately, just like his \"last time I did this, I cried\" bullshit, he made this about himself, and how he would appear.", "They're not required to pay it out? Might want to double check that with local employment laws.", "shades of Gavin Belson\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48vYSLvKNQ", "The sad thing is that even if it does he'll still be filthy rich.", "Yep. While I’m not currently home shopping, I do intend to never give any of these fucks my business, ever. Problem is, people move, companies merge/split/etc, and then the most likely fault in my plan: I’ll probably forget. What would really be great would be if someone could maintain a database of the greedy bastards as they’re discovered, and if it would of keep track of where they are currently as they move around the job market. It would require community participation and have to be curated by mods, but it would be cool if there were like a movement of people enforcing mass boycotting that dynamically responds to any of the fucked up incentives for shit like this. Whoever’s hosting it would probably be constantly on the receiving end of expensive lawsuits, but as long as it only reported verified truths of what people did and what companies hire them, and it didn’t advocate any specific action or behavior then it would probably technically be defensible in the long run. It would probably drown in legal fees though… I can dream", "Sympathize with businesses? Why the hell would anyone do that?", "dang. that's the mr.burns dream!", "pay attention to your companies balance sheet. Losses == layoffs.", "I've ran into that too. It's interesting when you deal with the founders vs the execs. Founders have stunning communication skills. They had to convince people to work for them at the beginning. Also had to get investors. etc etc. C suite execs are all corp talk.", "As my friend who had previously applied here pointed out.\n\nNot cool to say they are the lowest performing 15% then lay them off in a very public call. Kinda poisons the well for them searching for new jobs", "Do Better laid off employees give back their work laptop after getting laid off?", "Well, after centuries of colonial rule, these are the kind of people who make it to the top. More to come.", "We need a serial killer that only targets rich assholes", "if he really got paid 750 milion, then proceeds to lay off 900 people. there seriously needs to be laws in check for this kind of crap.\n\nman how great the world would be if greed wasnt a thing.", "People with sociopath/psychopath traits and tendencies can easily be THAT out of touch.", "So what you're telling me is they could have reported a $500M gain and still given their CEO a nice Bonus check?", "Bad DD there, people refinance for a ton of reasons, and not just when rates are at the bottom. \n\nLots of people are on FHA mortgages north of 5%. Can’t drop PMI without a refi to a conventional. \n\nLots of people do cash out refis for renovations. \n\nLots of people change between 15/30 year terms. \n\nLow rates certainly increase the amount of refis, but it’s not the sole source. Better also originates mortgages, too. \n\nAnecdotally, i refinanced through them and the experience was top notch.", "Just here to tell you that what you've written is completely wrong and suggests your grasp of finance is not at a level where you should be explaining things to people on the internet or anywhere else.", ">'and what piece of shit lays off people before the fucking holidays?'\n\nA lying piece of shit. He mentions in the beginning of the video that the layoffs are due to 'market shifting' and we have to 'shift' with it. Then he goes on to say it is because, perform, performance and productivity and yada yada. Then does some weird thing with his fingers because its his body betraying his lies. Fucking piece of shit", "That 750 came with STRINGS. You don't get that much money for nothing.", "Terrible delivery.", "That $750M had STRINGS. No one invests that kind of money out of the goodness of their heart.", "> nothing I can do about the title now.\n\nActually there is! You can delete the post because it's misleading and before any other people see it and get misinformed. It depends if you value your post status more than the informing of the thousands of people viewing it.", "> he CEO was the son of the owner of the parent company. He had installed his son as CEO to get experience before working on something important. He was maybe 25.\n\nLMAO. You gotta be a sucker to even consider that job in the first place. Always know whom signs your paychecks.", "This brings that japanese airline CEO who cut his own pay to avoid making layoffs. Seems logical if you are responsible for the company and it's employees, you take responsibility to correct the situation in an appropriate manner.\n\nI would believe that you get loyal and productive employees that way.", "Unlimited PTO is actually cheaper than any alternative. Generally, PTO has to be accrued and then is “paid” when employees use the time or exit. So companies are recording a liability for a portion of the entire staff’s salary as time goes on. \nWhen you have unlimited PTO, there’s no accrual and therefore no liability to the business.", "Staff reductions are the \"quick fix\" and often last resort to meeting their financial quotas. Their $750mil likely came with a requirement of meeting a specific debt to profit ratio. Recouping employee salaries instantly bump those numbers. \n\nNot to mention they're going public soon and trying to reach their ~$7billion valuation.", "It's very common actually. Companies trying to meet numbers and not pay bonuses.", "What a piece of shit. Zero sympathy, pure robotic delivery, no acknowledgement that it's right before holidays.", "I changed companies recently and on my exit interview they asked why i was leaving, and when i told them that the new place offered me more money, they said “right, but money isn’t the only reason people leave, usually there’s other contributing factors” I responded to them “the new company is offering me a 50% raise from what i make here” at which point she said “oh wow! Ok”. Loyalty might keep you from actively looking for other jobs if you’re happy where you are, and are being paid what the market says you’re worth, but there’s always a business decision to be made. If i was losing my old company money, you’d bet they’d let me go, so why if another company wants to pay me a ton more to do the exact same job would i turn that down, this time it was a business decision, but one in my favor.", "When he spends 80% of the call talking about how hard it is on him, yeah.", "My grandfather owned a business and my dad has replaced him at C-level. I can assure you these people are 100% detached from reality. \nI had dinner with them three nights ago and I swear to god my grandfather asked why I bought a Mazda instead of a Porsche.", "Team leads were probably ditched that morning", "You're tilting at windmills, because I'm not a sociologist by profession, and I never said I was.", "> Except where he said he wasn't going to cry. Which I agree it's out of place.\n\nSo you admit that he could have done a better job. Took you this long but I'm glad you agree", "Yes we can't blame anyone because the system around this incident causes this but I don't think it's irrational to be angry at this incident. Question is, why can't we make a system where laying off employees is much less painful for the workers?", "Wrong on both points. Check the video again at 1:50.\n\nHe says 4 weeks of severance, which means 4 weeks of pay. He also says they're getting a month of their current insurance and two months of Cobra \"for which we will pay the premiums\", so free to those being fired.", "Not sure where you’re getting $500M gain.", "\"And he sticks the dismount!\"", "Didn't the guy get like 25 million bonus?", "During my 20s, my best friend's older brother used to mockingly ask me why I drove an old Camry instead of getting a Lexus like he had. I told him \"Because I'm good with money\".\n\nFlash forward ten years: my wife and I just bought a nice house and at Thanksgiving he goes \"wow, how'd you manage to snag this place?\"\n\nSome people just don't understand reality.", "The CEO didn't get a bonus, the company got a cash infusion to offset all the money they were losing, and one of the terms of this infusion was that they cut costs. Mass layoffs are the best way to cut costs, especially when labor is practically their only expenditure", "He literally says \"For US employees, you get 4 weeks of severance. You get 1 month of Health Insurance, and 2 extra months of COBRA\".", "It never ceases to amaze me that we allow psychopaths to run things, and even more amazing are the boot lickers that come out to support them.", "True, but that's another discussion really.", "Makes total sense, personally I'd just prefer to have a group meeting among my peers and my team lead, rather than a kind of impersonal townhall type meeting with the CEO", "That's another discussion but I agree. I don't like the prevalence of contract workers with no safety net, which is essentially what severence is, or that severence in the US seems comparably shit compared to Europe.", "Of course", "Should have auto toned it: https://youtu.be/sPrR4tKdTGE", "That was hilarious.", "its now a verb btw. i zoomed, like i googled it using edge browser", "i think we all know the tears were for the lack of financial security of his family, bills and being broke this holidays.", "i got laid off too in the past but looting? looks like they went from employees to thieves really fast. could be the one of reasons why the company was in trouble.", "I always wondered the same exact thing! Indiscernible.", "Well at least he feels bad about it. I hope he didn’t cry this time. /s", "I don't let people derail me, my argument was the same from my very first reply for you. Sorry your strategy didn't work, glad you agreed with me in the end at least", "If that was my argument then you should be able to quote me, I'll wait =]", "It was a poisonous environment. Leadership decided to implement a Siebel ERP, bringing in IBM and an outside PM who like to shout and wave his arms when people (including me) told him that the project was going south. He once threatened to beat up a team member on a call attended by 60 people.\n\nHe announced, with production date coming up, that no one could take Thanksgiving off. Then, with the staff in rebellion, the company reversed the decision two days before Thanksgiving and had to reimburse staff for the cancellation fees and pay for the new and more expensive airfares. They did the exact same thing at Christmas.\n\nA week later they put the system in Production. It ran so slowly that orders were taken using Excel and post-it notes. It cost something like $30 million. A few days later, the company that had purchased us declared the project a success but that they wanted a different system. All of the senior leaders got their bonuses and the outside PM was made head of the PMO. Shortly thereafter, they did an outsourcing deal with Accenture which was so bad that they paid Accenture off after 2 years of a 5 year deal.", "if you lost your job tomorrow you wouldn’t be fucked? just because it’s a reality of business doesn’t mean it doesn’t fuck people over. do your debtors accept “it’s a reality of business” as a form of payment? lol", "“Fucking people over” means doing something shady or deceitful \n\nThere are tons of jobs available right now. It sucks but no one was fucked over. The business was bleeding", "I like the cut of this guy’s cloth.\n\nIt’s like an investor loan repaid with interes.", "That is cool thanks for that explanation. TIL", "If I remember correctly from my business school class, the logic behind his preference is that dividends force a taxable event on investors. Repurchasing stock increases share price, and then any investors who wanted to receive a dividend can simply choose to sell some portion of shares. Those investors who did not want to receive a dividend and would rather have the value continue to sit in unrealized gains are able to do so. It's just better for tax planning all around.", "I could stomach stocks like this. \n\nThanks for the rundown.", "That’s not what “fucking people over” means. It means to put someone in a bad or inconvenient position. Which is absolutely what a layoff does. No one is saying these people can’t or won’t find another job. Not sure where you’re reading that.", "A lot and yes. Like I said, it doesn’t mean the system isn’t broken, but this is just standard shit. It’s nothing special about this CEO.", "Yeah, it’s a lot less wordy than pointing out CEO pay to average employee pay has gotten absurd and isn’t sustainable, and the system keeps encouraging this behavior through short-term share grants rather than long-term outlooks.", "This is just how hyper growth companies operate. Every successful tech company has done the exact same thing. You spend money faster than you earn in order to grow really fast. Hell Amazon was operating at a loss for nearly two decades.", "It is garbage, especially for a “tech” company with this kind of cash. Most of the big companies have done layoffs at some point, and Amazon has been shit on before for only having 3 months of severance.", "Better.com employs roughly 10k people. That amounts to laying off ~1500 people. He could have paid all of the people he laid off a $100,000 severance and still be paid $600,000,000 dollars. Aka paid more money to be rich for the rest of his life. \n\nSelfish piece of shit.", "::slowclap.gif::", "Fuck the mods for removing this. The title is NOT misleading and they are clearly bowing to pressure from Vishal Garg.", "I work there (still). A lot of managers and leads were included in this termination. Almost no one knew this was happening except the very higher ups. Regional managers found out when we all did, so they couldn't even have a one on one with a production worker if their manager was also let go. It was a shit show. Still is.", "I called to cancel multiple times, because I thought this too but I was told by multiple people when I called you get certified for the year. I even asked to cancel and they never sent me the forms.", "> many companies\n\nMany? I think \"some\" would be a better designation. What exactly makes them \"better\"? That's a pretty bold thing to name your company. What exactly makes them or their investors think they can turn this around? I think tech is now chick full of people who simply aren't even old enough to remember the first dotcom crash and don't even give any thought to the fact that it WILL happen again. At some point, they will need to attract new talent to make things work, and while most of this is not unique t them, the way this has been handled will make a lot of that talent not even consider working for them. And while this may not get much coverage outside the tech industry, it's probably enough to impact their ability to attract customers. Absolutely idiotic way to handle this.", "> doomed for slowdown\n\nSlowdown? Or extinction?", "Well, he didn't get his bonus yet, but once the fiscal year ends then he will be able to justify a generous bonus (perhaps one on par with his previous $25 million bonus) now that the company's expenses have been made a little more lean.", "Ah, I heard it as “full weeks severance” last night. I still object to him saying they’re getting 3 months at the end there because cobra sucks ass and the copays can be as expensive as not having insurance. But a month is actually pretty surprising", "I heard it as “full weeks severance” last night. My bad, but cobra is still pretty bad so I have issue with him saying “3 months total benefits”. Cobra often doesn’t cover anything and when they do the copays can be nearly as expensive as if you weren’t insured at all.", "As someone closer to to the top than the bottom, I can't imagine doing this to the direct managers. I am the one responsible for the company performance, I am the one who let my people down, I made the decision, therefore it comes from me and I deserve their anger and not the person who likely had very little control over it. Not to mention, in some cases managers are likely to be part of the group in mass layoffs. \n\nHaving been put in that position before when I was a team manager, giving the news to someone I just gave a satisfactory review to and they ask me why them, being able to say nothing more than \"I don't know\" wasn't fair to me or them. \n\nSounds like this layoff was necessary, and the intentions were not bad, but Garg's delivery really sucked.", "For those who have the very unfortunate time of having to give this sort of message, a great rule for any bad news like this is that the first person is about responsibility and regret FOR them.\n\n\"I am sorry.\"\n\n\"I let you down.\"\n\n\"We are going to have a very hard time without you, I value each and every one of you and I wish there was something else we could do.\"\n\n\"You deserved better from us\"\n\nEtc...", "Might be complicated if the direct manager is also getting laid off.", "This is the CEO that two different Wall St firms refused to work with because he had too many shady entanglements.", "This cunt should be in prison", "Fuck you bitch", "Just corrected you because you lack the attention span and cognitive skills to correctly regurgitate a number from a short video. \n\nI know he said at least 3 numbers and it was real hard for you.", "Sounds like I really hit a nerve, are you okay?\n\nIt's 3 months of severence. 1 month of severence pay. There's a difference. That's why I said \"severence\".\n\nJust correcting you because you lack the attention span and cognitive skills to know what you're talking about.", "Severance refers to pay. Benefits refers to health insurance and cobra. \n\nSorry you don’t know the difference.", "> Benefits refers to health insurance and cobra.\n\nWhich are part of a severence package.\n\nNext time you pull out your smallbrain and try to laud it over someone being civil, you should probably make sure you're right so you don't sound like an idiot.\n\n> Continuation of insurance benefits, assistance finding another job, and other perks can also be negotiated as a severance agreement.\n\nhttps://www.investopedia.com/articles/pf/08/negotiating-severance-agreements.asp\n\nSounds like it's worth reading up on since I imagine with a mind like that you might experience this often. Good luck lmao bye.", "Right and when talking about a severance package, if the severance pay differs in length from the severance benefits. It is important to differentiate the two into more specific categories. \n\nSorry you don’t understand. It must be hard for you.", "> Right and when talking about a severance package, if the severance pay differs in length from the severance benefits. It is important to differentiate the two into more specific categories.\n\nWhich is why he specifically says severence, and then benefits.\n\nSo to everyone who watches the video, you'll understand what someone means when they say \"3 months severence\".\n\nOr so you'd think, some people just struggle and need to unleash their bitterness. It's okay baby boy.\n\nI'm glad you agree that you were wrong though and that severence can and does infact include things other than pay unless specifically stating otherwise. Well done, that was big of you.", "Still responding huh?\n\nMust be really upset you couldn’t understand how it was misleading and not too smart to say 3 months severance when they only were getting 4 weeks severance pay. \n\nIt’s okay, I’m done here. I’m sure you will respond again. Feel free.", "This is how it was done in April 2020 at my old company. Every branch had one employee that was being laid off, we had to wait to find out who it was. And then they got called into an office and it was done over video call", "That CEO is a piece of shit", "What's funny about this is I would really like to know how productive they were. All day we have people on Reddit talking about how they only work for a couple hours a day and they make like 100k and milk the rest of every day. It's like the Reddit way, why are we upset so much when it's certainly plausible that's what happens here. Exactly that type of job that it occurs in, looks like someone is maybe paying attention to efficiency in an office environment? Which we know are easily some of the most wasted hours of all jobs, unless you in a call center or something", "Even if you record on another device, if the water mark algorithm is sufficiently robust it should survive a generation or two of recording.", "All I can say is, Visual Garg, I hope it burns when you pee. I hope it keeps burning, and you can not pee in peace.", "Cinavia is a client-service model, meaning it only works when the audio watermark is presented to a Cinavia enabled device such as the PS3. However, Cinavia was cracked years ago and isn't applicable to the technology used by Zoom. Zoom embeds specific sequences of audio that repeats in a pattern based on the user ID that is listening to the meeting. Most of the time, when recording with a device that isn't the PC itself, those embedded audio signals get lost and you can no longer identify a given user. This is why Zoom must also have a recording longer than 2 minutes -- the embedded watermark isn't always heard in sequence and the algorithm needs to hear it repeated multiple times before a high level of confidence is given towards identifying a user.", "You'd got to be a stupid mutha fuka to get fired on your day off ! 😂😂", "I got laid off one time in my entire career. It was on a Wednesday during a week-long training class. I was told I could finish the training as a courtesy.", "That would be the best thing to ever happen to him. If that story surfaced and someone started a gofundme, I'd drop money into that as fast as I could.", "This is NOT a corporation (owned by its shareholders). This is a private company (owned by the CEO and the rest of the board, themselves). A startup. And this guy is a known sociopath in the industry (he threatened to murder someone etc)", "Because this is a startup, and was started by Mr Indian Wanker. The venture capitalists who held all the money to loan him were starting to get nervous because it's known in the industry that Mr Wanker is a colossal sociopath and they refused to loan him any more. But it isn't like a shareholder thing where the CEO can lose his job if his performance suffers. \n\nSo of course he didn't have to have any skills in messaging. Or any qualifications whatever.", "This guy IS a founder though. Better isn't corporate, it's private.", "Except this guy is a psycho. Look at the old stuff when you Google his name. The investors in his Co were starting to get cold feet. That's why he fired these people. Guarantee his name will be mud among venture capitalists and seeing a Chap 11 or even 7 shortly (they are already embroiled in lawsuits)", "Agree. But I doubt kotick personally fired 12 QA contractors lol.", "Kotick is a con man but not a psycho type with violent tendencies like Garg is. I guarantee you Kotick didn't email his employees saying that \"You're a bunch of Dumb Dolphins, and Dumb Dolphins are caught in nets and eaten by sharks.\" or threaten to burn his partner alive.", "Hey dm me" ]	867	videos	Better.com CEO Vishal Garg lays off 15% of employees via Zoom right before the holidays & after receiving $750,000,000
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvTVWDG-CUI	/r/videos/comments/r84ilx/what_do_you_think_of_my_new_channel_intro/	[ "Who watches channel intros these days?", "12 year olds.", "🔥🔥🔥" ]	4	videos	what do you think of my new channel intro?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRE-x-V8PZk	/r/videos/comments/r84sl6/andrea_botez_responds_to_chess_gatekeepers_that/	[ "I'm on team Botez on this. Chess needs shitposting.", "I think it's wild that such an innocent question, that was supposed to add some levity triggered so many people. Even in sports press-conferences you often have journalists or people from alternative media outlets asking ''edgy'' or ''funny'' questions to make the athletes feel a bit more comfy and having them show another side of themselves.", "This is my layman’s analysis but it feels to me like it’s because chess is seen as an “Intellectual” and therefore “more serious” sport. \n\nI’m not a professional chess player, hell I’m not even that good at checkers, but I’ve been around a few pseudo-pro players in my time. \n\nQuite a few of them were the very serious, smug , “I’m a smart boi who’s above such juvenile and unintelligent things” types. \n\nThey sort of centered their entire identity around being r/IAmVerySmart and joking around even a little bit is seen as juvenile, dumb, and as though it somehow challenges that identity.", "And that's currently changing because it's getting more and more mainstream. More people are discovering a love for chess and understand the game better due to streamers and YouTubers. It's not a ''game for nerds'' anymore.", "Holy shit shes hot", "> that was supposed to add some levity triggered so many people.\n\nI think it’s disingenuous to frame it like chess players want press conferences to be like a funeral. I don’t think anybody is against adding levity and jokes, god knows in the recent days reporters have been trying. But the questions should be aimed at both players who are the most important people there. I think it’s in bad taste to alienate one of the players in favor of what happened with you.\n\nMost people that didn’t like it are just raising the point that it felt like she was trying to insert their stream saying “hey remember that one time you happened to be on our stream. Because people are invariably going to wonder why this girl is asking the current world champion “how the knight moves”", "I agree that what she is doing is making the chess world more approachable and relevant. For example, I didn't know the World Chess Championship was currently going on.\n\nBut I also feel like she's really playing up the drama for content. I'm a complete outsider, so I popped in over at /r/chess where the general consensus seems to be that they're [either on her side or don't give a shit](https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/r6kvv1/what_do_you_think_about_andrea_botezs_question/). \n\nI guess calling out haters gets more clicks than being genuine and saying, \"My little inside joke went viral! Hooray! This is good for me as a content creator!\" I'm just so over drama manufactured by highlighting every negative reaction. It only encourages people who are desperate for attention to put more hate out there, hoping to be validated.", "TBF to Hikaru, he's a memelord himself, and has had his own flak from the chess gatekeepers. So it's an interesting take from him", "There are literally only 2 people's opinions who matter here. Botez, and Carlsen. \n\nSounds like she asked him and he said it was fine. So it's fine. Why does everyone else care? It's not like she ruined the whole conference with it. She asked it, he answered, and the whole thing moved on. People are so insufferable.", "I've never seen a press-conference about anything where journalists didn't just focus a question on 1 person. Some journalists ask both people, some journalists only ask 1 person a question. Pretty normal and nothing weird or disrespectful about it. \n\nShe was just making a lighthearted joke with one of the players. That's it. It's not deep. It was to add some lightheartedness to a snorefest because she represents her own outlet and this is what her viewers want to see/hear. Just like how the journalists that were present were representing their audiences and were asking questions their audiences want to hear. \n\nWhen I watch an F1 press conference you'll have a journalist from a serious newspaper ask a technical question to a driver or a teamboss. You'll have a journalist that asks both drivers a question. You'll have a journalist that will only ask 1 driver a question. Or you'll have a journalist from a country that adds levity to their F1 broadcasts and he asks a funny question to only 1 of the drivers about an instagram post they made. The driver answers, laughs and the rest of the journalists in the room are confused about what it was about. But everyone just carries on with their day. You won't see another driver respond on Twitter about how weird the question was because nobody else in the room understood it. Nobody will lose their shit about the intense and dangerous sport of F1 being made a mockery of.", "Exactly. Some people are making such a big deal out of nothing. She essentially represents her very own media outlet: her stream. Viewers of her stream want to hear questions like this. They don't want to hear her ask something super serious. What are press-conferences about? Informing the audiences of the media outlets. It's people talking indirectly to the audience. Botezlive's audience wanted to hear this. It's that simple.", "Every time I talk to a professional Poker player the first question I have them \"I'm first to act in No Limit Holdem and I have two Aces. What should I do?\"\n\nMost of them think this question is funny.", "What are you talking about? You went on this long rant that has nothing to do with the points I made\n\n> Nobody will lose their shit about the intense and dangerous sport of F1 being made a mockery of.\n\nNobody made this point.", "It was an example.", "She's mostly reacting to Hikaru here and Twitter fall-out. r/chess being fine with her today isn't proof of her blowing it out of proportion.", "I literally dont care", "Hikaru is a cuck", "modCheck", "Nobody made the point that she’s ruining the sanctity of chess or making a mockery of it. People are saying that it’s a bad question and she could have asked something that didn’t have to do with her stream", "Read my comment again please.", "Never cared about chess, seems like the game is too dissected and predictible now adays, good on the Botez sister for memeing on this garbage elitism", "Shes in her position because shes ok at chess, attractive, and looks like she gags on dick. Who cares what she says.", "And you're in your position because you're terrible at chess, ugly, and look like you wish someone would gag you with their dick. Who cares what you say.", "We caught an incel live in the wild", "At least at a classical level, the game is basically preparing engine lines against each other 20+ moves deep, with a semblance of interesting calculations after the preparation ends. If you're not a GM, or heck, even a super GM, watching world chess championship classical games is basically either following engine moves (which chess elitists hate), or not having any clue what's happening. It's just bland, and dry.\n\nBlitz and rapid is actually really fun to watch, it's fast and dynamic. Again, the gatekeepers in chess put it down heavily because it favors mechanical skill, and intuition over deep memorization. Magnus is still the top dog in both, but Hikaru (who the chess world hates) is actually #2 at blitz, and rapid because the skills differ. Knowing deep engine theory helps a lot less in lower time controls because it's more about speed, puzzles, intuition, and being able to time out opponents through chessy tactics.", "I tried to but it said the same thing as before, so I think you should respond to turtle with a genuine answer.\n\nWhy did you think your comment would say something different a second read through?", "always fold pre", "He thought it was funny, and to be fair, it was", "Have to balance your mucking range", "> Why does everyone else care?\n\nNobody cares. You will always find some idiot on twitter writing some shit, not matter which topic.\n\nThis video is nothing else than trying to become relevant as a \"internet celeberty\" like she calls her self.", "This is meant in no offense to you, but your opinion sounds like it's mostly based on how the popular media has portrayed chess for ages. The only part you have correctly is the garbage elitism viciously cycled by the very same media.\n\nAlthough chess is a \"solved\" game for computers, that doesn't mean there is no drama with human players. There is a purely human limit to how much we can remember, and no matter how \"logical\" we may want to be, we are emotional players that will end up faltering or capitalizing at key moments. The computers are tools we use to try and evaluate positions to judge our standings, but when it comes to taking in factors of time control, human replies and meta-tactics, they are still lacking.\n\nAlso, the false elitism that exists is one that is viciously cycled by the media for itself to make itself feel important. Trust me when I say, none of us daily players feel like the smartest people in the room. And if any chess player tries to play off as such, they are probably sub 1000 idiots, who have bought into the hype. Just visit /r/anarchychess for the hottest garbage memes that we shit on each other with. And for a serious note, whenever the conversations of \"Should chess be taught in school\" comes up, the players are the ones to step in first to say \"it's probably not the best spending of time unless the kids want to play\".\n\nI make no judgement on you making your opinion based on what you've seen from the outside. However, I hope you'll consider my earnest request to give it a try yourself if those things are the things that have kept you out of this wonderful game.\n\nIt's a fun game that is universally beloved, with centuries of history of lovable and hateable players with stories of hardship, tragedy and levity, and there is no better time then to try right now as it's a free game ([lichess.org](https://lichess.org)) with millions of playing world wide, 24/7, with some of the most amazing content out there all the time, from passionate and wonderful people like Erik Rosen, Chess Network, John Bartholomew, Ben Finegold, etc.\n\nIf you enjoy RTSs, MOBAs, team FPSs, or even puzzle games, chess fills so many of those check boxes while keeping it fresh, constantly, forever. Don't let misinformed opinions keep you from a possibly enjoyable experience. Anyway, sorry for the rant. If you aren't interested in the game, that's fine too.", "The super bowl press conference is an absolute clown show full of content farmers. Hikaru is way off base about it being the championship. Even more reasons for the memes", "for those of us who dont know poker, anyone mind explaining?", "> Although chess is a \"solved\" game for computers\n\nIt's only solved for 7 pieces or less end games.", "AA is the best hand possible. You should always raise instead of check or fold.", "Video includes a clip of Hikaru an American chess grandmaster and streamer criticizing it. That's not just \"some idiot on twitter\" he's pretty big in the chess scene.", "What if you're slow-playing?", "Fuck if I know", "What do you expect when you use inside jokes and memes around a majority of people who aren't in your sphere? By all means, make your meme comment, but you don't get to turn around and act surprised or seem taken aback when people call you cringe or childish.\n\nIt'd be like asking a quarterback what shape a football is at the Superbowl. Is it a wildly inappropriate and significant insult that destroys the sanctity of the game? No. Is it cringe and stupid? Yes.\n\nA lot of these twitch streamers will act stupidly in public or play cringey and inappropriate donation sounds in public just to get a reaction from chat and farm LULs. Go ahead and farm your LULs, but at least take the criticism you've farmed along with it.", "Then you know enough to not ask the question.", "A streamer critiquing it is a absolutely nothing lol", "I imagine the old guard and the majority of chess players are not represented on reddit. \n\n\nOfcourse the kind of chess player that is on a social media site like reddit is more comfortable with jokes and memery. Selection bias.", "Although you care enough to comment you don't care which shows some care", ">American chess grandmaster \n\nFFS you're grasping at straws. Pretty clear you have no idea who Hikaru is and how big in the US chess scene he is.\n\nYou know AoC streamed right? Would you say the same shit about her? \n\n\"Just a streamer she doesn't know anything about politics\"", "It's a meme poking fun at hikaru nakamura, but nevermind", "People who aren't sexist care.", "It often boils down to whether people think it's funny or not.\n\nMy law professor used to say, \"Whether something is legally protected parody or intellectual property theft depends on whether the judge thinks it's funny.\"\n\nIt was a bit of an inside joke, though. Often, when reporters ask \"funny\" questions, they are funny to most people in the room. Without context, the question isn't that funny and Magnus answered the question sincerely (which was also not funny.)", "That was a funny question - I think a lot of incels were triggered by her looks, got insecure and just went rage mode.", "Sorry don't watch him I literally don't care", "I don't know him that well, but I can sort of understand where he's coming from:\n\nIt's the world stage, which should be the pinnacle of seriousness (for chess) above all other chess tournaments. If it were any other event in particular, it would probably be okay.\n\nPersonally, I think that opinion is garbage. There is never anything wrong with making things more approachable, because at the end of the day the thing that really matters is that the players play their best at the world championships.\n\nFor people who are supposed to be good at thinking multiple moves ahead... it's a bit ironic when they gatekeep chess.", "This is dumb. I dislike this video existing.", "He made a comment and moved on, that it, she is trying to create drama for clicks.", "Welp, she wanted \"Content\" and boy did she get it. This is inane.", "Meanwhile [this happened at the ongoing valorant tournament](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6OSmaiwbrc&t=178s) and no one complains :)", "I thought it was great. He did the same thing to her on stream. These tightwads need to lighten up. World Championships or not, you’re not allowed to have some fun? Get over yourselves. Like she said, it’s been technical question after technical question. Everyone thinking their question is the best. Meh.", "It's also not like she interrupted an actual ongoing match. It was merely a question during a press conference. It's such a non-issue lol. Imagine thinking a press conference sets the tone of the entirety of the sport you enjoy watching.", "For y'all who thinks this questions somehow makes chess unprofessional, make L into F through means of pixels transformation and go fuck self with it.", "Have you ever seen media day at the Super Bowl? Players get asked stupid shit all the time. 10x worse and “cringy” as this. Sanctity of the game, fuck off.", "Chess Gatekeepers might want to turn around and take note of the empty field they’re guarding.", "> There are literally only 2 people's opinions who matter here. Botez, and Carlsen. \n\nNot really. It was a press conference, the fans are allowed to have opinions.", "He's calling Kikaru \"some idiot\". I'm correcting him as he's just flat out wrong.", "I'm with her on this. The question was asked in good fun. Plus, even Magnus Carlsen got a good laugh out of it. Why should all these gatekeepers give a fuck?", "You're right. Cringey shit is asked all the time. And you know what? People ridicule and call out those with shitty, stupid questions. Fair is fair. Ask stupid, for-content questions and then take the criticism gift-baggie on the way out without complaining.", ">What do you expect when you use inside jokes and memes around a majority of people who aren't in your sphere?\n\nI expect them to be like 'I didn't get it' and move on.", "Who the fuck cares?", "Bongcloud opening is hilarious. More shitposting is needed.", "I am not following, are Hikaru and the Botez at each other throats again?", "> This video is nothing else than trying to become relevant as a \"internet celeberty\" like she calls her self.\n\nshe more or less admits that's part of it, but based on the video it sounds like she's gotten a lot of shit and this is her way of responding to it. that, to me, was the point of her making this.", "I'm still kinda new to poker but I've studied up on it and my impressions are this: Slow-playing pocket aces from first-to-act (under the gun, or early position) isn't your best move. If you do that you're more likely to go to to the flop with more players in the hand, increasing your odds of being beat by one of them. By raising first you encourage hands that aren't as good to drop out and narrow your competition to strong hands, which are more likely to pay you.", "how dare you try to grow the sport!", "That’s why Magnus is the fucking goat. He is the chad of chess. He will shitpost from a hot tub on his cell phone while livestreaming himself destroying gms in bullet. It’s exactly what chess needs.", "> which should be the pinnacle of seriousness\n\nNo, no it shouldn't. Like, at all.", "It's almost as if in this case Chess IS the joke", "the video shows its a response to him asking that on her stream. there's literally zero drama here, fuck hikaru for being an actual baby man", "he's a baby that's upset he wasn't on that stage is the best i can take from it. Magnus trolled her on stream with the question, she got him back during a press conference. literally a non-issue.", "The year is 1725, Hikaru, a prominent well known rich business owner has just finished a polo match. Towel on shoulder he goes to play a chess with his fellow gentleman but by god andrea has made a joke with an old fellow about chess!!!! Shoving the customary stick up his ass, with much restrained temper, he lets us know how unacceptable it is in this day and age to encourage the common folk into a sport for only the sharpest most elite, where post game must be taken seriously. Why does the knight move, pathetic! Only questions like \"Why u draw\" \"how did draw happen\" \"why did u draw\" are important, how dare the nave ask about how does a knight move!!!! In all seriousness props to andrea for lightning the atmosphere and giving them a laugh after an intense game!", "This is such a pointless video to make. Of course there are going to be people giving her shit for this. You can post literally anything and people will be assholes about it. You could post the world's cutest puppy and if enough people see it there are going to be homophobic, misogynistic, racist etc. comment on it for literally no reason. Anyone who gets a tiny bit popular online would be able to make a video about their \"victimhood\" of online hate. This is just escalating drama for drama's sake.", "\"Take this 'L' so you remember how the knight moves\"\n\nLmao. dead", "She did great. The serious and stuffy need to get their shit checked every so often.", "This is just...cringe. Look if you want to add some levity then be more creative with the question. This comes off as less of \"I wanted to make this press conference more fun\" and more like \"Hey guys, look at how funny I am!\" It wasn't about the event or the players, it was about her.", "No joke. Like, supernaturally hot. She looks like a freakin' 3D rendering. \n\nAlso, fucking hilarious how you get downvoted for saying so. I saw a post earlier today about [how hot Brandon Fraser was](https://i.imgur.com/JYqmieu.png). It has 600+ upvotes. The incels that downvoted you aren't triggered by compliments directed at men.", "I'm absolutely appalled that this woman would undermine the integrity of the world chess championship that is being held in, uh... Dubai? \n \nOn second thought, maybe they have some much bigger issues to address than a joke interview question.", "I'm not a huge fan of a lot of the new wave of chess content, not really my cup of tea. A lot of these chess people who are blowing up on twitch made what I personally felt was better content before they started gearing their content to a more general twitch audience instead of established fans of the game. But that's okay! Plenty of other people focusing on the 'boring shit' that I'm interested in rather than joking around and doing silly shit on twitch. Just like there were plenty of people at that press conference to ask very serious questions like a dozen different variations of \"why draw tho?\"\n\nPeople who act like this took something away from the championship are just grumps. It's a big enough tent for everybody.", "I get what you mean but personally, I think it's better that she makes this video. The chess community can maybe think about relaxing a bit and not gatekeep something that thrives on popularity. It was in good fun, but people got elitist about it, and with a very popular GM calling her out for it, that makes it big enough to warrant a response. \n\nIt's just silly that it's even drama in the first place. I say milk that content, honestly.", "I think you're over-analyzing. She took an inside joke, 20 seconds of time, then sat down. Despite the quality, I'd take that over some other boring ass question.", "Yeah. I was also surprised that he was one who spoke out about it. My guess is that he didn't know that she had cleared the question with Carlson before hand and that this was a running joke between the two. Either that or, as Hikaru has admitted, he get weird around major competitions since he is a competitor himself.", "Took nothing away from the press conference. It was nice to have a little air between the inanity of some of the other questions.\n\n“Ian, why did you play a move that lost you that sequence instead of playing one of the two moves that kept it even?” \n\nAnd of course he was respectful in answering, but you could see and hear his frustration. Wtf kind of question is that?", "Judging by YouTube comments the consensus seem to be that every single question at the press conferences so far have been extremely stupid and cringe except Andrea’s question which was completely fine.", "Maybe stop whining about jokes, you man baby.", "never liked him. he always reminds me of my school bully.", "Do you understand that Reddit is not one person? The OP of this comment thread, the comment you linked, and you are all cringe.", "Although you care enough to comment you don't care which shows some care", ">It's the world stage, which should be the pinnacle of seriousness (for chess) above all other chess tournaments.\n\nWhy? Why should it be so god damn serious? [John Cleese has some words of advice for everyone thinking so](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7fyOLe-xn4)", "[Allow John Cleese to settle this matter for everyone](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7fyOLe-xn4)", "She's very smart. Pity she's extremely unattractive.", "Yawn. Who cares? It was fun.", "Clapped", "they asked if magnus would share his cake, this atleas had some chess relevancy", "Yeah it seems like they are friends so its between the two of them. Totally agree!", "I didn't really get that she was playing up the drama. She highlighted reddit posts that were really reveling in the absurdity of the question. She did address some of the negative tweets, but mostly to highlight an attitude that she finds silly. It didn't seem like she took it very seriously.", "Even worse, the 2017 championship was in Saudi-Arabia and they forced all women to wear a headscarf and alway be accompanied by a man. Some female players refused to go and Anna Muzychuk even lost her World Champion title: https://qz.com/1166305/world-chess-champion-anna-muzychuks-stand-against-saudi-arabias-misogyny-will-cost-her-two-titles/\n\n>In a few days I am going to lose two World Champion titles – one by one. Just because I decided not to go to Saudi Arabia. Not to play by someone's rules, not to wear abaya, not to be accompanied getting outside, and altogether not to feel myself a secondary creature. Exactly one year ago I won these two titles and was about the happiest person in the chess world but this time I feel really bad. I am ready to stand for my principles and skip the event, where in five days I was expected to earn more than I do in a dozen of events combined. All that is annoying, but the most upsetting thing is that almost nobody really cares. That is a really bitter feeling, still not the one to change my opinion and my principles. The same goes for my sister Mariya – and I am really happy that we share this point of view.\n\n- Anna Muzychuk\n\nAnd the current female championship has a breast implant company as their main sponsor...: https://lichess.org/blog/YVWlhhIAACUAp9eF/fide-picks-breast-implants-as-a-sponsor-for-womens-chess\n\nEdit: Correction: Iran (which hosted the women's world championship in 2017) requires headscarves and they protested about how women are treated in Saudi-Arabia and Iran", "Having the need to exist, rather!", "Yeah… «why didn’t you use a computer to find the right move?»", "Ahaha what a great response. \n\nGatekeeper mentality is the most backwards thing, people need to loosen up a bit, learn to have fun, go outside a bit more and embrace new/different people taking on these sports and hobbies.", "Yea I see what you mean. Gotta make that money.", "That's a pretty ingenious way to self-advertise.", "It's not my opinion, just trying to explain his.\n\nI personally think it's stupid that people take things too seriously. It's a press conference, and it wasn't even a random person it was a friend of his.\n\nSave that kind of thing for a funeral or something.", "Actually 3 people. Nepomniachtchi was also a part of the interview. Everybody is focusing on whether it was appropriate to ask questions like this at serious/professional events. Nobody is acknowledging that these were inside jokes that only Botez and Magnus were in on, and Nepomniachtchi was completely out of the loop. Thats a huge faux pas in comedy to use inside jokes when there are people present who are not in on it.", "Shut up, Karen.", "This was my first thought too, I think if any well known male player had shown up and asked the exact some question everyone would have politely laughed and moved on.", "... Fuck are you talking about?", "I mean she is hot, to me. For the looks but the intelligence is even more appealing. What makes me cringe is that i'm replying to you.", "What's cringe is drooling so hard over her that you need to talk about how horny she makes you.", "Why would you think I'm drooling or expressing how horny she makes me? I don't want you to feel attacked but maybe you need to work on your sense of scale. Calling someone hot on a comment on the internet is not an admission of insanity and absolutely not a catcall.", "I don't know if you do, I'm just saying that the people who do are pretty cringe.", "Cringe is just smelling reality.", "I completely agree. It was irrelevant to him and I'm sure there were some people asking WTF was that about? Maybe they investigate and see some fun videos that are entertaining. Say what you will about Alex and Andrea, but they are entertaining." ]	133	videos	Andrea Botez responds to chess gatekeepers that got upset after she asked a question during a boring press-conference.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r84z6f/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r84z6f/deleted_by_user/	[ "This is cringe, thanks for posting. \n\nThe scarf on mr mat, do people in Cali even wear scarfs?\n\nMr spoon on his IPad lol. \n\nDropping n-bombs like it’s hot.", "Just for clarification I do apologize for this.", "I'm pretty sure you have a [brother](https://youtu.be/xC03hmS1Brk)" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/FcBlwKLNj-o	/r/videos/comments/r85clj/a_very_solar_christmas_opposites_special_why_is/	[ "Because it is unremarkable. Neither good enough or bad enough to warrant discussion.", "I love it, i recommend it to most of my friends.", "Just can't stop seeing the analogues of rick and morty characters. Just too close for mine." ]	3	videos	A Very Solar Christmas Opposites Special. Why is no one talking about Solar Opposites?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOgpz0UbPzw	/r/videos/comments/r864t3/the_worlds_kraziest_karen_acting_like_an_adult/	[ "But how did it end? Did she go to jail? Was she fined? Did she get away with it?\n\nWe need closure.", "She went back to Tattooine and held Princess Leia captive.", "Yea I have no idea what happened. I wish I did =(", "I think we found Eric Cartman's real mother.", "The mentally ill woman lost her job: \n\n[https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/lake-georgetown-park-worker-fired-following-viral-video-of-her-screaming-at-driver/269-593423807](https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local/lake-georgetown-park-worker-fired-following-viral-video-of-her-screaming-at-driver/269-593423807)", "God I wish instead of vapid interviews with actors and NHL players, these are the people that we'd get to hear from.\n\nI need to know is she mentally ill? Was she having a bad day? Is this normal? Does she think it was ok?\n\nWith so many people trying to make it on youtube, I feel like if someone just went around interviewing these crazies from minor viral videos and slipping them like 80 bucks for the interview, it'd get their channel off the ground\n\nedit: oh yea thank you btw for finding out some info", "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq2Q8DFrb98](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yq2Q8DFrb98)\n\nso she's been posted here before and this wasn't her first rodeo.\n\nThis video is kind of terrifying to me because I bet people haven't had a video recording device handy before and I bet she has bullied the situation into getting her way. People have probably suffered numerous times thanks to her. She's mentally ill and yet she was in a position to hassle people.\n\n[https://www.yelp.ca/biz/cedar-breaks-park-georgetown?start=20](https://www.yelp.ca/biz/cedar-breaks-park-georgetown?start=20)\n\nLook at that review from 2017. It's dangerous to have people like this woman free to act out like that" ]	7	videos	The worlds Kraziest Karen acting like an adult - humans are the worst animals on earth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ5wFDSD9is	/r/videos/comments/r86em5/the_kid_in_gym_class_who_always_got_an_ice_pack/	[ "Coming back to YT and not addressing the situation. Bold move Cotton, let's see how it plays out. Currently at 2.1K dislikes.", "The one creator who's happy dislikes are private.", "Let the hate flow through you reddit! Here is your opportunity!", "I’m in the dark, can you or someone else explain why I’m supposed to hate him?", "Among other things, deciding to go have \"beers with the boys\" while his girlfriend was literally dying in the hospital and getting emergency surgery. She got pregnant and immediately he became upset because a baby would \"ruin his comedy career.\" If you watch Sabrina's video, she went through a LOT of trauma due to an undiagnosed ectopic pregnancy that was sending her to the doctors every day (understandably she was in horrible pain), and Gus apparently could not give less of a shit." ]	5	videos	The kid in gym class who always got an ice pack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilAv8SzB_Aw	/r/videos/comments/r87l76/company_advertises_themselves_by_telling_you_why/	[ "My enemies will be receiving much immediately", "\"Oh shit oh shit we're late HONEY GET IN THE CAR NOW!!!\"\n\n_Garage door opens._\n\n\"OH BLOODY HELL.\"", "Or maybe in 6-7 weeks... it just depends.", "I wish I had enough property to require a free drop. Imma go talk to the neighbors.", "Ive gotten a couple rounds fo chips through them - it's a lot of work to move it all by yourself w a wheelbarrow but totally worth if if you're working on long term soil quality improvement over a large area", "Well, there goes my deposit.\n\n^Worth ^it.", "Oh shit, I can see this being abused heavily. Don't like someone? Put in their address. Kids want to mess with their school? Send them a fucking dumptruck of mulch and logs.\n\nI don't know, this is an awesome thing for people it applies to, but I can see it being used for \"just pranks bro\" as well.", "I mean, with that much it might be worth it to just rent a skidsteer. Not sure of the prices, but learning to drive one is piss easy (tank controls to drive, pedals work the bucket/attachment, at least in my experience). It can easily make a weeks worth of work (or more) into something completed in a day or two. Just always make sure to actually learn how to drive the machine since you can fuck a lot of stuff up with one, or maim/kill someone (yourself as well) if you're not aware of your surroundings and careful.\n\nAll in all, they're easy to drive and can cut your work down considerably, really just depends on the price to rent one, and if you can actually access the area with it.", "Oh how I wish political ads worked this way. How sweet the world could be.", "It's convenient that I just moved into the lobby of the local Wells Fargo.", "My municipality does this once a year! You get to specify the amount and I asked for 2 cubic meter. They dumped an entire truckload on my driveway, about 8 cubic meter. Luckily my neighbours wanted to take some, ended up with the entire street having enough mulch. \n \nSo now we just order an entire truckload each year to share with all neighbours.", "This was my FIRST thought too. How easily this can be used maliciously... \n\nI initially want to blame the internet for ruining me but have to remember humans are inherently malicious I guess.", "Do they ask for proof of address? Asking for a friend 😂", "shhh", "linda casa", "How much mulch would a mulcher mulch if a mulcher mulched much mulch?", "why is an ad on the front page?\n\nthis is literally just an ad campaign", "I posted it because I thought it was funny, I'm not associated with this company. Which front page??", "A mulcher can mulch as much mulch as a mulcher mulches.\n\nPretty simple math.", "It's a free service?", "It looks like you have to register so I'd hesitate before doing it. I don't know what laws would be broken but anything that 'leaves' a 'paper'-trail should be rethought.", "Free for people who want mulch but they definitely make money from people who pay to access the list. I get your point though.", "The other guy is an arborist, who this would be an ad for since they have to pay to be notified of where to dump their chip.\n\n^(/s)", "VPN + burner email address FTW!\n\n(Disclaimer: Only speaking theoretically)", "Honestly, I really just wanted to make a few puns. Not get embroiled in the legalities of malicious chip dumping and the work arounds for such acts. \n\nThen you told me about burner addresses and VPNs. \n\nMy world has changed.", "This is why you shouldn't vote for me, Joe Biden. I sit directly in the middle of the political spectrum neither favoring leftist or rightist solutions, I'll really just sign any bill that comes in front of me. That means everyone gets a little bit of what they want but no one actually gets what they want. I've also been in government for a long time, I'm like really old. I voted for every single war since Vietnam. If a war came along with Canada, I'd run for Congress again just so I could vote for it too.\n\nYou may have seen many awkward images of me floating around with children. If that makes you feel awkward but less awkward than Donald Trump raping women, I'm your candidate.\n\nVote Joe Biden 2020.... I'm not Donald Trump.", "We can solve this problem with blockchain.", "Or just have a couple of kids. I'm pretty sure the only reason my parents created my brother and I was so that they could force us to wheelbarrow their mulch", "Ah, takes me back to when my dad would order a truck full of logs for the winter. I'd have to help carry them from the driveway round to the log store on a rainy Saturday morning. Then spend Sunday helping him chop them.", "I think this is really well done, it clearly highlights the downsides so you can make an informed decision and you can't complain that it's not what you expected", "Thing is if you are in Russia/China you can literally pick a random address and sign up for it and you know nothing will ever happen to you (will probably need to use a VPN)\n\nI kind of hope they mail something to the address getting you to mail back that you indeed want this service", "....All that mulch spreads the damaging tree diseases and insect populations that took out the trees before they were mulch.....for FREE", "Got my vote", "underrated comment", "The delivery of this ad is genius. Hard to complain about anything with it being free. I'm intrigued by the business model. Is this scalable or sustainable? I'm also not sure I'm asking the right question.", "That high pitched sound should be banned. fuck me ears!!!!!! Surround Sound with tweeters beware.", "you just made me puke.", "You forgot the /s", "I remember log chopping weekends. \"Remember to let gravity do most of the work. You have a cord to get through\" Thanks dad.", "The ad said you don't get to pick the amount, so it actually might not be much. sorry", "To Shell headquarters you go!", "There's definitely no mailback if she had a drop in a few hours.", "Yeah this definitely feels like a \"not your average homeowner\" kind of thing, but if you own some land and have some help, free mulch is pretty awesome.", "mmm, wood mulch...I can hear the termites discussing their battle plans already. Hey ! Them termites just rang the dinner bell, enjoy them in your yard.\n\nIf it was not mentioned, I think this would be an SNL-ish type sketch...", "[Hey Jimmy, next time you have an idea, run it through the test before you embarrass yourself.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7vDlrpmFsM)", "We’ve used them a few times, once specifically to get log for firewood. Always worth it, always a lot of work.", "This really is worth considering. Over the last few years Ash Borer beetles have absolutely tore through Ash trees near me. A large portion of what has gone through our chippers has been ash.\n\nCertain other trees should not really be used for mulch for other reasons. Black Walnut as an example produces a chemical (juglone) that can be toxic for some plants, trees and shrubs.", "The advertising equivalent of Eminems battle rap in 8 mile.", "God, can you imagine the absolute fucking whiplash from an honest Trump campaign ad?\n\n\"Hello, I'm Donald Trump. Despite posing as a successful businessman and self-made billionaire, most of my wealth is either inherited or haphazardly cobbled together from various schemes of wildly varying legality. My narcissistic personality prevents me from forging any meaningful connection with the people around me, and the only way I know to fill the gaping, bottomless void where a soul should be is by lashing out at everyone and anyone over even the smallest imagined slight, which is not a great quality for someone in charge of America's vast nuclear arsenal. My complete and utter lack of anything even remotely resembling a moral compass makes me an ideal politician, at least as far as lobbyists for big money interests are concerned. A heretofore undiagnosed learning disability prevents me from processing even marginally complex information, so the entirety of my policy positions are underpinned by an understanding of the world equivalent to that of a somewhat dull third grader. However, this profound intellectual deficiency makes me seem like a plain-talking man of the people, and my penchant for gross oversimplification and outright distortion of facts allows me to offer an endless supply of solutions to America's problems that are as straightforward as they are unworkable and often counterproductive. Thanks to my despotic and cruel parenting style, my family of misbegotten homunculi will do whatever I tell them to and never question my actions, which makes them extremely poor advisers; regardless, I will try to assign them important roles in my administration in an attempt to keep my grift of the American people going indefinitely.\n\nI am Donald Trump, and I approve this message.\"", ">Not sure of the prices\n\nThe cheapest skidsteer rental at Home Depot in my area is $320+tax per day.", "> Black Walnut as an example produces a chemical (juglone) that can be toxic for some plants, trees and shrubs.\n\nHuh. I think I have a black walnut tree in my new yard by the driveway. Do I have to do anything special, will it kill my stuff or stain my cars or anything?", "Jus chips? Or some logs?", "The psychological underpinnings of... President Trump... is probably the least interesting part of him from a political perspective. \n\nInstead. Things like: his complete moral bankruptcy led to such extreme misappropriation of funds from a charitable organization in his name that he was fined 2 million dollars.\n\nI feel like this isn't scathing enough.", "The arborists are paying. It’s actually pretty hard to find good, legal, dumping ground around the residential areas that they work in. So, they pay a small fee to chip drop to basically be the front-end between them and anyone who wants mulch around their area. \n\nIt’s a basic “sharing economy” model, applied to mulch. Doubt they make allot of money, but there’s barely any overhead either. It’s probably a good lifestyle business for the owner.", "My city offers free mulch at the dump. Is that not normal?", "That sucks. Around here you can rent a skidsteer for a full day for half that. It's only ~600$ per week as well.", "Not all ads are evil\n\nEdit: \"nope, just a tide ad\"", "you've really got a chip on your shoulder", "That's the entire business model for most web-based companies. Make the least hassle possible for signups + services and dodge the blame for what your services enabled. If they required a notarized paper from the receiver authorizing the dump, then they'd get very few signups. If they required the dumper to get a receiver signature on-site, dumpers would inevitably get rejected at a higher rate and they wouldn't want to use the service.", "They already are. Most of them are saying why their competitors are bad and less about why them themselves are good.", "The above comment was stolen from [this one](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87l76/company_advertises_themselves_by_telling_you_why/hn5itsv/) elsewhere in this comment section.\n\nIt is probably not a coincidence; here is some more evidence against this user:\n\nPlagiarized \| Original\n-------- \| -----------\n[semi truth by the way](http://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r8comn/the_queen_of_christmas/hn61t4w/) \| [semi truth by the way](http://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r8comn/the_queen_of_christmas/hn5hlyv/)\n[Yeah. I mean. Isn't that...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r80vv0/im_never_going_to_find_a_soul_mate/hn620ez/) \| [Yeah. I mean. 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Definitely using my kids if we ever get a house, haha!", "The above comment was stolen from [this one](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87l76/company_advertises_themselves_by_telling_you_why/hn53rrv/) elsewhere in this comment section.\n\nIt is probably not a coincidence; here is some more evidence against this user:\n\nPlagiarized \| Original\n-------- \| -----------\n[Taking pictures of strang...](http://np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/r8g248/what_is_something_thats_perfectly_legal_but/hn62n86/) \| [Taking pictures of strang...](http://np.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/r8g248/what_is_something_thats_perfectly_legal_but/hn5nyed/)\n[appearance of impropriety...](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87x4m/body_cameras_dont_lie/hn62m1e/) \| [Yup. appearance of i...](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87x4m/body_cameras_dont_lie/hn5clbf/)\n[I know a Kia dealer where...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r80vv0/im_never_going_to_find_a_soul_mate/hn62hw8/) \| [I know a Kia dealer where...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r80vv0/im_never_going_to_find_a_soul_mate/hn3uf2u/)\n[Probably a banana left on...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r8fhxa/why_did_the_chicken_cross_the_road/hn62j94/) \| [Probably a banana left on...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r8fhxa/why_did_the_chicken_cross_the_road/hn5j7re/)\n\nbeep boop, I'm a bot -\|:] It is this bot's opinion that [/u/OkIntroduction6917](https://np.reddit.com/u/OkIntroduction6917/) should be banned for karma manipulation. 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They called me and asked where I wanted it. You also get to take pictures of where to drop it off and can provide a description. Yes, it's a lot of chips. I also won't need any for a couple years. Plus the pile starts to compost. Awesome mulch for the garden.", "Humans are inherently good. Malicious just makes the news, and your negativity bias makes the thought stick. Living for fear of others drives you to anxiety, and a shorter lifespan.\n\nIt's easier to just remember people, when faced with difficulty, always help each other out. Today you, tomorrow me.", "[Just send it to Jesus.. Care of the Pentagon](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kFOsguy3qg&t=5s)", "Unexpected chips is still better the Unexpected swat.", "It was a joke FFS... Sheesh.", "That's not how disposal of diseased trees work in most cities. Diseased trees are specifically separated from normal yard waste to avoid it spreading. Arborists dealing with diseased trees would need to deal with the mulch separately as well. \n\nBy far the majority of work would be people getting rid of trees because they are old, ugly, in the way, cleared for sight or powerlines, trimmed, or unsafe. The mulch they are dropping off would have been put into the compost pile that almost every single dump has.", "I'm stumped as well", "Can I be your enemy?", "You can specify where they should drop it.", "In my area I think they pay to dump them at a city managed dumping area so this is a cheaper alternative for them and it should work out for residents as well.", "My city has low cost mulch, but you still have to get it to your house. Even if you have a pickup truck, which not everyone does, it would take a lot of trips to get this much mulch, plus you'd have to manually remove it from your truck bed every time. You can pay to have someone deliver it like this, but it will cost a few hundred bucks - at least that's what it cost me to get a few yards of compost delivered like this.", "Are you a billionaire?", "comments like these are why i keep coming back here", "I love this comment, but there's some big boy words in there I cant even imagine him pronouncing lol", "I'm so confused why is this add here.", "Biden is the guy who finally - finally - ended the war in Afghanistan. And weirdly Americans reacted with anger how it wasn't all sunshine and rainbows, simultaneously also complaining that Biden just likes wars too much", "I did it all myself but had a lot of free time. Definitely wouldn't reccomend unless you're absolutely certian you have a use for it", "My sophomore year spring break had just started and I came home from school to pallets of fencing in the backyard. My dad showed me how to put up a couple of the panels and then my brother and I spent the next ten days just putting up fence around the house. It's still standing twenty years later.", "My dad wanted a concrete sidewalk on the side of the house and my brother and I had to transport the concrete bags in a store cart from the hardware store down the street. He didn't want to use his car because the weight could hurt the suspension and multiple trips were out of the question because it was more fuel efficient to use his two sons. It took nearly fifty bags to put up a sidewalk and a little pad for a shed on the side of the house. Then we got hit by code enforcement because the shed was too close to the property line, so my brother and I had to use a jackhammer to break apart that concrete into little pieces and then slowly get rid of it in the trash pickup over the course of a few weeks.", "Biden reluctantly ended the war in Afghanistan. Trump had put in place measures to end the occupation by May of this year. At the time there were only 700 US troops in Afghanistan and finishing that would have been relatively easy. But Biden had other priorities and decided the pull out date would be September 11th instead. The Taliban began making their moves to retake the country the second Biden tore up the peace agreement. By August 11th the US was completely surrounded and all US forces were now holding the airport attempting to get out as many people as possible before the country was overrun.\n\nBiden didn't end the war, the Taliban did. The Taliban kicked the US out of the country.", "I've used chipdrop a few times. It's great. Really improved the quality of the soil around my home.\n\nAnyway, they don't just dump it. They call you on the phone and verifiy that you want it first. They also knocked on my door and ask where to put it. \n\n\nSo they're not that irresponsible.", "Lol what? The taliban just decided this? No. The US could have stayed indefinitely and did so before", "Yes. Are you not aware of this? The Taliban conquered all of the country but the airport by August 11th. The Taliban made a deal to let the Americans leave (without Taliban attacking the airport). The US did not have any means of staying in the country any longer without starting a brand new all out war. That is to say, the US would have had to fully leave and then plan a new war in a few months.\n\nIf you want to get technical, okay Biden didn't decide to engage America in a new full on war with Afghanistan. He also didn't decide to do the same to 330 other countries.", "That's because America decided not to fight the war anymore. It's not like the taliban suddenly decided to win the war. The US basically allowed it", "That's called surrendering. Are you wanting to say that Joe Biden ended the war in Afghanistan by surrendering to the overwhelming and powerful Taliban?\n\nThis sounds like a Vietnam era argument. \"We didn't lose we left.\"", ">That's called surrendering. Are you wanting to say that Joe Biden ended the war in Afghanistan by surrendering to the overwhelming and powerful Taliban?\n\n\nIdk why you're putting all these emotional and loaded terms into it\n\nSure call it a surrender, it's not because of the overwhelming power of the taliban. The US just wasn't getting anything out of staying. I had no idea this all was so controversial lol, it seems obvious \n\n>This sounds like a Vietnam era argument. \"We didn't lose we left.\"\n\nWhat's the difference?", "How is surrendering an emotionally loaded term?\n\nThe US had been trying to win a war against the Taliban for almost 20 years at the time of surrender. America did not have the power and resources to ever overwhelm the Taliban.\n\nIt's called the graveyard of empires. Many empires have come to Afghanistan, all have failed.", ">How is surrendering an emotionally loaded term?\n\nI didn't say it was, I said it in regards to overwhelming power \n\n>The US had been trying to win a war against the Taliban for almost 20 years at the time of surrender. America did not have the power and resources to ever overwhelm the Taliban.\n\n\nYou really think that? The US could've nuked them if they wanted to lol. They obviously didn't want to (thankfully) \n\n>It's called the graveyard of empires. Many empires have come to Afghanistan, all have failed.\n\nAre you some sort of afghan nationalist? What's with the weird taliban propaganda bent", "The US could not nuke them if they wanted to because it would set off counter measures with other nations. America dropped their second largest bomb, the MOAB and it did nothing.", "That's not really refuting the fact that the taliban would be defeated, America just wouldn't want to do it. You're literally agreeing with me.\n\nNot really sure what your point is anyway. Are you saying the US surrendered due to the overwhelming power of the taliban? Is that your point?", "What is your point? That in a hypothetical world where the US decided to drop a nuke on Afghanistan and then countermeasures came from Russia and America got nuked.... America would have beaten Afghanistan?\n\nYep, you got me. America could have beaten The Taliban if only they did all the things they didn't do.\n\nWhat's your point? My point is that Biden wasn't responsible for the war ending. Trump wanted to end it... but Biden was trying to keep it going.\n\nNow your whole point has transcended from Biden ended the war to... Biden could have won the war if he only used nukes. Grow up man. America lost another war, get over it.", "I don't particulary care if America won or lost another war or not. \n\nI mean you're the one who suddenly and out of nowhere started talking about America surrendering to the overwhelming power of the Taliban.\n\nIdk why still, to this point.", "You've forgotten why you brought this stuff up? Your argument was that America didn't lose the war they decided to leave. Is this what trolling looks like?", "I never wanted to make an emotional or pride based stance about whether America truly lost or whatever. \n\nI thought it was fairly non controversial to say America had enough firepower to fight indefinitely, it was a choice not to. That to me is obvious, and not an argument, but it triggered you into this nationalist, emotional, weird confrontation about the usa's pride or whatever. I'm honestly not sure how you derailed it so bad, or why.", "No matter who made that decision, they would have faced backlash imo. Probably why Obama decided to leave it for someone else, despite his promises.", "Also why Trump's time line was after the election.\n\nPeople wanted the war to end but without any problems which wasn't really possible" ]	105	videos	Company advertises themselves by telling you why you shouldn't use them
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7YW045deBY	/r/videos/comments/r87lg8/trevor_moore_gays_got_married/	[ "RIP Trevor. Such amazing talent to be lost in such a tragic accident - Stupid balcony :(", "I heard, at his funeral, they made him into a marionette and acted out his major life events. :( RIP", "You really introduced me to this hilarity only to tell me he's dead. Not cool bro. :(", "That doesn't mean you can't enjoy his work. \n\nStart [here.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ME7smdgMVr4)", "I heard Darren played the part of all his girlfriends", "I know but it's a bummer.", "This was my favourite video of his:\nhttps://youtu.be/sPzJjNQaYEA" ]	7	videos	Trevor Moore - Gay's Got Married
https://video.twimg.com/amplify_video/1466821482609324032/vid/540x540/WrHOlRc6R3-danno.mp4	/r/videos/comments/r87o8f/this_made_me_sick_to_my_stomach_i_think_we_can/	[ "To mods:\n\nI hope you don't remove this post because of no politics, this doesn't fit the bill. \n\n~~I don't know how I can crosspost to multiple subbreddits here, so I'm going to be crossposting one subreddit at a time. it's mostly going to be politics related subreddits.~~ nvm, seems like I can't crosspost.\n\nWe need to agree on something, right?", "What exactly is it that makes you sick about this?", "I take this back. Because it's imposing my view on the real story, whereas I think watching the lady read the press gives the real sequence of events. How we interpret it is, well it's different. Depends on our values. But values that I believe ultimately agree on: A child murdering children is so heinous, that no matter how, it needs to stop.\n \n~~A child murdered other children. And his parents were helping him execute their plan.~~", "I couldn't belive it when I read that they actually bought him the weapon as a gift. That made me sick too", "Actually no words to portray how shockin it is...I realise those are words", "I updated my answer.", "I updated my answer." ]	7	videos	This made me sick to my stomach. I think we can all agree on this. Right?
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87x4m/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r87x4m/deleted_by_user/	[ "Trump flag proudly hung in his garage, too.", "The age of cameras which can not lie is past.", "According the the former cop shooter, it's OK the he had his weapon drawn \"in case\" there was a confrontation. Seems to me like a drawn weapon would escalate things, especially when he admitted no threats were made, no threatening gestures were made, and he didn't think there would be a confrontation.\n\nSounds like drunk ex cop was power tripping and attempted murder on his neighbor.", "Man he must be in shock right? It's like he doesn't even react to the bullet in his gut, even when he's talking to 911 he seems calm and fine. Must be adrenaline", "right? isnt brandishing a crime?", "In the UK and some other countries like New Zealand, regular police don’t carry firearms because they quickly escalate the situation.", "that's why you always carry, brandishing isn't a defensive measure, it's a threat", "It's funny how self defense only seems to apply to the guy with the gun. But not for the guy who has a gun pointed at them.\n\nIf you walk towards someone pointing a gun at you or try to take their gun away so they can't kill you, that's seen as threatening behavior, but pointing the fucking gun isn't?\n\n\"Oh my god he's trying to take my gun, he's gonna kill me!\" BITCH YOU HAVE THE GUN RIGHT NOW. Why is it a threat when he has the gun but not when you have it?", "Brandishing has a lot of gray area in it. You have to prove that the person was showing the gun in a rude, threatening manner. And another element is that it doesn't apply if you are defending yourself. So if you are on your property, and someone is coming at you, you take out your gun because you are scared: that is not brandishing. \n\nI mean, he probably very much was brandishing here. I'm just saying, there's a lot of _interpretation_ as to whether or not showing a gun constitutes brandishing.", "But you're not defending yourself. You are the danger.\n\nLet's say a robber breaks into your house and points a gun at you. You charge him to defend your family and he shoots you dead. Was he engaging in self defense? Obviously not.\n\nNow let's repeat the experiment with a robber in a parking lot. Does the location matter? Surely not, he's a criminal threatening you with a gun.\n\nNow let's say you have no idea what the motivations of the man with the gun are. He just randomly walks up to you in the parking lot, points a gun at you, and says \"freeze\". At what point is he allowed to murder you when you attempt to defend yourself from this threat upon your life?\n\nWhen you threaten someone with death, they fight to survive, and you kill them, that is not self defense.", "It varies from state to state in America. In some states you always have a duty to retreat in order for self defense to apply. So if you point a gun at a burglar and he runs away, you can't shoot him in the back.\n\nSome have the castle doctrine which means you don't have a duty to retreat if you're in your home.\n\nOthers have stand your ground laws which do away with duty to retreat entirely and legalize murder in many cases. You just have to walk up to someone, point a gun at them, and wait for them to do anything you can justify as threatening.", "I'm shocked to see a Trump sign in that guy's garage.", "Pointing a gun at someone is definitely brandishing unless it meets the criteria for deadly force being self defense.", "If I were a serial killer, which I'm not, I could kill anybody I want, which I wouldn't because a serial killer targets specific people, and get away with it by claiming self defense?", "Not all serial killers target specific people. While a lot of them do it's not a requirement to be considered a serial killer.", "Let's say it's one that targets specific people, would that effect a possible self-defense claim?", "It must eat him up knowing there are immigrants living next door in what looks like a much bigger house.", "Yes, I'm sure after a couple of times they'll catch on.", "This comment is copied and pasted from the video.", "I guess that big zipper scar next to the bullet wounds was just for show then.", ">If you walk towards someone pointing a gun at you or try to take their gun away so they can't kill you, that's seen as threatening behavior, but pointing the fucking gun isn't?\n\nThere's a NSFL video from Thanksgiving where a dude is trying to pick up his son and gets into a fight with his ex-wife. It's just a normal, dumb shouting match that happens thousands of times per day. Then the psycho boyfriend of the ex-wife goes in and grabs his AR15. Up until this point no one had laid a finger on anyone else. Then the dad gets upset that this dude is bringing a gun into the situation so he starts getting in the dudes face and shoving him, and the dude executes his ass in cold blood.\n\nIn America if you play your cards right you can get away with murder by bringing a gun into a shouting match and baiting the dude into making one wrong move.", "If some dude comes into your garage aggressively youre are well within your rights to be armed.", "Blocking a body camera or turning it off she be automatic grounds for termination and prosecution for evidence tampering. \n\nIt really gets me how bold they are. They don't care that they're shown purposely blocking their cameras, they don't care that they're shown and heard asking if other cops are live or hot, and being shown turning them off. \n\nThey know that won't get them in any serious trouble, and that is fucking bullshit.", "Covid kills more cops than bullets. If they cared about their lives they'd be vaccinated. But they \"bravely\" fight those mandates, so they should gladly go without guns too. Also other countries have trained armed response units to handle dangerous encounters, every traffic cop doesn't need a gun.", "Why is it even an option to turn off the body cam while on duty? It's just admitting guilt lol", "Why do people call a gun that is anything slightly larger than a pistol an AR-15?", "Did you see the video? It's definitely an AR style rifle...\n\nhttps://www.insideedition.com/texas-man-claims-he-fatally-shot-girlfriends-ex-husband-in-self-defense-during-child-custody-71640\n\nEdit: I understand the technical difference now,\nThe gun in question: https://ruger.com/products/pcCarbine/models.html", "Figures the cop/shooter has a giant cult banner for his supreme leader on the wall.", "Yes the first move in self defense should usually be approach person with the gun and attempt to wrestle it away from them.\n\nI'm amazed sometimes that you are likely real people", "How is it political to charge a criminal with a crime they committed?", "Something tells me this guy wasn’t voting for Hilary", "No it's not.", "It's a Ruger PC carbine it fires standard 9 mm and 40s&w handgun ammo depending on the model.", "The person with the gun is the one who approached the victim.", "That's like saying a BRAT is the same thing as a Dodge Ram. Kind of, but not really.", "You obviously didn't watch the video. Not even the shooter was claiming that.", "You ever heard of Darian Jarrot?", "I saw the video.\n\nThe dad was on the homeowner's property. This is Texas. Homeowner told him to leave. The police were called and on their way. Dad refused to move, kept shouting and yelling threats. Homeowner grabbed his gun. Then the dad said 'you better shoot me fucker because I'm grabbing that gun and killing you', at which point he moved towards the homeowner, and started grabbing his gun. Homeowner then pushed him away and shot him.\n\nLesson is: if someone with a fucking gun tells you to get off their property, you get off their fucking property. You don't try to grab their gun. You don't make threats. Whatever shit you have with your ex wife and your visitation rights with your kids you solve away from the guy with the gun. Wait for the police to come. Don't try to attack the guy with the gun.", "Yes, I have seen the video which is exactly why I posted my comment. That thing is no where close to an AR-15, it’s not even a rifle caliber.", "nah", "Maybe I'm tripping but every person in this videos kind of comes across as disingenuous. That said, between an alcoholic trigger happy ex-cop and bipolar neighbor who seems to go where ever they feel like going during their episodes I'm kind of surprised this didn't turn out worse or happen sooner.\n\nEdit: In case it looks like I'm trying to support this cop fuck him and the crooked pd supporting him. It just sounds like things are willingly being left out in the video.", "welp, feel free to wrestle people for their guns when you encounter them, I guess lol", "It wasnt an AR15 it was some other rifle and he is going to be arrested and charged with murder. The shooter is well connected and married to a judge so that is probably why he was not arrested on the spot. But there is no way they dont try him for murder that was not a justified self defense shooting. Just because you claim self defense does not mean you can get away with murder", "This is bullshit. Patrol Cops don't need guns, they just make things worse. At the swat team level it is time to get the guns, traffic stops don't require firearms, just a change in the way they are conducted to keep the officers safe.", "I will firearm my gun at whatever I please.", "My point is he turned a normal shouting match into a homicide. The situation was totally under control under someone brought a gun into it. People get emotional when they feel like their kid is being withheld from them.", "Yup, that's what a cop who doesn't want to give up his power trip would say.", "No, not for evidence tampering. It should reverse the onus of any crimes which may have occurred during the camera outage. That is to say: if you are a police officer, and your camera turns off for any reason, you are guilty of any crime you may have committed during that period until you prove your own innocence.", "Why do gun lovers get such a boner when someone isn't intimately familiar with the correct terminology when theres thousands of subjects where they would be equally ignorant? \"It's not a grasshopper, it's a Schistocerca piceifrons you idiot\"", "Why do gun lovers get such a boner when someone isn't intimately familiar with the correct terminology when theres thousands of subjects where they would be equally ignorant? \"It's not a grasshopper, it's a Schistocerca piceifrons you idiot\"", "I'm not saying it's a sensible move, but some people react differently when their lives are threatened.", "It hardly matters.", "Some are just pricks. Others see BS gun facts and names/terms spouted in news/media and seek to correct something someone heard or saw incorrectly i would guess.", "People are reaching out in desperation for anything they can imagine will control these monsters.", "“Go wherever they feel like”? He blocked the public walkway and pointed a gun at his neighbor for walking around his truck", "This is what’s wrong with news/media/YouTube crap… there is an obvious narrative and bias in this video. Yes, the responding officers handled this unprofessionally, but they keep cutting the footage and blow over the fact that the guy is bi-polar and has mental issue. He is a big dude and if the former officer was protecting himself after a scuffle for the gun, he’s the victim.\n\nJust present the facts and don’t push an opinion. Let the viewers decide on their own who they think is at fault.", "I think a fundamental change in the way police operate would be far more effective in protecting the lives of police and civilians than having armed patrols. Police are involved in violence because they are armed, if you designed patrol policing from the ground up to keep unarmed police safe we could reduce the number of violent acts on and by police drastically. There should be 2 levels of police, unarmed patrol who respond first and try to deal with a situation without putting themselves in danger, and the second tier highly trained officers who are armed and prepared to deal with violence. Tier one can create a perimeter and monitor the situation if they can't deal with it. Armed patrol can drive a mobile arsenal and arm the tier one guys in certain situations if necessary. All it takes is thinking outside the box and a willingness for the cops to give up the power to arbitrarily take a life. I have no expectation that the police will willingly give up this power. Police are supposed to be public servants, and they volunteer to serve their community. This would also keep out the wanna be Rambos from being cops in the first place, knowing that they will be serving unarm until they prove they have the judgement to be trusted with a firearm. The only situation where this doesn't work is cops being ambushed by armed criminals, how often exactly do you think that happens? Are in those situations does being armed and returning fire more effective that retreating to a safe distance and calling for backup? The answers are almost never and no.", "Video is chopped up with an obvious bias, but sounds pretty bad for the cop. Although wtf is this guy doing trying to “quiet” a neighbors dogs by going in his backyard at night?", "Yeah we're definitely not hearing the full story here. I'm not trying to blindly support the ex-cop here but the reporting is clearly super biased so I can't trust what they're reporting as the truth.", "I was more referring to the part where they say he one time went in to his neighbors backyard to quiet his dogs.", "The situation was totally not under control. If it was under control, there wouldn't be shouting, verbal threats, refusals to leave, and ultimately, an unfortunate death. \n\nThe ex husband was livid with anger and behaving irrationally. The boyfriend wanted him to leave. The ex husband refused. Even in the face of imminent, apparent death, he chose to act aggressively and in a threatening manner. Absolutely nothing about this screams \"under control\". \n\nThe only thing the absence of a gun would've changed is potentially who ended up dead or in the ER. And the smaller guy didn't want to play those odds, because he doesn't fucking need to. It's his property, his safety, and his right to defend himself and his property.", "That’s not how it should be for people in power, especially people with the ability to literally kill someone. Innocent until proven guilty should only apply to regular people. Doing it any other way has only proven that those in power who are corrupt can just get away with it.", "I’m not a gun lover but it does bother me when people spread misinformation and then act like it doesn’t matter", "That's too far. I think its simpler. Verbal eyewitness testimony by police should no longer be admissible as any sort of evidence. If there's no footage, it didn't happen. You have to incentive the cops into wanting to use their video equipment, wanting to take care of it, wanting to leave it on, and the only way to do that is to make it indispensible to their job. No shortcuts, no 'but like 15 of us saw it so let us testify just this once'. No camera, no conviction. You found a pound of cocaine, an IED, and a severed human hand in a guys pants? Better have video of you pulling it out with no fishy cuts in the middle where you 'accidentally' turned your camera off while you shoved a bag in the guys pants as he's lying cuffed on the ground. \n\nAnd if some people get off because of that, I'm ok with that, because it still means that, in the long run, policing will improve. When they stop having so much incentive to lie, intimidate, frame people, etc, they'll stop practicing those skills and the culture will change.", "Dude, being a farmer is more dangerous than being a cop. Being a garbage collector is more dangerous. You don’t see garbage collectors strapped up do you? Being a cop does have inherent risks in it, but not as much as you seem to believe.", "Its violent because of terrible laws, extreme punishments, and the guns the cops themselves carry escalating every single interaction with law enforcement to \"I am dealing with a person who WILL kill me if I don't comply.\"\n\nThat makes people fight. \n\nIf a cop didn't have a gun, and pulled someone with a warrant over, they're not going to shoot the cop that isn't trying to kill them. They will just leave. At which point the cop gets on the radio and calls in actual backup.\n\nBouncers have a far more violent job than police do and they manage it without a gun.", "You have a very strong “us vs them” mentality that exists in comic books but in no way applies to the actual real world.\n\nEither everyone has rights or no one does. You can’t arbitrarily decide.", "Could he have just stayed inside and locked the doors? Didn’t seem like the guy was trying to break in.", "Yeah, brandishing is a threat, not a \"defensive move\", it's intimidation. \"I lost this argument so instead of getting my ass kicked, like I should, gonna brandish a, 'boom stick', to 'win' the argument.\"\n\nCowards, all around the GOP. Cowards.", "What kinda neighbor refuses to quiet their dogs and leaves them out at unreasonable hours and shoots a man for simply being on their lawn?", "I don’t disagree. It is weird though.", "Did he not have a gun?", "It's destroying evidence and if we had a reasonable justice system they would all be found guilty", "And being weird and trespassing still isn't grounds for a round to the body.", "Its made up in your head. You need to calm down. You are attributing things that aren't there and are apparently unable to interpret the topic.", "No, if you are given authority by the state over the well-being over regular citizens (I.e. cops all the way up to the President) they need to be held to a much higher standard than the average citizen. Being a cop is not a class, it is a job. If you cannot handle the extra layers of security needed to make sure corruption does not happen, you can find another job.", "Did you seriously miss the part about being bi-polar?", ">It's just a normal, dumb shouting match that happens thousands of times per day. \n\nI think it's also worth noting that the dumb shouting match was over the ex-wife failing to let their son do his legally required visitation. So not only was it a dumb shouting match, it was a dumb shouting match manufactured by the folk who murdered him.", "For fucking real. It's wild how people conflate \"Killing that human was unjustified\" with \"I think every action that person has taken is indicative of intelligence, good character, and frankly he deserves a parade\".", "yet for a large portion of our country that's exactly how the justice system works.", "Yea, blame alcohol. Not him just being a psycho piece of shit.", "Worked for Kyle.", "The thin blue line refers the area between the truth and a lie where you or your buddies can get away with stuff that regular citizens cannot.", "Another weak bitch resorting to guns.\n\nUse your fists like the proud owner of an actual penis.", "Oof. Watch the trial and make this same comment.", "Because of who the audience is. Like 99.99% of people who are watching this in this thread arent from sugerland and aren't watching it to inform their choices in the next sugarland election. For basically everyone here this is about other things than the politics you speak of.", "Or, and I say this as a gun owner; don't use your fists either. Use your voice or your patience.", "It’s Texas", "Kyle was an idiot to bring gasoline to a match party. If the guy with the handgun had killed Kyle, that would also have been self defense as the ones shot seemed to think Kyle was an active shooter that needed to be stopped.", "You can't destroy something that doesn't exist...", "How that was all handled is not helping how the public see the police. Not one bit.", "Yeah sure buddy let's just throw innocent until proven guilty out of the window, that's totally not setting a bad precedent at all", "Doesn't matter - we still shouldn't inch further towards the presumption of guilt. Innocent people being treated like criminals is a different issue that should totally be addressed but not like this.", "No I heard it. Still makes it weird and I’m interested to read more about this.", "If turning off a body cam is admitting guilt then you staying silent during questioning is also admitting guilt.", "Oof. If you simply would just watch the trial, you’d understand why your assertion is completely incorrect. But please keep defending pedophiles, looters, and pyromaniacs.", "Well shit, if reason can sort the issue then yes, obviously do use it. But being the stupid animal we are, reason doesn’t win through all the time, in which case, don’t immediately turn to the weak option..show some restraint and have some self-respect.", "Not at all. You have the right to remain silent. Also a police officer and civilian clearly have different roles lol. A cop is at work as a public servant. They don't have the right to decide what's included.", "Not true. You can't chase someone and claim self defense", "Sure you can. It's all about the circumstances. If someone pointed a gun at you and you had a gun, you might feel threatened enough to do something before you or someone else gets shot. That would be self defense. Even if that action is just trying to get the gun away from the person who you know already shot someone else.\n\nLaw is all about the specific circumstances of what exactly happened. It's not as black and white as you might think. Rather, it gets muddy when you end up in a situation like what happened that day.", "Yeah, and a horse can fucking kick a farmer to death or be eaten alive by their pigs. Just because police have to face humans being doesn’t suddenly change the jobs danger level.", "> Why is it even an option to turn off the body cam while on duty? It's just admitting guilt lol\n\nthey shouldn't turn off for 20 minutes after they are pressed.", "No charges yet,\n\nhttps://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox7austin.com/news/texas-man-claims-self-defense-after-shooting-womans-ex-husband.amp", "Kyle didn't point a gun at him until the guy already chased him down and had a gun pointed at kyle. This was covered in the trial. \n\nAgain, you have no idea what you're talking about", "The 5th amendment is about your right to not incriminate yourself. If you're allowed to stay silent to not incriminate yourself then a cop is allowed to turn off their body cam to not incriminate themselves. Cops and civilians don't have different rules when it comes to constitutional rights.\n\nBut if we're talking about it being a department policy to not do it, and doing so is grounds for termination, now we're onto something and I agree with that.", "If I don’t want to be in the same room as an off-leash jungle cat, my inability to accurately tell what type of cat and what part of the world it’s from doesn’t change a thing about the situation.", "Another instance where I don't know why I don't become a cop. Total freedom from the law, a brotherhood that protects their own regardless of the crime one of their own might commit, and a fucking PENSION? We're all idiots for not signing up to be cops.", "No. I said different roles not rules haha. Police shouldn't be doing anything incriminating to begin with. They're supposed to be upholding the law and enforcing it. If they can't follow the rules then they have no right to enforce them on other's. That's the role they're taking. If they're doing things to incriminate themselves then they shouldn't be in that role. Why would their words or actions incriminate them? They shouldn't.", "K now we’re not even talking about the original thing you said…", "It's literally what my original comment is about.. just a longer explanation. Body cam should never be off. For all the reasons above and more. Are you lost? Haha", "Couple things...\n \nThere is no expectation of a right to privacy in public. By extension, the public servants should have no expectation of a right to privacy while on-duty. \n \nIf a police camera records a potential crime and the police officer(s) are questioned, they can invoke their own personal 5th amendment rights. But simply wearing a recording camera is not compelled speech. \n \nDisturbance of state property is a crime and should apply to these officers and their body cameras.", "Porque no los dos?", "Four beers for a guy that likes beer that much isn't gonna make you drunk enough to blow a hole in someone you know. That guy definitely has other issues.", "You said them turning off their body cam is an admission of guilt. I don’t even disagree that they shouldn’t be allowed to turn their cameras off. But it’s not an admission of guilt.", "what about vigilantes?", "yes you are correct. That is the way our justice system works. It is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Both people reasonably believed the other was a threat so they both had the right to self defense and it would be unlikely for a prosecutor to convince a jury that it was not self defense to kill Rittenhouse. \n\nThe self defense is not mutually exclusive, every person involved can claim self defense it is a question of whether the jury believe self defense was not valid beyond a reasonable doubt", "Yeah, the shooting is definitely unwarranted, but the son definitely got some issues. Being bipolar makes me people do some weird thinks during manics. \n\nI definitely agree that their should be a full investigation done and not by the police department the guy used to work for or any for that matter. The police need a separate entity with no connections to the police to investigate them.", "Any officer clearly covering their body camera or asking if another officer has their camera on while in the course of their duties is a dirty cop, plain and simple. Fire every one of them. Please.", "Morality aside trespassing is legally defensible reason to shoot someone depending on the state.", "This is one of the qorst and shittiest hit pieces i have ever seen lmfao \"and he doesnt hide his love for alcohol.. just look at his shirt!\"\n\nFucking kid was being a threat to everyone and the parents should ask why werent they more attentive to the individual if he had \"mental issues\"? Why did he go to the first neighbors door?\n\nNarrator says \"sure he should have asked...\" yes he fucking should have. Trespassing and breaking and entering are not excusable because the idiot cries \"mentally challenged\"... but can give a play by play of what exactly happened lmfao what a joke.", "Because this is the facts in which some was fucking murdered and I feel like it is important for people to actually have the correct information", "I'd agree with your assessment except for one point - the guy fired a bullet into the ground in front of the guy BEFORE he said he was gonna take the gun. In my eyes that complicates things.", "That was a chopped up interview question. He was asked if he has ever been threatened by him as in the past. We don't actually hear the interview of the full string of events from the police officers perspective.", "Pretty sure this is false. Care to provide a source. \n\nCastle doctrine applies to someone entering your home which is more than trespassing and stand your ground laws require some sort of threat. Simply walking on someone property does not give a honeowner the right to shoot someone.", "I mean obviously you can't just shoot someone for walking around in your yard, but there was clearly a scuffle in this instance. \n\nIf there's only one living person after a dispute it would be pretty much a slam dunk to get away with it in a state with stand your ground laws.", "We make exceptions to assault if goaded with fighting words, but we make no such exceptions for brandishing and threatening with a deadly weapon in many cases. Lovely, huh?", "I don’t get my fucking gun and piss my pants because a kid walks over my goddamn driveway. People who defend getting a gun over everything sound terrified and paranoid.", "Why would you exercise your right to remain silent during questioning unless you’re guilty?", "I’d Google “do cops have different constitutional rights than civilians” but I already know the answer. I don’t know why you don’t.", "Pretty obvious Sugarland PD misconduct on display. This is attempted murder by an ex-officer who appears to have a drinking and judgement problem.", "It was a Ruger PCC.", "...You believe it's okay for police to turn off their bodycams to commit crimes so that they don't incriminate themselves?", "[This video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv0iN5J-9mk) from JCS about Michael Drejka shooting a guy who pushed him gives a good analysis of the responsibility that comes with having a gun in a confrontation. I won't spoil the outcome, but you should watch.\n\nI think in general, the issue you're coming at is that you're perceiving having a gun as intent to kill. But it isn't, necessarily. It's certainly the ability, but intent is more than that. \n\nIn any kind of standoff, evenly-matched or otherwise, self-defense favors the one who attempted to retreat. Apply that standard to your examples and see if it doesn't clarify things a little.", "Read my other comments. I think police who turn their cameras off should be reprimanded. \n\nBut you can’t use the fact they turned their camera off as proof that they committed a crime. Just like the police can’t use you staying silent as proof you committed a crime.", "Do you believe a gas station cashier shutting off the cameras shortly before a bunch of money goes missing from the register would suggest anything?", "It’s suspicious, sure. But you can’t use the fact somebody turned off a camera as the sole evidence that they committed a crime.", "What did your last account get banned for?", "The police can use anything you say against you whether you’re officially under caution or not. Why do you think lawyers tell you to never talk to the police?\n\nAnd now you’re suggesting that innocent until proven guilty, a constitutional right, doesn’t apply to police officers who are on the job.\n\nPlease keep going. I love these bad legal takes.", "I guess the only thing you can do when you run out of points is change the subject 🤣", "No, I just know there's no point in arguing with you. There will be nothing but bad faith arguments.", "Yet here you are…", "“Go look over how police officers don’t have constitutional rights” 😂👌", "Vigilantes like the mob that chased down KR? Plenty of people are defending them for their stupid actions that got one of them killed and one maimed.", "Fuck cops.", "Or he was lying about having 4 beers. Could have been 12. Are we going to take the word of someone who shoots neighbors crossing his driveway?", "He didn't say it was a dangerous job; he said it's a violent job. Is that incorrect?", "no.. just vigilantes… its a simple question", "Us vs. Them is baked into our moral psychology. It does exist in the real world and is applied to the real world automatically by everyone on a subconscious level. \n\n\nThat said, everyone has rights.", "Well, the Constitution had a pretty good run.\n\nA generation obsessed with rights has no understanding of the Bill of Rights. They think they personally have a right to whatever the hell they want, but rights aren't for everyone. You don't get First Amendment protections if you disagree with them. You don't get due process if you are the wrong sort of person. These idiots are the future.\n\nEdit: You know who else didn't think everyone should have the same rights? Slave owners, and Hitler. Congratulations, kids! You're just like Hitler.", ">he is going to be arrested and charged with murder.\n\nHe definitely won't be.", "It's just a simple question, bro!\n\nNot implying in any way that anyone in Kenosha that evening was being a vigilante, so no reason to try and turn it around like that.", "You're correct and people can't handle the truth.\n\nDon't fuck around on someone else's property and then attack them when they attempt to evict you, or you may die, and it'll be your own stupid fault. It's not that complex.", "He could have, but he can also evict the guy off his property.", "Warning shots are legal (but not necessarily recommended)", "Exactly- it’s a subjective judgement, different from person to person. Anyone who can’t acknowledge that when dictating how things “should” be needs to reconsider their worldviews.", "Ok Sherlock.", "If you disagree with this guy remember: there’s absolutely nothing in place that makes him wrong. \n\nThe fact that a cop turned off his camera so he can commit crimes doesn’t prove he committed the crimes.", "Also the guy telling the story sounds like he passed the bar of facebook attourneys llc. (not a real attourney).", "Warning shots are NOT legal. People have gone to jail for doing them. \n\n\nhttps://www.ksat.com/news/local/2019/12/28/understand-why-warning-shots-are-illegal-in-texas/", "Not arguing that we should, just that unfortunately presumed innocence is not currently the reality for some in this country under the current justice system", "Sounds like we’re getting a major one sided story.", "I heard this and my opinion changed immediately", "I’m shocked everyone is eating up this one sided video.", "I don't think the body cam points down there, and if it's to pee there's a very obvious time to turn it off and turn it on", "The question \"Are you hot?\" is very telling. The way they ask makes it sound like they ask it a lot, which is worrying.", "But (according to this account) the scuffle happened after the shooter had threatened the kid. You can't claim self defense if you're the aggressor.", "It worked for Rittenhouse.", "In the death of Chad Read, Kyle Carruth did not point his firearm until he used deadly force.", "The real story here is how they got Danny Trejo to do the voice over for this video.", "All these cops are dirty, conniving reprobates. It is incredible how the justice system protects their malfeasance.", "I would guess he abused his power alot when he was a cop. The dude loved the attention he got. Obviously misses being apart of it all. Gives his former badge number, asks all sorts of personal questions because he is a retired cop who obviously knows everyone. The dude could have had the gun still in his hand and I bet the cops would be like \"THERE HE IS! THE LEGEND HIMSELF IN ACTION!\"\n\nI really dislike cops but I find retired cops to often times be worse.", "Porque not los both?", "No shit they are being disingenuous. This is also a hand crafted narrative with good editing. Take it for what it is. So much speculation on part of the narrator as well.\n\nIt's pretty shameful how people eat this type of video up. I have no idea what the full statements are from either party, or statements from potential witnesses, as the narrator and editor are more than happy to tell me what happened, and frame the story the way they want it told.", "According to the narrator... who is framing a narrative, along with the video editing. You can't really gather anything substantial from this clearly biased reporting. It clearly takes a side and doubles down. This does not appear to be an objective reporting of facts at all", "\"grasshopper\" is a bad example, it'd be more like saying Schistocerca American is not a Schistocera Piceifrons. \"Grasshopper\" is more like saying \"rifle\" than AR15. Then again they may say \"Piceifrons is a locust not a grasshopper\". lol\n\nBetter examples: is a Land Cruiser a Jeep? A whale a fish? A pterodactyl a dinosaur? a stun gun a taser? Lots of things are called the wrong thing which bug people to no end. It's rather normal, not just \"gun lovers\" who do this but people who like a wide range of subjects.", "How the police is supposed to function with only 7 people left?", "Another excellent and unbiased reporting of facts and witness statements exactly as they occurred. The narrator clearly doesn't take a side here, and wants to make sure you know there was NO SOBRIETY TEST conducted. \n\nNewsflash people, the cops don't conduct sobriety tests outside of DUIs... and they don't take liquid alcohol as evidence. Who knows if crime scene responded or if the area was documented with photographs outside of body cam, the reporting here fails to mention this any of this... but gosh darn it all, the important thing the cops failed to do was perform sobriety tests, and log that 12 pack into evidence.", "Yes, but if it were a tiger would you call it a lion if you didn't know the name of it? People normally use general terms when they don't know, not just randomly inserting another thing's name.", "The video was edited by the consulting firm for the guy who got shot. I'm surprised nobody is considering that here.", "Yeah that's my account", "> cumming \n\nOfficers don't wear their body cams when they're off duty, and they really shouldn't be doing that during work hours.", "What do you mean by “on the beat?” I don’t think most people would want a microphone hanging on their shirt, literally recording everything they say and do.", "If I did tell you to get this lion away from me, would you chuckle, shake your head at it being a tiger, and mumble, “Play stupid games, win stupid prizes”? Or would you realize that doesn’t matter and try to be a decent human being?", "My bad I guess we should just lick their boots harder and maybe they will stop abusing our rights.", "What a weird take.", "Not really. I am pretty sure most European cops carry firearms. Our entire police force recently upgraded from Walthers to Sigs. Traffic cops, beat cops, the works. \nBut no one here cares that the cops are armed because they are trained professionals. \nThey rarely have to draw because they are proficient in other methods of deescalation.", "And yet here I am typing on my microphone as we speak", "The above comment was stolen from [this one](http://np.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r87x4m/body_cameras_dont_lie/hn5k7xq/) elsewhere in this comment section.\n\nIt is probably not a coincidence; here is some more evidence against this user:\n\nPlagiarized \| Original\n-------- \| -----------\n[semi truth by the way](http://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r8comn/the_queen_of_christmas/hn61t4w/) \| [semi truth by the way](http://np.reddit.com/r/memes/comments/r8comn/the_queen_of_christmas/hn5hlyv/)\n[Yeah. I mean. Isn't that...](http://np.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/r80vv0/im_never_going_to_find_a_soul_mate/hn620ez/) \| [Yeah. I mean. 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Read the [FAQ](https://www.reddit.com/user/reply-guy-bot/comments/n9fpva/faq/?plagiarist=OkIntroduction6917) for info on how I work and why I exist.", "You know the score. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lru1Qxc1l8", "Body cameras have honestly been a great innovation for both sides, and it's hilarious how you know this because both sides hate them.\n\nPeople who are vehemently anti-cop hate them because they expose the shocking truth that sometimes... cops were totally doing the right thing and the other party was at fault, and police/people who always side with the cops hate them because they can expose the cops being incredibly shady with no room for questioning it.\n\nUltimately they have been a huge help for both sides, and have definitely led to more justice.", "Should be always on and always uploading to a 3rd party", "As a guy that drinks a lot of beer: \"3 or 4 beers\" means like 11", "> It wasnt an AR15 it was some other rifle \n\nCompletely irrelevant to the point of the story. \n\nThe fact, and point to the story, is that the person with the weapon, no matter what kind it is, has more rights to defend themselves then the person that they are threatening and causing to fear for their very lives.", "woosh", "Judging from the poster in his garage, likely a racism problem too.", "I'm shocked this post got down voted so much cause this guy understand whats going on.\n\nCowardice is the problem and what leads to so many of this shootings.\n\nPunching someone in the face is not the end of the world and is a way more advanced method of solving conflicts then resorting immediately to deadly force. The Rittenhouse case is another textbook example of this.", "That’s some pretty observant stuff. His whole persona wreaks of “has been” who’s whole identity is based on being a cop.", "That’s Wayne Dolcefino. He’s a local news reporter from Houston. He is absolute cheese on the news. “Dolcefino Consulting” is a media outlet, but can be “hired” to create investigative news stories.", "Oh look proof that cops are capable of arriving to the scene of a shooting without needlessly escalating things(when it’s in their favour)", "Yet another example of why all pigs need to burn in hell.", "I'm this context, absolutely, but there are times where it would be appropriate. Like telling a fucked up joke or having a very personal conversation, neither of which should be happening during an event like this anyway.....", "That's completely incorrect.......", "No, he did. Just wish he had more time to use it to defend himself during that routine traffic stop.", "Seems better than the liberal alternatives San Francisco and Seattle(+ others) where the criminals literally have more rights than the non-criminal citizens they terrorized in the last 2 years and continue to do so.......\n\nAlso curious that there's so many millions of liberals that stay in a place until they turn it into an absolute shithole and then where do they almost always end up moving??????? To conservative states that aren't those purposely created shitholes, yet.... Explain that one to me, since every liberal state is having a mass exodus right now?.....\n\nEdit -- everything I said is provable and sourceable....... Most of Reddit really really hates the truth and facts", "Except it didn't and that was proven in court for everyone to see if they actually watch the fucking trial from beginning to end....", "Okay then, walk out on the street pull out a gun and start threatening someone and let's see who has more rights....... Since it is so obviously cut&dry like you say, please do demonstrate for us?", "You absolutely cannot....... cite me one single fucking case in modern court precedent where someone was allowed to chase someone else before killing them and then still claims self-defense and it actually works\n\nName one.", "> the criminals literally have more rights than the non-criminal citizens\n\n> Explain that one to me, since every liberal state is having a mass exodus right now?.....\n\nTake your lies, your \"alternative facts\" and your right-wing \"talking points\" elsewhere.", "This is Reddit, for the vast majority of users give absolutely no fucks about the truth, at least, of course, unless it conforms to their personal narrative.......", "Nope. Name me one single fucking case in modern court precedent where a person was allowed to chase someone down, then kill them, and then claim self-defense successfully. He chased Kyle on video.", "This is Reddit dude........ Lower your expectations lol", "This is an actual stupid comment.", "By the way, I'm sure you already know this, but don't think all of reddit is like this... it's only certain subreddits........ I will at least defend the mods here because they seem to stay pretty neutral and stay the fuck out of it. This is one of the few big subs left that will not take sides and silence our side and actually let us argue it out amongst ourselves like we're supposed to be able to do.", "Momma always said you can tell how crazy someone is by how many punctuation marks they use. This dude’s nuts!", "Cops who turn off or block bodycams during these kinds of situations should ha e an automatic suspension w/o pay and be i vestigatednfor tampering with evidence.", "How in the world is that not immediately flagged and punished as evidence tampering? Is there no accountability at all for the people who can legally shoot to kill if they claim* that they felt threatened?", ">We have the capacity to record their entire shift.\n\nVideo takes up an incredible amount of storage. Recording the whole shift of every officer in a city would quickly become prohibitively expensive.\n\nedit: A lot of people commenting who have no fucking idea about the costs of storing video at the scale they are talking about much less taking into consideration the additional costs due to the video being part of criminal cases. \"ooh, I can store my shitty car cam video on this cheap spinning hard drive I bought. Sure it takes a while to transfer because video files are large but that is surely not a problem for the police who will obviously have light speed data transfer somehow.\"", "White cops are bad...right Reddit?", "The problem is people seriously use that as an excuse for cops to do what they want. \n\nSo honestly. Either a really bad joke or he is serious about that statement.", "Would be illegal in my civilized state (MA) thankfully.", "Sell a couple of the military vehicles and weapons these \"police\" departments get for data storage.", "At 5:57 in the video the gunshot victim says \n\n>And then he pull the gun to my face again and then he pulls the trigger. \n> \n>And a bunch of hot air from the gun blows on my face.\n\nI don't quite understand what this is supposed to mean, there's no way this happened even with blanks if the gun was actually pointed toward his face at point blank range.", "To extend what you said.... I would say anytime that you're on duty you should have the recorder going. If you have a personal conversation you should have to go off duty and remove yourself from the situation. If you tell a nasty joke that should be on the record if you're on duty. I would say the bathroom would be the only place that you should be able to turn it off", "[ Jump to 05:57 @ Body Cameras Don't Lie](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISeA1NcGuU&t=0h5m57s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Dolcefino Consulting, Video Popularity: 93.29%, Video Length: [11:46])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@05:52](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CISeA1NcGuU&t=0h5m52s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "But thats not what you said. You said trespassing. Now you are talking about a scuffle.", "Lmao, the subject of this post is literally a criminal who’s rights are more important than an innocent person.. and it’s in Texas… a conservative state. And a result of a corrupt justice system that overvalued the right to self-defense to the point of justifying murder. Goddamn republicans are so fucking stupid", "Literally thousands of jobs require being recorded 24/7 while on the clock. \n\nFrom burger flipper to package delivery to clothing folder in retail. \n\nYet the guy with all the weapons and training is held to the lower standard", "I'm gonna be honest here for a second so please dont tear me apart. Generally I'm pro police, and generally give the benifit of the doubt to them. But shit like this is makes me understand the left. The level of cronyism is disgusting. Everyone one of those officers should be fired. And the dickhead should be charged with attempted murder.", "Right? I've trained a lot of brilliant security and peace officers who are desperate to become cops. Yet somehow they keep getting deferred for bullshit reasons while the worst guards and officers keep getting the jobs.\n\nIt's not a lack of good candidates. They do seem to intentionally be picking the wrong ones though.", "There was no need to resort to any kind of violence at all is why he's being downvoted. Why punch the guy in the face when nothing is happening.", "Fifteen years ago maybe. Today, that's just not the case.", "Does it though? A 1080p camera recording at 30fps can have literal DAYS of video stored on a single hard drive I can purchase for $200. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nPlus, how much do police departments spend on lawsuits and how many times are we going to have protests shutting down streets and costing cities millions of dollars until something changes? \n\n&#x200B;\n\nI have a hunch you can get a 24/7 setup running for every officer an a department avoiding just a handful of lawsuits. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nWe all know the reason they don't do it....and it isn't cost of the equipment and storage. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nIt's not rocket science.", "The issue is the way the cops interacted with the retired cop Bert in a criminal investigation. It doesn’t really matter whether there’s more to the story or if the video editing is biased, because the parts that we can see and isolate clearly show bias from the police department. Is there any kind of additional footage or information that would absolve what we were shown? We see the how the cops treat one of their own, and missing details could never justify the way they behaved. I would want an objective investigation, not them paling around, pretending to not know him to make the recording look better, and being loose with their body cams. The other details such as them reporting the attack happened in reverse could be biased reporting and we don’t have the full details, but what we have is still pretty damning and enough to show the problem.", "Video can be compressed with little loss of audio or video quality. Spinning storage is cheap, and offline or cold storage on magnetic tape or DVD type media is even cheaper. This should be mandatory at a federal level IMO. Camera on at start of tour off at end of tour. Any attempt to manipulate the recording is grounds for disciplinary review.", "There would be lots of footage out there that the public could request of cops pissing and shitting.", "Are you five years old? I'm not going to argue semantics with you. You are legally allowed to kill people trespassing on your property in multiple states.", "Nonviolent trespassing is not grounds for attempt murder...", " what happens when you find that?", ">A 1080p camera recording at 30fps can have literal DAYS of video stored on a single hard drive I can purchase for $200.\n\nAlright. So let's take a medium sized city like Cleveland that has about 1300 officers. For the sake of argument let us say that this hard drive can store the entire week of an officer's beat. So you need 1300 x $200 = $260,000 per week to store that. Due to the need for this video to be stored for evidence you need to hold on to it for years and possibly decades. So you need to buy that every week. $260,000 x 52 = $13,520,000. \n\nNow the Cleveland police annual budget is $218 million. So this amounts to about 11% of the police budget just in the cost of these hard drives not including managing them, sorting and storing the video for each case or interaction, etc.\n\n[Compared to the $2.4 million they spend on the badge cams](https://www.cleveland.com/metro/2015/03/everything_you_need_to_know_ab_2.html) the costs you are proposing are prohibitive. That extra nine million (plus) can go to cover a lot of other city services instead of the police.\n\nedit: for all the tards who are talking about the cheap drive they can get at Walmart or Newegg just shut up. For a system like this they are not buying the bargain hard drives from some idiot in a blue vest.", "Show me a source. Im not 5 im asking someone who made a dubious claim to verify it with a single source and instead you adjusted your comment. If you make a statement as if its fact you should be prepared to back it up. Its not hard, youre already online just open another tab and google trespassing laws.", "Not sure if this is really a left-right issue, bud. True libertarians would also be against this. It's more of an issue of authoritarianism vs liberalism.", "Personally I think it should require a call to dispatch to disable the camera, with a timer or reoccuring reminder to re-enable it. \n\nAlso alerts/alarms when it is not recording or their is no motion detected (lense covered).", "To record intelligible (read: not Netflix quality) speech and video? Not really, no. And it's only getting cheaper.", "Expecting our police to know what their job is, act responsibly or be held accountable shouldn't be a left/right political matter at all, but somehow, here we are with it.", "Asking if it's on isn't inherently wrong. What is wrong with you? Its when asking about it to find out what one can get away with is when it's an issue.", "Why would they need to buy new cameras every week? Your whole argument is obviously flawed from the very beginning.\n\nThe camera is turned on at the start of the shift. When they finish there shift the camera is give to the tech department who copy the shifts footage onto a disc and hand the camera back. Hell, a single decent hard drive would easily hold over a months worth of footage.\n\nEdit*\n\nI checked Walmart’s website. You can get a 1Tb ssd for around $50 there. That would hold at least a months worth of footage, probably more. That’s $65,000 a month. That’s $750,000 for the whole year for hard drives for the 1300 cops. A mere fraction of their budget and not the huge amount Tenpat pulled out of his ass.", "There is absolutely no circumstance that would make it appropriate under any conceivable context other than a bathroom break.", "to change this... you need a really really big retraining and reforming of police, getting rid of the whole \"police protect each other\" mindset and replace it with \"we keep each other accountable\"", "The problem with your analysis is that it does not consider the return on investment.", "There is no practical difference between dangerous and violence. It’s semantics.", "This new MAGA USA … if you meet some stranger with a gun … you better be armed … and more importantly … you got to shoot first. New rules in Magatown. Thank god for our unholy GOP. Stop the steal, right?", "You can see right in the footage that his truck is still parked in the same spot, right on top of the sidewalk, blocking it. It goes across the end of his driveway. And then he admitted the kid didn't come toward him threateningly, he was just walking on his property. He pulled his gun out and told the kid to leave. The kid froze because he had a gun pointed at him. Then the guy walked up to him and put the gun to his head. It's all right there in the video. The ex cop admitted to it. Not sure what parts of that are \"edited\" or speculation.", "It also assumes that they will buy a whole new camera setup each week, which is just dumb.", "I don't think you understand: They only ask to get the other cops to turn off their cameras. If your body camera is on, why do you need to ask another cop if his is on? Why would that even cross your mind unless you were about to say something you don't want recorded?", "Also, they would most certainly receive cost help at places like https://aws.amazon.com/efs/pricing/", "its police corruption but also a racism issue here, so as the right sees themselves as racists (for good reasons) the right wing guy thinks he has to explain himself why hes not supporting the racists in this case", "I like how you say you never said being a cop was a class, then immediately follow it up by saying they would be a separate class. In reality they already are their own class, but it’s because they can commit the exact same crimes as a regular citizen and get away with it purely because of their job. If they can’t handle the burden of having to prove their own innocence when they fuck up and break the law or ignore peoples rights, then they can find another job. That simple.", "Left???\nWTF- all Americans should be enraged about dishonest cops!!", "To be fair, he's saying you'd have to buy storage space to retain the video. https://aws.amazon.com/efs/pricing/", "Then why would they be covering it up or turning it off? You’re so dense", "Because they don't always record? They have to be activated otherwise they'll just kill the batteries. Most, if not all, bodycam companies will have 30 seconds prior to the button activation added onto the footage.", "Go back and reread what you said. I say they aren’t a separate class, that it’s a job (even though they kinda are in reality). You agree. Then you follow it up by saying making them guilty until proven innocent would make them a separate class. No motherfucker, it would not. It would still be just a job.", "What % of those officers are actually on patrol? 1/2? 3/4? I don't actually know.\n\nIt's going to be well over a week of storage for a single officer. Not to mention they aren't working a 24 hour day. Putting actual math to it, 1080p30fps takes up about 64gb for an 8 hours recording. 8tb hard drive to dump the days footage on = 125 days of footage.\n\nEven keeping things for a year or two and dumping the data is better than not doing it at all. We are smart enough to \"tag\" active calls on footage and remove the inactive footage.\n\nRome wasn't built overnight or some shit like that. But it's 2021...we can do better.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI still stand by my statement that body cam footage being properly used will save money long term. You stop one protest/riot by releasing footage and firing someone immediately for misconduct and that's literal millions of losses prevented right there.", "The shooter told you what happened too or did you not listen to him hahah", "Why would you be remaining silent during questioning?", "Yes, but he’s using the given price of the whole setup for some reason. Walmart sells 1Tb ssd’s for around $50. They should easily hold a months worth of footage. That’s only around $750,000 for the entire year for all the cops in the city he used for his calculations.", "Purely based on the actual powers that cops are supposed to have, no they shouldn’t be considered a separate class of citizen. Based on what cops can actually get away with just because they are a cop, I.e. murder, theft, assault, they are a separate class because they are not beholden to the laws they are supposedly enforcing.\n\nYou can think that it creates a separate class, but at the end of the day it is still a job that they can leave at any point.", "Yeahhhh I really don't think it's a Left issue lol.", "Again: If your camera's recording, why are you even thinking about the ones of the other cops?\n\nAnd why, almost invariably, does the video cut out after the ask?", "No please go ahead, explain to me how you can be charged with destroying evidence that never existed. I love shitty Reddit legal takes.\n\nThe charge is actually tampering with evidence btw, but that’s not really here nor there.", "> It's funny how self defense only seems to apply to the guy with the gun. But not for the guy who has a gun pointed at them.\n\nSimply not true, if someone points a gun at you without justification self defense doesn't apply to them and you can justifiably use deadly force in response. \n\nThe cases you would surely cite as a rebuttal aren't what you state. Zimmerman for instance was having his head slammed into the concrete without justifiable reason. \n\nThe idiots who will now spend life in prison in the Arbery trial are a perfect example of how your musing is BS.", "No he won't he knows the right people. Laws are for us not them", "He was trying to pick up his god damn son who he was supposed to have his visitation rights with and his ex was keeping him from seeing his son on thanksgiving. Dude got murdered because he was upset his son was being kept from him.", "Yeah what a dumbass for getting upset that his ex was trying to keep him from seeing his son on thanksgiving.", ">Putting actual math to it, 1080p30fps takes up about 64gb for an 8 hours recording.\n\nActually more than that. We are talking \"dashcam\" quality video. On my old Cobra front/rear setup (1080 front 720 rear) I could record up to 10 hours on a 64 gig card. So, depending on what's being recorded, you could probably stuff up to 12 hours in 64GB of space.", "The guy was clearly emotionally distraught because that were keeping him from seeing his son on thanksgiving. But no one was in any real danger until that asshole brought a gun into the equation.", "I don't think he included the price of the cameras, just the hard drives. As a reference point, My home security system has a single 1tb drive. It stores 1 day 23h 34m of 1080p video for 6 cameras.", "Bathroom privacy", "To wait for a lawyer to instruct me what I should or shouldn’t say about what happened", "That seems like a rather thick line… that often overshadows the truth", "Whether you remove evidence after the fact, or prevent it from existing in the first place, you are still removing evidence. Whether your legal system recognizes that or not is a different matter.\n\nWhat is important here is that there is an expectation for officials in power to record at all time. When that recording conveniently stops when it is beneficial to the person how controls whether the recording is on or off, you can assume guilt on that person's part.\n\nAgain, whether your legal system recognizes that is a different matter. You have civil forfeiture. I wouldn't have much faith in your legal system to begin with.", "They want dumb and loyal applicants. I have two friends who are combat veterans and have a bachelor's degree each and recently applied to police departments. Neither got hired after their initial interview. The very young \"buddies\" they knew from the academy who did get hired were the ones they were most worried about becoming cops. \n\nThey don't want experience, they want compliance.", "The shooter literally is in this video saying what happened...", "Oh, look. A Poorly Educated Trump Cum Dumpster thought the Good Old Boy System would save him.\n\nSo far, it has. \n\nFire every single Pig who turned off his body camera.", "GUILTY!!!", "If you have the stomach for it, watch the video showing the killing of Daniel Shaver. \n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver\n\nhttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1028981\n\nhttps://www.knoe.com/content/news/Officer-who-killed-unarmed-sobbing-man-to-get-31000-a-year-pension-512859021.html\n\nI don’t get how anyone can watch that and not realize there is a severe fucking problem.", "> Even keeping things for a year or two and dumping the data is better than not doing it at all.\n\nThis sort of ignorant shit is why you people are just all wrong. The video is evidence. You can't just randomly delete it to make space. \n\n>You stop one protest/riot by releasing footage and firing someone immediately for misconduct \n\nSure. But that is up to the DA and city leaders and they have repeatedly shown they will hide video evidence they already have with the current body cam systems. What makes you think having a full day of a cop will change that?", "Since when do you think anti-cop people hate body cams? If it shows a cop wasn’t at fault, then good - that’s the whole point of the camera.", "i know being in a police cruiser sounds pretty shitty, however that doesnt make it a toilet.", "Let me phrase it another way: do you think the police should be able to charge you with tempering with evidence because you didn’t record yourself committing a crime?", "You said the quiet part out loud. The right is increasingly becoming authoritarians my friend.", "Sure but right-wing politics does not necessarily equate to authoritarianism. Libertarianism is an example of liberal right-wing politics.\n\nEDIT: not sure why I'm being downvoted, I'm stating a simple fact. This always seems to happen when I make this point on this site. People don't seem to actually understand what liberalism is.", "They SHOULD be. But are they? Are they really?", ">This sort of ignorant shit is why you people are just all wrong. The video is evidence. You can't just randomly delete it to make space.\n\nIs something better than nothing? You would rather have no evidence than 2 years worth of stored evidence? You don't think we could MAYBE, just MAYBE, store the footage of importance for longer than that and delete the cop eating lunch in a car? \n\n&#x200B;\n\nThis sort of ignorant shit is why you are a fucking moron. \n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Sure. But that is up to the DA and city leaders and they have repeatedly shown they will hide video evidence they already have with the current body cam systems. What makes you think having a full day of a cop will change that?\n\nYea...that is also a problem that needs fixed and isn't just a reason to quit trying to improve. But be a retarded defeatist, I don't care.", ">You don't think we could MAYBE, just MAYBE, store the footage of importance for longer than that and delete the cop eating lunch in a car?\n\nWhich means you need to pay extra people just to manage what is important and what can be deleted which increases the cost. The current systems automatically sort it as officers activate their cams when relevant.\n\n>This sort of ignorant shit is why you are a fucking moron.\n\nYou are ignoring the costs of every thing you add to making your idiotic idea work and then trying to simultaneously claim that it will be far cheaper.", "I got 2 minutes in and got so angry I had to turn it off. I'm so fucking sick of this shit. Fucking evil pieces of shit like this don't deserve to walk the streets and with how much damage they have and are doing to our country and people I think it's fair to give them the death penalty for this blatant disregard of human life and public safety. When we have the actual footage of cops cozying up to people who have or attempted murder or themselves have done so there should be a fucking short trial to review the footage, and then you should be sentenced to death, given a final day, and put down to prevent you from continuing to ruin our world more.\n\nfuck these people. and btw no I'm not advocating violence against them I just think our \"justice\" system should be removing this human trash (if you can call them human) from our society permanently. fucking serial and spree killers have done less harm than bad cops it's so wild how many people continue to defend these scumbags... if you're a decent person and you're a cop ya'll need to form a special new union that seeks to fucking remove ALL these guys from power and jail them.", "White guy is racist in this video.\nBlack police chief is racist in this video.\n1 committed a crime and another allowed a crime to take place.", "We call that pulling a Rittenhouse and it is indeed legal", "...when used correctly? You realize it doesn't mean shit when the cops control when they can give bodycam footage.", "\"People should not be afraid because of a police officer living next to them.\" Damn fucking straight.", "Semantics, my ass. Garbage collection isn't dangerous because people go around robbing and killing garbage collectors. A gun isn't going to keep a piece of farm equipment from killing a farmer. He could shoot the horse before it kicked him to death, but then he won't have a horse.\n\nEveryone knows policing is a violent job, we just don't agree on why. I agree that it's not that dangerous; the squad cars and donuts are both more likely to kill an officer on the job than a bullet.", "My friends don't understand that as an immigrant cops terrify me and I hate them. I guess if you are raised here, you don't have these views (biased as they may be) against the cops. But as as outsider cops seem extremely backwards to everything America is supposed to be.", "You give cops the benefit? What a privleged life you must have.", "If you see every issue that goes against your instincts as a left vs right thing, you need to think really hard about why that is, and probably stop watching/reading the hate-filled content you usually do.", ">Which means you need to pay extra people just to manage what is important and what can be deleted which increases the cost. The current systems automatically sort it as officers activate their cams when relevant.\n\nSo what is your point then? Just delete and/or lose the footage instead of trying to improve our storage and review of the footage? There seems like there is already a system in place according to you. What are you even saying with this word salad?\n\n>You are ignoring the costs of every thing you add to making your idiotic idea work and then trying to simultaneously claim that it will be far cheaper.\n\nNot ignoring costs, but I'm pretty sure using 5% of a budget to help improve accountability in the current times isn't exactly some unsolvable puzzle for anyone who isn't a defeatist moron.", "Because people are going to be assholes most of the time, there’s no denying that.\n\nSo when someone inevitably becomes an asshole, I’d rather they punch than shoot.", "what?? you are turning the question around, you won’t even answer the question.. all i am asking is if it is ok to defend vigilantism.. you refuse to answer the question and keep beating around the bush it is soooo weird lol", "Miranda is the simple model. \nJudge: lets see the body cam? No? Taser gun cam? No? Other officers cams? No? Car cams? No? \n\nCase dismissed. Preferably with prejudice.\n\nJust to blare it. No criminal record, ever. Blessed to only have interacted with helpful or useless cops. Watching them, growing up in the same churches , teams & schools with law enforcement ‘families. Reddit trolls get fun with ideas.", "Then don't become a cop.", "except the part where you apparently dont realize that that isnt the argument. Both Left and Right obviously agree on cops knowing their job, acting responsibly and being held accountable is good. You could go find any non insane person on the political spectrum and they would agree with that.\n\nThe problem is a question of who is being policed.", "Obviously.\n\nIt's illegal to carry while Intoxicated in Texas. The fact that they didn't do a bac check immediately stinks to high heaven.\n\nIf this had been anyone else who had done the shooting we all know how it would have ended.", "Ah yes but you see this is America where half the population knows and enjoys that cops are there to hurt the other half", "I had a retired cop tell me that \"he didn't have to get vaccinated for anything when he joined the force!\"\n\nI asked him if he had had a medical exam, and why he thought they checked his history during that exam. He didn't have an answer.", "What’s the other side, pray tell….", "Can you believe this drunk slob with violent disposition and almost certainly racist tendencies was a Trump supporter?", "They don’t care. The police are there to serve the police. Especially in Texas.", "Idk man, maybe they are building a rapport as is one of the oldest and best investigator techniques. Or maybe they are all corrupt destroying evidence and protecting some retired cop. I'm not going to make my opinion based around some shitty news piece...", "That’s not what happened….", "He could have just…..gone inside", "And beer. I know guys like this. Entire existence is beer and cigarettes and stories about the good ol' days.", "Lol. Who the fuck hates body cams other than dirty cops?", "One could write a dissertation and get a PhD on how wrong everything you typed is.", "I always find it odd that Americans hardly ever seem to have fences or hedges around their homes. I guess it because it is against the HOA regs, but for a country so obsessed with 'castle doctrine' and suchlike they don't appear to do much to actually afford themselves some privacy.", "I saw a cherry picked statement that was quickly covered up by video editing and a narrator talking.... at no point did I witness the entire interview of any witness or person. I am not able to establish a clear chain of events as told by witnesses and evidence. Instead the video tells me what to believe. I don't trust that at all. Anyone who does shows how easily manipulated the general public is.\n\nMaybe all these cops are corrupt and covered for an ex cop. I'd like to come to that conclusion myself instead of being told what to think by media", "I assume they were struggling over the gun and the ex cop missed at very close range", "But all Americans AREN'T enraged about it. A significant number of Americans are perfectly ok with this.", ">Not ignoring costs, but I'm pretty sure using 5% of a budget to help improve accountability in the current times isn't exactly some unsolvable puzzle for anyone who isn't a defeatist moron.\n\nSo where does that budget money come from? Schools? Social Services? Sewer? Or raise property taxes? The money needs to come from somewhere which is why they went with the far lower cost service.", "It’s a shame that there’s so many crazy dispshit old white men out there with a hard on for shooting people when it isn’t necessary. Unfortunately, that’s the country we live in an you should never trespass on someone’s else’s property without fear for your life.", "Do you have it recording everything you do all the time?", "> It wasnt an AR15 it was some other rifle\n\nWho fucking cares?\n\n> he is going to be arrested and charged with murder\n\nI hope you're right, but I don't have a lot of faith. It's been a month now. \n\n> The shooter is well connected and married to a judge so that is probably why he was not arrested on the spot.\n\nAnd you think they'll get a fair trial?", "Because you can't store CJIS data that way. The IT backend for this kind of idea is huge. Millions annually in just organization, storage and retrieval. Then there is RTK costs, broken hardware, etc. It's a massive undertaking to do.", "You honestly have zero idea what you are talking about. You can't store big data on Walmart hard drives for one. You need to manage that data number two. You need to backup that data.", "Great point", "Also, \"four beers since 4pm\" working on the fourth at \"~9:30pm\" for a guy who likes beer that much is a lie.", "The point is that the specific model of gun doesn't really matter to the larger conversation and trying to shift the topic to it really seems like a distraction tactic rather than honest dialogue.", "\"Are you hot?\" what does that mean in the the cop world?", "I mean, it depends where you live I guess. I have lived in Southern and Northern California and never lived somewhere that didn't have a fenced yard or known anyone who didn't.", "He could have called the police... but then they would have been on the hook for preventing the legal visitation.\n\nAlso, now the poor fucking kid has to live with the man that murdered their actual dad.", "I'm sure efficiencies can be improved somewhere. If not, it's not an unsolvable puzzle. \n\nWorst case federal grants could get the ball rolling... Maybe we don't build a few aircraft carriers this year?\n\nYou realize we already do some of what I'm asking right? HoW dId ThEy GeT tHe MoNeY For tHaT?", "This is my major problem with open carry. There's just such a fine line between displaying your weapon and brandishing it. I don't think we should be getting anywhere near that line.", "Oh, really? Fair enough, I may have gotten the wrong impression there.", "This doesn't even make sense", "Do you think they all had to pee in this situation? Don't be this obtuse... context is very* easy to figure out.", "Unless you mean completely around the property...then ya most homes I see have at lease semi open front yards.\nBut I also don't know what castle doctrine is....and also my personal experience is probably like .0001% of the country so there is that...that's anecdotal evidence for you", "Literally everything is a massive undertaking that costs money. Did cop cars just manifest out of nowhere without logistics, factories, raw materials. Fuck, the uniform part of the job has to cost millions upon millions.\n\nNaked cops on foot if we just quit when there's something to spend money on and coordinate logistics.\n\nBut sure, this is unsolvable", "It's more of a fat blue swath...", "\"Is your bodycam on?\"", "Why would anyone ever be pro police? Especially in this day and age.", "The true Scotsman falacy.", "The slurred speech, dirty clothes, disheveled appearance, and bruises didn't clue you in? Guy looks like he drinks daily to numb himself. Definitely living in the past and clearly does not feel like it's possible for him to face any repercussions for his actions.", "You can get upset, you can't grab for homeowners gun", "> If you walk towards someone pointing a gun at you or try to take their gun away so they can't kill you, that's seen as threatening behavior, but pointing the fucking gun isn't?\n\nIf you move toward someone pointing a gun at you, you're showing that you are not afraid of the weapon and that you are committed to a deadly encounter. Whether its right or wrong, the smart thing to do when someone points a gun at you is to get the fuck out of there.", "That's a civil matter, not criminal, the police don't care", "I didn't say it was unsolvable. I said it's a massive and expensive undertaking. Walmart hard drives with your tik tok videos on it displays a massive misunderstanding of the task it is.", "I mean you'll never find a law that says you can't shoot someone on you backyard. You'll find laws like in Utah where that state if you reasonably believe that force is necessary to prevent an intruders unlawful entry or attack upon the home. Neighbor who I know has bi polar issues and can be considered unstable in my back yard? They claim it's to shut my dog up, i know them, why wouldn't they knock on my door? Do I personally believe shooting them is the answer no. Do I think a jury in a pro gun state would not convict? Yes.", "I would bet bottom dollar that’s what they were discussing with the cameras off “He’s been drinking” “yeah but is he like, DRUNK?”", "You must be a child, very young adult or Russian troll to have the perspective we don't need police. The world isn't a utopia where crime doesn't exist. Have you seen the mass organized looting happening on the west coast? Chain stores are closing locations over this casting people to lose their living. Go back to bobsburgers and toys with your chilish mindset.", "No cop ever believes “3 or 4 beers”. They at least double it.", "Just rewatched it. I remeber that going down. Absolutely disgusting, drunk with power and control, just looking for a reason to kill.\n\nDo you remeber the Stanford prison experiment? I think there needs to be more civilian outside oversight into police force misconduct. These internal investigations are a farce. I understand being an officer is a mentally taxing job, always seeing people at thier worst and possibly most difficult times in there life. But maybe being an officer shouldn't be a carrier, but maybe a term of service. Some people can handle more mentally and emotionally draining situations better then others. I don't know, just food for thought.", "The sick thing is that the fucking psychopath who was screaming isn’t even the dude who shot him. \n\nThe guy who shot him is getting tax free pension for the rest of his life, but that psycho who was screaming is living it up in the Philippines without any consequences at all", "Your reading comprehension needs work.", "Fire every last one of them. Plenty of people want to be police. And I hear restaurants and ditch diggers are struggling to hire.", "From the perspective of the bottom 60% of Americans, the only good people working in law are public defenders. My wife is a public defender and she has a lot of stories on how awful the cops, prosecutors, DA, and judges routinely are. Out of numerous times, I can count on one hand the number of times she's told me about a good judge or cooperative prosecutor. And this is across multiple states (CO, AK, TX) so it's not like a localized thing.", "Lmao provable from Facebook maybe. Fucking idiot", "Step 1: Piss dude off by keeping his child from him.\nStep 2: Grab gun and get in his face.\nStep 3: Murder.", "The person pointing the gun is creating the deadly encounter. There was no deadly encounter before that.\n\nIt's definitely smarter to leave, but that's not the point. The guy with no weapon is the one being threatened. He doesn't want to be in a deadly encounter.", "Police are in a position of power. I am not. If you can't get it from there, I don't know how to help you.", "Your sentence isn't simple. What you said implies that every professional in that court room was stupid or incompetent or whatever but that's not true, so it doesn't make sense. The defendant won, doesn't that mean his lawyers are at least decent? if that's true then what you said is not. It doesn't make sense, even to itself. And since you had to be snarky, respectfully I'll say I'd put money on you being really stupid. Edit: stupid or young, in which case do/say whatever you want I'm not trying to argue with a 15 year old on reddit", "lol what? edit: don't even reply for the love of god", " Protect the rich, and serve the poor.", "Get the right brand and you can. Walmart sells Samsung drives. The same ones that I have. I have a couple hundred hours of video on one and it barely takes a terabyte.\n\nWhat managing? Put the video onto a hard drive. Stick the hard drive into appropriate storage. There is no managing.", "It shouldn't even be a question. And it should always be on. And I will even go as far as to say they should be on even without the cops knowledge, and have a live feed going directly to the PD. But that won't happen, and not from lack of funding or know how. It's because of sorry ass cops like the ones in this video, will not allow it to happen.", "Why do the police have the ability to start and stop recording ?!? What's the point.", "I speak for the bar and restaurant industry, and I can safely say we don't want them.", "Lol. Well, I do support welfare even for useless people in such cases.", "Doesn’t matter. Constitutional rights and laws apply to everybody.\n\nYou also avoided the question.", "“Omg you’re still going at it get a life” says the guy who is also still going at it\n\nAlso caring about downvotes… cringe", "Because if my ass is on the line I'd want as many angles as possible.", "Not all Trump supporters are racist assholes... But seems like all racist assholes are Trump supporters", "You should really think this through.\n\nHow does that mountains of video get tagged, cataloged, and otherwise organized? How does it get searched later for RTK requests and trials? Who redacts it for release and how? How does it get backed up? It's required to meet federal data protection. How does that work on your walmart keep buying drives plan?\n\nYou seriously have no idea how any of this has to work.", "You aren’t very good at this.\n\nYou use this magical machine called a computer that allows you to easily and simply organise electronic files in a matter of a couple of minutes. Each cop gets a drawer. The hard drives are labeled with the date range and placed into said drawer in the appropriate order.\n\nI don’t understand why you think that data storage is some massively complicated operation that requires very expensive experts and equipment. The average 12 year old would be able to do it.", "Lol ok.", "Wait a minute are you a real person or a bot, literally like all of your comments are just arguing about political shit that can't be your whole identity.", "Kid wasn't even in the house.\n\nPlay stupid games, like grabbing for someone's gun / threatening them on their own property, win stupid prizes", "I’ve never met a Trump supporter who isn’t racist", "Hot mic.", "No, I didn't. It worries me that you don't understand that.\n\nI mean it's very strongly implied by my answer. I don't understand how you're not getting this...", "It worries me that you believe it’s possible to tamper with something that literally doesn’t exist, but given the awful legal takes all over this thread I can’t say I’m surprised anymore. I’m done now, you’re blocked, bye", "You seem upset", "> According the the former cop shooter, it's OK the he had his weapon drawn \"in case\" there was a confrontation.\n\nBrandishing, it's called brandishing. The defense for brandishing is to demonstrate that you were doing it in self defense, which is tough when you've admitted on video that the person you were supposedly defending yourself against was not on your property - just on your sidewalk - and that you initiated conversation with him while he was on public property and escalated it to brandishing which lead to a physical confrontation because they guy didn't want to get shot to death.", "Not all Trump supporters are white trash who look, act, and talk exactly like this... but seems like all white trash who look, act, and talk exactly like this are Trump supporters.", "lololol", "You never asked me a question. You asked another guy, and you didn't just randomly pick \"vigilantes\". What about pirates? What about cattle rustlers?\n\nThere were definitely looters and at least one paedophile in Kenosha that evening. No evidence that any of the arsonists were pyromaniacs, but they definitely tried to send a flaming dumpster into a gas station island. That's fucking crazy.\n\nYou asked about vigilantes because you think that's what Kyle and all those guys with guns were, and you think that makes them bad people. Somehow, the looters and arsonists are the heroes of this story. The people putting out the fires and trying to prevent more violence and destruction are the villains now.", "wow thats a really weird and wrong way of answering a yes or no question.", "You never asked me a question. You asked another guy, and you didn't just randomly pick \"vigilantes\". What about pirates? What about cattle rustlers?", "bro you’re so far gone its not even worth talking about, i don’t know what you get off of this. you are not discussing with me you are just yelling about how wrong i am and making tons of fallacies and thinking you’re a genius. that or you’re a troll.. either way you’re an idiot. later dude✌🏾", "You're the dumb fuck that keeps telling me I'm dodging a question you asked some other guy. No shit I'm not discussing with you. I thought I established that early on. Fuck off.", "to be all honest idk .. i havent been reading your replies cause its just noise. i dont want to read paragraphs of bullshit", "> The person pointing the gun is creating the deadly encounter. There was no deadly encounter before that.\n\nWhich is exactly why you don't move toward someone who has a gun pointed at you.", "You claim I'm not discussing with you, then you claim not to have read anything I wrote. One of those claims is a lie. You are a lying cunt.", "you are so hostile.. and you think everything in life is black and white. no matter you are what you are. Probably a NEET", "If there was a tribal documentary about some uncontacted/lightly contacted Amazonian tribe where one of the tribe's members happened to start complaining about how the chief had sex with that member's wife do you think it would get banned? Note that tribal contact and treatment itself is very much a social/political issue.", "At the point any video with any substance at all is political. Even porn is political in a sense because people think porn should be against the law.", "Not if you take it to mean the exclusion of content which is likely and primarily to be viewed as political.", "Given that this video is still up along with all kinds of other videos which have these weak relations to politics but with no consistent political angle I would say it is that way.", "I think they are...", "You had me until the dude admitted he was trespassing and then pushed the guy with the gun to the ground and tried to take the gun from him. As much as I hate retired drunk power tripping trumper cops, he has every right to have a gun to protect his property, and this was very clearly self defense." ]	421	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLikRxZ9L2k	/r/videos/comments/r88crp/what_if_halos_needler_shot_hotdogs/	[ "The internet is truly a beautiful thing to behold.", "This guy even got the real announcer somehow. Impressive.", "You can hire Jeff Steitzer (Halo announcer) to record whatever you want for [$55 on Cameo](https://www.cameo.com/jeff_nqbv84dq015w)\n\n[Master Chief is on Cameo too](https://www.cameo.com/sdownes)", "[headshot](https://media.giphy.com/media/JVqeFxl3Qo8/giphy.gif)", "M-M-M-M-M-MULTI GRILL^^GRILL^^^^GRILL", "I was half expecting the shooting sound to be the sucking sound from this video\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRHhyocsbv8", "Did you actually hire Jeff Steitzer to do the voices? Amazing.", "Man that gif is old as hell. Used to be seen everywhere on reddit", "Your were so preoccupied with whether or not you could, you didn’t stop to think if you should.", "The video creator, /u/ChrisDAnimation, is answering some questions [here](https://old.reddit.com/r/halo/comments/r82tcr/i_loaded_my_needler_with_hot_dogs_so_that_you/) if anyone is looking for more!", "que practico", " >grill posts picture of herself standing beside art or hobby results she's proud of\n >someone comments 4 hours later\n >hotdog.gif\n >\"op's inbox rn lol\"", "Yes I did.", "Yes.", "Fastest hotdog shooter in the northwest", "MO-MO-MO-MONSTER GRILL!", "Grilltastic!", "I don’t know what I expected", "I came here to post this, It really should be done.", "Amazing" ]	21	videos	What if Halo’s needler shot hotdogs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbFGG4T3_Yo	/r/videos/comments/r88e8k/the_trains_that_killed_an_airline_italian_hsr/	[ "He should travel by train in the UK now that's that's a story", "That's super misleading. High speed trains is just one of several reasons why Alitalia went under. The thing is though that Alitalia hasn't disappeared. They've basically been replaced by ITA Airways. Since they're technically a new airline, they're not burdened by Alitalia's debt and they've been able to rehire Alitalia's staff for significantly lower wages. ITA has just ordered 28 new aircraft from Airbus.", "He literally explains this in the first minute of the video.", "He never mentioned ITA." ]	4	videos	The Trains that Killed an Airline - Italian HSR
