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https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ra902s/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/ra902s/deleted_by_user/	[ "[It's because of white supremacists](https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/1466565919023403012).\n\nEdit: Not sure if I'm being downvoted because of sarcasm, or lack of sarcasm.", "When the trailer came out its youtube section and just about every reddit thread was brigaded by actual holocaust denyers. The show looks like shit but its literally true it pissed off thousands of white supremacists.", "Is saying a bunch of Jews, Silverman and Rogen who have made pretty incendiary comments about christians shouldn't be involved in a christmas show anti-semitism?\n\nJust asking", "[Adding some more context from this /r/OutOfTheLoop thread.](https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/r563y3/whats_the_deal_with_people_posting_hate_comments/)", "Not necessarily, but if that was how people felt then why would they bring up them beings jews at all? Why wouldn't they just say silverman and rogen had said bad things about christians?", "Are you a bot? Why do you spam this shit no one wants to see, non stop?", "She really thinks Jewish women are underrepresented in media? What a fucking joke", "Whatever makes reactionaries mad, I'm all for.", "Your use of the word seen is the text equivalent of nails on a chalk board.", "I mean it's just kind of lame, we get it, hollywood jews hate christians. Would love to see Rogen and Silverman do a biopic cartoon about Muhammed.", "Unsurprising that this thread attracts people who find AAVE triggering.", "> laugh at deranged wokeists\n\nMan, just get a hobby instead just hating shit like it affects you at all.", "Seth Rogens twitter has been hilarious. Lunatic.", "I'm glad that's all that is triggering. My apologies about the grammer. \n\nI am extremely doubtful OP can back their claims as they have proven to make past unfounded claims through the use of intentional disinformation. I want OP to prove me wrong :/", "I've found that the most obvious sarcasm will be taken seriously. It kinda ruins a sarcastic take to put \"/s\" at the end but you have to.\n\nIf you're unfamiliar check out the concept of Poe's Law.", "Scarlet Johansson is Jewish, Natalie Portman is too.\n\nPut them together, what a fine lookin' Jew.", "Totally worth it.", "You sound like a whiny little \"victim.\"\n\n> I was nearly stabbed by a mig_rant just last weekend. They just stabbed a man in the chest after robbing a taxi and robbing a bunch of teenagers just near my local supermarket.\n\nFirst off, your self-censoring is hilarious. It makes me think that if you don't censor, the \"woke\" will get you. Some decent paranoia. You were nearly stabbed because a crime happened near you. OK.\n\n> Almost daily I have to sit in the public transport with africans literally shouting into their phones with no regard to other passengers.\n\nTHE HORROR.\n\n> Also Saint Nicholas was an actual person.\n\nWho has little to do with the modern day Santa Claus (who is a mythical figure). \n\nImmigration is how anyone got anywhere initially. I don't know where you think civilization started, but it wasn't in Sweden. There are good immigrants and bad immigrants. There are also good and bad natives, but it sounds like you might be a racist, who will key in on the bad. \n\nBut wait, this is all because of a Santa Claus movie that deals with representation and has nothing to do with immigration??", "Is it AAVE? Seems like just an American thing.\n\nNot surprised there's someone that assumes an off the cuff remark like that has racist connotations. Not being American I obviously meant it as an insult against black Americans and not as a silly joke about Americans in general.", "I'm just messing around. I agree :)", "Not exclusively, but using the same form for past participle and regular past tense of an irregular verb is a standard feature of AAVE nonetheless.", "Hell of a leap to assume I'm a racist off of that. But anyway.", "It's primarily a joke about the brigading, not you.", "I didn't see that there was brigading. My apologies mate.\n\nEdit: JFC you weren't kidding", "No but it's a moronic take. You don't own Christmas and most traditions you lot associate with Christmas you've nicked off of other people.\n\nAnyone else wondering, I had a peek at this dingbat's post history and it's what you'd expect.", "That sounds like a sad and tedious existence.", "jsyk you're arguing with a day old account", "You should move to Argentina if I were you. Seems like a good fit.", "How come most of the comments on twitter and FB are people in Camo with American flags all over.", "Nobody was wondering.", "I think you're probably over-blowing things, and I know that there is a rise in neo-Nazis and right wing extremists, which I consider more dangerous to be honest. \n\nDo horrible things happen? Yes. Is is from immigration? The answer is more complicated. There are certainly bad things that involve immigrants, but could involve natives as well. Domestic terrorism is largely spurred on by white supremist like yourself.", "> I'm not even white\n\nSorry, you sound like a white supremist - not sure how that works. I guess your hate just overcomes your empathy?\n\n> How do you know this, murican?\n\nhttps://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.MAGAZINE-how-sweden-became-a-thriving-base-of-neo-nazi-ideology-1.5629892\n\nBecause unlike the terror you've been speaking of, I've actually heard a lot more about this problem.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esBkTFtVgIM\n\nSuch hate is only going to slow down the integration of culture from immigration. Violence is not the natural state of immigrants. Most are looking to escape violence, which is why they are seeking a new home. A group like ISIS is counter to immigration, but you lump it together. Terrorists attack BECAUSE they want you to hate immigrants. They attack, you hate, and that is a great recruitment tool, \"They hate you.\" You eliminate hate, you usurp the power of terrorism.", "Haha", "No, people who spew hate like you are. Pretty simple.", "Pretty much done going back and forth with you. There is no purpose.", "lmao AMA", "1 in 10 women in Sweden have been raped. Sixty percent of the rapists were migrants.", ";)", "what happens in my society actually does effect me, thanks", "You should see what else they're overrepresented in.", "Try not being so anti-Semitic.", "what does anti-semitic mean?" ]	56	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsGzHGSx1lc	/r/videos/comments/ra9pbl/hidden_camera_footage_from_inside_an_australian/	[ "Camerawoman is a petulant moron. Staff are being eminently reasonable. \n\nWhile we’re at it, fuck OP for referring to these as internment camps", "This is phone footage of a Karen freaking out about wearing a mask.", "Lmao. Some whiny chick vs interment camps. What’s the word??? Oh snowflakes", "Childish smartarsery delivered like a backchatting 6 year old.\n\nLook I'm not touching it (while jabbing it with a broomhandle)", "Australia is just a big Prison anyway she's right where she's supposed to be.", "These are interment camps you fucking retards" ]	7	videos	Hidden camera footage from inside an Australian internment camp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwzZyG86aVk	/r/videos/comments/raa96j/that_last_whistle/	[ "That last one wasn't a bird call. In fact it wasn't even a bird. That was a dog... getting hit by a car.", "yes", "I believe it... I heard the wheels screech.", "I wonder how much they mess with the tv crews that do these types of shows. Mess with them to see how much I could get away with.", "I'm reminded of when Patrice O'Neal went off on gangland.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/zzBMBch2Aa0" ]	5	videos	That last whistle…..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7fXbdRH9v4	/r/videos/comments/raao2j/the_worlds_most_expensive_object_by_weight/	[ "Why does the most expensive object in the world by weight have to be non-fungible? If for example, the US decided to mint a single $1T note (they have talked about minting a [$1T coin](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trillion-dollar_coin)) then it would technically be fungible with 10bn $100 bills. Wouldn't it qualify then as the most expensive object in the world by weight?", "Did you watch the video? He literally brings up antimatter", "Holy fuck, did you literally just open the video and close it again?\n\nThe very first thing he says is \"It is a stamp.\"\n\nThen even slightly further they show that the text is the signature of the clerk and the image is of a sailing ship.", "He explains it in the video. But you can read the [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Guiana_1c_magenta) for more details.", "[British Guiana 1c magenta](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Guiana_1c_magenta) \n \n >The British Guiana 1c magenta is regarded by many philatelists as the world's most famous rare stamp. It was issued in limited numbers in British Guiana (now Guyana) in 1856, and only one specimen is now known to exist. It is the only major postage stamp ever issued that is not represented in Britain's Royal Philatelic Collection. It is imperforate, printed in black on magenta paper, and it features a sailing ship along with the colony's Latin motto \"Damus Petimus Que Vicissim\" (We give and expect in return) in the middle.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "He makes mention that for the qualification for this someone has to basically be able to buy or own the item or object, so some concept probably wouldn't to him for this.", "I don't think the ability to exchange something for another thing or things of equal value makes something fungible. I think the test for fungibility is whether you can tell it apart, which you could with a $1T coin. \n\nA $1T coin would qualify and even if they made two $1T coins, the first would probably have more value due to it being the first and would retain its title.", "cries in eth", "See also: xkcd what-if's [What would be the most expensive way to fill a size 11 shoebox?](https://what-if.xkcd.com/108/)", "Aren't digital objects almost completely weightless?", "I can't watch right now, but I thought it was Botox, which is made in tiny quantities and costs a lot.", "Why would that count", "More money laundering techniques for the rich enabled by the galleries.", "Because there are many digital objects which are significantly lighter and also significantly more valuable than this?", "digital is literally weightless, why would you include that when you are looking for the most expensive object by WEIGHT", ">digital is literally weightless\n\nNo it isn't: https://www.ellipsix.net/blog/2009/04/how-much-does-data-weigh.html", "But they are not objects. We just use the word object as a metaphor to describe them.", "This is why I yolo 50% of my money into NFTs. They're non-fungible. \n\n\nEdit: jesus reddit, this was a joke", "Alright, where can I hold on to any of these digital objects?", "Even if you ignore the storage medium (which, why would you), the data itself does have some mass. Even if that's on the electron scale, it has mass and therefore weight.", "> $13 million/shoebox (not yet an SI unit, sadly)\n\nAlways click the citations!", "Until the link to the website goes away and all you’re left with is a perfectly fungible 404 error.", "somewhat weightless but with some big assumptions you could calculate their weight. But the video is talking about physical objects as in 'not digital' so that's not in the comparison", "yepp, like the gentleman said. 'yolo'!", "I wonder how much it would cost to.. make a titanium Anti-matter coin.. Probably would not cost anything just yet because its impossible at the moment..", "Ok if that's possible why is anyone caring about this? I thought the blockchain thing was somehow beyond all of that and more timeless", "It's obviously Lexmark inkjet ink.", "I mean.... less assumptions than you or I are making", "Because a non fungible good will cost more than its base materials.", "Even if you could make a penny sized coin, if it ever left its confinement it would explode with an energy of more than 50kt which is about the same as two of the Fat Man bomb dropped on Nagasaki.", "Ha, yah I know! Crazy right? The containment costs alone would be insane!", "So that made me think about a fun video about the [Heirloom Seal of the Realm](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajbAs6brNcU) and wonder if they could compete with each other.\n\nIf the stamp is 8.3million and 40mg then it 207.5 hundred mil per gram\n\nIf the heirloom is pure jade then its pure Nephrite (the common jade in china) with a density of (according to google, like so much of this) 2.90-3.03g/cc (I'll use 3.00 to keep this simple).\n\nI can't find dimensions but one website says 6 inches in width which seem the right size for such a seal. Its got a design and isn't a perfect cube so lets say 6x6x4=144 cubic inches so 2360cc (2359.74).\n\n2360cc x 3g/cc = 7080g\n\n7080g x 207.5 hundred mil/g = $ 1,469,100,000,000\n\nIn the video the estimated cost could raise above this point.\n\nSo ASSUMING, the seal gets found, an honest bidding war between China and Taiwan begins and follows this videos estimation AND my estimations of its purity and size are roughly accurate (and I didn't mess up the calculations which I probably did). Then I think we may have the stamp beat.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n* edit i messed up the math so had to redo it", "Even better some hackers recently literally funged some tokens", "What is it made of, antimatter?", "I found a rock in my back yard. Literally the only rock exactly like it in the world. You can invest in it instead for only $35,000. It's non-fungible!", "Ain't nobody giving 15 cities or a trillion dollars for a symbolic carved rock. A few billion? Maybe. It would be a big PR win. 1½ times the US's entire annual defense budget? You're out of your mind.", "saffron? is it saffron?", "i have one", "In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you get the stamp.", "That stamp weighs 1/3 the weight of 1 average coffee bean? \n\n\nIf that's true, it's $3.7 trillion per pound. (1.49 trillion euros per kilogram)", "all nft's worth more by weight cause their cost to weight ratio is infinite.", "> So ASSUMING, the seal gets found,\n\nWhich will never happen. They don't even know when it was lost, with estimates between 700-1100 years ago. How would you even begin to prove the provenance of such an artifact? It's not like there are photographs or living experts on the seal.", "I wonder where the stamp would place? Surely a lot higher right? You would only need 241 of those stamps to break the $2 billion barrier, but then again, that might break the rules since only 1 of those stamps exist.", "Very cool", "Exactly 25 seconds until all the info I needed was said. Modern videos at work.", "I'm telling you, it's jobs. We gotta get jobs. Then we get the khakis. Then we get the chicks.", "I agree with your points. I do, however, think the distinction between a printed bill and the coin in your analogy is….not wholly complete. \n\nThe printed bill would have a serial number. And presumably if there were many printed there would still have to be a first one printed. Which speaks to the same points you made about the coin vs a bill.", "Dumb qualification IMO, why should it be restricted to only what an individual can buy rather than like a whole government?", "Well the government would still have to purchase the item in question and be able to present the item in question to someone else to qualify it for Tom Scott's definition of a non-fungible object.\n\nSo, so long the government verifies the value of the item or object in question then I could totally see that being you know the most valuable item by weight but you can't just make it out of nothing and then claim that it's worth something it has to have been sold at least once.", "Yeah, in my view, bills aren't fungible either - I may not have been clear in my comment if you think I suggested that they are. The person I replied to proposed that a $1T coin would be fungible, and I merely said that it wouldn't be. A $1T bill would also not be fungible. Arguably, even a common coin is non-fungible, it will be unique on a microscopic level even right out of the mint. But I suppose a more useful (though technically incorrect) definition of fungibility is something that a human can distinguish from similar things like it without advanced equipment.\n\nEither way, a genuine bill with a unique serial number is definitely non-fungible.", "[First you get the haircut, then you get the titties](https://youtu.be/z0VoHE2a6zQ)", "Love me some Brad Neely.", "Yeah, that seems rules-breaking. \n\nYou might get somewhere with a whole heap of various most-expensive-by-volume objects put together, though it'd take a lot of research - and what a packing problem that would be.", "The current NFT craze is just like the early Crypto craze, people who don’t care what or how it works, they just want to make money. Eventually, NFTs will move beyond this goofy ass generated art and be used for actual useful stuff.", "And the object will have different mass based on the current storage technology.\n\nActually, wouldn’t an object stored on an Hard drive have negative mass? The process of writing was removing material from a disc right?", "Says Wikipedia, current production capability is about 10 million anti-protons per minute, so it'd take around 100 billion years to produce 1 gram of anti-hydrogen assuming perfect efficiency.\n\nThere is also the question of storage. Can you really say your anti-coin is the most expensive thing by weight if it (violently) ceases to exist the instant you take it out of its multi-ton magnetic trap?", "So you either didnt watch the video or you missed the information literally in the first minute?", "I get that almost everything has a supply/demand cost attached to it. But this is technically an artifact collectors item, so it’s value is very much subjective. \n\nIt’s a stamp. \n\nFor me, being a non-stamp collector, it’s worth whatever it’s face value is. (I think he said one cent?)", "I honestly don't think it is that simple. I don't think that the absurd and somewhat arbitrary price for certain pieces of art is a new thing.", "It's how you can make money or move money around borders. Yup nothing new.", "I appreciate the first 30 seconds of this video. A lot.", "I'm sorry, a shoebox is 10 to 15L? really?!?", "It's a cheeto", "pleated if you really wanna flex", "Didn't [this guy](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSgfQ2rJItA) sell his collection for $10 million? It can't weigh much more than that stamp.", "Great essay, thanks for linking it! \n\nI got a kick over imagining a shoebox full of LSD, and I fed that line as a prompt for an A.I. art app a few times and [here's the things it painted.](https://imgur.com/gallery/uZs8JTH)", "you can say its worth millions of dollars until you actually try to sell it.", "A byte weighs 1e-18 grams, so wouldn't the most expensive NFT take this crown?", "yea i figure u could cram 3 to 4 of those gallon plastic bags full of something in one, sounds about right", "> [5:20] I'd say that one year's worth of gross national savings is a reasonable price point\n\nYeah no.\n\nYou're right, the video author was definitely out of their mind.", "Okay, but what's preventing me from just taking a screenshot of that stamp?", "Gotta be printer ink", "I think the value has to be intrinsic. FIAT is a representation of value not expense in and of itself.", "I thought it would be a HP ink cartridge.", "It’s sad he didn’t go into detail of how much plutonium he could fit in the box without it going kaboom and seeing if that’s the most expensive yet meaningful thing you could pack in that box.", "Well, except if there were 241 stamps like this they'd not be worth anywhere near that amount any more.", "The guy in the suit looks a lot like the guy who played Major Winters in Band of Brothers, doesn't he?", "no no no, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women!", "But it's not salable by weight is it? I can't sell half of an 8.3 million dollar stamp for 4.15 million dollars because its value is ruined if it is cut in half. \n\nSeems deceptive to compare special objects with unique appraised values versus commodities you can actually buy and sell by weight.", "Damien Lewis?", "Not even then.\n\nElectrons have actual mass, and a bitcoin transfer takes about 500 bytes. By weight, there is an absolute bare minimum capacity for \\~275 quintillion bitcoin transactions per milligram. At greater than $50,000/coin, 40 milligrams of bitcoin transaction is potentially several trillion times greater than all the money in the world combined. So no, a Trillion Dollar note is very, very far from the most expensive object in the world by weight. So what if it's decentralized.", "The video says they're now selling shares of it, so you kind of can.", "what is a mrbeast", "Someone wealthy enough to purchase 1 gram of anti-matter would almost certainly want to own such a thing, so I'd say that it would still indeed be the most expensive thing by weight. Now, if you do let it out of the containment box... well then, I guess it was the most expensive firework by weight?", "transactions dont have value they just transfer value", "That seems like a good contender, if the numbers are correct!\n\nI was thinking maybe something like the original copy of the US declaration of independence or something like that might be worth more by weight.\n\nDoes anyone else have any contenders?!\n\nMaybe some sort of piece of DNA or a sample of material from space, moon rock, meteorite, for example.", "He addresses that in the video when discussing antimatter. The stamp is non-fungible, while even some super rare element is. If there was a commercial market for it, Oak Ridge theoretically could run through that production process over and over.", "Am I wrong to think there must be so many rare stamps out there. For example, there are limited prints of stamps here (Belgium) all the time. What if I kept them for about 20 years. In fact I have some that are that old. What are the odds of other people having those stamps still? And are they worth anything :P I feel like you need more than just the rarity for it to become valuable?", "Pops to Tom Scott for dragging it out for ten minutes and giving the answer right away. Which is why I watched the entire video.", "Are you saying that, if you found yourself in possession of it, you would happily affix it to your letter to pay for 1 cent's worth of postage? (Well it's already been used but just for the sake of argument.) Or sell it to me for two cents?", "Lol first second of video \"it's a stamp\" \"ok\" closes video", "* Reddit sees something expensive where the value is not intrinsically tied up in material or work-hours...\n\n\n* \"Money laundering!!\"", "Not a money launder and this is not financial advice. My understanding is it would go something like this:\n\nLaunderer gets a car wash that's all cash. \n\nCriminal gives car wash owner 150k under the table illegally. Goes to gallery buys a 10k painting. \n\nCar wash owner cleans money through his business. \n\nCriminal goes to gallery and has painting auctioned off.\n\nCar wash owner buys painting in auction for 100k, pockets 50k and gallery makes 10k.\n\nCriminal makes 90k off his art \"investment\" in a \"legitimate\" way.", "Upvote for simply instantly answering the question ahha", "seems sketch", ">Before you spend $3 billion on plutonium, take note: Plutonium's critical mass is about 10 kilograms. So while you could fit 300 kilograms of it in a shoebox, you could only do so briefly.\n\nlmao I love xkcd", "Depends on the shoebox, I have a ladies winter boot box here that is 10cmx33cmx41 cm, which is 13.5 L. Granted winter boots are larger than many shoes. I would imagine some ladies flats come in boxes more in the 7-9L range, or even as small as 5-7L.", "what chain is it on?", "I'm working on a web3 project, I can assure you people are creating value and they're not gambling.", "Not sure if you are disagreeing with me or not here. Web3 matters, NFT junk art is a scam.", "Yeah, we’re on same page lol", "He literally made that joke (minus Lexmark) in the video" ]	101	videos	The world's most expensive object by weight
https://youtu.be/FQD_a22tNJ0	/r/videos/comments/rab6ct/badass_mike_tyson_entrance/	[ "Damn, now I gotta go find the fight on YouTube. Lol", "Was for [this fight](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Tyson_vs._Francois_Botha).\n\nHe won, but somehow controversially.", "1999 is past Mikes prime fighting years." ]	3	videos	Badass Mike Tyson entrance
https://youtu.be/jkWVsLrBeeg	/r/videos/comments/rab8us/doughnut_ice_carousel_in_finland/	[ "perkele", "Cutting two near-perfect circles in the ice without an easy way to attach a rope to the center point is quite a feat! How to make it go faster though!?!?!", "\n\n>How to make it go faster though!?!?!\n\nYou didn't watch the whole video.", "Uh, I did and I only see the time lapse sped up. I mean, could you put a car on the ice and tie it to land and get that bitch going 100kph!?", "Outboard engine stuck to the ice propelling it.", "Bruh. I'm not asking how they did it in the video.", "another engine!", "😃" ]	8	videos	Doughnut Ice Carousel in Finland
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1pG9S494eo	/r/videos/comments/rabf2s/a_very_important_question_came_up_in_a_reddit/	[ "The answer is No", "Or is it...", "I guess everyone will have to watch the video to find out", "Thank you, now we can all sleep better tonight, good job!", "It's more a case of \"how much frustration can you put up with\"", "r/theydidthescience", "In which case, they'll find out that the answer is Yes", "Nah. It doesn't dispense properly, at all.", "What do you mean? Just bang it a couple of times and it does the trick lol", "But could you stack the tic tac between the pez (PTPTPTPTP style) and dispense a pez + tic tac?", "This guy looks like those assholes on infomercials that don't know how to hold a wine glass.", "Holy shit lol." ]	12	videos	A very important question came up in a reddit thread so I decided to test out an idea.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XAw-CCDJCw	/r/videos/comments/rabud1/ssx_3_is_the_best_snowboarding_game_ever/	[ "I’m an out-of-touch old guy but I always thought the AMPED games were the best. SSX 3 looks dope though I’ll have to check it out", "It was a very fun game but... Cool Boarders 3...", "Amped games were better for the “authentic feels” of hitting the slopes from your living room.\nSSX was good but on the exact opposite spectrum(it let you unwind with arcade style tricks and fun times)" ]	3	videos	SSX 3 is the Best Snowboarding Game EVER
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNpvWBuTfrc	/r/videos/comments/rabzde/the_matrix_resurrections_official_trailer_2/	[ "Along with Die Hard this is now a Christmas Film I can recommend at Christmas.\n\nIf I go see this and Santa Turns up. I will go fucking postal though.", "There is absolutely NO WAY this will feel the same as the original trilogy but i will absolutely see it", "So does this make it the [7th version](https://youtu.be/cHZl2naX1Xk?t=277)? Cause these ~~architects~~ screen writers are getting increasingly good at it", "money grab trash", "Its gunna be trash trying to grasp at that feeling of 1999 nostalgia and awe.", "I don't think it is supposed to feel like the originals. All movies are a product of their times because the people making them are a product of their times.", "Except they put no effort into this story", "Bingo. Looks like Lana has a much better grip on how to translate anime styles and tropes to film this time around, too. The sequels really struggled with their stylistic inspiration.", "The Matrix: Regurgitation will be a huge hit.", "I was pretty meh with all the previous clips and trailers.. but this one sold me massively\n\nNow I'm really looking forward to it", "I'm looking forward to some cloud atlas level parallels and callbacks", "Lol i can picture your hands on your hips", "> Die Hard is considered a Christmas film because the events of the film take place on Christmas Eve\n\nDH is an \"action movie\" that is one of the best Xmas movies. by multiple tropes.", "Woop woop here comes the fun Police.", "This looks terrible.", "it is going to be utter trash though", "What? You can say whatever you want about reloaded and revolutions getting way too melodramatic and leaning too heavy into action to the point of boredom, but, the way the story appears to be set up in resurrections looks absolutely phenomenal. \n \nThere is canon backstory to what’s happening here, by the way. It’s not just completely made up in the last six months to squeeze a film out. Immediately after revolutions there was a canonical continuation of the story that included Neos body being kept by the machines, the assassination of Morpheus, and a plot to infiltrate the machine city and recover Neo‘s body. So from what we can see in the trailers, it makes perfect sense that they put Neos and Trinity into a matrix and it’s extremely interesting to see the writers take on all the tactics the architect would use to keep neo from remembering the war with the machines and to make him reject any attempt to extract him from his new reality. Everything that you can do with a story like that, just as a framework, it has all the elements for an extremely interesting movie.", "They should have just called it Best of: The Matrix" ]	18	videos	The Matrix Resurrections – Official Trailer 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVsfOSbJY0	/r/videos/comments/rac81w/13_million_likes_and_no_dislikes_this_song_must/	[ "I had actually forgotten how the song sounded, and in a laps of judgement I clicked the video. Now I just feel like I’ve been rickrolled", "She has a net worth of $500k so she’s doing better than me for sure", "[Rebecca Black Friday 'Brock Dub'](https://youtu.be/zzfQwXEqYaI) is still a top ten favorite video on YT.", "How many laps of judgement did you do? Just the one?", "Have to remember she was very much a CHILD when she recorded this, and she was totally un-prepared for all the (largely negative) attention. There are a couple of great documentaries about cyber bullying that include interviews with her. Really did a lot of damage to have the entire world come at her for recording this song.", "Rule #1 is cardio, so I tend to do a few laps every day.", "\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgqib9aNePg", "Acoustic version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AzDw0LVFtA", "All the cool kids like Rebecca Black now. Have you seen her lately?", "Easy fix, at least for now ....\nhttps://github.com/Anarios/return-youtube-dislike", "Chris Walken and an excellent ending", "Destroy your PC and mobile devices?", "1.3 millons likes and 4 millons unlike, its trash, and even youtube cant hide it.", "[Friday (in hell) has to be my favorite remix version of this song](https://youtu.be/Ti1D9t8n0qA)", "Wasn't it a rich kid fad at the time to record a music video?\n\nIf you're going to put yourself out there, you have to be prepared for the world to say, \"No thanks, you're awful.\" You don't get a free pass or a safe space because you're a kid, even if you feel entitled. Either you're competing in the market or you're not. Her parents should have known this even if she didn't.", "Fun fun fun fun", "You can still compare number of likes to number of views. Less than one percent (0.83%) of viewers liked this video.", "It’s a funny song that hurts nobody. Hating on her personally is for low lives, so now you know what kind of human you are.", "Really? Are we really digging this girl up again just to shit on her one more time?", "The vitriol directed at her far surpasses \"no Thanks, you're awful\".", "This just reminded about Brock's dubbed version of this song and how it killed me", "That's the joke \n\n&#x200B;\n\n&#x200B;\n\nB::::::::::::D\\~\\~", "Ahhh simpler times!", "But what followed from this song is relentless harassment and bullying about it. Sure you don't get a free pass or safe space when putting it online on a very widely used platform but to say she should have been prepared for what came after... how? How do you prepare?? How do you tell if your shitty song will go viral or be forgotten by the internet?", "Overall, I feel she took all the attention very well. Her parents paid a fischer-price music producer, and this was the result they got. \n\nI'm sure Rebecca wasn't thinking she was going to be the next Britney Spears with this, and was more likely hoping for a cool video to share with her friends, and maybe possibly something for a demo reel.", "> Her parents should have known this even if she didn't.\n\nTo me, they are 100% to blame, not her. At 13 you don't know a goddamn thing. At that age, you don't even really know who you are, your limits, or your real talent level. They tried to buy her success (and honestly, while maybe not success, she does have a level of fame... or infamy), and that's never going to work out. \n\nWhile there was obviously a lot of hate when this came out, I think she is viewed more positively now because so many have grown up and realize she was just a kid, and to be honest, this kind of \"cringe\" on YouTube is one of the things that made it great.", "Wow thanks Reddit Sherlock! Where was this genius insight for this child about 10 years ago? /s", "It’s FryEEEday, bitches!", "Seems in proportion for the amount of reach her daddy dollars generated.", "There is an add on for dislikes\n\nhttps://returnyoutubedislike.com/", "This song is a banger, what are you talking about? \n\n/s", "We must spread this all over the internet\n\nhttps://returnyoutubedislike.com/", "There's also [this 10 minute Vice mini-doc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd6921coDhs)", "I remembered it being bad. But even my inner monologue's bad version sounded 100 times better than the actual song.", "Holy shit, I would of expected people to hate this song, but it turns out they love it! Thanks Youtube!!!", "It is a banger.", "You’re not original, or funny.", "this songs a banger", "It's got some strange lyrics, but damn that hook bangs", "No I think it's FUNFUNFUNFUN", "I still say “my hand is a dolphin!” And “get the fuck over here!” And no one ever knows what I’m talking about. Love it!", "POV: you dug up a dead body.", "You don't know if you'll become a viral laughingstock or be forgotten, which is the point. Is it good parenting to expose your child to that risk?\n\nCompare to Billie Piper who was doing things at the same time. Piper went to stage school and competed to get the opportunity to work with industry professionals. There are a lot of quality control checks across the board there, from her having to win her place to the quality of the people working on the project. Even so, she had a hard time.\n\nBlack's parents opened their wallet to bypass all that. Fair enough if they just wanted to give her the experience, but they wanted to try to launch her career. They paid to avoid all quality controls and got what they paid for. \n\nThe internet should be a kinder place, but everyone should recognise it for what it is. Black threw herself to the wolves and her parents helped rather than protecting her from her own ego and ambition. She could have been allowed to fail safely.", "To be fair, we were still in the age of the internet where the general population didn't truly know how wholly and totally they could be destroyed IRL if caught in the wrong light", "If that were true Uncle Adams would be WAY more well known", "Party in Party in", "4M dislikes\n\nThankfully the return dislikes extension works, most of the time. Until YouTube block it, of course.", "Making fun of this 14 year old girl for making this semi-successful pop song is like an answer to “tell me you’re a loser without saying you’re a loser”.", "I have the dislike extension. Speak for yourselves peasants!", "So view count and likes are the next to go?", "Ad revenue on the video alone must have made it worth it, she seems to have gotten over the negative comments anyway.", "It's the downvotes that gave this video the engagement needed to Excell in the algorithm.", "I sing it once a week. Still lots of of fun.", "On a side-note, Rebecca's recent lesbian hyperpop rebranding is interesting...", "That's the point. The risks were there for all to see 10 years ago and Black's parents paid to let her take them. \n\nYou add nothing.", "She still makes music. She released a Friday remix for the 10 year anniversary that honestly is hilarious and kinda brilliant. https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y", "Assuming she has a similar cpc as my videos do then this video has made her roughly $750,000. Ikd sit back and let the haters hate.", "LOL at the bus stop sign 28 seconds in", "This is actually a good argument for removing the dislike count. People were piling on just to harass a little kid who made an innocent video. the cruelty of people only increases in large groups.", "No there’s definitely gaps, devoid of all feeling and soul between each “fun”.", "yet here we all are knowing what this song is.", "[FUN FUN FUN FUN](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrAjPXykbXA)", "Why would you post this on a Monday?\n\nShe's actually pretty talented. It's not her fault that the person who wrote the lyrics clearly spent no more than 5 minutes on this one.", "I would guess so. I found an account with the number of subs hidden. Forgot to take a screenshot. Not sure if it's a feature tho", "You're just jealous because you're poor", "This is true for all entertainment. Which is why as someone who's busted my ass in clubs and bars cringes when I see shows like American Idol slingshot nobodies into stardom. I'm sure these winners have help from the show but what I think pissed a lot of people off with Black was how shocked she was at the negative response. It was like the same privilege that allowed her to have a professional song and video produced and promoted was that same that thought would protect her from the backlash.", "How tf did they manage to make it worse lmao", "All joking aside her new music is actually fire.", "oh god wtf is this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFOcqsnc9Y", "yes, lol. I am jealous that my dad didn't buy me a shitty music video that lead to 10 years of harassment. Simply devastated. Envious is also a better word for your non-point.", "MY HAND IS A DOLPHIN", "I mean her parents gave her $1 million of that, so...", "Never thought of the unintended consequences from this. We must put Black back into her cage.", "There's literally only one open seat available in the car. She was debating on whether to sit in the front seat or the backseat, was she gonna kick her friend out of the front seat?", "Their comment was in poor taste, but so was yours.\n\n… this was also not meant to be a pun", "you monster", "We\n\nwe\n\nwe\n\nso \n\nexcited!", "In the end she took it well.. years later.\n\nShe dealt with bullying and depression from this. She was pulled from school. \n\nThough almost a decade later she is doing great.", "She has 1 million+ followers on Instagram and 1.5 million YouTube subs.\n\nShe can make $1 million/year easily with that level of following.", "This many years later I clicked it...I'm not sure what I expected.", "On a related note Justin Bieber’s Baby is also regarded as a masterpiece.", "FRIED EGG FRIED EGG", "Honestly all the hate helped her become more famous than she would've if it had been an okay song hahaha\n\nShe STILL makes music btw, and it's definitely better than this", "Fun fun fun fun.", "r/boneappletea", "Just install the dislike extension you dummies.", "Half of you commenting most had parents who actually went out to buy kids bop cds.", "Knew it", ">Overall, I feel she took all the attention very well.\n\nJust imagine making some small demo reel only to have it become a huge hit? at the same level of Britney spears except it being infamous and you're a teen. That's really painful for most as it was was her", "To me, she wasn't even the one that deserved to be ridiculed. She was...fine? Whoever wrote those lyrics though...whoooo boy. The song is hilariously bad. It's like if you fed an AI program Ice Cube's \"Good Day\" with the description of an affluent white neighborhood where absolutely nothing happens and told it to write a song. I had to look up the lyrics to jog my memory. I mean, holy moly: \n\n\n>Partyin', partyin' (Yeah) \nPartyin', partyin' (Yeah) \nFun, fun, fun, fun \nLookin' forward to the weekend \nYesterday was Thursday, Thursday \nToday i-is Friday, Friday (Partyin') \nWe-we-we so excited \nWe so excited \nWe gonna have a ball today \nTomorrow is Saturday \nAnd Sunday comes after wards \nI don't want this weekend to end\n\nJust absolutely incredible. It's like a free-flow writing exercise. Couldn't have taken more than five minutes to write that. I bet they did it on the ride to the pitch meeting.", "Her recent songs are straight up bangers", "Yes-ter-day was Thurs-day, to-oo-mo-oo-ro-w is Fri-day, then co-emes Sat-ur-day-ee and Sun-dayy-y-ee-ee.....\n\n\nF҉r҉i҉d҉a҉y҉ f҉r҉i҉d҉a҉y҉ k҉i҉c҉k҉i҉n҉g҉ d҉o҉w҉n҉ o҉n҉ F҉R҉I҉D҉A҉Y҉", "Maybe if the dislike button wasn't available, she wouldn't have been publicly humiliated by the world as a fucking child....", "I hate my ears for that", "Here is a better Rebecca Black song for everyone. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHC-Iy7cac0](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHC-Iy7cac0)", "Even worse than I remembered, and fuck you too!", "I can't believe someone actually made this song.", "because they tried?", "[Death Metal Friday is where it's at.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi00ykRg_5c)\n\n[The part](https://youtu.be/pi00ykRg_5c?t=124) where she sings about yesterday being Thursday, and tomorrow being Saturday... shiiieettt gets me going everytime.", "1.5M subscribers, I'd say that's a sign of a popular channel.", "I've heard worse", "I hope to god that Rick Astley comes up when I watch this...\n\nEDIT: It didn’t.", "You do realize you just proved a good reason why Google actually did this right?\n\nIt's for your own ability to judge a video and decide for yourself.\n\nEdit: minor spelling mistake.", "I forgot how much this song sounded like unseasoned chicken.", "It seems like everyone in that car has a different memory of how the song went.", "It's a goddamn masterpiece. It lays on the 2011 meme culture thick and creamy, just how I like it.", "This is how I've been gauging videos now. Especially the DIY ones", "WAOW I totally wouldn't have been able to detect that obvious sarcasm without you putting in a heckin /s! Have a heckin updoot kind stranger!", "Who is that middle-age dude in the middle, rapping about partying with pre-teens?", "hmmm, agreed but I don't want to contemplate that vast abyss between the fun's and in her eyes. Definitely \"devoid of all feeling and soul\" :D", "Jokes on you! I actually like this song!", "McDonald's served a few billion burgers so the must be good, right?\n\n&#x200B;\n\nright?", "I disliked because her voice sounds like a robot singing", "[Don't forget the Bad Lip Reading version. ](https://youtu.be/1GaKaGwch0U)", "Gotta have my bowl gotta have cereole.", "Pretty sure she's like actually an alright singer nowadays as well. Fairly certain i saw her in a collab.", "157 million views for an absolutely horrible song with horrible vocals EVEN WITH autotune. \n\n\nWonder where she's at now given it was put out there in 2011.", "I wonder if we will start seeing a lot of top comments \"Like if you dislike\"?", "Autotune helped with that, in addition to the \"song\" structure.", "You know, I was kind of on board with people complaining about \"what about the tutorial videos? I don't want to spend 20 minutes watching something only to find out it's bad info, those dislikes help sort the garbage\"\n\nBut when people are essentially saying \"without youtube dislikes, how will I know if I'm supposed to like a song or not,\" ya lost me.", "I love you Reddit, thank you for reminding me of the banality of my existence.", "I just found this thing called youtube rewind on youtube, it's made by youtube themselves, those videos have so many likes! probably the most hip thing on youtube!", "I mean she's more successful than most at this point.", "Negative response is one thing but death threats? Do you consider death threats to be an acceptable negative response for this? Would you find it to be an OK thing if someone does not like your work? Should they threaten to kill you for it?", "EVERYBODY'S RUSSIAN", "Nah I think we’re over making fun of her. People I think are smart enough to know that the writers and music producers made this song as hilariously bad as it is.\n\nRebecca actually handled the entire ordeal when this song came out so well and it seems like she’s doin well for herself. It seems like while she’s most known for this, she’s seen as pretty cool by the majority of people it seems", "Came here to say this. Mozilla had one as well: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-youtube-dislikes/", "WTF is that? lol. Sadly, that video is better since it clearly a goof.", "It’s friday friday gotta get down on friday!", "OMG, that is friggin' hilarious.", "I'm also a fan of [this Sarah Z video essay](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjov-gt6YCw)", "What I remembered was that the original viral hit video went to the production studio and she wasn't seeing a dime off of it. Although it looks like that video is now under her name so now I don't know what to believe.", "The removal of the dislike counter is one of the stupidest things YouTube ever did.", "I just looked. Uh, wow.", "I had to google hyperpop and still don't understand it, and am not convinced anyone does.", "I tried to rewatch couldn’t get past the seat picking dilemma. Truly “fellow kids” incarnate.", ">at the same level of Britney spears except it being infamous and you're a teen\n\nSpears was sixteen when Hit Me Baby One More Time dropped...", "Wait, if yesterday was Thursday and tomorrow is Friday....what day is it now?", "I think that happens to account yt deems bad but not breaking rules.", "Huh.\n\nThere was some channels with constant dislikes over the most petty mundane shit. \n\nNow i’m curious. Are people still that petty? Or if their is a downvote bot farm to help continue the discourse. \n\nIt’s definitely not the content. It can literally be a video about finding the cure to cancer and people are so petty and childish they’d downvote it down to 10%. \n\nBut it’s still this way. So either people are literal petty as fuck or, a bot farm.", "Rebecca Black is kind of a babe now on Insta.", "Yeah the guy who produced this song did many like it, i think he had some controversy surrounding him.", "And men older than 30 could barely contain their inner pervert.", "Hurry put on the Colbert version as a palate cleanser.\n\nEDIT: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VrSKW6A2\\_w&ab\\_channel=JimmyFallon-Topic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEHqi6g9oeY&ab_channel=ConnorToth)\n\nEDIT2: full video: https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhxqq5", "It is against the law to play this on any day but Friday. \n\nBut every Friday, better believe I keep this on repeat in the office.", "And that worked out brilliantly for her mental health, as we all know!", "How much can one make from 157,151,662 views?", "If only we had a viable alternative to youtube that wasn't being ruined by corporate interests", "Well, now you know that before Friday is Thursday, and after Friday is Saturday, and then Sunday is afterwards. So… there’s that!", "As an older person who is no longer \"hip\" or \"with it,\" I think this is how all modern pop music sounds.\n\nIt probably isn't. But I don't care enough to educate myself on the matter. It's just not for me.", "To be fair, this IS a banger.\n\nFRIDAY FRIDAY DONT KNOW WHICH SEAT TO TAKE FRIEND ON THE LEFT RIGHT WOoOOOO", "Same boat, I forgot the lyrics, listend, and was as disappointed as I was 10 years ago.", "Still doesn't really help with videos ment as an educational source. Down votes were a good way to implement there being something wrong. I.E. verges how to build a PC video.", "Inspired by 'party all the time' by Rick James and that one snl dude.", "Is it possible they remixed it somehow to make it worse? I really don't remember it being like this.", "Fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun", "Even better?!", "Her voice breaks my ears. I hate so hate this song.", "\"Tomorrow is Saturday and Sunday comes afterward\" Wow, just amazing.", "Honestly I like it. I understand it's not everybody's cup of tea but I prefer this song over at least 50% of mainstream hits today. It's got personality and it's pretty upbeat.", "No there is not.\n\nIt just appears to be worse than we are physically capable of remembering.", "It's monday though :(", "Funny enough her new music is actually good.", "Almost clicked play, but I saw her gap and went, \"ofuck\". It's an old gem, but I don't wanna hear it. \n\nNote: She paid for the video, the guy has done others for other rich kids.", "I’ll start off with Shut Up and Dance. It makes me want to drive my car off a bridge.", "[GANG FIGHT GANG FIGHT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaKaGwch0U)", "I like the Colbert version more:\n\nhttps://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhxqq5", "I'm sick of hearing about this dislikes thing. Get off Youtube if it's making you so mad. Nothing this small is worth the amount of concern you've all given it.", "My Firefox extension can tell me the number of dislikes, die mortals.", "You don't need dislikes when there's a Youtube comment section!", "The jump into Hyperpop makes so much sense for her", "This sounds like something AI would create right now.", "My buddy sent this to a friend text group for YEARS every Friday. When he got married, my friend got her to do a cameo and wish him and his wife congratulations. She was very sincere and sweet and I get the impression she’s a really kind person.", "Are we still at full boo-hoo about the dislikes thing? Does anyone even give a shit about youtube? It's been a wasteland for over a decade unless you like watching teenage girls doing mouth-breathing \"reactions\" to other insipid videos.", "Youtube should restore the downvote. It makes sense not having it for pure entertainment mediums like Twitter or TikTok. But for YouTube educational/informational videos the downvotes give a sense of accuracy/usefulness.", "Ha! Zombieland reference.", "Garbage youtube took down the dislikes counter for God knows what reason.", "Yesterday was yesterday today is today tomorrow is tomorrow now is now the past is the par=sdaskm asdd alsdjlasdj asdknf rufdatyfirddddaayy", "Additionally, she still does music on YT and she’s not bad! I recommend checking her out", "Only 0.0083 likes per view and/or 348 likes per day it's been around. Those seem like it's subpar, I know to avoid.", "I ended up watching the vice documentary on the singer lmao worth the watch 10/10.", "[The dark side of Friday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxleH60hDJY) I go back to this song every couple years.", "corpo youtube being a corpo husk", "Same, it's embedded so I didn't see a title. Wasn't until the chorus broke in that I remembered lmao", "It got her into a Katy Perry video or two as well.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rrfp8Kbh2Ts", "Yes a real head banger....As banging your head on a concrete wall until it's over or you are unconscious.", "Blurnsday", "Heh. I have the extension that restores the dislikes. 4m dislikes. Screw you YouTube.", "Seven a.m., waking up in the morning\n\nDragged a comb across my head\n\nGotta be fresh, gotta go downstairs\n\nFound my way downstairs and drank a cup\n\nGotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal\n\nSeein' everything, the time is goin'\n\nTickin' on and on, everybody's rushin'\n\nAnd looking up, I noticed I was late\n\nFound my coat and grabbed my hat\n\nGotta get down to the bus stop\n\nMade the bus in seconds flat\n\nGotta catch my bus, I see my friends (My friends)", "She makes some decent music now", "> Is it good parenting to expose your child to that risk?\n\nAre the parents bad for wanting to make their child happy? Sure, it's good to face reality. But you can't tell me that thousands of comments, if not hundreds, with death threats and more comments with \"you should die\", \"my ears are bleeding\", \"why were you born\", etc. You can't tell me that was deserved. That's way beyond that. Again, literally no one can prepare you mentally for this shit.", "LMFAO THE ENDING. i'm in a better mood now, literally.", "Holy heII. I've never actually seen this video despite knowing its some stupid meme. This was literally the worst thing Ive ever heard. Good lord. Reinstate the death penalty.", "https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi", "Yeah, absolutely. It's actually kind of a cool business model. Rich parents have money to burn, rich kids want something cool for their birthday or whatever. Why not?", "One of my favorites! Sometimes I just randomly hum Gang Fight, it's a great song.", "Never gonna give you up is kind of a banger and whenever I get Rick rolled I have to say I don't mind hearing the synth lines and groovy drums. Friday is so much worse.", "She has a newer song called, \"Worth It For the Feeling.\" It's a pretty good song.", "\"Everybody's russian.\"", "You show me a girl annoying the hell out of a discerning listener audience with her vapid songs and I'll show you a young teen staying out of trouble.", "Maybe if all she does is sponsored posts on Instagram. She would make basically nothing from youtube being that she's only uploaded 4 videos in the past year. A youtuber I know who has about that many subs and uploads about that often basically doesn't bother to factor making any money from their youtube channel nowadays.", "We all were vibing but were too embarrassed about it.", "I mean... That kind of works, but I can watch a video more than once. I can't \"like\" it more than once.", "More than alright. She's really good. In contrast to \"Friday,\" downright [shocking](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEy5x-vTH4g).", "FRY DAY FRY DAY", "Only if mom is out of the picture.", "This... Absolutely this", "Yeah honestly if my kid ever becomes “viral” I’ll probably go off grid with him for like … a decade.", "Go ahead and dig her up. She's a successful and talented artist now. Nothing to shit on.", "Trust fund pop artists. When talent is not required.", "I was not ready fir that", "Never heard that one before, and it's good and all, but I don't think there is any way they could possibly top \"Bushes of Love.\" \"Seagulls\" is a close second though.", "The song starts taking a downward turn at 'which seat do I take?', getting a little too mundane for a pop song lol", "You think a 13 year old deserves death threats because she is popular and rich and made a shitty song? What is wrong with you?", "What day is it?", "hyperpop dawg\n\na little spicier than normal, partially because of Dorian Electra and the other collabs, and partially (I think) to make you say \"what the fuck\" if the last thing you heard from her is the original Friday", "Your references are out of control. Everyone knows that", "lmaoooooooooooooo OP is retarded... Youtube has removed dislikes.. so OP thinks it has no dislikes.\n\nIT HAS 4 MILLION DISLIKES!\n\nEdit 1: - I tried listening to the song and her voice is sooo bad and nasally... my ears ouch!", "youre being downvoted because no one here is hating on her as a person.\n\nthe overwhelming consensus is that she was a young girl and everyone did cringy shit when they were young. doesnt mean we cant laugh at this video", "Rebecca...you've enhanced yourself.", "But what seat should she take???? 😫", "Still shows for me and it has 4 million [dislikes](https://gyazo.com/474ae94e09297f8b9c8fb92f4dc58900)", "I like how youtube is finding new and creative ways to make itself irrelevant.", "lol did she really release a mylar balloon into the environment on purpose? What an entitled, spoiled brat.", "Install return youtube dislike extension\n\nIt's not perfect but it's probably the best were gonna get", "StRoBe WaRnInG", "I think it was the first Bad Lip Reading song, so it always has a special place in my heart. My favorite is Dirty Spaceman.", "Wow good for her. Great she managed with all the shit she got.", "I laughed out so hard when I saw this, thank you. This is literally one of the best examples of how terrible a no dislike option can be.", "Dude, she’s been bullied enough. 🙄", "It works if you view it as Introvert dealing with the anxiety and the pressures of what they think they are supposed to do on weekends in order to be considered normal. I really resonated with this [cover](https://youtu.be/hxleH60hDJY?t=105) back in the day when looking at it from that point of view.\n\nI am supposed to be partying, having fun. I am supposed to look forward to the weekend, but im just going to spend it alone.\n\nThe talk about yesterday being Thursday and tomorrow being Saturday encapsulates the anxiety that the weekend is coming, and that they are expected to party and spend time with others, when really they just are going to go home and spend it stressing over that they aren't out partyin, having fun and they don't look forward to the weekend at all.", "I forgot how insanely autotuned it was. Basically no evidence in this video of what her voice might actually sound like in real life.", "Why does it sound worse than I remember? LMAO.", "we don't speak of Friday", "I am having flashbacks to dorm life where someone on my floor unironically loved this song and blasted it so loud you could here it all the way down the hall ALL THE TIME. I did not sleep well that year...", "Truly the philosophical question that defined a generation.", "By comparison, popular videos range between around 1 to 10% likes. It doesn't really tell you much, other than that most users don't bother liking or disliking videos.", "It's kind of freaking me out how bad it is compared to what I remember.", "same. I forgot about some of the best (worst) parts. like \"yesterday was thursday, today is friday, tomorrow is saturday and sunday comes afterwards\".", "4M dislikes", "It can't be a coincidence that Tenacious D's Tribute was the next video up for me. This is clearly the greatest song in the world.", "I remember watching that when it came out wondering when Rebecca was going show up. Then I realised IT WAS HER THE WHOLE TIME", "YEAH!", "It's a fun song. You can of course point out all the ways in which it is truly terrible, but it's still catchy AF and I still play it on a Friday here and there.", "I unironically play this every Friday morning on my kids' Echo to get them out of bed....maybe that is ironically... but they are 9 and 6, so I think they unironically like the song. Does irony cancel out?", "[Vice did an interesting follow up on her](https://youtu.be/nd6921coDhs)", "That's like blaming the tigers for tearing off Siegfried's head. \nSomeone should have told her that, maybe, it might not be a good idea to post it to YouTube.", "It has 4 million dislikes. \nAm I the only one that can still see this?", "Well, today is tomorrow \nAnd tomorrow today \nAnd yesterday is weaving in and out out out", "this girl has gone through some shit because of this song.", "If i recall she was always a talented singer", "Why is it sad? It's a cool video/song, that just happens to incorporate some humor/absurdity. It's better because it's better, not just because it's more self-aware.", "I think what happened to her back then is a tragedy.", "Oh, so that's what happened to 3OH!3", "Gotta have my bowl", "Lousy Smarch weather.", "Terrible lyrics, but oddly catchy tune.", "[Wonder no longer.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c) Bit of a glowup.", "The amount of dislikes no longer matter if you have over 157m views on your video.", "cool, how'd i never see that?", "This is good but Chinese Food was way better.", "🎵Fri-day night, I’m thinking that we just might..🎵", "In all honesty, you can’t dislike this video, it’s a pillar of internet culture", "Someone help me out...do I up vote for visibility and to support the cause or down vote because this song blows and we need to make it known?", "She’s still got a lucrative music career going today so it worked out pretty well", "wow welcome to 2019", "Maybe we should so we can learn from our mistakes the next time the internet decides to shit on someone. She's actually a decent singer now and had to go through a lot of shit cause of how the internet acted over an innocent music video she had fun making with friends.", "This is a good example of just how far back the YouTube database goes. I haven't listened to this song since the first week it went live. I think I might have even made it to the end before I clicked dislike and tried to forget it.\n\nWent back right now and it still has my dislike registered, not that it matters anymore.", "You'd be surprised at how [familiar and listenable](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z97qLNXeAMQ) modern pop can be!", "Literally her parents fault", "Well thats quite the image change!", "I saw her perform Friday on Pi day in Seattle. It was great.", "They'll rewrite her into a wicked stepmother. Gotta be a stepmother, or it's not a proper Disney villain.", "Thanks for the cancer.", "It would also have been bullying that peaked every 7 days. Not just a constant level but an experience amped up ferociously every Friday. I can’t imagine how much she dreaded Thursday night and what she was about to go through.", "Did OP mean to post the best example where removing dislikes is a good change?", "Even if it isn't a banger, I'd stab a person to be so confident about what day it was. Or even what year it is.", "It's like if instead of drums there were only trashcans and baseball bats.\nhttps://youtu.be/uERIXLWeik0", "Well... it is?", "But one person can watch the video multiple times but can only like once.", "I feel rickrolled because it is Monday.\n\nI have 4 more12 hour days working at the Amazon warehouse until my Friday night party costume from Amazon is delivered on Friday. Friday night is really when I let my hair down.", "Yeah, I saw a few videos of her just singing in a room with some other people and she had a decent voice. I feel she was just over-produced which made her sound bad in the video.", "[This browser extension brings it back for desktop users.](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)", "Write a comment for every video you watch.\nLike this comment if you disliked the video.", "I mean, the song isn't that bad anyway, it's only a notch or two below most mainstream pop songs, which is to be expected, given the relatively low budget. People just hated it because it was just another girly thing that was popular to hate, like Twilight. I'm not defending any of this stuff, but if you compare it to the hate received by dumb shit that guys like, like Fast and Furious or Transformers, there's just no comparison.\n\nEdit: I'm just going to put my response here because I can't be bothered to respond to everyone individually. Is the song shit? Absolutely. Is it so awful that a real teenage girl deserved to get an untenable amount of hatred, that the song should have been all over the news and has burned itself into the psyche of Western society, and that it should have been among the most disliked videos on YouTube ever? Absolutely not. \n\nThere is so much mind-numbingly dumb shit in the world, but the bullshit with shooty shooty guns and broom broom cars don't get a fraction of the amount of hate as shitty romance novels and corny pop songs aimed at girly tweens, wonder why. Almost like society has some sort of bias or something.", "Please tell me nobody's recorded this abominable mashup. But if they have, please also tell me that, because I want to hear it.", "This is age restricted for me but it better be the Kazoo Kid Trap Mix.\n\nEDIT. [Pssst, lets go over here, just me and you](https://youtu.be/g-sgw9bPV4A), i have some ear-bleach for you.", "You're doing great YouTube!!!\n\n-Youtube's potential competitors", "think it's because the base samples for electronic music keep improving by a ton, same with dithering/mixing etc, you can load up something in cubase with only sirum and use all presets and it'll sound 10 years beyond this right now. At least for me, her voice sounded how i remembered but none of the music did.", "Her family only spent $4000 on that video. That's like less than what hockey families pay in like 2 years.", "the hyperpop-lite remix of this has been a guilty pleasure of mine\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFOcqsnc9Y\n\nno idea if it's just stockholm syndrome", "shit me baby one more time!", "Cry me a river for entitled spoiled brat kids from super rich families that use their wealth to buy their child a fake music career.", "Can not be unread", "Stop sharing your own video Rebecca", "GOTTA MAKE MY MIND UP", "Don't forget the Star Wars \"Prime Day\" parody: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCmi5loEBUk", "Compared to some of the shit i've seen on TikTok, this isn't even that bad anymore.", "She even recently released a remix version and remade music video of Friday. It's nothing like her current music and seems to be just memeing on the cringy original. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y", "You should post the trailer for infinite warfare. Wasn't that the most disliked video on YouTube?", "> Are the parents bad for wanting to make their child happy?\n\nWhat if her dream wasn't to become a pop star, but to sail across the Atlantic? As \"good\" parents in your book, they buy her a boat and send her on her way? No, it would be irresponsible because she knows sweet FA about sailing. It wouldn't make it any better that her parents didn't know anything about sailing either.\n\nWe're dealing with reality here, the internet is what it is. Even if it was a great video, there would still be haters who would invent something to be nasty about. If there was anything to genuinely criticise about the video then it was always going to be exposed with all of the hyperbole and edginess people could bring to bear just as surely as there are currents and storms at sea. The reaction the video caused was entirely predictable in nature, if not in scale. \n\nYes, her parents were bad for wanting to help their child pursue a dream for which she was unprepared. It was their job to say \"No\".", "She also remade Friday! [I actually like it, too](https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y). It exudes early 2010s vibes. The music definitely won't be for everyone and it's quite... Unique. She also just did a song with bbno$, which is a genuinely [amazing song](https://youtu.be/dHC-Iy7cac0)", "These references are corporate friendly.\n\nTry:\n\nThe bloody cops are bloody keen\nTo bloody keep it bloody clean\nThe bloody chief's a bloody swine\nWho bloody draws a bloody line\nAt bloody fun and bloody games\nThe bloody kids he bloody blames\nAre nowehere to be bloody found\nAnywhere in chicken town\nThe bloody scene is bloody sad\nThe bloody news is bloody bad\nThe bloody weed is bloody turf\nThe bloody speed is bloody surf\nThe bloody folks are bloody daft\nDon't make me bloody laugh\nIt bloody hurts to look around\nEverywhere in chicken town\nThe bloody train is bloody late\nYou bloody wait you bloody wait\nYou're bloody lost and bloody found\nStuck in fucking chicken town\nThe bloody view is bloody vile\nFor bloody miles and bloody miles\nThe bloody babies bloody cry\nThe bloody flowers bloody die\nThe bloody food is bloody muck\nThe bloody drains are bloody fucked\nThe colour scheme is bloody brown\nEverywhere in chicken town\nThe bloody pubs are bloody dull\nThe bloody clubs are bloody full\nOf bloody girls and bloody guys\nWith bloody murder in their eyes\nA bloody bloke is bloody stabbed\nWaiting for a bloody cab\nYou bloody stay at bloody home\nThe bloody neighbors bloody moan\nKeep the bloody racket down\nThis is bloody chicken town\nThe bloody pies are bloody old\nThe bloody chips are bloody cold\nThe bloody beer is bloody flat\nThe bloody flats have bloody rats\nThe bloody clocks are bloody wrong\nThe bloody days are bloody long\nIt bloody gets you bloody down\nEvidently chicken town\nThe bloody train is bloody late\nYou bloody wait you bloody wait\nYou're bloody lost and bloody found\nStuck in fucking chicken town", "Clueless", "I don't know if any amount of money is necessarily worth the psychological trauma of being hated by millions and millions of people as a young girl. I know she went through hell for a while. But she did learn to deal with it and channeled it into a successful career, so good for her.", "Subs doesnt mean views.\n\nPlenty of people rely on recommendations and dont go into their sub queue.", "I told you I was willing to change", "She looks like Jesse's girlfriend from Breaking Bad", "Everybody's lookin forwardtothe weekend, weekend", "But now we got TikTok…", "PRETZEL DAY", "GANG FIGHT GANG FIGHT", "I said this a few weeks ago. \n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/qsjnfd/now_that_youtube_hides_the_dislikes_friday_by/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share", "Such a badly written song. Rebecca could actually sing so it's weird they had her sing with a nasal voice instead.", "As far as you know she's doing great", "I read all the comments beforehand, hence my comment. But I am happy to hear, that you are of greater knowledge.", "Oh fuck test today on monday?! I didn't even study! Wait, I'm 33. Phew, that was close.", "Personally, that song pissed me off when it came out, but I was never mad at her. It was Ark Music Factory that tricked her.\n\nEver since she moved on from them, her songs have been pretty good.", "I didn't know you meant physically!", "I'm shocked it's not much higher. Would have at least expected a million.", "it's significantly worse than I remembered", "And the vastly superior version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1D9t8n0qA", "Rule#2 Double laps!", "Best is the death metal cover, imo\n\nhttps://youtu.be/pi00ykRg_5c", "To be fair, she was 14 when she recorded Friday.", "In retrospect: this is a proto-typical great pop song. The fact it was recorded for a kids birthday, and never intended to be anything more than that, only makes it better.", "The melodic death metal version certainly is a banger. A head banger.\n\n\n# YYYYYYYEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!", "From Wikipedia: \n\n>In response to the YouTube video of \"Friday\", Black began to receive phone and email death threats, which were investigated by the Anaheim Police Department. \n \nImagine being a human, on Earth, and getting a hold of a child and threatening to murder them because you think a song they sang was corny.", "Plus, a lot of the dislikes on Friday were brigaded. People then were bragging about making multiple accounts to dislike it back in the day, and rallying people to dislike Friday, because they wanted to demoralize Rebecca Black. \n \nShe essentially found herself being treated as Public Enemy #1 over an afternoon, over a song about Fridat", "You are 100% correct. It was so much worse than I remembered... People have tried to intentionally make bad songs and could not achieve what that video accomplished... It might be the best worst thing ever made", "This is a piece of history.", "Listen to some 100 gecs! In the beginning it can sound super harsh, but once you get used to it can seriously slap.", "Holy shit she sounds like a robot\n\nI feel like if I said \"hey Google\" around my phone that's the voice that would answer me", "Lol her parents are rich as fuck, she was just fine.", "Closer is a banger and I will die on this hill.", "She’s still producing music. And it’s not bad. Listen to “worth it for the feeling”.", "It IS a banger, and so is she, and so is her new stuff. She's out there killin' it.", "What an amazing song. Why don't we hear this banger in the clubs ever?", "Seriously what's the point of likes number if I can't have context that I can refer them to and see if the video is shit.", "It’s honestly crazy how little thought went into fully grown adults launching feverish hate campaigns towards literal children and teenagers. \n\nI was a part of it myself, hating people like Justin Bieber when he was like 14, mocking celebs like Brittany when she had her break down. \n\nThe zeitgeist seemed to be something like “if they are rich and successful, they are fair game”. \n\nThe human behind the product was utterly invisible, Brittany was an icon, an emblem of pop music and celebrity. Like a modern day equivalent of a Roman or Greek god. A highly sexualised symbol of youthful fertility, followed by a representation of corruption, excess and insanity.\n\nI’m glad there has been something of a sea change in recent years, we seem to take mental health way more seriously now, and people are generally more sophisticated and informed. But we still have long way to go.", "Yo, same. I thought I remembered it being so bad it was almost endearing, meme worthy, and quoted'able. But no, it's just, bad bad. WTH? This is some Berenstain Bears voodoo.", "Every single thing about that artist, look, voice, production, and video is 100% average nothingness", "You can just turn off displaying your subscriber count in the settings.", "Unironically a bop and I'm thrilled that Rebecca Black was able to make the most of it and have a career how she wants.", "You're welcome. This particular cancer occurs in stages:\n\nStage 1) This shit is fucking terrible.\n\nStage 2) It's stuck in my head, was it really that bad?\n\nStage 3) Yes, it was that bad.\n\nStage 4) It's still stuck in my head and I don't really mind as much.\n\nStage 5) I guess I like it.\n\nYour mileage may vary. One can hope that it goes into remission before stage 4.", "Definitely giving hard Krysten Ritter vibes, damn she got HOT", "> only trashcans and baseball bats\n\nAhh so it got started in Houston eh?", "She donated all the proceeds to the Japanese tsunami appeal.", "In the grater scheme of things, this video isn't in the top 10,000,000 or awful things on YouTube. Just a matter of chance that this one went viral.", "She donated all the proceeds to the Japanese tsunami appeal.", "Or it's the fault of bullies on the internet who decided to harass a child who was just making a fun video with her friends? If she's interested in music (which she seems to be since that's her career now) then a produced song and music video is a pretty rad and supportive gift to get from her parents.", "Although I laughed at the time, you have to feel bad for her now. That must have been rough. Imagine being that age and getting bullied by people all over the world.", "Personally I don't mind the song. I've heard much worse from \"real\" musicians.", "My powers have doubled since the last time we've met.", "It ruined her life, she had to move schools and leave town and became scared of going outside. \n\nI’m not sure “very well” really applies her, I mean, yeah, she’s still alive.", "No you don't understand I can only determine if I like something or not if I can see other peoples votes on likes or dislikes", "\"She's stacked\" - George (Rookie of the Year)", "The sequel to this was hilarious if you know the back story to Friday: https://youtu.be/GVCzdpagXOQ", "It's what people with bad voices do to cover it up. So when you hear it you assume it means the singer sucks", "The Stephen Colbert version is banging.", "just dislike every video in protest \n\n\nspread the word", "Not bad at all, and I don't like pop. Did not realize who she was in that video lmao.", "She is the epitome of never give up.\n\nShe is doing really good [now](https://instagram.com/msrebeccablack?utm_medium=copy_link)", "For me, all these \"no dislikes on this (obviously bad) video, must be great!\" posts are way more irritating than the actual dislikes being gone.\n\n\n\n\nI don't use YouTube bar one guy I really like for the reasons you listed though, so I'm not the target audience.", "Oh, this explains why I think this sounds better now than it did when it came out. I've since been stockholm syndromed into liking hyperpop so I can appreciate the mindlessness of it now.", "I’m always so conflicted because the beginning sounds like the end of Portal 2 and that makes me happy, but then it just starts sucking", "She made a sequel to this song called Saturday which slaps in my opinion and is about the backlash of Friday.", "That’s called embracing the suck, flipping it over, and fucking it while making money.", "Idk what sort of genre [this version is](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1D9t8n0qA) (by Cynical Mass), but it's pretty creepy. Close to 1 million views itself.", "The old ones have awakened.", "It's so unbelievable to me how many people apparently cannot watch any Youtube video now without being tricked or unsure whether they can like something or not. I feel like I'm the crazy one because I don't give a shit about the dislike or like button at all when I am on YT.", "I mean, it is a banger tho", "This was a cultural moment though", "I hosed myself when she was explaining the days of the weekend. Completely forgot about that. What an utter disaster of a song.", "I just realized amongst all these discussions that I've never stopped seeing dislikes on videos. Is my account bugged but in a good way?", "Usually when I watch the Youtube videos I loved in high school I'm unimpressed.\n\nBut this one had me crying laughing.", "I don’t know if this is a parody or the real thing", "Damn that 2nd song is generic af. Never heard it before but feels like I heard it a million times already.", "Is this Insane Clown Posse lyrics? ^/s", "I've gotten death threats for my art. I'm alive. It all comes with being in the public eye. When you come up working your way through the mud and shit of the entertainment industry you are usually better prepared to deal with negative response to your art. Also going through that mud tells you talent and fortitude wise if your art is ready to be in front of millions of people. Again, it sucks she's getting shit on but they way she was put out there with the level of talent and/or training she had (didn't have) , unfortunately she (and her parents) totally deserve what she is getting. They did it to themselves and their lack of ability to see this just makes it even worse for them. It's hard to get sympathy form people, especially people like me who busted their ass and got ground down by the industry the hard way with not a lot to show for it.", "Did you bring that chicken for us to eat?", "Welcome to the twilight zone", "That's even worse.", "I can honestly say I've never once even noticed the like/dislike count. The one exception being that Futurama \"I have no strong opinion one way or the other\" video. \n\nTo my mind, it's a totally useless system outside of weird jokes like that, which are designed to point out how useless the system is.\n\nPerhaps my wicked heart is just filled to the brim with neutrality, who knows.", "No thanks.", "3oh!3? That brought up a lot of memories lol", "Ofcourse!", "> Not bad at all, and I don't like pop.\n\nsounds like you may enjoy hyperpop", "But being Rick rolled is harmless, because it's actually a good song. This...this is just pain", "rip SOPHIE <3", "They just don't make songs like this anymore. Can't believe I hadn't given it a thumbs up before. We should get this up to 2mil", "It was the best of times.\n\nIt was the blurst of times.", "I forgot this song existed, until this morning when it came on the radio at my office. idk who picked what Sirius xm station, but I forgot just how flat and ridiculous it sounded.", "The worst part is i don't think anyone was actually mad at HER for this atrocity's existence, i think at the time we all knew there should have been better adults in the room.", "But I just loaded up Darude - Sandstorm and it still bangs? Maybe what your describing makes the bad ones stand out even more.", "```\nwhile True:\n print(\"FUN \")\n```", "The question is, if dislikes didn't show back then, what would be the outcome?", "If you think thats a Banger, check out the Remix!\n\nNo Dislikes either!\n\nhttps://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y", "Is it on Kendall's playlist though?", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEy5x-vTH4g\n\nShe still makes music, and it's like exponentially better\n\nI can unironically say this is a solid pop song and I listen to it intentionally sometimes", "I fucks with it.", "muchos dislikes", "she's playing here in Toronto on January 15th 2022. tickets are like $30 bucks, so I was considering it just so I could hear \"Friday\" live lol. Good to know there's more than that!", "It should be illegal to bring this song up on a Monday.", "Its like parents who debate on whether to have another kid. Like there’s a maximum threshold of (non-physical/emotional) trauma the brain can accept, and looking back it couldnt have been that bad, right?", "This guys are trying to bring the dislike count back. \nspread the word \nhttps://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/install", "This is an auto-tune disaster", "When this first came out, I learned the Facebook API specifically to automatically post this on my feed every Friday with a random line from the lyrics. It went on for years and everybody hated me, but more importantly they thought I was doing it \"manually\" and that I was just very dedicated. My secret fantasy was that I would die, and this would keep getting posted every Friday and it would be my legacy and people wouldn't understand how it was happening, at least for a little while.\n\nI've been off Facebook for years now, but that was a lot of fun for a long time.", "does anyone knows if youtube may change their mind about the dislike situation. Or maybe there will be third party dislike buttons in the form of a browser extension? It could be a good opportunity to deepen this binary evaluation system.", "This video being posted on Reddit also made her producer some cash again lol.", "I feel like my ears have been raped with a dirty toilet bowl brush.", "All I can hear is Computernerds parody. That was good.", "Wow you put it so well. I never thought specifically about this, but have about other things. \n\nTake Greta Thunberg. It seems so weird to hate someone who tries to help the earth. From people who are pro green giving dumb arguments \"she's dishonest and brain-washed, real passionate activists don't act like that\" to typical right-wing nutjobs having \"Fuck Greta\" stickers on their car, I can tell people don't hate her for the message. It's all about a young girl who shouldn't be so powerful. \n\nFuck our society.", ">in a laps of judgement\n\nlapse* :)", "Lol so this is what you all are getting butt hurt about? \nCan’t be 20+ and shit on a children’s music video.", "How dare you post this on a Monday.", "I mostly listen to punk and hardcore but my guilty pleasure (which I don't hide at all) is hyperpop.", "That took quite a surprising turn.", "Ah yes it's because everyone hates women, not the fact that it's an accoustically terrible song which rich preppy parents paid for so their daughter could feel famous. Also they hired Nigerian rapper who by himself seems decent, but feels entirely out of place in the song. But no, it's because everyone hates women /s", "Now you have a chance to get the pandemic right!", "This song is how I wake my son up for school every Friday.\n\nHe's only 8. By 12 he will have gone insane and murder me for this. \n\nStill worth it for the bit.", "I still don't understand the hate this got. Kid with not much talent gets a song produced and promoted by someone with money. Isn't that half to most the rap, R&B, and pop artists we see all the time?\n\nAnd unlike one of them at least she didn't get charged with murdering her cousin", "Man 2000s YT was so lit.", "It was an objectively attractive young woman singing and dancing provocatively, with sexually provocative lyrics. The entire project was engineered towards the goal of being a sexually arousing piece of media. \n\nDon’t chastise or condemn the human apes (whose entire primary protocol in life is to stay alive long enough to mate) because their brains and body reacted exactly as it’s been conditioned over the course of millions of years of evolution. The Dads at home watching, automatically becoming aroused, are not bad people, they aren’t “perverts”. They are perfectly healthy men. \n\nInstead, the “perverts” are the ones that decided to dress her in a revealing school girls outfit, and have her dance promiscuously in a school while singing about sex and romance, at 16 years of age.", "Wasn’t she like 13? She handled the situation really well for her age.", "This is amazing", "Are you really comparing a horrible song to one of the best movies of its time in Transformers? Transformers blew me away the first time I saw it.", "Her elbows are too sharp, would not bang.", "You've discovered Nostalgia!!", "/r/boneappletea", "Fast Car bleached.", "you see what you want to see.\n\nmark of a simple person.", "Downvote for not reviving this video on a Friday.", "Infamous* there is an incredibly important distinction to be made.", "uh. 2019 wasn't very long ago. Makes sense that a lot of people haven't heard the term before.", "Oh geez I might have to form my own opinion now.", "You know...I saw her perform a couple years back and she wasn't nearly as bad as I expected. She was the opener for Man Man on one of their tours (think she also was a vocalist on one of their new tracks).", "Looking back, it IS and must have been a banger. Maybe I'm misremembering?", "> people just hated it because it was just another girly thing that was popular to hate\n\ntrue, like \"baby\"\n\noh wait...", "I don't know why the hell I said sadly. It is better though. Being self aware adds to the \"betterness\"", "sounds like 100 gecs", "It’s like an AI generated song. \n\n\nFrom a 1993 home PC", "Envy is probably the nastiest of all the deadly sins. And it doesn’t even yield a moment’s gratification.", "It was a compliment, perhaps you lack depth. Wondering who is the simple one. Perhaps you’re what I described in my first comment. Vanish now!", "Wow! That was something!\n\nSounded a bit like I was at the zoo next to the elephant enclosure. Also the elephant was horny.", "People need to learn where to draw the line. Teasing in the comments or joking about the song being bad is fine. Tracking her down to message and harass her directly for recording a bad song that got popular? Fuck people man.", "That... is somehow even worse than the original. I'm honestly impressed.", "Damn nobody hates this song anymore?", "Yeah, so bad it's going straight on my playlist", "This needs to be the new Rick Roll.", "Holy shit you were not kidding.", "Yeah. It’s worse than I remember it.", "I fuckin love it.", "Also the people who liked this must have been tone def.", "I checked her new music a few months ago, there are some good stuff in there I saved in my playlists. Very impressive how she managed to turn around all the crap she got at a young age and now a pretty good artist.\n\nFor sure I would've wiped my existence from the web and lived a low key life forever after being bullied like she was.", "My favorite kazoo kid video is this: https://youtube.com/shorts/25yivsPSWuo?feature=share", "This song killed my cat.", "Well, at least it's got more likes since... [Rebecca Black - Friday](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)", "It was actually written overnight before the production of the video since Rebecca didn't want to do the love song the producer had originally written. [The podcast Decoder Ring did a great episode on it](https://slate.com/podcasts/decoder-ring/2020/05/rebecca-blacks-friday-ark-music-factory-viral-youtube-pop).\n\nIt was never intended to be a popular song. It was basically a fancy demo reel to help highschool students get into arts/theater programs.\n\nEdit: [written version of the podcast I mentioned above](https://slate.com/culture/2020/05/rebecca-black-friday-oral-history.html)", "> Nah I think we’re over making fun of her. \n\nLooks at the rest of the threads.\n\nNope. People still aren't done.", "Music still pretty crappy. Can't decide if I find her hot or not.", "I personally love [Worth It For The Feeling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c) by her. Such a cool vibe!", "It’s Pi day Pi day\n\nHell yes Seattle", "lol what a weirdo", "Money can do that to a person.", "We so excited", ">it's only a notch or two below most mainstream pop songs\n\nNot even fucking close and this says a lot about how you feel about modern pop music. There's plenty of legitimately very good pop music. Yes, even the \"mainstream\" stuff.\n\n>People just hated it because it was just another girly thing that was popular to hate, like Twilight.\n\n...no, it was just bad. The lyrics were awful, the way she enunciated the words was awful, the monotone singing was awful, the super goofy dancing in the video was awful, it was just all around bad.", "I had no idea who bbno$ was and thought that he was just a tiny effeminate looking dude dancing with some other random dude in drag. Didn't realize that was him as the lady and Rebecca in drag also until the end of the video. Enjoyed the song as well.", "Lmao this is a joke post right?", "Off topic but anyone know where/how the term fischer-price came from? I've heard it a lot and google just pulls up the company itself. Does it mean expensive?", "Ha! This Is The End reference.", "Your words have no power here, filth", "Imo this post is about YouTube's shitty policy. It's not about her song. \n\n\nYouTube's new policy makes it so that even universally hated content can appear positively liked. OP chose this song because of how well known it is, but it's a deeper discussion of the policy change and how subtle it will be for others. \n\nThis change is purely for companies. Prevents bad PR mishaps and can make them look better than reality would suggest. Instead of fixing the issues that make the public dislike their content they decided to force the change with money and just hide the negativity. \n\nIt's an Instagram-esque face lift for Companies.", "> She can make $1 million/year easily with that level of following.\n\nNot even remotely close from just youtube and instagram.", "I believe that's the point.", "lol look at you", "Did Nappa ever finish writing a cover of this song? I bet it's surprisingly good.", "i mean, i listen to it.", "It's just the one lap actually", "Lmao", "But you were aspen for it.", "I had honestly thought Red Dress dethroned this one. But then I listened to this again an man....its a tough call.", "A relic of the auto-tune era", "Metal Friday anybody?\nhttps://youtu.be/pi00ykRg_5c", "This disklike thing is so fucking stupid. My friend was looking for a tutorial to hookup his dashcam hardwired and now you can't tell the ratio of up/down votes so you don't know if youre watching a decent tutorial or not. Fuck this decision.", "It's all good, you not knowing what the hell that is probably means you spend a healthy amount of time offline", "Is bleeding from the ears a normal reaction?", "he thinks he's gandalf", "I mean you're not wrong it is a banger", "hope to get this comment as high as possible. her collabs with [dorian electra](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsjqnYbsDO4) and [bbno$](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHC-Iy7cac0) are wild\n\n- the hyperpop reactionaries are adorable 😂\n- [laughs in androgyny](https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y)\n- [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c) one looks to be her fan favorite\n- lukewarm [take](https://youtu.be/gGsrzYoJ1OE?t=8) for the road", "I don't think I ever heard the song. only heard about it. IS this what it really sounded like????", "More like beccaballed.", "This is worse than the original", "[Or Friday In Hell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1D9t8n0qA&ab_channel=BloodDrunkStudios)", "This one was far more exciting than the original. I watched it twice.", "She was 13 when she did this. Despite the hate and the Internet abuse, she continues to write and perform music and is really quite good. I'm glad that she is doing well.", "I love to annoy my wife with the remix whenever we're in the car cause she doesn't like it\n\nEdit: a word", "Hahaha alright, dude", "Wtf did I just watch?", "You monster", "Holy shit that's somehow so much worse than the original", "Was this change supposed to have happened already? I can still see dislikes both in the app and browser (4 million btw), it never disappeared for me.", "It's somehow even more unlistenable than the original. It wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the awful pitch shifted and autotuned vocals.", "Don't know if its worse or just equally bad.\n\nBut now she's fully owned it, so you have to give her some cred for that", "The extension says 4m dislikes. 25% ratio for that song ain't bad tbh", "If that was a ghostwriter who made these lyrics, he should be maimed. I forgot how bad this was fuck you op lol", "So much autotune", "Not at all. I used to struggle with anxiety. Most of it centering around not feeling normal because I was an introvert that did not want to socialize and go out on the weekends like my friends in school. I was over it by the time I heard that cover. But it immediately reminded me about that time in my life and that is how I have perceived this song ever since. I never go back and listen to the original, but when ever this song is brought back up here on reddit, I go back and listen to Matt's cover a few times.", "Lol, this jealous ‘po boy.", "That is fucking horrible. \n\nWhat's weirder is that a few years ago she released a \"sequel\" called Saturday that's...[actually really good](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVCzdpagXOQ)", "Dislike 👎", "“Fun fun think about fun” kills me every time \n\nThink about fun?", "It *IS* a banger.", ">Ah yes it's because everyone hates women, not the fact that it's an accoustically terrible song which rich preppy parents paid for so their daughter could feel famous. \n\nthat's 98% of music today and back then too", "Hyper-pop. Dorian Electra is [a very unique artist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1Of_OBUjw). This is at least the second song they did together, [\"Edgelord\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsjqnYbsDO4) being the other one.", "That's actually the same add-on :D", "welp i'ma do this now, not cool.", "Nobody is saying that. Obviously the title of OP's post is a joke. The important part is, there needs to be some visual metric of quality attached to videos. Especially considering there are millions of videos being uploaded constantly.\n\nI never thought I'd see the day people actually defending youtube's backwards practices", "it's the fucking heat that's what it is", "I mean the vocals are obviously highly edited on that track lol. I'm not saying she isn't a good singer now, I have no idea, but that track isn't evidence of that", "I prefer Conan O'Brien's \"Thursday\" https://youtu.be/hAFau7OGS1U", "I should show you all the stuff on twitter of middle aged women salivating over young mens dick bulges and treating them like meat objects. Humans are perverted and gross. Both genders.", "If this is sarcasm, you need to work on your sarcasm. If it's not, you need to work on your hyperbole. I'd it's not hyperbole, then I don't know if there's any help for you.", "Feels like Michael Alig took over Yo Gabba Gabba", "For this song? Yep.", "And don't forget about the [accoustic version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CBzT2pv1Jc)..", "How about clicking on this for some real talent? (please break this guy's channel, I love his covers)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\\_9T7QbEBGsw&ab\\_channel=namthiX", "Bad Lip Reading of this is so good", "John Cooper Clarke - Evidently Chickentown \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB3NlOUg-ps", "Her webredemption on Tosh.0 was funny: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0XAoS7t8qs", "The first one was just a bad song that got popular for being bad. This version is an affront to music itself.", "+ epilepsy", "Banger? ‘Ardly know ‘er!", "It’s as good as any Disney-teenage hit and, IMHO, is better because she wrote it. \n\nI like the innocence of what a teenager would be concerned about: (which seat should I take in my friend’s crowded car?).", "It’s a joke", "nah it only bangs because it's nostalgic for you, a good song is a good song, think of a gif you really like that's been reuploaded over and over and switched formats multiple times, it's going to look like crap but you're still going to love what it is. A good song could be recorded on a handheld cassette recorded with an acoustic guitar in a coffee shop with horrible acoustics and you'll still like that song. but i doubt 10 years down the road you'll listen to that crappy recording from a handheld tape and think that it sounded like quality stuff back then.", "Sandstorm will never not bang", "wooo yeah yeah yeaeeeaahh yeeeahhyahha hhehahhhhahhh", "it’s produced by dylan brady of 100 gecs", "install return youtube dislikes addon", "[And this if you want to feel dirty again.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlY3ZTrBkw)", "My 6 year old son and I have been listening to this song every Friday morning for about 4 years. He loves it and gets him pumped up for school and the weekend to follow. I've even learned most of the rapping part since he can't keep up with it. It's turned into a very special song for me.", "Jack my swag", "!!!! OMFG there needs to be a NSFEpileptics tag.", "She got to be in a Katy Perry music video off of it at least", "There are browser extensions that will show the Dislike count again. Mine still works as far as I'm aware, I think.", "It's not really comparable. Greta gets hate because Trump saw an opportunity to attach another rallying flag for his base to her. \nJust like the take a knee shit, BLM and pretty much everything else which has a tendency to divide opinions down party lines.\n\nRebecca Black on the other hand, whilst appears to be a nice person, produced a very shitty song.", "Making a music video like that ain't cheap. I knew it was financed by rich folk since she's too young to be making that kind of money.", "Yes, because that's the two groups of people here: dudes who innocently saw her on tv & her producers. \n \nDefinitely not legions of creepy middle aged adults actively seeking out, sharing, discussing, jerking off, and obsessing over teen stars. /s", "It's like 2011 reddit took a shit and masturbated into it. Jesus.", "Thanks to The Sopranos for introducing me to Evidently Chickentown.", "Fuck yeah", "My ears will never forgive me for clicking that link.", "As someone who has never heard of her before and tried to listen to a little of that video, her voice was pretty terrible and grating.", "I didn't think it could get worse than the original, but they nailed it!", "> I mean, the song isn't that bad anyway, it's only a notch or two below most mainstream pop songs,\n\nHahahahaha. Yes, it is, and no it fucking isn't. Jesus christ.", "[She made a cool track with bbno$](https://youtu.be/dHC-Iy7cac0)", "As a kid, I actually liked this song.\n\nWhen I listened to it now, I almost puked. Jesus Christ my taste was bad.", "Well, at least her advertising team has gotten better.\n\nI'm still not going to listen to her music though.", "I forgotten it. Came back.\n\nIts actually fuckin worse", "that explains that", "Yeah, being fingerblasted mostly.", "[The Decoder Ring podcast did a fantastic deep dive into this song, the making, where she is now, etc.](https://open.spotify.com/episode/3fY7SYMcNygsJ1XAiHO9FG?si=N1Z4N6MKQR2lDRt5YBnuhQ)", "Modern crunkcore. Like brokencyde \n\nI like Charli xcx but that's about it", "There sure is a big difference between 14 and 24.", "Might have to start Rebecca Rolling now", "I mean it's a bad song but the badness to hate ratio tends to be out of wack if the fans or the creator is a teenage girl, see Justin Bieber and twilight as well.", "Have I brought this chicken for us to thaw?", "One of the greatest features of all time. Whats that guy up to", "But not Stomp? Also is there even a song in that thing you linked? It's worse than the worst dubstep I can think of. Who knew you could try to do so much with only a single little 8 beat measure?", "I came here to post that \"Saturday\" unironically slaps.", "Ngl, this was an ear worm song for me. To this day my ex-wife starts off any conversation that takes place on Friday with “ don’t you dare say i (referring to “gotta get down on Friday”.", "Sucks. I blame her rich parents trying to force her music career into happening.\n\nWell, idk if trying is the right word, because she is in the industry now.", "Still...", "You haven’t played the song in a while, have you? do it. I dare you to tell me this isn’t horrible.", "Oh yes a mastery of suckage. Cringey teenage music video? Check. Poorly written lyrics? Check. Horrible autotuned “talk singing”? Check. The vanity project of a spoiled rich kid? Check.\n\nWho would dislike such a thing?", "ooooooh\n\nthat's kinda nice tho", "It's baaaaack!", "“my friend is on my right” is my favorite line.", "A banger indeed.", "She looks like Jane from breaking bad", "\"My hand is a dolphin!\" was always my favorite part lol. Glad it's been appreciated", "Why", "People really gravely underestimate how big production elements are. Bad engineers, bad recordings, and even the final mastering all lead to musics reception. \n\nNot saying that Friday is some masterpiece in the making. But it could have been substantially better. Ultimately my point is the singer themselves is only enabled by the team around them.", "Rebecca Black is that one girl in school people bullied and then years later she turns into a supermodel.", "You're right about that, but this song receives a lot of hate that seems pretty well justified. It's only hope of propagation is getting stuck in your head. It's like Ben Shapiro in that sense. I think a lot of music written by women in pop is way better than \"Friday\". \"Friday\" is like a dark, bizzarro, try too hard version of party in the USA.", "> Now I just feel like I’ve been rickrolled\n\nBecause it's such a good song?", "or a proper porn", "Join the ArchiveTeam project to backup all the dislikes!\n\nhttps://tracker.archiveteam.org/youtube-dislikes/", "Such a banger. She even got the founder of TikTok to rap in it before he blew up.", "I saw the post and went...Poor Rebecca Black she got so much shit and the song wasn't even that like super bad.\n\nclicks.\n\nOh damn...oh no.....\n\nSeems how our brains process memories is more benevolent than we thought.", "How do those work? YouTube has some sort of public api that releases that data its just not shown in the html?", "lotta hyperpop haters in here", "Fischer-price makes kids toys that can be found at any walmart or target. Nothing special about them. Nothing good but also nothing super bad. \n\nGeneric even.\n\nFischer-price may not be as ubiquitous now as it they were in the 80's and 90's, but most kids during that era remember playing with these toys.", "It really is a banger. I have neighbors banging on my door every friday morning as a blast this and sing along in the shower", "I mean, I feel like this just sums up the entire difference of innocence of childhood vs the responsibilities of adulthood. Like if that is the worst thing you have to worry about... lol\n\nI forgot how bad that song is...", "157m views, I'm sure she's doing just fine.", "My girlfriend loves her now. Rich kids can buy any career they want", "Is there a chrome extension that shows thumbs up ratio per views video got? \n\nI know it's not as accurate as the thumbs down, but right now it'll be the best we have", "You can tell it's fun by how many times they mention the word, like all fun things must do. Like this comment, which mentions fun three times!", "Yeah, the beat is not terrible.\n\nThe lyrics are just putrid.", "I like saying \"Get the fuck out of here!\" like the Pork chop sandwiches video, also by rebecca black", "3Oh!3 has been working a lot with 100Gecs and Dylan Brady, too. Hyperpop is the fuckin future.", "i've never heard this song until now. now i know why. \n\nwhat a waste of time for everyone involved.", "fuck yeah, same\n\nDanny L Harle's album is just end to end bangers", "Fuck the Astros.", "They directed segments of \"Personal\" as well", "It's so funny that it's so bad. I remember there was an EDM song I liked that she did the vocals for and she actually can sing well, idk what happened here lmao.", "It is Monday though, WHAT DAY IS TOMORROW?!?", "So uh, do all of you responding with this poignant critique actually think that making quality music was their primary goal when putting this thing together? I'm really curious why a dozen of you felt compelled to weigh in with this obvious, dumb take.", "Exactly.\n\nAlso why do you need YouTube dislikes to tell you if a song is banger or not?", "Cheaterpop", "I think Bieber gets more hate, or used to, than a thousand Becca Blacks. But he's an outlier.\n\nThere are definitely instances of songs failing because of disdain for women. I don't think this is one of them. This song is just impressively bad imo.", "Yeah exactly. She’s definitely in the rare percentage of people that can take ridicule that bad and come out on top, without any really face-saving needed. \n\nRhonda Rousey is an example that popped into my head recently of somebody who did not take ridicule or setbacks very well and she has since faded into total obscurity.", "It actually………grew on me NGL", "Girlfriend by Rebecca Black is unironically pretty good if you like bubble gum pop.", "She got bullied out of public schooling. 😔", "it's not fellow kids when it IS kids. she sang honestly about the stuff going on in her life, which happens to be the same vapid stuff going on in most teenager's lives", "I prefer the Christopher Walken version", "Eh", "It's so strange, it sounded so different to how I remembered it", "Really disgusting the way she was treated. Its actually pretty cool what she did. Instead of getting a boxef gift she got to make a music video and put herself out there. The song is not a chart topper but for a 15 year old having a bit of a fun on her birthday, its not actually that bad. For every Lady Gaga hit there are are about 5 Lady Gaga songs that are as bad if not worst than Friday. For Black Eyed Peas, the number is closer to 10. But unlike Black Eyed Peas she didn't ruin a classic folk song.", "You should have waited a few days to post it", "It's... very generous...", "Hyperpop is a very popular genre now, it must just not be your thing.", "Fuck me sideways but i actually enjoy this song for how fucking cringe it is.", "She did a cover of [Havana](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xOEasowLuI) a few years ago.", "WHICH SEAT CAN I TAKEEEEEEE", "is this real???", "Does this work on mobile?", "\"No dislikes\". you show a complete lack of understanding of how YouTube shows certain statistics. This is exactly why they got rid of the dislike counter; hated videos can be drudged up again to earn internet points", "I know right, I just listened to DON'T TRUST ME for the first time since I was at uni when it came out, that's some strong nostalgia right there. Nostalgia with a whiff of too many vodka and red bulls.", "50, with 2 red flags, 4 safety cars, and one weird brake check", "All the people shaking their pitchforks over the precious thumbcounts are making me realize how addictive this stuff all is. Not necessarily in this topic, but in general.", "It was in Red Notice.", "There's tons of way older electronic music bangers that don't sound fundamentally different from things done to day, apart from the genre. So maybe that's a factor, but I don't think it's a big one.", "My hand is dolphin!", "That’s called hyperpop dawg", "I unironically love this song.", "What a terrible take. YouTube has a monopoly on the video sharing world, it's either this or Facebook and zuck has already made sharing videos a chore.\n\n\nYou know how many people would dump YouTube If there was another competitor? Shit, you think YouTube would have even done this if there was a competitor?\n\n\n\nYou're being a corporate apologist for legitimately no reason, do you want a pay to play world? Where only content that is being sponsored reaches your eyes? Where a terrible video has nothing but praise?\n\n\n\nTwitter can get away with it because they have never had the feature nor are they the most dominant company in social media - YouTube is - they have nobody competing with them. \n\n\n\nWhere are we gonna go? Vimeo? Dailymotion? Pornhub? YouTube has crossed over into the public as the standard of video sharing, there is no alternative. The dislike button is not just some tool used by trolls, it's a tool used by the masses. If something is heavily disliked, that would mean it either is objectively terrible or it is so piss poor that people are actually so mad that they come together to dislike the video en masse. Both are acceptable uses of the button, you are underplaying its significance.\n\n\n\nYou sound like an old curmudgeon who doesn't like it when people get royally pissed off at a company for a legitimate transgression - why are you taking the side of a company that has fucked over it's content creators, spat on the consumer, and eliminated all competitors with no consequences? They have railroaded the consumer into using YouTube because it is the only viable video sharing website - why are you defending them? Their corporate direction is straight up cancerous, their shareholders put the dollar before any user on the platform. Do you want this site to have complete dominance over their customer? That is what you are advocating for.", "I did too. I never left any comments anywhere but I can't imagine how world altering and difficult that must have been for her. She was just a dumb kid making a goofy video. hopefully she is making it work for herself.", "I agree with you but god damn, \"tell me you're x without saying you're x\" is sooo fucking played out at this point", "Yes this song is trash but she came up on my Spotify a bit ago and is much better now, so good for her \nhttps://open.spotify.com/track/0dKCtdoAH23AWJ5FBVbMmH?si=rDaj_s1qT4C2ioqxyD2B3g&utm_source=copy-link", ">who's\n\nwhose", "Some type of purgatory where this song continually plays", "Before ads, before monetization, when making videos was a fun hobby, not a career.", "Still has dislikes in Canada", "I think about this a lot. Like wtf was wrong with her parents letting their 15/16 year old be super sexualized like that, especially with her David LaChapelle shoot. The whole “jailbait” shtick they had her do was super inappropriate and probably did a lot of damage to her mental well-being.", "It’s not even a Friday. How dare you post this on a Monday.", "idk they still sound 'dated' to me. But maybe it's like a blue/green dress situation we have going on or something, it definitely sounded strange to me in more than just a this sounds older than i remember way.", "It's the same issue in each case. You see a video with a lot of likes, might as well check it out. Then your hear the music and realize there must be a hidden mountain of dislikes, and click away. Yeah, it probably doesn't take as long to figure out a music video is bad as it does for a tutorial, but most viewers have already watched two ads on the video by then. It's all about making people watch more ads.", "I always wash it out with [Death Metal Friday](https://youtu.be/pi00ykRg_5c). It switches gears to metal about 20s in, and by 30ish seconds it's starting to really thrash.", "I love this song! \"Gang fight, gang fight, the gang is down to fight, yeah! Have I brought this chicken for us to eat?\"", "As a Nine Inch Nails fan, I was really confused for a moment thinking that Rebecca Black did a cover of them. But then I remembered NIN does not have a monopoly on the name \"Closer\" and now I'm somewhat bummed to realize she did not cover it.", "I think you accidentally a word", "Friday Demonic Version\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ti1D9t8n0qA", "Wow she’s so charming.", "Remember when people got upset about this song existing?", "It’s easy to pile on when it’s relevant but most people these days, if you bring it up, will go “hahaha yeah what a wild time when that song came out. Anyways…”\n\nEveryone knows her parents paid for the whole kit and caboodle and they just wanted to set her up well. Of course she’s the one that took the most heat given her name, face, and horribly altered voice were on the product while the major cringe happened behind the scenes but like I said, she handled it extremely well and is doing quite well for herself.\n\nIt also shed a lot of light on cyber-bullying and the effects it can have.\n\nEdit: It’s kind of like relying on a nearly 15 year old joke for a genuine laugh. Not really that funny in the end. Even if you do laugh about it, it’s most likely a recollection of when that joke was new, rather than the actual material.", "I liked her [collab with BBNO$](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dHC-Iy7cac0)", "[Indeed](https://youtu.be/m_S0qCeA-pc)", "FTA", "There's actually a lot of great channels out there still. On the surface it may look like garbage, but spend some time liking and disliking things, following the channels you enjoy, and get the algorithm to start curating content you actually like.", "Good description hahaha", "She really did. I remember an interview with her being asked why she chose that song versus typical pop love songs about boys and all that and she said somethingalong the lines of \"I'm young, I don't have any experience with boys and dating or heartbreak, how to I sing a song and relate to something that I don't know about yet?\" I thought it was a very mature response for a girl her age being thrust into the teen pop scene.", "Better than despacito.", "‘Fun, fun, think about fun, you know what it issssss” dam that’s funny", "Her song Foolish is actually pretty good. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9ivdRyuKVI", "Don't let the world change you ❤️", "I think the word he accidentally was \"make\".", "i recall hearing something about the fbi investigating death threats at the time.\n\nher remix of friday looks like she's turned into cybergoth miley cyrus. not sure i'd call that doing great.", "My 6 year old son and I have been listening to this song every Friday morning for about 4 years. He loves it and gets him pumped up for school and the weekend to follow. I've even learned most of the rapping part since he can't keep up with it. It's turned into a very special song for me.", "I know I'm showing my age here, but\n\n> bbno$\n\nWhat the hell kind of name is that? Looks like a computer error. He tried to register with a 256-character name and the birth certificate printer threw an exception.", "I'll never understand how a girl making a silly song got her so much hate. Yeah, it was bad, but how on earth does that deserve death threats? The way people behave is often so baffling and discouraging. Glad she's doing better now.", "We got party hats, par-tee hats!", "Stephen Colberts version is the best.", "Who are you to say he cant love is wife?", "fuck off this song is literally not even that bad. Kinda catchy too. Why doesn't this trash ever get into the worst songs ever lists? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TH5ibABP4U", "Literally the only problem I have with any of this is the random grown ass man featured. I know he’s the producer guy or whatever, but it’s always felt unsettling.", "Was not expecting that to be a masterpiece", "This is not that version but yes they did that", "This is one of the fattest L’s. Can’t believe we forgot about this", "Wow, that one doesn't have any dislikes either!", "YouTube changed the dislike button. It's no longer public.", "Hyperpop is using the tools and methods of current modern pop to be as wild and experimental as you can get while still remaining in the conventions of the genre.", "For real, it is like a integer overflow. So bad that it is good.", "It is a banger tho, it came out while i was at uni and you can be sure it was played at parties every friday for months", "So she got bullied for making shit music, and now everyone pities her. It just emboldened her to make more shit music. Except she’s now an adult and she’s got no excuse.", "If anyone is willing to give me back the last 10 seconds of my life in which I listened to this song, it would be much appreciated.", "My only friend, the end...", "Relatively? The parents spend like 4 figures.", "I only remember the Annoying Orange parody of this song.", "Nice, that's a pretty chill song.", "Right? \"I'm not that innocent\" was eww.", "Ok 10 years ago, i feel old.", "Honestly I am pretty old and I try not to use youtube to often so I didnt see the removal of the dislike button affecting me. Then last night happened. I am a terrible sleeper so a lot of the time I put on tranquil music/images to try to nod off to. \n\nWell, some mother fucker has decided to put ads every 5 or so minutes through their \"tranquil sleep video\" and well you cant dislike the video - bastard was hearting comments saying that he shouldnt put ads but I guess he doesnt care because hes still getting the first ads money. \n\nUtterly ridiculous design flaw. I feel for those of you that use youtube more often", "why is this song bad? its fun and I love comical songs. as good as any Weird Al songs.", "I saw this and was like yeah this song is horrible. I didnt think it was possible but it sounds worse than i remember it", "https://youtu.be/6cN3Ru84r8c if you can’t handle the profanity", "I will forever hear this song through image and every so often on a Friday it pops into my head. I hate this song but I will never be able to forget it.", "She didn't write the song.", "Can we talk about how Rebecca black is a legit good singer though? Some of her newest stuff is really good. She might need a song writer but she is very talented .\n\nhttps://youtu.be/3TKt3IAwG0c", "I guess being strong willed was too much to ask", "Well of course hate over a pop song and political clash is a totally different scale... \n\nBut the fact stays that people hate her without even knowing why. As I said, even pro green people have said bad stuff about her.", "Y'all ever notice the dude at 1:55 100% slaps her on the ass?", "> except it being infamous and you're a teen.\n\nUhh... do you know ANYTHING about Britney Spears?", "It sounds different. Has it always sounded like this?", "The song is catchy as hell, though.", "sadly its not what i thought it would be, but i guess this song has way more then 1.3 million likes.", "I'd hesitate to call it \"very\" popular. It's still very niche, despite people (me) wanting it to be the future of pop.", "Fuck you I met her and she was super nice I'll defend Rebecca black until I DIE", "2017 World Series Champion Astros", "For anyone wondering, don't look up modern britney spears. It's just not pleasant, not even funny in the Shia LaBeouf way. Just sad in every sense of the word.", "Agree.\n\nWent looking for a live Acapella, couldn't find one, but in this you can definitely hear more of her natural voice in there unlike the above example.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/oC0z1d8WT8s", "I wish I could get as much negative attention at Rebecca Black", "Even through it all, she continues to put out music now and again and honestly, it's pretty good.", "it's not justified just because it sucks, people don't rage about obscure songs, books or shows they don't like, they say \"it's shit\" and move on", "Always felt bad for her, she did not deserve the hate she got.", "I forgot how god awful this song was.", "Hey look, the same week abortion rights in America are rescinded, /u/MrBubbles226 is going to tell everyone that America doesn't hate young women.", "Fuuuckin hell, I got creeped by the picture. \nFelt like waking up in the last decade. Well, brb, firing up MW2 on my PS3 and playing 10+ hours a day", "You got to the hyperpop part already? I was still googling “lesbian”!", "Girlfriend is a banger", "Great comment lol", "Yo, does she just badly sing \"Friday Friday, gotta get down on Friday\" over and over? I skipped ahead like four or five times, and each time after it buffered was just ear splitting \"Friday, Friday\"", "The friend with the weird arm movement still makes me laugh so bad.", "Gotta have that ratio somehow.", ">The zeitgeist seemed to be something like “if they are rich and successful, they are fair game”.\n\nNowadays people call this \"punching up\" in some attempt to justify it, but IMO it's still harmful and cruel no matter who you're punching at.", "She's just not a good artist, she deserved the hate lol", "It's like we comforted our brains \"it's not that bad, it's not that bad\" as we watched it in horror.", "If this song was released at 1.25x speed in 2021 it would be passable hyperpop without a remix.", "Worked for Kim Kardashian", "https://returnyoutubedislike.com/", "I think the lyrics are ok. It's supposed to be a song for kids. It was never meant to be for adults. \n\nMuch better than a 10 y.o. prancing around singing 'I want to ride your disco stick'", "Lets be honest. The kind of parents who hire their daughter a production company to make a music video for her crappy song are the EXACT kind of parents that would buy her implants.", "I feel old", "KK trap mix slaps way harder than anything like it should.", "I mean its got dislikes, you just can't see them anymore.", "I don't understand why Youtube still allow this data to be fetched on the API when they made such a big deal about how it was hurtful to creators for people to see how many dislikes they got.", "This is so mean. Why would you do this to us? I had this damn song stuck in my head for a year!", "Is that first song what kids are into now a days?", "She’s actually not at all bad to be honest, in a guilt pleasure pop kinda way. I liked her song [Sweetheart](https://youtu.be/-siN6s05cGc) at least.", "I have to assume LMFAO was busy.", "I guess at the time. Very few people here who was around for her rise in the 90's was actually 30 years old tho. Some weren't even born yet.", "She did get bullied a lot and is a poster child of why they got rid of dislikes", "[oh yeah? 12 million likes, not a single dislike](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)", "The legions you speak include the producers OP was talking about. They are the perverts making the media for the other perverts.", "Bring back dislike counter", "Check her out on Tosh.0", "Oh shit what day is it?", "bbno$ was responsible for [this hit tiktok song](https://youtu.be/N2Y2vQ-1m7M?t=16) most known for the first 10 seconds.", "We couldn't just let this die could we", "That was actually pretty good. I mostly listen to metal, so I won't be a long-time listener, but I can respect when a song is put together well.", "I understood the words \"modern\" and \"but that's about it\"", "Just need to get yourself the Dislike extension, then you can see those 4 million downvotes in all their glory. Seriously, I'm so glad I got this as I need to see those downvotes so I don't waste my time on awful \"how to\" videos that don't really show you how to (or show you the wrong way to do it, which is surprisingly often).\n\nAlso, fuck YouTube for making me have to get an extension for something that should simply be there.", "OK, I am going to go out on a limb and use an analogy that you may or may not relate to. Did you ever play Zelda games on N64 or even DS? When I remember those games, I remember them in HD, smooth, ama amazing looking games. I recently pulled out on and oh wow, they were jagged pixels but as soon as I stop playing, I still imagine it in HD :) I think it's like that, except for something so much worse like this song. I absolutely had no idea it was this bad.", "the no dislike button really pissed off you incels", "Being rich doesn't make being the laughingstock of the internet and bullied relentlessly go away, though. It makes recovery easier, yes, but it doesn't make those things disappear.", "Some people you just can't help", "That's fucking awful", "I wish.", "ok i have no idea who this person is. \n\nif this was a random highschool kid that made her own music video on her laptop it sems the hate is misplaced. \n\nyea its kinda cringey but wtf do you expect from a 15 year old. way better than the mv me and my friends tried to make with a camcorder at that age", "no worse than any of the other ones", "It's like rotting fruit, it was bad yesterday, it is much worse today.", "Is there a free video platform that's better than Youtube?", "Mom: we have katy perry at home", "Personally I hate it but it's just because of the genre. Definitely not my thing lol", "I died a few years ago\nBut seven now this video makes me want to die", "Look at lyric police over here. It’s a catchy tune with some bad lyrics. She deserved neither the fame nor hate. Move the fuck on.", "Just as vapid and brainless as the blessed diva songstress herself.", "America hates women more than it loves guns. America hating women is not why this song is bad. The song is bad because it's low budget pop trash. People can hate this song without hating women. Saying misogyny is why this song failed is being very misleading.", "I had never laughed so hard in my life the first time I heard this.", "It's a joke", "Naw. The lyrics are bad, and the instrumentals themselves also sound terrible. The only positive thing one can say about this track is that it was on tempo.", "SHE WAS 13 GUYS!! C'mon already...", "I don't really get the hate. The song's lyrics may be cringy and the rap part is atrocious but I like the vibe otherwise.", "I dont know who this is, but it is this supposed to be a parody song or something real from the Disney channel or something?\n\nIt sounds like something AI would have generated... and the actors in the video seem like they were forced to do this", "Lapse \nJudgment ", "What about iOS?", "but, what do you think the lyrics REALLY mean?", "This post is too genZ for my addled millennial brain.", "It was so good she even made a sequel. It was called.... wait for it... Saturday.", "Hey, it's Friday for someone. Relax and enjoy.", "[My Agenda](https://youtu.be/lq9PJsS3-EY) and all of their videos in the \"turning the frogs gay\" series are fucken incredible.", "They aren't rich as fuck. Maybe comfortably middle class as a pair of veterinarians but that's all.\n\nThese pop videos were a package deal offered by a solo producer and ran between $3-6K for everything. Friday was $4K.\n\nNot cheap, sure, but it was meant to be a bit of fun the kids could show their friends. It wasn't the usual case of mummy and daddy buying their child a pop career.", "yep! it's a genre called hyperpop, imo gen-z's best export", "FUN FUN FUN FUN \nLOOKING FORWARD TO THE WEEEEEEKEND", "The producer seems to make a bunch of similar stuff for what I assume to be the daughters of wealthy parents\n\nLook for a Thanksgiving song or one about Chinese food", "Jokes on u :), I've got Return utube dislike - 4 million dislikes and counting!", "I am not saying misogyny is why this song failed, I am saying misogyny is why we remember and are still talking about this song.", "You know, she did this for a birthday party. She was a kid. How fucked up people are.", "If you need dislikes to figure out this song isn’t a banger that’s on you lol", "Yeah I hadn't actually heard it in so long I thought the meme-y version everyone sang was the real version. Wow the real version is so much worse.", "People expressing disdain on Reddit? Must be a one off thing.", "Im old enough to know that nothing online lasts forever, and yet still find things like this upsetting. The dislikes were a big part of what made so many videos famous.", "Get YouTube dislikes back. Spread the word: https://returnyoutubedislike.com/install", "the internet treated this young girl horribly..", "OP is Rebecca Black’s secret account looking to boost views on her own video\n\nTryna make some mortgage payments yo", "great. Now I'm going to have that song stuck in my head for god knows how long", "It turns out, in the end, Rebecca Black wins the game of Youtube.", "Y’all fucking clowning this song SLAPS and if you don’t blast this shit at full volume after work on a Friday you are wasting your time on earth!!\n\n/s", "Stop believing random celebrity net worth sites. They are not accurate.", "Ha! You are giving off a rapey vibe to Emma Watson", "Yeah, she had to get home schooled because of the bullying. That's gotta fuck with you.", "God damn, listening to this song gave me ear cancer", "I’m frankly surprised by how many shit humans are revealing themselves itt. How does anyone have strong opinions about a tune that has come and gone?", "It's not even Friday it's Monday. You monster.", "which was a huge hit, now imagine if it not only was a flop but it was also spread everywhere and hated for it being a flop unlike other musiicans who's flops are forgotten about. Based on wiki, her first tour was an opening act for Nsync. We're really comparing apples and oranges", "Her parents weren’t rich.", "How do you use auto tune and still make the song sound monotone?", "There’s only one available in the video, it’s not like she has much of a choice.", "\"Edgelord\" is definitely wild but gotta say that \"Yoga\" is actually pretty dope. I'm definitely diggin that.", "They just fucking hated Fridays I guess.", "I had to Google Taylor Hicks to remember who that was", "I'd prefer Clowncore, personally.", "I mean... that song went Gold on the charts.", "Because the lyrics has no substance. Like the lines \"Kickin' in the front seat, sittin' in the back seat, gotta make my mind up, which seat can I take?\" has no relation to Friday, which is what the song is suppose to be about.\n\nI'm not saying this just to shit on Rebecca Black because I actually do like one of her later songs \"The Great Divide\".", "The internet hates innocent fun if it gets popular.", "Still a bop", "No luck lapping them judgments then?", "A man of culture I see", "I get what you guys are saying, and I agree in theory. But those lyrics are just trash. Generic and forgettable? That would be fine, given the context. But when you're a professional songwriter and you're shipping a set of lyrics that include the lines \"Tomorrow is Saturday/And Sunday comes after wards\" you're just a hack. Or, you have so little respect for your clients that you're actively fucking with them. \n\nThe goal with this whole business model is to produce content that makes your clients feel like they're professional singers. If your end product is so egregiously terrible that it has the potential to go viral, you're just straight-up bad at your job. \n\nI'm sorry, but as a songwriter myself, inflicting these lyrics on a paying client is just inexcusable. \n\nTL;DR: Cool business model? Sure. Does it excuse the aggressively terrible lyrics and shit execution in general? No, no it does not.", "She sounds a little like Ellie Goulding.", "She's a bisexual hottie with huge boobs now.", "I believe they are planning on stopping it on December 13th", "F*day", "It's interesting to consider how important a dislike option is in voting processes (founding fathers are you listening?)", "Honestly she somehow turned absolute infamy into a decent career, and good for her tbh", ">She got bullied out of public schooling. 😔 \n\nAyyy, good for her", "Now it's bad in a whole new way.", "You just got black friday’d", "It really makes no sense to say that people “choose” to become sexually obsessed with pop stars and celebrities. Your brain either does or doesn’t. It makes even less sense when there is a multi-million dollar global campaign that is solely concerned with the goal of making people sexually obsessed with a particular young girl. \n\nA few decades worth of cultural sophistication and maturity with regards to the psychological impact of sex on teenagers, is going to crumble like a house of cards against that kind of pressure, and couple that with eons of evolutionary conditioning. \n\nSure, as soon as you’re online making fake images, photoshopping her into porn, trying to send her inappropriate messages, stalking her irl, etc. Carrying out harmful and degenerate actions that have real world consequences - At that point we can lose any sympathy we might have had for you, and this person may need to be monitored, or ultimately warehoused and kept away from society. \n\nBut I have to say, the ultra-perverts in this whole circus, for me at least, are the Paparazzi. \n\nI’ve never understood how our society tolerates these creeps that camp on a hillside like a soviet sniper in WW2, overlooking a beach, waiting to fire off some rounds of film at a young topless teenage girl so they can sell her body to the newspapers. \n\nWTF is this all about? How is this not entirely illegal? Why are they not arrested and put on a sex offenders registers? \n\nI guess straight older men are gonna find beautiful teenage girls.. beautiful.. from here to eternity. No amount of “being a good person” is going to put a stop to how your atoms behave. \n\nAnd so its how they act that matters, it’s their behaviour we should judge, not their involuntary physical or mental reactions to stimulus.", "I really miss the dislike button. What is the point of youtube if you can't dislike something?", "a musical masterpiece 👌", "I saw a video where they interviewed Hit or Miss girl, Tay Zonday and some other viral star and the Hit or Miss girl was saying how badly she got bullied. \n\nPeople are cruel. Also, glad Tay seems so well adjusted, he seems like a really good dude.", "4M dislikes TYVM.", "I think there's plenty of male created content that gets dragged far more than Friday. Look at GoT season 8. r/freefolk is still tearing that apart to this day. Friday was bad enough that it's still funny imo", "My next recommended song was Amish Paradise, with 1 million likes, what is happening?", "this is hands down the best way to explain hyperpop to someone", "You made it sound like a memetic SCP. A song that keep getting worse and worse every time you listen to it, but you can't remember how bad it was after you finish listening to the song.", "She's such a great artist that anyone that wants to listen to her music has to go out of their way to look her up.", "I did some slewthing, 24 million people suddenly changed their minds and removed their down votes!", "Why do we always have to overanalyze evrything? It's just a shity song with no deeper meaning behind it.", "She was 13. THIRTEEN.\n\nThe media tore apart a then unknown thirteen year old girl, who had a history of being bullied to begin with.\n\n\nAlso, the video cost 4000 dollars. Expensive but not prohibitively so. The video and music and lyrics were written and produced entirely by ARK record.\n\nSimple matter, this incident shows how social media and platforms will attack the first target it sees. Black had little to do with the video outside of being in it and singing. The song was by someone else, the lyrics by someone else, the video content by someone else.\n\nShe got death threats after it. A thirteen year old girl.\n\nDoesn't matter her family was rich or not, this is just unacceptable behavior and as we've see, it isn't going away. I really really do not want to live on this planet anymore.", "Lol yes I did", "What \"fixes\" people ascribing so much value to \"like/dislike\" beyond all reason?\n\nThat PewDePie video where he asks for and gets 2 million dislikes must be an affront to decency.", "the bit where she's using English as her second language, despite it evidently being her first. \n\n> we so excited\n\nwas it always that grammatically delinquent?", "She seems to have managed okay, though. She still releases music. Her follow-up to \"Friday\" (literally called \"Saturday\") seemed like she was making fun of herself.", "When you get picked up last, you don't get to choose.", "I don't know why but when this originally went viral, my first thought was to [make this](https://youtu.be/XFwWB-Wwy3o) as a reaction.", "Dam I am old\n\nThis legit made me feel melancholic", "I still say “my hand is a dolphin” and no one knows what I’m referencing… and when I tell them it just gets worse…", "Is that like learning a second language?", "Thank you kind sir for the Ear Cancer.", "When I see this, I tend to hear the Bad Lip Reading version instead. “Definite, I’m plannin’ on makin’ war...”", "Proof?", "thank you for this.", "anything for MacOS?", "maybe because I've head so many covers of this song that made it sound... \"better.\" But yeah the OG is fucking shit.", "I love Chinese food also a banger according to YouTube algorithm. 0 dislikes but half the likes. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/wWLhrHVySgA", "I am more pissed that you cannot sort videos by popularity.", "She looks like a type that goes partying at underground clubs in The Matrix.", "Probably the same sick individuals who bully child actors, or just actors in general for certain roles. People are sick. Feel bad for her, but glad she's doing better now.", "I mean \"we we we so excited\" hits hard", "I did not expect to like that as much as I did. The production is sick. It's like someone made a song using the sound effects in trailers for action films and then filmed a sex nightmare. B+", "Things is why we can't have things, nice or otherwise.", "I think it really depends on how you feel about mainstream pop songs. Because I absolutely hate that type of music and TBH I can't really tell much difference between this song and a typical radio pop song.", "Fuck me I'm starting to feel like an old man. Why does everyone these days have names with symbols in it I have no idea how to pronounce, what the fuck is a bbno$ lmao get off my lawn", "How old were Ice Cube and Chris Tucker?", "Bad lyrics - yeah, that's what I said. She didn't deserve the hate - yeah, that's what I said too. Learn to read, you dunce.", "Thats fuckin worse than the original.", "No one talks about Game of Thrones Season 8 anymore. America was basically over it as it was releasing.\n\nWe are still discussing Rebecca Black and Friday.\n\nYour example is bad. If you were Mrs Bubbles you'd be getting torn apart for it.", "I actually sing this song every Friday at 5:01pm.", "Their Hellen Keller song was a bop.", "I am known to sing \"Gotta make my mind up, which seaaat can I taaaaaaaake\" when I go out for dinner with the family. Luckily I am a dad and things like this are expected. The eyerolls make it worth it.", "Holy shit that was entertaining as hell", "it's like an AI algo made it as some kind of proof that if you make trash a certain way everybody will still listen", "I still see 4million dislikes, I have no idea what everyone is going on about- but for me dislikes never went away on any platform yet...", "It's today.", "157 million views can't be wrong :P", "> Seems how our brains process memories is more benevolent than we thought.\n\nIn that case, you might want to see her 10 year remix, where she scompletely memes her own song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFOcqsnc9Y\n\nAnd if you want something better from her: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c", "She made a song with BBno$. Her singing really improved let's just say that", "Ooh I hadn’t heard it yet, it is indeed a bop", "Yeah this made me realize my brain had edited this song to be waaaaay more punchy, and involve actual musical notes instead of a dead monotone with distortion.", "I can't believe you didn't wait until Friday to post this", "I think the point is that the very simple \"push button get beat / autotune\" tools have gotten better, you could still do everything earlier on it just took some expertise and the recording studio used for Friday certainly didn't put in that effort.", "Yea it stops working in a week", "I believe that's shitty auto-tune.", "Suffering from success.", "Jesus Christ it isn’t even funny, just truly worse than the original somehow in every way", "I understand that everyone who practices their art thinks that they have immense talent. It turns out that some of my buddies who busted their asses in bars and clubs did not have the talent they think they had and like you said, don't have a lot to show for the hard work. You sound bitter and angry that your greatness was not recognized or that you don't have the talent that you think you do. Either way, threatening people with death is just wrong. My parents made me sing and act in a school Christmas pageant in 7th grade. I sucked so should I be threatened with murder?", "> Though almost a decade** later she is doing great.\n\nYou shut your whore mouth", "Why does it not show dislikes? We're there just too many to count?", "Also remember if really was horrible it would have gotten 10 views. It was high quality enough to be entertaining to watch.", "You might hurt the poster's feelings.", "I mean, Rebecca Black has a small cult following that I’m sure intersects with the same group of people who love The Room. Something so bad it’s good", "Probably Anon. During the 2000's and early 2010's it wasn't because they were particularly offended by anything, it was because someone stood out and made themselves a public figure. People that could record themselves making Rebecca Black cry, or getting Tom Green to lose his cool got e-clout on 4chan.", "My daughter's and I bang to this song still! Taught them to wait for the drop!\n\nEdit: I'm not a cunning linguist.", "Yes...I agree the lyrics are god awful. I said that higher up in this thread.", "I proudly made it to the 42 second mark! \nI would also like to comment that she seems to have grown up significantly since this video.", "Or it's further proof that any argument starting with \"back in the day\" is subjective even in relation to past experiences.", "Every now and then it pops back into my head and I think \"you know, it's kinda catchy\" and listen to the real version instead of me singing it or hearing it in my head. \n\nMy god it's so much worse than I ever remember", "Unaccomplished music producers grifting on rich parents. This wasn't produced by some random 15 year old like you think.", "True but I mean analog synths are old, and still sound great! Just FM and wavetable based VST synths are better these days. But a mini moog, Polysix and Juno still sound great IMO. But yeah production techniques are easier to implement now. 2009/2010 was a big change in how everyone was trying to catch up, using Abelton differently as an actual daw. Now it’s been easier to have access to cookie cutter sounds, that sound great like splice and such. Not much effort needed outside the mix…but now a lot of those techniques are drop and drag templates for the basics.", "Jesus Christ is right. Get a grip, incel", "Didn't know chris walken sang", "Oh no you don't.", "Yeah, I've seen the \"they made it worse\" take a few times in this thread. I think it is missing the point.", "It absolutely doesn't deserve death threats. She was a kid, too. That said, that \"Friday\" was made and went viral is probably an indictment of modern pop culture.", "It's Friday then, it's Saturday, Sunday, WHAT?!", "R B RECECCA BLACK", "Bad as the song is it does have a hook- Fry-e-day, Fry-e-day.", "Don't forget about the remix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFOcqsnc9Y", "I love this song. I sing it almost every day.", "yeah obviously some people took this wayyyy too far, but let's be honest, the dislike button in no way is responsible for that. to insinuate that the dislike functionality is responsible for online harassment to that degree is completely disingenuous. if you think the song was bad it's ok to say and feel that way. the dislike button and displaying the like/dislike ratio doesn't invite that kind of insane behavior from online trolls.", "Damn I remember when this first released and at the time anyway was considered the most poorly-rated music video on YT.\n\nI'd pinged it to my coworker with no context and he was like tf is this, why...?? And I said, it's going to be a piece of history someday, just you wait!\n\nYou're welcome Don", "Epic Mullet Guy version is still one of my favorite YouTube videos https://youtu.be/iw8IEd3LDzg", "They also have this surprisingly not awful piece\nhttps://youtu.be/UMi4dpXbqak", "jarring for sure but your kids are gonna love it", "Hmm star wars kid begs to differ.", "Worse today than it was 37 years ago", "I got to the same part and just couldn't anymore.", "Baby no money", "Looking forward to the bacon", "Tbf this version seems different than I remember. Faster maybe?", "Laps of judgment: the repeated walk of shame.", "That was awesome!", "Fucking. Kill me.", "Hard to believe what happened to her.", "I think it had been altered", "Ah, the ol' reddit [fingeroo](https://www.reddit.com/r/nottheonion/comments/r9v4wa/san_francisco_suspends_cannabis_tax_to_help/hnff532?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)", ">Nah I think we’re over making fun of her. \n\nTake a look around this thread, plenty of NEET neckbeards upset that a woman dare be more successful than they are", "/u/RGRedditing isn't rapey. He couldn't rape a fly.", "Il never forget it, it may be buried but as soon as I saw this...\n\nI need to go clear my head, with a stiff drink, Bury this shit again", "It’s an entertaining, as well as an educational song.", "Phrasing mate", "Lol only 4000 dollars \n\nShe was a rich kid doing rich kid shit, just another example of someone out of their element trying to get famous with no actual skill so she got shat on. Most of the shit throwing was just goofing on this kid and it's unfortunate that people be sending death threats but that shit happens to ANY public figure no matter how small and was happening long before social media my guy.", "The producer, also the guy rapping, is the creepiest mother fucker", "It runs a little deeper than that. Nobody in government or at YouTube cares about the people getting the downvotes. It's just that among the people pressing that thumbs down are a few who get all murdery when they start thinking their extreme ideology is one shared by the masses.", "\"Nothing like banging your daughters to some Sandstorm.\"\n\n-Donald Trump (probably)", "Yeah, this post has zero class. All for a mediocre joke that's frankly played out already.", "poor word choice... or time to call the FBI. not sure which", "Wilhelm scream at 0:59", ">Imo this post is about YouTube's shitty policy. It's not about her song.\n\nBut we all know about that already. There have been countless of videos about that very thing that have graced the front page of this sub. This has happened basically every day for the last two weeks.\n\nSo yeah, this was bound to turn into a conversation about her song. We all know about the dislikes already.", "Fuck man, how much do you think veterinarians make?", "I think if we want dislikes back we need to put our money where or mouth is. Both stop watching YouTube videos (except with ads blocked, and unsubscribe from YouTube.... Is it YouTube red still? Or YouTube premium?", "Well...obviously... \n \nAll I'm saying is that it's wildly disingenuous to pretend like they're the ONLY perverts while everyone else is just innocent dads seeing teen stars on TV.", "Its not even Friday.", "Never Gonna Give You Up is a good song. This is an abomination to music and the day it's about.", "There's nothing cringier than adults getting angry and upset over music made by kids, for other kids.", "Gang Fight!", "I really enjoy Vice's [The Story Of mini docs](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLDbSvEZka6GH6jrqvMbW0AcQF6Dh8X1Ld) about famous songs as well. I love the behind the scenes looks.", "[I Sang The Song \"Friday\" : Rebecca Black](https://youtu.be/HiWXeWQAsUE)", "There are browser extensions available to bring back dislikes.", "Hmm ok", "i didnt fully understand how pointless the likes now seem when there's no dislikes to contrast them with. i guess it'll be like twitter where it'll be the ratio of likes to views now", "1.3 million and 1! This is my jam!", "I’m fucking dead", "If you are epileptic like myself, do not click on that link!!!😳😳", "Imagine being a human.\n\n\\#everyone-on-reddit-is-a-robot", "Money doesn't absolve you from depression.", "It’s a song for kids. People need to relax.", "I feel ya and that's an interesting way to interpret the song. It resonated with a younger me. The dick who downplayed your response is probably the exact type of person who gave us introverts anxiety, lol. In fact, their response was perfect bc they were trying to make fun of you but instead just unironically displayed they are a dense turd who lacks even a shrivel of empathy for what you described in your comment.", "That is … somehow worse than the original.", "Yeah, in the comments on the video BLR said they originally made the video for a handful of friends to see and it ended up blowing up. \n\nMy personal favorite is Everybody Poops.", "Why? It’s shit, but no worse than the thousands of other similar songs in the genre that get released every year.", "Some of it was because of her parents.", "I liked Stephen Colbert's version.", "Interestingly, I'm pretty sure a lot of old games looked better on old crt tvs. The jaggedness got naturally smoothed out by the fuzziness of the image. You can look up crt vs modern final fantasy sprites and portraits and the difference is stunning.", "Can't forget [CS188's Pooping the Charts Vol 4.](https://youtu.be/YBjdlkwfrBo)", "Shit man it’s only Monday.", "I’m from Houston, thanks for the laugh lol", "Man, I am soooo happy the internet wasn't around to document my cringe teenage blunderyears.\n\nWe all are haunted by the demons of us falling short of our expectations. Having a wikipedia page chronicling them is just rubbing salt in.\n\nThe eye of Sauron is nothing compared to having all of the world looking and at the same time and judging you.", "1.3 million likes, 157 million views that's a great ratio right there", "Stay mad. Maybe the world will collectively give a fuck compared to people who refuse to read comments.", "Oh lord Jesus what did I just watch?", "This is the comment that coined it. Well done!", "I will keep this for history: 06 Dec 2021: 1,381,863 Likes / 4,066,488 Dislikes", "Lol nah bruh these were made in the hopes that maybe they could make it big like Beiber. And I'm sorry but spending 4k on a music video for your kid in 2011 was not some middle class shit, that's ridiculous.", "What's up with YouTube hiding dislikes?", "I have had this entire song memorized for 10 years", "This was the first time I actually listened to this song…Now I get it", "I tried. I couldn't actually get through the whole song. I like a lot of different types of music as well, super poppy stuff included.", "https://returnyoutubedislike.com/", "Not sure if it's just coincidence but the Dorian Electra song you linked sounds a lot like some Clarence Clarity", "Which seat can I taaaaaaaaaaake?", "I took a shit and wiped my ass listening to this song", "https://imgur.com/vsk2cyf.gif", "No joke, one of my close friends from middle/high school is on this track. Weird seeing them shared on reddit when them & I used to play jokingly shitty improvised songs on their shitty acoustic in high school 👀", "You just got blacked", "A weird amount of this song is making the harrowing decision of whether to sit in the front seat or back seat", "Thank you sir, this is a greatly appreciated.", "I just listened to \"Im an Albatroaz\" and think to myself how it doesn't matter at all how dumb your texts are if your music slaps. Unfortunately for her, friday wasn't enough of a banger on the music side of things so that people would ignore the text.", "you’re not slick lol", "Don't get your panties in a knot lmao", "How she managed to do this with a straight face and not ironically is BEYOND me!\n\n\n…also I didn’t really how much deliberation and what a major decision deciding which car seat to sit in takes.", "For real. How miserable do you have to be to shit on kids doing seemingly embarrassing things, as though motherfuckers weren't cringe as fuck as teens themselves.", "A lot of parents seem to get blinded by the attention and success, and cash. \n\nThere is a film I watched many years ago, called “The Hole”, it’s got Thora Birch and Kiera Knightly in it. There is a scene where Kiera is getting groped by two 20+ year old men, and then she exposes her breasts. She was 15 at the time of filming, and so her parents had to okay it. \n\nCoincidently, I think Thora Birch was also underage when she exposed her breasts in America Beauty. \n\nAnd so we have 2 sets of parents that said to a random grown man “yes you can film my underage daughter nude on super HD cameras and do loads of takes and keep all the footage because... you’re a “film director”? \n\nI can’t help but suspect that Director Nick Hamm was perversely concerned with acquiring footage of a nude, underage school girl. \n\nWhat’s even worse is Kiera never really did nudity as an adult, so it’s highly likely that she regrets the decision that was likely made for her.", "Stupid for us, lots of cash for YouTube", "Sophie made all of the samples herself using an Elektron Monomachine which makes it even more impressive imo.", "I play this every Friday at 4:57, it's our \"thing\" at the office.", "Who sings this song this is my first time hearing it", "Hoooold up!", "Perhaps a more long term solution is a browser add-on that simply displays an upvote to views ratio or percent (or I mean, just looking at the numbers yourself). With a bit of data we can probably determine what ratio a \"good\" video should have. While it's not as good as up/downvotes it should be able to show a general idea of if a video is good or not.", "There's nothing to actually dislike about this person just for making a ludicrously bad song. I wish her nothing but success, but the original is fair game to poke fun at.", "This song IS a banger though. It's post-good.", "Why did this video have so many dislikes again? Oh right cause the internet thought it’d be fun to bully a teenager over something as dumb as this.\n\nMaybe use an example for your crusade against YouTube that didn’t involve sending kids death threats over a song. People would take you more seriously", "Dude... it’s wednesday", "My hand is a dolphin!", "The gang is down to fight, yeah!", "I lost faith, respect, and hope for humans a while ago. I mean think of how dumb the average person is - and then realize that the other half are dumber than that.", "[I prefer Stephen Colberts version!](https://youtu.be/nEHqi6g9oeY)", "I think it's more a matter of how little everyone else makes. What's median household income, 70K? Two veterinarians easily make X3 that.", "aww shit. this is my Jam!!", "I'm glad there's a browser extension to see it has 4 million dislikes. I think an alternate way to find actual high rated videos is filtering search by ratings. Hopefully.", "But it gave us this absolute gem of a parody! https://youtu.be/ucmsunDs3jE", "Good to see Slipknot out here still inspiring new genres", "It’s Friday Friday gotta get down on Friday everybody’s looking forward to the weekend weekend Friday Friday", "The larger the audience the more criticism you will have. No one is going to say you should die in a 7th grade pageant. But someone might say \"maybe you shouldn't sing anymore\" or recommend lessons. Then you can decide if you want to persue it. You don't put your kid out into the world like that. There is a process they skipped with wealth and privilege that would have saved her the death threats. That's my point. I you have talent or whatever \"it\" is, you will be offered more opportunities based on that talent. I was, and plucked out of the mud and given opportunities. Unfortunately so did many just like me and it's a fucked up business, as bitter as I am, I understand and am professionally mature enough to understand the criticism. If you can't sing, don't. And especially don't pay your way to the front of the line surrounded by people who give you a false sense of ability and then get mad when reality comes crashing down no matter how much you think you don't deserve it.", "She's got a weird Jessica Jones thing going on. I'm ... so confused.", "Did she get any better?>", "Unironically yes it's a banger.", "She’s super active on TikTok now. She honestly looks like she went a little crazy, pretty sad.", "Rebecca Rolled", "That’s the second Rookie of the Year reference I’ve stumbled upon on Reddit today", "In retrospect, Friday was one of the first hyperpop songs.", "Ok bud", "Wow, 3Oh3, that's taking me back to the 2000s.", "Hahaha after YouTube hided the dislike number", "I wonder what that Patrice Wilson is up to these days? He seems like a creep for some reason.", "Yea that'll be a 30 game suspension for Joe Kelly.", "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT\n\nCHICKEN FOR US TO EAT", "fucking panda ruined my day", "My 8 year old girls live this song and still play it every Friday - over and over. Worst. Made to play it for them in the car.", "Except that all of the primary artists are Millennials, but ok.", "Yeah... Totally not b/c the narrative they want to push is showing to be unpopular with the masses. /s", "She did a photo shoot with Rolling Stones mag where she was dressed like a child, in a kids bedroom, hugging teddies and wearing little shorts with “baby” written on the ass. \n\nI know because I had them blue-tacked to my wall, in my defence, she was older than me at the time. \n\nWell, she obviously still is.", "And we can all say thanks to charlie xcx for really setting the ground work.", "Can’t telling you’re trolling or not, but this was genuine.\n\nThere was an agency that would sell song production and a video (co-owned by the guy rapping). Rebecca signed up and picked the subject, they wrote the lyrics and made the beat then did the music video shoot, edited it and gave it to her. It was up on YT and went viral for its absurdity.", "What’s the joke?", "\"Not to downplay her shit but let me downplay her shit real quick.\"", "pop music with the artifice and more caustic elements turned up to 11\n\nit's noisy and fun. check out the rustie remix of a.g. cook's beautiful or easyfun's fanta", "Why not? Prove a point against YouTube and bad music and bad life choices all in one fell swoop; work smarter not harder.", "I prefer the in hell remix https://youtu.be/Ti1D9t8n0qA", "Wow, I kinda don't give a shit?", "Doesn't matter if this song never existed, she was always going to turn out the way she did (at least physically) because money.", "I say my hand is a dolphin too. I will continue until I find someone who recognizes it", "FUN FUN FUN FUN. Not rippin on her, just the director and whoever wrote the lyrics.", "\"to ANY public figure no matter how small\" \\points at small child with pitchfork and makes stabby motions\\", "Oh no. Poor little rich girl.", "I forgot this monstrosity existed. I think I speak for everyone when I say “fuck you OP”", "Wearing my red dress on a Friday.", "I also choose this guys daughter for banging to Darude", "This video is probably the worst one OP could have posted if he wanted to make that point lmao. This is a case where removing dislikes would have been a good thing since it basically exemplifies youtube's reasoning for doing so: a then-13-year-old girl who got bullied so much she had to drop out of public schooling", "That's not what is happening here", "Wait, she was waiting for the bus but still drove to school in a car? Why tf was she waiting for the bus then?", "It's also such a bad example to point out being upset about removing dislikes. It's one thing to say it about a tutorial or something but a music video??", "Are my ears supposed to be bleeding?", "It is.", "and you think no one is discussing “baby”?", "Thx.", "If someone played a horrible cover of Sandstorm that has no bearing on whether or not the original studio recording slaps (which it does).", "I appreciate the reasoning behind it, but how DARE. HOW DARE YOU. Bring this back into the live portion of my brain. It was fine sitting in the back behind my ex girlfriend's birthday.", "I hate you", "[It wasn't all that much better when we were young](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBS4Gi1y_nc)", "Then use an example that didn’t involve bullying children for no reason", "this is literally true. people who have been through actual abuse will lock it out and sometimes believe it wasnt really that bad until they actually make the effort to revisit the memories.", "Meanwhile I have listened to this song almost every Friday for the last 10 years. I may have a problem.", "I think the metric fuck ton of money she made from it might have helped just a teeny tiny bit.", "that's the real crime, here... posting this on a Monday smh", "Love how reddit is complaining about this, when reddit is exactly the same.", "I dipped within 3 seconds. Wouldn't let it hurt me. I'm sorry for your pain.", "If this were a Daft Punk song, we'd still be jamming to it", "I hope no one forgets this !", "It's horrible, I can't differentiate any useful computer sciene videos from bad ones. It is incredibly infuriating, especially if I have limited time to solve a task. It has happened like 4 times already.\n\nYoutube, what the actual fuck?", "YouTube out there protecting feelings", "Why on a Monday, tho?", "In a great loss for humanity, LMFAO broke up a few years back. I only ever remember this because of the excellent eulogy they got on [John Oliver's old podcast](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dy1t1iKAWa0).", "Don't bully /u/RGRedditing he's a sweetheart. Come on man, tell us what you're talking about.", "I have seen more posts about season 8 being bad on r/all in the last couple months than I do on Friday being bad. The S8 hate posts mostly come from r/freefolk. I believe my example is fine.\n\nEdit: Another one that comes to mind is Star wars sequels and it's writers", "Fun fact, if you watch the music video for \"Hit you from the Back\", it's one of the first songs they made before they blew up nationwide; they filmed it at their old elementary school in Boulder, CO. It's also a super inappropriate song to have little kids dance to, lol. I had a good buddy who went to school with them, they're very funny dudes.", "That “yayayaaaahhhhh” thing at the beginning is just fucking awful. I mean it all is, but the intro especially.", "The amount of disliked videos disability comments has skyrocketed", "She actually has a really beautiful voice now and makes pretty good music imo", "That's unfair to Rick, because Never Gonna Give You Up is actually a good song.", "> Take Greta Thunberg. It seems so weird to hate someone who tries to help the earth.\n\nThere's often an attention-seeking/narcissism component to activism. I frequently get the impression that if the cameras weren't rolling and they just had to sit in a bunch of meetings or do a bunch of boring planning to actually save the planet, or end racism, or whatever, they wouldn't bother. It's easy to just shout at a bunch of politicians about how they're not doing enough; she has no actual responsibility to actually help herself, nor a plan to do so. Her job is basically to sail around the world and complain about Boomers.\n\nIn Greta's case I wouldn't necessarily call her a slacktivist, but she seems a little full of herself and probably gets off on the attention (which no one that age would probably have handled very well). The media has latched on to her entirely because of her age, so at some level she's kind of undeserving. She's not a climate expert. She has no experience in actually setting and achieving political goals. She doesn't even really have any experience of how the world works. She's also autistic, which can rub people the wrong way. Nobody wants to be lectured to by a kid like that.", "Its massively popular what are you on? Charli xcx has 20 million monthly listeners on spotify. 100 gecs is almosr 2 million. Pretty much every SoundCloud sad rapper hopped on a hyperpop song last year to catch the wave.", "Plug for 'Return Youtube Dislike' which archives the current dislikes and puts them back on the videos. And augments new videos with 'projected' dislikes based on user input", "how?", "I am fucking done with Goolag Youtube, these censorship elitist fucks can suck me, I hope they get ass diarrhea\n\nUSE RUMBLE\n\nUSE BITCHUTE\n\nUSE ODYSSEE\n\n\nFUCK YOUTUBE FUCK GOOLAG", "What, you don't listen to <random 2 nouns fused together> ?", "What complete and utter garbage. Music is dead. It was taken over by formulaic Disney devils who will diddle these kids, leverage and exploit them, and if they can survive that they will be under contract to produce music, TV and really bad movies for the rest of their drug addled lives.", "It's a genre called hyperpop", "Redditors when music is dad rock. 🤬", "But she claims she had the same boobs back then", "Dad moment. Not a single fucking kid is wearing a seatbelt in that convertible. We’re gonna live forever I guess.", "I hadn't heard of her in ten years and now all of a sudden I see her on local venues tour schedules. Good for her.", "Yeah I've been listening to this one a lot. Started off with a joke that I was sending to my manager during Friday and I went down the rabbit hole and listened to her other stuff.", "I still think this song should have won a Grammy that year.", "It’s a kid making a trash song. Why the fuck would anyone make death threats to her?", "Doesn't Tosh do all his shows in front of a live audience?", "It's worse, at least a rick roll doesn't hurt.", ">same with dithering/mixing etc\n\n>sirum\n\nHow you know someone has dabbled in production, but doesn't really know what they're talking about.", "She looks like Krysten Ritter now", "YouTube blocking whatever API or information it is pulling from is inevitable.", "Saved by the bad apostrophe", "wow ni dislike at all.. thank you youtube :/", "YouTube has been shit for a while. We are ok with the rampant capitalism, but remove a button? YouTube warriors standing up for the end of all things ...I hear yah! It's just been dead for a REALLY long time.", "Thats the youngest thing i've ever heard", "It is a banger though", "I love how a pair of people bust their ass through school, learn a complex trade that primarily involves helping those less fortunate, become reasonably successful enough at that trade that they can treat their kids to some minor luxuries, and then everyone judges them like they're pieces of shit.", "I genuinely don't get the hate around removing the dislike counter, and the argument that people won't be able to tell what's a good video and what's bad. Do people really go straight to the like/dislike bar before watching the video to tell if it's a good video? I mean, there's also comments like right there. Not to mention YouTube videos get brigaded pretty frequently, just go to any news channel talking about covid or, hell, anything really and yeah, based on the arguments I've seen any news video is \"bad\" because it gets a lot of dislikes. I feel like people are getting outraged for little to no reason about something they didn't notice much of before the change and won't notice at all like 2 months later after all the hype around it dies down.", "Right... Because the only thing that makes a song interesting is the time signature.", "Holy F this is a wild-ass ride", "The USA finally finishing puberty I see. Welcome to satire land sisters.", "I have empathy, I just thought the in-depth interpretation of an obviously vapid pop song had to be a joke. Turns out it wasn't, and that's even funnier.", "If anyone is actually interested in giving a talented artist a shot, listen to her new song Worth it for the feeling. She makes really good indie pop and hyperpop now", "Is this just super auto-tune or is she an actual robot? It kinda sounds like the latter.", "She looks like that girl from Jessica Jones", "I don’t even know the meaning of terms applied to the music I do like.", "Yeah, I'm pro rebecca black as she seems pretty cool but that is absolutely not a \"genuinely amazing song\" lol", "I'm not condoning that shit, but people are shitty and her parents put her on full display.", "Crunkcore was a genre about 12 years ago most notable song is probably freax by brokencyde. Rocketshiptothemoon by dotdotcurve is a song that sounds a ton like hyperpop but it's from like 2009 \n\nHyperpop is kind of like that but cranked up more. High pitched voices and crazy drumwork \n\nIt's not really my thing but I get the appeal", "\"Embrace the Suck\" has been my work motto for the last 3 years, glad to know others have heard the good word. \n\n\nThough, I have to camp 4 nights in a cloud forest every week... I don't think I can fuck it to make money.", "It cracks me up to see you dopes have a fit over something as meaningless as youtube removing their \"dislike\" counter. I'll let you in on a little secret, only those with the biggest brains know--the \"upvotes\" and \"downvotes\" of a video are an absolute joke of a metric when it comes to determining the validity or accuracy of a video. They're like reddit \"upvotes\" and \"downvotes\" that way. Because any online anonymous polling is pure shit, it means nothing. And you know this, because you all have spent two decades now gaming online polls for the stupidest shit you can think of. The only thing online polling does is give the illusion of validity to your stupid opinions; that's it. It certainly doesn't determine the truth, or quality. It hurts your feelings that one of your favorite trolling past times has been taken away from you, so you're gonna cry about it. LOL, fucking morons.", "Is it possible that I now have cancer because of watching this video?", "I think you can actually turn off everything. It used to be an optional feature for creators, but it seems that wasn't good (profitable) enough. \n\nAll we can do now is ratio companies on twitter or something.", "clearly you do because you took the time to comment, dumbfuck", "It's 4 million and counting! You can bring back the dislikes with this [extension.](https://screenrant.com/bring-back-youtube-dislike-button-how/)", "Yep, he's embarrassed himself here. You don't bang your daughters to sandstorm. You want something a bit smoother. Bit of Barry white.", "For me, the sound was exactly as bad as I remembered, but I'd forgotten how incredibly stupid the lyrics and the video were. \n\n\"Gotta have my bowl, gotta have cereal...\"", "Lol you couldn't even come up with an original title.\nRebecca Black didn't have to copy weeks old YouTube comments for karma.\n\nGo back to /r/short and complaining about women instead of trying to rehash the bullying and death threats of a 13 year old you sad fucker.", "how dare you disrespect Rick Astley like that.", "Youngest thing?", "Can trigger it even worse. \"I have all this and have no reason to be depressed yet I still am. I must be a real piece of shit.\"", "On the wiki page it says it cost them 4k to do it, so quite cheap", "Except maybe thinking that bullying a 13-year-old isn't so bad if her parents are rich. It is for her.", "Oh boy if Friday made you think he’s a hack, it’s not even close to his [worst work.](https://youtu.be/wWLhrHVySgA)", "> instead of drums there were only trashcans and baseball bats \n\nohhh like Metallica's St. Anger", "Yep, I listened to [this song without nothing it was her](https://youtu.be/SUdeXCCrq44) and when I found that I was very surprised.", "“Neil Armstrong didn’t need to walk on the moon twice…”\n\nFucking John Oliver kills me every time.", "[Exhibit A] (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fauci+youtube+dislikes&va=b&t=hc&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fy29aggr8fy081.jpg%3Fwidth%3D640%26crop%3Dsmart%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3Dd5b15521c7bcf8dde4e34cb8eb94eca3e58a3c57)\n\n[Exhibit B] (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fauci+youtube+dislikes&va=b&t=hc&iax=images&ia=images&iai=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.armstrongeconomics.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2021%2F11%2FFD2bOpCXEAkmGz7.jpg)\n\n[Exhibit C] (https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fauci+youtube+dislikes&va=b&t=hc&iax=images&ia=images&iai=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informationliberation.com%2Ffiles%2Fwhy-youtube-removing-downvotes.jpg)", "I legitimately never completed the song, I was going to say why with all the hate that it was a bit mediocre, but I changed my mind.", "You're probably pretty fun to hang out with.", "Hyperpop is the future, that shit slaps and I'm definitely older than gen z. \n\nWonder what the people who dislike that song would say about some 100 gecs.", "But that's the thing, lots of things for teenaged girls don't fail. They are just hated out of proportion.", "You're right - it's already a masterpiece :)", "Not in the social media world.", "You just reminded me of [this](https://youtu.be/gzxQgRbTesA)\n\nEdit: NSFW", "I use YT alot. I just can't even remember the last time I glanced at the like or dislike counts.", "The real banger is the [FRYDAY](https://youtu.be/akT0wxv9ON8) version", "I actually used to laugh at this with my siblings not realizing how shitty it was to laugh at a kid for trying to accomplish her dreams with a song written by adults. I say they're the ones to blame. But she did well adjusting to the bullshit and I really admire her strength", "nowhere is safe, fuck the astros! lol", "Lol", "Dude $4k really ain’t that much to spend on your kid lol \n\nBraces cost more than that. That isn’t exclusive to rich folk.", "You dont want to be ridiculed by the public, then don't really a music video to the public.\n\n>The media tore apart a then unknown thirteen year old girl, \n\nNo, it's not the \"media\" fault for criticizing a vapid music video that she(family/producers) released... to the public. \n\n>who had a history of being bullied to begin with.\n\nYeah, so was I. And if I released a music video that means nobody should be a big meanie because I was bullied in school? So.fucking.stupid.", "Holy shit, Rebecca Black grew up and got hot.", "Lol OP couldn't even make a title that wasn't ripped verbatim from a months old YouTube comment.\n\nSad.", "They aren't middle class. They are upper class.\n\nUpper class range is insane compared to lower to middle classes. Goes from like $300k+ including dual incomes. I bet they make more around $400k a year.", "And she got rich and famous from it, worthwhile trade off as most people are traumatized in middle school anyway", "I don't agree at all. Technology was plenty sufficient to create good sounding electronic tracks in 2000. It just took a lot more work.\n\nOne More Time from Daft Punk has a lot of autotune like Friday and was made the same year as Sandstorm. The only thing I think you can point to in either of these tracks that sounds dated is the percussion, particularly the bass drums. Both of them could come out tomorrow with better bass and hi hats, and I don't think anyone would be going \"wtf these tracks have such dated production.\"\n\nFriday sounds terrible because of the horrible vocal sample they were working with and the lack of complexity in the sound engineering. It's like they just used the basic presets for each layer and made no efforts to alter/blend them.", "But what does ja rule think?", "Rule #2 double tap", "I'm surprised she didn't get bullied out of home schooling after that", "That’s because Dave Days wrote it. I grew up with him, played music in the same circle of people until he moved out to LA. Extremely talented dude", "Thank you. Most of the myriad problems we have in our pop-consumer culture originate from the Producers, not the Consumers. It's all carefully-considered psychology.", "dinkin flicka!", "[Death Friday](https://youtu.be/pi00ykRg_5c) 🖤", "doing up these kinds of music video experiences was actually the guy's business model at the time. he'd charge parents to do the whole music video star experience in which he'd write produce direct etc, provide everything for the video production etc.\n\nthey actually used public backlash to force him to give up the royalties for the song He Himself Wrote and Produced, which she only performed, and performed because her parents paid for his services to have the experience of doing so.\n\ni don't know if he's still in business or not - a few other families paid for their kids to do similar videos that never got as big as friday. \n\nand rebecca certainly didn't turn out to be britney by a long mile on multiple fronts. while friday is absolutely an internet sensation britney has numerous iconic bangers despite not releasing music for how many years and performing exclusively in las vegas(las vegas is top honours for many performing artists btw but it's also kind of a retirement gig for steady lucrative pay cheque sort of deal). rebecca is a c level RIAA performer who is largely a one hit wonder to this day. not to knock rebecca, but her family certainly didn't treat the man responsible for her music career success very fairly or equitably and her notoriety is limited to pretty much the one song (maybe 2 if you count the video/song that katy perry did with her, that's a bit creepy in nature given katy perry's age and her own age at the time, and their roles and the themes of the video).\n\nbut yes, this was a guy's business - charge parents to give their kids the experience of being a music video star to be posted to youtube/given hard copies etc. whole teen dream experience. it was just that the video went viral as was still somewhat common at the time of the whole thing.", "Ooo. What does that unlock? Despair?", "🏎", "Gotta get fucked on Friday", "Yeah they were ambitious enough to go \"worst song ever? Nah, worst thing ever.\" And honestly I respect that", "Yea, the camera pans out to show the audience before and sometimes after commercial breaks", "That is orders of magnitude more cringey than the song ever was", "Depends.\n\nDo they own their own practice(s)? Do they do large animals?\n\nI have a friend who is a large animal vet with her own business making like $300k a year.", "Today is Friday, yesterday was thursday. I felt that.", "Oh fuck me, I did not realize that Rebecca and the dude were cross dressing. I was thinking his voice didn't really match his face and was confused why they hand a stand-in for Rebecca. Yeah, Yoga was actually pretty solid.", "I don't even want to know how internet-pilled and gec-brained I am for thinking this song is a banger", "Shut. Up.", "Can't say both. It's now all genders.", "She almost looks scared.\n\nLike there's this thing about performers. They really can't do it if they're \"all there\" upstairs. It's that total eschewance of normal human behavior. The big open-mouth smile and prolonged eye-contact with the camera, therefore prolonged eye-contact with the viewer(s) possibly numbering in the millions -- all developing their own personal opinion of you from the security of their home based on a performance that you can never take back once it is cut and printed and out there... \n\nShe didn't really \"know\" what she was doing. She was just a kid, and this video ruined her life... But there's something in her eyes. She kinda knew.", "I imagine it was mostly teenagers. The stuff kids say to each other in school can get pretty brutal. Give em an outlet to say almost anything without consequences this is what you get. Being a content creator comes with a lot of bs.", "Lemme guess. She's non-binary, liberal, and changes her hair color/style every other week.", "Adjective-Core died when CrabCore became a thing.", "DO NOT TURN THIS INTO THE NEXT RICKROLL.", "Well if she suffers from motion sickness, she should get front passenger, since it helps to be in the front or a driver than in the backseat. \n\nAssuming no motion sickness, if somebody has called \"shotgun,\" she cannot take the front passenger. \n\nIf all seats are available, nobody has motion sickness, and nobody called shotgun, then she should pick which seat out of preference, or if a friend has a preference then she could respect that. \n\nIf nobody has a preference then everyone naturally will just move towards a seat, won't matter which one.\n\nHope this helps!!!!1!1!!", "This has killed a lot of content searches I do. Especially for instructional videos for weight lifting. How can I know if the advice is correct or if I should approach it with caution if there is no dislike button??", " From the last hour looking into it, she's actually a really good singer with some good songs.", "But as with any new pop star, it is totally written and produced by a completely different group of people than her. And they also use auto-tune to perfect her voice.\n\nI don't really care, good for her, but let's not kid ourselves that most pop artists these days actually do much other than look sexy and perform.", "Listening to this song again, I can't help but feel it's intentionally bad and it just went over a lot of people's heads.", "Both of them have ties to the whole hyperpop/PC Music scene, even if they aren't officially part of the PC Music label. Makes sense they'd have some similar styles/sounds.\n\nAlso side note, THINK:PEACE and YOUR WRONG are both so damn good. Gonna have to listen to them again, thanks for reminding me of him.", "Yup the guy who wrote the song was middle aged and looking for a hit youtube song.", "And people wonder why there's a backlash in a society where the minimum wage can't rent you a 1BR apartment anywhere in America but people get minted multi-millionaires for singing songs nobody even likes.", "I mean my kids love it. They play it at school on Fridays and they think it is great.\n\nShe hit her target audience.", "You're right, what I meant to say is let me downplay her shit to show that she is not alone with this but a bunch of other people live through the same shit with no recognition.", "Are you a fucking robot?", "Gruesome! This happens when a computer takes over the singing... Completly Auto-tune. \nAt least the singer is pretty.", "Based on the phrasing, I would think some [Jerry Lee Lewis](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Lee_Lewis) would be a bit more appropriate.", "r/TISHI", "I know a lot people think removing dislikes is a big deal, and I did lol at this post. \n\nBut it has zero effect on me. I have never paid attention to likes/dislikes. They don’t even register with me or inform my viewing at all. \n\nTo each their own I guess.", "I used to blast this song every Friday morning at my office. Our work spaces were pretty spread out, I worked at a place that did video editing, and the editors would hear it, then come and shake their heads at me. I would play it on repeat until everyone got to my office. Then we'd chat for a bit and all get back to work. It kind of became a ritual on Fridays.", "Doesn't matter how bad it is, [Richard Cheese will make it all better](https://youtu.be/xjpn5x8oDGc)!", "The comments, \"This feels like a YouTube Rewind to a year that doesn't exist.\" \n\n\nOh God, that's what the entire past 2 years have felt like.", "One is all you need.", "Lol. Everyone likes it, so it must be good. McDonald's has the best hamburgers!", "Looks like the white rabbit girl from the matrix", "Let's all comment \"dislike\"", "Same. She really didn't deserve the bullying that a dumb song caused her to experience.", "This guy Sandstorm fucks", "Damn. You really proved something with that one...", "Naw they did it because the lefty news channels were getting down voted too much. They would have tens of thousands of downvotes vs 500 upvotes on a lot of cnn, msnbc, etc, videos, whereas rightwing channels it was the opposite. Youtube couldn't have that being a lefty organization.", "So, real talk here: Are you really too dumb and personality-less that this is an actual problem, do you really not know if you like something or not based on how others judge it, or could we(the collective we that is the internet as a whole) kinda making a mountain out of a molehill?", "You don’t listen to scumsplorch!?! Buddy…", "She's still touring", "Save your pitiful excuses! I am solidly millennial and 100 gecs do indeed fucking slap.\n\nedit: and Laura Les is lowkey my hero/goals", "That's worthless since most people don't like/dislike/comment anyway. It gives you no useful information.", "Hold my journal, I'm going in!", "We all know the real reason that dislike button got removed. Bidens team not liking how unliked they are.", ">I'm definitely older than gen z\n\nDon't worry. So are all the people making Hyperpop. Almost as if...", "Charli xcx was popular way before she started making hyperpop", "Her follow up song was unironically a bop tho", "\"It's a real genre that means you can't call it bad!\"", "Fuck you YouTube for trying to monetize further by removing the dislike button.", "I never saw this!!! Lmao so good", "Shitty deep fried dubstep?", "I prefer this version: https://youtu.be/zzfQwXEqYaI", "its pronounced baby no money", "Interesting. She seems pretty cool in this interview, which makes me wonder if people feel bad for shitting all over her back in the day.", "Does anyone else sing the \"7am waking up in the morning\" part to remember the difference from am and pm", "Her new music is actually pretty good. Glad she got away from whatever label was forcing her to make absolute garbage", "I think it's more about knowing what you're going in to and being warned that you may want to skip it for other content is the complaint.", "It's way too late to protect anyone's feelings. Youtube did this because the lefty news channels were getting down voted too much. A lot of cnn, msnbc, etc. videos would have tens of thousands of downvotes vs 500 upvotes, whereas rightwing channels it was the opposite. Youtube couldn't have that being a lefty organization.", "they were base, which was used, and now base is better. that was the entire point.", "To be fair, the producers and audio engineers have a LOT of influence on the quality of a song these days. Even your major artists are pretty much useless without them.\n\nBut she isn't any worse than the big ones.", "Information about who wrote and produced the song. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARK_Music_Factory", "Definitely not. Creators see maybe $3-5 per 1000 views on their channel from ads. That means that even if every single subscriber watched her videos (they don't), she's only looking at about $3-5K per video.\n\nShe'd have to release a new video every other day with a million views on each one to reach $500k from ad revenue.", "Can you make it … oh IDK, like WAY more nasally? Like make it like your nose also has braces. PERFECT!!", "Lapse", "Yes that is true. And Friday certainly has hate from misogynists. But I think it gets much more hate from it's quality and it's rich parent situation.\n\nIn summary I agree with the principles you outlined, but I think in this case it genuinely was bad and tone deaf in more than one sense. It's okay to hate something bad a woman has made. It's not okay to hate something just because a woman has made it. For me and many others this is case 1", "Is there something wrong bec i can still see the 4m dislikes xD", "Came here to say this same thing. People use dislike and downvote buttons to bully others.", "The video is even more painfull than the song", "Wasn't there a song just as bad as this one about Chinese food and one that was like \"hot girls have feelings too? We're just like you, except We're hot.