https://youtu.be/-D8j1dwJilI	/r/videos/comments/r896oa/since_dislikes_are_now_private_boost_my/	[ "No", "Dislike it then, lol. Cast your invisible vote", "\"Wait for the derp!\"" ]	3	videos	Since dislikes are now private, boost my completely legit Phil Collins song I uploaded
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8bmxy/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r8bmxy/deleted_by_user/	[ "Just gonna leave this right here...\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AXI_cllOs4", "Comments are turned off.", "I’ll be honest- I kind of want to see it now", "Idk, I mean it’s from the creators of Sausage Party so of course it’ll be vile. I’ll probably watch it", "He asked for a bad trailer, not an incredible one.", "I want to see the living shit out of that.", "What about this Peter Jackson masterpiece \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XtPYTfS8Kuw\n\nYou can really see early LOTR influences", "3.2K Likes and 118K Dislikes, damn", "Enjoy \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J4xu0CuCOw" ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGNzl2J1gcY	/r/videos/comments/r8c1dt/a_music_video_satirizing_the_usa_slowly_becoming/	[ "That's awesome!", "Hell yeah! the cooties are rad", "Super catchy, and a 100% accurate description of American retail.", "[\"Better make it quick kiddo, in five minutes this place is becoming a starbucks\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5VqUtQBnOI)", "🤣😂🤣" ]	5	videos	A Music Video satirizing the USA slowly becoming one big PLAZA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3PehF65b3A	/r/videos/comments/r8c1qc/this_is_how_your_great_grandparents_kept_ants/	[ "Yah dood. F those ants. Ima wikid try this.", "video uploaded: 2009\n\ncamera manufacturing year: 1989", "When my great grandparents were catching ants was also the last time this guy cut his nails.", "Ants hadn't been invented when my grand parents were around", "Just put a black/dark sheet of plastic over the ant hill. Temperature inside will rise and the ants will move the colony far away to be safe. No killing required, more thorough and much quicker.", "Ants in 240p, ... it's about as good as you'd expect.", "MY Great grandpareentas are dEAD.", "An even easier way is using heat from the sun and cook them; literally. \n\nGet a black tarp and cover the hill for a few days. They'll move and never return or die off entirely.", "But the whole point of this, as he mentioned, is to not have them relocate to another part of the yard. It’s to remove the infestation entirely.", "Also, many ant species are invasive and you may not want them relocating somewhere unseen.", "Across the globe the insect population is dramatically dropping which is bad for the entire food chain. Unless absolutely necessary we should not be killing them. But relocating them", "At first I thought when he brought up burning and poisoning, it was to insinuate that you don't have to kill them with the upcoming method. Oops!", "Ants winning the long game", "I have a massive colony that stretches underneath the foundation of the house. It's pretty neat. Kinda psycho to do that to them.", "I find it hard to believe a man with talons", "This is the same guy that freaks out if you throw your plastic jug in the recycle bin with the label still attached.", "Cell phone cameras were crap in 2009 lmao. I have some photos from that year and they are super grainy", "A better method: tannerite.", "if you don't kill the queen, she just make more worker ants...you just be spinning your wheels.", "> It still works today\n\nI found this really funny for some reason. Like yea oil still makes glass super slippery and ant-kind has not figured that out. Next up they still haven't developed defenses against thermite.", "When he put the jar down I was like Damn, that's the biggest ant mound I've ever seen.", "Relocating an invasive species is not helping anything.", "WIFE crushes our ants with a rolling pin. Much healthier and better flavour.", "Wouldn't that also bake the grass under your tarp edges?", "Canola or motor ool", "Ima wiked comment", "But then you put fire in jar right? 🤪", "Easier way, dry grits. Yellow, white don't matter. Same idea as feeding \"Antacid\" to sea gulls. Sprinkle a half a tea spoon full on the nest, and wish them a fine dining experience.", "Cut your damn finger nails", "Right? \n\n\nAlert us when it doesn't work, as the ants have developed mitigating strategies. Then we can start to get concerned.", "Ants can’t eat solid food, the grits thing is an old wives tale.", "This should be titled how to harvest ants for fun and profit. Because now you are a man with a Mason jar filled with fire ants and that opens a lot of doors.", "I'm pretty sure it's just an actual potato.", ">This still works today\n\nThis may be true for now, but not for long.\n\nRecent satellite imagery from the US Military has uncovered evidence of underground research facilities constructed to develop anti-mason jar defense systems which may have already been in use for as long as a decade. Based on evidence of successful tests experts believe ants may deploy this technology as early as mid-January of 2022, but at a minimum it should be in use by this upcoming spring.", "You mean his inch long finger nails?", "Thank you for sharing . Ill have to remember that when I get the garden going again", "I would wager that he's a guitarist and has them that length to play fingerstyle songs.", "Yes", "Do I want to keep ants out of my garden? I don't think that they are doing any damage.", "cant eat without your workers", "What is this?! Resolution for ants?!", "it's a video from 2009 go back to bed grandpa", "Thoughts and prayers they recover.", "As a gardener, this baffles me. \n\nWhy wouldn't you want ants in your garden? They're an essential part of any ecosystem, including your garden.", "I read this like a John Mulaney bit", "My Grandpa uses baking powder against ants. Apparently when they eat it, it expands and kills them.", "It looks like a lawn not a garden. I would not want fire ants in my lawn because I like to walk around bare foot or with sandals on.", "Same. I am way too muslim, so I try to avoid unnecessary killing. I figured he was going to show a trick which makes the ants hate a nearby smell and they just leave out of their own volition.", "I see you haven't met fire ants.", "Source?", "Fire ants, yes.", "Then why do they steal bread and eggs and meat?", "Clearly not", "I'm 100% with you, unless they are a destructive invasive species like fire ants.", "This is a school prank in the making", "This is also how your great grandparents recorded themselves keeping ants from their gardens.", "And then you have a jar full of ants to throw wherever you want", "Or just haven ant in your garden? Maybe have less lawn and more garden, the ecosystem will balance itself out", "Have you been stung by fire anta from the southern United states?", "Was it more popular for men to grow out their fingernails in 2009?", "there was a video, years ago. guy took these large fans, put some kind of covering on them and set them in his yard. mosquitos would come and get stuck to them, unable to fly away from fans suction. he then shut them off and dropped the nets into a tub. he would collect millions of mosquitos over his summer this way and clamed it helped not get bitten in his yard", "Why does it work then? Wherever you put the grits down the colony dies.", "There's a solid documentary on the issue, here you can see glimpses of the facility in action: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFX14TEiBOw&t=112s", "I wonder if you could train the ants to not fall for this. Trap them and then dump them back in the nest and do it over and over till they possibly learn not to climb in. Then you can train them to do bank heists as a next step.", "But where do they go if they aren't in your yard? Your neighbors?", "Neighbors", "That's pretty damning. Thanks!", "Lmfao it doesn’t work. Why would there be expensive ant killers if literally grits worked?", "I know it works, I have done it myself. Also I worked for years as a \"pest control manager\" and those expensive ant killers are just money makers. Also you are not supposed to use some of them all the time because they get into the eco system. ie Termador", "...yes because of cocaine", "But it literally doesn’t though. Not only can you find just as much anecdotal evidence that says it doesn’t work to counter your anecdotal evidence that it does, you can also find facts that say it’s biologically impossible for it to work. Your “facts” are objectively false, since ants can’t eat solid foods. \n\nIf they were just money makers, why wouldn’t they just sell you grits instead of adding shit to em? All the crap that they add costs them money, would t the better money maker would be to sell you the thing that works and not spend money on adding things that don’t do anything?\n\nIt just doesn’t make sense from like all angles, not just because ants can’t eat food. Which is literally the only angle you need to know to understand it’s BS", "Maybe, just maybe, the fungus they feed it to dies?\n\n Edit we are talking about fire ants. Not sugar ants. I have sat classes for this stuff, I can use a spoonful of kerosene and do the same job as a few thousand dollars of expensive chemicals on a mosquito population.", "You can only do this in at-will states.", "This needs to be at least….. 4 more resolutions more clearer!", "And they will have to kill them to get rid of them...", "That's pretty much all of them. But, luckily, they're violent (and violence means you can play Just Cause).", "I remember seeing this!", "anyone got old timey hacks for getting rid of mice?", "Apparently you can also put a tarp over them and seal it to make them overheat and they leave the area.", "Wait we’re talking about kerosene? I thought we were talking about grits?", "It would be cheaper for them to sell grits labelled 'Ant Killer'. And that's what they would do, if it worked.", "I am just pointing out that there are far cheaper ways to kill bugs than expensive chemicals. \n\nDid they not use examples in school when you went to it?\n\nI can kill rats with Styrofoam and thread as well.", "Ok that’s cool. None of that means that grits kill ants tho lol", "And that's how they separate people like you from your money. Arrogance and ignorance go hand in hand.", "You’re the one getting mad that I’m pointing out the simple fact that grits don’t kill ants and your explanation is biologically impossible. \n\nProbably a reason you had to make “worked as pest control” past tense", "I am not mad a bit, you are wrong that's all. As I have said and you have ignored for reasons beyond me , the ants feed to the grits to the fungus , then the fungus dies and the ants starve......\n\nYeah its past tense, why should I continue to expose myself to poison every day when I have a higher paying job sitting in ac ,shuffling some papers? \n\nI guess its not manly enough right, better to kill myself than live a long and better life. You need to read a book instead of killing spiders with them.", ">Easier way, dry grits. Yellow, white don't matter. Same idea as feeding \"Antacid\" to sea gulls. Sprinkle a half a tea spoon full on the nest, and wish them a fine dining experience.\n\n>As I have said and you have ignored for reasons beyond me , the ants feed to the grits to the fungus , then the fungus dies and the ants starve......\n\nYeah that’s definitely what you said lmao. Because feeding it to the fungus (you mean larvae but you’re still wrong) is the same thing as pushing the narrative that they eat it and blow up. You know, the same idea as antacid to a seagull?\n\nCome on guy. You’re wrong. Just face it. Plenty of still professionals follow false old wives tales, doesn’t make them valid just because they still do em.", "Maybe follow the thread instead of just picking and choosing what suits your bull.", "Maybe, just maybe, the fungus they feed it to dies?\r \n\r \nEdit we are talking about fire ants. Not sugar ants. I have sat classes for this stuff, I can use a spoonful of kerosene and do the same job as a few thousand dollars of expensive chemicals on a mosquito population.\n\nThats the part where you were beaten and then tried to send the convo in a different direction.", "Lmao you start talking about mosquitos but I’m the one who sent it in a different direction? You literally just quoted where you did that what are you talking about lol", "Yeah, might want to pick your quotes better lol", "Again you just ignore what is in front of you, and go on. \n\nI can only assume English is not your native language. \n\nSee that first line , that is the subject of the convo. \n\nThe Edit is a conformation of the subject, and also my 'credentials' of a sort, and an example of not having to use expensive chemicals to get the job done.\n\nThis time like last time , when shown you are in the wrong , you take the convo in a another direction to hide that you are just spewing crap.\n\nI can keep throwing food under the bridge just as long as you will eat it.", "You might want to learn how sentence structure and chain of events flow.", "I mean but grits still don’t kill ants tho. Trying to blame me when you changed the conversation still doesn’t change that fact.", "You might want to learn grits don’t kill ants tho", "I will have to apologize to the dozens upon dozens of nests I have killed with grits then.", "But it doesn’t work tho.", "Only in your mind.", "Yeah, the “antacid” effect changes to some fungus that feeds the ants when I already corrected you that you mean larvae not fungus in your incorrect assertion. \n\nBut it’s all in my head.", "Uh no I mean the fungus they grow to eat. You really think ants don't/can't eat? No wonder. LOL You keep making me laugh, keep going, I suppose they they have stingers on their abdomens as well? Fangs? Oh oh are ants photosynthetic?", "Lmfao you’re pretending like me leaving out “solid food” when we both have said that they can’t eat solid food is the same as not even knowing how they eat lmfao. And no, you mean larvae. \n\nYou can keep proving that you don’t know what you’re talking about, it’s not going to make grits magically work. Let alone work the way you think lol", "They work and you pretending that ants eat their own young is not gonna change that.", "Lmfao you really doubling down that you’re this dumb? Seriously a simple google search is less important than making an ass out of yourself? Ok lol\n\nGrits still don’t work, but please keep making an ass of yourself. It’s funny.", "I guess all the nests I have killed out with grits is all in my mind and the minds of the people who I did it for and they paid me. I should question my whole existence because some internet rando says what I have done myself is not real...... \n\nI guess I was hatched from an speckled egg, low those nearly fifty years ago and was placed into a fantasy world. Thank you kind internet rando for showing me that the last half a century was naught but a dream.........\n\nLOL", "Pretty embarrassing that your whole existence is tied to the belief of an old wives tale, but if that’s what you think you should do I’m not gonna be stopping you. \n\nAnd I don’t know what you think talking about being over 50 is gonna do other than make your reaction seem that much more embarrassing. You’ve lived this long without being able to accept that you’re wrong about something. Fucking sad lol\n\nI also never said you sprinkling ineffective grits on ant piles “isn’t real”. I’m saying it doesn’t work. If you’re trying to be such a bitch about word choice you probably shouldn’t do what you’re bitching about.", "Again I have done it dozens and dozens of times, and it works, I have made money from it, and no amount of you QQing will change that fact.\n\nAlso name calling? Just another loss for you. That's the third one so far. Next is to say I spelled something wrong.", "I mean you can keep getting mad about everything else, it still doesn’t work tho. I’ll take whatever imaginary losses make you feel better about being wrong but refusing to accept it, it still doesn’t work lol", "Mad, I am laughing at how you are flailing about with your weak trolling.\n\nI know you are never wrong, even when you are wrong you are right. \n\nBottom line is grits work, I have done it and got paid for it, and all your being wrong and pretending you are not is making me laugh at you.", "Don’t be mad at me that you wasted grits for 50+ years, I’m just the guy who let you know it doesn’t work.", "Well don't be mad that you believed a you tube video, I am the exterminator that let you know it does work.", "But it still doesn’t work tho", "It does though.", "Using thermite as an example wasn't an accident, fess up" ]	116	videos	This is how your great grandparents kept ants from their gardens. This still works today
https://youtu.be/UEOrcPfUngI	/r/videos/comments/r8cjl6/cops_raid_a_bush/	[ "OP here with some context: \n\nThis person has been staying in a tent in that bush for about a month or so now. Recently there was a report of a burglary nearby and cops allege that someone matching his description was caught on camera and asked him to come out. He refused and continued to refuse for over an hour as more and more cops gathered around the bush. Close to maybe a couple hours later, K9 was brought in and the cops dragged his tent out as shown above.", "16 shotgun-armed cops for a homeless guy camping out of sight.\n\nFuck these guys.", "'Anybody else in there with you', mate it's a fucking flat tent what do you think", "This is fucking shameful.", "You never know what's lurking in the shrubbery in San Francisco!", "I was hoping for George or Jeb. Maybe next time.", "Do you believe he might have matched the description? i.e. This was a good faith effort to actually resolve the situation? Or do you believe it was more of them removing him unjustly? \n\nI've watched the video a few times now to just look and really observe what was going on. The two officers with the orange long guns I believe are carrying less-than-lethal rounds (which is why theyre* orange, those weapons should never be loaded with lethal rounds). A K9 unit, 4 officers to pull the tent, and another 3 on overwatch. \n\nIs this too many cops for pulling a single guy out? Probably, but I question if every officer has a less-than-lethal weapon with them. Those two were probably called in specifically, same with the K9. They also seem like they were fairly careful getting him up and into cuffs and did so without malice and didn't show continued aggression after.\n\nHonestly as much as I'm against an over use of force this seems.. fairly reasonable. Hopefully this was a lawful and good faith follow-up to the burglary and not just an excessive use of force to remove an individual who is currently without an address.", "Perhaps he's known to be armed and dangerous? Maybe he's a fugitive on the run or some shit...", "I 100% agree with you here. \n\nAs for what I believe, I’m not sure. I don’t have too much opinion one way or another in that regard. I never saw the security camera footage so I’m not sure if he matches the description or not. For all I know he could have been the burglar or he could have been forced out by a nosy neighbor. All the context I have is from what I witnessed throughout the incident and what I heard the cop saying to the man in the bush. \n\nI agree that the amount of force seemed justified and I believe the SFPD did a decent job with the situation. They didn’t have any information on the guy who could be hiding something within the tent in the bush. They were patient and stood out there for a couple hours actively negotiating with him before they decided to drag him out. Didn’t seem to use an unnecessary amount of force and pulled him up before cuffing him rather than dog piling him like some other cops. I watched basically the entire incident and they gave him a lot of chances as more and more cops gathered/responded to the scene. \n\nI hope it’s a lawful and good faith follow-up to a burglary as well. \n\nThanks for your response!", "That would be hilarious if George or Jeb got pulled out of there. Bush out of a bush", "Yeah,\n\nHonestly if all police encounters were this professional we would be in a much better place.", "Preach!", "Damn them cops. Best we let the dude keep doing drugs in his bush and burglarizing nearby homes.", "It just seems like in the richest country in the world, we could take better care of people." ]	14	videos	Cops Raid a Bush
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8cnih/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r8cnih/deleted_by_user/	[ "\"What does the machine do?\"\n\n\"It makes Jiro cry.\"", "Jump to 1:45 to see the actual start", "neither did I, but in hindsight its such and obvious thing to automate. expensive and labor intensive.", "Takes even longer then doing it by hand, and requires an attendant. So dumb." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8cqba/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r8cqba/deleted_by_user/	[ "Look up Jimble Kimble doing Karl Malone !! 😬😬", "He actually used to be funny before he went woke", "Why shockingly? He's a funny dude." ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/baKf3zOd7T0	/r/videos/comments/r8dien/it_hurts_girls_too_female_nut_shots_knee_to_the/	[ "The good ol’ clam slam.", "Did the announcer said cucchi? or was it cucche?", "Gash bash.", "she got hit on her inner thigh not the vag." ]	4	videos	It hurts girls, too, Female Nut Shots, knee to the groin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qpbc1bFXJmg	/r/videos/comments/r8dtz1/jumping_off_the_highest_point_in_marvels/	[ "Wow that avengers game can't stop disappointing", "Lol yeah wow", "Look im all for shitting. However I do not see how these two games can be compared hahaha", "As bad as that avengers game is the Square Enix guardians game is a really nice surprise and well done,", "Why does he even have that animation for doing a nose dive right before he hits the ground", "The mechanics for spider man are tighter in a spider man game. Colour me surprised." ]	6	videos	Jumping Off The Highest Point In Marvel's Spider-Man PS4 Vs. Marvel's Avenger's PS5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjGfLo77QlM	/r/videos/comments/r8e882/enter_sandman_1992_chase_high_school_talent_show/	[ "[Hold it, hold it Fellas. I'm afraid you're just too darn loud. Next please..](https://youtu.be/lt2BN9SeZsc)", "Sit your ass down Karen", "This is a good memory for OP. Maybe the highlight of their life, so we can let them have it, I guess.", "wtf is green stripe shirt dude doing?", "I may prefer it to the original.", "Lead guitar looks like a forty-year old car salesman with that mustache.", "One reason this is extra special, is because this is in 1992. No Guitar Centers everywhere yet. As soon as that happened, sooo many people had bands. I feel like it was around the year 2001-2002…. “Oh, you have a band? Cool (rolls eyes)”.", "I'm afraid you're just too darn loud Next, please", "We had a teacher try to break up a mosh pit we started at our high school talent show back in the 2000. Basically, we won, and so did our friends band who was on stage.", "Even if you don't like the music, you have to give it to them for the performance. What are you on about? Your comment is so back handed for no reason. These gentlemen could have gone on to be very successful. You don't know that they didn't. Don't be cruel.", "the camera work...", "Not a bad highlight.", "Giving the drummer a thumbs up", "This is quite good for '92 high school talent show.. Really the only negative i can say is the front man is leading too much and has a bit of a problem hitting all the notes but nothing that a bit of training wouldn't fix. I was around the \"scene\" back then and just finding 5 guys that can all play was a difficulty.. There was no internet, everyone was a bit more awful at everything cause we had to learn it all basically with trial and error, trying to copy stuff you hear without knowing how they do it.. Now you can go and learn this very song, every single lick and riff is isolated. The bad thing now is that you have NO excuses anymore, at least we had that in our favor back then, every band had to invent their own wheel.", "At my middle school science fair this 8th grader's project was about \"the guitar.\" This previously shorter, quiet guy was just shredding enter sandman in front of a poster board, and for the first time it wasn't that basketball stars getting the gyms attention. My group of friends, visiting 6th graders, were mesmerized. A month later we were a band. And we sucked. But it didn't slow us up at all.", "It’s always the most normal looking guy who can melt your face off. Great Guitarist!", "That’s just her job. She’s not a Karen for doing her (very low-paying) job.", "Some one is a little jelly.", "Mr. Huey Lewis himself!", "I sure hope all those kids bought the album.", "Drummer is tighter than Lars lol.\n\nThis is really good especially for 1992. No guitar tutorials on YouTube. Maybe there was a tab book out there but those were known for being full of errors. To play a song correctly you had to figure out by ear, and if you’re lucky there’s a live concert vhs that you can see their fret hand placement", "What Metallica could have sounded like if Vince Neil was the front man", " Enter Sandman? So basically every high school talent show on Earth in 1992.", "That was usually how I figured out my favorite songs. As long as I knew which frets were pressed in what order I could fiddle with rhythm until it sounded right.\n\nCompletely taught myself wrong on how to hold my hands but I could play songs.\n\nOur drummer however, used metronome and those CDs that came in practice booklets you could pick up at guitar stores. He got REALLY good.", "We had Guitar magazines monthly, they always had at least 3 songs laid out in tabs. Its how I learned just about every song I liked until I got on the net and moved to the [OLGA](https://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/cached/chapter7/link7.64.OLGA.html) about the time this video would have been. Most were pretty accurate since they were basically crowd sourced." ]	27	videos	Enter Sandman 1992 Chase High School Talent Show
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8edec/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r8edec/deleted_by_user/	[ "9", "1", "Please excuse my dear aunt Shanikwa, but the answer is 1", "The answer is 9. PEDMAS from left to right.\n\n 6 / 2 X (1 + 2)\n 3 X (3) = 9", "I learned it as PEMDAS, so the answer is 1. My Shaolin style defeats your Monkey style.", "The answer is syntax error. Single equals sign is an assignment operation and the left side of the assignment operation here aint a valid identifier (and if it is, I don't want to program in your programming language thank you very much).\n\nSidenote: What madman puts spaces between division symbols but not inside the parenthesis? Get a goddamn linter you absolute barbarian.", "There is no difference between PEMDAS and PEDMAS. The [order of operations](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_operations#Definition) dictate you do M (multiplication) and D (division) at the same time, left to right. So the answer is 9.", "Damn you. Damn you to heck, bot." ]	8	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VQlqjONEsKQ&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/r8epw4/rod_serling_writerhost_of_the_twilight_zone/	[ "I used to watch Twilight Zone a lot as a child, but have never heard him speak other than the show. He is incredibly well spoken. Will definitely have to read up on him.\n\nEdit: Holy shit...he was deployed during the Battle of Leyte!?", "Dude was 35 years old in this.", "I could listen to that man read the phone book.", "The man has a grasp of the vernacular.", "I feel that this probably still happens on Network tv to some extent. I’d also venture that the lettering writing to which he referred and the idea that many were in the same hand, could be shown to be identical to certain cancel culture movements today. A handful of people simply trying to force their ideals on others.", "Smoking ages you.", "I had a doctor appointment today. I felt like I was in that episode when the attractive woman recovers from surgery and screams because she did not turn out a freak like everyone else. She gets sent to a camp for freaks i.e. The handsome people in society.", "He eats and shits thesauruses. I had to turn captions on and use google. I learned like 8 new words.", "Rod Serling is my favorite person of the 20th century. He lived through some truly crazy and intense events, and channeled a lot of his trauma into the Twilight Zone. The episode \"No Time Like the Past\" depicts his thoughts on war very well. Rod is a legend.", "Truly a series that speaks across generations.", "Articulate", "As does war…", "This dude has an amazing voice and charisma.", "Hell yes it still happens today and I'd say in some instances it's probably worse. You've got sponsors for some things like say Youtube where stuff like satire gets taken down. You've got the Twitter crowd which is a handful of people that get up in arms about anything. Then you've got production companies themselves that are so interested in reaching the largest audience possible that everything they make is practically live actions cartoons for adults.", "He should have moved to the UK and written for the BBC. However these days he BBC is attacked by both ends, commercial broadcasters that co produce and are governed by advertisers and the cancel culture of both the left and right wing factions.", "If only he would have discussed lung cancer.", "Happens more than ever.", "This is a lot of the reason he was drawn to science fiction. You couldn't talk about social issues without scaring off the sponsors, but if you hide the same message in a story about robots or aliens you can get away with it. He was hitting on topics on the Twilight Zone that wouldn't be covered on mainstream TV for years.", "Drill Sargent English Major: \"By the time I am done with you, you will eat dictionaries and shit out a thesaurus!\"", "Few were aware it caused cancer in 1959. People assume something isn't too bad when it's used by everyone. How many people think about red meat causing cancer today?", "War, war never changes", "@ 3:44:\n\n>Obviously this is why a lunatic fringe of letter writers can greatly affect what the sponsor has in mind.\n\nTwitter in a nutshell.", "Another interesting fact about that show is Lucille Ball (of I Love Lucy) was largely responsible for getting it financed and made. Same with the original Star Trek.", "He also noted how all the letters were postmarked the same time and place and had the same handwriting. That's 10,000 negative votes in 10 seconds from a bot at one IP address these days.", "He was a brilliant writer and a brilliant speaker. I wish he hadn't been a smoker.", "I love all the \"people these days\" comments about \"censorship\" that you get \n\nBack in his day you couldn't/it was controversial to:\n\n1) Satirize politics, pretty much at all \n\n2) BETTY WHITE was cancelled, in part because she had a prominently featured black member of her team\n\n3) Show someone pregnant or say \"pregnant\" \n\n4) Have an interracial couple \n\n5) Show or hear a toiler\n\n6) Elvis was filmed from the waist up for Ed Sullivan because his dancing was too suggestive \n\n7) Acknowledge gay people at all. \n\n8) Show that a couple shared a bed. \n\nGoing back even further, it was considered obscene to show a woman in a print ad for feminine hygiene products -- and the first woman show in one was done without her permission.\n\nBut yeah sorry if someone thinks young people are wimps for not wanting racism on TV, I guess.", "Yup. It ruffles my feathers how people talk about outrage as though it was invented in 2009", "Oh yeah dude network comedians (SNL, talk shows, etc) talk all the time about trying to get their jokes past in-house network censors. \n\nHere's a whole bit Conan did -- and he was on cable where you aren't even regulated by OTA laws \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIcvnU9t7S0", "[ Jump to 03:44 @ Serling on Censorship](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQlqjONEsKQ&t=0h3m44s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Anthony Cumia, Video Popularity: 99.48%, Video Length: [05:13])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@03:39](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQlqjONEsKQ&t=0h3m39s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "War is hell. Relevant username 👌 never did finish Fallout 4 on PC 😔", "Reddit in a nutshell. We live in an era of fierce societal denial. Especially when it comes to media. Nothing is allowed to make anybody uncomfortable anymore.", "This bit is amazing!\n\nFor extra money in his college years, Serling worked part-time testing parachutes for the United States Army Air Forces. According to his radio station coworkers, he received $50 for each successful jump and had once been paid $500 (half before and half if he survived) for a hazardous test.: 58 His last test jump was a few weeks before his wedding. In one instance, he earned $1,000 for testing a jet ejection seat that had killed the previous three testers.*" ]	32	videos	Rod Serling, writer/host of The Twilight Zone, discusses TV censorship in 1959
https://youtu.be/_Cr7F-oLU84	/r/videos/comments/r8eqsn/german_forklift_training_video/	[ "This video is amazing, yes. \nBut I greatly encourage you to turn on the auto-generated captions.", "What exactly were you seeing here before detective Holmes? This is the type of content I loved and used to come here for and that’s why I posted it here.", "Random word generator you mean!!", "Here is a version that works better for making auto-translated english subtitles\n\n \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-pJ3R7XnBU", "Ah, what a throwback.", "https://youtu.be/IAHzP4umE4M\n\nwith actual subs", "I’ve been here for a fucking decade and I check the is sub pretty much twice a day. It might have been posted once or twice without me noticing, but not hundreds.", "Lmaoooo 🤣" ]	11	videos	German Forklift Training Video
https://youtu.be/mGFdWcJU7-0	/r/videos/comments/r8flqe/inside_australias_covid_internment_camp/	[ "Smh. People are really falling for this.", "Kafkaesque would be apt to describe what is going on in Australia…[Dark Horse clip ](https://youtu.be/xE32JHW-q5M)", "I couldn’t even watch it all, it’s such BS", "Lol.. yea wow ok I believe . Ima believer now", "Yes, you’re doing something wrong. Enjoy camp.", "Nice to know that you would have been on the wrong side of history during world war 2.", "The evidence spread online from footage in the camps and first hand accounts is very telling. If this progresses you can look back on this moment and congratulate yourself for potentially being another Holocaust denier.", "I meant they think this is a good thing. It’s not.", "They had mandatory vaccines to fight in WWII. Except Germany of course", "It’s fake.", "If you really knew what the holocaust was, you wouldn't be using that at all as a comparison." ]	11	videos	Inside Australia's Covid internment camp
https://youtu.be/hua7EQjPGJk	/r/videos/comments/r8ga14/the_goonies_chunks_tells_them_everything/	[ "That kid was a gem - played that role perfectly.\n\nWonder why he stopped acting... \n\nhttps://m.imdb.com/name/nm0169480/filmotype/actor\n\nEdit -- found out why. He wanted to work in the business side of entertainment:\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Cohen_(actor)", "Gotta wonder what these seasoned adult actors thought of this kid riffing comedy gold, if they lost it during filming.", "Thanks for sharing your discovery!" ]	3	videos	The Goonies, chunks tells them EVERYTHING.
https://youtu.be/LogS0635UUQ	/r/videos/comments/r8gl2n/cleopatras_3rd_egg_on_antiques_roadshow_with_very/	[ "This asshole is taking over the world.", "Never expected this kind of top-tier shitposting from Antiques Roadshow", "Ryan Reynolds is a national treasure", "Geez, I actually watched the whole commercial. Damn that man and his ability to make me do just that.", "is this Red Notice?", "Red Notice is going to be the next Fast and Furious franchise.", "It was fun. I'll accept it.", "I don’t get it? Like, it’s obviously funny that the guy is sugarcoating that he stole the egg from a museum and the evaluator just plays along with it, but is there some broader thing happening? Is this a sketch out of a comedy show?", "It's from Red Notice. A movie he's in where he tries to steal the egg. This scene isn't in the movie. He's just playing the character to help fund raise.", "Thank you!" ]	10	videos	Cleopatras 3rd egg on Antiques roadshow with very special guest Nolan Booth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aGnSWsJ2KY	/r/videos/comments/r8grgu/dunkey_call_of_duty_19_vanguard/	[ "he won't do it\n\nyou'll see", "This is the best Donkey Kong December yet", "But do you like Donkey Kong?", "How anyone plays CoD these days is beyond me. The multiplayer has been stale since MW3 for fuck's sake. I get the appeal of Warzone and why that's popular but this? Run around for five seconds, get killed, do it again. So FUN!\n\nI think I'll just go play Donkey Kong.\n\nedit; One of the replies to this is literally two words \"It fun\" and it currently has 45 upvotes. A mindless game for mindless fans lmao!", "That shit was hilarious", "Dude, they are COD players.", "They released a new COD? Cool wonder where it's this time...huh? Looks like BF1 characters...wtf is vanguard.", "Remember back in the day when COD and Halo were at its peak? Both at the same time?", "new COD every year babyyyyy", "Does the RC tank really kill that fast?\n\nAnd when did animations get so shit?", "\n\"RPG\" as in RPG-7 or RPG-2 or RPG-9000 does not stand for \"Rocket-Propelled Grenade\", It stands for \"Ruchnoĭ protivotankovyĭ granatomet\" or \"Hand Held Anti-tank Grenade Launcher\"\n\nThe Panzerfaust is a Hand Held Anti-tank Grenade Launcher, therefore it is an RPG.\n\nJust like the RPG-2 doesn't fire a rocket but it's still an RPG.\n\nOh you wanna be a nerd get ready to be DUNKED ON", "Its every day baby", "Group of friends would party up in halo 3 after school to relax and have fun then move on to COD 4 when shit got real. What a time", "Yes, every match I play has at least 4 of these kind of people lol", "The graphics seriously look like a game from a decade ago", "RIP PickleMilk", "The graphics aren't overwhelming, but this video looks way worse than my setup with 4K and ultra settings.", "Is it winter? Then yes, there's a new call of duty", "Nobody diss our lord and savior, Donkey Kong!", "Member arbiter and the chief?", "Remember when big releases were exciting and rewarding?", "Bo2 was after mw3 and was arguably the best multiplayer CoD ever had, speaking as someone who played from cod3 to black ops 4. After bo2 it definitely started to go downhill, but bo2 was 100x better than MW3.", "I like Dunkey but do every one of his videos just automatically get posted here? \n\nThis is a standard Dunkey video", "wasnt bo2 the sales peak too? at least for a while?", "Graphics are OK but color palette of this game is horrible.", "Donkey Kong December\n\nDonkey Kong December\n\nDonkey Kong December\n\nDonkey Kong December\n\nDonkey Kong December\n\nDonkey Kong December\n\nDonkey Kong December\n\nDonkey Kong December", "I honestly miss those graphics for FPS. I can't see SHIT in this high detail era.", "Played from cod1 on pc, and no. Mw2 best", "Or he played for 40 hours and edited it to 3 minutes.", "As long as his standards are this high idc", "Name a youtube channel who's target demographic is less aligned with the demographics of r/videos", "Donkey Kong December though", "The hell do you mean? The graphics look pretty damn good. Also, this video is in 720p, so that could also contribute to it.", "It fun", "the sheer amount of content in MW2 was insane. the co-op missions were so much fun. there was one where one player is in a spy plane and the other is sneaking around stabbing people. then on top of that, the single player mode was huge and packed full of fun stuff. and then the multiplayer, the worst part of the game, was nearly perfect and was leagues above every other call of duty game made so far or hence.", "Imagining gamers recruited to fight a real war getting mad at ISIS for using an RPG.", "Imagine taking COD seriously anymore lol.\n\nI love the guy who was pissed at him for using an RPG, as though it’s the players’ responsibility to make the game fun and balanced, not the devs of this POS.", "> Run around for five seconds, get killed, do it again.\n\nMaybe break this cycle and start having fun? Like try not to die for as long as you can (edit: while getting the longest killstreak you can), for instance. Maybe play the objective?", "Very subjective.", "RPGs are not OP. That guy was just pissed cause he got killed. Some people are aggressive like that. Nothing to do with balance.", "Say I won't do it. Say I won't do it. Say I won't do it.\nAhma do it every day.\n\nSay I won't do it. Say I won't do it. Say I won't do it.\nAhma do it every day.\n\nSay I won't do it. Say I won't do it. Say I won't do it.\nAhma do it every day.\n\nSay I won't do it. Say I won't do it. Say I won't do it.\nBubba dubba dubba dubba dubba dubba .", "For me it's a shudder moment as for the old gits who used to play this game we always remember it as the Panzerfaust.", "Remeber midnight releases.\n\nThe big dawgs always dropped in winter and I would be freezing my balls waiting for that shit to open.", "I’m pretty sure bo2 was the sales peak overall for all cod games", "Dude thank you. I completely agree", "Hey it's me Carleton Banks", "Bots and shills", "Rpg aren't OP other than all the times I've been killed running face to face into an enemy who shoots it at our feet and only I die", "set graphic and texture to minimum?", "Can argue that people hated it so much they refused to buy another after it.", "I don’t mean to potentially cause a relapse in the drug that is CoD, but as someone who Master Prestige’d in BOII and considers it the best in the series, Vanguard might be the best one since 👀 \n\nI played a lot of MW19, but hated most of the maps. Gunplay was top tier though. Vanguard improved on the gunplay and the maps are back to the three lane formula that made early CoD so good. And there’s a shit ton of them for variety. And they introduced pacing, modulating how many players are in a given match. Your games can be as hectic or tactical as you want. \n\nNgl it was an impulse buy and I didn’t expect much after skipping Cold War. But since then I’ve been pleasantly surprised by how good it is. I really hope the next CoD is a carbon copy in a modern setting.", "I also can't imagine people football for fun and yet millions upon millions like to chase a ball, something that hasn't changed in 100's of years. Maybe you should stop bitching about other peoples fun. Fuck COD. Fucking Donkey Kong formule also hasn't changed in 30 years, the fuck are you going on about.", "> Maybe play the objective?\n\nWhoa whoa whoa whoa whoa. Let’s not start talking crazy talk here. FPS games have a grand history of players outright ignoring the objective. Who are you to advocate against such a long standing tradition?", "There is a great deal of content in Vanguard as well. 20 MP maps with various modes, campaign, and Zombies. You're getting your monies worth.", "F", "modern warfare shoothouse was amazing", "Dunk Tank", "A multiplayer game where the \"mute all\" is the best feature. \n\nHittin em out of the park Hacktivision.", "this 👏 is 👏 not 👏 a 👏 donkey 👏 kong 👏 video! 👏", "Thats because xbox and ps players don't realize there are settings for microphones. Its pretty common that the poor people are the problem.\n\nPC Race is Master Race.", "Did anyone else get strong \"Peanut Butter Jelly\" from that part of the MASTAHPIECE.", "No u", "Yeah no shit. This will look worse than pretty much 1080p low lettings. It's compressed.", "Every time I have done a similar thing with explosives by accident, I die too. Be it RPG or the grenade launcher.", "No shit", "This is like penis hour at George Clooney’s house", "DONKEY KONG DECEMBER \nDONKEY KONG DECEMBER", "You got older, that's the main difference.", "Most of them.", "Halo Infinite has really clean visual design in that regard. It’s honestly refreshing.", "This is correct idk why downvotes. They're just trying to collect karma for promotion.", "I stopped playing since black ops and bought this one on a whim. It’s fun but not as good as black ops lol. I’m sure I’ll get a few hours more of enjoyment before never picking it up again. Already started feeling stale last night and I have maybe 3 hours of gameplay in. Graphics do look decent on my pc (which isn’t even a great pc)", "Reminds me of black ops 3 when I would just run around with the ripper and a melee weapon. That shit was pretty much unstoppable and it got everyone so mad. \n\nThat game was an unbalanced mess but damn if it wasn't fun.", "This dude succeeded in totally modifying his content without alienating his fanbase, and I almost think he is more successful as a result.\n\nHe also taught me to never judge a book by how it sounds.", "No.\n\nI remember HALO being a generic shooter with aliens and horrible combat and COD having the occasional good game (COD2, COD4, and the stellar MW2) then PUBG hit and everyone thought they could make a good BR.", "Sometimes I get stoned, take off my glasses, and just play by feel with super HD. I think growing up playing on an old tube TV it unlocks something in my brain and I get better...i need to be stoned because it is stressful playing any FPS let alone without glasses.", "People like playing tag, and COD is just tag with guns.", ">Like try not to die for as long as you can\n\n Don't encourage people to camp.", "You're stoned out of your mind right now", "...Maybe because the enemies are highlighted bright red on Halo", "Donkey Kong is the shit.", "Not surprising. Just like clock work. Every time dunky shits out another awful vid. His shills always go \"omg he's so funny\". Sseth is the only real video game reviews I trust.", "We found the activision employee", "No that's not what this is at all.", "Ok I will edit!", "Except Halo:CE and Halo 2 blow 3 out of the water.", "Have you tried any other glasses on outside of the rose tinted ones?", "People enjoy living in a fantasy world where the games they played as kids were perfect. Just let them have it", "I remember when MW2 released and people were complaining how bad it was and how COD's glory days were in the past. \n\nFunny how opinions change given time.", "Soooooooo....should I get the ultimate version?", "OK grandpa let's get you to bed", "If someone doesn’t complain about campers then it’s not COD", "Walnuts!\nPeanuts!\nPineapples Smells!", "My bad, I forgot that you have anything other than a negative opinion about something then that makes you a shill. I forgot how reddit logic worked there for a second.", "Not with forge introduced", "They some how doesn't look as good as Modern warfare that came out like 2 or 3 years ago.", ">Like try not to die for as long as you can \n\nIs... isn't, um, that kinda the point already?", "real war is full of campers. they even dig holes to camp in it.", "Keep telling yourself that lol. There is a massive difference and maybe a small sliver is from age", "It is though", "Yeah I remember playing sabotage on COD 4 with my buddies and winning like 60+ games in a row because we'd actually play the objective.", "You wan to win? but muh KD ratio!", "How come every time dunkey posts a new video someone puts it on reddit? We can find it ourselves. Post some OC for gods sake.", "I think I'd be mad whatever way I died", "Halo was a generic shooter?! \n\n\nDo you have any idea how many fps staples it either invented, or set in concrete?\n\n\nJust to name a few:\n\n-Auto aim\n\n-Seperate grenade button\n\n-Aiming with the right thumb stick\n\n-Two weapons only\n\n-Melee button\n\n\n\nSaying it was generic is like saying the worlds first bike was generic because bikes are everywhere now.", "I don't understand why anyone would buy any CoD game after MW2019. With the amount of content in MW2019, there was ZERO chance that any of the following CoD's were going to replace all of that content.", "I bet your breath smells bad", "shotgun + rpg lmao Dunkey knows exactly how to piss off CoD players", "Oh boy…I may have to check it out then 👀", "I'd reccomend you dont waste your money lol. Theres a lot wrong with the game, and theres a high chance you get thrown into a game that will not be even remotely fun.\n\nAt least wait a month or 2 to see if anything gets fixed.", "There is constant content on warzone too. So it's enjoyable and profitable. big whoop", "I mean he introduces that bit with him shooting somebody point blank with it to no effect, then reloading and firing another in a time frame where literally any other weapon would have been more effective.\n\nAnd the other guy still whines \"RPG\" afterward as if bullets wouldn't have only killed him faster.", "> One of the replies to this is literally two words \"It fun\" and it currently has 45 upvotes. A mindless game for mindless fans lmao!\n\nPeople play games to have fun, just because you aren't having fun doesn't mean other people aren't. Sorry thats so hard for you to understand. Do you have a hard time understanding why people watch marvel movies?", "[that RC car weighs over 800lb](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goliath_tracked_mine)", "I sure hope it is.", "Mad you got ratio’d? 😂", "Anyways to defend OP, CoD has always felt like a frag fest no matter how you play. Characters have no inertia, the seem to have arcade-like speed, spawn timers are too fast and maps too small. If youre not running something high capacity, fast reload, and constantly moving forward youre just not gonna do so hot.", "I haven’t noticed any issues tbh. The operator animations at the end of matches are kind of annoying, but that’s my biggest issue. And of course the camo/attachment grinds but that’s always been in CoD and isn’t major. \n\nAs far as bugs/balance problems, I haven’t come across anything glaring. There are some annoying guns, but again, CoD has always had meta guns. The gunplay and maps more than make up for any of these tiny shortfalls. \n\nCompare that to BF2042. I still like it and will continue to play but god, that release was something else. Bugs and UI issues galore. Vanguards release was and is incredibly polished by comparison.", "Dunkey is a treasure.", "And has a max speed comparable to an adult walking.", "I'm assuming everyone currently in the military gets mad when ISIS shoots an RPG at them.", "What you don't like literally everything being shades of brown and dark green?", "I bet you don't know I write free verse poetry too \n\nMy god lmao", "Its a fucking panzerfaust people damn", "[They were actually pretty quick, faster than walking](https://youtu.be/zhK8L0PgPdA?t=13)\n\neven so, an 800lb animal walking into you is still going to hurt.", "Are people still playing? Like can you get games quickly? I wouldn't mind jumping back in.", "Not at all. I still get excited and am deeply rewarded from certain games when they are actual quality. If anything I think I appreciate a really good game MORE than when I was 14 or 20 or whatever. Now I have more experience and can better articulate what is good about them.\n\nI just got a VR setup in 2020 and it's been incredible.\n\nSo no, it's not my age, at least for me it isn't. It's just lazy, uninspired rehashes. Low in quality, low in effort.\n\nMaybe you're just saying \"yeah a 10 year old playing their first actual FPS multiplayer game will love CoD Vanguard\" - sure... but do we really want our games to just skate by on THOSE standards, will a dumb fucking kid with no point of reference enjoy them?", "Honestly I'm not sure what the point is No purpose to disrespect you. Within the CoD system, limitations and possibilities, it is possible to learn to play better and get better results. If you die every 5 secs, more training and experience is needed, simple as that. Sure, the game is not everybodys cup of tea, but it works very well within its own limitations and mechanics.\n\nSome will play the same loop and quit. Some will break that loop by identifying whats wrong and improving on it.", "Oh yeah, its a little more sweaty since the people who stuck around have been playing for a while but I haven't had any issues playing. \n\nWorst part about it is the amount of Ads Activision spams you to buy Vanguard and the other shitty COD.", "I'm old too", "It was obnoxious as hell in Return to Castle Wolfenstein, since you could launch it into the enemies spawn points very easily.", "Hearing those pissed off gamers brings me back. : )", "The Genea Convention is sorta that. OMG biological warfare?? Reely??", "the robut", "That's no fun, remember way back when Trollin videos were the shit.", "Yeah you could tell this was a shit review when Dunkey starts talking about Donkey Kong. Couldnt even focus on the game he was playing", "Forge provided literally hundreds of hours of entertainment for my brother, my friends and I on top of the hundreds of hours of campaign and online multiplayer. Halo 3 was honestly a big part of my adolescence.", "Mw2 is my favorite by far (200 days played here), but the multiplayer in bo2 was better in terms of movement/gunplay imo, even though it’s hard for me to admit. OMA noob tubes alone put it below bo2 in terms of balance, and that’s not debatable at all. \n\nMaps, the edge goes to mw2. But everything else goes to bo2.", "Third highest IGN rating of any cod (9.3), behind only cod4 (9.4) and mw2 (9.5).", "This game looks horrible honestly", "The guy reminiscing about the days when COD players wouldn't cap so much is some good shit.", "Sales peak isn't the same as best reviews though.\n\nDon't see why you downvoted me but w/e.", "You implied people didn’t like it. I pointed out that it was an objectively good game, both critically and commercially.", "Critics score is bullshit, especially IGN, bought and paid for. \n\nAll I was saying is that if it was THAT good of game then the next game should have even higher sale numbers right? Cos people loved it that much they must want to buy the next and every year that passes we have more and more people gaming so every year we have a bigger buyer base. \n\nOr maybe that's what happened with the previous game and they bought a ton of bo2 cos they loved the last game so much but hated bo2 so they didn't buy another. \n\nWhat I'm saying is a logically sound argument so I don't see why it's annoying you.", "A lot of sales fluctuation with a series like CoD with yearly releases is due to fatigue. \n\nI downvoted because I disagreed, you seem to be the one who is oddly annoyed. Many probably just saw that the next games were set to be infinity ward (who lost their best personnel after mw2, they went on to form Respawn) and sledgehammer titles (new to cod at that point) and didn’t buy because of that. It would make no sense to blame sales slumps on bo2 when sales declined for both ghosts (2013) and advanced warfare (2014), but picked back up by 5 million copies for black ops 3 (2015) with respect to advanced warfare. If people hated treyarch/bo2 so much, sales would have declined even further for the next installment in the black ops series relative to other IW/SHG games. Instead, they were very healthy, and rose by 5 million compared to advanced warfare. Logically, your argument makes no sense given that data.\n\nhttps://vgsales.fandom.com/wiki/Call_of_Duty", "That's not the purpose of the downvote button, hence why you come across as annoyed, I haven't downvoted you cos whilst I disagree with you, you're still offering a discussion. \n\nYou're not wrong there I think there may be a point to be made that people got a bit lethargic over a new release every year and skipped out on a few releases and then saw that bo2 was changing the formula up so decided to buy back in after a few years of the franchise being stale as fuck.\n\nYou really can't discount the ever expanding market though. Cod1 came out when it was still taboo to play games but it still sold extraordinarily well and as a mainstream game the new people joining the market are likely to try cod out cos it's such a behemoth.", "I’m pretty sure Germany said similar about shotguns in WWII", "Years and years ago I had an eye-opening experience when I visited a friend's house. Their strategy to keep their small child placated was to plant them in front of the TV and let them play CoD.\n\nI imagine a lot of the clueless players you encounter in these games are literally children.", "Yeah probably a lot of cursing when one of those whizzes by you or explodes near you. COD confirmed to be very realistic.", "Only FPS I've played where the community wasn't filled with a bunch of salt mines was Fortnite.\n\nTbf though 90% the people playing are like 11 or stoned 20 year olds.", "the robit", "The new Donkey Kong game looks amazing. Might pick it up, but I’m worried the coconut gun is a bit OP.", "Perfectly summarises why we all hate Multiplayer FPS", "It’s using the exact same engine. I have a Series S and this game looks just as good if not better since it’s optimized for that system.", "More like a change of people. Most of us Cod4 people who said mw2 was unbalanced are probaly dead now", "I don't think it was quite that long ago.", "i was just going to jump in, these kids buying fruit hats and $60 unfinished piece of shit games (that's if they can avoid the deluxe edition) they buy $1500 graphics cards and think SLI is cool.\n\nMeanwhile, bought three top-line gpus for 1000 in 2012 when pairing them actually worked in like 10 games, three monitors, tried that, definitely got older got that shit out of my system. But then BAM, VR, at least it's fun. Yet they come here with their 120 deluxe editions and expensive ass games or $1500 GPU to be mediocre at League of Legends in 240hz since 144 doesn't cut it and you obviously need the 100% headroom for it, or just buy console after console and overpay for games.\n\nMy sim rig started with the steering wheel in 2006 and I recently finished it with proper pedals, joysticks, throttle, new shifter (got two), been through 3 fucking VR headsets, got hundreds of VR games for less than my 30 game ps3 collection, no subscription no in-game purchases.\nPut three subwoofers behind the seat and one fifteen inch on the side as a table for the throttle. Visceral\n\nBut, VR is dead tech, what would a boomer know about gaming.\n\nFlying elite dangerous with this rig beats anything I played before ever, zooming around in Space Engine.. a truly incredible experience. Arena shooter Grapple Tournament, driving trucks and watching futurama while driving, trying anything you could imagine.\n\nBut, did you hear about the latest mobile game????", "> Flying elite dangerous with this rig beats anything I played before ever\n\nHonestly I felt choked up playing Elite Dangerous in VR. I know it sounds pathetic to some people but I had a strong emotional response to being in that universe. BEING IN IT, not feeling like I was playing something.\n\nI hyperjumped into a system, the massive star was right infront of me, I looked to the side and checked information on the system, headed to a space station. There were ships flying in and out. I just felt like: \"holy shit, I will never live long enough to experience this kind of thing in the real world, but my dream of living in the future, flying around space, seeing the beauty of the universe is tantalizingly close in Elite Dangerous VR\"\n\nAnd there have been other amazing, AMAZING VR experiences. I thought I was old and jaded, seeing the same shit come out, classic franchises spinning their wheels (or making the classics spin in their graves)... but it wasn't me. It was the shit that was releasing and the low effort trash that passes for AAA.\n\nValheim is a fantastic flat game, and there are a few other smaller games that were great, but VR really made me realize how much I still love gaming and how magical it can be.", "soisoisoisoisoisoisoi", "Clearly old and with the times. Remember to SMASH that like button, subscribe, and don't forget to try out the awesome Raid Shadow Legends: Thing Goes BRRR to also get a chance to win an awesome Banana Peel Fortnite Minigun, It's everything games could ever dream of being!!! HURRY NOW!!! ALSO BUY THIS OTHER GAME FOR THE 20TH TIME IN DEFINITIVE EDITION ZOMGGG!!111", "Vanguard is the least polished game I've picked up in about a decade. There are issues left and right to the point where I cannot have fun even if I want to.\n\nPackets loss, mvp screen, getting booted out of matches constantly, kill streak bugs that allow constant dogs, dogs dont die in a full clip, constantly clicking any menu just to be booted out of it, frequently having to wait about 2 minutes for the game to realize I'm not still lvl 1, spawning directly in front of enemies who are already aiming at someone else, selecting a certain game size and only getting blitz... and so many more. Ik people will want to say, \"its just you're connection\". Nah, check the vanguard reddit. It's a big problem. Vanguard is the only game I have issues with.\n\nIt's terrible, and I really, really want to like it bc is has some of the old maps I used to love.", "Yup. I never ask: \"Where is the enemy?\" because it's so obvious. I'm not a big fan of it.", "Also I've totally played games where you feel real chill, zoomed in and you get meleed. Now you know I have a very low chance of turning and getting the kill before I die and just stand still and let the dude kill me. \n\nBasically you don't have to go hardcore 100% of the time when you just play unranked random matches for fun.", "This actually looks like a decent game…what’s the catch?", "it didnt invent shit\n\n\n\n-Aiming with the right thumb stick\n\n you could do that on n64 in every fps\n\nin fact all of those you could on n64 fps games minus aa\n\ni played quake 2 on n64 using same controls as \nhalo\n\nremember this game called GoldenEye?\n\n most popular fps game before xbox and halo even came out?", "Tbh I haven’t experienced most of those issues on PS4. Spawns can be bad, like on Shipment and Dome, but whatever, that can probably be fixed at some point. Dogs are a little tanky but I don’t think they take more than a full clip. Though I wish killing them would give you XP, if only to let you know they’re dead.\n\nEverything else I’ve not experienced. I might’ve gotten booted from one game? Haven’t experienced any lag spikes or rubber banding of that nature. No straight crashes. Menus have been smooth for me. I also get into games pretty quickly. Almost too quickly as I don’t have time to look at any new attachments I’ve unlocked.\n\nSounds like maybe your issues are all on PC? If so, I believe you, CoD has historically had pretty bad PC versions, especially at launch.", "Not long enough for us to be dead no hahaha, but it is a long time ago. Like 14 years since cod4 was released? So I highly doubt that the people who made up the majority of critism against mw2 still make up the majority.\n\nI would guess that a huge amount of cod players were born after cod4 was released.", "I think you missed the point. \n\nHalo did have a bunch of first-of-its-kind innovations, but the reason its so important is how it set the standard for console fps games. Before halo, console fps games were uncommon, mostly arena shooters, had massively inconsistent controls, and were often imperfect ports of PC titles.\n\n\nAs a result, Halo is unquestionably the father of the modern shooter. You wouldnt have Call of Duty as it is today without it.\n\n\n\nIts ok if you dont like Halo, but dismissing it as generic is just objectively incorrect.", "bro, playstation 2 came out same year with fps shooters and same dual joystick. nothing balo did eith controls was revolutionary, all been done before. balo did put in autoaim and vehicles z not the other stuff ur erong about", "Nice!", "Let me reiterate. Its not about what things halo \"invented\" its about how it \"assembled\" them.\n\nPS2's launch proves my point actually.\n\nThere were 3 fps games released for PS2 in 2001.\n\n\n007: The world is not enough.\n\n-Halflife\n\n-Return to Castle Wolfenstein \n\n\nA \"sequel\" to golden eye, and two pc ports thats had identical controls.\n\n\nHalo moved melee and grenade attacks to their own buttons, added aim asist, and was the first massively successful game to have dual stick aiming, and thats just controls.\n\n\nIt was also the first massively successful non licensed fps developed exclusively for a console, and one of the first to have a story of its caliber.\n\n\nYou should go research Halo 1's development and reception. Its super interesting.", "Did I just hear a rofflecopter go by?" ]	176	videos	[Dunkey] Call of Duty 19 : Vanguard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnD54VsRaTU	/r/videos/comments/r8h0p0/norman_bates_and_psychos_depiction_of_the/	[ "This movie was designed to scare you. It didn't intend to do anything else. It used the \"wow I know a guy just like that\" angle to do so.", "Idk, in my experience horror movies almost always have some kind of social commentary.", "The author says Bates, as a victim of abuse earlier in life, is not a villain.\n\nAnd that the true villain is the abuse he incurred, and — I suppose — the perpetrator of that abuse.\n\nI just wonder where the author thinks it leaves us. How do we punish the abuser of the abused, if the one was also once the other? \n\nI think the point of a films like Hitchcokck’s is to probe at these questions and to show that there are no easy answers. \n\nMoreover, I think it’s silly to critique any piece of art such as this, with the critique that it paints one side of humanity in a poor or unfair light. It’s a drama about humanity. It’s not pretending to be anything else. It’s OK for the wrong person to be vilified or glorified. It’s OK for it to bring hard-fought morals into question. I don’t get the bit about Hitchcock being abusive.", "I've seen very few that had any. They simply used what frightens society as the gimmick. That's why this particular movie also included a single female, a lonely motel, a shower scene, a rocking chair, etc." ]	4	videos	Norman Bates and Psycho's Depiction of the Mentally Disturbed
https://youtu.be/n2gZ32TAgtc	/r/videos/comments/r8h25w/irish_schoolboy_with_thick_accent_warns_of/	[ "I was working over there years ago, and had to stop to ask for directions and ended up asking a farmer. It was like I was taking to an alien.", "Translation: It's cold.", "Ruairi McSorley", "Thanks, I tried Google translate and Dulingo but yours was still the best I could come up with. ;)", "You're welcome :)", "\"frostbutt\"", "Froshtbatt", "See what?", "Boy: “Our mother says we had to go anyway and we hadn’t got much of a choice in the matter”\n\nReporter: It’s a cold journey to school this morning.\n\nBoy: ah, god, you wouldn’t be long til you’re frostbit", "He recently had to be rescued after being swept out to sea bless him.", ">mother says we had ~~to go~~ tickle\n\nFTFY", "They didn’t give the poor lad a chance to spit out all the pebbles he had in his mouth…", "For those of you that didn't know, Ruairi recently was saved by a pod of dolphins while out swimming in the sea!\n[Link! ](https://www.irishpost.com/news/swimmer-lost-at-sea-for-hours-surrounded-by-dolphins-was-viral-frostbit-boy-ruairi-mcsorley-218875#:~:text=The%20swimmer%20has%20now%20been,be%20long%20gettin'%20frostbit%22.)\n\nThe man is lucky as hell! 😁", "Kid probably isn't even 18 and has a more adult voice than I do being middle-aged.\n\nEdit: I think its Dylan Moran \"There's a bomb in the biscuit tin.\"", "Yeah, that story definitely wasn't made up.", "The lads an absolute idiot", "I like to think he just bumbles from adventure to adventure. \nLike he's got a scrapbook with pictures of him in a space shuttle surrounded by dogs and parrots and stuff. And one with him tied to a spit by a Congolese cannibal tribe.", "You can tell it wasn’t because of how he was found by the coastguard…", "12 hours in the water? You'd die multiple times in that area.", "Not Irish but I went to West Virginia once (Morgantown) and went to a McDonalads for breakfast. Even though I know their menu and should have been able to guess at what I was being asked, I actually needed a \"translator\" for the order taker. It was bizarre and naïve Canadian me had thought they spoke English in the US so I was taken really aback.", "No I am 100% sure he said 'frostbutt' you can't change my mind.", "The reporter signed off from Derry. If you haven’t seen Derry Girls on Netflix, I highly recommend it. The accent isn’t far off.", "For our viewers from abroad, UTV is Northern Ireland (aka \"Norn Iron\") and that sham is speaking with a totally normal accent for the region, nothing too hard to understand, really.", "Depends where it was. Donegal has world class waves for surfing and the warm Gulf Stream currents make it surprisingly temperate despite the latitude. Most people I know swim with latex suits to resist the temps, so it would easily explain a swimmer surviving for a long time. Also we have a whale shark regularly coming around. Being surrounded by dolphins doesn't sound remotely surprising for the area.", "Ah good old Ruairi McSorley, hes also one of [Ireland's most talented folk singers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQR9kbqw3h8).", "Ah god, won't be long till he's sharkbit", "Sharkbutt", "This is almost unbelievable, 12 hours in the water, with dolphins surrounding him, and he only needed to warm up a bit after.", "That was excellent haha. I enjoy.", "By dolphins!", "He's surprisingly not terrible. But why is he wearing dress shoes to shovel manure?", "He sounds like a 70 year old man.", "I was going to say, that’s not a particularly heavy accent.", "For real. But for most people who've never been to Ireland and think the irish accent is the stuff they hear in movies, I've no doubt this is super confusing.", ">nothing too hard to understand, really.\n\nspeak for yourself, i couldn't understand a word he said", "I lived in Letterkenny and even after thirteen years, I would still have the occasional trouble understanding one of my best mates who was from Buncrana. Any time I left the county was like a fecking adventure. I still remember going to Dublin and being completed confused by the accent :,D\nI miss that damn country something fierce!", "It would make for a decent sitcom. He (as an elderly man) regales his grandkids with these fantastical tales. The viewer gets the full treatment with flashbacks and the like.\n\nAt the end of every episode his grandkids look at each other and say, \"did you get any of that?\" \"Nope\".", "Dunno how it is elsewhere, but up in Ulster it's like the standard uniform for young farmers, really.", "Title: \"Hewayemetchomodda\".", "Oh my sides! Is he gonna do a collab with the Rubber Bandits?", "I live in Scotland and I used to live in Fife. People there had thicker accents than this chap. Also try listening to crochets from the Outer Hebrides it’s almost like their accent is designed to be impenetrable.", "That’s a schoolboy? He looks like a man!", "Nope. Some guy was found in the north sea, one of the roughest seas in the world, after 32 hours.", "\n[How could you not understand someone like this?](https://youtu.be/pit0OkNp7s8)", "Boysadear yekin unnastan him deadon? \n\nGoodness, you can understand him completely ?\n\nCountry accents are brilliant, much more melodic than Belfast (especially west) accents", "It’s less the accent and more the phrasing and syntax. \n\n“Hadn’t got much of a choice in the matter” and “You wouldn’t be long getting frostbit” makes sense when it’s written down but I would never hear or say a phrase like that. My brain just didn’t register those words because it’s unusual syntax.", "Your seem pretty confident for not knowing shit about shit. How does that work exactly?", "Irish Forrest Gump.", "Lieutenant Mc Dan, you aint gaht no legs!", "Jesus, I live in Northern Ireland and there are times when I struggle with the accents. And this is no joke, but there's a different one for every 50 miles or so.\n\nOne can accurately tell what village someone is from based on how they speak.", "Dunning-Kruger effect.", "Interestingly, a large portion of the people who settled the Appalachians were \"Scotch-Irish\" AKA Scottish loyalists who were forced to settle in Northern Ireland (Ulster), then eventually were forced out of the British Isles completely.", "[Confidently Incorrect](https://www.reddit.com/r/confidentlyincorrect/)", "Yeah but that was hundreds of years ago. They’re just inbred muppetfuckers now.", "The walls in the mall are like, totally totally tall!", "Maybe less chance of frostbite if you dress for winter, just sayin.", "On a board, in a wetsuit.", "You're", "Contentious calling northern Irish anything but Northern Irish. That way they can take it however they prefer to.", "Its completely normal in Ireland. Where are you from? How would you say these sentences?", "Then why does the news call him a comedic genius? He just said he had to go to school and was worried about frostbite.", "I was definitely getting some Uncle Colm vibes from the lad.", "Wait is painting sheep a real thing?? I remember a quest in RuneScape way back in the day where you had to paint sheep with something like big paintballs. Good times.", "No you", "Yes. But it was 32 hours and not 12.", "Great! Super happy that’s totally normal in Ireland (actually it’s not)\n\nThe majority of the native English speaking population is, in fact, not Irish! \n\nForgive me for not giving a shit about a small segment of the population within a country of less than 5 million people.", "Is there something wrong? Why are you offended?\nEDIT: Tumbleweed...*" ]	68	videos	Irish schoolboy with thick accent warns of frostbite
https://youtu.be/X7GVklRqHRY	/r/videos/comments/r8h97i/bettercom_ceo_lays_off_15_of_workforce_over_zoom/	[ "aint that some bullshit.", "Dude is terrible at his job. What a clown.", "r/antiwork right here.", "Not really better,,, .com", "A text might have actually been better", "What a joke of a sub. anti work? What's the alternative? Government provides everything for you?", "Ideally robots in a post scarcity world", "fire one million https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h39Ft9cmthQ", "changing their name to smaller.com", "Poor Vishal. I hope he gets through this ok, you know, without crying.", "I like how he spins 1 month of severance and 2 months of health insurance into 3 months of benefits.", "\"The layoffs come as the company received a $750 million cash injection from its biggest backer, Softbank, ahead of its plans to go public through a SPAC merger with Aurora Acquisition Corp., giving it $1 billion in cash on its balance sheet.\" https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/better-com-layoffs", "he tried but I would prefer he didn't try to be sympathetic.\n\nit's cold hard news. we're laying you off because our business is failing. take your severance and look for a job tomorrow.", "Other than the anecdote about crying the last time he did this, which was in bad form, I'm not really sure what people expect this to be like. I'd rather see individual managers speak to the people who are being laid off from their team, but when you're laying off nearly 1000 people in one day it's probably better to do it all at once rather than try to make a hundred managers all schedule meetings to do it, then possibly additional meetings with managers or directors who were also laid off. It ends up being a drawn out process where rumors fly around about who will be let go and it gets ugly. At least this makes it quick.\n\nGetting laid off really sucks, but I don't think that this method of doing it was particularly bad considering the number of people who were laid off.", "Lots of people are slating this dude but what do you expect him to do? If the business cannot survive without the lay offs then the lay offs need to happen.\n\nIf your staff is remote, like many internet based companies are then a zoom call is probably the only personal way to do it.\n\nI really dont know what you expect.", "\"ugh I just hate how this company fired me. sometimes I just don't even want to work there anymore.\"", "i'd expect the CEO to have read a book on empathy and how to give bad news somewhere between \"hmm I want to lead companies\" and having to execute a mass layoff for the 2nd time.", "This is so hard for me...I cried last time! I'll try not to be stronger as you all lose your jobs.", "They expect arbitrary hatred of any major business and they also don't understand the growth model of many startups.", "The second time he's done that in his career? What a terrible CEO. How impersonal of a video. Also, his desk is a mess, you seriously can't clean it up for the video?", "Maybe come up with a better business plan so you don't have to do this at 2 different companies? He should have to have some ownership in this. That's what I really expect.", "Well, I think he said 1 month of regular health insurance, one that you don’t need to do anything, plus two months of COBRA with the company paid for so that does add up to three months of health benefit. The affected don’t technically get three months because the first month is from the announced date to the end of month. For those who don’t know what COBRA is, it allows you to continue to be on the company plan but you pay the FULL premium. In this case, the company agreed to pay the premiums.", "This guy is a bonafide asshole. Not just because of the way he handled this mass firing but because of shit he’s done and said including but not limited to threatening to kill his best friend/ business partner.", "The \"guy doing his job\" just got a 25 million dollar bonus for bringing in 750 mil worth of funding to the company right before these firings. \n\nHe could have taken home a 5 mil bonus and saved 20% of those lost jobs (the company has 10k workers), at least for a year. But he didn't. \n\nHe's a scumbag.", "\"What can he do\"\n\nHe literally just got a 25 mil bonus, what he could do is take some of that bonus and distribute it to employees instead, for example. \n\nThe company also just got 750 mil in funding, which is what he earned the 25 mil bonus for.", "10k employees aint a startup my guy. It's existed for 7 years and is getting ready to go public at a 7 bil valuation.", "Video shows 12/1", "This is exactly right.", "Dude in a sleeveless fleece just made it so you need to find a job.\n\nThise things ooze not giving a shit about people.", "If it's that easy maybe you should start a business with a \"better business plan\" so you can employ thousands of people instead.", "He’s stronger this time.", "It's still not profitable and in the growth phase.", "I cried last time. That was a mistake. This time my goal is to lay you guys off without crying, because this isn't a bad thing, now my company is much more efficient and productive!", "Nono, it's OUR 1% who are the baddies, not us!", "Better is a mortgage lender, right? Anyone know how business went sideways suddenly? Is this because of interest rate signals or something?", "I have news: you don't have to choose between hating his behavior and hating the behavior of the super super rich who enabled him. You can hate them all!", "60% of my team was made redundant over a zoom call last year, I admire that his video is on through this as I thought it was cruel when we were told and the person doing it had theirs off. Such a life changing decision for those affected and not even the balls to show their face.\n\nI appreciate this is also hard to be the bearer of this news, but that’s one reason they’re paid so much so I’ve little sympathy.", "they lost 86 million in q2 and needed to cut costs to stop losing money every quarter.", "What a fuck face. Fuck him, his company and what they stand for.", "Should have used Skype.", "Agreed in the case that a video is better than just a mass email (although an email to everyone fired with an offering of a 1:1 meeting with HR for questions/advice would've worked). Just that the way he delivered it made it worse than the alternative... like yeh dude it must be so hard for you to do this twice.", "Who cares how he fired or layed you off. The company needs to shed 15% and the poorest performers have to go. What would change if he fired you, “face-to-face”? At least he is giving you a month of free $$.", " layoffs are a normal part of business though, what about his behavior here was so bad?", "ah yes, come up with a company structure that will never ever do any restructuring or layoffs, why didn't people think of that already. infinite growth to the moon, baby!", "I guess technically you don't know what the commenter above makes and donates either, maybe they do give all their money to charity for Foxconn workers and sustain themselves with homegrown potatoes? Yet here you are judging.\n\nHyperbole aside, the situation this CEO and his shareholders are in looks bad. It gives off the feeling that this guy doesn't really care about his employees. This wouldn't be big news if it didn't look so bad.\n\nI don't have a definitive answer on how it would look better, but I'd start with not taking (or giving, if you want to frame it to the shareholders) a 25M bonus at the same time that you're laying off 15% of the company.", "People without any real responsibilities have the nerve", "The issue is with laying off nearly a thousand people. You aren't doing people a favor employing them if you derail their lives by firing them due to poor business planning. This is the second time this guy has done mass lay offs.\n\nI have been developing staffing plans, interviewing and hiring people recently. In certain areas I've pushed to get temp contact employees or contact it out to a different company, because we know that the work is temporary or we need to amp up production but it will scale back down. There are better ways to do it than way over hire and do mass layoffs.", "I can. He got a 25,000,000 bonus (and additional funding) just before doing this. So I'd say pitchforks were warranted.\n\nAs a notification method it's not that bad but after getting that as a bonus it's terrible.", "I mean firing people is not his job. He should've left it to the COO or Chief of HR. \n\nHonestly I feel like he decided to man up, do it himself and accept responsibility instead of delegating and it ended up backfiring.", "Good? It’s SUPER GREEN!!", "To me it's the fact the speech wasn't prepared. If you are laying off 15% of your employees you should at least have prepared a better presentation. This looks like it took zero effort and I think that is what people are bringing the pitchforks out for.", "Is this the reddit version of just reading the headlines?", "That’s…what anti-work means dumbass…if you’re anti-work then you don’t want to work. If I made a sub called “antidog” you would assume the sub is against dogs…not that everyone on the sub still owns dogs, but wants to improve them somehow. Not our fault they couldn’t think of a better name for their sub if their only goal is to make work better.\n\nAlso I hopped on there for 5 fuckin seconds and found this meme: https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/qown4a/i_do_miss_the_old_antiwork/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf\n\nSo YES they want to END WORK. Which means unless some fucking fairy flies down from the heavens and starts shitting out gold bars for the masses they want some sort of UBI/government handouts. So you don’t know SHIT dumbass.\n\nLegit the description of the sub: “A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life” sure sounds like they want to work to me!", "everyone laid off via zoom should consider working for a small business. i never corporate but can confirm love working for small business and being treated as a person at all times", "i read in another thread that it is typical for funding rounds to require a certain amount of layoffs and funding be used towards certain things instead of payroll or funding cannot be used to bleed money. don’t know if the truth to it but makes sense. investors aren’t raising $750M for more of the status quo. they want a return and quick.", "Given what it is I think he did pretty well. Direct and to the point without beating around the bush.", "Ah stfu. He was direct and to the point and that’s about as well as these things can go.", "I prefer it. It’s not a fucking soap opera.", "Presumably, this layoff wasn't some big surprise to the CEO. If it was, they're not very good at their job. The bonus wasn't a surprise either. At some point, they must have realized this was happening, and didn't stop or delay it. Bonuses happen, layoffs happen, it's the optics that are the problem here.\n\n>When you own billion dollar companies and only a dozen people in the world are capable enough to work them, as an investor you want the most capable guy. People like to think it's something that anybody can do what they do and they are lucky they got there and that's a laughable belief. Those are people that work at least 90 hours a week and have the weird mix of talents it specific companies require.\n\nOf course it's not anybody, and of course it's not a dozen people. The idea that there is some tiny group of superpeople who are the only on the planet good enough to lead a big company should be taken with a lot of skepticism: how do the shareholders know that each CEO belongs to this group? Do they belong to a separate superpeople group? What is the cutoff for an acceptable bonus, is the company bound to pay whatever the cheapest ask in this group is, no matter the cost? How many bonuses are left unpaid? Bonuses have gone up in recent decades, are the CEOs more capable or has the group become smaller? Bonuses are an important part of C-suite pay, but have started living a life of their own apart from how companies are actually doing.", "So you've decided that the sub is what you say it is because of the title, despite the objective reality. \"I don't care what they say they're about, they use the words anti and work, therefore I will accept no discussion on the topic.\"", "Merry Christmas", "Or you're crediting the wrong people for the growth...", "Fall on his sword.", "Oh look another idiot who believes that work to eat is unavoidable.", "Yes, its definitely Sally turning up 9-5 in HR who caused millions of dollars of growth. /s", "Dude…you have done no research yourself…read the fuckin’ sub header. Read the link I posted. They do want to end work. So the sub’s name is actually accurate.\n\nBut fuck me for assuming words have meaning. My bad…I need to realize it’s 2021 and the word “woman” can apply to someone with a giant swinging dick so obviously we’re past words having meaning.", "> It's bad PR and people are angry at the wealth gap but CEOs get paid in the millions of dollars because there's no one on the world that can do their job for less money. That's a fact.\n\nBull fucking shit.\n\nThere are literally tens, if not hundreds, of people doing this exact same job working in the same fucking management chain for less.", "If instead of taking his bonus he would have met the board and gotten them to reroute even a portion of it to his staffs wages he would have retained them. I would have renegotiated the bonus and enacted performance reviews to fire the weak links and used the rerouted funds pumped into payroll to hire better employees. Better outcome, better growth at the expense of his bonus. That's why there's pitchforks.", "I had a similar experience at the first place I worked. Took me a while to get over it and get my confidence back but I did learn a lot.", "Right, cos the CEO created all that growth alllll by themselves.", "His execution had some cringeworthy elements, but I’m honestly at a loss to understand what people expected him to do. It absolutely sucks that a bunch of people are losing their livelihoods, but did people expect him to drive to their houses or call them individually or something? After the very first call, word would have spread like wildfire and it would have been a train wreck.\n\nAt least he didn’t text them: UR frd LOL", "That's the spirit 🔥", "New deals, partnerships, acquisitions and more.\nLargely the CEOs doing, or from their behest.", "“I did this before and cried. I hope to be stronger this time.”\n\nIs so comically tone deaf, an incompetent attempt to feign empathy. He’s trying to say “I’m really sorry, I care about you and understand how this makes you feel, I’m very sorry” but is actually saying “This isn’t good for me either, my life is really hard but I’ll try my best” — so lacking in compassion, so inappropriate. Plus the comments about “luck” implying this was more like Russian Roulette than a decision he drove and owns.\n\nThe right way to do it is to take full responsibility (stop calling it luck) and focus on the feelings of the people whose lives you’re affecting (not your own).\n\nThere’s such a textbook correct way to do what he did incorrectly that he should be fired, for incompetence, especially given his $25M bonus; paying that much, such glaring incompetence should not be tolerated. That’s over $25K per each of the ~thousand people he just fired.\n\nWhen someone earning 1000x peon pay does their core job functions less competently than a layperson, yeah, they deserve to get roasted.", "It's neither. No large scale accomplishment that has ever occurred, ever, is the accomplishment of a single person. If you believe otherwise you're a fool. But I guess you can take solace in knowing you're one of many many fools who've fallen for that line.", "Partnerships, deals and acquisitions of what, friend? Without its labor force a company does not exist.", "I agree, but if you need $750M to survive, then the company has bigger issues than the 15% of their workforce which probably only makes up 3% of their payroll. The company is burning through money and the higher ups, which probably make up 1% of their personnel but 70% of the payroll, are where they should really be cutting.", "I mean, my company started cutting benefits they offered. They blamed COVID and we all understood with the promise it would come back and they would match 100% up to 2k/mo for 6 months to make up for it next year. The CEO bought a new JAG (New new, Ftype) that was in the same realm in cost as our lost 401k. Several other small things were taken away from us. Then one day we had our monthly staff meeting where they serve dinner, full bar drinks and everything. Waited until people were half drunk and then announced....the company has been sold, our healthcare will no longer be paid for, none of our job titles and positions carry over, we will be given new roles based on a 500 question test that is effectively a personality test just like the ones on facebook and we would need to sign an NDA about these benefits our pay, and sign a non-compete for 2 years.", "Do you want a PowerPoint saying you’re fired or what", "Please be nice.\n\nIm not saying entirely the CEO. But lets say the CEO has an idea. Tomorrow ill buy company A. Company A will let us break in to a specific market and it will mean our product has X new features.\n\nI do realise that finance, legal, etc etc are all involved. But companies dont sail in any random direction. The CEO determines what they focus on, where they take their products, etc.\n\nHence why CEOs are paid so much.", "🤦", "It’s not about never doing them, holy shit. But this dude has done it twice at mass scale. That isn’t common. Y’all just sucking big businesses dick.", "All about him and his feelings", "I highly doubt you carefully researched the business plan and hiring practices of better.com before passing judgement.", "Poppycock. Utter bullshit and you're eating it up nom nom nom nom nom. Companies are run by comittee in all but name. Consistently successful ones anyway. (Well except for the ones that are actually openly run by committee) Ideas are floated and researched. Huge amounts of man hours are put into considering direction before any triggers are pulled. CEOs do what they're advised to do and take credit for pulling that trigger. They claim they'll also take credit should things go wrong, but again that's bullshit. They'll have already made their pile by that point and may even be paid a huge sum on their way out. Meanwhile Joe, Bob, and Debbie are out on their asses with no credit and no help because the company is failing.\n\nAnd no, I won't be nice. I'm sick of this shit and I'm sick of people like you perpetuating it.", "> Which is why a CEO that is working is worth millions to investors and the same for the competition.\n\nThey lost >$80M last quarter. He's working so well.", "You for sure haven’t. Just blindly dick sucking", "This would be very rare, certainly not the norm. Companies typically indicate what they intend to spend the money raised for but I’ve never heard of it being binding contractually. VC’s are not in the business of controlling exactly what their portfolio companies do, as a general rule. That’s somewhat of the point. And I’ve never, ever heard of something where a new funding round comes with a certain amount of layoffs unless it’s a major down round which this was not.", "He should get props for doing it himself rather that delegating the responsibility.\n\nIt's never going to be perfect coming over a ring call of course, but I'd say how he did is better than most would.", "I have never seen that in an exit interview.", "OK I've posted this further down but I'll reiterate. Taking a fat bonus and laying people off is the corporate structure taking advantage of said structure. He could have met the board and reduced or completely declined his bonus. They of course need to lean the workforce and the reason to do so was solid BUT, he could have retained good employees and rehired those positions with the money retained by him renegotiating his bonus. Now he's just cut down company cost at the expense of his bonus and they'll run the company lean for as long as possible to decrease operational costs. If he had renegotiated there wouldn't have been a reason to run the company lean on manpower. This leads to the bulk of the companies workforce dealing with more stress. This isn't healthy. His bonus directly effects this.\nThat's why there's pitchforks people.\nJesus.", ">probably better to do it all at once rather than try to make a hundred managers all schedule meetings to do it\n\nAnd you would be wrong. All sorts of large companies do these layoffs yearly. In fact, that's part of a manager's job. This guy was all sorts of unprofessional. Until you've been laid off from a real job (that usually requires severance), and you will understand how wrong this is.", "This is how you create a workforce that has zero loyalty to their employer.", "So it's better to assume the worst of people. Got it.", "Supposedly the CEO used employee performance analytics to pick who to fire and/or invite into the Zoom call. \n\nhttps://fortune.com/2021/12/03/better-com-ceo-attacks-laid-off-employees-blind-message-board/", "I think people should be judged by their actions", "~~That's Slack, not Zoom.~~\n\nEDIT my bad, it's actually Zoom.", "Before the pandemic this would happen in big conference rooms or the cafeteria, I don't see a difference (other than the person who needs to bring the news feeling safer doing it over zoom than in person and potentially getting in a physical fight).", "I agree with you that a cut like this should not be just skimming off across your workforce. This should be strategic. It's like saying \"These products that we offer are not meeting the market (investors) goals.\" So it's not just 15% in every team. It's strategic vertical 15 % of the company. Or at least a wiser split. Otherwise you're just filtering and not making a real change. It's like a promise- we delivered that much with so many hands on deck. We'll deliver more with less hands. I'm sure some will buy that, but I'd certainly not.\nIf that's the case then I'd be happy to be out anyway.", "worser.com", "Honestly, compare this to somewhere like WWE, a multibillion dollar company that has announced record profits nearly every quarter in the past two years, made actual jokes about firing people in their shareholders call - then two days later released a bunch of performers citing \"budget cuts\".\n\nAnd there have been multiple people released that found out through Twitter that they were no longer with WWE.\n\nAnd they've done that at least 5 times since the pandemic started. But it's wrestling so no one cares how awful the company is.\n\nThis is humane compared to that.", "you believe what he is saying about not being able to support these workers? He did this just before his company went public. The day before, his company recieved a $1.5 billion captial infusion.", "Youre the reason they gotta put \"coffee hot\" on the cup you total mush-brain", "Not agreeing or disagreeing with you but how do you know how complex it is to work as a CEO? \n\nI mean one could assume and imagine but there are plenty of people who get paid millions of dollars for not actually doing a whole lot. Kylie Jenner for some reason being the first person who pops in my head.\n\nAnd she obviously has brand and name recognition, but what's to say a CEO doesn't have the same and it's actually other people doing the work for them?\n\nAgain not agreeing or disagreeing but for the sake of argument, it's impossible to tell what someone's actual involvement is based on the outcome because some people just get lucky and/or a lot of help right?", "Oh fuck off with the no one else could do the job for less money. That's complete fucking bullshit and you know it. They make more money today, with a higher % of the profits, than ever and you're trying to tell me they couldn't do it for less? Right. That makes sense. They should make more than other employees, but are they losing 15% of their salary for putting the company in a position to have to fire 15% of its employees? \n\nIn the end they created more jobs? Cool. How many of those jobs were outsourced overseas for slave wages? Saying in the end they created more jobs means fuck all when those jobs pay a fraction of what the 15% that were laid off makes. Sure, it makes the company and CEO more money and allows them to say \"hey we're not so bad, look we created even more jobs!\", but thats about it. I currently work for a company thats pulling this same bullshit so I'm interested how you justify this. I'm aware that company's have a fiduciary responsibility to their shareholders to increase profits so don't waste your breath if that's all you're going to say.", "Well, I’ve been part off a mass lay-off and this skips the hassle for a lot of people in management. It might be part of the job but that doesn’t mean it’s a fun experience for anyone.\n\nI really had to do with my manager that day as he has the most junior team and had to lay off 16 people in a single day.\n\nDidn’t make it any more enjoyable for me either.", "Good retort..", "I agree with this sentiment. It’s wasn’t a strong performance but at least it was honest and efficient.", "No but I don't want some cunt with a 25mil bonus telling me how hard this is for him. All of those jobs that were cut will eventually be outsourced overseas for slave wages, but hey as long as some cunt tells me he cried last time he had to do this I should feel better about it, right? Also, why is the CEO getting a bonus after laying off 15% of it's employees? I know he just secured 750mil in funding, but why is he getting a bonus for putting the company in the position to need that funding? His bad decisions are ultimately why the employees were laid off, but he gets a bonus? How fucked up is that?", "At my old job, my boss had to break the news to us that we were getting 5% salary reduction due to the pandemic. He assured us that he had trouble sleeping the couple nights before the decision was final. \n\nI believe him, too. Poor guy was so upset about it that the only way he could make himself feel better was by buying a new car a month later.", "Nobody owes you a job.", "[Better.com](https://Better.com) has been swirling the drain because of that guy. not really surprised that incompetent management makes an incompetent decision", "this was posted in another sub with the added title: after receiving 750.000.000\n\ndidnt read it so no idea what it's about but does add context", "then at least prepare your text with those people...", "I didn't say it was fun? It's just the professional way to do it. I've been involved with many, many firings due to the two person rule and it's terrible but it's also the least the company can do", "A mass layoff isn’t something a reporting manager would ever typically handle. Large companies do not want mass groups of employees finding out they don’t have a job at random/different times. To ask the managers to individually fire 1000 employees would take days. When employee #1 finds out Monday morning, you think it’s BAU until the other 1,000 employees find out by Friday? That would be a horrible way to do this.", "Going public while not profitable....\n\n\nIt's a bold move Cotton.", "It looks like this person took the work call from a laptop in bed. Probably in the “performance” category of the layoffs.", "Interviewed with these guys two years ago, super glad I didnt get that job now.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r86p0g/bettercom_ceos_linkedin_profile_after_laying_off/", "Oh ok so now I gotta go all the way to the FAQ? Reading the header isn’t good enough? Where’s the next clue? Up your mom’s asshole?\n\nNo substandard cognitive abilities here, bitch, I just didn’t sign up to become fuckin Scooby Doo to find this sub’s true intended purpose.\n\nSo you name yourself /r/antiwork and your logo is literally a dude laying down, but then you’re not anti work you’re just anticapitalism? So, again, the name of the sub sucks and is misleading.", "Exactly lol. Or like the top comment said, having all managers/team leaders doing that individually would be extremely difficult and time consuming when you are laying off nearly 1k people probably… It wasn‘t the best execution from him but it was ok for this level of laying off so many people at once. This whole thread is just „big company leaders bad“ pretty much…", "This is the best way it could have been done honestly. There's no easy way to tell so many people you have to let them go", "HR does the exit interview.", "Question: Why is a mortgage broker doing so bad right now. In my areas houses are selling like hot cakes you can sell your house here in like a week.", "Huge difference. That CEO is not going to hear all the complaints, he has left it to HR. He won't hear them all call him vulgar words. He would have immediately ended the call and gone to lunch or bed or whatever. He doesn't really need to deal with anything.", "If you’re gunna insult someone’s intelligence don’t forget the apostrophe in “you’re” you dumb bitch.", "There is no easy way to handle something like this. I give him props for doing it himself. A lot of CEO's would let HR handle the firings. I've been at my job for close to 5 years and have witnessed firings 3 times. Each time it was the the HR company sending thier people over to do the firing. I should also mention these guys got on a 3hr flight to come to our office for this purpose. It's never a good sign when these guys show up.", "And then? surely everybody heard that, walked out of that pub and filed a massive law suit or some crap. No way people signed that NDA and non compete unless they desperately needed the money etc.", "Dont think it matters.", "Pretty common though, I think Rivian just did it as well.", "All these comments and nobody's made a Worse.com dig yet. Impressive, reddit.", "You've embarrassed yourself, the facts have been laid bare and you have been proven wrong beyond all possible doubt. Yet you double down. Absolutely stunning levels of stupidity.\n\nMind blowing stuff. \"Oh so now im supposed to research the things I said I researched and said you were all wrong about because I'd already researched it and found you to be wrong, what do I look like scoody fucking research doo?\"\n\nIt would not be an overreaction for you to literally go to the hospital if you actually believe what you've said in the above comment, if you believe what you're saying, you're quite literally malfunctioning. You've severed completely from reality, if you think you haven't made a fool of yourself you could think literally anything. Knives are blunt, fire is cold, cars are slow and soft. \n\nYou are either knowingly just saying whatever nonsense, or you are literally a danger to yourself and those around you.\n\nYou've no business even weighing in here, you're nigh on unemployable.", "Deliveroo did the same here in the UK earlier this year.", "It looks like they're planning on going public via SPAC and SoftBank invested an additional $750 million.\n\nProbably what happened was that in exchange for the additional money and to make Better.com look more attractive to investors, they had to lay off a bunch of people so it doesn't look like they're going to be bleeding all that money.", "Why is it “more professional”? \n\nWhat does that even mean?", "No real estate company is surprised by a lagging market come holiday season. This company over-clocked their workforce to maximize profits during the historically lucrative summer boom knowing full well they were going to have to lay off people come winter. The profits they made far exceed the benefits they are paying out to the people they just fired.", "Do would email be better for you losers?", "Yeah, same with me. I don't think people understand what a hit to your confidence it is being laid off or let go.\n\nEventually, I found a bigger, better employer who pays me a lot more than I could have hoped for and actually cares about my work/life balance.", "Going to", "This is such a stupid comment. There are CEOs who have taken their life because the company went bankrupt. The burden to be financially responsible for 1000s of employees is a HUGE one. Who are you to claim that he genuinely struggled with this decision?", "They received a bunch of cash from their investors and are planning on going public. They probably made a deal to lay off part of their workforce to make the company appear more profitable.", "Lol and yet it's called anti work. This is the worst branding since defund the police.", "99% of the time the CEO wouldn't even be in the room at mst companies.\n\n1-3 representatives from HR, or the consultants who designed the layoff program giving the presentation is much more common.", "My SIL works in HR and there's been points where layoffs have been so substantial that she had to start doing them in groups. Extremely awkward for everyone involved.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukadSfbQ\\_yg", "Maybe they need different leadership", "A huge software company in my area laid off half of their workforce over zoom. About 150-200 developers all at once.", "Private company right? Thought Private companies can do what they want?", "Name and shame so we can stay the hell away from them.", "Surely there had to be a better way to do this.", "A friend of mine learned that they were doing a layoff at Tesla and he had to layoff a couple hundred people. He died right there in the conference room from a heart attack. Layoff still happened.", "Not necessarily. I am by no means an expert but I did work for a large retail financing company and we had to have enough cash injection to basically cover a certain percentage of the money that we loaned out. These guys are mortgage lenders which means each loan on their balance sheet is significantly larger than your average loan. I don't think a $750MM cash injection is out of the ordinary for a mortgage lender.", "Never said you couldn’t use slang, this isn’t an English essay, but of course a dumb cunt like yourself isn’t going to make that distinction.", "Yeah but there's a whole bunch of pissed off redditors so he must have done something wrong. They'll find it. Oh wait, it was his words and that he did it on a zoom call during a pandemic with a bunch of remote workers. He said he did it once before. He used some filler words that perfect redditors were able to twist the context to make him an asshole. Mission accomplished as usual.", "Same but 10% for us. The only way ours feel better was to buy a new house next to Disney so he could work remotely and then go to Disney when he wants to", "It was totally unnecessary for the CEO to even make the commentary and even inappropriate. This comment is not stupid the CEO did stupid things.", "God following those threads the last 2 years have been sad and bullshit. Hit Row get called up to SmackDown and sign new contracts then released and now have 90 day clause instead of 30.\n\nWhats worse aswell is they've released more people in the last 2 years than between 14-19 in total.", "When you sell a house, you have to buy another expensive house immediately after or you're homeless. There isn't a way to take advantage of the market and sell unless you downsize or move to the woods, so home prices skyrocketing doesn't change much for their business in terms of customer base. I'm assuming these companies were making the most off refinances, and now that everyone has refinanced/rates are going back up, they're out of runway.", "It's unfortunate that this had to happen - sometimes it's necessary to ensure the rest of the company doesn't lose employment, too.\n\nI will say that if this CEO plans corporate strategy as poorly as he planned his speech, I understand why the business isn't thriving. It wasn't going to be a good message, but he could've spent 30 seconds on some numbers and justification. Hopefully he spent 30 minutes on that when he broke the news to the \"lucky ones\".", "This is some hooli shit", "Of course I want legislation for higher taxes and policies like revenue sharing, that should be obvious. \n\n>Are you a libertarian? Do you expect millionaires to give you money out of their heart. Also those people in Slave wages. They want the job. Shouldn't you give it to them since you are a thousand times wealthier?\n\nNo, I actually know what empathy is. No, I don't expect a handout from anyone. No, companies shouldn't be allowed to take advantage of poor countries. \"But they're giving them a job, and they want the job!\" Great, so that makes it okay to pay them pennies on the dollar for what that job is worth and the sweat shop worker should be grateful that they can't afford the product they're making? That sounds reasonable.\n\n>I said that people couldn't do it for less. I should've said they won't do it for less. I thought you understood how the market works. Like every human thry has a job they work for their best option in a balance of work and life. \n\nThey'll do the job for whatever the market is willing to pay, duh. That doesn't make it any less morally objectionable for someone making 25mil in a bonus to ship jobs overseas to justify said bonus. I guess those slave laborers in third world countries have a great balance of work and life, huh?\n\n>You put numbers in % as if that gave any weight to your argument on how wages are paid. It's absurd and not very smart on your part. That's not how salary works in America. You are paid even if the company loses money right? And you are paid more than minimum wage I suppose right? So where did you get the idea that someone should pay you when you are not needed \n\nIm an American smart-ass, I know how wages work in this country and I'm telling you its not right and using a % to illustrate why, the insane wealth gap. Ny the way you are needed if the company is outsourcing the same job to other countries to reduce costs, meanwhile those same companies are making record profits but are still reducing costs at the expense of both the fired employee and the new employee getting paid a fraction of what the old was making. You're okay with that?\n\n>If you said, there should be legislation for a bigger safety net, higher taxes and policies like revenue sharing for employees I'd be on board.\n\nI could write a 10 page report that includes higher taxes, revenue sharing, etc. but I figured that should be implied and obvious that I would want these things. And I don't have all the answers or know enough, neither do you, to definitively say how things should be. But I am allowed to criticize the ridiculousness of the situation and the incredibly shitty business practices/wealth inequality of these companies and CEO's.\n\n>Demonizing people for being successful? Only an idiot.\n\nSo you don't demonize unethical profit driven decisions that increase the wealth gap in your country? Only an idiot.", "And going into Christmas no less. Like, he couldn't have waited one more month? \"You're terminated effective immediately. Merry Christmas!\"", "Jesus Christ what is wrong with you?\n\nParis Hilton is a fucking heiress with contacts, money, network, credit, labor, locations and access from her birth. She's not self made.\n\nKylie is that but worse.\n\nYou have brain worms.", "just wondering what rules youre choosing to apply :\\^)", "It is. Have been through it. Doesn't matter on reddit though. It's all kids here who have no idea how the world works. They just think they do and they think it should all go exactly how they want.", "I'm honestly surprised bigger backlashes never occur from terrible events like this. The rich are quite literally eating the poor at this point.\n\nedit; uh oh... i hurt rich people's feelings.", "\"Ya man you should quit. That would show em.\"", "My point is at a glance it can be very easy to think the sub is straight-up antiwork. That, imo, is a failing of the sub itself. The true intended purpose of your sub should be easy to grasp with little research required.\n\nI’m not doubling down on anything. The fact that you think I’m somehow doubling down shows how fuckin’ stupid you are. Explain exactly what I’m doubling down on? I didn’t say “NO THEY ARE AGAINST WORK PERIOD”…that would be doubling down. I said it’s dumb that you need to go all the way to the FAQ to really glean that the sub isn’t exactly antiwork.\n\nI’m also sure that many active members of the sub probably are literally anti-work no matter what it says in the FAQ. There are plenty of people out there that would love to sit around all day and collect a government check for merely existing. AOC’s original draft of her green new deal did say there should be money given to those “unable or unwilling to work” so it’s not like it’s a niche idea.", "Poor CEO only doing his job while cashing in millions.", "do you have link to source", "\"Not great news\" \"challenging decision\" \"The market has moved\". All ridiculous and idiotic office jargon. I honestly cant believe people who talk like this.", "\"Do would\"?", "What an absolute rube you are.\n\nThat, or some cunt CEO trying to justify his own misery-causing existence and soulless decision making.", "Imagine thinking people deserve credit for their \"behest\"", "I don't imagine a company, especially one in financial trouble, wants to spend a couple of million just to wait until after Christmas before laying them off.", "Doc the CEO 15% bonuses to save ppls jobs. \n\nHe cried so he’s fine. What a guy.", "No problems generally from my side, I just wish I didn’t have to stare at his bulging crotch during the announcement of my termination.", "Shut beak, eh? Do you think I’m a bird or something? Sorry bud, but birds can’t make Reddit comments. I think you need to take your own advice and check into the nearest mental asylum asap. \n\ngET tO tHe hOSPitAL NoW", "Yeah. There is a pandemic going on and you aren't getting your pink slip in person.", "Its fine everyone is hiring. I hear you get 30% off your lunch if you work at mcdonalds.", "Hearing stuff like this makes me feel lucky that my employer is less actively trying to screw me over.", "I am also curious, but the fact that they just halved a 400 person company I doubt I’ve even heard of them. There’s such a shortage of labor especially in software that I’m hoping the former employees find better work easily.", "You say this confidently like CEOs are actually worth 100+ times as much as their next highest compensated employees outside the exec, and that's simply not the case.\n\nThey've just been given too much influence over their own compensation, and they've used it to inflate their value while diminishing others.", "It's a huge burden which includes taking a lot of criticism, like the comment above.", "This is why the guillotines are reserved for CEOs first.", "I’m a trader and an investor. For the past year I’ve been calling the price action we’ve been seeing as the biggest everything bubble of all time. (Check out my post history) Well, that bubble is currently popping IMO.\n\nReal estate is a sector I’ve been monitoring because when that drops we will be in the end stage of the bubble. Zillow shuttered their house flipping unit a few weeks back, now another real estate firm is slimming down their operations. It may be a coincidence but house prices have also started to slowly roll over…\n\nI believe that the market crash began several months ago, it happens in stages, and now we will watch sectors fall one right after the other. \n\nHigh growth names have crashed, SPACs crashed, reflation names are falling, small caps are falling, tech is falling, real estate is weakening, crypto just crashed, yields crashed… Unless we get positive developments soon, the top has been reached. \n\nIf I’m right, this is just the beginning. Watch megacap companies in the following couple of weeks or months, when they crack in half we will fall into a recession and we’ll see more layoffs like this soon thereafter. My finger is pointed squarely at The Federal Reserve, as it has been all year for pumping too much money into the economy. I hope I’m wrong but my conviction in my call continues to strengthen.", "The original complaints people had about this was the fact better [just secured almost a billion in funding](https://www.housingwire.com/articles/better-com-lays-off-los-secures-750m-cash-injection/), showing their business is growing. Conveniently left off this repost but I'll keep my tin foil hat close by rather than on.\n\nThe zoom point I'm with you. If they forced an in person event there'd be reddit posts complaining better.com risked people's health in a pandemic just to tell them they've been laid off.\n\nEdit: corrected article link so below comment is now inaccurate.", "This guy is a clown CEO of a startup with an oversized ego, I fucking guarantee it.", "Holy fuck lol what an insufferable and delusional prick, this guy is like the ultimate subject for r/iamverysmart", "The only rule is never get between your mom and a box of doughnuts.", "Lol it's about a bunch of teenagers posting made up stories or faked text messages showing how they're standing up against their cartoonishly tyrannical boss.", "Wait till after Christmas?", "you big mad", "Dont forget security", "For a minute I thought Better.com was the same as Betterhelp.com, the website that helps people find a therapist for mental problems. I keep hearing ads for them on youtube.", "Mortgage company execs tend to be trigger-happy when it comes to layoffs around rates rising.", "Not really.", "I think the big issue here is that he didn't have to let them go. The company doesn't have a cash flow problem. This is one of those situations where the CEO cuts payroll costs to boost earnings. This is coming just prior to their IPO. It'll look better on paper, lead to future problems, and the CEO will get a big bonus for allowing the board members to cash out their stock at an inflated price.", "You're right, this isn't substantially different than any other round of layoffs. The difference is that a Zoom call can more easily be recorded and posted online so other people can see it.", "It's not our fault you didn't take the five minutes to actually read what the subreddit is about and just made wild assumptions based on what amounts to a single word.", "2003 called it wants “you mad bro?” back", "Why are you so triggered?", "That article is from more than a year ago and was for $200million. They lost $100 million last quarter alone.", "And getting a month of severance pay and 3 months benefits. Could’ve been way worse.", "MAdE an AsSUMptiOn BASED ON a sINglE wORD\n\nBITCH…it’s the TITLE of the sub, and the description literally says “work-free life”…like how am I supposed to not assume they don’t want to work? Fuck off.", "So your alternative would be to have all these remote workers travel into a conference center so that they can have the privilege of being terminated in person?\nI can see that you think that these decisions need to be weighed heavily based on the significant impact they have on individuals, but to me the inconvenience of having to travel just so I can be told I don’t work there anymore is more of a middle finger from the company.", "Greed is a powerful thing. Fuck him, hope he gets his. :)", "The skill sets and value added of the executives are a large part of why they got the $750M though, firing them literally makes zero sense.", "Exactly this! They just want to tighten up their balance sheet before going public. It's common for it to happen at this stage.", "Shit like this is why I don't like working for big companies. If you work for a small company being laid off or fired usually has to do with your performance, in my industry any way. If you work for a big company you can be laid off because people in offices in another state are fucking up.", "Don't worry they're not hiring.", "You are that fat that needs to be trimmed. Good Luck!", "If the company isnt going under i cant approve of such actions by the company.\n\nThats how many folks lives he just personally chose to ruin? And we should feel empathetic to the ceo...?\n\nPass. This is why if starting a company, bootstrap, dont go to investors.\n\nIf you cant scale up without them its out of the cards.", "Look at his account, he has a sad life full of porn and pokemon cards.", "Standard operating procedure for any Corp. but this dude is a piece of shit for many other reasons - https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire", "It’s because they were going public and because companies like this burn cash as a business model (in the name of growth) when relying on VC money, they needed to purge staff to help clean up their income statement for the public markets. \n\nWhile anyone working in high growth tech should realize there’s an assumed risk of layoffs due to the risky nature of the business model, it is hard to fathom someone becoming wealthier by the minute as he speaks while taking away the livelihood of people who contributed to the growth of the company that got him to this point.", "I'd have fired him too, for recording a widescreen monitor in portrait mode.", "I would have picked a better camera angle at least.", "You're legit comparing a mixed race child of slave who invented a literary genre (JV) and a jewish immigrant who wrote over 500 books to Paris Hilton and Kylie Jenner, two children of unimaginable privilege who exploit said privilege to...sell make up?\n\nParis's major contribution to Western Civ is \"rich white girl leaks sex tape for pop culture cache\" and you only know about Kylie because her sister did the exact same thing. \n\nIf you're a troll then you're a genius, possibly even the CEO of Trolling, if not, go through puberty.", "This is Apple maps bad.", "This is why im a fan of bootstrapping and earning the money.", "Yeah, what I'm otherwise reading about the man is pretty bad (he just took a bonus before this), but the method itself? Nah, no issues, and I'm first in line to eat the rich. There's just no good way to fire someone, and your right, doing it with individual managers would be an absolute nightmare.", "Unsure why such a big deal over this zoom thing. It was a lot of people getting sacked and zoom actually makes sense for something like that. If you were a shitty worker, you don't deserve a face to face meeting. If you were a good worker, it doesn't matter how they fired you cause they don't deserve you and you will never work for those idiots again anyway.", "You're right. It was the wrong article. [Corrected the original link.](https://www.housingwire.com/articles/better-com-lays-off-los-secures-750m-cash-injection/)", "Note: I have been laid off myself and been through this.\n\nHey, so I'm deeply empathetic and sympathetic to the people this happened to, but why do people think this was handled so poorly? Zoom(or whatever) calls are extremely common right now with Covid. My questions would be:\n\n- Is this a small company? If so, dude is a jerk for not coming to each person individually\n- Is the company struggling? If so, that is how things are decided\n\nAgain, I have been laid off and it blows. I received no severance or insurance extension, though unlike these folks....I knew about 2 months before the end of my employment.\n\nI am 100% not defending the company if they put themselves in this position, but he does not seem like the stereotypical jerk we picture CEO/management being.", "Yeah like your life of…what exactly? Sorry you’re so boring I can’t even find anything to criticize on your profile.", "> I can't imagine people having the nerve to judge a person morality and character over a 3 minute video of a person doing his job.\n\nNo one show this guy footage of SS guards lmao.", "So what? If you don't like to be fired for such reasons then make sure you're performing better than others or be your own boss and start your own business.", "It makes me feel lucky I live in a country with decent labour laws. My company did salary reductions everywhere in the world they could (large tech company), even the US, but where I'm at that's just not something they could do. \n\nThey did offer us the possibility to buy more vacation days, as basically a way to still do it, but they had to be very careful and make it 100% voluntary to avoid being accused of forcing us into this.", "God theres just something souless about working in a corporate structure. Just the idea of an HR department perturbs me.", "But isn't that just business? Why pay people when you don't have to? He's not running a business out of charity. It sounds harsh but that's the situation for anyone who relies on an employer for their income.", "The problem is young people on Reddit think they have the same skill set and value as these executives because their only experience is having dumb supervisors at their first job.", "So what? He fired the bottom 15% good riddance.", "For those 15% of low tier employees yeah technically lol", "Good response, bud. Honestly it's been fun messing with you but seriously you gotta take a look in the mirror and think if this is what you want to be doing.", "Morons like you would have said \"It's all kids here who have no idea how the world works\"* when workers demanded weekends, or the abolition of child labour.\n\nSometimes the \"way the world works\" fucking sucks and should be changed.", "I got made redundant by my employer 5 years ago. We got invited to a hired meeting space, locked in the room with all of our equipment and not allowed to leave until we turned the equipment over and signed a termination agreement where we promised not to pursue the company.\n\nIt sucked, but I got paid-off with enough to last me three months and that was time for de-stressing, spending some time with friends and family, and then time to find another employer.\n\nBeing laid-off without warning really blows when it happens - and there can be legitimate reasons why a business has to do it. In some nations, the employer must exhaust all other avenues, including re-assignment, transfers, as well as being permitted to apply for other roles within the business that may be a fit before they're allowed to go down the nuclear route of redundancies.\n\nThe difference between facing the COO in person (which I was at least given the courtesy of) and getting a faceless email from HR is that at least when you're face to face, you can sometimes tell if the executioner shows any remorse.", "And replacing them is not only harder, but necessary. Those lower workers likely won't be replaced.", "unfortunately you're entering a market where you have no chance against the competition that does it. the moat successful businesses today wouldn't be possible without venture capital", "We absolutely should boycott struggling companies. That'll teach them not to aim so high.", "To be fair though bringing in 750 mil is huge.", "Why name and shame? Revenue has to be more than expenses or they employ zero people. Running a business is hard, if you disagree start one up and pay huge wages. If it’s so easy to do then go do it.", "https://www.protocol.com/bulletins/better-com-layoffs\n\nThis one says softbank just gave the company 750 million and they have 1 billion in cash reserves. \n\nBetter about to go public via a SPAC so those employees salary and benefits are going to be converted to profits for investors like softbank and aurora acquisition Corp. \n\nThe Ceo is also now going after the former employees claiming they only worked 2 hours a day, etc.", "Commenting before mods remove this for \"politics\".", "Who gives a shit what they want? You should be calling for regulation that restricts companies from fucking over 1000s of people to save money, not just accepting that shitty status quo. Plenty of countries make it much harder for companies to do this to their workers without warning.\n\nCEOs etc. will constantly tell workers that the reason they earn 1000x the amount everyone else does is because they're taking on \"risk\", except that risk is *always* passed on to the workers and never impacts the CEO himself.", "What is “this”?…getting into comment fights on Reddit? You are literally doing the exact same thing you hypocrite 😂", "Some context:\n\nAccording to the CEO, these were targeted layoffs based on productivity. They had been monitoring the performance and efficiency of the workforce working remotely. Examples of behavior that fed into who got laid off included missed meetings, missed phone calls, and charging the company for more work than was actually performed (i.e. saying you worked eight hours when you were only on your computer for two). If you combine those behaviors with a $100 million loss last quarter, the CEO's behavior makes a little more sense.\n\nhttps://fortune.com/2021/12/03/better-com-ceo-attacks-laid-off-employees-blind-message-board/", "Agree with you on that one. It sucks to be laid off, but factually I would rather be told by message and not bother showing up if I don't have to. Sure, on the spot, I might rant and say \"they could have done this and that...\" but it is purely an emotional response (that isn't rational).", "> sleeveless fleece\n\nYou mean a vest?", "And this is exactly why I tell people to shop for a new job every 1,5 to 2 years. Loyalty doesn't pay. The company you work for will throw you under the bus just so that investors make a little bit more money. You can be replaced within a few weeks, and they'll have forgotten about you in a month or two.\n\nDon't be loyal to companies.", "The bootlicking in this thread is insane.", "Huh?", "It's the act of laying off employees unnecessary right before Christmas to maximize profits for investors when the company goes public via a SPAC. \n\nhttps://www.protocol.com/bulletins/better-com-layoffs\n\nSoftbank just gave the company 750 million and they have 1 billion in cash reserves. \n\nBetter is about to go public via a SPAC so those employees salary and benefits are going to be converted to profits for investors like softbank and aurora acquisition Corp. \n\nThe Ceo is also now going after the former employees claiming they only worked 2 hours a day, etc.", "What!", "Go eat your sprinkles and play starcraft, you miserable edgelord. These were real people.", "\"the FUCK bro\" hits vape", "> People are so quick to bandwagon with \"CEO BAD!!\" \n\nYes. People do quickly decide that it's bad to lay off hundreds/thousands of people when you're taking a 25 million bonus.\n\nHoly shit stop licking boots dude. This is the same pathetic argument that Trump supporters used to deflect. Maybe if \"CEO bad\" is such a frequent sentiment there's an actual reason for it? Have you considered that?\n\n>He made the zoom speech and took the responsibility when he could've easily delegated it down an endless chain of managers to make himself not seem like the bad guy.\n\nHow incredibly stupid do you think workers are?\n\nThey aren't braindead little drones to do your bidding, they can easily see where these decisions come from. Give them some credit.", "I think it’s the timing that’s getting people riled up. “Hey, we’re firing a bunch of you three weeks before christmas”.", "You were right. Lmao.", "Not firing the employees unnecessarily right before Christmas. The no notice element if this is particularly shitty. Apparently the employees work computers shut off immediately after the call ended. \n\nhttps://www.protocol.com/bulletins/better-com-layoffs\n\nSoftbank just gave the company 750 million and they have 1 billion in cash reserves. \n\nBetter is about to go public via a SPAC so those employees salary and benefits are going to be converted to profits for investors like softbank and aurora acquisition Corp. \n\nThe Ceo is also now going after the former employees claiming they only worked 2 hours a day, etc.", "You and I both know it is not that simple. I have worked in highly cyclical industries where mass layoffs and rehires are the norm. Would rather not get caught up in that again is all.", "Well, not going into debt so far ^^. Im loving this strategy. So much less stress.", ">ended the call and gone to lunch or bed or whatever. He doesn't really need to deal with anything.\n\nDidn't you hear, the last time he did this he cried; hopefully this time he's stronger this time though.", "What a beautifully naive viewpoint on starting a business and keeping a business funded you have.", "Okay? Doesn't excuse making people jobless.", "> If the business cannot survive without the lay offs then the lay offs need to happen.\n\nMaybe we don't buy this bullshit line.\n\nThe business can easily survive, it just won't exponentially grow.\n\n>I really dont know what you expect.\n\nI expect workers to have rights. Pretty simple really.", "My company made everyone come in to announce that our plant was closing at the end of the year and then were sent home. I would rather have done it over video chat lol", "Not firing the employees unnecessarily right before Christmas. The no notice element if this is particularly shitty. Apparently the employees work computers shut off immediately after the call ended. \n\nhttps://www.protocol.com/bulletins/better-com-layoffs\n\nSoftbank just gave the company 750 million and they have 1 billion in cash reserves. \n\nBetter is about to go public via a SPAC so those employees salary and benefits are going to be converted to profits for investors like softbank and aurora acquisition Corp. \n\nThe Ceo is also now going after the former employees claiming they only worked 2 hours a day, etc.", "Between that and a zoom call that can be ended at the push of a button where the CEO doesn't have to hear any of the complaints and can just literally flush and never hear from that 15% of the people getting laid off ever again just so he can live with himself... and not \"cry\"\n\nI dunno which one is \"better\"... but I know that CEO gets to go back to his 12 bedroom beach house and tell his wife he had a hard day and needs to go yacht shopping to feel better.", "I have learned that the average user on reddit is basically a moron and has no idea how business works.", "They get full severance for 4 weeks, and benefits for 4-12 weeks. That takes them into the new year", "Oh fuck off mate. No one is \"assuming the worst\" about you, they're reacting to your callous and disgusting attitude about worker rights.\n\nStop playing the victim and actually defend your argument.\n\n\"You criticise society yet you participate in it, curious.......