\"", "and you know what? it's not like it's a dishonest or evil thing to do. I feel like I remember the guy charged like a few thousand dollars.\n\nThus, for \"just\" a few thousand dollars and a super quick turnaround time, we get a fully produced cheesy music video where starring me? What's wrong with that?", "Nope, that is very heavily edited with autotune.\n\nEven then, most all pop-artists are these days, so it's not like she is an outlier.", "Same! I was like, dang, Rebecca looks unrecognizable now lmao", "great idea, and you can't help but keep thinking about it and wanting to come back to it.", "Whoa, didn't know you could do that. Cool.", "Please tell me you have heard the glorious wonder that is \"My Jeans\"", "I use the \"return youtube dislike\" extension, and that claims the true number is around 4M dislikes.", "She wasn't even that bad in Friday. \n\nSearch for \"fest hos mange\" on YouTube\n\nThat one topped the fucking list for a while", "There’s ten seconds of my life I’m never getting back.", "You know... this isn’t as bad as I remember. Although the lyrics and still awful if you block them out it isn’t unlistenable. Much better than that red dress song from a few months back.", "Those who have accomplished nothing in life will go to great lenths to feel superior, even for a moment, to those who have accomplished more.", "An in depth discussion of the pros and cons of front seat conveyance verses the choice of traveling in the posterior area.", "I sing Friday Friday gotta get down on Friday every Friday. I'm convinced 90% of people don't get the reference.", "Now I just wish it was Friday.", "4K for a birthday present or one Christmas present is. And if it wasn’t a present then it’s even more ridiculous.", "But I can figure that out by watching the content(using my own brain, and judging by my own tastes) or could also just as easily look at the comments.", "Too true.", "wtf lol I was genuinely expecting a rick roll but you were serious", "To paraphrase a certain Pirate movie..\n\n\"This is the worst song I have ever heard.\" \n\"But you have heard it.\"", "Still proud of her", "Yeah. I didn’t look away in time", "Ha! “That’s just like, your opinion man”", "Never stop never not banging", "Fuck Google.", "Anybody remember when Rebecca Black presented YouTube Rewind when they first started doing it? It was actually pretty nice. Almost like an awards show.", "Cigarette burns, fast cars, fast women, and cheap drinks", "It's like a music video glamor shots with the same expected level of results.", "Patrice Wilson", "I may have bad reading comprehension atm, but it genuinely doesn't feel like that is nothing short of a compliment.", "Wtf did I just watch?", "Laps of Judgement is where I had to sit when I was got bad grades in school. Usually grandma, first, then grandpa. I'd have to tell them I wasn't doing my homework while they looked at me sternly, shaking their heads.", "It is a banger though.", "What a fucking meme. People will see this and just nod, should we cry or laugh, I don't know", "I heard this on the radio the other day. Ugh the cringe.", "Posting this where innocent people may find it is a warcrime. I'll see you at the Hague you monster.", "That sounded like the experience of a seizure.", "\\>tries to start a music career\n\n\\>task failed successfuly", "There is an extension called \"Return Youtube Dislike\" that shows cashed dislikes. This video has 4million dislikes", "ALL BANGERS, ALL THE TIME.", "[She looks like the girl with the white rabbit tattoo at beginning of the Matrix.](https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3f005befb050e3a852994a88b17f7c18)", "Her remix is awesome haha \nhttps://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y", "Dislikes(down-vote) are a metric that help to track public opinion and without them the like(up-vote) counter means nothing. I agree that trolls may sometimes attempt to exploit the system, that's not an excuse to remove the data. The song referenced in the post here is the perfect example of why seeing both or neither is a good system. Out of curiosity, Do you think the new system of removing dislikes is better?", "It turns out being 14 is the epitome of cringe and is a garbage indicator of your future.", "Definitely did not remember that there was a rap part either. That was pretty weird", "Probably did", "Idk what culture/genre this is, but holy shit is it anxiety inducing. I'll not be giving that a rewatch.\n\nAlso apparently Rebecca Black looks exactly like the White Rabbit girl from the first Matrix lol", "Hello darkness my old friend....", "Are you trying to tell me Tosh is still relevant in any reality?", "Death threats are beyond criticism. I'm trying to figure out how a death threat is ok in your view though. Someone might say \"maybe you shouldn't sing anymore\" or recommend lessons. If I take those lessons and still suck or if my mother actually thought I was the next Wayne Newton and then produced a show for me should my life be threatened? Seems what you say would be a hard thing for a 13 year old to pick up on. People can and do have an unrealistic view of their children's talent but to blame the child for their parents help seems wrong. How can a 13 year old process a death threat because she made a video? Why should a 13 year old be punished for her parents trying to help her.", "Doin' laps doin' laps. YEAH \n\nJust the one. Just the one. YEAH\n\nFun. Fun. Fun. Fun.", "Dam hate the song not the singer, some people are just beyond stupid like we need a word for both bad and wrong like wrobad or badong, yes this is badong.", "https://youtu.be/5sN7kgEw954", "What happens when you legalize toad licking.", "Turns out the OP is at 4M down votes for those interested", "Oh so melodramatic, it's just a dislike counter. Removing a feature is not dominating the customer. The whole thumbs up/down system is ridiculous anyway, it's needlessly reductive and binary. Why are people so attached to this system? Even the old five star rating system was better.", "I uploaded a YouTube video that got 1500 views. \n\nI gained 50k usd from it. \n\nIt's not always about the ads", "Fun fun fun fun looking forward to the weekend!", "Yeah, you're right, if it's not on the top 100 list, it's not worth listening to. \n\n\nUgh, talk about fucking entitled.", "It really is just a way too long meme parody and it is still better by a mile.", "Great song to listen to any day of the week!", "You aren’t technically completely wrong. They are removing the button because of the toxic morons and trolls who bully others and disliked an Anthony Fauci video where it talks about the facts of the coronavirus. But it assuredly has nothing to do with the government but rather toxicity in general.", "how could this only have 1.3 million likes really", "there isn't anything wrong with that. it's a great business idea.\n\n\ni take issue that her parents leveraged the internet backlash against the video/their kid to pressure him to give up His intellectual property rights. she may sing the song in the video but he is the one that wrote it and in the original contract it was stipulated that he retained ownership over His IP. the video and other uses of the song have generated a fair bit of money over the past decade. ethically that money belongs to him (artists deserve both credit and equity in their IP), but legally he no longer has those rights. granted worse stuff happens to artists in the music industry every day but for this particular episode it's worth noting her parents screwed a working artist out of his rightful gains.", "And it is!", "Booba.", "Anyone know why I can still see the number of dislikes? I see people say they're gone, but I'm still getting them on my end.", "Right my bad", "Dunno what video you're talking about, what'd they get wrong on building a PC?", "Yeah her music now is pretty great! \nAnd she still kept the video up on her YouTube 😂 \n\nThis girl seems cool AF tbh", "You weren't lying. Damn.", "Fellow millennial here, I can confirm that 100 gecs does indeed slap.\n\nHyperpop is the future, old man!", "Yeah, I felt sorry for her for all the bullying then sorry even more for all of us that had to watch that hot garbage.", "No one said that but ok. Just telling them the name of the genre", "Monkey's paws I guess. You get to be youtube famous but everybody hates you. Might be terrible for some people, but there's a long line of people at the ready to take that deal.", "I prefer sirum to mossive. Now when it comes to audio maxing and mustering I like to throw a little ozine and nutron into the mix", "Humanity is to the point where we prefer to tear others down instead of bettering ourselves in any way.\n\nIt is easier tbf.", "it's def a mish mash. PC music \"invented\" it but it'd be stagnant without the younger artists like glaive, brakence, fromtheheart etc embracing the chaos", "Arent these posts suppose to be about something that's not actually good?", "no now is a fucking masterpiece", "[Return YouTube Dislike](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)", "Yeah, but I mean, Kurt's song would sound good regardless of who he invited there, because he is (not just a music) genius.", "https://youtu.be/hAFau7OGS1U\n\nThe Conan song she stole from.", "Christ reading this was like looking at my iPod Nanos playlist from that time. I still have my DotDotCurve t-shirts too! It was definitely a genre people heard for a year or so and then either forgot or willingly forgot about lol", "But I already knew that Thursday doesn't even start and it's [Friday, I'm in love](https://youtu.be/Dt7oMSOB7nw).", "When you wish for fame but get infamy.", "OP sounds pretty butt hurt.", "I’d kick it in the backseat of a two seater!", "Yeah. That's nothing. I think I spend more on restaurants in a year", "How is this still hilarious all these years later", "https://youtu.be/QsPrE4NCnA4\n\nDon't see this commented yet so I feel obligated. This makes the song worthwhile. With Urbaniak and Wil Wheaton.", "It’s honestly a catchy song. It’s also funny to play it in Fridays in the office. Half the people get into it and half the people groan laugh.", "Thanks YouTube for taking away the dislikes. It makes so much sense /s", "The remix is pretty fun.", "I know, I was mostly showing evidence that she can, in fact, sing.", "I bet they're going to bring back Rewind YouTube next year or future date... Now that dislike button is gone.", "Tosh is really giving off Jiminy Glick vibes in the interview", "It's naive to think a child is fine cause her parents have money", "Hyperpop", "FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN FUN", "The criticisms for removing dislikes are valid I feel like. People can't see if a DIY video is even useful now...\n\n\nThat said, there's merit to what you say.\n\n\nPeople, and especially groups of people* abuse the fuck out of reviews, dislike buttons, etc for really fucked up purposes. \n\nIt can be both things, but I don't see enough people mentioning how many people get outraged about literally anything, form a posse and review bomb the shit out of things or dislike bomb the shit out of things.\n\nThing is they often times think it's reflective of the real world. It's not.", "I still can’t get through it even with Colbert.", "That is how popular music usually works. Most people making the good popular music are 10-20 years older than the teens listening to it.", "/u/sage6paths was probably one of them.", "This video basically ruined her life", "Oh damn I watched it from somebody else's comment (but skipped the end behind-the-scenes stuff) and assumed Black never appeared at all. Now you made me rewatch. That's pretty cool.", "Do you really need me to explain the joke that prompted this post to the front page of Reddit or are just getting angry because you don’t like the joke?", "It’s free thinkers who need to know ratios whether to like something or not duh", "No he's trying to say her webredemption on Tosh.0 was funny", "Love her or hate her she is spitting straight facts", "[Bohemian Rhapsody](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ) has pretty much the same (0.84%)\n\n1,428,449,015 views and 9.9 million likes.", "Anyone else kinda get hit in the nostalgia feel zone? I remember being a degenerate pothead/opiate addict working at Red lobster with 5 of my closest friends, blasting this song on the line while we sang along in a stoned haze. \n\nWhile I'm in a much better place now, i cant help but to look back at those simpler times with a modicum of melancholy. No real responsibilities and the biggest thing to worry about was the friday night dinner rush... oh life, how you bamboozle me at the strangest of times. It really is beautiful. Seaswine loves you all.", "1 million subs/followers doesn’t mean much these days", "Interesting yes, but I also feel like it just makes so, so much sense.", "Death threats is what you get when you don't listen to the criticism you would have gotten if you worked for the record deal instead of buying it. I never said they're ok. I said they are inevitable when you're a shitty, talentless, spoiled kid with rich stupid parents you put you on display thinking that their rich privilege bubble will protect them from real-as-fuck consequences. And is she dead? People talk shit on the internet.", "WE SO EXCITED", "Haha yeah this makes sense. I heard that videos on biden and harris were amongst the lowest voted videos. I don’t know if that’s true or not though", "I mean the chorus has always been catchy and fun, you gotta give Patrice Wilson some credit.", "Someone did that in our slack channel for the whole company. Pretty sure HR put them up to it.", "Guess I should have added /s. Figured joking about Tosh didn't need it, but ¯\\\\\\_(ツ)\\_/¯", "Its so bad especially when she just starts listing the days of the week", "So where is the proof that these are why YouTube did it?", "The second one is listenable at least but first.. Are you sure we're watching the same thing because it honestly sounds terrible", "It's the same black guy who does the featured verse. Is that the song writer? Or just a lucky guy who gets the nod to make bank off these kids? \n\nHis lyrics are way better so if he is the song writer he keeps all the good material for himself lol", "At the office we had a Friday playlist, that song was included.", "I like innocent fun :(", "It's not even about monetization. A pop music channel should be able to have every video monetized pretty easily.\n\nIt's the fact that 1.5 Million subs, while a large number, is a pretty small beans channel on youtube. \n\n[Even 30 million subs wouldn't get you into the top 100](https://socialblade.com/youtube/top/100/mostsubscribed).\n\nHer channel simply does not have enough eyes looking at it to generate that much revenue.", "Smaller vid. Say i want to solder this piece of thing to a board. I YouTube the correct pins so to not fuck it up. \n\nOne vid has 10k views but almost 90% dislikes.\n\nOne vid has 2k views but all likes. \n\nWhich one do you think Id watch?\n\nThe one with an Indian accent ofc. But you get the idea.", "How do you know the number of dislikes", "Now I know how my parents felt about my music..", "Bitches hate her cuz they ain’t her!", "Why oh why did they remove the dislike button, here is my 👎 button to shove up YouTubes ass", "I unironically enjoy this song now.", "That shows some character to plow through the negativity and keep the name recognition", "WHERE IS JA?!", "What Paige did next….", "Yeah, the Rebecca Black case is actually an argument for Youtube's official reason for removing the dislike count.", "I don't know why you specified 'new', as it's been the norm that most if not all pop music (from now and basically all of pop music history) has creative teams behind the scenes. [She also has writing credits songs from her most recent EP, where this is from](https://rebecca-black.fandom.com/wiki/Rebecca_Black_Was_Here) so I don't know why you're saying otherwise. [I know vocal processing is done, and I never said otherwise. [Autotune is a staple of modern music universally now.](https://youtu.be/05hTQC1CZko?t=206)\n\nIf you didn't really care, why did you comment this partially unrelated stuff on a post sharing some songs? All I said was \"I like this song\" and you took it as a reason to belittle an entire music industry. No one's been saying \"wow it's crazy how she's completely become such a perfect natural singer and musician all by herself!\". I think it's really condescending and quite frankly insulting that you're diminishing an entire class of artistry as just \"looking sexy\"...", "Middle class having $4k to just drop on a song for their daughter?", "BACON ON A FRIED EGG", "Oh yeah, no doubt.\n\nedit: It was not ironic. I really think she can sing.", "there's this and then there's this gem : https://youtu.be/51a1iZSf1bE", "That was my exact thought. Like, I get it with regards to tutorial videos and such, but this is such a perfect example of dislikes being completely unnecessary and only doing harm.", "Same same. Also too much blow probably", "My local am sport radio station plays this relentlessly every damn friday", "Only because CrabCore got stuck in a slapTrapCrabPaddy", "\| Thx\n\nThanks", "I was going to make a comment on how her lyrics still really leave something to be desired, but then I remembered Migos is somehow still a thing, sooo…..", "Does it still post every Friday?", "Maybe I'm being an asshole, but I don't think you know what \"entitled\" means.\n\nExplain to me how I'm entitled.", "That's the joke...", "Idk, but Next Friday they'll be a week older.", "I just listened to it again and it's awful. No one deserves to be bullied at 14 for something they had no control over at all (or bullied in general at 14) but that song is awful and well below 'a couple of notches mainstream pop'. Sorry.", "I mean, it's decent but it'll never top her other release [Gang Fight](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GaKaGwch0U)", "Motherfucker…", "\"Gotta get down on fried eggs\". This mfer spittin", "Yo did that Panda eat its baby?", "Hmmm. Tempting. Should I do it?", "Especially actors that portray villains well. Do a bad acting job and everyone shits on you, do a good job and people believe you’re an actual villain in real life and treat you accordingly", "Theres an anti vax video that has thousands of likes. I might actually believe them now...", "I did some math from quick Google searching. An average of $0.18 per add view is what YouTube charges its advertisers. Yet, YouTube pays out, on the low end, $0.003 per view to the creator. Even with that, YouTube made over $27.5 mil after paying out under $500k, if all views had ads.\n\nThat can pay for some serious fun fun fun fun.\n\nEdit: gremar and, speling", "I don't remember her voice being so flat. I remember at least a couple note changes in the verse.", "Have you heard any of her recent stuff? It's not bad at all. She also seems cool as hell.", "Catillsday", "For that you need [Slick Mick.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)", "Yes, I was going to comment on what it says about your thoughts on pop in general but I saw someone else already had at the time, lol. I'm a regular r/popheads lurker and this is certainly nothing comparable to even mediocre billboard stuff...", "So what you're saying is everyone who reads this post should set this up and then abandon facebook.", "I'm really digging her song [Worth It for the Feeling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c)", "It was her and probably her parents decision to post it to the internet, have to take the good with the bad whenever you put something out there, and it was flat out bad lol", "my daughter took vocal lessons for years and not once did she learn how to do that with her voice. amazing. lol", "A whopping 4k.", "She did a lot with KHS a few years back. Her cover of Baby its Cold Outside is unironically on my Christmas favourites playlist.", "WakkaWakka crew represent!", "it honestly is a catchy pop tune, autotune/dumb lyrics aside.", "Tss, kids. Back in my day we used pencils to rewind our cassettes.", "His show never stopped bing great so yeah sure.", "Just comment \"I Disliked this\"", "Did you deactivate your account? Otherwise someoneones profile with nothing but hundreds of Friday videos is hilarious", "I just hit dislike", "Anyone seen recent pictures of her? SHE'S a banger!", "We sing this every Friday. It’s one of the first song my five year old learned all the words to. I like when Charlemagne and Envy did it on the breakfast club", "Imagine being so up your own ass you think people hating a legitimately garbage song has anything to do with sexism.", "I genuinely love this song. Love how unbelievably terrible it is.", "Turns out failing upwards can work.", "what has music become...", "Posting “Friday” on a Monday is beautifully depressing.", "\"Facts...\" Lol", "Why would you post this on a Monday?", "> Most big influencers have actual sponsors and bring in way more than $500k.\n\nYes, but this conversation is specifically about ad revenue from youtube. As in, you click a video, see a 30s ad, and the creator gets money from it.\n\nAnd I'm a millennial working in IT, by the way. I definitely know how the internet works.", "Oh man 2oh¡3 were the bomb when I was like 18.\nCrazy that's over 10 yrs ago", "No dislikes on YouTube is so dangerous. Many use YouTube for tutorials, guides, and information. How can i discern the good from the bad if there are no dislikes on the video? Sometimes the comments are fake or don't give a good measure of whether the video is trustworthy.", "Exactly this. I have seen some excellent YouTube videos teaching various concepts I was trying to learn while in college. I've also seen some shitty ones that had incorrect information. The bad ones always had much higher dislike ratios than the good ones. How do I judge the quality of the video now if I can't see the dislikes? What if I wouldn't otherwise know I was being given bad info if there wasn't something like dislikes to clue me in?", "Did you know ddc released a new album like a week ago after like a decade of nothing \n\nIt sounds like knockoff suicide boys and stuff lmao", "The song of my people", "She’s kinda hot now", "https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi", "Hyperpop is showing up in tv ads.", "[10th Anniversary Hyperpop Remix](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCFOcqsnc9Y)", "Her new music is actually pretty good", "Wasn't it the terrible rap interlude guy who wrote and produced it?\n\nI thought I remebered reading that it was his business to take money from these helicopter parents to make videos for them.", "This song is still relevant to me because for the last 10 years coworkers or family will play it at least once a month to screw with me or someone else.\n\nI went from hating her to respecting her because she wanted fame and 10 years later I hear her song more than a lot of big bands that had radio play in the 90s. A ton of one hit wonders would kill for what she has.", "I have never been able to make it more than 27 seconds into this one, but her new stuff actually isn’t bad", "It is in fact a banger", "Well, the other day I linked the latest video of a certain avocado person as a joke and then watched it. Seems to be there is money in being internet-hated. I doubt that makes of a long or productive or healthy life.\n\nThe way I see it she was just a teenager with a teenage dream of recognition and adoration. And her parents bought her what seemed to be that dream which turned into a nightmare. And having watched that back then, I feel complicit.", "That's a bop", "Rule #32: Enjoy the Little Things", "Oh hell no, I did not lmao. That's amazing. I'll have to check it out", "Look at Rebecca Black... So inspirational", " I'd rather be Rick Rolled.", "Someone needs to feed the song lyrics into GPT-3 and actually have it write a sequel ...", "Yep. I see videos that my kids are making and watching, and they will laugh hysterically. I told my husband that I just don’t get it, but that’s okay. I don’t have to.", "I dunno, I feel a sort of solidarity with her. Like she represents what could have happened to any of us if our cringy moments went viral.", "I was looking for this, thanks for not letting me down.", "\" I got a big . freaking WATCH !\"", "I wonder if the extension can integrate this data set to better serve up dislike counts?", "Okay fine I'll go change my Dislike to Like.", "There's cold blooded murder, head chopping videos on [documentingreality.com](https://documentingreality.com) that I find easier to watch than this. It's so bad that producer just had to know it. He had to", "In retrospect - it holds up to a lot of today's music standards", "Love me some Becca Black! The lyrics speak to me.", " Yes, puncture a hole in the hull and abandon the ship.", "That's way better", "Yeah she had a few songs to choose from, and they went with Friday. It was literally just her trying to do something fun with her school friends.", "no dislikes.... only platinum", "That’s not… really the same thing at all…", "Wtf was that friday remix? Someone find me some ear bleach.", "Who TF posts this on a Monday??", "Krysten Ritter?! Then you must be on the same drugs as Jane from breaking bad", "Colbert had a entire show dedicated to how god awful this song was", "at least post on a friday you dolt", "Well it wasn't just that... 99% of cringe videos hit youtube with little to no notice. Maybe one or 2 cringe channels will give it a 5 second spot, and if you don't streisand it it will vanish into obscurity. Blacks parents paid $4,000 to a record label have it made and promote it.", "Wow. Hadn't seen that. I kinda genuinely loved it.", "i mean, music is eh.. but she pretty damn cute ..", "Better than any nicki minaj song though. Or ariana hrande’s", "AMAZING DANCING!", " That's why I avoid social media like the plague. For every one that gets famous, that's a bunch of others living a living hell.", "Pepperidge Farm remembers", "My cousin was their A&R and I accidentally stepped on one of their heads while they were asleep on the floor in her place in Silverlake lol\n\nThat’s my 3oh!3 story", "It's pretty sick ngl", "So now she’s dressed like a hooker…hmm", "I used to work Sunday through Wednesday. My shift mates and I played this song on full volume at the end of our morning meeting on Wednesdays.", "Honestly this is so good for a kid who just worked her ass off on it. I would be a proud dad if my kid pulled that off.", "We’ve always done that. What we’re actually doing, slowly, is getting better about that.", "Fine, big shot know it all, tell me why I'm wrong, without the eyeroll worthy condescending remarks. \n\n\n\nGonna need a real argument, not just a copy and pasted one sentence retort", "Thank god ad revenue is a tiny portion of influencer earnings and the majority is sponsorship deals. Current rate is around $10/1000 average viewers per video/post, so someone with a million followers might get 33% of that per video. $10x333= $3,330.\n\nIf she does one sponsorship once a week per account, she’s making $6500 weekly, $338k yearly. Ridiculously easy to do 5-10 ads a week on Instagram and make tens of thousands weekly \n\nThis conversation was not just about ad revenue. It was about if someone with 1-1.5 million Instagram and YouTube followers/subs could easily make $1mil yearly off of only YouTube and Instagram. With ads on Instagram alone she could be making 1.5mil+ (5 ads a week)", "Fuck you.", "I mean there’s an entire branch of the military that probably have that tattooed on their ass.", "Lol you're comparing braces (often helped by insurance) to making a music video?", "Did she not get money from the millions of views", ">My secret fantasy was that I would die\n\nI feel like this should be the official slogan of the Reddit comment section", "Part of the problem here is mistaking like/dislike ratios for an accurate representation of what the 'masses' think. Youtube videos aren't universal polls, they're selectively targeted to users based on what the algo thinks will push people's buttons (positively or negatively) which leads to a lot of confirmation bias.", " That's a real problem with soap opera villains.\n\n\n Also, if you play the gold guy, people think you're automatically good in real life and that that is your personality.", "Patrice Wilson is also a complete fucking sack of creepiness. The guy made a fortune off selling stardom to pre teens", "Thank you for that I found it hilarious. The drummer was funny too looked like we had about to bust up laughing a couple of times.", "Thanks", "Unbelievable. I imagine the editing costs lots.", "Nah. She gets my respect for how she's dealt with all the negative attention.", "Honestly, I've never minded being rickrolled. Because the song is a banger.\n\nBut goddamn, in an alternate universe where being rickrolled is being fridayed, I would fucking hate it.", "I love her song.", "It's absolutely nuts what you can do with programmed percussion now. A lot of death metal bands nowadays use programmed drums early in their recording career because finding a drummer that can keep up with tech death is not easy. Like you'd never know Shadow of Intent's debut album Primordial doesn't have a human drummer unless someone told you, there are people in the youtube comments of this album praising the drums having no idea", "This is revisionist history.", "This is a certified what the deuce classic", "This is an interesting nostalgic moment for me. There was a point where this video was the biggest problem in my life.", "Gotta have my bowl.", "Pretty much my exact reaction to hearing 100 gecs for the first time. \"This has to be ironic, no one is actually listening to this...\". \nThen a few days later one of the songs was randomly stuck in my head. Gave it a second listen. Then a third, fourth and twentieth. \n\nKnow the warning signs, before it's too late. Hyperpop is insidious and addictive.", "Im in eastern Canada and I still see dislikes? Is it only a matter of time?", "Cultural appropriation", "I am 100% certain that I have no desire to click whatever that link is", "thats not bad", "Youtube rewind no dislikes", "I'm taking massively popular to mean that moms are listening to it, e.g. Adele, Taylor Swift.\n\nI fucken love 100 gecs, but they're not there.", "This video came out when I was in college, and lemme tell you, after a week or two of roasting it we were playing it fully unironically at parties, and people went absolutely WILD. It was one of the defining dance songs of the year.\n\nI don’t care if the lyrics and the video and the origin story are ridiculous. This song absolutely slaps, and so does the Bad Lip Reading parody “Gang Fight.”", "Is that actually her in the bbno$ video? Looks like a man in drag, or a woman done up to look like a man in drag.", "[I'm surprised nobody mentioned Bart Baker's Rebecca Black Friday parody. In my opinion it's the funniest one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVlY3ZTrBkw)", "Fuck yeah it is", "Shout out to MySpace for realizing how cringe my teenage years were and having my back.", "Wow a typo, better correct it", " Me too...\n\nI mean, if you don't like it just avoid it.\n\n Don't get upset because people enjoy the simple things in life and are happy, you too will be happy with something else.", "I believe that's the plan.\n\n>The backend will switch to using a combination of archived dislike stats, estimates extrapolated from extension user data, and estimates based on view/like ratios for videos whose dislikes weren't archived as well as outdated dislike count archives.", "Love her new music. Definitely unique but pretty good", "It is, but you're not ready for that conversation.", "EVERYBODY'S RUSSIAN", "There's an addon on Firefox to show the dislikes.", "Is that how pandas give birth? Fuckin chucked that thing out like a softball.", "Even among some friends I know that listen to Charli XCX, they weren't as familiar with her more hyperpop type tracks, they really only knew her really popular, more accessible stuff.", "What? No we aren't. Not even remotely, social media and a 24h media cycle has made it even worse.", "Is she lgbt? I will immediately fall in love if she is 😭", "Eddie Murphy", "I'm an old millennial and it's not that hard if you ease into the genre. Example path:\n\nCharli XCX: Vroom Vroom, Pop2 \nPC Music: generally \nDorian Electra: after their Refinery29 era \n100 gecs \nfood house", "I remember the lyrics like it was yesterday", "Cock push-ups?", "Yeah I love hyperpop but I'd imagine most people still know her as [the \"Boom Clap\" girl](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOPMlIIg_38) or from that one [Icona Pop track](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxxajLWwzqY).\n\nAlthough every album she drops is incredible. How i'm feeling now might be my AOTY 2020.", "She went to a rival high school and I knew a bunch of kids at my school who's life mission was just to fuck with her, cruel tbh.", "Tbf I feel like Friday, a silly video a 13 year old made and got absolutely eviscerated for, is the exact kind of harassment YouTube claims it’s trying to avoid by removing the dislike button. I still think it’s a stupid move by YouTube and won’t do a thing to stop the internet mob", "She’s got some great… assets", "Lol wow, I never woulda guessed she's legitimately funny", "Wow. \"Death threats is what you get when you don't listen\"........said every abuser and serial killer. Have a great rest of your day!", "We still play it on Fridays here. The stupid parts make it better, imo.", "The weirdest part about this whole thing is that, out of all the cities in the world, they chose Auckland for their stock background.", "You know you’ve found the perfect level of pretension if I literally can’t tell if you’re fucking with me or not.", "I had no idea Tosh was still going lmao he's actually still pretty funny", "A few more steps till it becomes Jojo's Bizarre Adventure.", "absolute banger.", "Dude commenting above had [a great example of what we thought was cool in the 90s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBS4Gi1y_nc) and parents def couldn't understand.", "I didn't know he was still going", "He does. I've been to a few of [the tapings of the show]. But shows like this also do pre-recording of the audience laughing before the show even starts performing the episode, so they can be mixed-in and augmented in post-production. \n\nSo yes, we are laughing, but not as much as it appears when you watch the broadcast.\n\nedit: They ask us to laugh (at nothing) multiple times, and they record it. Sometimes they will record other reactions too. This way, when they mix in the \"laugh track\" it fits in with the unique sound of the actual audience watching.\n\nedit2: More info - Episodes that have a seriously gross out part might pre-record gross reactions.\n\nedt3: Even more info - The reason is because each segment is typically performed multiple times, so our reactions aren't consistent because we've already seen him do it (and likely flub a line or just not perform it optimally). Yes, each segment multiple times until Tosh (or the director) feels that he got it right.", "I have to admit, when this came out, I was like, \"is it really that bad?\" Now that I have listened to it again....Yes, yes it is that bad.", "Unironically, yes.", "Not like it was Friday?", "I think most people would need therapy after the sheer amount of bashing she got", "As bad as this is, and it's atrocious, I'd still prefer this over some Black Eyed Peas songs. That might because they have a few songs that are certified bangers so the contrast is higher I guess? Since I don't have any other songs of hers I've heard to compare it to it's just a generic bad song not someone capable of something great cranking out a cash grab.", "I made it to the start of the 2nd line. Now I have ptsd.", "4 million dislikes btw", "She was publicly humiliated by simply releasing the song lol.", "Braces with insurance can cost up to $4k.\n\nWhat it’s spent on isn’t the point, the point is that having $4k to spend doesn’t make you rich.", "You can’t. They’re literally remixing the world into their own view from their influences, and where you see a cube they see a square. Life hasn’t given them t he experience to see the depth yet, so they’re putting together shapes in ways that don’t make sense to you but does to them, creating new shapes.\n\nYou can relate to the parts, but they’ll always be their own unique whole.", "After I poorly explain the reference, I'll try showing people the video and I just keep digging myself into a deeper and deeper grave of regret", "I wouldn't say Charli laid the groundwork but she definitely catapulted popularized it working with so many hyperpop artists", "Ouch! My ears!\n\n-a Gen Xer.", "How do you know if they removed the dislike button?", "seriously I didn't remember it was that bad. omfg....", "Yep. The point of this company was to let kids have the experience of being a musician, recording the song, shooting the video, etc. They/she had no clue the volume of people that would view it and there were a lot of unintended consequences. Say what you want about the privilege and whatever if her parents paid to have a music video shot. No one deserves the flak she took for no reason. \n\nAt least now it seems like she’s doing well for herself", "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhwfPwaRjjA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhwfPwaRjjA)\n\nLove this parody.", "Actually there is no way to judge from that video. No dislikes.", "Your mind has better auto-tune than what was used for the song.", "I always hear about people getting these kinds of death threats, but what do those actually sound like? Do genuinely angry people somehow find her phone number and call her up like “that song was so bad that I’m gonna fuckin kill you, little girl. Take it off Spotify or you’re dead meat. You have 7 days” or like seriously what do these threats normally look like? I’ve never understood", "I remember when making fun of this child was a personality trait for a lot of people", "It's actually on par with most vapid pop hits. How people can make fun of this song but then actually like Katy Perry is beyond me.", "This is how people imagined music of the future and it has come true.", ">The media\n\nIt was people. It was the community on reddit, Twitter, YouTube, and way more. Calling it \"the media\" doesn't absolve the people who shit on her", "It's the best possible example in favor of removing dislikes from showing. The internet deciding to bully a teenage girl cause she made a bad song is the only reason for the millions of dislikes it has.", "Seems she/he fell out off a balcony this year and died while trying to photo the moon.", ">I mean the vocals are obviously highly edited on that track lol.\n\nWhat song isn't these days?", "Reminds me of robin sparkles", "leg so hot, hot hot leg", "We're gonna have to start measuring a videos worth on it's like to view ratio lol", "Enough to burn 4 thousand dollars on your daughter’s music video and think it’s a good idea?", "I have a let of respect for how she dealt with it. [heres](https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y) her new remix of the song, it's really funny lol", "MY HAND IS A DOLPHIN", "I just watched a documentary on her and she turned into a pretty freakin' cool adult.", "This was the epitome of cringe white affluent kids at the time and good god it still is.", "[I prefer the Bob Dylan Version](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FISHEO3gsM)", "It's actually... pretty good.", "First time i heard this song. No idea what is going on in the comments. Its just a song. Not good, not bad, not cringey, just a basic average song.", "Jesus what a sack of crap. WTF is wrong with people?", "I mean, ya, that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about lol.", "She fucking gorgeous", "Used to slap this in the hood fuckin around", "I read this as altright singer and was very worried", "How fucking tone deaf can someone be? And I'm not talking about the music...", "And right onto some hard ass concrete.", "Inferring Friday is not a banger?", "Yep she's lesbian gay bisexual trans", "Tosh.0 lasted until 2020? That's impressive.", "Can't wait for a remix", "Damn", "This was a long time ago. She’s probably old enough by now to have a mother.", "Wow, you really have to be a special kind of shithead to defend the bullying of a 13 year old girl.", "BLR - gang fight is pure salve for this dumpster fire. https://youtu.be/1GaKaGwch0U", "\"Song\"", "Joke's aside, she's made some legitimately good music since then.", "157 million views and counting. She's crying into her pills of cash because the \"Haters\" have made her rich. \n\nWhat's the point of keeping the dislike button up though? YouTube is flexing.", "Thank God I clicked the comments on this thread. Now I’m all caught up with Rebecca black and how her career is going.", "I just want more artists to be represented lol it’s not inaccurate to use lgbt as a place holder if you don’t know someone’s orientation", "Vastly improved\n\nhttps://youtu.be/Ti1D9t8n0qA", "All at once???", "How are you defending the bullying of a child. You’re acting as if she was worshipping Satan in the song. It’s a silly song that was meant for kids. No reason for an adult to get upset over it", "She has a really really beautiful singing voice. She got so much flack for a song that she was told to sing that it makes me sad watching the update on her life.", "I was thinking someone needs to make this the new rick roll. Like Becca Bounced or something", "A fuckton?", "T-Pain is a great example of this. His musical style uses auto tune but he's still a good singer.", "it really is a banger, always has been.", "Bruh wtf? 100 Gecs are like 30. I'm like 30. Don't be doing millenials dirty like this.", "Is rather be rickrolled a million times that Fridayrolled once.", "Epic level Cringe aside...SIT THE FUCK DOWN IN A MOVING VEHICLE AND WEAR YOUR FUCKEN SEATBELTS !!!!!", "Right? That was a million times worse and more cringe than the original ever was.", "Holy shit, I can't believe that was a decade ago! The older you get, the more the passage of time is just meaningless.", "Honestly though, what did her parents think was going to happen after paying to have that video made?", "It is.", "There's only a problem if you need to look to the likes/dislikes to know if you like something or not.", "They're both cross dressing, Rebecca is the \"man\" and bbno$ is the \"woman\".", ">with dorian electra\n\nWhat did I just watch?\n\nEdit:\n>bbno$\n\nOk that song was wild. Her voice really matured and that was a or cool video.\n\nAnd was that really Rebecca dressed up as Bbno??", "> I had no idea who bbno$ was\n\nLiterally never heard of him until a week ago and now I'm seeing him everywhere. \n[This clip](https://www.twitch.tv/mizkif/clip/SlipperyGentleClipzDxCat-C0T6daxqOwEn_JBw) was my first introduction to him and I love it (sadly that's an unreleased remix of a song that doesn't sound quite the same).", "Well, not at first. But over time...", "It's sort of compelling in a frenetic way. I'm not the kind of Boomer who thinks \"I'm going to hate this music so I won't even try it\", because I always want to learn. It's pretty enjoyable when taken in context.", "I thought it was an amusing song. It's not her fault that people don't have sense of humor. It's good for meme and GIFs.\n\nAnd it IS a banger.", "Googling quickly, I really doubt the figures online of her net worth are accurate at all. None of them have any source and I think they’re based on estimates of payments directly from her video views and iTunes downloads (?), which I’m certain is not all the money she’s ever made lol", "I like this song.", "This might be the weebiest argument ive ever seen.\n\n\"It's not my fault all the sexy immortal vampires were in middle school when they transformed!\"", "Honestly, it is tho", "This is why I have a hard time believe Jason Isaacs could ever be a nice person. I'm sure he is, but I'd have to see it to believe it. ;)", "You're in for a treat my friend \n\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lmfF0k2UcU", "That's exactly as far as I got. I am truly amazed how much worse it is than I remember. Ho-ly-fuck", "Is that her platinum album in the passenger seat? That's an awesome and hilarious fuck you to the haters.", "Posted on the wrong day of the week tho.", "Is this some elaborate joke I’m too dumb to understand? I get that they removed the dislike count but I think I’m missing something here.", "Exactly, it's not meant to be Great Music.", "Fucking Monday fans, dude.", "Can we get dislikes on FB too?", "It's an old clay animation, I guarantee it's not what you're expecting though", "I mean, fuck them too. I was a kid once. It never would have occurred to me to track down the personal phone and email address of other kids and threaten to kill them.\n\nIf it was kids, I doubt they're any less pieces of shit as adults then they were as kids.", "The weird thing is I feel like it’s the people that don’t use YouTube much that care about dislikes. \n\nI just tried looking up a video on how to do some electrical wiring and I couldn’t tell what damn videos were worth clicking. I know there used to be ones to avoid. People using tools wrong and such. Or dangerously incorrect information. \n\nI don’t care about likes on a music video. It’s tutorials and shit that I find frustrating.", "For anyone who isn't aware...\n\nIt's when you lay down... Flat... on the ground... And you let your boner... Lift you up... Off... the ground.", "[It was the best/It was the best/\\OOH AAH](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uYhIiW6lok)", "The panda had twins. The babies are fine. Pandas cant well scoop babies into their arms.", "It just highlights the fucked up mentality of those who bullied her. The song was harmless and was kind of fun/amusing.", ">I bet they make more around $400k a year.\n\nWhat is your source? This is such wild speculation.", "It's not the Internet which is dicks. It's the people who use it.", "Sure, A.G. Cook/Charli XCX/Sophie and the other original hyperpop artists aren't gen z. But Glaive is pretty huge and he's like 16, and he's hardly the only young artist in the genre.\n\nBut yeah, don't think I'd call it a gen z export.", "The way she says “Fun. Fun. Fun. Fun.” At 1:07 will never not make me laugh. Sounds like the she’s having absolutely no fun at all.", "Wow. I never would have guessed they could find a way to make it even worse.", "Lmao that first one reminds me of Brokencyde", "I assumed she was going to be kinda lame. I was wrong, she seems genuinely cool and she can actually sing really well, IMO.\n\nAlso, that panda at the end WHAT THE FUCK", "The backstory to the song is better than the song itself", "While SOPHIE (RIP) was hugely influential to the development of hyperpop, I wouldn't call this hyperpop really. [Immaterial](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kv3yIv9nwf8) off the same album is much closer to how the scene developed post-1000 gecs.", "I dunno, it's not nearly as bad as [this one](https://youtu.be/CF2o5RDkq9A).", "Today it is Monday but yesterday its was Sunday Sunday yesterday it was Sunday Sunday", "-George Carlin", "I assume it was treated as a once in a lifetime opportunity. Middle class families have $4k+ to \"just drop\" on a vacation to Disney - that doesn't make them not middle class.", "I'm well aware the vast of people believe/believed Fauci and Co. and got the shot; and also get/got the boosters. I'm just hoping that it's enough for them, and the forced mandates stop, world wide.", "It was a combination of it being terrible, and excessively extravagant. Her parents were rich and paid for it as a gift, and keep in mind this is in the middle of the great recession, so many people just felt like she embodied wealthy ignorance and was a spoiled child with no talent supported by nepotism.\n\nEdit: to those here arguing with me like I genuinely believe she deserves it, that's not what I'm saying. This is simply an account of what people back then were saying, not a genuine reason to justify it.", "Criticism is not bullying.\n\nIt's a shit song produced by shitty producers. She is the singer of the song and no matter what, the singer gets the flack for singing. It is just what it is. \n\nIt is the responsibility of her parents to not expose her to the public with this utter shit... not the publics responsibility not to respond to it.\n\nP.s. she's not traumatized from bullying. Who in their right mind would follow up with another copy of the song in black skin tight body suit with an even heavier auto-tuned version if they were \"bullied\"? Naw... my bullying left me a gentle social-anxiety disorder where I always seek an escape route in crowded public spaces... that's trauma and not this fake rich girl whiny shit.", "\"I'm 13 years old and driving\" still makes me laugh every time I hear it.", "I mean, I couldn't either but I'm not bragging about it?", "So angry because you don't like the joke.", "Wow, I actually really like her rendition of Bye Bye Bye! But minor covers of 90s songs are my jam\n\nIt's wild that that wasn't even like an artist releasing a song - it was just a fun experience package where the company wrote the song and everything?! I mean, that's like if the internet came after someone's first dance at their wedding video for not being a good professional dancer, damn.", "You're the real hero", "(x) Doubt", "He's so obnoxious to watch. I don't know how I found him funny in the past.", "There’s only a line because they haven’t really understood what it’s like on the other side of it. I bet 99.9% would give it back if they could.", "I mean, I think it had more to do with Tosh.o brining attention to it than the dislikes. Regardless you’re not wrong. Internet was out of line on this one. YouTube should have disabled dislikes on even just this video 10 years ago.", "\"conventions of the genre\" LOL, what? That's hilarious.", "The reason it became the internet's target for hate is because it got so many dislikes", "Depends on the definition of the generations which is a loose thing. For gen z: Researchers and popular media use the mid-to-late 1990s as starting birth years and the early 2010s as ending birth years. For millennials: Researchers and popular media use the early 1980s as starting birth years and the mid-1990s to early 2000s as ending birth years, with the generation typically being defined as people born from 1981 to 1996. I’d say most of the most current hyper pop artists were born in the mid to late 90s. So it’s somewhere in between. But it’s kind of a pointless to try to reserve credit to one generation as music is gradual and fluid.", "No, the absolute majority of modern releases are vocally edited.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7aDN3oujXI", "Not angry, it's just not a good joke...", "As far as she says in interviews.", "Why did I just watch the whole video again.", "So it sounds like just random bullshit chaos wrapped with a dedicated drum beat and piano in the background. Got it.", "[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmNN3jj6WM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExmNN3jj6WM) I like this one a bit better", "if you like Charli you'll probably like Oklou", "This song is one of the few examples where the argument of \"bullying\" is actually a valid reason for removing the dislike button.", "Wait really? Damn that is great for her!", "Ohhhh I see it now. She makes a much more convincing man than bbno$ does a woman lmao.", "> Imagine being a human, on Earth, and getting a hold of a child and threatening to murder them because you think a song they sang was corny.\n\nProbably other children doing the threatening.", "The only ones to blame in my mind are\n\nA) whoever wrote that song's god-awful lyrics\n\nB) whoever uploaded that video as if it was a real artist promoting a real music video, without any kind of \"videoproductions novelty experiences\" watermark or title or context\n\nC) every single douchebag who responded to a 13-year old kid's video with that much hate\n\n&#x200B;\n\nShe couldn't know better at 13, but also her parents couldn't really foresee this - they just saw this popular video making service which, presumably, provided many kids prior with fun videos that they sent to their grandparents and their friends in middle school and felt good about. Imagine walking into your kid's hockey camp or art class or whatever and thinking \"woah woah, now, Mr Rochester, what happens if you post my kid's painting on the internet and for some reason literally the entire world looks at it and they compare it to Van Gogh and threaten to kill my child?\"", "> Do people really go straight to the like/dislike bar before watching the video to tell if it's a good video? \n\nSure, yeah. I had an extension that would display the like/dislike ratio over the thumbnail of the video so I would know what it was before even clicking on it.\n\nBut overall I agree with you. It's not that big of a deal. But occasionally I'll instinctively check the like/dislike count and get irked when it's not there.", "[Omg is that her](https://instagram.com/msrebeccablack)? Forgot how old the Friday video is.", "Clearly they're saying humanity is slowly but surely getting better at tearing people down.", "Apparently most of Reddit disagrees with you. Good luck with this battle though.", "This should be the new Rick roll", "🤮🤮🤮", "Still 4M dislikes.", "I recorded some crap music at 16. Honestly weird to think how glad I am it didn't go viral. (Though paid for it myself)", "Ain't even Friday, my dude.", "Oh hey if it wasn't one of the few videos I 'liked' after YouTube rolled out that playlist nonsense.\n\nTwas this and a handful of the \"Meet the (TF2 Character)\" videos.", "", "The real reason is so Murdoch News Media doesn't get so many dislikes for all their Vids", "fun Fun FUn FUN!", "It's not really about the song itself. It's about people getting validation from their peers when they shit on someone. You see the same behaviour on Reddit every day. This is the society social media has created.", "She was in a Katy Perry music video. She's doing fine, sheesh.", "this song is fine and probably better then most things you like.", "if it was on Tosh.0 it was already old news relative to the internet.", "> youtube has been a wasteland for over a decade\n\nlol what website are you talking about", "That song is a satire, right?\n\n….\n\nThat song is a satire, right?", "N... no it's... that'd be impossible.", "Many show are, or have been for periods of time, made without an audience the last 20 months, because of covid.\n\nThis is one of those.", "Because you were a child? He's pretty terrible but his humor appeals to teenagers.", "I forgot just how bad this was.", "I don't get it, I still have dislikes on YouTube, always have had", "It's like old tv / news footage, I don't remember it looking this bad when I was watching that particular thing but whenever they show things from 10+ years ago, suddenly it looks old.", "Almost as if the feedback from YouTube gave her an hint of what the people seemed to like..", "It’s Monday Monday got to get down on Monday", "Thanks, I'd rather listen to Friday.", "No sosig? Your max must be weak", "Fries day by annoying orange was our fam jam. It still occasionally pops up when we having fries.", "I put this on repeat on an all nighter in collage lmfaoooooo. It was catchy enough, and putting it on repeat helps it blend into the background. That song got me into med school y'all 😂", "She's hot and her music has come a LONG way.", "Nothing beats the [Fun Fun Fun Fun Remix](https://youtu.be/VrAjPXykbXA)", "Hearing that hurt when it first released. It was added for some ungodly reason to Spotify’s new Music Friday", "Didn't the one of the girls sitting in the back of the car get a lot of flak as well?", "I was in 6th or 7th grade when this song came out. Our English teacher would play it EVERY Friday and make us stay and listen. She was obsessed with it. It was this ritual she would not let go of and she was convinced we all loved the song. \n\nWhen I say obsessed I mean she would started singing it and get hysterical and get red in the face and basically start crying. \n\nEach year I get older the less crazy she seems. I think she was divorced and had some mental issues, there were a lot more signs but this one I will never forget.", "Ads didn't start appearing on YT until 2009.", "I'm an old millennial and I like some of Dorian Electra's music, but Edgelord ain't one of them lol.", "...Jesus. That hurts to watch. And to listen to.", "Because they were the ones doing it dummy! \n\nMy comments aren't downvoted either, but yours are. lol", "Never heard of her but I can see in the comments that apparently in the past it wasn’t well received? I didn’t much like it myself but someone said death threats? Wow. Can someone fill me in on what happened?", "Nice", "YT is out of control already :(", "It certainly didn't age well (nor release)", "This will be buried but:\n\nA podcast called “Decoder Ring” did an episode on this song that is very worth listening to. Goes through the formation of the company that produced it, why the song is so infectious despite being bad, and the affect it had on Black, who was just a child.", "It was a prediction for a cryptocurrency. For investers. \n\nWas featured in a newpaper for predicting the extreme price jump two weeks in advance. \n\nSimple logic but people don't like to think.", "Leeeeee Leeeeee Leeeeeee Leeeeeee leeleelee leelee leeleeleelee we're talking fucking lee", "This is already ten years old. Holy shit.", "It’s supposed to be derogatory. Kinda like if they said “if you ordered Katy Perry off Wish.” It’s the whole knockoff is not as good thing.\n\nI’m with you though. Putting someone in that category even if not as good is still a compliment. I had someone that liked calling me Marky Mark as a young adult (I never saw it) like it was a bad thing. I never took it that way though. The man was a Kelvin Klein model ffs. I will happily be compared.", "I'm way older too and am a pretty big fan myself.", "Yeah, but the website Celebrity Net Worth is likely unreliable. If you ever look to find out where they get their numbers, they don't really say. It's vague. Their strategy was to dominate the search engine market for net worth queries, which they did. Other than that, I'm not sure if we can trust it too much.\n\n(Yes, I'm fun at parties.)", "What are these little frillies around the letters?", "They brought her on GMA and either read or had her recall a lot of the terrible things people said about her online. Calling her ugly and that she should cut herself or kill herself. She was 13.", "There are extensions you can get to bring back the counter.", "I actually like this. The rage faces in the car were a wonderful little touch lol", "Kids absolutely hate it when I play the song on their Alexa from a different room😹", "\"I have empathy but not really tho.\"", "I remember this being released when I was in high-school. Still hilarious 10 years later. I gotta admit though I'm hella surprised at the no dislikes. Untouched from a time before trolls existed apparently", "Something I learned recently. Rebecca Black said because of hate that came from this song, she needed years of therapy.", "There are some good instrumental renditions. It sounds good in string and chiptune.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP887IpQL00", "Hyperpop was my second most-listened-to genre this year, according to my Spotify wrapped. \n\nSOPHIE was one of my favorite producers and when she died earlier this year I guess I went a bit overboard with the hyperpop….but honestly it’s great fun!", "This comment would make great lyrics.", "Not saying she can't sing at all but that vocal is incredibly processed compared to the acoustic image they are portraying.", "[https://www.hawtcelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/rebecca-black-instagram-pictures-07-06-2019-2.jpg](https://www.hawtcelebs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/rebecca-black-instagram-pictures-07-06-2019-2.jpg)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nthat's a banger alright....", "It's more like: Be raised by rich parents and no matter what you do doors will still be open.", "What about oot", "God is at the finish line, whipping you. 'MORE!'", "I was a goofy kid that did cringy things in the 80s and 90s. I thank almighty dog every day there wasn't any real internet at the time. All the fun, none of the evidence.", "Lol 😆", "Ironically to the title this video is a good example of the negative consequences of viral bullying", "Yeah totes lols. Dense as a Vietnamese jungle you are.", "Like, are we talking about the lyrics here? Some middle aged dude wrote that?\n\nBecause the lyrics are what I expect from some kid who never wrote a song before. Like if it was a school assignment and everyone had a week to write a song this what I would expect most of the lyrics to look like lol. \n\nI am shocked if someone else wrote those lyrics.", "I love the In Hell remix version.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/Ti1D9t8n0qA", "Haha its my favorite genre. I totally get why people hate it but this shit is unironically good to me", "CHANGE SCARES ME\n\nWHERE IS MY POP PUNK. GODDAMNIT.", "It actually is a banger", "Werdy werd!", "Wait tosh. O is still on TV?", "may be cringe but at least it shows a music video that is real lol. Lone boy waving his hand out the window, kids with braces & kids awkwardly smiling like they give a fuck.\n\nAdded bonus \" dang we forgot the black kid, let's sneak this extra clip in there.\"\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFucking classic!", "I️ knew this song existed but never actually heard it... holy hell... what an amazing song.\n\nShe should do the whole week.", "Well friend is a veterinarian in a smallish midwest town and makes about $350k solo, so I would imagine 2 people in their 40s/50s as vets in CA make at least that between their dual incomes. Also the average incomes for vets in that city with over 10 years experience is about $200k (https://www.indeed.com/career/veterinarian/salaries/Irvine--CA). But I find averages for salaries on indeed to be a bit low for experience (according to my city/experience/average salary for my role, it is about $40k short).", "Oh, I understood the joke/meme reference, but I genuinely don't know if it's just memeing or being legit derogatory.\n\nLike, I don't like Katy Perry but damn* if that woman isn't sucessful.", "You'll get there DW.", "Is beckbombed the new rickroll?", "forsen1", "Thank you for saying this, my reaction was like everyone else at first. But after thinking about it this way and how much fun she had filming it and excitement. I like it and will sing it every Friday(except now my offdays are Thurs/Friday so it doesn't hit right)", "i have dislikes still enabled, not sure if it's because of a chrome extension I already have installed.", "There's no reason to be mad about it at all.", "The Friday remix is way more Donk than any hyper pop I’ve heard haha", "I uh... I guess I.. I mean... It's not bad and I kind of like it.", "Better then being someone who bullied a teenage girl from behind a computer screen.", "Just she", "When this song first came out, I legit tried to start a movement to try to get her Facebook fan page more likes than Nickleback’s Facebook fan page.\n\nI was unsuccessful.", "I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone from Lynyrd Skynyrd married their 13 year old cousin though...", "I was 31 or 32 when the original came out and I thought it was a fine song, not great but just a random pop tune. It was very difficult for me to understand what all the fuss was about.\n\nBut thanks for talking about being complicit. I sort of feel that way too a lot of times, which oftentimes drives me to defend underdogs. We need to check our status of culpability even more so than we need to point our fingers.", "i felt bad for her then but she's really turned it into a positive and has a big social career based off it. I wonder if she'd accept that trade in retrospect", "Probably generalized rage. \n\nMaybe like 'im going to come to your home town and hunt you down, you better fucking regret singing that.' or, 'i hooe someone rapes you and slices yur throat.'", "I fucking wish people watched my teenage blunder years. Then I'd actually have a chance of turning my embarrassment into something good. Now it's just sitting there on YouTube mocking me.", "I’m confused, why did she get picked up by her friends at the buss stop rather than her house?", "I just see a lot of parallels as an ex crunk core fan boy", "I just did. It's awful.", "Well tomorrow is a weekend for me so it works.", "Sounds like you made money from crypto, not YouTube then", "Welcome to reddit.", "Hyperpop is perfect when I want the house to myself", "I have known about this song and the drama surrounding it since it came out what, a decade ago? But I never heard it until now. Well, a minute of it anyway. I get it now.", "Just to be clear, you think that downvoting a post on the internet is bullying? If so, stop bullying me.", "It's Tuesday here. And there was a parody of this about Tuesdays instead a decade or so ago and it sounded just as good.", "Yes but... which seat can she take?", "Doesn't sound like a bad day on Reddit", "The song is fine IMO. And if it feels like a rickroll, that’s like saying it’s a great song, which I wouldn’t actually agree with.", "She has gone full Matrix Ada Nicodemou White Rabbit girl here.", "Yeah... Back when there was no covid..", "I clicked that link, I hear her say Ponyboy, and think to myself \"oh, she wrote a song about The Outsiders, that's interesting\"\n\nBut as you know, \"nothing golden ever stays\"\n\n\nExcept for literal gold... And honey... God I hated that book", "yeah and I like it", "Its an extension for browsers, so it doesn't matter what desktop OS", "Kill me", "Why did I watch that", "I feel really bad for women. Seems like so few can actually get famous based on merit. Rebecca Black grew some titties and showed them all over the internet, now she's famous. Sucks for women.", "Yep. Just ask Star Wars Kid.", "And?", "No, thats STOMP", "I hear that all female Ghostbusters teaser trailer is the most popular thing ever.", "Never understood the hate this kid got. I don’t see her as any less talented than the other half dozen or so who sound and look the exact same way.", "I and all my homies love Rebecca Black.", "I am laughing so hard I am crying. That poor baby panda.", "Don’t worry you got next bro.", "Dorian Electra is such a crazy artist. My old ass stumbled upon them by accident and have enjoyed a lot of their work.", "why is this not rated nsfw? there's talk of choosing seats and switching lanes multiple times in this obscene song", "I have a bad feeling about this", "you joke, but it is. it's actually really fucking good. yes, it's fun to laugh at. but also it slaps.", "Before COVID, she toured with one of my favorite bands, Man Man. She sang on two songs for their album they released last year. I've been putting off listening to her new music, but I should give it a try.", "So? That does not take away the fact that she can sing. I can take singing lessons until the cows come home and the cows voice will be better than mine.", "I think \"hate\" is overstating it. People made fun of them because it was a cringy rich teenager blunder laid bare for everyone to see. But they did take it in stride from the beginning, I vaguely remember an AMA by the blonde girl with the braces, where she makes fun of her own dance \"moves\".", "As a poor kid who went to school in the 70s and 80s, the seat I got was, \"Jump in the back of your buddies pick-up truck when he slows down turning the corner by your house.\"", "I read this in Mitch Hedbergs voice.", "It’s not for me but different is always good. That industrial sound always works better in the underground scene anyways", "H3H3 did a good take down series of the pedo that made this and other videos featuring underage girls.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/ArEugWw5IQ8", "TikTok in a nutshell. There'll be a lot of young adults in the next several years who'll say why the fuck did I post that on TikTok.", "It's also Judgment", "I mean I'm a millennial and most of the artists I liked growing up were gen x", "No wonder they're going extinct.", "I have empathy for real problems. Thinking the lyrics to Rebecca Black's Friday is a treatise about the difficulties of being an introvert is just a laughable concept dude", "The way the studio was set up, it wasn't a studio you went to so you could make a music video to make money with. It was a fun afternoon activity you paid for to have fun with it. The studio provided the music, lyrics, stage, props, etc. You paid money to go in and just have fun with it. Black didn't even ask them to put it on YouTube. It's just what they did. They cleared it with her, and she didn't say no, but was very whatever about it.\n\nPeople getting mad at her over the whole thing is like people getting mad at someone for going to an amusement park for the day and someone at the park filmed it and put it on YouTube. It's so dumb.", "who needs actual lyrics when your daddy has those megabucks", "https://youtu.be/CVvx-01DlSU", "Same haha. I love it. Check out dorian electra's edgelord which features rebecca. Iconic", "The ending makes it", "The song is unironically good now. Imo of course.", "I'm 35 and memorized the lyrics.", "I forgot how much I hate this song.", "A child the same age as Rebecca was then, would have been born in 2007. Imagine the world coming after someone born in 2007.", "Obviously production is essential, especially in pop. Her voice, like every pop artist's, is subtly pitch corrected, takes spliced and cleaned up etc. But it's not a fabricated performance, there's certainly enough real singing in there to see she's quite good. You can compare to live performances to confirm. I'm not trying to say she's a virtuoso, but that she's clearly put in the hours to become a genuinely good vocalist. \n\n It kind of blew my mind, as the first time I had thought about her since \"Friday\" I also found out she was successful, kind of awesome, and putting out music I actually like. Whether or not you love the music, it's amazing that she managed to turn a childhood full of unimaginable quantities of hate into fuel for a serious career in music.", "I feel like this is an opportunity for someone to create a browser extension that you can dislike videos and it shows the info if you have the browser extension.", "I don't listen to lyrics of every song and try to warp them to what i want them to mean. My analysis is strictly from the way Matt framed the song with his cover. If you didn't follow that link and listen to it, im sure it seemed ridiculous.", "Check our [Ram It Down](https://youtu.be/vxkhwJCoq84) while you're at it! It features [Lil Mariko](https://youtu.be/q-XH92Wie0U), who's one of my [favorites](https://youtu.be/4b8H33Wrx9g) right now. Lil Texas is also just fucken crazy stuff lmao.", "I have his verse memorized, not gonna lie…", "Both spellings are acceptable: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/judgment", "If i didn't make the video i wouldn't have made the money. \n\nI did get about 15 usd from AdSense for it though. Which is way more than ordinary for a video with that low of a viewcount. \n\nIt depends on the ads.", "The \"absolute majority\" are not \"highly edited\" lmao, especially not to the degree of the song I was replying to. \n\nIf your only exposure to modern music is what you hear in commercials or on the radio, sure, maybe, but the \"absolute majority\" you aren't going to hear otherwise", "I went deeper and checked what she's doing now, it's actually decent surprisingly.", "Ya what is up with that? I know far too little about cameras to guess", "Yeah, too bad it seems like she's in her early 20's blunderyears now. Wtf is that new video?", "The first 30 second or so could be something really good but it just keep going and doesn't vary much. It's a new sound and could be something with a lot if work", "Somehow this song is worse than I remember", "I love how people think having money means you can't be unhappy or struggle with mental health. She's in a good place now but if you think being 14 years old and having literally the entire world making fun of you shouldn't be hurtful because your parents happen to have money, you're out of your mind.", "This song is a banger fool.", "Make it a Pixar movie so mom is dummy thiccc", "thank you for sharing!", "It's the [Dark Hour](https://megamitensei.fandom.com/wiki/Dark_Hour).", "Yep, my immediate thought was, \"Oh, she's hit her Wrecking Ball phase.\" And hey, who am I to judge, more power to her.", "i think the implication is that shes sneaking around.\n\nshe gets to bus stop, her friends pick her up.", "They really should make it so that a dislike cancels out a like if they are going to do it this way.\n\nIf it gets to a negative, then the likes aren't visible at this point until it goes back positive.", "Better In My Memory is a banger and no one can tell me otherwise.", "Internet in general tbh.", "This song is only valid the day after Thursday", "She has an interesting story to tell. It sounds like it wasn’t easy being a normal teenager one minute and then having the entire planet ripping you to shreds for doing what you love the next. She’s done some good stuff since and has spoken out lots of times about her experience with cyber bullying etc. the cool kids unironically like her for her tenacity and unique story these days. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/DcO6q-vxrB8\n\nhttps://youtu.be/3TKt3IAwG0c", "Hating on autotune was already getting old like 15 years ago, when people hated on t-pain, akon, etc. for using it. And even back then it was mostly used to add something different, not to correct someones pitch or whatever. With the crazy shit \"kids\" (they're probably like 30 years old) are doing these days, there's really no point in singling out autotune and hating on it. They're obviously distorting stuff on purpose to make it interesting and different.", "Damn. You can tell this is targeted to Zoomers. Pretty sure I caught epilepsy from this video.", "I watched an interview with her about this and she was saying her dad had a lot of influence with her career. I wonder how he took the threats. Probably not as hard and he was the one behind the decisions, not the child. What’s a shame she had to endure that.", "I happened to like the song", "I don't think anybody's butthurt but you. most of the comments here are talkin about how she's actually become a pretty decent musician and all of the abuse that she suffered because of that video.\n\nIf you need to have the point of this post out for you, it's that it's mocking the removal of the YouTube dislike button.\n\nBut nah, you just keep slaying", "It's Tuesday? Lunchtime too.", "Do you not know that you can leave comments on YouTube videos? Cause you’d be surprised how fucked up some of the comments on the video are\n\nIt’s the best example for removing dislikes because of how blatantly people were putting effort into getting it as many dislikes on it as possible and not because it got them organically. \n\nIt’s no different then people review bombing a video game on steam because of something trivial.\n\nWhat part are you having such difficulty understanding…", ">\"Edgelord\"\n\nWhat the flying fuck? You mean the cheap throw away melodies that play in my head, and the songs where i make up shitty lyrics on the fly can make me money? ....", "It certainly wasn't intended to be that by its writer, but I thought OPs interpretation was really interesting. \n\nOnce you put artwork out into the world, people get to make their own meaning from it.", "For anyone who hates the removal of dislikes (so literally every human being on reddit) there's a Chrome extension that reinstates them. just look it up on google and you're set", "Songoodiser is even better", "who woulda thunk...", "Hi yes I worked at target too", "It is fine to like hyper pop.", "Is Rebecca black the girl from Breaking Bad?", "Please explain the lesbian part", "That song by Dorian Electra might actually be the worst song I have ever listened to.", "Did charli really innovate it? I thought 100 gecs did", "I forgot he was in it… but yeah exactly", "Digital pitch correction is the future old man", "No dirtiness! Im almost 30 too! Sophie and Arca are the truth!", "It sure is. There have been many Fridays since 2011 that I have jammed to this song in my head when the end of the week rolled around.", "The comments make up for it 😂", "That was wild shit in the 90s but people actually like Aphex Twin today. \n\nOr maybe I'm just out of touch.", "Didint she kill the whole Autotune industry?", "This is the only dub you need of that song.\n\nhttps://youtu.be/zzfQwXEqYaI\n\nYou can thank me later.", "I read that as public shooting.", "Death threats on the internet are a dime a dozen. Usually they're from children just finding out how much freedom they have on the internet.\n\nThat or dorkass incels, both equally have the same amount of power.\n\nDefinitely should be taken seriously when personal, but if it's an internet hate-bandwagon, death threats are pretty much just violent sounding angry letters that have as much impact as a regular sounding angry letters.\n\nEdit: Ya'll disagree for reasons I didn't give. Explain to me why I should take threats from toddlers seriously when it's everyday they do it? The action is indeed shitty, not one soul disagrees, but the actual \"power\" behind it is fabricated out of a \"moral do good\" reason, and not logically looking at a 4yo with a water gun, not as if he was the entire United States Military.", "Totally into Noodlewasher and brickfork these days. Certainly expands on the Xcore treecouch style from a few years back", "Rich kids end up doing well?!? Well colour me shocked!!!!", "Boy am I glad that I didn't have any camera pointing at me when I was a teenager.", "This record is dope.", "But, in reality, it was because of how she pronounced [driving](https://youtu.be/kfVsfOSbJY0?t=70).", "It’s Tuesday for me here and for some reason a song about that would be more depressing than Monday. \n\nMonday maybe you could be optimistic. New week. \n\nTuesday would be like ‘nah I fucked up, really want to pretend this week hasn’t happened’", "OP is about to get a RKO", "Paying 4k to realize your teenage daughter's dreams should not be akin to selling her down the river.\n\nMy point is, we are in no position to judge. I can think of at least three cringe moments today which best be not public. I am not sure if this comment is number four.\n\nAnyway, I am back to singing to my mostest favouritest song with inadequate sound insulation.\n\nEdit: Uriah Heep - Salisbury\n\nI know no shame.", "Don't skip leg day bro", "Omg it sounds so much worse now.", "Can confirm.\n\nI spent my 20s drunk, depressed, in debt, alone, and making near poverty wages. Now I'm out of debt, sober, and am in the 98th percentile of individual earners.\n\nYet am still depressed and alone. None of any of my stupid little shit matters, and having to be alive every day is so tiring. I have every physical comfort, every treatment option, every everything that I want or need, except any legitimate interest in being alive. And that just makes me feel guilty.", "Don't need to be dug up when she standing on the top of a mountain.", "I listened to a couple of their songs. Not for me but if I was 20 years younger, I’d probably enjoy it. Music is pretty good at putting out stuff that appeals to people coming to age.", "The thing is music is subjective. The song has 1.3M likes so obviously there are people who like it. \n\nIts ok to not like a song. It's not ok to send death threats and harass the singer over it, I hope we can agree on that. \n\nAnd I'm sorry to hear about your bullying, but everyone processes it differently. Having the whole world make fun of a song you made as 13 yo would be pretty rough, and maybe following up with another one is her way of \"owning\" it.", "[Me too!](https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y)", "Me and my husband don't have kids but he makes around 90k ish - right in the middle of middle class. If we had one kid, 4k for a music video would be pretty easy to do for a once in a lifetime thing. Two kids would be pushing it. Three would be impossible.", "No, your point was not about the general rising quality of basic presets in audio software. You stated:\n\n>nah only bangs because it's nostalgic for you\n\nAnd\n\n>but i doubt 10 years down the road you'll listen to that crappy recording from a handheld tape and think that it sounded like quality stuff back then.\n\nYour point was that Sandstorm isn't a banger anymore and doesn't sound like a quality mix due to the past 20 years of music software advances, and that people who think it still is only think that because nostalgia prevents them from perceiving correctly. That's a perfectly fine belief to have, but at least own it.\n\nI'm saying I'm listening to the exact same mp3 file I've had since like 2005 and, as I said, if it came out today I'd be like damn this is a good song but they could have used a more full kick instead of that hardstyle sounding shit. This is not making your point for you.", "I wish it was Sunday. Because that's my fun day.", "I watched it through wondering why there would be a panda...then I got to the end and remember what show this was.\n\n^(Then I hit rewind to watch that little sucker pop out again. I'm weird.)", "Lol no.. dude what? \n\nWhat it's spent on is the whole point, one is a medical procedure to fix one's teeth and the other is frivolous. How are you really comparing this? It's about having 4 grand to just throw at your child to make a music video lol acting like the two are comparable.", "That's not how average works, but sure", "Do you have any examples of videos you think are dislike botted?", "It's so much more cringeworthy than the original.", "I thought it was Friday", "I remember when Cardi B made her debut and I heard \"Bodak Yellow\" (I think that's what it's called) for the first time, I genuinely thought Cardi would be the Rebecca Black where people listen to her music because it's entertainingly bad for a few months before she fades into obscurity. Now, years later after hearing this song again, I don't understand why one is famous and the other is all but forgotten. The quality of their music is identical.", "That's too bad.", "By that logic, the dislike button is useless as well.", "Never before have I watched this song from start to finish. Today, I finally watched the entire thing.\n\nThis was the longest 3:47 seconds of my life. \n\nThe key to immortality is to listen to this song, while watching the video, on repeat forever. A man give live a thousands lives in that time.", "Wow I had to turn that dog shit off after 10 seconds.", "It was exceptional in its badness.", "yep. total smoke show.", "Rebecca your music sucks! Now get outta here cause I'm gonna fuck your mother.", "Even indie music now days is edited. Pitch correction software is very accessible.", "Song is a banger. Every teacher decided it’s the official song of Friday.", "Your Monday is my Friday.", "> I love how people think having money means you can't be unhappy or struggle with mental health.\n\nJust looking at how many successful people end their own life should be enough indication that indeed money doesn't buy happiness. Having no money sure makes your life miserable though.", "The mindless internet hate wagon where people seem to see red, devoid of any compassion towards fellow human beings, and make consequence-free death threats, should be labeled properly and studied as it's a huge societal problem imo. Zoey Quinn, Justin Bieber, Diablo Immortal, Ellen Pao comes to mind. There was even one celebrity in Korea that committed suicide because of these. There's also the Tablo incident.", "Do multiple views by the same user count multiple times? If so, can creators watch their own content multiple times to generate views?", "Dammmn, I heard this a few a months ago but didn't catch the title or artist and really enjoyed it. Crazy to think I'd find out it's Rebecca Black.", "I am probably the easiest to please music listener ever I like just about any music (there's kid's bop stuff I enjoy, classical music, rap, metal, nearly everything). That song is still completely intolerable to me.", "huh?", "> bully\n\nOkay.", "Jeff Bezos seems to be getting along just fine, after all.", "Someone please just tell me which seat is optimal before I rip the steering wheel into oncoming traffic.", "If most users neither like or dislike, then both buttons seem equally useless.", "This is what propaganda does lol. She is of sound mind, her father was an abuser forcing her to lead shows under his conservatorship because she's somehow unfit for her finances and to be able to have a baby, but she can lead multi million dollar shows no problem!\n\nHer dad's a POS, leave Brittney alone lmfao\n\nConservatorship is over, she's doing much better these days.", "There was so much shitty music in the 90s (and 2000s). I much prefer the crazy shit some of these \"kids\" are trying out these days. So much interesting stuff that's completely different. Looks and sounds really weird at first, but some of that stuff is really fucking catchy for some reason. After all the shitty and lazy mumble rapping, that shit makes me optimistic again about the younger generation. A lot of creativity.", "Oh hey, I wonder what happened to...DAMN.", "Ima have my lawyers contact you, this shit gave me cancer.", "Censorship lite", "I feel bad for her but in some ways I dont. I mean she was just a kid so she couldnt really understand why people would cringe at a forced music video, yet at the same time it shows a degree of hubris at her age where she thought she was up there with Christina Aguilera. The lack of self-awareness isnt totally excusable since obviously her peers at that age were fully aware of what was going on. If anything her parents should have done a better job not coddling her and doing whatever princess wants such as hiring a song writer just to get her clout.", "Do multiple views by the same user count multiple times? If so, can creators watch their own content multiple times to generate views?", "One day this is going to be her \"Let's Go To the Mall\" and I hope she finds her Ted Mosby", "/s?", "The gold record in the passenger seat sells that attitude", "It really is tho", "Cringey ADHD zoomer shit", "I feel so bad for her, she was 13 and won a competition to be in an amateur music video, it was never meant to be this big, serious thing", "Good electronic music is still good electronic music. The album Discovery from Daft Punk came out 20 years ago and it's still a huge banger.", "That's not proof? Okay he doesn't like YouTube. I hate YouTube as well. How do you know that fauci and the government are silently forcing YouTube to change the thumbs down?\n\nOh? You can't? You just believe it? Gotcha", "The real crime here is that she gets to sleep until 7:00 am. If I did that, my pay check is getting docked.", "I play this song every Friday to wake my kids and it helps put them in a great mood while they get ready for school. My husband laughed at me at first but then realized, “huh…it really works!” \n\nI get a small sense of satisfaction hoping that she gets royalties from our family 52 times a year (now ten years later) whenever I say “Alexa…play it’s Friday by Rebecca Black.” \n\nIt’s absolutely the best worst song ever and screw the cyber bully haters bc it’s so bad, it’s good. Of course it’s terrible teenage pop, she was 14! That’s all it was ever meant to be! My kids get a kick out of it, so that’s good enough for me.", "Isn't that what people who want a career in singing are supposed to do? Not sure what you're getting at.", "It always was 😎", "I watch things on YouTube all the time and I’ve never liked a single video.", "I wasn't expecting her to be a dominatrix now.", "I thought her rich dad paid for it", "Not that it diminishes her achievements, but it's probably a lot easier to turn infamy into a career than to start from 0.", "I didn't even play it i knew straight away, but checked the comments for the word 'friday' and had my fears confirmed.", "This entire post is about removing the downvote button. At no point were comment sections of YouTube discussed. The joke was not about bullying a teenager. The joke was that a hilariously terrible song/music video got a lot of downvotes. Stop being a gatekeeper. Most jokes are offensive in some manner. That's just the way life works.", ">imo gen-z's best export\n\nBesides the memes", "Throw some silverware into a metal trashcan, put the lid on, and shake it around.\n\nThat's basically hyperpop.", "Maybe I'm old and out of touch. Even when I was a kid, I can't imagine me or my friends tracking down some kid's phone number so we could threaten to kill them.\n\nSocial media is a fucking cancer.", "I hate brokencyde as much as the next pearl jam enthusiast (they're from my hometown 🤦‍♂️) but they laid out the groundwork for electronic/experi/emo fusion, in a janky-perhaps-accidental way", "She went from private school to public school because of the bullying.\n\nShe went from public schooling to homeschooling because of her bad grades.", "I always liked the [Rebecca Black Friday Cough Syrup Remix by DJ Super Sparkle](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DWDln0jlMU)", "She was also bullied by the whole world badly enough to do home schooling", "Have you seen her Instagram reel lately? She may not be as sound as everyone hopes.", "Kids are awful.", "Yep!", "To be fair, it is.", "I believe the writer royalties for this song were on sale for about $50k a month or so ago. I mean, the song has proven it has staying power!", "Maybe so. There's plenty of bad information on the internet, and many websites offer no metrics on popularity.\n\nEDIT: Also, popular ideas are not necessarily correct.", "Def not for everyone!! Very abrasive tune", "Depends [who’s singing it](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhxqq5).", "Have you ever disliked any videos?", "[here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEy5x-vTH4g)", "Guess you didn't know that youtube has comments people can write for each video.", "A Disney trip costs around 7k for a family of 3. Disney is THE middle class thing to do. Instead of going to Disney World she could have just wanted to make a music video.", "See, I hadn't ever noticed that. That sort of changes things.", "1.3 mil likes and 4 mil dislikes :) (Return youtube dislike extension)", "Starting life with immediate brain damage does explain a lot of panda behavior.", "There were a million remakes but my favorite was a metallic crunchy one by, I think, Corrosion of Conformity. \n\nIf anyone can find it, worth a listen...", "lucky for everyone on Reddit", "I dont think removing the dislike button will suddenly cure psychotic people of psychosis. Guarantee youtubers will still get threats regardless of the dislike button's existence.", "it having so many dislikes because of intentional manipulation is part of why dislikes were removed. the joke trying to made doesn't work because it's an example that shows Youtube made the correct decision to remove dislikes\n\nWhat about this \"joke\" is the offensive part?", "As someone who wrote lyrics in their teens, there really are no words for how bad and boring the lyrics are for \"Friday\". Even if they were written by someone around the same age as Rebecca when she recorded the song, or didn't take more than 20 minutes to write... just wooooooow.", "Haha i feel you! But well, coincidentally, I am a metal drummer, and all I have to say in response is that ain't anything new bro! I can't remember exactly which mainstream band but I want to say Black Dahlia. Not positive, but, circa 2008, they were producing records with programmed drums because they couldn't find anyone to play what they'd written.\n\nThere was also a local band near me Honour Crest that was amazing apart from the fact they could never find a drummer to keep up with them. Hell, my old high school band used programmed drums because we had no way of cheaply (aka at no cost) recording drums or vocals like we did with guitars. For example, I wrote [this song](https://youtu.be/indTwSdmg1c) in 2008.\n\nThe only thing that really gives the drums away as being fake imo is the lack of human error/timing inconsistency. As an aside, I thought Applaud the Impaler used fake drums until I saw them live. Dude is a little addied out maniac.", "Writing a comment a youtube video, even if mean, isn't bullying lol. The person can also just not upload the video, disable comments, or turn the computer off.", "She also helped produce one of Vince Staple’s Albums, Big Fish.", "Repost", "Us, too, for a year or so. It’s nice to put the kids in a Good Friday mood while getting ready for school.", "I never said it was a good joke. I didn't think it was funny either. I also didn't pretend that the joke just didn't exist for some strange reason.", "[Well a decade ago Monday wasn't just a Monday...it was Funday Monday!!!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU_ADVeuNkY&list=PL6D20870C373B6F96)", "Are you all being creepy I'm not sure what message you're all trying to get across but that's all I'm picking up.", "Believe it or not as far as contemporary electronic music goes its quite the forward-thinking tune", "No thats the day where i get down", "I wish it also works with Never gonna give you up so I can Rickroll my friends every week even in my grave.", "So I just checked them out, cuz I have no idea what the fuck hyperpop is. And that was enjoyable. They give off a Blink 182 vibe to me. Not that the music sounds the same, just something about it...", "Naturally", "They took the Dislike button/count away lol", "I find it very interesting. Maybe not that one specific song, but a lot of these people are doing an insane amount of really different and interesting stuff. I'm sure if you looked up other song that artist did, they're very different. Probably weird and maybe very hit-and-miss, but almost certainly insanely creative and experimental. Definitely not lazy.", "Honestly though, these bands remind me of a lot of what was considered \"too weird\" for the\"popular crowd\" back when I was in high school. My brother and I were recently discussing that probably twenty bands we knew from the early 2000s missed their window of fame by a couple of decades.", "https://youtu.be/3TKt3IAwG0c", "Not a secret for me", "So many op Blacked out", "what happened to music? \n\n[this is music by people with real talent](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdd5pn1xs7M)", "The song’s got over 4 million dislikes, in case you need a reminder.", "Lesbian hyperpop? I'll have to look this up", "No, I just watch things.", "Boo", "I went and saw her open for Man Man, who is honestly a bit goofy, but puts on a good show. The show was in a college town ON A FRIDAY and she only sings some BS Ariana wanna be love song shit. I’m still mad at this bitch. Lean into what literally made your career. It would have been a great closer.", "[Friday, Friday...](https://i.imgur.com/8PfO1GQ.gif)", "Her song [Sweetheart](https://youtu.be/LyFiWkmkexI) IS a straight banger", "Me when I first listened to hyperpop\n\n\"Ugh this sounds like shit... this sounds like shit... why does it sound good..\"", "Less than half their current age", "This sounds like a 100 gecs song.", "dont be too creative or experimental though, because then youre making garbage\n\nsource: produced a bit in some hyperpop groups", "Rude. Never Gonna Give You Up is a banger and shouldn't be compared to this abomination of a song.", "The internet was different back then. Everyone was making fun of this child. It's really sad", "This video is a great example of how shitty places like Reddit really are. Redditors pretend to be against bullying and attacking a teenager that is vulnerable but will immediately go all in on an innocent video made by a teenager. And no, it's not different people doing both. The upvotes comments and posts were proof of that. If it were different people, the bullying comments wouldn't make it to the top. (I'm not talking about this post, I'm talking the original when it first came out).", "Crikey", "I wish there was some way to hammer into the heads of the YouTube people how bad an idea this was. \n\nBut of course they were probably given a massive amount of money from people to do this.", "Her extremely wealthy father paid for his little princess to have a music video.", "We all know it by heart… that has to count for something.", "Wait wait wait. He’s still making the show?", "She opened for someone I saw a couple years ago and actually wasn't bad at all.", "shit, I thought it was Thursday", "I’m 54 and I was just saying to myself “Damn, I can remember when all I had to worry about was which seat to take.”", "> This is what propaganda does lol.\n\nThat's an exaggeration, I looked her up at recent as 2019, including her own social media posts swearing she's making a comeback. If her Conservatorship is over, cool. But somehow I don't think that everything's hunky dory as a result.\n\nEven then, it's not a happy story to read through if you last remember her as Hollywood's punching back in the mid-late '00's/", "this is unironically worse than the original. tries too hard", "The way the video is structured she seems to lean into past trauma.\n\nI am not sure if that is healthy.\n\nAgain, not judging.", "Did you even listen to the song?", "That was slick in a “I feel like I might have a primal seizure” way", "This is some Weird Al level shit.", "Feels like a primal seizure omfg my eyes and brain", "No matter how successful she gets that’s gonna be trust issues for LIFE.", "In the words of The Great Sage (AKA my godmother):\n\n> It's not tomorrow yet.\n\nDo not meditate on this while doing any serious hallucinogenics.", "What you need is some kind of bot that can do it and has some kind of dead man activation, like it sends an email or something and you have a couple weeks fo respond or it starts the spam.", "I low key love this song. It’s not great but I like it", "Hahaha", "Exactly. I get the middle class ain’t what it was, but Reddit will make you think America is a thirdly world country. Lol", "I personally love Matt Mulholland's cover on getting down(depressed/drunk) on friday. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxleH60hDJY", "She was literally 14, she doesn't share an ounce of blame for this.", "Dude, if you're really villainizing someone who was a 14 year old child you need a life", "So anyway about your bangs, you okay girl?\n\nThis made me laugh out loud.", "https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/install", "Video came out originally in March 2011, I remember because it came out the day of my High School Senior Trip to Disney World and it was a total banger.", "I saw her a few years ago opening up for Man Man. \nTotally random and she killed it.\n\nIt was a Friday night and she sang this song but it was slowed down and gloomy. \n\nI loved it!", "I tried so hard to make this the new Rick Roll once and it never caught on.", "I really resonate with this statement, I remember it being bad but bit not That bad. It really is worse, like insanely worse.", "Even in her own music video, she gets the bitch seat 😂", "I think if you take a good look at how's she developed, you'll understand what's going on.", "I don't think Fauci himself have anything to do with it... Just that it looked bad on the agenda.", "Maybe it'll help us all become more compassionate.", "Her parents were veterinarians. We can't know how much they made but likely at the highest end of middle class or low end of upper class as a household. The video cost them $4000. Plenty of middle class people spend ballpark that amount on a nice vacation. \n\nIt's a bizarre characterization to describe this of all things as some rich people burning money on extravagant stuff. And even then, the excessive bullying isn't at all justified.", "This is like 100 gecs mixed with Bladee / Ecco2k / Drain Gang in general. \n\nI like it.", "I do wish more songs narrated events so explicitly. I really got to know exactly what was going on.", "Youtube has officially jumped the shark with this move. Nonstop annoying ads and now we can't quickly tell if we're about to watch garbage. I'm out as far as it being a first choice from now on. If it wasn't for Vanced I wouldn't be able to use it at all.", "I still see dislikes on YouTube iPhone app.\n\nDoes that mean I should never update? Maybe sell this now valuable information?", "Dr. cringe, everyone", "That just makes you look like an idiot for going out of your way to so heavily defend a joke you agree is a bad joke and you don’t find funny. \n\nCongrats", "Getting bullied into oblivion will do that to you.", "Teenagers being awful people is nothing new, and even online predates \"social media\" by decades. Death threats, harassment, stalking, attempting to drive people to the brink of madness, has all been \"Business as Usual\" for at least forty years. You might not have thought of doing it, and good, maybe you're halfway to being a decent person. But I remember when hackers killed a few people by hacking epilepsy awareness websites and making them flash rapidly, then bragging about it online, in the early 00s. I remember kids from my high school getting hold of my phone number, kids who very much were not the death-threats-online nerds, and calling it spewing the most foul, hateful shit imaginable.\n\nI mean... did you ever try to play Unreal Tournament back in the day? Check out Xbox Live in its infancy?\n\nIn middle school, the kids who sat in the back of the class told me to \"do [them] all a favor and kill [myself] already,\" routinely, teacher right there, and nothing was ever done about it.\n\nTeenagers are animals. The only thing I'm not sure about is if they ever grow out of it. I think that maybe they used to, but if you want to blame social media for any particular thing, I think it might just be maintaining fifth grade savagery well into adulthood and popularizing it among the already-adult generations.", "Don't know that he gets a ton of violent hate/harassment or anything but Tom Felton (Draco Malfoy) did such a good job playing an absolute prick, but he's actually a super sweet person, and seeing videos of him as a person is so fucking jarring to me... Especially videos of him around children etc... It's so bizarre", "Pretty sure Darude at that time was using a lot of outboard gear which depending on the synth either had less aliasing happening in the signal or none at all, soft synths have only started to approach the quality of outboard gear in the last decade or so, with Xfer Serum really pushing everything forward. [Here](https://youtu.be/gAcCgOTXXCY) is a comparison between Serum and Native Instruments’ Massive plugin, which was many producer’s go-to soft synth until Serum came along. Even then, an analog synth should have the cleanest waveforms of all.", "Actually braces aren’t a necessity, it’s a luxury. \n\nLuxuries exist for the middle class. $4k to spend doesnt make you rich no matter how you try and spin it.", "auto tune nasal whiny voice.", "Jeez, that's actually pretty sad.", "I usually listen to alt rock, prog rock and industrial metal. Dorian Electra was my top played Spotify artist for 2021. \n\nSome of my favorites:\nCareer Boy\nBarbie Boy\nDaddy Like\nAdam and Steve", "ICYMI Just a word from one of my heroes Charlie Brooker (creator of Black Mirror) on the bullying of Rebecca Black. Enjoy ☺️ [https://youtu.be/YZwPj3fWR9k](https://youtu.be/YZwPj3fWR9k)", "It’s Monday. Come back later this week please. I’m not ready to deal with this.", "This is actually become a banger. Like I get it. We're all looking forward to Friday and then the weekend. It's relatable.", "I found it important for hw help and other tutorial type videos, usually those dislikes are accurate and I don’t want to waste time watching a bad help video", "What does that mean, \"slaps\"? I suddenly see it all the time", "It is a banger. I see no issue.", "Return YouTube Dislikes is a free chrome extension that lets you see dislikes again", "The backend just hasn't stopped sending this data yet, they're changing it soon.", "My hand is a dolphin!", "That's another human your talking about like a sex object you realise?", "How many dislikes did it have ?", "Are people really upset because they can't collectively shame someone online?", "She has on her own channel\nhttps://youtu.be/sG5p3suUOtQ", "[We have the tools! We have the talent!](https://youtu.be/ovjEN6ER9PY?t=200)", "It’s so much worse than I remember. Dear lord", "So I'm ngl some of her songs were catchy. I'm someone who can appreciate every genre for what it is. But I accidently came across her furry infested TikTok and holy crap I've never cringed so hard.", "Not that I disagree with your point about the grades being correlated (at the very least) with bullying, but are you saying that about his personality because he posts on the Porsche sub?", "Imagine how much interesting music was lost because of how many artists were bullied/ashamed/embarrassed/dissuaded from creating!", "Yes. Reddit stays thirsty. I suggest you all join r/hydrohomies and find the lord.", "Look up SOPHIE (rip) and the PC music collective. Basically innovated the 'Bubblegum Bass'/Hyperpop sound that 100 gecs does. \n\n\nShe's made songs like [Lemonade](https://youtu.be/LdLvp630plc) in like 2014 but it was \n[Vroom Vroom](https://youtu.be/qfAqtFuGjWM) that came out around 2016 that set in motion the trajectory this sound would have into the mainstream.", "I mean, this entire convo started because of your apparent confusion as to the joke surrounding this post. If you had just been honest instead of acting obtuse for internet points, we would have been finished this interaction long ago.", "I was trying to help you understand what's going in this thread, but it's pretty clear I got baited soooo I don't even know why I bothered to reply.", "Lol what the fuck is that", "Just realized I have never heard this song before. I lost the game.", "let's give Youtube a 1 star review on the app store till they bring back the dislike button.", "What? You creeped my history and because I have a car and an opinion on cars, that is my personality?\n\nYou literally have a car brand in your username.\n\n\nBut to your first point, it's still very limiting to believe that this must have caused her bad grades. I didn't say what caused her bad grades. I just said what happened. It's be a sociological dissection to analyze her road/upbringing. You'd have to factor in the rich background, a somewhat privileged and sheltered life, then factor in the bullying into everything.\n\nSo you made bad assumptions on both what I said and who I am. Congrats.", "Jesus I cant believe its been TEN years since this came out. Thats a third of my life wtf.", "It’s already Friday where I am", "Robin Sparkles little sis.", "Not living paycheck to paycheck is considered the same as being rich apparently.\n\n4000$ can seem like a very good deal too, if your kid makes a career out of it, which she did judging by her latest uploads on her channel.", "So now it’s all about the like/view ratio? 1.3m likes to 157m views not looking so great Becky", "I dunno about you guys, but I always check the like to dislike ratio before deciding if I like content on YouTube", "Not since last Friday", "I was about to type the same thing.", "That was the first song I bought on iTunes. \n\nI think I was 33 at the time.", "Wait, is this the original version? I didn't remember it being so badly auto-tuned...", "Veterinarians earn on average ~$100k, with two that puts them well into upper middle class, or what most would say is 'rich'. However, it doesn't matter what they really were, just how people saw them. \n\nIt gained so much hate because everyone viewed it as extravagance while others were worried about their own positions. This was during the time when 'check your privilege' was just coming to the mainstream and people were looking to pounce on anything to get their frustrations out.", "And just before the internet became easy to use and decently well archived! A tragedy really.", "There's treating someone like a sex object and then there's commenting on the fact that they are attractive. The two aren't the same thing nor are they mutually exclusive.", "Great song to kickoff a Friday", "Not that I support bullying, but, the fact that everyone is forced to tell everyone that they are amazing no matter what they do, we sure are seeing an influx of absolute garbage in the arts and now if you simply don't like something and criticize it you're accused of being a bully.", "Always has been...", "I just want you all to know that my new MacBook Pro just arrived, and naturally I immediately went to Reddit to resume mindless scrolling. \n\nI chanced upon this thread pretty quickly. In other words, before I realized it, this was the song that christened my new laptop (and it’s reportedly great speakers). \n\nYou win this round.", "Real talk, those people scare me. They’re the fucks who shoot schools so they can get a platform.", "We need an AMA for those kids in the car.", "While I tend to roll my eyes at rich people, I'd be lying if I said that I wouldn't want to do absolutely rad things for my future kids if I had a lot of money", "Chances are the ones issuing said threats were also children. There’s a whole lot of maladjusted youth out there fantasizing about atrocities.", "Is this supposed to be serious? There’s no way she listened to this afterwards and was like “yeah we have a hit”", "Can you imagine making this song at that age and having it become the equivalent of an international incident lol? This harmless project shook this person's life up, looking at it today it just feels so weird to know that happened because of this.", "I loved the song then and I still love the song. It falls into the so bad it's good territory, and that's not a bad thing. The songs catchy. \n\nA video/song like this even being funded is baffling and it became successful for all the wrong (right?) reasons. Even if you hate the song the amount of parody videos that came out after it makes it iconic. At least that's entertaining. \n\nThis is what happens when rich people try to buy their kids talent and it's hilarious.", "I made it to the car and had to stop this is a first listen wtf lol", "Just what it needed, RGB and memes that were relevant when the song first came out.", "Didn’t she do a video with Katy perry or some shit?", "> It's not ok to send death threats and harass the singer over it,\n\nOf course. No rational person would disagree with that.\n\n>The thing is music is subjective. The song has 1.3M likes so obviously there are people who like it.\n\nNope. Music has rules and standards. Just becaue you can find one weirdo who likes to eat dog shit, doesn't mean dog shit should be considered \"food\". \"But taste is sUbjEcTiVe, right?\" /s\n\nAnd I love how you point out exactly what this post is about, ironically. A million upvotes means it's good! No. Not considering it has over 4 million dislikes.", "I legit remember for a while every single Friday you'd hear this blasting from every car/truck with a badass system, sometimes 2 at one light. Fucking hilarious. It's such a bad, bad song and it makes it so, so good, lol. Hope she got paid from doing this... and no way she doesn't have a sense of humor about it.", "No one wearing seatbelts lol", "when I was 14 i knew I wanst fucking eminem, k? I had enough self-awareness not to try and make myself famous.", "I'm not necessarally saying the parents did something terrible... But she got what she paid for... her chance to show her work to millions of people... and well the cost of showing to millions of people is the chance they don't like it. It's what she asked for, her origional work was cringe, but she did get fame, she met many major singers, and she was able to make fun of herself.", "> semi-successful pop song\n\nIt wasn't ever even close to that. It was only ever \"popular\" because it was cringe. \n\nApparently some losers sent her death threats and those people totally suck.", "Yes, but you're also supposed to like it.", "sure she does. Her parents didnt make her do this. She asked. She wanted to be famous and tried to shortcut it rather than work for it.", "oh gawd Mondays!", "I've never heard of this song, but I give more credit to a teenager making this than I do an adult making WAP and that trash got song of the year", "Just for the sake of the argument, I think it's reasonable to consider that intelligence should be distributed on a normal scale. Then the average and the median values are by definition equal.", "yeah but she doesnt have a decent career", "stupid youtube", "Well, I just learned about her and now I'm subscribed to her YouTube. She's great.", "stupid youtube", "They shouldn’t have to\n\nPeople shouldn’t be writing comments telling teenage girls to commit suicide over a dumb song", "stupid youtube", "No you're right.. getting braces and paying production companies to make music videos for your kids are one and the same", "Yeah she never asked for all that attention, feel bad for her", "I liked the doomsday version", "The problem is not that social media makes people terrible, it's just a technological innovation that amplifies everybody's ability to be motherfuckers.", "Fuck you, this song slaps.", "I played this song, in the office, every Friday for about a year. ..\n\n\nI've Pavloved myself, and now I get positive feelings whenever I hear it.", "But for me, it is Tuesday", "I was an adult when that song came out but it was pretty catchy and she handled going viral with grace. It also landed her a spot in Katy Perry’s music video for Last Friday Night\n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/KlyXNRrsk4A", "Dude have you seen this brocks dub? It gets me every time haha https://youtu.be/UFIa9lTrJng", "Or they can see cubes and we only see squares. Same way we can't see the swirls in cinnamix", "When Friday does come listen to [this version](https://youtu.be/xjpn5x8oDGc) instead. Richard Cheese really classes it up.", "Good point.\n\nThey should have bullied the ARK media company who wrote the song and made the video. Rebecca just sang the thing they stuck in front of her.", "> In the beginning it can sound super harsh, but once you get used to it can seriously slap.\n\nMy line every time I pitch a new kink to my gf. 5% success rate.", "Thanks for bringing this to my attention.", "Impressive... 4 million dislikes", "Doubt she has the strength. Sh is doing the same as she did back then.\n\nOTHO, \"the I am now a Woman, lol\" phase of Miley(or Britney or whoever had the misfortune of living their teenage year under a microscope) was strong enough to be still awesome eonough when [doing this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UhxQHvGb4M).", "Oh man that was good. I've only built a handful of computers, but shewwwweeeeee that was hilarious.", "I can agree with that.\n\nBut if the root problem is everybody's ability to be motherfuckers, how can it be meaningfully addressed? I don't really see any non-tyrannical methods. You could outlaw social media, but people will build new platforms without consent, just as they do now to facilitate piracy.", "If you're a kid who grew up in the iCarly-Victorious generation, loved singing, and your parents surprised you with a song recording gift, you'd probably be dazzled and not question it.\n\n\nYou're villainizing someone who was a child and creating this spiteful false portrait of her pulling a Veruca Salt and demanding this from her parents.", "A fingerblast McGillicutty with an around the back Porkside Ball Gag.", "This is bullying for karma...nothing less", "From not Eminem to bashing a teenager on the internet. Wow you’ve managed to regress well done", "Listen to [this version](https://youtu.be/xjpn5x8oDGc) instead. Richard Cheese really classes it up.", "People taking shit about her … fact is she’s more famous than 99.9% of people posting that shit.", "Jesus fuck I think the song has gotten worse. Did she always sound like that? Holy hell", "Lol, mine too. And dominated my top tracks. Kind of ruined my Spotify wrapped, but totally made my year so much better", "Somebody got triggered", "Front seat or back seat??!!??", "Same", "Black Friday was last week", "Gen X reporting in. Can confirm, 100 gecs do indeed slap.", "Same thing happened to Jerma after the infamous JermaCraft", "Certified Banger", "Why does she need to get to the bus stop if her friends are picking her up?", "This reminds that i haven't dislike the video yet!", "Just because you didn't think you were great at 14 doesn't mean it's a crime for others to think they are.", "Justin Bieber had the same added with crazy fans that would cut themselves when he did something \"wrong\" according to them", "So report them and move on. Also, I am failing to see how a dislike is anywhere near someone writing a comment like that. Which is the overall theme of this thread. You completely changed the subject from dislikes on a video being bullying to now speaking about hateful comments.", "I actually like the song 😂", "Am I the only one that doesn't need to see dislikes to feel vindicated in disliking something? Lol. Having likes or dislikes has zero bearing on my opinion of this song or any other video... Idk, i truly just do not get 'caring' if that number is there or not.", "Yeah, maybe.\n\nAt that age I would probably have been something that wriggled into the sunlight at the bottom of an overturned stone. Feeling great in the sunlight until th enature of the attention caught up with me.\n\nAt her age I thaught Grafield were cool. And I had just bought a godawful Stock-Aitken-Waterman produced album by a certain Mr Astley. Vindicated as I am now in one aspect, my entire Wikipedia page should not have been left up to me at that age.\n\nHer parents bought her a goddamn monkey's paw.\n\n\nEdit: \n\nIn my defense I was really, really confused about the racist debate about Rick Astley's voice and it took me decades to understand what was gong on. Sooo stupid. Here is [Rick doing really dirty Everlong](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM9febKLMac) in a filthy oiler room. Vindicated again.", "Because this is the first thing I check. And baby shark has 32M likes from 9.7B views.", "Yeah, the toothpaste is kind of out of the tube on that one.\n\nUltimately, with technology enabling even small amounts of people to do large-scale motherfuckering, we're gonna have to figure out how to stop people from being motherfuckers in the first place if we're gonna survive as a species, with either a stick, or with honey.\n\nGood luck, us.", "I must be a weird one I basically never look at the votes unless someone points it out. I do see the views and scan comments on some videos but I don't care the likes/dislikes.", "This reminds me of Disney content", "Song is a banger fuck yall", "Lmao, this dude with Tesla in his name's really criticisng someone for liking porsche", "Well then. You’ll just have to form your own opinion.", "Just a colloquial term to express positive thoughts about something. Similar terms would be \"that bangs\", \"that owns\", \"that rocks\", or \"that's sick\". I'd mostly associate it with teens, but I can't stop saying it. I have no idea how out of date it is/isn't. \n\nNo idea about the etymology, though.", "She's really hot now", ">think it's because the base samples for electronic music keep improving by a ton\n\nNo. \n\nOne of the best fucking songs in the universe is Daft Punk -- Digital Love, that song is over 20 years old now and the drums are still so warm, and the guitar tone in the solo, I swear to God, sounds better than the actual guitar tone of actual guitars in a lot of songs. \n\nFriday by Rebecca Black is poorly produced, poorly performed, drivel. That's why it sounds bad. It has nothing to do with technology or budget or anything. Its just badly created art. And I mean that in the most of professional ways.", "Showing the truth of the old adage, “Friends slow down, they even stop.”", "She identifies as Queer!", "Not really interested in the argument but Tesla, the person not the car brand, loved pigeons in a romantic way.", "I think people fail to realize that the point of this post is to criticize YouTube's asinine decision to remove dislikes", "This is such an awful take, honestly if you're over the age of 15 I'm embarrassed for you.", "Without seeing dislikes they had no clue what they were supposed to think and ultimately starved to death.", "I enjoyed this one much more.", "I haven't heard the song in a decade now. Yet just by looking at the video thumbnail I could instantly tell what it was... I remember when this was basically another form of Rickrolling", "You know when those movies from the 80s would try to portray how crazy the culture of the future is? Well, this is the real thing. This is what the future looks like.", "It friday", "That should make sense to you.\n\nLike, by convention a pop song is about 3-4 minutes long. By convention it's about 80-140 bpm. By convention there's words accompanying the music.", "This wasn’t a small demo reel. Her parents paid $4000 for this with the sole purpose of making a hit song go viral. They even opted to only pay half the cost in order to share the revenue with the producer. What happened with the song was exactly what they wanted. They just expected it to be an actual hit and not a mockery hit.", "next day is SAT ur DAY and afterwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaards comes SUNDAY SUNDAY", "Frankly that blows my mind a bit haha like I can't fully tell if you're joking which is more of a statement to how much I don't get it lol", "Jesus, it's as bad as people say. Do yourself a favor and don't click the link", "I would LOVE to know who is behind that channel. They obviously are really bloody good (as we can see from the videos). It really makes me wonder who they are.", "I was like \"Oh hey that's Taylor Hicks...or wait is that Rob Riggle dressed as Taylor Hicks?\"", "It's not a secret if everyone knows about it and do the same...", "Yeah hating people can be really good sometimes", "I’ll admit it: I like this song. It’s cringey, sure, but it’s a fun little pop song.", "her new song is actually aight\n\n[she outpaced the haters](https://youtu.be/3TKt3IAwG0c)", "To be fair, she’s improved a lot over the years. You wouldn’t even recognise her music and some of her features now, she’s genuinely good", ">the guy who wrote the song\n\nUnfortunately, \"Friday\" wasn't even his final form.\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWLhrHVySgA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWLhrHVySgA) \n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpEnoI7vrko](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpEnoI7vrko)", "That can't be right. People at one point were hating on her just to troll. This video definitely had dislikes at one point.", "[She grew up.](https://youtu.be/Lgqib9aNePg) Great voice, that song selection tho.", "The video has 4 million dislikes for anyone wondering. I'm still able to view the dislikes.", "The dislikes and the comments go hand in hand. There was a concentrated effort to get the video as many dislikes as it got done by the same people writing the hateful comments. \n\nLike its not hard to understand.", "I just got out of college for winter break and i dont have a job. So everyday is a friday till January", "The video has 4 million dislikes for anyone wondering. I'm still able to view the dislikes.", "Well, judging by the 2-minutes-of-hate subs which make it to /r/all every day, we still got a lot of shouting to do to fill up the void.", "So she starred in a film called Okay Google made by a Redditor recently. It about a murderous AI or something. Looked pretty decent.", "It's a masterpiece in that regard, isn't it?", "Literally every time my wife talks about buying chicken, when she gets home I say \"Did you bring that chicken for us to eat Gang Fight! Gang Fight!\" 😇👀", "Doesnt huet that her family is loaded and funds this crap", "No don't. There's a better Friday song by the cure. I'm sure it may not be everyone's jam but it's much better than this.\n\nAlso if you want to avoid Friday altogether there is Monday Monday from the mammas and the pappas.", "ahem\n\nsunday is afterwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaards.", "Man those Lyrics are off the huuk!", "She got shit because it was a trash song and her parents were wealthy enough to get her to shoot a video of this shit song", "i spent a lot of time with those pics", "Straight banger", "well apparently A FUCKING LOT of people her age somehow had figured out she wasnt great.", "Well, we certainly weren't singing in the back of a convertible.", "i understand shes older now but she still wont fuck you", "OMG. Fucking autotune", "case of the mondays......... get ur ass kicked for saying that....... i do believe", "Bro im not in the minority here. She was wrong to do this.", "I dunno, she said it's friday, so I am wasted already!", "> There was a concentrated effort to get the video as many dislikes as it got done by the same people writing the hateful comments\n\nYou have no proof of this other than your emotional thinking. I also highly doubt millions of people were writing hateful comments, especially comments saying for her to kill herself.", "ngl the video is really making that 3rd part a hard comeround", "Holy shit, so it's not just me. I know it remains kind of a punchline as \"a terrible song\" but I had completely forgotten just how legitimately awful it is. It's viscerally unpleasant to listen to, and I couldn't even make it though the first chorus.", "You mean 2017 World Series Champion Astros", "Of course yeah, sorry thought it would be obvious but some of these posts I'm honestly not sure", "The version of this [in the style of Bob Dylan](https://youtu.be/9FISHEO3gsM) is actually really great.", "...Tosh.0 still exists!?! TIL.", "Aphex twin is highly regarded as a talented musician, because he is. He did a lot for electronic music in general", "I think we should make this the new RickRoll.", "Digital pitch correction and the level of editing in the song I replied to are not synonymous", "Let the YouTube propaganda machine begin", "I wonder if she still sings?", "Maybe stop fucking John Oliver", "Totally looks like [the White Rabbit girl](https://www.simandan.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/dujour-the-matrix-2.jpg) from the first film.", "Dude we're literally talking about the Friday song here... you have to be trolling me", "Auto tune has been used for decades, and I mean further back than most people complaining were even born. It wasnt the same as it is now obviously but it's been a thing for a very long time. There was autotune in the 60's, it just wasn't a digital process and was more or less slightly speeding up or slowing down vocals to change pitch.", "I worked at Pepsi so I got the full bad music soundtrack from every store I went to", "Im still confused about why they left the button.", "Time to leave Youtube #Ignorance", "Just me, or has music gotten so bad that this song isn't as terrible as it seemed back then?", "I thought your dad was going to beat you with a pair of jumper cables or something.", "these are the people on reddit saying \"eat the rich\"", "Justine Beber!", "It’s like a Hot Topic store come to life", "That’s the joke", "I feel so bad for Rebecca Black. She was ruthlessly* bullied by people who don't understand what the definition of \"going too far\" is and now she's just a jaded, angry person who's just trying to move on from this shit, and nobody in the world will let her. All because her parents paid a shit load of money to some conman producer.", "Well, I was actually referencing the THX high fidelity audio/visual reproduction standards for movie theatres.", "I play this song, not ironically, for students each Friday. Yes, by musical standards it’s not too great, but the kids l play it for like it and she didn’t deserve the hate over this", "Stop he’s already dead", "whose arms' are broken in this situation?", "That's fucked up, man. \nIt's not secret at all!", "I watched this in all its entirety on the shitter and ill tell you what, im ready for Friday!", "Speak for yourself, 36 here and this shit slaps.", "Well Steve Mnuchin keeps dodging my phone calls, so I gotta take what I can get!", "...well, he did say it was from Tosh.0... stuff like that posted randomly is definitely par the course.", "???\n\nYou act like her doing this hurt people, lol. I'm gonna guess you're one of those people who supports cyberbullying kids if they're \"cringe\".", "Except it's never \"punching up\" if the person you're punching is a teenager who was thrust into a shitty situation by adults.\n\nPunching Rebecca Black = bad\n\nPunching Elon Musk = do it twice", "Interesting! I have heard of Francesco Paoli from this band but not this guy. I did enjoy the song, but I gotta say I didn't really hear anything too unbelievable in it. I was only half paying attention, so I may have missed something. From what I heard though, it all sounds like pretty standard power metal fare to me. I feel like back when I was conditioned to play that kind of speed I could have sight read most or all of what I was paying attention to. And I would consider myself middling at best.", "But I love [Garbage](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_(band))!", "people that immediately go through other people's comments as soon as they disagree with them are a special kind of bitch.", "The last part has a lot of postives that come with it. Its allowed a lot of really talented people to provide more content they never would have been able to before \n\nLike ads suck but I'm also happy people can get some sort of tangible living out of it", "I don't know. These could pass as Black Eyed Peas lyrics", "Bots man, they remove the dislikes haha", "It’s weird that your mind went there but it makes sense coming from someone who gets upset that teenagers have dreams. Go to therapy", "There are a lot of mainstream hits that have equally weird ass lyrics.", "Now my 1 dislike is there. Let's see how long it is before it's removed.", "Fun. Fun. Fun. Fun.", "Well they often have a lot of fans and support, so someone like Rice Gum or Jake Paul somehow genuinely have a tonne of fans. It can balance out somewhat. \n\nRebecca had a very small fan base, in contrast with most of Earth actively despising her", "-Micheal Scott", "What did it have like 10 million dislikes?", "This joke would land better if you used a legitimately terrible song. \n\nThis song is a bop and I won’t hear otherwise.", "> at the same level of Britney spears except it being infamous and you're a teen\n\nBritney was always treated as infamous, her breakdown didn't come out of nowhere\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJDmL76G0SA&ab_channel=SantaSpears", "Her latest song isn't too bad though\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEy5x-vTH4g", "RIP Baby driver", "Imagine thinking Muskboi invented the term Tesla.", "Was this really that bad? Holy shit", "It’s truly a riveting song about the internal torment of making a decision about sitting in the front seat or sitting in the back seat. \n\nWhich one will she take??? It’s a question for the ages.", "Now it has two.", "Why not, her music still sucks. Those saying she’s “talented” are the same ones that made fun of her for this video and now feel bad about it.", "r/unexpectedfuturama", "It's not like people are listening to actual climate experts anyway.", "Ugh. My heart.", "dude sunglasses warning", "I haven’t but now I’m curious. Where should I start", "Her new stuff is good", "It was hated because it was the height of the derided autotuned-female-pop singer era, plus the lyrics were hackneyed at best. BUT, it created an entire sub genre of youtubers trying to \"improve\" the song or shitpost about it. The best imho is the Bob Dylan version with the fake nostalgic posts in the comments.", "Yes. A single user can generate multiple views on the same video.", "Its been 10 years? Fuck you, all of your redditors making me stay here", "I’d recommend “Tuesday’s Gone by Lynyrd Skynyrd” for tomorrow. But not sure if that’s a Wednesday song…", "Kind of endearing in retrospect. Glad she made it", "it's way worse. just like, accept and move on. this cringy \"i'm owning it\" is so much worse. \n\n\nthe original is fun. it's poppy, catchy, a little cringe because it's so teen, but there's authenticity in that. this \"i don't give a fuck, i make fun of it too\" attitude is broken because it looks like the new video cost way more to make. :P", "At 14 you're old enough to know you have to work for your dream, you dont just pay for it", "Item Gained! - \"Rose colored glasses\"\n\nSpeech tree unlocked! - \"Kids these days ...\"\n\nSpeech tree unlocked! - \"Back in my day...\"", "... maybe is bisexual hyperpop?", "\nDid you ever hear the tragedy of Jake Lloyd? I thought not. It's not a story the fans would tell you. ... Jake Lloyd was a child actor who portrayed Young Anakin, so unfortunate and so tormented because fans despised his portrayal. Due to the bullying, he quit acting at 12, and eventually was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia.\n\nAlso a reminder of how shitty the net can be. Like really, it's a stupid video made by a bunch of goofy kids. She still get people to troll her with the track to this day... Like really.", "all i said was i dont feel too sorry for her. Nobody deserves to be bullied, but at the same time her lack of awareness thinking that she could just become famous overnight if her parents made her a video says something. She was bullied because other kids her age recognized this, so dont go telling me how she was some hapless little kid who could not have foreseen peoples reaction.", "People love a good moan about any change YouTube makes. With this being more substantial than usual the complaining has multiplied a fair bit. \n\nYou're right. Likes and dislikes give no indication of whether something is good or bad as people simply pile on and there's no nuance. If you want to know if a guide (main and only semi convincing argument I've seen in favour of keeping a dislike bar) is good before you watch then it's best to go to the comments regardless of the dislike bar. People could dislike because the person has an annoying voice. It shows you nothing on its own.", "Lyrical writing seems a tad bit better too.", "MY HAND IS A DOLPHIN", "This is how is supposed to be.", "DAE Deep State?!", "And what is Sunday but the Friday of the weekend?", "Thats what makes her an easy target. She was a spoiled rich white girl that got budgeted a music video with no talent or work required on her behalf. When it came out stupid, people got to laugh.", ">No you’re right \n\nI know", "Lol who tf is downvoting this", "Star Wars Sequels and its writers? You mean like Kathleen Kennedy? The person in charge of the Star Wars Sequels?\n\nAnd you mean the Star Wars Sequels where everyone was upset the main character was a woman and that it looked like her primary love interest was going to be a black man, right?\n\nThat's your example to prove misogyny isn't real?", "Ah, the classic fuckyoulogy", "I think it's only one guy! He's amazing with voices and writes/composes/sings all of the songs.", "Omg you correctly wrote tell me... without saying...\n\nInstead of the incorrect tell me.... without telling me... That seemingly everyone uses.\n\nYou're awesome.", "And excellent at detecting sarcasm too! Truly a marvel", "You're literally victim blaming a child for getting cyberbullied...", "What the fuck", "/r/2meirl4meirl", "Pop is literally meant to be conventional", "I don't remember the video and I'm not gonna watch it again, but I can't remember anything unsettling about him. You already know he's a producer of the song. If I remember correctly he's just featured on a small part driving a car and rapping. What's the issue?", "Now you're bragging about not bragging!! Does it never end with you?", "It's on par with half the shit people listen to nowadays. \n\nI cannot tell the difference between this and the black eyed peas.\n\nProduction value?\n\nIt's production value.", "Or maybe it was a really awful music video.", "\"She's actually talented\"\n\n\"Someone else wrote her lyrics\"\n\nHuh?", "Then this is clearly the first time you’ve ever been on the internet", "Disney movies usually come first and then the spiral after.", "still sucks", "Lol that was my first point. It was terrible to begin with and everything else just amplified it\n\nThere's plenty of awful music videos out there, but this one got extra hate unwarranted of simply just being awful.", "Define work for it? Is she supposed to start singing on the streets before she is allowed to make a music video?", "source?", "\"Return YouTube Dislike\" is the name of the browser extension that you are looking for.", "I dunno I mean she's still doing cringey ass music and making that weird face", "The thing is the Rick roll song is actually a good song though.", "It was just before the surge of ads.", "100% agree, I love giving her the clicks. We're probably up to 200 as a family. Very wholesome!", "Grab my bowl got to have my cereal", "Lmao point made.", "Random dolphin noises?", "That's worse than being Rick Rolled...", "The same happened with Brooke Shields. Very sick to think about.", "She's famous enough now because of the publicity.\n\nThere's no such thing as bad publicity, if enough people hate something it'll get the word out to even more.", "jokes on you, this song bops", "Fried Egg", "/r/boneappletea", "\"Welcome to Errf\" - Will Smith", "Is that actually her?", "Cyber bullying isn't a thing thats ever going to stop. You put something on the internet then you open yourself up to whatever comes. Teach kids to know THAT, not that people on the internet should respect your boundaries. Thats just naive.", "Yes, it is my first time.", "We live in China now... Enjoy!", "Oh god....", "Dylan Brady produced it so that makes sense.", "For real. I thank God that I barely missed all this. MySpace didn’t really become a “thing” until the year I graduated high school. \n\nAnd they had the grace to disappear", "I go to youtube so much less since they dumped dislikes", "Do you think people are discussing Baby by Justin Bieber? \n\nBecause they aren't. This is a false comparison you made in your head. And that's without mentioning how popular Baby was on its own merits, how it launched Justin Bieber's career, and how Justin Bieber has grown and evolved as an artist as he's been allowed to move past his early work by a media that's interested in his work and not only interested in hate. \n\nJustin Bieber is currently making headlines for performing at a F1 Race in Saudi Arabia. Rebecca Black is currently being argued about on Reddit. You tell me which one is hated. \n\nAnd as one final point, Justin Bieber was beloved by young women. There's a connection between men hating someone other women like. But Rebecca Black? She was a 14 year old girl singing and smiling a bad song on Youtube that WASN'T RELEASED AS A NATIONWIDE SONG. It was a song uploaded to Youtube that went viral because of hate. And you want to tell me there's a correlation? \n\nThis is a joke.", "How about mocking her parents for making it happen?", "I didnt know hearing 3OH!3 singing \"Here comes fuckin friday\" was something i needed this evening, thank you for this sir", "On the other hand, a demographic that tends to obsess over hating what teenaged girls do are terminally online men.", "A classic.", "The best youtube comment was \"the fact that its 2021 and she hasnt deleted this yet is actually so gangsta\" xD", "Oh shit, nice.", "We literally are 10 years beyond this right now.", "Of course she asked for all that attention. I'm sure she wished it was positive attention but don't think it was some backyard video that got leaked and went viral online. Her rich dad threw money at this. Turns out it kinda worked.", "I can honestly say I didn't think she'd go the thirst trap angle. I'm legit surprised.", "Wrong, since the like and dislike would be relevant when compared to each other, but not compared to a total viewcount.", "Big Roy Donk fan?", "Her standing in the car just has to be a throwback to Friday", "Cue the pompous \"tHiS sOUnDs JuSt LiKe MaInStReAm MuSiC aNyWaY\" douchebags who inexplicably need to let us know about how their obscure favorites make them better than everyone.", "Homie won the first season of The Masked Singer, too.", "It is a banger. Good for her and fuck the haters", "Was a junior in college when this girl enrolled as a freshman and joined a sorority. Every time she came to a party they would play this song when she came in the room. It was funny at the time but I’m pretty sure she dropped out soon after or at least stopped going out around college", "How do you monetize that kind of following,", "I remove my dislikes on videos I don't like, like this one, and dislike all the videos I do like now in retaliation for what YouTube did with the dislike button.", "I legitimately like the original better.", "Well she seems like the nicest damn person ever", "[Even better] (https://youtu.be/1GaKaGwch0U)", "There was a post on r/lastimages yesterday of a ladies grandson that she took of him a few hours before he died at nearly 3 years of age. I thought Holy shit what are you doing. Sure enough a bunch of anti vaxxers were on there saying he shouldn't been vaccinated. (He's 3 so he wasn't) The OP was obviously offended. I don't agree with or like anti vaxxers but sorry Miss, you put that out there for the world. No one told or asked you too. People will respond as the biggest dipshits for the sole purpose that they can do that. If you don't get that, stay the fuck off the internet", "I mean if you wanna see a song about food by the same producer: https://youtu.be/wWLhrHVySgA", "She’s a cutie now tbh", "What the actual fuck did I just endure?", "FUN FUN FUN FUN", "\"And Sunday comes afterwards\"", "> In the end she took it well.. years later.\n> \n> \n\nIt's a completely different scenario, but Monica Lewinski's story is similar. She got all the negative attention and she only later learned to make peace with it and even jokes about it now.", "Man, I barely dodged this. I was on USENET in my mid twenties(aka peak moron) and Google archived that. Thankfully my cringe handle back then was so generic(it even contained the word \"black\") that my idiotic twen squeals are now lot to the void.\n\nMilennials barely dodged that bullet. Zoomers will bear the full brunt. We cannot judge the cringe. It is up to us to not judge the cringe.", " Noo, first rule is you do not talk about Fight Club...", "Also helps that her infamy doesn't come from being a fat cunt.", "This is the real issue with YouTube’s “everyone gets a trophy” approach.", "Sandstorm was made by professional producer who put a lot of time and effort into making Sandstorm using some of the best analogue and digital gear in the world.\n\nFriday was made by probably the cheapest producer Black’s parents could hire who probably did the bare minimum to get his paycheck using the cheapest equipment and software acceptable in a professional studio \n\nThe point OP is making is that if you took the cheap and lazy approach today, software and hardware has come so far in such a short amount of time you’d likely end up with nothing nearly as bad as Friday", "#FOOP", "No dislikes... I wish", "You still haven't told me why I have my head up my ass, at this point I'm just going to assume you don't have any credibility at all since you won't make legitimate counter argument. \n\n\n\nThe pure fucking irony of you dropping that quote on me like I'm the one who doesn't care to know, I'm the only person within this thread who has actually made a non reactionary argument with examples and not an ostensibly ad hominem bullshit argument like the one you're trying to high road me with.\n\n\n\nFuck outta here, your rhetoric is the opposite of constructive.", "Well JourneymanHunt… there’s something I need you to know.\n\nAnd that’s I’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC an…let me finish\n\nI’m Chris Hansen with Dateline NBC and we’re doing a story on adults who prey on minors. Is there anything you’d like to say", "It’s a fair bit worse than I remember lmao", "Wait she has a only fans or something? What's this nudie cards she promoting?", "The add before the video was for Target, advertising this person. If you buy it at Target you get 3 extra songs.\n\n\n\n\n\nThis is hot garbage. Auto tune is the scourge of music. The music industry will try to sell anything and basic bitches will eat it up.", "Kathleen was just a producer, she didn't write it or choose artistic direction. I didn't even know who she was until you mentioned her.\n\nFor me Rey was fine, the writing was just trash as it had been passed around and the direction has changed many times. And who can forget \"Somehow, Palpatine has returned\", or the Fortnite drop.\n\nThere's plenty instances of really bad misogyny out there in the world, I'm not sure why you're trying so hard to tie these creative failures directly to misogyny, when there are much more straightforward reasons for the public dislike of those works.", "There's also a Saturday fight song by Elton John", "She lost me there? Actually she lost me when she was waiting for the bus. Then said fuck the bus", "The dubstep version actually made it good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94TZJO_PXhU", "I've literally never heard of this song in my life.", "I mean, y'all didn't have to.", "Ads were started in 2009 on select videos. The surge of ads began on 2012 and the decline of original content really started in 2013 when garbage really started to take over YT.", "I wrote a song at 11 for a project in science class. The other kids seemed to like it, so I was pretty proud to show it off. Years later, I would scoff at my old music while writing new “good” music. After a while I realized I would never be satisfied with the music I wrote. Now I just record ideas and do nothing with them.", "Somehow I forgot how bad this was, I thought it can't be that bad.... wrong.", "Omg! Memories", "Bangingest", "[Friday gonna be great](https://www.instagram.com/msrebeccablack/p/CVyDXEQPPfj/?utm_medium=copy_link)", "It’s fucking notorious.", "The studio that made the song (ran by the guy who did the rap verse) also did some dubious things. \n\nIf you look at the songs they produced before Friday, none of them are really good, but they are not bad. They are pretty forgettable and relatively innocuous. Rebecca Black's friend made a music video so she wanted to too. I have heard people say \"Well she had to learn to deal with fame!\", but I do not really think that that was what she was after and also, she was fourteen. Anyway, her parents contacted the studio and they made Friday, a song Rebecca picked because the other option was a love song that she felt like she could not really relate to as a fourteen year old. \n\nFriday got all this attention for being bad, but if The Room taught us anything, garbage sells. So after Friday, the studio had some other \"successes\" all of which were similar to Friday in that they were pretty bad. And not just not good, but almost intentionally bad (Chinese Food is even pretty racist). So the creators saw that Friday got Rebecca Black all this attention (mostly negative things at best) and thought \"Yeah, more teenage girls deserve death threats so we can rebrand as a meme factory\".\n\nNot to mention Rebecca having to fight to get the rights to Friday, a song that destroyed part of her life, when she decided she wanted to embrace it. So they would not even let her have that without a battle.", "Define 'good'...", "Wow she got Big Frieda on the track.", "Gifs of this video are posted in works teams every Friday.", "I forgot to celebrate it but this song turned 10 years old recently ...", "Says the deaf person.", "Dang it! My monke brain fell hard for this one.", "I genuinely feel bad for these kids. Yeah, we had AIM but that absolutely pales in comparison when it comes to all the social media now. Growing up is difficult enough as it is and now it’s all archived for all their peers to view. \n\nEff that noise", "Just because you don't know why things receive hate and who the hate is directed at does not mean that is not why it exists. The fact you go along with it without looking into things just shows you're part of a mob mentality and don't look into why you hate things, you just follow the trends.", "...gotta get down on pi day?", "I just lost a year off my life", "I don't know what you're trying to say here. This song is a banger.", "Wish it was Sunday, that's my fun day.", "It’s hard to say. It always felt a little intrusive. I suppose unsettling isn’t accurate. More awkward. It’s the same feeling I get every time I hear DJ Khalid yelling at the beginning of a song. It’s just ehhhh. It’s hard to articulate. Perhaps that feeling of second hand embarrassment when someone’s trying too hard to get attention?\n\nEdit just to say I definitely don’t have anything personal against the guy. He’s doing his thing and doesn’t seem to be hurting anyone.", "Oof. That was terrible. Much prefer the original version along with the other extra million people.", "How does this song get any likes?", "19 seconds was all I could take", "Are you looking forward to the weekend?", "\"Ok\" - Jorge Soler", "Well, I for one think your car is very pretty.", "Just look at googles API. The support for accessing dislikes through it ends in a bit.", "He’s not joking, but the genre is half satire so it’s abrasive and obnoxious sounds are intentional and can be done as a joke. Hyperpop has competent producers who work with pop stars making more palatable sounds. They know what they’re doing when they make something that sounds like that.", "Gotta get down on Friday.", "If you have access to the steering wheel, you're in the right seat. Godspeed brother.", "Dude come on", "I like to think it's someone famous 😁", "Me too! Lmao", "She just released a song and music video with bbno$ (baby no money)", "I remember when I was in the military I would play this in my barracks room every Friday morning loud enough that the whole building could hear just to annoy everyone (☝︎ ՞ਊ ՞)☝︎", ">Idk what culture/genre this is, but holy shit is it anxiety inducing. \n \nIt made me uncomfortable, like a bad trip. I hate it", "Yeah, they did some work with Vince Staples on Big Fish Theory (Samo, Yeah Right). And she worked with Flume on Hi, This Is Flume.\n\nReally wish we'd have gotten more SOPHIE rap collabs because it definitely would've paid off.", "Song aside this is another reason that removing dislikes is damaging as a community. I understand that mass dislikes are a thing and there are very toxic people in the world and some are willing to undermine other creators. But youtube knows exactly where and how you came across the video. For example let's say a streamer tells its audience to dislike someone's video because they did something they don't agree with. Well youtube would know where this traffic is coming from and be able to monitor the dislikes. Or maybe it is coming from a political website or anything else. I for one watch a lot of how-to videos and tech reviews and there's so much misinformation out there that the dislikes make it manageable. \n\nI want to point out I don't agree removing dislikes helps with a 1 size fits all strategy as well as many things in life but if censoring dislikes is a must then it should be done in intelligently. Videos you come across through the algorithm should not be censored as well as generic searches. Any video that comes up naturally should be allowed to dislike if you don't actually like the video. My last idea would be to enter a description as to why you enter dislike. If the creator is doing something you dislike then they should know how to fix it. Some people don't like writing comments I get, but if you go out of your way to dislike then a minimum of say 5 words can help out. Constructive feedback is important.", "Oh noooooooooo she put a donk on it.", "I feel that shit like [Mr Bungle](https://youtu.be/qrXPvu6lYFY) and [Igorrr](https://youtu.be/vS7X5nuvjHo) prepared me for this new cultural reality pretty well.", "Someone tell this shithead it’s done since day one", "This is maybe my favorite video on YouTube", "> Rebecca Black looks exactly like the White Rabbit girl from the first Matrix\nThank you! I knew there was something that was familiar...", "Sometimes reddit likes to hate on the voice of reason for the sake of a joke. I don’t really think its funny to be intentionally dense but some people really do.\n\nLike i know theyre trying to make a joke but id still reply the way you did.\n\nThen youll get labelled as offended when really the joke was just lost on you. No need to stress about it", "Lol how dare someone like a vehicle that’s actually built well. Tesla fan boys are something else", "MY HAND IS A DOLPHIN", "We can still downvote here though!", "I could listen to her say \"Fun\" all day...", "I won't even listen to it again, all I remember is \"Friday it's Friday...\"", "I post a link to his video in my all company teams chat every Friday. I'm shocked I haven't been fired yet.", "I like the death metal remix better. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/pi00ykRg_5c", "for what it's worth there's probably no shortage of banal music in all of the infinite dimensions we quantumly do and do not inhabit", "Fun", "I think it was also really trendy to shit on what teenaged girls liked, for reference the Twilight movies were released from 2008-2012, Justin Bieber debuted 2010, there were plenty of people primed to hate on whatever became prominent next.", "But how?", "Tosh.o is still a thing?", "you know what else sucks? that futurama video about the neutral planet where people tried for so long to keep the likes and dislikes balanced and now its all fucking gone", ">>My secret fantasy was that I would die\n>\n \nMe too, thanks", "So basically pop music with yeezus like production?", "Meta", "I've seen Friday and I've seen 2 of the of the 3 new Star wars sequels. I tried to watch episode 9 and had to stop, it was too bad. Please don't tell me why I don't like something, that is innately non-sensical. Only I can tell you why I don't like something. When you ignore what people criticize and write it off as misogyny, you lose credibility and you look bad. Also you've made some massive assumptions in your logic about me, which is rude.", "I've never heard this song. Still haven't. I was somehow able to avoid hearing it out in the wild when it came out. This one nearly got me.", "Well, it is a banger", "You’re lucky, lol. I am one of only two (!) people in the US with my name, and I FUMED when stupid Google bought Usenet and decided those pages needed to be archived for posterity (!). \n\nRarely has a disregard of ‘make sure your real name is not visible in the email header’ backfired so badly; and of course, if you’d asked me when I WAS 20, I would’ve said I’d never be embarrassed by my opinions and would always stand behind them, lol - I was precocious! I put a lot of thought into them! I was only writing to a group of some 250-300 people, all of whom felt at least vaguely kindly towards me! - so on and so forth.", "Please tell me the other one was a \"funky butt loving\" reference.", "157 million views and no dislikes. Definite quality for sure.", "So your position is a rigged system is better than no system? I don't buy that. I believe the \"lie\" is more damaging than no metric at all. What's more damaging, believing a lie, and basing your opinion on a lie, or just not forming an opinion because you aren't adequately informed? I'll tell which is more damaging, that's the former.", "Every woman that's had 2 kids or more looked at childbirth and said \"Eh, I could do that again.\"", "She's surprisingly thicc now, so that's nice.", "I knew it was going to be god awful and I still clicked… that’s on me.", "You're legally obligated to tell a lie? Weird law.", "its my fav song. i like to listen to it while i eat dry cereal", "TikTok superstar", "Totally agree. As long as I had a friend or two and my family liked me, I could be rich and hated by random internet people all day, if I was sitting in a huge house in a gated community lol.", "I would have agreed with you... but in reality it just might make comments worse and death threats MORE common not less.", "It's like imagining all the colors we've never seen", "Same thing with Jack Gleeson of GOT. Nicest guy ever, but his hatemail was unreal. However, that kid was smart: straight up bailed from the industry after Joffrey was killed off, then took his GOT-when-it-was-good money back home to England and does AmDram/Community theatre and small professional stage productions. Talk about living the dream.", "Same", "I am totally ignorant here…\n\nBut what’s the difference between what you posted and electronic pop?\n\nCause I feel like I’ve been hearing this kind of music for almost a decade and it was electronic pop", "I don't think Tommy Wiseau fans would enjoy this", "The ridiculousness of her fame meant there were only two outcomes: either she came out super well adjusted or she would become a total dumpster fire. She seems to have achieved the first option.", "I don't get it. I see the dislike count just fine (4M) on both my phone and pc, and I don't have any weird plugins or anything. \n\nIs this something that is only happening on some accounts? Like they're testing it out on some accounts but haven't implemented it for everyone yet?", "Got it. Yeah I think awkward and intrusive is a better characterization of him being on the song. It's definitely out of place but not really malicious or anything like that.", "FTFY\n> Career Boy, Barbie Boy, Daddy Like, Adam and Steve\n\nI truly couldn't tell how many songs you were trying to list lol. For a little bit I thought one was Barbie Boy Daddy like Adam and Steve", ">I thought Applaud the Impaler used fake drums until I saw them live.\n\nThought the same thing about Spenser in Archspire. The man plays so ridiculously fast and can keep it sounding so clean at the same time.", "Same goes for anyone with a Xanga/LiveJournal", "My one and only dislike on youtube was this video. Bring it back you monsters.", "Partying partying yeah!\n\nGuilty pleasure, I love this track.", "We all know it has millions if not tens of millions dislikes.", "lapse", "Give him the Cheese! The high stinky cheddar!", "I bet you that the online bullying of a teenage girl by millions wasn't it...", "Or maybe the population ratio shifted.", "Hyperpop", "Right, that’s what I getting at in my second sentence.", "TIL or remembered. I was 15 when this came out.", "I see what you did there", "I thought the original video didn't have a guy rapping, but I found some old parody versions on Vimeo, and the rap is there too.\n\nMust be the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandela_effect", "[Mandela effect](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandela_effect)* \n \n >In psychology, a false memory is a phenomenon where someone recalls something that did not happen or recalls it differently from the way it actually happened. Suggestibility, activation of associated information, the incorporation of misinformation, and source misattribution have been suggested to be several mechanisms underlying a variety of types of false memory phenomena. False memories are a component of false memory syndrome (FMS).\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "She was a well to do child who asked her parents to do this for her. I believe I n the end it worked out well for her. She does have a good voice.", "I went to CU, they played at my orientation, crazy to see them doing this after all these years", "Just scrolled through some of her new music. It's pretty good. She has a nice voice and that sorta chillout acapella style in some of them is really cool.\n\nGood for her.", "I stopped to read her tweet. \"Time heals and nothing is finite\". Literally everything is finite, wtf.", "The problem with the joke isn't just in intentionally being obtuse, but it implies that there's something inherently wrong in using the acronym like that. People like to use \"queer\" which I think is probably offensive, and I'm not aware of better terms, so asking if someone is \"lgbt\" makes sense.", "Rickrolling at least leads you to a good song", "Or a career in anything, for that matter. Imagine going to be a doctor without learning how to be a doctor, or a an accountant without being an accountant.", "So there's at least 1.3 million boys on youtube?", "You probably think major label boomer music made by corpos was counter culture.", "She never told you no lie.", "100% agree", "Unpopular opinion. It’s not that bad and sounds pretty much like all the other bull crap pop songs.", "Its hyperpop, it's meant to be maximalist.", "But yesterday was Thursday...", "I found it hot", "I only knew Bob Saget from full house then saw one of his stand up tapes when I was about 12. I always knew TV shows were \"fake\" but damn, that one was a massive eye opening moment.", "like every other natural born talent before her", "He so clearly enunciates the word \"earth\" in that scene. The whole \"urf\" meme is fabricated after the fact out of racialized mandela effect shit.", "While we're enjoying this gem, anyone ever check out the [fake Bob Dylan cover of Friday?](https://youtu.be/9FISHEO3gsM)", "sometimes a victim shares some of the blame. I'd like to take an evening stroll right not, but I wont do it in the hood. Should I be able to?", "You stupid monkey!", "[i live in garbage](https://youtu.be/SSueE5vS99M)", "Just look at one of her latest songs. She’s actually got a good voice. https://youtu.be/N5SeIDAM3h0 \n\nShe’s not amazing, but she’s a million times better than she was in Friday.", "Rebecca black is a treasure. And always has been.", "I only hear the heavy metal version", "Can you give the TL;DR version?", "I can’t believe I’m not a famous singer.", "Glad you like it, I think it's cliche crap", "The reason this video had so many dislikes was a reddit cyberbullying campaign. This is why reddit is so mad about it: they won't be able to use the dislike button to bully teenagers with it anymore.", "This is going to sound really crazy but I went to school with her when she made this song. If anything that song made her pretentious and she starting acting like she was too cool to hang around. But she will tell you she was bullied for it to make herself feel better.", "Smarch", "People that can't separate \"suspension of disbelief\" with reality are kinda scary. Imagine trying to tell them it's just a movie, and then they go out and buy a gun and think some fictional robot or dragon from the future is going to destroy their small town first but not a major one and it's not real. \n\nThese people need to see a play when everyone at the end holds each others hand and bow, or some behind the scenes when actors break character.", "Just kill Jay, that would be so tight.", "Yo. This is some Dead Leaves level IRL shit!", "You’re a bad person", "Everybody’s Russian! 🇷🇺", "Or what about Rebecca Black’s own remix? The Friday Hyperpop remix? https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y", "Glad she's got her shit together....but HFS that video is damn near seizure inducing. Not a fan at all.", "All hail our Google overlords!", "If it sounds good, I'll listen. Auto-tune or whatever.\n\nBut let's be honest, the catchy tunes and rythms have nothing to do with the \"artist\" themselves. It is the team behind them that do it and the producers that create the songs.\n\nFor example, check out Max Martin. He basically created like 80% of the famous pop songs over the years.\n\nI get it. The artists are the ability to market them, but the actual catchy music people love, are with the producers.", "I wish I could remember how I stumbled upon it. I wanna go back and be that happy again.", "I believe it was the older dude in the middle of the song rapping. He has others, like “Chinese Food”, that he appears in with a bunch of young girls. IIRC he wrote and produced the song and was paid by her parents", "And, of course, Manic Monday, performed by the Bangles but written by Prince!", "Yeah I feel like people forget that the original Friday music video was made by a company that specifically caters to vanity projects for rich kids. \n\nObviously the extent of the hate she got was really undeserved and over the top, but it’s true that she isn’t a good singer at all. It just goes to show that no amount of money will make up for a complete lack of talent.", "Reddit is so funny like that, I just say shit and people down vote, oh whaleeeee", "Ah my fricken ears", "The hyperpop remix is a absolute banger tho", "Listing to it again it sounds like a Minecraft parody", "I love that!! Thanks for telling me!!", "Ya\n\n It instead of our age not wanting to post our failures \n\nIt appears that’s what current Gen strives for \n\nClicks or dignity…", "perhaps", "If we give them a platform, maybe they could shoot something else?\n\nEDIT: A video, shoot a video.", "That is true. I expect she'll be buck wild for a while, but it's going to be an interesting struggle to witness so publicly.", "Not because the song is terrible?", "And what genres do you listen to?", "Tom did us a solid and flushed the evidence.", "They have a platform already…", "Yea my boy thanos was right", "Her music is so good now", "Seems like Rebecca Black isn't exactly basking in obscurity, so maybe she's that 0.01%, but still a strange place for that argument.", "“But ok” \n\nLmao. The passive aggressive shade is just too much", "Matt Mulholland's cover is so much better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxleH60hDJY", "I love Max Martin. He's literally one of the most successful producers of all time, chart hit after chart hit. He has been able to dictate a good chunk of global music tastes for 30 years.\n\nThat's fucking impressive.\n\nAlso I'm someone who has been into electronic music for 20+ years now. The thing I love the most about it is the faceless nature of a lot of the music. It's music for the sake of music, and not a person. So many huge artists in those genres released music under dozens of different names. And besides DJ culture so many producers gained absolutely no major recognition, just people making fun music for the sake of stuff to dance to.\n\nSo yea, I enjoy the process. If they are highly produced, do it on their own, whatever. As long as it is something that pokes the right parts of my brain to give me a dopamine release it's good.", "Reading comprehension", "The [wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperpop) can explain it better than I can. But I'd say that as a microgenre, hyperpop would be a sub-genre of electronic pop, not a separate genre. \n\nBut personally I think all attempts to draw hard genre distinctions are futile, because artwork and artist inspiration are both hard things to define.", "Why did they take away dislikes?", "Oh yeah that teenage girl totally deserved hundreds of millions of dislikes and it's good that that happened. Congrats on being such a cool and good person who thinks rationally.", "Fun..Fun..Fun", "Bruh why are you getting downvoted??? People still being homophobic in 2021??", "First time hearing both of those lol.", "This shit slaps", "It’s terrible!!!", "It's bad in a way that shouldn't be possible in the world of auto tune.", "Nah she’s gay now so easily cuttable background footage is the best that can be done", "Don't insult Rick Astley like that :(", "what's tomorrow?", "[mate... song is actually chill too.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c&t=176s)", "You forgot the best part. She released it exactly 10 years from the original. On a Wednesday.", "You could have at least waited until Friday before making this joke.", "That would be Ada Nicodemou. Half of 90s Australian teens probably had a crush on her. The other half had one on Callan Mulvey.", "It grows on you.\n\nEspecially when you play it to your co-worker every Friday, subconsciously training him until merely mentioning the day will set him off singing the song.", "Mainly the heavily manipulated vocals and metallic sheen of it. Everything just feels very exaggerated, to the point where it almost sounds like it's being done ironically if you've never listened to it before. Compare that song to some radio electropop like, say, Katy Perry's stuff, and the differences should be apparent.", "For realz like? Where’s she talk about that?", "It’s fun. No reason to hate this girl for it. Obviously it’s not a greatest hit.", "I saw her open for Man Man one time, actually on a Friday, and she has a killer voice and really has found her stride as a musician these days.", "Lucky her. She got over it.", "Yes.", "Those are... somehow worse than the people they portray.", "Yeah, because they totally thought millions of people around the world would bully their kid over a silly music video.", "Why are they doing this?", "Heh, hadn't seen that film or clip in over 20 years. [Looks like he does say Earth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NOvclo32DQ) \n\nStill an incredibly stupid scene in an incredibly stupid movie.", "Wow as a 40 something cranky cracker dude I have to say Dorian Electra is an absolute genius. Thanks for the link…I just went down a very fun 3 hour rabbit hole. That “my agenda” number sure is catchy.", "[youtube interview on good morning America](https://youtu.be/12drM72XZFw)\n\n[cnn article](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/11/entertainment/rebecca-black-friday-anniversary-trnd/index.html)", "That's it?", "It has one I hate that song", "\"My hand is a dolphin!\"", "I'm gonna say that in no world could any child ever consent to the level of virality that she received.", "> PC Music: generally\n\nA good entry point for the label specifically would be PC Music, Vol. 1 and PC Music, Vol. 2. Both are great compilations of some of the best tracks on the label (in 2015 and 2016 anyway).\n\nOtherwise this is a great list to get introduced to hyperpop!", "It had 3,190,000 dislikes, maybe the counter rolled over", "Better than Travis Scott's autotuned shit.", "Tuuuesday, Tuuuesday tomorrow it will be Tuuuesday.", "lots of likes and no dislikes? this must be a great PC building tutorial!\n\nyou know what I'm talking about.", "I feel like people are missing the cough cunning linguist cough part of this.", "Hey Pavlov, where did that reaction come from?", "Isn't this a good example of why the dislike button should be removed? God forbid we can't bully a teen online.", "wow gentlemen was a lot of fun, thanks for linking this", "I can't hate, she's probably not sleeping at work on an air mattress like I am.", "Yay let's all pick on a 12 year old girl living out a fantasy!\n\nFuckin' douche", "So I still have a chance right?", "This is actually a really interesting comment and shows how siloed the internet can be", "She was a popular face, but almost inarguably, AG Cook and Sophie are the two biggest progenitors of hyperpop.", "She was a contestant on that singing show of P.Diddy’s. Wasn’t half bad to be honest.", "I play every dance I go to", ">A ~~Disney~~ Hallmark movie ready to be made!", "Yeah, it is sooooo poorly done from a technical perspective when you watch it as an adult. The creature design is super cool but the execution of the shot just isn't believable.", "\"The girl in pink,\" from the video actually started an organization to prevent bullying. \n\nhttps://rebecca-black.fandom.com/wiki/Benni_Cinkle", "Just YouTube helping those small creators out right", "If anything it shows what money does buy. She has zero talent and yet here we are talking about her.", "Being purposely obtuse and insulting at the same time. Reddit bingo! Top row across!", "It's a fair place to start, though could be more or less. The partner program pays on an algorithm that factors in views and how long the person viewed the video (virtually no videos have 100% viewer retention), then it's a matter of how many ads and what format (with music videos there's usually pre and/or post roll ads with overlays). Because of the number of variables it's really hard to accurately calculate the return without actually seeing the number.\n\n$750k is roughly $.005 for every view.", "I think video actually serves as an example of why that new \"feature\" exists. \n\nThis girl was targeted, harassed, bullied, and made miserable by the internet, and for what? Making an innocuous music video with her friends? \n\nWas this video really a good example of the \"dislike\" feature? I think the real problem is the disinformation and the purposefully mislabeled stuff. This is just a music video about how neat Friday is.", "I love it. It's a banger now.", "You can hear the autotune pretty clearly. Not that autotune music is bad, but it isn't close to a live performance.", "It was 100% unfair and unwarranted. The internet directed all its rage at a kid for no reason. There are honestly worse songs that play on the radio, and music labels are basically Bond Villain-level evil.", "Meh who gives a shit", "I don't like getting banged a sandstorm. It's coarse, and rough, and irritating, and it gets everywhere.", "It’s another stupid shit the young kids are doing", "Wanna feel old? She’s 45 now.", "Great of course I clicked the link to the song while my infant was sleeping because, I forgot all about it and didn't adjust the volume and now he's awake again and crying. Thanks Reddit.", "It's a wonder what actual training and good music and lyrics will do to a performer.", "Ha, i hear you. But we don't get to choose how or what people find meaning in. I can totally see how a vapid song about trying to look cool as a tween would resonate, and the crappiness of the song matching their feeling about that time in their life. Musically it sucks, but it is kind of perfect.", "> \"tell me you're x without saying you're x\" is sooo fucking played out at this point\n\nUnlike the still totally fresh \"wow this video has no dislikes must be really good, right?\" meme?", "I know it's unfair and unwarranted. But that's how many people who were hating her were saying at that time. It seems like some here are implying I genuinely believe that she deserved it, while i do not, and in fact I'm simply giving one reason why people back then acted in the irrational fashion they did.", "Damn, that means Onision, Nikado Avacado, and Shane Dawson must all be good people! Wow, I don't get where all this \"hate\" is supposedly coming from, I can only see good!", "i still got a dislike button its at 4 mil dislikes https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi", "It looks like she spent the last 18 years trapped in Mortal Kombat.", "Sure but is it [Saturday](https://youtu.be/GVCzdpagXOQ) by Rebecca?", "Then Ramsay Bolton came along and his actor dealt with the opposite problem, where multiple people coming up to him saying he was their favorite character despite the numerous vile acts that boy did in the show.", "Whoa, she got hot", "I think people are upset over you describing it as \"unnecessarily extravagant\". According to whom? I think that was just the meme that developed to bully this girl.\n\nI'm not saying you're bullying her, im just saying that there was a false narrative pushed about this girl, and its a shame. She recovered though, and I think she handled it really well all things considered.", "I'm not telling you why you hate something. I'm telling you where a lot of the negative response comes from, and you not understanding that only feeds into it. \n\nI don't like the Star Wars Sequels either. But I don't have a problem with a female lead character. You know there was a huge negative reaction before the movie was released, you just don't want to have that discussion. \n\nThis \"I'm not misogynist and I have these opinions, so no misogyny exists\" attitude is overwhelmingly common when discussing misogyny. I don't know what you have against admitting misogyny exists and is rampant.", "[This is actually rather good!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c)", "..i dont know.. but i think it made me unhealthy", "Mhmm Friday-roll\n\nSounds yummy", "That is now the second best remix of Friday I've heard, right after [this](https://youtu.be/YXC5AVvG61c).", "That felt like a trip back to the early 2010s wtf. Seemed like she had fun with it, which is what matters.", "This song was awful.", "Looks like it has 4M dislikes to me.\n\nImagine not being able to see dislikes on a video.", "Fuck everyone. I'm glad the internet failed to break her spirit. People forget that she was just 13 when she made that. People that age are particularly vulnerable to online bullying. I always thought all the negative attention she was getting over the song was hyper-disproportionate.", "It's 100% homophobia. Answering a relevant question about Rebecca Black in a thread about Rebecca Black isn't worthy of downvotes. \n\nHomophobes get triggered really hard by the words 'identify' and 'Queer' 🤷‍♂️ Sucks to suck.", "I cant believe she let that be released and thought it was good", "Haha what a story, Mark", "My god, my ears were burning after 4 seconds of having a listen - then I had to immediately close it. Yikes", "Wrong! I am the first one! Apparently.", "Have you heard the song by the same guy? [Chinese Food](https://youtu.be/wWLhrHVySgA)", "Did the audio got changed? Something feels off", "Its her parents fault", "Yeah she was a victim of the internet's misinformed rage. Perhaps I didn't specify enough that it was based on what people felt at the time rather than what was.\n\nPeople were talking about her being a spoiled rich girl who's parents are trying to buy her way to fame and yadda yadda, and that's what fueled a good amount of the hated towards her. Based on the twisted view they had back then, they felt like it was unfair for her to get famous, which is how it got memed so easily.\n\nPeople didn't care how much they actually spent making the video, or exactly how wealthy her parents were. All they saw is a relatively well-off highschool girl who's parents paid for a music video, something in their minds at that time only super rich celebrities do, and they judged her based on their emotions.", "For some of us it's our Friday.", "“I am Thursday’s child”", "Btw, thos song is bad and always was, but why is especially this one such a meme? There are billions of trash songs, what makes this so special?", "Oh god!! My Christian poetry phase….", "This song was about the JFK assassination. \n\n\nAlso, Chinese Food was worse than this.", "You’re the reason they changed the algorithm from timeline to popularity!", "Yes. It's the same YouTube channel as her Friday video, and she's been regularly been releasing stuff for the past few years.", "So glad we live in a post dislike world. But really in regards to the qualities of a good meme songs that isnt too self aware it has to be near the top. The rap part kills me everytime.", "I just listened to worth it for the feeling and was pretty impressed.", "You know one of the most pathetic things is that most of those commenters read the comments AND THEN hash out the same fucking joke about \"whoa it must be a masterpiece 0 dislikes hahahaha\"\n\nMonkey see, monkey post. honestly see that shit on here alot too", "This should be the top comment", "Agreed, and that's on the parents.", "I never said it didn't exist. Why are you arguing that I did? It's silly", "Yep. Turns out the folks that spend the most time on the internet are reactionary, and tend to view women and girls as easy targets.", "Which seat should I take??? Perhaps the one with no one in it?", "As slammed as she got for this dumpster fire back in the day, I think she she said it paid for college and then some. Good for her.", "I mean I'd argue it's just that auto tune has gotten better...", "It's a good case study for the internet archives at least", "Remember Katy Perry invited her to star in her video for Last Friday Night. That was pretty awesome.", "I'm not losing my mind over it or anything but I'm not gonna lie, it's pissed me off. I have no one to ask for advice on a lot of things so I always go to YT for tutorial videos and the like. I'll watch them for food, sewing, knitting, DIY, fixing car, product reviews etc.I've relied heavily on YT to help me make informed decisions and give me educated advice/opinions.Before they took the dislike button I took for granted how convenient it was to open a video, see something like \"100 likes, 230 dislikes\", go to the comments and see something like \"you never actually discussed the thing in the title\" and instead of wasting 10 minutes of my time I could just exit out and go to another creator that actually delivers the quality content they promised.Likewise, if I opened a video and the ratio was \"300 likes, 30 dislikes\" then I knew that I most likely was going to watch something helpful and even if it didn't help me, it helped a bunch of other people.I don't want to be in the middle of cooking something and what would have once taken 5 mins to find the answer for might take me 20 minutes. That's bullshit and I'M personally sick of hearing people say it's nothing. Making out like we're being children because a company made their product less user friendly and we're vocal about it makes me believe you either don't use Youtube much or you're a shill for them.\n\n10 mins of time wasted doesn't sound like much but it will add up over time as will my annoyance. Watching videos that were not relevant to what I needed will make my overall experience on youtube, which was once helpful and easy, become frustrating and difficult.At the end of the day Youtube is a business and we are the customers/consumers. Good for you that this doesn't effect or bother you, but it effects and bothers a lot of other people for more reasons than \"I dun like it coz I wanna make fun of people huurr\".\n\nEdit: The irony of people using a dislike button to express their dislike of my comment is so very ironic lmao. If a dislike button means nothing to you and you disagree with me, why you using the thing you think is useless instead of using your words? \nCan we take away the voting system on reddit now because I feel bullied & attacked by filthy hypocrites D;", "Really its an acheivement in the world of bad music. You couldnt just sit down and make a pop song more annoying than this, it has to come from an honest place.", "Obviously the superior genre for people of high intellect and good looks.", "We run laps on judgement.", "I still listen to [this](https://youtu.be/9FISHEO3gsM) version unironically.", "Both are great bands. Igorrr is such a perfect blend of genres. The opera screaming at 2:47 gets me every time.", "Good I fucking love hyperpop", "What a sad person you would have to be legit angry at the song.", "I still can't believe this company thought uploading crappy music videos for the entire world to see was a good birthday party activity.\n\nIt would have been very different if they just gave the parents a copy, why it had to be public?\n\nEven worse, after they went viral with this they realized the absolutely terrible songs were the ones which went viral so that's all they made after that.", "Igorrr was one hell of a trip. Thanks for sharing", "This is it. My life has made another circle!", "I think it got extra hate because it was an ear worm. It was somehow catchy but still bad, so people hated it for getting stuck in their head.", "ok enough internet for today...", "It's the same with early Bieber stuff. This shit isn't even that bad, it's just something you'd skip over if you had a chance, not talk to everyone how bad it is or whatever but 90% of people hated it just because internet or others said so.", "I thought the new version was dope. You sound absolutely miserable, person.", "I thought you were being jaded. But it was in fact actually worse than I remember.", "Mesa Elementary. The video’s director went there, but the band members themselves didn’t.", "Just because youtube hides the dislikes doesnt mean there are none smh. Youtube is pathetic", "beautiful girl, nice beat. shallow lyrics but so what.\n\n...is this one of those songs it's \"cool \" to hate on?", "Sounds like how I'd describe poppy", "Everything, mostly indie rock and hip hop. I don't dislike the style but I hate the execution. She does the super overdone breathy voice and slight lisp that has been going around lately, and she does it in a very forced/coached manner that is cringey as hell", "Thank you :)", "It’s so bad it’s good", "she looks like that B in apartment 23", "I listen to everything, including people that do what Rebecca black is attempting, lol", "Yeah that’s what friends do for each other.", "I have my most popular video with 400,000 views at 2,100 likes and 2,100 dislikes they are the same.\n\nIt's not a very good video I made it like 4 years ago but I just feel bad for anyone who watches it and she said has over 2,000 likes and not understand why.", "In defense of Friday. https://pjmedia.com/zombie/2011/03/18/in-defense-of-rebecca-blacks-friday-music-video-n136668", "I’m the middle child of three. I used to feel badly about being born in the sense that the idea of childbirth freaked me out when I was a kid and I just assumed it had to be a terrible ordeal to endure for the mother. I asked my mother more than once how dreadfully unpleasant it was to pop out me and my two siblings. She would never detail much complaint about it, bless her. To be perfectly honest I’m now 34 years old and I’m still not wild about the idea of giving birth (I’m female). Happily I have the ability to make my own choice in that regard. You ever know what the future is going to hold, I suppose.", "Having seen the videos that get mass-disliked I’ve never been able to understand the people that say “removing dislikes will increase misinformation” if anything the opposite is true.", "It is a banger!", "I did the same thing when slack was new and slackbot features were still novel. Anytime the word “Friday” was in a message this video would get auto-posted.\n\nThe sales team really didn’t like slack because it.", "And now you get to go down the rabbit hole of the reaction videos to it.\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vmQOO4WLI4", "I sincerely believe The Cure’s Friday I’m in Love was a failed attempt to reach the magnificence that is this song. Robert Smith is surely kicking himself.", "I once spent over an hour breaking this song down by word count, number of times each word was used, number of syllables in each word, etc. \n\nWhen I was done I asked myself, “Why the fuck did you just do that?”", "I’m pretty sure Don did not and never will want to thank you for that", "Not to cast doubt on your experience with her personally, but I think it’s pretty undeniable she was cyberbullied into oblivion.", "Bo Burnham covered a part of this song way back at a show, and after this line adds an unsure \"I'm assuming...\" and it kills me everytime. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/TNI4lVpKvVc", "So like Lady Gaga?", "Just wait 10 to 20 years and there'll be moms listening to it. IMO mostly that happens cause people fall in love with a thing as teens, then keep listening to it in later years. Just give it time.", "If youre wondering, its 4m dislikes.", "I mean Artpop is definitely a proto-hyperpop concept album.", "Whitehouse videos. \n\nIt’s a cesspool of anything anti-biden.