\" is pretty much the crux of your argument at this point. It's pathetic.", "If they can reduce expenses and maintain the same level of income then they're not making the business appear more profitable, they are making it more profitable.", "I’ve seen that movie with George Clooney", "Or anything else for that matter.", "> arbitrary hatred of any major business \n\nRefusing to listen to the clear explanations given doesn't make it arbitrary.", "Who is the company?\n\nIt only exist because of the workers labor\n\nOne guy and a couple of investment banks just decided to take the salary and benefits, plus future earning from 15 percent of the company for personal gain. Also no notice right before Christmas.", "Why not? It's like two weeks away and adds to those people's stress and maybe rings the holidays for their kids.", "The purpose of a company is to increase shareholder value and pay the owners profit.", "So they've sacrificed hundreds of employees for growth and you think that's a good thing?\n\nFucking hell people are so detatched from the value of their labour it's pathetic. It's as though you think your time and work has zero value beyond bodies in seats.", "Yeah people not performing well enough. Reddit doesn't like reality. If you decide to work for a wage you are exposing yourself to this risk.", "To further this: I work in finance and sometimes moonlight in mortgage origination. And over the last 15 months, my firm (a very large player in finance) lost a lot of deals to better Because they were pricing at almost free. No origination charges, lower than market interest rates. This move is surprising to no one who works in finance and has watched lending options the last year. A lot of the lenders in the industry, make up for low interest rates by charging origination and potentially points. The reason for these two fees are important is to offset the costs to underwrite. A lot of the money banks make is from the coupon, payments made monthly, so the cost benefit for breaking even can take quite a time to break even initially. And given the lack of fees and points, it extends that time egregiously. I heard they’re operating at about 80m deficit in revenue. Fuck this dude, because any accountant or bean counter could’ve told them this. What they’ll end up doing to generate more income is selling a portion of their book of business to offset costs and make people think they’re more profitable to potential investors.", "Come on man. Doesn’t excuse?", "Sure it does. That's end-stage capitalism for you. The only thing that matters is the bottom line and quarter-to-quarter profits.", "And? It’s business. This isn’t out of the ordinary…especially in these times.", "Yeah, if this is meant to shame that CEO I don’t get it…. If you disagree with the very idea of capitalism then ok but why were you working there if you did? If you don’t disagree with the very idea of capitalism then this is just part of it. The guy didn’t seem like an asshole…. Just doing what he is supposed to do.", "> but I’m honestly at a loss to understand what people expected him to do\n\nResign. Take a financial hit. Take a pay cut. Refuse his 25 million bonus.\n\nLiterally *anything* except lay off hundreds of workers because you're a selfish, greedy person who will not wait.\n\nCEOs wank off about how they deserve their 10,000x higher salary for the \"risk\" they're taking on yet they never actually take the risk. They have a golden parachute even if the company fails while they make hundreds unemployed due to poor planning.", "Honestly I think it'd be better coming from direct managers. Even if it's multiple people. Also if you delegate to direct managers, having 1 on 1 meetings wouldn't take that long. This was like a 3 minute conversation. You could have a lot of conversations in a day.", "Look at the little drug lord prodigy starting up his own shitty little businesses with Daddys money and telling the rest of us how much pay CEOs deserve - fuck you you little shit, I guarantee the day comes when Daddys well runs dry and then when your businesses fail you'll have no more excuses and maybe you'll understand the truth.", "Amazing movie!!!", "Oh no, the worker has fallen in love with the system that oppresses him.", "Hi. You just mentioned I, Robot by Isaac Asimov.\n\nI've found an audiobook of that novel on YouTube. You can listen to it here:\n\n[YouTube \| Isaac Asimov I, Robot Complete Audiobook](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6opGIrlzJb0)\n\nI'm a bot that searches YouTube for science fiction and fantasy audiobooks.\n*\n[^(Source Code)](https://capybasilisk.com/posts/2020/04/speculative-fiction-bot/)^\| [^(Feedback)](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose?to=Capybasilisk&subject=Robot) ^\| [^(Programmer)](https://www.reddit.com/u/capybasilisk) ^\| ^(Downvote To Remove) ^\| ^(Version 1.4.0) ^\| ^(Support Robot Rights!)", "That is one of the reasons why these people get paid fuck you money. Oh it is a HUGE burden is it? Poor people have plenty of responsibilities that, to them, are just as stressful. \n\nWhat is the thing you hear told to disgruntled employees - \"don't like the job, go get another\" or \"don't like backbreaking, shit work? But you still took the job\". The difference is a CEO at a large company has almost unlimited options available to them if the stress is too much.", "Depends.... Doing something shitty for short term gains while ignoring long-term performance is a relatively new thing. The question is, must they really get rid of all those workers, or is it just a monetary manipulation, and will the company be able to continue working without those workers in the next quarter/fiscal year.", "Does it suck that you got laid off? Yes of course. But what good does it do to go up to a former employer and call them a cunt. I guess it might feel good, but that's not a \"huge difference\". Plus you could be burning a potential recommendation, but hey if someone think it's very important to spit on the guy who fired them and call him an asshole who am I to stop em!", "Your just describing the negatives of capitalism", "Yeah, some people develop their moral code independent of market logic. Is that strange?", "I am impressed Softbank still has money left after flushing billions down the drain on Wework", "Admittedly I've only be around one set of high level executives, but they were universally rich kid trust fund morons who couldn't find their ass without their staffs.\n\nSpent weeks coming up with a new set of \"core values\" that were the exact same as the previous ones, just re worded.\n\nThere wasn't a single one who, after bonuses and options, made less than 10 million a year.", "There is nothing wrong with laying people off when you lost $100 million last quarter and at the same time receive funding. \n\nWhy do you think that's a problem?", "> Yeah but there's a whole bunch of pissed off redditors so he must have done something wrong\n\nWell yeah. He took a 25 million bonus and then let go hundreds of employees. \n\nTake a step back from your knee-jerk contrarianism to anything that becomes a majority opinion on reddit and maybe actually analyse the situation and see if this is a good thing using your own fucking brain.\n\nIt's honestly baffling how easy it is for someone like you to be convinced by a token gesture. As if it makes any fucking difference that he \"manned up\" and was willing to be on video to this when hundreds are losing their livelihoods as a result.", "Classic leftists. Deliberately choose bad terminology and then blame everyone else for it.", "You forgot one thing that matters. Your $750,000,000 bonus. That matters.", "We have no obligation to read your propaganda.", "Yeah I feel super oppressed by my job that pays me well and gives me good vacation time. Layoffs happen what do you want", "People say the same about EVERY** movement.\n\nThe movement for women's rights was met with the exact same criticism from useful idiots like you who fail to understand that every message can be twisted in this manner.", "“Keep working hard Phil, and next year I’ll be able to get another Lamborghini!”\n\n-CEO", "You're awful vain for a trust fund kid from Mexico who failed at the only endeavour he ever tried.", "But someones birthday probably is in January as well so he can't do it then either! In February there's valentines, can't fire anyone over valentines!", "I think a big part of that is most of us don't have a good idea of what they do day to day, but a lot of examples of executives that do a bad job of whatever that is and still get paid as companies crumble around them.", "That ducking vest. That ducking face.", "He’s giving you 4 weeks full pay and a month of benefits. Most companies would put you on the street with nothing.", "I mean, he could have just done nothing and let HR do the firing as well.", "I was laid off and told if I wanted to come back I'd need to take a 20% pay cut. Fuck that noise! I was only making 40k to start! I refused. That was March 2020. June 2021 finally found a job in my field and it payed 60k plus bonuses.", "i agree 100%. but 1) i love how he tries to make himself the victim by telling everyone he’s cried in the past and how hard it is for him. talk about narcissistic. 2) he’s obviously not a great leader if he’s had to lay off 15% of the workforce twice in his career. this just tells me he does care about anyone and is probably horrible to work for.", "Ah great, that makes everything ok", "That was money to the company not the individual", "This was definitely posted and deleted yesterday. Now all the top comments are being gentle towards the CEO. Suspicious", "If you think like a sociopathic Gordon Gecko, sure. If you're a normal member of the human race, you consider at least a few other factors.", "He didn’t get a $750m bonus.. That is the amount of capital infused from SoftBank and other pre-IPO backers.", "I'm not going to spend my Saturday arguing about it.\n\nFor what it's worth, I only stated that it was people's original complaint, I didn't give my view one way or the other.", "Go fuck yourself", "Why are you against information for customers? How do you expect the magic invisible hand to work without perfect information?", "I don't think you get it. The whole point people are making here that there's too much focus on profit. A company just invested an additional $750 million dollars, just so they could lay people off for the holidays and appear more attractive to investors so they can make even more money. \n\nPeople are arguing that in society, the well being of the populous should be more important than shareholder profits, especially when the shareholders are already plenty rich and well off.", "Understand two things. One, most CEOs and executives are psychologically broken. They do not think like the rest of us. \n\nTwo, their warped sense of identity is based on increasing wealth wherever possible. It’s not about profits ,rates of return, or long term corporate sustainability - it’s a game, and nailing a higher return is like scoring points in a Halo lobby. To this CEO , laying people off is as emotional as tossing a spent shotgun. It doesn’t even rise to “not giving a damn” because they’d had to have cared in the first place. \n\nWhether it’s by zoom, carrier pidgen or HR organized conference hall purges, the point is the same: the employees don’t matter.", "No intelligent person thinks making a typo is equivalent to making a stupid argument.\n\nThey could have said \"you'r the reasin they got put cofee hott on the cup u mush-bren\" and they'd still come across more intelligent than the absolute wank you're spouting.", "I'm curious though, how would a company that does something like this plan to continue operating with the sudden loss of people power?", "You're probably not looking hard enough then. Their job is to fuck you over.", "Yep, they have all those employees future earnings. Seems like a good motive to me. Just lost a ton on a bad investment so steal from the defenseless.", "This is super common because Christmas bonuses/vacation. Saves more money than firing people randomly throughout the year. Scummy of course, but if you're seeing this for the first time you probably haven't seen many large layoffs.", "And that’s why a lot more of us are realizing capitalism fundamentally sucks ass", "Go fuck yourself", "i love how he sits in a messy unfinished room to do this and not his (probably) huge luxurious office. Scam artists", "All management should be fired before any decent folks, just as a law.", "So far so good a year in. Lets see where im at in 10, eh?", "Its a poor way to run a business as it leads to decline in quality. If you're a start-up and supposed to be growing it doesn't take a genius to figure out you can't simultaneously do more while reducing your workforce. Layoffs can only be done so many times before the whole thing falls apart, a quarterly EPS boost may be attractive to investors but it's not good for anything besides the CEO's end of year bonus if it can't be maintained. \n\nSure, you could keep doing layoffs for a decade and scrape by like in the case of Activision but even without the awful abuses at the company you can see that a decline in quality has lead to most of their franchises dying off. They canned the majority of the their QA teams and most of their customer service department, so customers got a worse product with more issues while simultaneously receiving slower and lower quality support. A mortgage company is a dime a dozen, they don't have an entrenched fanbase to rely on and if customers start to get frustrated, refinancing with another company is easy and inexpensive at current interest rates.", "I refinanced through Better and it was honestly a very easy and pleasant experience. I didn’t have to talk to a single person.", "How about they take a billion dollars they they raised and keep the employees instead?", "One of the best", "If it’s a separate company managing hr, those employees are potentially employees of the HR company and not the company they’re actually providing labor for. Their actual employer is the one who legally should fire them. Probs would also be good to have their local supervisor in the conversation too", "This is straight out of the movie “Up in the Air”", "So what do you propose as their name?\n\nDo you actually have an alternative? Or could it be that you're not as smart as you think you are and people already know that \"anti-work\" was chosen because it's short and catchy, not because it succintly describes the entire movement.\n\nIf people like you had their way, they'd be renamed to the \"anti-work-but-we're-not-actually-advocating-for-abolition-of-labour-entirely-just-the-unfair-status-quo-that-we-currently-live-with-please-do-not-get-the-impression-we-never-want-to-work\" subreddit.", "Careful now. In times of the pandemic,Your best asset is your employees. When their gone their gone their gone.", "Who said I’m against information for customers? I’m against whipping up a mob of selfish uninformed dorks who are upset about things because they don’t understand them and only have bits and pieces of the puzzle.", "Yah, really.", "my prior employer gathered over 100 people in the cafeteria to deliver our warren act notice of termination within 90days, I don't see how the news being delivered by zoom would be any different.", "Cool. What's your point? No one said it does. They just described what happens.", "Ducking scum bag.", "The biggest issue that everyone ignoring is the fact that there is a huge labor shift. Most labor that can work online is going to slowly shift to cheaper labored countries.\n\nPeople are unemployed and because of that, people get desperate and it is easier to lowball the less financially secure into a position saving the company tons of money than it is to upkeep the current employees.\n\nShort terms gains with a long term sacrifices as usual.\n\nCompany I worked for did this (I was on a contract.) They essentially outsourced my labor to other countries with cheaper labor, in order to pay them less for the same rendered services.\n\nSince everyone is working online now, its easier for these companies to find labor to do the same work in another country. And I'm talking specifically about the top 100. Not sure how far on the charts this can go but if they got money this is the direction they will move towards.", "He’s not running a charity. 3 of the 4 reasons he gave for firing them were some form of underperformance. I know plenty of people who are phoning it in at their jobs and I’m shocked that they’re still employed.", "Exactly.", "Forget to log out of the alt-account did we? Or did you just take it upon yourself to get upset at something directed at another person?\n\n----\n\nMan that's even more pathetic.\n\nShitting on those below you because you were lucky enough to get a job that gives a shit about you is some pussy shit.\n\nGrow up and take some responsibility for the state of the country you live in. I live comfortably working at a job I feel valued at, but I'm not stupid enough to think that applies nationally. This is clearly still bad.\n\n>Yeah I feel super oppressed \n\nNo one said you were oppressed you child. Stop trying to shoehorn yourself into the victim role.", "The vast majority of people don't work jobs like you asshole. I haven't had a vacation in 10 years. I get paid dog shit wages, I work 6 days a week, my benefits suck, my bosses are horrible people, I barely make enough to live and I don't even have fucking kids. I've worked my way up a long way from dishwasher moving company to company and industry to industry I have fucked up my back, my knees, and probably need a hip replacement in the next 10 years so again go fuck yourself asshole. The world doesn't revolve around you and not everybody on a planet of billions lives like you or works like you. Do you know how arrogant and entitled you sound? Tu madre eres puerca. Step outside of your bubble and face reality. Witness the Spectacle of Capitalist exploitation. Work till you die and lick your bosses boot instead I guess. Enjoy your few years of retirement before you die jackass.", "If they hadn't just secured amolst a billion dollars in funding and have it listed on their page that they're hiring, all right before christmas, I would agree with you.", "Yeah, we just need a better alternative to it because communism isn't it. \n\nedit: To the silent downvoters. I wish all of you to get your desire of living in a communist country. There is no better way to show you exactly how foolish you are being.", "I expect them not to fire 1000 people right before Christmas after raising 1 billion dollars while the CEO gets a 25 million dollar bonus.", "I don’t think r/antiworkintheenviornentthatfavorscapitalandnotforthebettermentofeverbody has the same ring. Not our fault you are dumber than a bag of nails but here we are 🤷", "These people get paid fuck you money because they are fuck you smart, work fuck you hours, don’t take holidays, don’t have out of office replies, have fuck you amount of responsibilities, and have demonstrated a fuck you ability to create value for shareholders.\n\nYou on the other hand are nothing besides a contributor in antiwork.", "No u", "And that is capitalism in a nutshell.\n\nAnd if someone ever says \"Oh no that is crony/vulture/etc capitalism\" that is a bullshit argument. Respond with \"Okay, so you support legislation to keep capital from doing these things?\" and you will get a resounding no.", "Well, at least he is wearing a trendy down vest.", "Do you think that the CEO hearing people's complaints at that time and the vulgar words would change his decision on the layoffs?\n\nThe decision was already made, no going back on it.\n\nAlso as someone else had pointed out, if the CEO actually brought people into a conference room to do the layoffs, this article would have been \"CEO invites all remote workers to a conference room during a pandemic to lay them off\".\n\nBasically there's no good way of doing layoffs, it's just something that is done and it's a never ending cycle.", "The cool thing about companies is that they “are people too”, don’t have morals, and “stand with you” on social issues!", "He just got a $25,000,000 bump. This dude deserves zero ‘props.’", "Refinanced my house with Better a few months ago. Can confirm. There were zero garbage fees and no points. The process was amazing. Took 18 days from\nStart to close. Saved ~$350 a month didn’t even need an appraisal. They were so much cheaper and better then the 2 other companies I looked at before going with Better.", "Found the MBA.", "When is the IPO? I'd like to see a prospectus please.", "How is any of what you just said relative to this situation? You're making so many assumptions", "What do you expect the company to do then? Keep everyone employed until the valuation tanks to 0?", "ITT armchair CEOs", "Aw, poor fella cried before! It must be so hard for him! I hope he’s going to be okay!!", "Bit ironic that you have a Disco Elysium pfp but defend a CEO who just got a $25,000,000 bump for firing 15% of his workforce.", "Negatives for people that have no sense of what job security actually means.", "If not then it's a bad business decision and the guy is going to get what's coming to him.", "What I love about this attitude is how many people check if their banks or pension funds are invested in 'ethical' practices.", "Are you implying there should be no expectation of job security here?", "You do realize that most of the time CEOs don't even attend mass layoffs, right? You are just trying to find any small and insignificant thing to get offended by. And I don't think anyone cares whether they can isnult their boss or not who are also willing to drive all the way to work just to do that.", "Sweet summer child, thinking that companies care about workers.", "No, you don't. Companies have the sole purpose of making profit. It doesn't matter if it sucks or not. That's why they are formed. To make a profit. Not defending it, mind you, but there's absolutely no way people should expect anything other than this.", "Because most times it is. \n\nAnyone can be replaced.", "Hahahaha you think CEOs don’t take holidays? You think they ‘work’ fuck you hours - most of that time is spent in restaurants and on golf courses. Get the fuck out of here.", "> He’s not running a charity\n\nWho gives a shit.\n\nYou don't have to be working at a charity to expect basic worker protections and to be treated as though your labour is not disposable and replaceable.\n\nWhat a sad understanding of worker rights and respect for your employees that you think only charities should give a shit about doing the right thing.\n\n>3 of the 4 reasons he gave for firing them were some form of underperformance.\n\nYou can't seriously think this is a compelling argument?\n\nIt's not fucking coincidence that all these people were let go at the same time. It didn't just happen by chance.\n\nOf *course* a reason will be given as to why they've just made 100s of people unemployed for their own benefit. That's pretty obvious.\n\n>I know plenty of people who are phoning it in at their jobs and I’m shocked that they’re still employed.\n\nYou should stop letting your disdain for your colleagues who aren't pulling their weight influence your opinions on worker rights.\n\nSuddenly deciding that 15% of your company is \"phoning it in\" is gross mismanagement and if a CEO were in a position where they'd allowed that to happen, it is *the CEO* who should be suffering the consequences.", "I’d rather it before. That way I don’t spend loads at Christmas, and I’m sitting on more emergency cash.", "Thank you.", "Especially in these trying times.", "Outside of government work or self employment there's never any expectation of job security", "Heh cold war", "Okay but their end goal is having pretty numbers on a piece of paper to show daddy shareholder. At the expense of workers. That's the point.", "Most layoffs are because companies are struggling if not failing bruh. You're basically saying we should force them to commit economic suicide.", "You really sound like you have no idea any of this function.\n\n* You don't fire 15% of your employees to \"convert\" their salaries to profit for investors.\n* The fact that a company has cash reserves and has been able to raise capital does absolutely not mean that layoffs are unnecessary. A company that only ever lays off people when their cash reserves are at zero and their ability to borrow is exhausted, is likely to go bankrupt before reaching any meaningful size. That's a 100% layoff. The remaining 85% of employees should be thankful that someone using such a simpleton armchair CEO framework of decision-making is not in charge.\n\nThe post that you are spamming all over this thread reads like some \"Muh capitalism bad\" put together to rally the financially illiterate about great perceived injustices.", "Haven't you listened to the video? There are plenty of good reasons to make them jobless, like 'productivity', 'performance', 'market' and 'efficiency'. \n\nAnd that's just the half of it. Don't get me started on 'administration', 'equity' and 'gross domestic product'. Do you understand why they were fired yet? Let me hit you with some more words I learned in business school like 'margin', 'yield' and 'export'. Is that enough for ya? Can you comprehend now why those people deserve to lose their livelihoods?\n\nDon't bother responding if you don't even understand how a SMES can have a leveraged key performance indicator during a merger with segmented macroeconomics.", "Damn, these 4D advertising campaigns are wild.", ">If you disagree with the very idea of capitalism then ok but why were you working there if you did?\n\nEither you're a child or just very out of touch with reality. Seriously friend, think about the sheer asininity of that statement.", "1.\tThat’s not entirely true, 2. You’re still just describing negative aspects of capitalism", "How the fuck is it \"end stage capitalism\"? Businesses don't typically operate with 15% extra workforce just so they don't make people jobless. They're not a charity.", "Hey! You get that un-American logic out of here.", "I understood they're getting some compensation and it will get them through December for sure. It does suck a bit for the people who aren't skilled that much since they will struggle to find a job during December, skilled employees are probably already in communication with their new potential employer though. Working for a big company is always just straight business - you're just a number and they show no emotions when the rug gets pulled. Better to forget what happened and find a better job asap.", ">You and I both know it is not that simple\n\nAnd yet you judge the company while acknowledging their situation is \"not that simple\". You know nothing about them and are willing to say \"it is not that simple\" only when the argument favors you. Such a hypocrite lmao", "what an uncaring way of sharing such a sad news...he is literally reading from a piece of paper... he may be a CEO but his operations skills is piss poor", "Yes, which is why competent countries have worker protections that ensure workers are treated as *human beings who require this employment to survive* and not replacement parts which can be swapped out at the CEO's convenience, despite how much that fucks over thousands of people.\n\n-----\n\nIf you are advocating for full UBI, then sure, treat every worker as replaceable. But until then, you have to take into account that the workers you rely on are human beings with rights who do not deserve to be discarded at a moment's notice to improve the balance sheet and give the CEO a bonus.", "And? So what if I am? It's the world we live in. What did you think I was describing?", "You’re making a lot of assumptions based on what seems to be no evidence. [Looks like he’s probably making $400k in salary](https://www.comparably.com/companies/better-mortage/executive-salaries) with whatever bonuses and stock options thrown on top. Unless I’m missing something he’s probably not making more than a million or two a year.\n\nThe CEO at the public company I worked for up until last year - a barely fortune 500 company - had a total comp package of about 9 million. No way this guy makes even close to those numbers.\n\nAssuming that the amount above is roughly correct, that’s not enough to save more than a handful of jobs if he were to go without salary. A lot of CEOs are terrible people, make terrible decisions and are over paid - that doesn’t mean that all of them are making 10,000 times the salary of their lowest earning FTE or can have any meaningful impact on large scale layoffs by forgoing their salary.", "From what I've seen, the dude just got a $25 million bonus, and the company just got like $750 million in capital and are about to go public. All indications that the company isn't really doing as bad as he says they are. \n\nIn contrast, CEOs in japan will either refuse salary and bonuses during a downturn to offset the salary of their workers, or will just flat out resign because they see the company's failure as their own personal failure. \n\nSometimes, the hivemind is correct, and just blindly opposing it is just as bad as blindly following it.", "Because trying to find a new job during December is really hard with key decision makers taking extended leave.", "You don't need an MBA. Making money for the owners is the point of every business other than non-profit. Not sure why this is at all controversial.", "And some people develop a brain to understand morals aren't objective", "Merry Christmas :)", "TIL if you have any kind of retirement investments you are \"plenty rich and well off.\"", "Right before Christmas to boot as well!", "You don't have to repeat the propaganda of right-wing freak Milton Friedman. You can choose differently.", "except needlessly firing people for no reason isnt profitable and does effect the bottom line, training people is VERY EXPENSIVE", "Lol like anyone really has a choice. How many ethical companies are public? Retail investors don't have deep enough pockets to make any kind of impact.\n\nThe 401ks I've had through work give you no options of the type of companies you invest in.", "Did he use $50's or $100's for tissue paper while he was crying about laying these people off?", "This will become the standard in the next economic cycle. Mass layoffs via video.\n\nAlmost like management is rubbing wfh in the face of its employees who benefitted from it. Gotta keep everyone coming to an office to keep and eye on us. Even in a pandemic.", "Sure glad we give zero shits about the economic suicide of any of the employees when they're laid off along with 200 of their coworkers who will then be competing with them for the same damn jobs. All with no warning.", "Redditors aren't particularly well-versed on how businesses actually work.", "Wow, i've been called communist and fascist today. God damn i'm pissing people off lmao. \n\nMate, i did say i wasn't defending it. The fact you reply with \"reeeee right wing\" just says all about you. \n\nAgain, i don't defend companies, but their whole purpose is make a profit. Ask the slaves in sweatshops and mines who built your appliances about your moral stance on companies.", "Same. Refi with Better earlier this year and their rate beat all the other .com lenders by MILES. Zero points, barely any fees, even got money back, and below avg interest rates on a 30 year loan. All in my PJ's. Crazy how cheap it was. Would do it again in a heartbeat.", "He should obviously run the company into the ground and lose 100% of jobs rather than cut 15% now and build up more jobs over time", "“Hey lets be sure and frame my crotch, that is what this call needs”", "So the entire department he has to deal with those things will deal with it. Oh god no.", "Why hire them in the first place? Maybe management made a mistake and needs to go instead", "\"McDonalds review, flavor of employee tears coming through clearly, would buy again\"", "This whole thread is full of people posting terms they have read online and don't understand to display rage in a process they don't understand. \n\nLike most Reddit posts where economics or business is involved.", "No they just got 750MILLION", "That’s business. One risk of being a disposable employee is getting laid off for greedy reasons. It’s happened to me. Most of us are disposable after all. I didn’t take it personally. \n \nIn some ways When you start getting into “it’s Christmas” and “ppl at the top are being greedy” youre only pointing out business is soulless and self serving. But by nature that’s how you were able to join them in getting a cut of money as their employee. \n \nThe game is self serving in every respect. As a lower level person it’s best to come to terms with this and behave as such.", "True but I read their comment sarcastically", "Mate, did I call you anything, or did I call Milton Friedman a right-wing freak? Work on your reading comprehension before reeeeeeeing yourself.", "You said i parroted him, so if he's a fascist so am i. You don't parrot Hitler without being a Nazi, do you? Are you 12?", "Yeh. Ive got others in this thread telling me my company will fail because we didnt want to go the vc route XD.", "But think of the future stockholders\n\n/s", "Reddit has taught me that all businesses are just money printing machines where the boss has billions of dollars and sits on a yacht all day. Are you saying these people have been wrong this whole time?!", "Is this really that bad? Genuine question, I’m not saying it isn’t\n\nBut if 4 weeks of pay and 3 months of benefits….I mean if it’s a shit job, those are a dime a dozen, and if it’s a good job you could have the means to survive on unemployment for a period of time\n\nI’m not saying it doesn’t suck but is that severance pretty good or am I crazy?", "Been in tech for over a decade. It's an industry with a lot of perks, but job security is not one of them. Never will be. You are a number on a page, and the only way not to be is to put forth impressive results and probably overwork yourself in the process. The founders are often under the thumb of suits, who have millions of dollars on the line, so your financial well being is not as important as theirs. \nI've worked for some very cut throat places where people haven't lasted 3 months. Doesn't have to be your fault, sometimes it's just bad luck. \n\n\nIt sucks, but it is what it is. If you get into the industry, it's something you have to accept about it.", "That's the next ceos problem to clean up, then look like a hero", "A reminder that your employer doesn't have your back so you shouldn't have theirs.", "No one ever should ever lose their job regardless of anything. That's the way!", "Read the room asshole. No one wants to hear about your shitty product.", "That's a nice strawman you've built there.", "Well, short term gains is an understatement. They're transferring to a public company and keeping \"dead weight\" (sorry for being a bit crass) costs them millions of dollars. Keeping these workers will cost them a ton of money, so it's not like i would expect them to do nothing.", "Not really though.", "Sure, explain how. \n\nWhat did i say that made you go \"Strawman\"?", "The layoffs were a condition to get the funding.", "I’m implying it’s bad. You’re implying “so what?” That’s the problem I have. Putting up with a shitty system shouldn’t just be met with throwing your hands up and the air and saying “it is what it is”", "Since when was an 8 Billion dollar company with a recent $750,000,000 in investments at risk of tanking to zero? Lol. The straws people grasp for to be pro multi-millionaire when they're at their worst. He's not gonna see this and give you a cash reward, you know. You'd be better off showing solidarity with your own socioeconomic class, not his.", "It was a $1.5 billion raise, with $750 million up front before closing. That is enormously rare and doesn't happen without contingencies, like an immediate 15% reduction in headcount to reduce the burn rate. \n\nAs a lender and mortgage broker, Better has liquid capital requirements to remain solvent. It's probably not possible to know what they are through public data, but that $1billion in cash isn't all available to use for salaries. \n\nFinally you don't \"convert\" salary into profits for shareholders, that's fucking crazy. Even for a SPAC. During a liquidity event, their investors make money by selling the equity they got through the earlier fundraising.", "I would suspect it would be very hard for the vast majority of people to fire someone. I know it would be hard for me, and I suspect you as well. It's easy to be antagonistic towards him, but if it's the company he founded, he's undoubtedly put in 80+ hrs/week running it, and developing relationships with the people in it. \n\nYes, the company is huge now- 9,000 people, and it's impossible to know all those who've been terminated. Still doesn't mean he didn't care about them.", "There were some real shitty parts to how this was handled, but paying the premiums for COBRA is a solid move and not something most companies would even consider doing.\n\nThat being said, the actual motives of the layoffs could still be suspect and judgment should be reserved until more info comes to light.", "I think it’s pretty well established that top comment is always true.", "nah the moment someone unironically uses the term \"end stage capatalism\" you can safetly mock them, probably humiliate them, and then hopefully they can get some education when they hit high school", "They’re not focusing on long term sustainability, quarter to quarter profits (making shareholders happy) is all that matters.", "Regardless of having cash reserves or incoming investments they are still losing money hand over fist. Assuming they want to build a sustainable business that isn't just hemorrhaging money this might have been a necessary decision. Layoffs for 15% of the company sucks, but if you drive the business into the ground you end up laying off 100% of the company.", "Because this is the excuse used whenever someone justifies a company cutting labor despite record profits, pays a bare minimum wage, uses welfare to supplement their employees needs, sets limits to hours and benefits, keeps full time employees at barely adequate hours, over works their salaried staff, cuts jobs and pushes it onto a single worker, forces unsafe working conditions, etc. Every time this happens a bunch of bro wall Street bets morons wiggles their way out of the woodwork to scream \"bUt ThAt'S cApItAliSm!!!\" as if that excuses the shitty toxic environment of the US work industry.", "Go fix it then", "SoftBank invested? Company is fucking doomed.", "That's on the shareholders, not the company. Corporations exist to serve the shareholders. They determine the priorities of the board, they determine executive compensation, they determine the short, and long-term goals of the company. \n\nBefore the dot-com boom in the late 90's, companies largely existed to produce dividends for shareholders. There was no such thing as a \"get rich quick\". The dot-com boom changed things, pretty much forever -- now investment is not investment, its gambling and like any gambling, the goal is to maximize return before you get out. \n\nThe advent of self-service investing systems in the last 20 years just magnified the problem because now people who have literally no idea what they're doing can gamble in the market. \n\nThere's only one viable fix, and it'll never happen -- they need to tax asset-sale capital gains at higher than income tax rates (and eliminate the short and long-term differentiation), and tax dividend capital gains at lower than income tax rates. That would, essentially overnight, shift the priority of shareholders from stock growth to dividend growth, it would make all investing focused on the long term and reward companies and employees that take more of their income as stock, which helps with retirement stability and would help with social security.", "Youre ok with being viewed as disposable? We should just accept it? Jesus man if you want downvotes just ask. Ridiculous trolling.", "That’s not the shareholders they’re talking about.", "Found the finance major", "That's next quarters problem", "And market logic is? It’s just objectively smart to allow millions if not billions to suffer so that a few people who already have a fuck load of money can make a little more money?\n\nNah man. When it comes to social thought, the ideas that are most taken for granted as objective reality are those most thoroughly rooted in ideology. Market logic is so dominant that we think it’s how things necessarily have to be. There’s plenty of historical evidence that’s starting to surface showing that the only thing that’s evident about human nature is that we have the ability to radically change how our societies are structured. Check out The Dawn of Everything by David Graeber and David Wengrow.", "Is he a douche bag? Most likely. But he didn't hide behind others to do his dirty work is all I'm saying.", "So the story with the scene of Clooney visiting employees to tell them they're being let go is that they invited a bunch of real life people who were laid off as an \"interview\" style sit down to film [what their reactions were when they got let go.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zE9D9xl7o0&ab_channel=RG)\n\nAs somebody who experienced lay offs, I hate this scene because to me it's not as genuine as the director intended. While everyone reacts differently and some people are able to tell what's going on, let me say the first time it happened to me it felt like somebody just sucked the air out of my body and I felt a shattered cold spread through my chest. Everything slowed down and my mind was trying to catch up to what is happening, and it wasn’t fast enough.\n\nI totally believe these people after the fact reacting this way. In the moment though? Especially if it's your first time? I can guarantee you these were not their actual responses.", "I guess you took that wrong, I was agreeing with the OP here.", "Woman's rights is exactly what it sounds like. \n\nDefund the police is either garbage branding, or it's extremely smart because it can be literal to some shitheads but they can say it's not literal to other, more reasonable people.", "But it's a deferred cost. They don't start reinvesting in staff until after they go public and benefit from their fraudulent metrics.\n\nAnd sure it's more expensive to cycle 15% of your staff, but when you bring everyone in on starting salaries you can recoup some of that investment by having a lower average payrate for your staff.", "Who gives a shit? \n\nProbably the investors who put 750 million into the company and want to see their money back, instead of having the company go under because they wouldn’t lay off staff. \n\nWhen the company goes under every employee will lose their job, so sometimes a hard decision has to be made. Capitalism sure can suck, but running a business for the good of the people will just bankrupt companies.", "Gotta make more money and can’t have to pay all these workers that hurts the bottom line. That’s it.", "T_T", "Cool anecdote.", "I'm literally just saying about the manner in which it was done, regardless of context. Don't know the whole story so not commenting on it.", "As far as my labor goes? Uhhh yeah.", "Cry moar", "It's actually very clever terminology. That way they can get support from people who literally don't want to work, as well as from people who just want better working conditions and for some reason are ok with what they think is a poorly chosen name.", "Sorry we'll make it illegal to fire people now.", "The investors likely stipulated that they would need to see turn around actions to accept the injection. \n\nHeck, it’s highly likely the 15% number was pushed onto the company.", "Let these folks hear it from their direct manager. The mass layoff thing is a bit strange to me", "What’s hilarious is that they’re going to hire alll new people. It’s just another example on how good capitalism is just plain bad for sustainable, long-term business. They don’t care about actually making the most money over ten years, it’s quarter by quarter. That’s how everyone is incentivized and paid. Then when it blows up, they walk away with a golden parachute. It’s societal rot.", "You're right. They should burn that cash until everyone is unemployed!", "Stop your gonna blow the white knights brains with this logic!", "Remind me again - who are the essential workers in our society?", "Sounds like a great company for the consumer, and a bad company for the employee", "Sounds about right. Mine said we were all taking 10% cuts and no bonuses this year. When asked if execs lost their bonuses too, he said \"that's where most of our pay comes from so no\". Such BS.", "Sick when they monopolize and you have to refi can we get a follow up?", "Lower labor costs increase equity.", "If you're able to \"convert salaries into profits\", that means the people you fired were bringing in 0 revenue to the company.\n\nFor one that isn't true, and if it was the firing would be justified.", "Redo Up in the Air.", ">How to crash the stock market overnight", "Not if you just make the remaining people take over those jobs without paying them extra.\n\nEither way by the time the impact of this layoff hits the bottom line this CEO and the other execs will have moved on.\n\nShort term profits are all that matters to shitheads like this", "Where'd you read about the CEO claiming people only worked 2 hours a day? just curious.", "Who says it was used unironically?", "Gotta hate when companies get one last day out of ya by firing you at the end of your shift...", "If you can't explain yourself then I suggest you remove the post because I belive you are spreading misinformation. And why are you the messenger of \"people's complaints\"? Which people?", "Who excused it? I read an explanation", "> You’re making a lot of assumptions based on what seems to be no evidence\n\nPlease outline what assumptions you think I've made. Stating \"wow you're making a lot of assumptions\" doesn't mean much when as far as I can tell my entire argument is based on facts which are public record (number of workers let go, average CEO salaries, etc.)\n\n> Unless I’m missing something he’s probably not making more than a million or two a year.\n\nHis salary isn't relevant. We're talking about the ~~$25 million dollar bonus he just received. Struggling businesses shouldn't be offering large bonuses before letting go of nearly 1000 people~~ (I can't verify this figure, so it makes more sense to look at the cash injection they recently got instead).\n\n>Assuming that the amount above is roughly correct, that’s not enough to save more than a handful of jobs if he were to go without salary\n\nI'm not asking him to \"sacrifice his salary to save jobs\". I'm asking him to resign or take a pay cut for his poor performance, because he has failed at his job and mismanaged his company to the point that hundreds of people have now lost their livelihoods. As I said, CEOs will go on and on about the \"risk\" they're taking on and then pass it all on to the workers. It's wrong, and it needs to change.\n\n-----\n\nIt should be the norm for a CEO to have to resign for mismanaging their company to the extent that hundreds/thousands of people have to be laid off.\n\nMaybe if that happens enough times, CEOs will put a little more effort into ensuring their company grows in a fashion that doesn't involve destroying the livelihoods of hundreds of people to look good on a balance sheet.\n\nI think what people are missing here is that I'm fully aware that it's normal for CEOs and company higher-ups in general to be sociopathic, and it's perfectly normal for companies to fuck over thousands of workers to save money. What I'm saying is that it *shouldn't* be tolerated and we need to start pushing back on the idea that this is normal and to be expected.", "Huh. He's had to do this twice now.....maybe HE is the fucking problem. Holy shit.", "Man, I could hear it in your voice, I’m so sorry for this and sorry it happened to you. \n\nWhat awful timing and awful, insincere delivery. I like how he “tried to be brave and courageous” by saying the last time he did this, he cried and this “was his decision.”", "Think about it real hard, you'll get it eventually.", "I kept expecting the Pied Piper logo or some Silicon Valley character to appear in the video", "It's their job to choose a good name if they want to be taken seriously. \n\nOh and maybe change the subreddit description from being about a work-free lifestyle too. \n\nBunch of crybabies that want others to provide everything for them so they can fucking around on TikTok all day is just what people assume otherwise.", "He is a gecko bruh. He makes money, and licks lot of P and jumps over oars alot .... no wait that was his dad.\n\nMy point is, not human", ">Doing something shitty for short term gains while ignoring long-term performance is a relatively new thing.\n\nYou're joking right? That's been the american way for companies and governments the past 200 years.", "We also need a form of unlimited clean energy before that works.", "Be the change then. With your own business, not someone else's.\n\nedit: I've never laid off anyone in any business I've run. I have gone a year without getting paid while employees still got paid in a growing business. You ever worked for a year for no pay?\n\nDo the employees in that company share any of the blame for the troubles? They mentioned performance as one of the selection factors for being in the 15% laid off. How many of those people missed their goals?", "I hope the guy that filmed collected his check before posting this or is in a financial position where the month severance isn't important. \n\nWhat a shitty way to get laid off.", "Yep. I will never bring in outside money again. It was the biggest mistake I've made in business. It's like letting a vampire in to your house. Once they are in, bad things happen.", "It's true. I won't work anywhere where anyone has ever been fired.", "Article in fortune. Employees only working 2.5 hours a day if true is definitely a management issue. \n\nhttps://archive.md/pCi8K", "Yeah, I'm sure he cried.", "This is reddit. They don't think any of this stuff through.", "> Woman's rights is exactly what it sounds like. \n\nPeople literally complaining that \"feminism\" and \"women's rights\" were discriminatory against men using the same bullshit logic you're using.\n\n>Defund the police is either garbage branding, or it's extremely smart because it can be literal to some shitheads but they can say it's not literal to other, more reasonable people.\n\nIt's bad branding, but you're fucking delusional if you think that changing the branding wouldn't immediately dissolve all momentum the movement has.\n\nIt's hard as fuck to build a movement, and you don't always have full control over the way it evolves.\n\nSomeone like you saying \"just change the name\" is essentially the same as saying \"shut down your movement and start again from scratch\". It's pathetic, and it doesn't help anyone.", "Well no I read the headline (sub's name) and then I read the description which confirmed the headline. \n\n> A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.\n\nWhat the fuck does that mean? Please explain.", "never understand why people like going to Disney world so much. i went a lot as a kid, and I could've gone much less. \n\n\nI'd much rather go somewhere naturally beautiful, do activities outside, and relax, rather than stand around in crowds and wait in line for 35 minutes for a 2 minute ride that's meant to be \"thrilling\".", "I've been laid off twice and never been directly escorted from the building. In both cases I was allowed to stay on for a couple additional months, during which time I could look for new employment. Guessing that's not common tho", "In America, the SYSTEM is capitalism, so you don't have much of a choice.", "It is you retard. Even your beloved communism requires people to fucking work.", "Not fire people before Christmas. Take the boot out of your mouth.", "No notice layoffs right before Christmas are a terrible thing to do. I doubt they discovered 15% of the company was unnecessary overnight.", "Thats money tomorrow, getting rid of people is savings today.\n\n/s", "15% of people at almost every company should be let go honestly. And it’s not the CEO’s fault. Sometimes a hiring manager makes a bad choice and just lets the person stay on board. Far too many people think that they’re owed a stable job and deserve a steady paycheck.", "It's actually fairly generous for the tech world. And they'll get unemployment", "Plus you can just immediately start looking for a new job every time the CEO starts a zoom conference. Then when it happens you’ll may even have interviewed during the conference and won’t stay jobless.", "Best eat the rich argument I've heard all day.", "job insecurity is totally awesome! /s", "The system, as it exists now, is going to do that anyway. Vanity stocks that have values that exist purely because of the expectation the value will continue to rise (like Tesla, as probably the biggest current example) are just Ponzi schemes, and they will collapse, and when they do, they take entire economies down with them. \n\nWhen you have a 100 story building that is falling apart and should be condemned, a controlled demolition is always better than an unexpected collapse.", "Reddit is unable to process how the real world works. People just want simple ideas like \"ceo bad\" etc. That flows well in their heads.\n\nThey don't talk about how Amazon is facing a record breaking holiday season so with staffing shortages so now they are paying 20 an hour plus sign on bonus for essentially unskilled labor. Not to suck their dick but they like everyone are affected by market forces and have to adjust. No one is just being kind for free the same way we don't all give money to every homeless person we meet on the street.", "I don’t have as much of an issue with this being done by a Zoom call, but I’ve read about this guy in the past and he’s apparently [a very shady person](https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire). Reading that article, then watching this video makes the whole “the last time I had to do this, I cried” thing feel like total bullshit. \n\nAnd to do this before a holiday is especially evil, because companies pretty much halt all hiring operations until after the break, so it severely impacts how quickly these people can find new jobs. The only 4 weeks of severance, all but guarantees that these people will go without income for a number of weeks before they can land a new job. This decision sounds like it wasn’t a reaction to an unexpected event, so if Better.com weren’t scumbags they’d either make this decision in October or wait until January to put these people in a better position to find new work quickly.", "I see no issue with this.", "> Probably the investors who put 750 million into the company and want to see their money back, instead of having the company go under because they wouldn’t lay off staff. \n\nWow sounds like we might need to look at the system that prioritises investments over human life. Almost like that's what I'm advocating for.\n\nI'm aware the system encourages this. *My criticisms are criticisms of this system\n\n>When the company goes under every employee will lose their job\n\nExcept it clearly isn't at risk of going under, that's the whole argument being made.\n\nYou can't give out ~~$25 million~~ (dubious/unverified) yearly bonuses, plan to go public with your company, and then pretend you're struggling and about to go under to excuse firing 900 people.\n\n>Capitalism sure can suck, but running a business for the good of the people will just bankrupt companies.\n\nLiterally not true, but I can see how you would get that idea from the US.\n\nThere are plenty of businesses and unions that operate in this fashion. It used to be the norm in the US until unions were demonised.", "Then if you're so much better than them, show me how to run a company lmao.", "you sweet summer child", "It’s not my preference - it’s reality. Coming to terms with the nature of business has improved my mental health and stress levels. \n \nBtw fuck a downvote, the hivemind is often wildly out of touch", "What does that even mean? If you fire someone today that doesn't create more equity or even make more equity available to investors - even if they had options, they're almost always locked in an employee pool.", "Why is it weird its on a zoom? Most people are remote in these type of jobs", "What are the units on greatness, I wonder.\n\nLook, this has got to be performance art, but I'm genuinely curious enough to see what you're going to come up with next so:\n\nGreatness? Kylie Jenner? Paris Hilton? Making money is not greatness, and it's gross that you equate the two. That you QAeven know the name Asimov or Verne, decades or a century later, while Hilton is has been an Jenner will be hosting award shows in a decade is enough to show done serious delta between the two groups. You see that, right?", "r/antiwork", "Do you honestly expect a world where companies never reduce work force?", "I don't even like this shit as sarcasm anymore.", "I dont understand, you want a business that does not increase profits for the owners? The point is that they don't care, the only thing that matters is the profits, and they don't have to care because there are no consequences to them.", "Yes, a good boss waits until after new year's to deliver such bad news so is don't fuck up your Christmas holiday.\n\nPretty basic stuff really.", "I'm assuming the terms of that cash infusion included cutting expenses. Staff is the easiest and quickest way to do that.", "I see people being on the fence on how to feel about this because calling everyone in person would probably be more of a slap in the face weighed against the poor tact of his delivery and them recently securing 1.5b in capital.\n\n\nI'd like to add another weight to the scale against the CEO, they are going public and he personally stands to likely become a billionaire when they do. But in order to be more comfortably in the billionaire range they have to optimize the number on paper for when they go public likely Q1 next year. \n\n\nWhile there are many important numbers investors use to make decisions, a few important ones are revenue, profits and in case of a tech startup \"burnrate\". When they go public next year they will likely do so on the revenue and \"profits\" of the quarter that is closing now. December being a fairly low volume month in the mortgage industry (who wants to be moving house during the holidays?), reducing staff by 15% likely wont affect anything revenue wise. \n\n\nSo now when they go public they will do so with the Q4 revenue achieved with current level of staff and the recently updated as per Januari \"burnrate\" (burnrate is how fast they are spending their money reserve) which makes all they numbers look better on paper.\n\n\nNumbers looking better on paper means their value is higher meaning the CEO (that likely holds a double digit ownership percentage) is richer.\n\n\nIf it really was all about \"performance\" as they are trying to spin it then you wouldn't do it all at once timed precisely so the fired people are all \"off the books\" in Januari.", "This is going to be a very naive comment but I'm wondering why it's such a big deal, is it really that difficult to find a new job within 1 or 2 months? I've heard that it's an employee market right now and it's quite easy to get a job.\n\nObviously it's not an ideal situation but it's not that bad is it?", "I love it when someone makes a quip like this, failing to understand that that's literally how it works in other countries.\n\nPlenty of countries have worker protections that mean CEOs can't take a ~~$25 million~~ (dubious/unverified) yearly bonus and pretend the company is struggling to let go 15% of staff.\n\nIt's much, much, much harder to be fired without cause in other Western countries.", "This was a very professional and succinct call. I like it. Business is business, I’m sure the people who get laid off will do much better in their next endeavor.", "They constantly want the freedom to do the exact thing they say they will never do. \n\nImagine a murder making a pro freedom argument for legalizing murder.", "Yeah... Layoffs are terrible.", "Curious to your situation when you felt that. Were you financially dependent on your employer to survive or were you stable enough to ride out unemployment and it's just the emotions?", "Since people clearly have no basic accounting knowledge, let me break it down.\n\n1.\t8 billion valuation does not mean the company has 8 billion dollars cash laying around to pay their employees salary. The valuation is typically revenue a multiplier which depends on the industry. \n2.\tTaking money from investors doesn’t usually mean a company is doing well financially, in fact, it’s usually the opposite. They need external cash injection because the company cannot survive on organic revenue alone.\n3.\tWhen an investor inject money into a company. It usually comes with additional requirements. I.e., no one will spend money in a failing company that’s not expected to be profitable. In this case, I’m welling to bet that the 10% layoff is largely supported by investors.\n4.\tthe company is not doing well. They lost 100M in 1 quarter. This is not some evil CEO firing people so he can take a bigger cut. This is more like a captain on a sinking ship trying to fill up a gaping hole on the bottom of the ship.", "the current system hates you", "It's ok, he cried last time he had to do layoffs. He hopes to be stronger this time.", "The crying part was in good form. I appreciated that candidness.", "My bad. My Apologies.", "And you do realize you can follow norms and still be a gigantic sack of shit.", "Could you explain to me what part of my comment makes you think cash should be burned?\n\nSeems like a really stupid interpretation of what was said and to be honest I can't be bothered arguing with you if you're this dense.\n\n-----\n\nIt's so sad to see people like you who just immediately buy this idea that all the workers will be fired if the CEO doesn't take his yearly ~~$25 million~~ (dubious/unverified) bonus and let go 15% of the workforce. You literally buy the PR-line without questioning it.", "If you don't understand how EPS juicing via layoffs ahead of an IPO sets up a company for failure or at the very least stunted growth that's on you. I don't really want to get into it with a \"just start your own business\" type, but the short of it is that any major economic entity be it a business or a government needs tools to utilize when facing unforseen problems. They've limited their options to combat a future miss on earnings, that's not an assumption.", "I got a phone call from HR in April 2020 and was laid off. You survive. You move on. \n\nApply for unemployment benefits and keep living life.", "He understands now that the employees will find a new job and be happier and more successful. It’s true. Anyone that my company fires, they go on to find a better fitting job. It’s just life. Sometimes we need to be let go in order to be free. In order to thrive", "Exactly, I feel like people are completely missing that part.", ">No notice layoffs right before Christmas are a terrible thing to do.\n\nAnd it is a good thing the rest of the year? If they need to lay people off, then there probably isn't a good reason to put it off. It is going to suck either anyway you do it.", ">\tPlease outline what assumptions you think I've made. Stating \"wow you're making a lot of assumptions\" doesn't mean much when as far as I can tell my entire argument is based on facts which are public record (25 million bonus, number of workers let go, average CEO salaries, etc.)\n\nWhere are you getting this $25 million bonus? The only source I’ve seen is the DailyBeast, which isn’t exactly reputable - and it’s a red flag seeing everyone parrot this single source. That’s what I was referring to as your assuming.\n\nThe rest of what you said makes sense to me and I agree with completely. He absolutely should be held responsible for a failure this big. What I had issue with was a perceived way for him to save the jobs at this point. His incompetence helped drive the company to this point.", "He handled this extremely well. Remember that Reddit is full of teenagers with immature/unrealistic POVs on the world.", "The guy is just giving credence to what the guy he's replying to was saying. From the consumer perspective, Better.com was fantastic: cheap, quick, hassel-free. What he didn't know then was it was at the cost of 15% of their employees' jobs.", "A company has a finite amount of money. Employees and their benefits, pensions, etc cost money. \n\nLess money going towards Employees means more money can be diverted to equity. \n\nThis has been going on for forty years its not new.", "Why tf would he hear complaints he wasn't hired to do that. He was hired to run the company and answers to shareholders and the board. If anything he's a well paid figurehead for a decision made by higher ups from even him.", "> He's not running a business out of charity.\n\nNo but the fact is that prior success has come because of the work the workers did. Without the workers the work never would have been accomplished. Workers give their lives and livelihoods for companies that then feel zero need for reciprocation. Yes it is \"just business\", but that mode of business is corrupt at its core, and to be frank, unsustainable for the long term.", "Business is business. Businesses aren’t responsible for your Holiday expenses.", "I mean, don't be in the bottom tier of performers at your job and you can usually avoid stuff like this.", "and then he tries to reenact his reaction while he plays it back in order to record it lol", "> It's their job to choose a good name if they want to be taken seriously. \n\nThat's not how movements develop though. You're asking for them to cancel all momentum their movement has picked up and start from scratch when you say this.\n\n>Oh and maybe change the subreddit description from being about a work-free lifestyle too. \n\nThe phrase \"work-free lifestyle\" isn't in the side bar. Which part are you talking about?\n\n>Bunch of crybabies that want others to provide everything for them so they can fucking around on TikTok all day is just what people assume otherwise.\n\nYou're laughably naive if you think this wouldn't be the case with any other name.\n\nThe reason I asked you to come up with a name yourself is to point out to you that it's literally impossible to summarise the movement in a couple of words and any word choice will get criticism from useful idiots like you", ">People are arguing that in society, the well being of the populous should be more important than shareholder profits, especially when the shareholders are already plenty rich and well off.\n\nBut they don't care about other people. The company does not care about its employees, they don't have to care because there are no consequences. And they can always find more labor because people need an income to live in our society. Thus the system is the way it is. The company focuses on profit and will happily stab its employees in the back for higher profits. Everyone knows that, anyone that works at a company knows that, you are just another replaceable cog in the machine, and you have no choice in the matter. No one cares about you.", "Your fired.", "The thing is, startups are one of the few cases where big money sometimes subsidizes the end consumer, at least for a while. Think Uber and Lyft selling you rides cheaper than a taxi while losing a billion dollars a year. Think Zillow buying your house over market value. Sometimes the end consumer wins, and it's a great deal they rave about. Until the company either goes under or corrects to reasonable prices.", "I'd rather have a bullet to the head than 5 in the back", "Glad this is the top comment because the Reddit hivemind usually just defaults to \"business bad\" in every single one of these scenarios. I don't know how else he could have done this. The severance package is actually pretty generous, too, with up to 3 months support from Cobra. It sucks, don't get me wrong, but could have been far worse. \n\nThe only thing I will say is people need to keep an eye on the salaries of the top people in this company, even the CEO. It irked me to no end when companies did layoffs during the pandemic while their top officers all still got millions... You don't lead by example by laying everyone off due to \"lack of money\" then have like 80 million dollars still collectively go to like the top 10 people when that money could have easily floated like 500 of those workers for a year especially if it was reduced pay. It just requires the top managers to take a pay cut and live below their means for a bit. And companies wonder why nobody wants to go back to work.", "I should have expressed that was what I felt the CEO was essentially saying on the call. All good.", "Okay, Donny.", "And if keeping these employees is bad business… why keep them any longer? They won’t be your employees soon anyway.", "/s", "What is Hooli? The color festival thing right? I saw the Daisy girl at the end.", "I'm talking about assuming the worst of the CEO in the video.\n\n>Oh fuck off mate.\n\nYou should try being nice. You'll feel better.", "It's upsetting that the nature of capitalism results in all of those things. But capitalism is the culprit. It has created an environment where companies are only responsible for making the most money for their investors, often at the expense of the well-being of their staff. You may not like that that is the answer, but it is. It's not an excuse, or a justification, just fact. An unfortunate and ugly fact. There only way to remedy it is to make decisions like this hurt the company by boycotting them. If the decision costs more than it makes then they'll think twice about doing something similar in the future.", "Right? For me its just that I don't want to have to fire folk unless I want to, the idea of having to piece off product to pay off these folk are wild. Just sell and then expand, everyone wants to do the opposite it seems.", "Barnes and noble did exactly this. We call it the Black Monday. 1800 full-time employees were laid off by their store managers calling them into the office during their shift, Head Cashiers, Receiving Managers, and Key employees. If you weren't working you were called in. If you couldn't come in they did it over the phone. It went exactly as expected and it was awful to experience.", "He wasn't being a gigantic sack of shit tho...? Did you even watch the video or did you just come to a random conclusion with assumptions and nothing more?", "I have the crazy notion that a business can both support and help their employees while still making money. The argument isn't about a company making profits anymore from wallstreet, it's making more money. As if the extra hundred million will dent the billions already in pocket.", "affect\n\nsource: my high school education", "No it isn’t. This is a reasonable and actually very honorable move to do this the way he did it. Please tell me what you think he could have improved.", "Yes but just because it makes business sense doesn't mean it makes human sense. Laying them off right before the holidays is just cold.", "You would quit your job with even less notice than he just gave if you got a better offer somewhere else. Why do you expect different from your employer?", "This might shock you, but turning a profit and not fucking over your employees doesn’t have to be mutually exclusive.", "There's no point pretending you're anything more than disposable in a company's perspective. You're just harming yourself in the long term by thinking differently.\n\nI'm always looking for a new opportunity after working at a place for around 2 years, and have no hesitation leaving them, so I wouldn't expect them to care for me any more than I care for them.", "You’re such an arrogant ass. You sure you’re not related to this asshole too? \n\nhttps://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire", "It's so he can make more money personally", "you're assuming that extra 15% if the staff was redundant. in practice, the company was likely appropriately staffed to run the business in a sustainable (read: profitable but perhaps not quarter-over-quarter continuous growth) way, except the outside investment wanted to hear that they could cut costs (salaries) to show better anticipated returns. Sometimes it works and the remaining staff pick up the slack, sometimes it doesn't and they end up spending even more money than planned but by then the deal is done.", "Adorable that you think long term strategy plays into things at this stage of a company's life. Giant funds buy these companies, fuck with them to make them look nice, then sell them for a profit or go public for profit. \n\nNone of this has to do with mortgages or the training involved to run that company.", "To the children that are actually getting offended by this man, go back to bed or go play outside, you don’t understand the working world, the norm is for CEOs to send their department managers to individual groups to let them know they’re fired, so it gets much worse than this, at least this man is willing to tell them himself. Thankfully there are enough realists here that are aware enough to not get triggered by the “over zoom call” bit, as if that’s inappropriate… \n\nFrom the looks of it you all are still teleworking, so instead was the CEO supposed to show up to each of your doorsteps with a gift basket and tell you sorry to your face? Come on, I’m sorry about the employees getting laid off, I really am, but get out of here with that sensationalist bullshit OP.", "For sure, from an investing perspective it's crazy to see how big this approach can be.", "I get what you are saying but you don't get them. They don't care, and due to the way society is set up they don't have to care. \n\nI wish it was different, but it is not.", "And when a lot of people spend a lot more than usual, too. Bad timing. Even if people do things like this, it’s best to do so in March or so. This month is just cruel.", "Nah I’m just a lower class, (formally) uneducated person who’s at peace with the nature of business and what my value is in the job market. \n \nIf I had my way I’d put an end to greed and run the world on clean water and psychedelic celebrations.", "lol capitalism doesnt have to give a fuck about you - and it doesnt. Fuck your life, your bills, your family, your community that needs you spend that money.\n\nBut how much does that CEO make? And his Bonuses he will get after firing you? Just wait and see.", "Damn, right? Worst I got was having to wait longer for it yearly raises, as we weren't sure how the pandemic would affect business. It kinda sucked but I was happy to forgo that for a bit to ensure I still had employment.\n\nTurns out we did just fine and after raises also got back-pay that totaled a bit more than I'd have gotten with the raise itself.", "You give your employees notice first.\n\nEverywhere I've worked if there's going to be layoffs about 3 months before they announce layoffs are going to happen, anyone want redundancy now.\n\nThen some take it, then a lot will leave anyway with new job offers then if they still need to make cuts the remainers will then be assessed and made redundant if need be.\n\nYou don't just at the drop of the hat and right before Christmas do a zoom call and lay off 15% of your work force, then quit the call and shutdown your employees computers.\n\nEspecially if you've been working there for years.", "I'm sure they have a nice measure of how many hours the person worked remote. Everything is ready now.\n\nI know a lot of people not working their full shift remote now and slacking off big time.", "Unfortunately it happens a lot in a lot of companies. I worked in a medical tech company and they had culls every 1.5 years. I remember a guy from a different department who worked hard and stayed late to get stuff done. Had a friendly and helpful attitude on the job. During one cull, a new manager came in who didn't know anything about the employees, had to pick someone and the hard worker got canned.\n\nA friend of mine was working on a Disney game and just before Christmas the entire project got canceled and the entire team lost their job. This stuff is more common in the gaming industry.", "> Be the change then. With your own business, not someone else's.\n\nWhat a childlike understanding of politics and worker rights movements. Read a book.\n\n\"Go and start another company then\" is an utterly pathetic way to respond to criticism of the way a company treats it's workers. Not everyone wants to own a company or start a business, that doesn't mean they shouldn't have basic worker rights as an employee.\n\n> I've never laid off anyone in any business I've run. \n\nRunning a business with 2-3 workers doesn't really qualify you to comment on this any more than the average worker. Unless you're actually a proper CEO, in which case fair enough, but I doubt it.\n\n>You ever worked for a year for no pay?\n\nNo, because I didn't take on the risk of starting my own business, dumbass.\n\nThat's your risk to take as a business owner. Your workers are not expected to take the brunt of your poor decisions and failure to make a profit.\n\n>Do the employees in that company share any of the blame for the troubles? \n\nIrrelevant. If management cannot address these issues in any way and have allowed 15% of their workforce to stagnate, that's managements problem not the workers. \n\n>How many of those people missed their goals?\n\nIrrelevant. This wasn't a performance review or the firing of an employee for missing their goals, this was the blanket firing of 15% of the workforce.\n\nHonestly pathetic the way people will sooner decide that 15% of the workforce deserves to be fired than consider that maybe this is the fault of poor management.\n\nAlso, how many of those goals were inflated to the point that they were realistically unachievable? You can't seriously be unaware of the practice of setting unrealistic goals for a worker to give cause to lay them off in mass lay-offs like this?\n\n-----\n\nTo put it simply, if you're managing a company and you have reached a point where 15% off your workforce isn't effectively working, you have fucked up. This idea that 15% of workers are just bad and deserve to be unemployed is silly.", "Super insightful awesome capitalist redditor vs. dumb “workers are people too” hivemind. Who will win? Tune in next week to see more of the best argument for unions ever* played out right before your unworthy eyes!", "This^", "Vanity stocks are not Ponzi schemes. They may be a long term pump and dump but they are not a Ponzi scheme. The entire market is at your own risk but what you are suggesting would essentially tank the market. Stock holders would then demand that they not give employees stock rewards but pay more in dividends. There really isn’t a scenario where stockholders will want less money. If the company doesn’t comply the board gets replaced with people who will comply.", "No, I understand that. But you are not seeing from their perspective, think about it, when you are above it all and you can be even more wealthy and there are no consequences for it to YOU. Then you have no reason to care. I sure, you could be empathetic and care for your employees, but is up to you as an individual. However, the people that get to those tops do it by climbing on the backs of others without any regard. So, THEY DONT CARE.", "Yeah, this is just a modern day pink slip. Not sure how else a person could handle it when they do it.", "Murica!!!", "Because it turns out management is making the decision.\n\nIt's not crazy to think you'd need more people in the early stages of a business like this while you're still inefficient as shit.", "Are you the reason the company sucks and has three mass firings under your watch?", "If a company fails, those employees fail no matter what. Would you rather have both the company and the employees fail? Your argument makes no sense. You're just trying to drag down more people with you to make yourself feel better about being cut off.\n\nKeeping the employees=The company goes under. The company goes under=The employees get fired anyways. So no matter what the cycle continues.", "There's no misinformation I posted, I posted facts. You asked for my opinion, that doesn't mean a post needs removing if I don't give it. Stop shilling.", "Yeah. That’s what every business should do if the staff size is larger than necessary. All businesses should trim headcount to the. Inimical cost necessary to deliver on the companies goals.", "I appreciate your comment, especially when the media and White House are lying about how great the economy is.", "Oh well that's okay then.... :/", "Not interested in companies that value profits over people.", "We're working on it \n\nr/antiwork", "It's not really job security, it's just pushing the worry about job security on someone else. So instead of an employee having to worry about where the work and money is going to come from, the people in charge have to. Of course sometimes an employee is that person but majority of employees aren't making those decisions.", "The only way to fix it is to convince enough people how shitty it is and to encourage them to detach from the system that is exploiting them. That, or wait for it to collapse and pick up the pieces that remain. Id rather we do the former than the latter, but like you said \"That's the way the world works\". Hope you dont depend entirely on your money having value to feed yourself, its gonna get bad this winter.", "All about me - I’m so sad to have to fire you. This guy is a scumbag.", "That is the CEO's legal duty. His responsibility is to the shareholders, not the company, not the staff, the shareholders. \n\n\nThe real villainy are the analysts that continue to promote those metrics. Until those analysts start factoring in things like staff retention rates in their analysis the shareholders aren't going to care.\n\nCEOs are just the apartment managers hired by absentee slum lord shareholders... you know 401k holders who don't give two shits how the companies are run, just make my returns bigger.\n\nYou can see a trend with this kind of behavior when the 401k became popular. Pile on ETFs and you now have 3 generations of absentee slum lord investors hiring these CEOs to do just this.\n\nWe are the slum lords trying to deflect blame to the person we hired.", "Soooo... basically Marty McFly's boss in Back to the Future Part II...?", "That’s true. And the positives outweigh the negatives if capitalism is properly regulated.", "They won't be doing that. Or if they do, that's a problem for another day. They just need to make themselves look good now.", "I smell a lot of insecurity in this comment", "Alright, what do you think is the purpose of a business?", "Excellent. A classic.", "Think Whole Foods setting up shop (a table on the side of the road) next to the local farmers stand and selling at a loss during tomato season.", "No, but it makes it way easier.", "Am software engineer. Can confirm. If you're good at your job in this industry you can have a job that pays 30% more by next week if you wanted. It's wild out there. BUT not everyone at Better getting fired will have been software engineers. My guess is that in that pool of people getting fired were a lot of low performing engineers and then a bunch of people with lower salaries that aren't engineers. Generally you try to layoff those that you wanted to replace anyway. Those are people that will most likely have a more difficult time getting a job.", "In a capitalist system, you generally find the lower classes have zero respect for themselves but that is all by design", "Glad you saved money, so they could do this to their employees!\n\nSarcasm aside, good on you for taking advantage of them, but they aren't going to give away free rates like that forever. When they start to corner marketshare they will start charging the same rates as everyone else or higher.", "Nah it sucks, we had a severance last year for 6 months and benefits for 9 I think? That was for Sprint when it was bought out by T-Mobile. Better than this but we had a team of about 250+ just all fired in one day same style over the phone conference too. Shorty thing is I worked along side people how worked there easily 20+ years. These companies Do Not Care!", "Did you not understand the post above? It's great for the consumer.", "You aren't wrong, but maybe there is a better way for humans to be....", "In a perfect world yah", "Why", "It was a business decision. A business is not a charity. He’s not going to employ deadweight. What kind of businessman would do that", "It's not adjustable. He's set for the term", "Did you miss the part where only the next end of quarter report matters? That other stuff is next quarter’s problem.", "The end goal for Uber and Lyft is to get to the point where self driving cars are viable and legal so they can get rid of all their drivers. I think that is coming slower than they expected, however.", "Next week headline \"Vishal Garg receives $41m bonus\"", "I love that people think this is some new or different stage of “capitalism” when it’s in fact exactly how capitalism is and always will be.", "I get that they don't care. I've worked for enough retail companies as management to see exactly how they feel about their employees vs profits. I don't think the solution comes from convincing the corporate owners but rather the regular public.", "« lmao ur unemployed »", "Seems better.com is not in fact better, but just a sweaty, greasy serving of more of the same shitty business tactics.", "In your analogy, the 100 storey building would need to be full of people to make sense.", "It totally depends on your job, what kind of info you have access to for your position and the rules your governance and compliance department set in place. At my company a disgruntled employee with access to the right information can cause a lot of damage.", "R/trashy", "It's not that farfetched to believe if people are working from home. Depending on the job, everyone has a \"required work\" pile and an \"extra work\" pile in their minds each day, and with the distractions and comforts of home, it's easy to fall into a pattern of just doing what is required rather than maximizing your workload. I get paid full time and only work 15-20 hrs a week myself.", "Dam I remember when I was suddenly let go from Total Quality Logistics my benefits were gone at the end of that very day.", "Well yeah they don’t want to loose their money", "Sounds like these \"company\" things are a bad idea...", "As I get older, I discover people aren’t very bright or haven’t been in a position to where they would likely make the same choices in their journey to success.\n\nNot saying ethical practices don’t exist but shouldn’t surprise anyone if you’ve payed attention long enough.", "From what I understand this is the way tech startups work - just get market share regardless of the cost/burn-rate.", "> I'm talking about assuming the worst of the CEO in the video.\n\nMy bad, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed you weren't stupid enough to think that criticising this business practice which we know the full details of is \"aSsUmInG tHe WoRsT!\"\n\n>You should try being nice\n\nYou should try getting some thicker skin. \"Oh fuck off mate\" is a term of exasperation, not some personal attack. Chill out a bit.", "False. Best way to lose your job is getting caught fucking boss's daughter at a cocaine party.", "It is all about him, isn't it? “That’s just his deal,” a former employee says. “Vishal is obsessed with power, and with perceptions of his own self in the world.” I think he has the makings of a great CEO. s/ , yet not/s", "On no, you're blind :/", "You can work for the government.", "....which is the reason the jobs existed to begin with", "This is WeWork all over again. With SoftBank in their corner. Again.", "A CEO of an online financial services company being shady? No way…", "Can't confirm the bonus itself, but what I meant by saying \"it's about the bonus\" is that the bonus indicated the company clearly isn't struggling and at risk of going under.\n\nA more compelling and relevant example would be the massive cash injection they recently got.", "Many people don't understand the difference between an excuse and an explanation.", "...but they're going public", "They aren't trying to be profitable in what they sell, they are trying to be profitable in selling stock. The short term gains in stock price are worth the destabilizing action of laying this many people off. It won't really affect the bottom line for 3 or 4 quarters enough of a delay as the 85% pick up the slack long enough before burning out. This way the corporate officers are able to get a good bonus and profit from stock sales and cut out before restructuring really has to take place after they leave.", "Yeah companies never give a shit what is job security anyone been out of work since just before covid hit and can not find a damn thing and i am sure when i do i will always be waiting to get one of these bland corporate we care but actually we do not your fired messages.", "oh ok i thought people who owned shares were shareholders but what do i know", "Yep. My company laid about 10% of the workforce off in 2020. Luckily I wasn’t cut but I started looking for a new job immediately because it left such a shitty taste in my mouth. Fuck them.", "A thousand times this. Who cares about long-term growth, quality of life, employee confidence and well-being when there are EPS targets to hit.", "I’ve been in the lucky crowd many times and seen people get laid off but our company always gave them 2 weeks then employment would end.", "It’s terrible but how capitalism works. Thinking otherwise is dangerous, you’ll be caught out thinking your employer actually cares about you when really it’s an exchange of services for money.", "The problem isn't the method, there are worse methods like the classic mailed or handed out notices of termination. Companies have long had more impersonal and cold ways of laying off large amounts of employees. \n\nThe problem is why, why the company will benefit from this in a bid to go public, even if this does nothing to help productivity/profitability.\n\n\nPeople are acting like mass layoff are some new phenomenon. Companies wiping out a chunk of workforce in far less personal ways has happened for a long time. Getting a pink slip instead of a pay check at the end of the week has long been a favored method for big faceless corporations.", "Take it a step further: the wallstreetbets morons are correct. \n\n\nThat's just capitalism. The problem is they're so brainwashed they see it as a good thing.", "All labour is skilled. There is no such thing as unskilled labour.", "> If you don't understand how EPS juicing via layoffs ahead of an IPO sets up a company for failure or at the very least stunted growth that's on you. \n\n\nNo that's not on me, that's on the CEO. If you want to argue what he's doing is a bad business decision, that's entirely different than a moral argument, which was my whole point.", "Coming to terms with the reality of my situation is not the same as celebrating it. \n \nYou seem intent on assigning me some economically idealogical position for the sake of having an internet argument. \n \nDon’t care tho Probably gonna draw cats 🐈", "It's going the SPAC route, so you're going to need to buy in and hope, or start making friends with Son Masayoshi.", "Have you seen everything in the vision fund? How could you possibly think they were out of money lol?", "HR makes sense though. If you run a company wouldn’t you want some liability protection? And HR also supports employees. Gives them what they need to work", "Haha no Im just your everyday developer. I have no say in firings. Or hirings for that matter.", "Huh? You’d rather they make you drive to the office to get laid off?", "Ah that makes more sense, I missed your original point.\n\nYeah the $750 million in capital injection on top of the apparent reserves they had shouldn’t warrant a 15% reduction in work force. Seems like either horrible mismanagement or trying to get themselves into a position to go public at a higher IPO value - maybe both.", "No one is complaining about Amazon pay. They're complaining about employee treatment....", "Oh you'd love the latter, all of you types would.", "The standard in the past for a long time for large and widespread companies was mailed or handed out notices of termination. The behavior of mass layoffs is nothing new. One could argue the CEO standing there talking live to everyone (on camera or in person) is better than getting a letter telling you you're out of a job.", "Why don't investors see that you just chopped all your talent?", "Gotta be the dumbest thing I’ve seen on Reddit today. \n\n“Just start a company without capital”", "I want to know where he got this idea that investors would think this is a good idea.", "99.99% of the time if you get laid off you find a better and more lucrative job later. It might take 6 months but it’s almost always a blessing in disguise", "The idea is that investors don't know how bad you just fucked the company, so they buy it anyway.", "\"it hurts so much, so much i cried. not so much id take a pay cut. Oh no no never that. But i legit cried. totes.\"", "Mods here have a history of removing non-political videos if they are even remotely pro-union or even critical of capitalism. I’m not saying your post should be removed, and I hope I’m proven wrong.", "You spelled r/justneckbeardthings wrong", "How is this bad? His message was actually pretty solid. If you don’t want to get fired be more replaceable and don’t work in an extremely cyclical business", "Zero profit, not zero revenue, which probably is true.", "Shareholders are not donors. They shouldn't have to give paying jobs if it isn't in their best interest to do so.", "Mine was a recorded message, is have offered a live call with follow-up Q&A", "Back in april of 2020, my old software company hired someone like this. The euphemism by upper management was that this was an asset liquidator. I sat across a table with this man I had never seen before as he was telling me that my access was revoked and that I would be escorted out. As he was handing me a folder with prepared paperwork, the legalese. One of my close coworkers asked this man the same questions that came up in that clip. about family, sleeping at night, etc. My coworker says that the man answered as follows: \"I don't own a home, I have no family, I drive no car, I sleep in hotels. I fly from city to city, company to company, country to country and do this exact job for most of the year, every year.\" \n\nPersonally, I think that is the coldest answer I would have expected. I don't know if the man was lying, and if he was truthful, what to think of him.", "Depending on what the job is", "\"End stage capitalism\" and \" late stage capitalism\" does not always intend to convey the person who uses it belief.\n\nIt serves as an emphatic redundancy to associate capitalism with terminal cancer, which accurately portrays how this short sighted approach will be the undoing of both society and culture but the planet all together.\n\nWe should always refer to it as such.", "> Workers give their lives and livelihoods for companies that then feel zero need for reciprocation.\n\nThe reciprocation is the pay that you receive when you're needed. That's how labor works.", "Don’t just come to terms, man! There’s still hope. You can draw cats in the morning and read Das Kapital in the evening to keep the dream alive.", "Sucks a hell of a lot more during Christmas. Sucks in april too sure. But I imagine that doesn't sting as much.", ">Could you explain to me what part of my comment makes you think cash should be burned?\n\nThis part....\n\n>You should be calling for regulation that restricts companies from fucking over 1000s of people to save money", "These people who got laid off agree with you I’m sure. It’s always how it is. The people who real the benefits from capitalism always talk about how it’s the greater good. Just BS dog", "You could work for somewhere else than a for profit mortgage company…. I get that you are still part of a larger system but there are other career choices.", "Short term quarterly gain > literally anything else in the universe. \n\n\nno amount of logic will pernitrate a capitalist mind and augment this equation.", "That's what I was thinking too. The last agency I was at axed a number of people earlier this year. Those people only got two weeks severance and insurance till the end of the month.", "The fact is he doesn't have to see a single person look him. In the eye and he just turns the call off and gives his mates hi fives.... Yet if he was in a hall he would have to face questions and respond to people..... Now he gets ti ignore it all and disconnect from them.", "Depends on what his incentives are. His package might be based on the price at the time of liquidity plus maybe a bonus for the following year. If that’s it then the CEO is likely to focus on that time frame and no further.", "Has anyone else noticed that a person's frequency of \"uuuummmmm\" and \"uuhhhhhh\" seems to correlate directly to how high up in a company they are? I fucking hate meetings with the C-level execs at my company because 70% of the time they are speaking is one of these noises. I've counted on a number of occasions, out of boredom. The record was 70%, but it averages out at about 45%. \n \nAnd if you've watched the show Succession, you may have noticed that all of the top people at the company have \"evolved\" into just saying \"ah huh\" in response to basically everything/anything. The bigger of a cheese you are, the less actual stuff you have to say... because fuck all us plebs I guess.", "Vishal see about that", "This is a wake up call to all of you who just keep your status icon green all day doing nothing from home. \n\nPeople know you're not working at all. They are building a case against you and your performance until it meets a HR threshold of not being wrongful termination.", "So, good business decision?", "What? Out of touch with a ceo laying off employees because he thinks it’s best for the company? I said if this is meant to shame it misses the mark. What is the issue with a ceo doing what he thinks is best for the company he is tasked with making these decisions for? Theoretically if this was a mistake the market will speak…. What’s childish?", "The public does not care either. When was the last time you ordered an uber eats and gave a shit about the people making your food or the driver? The solution comes from an UBI, if the companies can't replace workers ad infinitum, then they will treat the workers better.", "\"For today's all staff meeting, I'll be working from home\". Your CEO", "Don't you hate it when you get fired with a months severance pay? These fools are lucky and don't even know it.", "Ouch, that’s cold.", "Are we supposed to be mad at him for doing this? It seems a heck of a lot better than just getting some email. At least he did it himself like a man rather than pawning it off on his subordinates. What's the big deal? I can see that he's not a great public speaker and how he said it was awkward but it's better than alternatives.", "So if your value is determined by the time you spend producing and not by the sum of what you produce, then one day of losing 5.5 hours unaddressed is a management problem.", "I'm actually trying to right now. The biggest problem I'm running into is funding. I have a provisional patent currently and am in the sees funding stage with a prototype under my belt but not really any capital.", "It’s easier to go in the trenches and do the dirty work when you know you’ll come home to a hot shower and a warm bed at night. Not as admirable as it sounds.", "That is all well and good until the CEO is making 280x the average worker.", "Why is he terrible at it? Firing a large amount of people at once isn't something most people do on a daily basis. I think he did what he needed to do", "Yes, because America is the only place this ever happens. Every other company across the world would never place profit over its employees, that would just be wrong.", "200 years ago most of the business was family owned in usa too, so most people cared for longer than for just one quarter", "Then it was always end stage capitalism? Especially during laissez faire because it was even worse?", "This happened at my company but it was 50% (around 200 people)", "Well if they did it in person disgruntled employees couldn't record it in the most tech illiterate fashion I've seen.", "Except it kinda is a new stage of capitalism. It's the same base concept, yes. \n\nBut the point is that for a while, we were still so inefficient the common worker wasn't typically the one getting used an abused to the degree you see today, and it wasn't nearly as cutthroat. \n\nNow that we have had enough time and space and growth, businesses are fiercely efficient at the top and even to exist period, many small businesses have to be extremely efficient. \n\nThis leads to a lot of fucked up shit happening that affects people in ways they weren't affected before. \n\nIt feels significantly separate enough at this point I think referring to it as a new stage is appropriate, if not technically correct.", "That's how businesses grow though and become more efficient. They find ways to improve processes while reducing cost. This is not a bad thing, this is part of business and part of life. If everyone always got to keep their job or do what they wanted to do at a job, every company would go under", "> I am impressed Softbank still has money left\n\nThe Vision Funds have over $150 *billion* in capital. I'm sure they'll be fine.", "Yes", "We don’t know. It’s the principal-agent problem so the CEO’s and the company’s interests diverge … we just don’t know by how much and over what time frame.\n\nIn general the CEO is going to look forward a few years but some might know they’re about to get fired so want to maximize their next cliff, or they might be the grandson of the founder and have other metrics, or they might live in the same small town as the employees, or they may be building a company to get to Mars and it’s going to take 10+ years. All these situations will create different goals.", "ITT: Unambitous losers complaining about management.", "Honest doesn’t seem like word here", "Ya,I had all my financial obligations going through my mind. Immediate regret on recent purchases. How to tell my family. Everything all at once. After letting the initial shock pass, the logical side steps in and begins to work things out. But that inital shock is terrifying. \n\nWent through it at the beginning of the pandemic like a lot of people out there.", "Some of the best companies in the world cut 10% of their workforce every year due to low performance. It’s your company, you can run it anyway that you want…", "I don't even understand this argument. So what, should there be a law that companies aren't allowed to lay people off?\n\nOf course it sucks for the people that lost their jobs, but I don't think the opinion of society has any bearing on operating a business for profit. A little selfish? Yeah maybe, but likely the person that made this decision would have lost their job if they didnt pull the trigger, and the next person in line would have had to.\n\n\nThere's also the possibility that they were way overstaffed, new investors identified this and introduced plans to rework productivity, and they simply didn't need this many people sitting around doing 34 hours of work a week.", "Seems like he made the right career moves", "It’s one thing to come to terms with the reality of the situation you’re in and manage your own expectations for the sake of your mental health.\n\nIt’s another thing to roll over and say it’s okay that you’re trapped in a broken system that unnecessarily fucks millions of people a day and you should just accept and deal with it and anyone who can’t is the problem.\n\nThe people who think this way aren’t the ones at fault. Capitalism is.", "I agree with you there. I also believe UBI is an inevitability and we should prepare now but seeing how well we prepared for climate change I don't hold high hopes.", "I'm going to apologize up front because this is going to be a long post as there's multiple parts to answer here. try to look at the bottom if you don't want a text spam and I promise I'll do my best for a TLDR:\n\n* Yes I was financially dependent on my job, but I am a saver and I was able to ride out unemployment on my savings and unemployment benefits...for 13 months. Unemployment ran out after 6 months, 4 of which I was getting a severance package (honestly, the severance was very generous) and then it was my own savings for every month afterwards. Before anyone assumes, no, I'm not well off. Like I said, I am a saver and I cut a LOT of costs because you simply don't know when you'll get another job and why risk the money you have when you don't know how long it needs to last.\n* For the record, the job market in my area was awful and I was desperately trying to stay where I lived to be close to family. I was very much an introvert and didn't have friends in the area anymore, nor elsewhere in the states so it was scary to think about losing the only social interaction I had left. I eventually moved to another part of the country, made myself more social and have the best job, group of friends, and lifestyle I've ever had (I really wanted to add this last part so people don't think I'm still in a bad situation...just still post traumatic about it as diagnosed by a therapist).\n* Also side note, the job I finally got in my hometown was for a small local company who needed somebody to internal audit them. I was there for only 6 months. I found major problems...and they didn't want me to report or track remediation of them. I was 5 months into the job and this scared the shit out of me. I was let go a month later because I refused to not report what I found (they said it was because I wasn't doing work. Sure...because I told you what I was working on, you agreed to it, and then told the people I needed to work with not to work with me). I moved to another part of the country shortly after and have thrived since.\n* What's important to realize in this is that finances are only a part of the actual trauma you go through when this happens (especially the first time) - there's multiple parts we just never talk about. For one, you spend so much of your daily life at your job that when its taken away from you in an instant, you feel as if a massive part of your life is just taken from you. You're literally grieving losing part of your life. I wouldn't try to equate a job to an actual family member I have, but imagine someone very close to you suddenly just died in front of you. It almost feels like that - \"Wait what? But it was like this just a moment ago...how? This doesn't make sense, I'm still here but...its gone?\"\n* Then there's the inescapable feeling of failure and just not being good enough, this is why you were let go. It doesn't matter how many accomplishments you had at your job in the moment - none of them mattered because you were let go. \"But I worked crazy overtime and did all these projects and improved these areas and worked with assholes and-\" it doesn't matter. You were let go. For this company, all of it was for nothing. But it meant something to you! You were told it brought value along the way! Sure...but it doesn't matter now \\[I want to be very clear here, this is how you feel in the moment, but it's NOT TRUE, EVERYTHING MATTERED. This is why your LinkedIn and Resume need to be updated every time you do a major project because when you can sell it right, you WILL get another job\\].\n* Getting let go impacts everyone you love. You feel inadequate, like a failure, and you're suffering regardless if you let others see it or not (because people still feel pity for you even if you don't show it, and it kills you because you don't want them to feel this way and be proud and happy for you, but you can only do that if you get another job and even then, there's that lingering sting afterwards because people remember). The longer you're unemployed, the more your inadequacy grows and the more you feel your loved ones worry about you. It's like a crushing weight you have to carry but makes taking every step you take feel that much harder. Every application you don't hear back from, every interview that doesn't lead to something more, and worse knowing you were not the top candidate when you make it to the final interview between you and 1 other person feel that much more of a defeat. Everyone starts off stronger than where they end on a job hunt journey.\n\nTLDR: Financially dependent on my employer, was a saver and was able to ride out unemployment until I got another job, the emotions were a MASSIVE part to the lay off and the aftermath, and it's a massive thing to try and process in the moment.\n\nEdit: thank you for the gold kind stranger. Totally unnecessary but humbly appreciated", "Securing investments are not a sign of a succesful company. That company would be able to pay for that future itself.", "It is a bad thing. Real people with real lives now don't have a job. \n\nThat is always a bad thing.", "Right.. before.. Christmas.", "I'm sorry this happened to you.\n\nEdit: seriously? People downvoted this? I hope you have a lot of love coming your way in your lives because this is just disgusting", "I'm sorry this happened to you.", "I love how people think “socialism” is the answer when that happens. Many more won’t be making much. You depend on the government more and more. Quality of of life in each sector goes down. People need to realize that “why are so many people trying to come to America”. “Why do people always ask America for help during tragedy.... or for money”....... schools today make you want to hate this place and it seems to be the trend but it’s damn good here. My best friend from Kenya could wake up so many people but some people refuse to believe it.", "\"The last time I did it \\[laid people off\\], I cried. \" This time, my $750,000,000 bonus will probably keep me from going there.", "At times it's even worse, because they literally release both husband and wife at the same time. And on occasion, it's been people with newborn babies at home.\n\nSo, now they lose both income streams and have a baby to take care of.\n\nOr, people who moved to the US through the work visa they got with WWE, they buy a house since they signed a multi year contract, then they get released and can't work anywhere else because of the non-compete. So, they lose the visa and are going to get deported and lose their house.\n\nIt's so scummy.", "What the hell is better.com?", "Buddhist hulk is exactly how I’d describe this comment lol \n\nWay to live up to the name!", "[Straight out of the Gavin Belson playbook.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u48vYSLvKNQ)", "ooh what tickerwill they use?.. asking for a friend", "Weird as some of the shit he said is, the fact that it was over zoom isn't really weird at all. Why are people making such a big deal about that part?", "Is this more \"Merry Christmas\", or \"Happy Holidays\"?", "That Milton Friedman economic philosophy is starting to get called out for how short sighted it is - https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2013/06/26/the-origin-of-the-worlds-dumbest-idea-milton-friedman/?sh=18c62e76870e", "I've been, thunderstruck!", "It wasnt so bad for me, it was a temporary lay off. But at the time you really don't know what \"temporary\" actually entails. But I was back at work 3 months later. So its all good.", "All this makes sense. Thanks for sharing! The analogy in my mind is seeing cop lights behind you while driving. Even if you can afford the fine/points, your stomach just drops out.", "Doesnt help that The CEO and his sidekick ( the women ) seem like real scumbags. How was it working there", "To those defending this turd's actions in the comments, you should all have a quick Google of this guy - he's a real piece of work. Though sociopathic tendencies might make for a successful CEO, it doesn't make you any less of a piece of shit. \n\n&#x200B;\n\n[https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire](https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire)\n\n[https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2020/11/20/mortgages-fraud-claims-and-dumb-dolphins-a-tangled-past-haunts-bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg/?sh=183b877110f4](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2020/11/20/mortgages-fraud-claims-and-dumb-dolphins-a-tangled-past-haunts-bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg/?sh=183b877110f4)", "At Will employment. You can quit the same way on a zoom call if you wanted to. I see no reason to be mad at this process when you signed up for it. \n\nThe thing to note is the fact that these companies that chase unicorn status and get money thrown at by investors such as SoftBank, end up planning for massive growth and sales when in reality they should be moving more cautiously. This causes them to hire too many people too fast and leave them hanging when reality hits. But who wants to hear the word ‘cautiously’ in the toxic VC driven mania in Silicon Valley. Ofcourse the people usually hurt by these decisions are not sitting on top.", "What if I told you that there are morals that exist outside of capitalism. \n\nI fully understand why the decision was made, I just think it's one that exemplifies the brutality of capitalism, in a time when that brutality is becoming less and less necessary. It's unsustainable.", "If you're a 24 year old Year 1 MBA candidate, or the last book you read was Atlas Shrugged, then \"The purpose of a company is to increase shareholder value and pay the owners profit\" is the correct answer because that's literally what an undergrad professor said once word-for-word. \n\nGet a little works under your belt and you can learn that the purpose of a company is determined by the owners. Maximizing profits is certainly one purpose. Owners can also choose to forgo potential profits for whatever benefit they see fit, and that counts as capitalism as well. Squeezing the last penny of profits out of an organization and its workers is a choice, not a requirement.", "Doesn't address my point at all. The stress and responsibility is ONE of the supposed reasons for their compensation, so no one gives a shit about the tears, it's part of the job.\n\n\n>You on the other hand are nothing besides a contributor in antiwork.\n\nDamn, the cult is coming up with new lingo. Who are you people anyway that rush to comfort the filthy rich from some light ribbing on the internet?", "Because they know that the remaining employees will be exploited to do the work of the 15% for no extra money.", "I meant that this is the “second time I have had to do this” I like CEOs that don’t have to mass layoff employees. \nMost companies are run be idiots.", "So? Y’all beg for remote work and are mad when work things are done remotely? If he gathered them to say it in person, them he would be a super spreader? How do you win?", "Dude. There used to literally be indentured servitude. You think workers are treated worse now?\n\nWhat fucking history books are you reading?", "It's not. Im not sure why people are mad about it. \n\nWhen I got laid off from a public school there was no assistance, only a document they made me sign acknowledging that my position was being cut in a couple of months. Them trying to help was mentioning a district job fair that was estimated to take place a week or so before my final day, but they didn't know exactly when for a while.", "I think what is going to happen is what used to happen in medieval Europe with serfs. \n\nThe rich will hide away in their castle complexes for the duration of winter having exacted a high tax on the their workers and waiting out the cold. The workers will inevitably die off to some percentage, and the cycle will continue. \n\nIn this case, the cold is anything from climate disasters, to war. And we the common people are the poor serfs.", "Because he is terrible at running a company.", "why during Christmas time?", "Oof I was not expecting the \"if you're on this call\" part.", "Idk the Europeans seem pretty happy. I think you’ll find that over time fewer and fewer of our first world counterparts will be coming here. \n\nFFS we’re not even in the top 10 of any health or happiness index. I think that probably is a reason to consider the kinds of systems the better countries are using. \n\nBecause they suffer none of the issues you described.", "https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2013/06/26/the-origin-of-the-worlds-dumbest-idea-milton-friedman/?sh=18c62e76870e", "Watch the television show called silicon valley on HBO. Really good show by the way.", "If you think I'm speaking about working history from the 1700s til now and not speaking on the general flow and efficiency of businesses over the last 60 or so years I don't know what to tell you my dude", "Thank you so much for reading the whole thing (I know it's a lot).\n\nThat's actually not a bad analogy. No offense, but I hope its more that than what I felt.", "I think it’s fucked but what else am I to do?", "Still am working there. It's fine. I have worked at many startups and all of them have had mass layoffs at one point or another. Working here for the most part has been pretty great. Pay is really good and benefits are excellent. Overall, I think people are really overreacting. There is a lot of \"We are changing the world\" BS that gets thrown around here and a lot of people who believed it lost their jobs. \n\n\nI think there is some feelings of betrayal which is also ridiculous because people are fucking naive if they think a corporation gives a single shit about them.", "Hearing the person’s reaction flooded me with flashbacks to the last time I found myself jobless. That wave of emotions of shit now I have no dependable income, shit I need to find a new job, shit my life has just been turned upside down. Thankfully I’m in a much better spot now financially and in my career, but man I’ve been there before. I feel for them. It’s a shitty, shitty feeling.", "there are better ways doing it", "I got legally separated 3 Weeks before what would be the largest tech IPO in my country's history. I had just Recieved 107% on my annual review.\n\nI was a fraud analyst. I have quit the industry entirely and in January I start nursing school. I'm never working in a cubicle again.", "Hey, but the CEO is getting rich, so it’s alright /s", "Yes that everyone should have a high paying job and should never be able to be laid off regardless of how little they work.", "Agreed. Capitalism has its flaws just like anything designed by human hands but I’d much rather be laid off via Zoom call then put in a mass grave", "> management problem\n\nI agree (that point was never in contention). \n\nBut in my case, it's more of a 'everything's cool so long as x, y, and z get done by the end of the month' kind of job. Everything extra I do are cherries on top and completely my call.", "CEO Garg ought to be next up for the unemployment line, imo", ">I'm not really sure what people expect this to be like.\n\nAnything that doesn't involve your CEO openly trying to feel better about doing you dirty to your face. Individual HR meetings. You know, the basic level of corporate respect.", "God I got secondhand anxiety from this video", "He matured. He still has a big heart but now he understands that his employees are smart and resilient and will find better jobs and be even more successful. He now understands that he’s not hurting them, he’s helping them thrive.", "Business doesn't care about Christmas, they care about their own christmas. Humans are self centered. Most of us, including most of the people reading this, are kind of a holes. If someone was like \"hey, you're going to lose $2,000 if we wait 30 days to sell this stock, but if you sell it right now you might make a little but some guy in accounts receivable won't have money for their Christmas\" the vast majority of people will be like \"I'm sure he will figure it out.\"", "More like Worse.com, amirite?", "Ding ding ding!", "Can’t throw good money after bad money. New investors and new funds means that it gets put into new objectives and plans. Can’t use new funds to pay off the old system that isn’t working…", "Well no, ofcoarse not. And over zoom as well. Not as personal. And unless the guy is an uncaring sociopath, this must have weighed heavy on him for weeks. And then to know you have to tell everyone they are let go. I dn't think that would be easy. Anyways I don't know the whole story here, I guess I am just putting myself in his shoes. If it was me I would be in a deep depression for weeks if not months after having to do this. But that's probably why I'm no CEO and just your average employee.", "Worst.com", "So he could've taken a paycut and sorted out the pay structure to allow him to keep all 200 employees or whatever he just fired?", "Why should an employer care about that? Genuine question. They already deemed these people to be dead weight. Why invest in something that won’t be part of your team?", "…. And you think workers were treated better in the last half century than they are now? You think things like this didn’t happen regularly at thousands of companies in the last 60 years all over the world? You think this event is a new phenomenon?", "Damn bro youre dickriding this ceo pretty hard", "A month of severance pay is bad?", "Find customers. Craft service to their needs, or software. Get paid. Expand.\n\nThis isnt hard.\n\nYou dont need millions to get started.", "It seems like zoom has become the q-tip or Kleenex word equivalent of video conferencing.", "Do i think him hearing it would change anything? no. Do I think it'd make employees feel better? yes.", "I feel sorry for everyone this impacted but I think it’s fairly common (maybe not 15% common) but I started at Disney in 2016 and we went through. 4 “reorgs” in the 3.5 years I was there. By the end my original team of 20+ was down to 2 and I was one of them. I left shortly after that.", "He's founder of a company that was just valued at 7bn. I'm not nearly as offended by these layoffs, but I have a bridge to sell you if you don't think this guy is rich as hell now.", ">I give him props for doing it himself.\n\nFuck that. He did it so no one could say shit. If he had had any integrity he'd have paid HR the overtime to meet everyone individually to answer any questions and provide maximum support.\n\nInstead he said he wouldn't cry, he didn't cry, and the next thing anyone will get is an email from HR. It was his job to steer the company to success and instead he spends the first 3 minutes trying to save face.", "Agreed, my company had layoffs years ago and tried to do it individually with managers, timing was off, the word got out, and branches that were closing got destroyed. Absolute chaos.", "It’s more like in the modern era the working class is getting fucked. Hence wages not increasing despite exponential increases in productivity and corporate profits. Cost of goods and housing keep going up up up though.", ">Business doesn't care about Christmas\n\nMy company has a no firing in December policy.", "You know I’m right", "Let's import 10 million Asians instead.", "I would not recommend working at startups/early stage companies if you want job security", "My personal view as to why this is bad is that he focused on his feelings and emphasized that it is right before the holidays. All this just after the company received an infusion of hundreds of millions of dollars. For a little extra he also threatened to burn his former business partner alive. Bad situation brought on by bad person and this is the second time he had done a mad layoff so if there is a problem with the company maybe management needs to change.", "When I was a kid my mom and others were laid off via a conference call. The President of the company spent 45 minutes reading off names of employees who no longer had a job. Being our last name starts with a \"V\" my mom had to wait until the very end to find out she was let go. I remember the look on her face during the call. Agonizing.", "He did a good job. How else could he have “done better “?", "Both things. Manage your situation and expectations so that you’re prepared and aren’t taken by surprise, as you suggest. But also be fucking furious and fight for a better world, because that’s how change happens.", "Would you rather the company continue doing things inefficiently and spending money where they don't need to which would ultimately lead to them going under and having them fire everybody? Grow up, quit letting your emotions cloud any rational thought you may have.", "Yeah because that’s what antiwork means lmao. Progressives are shit at marketing and naming.\n\nRemember when progressives called for Defunding Police? No way that can be misinterpreted right?", "Because 1. Why the fuck would they keep employees on their payroll if they aren't a net positive to the company and 2. The money likely had stipulations that they cut out deadweight workforce. \n\nI'm not sure why you expect companies to hand out money for free.", "That's great and all but Business, in general, doesn't care about Christmas and honestly I would bet if your company is large enough and it came down to their survival they would fire people during the Christmas party.", "> Betterhelp.com, the website that helps people find a therapist for mental problems. I keep hearing ads for them on youtube.\n\nThere are no such ads, they are only in your head. You should see a therapist for mental problems. I heard betterhelp.com could help...", "r/antiwork", "There is a thread right now about what turns them off in interviews. Reading the responses it’s clear why they hate work, they refuse to grow and are stuck in the lower end jobs. Endlessly complaining about boomers and bootstraps or whatever.\n\nLife sucks for everybody. But I guarantee the ones who still do ok in this shitty environment aren’t on Reddit bitching every day.", "I know nothing about this CEOs history or Better.com but my first reaction wouldn't be to blame The CEO. Do you really think he came up with this decision and not the board? It is more likely it wasn't his decision but he just obeyed it and executed it. \n\nSo if anyone is to blame, blame the board or better yet, the current stage of evolution of capitalism.", "I know youre delusional", "I read somewhere that those people were laid off to make the company more attractive for an upcoming IPO. Didn't say anything about performance, they didn't need to trim the fat from a failing company. There are no hints that they were overstaffed. They made the cuts so that investors could make more money when they go public. 15% gone right before the holidays so that less than 1% can make $50 million instead of $20 million. \n\n\nFrankly, I think capitalism is unsustainable and it's taken us almost as far as it can.", "I worked for a large company that had been shrinking for a decade. We got a new CEO and it was no secret a _huge_ restructuring and layoff was coming. It was a 6+ month project to identify who/what would go- I don't remember how many exactly, but it was probably 30%+ and thousands at least. Many employees were on the projects where their jobs were eliminated. \n\nThe appointed day came, and the CEO addressed the company. He looked like he hadn't slept in a week, he gave some prepared statements that clearly were difficult for him. If it was a performance it was a really good one. Very few hard feelings, and the severance was generous.\n\nFast forward a few years and his company wide addresses started to include him on a beach clearly coked up, firing people in meetings, making general threats (you should be happy you have jobs!), etc.\n\nCocaine and power are hell of a drug.", "Defund the police!", "Yes, in fact I do. We have less buying power, less stability, and a bigger poverty band than we've had in a long time. The numbers back this. \n\nWe have more protections and we've made grand strides socially speaking. But this isn't a discussion about that. It's about the effects of capitalism. Left unfettered, that poverty band is only going to get bigger. Capitalism is always going to end with a handful of winners and a fuck ton of losers. \n\nCapitalism is the best model to follow IMO, don't get me twisted. But without ample support from social structures and certain limitations being put in place(which the winners are doing a great job of circumventing), a large majority of the population playing the capitalism game are going to lose, and badly. It's the nature of the beast. We're watching that play out in real time.", "If he actually cared he would take a pay cut or figure something out.", "He was stronger this time. Good for him. Twat.", "He gave a former executive 8 figures of stock options that vested immediately. But has to fire employees to save the company money. Fuck this guy.", "👁️👁️", "Why? Because of all the snowflakes?", "this shit has been happening forever, it's just now recently information is shared and recorded so easily people can see this. You would never have heard of this layoff before the mid-2000s if you didn't work for better.com", "I mean, that’s part of HR’s job. They ideally know how to terminate employment without being awkward on a zoom call and opening yourself up to bad press. I get why CEOs feel like they need to do this, but this isn’t a better alternative to a bad situation.", "You’re ignoring the specific text that other poster quoted. Reference the quoted text. The statement was asinine.", "There will be more next month don’t worry. It’s all but confirmed, Polish up that resume", "Nope I want healthcare, free education, and to own the value of my labor. It's not an unattainable goal, and many other wealthy nations already have two of those three locked down with a much happier populace than the US despite the spooky higher taxes.\n\nPeople like you refuse to believe that the US spends so much effort rigging elections, starting coups, or all out going to war with countries that try to become socialist and that's what results in so many people fleeing them...", "It has become a shitty sub, it wasn’t always this way. \n\nIt used to be a place to discuss the “end of work”, the future of human kind, and how work as we know it today won’t be required. Philosophically going far beyond capitalism vs socialism vs communism.\n\nThen it got filled up with teenagers complaining about working at McDonald’s and it turned to shit.", "Sorry for those who got layoff, but stay strong and I hope everyone will find suitable jobs soon. \n\nI always had mindset that if I’m working for business then I could get layoff any day so I’m always prepared for rainy day. Good thing I never got into this situation but I’m sure it’s very hard situation to be in. Good luck!!", "Believe it or not. CEOs are humans and humans sometimes have a need to share how they feel. If he hadn’t said anything everyone would have lost it for being cold-hearted. Now instead people are losing it because apparently CEOs are not allowed to be sad (because they are rich).", "Sometimes that's true, but the smart ones are going to start looking for other work. Whatever it was that made the company worth buying is now gone - you've created a workforce consisting entirely of suckers, morons, and people who have a hard time finding work elsewhere.\n\nBut I'm sure this effect is factored into the sale price.", "Wow that whole thing escalated quickly", "Is that because of the holidays or because of the end of the year being enough HR paperwork as-is?", "Nothing I do or anyone else who isn't filthy fucking rich is ever going to make it so the guy in accounts receivable is not going to have money for Christmas.", "3 weeks before Christmas, but you're getting 4 weeks of pay.... Find a new job and enjoy having extra money....", "What’s the point you are trying to make? What do essential workers have to do with this discussion ?", "Should no company fire anyone ever even if they're not contributing to the business? I'm not sure what you expect to happen here...", "The back of the head?", "> Using a comedy movie to provide counterpoint\n\nOk guy. But seriously, it's simple logic. In a situation where you're at home, any non-requisite work you have left by the end of the day gets weighed against an early start to your evening: cracking open that beer, watching the new episode of your fav show, taking a shower, going to eat, etc. Sitting at the office, your options are far more limited in what you have available to tempt you away from doing that extra work. All office environments vary of course, but for most of us, home provides an unending sea of temptations and distractions. And with no management or coworkers to judge you that make optional work feel harder to approach than if you were physically in the office. And full disclaimer: There are tons of pros to WFH and I'm not advocating against it. We're just talking about one specific issue.", "Who really cares about Christmas? This means nothing to a business", "Behavior like this is why professionals are told not to have company loyalty anymore. Don't stay in a lower-paying position or toxic environment because HR/management wants you to think of your co-workers as family. That's cheap emotional blackmail meant to get more out of you than what you're being paid for. Time after time we see companies of all sizes willing to toss good workers under the bus for a huge # of reasons.\n\nThe company that appreciates you the most is the one paying you at/near top tier and committing to legally-binding securities and compensations so crap like this can't happen to you.", "How the company does is irrelevant to whether it is a good or bad thing that people who as far as any of us know we're doing a good job are now without a job.\n\nIt is a bad thing.", "Trashy", "You had me up until \"we are the slum lords\". The 401k is part of the system we're all caught up in. If our governments offered a responsible national pension plan, the 401k (and schemes like it) wouldn't need to exist.\n\nAs it is however, our laws are geared toward these sorts of schemes (offering tax deductions for employer and employee alike) and it's simply impossible to retire at all without one.", "There are no points unless you want there to be points, so I'm not even sure what that means. but I will say better.com is great to work with. I refinanced early this year. Of course the bar had been lowered so far by dealing with amerisave for the previous 2 months. But they still had all the normal fees and appraisal and in fact the rate was a bit higher than amerisave at the time. You couldn't pay me to get a mortgage from the liars and thieves at amerisave though.", "This always happens at year end", "Ignoring their shitty business practices for a second...\n\nA fully automated taxi service would be amazing and a fundamental change to transportation (in the US anyway). Assuming fully autonomous vehicles happen, there will be such companies, but if that was their plan Uber and Lyft jumped the gun by about a decade.", "Incorrect, because what consumers do set the data that the analysts use to forecast consumer behavior which make it to the nice little reports the guys sitting the room in suits use to make their choices, so if the 3 preceeding months before christmas you have lower engagement, less leads, less conversions and ultimately less sales, they'll look at that as 4 different (even though it's the same funnel) signals and they will think the sky is falling and they will take drastic actions to change the course because in business you're expected to hit goals and profit every single day, every single week. month, quarter, year. When you fail to hit any of those, you have a million supervisors who talk with you and ultimately put you or your entire department on a short list and try to figure ways to accomplish the role you held without you.\n\nIn this specific example, the decisions on Better's half is because they want individual investors to see a strong confidence signal so they feel comfortable that they are going to be on a profit cycle and not a loss cycle and individual investors could be mom & pop, funds, or high rollers. \n\n\nIn your example you absolve yourself of responsibility as if you were a worker in a factory that makes bullets saying \"nothing I do will ever be responsible for a homicide\" ... yeah, in an indirect way it will contribute, it all adds up. \n\nBut in a way you're correct because no, \"anyone who isn't filthy fucking rich\" will never be the CEO of better and directly fire people on a zoom call, that's probably an accurate statement.", "Calm down... the CEO is a piece of shit, but that's going a bit far", "That’s not how Equity works. Equity is the amount of invested capital an individual has in an operating entity. Reducing salary burdens doesn’t “convert those proceeds” to equity, it just reduces the operating costs of the company. I.e the comment above talking about how they were likely required to reduce the workforce in an effort to slow Better.com’s burn rate and keep the ship afloat longer. None of this has anything to do with equity though and, again, cutting operating costs doesn’t convert those salaries to equity. It may help the company reach profitability sooner and increase its valuation in the long run, but that doesn’t make that equity immediately accessible nor does it mean that cutting pay converts any money to equity.", "C'mon guys. He said the last time he did it he cried, what more do you want from him?", "Yeah- probably less than 2 years from losing sleep to cocaine on the beach.", "Something isn't dishonest just because you don't like what you are hearing.", "Might be time to sit back down at the children's table if you can't even discuss hypothetical regulation without dismissing it as \"burned money\".\n\nYou're aware that companies would earn more money from you if they weren't legally required to give you weekends and holiday time right? Do you not understand that that's a form of regulation too?\n\nIt's not like you're being consistent, you're not advocating for an-capistan levels of deregulation. You just seem to be happy with the status quo because you're doing ok at the moment and any change to that scares you.", "Until they need to fire people in December.", "He wanted to say \"We hope you leave here a better person\" and then realised the irony of it.", ">The post that you are spamming all over this thread reads like some \"Muh \n capitalism bad\" put together to rally the financially illiterate about \ngreat perceived injustices.\n\nIsn't that funny? A low wage- high tax citizen of Denmark telling Americans that were laid off purely for shareholder profits that capitalism is good, actually.", "That sucks, sorry that happened to you.", "So you want companies to treat you like shit??", "Sucks to hear about the layoffs but respect to ceo for telling employees to their face. He really didn't have to do that.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI hope all involved can find jobs very quickly. It's a tough situation all around.", "I worked at a small manufacturing plant and our corporate guys came from out of town to shit us down. They had a meeting with a PowerPoint presentation. The first slide said-Your legacy will live on!\n\nNext slide-Just not here.", "It’s a “win” for the business because lots of bonuses are paid in the New Year.", "personally i find it very hard to believe.", "Which is annoying because I’ve seen companies do this without laying anyone off.", "Could've ghosted them. Disable their credentials, stop paying them, and wait for them to eventually realize you're not really that into them anymore.", "And the very valid fear of not being able to retire, own a house, afford end of life care, etc. prevents many from having the luxury of being able to care about the ethics of their investments because they absolutely need the 7% a year to not work to their grave. (It's almost like the system is designed this way to make everyone depend on the market so there's public push back against taxing the rich or large corporations)", "I mean yeah the fact he mentions the crying thing is cringe, but besides that I don't get how people expect something like that to go.\n\n Three months of benefits sounds pretty damn good, it's not like you're going to have no money for the holidays.", " At least he didn’t make them come in just to be fired.", "Sorry I didn't consider the investors in all this.", ">Standard operating procedure for any Corp.\n\nIt's the firing of a ton of employees less than a month away from the most financially stressful holidays. It being \"standard operating procedure\" doesn't make it less shitty imo", "Capitalism gotta capital. Go find a bread line\n\n\n(Obviously this is dystopian and awful)", "Being let go in December isn't indicative of being treated like shit.\n\nBusiness decisions don't take human holidays into consideration.\n\nWelcome to the real world.", "do Europeans not have capital and layoffs?", "A month of severance and three months of health benefits? Shit that's a pretty good lay-off. It still sucks, but it could be way worse. There are certainly worse times to be job hunting than right now. I know we're struggling to find people.", "you do realize all those countries also have companies that go through mass layoffs right? We do need a better social safety net for sure but that wouldn't stop layoffs like these", "That's what I want to know. It's he okay? He said he cried last time. I hope he's not too upset. Poor guy :(", "I think the director gave the real folks a slightly different stage direction. He told them to give the reaction they wished they had given at the time, instead of the one they gave. But it's been a long time since I came into that, so it may be as you said. Not sure", "I mean, yeah. There's a pandemic.", "\"The last time I did it, i cried\" (but the millions I pocketed made it worth it!)", "Of course they do. What’s your point?\n\nIf your point is “well then they aren’t socialist” then you’re arguing to the air.", "People expected him not to lay off 15% of the workforce at Christmas just so he can make more money personally.... Yay capitalism!", "Dude should be laid off for filming a landscape screen in portrait mode. /s", "It most likely has more to do with SEC declarations. One of the few metrics that the SEC has access to, and they share, are headcount. For companies who are public, headcount is at least as important as their income.", "How fast are rates rising? I feel like i listed my house a month too late, and missed the train. I feel like a grave mistake was made lol.", "> Overall, we hired too many people too quickly and now we are correcting.\n\nThis is why people are pissed. There comes a point where you need more people as a company, it's easy to just hit the hire button over and over again without thinking about the consequences. The consequences are you are hiring another human who has an expectation as to what it means to join the company, full time = full time, not disposed of as soon as they are not required. Hiring someone shouldn't just be a \"Oh, lets hire X because we need more throughput, what happens if demand reduces? Fire X\" X didn't sign up for this shit. He signed up for a full time job, as for the \"unexpected dip in demand\" - demand will always dip, it's about ensuring you have enough float to keep your head above water. Long storey short is the employers were incompetent, greedy and reckless with their employees livelihoods.", "His company has a no firing in December policy. You're acting like that's a bad thing. It's like you don't want to be treated better.", "Want to know why they really do that? It's because if you make your employees happier and feel more secure they're more likely to stay. The cost of training an employee is very high and goes up as you increase the level of the employee.\n\nThey're not doing it because they care, they're doing it because it makes them money in the long run.", "It was 900-1000 people. It's a mortgage company with a drying up refinance market. Words of a claimed employee here talk of no real work for weeks. They also are receiving severance and 3 months of benefits. I'm not sure what people are trying to be mad at beyond \"rich man bad\".", "Good for him! He can use it to wipe away his tears! He almost cried last time. Hope he's doing okay :(", ">You do realize that most of the time CEOs don't even attend mass layoffs, right? You are just trying to find any small and insignificant thing to get offended by. And I don't think anyone cares whether they can isnult their boss or not who are also willing to drive all the way to work just to do that.\n\nI mean if the boss is gonna be there to tell me they have to \"Recalibrate their approach to human resources and cut their expenditure towards workforce capital due to current market instability\" and that they have to let me go... or some other bullshit... I'd rather he not do it with a \"mute everyone button\" and an \"End call button\"\n\nI'm not offended, just think he needs to hear what everyone thinks of his \"Restructure\" and he at least owes it to them to \"cry\"", "You may be right, but it still makes me strongly dislike this because do to my own trauma from it, it feels so disingenuous. \n\nI do apologize if I misrepresented/misremembered the director's stage direction.", "Fire you 12:01 January 1st.", "under socialism, are all of the institutions just going to be perpetually weighed down with inefficient practices because laying people off would be \"brutality\"? How is that more sustainable?\n\nthese people are being let go into one of the hottest job markets ever. Many of them may wind up with raises after a job search", "huh, as a shareholder, I don't eat avocado toast, and know how to code. I'm doing fine, thanks.", "That's called anecdotal evidence of an outlier.\n\nIt's meaningless when discussing general trends and is a device typically employed by those seeking to obfuscate a legitimate point to an end.", "meanwhile i’ll sleep tonight on a pile of money… thanks, bye.", "This is like a bad YouTuber apology video.", "A month of pay and 3 months of health insurance is about 100% more than I've ever got lol", "wiped my tears with 10k dollar bills", "No. If avoid it if I were you. It's just about flying cars and the future. Nothing special", "This is more true for a business with the express goal of selling out. A much higher percentage of business that are still a privately run and owned company, family businesses, etc will care about the employees. It's as soon as the investors get involved that it all goes to hell. \n\nMy dad saw it at his old work - the owner used to wander around and chat with employees, ask how their family is doing, etc. Then they decided they wanted to grow, which meant investments. Suddenly the owner's monthly income is based on income minus operating costs. Suddenly it all turns to shit.\n\nMy very first job was at a startup. The owner was a great guy who did care about every employee from day 1 to the day I left, but when you've given a board of investors control of the company, your input matters a lot less than it used to. Even in one of my last years there he actually invited me to his birthday party at his house. But the company had lost that human touch for anyone who wasn't one of the OG employees. If you're employee number was above like 200, you probably didn't know anyone who would vouch for you if there were layoffs. \n\nThe moment I see a small company looking for investors, I know it's about to start down the shitter.", "the last time i did this i came in my pants…", "The point in using Office Space as example was that they found a lot of positions in the company that were not productive. Sure it was comedy, but that doesn't mean that there aren't a lot of jobs out there that are filler and could be done more efficiently by less people. You aren't wrong, home has its own problems, but that's where management of employees comes in. If you know that someone is only using 20% of their time to do the work load, why are you paying them for the 80% without finding other things they could do? Maybe there's a limit, but there are plenty of people in the work force that coast along doing bare minimum (sometimes just showing up and staying out of trouble) while others carry their load.", ">Anyways I’m a socialist now, so jokes on that guy I guess \n\nFrom OPs comment history. Yeah, socialism and communism are not the same thing but this is frequently not understood by people here. Reddit is also full of ignorant or just young people who have had the luck to not be born in a communist or formerly communist country. \n\nI am all for social safety nets, nationalized healthcare, and taking care of the poor and the suffering. These are all good things that have a place in a civilized society. I am against those newborn wannabe communists western countries are filling with. I want young people to actually learn from history so they don't repeat it. As a citizen of a former socialist country, I REALLY want them to actually realize what it is they are advocating for.", "You should never really have loyalty to your employer. I have none. I'll work as long as they pay me, but I'm salary so I'm not gonna do overtime and I'm not gonna get my panties in a bunch if I take some time off during s buddy period", "If my company had that I’d have palpitations every year on Nov 1st", "Self employment doesn't guarantee job security either. I mean, I guess it guarantees you'll have a job - just not that the job will come with a paycheck. It can be nerve wracking to be responsible for all your income at times. Employment takes some of that direct worry off your plate but it puts more control in someone else's hands. \n\nThere are other models, which have more security. Europe has employment contracts which make sudden terminations like this pretty much unheard of.", "Im a disabled trans person who relies on the state for protection from the fascists that want me dead for my existence. Yeah, id LOVE if my biggest source of protection crumbles to pieces.", "This just isn't the case but this is Reddit where you think shitty jobs like sewage cleaning is suddenly going to be filled out of the goodness of the heart and that jobs that require years of education will be filled even at no extra earnings from thiseboersin", "Literally says it was his decision.", "on the bright side, there's a plethora of jobs available right now in the mortgage business.", "I’ll complain about Amazon pay. People always seem to forget that factory/warehouse work has traditionally paid higher. Amazon did to factory work what Uber did to drivers. They just repackaged the same jobs with far lower wages and sold it to people as helping them out (ie “flexible jobs.”) Amazon’s “We pay 15/hr” is a joke. For examples of other jobs in the same/similar industries: My local UPS is currently hiring drivers (employees not contractors) at around 40/hr. A few years ago when all the car plant workers went on strike it was to retain average wages in the mid 30s. \n\nNeed I add that the only reason that they started their 15/hr campaign is because they have been scraping the bottom of the bucket for years and have great concerns about their [ability to continue to source cheap labor.](https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-warehouse-turnover-worker-shortage-2021-6?op=1)", "Catering to snowflakes (real, or personalized) is never a good thing.", "So what you’re saying is that you wanted this to occur in person so the CEO could hear people call him a cunt?\n\nSo nothing of material value and just a rage moment that serves no purpose beyond an endorphin bump cuz you hate CEOs.\n\nGod you people are stupid.", "Congrats on completely missing his point.", "Having to lay off so many people sucks, but this is a fine way of doing it. There’s really not much to get angry about. You can’t realistically meet individually with 15% of your workforce to lay them off one at a time. Even if you could, the paranoia and rumors resulting from such could be incredibly destructive. This way is a lot cleaner. No risk of attacks or destructive anger that comes with a face-to-face meeting, whose getting fired is clear, and everything is set out and communicated clearly.", "But this is bad capatalism good capatalism would be hiring the correct amount of employees for the correct wage not needing to retrain", "\n\n>But that there are only dozens that a board will find suitable that's a fact, right? \n\nThis is also true for many jobs where the pay is much smaller. \n\n>But who knows when things are going to blow out.\n\nThis is possibly the most important job of the CEO.\n\n>All I'm arguing is that people are angry at the wrong people. The wealth gap is a real problem. But it isn't solved by shaming anyone who dares fire underperforming employees or worse fire people in order for the company to exist.\n\nNo one is shaming the guy for just firing people. They are shaming the guy for firing 15% of his company under the holidays while simultaneously taking a huge bonus.\n\n>But the way we make it worth is allow the money to trickle down and that's the government job.\n\nAh yes, the CEO is only a poor cog in the system without any say in the matter what happens to their employees, only the government is able to do anything about the wealth gap. I agree that it should be the government's job, but so should environmental action be and I'll still be angry if you spill a barrel of oil to the ground.", ">\tBusiness decisions don't take human holidays into consideration.\n\nLike businesses are another form of life that have no regard for human affairs or some shit.\n\nBusinesses are comprised of people and the absolutely take human holidays into consideration. Honestly, this is the dumbest fucking thing you could be posting hot off Black Friday and right before Christmas. Like holy shit dude lmao ur rite businesses have no regard for the lowly homo sapien gift giving rituals dude. They don’t give a single fuck about human love celebration holidays either, of course.", "Haha right. This guy saying it's no big deal will probably be pissed when he/she gets an invite to a zoom meeting in a month.", "Yeah if your business is drying up you cut down labor. What’s the problem? Would you rather have had to travel into work to get laid off in person? Happens all the time.", "This is how successful companies work now. They borrow money and operate at a loss while stealing customers long enough to borrow even more money. That repeats until they go public and finally compromise the quality of their product/service so that it is profitable.", "The refinance boom is ending", "Capitalism doesn’t give a fuck about you. Socialism doesn’t give a fuck about you. Communism doesn’t give a fuck about you. The world doesn’t give a fuck about you. That’s called life, baby.", "Never heard of better so am not sure the metric you are using to says its top tier. Half a dozen other mortgage companies I could name of the top of my head but not once I have seen any marketing or anything related to better. This is just my anecdotal experience, but you'll forgive if I take that assessment with a grain of salt. Your diatribe doesn't say much else but does explain why people are freaking out even if you gloss of the fact like it is no big deal. Its Christmas. On top of that he did on a Friday. It's just bad form brought on by bad management. People expect their employers to protect their employment so of course there is always going to be fallout. Trying to lessen their experience just makes you look as if you lack empathy to the situation when it was better left unsaid or at least said later after the sting has softened.", "Yep", "I’m sure he’s rich as hell, that’s not what my point was though. His accumulated wealth isn’t relevant here - it’s the total comp for the year in question. My point was: given the knowledge we have about his compensation there’s no way he could have saved anywhere near the 1,000 jobs that were lost simply by foregoing his total comp for the year. If he truly did get a $25M bonus, then that’s both morally wrong and could have likely saved a tremendous number of jobs by not taking - even if only for a year.\n\nNone of this absolves him of being a shitty CEO though. As /u/CaptainCupcakez pointed out he should be held accountable for any poor performance from the company. CEOs are seemingly never held accountable for poor company performance. Even when they are fired they typically get outrageous severance packages and can just transition to a c-level exec spot at another company or a few cushy board positions.", "I think a lot of European countries have good systems\n\nmy problem is that whenever these discussions come up there's this blending of terms that makes discussion impossible. People just say socialism but all have a different definition of it: are we actually abolishing capitalism or are we just talking about a stronger welfare state?\n\nthe matter at hand is a startup laying off staff. That could still happen in Europe, call it socialist or not", "Do you think that money not spent on salaries is somehow going to wind up in the hands of investors? It seems like that is what you're saying but that's not how this works at all. In some cases when a company lowers expenses the investor's equity goes up in value but that's not because money is diverted to them, it's because the company is more profitable(or, in this case, hemorrhaging money a bit slower). That makes ownership of the company more attractive to others so people who want to become partial owners are willing to pay more. The money that isn't being spent on the salaries of people who got laid off is still being used to run the company, not handed to investors. Investors get money from being able to sell their equity to other people who want to invest in the company. That's usually gonna be via a liquidity event like IPOing or the company being acquired by someone else.\n\nIt sucks this happened right before the holidays but startups burning money then having to tighten their belts when they go looking for an exit is completely par for the course. Anyone who isn't completely naive understands that when choosing to work for one, which is at least part of why some form of access to equity(options, usually) is an extremely common part of compensation packages. You don't go to work at a start up for low stress and long term stability or top tier cash compensation - there are much, much better places to get both of those. You chose to work at a start up for compensation that includes, effectively, a conditional lottery ticket that might get you rich. You get some of the benefits of ownership in return for the risk that working at one entails.", "Precisely. People forget companies implode about as often as they succeed. Mass layoffs are incredibly common.", "People like the guy you replied to are exhausting. Someone could say \"Looks like the CEO peed himself\" and you could reply with \"Its just a shadow from his pants\" and get hit with a bunch \"Wow! Way to defend the rich and scummy CEO!\"\n\nIts like if every single word you speak about them isn't negative, someone will jump on you, even if what you say is completely reasonable.", "SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE DUMMIES IN THE BACK!", "I just think he would've said that regardless of whether or not it was his decision. Wouldn't it be weird if he said \"The board has decided (and I am just their pawn)\"?", "What's your job?", "\n>If you disagree with the very idea of capitalism then ok but why were you working there if you did?\n\nAh, the classics! https://i.redd.it/whnuvoh4od031.jpg", "They also own the worser.com domain.", "Layoffs in other countries don't look like they do in the US, though. It's not the immediate termination and escorted out the building in the span of 20 minutes. It's often a much slower process where people are notified, they stay employed for a while, will often have severance, etc. Employment laws and culture around employment is much better in other places.", "I think it has something to do with the balance sheets heading into 4th quarter right before the ipo. I heard someone at the top just got put on admin leave for dumping a shit-ton of her stock but im not familiar with the details.", ">Isn't that funny?\n\nStraight-up hilarious, mate. I also didn't do that at all but have at it with your straw-manning.\n\nI told him that his line of reasoning exposes a complete lack of subject matter expertise. Employees are laid off in Denmark by for-profit companies all the time as well and legal jurisdiction is irrelevant to the point.\n\nThere's a ton of crony capitalism in the US and abroad, channeling your outrage accordingly would be a better use of everyone's time. Bullshit \"Mr. CEO evil cuz.. [financial illiteracy]\" pandering helps no one.", "I thought that when Zelle stated they would be losing 420 million this year due to excessive purchasing of homes that this signaled the housing market was not \"booming\" as well as people thought.", "You heard me", " I really hope you don't own a business or God forbid have kids and are teaching them to think that way. That thought process is incredibly self-centered and only furthering a victim mentality. Life isn't fair bud.", "Sooo... You would work only in some subset of companies founded this year? Startups don't really guarantee job security.", "My issue with it is the CEO in any way making it about himself with , crying last time and try to be stronger this time. Fuck you, you still have a job no”and are getting compensated very well, this is in no way about you.", "ahahhahahahahah. Doubling down on the stupid huh?\n\nMy business could not exist without $3 million in cash to buy the equipment to build the product. \n\nHow exactly would we have found customers with no products to sell? \n\nNot all businesses are services, you dolt. And even some services are incredibly costly to run. \n\njUsT bOoTsTrAP iT!!", "I fired a guy once, like on December 2nd. He was stealing shit and getting Hogg in the bathroom, we believe he was snorting heroin. He asked for 3 weeks off around Christmas time, unpaid, which isn’t a huge deal, but if you work 15 hours a week, and stuff goes missing AND you make loud snorting sounds in the bathroom and look more mellow afterwords, you’re likely to get let go right before Christmas. The put the icing on the cake, I said have a marry Christmas.", "\"Last time I cried. This time, I hope it will affect me less.\"", "The negatives of socialism are extreme waste and loss of living standards. \n\nKeeping people working at jobs that don’t provide value is how you destroy wealth in society. They can get other jobs, ones that aren’t wasteful, the market is in high demand. The world and everyone in it will be better off than a system that pays people to do things that aren’t valued.", "Capitalism is great.\n\nSource: trust fund", "I mean they are getting a severance package and benefits for a month… that’s longer than two weeks that most people give as notice to their employers", "Yep, that’s my point.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8h97i/bettercom_ceo_lays_off_15_of_workforce_over_zoom/hn6t0oq/\n\nBut that is dishonest ^", "That happened to me.. The bastards.", "What the fuck are you on about. You hope I don't teach my kids that people should be treated fairly and if someone can't afford to pay their bills it's not a good thing so \"life ain't fair. Fuck em\"\n\nI hope you don't have kids.", "Well, with the capital raise his networth would have essentially increased $25 million pretty easily, and it's now liquid. I'm not sure there's a substantive difference.\n\nThat said, layoffs may still be warranted. When you're running a startup, you often don't have time/the knowledge to determine how many employees you need and in what roles\nI don't think it's particularly unusual to have some inefficiencies that need to be removed at some point, and unfortunately that can come in the form of layoffs.\n\nIt's very hard to say the CEO has shown \"poor performance\" in this case given how the company has succeeded thus far.", "If the company doesnt suffer brain drain. If that occurs even a once thriving Fortune 500 company can circle the drain to insolvency very fast.", "I guess you could say he wished he had “better” news?", "Yeah, I mean, this is always going to be shitty no matter how you twist it (and, as a non-American, I actually have no idea what better.com even is), but at least this CEO has enough balls to give the news himself. Even if it is over a Zoom call.", "I think the American brand of capitalism is particularly problematic. The power dynamic is too skewed towards the capitalists and away from the workers. The profit motive is a great driver for innovation and progress. I disagree with those that think it would be muted if we capped the profits attainable (through something like progressive taxes). \n\nI think with more regulation and worker centric policies it could be our best option available, especially as we prepare to move in to an era where labor loses value.", "Sounds like a sociopath", "It really sucks for all of these people losing their jobs. I wish them well.", "r/antiwork material", "They got severce pay and 3 months of med coverage??? Da fuck cry babies.", "Yup, I worked for a teleconference company and not only did I run conference calls for layoffs - those were difficult to listen to- but I eventually got laid off myself from said company in a giant break room. \n\nI wish I had the nerve to have said “fuck you” to the upper management that gave our news like this guy could do in private", "So they fire everyone a month early", "Similar story here. Rates are at an all-time low so I started looking around Reddit for suggestions and saw everyone saying basically the same thing about Better. \n\nThe thing is they have basically perfected the mortgage application process if you’re a mostly-online kind of person. All the paperwork was handled electronically. Once in a while I’d get an email saying they needed some extra form or signature with docusign. And the icing on the cake was that they completely under-cut the competition. I got a sub-2% interest rate with zero points and the whole thing took maybe 3 weeks, and that includes the final “actual” signing part at the end.\n\nSo yes, I’m totally shilling for them. I heard nothing but horror stories about the refi process and all the ludicrous paperwork and was fully expecting it to suck and instead it was stupid-simple.", "Right? I hate the \"normalizing\" of this in any kind of way.", "Lol business didn’t go sideways. Business is booming. And now it’s even better for those at the top cause all they’ll be saving on labor is going directly to them.", "Thanks. Cant argue with stupid.", "I was baffled by the self-driving cars delusion. Subways have clear designated tracks, limited distances to travel, and fixed stop points yet they still need operators.", "UBI is just a stop gap to subsidize capitalism's refusal to provide the right value for labor. It's not going to solve any of the root problems. It's not a permanent solution that will save capitalism, rather it'll just slightly prolong its death throes like the current welfare systems have already been doing.\n\nAnd that's if you managed to get it implemented. UBI is yet another piece of welfare that will be constantly fought against. We can't even get the ruling class to give more than a couple measly stimulus checks during a global pandemic without means testing them to death, let alone a consistent universal income during times of economic \"normalcy\".", "They were losing about $100M per quarter already", "I’m not thinking of the investors. Fuck ‘em. But it’s normal that investments come with conditions on what it can be used for. Trimming the workforce could be one of those conditions.", "To be fair, we're talking about an employee they were about to let go of, anyway.\n\nThough I imagine it's not the only way their decent to their employees.", "He did it on a Wednesday not on a Friday. It was on the first day of the month. Like I said, I think the way it was done was far from perfect. I've been laid off multiple times and have survived them as well. It;s not lack of empathy. I'm just jaded.\n\nAlso many of the people laid off make over $100k/year.", "Without any drivers what shtty business practices would they have?", "Yeah, it sucks, but it's not like there's an alternative system where everyone can get paid handsomely without having to be productive.", "Any company that can't hold off on firing someone for a month is going under anyway.", "Anyone with fucking common sense would have told you that automating cars would be extremely difficult. There's just a shitload of variables at play.", "Wouldnt self driving cars take away from their profits? You could just call your own car instead of using their service (it would benefit people who don't have a car, but most people in the US do). Either way, I'd prefer high speed rail/decent public transportation over more cars on the road, automated or not.", "My experience working at an Amazon distribution center: \n \nI stand at the end of a long conveyor belt and wait for a bin to be brought before me. In the bin is an assortment of items with a bar code on each of them. I take one item out of the bin, scan it with a barcode reader that hangs above a conveyor belt beside me. I place the item in a new bin on that conveyor belt and it speeds off somewhere into the churning innards of the building. I repeat this until all of the items in the bin have been scanned and sent on their way. A new bin of assorted items appears and the process repeats. I do this for 10 hours a day.\n \nI get your point that a “skilled” person at this job could potentially scan more objects in the same amount of time than an “unskilled” one, but I still think that amounts to semantics. I’ve worked a lot of different jobs and there are certainly ones that I would say allow for little to no development of expertise in doing them", "If it's down to their survival whether or not they fire someone this month or next, they're fucked anyway.", "It sucks to get layed off but what's everyone so mad about ?", "Moviepass is a great example of this. They were widely hailed without spending a cent on \"4d advertising\" conspiracies for o-so-clever Redditors to uncover. They just handed out shitloads of virtually free movies while their business model burned.", "Okay, but those $750 million could come with a ton of contingencies, such as laying off these people. Softbank wouldn't invest in a company that is just going to lose the money anyways if they can't make a profit. Firing people is a way to lower your spending, so that maybe you can turn a profit.\n\nIf they had kept them on with the $750 million, then it would just be buying some more time for the company, but ultimately would still have to fire people.\n\nThe thing is, we have no idea exactly what is going on behind the scenes. There could be tons of reasons for why it didn't work out.", "Not sure how well Waymo is doing, but they currently have driverless vehicles that carry passengers.", "Because the 15% you fire isn't the best 15%", "A company I worked for would announce restructures in October/November so affected staff wouldn't over spend at Christmas and find themselves in trouble when laid off in Jan.\n\nNo fire in December, but will fire in January can leave people in a bad position. All of a sudden that affordable Christmas is no longer affordable and you had no idea.", "I can’t imagine what it must feel like to lose your job this way.", "Eat the goddamn rich", "Thanks for the info. Looks like this is standard procedure. Back in 2005, I worked at Visa as a contractor. They were doing a lot of layoffs then and the water cooler talk was that an IPO was on the cards. Which turned out to be true.", "It was a joke.", "This is completely accurate. I guess my issue with the response isn't that people deserve to be upset but that people are acting like it came out of left field when it could easily be seen from miles away.\n\nThe other thing people are gleefully forgetting about is how we were all handed bonuses for the last three months even though no one was producing jack shit. Maybe others believe in the general goodness of man but that's not what is on the books and big fucking companies like this only do what they are have to do and not what they're supposed to.\n\nIt wasn't an unexpected dip in demand. We went from historic low rates to rates that went up and are only going to go up.", "I'm sure they'd find new ones.", "You can see all the info here: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIoqvc4cXK9AIVEIzICh2HZQFuEAAYASAAEgJJ5vD\\_BwE", "What would you prefer him to do, not lay anyone off and the entire company goes down or lay off a small percentage of the company in hopes to keep it going to potentially hire back the 15% of lost workers at a future date when things hopefully get better?\n\nIt’s easy to bash on him as you’re not in his shoes but if you were I’d bet that you’d do the same thing. His choice could be either 15% now, 40% later or possibly 100% later if the entire company goes down.", "I am absolutely not saying it's no big deal and I am actively applying and interviewing other places. I completely expect more layoffs.", "Ok asshole, not wanting to lose your job during the holidays doesn't make one a fucking snowflake. Having bills to pay on top of hopefully giving your family a good time and not wanting to feel like a shit provider don't make you a snowflake. And being a company with some humanity and understanding isn't catering to snowflakes. \n\nShit, you aren't even using snowflake right. A snowflake is someone who gets hurt or offended over trivial shit. I assure you there are plenty of tough-guy conservatives like yourself who would feel like shit if they lost their job right before the holidays and would grovel on their knees in thanks before their boss for holding onto them for another month.\n\nLosing your job, especially that time of year, isn't some trivial bullshit. It's a fucking huge deal.", "Hard to judge due to no /s and the general sentiment in this thread", "Well, it’s much easier, efficient, and less time consuming resettling in less resources being used. So in many ways it’s a much better alternative.", "The density in the US makes high speed rail/decent public transportation a problem for a very large number of people.\n\nIf you could get a quick cheap ride to/from transportation hubs it'd make them 1000x more useful.", "Wow, so don't actually read what I said, get angry and reply incoherently. Yikes, have a good day bud, you seem like a fun person.", "It seems to me that this is a typical move from a founder trying to cash out while the investment sentiment looks good/not terrible. Its not a bad strategy to be honest. There are plenty of firms that are market leaders but don't make any profit at all- their current shareholders are spending money in an effort to entice new investors and therefore cash out.", "...and it's happened to me, and look! I'm still alive and doing fine.", "The most common issue I see in discourse, especially online, is the inability to discern between descriptive and normative claims.", "but they are paid through end of month as part of their severance", "When I was laid off, I'm sure it looked good on paper, but nobody knew how to do my job, and it took multiple people 10x the amount of time and energy to figure out things I would have done before lunch.", "fair point, i could see some antiwork moron saying it unironically", "What incentive does a company have to pay HR overtime for the exact same result? I’m guessing “because the right thing to do” which I’d reply with, “that’s why they’re getting 1 month severance and 3 mos benefits”. \n\nIt just makes sense to do it this way.", "No, this CEO is a basket case who lost major investors including Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley refused to do their IPO in August. \n\nhttps://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire", "That is literally how every company ever works. They are losing millions. Now explain to me how to make your company not toxic to investors when you are losing money hand over fist but no plan to cut costs?", "Sounds like a medieval executioner, but without the hood.", "Right, but the majority if American commerce is publicly traded, but you're correct that small businesses (even having 100 employees and a warehouse) will often make less fiscally sound decisions in the sake of preserving the humanity of business. \n\nI have been working a role, my friend came and worked with me because his department got let go, his former employer contacted me because I had a similar skillset just slightly different, and I know for a fact he has more experience than I did. They literally let go of talent, while needing people in other roles, and never tried to internally place.\n\nAlso fuck garmin.", "Home Depot’s HR dept laid off 90% of its HR managers around 2006 on a conference call. They had no idea what the call was about. Back then, every store had an HR manager. After the dust settled, there was only regional HR managers (so like 1 HR person for 70-100 stores).", "End of year reports are unfortunately as you guessed it, at the end of the year. So for accounting reasons big layoffs / takeovers are done around this time.\n\nStill sucks obviously", "\"it was my decision and I wanted you to hear it coming from me...\n\nVia zoom.\"", "It's a jack-of-all-trades type of position, which is suiting for me as I have a ton of business-functional skills but no degrees in any particular career path. It's a small company and my position boils down to making sure everything runs smoothly so sales can do their jobs effectively. I'm in charge of web dev (Wordpress/PHP), marketing, bookkeeping (everything except payroll), database programming (Access/VB6), vendor relationships, purchasing (inventory/order fulfillment), general management stuff like developing efficient company protocols and workflow, staying organized, hiring/firing, and working with the owner to figure out business direction. That sounds like a lot but again, it's a small company and I've managed to streamline most of it, and as such, typically requires only 2-3 hrs a day from home, and one day in the office.", "> \"I don't own a home, I have no family, I drive no car, I sleep in hotels. I fly from city to city, company to company, country to country and do this exact job for most of the year, every year.\"\n\nWhat the fuck kind of life is this? Is this even a man? What's the point of living if your entire life is just this? This person was turned into a robot to serve the desires of his corporate lords. This is insane. \n\nIt's sickening to see someone so removed from what makes a person a person, reworked from a living human being into a machine that exists to fatten the bottom line of a company by performing modern day executions on thousands of people a year.", "Could this guy be anymore tone deaf? The fact that he used the term \"luck\" and \"unlucky\" just shows how out of touch these CEO's are with the rest of society. This is just a game for him. The fact that this is his second mass layoff means he's just shit at his job. If you're at [Better.com](https://Better.com) get your resume together because layoffs typically happen in waves, and it's confirmed in his own words that he doesn't know how to grow his companies properly meaning he will throw his team under the bus if it means lining his pockets.", "You're missing my point despite me quoting a specific passage of your post. \n\nTo say something like if you don't like capitalism don't work there is ridiculously narrow minded. You're alluding they would have this choice, in a capitalistic society. \nImagine saying something like: \"if you didn't agree with poverty, you shouldn't have been born in a third world country\" or \"if you didn't agree with being discriminated agaisnt, you shouldn't have been black\". \n\nWhat logic is that. Surely you don't think the average person living in this country, or anywhere in the world really, has a choice in whether they want to work in a capitalistic job market? In a society where not holding a job, or several, is pretty much seen as evil? \n\nThat's what I find childish and asinine.", "That's a big bet", "Moviepass was the best of this while it lasted. We customers straight up got to spend VC money on our movie tickets, and those who made good use of the pass saved thousands. I think I saw maybe 80 movies in one summer for like $30 total.", "Only in very limited areas where they can keep track of as many hazards and map inconsistencies as possible, and only when there are ideal conditions.\n\nIts an interesting first step, but I think it illustrates how far away we are from a truly autonomous taxi.", "My brothers company brought in a person who technically didn’t work there yet to tell them their cutting by 50% by December 8th…yesterday. My brother had worked there for 12 years from grunt, to running the show. Fuck corporate.", "I don't know how to respond to your comment other than saying that I don't think it is brutal to lay off, the same way I don't think it is brutal for a company to go bankrupt, or a union to strike, or a worker to quit. These are just people exercising their free will to pursue their self interest.", "Possibly but I've seen companies do this and then turn around and quickly sell to another investor and then that investor props them up with a bunch of external funding and then they turn things around by piecemealing services that were negative assets out of the company.\n\nOne place I was at I had a whole bunch of friends that I had been working with I guess former co-workers technically but people that I'd become friends with that got let go because they were trying to become profitable and then two weeks later we had the Christmas party and we all got bonuses.", "Yay, neoliberalization!\n\nIt would actually be pretty shitty, especially for less-wealthy riders, I'm sure they will unplug drivers and rates won't fall more than 25%", "As we did. You do cold calling. Our software is for ai assisting criminal lawyers.\n\nWe found lawyers willing to pay for our service in israel as we develop it, and are expanding it once we finish dev to trial with us based lawyers.\n\nAnd you are right... but we have revenue coming in... arent in debt, and are expanding.\n\nSo whats the problem duder?", "As someone who has been the victim of several RIFs, at least he seems on the surface to be unhappy. I’ve had managers come in to lay us off sounding like they were discussing their lunch plans. At least fucking pretend you don’t want to do it.", "lol", "Well in most socialist systems there are universal programs to provide healthcare, and even sometimes income to people so getting laid off wouldn't be as brutal. \n\nI'm not saying companies should be forced to operate inefficiently, but when there are, isn't that more the fault of the CEOs and shareholders. I don't presume to have the answers, but it seems like there should be a system to put more of the repercussions onto the people who can handle it. That's literally what those people are getting paid for: their risk. The ways things work now, CEOs and shareholders are always able to escape the consequences of their own risk and push them onto employees. \n\nThat's the part of the system that's unsustainable.", "I don’t think the zoom call is a problem but the way he says it is beyond stupid and cringe. “Last time I did this I cried, I hope to be stronger this time” is so stupid to say, as the person firing the people.", "That's a nice story", "The small startup I work for did exactly that to look better as it was being acquired back in June.", "They're still being paid through the holidays.", "I think it was way more than 200 employees and while that is an option why would he do it? What is his incentive?\n\nTo me your argument doesn't track other than being a gut feeling kind of thing. So the head of the company should pay to keep his employees employed even though his job description is not to do that. Simply because they are seen as the \"richest\" person at the company.\n\nBut like, in society many of us who are just middle class are not asked to provide homes or money to the homeless even though we have astronomically more than they do.", "Huh, I don't understand economics but those numbers looked promising lol. Thanks!", "Pal it's a shame you think that. There are varying levels of skill I don't disagree with that but every job has skill involved. If you think so lowly of yourself and your colleagues it's a shame.", "I mean, if the choice is layoffs -> funding -> company lives -> 85% keep jobs, that's better than no layoffs -> no funding -> company dies -> 0% keep jobs. From this perspective, the guy just saved a ton of people.", "try harder, you almost made it to a 5 paragraph essay", "Eh ethics shmethics", "This happens… almost every tech company is virtual right now, at least he had the balls to address it himself and didn’t hide behind his HR team like most CEOs do. \n\nThe thing that bothers me the most about these types of layoffs is that they seem so short sighted at the cost of the employees well being. Its gonna cost a fuck ton of money and resources to hire back 900 when your company gets back on track than it would to just keep them on payroll.", "Not in my experience. Every company that has laid off when I worked there gave 2 weeks pay for every year you worked. Benefits ranged from 1 month to 2 year.", "No, you're right. The best 15% is now overworked because they're picking up the slack. They're going to see which way the wind is blowing and start looking for other work. Since they're the best 15%, they're going to have no trouble finding better work, but hopefully not until after the company is public/sold.\n\nI've seen it happen firsthand three or four times now, and I'm only 30.", ">And then a bunch of asshats who think it literally means \"I don't wanna work\".\n\nThere seems to be quite a few of them, and strangely they don't get downvoted like they should be if there is an important message that's being derailed.\n\nI 100% agree that people should demand better from jobs, but that sub is not a good way to do it and ends up being more of a circle jerk from people who either hate anything capitalistic or just don't want to work at all. The people demanding better from their jobs should also be demanding better from their movement.", "Crying would have been better. I didn't get a sense that he really gave a fuck. Seeing this is the second time and the holidays are coming... when you put it all together it's a pretty shit move coming from a person that reportedly has a billion dollars.", "Yeah that’s what I’m saying though, they still have massive layoffs but need better laws for severance", "But he cried last time this happened", "What company!? This sounds juicy.", "Don’t tell Ryan Bingham", "funny how you'll be labeled \"unprofessional\" for quitting- even if you put in your two weeks at a lot of places (many will just can you on the spot)\n\nbut you know... if they do it abruptly over a zoom call, nbd.\n\n[better.com](https://better.com) sounds like a scam", "Nah it’s Zoom. A Zoom Room in fact. You can see the watermark of the Zoom Room name on the lower left or the video pane.\n\nThis person has Slack open on another monitor and you can hear them typing in Slack with their mechanical keyboard as the meeting is happening. That is why\nthe Slack tile is highlighted.\n\nBetween the voice and use of the mechanical keyboard, I wonder if this person is distinguishable. \n\nSucks. Mortgage industry is run by a different breed.", "For me, it wasn’t the fact that he did it over zoom. That was efficient, and I have no problem with it. It was the fact that he droned on a bit at first and talked about how hard it was for him, the “I won’t cry thing”. \n\nI personally think it’s better just to get right to the point, and speak in terms of the employees. Say, “I’m really sorry we have to do this, but we have to make workforce cuts. If you are on this call your position was eliminated today. I’m very sorry that it came to this, and I understand that you are likely very frustrated. I know it doesn’t make this news much better, but here is the severance package we are offering you…..”. That’s how I would do it.", "The positives are that I have an iPhone, the negative is I have to fight tooth and nail for basic survival and sell my dignity and stifle all that makes me human so I don't die of starvation.\n\nShut the fuck up man.", "There’s literally a global pandemic going on, it threw a wrench in every company’s strategy.", "He deserves his bonus", "What's not brutal about that? 15% of the company laid off so a handful of people can make $50 million on an IPO instead of $20 million. The shareholders and CEOs are paid amply for the risk they incur, but they always have a way to escape the consequences of that risk and pushing it onto the employees when things go south.", "But who ended up owning and servicing your loan? That's what spooked me about them. They admitted it could be one of a number of banks.", "The last time I was RIFd, it was 2 weeks pay for every year you worked and benefits for 6 months IIRC. Which has been the standard at every place I’ve worked for the last 25 years.", "Why does he need to have emotion?", "I do not know the precise cause of this layoff, but as someone who handles hundreds of closings a year and has worked with them several times, I absolutely dread when [Better.com](https://Better.com) pops up as the borrower's chosen lender, to the point that I have half-jokingly said I should charge clients a premium if they choose to go with them.\n\nThey try to jam a one-size-fits-all procedure onto all 50 states, which leads to the same exact repeated conversations every time about how something they are \"requiring\" cannot apply to this state. Each time I have to explain to them over multiple emails why that is so.\n\nThey seem to outsource as much work as possible internationally (completely atypical in this industry, no other lender I work with does this like they do, and for good reason). Based on email replies, their employees seemed to begin each day at 6pm EST (not helpful when the banks have rigid \\~9am-5pm hours. Their departments do not communicate well with each other at all.\n\nIt's like someone read an early 2000s book on how to make a business more efficient: outsource, standardize all processes, online as much as possible, then implemented it poorly.\n\nI should add that this is not only a pain for me as a business partner, the poor communication has led to delayed closings and strife for borrowers as well.", "Look we get it. You're an asshole. You don't care about people you don't know. You think you'll be rich someday and it won't matter what anyone thinks about you. \n\nBut when things get so bad that people turn on the rich, it'll be your head on the proverbial chopping block. Nobody will wanna defend someone like you. You're outnumbered and outclassed", "Cab cleaning fees for someone else's puke.\n\nCancellation fees.\n\nDemand pricing that changes mid-ride.", "worse.com", "> Humans are self centered. Most of us, including most of the people reading this, are kind of a holes.\n\nWhat are you talking about? A few guys at the top laid off thousands so they can make bank and this is your watermark for all of humanity? \n\nYou're telling on yourself here.", "Personally I would enjoy getting laid off for a while.\n\n300 days of guaranteed pay and a market which screams for my competence. Would get me off my ass to seek a new job too.\n\nMaybe travel to Thailand or some other South-East Asian country for a few months to recharge the batteries and then get back into slaving again.", "I’ve never been fired, but I’ve been in plenty of stressful and unexpected situations. I agree that their reactions did not feel genuine, they were way too rational and rehearsed. There was no fear.", "What did you hear was said about the laid off group in the later meeting? \n\nSounds insane that he had to be that coerced into severance pay when firing 15% of his labor force 3 weeks before Christmas.\n\nEdit: Also, sorry this happened to you and your colleagues. Fucked up.", "They’re shitty at the corporate level too with sexual harassment claims and settlements abound.", "I’m sure there are better ways to do this", "Good luck with that.", "Yeah I'm not sure what the point of uploading this video is? To show that he did the wrong thing of making a tough business decision and laying off people?", "That’s an automatic red flag for a company. Why would they feel the need to explicitly state they won’t lay you off in December? What about all the other months lmao", "> Is this even a man?\n\n[What is a man?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjYjUdMsf00)", "More like Worse.com amirite?", "Honestly, it sucks but I’ve been part of 2 mass layoffs in my career and at least this CEO made it a point to own the decision and let everyone know swiftly. Being marched in and out of HRs office or watching others go through it is worse than this in my opinion.", "Should the CEO do the honourable thing and take a 15% salary cut?", "I was just about to fire one of my employees that I’ve known for 6 years, after being in the role for less than a year. Even though he was caught stealing time, it was still a difficult decision. \n\nDude ended up submitting his 2 weeks, figured I’d be nice and just let him leave.. Ended up calling in sick every day to bleed out his sick time that doesn’t get paid out.", "Some theorize that it will put an end to parking lots. \nBut here in Murica people want their cars and land so I’m not sure how that will play out.", "Capitalism has, if you haven’t noticed, taken a huge toll on the world.", "The problem is that nowadays we live in a Dunning Kruger amplifying bubble. Terms are shifted from their original meaning and propagated by politicians and media who have never read the original books.\n\nSo capitalism and extreme neoliberalism have pretty much become one. Lessez fair meant to leave the market alone and it should adjust itself, not privatise profits, and make losses public by bailing out corporations and banks making risky gambles. If a private entity is too big to fail it should be too big to exist. That's why in the past US has stopped in and broken corporations to pieces( Bell )\n\nThe same applies to socialism. If you ask 100 Americans what socialism stands for I doubt you will find one who knows.\n\nSo let's keep in using late stage capitalism so that impending doom is more and more clear to the average Joe.", "Check the guys comment history, he's posted 75 comments (Not hyperbole, literally 75 comments and counting) defending Better.com's CEO in the last 20 hours, almost all of which are paragraphs of text. I wouldn't expect the CEO themselves to comment so furiously and with such commitment, jumping across multiple threads even to post pages of text \n\nI think he may be unwell, maybe everyone should start ignoring him", "Rates bottomed out around the first of this year averaging around 2.66% and now are 3.11% and are on an upward trend.", "Am I supposed to feel sympathy? I would do the same thing. If you're not gonna pay out sick time then I'm gonna take it.", "Double lol.", "What's the alternative? Firing you when you show up after you've wasted the trip in? Fire you halfway through the day so you don't even get paid for the full day but had to go in and work a bit anyway?\n\nEnd of the day is the most sensible.", "Not even now. This is a business tactic as old as time.", "Tell me you have no marketable skill or provide anything of value to the world without telling me you have no marketable skill or provide anything of value to the world.", "Pretty decent severance. I just got laid and they basically said “sucks to be you”. Soooo yeah, I’d take that package happily.", "correct", "Zelle or Zillow? Zillow did also have massive layoffs, also because of poor business modeling", "\"last time I cried\" - yes you are the real victim.", "All their autonomous vehicles will run on baby blood", "Not all companies can make the margins like software companies. In the beverage industry, regardless of alc or non-alc beverage, there’s only so much margin to be made as there’s only so much some people will pay for a beverage. Same with some retail.", "Three's not too bad. Hopefully it'll scare people into buying so they aren't stuck with higher rates.", "Right?? My heart dropped when he got to the \"if you're on this call\" part. I was like, oh no", "Actual communism or what the right wing thinks is communism? Because cheap government healthcare and a UBI is not \"communism.\"", "And wherever we see private property rights lost, we see even greater tolls taken.", "Lmao did you just say \"good luck with that\" in response to me saying \"I assumed you were intelligent\"?\n\nNice of you to admit it is a dumb idea to assume you're smart.", "Others have commented that. The thing is, oddly enough this man seemed happy. Well, not happy as in elated but content with his lot.", "True. I have a friend who works at Better. Apparently after this layoff call, the CEO had an all hands meeting with the remaining employees, where he basically said “you all need to work extra hard, or you’re next!” \n\nMy friend and many of his colleagues are actively looking to get out of that shit show. The only people that’ll be left are the shitty employees no one else wants to hire.\n\nI really hope someone recorded and will post that second video.", "I’m a staunch capitalist and I am 100% for employment contracts. So long as both sides are fulfilling their duties to the other, the financial contract should be fulfilled.", "Long time entrepreneur here. This is very true, and happens almost 100% of the time depending on the domain. It's not a bait-n-switch move, it's necessary when you are starting out with few customers and competing against companies with millions.\n\nIt does work for a while, the trick is to slowly transition over to a business model that makes money from your new customer base without pissing off your new customers. It's not easy, and a large number of companies don't do it well.\n\nI feel sorry for this CEO, he's delivering a hard message - and of course it's over zoom in today's environment. This should not have been publicly posted...", "HR company ? Do businesses outsource their HR?", "How can they lay people off effective immediately and only pay was it four weeks salary? Plus whatever benefits for a couple months but they only have to pay four weeks salary for terminating a contract effective immediately? What if I had 9 months left on the contract etc?", "I don't mind it being delivered through Zoom. But the fact that he's reading off from a written dialogue...man.", "That is exactly what is happening. The purchase side is on fire.", "Ignorance is a helluva drug. Have fun with that!", "I didn’t know Slack could do a conference that large", "Thanks! You make it seem so fun.", "What is wrong with the last statement you made though? So they couldn't find labor and then increased pay to such a degree so that people started applying again.\n\nWho doesn't run a business that way? If I start a restaurant am I going to pay 40 per hour out of the gate? Maybe if it's a three michilen star place but I expect the wait staff who apply to have plenty of experience and know the menu cold. Otherwise am I just going to pay 40 an hr just to be a nice guy? Sounds like a good recipe to go out of business. \n\nUPS is a completely unionized workforce and the pay is amazing but you have to grind your way up and it's entirely seniority based which has its own drawbacks.", "That is their end-goal, but their practise of working at a loss is due to their attempt to take over the market. It's the default move for new startups and pays massive dividends down the line. But it usually results in pissing matches like the one between Uber, Lyft and others and just ends in massive spending. \n\nIt sounds like Better. com is trying to take that same philosophy to mortgages.", " so they'd be basically selling people's mortgages to other banks? \n\nif so doesn't this plot sound awfully familiar?", "Imagine you're in a building that's caught on fire. You'd run right out the door, and then make fun of those who stayed to help other people.", "I had an old family friend who used to do this for a living. Always refered to it as being a hatchet man. He idolizes a lot of what he did as \"being the man who could do/say the hard things.\" \n\nAlways struck me as the smart-ass engineer you might know. The one who's so assured that he is literally the smartest man in any given room. He probably wasn't wrong but didn't have the social skills to actually capitalize any of that. \n\nHis wife and him used to have fights in the middle of parties. Never loud but very nasty. When asked not to she replied \"it's fine, we don't mind it\".\nShe called one of the dishes I made \"too low brow\" and literally insisted I make french onion soup for their super bowl party once. \n\nAlways made me a little happy to know that about half his kids never spoke to him and at least one of the other ones joined a cult.", "They've still been fired before the holidays. Do you think they're going to be able to travel to see their families or buy them gifts knowing they're on very limited funds?\n\nFiring a ton of people right before the holidays is a shit thing to do, and we need to stop giving these companies free passes and excuses", ">it would benefit people who don't have a car, but most people in the US do\n\n[Car ownership](https://edc.nyc/article/new-yorkers-and-their-cars) in NYC is <50%. Ownership varies with access to mass transit. Other dense cities without a lot of free parking are probably similar. That said, there are still times (like 3AM) when you just want to go straight home, alone.\n\nMy guess is that after true autonomous driving is real, there will be a variety of options for accessing a car, including full ownership, fractional ownership, subscriptions, rental, private ride hailing, and shared rides.", "I mean, myself I asked him how much he was paid to this sort of thing to people and if it was enough. 40K + travel & expenses. I think that is a little low for such a job, but I guess if you have no home to support, and you have debts, it is a good pay. Still, to do that day in an day out.", "I think you might be reading some things into my comment that I wasn’t intending to convey. I don’t think poorly of myself, or that kind of work at all. I certainly don’t think less of anyone else that does it. Clearly there is some niche here that isn’t currently being filled by automation and I gladly took pay to do it. That being said, I don’t think that I would qualify it as skilled labor. This is not to imply that the work doesn’t deserve fair compensation, but I fail to see how you could become an expert bar code scanner. Also, this was years ago in my past and I work a much more engaging/interesting job now 🙂", "I work for one of their largest competitors and can provide some insight into this. They were planning on going public and wanted to fluff their numbers up to look better with the number of active loans they had on the books. To do this, they tried to completely undercut the market and did a LOT of business at a loss. The worst part about this is that after laying off the staff, he gave himself like a $20,000,000 bonus. [Better.com](https://Better.com) is a terrible company that treats their employees horribly, which is saying a lot for our industry. Most mortgage companies are churn and burn, requiring long hours with 100% commission income, and strict requirements to even keep your job. As soon as your numbers start to go down a majority of mortgage companies will get rid of you. If you find someone that has been with their company for 4+ years, that is an exception and not the norm.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThat being said, I'm thankful that I work for a solid company and not EVERY company out there is like [Better.com](https://Better.com). To anyone else considering getting into loan origination, please do your research so you aren't taken advantage of. Do proper planning and when you are closing a lot of loans make sure you save back because it's definitely a feast or famine industry.", "Buddy you're living in a frustrated fantasy land. Because you lack any valuable skills you want to band together with your other loser friends and form a pathetic army of unmotivated talentless wimps with no grasp on how to make it in society? Good fucking luck with that dude, but maybe get a hobby in the meantime.", "Can confirm, I had a delayed closing due to poor communication from the closing “specialist”.", "Communism is dumb", "K", "Well, perhaps this man sidestepped all of that by simply being alone. In a way, it sounds preferable.\n\n>The one who's so assured that he is literally the smartest man in any given room. He probably wasn't wrong but didn't have the social skills to actually capitalize any of that. \n\nThis is often too true, some very smart people have the social skills of a stone and thus go nowhere in life. I saw plenty of coworkers in the software field that fit that description.", "The guy I responded to was definitely in the “all welfare is socialism”. He’s who I was responding to, that’s the matter at hand.", "I worked at Ameris ace for almost 11 yrs as one of the top underwriters until June 2019. It’s a sweatshop. I made a ton of money but resigned to go to a much better mortgage company (not better.com, although i did interview with them March of 2019. They wanted me to fly to CA and I wasn’t comfortable with doing so and plus, I went with a place that had underwriters that gave the the company I went with glowing reviews). Anyway, Amerisave ‘trained’ originators that it was a numbers game. I made so much money declining files than approving files (we got paid equally for both). It was horrendous. They did not care. A lot changed when the current President came into play (Mike Berte). A lot of us old school people left that summer. They were always shit, but us old timers who grew up in the industry really tried to make it work. When we all left….good Lord….I would never use them. I could tell you stories that would make your skin crawl.", "This is what Melania wanted! Be Better!", "They don't tell new staff they aren't going to be laid off in December when they get hired.\n\nHR tells management every year to not do any lay offs in December.", "We are living in an era of hybrid work - he had to deliver this message, so of course he used zoom. What was he gonna do, drive to everyone's house? Force them to come in to get laid off?\n\nI don't know this CEO or his company, but I have a really good idea what he is going through and I promise you he's not \"high-fiving his mates.\" He's probably drinking heavily. This was a really tough call for him...this type of thing is never easy.", "\"If you could get a quick cheap ride to/from transportation hubs it'd make them 1000x more useful\"\n\nSooooo, like a bus?", "Sounds like a fantastic reason to unionize", "If the company is shit, then yes, let it go out of business.\n\nWe don't really know the facts without looking at the company profit or losses", "I don't think it plummeted in 2020- it was almost impossible to get certain types of refis in a timely fashion because mortgage companies were so busy", "Glad we at least agree on something", "I mean if he was capable to that degree i Imgine this zoom call would not be happening lol", "We don’t produce software or a service. We produce a physical product. There is no way to sell the product if it isn’t manufactured. You can’t cold call your way into the capital required to make the machine that makes the product. \n\nWhat the fuck is so hard for you to understand about capital costs for machinery?", "Not at all", "Also he could’ve had the head of HR do this performance, he had the guts to do it himself.", "Now we know why senior execs spend inordinate amounts of money hiring professionals to come in and walk them through largely pointless PR trainings just so they know how to set up the \"proper\" way to deliver bad news. \n\nPeople will find a thousand \"very good\" reasons to shit on the way they inflected the 8th word of the 16th sentence when the real heavy hitter is the content of the message itself.", "Not nessasarily. I don't know the exact situation of course and I'm just playing devils advocate here but maybe they had too many employees to begin with. Maybe they realized 15% of the people at the company were \"working from home\" and contributing absolutely nothing at all.", "oh no, he could still do that... but he would never mention crying the last time he did it.. for example... that would be out after the first review, lol", "That doesn't take into account all the support roles though. Technically an accountant isn't making the company any money compared to a salesperson, but are you going to get rid of all your accountants/IT people/etc?", "Better.com fired 900 workers after getting $750 million from SoftBank \n\nThe call terminating the employees reportedly lasted 3 minutes.\n\nhttps://www.protocol.com/bulletins/better-com-layoffs", "If you need to lay off 15% of the workforce, without warning, out of the blue... you're pretty damn bad at your job.", "It's probably a bit of both.\n\nHR sends out reminders in the beginning of November that any \"staffing changes\" must be completed by the end of November.", "Lol this comment is based entirely off of nothing", "There must have been a better way to do this.", "And 3 months of COBRA payments", "Unskilled labor obviously doesn’t meant it literally requires zero skills. Obviously that’s not true, or it wouldn’t be something you could get paid to do. It means “this job does not require any prior experience or education to do”. You learn what you need on the job.", "London docklands light railway would like a word.", "Explain to my why a CEO has to care about people that are no longer working for him", "And what the fuck is so hard for you to understand not every company needs to go that route?\n\nWe arent in similar industries, so why are you expecting me to conform to the shitty vc process if we dont need it?\n\nYoure the one who talked their way into a corner that only your business is legitimate, and its not on me your founders decided to go that route. They could have worked a day job and saved the 3 mil. Not on me they opted to effectively hand over control of their company to others.\n\n\nOn yall for deciding to go investor route. We dont need it. So why are you calling me a dumbass when shits working for us.", "If a CEO has to lay-off 15% of the workforce then they have failed as CEO and should step down as well.", "no.", "Oh yea sorry I meant I don't think it is evil.", "Nah.", "“They could have worked a day job and saved $3M”\n\nLoooooooooooooool", "I don’t want to he a dick, but how else is a company supposed to lay off 15% if their people? Door to door singing telegrams? \n\nThis would have been just as impersonal at any company.", "I got sold twice. But better was such an easy process to get out of Wells Fargo", "Dude knows how to play the game. Id do the same as him", "The problem people have with his decision is not because of the layoffs but because of him pretending to care - specifically because the company got a nice chunk of change not long before this announcement. \n\nSo the lay-offs are not to have the company survive - but to have some sleazy process to make even more money at the expense of those depending on his choices.", "I refuse to believe that the vast majority of people look at people being fired right before Christmas and think \"this is perfectly normal and not a sign of complete sociopaths\" because that's what this is. It's such an old trope in movies, they don't even do it anymore because it's so on the nose.", "I shouldn’t have been nice, I could’ve had HR refuse his two week notice and fired him anyways. But my boss thought “he’s not going to do anything harmful”.. had to pay out an extra week of pay for nothing.", "I like how redditors unironically think it isn't easier to slack off or work less than you should at home", "Mr. CEO, do better.com", "I worked for this CFO when he was with myrichuncle, same thing. Feel sorry for the employees", "I had to perform mass layoffs once and we actually had a counselor train us and give us tips before we did it. \n\nApparently it’s better to rip off the bandaid, be very stoic and robotic, and just move on than to try to make it empathetic. I guess that way the employee can process the news faster or something. Still feels awful though.", "Is this worse than an email? It sucks when anyone is laid off but at least he has the balls to tell them to their face and in real time.", "The 2 things don't have to be mutually exclusive. Many times when an investment round is introduced, investors will also base their deal around this because the end goal is: investors also want to make their investments worth it. The ones who invests a lot of money don't just sell straight up at IPO, theyre in it for the investment allocation with their own timeframe. Assuming laying off 15% employees just to create a pump and dump is not worth it, they can make so much more by keep milking the companies. Nothing is truly \"sustainable\", everything has its own expiration date, the decision is shitty for sure, but at the end a company exists to make profits, and it drives society to be efficient which created many great things but it comes with its own flaw, as should any ideal. Again, most of the time no company has malicious intent, they only have goals and solution to lead to that goal.", "Yeah bro, keep acting like a stubborn toddler that needs the last word, really makes you look good.\n\nI'll turn inbox replies off for you so you can have your moment. Enjoy.", "No Job November.", "Alright", "“It’s all part of the experience, honey!” -Clark", "I tried to refi a mortgage with Chase.\n\nThey lost my paperwork 4 times and switched my contact person more than that for \"reasons\". And every time the new person was put on my case, they'd be like sorry we don't have those signed papers.\n\nI was just fuckin done with them by that point and cancelled the entire thing.", "They're expecting business to slow down and these 15% won't have enough work to do.", "They should thank him for the severance and benefits. They are probably the bottom 15% and probably don't deserve anything but a boot out the door.", "I work in HR. When we did mass layoffs a while ago we made the employee’s manager deliver the news and we just sat in the room to go over the severance plan.", "This is why I'm fine that the house my husband and I are closing on next week is an older manufactured home. We can afford the bills on one income and it has a nice yard so we can get a dog for our 8yo son. We have an older, used car we inherited and buy pretty much everything with cash. We're happy. We get to spend a lot of time together as a family. \n\n\nI do know we're very fortunate for my husband to have the job he has, but we have also tried to keep our life simple. Heck, my husband had to get a credit card to qualify for a house loan because we literally had no credit. No debt, either, though. I hate the rat race and how our capitalist system values people spending their lives chasing a bigger house, newer car, vacation home, trips to Disney, etc. Consume, consume, consume...", "How is that even possible? The last 2 years in the mortgage industry have been some of, if not, the best since NINJA loans in the early 200s. Even with increasing rates the bumble shouldn't really even pop for another 5 years. I can see them trimming the fat but I'm blow away they were losing 100 million a quarter right now", "I mean they are getting paid until january so I'm sure they'll be fine. Plus benefits.", "They gave them severance and benefits which is more than they deserve.", "With so many companies still work from home … getting this news on zoom is better than a telephone call or an awkward meeting in the HR room. The severance isn’t bad either", "12 months?! After disparaging every individual to justify such a lack of leadership and insensitivity?!\n\nFuck this guy and that company.", "Oh, buddy. You better believe I’m signing that petition.", "Honestly it’s better to tell people before Christmas so hopefully they don’t over extend themselves financially. \n\nAt least this way they can plan ahead.", "Keep up with the Jonessssssss. Have fun.", "My mother had found a job she truly enjoyed doing, and made a lot of friends working there. She was fired by a text message, from the owners when covid hit. And it basically said, you're fired due to covid. No apology, no thank you for all the help, no hope you land on your feet, none of that.", ">It's sickening to see someone so removed from what makes a person a person, reworked from a living human being into a machine that exists to fatten the bottom line of a company by performing modern day executions on thousands of people a year. \n\nThere's a lot of people who genuinely don't give a fuck about others and would happily gut you if it helped them.\n\nThis is why people need to stick together, defend their rights AND fight tooth and nail for extra rights.", "Better is an online, cut rate mortgage company. They offered \"super low rates\", likely barely earning a profit on each loan. They hired a large swath of entry level loan officers and placed them on salary in early 2020 when refinances really started to take off. Now, rates are starting to rise and the refi-boom is potentially coming to an end. This means the do not have the volume of loans needed to sustain the number of loan officers they hired, especially on salary. When they lose 10%-20% of their loans, they will have to layoff accordingly. Any of the loan officers who didn't see this coming weren't doing any industry research and were just being worker bees. People who did see this coming probably are savvy enough to be already looking for a new job and have gained enough mortgage knowledge over the past 18 months to secure a better paying self-generating loan officer job.", "Vishal Garg, CEO of ‘unicorn’ mortgage lender startup Better.com—after receiving a $750 million cash infusion with a valuation of around $7 billion—bluntly informed his 900 employees that a large number of people will be fired in a cold, awkward one-way video announcement, Thursday.", "https://www.vice.com/en/article/88ggy3/ceo-feels-terrible-about-laying-off-900-employees-over-video-chat-does-it-anyway", "If you really like travel it can be a benefit too. I have a couple friends who would take huge cuts in pay to be able to travel frequently. With per diems as well you're living expenses are almost nothing. Bank the points and go on a couple baller vacations ever year. Get consistently upgraded on a large percentage of the flights you take. Chill in lounges. etc. etc.\n\nIt's not for everybody, but there's definitely a significant subset of people that wouldn't hate it.", "I can see this being a surprise to those never experiencing it. I thought back at my own labor record. I outlasted two lumber mills,(to the very last day) hard labor. A shoe factory, an air guard unit on war orders. None of it mattered. the nightmarish ending in my young life was line of duty disabled...with no proper paper work from a guard unit. after an inpatient stay at the wrong hospital (incapacitated).. Law caught on, I then breezed right though to pensions people still argue over. Keep trucking on. Don't let these spike in the graph companies bother you. I had to watch classic labor go away to leave the big empty brick buildings that still talk of clothing and shoes etc.", "Yeah when this was posted yesterday people were giving the CEO a lot of shit. I doubt it's easy to run a huge company in a down yet.\n\nBetter.com just got a huge infusion of capital, and I promise you that capital came with \"cut your costs\" requirements, and the CEO did what was best for the company. Better to lay off 15% then risk going under and laying off 100%.\n\nNow I know basically nothing about this specific CEO, maybe he is a true piece of shit, but this video does not indicate he is.", "So cringe", "Uber doesn't have an end goal. The only goal that mattered has been achieved by the original investors through selling a fantasy of self-driving cars to the stock market and them getting the fuck out of dreamland.", "Wait till you learn something called risk versus rewards, then you will understand why these decisions are being made, assuming your assumption about 20 vs 50 mil is right. They risk the same amount of dollars for less rewards, that is not sustainable for them in the long run. Ask yourself if u pay 8 instead of 4 bucks for a burger at mcdonald because you think the staffs are overworked and you'll understand. People actually do the exact same behavior but usually in much smaller scale, but don't think much about it. Firing 15% of workforce is shitty for sure, but don't think it's the greed like they are having fun to lay off people, it's a business decision and should involve as close to 0 emotion as possible, that's how success come from, rationality.", "You can’t prescribe whether an action is binary good or bad based on the outcome for a single stakeholder party. That’s a completely unnuanced and biased way to evaluate a decision. \n\nIf you ran a business which unnecessarily kept on an extra 20% of your workforce because you “owe them a job”, that business would not last very long.\n\nIt seems horrifically unfair when you’re on the receiving end, but there’s a reason for the decision. They don’t just do this for shits and giggles.", "All the better shills showing in the comments and I'm just a millennial here who will never be able to afford a house eating popcorn 😂😂", "99/100 CEO's who run startups are scumbags... par for the course.", "Saying what they could have done to keep control of their company and not have to worry about an exit tanking them.\n\nIf you have investors they can kill your company at any time.\n\nToo much risk, and i want to control my enterprise until i decide to pass it on.", "A lot of originators (maybe most?) do this.", "Took a business class in college and thing you know how it all works, eh?", "Great argument", "I mean that's not really a conspiracy that's just obvious", "It is some kind of online mortgage broker service which is an industry that most of the time is more heavily automated than they were & is reaching the end of a growth phase.\n\nThey just were going through an acquisition and the buyer is well known for making certain efficiency ratios a condition of purchase.\n\nI suspect they were out of runway with their investment capital and had a choice of selling or closing when the current run of high volume comes to an end.\n\nPreserving 90% of your staff at that point is actually pretty good.", "Most likely a higher rate then…", "A single company struggling can’t be used to gauge the entire economy.", "That sweater is such a red flag", "Can you explain why you think they don't deserve any severance or benefits if you think that's more than they deserve?\n\nNot trying to catch you out or anything, just really want to understand what leads you to not want severance and benefits if you ever had to be let go from a job. Seems quite counterproductive.", "Agree, many are either too naive or dumb to think they would sacrifice their own benefits when it comes down to a must make decisions.", "entirely possible, but i think if he's going to come out and say that then people are justified in blaming him. i know someone who was on the second call, where he said \"i should have done this three months ago\", which is funny because that's when he started filling the roles he just cut at about $5k less per year. i think the pitchforks are a little dramatic, but he deserves at least a wag of the finger.", "That's cool, I'm not saying it shouldn't exist. Just that private autonomous car ownership would make it a niche business. Only really used by people that don't normally need a car, like said people in dense cities.", "i dont think there's anything cringier than: 'I wish am sure when you leave us...... '", "I was laid off of a large financial tech firm via a literal phone call back in 2015. Not a zoom, no face to the decision, just a scheduled mandatory conference call:\n\n “hey guys, gotta cut back spending, if you get an email, pack up and see HR for a severance package.” click", "The practice itself wasn’t the problem to begin with. If you couldn’t sell mortgages to banks then only really large institutions would grant them (I think?). \nThe problem with the 2008 bubble was that high-risk, likely-to-default mortgages were being sold as solid low-risk ones.", "I agree. Although most jobs would accept your resignation effective immediately the first day you call out during a two-week notice.", "You can't prove that.\n\nEdit: people must not have got my joke lol", "If I can contribute to softbank's burn rate, I'm all for it", "We need more of these videos. Companies try to scare employees into not recording and sharing that recording. Fuck them, record and post this bullshit.", "Guy who filmed should’ve been better at his job", "I find always interesting that the CEO rarely offers to take a huge payout to help the mission or company", "Better gives you 2000K cash back if you use Amex. I had to pull 150k out, and Better couldn't beat my other broker with my credit, but I will use them in a few months. They beat everyone else handily.", "This is very common in the mortgage industry. A lot of lenders sell their loans, but the problem with better doing that is they originally disclosed to their clients that they will not be selling their loans but rather servicing them. I don't know how they would be able to reverse that and then sell their loans, it would be out of compliance.", "They're not selling to other banks, because banking regulation has been tightened significantly since 2008... they're selling to the non-bank financial sector, i.e. shadow banks. The wider financial sector (including banks) is as unhealthy as 2008 today.", "my experience with them has to be right up there. Amerisave was a hellish combination of poorly working tech, incompetence, bad communication, and lies. Eventually I just decided to eat about $500 in fees and move on to greener pastures. Mortgage business is tough. Lots of ups and downs and one of the reasons my employer got out of the business years ago was they didn't like having to lay people off in cycles. At least, that's what I heard.", "Your comment suggests “these times” are indeed tough economic times.", "It's probably specified in the employee contract.\n\nIn the case you're describing, and if I knew I wouldn't get my PTO paid out. I would just use my sick days and then quit without a notice. I'd start my new job while I was \"sick\"", "Never refinance with big banks. I have all three big banks and they all suck for consumer lending. Stick to credit unions or brokers.", "U/SaveVideo", "Wait is this not the norm now? When the pandemic started and After a year of working there, I (and some 10 year vets) got laid off over a zoom call.", "Well America restricted their business so they bailed them out. No lockdown, no bailout. Different situation.", "u/SaveVideo", "Especially since they probably have the workforce working remotely. \n\nIf you are working out of office for the last two years, what are you expecting? This is how we do work now.\n\nIf the problem is the bonus, put “after 25 million dollar bonus” in the title instead of “over zoom call”. The problem isn’t the call.", "Don't all banks sell all mortgages to Freddie Mac / Fannie Mae eventually?", "It's hilarious how many \"growth strategies\" are just different ways of legal ponzi schemes", "To correct you a bit, i think life is fair because on average the people that promotes non efficiency like this won't be successful, and the people who are rational and can make tough decisions are rewarded with success, so i believe it makes more sense to say life is not equal, but fair.", "Not defending Better in particular, but hiring can be incredibly tricky to predict. It's very easy to be losing work and money due to being understaffed only to hire a bunch and suddenly be stuck with a excess staff due to changes in project work or the state of the market. \n\nMaybe it was negligent but it could have also been a good faith attempt to ramp up their workforce for the demand they were anticipating. Given what people are saying about this CEO and the company it definitely seems negligent in this case though.", "I thought the end goal for Uber and Lyft is to get to the point where they force local taxi companies out of business and THEN jack up their prices as there is no more competition", "It's not just about method of communication, it's what actions a company takes that lead to this point.\n\nAn ethical company avoids at all costs getting itself INTO the position of NEEDING to do layoffs, by building their business sustainably in a way that allows them to weather down periods without exploding.\n\nCompanies like that, on the rare occasion when they do wind up needing to do some lay-offs, will often do things like allocate rainy-day money for severance packages, and then send mandates downward hierarchically, like \"Okay, we need to lose 10% headcount in each department, here is how much severance money each team leader has to do that.\" That's when you'll get things like a team leader calling each of their direct reports in one-by-one to gauge where their current feelings lie about their job, and see if someone would be willingly interested in taking a severance package, because maybe they were one foot out the door already.\n\nA shitty company, on the other hand, does not plan with employees' well-being in mind. It hires boom-and-bust style, chases profit relentlessly, and drops people the instant their profit dips a few percent lower than usual. That's how a surprise \"you're fired\" call like this happens.\n\nIt's a question of overall priorities in business planning.\n\nLayoffs always suck, but it's like surgery. Good surgery involves planning, anesthesia, after-care, rehab, etc. Bad surgery is a civil war sawbones hacking your leg off and cauterizing it with the bottom of a teakettle because they didn't provision enough bandages.", "How else do you do it in a situation where everyone works remotely. This is way better than an email.", "> The only people that’ll be left are the shitty employees no one else wants to hire.\n\nNot always true plenty of people just aren't 'smart' or brave enough to go looking, and others are foolish enough to think if they stay they'll be valued and perhaps promoted.", "Suppose this calls for #FJB Let’s Go Brandon!!!!", "Not that I approve of mass layoffs, but if you’re working for a startup there are inherent risks and volatility. As a potential employee you need to do your homework and go into that employment with your eyes wide open.", "Lesson learned lol", "Never heard of it.", "What rate did you get?!", "That sucks, but would it be better to have them come onto the office just to be fired?", "Oof watch out for the comrade brigade man", "Do you...not think that? It's absurdly true, in my experience.", "Not a CEO, but I’ve had to fire people over the course of my career. It’s never easy, even if the employee really, really deserves it. One of the most surreal experiences was when I was on vacation in Italy and had to listen to the company all hands where it was explained that a percentage of the workforce had been let go including members of my team. Since I was on vacation and didn’t know it was coming, my boss had to deal with the employees on my team who were let go. I spoke with each of them afterwards and helped them get new jobs. They were all highly employable and all ended up doing just fine.", "Hey wait a minute, I think I've heard this story before...", "I think you underestimate how spread out most of the population is.", "They turned your firing into a joke in a PowerPoint presentation? How did you all not rise up as one and slay them?", "We still pay out vacation, we pay out floating holiday. We give additional paid holidays than just the federally recognized ones. I take out them out for lunch often. Next week was going to be our sales appreciation week where each of them plus the other sales teams were going to be getting breakfast and lunch every day. We’re handing out swag bags, free product, pairs of tickets to a local venue to take their family for holiday festivities, etc. On top of offering them tickets to various sporting events throughout the year. \n\nSo it’s not like we’re just “withholding sick hours”, to be cheap. But the rest of his team is having to work harder because of him and his choices. It’s a rather “safe” job, you have to be actually doing some incredibly wrong to get HR’s approval for termination and I had it. Shame on me for being too generous.", "It's a fairly large company, so the fact it was a Zoom call was the least bad thing about it. Over 900 people were laid off.", "> At Will employment. You can quit the same way on a zoom call if you wanted to. I see no reason to be mad at this process when you signed up for it. \n\nMan, life sure is great in the US.", "This is how I lost my job at the start of CoVID too. Not sure why this is so unbelievable", "Cocaine has a way of making you lose sleep, perhaps that first encounter was just after a bender and that's why he looked the way he did.", "We get 4 weeks per year of service (12 weeks minimum payout, 2 year minimum employment time). So to me this seems shitty, benefits aren't really a thing here (at least in my line of work) so can't comment on that.", "I’d rather be told before Christmas so I have time to adjust things financially.", "Softbank’s probably the ones who told them they have to lay off their employees. \n\nHow can you say the lay off isn’t necessary? If the company can operate with 15% fewer employees then they absolutely should do so.\n\nI know that sounds pretty messed up but that’s how an efficient company should work.", "Wonder what his bonus will be this year", "The practice is absolutely not ok, even without 2008 shenanigans. We got our mortgage through a place we trusted, then a couple of years later, it was sold to some sketchy company who made it far more difficult to pay them properly and out giant fees on being late, and we had no recourse or say in what company we were dealing with. It was then sold again to another company who was less shady, but the couple of times we needed info on anything, their customer service was utter garbage. \n\nIt is ridiculous that we can sign what will be, for most people, the longest-term financial contract of their life, for the most money of their life, and then without having any say in the matter, it's suddenly, \"oh, that contract is now with Bob's Fly-by-Night Mortgage over there. Good luck!\"", "Anywhere in the head. 5 in the back, like where your spine is located.", "That feels like a scene from the office.", "The question is at what point do these excessive compensations become insufficient explanation for loss incurred at the expense of the workers. I get that a business is designed to make money, but why is underpaying/overworking or laying off people so the execs can get an extra couple mil considered the right way to run a business? It's not like without lay offs the company would be going under and the execs and shareholders would get nothing. It's not business savvy, it's just greed. And at a time when the wealth gap is wider than ever, it's unsustainable.", "Better.com is rated 4.1/5 stars to work for on Glassdoor.com - And the CEO has an 84% approval rating. I'd assume those #s will drop by at least 15%.", "AOL\n\nHim firing an employee in a meeting made the news, as did his blaming screwing over employee's 401ks on a 'distressed baby' that had just been born.\n\nEdit- stock price soared between getting spun off by Time Warner and bought by Verizon, so definitely nothing was going to be done about him.", "“Now in other news, I’m getting a few million extra bonus this year for balancing the budget!”", "It would if they didn’t have a monopoly. You think they alone would have self driving tech?", "> And over the last 15 months, my firm (a very large player in finance) lost a lot of deals to better Because they were pricing at almost free. No origination charges, lower than market interest rates. This move is surprising to no one who works in finance\n\nI’ve seen so many companies suddenly start slitting their own throats just to get a heap of business in their backlog because it looks good to potential investors.", "It was in the design department, I definitely would have been in this round of layoffs.", "What the hell was he supposed to do? Send an email?", "Laying people off en masses on a Zoom call... Wrong?", "whats your salary Vishal? is it an efficient salary?", "God I loved that year. I kept telling people they need to get on this now because it's not going to last for long. Some did, some kept waiting and going, \"this can't be real.\" Meanwhile, I was over here recreating the bomb scene from Dr Strangelove, waving my hat in the air the whole way down. Only, I hopped off at the end and just had a great ride.", "Sounds amazing. Hope your compensation is good. Hold on to that job as long as you can!", "Yea he does. Rates have gone up, so the profit margins for originating mortgages are extremely slim.\n\nRefis are going away because everyone already refinanced. It wouldn’t surprise me if there are more layoffs to come", "Could be... and maybe it was even on purpose?\n\nI've never knowingly seen someone coming off a cocaine bender.", "Yep, in fact it goes to servicing by a partner called TMS, The Money Source, before being sold. So you end up dealing with three different companies. TMS was mostly painless though, but it does suck having to give them all your infos.", "> but hiring can be incredibly tricky to predict.\n\nThat's why you have a buffer of money that goes up and down with with the market. On down turns take money out of the buffer, in up turns put it in. There is literally no excuse. The only reason a company might not have this is they want to use that buffer to re-invest and make more money - which is just pure greed as your gambling with your employees livelihoods.", "Eat the rich", "Out of all reasons to not be fired how can you possibly think “I need to buy my family gifts” is one of them", "Hey, it’s hard for the CEO, too. I mean, he cried last time. Luckily, he was stronger this time. 🙄", "I’d rather walk 20 feet to my desk to get fired than spend 30 minutes and gas just to be fired in person and then drive back home. Plus I don’t need to box anything up.", "If the CEO has to lay off 15% of the company at once then that is a failure of the executive team. The people in charge of hiring decisions and forecasts are the ones that fucked up yet mysteriously aren't the ones ever dismissed for such an abject failure at the highest levels of running the business. Marge at the front desk and Tim in receiving didn't misallocate company resources and staffing decisions. The CFO, CEO, and VPs did that.", "It's better to do it before the holidays than right after when people have spent a bunch of money. \n\nBut that's only if you have to do it during this period.", "\"look more attractive\"\n\nAaand now they have bad PR from this whole thing. I swear, IPOs seem to grab the dumbest out if do many companies...", "He could have chose better…………………\n\nDot com", "Thanks. It's $28/hr which I think is good for my state. I'm sadly helping the owner sell the company though, as he wants to retire next near. Oh well, it'll look good on a resume but being in the job market right now sounds miserable regardless.", "Mmkay.. But there's now a meme-like video of him talking like a tone-deaf wooden block while getting rid of almost a thousand workers. Now every gross bonus he gives himself or other basic executive-level behavior will be contrasted to this video. Optics alone should've been reason enough to handle this better.", "Non-Christians still buy presents for friends and family.", "\"Challenging decision\" my ass, you're getting rich off this shit, and right before Christmas. Fuck you pal.", "Not every company operates with a ton of margin.\n\nBut I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you. If I were you I'd get into consulting since you seem to have figured out how to solve a problem that companies spend billions of dollars a year trying to figure out.", ">What’s wrong\n\nI think I already answered that but Ill rephrase things for for you. Amazon is often paying less than half the going rate for the same jobs and yet people like yourself are parading around talking about Amazon pay as if they are an industry leader. Who is the pay excellent for? Minimum wage workers? Amazon shareholders? It’s certainly not excellent pay for professional workers in the industry. I think it’s important to put those wages in context. \n\n>Grind your way\n\n>It’s entirely seniority based\n\nThose two statement conflict. That’s not how it works.", "I don't care who gave him that money. That doesnt change my point \n\nNeither does your deflecting.\n\nIf I was making millions in salary and then got a 25 mil bonus on top of that, I absolutely would go help out those people in third world countries. But I don't.", "This guy knows efficiency!", "Not what I meant. I was referring to the pandemic and everyone working from home and not in the office. So, a conference call was appropriate here.", "So? Did that happen by magic? He took the initial risk to start the company, he had the idea, put up capital, etc. If the business fails, like 90% of them do, are the employees expected to pay the debts?\n\nWhat childish logic.", "Curious at the amount of anger towards this man. He was straight with them. Told them he's gotta cut workforce and they were the ones.\n\nBut they're also getting 3 months of benefits from the company. Most people get a last paycheck and a \"Bye bye\".", "If the tyrannical governments keep up with the mandates and lockdowns, more businesses go under.", "That was how our first mortgage was. We lived in that house for 10 years and our mortgage was sold several times in that span. After that experience we went with a smaller regional bank for our next house. They have not sold our loan, and the service has been fantastic. 10/10 would do all over again.", "I don't think it's as simple as that. People literally depend on the salaries they make, and so they have to have some level of trust that the people up top are making sustainable decisions, such that their employment is not constantly up in the air. In this case, the company is preparing for an IPO, and just got $750M from an investment firm. If you were on the inside, just going off those two facts, wouldn't you expect that your company was on the up & up? \n\nAny good leadership team, seeing a slowdown, would have stopped new hiring months prior. They would have begun to slowly layoff underperforming workers/branches in a defined and methodical way. They would have upped marketing budgets to keep the business stable. Simply put, if you have to come to the point where you're laying off 15% of your workforce all at once (in a year where other companies are making record profits), you as a leader have failed your employees. So how is a regular joe supposed to feel any sort of loyalty to their employer when they're screaming from the rooftops about what a great position they're in, and regular joe gets laid off in the middle of all of that talk?", "There's always free money under the mattress, after all. And hey, that guy is rich! He should just pony up the money!!!1!\n\n/s obviously", "https://better.com/faq/loan-servicing/how-will-my-loan-be-serviced-after-closing\n\nI used better twice and both times I was told they would only service my loan probably for only 1 mortgage payment.", "He didn't mention any long-timer-tied severance which is strange. If someone had been working there for 5 years and got 1 month, that seems a bit low. The 3 months of benefits is nice.", "I was laid off 3 months ago because the business I worked for was doing a shit job at getting the sales and clients we needed. Instead of firing the people responsible of not getting our retaining new clients, they let go people in other departments to save their ass. I was told I was fired immediately as well as my benefits. I would have loved to get my benefits for another month, let alone 3. My family (wife and 4 kids) were all on my plan. \n \nAfter 6 years of working my ass off, that's how I was treated. Good times.", "So from reading the comments it sounds like I should refinance my house with Better.com now?", "Is a TLDR basically bank say it have money. Bank no have actual money. Bank lie. Surprise pika.jpg \n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nCan anyone clarify, what am I missing?", "I might be remembering incorrectly then. I thought when I've seen their loan estimates it says we intend to service your loan", "Why should he? He's got a business to run and gets paid for it. While the people he laid off get to leave work and forget about it when they clock out, he has to be ready to deal with his company at any time, day or night.\n\nIf that was my responsibility, I'd wanna be paid handsomely for it too.", "I can’t explain the feeling. It was surreal. I don’t think they intended it to be a joke but man was it classless. I think they were absolutely clueless and guilty of “group think”. The couldn’t stand us for some reason. We did have out issues to be honest but nothing that couldn’t be corrected.", "No one on reddit is interested in your reasonable actual first hand experience. \n\nThey would rather be outraged over something that has always happened, but it's just done a bit differently thanks to zoom.", "When laying off ppl increases your stock pricing, it’s a no brainer for corporations. They’d cut 50% if it gave their stock a boost.", "Lol I talked about risk vs reward in my last comment. Whatever though, capitalism obviously has you so up your ass that you'll advocate for your own disadvantage. \"That's just the way things are\" is never a good enough excuse. That's what great about America is the ability to rewrite the rules when the old rules don't make sense any more.", "Maybe next time read the contract before signing it. I doubt they made it a secret it could be sold on but you just looked at the low rate.", "Not to mention he makes it about him for a moment. Like who cares if you cried, you're still employed you twat.", "Here’s an honest thought and I’m sure you’re going to beat me up for it. Why would it be bad if he gets a bonus for making a move that he knew would be beneficial? I’ve read that this guy sucks. So, I’m not asking about this guy in particular but any CEO. They’re not in the business of charity. Like you (the employee), they’re thinking of ways to better themselves. Now, that being said, I wish everyone was out to help everyone else. But that’s just fantasy.", "That has been apparent for decades, congrats on realizing it now I guess?\n\nOnce pensions went away that was the signal.", "That is a major issue with the American system when you buy 30 year.\n\nMost other countries you buy a 6 month to 10 year (5 is average) and it is calculated at a 20 year or 30 year for payment.\n\nThis means banks and mortgages are sold as a product to get you to do more business with thr bank... as you will be shopping around soon and a lot of people like keeping their mortgages with their bank account.", "Simping has become such a low effort insult", "Why? It's showing empathy and that he's not taking the decision lightly, whether you believe it is genuine or not.", "They're a mortgage company operating in a time when house prices and affordability are more out of reach than they've ever been as a result of Covid.\n\nI'd call this good damage control on the business as a whole in all honesty", "Yeah my mortgage was sold twice in 6 years. As a first time home owner i was stunned. Never missed a payment and the rates never changed so it really didn't matter. Then I sold the house for cash for 20k more than I bought it for so ya know. Now I'm waiting for the bubble to pop and slide into a bigger home with what I've tucked away", "It's exactly what half these comments need to hear", "It's like when companies gave you the option you want these cheap clothes from China or these more expensive clothes made locally. Cheap products sold more.", "This is what happens when you goof around all day on Reddit instead of working", "Agreed, but it looked like he was trying to own the decision instead of just removing people's access and having HR contact them to tell them they had been laid off.", "well…at least he wasn’t a dick about it", "Doesn't change my statement one bit. The CEO could have volunteered up his bonus to save those jobs. He didn't.", "Wait I don't understand, you can just be sacked immediately for no reason in the US?? Here they have to give you a notice period typically unless you're on probation and also have to offer redundancy if you've been there over a certain amount of time. \n\nI think you can only be sacked immediately if the company literally goes bankrupt or its as a result of a serious disciplinary like you hit someone or something. How do people function knowing they can just get sacked at any moment, don't you have unions or workers rights? My company has to give me 2 months notice, which isn't amazing but at least if something happens it gives me time to find another job. I'd live in a permanent state of panic if the company could just sack me at any moment.", "Refinancing is a huge part of a mortgage business, and with rates ticking up most lenders are seeing a huge drop in refi demand. A lot of lenders over-hired for their refi divisions in the last two years and now they're seeing the issue with that. Purchasing remains strong, but it's also hard with little inventory so there's less purchase volume overall.", "> But I'm not going to waste my time arguing with you.\n\nDid I say something that offended you? You seemed to have taken what I said a bit personally which is strange, I wasn't arguing with you I was just discussing. Please re-read what I said, I didn't insult you personally I just made an observation of what is happening.\n\n>If I were you I'd get into consulting since you seem to have figured out how to solve a problem that companies spend billions of dollars a year trying to figure out.\n\nThose billions of dollars might make for a decent money buffer if you ask me.", "As someone who had loans with both, ditech is far worse", "The point I'm trying to make is that you are speculating too much on why the decision was being made. They are a mortgage refinancing company, market was booming last year but the rates hiking are already hurting them, I can assure you number projection for them are not great. Most likely they have too many employees that they don't need at the moment. Training employees are expensive especially in America, mass layoffs happen because of company restructuring because something are having to be done immediately to help the company long term. What you say has its own merit but it's way overgeneralizing. The CEOs are employees too, they are doing their job. You may hate society for choosing this path of fierceness where everyone has to give above the best to survive, that I can agree with. But with the rule of the game as it is, if you don't optimize your performance, you're getting axed when things get bad, that's just how it is. Other ideals would deliver other downfalls too, market is efficient and fair in that way. Coming from a country that was previously communist, I can assure you, other ideals have even bigger flaws where many don't even have food let alone the conveniences that we are enjoying as humanity at the moment many parts thanks to capitalism. I do feel you on the sentiment though, but I hope that the faster you can be at peace with how things are, it will help you become more happy and can return to the ones who need the help because of the cons of the system.", "“Good managers don’t fire. They hire and inspire.” – Michael Scott", "It's extremely important to be wary of pro-corporate \"grassroots\" marketing or PR campaigns, so I applaud you for your skepticism.\n\nThat said, I myself used Better Mortgage for my own house. They were the first one I looked into, on my first ever house, and let me tell you it messed things up a lot when shopping around. They undercut everyone by at least half a percent, got rid of basically all but $1100 in fees, let me buy more points than any other lender, and gave me an offer without appraisal and on a soft credit check only.\n\nI kept shopping around and telling other lenders \"this is what I have from Better, can you beat it?\" and so many of them were actually speechless. Saying they could never grant pre-approval so early in the process, or that they'd never make money at those rates. One lady from a local credit union told me, \"if those are actually their numbers, you'd be dumb not to take it\".\n\nReading about this now, it sounds like they were right: Better was playing with fire and trying to relentlessly undercut the competition while burning through investor money. Softbank, no less, who themselves seem to have a really poor record when it comes to investing in other companies. I took advantage of the low rates because it saved me a lot of money, and because I didn't know any better. I will be recommending against Better Mortgage from now on due to these awful practices.", "I wish the best luck for anyone layed off but, let's face it, this happens a lot.\n\n[For the record, I know ZERO about Better.com]\n\nSome bussines go up and other go down and sometimes their profit doesnt need employees, this is how the world is. Pre-COVID this would be just with an e-mail or on a conference room, post COVID you have the email option or a Zoom call. Same god, different collar.", "I'm a mortgage broker, For what it's worth I'm starting to doubt that the bubble is going to pop. I think it's just going to keep getting worse, at most I feel we would see a 10% correction, hopefully for your sake I'm wrong. Also if you don't want your loan to be sold next time I would suggest work with a mortgage broker rather than a big lender and request that, most of our lenders don't sell your loans and it's a really good selling point for us because I've heard some crazy stories about a loan being sold and the person doesn't know who to pay, then boom your credit gets fucked", "or just buy a tent and go homeless you plebes", "You realize that learning from history is more than \"well they fucked this up before, so don't ever try it again\".\n\nI think other than delusional tankies, your average socialist understands that the USSR and other authoritarian Communist regimes are not worthy of emulation.\n\nThe fact that those were such horrible counties, doesn't change the fact that a Socialist system is much more moral than a Capitalist system. Instead what we need to \"learn from as to not repeat\" is how these countries attempted to implement such a system.", "This is not a flaw it's a feature for businesses. Lay offs don't mean shit to them. This is the greed market at its finest.", "They’re not a bank. They’re a company that originates mortgages. They SaaS company. They provide a service. Then don’t charge for it.", "I guess without Leslie, Ben Wyatt can kind of just lean into it, from Ice Clown to Icy Executioner.", "Allowing consumers to have the final say on their lender will result in better lenders anyway. There is no pro-consumer argument in favor of mortgage selling. The only arguments in favor are people who work for mortgage lenders.", "I’ve had to fire/layoff a handful of people in my career and this guy did all the things you’re told not to do.\nDon’t play with their emotions, don’t draw it out, no suspenseful pauses, don’t talk about how you as a manager feel, don’t try and wrap/minimize the action in a larger message, and don’t push the bad news into the 2nd half of the call.\nTo any manager reading this: Don’t piss off your people more than they’ll already be. It’s a bandaid that has to be ripped off and you need to be direct and truthful. Get the news to them within ~2 sentences.\n\n“We’re speaking today because shifts in the market have required that we look at our strategy and ultimately restructure parts company in response.\nWe regrettably need to inform you that because of this there is no longer a position for you or your current role and so have taken the decision to terminate our relationship with you today. \n\nWe understand that this news is unexpected and will come as a shock, so we’ve prepared a letter for each of you which sets out the next few steps as well as details of the termination and any severance. You’ll receive these after this call and if any questions remain unanswered we ask that you contact your HR rep who will continue to offer you support.\nPlease take the rest of the day to absorb this news and to use the time as your own.\nThank you for your contributions and dedication to our company.”", "\"Generous\"\n\nIm not saying your company's policies are your call, but you're defending them, so I'm going to frame this at you.\n\nHow about you stop with bullshit employee appreciate crap and garbage \"swag bags\" and just pay your employees more money. Your employees aren't your friends, and if they fake it, it's because they want to keep their job. Your workplace really sounds like one of those \"families\" where if you dont play into the bullshit you get canned and then called ungrateful.\n\nWhen you \"hand out tickets\" do you mean you raffle them off to the team? So rather than give everyone a nice raise, you give one person something of comparably mediocre value and pretend like its a gift.\n\nWe work to get paid. Sorry youre brainwashed into thinking its more than that, but your employees arent. His team doesnt have to work harder because of his choices, they had to work harder because you set up the team to work at minimum staffing. One kid calling out for 2 weeks from a role hes been at for less than a year shouldnt cripple the rest of your team. That's your bad management.", "I worked for a firm that was criticized by Wall St for having a lower \"revenue per employee\" vis-a-vis competitors. They laid off employees to lower the headcount and outsourced and hired contractors (some were laid off employees) , which didn't show-up in the headcount.", "Business!", "No, it doesn't. Him losing that money would not affect him in any way. Me losing my money would. That's not even close to the same thing.\n\nIf I had as much extra money as he did then you would be correct about me.", "I think you underestimate how many people in rural America own cars. 91.3% of American households have access to a car (most of those more than one). Almost all of the other 8.7% live in densely populated areas with public transport good enough to not need one.\n\nDoesn't matter, because I never said an autonomous Uber look-alike shouldn't exist. Just that personal autonomous car ownership would render said company obsolete in time.\n\nAlso, public transportation is pretty sweet. Too bad it's dogshit in 90% of the country.", "Oh no! A bunch of annoying mortgage brokers got laid off!!! I guess they’ll have to go to another shady company to call me 15 times a day.", "That's what got me. You should cry. You should feel bad about the position your decision has now put 15% of the company in. Who tells the 15% of their company they just screwed over that they hope they care less about them?", "Using zoom is fine. It’s the most appropriate method given the times we’re in. Some places might not be able to have, for example, unvaccinated people in the building or have capacity limits.\n\nWhere he went wrong was his messaging. He did several no-nos for making layoffs, including talking about his own feelings when he gets to continue to receive a (no doubt) hefty pay cheque each month.", "This ceo is paid handsomely for his use of the word ‘ummmmmmmm’", "You're projecting. I'm not even sure how you make the leap that I took anything personally. Seems to me that this is your go-to rebuttal to try to evoke an emotional reply. \n\nSimply put, I can see that you think you're smarter than everyone on this subject and there would be no point arguing with you about it... so I'm not going to.", ">I don't even have fucking kids.\n\nThank God for small miracles. Enjoy the busted back I'm gonna go play some golf.", "“Grind your way up.” Fuck yourself, you child. You cleary have very little clue what the real world is like.", "We've already established that he's a CEO.", "But they told me they loved me and wanted to give me all their money. Should I not have believed the corporate leadership. No board would ever harm their entry level employees. We were family!", "I mean I'm not saying it's wrong from a profit/loss perspective for the company, just from a personal moral standpoint for the guy", "It is kind of ghoulish since he did it just to give himself a raise", "Don’t give VG too much credit. Dec 1 layoff was timed that way to clear their balance sheets for Jan 1 and look better to investors when they try to SPAC in Q1 or Q2. It’s all a financial decision, the CEO is a narcissist and megalomaniac. \n\n(Also a Better employee)", "Oh, yeah - the prelude to the firing was cringeworthy and kind of shitty. Just made it worse for everyone.", "Hurhurhur so funny", "No one commenting that he should be the one to take a pay cut or resign. \n\nIt's not the workers fault the company isn't performing properly, ultimate responsibility is his so he should fall on his own sword", "Without giving away too much to be identified, I'm just curious (if you like to), what is your pay approx. and job title or responsibilities?", "Well there are more tasteful ways to lay people off. Managers can have a 1:1 with their directs and let them know in a more personal way. Calling everyone in to a conference and telling them that they will lose access immediately after the end of the call without being available on a personal level to answer questions and provide support is inconsiderate. It doesn’t matter if it’s in person or not. It would be the same if the CEO hosted an in-person conference and told everyone there they were fired in the style of Wework.", "I definitely don't but having knowledge of complex government backed loans is a desirable skillset. I'm not gonna argue the company's accolades but working for a place that has seen exorbitant growth in a short period of time almost always looks good on the resume. Even when there are layoffs.", "I mean, is it not one of them? Among the many reasons getting fired sucks, of which I also just listed traveling to see them in the first place, that definitely seems like it could be.\n\nI don't know about you, but I like to get my friends and family something nice for the holidays that they may not normally be able to get. If I suddenly lost my job right before the holidays, that (along with everything else) would definitely be on my mind", "We will pass that along to Vishal.", "Reminds me of the episode of King of the Hill where Dale tries to do a normal office job. He has trouble adjusting to it but when the HR lady is trying to work up courage to fire someone and he just casually does it with no emotion, they have him join HR with the sole purpose of firing people for them.", "Not sure what you mean since the risk of employing for a company is exactly that: the ability to get axed when needed. Everyone is risking here, and if you speak in that way the employees are actually doing well in this case with 3 month severance whereas if the business go under the investors lose everything. The decision may sound shitty but by no means the workers lose completely everything here, they have more than enough time to search for new jobs with severance and unemployment at the cost of the company paying more severance as a gesture. You are just generalizing stuff without looking at the actual numbers and everything has to be either good or bad in your eyes whereas this situation is on a much brighter side of a mass layoff. And yes, I do believe in fairness, if I'm doing bad and get layoff, i try harder next time, if that's what you think \"advocating for your disadvantage\", i think you are likely belong to the percentile who work as leecher trying to profit more while working less, which is exactly the shitty behavior that you claim to be against.", "I like how he’s showing his crotch to everyone. Asserting dominance!", "\"Stop talking about guillotines, the future is better\"\n\nREVOLT.", "The only way the bubble bursts is for the US to ban foreign residential real estate investment, which we should absolutely do for all SFH housing. I'd say we should even go ahead and seize the assets of all non-citizen Russian and Chinese nationals while we're at it (that is, any residence they solely rent for profit).", "If it was unexpected, it shouldn’t have been. The market is fluctuating but not so much that a well managed company would suddenly have to dump 15% of its workforce at Christmas. \n\nIf they knew this was coming, shame on them.\nIf they didn’t, still shame on them. That’s ridiculous.", "It's real cute that you can't actually come up with even a single objective reason why I'm wrong so all you can do is ad hom attack me. \n\nWhether the jobs are needed or not is irrelevant. The point is that someone who has money they don't need is causing other people to lose their jobs when he could help them without harming himself. You have not disproven that, all you've tried to do is shift the argument because you know I'm right. I'm not going to be baited into your emotional appeals. My actions or personal beliefs do not change his actions one whit, even if I was the worst person in the world it would not justify his actions.", "People like you are why things take so long to get better.", "I do kind of admire the efficiency of this. Welcome to the Zoom call, you're all fired, here are the details, goodbye", "What do you suggest they do, keep everyone on and have even more people out of a job when the company goes under a few months later as a result?", "Fuck this guy!", "lol found madoff's reddit account! xD gtfo dude.", "This company was not laying off to stay afloat. They did this as an influx move and to look better for investors. We need unions, regulations, and employee protections. At will employment demands loyalty from employees but they will cut and run without a 2nd thought.\n\nWanna join the stock market there should be even more standards but it won't happen because everyone wants every penny to go to the rich and elite. Squeeze the blood out of your group and push harder.", "He was NOT straight with them. He strung it out and even spoke about how he feels which is fucking mega cringe when you get to keep your job", "Flagrantly breaking local laws and using their money to dodge suits and campaign for legal changes that make them more money", ">Humans are self centered. \n>\n\nCitation needed.\n\nPeople act according to their conditions. Our economic and political systems explicitly reward self-centered behavior. \n\nIf we stop legitimizing these systems, instead creating systems that explicitly benefit cooperation and empathy for all, you'd be saying that all humans are naturally givers.", "those are the only two options", "So this is the Michael Scott Paper Company of mortgages?", ">Getting laid off really sucks, but I don't think that this method of doing it was particularly bad considering the number of people who were laid off.\n\nNah, fuck that noise. Laying off an employee is a personal task. Giving them no opportunity in the moment to ask questions or talk to the person breaking the news is so distanced and cold it's borderline sociopathic.\n\nIt completely undermines the \"thank you for your help\" sentiment, and offers zero any room for closure to the individuals on the call. It wasn't just bad form, it was disturbing on a deeper level. It's a video equivalent of broadcasting the layoffs over the intercom - Even mailing out letters would be less impersonal, as 1,000 people wouldn't be reading the exact same letter you are over your shoulder.\n\nEven during the historic '08 layoffs companies talked to their employees individually. The logistics of it are no more difficult to manage than standard, daily operation.", "That makes no sense to me. We choose who want to do business with, not who we get to do business with. Industry standard or not, I'd be fucking livid.", "I disagree, I saw a man that didn't want to be doing what he was about to do and was showing a bit of humanity.\n\nCEO's job doesn't stop at 5pm, he's working any time of the day if he needs to.", "So Vishal Garg raising his salary from $300k to $1 million and getting a $25 million dollar bonus was a integral part of the company's success? Seems weird that would be a good move if there might be tough times ahead. And I bet he didn't reduce his salary to $850k when it was deemed necessary to cut 15% of staff. You don't know what you're talking about. Sorry that you came from a communist country or whatever but communism and socialism are wayyyyy different. And furthermore adding regulations to a capitalist system to limit the amount a company can prey on its employees without any justification but greed is further still from either of them.", "1. Nobody thought that. Unneeded explanation is unneeded.\n2. Companies take money from investors sometimes when they're doing good, sometimes when they're doing bad. Taking money isn't indicative either way. More data is needed.\n3. What a great argument for worker representation in company leadership.\n4. True. Failing companies sometimes need to do layoffs. However, layoffs precede executive bonuses so often that people including myself may have jumped to conclusions. Let's hope this guy doesn't have a new house in a month.", "Let’s hurry up and get this done before Christmas so it doesn’t look bad.", "Hole Lee Fuck...\n\nSo flushing billions on Wework was a drop in the bucket, that explains things.", "i once worked at a studio with probably 150 employees that held a mandatory studio wide meeting to talk about the future. everyone was there except the head IT guy and someone from HR. the IT guy was busy logging 50% of people out of their computers and disabling their accounts while the HR person was leaving the same list of people voicemails saying they had been let go.", "It's just preference really, I think it's dishonest to let someone work a full day and let them go at the end, kinda feels like \"we value your work enough to get one last day out of you, bit not enough to keep you\" if it were me I'd rather get a call before my shift", "If they hadn't of bought those new Mac computers in the background they might be a little BETTER off.", "He's doing it early expecting a housing market crash. He states it's not the first time they had to lay off employees. If this isn't a signal idk what is.", "The best way it could have been done was contacting individuals. If the CEO wanted to make an apology he could have done that in a video call, but you don't break the news to everyone in a giant video call a few weeks before the holidays.", "Right now both of our comments are in the negatives...so that shows you something right there.", "And then you think /r/antiwork is bullshit.", "I keep seeing mobile ads for Amazon's $15 minimum wage and it just feels so...tone deaf? They have a dude in a collared shirt standing on a raised platform above all the peons, then he announces the new minimum wage and they all lose their shit hugging each other and everything. Like...who the fuck would be that excited over a minor raise? Is everyone there making less than that already? Shouldn't they be at least AS concerned about their working conditions? \n\n\n\nAlso, if my boss was buying himself a dick-ship to go into fucking outer space because he didn't know what else to do with his comically ridiculous hoard, then announced a pittance of a raise to me I'd probably be a bit miffed that apparently I am getting paid ever-so-slightly less than the value I'm bringing to the company.", ">Before the pandemic this would happen in big conference rooms or the cafeteria, I don't see a difference (other than the person who needs to bring the news feeling safer doing it over zoom than in person and potentially getting in a physical fight).\n\nBefore the pandemic this would happen in private meetings with each employee and their manager. If it was large enough scale, it would be happening in small groups at a time.", "Just like the movie Up In the Air, it’s easier to fire someone when you don’t have to feel their pain in person.", "We can disagree, that’s OK. I can see your position but I speak knowing my own reality and career experience and that this is a bad way to deliver a message about job losses.", "Well, he said it was his choice and never stated his hand was forced.\n\nHe stated performance was one of the reasons those people where selected. \n\nIn my personal experience I’ve seen people a lot less honest in situations like these.", "It’s pretty standard HR practice to fire at the beginning of the day, and typically the beginning of the work week. Often times that’s on payroll days too so they just will payout another 1-2 pay periods if they’re giving severance. They will send an email to everyone else letting them know. I think it’s worse (from a company productively / culture perspective) to do it on a Friday or even EOD because a lot of the workers who are friendly are a lot more likely to gossip about it without being able to spin it however you want.", "Some people just want to stay blind to the facts. These people weren't laid off for performance issues. They're trying to make the company more attractive for an IPO, it happens all the time and the only reason is greed. There's no reconciling an increase in your executive compensation over 300% and then having to lay off employees and not reducing the executive compensation. That's not a company doing what it needs to survive, that's a bunch of greedy people who have been given no incentive not to be greedy.", "So you think if I loan you money I don't have the right to sell your note? I can't package it with other likely notes to hedge risk?\n\nIs your goal to kill liquidity in the housing market?", "I've only ever been laid off once luckily, and I was given a month's pay along with my papers.\n\nWhat's the best way to deliver news like this? Genuinely curious", "I worked with a company that had a policy of disabling the accounts of anyone on medical leave due to the conditions of their leave insurance.\n\nThe original PM on my last project there went out on maternity leave for over a year.\n\nWhen she turned she found her entire department no longer existed, the department she had been assigned to no longer existed and the company had completely exited the industry she originally worked with.\n\nWhen your get to a certain scale of downsizing the risks of warning even managers ahead of time get large enough this becomes unavoidable sometimes.", "Not to mention they're giving a months severance and 3 months health benefits. That's a pretty nice goodbye. I day this as a person who's gone thru at least 4 layoffs.", "Yeah really, this sounds like telling yourself that anyone would do what you would do so you don't feel bad about it. I sure wouldn't sell the stock in that scenario.", "What is the best way to do this? I am honestly curious to hear people’s opinions.", "Yeah, he’s a real standup guy. That’s why yesterday he claimed that all 900 people were fired because they were so unproductive that they were “stealing” from the company and customers.", "Yes, but very few places hire during the holidays. Most start their hiring process back up around February.", " Most of us\n\nSpeak for yourself, loser.", "“Restructured resulting in a 15% net decrease in salaries in Q4, ladies and gentlemen of the board I recommend I receive 14.5% of these savings as a performance related bonus.”", "> 91.3% of American households have access to a car (most of those more than one).\n\nI haven't been too clear- but this is the exact thing I think could change in a big way. Some percentage (hopefully large) wouldn't need their own car if they had affordable* access to reliable shared transport. Even if households didn't go car-less, an even larger number could go to one car.\n\nI'm an optimist, but I'd like to think that it could make a real difference, and actually improve mass transit. If I could reliably and cheaply get to a transportation hub, I wouldn't need a car. There is literally no bus service in my surrounding area other than some longer haul commuter options.\n\nless than their average current expense", "Rights to not get fired? Why would you expect a company to pay employees who are deadweight?", "At least he shows his face. Most of the time CEOs shield themselves in HR. That’s why work should be just that, work. Never give them nothing for free because they won’t hesitate to lay you off when the time comes.", "my last company it was so awkward. We never had any idea someone was going to get fired until someone usually our VP would come around and say hey we are going to have a meeting in the coference room right now for like 50 of us which wasn't super uncommon. Like when an important announcement about policy or about an upcoming event would happen we would have these kinds of meetings. The tip off someone was getting fired would be when they managers don't show up for the meeting they just called and then we would look around for who wasn't in the conference room to figure out who was being fired.", "I mean, he's about to be a billionaire so he'll fit in real nice with the rest of that crew.", "Working with the leadership team is like Game of Thrones - Mortgage Edition. It’s like living in a reality tv show, though never boring. Lots of emotionally stunted narcissists.\n\nLove most of my coworkers though!", "At least the ceo did the dirty work unlike travis-vanderzanden ceo of bird scooters who had some unidentified ( screen was off audio only) hr lady tell people on a zoom webinar they were laid-off.", "Lol, right? Wtf even is that comparison?", "I replied above saying what my own message would have been. Hopefully this [link](https://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8h97i/_/hn7ue0h) works …", "There are some towns where shit like that would end up getting corporate dude killed. I worked in a small manufacturing town and I know those guys. Without the job they have nothing to live for sadly.", "> A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.", ">A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.", ">A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.", "Because life isnt reddit.", ">A subreddit for those who want to end work, are curious about ending work, want to get the most out of a work-free life, want more information on anti-work ideas and want personal help with their own jobs/work-related struggles.", "\"Oh, look, this one is so upset that they need a hug. Awww.... wait, it's that a fist?\" - Presenter's thought", "Again, the CEO is an employee too. Sounds fair to me, the bad ones get canned, the good ones get rewarded, the shareholders possibly get more money. The point is not about communism itself, it's about the fact that no ideal is perfect, you want socialism whereas it's only grass are greener on the other side. Layoffs always happen, you thinking it's bad doesn't mean it's bad, it's literally a part of how a company develop. And we are talking this specific instance of better.com, 3 month severance is them already being generous, whereas many get as low as 2-weeks notice elsewhere. I really don't get how because companies do layoffs, meaning that they are exploiting the workers whereas if the workers coasting on other hard work , is that not exploiting too?", "Damn, that's pretty professional to be fair. I remember the manager that laid me off was straight to the point as well to be fair.", "Because he's making it about him, not the people that are getting laid off before the holidays", "Glad you're in a better place now.", "So short the stock?", "As a Dutchman: that sounds fucking terrible lol.", "I like you. You understand the meta. Companies aren't beholden to employees like employees aren't beholden to employers. Get your money and enjoy the ride. I've got no knowledge off better or anything but the CEO basically did standard operating procedure for layoff and then gave nice severances and extended unemployment health insurance. It sucks hard for those who got laid off, but at least they'll have a month of decent wages that'll roll into unemployment $$$ which will help their transition quite a bit.", "I was waiting for the \"in 1998, Mankind threw the Undertaker of Hell in a Cell and plummeted 16 ft through an announcers table.\"", "clicks end call button immediately* 😎", "It's quite possible that the bank's money came with stipulations.", "That seemed so hard for the poor ceo to say 😢. I hope he's okay", "Starhawks comment is funny bc reddit's community was built on people redditing at work, in their offices (pre-pandemic). One of the key ways people would spend work time doing non-work", "Stock market crash", "And before Christmas, none of those pesky bonuses to skip either.", "Oof I was in a similar situation earlier this year working in the mortgage industry. Dude brought like 300 people into a zoom meeting and let all of us go. Meanwhile, they were boasting their new limbos and a new building they just bought and renovated in the middle of the pandemic when 90% of their workforce worked from home", "Now they’re going to be bleeding all THAT money too.", "😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭", "Lmaooooo", "> 40K + travel & expenses. I think that is a little low for such a job\n\nI disagree. His main talent is taking the brunt of emotional reactions from people being fired and being willing to travel. While he deserves more, i feel like this is definitely a lowest bidder job as most companies aren't really going to care about Clooney level ability to tell people they've been let go.", "So he’s a greedy asshole putting on a show that he’ll be in tears by the end.", "Lmao you're so mad. You keep trying to change the subject because once again, you can't actually combat my point. \n\nHe could give the money to them without harm to himself. He chose not to. Therefore, he is a bad person. It's a very simple concept. \n\nIf you want to know where in Western culture that notion comes from, go read the damn Bible. Hell, I'm not even religious and I still recognize it as a good idea. \"Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.” Jesus was a socialist my guy.\n\nAlso lmao @ \"give all your money\" which I never said or even slightly implied. I clearly said that someone who has a ton of extra money that is no use to them has a moral obligation to use it to help others. I never said this guy should give up his salary, and I even considered it ok for him to keep 5 million of his bonus, more money than most people will ever see in their lifetime.\n\nI plan to start a business in the next ten years or so. When I do, I will keep as much money as I need to be comfortable, and the rest will go to my workers or to charity. And that original amount of money isn't going to be tens of millions a year. There is nothing in the world I could possibly need at that income level. The same applies to everyone else.", "Thanks. I like me too. And yeh, nothing that was done was out of the norm. Should they have hired more conservatively knowing that the golden goose was temporary? Of course. Were they too greedy to think like that, of fucking course.", "My wife’s office fired 500 employees with a mass email. I think doing this video is actually a standup move from the CEO", "That was the whole point of Up in the Air.", "You can't become a billionaire without crawling over the bodies of those whose life you have destroyed. It's a requirement to get to that level.", "False, doesn't work that way. But reddit will agree with you because what you're saying is superficially logical (as you don't have the full information).\n\nInsurance, benefits and salaries are considered liabilities and ANY investment in a company will come with a contingency that they need to reduce the liability in order for the investment to go through.\n\nThere is 0% chance that Softbank gave them anything without this restructuring as a requirement for it. \n\nIt would be a ridiculous concept that Softbank would fund things or Aurora's merger would happen and this being just a coincidence...\n\nyour editorializing of an article by adding \"...to maximize profits for investors when the company goes public via an SPAC...\" and \"right before Christmas\" is nonsense. That is not how liabilites work, and the employees are receiving severance through end of 2021.", "They don't care about talent, just money.\n\n\n\nThey aren't investing money because they want to create jobs, or for the rosy glow of employing people. They are investing money to make more money and its usually okay if that is over a short term.", "There might have also been a condition of securing the funding. Layoff your bottom 15.", "So he is part of the call, did he fire himself?", "The more time I spend on reddit, more I realize how people really dont understand how businesses operate and function", "Lol...our dishwasher walks with 40/hr each night....dive bar in california ...market is fucked up.", "Wait... A non compete AFTER getting laid off? There's no way that's legal if you didn't sign it. File for unemployment ASAP. It's not going to be enough but it'll help for sure. Update your resume yesterday and post it on linkedin, Facebook jobs, indeed, and other places of that nature. Given how visible this was, recruiters are going to know what he said but also know that that generalization doesn't apply to everyone. As someone who was unemployed since April and just now find a job, the hiring market is really good right now. Contact recruiters and hiring agencies. That's how i got my job(and had another interview recently for another).\n\nBest of luck to you. You're going to land on your feet and be way more successful elsewhere.", "He should have come up with a better way to break the news.", "Margin Call shows how cold it can be too", "Or an impractical jokers punishment God damn. Feels too absurd to be real.", "I’m sorry but when the guy reacting to the “unlucky part” made me laugh because he’s definitely heard this many times", "> Just that private autonomous car ownership would make it a niche business\n\nI wouldn't say apartment rentals is a niche business, meaning home ownership hasn't made apartments or other types of rental properties a niche business.\n\nI'm not trying to make direct comparisons between the two, the markets are obviously different, but if you just look at the end result, it's not too far off. Renting often doesn't have the high upfront cost of ownership, typically has less responsibilities in maintenance of the property and more predictable costs than ownership. If you own a house, your expenses could be low, until something expensive breaks, and then your expenses could be really high. If you rent, you generally pay the same amount no matter what.\n\nIt's unsettled at this point as that market hasn't even come close to being defined yet, but autonomous vehicles are going to be heavily software based, and mechanical operations will be a small aspect of them. You could say all modern cars have been heading this way, but most aspects of that are luxuries. There are obviously still core components that are no longer mechanical and the vehicle wouldn't function without them, but autonomous vehicles will take that to a whole new level. This distinction potentially matters a great deal, as with typical intellectual property laws these days, you don't actually own it, you license it. So there may be substantial ongoing ownership costs, presumably there would have to be, to own those vehicles. It may even come in the form of a legal mandate or just through insurance costs. \n\nAgain, we don't know what it will all shape up to be as it's undeveloped and undefined now, but it could be the case that it is illegal for an autonomous vehicle to be operated on roads without software updates or inspections or some kind of diagnostic tests etc. and that would just further increase the costs and maintenance energy involved. That would be on the extreme side so its unlikely, we don't really do a great job of enforcing insurance requirements on drivers now, nor do we really have that great of a system in testing drivers, basically you pass an eye exam once and your drivers license won't see any additional opportunity for restrictions in decades, if ever, so who knows if they'd bother enforcing checks on lidar sensors etc. Of course those costs would end up being included in autonomous taxi services as well, but as we know with human behavior, people are more tolerable and capable of handling smaller transactions than larger ones.", "They likely hired a ton of people during the covid boom and now that it's less booming, they have no use for them. They keep reaching kut to me to refi even thiugh I refinanced with them less than a year a go", "My issue wasn't with the zoom call. It was with what he was saying and how he said it.", "Until the place is infested with roaches and Dale ends up crawling through the vents and doing a crocodile to kill them, at which point he realizes that he needs to be an exterminator again.", "This dude watches succession so he can get pointers from the Roys.", "Ive been told that research shows that December is the best month to fire people. Something about lower chances of some sort of violent/ physical overreaction. Its completely heartless but most businesses dont give a shit about the emotional toll news like this takes on people.", "oh no, would somebody think of the company!", "So basically the same playbook at uber amazon and walmart. Have a bunch of money, use it to capture customers by bleeding it uncontrollably for market share while paying the people doing actual work peanuts.", "I didn't even have them service my loan for 1 payment", "Mayve certain states o ly?", "A break of the social compact. Why does this guy get to exploit the labor force, send them packing when it suits his fancy, and he’s sitting pretty as a billionaire that thinks he’s some kind of genius. No, he’s just extremely lucky, and extremely an asshole.", "There is always money in the banana stand", "Better.com is a mortgage financing company. If you're an employee there, you shouldn't be surprised when stuff like that happens.", ">Who gives a shit what they want? \n\nThe OP said he should have waited one more month which obviously doesn't make sense and is what I replied to.\n\n> You should be calling for regulation that restricts companies from fucking over 1000s of people to save money, not just accepting that shitty status quo. \n\nIf they don't save money they go under and the guys lose their jobs without months of benefits.\n\n>Plenty of countries make it much harder for companies to do this to their workers without warning.\n\nYes I know, I'm from one.\n\n>CEOs etc. will constantly tell workers that the reason they earn 1000x the amount everyone else does is because they're taking on \"risk\", except that risk is always passed on to the workers and never impacts the CEO himself.\n\nOk? Don't see how that has anything to with anything", "Why not both. Or don't you remember New York last year?", "Dude probably got a six figure raise this year. He could have cut his pay to keep some people but not a chance he would have that level of humanity.", "> What the fuck kind of life is this\n\nOne that a Redditor made up. Real people don't speak like mustache twirling villains", "Bet it felt so much better to hear while forced to look in the direction of his crotch 😒", "This wasn’t that bad, he didn’t shady anyone it seems, they all get packages. Getting laid off sucks but we’re literally just went through a global pandemic that fucked the economy. You could have just received the email, he chose to let you know himself, to put himself out there, he didn’t have to do that. He likely did have to lay people off to keep his company afloat though. Sucks, but that’s the way it is.", "there's a way to own the decision. it's to be upfront and honest. he wasn't honestly emotional. it's not an emotional decision for him. it's about money.", "It isn’t “somebody think of the company”, it’s “think of your coworkers” who he’s fucking over just in time for the holidays. \n\nOr you know, he could’ve actually showed up to work instead of staying home all day and going to the gym pretending to work.", "BuT CaPITaLiSm iS GrEaT", "They’re losing money because of a bad business model", "What else is he meant to do? Sure, your line manager speaking with you is more preferred - but this isn’t that bad.", "they need to do \"better\"", "Probably things that require their current wages to do, like affording a home.", "That'd get you found in a ditch in some places.", "LOL \"convert\" salaries to profits. That's not how it works AT ALL.\n\nBut to brain damage myself and pretend like it is: say every single employee that was fired, for math sake say 1,000 employees was a liability for $250,000 a year. \n\nthey're going public in q4 2021 that's maximum 1/4 of those salaries.\n\n1k times $250k divided by 4 is rounded up to $63 million.\n\nAnd that's assuming that a diversity and inclusion team and indian tech support is making $250k a year and not, I dunno $30k \n\nSo even if what you're saying is true, it would hardly be this \"maximizing profits for a SPAC...\" in fact the point of an SPAC is that these things impact it less than a traditional IPO", "Or they are just middle-management guy who's job it is to middle manage?\n\n\"Hello Sam. What's happening.\"\n\n\"Yeah. So the guys up top had a chat and decided you're going to be moving on from the company. I'm going to need you to clear your cubical before Friday.\"\n\n\"And could you get me those TPS reports by 4? That'd be terrific.\"", "\"Hey!! We're trying to create CONTENT here, will you shut it for one bleedin second??!\"\n\nVice CEO", "How is that dishonest? He didn't mention why he was laying them off?", "Yeah, this is such a lose lose.\n\nObviously I don’t know anything about this CEO but he seems genuinely upset. As much as this sucks, he could’ve easily skirted the responsibility or just sent an email or something. At least he had the balls to do it himself.", "So, alot of people are going to short them if they go public?", "It isn’t that the delivery is poor, it is that the company made a lot of money this year and last, just got a massive infusion of cash from outside investors, paid this prick a 25 million $ bonus last year and then fired a ton of people right before Christmas. \n\nMaybe since he’s the guy steering the ship he could have coughed up some of his bonus money to lengthen that four week severance. \n\nBut sure, let’s try to see if from his side, I’m sure he’ll cry himself to sleep tonight on the giant pile of money these people made him.", "3.25. I could have gotten lower. But I got a large credit for choosing that rate instead of no credit or paying points.", "Absolute POS. And let me guess, his salary is going up, and he's still collecting his bonus? Paging Dan Price, this POS doesn't have the knowledge, forethought, or self-sacrifice to lead a company", "Yeah he said some things in poor form like what you mentioned or I'm sure you'll be luckier next time, or calling them unlucky, while already highlighting poor performance and not luck as the metric behind the layoff. Shouldn't be totally disingenuous about certain things, but as long as we exist in an environment where companies lay people off to thrive, as he said, and not just to survive, then this is what happens.", "\"what else was he meant to do?\"\n\nNot fire 15% of his staff right before the holidays.", "Wouldn't it be better to wait for self driving cars and then make their move? I don't see how wasting tons of money now helps its not like it took long to make a name for themselves so that bit was easy.", "How else would they do it ? People need to stop thinking businesses are family. You get paid and they take your time. Only transaction that matters.", "If not longer. I think self driving cars working with the existing infrastructure we have and working in all types of weather conditions is still a long long way off to equal human performance. Bad conditions and unexpected events and road hazards are going to be a very hard problem to solve.", "> man was it classless\n\nOh, classes seem involved. You should be careful not to resent the people you pay to make your products.", "If your company is failing, or you have a lack of profit, you let people go. You’d rather he kept them all on over the holiday period, then laid them off + more due to the increased costs that Better clearly can’t account for?", "Disregarding who is in the right or wrong here, I just wanted to say that I appreciate you took the effort to create an account and write some personal experiences of the issue discussed. \n\nReddit needs to be slapped in the face with some reality more often", "Yeah this never stopped.\nOur last two mortgages and a refi have been sold off after the first payment.\n\nOur last mortgage got sold off to well Fargo. And our current refi was sold to a company call PHH mortgage and I have heard horrible things about that company. But the Only way we can get away from them is pay the house off or refi again and hope it sells to a different bank.", "You’ll no argument from me there. I don’t know anything about this guy or company, but the title of the post suggests we are suppose to be up in arms over being laid off “over zoom”.", "\"I think it’s important for readers or listeners to understand that our story really is two-pronged. One is that on the top layer, you have a really successful CEO leading a really successful company [Better.com] who’s gotten a ton of positive press. And then our story is really about what’s happening beneath the surface. And part of it is about the tangle of lawsuits from many different high-profile parties that have followed Vishal for a long time. The other element is what is it actually like to work for [Vishal]. In some cases, some say that it’s worth it, and in some cases, some say that it was a pretty horrifying place to work. I think that’s the summary.\"\n\n\n\nhttps://www.housingwire.com/podcast/reporters-discuss-bombshell-story-on-better-coms-vishal-garg/", ">“the last time I had to do this, I cried”\n\nIt's also bullshit because a leader's own emotions toward layoffs are a weak consolation prize at best. Even if I trust a leader, I'm not going to hear \"I cried\" and think generous thoughts. How about doing something for me, like giving me severance and helping me find my next job?", "At least they got a notification. I showed up to work and seen the gate was locked and got told by the guard that we are closed.", "I thought the economy was great?", "BetterFindANewJob.com", "Sounds like the employees could do better anyway.", "> To make it worse as soon as this zoom was over all of our computers shut off and we couldn’t log in. \n\nWait wait what, hang on - do you mean they practically disabled the accounts by remote, there and then??!\n\nThat'd be some drastical next level douchebaggery", "I'm not sure how many people 15% represents, or if it's full departments or just individual people within each department... but generally during performance review meetings / individual audience meetings would be better than \"if you're watching this, then you gone.\" Individual audience gives the ability for a supervisor to explain why you were chosen. They can also soften the blow a lot by saying \"it wasn't my decision, and I'll be happy to write you a letter of recommendation.\"\n\nA mass execution is impersonal and doesn't allow those affected to ask questions or process what is happening. \n\nI'm not claiming this is a morally bad approach... certainly better than an email. just that there is probably a better approach. I appreciate the ceo seems to want to take the burden. \n\nIn my experience, even for a mass layoff a direct line manager or director who the employees know (at least the face, and probably have a lot of respect for if that director is good at their job) is better to do this than the ceo.", "Blaming the employees for the company fucking them over, lol, nice try.", "Yes, I need all of the money I have now. Because that money allows me to keep a roof over my head, food in my mouth, and continue working at my job. You know, the basic necessities.\n\nJudeo-Christian literally means the Bible... they're Jewish and Christian values... what I make is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is what I make vs what I need to live. In Ethiopia, to live in a city, you only need about $500/mo . So if I lived in Ethiopia, you would be right and I would be rich. But I don't. I live in the US, and my money goes towards the cost of living here. \n\nYes, he could do those things. But he isn't going to. You know that as well as I do. Don't try and pretend. \n\nWhy don't you just be honest? We both know that what you really think is that you'll be rich someday and you dont want anyone taking your money because you're greedy and selfish. Don't pretend like it's a moral thing, you just want to screw others to benefit yourself. You're the manchild here.", "Yeah, I had (and still have) great hope, but the realist in me is starting to realize it could be like a fractal: the closer we look at the problem the more problems we find.", "You're certainly not saying anything with this comment.", "Unions now! CEO are the new slave drivers", "No idea what you're babbling about.", "Yes. Some people didn’t even realize what was going on and their computers were just turned off remotely", "\"the last time I cried, I hope this time to be stronger\" says the guy who sits remotely, laying people off who support their families with this wage.", "My benefits ended at the end of the month when I got laid off with no severance. I got laid off on the 26th. Of February.", "DLR isn't fully autonomous the trains are often operated remotely.", "Wouldn't they just blame the immigrants and Hillary?", "If this is the second time he has had to do a mass termination, maybe he isn’t such a good ceo and he should be fired. Just a thought", "Getting laid off sucks getting laid off by billion dollar companies saying they are losing money is a joke.", "The layoffs weren't performance based, they're prepping the company for an IPO. This is why I said you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not talking about layoffs in general, I'm talking about the actions this specific company took. This situation happens a lot, but it doesn't surround every layoff, sometimes they are necessary, this one looks completely motivated by greed.", "A ton of shills in these comments are like \"well, they are a company and companies are well within their rights to fire people right before the holidays.\"\n\nLike the most famous Christmas story of all time isn't about a rich miser abusing his employees. Ffs", "What should he have said differently?", "I'm wondering how he calculated or knew about those 2 hours a day.", "That's definitely possible. I only operate in Florida", "I think strictly from a logistics pov, you are right, but the problem is that there are human lives and families being disrupted and discarded, not soulless commodities. Industry prides itself on building solutions and driving innovation. The approach that the better.com ceo took was cheap and lazy and lacked any sense of of driving a best practice. As a result, it ends up costing the company tons of social capital. Corporations have to make bigger investments towards onboarding off-boarding policies and procedures to ensure that they don’t create a massive disillusioned workforce that harbors resentment towards leadership.", "> That's why you have a buffer of money that goes up and down with with the market. On down turns take money out of the buffer, in up turns put it in.\n\nDude you clearly have no idea what its like to run a business - especially a startup", "I've started tracking my time with Clockify just out of curiosity and I hear you. Turns out, as one of the more valuable and productive members of the team, I average about 4 hours on task a day.\n\nThose huge long days where I'm really stuck into some debugging and feel like I worked all day and push my last commit at like 10:30pm are like 7 hours on task.", "The time is his by birth, you're paying for labor.", "fuck yew dewd.", "I looked into that woman who was given bonuses as stock options. Was definitely not sleeping with the guy. How does someone rise so quickly into the corporate ladder?