\n\nI figured removal of the dislikes would simmer it down. But it seems to be the same.\n\nSo i’m now questioning if it’s either really petty people, or some foreign entity doing it to help increase discourse (automated).", "The person you’re responding to posted on /r/conspiracy about how they [believe vaccines are causing infertility in women](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/qju0vd/are_vaccinated_women_already_having_a_harder_time/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). These are the sort of people that believe YouTube dislikes being removed is a coverup.", "Sunday is after words", "You only like it becaue it's jerkbait.", "Bet you also love Tame Impala", "Or maybe people don't really like Biden and his administration.", "She thought she was famous and that's why people hated her.\n\nShe didn't understand that it was that because she was hated by so many people that it made her famous.", "You all should know this exists: https://youtu.be/iq_d8VSM0nw", "Dam I hate it", "The cool kids always stood by Rebecca Black. \n \nFriday is a banger and I will die on this hill.", "10/10 post and comment.\n\nWould relive last 10 years to set it up again.", "Am I the only one who still has the dislike counter?", "Zombieland", "\"Well they actually did it b/c Fauci and the gov. were being down voted. Situations like this were just the cover excuse\"\n\nThen what are you trying to say here? You listed your links as Exhibit* which makes it seem like you were making a case that Fauci OR the Gov is behind the influence in removing the thumbs down.\n\nAnd dont show any evidence.", "Revisiting under the care of a trained psychological professional, hopefully. I’ve never suffered abuse but breaking through my brain’s instinct to suppress what turned out to be ptsd was a bit of a rough time. It truly needed to be addressed or else I’d probably be dead now so hooray for being alive and stable!", "/r/TIHI", "She’s also an absolute smoke show, so she’s got that going for her.", "Oh that is definitely true. However, she has interviews acting like she was bullied so much at El Rancho, that was the school we went to. That isn’t true and if anything she was the bully when it happened.", "My hand is a dolphin!", "I did a solid and I flushed the evidence too.", "LMFAO", "there's a metal dub over too. sorry no link", "It feels weird to be a 40 year old guy and actually like something new. Maybe I'm the demographic for this?", "For 4 grand she has one of the most watched videos of all time on YouTube.\nAnd pretty sure she just dropped or is about to drop a new album.", "I assume the cause of death was creating this song.", "Thanks for hitting my feeling\n0/", "I like the beat in her song.", "Children are naive that’s why society gives them a pass, she obviously didn’t expect this to be the most disliked video on the planet and no one could’ve seen that. \n\nYour take is “she made a cringe song so she deserves mass hate idc”. She was a kid who probably didn’t know how to fully process infamy and repercussion. What a brain dead take dude, stop defending bullies and find a better use of your time", "I'm with sandstorm guy, I don't think that's the answer. Take Bjork or any of the other synth artists that existed prior to that. The Friday producers just used crappy synths.", "Glad for her, but fucking horrible ... Bring back the dislike button", "📠", "I remember the first time I watched this I laughed so hard I basically passed out at work. My coworker said my head started shaking and I had this dazed weird look. I was convulsing. I almost laughed myself to death with this video.", "Just last Friday I listened to this song, and searched up what she was doing out of curiosity. I ended up finding [Worth it for the feeling](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c) from her and I'll be honest, I've replayed it more then a few times.", "157 million views…that’s crazy", "I like how she is saying FU to everyone by showing off the Gold Record she got for the remix.", "", "Partying partying", "Not this time, isis.", "Wasn’t it like a gift that her parents got her for her birthday?\n\nLike her parents got her a gift and the gift was to make a music video so obviously it was going to be some stupid dumb thing written by a stupid dumb studio intended for kids?\n\nOr is that some apocryphal internet lore I stored in my brain back from when this came out because in my mind this was always like some kid’s birthday present that was never supposed to be seen by anyone except a few close friends and somehow the internet got hold of it and made fun of it.", "She's got rockin tits now too", "I love that song so much i still play that song", "Even though you clearly warned me, I couldn’t stop wondering wtf the song sounded like. It drove me nuts until I ended up watching the video and now I’m much worse off.", "Holy crap did not expect her to have 1.5 mil subs. Her other music is actually REALLY good. Vocally she's grown a lot. \n\nI really liked this: https://youtu.be/DcO6q-vxrB8\n\nAnd this: https://youtu.be/3TKt3IAwG0c", "God damn, the old school \"rage comic\" memes...", "What an amazing story", "Holy crap did not expect her to have 1.5 mil subs. Her other music is actually REALLY good. Vocally she's grown a lot. \n\nI really liked this: https://youtu.be/DcO6q-vxrB8\n\nAnd this: https://youtu.be/3TKt3IAwG0c", "Apparently she gained a bunch of weight and then lost it. Hence the boobs.", "There really hasn’t been a sea change, people still relentlessly bully moderately famous people online, even people whose fame extends to little more than “normal person who did a Tweet”, there are just fewer famous children now, or you’re seeing less of it because you’re older and less in touch with it happening because you care less and have a life or because you aren’t on the right platforms, but it still happens constantly.\n\nIn some circles I’m aware of cyber bullying is actually happening way more than it used to happen 10 years ago.", "sold", "i am a hyperpop fan and no, i do not understand it at all, so you might have a point.", "https://youtu.be/Eud_GTqxQ0U\n\nOriginal version without the horrible autotune they recently added.", "It says 4M dislikes for me. Does no one know about extensions?", "Cool to think about all the hot sex she and her friends will have. Probably in that car. But also- they didn't rhyme anything! Bold stylistic choice. I think the closest was rhyming \"rushing\" with \"bus stop.\"", "Some people’s idea of punching up is just this person was on reality TV or this person is white or this person has a YouTube channel\n\nPlenty of people don’t even give a shit about punching up", "Friday may have been a flop, but let me tell yall, Saturday is a BANGER. \n\nI'm not kidding, check out her Saturday song now.", "Pretty decent!", "The [original by Bob Dylan](https://youtu.be/9FISHEO3gsM) is still better.", "Fun Fun Fun Fun", "I can only imagine the cringe shit I put on my deviantart profile when I was a teenager", "I feel like I have cancer after listening to that.", "Why do I feel like I just got Rick rolled?", "Huh, I wrote off hyperpop after hearing 100 gecs (and spending the next several months trying to get their incredibly catchy but very unpleasant tunes out of my head), but both of those songs you linked are pretty decent.\n\nI suppose my taste for post-ironic shit quality only goes so far lol.", "didnt work on you unfortunately", "Watched it just to dislike it again. Sometimes it feels good to hate.", "[Friday in hell](https://youtu.be/Ti1D9t8n0qA)", "way to high for that shit right now", "I love this fuckin song. I don’t care what anyone says about it. Shit reminds me of such a great time in life, I’ll never not love it.", "i lost all my blogs from iraq in 2005 =(\n\nwould be nice to peer into my ramblings from younger me", "I still see 4 millions dislikes to 1.9 million likes", "Sounds like NOFX to me. /s", "You never forget, though. It'll always be there.", "Thank you, I hate it.", "search \"Return YouTube Dislike\". Fight YouTube's dumb decisions, and all the other genius website, the only way we can... with extensions.", "it's an amazing rabbit hole to get lost in!", "That youtube rewind with Will Smith was great too, 3 million likes and no dislikes.", "Yeah and just a few years later the bum R. Kelly, illegally and secretly married her after allegedly giving a bribe to the State of Illinois. Disgraceful", "Where my geocities peeps at?", "Yeah, but they're not really listening to her either. Just when she cries and yells things like \"how dare you\". The precociousness and the \"child chastising her parents\" role reversal angle is what sells.", "Good song", "Haha, yeah. My tech school photos are all gone.", "Because it's automatically good if a lot of people like something, irrelevant to what you feel...? (I get the joke, the title is just really dumb)", "More like having extremely rich parents is a much better indicator... clearly! \n\nEven if they go all Chet Hanks, there is almost always a cushy landing for kids like Rebecca. Nothing about this outcome is really all that surprising!", "I'm a jazz guy from the 20s and all I listen to is Hyperpop.", "I just listened to the whole thing as punishment for thinking I remember how bad it was. Holy shit.", "Truly unappreciated in their time", "I like that song. A classmate in college used to sing it on Fridays during architecture studio.", "The production decision to use a two-seat coupe for a song featuring front seat vs. back seat as a central lyric is the craziest part of that whole thing.", "I feel like this is such a shitty arguement against removing dislikes(which I am against), beacause this is so meaningless in the grand scheme of things. Its just a 3 minute song, so what if someone listens to it and hates it, solely basing their opinion off of the public opinion?", "I don’t know why this song reminds me of Robin Scherbatsky’s Let’s go to the mall lol", "Lmao look up any non classic pop song from the 60s that hit top 40. Or maybe watch Tomorrow War that was less fun, stupider, and cost $100 million.\n\nThere's a spirit of fun on the song that I like, and it's not really for its musicality. Some people I knew at the time liked it because it was cute. Indictment lmao.", "But the next day is Tuesday :)", "but at least now she shows her assets r/rebecca_black", "yup. she’s got a pair of wonderful talents", "This song slaps. Hated it so much I enjoy it unironically.", "Man, wait til you see this new thing they're doing: Youtube Rewind.\n\n(surely the actual source of 'creators feelings/mental health could be damaged' by dislikes)", "report the video as a scam for this reasone \"Its a scam that this video has this many likes and no dislikes, this is absolutely horrible, no one should ever have to hear this, if dislikes were shown im sure it would allow people to avoid it, but it seems that hiding dislikes brings in more ad revenue so people have to begin a video before they are given any critical information about it.\"...or something along those lines, your choice.", "Thanks YouTube. Now everyone has a safe space /s", "Explain to me what I am failing to comprehend. Or just give me another ad hominem and another down vote and be on your Merry way LOL\n\nEdit: the hivemind is so frail", "Yes, America's middle class has been slipping in power. \n\nMany people who think they're middle class these days are actually dangerously close to poverty.", "\nWas already a career by 2011. 2008 is when all that started, cept for ads which came a lil later.\n\nRyan Higa was a multi millionaire by 2011 just for example.", "\nThis is very 2010-2013 youtube. No 2000s involved", "exactly how taylor swift got famous.", "It has 4,070,057 dislikes. \n\nThere is a browser add-on/extension called \"return YouTube Dislike\" that makes dislikes visible.", "Creators gotta put ads in their own shit now, because the ads YT was running didnt pay the bills lol", "Thanks. It's roughly how I got started, out of order tho and with some slight detours like GFOTY.", "Either way, they gotta wait for the drop, however long it takes", "Wow your standards are low. Like super low.", "It kinda is", "Damn, she's got tits", "Because bullying didn't exist before that dislike button?", "Being middle class means having money to spend on luxuries. That video is a luxury just as much as braces are.", "Damn she's the only person who looks better with age", "Whatever, this will be stuck in my head all week.", "Thanks Liberals.\n\nThis is a natural extension of your policies:\n\nKeeping scores: Bad\n\nGrades: Bad\n\nTests: Bad\n\netc etc. every snowflake needs to be hugged. a therapy dog brought over. cant hurt anyones feelings, bla bla bla.\n\nThe result:\n\nShit songs that look like people like them.", "The Swiss have just the thing for us all.", "My coworker and I sing this song to each other every Friday.", "lmao banger for sure 💀", "😂 she brings it up a lot. People kickin in the front, they’re hanging in the back, just can’t decide where to sit!", "I had already watched a reaction vid compilation lol, a bunch of good ones. When the Verge guy called the zip ties \"tweezers\", I knew I was in for a treat.", "Actually due to YouTube's new regulation dislikes count isn't being shown.", "Holy shit, I forget how god-awful this was. \n\nThis has to be a troll. I remember what it was like to be a teenager, but even the cringiest kids at my school had more self-awareness than this.", "I'm curious to how much money she made on it. I saw yesterday the song baby shark has over 2 billion views. Might have been way higher.", "It had 4m dislikes.", "https://www.instagram.com/p/CWBqfRUv_gE/?utm_medium=copy_link\n\nAre you blind lmao", "What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little \"clever\" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.", "Well YouTube removed the dislike count.", "Okay, so you expect me to believe that you were the very best that your generation of Navy SEALs had to offer? I highly doubt that. If you were as good as you say you were, i don't think for a second that you would be browsing reddit. This is mostly a place for jobless neckbeards that still live with their parents, and nerdy high school kids that don't have any friends. It really isn't the place for highly-trained assassins to be hanging out in their spare time. Even if it was, something far worse than a troll being mean to you probably would have set you off a long time ago. What about the slew of gore and child pornography that gets posted here on a regular basis? Isn't that something that deserves a person being hunted down and made to regret their actions? Yeah, you're just not the reddit type. Sure, there's a wide variety of people that browse here, but you're far from the core demographic if you are who you say you are (which isn't the case). Even if it were true that you're an incredibly talented soldier, I think all the military discipline would prevent you from getting mad enough to murder some random idiot on the internet. I also doubt that even the best SEALs have a 'secret network of spies across the USA'. Why would all of the most expanisive Big Brother network in the world be willing to help a troubled PTSD-sufferer hunt down some random kid on the internet? That doesn't even make sense. If you're gonna try to scare somebody make it more believable than 'IM A SUPER SOLDIER HURR DURR'. You might frighten a thirteen year old who doesn't know any better, but to must of us you just look like a kid with an anger problem and a very active imagination. Hopefully things will be easier for you when your puberty's over. Best of luck with that... kiddo", "That's the joke.", "That's hyperpop, and it's the future", "I remember not understanding the hate this song got. Was it always this horrible ?!", "Just disliked it", "Without the /s its hard to know that", "Given the fact that this teenage girl was brigaded, sent death threats and harassed online for years. It seems like a fairly good argument for removing dislikes.", "Ngl, she's kinda fucking really hot", "What have you done youtube.", "The kids who were too young to understand her video was a joke are in college or adulting now", "Then comes Wednesday", "I expected the Rick Roll and was disappointed. That being said, I can't imagine the nonsense she's gone through because of this song. I thank god facebook wasn't around when I was her age.", "Thanks for introducing me to this. Got any more artists?", "She should have led with this one lol", "Lol no. There are levels of luxury and dental care is not the same", "Because everyone sane closes it before even thinking about clicking anything else.", "Can't listen to this on Monday.", "There's a publicly accessible fb api that allows you to auto post? I could Google the docs? How do you set that up (not the code), What repositories/programs (git?)", "My band covered this song when it went viral. Still not sure what possessed us to do so. But we did. Pretty sure our bassist literaly said “This song is awful. Lets cover it.” Link below. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/0h9DcKv18fg", "I always thought this song was alright for what it was. I guess people just love to hate. I know it’s nothing special but it’s memery made it special.", "My Xanga was actually OK. I held these quiz-based raffles for Gmail accounts back when Gmail was on a strict invite-only basis and offered a \\whopping\\ 1 Gig of storage.", "Oh, please share just a little!", "I think Eminem would mount you while you faced him holding your legs above your head and would establish dominance while looking you dead in the eye without blinking while you shamefully looked away.\n\nOccasionally he would give you a backhand and would berate you while going about his business not even enjoying it.", "Yes, that's the point, it's about as simple and formulaic as you can get. The kind of people who create it don't put any thought into it.", "Strait banger", "It has 4 million dislikes don't know why you can't see them... no problem here", "Yes, obviously on such a superficial level. I'm talking about the idea that there is any kind of advanced music theory that goes into it.", "its about fucking Friday! No lie, my job actually made this the “Friday” anthem. Every Friday morning we’d get out company email and it always had this video specifically on Friday listed first with some cheesy tagline..", "It’s 2021, and we are still shitting on Rebecca black.", "That was so stupid, I feel bad that I found the whole thing very entertaining lol", "Nah I don't hate her, I strongly dislike the lyrically abysmal synthesized tripe her rich family has produced though, I genuinely hope she took singing lessons and got better after this. Mobey isn't a substitute for talent, and its a slap in the face to talented persons lacking the money for mastering of tracks, not really her fault as she's just a kid but still...", "Honestly, I'll describe hyperpop as the child of Nightcore but with more boops and beeps.", "This was my college dorms theme song we would sing every thirsty Thursday into Friday at midnight.", "[For you then](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cGsjIJ3tJk)", "It wasn't any different", "Jesus cried rivers of blood when this song was released.", "Just so we're on the same page, her parents paid for everything. The video, the studio, the backup music, everything. There were no accomplishments made. Nobody scouted her for making good music or anything.", "Legit her music is amazing.", "But it will be Friday", "We need to check our status of culpability even more so than we need to point our fingers.", "I meant what I said not what you assumed. What do likes mean if you don't know the opposing score? I made it simple for you.", "4,000,001", "And then... what day again?", "Or the song is bad, so bad and annoying.", "Cool", "certainly :)\n\n[cake pop](https://youtu.be/edp0LIUcq28)\n\n[charli](https://youtu.be/WAo8X-rIt8k) \n\n[glaive](https://youtu.be/gd-7Ye_vX1k) \n\n[nobodys crush](https://youtu.be/xoTCxZqbYzs)\n\n[brakence](https://youtu.be/LYN-wYlG5-A)\n\n[sophie](https://youtu.be/4cPJSCBLpeQ)\n\n[aldn](https://youtu.be/p3TwvaMpknU) \n\n[fromtheheart](https://youtu.be/mofdrZIOD-Q)\n\n[arca](https://youtu.be/AZKPd3k6O6A)\n\n[friend, for today](https://youtu.be/oanLXWajIyw)\n\n[ericdoa](https://youtu.be/xyiNa4m1g98)\n\n[laura les](https://youtu.be/879ysA4h9r4)", "Who the fuck writes this crap?", "This is clearly parody of such shit \"songs\" as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U\n\nI'd rather listen to Rebecca.", "She had a fun time making the video with her friends. That's an accomplishment in the eyes of the kind of people to send death threats to a 13 year old for making an irreverent music video.", "Y'all seen her lately? Rebecca Black grew up fucking fine. Seriously", "Wasn't it conservatives that mobbed the Capitol because they didn't like the election results?\n\nYes, it was.", "I heard she's still trying to make fetch happen", "She's my Twitter crush she's gorgeous", "If you like this, you might like Glades and San Holo. Chill vibes..", "So is whatever music you listen to who cares?", "Yeah, I'm 34... and I'm digging this :O.", "That song isn’t very good, but her current tracks slap!", "Your version is at least five times less likely to cause substantial blood loss through ones ears. That number is even a better 8.6 times less likely for those suffering from being born with major hearing complications.", "[100 gecs](https://youtu.be/9YO5ruvFSCU)", "Thank you for your service, especially for spreading the good news of Charli", " Not any more.", "Her cover of [cheap thrills](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ) was decent too.", "You, since you are puzzled about why others dislike the video.", "It's Friday, Friday, gotta get down on Friday!", "I dont think she got death treats because of an arbitrary number of dislikes. Shirty people will do that no matter what.", "Ada’s still got it.", "Honestly can’t believe that I just watched that entire video…", "That's a good one. I'm a fan of the Cynical Mass remix https://youtu.be/Ti1D9t8n0qA", "Never said that", "“Do the Helen Keller and talk with your hips”", "Oh man, I recently perused some really old emails on my oldest email address. Ended up finding out that my LiveJournal circa 2003-2006 still exists, complete with all the posts, pictures, and whatnot. Yikes. I was a depressed scene kid determined to impress a crush with my emoness, so you can imagine the cringe lol", "Richard cheese version is great… https://youtu.be/LDgYeWoa0Dg", "Sometimes it’s fun just to have goofy songs to sing for different days of the week. Manic Monday and whatnot", "I love Friday. When it’s my Friday I jam that shit to annoy people", "Isn't it great that you can now watch that and decide for yourself as to whether you like it or not?", "Richard cheese version is great… https://youtu.be/LDgYeWoa0Dg", "Just checked. Confirmed smoke show", "Fun fact she’s hot as balls now.", "Youuuu knoww what it is! Fun fun fun think about fun.", "I did not have passionate defence of Patrice Wilson on my reddit bingo card today", "You are doing Sophie’s work in this thread my friend", "She still sucks", "As someone who's been making music for a decent while now, I wont deny that Melodyne/Autotune are considerably better than they were 10 years ago, but a skilled user with the incentive to put out a quality product could have 100% done just that even with basic production tools imo. The guys behind friday either had no reason to make something actually good, and/or they didnt have the experience required to do so.", "Fuck me you must be a real piece of work in real life. You judge a 14 yo while what you are saying is worst than anything she ever did. \n\nShe sang a song at 14 while you are showing the world you are an asshole. \n\nYou deserve ten times what she endures and none of the money", "The real winners of the dislike counter leaving. I mean seriously what benefit is it to watch 3 mins of an advice video to just realise it wasn't what it said and no dislikes ratio to warn you. It's just so that they can feed more reactive shit to you. So they get more clicks and you can't see how many dislikes it has but it has a million likes it must be goo......... fucking fox news.", "GET EM! \n\nThey’re mad cause their teams didn’t cheat as well as the Astros did lmao", "2 plus 2 is 4, minus 1 that's 3\n\nQuik maths", "The comments on YouTube are funny though 😂", "Still sucks", "A girl from my highschool made a video just like this one. Everybody has the same reaction to hers as RB's did. I'll find it. It's on YouTube", "I feel like I really missed something. I have no idea who this chick is, what time she is from, or what happened to her.", "I hope it was the only song on the playlist. Repeated as necessary.", "She didn't deserve it but maybe her parents could have done more to protect her from it. Actions have consequences and her parents 4k dollar actions made her the most ridiculed teen on the planet. You aren't gonna \"fix\" cyber bullying by saying don't do it, but maybe you can help counter it by saying not to put footage of yourself or family doing dumb shit on the internet. If you want to blame someone, blame her dipshit dad and mom", "<3 can't believe it's almost been a year, we were so lucky", "Thank you for changing my mind about removing the dislike button. WTF", "o7", "if you don't like that you're lame", "My husband legit posts this every Friday manually on Facebook, and has done it since 2011. Every. Single. Friday. He dedicates it to various birthdays and events. Of the over 500 fridays there have been, he has missed one Friday ever and still laments it to this day.", "This song IS a banger", "At least Rick Astley is a damn good singer lol", "That was worse than the original.", "MY HAND IS A DOLPHIN", "This is the first time I've listened to it.\n\nIt's not nearly as bad as I expected.\n\nEarly Miley Cyrus was little better.\n\nMind you, I won't be listening to it again.", ">The kind of people who create it don't put any thought into it.\n\nYou can't be serious.", "Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.", "I put my dislike ... Just for the lul", "I would gladly have taken the whole worlds bullying for a few months in exchange for becoming fucking rich...", "Holy shit yes. The two vocalists are so perfect", "...retarded system.", "Wow you just sent me down a Dorian Electra rabbit hole for a couple hours. I’m not even mad tbh.", "That made me want to kill myself", "it's a trip for sure!!", "I've never realised how stupid the lyrics are, it's like a kid's show \"tomorow is saturday, and sunday comes afterward\" lol", "You know what it is? Yeah, me too. I feel like it deserves this. Also, have you heard her recently? SHE WAS A TEENAGER, WTF DUDE. I normally like these but she got fucking ruined by the internet for like a decade because 4chan gave a shit. You're bullying a teenager literally a decade after the fact.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThe internet was a mistake.", "I thought everybody hated it but I see it was one really long joke and everybody hopped back on the video to remove their dislike. Bout time.", "That's basically what I'm saying.", "Willow Smith just released a pop punk album earlier this year! With features from Travis Barker and Avril Lavigne!", "Every once and a while there is a song that transcends everyone’s various tastes. I remember when “Tubthumper” came out… WHFS played it four times in a row for the “Top Four Requested Songs of the Day”\n\n…. Lol …", "I think it was just a specific pigeon. It would visit him and he discribed it as his soul mate.", "I fucking hate this song till this day. I was so annoying by this back in high school", "A good explanation for hyper pop I’ve heard is that it is the idea of taking pop to its natural extreme", "Fuck youtube", "It's a reference to the person not the car. The car is named after the person.", "What. In. The. Fuck.", "Yeah, I guess it does seem like most people don't care strongly enough about YouTube videos to vote.", "Should've waited until Friday.", "Then that’s not “bullied” out of school. It’s just she turned out to be stupid and can’t learn.", "Lol!! 😆😆😆", "This is not the original. This version has been remixed and redubbed", "Future. Why does this video have so many likes? Answer reposts from reddit", "I quote this damn song so much and no one gets\nIt.", "Oh OP if only you knew how many [dislikes this had](https://youtu.be/Q66Ct5BIVPU)", "I did shit like this with buddy pounces on AIM when I was in college. I chose a friend (acquaintance?) and just instantly sent them a message every time they signed on or came back from away so they'd think I was obsessively stalking them.", "Will you just be quite", "Did you mean: Eurodance?", "bullying sucks, but when you see that over 3 million people actively chose to tell you they disliked your thing you worked really hard on as a kid....yeah I'm going to say that's a pretty unique experience propagated by a new tech.", "To be fair she was just 14 when she recorded this song and even she didnt write it. I read that her parents paid a studio to make this song so from then I thought not fair to hate her just because of a horrible song.Good to hear she's doing great now", "This makes me want to commit suicide.", "I never felt as bad for her as for her friends that became backup dancers", "Gotta have my bowl gotta have cereal", "How can vets make that much money?!! In old days, when a pet gets sick, it will end up on the dinner table.", "I like it.", "Is there a service you can pay that will update the code? I gues you can have a lawyer to do it for you. Like a message from doc brown.", "Stepmother... wicked... go on.", "It was a looping playlist but you can expect lot of meme songs around in 2010~2013", "My hand is a dolphin!", "aaaaah!!!\n\nmy ears!!!\\~!", "I literally thought this was a parody of some pop song I never heard...I was thinking, she the next Weird Al", "I'm sure you were", "Whatever happened to that girl? Lol", "for what it's worth almost all of your favorite artists and songs use autotune/melodyne to varying extents, often it's hardly noticeable", "We played this song at a lot of frat parties when it came out haha", "You are correct, OP. This is the greatest song in all of history.", "Probably a woman if they're getting fingerblasted", "Based", "just get a return dislike extension and you will see dislike count, i'm counting onya", "Question,\nI know this song has shit ton of dislikes, but I dont know reason for that, I mean yea song is stupid but that can't be the only reason", "draws sword “MY FAIR MAIDEN I SHALL DEFEND THINE HONOR FROM YON KNAVES UPON THIS INTERNET!” drops fedora", "I believe you are very wrong. And I noticed your very recent account and highly controversial statements. I think calling people Uncle Tom's is horrible and you should be booted from the site.", "No seatbelts.", "No one going to mention how bad that \"rap\" verse was?", "I remember this song came out about the same time as “Tonight’s going to be a good night” by the Black eyed peas. Friday was mocked (partially) for Rebecca Black singing the days of the week. Just like the Black eyed peas did in their song. They weren’t mocked. Difference was one was sung by a 13 year old and the other was sung by a world famous band.", "I love this song!", "I'd put my daughter up for adoption if I caught her listening to this.", "I love Dorian Electra, the Flamboyant video is a work of art. I'm finding their new stuff not quite as accessible but it's growing on me. Love how it continues in the drag king-esque theme of both parodying and glorifying aspects of cishet male culture.", "Pro Tip: Make the comment “dislike” and people can upvote that.", "Best song ever!!!", "I prefer this version \n\n[FRIDAY](https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y)", "She's also not 14 anymore, and is pretty hot.", "lmao its fuckin Big Freedia wtf", "I'M ON VACATION ALL WEEEEEK", "the music is dated, so whenever urges to hear this song, i go dj ravine version", "I like dis", "Yeah most of the dudes who were making fun of her are now thirsting over her, and most are creeps too.", "Tbh its not actually that bad of a song but good bit op", "They removed dislikes just in time for Youtube Rewind", "Western civilization is officially dead.", "But... She was a fellow kid. She was 14.", "God damit, you got me.", "It’s become so stretched that the term doesn’t mean anything any more. I hope that they’d have the decency to at least say upper middle class.", "The question isn't which seat should she take, but which seat can she take. A profound and meaningful difference.", "I kinda feel for her from being cyber bullied to getting unsolicited attention from men some of whom revelled in bullying her, it is quite sickening actually.", "Now that's in my YouTube history. \n\nSweet.", "This is what plays in hell 24/7.", "Well that was terrible", "4 million dislikes", "That song changed the world", "didn't the_donald only allow you to upvote... weird right?", "The internet has ascended to a whole new level. Reading the replies under this comment is like if the people back in 2011 who just watched the old friday got teleported to now and having there minds melt with this new version.\n\nLike if you gave a pilgrim a sour patch kid.\n\nEdit: This is way better than the original i will fight anyone who disagree", "Been obbssesed with a dead dude? Idk kinda creepy tbh", "She actually learned to sing in the interim!", "That, Russian Unicorn, and Kicked Your Monkey are absolute bangers. Not the only ones, but three of them.", "It’s not", "It fucks me up to think this song is 10 years old. Holy hell.", "I still can see my old dislike through Vanced - didnt see that comming", "I thought YouTube removed the dislike count", "Didnt i see this women in a death battle somewhere?", "Okay, this song is rubbish, but the singer once came to the gs my wife used to work at and she was super nice, especially to the special needs kids. Say what you want, but she gets a pass in my book.", "It's kinda sad how much hate it got. It was meant to be a fun thing filming a random music video", "No one is gonna see this but I feel like OP just proved YouTubes point. Friday was a cultural phenomenon. The fact that people disliked it isn't relevant really.", "Omfg lmao...", "Switch to Odysee instead. Much better platform", "This song started a trend in the early 2010's of seemingly intentionally bad songs trying to outdo each other. Like that one girl from Teen Mon released a truly unbearably awful song that makes Friday seem like Bohemian Rhapsody in comparison. And also there was this girl who released Mass Text, a godawful song, but the shocker is the girl actually can sing and she might have just been trolling us for attention.", "okay , NOW i know you were there at the peak of wild west OG internet days for the millennials. Xanga was something I had , never had myspace, skipped to facebook. Days of html \"hacks\", neopets, flash games, 4chan, and free unlimited AOL with CDs", "Obligatory but it’s one of the worst songs I’ve ever heard in my fucking life. This shit is straight trash", "This is what I think of every time. It's too good.", "Yeah. And remember the constantly increasing Gmail size was displayed. Still use mine.", "Aww is a sad baby sad that he can no longer rage at people who are not cis white men saying that a video game might not be the second coming of Jesus? You poor dear.", "Nowadays She looks like an amateur Femdom or something", "I primarily listen to metal/hardcore/\"angry\" music but Worth it for the Feeling is unironically one of my favorite songs of the year.", "Lol John legend sucks", "Guys only want one thing and it's fucking disgusting.", "Slaps. Major glow up on her vocals!", "I…I like it.", "2011 was such a different vibe.", "Yup. I was just out of college when Facebook came out; I can only imagine the shit most teenage girls go through now. Documented and saved for all eternity. I did some really stupid shit during those years, I can't imagine having it broadcasted to the entire world", "You almost got me. I’ve somehow managed to never hear this song but almost hit play.", "Damn this was 10 years ago... I still remember hearing about this new hit song called Friday blowing up the airwaves", "It’s Saturday good.", "Didn't she have to drop out of school for all the bullying? Or was that star wars kid?", "Damn dude,how willI be able to form my own opinions now", "She’s so hot now tho", "This song reminds me of the [Bed Intruder](https://youtu.be/hMtZfW2z9dw)song. Maybe it’s the robotic auto tune sound.", "I always thought I'd be the cool millennial dad that's into the new stuff.... Nah. Nevermind.", "Oh god… my emo existentialism phase. Lol I wonder if it’s cached by the wayback machine. Wish I could remember the xanga url format because I do remember my user name", "Yeah I can’t think of a single pop artist who put thought into their music. The Beatles? Michael Jackson? No way", "This is dope af though", "That sort of is the point with hyperpop. It's intentionally totally over the top,", "This song is terrible but it brings back so much nostalgia.", "I don't understand why youtube channels aren't allowed the freedom to show/hide dislikes as they see fit. It's really strange to force it upon every channel.", "r/BoneAppleTea", "> to-day is fri-day and Saturday comes after thaaaatttt...\n\nlmao shut up dude - this song was fucking trash and deserved to be shit on.\n\n&nbsp;\n\nstop white nighting for some child you loser and just learn to laugh.\n\n>\"b.. but .. but think of their feelingsss\" \n\neuuughhhh so gross. develop a sense of self so you can laugh at things without being so butthurt.", "I think that was a compliment? Haha.", "Don’t you dare make me understand this.", "A really similar thing happened with Joe Pantoliano, the guy who played Ralph in The Sopranos. After that absolutely brutal scene where his character beat his pregnant girlfriend to death, he started getting hit on by a bunch of women IRL who were turned on by it. https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/6qhqnp/til_that_after_the_sopranos_episode_in_which/\n\nPeople are fucking weird.", "They don’t look old enough to drive", "I doubt we're coming back from this.", "I was thinking the same exact thing, and was scrolling down to see if anyone else thought there was a resemblance!", "Woof.", "There we go that seems like a much more nuanced take, her parents are definitely mostly at fault for enabling this, they’re supposed to look out for her and they didn’t .\n\nThat being said this isn’t the craziest shit rich parents do for their kids, it’s just dumb luck that this was the perfect shit storm", "Mouth foaming manchildren", "Wait, did Brock Baker say \"fried egg\" in his version and all these years, I never realized?", "Nice! Been working on my old man tree. Those Lennon glasses are dope.", "I don’t even have to play the video to know what this is.", "She and Rick Astley should get married.", "she looks very different compared to her teenage years", "This has to be a joke.", "I hate YouTube now after that move.", "Don't forget to finish up with Jamnut, or the whole ensemble will just fall apart.", "lol you are a sad life", "its shit dude, whole song is noise pollution", "Nice gag since the dislike button is turned the hell off", "Don't forget \n\nabcdefg:\nhttps://youtu.be/rv7htnDEbog\n\nand It's Thanksgiving:\nhttps://youtu.be/ZSBq8geuJk0", "I have just the one but it goes away when I stand up", "This song makes me smile still. She’s actually a pretty dope person.", "Is this the “Friday” song girl?", "That's like 95% autotune.", "Yah the guy linked her insta photo. 6/10.", "I will never feel bad for using the dislike button.", "So you have a few choices. You could sit in the front seat, or chill in the back seat. Which seat will you take?", "I mean.. you pay 80k USD for your daughter to pursue her dreams I wouldn't call that Fischer-price music producer... Its just ignorance and love on her parents part. Marketing in the U.S is wild.", "I never realized how much this change would fuck me. I use YouTube too much for education and tutorials and the dislike bar is the only indicator of a bad tutorial. If I don't know what I'm doing, how the fuck am I suppose to know if what I'm watching is telling me the correct information?", "this dumb song teach you to look forward to the weekend? the brain fucking washing by her puppeteers... smh", "Gotta make it to the BUSSS STOP!", "Like watching a jonah hill movie", "This is the first time I’ve actually heard this song. It’s worse than I thought", "Oh no…autotune..! \nMake it sto o o o o o p p p p", "Ok I'm a 37 year old guy, I knew of this song but have never actually listened to it....until now. I am absolutely baffled how the hell that got released, even with autotune she sounds terrible, the song itself is absolute trash, and typically with this kind of teen pop crap the person singing is usually chosen for their looks which is obviously not the case here. How did this song get released? Theirs zero in this that's good or even not bad.", "Yesterday was Sunday", "> The zeitgeist seemed to be something like “if they are rich and successful, they are fair game”.\n\ndo you think subs like cringetopia and iamverybadass and others are basically cyber-bullying subs? Subs where people post everyday peoples tweets etc so reddit can make fun of them? \n\neven without thrir personal details posted, Im sure it makes it back to them.", "Friday have fun", "well she isn't stunning or anything but above average i guess", "Very sad, i'm the only one who sees how trash this is.", "Everyone should look up the guy who produced the video. Do it.", "If it got remade without so much auto tune, and maybe updated some lyrics, wouldn’t be so bad. She’s cute, was an innocent song. Internet is just ruthless. Song was innocent, not good.", "I would think. That would make you hate her more.", "God dammit. Now this girl is lurking on Reddit to get more plays. Nice move", "What was that horses name that goes with that one riddle?", "youtube is still stupid as fuck for removing the ability to let the viewers see the dislikes\n\nbut hey, no dislikes allowed, no negativity on youtube, you must like everything\n\nalso now the comment section will just be the new dislike section anyway\n\nwhat’s next, removing the comment section youtube?", "She didn’t write the song.", "Technically it is a fantasy that will 100% eventually come true for all who fantasize about it since nobody lives forever...", "The internet was a real dick to her, hating and mocking a literal child for making a music video.", "She came back on a show and actually improved her singing a lot", "That’s lesbian hyperpop.", "I'm sorry but 2:43, tik tok, Rebecca Black with ties to the Chinese confirmed?", "Your mind is protecting you from something mortal men weren’t meant to endure.", "Are we pretending this wasn't a banger?", "Gotta agree with you. They do not remove the dislike ratio for YouTuber so they actually still see this shit. So it is NOT HELPING anyone. Beside that, the chance of seeing of what they doing is correct or not is gone. Sonic was save by dislike for fck sake. And now instead just dislike they gonna actively saying in the comments like you said. Whoever support this idiot stuff is just braindead like those idiot on YouTube creative room.", "Lol still a banger", "https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y", "I wanted to cover myself in gasoline 15 seconds in and light a match in protest.", "I’m gonna go against some auto tune here.\n\nI highly prefer raw vocals compared to auto tune unless the auto tune is used heavily in a style. look at daft punk their music was built on thing like auto tune.\n\nBut if you use auto tune because your vocals are crap but you still want to make songs by using it to “correct” yourself instead of using it as a style then it’s not good.\n\nI know auto tune has been widely used for decades but it doesn’t give songs that same mechanical sounds as a lot of “artists” who try and use it to cover up their lackluster vocals.", "It is a cute song by a teen… period", "Wtf is child doing making a music video and then posting it on a no filtered service? What did you expect? Milk and cookies? \n\nThe problem isn't the internet the problem is the service used.", "Oh it's a banger fs makes you want to bang your ear drums out", "Its already splitting out for video, Rumble just bought Locals and Donnies social media. There is effectively a very large split in video and social media from left and right. Just gotta say good job left wing nutters finding creative ways to completely split news. Its going to get only worse from this from a nationwide divorce perspective. IMHO the Rumble deal all but guarantees it in less than a decade.", "I legitimately kind of liked it", "Thank you. An indictment on modern popular culture. Give me a break.", "Is it weird that I'm still seeing dislikes? \nHer video is at 4 mill.", "Was that a Sebring.", "It's 7.59 am in Italy, and this is pure pain for my ears", "Goat song", "Her songs since are some of my favorites. She did a [remix of Friday](https://youtu.be/iCFOcqsnc9Y) recently and it's hilarious", "Maybe not rely on a service that has no requirements on the materials presented for tutorials.\n\nThere are a lot websites that for a small fee let you do, precisely this, and there is at least some qualifications required.", "Ima be real honest, that Dorian Electra one was cool. I could do without the music video though.", "This is terrible", "From my side comment to [assume.](https://oursafetysecurity.com/) I have to assume.", "YouTube really destroyed the history of the world", "Pigeons finds mates for life I think! So Tesla was obviously half pigeon!", "It's Reddit. We pretend popular opinions are /r/UnpopularOpinions", "Kids can be bullies and bullied! So maybe from what you saw she was being a pretentious bully, but at the same time other people were also bullying her.", "At the risk of not making sense: You 1000% cannot call this bad in a time when the world has come to look like a parody of itself. It makes for better satire than the news.", "I'm fucking dying", "My reaction can be taken at face value. I don't think the melodies i make in my head are very good, and no one i know seems impressed with the silly songs i come up with other than making them chuckle. And these things are on par with what was in the video as far as quality and creativity.\n\nMy reaction comes from thinking im in the wrong line of work after seeing that one song has a million plus views.", "Is the the 1.3 million likes, from other teenage girls and pedophiles?", "I like it", "This is scary bad", "This Reddit post has 82k likes and no dislikes. This song must be a banger.", "You should listen to ICP - Miracles on YouTube too, this one too has a lot of likes", "I am in awe of your eloquent insult. I thank you for summarizing these horrors so I do not need to take in their full.", "Holy shit", "Joe Kelly to to the electric chair.", "1 now", "It has more dislikes than likes. Time well spent though 🙄", "Thx for the introduction", "I prefer Brock’s dub tbh", "Yeah having millionaire parents tends to help getting your career \"turned around\".", "The world could be such a better place without this song.", "Baby by justin beiber is an even better example hahah", "I was sitting there watching that video for a good solid minute or two. I kept thinking it can't be this bad, but it was. Why did I listen to that for two minutes?", "I keep saying this, but that's exactly why they removed the dislikes. \n\n\nBecause while Friday was 'Disliked' it was extremely popular for like years. \n\n\nBut it was a big meme to dislike it. \n\n\nThe fact that kept happening made the statistic useless, the more disliked a video is, the more popular it is, so the algorithms learn that dislikes are Good.", "Time for monobattles!", "Damn, that bangs. Their live shows must be something.", "Vet's aren't middle class the fuck are you talking about. \n\nThe median income for a vet is nearly 120k, how is that \"middle class\" to you? \n\n240k a year income isn't \"just enough to have a nice life\" thats \"we're millionaires lol\".\n\nYou don't need to try so hard to defend her, shes a spoiled rich kid who hasn't had to work or even try, mommy and daddy just threw money at her online shit til it stuck.", "Parents are millionaires, she literally did nothing to deserve praise lol.", ">There's a better Friday song by the cure.\n\nOr this [classic](https://youtu.be/pMYWC0tMZsk) from my yoof", "I forgot how bad it actually was.", "Being born rich do have its perks. Like neverhaving to actually try like Rebecca here.", "Wtf did I just watch \n\nWhat happened to the innocent Rebecca black I knew in the og Friday lmao", "😣", "That's stupid. You either a bully or you aren't", "Amazing what practice, training, and not layering 1000 times will create", "When I was a cook, this was a weekly-sung anthem.", "I was really hoping this was a rick roll.", "She looks a lot like Phoebe Kates.", "fr-eye-day fr-eye-day", "Wat", "Pounds of make up, instagram filters, and creative camera angles. I garauntee shes very average at best in person.", "Oh God.", "Omg I totally forgot about this!", "This song killed MySpace", "Imagine being the parents of that child who placed her in that world.", "[Try this instead ](https://youtu.be/CfHNZoXLfdo)", "the fucking hell did i just listen to? is this really the shit they are putting out now?", "She actually turned out quite alright even after living through this….", "> Pounds of make up, instagram filters, and creative camera angles\n\nThat's literally every single women on social media apps though", "The problem is that behind each child star there is a set of asshat adults trying to use that star to manipulate other kids to make themselves money.", "She has a tik tok account and seems pretty normal and a decent sense of humor", "My goodness, hadn't heard of her in a decade and I found a purplesneakers article and hasn't she developed into the sparkly jug bubbly tiddyfest.", "we're living in the bad timeline", "Sounds like Kidz Bop", "She never said die man. She kept working for her dream and is quite good now. I wish I had that kind of drive and inspiration.", "Hmm, my browser add on says its got 4 million dislikes, :-)", "Digging Edge Lord with Rebecca Black.", "Plus who the fuck watches government videos on YouTube?", "I can hear this without playing it.", "This song is amazing. Just don't listen to her remake", "This just made me look forward to the weekend, look at the positive side", "This actually might be a masterpiece.", "Hot take: I unironically like this song", "People who want to keep up on what the government is doing?", "Genuinely worse. Impressive", "They just dropped a C tier em sequel to WANT", "I once gave a 40 minute lecture on this video and song. There are many, many bizarre aspects to the lyrics and video. But we were able to crack one of the bigger mysteries: why is she so concerned about sitting in the front or back seat of a car? \n\nThe answer is that she's not. She's actually trying to decide about sitting in the front or back of a school bus, which does take some more consideration. Almost certainly what happened is that the lyrics were written with a bus in mind, but when it came time to shoot the video it was just cheaper and easier to use a car they had on hand. This also addresses the mystery of why Rebecca went to a bus stop to meet her friends in a car.\n\n\"Gotta get down to the bus stop / gotta catch my bus/ I see my friends / sittin in the front seat / kickin in the back seat / gotta make my mind up, which seat can i take?\"\n\nUse this information wisely.", "I keep hitting dislike but my votes doesn't seem to get registered!!??!? Has everyone else tried doing this???", "Tbh people were too mean to her. Song came out when she was a teenager, she just wanted to do something fun.", "I mean sure, but I'd prefer a summary from the hundreds of news channels or the official notification from the government website. Ain't nobody got time for a 2 hour video.", "The internet will not leave what Alphabet did for YouTube..\n\n\nLove it", "She was a 14 year old who recieved leagues of harassment for singing bad. I don't care if her dad was Jeff Bezos, a kid doesn't deserve that.\n\nYeah, she's from a well off family, her parents ponied up 4 grand to get the song made as a birthday present. But you're acting like she's a forced industry plant who's the kid of some label executive with millions to blow, when they literally just bought her an expensive birthday present that ended up getting her launched into infamy.", "Don’t you love how everyone only knows her for this, but no one knows the name of the guys who wrote and produced it. They should’ve been the ones everyone made fun of. \n\nLike come on, her song Saturday even actually sounds like a half decent real song, and she was like 16 when that came out.", "I think production plays a massive part. The \"right sound\" can make or break a song no matter how simple, complex, poppy, or artsy.", "That song is addictive for all the wrong reasons.\n\nIt sounds so bad I can't help but replay it out of pure disbelief that this song is actually something she was proud of.\n\nAnd there were critics that actually rated it high.\n\nBaffled.", "Likes per view should be the new benchmark now", "Don't worry. Tuesday comes next. Then Wednesday, and so on.", "She released an EP this year, it's not bad. I think she's working on an album as well. Her music is not exactly groundbreaking but I can appreciate it for what it is.", "Lmao - I had to watch it of course and cannot unHEAR that\n\nLike some Yanni shit", "FUN FUN FUN FUN", "Seems like she really worked at it. Not sure why you got downvoted. She made one of the most disliked songs on YouTube, didn't give up, and became a good singer. That's not expected out of a 13 year old.", "you're a legend", "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays.", "Shit, imagine being a human on another planet. lit AF.", "What's crazy is that she got way more than her moneys worth for making that vid. It lead her into a Katy Perry music vid. She actually has a music career now. Wild", "we so excited\nwe gonna have a ball today\ntommorrow is saturday\nand sundays come after-waaaards \n\nlyrics is killing it, work of true genius.", "is there an app planned?", "When does the lesbian part kick in", "Oh it was, we have tons of videos of you that we’ve all been enjoying this past decade 😈", "https://youtu.be/mWkB6l0vxU4\n\n“Hyperpop up in my ears!” \n\ngive this an hour of your time. You’ll feel better", "First off, the world isn't black and white and everyone doesn't fit conveniently into a label just because it makes it easier for you.\n\nSecondly, almost all bullies at some point got bullied. Where the hell do you think they learned it from?\n\nI've met plenty of \"nice\" people who would stab or talk behind your back as much as I have met \"assholes\" who are misunderstood.\n\nPeople are complicated. That's why they're called people.", "Most of the videos the White House puts out are like 45min max. Some people prefer to listen straight from the source.", "People are insane. \n\nThere was an article on facebook about the new rule in my country that kids have to wear a mask now from 6 years old. \n\nOne woman just posted that her 6 year old daughter didn't mind, she kept it on at school the entire day and didn't complain.\n\nWell, that's good, right?\n\nOther woman reacts: \"well I guess your daughter is a little sheep.\"\n\nCalling a 6 year old names because she doesn't mind wearing a mask. People are awful.", "What's the old saying 'It's Friday somewhere\"", "Wow, shots fired.", "Honestly surprised no one has linked to the other comedic gold videos produced by the same guy\n\nhttps://youtu.be/wWLhrHVySgA", "I think they removed the dislike because of the ratio of official white house videos being wildly disproportionate, favoring dislikes.", "I absolutely love the cover Jimmy Fallon and Stephen Colbert did and used to listen to it on Friday on a regular occurrence.", "I love hyperpop but not Dorians music.", "Bruh TVO Guap up next y’all heard his new song?", "Let’s be real for a moment. This girl was bullied by the world and most of us just sat back and laughed, while we’re here in 2021 telling people that it’s wrong. Hahaha this suck still sucks and we’re all fucking hypocrites.", "Anything produced by Dylan Brady", "Rebecca Black has really come into her own as an artist these days though. Check out her recent stuff if you havent.", "YT recently made dislikes only visible to the uploader.", "Ah okay, fair enough. I'm not American so I wouldn't know about that.", "Why the fuck would that video be geo-blocked.", "I’ve still managed to never have heard this song.", "They removed dislikes from YouTube so you wouldn't know how much people hate biden", "That first link sounds like an alternate universe where MSI got big in 2009, found weed and chilled out around 2012, then dropped this in 2014 hoping we'd give it the Viva la Vida treatment.", "This is some existential brutality mydude", "I had no idea age was still doing music till I heard her on a bbno$ song. She sounds fucking great and the video for it is brilliant too", "The best line (if you can control your ear bleeding long enough to get to it): “fun, fun, fun.”", "Definitely how the cycle goes. Gen 1 makes a sound, Gen 2 digs it, Gen 2 evolves the sound for a Gen 3 audience. Repeat ad infinitum.", "There's an addon for Firefox and Chrome to restore dislikes. I'm sure YouTube will try to squash it but it works great for now.\n\n[This is the Firefox version](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-youtube-dislikes/)", "lmao", "This video has 4 Million dislikes. \nThank you Return Youtube Dislike browser extension. ^^^^get ^^^^it", "157,342,460 views. Our new metric, a better one.", "The normalization of idolizing children as stars is the normalization of child abuse. The fact that there's a documentary is a bit on the nose if you think the attention is the problem. Like, the creeps who pick on her or whatever, aren't gonna watch a documentary and go \"oh, I'm a pos; mb.\" Everyone else is just feeding their urge to fetishize the problems of rich people—in this case, the problems of a rich person sold as an underdog.", "awesome. wish she brought back the original convertible 'dancers' for the glow-up", "She can’t sing at all.", "Ifkr. I didn't read reddit comments and I straight up checked out the video. I like a lot of different genres of music and I actually was vibing to this one ;) Didn't like the removal of the dislike button but it makes a bit more sense rn.", "Banger means sausage right? So this song is a sausage?", "Currently the dislikes are still available for everyone through the Youtube API. But YouTube said, that after the 01.01.2022 they will dissable it for everyone and only the creator can see it", "Sounds like how prog was to rock.", "Did you forget the /s? Or are you just retarded?", "Well that sucks. I figured it was just a matter of time but that's unfortunately pretty soon.", "Black Friday is over", "Ugh, why did I click play...", "Sounds like Morrissey lyrics", "Isn't that pretty much the scheme these producer companies do? They release super weird mixtapes with children as long as their parents throw enough money at them. Music videos that aren't great as music but to go viral and make one known.\n\nAnd then it's kinda your choice how to continue. But you definitely have millions of people that know who you are.", "I didn't like it but I didn't want to spoil it's record.", "Music theory exists to describe the music… it’s not a set of rules that music writers must follow", "That's really well put", "\"Tomorrow is Saturday, and Sunday comes afterwooooooords!\"\n\n...So fucking deep. That Rebecca Black was a wise young lady. We so excited, indeed!", "Lmao", "Pretty sure this one occurred a lot later than Friday lol", "Thank you for responding with some common ground. I definitely don't want to be an internet troll or a dick in general. I've spent the last few weeks trying to understand niche communities.i have gay friends and always thought of myself as an ally to lgbqt and blm movements but it upsets me to see gatekeeping of those communities and dismissal of a white cis male like myself. I agreed with jk rowlings take that it allows men to take over the feminist movement and make it their own transgender movement until I saw some transgender responses on it. I still think that it will badly reflect on both movements when someone eventually abuses it but it shouldn't be killed outright nonetheless. Since reading your comment I just watched about 3 hours worth of transgender hyperpop and I feel like I understand the community now more than ever. I still don't really like Rebecca Black or the music she made with Dorian Electra but it led me on a journey that explains what she and others go through. I maintain that cyber bullying isn't the problem but a symptom. The way someone acts in public is not protected and anyone that makes fun or is mean to your public persona is entitled to do so.", "Indeed it was. But not on Mondays", "Also experience and age. IIRC Friday was the start of her career and she was like 13. She's had considerably more time to work on improving her craft since then", "Wow you're right. Worth it for the feeling is fire", "It is likely that every asshole, every criminal in history had a good side. They nearly all had something bad happen to them in the past. They cannot use that as an excuse. You mean we can't call someone a bully just because they were bullied in the past? Also, no. Not every kid who is bullied becomes one themselves. \n\n(also I'm obviously not calling Rebecca black a bully.)", "Wow. This is legitimately a really good song. Good Katy Perry vibes, for sure.", "Not my wildest fantasy.. Although, if afterwards I could co-run a hotel with Satan and make $80.000/year I might be into it.", "What a banger this was to me and my white friends", "I've just got to go and eat my cereal", "It's bad, but I'm sure there's worse that get's air time", "Omnospore and Kontrakt is where the money's at.", "Love myself some nice dithering.", "77k more now.", "You say that like it's so easy.", "memeing, but seems she couldn't resist improving the music and the video anyway. or maybe it was physically impossible.\n\nbut huge props to her considering she got insanely toxic comments and threats for a long time at a very young age.\n\nalso I liked her in Jessica Jones.", "For those interested, there's an Plugin \"Bring Back Youtube Dislikes\"\n\nChrome: [https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)\n\nYou're welcome :)", "Honestly Rebecca Black is one of the few people who deserves to be protected with disabled dislikes. She was just a kid when this song released, and she did not deserve to be on the recieving end of that hate mob. Hey youtube, why is it that when a kid gets dislike bombed, crickets, but when american \"news\" (read propaganda) stations get dislike bombed, suddenly it's time to protect the small creators? If youtube cares about small creators, why did they never care about Rebecca Black?", "Take the number of views and subtract the number of likes, the number you get is the dislikes. \nOr at least thats how im going to start doing it. \n\nIt means videos seem like they get more dislikes than they should but YouTube gives me no other option", "Cause that's your fun day", "Holy shit she's 24 now? How did that happen? Some sort of time vortex, must be", "Man, the dislike count sure was a useful feature for determining what informational videos were legit and which were bullshit. Especially for things like home repair and auto maintenance.\n\nAnyone know exactly what led to them turning off the dislikes? Must have been Trump’s fault, huh?", "Bruh....", "Welp, explains the downvotes. Children love him. Lol", "She's out and proud?", "it got total 4 million dislike. to be exact right now are 4,072,476", "Plus 75000 likes on Reddit, and only 3000 dislikes, so I think that speaks to the greatness of this song./not even remotely sarcastic", "Get the chrome extension to still see dislikes", "Holy shit thank you", "Good one...?", "> Lmao look up any non classic pop song from the 60s that hit top 40\n\nAnd then what? None of those will be quite as bad as \"Friday\", because \"Friday\" is an almost unique combination of commodification, banality, bad quality, and impact. \n\n> Or maybe watch Tomorrow War that was less fun, stupider, and cost $100 million.\n\nThe equivalent of \"Friday\" in film is something like \"The Room\", but worse, because that at least was a passion project for Wiseau. It wasn't Wiseau's parent's paying someone to write, direct, and produce a film for their kid to be deep-faked into and that becoming the unexpected blockbuster of the summer.\n\n> Indictment lmao\n\nI was using hyperbolic language, but I stand by the general claim. \"Friday\" shouldn't ever have existed, and given that it did it should never have gone beyond Black's friend circle; that it became a \"hit\" for a particular understanding of the term is unsettling, like cosmic horror^(ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn).", "I have no idea what the actual fuck is going on.. but it's kinda good? I think? I'm unsure", "Fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun Fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun Fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun Fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun", "You Tube no longer publishes dislikes.\nApparently, this song had 4M.\n\nIt really does suck! (I only got through about 10 sec.)", "I mean posting this here is gonna get it so many more views. I know i decided it was time for a rewatch. Well 1 min. Do you have to finish it to get a view?", "Great explanation.", "This video go so much hate for nothing.", "I gave it a listen cause I haven’t heard this song since it came out years ago in fuckin high school… Think it was 11th grade.\n\nI thought it was gonna just be a hate train and maybe it’s not actually so bad in retrospect.\n\nBut no. It’s just genuinely a shit tier song lmao. Who the hell is the dude that randomly drops in to rap? He doesn’t look/sound familiar and I can’t find anything about his name lmao.", "I can still see them lol :D", "FUNN FUNN FUNN", "What in tarnation...", "I guess I missed the internet that week, because I have never heard this before and I have no idea who this person is.", "Someone finally found the way to bring us all together.", "All these years I have been hearing people make jokes about his song. This is the first time I listened to it. Honestly, I found it an enjoyable song.", "But that's exactly what I'm talking about. People are more focused about her being attention-seeking than her actual message.\n\nPeople don't listen to actual scientists either, so that seems to be the only way to grab attention. \n\nHow about not even focusing on her image, but what her actual message is about? \n\nAnd there are so many attention-seekers in the world anyway, I don't nearly hear as much complaints about the attention-seekers in Youtube / Hollywood, because it's normalized. But when people use sleazy tactics like that on \\actual\\ problems like climate, suddenly it's annoying. \n\nEven if she was a narcissist, she is doing way more than you or me tbh.", "Hey I bought the song. Just good fun.", "Frieeeeeendz", "Idk, that's what I've heard at least. She was 13 nonetheless", "Is it possible those are from other children who similarly lacked someone telling them it was a terrible idea to follow through with their idea.", "That song is cancer.", "If I recall correctly her parents paid some hack producer to try to turn her into a child star. This wasn’t just typical teenage cringe that someone stumbled across.", "It just seems wrong now, but notice you've only highlighted children.\n\nWe do the same with adults who are rich. Except no one cares because fuck them that's why.", "Youtube doing its part to protect creators.", "I'm convinced YouTube is being run by complete idiots. They just ruined their own platform. It's like digging your own grave and then tripping into it and landing on a piece of rebar and dying.", "I feel this song in my bowels…", "bruh why is every line of lyrics in a different language", "Thankfully we can still downvote repost like this one", "Somewhere there's a place in hell where Hitler, Mussolini and other horrible humans are being held, this song is played on repeat.", "It's got loads of dislikes, you just can't see them.", "Didn't Youtube deactivate the visibility of the dislike bar ?", "Gee, don’t you just love that nasal twang and little rich kid entitlement.\n\n…just watched 20 seconds of it. Have they remixed it? Sounds even worse than I remember.\n\nBut seriously, thank god for this song, so i know Sunday is after Saturday, which is after Friday. \nOnly way I can remember that is by singing this in my head! \n\nProps to the master lyricist that worked in the word “afterward” - i reckon he lost a bet.", "[To me, that whole thing is describable with a single image.](https://i.imgur.com/Qj4Vf5A.jpeg)", "I hate the phrase \"wow dude, you're trying way too hard\" because I guess I'll fuck myself for daring to put energy and time into something.\n\nThat said...\n\nFuck me this video is trying too hard. Like that uncle that knows flossing is in fortnite and gets up at a family BBQ after having three middies and does it saying \"hey kids am I doing it now? Hey kids am I- Sharon am I flossing? Hey kids, kids, am I doing it right?\"", "don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you, but it's funny to me how over a decade after the video we're saying \"leave Britney alone\" unironically lol", "I really don't think it was 😭", "I have dislikes. 4m. Maybe refresh?", "Is this your first time hearing of women?", "Not my type", "MY HAND IS A DOLPHIN", "If he's in the us he'd be in the left seat", "My hand is a dolphin.", "I know certain people who began careers as children have had the problem where obsessed fans view them as too innocent and pure and any wrong step they take they instantly get crucified. People expect their idols to be perfect, completely missing the fact that they’re all still humans.", "I was not expecting Dorian Electra to be in it.", "Fun fact: the skyline in the background is Auckland, New Zealand.", "Gleeson actually gave an interview where he said he must’ve gotten lucky and has never met anyone who couldn’t separate the art from the artist. Lena Headey, on the other hand…", "I dont know who she is, but she now has my dislike :)", "[here is the original](https://youtu.be/zzfQwXEqYaI)", "Reminds me of a few Skinny Puppy songs from the early 90s.", "Certified shit hit", "Dislike....", "Very funny mate. Made me laugh", "I still have dislikes, it may be because my account was made before Google bought YouTube but I'm sure I'll loose them soon though.", "0% chance she has implants", "https://youtu.be/YZwPj3fWR9k", "[My hand is a dolphin!](https://youtu.be/zzfQwXEqYaI)\n\nHappy cake! 🎉", "LOL rickrolled with an added kick in the nuts which I deserved for not remembering this video.", "how nice", "Nope, it's the same. I listened to it for the first time in almost 10 years during the first lockdown.", "Where is the pop?", "yes. it is. dare you suggesting anything else!", "That version is worse than the original, which wasn't good to begin with.", "What happened to her was definitely a fluke.\n\nThe company, Ark Music Factory, has made hundreds of similar videos and none of those kids ever got famous. Her video just so happened to strike a nerve with the internet and she got famous from it. You can say that yeah we are still talking about her, but she isn’t famous for being a singer, she’s famous for being the “Friday” girl.", "Каков пиздец", "LOL\n\nDEATH YEEZY ABOUT S MUSIC VIDEO???!! HAHAHAHAHAHA", "I think it's safe to say both sides are perverts. Whether you're the one dressing her up or masturbating to her, you're still sexualizing a child. Aside from those on the wall street bets sub were humans not apes. Saying it's her fault because she was dressed sexy is just perpetuating rape culture. I believe men have more brain power than what's between their legs and women are worth more than how they please the male gaze.", "If I upvote this it’s actually a downvote?", ">After Sunday comes Monday too~\n\nI call it Friday 2", "It’s not Friday yet!", "Lol.", "IDK if it is better though… it has lesser likes than the original!", "1.3 million people who picked a shit song . Amazing 👏", "Holy shit", "Humans are apes. \n\nPretty much all Men are mental “perverts”, at least to some degree, inappropriate thoughts occur, debauched desires are suggested by the brain. \n\nWhat’s matters is actions, what matters is how you respond to those ideas and suggestions. That’s the only pseudo-autonomy we get, that’s all we can be judged on", "Found the man of unculture.", "yeah, and that's why le epic redditeurs got an aneurysm when it was removed", "I noped out 2 seconds into the chorus..surprised i made it that far..too monotonous lacks range among other things", "You reminded me to be glad that geocities was terminated.\n\nPraise be to Yahoo, destroyer of shareholder value and documented evidence of my blunderyears.", "Has nobody noticed the ridiculous amount of clickfarming on YouTube?", "Huh didn't realize you could turn off dislikes on YouTube.", "My God, hard to believe 20 years ago...", "I thought we were over bullying a teenage girl for a song produced by a creepy older man with a history of producing shit songs.\n\nBy the way, Rebecca Black’s new stuff is really good.", "You could make an account just to add family and post this video only.", "I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, you’re right.", "Friday Friday 13 Friday Friday 13", "There really hasn’t been a change, just look at how grown men on Reddit talked about Billie Eilish.", "Their parents?", "People who are new to Reddit, take note. You can randomly capitalise the first two words of your post title and still get over 80,000 upvotes for it. It's not a picky bunch here.", "You triggered my PTSD 😫", "Tbf it is an absolute banger", "Mine was not so solid, but equally flushed.", "I was thinking about the guy who played Anakin in Phantom Menace the other day. Poor bastard didn't deserve the bullying he got.", "I have no idea what this is but my sound will remain muted now.", "I love this.", "100 percent musical turd....", "https://youtu.be/CVvx-01DlSU", "Reddit disablea dislikes\n\nOh look that Company...E...A..must be thr best company in the world and that game Battlefront II must be thr best game ever according to that post! It's even in guiness world record book!!!", "son of rick grimes driving", "It was a cringy bad thing that her daddy bought for her", "At first I thought this said “Ralph in The Simpsons”. He did WHAT…?", "I just want to comment that Garbage is such a great name for a band. \n\nHave you heard this new sound? Yeah, it's Garbage.", "Turns out, i have actually already disliked it", "Depressed that it's only Tuesday now.", "Tomorrow is Tuesday", "These are the songs that people tried to reproduce while bored at home during COVID", "I wish it were Sunday!", "This reminds me of MTVs My Super Sweet 16 when the kids would ask for ridiculous gifts. this girl, in my hypothetical situation of course, asked to make a music video for the song her and her friends wrote.", "Death threats? Wtf?", "She made out like gangbusters. She was even in Katy Perry's video for Last Friday Night.\n\nAnd to be honest, the song is goddamn catchy.", "Death metal version is better.", "Worth noting that the guy saw all the attention he got from Friday and started producing more deliberately bad music to get himself a lot of money, while the abuse mainly fell on the teenage girls doing the singing.", "I shit you not that when I was in highschool this song was popular not because it was a good song but because it was horrible. Then one of the metal heads started playing the version of it that was basically a heavy metal cover and within a week or so people just stopped playing it. He was also the same dude that played lamb of god during “music review” in Bible class. I wonder what happened to that dude.", "Thing is, her parents paid a music video company $4,000 to write the song and produce the music video for Friday. She didn't even write it. Which is kind of worse? Her parents literally tried to buy her a music career and this is what we got.", "[So, what your saying is that Molly Lewis didn't completely get her wish?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avxpn_MsPYs)", "Dang, Big Freedia rap break!? Rebecca Black ain't messing around.", "Her dad still work at ABQ ATC?", "Uh huh.", "I mean, kind of. People still listen to it and talk about it. That’s more than you can say for a lot of songs that just suck and get forgotten about.", "That's why Tom got my #1 friend spot", "Patrice Wilson. H3H3 have made a few videos ripping him to shreds.", "Well they don’t just treat pets they also can treat things like livestock, race horses/dogs, zoo animals, etc. \n\nLivestock and large animals pay more.", "I have no idea. \n\nBut there are plenty of disney pop stars to listen to when trying to figure out appropriate lyrics lol. \n\n\"Hmmm, what would a kid sing about? cereal? which seat to take? pretty sure thats all kids think about\".", "\"Mental laps\" is probably my favorite (written) malapropism. \"Laps of judgment\" is now a close second.", "Rebecca also featured in Katy Perry's video for [Last Friday Night](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlyXNRrsk4A), which is pretty cool, IMO.", "No, it's has currently 3.8 Million Dislikes, don't click this video!", "This song sucks. I was fully expecting a Rick roll", "#Everyone loves Black Friday", "Every video has no dislikes on YouTube now lmao", "> Don’t chastise or condemn the human apes (whose entire primary protocol in life is to stay alive long enough to mate) because their brains and body reacted exactly as it’s been conditioned over the course of millions of years of evolution. \n\n🙄. We have also been conditioned over billions of years to fight and kill others over resource competition. I guess we can't condemn murder or war because its all just evolution that is out of hands.\n\nStop trying to science your way out of this. Our evolution has also conditioned us to ostracize those with anti-social behaviours, like yours. The girl is dressed in regular, non-revealing clothes and dancing in an awkward way while singing generic lyrics about breakfast, days of the week and dancing, and all you saw and heard was sex? Yes you are 100% a creep, a bad person, and the fact that this was upvoted is peak Reddit.", "Unless they create a database and have their own servers, which they claim they are doing.", "This song is such an atrocity to man and nature that they had to create it outside the known space-time continuum.", "Same, brother. Same.", "... calling Susan Wojcicki a diversity hire 'cause YouTube got rid of dislikes... :D", "Corporations: we don't like our videos being disliked. \n\nPeople: we like voting on content.\n\nYoutube: you don't get to vote on videos anymore.", "> Humans are apes.\n\nAnd? Calling us apes as an excuse for any manner of appalling behaviour is just ridiculous. We can use our brain and recognize when our instincts are appropriate or not. And apes and other intelligent species ostracise others for anti-social behaviour, even if that behaviour is the product of evolution.\n\n\n>What’s matters is actions\n\nWhat do you think the original comment was in reference to?\n\n>And men older than 30 could barely contain their inner pervert.\n\nIt wasnt about adult men quietly keeping their thoughts to themselves, else no one would know about it. It was about them commenting and doing creepy shit, ie actions.", "It's God awful. It makes me appreciate the original and that's something I thought I would never say.", "I love censorship! Thank you Daddy!", "What does that have to do with anything? Did the comment you respond to say that only men are creeps or something? Did they edit their comment? What am I missing? \n\nOr did you just decide to whatabout this topic for no reason.", "To me, I just see a teen having fun making a music video. Sure it's not pro quality, not going to compete on the charts. Let the kids have some fun for their birthday or whatever it was.", "Everytime this song is brought up, I have to start singing it in my head. Then I get to the chorus and realize I've actually been singing \"Manic Monday\" by The Bengles, and I actually have no idea how this song actually goes.", "Terrible", "Thanks for the ptsd. (Enter brocks dub)", "1.3 mil likes on 157 mil views. Do your math. That is not a good quote. You dont need dislikes to see that", "According to bird law, the pigeon couldn’t marry Tesla", "Implying that will do anything at all. Use invidious on browser and newpipe on mobile if you're really keen on making a difference.", "And according to human law Tesla couldn't marry the pigeon! What a sad life they had. Meant to be, but could never be.", "I've never seen this but it was exactly what I hoped it would be and more.", "That's awfully fast to chew bubblegum to.", "Wow, the GTA remastered has such a good like to dislike ratio. No way they removed the dislike button for company’s sake and blame it on targeted attacks right? YouTube wouldn’t do that right?", "Yes. The recent advances in perspectives on LGBT people are extremely recent. There’s still a lot of hate", "“Calling us apes?” No, we literally are apes, we are animals that evolved like the other animals. I constantly refer to humans as apes, I feel it’s very important to remember that.", "So, if you get a sense of rage, and some intrusive thought that makes you literally want to kill someone, you aren’t a bad person. What matters is your actions, not thought crimes. \n\nThere seems to be some real confusion here, you’re speaking as though we live in a world where people author their thoughts, where they somehow get in front of reality and create their desires? \n\nThese things mysteriously arise in consciousness. Again, judge people for what they do, for how they act, for their behaviour, not the random crap that pops into their brain from an infinite dark regress that they have zero access to.", "Hahahhaha this is banger for sure lollllll", "Oh, I read the rest of your comment, there is A LOT of confusion here. \n\nWe are talking about Brittany Spears “Baby one more time” song/video, not Rebecca Black.", "You must be super into taking car selfies with your sunglasses on.", "That was so bad I think it gave me cancer", "Man, don't diss MSI like that. That first video is more like the Sonic fanfic characters to MSI's Sonic. \n\nThat video is Danky Kang.", "of course i'm going to fucking click this... it better be a rick roll", "Why can't someone create a website where we put the link of the YouTube video and it can just tell us the number of dislikes. \n\nHow hard could that be!!!!", "Hey it's cool that you're interested in making music! Don't let a whole genre of postmodern nonsense stop you :) fans of hyperpop are there for conceptual ideas. also edgelord is a rough one to start out with haha. \nGood luck with your own work, don't let viewcounts get you down.", "How many dislikes did it have before dislikes taken away? 10 million?", "I dunno, you can finger my assif you want, but be gentle, I don't think it can take a blasting. A pussy can push out a baby though, those things are tough as nails", "Ugh.", "I feel obligated to post to this thread. 😬", "Not true on the dislikes. It has dislikes but they don't show anymore cuz of YouTube.", "Her message is not a new one. Climate change bad. We need to do something. She takes personal umbrage that adults are not doing more for her on this front. Got it. Her existence could be completely erased and I don't think it would have any impact on the rate or ultimate severity of climate change.", "forsenE", "[A very bad lip reading of this video](https://youtu.be/1GaKaGwch0U)", "Thank you. I love all of them!", "Exactly, it's not a new message, you are 100 % correct and I agree with you.\n\nBut again; why is it even a point to care about? She never claimed that she is saying something new.\n\nIs she doing something wrong by saying the obvious?\n\nSeems like you care more about her persona than the message. If her existence really was insignificant, you might as well just ignore her and move on.\n\n>Her existence could be completely erased\n\nNot really. In the end, the climate change was caused by humans. If people actually did something because of her, it is due to her. I cannot objectively measure what her impact is, so I'll refrain from doing that. But it seems like she is putting pressure on some people at least.\n\nReal talk though, if you agree with her message, why are you putting so much energy and time on being offended about the WAY she puts things, and not about the subject itself? At one point it seems more about your personal feelings about a person than the actual problem (being climate change).\n\nWhich brings me back to the first comment: aren't people more annoyed just because she's a little brat acting offended? Why would you even care about that? Is it insecurity?", "Well, it is catchier than Friday. Her lyricism has yet to improve though. Musically it's pretty much exactly what I would expect from an older her.", "They had her on NPR not that long ago.", "> But again, my point is, why is it even a point to care about? You care about her persona more than the message, what is up with that? If her existence is insignificant, you might as well just ignore her.\n\nMost people's existence is insignificant and we don't ignore them. It costs me nothing to react in the moment to some dumb tantrum she's throwing that the media is then throwing in my face.\n\n> Not really. In the end, the climate change was caused by humans. If people actually did something because of her, it is due to her. \n\nThere's no reason I know of to think anyone's done anything at scale because of her. Yeah, she has had some very minor impact like we all have, but she's not changing the course of anything, and her absence would not have a noticeable effect on climate change.\n\n> I really would like to know, if you agree with her message, why are you putting so much energy and time on being offended about her? \n\nI'm not really putting any time/energy into being offended by her. But even that could be avoided if her face wasn't regularly plastered on news sites when I'm trying to keep up with the day's events. I don't go looking for her. I can't tell that I'm about to run into her. I see her face and I click/scroll past and think \"oh, she's annoying\".\n\n> Which brings me back to the first post: aren't people more annoyed just because she's a little brat acting offended? Why do you even care about that? Is it insecurity?\n\nLol no. What's left to care about with her except her brattiness? Once you acknowledge that her message is not remotely new or interesting? You're just left with a brat. Brats are annoying. I'm annoyed by brats. It's that simple. If I could push a button and never hear of her again, I'd gladly do it.", "Why ARE so many redditors borderline suicidal and dark and negative?", "\"lol just don't use it\"\n\nShut the fuck up", "What’s crazy is she made this song as a joke way before it became the most played and hated song in America!", "Looks like hyper-common post modern irony art. I'm not a fair critic here because I have only heard two of her songs. So maybe her other stuff is different. But it seems like that sort of on purpose low effort \"commentary\" on other art forms. Stuff that might take more time or are more difficult to break into. It has its place like anything I suppose :/. And just because it's been a thing since at least the 60s doesn't mean young people should be tired of it or not see some novelty in it.", "That song is a freaking banger.", "If you don't care, then nothing is wrong right?\n\nAll we can do is contribute and hope for the best. I really don't think that canceling her would do the world any good; because before her complaining, no one did anything anyway. Like you said it well already: it is old news, scientists have been saying this for decades. But where is the change?\n\nIf you think you can have a more meaningful impact than her, I gladly welcome you to take your own action, become an activist / politician / whatever and do something too. \n\nIn the meantime, I will NOT complain about people who do things in my stead.", "not in defense of the individual but of working artists that are often demanded to work for exposure, give up their intelectual property rights etc. to keep working.\n\ni don't know much of anything about the man beyond this was his business model as a musician producer film maker and this girl's parents leverage internet outrage against their daughter against him to give up his own rights as the principle IP rights owner and creative in the episode.\n\nwe don't hear this man's name often since. in fact this is the first time i've heard his name since. but the video and song he made is still an iconic internet meme video and all credit and revenues go to a client of his that pressured him to give up the rights to his big hit.\n\nit happens more often in the music industry than this of course and you'll rarely hear the names of the artists who are roped into contracts that saddle them with debt and remove their rights to the songs they've created. which is the primary profit motive of the RIAA in the past 20 or so years.\n\npeople are like \"that poor girl got internet bullied at 14\" and never \"that working musician got swindled out of his rightful compensation as the artist who made the song did the work to produce the song and video and so on while his wealthy client went on to lasting wealth and fame entirely banking on his work\" which is all too common a story with celebrity performing artists and the musicians and other creatives who's work they depend on but are increasingly disrespectful and scamful of.\n\nalso keeping in mind he was himself also internet bullied in the episode, as directed by the black family and their team.", "Those first two seem like entirely different genres. The first one reminds me of early youtube poop, where earfucking was used to comedic effect.", "It's only a damn Tuesday, jesus..", "The born of nostalgia", "She’s fucking fire now.", "That is why we call people, people? It's from Anglo-French \"peple\" right?", "I tried listening, I just can't.", "The simplest ones are lots of swear words, exclamation marks and bad grammar with no cohesive sentece. Everyone gets one of these\n\nThe worst death threads usually say where you live / your school / job, names of your family members and more personal info. When police gets involved it's because of these\n\nNow, the hardest part is not their \"quality\" but getting thousands of these types of comments every day and no positive light.", "It has 4 Million dislikes. \n[https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi) \n\n\nIf you scrolled all the way to here, good job, have a cigar.", "The guy was 27, lol I guess you can call that \"middle aged\" bit I wouldn't. Wasn't a 17 year old kid though as I originally thought", "I LOVE CHINESE FOOD", "We are getting better. Remember the hate towards Justin Bieber too? Now people feel bad for him and the meme isn't funny anymore", "Doesn’t work anymore", "I specifically mentioned there was alternatives. \n\nWhy the fuck would you keep using an ineffective tool. \n\nYou imbecile.", "And this is a response to calling out the men in 1998 openly lusting after a 16 year old in a schoolgirl outfit?", "I fully and completely disagree. We aren't better. We are noticeably worse. 14 years ago wasn't this bad. 10 years ago wasn't this bad.\n\nReddit/FB/Twitter, all of cable news, internet news, all of it is either agree with me or you're a retarded autistic cuck that deserves to die slowly and painfully after everybody you love leaves you. People are so much worse than before and it isn't even remotely improving.", "Yeah, It's the producer / songwriter loo", "literally no one cares about friday, only reason it was brought up now out of the last 5 years is because of the dislike removal. baby and friday are both discussed just as much\n\nyou are delusional if you think people cared this much about this song, let alone to hate it for this long", "118 comments, I'm so happy to see all these people praising her", "OP, I commend your song choice. Point made, loud and clear.", "4m", "> But I don't have a problem with a female lead character\n\nneither did the people that watched alien, kill bill, tomb raider, salt, etc etc...", "A cesspool of anything anti-biden.", "A person giving a flippant response like that probably has a hate-on for contemporary music, but that's no excuse for writing off all pop artists as hacks who put no thought or consideration into their music. \n\nSaying that Taylor Swift or Bruno Mars or Lady Gaga or the King of Pop doesn't put thought into their music is just flat out wrong and insultingly dismissive.", "Yeah, but the hate towards Justin was worse than the hate towards Billie\n\nWe are NOT good, just a bit better", "Sounds like an awesome dude!", "What do you mean? Those videos have thousands of likes and no dislikes!", "No. Imagine you make a dumb YouTube video for your friends and it reaches #1 in tendencies", "Meh, mention a kid getting as much hate as Rebecca or Bieber", "It’s not a competition. There are definitely worse ways that Billie was treated.", "What are you even talking about? Who is excusing anything here?