\n\nEven other employees thought she was inexperienced.", "Damn dude right before Christmas", "Seemed to work for decades before banking became a large profit margin business. Banks shouldnt be making large margins, the big 4 ahould be broken up, then the problem wouldnt exist to the degree youre making it out. Its only the pro business attitude that leads ro the situation you imagine.", "Yea but last time he cried. Hopefully this time he doesn’t.", "How come it seems so easy for US employers to fire their employees so easily? \n\nI am from the UK and in this situation this would be classed as redundancy whilst has rules and procedures the company would have to follow. \n\nOr are all these staff on contracts that allow them to be terminated?", "Ironic how companies that a bleeding money are often great for consumers", "I agree I don’t see it being over zoom as some sensational thing as much as the fact so many people got laid off right there and then being sucky.", "At the bottom level jobs you get an escort out 😂", "Wouldnt happen to be a plant in Limerick PA would it?", "Honestly listening to the way he speaks, he was probably telling the truth. Yknow at the end CEO’s are normal people just like us, and sometimes needs to make a tough call.", "He was stumbling over his words, he said \"um\" and \"uh\" so much. That's not the level of professionalism you expect from a fucking CEO", "Same goes for the military. They do not care about you, you're just a number. Everyone is replaceable, even the generals.", "I inquired\n\nI didn’t apologize for anything\n\n“Wtf”", "Been doing some searches on [Better.com](https://Better.com) and Vishal Garg (the CEO), they look to be bogged down in some very nasty Financial Fraud allegations and Garg might be for it personally as he's been accused of mismanagement and insider trading in other companies he's run.\n\nThis plus trying to float as a public company, if this all comes home to roost, the company could very well fold... It also sounds like a terrible place to work. \n\n\nHere's a sample article I found about this - [https://therealdeal.com/national/2020/11/20/better-com-ceo-vishal-garg-accused-of-fraud-hostile-workplace/](https://therealdeal.com/national/2020/11/20/better-com-ceo-vishal-garg-accused-of-fraud-hostile-workplace/)", "I don’t want to sound rude but - Guys, why are y’all pissed off? If the company is going downhill, they can’t support the staff. It’s not because they wanted to hurt the employees. It’s just that they can’t afford it. Running a company is extremely hard. They’re paying you a three-month severance in total, though. I’m pretty sure that at least 90% of the people will find something in those three months. \n\nI’m hearing that this CEO, in general, is rude to people. Well, fuck him. At least, he did not end it via email. That would have sucked even more.", "That’s actually a decent severance package and on top of that all these people will get unemployment. The CEO was also man enough to do it himself. None of these people have ever ran a company and judging by the unprofessional attitude of the person filming they will continue to perform in the lowest 15% of metrics.", "Why are you playing devil's advocate when you agree the CEO was wrong?", "I'm sorry but that's fucking hilarious", "IMO job security is usually a myth", "I used em too. I was coming from my credit union and better was just the best deal. When my CU asked why I was taking my mortgage elsewhere, I told them I went with Better, and they weren’t surprised. They said they just couldn’t compete with businesses like that. I don’t think I even made a single payment to Better before they sold my mortgage to another company - which, as others have pointed out, is standard in the industry apparently. I’ve had 3 mortgages since the 2007 shit and 2 of them were quickly sold to other companies after closing.", "Basically the entire US workforce is \"at will employment\".", "In construction I've never seen a severance pay or any apology/explanation, just a \"Surprise! Here's your last check, get your tools, and get the fuck off the job site before we get security.\"", "This was my experience as well. Should’ve walked when they wouldn’t pay my PTO", "He gave them a month of pay with benifits. That's good.", "I can edit and delete my comments too, dumb fuck.", "Blah blah blah", "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraining_Notification_Act_of_1988", "Shhhh. Working to be able to afford to do the things you enjoy is not a popular opinion on here. Everyone should do what they love and get payed handsomely for it. Also, all of the important things should be unrealistically affordable, like 40k for a house.", "Desktop version of /u/Rrrrandle's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Adjustment_and_Retraining_Notification_Act_of_1988>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "I think the most insulting thing is the measly 4 weeks of pay they're receiving. I know people who have been trying for the better part of a year to find a job. This blows so hard for those poor people.", "I was laid off right after the recession. Our bosses boss got us all in a room and said; 'There are good days, and there are bad days, and for you, today is a bad day. You're all getting laid off.'", "Maybe not throwing a pity party for himself because he feels bad he has to fire people? Maybe showing a shred of empathy for the lives he just heavily impacted instead of thinking about himself first and only?", "Imagine you give me a lender credit of $2,300 when charging me $1,800 for the whole refinance process, from loan origination to escrow to mobile notary, and have the appraisal fee waived?\n\nThank you for earning my business. I can't believe that I actually get money from a refinance that my balance is the same, better rate with shorter term.", "I refinanced with Better. I was able to get a 15 year at 1.5% at a time when no one else was writing 15 year loans for less than 2%. The fees were insignificant. They even paid for the appraisal.\n\nTheir business model makes no sense. Obviously they were going to sell the loan. But they were never going to get enough to cover their costs.", "Yeah dad, well, I burned it to the ground, so.", "Because they were fired", "Even peasants can win revolts. Or is that just fantasy to you too? Maybe study some history", "Even if they didn't have access for in-person he should have taken questions. Guy has to deal with the people he just fired and take the blast.", "40k while probably only paying a phone bill is quite a bit of money, but the guy has probably never needed more so he's probably never asked for raises. People like that aren't go-getters either so he likely never will tbh", "Nobody is perfect.", "See you Monday 👉👉", "It's not really a decision though is it? \n\n\nYou either inherit, you work for a wage or you die slowly.", "Well, that sounds horrible.", "Then what's you effing problem dimwit?", "The mortgage lending industry is shady as fuck. You don't get into that shit without the idea that you're going to be fucking people over. See 2008 housing crisis.", "Shills in this thread are like \n\n\"what are you gonna do? I now fully and unironically side with Ebenezer Scrooge.\"", "I'm gonna get my wife's boyfriend to slay the CEO just like the Avengers defeated the evil Thanos!!", "But he was crying last time!!!", ">And to do this before a holiday is especially evil\n\nWhy is this evil? Why should a business incur extra expenses because they don’t want to inconvenience some adults? How is that fair to the employees still working there?\n\n“Our company is bleeding more money because the CEO wanted to be nice to a bunch of former workers.”", "Oh so you see yourself as Superman is that right? Yea maybe cut the delusions of grandeur and get a therapist.\n\nSometimes you have to sacrifice something to help others, and that's not a bad thing. Don't have to be religious to see the nobility in that", "one of the reasons why the CEO is getting criticized for this is because of the way he did it which was cold to say the least. So yes when you lay people off an individual exit interview is expected. If they don't do this then that's a very bad sign from the management particularly for those who still work there. Although standards are a lot lower in the US and those people are all in the US so maybe they'll just shrug it off...", "I went with a smaller, regional bank for my first house. They sold the mortgage within just a couple years. \n\nFortunately the new servicer has been responsive, and even had some simple online forms to fill out to end my PMI once my principal was down low enough, and they have a good online portal for COVID releif as well. I have had to call them a few times and felt like I got perfectly reasonable answers to questions.\n\nHonestly, I feel like I may have been moved off the first company's books because I was paying principal down on top of monthly payments, and the second servicer is setup better to handle early loan completion, but I have zero conclusive evidence for this hunch.", "I really wish I had the balls to trade options back when HMNY was flying high.", ">this guy works 80 hours a week\n\nAHAHAHAHAH oh man I'm already done reading. You're so far off in your little corporate worship world that you're completely disconnected from reality. \n\nI hope your little bubble is comfortable, I'm kind of envious of someone who can live the way you do without worrying about the real world", "Agreed. Rip the band aid off rather than leaving everyone in suspense as the word starts circulating. \n\nNo great way about it. But certainly don’t make it about how hard it is for you to do it.", "The severance package IS a nice gift. Free money for doing nothing.", "That's only a fraction of the problem. Most empty homes are temporary, there are also a small amount of second homes and airbnb homes and there is a fraction tied up in litigation. \n\nhttps://ggwash.org/view/73234/vacant-houses-wont-solve-our-housing-crisis\n\nAmerica needs about 5 million homes built and they are getting behind by 1 million a year. They need more trades people and builders along with a better supply chain for all the materials. They also need to change the zoning permits. Single home lots should not be the expectation anymore or the dream. They need to build 2.1 million a year for a decade to catch up.\n\nhttps://www.cnbc.com/2021/09/14/america-is-short-more-than-5-million-homes-study-says.html\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/graisondangor/2021/06/16/the-housing-shortage-is-worse-than-ever-and-will-take-a-decade-of-record-construction-to-fix-new-reports-say/?sh=15e5f76d4953", "Anecdotally I work more hours from home mostly because I enjoy my work and not having something finished early stresses me out", "His reaction was so juvenile. What is he, 12? Be an adult and understand this can happen to anyone at anytime. Always be prepared.", "“GoshDARN IT i’m so UPSET”", "So, they've been shorting their profits to grow revenue and now they have to cut their overhead to make things look healthier...\n\nI guess they're counting on their stock sale tp give them enough runway to actually figure out how to become profitable.\n\nFucking VC money will be the death of this country.", "He hopes to be stronger this time though.", "He’s a busy guy. This was the most time efficient way of doing it. He’s got things to do.", "Agreed. I love my immediate team/manager. Most of the people around me are quite nice and super hard workers. There are many interesting a super progressive policies which we enjoy and are privy to. \n\n\nThe interesting part is going to be when layoff #2 the vaccine holdout edition happens.", "People seem to have forgotten what that term means. This was actually pretty \"classy\" and it also involved class relations. The upper classes are always clueless and polite. People call others classless but that is really just a slur against the lower/working classes.\n\nSimilarly, people now use the slang \"boujee\" to refer to upper class lifestyle rather than its original meaning as a slur against the middle class.", "This is not the 1960s. No smart company expects any kind of loyalty and plan for the possibility of anyone leaving at any time. One corporation straight up told us on day one orientation, “We don’t expect you be here after 3-5 years.”", "What does this mean for the housing market?", "Can’t wait for the incoming crash 🥵", "That’s not empathy. That’s borderline narcissistic. He is making it about him. This reminds me of the blunder made by the BP CEO after the Deepwater, but that one was televised globally and pretty much costed him his career when he said “I’d like to have my life back”. These days, and post-Trump, people are so used to this that we don’t even remember what empathetic leadership looks like.", "> You don't fire 15% of your employees to \"convert\" their salaries to profit for investors.\n\nNo, but you do it to reduce expenses in the short term, giving an on-paper increase in profits when income is stagnant. This can increase share prices long enough for executives to divest at a profit. \n\nIt's an extremely common venture capital tactic.", "Honestly pretty impressed the CEO did this himself rather than carelessly delegate it off to someone lower. He even openly admitted it was his decision. There’s still clearly issues if the company can’t survive without massive downsizing, but he handled this better than any boss I’ve ever had.", "A buddy has his first closing with Better. Scheduled for 8:30 AM. documents didn't get sent over correctly til about 2:00PM. They are terrible.", "i agree with you .", "We just got a preview of UBI and that didn’t work out very well. Even the Fed admitted that the stimulus checks disproportionally went toward consumer goods and contributed to the inflation of goods we’re experiencing now.", "I don't think anyone on the call was upset with his stuttering lol", "That is some fucked up comedic timing XD", "How should I interpret this? Every company feels terrible. We just refinanced with Better. Argh. We try to be conscious consumers but I don't know how to do that effectively. Feel like I'm giving all my money to the big evil bank guy/CEO whether I try to avoid them or not.", "When the opener is \"Hi everyone UM thanks for joining UM I come to you with some not great news. The market has changed, as you know...\" while having a hard time making eye contact, and looking offscreen a lot, doesn't it kind of speak for itself? He takes until 1:24 to tell the people on the call they are laid off, but has a HUGE pause right before? Talks about his own personal difficulty first?\n\nI'm not really interested in going into a detailed analysis, but there is very little to recommend in how he did it. He needed a lot more practice and focus and a different tone. I've seen people handle the communication around mass layoffs much better.", "Ehhh... WeWork did fuck them pretty hard. The are trying to raise a quick 40 billion by selling ARM but it looks like that is going to fall apart with both the FTC an UK fighting hard against it. Sure they will survive, but the important people, VCs and such are not happy.", "Exactly this", "100%, he wasn’t emotional at all", "You could, I don't know, look up the company and CEO in Google before opening your mouth.\n\nhttps://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire\n\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2020/11/20/mortgages-fraud-claims-and-dumb-dolphins-a-tangled-past-haunts-bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg/?sh=2bb08f6410f4", "“I don’t know if it’s fair to say that he ‘fired’ them over zoom… he’s just making a company wide announcement that otherwise would’ve been out sent as an email and he — oh wait, he’s literally firing them over zoom.”", "No, it wasn’t.", "Yeah I think in this case it’s just a matter of separating the content from the method. Letting that many people go pretty much has to be done this way. You can’t have the first people creating a giant rumour mill and/or risk a few rogue employees nuking the file server or whatnot. His actual words are a separate issue that people are conflating with the “Zoom Call” piece.", "So whats the best way of laying off people working from home?", "for real; my current work situation allows me to work 1 day from home every other week and while yes there is definitely some filler time when I'm at the office, there's a difference between 'check my phone for a bit at my office desk' vs 'mute myself in zoom calls and load up Age of Empires for a few hours'", "I'm in the process of getting a mortgage and I've asked every lender if they sell the contracts to other companies and they all do. Each one said, \"don't worry we don't sell to Wells Fargo though\" but the people they sell the mortgage to will -_- \n\nAll mortgages end up with Wells Fargo in the end, that's why they still exist after all their scandals", "That was actually my first guess after reading about the funding. Isn't this like, super common?", "What makes you assume anything has to go sideways in order for a corporation to fire shitloads of people?\n\nCorporate execs will do shit like this so their stock can go up a quarter point.", "Went through one of these at the beginning of covid. I mean I saw it coming a mile a way. Was in outside sales in California. Was no shocker. Anyway, like I feel like the downplay the whole situation. Just get straight to the point. “Hey guys, bad news we have to layoff 15% of the company and it is unfortunately every one on this call. HR will be contacting everyone throughout the day to answer any questions. You will be receiving severance and so on.” Stop with the fucking pleasantries and “oh it was such a tough decision to make and I hate that we have to do it.” No you don’t. It is all about profit and this is the fastest way to get it.", "I had this happen to me in person. It was even worse because I was in the unlucky room of people and they wouldn't even let us go back to our desks. We were escorted out of the building.", "So basically what the CEO said was complete and utter bullshit? Shocking.", "Angrily tips over empty plastic water bottle", "It’s just a job bro\n\nIf you had nothing to lose then you had nothing to work for to begin with \n\nYour cheese gets moved then you move with the cheese", "This is like salt in the wounds of those laid off. They probably had some amount of equity, but now won't be realized because they were laid off while those who were able to stay on will see their equity monetize once the company goes public. Ouch.", "Profit over People.", "That doesn't mean you have to keep on proving it.", "Lmao", "I don’t think just because a sub is fast growing and popular necessarily means it has merit. The Donald was very popular. To many on the outside r/antiwork is a complete and utter joke. Not too mention how many of the screenshots are fake.", "Move Fast and Break things. The Silicon Valley Way! Only this time the only thing they broke is themselves.", "Nobody is saying you have to lay down and take but don’t complain if there are consequences. If you don’t want to play the “game” that’s fine but don’t complain if you don’t like the outcome.", "I am literally closing a refinance with BETTER on Monday. Their rate was WAY lower than anyone else’s. \nAlso the process was very simple and streamlined. I applied a week before thanksgiving.", "I used to work at a small brewery making stuff for their social media, taking product photos, all kinds of stuff for their digital presence. Never had any complaints from anyone except for the standard creative back-and-forth as we decided how we wanted to shoot stuff. The owner and CEO both loved everything I was putting out.\n\nOne Thursday as I was working from home, I got a text from the marketing manager (my direct boss) asking to meet at the brewery at 9 the next morning. When I got there, they pulled me into the CEO’s office to “catch up”, and told me that they’d “decided today would be my last day”. When I asked what the reason was for firing me, they said it was a combination of a difference in creative style and a realization that they needed to handle their digital media differently. \n\nIt was precisely 4 calendar weeks after they hired me. CEO asked if he could send me home with some beer, to which I would’ve said no except for the fact that I actually liked a lot of what they made, so I took some. Not an hour after they fired me, they posted some of my stuff on their social media. They continued to do that for the next couple of weeks until they ran out of my content. So much for a “difference in creative style”. Fucking snakes.", "At least he felt bad about it. Ha!", "Also this one", "Hey, he cried last time he did this and hoped he would be stronger this time. He's clearly the victim here /s", "Is the CEO of a company supposed to pretend like we don't operate in a capitalist system because it the system also has negatives? What is he supposed to do with his company?", "On top of that as much as it sucks to be laid off this time of year. I'd rather be laid off before I spend a bunch of money on Christmas only to find out I really needed that money come January.", "Redditors will look for anything to criticize/complain about. None of us here would know how to approach this difficult situation perfectly, but by criticizing this guy’s approach, it subconsciously makes us feel good about ourselves.", "You're right it's Zillow.", "k", "They went from Better to Worse.com", "I tried to get my mortgage refinanced with Better.com.\nHoly Shit, their reps are agressive as fuck. Dude texted me/ called me like 50 times in a single day. Then their useless background check people in India had the stupidest questions.\"huh, I see you made a payment to Amex for $50 3 years ago. Care to explain?\"\nwtf, it, a $500K mortgage and a random 50 bucks payment is a concern?\nand to top it off, in the end they quoted me $30k in closing costs. I dropped the application right there!\nNever again. \nand seeing who their CEO is , it all makes sense.", "You’re deluded if you think you have enough people on your side to accomplish something like that", "More goes into it than that. If where you work pays you what you want and gives you what you want in terms of work life balance there is no need to shop.", "I wish the news was… Better…com", "I did tech on events where companies got a couple hundred employees into a conference room just to sack them... It was brutal every time.", "Every company I have ever witnessed going public has laid of a bunt of staff before going public. It seems that investors are dumb idiots that can get tricked by stupid tricks.", "please tell me a bunch of people just got up and walked out.", "I never said it's more important nor implied that. My hobbies and family is in another world of importance than my work. But my work is a crucial part to maintain those things.", "Didn't know that you run on Karma. I thought it was greese and McDonald's", "The employees aren’t doing better.com.", "> Maybe since he’s the guy steering the ship he could have coughed up some of his bonus money to lengthen that four week severance.\n\nHe earned that bonus. It feels stupid to tell a man to turn away money that he earned. Can I tell you what to do with your money? Donate to the charity I want you to donate to or I’ll call you a jerk. Sounds fair.", "Solid rebuttal, you got me good mate", "A bit of a wuss over it.", "Dread it, run from it, the PPT still arrives", "None of us know anything so let’s hold off on grabbing the tridents and lanterns. Angry mobs based off of….. fantasy", "Honestly, I think I would love this job. Just travelling all the time, you’d never get bored at the office because your office changes week to week.", "I have to be honest, this was a very generous severance package. Most companies lay you off and that’s it, your insurance runs out at the end of the month. It always sucks losing your job, but keeping your medical insurance for three months while you look for a new job is pretty generous.", "Yeah, I've been on one of these meetings where half the room was being laid off (not me) and the awkwardness was hair raising. \n\nI was honestly shocked there wasn't more outrage but the one smart thing the speaker did was keep the details of the severance a secret and said that each individual worker was going to be discussing with HR the \"amount of severance and timeline of benefits\" so no one wanted to freakout and wreck their package by punching them in the face.", "The fact that he did this himself is showing a shred of empathy. If he was only thinking of himself then he would've had HR do the dirty work.", "No, we had a plant full of professionals that understood our projects were too important to abandon. Also, a lot of employees were near retirement so the severance was actually timed well. The company also paid a generous retention bonus to key people to stick around until the plant was physically closed.", "Urban dictionary entry for bougie.\n“Aspiring to be a higher class than one is. Derived from bourgeois - meaning middle/upper class, traditionally despised by communists.\"\n\nI always thought it meant something like \"spends money they shouldn't on bs.\"\n\nTIL.\n\nhttps://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bougie", "You're not American, so clearly you have no idea what that means.\n\nThey may be on the clock for 62 hours but they sure as hell aint doing anything hard for most of that. In that same study, over 50% of their work occurs outside of the office, meaning a large portion of that 62 hours is travel time; and 28% is spent sitting alone in their office. If my job consisted of driving around to eat with clients at fancy restaurants or chill out in my own office doing paperwork, hell yeah I'd be down to work 60 hours. \n\nSince you havent done any research, let me give you a few more facts on the CEO.\n\nHe threatened an old business partner that he would staple him to the wall and burn him alive.\n\nHe gave his girlfriend (a higher up at the company) tons of unearned money and stock\n\nHe's currently being sued for massive fraud, theft from prior companies, and the use of said stolen funds to run Better\n\nHe came out yesterday and said that the people he fired were all thieves because them not being as productive as other workers meant they were stealing from customers\n\nThis is the guy you're defending. This is the hill you've chosen to die on - licking the boots of a grifter and scammer and singing his praises.\n\nOh, and the reason it went to 8 bil was because of last year's housing boom, not him. Their revenue was about 87 mil a year before that.", "Really because to me that seems kinda like the bare minimum.\nEdit: all the people saying “well the CEO didn’t lay ME off when I got let go, so it’s actually better than minimum” not understanding just how bad that actually sounds and still defending this shit is gross. The man did this right before Christmas. He could have at the very least allowed them a job until New Years.\n\n/r/antiwork whenever you get tired of being taken advantage of 👍", "Last startup I worked for (~12 people at our peak) had a CEO that had 30+ years of accounting experience. He proceeded to run the company into the ground with overspending. Like, buy the office building we were renting from, renovate the whole thing, wait until we're 80% finished with a product before switching to a new one. Goddamn that was a fun job lmao.", "Lay off 15% now or 100% later. No one is willing to take less pay to keep the company going and everyone else employed.", "Okay, I'm not as dumb as i thought lol. Thanks for the link and back and forth!", "> We just got a preview of UBI\n\nA one-time payment in 2 lumps? That's not UBI. [THIS](https://www.kela.fi/web/en/news-archive/-/asset_publisher/lN08GY2nIrZo/content/results-of-the-basic-income-experiment-small-employment-effects-better-perceived-economic-security-and-mental-wellbeing) is a UBI. [This](https://www.king5.com/article/news/nation-world/universal-basic-income-experiment/507-768a521c-3f24-497f-b85d-04a81aaf6f97) is a UBI. And they work.", "This company has thousands of employees, it's not some small start up. I understand that having a buffer isn't the top priority when your margins are so slim to begin with, but there is no reason why you wouldn't slowly work towards having one as your company gets bigger.", "The big difference is you actually have empathy. \n\nI swear some managers get off on being colossal assholes.", "You only need about 3.5% of a population for a successful change in the status quo. What percentage of the US population is under the poverty line? How many are unsatisfied with the country as it is? We've got the people, it's just a matter of time", "It's for the better, I suppose", "Nice", "i liked it. its short and crisp and gets to the point. interview rejection mails should be delivered in a similar tone too.", "Profile in courage", "What a fucking tool", "If I ever get laid off, I want you to do it.", "In my humble opinion, any any CEO who has to have layoffs, should immediately lose half their salary, all their bonus for the year and be replaced the following year. They have failed so thoroughly that there is no coming back.Also as a rule of thumb, laying off an employee is approx. 50k each. So 900 employees with a 50k price tag, that's about 45M. A bit high, but as this calculator shows, it can go so much higher. [Here](https://www.cepr.net/calculators/turnover_calc.html)", "Must be depressing to think you have no control over your life.", "I’m business it’s “ nothing personal”, but they did what they felt was easiest from their experience. No hard feelings and it’s all about $", "It was hard to watch with him saying um all the time, never said anything about suttering but nice try and thanks for the downvote hun", "Exactly. Here in Sweden in order to fire that many people you would have to prove that either the employees were not performing their job, or that the company is in serious financial trouble.", "Nobody has ever explained to me what the end game is then on antiwork? You quit your job you showed your boss who’s the man. Now what? How the hell are you going to get by?", "Kinda. \n\nAnd, no. \n\nWhat was happening in the early late 90s/2000s was that lenders were encouraged to write bad loans (sub prime loans with no verifiable income or assets). They were encouraged because institutions like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would buy up all your shitty loans (and all your good ones too), bundle them, then sell them on the open market with guaranteed, government backed ratings. But no one was looking into the bundles. You're buying a government guaranteed AAA rated commodity, you would assume someone did some some due diligence. You would have assumed wrong. Investors buying up these shitty loans labeled as good ones is what caused the financial sector collapse. \n\nThe economy was in the shitter, and people with no skin in the game were defaulting on their loans that they likely had no business getting in the first place. I know I sold a bunch of houses to people that obtained 100% mortgages. Which was a subprime staple. \"Oh you don't have enough in savings to put a down payment on it? And you work a cash job with no verifiable pay stubs? And you can't afford closing costs? No problem! We've got the solution for you! So here's the deal: were gonna give you a standard 80% of the home value mortgage at 3 points higher than average, and then were gonna give you the remaining 20% as an equity line of credit, but to keep it cheap, it's gonna be a 5 year adjustable rate interest only loan, but don't read the fine print about that balloon payment after 5 years and I'm going to disguise the adjustable rate part as an \"ARM\" so you think it's just a 20% mortgage extension thingy. And the closing costs? Who cares? We'll roll them into the mortgage. Also, can you borrow like 3 grand from someone you know so that we can show something in your bank account for the underwriters?\" Which was followed 45 days later with \"here's your keys!\"\n\nThese are the types of loans that started defaulting. These are the loans that were driving rapid growth. When the bottom fell out it cascaded. So you have the economy tanking, shitty loans propping up a housing market that saw insane growth over the prior decade, and suddenly people were losing jobs. People with fully leveraged houses were trying to refinance because the balloon payment (you owe the full amount of the loan) on those 5 year interest only ARMs were coming due and they didn't have the equity, the credit, or fixed their income status enough to get financing to pay off that loan. So people just walked. Too many foreclosures in your area tanked your property value. You, who did everything right. Now you're underwater (owe more than the house is worth) and trying to figure out if staying is worth it. Hell, you could sell at a loss and buy a foreclosure better than yours. Or, better still, you could buy the foreclosed home \"as an investment\" and just default on your home if you were financially able to. Essentially, a lot of people had a lot of shitty loans, and when jobs started being lost, defaults started to happen. And they were happening so fast that the market that was buying the bundled loans couldn't truly adjust. They were trying to pull a shell game, but failed miserably. It wasn't the foreclosures that hurt them directly, it was investing in bundled loans, and investing heavily in them, that hurt them. That's why it wasn't just banks that got bailed out. Insurance companies and investment companies got bailed out too. \n\nAnd to think, all of this started with a misguided attempt by the government to help poor families. I'm not saying that helping poor families is misguided by any means. I'm saying their attempt was grossly misguided. Basically, around the early/mid 90s the government said to the banks, \"look, you gotta stop being racist (good thing #1) and you gotta start lending to people with less than perfect credit (good thing #2). We know that this will be a risk, but what we're willing to do is deregulate a few things for you (oh fuck, you were on a roll of good things!) and make it so that (bad thing #1) you don't need to capitalize (have cash on have to cover defaults) everything you've underwritten (said yes to), and (oh god make it stop) we're gonna buy those loans and guarantee them on the open market (bad thing #2)! Oh also (fuck, what fresh hell now?) If you don't do this, you're gonna lose your FDIC insurance status. Bye!\"\n\nSo, in a nutshell, a bad attempt at a good thing, shitty banking practices to try to get rich, Ave people who shouldn't have been able to buy a home buying them due to the two aforementioned items led to the collapse. Things are way tighter now and buying and selling of loans is a practice that goes way back before all of this. It's the way it was done that hurt us. \n\nTldr; it wasn't just buying and selling loans that did that to us. It's complicated.", "Well this sort of changes the story a lot.", "It's totally a boom or bust industry. It's almost comical watching the LOs I work with spending like it will never end. If you work in mortgage and your role is considered variable and tied to volume... Don't be in the bottom 50% of performers and start saving.", "What's the return policy on tridents? I brought my own lantern from home so I'm keeping that.", "Never could be an easy way to do this with how many people were laid off. You'd like to see everyone who wasn't declining in performance stay on but with the current economic situation, companies will unfortunately have to do this.", "I recommend using a better website.", "I don't get why y'all are mad about this. This is WAY more personal than how most large companies handle this. Last year, I work for a big airplane manufacturer. Up untill kthe day notices were handed out, \"there will be no layoffs, we're keeping everybody working through this!\" Then boom, 40% of our plant got cut the next day. At least these guys aren't flat out lying and just handing you some boiler plate letter.", "For everyone defending the CEO:\n\n----\n\n\"Yet another legal battle involving Garg has dragged on for the better part of a decade. His former business partner and college friend, Raza Khan, claims that Garg improperly moved $3 million from a software company the two men started to his personal bank accounts, and then used stolen technology to help build Better. Garg denies those claims and is countersuing, in a dispute so bitter that during a deposition Garg threatened to burn his former friend alive.\n\nAnd \n\n“HELLO — WAKE UP BETTER TEAM,” writes Vishal Garg, the CEO of Better.com, in an email to employees obtained by Forbes. “You are TOO DAMN SLOW. You are a bunch of DUMB DOLPHINS and…DUMB DOLPHINS get caught in nets and eaten by sharks. SO STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE EMBARRASSING ME.”\n\nAnd\n\nAccording to the trustee representing the debtholders, an entity controlled by Garg had secured toxic-loan settlements from banks. Instead of being used to first pay off the debtholders, and then the investment group, some of the money went to undisclosed accounts Garg controlled, the trustee alleged. Goldman Sachs joined the case alongside PIMCO and echoed the claims, and said some of the practices by entities Garg controlled amounted to “flagrant self-dealing to enrich its owners.”\n\nThe total sum that Garg's companies allegedly did not disclose to debtholders remains unclear, though filings in the ongoing case peg the figure in the “tens of millions of dollars.”\n\nAnd\n\nGarg wasn’t impressed, declaring that the customer experience was still lacking and that his employees weren’t pressing a title insurance partner hard enough. “You need to press your [partner] to the point of breaking, then break them. Break them,” he responded. “Pls share the aggressive ‘I am going to break you’ tactics.”\n\nThen Garg sent a follow-up: “Punish them. Punish them like they just stole candy from your little sister. And until you fight for the consumer, you aren’t getting my love.”\n\nYeeeeeeah, such a good guy! /s\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2020/11/20/mortgages-fraud-claims-and-dumb-dolphins-a-tangled-past-haunts-bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg/?sh=46317ffe10f4", "Well if you think about it, we already put the most complex problem solving thinking machines we know of in existence in every car now in every condition imaginable. And they still screw up all the time. And self driving has to do at least well. \n\nI'll give one example just off the top of my head. \nSay a hot dog vendor wheels his cart in the road from behind a parked car. Then say there isn't enough time for braking to avoid the collision. A human can at least manuveure enough to hit the cart instead of the man. How is the computer going to know what the priority is in an unavoidable crash event like that? Now, I'm sure there are really smart people and engineers working on it, but man, there are gonna be some dead hot dog vendors along the way.", "This is the way. I've had two mortgages with a mid-size local credit union and they have always been the servicer. As far as our lender knew they have never sold mortgages, which was really encouraging.", "When your entire career skill set is based on performing some particular function at a factory that will now be moved to China, you don’t have many employment options.", "Was in talks to start there as a Senior Data Analyst back in June this year. Was there a concentrated area that was cut? Besides DEI. \n\nSounds like it'd be a lot of Ops/underwriting though because rates and such. \n\nEdit: took a job on the west coast instead, just curious", "No but in normal in-person scenarios they might rather do it department-by-department and have the managers break the actual news. With Zoom its a lot more expedient because they can get 1k people on and just say \"BYE.\" It sounds like this is a complete surprise to at least the recorder so they may not have even been taking any precautions like encouraging early retirement, offering lateral promotions or demotions/pay cuts, and trying to preserve some talent. All those would be signals to others that layoffs are incoming. This video feels very much like a bandaid being ripped off.", "Lol let me know how that goes", "\"Happy fucking holidays\"... Jesus Christ. \"The last time I had to do this I cried\". Was that even a necessary thing to say? This guy seems like a real piece of shit doing this through a zoom call. Sorry about all those who lost their jobs right before the holidays. I hope the best for ya. That really sucks :-/", "If you squint real hard he almost likes like a human being.", "Yeah I think it was generally handled pretty well. Its shitty news, he seemed sincere, is what it is I guess.", "It’s more like, bank has money, bank gives borrower money with the promise that it will be paid back over thirty years, bank wants money now so it can lend it to someone else, bank sells promise of payment to a third party and restarts process. \nThe bank usually make its money from fees charged to the borrower, but Better isn’t charging enough fees to make a profit.", "Glad I left this dumpster fire a couple years ago when I saw how toxic it was. I’ll still take my ipo money when they go public", "Drink and drive and kill animals in my experience.", "What a douchebag, shit company", "My dad owned a small business and I worked for him starting at 12 years old my guy. I know how it works. \n\nAlso cute that once again, you can't counter anything else I said so you single out the only point you can fight against.", "Aussie here, holy crap this all sounds surreal to me. So in the US you can lock rates for 30 years? Wow. So like you're locked into the same bank for that long?\n\nHere we have the choice of variable or fixed rate. Vrb has no lock in, so you can refinance with a different bank whenever (with a small fee that a lot of banks will pay back to get you in). And fixed rates are usually 1-4 years which eventually goes to variable when over. \n30 year repayments is standard.", "What would make this better? He seems genuinely remorseful and would forcing you to come into the office make this any easier to swallow? Generally I'd say that your direct manager should deliver the news, so I suppose that would be better, but maybe the CEO felt personally responsible to deliver the news. I dunno. It's going to suck either way.", "I just refinanced and did a lot of searching and have never heard of them. Maybe that’s part of the problem.", "Exactly. He should not have attempted and just fired them all via email\n\nYour mindset really annoys me. Life doesn't always work out. The company isn't going to go bankrupt to pay you for one more month. This announcement was a lot better than what it could have been. They're all being paid a month's severance on top of it.\n\nedit: Alright younguns, tell me the perfect way to have gone about this.", "I think this guy honestly wanted to toy with these people. He was quoted as saying they were essentially stealing from him by not putting enough effort into their jobs.", "A good decision for the CEO personally, it could be a horrible decision for the company.", "I agree housing should be more affordable, but everyone being paid handsomely for doing what they love seems unrealistic for me. \n\nSome people love playing video games and jerking off all day. Some people like to collect weird ceramic figurines. How handsomely should they be paid for doing those things?", "Yea same my new job is so much better", "I worked for a company which was bought by another company. \n\nFirst day plant wide meeting. The new plant manager starts off by saying he's a big morale guy. Follows that up by letting us know that he's laying off 25% of the work force. Great morale booster there. \n\nThen finished the meeting bragging himself up with slides and information about his marathons he partakes in.", "Doesn’t surprise me. I dealt with better.com to get a loan and had a horrible experience.", "It would be amazing from the convenience standpoint of the customer. It wouldn't exactly be amazing from the standpoint of the millions of people who rely on Uber or Lyft to subsidize their income or help them survive between employment gaps.", "If the people cost the company millions of dollars in the process of transition to a public company, then that automatically makes them worthless to the company and \"dead weight.\"", "Just because things were worse for you doesn't mean it's good these people lost their jobs.", "> companies pretty much halt all hiring operations until after the break\n\nMy sister's a recruiter, for her at least it's the other way around - they're still hiring, but basically nobody's willing to leave a job to start a new one during that late Nov through Dec holiday window so it's hard to fill available positions this time of year.", "More to the point of what happens when you send money out to people. People argue inflation happens and is what happened.", "Generally, they'll announce a round of layoffs coming and outline who may be getting cut. This allows people to prepare, job seek, and rein in any spending just in case. And then, when the layoffs do happen, no one is surprised and it's generally done with your direct boss and/or HR directly. They also generally do it well before the holidays so people can actually get hired somewhere as most places shut down all hiring until after the new year. \n\nLayoffs are generally impersonal, yes, but usually you know they're coming. There's a right way and a wrong way. This was the wrong way.", "What if all I wanted to with my time was masturbate and post slurs on the internet about how some retards are still working like chumps?", "Yea the workplace got more toxic as it went down hill and I didn't realize how bad it was until I got a new job. Also getting paid about 30% more now", "The lending industry is ultra competitive. I came across Better.com in my refi shopping and I found their rates were good but not great, while their entire process was more or less automated.\n\nI ended up going with a traditional lender since they had more flexible mortgage plans (can adjust points, terms, etc) and did more hand-holding.\n\nI can see that Better is trying to go the route of efficiency, but if they are trying to out-efficient other lenders there’s about 20 others who are trying to doing the same thing. It really just becomes a war of attrition of who can outspend the competition on marketing and lower fees.\n\nWouldn’t be surprised if others in this industry are having layoffs as well.", "Have you ever been put in a situation where you have had to do this sort of thing? We are all human, it's not easy.", "If I ever get laid, I want you to do it", "The literal first sentence says this is a subreddit about ending work? What is misleading? Nobody still has explained the end game to me?", "so... when do I short them?", "But, so much charisma!", "All I know is when I hear people getting laid off it's usually from a shit company anyways. I say screw it and do something that makes you at least feel better about yourself.", "Because either it was a short-term decision indicating that the company has no idea what's coming in a month's time and the remaining employees should be extremely worried, or they knew this was coming in October and decided to wait until the holidays anyways, knowing that it would be an extra kick in the metaphorical nuts.", "What did he do to \"earn that money\"? He got rich on the back of his labor force, then laid them off after a massive cash infusion because he wants to look good on paper when he goes public next year.", "It's like the subway guy from Community: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI1l17Q60as", "I have tried repeatedly to work with Better.com for some of my home purchases (two in the last 4 years due to life circumstances). Each time, the application process seems to fail and no \"person\" is able to help me. \n\nThey automated the mortgage process using the post-2009 application process that attempts to correct for potential abuse and limit exposure to toxic assets. However, in the process, and in my opinion, their adherence to the automation harmed a number of applications where a sale was possible, but their lack of technical know-how pushed potential buyers to other platforms and mortgage initiators. \n\nI've even tried recently to refi my current house, and despite everything seeming to be in order, my application was rejected via email. However, the website continued to masquerade that my application was being processed and would/could eventually be approved. Weeks later, the system finally said the refi application was denied. WEEKS. \n\nI just think they took the pre-2009 model of rapid application approval, placed a number of post-2009 rules and terms on mortgage initiations, and expected the money to just roll in. However, lots of people have lots of different life situations, different incomes, etc. My self-owned business had demonstrated 6 figures of revenue for 2014 thru 2018, and somehow Better.com couldn't get a mortgage started for me.\n\nBefore 2009, it seemed like anyone could get a mortgage, or several mortgages leveraged from their portfolio. After 2009, it seems like nobody can get mortgages unless they fit in a small subsection of: pure income, no expenses, debt-to-loan ratio of 45% or lower, verifiable assets, and even still, they can't approve the loans.", ">who made it far more difficult to pay them properly and out giant fees on being late\n\nThe problem isn't that they can sell the mortgage, but that the mortgage contract allows these things to be changed.", "He did say that “if you’re on this call you are a part of the unlucky group included in the layoff.” That means he technically fired himself.", "Yeah going public is a hard turn and can lead to a lot of layoffs to make your numbers look better. Have to do that now that the world can see the numbers and determine your value based off of them. Just happened to us too (software services).", "Ummmmm uhhhhhh.", "Exactly! Seems they forgot that what happens on the internet can be super easily available to the entire world in mere moments and will last forever.", "I think hunting is kinda dumb and boring. Use a spear like a man.", "Still havent disproved a single thing I said.\n\nMillionaires are the government. Theyre the reason the government sucks.", "That is an unrealistic ideology. There isn't really a scenario where everyone gets to do their hobbies for work. I'm a smaller setting, if I lived in a village and their were required jobs for society to function. If a group thought that they should not work and go paint on rocks instead while still benefiting from the working class than I would vote to remove those people from that village. I think it's a perfectly healthy mentality to promote you need to work to live. Not overwork yourself into the grave but a healthy amount of productivity is essential to progression. Imo.", "I work in industry as well and you hit it exactly. Everyone hired like crazy to take advantage of the record low rates and in many cases overshot even before the rates started going back up. A few bps really does make a difference on how many people would find it worth doing a refi.\n\nEveryone else out there... If you're in mortgage prepare for harder times and layoffs. It isn't if, it's when.", "I can be your support person in the room. We got this", "Yeah was he supposed to go to the homes of all 900 people and deliver the message personally? How else do you deliver the news to 900 people working from home? An email would be way worse.", "probably giving himself a big Christmas bonus this year, the amount is equal to what 15% of his workforce would make for the year.", "Sucks that 15% of the employees list their jobs. On the bright side the severance is better than most organizations would offer. Best of luck to everyone who got terminated. Hope you all land on your feet soon.", "I’m only staying at my current employer because I’ve got a great mentor and excellent opportunity for advancement. If I didn’t have that I would be looking.", "It’s not so much that the practice itself was a bad thing, it’s more so the regulations of the industry that got tightened drastically, and for the better. The issue was that the high-risk, likely-to-default mortgage loans were packaged with prime loans to sell them off. This was a massive issue because those loans default and basically are a net loss regardless of the more secure mortgages. \n\nBetter, UWM, and wholesale brokers in general are simply undercutting the market because they have no interest in housing the loan, they’ll sell it as soon as you close. Since they have no servicing and such they can, at surface levels, just make their percentage profit off of the sale of the loan and move on to the next one. The issue comes when you undercut the market so much so that it becomes an unsustainable business model. \n\nThe important distinction is the servicer of the mortgage. The servicer collects, distributes, and manages the mortgage. Let’s say you’d like to make a change to the payment or get any documents, you’d have to get in touch with the servicer post close. You can imagine the issues with having a bad servicer.", "Almost nobody gets “canned”, again you’ve gotta actually be doing something wrong. We work in the beverage industry, our margin can only be so much but we still gave cost of living raises to employees throughout the pandemic despite millions in lost revenue. \n\nI actually have known three of my employees since 2016 and I’ve only been their manager for less than a year. \n\nBy “handing them tickets”, I mean requisitioning tickets for local major league sports teams, amusement parks, etc and individually handing them to each. I just got one of my employees a set of four $300 tickets to go relive an experience he had with his son, plus take his wife and a fourth of their choosing just last week. \n\nThe nature of our business has high expenses, limited revenue and a large staff. We aren’t paying “garbage” wages, our frontline reps are technically “entry level” and still netting over $70k with bonuses on 8 hour M-F schedule. \n\nMy district covers a major metropolitan area between 16 reps and 2 reliefs. Because we encourage taking vacation time, we have different people off for an entire week throughout the month of December. My reliefs are already busy covering plus a recent exit and a Covid case from our sister facility so one of my reliefs is assisting them too.", "\"The last time I did this, I cried. This time I hope to be stronger.\"\n\nWow, way to make it about you. I hope firing these people doesn't inconvenience you too much.", "That is true but that was a slur on the middle class spending money on BS. Traditionally there was no middle class really and the lower classes had no \"disposable income\". The rising middle classes were perceived by the upper classes as being uncultured and stereotyped as being mostly interested in [kitsch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitsch). It has morphed into \"boujee\" meaning flaunting wealth as a positive thing, like \"retail therapy\", but it was originally slur.", "I honestly believe that’s because I’m a millennial who saw all the benefits my parents had stripped away just as I was on the cusp of benefiting from them. Ive also worked up to where I am from the lowest paid entry level position at the company so I’ve lived pretty much everything they’re going through and so I tell it how I would want to be told myself.", "They're not comparable at all though. When you send out one lump sum, people will prioritize what they need right now, but if they have the confidence of knowing that more is always coming, they will start to prioritize more long-term goals. They also have less stress about the future, since they know that they don't have to live paycheck-to-paycheck, or juggle things like food vs rent. \n\nUBI works, and anybody who says different is literally a liar, because it's been shown to work.", "It's only required in the presence of scarcity. Scarcity isn't something that has to exist forever. Right now we could even have considerably less scarcity if we were employing our resources more effectively. Some day we could have zero scarcity if we were working towards it as a goal. But instead we've focused on individual wealth and idiots like you are part of the reason that we will continue to have that focus. Because you all believe that eat to work is inevitable. That it's not a condition which can be overcome with the right application of our resources.", "What do you mean what would it take? You haven't even made an attempt.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/lOTyUfOHgas", "Or he can just stop giving himself annual pay raises and bonuses that literally eat into the majority of the company profits, which keep the majority of the non-executive pay increases hovering at an average of +6% per year \n\nThen the staff doesn't get cut and he still continues to make millions of dollars more than he can spend doing the same thing (or continuing to evolve with the changing market)", "He had his vacation time that got paid out.", "Reminds me of the way Brad Pitt let players know they were being traded in Moneyball.", "Stop filming horizontal screens vertically.", "We shall call them Mortgage Backed Securities and pay agencies to give them an AAA rating.", "Actually not a bad severance package IMO.\n\n4 weeks pay, 3 months medical benefits.\n\nNobody wants to be laid off, but that is a decent move on the company's part.", "Oh lay off, man.", "It depends on how effecient with your time you are. I'm project based so I prefer to get my shit done in sprints. If I had to sprint 8 hours a day I would die.", "> came from out of town to shit us down\n\nthey did what to you?", "How he fired them was wrong. But that doesn’t mean I can’t see it objectively from a business position also.\nCynicism aside, if this really is about staying afloat and not just maximising profits, it’s “better” to lose a few than delay and have the whole company collapse when you can’t make payroll.", "Dude said. What do you do in soccer?", "triple lol", "Obviously it’s about money?", "> it is that the company made a lot of money this year and last\n\n\"In November, Better disclosed to the Securities and Exchange Commission that it projected it would lose between $85 million and $100 million in the third quarter, and that losses would likely widen in the fourth quarter. In the second quarter the digital mortgage lender also reported a net loss of $86 million.\"\n\nWhy do you feel the need to make shit up?", "To add to this don't fire/layoff someone on a Friday. Do it on a Monday that way they can take action to begin their job search immediately and not stew over it during the weekend.", "Talk about missing my point completely.\n\nI don't have a problem with the layoff itself, or the zoom call as a concept. I've directly seen a lot of large layoffs before, for various reasons, and have even had to be the one delivering the news to people. Every one of those was done more professionally in how the message was communicated to the affected people.\n\nThat announcement was horribly done and the CEO did a terrible job of it. The possibility that it could have been much worse does NOT excuse doing a terrible job at it. It could have, and should have, been done much better.\n\nGetting a month's severance is not an excuse for the terrible content of the news either. They were getting that anyhow.\n\nIf you misunderstand people's mindsets that badly, you must get annoyed a lot for no good reason.", "Did the best he could here given the circumstances", "\"They’re not in the business of charity.\"\n\n----\n\n“But you were always a good man of business, Jacob,” faltered Scrooge, who now began to apply this to himself.\n\n“Business!” cried the Ghost, wringing its hands again. “Mankind was my business. The common welfare was my business; charity, mercy, forbearance, and benevolence, were, all, my business. The dealings of my trade were but a drop of water in the comprehensive ocean of my business!\"\n\nIt held up its chain at arm’s length, as if that were the cause of all its unavailing grief, and flung it heavily upon the ground again.", "But we are a family?\n\nWhy is my family firing me?\n\n\n/s", "Cool downvotes for me arguing against your emotional attachment. Anyway what do you mean one lump sum? The second check was for $1400 and the monthly UBI proponents argue UBI should be in that monthly range. I could see an argument that after some amount of time, probably much later, people won’t disproportionally buy as many goods. Nobody knows when that goods spending curves declines though. The inflation proof out there right now isn’t a good look for UBI.", "Seems like you've got a lot going on to be complaining about one guy who wanted his sick days paid back to him. Weird priorities.", "Uh, no origination charges? No wonder they had to layoff people. Ridiculous. I'm in mortgage underwriting and layoffs happen, yes, but you can avoid laying off lots of people by not doing stupid shit like this. I bet they were paying high wages, too. I also bet that the bonus structure has changed a WHOLE LOT, lol. \n\nLast year I was getting between 10-20 messages per month on LinkedIn from recruiters and the hourly rate and bonuses kept increasing. I think the all time high was a $40k sign on bonus and like $80 an hour? That is ridiculous pay and it's not sustainable. It was not worth the loss of seniority at my job and the team I work with at my current job. That's worth more to me than money and my company pays me quite well and has good benefits.", "That’s a really good example… I could use this in training", "“The market has changed”\nIn simple word . \nI want to make more money from my bonuses so fuck u”", "Yeah, I feel like it is pretty naive to think businesses care. They will let you go at the drop of a quarterly report. No thought involved, you are a liability. I say this with a decade of experience in non profit at the local and national level. I've seen pregnant women laid off whose insurance ran out shortly before their due date. If that shit can happen, I believe every awful story, because employees have zero recourse and the books run the show.", "I'm really interested into finding out what makes you think I voted for Joe Biden.", "He has a NOW HIRING tagline on his LinkedIn profile right now btw.", "100%", "Unfortunately had to fire an employee for cause this year; I'm a new manager and had never done it and my HR person structured the script for me just like this.\n\nWe need to have this important discussion. Due to lack of performance we are terminating your employment effective immediately. HR will have an email to you right now with next steps and your severance details. You'll get x pay till x date and we will coordinate equipment return.\n\nEtc. Short and to the point then give them some opportunities to ask questions but keep them toward the resolution. It's been done and decided by that point.\n\nRegardless as a manager it WAS heartbreaking. I did cry privately afterwards.", "Imagine being late to the zoom call and wondering wtf is going on and why your work computer won’t let you log in", "So you admit it’s a ridiculous subReddit got it I’ll keep working then lol", "It's crazy that there are mortgage brokers at all. My mortgage will be sold to Fannie Mae anyway.", "Generally, credit unions never sell their loans, in my experience. Because of that, they can offer different products that regular mortgage companies can't, because the majority of mortgages are backed by an investor (Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac).", "When I got laid off, there was no severance structure in place. \n\nHas to finally call corporate after 4 days and was told it was one week of severance and med benefits would extend to the end of the month. My wife was due with our first child in 9 days. \n\nOh also, I had 88 hours of vacation banked, and conveniently, 2 days before layoffs, a policy change was implemented that whether leaving the company voluntarily or involuntarily, you cannot cash out vacation.", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Yv8MrBBuRqI\n\n\n1999 interview of a very different Jeff Bezos and Amazon. It’s funny because he really does adopt a Michael Scott persona in this interview.\n\nTheir old headquarters literally looks like the same set that the office used.", "Manager here that hasn’t had to let a anyone go… yet. I know it’s part of the job, but I am dreading that day. Thanks for advice.", "My guess is outsourcing to India or some other country.", "You do you, but you're coming off as obtuse. \n\n\"This really is about staying afloat\"\n\nThat completely depends on how much you trust this company. Don't know why you would but, once again, you do you.\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2020/11/20/mortgages-fraud-claims-and-dumb-dolphins-a-tangled-past-haunts-bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg/?sh=46317ffe10f4", "That's generous in America? You guys really are fucked.", "My point here is about money, not about job creation or any such bleeding heart foolishness. The reason to care about Talent is because Talent makes money. \n\nIf you do a poison pill like this, it boosts your revenue for this quarter, but you pay for it ten times over in a year or two because you can't develop your product any more. Quarterly revenue helps the current owners, but the investors who are paying for this pile of junk are getting scammed.", "I used to fanatsize about beuatiful women and fast cars... about being a spy and executing thrilling missions, or saving lives as a super hero...\n\nThese days, I just fantatsize about winning the lottery - not cuz I would get to be rich, but because I would get to quite in the most ridiculous, grandiose fashion imaginable. I might fly all the way into the head office and hire a circus troupe to help me out. Maybe even just start smashing stuff and throwing hundred dollar bills at the piles of rubble.\n\nThis makes me happy.", "I can't help but notice you didn't tell me the ideal way to go about this. There has to be one, right?", "Yeah I mean it’s classic “going public type shit.” \n\nShows increasing margins and profit and eps, looks like efficiency, little do investors know, shit is slowly falling apart because the company is running at 85% staff lol", "Well laying off almost 1000 employees to secure $1B does make you a bad person though.", "Based upon my last two refis, I call “Yes.”\n\nyourmortgageonline dot com is the third-party servicer for a lot of ‘em", "I tried to get a mortgage from Better.com and they got my credit rating completely wrong. Like hundreds of points below my actual score. As a result, the offer they were making wasn’t competitive. My brother recommended them and so I tried to inform them of the glitch but they never fixed it. So I didn’t use them. Seems like they have some operational problems.", "For real. 3 months of pay with benefits? At least thats what I heard.\n\nEdit: Apparently a month of pay and 3 months of benefits. Thats still a pretty nice deal.", "Just saw your stupid edit, btw. Given that no one else replied to you here, you're either addressing me or making assumptions about who might be downvoting you.\n\nI'm in my 40s, have been a senior manager, and have had to lay people off. So, \"younguns\" is a deeply stupid assumption for you to make about anyone disagreeing with you.\n\nAlso, it's quite telling that you've gone from saying \"it could have been much worse so shut up\" to demanding that people tell you the \"perfect\" way to have gone about this. You demand perfection from others, but excuse the lack of it in yourself or people you defend?\n\nI know I haven't done my layoffs \"perfectly\", but I did a better job than that.", "I would have pre-recorded the dismissal instead of all the umms and the insulting story about crying.", "They sold a bunch of NFTs /s", "Yes it genuinely sucks. These are often people you worked with for some time, you might already know details of their personal lives and problems and it can be gut wrenching news to deliver sometimes; but if it’s bad for us to say, it’s many times worse to hear. If anyone enjoys that part of management they’re a fucking sadist.", "How do you feel about all the people defending the company in the comments?", "I still haven't seen your better way to have laid off 15% of a company, senior manager", ">\tCool downvotes for me arguing against your emotional attachment. \n\nHe said, angrily. No, I'm downvoting you because you're lying. \n\n>\tAnyway what do you mean one lump sum \n\nYou got a one-off check for a set amount. That they decided to do another one-off check again months later doesn't make it a UBI. \n\n>\tbut the proof out there right now isn’t a good case for UBI. \n\nWhat proof? You mean the proof I posted that shows it DOES work? You're [literally lying](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/02/us/politics/stimulus-checks-economic-hardship.html) dude.", "Friend of mine who works for Better told me Garg once shared the results of a personality test he took where he had the lowest possible scores in empathy and sensitivity.\n\n> he was trying to make some point about teammates balancing each other out or something.\n\nAlso this happened https://fortune.com/2021/12/03/better-com-ceo-attacks-laid-off-employees-blind-message-board/", "Worse.com", "That reply was before your edit, dingus. It took time to type it up and I had it open in a tab for a while before I got to it.", "He did it exceptionally poorly. Dragged it out, whined about his own feelings, etc. Yeah it's good he did it himself but he needs some lessons on how to fire people.\n\nGet to the point, let them know right away what's happening. Don't make them sit there in suspense feeling like it's coming but waiting for the confirmation. Then give more details if you want to. But keep it brief. And don't fucking talk about how much you firing them impacts you. I mean... no brainer. They're the ones being fired, no one cares how it makes you feel. I understand the intention of saying that, but it will never come off the way he's going for and will always be a bad look. And it's not the person trying to process losing their livelihood's responsibility to give the CEO the benefit of the doubt and think about things from his perspective.", "I'm not psychic. I'll wait though", "Bitter.com", "They still offered me a worse rate with higher fees than others.\n\nAnd my rep bullied me (which was the real reason why I chose elsewhere).", "You don't deserve an answer, honestly.", "That’s why I went with navy federal credit union for our mortgage. I don’t think credit unions ever sell their mortgages", "Specifically in relation to this company, I don’t believe their reasons. I was speaking more broadly and could have perhaps worded it better to show that", "Fannie and Freddie are the investors and yes, the loans are sold to them, but they don't do much servicing. \n\nFannie and Freddie are the ones who set the guidelines for mortgages. FHA, VA, and USDA do as well, but conventional loans are set by Fannie/Freddie. \n\nEvery single mortgage I've underwritten that is not a government loan is backed by Fannie and Freddie. My company services, I think, 95% of the loans we fund. Some are sold. Some are programs we have in house. I believe we also service other companies loans as well.", "Oh and by the way, I'm just heading out for some errands and have some plans tonight, so don't expect any further replies for a while. I wouldn't be surprised if you would have treated temporary silence as some kind of \"victory\".", "That’s brutal guy. I genuinely wish you the best of luck to you and your family. \n\nHope you can find another GOOD job before that severance ends. Prayers.", "\"the last time i did it i cried\". if this is the second time one of his companies had a mass layoff maybe he should quit being a ceo. such an effer.", "Are you fucking this CEO?\n\nWhat do you get out of being such a sycophant?", "Wow good for you. Stealing a comment off of the YouTube video to claim some karma points", "Alright calm down bud, I just wanted to get an opinion on what the better way to do this was\n\nEdit: After 6 hours I claim victory", "Idk other than making it about himself that he cried it wasn’t that bad. I think he said all the right things and at least tried to be nice about it. Getting fired sucks but it happens. I don’t think this is that bad honestly", "They are de-centralized, for the most part: reps WFH.\n\nZoom is the medium ;)", "“You are part of the unlucky group” haha horrible wording", "This sounds like the exact speech George Clooney gives in Up In The Air", "I worked at a company that did this. They were supposed to tell those of us who were being let go before the meeting but just didn't get around to it. Some of the people attending the zoom meeting were in the office. One guy got up and started throwing furniture and had to be escorted out by security. It was surprised Pikachu faces from everyone in charge of that catastrophe. \n\nIt was a small SEO firm who decided to lay off all their writers and move entirely to freelancers. They tried to frame it as a good thing - we could be our own bosses now and wouldn't have to worry about pesky things like taxes or benefits coming out of our paychecks anymore! It was the most mind boggling thing I've ever seen. \n\nOne of the HR people turned in her notice and went drinking with the laid off employees and told them that one of the two owners emptied the company's bank account and moved to Europe and the company was scrambling for cash. They almost missed a payment for health benefits, nearly costing every employee their benefits. She said the place was a sinking ship.", "\"Sal is the unlucky loser, so now he has to tell 30,000 angry steel mill workers they are going to have to look for another job.\"", "that is actually hilarious. dumbasses", "Sounds like management was pretty bad if they couldn't get their employees to work", "Do you think the guy who posted video might get his severance rescinded for posting?", "That “if you’re on this call… you are ……..” was amazing.\n\nLike fuck me this guy must really hate these people.", "Not seen it but it’s now on my list!", "worse dot com", "That’s the problem with that sub it’s going over to fuck over a lot of people and put them in a worst situation than when they started.", "This is guy is a sociopath. You are better off now.", "Some people love playing videos and belong off all day, and they do get paid handsomely for it. They're the lucky ones though. \n\nAs far as collecting goes, I don't that's what people mean when they say do what you love. The \"productive\" part is supposed to be implied. I also don't think people need to get paid to do what they love, I don't think most people are even asking for that. They just don't want to be doing something that sucks the life of them in an environment that sucks the life out of them, around people who suck the life out of them, while sometimes not even recognising their humanity. \n\nYou're buying a narrative that people al want to sit at home a jerk off all day and get paid 60k/yr for it. That's not true. Especially for people with degrees. \n\nOf course it would be cool to get 60k to jerk off, but if you had to do it 8/5, the majority of people would probably want to find something more fulfilling even in that situation. Don't discount a human's desire to be a productive member of society. It's not everyone, but it is most of us, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are. Not that we're in a good place, but hey, our babies don't die as much as they used to, so that's a plus.", "Worked for a company that on a round of layoffs of a particular departmen they had two conference calls setup.\n\nThis was before video calling everyone got a meeting for the same time so nobody thought to check their meetings weren't the exact same thing.\n\nAnd essentially people on one call were told the people on this call have survived a layoff. There are other coworkers on another call right now being laid off.", "Thanks for that", "Proof?", "If management can't actually measure a given employee's output and determine if they're getting their money's worth, that's a management problem. \n\n\nHow many hours I work isn't really material--what's material is how much I'm paid vs my benefit to the company. If the company is caring about how many hours I work, it's because they suck at measuring my benefit to the company.", "\"which jackass wrote this slide?\"", "Don't know. Depends on any employment agreement he signed before working there I'd guess.", "I think it would have been better if he laid out the steps the company had taken to keep layoffs as low as possible, like \"we have cancelled all bonuses this year, and upper management as well as myself will be taking a 25% pay cut. furthermore we are liquidating a number of assets to raise capital to help those who will be transitioning away from us.\"\n\nthen, if he apologized for not being prepared for a market downshift like he should have been, and instead of addressing his own feelings, he could address the feelings of those being laid off. \"I know most if not all of you will feel hurt and betrayed by this, you gave us your all and we let you down. your feelings are valid and I wish it had never come to this.\" leave out your own story of having to do this before and how hard it is, etc. you will be fine and have the much better end of this stick, validate those you are letting go and leave your own hype for the business meetings.", "I don’t get how the mortgage can be sold after the fact to another institution that can then arbitrarily add additional fees or fines without any sort of approval from the person that got the loan in the first place.", "Don’t forget arm (chip designer being purchased by nVidia) and Sprint.", ">Okay, but those $750 million could come with a ton of contingencies, such as laying off these people.\n\nI think that's worse? Company agreeing to lay people off in exchange for investment? Yeah, that's worse.", "Its very telling how you refer to Warehouse worker jobs as unskilled labor. People who think certain labor is \"unskilled\" are just plain ignorant. These people are operating heavy machinery daily, all while facing unreasonable quotas that force them to forgo bathroom breaks.", "If I ever get off, I want you to do it.", "except he is laying them off as part of gaining more funding. Classic rich screwing over the poor yet again", "Someday the garbage people of the world are going to build up so much that there'll be nowhere for people like this to hide from them.\n\nHuman trash peeking over the bottom edges of their windows, and no matter how many stories they build, it just keeps rising.", "They’re going to get fired somehow. Might as well make it as painless as possible for the person getting fired.", "I still work for a company that furloughed me in 2020. They rehired me a few months later, but our business is based on serving local brick and mortar outlets that were ubiquitously closed by the pandemic, and in the moment, we were hemorrhaging money. The CEO had just been fired and the interim one had to furlough several hundred people in a Zoom call. What you’re describing could have been my own experience and I had no hard feelings at the time.", "Anyone see Joshua's YT comment on that video, CEO pay raised 300k -> 1mil in addition to a bonus. That is infuriating.", "Devil's advocate here- but we'd likely have experienced several 9/11s since then too if we just let terrorists multiply unchecked", "You have every right to enter a mortgage agreement with a lender that prohibits them from selling the loan (or the servicing agreement). The problem for you is, those lenders aren’t offering terms as competitive as the ones you got with the option for the bank to trade the loan. \n\nIf it was really that much of a concern for you, why didn’t you do that? You decided to take the less expensive route so I don’t really see how you can complain.", "Doing it right before Christmas immediately after securing $750b in funding is monumentally shitty.", "Better is a mortgage company. Much like CashCall and Owning, Better charges borrowers zero to do a mortgage. While this system is a win for the borrowers, layoffs are common and frequency is pretty regular. You can earn about 100% more than at a traditional lender between the signing bonus, higher pay, bonus and lots of OT but it rarely lasts >3 years. I played this game as an UW with Ocwen, Greentree and CashCall but when we all went over to Owning after CashCall was purchased by Impac I decided to stop playing and go to a more secure traditional bank. I miss the money but a bank is more stable and they will usually loan you out to another department to keep a bank trained error free UW if businesses within one division slows down. And it's usually a low skill temp role at the same UW pay scale, so a little mental vacation. People are buying and refinancing still so at least they'll be able to find new employment.", "What are your opinions on Rocket?", "Lol. Very insulting. This guy is an idiot thinking that this was the way to go. There's got to be a better way.\n\nLook at this: \"He Threatened to Burn His Business Partner Alive. Now He’s a Billionaire.\" - https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire", "Case in point the video that got posted about the guy having his life's savings confiscated in a traffic stop, nobody stopped to think what a moron the guy was for toting around his life's savings in a backpack.", "To be fair he admitted he's only done it once before. How many times are you perfect at something the second time you try?\n\nHe's a human being too", "Companies love dropping this kind of news during the holidays.", "It does?!", "Or if they don’t have this investment, they continue to bleed money with no external capital and then the entire company goes under", "Who cares how much cash they have? Only people who don’t know how business actually work think cash has anything to do with profitability.", "Gave you gold for your comment on the 2000’s business book. Welcome to upper/middle management in America everybody", "Thanks for responding. Good luck and sorry this happened.", "3 months", "Imagine telling 15% of your workforce that they no longer have a job. Its not easy. Could you do it? Could you deliver that speech with confidence and elegance when you know everybody hearing you hates you right now? Doubt you'd be perfect in your delivery in those circumstances", "You're right but reddit is not going to be happy lol. It's a business, it sucks they had to lay off people but it is a business. I don't think the guy could've done it any differently where he'd be praised for how he laid off 15% of his workforce. No real way to win this one. Atleast they gave a pretty decent severance pay.", "I have zero loyalty to companies I no longer work for. Doesn’t seem like it matters though.", "I’m not angry, I’m trying to have an actual discussion because I’ve been curious about UBI. More likely you’re projecting. \n\nSo you link me a couple of articles of studies that included 125 people and 2000 people respectively in a supposed good faith argument that UBI absolutely works. Bias 101\n\nThe proof is the best example of what actually happens in a large scale macro economic scenario of sending out lots of money. Spin it however you want, but everyone is feeling the cost of that right now and will continue to do so for more years. UBI is DOA until actual economists get to actually study this more since this is the only example of income at scale.", "I'm not going to lie, I had an opportunity come up to frequently travel with per-diems, weekends where you could fly wherever you wanted as long as you flew back to where you were supposed to be come Monday, etc, and most people who opted to travel actually got paid more.\n\nIt was the best couple years of my life. When COVID hit that all stopped of course, I ended up quitting my job shortly after when I realized the job itself was mind-numbing and making me become depressed without that ability to travel anymore.", "Yeah its horrible… except for all the other systems.", "Eh it depends. Pretty much every job you have is to feed the bottom line for some rich fucks somewhere. If you like traveling and you are single it doesn't sound too bad, yeah it sucks giving people bad news but regardless they are going to be fired one way or another. \n\nI had a similar job, in regards to travel. My purpose was \"continues product improvement\" I went out and evaluated how effective a process was, or how effective a department was. If we ID'd shortfalls we helped come up with solutions with the people doing the process. Hell sometimes we went to learn what some places process was because it was so effective. There were also conference and shit we to. Sometime we were told a department or contract was flagged for termination. We were to go and evaluate what they did, their process and what would need to be handled elsewhere once they were closed. Essentially how to take their work and redistribute it. Sometimes they would send people with us to announce the termination once we were done, sometimes it was us. \n\nThose were hard. Though we learned what made it easier for everyone was to make it cold and clinical. This is what is happening, here is the process, and here are your papers. Regardless of what method we took people where going to hate us, or the person sent out. I hated that part of the job. However It wasn't our choice to take their jobs away and nothing we did could help them keep those jobs, it make it any easier. \n\nI kept that job for years. I had no home, no apartment, no relationships and I traveled for 10 or more months a year. I made decent pay, however per diem made it very good pay. I also didn't have any bills other than personal phone and any online services. I didn't have to pay for food as most of our hotel reservations let us eat from the hotel restaurant for free. Almost always good hotels. My average monthly expenses was $230, which I could have made much lower. I pocketed pretty all of that money I earned from per diem, over time(salary pay but still could qualify for overtime), and every other but of money pushed my way. I racked up insane amount of points with airlines and my credit card. I had zero debt and got to go to a lot interesting places. Even when working I usually had more than enough free time to explore the area for a portion of my stat there. \n\nWhenever I wasn't traveling for work I grabbed a trip somewhere fun and had vacation or stayed where ever my last job was sometimes. As a single guy it was a great job, yeah sometimes I had to be the bearer of bad news but I wasn't my choice for that news to exist. Do you blame the news anchor for reporting on a tragic event? No, they didn't cause it. To be clear terminations like that weren't common, but they weren't rare either. At least 2 a year, but when you are seeing 2 dozen or so places on an average year it only makes a small bit of the work. \n\nIf I was single now I would hop on the chance for that job again. It was awesome. I actually got it off pure luck submitting a resume to a throw away job listing.", "“Fuck you, Merry Christmas suckers”\n\nI had something similar happen to me at my old job, got informed 2 days before I was supposed to leave for 2 weeks of vacation with family in another state. Zero severance, paid out the 2 week PTO per bare legal minimum. The owner didn’t even have the respect to tell me himself, he left early and had the accountant notify me.\n\nI will never give any business to a company that treats people like this.", "I'm really glad that he didn't cry this time", "I hate that he tried to make it hm, how hard it is on his life to do this. Piece of shit CEO.", "Given how much work I did for them in that time, I suspect they had intended to fire me at the end of the month from the outset. I think it was probably just a big month for them and they needed a lot of content quickly, but didn't want to pay freelance rates-I could've charged 3 or 4 times my hourly employee rate as a freelancer.", "More like NotBetter.biz #amiright?", "Ah, good old MBS (mortgage backed securities). \n\nI spent 5 years underwriting mortgage modifications and some of those loans...yeah. It was when I was with Wells Fargo. There's a reason Wells Fargo Financial was closed down and it was because they were making shit loans, lying on applications, and literally changing terms and rates and payments so that when the borrowers went to sign the documents and went \"...um, this isn't right!\" they would just say \"sign now or you don't get your house.\" It was a mess. \n\nThere aren't really any 100% loans anymore. Unless you get a VA loan and you are a veteran or active duty military--they get an \"eligibility\" amount that kind of works as a down payment but it's all on paper. The only other way is USDA and those loans have income limits and are meant to help low income people and families get into homes. There's a lot of hoops. \n\nYou can, however, get a 97% LTV conventional loan, aka, you bring in 3% to close. Yes, you pay 35% mortgage insurance, but, 3%. And of course FHA is 3.5% down payment, with their monthly mortgage insurance as well. FHA used to be 3%, but when the 2008 crash hit, EVERYONE was like \"oh shit, FHA is only 3%, let's do it!\". Which freaked FHA out and they said \"whoa now, hold your horses. It's 3.5% now and we're increasing the up front mortgage premium to 1.75%.\" \n\nI remember this builder that used Wells Fargo as an exclusive lender (oh they were awful) and when the crash hit, a lot of deals were tanking. So, thanks to them and a lot of other builders, the Nehiamiah program and other down payment assistance programs were taken away. This was done because sellers were allowed to contribute up to 6% of the down payment and closing costs via a DPA. Well, the builders were GIVING the down payment to the borrowers so they could buy the home. and they would ADVERTISE this. All of us underwriters were like \"WTF are they doing? This has to be illegal.\" Well, it was bad enough that they had to quickly get a bill passed. Ruined it for so many people. \n\nIt was a shit show for a while and it started in late-ish 2007. We started seeing appraisals come back with low values and then the values got lower and lower. Obviously purchases were the hardest hit--refis could make it so long as they weren't trying to go full LTV.", "Not all, just the cheap/shitty ones.\n\nOf the 4 mortgages I’ve had in the last 20 years or so 2 were sold within 3-6 months to Fannie/Freddie (which was disclosed ahead of time, and servicing was retained with the company I worked with in the first place, the most recent of which which we have in writing can’t be sold unless they go out of business) and 2 were retained by the bank I originated with for 7 years (until I refinanced it) and 9 years (until I sold and paid off).", "Work less if you want to work less that has nothing to do with the message there. The problem is that they are motivated on the subreddit yet in real life they aren’t proactive. \n\nYour example about company loyalty is a perfect example. It’s bullshit we both agree yet some people still pretend it’s a thing and get upset when they get fucked over.", "Where do you get this “usually” people know they’re being laid off from? I’ve seen multiple layoffs and they don’t usually go around advertising it to their employees.", "It was awful. It was my first time growing a business to the point of that kind of interest. Then they dangle that money in front of you and you're like, oh wow, we can really expand or do all these other things we couldn't do since we had to boot strap. It was terrible.\n\nFrom here on, no equity partners. If you want in, you'll buy me out. Otherwise thank you but no thanks.", "I've been in all hands on deck meetings I've worked remotely now for two years....this is the most awful way of handling it. No one else has cameras on he could see no one. He was as emotional as a brick. His actions are about protecting his pay not his staff.\n\nI've been in important calls with work our bosses do the dignity to talk to us with cameras on, we are allowed to ask questions and when redundancy came about for some it was a complex process were staff were given an opertunity to voluntarily leave or compete for positions via interview and evaluations..... This was cut throat and a clear dumping of staff he didn't even give them the dignity to adress any or offer to give them recommendations for other applications..... If you genuinely think this is OK the. Bloody hell I never want to work for you...", "It does say that… Florida here too", "Without knowing the backstory of this guy or the business, I think the most egregious thing here is drawing it out. Like, you know what he's building to but it should not take that long to get to it. Not when you're dealing with peoples' livelihoods here. \n\nJust say it. \"I scheduled this call to let you guys know that we will be laying you off...\" or something to that effect. It sounds heartless but in the end, the straightforwardness of it is much better than toying with their emotions or feigning empathy for the situation. \n\nIt's fine to show some remorse but don't drag it out due to showing that remorse at the start of the call because I guarantee you no employee gives two shits how difficult this is for you or how you hate that you have to do this.\n\nI'll also add that a firing or a layoff should almost never come as a surprise. Obvious there are exceptions but if this is the first an employee is hearing about hints of a layoff, you've probably failed as a manager. Blindsiding employees with this is just poor leadership because most the time, the company will know well in advance it's going to need to restructure or make some cuts.", "The mortgage business is notoriously slow in December. Not a whole lot of people want to buy a home and move during the holidays. I know I wouldn't. It's usually slow from December through January, maybe through February. They should have waited until the 1st of the year instead of this dick move.", "Do you make minimum wage? Genuine question as you must be retarded to not be able to grasp reality. Laying off workers sometimes is needed whether the company can no longer afford them or for their growth. Why would others lose their job by “walking out” just because of that lmao? Are you just stupid?", "Lmao it’s an actual term. It is unskilled labor because anyone can replace them immediately. The guy driving a forklift that requires training and certification is the one that is skilled labor.", "I like how nobody was talking about socialism and you _still_ had to go \"aKcHuAlLy SoCiAlIsM iS wOrSe\"", "If I ever get laid, I want you to do it", "Really? And they sold your loan?", "Are u ok", "Worse dot com", "In other words: \"Fuck the poor!\"", "What a sad sack of shit - the way he delivered that message. I’m not saying it’s easy, but that was pathetic. Zero empathy, he made it about himself as much as his audience. And do they really not have enough corporate structure where a direct manager can schedule individual calls and deliver the news with some sense of humanity and personal connection? \n\nAnd how does this ass hat end up running such a large business??\n\nOP - if this was your video then I’m really sorry to hear what you’re going through and how rough the next few weeks will probably be for you. The job market is growing though and when you land something new, at least this experience will mean you’re not working for that asshole anymore.", "A term used by those who want to pretend like they're better than others.", "\"shut\"?", "https://t.me/joinchat/Y_vJIri-d5RmYzNi", "First time hearing of better.com", "A comment under the video mentions after this call he increased his salary from $300k to $1M and gave himself a $25M bonus in July.", "My mortgage sold 3 times before my 1st payment was due last year.", "I just refinanced my house. I wish I would have done it earlier but I still locked in a lower rate than I was paying (about 3%).", "Look business decisions are hard, I get that, but right before the holidays is brutal. If you are forced to make this decision you should have been able to 1) plan to make it after the holidays and 2) give people more time to find another position. 2 months minimum, 3 would be better. \n\nI work for a company that had to deal with Covid furloughs, and I have to say they handled it as gracefully as anyone could- the CEO took a half pay cut to make sure store employees had medical coverage for 3 months, an additional two weeks pay and a 100% bonus after reopening.", "Their other job(s). Or meth.", "If a company is doing so poorly due to the market changes shouldn't he be the one resigning and giving up his giant salary in lieu of laying off giant portions of the people who actually do make the company money", "That was anxiety-provoking and I don't even work there lol", "4weeks severance & 3 months health insurance is pretty good. I mean at least he spoke to them directly instead of sending an email. I’ve been laid off; I respect how he talked directly to them.", "Women’s rights is fine and accepted. Radical feminism is most definitely discriminatory against men. They didn’t control it as it evolved like you mentioned.", "I'd like Ricky Gervais impersonate him with his egomaniac smile.", "It's an exposé, so", "this is exactly the use case unemployment insurance was designed for", "\"If you're on this call, you are part of the unlucky group that is being laid off.\"\n\n\\Bob has disconnected\\\n\n\\Jane has disconnected\\\n\n\\Joe has disconnected\\\n\n&#x200B;\n\n...\n\n&#x200B;\n\nWe were never here!", "I know what it's like being laid off from a company that's not doing so well financially. About half a year after our site was shut down the company went out of business (it was inevitable).\n\nWhat I don't understand here is the anger, as well as people cheering this guy on for being angry at his employer. Yes, it's emotional and tough to hear, but the guy doesn't owe his employees anything. They are working at his company. What's with the retaliatory mindset against people as soon as something goes wrong in your life?\n\nI just don't get it.", "More like worse.com am I right", ">Amazon is often paying less than half the going rate for the same jobs\n\nThat really is just not even close to true though. That's the issue with this narrative you're pushing. Are you talking about warehouse workers or drivers, or software developers etc.? What positions are you talking about explicitly so we can shine some actual light on this narrative?", "> I don’t think they intended it to be a joke but man was it classless.\n\nOh, it had a class, alright...", ">Majority of reddit did\n\nI know for a fact that this isn't true.", "What an asshole", "The last time I did this.....I cried.\n\nThe market.....is bad.\n\nWe have decided.....\n\nTo lay off.....\n\n15%....\n\nof the company.\n\nIf you.....are in this call......\n\n......\n\nYou.....\n\nAre.... \n\nNOT BEING TERMINATED airhorn sounds; dubstep drops\n\nDue fucking does this like some bullshit reality TV like American Idol or some shit.\n\nI'd even prefer the Dale Gribble approach to this: https://youtu.be/Y7WiGmr6Olg", "What I want to see is the rate of layoffs at the end of November and start of January for the company OP is talking about.", "That’s irrelevant. The argument for the funding could have been reducing costs by eliminating low skilled, poor performing workers to remove dumb bureaucracy and obsolete functions. The funding is an investment in the company to make good decisions about creating value. \n\nA valid criticism would be this asshole making millions this year and not spending any of it to float these people through the next 4 weeks. That’s what I would do. But I would never end up with millions in spare income because to me it is immoral to have that much wealth.", "huh, i guess personal preference. i thought the way he gave this message actually conveyed his regret and seemed very sincere. your message sounds to me like \"hi you're fired tough luck gfy\" and would actually make me very angry.", "K", "All CEOs rot in hell", "Wow screw this guy", "they were just illustrating the fact that it could, in fact, have been worse. no one said it was good.", "Call that worse.com", "It’s his sick time, fuck you", "To be fair, doesn’t this company pride itself on handling emotional situations over zoom? I see this as aligned with company values.", "> but if it’s bad for us to say, it’s many times worse to hear\n\nWhich is why fishing for sympathy by mentioning how hard it is for you as the manager like the guy in the video (\"I cried last time\" whaaat) is some seriously cringey, narcissistic, out of touch BS.", "I do but you lack the answers.", "Better reported an $86M loss in Q2. They’ve since received a capital infusion, which was likely contingent on restructuring.", "That's how most businesses operate. Hell, if the company is big enough the news will even cover it. Most white collar and a lot of blue collar companies warn their people. Shitty companies don't. Did service is notorious for zero warning. Show up one day and the doors are chained shut with a note on the door \"final checks will be mailed\".", "Don’t get mad bro it’s just how real life works. Don’t be mad.", "Depends on the field and if pay is regulated or not. In my field (software engineering) salaries go up by an average of 3% per year where I live, mind you: that's the average for people who stay at the same employer.\n\nSwitching jobs ever 2 to 3 years (to keep it sane) can allow you to increase your salary by an AVERAGE of 8% per year over time.\n\n- start at $2500 + 0,03% per year for 20 years = $4,515 per month\n- start at $2500 + 0,08% per year for 20 years = $11,652 per month\n\nI've seen this happen countless times. Loyal employees starting from intern and staying as a senior, they might have switched jobs once and might have gotten a nicer boost here and there. Most of those guys make 60,000 per year and in their region, that's okay. It's not good, but it's okay.\n\nMeanwhile, I'm making over 140,000 per year. Which is outrageously good for my area of the planet, but I learned to negotiate good salaries, my profile is more interesting to employers, etc.\n\n---\n\nEdit: And if salary doesn't matter to you but a comfortable job that you know very well, that's perfectly fine, too. Money isn't the only form of payment. Not everyone wants to do job applications regularly.", "I feel like dolphins are pretty smart? strange analogy.", "I worked for a place where the \"downsizing\" of the company was codenamed SKYNET. That is some fucked up shit.", "I’m not buying into any narrative, I just wanted to clarify where we’re coming from here. \n\nIf we’re talking about a universal basic income situation, that seems feasible to me. I agree that people shouldn’t be a slave to their jobs and should have some flexibility and freedom to explore their options in life.", "Or instead of the leader being shitty and laying people off they could be like Nintendo President Satoru Iwata and cut their pay so that people didn't have to get laid off. But nope greedy. Need to maintain their lifestyles. Fuck you not me. Firing people I understand but the business is failing due to YOUR leadership. So YOU should bear the brunt not your employees. Vishal Garg is a billionare.", "A lot of Ops. Not underwriting because the purchase market is still hot as hell it was all on the refi side. Also a lot of training people were let go for the previously stated reasons.", "Bad", "I agree with that sentiment 100%. \n\nBut basic income and being paid handsomely are two different things.", "no fucking wayyyyyy lmaooooooooooooooo", "FYI, but they're in a burn configuration at the moment, meaning they have a burn rate, or a typical amount of money they're blowing through while operating and not actually making any money. They just secured 750 million dollars of venture capital and these types of transactions come with stipulations. \n\nThose stipulations by investors almost always come with staff cutting. \n\nJust so you know.", "Better generally offered the lowest rates in the industry is how.", "God kid, you belong on r/antiwork. I feel bad for any team you’ve ever been on, your coworkers must’ve had to pick up the slack for you all the time.", "Is that what is happening? Are they suddenly losing money right before they get a massive cash infusion and go public?\n\nI’m sure they would never dream of writing down some long term debt ahead of those events, to take a one time loss. Why would they want to show massive turn around right after offering shares they hold options on to the public? Crazy I tell ya!\n\nI’m sure Softbank was thinking, “hey these guys are losing a lot of money let’s give them a bunch of ours to lose!”", "All these companies are generally the same and pretty terrible. I've dealt with Quicken and USAA on loans and both companies were terrible to work with because you end up calling a 1-800 number and giving them a reference number and then someone who isn't familiar with the client or the transaction has to get up to speed and let you know what's happening with it. There is a Mortgage Loan Officer on the case but their job more or less stops when the sale is made and then the transaction is handed over to the processing department. \n\nYou're far better off going with a local mortgage broker as they will give you better service and a better price on the loan. Places like better.com, Quicken, etc. spend a boat loan on marketing, spend the minimum amount possible on labor, and then don't bother really competing on price because they're just trying to convert high volume numbers.\n\nClients assume that a place like better.com will be \"better\" because of efficiency and tech but the reality is the lender I use has a website from 2006, works out of her home office, and will answer the phone at 9pm on a Saturday and is cheaper than anyone around because her expenses are minuscule.", "I can’t say much about employment within the industry, but my experience closing a Rocket Mortgage loan as a purchaser’s attorney was an eye-opener. Any sentient beings, including my clients, knew that the modern way to get a mortgage loan was with a heavily advertised cellphone app powered by TransUnion, LexisNexis and Zillow to punch in some numbers without talking to a human, like ordering DoorDash, and bam, some bank wants to lend you $575,000.\n\nSo, we’re good and it’s time to close. Lawyers for Rocket are in Rochester, five hours drive on the New York Thruway from parties’ lawyers offices in Saratoga Springs. No problem, they will “send a closer” to the closing. Great. Advise them of the place of closing. Morning of closing, everyone sitting at closing, no closer. \n\nThen a call from this pissed-off person who was locally hired as a “notary closer” (for a hundred bucks) to witness all the banks paperwork being signed and bring down the checks for the closing as per our list. She’s 15 minutes away at my old office location, which she found on Google, wasn’t told where the closing was and assumed my old office. So she won’t come. Call Rocket Mortgage law firm, after a lot of explaining and handwringing, they agree to fax all papers to be signed and wire transfer the mortgage proceeds to sellers’ attorneys escrow account. This took all day(lots of faxing, takes several hours to confirm wire, etc.) and none of the three attorneys involved who had to stick around until all this was done were happy.\n\nTl;dr Rocket has a snazzy lending app, backend closing capabilities are ludicrous in practice, nowhere near standard industry quality (there are law firms and closing companies which do this assembly line style all day in several conference rooms. Many people who have mortgages close residential loans at these kinds of places).", "Reminds me a lot of the scene from Moneyball where [Brad Pitt's character teaches Jonah Hill's character how to cut a player from their team](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTjhHrcyiQI).", "NP, take it sleezy", "52% of Reddit users aren't from the US. \n\nhttps://backlinko.com/reddit-users", "If you come up with a third option that is viable while ignoring the negatives of capitalism and having nothing to do with socialism, please enlighten us", "I'm not sure if this is better or worse than the alternative.\n\nI feel like being pulled into an office and told to get fucked isn't good either.", "There are definitely far shittier ways to do it, and no great alternative. It feels bad no matter what and it always will. I’ve been through way to many rounds of layoffs. Most were at a single company.\n\nThe first one they announced a meeting for the next morning that was manditory. That sparked 12 hours of rumors. The next day they announced it at the meeting and told everyone to go back to their desk and their manager would come grab them if they were being laid off. It was an open office format, so we all just had to sit there and watch the death walks for about 2 hours. Then we were all sent home. This is probably the shittiest I’ve seen but the ones afterwards still felt as bad, even if they were better. \n\nI see a video like this and I wish all the pervious ones I went through were like it.", "How else is going to said his second summer home and third yacht unless he cuts costs!", "> The first slide said-Your legacy will live on!\n> \n> Next slide-Just not here.\n\nI'm not gonna lie I'd chuckle and be a little impressed with the balls these guys had. I'm already laid off and not like being angry is going to change anything.", "didn't research into workplace violence, such as the infamous \"going postal\" incident, show that being indirect and dragging it out like this guy did lead to more hostility?", "I sympathize with people being laid off, it sucks, but in this job market chances are you could make more at another company anyway", "Agreed. Roughly 15 % of the population is below average in Intelligence, and pretty much any metric. With a large enough population that’s just a normalized distribution.", "At least with Rocket, no matter who buys out my mortgage, Rocket remains my point of contact for payment and customer service. Saves me a lot of grief.", "We were using Nationwide lending at the time. They were pretty above board, for as above board as you could be in the subprime market, and I liked dealing with them. I was selling conversion condos in an up and coming area for 100k per. 800 Sqft apartments that I was selling as \"condos\". People were jumping at the chance to buy that low in that area. I couldn't fucking believe it. Those idiots. I warned a lot of my clients about subprime. I warned them about their 100% loans and what an ARM actually was, and every last one ignored me because \"OMG I like, totally *NEED* to overpay for this tiny ass apartment!\" Whatever bro. You paid my bills in the process. Fuck were those lenders predatory, though.", "Saying there is worse treatment to be had is the same as saying Better.com could have treated their employees worse. Literally doesn't change what they actually did. It's still very bad for those employees who were laid off.\n\n\"Could have been worse\" and \"I got fired with no severance (from a different job)\" muddy the water and don't give anywhere near the extensive background this controversial company deserves.\n\nhttps://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2020/11/20/mortgages-fraud-claims-and-dumb-dolphins-a-tangled-past-haunts-bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg/?sh=46317ffe10f4", "Not just that, banks were basically taking bets on them failing through credit default swaps. Not entirely accurate, but when you've basically knowingly given yourself shit odds on something you're supposed to mildly profit off because you're ensuring you have to capital to front for a few failing... yeah you're gonna have a bad time", "Facts don't matter to idiots on this sub", "He was saying \"only the dumb dolphins get caught in the net\"\n\nStill stupid, but there you go.", "Agreed, the mode was necessary and pragmatic. It’s this severance that is totally shit. One month pay, three months health? Basic decency (and probably congress) should dictate that severance should at least correlate to the average time it takes for one to find another job.", "So the towns OC is referring to, this is the only employer in town that provides a compensation plan that can maintain a middle class income and often the backbone of the town. Moment that employer is gone, that entire town is dead. Its very unlikely an equivalent employer will replace it. Many times that manufacturer was in the town first or was placed there because of tax/cheap reasons. Theres actually no economic value to the area.", "yes because we did such a great job of stomping out the taliban and have engendered such wonderful good will amongst the public in the middle east with our invasions and drone strikes that never again will terroists ever strike again thanks to the heroic war that America started. It's not like ISIL was partially created because of our meddling or anything, not at all.", "It's easier to slack off in an office. 100%. WfH workers HAVE to produce. Half the people in offices just show up and look busy.", "Title is an oxymoron lol", "He made it about himself by saying that he was crying the last time etc. no one cares!", "That's where they have little people sit on the railing and take a dump on you.\n\n(End weekend update voice)", "I mean…I’d suck his dick first, obviously…but otherwise I agree", ">\tI’m not angry, I’m trying to have an actual discussion because I’ve been curious about UBI. More likely you’re projecting.\n\nAnd yet, you were the one who brought up emotions first, interesting.... 🤔 \n\n>\tSo you link me a couple of articles of studies that included 125 people and 2000 people respectively in a supposed good faith argument that UBI absolutely works. Bias 101 \n\nAnd you haven't linked me one study that says it doesn't. Bias 101. You literally just said you've \"been curious\" about it, go look it up, I already gave you some places to get started. But you won't, because you know that you'll find I'm right. \n\n>\tSpin it however you want, but everyone is feeling the cost of that right now and will continue to do so for more years. \n\nYou keep talking about this nebulous \"feeling\" of \"costs\" that everybody seems to be feeling, but you can't seem to define it or provide any proof of it.", "Dude, this is beyond common in the mortgage industry. Mass hiring when it's booming, and layoffs when it's not. \n\nMy company has had three rounds of layoffs since this spring. And we're a \"family/team/garbage\"\n\nSo my dude I dunno what you did or what you do. But once you haveprtgge industry experience, no matter how small, that door is open. Check your local banks and credit unions for openings.", "I mean sure, but laying of 15% of staff isn't a sign of booming growth.", "In the 80s the got the guy from HR to sack everyone and take all the shit . Then management sacked him", "Lol, obviously industries change or culture is bad and sometimes there’s nothing higher ups can really do.\n\nBut most times the reason for layoffs is directly relating to the higher ups fucking up or making bad decisions. Most lower level people don’t enough responsibility to cause layoffs, whereas the people running it almost always do. But they’ll never blame themselves or even suggest things could have gone different, and everything they say in these situations is gonna be BS.", "Yep my good friend is literally ON ACTIVE DUTY ORDERS and was part of the layoff she didn’t even find out over zoom she found out over voicemail because she works in a classified area with no electronic devices at all.", "Doesn't this violate the WARN act? I thought group layoffs required 60 days notice...", "They’re mostly teenagers or young adults. Of course they aren’t.", "Firing is difficult. I’ve done it before and was brief similar to this. It wasn’t a performance as metric-wise, but because they kept majorly fucking up. I just said they weren’t a good fit for the role after several attempts trying to give them better support structure (edit: for the record, the last straw was when I asked them to move files using robocopy to a different server and they ended up deleting everything instead). I’m definitely downed a few beers after that conversation.\n\nLaying people off is even harder, because they did nothing wrong. I felt like such a piece of shit and I had zero control over the situation.", "It's not a sub about not working, the values of it are promoting sane workplace culture by not being screwed over and not working dramatically beyond your worth to the company. Basically if I'm getting paid 10 bucks an hour, but adding 150/hour in value to the company directly, that's fucked and they are taking advantage. And if I have to go to a funeral or on vacation or something, I'm going, not asking for the time off.\n\nFor too long, the working class has been getting screwed by the upper crust and they are organizing there to vent and promote strategies to take their lives back. Very few of the users there think they should be able to sit on their ass and collect. They just want to be properly compensated with an actual competitive salary/benefits package/other perks, and have a realistic shot at success in life, which these days is unreasonably hard to pull off due to the way the system is set up.", "But what a brutal death for the animal. I used to be against using guns to hunt, always seemed unfair, but the quick death of a bullet compared to other methods that are messier and less accurate just seems far crueler.", "At NASA they would just call everybody out into the parking lot. Some program manager would get up there with a bullhorn and it would go something like this.\n\n\"Everybody has been laid off. Please hand in your credentials and then proceed directly to your vehicles and leave the property immediately. Do not re-enter the building. Thank you and have a good day.\"", "You can be annoyed with the “Reddit losers” but why you gotta talk down on the 15% of people at this company that just lost their job?", "Lol you hear better.com sucks and then SoftBank invested 😂", "tbh, idk if it would make it easier if an exec was doing the SouthPark Comcast nipple rub thing while they were laying you off or not.\n \nAt least it would be a clear \"fuck you\" to that guy vs having to juggle the gravity of the immediate situation alongside the severance of all those emotional relationships you developed with your peers.", "Then move", "Hi, when rates go down, refinances boom, when they go up, they slow down.\n\n\nCovid caused rates to be the lowest I have ever seen them in 10 years. \n\nSo, mass hiring, people offering $30k signing bonuses to underwriters, etc. Just to get through the business.\nThen rates went up, and the boom dried up VERY quickly. \n\nWell...if you don't have the movement, you don't need the staff for it\n\nAlso, pricing has gotten complicated. So..while a company could make $5000 on each loan a year ago, now it's at $500, therefore quality becomes a massive issue. \n\nIt's the industry. This is the mortgage industry. This is the norm. \n\n\nThat being said my heart goes out to you.", "In the future all things will be rented and you will like it", "Anyone's spouse can be killed in a car accident at any time. Don't take it so hard, stop acting like a baby.", "He's an asshole for trying to extract sympathy from the same people he's taking jobs and financial security away from. Saying this has been a hard decision was probably OK, but not a word should have been said about his own emotions.", "Jeez, this doesn't feel real", "When you get into your 150k car, you really need to make it about how you feel.\n\nNot the hundreds schlubs yout just fired.\n\n\nIt will be okay once your back with the handful of other's that make ridiculously huge executive salaries. Then you can all talk about how sad you are on the golf course.", "Bingo", "This is the norm of the mortgage industry. Rarely does a lender, service their own loans.", "Yo Better, 2008 called they want their line back.", "You kinda do though. Literally millions of immigrants manage to do it so white trash can get off their asses and do it too.\n\nEdit: https://i.imgur.com/CVVhe9k.jpg", "Couldn't agree with you more.", "He sent a video to a list of employees. How is that talking to them directly? Normally how this is handled is your manager meets with you face to face.", "After watching The Office in high school, one of the more disturbing parts of adulthood was realizing people you have to work with are just as incompetent as the characters on the show.", "Trump rolled back some dodd-frank regulations, be prepared for another 2008...but...rates can't go any lower...more money can't be printed.", "What you supposed to do tho? Not like they intentionally want to fire ppl or not pay workers due to lack of revenue…. It’s just how businesses work. Big and small.", "I agree with that. I also stand by my comment that the White House and the media are not telling the truth about the economy.", "They do have better standards for giving out mortgages now, but agreed it never stopped and I’m sure the messaging was designed for people to think it did. Both mortgages Ive gotten were sold right away. Luckily not to a shitty servicer though.\n\nPeople have said on Reddit they were commonly approved for a rent $ amount much higher than they were approved for a mortgage. Also PMI is required on a mortgage now without enough equity, so a PMI provider gets unlimited, mandated business. There are better mortgage standards now but there were zero standards in the 2000s. Clearly with the PMI requirement they still don’t trust lenders to give out good loans, which just adds cost to already expensive homes for buyers.", "I mean, just because you can slack off in the office doesn't mean it isn't easier to slack off at home.", ">Are they suddenly losing money right before they get a massive cash infusion and go public?\n\nThe reason they're getting a cash infusion IS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOSING MONEY.", "The literal first sentence of the subreddit says this is a sub about ending work…..?", "Same plot as always. Last time folks were incentived to just hand out loans to people who couldn't pay them, and then act surprised when they couldn't pay them. These days the idea is don't hand out loans to people you know can't pay them back", "In an logical world, the car only need to have a lower body count than a human. Plenty of human drivers have reacted to situations like that killing more people than were initially in danger. If the total fatality/injury rate went down, would it matter?\n\nIn the real world we'll wait until driverless cars are 100-1000x safer before we start to switch, in the meantime thousands will die, but at least we'll feel like we're more in control.", "But what you described is exactly why he’s a piece of shit. He should know as CEO that these cycles happen. It’s common-fucking-sense. Every successful financial organization like Wells Fargo and Vanguard have cash reserves for when economy slows down so they can survive it. He’s just an ignorant selfish asshat.", "Why are we even surprised? This is capitalism. Laying-off is a crucial part of its. This is not a charity.", "You said \n\n>You guys voted for Joe biden who is killing the economy and then get mad at companies for being forced to lay off workers? Big reddit moment lmfao\n\nIn response to my comment when most likely the person you are replying to did not vote for Biden.", "Either way you had to have blinders on to now know something was amiss.", "Worser.com. just had to.", "Free markets trend towards monopolies. Established players have initial advantage.", "imagine unironically hating the poor", "I has a friend that got laid off by this douche. He's a really POS and treats employees like shit", "Girl, we couldn't get much better...", "It took me a while to realize that what makes a company (or society) work or not are systems, not people. Humans are really good at imagining potential issues and finding workaround. They are really bad at applying the fix consistently.", "I think cycle is a really inaccurate way of describing it. It's a change in the trend of the industry as a whole. Also, I GUARANTEE Wells and every other large refinancer has layoffs coming. [Better.com](https://Better.com) may be one of the first but definitely not the last. \n\n\nAlso, I never said the CEO wasn't a piece of shit. I just said that the action taken was the right decision. I still think he's a garbage person.", "> They were planning on going public and wanted to fluff their numbers up to look better with the number of active loans they had on the books. ... The worst part about this is that after laying off the staff, he gave himself like a $20,000,000 bonus.\n\nThis should also be a heads up to anyone who is offered equity in a company when they're made a job offer. I used to hear all the time that the workers are shareholders. This is incorrect, you have an option to buy X amount of shares at a later date with the hope that the company goes public while you're there and you \"fully vest\". The people who had equity that were laid off were told \"you accrued X amount of shares for the amount of days you were here at X amount each, and have X amount of days to buy them\". \n\nIf the company is going public soon these people will likely make money, and a month's severance is generous - but keep in mind being offered equity in a private company is really just a made up number unless the company is willing to go over their books with you (hint: they won't).\n\nI got laid off right at the start of Covid. I made more money from the stimulus and Covid relief than I would have had I bought my shares. Hell, I made more taking the amount that my shares would have cost and buying the dip during the spring of '20.", "Socialism is the only system where People would ever get paid to do jobs that aren’t valued. What other system supposedly prioritized the workers? \n\nThe context is important. But please go ahead and tell us what other system would pay people just for the sake of them maintaining a job?", "First time hearing about capitalism? This is a normal day in capitalism.", "The comment is in past tense for a reason", "That's disgusting some people are shaming the person filming for his reaction who wouldn't be upset at getting let go , only nutters are happy getting fired or if it's a really shit job .", "I did move thats why I said worked. Not work at", "I spent a decade in the finance market. It’s very cyclical and fairly predictable. It’s never steady and never has been.\n\nEdit; to be specific, you always know there are market thresholds. Once those thresholds are met, there’s an over correction. It’s not cyclical in the sense of “summer will always be good and fall will always be bad”, which is usually true in itself for this specific industry.", "It sucks, yes. But I have absolutely no problem terminating someone for cause.", "Nah they werent idiots. I left years back so things may have changed", "Yeah- not all layoffs are about corporate profits and shitty executives, sometimes they just have to happen. How they're handled makes a _huge_ difference too.\n\nLuckily (ha!) this this company had _lots_ of experience, since they had spent a decade in a rapidly shrinking market. The event I'm referencing was just the largest and most dramatic, it was also telegraphed at least 6 months in advance and not a surprise.", "If I ever get to do it, I want you to do it", "Not much. We worked like 60 hours a week. Not much vacation. Many had kids and drank their life away", "Ok fucknut, amazing point there. \n\nLiterally millions of immigrants do what? Uproot their lives and move to entirely different countries to find work? Work as migrant workers picking fruit?", "Reading through the comments here it sure looks like better.com is a pump and dump company, and this shit-head CEO is working up to an IPO cash-out. Linkedin shows he's been there 8 years, and I suspect he's looking to \"retire\" in 2-4 years when the IPO clears up and he can liquidate his stock.\n\nTypical CEO that skipped the morals and ethics classes and gives zero shits about anyone that works under them.", "Go watch The Fifth Element and find out. I don't think you'll be disappointed.", "I did read. I agree, I would choose what I love to do if nothing else existed. I'm saying there's jobs out there that need to be done that likely nobody has as a \"love to do\" job.", "Bro go to small towns in america. It's nothing like that. The world is a bit more cold and I don't see things changing", "You're hired", "That's a recipe for getting a brick through your car.", "This some peak autism right here. They got cash because they need it to stay afloat and grow. This is a very Silicon Valley type model.", "Lol. How did you extrapolate that from what I said?", "It’s really easy to accuse someone of being a “brainless suit” and rally against corporate but if anyone ever deserved that label it would be those guys, yikes", "Yeah if that plant shuts down. That town and everyone in it is royally fucked. Thankfully they made absurd bank last year and everyone is doing well know. But I wish they created more business just in case", "Sucks but I mean why the “fuck you’s”? That’s just the way it goes. They’re not a charity.", "I'm also a software engineer. It's not the best example because of the nature of remote work, drastic salary differences by city, and how much it costs to replace an engineer. I've been with the same company for 6 years and have gotten multiple raises ranging from 10-30k just because I ask and how integral I am to the org.", "You mean like the rust belt does with immigrants and minorities?\n\nOr do you mean the actual poor like the Chinese people employed by those jobs “shipped overseas”?", "It’s not the fact that it’s a zoom call or the content here (severance is decent, especially for this industry), it’s 100% the delivery that’s cringe and makes you hate him.", "You literally just said that you need to work to survive in hyperbolic fashion.\n\nWhat the hell do you expect from the world?\n\nStifle all that makes you human? Where do you work?\n\nHow do you define fighting tooth and nail?\n\nAlso, if you're actually in a position where you feel that way with your current job, please DM me, I'd sincerely be down to help you find a better job.", "> about how something they are \"requiring\" cannot apply to this state\n\nNot sure i understand, are they not free to require whatever they want?", "yeah but your way leaves no room for the big cheese to air his feelings!", "> \n> I think that's worse? Company agreeing to lay people off in exchange for investment? Yeah, that's worse.\n\nExcept that the alternative might be that EVERYONE in the company loses their jobs.", "Get do want", "Thanks for pointing out the obvious? I’m talking about your “Sorry you can’t make it in life lmfao get fucked losers” …really? You’re kinda shitty", "Better.com is now known by 15% more of the population thanks to this 😂", "As someone who has been there, getting laid off on zoom is way better.", "I think it depends on the career and the person. I always heard it was better on a Friday cause people be crazy. Personally I would hate to be fired on a Monday after driving in", "Probably not a good idea to put yourself in a position where losing your job is the end of the world.", "The fact that you think that’s what immigrant life is like shows you have no idea what you’re talking about lol.", "Efficient? He spent the first half of the message just building up to 'hey there's bad news but I won't tell you yet what it is' and then surprising them with the \"if you're on this call\" crap sentences after saying they were cutting 15%. Break the news all at once, don't draw it out, and don't tell us how sad it makes you to fire all these people right before the holidays.\n \nThis wasn't a decision they just made this week, and they're big enough to wait until after the holidays when people would actually be able to find jobs more easily", "I think there were a lot of people who believed in \"the mission\" and also thought that we were different. It was a cold awakening to realize, nope Better is run by heartless bitches like everything else. \n\n\nI'm sure that hurt a lot.", "How else would you have him do it? \n\nThe fact that he said \"It was my decision, so I'm going to tell you\" deserved respect\n\nAn unpolished delivery from the CEO is better than some HR rep giving some fluff on his behalf", "Another thing about Rocket, at least this is how it used to be... I'm not sure if it has changed now, is that the loan officer would get paid after just getting the loan to underwriting and never answer the phone again. Basically they get you in the door and have no vested interest in getting the loan closed, so a lot of shit gets slung at the wall to see what sticks. Another thing with Rocket is that they spend so much on advertising that they aren't even really THAT competitive if you shop around. They are a marketing machine and they do close a lot of loans, but that comes at a major expense to the borrower in regards to fees and experience. If it isn't a vanilla loan, people are much better off looking elsewhere.\n\nIf things have changed, please feel free to correct me. Not out to bash a company if they have tried to fix problems they have had in the past.\n\n\nEdit: Since I brought up fees, always always ALWAYS get multiple mortgage quotes if you are shopping for a purchase or refinance loan. A law was put in place by the CFPB in 2015 that gives you 45 days to shop for a mortgage loan after the initial credit pull without it hurting your score for extra credit pulls. If a company encourages you not to shop or is being overly pushy about trying to rush you, they are likely hiding something or know they don't have great pricing at that time. Do not settle for only one quote if you are dealing with something as big as a mortgage", "lol why? For not turning the company into a charity?", "Why do so many people on Reddit have no fucking clue what capitalism is.\n\nWhat they're describing isn't exclusive to capitalism at all. \n\nYou have the freedom to associate with who you want. This would be true under other non-totalitarian economic systems as well.\n\nJesus fucking christ education in this country has a huge blind spot on economics.", "I'm a little confused.. I went to the YouTube link, looked through the comments and couldn't find anything even resembling my comment, care to enlighten me? \nI also run the [Karma Farmer list](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Gwv2z5_jZH83Anw9Hm1mOe4iquzICO-iL9zDgWEX8eY/edit?usp=sharing), and don't give a flying fuck about karma. \nI also made a similar comment [two months ago](https://i.imgur.com/ovAUYV2.png), it's something I find funny.", "So go grow some tomatoes and sell them on the side of the road", "..Why?", "I don’t know what that means. I’m not a doctor though, so how autism applies to business is outside of my realm of expertise. \n\nI do know this narrative that the reason they are getting three quarters of a billion dollar investment is because they are having trouble. \n\nIt is literally the opposite. Investors give money to companies they think will make money in the future. The give a lot of money to companies they think will make a lot of money in the future. They give zero Fs what you did before, only what there return will be.", "Yeh but did your decade cover a once in a lifetime economic package set off by a never before seen pandemic causing rates to drop to the lowest point in recorded history?\n\nI know it sounds like I am defending them because I am not. I am just saying, money was falling from the skies, they hired as many bucket holders as they could, it stopped raining and the bucket holders got fired without looking back.\n\nThis was not a cyclical thing. It was a one time event that likely will never repeat. \n\n\nI mean the low rates thing not repeating. I am sure there are still more layoffs coming in the immediate future.", "lol why is he a sociopath?", "Boot lick some more", "1 month right before the holidays? That's not decent at all.", "Why?", "Morally bankrupt dot com", "It was amazing, and thanks to them we now get stuff like regal unlimited, which is still quite the deal if you're a regular moviegoer. Just looked at last months history and I watched 8 movies, all for 18 bucks.", "That is unfortunately the exception, not the rule ;) Oftentimes employers would rather replace you for several reasons. One of the reasons being that if your colleagues get wind of your amazing raise, they would also want it. It's a potential nightmare for employers.", "Apparently this place isn't actually hurting for money, either", "If I ever off someone, I want it to be you.", "So he should just turn the company into a charity? k", "Better is a nightmare of a competitor as well. I'm a mortgage lender, and I have lost deals to Better because of how dirt cheap they are. I cannot match their terms without running in the red, and apparently that's the same problem for Better as well. \n\nI try to warn my clients, but they just can't understand the value of a hard working loan officer that will answer calls outside of 9 am to 5 pm M-F, who will push back against underwriting, or will personally meet them or do video calls to help guide someone on what to do proactively to make sure we please the underwriter. Clients just see .25% cut on interest rate and think I'm a crook for offering higher rates for better service.", "Would you prefer they get the notice the week before Christmas? \nThe timing of holidays is immaterial and they are getting severance thru Christmas: pretty decent.", "We had a 10% layoff in Nov 2020 and we had a giant all hands call with the entire exec board and those laid off who could ask questions. We also gave more severance pay (I think 3 months). That being said, I agree with your point. Usually people who get mad about this stuff aren't in the business world.", "Not as bad, but in a similar tone. I once applied to a company and their reply was “YOU GOT THE JOB - this is what we wish we could tell you, but unfortunately that’s not the case” lol", "Strong men also cry. Strong men also cry.", "Same. Had been working with this person to improve and thought everything was fine. The worst part was they were checking in regularly with me, but shirking duties with other stakeholders to hide themselves slacking. It was upsetting and disappointing and infuriating all in one. Firing them still sucked.", "> Though we learned what made it easier for everyone was to make it cold and clinical. This is what is happening, here is the process, and here are your papers.\n\nthat is exactly how that person handled it for me. He was polite but detached and frank with his responses, succinct is the word I would use to describe it. I was honestly surprised he even answered the how much he got paid question, it was as if being forthcoming and factual was his default. In a weird way, it put me at ease. I probably would have taken much longer and done regrettable things if it had not been handled by that man.", "So it’s cool for you to hate poor white people, because injustice exists in the world. You’re an angry little man. Sorry your life sucks.", "I’ve only been escorted out of interviews.", "The more things change, the more they stay the same.", "Ahem, adjusts glasses atchooally, it was Iron Man who beat Thanos.", "Strong men also cry.", "Fuck this CEO. Our CEO gave us a company poll. we could pick a company wide paycut or layoffs. Paycuts were voted by 99% of people to save the jobs of others.", "Back in June, the CEO of my former company did this, but instead it was 70% of the workforce. Oh and he didn’t have the balls to even turn his camera on. Only in America..", "Had a coworker that got laid off at Deloitte during pandemic and went to work there.\n\nReally hope he is still there.", "I actually just finished refinancing with them on Wednesday. For me it was pretty quick and easy, but I didn't need to worry about deadlines or appraisals that come with purchasing a house. I got a great rate and a ton of incentives so I ended up having negative closing costs.", "Fuck him for running a company? K", "I don’t hate anyone. I just have no sympathy for people who chose to work in industries that have been dying for over a century and then make no attempt to pursue any of the easy options available to them when they get laid off. \n\nThe fact that they’re usually Trumpers and see themselves as being above the jobs that immigrants do while simultaneously hating them doesn’t make me more sympathetic either.", "Yeah in 2006 the company I worked for did a major layoff. Instead of doing the big conference they instead opted for the more personal 1 person at a time, thank them, hand them severance and escort them out.\n\nWhat an absolute shit show that was. For 2 weeks everyone was on edge praying that HR + Security wasn't walking towards them. No work got done and everyone was job hunting. Also ended up with more people leaving then had gotten laid off since they managed to find a better job.\n\nThe zoom call is a much better option.", "Zoom is relatively new; we've had videoconferencing for decades. Why is every videoconference suddenly called Zoom?", "🤣 I joke, but I agree with you fully, Seriously. Some people don’t like to hear it but you spoke the truth. Much respect. We all have ideals until we are faced with living those ideals and not paying our mortgage. On a fundamental level, it’s the same as a business", "The biggest issue was him talking about himself and how it made him feel. It comes off as really self-absorbed to discuss how it makes YOU feel when you are firing someone else. \n\nAlso, he needed to be more to the point and honest about why this was happening: “hey, we made a mistake and overextended ourselves and now we are forced to do this to have the business survive”, instead of listing off buzzwords like “efficiency”, “productivity”, etc.", "Seriously, work for yourself instead of bitching about not being given enough \n\nI do, there's no one's boots I need to lick", "Id would have said \"See ya wouldn't wanna be ya\" then ask them to check their emails. Easy, direct, painless and humorous ten year down the line. Also some of them would of got Reddit points for posting. It would be generous", "And what? Would you rather not get more funding so that in the future they can hire more people or to completely fail and fire all 85% of the workforce that wasn't fired? \n\nPeople need to recognize that working for startups or any tech company requires you to be aggressive in looking for other jobs while working. It's a matter of stability, growth, and value.", "I bet these assholes never think about firing themselves.", "Acting like CEOs do work fuck outta here, keep boot licking, it'll get you far in life", "It is definitely not best to say you are firing 1000+ people because of your mistake", "There was a manager named Matt Kelley who would always volunteer to be the one that terminated people. Just a weird, quiet, sassy, very passive aggressive person.", "\"The stock has dropped to zero and the computer did that auto-layoff thing to everybody!”\n\nGarg probably", "Even if we accept your argument as true, this:\n\n>if capitalism is properly regulated.\n\nwill never happen in our current system. Half of the government is paid very well to try to undo any regulations that the other half enacts.", "Y’all gotta stop trying to argue with a guy who obviously got his finance degree from a couple google searches.", "I'm already doing pretty well, thanks\n\nTry running a company, that will teach you more than bitching about handouts on reddit", "It is most definitely a good thing that people can be fired immediately and without warning. The fact that you think a business should somehow operate at a loss and retain every employee is laughable. You are living in a fantasy world.", "Suicide rate is higher for Friday firings, and whether that's relevant to a particular employee is almost impossible to predict from a working relationship. I wouldn't mess with that just to avoid some office tension.", "He’s the CEO, so it’s the truth. \n\nThey didn’t expand/hire all those people without his authority so this ultimately falls on him.", "That's how I am feeling. I'm definitely working on my resume now but I am going to see how much vesting can be done before I hit the road.", "I would guess that unless you work in the service industry or similar most offices would be closed on the weekend. At best you could begin to polish up your resume but probably wouldn't be able to contact prospective employers until Monday.", "I’m going to assume you never raised capital in any serious matter before.\n\nJust because they are getting a cash infusion because the company could be potentially very profitable in the future does not mean it comes with no strings attached.\n\nYou think this stuff happens in some weird void where just because you get a cash infusion you don’t need to manage your burn rate?", "Reddits not left leaning, it’s bots being used to upvote what the company wants to be seen. I have a lot of friends that use Reddit and most of them lean right.", "You did something like this for your autism research?", "They were so bad. I'm not even proud to say I used to work for WF and I was 4 mths away from my 20 years. The shit they have pulled--it was embarrassing towards the end. In fact, they just refunded me $250 of service fees they charged on a checking account because they \"took a look\" at their rules and decided that having to have a certain amount of debit card transactions wasn't reasonable. \n\nThese days, I NEVER see an ARM, a balloon loan, nothing like that. I think I've seen maybe 3 or 4 ARM loans and I was shocked to see them. No one wants to touch them now and that's fine with me.", "He’s trimming the fat. He masked it with market etc but he’s shit canning the people fucking up. Easy.", "It was particularly horrible. There’s a reason it went viral.", "I got laid off in a zoom call this year with 380 other employees. The owner I've never met or talked to said \"Hey we're sorry, this is it, we are selling. Expect severance packages by email in two weeks, get with HR they will pay for your counseling and resume services as well as your insurance until you find something else. We will pay you until December including full bonus payout. Sorry again, I appreciate you all, it's been a good run.\" Super short and to the point. Some people were really upset at how fast it was, and how quick it was delivered, but I think I would rather have it quick and painless. The severance was really good for the people that took it for those who may be curious.", "It's standard in this industry for layoffs to be effective immediately. It's mostly to prevent retaliation by employees that still have access to the corporate system, but also workers that know they've been laid off aren't likely going to be very productive anyways.\n\nInstead of giving them N weeks notice they get N weeks severance, so they get paid for the same amount of time but they don't work. This also means they can focus on finding a new job instead of having to continue to work at a job that they know is a dead end.", ">it is that the company made a lot of money this year and last, just got a massive infusion of cash from outside investors, paid this prick a 25 million $ bonus last year and then fired a ton of people right before Christmas.\n\nHere's the problem with this kind of thinking: them losing their jobs right before Christmas isn't his problem. It's theirs. If they didn't want to lose their jobs right before Christmas at a company that was making a lot of money, they shouldn't have been working for a company that can fire them whenever the company wants.\n\nMaybe he thinks the layoffs will be better for him and the company in the long run.", "They lost $92 million last year, they aren’t just trying to look better on paper, lol… It was probably even a condition of them receiving that $750 million that they slim down.", "Real charismatic wordsmith they’ve got there", "Beef Gristle Mill", "The fact that they use a fucking third part online HR service, and he tells the workers to contact them if they don't hear anything?", "4 weeks of pay, 3 months of benefits.", "Maybe they should fire a bunch of people for poor perf---oh... I see now...\n\nHonestly, never go with a big company for loans/mortgage. Go with smaller companies that are more selective in a single state or a few states. Companies that have more thirst for client money and so they perform better.", "Im not even talking about handouts, learn to read.", "🙉", "In a way where the company/CEO doesn’t end up virally ridiculed and probably hurting the company.", "I'm not disagreeing, but there's no point in saying that. He's not their friend. Do you expect him to make them feel better with an apology? Especially when it could be used against the company\n\nJust tell them you have to let them go and clearly explain to them what the severance is.", "He doesn't seem to really care.", "People are like “this is normal, how else are they supposed to do it?” They’re supposed to do it in a way where it doesn’t end up going viral, idiots.", "How do you know any of them were fucking up?", "Learn to work", "I’m amazed at the number of times this man (a CEO none the less) said, “Uh…Ah…”", "Everyone knows nursing is very fair and you won’t face issues like that", "This isn't really out of the ordinary. I have worked at startups before and back when we were in an office big layoffs would happen through everyone getting a meeting invite, but people got one of two rooms. I've only ever gotten the good room so I don't know what the others hear but me and the other lucky people would hear: \"Congratulations, you are now the company\". Then we all look around to see who is missing.\n\nLayoffs suck no matter how you do them. Probably best to just rip the bandaid off and not leave people lying in fear.", "Interesting how the goalposts slid from \"feminists\" to \"radical feminists\" there.", "Or perhaps we should all treat the working poor with some fucking decency. Fuck this identity American centric Blue vs Red bullshit man. Look I am not from the states but the fact that you feel the need to wrap Trump into this from your other comment says it all. The reason why idiots like Trump got elected is a symptom of the problem and deciding to abandon the working class of your own country will not solve shit. Capitalism, especially neoliberalism, has fucked the poor Chinese worker as much as the American worker. Until people get that through their heads things will go no where.", "Hilton let 2000+ employees go via an email after informing us that no layoffs will happen 30 days earlier. At least this guy had the balls to show his (pathetic) face.\n\nFuck the hospitality industry.\n\nEdit: I also want to point out that at least Better.com gave benefits for a bit - Hilton removed all of our benefits immediately after termination.", "Do you think it would have been better for them to spend all that money thinking they were financially secure and then* have the rug pulled out from under them? At least this way they can plan their Christmas spending.", "Just like when I had to fire my wife’s boyfriend, bitter sweet he was a good worker.🤦🏻‍♂️", "r/antiwork", "I got laid off from a company a few years ago on December 17th….it was a Thursday, guess what the next week was??? Oh yeah the slowest week of the year when no hiring manager is working", "That funding might have been contingent on layoffs and restructuring to be more efficient. That wouldn't be too out of the ordinary I would think, if it was a corporate raider type investor.", "There's no such thing as a free market, but yes", "The reason to do it is because People always want to know the “why”. \nI’m Not saying it’s required, I’d appreciate knowing why, even if it made me dislike the person more.", "Severance can happen with notice of termination. I know someone whose company sold to a larger one and they shut down their office and combined it with one the new owners already had. The knew the office was closing for almost a year and still got severance. \n\nI dont think the point of Severance is to make up for a lack of notice.", "😂 Alphabet didn’t remove the dislike button because humanity likes the direction the worlds leaders are trying to go. Get a grip, people are getting red pilled by the thousands everyday.", "Don't worry guys, he's gonna try and not cry this time.", "I just closed a cash out refi with them, and at first I was worried when I read this post's headline, but on learning that they did this to go public, I'll be looking into investing.", "This is funny, because I think their business plan is to make mortgage process more efficient and closings FASTER. Yikes...", "Mortgage brokers really are the way to go", "“At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge,” said the gentleman, taking up a pen, “it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir.”\n\n“Are there no prisons?” asked Scrooge.\n\n“Plenty of prisons,” said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.\n\n“And the Union workhouses?” demanded Scrooge. “Are they still in operation?”\n\n“They are. Still,” returned the gentleman, “I wish I could say they were not.”\n\n“The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?” said Scrooge.\n\n“Both very busy, sir.”\n\n“Oh! I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course,” said Scrooge. “I’m very glad to hear it.”\n\n“Under the impression that they scarcely furnish Christian cheer of mind or body to the multitude,” returned the gentleman, “a few of us are endeavouring to raise a fund to buy the Poor some meat and drink, and means of warmth. We choose this time, because it is a time, of all others, when Want is keenly felt, and Abundance rejoices. What shall I put you down for?”\n\n“Nothing!” Scrooge replied.\n\n“You wish to be anonymous?”\n\n“I wish to be left alone,” said Scrooge. “Since you ask me what I wish, gentlemen, that is my answer. I don’t make merry myself at Christmas and I can’t afford to make idle people merry. I help to support the establishments I have mentioned—they cost enough; and those who are badly off must go there.”\n\n“Many can’t go there; and many would rather die.”\n\n“If they would rather die,” said Scrooge, “they had better do it, and decrease the surplus population. Besides—excuse me—I don’t know that.”\n\n“But you might know it,” observed the gentleman.\n\n“It’s not my business,” Scrooge returned. “It’s enough for a man to understand his own business, and not to interfere with other people’s. Mine occupies me constantly. Good afternoon, gentlemen!”", "That's...complete bullshit. In my field at least.", "Does this mean there is a housing market crash coming. I say this because it seems several companies connected in one way or another to the real estate industry has made massive lay offs recently.", "These people have their poor choices subsidized by people that they hate and see as degenerates. They choose bullshit promises and xenophobia over the many opportunities extended to them for retraining in non-dying industries.\n\n>\tLook I am not from the states but \n\nlol. Opinion discarded.\n\n>\tThe reason why idiots like Trump got elected is a symptom of the problem\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/NPrAqBN.jpg", ">Because they were pricing at almost free. No origination charges, lower than market interest rates.\n\nDo they still do that? Sounds great for the borrower.", "I hope you’re not trying to close a loan with Better.com this month.", "That's how it should be handled don't be cruel, don't be a dick but cut to the chase. Keep control of the situation and keep it moving but don't be domineering. Succinct is the best way to describe it. The old guys there said firm but gentle. No one there likes what is happening so let's just get the ugliness out of the way and figuring out what comes next.", "That’s much more rare than getting laid off. It’s unreasonable to plan for such rare events. Layoffs are common.", "https://youtu.be/fTjhHrcyiQI", "Nope. “Better” should burn.", "Do I think they'd be better off having an extra month of money after the holidays, as opposed to having the rug pulled on them just before?\n\nYeah, I do", "We need to mobilize everyone to start applying online on the careers site.", "Correction, 50% of the population is of below average intelligence. An average is right in the middle. Kinda sad.", "He saw YouTube removed the dislike button and seized his chance", ">The OP said he should have waited one more month \n\nI mean they're clearly arguing that these people shouldn't have been laid off in the first place, but if you want to take it at face value sure.\n\n> If they don't save money they go under and the guys lose their jobs without months of benefits.\n\nTotal bullshit. better.com just received a massive cash injection and is at no risk of going under.\n\n>Ok? Don't see how that has anything to with anything\n\nSeems like a pretty simple connection, what don't you understand?", "Sure, you can get N weeks notice and M weeks severance. But for the employee 0 weeks notice and N+M weeks severance is better, for the company it's paying the same wages either way. The company can decide whether it thinks the N weeks of work are worth the risk of disgruntled employees. I can say that many companies do not think it is worth it.", "The housing market is taking a dump on everyone right now... get ready, SHTF soon.", "It is. A few comments, tells me yes. It’s truly a borrowers market", "In my last job, our whole department was outsourced, there were wild rumors going on. They told us in July, and on a sharepoint post. Then we had to wait 3 months, to get more information. Then they scheduled a meeting. The assistant of the Executive taking the decission wasn't going to be there in the meeting and she told us in our face \"I'm really sad not to be here that day, we worked really hard on this project.\"\n\nLike you say:\n\n>absolutely clueless and guilty of “group think”", "The longer you can stretch it the better if the interest rate is low. Why would you ever want to pay a loan back if it's only a 2.75% rate? It makes financial sense to pay it back as slowly as possible.", "Lmfao like most Americans have a fuckin choice? I don’t think you get how angry both sides are about this. If you unironically hate the poor, I won’t feel bad when they fucking eat you.", "Clearly we're at an impasse seeing as you're unwilling to listen to people because \\reads notes\\ they're not American? If you're willing to actually listen to people for once maybe then you can have a proper conversation on why treating the poor like shit is not a good idea. Furthermore I don't understand why you keep feeling the need to bring up the xenophobia argument. This is a conversation about giving low income individuals a chance to live a better life. Issues of xenophobia are separate from the topic at hand, quit trying to change the conversation. I am done with this.", "Why don't you all /r/antiwork retards create your own company? So you could hire all your little /r/antiwork friends with an amazing wage!", "This line of thinking is exactly why capitalism works and socialism/communism doesnt. In capitalism a company will shed employees and become more efficient by providing a service for cheaper with less labor. This frees up this labor to do something else productive. If the company isnt getting productivity from these people why are they employing them? Its bad for the economy, we need productive labor not busy work labor. Communism will keep people employed even if they are digging holes and filling them. Layoffs are an important part of the economy because it means labor is re-allocated from inefficient sources to more efficient ones.", "I’ve worked for both and they both have their advantages. \nWorking for a family owned company I was treated like a member of the family. Never worked a holiday or had a problem getting time off for family events. \nOn the down side, there were no raises, no room to advance, and no guarantee of getting my hours every week.", "Teleconferencing advice, don't shoot your crotch if it's not relevant to the conference.\n\nClaud was so incompetent he couldn't even fire people with respect.", "Funny part about that is I worked at a mill that was going to be shut down (bought by a competitor to reduce competition). When their rep told us managers in a meeting we were being shut down he literally had to run for his life.", "Ooof. This definitely makes be feel like I need to hit the road. I think I am going to expedite my exit. The plan was to hold off until the new year but maybe I will move it up a bit.", "Surreal as in a huge benefit for the homeowner, yes. It would really suck to have a low rate and then a few years later get shafted but a higher rate. Only the bank is locked in, basically. They can't change your rate. Since you can refinance whenever you want with a different bank at whatever the current rate is, the lock is only one way - you as the homeowner can get out of it if you want, the bank can't. That's much better than variable rate loans in most circumstances. We also have variable rate loans here if you want to go that route.", ">Rights to not get fired? \n\nNo. Rights to not get fired because of poor management decisions.\n\nIf management has 15% of workers in positions that aren't needed, that's the fault of management. Competent regulations ensure that failure affects those responsible (i.e. managament) rather than the employees.\n\nYou can't seriously be swallowing the PR line that 15% of the employees are below target and that it's just coincidence they all got let go on the same day?\n\n-----\n\nIf Executives have fucked up to the point that they have managed to end up with 15% deadweight in their company, that's a failure of management. They should be fired and replaced, not given bonuses while the workers are let go.", "Thanks, yeah it seems to be!", "No-one in America is in the position where there is literally 1 job available and without that they die. Like come on.", "It can’t. The original commenter is a know it all", "What was he supposed to do, invite rent a stadium for the 900 employees to be fired in person? At least it’s better than an email", "Breaking up is hard to do.", "Join my Discord at...", "Yeh I think I am going to do that as well", "A lot better than a faceless email.", "I've seen two major layoffs during my time. Never once was it communicated through the CEO.", "I'd say get used to it", "For some that's the truth unless they want to venture out of their communities and for some with disabled or elderly family that's not an option. The level of privilege and \"never left my bubble\" in your responses is just sad bro. Travel this nation and walk in others shoes before your critique them", "This town I hope to be stronger", "“Efficiency”\n\nWe’ve never been more productive as a society. We’ve never been more over educated and under paid now than ever. Fuck this guy", "facts", "Where did I say I dont?", "The servicers. Oh that's so frustrating. I would pay an extra half a point at the credit union to know that I could pay the note with one button click to transfer on my cell phone versus having to deal with some of these nightmare servicers. \n\nHave her horror stories where people have been sending in payments and then they never got credited and all of a sudden there's somebody there to foreclose on their house even though they've been making the payments and they can't get a hold of anybody because the call centers in India.", "Let me guess, you have 30% body fat and can’t bench press your body weight. The big billionaire CEO’s you people complain about suddenly care what’s best for you? The censorship that only happens to the right is for your own good? Lmfao go get your endless boosters buddy. They care about your health, that’s why the politicians gave them immunity from being sued if something bad happens to you instantly or down the road.", "This guy is a total piece is shit, whatever you want to make of the way he let go of people in this video. How do I know this outside of all the publicly available information about Vishal, including the screamed that he would set his old business partner and best friend on fire IN A DEPOSITION? Well because I was a VP at one of his other companies he was the main investor in and was subjected first hand to his absolute lunacy and sociopathic tendencies. My favorite encounter with VG and his bag of insecurities, the one he drags around due to him thinking he is a big shot but being constantly reminded he is not billionaire NYC elite, was in 2016 shortly after I joined said Vishal 1/0 capital side project. \n\nThe set up was that one of Vishal’s friends had a mentee (this is how the person wanting the loan was always referred to by VG, like it was short hand for the Messiah or mentee of the the friend of the Messiah) that wanted a loan for our company. The mentee received a rate from a competitor that was about 50bps lower than ours. It happens, different companies have different ways to underwrite risk. This person who wants the loan informs us our rate is inferior and his mentor is BFFs with Vishal. We correctly recognize that even if this person is lying, if its true and we don’t bring the rate down and we lose the loan to this other company it’s all bad for the professional and personal welfare of our entire team. We bring the rate down and match the competing offer, we can’t go further because we will lose money on the deal which would be an even bigger pain in the ass in dealing wi the expected VG blowback. This fucking guy still takes the competing offer because “he should not have had to negotiate and name drop.” THANKS MY DUDE.\n\nHell breaks lose, VG hits the send all button and emails everyone at our 15 person company and calls us morons who need to hit pavement and lock down deals and we are letting the competition fuck us because we are both incompetent and lazy. This was said to everyone VG hand picked to run this company, all very accomplished and smart folks who are at a startup because they are hard working and want to make a difference.\n\nCTO at the time calls out that the VG email is totally not cool to send to entire staff. CTO is someone that VG can’t lose unless he wants to take immediate loss on investment. A meeting is scheduled for 8am following morning in our office for VG to come and talk and apologize for the outburst. VG def shows up but does not apologize and just berates everyone in a closed office maybe 10 by 10 (there are no joke 14 people in the room). He says we need to piss in peoples mailboxes and be sharks instead of dumb dolphins (verbatim). Calls our CFO an idiot to his face in front of us (CFO is vishals friend and co-investor). Tells our head of finance who is genius level and grinds like nobodies business to get the fuck out if he doesn’t agree with him. CTO says it’s not cool and VG continues to say nonsense and act like a five year old with and adult level curse word vocabulary. After about an hour it’s clear It’s just going to go on like this so we all stop talking until the man child exhausts himself. We leave meeting, our COO cries, it’s a weird next couple of weeks as we pretend the meeting never happens. We all would eventually quit even though company had nice traction, clear that the emperor could not handle being told he had no clothes.\n\nVishal cannot hear the truth. He hired all these folks against pushback from every level. He pedaled that “we are family” playbook. He then takes $25mil off the top before ipo and fires people before they can vest. He gives the keys to 1/3 of org to what I can only assume to be his mistress or a person that knows dark secrets in the former CPO who had to be let go with cause but not before she had her vest scheduled accelerates and her rent paid by Better. This person was not a person you would ever hire to run product at any level. The guy is a masterclass in hiding assets in the caymans, all his portfolio companies are in some shell org located in the Bahamas (this is not made up, these are facts.) The part about this is mass layoff, even if these folks should be cut, the mismanagement and shadiness of Vishal is the reason Better isn’t doing Better, it’s Adam Neumann from WeWork all over again. Vishal will have close to a billion when it’s all said and done, nothing will change that. However, I implore you to look beyond the “well how else should you fire a lot of people?” question and just recognize that this person is a sociopath and any negative press or negative attention is 100% warranted.", "“Move fast and break things” is actually an accurate description of Silicon Valley, because we never seem to get to whatever the next step is supposed to be.\n\nWe moved fast ✓\n\nWe broke things ✓\n\n???", "It was wild back then. The way the mortgage guys would talk to my clients and just use jargon to stupify them into just shaking their heads. \"So we're gonna do an 80/20 loan, with the 80 being a traditional 30yr mortgage (that were also gonna charge you PMI on because you don't know what we're doing) and the 20 will be a 5 year interest only HELOC ARM! That means you only pay the interest for the first 5 years!!! Isn't that great‽‽‽ And when the 5 years is up, just refinance that loan and you'll be all good!\" Clients just slowly nod their heads. \n\n\nSome conditions may apply.", "lol. Worst way to do a lay off. If you have ever done one you would know.", "Sorry they treated you so disrespectfully I’d be pretty mad.", "As someone who talked to one of their sales people about getting a mortgage my experience was extreme negative. Their sales people are rude and do the typical sales tactics and try to rope you in before providing any answers to basic questions.", "I wish it didnt have the title of the company in the title of the post. You know what they say, any publicity is good publicity. Last thing these people need is free advertising.", "If you are on this call (and not me) you're fired. WOW", "This is very interesting. My understanding is that they’ve been doing really well.", "worse.com", "The only time I ever worked for a company (been self employed ever since), we had set up a HUGE meeting to design and build a massive skyscraper in a major North American city. We had been working, designing and planning the project for over 2 years. On the morning of the pitch meeting to the city, county and state managers, as well as the investment firm that would have funded it, I got a call to come to the office. at 10:30. I said, ”I can't! We have the tower meeting at 10:00.\" I was told not to go to that meeting and to be out office at 10:30. Walked in and our whole team was there, meaning NONE of us were at the meeting. My whole team (12 of us) was let go, and we found out that the boss's son was doing our pitch meeting. We were given 2 weeks severance and they built our building without any of us.", "Very interesting. Here are rates seem a bit lower, but you can't lock them in for that long. I got lucky and just fixed mine in for 1.89% for 2 years and variable for 2.3% (you can split your loan). I'd have to pay a hefty cancellation fee to leave my fixed before 2 years.\n\nDo you guys have offset accounts? Its where the money in your bank account offsets the interest you pay. So if you have a $200K loan but 50K in your offset account then you only pay interest on $150K. We only have them for variable rates (which is why I split mine).\n\nWe also have something called \"Redraw\" which means we can pay off our loan extra then redraw the extra if needed. But its usually limited and can have tax implications.", "You at Tenneco? Just happened right down the road from my house.", "Better Call Saul", "What I mean with my post is that this kind of thing happens a lot with a lot of companies and not only with this. The only difference is the person in this case recording the zoom meeting. The hint in my coment is on the part where I talk in general and not about the company.", "Wow, sexist much?", "They couldn't stand you because upper management often has an utter contempt for the workers they employ.", ">shit us down\n\nDon't edit, please, this is actually perfect.", "The incoming market crash.", "That’s because it never happened", "Well congrats for them not to sticking it in the ass of the people they employ..I hope I work for a place like that someday", "Yeah, I'm sure these people chose every aspect of their life path with perfect knowledge. That's a realistic expectation.", "Find a way to make yourself necessary", "I'd say getting fired from such a company would be a plus but then again who am I.", "Well when thats been your job for 5-10 years. its not exactly easy to just walk away in the middle of a pandemic.", "Better isn’t one of these small town = the company firms. \n\nThey lay off professionals working good paying jobs who can easily get work elsewhere and everyone is working remote", "From my experience on farms, you don't know what you're talking about. For many immigrants, that's the course life takes.", "Regardless that is a very good deal.", "Well I wasn’t OP, but alright, regular feminists it is. Not radical.", "Sorry, I added more context after your reply. I didn’t mean cyclical in terms of seasons, but there are market thresholds that are predictable. Any economic analyst saw this over-correction coming months ago.", "Did you read either of the articles?", "I was one that was laid off and the way they “tracked” whether you worked wasn’t conclusive it was like one stat. It caught me off guard but it is what it is ya know.", "What are regular feminists doing wrong?", "Oh yes, I'm aware of the separate supply issue. I just come at this from my experience managing HOA's, where in my city, a third of all new median-priced homes are being bought by big rental companies. Most of those companies basically function to launder dirty foreign money.", "No I don't make minimum wage but it seems like you do..I have worked for a few places who have shit canned tons of people because they suck at running a business..it's not just laying workers off but canning people entirely", "So you think once true self driving is created, only a single company will have it, indefinitely?", "As long as it's at-will employment where anyone could be let go at any time whatsoever, why should there be any loyalty to any employer at all?\n\nIt's the whole nature of at-will employment.", "Haha, sounds about right! We had a loan officer who worked in the international district and worked almost exclusively with borrowers of his same ethnicity that didn't speak english. I only mention this because it's important. I and other underwriters started noticing that he was charging 2, 3, maybe even 4 discount points to these borrowers. All it took was one of us saying out loud \"Jeez, 3 discount points? I think this is the 3rd loan so and so has done with high discount points.\" and then we all started chiming in. We ended taking it to management. Nothing happened to him, of course, because why would it. They never get rid of sales people because they're needed, but he did stop charging very high discount points. Like, dude. You can't do that. It's literally against the law. I felt so bad for the borrowers being taken advantage of.", "Must be a fun place to be on January 1st", "A lot. Too much to type out.", "Heavy is the head that wears the crown. It's easy to make fun of billionaires because it's easy to pretend they don't have problems, or that all problems can be solved with money (not true), but if you were the successful head of a company you'd have to lay off people sometimes too and I bet you'd also feel bad about it, and I also bet people would make fun of you too as if it's impossible for a rich person to care about anyone but themselves.", "Very true :)", "Never work to make someone else rich and you won't be faced with shit like this. Either work for yourself or in the public sector where you can't be fired without proper cause.", "You’re probably right", ">\tFrom my experience on farms\n\nThis is your key error here. There’s a lot more jobs than agriculture.", "I had a similar great experience with Rocket when I purchased my home in 2017. I just tried to refinance with them and Rocket was TERRIBLE. It was like used car sales tactics. Talked down to me, lied to me or talked in circles instead of straight answers. Throughout the process the closing costs just kept going up until they were over $10,000, no joke. I’m still getting emails, texts and calls from all different people at Rocket. 🙄\n\nWe just refinanced with Better and it was a smooth and fast process.", "He should have left that part out entirely. Everything else was fine.", "See: make no attempt to pursue any of the easy options available to them. Nobody said they had to have perfect knowledge but shunning any options they feel are beneath them is their fault. \n\nFuck coal miners for polluting the environment too.", "Why would you start off talking about how you feel when at the end of your talk, you're still going to have a job? Do you actually want the people that you are firing to feel sorry for you? I can understand everything else he said, but not him talking about crying and his feelings. He could have kept that part to himself.", "Hmmmm nice thighs", "It's fine, I learned that I should not hold any loyalty to a company, a job is a job, just a means to a paycheck. Getting axed is just a part of it, it's nothing personal at the end of the day I would do the same to them if I had a better employment offer. It's a numbers game.", "You know, I mean they do call it getting axed.", "I have fired/surplused people that I really didn’t like and were terrible workers…it was still really hard to deliver the message of “we are moving in another direction; 6 months pay plus 6 months benefits; HR will be in contact”.", "A lot of small towns have no other option. People drive from 50+ minutes away to work at a factory in my town because there's nothing closer. If that factory shut down the surrounding 12 towns would have no where to work", "I have done one. Would you rather him sing a song and tell them how much he’s sorry?", "I had to fire someone just before December but I made sure they were still paid through the end of the year and kept their benefits. The move needed to happen for good reason but I still cared about the person. Just because they were no longer a fit for us doesn't mean I want them to suffer in life.", "Sucks but in the remote age how else do you do this? They were pretty generous with severance and paying for healthcare. It’s a workers market so it should be easy to find another gig.", "Idk, most of those small town angry folk spend their time hating minorities and not their corporate overlords.", "It’s pretty clear you don’t work very well\n\nClearly pissed off about having a bullshit job", "I'm sure you have.", "I actually have a good job that pays well, you dont know anything about me so dont start assuming shit.", "Not on this scale, but I have \n\nIt was great, I just said a big heartfelt apology around a campfire and everyone was super touched\n\nSeriously, what would you rather him do?", "This is great insight, but if anything this will make them more successful. The business model may be to push responsibility on to you and cut costs on their end. As a home owner, I probably wouldn't pick a mortgage provider by how hard it is for the title company. It's crappy, but I've seen a few exploitive businesses like that.", "I like how you say most people are self-centered and then the example you used was profit motivated and involved the shareholder being distant from the consequences of his actions.\n\nYou would be surprised how little people are self-interested when you take away those two conditions.", "That is all 100% typical startup bullshit", "I totally agree. Thanks for clarifying for future readers.", "Oh the old \"look i cried i have feelings\" management 101 training manual. \n\nI would rather get a email saying \"sorry, we no longer need you to work with us.\" Then a simple what i get from it in terms if severance or whatever. Thats it.\n\nWorking at walmart for 20 years i see through all the bullshit from management, i've only been called to office one time in 20 years, that was on the first year of working then they realized i can't be manipulated like other sheep.\n\nI had a manager text me, never had a work related text in all these years, to come in on day off. I said \"No\". He sent back like 30 texts of why i should be a \"team player\" and all the other management buzz words they learn. I didn't respond, and when i got back to work i did a time adjustment for 4 hours of work on my day off because it was work related texts he send me. Approved :D Fuck'em.", "Well, that's just shitty. Yet not unexpected. I work in insurance now and I got an \"in\" in the Hispanic community near me. A white guy that'll sell you life insurance regardless of legal status and not take advantage of you. Apparently, the Latin agents would hold their status over their heads and try to extort them, which is highly illegal, but what is someone of questionable legal status to do? I was printing money for a while there. I also reported every agent that they gave me the name of. As far as I know, nothing happened to them because why would it. Lol. Just more of the same. I need to reach back out to that community, I've let it slip and this conversation reminded me of that.", "You literally made a generalision that implied all companies should start in a similar manner to the one you are involved in.", "To be fair, my work involves a lot of ~2-5 minute wait times, which is not enough time to start anything else, but just enough time to browse reddit.", "Weird way to argue that they shouldn't have been fired by bringing up Christmas and asking if he couldn't have waited.\n\nWhy do you think companies receive massive cash injections and having to terminate a bunch of contracts? Couldn't possibly be because of having lost a lot of money.\n\nI don't see how bringing up something that CEOs apparently say has anything to do with me saying it's silly to complain about being fired before Christmas.", "This poor man, imagine how hard it must be /s", "Can you name a single example rather than copping out entirely?", "They actually have a law, don't know the name off hand, that lets you transfer mortgage to another lender. Some cavent in it, but might be worth looking into.", "Which is silly to have. Business don't work on \"feelings\" like holidays or what not for a reason. \n\nA person's inability to manage finances because of person belief system shouldn't mean jack shit to a business.", "Wtf", "I have done three the most being 125. Get to the point quicker. \"If you are on this call we are laying you off because our market has changed and I have made this decision with careful considation \" Then validate their hate and anger. Be empathetic. Pretty easy. Don't read off a sheet of paper and take off your deal guy vest it makes you less believable and want to hate you even more. This guy's reaction is typical and probably why he was axed.", "Makes those email rejections I get seem less dickish", "Unfortunately, this kind of thing happens in my area as well. My dad is a real estate agent and a Mexican\\* family came to an open house and clearly really liked the house, but he didn't get an offer. What he did get was an offer from another realtor, who was Mexican (clear from the name). House was listed at $90k and he lowballed at like $60k? something ridiculous. Seller declined the offer, second offer was full price and sold. \n\nFew days later, dad gets a visit from the Mexican family and they wanted to know why their offer didn't get accepted because they really wanted the house. Turns out, their realtor was the Mexican realtor who put in the offer. I guess he guaranteed them they would get the home or something like that. Dad had to tell them that no, the offer came from their realtor and it was $30k below asking price. They were not happy because they went with the guy because he spoke Spanish and they thought that would be the best. They also thought he'd put in an offer for them, not himself. \n\nBest we could figure out is that the agent planned to buy the home cheaper and then would sell it back to the family at a higher price, likely privately. Dad called his broker and had a chat with her about what her agent was doing and it ended with letting her know that he better not ever see that realtor in his office. He regrets not calling the realtor board about that guy to this day. \n\n\\They and the agent are literally from Mexico, I'm not generalizing or anything.", "Because, as a CEO, he laid of 15% of his work force via Zoom call.", "Note to self: never use Better.com", "\"shifts in the market\" this is a buzzword. Corporate bullshit that no employee want to hear as well.\n\nSo you say that manager was clueless and problems just happened. Evil market changed all of a sudden and no one was expecting a thing. \n\nI say this as a devil advocate in case there is really no good way to communicate dismissal. \n\nPersonally I would prefer to hear that CEO admit he fucked up.", "Yes the movement has parts of it which are radicalized and that’s bad. Lots of things have strayed from the initial goal of equal rights. That’s 1 example out of thousands.", "None of that experience will show me that there aren't a disproportionate number of immigrants working in agriculture though. If you were originally just being obtuse and meant to indicate that many immigrants are working in other fields, then I agree. But how many of those fields can hire people with zero relevant experience? It's not like these rust belt workers are going to be able to pursue their old jobs in Indonesia, ffs.", "If you have a massive company that rakes in millions for multiple years in a bull market, there is absolutely zero excuse for your company not to be better prepared for a downturn. Set a little more money aside in the company war-chest. It's not even like they're a publicly traded company with shareholders breathing down their necks.\n\nIt's just greed, plain and simple. They chose a strategy that prioritized growth rather than stability.\n\nThere are companies who don't operate that way and function just fine, even in really volatile markets.", "Technically, they did pursue the easy options available to them. Changing career and splitting from family and tradition is actually more difficult.\n\nSomething tells me you suffer from survivorship bias. How many times have you had to lower your standards to get where you are now? You are asking these people to do that, whether or not you agree with the way they feel about what they do and the supposedly easy options available to them.\n\nYou are sitting comfortable, chastising people with fewer opportunities and less education than you for not choosing to succeed like you did. I'm sure they just need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and get on with life, right? Don't deny it, you have the exact same attitude--you just don't want to be associated with the people who say that bullshit.", "I can’t believe you think this way", "The more i think about it, he had what was probably his dream job. Got to travel a lot, and his job consisted of an hour or two of telling people they were fired and having security remove them from the premises. Then his day was free. He would probably have another flight in a few days when the rates would be cheaper to some other place to do it again. No car, no house, no spouse, complete freedom. Maybe he saved an absolutely ridiculous amount of money over time. \n\nI remember his face so clearly. \"I'm here to let you know your access has been revoked and your responsibilities have ended, this folder contains all the necessary information, if you have no questions security will escort you out of the premises.\" \n\nI don't think I will ever forget that little speech, he must have said it a thousand times over or more, delivered with perfect cadence. I remember the very next thing I asked, completely out of it was what was going on. I thought it was some sort of prank. So he responded with, \"Your employment has ended.\" There was no long drawn out speech, no holding hands, no bells and whistles. Just facts dropped with a cold firmness that snapped me out of my shock. He wasn't cruel about it, he did not revel in it. It was very clinical, detached. Just a matter of fact, you know? I asked a few questions he answered in the same tone and with the same sureness, I think that the lack of malice helped tremendously. There was no passion to his words, he was just informing me of something that had already happened.", ">\tTechnically, they did pursue the easy options available to them.\n\nAnd now they’re gone and these people refuse retraining or moving while blaming immigrants or liberals for their woes.\n\n>\tHow many times have you had to lower your standards to get where you are now? \n\nSeveral actually. It’s why I have no sympathy for these people or the idiots who romanticize their poor choices\n\n>\tI’m sure they just need to pick themselves up by their bootstraps and get on with life, right?\n\nThat’s some good faith lol. Millions of people worse off than them are able to do it while they throw a tantrum and blame minorities, immigrants, liberals etc for their shitty rust belt town dying while hating the politicians that propose retraining programs and assistance for them.\n\nYou want to defend trash like that then that’s your choice but don’t pretend it’s anything other than that.", "They got a month of severance pay and 3 months of benefits though", "Once American CEO's & C level exec's started getting paid with stock options is when America lost it's way and outsourced all jobs for slave labor. All for stock prices to go up", ">\tNone of that experience will show me that there aren’t a disproportionate number of immigrants working in agriculture though. \n\nData won’t show that either lol.\n\nhttps://money.cnn.com/2017/03/16/news/economy/immigrant-workers-jobs/index.html\n\n>\tIt’s not like these rust belt workers are going to be able to pursue their old jobs in Indonesia, ffs.\n\nSee: various retraining proposals that have all been rejected by rust belt trash.", "You can plan for it. It doesn't make it suck any less.", "\"The last time I did this, I cried...\", Psycho somehow makes it about himself.", "Most people are self centered, the decisions the vast majority of us make and conversations we have prioritize ourselves at the forefront of it. The vast amount of infidelity, profit gouging, manipulation, shop lifting, etc ... It's probably an evolutionary advantage.", "It’s kind of telling, though, that his delivery of bad news was all about how difficult it was for him when it should have been an acknowledgment of the pain it would cause the workforce.", "So it's ok for the people doing the firing to make a joke of it as they're firing you?", "Was an observation. Situational and emotional awareness isn’t a form of guilt. \n\nI’m pointing out the current issue of inflation on goods. The Fed admitted to Congress that there was a correlation between the stimulus checks with the rise in costs today due to disproportionate spending on goods. The costs of goods went up across all sectors and helped cause ongoing supply chain issues. No need to prove that unless you’re not the person spending money in your household. \n\nYou’re getting twisted that I have to prove UBI doesn’t work but that’s not how it works. The most recent stimulus is the best example economists have on the issue when money is freely distributed like in UBI. Your argument here is that people would treat UBI differently than a lump sum check, but you underestimate how quickly people spend money on stuff and things when they have access to money even when they shouldn’t.\n\nThis gives economists a pretty strong lever if they need to prop up the goods market. The verdict is out on whether this could be done sustainably, but one check out several months ago caused everything to go up after. So what does 3,4 or 50 checks do?", "What has you so triggered here? Sometimes people are shit at their jobs and need to be fired. He’s not the devil for communicating that message.", "It's weird working in a trade, I started thinking about it. The sheer amount of equipment you work on every day is insane. You work differently every day depending on the situation. \n\nIt got me thinking how most other jobs aren't like that, and the job genuinely requires skilled workers. You could implement a process but that lack of flexibility would massively increase costs to clients.\n\nMaybe I'm not getting across what I'm trying to say, but it's a weird old world and skilled jobs that require creative and adaptable people seem to be getting rarer.", "Lmao, did you even read your source? Agricultural work was right up there in the top 5. That means immigrants disproportionately work in agriculture vs. other fields that require certifications. That was kind of the point of the article.\n\n>See: various retraining proposals\n\nYeah, they just have to learn to code, right?", "Firing staff doesn’t free up the balance sheet materially right away, but it does impact the income statement and future cash flow.", ">Seemed to work for decades before banking became a large profit margin business.\n\nUh, selling debt has been a common practice for thousands of years and been a high margin(if done right) business for just as long.", "This time I hope to be stronger.. What an asshole.", "If I could lock in my rate for 30 years I probably would, especially if you're not locked in and can refinance. Seems like a no brainer. \n\nOur rate could possibly move every 6months to a year a small amount. The highest I've seen it was about 10 years ago at 4% but its been higher before. Its of course more risk and a worse rate, but the offset account lets you put in more money and pay less interest. \n\nIs there a US way to pay it off early? I understand the benefit of investing it elsewhere but usually you want a good chunk of your savings on hand and in a safe place. For instance, if you had 100K saved you can put 50K in stocks and 50K in your offset. The offset is the equivalent of a guaranteed 2.3% return after tax (and this rate will probably get higher soon). Which isn't great, but its super safe and can be spent whenever. And your pay get's paid there so you never have 'lazy money' that's not doing anything.", "If it wasn't clear I was using hyperbole, my bad. I'm not expecting they enact the next revolution of the proletariat but it's not too much to ask to not have my employer treat firing everyone as a joke to my face.", "They’re not talking about this guys history. I’m only going off of this one video, I don’t know anything about him.", "Oh you glorious bastard!", ">\tAgricultural work was right up there in the top 5.\n\nThe lowest of the top 5 e.g. not the largest sector for immigrant workers legal or illegal. Contrary to your statement of “ that there aren't a disproportionate number of immigrants working in agriculture though.” and kinda showing my point that there’s plenty of opportunities available for rust belt trash but xenophobia and racism feel better to them.\n\n>\tYeah, they just have to learn to code, right?\n\nOr work as an operator in warehouses for any of the major cities just a few hours move from them, or the growing service sector, or any of the fields that immigrants are willing to work in.\n\nBut xenophobia and racism feel better and upper class kids like you will defend it because you have a romanticized view of it.", "Honestly, its better to be told you are getting laid off before Christmas than after it.\n\nImagine getting laid off right after giving away a bunch of expensive gifts.", "Clearly this person has never been punched in the face by a man who knows how to punch. Sadly, I think every young man needs to experience this to avoid this type of behavior later in life.", "Ya the dude is evading the question that he was trying to defend from the beginning, lol.", "Its 2021. You can job search over the weekend just as easy as on a weekday. Its mostly online or through personal contacts.", "At my company executives at least did it one on one. there was bad vibes going around the week of, but it was at least personal and quick when it was happening. More importantly they didn't make it about them and took some car to assure us that it was a failure on their part and not about our performance.", "Don't you just love how this motherfucker get s a 250K raise, and then literally turns around, calls everyone, and gleefully terminates 15% of the staff? Someone apparently can't get off must by \"winning\" - he has to make other people lose as well to maintain an erection. And please, before anyone yowls \"it's just business!\" firing people en masse* over a Zoom call while baking in your own personal windfall is not fucking business. It's sadism.", "Well, the way my company did it, was to announce the lay off, give a period over which performance reviews were done to identify the people, then lay them off with a one month notice. So people effectively have 2 months at least to search for a job, and everyone in the company knew what was happening and it felts like more of a fair process. It was still all online though cuz of covid", "I mean, it was more akin to watching a person high on cocaine or some amphetamine yell at a group of his employees that the earth is flat. But I agree, experiences are important!", "More like Worst.com amirite?", "there's no such thing as \"just business.\" Saying \"just business\" is an excuse to make it sound ok, but the truth is, you're dealing with a bunch of professional skilled adults who have families and interpersonal relationahips at work. Saying \"just business\" could go two ways, right? How about \"I have no loyalty to my company and it's success, and only give 50% beacuse it's JUST BUSINESS.\" \n\nCompanies who view their workforce like people and don't use that \"just business\" bullshit perform much better.", "There was no one cause for the 08 recession, it was a bunch of stuff happening at once that snowballed out of control.\n\nBanks offloading mortgages into asset-backed securities is something they still do today, and it still provides a massive utility to the housing market, and other funds that invest into them, including pensions.", "\n>They and the agent are literally from Mexico, I'm not generalizing or anything.\n\n\nLol, that's fair. I assume when someone uses a specific country as a descriptor that they have provenance. Though, I did know a racist that always referred to anyone Latin as \"Dominican\" and it has always stuck with me as just completely random.", "i hate my job so honestly this would be a relief 😮‍💨 and 3 months benefits, sweet", "What exactly would have said for you think it's genuine empathy/sympathy? How is saying that he is sad/teary for making that decision mean \"narcissistic\"?", ">\tThe costs of goods went up across all sectors and helped cause ongoing supply chain issues. \n\nAnd you don't think any of that has to do with people not working for a year, or tons of jobs lost due to businesses offering disgustingly low wages? \n\n>\tNo need to prove that \n\nYikes. \n\n>\tYou’re getting twisted that I have to prove UBI doesn’t work but that’s not how it works.\n\nYou right, that's not how it works, because I already proved it did. When you make a claim, be prepared to provide proof or be called out for it. I claimed it does work, and then I provided proof. And then you claimed those facts were \"bias,\" with your only counter to that being \"the stimulus made good more expensive.\" \n\n>\tYour argument here is that people would treat UBI differently than a lump sum check, but you underestimate how quickly people spend money when they have access to money even when they shouldn’t. \n\nBecause they do. I literally showed that in my proof. Which you would know if you read any of it. \n\n>\tThe verdict is out on whether this could be done sustainably, \n\nIt's literally not, stop lying. I literally showed you proof that it works. \n\n>\tbut one check out several months ago caused everything to go up \n\nShow me proof of this happening, or stop lying. \n\n>\t what does 3,4 or 50 checks do? \n\nReduces debt, reduces stress, allows people to invest, etc. All things covered in the studies I provided. Why are you still on this when you know you're lying?", "He said not to claim victory yet", "Sometimes funding like this comes with conditions for restructuring the company.", "Scarcity is still a thing. Someone has to produce all the shit you consume. We're extremely far away from the end of scarcity, if it will even ever end. \n\nIn the meantime everyone needs live in the real world and work. Yeah a small number of people get filthy rich, but what resources are they even actually consuming that are anywhere near enough to otherwise allow people to not need to work? Are a few private jets, yachts, and mansions enough to feed and entertain billions of people? Get real.\n\nWe don't have unlimited energy warp cores, replicators, and human-like general AIs. Maybe when we develop those we can all jerk off all day. But someone needs to develop that shit first. And guess what actually produces new technology? Capitalism.", "I wonder how much of a paycut he could have taken and still be fine without having to lay off so many people", "I didn't want anyone to think I was being a jerk, ha! My town has a pretty big Mexican population and we're smack dab in a big red county in Iowa. There were some...adjustments that involved a small riot (2 Mexican guys nearly beaten to death by a bunch of white teens) and ultimately a murder (white guy I went to school with by a Mexican guy the white guy was always fucking with--the ultimate fucked around and found out) before things settled down. Shit was crazy.", "Savage.", "Man that sucks! Feel bad for for the guy losing his job especially like that. \nHowever, a person that records a work meeting knew it was coming. Why would you record work? Seems dramatic to me but some people are always the victim. Hope he finds a new job soon though. It’s just weird to me.", "Why Iowa? Like, they could move anywhere in the country and decided to settle on a town in Iowa? Lol. I always tease my clients from southern states and Caribbean/Central/South America, \"why the fuck did you move to Detroit? Did nobody tell you about our winters? Do you still have a house down south, if so, can you airbnb it to me on the cheap I want out of here from December to March!\"", "No it's completly different. The US system was specifically built with the ballon differently.\n\n\"Balloon payments are a non-traditional form of financing that involves little to no payments at the beginning of the loan’s term followed by a substantially larger lump sum payment due at the end of the loan’s term. \"\n\nThe payments here are paid at a constant rate, and there isn't a final payment due. Yes the company will take your house if you don't move the mortgage or continue with them. But its not a case like the US where you paid $200 a month for 5 years then had a $120000 payment the last month.", "\"Last time I did this, I was all unhappy and shit. And I will be this time too. But hey, still CEO!* Whoohoo! \"", "1/3.\n\nSocialism and communism is about democracy and working together, so yes they do actually care about you and request participation in decision making process.", "Yeah suicide is higher but homicide is lower? I haven't heard the stats in a long time, I'd have to go look it up again", "They are awful don't use them but you got a great rate?Why cant I use them and get a great rate too?", "Lol", "I refinanced twice with them and had no issues on my end; it was smooth as butter. Sorry for the headaches on your end!", "I'm sorry you failed statistics, let me explain for you. That chart was showing the top 5 industries by percentage of workers that are immigrants. With how many industries exist in this country, the top 5 are going to skew well above the average, especially when there's high barriers to entry in other industries that will drive their respective percentages lower. When one industry has 30% immigrant workers, and about 10% of the general population are immigrants, that industry has three times what the population would dictate as average, and we can describe that as disproportionate.\n\nI'm glad you know what all of these people feel and think, if only you used your powers with empathy, maybe you'd be able to solve the problem for everyone. You're asking people to go somewhere they hate, away from everyone they know and love, away from their culture and the land they know, and do something they feel is demeaning. That's gonna be a hard sell, and you're blaming them for not buying. Do you feel the same way about the people our immigrants left behind? Many of them are in similar situations. You keep trying to pin this on xenophobia, but you're just blinded by the partisan politics that tries to gather power by dividing us. You are acting as a tool of the elite.\n\n>Upper class\n\nlmao, I gotta know why you think I'm so privileged while I advocate for the working class.", "LOL, right? And it's a small town, too. There used to be a lamb plant here--they did the slaughtering and...stuff. One of the managers was Mexican and he recruited other Mexicans to work there (probably started around...1994ish?) and they brought their families and here we are. The bonus is that we now have a really good mexican restaurant in town that has amazing salsa.", "Did you luck out on finding a new job right away? Do you work in an in-demand field where you have lots of options? Do you have a family to provide for? Did you lose your job in December?\n\nJust because you're doing fine doesn't mean everyone else in similar circumstances is going to come out that way, regardless of how much of a \"snowflake\" they are or how much effort they put into finding a new job.", "Avoid \"Better.com\".", "> Companies who view their workforce like people and don’t use that “just business” bullshit perform much better\n\n\nSo we’re still judging them by their business success as opposed to their moral virtues. Everything is “just business”, even if it’s beneficial for the worker. If it’s not beneficial to the worker it’s still just business. The company has no obligation to its workers if it doesn’t help their mission.", "Mucho texto", "wab delete", "Akshually, Thor did kill Thanos when he [chopped off his head.](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Ambush_on_Thanos)", "At least he had the balls to do it himself and not farm it out to HR.", "It doesn’t matter what I think, this is what the actual economists are saying like Janet Yellen. \n\nThe burden of proof isn’t on me. You’re being biased by presenting two very small studies while ignoring the best real world macro example with an inflated goods sector as a direct consequence of the stimulus. You’re either in denial or unaware about how much prices have increased this year.", "What field is that if you don't mind me asking? \n\nI'm in advertising (creative side). It's pretty much impossible to hide if you're not producing the work and moving the needle. People would notice immediately because you can't skate by on looking busy or schmoozing.", "after the second slide did they drop the mic and leave?", "Adding on to the no problems with Better train on my recent purchase. Went through Ally/Better and they beat multiple local competitors offering 3% to 3.25% with a 2.49% with no points. Process was smooth, call backs were timely and we were even able to move up our closing a week. Now it makes sense why they were so much cheaper.", "I bet the good employees that would go into the office actually work still have jobs. Good for him for cutting the fat", "Really? It’s his job to make a profitable company. Lazy employees at home dining nothing are not part of the plan. I say good for him", "But that's the thing, while I see your point it could just as easily go the other way. I'd much rather know the night before so I didn't bother waking up early and going there just to be fired. Then they're wasting my time for nothing. Telling you at the end of a day isn't necessarily about trying to squeeze one last day out of you. There's always going to be \"one last day\". Seems like the best time to me.", "If you cared about your job you would get a vax and head to work", "Cool. Crazy how different it is. Thanks for the chat and the info :)", "I work in a biochemistry lab, on the computational side. It's pretty easy to let your work slide for a while without the PI noticing", "Hynix had a fab here in my city. One morning they just left the gates locked...", "I don’t understand why this guy is crying though. Can’t he just find another job? Like ya it’ll suck maybe for a bit until he finds another decent job, but this guy just seems so stressed and hurt", "/r/demandbetterwork. Done.", "My old boss had that job for six months. She left because she couldn't stand letting go of people in large numbers every few days. I actually was let go from that job and she had her executive assistant do it because she couldn't handle another letting go. I actually appreciated it because her EA was very sympathetic.", "Things must have changed then. What I'm most familiar with is to do that at the end of day on Friday. End of the pay period, more people are leaving, reduces the chance of them coming back upset the next day because it's generally closed. It's already a natural ending to the work week, you just don't come back after the weekend.", "Everyone is different. You seem really married to that job?\n\nI'm 41 and have had 4 or 5 jobs people would consider careers. Ifr air traffic control, telecom noc, surveyor, pm, book buyer.\n\nIve had another half dozen jobs. I've never been fired. I leave if i don't like it. \n\nI really do not think id give a fuck if i was fired. Thanks for the cash, on to the next. I've always got a strategy in terms of what if i have no income next month etc. You have to. It might not be fired, could be illness etc\n\n\n\nIt would mainly be an ego blow because I'm an arrogant prick that thinks i can do anything. \n\nI can't ever imagine being so shaken mentally from losing q job.", ">\tthis is what the actual economists are saying like Janet Yellen. \n\nWhere? What are they saying? \"I feel like I'm paying more\"? What proof do you actually have of prices rising? And that it's linked in any way to the one-time payments from the stimulus packages? I can show you proof that more people drown in years that have more Nic Cage movies, but that doesn't mean that Nic Cage movies cause drownings. \n\n>\tThe burden of proof isn’t on me. \n\nBut it is. I made my claim, and then I provided proof. You're telling me I'm wrong. How so? \"Just because you are\" doesn't mean shit. \n\n>\tYou’re being biased by presenting two very small studies \n\nIt's two more than you've presented. \n\n>\twhile ignoring the best real world macro example with an inflated goods sector as a direct consequence of the stimulus. \n\nWhat goods? How are they inflated? How do you know it's directly related to the stimulus? \"Because I say it is\" isn't good enough homie. You're making the claims, you provide the proof. \n\n>\tYou’re either in denial or unaware about how much prices have increased this year.\n\nAgain, prices of what? What \"goods\"? You can't just throw out buzzwords and not expect people to call you out on it.", "So you know the company was loosing money or simply wasn’t making as much money ? You see nothing wrong where he said he said it was hard from him but he will cope? The whole message didn’t need anything about him which he made it.", "All he had to do was say “hey we are going to do this in 6 months.” Just give people time! businesses have plans and know their runways. Needing to make such massive labor changes isn’t a surprise. This guy is a joke and any company he runs is a fucking shit company if it got to this point.", "Didn't they get a 750m USD investment recently? Seriously, wtf...", "He was lying. I've fired a lot of people, not like that guy I'm sure, but dozens. \n\nThe reality is you're getting fired because the company sucks, or you suck. Either way fuck all can be done about it. He was saying that so he didn't have to engage with a fucking idiot. \n\nIt's not his fault that guy is being fired. \n\nI can't even remember all the people i fired. It's a value calculation. Do i want to fire them? No. But some people aren't cut out for some things. \n\nAs for corporate cuts? I hate working in that environment because damn near every company carries tens of millions in salary for dog shit workers that do barely anything. \n\nIt is the rare employee that actually works most of the time they're at work. \n\nI'll always prefer to get hired on as a higher paid consultant with a fixed contract and manage my own benefits etc., and be somewhat removed from whatever idiotic hierarchy of waste exists. Corporate culture, and many of the employees, are fucking trash.\n\nThe efficiency is non existent", "I guess it is not for empathetic people. It takes someone who can be disconnected from others to do it. I wrote about it on other comments but this person treated the whole affair in a cold and clinical manner. He was clear and to the point, very much more machine than a person. While I did not ask him how long he had been doing it, I get the impression that is was years. and Oddly enough he seemed content with it, not happy to have to fire people but also not bothered by it either.", "You sound like someone who has never held any significant managment positions; and/or if you have, your \"mission\" was astoundingly easy or simple. Yes, from the outside, the companies' obligations to employees are only the legal minimums, BUT if you treat your people like they are disposable, then you're not going to be successful. Nothing will get done on time or properly because they're only putting bare minimum effort into their work. Quality is going to be shit. Your talented people (the ones who really make your company successful) will find a better job. The only people who stick around will be the ones just collecting a paycheck and the yes men. At that point (if it didn't already start to happen) you'll see your \"business success\" crash and burn. Don't get me wrong: I believe periodic pruning is required to rid the company of unproductive people, but it can't be squid games/hunger games where your employees are constantly terrified of being cut or not treated like people. Based on your comment, I would never hire you to manage anyone.", "Do you think he was lying about having no family or home?", "You have no over head. Food, travel and lodging paid.", "The whole company is a meme spy ware website it’s a money grab but if you can’t figure out that not being the top employee is the only thing that can protect you from being fired from a money grab you are a moron.", "All of this is 100% true", "If you think for one min any of these employees were top employees you are nuts", "The guy in the video sounds like he spent all day getting high and playing his favorite mmo", "Yeah, after thinking about it, as I told other redditors, I think if the job suits your lifestyle and you have no debts, it is actually exceptionally well paid.", "That's bad! Not sure whether to up or down vote.", "Lots of people have no family. Could be true. I'm sure he has a home city with some shit there.", "Absolutely brutal. \"I cried last time I had to do this. This time, I hope to be stronger...\" Oh yeh, sorry to inconvenience you with our firing. You wanna know what's really rough? Losing your fucking job during a pandemic!\n\nBetter.com, Be Better.", "And if he pulled everyone in to the office the headline would be “CEO lays off workers in a super spreader event”.", ">are we talking about software developers \n\nAmazon doesn’t run 15 dollar an hour minimum wage campaigns bragging about their great pay in relation to software developers. It seems pretty clear to me that we’re talking about blue collar jobs. Jobs like general laborer ([35/62 wages/total comp](https://www.dir.ca.gov/OPRL/2021-2/PWD/Determinations/Northern/NC-023-102-1.pdf)), truck driver ([37/67](https://www.dir.ca.gov/OPRL/2021-2/PWD/Determinations/Northern/NC-023-261-1.pdf)), forklift operator ([44/76](https://www.dir.ca.gov/OPRL/2021-2/PWD/Determinations/Northern/NC-023-63-1(A).pdf)), and other general factory workers. Factory workers such as those at Deere (not even in CA) starting at [22/hr](https://uaw.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/DEERE-Summary-Revised-Final-bug.pdf) or auto workers [here](https://www.factcheck.org/2008/12/auto-worker-salaries/) (also not CA) making an average of 29/hr in 2008. \n\nFor reference, Amazon is currently hiring independent contractors at around 20 an hour in Northern CA. IC means no labor rights, no health insurance, no employer contributions for retirement, provide your own vehicle, etc. It’s impossible to directly compare to an independent contractors pay to an actual employees pay as they get things like overtime and don’t have to pay for their work vehicle but for the sake of this discussion and simplicity you can compare the employee’s total compensation to the Amazon driver’s pay. 67/hr vs 20. \n\nSo yes, I do find that the difference in pay is often half/double+.", "its how his right hand is on the mouse button ready to bail the moment anything happens.", "I can say confidently I wasn't married to the job, but speaking honestly, it was always a kind of fear I had instilled on me growing up (maybe through TV) that if I was fired or laid off, I was basically a failure. When I grew up I knew that wasn't REALLY the case, but it still fucks with you mentally.\n\nI actually admire your attitude and plan ahead mentality. At the end of the day, these are jobs. We owe them nothing more than they owe us.\n\nBut it's still where the average person spends most of their time Monday-Friday. It's part of your routine. Then it's just \"gone\" not by your choice but by the corporate machine. It's always worse when it's not your choice.\n\nBut alas, the only thing you can do is do your best to find a new livelihood.", "I realize it was long-winded, but did you read the last sentence?", "That’s a long way of reiterating my whole point that treating employees well is still in the best interests of the company and not a moral stance. If it wasn’t beneficial to the company, they wouldn’t do it.", "I'd been working in IT for several years when I saw it. I wasn't laughing nearly as much as the rest of the group (who either weren't in IT, or who had seen the movie already).", "Dammit. Now I want lamb and tacos. Ooh, Mexican/Middle Eastern fusion! Lamb shawarma tacos! Start it with some hummus, then lamb, pico, spritz of lime and some queso fresco... the question is, do you wrap in a tortilla, or pita? Fuck I can make myself hungry.", "Dont worry everyone, the share price has rocketed up. They ONLY had 132 million of investment in 2020.. Compared to 119 in 2019. Any company that has to panic with that amount of money shouldn't be in business. \n\nGo ahead and look at the acquisitions in 2021 such as Property Partner In the uk and the amount of investment in the market before you defend laying of employees in such a manor.. \n\nRemember the South Park episode.. We made record share profits but I'm sorry lol", "I’m fucking rolling dude", "If we got rid of ceos the company would run better and have more profits! ceos are weasels!", "GG buddy, better luck next time 😎", "Do the research about how much the have invested in take overs, unification and the share price. How do you know people were lazy, what's your data point? Looking at your recent post #spam", "It's a troll.", "Yea, i can see that it would hurt for sure \n\nI grew up poor. I had no home for awhile at one point. I didn't really get any instruction on how to be a person, cook, get a place to live, etc. \n\nIt took a long time to get life figured out a little bit. I won't be caught out again i hope. \n\nI hope you landed on your feet.", "I guess we got lucky. We just closed with Better as our lender and the process was pretty easy. We were assigned to a particular team of people, so when we called or emailed with questions, it was always the same people emailing back. They were on the west coast, so as long as we were communicating when they were in the office, we got immediate or very quick responses. I liked that their website has a list of things you need to do, and uploading documents in the right place was pretty seamless. \n\nI swear I’m not writing an ad for Better. Lol, I’m just a happy customer.", "Damn I'm so happy that my realtor was awesome and gave amazing connections with lawyers/lenders at regional banks.\n\nWe may have paid more in fees (about 4k) but it was not at all a hassle for us and we got an amazing rate.", "Was Randy Marsh giving the presentation?:\n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZ1CGD8Rlv8", "I did, in a much better place in life now (still think I have some lingering post-trauma from it, my posts make it more than evident to me but I'm much happier in life now).\n\nI'm glad you landed on your feet too", "If you're a good manager tho the person should know it's coming tbh... firing with cause I mean, especially performance based.\n\nEvery place I've worked it takes a decent amount to get fired for performance reasons.", "Getting investments from outside sources is a super common practice, my company did it. If handled appropriately it gives a company more cash runway without needing layoffs.", "They had some hiccups when they made a big push to move everything into their online portal, but I've had good experiences with them since then. Having said that, I have heard more than one realtor mention excruciating problems with them in some attempted transactions, probably related to the approval process, which I do not play a role in. \n\nWhen the slew of job losses happened at the beginning of the pandemic, many lenders (including Quicken-now-Rocket) ratcheted up their employment verification requirements e.g. needing frequent live phone verification with borrower's employer of their continued employment and heavily scrutinizing anything less than long-held, full-time employment at one job.", "Softbank gave them $750 million which increases their cash reserves to $1 billion. \n\nYou make it sound like they have $1 billion in cash reserve and they got an extra 750 million which is incorrect. \n\nRegardless it’s business, it’s capitalism. It absolutely sucks but it is what it is.", "Thanks!", "I’m not going to spend Saturday night proving inflation to you. Go Google US Inflation news or go touch grass and ask around. Good luck mate", "Growing? The mortgage market is declining. I’m not sure what you’re looking at", "He says it’s a productivity thing. These employees are lucky to get any lay off package", "Did that person get something for being fired?", "I was wondering why people were so upset so I appreciate this insight. I never even thought about those little details you talked about. Like they said in Money Ball, \"just rip it off like a bandaid\".", "Once again, go look at the investment laid out at the company. In the year previous they had 100m investment. If you cant run a business after 200m and not make a profit... \n\n\nI appreciate the bots right now [https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/09/better-acquires-property-partner/?guccounter=1](https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/09/better-acquires-property-partner/?guccounter=1)\n\n&#x200B;\n\ngo", "You don't have to prove inflation exists, because that's not what I asked. What I asked you was, to find some sort of proof linking the inflation of \"goods\" (which you still have yet to provide any context to what that means. Does oatmeal cost more? Copper wires? Shoes? Drivetrains?) to the stimulus checks. How do you know that happened? \"Everybody's saying it\" isn't proof. I can just say that everybody's saying I'm the kind of England, but that doesn't make it true. \n\nAdditionally, I asked you to provide proof to your claim that that UBI doesn't work, which you countered to my claim (with proof) that it indeed does. But of course, you don't have any proof of either besides \"everybody's saying it, all the best people are telling me it's true,\" so I know you won't say anything. \n\nOh well, keep believing that UBI doesn't work, despite mountains of proof and facts saying otherwise! Please don't vote in the next election. Bye!", "Their business, not the mortgage market. A company doesn't get almost a billion dollars if it's about to be allowed to go under.", "Investment has nothing to do with profitability. Those investors expect a return and if he is not on pace for that return overhead cuts must happen. This is how business works.", "Their business is mortgage origination. \n\nThey did a billion dollars in net income ? Are you talking about revenue? How much revenue did Enron have?", "Yeah, this guy did everything you’re not suppose to do in a firing. He made it about him. That’s the biggest no no when letting someone go. \n\nSource: I’ve had to let people go in corporate America.", "You should really read the book A Paradise Built in Hell: The Extraordinary Communities That Arise in Disaster as well as books on Mutual Aid, because humans are not as self-interested as you're led to believe and you are conflating the consequences of our current political and economic system are just inherent in human nature.", "I’d also like to see Murt do this.", "When he says last time I cried but I hope to be stronger…. Anyone else find that really insulting?", "I don't think it's that sickening. This guy has found a niche and is able to make a living off it. I'd be more pissed at the company for spending resources on someone to tell people they've been laid off instead of saving that money, maybe saving an extra person's job, and having the balls to tell people themselves.", "Are you familiar with Clever? Dealt with them in your work? Have a similar summary for them? Been thinking of applying for a job there.", "I find this seemed sincere.", "Yeah, local banks are the way to go. Not that anyone (especially first time buyers) thinks about the feeding frenzy of closing costs a few months down the line, but some local banks don’t charge the $400-600 many banks charge by having their “own” law firm referral prepare and review mortgage documents, so the buyer is paying two different lawyers at closing.", "I was at a company for years that got shut down and sent overseas.\nThe management gave the foremen printed sheets with this big speel and the foreman reading it said \"company is moving to India were all fucked out of our jobs\"\nThat was it, easy to understand and straight to the point.", "He rather lay off 15% of the workers than taking 15% pay cut.", "I did, and I also just re-read to be sure.\n\nHow many borrowers change lenders due to delays at closing? Given the choice, I would imagine the vast majority of borrowers would not make the switch if the delay is less than 10 days. So my assertion is that this discomfort doesn't impact customer retention, as there are plenty of first-time customers and repeat business is a very long term issue in mortgages.\n\nAgain, I'm not saying this is good. I am suggesting that shady companies are fine with partner and customer discomfort until it actually impacts sales.", "You should have replied with, \"I'M ON MY WAY TO SHOOT THE PLACE UP - this is what I wish I could do but but unfortunately, just fuck off.\"", "Bird scooters did this too.", "So he should have turned the business into a charity and not laid anyone off? Or he should have gone over to 1000+ houses with a muffin basket and apology letter?", "Hahaha! Nice!", "These work from home people are going to continue getting laid off as they can hire anyone from any country to work remotely. Why would they pay you to sit around in your jammies and do very little work when they can pay someone in another county very little to do a lot of work.", "This is bullshit. take the boot out of your mouth.", "I did too. My mortgage changed hands so many different times between so many “specialists” and when there was a severe storm, that did no damage to the property, they couldn’t get surveyor to inspect the property. Ultimately, our agent was able to take timestamped photos of the property and Better accepted those but our closing was still delayed two times over the course of two weeks. They then sold our mortgage (which I understand that’s how the business works) to AmeriHome who sends paper statements and other communication via mail (even though I opted for paperless) which is mildly infuriating.", "nice", "To be fair at least you were informed you didn't get the position. Too many companies just reject and leave it at that without even notifying.", "My mental stamina is a lot better without the commute. I can put in 7am-6pm from home like it’s nothing, but in the office I hit a 2pm slump without a second wind. The dread of how far away I am from home is annoying.", "It’s a fact the pharmaceutical companies have no risk, keep defending billionaires, coward.", ">As someone who talked to one of their sales people about getting a mortgage my experience was extreme negative. Their sales people are rude and do the typical sales tactics \n\nI got a pre-approval through them and it was pretty quick and fine experience. I'm not sure if the entire process would have gone as smoothly as I didn't go with them.\n\nAs for the sales tactics thing... I'll second your sentiment. If you got a better offer with a traditional mortgage broker the usual conversation is, \"I got a better offer.\" \"Can I see if I can beat it?\" \"Sure it was so and so %\" \"yeah, sorry. Can't do anything. Good luck in your purchase.\"\n\nRocket mortgage will try to still sell you three ways to Sunday on the mortgage and other products", "Thirty minutes after the call where he fired everyone, he had a call with the rest of us and did the same fucking thing. If you…. Are in this call… you….. are part of… the lucky group. \nTf I ain’t lucky, your management sucks, has 0 management experience, doesn’t know what they’re talking about, and puts you on improvement plans just for disagreeing with anything. A lot of us thought he was cool from all the meetings we’ve been in with him but holy shit, we’re all diving deep now and discovering a lot about him while we prepare to jump ship.", "As someone who’s new to investing I’ve wondered how I’ll determine if somebody’s a good CEO. I haven’t worked it out yet, but this guy is on my brand new list: ‘CEOs I will keep my money well away from’", "Sounds like every MBA disaster. Clowns have zero experience and get treated like their degree is all that matters.", "That's not what I mean by process. \n\nIf you want to build a house, you need to go submit your plans to the city, which has someone who looks at your plans and approves them. Then you have all the different trades that follow building codes, best practices, etc. \n\nIf you live in the bush, you can build a house without any of those things but it's going to be much much less safe.", "It’s weird how these mega corporations have made a killing while middle class Americans have lost their livelihood. The left is clinging on to Covid, it’s like you guys want people to die so you can complain about people that don’t want to take part in an experiment. Bitch and moan about racism while the African Americans are the most unvaccinated in the country. They don’t trust billionaires and neither should you. \nThe government has a horrible track record about caring for the little guy by sending us to unnecessary wars over lies. Vietnam and Iraq is a perfect example. They didn’t care about us then and they sure as hell don’t care about us now. Stop clinging to Covid like it’s a real pandemic, it’s fucking not. A real pandemic would consist of dead bodies on the streets and people would be begging for a vaccine. That’s not the case, the tv can fear monger all they want, we aren’t buying it anymore.", "Cry more you welfare sucking unemployed drain on society.", "Worked at an ice cream shop during the height of the pandemic. Ran the store by myself at age 17 for months before they hired anybody knew. Manager wouldn't buy me a new mop bucket when ours broke. I was unable to mop our sticky floors for over a month. Ceo caught wind and the manager threw me, my SO, and the rest of my team under the bus. I quit moments before they fired everyone on staff and said they were closing. They're still open to this day. Reminds me of that.", "I suppose the smartest thing would be to invest in an apt or two and rent them out. Maybe have a storage locker with stuff for when they do settle down?", "What's that mean for consumers or someone who wants to refinance", "Bought my first home this year, I am a millennial so naturally I put a lot of trust in these big internet loan firms. I called quicken loans hoping that I’d just close the deal with a good rate. Was a huge mistake, their rate was not competitive and they wanted me to pay for points to “match”. Sales person was nice but a little aggressive, pushing me to close on the loan immediately without giving me a chance to shop around or even think things over. Things took a turn for the worse when I politely declined their offer and they transferred my account (I was prequalified) to a manager and guy literally sent me an email aggressively and point blank told me I wasted their time. I will never deal with this predatory loan business ever again.", "That's pretty ruthless, sorry you had to experience that. I am curious, in a situation like this, where they're clearly just firing you so they can use your content/ideas while saving money not having to keep you employed, would you rather they just be brutally honest and admit that's exactly what they're doing? It's unethical either way but maybe the full honesty of it would feel a bit better, idk.", "Means rates are going up", "I mean, I salute your \"fuck you\" to that company....but didn't you get boned out of unemployment benefits?", "Damn.", "Air bnb a place, yea.", "Other than the cringy “I cried when I did this last time” bullshit, what else do you guys expect him to do?\n\n\nCalls like this should be quick and to the point, not to drag it on and make it excruciating. If I am getting laid off, I don’t want to hear bullshit sob story, I want it to be short, quick and find out what the severance benefits are because I am looking for a new job right after that meeting is over.\n\n\nMay be everyone is upset his voice is very robotic? \n\nI have listened in on may be 3 layoff announcements in my career so far, and every single one of them is very similar. One time, the boss actually cried, he had to let go people who were at the company fo 15+ years and his long time friends. As expected, I jumped ship just after that shitshow.", "Haha yes because everyone who disagrees with you must be on welfare. Nobody with a job, education, and property could ever want what's best for everyone! \n\nIgnorant fool", "I'm sorry you had that experience. I promise, not all companies operate like that. Did you end up going with someone local or did you find another online company?", "They let you have internet service in there?", "If Americans only knew how much of its Tech Industry’s business/jobs/skills and training is outsourced to India, or Indians living in the US, you would literally Boycott these companies. American business and jobs worth Hundreds of Billions of $ has been outsourced out of America to India in the last 30 years. Meanwhile, American kids are not given the opportunity to learn, train, and earn livable salaries, kids often have to choose less paying jobs. The greed of these companies companies who sell their internet products and services in America while paying 1/10 of the labor they would pay here is as worse as Big Pharma, NRA, banking, Oil or any other industry. Too bad Americans have just accepted all this.", "I decided to go with the builders recommended lender, they work with a well known loan company. The loan officer was patient and answered my questions without being pushy, even when I told him I was shopping around and considering other loan offers. I think it is because he was not commission based.", "If they had planned to fire me after 4 weeks from the outset, like I suspect was the case, I don't think it would've mattered if they told me or not. I'd still feel used and betrayed, doubly because the founding philosophy of the fucking brewery was that good beer and a shared space can bring people together.\n\nThe thing that really burns me is that they didn't even bother making up a believable lie, or one that I had no way of disproving. The reason they gave for shitcanning me was publicly refuted less than an hour after I got fired.\n\nThe only scenarios that make sense are that a) they were, in fact, scheming the whole time to hire and fire me to get work for cheap during a busy time for them, b) they didn't do the requisite planning to realize that they couldn't afford a full-time member of staff to do that work, or c) that they had been lying to my face the whole time about loving my work and only bothered posting stuff after I left because \"Well we paid for it, might as well use it.\" No matter which one it is, they were either lying through their teeth or incredibly short-sighted from a business point-of-view, and neither of those is indicative of a place I'd want to work.\n\nJoke's on them, though. I got hired at another job within a week of being fired that pays better and is salaried rather than hourly, has better hours, and provides benefits.", "The way the CEO handles himself and talks in this call makes me understand why they are underperforming. He has no idea how to lead a company", "Lmfao", "Not run his company into the ground and have to lay off 15% of his workforce before Christmas. 🤷‍♂️", "God I was hoping he would say \" I know you guys will be in a better place\" xD", "I was fired like this in a conference room but after the meeting I was pulled aside and told that I would be staying on. I was relieved but also pissed because why the fuck would you have me in that meeting? It was a roller coster of emotions.", "99% of the time the highest paid employees at a company will cannibalize a large % of the bottom paid employees when revenue is down. large companies are designed in such a way that even if 100% of essential staff is fired, the top dogs protected their paychecks until the very last minute then the company files bankruptcy and then they find something else to do.", "You can't choose what banks you use? I'm not from the US but in Australia you can choose an ethical fund if you don't mind making less.", "So, don't refinance? Buy bonds or something idk?", "Depends what your goal is for refinancing. You can still refinance. Just wasn’t as good as before.", "Not all. But generally speaking if you can bootstrap it i recommend it.\n\nNot every start up path for a company is ideal.\n\nSorry if the implication came off as every company go our route. But that wasnt my intent. In my life, with my company, bootstrapping is the route.\n\nIf someone wants to surrender control of their company to others its on them.", "It is pretty hard to find a system where no-one has to work to survive. It's the same under socialism too:\n\n> In the USSR work is a duty and a matter of honor for every able-bodied citizen, in accordance with the principle: \"He who does not work, neither shall he eat\".\n\n> Article 12 of the 1936 Soviet Constitution\n\nWe've got a long way to go until we hit Star Trek post-scarcity and this is no longer true.", "I also give him credit for showing his face. The CEO is ultimately responsible for the decision to lay people off, but I've never seen a ceo own up to it when there were layoffs at a company I worked for.", "What's the difference between a mortgage broker and a mortgage lender? When I bought my house I went with an online lender because they gave me a huugely lower rate than I could get with anyone locally.", "The only issue I have with them is they make you sign a document that says they're allowed to sell all of the personal information you provide to them to third parties. I refused to sign it, and I still got spammed with tons of ads in the weeks following my refinance, and continue to get more to this day.", "Fuck this CEO. some ceo gave a company survey and choose a company wide paycut or cutbacks. Paycuts were voted by 99% of individuals to spare the occupations of others.", "The movie Roger and Me comes to mind.", "unionize.", "So you live in the Bizzaro universe?", "Absolute power corrupts.", "I think I found my niche. Who do I talk to about firing someone today?", "These are the people who cheer on Republicans blocking programs that would create millions of jobs.", "I prefer to be fired while in bed with a warm cup of milk. And I need my CEO to treasure me like the butterfly I am", "Ok buddy if ur so good at business go make moola den", "I cried last time so I do have empathy, honest", "If you have a Schwab account, Rocket is great. I’ve worked with several excellent people there and was offered great rates. No hiccups and plenty of experience. Your results may vary.", "Whatever! Get over it!", "Now that's just a loaded question.", "Both can true, it’s not really a competition. Something’s suck for all those involved.", "my company had cutbacks a long time back and attempted to do it exclusively with supervisors, timing was off, the word got out, and branches that were closing got devastated..", "A mortgage broker is someone who works with you to help you find a good mortgage for you, and thus they usually work very well to help you find the lowest rate for the situation you're looking for (for a commission, which is baked into the rate you get). A mortgage lender is the company the mortgage broker talks to in order to find out whether they are a suitable mortgage lender to give you a mortgage.", "Modern day George Costanza.", "I was exaggerating, but honestly you see a lot of this on Reddit. People on the popular threads saying things like companies shouldn't exist.", "My time is very valuable. However, this company is operating a growth model, they lose tens of millions of dollars a year and that's part of the business plan. \n\nThey are trying to grow as quick as possible to a point at which they probably get economies of scale or become so large that it's hard for competitors to take market share.\n\nIf they didn't lay off employees, they may have a situation where the whole business does not achieve their goals and everyone loses their jobs. Which would you say is better?\n\nIt is worth noting that people cannot expect the same level of job security from every company. A massively loss making, fast-growing company in a highly competitive industry with little barrier to entry is probably a relatively risky place to work at.", "Yeah because THEY AND YOU WORK AT JOBS WHERE YOU ARE EXPENDABLE GARBAGE. You probably dont even have above a bachelors degree. Theres a reason why its easy for them to fire a bunch of replaceable idiots at minimum wage paying jobs( i guarantee these jobs that lay off people so easily pay less than $40 an hour). Just admit reality. They wont fire a doctor so easily", "Ooooh, another \"tech solutions\" startup who's business strategy is to burn investor money in a giant pile until none of it is left. I love these!", "Well right, in theory it's not human nature, but in practical application most people that actually exist in America and many other industrialized nations are self centered. In indigenous societies obviously the entire foundation was being community centered.", "The default state of the universe is entropy. Life requires a harnessing of that entropy to exist. Hunger is normal, your feast is the extreme. You are only able to entertain the idea of non-scarcity because you sit atop a pyramid of work that has been done for you, but which you fail to acknowledge at your own peril.\n\nEntropy owns you. Succumb to it and all that’s left is entropy. Life is work.", "It sounds like you worked for brewdog", "This is why you train and practice at things, and one of the reasons why HR exists.\n\nAlso, this isn't really a layoff-specific thing, this is more of a communication thing, and that's the sort of thing a CEO should have a lot more practice and skill at.", "Yeah, sorry, busy doing RL things", "Yeah, had other things to do.\n\nThe main issue is about his poor communication skills, body language, and tone. He hasn't practiced enough on his messaging, so he has to think about what he's saying and went off on tangents. All those \"ums\" and pauses and such were unnecessary. It's all right if some slip out, but when they are long and followed by pauses, that's poor communication skills for someone at C-level.\n\nHe led off saying it was bad news, but then spent a lot of time talking about himself and his reaction and feelings. Took him a while to finally tell people they were laid off. About 1.5 mins IIRC, don't care enough to recheck. Probably should have gotten that down to about 30-45s. You really need to minimize that time of uncertainty, ESPECIALLY in a situation like this where the employees don't know if they are in the \"safe\" group or not.\n\n* bad news, difficult decision\n* company is doing layoffs\n* you are affected\n* severance details\n* support and resources\n* q&a\n\nSometimes I've also seen work well, pre-covid, is to have people's immediate manager do the layoff in person, but that's usually for smaller scale ones. With larger ones like this, they seem to usually be kept fairly secret since they don't want leaks or rumors.", "LOL that's pretty impatient of you. What kind of \"I have plans tonight\" would have those plans end at 6pm? I know you don't know my time zone, but I thought the implication was pretty clear.\n\nYou need a better social life if that's what time your evening plans typically end.\n\nAnyhow, replied to a different comment.", "Spoiler: they didn't wait very long", "Because it’s about his experience. It makes the message about him. The last thing you want to hear when you are being fired is “poor CEO, he almost cried because it was so difficult” - he just lost credibility of what you expect a CEO or a leader to express in this context. What I would want to hear is clear reasons and the extent to which he fought for me, instead I get a moaning child that is overwhelmed by his own emotions and therefore actually presenting fragile. It’s not containing.\n\nEdit: btw I’m not suggesting there sth wrong with showing emotions, I’d expect him to show emotions but related to the people who are affected and for whom he is responsible. And he mostly is showing emotions that relate to his personal experience. That’s the difference.", "Totally agree. Just jaded being a wage slave under a corporation and have dealt with a lot of shiftiness.", "Most people are assholes trying to hide it by virtue signaling about doing the right thing. Disgusting parasitic fucks.", "Ahhh so let you’re staff work remote until you lay them off- then you make them go into the office specifically to get fired. Makes sense. That would go over.", "Ya I was going to say this too. 40k doesnt sound like a lot but if you are living out of hotels and eating on the corporate dime. Your expenses would be pretty low.", "TIL better.com exists", "You should almost never have loyalty to your employer.", "It sucks a fat one to get laid off, & especially with only a month of severance. But this is exactly the type of shit that happens with a business that's still in funding, pre-IPO, & in an industry as volatile as mortgages. Better.com may weather the downturn & evolve into a more stable business. But then you take a couple minutes to read about the CEO & it feels a little gross.", "Good luck in the wars to come prick.", "Good luck fighting with a broken down body lol", "Lmfao you don’t lean right. But that’s the typical response from a Reddit user with no rebuttal. “You’re a nut job.” 😂😂 My wife was never political and even she can see these politicians are bat shit crazy. Mandatory vaccines for 99.7% survival rate. Put two and two together, the elites are getting more money and more power because of this. They don’t give a shit about your health my guy.", "No response lol. Always hilarious watching losers like this get talked into a corner only to bail on the conversation", "They do use bots, a lot of them. They’re all over the internet. A perfect example is scam bots on YouTube. You know, the crypto ones. They carry on a conversation with each other about so and so person is a great trader. I’ve watched good due diligence on super stonk and WSB get downvoted to hell. They’re on here dude.", "Ahh fair dos.\n\nYou are right though, if a company can avoid initial outside investment somehow then that is definitely the preferable way of starting a company.", "https://fortune.com/2021/12/03/better-com-ceo-attacks-laid-off-employees-blind-message-board/", "Yeah, it’s bots downvoting people to hell. You can’t comment with a conservative view point or you get downvoted leading to not be able to comment on anything political or you won’t be able to comment on anything at all. It makes it seem like the users are all liberal when that’s not the case. The Donald was the biggest sub Reddit on Reddit and what happened? They got rid of it.", "It's a synechdoche that caught on when videoconferencing exploded in 2020.", "Hahahahah...That's marvelous.", "Denial. Lmfao,have good day.", "Luckier next time.... I wonder how lucky this guy is....\n\n\nAnd how that luck isn't going to help him out of this.", "I prefer this route looking at the past experience with start ups.\n\nWith the first company i helped get off the ground, theyre still bouncing around looking for true investors, meanwhile everyone who sees our motion prediction tech immediately see a use case in their business, so theyre hanging on by customizing it for different services. Started with drowning prevention and weather prediction, but they focus on agriculture when i think they should go for dod funding.\n\nThe second has had investors, but their industry with manufacturing means owners are almost stupid hesitant to open up their machines, even for maintenance, especially to outsiders. But their tech could through brownian motion prediction of currents through the plc detect a hacking or compromised part. So for a factory facing mechanical failure at any time, you would think they would want the service.\n\nBut they just got another round of funding, after furloughing half their workforce during covid, and bringing most back on board.\n\nI love their tenacity, but i watched their ceo grow old in his 40s from the stress.\n\nAnd then the last company went pure toxic, had series a funding during their seed round, so are going for 20 mil as their actual round A. They have 19 subscribers, no revenue coming in. CEO just wants an exit, so hes basically framing a lie. Their tech is not functional, and is in the third month of dev, 3 years into operating.\n\nI dont want to be like the last for sure, even if i had funding. Which is possible. We can tokenize and crowdsource, and we already have a market and presales in order.\n\nIf i can keep doing it this way, where it feels fun, and i can pursue a philosophy of ethical capitalism i want to. I believe workers should get a direct return on the products they build, keeping half for the company, and giving them salary and % of the SaaS sales scaled to their contributions.\n\nI want to try something new, and i dont really care about being rich. Too many blue collar jobs growing up as i drifted around in life until now. \n\nI just want to make sure my contributions to the world are positive, scale the company as we explore new markets, and take care of the people i work with.\n\nBesides, the real market i want to orient blockchain and ai toward is asteroid mining, so we have 40 years realistically before that commercializes. I figure with patience and ethics, and not chasing the dollar while making sure we can keep growing... maybe itll be fruitful.", "There is a possibility that reasonable regulation can occur. In fact the banking industry has significant regulation that, while not perfect, allows for significant consumer protection. \n\nYour argument appears to be the Nirvana logical fallacy that suggests if something is not perfect it’s worthless. Perhaps you should offer your suggestion for a perfect solution ?", "That’s a ridiculous exaggeration. People in the Congo fight tooth and nail for basic survival. You merely have to strive. If you suggest otherwise then you need to show data that supports the idea that a majority of people in America fight tooth and nail for basic survival because if you can’t then you are choosing something that hobbles you. \n\nHonestly , if you have an IPhone, then you are NOT fighting tooth and nail. Jesus, that’s the most expensive phone on the market.\n\nI’m sorry but you metabolize and thus you will always work. You will never be completely free to do what you want without effort.", "People who get laid off and get pissed just have first world expectations of permanent guaranteed employment. \n\nBeing laid off is bad but you can find another job. I’m sorry but you will always work as long as you eat. The nature of what people will pay you to do will always change.", "There's no clean way of saying it but much of Silicon Valley is currently being run by born in india CEOs that are fucking ruthless when it comes to business, and lack even the basic tactfulness of previous generation of CEOs who somehow look much more benevolent and less awful(even though 90s-10s CEOs sucked too.)", "The only thing I have to compare to is that anyone I know that has been terminated for laid off didn’t receive severance or benefits at all\n\nAnd I’m assuming most of these jobs were decent paying jobs. If people live within their means and make decent money, one month pay and 3 months of benefits should keep it from completely ruining your life\n\nAnd if the pay is shit, those jobs are a dime a dozen and always hiring, so you’re not out anything anyway", "My lord dude, you need to get off the internet for a while.\n\nThe edit was a joke", "Ah okay, the presenter was nervous.\n\nYes, this happens", "I was literally off the internet for 15 hours or so there. You need to tune your material to be relevant to the situation.", "I could 100% do this job if my life went a little differently and I didn't have my family to think about.", "Alright well have a good day", "Plenty of great Indian CEOs as well that aren't really like you describe. Two that come to mind are Pichai from Google and Nadella from Microsoft - especially Nadella, Microsoft has done a complete 180 in its trajectory since he took position. Both worked their way from up from being project managers or engineers.", "Did you miss this part?\n\n> FOR COMMERCIAL BUILDING, HIGHWAY, HEAVY CONSTRUCTION AND DREDGING PROJECTS\n\nOr that these are entirely different industries? What do factory auto workers have to do with Amazon delivery drivers, especially a flex driver who doesn't need a CDL?\n\n> It’s impossible to directly compare to an independent contractors pay to an actual employees pay as they get things like overtime and don’t have to pay for their work vehicle but for the sake of this discussion and simplicity you can compare the employee’s total compensation to the Amazon driver’s pay. 67/hr vs 20.\n\nIt is, so why are you comparing independent contractor wages with established industries who have labor unions, completely different careers, and more involved hiring processes?\n\n> So yes, I do find that the difference in pay is often half/double+.\n\nI mean, only if your claim is trying to compare completely different fields. Steel workers make double+ what a fast food worker makes too. It's not a useful comparison and it's telling that you aren't comparing similar jobs because you won't be able to find the stats you claimed. If you look at delivery driver stats, you get an average of ~$40k which is right on par with your claim of $20/hr. Your claim is extremely disingenuous. Compare the same job title maybe at least?", "What??", "I'm a minority. They treated me fine. Most of them are just confused as dudes.", ">miss\n\nNo, I didn’t “miss” anything. Those are all wages from the same jobs in the same area. See the job titles. Something like “forklift operator” or “driver” is pretty self explanatory.\n\n>different industries\n\n>fast food workers\n\nSo you think that labor intensive tasks involving dangerous heavy equipment more closely aligns with flipping burgers then with people in construction, transportation, manufacturing, etc who have the same job titles and responsibilities? \n\n> what do factory workers have to do with delivery drivers\n\nI gave you factory workers to compare to “factory” workers and drivers to compare to drivers (amongst many other job titles.) That is how blue collar jobs work. Job title = your task. It’s fairly straight forward and easy to compare pay for jobs. \n\n>doesn’t need a CDL\n\nDo you think teamsters (referenced) all need CDLs? Do you think all truck drivers are compensated hourly? (hint: many CDL drivers are paid by the mile) I gave you numbers that were as close as possible to an “apples to apples” comparison.\n\n>why are you comparing independent contractors\n\nBecause the total compensation package I referenced for you includes things like health insurance, retirement, etc. Independent contractors must pay for those things themselves. So for the sake of simplicity I choose easy to reference numbers which are most comparable and still err in favor of your argument.\n\n>have labor union\n\nAnd how do you find this relevant? What is this supposed to me?\n\n>Completely different careers\n\nThey are the same jobs with the same titles and similar (if not the same) responsibilities.\n\n>Flex driver\n\n> delivery driver stats\n\nSeems like you are trying to compare modern gig work to other gig work rather than long established professional career paths. Which is a large part of the issue that I intended to address. Tech companies (Uber is another example) are attempting to source labor from entirely different industries (ie “burger flippers”) and offer them the “flexibility” of only working part time (or even better as an independent contractor so that they don’t have to follow labor laws or even pay things like SS tax) at a “wage” that’s only competitive with their current job. They aren’t even attempting to compete with wages for employees with a job history that reflects the kind of work that they want to hire for. \n\nSince we are on the subject of other gig work I can tell you that UPS started hiring seasonal “flex” style gig drivers for the holiday rush and their jobs posting show pay starting at 32 an hour plus 56 cents a mile. That’s still a bad deal imo (contractors always get fucked) but it’s a considerably better deal than Amazon.\n\nAnd now that all that’s out of the way I have to give you some shit. \n\n>more involved hiring process\n\nLmao. What?! The hiring process for these jobs usually works like this: You walk onto a construction site and tell them you want a job and they’ll tell you to pick up a shovel. That’s the whole deal. Or maybe someone you know references you. Or maybe if you’re union the company will call the hall and tell the hall that they need someone and the hall sends someone out. No job application. No resume. No interviews.", "its hard to say if he can save those jobs with his bonus or how long they can even be employed for after.\n\nYou have to cut something and lower metrics might mean less investor funding resulting in even larger cuts.", "Agree to disagree I suppose", "We had the same issue and the poor lady who came to our house Christmas Eve to do the closing had to leave for another appointment and come back and stay till 8:30-9:00 to do it. \n\nBUT, I will say that the rate they gave beat out every other company and the process up until that point was smooth. \n\nSo, I just chalked it upto some last minute unforeseen crap. And not like I refinance every year, so just one hiccup was fine by me.", "Lol, How do so many people Agree with this? This is a terrible way to lay someone off too. It’s basically the same thing this guy is doing but without the fake empathy. It sounds so corporate and makes it seem like you aren’t even a person, just a number. You might as well just say “We regret to inform you that you are terminated immediately”. Why even add all the “shifts in the market blah blah” bullshit. If I’m getting fired, I don’t give a shit why.", "https://youtu.be/iGOQTLkN_Ok", "I would say if it was at a large enough scale, it was probably small groups all at the same time while the employees not being fired are receiving the news about cutbacks.\n\nIn my first job after graduating uni, I witnessed my first mass firing and it was eye-opening. The organization had a security guard standing at the door as you badged in, and if you were being let go, they told you to go into the conference room to the left where they made the announcement, processed your paperwork, took your badge, and sent you home. Being in Tech, I understand why they have to do it quickly since many employees have access to sensitive and critical processes. However, that was the day my mindset about work and company loyalty changed—companies do not deserve any loyalty from employees until they have earned it. Full stop.", "Nah, legal action.", "It takes a week to sell a house in your area? Jeez, it really is slowing down. I have several stories of people I know here selling their houses before business hours begin the day that it's supposed to be listed for 20k over asking while having all inspections waived.", "My wife got laid off together with around 80% of the rest of the employees at her job a couple of months ago. They had a series of support sessions leading up to the everybody-knows-its-coming mass lay-off. Wifey likened it to kicking someone in the balls, then patting them on the back and telling them it's not that bad, just walk it off.", "Seriously, these comments are creepy as fuck. Do americans really prefer acting and manipulation over direct speech that much?", "Thank you! Fight for worker's rights! Fight for unions!", "Lol except most of us don't sign up for it, we're stuck living here and don't have a choice. Sounds like we need to increase worker's rights and unions again.", "HR DOES NOT support employees. They're there to help the company, they aren't your friends", "Well the employees he said that got fired were only working 2.5 hours a day while clocking in 8 hours… seems totally fair, don’t be mad you got fired for not doing your job", "its usually the ones that are the biggest virtue signalers, too\n\nthey care about anything except the guy next door because thats not trendy", "its not down the shitter its just a different culture\n\nif your the family type its not for you. if you dont give a shit about anything but yourself and money its ok", "I mean the culture of caring about the employee rather than exploiting them as much as possible to get the best possible profitability. That's going down the shitter. The company profitability is probably going way up.", "thats why you only work the minimum required so you can have a side hustle", "thats why they are the bosses though\n\nthats the whole point of being big dick energy\n\nbecause women only fuck winners", "Why don't companies try to find some other roles for atleast some of the employees who can fit", " [Also according to this article, one of the female executives... ](https://www.thedailybeast.com/bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg-threatened-to-burn-his-business-partner-alive-now-hes-a-billionaire)\n\n> Elana Knoller, was given stock options potentially worth tens of millions of dollars. Unlike normal employee packages, it vested immediately. It isn’t clear how much the board knew in advance.\n\n> She also received at least $8,000 per month for two homes, including one in Puerto Rico, and other perks. \n\nWhat a slap in the face to all employees. You know she was sleeping with him.", "\\^ This, exactly.\n\nI had a smaller, regionally located company handle my mortgage. They got gobbled up by Freedom Financial, and holy shit, it became a nightmare, as they pretty much required me to refinance, wanted to charge me close to $8,000 to refinance, which would have made my mortgage on a higher variable loan. Sent them document over document and they kept losing them. One of their managers that \"oversaw\" my case, called me and got rude with me, claiming I never sent over documents to her team. Wouldn't change her term even when I sent her the emails to her team that contained them. Fuck that noise. \n\nCalled my CU, also local, they got me a lower term, smaller payment, and only around $2k for closing.", "Yeah, it’s time to bail. NOW!", "Dude is a grade A narcissistic jerk off. Wow. I’m a narcissist but that dude has me beat by a mile.", "Honestly, what you just said is better than pretending to give a shit.", "I’ve already started searching. Problem is, I’m in sales and was super chuffed to get a great base salary with bonuses and full benefits. It’s gonna be hard to find that since most sales positions are 100% commission. It’s not too much a problem, but having insurance covered and daycare paid for as well as a stable check really is nice and I’m not ready to let that go yet. Seems like I won’t have a choice in the coming months, though 🙃", "Cocaine is a helluva drug", "Good luck interviewing. I always give advice to apply to jobs even you know you don’t want. The first couple interviews help you get rid of the nerves. Best of luck to you.", "Hey I just wanted to offer that if anybody is looking for a job right now especially due to the holiday layoffs then I can help so please reach out because I just can’t even imagine what it would feel like not to have a job for the holiday season and I know this happens all around the world", ">To add to this don't fire/layoff someone on a Friday.\n\nWhy? I can take Saturday morning to fill my unemployment online form and then spend the rest of the weekend having fu... Ah, I forgot, I live in Europe. We have this thing called \"good unemployment support\" here.", ">we don't all give money to every homeless person we meet on the street.\n\nWe do here in the First World, we pay taxes. That's why we practically don't have homeless people. In the neocon US in the other hand....", "Agreed, although I wouldn't mind some severance pay. After all, money is the main reason I work", "That's incredibly gross. I can't imagine being a part of a corporation and getting up there and doing that in front of people. You'd have to be a soulless ghoul.", "I worked at a place where lower performers were almost seen as a safety net, like \"as long as Bob is still here, I won't get fired, because he's awful\". Somehow, some of the less egregious, but still poor-performing, employees would get fired while the bottom of the barrel people are STILL there. \n\n\nIt's nice to think that it takes a decent amount, but I've worked with people who literally fell asleep at their desks and weren't fired, while people who were a bit scattered, but coachable, got the boot.", "you know things are in trouble when the put the nice TP in the bathroom. the execs only use 6 ply and if they run out they just use entry level employees.", "It doesn't.", "Please do not patronize this business. Please. Their prequalification letter is GREAT- the bees’ knees- the seller accepted my offer with the better.com prequal letter, but that’s about as far as you will go before the pain and frustrations will set in.\n\nYou never talk to the same person. Each call is like calling for the first time. Nobody seems to be trained beyond what you can find for yourself by googling it.\n\nI went 25 days into my offer and got absolutely nowhere with Better, then changed brokerages and started over. Lucky for me, the sellers were wonderfully patient.\n\nI know the rates are great- but it’s a gamble: about 66% chance something will be amiss, and closing will be delayed, and it will be the most stressful moment of your adult life. It happened to me, as you will see with numerous reviews stating the same if you research reviews. \n\nI had my proof of income, employment, bank records, 720+ credit score, minimali debt, no collections, 10% down on a house that was 30% below my max budget, and nobody could do anything for me. I was a lay-down. Ready to go! My real broker couldn’t believe it.\n\nAhhhh- I could save a few thou! it won’t happen to me! I said. But it did. And nothing was saved, just time wasted.\n\nDo yourself, your sanity, and humanity a favor- and AVOID BETTER. No matter what.\n\nAnd tar and feather this spineless CEO.", "The show is ova!", "Sociopaths only shed crocodile tears.", "I worked in industrial real estate during the Great Recession, so you can imagine how well our industry was doing. The company cut our pay by 20%. I was barely able to scrape by during that time.\n\nI'd do it all again in a heartbeat if it meant saving jobs, mine and others. The company did eventually go under, but they lost very few employees in their remaining days and had a lot of loyal staff right until the end.", "We can completely handle one person being off, that is why each team is given a floater/relief for coverage. We can cover two people being out as I can cover their responsibilities (my bonus isn’t dependent on them hitting theirs). \n\nIt was also a holiday week, while I already had one employee out on vacation so my relief was busy covering another territory. Again, this employee knowing took advantage knowing he had actually got caught stealing company time on the clock by being home and at the gym when he should’ve been working so he was taking it out against me because he felt like he was being singled out, which he said as much in his exit interview to my boss (who already knew the situation). Because he was upset that he got caught, he manipulated the situation during a holiday week which required me placing additional workload on the rest of the team due to his intentional absence. \n\nWage is outside of my direct control, it’s outside even my own boss’ control and as I’ve mentioned, the nature of our business isn’t high profit margins. The business doesn’t make tech money in revenue so we aren’t able to pay tech wages but they still clear $70k/year each. Yes, there are better paying jobs in our area but most aren’t entry level and they’re free to put in and work their two weeks, cash out their unused vacation and find a better job. Intentionally putting more work on your teammates is just shitty behavior and people defending it are terrible people. Not terrible workers, that’s obvious but terrible people for making other people’s jobs harder.", "20 years back I worked for a Tech company that specialized in WAN voice and data communications cutting edge Fiberoptics.One of the operations mangers with a degree in electrical engineering from MIT was asked asked by the owner to write a description of the role they served in the company.That week word for word appeared in the help wanted professional section of The Union Leader looking for their replacement. So cold.", "aww looks like the guy who posted the video made it private lol", "lololololol", "In 2008 I worked as a welder for temp agency worked my ass off to get hired on with the company.just to be laid off the next day", "Classic example of a narcissistic sociopath, a meme of a CEO. Even the sentences he said, was about how it was difficult for him, no empathy for the 900 families he displaced, during such a difficult time. Makes me sick.", "Indian CEOs are terrible! Pawn of capitalism! Didn’t this company just receive $750M a few days back? Sound like a plan to f*k the 900 employees.", "Michael made branches shutting down more fun.", "I'm sorry that you received the moron we let go...", "Among those fired were the diversity, equity and inclusion recruiting team.", "It is a mortgage sweat shop. Quicken, Rocket, and Loan Depot will probably all have large layoffs due to dips in mortgage demand due to slightly higher rates and a tight purchase market.", "4 weeks pay for being made redundant is good?\n\nIf i was made redundant i would be entitled to 12 weeks pay plus 1 weeks pay for every year i have been with the company\n\nBeen there for 15 years so i would be entitled to 27 weeks pay tax free", "In this case, you couldn’t be more wrong. These people were/are highly skilled engineers and support staff. I don’t know what people’s actual salaries were but the average pay for different positions was very good. I did proposal prep so I could see what it was. There was not a single person making anything close to minimum wage. Our operation was very complex but overhead outlay to keep up with technology was massive coupled with some outside competitive factors that our primary customer was unable to compete with. This was way more complex than low pay/easily replaceable people. Our company made a choice to leave the business segment we were supporting.", "Was this Rogue? I'm guessing Rogue.", "I'll bet it was Rogue.", "Interesting", "AT&T does it by conference call in three minutes and no questions are allowed to be asked.", "Capitalism is nothing but injustices. Your post reads like the usual bootlicking desperate attempt to defend the mega-rich because in your delusional head someday it’ll be you. Sure buddy. \n\nBtw, this is how he usually speaks to his employees when he isn’t being recorded: [“You are TOO DAMN SLOW. You are a bunch of DUMB DOLPHINS and…DUMB DOLPHINS get caught in nets and eaten by sharks. SO STOP IT. STOP IT. STOP IT RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE EMBARRASSING ME.”](https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2020/11/20/mortgages-fraud-claims-and-dumb-dolphins-a-tangled-past-haunts-bettercom-ceo-vishal-garg/?sh=38a69bf410f4)", "Jeg aner intet om den konkrete sag, han kan meget vel være en bandit hvilket han i så fald naturligvis skal høre for. Jeg forholder mig til argumenterne som er decideret usaglige og udviser en basal mangel på forståelse for drift af en virksomhed. Er han en bandit fortjener han sgu at blive angrebet med reelle argumenter.\n\nDu hopper så, uden tøven, over i din støvle-sliknings anklage og laver et hav af antagelser om hvem jeg er inklusiv en tilskrivelse af økonomiske vrangforestillinger i stedet for blot at forholde dig til det jeg skrev. Det er lige præcis denne manglende evne til at forholde sig til nuancer i stedet for us/them polariserede lortekamp som har smadret udbyttet af størstedelen af diskurs, specielt online.\n\nJeg har en ganske sund privatøkonomi, men tak for bekymringen, ven.", "Always had my best experiences with credit unions. Member owned. They don't make commercial loans, but still offer competitive rates and treat you like a human. My experience anyway.", "The company just raised $1.5 billion in funding to accelerate further growth. They sell mortgages in the hottest real estate market in decades. Yet suddenly they can’t afford to pay their employees?", "So? Uber had been showing a loss for years. Paper losses mean nothing to a tech company when they have a fresh infusion of VC money. They just raised $1.5 billion.", "Legally if a layoff will affect more than 500 employees it must be publicized months in advance. Look up the WARN Act.", "The amount of companies where 500 employees make up 10-15% of employees is not a large number. Only 23k have more than 1k employees. My point stands. How many public companies have you worked for? I’ve worked for 3.", "Did I say it was justified? You seem to not realize there is a clear distinction between the morality of layoffs and the typical way they are communicated. I am not defending laying people off to cut costs and increase share price. I’m saying laying people off is a dirty business and there is no way to do it that will make any of these poor people “feel good” about the manner it was done. Thread is full of people who have never worked for a public company, or any company of decent size, and it shows.", "How was this “surreal” i was laid off over zoom last year 6 months into the pandemic. Granted the writing was on the wall, but clearly the pandemic has had a ripple effect and lay offs are a business decision, it’s not this personal evil thing. It was “before the holidays” because this is a time of year people get raises and bonuses, it makes sense to not delay it. You are very lucky if you’ve never experienced a lay off but it is apart of life. Maybe i am just more used to it given i’ve worked at start ups a few times but there isn’t really a great way to deliver this news. My lay off was from a company that was THRIVING for 15 years prior to the pandemic. Shit happens. Wrongful termination is more of a sad situation, not this. Jeff Bezos laying off a ton of people would make front page news because we know that dude already underpays his employees and has money to burn", "Så er det lidt mærkeligt at gøre sig klog på en sag, hvis man aner intet om den. Virksomheden havde dage forinden modtaget en kontant infusion på 750 millioner dollars, altså lige knap 4 milliarder kroner. Plus gav han sig selv en “lille” bonus på 25 millioner dollars. \n\nDet er altid komisk, når dem der anklager andre for at være f.eks. “financial illiterate” eller “armchair CEO” klager over at blive kaldt noget lignende. Det er ren støvle-slikkeri at straks forsvare en direktør, som er værd 4 millarder dollars, uden at vide noget om sagen. Uden at vide noget om dig, vil jeg vædde på, at du økonomisk er meget tættere på dé 900 ansatte, som kynisk blev fyret over Zoom, end direktøren. Men klassesolidaritet er som sædvanlig kun forbeholdt millionærer og milliardærer.", "[https://foragerfunds.com/news/dick-smith-is-the-greatest-private-equity-heist-of-all-time/](https://foragerfunds.com/news/dick-smith-is-the-greatest-private-equity-heist-of-all-time/)\n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\nSounds like what they did here with Dick Smith, It's all going to end very badly for them in the future after they pump and dump the books.", "I found they always get newer managers to do this because it is less emotional because of the newer connection. There was a quote in the industry when they get a new CEO or HR manager that the first job is to do layoffs. They say \"The Clean Broom Sweeps Cleanly\". Pretty fucking shit to start at a new business or a new role as a new manager and to be put up to that task as the first cab off the rank. But unfortunately, it is a part of the job.", "I never understood why they always tend to fire people before Christmas, its the absolute worst timing to hit the ground running to go job-searching and absolutely kills off christmas the year that it happens to you and your family.", "Once you take a shotgun to Bambi's Face with that sweet please no-look and the big wide eyes, it gets easier every time you sell your soul for money,", "What do you meant by, “wfh workers have to produce?”", "These Trump-like pieces of shit will own the whole world if we keep rewarding them with billions of dollars while shamefully looking the other way while they abuse people.", "Too broken to work, just right to lift an AR and put a bullet in a fascists face.", "It's much harder to skate by on presence alone. The work (production/productivity) HAS to be there. If a manager walked past my desk, saw a pile of papers, a half eaten apple, and my light on at 6pm (all old school \"tips\" to move up in the corporate world) they might assume I'm busy. The same luxury doesn't exist for WFH workers. Your work is what defines you. \n\nIn many businesses there is a glut of middle \"people\" managers who justify their employment on micromanaging employees who don't need to be micromanaged.", "Frankly I think Gavin did a _better_ job", "This ship is already sinking.\n Better.com just lost a lot of brand power.", "I was 17 and had no clue how unemployment works. Honestly I still don't. I had another job lined up before I quit though so it never really mattered", "I think the main difference is that some startups are fundamentally not profitable. They don’t need to scale to make their margins work, they are trying to gain enough market share so that when they have to change their business model their customers will be locked into the platform.", "There is a variant of this where a new CEO or HR manager is brought in to do the layoffs and then is shortly fired themselves.", "Haha that's good humor", "Mirror?", "Makes you wonder how some people were raised. Damn, that’s cruel. Who honestly read that and went, “This is a GREAT idea! Let’s make this the standard rejection communication!”\n\n\nIt can’t be this damn hard to be a good person.", "I’d almost rather have that than what he got.", "Some terminations are easier than others. If you’re eliminating a position due to cuts, that’s sucks. Good people get hurt. \n\nI’d you’re firing a good person for performance, that sucks too. \n\nIf you’re firing an idiot for performance issues, and they also happened to be a dick? That’s not easy, but it doesn’t hurt either.", "This happened at Telstra once in the CBD in Melbourne. I wonder if my fellow Redditors would remember this even from around 10 years ago. Outsourcing was all the rage back then just after the dot com bubble burst and Telstra was hating life around the time of Sol. Anyways everyone turned up to the office to work on a Monday to find the front door was locked. They all got a message after they amassed wondering what the fuck was going on at the time. Most employees got an SMS saying they were to be made redundant. By the time the managers all turned up with a megaphone to tell the crowds that they were effectively being laid off immediately and they could go in and collect their personal belongings. I remember one of the managers being especially smug about the whole situation. As I went to get my things, I mentioned, you are a manager of staff. What use will they fucking have for you when you have no staff left to manage. Get off your high horse and see you are being fucked just like all of us. Anyways that afternoon they were at the \"Wake\" at the bars where most went to drown their sorrows too scared to go home and tell their significant others that they are fucking unemployed. I will never forget the scorn the managers also got and the smug look on my face that I gave back in pure Karma at the time.", "I can understand that. If it was my first applications and I got that I'd find it more humorous than after 10+ apps.", "This is a bummer, man.", "Just saw this. Yes, it would be obviously hard for anyone in his position. You assume that simple criticism of his actions equate to being \"antagonistic\". There's no doubt that someone in his position put in a lot of effort for their career or their business.\n\nThere was no assertion that he didn't care for his employees, no indication in my comment that he was a bad person. Only that his specific actions in this ordeal come across as insensitive and disconnected. Whilst his actions are hard, I do not have enough sympathy for him just because he received criticism. I have sympathy for the hundreds of employees who have lost their main source of income and have to hear to a man complaining about \"what a tough decision this was\".", "\"Better.com! We don't care about a bunch of dumb dolphins, we're here to find homes for people with money.\"", "That’s just awful. I’m sorry 😐", "I did not know about their business practices before I used their services. Now that I have enough information to connect the dots, I feel like I know what picture this is, and I'm not interested in supporting it any further. So I will personally recommend against people using their services.\n\nYou're free to use their services if you like, but on a moral stance, until presented with sufficient evidence otherwise, I will not personally support them. Same reason I don't use rideshare services, and if I have* to, I use Lyft. Because Uber tried to recklessly undercut the competition in order to establish market dominance.", "11 days later of agony wondering why someone was so upset with my jokey comment and I just now \"get it\" LOL", "All true." ]	2,811	videos	Better.com CEO lays off 15% of workforce over zoom call.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiT69WoJ6J8	/r/videos/comments/r8hr36/how_to_pronounce_cock_in_british_english/	[ "you can say cunt on the internet I promise you won't get in trouble", "I'm a grown up, thanks. And no, you can't always just write it wherever you want. You clearly understood it.\nHow about eat a bagga disks, u Twhat? I got 7 day ban for that on a sub. \nWhat about being petty betch for down voting a comment noone cared about?", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygr5AHufBN4", "Fuck off cunt." ]	4	videos	How to pronounce COCK in British English
https://youtu.be/UtykdDoaAnY	/r/videos/comments/r8hrxd/explain_this_atheists/	[ "you're not really this gullible, right? this is so obviously a trick, it hurts me to have to explain it: her hand is not growing, the other hand is just shrinking", "\"Explain this atheists\" is virtually always used facetiously.", "I think you're missing the joke.", "The thumbs weren’t aligned in the beginning to give the illusion of a shorter hand. She then slide her hand so the thumbs were in alignment making it appear as if her hand was growing even though she was just moving her hand.", "………\n\nWe’ll wait right here", "You should probably learn to read the entire comments.", "Holy woosh Batman!", "To the people who don't understand humor, here's your /s", "Exactly. Smh so much for these people taking it literally.", "Got’em", "That /s is [more useful](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law) than some may think.", "I thought she was actually growing her hand.", "Nah, that's freaking impossible. The other hand is obviously just shrinking!", "Oh yes that's it. I see what you mean now." ]	14	videos	Explain this atheists
https://youtu.be/bG3rnAYHk8Q	/r/videos/comments/r8ht7x/mandy_patinkin_the_actor_who_played_saul_on/	[ "It makes me feel old that he was referenced for this instead of Inigo Montoya.", "That's like saying \"Clint Eastwood, known for his role in Gran Torino.\"", "No shit", "Ben Affleck who shined on the silver screen as Batman", "You can tell how old someone is by their frame of reference for who Mandy Patinkin is. \n\nI'm, \"Wait, that guy from Chicago Hope is that The Princess Bride guy?!\" years old.", "I know him from Evita and Sunday in the Park with George", "Dead Like Me was my favorite Mandy", "Ayeeee criminal minds!", "He was the only watchable part of early Criminal Minds.", "I'm a dude married to a woman I love but damn if I didn't want to at least take that guy out on one date by the end of that video. What great friends they must be, I really envy them all that they can be so wholesome and open and honest with each other like that.", "I saw him in concert when I was a kid, and at the end of one song he invited anyone who wanted to run on stage and hug him. You bet your boots I did so. Love you Mandy! You're a true mensch.", "To my parents he is that young dancing guy they saw at the Fox Theater in Detroit in 1981.\n\nThe man is good considering they still recall that show.", "[He's a talented guy with a great voice.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OZfoFAs2u4)", "Isn't known that he's just not a nice guy on set?", "“Saul from Homeland” what the actual fuck is wrong with you", "Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings? huh. who knew.", "He wasn't. By is own admission. He talks about it in a few interviews. Changed with time though.", "Or Sam Francisco from Alien Nation.", "Apropos of nothing, but a few years back I was flying out of Dulles and was at the gate way too early, sitting and waiting for my flight. \n\nAfter a few minutes, I notice a man pacing back and forth in front of me. He’s sizing up another man sitting opposite in a baseball hat and reading a script. \n\nFinally, the pacing man goes to the other man —\n\n“Hey! Does anyone ever tell you you look like Mandy Patinkin?”\n\nThe seated man finally looks up. It’s Mandy Patinkin. \n\nAnd his face just lights up in the broadest, warmest smile and he says — “Why, yes! They do!”\n\nThe standing man takes a beat, regarding these words and the fact that this man is clearly Mandy Patinkin. \n\nAnd after a moment, he just puts his hands on his hips and with his voice dripping confusion says — “Huh. How about that?”\n\nAnd he just walks off. \n\nMr Patinkin watches this very confused man walk off, turns his eyes to me, sitting across from him, gives me the broadest shrug, and goes back to his script. \n\nSweet man.", "I like to watch the world burn, why did you kill my father", "lol I was playing to the average age of redditors. It didn’t play out clearly. You killed my father", "He’s the famous actor too right?", "I went down the rabbit hole of their YouTube channel. It’s pretty jokes", "Sylvester Stallone, who starred as Machine Gun Joe in the David Carradine classic Death Race 2000.\n\nKeanu Reeves, or you may know him as Johnny Silverhand...", "The guy from dazed and confused?", "Damn it, now I'm on board.", "My favorite show ever.", "She right about the no business sense thing.", "This is sweet. Pretty sure the ladies were beating down the door after this video.", "> \"Wait, that guy from Chicago Hope is that The Princess Bride guy?!\" years old.\n\nWell, my 60-something parents just had this revelation when TPB was on tv recently, so perhaps it's also demographics.", "> You can tell how old someone is by their frame of reference for who Mandy Patinkin is.\n\nOr William Shatner. Is he TJ Hooker, James Kirk or Denny Crane?", "I think that was Ringo in caveman." ]	32	videos	Mandy Patinkin, the actor who played Saul on Homeland, has the most wholesome YouTube channel
https://youtu.be/43ErDwdJSQw	/r/videos/comments/r8icne/i_just_saw_a_ufo_flying_over_surprise_arizona/	[ "I feel like if an alien species is advanced enough for interstellar travel, they wouldn't need lights for anything.\n\n\"Approaching Earth atmosphere.\"\n\n\"Make sure to turn on the Earth navigation lights to comply with FAA regulations.\"", "Too bad you didn't get it on video", "This legit made me laugh! Maybe next time haha", "I think the UFO was inside the car.", "At least they can follow rules. We don’t need any more assholes on this planet.", "Maybe the UFO was inside of me all along.", "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_burn_centers_in_the_United_States", "Was it a giant triangle?\n\nOr several lights", "Those are planes getting ready to land", "It was probably the Starlink Satellites.\n\n https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink", "Desktop version of /u/shutter_release's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starlink>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "I don’t understand how my phone can take super detailed pictures of the moon, but a motherfucker can’t get a clear shot of ANY “UFO”…", "Sir, we're sorry to inform you...", "You can see debris burning off of it. It's either a space rock or a satellite.", "Ermagerd\n\nErlierns", "You are correct", "I saw something very similar near Casa Grande on a trip home from Tucson. I am not saying it was aliens but it was definitely a UFO.", "Haha", "Why is it the shakey cam crackpots that always find the UFOs and not the scientists?!", "Three drones?", "Maybe because we actually get out of the house? Who knows.", "get off my lawn sonny!", "I saw it too but it turned out o be Elon musk SpaceX https://youtu.be/4PPofZLQF0A", "It wasn’t the exact same but I can see now that’s likely what it was. Thanks for sharing!!", "3 lights but all seemed to work independent of each other. I’m convinced that they were either starlink or some type of new exploding drones that people seem to believe exist. \n\nLikely nothing as serious as I thought." ]	25	videos	I just saw a UFO flying over Surprise, Arizona.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFgcqB8-AxE	/r/videos/comments/r8im1b/but_the_people_are_retarded/	[ "Wow, I never thought I'd see this fucked up cult leader again.\n\nIf you ever wondered why you can't same day register and vote it's because this dude staged an insurrection bussing people in from all over and doing exactly that to overthrow a government.\n\nOh, and he was tyrannical and sought to murder people. Apart from that, he seems like a good dude.", "Really? I had heard that a bunch of crimes were committed by overzealous followers in the Western US and he had no part or knowledge of them until after the fact.", "Sounds like the sort of thing that a cult member would claim in a public sphere to defend their cult leader. Stockholm Syndrome is real.\n\nEDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not saying that's you, but the source on it might be.", "I'm unsure. Maybe I need to read about it more.", "He's not wrong about a large portion of the people.", "democracy is well implemented in western societies where most of the population is sufficiently educated and can make calculated decisions.however when in comes to developing countries with their joke of an infrastructure and mediocre education, those people don't operate the same as the average westerner, reportedly they have lower IQ's and vastly higher illiteracy rate (like some of those mf's reach 50%) , so its not a fair comparison.and then you got the U.S taking nearly 2 million of those fucks every year, and those fuckers vote and they don't have a say in it, they automatically vote democrat so they can open the borders wider and funnel in their retarded cousins.", "I may disagree on one-point. The United States of America setup a far more secure, accountable, and accurate system of election in Iraq than it has within its own damned, apparently useless, borders.\n\nSo, we're not doing better than at least one non-Western country in that department.", ">Oh, and he was tyrannical and sought to murder people. Apart from that, he seems like a good dude.\n\nLike, literally. Quite an interesting [character](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh).", "Check out the Netflix doc, \"Wild Country\" about this crazy cult leader. An insane ride.", "[Rajneesh](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh) \n \n >Rajneesh (born Chandra Mohan Jain, 11 December 1931 – 19 January 1990), also known as Acharya Rajneesh, Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh, and later as Osho (), was an Indian godman, mystic, cult leader, and founder of the Rajneesh movement. During his lifetime, he was viewed as a controversial new religious movement leader and mystic. In the 1960s, he travelled throughout India as a public speaker and was a vocal critic of socialism. According to a speech given by Rajneesh in 1969, socialism is the ultimate result of capitalism, and capitalism itself revolution that brings about socialism.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "Desktop version of /u/5up3rK4m16uru's link: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajneesh>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)", "no thats a stupid argument.", "It's actually quite interesting, that the most racist cucks fail to use their own language properly.", "Nobody does Democracy because it's the dumbest thing any free thinking people can do. You would elect the most fringe candidate that can consolidate a plurality behind themselves. Ironically, the most likely outcome of Democratic voting is a winner who is least likely to be popular in the mainstream.", "Yet it's a fact.", "what are you? my comment was clearer than your gender buddy.", "People went Beyond Full Retard with the Bagwhan. We were kinda happy to have news focus on the fucktard Butlers Nazi’s in N. Idaho.", "same joke used over and over again. \n\nThis country, while being one of the most prosperous nations in the world is still failing education of its people. Something you have evidenced pretty well. \n\nYou know what tribalism is big guy? Don’t you understand the easiest thing to do is try to blame some other shmuck out there trying to make it than actively trying to figure out who you’re actually getting fucked by? This dickhead rajneeshi fascist was talking about you, you are retarded. You are the reason democracy doesn’t work.", ">Nobody does Democracy because it's the dumbest thing any free thinking people can do. \n\n“The best argument against Democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”", "IRC he entered an Alford plea bargain, and in return was deported rather than jailed. That means he continued to claim innocence, but accepted the evidence was so overwhelming it would almost certainly have resulted in a guilty verdict.", "actually I buy it. this guy is absolutely worth a deep dive. he was a cult leader for sure, and wanted his commune to succeed. but by the time their cult organizer (think Dick Cheney) was committing crimes, it was because she was so desperate to keep the commune together and their blessed leader was addicted to pharmaceutical grade drugs. he was a lost cause.\n\nit's a very interesting case all around. every actor had redeeming qualities imo, including the organizer who conspired to do all the crimes.", "Wild country I think is the name of the documentary on Netflix…? Worth a watch for sure", "> Nobody does Democracy because it's the dumbest thing any free thinking people can do.\n\nYou don't know about the movement to get rid of the Electoral College, do you? Because that's exactly what people want.", "He talks so slow I think HE is retarded.", "I'm replying. I'm mostly arse.", "but not you, right? you're one of the good smart people.", "> Stockholm Syndrome is real\n \nFunny you should say that because Stockholm syndrome is much disputed and the psychiatrist who coined it was likely trying to cover his own ass. \n \nNot that I disagree that cult brainwashing is real and this guy probably had a pretty good idea about what was going on among his followers.", "And me neither. I gots me grade 10 to prove that i'm not an unintelligable person.", "With all the time he took I'd be expecting some gold. Instead all he could come up with was the bare bones, go to definition .", "Despite Rajneesh being the leader of the cult and the documentary being about it, I find the most annoying and punchable person is that woman Sheela.", "and the alternative, dictatorship, basically means.... government... by the leader... of the leader... for the learder... And the leader... Is retarded.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nDemocracy is the least unjust system of government.", "the title shouldn't be the punchline...", "Agree to disagree. A republic probably is.", "This.", ">If you ever wondered why you can't same day register and vote...\n\nHaving to register to vote is such a retarded system in the first place.", "Without registration it's just a free-for-all. At that point, don't even hold an election, just have someone chosen by a pseudo-random number generator or the will of God type thing. If there's no transparency or accountability then there is no election, period. It shouldn't be that the best cheater wins.", "Dunno about all of that. Why do abused spouses seek the abuse? Because of SS or because it validates their lack of self-value? Maybe because they're masochists?", "I've heard about it. Thank God it's not going anywhere. Democracy is the surest road to tyranny. If you want to end up with literally Hitler elected, democracy will get you there faster than any other Electoral system.", "The ones who do the greatest evil are the ones who started with the best intentions and went astray in the fulfillment of their mission of good.\n\n\"Shall we do evil that good may come of it? May it never be!\"\n\nIf people simply understood that the ends don't justify the means then the world would be a better place.", "My friends in Oregon never forgot the Bagwash nor have they ever forgiven that chapter in history.", "Or just simulate a democratic election. You'll get a horrible candidate that 3% of the population voted for, all of the mainstream candidates will split down their votes and then you find out some fringe candidate wins.\n\nA great example is Trump in the 2016 primary. He wasn't in lock-step with the GOP mainstream but there were 20 other candidates that basically held the same views as each other. Trump will win that race every time.\n\nAnd, so would Hitler or Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders.\n\nIronically, Democracy doesn't represent the will of the people. It represents the will of the most cohesive and rabid fringe. The last thing anyone needs are extremists running everything. Nobody needs a candidate that the Twitter cult picks out.", "I didn't want to go too far off-topic because it wasn't so much a criticism of what you were trying to say but a reaction to your phrasing, but I think I may have been a bit terse as a result, so I'll elaborate: \n \n\"Stockholm syndrome\" specifically refers to hostages bonding and siding with their captors. It was coined in the 70s by a Swedish psychiatrist to was asked by police to explain a group of hostages (mainly one woman) who, after a hostage situation, refused to testify and publicly criticized the police for mishandling the situation and endangering the hostages. Oh, did I mention said psychiatrist was leading the hostage negotiation in that very incident, was one of the main targets of criticism, and diagnosed \"Stockholm syndrome\" without ever talking to the hostages? Between that obvious and massive conflict of interest and the fact that it is a difficult phenomenon to study, Stockholm syndrome remains disputed and has never made it into the DSM. \n \nA spouse developing an emotional dependency on their abuser would not be Stockholm syndrome (for starters because they're not being held hostage) but trauma bonding, a more general phenomenon that's seen a whole lot more actual scientific research thanks to how rampant spousal abuse is.", "Makes sense. The fact is that social sciences aren't hard sciences. Observation is, by its very nature, biased as it passes through an unobjective lens and confirmation bias runs rampant through a community.\n\nHeck, those perfectly well people that were locked up in a state facility were detained indefinitely. There are reasons we don't have State facilities anymore.", "The Oregon Territory (former) is chock full of good old arguments against white supremacy.", "Really there are only a couple of places like that where any WS exist, but the media tries to make it like they're everywhere. It's legitimately closer to non-existent than pervasive.", "ok", "What? The state should automatically register and send ballots to everyone, as is the case in europe. If you read my reply again it is clear that I'm against the individual having to register. It's undemocratic, especially towards the working class.", "This is what I reply to Republicans who say we need voter ID and it shuts them up pretty quick. I say OK that's good, let's give everyone a voter ID when they turn 18 for free and automatically register them to vote for life. They go \"well no people should decide if they want to vote or not\". Reason being it's not about voter ID but limiting the right to vote.", "I'd say a commune (given the resources needed to support it) is probably the most just." ]	45	videos	…but the people are retarded
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Ad3XdZANI	/r/videos/comments/r8inxq/worst_tinder_profile_ever_why_reddit_gives/	[ "He ain’t wrong 😂", "TLDR: Don't rely on Reddit for advice on anything.\n\n\nIncluding this post.\n\n\nFuck Reddit and fuck my input. \n\n\nQuestion everything.", "Jeez this guy in the video is a fucking douche", "And do not look at his post history lol 🤮", "Who listens to idiots in reddit for dating advice? That's just stupid" ]	5	videos	Worst Tinder Profile Ever (Why Reddit Gives TERRIBLE Dating Advice)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BrBXHusdu7E	/r/videos/comments/r8ixg8/how_a_gas_station_fire_suppression_system_works/	[ "I didn't need breathable oxygen nor sight to see how to get out of this anyhow", "Still not entirely sure how it works.", "This is similar to sprinkler based extinguishing system. Differs in how the system is triggered (or activated) and what agent is used to control/combat the fire.\n\nSprinklers have a fuse in them, which automatically breaks on reaching the designed trigger point (temperature), however here, nozzles are in place that release the extinguishing agent. \n\nSmoke/Heat triggers the detector, which in turn activates the extinguishing system that pushes the combating agent through the nozzles.\n\nInstead of the traditional use of water as the extinguishing or combating agent; there are special suppression agents used like FM200 or Novec 1230 (these are more commonly used in electrical rooms) or Foam based system(where water is mixed with a foam forming chemical agent at a fixed ratio) etc. You're most likely seeing a foam extinguishing system here in the video.", "Car at 34 seconds, fuck you. Keep driving piece of shit your slowing to a crawl while you chicken neck only makes things worse and is going to cause an accident." ]	4	videos	How a Gas station fire suppression system works, it’s pretty interesting actually.