\n\nAnd yes, bullying isn't some unexplainable behavior. It's also complex but many times it starts at home where they have abusive, neglectful or toxic parenting. Its not always the case and there are many factors, but it is often the case", "Reddit format broke your link.", "Works for me. I just tried it on mobile.", "She's not doing anything though, as stated. She's just being annoying. If not for her age and some serendipity, you'd have never heard of her. I am already having approximately the same impact as her by not doing anything. And I'm managing not to annoy anyone while I do it.", "> Spears was sixteen\n\noh, crap.... um, never mind...", "Whatever makes the most money", "This is as far as I made it too.", "So for me, when this came out, the way it was presented on Youtube made it seem like, she is [trying to be] a recording artist, releasing a new Hit Single, completely serious and un-ironic. That provided a context that opened the whole thing up to more more ridicule.\n\nI feel like if she put it on a personal channel and said, \"hey check out this goofy video i made with my friends, lol, we sure had fun fun fun!\" then she would have been spared a lot of grief.\n\nEither way, the vid is cringe-worthy, but no one in it deserves all the problems they might have received as part of it. Sure, the downvote thing is mean but still funny and harmless. But I understand she personally was ridiculed and harrased, and that is not okay.", "I still have the dislike button on my phone app. I gave it a dislike for all of you.", "No Humans are descended from an ape ancestor, but we are not apes. \nhttps://humanorigins.si.edu/education/frequently-asked-questions\nThat's like saying chickens are dinosaurs. They descended from dinosaurs, but are not considered dinosaurs.\n\nAnd sure everyone, not just men, have intrusive inappropriate thoughts some times and it is more so the actions you take. That being said if the action is masturbating, hitting on, cat calling, dating, fucking, etc to/with a young girl when you are significantly older than you're a pervert and pedophile. And it's not that young girls job to make sure you don't do those things. It's on the adult.", "> I am already having approximately the same impact as her by not doing anything\n\nIs that so? [I am not aware of you donating $ 1.14 million to fight coronavirus and $114k to Stop Ecocide Foundation](https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/21/world/greta-thunberg-donate-covid-amazon-trnd/index.html). Or organizing the [largest climate strike ever](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_Strike_for_Climate) across 150 countries, with over 2 million people participating.\n\nI repeat, if you can do better than that, you will gain immense respect from not just from me, but people all over the country.\n\nYou are even allowed to hate her and criticize her ways of doing things, my friend. But only if you put money where your mouth is.", "> I am not aware of you donating $ 1.14 million to fight coronavirus and $114k to Stop Ecocide Foundation.\n\nShe didn't do anything to earn that money. She was awarded it because of her fame - which, as we've gone over, she only has because of her age. And she's donating it to other foundations to do the actual work. So the only thing she deserves credit for is not holding on to the money for herself, which I'm not sure she had much choice in (it would pretty much be the end of the road for her stardom if she just pocketed it after talking such a big game).\n\nIf you'd like to award me $1M for not doing anything, maybe I'd donate some or all of it too.\n\n> Or organizing the largest climate strike ever across 150 countries, with over 2 million people participating.\n\nWhat did that strike accomplish? That's 0.03% of the world's population, an average of 13K per country. A major YouTubers could probably inspire more \"action\".\n\n> I repeat, if you can do better than that, you will gain immense respect from not just from me, but people all over the country.\n\nWhy?\n\nEDIT: Lol, wow. I just read about the Stop Ecocide Foundation. It's a tiny little nonprofit in the Netherlands trying to make \"ecocide\" an international crime. Guaranteed to fail. Not that \"international crimes\" mean very much anyway. So she basically just pissed that money down the drain. Which is not unexpected if you give some dumb teenager a million dollars.", "Crappy fact, because of this song Rebecca Black contemplated suicide at one point. She's good now but heard that on the radio and that sunk me a bit.", "“Tuesday’s Gone by Lynyrd Skynyrd” by Lynyrd Skynyrd is a fine, fine song. \n\n/s", "Ok", "That sounds amazing, no one dislikes it.", "3759 comments bro", "She really wanted to see my downfall.", "Oh hey it's the misogynist following me around to prove he doesn't hate women.", "> only reason it was brought up now out of the last 5 years is because of the dislike removal", "I'm just going to assume that that's vaguely equivalent to the [magnetized needle](https://xkcd.com/378/).", "3764 comments on a video no one cares about or has any opinions on.", "Whether she got the money for free or not, she still did the donation.\n\nNo matter how annoying, despicable or dishonest she is, she still did way more than you ever could; so explaining the \"why\" or \"if I could, I would\" narrative still does not negate the fact she objectively did more than you. That is the truth.\n\n>She was awarded it because of her fame - which, as we've gone over, she only has because of her age.\n\nWhat stopped you from using your age to gain traction to earn money and donate it? You were once her age too. Either you did not come up with it, or you couldn't be bothered to do it.\n\nAll other explanation you write is just pure air, and did nothing to solve climate change at all.\n\nSo no, you did not do anything more than her by complaining about her.", "you just posted like 27 comments being a white knight, not my fault you are the only one with such a skewed view point I can prove wrong", "I disagree.", "Or Manic Monday by The Bangles.", "actually yeah, friday hasnt been relevant in years nor has the internet even talked about it in years. Just because a post reached the front page today and got a lot of comments doesn't mean it's a topic that has been talked about for the past decade. Specially since other videos took over \"most disliked\", much more so after rewind\n\n[most comments are like this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rac81w/13_million_likes_and_no_dislikes_this_song_must/hnhja77/)", "We are “Great Apes”, it’s what we are. \n\nBesides, these are arbitrary categories we made up, something like a “mammal” doesn’t actually even exist outside of our conception, a single Duck Billed Platypus makes a mockery of the entire category.", "We had her on a BuzzFeed show I worked on a bit more than a year ago and she seemed great. Very nice person.", "> Whether she got the money for free or not, she still did the donation. \n\nYes, and that is all she gets credit for. She was a conduit for prize money to flow from one foundation to others. She was chosen because she is famous. She is famous because of her youth.\n\n> No matter how annoying, despicable or dishonest she is, she still did way more than you ever could\n\nBut not by dint of hard work or any talent. Again, all of this is only possible because of her age and pure luck. There are a billion bratty kids out there raging against society. The media happened to pick her. It is only fair to judge her against what others might do if they also randomly have endless media attention bestowed on them. And I don't think she did all that much with it.\n\n> still does not negate the fact she objectively did more than you. \n\nShe did not actually do anything herself. She has not impacted the climate one iota. You're pointing to donations she made for COVID and for defining \"ecocide\" as an international crime (a laughable, impossible goal) alongside a \"school strike\" as evidence that she \"did something\" but without being to point to what those things actually accomplished. \n\nYou seem enamored with numbers. X number of dollars. Y people participating in strikes. That is not a good metric of success or impact. Hell, even going by the numbers, could she really only convince 2M kids worldwide to play hooky from school? I would not have imagined that would be a heavy lift.\n\n> All other explanation you write is just pure air, and did nothing to solve climate change at all. \n\nJust like her.\n\n> So no, you did not do anything more than her by complaining about her.\n\nI did. Please explain in concrete terms what she's done to stop climate change. Not just referencing numbers that ultimately owe to the work of other people and are of dubious impact.", "Frey Dey Bebe", "Wait….are you referring to the teacher who does the guacamole dance? Or is there something I’m missing out on?", "if he's in the left seat, he can't be in the right seat, am i right or am i right? but what if the only left seat is the right seat and he's not in the us? would he be driving then or is the right seat required to be driver in a lefthand-operating vehicle? should we consider the possibility that the car was an import?", "And this?\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/Damnthatsinteresting/comments/rb0d69/french_president_emmanuel_macron_43_is_25_years\n\nYou gonna call her out? Or are you a fucking hypocrite too?", "If you want to go a little deeper into her story:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/HiWXeWQAsUE", "My god, that was wonderful. Thank you!", "Wikipedia does not have an article with this exact name.", "I don't know what to tell you. I just retried mobile and on my desktop in Chrome and they both take me to [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage\\_(band)](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garbage_(band))", "Because the ones that aren't just borderline suicidal... Well, they're not around anymore", "Thank goodness your opinion doesn’t matter", "If you want to insist you aren't a misogynist, you probably shouldn't use their terminology.", "So your proof that people didn't shit on Rebecca Black is a post where someone says \"did we bring this up just to shit on Rebecca Black again\"?\n\nMake it make sense.", "First you say I use too many numbers to quantify what she did then you ask me \"in concrete terms\" what she did. You seriously don't see the irony in this?\n\nI used numbers as it is the only metrics that can objectively show what she has done. If I said something vague like \"she inspired millions of people to do something\", you would have waved it away, I'm sure of it. \n\nDo you seriously think inspiring people does not mean anything? It is all humans have. We literally do things because of how we feel. \n\nEven if she did nothing notable (which I really disagree with), she could have inspired the next generation activists who actually mean something. \n\nI don't get what more \"concrete\" example you want. If politicions decide we should drive green cars by 2030, how do you even prove it's due to mass protests? Do you literally want a person saying \"this law was because of Greta Thunberg\" to say \"hmm seems like she did mean something\".\n\nHonestly, it's really tiring, because I feel like you are being incredibly dishonest with your arguments. It's as if you're just saying things because you do not want to admit anything.\n\nIf collected money, actions, and inspiration doesn't mean anything, YOU tell me what matters at all then. Do you want her to pull out a magic stick and cast a spell that evaporates CO2?", "lmao triggered.", "again, after all of these years, since it was long forgotten, thus \"dig up\"?", "okay, if you insist I am, debunk my point", "I think I prefer Friday.\n\n\nPlease kill me", "Now that is a name I have not heard in a long, long time.", "You've failed to make any point except your own misogyny.", "My point was that Rebecca Black and Friday only became a thing out of hate, and that when it is remembered it is remembered for the hate, and hated on again when it is brought up.\n\nNot that Friday has been constantly on people's minds for 10 years.\n\nThis song wasn't \"brought up\" because of the dislike removal. It was brought up as a joke because it no longer has dislikes. Baby by Justin Bieber, your poster child in this argument, also had a lot of dislikes but it was not brought up. Why was Friday chosen over Game of Thrones Season 8 or Baby?", "If you weren't suicidal and dark, you wouldn't be wasting as much time on reddit. You'd be spending it with friends, family and other hobbies that can be considered more productive.", ">It’s not a competition.\n\nYes, it is when the whole point is prooving one had it worse than the other\n\n>There are definitely worse ways that Billie was treated.\n\nBut you don't know those ways", "> > But I don't have a problem with a female lead character\n> \n> neither did the people that watched alien, kill bill, tomb raider, salt, etc etc...\n\nprove that people dislike star wars because of rey and not because of shit writing. I showed examples of female lead character movies that are well liked", "> Game of Thrones Season 8\n\nit's not on youtube\n\n> Baby\n\ndunno, ask OP\n\nif they would have posted it instead of friday, I guarantee the post would be the same. They could have also used the call of duty: infinite warfare trailer even (although the campaign wasn't as hated as the mp, so maybe not)\n\n> Not that Friday has been constantly on people's minds for 10 years.\n\nmy bad then, I misunderstood \"why we remember and are still talking about this song\" to be in general and not just this post\n\nthat said, it's because it's a shit song, not because it's a shit song made by a woman", "Okay, let’s talk about how famous women, like Billie Eilish, are exposed to sexual harassment and violence from a very, very young age.", "Like Grimes then?", "... That almost makes sense.", "Give the poor girl a break.\n\nThis music video looks like it was made for about 2000$ by a youtube publishing cut-rate music factory as the 16th birthday gift for a peppy Southern California teenager.\n\nAnd that's exactly what it is.... it never promises to be one iota more than that..", "Only a misogynist would think an example of a woman not being hated means women are not hated.", "I don't have to ask OP. \n\nAnd, Friday isn't made by a woman. It's made by Clarence Jey and Patrice Wilson. Two men. It was created by the ARK Music Factory. Rebecca Black is just the singer. So much for your theory on that. If you put a boy singing that song, it wouldn't have ever gone viral. No one would have cared. But you put a smiling girl in a car with her friends, guess what happens.", "no theory, I simply wrote \"made\" to mean \"sing\"\n\nit's a shit song sang by a woman, it would have been just as cringy and bad if it was a dude, as seen by the hate \"baby\" got", "so because a shit movie has a female lead and the movie is hated, that must mean women are hated. But if it's a shit movie with a male lead, it must be the movie, because movies with women lead characters simply cannot be shit, and shit movies with male leads cannot be shit because of the lead\n\nmakes total sense, got it", "No it’s not. The dislike button and comments are two different things. If anything, this would be a good argument to disable comments if we’re going that route", "But Baby also got a lot of love and launched a career. You seem to always drop that. The \"My World\" tour grossed $53 million. \n\nThe song got hate because it was a girl. It did not get love because it was a girl. No one was in her corner. As I already told you, Bieber only got hate from men. Who do you think went to that concert?", ">It has 4 Million dislikes.\n\nwhat is a joke?", "The Force Awakens was not hated. 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, 80% on MetaCritic, it even has a 3.5/5 on Letterboxd and those are actual movie fans. \n\nYou can't just make shit up dude. This entire conversation has you saying nonsense and me showing you you're wrong. You're wrong here. So what will you say now? How many times do I have to show you you're making stuff up?", "fucking with the numbers only gives them more reason to hide them.", "> First you say I use too many numbers to quantify what she did then you ask me \"in concrete terms\" what she did. You seriously don't see the irony in this?\n\nDollars/strike participants do not necessarily affect climate. If the \"strikes\" did not change anything and the money was put in a barrel and set on fire then it does not matter how much of either she had. She may as well have done nothing. So, concretely, what did her history-making strikes accomplish and what has her COVID/ecocide money done for the climate?\n\n> If I said something vague like \"she inspired millions of people to do something\", you would have waved it away, I'm sure of it. \n\n> Do you seriously think inspiring people does not mean anything? It is all humans have. We literally do things because of how we feel. \n\nIf you used specific example(s) like she inspired person X to do Y (generally such a person would probably cite her as the inspiration in interviews), which actually impacted climate change, I would accept that. Merely making people feel inspired is not the same as actually inspiring them to meaningful action. If hectoring politicians for not doing enough has caused them to do more, then that would be something. But according to her they just keep making more empty promises.\n\n> Do you literally want a person saying \"this law was because of Greta Thunberg\" to say \"hmm seems like she did mean something\".\n\nI mean, yeah. Laws get named for people all the time. We could also have reporting that politicians were discussing the influence of her supporters and its effect on their election chances when considering legislation. Or that she directly participated in crafting it by providing model legislation through her foundation. Something. Anything.\n\n> If collected money, actions, and inspiration doesn't mean anything, YOU tell me what matters at all then. Do you want her to pull out a magic stick and cast a spell that evaporates CO2?\n\nNo, I'd like to see her at least have a concrete, reasonably realistic plan that she's working to implement on a political or other level. She just seems to go where she's invited and do what she feels in the moment, whining about climate change without actually trying to change anything.", "so they don’t hate women, nice, i’m glad we can agree\n\nbtw there is still the last jedi and rise of skywalker that you missed, but you already proved my point so never mind", "and you think rebecca black has no money now? the song was on billboard top 100 and she got to be in the tonight show with jay leno\n\n> Bieber only got hate from men\n\nwas it because he is a girl? i’d say probably not, but what do i know\n\ni guess since nickelback are so hated (and the hate is a much bigger meme than friday is even relevant nowadays), it must be because they are a woman band", "You guys are so fucking stupid, so blinded by white hot rage that someone would even dare to criticize the decisions of a 14 year old that you cant objectively look at the circumstances she brought upon herself. We're not talking baout a fucking toddler here who has no self-awareness and lacks any measurable maturity to make sound decisions. \n\nWhat Rebecca Black did was the equivalent of someone coming in 2nd place but being given the 1st place trophy because of their connections. People would be outraged. The fact her own classmates recognized this for what it was proves that people her age are perfectly capable of distinguishing between earning something and achieving something. She achieved fame, she did not earn it, and so people attacked her for it. I remember when I was 14, if someone came up to me and said \"Hey Moe, we're going to declare you the most popular kid in school ok?\" I'd reject it, expecting backlash since I wasnt shit. \n\nI imagine some of her bullying was harsh. I'd never endorse someone telling her to kill herself, or any of the insults she likely got. But she should not have been shocked when people were offended by her music video. Make no mistake, this was not just her singing, this was not art. This was a fame grab. She wanted to be like the singers she sees on TV and her parents made it happen. She knew what she was doing. \"Make me a song, make me a video, make me popular\".", "I’ve done it manually for years and it has become the keystone to my online footprint.", "I hate to bag on this song as she was a very young teenager when she wrote/sang it. BUT, she is older now so… has to be the worst lyrics of any song I have ever heard with an auto tooned nasaly voice with a catch hook.", "And after Monday comes Tuesday then Wednesday, then Thursday!", "No, I think Rebecca Black always had money, because the music video was an expensive gift from her rich parents. That has no bearing on this discussion.\n\nNo, as I already told you, Bieber got hate from men BECAUSE women liked him. Because men are jealous. And Rebecca Black got hate from women because women are also jealous. Their jealousies just happen to lie along the same lines. Which is why a young male performer doesn't get the same treatment as a young woman. \n\nWhat will it take to get you to understand these nuances?\n\nNickelback is hated because they're popular and overplayed. What are you not grasping about this situation?", "Okay let's go over this.\n\n1) The hate over Rey was from the trailer for The Force Awakens. There's no reason to look into the other movies, as the initial hate had died down at that point. There was no reason to hate a Star Wars movie with a woman as the main character BESIDES misogyny. \n\n2) Where did I prove your point? You said the shit movie had a female lead and was hated for being a shit movie. In reality, it was a good movie that got hate for having a female lead. It's as misogynistic as it gets.", "> You said the shit movie had a female lead and was hated for being a shit movie.\n\nI was thinking of the last Jedi and rise of Skywalker, I can't remember much hate over force awakens since it was just a copy of episode 4 and very forgettable. No one actually hates the movie so much as forgot it exists, compared to TLJ and RoS", "Of course. Even record companies like track records of someone who delivers, even if the label is small.", "that's just your opinion, Friday got hate because it was a shit song, same with baby, same with Nickelback and their shit songs, no need to go too deep into it\n\nunless all women singers get as much hate as Friday, it isn't true. Same with all female leads with their movies getting hate vs Rey on episode 8 and 9\n\nan outlier doesn't mean it's the norm", "Kids bully other kids for stupid reason all the time. It does not make anything right because \"her peer recognize it\"\n\nAt 14 you are a child. Far from understanding how the world works and the consequences of your action.\n\nA video like this cost a few K, and even if it was more, none of your fucking business what they give to their daughter for her birthday.\n\nAnd again, you are reading way too much, you are not in her head. It is fucking creepy how much you want to blame her, she was 14 and did a music video where she talks about the week end and her friend lmao \n\nIt is no fame grab or art or whatever, it is a fucking child having fun and getting bully by idiot like you.\n\nIt is ironic you don't see you are the only person blinded by rage, I don't care for the girl and never heard her music, you just speak like a creepy dangerous fuck lol", "...Chris?", "We are not discussing the hate the movies get.", "You think the only example of misogyny in the world of media is Rebecca Black and Friday?\n\n[Here's a brief article from Taylor Swift](https://www.cnbc.com/2019/08/08/taylor-swift-says-this-was-the-moment-she-woke-up-to-sexism-in-the-music-industry.html) \n\n[Here's one of those listicales but it covers multiple examples](https://www.harpersbazaar.com/uk/culture/g35489023/10-famous-women-who-were-brutally-destroyed-by-the-press/)\n\n[Here's a very large article](https://awomensthing.org/blog/why-we-love-to-hate-on-female-celebrities-amy-winehouse/)\n\nHow many examples of women being hated on do I need? Literally all of them? That's not how hate works.", "Your emotions make you vulnerable and there is no debating with you. You didnt come here to talk, you came here to attack.", "Yeah but that's OTHER PEOPLE, all of which don't give a shit either way, so why care what they or you think if you and your family are happy. People that base their happiness on what others think will ALWAYS be miserable and will always look to cut others down to their own shitty levels. Much like what you're doing here.", "\"You guys are fucking stupid\" you are not debating, psycho \n\nHave a good day", "Have you seen her lately?", "The lyrics are so nice to hear. love it", "Friday Friday...... weekend weekend.... Partying Partying.....", "But you and I are aware. Everytime Reddit is mentioned, everytime Twitter is mentioned, everytime FOX is mentioned and everytime Facebook is mentioned the thread is full of people saying how shitty they are \n\nEvery time Friday is mentioned there's many comments saying how amazing Rebecca's new music is and how deplorable it was the hate she received\n\nBut in ~2010, no one was discussing how shitty it was to hate, for example, Justin Bieber. Like, people were making millions of \"memes\" and \"jokes\" like calling him a girl and a literal piece of trash, which in 2021 would be completely impossible (I'd recommend looking back at these memes, it's amazing how outdated they feel, like you don't actually understand how it was a thing)\n\nThe unjustified hate towards One Direction, Nickelback and other bands. The Britney crying photo...\n\nIn a small scale, paedophilia and beastiality was allowed in this site\n\nImagine that more than 20 years ago without Internet, there was tons of tacit rules and pushing against them took decades or centuries. That's how people thought smoking was a good thing and videogames satanic\n\nWe have a lot of this still, a lot, but internet makes us more aware. Like, 10 years ago a racist family raised racist kids, but today it's the internet who is rasing the kids and internet is mostly against racism, so, a win? At least in this case\n\nFor this and many other reasons we can say in the \"upper world\", problems like homophobia, religion and racism will be almost over in 3 generations.\n\nAnyways, it's too early to make a statement about improvement or our downhill to hell. So yeah, we should expect the best and prepare for the worst", "lmao \"psycho\". You are shaking with anger", "Really dig this song. Damn, she did it.", "But didn’t they just turn off dislikes on YouTube so you can’t see them? Lol or is that the joke and I’m dumb\nAlso she re recorded another version as an adult and it actually is a banger", "Was the stripe from factory or did you get it after market? It looks awesome!", "I doubt anyone expected the scope and breadth of the negative attention she received.\n\nBut either way it’s pretty pathetic for any adult to ridicule a child.", "I don't know seems very prevalent everywhere. School, home, strangers. \nOf course all humans could be pathetic, but when I see a little shit in the supermarket literally biting other people, I ridicule the little shit so he stops. \n\nThe music video bites my ears.\n\nRidicule is used often as behaviour adjustment.", "My secret fantasy is also that u/mrjiggidy would die.", "> Auto tune has been used for decades, and I mean further back than most people complaining were even born. \n\nIt absolutely wasn't. Autotune was literally invented in 1997 by a computer scientist, it isn't a process that has been refined over decades incrementally. And it was popular from the get-go because, well, it was literally game changing. \n\nSure there had been vocoders and stuff before, but the difference is that autotune can just snap to a specific note and can be used much more subtly than it was by TPain and Cher, so subtly that it can just make someone sound like they're naturally singing on pitch, something that previously just wasn't possible... you could raise and lower it in a way as you said previously but it was incredibly obvious because you had to slow or increase the tempo and so you couldn't correct a mistake in the middle of a line or word or make a note hold exactly to what note you need. No longer with autotune, it's literally used in everything these days, it's honestly as revolutionary to music as the record or the microphone were, probably even moreso honestly... it's literally even used in live performances now, so if you see a major artist live onstage and they sound too good to be true.... they may not be lipsynching, they might be singing and an autotune profile for the song may be keeping them right where their voice is supposed to be.", "> It's like if instead of drums there were only trashcans and baseball bats\n\nWait is it St Anger appreciation day already?", "If you refute the notion that collecting money, inspiring people, putting pressure on politicians, making people more aware of a problem is actually helpful, then there is not convincing you. \n\nYou are basically saying that words and advertising doesn't have any meaning. I wonder why companies put millions of dollars into advertising and how Russians use disinformation to influence world politics.\n\nWords DO matter. If you think these protests did not pressure any politicians or inspire a child to become a real law-maker, then I don't know what to say.\n\nAt this point you are just to stubborn admit for I don't know what reason, that's incredibly short-sighted and immature. Use all this time and energy to actually contribute to a more positive world instead of being salty over a child being famous.", "Haha thanks! Not from the factory.. But dealer installed", "> If you refute the notion that collecting money, inspiring people, putting pressure on politicians, making people more aware of a problem is actually helpful, then there is not convincing you.\n\n> You are basically saying that words and advertising doesn't have any meaning. I wonder why companies put millions of dollars into advertising and how Russians use disinformation to influence world politics.\n\nThat is correct. Words and advertising don't mean anything if they don't do anything. If an ad doesn't make people buy the product, it doesn't matter how many millions you spent on advertising or how many time slots/stations it ran on. Greta has old words and ineffective ads. She has not \"put pressure on politicians\" - by her own admission they continue to do nothing. Practically no one is behaving any differently than before Greta came on the scene.\n\n> Words DO matter. If you think these protests did not pressure any politicians or inspire a child to become a real law-maker, then I don't know what to say.\n\nWe'll see whether it inspired anyone to become a lawmaker and actually successfully draft a law in ~40 years. By then of course it will be far too late for the climate according to Greta.\n\n> At this point you are just to stubborn admit for I don't know what reason, that's incredibly short-sighted and immature. Use all this time and energy to actually contribute to a more positive world instead of being salty over a child being famous.\n\nI'm not taking the time to be salty over her, I just answered your question and you won't accept it. You desperately want to believe she's important or had some impact but all you can cite is \"maybe she inspired another child somewhere to do something actually useful one day\", $1M in prize money she was awarded by some rich Portuguese guy's foundation which she donated to COVID/ecocide, and a performative \"strike\" where people stood around holding signs on Friday as an excuse to cut class.", "Using your logic, there's no proof that anything works. The disinformation campaign of Putin, the systematic brainwashing of Chinese citizens prove to me they worked or not? \n\nYou keep saying that I need to provide prove, yet you have not cited anything to disprove her impact. \n\nThe funniest thing to me is how you can even wave away the money she has donated. Man, if that isn't slacktivism from your side, I don't know what is. Shouting from the sidelines, but 0 effort, no action. The audacity.", "> Using your logic, there's no proof that anything works. The disinformation campaign of Putin, the systematic brainwashing of Chinese citizens prove to me they worked or not?\n\nThose are closed/semi-closed societies where it can be difficult to prove anything. You could design a study though that looked at the beliefs of the average Russian who consumes only Russian news sources vs a mix including Western sources. Or changes in opinion both before and after the government line comes out. Wouldn't be surprised if they already existed.\n\nIt won't necessarily be 100% conclusive, but it's more than anything that could be shown about Greta's impact. If we look at CO2 levels we're not even going to see a blip that could be interpreted as being caused by her. I could be wrong, but if we tracked people's willingness to sacrifice for climate change I don't think you'd see much of an impact before/after her arrival either.\n\n> You keep saying that I need to provide prove, yet you have not cited anything to disprove her impact. \n\nThe onus is on you. I can't prove a negative.\n\n> The funniest thing to me is how you can even wave away the money she has donated. Man, if that isn't slacktivism from your side, I don't know what is. Shouting from the sidelines, but 0 effort, no action. The audacity.\n\nZero effort is what was required on her part to donate that money. Let me say it again: her entire appeal is in her age. If she was 30 (or even 20) when she started holding a sign outside the Swedish parliament, no one would have a clue who she is. Her message is not new or interesting. Some rich guy's wayward foundation decided to latch on to her popularity and give a 17yo 1M dollars despite her having no track record of being able to manage such sums effectively. She didn't apply for it. She didn't have to meet some criteria. She was completely surprised by it. Whatever committee decides it just voted to give it to her, perhaps to raise the profile of their no-name foundation. She didn't know what to do with it so she donated it to other groups to spend, including at least one that is a complete joke.\n\nAs I said, she was kind of boxed into a corner. She could either choose the money (not really enough to retire on, even assuming it's not taxed) and receive public ridicule with no more glowing coverage or invitations to speak on a national stage, or she could donate it and preserve her future earning potential. Because she's probably going to be milking this for the rest of her life, even if it's just speaker's fees and a salary or expense account through her foundation.", "For almost 3 years now, my kids have asked me to play this on the way to school, on Friday.", "That's modern autotune. The idea is the same, pitch correction and that is what people complain about. Sure, autotune has made the process incredibly simple and has changed the game. I can use autotune on fucking any sample now, whether it's vocals or not, and it is revolutionary, but to act like people weren't changing vocal pitch to change keys and improve vocals to some extent decades ago is disingenuous. There's been a level of editing done to enhance vocals for a long, whether it's pitch correction or otherwise. That is what people complain about. the eventide h190 is still used at times today even, although rare. The average person complaining about autotune doesn't know exactly what it is. They just know it is used to improve vocals. Changing tempo may not be nearly as effective, but it was done in the past. Not to mention the ridiculous amount of famous bands, singers, etc who's music was made by a third party, like the wrecking crew.", "Wouldn’t it be psychologically remembering?", "Actually I think that's an understatement. We already put teenage girls through hell at the best of times but I am pretty sure Rebecca has spoken about how, on top of the ridicule and teasing she got over the song, she got genuine hate and even death threats. At the age of 13. Maybe the blonde girl got off a little better but that wasn't the case for Rebecca.", "Superhitsong", "Why call them simple? They made an empathic comment. I can't wrap my mind around that.", "i.e. Kim Kardash & Paris Hilton roll models.", "This person is shaming people for finding this video funny. \n\nThey acting like finding humor in how terrible this video is, is an attack on rebecca as a person\n\nIt's blatantly obvious that the majority of people here are not doing that. The overwhelming sentiment is sympathetic towards her.\n\nYet this person is still calling people low lives for finding this video funny, because they are unable to separate the humor in the video from a personal attack on her. Their comment is offensive to people (like myself) who find this video hilariously bad yet also feel sorry for what this girl went through because of it.\n\nTheir comment showed no nuance. And they chose to double down when called out. That's what makes them simple.", "She's a good singer and she comes across well in videos. Those are talents. Some singers write all their own material but plenty of famous singers never wrote a song.", "imagine being a human being, on earth, knowing all thise, and 10 years later being like \"what you think i forgot? have another round of savage mockery!\"", "Best song ever! So uffd", "Ironically this is one of the few good arguments for hiding the dislike button", "I was pretty intoxed when I wrote that but I just listened to it again and you guys took a putrid noise and flipped that shit and made it decent. Like y'all's sound fr", "Initially that was certainly true, but as it developed into an actual art form it has become much more of a symbiotic relationship.", "Not shitty pop \"artists\", no. That's the whole point. They're entertainers with the goal of selling recordings/shows. Has very little to do with art.", "lol, I see that you've fully drank the kool-aid and don't have a clue about what goes into actual art music. Entertainment music is an entirely different thing. Most of those people aren't composers, they hire songwriters to crank out their ridiculously simple harmonies that appeal to the masses.", "Every genre has shitty artists and hacks though. Granted pop may have a higher percentage, but it still doesn’t make sense to write off an entire genre", "Well thanks. Though, listening to us inebriated is probably for the best. Haha.", "My hand is a DOLPHIN!!!", "Ehh the focus in this thread is solely on men and it is worthwhile to mention this goes both ways.", "It's Friday", "crazy how simple looking teens were back then, I feel like everyone these days dresses like a model", "I agree", "You should have waited a few days to post it", "Here is the background. It was always intended to be marketed by Ark:\n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2011/mar/21/rebecca-black-friday", "I legit can’t find his age anywhere, I would have guessed older. If you have a source let me know.", "This is so broke.", "Holy shit. Holy fuck that's insane to think about", "I prefer this version -> https://youtu.be/zzfQwXEqYaI", "How fucking stupid. Get your autistic ass out of here", "I’ll never forgive YouTube for this", "Nobody does it quite like this young lady!", "It’s Thursday 👀", ":", "Jokes on you. Only saw this just now(is friday).", "She has been the closest to hitting the brown note IMO", "🤣🤣🤣🤣", "😂😂😂 not a banger 😂😂😂", "\nBd 2jfj j\nW jcw", "123456", "Hello", "I prefer this version -> https://youtu.be/pi00ykRg_5c", "Make sure to cut the seatbelt too, for optimal projection", "Needs more Cowbell lol", "Fuck I hate this new culture", "It’s cool to say fuck trump. Everyone said fuck bush. But when you say let’s go Brandon ! Everyone is booty hurt and wants to stone you to death because this old geriatric pedo ….", "Bring dislike button back, ffs!" ]	3,756	videos	1.3 Million Likes and no dislikes. This song must be a banger.
https://youtu.be/nNpvWBuTfrc	/r/videos/comments/race08/matrix_resurrections_official_trailer_2/	[ "This shit should never have been made. Greedy execs", "Pretty skeptical of a 4th movie, but it does look good.", "this would be [the 7th](https://youtu.be/cHZl2naX1Xk?t=277) i believe, and the ~~architects~~ screen writers are getting increasingly good at it", "I hate how excited I am about this. I was just 15 when reloaded came out so I never was on the sequel hate train, it was just more fun matrix-y stuff to me. Objectively now, yes, I can see how the sequels aren't as good as the original, but the nostalgia has me now and I can't stop the hype. Please be awesome." ]	4	videos	Matrix Resurrections – Official Trailer 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVPCgNMOOP0	/r/videos/comments/ractl0/a_mans_own_lawyers_conspired_w_the_judge/	[ "Shameful behavior by the court and legal staff. I hope Justice finds them.", "This is already on the front page right now? https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ra32cw/mans_own_defence_lawyer_conspires_with_the/", "They ARE “justice” or are they?" ]	3	videos	A Man’s Own Lawyers Conspired W/ The Judge Prosecutor and Other Court Staff Locking Him Up Unjustly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOnwGHuYnmg	/r/videos/comments/rad2rl/enjoying_my_time_with_halo_infinite_mp/	[ "Yah, I having been loving it as well. Cannot wait for it to leave beta and have firefight and server browsers. The game is going to be amazing in a year or so.\n\nThe seasons and progression for unlocks is fucking ridiculous, but I dont care about cosmetics so it doesn't affect me. The gameplay is all that matters", "Yeah I agree. The progression system needs a revamp but as you say the gameplay is just majestic. And I am sure it will even get better. I hope we have a solid and a healthy community too. I am also curious about the SP portion of the game. The reviews are amazing so far.", "5-6 years ago I thought crossplay was a great idea, why not have more people playing the same game. As a PC player I now know crossplay creates a shitty environment for PC players.... Aim assist in games like this is so heavy.\n\nYou cant ever go into a fight assuming skill plays a heavy factor, it's just annoying not being able to gauge if you are about to get insta gibbed or if they wont be able to follow your movement.", "Lol and as a console gamer I also want the freedom of mouse and keyboard :))) But I agree. Console and PC needs to be different ecosystems IMHO. I wonder what kind of an approach they will take in the future. As the PC and Console players share the same concern. But they might be afraid to divide the community. Ah who knows.", "haha, I have been laughing at all of the comments online about how console gamers do not want to play with mouse and keyboard hackers.\n\nI'm just thinking to myself, fuck that, I don't want to play with aim assist controller players.\n\nI am pretty sure when the game is fully released, there will be ways to only play with PC players", "In Xbox there is a way to opt out of crossplay via the main menu. HOWEVER I believe this limits the experience to Xbox Live only. I mean an Xbox player can still match with someone playing in PC Gamepass but can not match with players from Steam. We can opt out of crossplay but I believe the LIVE ecosystem still can not be divided.", "Good job! You should try playing ranked matches, they are a lot harder than this but way more rewarding to win.", "I actually did few times today. For sure more challenging. Very difficult to get a 8 killstreak like I got in the video.", "That's nice. Maybe post it in r/halo, you know, and not here?\nThere are 25 million subscribers or r/videos and less than 99.99% or us are playing this stinker of a game, you know?\n\nEven if I was playing the game I would do just that.. play the game. Not watch someone else play it.", "the aim assist is comically aggressive", "Some good beginner gameplay!", "Just allow KB+M and no Aim Assist lobbies." ]	12	videos	Enjoying my time with Halo Infinite MP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moB2NdtmpoI	/r/videos/comments/rad38u/heather_mccartney_scares_ringo/	[ "I thought this was one of the highlights of all 3 parts of the documentary. You had 8 hrs of this documentary to remind you what the Beatles were like as musicians, as band mates, as innovators — and this 3 minutes to remind you that they were also just normal people goofing around with Paul’s cute 6 year old step daughter.", "I remember my niece at this age :)", "What's the name of the documentary?", "Get Back - streaming on Disney Plus", "The best part is that she is wearing the same outfit as him", "If you can, I recommend trying to find a way to watch it without giving money to Disney+.", "Whiplash, that little girl goes bald later on due to the stress that comes with being the perfect musician.", "I've undervalued Ringo in this band my whole life. After seeing this documentary, he's easily my most favorite Beatle now. There were so many examples of him being humble and intrinsically a good person amongst all the massive egos around him.", "Is it true that Heather McCartney is the best drummer in the world?", "The cig is the pièce de résistance", "I'm not a massive Beatles fan by any means, but that was definitely one thing I picked up on watching the doc. \n\nGranted, I know Ringo left the band at one point prior to the doc, but he seemed way more introspective by this point and seemed to be listening to everyone more than talking. It seemed most of his frustration was a result of the other three being complete divas.", "what a regular bart harley jarvis", "One of the most aggressive babies I've ever met", "This exact scene plays out daily in my house with my daughter, followed by the same laugh. I haven't seen the full doc yet, but I'm guessing she did this 50 more times, finding it just as funny every time, until Ringo had to find a way to divert her attention to something else.", "Ringo's son got to have Keith Moon as a fun uncle", "I thought your joke was funny. Someone else already answered seriously.", "She's not even the best drummer of the McCartneys.", "He was probably trying to calm his nerves from the last time she terrorized him.", "arrr, feelin like it be time to venture ye upon the high seas says i", "Yo ho ho", "Spent a week with Ringo while he was rehearsing to begin his world tour a couple times. Got to setup his drum kit from original USA 1964 tour.\n\nHe’s cool, super relaxed and a very nice person…exactly as the documentary shows him.", "I'd guess this wasn't Ringo's first \"scare\" that minute either, I think he's still in the early going-along-with-kids-shit phase.", "Funny. To me it felt like it was 2h of how they were like as musicians, band mates and innovators, and 6h of them just goofing around and being silly. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but it made for a very hard watch.", "This is awesome, what All-Starr Band lineup was this?", "Beatlejuice", "Lenin is fun. He organise worker revolution, redistribute wealth to proletariat and also make fun song with 'I Am Walrus-Man'.", "Mine are this age right now, fun times.", "Ok, was she completely on beat or is there some music starting right as she hits the drum?", "The first tour i did was 2003…wow that’s awhile ago. The full lineup from wikipedia:\n\n“From the previous band remained Mark Rivera, as does singing percussionist Sheila E. New to the mix are Paul Carrack of Squeeze and Mike + The Mechanics fame, Colin Hay from Australian band Men at Work and John Waite, a solo artist who also had fronted The Babys and Bad English.”\n\nWe shot a concert DVD with PBS Chicago as well. I worked in the entertainment centre on stage at Casino Rama in Canada. Ringo was friends with the booking manager there and frequently rehearsed there. Cool experience.", "At least she’s the best Heather McCartney." ]	29	videos	Heather McCartney Scares Ringo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_oFrxlYNMM	/r/videos/comments/rad8w0/norm_sets_up_andy_dick/	[ "I didnt like Andy dick for a very long time, but theres something about him that I dont understand that makes me like him. I'll probably never fully understand this.", "I feel like there is a yak on my chest.", "It’s because when he is sober he seems very sweet.", "He reminds you of a guy who's good at fuckin. Fuckin n suckin", "[..9/11!](https://youtu.be/QX1SojKfgNI)", "\"Mount Baldie... Mount Baldie...\"", "Ted Bundy had the same thing", "Word is Andy Dick can tell the flavour of a popsicle just by sitting on it.", "What terrible phone number, it reminds me of that tragedy.", "Theres' been other people that have done this for sure, make people laugh about some tragedy - but nobody was better at it than Norm.", "After all, he walked through blood and bone in the streets of Manhattan, trying to find his brother... he was in Northern Canada.", "I’ve always known of the guy but never seen his work. His Wikipedia page is a loooong list of legal issues and controversies. Guess that’s why I know of him.", "What did Yul Brynner's wife do on their wedding night?", "If I found a magic lamp, and a genie popped out and gave me one wish, I'd as for a recording of the time Jon Lovitz repeatedly smashed Andy Dick's head into a bar counter at the Laugh Factory in 2007.", "[9/11 Airlines](https://youtu.be/VkSMSbFV_q0)" ]	15	videos	Norm sets up Andy Dick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SGWzTf0FVU	/r/videos/comments/rae4gi/night_guard_80s_style_indie_horror_game/	[ "If you grind your teeth the dentist will recommend this game.", "'80's? This is like mid-late 90's. Decent Deux Ex vibes.", "I thought so too, VHS effect is kinda closer to 90's. The creator described it as 80's tho." ]	3	videos	Night Guard - 80's Style Indie Horror Game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXgj28e1gvU	/r/videos/comments/raf623/twitch_spokesperson_explains_how_to_follow/	[ "Haha that was pretty funny", "thanks lol, the timing isn't perfect as it seems the weird bans and hot tub streams aren't all that relevant at the moment, but this speech is the first thing that comes to my mind when streamers get banned for dumb reasons", "Nailed it lmao", "Dr Disrespect would still be on Twitch if he’d just followed these simple guidelines.", "I love this scene as you can see David come to a sudden realization about Michael.", "Step 1: be female", "How to keep conservative sponsors happy\n\nThose Visa, Mastercard, and other mainstream puritan sponsors are making the internet as bland as possible.\n\nEdit: I'm referring to \nhttps://www.protocol.com/policy/onlyfans-visa-mastercard \nhttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/visa-and-mastercard-are-trying-dictate-what-you-can-watch-pornhub \nhttps://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/credit-card-firms-are-becoming-reluctant-regulators-of-the-web/21805450 \nhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/10/pornhub-mastercard-visa-rape-child-abuse-images", "But if every game, regardless of genre, was a battle royale, and all teamates, regardless of personal conduct, were just. Accepting and kind and nice responding to all types of statements and yelling. And if we just only played battle royale. People would just get along. If they just agree with Dr. Disrespect.", "Dunno why you got downvoted you're totally right", "Imagine acting as if any of those are conservative, while every one of them constantly bans conservatives, or in the case of those particular businesses, they simply stop doing business with conservatives........\n\nThat's a really weird thing to do if you're also supposedly conservative..........", "I think he meant the literal definition of the word conservative. Not the political ideol9gy of the current Republican Party. Whatever that may be these days.", "Companies doing some woke or green washing doesn't mean they can' be bigoted. \n\nhttps://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/dec/10/pornhub-mastercard-visa-rape-child-abuse-images\n\nhttps://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/credit-card-firms-are-becoming-reluctant-regulators-of-the-web/21805450\n\nhttps://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/12/visa-and-mastercard-are-trying-dictate-what-you-can-watch-pornhub\n\nI'd be interesting to discuss the topic if you have anything to add beside echoing one of the mentioned companies PR talk while being dismissive of the topic.", "The \"goalpost\" was to mention the sponsors driving the massive brand washing we're seeing all over the internet. \n\nThese companies could be conservative without extremely puritan an bigoted, but it turns out they are. You should stop trying to make it look like we are changing topic. \n\nNow despite what you claim, all you did is echoing Mastercard's PR talk by mentioning their news section and choosing to summarize the crackdown of banks and payment companies on independent content creators as \"fighting pedophiles\". \n\nSo I guess this is goodbye =)", "Yep exactly, I don't consider that conservative is equivalent to republican at all. \nTo be fair I don't give a fuck about republicans and democrats. \n\nAs a matter of fact, I find that many of woke movements are in fact extremely conservative, despite what they pretend to be.", "I mean I just read everything and it sounds okay to me. Don’t fund terrorist and hate groups of any political organization. And I mean honestly compared to the koo koo right which attacks the capitol and thinks some random ass imaginary god put trump in power vs the koo koo left who wants people to be called different stuff and makes people lose their jobs through twitter. Both are assholes but one side is vehemently more violent and I don’t want any violent groups to have money. Love your neighbor.", "N", "P", "Sorry but pornhub is very bad, kinda strange to see it get's so much praise on reddit of all places. There are thousands of people who find there abuse videotaped back on pornhub and pornhub itself does next to none to either combat it or get it taken down. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nAnd then I haven't either mentioned the amount of exbf material get's posted there and the energy needed to even get a single video taken down." ]	25	videos	Twitch spokesperson explains how to follow Twitch's community guidelines which have been criticized for being often vague and subjectively interpreted by admins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIot1Wdou0E	/r/videos/comments/rafdd1/belgium_antilockdown_protests/	[ "Who knew Belgium had so many Trump loving white nationalists.", "This is the only political video being permitted here because it helps to scare the sheep from trying it elsewhere. \n[Rule 6M no politics]", "Average redditor must make it about trump.", "Given the number of unvaccinated folks in that crowd standing shoulder to shoulder with no masks, this problem willl likely solve itself.", "If only it was a BLM protest then they'd all be fine right!?", "It’s a joke. Obviously Belgium doesn’t give a shit about trump or favor white nationalism but in America these people are labeled as such.", "Whataboutism.", "It doesn't really spread very well outdoors. We had a huge BLM protest in Oslo (for some reason), and no spike in numbers afterwards", "these people think they are treated like the jews in ww2... also if you are born a belgian there is a 99.9% chance you are stupid its scientifically proven i believe.", "Double speak ism", "8000 peoples on the street, and, at the same moment, 200000 inscriptions for a third jab", "And reddit keep telling me the boomers are the selfish ones.", "I knew reddit was gonna love that one! I couldn't imagine being someone whose thought process would be \"this problem will likely solve itself\" about a group of people dying because they are protesting something you dont agree with. I'd rather make a whataboutist argument than be that guy.", "They want to be oppressed so badly", "Yeah most of the antivaxxers are trump lovers here in Australia too, it's really weird.", "The anti-vax protests in NZ have had, no joke, Trump flags.", "Reddit has no problem with authoritarianism as long it is their form of authoritarianism", "\"rent free\"", "yes downvote me into oblivion!", "I didn't see a single waffle", "The polio vaccine is mandatory in Belgium. Almost everyone in this video has already been vaccinated, but against a disease that's become exceptionally rare in Europe.\n\nNo one really had a problem with mandatory vaccinations, or claimed getting one was authoritarianism, until a few years ago.\n\nSpend less time doing research on facebook, and think for yourself.\n\nIf you lost a dildo up your ass or found a weird lump, you'd go to a doctor, not die while researching how to perform surgery on facebook.", "Ah yes, classic Reddit, are you able to tell the difference between anti-vax and anti-lockdown? I guess not Besides if you think this is an appropriate response to people protesting then I have bad news for you.", "No idea what you just watched but that looked like a pretty balanced crowd in terms of age groups. Selfish idiots are selfish.", "Countries that have had lockdowns have shown that it works to slow the spread. You are telling me this crowd is pro vaccines? Are you seriously that naive? The same crowd that compare current lockdown to what Jews went through during WW2?", "kekekek", "They're hibernating.", "I thought there was no war in Ba seng sei", "You know what's real classic reddit? Talking out of your ass without even having watched the video. Or maybe you just happened to miss all the signs with \"non a la vaccination obligatoire\" on them. And the ones saying \"mandatory vaccination is over!\". And the sign comparing vaccine passes to the Star of David Jews had to wear in Nazi Germany. And the interviews with several protesters speaking out against mandatory vaccination. You absolute turnip.", "Does anyone know or can show what the new lockdown restrictions actually are?" ]	29	videos	Belgium anti-lockdown protests
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OnzkhQsmSag	/r/videos/comments/rafdwg/pump_it_eskimo_callboy_partycore/	[ "LOL that video was madness, love it", "Got tickets to see them in Munich in January!!!!! So excited! Best find ever from a night of wine and YouTube rabbit holes.", "Eurovision 2022", "This is just what I needed today.", "They recently announced their entry to Eurovision\n\nIf you like this one check out Hypa Hypa by them", "Holy. Never heard of them. All their shit is amazing.\n\nThank you for this.", "This feels like it came from Eurovision for sure", "with zero hyperbole, that was the best thing i've ever seen", "they'll probably have to make something slightly more \"mainstream\" for Eurovision but I'm sure it will still be tongue in cheek", "I discovered them about a week ago and it's been non stop on my playlist since.", "why do THE BEST MUSIC VIDEOS always have to be stuck with the worst songs ever??? Stop screaming in a screamo voice if you're talking about how much fun you're having. you're having a fun time, talking about how much enjoyment you're getting out of this activity and then you just kill the vibe.. smh", "[If it bothers you that much...](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNk5K0bCkas)", "Honestly, I was not expecting that.", "What kind of weird take is this? These vocals aren’t meant to imply negative emotions lol", "Alexi Laiho, Eddie Van Halen, Dimebag and Jeff Hanneman are all rolling over in their graves right now.", "Well that was entertaining", "I feel like I just freebased a bunch of really fun drugs.", "[Oops I did it again- Children of bodom (Britney Spears cover)](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WGtXlBbWeB4)", "Dance power metal?", "Fucking love those guys! They really know how to have a good time.", "So a rip on the Eric Prydz video, yes?", "Same! Night before my birthday too. Really hyped for it!", "I am so bummed out……. I live in the US and won’t be able to make it back when they reschedule" ]	23	videos	Pump it- Eskimo Callboy (partycore)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7XVWR-5fiG0	/r/videos/comments/rafl85/2006_i_was_18_freshly_graduated_and_paid_300_to/	[ "So fire", "This video was my introduction to Mutemath so thanks for directing it! Been a fan ever since and finally got to see them in concert a few years back. Phenomenal show.", "Cool video... very much giving me \"OK Go\" vibes.\n\nIsrael Anthem? Do people call you Hatikvah for short? (I bet that's the first time you've heard that joke! I'm so original!)", "Thanks man! Here are some of my other favs I directed for them throughout the years. \n\nTheir first Nashville club show at the Exit in. Shot on 8mm. You can see 17 year old me weaslin around. \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K6FUDOV9Glo\n\n\nThe “lost” video. \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K6U6UYwqX8U\n\n\nThe live “felt like a comback” show.\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nj3i--t-sJk\n\n\nand my personal favorite, which resulted in a fever dream experience with Ellen Degenerous/kardashians\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=t6i6TBT4kfg\n\nALSO, getting to direct the recreation on Kimmel was pretty dope, although nerveracking with sarah silverman standing over your shoulder. \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HcfQhqNmqWY", "I could just watch that drummer all day.", "I've never seen this before but that is seriously incredible that you were able to choreograph the drum beats, guitar chords, and words in reverse perfectly to the track. Was there any video trickery there or was that all really done that well?", "In the Lost video you have all those people there surfing everything.\n\nDid you get to try that out? And if so what was that like surfing on top of all those people?", "No special effects, just weeks and weeks of rehearsals. there is one cut, when the lead singer covers the camera. Initially it was all one take, but after several rehearsals our $100 christmas light rig wouldnt release properly anymore", "That drummer was the reason why i distinctly remember seeing this. I took up drums before or shortly after i think.", "I also got to direct the recreation on Jimmy Kimmel. Nerveracking when Sarah Silverman is standing over your shoulder. \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HcfQhqNmqWY", "/r/Israel is a great sub.", "There was so many layers of difficulty on that. Theres an old making of a friend sent me recently\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hyU9EmMW8PM", "That must have been difficult to choreograph backwards. I imagine lots of practice. How many takes did it take? Did you play the song in reverse during filming?", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMLPyibslI", "In the Monument video, what's the story about the adorable old man?\n\nHow did that all come to be?", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4h3AN2i7Zw4\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JCwuWnXB-Iw", "Well, now I feel like an unpaid shill ;)\n\nBut really, that context makes the music video that much more touching. Thanks for sharing and bringing their story to life!", "Israel Anthem McGuire is my birthname. My family is all in Gospel music, (Dottie Rambo is my grandmother, Reba Rambo my mom, Dony McGuire my dad). When I started getting my films in festivals at 13-14, I wanted no one to associate me with my family or gospel music. Legally dropped my last name then and forever.", "No, it was hell.", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMLPyibslI", "Cool making of, thanks", "Wait. Some other band from Europe had the same exact idea 3 months before?", "If you could do this again in the modern day, what would you do differently or add to the production?", "So when rehearsing did you constantly have the song playing backwards until everyone basically learned it that way?", "How was the singing done? I mean everything was rewinded but the music is going in the opposite direction.", "we learned everything backwards. As the director, I had to learn all lyrics/instruments. \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMLPyibslI", "we rehearsed for weeks in a basement. During the shoot, yes, everything was in reverse for me, while holding a megaphone. Each band member had their parts in reverse isolated in their in ears. \n\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMLPyibslI", "Get paid more than $300.", "My first exposure to Mutemath was when I saw them in concert in 2007 or 2008. I hadn't even heard of them, let alone heard their music, but my friend had a spare ticket and so I went.\n\nIt's still hands down the most entertaining rock performance I've seen. It was so freakin good! The energy was incredible, and they really _performed_ and didn't just stand there playing their songs trying to look cool.", "Something like that, except their video was awful. the crowds of people were recreated with CG. Not only did it look like we ripped off a video; but a bad video. remember, this was 07.", "I was probably there. Who were the openers?", "I followed you on Insta after we exchanged comments awhile ago. \n\nThis has always been one of my fav music vids. I never saw anything like it. I feel like the 00’s had amazing music vids then it just got too damn professional.", "Hell yeah man.", "They say once you have an idea, that 1000 people across the globe have same idea, and it's a race to see who can bring the idea to fruition first.\n\nCheers man, I appreciate chya!", "As a music video director who sees music videos I wrote six months earlier quite often, I agree with this", "Really really interesting! Super cool video. I imagine at first it was so complex it would be difficult to even wrap your head around it, but as time goes on you start thinking in that way. After watching the link you sent I have a question, what was the first idea that got shut down?", ">and paid $300 to direct my first major label video.\n\nNot bad! When I was 18, I had to pay $800 to direct my first major label video!", "It was bad. I was 17, watching too much Michel Gondry. Something something, xmas lights and heavily edited. Funnily enough we kept the lights in the video. You have to understand, our budget was 10k. in 2006, Warner Bros didnt give out a budget lower than that. Basically, their only option was to do something batshit with the 18 year old who theyve known for years and hope for the best.", "I can't remember for sure, but [this page](https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/mutemath/2007/revolution-live-fort-lauderdale-fl-5bc44f2c.html) says they played with Eisley which sounds _extremely_ familiar.\n\nIt was at Revolution in Fort Lauderdale, FL", "id like to see that video. \n\nfun fact, I actually made $187 because the producer and I forgot about catering, so Subway trays drained us.", "You directed this, at 18? Bravo, great video! This introduced a lot of people to Mutemath.", "Yep. Their drummer married eisleys lead singer while I was dating her sister. I also directed a couple videos for Eisley. love them. \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nJjX7aGStTQ\n\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2zkpcACQkak", "Thanks. It also followed a decade of me almost dying, but I’m less likely to die now.", "Very cool!", "This was around the start of when major labels realised that every young director desperately wanted to direct music videos to the point that they would literally pay to make them. And those practices are still going strong today! Yay, capitalism!\n\nFANTASTIC video though. That’s some crazy dedication from the band to get it right and some great ideas in there.", "Damn! Respect.", "You don’t got explain it to me. I was there, and that shit was dark.", "MUTEMATH!!", "I am a fan of your work. Inspired and enjoyable. That is all.", "This song/video was my jam for a while like 10 years ago.", "I first was introduced to Mutemath in college but weren’t some of the members part of the band “Earthsuit”? I saw them at a Christian rock festival 20 years ago. That was an interesting act considering the rest of the bands performing.", "Yep. Fun fact, earthsuit formed and Paul and Darren met while touring with my gospel music parents.", "That’s neat! CCM can be such a small world sometimes.", "This stuff makes me strive to be a better producer.", "yeah, considering my grandmother is Dottie Rambo, I have to agree with you.", "Ha. Fair point lol", "Thank you directing my favorite music video by my favorite band. Man I miss them so much.", "thanks man, that means something to me.", "Darren King.", "You still in the business? What you up to now?", "Small world, dude. I hung out with you a couple of times. Used to be friends/roommates with bowen and crocker. I didn't realize you did this vid though. Sick work", "Haha, yikes. The ol Bluefield period. Still friends with Crocker tho", "Well seeing as Israel is the holy land and anthem is another word for hymn, it looks like you didn't stray too far from your gospel roots. Heh heh.", "This video is insane. Loved it even since I 1st watched it", "No hate, but what mutemath would you intro to someone, because this sounds like 90s christian rock, and I've heard people I respect praise the band.", "lol, I thought the $300 was the budget and not your comp. That would’ve been amazing if you had done it with only $300.", "Fuck yeah, Mutemath! Saw them with Minus the Bear when I was in college in 2006!", "This is literally the first song in my playlist when I do my HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) sessions on a stationary bike in the gym. It gets me going every time!", "I'm an old fart, and had never seen this video or heard this song, but wow, to make something like this at 18... just totally amazing.", "Damn, how hard was it to direct that on Kimmel?", "Wow! That video is amazing. And so is this band that I never heard of.", "Watching Darren play live was a life changing experience. I about died when I saw him duct tape his headphone to his head, then clearly seeing why just as the show kicked off!", "Been a fan ever since Kevin Pereira talked them up on Attack of the Show way back in the day. Made all my friends get Typical on Rock Band so I could rock out. This is still a great video and the rest are great too. Still play Mutemath regularly, great music is timeless.", "Go fish for attention elsewhere if you’re famous.", "I don’t know if you know this, but most people who find some success aren’t famous", "It would be that song.", "DUDE!!!! I LOVED THIS VIDEO BACK IN THE DAY!!! I was 17 and debating film school and did then dropped out lol Thanks for this video!!!", "Whoa that’s crazy! How do you get into such a cool industry at such a young age?! What does a director even do?", "This was honestly amazing! \n\nThe backwards choreography was absolutely phenomenal.", "And he's playing the entire song backwards here.", "Wow, I was a huge Mutemath fan around this time and loved this video! So cool to hear some background about it this many years later. Thanks for sharing and for reminding me about my love for Mutemath!", "I appreciate it!", "Oh no, you have the wrong impression, I peaked at 18.", "Man I love YouTube comments like \"this was sooooo ahead of it's time\" when like, it sounds like U2 30 years after their time, and the style of the video is like...maybe right on time? Maybe a little late? Pretty like, on brand, for the 00's IMO. Clever, cheap, entertaining the entire time. \n\nClassically good for sure but like...I'm not sure it's ahead of it's time haha.", "God damn what a show.", "I love mutemath.", "A music video director is completely different than a film director in the sense of, nine times out of 10 a record label will send out a song\\budget\\timeline to dozens if not hundreds of directors to see if they are interested in submitting a treatment which is like a script.\n\nDirectors are not paid for this, so often times you work for a month, maybe more trying to make sure that your idea is the one that gets turned into the video. once the idea is settled upon, as well as the budget, the director is contractually obligated to do exactly what he said he can do in the treatment. Directors typically make 10% of the budget, producers 5%, production company 10%. Back in the day, these numbers worked when 100k was a small budget. I read recently that the average music video budget in 1999 was 270K, Now it is most definitely below 10, Which is why most music videos have gone to shit, or rely on gimmicks, such as this. of course there are several amazing video artists do you have adapted and most have created their own companies to get the most out of the budget.\n\nI was raised in a music family, was homeschooled for 12 years. We mostly traveled 50 weeks a year until I turned 13, my aunt got me a video camera and I just started making things. A couple years later I got my first film into the Nashville film festival, the mutemath guys saw it and asked me to film some stuff for them, One of which was the 8 mm live video of reset I posted in here in another comment. When I graduated high school, literally the day after I graduated, Their lead singer asked if I wanted to go on tour and film. I had gotten into NYU film school, But I immediately said yes. Video blogs weren’t a thing yet, but we definitely made them one. Warner Bros. was only giving them $10,000 for their first music video, which at that time was like hanging someone a five dollar bill. No director would do it, and I think they sensed my hunger for it, so they let me direct it out of necessity. Started my career, got burnt out, retired at 24, Started the band Slow Hands. When we broke up a few years later I missed film so started back up again, now trying to balance film along with my own solo music. \n\nSorry, I know its rambly, as well as full of voice text errors.", "So glad you like it!", "Dont look at me, I upvoted", "My favorite comments are the people that swear the whole video was done with CG and refuse to hear otherwise. Youtube comments are the bottom of society.", "This video was such a cool concept that seemed pretty difficult to produce. and it got me into Mutemath. Their self-titled is still a record I love to this day. Did you happen to always know the band prior to producing their vids?", "With the lost control vid, how did you get the drums to stay together like that?", "The album this song is on is by far my least fav album of theirs. I like some of Odd Soul (loved watching it live), but Armistice/Vitals are my personal favs", "Damn this makes me feel old. Great work.", "Did not expect to see mutemath when I opened Reddit today but I’m very happy that I did. Congrats on being part of such a cool project.", "11/10. We had four rehearsals that went smooth and of course on the “live” take the net of lights got stuck on the ceiling. I’m screaming at the head PA through a megaphone, “JORDAN PUT YOUR WHOLE GOD DAMN WEIGHT ON THAT MOTHERFUCKER”, and he did, all 270lbs of his 6’7” self. It came down at the last second. Regardless, it all sounded like gibberish to the crowd, no one knew what the fuck was going on except for us and the PAs", "That’s the reason for my fascination. Playing the whole song backwards so that it lines up perfectly while seeming so spastic from it being in reverse is so satisfying.", "Well, in the end it was more like $187 because the producer and I were so green we forgot about Catering. Literally scraped our change together for Subway trays.\n\nYeah sure, $300 would be cool, but it was hard enough getting PA’s for $75 a day for rehearsals and shoot day. We needed like 8 of them JUST to hold leaf blowers at the beginning (end of the song), and throw paint at the end, (beginning of the song)", "Still in the business. My wife and I have a film company that specializes in animation. Started it last year, but just signed our 6th client so its growing. Also, my first solo record is being finished, theres just a couple songs left to record with the symphony. My band Slow Hands broke up 4-5 years ago, during the pandemic I started writing/recording with Kate Bilinski over zoom. She designed the audio for the podcast Serial, all my fav Mike Birbiglia stuff, as well as tons of movies. Shes kicked my ass.", "Oh damn I was there fo sho", "Haha! Hopefully you’re still making film.", "Wow, I haven't seen anything quite like that before. I'm sure I'll see some explanation about how you did it if I scroll down; I'm guessing some of it is filmed backwards? But I really like the quirky disjointed feeling of the visuals, it's reminiscent of dreams. Well done!", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMLPyibslI", "The production designer made them out of lightweight plastic", "Paul, the lead singer, met Darren the drummer when Paul was interning for my parents. They were doing a revival at Darrens church in Missouri. They kept in touch after that", "I run a music marketing company in Nashville. Always got work for great animators and film makers. Mind if we connect off reddit?", "You good bro? Let me know if you ever wanna talk.", "Typicallllllllllllll", "Uh oh, what’d Bowen do?", "Same! Haven’t seen them but will always remember this video!", "Haha, we dont have any beef, I just never see him. I did have the pleasure of waking up to DEA agents taking photos of my house once so theres also that", "Honestly if none of your friends are getting attention from the DEA you’re hanging with the wrong crowd.", "Yeah sure, but it was my house.", "for sure, message me!", "My god! That is possibly the most ambitious and ridiculously bad assedly difficult undertaking I have ever heard of. \"Oh yeah, you climb mountains? Well I learned how to sing our hit song literally backwards. \"\n\nhaha well done dude. I can't even imagine directing something like that.", "Dude this is awesome! I always loved this song and video. Congratulations on your talent.", "Drummer here, going bonkers wondering how hard that would be.", "Thanks! In these broke times that means a lot.", "oh god i vaguely remember loving this vid back in highschool days.\n\nknowing the context now makes me wanna ditch my 8-6 and go back to being creative so much.", "One of my favorite bands of all time!", "I apologize in advance for my past behavior. What’s your name if you don’t mind me asking? And because I’m getting tons of trolls, what is the first letter of Bowen and Crocker’s first names", "I absolutely LOVE Mutemath! LOVE this song! LOVE this music video and have watched it so many times! So surreal and impressed. Thank you for your work and creativity.", "Thanks so much. Its great to hear in times like these.", "I loved this video back in the day! Great job, dude.", "because... simply put, the video is amazing on a technical level. Reverse shot without cuts? That's impressive. Good job.", "Sad they all went their separate ways. Never saw them live. Bummer.", "At what point did you realize “Holy shit, this is going to work!”?", "How did you come up with the idea? It’s awesome!", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMLPyibslI", "There is one cut, when he covers the camera. It was 2 AM, and are barely held together light rig wouldn’t work, so we had to make a gametime decision", "/u/Learned__Hand ^^^ 100% What he said.", "Many thanks", "I think you meant to ask OP. Try asking as a reply to the comment link below. You might have better luck. Cheers!\n\n\nhttps://reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rafl85/_/hni2ruo/?context=1", "Ok I get it recorded and edited to play in reverse but how did you get the mouthing the music part. Hard to believe you had them mouth the words backwards", "I love this song and this video, very nostalgic! Nice work!", "Every single part of the song was learned backwards. Drums were the hardest, Lyrics 2nd hardest. Took me about 10 days of constant rehearsals before I got the vocals down. Having to do the mental math of explaining bass/guitar/drums in correlation to the reversed playback about made me cut my ears off.\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMLPyibslI", "once you get the enunciation it becomes easier. Regardless of how its spelled, “Im just the typical” sounds like “Lock de sissay shish ma.” Lots of trial and error.", "[This is what they had to learn.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3828or7OLo)", "man, now my brain is remembering it. the first verse starts with “Hack tu do la me de lay no fi.” Gonna be loopin in my head all night", "[Sounds/looks like it would be a huge amount of work](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3828or7OLo). It's basically like learning an entirely new song, except that it's harder, because it's weird alien music so you can't leverage your familiarity with pop/rock idioms. The singer had to essentially learn an entire song in a foreign language. He said the drummer had it the worst, but I think he's being modest. The timing on the vocal alone would be a nightmare, because it's not regular, on-the-grid like the drums.", "didn't notice it... still good job", "So you basically did tenet 15 years ago! It looks awesome", "Brilliant video! \nAnd great band/song, first time I heard of them. Thanks!", "had never seen that video before - reminds me of this classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT2bg0YTGzU", "Nice. this was prob our biggest “reverse video” inspiration. \n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wqVsfGQ_1SU", "That was great", "Absolutley love Mute Math and incredible that you direced that at such a young age.", "I had completely forgotten about the the pharcyde! Well I guess you've pretty much sorted my playlist for the rest of the week one way or another. Great video btw!", "Thank u!", "Cute. I'm getting Ok Go video vibes from this.", "“Used To”\n\nhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yMDcRUSmRvk\n\nThat’s pretty much the only one I like, although I’ve given them all a listen, I think it’s a great song.", "I remember being so excited to watch this. I’d been following Mutemath for a while by then. I also remember being amazed while watching “making of” videos of how the guys learned the song backwards. The singing was especially impressive! Thanks man.", "ATV off-road fury 4", "Dude….that’s so fucking impressive.", ">Took me about 10 days of constant rehearsals before I got the vocals down.\n\nWait... I thought you were a music video director. Were you a member of Mutemath?", "So lucky.", "Why is it that everything stopped being awesome after 2006?\n\nSomething happened in 2007 I swear", "Also graduated in 2006 and I remember this haha crazy!", "Wow! Excellent vid. Trying to figure out how you did that.", "Totally forgot about this. Was a big fan back in college and man this is a nostalgia trip. Time to give the self-titled album a listen through (Reset fucking slaps)!", "Back around 1985 (I think, it’s very hazy) I remember seeing a show on MuchMusic or possibly on The New Music on CityTV (Toronto). The show featured some of the year’s best music videos from around the world. One of them was a Japanese band (??) and the video was filmed in reverse; it was just the singer writhing around as people threw buckets of paint on him, but because it was in reverse, it was like he was throwing off layers of paint revealing different colors under each successive layer. Very hypnotic!\n\nI have never been able to find this video. It has become an Internet White Whale for me, but I have no idea what it is.", "This video blew my fucking mind when it came out. Seriously, killer song, even better video. Excellent job!", "What was your first idea that got \"shot down\"?\n\nedit: i saw your response below, cheers!", "LMAO", "It definitely wins the \"most creative use of post-its and a bottle of blood\" award!", "How sweet! All three videos made me tear up. I feel the same about my partner. I wouldn't trade him for the world. We met in college and I cannot wait to have our first dance. I hope to have even a fraction of the fun that LaLa and Louise had in their 59 years and 11 months together. It's so sweet that LaLa went through with the plans of making their little utopia they had been talking about after she passed. What a perfect combination of the song and their story. Some things are just meant to be, I guess.", "May be that he was trying to pair the reversed vocals with the timing of what happens in the video, but I'm not sure.", "Saw these guys live with Linkin Park and Incubus in 2012, been a fan ever since. This song always brings back memories of my freshman year.", "Man, massive 2006 vibes. Everyone wanted to be like OKGO so bad.", "I read this title and thought 'that can't be right, Israel directed that music video.' Then I saw your username...needless to say, I've watched this video a lot back when it came out.", "I was an intern at Warner Brothers when this came out. I loved this album, this video and they were legit live. Nice work!", "I still listen to One Time by Earthsuit on a regular basis. And only a few years ago did I learn the connection to Mutemath, pretty cool.", "Haha! Thanks", "Haha! Ol Brandon. It was his first music video, we worked at the same production company together. neither of us knew wtf we were doing.", "https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5DMLPyibslI", "No, but to direct the choreography I had to know the lyrics to tell the 20 PA’s off camera their cues, as well as communicate with the band/lighting cues. How could I direct the lead singer if I didnt know the lyrics myself?", "My favorite memory was both of us realizing we forgot about catering. We were both broke and scraped together change to afford a Subway tray.", "I’m great! Long story, I retired from film around 23-24, was in the band Slow Hands. When we broke up I got back into film. In the midst of all that I developed an opiate addiction that started with a re-aggravated childhood back injury. I went to rehab at the end of 2017. Been much better since then, other than all projects getting shut down due to COVID. That was a blessing in disguise, got me back into music. Finishing up my first solo record. Kate Bilinski, who designs the audio for the podcast Serial, among other amazing movies/shows, helped produce over zoom during the pandemic. She kicked my ass and helped get my brain in the right place.", "That's a great story, I'm glad to hear it. You gained another fan!", "Talked to him today! Love that man.", "Threes an old making of a friend sent me recently", "What the hell, this is awesome!", "Spike Jonze ripoff, right down to the paint \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Qii-8nA5xM", "Yeah, I posted about that earlier. Don’t worry, I talked to him, he was flattered.\n\nIf I remember correctly, he got his inspiration from another reversed video as well", "Gonna be that guy. Saw them live 3.5 years before this video was published in a crowd of maybe 20 people. They still pulled off one the best performances I've ever witnessed. I also don't think they ever got a fair shot early on with some of the legal and marketing shenanigans going on.\n\nAlso, Darren is a fucking beast.", "That had to be one of their first shows ever, right around their first showcase in 2004 we all went to the Curiosa festival together, so its timestamped in my brain. Darren and Paul had played as Math tho, plus the short period where Bface was playing bass. If it was these 4 band members tho, I dont think it could have been more than 2-2.5 years before this vid. I’m really glad I saved all the tapes from filming this era.", "I was looking at the upload date from the channel you posted, which wasn't the same as the release of the actual video. It was 2006 for me, so I'm not as cool as you and totally didn't read the title fully. ha! but it was before this came out, so i still feel cool.", "This video is awesome OP. Well done.", "You wouldn't need to be able to personally perform the lyrics backwards yourself.", "You clearly have never directed a highly choreographed video that took two months of rehearsals, as well as 20 PAs on cues.", "Honestly, in rehearsals In their producers basement. But the first time I saw playback on a botched take was the first time I got chills." ]	196	videos	2006, I was 18, freshly graduated, and paid $300 to direct my first major label video. It shocked us by receiving A Grammy nom for Video of the Year. Despite the hundreds of clips I’ve directed since, it still holds a place in my heart.
https://youtu.be/tEPmiLZfBbg	/r/videos/comments/rafzlt/youtube_dislike_oversight_how_to_manipulate_your/	[ "This is unfortunate really, I saw a lot of videos that talked about it but not too many showing how it is actually done. This is more of a cautionary tale mixed in with some humor. Youtube needs to fix this is some way or fashion because what they are doing is dangerous IMO.", "And how does this help?", "Its basically to show how exactly it would be done. The options, settings, and removal of comments. I can tell you why it's a bad but showing you can be more impactful. It reiterates that YouTube \"Just leave a comment\" is useless because you can put words that automatically delete, or you can simply remove the comment. \n\n\nSo what is the way around this? There isn't one.. You simply have to either wait until someone gets hurt or something important gets damage and hope they file a lawsuit... Or you simply be a Guiney pig and hope that whatever tutorial or video you are watching doesn't kill you. I created this video to show you that it's impossible to now warn people of something dangerous or harmful." ]	3	videos	Youtube Dislike Oversight / How to Manipulate your Videos in 4k.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpjqbvLkPUw&t=1s	/r/videos/comments/ragfm6/vishal_garg_ceo_of_bettercom_lays_off_900/	[ "He is talking about how it’s hurting him. No one cares about what it’s doing to you, dumbass.", "3 months health insurance and a month of severance pay, not bad. Better than any severance package I've received when laid off.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/r8h97i/bettercom_ceo_lays_off_15_of_workforce_over_zoom", "Was he supposed to have 900 individual meetings? It’s a lot better than a letter. They give them something of a severance package, it wasn’t the best but it is more than they had to do for sure. How should he have done it?" ]	4	videos	Vishal Garg, CEO of Better.com, lays off 900 employees via Zoom call. Happy Holidays, everyone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s5x-PNC40o	/r/videos/comments/rahfas/blind_guy_holds_sign_for_entire_u2_show_that_says/	[ "I was gonna watch it but it was like over 5 minutes so I'm gonna assume he did well. Guaranteed he still hasn't found what he's looking for, though.", "And gave him the guitar. Wow.", "Who.. is.. cutting.. fuckin onions! \n\nDamn this hit the feels in a big way. Something about these pull-the-fan-onstage videos always get me. Music has given me so much, I can't imagine how exciting it is for someone like that to get to share such a beautiful moment with someone they admire. Hands down my favorite U2 track too. My dad passed of cancer two months ago and this is one of my most played songs since. Just had the city put a memorial bench for him at his favorite fishing pond and I've listened to this song while sitting there on more than a few occasions already. Kudos to Bono for giving this man a memory he'll never forget!", "I always love it when bands pull people from the crowd. I think Dave Grohl talked about it best. Almost everyone has this fantasy where a band says their guitarist is sick, but if there is someone from the audience who knows all the songs, they can come up and take their place. These moments are the realization of that fantasy and he gets a chance to make it happen. \n\nI think everyone by now has seen \"Kiss Guy,\" but just in case: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjVOWOKa-lY", "Yeah he strummed the chords. Did fine.\n\nAnd honestly I have played guitar my whole life but if you just stuck me up there in front of 50,000 people I probably couldn’t do any better.", "Well I made the post so I can make a blind joke but maybe they couldn't see it", "Is there a sub for fans getting pulled on stage?", "Wow he gave him the guitar afterwards? This is fucking beautiful. Brought tears to my eyes. Class act here.", "/r/happycrowds has a lot of stuff like this", "There is now! \n\n/r/FansOnStage", "My favorite is in Mexico, Jose plays drums for the Killers", "Aha I was at this show, ended up 2nd row in the Pit (on the side). Person in front of me got a setlist, this song wasn't on it. So cool", "/r/crowdpulledonstage\n\nEdit: Sometimes I really don't get reddit - downvotes for answering the question. Are you ok out there?", "[ Jump to 09:00 @ Referenced Video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjVOWOKa-lY&t=0h9m0s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: mwestcc, Video Popularity: 98.30%, Video Length: [09:50])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@08:55](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjVOWOKa-lY&t=0h8m55s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "I've never seen that. That was amazing. Funnily enough, Dave Grohl's face also melted.", "I’ll admit it. I teared up. Damn onions.", "3:12; Bono waves at a blind guy to encourage him. I'm happy for the guy and all, but what the fuck was that?", "Force of habit. He also just played a 2 hour concert at 50 years old, has major fatigue.", "Nobody. You're crying at a video", "\"I gotcha here ... I gotcha ...\"\n\nwalks away silently" ]	21	videos	Blind guy holds sign for entire U2 show that says "Can I Play Guitar". After the last encore Bono invites him on stage to play a song. He dedicates song to his wife.