https://youtu.be/qsdQ7HDKfis	/r/videos/comments/r8j78h/wife_pleads_with_us_to_get_vaxxed/	[ "This is very sad for the nearly 800k Americans that have died in the past 20+months, and the millions of Family & Friends grieving that loss.\n\nBut in these 20 horrific months, vaccines have been available for free, 12mths for frontline/elderly, and 8mths for ALL adult's\n\nWaiting until it's too late puts 100% of the consequence as an outcome of their own decision", "“They kicked me out … because if you’re covid positive they treat you like a drug addict.” Even now, at this later hour, this couple is still thinking solipsistically. No, you’re not treated like an addict. You’re treated like a danger. Because you are. This woman is heartbroken that she got her husband sick, and upset she can’t get people in the emergency room sick as well. Of course, this isn’t because of malice. It’s pure inconsideration. Other people just don’t exist. Yes, get the shot. Do it for yourself. Do it for your family. But also do it for your neighbors, your co-workers, and the strangers who live in your vacation destination.", "Shes running around unvaccinated and possibly infecting other people. She might very well still be contagious for fucks sake. These people are so up there own ass. I want to feel sorry for them but when youre STILL out there potentially hurting others, my sympathy wanes....", "My heart goes out to her or anyone affected by COVID. I was however taken aback by her comments. Drug addict and Lepors? Really. Firstly the term [drug addict](https://www.drugabuse.gov/nidamed-medical-health-professionals/health-professions-education/words-matter-terms-to-use-avoid-when-talking-about-addiction) has a stigma and should never be used. Leprosy is a transmittable disease so yes you were treated as someone possible infected by a transmittable disease. Did you know in 2018, there were 208,619 cases of leprosy?\n\nIt's 2021. Please start doing your hunting in a grocery store and perhaps pick up a book to read." ]	7	videos	Wife pleads with us to get vaxxed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl5SaNBjLhg	/r/videos/comments/r8jee2/martial_arts_tryout_bloopers_an_internet_classic/	[ "I never lose! r_r", "I hope ypu like pain!", "swaggers over to dummy, puts apple on dummys head\n\n\"You guys are gonna like this\"\n\nTwirls in the air kicking dummy in the stomach", "Yep, that was in the video we just saw", "Can confirm", "Once I saw the Afro I knew it was gonna be good. Still tried twirlin the chucks before he falls over ROFL 🤣", "Hope you’re ready for pain", "Today you were introduced to Afro Ninja. A legend so great that he earned a South Park cameo and his own movie, all from falling on his head and having it end up on the internet in the early 2000s.", "Afroninja is my favorite internet funny of all time. The little sneer his gives to the camera just before chaos gets me every time", "Oh wow, this brings me back to the start of the Internet, and chuckling my ass of at it.\n\nThe nunchuck-guy is so hilarious how he still tries to spin his nunchuck after falling, hehehehe.\n\nI guess this was one of the very first viral videos on the internet - it was all over every site.", "The apple on the dummy's head was comedy gold. He wasn't even in the same zipcode with that attempt.", "I know it from a meme perspective but what was the original context?", "Wait … was he actually serious?", "TIL the start of the Internet was 18 years ago", "Back when Mr.T was all about eating balls.", "My fave is actually the dude from about 30 seconds that tries a spinning roundhouse. No words needed.", "Mark Hicks’ reputation as a highly trained martial artist, stuntman, and actor earned him an audition for a LeBron James Nike commercial featuring legendary martial arts master Jim Kelly – a childhood idol of Hicks.For his audition, Mark Hicks planned on doing a back flip followed by an impressive showing of his nunchucks skills. Despite still suffering from jet lag after a six month stay in Hong Kong, Mark Hicks rehearsed all morning and decided he was ready for the audition.\n\nMonths later, the short audition tape was uploaded onto eBaum’s World and played on The Tonight Show with Jay Leno. “Afro Ninja” soon became a viral hit as the world watched a stuntman simply slip and refuse to quit.", "Yep, the dude is legit a martial artist and stuntman. He messed up and it was caught on tape.", "I miss Something Awful's 56k warning gif megathreads.", "No lmfao", "Wow that takes me back", "Is this how I fight?" ]	22	videos	Martial Arts Tryout Bloopers - An Internet classic!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqSJhrRY-Pc	/r/videos/comments/r8jjmm/explosion_shockwaves_inside_tunnel/	[ "It just keeps going! I wonder how the feeling of the pressure waves passing through them in that tunnel felt compared to something like an EDM concert when they really blast the deepest bass notes and it feels like you have a vibrating mass in your core because it's so powerful and penetrating you can't distinguish the sensation well enough to say whether it originates within or outside of you.", "Rip their eardrums, not even any hearing protection.", "A movie would have a fireball growing their direction. Since there's an inch of water, they can dive underneath and save themsleves from death.", "Not pictured: Their ears.", "Almost looks like it bounces back from the far end.", "It does, that tunnel system is all smooth like that section and only a few miles end to end with limited turnoffs. So it can bounce a few times.", "I feel like ‘hands covering ears’ is not nearly adequate hearing protection for this situation", "Or outrun it.", "What is that orange flash when the guy pushes the button?", "Det cord I think", "Where can I buy", "Idk probably from a mining company. I imagine buying that would put you on some kind of list tho lol", "Thank you\n\nEverything will be OK", "Only sleep now", "Depending on where you live, you need to be a certified and licensed explosives specialist to purchase things like this. For obvious reasons it's not something available to the general public.\n\nIt's also quite expensive; [here's a seller out of Pennsylvania.](https://tripwireops.org/detcord/) We can't gauge the length of the tunnel, but based on these prices we just watched easily tens of thousands worth of explosive cord go boom in the fraction of a second.", "You can't. Unless you have a demolition license, or a destructive device license from the ATF.\n\nAssuming you're american.", "He's already on the list.", "That is so fucking cool!!!!! It looks like to me like it came back the other direction after?", "Multiple shockwaves back and forth", "I get the sound bouncing back and forth part but what is visually happening? Why can we see it? Is the sound also pushing a wave of dust along with it?", "Not sure. Maybe water vapor in the air being created a the pressure wave moves" ]	21	videos	Explosion Shockwaves inside tunnel
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8jyze/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r8jyze/deleted_by_user/	[ "what to heck", "yes", "I have to try this with my nephew who loves trains.", "[Original upload from 2014](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9b0J29OzAU).", "The rare earth magnets will repel the magnetic field made by power flowing through the copper spiral wire thus producing a force that moves the system. \n\nYou can do interesting things with a battery, magnet and wire if you get creative and understand cross products.", "So this is like a really weak gauss rifle?", "The motion here requires current passing through the copper coil, which is a result of the potential difference between the + and - terminals of the battery. So it dies down with the battery life dying.\n\nIm sure a lot of people could provide a more nuanced answer to this, but this, to my understanding, is the idea at a basic level (not a physicist)", "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homopolar_motor" ]	7	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/K95MIzDth_A	/r/videos/comments/r8k172/peter_jackson_reveals_how_he_convinced_beatles/	[ "$$$\n\n+\n\nHobbits", "Is his head very heavy or something? Does he have neck problems? Why is he constantly tilting his head over to one side or the other like that when he talks?", "I hate when they put in loud clips from the content they are talking about in these interviews. Just ruins the interview and any attempt to focus on what is being said.", "Must have spent too much time filming in the hobbit sets. Very low ceilings.", "Am I missing something in this clip? It seems like, he made a 6 hour doc, showed it to Ringo, and Paul, and they're like \"ya looks great.\"", "https://lmgtfy.app/?q=get+back+peter+jackson", "I love it when filmmakers feel an immense sense of responsibility about the project. Thanks to Peter Jackson we get to see six hours of footage instead of some other director cutting it down to two and then this footage going back into the vault forever.", "I’m imaging him saying “money and hobbits” over a zoom call while making the aliens guy gesture. \n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/AiXn9ER.jpg", "I'd love it if they just released all 60 hours. Would make a great background video to have on.", "My bet is that it was originally pitched as a 2 1/2 hour film and that was their goal. Like the Beatles originally greenlit a 2 1/2 hour doc, and the money was given for a 2 1/2 hour documentary.", "I love this doc so much. The Beatles are a soundtrack to my life, because I have literally listened to them my entire life. My mom played The Beatles to me while I was still in the womb. She said they were the only ones who would calm my kicking. \n\nGrowing up they were always being played at home on the 8-Track. I would dance with my mom around the room, and the coffee table would magically become a piano with song like Hey Jude. I would tickle the ivories on a made up piano and belt out the song as loudly as I could. We grew up poor, so an imagined piano was all we were going to have. \n\nWhen I was around 12 I got my first guitar. I got a book of The Beatles songs to learn along with it. The songs it didn't have, I learned by ear. Now, the love of The Beatles is certainly not unique, just the opposite, so I found others with my passion. They were my inspiration to make music and be in a band, and I found that I was far from alone. This is the point around 15/16 that I made my best friends that I'd ever haver, and still have today. We bonded over The Beatles, but made our own stuff. I never put the time and effort I should have to be successful, so we weren't. Now that 30 years has passed, my regrets have only grown. \n\nNow, at 50, The Beatles are still in my life. This doc has renewed my active listening, and I'm going to dust off a guitar and see what I remember. I've talked to my best friend about reforming the band. I think we will, and I'm pretty sure some of the first things we'll play are The Beatles.", "I'm up to the last episode. Have to find time to finish. \n\nYou know what occurred to me watching this? It brings closure to The Beatles for many fans. The whole ending of The Beatles was mired in who knows. This footage and documentary, whatever the narrative is, puts the whole ending of The Beatles to rest in my mind. \n\nI feel a major part of me has closure. It's a balm and sooths my musical soul. \n\nThanks Peter Jackson.", "Watched some of this last night. It’s converted me to loving the Beatles. I admit I never liked their music much but this doc just blew my mind, the way they create some of the most iconic songs in a matter of moments was mesmerising.", "cheers to your midlife crisis" ]	14	videos	Peter Jackson Reveals How He Convinced Beatles Paul and Ringo To Let Him Make 'Get Back'
https://youtube.com/watch?v=5pY3jPxqR5U&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/r8k2ld/lété_an_inline_skate_edit_my_little_brother_made/	[ "rollerbladers. lol.", "Exactly. Rollerblades are so lame.😂\n\nThey will NEVER have the aura and acceptance skateboarders have. Skaters are actually cool. Does anyone remember what the hardest part about rollerblading is? 😂", "Never seen a rollerblade vid and the I realized.....Canadian.....\nCool moozique\nRough with the smooth, good skaters and plenty of flesh getting roughed up. \nV impressed by the superman 360 at around 2mins\nThe fisheye didn't work for me, not sure if he needs to be closer or tracking along with the action rather than letting it cross the lens???\nStorytelling needs a bit of work . Goofballs high fiving the lens does nothing for me but the guy with the plank on his head towards the end followed by some shots of it being used was really nice.", "Takes me back to the early 00's when rollerblading was having it's moment. Good stuff boys, bringin it back! However, it can't be said enough...helmets! Please put on some helmets lads. I had too many friends take too many bad knocks over the years, we wish we'd been more sensible.", "Lol this brought my back to middle school, if only for a moment.", "Some sick airs. Night skating looks scary af, i guess they have the park memorized but damn im too blind to attempt that", "ya, getting a gf" ]	7	videos	L’été An in-line Skate edit my little brother made
https://youtu.be/Z8mt9Ogzi_Y	/r/videos/comments/r8kta0/always_room_for_christmas_pud/	[ "Ouch, this is a repost but it's Xmas FFS!", "Holy shit. It's sentient!", "the boys", "Wtf why did I watch this entire video", "Because there's always room for Pud.", "Cow Doy no Pud pardner", "I don't understand this humor, but I love watching this whenever it comes up.", "That’s the spirit, just shut your brain off and enjoy.", "Maybe just a little bit a pud", "When you invest in pud, you invest in your friends.", "No u", "It’s coffee ya fuck.", "You ever have eggs man? They’re fuckin sick.", "https://youtu.be/tJk8UevZbIs", "Fingers crossed for a second season of Big Ol' House of Fun.", "Unless you filled up on cheese.", "There's always room for Always Room for Pud vids.", "I called it morning brown for weeks because of these fucks.", "Everything's a drum", "So I just googled pudding and I fucking still don't understand what makes this not a cake.", "It’s just a different word the brits use for dessert. Kinda like biscuit vs. cookie.", "But you must understand, I ate before I came! I only had the soda water!", "B..b...brodin?", "Hello little girl.", "it's because OP didn't say there was custard", "Why do they move like they're puppets?", "These are Australians and pudding may be a cake but it has a reputation as it's own thing here.", "Mostly the way it's cooked - puddings are usually steamed. Also things like texture and presentation", "because of the pud", "This is an ASMR nightmare come to life.", "You would be stiff and jerky too if you had someone's hand up your backside!", "Oh good. I was just thinking I wanted to hear the same punch line sixty times in a row this morning.", "Well, yeah, these are Australians, but a lot of vocabulary is interchangeable between the two countries. \n\nThe dessert in this video would be considered a pudding in the UK as well.", "And cream.", "Say this to myself when I make my kid scrambled eggs. Kids love scrambled eggs.", "This is giving off some strong Tim and Eric vibes.", "Can't wait for pud", "Because it's a pudding", "Are these guys Australian Tim and Eric?", "Yeah leave it there, see what happens 😋", "Shut up...and have more pud", "Mmmmaybealittlemorepudthanthatmate", "I need another season of their Netflix show.", "\\#HotSoup", "We all thought for sure this was just an intro to a gay porn video. Massive disappointment", "Too much pud", "Have you ever had eggs? Ah fuck they're sick.", "Everything is a drum...\n\nENOUGH NOW, BROTHER MARK", "When you came to me 15 years ago you told me that EVERYTHING was a drum.", "MAN BEAST", "It's reductionist-style absurdism with an emphasis on delivery cadence. What about that do you not understand?", " #Hotcheesesoup", "Holy pud that shit was british.", "You can also keep a Christmas pudding for literally years and it will still be perfect to eat - not so much with cake.", "Just leave it there... See what happens...", "Shut up.. and have more pud..", ">These are Australians\n\nFUCK. I thought they were Kiwis.", "Because it's funny and only a few minutes long.", "Yummy yummy manbeast", "I LEFT MY WIFE", "I don’t know what I just watched, and maybe it’s just because I’m a Packer football fan, but the two dudes not offerin the pud reminded me of Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers and I’m ok with that", "Oh I understood it, just didn't have the vocabulary to describe it", "I LEFT MY WIFE!", "I left my wife…", "Why is \"pudding\" outside the US a bread-like dish, and basically synonymous with \"custard\" inside the US?", "It's called a prostate orgasm and if it's wrong I don't want to be right.", "The sound editing is phenomenal for a comedy video.", "NO MORE LIES! NO MORE SECRETS!", "Actually about as far as you can get from britishland while being on the same planet", "[You boys better not be looking at any...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20lzn2knTPE) ^(books)", "You ever had eggs?", "You even ate the craft singles..... \n.... \nI put the them there as a joke.... \n \n... \n\\chuckles\\", "For real. \nAunty Donna are so underrated.", "No one knows how the man beast exists \nAll we know is he exists", "Broden <>", "Maybe ask why it isn’t in the US as the rest or 5he world is bigger.", "It's pretty much only the UK (+ Commonwealth) who refers to this as pudding, the majority of the world knows what pudding is.", "I thought it was a British thing, but I think these guys are from New Zeland, so clearly its beyond just the UK.\n\nI found plenty of articles explaining what \"pudding\" means in different parts of the world, but nothing explaining why.\n\nHow would you have worded the question?", "Yeah, I'm not sultana.", "I did a cum", "WHEN I CAME TO YOU 15 YEARS AGO YOU TOLD ME THAT EVERYTHING WAS A DRUM….\n\n“You’re playing it wrong”", "They're fucking sickkkkk", "Bro what? Second season of flight of the concords was still great, maybe not as good but still very strong", "I saw this post when I was doin a poo", "They are Australian. People on New Zealand probably eat pudding like this.", "Don’t fill up on cheese is my favorite from these guys, so insanely funny", "What's to understand? Does it make you chuckle?", "Pud is slang for penis, which almost makes this funny", "Australians used to be Brits mate. They just got caught doing the naughty.", ">Maybe ask why it isn’t in the US \n\nI don't have to ask that, because we put a man on the fucking Moon.", "Pood is the most disgusting name for dessert I can think of.", "Dunno man, Aunty Donna has a large back catalogue of content. Some of their stage stuff ended up in Big Ol' House of Fun, but I bet they still have a ton of creativity to go", "Get the couch ready cause i'm gonna i'm i'ma be in noddyland by 2", "Or like “I think you should leave” with tim robinson. First season every sketch was golden. Second season… made me sad.", "Ahh found one in the wilds of Reddit. We see things like you say all the time about on r/ShitAmericansSay and have a good kaugh about the idiot Americans whi say stuff like this.", "For real? Do people actually find these guys funny?", "Australian Letterkenny", "How could you forget the absolute classic \"[Too Many Dicks on the Dance Floor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3LuqU-9bx8)\"?", "Where do I get this pud?", "Yeah HARD disagree that 2nd season didn’t have some fantastic music. My favorite episodes are from season 2 as well, though I will concede that a couple of the B sides weren’t as good as the others. Did all y’all motherfuckers forget about Carol Brown?", "No no no, that can't be it", "Second season was great. You’re just the kind of guy who eats sloppy steaks at Truffoni’s.", "No one cares.\n\nYou're posting on an American web site, in subreddits about American culture. We won.", "Love that line!", "Wait, you’ve been saying Aunty Donna are underrated? I’ve been saying Aunty Donna is underrated. Now I don’t know what to say.", "I thought there was room to move away from doing songs every ep. In the same way Seinfeld did less stand up as the series went on.", "This sketch seems more Tim and Eric than most of their others.", "Pudding means dessert outside of the US, but Christmas pudding is a very specific type of dessert.", "Adults also love scrambled eggs", "I LET YOU DRUM ON MY PENIS", "Pudding originally meant something cooked in a skin (usually boiled or steamed), such as black pudding (blood sausage). Pudding is cognate with the French boudin which is also a blood sausage. The invention of the pudding cloth meant you could cook pudding without the animal casing. Savoury dishes like pease pudding or steak and kidney pudding were steamed in these cloths. Eventually sweet dishes became very popular to cook in a pudding cloth. These desserts became so popular that the word pudding became interchangeable with dessert. So now pudding means anything steamed in a skin/pudding cloth or for any sweet dish. \n\nI'm assuming that at some point in America, pudding was used for sweet dishes in general and over time that meaning was lost, keeping only the custard usage. (Maybe in a way like the generic term \"pickle\" being used to specifically mean pickled cucumber). But again I'm making an assumption for American usage.", "Different strokes sure, but it’s not like positive regard for the 2nd season is some kind of minority opinion. It was really well received critically and by the fan base at the time it aired.", "Hunter of elk, lover of women, sovereign of the moon.", "Seinfeld started with an opener, middle bits and closer, then they got rid of the middle bits, then they got rid of the closer. By the last season there were no standup bits at all. This makes sense as the show was originally pitched as “a show about how a comedian gets his material”, but it became so much more than that. FOtC could have kept going in my opinion if they were less about the songs going forward. In the second season it felt like they were going that way almost, because the songs weren’t as good and less frequent, but that didn’t mean the show wasn’t strong. I think they ultimately stopped because they ran out of music, but I don’t believe they had to.", "Have a bit of cake.", "I don't know what you're referencing but [HERE is mine. ](https://youtu.be/PMlkfTIjLFA)", "Yeah you keep believing that buddy", "They were traditionally made via boiling them in a cloth, back before most people had ovens and when you were cooking over an open fire", "I'd have to check and see which songs are season 2 but \"Carol Brown (The Ex-Girlfriend's Song)\" is one of I like. \"Hurt Feelings\" is top tier IMO. \"Too Many Dicks On The Dance Floor\" is fun. \"Friends\" is nice, la la la la! \n\nBut it's no comparison to season 1. Season 1 was an explosion first time I saw it, I couldn't stop grinning and I play the shit out of all those songs to this day.", "Aww, I don't know....maybe a bit more pud", "Oh awesome. Can play stupid things Americans say on Reddit bingo. The American web site is another one that commonly come up. You are a goldmine.", "Man, two underrateds? Seems Aunty Donna is now just rated. For shame.", "To be fair, Americans for the most part used to be Brits as well.", "That's pretty much how it is. Americans vs Brits when it comes to English, and that's because everyone else that speaks English also tends to fall into one of these two groups (usually Brits). So it's not an offense toward Australians or South Africans or whoever else that speaks English, because they speak more like Brits than they do like Americans.\n\nBasically everywhere outside of America would side with Brits when it comes to things like Chips (Fries), Crisps (Chips), Pudding (Dessert), Boot (Trunk), Bonnet (Hood), and so on.", "I'd like to try some savory puddings some day!", "I’m pretty sure tiger king is responsible for all the dero cunts walking around with mullets. Poor kids. That’s their role model now.", "“I can’t comprehend comedy is subjective” - classic reddit moment", "\"Hur Hur tHeY'rE tAlKiNg FuNnY\"", "What makes a deep dish pizza not a pie? \nWhat makes a biscuit not a cake?", "It’s pud, and you are wrong", ">\tYou're posting on an American web site, in subreddits about American culture.\n\nYeah I’m sure you or your family use plenty of Australian discoveries and inventions very regularly.\n\nAt least you are perpetuating the arrogant cringe American stereotype", "Tell me you’ve never seen British comedy without actually telling me.", "I'm a sweet pudding fan. I made Christmas pudding this year and I can't wait to eat it.", "I don't know what it is, but I just can't seem to find these guys funny in the slightest. I guess it's just not for me, but I love Tim and Eric and I think you should leave. For whatever reason I feel like Aunty Donna just finds themselves hilarious making a weird face and saying a goofy word or \"fuck\" and calling it a day. I feel like I'm definitely in the minority with this opinion though, so I guess I have to go invest in a cane to shake at kids on my lawn.", "Really proving my point champ", "I've been known to enjoy a Fosters and a game of [knifey spoony](https://youtu.be/mcE0aAhbVFc) now and again!", "Black box flight recorder, cochlear implant, electronic pace maker, cervical cancer vaccine, refrigerator, dual flush toilet, Wi-Fi, what would become Google Maps, electric drill and much more.", ">dual flush toilet\n\nBut do they flush the correct (American) direction?", "These guys are always good for a laugh.", "Do Americans have Christmas pudding? They never mention it.", "Thank you, I was hoping there would be more of these!!", "Haven't you done well for yourself?", "MUM, I LOVE IT WHEN YOU COOK THE CHICKEN TONIGHT!", "Fancy man, with your fancy fancy", "I could have done without the ending, but the rest of it was hilarious.", "If you like this, check out ‘Stella Shorts’", "We were all a little hungy,\n\nSo we got some food into our tummy,\n\nSteak fillet so good it hurt,\n\nBut we still had room for fucks.", "I did a cum? Or i didnt cum?", "It’s from another sketch of theirs… Never mind I’ll delete the post and we can never speak of this again.", "Oh I'm aware! But I thought it was \"I didn't cum!\"", "Even the Brits used to be Brits!", "They can't stop you.", "Do you even know what underrated means?", "*bost", "I was focused more on the “is” and the “are”.", "I used to love scrambled eggs. I still do, but I used to too.", "Hello, little girl" ]	162	videos	Always Room for Christmas Pud
https://youtu.be/g-sgw9bPV4A	/r/videos/comments/r8lbik/you_are_my_special_friend/	[ "and now you are mine...", "Has been and always will be one of the best things on the internet.", "Fun! Fun! Fun! Fun! Fun!", "And now i want to play Trackmania", "I have seizure now" ]	5	videos	You are my special friend
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxQKTzS4jg0	/r/videos/comments/r8m50h/mt_semeru_erupting_in_indonesia_december_4/	[ "Volcanos erupt all the time there, but when I see footage of people fleeing in panic and shouting prayers, I gotta believe this is a much bigger problem than usual.", "Directed by volcano", "time to nope tfo", "The kid in the poncho on the edge of the lahar river seems crazy.", "I wouldn't stand that close to a body of water moving that fast, forget a lava river.", "Lahars are water from melted snow mixed with ash and whatever it picks up from the earth while it travels downstream. \n\nRivers of lava are entirely different, but no less dangerous.", "That kid is back on the escalator!", "Didn't realize Semeru is so tall...over 3600 meters.", "I hope his pancho gets caught and a blood bath ensues\n\n\nEdit: [oof](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UOMZ-Buj2n0&t=0m6s)", "Oh no, I hope the economy is okay.", "[footage from closer to the eruption](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQb6wnqHPNI).", "Huh. Looks more like a hurricane blew through. I'm familiar with like, lava flows and pyroclastic flow but I'm not sure what mechanism of a volcanic eruption would cause this?", "Wow! Think of the amount of energy required to cause such a large volume of fast running water to heat up like that. We are talking at least an order of magnitude more power than the largest nuclear reactor in operation. This is seriously impressive.", "Was thinking the same thing. How can an eruption rip roofs of of houses, cause such damage?", "That's one of the most close-up shots of a lahar I've ever seen.", ">How can an eruption rip roofs of of houses, \n\nWhile I didn't verify the video I posted... when volcanic eruptions occur they don't just spew lava out the top. It's an eruption...\n\nYou are familiar with [Mount St Helens](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_St._Helens), right? One third of that mountain exploded out one side.\n\n[St Helens one day before](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Mount_St._Helens%2C_one_day_before_the_devastating_eruption.jpg).\n\n[St Helens two years later](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/dc/MSH82_st_helens_plume_from_harrys_ridge_05-19-82.jpg).", "The whole exploding part? See child comment below.", "How dangerous?", "I mean, depends entirely on the type of volcano, but yes", "So you're more going with the explosion decimal/pressure, right?", "More?", "yallah gtfo of there lmao", "Debatable with how non-dangerous a Lahar might seem in comparison. Baits people in with spectacle but the banks can shift rapidly", "Literal Shockwave Damage", "Looks like pyroclastic surge (not pyroclastic flow, but similar). From wikipedia: \"(Ash-cloud surges) travel at great speed (10–100 m/s) carrying abundant debris such as trees, rocks, bricks, tiles etc. They are so powerful that they often blast and erode material (like sandblasting). They are possibly produced when conditions in an eruption column are close to the boundary conditions separating convection from collapse. That is, switching rapidly from one condition to the other." ]	26	videos	Mt Semeru erupting in Indonesia December 4
https://youtu.be/qSSPXQN_PZA	/r/videos/comments/r8mw2m/math/	[ "1", "2", "3", "Hopefully we ALL learned that the way the problem is written is fundamentally flawed, and both answers could be technically correct depending on the author’s intentions… but we won’t, and this will get reposted in a few months and everything will lose their minds AGAIN.", "You're probably right about that. Have a great day btw!", "No, YOU have a great day!", "Thank you, friend!", "Fuck the order of operations and parentheses! True connoisseurs use reverse polish notation \n\n6 / (2 \\* (1 + 2)) = 6 2 1 2 + \\* /\n\n(6 / 2) \\* (1 + 2) = 6 2 / 1 2 + \\*", "No, you." ]	9	videos	math.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8nd92/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r8nd92/deleted_by_user/	[ "Next you’re going to tell me not every country uses the Imperial system of measurement?", "In this part of the world 40 and 40,000 have the exact same value.", "Is this going to go up like Mt Vesuvius and torch everyone in the area ?" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXViUJUnIHc	/r/videos/comments/r8nuoi/astonishing_cinematography_the_winter_i_knew_by/	[ "Magnificent, hypnotic, poetic…\nThank you 🙏🏻", "Breathtakingly beautiful and poignant. This deserves to be seen by many more people.", "damn.", "damn that would be embarrassing.", "Anybody with a good enough camera can do this", "was absolutely hypnotized", "One of the most beautiful short films I have ever seen. Breathtaking poetry. Absolutely stunning." ]	7	videos	Astonishing cinematography – The Winter I Knew by Riku Karjalainen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A#!	/r/videos/comments/r8ojy8/why_heroquest_is_so_great/	[ "Tis a splendid game", "Look at the muscularity", "I've watched this video at least ten times now and it is just as entertaining as it was the first time. Probably my favourite video in Youtube.", "The best part of HeroQuest is this video…", "I use to play this game with my family as a kid. My Dad was always the dungeon master. My Mom played 'Barbie' the Barbarian. Good times.", "Hero quest was fucking awesome. I got it for my birthday when I was like 12 or 13. But I had no friends and 2 sisters so I never got to play hero quest.", "BROAWDSWOARD", "Brode Sode", "I can't place that accent. Is it an American doing an English accent (why would a Brit comment on Mormons at the door)? edit: He's Australian. He doesn't have much twang. I'm generally unfamiliar with Australian dialect variation. And yes, apparently Mormons are fucking everywhere (no pun).", "Hasbro even reprinted it!", "If you have this game they just released a companion app for this game, you use the app while you play with the physical game. Looks interesting", "omg the nostalgia", "Cause mormons are everywhere.... \n\nPeople ive met in Peru, Japan, Columbia, South Africa complain about them. Truly an experience to unite the human race.\n\nThey could even be on reddit reading this comment.\n\n(Mormons are the most scarily nice people Ive met except the ones in Utah who think they're better than other Mormons)", "He's Australian.", "THREE combat dice even without the BROADSWORD!!1", "The reference to Bob Hawke should give it away... it's Australian", "I asked him on youtube if he was going to do a review of the new release of Heroquest and he replied \"Aye!\"", "been there man", "Not enough videos hosted by wizards on this sub.", "Colombia \n \nAnother impressive thing about them in other countries is that they actually learn the local language. Obviously it makes proselytising possible, but it's impressive hearing them speak whatever they need to fluently", "BRODESODE", "Gargoyle", "That was me with Key to the Kingdom. Looked like a really cool game but I wouldn’t know if it actually is lol", "Lol... Same. Exactly the same.", "The best thing about Hero Quest is playing by yourself!", "I like his little fancy dance before he slaps his hand.", "The best part of HeroQuest is the fimir.", "Holy shit! Thank you for this! This has been my favorite game ever since I got it when it first came out. Now I can play whenever!?", "I loved this game as a kid and am sad you can only find it for 100s of dollars now", "It could just be actual Colombian Mormons...", "Yes with this app you are able to play by yourself if you want", "I don't need an app to play with myself, tyvm.", "...say what now!?", "..aaannnd Gravityland!", "I'll never not click and upvote this video", "Hasbro did a crowd funding campaign last year to rerelease it with new miniatures. Those of us who backed it just received the game last month. I believe they are releasing it in retail stores early next year.", "I'm still mad they made Hero's Quest rename themselves to Quest for Glory.", "There’s a new version (remade by Hasbro) now available in retail, so you should be able to get the game a little cheaper than that.", "I just bought it two weeks ago, the re release that is. Costed me 120€ on Amazon ES, it was a preorder for the Spanish edition. I think it was cheaper in the US in the original re release run.", "[Here it is](https://www.gamestop.com/toys-games/board-games/products/hasbro-heroquest-board-game/298283.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-aCq2cPK9AIV8m1vBB3u9A4_EAQYASABEgKK3PD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)", "[Also this video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mpQ7_WXHd8)", "FIRE OF ROTH!", "Oh no! Mormons! tink", "This is an abomination... This is a gargoyle.", "I had that, it wasn't great.", "I live in the UK and we literally have a church of the Latter Day saints down the road. Mormons aren't exclusive to the US.", "Adorable bunny - symbol of immortal evil.", "This game was a lot of fun back in the day.", "Awesome I just googled it and saw. Thank you", "The best part about Hero Quest is the companion app. Throw away your cell phone and just get another copy of hero quest.", "> Mormons are exclusive to the US.\n\naren't\n\nI see. I'm English too and I just never encountered them.", "Also - https://hasbropulse.com/products/heroquest-game-system", "That was my second guess.", "I still have my Hero Quest, it is complete and intact. I have two extension packs somewhere too, but lord knows where. I used to play it tons with my brother and friends!", "This was the game that my dad made us throw out because we got too competitive. Fuck your Monopoly money, your chutes and ladders. Nothing breeds rage filled competition like a dwarf with a battle axe.", "And here is a comparrison video by Ashens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OOV0k2zXjQ", "Only child here, can confirm 👍", "This is the video I was expecting.", "Love this video. Love this guy.", "The best part of hero quest was the board.\n\nI Played so often when I was in jr high school . Used to role play dnd back then too so after me and the friends exhausted hero quest and expansions, I'd make my own campaigns and we'd just use hero quest board and pieces, but give it an bit more of a playable universe.", "Bro’d So’d!", "Didn't they just release a remastered edition?", "This guy is great, wish he would upload more. Though he did just do a video on a artbook recently.", "Man I loved Hero Quest. Only got my dwarf miniature left dog ate the rest.", "Yup. Only got to play it with my mom and cousin once ever. Still have everything tho and my friend group likes ttrpg so maybe...?", "Awesome! Thank you.", "Fantastic, thank you! Not to ask a dumb question - but now that funding is completed, can you still order from this? I looked around but could not see any way to do that.", "The best part about HeroQuest is Gravity Land.", "It is obvious he's wearing woman slacks.", "The best part of HeroQuest is that there was an AMIGA port.", "I watch this video every few years, and it always brings me so much joy. This is the one repost I always look forward to.", "The best part about HeroQuest is not having any friends! Wait...", "ngl, Gravityland looked like a fun time.", "I have also lived through the DnD demonic paranoia of the 80s/90s.", "I played this once like 15 years ago with some friends and we've been trying to get together to play again since. This brings me back", "This happens to be one of the best board games ever. I really want to get it again.", "https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/156466\n\nMine will be here next week.", "https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/156466", "I watch this video once a year without fail. The best thing about hero quest is this video about hero quest!", "As an only child, I also had Hero Quest and loved it! But I never actually played the game.", "Haha same, my brother would never play this! Then I got into warhammer and played it even less lol", "If you’ve got a HeroQuest itch and an Oculus Quest 2 check out Demeo. I’ve been playing the hell out of it for a few weeks now.", "The best part of hero quest is the restrained backhand", "We’ve been playing through this for the very first time this year with a friend who grew up loving it. Just finished quest 8 Thursday night. I’m playing the Barbarian and Wizard, and my wife is the Dwarf and Elf. We’re loving it - it’s awesome!", "I got it when I was about 10 because I liked the picture on the box. I opened the box excited and thought 'what the fuck is this shit and what am I supposed to do?'. Put it down and went outside to play. I don't know what I was expecting.", "I looooved this game as a kid", "I got this as a kid as well. Had friends, but we never ended up playing it for some reason.", "I haven't hit play yet but.. I have seen this 50 times probably. I can't not watch it when it's posted. It's phenomenal.", "This guy is honestly just obnoxious and extremely cringy. Jesus Christ.", "Combat usually turns into the dungeon master being forced to cram his units into a doorway or hallway and get slaughtered by the players.", "My mom was good enough to play HQ with me at that age. Good times.", "Companion app? The game has not been in print for 20years due to a copyright dispute", "I can smell this dude’s beard from here", "I never played this game, what was the best thing about it?", "That's ok, Mormons are [an excellent food source](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFFvJaMhgDg).", "I enjoyed Key to the Kingdom as a kid. Then again it was my first RPG-like board game, so I might be very biased in favor of it. Nostalgia and all.", "The best thing about having two brothers is you get to play Hero Quest.", "I always lose it at \"Gravity Land\"", "Man, I used to have this game and I still would to this day if my parent's old house wasn't so shit and my dad didn't make me put it outside on the porch to get ruined from a leaky roof. I lost so many board games like HeroQuest, Fireball Island, 13 Dead End Drive, and others", "Clearly, everything.", "The best thing about Heroquest is the fantasizing about how amazing a game of Heroquest would be if only you had friends.", "Adorable bunny rabbit. Symbol of Immortal Evil.", "I see the Bard's latest upload has garnered him more followers.", "Did he change his avatar because at first I thought someone stole his video", ">'Barbie' the Barbarian\n\nI love this. xD", " BRODE SODE!", "The best part of Heroquest is Heroquest", "I clicked the video because I confused HeroQuest for HeroClix, but then I realized even though I thought HeroClicks, I was thinking about MageKnights", "The best thing about Hero Quest is imagining some friends to play it with!", "Overdone British accents are clearly the best thing about Hero Quest.", "I got that game for Christmas, set it all up, parents got confused and I never finished a single game.\n\nJust felt compelled to Google it see if I can get a copy to play with my kids...\n\nAnd there's a [remake](https://www.board-game.co.uk/product/key-to-the-kingdom/?gclid=CjwKCAiAwKyNBhBfEiwA_mrUMmAkPiaYYMkKiRzB2xZM_V-0iHQbyd5D_6M9QPHyoRdAEaImy7WkkxoCLCcQAvD_BwE) !", "The original ones are worth some big money now, too! A good condition set could go for like 300-400 iirc. I’d considered getting the remake just to get it out of my system, but I’m not digging the art style changes tbh, and for $40 I think imma pass.", "Damn dude for real?? Got any pics of the minis?", "My best friend's daughter is dating a mormon. Really nice guy and he pretty much never brings up his religion.", "The BRODE SWODE", "Keep up with the times dude, it’s been rereleased. Although it’s already sold out on Amazon.\n\n[EDIT] [GameStop has it.](https://www.gamestop.com/toys-games/board-games/products/hasbro-heroquest-board-game/298283.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-aCq2cPK9AIV8m1vBB3u9A4_EAQYASABEgKK3PD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)", "https://www.gamestop.com/toys-games/board-games/products/hasbro-heroquest-board-game/298283.html?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-aCq2cPK9AIV8m1vBB3u9A4_EAQYASABEgKK3PD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds", "Yes, but when will he get around to telling us the best part about HeroQuest?", "I got it last month from when they were doing their crowdfunding deal last year. If you've played the original, it's what you wish an update would be: pretty much the same but with better production values. \n\nPlay it every weekend with my kids (9 & 10). Worth every damn penny.", "Why does a major company need to crowdfund a game?", "My dad was DM. I was always the barbarian and elf. Sister was wizard and dwarf.", "Yeah I got it for Christmas as a kid and never got to play it. In had no one to play with so I'd just open it up and fuck play with the pieces. The box art is badass too", "Bro, I'm still there... I'm an adult and I have board games and no one who wants to play them. Shit is depressing.", "How the fuck did I miss that?\n\nI bought the game off eBay several years ago... I think I paid something like 150$ (CAD)", "Without sounding corny but I spent so many hours/days with my friends...", "I don't personally but there are tons of unboxing vids on youtube. Look for \"Mythic Tier\", it had extra minis.", "This is the best news I've heard all year", "Hasbro has a whole site called \"Haslab\" where they crowdfund projects that are more geared toward adult collectors, are significantly larger than regular figures, and are at a relatively high price point. My guess is that they would have a hard time selling boutique items like that on retail shelves, so they do the crowdfunding platform. They could just do Pre-Order before production, but w/ crowdfunding you can add stretch goals and improve the product the more backers it has. \n\nI don't think they \"need to\", but its smart and they have made some rad shit through Haslab.", "Then you get to play as the Barbarian AND the Dwarf, and then argue with yourself who gets the brode sode.", "\"Adorable Bunny\"..... \"Symbol of immortal evil.\"", "The best part about the best part about hero quest is the comments.", "I miss this game :(", "I wish I still had mine :(", "The worst part about heroquest is being 10 and knowing how awesome it is, but no one to share it with. Fantasizing about getting past the first couple dungeons and actually buying the awesome weapons with gold. Trying to play by yourself. Say fuck it and play starcraft instead but your parents yell at you for playing video games so you start smoking weed and quickly develop addiction to harder drugs and life really goes downhill\n\nAnd the pieces break easily", "Made a shot-for-shot remake of this video last year while under lockdown. \n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/lMcdIwnyRcA", "He just released a new vid I need to watch it.", "There is 100% a Facebook group or forum where you can find locals to play board games with. Or find your local board game shop and ask if they do or know of open board game nights.", "Yeah, I really need to give it a try. Anxiety and depression absolutely does not help haha. But thank you for the suggestion", "I inherited my dad's HeroQuest and Key to the Kingdom! \n\nThe problem with Key to the Kingdom is people bouncing back and forth through the whirlpool to kill you if you try to exit, we had to make a house rule about that.\nAlso everyone chases you as soon as they get a hint that you might have the key.", "This is what I thought it was going to be too.", "One of the best videos on YouTube", "That man is australian.", "There are essentially three Australian accents, this is the standard one. The sterotypical one you're thinking of is the Broad Australian Accent, which is more common in rural and poorer areas, and is what Hollywood tends to go to when making a character \"Australian\".\n\nThe third is the uncommon Cultivated Australian Accent, which is what Cate Blanchett speaks with.", "\"Broad Australian Accent\" AKA the bogan accent. Often used by \"houso tip rats\".", "It's time for another cracking unboxing! I wish he would do more of those (or actually more of anything, really).", "I wanted it for my bday or christmas but never got it.", "No way, for reals?! I was referring to the boy in the ad.", "Ashens did [a side by side comparison vid](https://youtu.be/7OOV0k2zXjQ) that's pretty good.", "It's using crowdfunding more as a way to gauge interest than as a means of attaining capital.", "Yeh, for a comer after of Steve Jackson's Melee and Wizard.", "I don't know, man. Tips on finding \"locals\" online from u/PmMe_Your_Perky_Nips? Kinda dodgy, don't you think?", "I always enjoy the video never mentions the gameplay.\n\nFor those unaware there are a lot of issues with the actual gameplay design but that doesn't matter as the rest of it is so nice.", "Cool, thanks. I’ve got 1 1/2 original sets plus two expansions. Shame I didn’t know about the crowd funder", "THE BROADE SOADE", "He’s Aussie. Judging by the architecture of the house, I’d bet he’s in Queensland. Looks like a Queenslander.", "Hero Quest is so great because the Trial kills everyone by being the hardest quest with the least experience first up.", "Thank you OP. This thread reminded me go buy it. I now have a copy!", "Bro that’s the name of the game! My grandma had it in her basement(although I think my uncle reclaimed it eventually) my siblings were too young to play, so I just read through all the scenarios and cards", "Thanks! I owned this as a kid and just bought it again. Can't wait to play it with my daughter!", "We played this at the end of every school year from 5th-8th grade. It was a great way to wrap up the school year. We looked forward to the end of the year when there was no learning left. \nI was able to secure two copies for myself. So far I haven't been able to set up a game. I would love to create a campaign to go across both game boards.", "The broad soad?", "Hero Quest always seemed to me like it was deliberately designed to be a gateway drug for pen & paper RPGs and fantasy boardgames. Meant to give you a taste, but leave you unsated and wanting more.", "> new miniatures\n\nUh-oh. Bearded dude warned us about that.", "You should be narrating documentaries. Or voice acting. Or both.", "I am 9 pieces away from completing a set. I have two other incomplete sets to trade for pieces if anyone is interested.", "This is what I imagine most redditors to look like", "Yep. Fortunately games like Descent, Gloomhaven Jaws of the Lion, Castle Ravenloft, Arcadia Quest, etc. Refine the gameplay.\n\nSimilar to Mice and Mystics, playing homebrew Hero Quest was much more fun than the jankiness of the actual game.", "I begged my parents to get this game because the ad was SO good. But I never played it because I have absolutely no idea what the hell you're supposed to do.", "Haha, I loved this video so much.", "I was randomly recommended this guy's videos this past week. The algorithm works in mysterious ways", "I was freebasing coke at age 14 within weeks of my first Hero Quest playthrough.", "YOU CAN'T EVEN TELL WHAT THIS IS!\n\nThis is a gargoyle!", "Jeez, I paid $100 on ebay several years ago for an original in really good shape. Are board games ALL this expensive now??", "I have a copy of this game sitting in my closet, was not expecting to find a video on it", "The HeroQuest re-issue has a compendium app and makes solo play easy, you just won't be very surprised.", "I'm confuse. What's the best thing about hero quest?", "I would love to play modern Hero Quest, but sadly my box is over 20 years old and non-existent at this point.", "Looks like he released a [new video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA40UWIktDs) just the other week!", "Played this one on an emulator back in the day! I had a lot of bugs and glitches, but it was still pretty fun!", "I don't normally respond to videos with videos, but if you haven't seen the AVGN clip of this game, i highly recommend it.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/-mpQ7_WXHd8\n\nThis is how the game ACTUALLY went 9 times out of 10.", "I saw that HeroQuest had a new 2021 version but it's still quite expensive.", "The only thing I don't like about HeroQuest is that due to copyright, they forced my favorite game series of all time, Hero's Quest to change it's name to Quest for Glory.", "I still have my set along with the expansions somewhere but this just reminded me of an even older board game I used to play that I think was just called Dungeons. Off to Google for my nostalgia fix!", "He convinced me but i still have no clue about what the game is or how it plays", "Whoosh", "Wow, that’s… really specific.", "And Atari! It was amazing", "But that's the best part about hero quest.", "Jesus christ man, sometimes it's comforting to read that somewhere out there someone walked a very parallel path to your own.", "You can still order direct, you do NOT have to order from a third party like bigbadtoystore.\n\nhttps://hasbropulse.com/products/heroquest-game-system-1", "People asking \"where can I get it\" \"do I still have to pre-order\"\n\nBuy it direct here https://hasbropulse.com/products/heroquest-game-system-1", "Well, yeah, if you know Bob Hawke is." ]	196	videos	Why Heroquest is so Great
https://youtu.be/7lwO-x84hN8	/r/videos/comments/r8q8yn/attack_of_the_show_the_loop_is_the_movie_theatre/	[ "I feel like vip theaters or theaters with recliner seating are becoming more in demand in NA. People like staying home for various reasons and just renting something through streaming services - big tv, surround sound already, comfy chairs, etc. \n\nAt least in my city, vip theaters are doing more business than normal theaters. By a fair bit. Even an actual IMAX theater (which has really narrow old style seating still) is not seeing as much attendance as vip theaters. \n\nPlus people like not having to wait at a concession stand and all, and most vip theaters have booze too of course.", "Dead? Not at all.", "Not dead. On the decline though? Yes.", "What year was this recorded? It's almost got the energy of those video reports from The Onion.", "Not IMO. I saw Halloween Kills on opening night, it was sold out. That’s pretty recent.", "The box office numbers speak for themselves", "Yeah. A sell-out on opening night. That speaks.", "Can you spell ignorant?", "Yes. It’s on my screen because you just typed it. Put the mirror down.", "What I considered decline were revenue numbers per quarter and overall year. They are improving but haven’t reached pre-COVID of ‘19. However, as long as the next two quarters are still increasing, then this is a big comeback from previous bankruptcy filings and debt.\n\nhttps://investor.amctheatres.com/financial-performance/quarterly-results/default.aspx#" ]	10	videos	Attack Of The Show! - The Loop: Is The Movie Theatre Dead ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvuAFYXhN8E	/r/videos/comments/r8qkc6/epic_fart_shuts_up_mom/	[ "what happened to the strawberries lol", "Must have been sitting on a hard surface", "What you heard was probably the last stage of him digesting them.." ]	3	videos	Epic fart shuts up mom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUKRBp4NLAk	/r/videos/comments/r8qprf/most_creative_mortal_kombat_combo_ive_done_in_an/	[ "Im hard pressed not to down vote you for cutting the video before the fatality begins! But in the end I am here for the juggling.", "That's awesome, I grew up playing MK1, 2 and 3. Which version are we at now?", "That was freaking insane.\n\nOne of those things where you have to wonder if the developers even conceived of such a thing.", "Well Mk11 is the latest entry \nBut I prefer it's predecessor ( Mk XL)\nThat's the one in this video right now", "Thank you very much 🤟👌", "The developers did a good job with this game", "Tbh it wasn't my fault the video cut.\nMy friend quit quit the game as soon as the combo ended 😂😂😂", "I grew playing mk9, mk Vs DC and Tekken 6😂", "I grew up playing mk9, mk Vs DC and Tekken 6😂", "This is a perfect representation of me anticipating a chill weekend/vacation then getting text messages from work.", "What makes you prefer Mk XL over Mk11?", "This is MKX, but MK 11 is the latest. The graphics are nice MK11, but MKX seems more fun to me for some reason.\n\nAwesome memories of MK1 arcade. I always loved the old (wire-fu) kung fu movies and later Big Trouble in Little China. At first I thought Shang Tsung, Liu Kang, and Raiden were all characters from that movie. Lol. \n\nI wish they would make a retro style MK again closer to the original with live motion capture again,and without all of the outworld stuff. Probably just nostalgic, but I liked it most when it felt like playing an old kung-fu movie. Or maybe just make a Big Trouble in Little China game with the same engine.", "For starters, Mk XL has more combo creativity, u can run it mk XL, The Roboit ninjas like cyrax, smoke, Sektor and cybersub0 are in the game and the DLC characters(Alien, Predator, Jason Voorhees, Leatherface) we got were interesting, gameplay felt faster and it's more fun to watch", "Sorry bud,", "If I played for 15 years I'd still never be this good lol", "Yeah if they were to remake MK1 I'd definitely be down for that.", "I have faith that you will transcend from human to elder god if you played mortal Kombat for 15 years", "I used to main Cyrax in MK9 because he had a 55% combo that was decently easy to pull off. When MKX came out I stopped playing as much, this makes it seem I missed out lol.", "Cyrax was the king of mk9, if u were touched by a good Cyrax player with 3 bars of meter in mkx, you're practically dead", "💯💯💯", "\"Finish Him\" > On Monday: \"We're sorry to announce we have decided to terminate your employment at company X\".", "Over zoom" ]	22	videos	most creative mortal kombat combo i've done in an actual match
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8r5b9/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/r8r5b9/deleted_by_user/	[ "That was literally my kid dream to make a super long track and some cool stuff, take it apart and make something else cool. Glad I experienced watching this, made my moment.", "it was relaxing to watch for some reaason", "I dont know about \"awesome\". Is it being pushed most of the way? I'm sure they had a blast building it but to me it's kinda boring... lacks creativity.", "I talked to the op of this vid and they admitted that they had to push the car through parts of the track, especially (obviously) the parts that go underwater. \n\nKind of ruins the cool factor for me.\n\nEdit: different vid actually, though I'm pretty sure it's the same creators.", "You can see certain part of the clips are cut and pieced together. Look at 0.49. Entire light changes", "Nice work, what camera did you use?", "The jump cuts hurt my soul", "Yeah, it's pretty cool." ]	8	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/cYApo2d8o_A	/r/videos/comments/r8rn2g/in_light_of_this_weeks_tragedy_i_wanted_to_bring/	[ "The right wingers are THE problem", "Right or left, they all do it. As long as companies control the politicians we will never get out of this cycle.", "Yeah, pretty sure Marilyn Manson is canceled now so pretty much anything he's done is finito.", "\"I would listen to them, and that\"s what no one did.\" Wow.", "The left is trying to get you healthcare, fair wages, rights to abortion access, access to voting. The right is fighting to block those things. It's not 'both sides'.", "You have been well programmed.", "Can we stop using the term \"cancelled\" for this shit please? Just say it for what it is: He is accused of abuse. That sure as hell doesn't mean he's done though: Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rihanna and still has a career. I am unclear how this is the case, but there you have it.", "As long as politicians have power to sell.", "Except in this instance teachers and admin DID listen and address the issue with the kid. The PARENTS played a huge role in this. Glorifying the firearm and telling her son it is ok to look up information about obtaining ammunition as long as he doesnt get caught. This is all on record.", "We all have power to sell. (In some way or another) The problem is that it’s for sale.\n\nIt takes money and power to get anything done in politics. You make connections and scratch their backs so you can do what you want to do. Even the founding fathers all had links to some company or were owners of them and twisted certain things to their advantage.", "They’re not wrong", "triggered", "The only thing that is different is their rhetoric.", "The kid literally wrote “The thoughts won’t stop. Help me.” The teachers and admin knew of his actions, but never sat and down listened to him, helped him, or took him seriously. Just sent him back to class. That’s not “addressing” anything.", "If that triggers you, perhaps go deal with it in a more productive fashion than trying to troll people on the internet with idiotic retorts that in no way suit the post you reply to.", "fite me tough guy!", "IN LIGHT OF RECENT EVENTS, we really shouldn’t be looking for Marilyn Manson’s input on anything. Guy is a serial sexual abuser and rapist.", "This is the correct response.", "Says the fuckwit that tried to start the fight.\n\nI'm not wasting my time with buffoons that try to stir up trouble via internet posts so they can feel better about their sorry, pathetic lives. See ya.", "I am zero of those things. be quiet", "hello", "Its both sides my little brainwashed nugget", "This very edited video doesn't show anything.\n\nWhy didn't you show the video of the testimony given rather than this shit for like hoarding?", "Except that’s not true in this case", "At 3:10 he starts a little bit which I've heard from a song. I can't remember what it is. Anyone know it?\n\nIt finishes with \"keep everyone afraid, and they'll consume.\". And the song starts.", "Oxford school administration is absolutely one of the failures that allowed this to happen.", "Proof that even a piece of shit can be right about some things. \n\nEDIT: Oxford is not far from Flint by the way. I think the counties border each other, you might need to drive through Lapeer to get to Flint but for some reason I wanna say you can go west to Grand Blanc instead. \n\nAnyway, the point of that is, Flint is where the youngest school shooting ever to take place in the US is - and of course, Flint is also just Flint. Lapeer is where Timothy McVeigh called home for a time and met the Nichols brothers. Oxford, while itself a pretty nice town, is sandwiched right between the shit shows that are Flint and Detroit. \n\nThis part of the country has been intentionally neglected by our federal government since at least the 1970s. I urge all of you to read into the effect the General Motors vacancy had on the area, but especially in Flint. Flint is a company town without a company, and the policies enacted by our federal government enabled it.", "First time Ive heard of this, any source or further info you can provide?", "You’ve been poorly programmed", "k", "EZ Google times bud. It’s been widely spilled in the news", "One of favorite artists of all time and easily my favorite musician, the man’s a creative genius. His entire career he’s used imagery and concepts of creepy and grotesque to parallel and mock the ideologies of fascism, capitalism, religion, and the media. He is the king of shock rock. He’s an artist. He’s meant to polarize. If you aren’t a fan, don’t understand why anyone would be, hate him/are offended by him, that’s completely fair and I can understand. The entire point of art is to instill emotion in the viewer, whichever side you’re on you’re still apart of the experience.", "To clarify, by “this instance” the above commenter means Oxford, and not Columbine which is the subject of the OP video. Dylan Klebold’s mother has since turned to activism in light of the tragedy her son helped cause at Columbine.", "Both you nitwits are dogs chewing on the same bone, arguing over nonsense.", "https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Manson\n\nUnder Personal Life, there is a subsection “Abuse Allegations”. There’s been a lot of news about it over the past year or two.\n\nThe most interesting tidbit to me is that Evan Rachel Wood - who was involved with Manson long ago - didn’t come out with allegations until she was arguably more famous than Manson…which eliminates the coattail riding argument. She is the star in the HBO Westworld show. Esme had a minor role in Game of Thrones. I’m not sure who all else was involved. This last paragraphs is more my opinion.", "That's why I blocked him and am not engaging with him further.", "Allegedly. And even if it was true, it doesn’t change the power and intelligence and empathy of his words in this interview.", "who ya calling nitwit, nitwit", "<3 thank goodness!", "I hate him because he's an abusive piece of shit, nothing to do with art.", "Allegations = guilty on reddit", "It changes the way you feel about a moral message when the messenger is likely a sex abuser.", "[ Jump to 03:10 @ Marilyn Manson - Bowling For Columbine](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYApo2d8o_A&t=0h3m10s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: NothingFanboy, Video Popularity: 98.63%, Video Length: [03:55])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@03:05](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYApo2d8o_A&t=0h3m5s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Thanks! Very interesting. Really have not heard, guess I’ve been living under a rock.", "healthcare by making it state-run, and as we see with Medicare and Medi-cal that is not a good thing. Go to your local county hospital and compare the service to Keiser or other big names. It is like night and day. I go into a General hospital here in California and I get long ass wait times and they try and push you out the door as quick as possible with a prescription for meds that don't even help. Meanwhile once I switched to Keiser they actually do due diligence and find the problem. \n\n\nFair wages? You mean by mandating 15/h? All that does is raise price of goods and services right along with it and devalues other jobs that are worth that wage. Grocery store jobs and fast food jobs should be for high school and college kids, not Mother of 2. She should study for a month or two and get a trade. Think that is hard? Took me 2 weeks to get licensed as a pest control tech and make double grocery store pay. \n\n\nAbortion is a contentious issue, as we can't seem to wrap our head around a heartbeat being life. Nobody sane on either side wants to remove access from abortions in the case of rape/abuse. But getting an abortion because it is convenient for you and you can't be bothered to keep your legs closed or use contraception is just horrid and a stain on society. \n\n\nNo other country has a problem with using ID and Drivers Licenses to vote. The left says it is somehow racist, because according to them black people can't figure out how to get a free ID from the state. Who are the real racists again? \n\n\nI am so tired of leftists trying to make the Democrats seem like the party of the people. No, they are the party that plays on your kneejerk reactions and headlines to fill voting quotas, then once in power do jack shit besides skyrocket inflation and gas prices. Only thing that has really changed since Trump was in office is the amount of money people have is far lower and the shit they can buy is decreasing by the day. Meanwhile Amazon and other big companies have skyrocketing profits, crazy how Trump was the big business guy but Biden isn't even with all this happening. Use your brain, already.", "Creative genius/serial rapist* \n\nfixed that for you bud", "The nazis thought smoking was unhealthy.\n\nWere they wrong?", "Isn’t the whole poor misunderstood bullied kids in columbine is a big myth?\n\nOne kid was a psychopath and the other was just a decently popular kid who was talked into it.", "Even Hitler liked dogs.", "He said the president was more influential on teens than someone like him. He's dodging the point, and I don't even think he probably had anything especially to do with that horrible incident. Also, the public has been ignoring his unhinged actions for many years. Look up his attacks on his band members, \\on stage\\. Also, his guitarist literally said in an interview that it was a bad experience, but he just needed the money.", "The Nazis also slaughtered millions of people, so they aren't exactly the pinnacle of moral authority either.\n\nSomething something broken clock.\n\nThe pedants have decided to burden us with their fuckery. What fun!\n\nThere, are you clowns happy now? Goddamn Reddit.", "Methamphetamine is a stimulant. What else were they supposed to use it for?", "You've missed the point.", "That is absolutely untrue. I advise you to read up on the circumstances surrounding this tragedy. Admin and teachers brought this to the parents advised therapy but the parents, unsurprisingly considering their prior behavior, left him in school and did nothing.", "Wrong. Read up on this tragedy more.", "To be fair the left voters are the ones trying to get all that. The politicians on the left seem to say they want those things but don't actually try very hard to get them. And fuck Manchin and Sinema.", "Rapey Mary Linn Manson? \n\nNo thanks.", "Yeah, because you didn't make one", "I’m not advocating he be thrown in jail without due process. There is A LOT of smoke coming out of this alleged fire. Enough that praising him as a symbol of empathy is nutty.", "Not true. Everybody is different. I think Louis CK is generally an okay guy and did some dumb things he feels bad about.\n\nManson seems to have decided to live the life of a sex cult leader and caused a lot of collateral damage in the process of living out that fantasy. I’m allowed to draw inferences and form opinions based on news and responses by Manson and his legal team. And I think Manson is a remorseless abuser.", "Wrong, no. Should we produce ad campaigns saying “Adolf Hitler doesn’t smoke and neither should you!”\n\nAlso no. A stopped clock is right twice a day.", "DARE campaigns.", "Or in the other case either, Columbine was not the result of bullying or neglect. Total fabrication.", "We still give “GO” pills to our pilots in the military", "I'm generalizing. Sue me", "He’s right the administrators let him go back to class and gave no punishment. The school superintendent has released to the media “that no punishment was warranted”.. \n\nThey didn’t invite the school resource officer to the meeting\n\nThey didn’t ask him/search for guns or weapons. The murderess drawing of a gun with blood, and searching up ammunition during class, are the reasons he was in meeting with his parents. He had the hun on him during that meeting. \n\nNow does the negligence transfer into prosecutable charges? We’ll see", ">healthcare by making it state-run, and as we see with Medicare and Medi-cal that is not a good thing. Go to your local county hospital and compare the service to Keiser or other big names. It is like night and day. \n\nHey what if when we overhauled the health care system we actually overhauled it and made it better. Our system is so broken many people can't afford any* care let alone sub-par care. \n\nOne third of all go fund me donations are for medical costs:\n\nhttps://time.com/5516037/gofundme-medical-bills-one-third-ceo/\n\n>“When we started in 2010, it wasn’t purposefully set up and built to be a substitute for medical insurance,” Solomon told CBS MoneyWatch. “We weren’t ever set up to be a health care company and we still are not. But over time, people have used GoFundMe for the most important issues they are faced with.”\n\n\nYou seem to not know the purpose of the minimum wage, maybe FDR who implemented it should explain:\n\n>In my Inaugural I laid down the simple proposition that nobody is going to starve in this country. It seems to me to be equally plain that no business which depends for existence on paying less than living wages to its workers has any right to continue in this country. By \"business\" I mean the whole of commerce as well as the whole of industry; by workers I mean all workers, the white collar class as well as the men in overalls; and by living wages I mean more than a bare subsistence level-I mean the wages of decent living.\n\nhttp://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/odnirast.html\n\n\n>devalues other jobs that are worth that wage\n\noh no honey, they're worth more. You just don't realize it because min wage is so rock bottom anything above that seems like a gift.\n\n>Grocery store jobs and fast food jobs should be for high school and college kids, not Mother of 2. She should study for a month or two and get a trade. Think that is hard? Took me 2 weeks to get licensed as a pest control tech and make double grocery store pay.\n\nGood for you, but some college kids are supporting themselves, some teenagers need to supplement their parents wages to keep the family from debt due to low wages or medical costs or other tragedies, and some single mothers can't afford to take a month off if they want to keep their children fed.\n\n>Abortion is a contentious issue, as we can't seem to wrap our head around a heartbeat being life.\n\nThe issue isn't whether a fetus is technically biologically alive. The issue is if they are a person deserving the rights of personhood. A tapeworm is alive and there is no law against killing tapeworms if you're infected.\n\n>But getting an abortion because it is convenient for you and you can't be bothered to keep your legs closed or use contraception is just horrid and a stain on society.\n\nPregnancy is a very serious medical condition. Even good pregnancies can go very wrong at any point. It's not a matter of \"convenience\". It's a health care matter.\n\n>No other country has a problem with using ID and Drivers Licenses to vote. The left says it is somehow racist, because according to them black people can't figure out how to get a free ID from the state. Who are the real racists again?\n\nVoting is a right. ID cards are not a right. You can't make ability to use your rights hinge on something that's not a right. If ID cards were a right you might have an argument. But right now some people can't afford to take the time off of work to go hang out at the DMV to get an ID. ID laws disproportionally affect the poor. And for some reason a higher percentage of black people are poor. I wonder what the reason is.\n\n>I am so tired of leftists trying to make the Democrats seem like the party of the people.\n\nThis we agree on. Fuck the politicians, they're all shit. They promise people on the left anything to get themselves voted in and then do jack shit. They blame republicans for obstruction as a cop out for really trying.", "Have you read up on it? Did you listen to the prosecutor herself, in her opinion they were negligent. I’m taking her opinion, I think she knows more.", "What really?!", "Yes, overlook good points being made because it came to light after the fact that the person who brought them forth isn't a saint.", "I don't think he will realize even when you point it out.", "Yes. I’m sure there are good people also making these good points we could shine a light on instead.", "What you do think \"broken clock\" means, you dense cabbage? Your inability to comprehend doesn't make me wrong.", "\"trust politicians to overhaul the system, they totally will guys we promise this time!\" Nah, they won't and it will just stay the heaping pile of shit it is now. Going without insurance but still going to a decent hospital and incurring the cost is by far and wide better then going to a hospital that does everything BUT treat the condition.\n\nI am stating the known and current repercussions to increasing the minimum wage, not some long-gone politicians ideal for it. Please stay in the present and reality, thank you. Try to be less demeaning in an argument next time and maybe people will take you seriously more often.\n\nMaking the assumption I do not support myself and didn't pay my own way. Most jobs will often pay for training, but you can't be bothered to look up facts only your feels and your huge student loan debt. Paid training, Google it.\n\nTHE ONLY ISSUE is whether the baby is alive or not. That is the only argument going today. Don't try and shift the issue to suit your pov. Also way to equate a baby human to a tapeworm.... that tells a lot about your mentality. \n\nPregnancy is incredibly safe these days, roflmao at you trying to grasp straws to support your immoral stance. This isn't the dark ages anymore, sorry not sorry.\n\nProving who you are verifies your vote as being, well, FROM YOU. Not someone who died 6 months ago and their grandson slipped in a ballot in their name. Stop pretending POC cannot get ID's. It's racist.\n\nNo real substance in your post besides fluff and personal feelings. I am incredibly disappointed that this is the quality of discourse on this site, and it really goes to show how misinformed and willfully ignorant most are here. Shameful, but I guess not unexpected.", "Yeah, and the Oxford school shooter \"allegedly\" killed 4 students despite us all knowing he did it. It's a legal term used to cover asses. \n\nLook at the number of people accusing Manson of abuse. Either it's a grand conspiracy involving dozens of accusers, or you can connect the dots like a rational individual and draw your own likely conclusions.", "So you're saying someone that uses methamphetamine as a stimulant is an unreliable source of information?", "You really need it spelled out for you, huh?\n\nMaybe, just fucking maybe, the Nazis aren't the pinnacle of moral and ethical authority. Shocking!", "friggin’ Lieberman low-key shitting on indie labels, that prick!", "Lmao. Now who's missing the point.", "Clearly still you. Try and keep up.", "Ok bro", "not in europe it aint", "And if they were females he would put them in the Bad Girl's Room until they learned how to communicate in a healthy, positive manner.", "But the message wouldn’t be as powerful because it was him that was being attacked and blamed for Columbine.", "I was a fan until I learned how he is an abusive serial pos rapist. Now idgaf about his art. Fuck this absolute garbage person.", "They advised therapy? They didn't give him some therapy right then and there?\n\nWhen someone is in a crisis, you don't advise them or their parents to do something at a later date. You do something about it right then and there.", "Except guilt is a legal term. No court case, no guilt.\n\nI don't make the rules, I don't even like Manson in the slightest regardless of allegations because he's a shit artist.", "I'm closer to this than you i guarantee iy. You are wrong.", "What’s even funnier, is all the suburban Karen moms in the 90’s thought Marilyn Manson was an evil piece of shit. Progressives relentlessly mocked them for this and touted how smart and well spoken he was, feeling like he owned the religious right. Turns out all of those Karens were right the whole time.", ">Please stay in the present and reality, thank you.\n\n\n>Try to be less demeaning in an argument next time and maybe people will take you seriously more often.\n\n\n>you can't be bothered to look up facts only your feels and your huge student loan debt\n\n\n>Try to be less demeaning in an argument next time and maybe people will take you seriously more often.\n\n\n>Paid training, Google it.\n\n\n> Try to be less demeaning in an argument next time and maybe people will take you seriously more often.\n\nLol I digress because otherwise I'll be here all day.\n\n>Nah, they won't and it will just stay the heaping pile of shit it is now. \n\nIf it's a heaping pile of shit now and the danger is it will continue to be that, then what do we have to lose? I'd rather fight and try to make this country the best it can be than just shrug and say \"It could be worse\".\n\n>Making the assumption I do not support myself and didn't pay my own way.\n\nNo I believe you did.\n\n>Most jobs will often pay for training\n\nAh sorry around where I live we call those apprenticeships. A lot fewer of those where I live than customer service jobs. Not everybody can migrate into those fields, there just isn't enough positions available. It's not my \"feelings\" it's straight math. I don't know how you think only college students and high school kids can fill all the low positions in all fast food places, grocery stores, shops, and restaurants.\n\n\n>THE ONLY ISSUE is whether the baby is alive or not. That is the only argument going today. Don't try and shift the issue to suit your pov. Also way to equate a baby human to a tapeworm.... that tells a lot about your mentality.\n\nBy reducing the argument to just about life you make it impossible to not equate a fetus to a parasite, as both are alive and apparently that is the only thing that matters to you. If life is the only argument then all parasite lives matter. The argument has always been about the rights of women vs the rights of a fetus. Humans lives have more worth and therefore rights than any other form of life. The question is how many of those rights confer to a fetus. So there is more to it.\n\n>Pregnancy is incredibly safe these days, roflmao at you trying to grasp straws to support your immoral stance. This isn't the dark ages anymore, sorry not sorry.\n\nThe risk of death may be comparatively low but it is still there. And I believe the general consensus is if there is a simple procedure to remove completely the risk of death, people should have access to it. Note I said people not humans. Because that's the argument. What rights does a fetus have? Also I meant more than just risk of death. You can't do certain activities while pregnant, you can't take certain medications while pregnant, you can't get vaccines, you can't get many medical procedures done. If you don't have a support system and being pregnant makes it so you can't do the things you need to do to survive, like work, or cook, or clean what do you do?\n\nPregnancy is one of THE biggest medical conditions you can have. It changes literally everything about what you can and can't do safely and what risks of certain things are.\n\nMaybe take a read through here for just some random little things you might not be aware of:\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/ldgahy/pregnant_women_of_reddit_what_is_something_you/\n\n>immoral stance\n\nIrrelevant when it comes to the law. Morals are relative, laws are not. Should not wearing a burka be illegal because some people find it immoral for women to do so?\n\n>Not someone who died 6 months ago and their grandson slipped in a ballot in their name.\n\nWhat if shapeshifters kidnap me and vote in my place? There isn't significant evidence of voter fraud to warrant the restrictions.\n\n>Stop pretending POC cannot get ID's. It's racist.\n\nThis isn't the gotcha you think it is. The IDs disproportionally affect the poor's ability to vote. And a disproportionate amount of POC are lower income. Not my fault or theirs the system is racist.\n\n>No real substance in your post besides fluff and personal feelings. I am incredibly disappointed that this is the quality of discourse on this site, and it really goes to show how misinformed and willfully ignorant most are here. Shameful, but I guess not unexpected.\n\nlol buddy my argument is far more factual than yours. Don't like it, bring some actual facts to the table rather than deflections and your feelings about morality.\n\nFacts:\n\nHealthcare:\n\nhttps://www.epi.org/publication/medicare-for-all-would-help-the-labor-market/\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/10/upshot/medicare-for-all-bernie-sanders-cost-estimates.html\n\nJobs math (got to click around a lot because division between sectors isn't clean)\n\nhttps://www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag07.htm\n\nhttps://www.bls.gov/iag/tgs/iag06.htm\n\nSevere Morning sickness even counts as a serious medical condition under FMLA:\n\nhttps://www.commerce.gov/hr/employees/leave/fmla/serious-health-condition\n\nCommon pregnancy complications:\n\nhttps://www.nichd.nih.gov/health/topics/pregnancy/conditioninfo/complications\n\nTotal maternal mortality rates for 2019 was about 20%:\n\nhttps://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/hestat/maternal-mortality-2021/maternal-mortality-2021.htm#Table\n\nThese are some introductions to the abortion argument, they don't mention whether fetuses are living as part of the argument:\n\nhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/legal/introduction_1.shtml\n\nhttps://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/17/key-facts-about-the-abortion-debate-in-america/\n\nVoter IDs:\n\nhttps://www.aclu.org/other/oppose-voter-id-legislation-fact-sheet\n\nhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html", "Weird that it doesn't mention Charlyne Yi's allegations of harassment and racism.", "Huh? The Karens hated him because of his music and the way he dressed and wore makeup. They didn't know dogshit about his personal life", "It's amazing how much the religious right of the 90's sounded exactly like the woke left of today. They even said Manson \"promoted hate,\" just like lefties today accuse everyone who says something they don't like of doing.", "You might wish to look up the definition. \"Guilt\" isn't exclusive to legalese. The term has use in common nomenclature.", "In terms of accusations of illegal activities it means one thing and one thing only.", "Reddit isn't a court of law, so no.", "Where were the parents at?", "So nobody here has the right or the power to pass judgment in such an instance. Digital vigilantes are so whack.", "Vigilante??? What justice am I imposing on anyone? Quit gatekeeping opinions.", "I'm not accusing you, I'm making a statement.", "Yeah, he also killed Hitler.", "Love him or hate him, he’s more intelligent than people give him credit for.", "Of course they weren’t wrong. Broken clock paradigm", "Neofascists are all the same.", "I’m confused at how many people are using your point as an argument against your point lol", "Nice statement", "Maybe on some other context then?", "The lefts healthcare \"Obamacare\" literally fucking bankrupted me when my wife got breast cancer at 27... And that's with a federal job\n\nFuuuuuuuuck you", "If tobacco companies were using him as reason for lung cancer, you can for sure use this line..", "A stopped clock is still useless and ought to be thrown away.\n\nFuck Marilyn Manson.", "I don’t follow your logic at all.", "[S]aint", "Allegedly", "This isn’t a court of law. It seems pretty clear he did some f***ed up things.", "It doesn’t matter whether or not this is a court of law. In America, you’re innocent until proven guilty", "It does matter. He should go to trial and have an opportunity to defend himself. He’s been accused by so many different individuals though that it’s a waste of our collective time to assume he’s innocent while his legal team makes maneuvers to delay, draw out, or otherwise thwart any effort to convict him.", "lol TIL any person accused by multiple people doesn’t deserve a fair trial", "That’s weird that you interpret “he should go to trial and have an opportunity to defend himself” as “he doesn’t deserve a fair trial.” Quite a leap of logic there.", "In your opinion", "Two likes and a bunch of votes for what? Bs? Knock it off. Shits rigged.", "Yes. They didn’t know their asses from a hole in the ground after being high\nForm Days off of amphetamines.. so basically everything they said was trash. Fuck you. Duck nazis.", "It is weird that people who are very small and not good at jui jitsu wanna talk shit. Get up to 165 lbs then state your opinion." ]	125	videos	In light of this week's tragedy, I wanted to bring back this iconic Marilyn Manson interview from the documentary "Bowling for Columbine". It's just as insightful and accurate today as it was 20 years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmsDgO5By1k	/r/videos/comments/r8rq39/man_spends_2741_messing_with_two_old_compact/	[ "I watch Techmoan's videos all the time. I find it interesting watching someone explain tech from another time.", "The title seems a little passive aggressive. Techmoan is a great channel", "It's the title that Techmoan gave to the video...", "Oops that was ignorant of me. Sorry!", "It's all good :)", "If it seems passive aggressive it';s cause Techmoan is doing anb experiment. Bad title, no comments, no tags, to see what the algorithmn does. Also no surprised face in the thumbnail or big text, cause the algorithmn knows what people like." ]	6	videos	Man spends 27:41 messing with two old compact Compact Cassette decks
https://youtu.be/mpS2CEuZO0o	/r/videos/comments/r8s641/pilot_hand_starts_a_propeller_mid_flight/	[ "🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿ᴡʜᴀᴛ🐿ᴛʜᴇ🐿ʜᴇʟʟ🐿ʙᴏɪ🐿", "They seem chill.", "That plane is so small, I'm sure they could glide it to the ground if they had to.\n\nEdit: yes I know that all planes can glide. It's a fucking big deal if you have to glide a 747 to the ground. It's not as much of a fucking big deal to glide a plane like this one to the ground. It can land and still take off again with much less fuss and much less airspeed.", "Not sure how the plane was able to take off with those massive balls on board.", "Cool, but staged.", "Haa!! that's easy, try getting down and pushing the plane from behind mid-air.", "That's why it stopped mid-air because he grew balls", "I'm fairly certain this is fake. If it's not they're probably losing their pilot licenses.", "CLEAR PROP!", "Every plane with wings can glide to ground. Just need a proper landing area. Planes fly really well without thrust so long as you maintain a glide speed.\n\nSelf edit: Then again, not sure about all jet engine planes.", "Fighter jets probably has a poor gliding distance.", "Yes, it is. People generally don't fly piper cubs with a rope tied around their waist.", "Everyone is tired of this repost bullshit. Try again in r/funny they seem to not know what a joke is", "fake, go ahead and disli-- oh wait.", "Propulsion type doesn't matter so much as aircraft and wing design. Typical passenger jet aircraft have amazing glide ratios, usually 15-20:1. Fighter jets get up there too, around 15:1. All of this assuming electric and hydraulic power to provide control and stability, just no engine thrust.\n\nYour typical Cessna 172 is closer to 8:1. The difference being, heavier, faster aircraft will also fly faster at optimal glide ratio.", "Glide ratio?", "I'm absolutely sure that it's staged just to demonstrate that it can be done. However, if it wasn't stage and actually had to be done, I'd be telling that guy in the back seat to tie a rope to me.\n\nEdit: I rewatched it and maybe what I thought was a knee in the back, isn't such. But I'd still be taking the time to tie myself in if I had to climb halfway out of the plane.", "all planes can glide.", "what do you mean staged? Like induced? No shit lmao\n\n\nIf the prop stopped mid-flight one of the things you can do is point the nose down and it can crank itself.", "Yes, but if you are flying a jetliner and this happens, you can't just plop it down in a small farm field. You need a runway. If you are in a plane like this one, you can land it in a random field and still take off again.\n\nA heavy jet can only glide for a very limited time because it has to maintain sufficient airspeed to maintain lift. A small plane can maintain lift while going only 50mph. A jet needs more like 160mph.", "Why would they lose their pilots licenses?", "This plane in the video isn't a jetliner and nobody was talking about jetliners prior to you mentioning them but ok\n>Yes, but if you are flying a jetliner and this happens, you can't just plop it down in a small farm field. You need a runway \n\nA runway is ideal but you don't NEED a runway to make an emergency landing in an airliner. Take Sully or this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0DO04fO5bY for example \n\n>A heavy jet can only glide for a very limited time because it has to maintain sufficient airspeed to maintain lift.\n\nAirliners can definitely glide on no power. This is what glide speed is or V^BG or V^G but they need to go much faster. \n\n\nhttps://aviation.stackexchange.com/questions/14814/could-a-commercial-plane-like-airbus-a320-glide-with-no-working-engines-from-110#:~:text=For%20the%20A320%20that's%20about,minutes%20to%20reach%20the%20ground.\n\n\nfor an A320 \n>If you wish to maintain the highest altitude, you maintain your best lift drag ratio. For the A320 that's about 220 knots. You will descend about 1500 ft/minute. So from 35000 ft, it will take you roughly 25 minutes to reach the ground. You will travel roughly 90 nm.\n\n220 knots is more than 250mph but 90nm is a long fucking distance. That's assuming you have engine failure at cruise though. If you have engine failure on climb like Sully or the poor guy that landed in the cornfield, you have less distance to maneuver/find a landing spot, but you will still glide to get there\n\nBest glide is simply lift being greater than drag. \n\nhere is a real world application: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider\n\n\nI'm not sure why you would respond to \"all planes can glide\" with \"yes, but...\" \n\nALL PLANES CAN GLIDE Planes are just gliders with thrust and more weight. Even the space shuttle glides (though like a brick at an angle)", "Dude, I said this plane can glide easily to the ground. You said \"um akshually all planes can glide.\" Yes everyone knows that. No one claimed that all planes can't glide. You are arguing with yourself.", "It's probably illegal to do what he did. \n\n\nBest case if he fell with that rope he'd be dangling from the airplane making a safe landing impossible.\n\n\nThe proper procedure is to glide to a safe landing. \n\n\nIIRC There's a guy in Canada who moved passengers around during an engine failure to improve the glide ratio. It resulted in a safe landing but he had his license suspended or revoked because despite the outcome being ok he added a lot of risk to passengers by having them be unbuckled during an emergency.\n\n\nHow it works out isn't the only way you're measured. It's also the risk you take.", "“Probably” \n\nIts not. Cite your FAR before you spew bullshit", "I say \"all planes can glide\"\n\nand you respond with \n\n>yes, but ...\n\n\nno - ALL PLANES CAN GLIDE full stop.\n\nIdk where your \"can't land in a field\" bullshit came from but large planes absolutely can", "Not everyone is American.\n\n\nYou're having a strong over reaction to something that doesn't need it." ]	27	videos	pilot hand starts a propeller mid flight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5--T-xchIk	/r/videos/comments/r8ss43/the_last_picture_show_critics_picks_the_new_york/	[ "This movie was like it was made by the shrink’s shrink on the Sopranos.", "Watch how the camera pushes in when Sam tells his story. He gets so deep in his memories, the boys aren't there anymore. \n\n[Sam's monologue](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWSvo0eMK7E)", "Sorry, I don' quite get what you said about it!", "Ben Johnson got the Oscar, didn't he?\n\nGreat!", "In the Sopranos tv show, the character doctor Melfi who is Tony Soprano’s psychiatrist, also has a psychiatrist. That character is played by Peter Bogdanavich, who directed the Last Picture Show.", "I got it, thanks!" ]	6	videos	'The Last Picture Show' \| Critics' Picks \| The New York Times
https://youtu.be/PyqDxFhhXx0	/r/videos/comments/r8t8w7/bitcoin_had_a_massive_crash_yesterday_and_is_now/	[ "It's not a crash. It went on sale.", "Keep telling yourself that.", "I think he was joking", "30% not 40%.", "You think it's a bad investment long term? Seems to be what you're implying....\n\nHow could anybody think that at this point....", "Ask the people who have invested in it recently if it’s a good investment.", "Flawless logic.", "If there’s a time to buy, it’s now. You don’t buy at the ATH. You buy when it’s discounted.", "Until it goes down another 40% next week.", "Sure if you fundamentally believe it’s a bad investment destined for a massive crash then yeah don’t buy. But if you think it’s around to stay then nows the time.", "thats like saying \"ask the people who trip on sidewalks if they are a good idea\"\n\nJust because some people make stupid decisions, like buying on a high. Does not make the overall idea stupid. \n\nuse your brain.", "But, isn’t crypto going to the moon!? Buying at any price should be irrelevant.", "For long term it is, absolutely. The price it drops too right now is completely irrelevant. \n\nJust buy some more at this price and wait for it to rise again.\n\nlike it always does.", "So it’s fool proof. That amazing!", "Nothing is ever fool proof. Because life will always make a better fool, AKA you since you cant quite grasp the concept of all this lol", "You’re so witty.", "Well at least you are not wrong about that. \n\nBroken clock is right two times a day as the saying goes.", "Another one! A financial genius, AND he’s funny. You must have such a awesome life.", "And there is your 2nd time being right. \n\nThat time quote is pretty spot on.", "WoW check, Wrestling fan check, shitty Bitcoin pusher check. I’m pretty sure you neckbeard life sucks balls.", "and there you are being wrong again :( \n\nLike I said only twice, the quote is pretty accurate lol.", "doesnt it \"crash\" every december, just in time for the christmas buying, so that the corporate holders can buy low and make a killing on the schmucks buying gifts with bitcoin." ]	22	videos	Bitcoin had a massive crash yesterday and is now down 40% from the all time high
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfdZTZQvuCo	/r/videos/comments/r8tf5z/penn_teller_discuss_vaccinations/	[ "Love these guys", "This was made when antivaxx was a 'fringe' thing. I wish P&T would make a new series of bullshit, it's so desperately needed in 2021.", "I feel like shows like that would end up preaching to the choir.", "Good, because choirs are BULLSHIT.", "Man, I remember getting whooping cough as a kid, wasn't even that long ago really, like 2005, that shit sucked, would cough until I couldn't breathe, and then cough some more.", "oh hey its this video for the sixth time this month", "Great show", "I had whooping cough when I was 16. Coughed over and over for months, sometimes I couldn't speak. Many ugly diseases only exist is most people's imagination of a distant past", "> simply being against lockdowns and other draconian authoritarianism means I'm \"antivax\". \n\nAbsolute strawman. Who's saying this?\n\n>Also, when SARS-1, swine flu, etc. were around, nobody was going around villifying people who weren't vaccinated. Nobody was demanding lockdowns on account of them. \n\nThey weren't anywhere near as transmissible or lethal. The two viruses you named killed less than one million people combined. COVID-19 is at 5million and climbing.\n\n>They would be cancelled if they said anything factual about anything going on in 2021.\n\nI wish everyone that uses the word \"cancelled\" unironically could name a single actor/comedian/musician that has been \"cancelled\". This is figment of your imagination.", "Because those diseases were not filling hospitals, also didn't have a vaccine? You say you aren't \"antivax\" but then proceed to make a bunch of bad faith argument points, which makes you sound extremely ill informed", "In paragraph one you said you are against lockdowns. In paragraph three you said staying at home unvaccinated is more effective at stopping the spread of covid than going out in public vaccinated. Well of course that’s true. You’re not gonna spread shit by staying home. To avoid lockdowns (aka staying home) the real comparison is a vaccinated vs. unvaccinated person out in public. Now you stated you are vaccinated and not antivax so I gather you already know the benefits of being vaccinated in public. So I’m not quite sure what you’re even trying to say here.", "> I don't need to believe in your bullshit\n\nNo, but you should believe the reverse is also true. \n\nYou likely won't, but you should.", "You also fervently, wholeheartedly believe that knowingly HIV-positive people should be able to engage in unprotected sex and other risk behaviors with other people without notifying them.\n\nRight?", "Why even post anything if you dont expect that anyone will listen to you?", "Accurate title: Penn Discusses Vaccinations", "On points one and three, seeing as you've listed no one of consequence, I'll assume you concede.\n\nFor point two, yes, there are plenty of illnesses more lethal than COVID-19, but I said transmissible and lethal. This is an important distinction because even if a virus only kills 1% of its hosts, if it was transmissible to the point of infecting every human, 77 million people would die. In this hypothetical, being anti-lock-down would be morally irreprehensible.", "It’s a day old account spewing right wing propaganda. Not worth it.", "Lol, everyone that disagrees with you is a Marxist? What a clown. How long until you make your next account?", "I hope you enjoy it when you eventually grow up one day, you anti-vaxx fascist.\n\nRefresh! Refresh! Refresh! Keep commenting! Must own the lefties!", "Their video on the second amendment is pretty cool too!", "He's already mentioned Orwell twice in this thread. Pretty sure it's just a bored troll. He's probably sneaking in reddit time while his mom takes a nap.", "It's fun sometimes to make them go full \"YOU'RE ALL COMMUNISTS BECAUSE YOU'RE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN ME.\"", ">It was done when lockdowns weren't a thing.\n\nLockdowns were already a thing in medieval times.", "Maybe you should take a break from Reddit for a few days", "A few years back, I met a guy who was a professional scuba diver and caught whooping cough as an adult. He'd been vaccinated against as an infant, but hadn't had any booster shot for it since starting school at age 5. The coughing fits he got were so bad he broke four ribs, and failed his medical clearance to dive. He had to give up a job he loved because of arsewits who won't look after themselves, their kids or their community.\n\nI personally caught measles at 9 months old (too young to be vaccinated at the time), and got the rash really bad on my face and near my eyes. Before I was 10, I'd been diagnosed with myopia which worsened steadily over the following ten years.", "This time around, they lean politically in the direction of the anti-vax crowd", "GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU PILE OF BIG OL' SHITE", "This is performance art, right? I mean, it's so bonkers-nutso that it has to be. There's no way anyone is actually this stupid.", ">\tI really don't give w shit about what some reddit marxist assumes about me.\n\nComplete evasion, no rebuttal, only name calling. Sad. \n\n>This is just meaningless babble. There really is no point in even trying to speak to authoritarian leftists.\n\nMore evasion. The distinction between transmissibility and lethality is far from babble. Ebola is highly lethal, but not very transmissible so it never became full blown pandemic. \n\n>\tWe are already told that there is no stopping from anybody from being infected. \n\nThe vaccine greatly reduces the risk of transmission, but not to zero. No vaccine ever has. This is just how vaccines work.", "And on it goes! Do another! Maybe something about sheeple?", "Perfect! Again! Again!", "Aw, you're not even trying now. Come on, you can do it!", "Care to elaborate more? I get that Penn is a classic libertarian but science doesn't really care about freedoms, and nor should it.", "He’s kind of a riot. Like a teenager that just read Ayn Rand.", "Ah, ran out of gas? Oh, well...maybe another time.", "Ok. Yes. Vaccinations are absolutely crucial. But it's kinda fucked up to compare a kid with autism to.... dead kids?!", "I like Penn and Teller, but they're entertainers, not scientists. They very scientifically take one kid aside in a group of 110 to represent autism, and then very unscientifically just start hurling balls at the unvaccinated group to represent disease. If this video and its implications were true, roughly 70% of all children would die from disease without vaccines which is not remotely accurate to put it lightly. It's an uncomfortably high rate to be sure, but it's NOT 70%.\n\nAnd before anyone says \"who cares, they're still right\" it absolutely matters to keep your facts straight, doubly so if you're right in the first place. Making up numbers/facts to support your opinion/argument, even if you're right, is no better than the Facebook groups that do the same to push conspiracy theories. And secondly if you're right, why open your correct argument up to attack needlessly by misrepresenting or exaggerating it?", "> Like a teenager that just read Ayn Rand.\n\nJust as in \"just now\"? Or as in \"exclusively\"? With this guy, it's hard to tell. Probably both.", "Three whatever comments in a row? I'm sorry to say this, but your performance has seriously gone downhill. But I have faith in you. Keep trying!", "That sound so wrong since in medieval times it was the golden age in muslim countries. But also change nothing to the fact that you lied about lockdowns being a brand new thing.", "You're so brainwashed you even experience cognitive dissonance. You just contradict yourself in the same breath and smile like an idiot.", ">This is a complete fucking myth.\n\nNo, this is [history](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age).\n\n>What a typical leftist piece of idiocy\n\nAgain, this is just [history](https://www.history.com/news/quarantine-black-death-medieval).\n\n> I actually grew up and learned to think past your bullshit.\n\nNah, all you do is lie about facts.", "They're not comparing autism to dead kids. \nThey're talking about consequences of actions.", "Wikipedia have 164 historical sources on this article. All you have is your 'opinion'.", "Yes! That's how it's done! Bravo!", ">Again, this notion has been debunked up and down.\n\nNo it wasn't. That's why you can't link anything. All you got is your racist opinions who don't want Islam countries to have ever acomplish anything ever to keep your idea that white man is by far the supperior thing in this world.\n\n> It just makes you a communist.\n\nI don't know where to start ... this is just so stupid now.", ">\tI don't need to \"rebut\" any of your asinine bullshit\n\nYou don’t have to but if can’t back up your ideas you’re going to look like an idiot. \n\n>\tThere is no proof of any of that. The covid transmission is at an all time high. It hasn't been reduced at all.\n\nNot true. The studies are clear and the scientific consensus is that “Current clinical evidence shows that COVID-19 vaccination protects against severe symptoms of the disease but is also an important tool to decrease the spread of the virus and the rate of infection.” (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8287551/)\n\n>\tYou literally just changed the definition of a vaccine altogether.\n\nWrong again. The MMR vaccine that all kids get is 93% effective against measles, 78% effective against mumps, and 97% effective against rubella (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20392713/)\n\nPlease think about how you’re consuming your scientific and medical information. Almost everything you’ve posted has been incorrect.", "Immunization records have existed for decades. \n\nParents needed them to go to school. And play things like Little League Sports, join the YMCA. People needed them to travel to different countries.", "I don’t think Penn and teller are anti vax now, but the crowd that thought vaccines caused autism were largely left wing, and now the anti-vaxers are largely the opposite, same political lean as Penn. But I’m not claiming that Penn and Teller would let their political views influence their vaccine stance now.", "One side has a pin \"knocked out of line\" to represent a case of autism. The other side has pins \"knocked out of line\" to represent death by illness. That is a LITERAL, visual comparison lmao", "The point is to get people to get vaccinated. \nIf fear is a motivator? Then does the end goal not justify it? \n\nThe point that they aren't highlighting here is, that those that are vaccinated help reduce spread, those vaccinated people are helping to protect everyone. \n\nThe unvaccinated are actively endangering their fellow man. \n\nWhy should they be allowed to literally cause death. But we not be allowed to scare them? \n\nWhere the fuck is the sanity in that?", "Because remember kids anyone who doesn't agree with you is a commie. It doesn't matter what the disagreement is about. It is the only sensible thing.", "And no where do they say they are similar. It's just that in their showcase having the 1 in 100,000 that got autism, which you can not get from a vaccin, being seperate from the group since they are outlier of the norm for the vaccinated group.\n\nIf someone reads in to it that they think autism is as bad as death than you are really trying hard to read something that isn't there in a simple showcase why we have and use vaccinations.", "[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3oZrMGDMMw) is a baby with whooping cough.\n\nSince that's depressing, [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yb7A6IwbwEA) is a healthy baby as a palate cleanser.", "If I thought these videos were effective in their goal of doing good, then maybe I'd say it's excusable. But you have to remember that the people you're trying to convince are characterized by a distrust of institutions/media/etc. and a deeply held belief they're smarter than the average person. \n\nIf you give them an inch (like by even entertaining the notion that vaccines cause autism, and then misrepresenting the death rate of diseases), they'll seize the opportunity to call you out on being dishonest and perhaps convince others that they should also distrust institutions/media.\n\nI don't give a fuck if you want to scare people with facts, because the facts of anti-vaccination are quite scary. But when you make shit up, you discredit the entire argument you're trying to make and get the idiots to dig their heels in even further.", "penn has become less libertarian as time went on, in any other country he would be center left", "> other draconian authoritarianism\n\nIts not authoritarian to keep plague rats off the street.\n\n>nobody was going around villifying people who weren't vaccinated. \n\nBecause there were no vaccines and the the illnesses were properly handled, by the left.\n\n>Also a vaccinated person going to Vegas to do cocaine, gamble and get lapdances and whatnot will spread a lot more covid than an unvaccinated person staying at home. You just pretend it's not true for purely political reasons. \n\nStupid.\n>They would be cancelled if they said anything factual about anything going on in 2021.\n\nThe fact is a bunch of plague rats are the cause of this going on into 2022, and its entirely because of their arbitrary political bullshit.", "My 3 week old kid was on a ventilator for that. He was not considered premature, but came early enough he was in the NICU before his due date.\n\nThankfully he pulled through.", "It's pretty clear they meant lockdowns happening today, in modern democracy. You're making a strawman.", "Listen here you little shit ...", "Mexico, a democracy, went in lockdown in 2009, modern times, because of swine flu. This is also before this video from 2010.", "Time will tell ...", "The otherside has pins KNOCKED OVER.\n\nNotice how they didn't knock the one pin on the left down, they just pulled it outside the group?\n\nHow can you miss something so obvious?", "You wanna link anything debunking it? Because Wikipedia has over 160 times the sources you're providing. Calling anyone who disagrees with you communist is pretty hilarious, sounds like what a communist would do. I think this guy is a fucking commie!", "Penn simply being an atheist would disqualify him from being right in the U.S.", "Alternate: Penn Discusses Vaccinations While Teller Plays With Balls", "Penn and Teller for Co-Presidents?", "Lost any and all respect for Penn Sell-ette when he endorsed Gavin Newsom.", "You won't fool me Teller,\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI know you can speak!", "And when that convenient time comes. Will you admit you were wrong? I don't think so", "Antivaxxers don't listen to scientists", ">It was done when lockdowns weren't a thing. I'm vaccinated, but simply being against lockdowns and other draconian authoritarianism means I'm \"antivax\". \n\nIt's either lockdown or vaccination. Many of those who march don't want either", "They also don't generally listen to anyone who doesn't agree with them anyways.", "A lot of kids were getting it 10-15 years ago because the millenials had hit the need for a booster but weren't getting them after college. My friends and I basically all had kids around the same time and all of immediately made sure we were up to date on it because we weren't going to mess around with it. It's a lot easier to be a carrier of it without knowing because you aren't properly vaxxed.", "The United States locked down all over the country during the Spanish Flu... Lock downs aren't a new thing like people think they are. And places locked down for swine flu more than once and why it never really spread to the US.", "Nobody cares.", "Yes, there was also lockdown everywhere in the world between 2002-2004 because of SARS. I just named the most recent lockdown before that video because the would mostly say it wasn't 'modern' enough if we talk about spanish flu.\n\nI'm sure he will say Mexico isn't 'democracy' enough anyway.", "you are a fucking moron.", "Your mom cared when I told her about it.", "OK. People still think this is funny? Lol.", "The idiotic accounts are just around to muddy the water and cause chaos. Lock downs aren't new by any means... We haven't dealt with something as viralent like COVID-19. I don't know why people don't understand that.", "In case you don't follow Penn's career he is a pretty hardcore vegan now and still very much in support of vaccinations and masks he was also one of the most outspoken anti trump celebrities. I believe he even voted for Biden. He still has what I would consider libertarian views but the actual libertarian party people haven't been happy with him.", "Yeah, that's like someone who got his first cancer being like 'But I never needed chemo before!'\n\nNo shit we didn't had pandemic safety protocols this whole time while we had no pandemic.", "Many people who are called “antivax” today are in favor of these vaccines and only oppose COVID shots. Others are fine with them but against mandates. Others don’t want the forced on children, who are the least likely to have severely COVID, unlike the many other childhood diseases we vaccinate for. \n\nI really wish y’all would stop painting with such a broad brush.", "They never called people who didn’t get an annual flu shots “antivax”, and for most professions weren’t mandating them. Nor were they mandatory for children, even though flu kills more kids every year than COVID.", "There's some nice irony in saying \"you are a fucking moron\" and then offering no rebuttal as to why. You're a true intellectual heavyweight.", "I miss P&T bullshit, it was a great show wish they could do another season", "Our AP Physics teacher had us watch 1 ep a day after the AP test came and went. It was great.", "I'm surprised I still have to remind people of this, actually it's more par for the course given the sheer arrogance of people assuming they have intellectual superiority over everyone at all times. As a note do NOT listen to entertainers of any stripe when it comes to accurate medical, scientific, or even political information on said topics. Yes, even if (and some would argue especially) you agree with absolutely everything they say.", "In reverse order:\n \n1: Children have the lowest mortality rate - but they are still carriers that can and do infect those of our Society with high mortality rates. This gets more problematic given that minor cases are easily brushed off as a cold or something else, so kids are carriers without anyone knowing. Especially given how hard it is to get children to follow other proper ways of limiting virus spread like being careful about their proximity to people, what they touch, washing their hands, etc. You don’t just vaccinate people for their own safety - but to also protect others in the community that can’t be vaccinated for health reasons etc. \n\n2: Mandates: People who are against mandates generally don’t understand social contract theory. That’s really most of the problem summarized. It isn’t your right to be able to go to a coffee shop and get coffee in the community if you don’t ascribe to the rules our society binds itself in to stay healthy, productive, and secure. People who are opposed to this because “They just don’t think the government/business should tell them what to do.” Are basically functionally as stupid as the people that signs have to be put up for that say “No shoes, no shirt, no service”. \n\n3: People who don’t oppose other vaccines but do oppose COVID vaccines specifically fall into many categories. But for the most part they just don’t understand the process for creating and testing vaccinations, they listen to too many (vaccinated) media figure heads telling them to be afraid, and they are doing so because it’s become a political signal that aligns them with their “team”. This one is a bit more complex, because I can construct a million reasons to look up at a blue sky and say I believe it’s purple, it means there will be a world ending meteor shower, and that I know because I read it on Facebook. But in the end, I’m functionally just spreading misinformation, I don’t have any real expertise in the field, and I’m the 2021 equivalent of a chain email my grandparents used to send decades ago. \n\n\nAre all of these slightly different strokes for different folks? Sure. And I think that’s a fair point. But I think equally fair would be to say if I took that metaphor a bit further… a paint roller with fucking ignorant dumbass on the side would make a nice neat stroke that encompasses all of them nicely.", "You're a fucking idiot. 👍", "Like making up autism is a risk from a vaccine? Why is it, that the lies of the\n Anti vaxers don't have to meet the requirements? \n\nBecause bullshit worked once. No reason it won't work again.\n\nCoincidentally hopefully now the morons will realize that the first set of lies are so retarded only an idiot would have believed them. \n\nHow can you say they are giving them that inch. He is literally screaming \"but it fucking doesn't\" at the end.", ">Like making up autism is a risk from a vaccine? Why is it, that the lies of the Anti vaxers don't have to meet the requirements?\n\nWhen the anti-vaxxers make up obvious lies, the reasonable people regard them as idiots. What exactly are you proposing here, that everyone who isn't an anti-vaxxer also engage in their own brand of lunacy and misinformation as a counterweight?\n\n> How can you say they are giving them that inch. He is literally screaming \"but it fucking doesn't\" at the end.\n\nBecause he's already spent the entire video assuming that vaccines do cause autism. Even though it's just for the sake of argument, it comes off optically as implying there is a world in which vaccines do cause autism. No one who thinks vaccines cause autism will pay any heed to any of that, they just see you arguing why it's not a big deal that vaccines cause autism for 2 minutes.", "No, I am saying, \" A couple of entertainers\" properly don't have to meet a bullshit argument with scientific precision to counter an obvious bullshit arguement.\n\nBecause if scientific rigor is applied. The initial argument doesn't work either. \n\nThus any accurate response is invalid in the making.", "See what I mean? You see a person who clearly gives two fucks about your opinion, (likely because they believe you to be a fuckin' moron so can you blame them?) and you prove them right by trying to insult them back with the very same thing they already said about you. This is your problem little fella, you are too stupid to realize how stupid you are. So instead of taking a step back and noticing, you instead require that everyone else try and prove to you your idiocy, which in and of itself is evidence enough that you are a window licker of the highest sort.", "Imagine life without the Polio vaccine. [Paul Alexander...who I believe died recently...lived in an iron lung for most of his life after contracting Polio in 1952.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gplA6pq9cOs)", "I'm just going to let your comment speak for itself. You just wrote a whole fucking paragraph reexplaining that you think I'm dumb rather than make any substantive claim about the actual subject of this thread or my original comment.\n\nHere's why I think you're the moron btw:\n>You see a person who clearly gives two fucks about your opinion\n\nI think you meant to say \"doesn't give two fucks\". \"giving two fucks\" implies you care about my opinion.\n\n>you prove them right by trying to insult them back with the very same thing they already said about you.\n\nYour comment was \"you're a moron\", what the fuck do you expect me to say lmfao\n\n>This is your problem little fella, you are too stupid to realize how stupid you are\n\nJesus you're so high on your own farts. What would you self-diagnose your IQ? Like a modest 150, 160?\n\n>So instead of taking a step back and noticing, you instead require that everyone else try and prove to you your idiocy\n\nI asked for a counterargument to my comment, not a treatise on my idiocy. Maybe I poorly articulated, but I feel like anyone with half a brain would have understood that I'm not asking you to demonstrate that I am a below-average individual intellectually. \n\n>in and of itself is evidence enough that you are a window licker of the highest sort\n\nYeah my man, I'm the windowlicker here. Looking through your comment history, it seems you just go around insulting people and picking fights. You're so smart bro. So smart.", "My understanding from watching this video was that it was targeted at anti-vax or vax-hesitant people. In my opinion, the over-the-top style of this video and the inaccuracy of their method is likely to make those people they're trying to reach feel attacked, causing them to dig their heels in further.\n\nIn other words, if this video is aimed at people who already agree (and they probably do here on reddit), then they're just preaching to the choir but whatever. If it's aimed at people who actually need to hear this, I think it accomplishes the opposite of its goals.", "It will always be funny.", "Well maybe if people stepped back and looked at the people they were associating with, my broad brush wouldn't be near them.\n\nPeople are the company they keep after all.", "If you meet him in a selfie session after a show, dude cannot. Shut. Up it's great.", "Actually SARS, Swine flu patients were locked down heavily within Hospital systems. There wasnt public lockdowns because those types of infections were normally contact traced, quarantined and treated before they had spread extensively through the community via carefully planned procedures guided by WHO.\n\nIt's just with Covid that their infection rates were too high and the negligence of the government and public which allowed things to get out of control.\n\nSo in reality lockdowns were the norm with all communicative diseases albeit usually directed at individuals or concentrated in small hospital spaces.\n\nSource: Hospital worker.", "I loved meeting them after a show. They’re so kind and gracious to everyone.", "I'm getting second dose of covid vaccine in Dec 10\n\nWhile the first one is in november", "Me too. Sadly, Penn said he wanted to do a last \"The Bullshit on Bullshit\" episode because he admits they got several things wrong, but the network wouldn't let them.", "I think the recycling one was the only one I morally disagreed with. \n\nYes, plastic recycling is a sham, not much has changed... but glass, paper, cardboard and aluminium recycling reduces landfill and while landfill can also harness methane, that's still a carbon rich fuel we should be moving away from.", "Imagine what they'd do to Qanon, lol", "And this is one he called bullshit on. And after becoming vegan and entirely changing his life, losing tens of pounds, rebuilding his habits and wants and tastes, he also completely disregards the diet episode where they placed it all on genetics. He has since learned about gut flora.", "LMFAO! Comedians are as qualified to talk about vaccines? The very definition of \"vaccine\" has been changed twice since COVID because experimental mRNA jabs are NOT vaccines by pre-2019 definition.\n\nReal \"vaccines\" (which are discussed in this video) by pre-2019 definition introduce dead/weaken/fragmented viruses into the body by unnatural means causing the body to develop \"natural immunity\" to the targeted virus and take years to create in a lab. Nothing about mRNA jabs conforms to traditional scientific methods.", "You’re the one associating them.", "Why would I listen to a magician about my health? Lol they're professional tricksters (deceivers)!", "not covid, this was older", "Every time this gets posted I like posting this along with it: https://youtu.be/P4zE0K22zH8", ">Real \"vaccines\" (which are discussed in this video) by pre-2019 definition introduce dead/weaken/fragmented viruses into the body by unnatural means causing the body to develop \"natural immunity\" to the targeted virus and take years to create in a lab. Nothing about mRNA jabs conforms to traditional scientific methods.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nHey buddy, not sure how you missed it when you wrote it down yourself, but this part right here in bold is in fact something that relates to the MRNA vaccines. They introduce a fragment of the virus into your body by sending 'messengers' with instructions to make it.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nWhoops.", "11 years ago. We're never going to stop having this conversation.", " I understand that most of those viruses slowly mutate so the vaccines last longer, but the flu and covid mutate faster so vaccines are going to have to be taken yearly to help the elderly and immune compromised.\n\nThe question really is are mrna vaccines shorter lasting or longer lasting than traditional flu vaccines?", "Bless you for trying to teach an idiot to read. They get their news from Facebook group videos and you know it.", "The only time I see this is when someone comes out against the mandates and compulsory injections, like in a protest, the whole crowd will be generalized as “antivax” even though fully vaccinated people are also joining in. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/JUcTkCU7gvQ\n\nSo for vaccinated people protesting it’s about compulsory injections and medical privacy\n\nThe protests in Austria we know are “anti-compvax” as well as those in Germany. In Austria you have no choice and will likely have to sneak out of the country to avoid the injections if it’s also the case they cannot fly or use public transportation. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/MDkfG1T99Io\n\nhttps://youtu.be/JPHg9OwVAvM\n\nhttps://youtu.be/zwBJs9Klp4M\n\nhttps://youtube.com/shorts/3NB3VAwwQgE?feature=share\n\nDozens more from around the world on that channel. Surreal scenes\n\nhttps://youtube.com/c/RevolutionInTheStreets", "> I DON'T KNOW HOW ENCYCLOPAEDIAS WORK AND I'M REALLY PROUD ABOUT IT!\n\n~ u/surstrumming", "The thing you're all missing here is that they're talking about herd immunity, which puts up a wall that protects those that are vulnerable and unvaxxed. \n\n\nThe illness doesn't kill people who are vaccinated because someone else isn't vaccinated.", ">It's gene therapy. \n\nWhen you say things as obviously wrong as that you instantly lose all credibility.", "Because they explain why, namely that they are explaining the science behind vaccines and why they're so vital.", "tl:dr. Have fun turbo. One day you'll catch up.", "I’m not sure how this is relevant. These people aren’t anti lockdown like the person I was responding to, they are anti-vax. \n\nThese countries aren’t rounding up people and stabbing them with needles. They’re applying social pressure by making all but essential businesses closed off to them.", "I was also surprised how tall Teller is! I mean, he's like 5'9\" but next to 6'6\" Penn he looks like he's 5' even.", "> Penn simply being an atheist would disqualify him from being right in the U.S.\n\nAlso vegan, double disqualified.(or at least vegetarian cant remember)", "Hit me up when you grow a few years and can say something more than “ur dumb lol”.", "sharp as a bag of wet hair.", "How many shit phrases have you memorized to effectively say “ur dumb lol”? Is this your hobby?\n\nThough I have to say, that one doesn’t really make any sense at all. Hairs aren’t sharp wet, dry, or otherwise.", "LMFAO! Any links to your pseudo-science? What piece? Spike-proteins? They're NOT from COVID, these vaxs were invented well before COVID. \n\nWhoops.", "Bless you too, please go get your boosters asap!", "Do you feel good trying to 'coyly' wish death on people (from your own uneducated viewpoint where you clearly think vaccines/boosters are dangerous) or are you just a shitbag who literally doesn't care about the truth and wants the world to burn because you don't have shit going for you?", ">LMFAO! Any links to your pseudo-science? What piece? Spike-proteins?\n\n&#x200B;\n\nYea... spike proteins that are identical to those the are from the corona-virus. Seems like I don't need to link anything, as you already realized your mistake.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nGlad to have helped you learn something buddy, good luck with all that.", "I’m saying these protestors get generalized as “antivax” when many of them are not.", "No worries, I have real science and the truth on my side, you've got yearly booster shots of experimental mRNA garbage being fed to you by notorious liars, good luck!", "I care about the truth, some folks are simply too ignorant to see it even when it sits on their face. Good luck with those boosters! \n\nYou even realize the supposed danger of these shots and you'll still get them.", "The irony as you parrot your nonsense, while talking about being fed by liars.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nHave fun with your 'real' science, I'll stick with observable scientific consensus and the 99.99% majority of people qualified to give an opinion on any matter, and not entertainment propagandists on youtube.", "I'm educated on the realities of the risk versus the risk of intentionally wishing death on those around me through my own ignorance... unlike you. \n\nStay in school/go back and graduate/at least stop lying to people.", "Just keep ignoring the never before seen level of censorship of EVERYONE (doctors, microbiologist, nurses) that speaks out against MSN. Those yearly booster shots were made for folks like you.", "Keep ignoring all of the folks being censored, your doing great! Make sure you stay up to date on those boosters and enjoy your soon to be social score! Your frivolous uneducated insults will get you through this, LMFAO.", ">that speaks out against MSN\n\n&#x200B;\n\nYou mean that lie about COVID or vaccines, like you just did?\n\n&#x200B;\n\nWere you this upset when all these platforms banned the promotion and sale of Black salve as a cancer cure? Or are you happy to be a hypocrite if your 'alternate media' tells you to?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Those yearly booster shots were made for folks like you.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI'm pretty sure they were made for people like you, protecting those who keep dying of covid after refusing vaccination.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nYou keep ignoring the real science in favor of nonsense propaganda from fringe outcast voices that tell you what you want to hear. I think you can do better.", "You keep ignoring the authoritarian/totalitarian censorship. Only when it's too late will you realize what an idiot you've been. Good luck with those boosters!", ">You keep ignoring the authoritarian/totalitarian censorship\n\n&#x200B;\n\nYou keep ignoring everything I am saying in favor of parroting your media given talking points.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAgain, you can do better than this, but you have to be willing to try a little.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nGood luck with your intentional ignorance!", ">You keep ignoring everything I am saying in favor of parroting your media given talking points.\n\nLMFAO!! Are you actually directing this towards me? Your the fool that listens EVERYTHING your tv tells without using your own brain. Good luck with those boosters and turn off your tv, try think for yourself if capable. This plandemic isn't deadly, it has a 99% survival rate and this entire crock of shit is being brought to us by some of the same money addicts that have been lying about 9/11 for over 20 years. \n\nHow can you NOT see through the bs? Are you actually this ignorant?" ]	190	videos	Penn & Teller discuss vaccinations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5LVrkU76Xk&ab_channel=FooFighters	/r/videos/comments/r8tfkp/dave_grohl_hanukkah_sessions_2021_big_shot_billy/	[ "Not sure what this has to do with Hannukkah but that was a great cover", "Just a running series he does! Not sure if the artists are of Jewish descent, but he's been crushing it this year. If you haven't seen the previous ones his [Lisa Loeb cover](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB8Jxjv5mug&ab_channel=FooFighters) is particularly ~~horrifying~~ great.", "Thanks. That was fucking amazing.", "I just watched them all in reverse order, and seeing the “Stay” cover last was an unexpected treat.", "Yes, the artists are Jewish. I think in some cases it's the songwriters and not just the performers. https://www.npr.org/2021/12/03/1061150265/greg-kurstin-and-dave-grohl-release-another-series-in-the-hanukkah-sessions", "Great cover, god awful videography." ]	6	videos	Dave Grohl Hanukkah Sessions 2021 - Big Shot (Billy Joel)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BZ5-Q48lE	/r/videos/comments/r8tl8b/tetris_players_recently_discovered_an_unusual_way/	[ "2.3 million and level 61 just reached using rolling. Insane!", "Neat!", "This reminds me of the Japanese grand masters who can play without even seeing the pieces falling", "Can't believe people are still able to push the Tetris meta in 2021", "It's insane. NES Tetris came out in ~~1984~~ 1989. I love nerds.", "At least these guys aren’t wasting their time doing something pointless.", "It's derived from how snare drum players let the bouncing effect create super rapid repetitive drum \"rolls\". \n\nIn this case, Tetris players use the roll to register multiple button presses that help slide the pieces left or right just in time.\n\nA game like Tetris is limited by the hardware in terms of how many button inputs is can accept per animated picture frame. Doing the rolls helps make use of as many as possible.", "Yeah, things would be much better if they were being sarcastic about other people's interests on an internet forum for example.", "Are there any other styles that involve a foot?", "Basically an entire maxout done before level 29, and another maxout after level 29. Crazy", "You actually do see the pieces as you move them, but you don't see the pieces that have already been placed.", "I have zero interest in Tetris at all, but I love seeing deep-dive nuance, enthusiasm, expertise of a scene like this!", "This is insane. I love the innovation that speed runners and high level players of old school video games are able to contribute to competitive play decades after games are launched. It always amazes me and fills me with a profound sense of hope that we will truly never stop advancing forward. Thanks for the vid.", "Yeah it's pretty remarkable.\n\nHere's a follow up video with more refinement of the technique:\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2xCQT0BUcw", "[same vibe](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZK8Z8hulFg)", "Who would have imagined, that I would spend 10 minutes of a saturday evening watching a video about news in the realm of NES Tetris controller techniques.", "Dammit, Reddit. I had plans for today. I had things I wanted to get done this weekend before the holiday season really kicks into high gear. \n\nI can already tell from this one video that the rabbit hole this leads me down will probably carry me into 2022.\n\nI hate you, Reddit.\n\nBut also, thank you.", "When I see that kind of dedication, I see untapped human potential.", "I can’t believe how long I watched this for.", "1989.\n\nThe original version of Tetris for Russian computers was made in ‘84, but the NES port was ‘89\n\n(I was there 3,000 years ago…)", "gravity blast beats on a snare drum are the fastest way to roll, it uses the edge of the snare as a fulcrum point: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir\\_KZNsTNiQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ir_KZNsTNiQ)\n\nReminds me a lot of what people are doing with multiple fingers.\n\nI've also used rolling forever with gaming on the QTE button mashing, you have to just get out of the way of your own sausage fingers", "Any woman would love fingers with that much dexterity and speed.", "You're right my bad!", "This is incredible, that just be extremely challenging to maintain the pressure that consistently.", "same thing with OoT, it's still being speedrun and hacked apart to this day to the point where they can manipulate stored memory to generate whatever they want in game (stale reference manipulation). its crazy how they are still discovering new ways of breaking the game haha", "No worries, I’m just old and have retained lots of pointless knowledge", "Why is any of this faster than holding it down?", "I don't give a shit about tetris but I will never stopping appreciating the insane amount of talent, determination, and innovation people pour into things like this and speed running.\n\nThis is so incredibly impressive.", "“I’m gonna do what’s called a pro gamer move.”", "Aaadn I just wasted 10 minutes of my life learning about tetris techniques... I never thought it's even a thing now I know there are multiple metaplays for a 40 year old game...", "Me: Oh cool!\n\nALSO ME: 9 minutes? Nope.", "Brb, going to try to beat the Metal Gear Solid 1 torture scene on Extreme difficulty right now.", "Never before have I been so interested in a video that has that many crotch shots of young men in sweatpants.", "BREAKING NEWS... about a 1980s NES game...\n\nGaming is crazy sometimes, haha.", "I hate all videos but this was so enjoyable and smooth I watched 90%", "Neat.", "Why did I just spend 10 minutes watching this\n\nAnd love every minute?", "https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dd/fb/1f/ddfb1fcb334ab2cac439f23d7ad5c27c.jpg", "Man. That’s pretty huge.", "/r/videogamescience \n\nAlthough the sub kinda died when the terms got too loose, but you can still find what you stated here and there", "I'm unfamiliar with the Tetris community but ever since this video's release, what are some other notable achievements that have been set? I know there were some of the ones done by Cheese as mentioned but was there any other revolutionary records set since then?", "holding it down you are lmited by the auto-repeat speed that is fixed internally by the electronics.", "Yeah, they actually get into that towards the end of the video! Pretty neat how there are techniques used in the musical space that gamers are only now just starting to figure out.", "Thought we were used to technology making previous stuff obsolete. Fun way to show old stuff/methods are worth studying.", "I don't play, so I can't say for sure, but probably the same reason you don't ttttttttyypppee lllliiikkkeee tttthhhiisss. There's a bit of a pause when you press a key, before it starts repeating inputs. That's if the software even allows for repeating input. Mario only jumps once a (half) press for instance. If Tetris allows repeating input on a press and hold, that pause is going to be much longer than if you can manually do repeating presses. The software controlled repeating rate is also likely to be capped slower than how fast a person could theoretically press again.", "What is this helping? Does it bring down the pieces faster giving you a higher score or is there more side to side movement?", "Enjoyed the video even tho i got no clue why i watched this...", "Faster side-to-side movement.", "This, Summoning Salt, Karl Jobst, I eat it up", "As someone who just bought NES Tetris this year, I have no idea what the purpose of this technique is, but I'm interested in learning how to do it", "Thank you", "Literally what I was just thinking!", "I once stumbled over this 30min video of some high level tetris match where the commentators would constantly go \"Boom tetris for Jeff!\" I never cared about Tetris before in my life but I ended up watching the whole thing in one sitting. It was an oddly satisfying viewing experience.", "BOOM TETRIS FOR JONAS\n\nRIP King :(", "Link?", "On high gravity, the hold method is barely fast enough to handle placing pieces anywhere on a small stack. Once the center is high enough, you can lose access to a side due to the pieces touching down before you can get them to where you need 'em. Hyper-tapping is faster than that and allows full placement on much taller stacks.", "Hey, it's plenty tapped!", "I came here to say this.", "I would love to see a Summoning Salt video on classic tetris.", "In the game, there is a specific amount of delay programmed in. It takes a moment before the piece starts moving over, and then it moves at a set speed (I think it's about 8-10 spaces/second). NES tetris is a specific competitive game, so you can't get around that limitation if you're playing NES tetris.\n\nIn other Tetris games, the speed at which pieces move is different, but most of those are modern tetris, which allows for varying amounts of spinning before a piece locks in, some time before the piece locks in place. In some games, you can even edit the speed (So, for example, the piece instantly goes to the side of the well).\n\nThe limitations in NES tetris means that competitive players have, for a long time, had 2 ways to play. It is important because in NES tetris, the piece locks in to place as soon as it lands on the stack:\n\nUsing \"DAS\" - delayed auto shift - which is the game's control of how quickly you can move the piece. The best DAS players may also \"tap\" a little bit in extreme cases.\n\n\"Hypertapping\" - Pressing the buttons very quickly - this is challenging because you need to move the piece the correct number of spaces over, but if you're quick enough you can slide the pieces around faster than the DAS players. Players that use hypertapping develop their stacking skills a little bit less because they can get away with more -and run higher stacks than DAS players.\n\nRolling is the new way - there are players hitting records with it, but I think the tournaments are mostly being won by hypertappers still. It takes time to build consistency with a new skill, and winning one match is very possible with anything, but winning an entire tournament as a less consistent player is tough.\n\nIn the shared video, Jonas (A DAS player and long reigning world champion - easily the best DAS player in the history of the game) - was showing Rob Scallon (A Youtube musician) how to play Tetris better. Rob immediately tried to do something like rolling on the controller when Jonas was showing him how to play! It was kind of a fun moment.\n\nRIP Jonas, you were the most modest, best example of a champion of anything I've ever seen. He was amazing when he won, and even more amazing when he lost. The man was pure goodness.", "Off the top of my head:\n\nHighest level acheived\n\nHighest score after the kill screen\n\nMost lines after the kill screen\n\nSpeed record for 40/100 lines or whatever\n\nI don't know if rolling has led to the highest score in a classic tetris game, but it'd be easy enough to look up.", "Same, don't care too much about speed running, but I catch every Summoning Salt video.", "I can hear the opening music...\n\nThe dude ends his punch-out vid with showing the current wr's for each boss and he's got it for Tyson.", "It's really a shame Jonas is not with us anymore. I actually think he would have have potentially pushed to use this given that he was a long-time DAS guy but mostly avoided hypertapping because he couldn't really manage it for long periods.\n\nReally such a huge loss to the community and still really makes me sad. Used to watch his stream all the time and he was such an ambassador for the community--as well as just plain entertaining to watch.\n\nBut I'm glad others continue to push forward with the community and the meta.", "I didn’t even realize but this is effectively what I would do to win in tapping mini games lol. An example would be to loosely hold a controller and basically “shake it up and down” a lot as this would press faster than me pressing a button would work. \n\nAmazing work by the Tetris community!", "I've always had this ability to sort of lock my arm and push a single button really fast. Never knew it had a name!", "It's been a while since I watched it but I think it's [this one](https://youtu.be/DdfRQjb5o9k).", "Never played tetris (like this), never watched it like this before, but still found this video super interesting", "Y'all should watch Semifinal 1 from this years world championship to see the power of it in competition https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELh6bO_ze0", "RemindMe! 3 hours", "The homage they did in this years CTWC was just great", "commenting on r/video without watching the video, a classic", "he briefly mentions at 1:00 it's a technique where you don't have to modify your bare hands... are there controller techniques where you have to modify your hands?", "[ Jump to 01:00 @ New NES Tetris Technique: Faster Than Hypertapping!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BZ5-Q48lE&t=0h1m0s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: aGameScout, Video Popularity: 97.85%, Video Length: [09:34])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@00:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-BZ5-Q48lE&t=0h0m55s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Oh yes, people have already surpassed cheese at the top of rolling. The world championship was held like a month ago and >!a roller was the runner up!<", "Back in the 1900s", "If you are interested you should watch this year's world semifinal 1 for a great showcase of the difference rolling made https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELh6bO_ze0", "This is incredible similar to a common [piano technique](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XcgoAl5WvI&t=7s). \n\n[Here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjghYFgt8Zk) is a video of Martha Argerich using the technique at extreme speeds. If the want to speed up their technique even more, it would even be benefical to go to a piano teacher and ask about the technique which has been developed over ages (centurys?).", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdfRQjb5o9k&t=306s&ab_channel=ClassicTetris\n\nA few years ago the competitive scene was very small and consisted almost entirely of old-school hobbyists, then some of the tournament videos went viral on YouTube—revitalizing interest—and now the best players in the world are all teenagers.", "Strange Rob Scallon was in this video, I watch is music youtube channel all the time, just yesterday in fact.", "This reminds me so much of the tremolo in classical guitar. Instead of trying to plucking one string really fast just used several fingers to pluck a string", "Watched it live, and was pretty surprised that Dog was able to beat Huff with hypertapping in the finals. This might be the last year for the technique!", "Sounds a little dramatic for a 9 minute video...", "You probably know about it, but if you haven't, check out SummoningSalt on youtube. He has incredible speedrunning history videos. He breaks down techniques, what changes brought the record down, and has lots of video to back it up with.", "Wonder what other games will get new records if this methods are utilized.", "Someone get Summoningsalt on the phone!", "Link?", "Dope shiet", "I don't think that's the idea - I don't think it's possible to use this rolling finger technique on the snare because the weight of the stick will prevent you from playing one note per roll (or rather 4 notes per roll since you're rolling 4 fingers). The thing he's talking about at the end of the video is that drummers do use the bounce of the stick to play faster. You try to use physics to help you play fast, not everything is a controlled, full motion. Source: I've been playing drums for 20 years, though maybe there's a particular technique that I'm not aware of, but I doubt it", "this is some meta nerd shit.", "Fixed by the software, but still fixed regardless. Tapping is faster, but it’s too hard to tap that fast with a single finger.", "Yeah there's nothing wrong with nerding out on stuff. It's admirable to me that these guys found one thing that they can dive so deeply into. I have a problem of bouncing back and forth between hobbies.", "Speedrunners in FFX very recently discovered how to actually plan out random battles. The number of calculations going on behind the scenes is absolutely astounding when it comes to how the game determines enemies, like what fucking day of the year you started your game.", "I wonder if rolling [on molly] while rolling [down the street] will help with rolling?", "Check out Summoning Salt, a great youtube channel that covers the history of speed runs of classic games. It seems like they are still coming up with new techniques to get faster times in most of the classics like Super Mario Bros 2 or Super Mario Kart.", "Yeah if you’ve ever gotten to level 19 and above you start to have a really hard time getting the pieces to the far sides.", "Similarly, I recently came across Karl Jobst on youtube who explains the history of speed running. No interest in it myself, but amazing to see people reach superhuman achievements.", "and we continue to improve the most useless skills pointlessly", "I was about to say exactly the same thing, including argerich playing the Scarlatti.", "This is fascinating, thank you for posting and to the YouTuber for doing such a great job reviewing the history and going over what’s new", "And also spawned a trend of people who are more into each individual game making similar videos as well.\n\nI highly recommend u/Averagetrey and his videos on Super Mario Sunshine. As a top level runner himself, he goes into depth on the history of the records in Any% and 120 Shine categories and it is super interesting.", "https://youtu.be/d_HcmEMlwS4 1:05:15 to 1:11:41. Touching stuff.", "I'm in exactly the same position! [This video](https://youtu.be/9RaqVGzhQTM) by the same guy is an excellent intro to the mechanics of competitive tetris.", "I don’t know about surpassed. He currently is the dominant world record holder, with Huff and Ruins/Richie both competent as well. I’d say it’s a tight race right now with Cheez in the lead, but anyone could overtake him any day now.", "A man of culture I see.", "I didn't need to know this but I'm glad I do.", "Please, I would like more information", "Excuse me, but I need a dopamine hit at least every 30 seconds or I get bored. Nine minutes is an eternity.", "Bump stock Tetris.", "So does classic Tetris not have a drop command? Is that why tapping is needed?", "Funny, I'm like 99% sure the \"Boom tetris for Jeff\" guy was in that Netflix series about gaming called \"High Score\" (which I highly recommend, even for casual gamers\". Saw him introduce himself as the \"Boom-tetris-for-Jeff-guy\". Had no idea what he was talking about. \n\n\nThe series takes a nice deep dive into video game history and done in a fun way. Def worth a look if you're in the mood for a light-hearted doc series.", "I used to quickly slide my thumbnail back and forth on the B A buttons on the NES controller when playing games that required quick alternating taps of each button. I dominated....still do.", "This is so crazy, but I don't understand how they can know which way a piece will land.", "Apr 17, 2021", "Huh, I do the same technique when I have to spam on my ps4 controller", "I bet any tetris player using the rolling technique can make a woman cum in like 2 seconds.", "can you really call a 7 month old video news?", "Why did I watch this whole video? I have no idea", "Thank you for your wisdom.", "I didn't realise this technique was typical, I've always rolled (didn't know it was called that) it's very clearly and noticeably faster than tapping.", "It's actually not new. There are quite a few very well known players in the Tetris community that have been doing this for years", "“The method was first discovered by cheese fish, who was inspired to try rolling while hanging out on a Jake games 2 live stream when a random person in the chat had the misconception that Jake was rolling his hand because the slow frame rate of his web cam made it hard to tell.”\nThis. This is why the older generations don’t understand us.", "Which isn't even \"breaking\" as players have been using that trick for a while now", "Tetris prepared us for the large muscle and planning requirements involved in packing an automobile for college and beyond.", "vid https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GefEJZltuNk", "When we’re talking about a thirty+ year old game, seven months isn’t much time.", "I had never heard of Hector Rodriguez but fanning arcade buttons was around a long time. It works better with [convex buttons](https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-ajh2rr5h/images/stencil/500x659/products/121/6978/Happ-Competition-Button-Purple__70557.1493032852.jpg?c=2) which are more common outside North America (where [concave buttons](https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2311/3697/products/concave-arcade-button-green-buttons-components-gaming-switches-generic-oem-cool_217_600x600.jpg?v=1537314217) are/were the norm).", "I don't know EVERY detail but basically, the speed running community knew a strat would always be the most effective, except RNG for the random battles could make or break the entire speed run in that one section, but if you got it it made a TON of other fights way easier and saved you a ton of time. They just couldn't control the RNG of the battles in order to ensure that that certain enemy have the highest chance of being found.\n\nIt took a complete data mine of the FFX HD edition in order to even find the factors involved with the battles, IIRC there are 34 factors that go into every random battle. The MOST important of those factors is the seed for the random enemies, some seeds are easier than others or have higher tier monsters more often. It was theorized for years that something like that was in the game, only recently was this proven and that it could be manipulated.\n\nThis required years of tracking data and testing to see if what they found was true and yeah there are now guides on how to do speedruns with the best seeds and how to not only get the seed you want but also what steps to take to fight certain enemies at specific times. It is bonkers how much shit went into it and I missed a ton of stuff involved in it. True dedication to that game and I never fucking bothered to dodge 200 lightning bolts.", "That was the first thing that popped in my head watching this. I read a tip way back to 'scratch\" the button with the top of your fingernail during the torture scene.", "People have been doing that for Diablo 1 map generation since like 2004. I remember watching a speedrun vid where the guy would cast extra fireballs even though there weren't enemies there because it would make the next level's floorplan generate with the descending stairs closer to the ascending stairs.", "Is this a mockumentary", "Hasn’t this been known for a while now, I remember watching a video on this in early 2021", "Even his Wii sports videos", "I read your name as Robert Patterson and thought vampire, the math checks out", "I was using this to dominate Track and Field on the NES back in the day. This shit aint new!", "This video could have been fifteen seconds.", "Is the host Bevers? From Broad City?", "The pieces drop so fast at higher levels that you cannot tap fast enough to get the pieces to the edges. This helps you tap left/right faster and consistently.", "It's a great example on how to do these types of videos. It just starts with facts and information. Not \"Hey guys, catchphrase, welcome back to another exciting episode on...\"\n\nThis guy could probably make content on any subject and I'd watch it.", "[This is also know as the crab scratch or a twiddle when done with only two fingers in the DJ world.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6fVOEitTE)", "I’ve been doing this to win button mashes in Mario party for years", "I applied the wadsworth constant with this one.", "By the God father of rolling.", "It is the idea, and it's where the name comes from.", "Can somebody just explain the technique without having to watch a 10 minute video?", "Wirtual videos about Trackmania also have this feel to them :)", "Wow this is FASCINATING", "I don't see how to apply the rolling motion on the snare though, that's my question", "Make sure you have plenty of spare time because his videos are so engrossing it’s hard to stop watching. Six hours later you’re like wtf.", "I love cheer, they are such a fucking awesome player. Glad to see they are getting the recognition they deserve.", "It's how when you do rolls on a snare you don't grip the stick tightly and try to impel the motion because if you did you couldn't get the tempo. The idea is you let it bounce and oscillate on its own. Same idea here. Then add that the fingers are spaced apart so one 'stroke' let's each finger arrive a sub-second after each other, but all within one stroke. It would be like if you had a four pronged drum stick with swinging heads that all arrive sequentially with just one stroke. \n\nIn this Tetris method, a play gives themselves the possibility of 4 contacts (4 fingers) in the time frequency interval of one body movement. It takes a 20 hz move up to 80 hz effectively", "They are not just now figuring it out. They are just now getting down for NES Tetris.", "Yeah, we did it with track and field. I would use all my fingernails on the A and B buttons.", "Funny thing is a lot of these players stream and have Patreon and make plenty of money. So they really aren't wasting their time.", "Go watch any of the major Tetris streamers and you will by completely pulled in. \n\nBOOM! Tetris for Jonas", "Hello, you absolute legends...", "You hold the controller like you're mentally retarded.", "I miss watching him play. He probably isn't the goat, but he's the one who brought Tetris from obscurity. \n\nBOOM! Tetris for Jonas indeed.", "Sure thing but there's no rolling motion with the fingers as far as I can see https://streamable.com/8frq2z", "I like that this video credits so many people for different things. The Cheez dude may not be the best in the future, but discovering a new technique like that is pretty amazing. I once saw a youtube video talking about Einstein's relativity theory discovery and he made it sound so simple and almost condescending, but having a mind like Einstein's that can leap to such conclusions from his starting point is beyond, beyond wild. Relatively the same thing I feel about this new discovery.", "My technique is called hyperjacking whereby I stabilize the controller against my penis. The ramifications are multifaceted.", "Sometimes the friction would make my thumbnail super hot so I'd get a spoon and use that instead. LOL", "I watched it? I missed the part that explains why this is faster.", "Jonas, what a fuckin legend.", "I think it's interesting when someone approaches a problem with a new solution. No one thought the controller itself was a \"button\" until someone tried it.", "But Tetris itself is so fun…", "Only if you’re listening to “Rollin’” by Limp Bizkit", "You are correct that seed manipulation was not at all a new concept, but figuring out how many factors, and what the hell they actually were, took well over a decade to figure out fully.", "This does seem a bit like wasting life so you are a bit closer to death for no reason.", "It's so funny how many innovations happen by accident.", "Some people really have too much free time on their hands", "It's how you had to do it in track & feild. The fingernail rake", "Well that’s not true. I mean some activities do benefit humanity more than others. These guys are bringing a niche community some joy, or the least we can say is they aren’t doing harm.", "aw man, I thought you were just saying \"RIP\" because I assumed he was no longer on the top... but he actually passed away at the start of this year. he was only 39 years old. I'm only a casual player and don't really follow the community but I did watch that match in its entirety. that's sad\n\nRIP", "What happened to him?", "I still have no idea how to do a proper long jump on Track and Field lol", "It's way more interesting than the new CoD and BF games combined", "It's actually not a 'truck', it's a trick", "Taken far too young. RIP", "We've known about them for years, I've been rolling my mouse to spam M1 like 20 times a second. It's just really unorthodox and unintuitive to roll on a NES controller.", "Ah thanks for pointing that out. I get confused between the two very often.", "Past level 29 you cannot really see the pieces falling anyway, as you need to place 2 blocks in 1 second.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GefEJZltuNk", "How does tapping the same button faster control movement both left and right?", "everytime i see people holding controller upide down, or sideways, or you know... with their fucking foot ... my brain breaking", "I've been interested in speedrunning for a while and just came across his channel recently have been binge watching his videos. They are very good. \n\nAlso discovered Wirtual who does similar trackmania videos.", "This is truly amazing", "He was the original GOAT. The top players of today are building on what he started. Dude was on top for 7 years straight, he gave the competition something to push for", "I can’t believe I watched that whole thing", "People are still pushing hard the Sensible World of Soccer meta and that came out in 94.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/tf7ph4uyDyI", "There are some hype games out there. I would recommend the Semi-finals and Finals for \n CTWC 2018 and 2019. The recent CTWCs have been crazy high scoring, but it doesn't have quite the same atmosphere since they're playing from home.", "This was discussed here recently when there was a run of videos showing a guy's algorithm that can play Tetris all the way to kill screen. \n\nIt of course needs an emulator, and proper settings constraint the frame rate and input rate. But with good algorithmic strategies it does almost exclusively Tetris clearings and blazes through even the distorted levels for hours at a time. It's inaccurately hyped as \"AI\" even though it's not, but it's still amazing.", "My absolute favorite pianist, Martha Argerich.", "Try holding down a letter on your keyboard. You get the first letter, a bit of a pause, and then the rest of the letters come out at a steady rate. This is to stop you from accidentally holding down a key too long and double typing letters. Same with the backspace key. Hold it down and you'll notice a pause between the first letter being deleted, and then the rest.\n\n That's the same way the side-to-side buttons work in Tetris. If you hold down, you get one square of movement in that direction, a pause, and then the rest will continue at a steady rate. Just so you don't accidentally hold a fraction too long and move past where you intend to. At high levels the duration of this pause is significant, and actually prevents you from being able to get a piece over to one side or the other. By the time the pause has finished, the piece is already halfway down the screen.\n\nHypertapping and rolling bypass this by just mashing out at a rate faster than the piece would move over with normal button holding.", "I'm a novice level piano player. It's amazing how those videos are both encouraging and majorly discouraging to me.", "Exactly correct. The first input has an intentional delay afterwards to avoid accidental double presses. It's basically the game saying \"You sure you want to hold? Okay, say no more fam\". Other techniques bypass this by just mashing it out super fast", "They still have to move their thumb over the d-pad to control direction.", "Dude passed away right after moving to Hawaii with his wife. Heart just stopped beating", "Your hands have to move like Data's", "I always used the end of a bic lighter", "Yeah, they could be doing something productive like being on reddit instead.", "When we played track and field at the arcade we used to take bic lighters and rub them across the buttons. Youd get ridiculous times", ">FASCINATING\n\nWhy is this in all caps?", "Recently", "I just watched Neo blow up Agent Smith so this was funnier than it should have been.", "boom tetris for jeff", "I have a few questions for anyone:\n\n1. Where do people figure out the 2.3 million score? I don't see it anywhere on the screen\n\n2. How come he was surprised he made it on the high scoreboard?\n\n3. How popular is Tetris? Like is this guy making a full career out of playing it?", "How many other titles can we say we play this hard after 33 years?", "For EMPHASIS. I wrote that comment like I would say it in real life lol. You ever watch the show Silicon Valley? Erlich Bachman does a perfect example of this when he says motherFUCK. \n\nSide note, fitting username lol.", "Thanks \n\nLegend of a great scene", "We're all wisdom on this blessed day.", "Someone care to explain? Can't watch the video atm and it looks lime they're knuckling the buttons.", "Some people say you can just use a spoon and roll it over the button to help you. \n\nThe trick that helped me was entirely different; I just popped open the PS1 disc tray so that the game would forcefully pause/freeze and give me time to rest in between rounds. This let me pass it with just button mashing.", "That's the same impact and technique that advanced turntablism: crabs", "They switch directions between pieces if needed. They only need to move the pieces in one direction at a time.", "Do not cite the deep magic to me witch. I was there when it was written.", "The first video referring it as a spring/coil technique is also what's used in turntablism (scratching.) Instead of holding the crossfader in a \"pinch\" position and move left/right very quickly with your wrist or elbow in a hypertapping style, using your thumb as an \"anchor\" and rolling your fingers make it a lot faster with significantly less muscle stress", "There's always people looking for an internet fight like this guy. Caps is often now used for sarcasm on the internet, not just emphasis, and this guy was just \\itching\\ for a fight.", "This isn't recent.", "Summoning salt on YouTube does amazing videos on world records.", "Just wanna take advantage of Tetris being on the front page to say RIP to the GOAT, Jonas Neubauer. The man made 9 straight finals, winning 7 of them. More importantly, he seemed like an awesome dude.\n\nDo yourselves a favor and look him up.\nYou can get started here:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/-egNuEcJ1hw", "I love his videos.", "I realized I was hooked at the MS Paint picture of the DAS player's foot hold rolling technique.\n\nMy life has changed today.", "That move applies to turntablism/scratching in the form of crabbing.", "\"Dont even think about using auto-fire or I'll know.\"", "Hah! Look at this gramps over here! Next time you're telling me you know what a floppy disk is lmaooo", "It's comparing Kareem to LeBron. Goats in their own eras", "You've got to roooollll the controller", "that rubbing technique is actually how i did mortal kombat brick breaking.for some reason rubbing it between two buttons makes both of them tap faster than tapping both with two fingers.", "What's going on in my head while watching a deep dive into techniques in competitive Tetris: \n\n\"THAT'S NUMBERWANG!\"", "I play Elvin Archer on the oculus, and people use this technique to great affect. I’ve had it explained but can’t do it.", "This is the stuff I stick with Reddit for", "Nice video, Bevers.", "the finger movements though, it screams RSD to me. that sort of movement stresses the hand tendons like crazy.", "My guy out here doing blast beats on an NES controller!", "If you're into glitch exploration, Stryder7x is also amazing for ridiculous glitch exploitation or exploration in Paper Mario!", "1. There's score uncap codes you can use with a Game Genie, and the game was also live-streamed, so it's pretty verifiable. The score will generally show A-F, roll back over after F (sup, hexidecimal) and in this case, I suppose it kept going!\n2. I mean, mans just set a world record by over 1/3rd the old world record. Kinda unbelievable. I'd go wild, too.\n3. This was in a qualifier for a monthly tournament. That a good several dozen people qualify for, every month. There's also an entire league going on, and friendly matches going on, and people just playing for high scores. Heck, the Classic Tetris World Championships saw well over 200 people attempt to qualify, including myself. I don't think anyone's making a full \\career\\ out of it, but people are definitely making their names at least in the community, which helps out, for sure.", "I used to use this technique with super Mario party for real. We called it the petrucci.", "Is it wrong to prefer Tengen Tetris?", ">It doesn't require modifying the controller or your hands\n\nHang on a second, can we talk about some of the other techniques you've tried?", "Nes port made from stolen code", "Some of us don't have the joints and the speed for hypertapping, where you're simply tapping the controller \\really flipping fast\\. Great hypertappers can sustain 15 presses a second on that tiny-ass d-pad the NES controller has. Of course, it comes with some significant wear and tear, RSI is a pretty prominent concern. Rolling can be done just by whacking your fingers on the back of the controller (as long as you can still grip the dang thing and figure out how to rotate pieces and know exactly how many taps you need and etc etc the list goes on). It's less strenuous in some ways, more so in others.", "i can't see banners/headers but if this sub's banner doesn't have a parallel universe and half A press reference on it it'll make me sad.", "Not that surprising, life finds new ways to break me everyday and I'm older than OoT.", "Oh if you want to go on a deep dive into speed running go check out the half a press. Basically they speedrun mario 64 by only pressing down on the a button once and never letting go of it once pressed. \n\nIt’s fascinating seeing how they break the games systems by manipulating how it handles information behind the scenes", "Rolling and tapping are ways to get pieces specifically to the sides of the well faster. The problem with the old classic DAS control is that once you reach the higher levels, you become more and more constrained by how high you can get a piece over your stack and to the far sides. The faster you can move a piece, the more room you have to move pieces in general, the longer you can play the game. By level 29, a player using DAS can't get most pieces to the sides of the wall, which is why it's generally called the \"killscreen\". A player with hypertapping or rolling can theoretically get pieces to the edges, letting them play on... as long as they can sustain it!", ">48,890 views Premiered Nov 27, 2021\n\nHoly shit, didn't realize it was only about a week ago. Lovely homage.", "Steve Wozniak needs to beat his old record.", "Speak for yourself", "\"crabbing\" \n\nDJ's been doing this since the 80s, bruh.", "I'm Jonas' age and started following the competitive Tetris scene in 2014. I honestly don't think a celebrity death hit me as hard as his did, probably because we were so close in age and his death scared the hell out of me because it was so sudden and unexpected. Watching him and Heather on Twitch was fantastic and it was so great seeing the love they had for each other. RIP, legend.", "I had the floor pad for that game for some reason. This comment just brought back memories of trying to do the long jump and never figuring out the proper way to do it.", "That's like the fosbury flop of gaming", "Here's a video about it. https://youtu.be/ehi7LMgwEk8", "Awesome", "1https://youtu.be/ehi7LMgwEk8", "[This is the video](https://youtu.be/xMX0uQpDsYU) that got my into Karl. It’s the complete history, including demos and even demo notes from players over many years, of speedrunning just a single* interesting level of DOOM. It points out each new discovery and technique, how they were found out, and how they influenced the next person who discovered or designed the next technique. Super interesting stuff, and extremely well documented and presented by Karl.", "My thoughts are who gives a fuck. The world is falling apart. Put down your toys and get your room cleaned up.", "Watching this I can't help but think about how these deep-dive hyper-focused people are the ones who, regardless of the field, will lead to evolutions, changes, and advancements in different areas. Even in this video, the crossover of musical technique and human physical coordination is incredibly cool and could be utilized in, say, VR, remote surgical techniques/equipment modifications, and other hand-eye coordination and fine motor skills. Might even give ideas to robotics developers on various methods of producing smoother, faster, precise movements. On the surface, it's people playing an old video game, but when you go this deep with it, you discover other things. That's why I love how diverse our world is, and people all working on different things. Things you've never dreamed of existing. And sometimes they can come together to advance us into something even cooler! The fact that so many people are heavily invested in something I've never even realized was a thing, let alone reporting on it with well-made videos, really drives home just how big and diverse the world is.", "Thanks for the response! To clarify for #2, I meant specifically when he thinks he's not going to show up on the scoreboard to enter his name, and then it shows up and he's kind of shocked (and then puts in JONAS). Shouldn't he be #1 on that scoreboard? Or is it because he started at a higher level or something?", "This is how I play tapping games on mobile. Just loosely hold my phone between index and thumb of both hands and shake the devil out of it :)", "Rolling 4 fingers on back of controller while another finger is lightly on dpad leads to 20hz button pressing.", "wait is that scarce", "Plastic surgeons get the weirdest requests.", "Thanks!", "Summoning salt's channel is one of my favorites. Always so hyped to see new videos drop and the music he plays during intro/meta defining clips just hits so perfectly.", "As a non-gamer who is very interested in movement this was fascinating.", "What a trip.", "Games done quick is legit one of my favourite times of the year especially the Summer ones. \nThere is something so endearing about seeing a bunch of nerds (in the most positive way possible) sitting around watching sometimes the most random games being played. \n\nDiscord also helps a lot too, just randomly jumping on their server and chatting to other fans.", "[Human subcultures are nested fractally. There's no bottom](https://xkcd.com/1095/)", "For old Pokémon games they have this too and you have to do all sorts of very specific movements. It’s crazy.", "I'm all wisdom on this blessed day.", "That's the in game scoreboard, and since his score 'reset' at 1.6 million he thought it wasn't gonna make it on there", "THEN I WILL PROVE THEM WRONG.", "Piano players put their finger on a key, and then knock the piano up to play the note quickly? Sounds off... :)\n\nSeriously, though, rolling has been around for a while. The innovation here was figuring out how to do it on a tiny button on a game controller.\n\nActually I do find the parallels to music interesting. In fingerstyle playing of the guitar, you often have to choose between dedicated use of a finger, and rolling like this.", "Info posted on his Twitter by his wife. He unfortunately passed away at the start of the year: https://twitter.com/neubsauce", "Ahhh that makes sense, thanks! It's like if Usain Bolt lapped everyone and still came in 3rd on his second lap lol", "arm wrestling in 'a way out'", "Absolutely. I opened the video expecting to have to skip around through a bunch of BS to get to a clip of the technique. Ended up watching the whole video start to finish. It was very well done.", "I had to have my friend beat it for me on the hardest level! Put a sock on his hand and vibrated his thumb on the button. Got a blister but did it!", "And I was absolutely engrossed.", "This is relevant to my interests.", "I'm a intermediate piano player at best, and the feeling of encouragement and disencouragement is still around.\n\nThe difference is that I want to jump immediately into these exercises, and I know beforehand that it will be frustrating and tedious. But I also know that if I keep at it, it will progressively become second nature.\n\nYou'll arrive at a point where you will notice things that you're able to do now, were unimaginable back then.", "I used to play Alto Sax back in the day. Believe me when I say a lot of the high level stuff makes people seem like wizards. But keep at it and one day you'll wake up and just be shocked at how good you are", "I was glued to the screen.", "Anyone else find this depressing?", "I am about to crush that one level in Mario party. Peace bitchz.", "And of all people it's a Bass playing YouTuber that figured out the technique randomly.", "Usually uppercased words is used to indicate shouting. To emphasise, people usually use italics.", "That's clever, i love things like this! I was trying to guess what it was before the reveal, and all i could come up with was pressing the dpad, and sliding your finger perpendicular across it, while not fully leaving the button. Like shuffle back and forth to press the switch quickly. Maybe with your fingernail to make it faster.\n\nThis was just facepalm genius and duh, lmao", "it's like the tremolo on classical guitar. lends itself to games where you need to mash a button.", "I tried NES tetris I'm no expert but the control mapping in the game is really tedious compared to some of the 40+ clones or just newer versions. Up arrow should be instant fall, buttons for flipping it.\n\nNot up-button to switch side and buttons used for dropping it..", "No, I prefer it too. It just didn't last long after Nintendo yanked the license away, so there's not a lot of people who played it outside of emulation. \n\nTengen Tetris was also out in '88 in arcades.", "In fighting games we call it double/triple-tapping or [piano method](https://youtu.be/mXWuqIEVB8Y)", "OH I see.", "Not sure the exact reason as not massively into Tetris, just watched some of these videos, but essentially level 29 is supposed to be the kill screen (the developer didn't put a maximum level to the game just thought that no one would ever be good enough to get further), so once passed that level the game glitches a bit and I'm guessing might mean you can't put your score on the leaderboard on certain levels past 29 or it resets at some point.", "I still own the cartridge.", "Weird, I have done a somewhat similar thing since NES days for pushing buttons fasts. I roll the controller on my leg while bouncing my knee up and down. I think it was pretty fast, be curious how it compares.", "This is essentially the \"crab scratch\" technique from turntablism.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/mhnaYxm3VBU", "I didn't even know this was a thing.", "Ghost in the Shell hands", "Or just your finger wrapped in the end of your tshirt. Rub it back and forwards over the button, easy peasy.", "Rip Jonas. Brought up the sport. Followed by Joseph who dominated with hyper tapping. Now rolling has come in and set new records. Dog won this year's tournament with hypertapping but it's clear when someone masters rolling they will dominate. Dog knew he would lose any close race to kill screen if his opponent could roll and just out point him with singles. Insane", "This is the least important thing I've watched the most of in years haha.", "> In the end, all we make is trash.\n\n- Head of scene shop for a summer stock theater I worked at", "The main issue is really the standard NES controller is poorly designed especially for high speed Tetris. Nintendo had an official arcade style controller that seems much easier for this. I’m guessing tournaments force you to use the standard controller, is that why none of them use the arcade one?", "I’m guessing maybe some kind of special glove or something but I wish they had gone over this.", "Hopefully this will help show how physiology matters with regards to vidya game input. \n\nMouse and Keyboard should never mix with controller", "Bruh, just give Tetris Effect a try, especially if you have Xbox game pass. If you have 3 local players it’s a blast. The music is amazing.", "I’ve been playing by moving the piano into my finger for years.", "9 minutes? Who watches this shit?\n\nWho cares. Stop dumbing down society with this useless shit.", "This is why I gave up a while ago thinking I could be the best or even like top ten in the world in any given video game with some kind of leaderboards or scoring.\n\nBecause there is always gonna be a dude named Cheez who practices the absolute limit of human interaction with the game.", "There are people getting drunk legally in America, right now, that never drew a breath in the 20th Century.", "30mins down the rabbit hole", "I love random shit like this.", "LINE PIECE!", "Holding it down (technique of which is called DAS) only goes so fast. Until a few years ago that's how almost everyone played. It's good enough to get high scores and is enough to hit a 'maxout' (999,999) but the game got really competitive.\n\nSo people started 'hypertapping'. Which is just pressing the d-pad yourself really fast. if you're good enough, this is better than DAS. (NTSC it's easier to tap over DAS because DAS hertz rate is slower than on PAL).\n\nBut then the game got REALLY competitive and people kept getting stress injuries to their hands (not to mention, outside of a couple select people it's basically impossible to play past 'kill-screen', level 29).\n\nRolling not only alleviates the stress on the hands, it's even faster than tapping and allows playing past level 29 (level 19 on PAL)... which effectively allows games to last almost forever.\n\nIt'll be interesting to see how they mitigate that going forward for championships. Can't have games lasting forever.", "Isn't hypertapping just causing a muscle spasm in your arm to help press the button faster. My brother and I do that in Mario party all the time to beat the staff records.", "Can someone provide a tldr? I don’t want to click on such a clickbaity title", "it explains the history of speed taping and shows a new style that works better. watch it.", "Search \"half press A\"", "this is a example of humanities greatest ability. taking a idea/skill and tweaking it to make something even better. learning is seeing and understanding new ideas, this is far from useless, if it was then this wouldn't be a new idea for a game that has had global presence for 40 years. hell it would be used in gaming in general.", "In djing this is called the crab scratch (using your thumb as a spring and rolling your fingers on the cross fader to cut in and out of a sound). Ian Golden invented a midi controller (the midi fighter but before that he modified a VCI controller to have the arcade buttons instead of its stock buttons) for djing using arcade buttons a decade or more ago specifically because it allowed the crab scratch technique to be used on a midi controller.\n\nIm actually really surprised this didn't happen sooner.", "It’s super interesting. These guys are doing it in what I assume is a “legit” way. I wonder if someone has designed a controller to make it easier.", "What's oot short for?", "Another point of interest: His name isn't JONAS (that I know of), but that's a tribute to [Jonas Neubauer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Neubauer), a former 7-time Tetris World Champion who passed away earlier this year and sadly never got to see all of these insane new records.", "[Jonas Neubauer](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Neubauer) \n \n >Jonas Neubauer (April 19, 1981 – January 5, 2021) was an American Tetris player, seven-time champion at the Classic Tetris World Championship, and taproom manager.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "The entire time I was watching this video all I could think of was when I'm going to see cheeze pop up I the future Summoning Salt video.", "Some people are literal gods on video games, bro", "Thanks, I’ll google speed taping so as not to click on this specific one", "Tengen not that grey cartridge stuff, I want the OG", "That was the one that hooked me. I've since qualified for 1 CTWC (Classic Tetris World Championship) event and almost qualified for another. Just as I got to where I felt competitive with the top 64 players in the world, then they started rolling and I feel like a super scrub again lmao.", "That's a perfect analogy.", "hm, wonder if i could use these methods for better masturbation..", "Mine died on me and no amount of TLC would bring it back to life.", "crab scratch", "Can't compete with AI but it's very fucking damn impressive.", "I'm assuming Ocarina of Time.", "Practice. Each piece appears in the same orientation every time. It's just muscle memory learning how many rotates and left/right movements to get it to where you want it to go.", "My back started to hurt just reading this.", "!remindme 1 day", "Who?", "The way her fingers move remind me of [this](https://youtu.be/jkCiRSDPIzk)", "Rabbit-holed. I'm back", "Omg I think I actually beat that with hypertapping. I may be able to do tetris hypertapping as well.", "TIL there is a competitive NES Tetris scene in 2021.", "I assume you watched SummoningSalt as well?\n\nThen I suggest you check out beta break by Albert OK. It's about people in rock climbing breaking the intended route (the beta). It's more focused on single individuals, but it scratches a similar itch.", "Your comment, and this entire thread, is giving me some massive nerdgasms, I'm so happy right now lol, thanks.", "Check out Albert OKs series \"Beta Break\".\n\nIt's like the rock climbing equivalent of people destroying the intended route (the beta).", "On 3, there are regular tournaments with prize money, but it’s not big money, nobody is going to be able to full time pro in this. The Tetris twitch channels usually have about one or two hundred viewers, except the big CTWC tournament had over 1k.", "That's right", "I get that, but when he compares it to the two main strategies he for some reasons brings up that it doesn't require you to modify your bare hands, which neither of the other techniques require, so I was wondering what technique does require modifying your bare hands... like I don't even know what that means in this context, lol", "Coincidentally, the guy is also a piano player. He has some really cool arrangements on his other channel aSongScout", "The drummer is right though, that type of finger roll is essentially what piano players do when they want to play the same note really fast.", "This is all out of my wheelhouse but this video is blowing my mind up. So cool.", "Isn't Patterson an author, and Pattinson the actor?", "\"Sit back and relax\" feels completely antithetical to 99% of youtube content.\n\nI want more.", "I assume you assume correctly.\n\nSource: Owned an N64 and a copy of OoT", "There will be another round when BCIs get good enough.", "Damn, that rolling strategy is crazy powerful.", "Maybe in the future we'll have robotics assisted championships, like people modifying their prosthetics or something", "Tetris is the king of playability. It’s practically chess, but for dexterity and hand eye.", "Not new.", "I'm astonished at how people still come up with new exciting ways of masturbation!", "this is how i know there will never be another einstein", "Fuck DJs", "Fuck 'em.", "Perfectly stated. The same thing can be said for watching indulgent dedication.", "Psshhh hyper tapping is so 2000and late.", "I popped my hip and now I've fallen and I can't get up.", "I can't believe I watched three and a half minutes of that before I realized I didn't give a shit.", "It's a 100 year game.", "I’m really glad you guys have time for this", "I remember when I first saw hyper taping I was like wtf is wrong with that guy ? He’s pressing the buttons weirdly. Then I learned more about it and realized I had been playing NES the wrong way", "This was a thing 30 years ago. Didn't know it was special. Glad to see the kids rediscovering old techniques and perfecting them.", "There is creams for thats", "Seeing that track and field cabinet had me reaching for my comb.", "Now. If only the community can improve the power glove!", "I thought I was watching an Onion story about weibos giving themselves carpal tunnel so they can collect disability insurance and continue living in mom's basement?", "I don't wanna be in the same match as this person in Tetris 99", "Apparently I'm a hypertapper and didn't know it directly as a result of that exact game moment", "It's only wasting life from your perspective.\n\nThey wouldn't be doing it if it weren't fun for them. \nThey're living life on their terms.\n\nCan't say the same about you, judging people on how they enjoy their lives, unless this is how you enjoy your life. In which case you are a colossal hypocrite.", "As there is no year zero, the first century is from 1-100, 2nd is 101-200, the 20th is 1901-2000 21st century started Jan 1, 2001 so that won’t be true for a few more weeks.", "The revelation isn't using multiple fingers though, that was already well known. The problem was that the button was too small to do that. The revelation was to move the controller instead of the button which gave more surface area to use multiple fingers.", "I'm not too surprised about finding out new game strategies decades later, but what is really interesting is that it has nothing to do with the game or finding a new glitch or something, it's entirely just how you hold the controller. I also love how obvious it is in retrospect. It's such a simple but brilliant idea.", "I was wrecking Track and Field records in the 80s doing what Hector is doing. Weird.", "Recently?", "Is there a graph of nes tetris records over time?", "Very interesting", "I remember crushing my brothers in Mario Party. I used basically a controller jiggle when I needed to mash buttons. For the spinning the joystick ones I would turn the controller over and push the joystick into the carpet and basically move the whole controller in circles.", "Nope, that's Legend of Zelda. This is about Tetris.", "There was a follow up video where he spoke more on it.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2xCQT0BUcw", "Love this. I'm always looking for piano inspiration", "Seconds can end a life... Med-Alert can help you save it.\n\nDon't delay... call today for a free consultation.", "Besides moving it side to side, they are also rotating it by pressing the A and B buttons. They rotate it to the proper position at the same time that they are using the D-pad to get it to the proper location.", "Neeeeerrrrrdddsss!!", "Get off my lawn", "FFX came out 20 years ago.", "Gaming is crazy, but what's crazier is how popular Tetris continues to be after all these years. It's kind of a perfect game.", "Do people ever tell you you look like Hank Schrader from Breaking Bad?", ">recently\n\n>video is 7 months old\n\nYou're supposed to adapt the title when you repost old content", "My back hurt long before I read this.", "Get off my lawn", "It's the greatest video game of all time", "Should have just bought themselves a MadCatz controller with a Turbo feature\n\n/s", "Almost quit the video when I saw how long it was thinking it would be a waste of time. Watched the whole thing and I am damn glad I did.", "Me knees oh me knees", "I’m not sure why I watched 3 and a half minutes of that", "I think it's just poor wording. I think what he meant was, \"It allows you to use an unmodified controller and only requires bare hands\"", "Yeah well, I've been trying to perfect this motion with my Wife...\n\nWorld record incoming...", "Watching Price is Right stayed home sick from school flashback. Then NES, SNES, or genesis all day until mom gets home.", "sorry I am not very smart when it comes to piano technique, but is this similar to what this guy does in this video? I saw this video ten-ish years ago and it just blew my mind.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/05k8DgEXZXM?t=164", "Why'd you have to go and cut me legs out from under me like that? I was in my prime. My prime!", "That move reminds me a lot of crab scratching in turntablism.", "Recently is subjective, and it's not a repost.", "I had no idea Matthew Bevers from Broad City had his own channel.", "Sounds like that dude Cheez had an idea and then put in the work to prove to everyone it was a good idea.\n\nThats dope. Much respect", "I want to go buy an NES tbh", "My man busts out an enormous carton of goldfish at the end. Dude needed a snack in between takes.", "I love the power glove, it's so bad.", "Yep, it will forever be fun.", "I know it from paintballing.", "Fuck fuck fuck fuck fuick fuck fuick", "I choose to believe that they've added tiny, miniature Doctor Octopus arms as extra fingers to press the button faster, because that would be cool. But yeah, obviously he probably meant like gloves or something, I'd just rather believe the other thing.", "I had to stop playing Tetris because it was all I could think about (i.e. \"Tetris Effect\"). When my eyes closed I just kept seeing shapes running down my vision. I dreamt about it.\n\nWhen I was in school, I cut out multiple pieces of paper in the shape of tetris pieces and made a tetris board. Then I would reach in a bag and pull out a piece and look at it in the air away from the board. Then I would have to put the piece down the first place my eyes looked. So it was about memorizing the board and trying to lock in your brain exactly where I looked.\n\nAnyway, this is amazing. I wonder how bad the Tetris Effect is for these top players.", "Was it only 3k years ago? Seems longer.", "Hope they have a good hand surgeon", "Where’s the best place to buy an NES in the states? Should have kept my NES Power Pad lol. But seriously, where do I get a reliable console and do they work on these fancy future TVs? Someone point my old ass in the right direction, in the meantime I’ll be banging your moms while I kill you on COD.", "NPPL Paintball players have entered the chat", "Heel toe slide. Hands also have the moeller technique.", "Check out /r/hobbydrama haha", "No bite", "Yooooooooooooooo MIND BLOWN", "It's not really speed tapping.\n\n>I don’t want to click on such a clickbaity title\n\nThe title isn't clickbait, clickbait would be something like \"You wont believe this insane technique that Tetris players are shocking the world with!\".\n\nI'm assuming you think it's clickbait because the technique isn't fully explained in the title. If so, then do you think every video/article title should include a spoiler, or should fully explain the subject being discussed? I disagree, and I think most people would as well.\n\nAt any rate, googling \"speed tapping\" wont tell you what this is, and every article/video I found on this doesn't explain the technique in the title, so I guess you will never find out what it is.", "I'm gonna go play Tetris connected right now because of this", "Why does the CTWC only focus on classic tetris and not also have competitions for the modern battle variants as well?", "Wow this is Cheese now! Remarkable, still smashing records https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GefEJZltuNk&", "Spoilers, he don't know", "Those are allowed I think but you need to roll on a dpad and not an arcade stick", "oldest joke in the book", "Do those work on the dpad?", "I stopped reading halfway through your comment. Can someone give me the TLDR?", "I agree, you should fuck DJs.", "I was in a very famous siiiiiiilent film", "no its real", "2.7 million people watched it", "The technique has existed for a year 💀", "Should be a mockumentary", "Well I mock it", "Choose whichever of my prior two comments you dislike less", "I'm sure I never tried to set it up. Who knows?", "...I was there the day the strength of Men failed.", "Msushi has a bunch of really great videos on breaking down Portal speedrunning specifically. I don't think they rely much on understanding of the game or its runs; quite accessible.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/c/Msushi100/videos", "That's how I feel too. I like to think I'm a novice to intermediate level player, but seeing videos with people doing common techniques so well, is both inspiring and makes me realize just how bad I am. Hell, jumps still scare me lol", "Amazon has the console by itself for 70 dollars if you look for a Used Nintendo brand console and you look at the listings where it says for example \"Used (24) from $69.47 + $3.99 shipping\". Facebook Marketplace is pretty good and flea markets aren't too bad either. Don't pay over a hundred for a console on its own. You can also buy retron clone consoles which are significantly cheaper than the real deal and are tournament legal for the classic tetris world championship. Look for retron 1 and the retron 1 hd. As for the display, you will want a crt (tube) tv. These can be easily found on marketplace for dirt cheap. Don't pay higher than 50 bucks for these. Accessories and games can be found on online stores such as lukie games and dk oldies. If you want to join the classic tetris community join the discord, [https://www.ctm.gg/discord](https://www.ctm.gg/discord). Bug me in messages if you need help with anything.", "Wow 13 hours and not a single comment about finger-blasting ladies.", "Math is fun but culture doesn’t work that way", "Learned this playing metal gear solid.", "Help help I'm being repressed", "Well it is the Classic Tetris World Championships (CTWC). But a lot of the newer games have separate game styles. There are competitions for those separate variants but they’re not as popular.", "It still holds up, one of the most addictive games ever made", "the end of aboot", "30 years later new META comes out. I’m waiting on some weird thing where rollers hold the controller upside down because it’s easier to roll lol", "Grandma fell down outside and pressed the button. Grandpa picked up and said, \"yeah, we're all good here.\" 👍", "Ok, so basically the crab scratch... got it.", "If Steve Harris played Tetris", "I played Tetris almost this fast on a Mac Classic back in the day. I played Tetris so much I would see the game in my mind's eye when I was trying to fall asleep.", "So I opened that, saw that it was 17 minutes and figured I would watch a bit then probably skip around. Watched every second in complete awe. Cheez is an absolute god.", "There's a follow-up video, and Rob did a response too", "Ended up watching the entire video, incredibly interesting.", "I love that guy. Pretty much everything I know about speedrunning is from him and Summoning Salt", "Centuries", "Rob Scallon caught me off-guard", "The flyheccing was what we used to do back in the 80's on Track n Field. No way that's only 10 years old as a techniquee.", "I remember when floppy disks were actually floppy.\n\nhttps://64.media.tumblr.com/b14a2aef3100625cbb43b3fba904dc76/tumblr_opeb6y9Epp1rn5gv3o1_500.gifv", "I mean that kind of describes every death.", "This is what I want to know. If not they are exact twins", "Tetris is the greatest game of all times.", "CTWC is specifically for 'classic' Tetris; in this case, NES Tetris. There's plenty of competitive scenes for other styles, including modern, aka 'Guideline', Tetris play.", "That's totally fair, haha. I suppose it's just referring to not needing to have absurdly fast tapping abilities or anything; rolling is technically a fairly accessible strategy that can be picked up, as long as you can figure out the grip and pressure and such. Hypertapping isn't an ability everyone has, in comparison.", "That's one technique for it, though it might not be the healthiest. It's essentially whatever fashion you employ to be able to press the button as rapidly as possible; for NES Tetris, sustained bursts of 12+ hz (12 times per second) are all but required to be an effective hypertapper.", "The arcade stick essentially locks you to really only having DAS as an option, which in turn heavily restricts your ability to move pieces to the side on the higher speed levels. I'd love to see hypertapping speeds on a stick without it all but snapping off! And this is coming from someone who's used an arcade stick to play the TGM series, too... where DAS is all but expected.", "This is why video games are awesome.", "My wife is going to kill me. I’d think a tv would be easy to get for free since you have to pay to recycle them and they are heavy af", "Tetris Effect is a pretty sweet update too.", "lol, yeah, it's like the person didn't quiiiite finish the video. This is nothing like the new technique!", "... on the D-pad no less. A lot of the musicians in these comments are glossing over that detail. Rolling has been a gaming technique for a while now, the video even says so. The innovation was in tap-rolling the controller into a stationary digit held over the button using the other hand because it's too hard to roll on a tiny D-pad arrow directly.", "\"We have the technology...\"", "What happened? DJ Steal Yo Girl use his crab twiddle technique?", ">\"You sure you want to hold? Okay, say no more fam\"\n\nNow this is my kind of breakdown", "And play it once or twice then never touch it again", "[In Praise of Idleness by Bertrand Russell](https://harpers.org/archive/1932/10/in-praise-of-idleness/)", "I want to take this technique and go back in time to Gamecube Mario Party and beat the shit out of my roommates", "You should check this out:\n\nUsing controller inputs to inject code into videogames and program them into other games\n\nhttps://youtu.be/hB6eY73sLV0", "Some places have a legal drinking age of 18, not 21.", "I mean it's not recent, speed players of Tetris have been doing this for years", "Rolling is not \"new\", it's definitely nothing new. Why are they claiming it's new all of a sudden? Are these boomers completely out of the loop? It's been around for years ... NOT NEW!! I was actually excited, and now I'm dissapoint 😐😑", "Here I am 40 years old with a family and barely time to play Skyrim and this is how these guys make a living. I am sad now.", "OG game boy. I played that game for 24 hours on Christmas.", "Wrong. 20rh century ended Dec 31 2000", "Yup, track & field was awesome if you could find one that wasn't broken.\n\nBonus points if you had a comb on you.", "It's the order that things shut down which determines the cause of death. In his case, the heart was first.", "This is literally how I did that scene and any other button mashing. Especially on a handheld system.", "Holy shit. I'm a mental slug but I thought I would try this out. I hit a personal all-time high score on my first try. The thing that I found most amazing about this is the mental speedup. Suddenly my brain had time to focus on where to put things instead of also having to focus on pushing the buttons.", "How am I just hearing about this damn that's so sad. I used to be big into watching Jonas play at competitions and Holy shit I loved the guys personality and watching him play. Terrible loss.", "Even a game as old as Tetris still finds people to try and cheat to claim a world record. Just ask the current so called world record by some guy named cheez", "Cheez was not the first to implement rolling into Tetris. Not even close", "Lol, ok. I’ve been gaming since the 1980s.", "how meaningful is a 100m sprint world record?", "the guy who made the video definitely looks like someone who is interested in tetris.", "Man and I thought it was insane there was a new skip discovered in Final Fantasy 7 recently", "If you like Tetris play by play commentary, [you'll love this video.](https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/qaae97/ai_playing_perfect_tetris/)", "0 here if it's not public. 14 public with parents nearby and 16 without.", "Why does he stop going for the tetris at some point and continue later on?", "Innovative for sure. I just have to point out that the FGC has been piano rolling for over a decade", "TIL there was still world championships for Tetris, pretty cool, and this video shows the levels of ingenuity players will go to so they can master their craft.", "The video explains that rolling has been used in other games for years, but this technique is new to Tetris.\n\nIn fact, here's a post from the Tetris subreddit explainin how this new technique may fundamentally change the competitive scene:\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Tetris/comments/ng89gq/wr_first_ever_level_40_congratz_cheez/gys5ihz/", "That actually reminds me more of crab scratching on a turntable than fast finger style on bass (I DJ and play bass). You aren’t actually putting much pressure on the cross fader on a mixer with your thumb. You’re letting it bounce of your thumb using your other fingers. This is exactly what it looks like they’re doing with the controller. \n\n\nExample of crab scratching from one of the best scratchers ever: https://youtu.be/R_6fVOEitTE", "I dont think they have. Do you have a source?\n\nFor example, here's a post from the Tetris subreddit explaining how this new technique may fundamentally change the competitive scene.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Tetris/comments/ng89gq/wr_first_ever_level_40_congratz_cheez/gys5ihz/", "Everybody getting arthritis in this bitch", "I never lose a Mario Party game that involves fast button mashing. It's exactly like they showed with that Gamecube controller. Just put both thumbs over the button, then wiggle the controller like hell.", "Uhhh the top upvoted videos are kinda interesting tho. I found my new videos to watch while eating!", "It’s so cool to see that Tetris is still going strong.", "To bad they didn't have stuff like social media when I was a kid and playing tetris.\n\nHas come up with something similar to beat friends, except I played by holding the controller upside down.\n\nCan't do it these days thought due to lack of fine motor control. :(", "Only?", "This was found a few months ago though?", "I didn't known I was interested in this. Thanks op.", "Srry to spoil it to people who dont know, this aint new", "It’s a surprisingly great video yeah :P got me too lol", "this is literally THE WORST novelty account on reddit.", "Depends on what you mean by new. It entered the Tetris scene around 7 months ago.", "Suppose so. Correction, not new if you consider 7 months old", "Yes, that's exactly what he's doing!", "I'm a professional pianist and it's the same for me l, it doesn't change with level, she's incredible!", "That rolling technique is used to play guitar too, so I’m not surprised the musician naturally attempted it.", "As was I. The dude was really enthusiastic and I just had to know what was so exciting.", "You were one of those* people while everyone was celebrating the new millennium, weren't you", "I prefer to be 10 min older and in-the-know about this breakthrough, rather than 10 min younger and naïve.", "Yes, give me a long-ass intro before you even mention what the \"new thing\" is. Wasting my damn time with this crap.", "Do players get the same blocks in tournaments, or at least in the championship? If not, seems like the RNG element could make it unfair, but I guess that's just part of the game.\n\nStill, though, seems like it would be easy to make a tournament game where the players get the same blocks, so it would be a true 1:1 competition.", "That video is amazing.\n\n\"OH so you want to learn how to do half an a press? Well first we have to talk about parallel universes\"", "This is what I thought even before showing rolling. But I did not think about doing it from under. Crazy", "Hold the thumb lightly on the D-pad, then roll your fingers on the bottom of the controller, so that the D-pad gets pressed into your thumb. The finger rolls cause the D-pad to be pressed faster than you can do it with only one finger.", "There are competitions for modern tetris as well. They are separate because there are subtle differences in the mechanics that become very important in high level play.\n\nThere is also TGM, Tetris Grand Master, which is popular for [speedrunning](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzBc5l3bWyM), since it actually has an end, though it's very hard to. It ends by playing with an invisible board.", "To beat the competition?\n\nThought that was blindingly obvious.", "What are you doing, step bro?", "very cool.", "The video we didn’t know we needed", "Does somebody have a link to the official rules for tetris? Can a classical arcade stick controller be used? Is a hitbox arcade (a kind of all button controller) allowed? What about chips that alternate the players input like the SOCD chip used in the hitbox arcade?", "New to tetris?\n\nWe used to roll-spam buttons while playing some arcade fighting game. I don't remember the name, but it had a nazi type guy with extension limbs.", "He sure got a foothold on his controller grip to succeed, that's for sure.", "We were all waiting for you. Took you long enough.", "Legit downloaded Trackmania the other day thanks to that guy, just out of the blue his videos started popping up on my YouTube recommended.\n\nMy favourite one was when he went undercover as \"mufat.\" that had me rolling lol.", "I think thats how he actually made it, just moving it over from those arcade machines", "I believe there are several leagues/tournaments that allow modified equipment/games, but AFAIK the CTWC only allows stock NES controllers.\n\nhttps://thectwc.com/rules/", "what in the world have I just watched", "Add Wirtual for his amazing Trackmania videos.", "Damn, with the Tetris Effect: Connected song in the background. Very touching indeed.", "I hope you pressed your life alert button.", "Dayumn. Had no clue people were this into Tetris.", "Thank you!", "Good video. No fluff.", "Our ability to understand things instantly, so called “common sense”, derives from a certain range of size and speed and duration that are appropriate for human existence. We know about things from a tenth of a millimeter to a few kilometers, from a fraction of a second to a lifetime. So when we are dealing with matters of quantum physics or particles tenth to the minus thirteenth centimeter or in cosmology where we are talking about 10 billion light years...", "The record for high score was only broken this last week by a player called Cheez. He hit 2.3 million points using the rolling technique! Crazy!", "I thought I was good getting to 26. My parents couldn't keep up and couldn't move as fast as I did because I switched to tapping and they never got it down.\n\nBut this... Jesus Christ on a stick..", "The MS paint force diagram definitely made me chuckle", "They are having fun playing a video game and competing with each other. Why tf do you care how others spend their time?", "Gr8 b8 m8", "Ok boomer", "Alright everyone is writing about how they ended up watching this whole 30 minute Tetris video so ima give it a shot and edit this in half an hour.", "I did that with a lighter...", "Almost all the top vids are pannenkoek. I wish there were more people doing what he does but with other games.", "I found out from your comment. Wtf, that's just awful and unexpected. It is equivalent if Roger Federer or Cristiano Ronaldo pass away. Game isn't the same anymore without him", "What a world we live in, when bass guitar players can \"roll\" with Tetris players. ;)", "MS Paint and Tetris? What year is it, again?", "‘Recently’", "Is that... Based on a true fact?", "my first tetris, as it was for a lot of kids' around here, was on my game boy when it came out in '89 or '90. tetris came with the game boy and i played it way more than any other game boy game.", "Boom tetris for Jeff", "It's a video that demonstrates why speedrunning is so cool. Especially having the bug climb by abusing the different' hit, detection and animation zones", "Yeah I remember that Tetris video too. Rob is great", "World Heroes.", "This is some cool info. Fun video. \n\nThat said. I hate that the youtube era of content creators all do this weird \"look away and back\" movement. It's not natural. No one talks to you like that in real life. Almost like they are throwing the next sentence at you with their eyes. It's not engaging and for me, distracts a bit from what they are saying. \n\nThere is also a widening of the eyes when they look back at the camera. It's not just this dude, I have never seen a video with him before. A LOT of youtube era creators do it. Someone, at some point convince some people that this was engaging and conveyed maybe sincerity? I am not sure. I dislike it.", "This video doesn’t explain why fast tapping is an advantage. I still don’t get it.", "Or don't use your shirt and end up with blisters on your fingers", "If only all of these competitive gamers could put their talents into something that matters :(", "They said America…", "What decade is this?", "wow couldnt imagine something more uninteresting", "Thanks for the link, much appreciated.", "I’m dumb please explain what ‘push the Tetris meta’ means", "For a short time in 2007 and 2009 I was the worldwide record holder for mobile Tetris. I was really proud of that cus I had nothing else going on in my life. lol", "Middle out!", "Especially [Karaoke Tetris.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ht8TkuRgLA)", "Had it for my Atari ST and played, or let run, Little Computer People. The ST series had Midi ports and the the little dude played his piano, the music played through the Midi.", "God I hate the idea people need to cut and cut sentences over and over to never have time to breathe in a video and it sounds like you're on cocaine", "Dammit, I got played.", "I'm aware, and took that into account. [Have a look](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._history_of_alcohol_minimum_purchase_age_by_state) to see which states have a legal drinking age of 18.", "[U.S. history of alcohol minimum purchase age by state](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._history_of_alcohol_minimum_purchase_age_by_state) \n \n >The alcohol laws of the United States regarding minimum age for purchase have changed over time. In colonial America, generally speaking, there were no drinking ages, and alcohol consumption by young teenagers was common, even in taverns. In post-Revolutionary America, such laxity gradually changed due to religious sentiments (as embodied in the temperance movement) and a growing recognition in the medical community about the dangers of alcohol. The more modern history is given in the table below.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "He protek \nHe attak \nBut most of all, he snek", "The faster they tap the D-pad, the faster the piece moves from side to side. When the pieces are falling at their fastest, you need as much speed as possible so that you don't hit a row of blocks before you get to the desired location.", "\"recently\"", "Comparison to ai is really not meaning full in this game since the major issue for most human players is input speed. By definition a computer could make an almost infinite number of inputs per second. On top of that Tetris isn't a terribly difficult to solve for the optimal solution on a computer. It'd hardly really be an ai.", "Boom! Tetris for Koryan. IYKYK", "pushes eyeglasses, clears throat\n\nUmm technically the 21st century didn't begin until 2001.", "This is exactly the type of random entertaining shit i like to find on reddit", "I got carpal tunnel just watching that video. \n\nAll kidding aside, those Tetris players have some serious skills!", "I love games so much. All games. Just so human", "You just gave me a flashback to my dumbass not realizing you had to escape inbetween the torture scenes and just trying to survive as long as I could... \nI pinched my thumb and index together real hard and just slide them repeatedly across the button, insane tapping speeds that way", "Can we get some “booms, Tetris for Jonas” in the chat plz", "Cool", "I just need a robot hector and 5 minutes. Thanks.", "You know when you press a key on your keyboard and itttttttt auto-repeats automatically? well that is at a set speed. This allows players to button mash so fast they obliterate that speed.", "After watching that I wish there was a longer video on Tetris world records and competitions. Something about taking a very basic concept for gameplay to these levels, decades later, is just absolutely fascinating to me.", "This the YT release, the actual championship was three to four weeks ago iirc", "Eh who cares?", "Summoning salt. Get on it dude.", "Never played the NES version. I should try it out on emulator.", "I believe a fully decompiled version was just recently released", "Yoo that gamecube controller technique is something ive been doing for years! I should of recorded myself!", "BREAKING NEWS : video is 7 months old with 2 million views", "Fuck! I'm a bartender that served several 2000 babies yesterday. Borrowing this statement for some of my banter.", "Never played Tetris on NES but I appreciate how enthusiastic this group is.", "Also check out wirtual!\n\nHe has a very captivating way of talking about the history of trackmania world records and techniques. Even if you don't like trackmania it's pretty entertaining\n\nHe's got a few channels. The one just called \"wirtual\" (not wirtualtv or anything) is the one that does the in depth history and technique videos", "it adjusts to your speed between rounds. if you go crazy fast early, you'll need to go even faster later. it's designed to be strenuous regardless of your skill at mashing, i guess to vaguely approximate holding out against torture.\n\nin any case, the trick is to go as slow as you can get away with without failing.", "Makes me sad that Jonas neubauer isn't around to see it", "That's may be why I never got the Meryl ending even in normal mode.", "Official diagnosis was:\n\n“Sudden cardiac death due to cardiac arrhythmia of undetermined etiology (cause).”\n\nLiterally: his heart stopped and we don’t know why", "The \"meta\" is a term used to summarise all the mechanics and techniques, that the (pro) community deems the best at the time of inquiry.\n\nEg: In shooters it might be that \"This gun is very strong at the moment, next balance patch better bring it in line\", or in terms of traditional sports it would be the \"fosbury flop\" technique for high jump.\n\nTo push the meta basically means, that someone came up with a new way to play the game, or reach a goal, that has a tangible advantage. This will lead to (pro) players trying it out, refining it, and eventually all pro's might use the new way, because it's simply better. (Kinda like the Fosbury Flop in high jump)", "6:35 or so. We get a glimpse at what the narrator sounds like in the bed room.", "I watched competitive Tetris before (when Joseph beat Jonas) and it was hype. Such a wholesome community yoo", "Ahh yeah sounds like you're ready for a break", ":)", "“recently”? I saw this months ago.", "Man, I don't know the guy, but that sucks. Just suddenly died without a real reason or explanation. Just, his heart stopped. Guy wasn't even 40 yet.", "You’d like Wirtual’s YT about trackmania. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/9w_PrEOeMjw", "Reminds me of what pro scratch DJ’s do on the cross fader to trill 16th beats called crabbing (crepe actually) invented by this dude qbert and mix master mike https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R_6fVOEitTE", "I was totally waiting for a punch line lol\n\nAlso, I thought hold down slammed a piece down. Did I dream it? OS is that's still not as fast as whatever this dude is talking about?", "Pretty sure en important part of the distinction between normal tapping and hypertapping is that it's faster than DAS.", "I will give you a take that would be considered a bit unusual for anyone that dont really know about nes tetris and how it has gone. The video posted here is not news. Its almost a year ago, now you will be telling me that i am crazy, of course it is news, NES Tetris was released 1984, that is 37 years ago. Let mr explain. \n\nIn late 2018, in the world championship final, the legend and 7 times world champion Jonas Neubauer faced off against the newcomer Joseph Saelee. A little bit extra context, there had at that point previously only been 8 world championships. Jonas was that good. However he was using the classic style of playing the game, i wont go through the concepts of the way of holding and managing the controller because it is literally explained in the video that is linked and is exactly what the video is about. Joseph however was one of the pioneers of hypertapping and the inportant part was not that Joseph beat Jonas. The important part was that somehow the video had the right title and was posted at the right place and right time. Youtube algorithm was really favourable for that video, and A LOT of people became followers of the classic tetris scene right there and then. Including me. This sparked an upwards trend of especially young competitors that have pushed tetris harder and harder towards the pure limits of the hardware. Now the level the top competitors today are stacking is not necessarily at a higher fundamental level than Jonas, i would say that he was arguably better than them with the stacking of pieces, which is understandable as he had been playing tetris not only for 8 years of world championships but many many years prior as well. However being able to move pieces faster is simply such an advantage that proved much more valuable than the excellent stacking skills in this game. The hypertapping community was basically driving eachother to madness until Cheez started this new technique. I believe that if he didnt come up with it right then, someone else would have done so within this year or the next two years. It was simply inevitable based on how competition has been going. \n\nHowever in terms of the new tetris revolution, that video has been around for almost a third of the total time.", "Tetris is one of the greatest games of all time with one the most illegal IP protections for its music.\n\nTetris somehow managed to get world-wide, eternal IP rights for a traditional folk song, Koboreiniki. Which it should in no way be able to do.\n\nWTF?", "The last couple of years the championships have been held online, and the top 64 players would enter the main bracket -- but \"same piece sets\", as they're generally called in the community, wouldn't be implemented until the top 8 players were reached. That's because special cartridges would be sent out to the players in question, I believe!", ">Also, I thought hold down slammed a piece down. Did I dream it? OS is that's still not as fast as whatever this dude is talking about?\n\nThis technique makes the side to side movement faster, which is what's important.", "Makes me wonder if I should experiment with my masturbation game.", "I did something similar with my wife last night.", "The guy that makes that video is also a piano god - highly recommended subbing to both of his channels", "This is so dumb", "Going to infinity and beyond...\n\nWithin Tetris, but by pushing the boundaries of game mechanics (or, in this case, the hardware controller and unique human technique) in order to maximize results.\n\nIt's amazing, what the right kind of optimization can do.", "So, they basically click really fast.", "I bet that technique would be absolutely killer with the ladies.", "It’s crazy how sexual this is", "Mrs. Fletcher??", "Thanks. That makes sense.", "Have you ever checked out streams of 2-4 player races of old 8 bit and 16 bit classic games with randomizers (scripts that rearrange the layout and sequence of the original game but retain a working logic that makes completion possible and the route somewhat predictable)?\n\nSounds dumb, most might think it is, but tbh I find them really fun to watch. Zelda Link to the Past and Super Metroid are two great games with randomizers, but it is a growing segment.", "Ok BoOmEr", "Rob Scallon! He's a guitarist that helped discover there was an alternate way that could potentially be more efficient, and the community went to work to figure it out", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8tl8b/tetris_players_recently_discovered_an_unusual_way/hnb8h0o?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3", "Evolution has been telling us the answer was always crabs.", "The finals where he lost to Joseph Saelee really shows his character too. He was respectful and cheering him on while Joseph went for those insane moves to win. If you haven't seen the video where the developers of Tetris Effect let Jonas play and then later plays in VR is really worth it.", "This is the most nerdy video I've ever watched and I love it.", "Is that Bevers from Broad City?", "Yeah it was discovered in fall of 2020", "Bot many people but there are this kind of people in many many games. They are usually speedrunners since not every game can have 1v1 and records so they focus on finishing It faster than anyone else.", "What difficulty setting was she set too?", "It’s definitely amazing to think there are new strategies being created even today.", "He's not a distance runner.", "try explaining this to the aliens", "Meta comes from metagame e.g. you have the game of baseball and the meta game of baseball is all the trading and training that goes into playing baseball. Spring training is not in fact part of the game of baseball but it is a key part of the metagame and people pay attention to that.\n\nPushing the meta means to find a new different way to play the same game by the same rules.", "Could have sworn i read about it years ago", "Same for FF7, with step counting (literally controlling how many steps you make walking and running) to get the same random battles every time.", "did i do that?", "Diabeetus", "That’s quite the talk for someone who spends as much time on Reddit as you do", "It's awesome watching someone speak about something they're passionate about", "Ok, that explains it. Thanks!", "I randomly said 'over yonder' after reading this", "Californiiyaa", "Thank you this was fascinating", "I'll cite 2 reasons why I do, while we're at it:\n\n1) The music choices\n\n2) the solid block style, as opposed to the joined squares. I hated that \"bubble\" look the moment I saw it.", "what is this genre of youtube called i love it", "Thats it, thanks Marcus. Not the most memorable name for a game, is it?", "I thought everybody learned this from mortal Kombat?", "Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands? Did you even read what you cited? Every state changed to 21 in the 80’s at the latest.", "Yes.", "A niche subsection of gamers isn't exactly main stream.\n\nThe point was that no one in that community was using this technique until a few months ago, despite the game being 30+ years old. Use whatever phrase makes you happy.", "Where's the beef?", "Thank you for the thread and this extra video. I didn't even know this existed but I love it. In the words of Cheez, I'm so happy right now :)", "Thanks for putting this into words. It's so refreshing and so well made.", "Yeah it's one of my favourite videos. Unfortunately i cant enjoy it the same way after Jonas passed away.", "I'm Chaplin, of course!", "did you get recommended this video randomly on youtube as well? went down a rabbit hole the last week", "Wild news", "[adding a thumb obviously](https://youtu.be/i1TkiN309_4)", "9/11/2001 was my first day of high school.", "Last time the meta was pushed was ~2017 when a \"new\" method made it to the world finals: holding the controller in such a way that you can mash the left or right button as fast as possible. In 2021, a \"rolling\" player managed to beat the 2017 \"hypertap\" champion.", "I never have, this is the first I have heard of them.", "seconded, i've never speedrun but I find those speedrun vids so fascinating", "Yeah it just blew up somehow.", "Idk when was the technique discovered, but its usage in Tetris just started last year", "Glad that the video got here and blew up again", "I don't even know how to cross something out.", "Just play the normal way. I'm not seeing how one can be accurate for tetris this way placing the pieces if your brain doesn't see when to stop rolling the button.", "This is why bowling alleys are empty", "They can see when to stop, that's why records are being set." ]	712	videos	Tetris players recently discovered an unusual way to use the NES controller, which is leading to new records being set.
https://youtu.be/tasgdeBvRgI	/r/videos/comments/r8uife/youtube_content_id_scam_that_has_been_running_for/	[ "YouTube out here saying this is all for our protection while scammers are making millions of dollars of the system they built", "We need Youtube alternative ASAP", "those systems are more a product of the shittily written dmca laws. youtube doesn't have much choice about that shit, and they can't really go after abusers either because of the way the dmca laws are written. it's what happens when governments have the music industry write their legislations for them. youtube does a lot of shit, but i think their copyright stuff is more the fault of lawmakers than youtube.", "Whatever platform that was as big as youtube would probably suffer from the same issues. \n\nI think the move is just paying content creators more directly (which people are moving in the direction of thanks to services like Patreon)", "Fair use is a legal defense to copyright infringement that needs to be determined by a judge. Unless you are in front of a judge nobody is going to let you get away with a fair use claim. If YouTube were to determine something is fair use, they would eventually end up in front of a judge paying massive legal fees with the risk that they were wrong and intentionally violated the copyright laws. Also one of the prongs is the \"Purpose and character of the use, including whether the use is of a commercial nature\" so saying boo hoo YouTube demonetized me but it was fair use will likely not be persuasive to a judge. \n\nhttps://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/", "[There are many alternatives already!](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_online_video_platforms)\n\nThere's a good chance what you're looking for when you say \"alternative\" is one of the services in the \"Discontinued\" section.", "Had to turn it off after he said “copywritten”. I know it’s petty, but the word is copyRIGHT not copyWRITE. Therefore the past tense is copyrighted.", "I can’t believe people still don’t understand this after years of the “fair use” discussions on YouTube. Every time I see a video mention it blows my mind" ]	9	videos	YouTube Content ID scam that has been running for 5 years
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hs6tjASLqM	/r/videos/comments/r8uixc/botez_sisters_dismantle_howard_stern_and_his/	[ "After watching this I’m all about the Botez sisters lol", "They're endlessly amusing. But how did you watch a 15 minute video, plus the 10 minute supporting video in one minute?", "[This is the original video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g4-JWcexts) that's being discussed.", "Lol I had already seen it a little bit ago, but it came up again here", "> Botez sisters\n\nWho? What?", "Botez Sisters. Dismantling Howard Stern.", "Howard Stern on some kind of anti-boob trip. Weird.", "Chess players that are popular on twitch", "He's the shock jock... That's kind of his thing.", "I think they're asking who they are, not what their name is again.", "Sorry I don't watch Canadians that I can tell are Canadian, it was apparent 5 seconds in.", "Accomplished chess players turned online content producers. \n\nOne of their videos Howard Stern does his usual creepy misogyny and race baiting routine on, and they politely dismantle it, making his hypocrisy more apparent.", "For a supposed chess fan it sounds like he still knows very little about chess.", "Stern's knowledge and impressions about things are mostly archaic.", "He’s just trying to make content. He has been making something out of nothing.", "Perhaps, but you'll notice they're not malignant bigots whereas he is." ]	19	videos	Botez Sisters Dismantle Howard Stern and his hypocrisy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6OvrRbGU68	/r/videos/comments/r8ulmx/adam_ondra_is_the_worlds_greatest_flash_climber/	[ "Adam Ondra is pretty much agreed to be the best climber in every single category. The guy is more monkey than the rest of us.", "I read Alex's book a few years back, I watched alot of his stuff, and it cemented into me he was clearly one of the best, Possibly even number 1. For him to out right say, This guy is better. Wow.", "The only thing crazier than him pulling off such an impossible feat is watching him flop around in his harness after he pulled it off! HOW IN THE HECK ARE YOU GONNA FLOP LIKE A FISH FROM THAT HIGH UP!?!", "The emotional release at the end.", "Certainly not speed climbing (although who cares lol…). Debatable on comp boulders. 100% best on hard sport routes.", "Oh yeah that's true. I guess saying \"every category\" was a misrepresentation. The dude is a beast though.", "Speed climbing is like a totally different sport. Most regular climbing is slow and deliberate whereas speed climbing is all muscle memory and purely anaerobic. It's like running a 5k race vs running a 100m sprint.", "Personally I think speed climbing is pretty dumb and that it was a horrible idea for it to be in the Olympics, but more power to the men and women that enjoy it. I was just saying it is a category of climbing, and Ondra is not great at it.", "I planned to skim through that video, but ended up watching it all. I really liked the format. Great share!", "I've fallen twice trying to get in a bunk bed.", "To be clear and share a tiny bit of climbing lingo: \n\n- Flashing (finishing a route in your first try) allows having information about how it can or 'should be' done before hand. This type of information is usually referred to as 'beta'.\n- This is different from climbing on-sight: which is finishing a route on your first try without beta so without knowing what you can/should do.", "thank you! beta makes a hell of lot of difference.", "Better than the free solo guy?", "May as well have just gotten out of the shower with how wet my hands and feet are", "It's weird how anything from this to several sports to checkers to [Mario Kart](https://youtu.be/D6cpa-TvKn8) can have a single person that just has superpowers over everyone else at it.", "I don't know much about climbing but it seems ridiculous to call the category speed climbing when its always on the same seemingly arbitrarily chosen track.", "Thanks. Was confused when the video said he watched someone else and tried to memorize the moves for a different flash attempt. That seems counter to the title of “zero prep or experience.” Didn’t realize having some prep could still count as flashing.", "Not better at free soloing (no ropes) than Alex but arguably a better climber. He'd have to break those records first.", "Yeah since Alex Honnold appears in the video and says \"Adam is the best climber in the world... by far...\"", "How cold is it there? Adam with just shorts on and his belayer is bundle up in winter gear?", "Haha right? But it doesn't matter, the strain it takes from your body falling is way beyond anything you can create at the end of your rope by bouncing.", "Alex Honnold (the “Free Solo” climber) calls him “the best climber in the world…by far” in the video.", "0:27 in, you mean him?", "Definitely has preparation.", "They are two different climbers IMO. Alex free climbs which takes way bigger balls and to think he would even free climb with no practice is stupid. Obviously this guy is better at climbing with very little knowledge of the route he’s climbing. It’s clear he has some knowledge from watching videos or other climbers do it but he will only attempt the climb once.", "Yea he appears to have minimal prep but he does not actually climb a route more than once so still impressive. Alex has bigger balls though lol", "I always thought climbing looked like a fun sport, but you don't see many fat people doing it. I mean, I guess I should be able to do a pull-up first.", "Alex is the most bold climber, but even he will tell you that he’s not even a top 50 as far as the sport goes. I think Alex has completed a couple of 9A routes at best, and he’s honest about it, he is simply past his prime.", "Every gram matters when hanging by a finger tip.", "No shit lol. Just wondering how cold it was", "Honestly, while it's useful to have upper body strength, it's not necessary for beginners. For example, plenty of women (and men!) climb who cannot do pullups. Instead, they learn better technique, which involves using your legs as much as possible. \n\nClimbing at this level in this video is like driving a Formula 1 Car, it takes years and years of practice at easier levels before you're in any way ready.", "The first time I climbed a wall, the instructor told me to let go when I got to the top and I nearly pissed my pants at the thought. I was like 30 feet up. I can't imagine dangling at the top of a mountain.", "Go for it if you think you might like it. I see bigger people climb too, some I'd never guess that they climb pretty hard routes even.\nIt's fun at every level.", "Yes, Alex Honold has said so himself. What Alex does is more dangerous and thus harder on a psychological level but what Adam does is more technically difficult. Adam has conquered routes nobody else has.", "Just because Alex Honnold says that guy is better doesn't necessarily mean that is the case.", "Are man made holds allowed? Seems like there was a tube in the rock on a couple of the holds", "It is the case. Honnold is a great climber but he's really famous for doing absurdly dangerous stuff versus technically challenging stuff. Ondra is pretty universally regarded as the best in the sport in the sense that he has climbed many of the hardest routes ever and holds the title of the only person ever to have completed some boulders", "Probably so. I just saw a dozen people telling that guy \"Alex Honnold said so\" as if he had the final opinion on climbing.", "Very.", "Fuck off lol", "Man made holds are not allowed - however over time certain holds can acquire a polished look if many climbers touch it", "In addition to the other points that people said, when you first begin climbing many of the beginner routes rely mostly on your foot placement. You'll have places to stand and your arms are basically there to let you step up higher without falling away from the wall - ie, you're not hanging most of your bodyweight by your fingertips", "I'm pumped just watching this. Gotta get back to the crag.", "These days it seems like top climbers have the specialty in which they excel. Like Adam threw his hat in the ring with the IFSC and speed climbers I think it’s fair to see how the others would faire on that silence route in Norway. In the lead up to the 2020 olympics Adam released a series of YouTube videos where he really tried to adapt his static style to the dynamic comp style. As you point out, while he might have made strides, it wasn’t enough to beat the best in those disciplines.", "The person asked \"Better than the free solo guy?\" Free Solo was the doc on Alex Honnold climbing El Cap; \"the free solo guy\" is Alex. The responses mentioned Alex and how he said Adam was the best because the initial question directly referenced Alex.", "The free solo guys greatest skill is his ability to not be scared without ropes. But the routes he does Free Solo he practices many times and there aren’t any spots on the routes that are like what Adam Ondra is climbing in this video.", "I know thanks.", "Visualisation!", "> It is the case. Honnold is a great climber but he's really famous for doing absurdly dangerous stuff versus technically challenging stuff.\n\nHonnold is also one of, if not the best in the world at climbing endurance (separate from mountaineering). He's a co-owner of the speed record on El Cap and pulled off the Fitz traverse, among other climbing endurance feats. There are a lot of disciplines within climbing, and he's quite good at a few though it was his free soloing that made him world famous.", "It's just unbelievable.. Amazing performance by Adam!", "Adam Ondra isn't just better at flashing, he's better with prep as well. See Adam completing the hardest route which has ever been completed, where he had many failures and immense amount of prep work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRTNHDd0gL8\n\nI think they are both the best in what the do, Alex is the best at pushing climbing to the edge of what is safe, while Adam is the best at pushing climbing to the absolute limit. I don't think Adam would ever free solo on any route of difficulty as he is a risk positive climber.", "Track and field is on the same track though. I think speed climbing makes sense because it is standardized so they can have world and Olympic records and such. It's sort of fun to watch but I love watching bouldering and sport climbing much more.", "I've seen multiple times to that Alex will talk about routes others are doing and he will say he's never tried X level. He's a great climber to be sure but even he will admit levels that he doesn't do.", "Fair point, I painted it a little like he wasn’t incredibly good at technical climbing which he absolutely is!", "Not sure why you're downvoted, you're exactly right. Plenty of people can be humble and downplay their accomplishments. In this case it seems like Honnold is in fact not the goat, but just because he says someone else is doesn't automatically mean he's right.", "Yea I guess maybe in order to climb tall ass mountains climbers have to really trust their equipment, so over time it becomes second nature to them. That and they've probably fallen several times before and gotten somewhat used to it", "11:30 is wild, dude just naturally pivots himself 180 degrees around upside down in order to get a better angle. Meanwhile I get dizzy if I get up from the couch too fast", "Gotta make up for the weight displaced by his giant balls.", "Since nobody else answered looks like it was in Saint-Léger, France in February 2018, average temp for that city in February is 45 F degrees high 29 F degrees low (7 C high / -2 C low). So probably not pleasant but warm enough to power through a relatively short climb", "To be fair that doesn't really address the question though. I've seen plenty of people be humble and downplay their achievements while others might say they're the best. In this particular case I think it's clearly Ondra but the mere fact Honnold says Ondra is the best doesn't automatically mean that's the consensus truth", "It was interesting how Adam's speed climbing placing helped him more than his bouldering placing due to the way the scoring worked out. I'm still hoping he competes next Olympics when speed is taken out.", "I climb quite frequently (3 times a week) and do strictly indoor bouldering, which is the shorter routes without ropes and massively thick padding to fall on. I'll tell you now that, no, i don't see many bigger people doing it, but it's great seeing them get on the wall and just try and having a great time doing it. Once in a while i'll see a big dude fucking kill it and send the real hard shit. The climbing community is amazingly open and welcoming and i can almost guarantee you that if you ask for some advice at the gym from anyone, they'd gladly help you.", "What you said is totally fair, and I do agree, but the question wasn't \"who's the best climber\", it was \"\\[is Adam Ondra\\] better than \\[Alex Honnold\\]\" and, in the video, Alex said that he thinks Adam is a better climber than he is. To be fair, at the top level everyone is better than someone else at something (barring the Greats who were/are just a cut above). I just think that a good answer to \"is he better than the Free Solo guy\" is \"Alex said 'Adam is the best climber in the world, by far' so, probably, yeah.\"", "Think about competitions and the like\n\nI guess those are cases where you wouldn’t even get to hear what the area looks or let alone smells like", "With climbers, they prefer to climb in colder weather cause there's more friction. When it's warm, it's humid and it makes things slipperier.", "Red bull and every other list I could find us him at number 1. What are you talking about?\n\nhttps://www.redbull.com/us-en/best-climbers-in-the-world", "He has climbed the hardest routes. I’m not going just by Olympic performance.", "Why do you think it is dumb? And why is it a horrible idea to be in the Olympics. I think it is a great feat of athleticism, speed, agility, and coordination and it is the perfect event to be in the Olympics as it is the same course, as always, for everyone.", "https://www.climbing.com/people/climbing-for-every-body/", "Because 99.9% of rock climbers do not speed climb, so why would you make it combined medal with bouldering and lead? Makes absolutely no sense.", "Those are maybe bolts or quick draws. The climbers can't grab them with their hands or feet, but clip their rope to it as they climb up.", "Oh you meant as it stands as a combined medal. I just don't think speed climbing is dumb and it should definitely be its own event in the Olympics.", "Yeah, I wouldn't say that watching videos or asking other people how to do moves as you watch them attempt the same run is without preparation but of course, still incredibly impressive.", "As a non-climber, what do 5.15 and 9a+ mean?", "Bad news.\n\n\nHe lives.", "OP saying \"without preperation or experience\" obviously didn't actually watch the whole video lol. He spends a ton of time studying the climb, talking to the climbers, and watching them work. He's definitely not going in blind.", "Can they climb limbless pine trees? It's weird seeing infinite videos of climbing impossible rock faces but not one video of someone climbing up the side of a sequoia.", "Nonsense. He’s the only climber to have red pointed 9c, only a handful of others have red pointed 9b+ and it was Ondra who paved the way and pushed the boundaries. Only one other person has on sighted 9a, and Ondra has still on sighted more 8c+ routes than anyone else. On real rock, there are no other equally good climbers, not even Ghisolfi or Megos. Granted, he isn’t unbeatable in competition climbing, but this is a little different to climbing real rock, and he is still one of the best.", "If you can walk up stairs then you can climb. Not even kidding. You use your legs to push and arms to balance. Even if you aren't climbing at the level of Adam Ondra, it's can still be a lot of fun. If you want to start, check for places to go bouldering near you. There are lots of guides online for how to get started.", "I don’t know which boulders you’re referring to, but how many of his hard sport ascents have been downgraded? How many People have climbed as many routes at 9a and above like he has? How many of the competition climbers competing at the same level as him have on sighted as many 8c+ routes as him? \n\nYou also seem to be suggesting that he inflated his grades somewhat, even though he’s notoriously strict. While trying to get the first 9a onsight, he on sighted two routes in Red River Gorge, Pure Imagination and Golden Ticket. They were both graded 9a at the time, but he downgraded them instead of taking the tick.\n\nAs for competition climbing being the only objective measure of skill, come on. Whether or not someone can climb a given route outside, or consistently climb a given grade outside, is just as objective. Also, competition climbing isn’t the same as red pointing, and indoor climbing is a different style to climbing real rock. Even putting Silence to one side, there are only six other people to have climbed 9b+, only two of them have done it more than once, and neither of them have climbed as many 9a+ or 9b routes has he has, nor on sighted as many 8c+ routes as he has.", "Exactly. Forcing Adam to climb speed in the Olympics would be like making Matt Hoffman compete in Track Cycling.", "Probably be more impressed if he weren't just going from carabiner to carabiner. Seems like someone else made the route for him already.", "That said, a lot of the boulder and lead pros were able to shift into speed with a lot more ease than Ondra. It reeally doesn't suit him.", "lol", "You can't judge the best in the world at a sport on the basis of a single competition. Especially when A) such competitions are only a small part of the sport as a whole, and B) it is a sport that revolves has such a high degree of variability. \n\nOndra has climbed the hardest route in the world. Few others have even tried it because the top climbers know they wouldn't be able to do it. He has also climbed lots of 9b & 9b+ routes, and has the hardest flash in the world. He has climbed 8C+ boulders (the second hardest boulder grade climbed), flashed 8B+ which is the joint hardest boulder flash. And he climbed the dawn wall, arguably the hardest bigwall in the world, in a very short period of time and in better style than the first ascentionists. On top of this, his competition record (wold cups, world championships) is amazing. \n\nIn individual disciplines there are people who are as good or even better than Ondra. There are better boulderers, better competition climbers, and definitely far better speed climbers (not to mention styles like mixed/ice climbing, freesoloing & sketchy trad, and alpinism, none of which he does). But so far nobody is really close to Ondra in climbing ability across different styles.", "Adam also free climbs. You’re thinking of free soloing", "https://www.instagram.com/drewclimbswalls/", "lol, do you really not believe that the routes known as being the hardest are truly the most difficult climbed so far? There's a reason that so many of his routes haven't been able to be repeated.", "The difficulty of the route, in the Yosemite Decimal System (YDS) and the French system respectively. \n\nI'm guessing only about 100-200 people have climbed at the 5.15a level or above, out of hundreds of thousands of climbers. Ondra is the only one in the world to have climbed a proposed 5.15d that hasn't yet been downgraded.", "When me and my friend first started lead climbing, we tried practicing falling. Until then we were only top rope climbing where if you fall, you're only falling a couple of feet at most because you're constantly suspended from the top so after a while you get over the fear of falling because you know at best you just hang in the spot you've let go off the wall and at worse you only drop a couple of feet which you get used to pretty quickly. In lead climbing however when you fall, you fall a much longer distance as the rope is almost always below you. So when I let go off the wall when lead climbing, it was one of the scariest experience as for a good couple of seconds you're in free fall until the rope takes the slack and holds you in place. It takes a good amount of getting used to before it stops freaking you out!", "I mean, yeah, I get that.\n\nI meant more specifically like how they are rated.", "Subjectively, mostly. Once you've climbed enough 5.10a routes you'll know when a route is a step above that difficulty. Ondra had done 3 established 5.15c routes before sending Silence and claiming that it was 5.15d. It's still a proposed grade and anyone strong enough can go, climb it and either back him up or propose a downgrade.\n\nGrades also work on consensus, people will propose grades and upgrade or downgrade until the route converges to a specific grade. The issue is people have styles and some routes will be easier for them than for others due to their particular body shape and strengths. So a 5.12a might be easy for you but difficult for me.", "I always say to beginners climb with your legs, not with your arms. If you go at the wall trying to pull yourself up every hold, your arms will be jelly in no time. You've got to climb with your legs and instead of pulling yourself up with your arms, you're pushing yourself up with your legs, your arms are then only holding you in place so you're not falling off the wall. So I tell them to move their legs first and arms second.\n\nNow when you start getting better and start doing more technical, difficult climbs then you start relying on your arm strength and core strength a lot more. Especially when you start going up inclines, you need good arm and core strength to keep holding onto the wall and good grip strength to hold onto those shitty little/round handholds that you find in the higher grades.", "So there isn't necessarily a top end? If they just keep finding harder routes the numbers just go up?\n\nAnd how does the number go up? I mean there's the 5 bit, the 15, the letter, etc...\n\nIt seems like a weird system.", "1-4 goes from hiking trails to scrambling to maybe some low angle climbing. For class 5 you're usually roped up as falling tends to be fatal. 5.1-5.9 only have the decimals. At 5.10 you start adding letters, so 5.10a, 5.10b, 5.10c, 5.10d and then you move on to the 5.11's, and so on. \n\nIt is a weird system.\n\nThere isn't necessarily a top end but it does keep getting more and more difficult to break new frontiers. Kinda like how shaving off one second from a 15 second 100-meter-dash is pretty doable. Shaving off 1/10th of a second from a 10 second 100-meter-dash would be incredibly difficult.", "Ah okay, that makes it a bit more clear.", "The issue with the comparison is that running is all about straight or slightly curved paths. That's it. The whole point is speed. A huge part of climbing is the variety of routes, holds, technique and your approach to the specific problem at hand, etc. When you remove all of that it just feels super hollow and boring because the heart of the sport is gone.", "Honnold has famously on sight free solo’d many times before. But only on well established routes that he has no chance of falling off.", "I couldn’t do a pull up before I started climbing. Doing a pull up is hard. Don’t let that or anything else stop you. If you want to try it, go try it!\n\nhttps://www.instagram.com/reel/CXBhEn5DHft/?utm_medium=copy_link", "The amount of prep Adam does for a hard flash is off the charts. In fact, prep is essentially implied for a flash attempt. For a true zero-prep, know nothing about the climb attempt, that would be designated an onsight, not flash.", "Lol what? Is this your first time seeing sport climbing? \n\nFirst of all, they’re quick draws, not biners. And the climber repels from the top and puts those there, so he has something to run the rope through, so he doesn’t die. They don’t hold his weight until he completes the climbs. Maybe learn before you judge.", "Adam Ondra is one of the most successful and decorated competition climbers ever. He’s sent harder routes than anyone else in the world. He’s put up dozens if not hundreds of second ascents in days or hours or flashes that other top climbers took days or months or years. There is no one in the world on his level. And no pro climber has ever said otherwise.\n\nETA The olympics this year is by far the worst measure of climbing success we’ve ever had. There will never be a competition that repeats its format. Next olympics has already announced it will not repeat the same system. It was/is universally panned. And Ondra still came within 3 moves on the lead wall from taking gold.", "You are being absurd. Yes, according to him (because the difficulty of every climb is set by the person who did the FA), but also according to most elite climbers.", "I agree with that. It's still fun to watch how fast they can throw themselves up the wall but it's not really climbing technique because of the auto belay. I absolutely love watching bouldering. The moves are beautiful and the challenges are insane.", "\"Zero preparation or experience?\"", "What do you mean zero preparation or experience?! He's in the triple digits of 5.14 routes and V10+ boulders. This is all experience and preparation on several types of rock, every angle imaginable, multiple styles of climbing all coming together to produce a first try climb. His flashes indicate nothing BUT preparation and experience.", "Huh, you look almost exactly my size. I guess I should give it a shot.", "Rooting for you! \n\nNo one ever accomplished something new by staying home and being not brave. Go get it :)", "It specifically spells out the route. Which by the way I read the whole \"zero preparation or experience\" thing kind of makes this, well, pretty underwhelming. Somebody else took the time for the \"preparation and experience\" part. \n\nLol, there. and no.", "Oh, well the title is super wrong. It was with extraordinary preparation. But he’s the first and only person to ever do this. And no one else has come close. So good for you for not finding a unique accomplishment in this history of humans impressive.", "There are other climbing grade systems that are a little easier to understand. Australian grades go from 10 to 38 (currently) and just add 1 for each bump in difficulty.\n\nThey're all open-ended and subjective though.", "Sport climbing routes are established beforehand by using a power drill to place expansion (or glue-in, depending on a lot of environmental factors) bolts into the rock. And they aren't just placed arbitrarily on the cliff-- lots of work goes into the line up the cliff, the placement of the anchors, etc. There is a lot to consider.\n\nWhen it's time to climb the route you will often pre-place the carabiners (more accurately, they're called \"quickdraws\" in this configuration with a carabineer on each end of a nylon sling) or in some cases they're left in-situ at the cliff for everyone to use.\n\nFor more moderate routes you can bring the quickdraws up with you and clip them to the bolts as you go, but for very hard climbs (or any climb at your personal limit) it's perfectly acceptable to have them pre-placed.", "Jesus christ. You actually took the time to write all that out but completely ignored the the whole thing about it being quite underwhelming. \n\n \n\n>Somebody else took the time for the \"preparation and experience\" part.", "Fucking hell that word salad you just wrote is worse than the title.", "check out recent posts in /r/bouldering, there's actually a few videos of fat people climbing and they are doing great!" ]	115	videos	Adam Ondra is the world's greatest "Flash" climber, climbing some of the hardest routes in the world on his first try, with zero preparation or experience ...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=0Cc8wa5QNBc&feature=share	/r/videos/comments/r8viwh/man_remains_calm_while_trapped_in_flooded_vehicle/	[ "His buddy shows up at https://youtu.be/0Cc8wa5QNBc?t=1053", "City living is the best, I would t have it any other way. But I rest easy knowing I’m friends with a lot of rednecks that wouldn’t think twice about coming to rescue me when all goes to shit.", "I was thinking the same thing, the benefit of growing up in both worlds.", "Of course that man had a banjo in the trailer", "I only wish I could be this calm in a scenario similar to this. Guy has life figured out.", "But if you skip that far, you miss his rousing rendition of Amazing Grace.", "Don't be an idiot and drive into flooded roads.", "When his friend in the massive tractor showed up, in his rough country voice:\n\n\"Ain't it great to have friends in high places!\"\n\nAny aspiring politicians, this joke is a winner.", "Holy moly!", "Flash floods can catch you by surprise", "Seems like the fire department needs a tractor.", "Can we please talk about that punctuation in the video title though,?", "Both of these statements are true.", "Watched the whole thing, totally worth it. This man has ice running through his veins I mean HOLY SHIT", "Honestly just watching him handle this situation had me on the edge of my seat lol", "Not exactly a calm man, just one managing his many emotions. What a kickass story that was, from initial fear to rescue!", "They didn't even thank the guy for his help", "Can you please shut the fuck up?", "Where else would you like punctuation ? Maybe a semicolon where they have the comma", "I feel if you cut the first 1:30 with his buddy showing up around 18:00 it's some r/humansbeingbros material. What a solid buddy!", "That's the best tractor advertisement I've ever seen", "I thought reddit hates rednecks?", "Really only if they act like pieces of shit.", "Yes they did. After the guy who was rescued calls his buddy a hero. The fireman agrees and thanks him.", "And if you're going to be flooded keep your window open, you mention know when electrics will fail", "Isnt that technically being calm? .\\_.", "Not in this case. If you watch the video, the guy says he saw someone else get through the water, so he tried and got stuck. So he caused this issue himself", "What vehicle still has “wing windows” in front regular door window?", ">I thought reddit hates rednecks?\n\nI mean, speaking for myself, I don't hate them. \n\nI can dislike a person's views, I can hate a person's views if I consider them harmful to myself, family, friends, or society as a whole. \n\nBut very rarely will I hate the person. I may feel hatred towards them in a moment of disagreement, or argument (especially if it's happening online, one of the biggest issues of social media). \n\nI think at the end of the day though, more people than not are good natured.", "\"Alright lord, you can let it light up now\"", "I doubt most of the people on reddit who hate rednecks have ever interacted with a redneck for more than 5 minutes in their lives.", "I definitely would have got out of the car when the water started rising. What's the right thing to do?", "He did mention at one point that if the water got too high, he planned to climb on the roof. I think keeping your windows open if there's no immediate exit is a good start.", "It's a Dodge truck. the 1st gen style.", "So there has probably been people who have got out prematurely, slipped and fell in the water... drowned... and their vehicle never flooded past the seats. Also risk of stuff falling on you while you're on the roof.", "What we need to know is whether the banjo survived.", "I was also thinking I'd keep the windows open a crack just in case I had trouble opening them when the water comes up. My fear would be being stuck inside the car as it's submerged.", "If only more people would think like that, world might be a lot better place.", "salt of the earth, they just get it done and pull together. no muss or fuss", "It worked!", "Thank you.", "All I can say is god bless", "Yea but dont tell reddit that because they cant do no wrong.", "The entire video is totally worth the watch though", "Thanks. I thought he time travelled.", "Plus downed electrical wires that can just zap you in the water.", "I dont think I'll ever be more happy to see a tractor than in that scenario.\n\nI think it's probably best to roll down the windows and stay in the car as long as possible. You are more liable to drown by getting swept away than in the car I would think. I think the car would start to float and move before it got over your head. Heading to the roof would be a last resort", "For those who spend their days seeing nothing but passenger cars, it's really, really satisfying to see a serious machine show up and get shit done. A torque-laden diesel industrial beast. Flooded roads are a great example of this.", "And throughout most of it all he was thinking about was his honey baby.\nI imagine them reunite afterwards, arms flung around him while he chuckles at her because we \"don't need all them dramatics\"\n\nWhat a top bloke.", "Why spoil a unlifting post with this crap?", "Videos like this remind me why I like living out in the country haha, it seems like every 1000 ft. there's a big ass tractor like this and they are some serious machines\n\nAlso, it's cool to see most of the machines from farming simulator in real life all the time 😂", "I agree!", "Where do I buy a floating car?", "It's actually not very common to be electrocuted during a flood even though there's lots of electrical current that would normally kill you in the water. When you get electrocuted all of the electrons are flowing through your body, you basically get a highly concentrated dose of electricity. But in a flood the electrons are spread out amongst millions of gallons of water so you're highly unlikely to get shocked. There's a little more to it than that but that's the basic gist of it.", "He doesn't really understand how much danger he's in, afterall he most likely drove into that water.", "Yeah when he started grunting around 13:00, this is a man who has assumed everything works out", "Reddit is full of american white liberals who are shit people who hate poor white people because they don't tend to be liberal.", "Absolutely. They are also way more expensive than most people would think. Like you said, they are serious equipment.", "Tractors are so badass.", "Definitely. It's a slow burn but the build up and suspense is what makes the rescue so satisfying to see!", "He says he drove into it after he saw another truck make it. I think he realizes the danger. He makes several references to the fact he might not make it out and even tells his wife(?) that he loves her. But like he said, what could he do in that situation now that he's in it. Nothing in his power right now to save himself. Panicking certainly isn't it", "Same tractors burns down 2 weeks later: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynGwFhaU2wU\n\nno good deed goes unpunished", "Idk why this is downvoted. If you get into high water that's usually the first thing you're told to do. Window down or you're going to be busting it if/when the water ruins the electronics. It's hard to do but doable. You want something with a small contact point so all the energy hits the window in one spot. If you don't have a tool specifically for it, you can take the headrest off your seat and use the two prongs that it connects with to hit the window in a corner. Unlock doors immediately too. Seatbelt off because you don't want to have to be fiddling with that if you need to exit now. This is why a seatbelt cutter is also not a bad investment.", "Well it either survived as a banjo, or as piece of art to hang on the wall with a story to go with it", "When he's talking about how he's going to have to buy her a new computer, all I could think is I guarantee the computer is the least of her worries in this moment lol", "Watch a brave man look death in the face.", "The dude driving in front made it through. When he ponders whether he needs to call his honeyboo to them he loves them but opts not to as he doesn't want to worry them is the point where you can see he realizes he might die.", "That grunting to me was like a caged dog who knows he is in trouble. It's what brave men do when they are scared shitless.", "True, if it was me i would be planning on making a swim but waiting until the last possibly moment", "A foot of water at speed can take out your footing. Add in debris and you're risking a lot by going in the water. If this is recent it's November and that means hypothermia as you wait to be rescued assuming you make it out of the water.\n\nIt's all a gamble, but I'd stand on the roof of a vehicle before I voluntarily go in rushing water, let alone flood water in late fall.", "Boat store.", "That’s R.peek, he has some of the best banjo content on YouTube.", "This is literally what every single black truck with flood lights and monster truck suspension has been waiting for their entire lives. All those 'small pp' jokes- right out the window. lmao", "Different tractor. Rescue vid is 6210R. The one on fire is 7410.", "That's Wesley.. https://youtube.com/c/onelonleyfarmer", "Hey there, bud, you realise \"reddit\" is a collective of a vast number of people from all circumstances and assuming it's a monolith is wildly inaccurate, right? As a small town boy through and through this sort of talk that \"the internet\" is just one damn thing is wild to me. I just think it's just some bullshit helping you get mad at nothing. Lots of folks are trying to do that these days; anything to make getting mad make more sense to em. Y'all have to chill out. No true rednecks I know are like that. Lot of the rich folk who think they're rednecks, sure. But the true blue genuine rednecks know that real shit is real shit and not much else is too important. Think you could learn a thing or two from em.", "I'd sure agree if this was a truck. Man's in a truck and got saved by a real ol' tractor. Truck ain't got nothing on a tractor - those fuckers can giv'er like none of these lifted yuppie trucks can.", "I think the usual advice is to dip out right away, but don't quote me on that. I know they usually recommend you try and swim away not get on top of your car, as the car can get swept away or roll and you can fall, hurt yourself, get pinned etc. The way to swim out of it is similiar to getting out of a riptide. Don't swim against it. Let it take you where it wants, keep your feet downstream so if you slam into something you arent doing it head first, and slowly move yourself toward an edge or somewhere where you can get ahold of something. \nI really hope I'm never in a situation like this, but I do appreciate videos like this where everyone ends up ok, and it reminds me to do some mental fire drills on what I'd do lol", "What folks have been saying here is you should fully open the windows: if the water fries the electronics, it's best have them windows open already.\n\nAlso, so say the Mythbusters, if you do get fucked and can't open the doors, wait until the water is at the roof of the vehicle (easier said than done, obviously). That equalises the pressure and, instead of fighting that huge amount of water to open the door, you can just open it normally. Still have to deal with the crazy water speed that comes with a flood, obviously, but at least you're not drowning in your vehicle!", "I think a very important thing is doing drive across flooded rivers Unless you are absolutely sure its just a puddle. \nIt does not take much water to move a car or float it.", "Yes! I'm in southwestern US, so I've already had it drilled into me that it's super hard to gauge water depth and arroyos can fill up quick! If there's any doubt, 100% not worth the risk.", "Perspective is interesting. When I got into that game, I was like, 'No way, I can recreate our actual farm with all the real equipment, that's pretty cool!\"", "He looks so much like the Angry Grandpa!", "I knew I recognized him from somewhere!", "I’m sure it depends on how close you are to the wire but yeah that’s true", "\"We'll figure it out.\" Great attitude. Stay calm.", "farmers are good people", "You can tell by the way that he drives the tractor into the water that he is secretly terrified that his friend is in trouble. It’s all jokes when he’s able to asses the situation", "Rednecks are great people, and I am thankful for growing up with them before moving to the city. It’s the neo-confederates and Klan you gotta watch out for.", "He’s a redditor", "Seriously. I am not a farmer and live in the city but watching this I was like…I should buy a tractor. Haha", "Farmers/country folk are made of different stuff. I don’t come from a farming family but grew up in a rural areas so I know plenty of them. I had a great uncle who got his shoelace caught in the PTO (power take off, the spinning shaft behind the tractor that hooks into your equipment to power it). According to the story it ripped his leg clean off at the knee, they gave him a tourniquet, threw him in the back of the pickup and sped him to the hospital, handed him over to the doctors to clean up the amputation and make sure he didn’t die, and had his wife and mom came to sit in the hospital with him because the men had to get back out and finish harvesting for the day.", "Exactly. His demeanor is not one of someone who is oblivious to the trouble they’re in. It’s someone who is scared shitless but has developed nerves of steel and is smart enough to know that losing his cool and panicking would only make his situation worse. I’d guess this guy has been around the block and what was going through his mind was “there’s a good chance I’m gon die right now, but sure would be nice if the lord decided otherwise.”", "That’s if it stayed in the truck and didn’t get swept out. That current was strong enough that a banjo would be like dropping a twig into a rushing stream. Tracking it down would be an endeavor.", "Ah I see. He said he had a trailer though, right? I assumed that's where the banjo was and it was a closed trailer not a flatbed. Could be wrong though! I always wonder about all the random flotsam and jetsam that gets picked up and \"dropped\" somewhere during floods like this", "Ah, idk. Admittedly I hopped through the video a couple times given I didn’t have time to watch the whole thing. Not sure where the banjo was. Hopefully still in his possession in whatever state it’s in.", "Agreed!", "I agree for sure. We have tons of tractors where Im from. Im in VA. I was just talking about trucks in general not pitting them against tractors. Ive seen what those things can do.", "especially if the water is murky, you might know there is a road there but if part of the road has been washed out your car will turn into a new boat.", "I am from Wisconsin. Farmers work their asses off. But if they find their own community needs help and they have the equipment to help others, they will drop everything to help. Its reasuring to have redneck farmers.", "Yes they are. But unfortunately reddit paints them all with the same brush.", "A flash flood isn't like a literal flash unless a dam broke or something. Ive never seen a situation like that that wasn't caused by someone driving into 3 feet deep water.", "I think it's more about a firm belief in the afterlife." ]	108	videos	Man remains calm while trapped in flooded vehicle, gets saved by Farmer friend in large tractor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vegl1Ar6M6Y	/r/videos/comments/r8w18b/announcing_mandatory_fitness_passports/	[ "D-bags .", "Ikr I can't believe anyone would advocate for medical passports myself.", "Can you catch being fat from other people like you can catch covid? No? Then these idiots totally missed the mark.", "Q-Anon kook. Stay away", "Probably because you’re a dangerous mix of ignorant, selfish, and propagandized. \n\nThat’s ok though, there isn’t enough of you loud morons to matter anymore, vote wise. Whine and complain more though, it’s fun for the rest of us.", "Obesity, like other states of malunutrition, is known to impair the immune function. Making obese, and other malnourished people, a greater health risk to the public than fit people as they are more likely to catch contagions and therefore more likely to spread them.", "You’re trying too hard and it’s pathetic. You aren’t smart enough to even come close to pulling off the pedantic smarmy point you are trying too. Fun for normal people though." ]	7	videos	Announcing Mandatory Fitness Passports

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