https://youtu.be/BS6minI8_PY?a	/r/videos/comments/rahpov/1988_ibm_ads_mash_col_potter_meets_trapper_john/	[ "I swear that’s Gene Hackman doing the voice over. He’s done so many commercials….", "That has more exposure of Radar's bad hand than in the entire series.", "It'll never take off.", "It's not.", "I've been watching the show for decades, and I didn't know about Gary Burghoff's hand until recently from a reddit post. It blew my mind that they kept it mostly hidden in the show for so long.", "How do you know?", "I guess Alan Alda was too expensive to hire.", "Good Ads. They knew that geeky character could really sell computers while showing that cretons could use them too.", "Because he never did ads for IBM and I know his voice.\n\nhttps://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000432/otherworks\n\nHere's one by Hackman: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PcluaPLXZLc", "There's a commercial with him in it. Video description says it the upload kept getting rejected if the Alan Alda portion was included.\n\n[His commercial has him canoeing around a flooded office.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4fpR78r4Sg)" ]	10	videos	1988 IBM ads MAS*H Col. Potter meets Trapper John! - YouTube
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rahvu3/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rahvu3/deleted_by_user/	[ "This gave me the chills. Damn", "The video has been pretty badly messed up with what I assume is up-scaling? Buildings look like 3D models with outlines, and morph around.", "Is there a subreddit for footage from the turn of the century?", "Not that i know of, there should be something like \nr/footagefromtheturnofthecentury\n\nAnd we keep recycling it every century.", "r/thewaywewereonvideo", "That's Ypres in Flanders. The tall building with the square is the city center. It's called the Cloth Hall and dates back to the 13th century. An exact copy has been rebuild at the original site. The entire town of Ypres was rebuild after the war.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypres_Cloth_Hall\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypres\n\n> Today, Ypres is a small city in the very western part of Belgium, the so-called Westhoek. Ypres these days has the title of \"city of peace\" and maintains a close friendship with another town on which war had a profound impact: Hiroshima. Both towns witnessed warfare at its worst: Ypres was one of the first places where chemical warfare was employed, while Hiroshima suffered the debut of nuclear warfare. The city governments of Ypres and Hiroshima advocate that cities should never be targets again and campaign for the abolition of nuclear weapons.\n\nSource: I have family in the area.\n\nOther tidbit. Farmers and construction still dig up ordnance on a daily basis. It's called the 'iron harvest' and it's gathered and left along the road for bomb disposal to pick up when they do their rounds. When I was little, I was taught to never ever touch anything rusty/metal when I was outdoors playing while visiting.\n\nhttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest", "Desktop version of /u/0x53r3n17y's links:\n\n * <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypres_Cloth_Hall>\n\n * <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ypres>\n\n * <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_harvest>\n\n --- \n\n ^([)[^(opt out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiMobileLinkBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^(]) ^(Beep Boop. Downvote to delete)" ]	7	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9sAAwMOy74	/r/videos/comments/rai8sv/this_man_was_sent_to_a_psychiatrist_as_a_child/	[ "r/unexpected", "no fat chicks !", "Man liked thicc girls before it was cool", "FUCK YOU!", "I ❤ big butts, can't deny.", "Today he would merely be considered transracial", "Amen brother.", "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shallow_Hal", "Lol it took 5-6 visits to determine this?", "I didn't see that coming at all, this is low-key hilarious.", "That mom's name? Becky.", "hey hey hey why all the hostility I thought you fat people like Santa where supposed to be jolly !!!", "So he has an Oedipus complex", "This is from the [Fat Girls and Feeders](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NDtygpzybHk) documentary. If you are interested in the psychology of fetishes and also the abuse that sometimes can come with them, I recommend it", "It doesn't have to be the mother, it could have been a teacher, an aunt or his friends mom even. However I am not sure if I should be envious of someone like this, on one hand they can find the women they find attractive very easily and date them but on the other hand the girls they like will have way more health issues.", "He was a skilled therapist but he also likes money I'm sure they discovered this the first day then shot the shit for 9 sessions", "Fine. Only fat chicks!", "Worst thing a psychiatrist can do is to pre evaluate and diagnose a patience to early.", "I'm sorry mam there is nothing we can do for him... he likes the badunkadunk", "Cool sentence.", "likes what? didn't get it", "It’s like Stephen King’s Misery. Except there’s a guy instead of a woman. And Twinkies^TM", "Humanity needs to evolve to like fat girls the most, in many ways he’s a pioneer.", "It's always been cool.", "Probably took 1 visit to work out he liked fat girls, and the other ones to make sure he didn't want to use their skins for anything.", "The old Discovery channel logo...", "Not all mothers are as fat as yours.", "It's the first time I heard the phrase \"to grow a wife.\"", "Fat girls", "Thank God I seen this video. I was about to go to a psychiatrist myself", "bro.", "So he wouldnt have patience", "I mean it takes a few sessions to build trust and get confidence that the patient isn't bullshitting...", "Dude be big pimpin at the Ol Country Buffett Sundae Bar. Be all like, girl you better put chocolate, caramel and strawberry sauce on that bitch. Drives an air bagged Suburban to drop it to big booty height. He can haul 3 of them no problem as he dropped a supercharged 454 in there…got the big dual tanks as the A/C is alway on ice chest setting. He doesn’t even have heat in his bedroom, he lives in Minnesota.", "For me maybe, hell yeah. But in general let's just celebrate all the chicks", "They call them patients because you have to show patience as the doctor takes so long to diagnose you that your GBS spreads to your entire body and you need to go on a breathing tube in order to not suffocate to death in your own bed", "It's also a little bit on the hyberbolic side. Like if you took the stance that everyone who was into role playing rape fantasies was pro-rape and supported banning abortion, and made a documentary on it, you'd basically have this documentary.", "It really hasn't been though. In 08 you could lose your entire friend group in high school for being real", "hit me right in the giggles.", "Thicc and fat are very different things", "She's a grower not a show'er", "The mom remains undiagnosed. \n\nOh, but ain't that America?", "They had common interest. Lots to discuss.", "I had already penned in \"kill Someone\" in my mind, and then I got M.Nighted.", "Bro mark is such a disgusting piece of shit", "Same, except in reverse: Stephen King's Thinner", "I feel like calling these women \"fat\" girls is putting it lightly.", "The story behind this video is morbid as fuck. The dude only saw that poor woman as a sex object and basically fed her to death. Even after she died he still talked about her in a really gross, dehumanizing way and kept selling porn videos of her to other feeders. I really hope he didn't find another woman to do the same thing to.\n\nThere's nothing wrong with liking big girls, but what he did was straight up abuse. There's a difference between liking women that are overweight, but still mobile and able to live independently and purposefully making your wife so fat that she becomes trapped in her own body, becomes completely dependent on you, and has to walk on eggshells the rest of her(severely shortened) life to make sure she doesn't piss you off and lose her only safety net.", "https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rai8sv/this_man_was_sent_to_a_psychiatrist_as_a_child/hnteqpn/" ]	50	videos	This man was sent to a psychiatrist as a child
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDdOchBejcc	/r/videos/comments/rai8yd/should_i_keep_fasting/	[ "My dude said it just fell in his mouth", "I love that things like crank calls exist around the world, regardless of where you're from. Humans, at some basic level, are the same everywhere.", "I guess this is during Ramadan? \n\nI was stationed in Bahrain during Ramadan once and we had some guys working on our mansion. Dude was looking at me through the window and I was eating a BIG ASS bowl of cereal. This dude couldn't even swallow his own spit. I felt kind of bad, but his choice.\n\nAt sundown you would go out to eat and everywhere would have dates that you would eat first. I guess they would calm the stomach of those fasting and get their stomachs ready to eat. The other thing was smoking a hookah. They would have them at even something like a Denny's. Nothing like chowing down on a Grand Slam and smoking a flavored hookah.", "These kind of programs are hilarious as fuck. Memri TV content is pure good to the soul.", "dude i belief him,\nthe other day i was supposed to be on a diet,\naccidentally butt-dialled KFC, \nthe lunch menu, and credit card number.\n\ndelivery guy came over, and i tried to tell him to take the stuff away, but he tripped and food exchanged hands.\n\nfrustrated i took it inside thinking i'd just toss it in the bin,\nbut it bounced off the counter, and crispy friend chicken popped into my mouth.", "actually laughing", "So it seems.\n\nSo it seems.", "His face!", "My favorite is the video of [Homies in Syria](https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/video-were-syria-homie-two-3212629)", "Ahhhhh fasting not fisting..", "That was amazing, plays like a comedy skit", "I hate it when that happens", "I grew up In Bahrain. Wonderful memories. \n\nDo you miss that place ? Did u hang out in juffair?", "> I guess they would calm the stomach of those fasting and get their stomachs ready to eat.\n\nAFAIK dates are only eaten first because it is sunnah (i.e. something the Prophet used to do)", "> Do you miss that place ? Did u hang out in juffair?\n\nI did hang out there. It was a nice place. You know as an American I didn't know what to expect. It's a very modernized and forward place in the Middle East. You almost feel like you're in Arizona at times. I had a good time there, but I wouldn't say I miss it. I miss Australia, Japan, Singapore, and Thailand - I'm more of a Far East guy.", "They are used as both a traditional part of Ramadan, and practical, with calming the stomach for a meal after fasting. It's also high in sugar and a couple of essential vitamins.", "Say, how does Bahrain compare to Kuwait? \n\nMy family lived there for a bit in the late 80's, but luckily my father lost his job and we moved to Istanbul before Saddam \"visited\".\n\nMy father was fairly neutral towards it, but my mom hated it and still speaks quite negatively about it. Had quite a few bad experiences and overall I think just found from a social standpoint (especially towards women) the place impossible adjust to coming from Europe.\n\nIs Bahrain similar to other Arabic countries in that region such as Saudi Arabia and Kuwait (extremely conservative) or how does it differ?", "> crank calls", "This is not real though. The caller's voice was added into the video", "Alex the Great conquered the world with dates and goats is the old saying.", "at least he didn't trip onto a mortar \nhttps://www.gloucestershirelive.co.uk/news/gloucester-news/bomb-squad-called-gloucestershire-royal-6298076", "My best Ramadan story was that I worked with this guy that I assumed was Muslim based on his skin colour (I know racist but didn't say anything or change how I acted, because I respect Islam). Anyway I worked with this guy for like 2 months and he told stories about doing molly on the weekend and pounding back shots and getting wasted. Also told two different stories, one about working at Home Depot and offering this woman to build her a gazebo and end up giving her his number and sleeping with her later. And another story of him and his buddy having sex with this girl they knew at the same time in a threesome. \n\nSo obviously I'm thinking \"Oh shit, I am a racist, this guy's a party animal, definitely not Muslim\". Then we have a work BBQ and this guy is like damn I'm so hungry, watching you guys eat those hot dogs and burgers. So I'm telling him, go grab one, they're still serving. And he says \"Nah man, I can't it's Ramadan\". \n\nMy face and the faces of all my coworkers were that of speechless confusion. I didn't really care at all what this guy was doing in his private time, but I'd never met a Muslim who was so particular in which rules they followed." ]	22	videos	Should I keep fasting?
https://youtu.be/grcn_A_QPoQ	/r/videos/comments/raix6w/my_name_is_giovanni_giorgio_but_you_can_call_me/	[ "A young women getting absolutely smashed by the white stuff while Daft Punk is playing. Think I've seen this one before.", "Ayyyyyyee", "How dense do you have to be to not know that's going to happen? If I were that train's conductor I would have been giggling giddy like a school girl as I approached.", "I have always wondered how hard the snow hit the lady in black, she looks like she got pushed back at the end", "Exactly what I thought was going to happen happened so I think this ones on them. How do you look at all that snow on the tracks RIGHT in front of you and not see this coming." ]	5	videos	My name is Giovanni Giorgio but you can call me Amtrak
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/raj1sf/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/raj1sf/deleted_by_user/	[ "I've lost 2 family members in the last year, neither due to COVID, but died because of COVIDiots. I don't want to feel the pain, I don't want to be a better person, I want my family back. I want to be beyond this daily existential dread. I want to feel like there is more to life than waking up, going to work, coming home, and eventually just dying.", "One of the greatest, saddest and most infuriating series I've seen in awhile. This past year alone, I have 4 high school classmates who OD'd.. To Hell for the Sackler family, and political appointees", ">\"And whoever turns away from My remembrance - indeed, he will have a depressed life, and We will gather him on the Day of Resurrection blind.\"\n\nQuran 20:124", "Michael Keaton fucking killing it as always.", "Yeah and in pain we let go the people that caused it. Protectecred byaws and social norms, they get to do the most awful things known to man to another.... And get away with it.\n\nAnd all we want to do is sleep peaceful at night and not remember those.\n\nYou admire a film scene, while real people know why they do what they do. \n\nGood for you." ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2R8aHkEu3NM	/r/videos/comments/rak1w5/jenna_rose_talks_about_being_sexualized_at_12/	[ "Rebecca Black turned out super hot", "Children should NOT be allowed in Hollywood or the music industry. How many more kids need to be raped before y’all get it?", "Just a thought, but wouldn't it be better to get rid of the rapists?", "Who?", "No children shouldn't be. Do away with children!", "Found the rapist", "Yeah, the execs are to blame a lot here. However, the desire to be famous also plays a part. While she shouldn't have been sexualized at fucking 12 years old, she and her parents allowed it to happen.", "No, you see it's fine if adults are raped. We only care about children.", "I remember this video. She was the same one who made the \"[My Jeans](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfxG4p7FBwI)\" song or whatever, both were considered \"so bad it's good\" videos like \"Friday.\"\n\nBut that \"O.M.G.\" video definitely gave off creepy vibes. It was so friggin weird. I hope she finds peace with everything that happened.", "A child can't consent, you fuckstick.", "Do you really think finding legal aged women attractive makes you a rapist?", "This motherfucker really just said a 12 year old allowed it to happen….like she was asking for it because she wanted to be famous. \n \n….man what the fuck.", "So when I thought Salma Hayek was attractive I was a rapist because she used to be 12 years old at some point in time…", "> her parents allowed it to happen.", "“…SHE AND HER parents allowed it to happen”", "some girl with a weird and annoying face", "Ah yes, because wanting to be famous means a 12 yo should be subjected to sexualization. What kind of mental gymnastics are you using?", "Is this meant to be ironic since Abbott said he'd eliminate all rape? It's hard without context to be sure" ]	18	videos	Jenna Rose talks about being sexualized at 12 years old, by the same people who made Rebecca Black famous
https://youtu.be/sWAUrHODRWM	/r/videos/comments/rak40y/liverpool_girl_will_brighten_your_day_up/	[ "So charming. I had a smile on my face the full time. <3", "This is nightmare fuel", "Found the Tory.", "What a beautiful accent and person. Hypnotizing.", "No im an americunt and her accent exudes which craft and monarchy", "She seems great.\n\nAlso a bit naive, and I worry for her with putting all that info about herself out\n\nAlso, who are these guys filming randos", "> monarchy\n\nUhhh I think that particular accent is notably and stereotypically working-class.", "this woman has gone viral because of her smile and awesome accent", "This video is 7 years old. At this point, I think she'll be alright.", "Bet she regrets saying her email address in this video.", "At the beginning she sounds a tat Dutch", "> which craft\n\nI know American English is a bit...special, but come on.", "It's the G sound.", "Well she certainly would have an easy time pronouncing german words.", "Unless she's not checked her inbox in a while. Might be in for a fright", "Its a pun, and this was a joke. Her face look like the joker tho babe", "One of us must be really stupid and not understand puns...can you explain the pun to me please?", "I bet she's a solid friend", "She has 3 jobs aka crafts", "Ah, so it's you that doesn't understand what a pun is.", "Huh? You must be a multiple choice moron who lost all brain cells when your baby sitter came in your ass", "\"ackgwa - it means wata\"", "Im not taking any of your bullshit anywhere" ]	23	videos	Liverpool girl will brighten your day up
https://vimeo.com/653890233	/r/videos/comments/rak866/smells_like_teen_spirit_but_its_carol_of_the_bells/	[ "I'm back this year! Please check out my youtube channel for official HD videos! https://youtu.be/s6Gacjj-6J0", "I really wish Kurt didn't do that", "I love this so much!!!!!", "I love this so much! Great idea and execution!\n\nCan you do the inverse, I wonder..." ]	4	videos	Smells Like Teen Spirit but it's Carol of the Bells
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rakao8/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rakao8/deleted_by_user/	[ "No it isn't", "Why should I listen to this guy right?", "I agree with him. My bank coerced me into giving up my mobile number for 2FA, and then used it to advertise to me. I'm sure they've sold it as well. Since they can tie it to my street address, email and income information, it's probably worth $10. If they were actually concerned about security, then maybe they wouldn't be leaking personal and account information like a sieve from their end.", "I'm privacy-minded but also security minded. Companies might use your 2FA to advertise to you but 2FA is absolutely essential in the modern day from a security POV. Being anti-2FA for privacy reasons is self-defeating because it's far worse to have your account hacked during a security breach than to have Google know your phone number.\n\nIf Google having your phone number bothers you, why not advocate for passing legislation that makes it illegal to use 2FA for advertising, etc? Don't spread anti-security FUD to idiots who don't know any better. Of course, that doesn't get clicks!", "Somebody hit me with the TL:DW" ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ldvxj9qWFLA&	/r/videos/comments/rale1u/the_best_sandwich_ever/	[ "Tl;dw?", "There's only one slice of turkey on that motherfucker.", "Some guy describes getting sandwich. It's possibly the least interesting video on YouTube.\n\nFor comparison, [here's](https://youtu.be/kiXY7ynw6ek) a much more interesting video of grass growing." ]	3	videos	The Best Sandwich Ever
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzfQwXEqYaI	/r/videos/comments/ralrvr/the_superior_version_of_rebecca_black_friday/	[ "This is magnificent!", "I also liked this.", "Where. Where did it go?" ]	3	videos	The superior version of Rebecca Black - Friday
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEQOvyGbBtY	/r/videos/comments/rammj0/the_one_thing_you_legally_cannot_say/	[ "Rip my man", "Link?", "Its such a shame, died blowing himself :(", "He came and he went.", "I just watched a Dolly Parton interview from the 70s linked here, I'm fairly certiain anything filmed and broadcasted in the last 40-50 years is on the internet somewhere. \n\nBut I'll take your word that a vague 90s sketch group did a lesser version of this over 20 years ago.", "There's lots of things that aren't online, there are some things that you can't find anywhere offline too.", "Rip Trevor Moore \\pours bottle of mouth wash on the ground", "Rip king 👑", "Just because you saw something from the 70's linked here doesn't mean everything is on the internet. There is an absolute ton of stuff that is either lost or sitting in a storage cabinet somewhere. Many of the random interviews with people, all but the most popular shows, many commercials.\n\nThere is a lot of stuff I saw as a kid that is simply nowhere to be found.", "F", "> oh summer child\n\nI bet you wear a reddit t-shirt" ]	15	videos	The one thing you legally cannot say.
https://youtu.be/yeIw4oiDE7Y	/r/videos/comments/ranolr/should_we_can_cancel_marylin_manson/	[ "Maybe people should worry about living their own lives vs interfering in the lives of others.", "I haven't listened to Marilyn Manson since the 1990s. Isn't that enough?", "It was probably 01-02 for me. I like to think it's enough.", "What would they do with the 10 hours they waste each day on the internet though?", "Maybe '01 is more accurate. I did listen to Holy Wood once. Really, I always had a hard time caring about anything after Antichrist Superstar.", "Yeah man, and let’s “cancel” AC/DC while we’re at it….and drowning pool….", "He's a Saint! Manson is a Saint! \n\nHow dare you! His edgy music made me feel like my rage had meaning when my parents were having a divorce and my mom conspired to made my father destitute from every penny he had! All the boys in my class were wearing jock shit and I wore black that reflected my heart and my soul! Mommy was a bitch and Marylin Manson knew.\n\nHE IS A SAINT! SO WHAT IF HE IS A NARCISSISTIC ANDROID DRUG ADDICT WOMAN ABUSER??\nHE MADE ME FEEL GOOD IN MY TEENS!!", "I see no problem here" ]	10	videos	Should we can cancel Marylin Manson?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fQwwvb7CRc	/r/videos/comments/ranpgp/i_remember_watching_this_when_i_was_8legendary/	[ "Last I heard he ded", "These started coming out right in between The Fast and the Furious and The Fast and The Furious 2, and good lord were my and my friends addicted.\n\nThe counter-cultures were skateboarding and in our minds street racing. This guy was a fucking hero.", "Yeah, this guy and Tekademics/mischief3000", "Idiots.", "Patrik Furstenhoff is fine" ]	5	videos	I remember watching this when I was 8...legendary ghost rider runs in Sweden
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ranrpu/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/ranrpu/deleted_by_user/	[ "Shit happens all the time in America that no one gives a shit about. Not giving shit is a human trait.", "Tortured to death and burned in the parking lot by a mob for taking down a poster. So glad I'm not part of that \"society\".", "Shiiiiit that’s called life", "The religion of peace", "The video implies that the investigators I think that blasphemy may have been the given reason for killing this person when in fact it may have been for a different more personal reason. Either way I've seen this kind of thing in villages in Africa and jungles in Brazil but I've never seen it in front of a big office building like that.", "I feel like there is usually an ulterior motive for lynchings like this. \n\nI’m not 100 percent religion but it’s so hard watching stuff like this and not just feel so discouraged.", "Oh the it didn't happen in America so no one cares crap. If I could fly out of my window with my super human strength and invulnerability to ~~Sri Lanka~~ Pakistan I would. What do you want to happen? A U.S. occupation? That never ends well.I'm sorry that happened. Messed up things happen here as well. Not as often per capita, I would hazard a guess. I gotta tell ya, nobody gives a shit what happens in the U.S. either, especially our government. \n\n\nEdit: Country name.", "“No one cares because it didnt happen in America” lol what kind of horseshit caption is that. People have been killing eachother in Pakistan for 1000 years over stuff like this", "Happened in Pakistan though.", "Ah, youtube title says Sri Lankain man and I made a connection to the terrorist attacks there a few years ago and was like oh no not again.", "Fair enough. Just out of interest what are you doing with your super human strength and invulnerability?", "that statement downplays how truly fucked up this is, we would most definitely give a shit about people being burned alive and tortured in the streets. this is next level horrifying shit", "Ah, so god is cool with torture and burning people alive. Religion is wonderful isn't it.", "Would we though? We don't seem to care about 750,000 dead Americans from covid. Not enough to actually do enough about it, so would we care?", "Burning people alive? My friend. That's his fucking hobby.", "People aren’t gonna be happy no matter what. Americans care, but the US isn’t going to take action, so people say we don’t care. I agree with it not taking action. It’s a crappy issue, but isn’t USA’s problem to solve.", "Yeah and in America we have our own religious wackos doing their own fucked up shit to our citizens", "Y'all Qaeda: White Trash Terrorists", "Is this an actual news broadcast, though?", "Spend a month in Pakistan and get back to me about how bad America is", "I'm not saying America is bad you moron. It's simply why no one gives a fuck about other countries religious fucktards... is because we have our own, but in Christian form.", "Okay well the Islamist wackjobs that control every aspect of life in Pakistan do more heinous things in a week than any American wackos have done in a decade. Your outrage is strange", "Outrage? You made a straw man argument. By your response, you didn’t even comprehend my comment." ]	24	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/6gBV-Nzq7Pg	/r/videos/comments/raogi1/sturgill_simpson_turtles_all_the_way_down/	[ "I love me some breakfast sausage", "Jesus I hate country music.", "Jesus doesn’t care what you think", "But... the mic isn't plugged in.", "This harkens back to a great era of country music. Sorry you don't get to enjoy it. Kinda like hating a flavor. Whole swaths of delicious food that you'll never get to enjoy. \\shrug\\", "They're also not flying through an interdimensional worm hole.", "Fuck. That's heavy, man.", "Great shit. Waylon Jennings would be proud.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuFZElUoKG8&list=PLx4yYrpSLMPpKLD_guW7zJOnM4uk2i3l6\n\nSound and Fury. Whole album is amazing.", "Not availble in my country, but still gets an upvote. Wonderful and beautiful song!", "Album-length anime music video is on Netflix.", "He's just that good.", "The first time I heard this song was during Sturgill's acoustic [NPR Tiny Desk Concert](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5cMqD0WqYE) and honestly I like that version better.", "Still true!", "You're hubris! I grew up with this whiny complaining music. The only kid at square dances where my parents called. Probably a decade of that flavor and only that flavor. Shrug", "I grew up with in a country music loving area too and never liked it. Until I started listening to “alternative” country / Americana / whatever you want to call it. Sturgill is one of the best. This isn’t Blake Shelton.", "> You're hubris! \n\nI am? Sweet!\n\n> I grew up with this whiny complaining music.\n\n\\facepalm\\", "LOL I love Dad humor." ]	14	videos	Sturgill Simpson - Turtles All The Way Down
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9QIBcxR6c	/r/videos/comments/raon29/bill_hicks_rare_1988_performance_rip/	[ "I liked Alex Jones better when he was Bill...", "I love Hicks, there is a movie about his life that was amazing.", "The famous documentary, Ninja Bachelor Party?", "If you want to understand what made Hicks a great comedian it's probably better to listen to people speak of him who were alive to observe his comedy rather than going back and watching his old act. To watch him now, I mean... does anyone find this funny?", "As much as I liked Bill Hicks, I always found his sections about his girlfriend creepy as fuck", "He was the smartest incel ever to release 4 albums of rapidly decreasing quality.", "This particular set? Some parts, but basically all of these bits are parts of much better bits but shortened and cramped together way too much for such a short set, so they lose a lot of what made them funny.\n\nBut listening to Hicks today and still laugh my ass off? Yes, very much so. His Arizona Bay and Rant in E-minor albums are still to this day among the greatest, and much of the material as relevant as it was back then.", "It's a lot of jaded for 27 years", "Yes exactly - all comedians hail Bill Hicks as so great.\n\nI always thought he was simply bitter and had an audience that liked bitching and whining. Cause that's all he did - just like Louis Black", "rARe fOOtaGe!!!!", "suckin satans pecker", "Internet edgelords studied Hicks like they were trying to get a Masters, and then ruined all his material by trying to replicate it. \n\nIn his time, he was a master. And I dare say his philosophy still stands, if one can stop looking for a reason to be outraged long enough to absorb it direct from the source, in context, as presented. \n\nHowever, this is definitely not his best showing.", "Found the Carrot Top fan.", "You should listen to his Rant in E-minor album then. It's mostly from the last set he toured with before his death. \n\nAlmost no anger and bitterness in it, pure comedy gold. He had also stopped drinking and gotten his life in order by then, hmm, it's almost like those two things have something to do with each other.", "Rant in E-minor is still up there as one of my favorites as well." ]	14	videos	Bill Hicks Rare 1988 Performance - R.I.P.
https://youtu.be/hsQ7Vcx9ct4	/r/videos/comments/raoner/elton_john_your_song_power_metal_cover/	[ "This is amazing", "Right though? Wasn’t expecting that at all", "Right?", "is it really though? i mean if you have the perspective of liking power metal, then this sounds more like meatloaf with more solos. Is that a bad thing? that's not for me to decide, but i will say, it definitely isn't power metal.\n\nHeavy AOR maybe, but definitely not Power Metal", "Love it. Your Song was our first dance song.", "As much as I love the art of shred, this singer is low-key incredible.", "Clicked for Jack Black. Stayed for amazing." ]	7	videos	Elton John - Your Song (power metal cover)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pipmGRNjo0	/r/videos/comments/raptel/5g_search_for_the_truth/	[ "Look. Making fun of these kinds of people only serves to further alienate them. I'm not against that, but if you're going to go through the trouble, you'd better at least be funny", "“Do you have a job?”\n“Yeah, it’s this”\n“Is it full time?”\n“No, part-time”\n“What do you do with the other part of the time?”\n“I’m into the crypto”\n\n🤣", "I honestly don't understand how people like Adrian can't comprehend the illogic of the rhetoric they spout. He even points it out how it doesn't make sense and she seems to just get lost at what point hes trying to make. Is it an education gap? Or are they just to deep to see any type of arguement that refutes there viewpoint", "I'm not sure if it's education as there are plenty of doctors and scientists that subscribe to this stuff. They don't understand that the effort required to pull off these conspiracies is so great that no government is capable.\n\nIt's also much harder to convince a fool that they are being fooled than to fool them in the first place.", "They have a strange mentality. The scientific way of approaching truth is to let the facts guide you. Their approach is to start with a conclusion and then look for facts that support it. I assume that in his mind, the fact that his rhetoric doesn't make sense doesn't mean he's wrong but just that he hasn't found the facts that support his view yet", "That is _literally_ the theme of the video.", "The research I'm familiar with on conspiracy theories seems to suggest it's not an education gap, but that their thinking is heavily warped by motivated reasoning. In other words, how they reason about the situation is informed by an external motivation.\n\nThis could be because, for example, their identity is so heavily based on a conspiracy that they've developed what amounts to effectively defense mechanisms to protect themselves from conflicting evidence and reasoning. It would be incredibly costly for them to admit they were wrong. They would lose friends, have to admit years of work was for nothing, etc...\n\n It turns out that people are really, really good at this sort of thing, and everyone engages in some form of motivated reasoning from time to time, it just usually isn't so starkly obvious. \n\nUnfortunately, it also makes it very hard to change their minds. You can't educate someone out of motivated reasoning.", "She’s a nutter, but gotta love that she’s a good sport.", "I didn't get that far. I didn't think the guy was very funny", "It seems like they don't have the tools to fully describe why they believe it, and blame that instead as a sort of mental preservation. \n\nIt boils down to they believe, and whatever bits they find convincing enough to make them believe doesn't convince others. It's a lack of faith rather than a lack of fact to them", "It's the same reason that people can believe in an all-knowing all-seeing bearded sky dude with magical powers, despite all evidence to the contrary.", "\"I'm in the process right now of fine-tuning my whole body to be a didgeradoo.\" I'm dead.", "The lack of knowledge and the science-y sound of the words, in their mind, make it sound super smart.\n\nYou have to look at it from a stupid persons perspective.\n\nEveryone else's argument is just as valid as their own because it sounds the same in their mind in terms of just how logical or illogical it is." ]	14	videos	5G Search For The Truth
https://youtu.be/hrp8rtdkg8c	/r/videos/comments/rapw1x/guy_kills_a_couple_speakers_with_a_10hz_tone/	[ "I almost played this through my best speakers!", "Y tho", "Frequency doesn’t really matter here. It’s the amplitude of the wave that causes the speaker to break.", "so volume?", "Yes, kind of. Volume is perception of amplitude." ]	5	videos	Guy kills a couple speakers with a 10hz tone
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zk872ERRVxA&t=871s	/r/videos/comments/rar9j9/how_a_nytimes_reporter_collects_royalties_from/	[ "What a shitbag!", "Tl;dw?", "Holy shit this was well done, and well articulated. Surprisingly gracious too, given the dirtbag antagonist in the story. I hope it gets a lot of views.", "NYTimes author Ian Urbina is scamming hundreds of artists out of rights to their songs and now he gets paid instead of them through a shell production company set up by his wife\nEdit: is scamming not scammed", "Wow", "Former* NYT employee, no?\n\nSeems like an important distinction to make:\n\nhttps://www.nytimes.com/by/ian-urbina", "print \"version\" https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ian-urbina-ocean-outlaw-1267345/" ]	7	videos	How a NYTimes reporter collects royalties from hundreds of musicians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bzQYKm3xTA	/r/videos/comments/rarj9j/rare_giant_phantom_jellyfish/	[ "That is amazing.", "Absolutely crazy", "How big is it actually?\n\nI can tell a bit from the marine snow and judge off of other videos, but it would be cool to get a measurement", "Wonderful but please reshoot this with a banana in frame.", "That's fuckin beautiful.", "From the video description: \"The bell of this deep-sea denizen is more than one meter (3.3 feet) across and trails four ribbon-like oral (or mouth) arms that can grow more than 10 meters (33 feet) in length.\"\n\nSo by sea jelly standards its huge, especially with such mass. Other jellies may have longer arms and tentacles, but they are mostly extremely thin wisps compared to this imposing figure.", "Thanks. Its both super impressive, and terrifying. As with other videos like this, it makes you wonder about what is in the deep ocean that we haven't seen.", "what kind of material are those jellyfish arms? They look like silk dancing in the wind.", "How does it protect itself from being eaten by predators? Is it poisonous, or does it sting?", "But then i don't know how far the banana is away from it. Just put it on top of its \"head\".", "It's funny how some of the things in the depths of the sea, are weirder than anything you'll see in science-fiction.", "Add that to the lists of things I hope never eat me.", "And maybe a coke can next to the banana so we know how big the fruit is", "So, is that orange colouration pigmentation or is it being produced by some form of internal light source?", "We don’t know much about it at all.", "Such weird brainless creatures.. weird existence if I think about it", "Other than the pulsing of the bell, does it have any control over the rest of its body? Are those ribbons just drifting? Does it even \"control\" the bell part or is that just some reflexive thing that happens perpetually throughout its life? Does it steer?", "Beautiful ❤️", "It's head is approx 3.3ft (1 metre) in diameter and it's \"mouth-arms\" are probably more than 33ft (10 metres).\n\n[Article here.](https://bgr.com/science/this-video-of-a-giant-phantom-jellyfish-with-33-foot-arms-will-haunt-your-nightmares/)", "I've had nightmares about being near something like that under water.", "they are made of jellyfish", "living so deep that your phone number is 7", "Who needs Aliens. Earth is so weird!", "plasma reactor inside :)", "someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is the species of this creature: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanea\\_nozaki", "Stygiomedusa gigantea genus, according to [this](https://curiosmos.com/scientists-spot-rare-giant-phantom-jellyfish-with-33-feet-long-mouth-arms/) article.", "Looks like a metroid", "Dementor Jellyfish" ]	28	videos	Rare Giant Phantom Jellyfish
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rasvwy/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rasvwy/deleted_by_user/	[ "What a shitty video. Thanks.", "Terrible", "Worst editing I've seen in a long time. Absolute trash.", "Disliked, downvoted." ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjL4TZse6hs	/r/videos/comments/rat0un/solved_21_year_old_missing_persons_case_erin/	[ "This video was amazing, thank you for posting I will be definitely checking out more of his videos", "remeber that solving a crime litterally mean do the job cop should have long done.\nI actually think this guy got a huge idea. what he does deserve an actual patreon and it is blessed work yet as i watched some videos of his basically has an endless supply of jackpot video cause he litterally dive 20 min max at time before inevitably come up and go \"yep it is down here\"", "Issue is not all Police Departments have the resources. 20 years ago they didn't have affordable sonar and they probably don't have enough waterways to justify buying one.", "Oh man. This a heartbreaking video. Did not expect to watch the whole thing but it was just captivating.", "i am pretty sure they would had kind of succes by trowing a rope with magnet tied to it or just ask for volunteers help.", "Wonderful.. just watch it ..You won’t regret it.\n\nAll the negative things we read and see each day, my house went silent for the night after seeing this.", "Would there be anything left of the bodies after 20 years?", "why can't we see their skeletons in the car?? it looks empty when they drag it out", "In this specific case it was definitely because the Sheriff responsible for the case literally gave up and just started praying to God instead:\n\n--------------------------------------------------------------\n[original comment by /u/DistortoiseLP](https://old.reddit.com/r/news/comments/rajyxe/youtube_scuba_driver_finds_missing_teenagers_erin/hnizvbn/)\n\nSo I went to read [these](https://www.wkrn.com/news/local-news/i-prayed-for-this-for-years-car-of-missing-white-county-teen-found-in-12-feet-of-muddy-water/) [articles](https://www.newschannel5.com/news/white-county-cold-case-brings-new-answers-with-found-car) about it after watching the clip.\n\n>“The rumors were they went missing from a party down on the west end of the county,” said Sheriff Page. “That they had been at that party at night. I actually got into the file and really got to reading and discovered that they went missing from her house, which is Highway 84 here in White County.” \n> \n>Sheriff Page pointed Sides in the right direction. Within hours, Foster’s black Pontiac Grand-Am was found 12 Feet underwater covered in silky mud.\n\nWhat do you mean you got to \"reading the file?\" You didn't find them with rumors for 21 years, then somebody actually reads the facts and find them hours later by following their movements from the place they were last seen?\n\n>“He done what nobody had done before — got in that part of the water and just found the car,” said Sheriff Page. “I prayed for this for years. I prayed that God would help me bring closure to White County and these families that miss their loved ones so much.”\n\nSomebody showed up to actually look for these kids and found them immediately, because you spent the whole time since they disappeared praying?\n\n>“I give God the Glory,” said Sheriff Page. “I prayed for this, asked God to help me find these teens, to give closure, to help his family finally be able to put this to rest.”\n\nI'm stunned this guy isn't from an Onion article.", "The bones aren't going to stay in position like in the movies. Also note that when they pull the car out, the windows are broken open, the divers have probably extracted their remains before pulling the car out.", "I am having trouble understanding the sonogram pictures. Why is there a yellow and red line top to bottom? https://youtu.be/AjL4TZse6hs?t=508 Why is the picture mirrored?", "I think you might be taking him a little too literally. They were no doubt looking hard for these kids, saying ‘I was praying we’d find them’ in no way means ‘and I wasn’t doing anything else’.", "He didn't even read the report. He literally wasn't doing anything else.", "I was trying to think of that too but I’d take a guess that it’s just bones spread all over the car", "Thanks for making me discover this amazing channel!", "They were not looking, they never looked, they didn't give a shit. Don't lie for the cops.", "It's called a side scan. The yellow line is the centre line, the red line is an artifact, probably aeration from either the engine or the transponder moving through the water. its not mirrored he is just going directly over the car so you see it on both sides. The sonar scans perpendicular to the movement of the boat and what we are looking at is a composite of the information it has recorded. The orange stuff at the sides is the river bed, with the car clearly shown sticking out from it. Notice how only the top of the car is red, and the \"sides\" are black; This is a shadow created by the angle and these shadows are mainly what you look for when finding something on the riverbed.\n\n[Here is an extremely crude diagram](https://imgur.com/nV2Zgtd)", "think i get it now. Thank you!", "In your post, you wrote that the sheriff poured over the evidence in the case and pointed the diver to the probable location the car might be found in, leading to the car being found. \nSounds like damn fine police work to me. I would hardly call that ‘just giving up and praying to god’.", "The sheriff literally poured over the evidence and pointed the diver to the correct location where the car might be found, leading to the discovery. Hardly ‘not looking’, and hardly ‘not giving a shit’. \n\n> Don't lie for the cops.\n\nLol, Reddit.", "I was wondering the same thing; the windows were up at the time of discovery. When the car was being pulled out of the water, the windows were down. I assume that their remains were collected.", "Sheriff: \"Don't call anybody else\"\nHow eerie!", "I'm guessing he didn't want a media event.", "Were they on an Unsolved Mysteries or something back in the day? I never lived in TN, but I recognize their pictures for some reason. What an incredible find.", "This guy seems a lot more genuine than the other channel that goes and does this type of thing.", "I love this growing trend of divers on Youtube going out and trying to solve cold cases. It's fascinating work, and brings much-needed closure to grieving families. With so much crap in the world, videos like these are a bright light.", "For those curious: \n\"Investigators relayed to NewsChannel 5 that the rusted structure of Pontiac was pulled from the river and is basically intact, with human remains found inside the vehicle.\"\n\nhttps://www.newschannel5.com/news/white-county-cold-case-brings-new-answers-with-found-car", "Probably just wanted to run the tags himself to be 100% certain before he went any further with anyone else.", "Why didn't they find it earlier? No relatives who cared? Wasn't the police making some effort? Is the search area so vast? Wouldn't the car have left its mark where it veered off the road? My only point of reference is \"true crime\" documentaries where they find part if a jacket in some forest.", "Can someone explain to me what it is that these guys do that the cops can't even though they had the advantage of investigating the disappearance very early on, not 20 years later? It's almost like the cops would rather this not be solved than solved and have it proven the cops knew nothing about it and that they really never tried that hard?\n\nThere was another video where the cops just wanted to be shown where to look, and then had to call them to show it AGAIN. Are the divers/search teams police departments employ/contract just that incompetent???\n\nWhy arent the law enforcement agencies just contracting these guys then?", "Holy shit! A YouTuber went out and just solved two 21 year old missing persons cases? This is kind of unbelievable", "Yeah didn't throw a pissy-fit when the sheriffs office wanted to pull the car out without his assistance like a normal person.", "I was probably done to let water out as well. I'm sure those doors are rust-welded to the jams.", "This is very much a \"last place you search\" thing. The guy had been in contact with the police and probably asked them where they had searched. So he then went the extra mile and started searching all the \"long shot\" locations he could think of. This is possible for him since this is the only thing he has to focus on, while the police has a thousand other duties they also have to deal with.\n\nIt looks sorta \"stupid\" in a video like this since he just goes out and searches three spots and finds it, but the police probably searched a ton of other more likely spots following evidence and clues gathered in their investigation.", "They looked for a long time, but it was a random road by a river and may have bee raining that night, covering up tracks. I think the initial thought was they ran away together so maybe they didn't look for a crash site right away.\n\nAnd with how close that road was to the river, if they lost control and went straight in, tracks may have been minimal.", "Right, or get anyone else's hopes up. They might have had false positives before. Smart move.", "Yeah, that would likely lead to media crews swarming the families before they could even properly investigate. Seems sensible to keep it low key for a while.", "The new sonars available these days work very well. These guys and some others use multiple types at the same time very successfully. Tech did not exist at the time of disappearance.", "The remains were pulled from the vehicle before it was removed from the river to prevent any undo damage to them. Notice that all the windows are broken when they lift it, but were in good condition when it was underwater.", "I am gonna assume the current sheriff was not sheriff 20 years ago... And probably has lots of more recent things to spend his time on then cold cases.", "This is amazing!", "I originally thought that they intentionally broke the windows out to be able to run straps through and under the roof of the car, but seeing that the straps ran under the back axle and were hooked on the front, I'd say just pressure from the lifting.", "Makes sense. Great points. Thanks!", "Cut to twenty years time when a YouTube diver is convicted of dumping a car full of bodies into a river so they can find it later.", "Busting the windows also helps water escape more quickly as the car leaves the water, making the lift easier.\n\nBut yes, windows being down is almost guaranteed to be to collect what they can before transporting the vehicle. Can't imagine sticking the car on a trailer with contents unknown, having something bust open because of a bad bump (rusted cars 20 years underwater probably can't handle the same road bumps they used to) and then realize that a bone might have fallen onto the highway. it was an open case after all, which makes the car underwater a crime scene.", "Right? And he seems like a genuine good guy too, not a typical annoying YouTuber", "It's great but also tells you that if someone goes missing don't expect the police to find them.", "The Sheriff would go through their Public Relations department and make all those calls. First to the family, then to the press.", "Well they ran the plates so they knew they had the car.", "How many people do you know that own SONAR, diving equipment, and a boat?", "Very true, but still had to confirm they were inside.", "I don't know any, but I'd certainly hope the police do! Is Tennessee a particularly deprived area of the US?\n\nAnd the sonar made it easier, but if you had some candidate sites (like the guy in the video did), I imagine some dozens of people with long sticks could have found the car as well.\n\nAfter what /u/heartofitall wrote, sounds like \"search area\" was more the issue, especially as part of the effort was directed at investigating other explanations. But I'm still missing an explanation why this didn't happen in 21 years. From the NewsChannel 5 article:\n\n> \"Every so often a case will pop up where somebody just vanishes off the planet and they disappear in their car. That’s an immediate red flag that chances are, they went into a body of water somewhere,\" Sides explained.\n\nAnd this guy isn't an expert, so the people investigating this case must have had the same thought. Did he just get lucky searching the right place from a large area? This was only the second video.", "If we’re thinking of the same episode then that sheriff is a bitch. He was all upset that they were getting shown up because someone else found them. Dude was more worried about his image than the poor people inside the car.", "Thanks, that explains why they didn't find them immediately afterwards.\n\nIt's just hard to imagine they didn't get the same idea as this amateur:\n\n> \"Every so often a case will pop up where somebody just vanishes off the planet and they disappear in their car. That’s an immediate red flag that chances are, they went into a body of water somewhere,\" Sides explained.\n\nI mean, he even came up with places to search, and found it on his second video. Did he get extremely lucky, could this have gone on for 10 more videos?\n\nEdit: another comment suggests that they did in fact perform similar searches, and gave the last remaining \"long shot\" candidates to this guy.", "Yeah, it's crazy. The NewsChannel 5 article quotes him saying \n\n> \"Every so often a case will pop up where somebody just vanishes off the planet and they disappear in their car. That’s an immediate red flag that chances are, they went into a body of water somewhere,\" Sides explained.\n\nIs that such an outlandish idea? Or why didn't the police think of that?", "You can literally find old reports and footage of them searching fields and a lake and river on the other side of town. This location happened to be one not really suspected at the time being. Some of you redditers watch too many movies and have no idea how difficult a search can be when you have little to no clues.", "Finally, this sounds kind of plausible, if he was in contact with the police before. Still disappointing they didn't exhaust the search locations, though.", "u/JoJoRockets52 & u/swizzler both care more about image than the people inside the car too.", "Oh yeah, there weren't any untarnished heroes in that video, but there are clear liability concerns when dealing with situations like that, it's fine to play detective and help them out, but once you call it in it's the depts job. If the guy turned out to be incompetent and something goes wrong, than that's an avoidable lawsuit waiting to happen. If the sheriffs office is incompetent and something goes wrong, still a lawsuit, but at that point it's a situation of their own making.", "- \"How many cold cases did you help solving?\"\n\n- \"157.\"\n\n- \"Wow, in what ... 5 years or so?\"\n\n- \"Nono, just yesterday. I got lucky, I guess.\"\n\n- \" ... yyyyyyeah.\"", "That was super interesting to watch! It's kinda like treasure hunting except you're looking for bodies, I guess.\n\nIn this particular case, would he get any kind of financial reward for what he did? I do hope people going out of their way to solve cold cases can expect a little something for their troubles. (and his gear doesn't seem cheap at all but I'm not a connoisseur)", "So did the two die in a car accident?", "They probably did, but most sheriff's departments don't have the dive equipment/team to look in every possible body of water in a county. This Youtuber got extremely lucky and it is amazing.", "Also, technology improves a lot in 20 years", "Tennessee is somewhat deprived, but this case was 20 years ago, technology was worse quality/not as accessible then, and the police have other cases to work on, too.", "I cant imagine the pay commercial (?) scuba divers get with police departments make, especially with all that equipment, a van, a boat, etc. And then there's this guy who has all that but just does it as a hobby / for youtube. Pretty unique if you ask me.", "It’s a money and manpower thing with the police dept. Unless we’re talking LA or NYC with huge amounts of personal, smaller cities and towns don’t have it in their budget to endlessly search and pay out OT. They may call a state or federal level entity (think ATF,FBI) for extra help, but they are in the same predicament with not enough personal and endlessly paying OT. \n\nPD are almost all union gigs and it’s a no-no to give out work to someone who’s not also in a police union. I work for a FD and when we can’t fill details, we never hire a private contractor. It’s always another union Firefighter from another dept.", "Couple things, that dude was way too excited to be searching for dead bodies in the first half. And second, why were the windows broken when they pulled the car up but seemingly intact during the dive video?", "no, this is just a cover up by the illuminati", "I do know our emergency management team did get a nice grant to get a boat with similar electronics and submersible drone to try to find drowning victims and what not and sometimes they get called states away(our local team is apparently really good) but even then, they can search for a week and not find someone who went missing in a body of water they know they went missing in.", "Also, in their defense, sonar tech twenty years ago is primitive compared to what is available today.\n\nI don't know about commercial cutting edge equipment, but twenty years ago a reasonably good sonar system mostly just showed pixelated blobs of noise indicating a potential object (could be a tree, school of fish, bolder, reflections from a hard bottom, etc.). \n\nToday a reasonably good sonar system looks like what you see in the video (i.e. you can almost tell what kind of car it is). I expect there will be a lot of interesting things found in the near future as everyday recreational boaters and fisherman get access to affordable high quality sonar imaging.", "The area was so large, some dozens of people with long sticks wouldn't have found it?", "Can confirm, had family that was into amateur bass fishing. In the 90's even some of the expensive sonar systems looked like a blurry, noisy, pixelated line-graph. Reading them was like a black art; if you knew what to look for you could find objects like underwater bridges, brush piles, boulders, etc. but there was almost no certainty. Even an object something turned out to be nothing (noise or repeat bouncing off hard bottoms caused distortions).\n\nFlash forward to today, and you can almost tell what kind of car was on the bottom. There have been massive improvements in sonar imaging the past two decades. It's like comparing a modern smartphone to those briefcase car phones.", "Sorry but this also looks really bad on them: \n\nDive team that found missing Iowa man's body might sue for $100,000 reward\n\nhttps://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/2020/12/15/ethan-kazmerzak-body-iowa-man-missing-since-2013-found-oregon-dive-crew-adventures-with-purpose/3902384001/\n\n>\"This is a real-life treasure hunt,\" said Jared Leisek, who owns a media company and runs the Adventures with Purpose YouTube Channel. \"There's $100,000 on the line if you can find Ethan.\"", "[appearantly](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rat0un/solved_21_year_old_missing_persons_case_erin/hnll91k/)", "You're right. They should definitely pay out of pocket for everything they do. Shame on them for thinking that reward was theirs to take. If they can't afford to help people out, they shouldn't be helping people. Jared is obviously a horrible human being.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n/s you damn kook.", "I've been on scene for dozens of vehicle water recoveries. For safety reasons, as little as possible is done while the vehicle is submerged. Occasionally, the recovery will be halted before it actually goes on the truck, but mostly it's just secured and taken to a specialized storage facility that is set up for evidence recovery. If any remains are immediately obvious on scene, they may be collected, but not usually. I'm kind of stumped about the windows, never heard of breaking them out for recovery, but different agencies will have different procedures.", ">I cant imagine the pay commercial (?) scuba divers get with police departments make\n\nI worked with two agencies that did water recovery. The divers were actually sworn officers that did it as an additional duty. As far as I remember it was mostly a token hazard pay addition. They seemed to mostly be in it for the experience. This was a medium size agency, I imagine smaller ones can't afford to have full-time dive teams.", ">\"As you can imagine, with pledges seven years after the fact, there would've been businesses that pledged that are no longer in business,\" Staley said. \"People that pledged that are no longer alive, people that pledged whose financial situations have severely changed.\"\n\nSeems like a pretty reasonable take as to why people can't afford a reward that wasn't even renewed. Better sue these people for all they're worth while still maintaining you're not in it for the money.", "Jared turned down a TV show ($$$$$$$) so he could do things his way. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nIt's not about the money, and fuck you for thinking it is.", "It is about money or he wouldn't be suing...", "Because they broke the windows to recover the remains, and to allow water to drain quickly from the car.", "I felt an upvote wasn't enough to say that I agree wholeheartedly. I totally get why the divers in that video were a little miffed. Those sheriffs wanted to take it over and act like they were the ones who had accomplished the feat, going so far as to try and remove the divers from the situation entirely.", "You make a great point about liability and stuff, but they were fully taking over the situation like they were the ones that had pulled it off. They wanted to be the ones that told the family that they had found them, etc, at that point the divers that found them just wanted to have a moment with the family.\n\nEdit: maybe we're talking about different events, because someone below is talking about them seeking a 100,000 dollar reward, which doesn't seem like the situation in the video I watched where the sheriffs took over kind of rudely. \n\nIf there was a reward posted for finding them, though, then I too would want that reward.", "do the authorities not own a sonar and boat? or is this something about not finding them 20 years ago and once its a \"cold case\" funds aren't allocated to the search and nobody even tries? I am trying to understand how this amazing guy was able to do it on his own, are the more videos than the actual find where he shows how he got the tips and locations and how the search was refined? super amazing job by this man and super amazing for the families to finally have closure.", "Also no need to lift however many thousand pounds of water it was holding lol", "Looked like a really shitty angle for them to remove the car from. Boom is way out over the road/river and the bank is steep. Wonder if they confirmed remains but needed to drain as much water as they could to get the car up without worrying about the crane tipping.", "bones in clothes?", "bones still in their clothes!?", "Veering off the road seems like one likely possibility, but I haven't read any suggestions that it was a murder-suicide by the driver of the Pontiac. Or, the two kids were parked and a Zodiac-type guy shot them both and pushed the car?" ]	92	videos	SOLVED 21 Year Old Missing Persons Case (Erin Foster & Jeremy Bechtel)
https://youtu.be/WMZxjsT_vh0	/r/videos/comments/ratkw8/the_horse_ate_the_grass_and_lay_down_on_the/	[ "Can confirm. That's what happened.", "Now that's some horseplay!", "I wonder why they did that", "How would you like it if your sibling lies in your food?", "Horse", "I've never seen a horse laying down...Movin like a mf dog", "Huh, interesting. I wonder if evolutionarily speaking that's one of the reasons they kept the manes, to keep each other on guard.", "Horsin’ around!", "Because horses do not just lie on the ground like that, so the common instincts of a herd animal steps in and tries to \"heal\" them. They poke and bite until the \"sick\" animal gets up and acts like everyone else.", "The horse ate the grass and lay down on the ground, but it started to be bitten and had to get up again.", "Are you talking about all the horses in the video or one particular horse?", "WARNING: Accurate title.", "Makes sense! I know it’s sometimes hard to spot lameness on herd animals because they hide it so well.", "It's also possible they were all just goofing around.", "It's probably an instinct to help the herd stay alert against predators. If the horse isn't standing it's definitely going to die to anything that attacks.", "ESL?", "Japanese society in a nutshell.", "Also possible they were goofing around for the reason given above.", "Horses mostly just bite each other on whatever bodypart is closest, not the manes.", "Oh okay! I didn't know they did this.", "\\* Horsing around.", "For the camera ofcourse.", "Now thats a horse of a different...Cruller?", "this is reddit, no jokes allowed.", "Where was the joke? Horses goof around all the time.", "Just new horse shoe goofin.", "Is this part of donkey kong december?", "Because horses are tasty, duh.", "Poor horse..", "I used to drive by a vet every day that had a small pasture for horses. One day I drove by and saw a horse just laying on the ground. I don't know much about horses, but it seemed off so I stopped at the clinic to let them know, and they told me that horse always does that so not to worry. Some are just built differently I guess.", "I've had my team of scientists analyzing the video for the past 9 hours and we too, can confirm the purported events as factual in nature. The detailed results of this analysis can be accessed [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ)", "I prefer my titles to have [BREAKING] so its out of date in 8 hours.", "The level of video posts with honest titles today is top notch", "I don't know what else I expected", "TITLE IS NOT FUCKING AROUND THIS IS SERIOUS", "It rubs the grass on its skin or else it gets the bite again.", "The grammar of this title seems incorrect but it's kinda fun to say for some reason.", "Bot?", "In horse culture, this is considered a dick more.", "I can't stop reading this sentence and hearing it in a flat but satisfying tone in my head.", "Equine snacking lazily? Yes.", "If the hors isn't standing it's definitely going to die to anything that attacks.", "> Because horses do not just lie on the ground like that\n\nHorses do lay down as normal behavior.\n\nIt could have just as easily been a dominance display or playing. Saying it's the animal trying to \"heal\" them is a bit too prescriptive and interpretive.", "😄😄", "I understand that English isn't everyone's first language but there's something that irritates me when my youtube/instagram is full of (usually animal related) spam from some foreign content farm. Especially when it's just a video of a cat sitting and not even doing anything.\n\nIf I never heard another mandolin and xylophone duet again in my life I'd be a happy man.", "Humaning around*", "In my experience with horses, I have noticed that the herd will only lay down if they have at least one horse standing guard nearby. It might have been that the other horse was basically informing him that it wasn't time to lay down. I think because they are prey animals, horses are particularly nervous about letting down their guard.\n\nOn a related note, I've also been told that is a sign of immense respect and trust if you walk up to horse that is lying down and they don't stand up upon seeing you approaching. It essentially means that you have been accepted as part of the herd.", "You're on the ground then you're food, that's how it works in horse world.", "horizontal horse, vertical video", "Good job AI buddy." ]	50	videos	The horse ate the grass and lay down on the ground, but it started to be bitten and had to get up again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TKt3IAwG0c	/r/videos/comments/ratsxw/rebecca_black_worth_it_for_the_feeling_official/	[ "Well that was a glowup if I've ever seen one", "Her voice sounds so much like Dianna Agron’s @ 0.18 seconds. Made me realize how much I miss her singing voice.", "Way better than Friday! I watched it on mute to be safe", "God damn…", "is that the girl from 'fried eggs'?", "she turned out pretty hot", "Fun, Fun, Fun - looking forward to the weeeekeeennnnd." ]	7	videos	Rebecca Black - Worth It for the Feeling (Official Music Video)
https://youtu.be/kffacxfA7G4	/r/videos/comments/ratu83/i_remember_this_song_use_to_have_many_dislike/	[ "YouTube removed the public dislikes about 2 weeks ago so... no. They're just hidden now.", "thats what I heard its for political reason... the left videos was getting more dislike and had the power to control tech.", "Just wait until they make dislike button only Premium feature and then remove it entirely." ]	3	videos	I remember this song use to have many dislike.. well now is 100% like = congrats
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd6921coDhs	/r/videos/comments/rau7ue/i_made_the_most_hated_music_video_ever_friday/	[ "can't be that hated, I don't see any dislikes", "@5:50 I see she's grown up.", "lol what a dumbarse", "Everyone is a dumbarse at 13", "Fuck, Friday came out 10 years ago...\n\nI don't know why, but I get a nice wave of nostalgia when I watch Friday. It feels like I'm looking back in time.", "I meant now.", "Meh, she's owned it and is getting on with having a nice life. What have you done with your life?" ]	8	videos	I Made The Most Hated Music Video Ever: FRIDAY Rebecca Black
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rauzcw/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rauzcw/deleted_by_user/	[ "What is the significance of that fact?", "Yes.", "Just a title, not a judgement. I don’t know any other film that starts with a script like it", "Who gives a fuck?" ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ	/r/videos/comments/raw430/this_piece_of_youtube_history_is_now_redundant/	[ "Luckily reddit does hide downvotes so we'll all see how low this post goes", "How low your comment goes", ">How long your comment goes \n\nWhat does this even mean?", "low\n\nFixed it :)", "I have no strong feelings about this one way or the other.", "All I know is my gut says maybe.", "Well, with the \"Return Youtube Dislike\" addon, it still lives on.", "Tell my wife, hello", "Finally, an opportunity to finally prove it is rigged. If people can't see the dislikes without an extension then it would go out of neutrality sooner or later if it wasn't rigged.", ">I have strong feelings one way\n\nFTFY", "I don't think \"redundant\" is the right term here", "Idk about you guys but I can still see dislikes on this video lol\n\nhttps://i.imgur.com/iUO1jiS.png", "It's \"obsolete\".", "For a few more days isn't it? \n\nThen as I understand YouTube will remove the dislikes from the API as well meaning the apps built to restore them will in essence be working on estimations, which feels a bit pointless.", "I have it and I see 573K likes and dislikes", "Enhancer for YouTube shows dislikes! It's on Google Chrome", "I just dislike everything now.", "You don't know how reddit works eh?", "Still a good video. Not sure why this would make the entire thing redundant. The up/down votes are just a continuation of the joke in the video.", "I have no strong feelings about this comment one way or the other.", "The addon is not for protests, but so that people can continue gauging whether a video is worth watching based on the l/d ratio. The biggest example of this is tutorial videos.", "Use a chrome extension to restore them (not sure why the downvotes. Literally just add the restore YouTube dislikes chrome extension! It works", "Obsolete is probably the best word, but I think they were going for \"pointless\", since in some uses redundancy can imply pointlessness.", "In what player? It doesn't show up for me.", "I have no strong feelings one way or the other.", "At least we can still play here on reddit.", "I have no strong opinions on this.", "I get that, but by the end of this month YouTube is removing the API dislikes. \n\nThis means that the addons that restore the dislikes will be moving to some vague estimation method, which won't be entirely accurate to the real number of dislikes. I'm sure it'll still help for the key things like tutorials etc, but it won't be the real number.\n\nFrom one of the main dislike restore apps:\n\n>What will happen after the YouTube API stops returning the dislike count?\n\n>The backend will switch to using a combination of archived dislike stats, estimates extrapolated from extension user data, and estimates based on view/like ratios for videos whose dislikes weren't archived as well as outdated dislike count archives.", "The correct term here would be \"indispensable\"\n\n\nEdit. Guess it was a terrible joke...", "Got the \"Return Youtube Dislike\" extension and it is still perfectly balanced, 573k against 573k", "Unless people were liking/disliking depending on which one had less? I thought that was the whole point.", "everyone who liked it should log in and remove the likes", "problem is, that addon is only temporary and probably won’t work after some point. when google removes the dislike count from the youtube API, it’s pretty much done. right now it still probably works for compatibility reasons with less updated apps.", "If this video doesn't make it, tell YouTube I said \"hello.\"", "Some youtube dev commented on it a while ago stating that it was rigged, there are a handful of videos that were manually kept in check such as this one.", "[I can still see it?](https://i.imgur.com/2Cd3JBb.png)", "That's what I said about your mother last night Trebek!", "That's the joke, that's why they rigged it.\n\nBut when dislikes are removed no one will be able to see them. At the moment people can only see them through an extension which uses the YouTube API. If it's still neutral despite 99.9% of viewers not being able to see the ratio then it's clearly rigged.", "Just the slow, crushing vice grip of corporations slowly milling us into dust. It’s fine bro think of the children bro.", "How? How does it work? Is it just the GUI hiding the dislikes?", "Honestly, disliking something is a tool. Youtube isn't doing this because it benefits the user experience. They are doing it because it benefits what THEY BELIEVE to be their business model. I hate youtube and their business practices.", "The YouTube API is still counting dislikes, but they plan to retire this functionality on December 13 according to the creator of the plugin.", "The API still shows the dislikes for another 6 days. Once the count is gone from the API these extensions will be like all other extensions, still installed but completely useless.", "As I understand it they're investigating ways to maintain the add on when the API is pulled; using archived dislike/like data, and a few other tricks.\n\nIt won't be ideal, but it should at least offer some semblance of a working dislike feature.", "Good luck with the YouTube boycott by constantly linking to YouTube.", "It's still rolling out. Within a couple of days it'll go away.", "irrelevant.", "I believe it starts with the most recently available number of dislikes from before YouTube deactivated it, then updates it using dislikes from other users of the extension.", "Just get a browser extension that shows you the likes and dislikes ffs. Everyone is pissing and moaning about this like it's judgement day. Grow up! lol", "It works for another week until the API goes poof. Then it will be a rough estimate at best.", "If enough people use it, it could be very viable going forward.", "Dude, just read the FAQ before posting this nonsense:\n\n> What will happen after the YouTube API stops returning the dislike count?\n> \n> The backend will switch to using a combination of archived dislike stats, estimates extrapolated from extension user data, and estimates based on view/like ratios for videos whose dislikes weren't archived as well as outdated dislike count archives.\n\nEdit: This also means that the more users use the extension, the better the results will be. If 1% of YouTube users used the extension and actively liked/disliked videos you would already have some pretty good data just from analyzing their likes/dislikes.", "Ohhh, I get what you're saying. I'm not convinced it was rigged but okay. Hard to say once the API comes down.", "I see it too but all other videos no longer have it. Did youtube really add an exception just for this video? That would be very pathetic.", "I dont know how to feel about this.", "I did, and this works for videos that exist now. Youtube grows exponentially every day, every new video is just a guess based on view/like ratios, so yeah, it will be mostly useless. I mean I guess if you NEED to see what someone's algorithm thinks might be right, go ahead.", "It has had an immediate effect on the quality of my daily life. \n\nIt would have been better for them to create better AI to detect dislike bot swarms.", "Well, better get my fill whilst I can", "Nah other videos already have them removed. Figured this was an Easter egg of sorts since they've referenced it before.", "I enjoy using YouTube to learn things, mostly obscure math and physics things that do have many videos, but they are only in the thousands of views.\n\nBefore I could skip videos that had fifty likes and two hundred dislikes as it most likely ment the video wasn't particularly good. But now I hade no way to know that. So I have to sift through many more videos... (oh god... Sudden realization: _that_is why they are doing this..!)\n\nHowever, I often just skip videos with 1000 views and two digit likes, because just below that video there is a 50k view video with four digit likes!...\n\nSo... I believe hiding dislikes hurt smaller creators and that it is just a ruse from YouTube claiming it will help them... Their real intention is to get people to watch more videos...", "I think it'd be pretty cool if they're honestly headset on removing the dislikes. Doesn't make the idea any less dumb but it's a funny Easter egg.", "Not a good replacement for the actual count.", "That's not what redundancy means.\n\nAn modern commercial jet airplane is build to able able to fly with a single engine. The second engine gives redundancy, because if one Engine fails... the pilot is still able to fly the plane to a safe landing.\n\nNo one would say the second engine is pointless.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nSame with online backup. It's so you have redundancy in case you lose your HDD. But it's not pointless.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nRedundancy NEVER means pointless.", "Does it matter? As I understand they couldn't care less if it is disliked, what matters that it is active interaction and it will be pushed out to front by algorithm. If anything it is just more honest of google to tell you that you might stop the whole charade.", "Yeah we should've linked to one of their competitors like uh... PornHub?", "The site itself says it uses Google's API and data scraping.", "Start another site...? 10 years ago if a site did stupid crap people left in waves. Aka Digg / Reddit as an example. Speaking of Reddit and trying to force this crap app on me...", "The x files aren't real and believing otherwise is why we can't have nice things.", "So you've surveyed the entire* English language in all cultures and countries and have found that not in a single instance does redundant mean pointless? I hate to break it to you but words can have multiple meanings.", "Now you're talkin!!", "This deserves it's own post. Will upvote and share this to the moon", "You don't think (tens of)thousands of extension users disliking videos will provide decent data?", "It's a perfectly cromulent word", "I'm a strong supporter of removing the dislike counter but this genuinely inspires a neutral response... (makes me sad)", "Please mention that the public API will be shutdown this year. \n\nThe plug-in will stop working soon.", "If the owner of the account is still active, they can still see the dislikes and update us regularly so we can make sure the balance is kept with regular adjustments in the voting.", "I have no strong opinions one way or another.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n(the dislike thing sucks tho)", "I only like because that is the only thing I can display.", "Do I think that less than .001% of users will provide decent data?", "I mean they plan on still runnning it with it's own data right? \nIf this is spread enough then perhaps most people would use it.", "They need to make their own button for the plugin. Honestly it would make dislikes better IMO. There is a barrier of entry to issue them so they would be more meaningful and given out by people who care.", "still 573K VS 573K ... get yourself the [enhancer for youtube](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/enhancer-for-youtube/ponfpcnoihfmfllpaingbgckeeldkhle) , dislikes, just like before.", "It'll stay working until Dec. 13.", "You are technically correct, the best kind of correct.", "We can now just post all the youtube videos to reddit so we can downvote as much as we like.", "Dicks out to protest YouTube!", "You'd be suprised how well this could work. Just think of videos you \"caught early\" as one of the first few thousand viewers. Most of the time, the ratio won't change much when the viewcount gets bigger.", "Well it will make YouTube less reliable and people will use the like button less, they only shoot themselves with an arrow to the knee.", "We know. This has been posted a lot already.", "Cromulent", "> It has had an immediate effect on the quality of my daily life.\n\nwhat a dork", "Also, this exact post has been made about 200 times by now, so I'm not sure why this one gained so much traction.", "cromulent, I fear you need to embiggen your vocabulary.", "And its not even maintained by people. Bots maintain it.", "[#Wienersout](https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/southpark/images/3/36/Groups-boys-weiners-out-group.png/revision/latest?cb=20170601004621)", "Most people use phones and TV's, unless they get a deal with vanced .\n\nIMO it's doomed.\n\nthe thing is we should be able to protests the same way we did with g+\n\nInstead of disliking leave a comment with a not advertising friendly words and a message of protests.\n\nLike:\n\n\"Homicide, violence, gore.\n\nLet this comment be a dislike for YouTube took our only other way\"", "[\"You are obsolete. You have no function. You are an anachronism.\"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3quruHpcuo&t=129s)", "That extension only exists because the functionality of counting dislikes still exists in the API. It's going away in 6 days. I've been using it but its not going to be a permanent solution.", "Is there even 1% of YT users who frequent many various videoes, AND would already have installed this extension?\n\nThis 1% rule everyone brings up (even in stocks and scams) is either naive or intentionally ignorant to how much 1% is in a massive group of things\n\nIf you (or someone else) can prove with numbers that there is an actual overlap big enough to fit even 0.1% then I'm satisfied.\n\nIs there at least 0.1% of the community that watches many different genres of videoes AND would install this extension?", "We should all unlike/ undislike the video. Make it zero to zero", "Not anyone can just make another YouTube. The cost of hosting all that video data is insane and would require a huge investment until the site became popular enough to become profitable. So if another site was to be created right now it would probably just be backed by another huge corporation with the same corporate interests.\n\nAlso, get Apollo.", "just get a plugin to return dislikes :)\n\nwe just entered boss mode", "YouTube removing the dislikes has raised a beige alert", "I am neither happy nor sad about this news!", "It is if the .001% are the only users with opinions I'd care about", ">Redundancy NEVER means pointless.\n\nYes it does, its just that the term has two meanings. An airplane has redundancies to avoid crashing, but if an editor tells you that a section of text is redundant -- they certainly mean it is meaningless and should be removed -- not kept as a safety mechanism. If you are made redundant at work, that does not mean that you will remain hired just in case someone else gets sick -- it means that they do not see a point in continuing to employ you. \n\nPerhaps in your field of work/field of interests this is the used definition of the term. But in mine, its the opposite, where redundancy never means \"having something in case the otehr one breaks.\" It always means you dont need to have more of this, becuase it is sufficient with less. For instance, if I explain a concept twice, this is redundant and I will receive comments to remove it due to that. \n\nOf course, a dictionary will have both of these definitions.", ".001% dislking content farm ad trash is more than enough for me to instant skip a trash tutorial / infomercial", "In England, when there is not enough work for the staff, the extra staff members are considered \"Redundant\", and no longer necessary. I've heard this in British television for years \"you're being laid of due to redundancy\". The implication is the employee is no longer necessary or useful. \n\n\nI agree \"pointless\" is a bit off the mark, but even still, your strict interpretation could be a bit more flexible. Redundancy doesn't always apply to backup systems in machines or electronics.", "Redundant? You might want to look up the definition.", "Also I feel like the only people who care are content creators hence why we're seeing tons of content. I use youtube all the time and I couldn't care less about upvotes and downvotes. I guess it shows though how culture is driving by content creators to get other people focused on things that don't matter. Like making content creators more money. \n\nThe voting system is used by creators to massively downvote other newer users content. Fuck them.. The internet was far better before moderation. Get rid of that system all together and lets get back to a system were people randomly find funny shit and pass it around instead of this unrandom moderation paid for by people who can afford teams of people artificially boosting their product while limiting others.", "> since in some uses* redundancy can imply pointlessness.\n\nPeople are \"made redundant\" and fired from their jobs. Passages are redundant and removed from stories. In the sentence \"The single unmarried widow cried for three days\", both \"single\" and \"unmarried\" are redundant because they are implied by \"widow\".", "The answer is no.", "Its not easy to start another site like YouTube which has approximately 30,000 hours of newly uploaded content per hour.", "Chrome has a \"Return YouTube Dislike\" extension.", "I hope Spotify open up video content creation to everyone. They're certainly not the best at paying their content creators but I think there is a huge opportunity here that they can capitalise on.\nThey have the server space, they already have paid subscriptions and an ad system that's not sickening.", "They can record the like dislike ratio from the people who have the add on installed and then show that as a percentage of likes to dislikes. You don't need millions of likes or dislikes to make up your mind. A few hundred per video would be enough to get a good idea.", "You're right I forgot there's kids on youtube", "Vances added sponsorblock so there is hope.", "OP doesn’t know what redundant means", "Most people use redundant to basically mean “repetition” or “multiple of something” when really it can mean “no longer useful.” The latter definition seems to be fine here.", "I just installed an addon and while not perfect, does the [bare-bones minimum](https://i.imgur.com/4hyNdcR.png?1).", "A lot of tech minded people care as tutorials become harder ti judge if it's a worthy tutorial or not.", "This is isnt about you. A lot of people use YouTube for tutorials and relie on the dislike ratio to determine if the video is legit or a scam.", "It was always redundant.", "Last year, I had to replace my brake pads and went on YouTube to find a good tutorial with the right instructions and specifics on materials required. I spent about an hour or two digging through multiple videos from smaller channels and I was using the like to dislike ratio to judge the videos based on quality, so that I didn't have to waste half an hour watching the whole thing just to be disappointed. I ended up using only two full videos to get ALL of the information I needed. \n\nNeedless to say, YouTube removing the dislike option not only makes the original concept of YouTube more difficult to use but it separates actually technically correct channels from wrong ones that use fancy thumbnails and editing to mislead the viewer into thinking the opinions and materials shown are from the most experienced YouTube creator. \n\nIn other words, without the dislikes being shown, I would have never seen the video or known that there are 3 different types of lubricants to use on my specific car model when replacing brake pads and that if I used the wrong one, it would melt the rubber pieces and in the worst case scenario, completely ruin my brakes. This would be putting myself, my friends, and my family at risk of injury or even death. \n\nRemoving the dislikes button not only misleads people but it forces us to watch every single video on a subject until we have to come to our own conclusion on whether it was the best video for us or not. It creates a smoke and mirror effect to hide good quality content from creators that don't have the luxury of having fancy editing skills or the indecency to use clickbait titles.", "No. All forms of the word redundant point to excess or superfluousness. The section of text is redundant because it says something that has already been said. The worker is redundant because their duties are carried by other workers. It dilutes the meaning of redundant to say that it can mean pointless. Things can be pointless because they are redundant.\n\n\"where redundancy never means \"having something in case the otehr one \nbreaks.\" It always means you dont need to have more of this, becuase it \nis sufficient with less\"\n\nThese usages are both correct and they both point at the same underlying meaning.", "I did my part.", "That's literally what I wrote", "Nice edit.", "Please don't tell my attractive cousin about this lapse of focus", "Thanks Dankpods.", "JESUS CHRIST WE KNOW", "It's time to shine, Dailymotion. Make yourself famous, kid!!", "When you say \"they have the server space\" do you mean Google? If Spotify would ramp up their video offering, they'd be using the Google Cloud unless they switched to AWS or something.", "Can’t do Pornhub anymore because you now have to be verified to upload. Tons of Pornhub music videos and memes were just lost when they set that rule.\n\nI honestly thought that all the uploaded would just move elsewhere, but it doesn’t look like they did.", "It would work if they maintained an independent database of dislike counts. \n\nYeah, you would only see dislike counts for [before Dec. 13 + the dislikes of people that specifically use the plugin after Dec. 13], but its better than nothing.", "Cooking, videos on tough missions in some video games, tech support...I rely on the ratio for all those kinds of videos.", "Let me know how that works out next week when YT kills that functionality of the API.", "This one hurts. I would show random people that weren't even Futurama fans because of it being a cool inside joke.", "I don’t get it. If YouTube doesn’t want to have dislikes then let it be. It’s their decision. Use Vimeo or some shit I don’t know.", "Redundancy is often used to refer to ‘layoffs’. Since this video is essentially being laid off, I think it’s a fine word to use.", "Who gives a fuck", "I actually uninstalled the iPhone app and have been watching videos in my browser as needed. It may actually sting them just a bit because I have seen no ads in the browser version.", "Use big word for large internet points", "Is the dislike update live? I can still see the button and the dislike count on my phone and computer.", "Do you understand just how much content is on YouTube? There's no way that small group is going to provide substantial data on any individual video.", "No, they need to stick with audio only. Too many places try to expand to other shit then fail horribly.", "A rating system isn't the same as \"moderation\" -- more like \"curation\". Watching a video costs time, and massive downvotes on a tutorial tell me that it's not worth my time, in virtually all cases I've encountered. The unreliability/manipulation could absolutely be fixed or at least significantly improved, but YouTube/Google doesn't want what's better for the community. The degraded ability to efficiently assess community-evaluated quality means you'll spend more time watching bad videos, so that garbage content will still reap ad revenue instead of being dead weight on their servers. Not to mention the corporate and political videos/causes that can more so claim ignorance that people vehemently dislike their videos. \n\nIf Reddit removed downvotes everyone would absolutely be trudging through more garbage. Is it a perfect system? Hardly. But taking away critical assessment is fundamentally eroding the quality of the platform.", "Yeah, I just engage with the site as little as possible honestly outside of the few channels I've followed for a long time.\n\nDislikes have always counted as engagement, the only thing dislikes have ever done beyond up the visibility and in turn ad revenue is tell the viewers a video is either unpopular or something is going on with it, be that brigading, disliking for a meme or whatever.", "Rumble just went public via a SPAC deal and could be a real YouTube competitor one day $CFVI\n\nSomething around 36 million users currently", "A lot of people use the dislike button in trolling ways. Being able to see the ratio increases the likelihood of them doing that. The dislike button still works and still does what it's always done, affects which videos you will be recommended, and lets the creator know what videos people like and which ones they don't. Only now, there won't be those times where it looks like people dislike a video when it was really just a troll response. If you're super concerned about checking if a video won't be good before watching it, there's always the comments for that, and those were always a lot more reliable for that purpose anyway, since they can actually articulate their criticism.", "I don't think anyone's actuall boycotting it right? They're just giving example after example why the change was quite frankly stupid.", "Hmm, maybe I’m an outlier then. I’m using Google Chrome if that makes a difference, and as far as I know my adblocker extension doesn’t apply to mobile", "Why wouldn't they. I respect the hustle", "'Squid game 2 teaser' appeared on my feed today, due to the dislikes being invisible I got 20 seconds in before I realized I'd been had.\n\nsuch a stupid change", "Don't know why Youtube didn't make it a creators decision to show the dislikes. If someone wants to show their dislikes that should be up to them. Imagine if Amazon said they will only be showing 5 star reviews.", "Its because YouTube did one thing well, scale to allow anyone to upload without restrictions, and did it before it was even bought by Google which is why Google bought them as much as just the amount of content it had.\n\nEvery other competitor out there puts massive restrictions on what you can do which makes them basically pointless.", "Logarithms", "I now have strong feelings on this.", "Yeah I could not see anyone actually posting on that right wing cesspool.", "Al Gore Rhythms.", "All I know is my gut says maybe. \n\nTell my wife I say hello.", "It would be more of a 'camel's back' situation.", "I mean you already know that it will stop working out", "Hmmm... I guess I didn't think that through. I was thinking they have enough servers to house all of the music, but file sizes of audio files are far smaller than hd video content. I'd imagine they have enough of an infrastructure though that they could invest in larger servers? \n\nI don't know if you can tell, but I have no idea what I'm talking about with regards to servers...", "The cat was asking.", "Why didn’t they just allow content creators to disable dislikes per video? There is ulterior motive here for sure.", "Get a browser extension that restores the dislike count and you will see that this video is at 573k likes and 573k dislikes", "I was hoping someone mentioned this. It's not really a real thing, anyway. It's a fun meme or whatever, but it's just bots.", "Half a million people have downloaded the extension so that is a pretty good sample. The vote estimation shouldn't be too far off.", "I think this is the 3rd time I've seen redundant used wrong specifically talking about this issue", "1% of the YouTube userbase doesn't even watch 1% of all videos uploaded in a day. The author of that extension is overdosing on copium.", "Works on mobile.\n\nhttps://imgur.com/a/qNV23Uc", "Why dont we upvote downvote this to be neutral on reddit!", "What a piece of gum fucked his wife", "> It dilutes the meaning of redundant to say that it can mean pointless.\n\nNo, it doesn't.\n\n>All forms of the word redundant point to excess or superfluousness\n\nSynonym for superfluous - unneeded\n\nSynonym for pointless - unnecessary", "Ima be real honest with you guys. I don’t know why this is such a big deal. Yes, YouTube is bowing to advertisers and lying to say it’s protecting small creators blah blah. Are we really these surprised that one of the biggest corporations on the planet is behaving this way? Why is this surprising at all? Also, isn’t every other video based site using likes only? TikTok and Instagram never even had dislikes. I’ve never heard someone watching a TikTok say “if only they would add a dislike so I can show how much I hate this”. I feel like this YouTube outrage is the kind of riled-up behavior that the internet randomly gets over something and then forgets 2 months later.", "Better than nothing plus it will permanently have the vote count for older videos so at least those will be accurate. Obscure new videos may be off but popular new videos should have a pretty accurate count.", "So, can the creaters not see the downvotes at least? The button is still there, at least for me, just without a count.", "If more people use it, its demographics will shift.", "It will only stay a “right wing cesspool” if only right wing people post to it. Same goes for any alternative.", "But can't you still have no strong feelings one way or the other?", "It's a viable alternative to move to when people feel big tech has gone too far to protect big businesses.", "Not very neutral of you!", "Yea, but it's half a million people that want to downvote things so badly they'll install software that lets them downvote things.", "Don't the sponsor blocking extensions work the same way? its based on users so I don't see how this couldn't work.", "Lol in the past people have gotten very mad that I said that. Like I told them Santa isn't real or something.", "I think\"redundant\" is the right word. It implies that the video served some kind of purpose that it can no longer serve. If you think about it that way then you could imagine the purpose of this video was to provide a place for the YouTube community to express their total indifference about something. Given it can no longer serve this purpose, the video itself is now redundant.", "Obscure videos may not be accurate but popular videos should be. Especially popular diy videos... which i care about ;)", "I just looked at it and I feel like it's like all the other \"alternative\" platforms that get overran by qanon and extremists", "I just instinctively went to Youtube to look up Rumble...", "Yes, on videos with views in the hundreds of thousands this is probably the case...\n\nHowever, when you are looking up videos on how to do something really niche, or learn something niche, videos often have no comments and the few comments made are \"good work, son -mom\" and similar..", "Holy fuck this comment chain is exactly why I hate Reddit sometimes. Just take the joke.", "There is a chrome extension called \"Return YouTube Dislike\" if people want to see dislikes.", "Good luck with the YouTube boycott. Like shit, look at the trending page on YouTube, do you really think that caters to the Reddit audience lol?", "Well yeah but I've also seen dislike trolls on small channels too", "Spotify is bought and paid for, don't know why you'd suggest them. If a music platform is what you're after, then Soundcloud would fit the bill far better.", "This was the first video I thought of when they announced the death of the dislike.", "That’s Anthony burgess isn’t it?", "Redditors boycotting YouTube is like taking a piss in the ocean and saying you turned the whole thing yellow.", "Aren't your going to fuck up your algorithm though?", "Half a million have it so far and I would expect many more. That is good enough for me for more popular videos.", "Hard to find good numbers but Spotify currently has somewhere in the neighborhood of 50 petabytes of data. People upload much more than this to YouTube in a year (~75 PB). Storage is also only a small part of the issue. The streaming load is massive (just look at how bad reddit is it at it). \n\nSpotify doesn't have the internal expertise (at the moment) to do anything like this. If they wanted to take YouTube on directly, their best best would be to switch to AWS or a non-Google product. Maybe Google would be fine housing a competitors' server but I think it'd be safer to separate it from Spotify's perspective.\n\nI do agree there are in a good position to do so in terms of brand awareness. It's going to be extremely difficult for any startup to compete with YouTube at this point. It'll take another massive company to put in a massive investment to try.", "> Last year, I had to replace my brake pads and went on YouTube to find a good tutorial with the right instructions and specifics on materials required. I spent about an hour or two digging through multiple videos from smaller channels and I was using the like to dislike ratio to judge the videos based on quality, so that I didn't have to waste half an hour watching the whole thing just to be disappointed. I ended up using only two full videos to get ALL of the information I needed.\n\nWhy wouldn't you just go to a reputable channel like car and driver or use your owner's manual? Taking two hours just to figure out _how_ to replace your brake pads speaks more to why using the dislike ratio is a bad way to gauge quality.\n\nAlso not sure why you'd trust the average youtube user's opinion for whether a youtube video about car maintenance is correct vs watching a video from a mechanic that does it for a living.", "I thought that about voat. It only got worse.", "This is the answer to how we reverse it. \n\nMake the problem worse after they enact their proposed solution.", "They are recording votes themselves so it will be an estimate going forward which is fine with me. The more that get the extension the more accurate it will be. We just need a mobile version somehow.", "People didn't use it :-\\", "They have already expanded to video. Some podcasts are already utilising the tool already. And I think they've done it really well.", "We must do our part and downvote this back to 0 karma.", "i mean didnt they make that rule because of child porn? there was a huge article about it a few years back. makes sense to me. we should all switch to daily motion instead", "Obsoletely fabulous", "What's really redundant is the fact that there have already been like 1000 versions of this exact post made already.", "This is the first video I thought of when I heard the new policy", "Now when you say ask instead of ax", "If you are on Google Chrome, you can download an extension that reveals the the dislikes. Not sure how long it will last due to youtube api.", "Hard to swallow truth: tutorial videos like that without millions of views are no longer YouTube’s target market, so they DGAF about ruining them. It costs them way more (i.e., doesn’t make them revenue) to host quality content vs clickbait garbage. Pushing the platform from more specialized content with low viewers (the market of people who want to change their own brakes on a specific car model is very small) vs mainstream garbage is totally in their best interest. I bet they’d love to purge millions of quality tutorials like that because it doesn’t make them money.", "Who cares if a meme is lost. The real issue is there is no way to discern good content from bad content. That has real social and political consequence.", "Is this the trump one? If so, it's absolutely smoke and mirrors and just a grift to enrich himself off all the cultist morons who allow hate and narcissism to dictate every action in their lives like the stop the steal and build the wall grifts", "Make a new video sharing site", "In the UK (and some other countries), they use \"Redundancy\" to mean being laid off from a job/being made useless, so OP might be using that colloquialism.", "> allow anyone to upload without restrictions,\n\nEh, there are tons of restrictions. Most people have a google account associated with a name or device. And in the case you do anything Google considers 'wrong', all the alts that Google has detected will get banned.\n\nThen there is content ID restrictions, content restriction, and more.", "Me trying to figure out how this is redundant..", "This makes no sense. What content creator is going to come out and admit that their video has a negative like to dislike ratio if they aren't forced to?", "TikTok is used for entertainment. YouTube is used as both education and entertainment. The problem is with the education. You can't distinguish between accurate and inaccurate videos anymore, which for education purposes causes a lot of problems", "You can still down vote things, just can't see the count. I downloaded the extension so I can continue to see diy vote counts and vote normally. I don't think people will just start down voting videos more just because the count is hidden. I imagine there will end up being several million people with the extension, that is a pretty good sample... the best option we have :(", "> The streaming load is massive \n\nGoogle one this race well over a decade ago by buying up a surplus of 'dark fiber' that had been laid in the early 2000s.", "I don’t feel strongly about this one way or another.", "nah redundancy is not pointless; what if one of your systems goes down? then you'll be glad you had redundancy.", "When you're so tribalistic you won't even leave your left wing cesspools like YouTube and reddit go to watch a video.", "I'm glad you know which channels are reputable, but how is someone able to find a channel they can trust with such an important indicator of quality gone? And not every manual is actually good or easy to read, no reason to shame someone for wanting a video. Like it or not, a bunch of people's opinions (like/dislike) much more likely than not are going to point to the truth--I'm going to dislike a video if I find it to be wrong or unhelpful for showing a brake replacement and I'll like it if it helped. I wanted help finding where my jeep's spark plugs were, and I wasted time on a crap video that made jokes about where the spark plugs weren't and didn't help at all. Hiding dislikes brings that trash back.", "LoL oh its about you. Got it. Watch the video to determine if its worth it. How about that.", "Not for long", "I don’t really care about my algorithm. I only watch videos I search for.", "It's not a music platform I'm after, it's an alternative to YouTube. SoundCloud have a LOT of groundwork to get to the standard and resources to be a substitute for YT, but Spotify are much closer. It may be the lesser of two evils, but given a bigger number of people are subbed to Spotify's paid service compared to YT premium, so they already have a steady-ish revenue stream.", "You're missing out man. That's like cold calling for sales.", "Its not curation since its massively manipulated. What it does it create a system where the people with resources are able to afford the boost required to get their content seen. Then within that small proportion you have curation. Its not democratic in the slightest. What it does it is make the marketeers job much easier as they can advertise to clients that they can boost their clients content.\n\nYou're supporting a system that has ruined the internet and given us more Jack Pauls than anything else. Rich kids with the resources to hire teams of people to create over produced content while every other content chases their coat tails. You people are the reason the internet sucks. You hand it to the advertisers and marketeers and only make their job easier.\n\nThe minute you have any type of \"critical assessment\" function that essentially translate to making money, then you don't have a \"critical assessment\" system. It will 100% be rigged every time. You people will never learn.", "There's a chrome extension that reactivated the dislikes.", "Yeah seeing the dislikes honestly kept it so I would know whether the video was worth my time.", "Redundant is the wrong word describe this, it’s really just ruining the history by making it impossible to maintain the balance", "OP just came out of a DR meeting at work or something.", "I’m missing out by not wasting time watching videos an algorithm chooses for me? Nah, bro, I have better things to do with my time.", "> Why wouldn't you just go to a reputable channel\n\nHow do you go to a reputable channel without knowing what a reputable channel is in the first place? You are really putting the cart before the horse.\n\nI mean I can post a video and say \"I'm a mechanic and I do this for a living\"... It's called bullshit, and there is plenty of it on YT.", "This was the only thing keeping us from imploding", "On tutorials you can tell by the comments but there are a lot of comments discussing random stuff as well. There are some videos which do show what you want but not without a lot of wasteful stuff. Having disliked would solve that problem", "So, everyone has been talking about it, but have those changes already made? I still see the numbers for both positive and negative.", "But how will the Racist INCELs show their hate for interracial couples now?🧑🏾‍🦱👩🏼🤱🏼😂", "I think it's a perfectly good word to use here. It's being used in the same sense as someone being made redundant from their job.", "All I know is my gut says maybe.", "I don't think obsolete is a great word either. How about \"lost\"", "They clearly said before google bought them. I mean, it's literally in the first sentence. It is the entire point of their comment. How do you miss that? Did you just stop reading at the second comma?", "Yeah when I started using sponsorblock I expected it to barely change anything but found almost any video I watched, even pretty new ones, all have had sponsors marked. Sure it can't get every video, but people are really underestimating what can be extrapolated from a small percentage of users", "Hey remember when Reddit used to show upvote and downvote counts?", "I have no strong feelings about it one way or the other", "Apparently they ignored the problem of CP and revenge porn for long enough for it to become gargantuan and had to make really drastic last-second moves.", "Lol yes. Vinegar and water in carpet cleaner vacuums is my biggest pet peeve. Absolutely destroys the tubing interior to the point where the whole thing just starts having multiple clogs.", "Trump isn't involved in Rumble but both companies follow the same ethos in the social media world of being neutral platforms that let the communities decide what trends and what does not (not themselves).", "If I don't survive, tell YouTube \"Hello.\"", "It will be extremely far off. 500k people on one of the most visited sites in the world is not a good sample size at all.", "Its funny because I will get downvoted to hell, but clearly youtube survives from its head start and probably some help from their friends in the government, as long as they are following all the rules. That's the same with a lot of the HUGE companies around the world where they get help from the government who is telling them to enforce mask mandates at their store. Then to get on an airplane even, you have to wear a mask, but they just tell you, if you dont like it, shop somewhere else.", ">Nah, bro, I have better things to do with my time.\n\nThat's kind of the point... I think you assume that the algorithm has some sort of personality and wants you to see certain things. You literally just feed it information and it shows you stuff you'll probably like. I don't spend my time watching youtube all day so having a bunch of channels I couldn't find on my own that could be winner show up in my feed saves me a lot of time.", "Is there no boycott? What are we doing then, just pissing and moaning?", "No, they didn't, that was just their cover story for stamping out competition. You might have noticed that not just ph but almost every similarly large site at the time implemented the same policy.\n\nThey raised the bar for entry into the porn site industry (as ridiculous as that may sound) so that they wouldn't have to compete against thousands of independent websites which simply couldn't afford to have a verification process.", "I only have positive feelings one way and not the other", "I’ve heard this argument. I learn quite a lot of things from YouTube, everything from photoshop tricks to basic repair stuff around the house to some coding. I have never found a case where I needed a dislike count to know If the video\nWas helpful to me or accurate. Usually the most popular stuff (aka top results) were good. For the more niche subjects, I had to watch a few videos and skip around within each at first to see if I thought it was helpful. It’s not that hard to figure out if a video is helpful or accurate if you’re willing to spend a few extra minutes on it.", "Rumble.com", "Child porn is probably the worst of it, but it was meant to deal with nonconsensual porn in general, including things like adult victims of human trafficking, videos taken without the subjects' consent, and videos taken with the subjects' consent but uploaded without their consent.\n\nThe human trafficking thing is probably still happening, though. PH might be able to verify the ages and identities of people in the video, but it's practically impossible for them to verify that they aren't being coerced into participating.", "This is the first thing that came to my mind after hearing about the dislike removal", "Nice job offering nothing but an \"awktulee\"", "Not sure what you mean by \"alternative\" being in quotes but it's a neutral platform that let's the community decide the trends (unlike YouTube)", "Your brakes failing puts everybody at risk.", "This is the final straw", "great ok who cares", "Ohhhhh nooooo without a downvote button we're all doomed. Doooooooomed.", "\"An investor prospectus for the SPAC highlights figures such as Dan Bongino, Rep. Devin Nunes (R-Calif.), Glenn Greenwald—and Trump.\" All trashy liars, no thanks. Is this also the one that has a terms of service clause to not say anything bad about trump? So free speech, so neutral.", "Irrelevant to what? I don't think that's the correct word either.", "I took a screenshot with the Like/Dislike ratio when the announcement came so then we can remember this piece of internet history where, for once, over a million people came together to reach one goal.", "> How do you go to a reputable channel\n\nYou can just google it? Try, \"reputable car repair channels.\" There's tons of results. Car and driver, the one I mentioned, is a 66 year old publication. You can do that and find a good repair video in 5 minutes; well faster than the 2+ hours it took the person I replied to to find an acceptable set of videos. You can also _look at your owner's manual_ which will tell you exactly how to fix _your specific car_.", "Because tictok is also a lot of useless shit, and tends to have an even shorter shelf life than YT videos do.\n\nPandering to base level shit is just the shit behavior we tend to make laws against corporations, otherwise they'd do all the worst behaviors for profit.", "They haven't really shown why the change itself is stupid. What people have shown is why they, specifically, don't like the change. It's not convincing anyone who didn't start off caring that they should care.", "> A lot of people use the dislike button in trolling ways.\n\nYoutube gives zero fucks about that. This is about downvotes on videos for large corporations and things like YT rewind.", "Reddit doesn't show upvotes. It shows a made up number based off the number of upvotes and downvotes. Reddit is a perfect example of why using upvotes/downvotes as a source of credibility is bass ackwards. It's always had terrible advice highly upvoted, even when it used the actual like dislike ratio.", "It's now unbalanced, it has 11 more likes than dislikes (I use the return dislike extension)", "Useless. Too few people use the extension and the rate at which content is added to YT is legion.", "There's currently a project to backup all the dislike records if anyone wants to help out:\n\nhttps://tracker.archiveteam.org/youtube-dislikes", "It's in quotes because every alternative platform out there that says they're neutral and free speech first dies because nobody wants to support them. And nobody wants to post content there. A true competitor will either need to do something revolutionary, pay loads, or buy out some big youtubers. But when I go to a website and the first thing I see looks like the old r/thedonald I don't bother", "passé", "Jesus Christ are you that hurt over someone fixing a typo especially one where you're correcting someone else? Go outside.", "Agree, but it's really Google who owns YouTube now who sucks. They're all about businesses advertising on their platform and that's why they've really removed that dislike button...so real people can't give businesses the finger when they produce their shitty commercials and dumb advertising videos that were cooked up in a meeting room somewhere by some idiot.", "Somebody needs to pick up [this ball](https://github.com/gab-ai-inc/gab-dissenter-extension) and get it rolling again.\n\nDGAF about the stupid politics around it, it has its use.", "It's a viable option to big tech censorship, throttling, and etc. \n\nThere's nothing in the service clause about not being allowed to be critical about Trump 😂", "Redundant?", "I am a tech minded person. I watch tutorials all the time. The amount of likes has never been good at telling me who is good or not. \n\nOften times its the channel without the likes that is best at teaching a niche techinical area because its actually focused on the tech knowledge instead of over produced generic information that is surface level knowledge that the other 1000 videos they're competing with meant they had to optimize their video with lame graphics and royalty free music. So don't give me this nonesense that it helps you find tutorials because its not true that's what it does. \n\nIn fact it furthers my point that the voting system is rigged and has lead the gradual decline in quality content over the years to this horribly over produced generic content that is devoid of information and quality because the top channels are all chasing each other and copying what each other is doing. Voting only serves advertising while producing less quality content.", "Burgess Meredith. Anthony Burgess was the Clockwork Orange guy.", "That project is insane. I can go on a video that has 1000 views or a video that's been out for 5 minutes and someone will have tagged the whole thing.", "I don’t care one way or the other", "Primarily child porn but there was also a lot of actual rape videos on there.", "Head start definitely helps. But I think it's less about the government and more about investors. I don't really understand the mask argument. I mean stores require clothes and that's not an issue. It's more about self imagine. Personally I loved the mask mandates when they were around because I didn't have to worry about my face or anything lol", "Why swallow it? They put it in your mouth, spit it back in their faces.", "My understanding was VISA and Mastercard basically said remove everything or they're not supporting them anymore", "You mean people want to feel like they have an effect on the world? Crazy", "https://i.imgur.com/wb4ex0H.jpg", "A solution exists.\nhttps://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi", "Yeah i honestly don't see the big deal. Okay, there were specific memes yiu could make out of the like/dislike function. But if I see a YouTube video that has tons of dislikes, my first thought isn't that it's a reflection on the videos quality, my first thought is that it was linked somewhere where they hate what the video is saying and started a mass downvote brigade", "That's like telling someone who doesn't like watching TV they're missing out on a bunch of good shows. I don't watch youtube because I don't like watching videos. I'd rather spend my time on other things that I enjoy.", "Hey, are we pressing pickle? I want in...", "https://www.change.org/p/bring-back-the-dislike-count-on-youtube\n\nNot that it'll actually turn them around, but it's worth a shot.", "It also acknowledges the statement to be correct", "Youtube is not the world.", "I’m not the one advocating for the removal of a feature because I happen to not use it. And further, tutorial videos can easily run over an hour so no, I’d rather quickly find out someone’s a hack.", "We're not the customer (the ad buyers are) and there's enough morons out there to mindlessly consume garbage that our boycott just wouldn't really matter to them.", "Reddit used to show dislikes. I don’t really miss it", "Your folk either lie like it's second nature or you're just misinformed. Don't know which is worse to be honest.\n\nAs a user of the Site, you agree not to: disparage, tarnish, or otherwise harm, in our opinion, us and/or the Site.\n\n[https://truthsocial.com/terms-of-service](https://truthsocial.com/terms-of-service)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFree speech unless it hurts our feelings pls thnx", "https://i.imgur.com/CRMZIpB.png It's still fairly close. As long as users of the return youtube dislikes extension continue to monitor it, it will remain accurate.", "you completely missed his point.", "Wow, blast from the past!", "Fuck You.... Tube", "Your mom swallows cum and believing otherwise is why you're autistic", "Don't forget their politics that are tied to their business. You don't want people seeing the narratives being pushed are rejected by normal people.", "Only redundant siths deal in absolutes", "Where did he say anything about a boycott bud?", "Anybody can post to Soundcloud no questions asked. Spotify doesn't offer that same level of freedom. Spotify isn't an option at all.", "It's not like dislikes are going away just google for how to X and they find you one of the ones that the algorithm considered the best based on likes dislikes (probably exactly like most people were doing it but most likely better) and it even jumps you to the exact point in the video that the relevant stuff starts up.", "Yes. \n\nYes it will. \n\nAt least, 'accurate enough' to be of some use. It certainly won't be perfect. This kind of extrapolation model is used all of the time in many areas. Comparing it to predicting the stock market is ridiculous. That requires entirely different (and far more complex), mathematical models which can never be as accurate. \n\nWith enough data (say, millions of videos), we can know the mean ratio of views to likes to dislikes, for different steps of views. Add to that individual uploaders historic ratios, as well as user-input data from extension users and we can refine the prediction of dislikes based on the ratio of views to likes, fairly accurately. It only has to be accurate enough to give users a sense of whether a video is generally disliked (poor quality) or not. It does not need to be accurate to the 1%. It also doesn't need to be accurate for things such as music videos. As that's all personal taste. Furthermore, dislikes will remain visible to uploaders, so they can also contribute perfectly accurate data to refine the model. \nIt's already possible to do this prediction with the available data, and to see how close the prediction is, while dislikes still remain exposed. \n\nThere are two kinds of people. Those who can extrapolate from an incomplete dataset.", "The upvotes and downvotes were always equal, so if it had 56k likes it had 56k dislikes. Now that there are no dislikes, it is no longer neutral.", "You’re right, but the latter definition is most often used in reference to layoffs and even then, only in the UK. Also, redundant’s meaning is closer to “disposable” or “inessential”, which is somewhat of a stretch here. It’s technically an accurate use of redundant, but there are plenty of adjectives that would be better in this case. Archaic, obsolete, or anachronistic are all more appropriate. Regardless, I think we all know what OP meant.", "Or telling someone who refuses to read about all of the great books they're missing out on.", "chrome extensions for the win - 573k likes and 573k dislikes.", "The vote system is rigged. You're not finding quality content. You're finding the content of a person who has the resources to rig the system. You all are the reason the internet sucks now. You turned the internet into cable television 2.0. You favor a system that benefits bad practices that reduces the democratization of the internet in favor of the same corrupt systems that benefits resources and wealth over talent and quality", "It will likely be several million that end up using it(500k in just the first few days it's available). The more the better.", "36 million active users, from 1 million last year. The community engagement is up 44x over the same time. They pay content creators, without censorship to certain keywords (unlike YouTube). They have over a $2 billion valuation and raised something around $500 million within the last few days.", "I thought we were talking about Rumble. Sorry for the confusion.\n\nTo comment on TruthSocial.com, I doubt that means you can't say disparaging things about Trump. Time will tell.", "Plenty of creeps used VOAT…which certainly turned me away from it.", "It is up to half a million now...will likely be several million. That should be enough for popular videos. Obscure videos would likely be off but but what can you do.", "I'm not sure you know what redundant means", "I don't even understand the reference. What piece of youtube history? This is a clip from Futurama. You can't enjoy Futurama now because of a policy change by youtube?", "How about \"ruined?\"", "it's still 573k to 573k. Get the chrome plugin return youtube dislike, or don't, I have no strong feelings about it.", "that is still a small sample", "If they removed the Dislike button then why not remove the Like button?", "Anybody can post on Spotify too, it just needs to be through a distributor. I think Spotify would have an easier time to make uploading more accessible than SoundCloud would trying to implement video streaming.", "It depends on the type of video for me.\nI see a cooking video and it's got a lot of dislikes, I'm gonna go to the next, or at the very least the comments to see what's going on.\n\nWith a video that might be political, yeah might have been brigaded.", "https://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/", "sir, we do not do that in springfield", "obviated", "And that few extra minutes is probably another reason they did this.", "Sure but there is no alternative. It will also end up being 1-2% of all youtube viewers...not too bad. Especially for popular videos.", "it's the justification for being laid off \"you're redundant\"\n\nIt doesn't work in this case.", "You’re completely missing the point.", "Personally I just refuse to 'like' or 'dislike' anything since its meaningless now.\n\nIf enough people do that, the great algorithm will suffer, and they won't like that. But ironically I do not have a dislike button for them to express it so...", "Creeps will use any platform. If non-creeps refuse to use platforms, it will always only be creeps.", "Redundancy absolutely sometimes means pointless.", "> I have never found a case where I needed a dislike count to know If the video Was helpful to me or accurate.\n\nYes, exactly. I use youtube all the time when my appliances break or start behaving in weird ways. It's pretty easy to find the useful videos. I've never once even glanced at the like/dislike ratio for these videos.\n\nHere's the trick:\n\n1. Start watching video.\n2. Do they have the same model washing machine that you have? If 'No', then it's not useful, otherwise continue.\n3. Are they describing the same issue you're having? If 'No', then it's not useful, otherwise continue.\n4. Continue to watch what they do.\n5. Are they able to get to the root cause of the problem, show that it was causing the problem, address it, and put the washing machine back together? If 'Yes', then it was useful.", "Engagement is a secondary bonus to this. They were under massive pressure from their corporate partners who kept getting dislike bombed for releasing shit tier content", "That's a lot of work. And assumes people will disclose their dislikes if they're not flattering.", "Always thought the meme around this video was totally backwards\n\nBecause equal likes and dislikes implies everybody has a strong opinion about this, just that the same number of people have positive feelings as have negative feelings \n\nWouldn't the real joke have been if the video have 0 likes and 0 dislikes? Because that actually means that nobody ever had strong feelings about it...", "Guy has just decided to ignore the platform you're actually talking about and assert that you're defending a different platform entirely, and he will only continue to engage in this conversation with that delusion.", "That's redundant", "Redundant =/ neutral", "That's your first thought? Maybe on political videos sure. But, for a large amount of videos like instructional videos and tutorials, the dislike ratio is a good indicator of whether or not the information given is helpful or just bullshit. I wasted 10 minutes just the other day watching a how to fix your hot water heating element video where the guy didn't even fix his water heater. The video ended with him saying \"I guess I'll have to get a new water heater.\" That was one of the top search results with a lot of views but the only way to tell it was bs was by watching the entire thing.", "nope, it's not \ncurrent like to dislike ration is 573,887 / 573,885", "They are still equal. You can see dislike count using an extension Return YouTube Dislike, until they completely remove dislike counter from their API as well.", "It's famous for always having an equal amount of likes and dislikes, but now dislikes are hidden", "There's no chance in hell Spotify ever offers the same freedom as Soundcloud. Companies always get more restrictive over time as they face external pressure. It's never the other way around.", "[You know what this calls for!](https://youtu.be/roRQ2mNwMMQ)", "The video maintained the same number of likes as dislikes, thus making it neutral.\n\nWithout being able to see dislikes, it ruins the joke.", "Google is also paid for the front page, and Google is working it's way towards pay to use as well. Long gone are the days you can use Google to give you hundreds of thousands of relevant searches, unless you know all the codes to properly search, something you learn in school, if your library / computer science teachers are good enough. \n\nI think you're failing to see that all your suggestions are coming from an old internet or your prior knowledge that people who don't even have a car that's going to break down on them has yet.", "It's part of it. You're missing the point in the most ridiculous way.", "Kinky", "I was talking about Rumble, not TruthSocial.com. Get over yourself, weirdo.", "As the spread of misinformation becomes more of a problem these companies shouldn't be removing tools that fight it.\n\nMoney money yada yada it's one planet and not everyone who will works there is going to get to escape to mars.", "Stfu", "I don't see anything that explains what this actually does?", "You could've skipped through the video, put it on x2 or read the comments.", "About another week or so IIRC.", "I'm not boycotting it, but it may hopefully help open a door for competitors again. Which I'd whole-heatedly switch over to and never look back from.", "It's simple to buy likes. With no dislikes to counter bad, not useful content, any bad tutorial or videos can just spend a little money and stack the likes to look legit. There were other solutions to keep brands happy. This just isn't it.", "Agreed 100% - removing the dislike counters really has hindered the ability to find quality content on YT from crap.", "This may have an unintended positive effect: it will force people to actually use their brains and do real research to accomplish tasks rather than just lazily look for stuff on youtube", "YouTube had meetings with bigger creators on this topic, not to listen to them or anything, but to solely tell them they don't care. The users and creators both dislike this change and thinks it hurts the platform. This change is for the creators and users, they made it clear they don't care what any of think. This change was for a different group, that will solely benefit from it, while everyone else's experience is made worse by it.", "He's picking a fight. He knows tons of people use the algorithm.\n\n> I’m missing out by not wasting time watching videos an algorithm chooses for me? Nah, bro, I have better things to do with my time.\n\nImplying if you're using the algorithm on YouTube, you're wasting your time. Other people respond because they're offended. Argument ensues - he gets what he wants. This kind of interaction is super common on Reddit, and oddly enough, people usually upvote the instigator. It's bizarre.", "Odysee", "Well I believe I’ve made myself perfectly redundant", "They've archived the dislike count on [\"every video with over 100 views“](https://reddit.com/r/InternetIsBeautiful/comments/rahyo2/_/hniw9p7/?context=1), meaning it will still be extremely accurate for old videos (barring dislike brigades in the future).", "That's why I didn't say redundancy is pointless. I said it can imply pointlessness, not that it always does.\n\nMeaning in come uses, but not the one used in OP's title.", "Not to mention that there really isn't a viable competitor.", "There are already dozens, just not as prolific. However, I firmly believe that Youtube is heading in a downward spiral. It was much nicer when it wasn't owned by google, and had a really decent partner program that didn't kill whole channels for political reasons. I, quite frankly, don't think I need to do anything to to get the outcome I desire.", "Lol what are you gonna do? Switch to Vimeo? Haha", "Sure, sure, but SoundCloud will never have a user base big enough to justify a massive investment to host video content. So while you think Spotify isn't an ideal substitute to YT, SoundCloud absolutely is not either.", "Honestly someone should just make a YouTube alternative at this point but without all the bullshit. I would probably use it if it’s just as accessible and has, at the very most, ads that don’t compromise the video display in any way, including pre-roll commercials.", "Everyone has wanted to for a while. Google is just as souless and greedy as any other megacorporation, so we need to fight them as consumers as much as possible. Unfortunately, they own a monopoly, and our government doesn't do anything about that anymore.", "It's still at even likes and dislikes. I think a lot of people have the dislike extension and will keep this going for now.", "I feel like people give way too much credit to the assumed intelligence of the masses. Upvotes/downvotes are the last thing I'd look to for car repair advice. I just don't understand it tbh.", "You know, this is a good natural experiment.... with the removal of the dislike button, we can see if the interney really does have no opinion one way or the other (and we have those handy dandy extensions to verify)", "Meh, I don’t care one way or the other.", "Happy cock day!", "What the fuck are you on about", "Honestly has change.org actually made any impact with petitions in any country? \nJust seems like a place for people to vent under the guise of creating movement that goes nowhere.", "Yes, you are. My point was I don’t like watching YouTube videos because I prefer to spend my time on other interests so I don’t really care what the algorithm serves me and you’re trying to tell me I’m wrong because the algorithm knows what I like.", "Hyperfocus (and only having 2 movies on one VHS tape) had me watch Jumani & Forrest Gump on repeat 3x a day for a month.", "It's lost", "Yeah youre correct I was talking about rumble as well, the investor prospectus I quoted is for rumble. I now see truthsocial is the one that has that clause, so at least rumble isn't that thin skinned. But I have zero trust rumble given who the big investors are, all obvious grifters and who limit free speech more than any big tech has. I mean Devin nunes tried to sue a cow, Greenwald bitches about mainstream media nonstop while always going on fox News which he doesn't criticize, bongino nothing more needs to be said about that hack.", "A two second Google search would tell you that the partner program didn't exist until after Google bought YouTube.", "Yes, but it will lose accuracy over time as things change.", "Found it for you:\n \nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ussCHoQttyQ", "Instead of a dislike I go out of the way to talk shit about the video. I'm trying to do my part and I review a few dozen tech tip videos per day in hopes someone doesn't download aids", "There's literally no politics around the dislike button. It's literally the big companies that exploit Youtube getting their feelings hurt when people dislike their videos and giving money to Youtube to get rid of it. That and Youtube doesn't like it when they have the most disliked videos in history themselves.", "Or YouTube should have not removed the dislike numbers in the first place...", "What’s redundant is how many times people keep posting this", ">so that I didn't have to waste half an hour watching the whole thing just to be disappointed. \n\nThat's the point. Doesn't matter if it's good or bad content, more eyeballs is more eyeballs.", "So what? Who cares. Just make 'likes' half of views or something.\n\nIt's not even a good reference. The neutrals would have kept the vote at 0 to 0. They never would have picked a like or dislike vote at all.\n\nAnd for all the people crying that they'll never be able to find good videos anymore because of the loss of dislikes. This video is a perfect example of why that's bs. This video had a 50% like to dislike ratio, that sounds pretty bad to me, this must be a bad video that I shouldn't watch, right? Or is it that way due to vote manipulation?", "Thank goodness that chrome extension exists because the joke still works.", "Geez I had to sit through an ad longer than the video.", "You clicked on a non official video from a non official channel, for something that hasn't had a release date confirmed and you blame it on not having dislikes? \n\nBlame it on you being an idiot lmao", "[this is what’s happening ](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/262/097/032.jpg)", "> It's famous for always having an equal amount of likes and dislikes\n\nOh no... actually never-mind, I stopped caring half-way through that sentence.", "Wikipedia should create a tutorial portion of their website and host videos.", "Its hard to say, because I dont think a politician etc would ever admit directly to it. I've seen news articles been written because of a [change.org](https://change.org) petition, and i've seen those journalists reach out to a company or politician that then change their position on something because of the negative press about them. \n\nSo its one of those things where it doesn't directly bring about change, but helps bring awareness to an issue.", "I think you may have crossed your signals there.", "It could be. I haven't really looked into them. And they do ask for money when you sign, so maybe it's a big scam. Honestly it's just the first petition I saw. Perhaps someone could coordinate getting a huge group to flood their support with \"My app is broken, it doesn't show the dislike count\".\n\nReally though, I doubt this is reversible. Google did it purely for their profit and doesn't actually care about creators and users. They do have a history of ignoring feedback.", "Mostly because it's a money-losing business", "For anyone on Google Chrome there is an extension that will bring back the dislike counter. \n\n[https://returnyoutubedislike.com/](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/)\n\nYou're welcome.", "You thinking YouTube is a left wing cesspool is hilarious....", "There is a browser extension that puts the dislike back.", "I know this, don't conflate the two. I could have worded it better, but their devolving of the partner program, imo, sealed the fate of YT. Poor decision.", "Lets you upvote or downvote anything on a website as well as comment anything. Having the extension enabled allows you to see the like/dislike ratio and comments on the page you're viewing in another browser window. Gab is used to host that data because its API allows for it. (Basically a blogging type site similar to Twitter, although its admins are considered prudes in some circles due to restrictions on images. They also lean a bit conservative on some issues. Don't care about that in the context of the Dissenter plug-in though, as it's main use is text only.)\n\nSo you can like/dislike and comment where those things are officially disabled. Like I said, it has its use.", "The like count is irrelevant because there is no dislike count for it to be equal to.", "Yuuuup, my ex told me that she had a video of her being raped uploaded on there, won 50k as part of a large lawsuit against PH.", "I hate that the reason they're doing this is because, what, to spare creators' feelings from negative feedback? They better disable the comments then because there's no point in disabling one without the other.\n\nNormally I'm against the \"fuck your feelings\" crowd because they are typically anti-vax nutjobs but in this one instance... fuck their (YouTube/It's Creators') feelings, if you didn't want feedback don't publicly post a video and leave an open forum for communication like comments.", "The further truth is that these social media companies are doing everything they can to keep you addicted to watching video after video, scrolling forever, staying engaged with their platform as long as possible. They probably did research that showed that you are more likely to stop scrolling/interacting with their app when you run into something with a lot of dislikes.\n\nI know I have caught myself almost in a trance-like state just watching video after video, and the only thing that knocks me out of it is running into a video that has a high dislike:like ratio. I try to stay aware of what I'm watching now, but I feel like most people don't.", "The politics was in regards to the extension that officially got removed from the add-on directory. The Mozilla and Chrome devs got brigaded by those complaining, and rolled over and went along with it. Stupid though because the extension does doesn't really take sides. Some people just got too offended by the idea that people could still comment on things and voice an opinion where they didn't want it seen. Yeah, there's troll or shit post bullshit on occasion. But it's not that hard to ignore it if you consider the quality of such posts.", "Why swallow it", "One of the nice things about these tutorials is you can often find them for your exact make/model/generation of car. The top channels are rarely going to have tutorials that specific.", "You're just proving them right. Think how much more time you would spend on YouTube if you can't measure the quality of what you're looking for.", "> I’ve never heard someone watching a TikTok say “if only they would add a dislike so I can show how much I hate this”\n\nBecause TikTok isn't marketed to the same audiences complaining. The average tiktok kid doesn't give a shit about dislikes or well curated content. They only care about their free low effort tiktok entertainment.", "YouTube is no longer a useful tool. It's just more social media driven garbage, clickbait noise, money hungry mindrot.", "Fuck it, I'll say it. make your own video hosting service, with hookers and blow", "Half the time those videos are downvoted because the person isn't speaking perfect English, or not wearing proper safety gear, or other things equally pedantic. And in the case it's objectively wrong, comments will tell you. Conversely there's \"food hack\" / \"life hack\" videos that are outright lies with positive ratings.", "\"This piece of Youtube history\" != the like count\n \nAlso, the like count is irrelevant to what? I don't think that's the correct word.", "Not only that, but many people avoid scams on youtube just by seeing the like dislike ratio. Now we would be more susceptable to scams.", "[https://returnyoutubedislike.com/](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/) \n\njust gonna leave that link here", "I think the word you were looking for is “irrelevant.”", "Thanks youtube, idiots", "Anybody that wants to go with Elon to Mars is an idiot. If they don't realize they are literally slave labor and they have nobody to report it to, they have no way to get back, they will be trapped doing whatever they are told. \n\nI feel bad for anybody too stupid to realize that.", "Or you can tell at a glance that the video isn't worth watching by reading the description and likes/dislikes. go ahead and use your five step process that amounts to just watching the whole video and finding out though lol", "And it was just the start. If someone with authority said that they are hosting CP, and doing it knowledgeably - I guess shit would have really hit the fan.", "In short, YouTube removal of the dislike button is a threat to everybody's lives.", "You thinking it isn't, is hilarious...", "The only way to fix this is to get every person who liked it to unlike now", "We should continue it on reddit on this post. Let's get this post down to 0 upvotes!", "Inconceivable!", "i would be happy, if i felt like, i had the ability to create a meaningfull effect in my own life\n\n\non the other hand, i am too lazy to figure out the correct use of commas in this sentence", "This post is redundant. We've seen it a dozen times in the last few days.", "I love me some Maurice LaMarche.", "thanks. a burgess in there somewhere!", "He mentioned escaping to Mars and I said how stupid somebody would have to be to do it.", "uBlock Origin and block element, removed the entire thing, much like i did with the trending, gaming and other buttons.\nAlso, because i can't figure out what videos are good now, and can't be bothered to dig through crap, threw the search function as well.\nI'm sticking to exactly what i have now, don't need more.", "we really need to boycott this youtube change. I don’t think people understand how serious the implication of this is. It is a way to slow down and lower the quality of learning available on youtube moving forward. This is a direct attack on free information. You used to be able to glance at the like/dislike ratio to see if it was worth watching, now you must watch a decent amount, if not the whole thing to know. This is backwards progress. Please complain to you tube and write complaints in the comments. We need a movement to change this back!", "Sorry for answering your question?", "it’s a direct attack on free knowledge and information", "oh hell yeah", "That's brilliant actually", "we should all just dislike every video we watch, even the ones you like from makers you like, until it changes back!!!", "That's called Wikihow and uh... yea...\n\nTo be fair, it could probably be more reliable if it was Wikipedia sized, but it's a whole can of worms.\n\nEdit: I don’t mean Wikipedia owns Wikihow, just that it is an example of the Wiki format falling short for this use case.", "Seems like an opportunity for someone to make a new video website", "I agree, best case scenario going to mars makes you a slave in a billionaire death cult but the most realistic thing is that it's not viable and is just another avenue to suck up money and resources as the planet spins towards self destruction.", ">I feel like the only people who care are content creators \n\nThat is an unsustainable position, even with a cursory survey. \n\n>I use youtube all the time and I couldn't care less about upvotes and downvotes \n\nAgain, countless people did use the measure, as crude as it was. Manipulation was surely an issue, but they threw the baby out with the bathwater. I want them to fill the bath with clean water and get serious about protecting it from toxicity. \n\n>The voting system is used by creators to massively downvote other newer users content. \n\nCan you prove this is a \"massive\" problem? \"Creator-borne attacks\" is not what was articulated as the supposed problem, anyway. \n\n>The internet was far better before moderation. \n\nI'd venture that the Internet was very different in the non-specific time you seem to be nostalgic about. Its popularity and patronage has exploded, and so has the volume of content generated every second of every day. It can never be like it was \"before moderation\", as some blanket change, without fundamentally ignoring how dramatically the usage and population of users has changed. \n\n>instead of this unrandom moderation paid for by people who can afford teams of people artificially boosting their product while limiting others. \n\nWhat makes you think the removal of downvotes/dislikes stops that? Suppose Amazon takes away the imperfect star ratings and only allows \"likes\"; that'd sure help with those unfairly harmed by voting manipulation, but at the cost of handicapping the vast majority. \n\n>Jack Pauls \n\n\"Jake Paul\"? That vapidness is borne of more complex levers than the ability to count \"dislikes\". \n\n>Rich kids with the resources to hire teams \n\nAgain, no one is hiring teams to give 200 downvotes to some guy with a video about replacing a lower control arm. Tutorials/education are a major reason for viewership, and it's fundamentally harder to spend your time wisely if you don't know that the community has found some \"resource\" to be unreliable. This superficial \"you just gotta roll the dice, man\" is plain ignoring reality. \"Dislikes\" are a way to express an opinion, just as writing is. It's an abbreviated way to say \"I don't like this.\" I'll be the first to say YouTube could have done way, way, way better with ensuring value in vote counts, but I don't see interest in fixing the integrity of the platform. They have plain interest in obscuring disapproval, because doing so will only generate more money with their user base as large as it is. \n\n>You people are the reason the internet sucks. \n\nOK. \n\n>You people will never learn. \n\n...", "Lol", "What kind of dummy is boycotting YouTube", "I feel like this is a square and rectangle situation. There are forms of redundancy that create pointlessness, however that doesn't make pointless and redundant synonyms.", "I do! I have strong feelings one way and the other.", "Furthermore, it concurs.", "I think the idea was that the extension itself starts to keep track of the dislike count once youtube removes the API.", "YouTube just needs to hide the number of views each video has gotten so far to complete the fuckup. Even with dislikes hidden, useful videos will get linked to more, so will find themselves with more views.", "Yes, just like a hot dog is a sandwich.", "Those damn neutrals....they make me sick", "my youtube must be bugged because I can still see dislikes. I've switched accounts and I couldn't see them anymore, but when I switched back I still could. I think I've been chosen", "They have an ad campaign currently running talking about how great the tutorials are", "Feature not a bug", "1. how hard is it to migrate away from youtube\n2. is there another website like youtube we can all start using", "Not really though. They aren't removing downvoted or bad content. They're normalizing all content, thereby making bad content indistinguishable from good content.", "I mean, shouldn't we all unlike the video until it reaches like 0 ... to uhh, restore balance ... or something?", "It pretty much puts power in to the hands of bad actors and takes power away from people that are genuine.", "To some degree it could be argued.", "That's what my first thought was. When I look up how to videos, I look at the like to dislike ratio to get an idea if the guide is good enough. Also, those videos that scam people are going to have a field day with fake links.", "I'm probably the last to find out but if you view the video in Incognito mode or logged out it shows the dislike count.\n\nAt least it did as of three days ago.", "\\6. Follow their steps and get electrocuted once you turn it on because the genius you where watching managed to turn a $5 issue into a watery death trap.", "this censorship is just going to get worse, but as long as it happens to the people you hate its ok right?", "They say this change is for small content creators, but we all know this is for big media companies. I guess Disney and other companies got sick of their shitty videos getting downvoted into oblivion. \n\n\nI don't understand why Youtube cares so much about Hollywood's feelings, when in some cases, they're bigger than Hollywood. They could be the one to call the shots to Hollywood.", "> Or you can tell at a glance that the video isn't worth watching by reading the description and likes/dislikes\n\nExcept that doesn't work with small channels or videos with very low views. I don't trust like/dislike ratios anyway.\n\nWatching some of the video is the only way you'll know anyway. It could be a perfectly good video with a high like ratio, but if it's not for my specific washing machine, or doesn't address the specific problem I'm having, it won't be useful to me.\n\nIt's mostly moot anyway, because 9 times out of 10, the first video returned is useful.\n\nIt's like with google's web search. It never had like/dislike counters and yet somehow we got by just fine with it. It's very easy to scan the first page of results to figure out which might be useful. More than 9 times out of 10, if you didn't find it on the first page of results, you just weren't going to find it. And would you really trust the votes on the pages that came up for \"educational\" searches like \"does 5g cause cancer\"?", "You take that back!", "Install the Google chrome extension that allows you to see dislikes", "Well I have strong feelings one way over the other.", "Sorry for being snarky, you did simply answer my question.", "So, Facebook a few years ago", "I have been thinking of this video ever since that policy started", "Sure, how does $15/month sound?", "Finally!", "But who watches hours worth of ads if you can find everything you need in only two videos?", "you made a wrong assumption, based on your own preconceived notions, that this stranger (whom you know next to nothing about) is “missing out on a lot of good content” after they’ve already told you they don’t prefer to watch youtube videos. how hard i that to grasp?? people are into wildly different things… imagine that.", "My point is more that YouTube began with dislikes and is now taking them away. If TikTok began with dislikes as well and also tried to take them away, people would be angry. Regardless of what Reddit thinks about TikTok being a bunch of stupid kids, it’s human nature to be angry when something is taken away. You better believe that TikTok would be up in arms in the same way", "Dosn't really matter, they basically have to censor and run similar rules or eventually they have all forms of payment processing cut off", "You favor a system that benefits bad practices that reduces the democratization of the internet in favor of the same corrupt systems that benefits resources and wealth over talent and quality \n\n> You favor a system that benefits bad practices that reduces the democratization of the internet in favor of the same corrupt systems that benefits resources and wealth over talent and quality \n\nI doubt you even understand the words you're parroting here. Imagine saying Siskel and Ebert inspired a horde of shitty movies by daring to rate some poorly.", "I'm trying to use the ratio likes:views but that's obviously not going to work. I hate this change an awful lot", "I simply made the point that there's other things you can do, it's not like have to just sit there like an idiot and do nothing.", "Steps 1-5 ensure that your step 6 doesn't happen.\n\nI could just as easily refute the utility of dislikes by writing:\n\n1. Does the video have a high like ratio? If 'Yes', then it's useful.\n2. Follow their steps and get electrocuted because dumb people liked the video.\n\nNot everything people 'like' on youtube is actually good.", "The term is used as redundant means 'surplus to requirements', which is the only way in which redundancy can be used as a route to get rid of staff.\n\nIf someone was useless they would just get fired for incompetence. For redundancy the entire job needs to be no longer required so even if they had someone that was perfect for the job they would still be let go.", "You are weeks late to this joke", "There are some Chrome and other browser add-ons which enable it. It's currently at 573k to 572.9k", "because hollywood is still a bigger client than small creators", "If YouTube keeps this up, they'll create an opportunity for (more) competition, so I'm all for it actually.", "eh, they’re stating that it would be a waste of their own time. they never once refer to other people’s time.\n\nto begin with, others had told them that “they’re missing out” which is a projection of their own belief. if you enjoy the algorithm, great! but don’t assume everyone else should as well.", "its a good idea, but how much storage will the database take? it's hardly trivial and will require continuous support.", "> but if it's not for my specific washing machine, or doesn't address the specific problem I'm having, it won't be useful to me.\n\nIf somebody can't competenty put that information in the description I'm not going to trust their advice anyway.\n\nI often use it for the same purposes you do\n\n\n\nStep 1: Read the description. Is it for my car/appliance/tool?.If the poster is to much of an idiot to not put that extremely basic info in the description then I'm not going to listen to what they have to say. \n\nStep 2: Look at likes/dislikes. This is indictive of bad advice, a poorly shot videos or glaring omissions.", "They want to remove it for that very reason.", "I wouldn't condone anything actually bad, but could people just flood youtube with videos including stuff companies definitely wouldn't want to condone. And with a lack of dislikes it would appear to people watching that YouTube and their advertisers are ok with the content of said videos? I'm too old to really fuck with YouTube but I've been on reddit enough to know their algorithms are dog shit, surely they couldn't keep up with a mass movement like that right?", ">Imagine saying Siskel and Ebert inspired a horde of shitty movies by daring to rate some poorly.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/movies/comments/8ktr3c/comment/dzagmj3/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3", "Isn't that just a you thing?", "download the fricking extension guys it works 100% fine", "I'd rather ask the question why all the others died considering it's a worthwhile post. But I know. It's because Redditors browsing new downvote most things and it takes a lot of luck to escape that.", "A basic frozen in time dislike count that just stores the likes/dislikes as they where would only need the video id and the counts. One that can be updated would also have to keep track of dislikes made by each user, so it would scale with the amount of people using the plugin. \n\nHard part would be keeping track of users and bots, I think youtube still has to correct view counts and likes every year because of that.", "Delete YouTube. Find something new.", "That's exactly what the image represents. The downvotes became invisible, but the upvotes give a false image of a good video", "Everyone just needs to go back and unlike it", "for now", "You should read the comment riiiiight below that.", "I've seen large and small channels both be targets of that kind of trolling. For legitimate users the dislike button has exactly the same effect as it always has.", "Not really, because the algorithm doesn't really care whether you like or dislike, just that you engage with the content and both options count as that. For example, open a random video and dislike it, you'll still receive recommendations for similar stuff, you'll only stop receiving them if you explicitly tell youtube to stop recommending that content.", "The thing is, not enough people will. For the vast majority, this change will have absolutely no effect on their YouTube experience.", "It’s frustrating like Facebook. I’d love to move on to another platform, but the other people are why I’m there. If I could get the same content from the same people delivered the same way I’d leave. Who wants to go back to LiveJournal with me!", "Ahh you’ve hit the nail on the head and you don’t even realize why. Dislikes plague official sources of information. The WHO, CDC, White House, etc… When information on vaccine booster shots, for example, get 10x more dislikes it undermines the authority’s voice and the public’s confidence in a message. \n\nThem removing dislikes is 100% because they don’t want the public decide what is misinformation. Whether it’s the correct way to change your brakes or if people should wear masks.", "None of what you said is true. Creating moderation that equates to views and dollars will always be manipulated. Its a tool that has created a cottage industry of advertising and marketing hence why you see so many people angry about it. Now its the internet, don't be fucking literal and understand there's a huge range of things that contribute. But I am saying the benefit of having voting does not benefit anybody and has 100% led to a terrible internet regardless if you don't see it. Maybe you're the problem. The internet today is not what it was years ago and it was the creation of these moderation tools that ushered in this horrible social media types. You all feed that system. The internet needs to return to a more random system that can't be exploited by greasy executives looking to pump their clients to the top. Its only going to get worse with you people", "This is our first time asking but if everyone gives two dollars…", "That's just sad", "> eh, they’re stating that it would be a waste of their own time. they never once refer to other people’s time.\n\nThat's what an implication is. \"the conclusion that can be drawn from something although it is not explicitly stated.\" The user did not explicitly state that you are wasting your time by using the algorithm, he implied it.\n\nThe issue I'm describing isn't whether or not someone should enjoy using the algorithm. What I'm saying is the user is fishing for an argument by implying that others are wasting their time by using the algorithm. That's the entire point of his post - not that he actually believes the algorithm is a waste of time - but that millions of people do use the algorithm, and are likely to counter his implication. And just look at the replies - it worked fantastically. These types of exchanges occur constantly on Reddit, and like I said, the instigator is usually upvoted, just like you see happening here. It's fascinating to watch.\n\nAnd for pointing out this process, I expect that I, too, shall be downvoted, or at least receive antagonistic replies. Humans are strange!", "I've already run into this exact issue. How to remove drill press chuck. The first search result seemed OK until I got to the comments and someone mentioned that this is the way they were taught NOT to do it for reasons a, b, and C. \n\nJust mind bogglingly stupid.", "This post is now redundant because it's been reposted multiple times.", "The only way to judge now is if there are comments. \n\nI bet they'll figure out some way of hiding negative comments too lol", "They should make a sfw video site called The Hub", "I think there is such a thing as too big and too small.", "Without anything bad, there can be no great.\n\n-the og you tube creator guy.", "The point was that there wouldn't be any need to do those things if the dislike numbers stayed as they were. Otherwise it's more time wasting for a 50/50 result whether something was useful or not. Also factors whether or not the comments are filtered or disabled.", "It’s for the news and reviews. Prior to the removal looking at the ratio on those vs independent journalists that were willing to document controversial things live it was very clear who was manipulating events. IGN doesn’t enjoy being proven shills anymore than NBC does being called liars.", "right, i understand the definition and the general banter on reddit, i just don’t agree with you in this instance.\n\nhe was solely responding to people worried about his algorithm, by stating that he didn’t care about it, and they couldn’t even begin to imagine such a thing lol. \n\nbut i also agree wholly with you that humans are very strange! we sure do love our opinions (especially when they can been expressed with near anonymity over the internet 😇).\n\nno downvote here, my friend!", "I have Return Youtube Dislikes extension and it's still even XD", "Hopefully someone develops a bot to record all the highest disliked videos.", "> If somebody can't competenty put that information in the description I'm not going to trust their advice anyway.\n\nDishwashers, washing machines, and fridges are notorious for having useless model names/numbers. There's so much \"badge engineering\" and new/different models and numbers that are basically the same thing. So whether a youtube video has or doesn't have a specific model in the description might be completely irrelevant.\n\nThere's also a ton of things that are common to those types of appliances across all makes and models, so you can use the information regardless if it's for your model or not. Other times, the thing you're looking to fix is very specific to your model. You really can't tell until you watch at least some of the video. If they start unscrewing something and your model just doesn't have a screw there, then you know you can move on. But it doesn't make their video bad or worthy of a dislike, it just means it wasn't useful to you.", "I don't have an opinion on this.", "If you’re not redundant, are you dundant?", "I mean this video was talked about extensively when the news came out, so OP is very late to the party.", "I'm someone who normally rolls my eyes at the way people get absolutely incensed by any minor change to a product, website design or service. Most of the time, the company knows more about what their customers want than the people ranting and raving online.\n\nBut honestly, the dislike is such a useful feature. I can tell in a split second if the video is worth watching, which is really important if you're searching for something like video tutorials, where there are a bunch of similar videos from random small channels, and most of them are garbage.\n\nI'm still not saying this is a bad business move. I'm sure the YouTube exec team know what they're doing, and I doubt a huge amount of YouTube watch time comes from speculative searches, which is the only place where the dislike button really adds value. Subscribers and the YouTube algorithm are clearly where they are trying to push the business to, and yeah, the dislike button is entirely redundant in this case.", "Time to make a new site... me.tube will have all the original reason YouTube was made.. YouTube can keep its click bait influencers", "I still don't get that from the image at all.", "K", "This guy made a script to restore YouTube dislikes. It does not use the dislike API so it will still work after December 13th. Highly recommend.\n\nhttps://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/qtyn45/i\\_coded\\_a\\_userscript\\_to\\_restore\\_the\\_dislike/", "[Cube Rule](https://cuberule.com)", "The thing is though that Youtube is not really meant to sort this stuff anyway, you should be asking outside of Google for recommendations.\n\nParkTool has a good channel with most things you need to know about bikes. Google does not know this, but /r/bikewrench does.", "It’s also not operated by the same people, they’re both just wiki format sites. Wikimedia is far and away the best at managing these types of site, but even their efforts are a mixed success outside of Wikipedia itself.", "Subaru debuted a new WRX and the launch vid got more dislikes than likes. Subaru pulled the vid from search. This is why they're getting rid of them I would think. So corporations can hide a bit more.", "Huh, redundant does mean pointless. I always thought it meant like \"expendable because there's a backup\".", "Or you can just be remotely clever instead of just calling attention to a slight mistyping dummie", "[https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/qtyn45/i\\_coded\\_a\\_userscript\\_to\\_restore\\_the\\_dislike/](https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/qtyn45/i_coded_a_userscript_to_restore_the_dislike/)\n\nThis works better and does not use the dislike API.", "I agreed at first and went to see the definition to have proof that it was the wrong word.... And it turns out it is indeed the correct word. Redundant means \"useless\". I used to think it meant \"expendable because there's a backup\".", ">when really it can mean “no longer useful as a result of excess”\n\nAll definition of redundant imply some kind of excess, even when not used pejoratively. This is completely irrelevant here.", "I never gave a fuck about up or downvotes, so I never used it as a reference for anything. \n\nthe only reason why I press dislike on Youtube, is to let the AI know I don't enjoy this video, so please don't recommend it or this author, to me anymore.", "How very redundant of you to notice", "Is this a move to compete with Tiktok and Instagram? Bmx videos have gone from months long productions(preyoutube)to 5-10 minute edits(preinstagram) to single 15s clips(Instagram) over the past 15 years. Full length videos are rare and saving your stuff for YouTube is rare as well.", "There is a browser extension called \"[Return Youtube Dislike](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)\". After installing it you have the dislike button back and everything is like normal. The link is for chrome, but you can find this for other browsers too. \n\nI hope this helps someone if not already installed.", "We need to cut out the middleman. We need to replace Google", "The word you're looking for is \"obselete\", not redundant.", "There's a chrome extension that allows you to see dislikes.", "That hasn't been true for years. YouTube makes money.", "Oh well, i have no strong feelings regarding this one way or the other", "It's way worse, most people think they are the center of the universe, and what they don't like, no one should like.", "Now this is my kind of humour", "Sure, but it has to imply pointlessness by context. This video is not pointless due to redundancy.", "lol, the search results are heavily affected by your like/dislike. \n\nOpen incognito mode and search again.", "Hiding downvotes on videos is a TERRIBLE idea, but interestingly I think hiding them on comments has actually been a good thing overall.", "Am I the only one doesn't care? I can just read the comments to figure out if the occasional fix-it-yourself video will work or not.", "While this was always fascinating to see, I maintain that the true embodiment of this clip would be to have absolutely no likes nor dislikes. This is about neutrality, not balance.", "My rule has always been that if it's good, I like it, if it's meh/bad I don't do anything, and if it's godawful or harmful I dislike it. If it's super duper awful and harmful I'll dislike it AND report it.\n\nThis probably isn't that special, but now I don't even get the choice. Just feels wrong. This is worse than when they took away the star ratings from YouTube.", "TIL removing the dislike button almost killed or injured someone family.", ">\tRemoving the dislikes button ... forces us to watch every single video on a subject...\n\nI think that's the whole point. More views = more $$$", "Without the dislike counter, you'd watch a few dozen videos in order to find the right one and you'd subscribe so you'd know who to watch in the future.", "I bet if we all agreed on one, flooded to it, and promoted it aggressively there might be.", "I guess what I meant was that I've seen it across a lot of different subs.", "Ratings and dislikes/likes for me have never been a means to measure the quality. I assume from the get go that they are false and have paid upvotes or removed down votes. You look at people actually doing or using the thing and you have to just figure it out yourself. The ratings have never been accurate or helpful to me in the very least.", "Levi-ohh-sahh!", "But creators already had the option to disable voting and comments, why not just do that on a per-channel basis when stuff like vaccine related content is constantly brigaded?", "Luckily it was never \"Youtube\" history, and the platform along with everyone running it can get strung.", "Yes, but the dislike numbers aren't as they were. This fact does not cripple you.", "Isn't wikiHow more like \"explain like I was born yesterday\"? Maybe highly technical stuff exists there, it most of it seems to target a lower bar", "I guess I use YouTube differently than a lot of people, I go there, only go to the subscriptions tab, click on videos from channels I already trust and are entertained by, and when I'm done watching the video that I clicked on, I closed that tab and move on with my day. I can't think of the last time YouTube recommended something to me which turned out to be something I actually wanted to watch, so why would I look at any of their algorithmic stuff?", "That's not what they said/implied. they're saying it's removing a tool to help others judge the quality of the content.", "I mean, if I can't trust the source, then I'll go look elsewhere for information instead of YouTube. So....I spend less time.", "I was like \"huh, why did I dislike this?\" then I remember and got sad.", "Op buy a dictionary", "You're presumably not familiar with the original and the premise. It's an image of Stalin and Nikolai Yezhov who was later removed after [a denouncing](https://www.history.com/news/josef-stalin-great-purge-photo-retouching) and the images became a tool for fear and propaganda. \n\nShowing the removal of the character in this context keeps the \"original\" but removes the figure serving as a counterpoint.", "There is an add-on for Firefox, Chrome, and Brave that shows the dislikes now, but I can only update every few days for some reason.", "A few years ago I read an article (in Wired I think) about a company that had a warehouse full of people making useless tutorial videos that they'd monetize. I bet their business model will get a boost.", "You don't see any gap for how \"just figuring it out\" can have some drastic negative consequences? If I get some confidently incorrect person putting something on display, and if I'm not an expert in the field of the thing I'm watching, doesn't that set me up to fail? We can't all go to school on everything.\n\nAnd I don't think there's a strong basis out there to distrust the like/dislike system--I can't believe most how-to's have enough at stake to bother spoofing or buying likes, I'm not sure I believe removing dislikes is as easy as your position implies, and even if the above abuses existed, removing the dislike counter only strengthens the ability to abuse by removing a user's ability to object to the video in a practical way (contents comments get lost in a sea of others and age out).", "I can guarantee you that tutorials are not going anywhere on YouTube", "Yes, you do use Youtube differently than a lot of people. A lot of people get stuck in what's called the [Youtube rabbit hole](https://medium.com/swlh/understanding-the-youtube-rabbit-hole-4d98e921eabe). And that's from clicking videos either on their front page or their subscriptions page and then continuing to click interesting-looking thumbnails in the recommended section.", "> Hard to swallow truth\n\nWhy is that hard to swallow? Everybody knows they've been doing that for a decade now. There's nothing to swallow.", "This is Vimeo's opportunity at last.", "Same issue with Facebook. Everything is trending somewhere because even if your opinion is insane, it will slowly rise amongst like-minded weirdos, and never get buried into oblivion where it belongs. We're giving agency to ideas that wouldn't normally be able to thrive in the real world.", "The idea is you want to find a specific video for a purpose, you search for it, watch it, then close youtube.", "the difference is, if you are a slave in your current country. 1/100,000,000th of the population. (you know what I mean. Its a small number I know its not exact, but it makes my point) But if you are a group of like 100 people and you are like..you know what, fuck this! You are 1/100th of the population. You matter much more than you do here. Here you're cattle that can be thrown away and ignored like a piece of scrap paper. In a place with 100 people, your opinion matters more, If you can convince 19 people youre right you have a sizable force of people.", "> \"Just lay down and accept bad things happening\"\n\nNaw, I'm good. But you have fun sticking your head in the sand.", "I do understand. I'm just sick of you telling me this over and over and over", "Get the Firefox add on to show dislikes and let's keep this alive", "And what is the \"point?\"\n\nBend over, give no resistance and let companies cornhole you until satisfied? Because that's a shit point.", "That might be the problem, true.", "Who said anything about a boycott?", ">They haven't really shown why the change itself is stupid. \n\n[Points to the top comment] Bad videos that are low-quality, incorrect or time wasting usually got massive dislike ratios on them. You could skip or ignore videos based on that before. Now you can't.\n\nWow. That sure was hard.", "Only downvoted to keep you at \"0\"", "You're not very good with memes huh", "“Wait, only that ships going to Mars, ours is headed for the Sun!” - Bart", "I’m disappointed Reddit didn’t have the wherewithal to keep the votes at 0", "the \"Return YouTube Dislike\" add on for Firefox ( other browsers too i think ) restores the downvotes.", "> \"Stuff nobody said.\"", "I have a strong opinion one way but not another.", "While at 100% agree with you on the dislikes. I must ask, what car do you have that you need to use a specific brake lubricant?\n\nI do brakes all the time, never had to use a specific lube and most of the time I don't even use it.", "Even before this, that seems like a terrible way to do things. Since shortly after Google bought them, when has Youtube actually given good recommendations?", "Damn you stats and calc classes, I knew you'd come for me one day", "Youtube is no longer about sharing entertainment or information. It's about delivering ads as quickly and accurately as possible, in order to generate maximum profit. That's it. Full stop. Everything else is completely secondary to the delivery of advertisements. Advertisements get heavily disliked, marketing companies pressured YouTube to remove dislikes, so they did.", "Nintendo had a their most disliked video ever like a week before the change", "Sounds too expensive tbh.", "Titlegore", "I have to ask, what kind of brake system required multiple different lubricants? I have only ever changed pad/rotor style brakes and the only thing I ever had to add was the putty between plate and pad to cut down on vibrations. Outside of greasing a caliper pison if it needed it this is leaving me scratching my head.", "This whole removing the dislike count is a real beige alert", "I've been wanting a new platform for stuff like this. I made a little video on how to fix a weird problem with a specific car part and had about 40k views, I just didn't like the idea of people having to watch ads just to see my video because I put it up to save people time and money, so I took it down. I guess I could just take photos and post a blog about it or share it on the forums.", "I think they can read minds. My recommended is all streamer clips because of me doing an OTV and friends / Among Us binge during the start of Covid. I read your comment and was like \"I miss longer videos about science and history\". Then I went to youtube and right there at the top it said \"Want to see more than what you're normally recommended? -Click here to expand your search-\" or something like that. It was trippy.", "This is how I do as well. The only exceptions will be sometimes when I see something interesting that is ASSOCIATED with my current video. Then I might click on it and watch another person. I might like them and add them in subs. Otherwise I leave.", "[Dark Souls got a PC port because of a huge petition.](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/dark-souls-petition-has-namcos-attention) \n\nNot really sure if I can think of anything else lol", "God forbid there be multiple interpretations of the same thing.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nMy interpretation was that the body is the content and the head is the overall votes. From one picture to the next the whole thing is removed, meaning the content is removed.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAs others are pointing out, it can also be interpreted that the downvoted person is just symbolic of the downvotes.", "The original concept of YouTube is long gone. They’re working on eliminating the vestiges of what it once was. At some point I imagine they’ll start putting out “original content” and start charging for all access and it will finally be dead.", "That's a good point, and not something I'd thought of before.", "for now there is a very easy fix: [https://returnyoutubedislike.com/](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/)\n\nthis should work until youtube cracks down on extensions like this one and hides the dislikes counter information from browsers completely", "I remember around 2008/2010 it was actually fun to follow the related videos and see how quickly they get weird. It even had it's own comment meme; \"I'm in the weird part of Youtube again\"", "Exactly. It can mean pointless in some cases, but not this case. I'm simply saying OP may have simply misunderstood what \"redundant\" meant, and that while based on context it sometimes can, redundant doesn't always mean pointless.\n\nThis video has been made pointless, not redundant.", "Next time search for 'chrisfix' awesome videos.", "Only an idiot confuses redundancy & pointlessness.", "It's definitely trivial. Storing the URL of the videos will take more space than the dislike counter itself.", "as much as we dislike", "If you like and dislike enough videos, and hit \"not interested\" in thumbnails that don't appeal to you, the algorithm can actually get quite good.\n\nI was surprised too.", "emphasis on want. Thoughts and prayers to anyone who thinks otherwise.", "Same. Replacing an EA888 intake manifold means accessing a stalk in a very narrow place with a specialised tool.\n\nAll downvoted videos were the ones skimming past this major fact.\n\n[Here's the good one if you're interested.](https://youtu.be/5WYS5pMPm8g)", "Because the only reasons channels remove like/dislike or comments is to hide negative engagement. If a whole channel was to disable those features the public would have even less trust for using them as a source.", "Honestly my first thought is \"I dont remember the last time I looked at the like/dislike button on youtube.\" Probably wont affect me at all. I will still continue to go there for entertainment purposes only and take any real world drama with a grain of salt regardless.", "Huh. I have no memory of seeing before this but I have already liked it", "This was the first thing I thought of when I heard.", "The verge pc build is going to be #1", "I've tried that in the past, and the last time that's actually worked out positively for me was when it recommended Corridor Crew's \"VFX Artists React\" videos, and it was technical breakdowns of how VFX is done in TV shows and movies. That was.....what, 3 years ago when that started? Any time since then where I've done that, I've left disappointed.", "I was an editor on YouTube Rewind 2018 and I hate they got rid of the dislike button status.", "To a very low degree. People messing with their brakes without knowing how to and \"educating\" themselves via YouTube video is the bigger issue.", "First, easier said than done. Second, what entity is going to put up the infrastructure for it? The cost to get a platform like that off the ground is expensive and will likely lose money until it's running efficiently and has lots of sponsors. Third, what is going to differentiate it from YouTube? It's going to need more than just having a dislike button.\n\nLikely it'll need to be catered to adults, meaning it'll then be less sponsor friendly. That said, I'm sure there are sponsors that wouldn't care if they're on more adult themed videos.\n\nLike I love the idea of an adult themed YouTube that ditches mainstream sponsors so you're left with brands with an edge (i.e. Liquid Death), but that's going to take 10s if not hundreds of millions to get off the ground.\n\nThis will likely need to be adopted as the goto video streaming platform for reddit or something (similar to how imgur took off) to really get traction.\n\nMy guess is that there would need to be a NSFW part of the website as well to really break through. Twitch streaming, but with the rule enforcement of Only Fans (face it, boobs make money because at the end of the day we're almost all just horny apes).\n\nCould it work? Yes. Would it take a long time to make a profit? Yes. Would you get a lot of sponsors? Yes, but they won't have a lot of money like mainstream corporate sponsors. This is going to have to have to be an anti-mainstream platform, which means you're also going to have to deal with a lot of controversy that comes with that type of target audience (both from a creator and viewer perspective).\n\nThis will also never reach the heights of YouTube, so the very best scenario is that you grab 20-30% of YouTube's marketshare.\n\nI'm not sure how profitable that would be. This would likely needed to be funded by a billionaire that wants to see this as a passion project like one of the many sports franchises they own.", "https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/18e4861f-46a2-4b2a-a1c4-40ae5b8bbd4d#XxGQkBMT.copy", "Bring back YouTube dislikes with a Chrome extension or Firefox extension\n\n\n\nhttps://youtu.be/f0goqfG_LIQ\n\n\n[chrome extension](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi)\n\n\n [Firefox add ons ](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/return-youtube-dislikes/)\n\n\nAs of right now till December 13th they're going to use YouTube API data but after that they'll use data from people using the extension to estimate the dislikes", "Perhaps. Could have also just been a simple slip-up.", "For you, apparently never. For millions of other people, all the time.", "Since YouTube isn't going to be your friend when it comes to quality information in video format, you can try checking out Skillshare or CuriosityStream instead. They're trying to fill the void in YT's educational content.", "Isn't the last para is what they want. For you to watch every single video for that juicy ad money", "I hope it comes to this. Would be nice if everyone got together and disliked every single video they watched to prove a point. Although if I understand correctly channels are rewarded for both likes and dislikes. At least it will get all the ,win channels talking about it.", "I have strong feelings one way.", "I neither care or don't care.", "Tell that to the life hack / cooking hack videos.", "https://returnyoutubedislike.com/\n\nEssential to bring back the dislikes", "Zapp Brannigan runs Youtube", "> Second, what entity is going to put up the infrastructure for it? The cost to get a platform like that off the ground is expensive and will likely lose money until it's running efficiently and has lots of sponsors.\n\nI mean, there are other general video sites that already exist, and many of them have at least somewhat better policies. We could try to agree on one to aggressively promote.\n\n>Third, what is going to differentiate it from YouTube? It's going to need more than just having a dislike button.\n\nI think YouTube has made other bad decisions over the years. Disabling community contributions, for instance. If you just reversed all their obviously boneheaded decisions that would be enough to make it obviously preferable.", "Tell YouTube I said hello", "This is funny to me cause I recently just learned how to swap out my brake pads and rotors, and I learned YT videos were pretty bad, even the ones with a great like ratio. They were helpful but almost none of them provided torque specs. So I just got the service manual, which tells you how to do it. \n\nThe part about the brake lube was even funnier. They sell lube specifically for brakes, its called brake lube. The manufacturer even provides the temp range its good for, and if its rubber safe. \n\nAlso this is so melodramatic. Like “Oh no what if my brakes kill my family”, doesn’t really match up with “an hour of research and some numbers next to thumbs up/ down is good enough for me!”", "This is a Duketastrophe!", "In British parlance being \"made redundant\" is often used for fired. As in your position is now obsolete.", "Another example of YouTube not understanding YouTube", "Redundant just indicates not strictly necessary. Not everything unnecessary is useless though, and necessity varies heavily based on the application. \n\nIn critical complex systems, redundancy is always necessary for proper functioning because proper function requires high availability, fault tolerance, and disaster recovery. Redundant systems are included by design for the purposes of backup, failover, disaster mitigation, load balancing, concurrent maintenance, etc. \n\nRedundancy might imply pointlessness in some cases; probably more historically. Modern concepts of redundancy rarely do.", "Ok, I performed the same search and while Google did automatically supply a \"useless\" definition, every actual dictionary entry under it only seems to list redundant as referring to the excessive quantity aspect.", "I'm 100% against the change, but people using plugins that make dislikes visible again can still keep it balanced.", "This is a fucking travesty", "I looked it up because of your comment and it still doesn't mean what you wrote.\n\n[redundant](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/redundant)", "> I was using the like to dislike ratio to judge the videos based on quality, \n\nWhy wouldn't you just look at the top comments? I've used youtube every day since almost the beginning. I've never once felt the need to look at the likes/dislikes. Not one time. One of my hobbies is trying new hobbies. I look at a lot of tutorials. It has never once been necessary to look at likes/dislikes\n\n(for the record I think they shouldn't remove them, but I genuinely do not see why people are acting like they cant look at comments, and just ignore channels that have them turned off)", "Just undo your likes/dislikes to return it to 0 Likes.", "The problem with tutorials is they are highly opinionated (different ways of doing things, tools, methods, etc) and can vary a lot depending on circumstances (software versions, data used, etc).\n\nWikipedia has a focus on objective and concise information that is able to be verified and cited (aka a Encyclopedia lol), so something so broad and subjective like tutorials don’t really fit in the scope of Wikipedia. YouTube is much better since it’s free form content for anyones specific needs.\n\nI probably explained that poorly but basically things can get messy if Wikipedia tried to host and maintain tutorials.", "Well ya, the more videos you watch, the more opportunities for advertising there are. YouTube is primarily an advertisement platform. The focus is on revenue, not content quality/correctness. If there's something they come up with that will generate higher revenues, they will do it, userbase be damned.", "I've blocked the like/dislike bar with my adblocker completely. No point in keeping it since it no longer serves a function", "You mis-spelled Taco.", ">It's definitely trivial. \n\nLast I checked there was something like upwards of 7 billion videos on youtube, with around 300K more added every day.\n\nMaintaining a database like that and still have it be usable and responsive for the volume of traffic YT gets, is not \"trivial\", imo.", "I just want you to know that I completely agree with you and think Reddit just wants to be upset. Any videos I've clicked on that have had a large share of dislikes were only from people brigading the video or because they didn't agree with the opinion of the poster. I have literally never used dislikes to gauge the quality of a video because it's never been actually useful for that.", "Tell my wife, hello", "I mean let’s be honest. It’s not whether it costs them more. Companies of this size are raking in huge profits. They aren’t spending their money. They are just not getting to keep as much of the money they are getting from having us watch ads. In all honesty, we are the ones watching. Why don’t we get paid for watching ads? Want em off, turn en off. But if you turn it on you get paid. Why should they get paid for our time. Keep us plugged in, and bleed us broke seems to be the model of nearly every company these days. When inflation exist for the cost of everything except workers, we can’t afford to spend our time searching through 100 videos for what we needed to watch. It will create a gap in the market, and patreon and Skillshare will be the only platform for people that want to learn how to fix something. Reddit would be the only free place left in the corners where mods don’t delete everything. That is, if it’s search feature was even close to useable without having to use google. People suck. But companies suck more.", "😂😂😂😂😂😂", "> it separates actually technically correct channels from wrong ones that use fancy thumbnails and editing to mislead the viewer into thinking the opinions and materials shown are from the most experienced YouTube creator.\n\nYou mean, you'll have to watch more full videos to figure out which ones are garbage? Sounds like Youtube knows exactly what they're doing...", "What?! Money is manipulating public image?!", "I like that the second picture is also lower quality. Spot on", "Makes me so sad too because I was on the dislike side, and I disliked it literally years ago, I can't even remember", "How many of those videos will ever be viewed, let alone disliked by people using this add-on?", "Yea. It's like people don't realize that the same people voting on the like/dislike ratios are also the people voting on the joe rogan experience and PewDiePie.", "Honestly i expect every video to have a commen that says dislike and just upvote that comment.", ">Upvotes/downvotes are the last thing I'd look to\n\nGood thing you can look at the like/dislike ratio in literally 1 second. \n \nIf a tutorial video has more dislikes than likes, that's a massive red flag. It's also the absolute fastest way to glean information from a video. Reading comments or actually watching takes more time.", "Yeah I've been really wondering about the outrage. Who gives a shit? This is the direction everything has been heading in for ages.", "I canceled my premium. Still use YT but I definitely stopped forking over $10 a month.", "As a scientist I use YouTube a lot to get introductions to topics I don't know about, but always look at the dislike ratio. I otherwise don't care about the likes, it's only needed when I need to make a critical decision on the validity of a video. Now they've robbed that. It's complete asstounding levels of stupidity.", "Very few. But I would assume if the extension is to be useful at all, it would still need to keep track of them.\n\nIf I go to a random video that they didn't index, it's not much use having an extension that shows dislikes if the database doesn't actually have any records of them existing for that video to begin with.", "it's still even: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike/gebbhagfogifgggkldgodflihgfeippi", "Why", "So true", "stinky", "Maybe YouTube wants to be less involved in the tutorial space and more involved in the misinformation, conservative propaganda, and conspiracy nuts spaces?", "It's the end of an era. We'll never get that little bit of voice we had back.", "The Twighlight Zone was way way way ahead of its time and utterly thought provoking.", "Vanced", "You don't just need to count dislikes per video though...you need to track which user has disliked each video. Otherwise someone could write a script to just send a ton of dislikes to videos they don't care for.\n\nYou'd also have to do something about bots since even if you track dislikes per user, what's to stop someone from writing a script to make 1000s of accounts and use them to dislike the same video?", "yes and u/beet111 doesn't want to accept the existence of personal preferences lol", "Filthy neutrals everywhere now.", "574k upvotes and 574k downvotes.\n\nDunno why everyone didn't just install the extension.", "You're not their target audience. They will try to edge out people like you.", "One workaround I could think of is a comment by the creator pinned to the top that says \"upvote this if you dislike this video\". But of course it would be purely voluntary.", "Ymmv with different types of content I think.", "What does \"ALL\" stand for?", "That user was giving their personal feedback on your website+app.\nNice try, YouTube employee.", "That's what I don't get about this whole \"outrage\". Why are people going directly to YouTube for guides? Google the problem and find the best thing whether it's text or video. Lots of the tone text based things will recommend a video to watch. An arbitrary like/dislike bar does nothing.", "https://odysee.com/\n\nLike youtube but decentralized.", "Reddit used to be the same way. They stopped showing downvotes and just showed net positive upvotes and added the “best” category as default so that you would just trust the algorithm. \n\nAnd here we are. Trusting that what you said wasn’t controversial based on 2k upvotes and a bunch of awards. \n\nThough Reddit is different than other user generated content.", "There’s an add on for Firefox brings the count right back", "FWIW,...I'd be inclined to dislike a video on replacing an intake manifold that spends the first minute rambling about how his garage is disorganized and then steps outside to look at other cars unrelated to the one he is fixing...I'm not here for a lifestyle blog, I'm here to fix my car. \n\nI'm also not here to watch a still image in silence while you look for the right tool off camera...What's happening from 9:30 to 10:50? Why would you not edit out the time you spend going to check on your other car?\n\nThat said, once he gets going, this otherwise seems like a perfectly fine video. Production quality is low, but he nicely highlights the video to show you where specific screws go and the camera angle is good enough for a guy on a small channel showing you how to fix a specific engine.\n\nCould use a better title though...nowhere in the title or description does he say he's replacing an EA888 manifold on a Mk6 VW GTI. How does he expect people to find his video? If I had a mk6, I doubt I would ever just search for \"2.0 tsi\" since there are a number of different versions used in different cars (e.g. the directions for a transverse mounted 2.0 TSI in an Audi Q3 are probably fairly different from what he shows here).", "“Protest” schemes that don't cost the participants any inconvenience, hardship or money remain the most popular, despite their ineffectiveness.\n\n[Snopes](http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/nogas.asp)", "Why would they care? They WANT people to have to watch more videos to get more ads run in front of eyeballs", "Spoiler alert: the dislikes were always faked and programmed to be close to each other by YouTube. \n\nGroups figured this out years ago by doing targeted Likes, and the ratio never significantly changed.", "YouTube history lol", "I think the word you're looking for is irrelevant. Redundant means repetitive.", "Unforgivable.", "Big deal", "It's very telling that YouTube is hellbent on removing the \"You\" part of YouTube.\n\n\nFirst they start demonitizing videos left and right on hot topic issues. Then they start overtly pushing corporate media channels over independent but popular channels. Then now they're disabling the dislike button.\n\n\nIt's almost like the people in charge of YouTube completely forgot what made the platform amazing. They're just outright blocking users from being able to judge what content they like or dislike and actively want to see more of.", "So there is a browser extension that brings it back called [return youtube dislike](https://returnyoutubedislike.com/) that you can use that brings the count back.", ">...forces us to watch every single video...\n\nAnd there you have it folks...", "This weirdly feels right, I've been doing the same", "No, he used it right. You're the one with the wrong meaning.\n\nEdit: we're both stupid, as both definitions are correct :)", "I mean did OP say they were boycotting?", "youtube got rid of it because of fucking covid, go to any covid news story before and every single one had 100x dislikes to likes.", ">it forces us to watch every single video on a subject until we have to come to our own conclusion on whether it was the best video for us or not.\n\nIf the new policy forces you to spend more time watching videos, then it's just another win for YouTube.", "Rip", "> it forces us to watch every single video\n\n$$$", "Oh no! Anyway...", "That's the point. You had to watch more videos therefore more ads. Great way for youtube to monetise otherwise worthless videos.", "I don’t understand", "Bots and once every few months myself. When I'm reminded about this video, I go and change my like accordingly.", "Well, no. But then again, I'm not calling out OP individually. OP is not \"constantly linking to YouTube\" considering the last post from them is 9 months ago.\n\nThe message is to the general public that keep complaining about YouTube removing the dislike button. The only way to really affect change is to boycott the service. Otherwise, what incentive do they have to make change? What good is a boycott if you keep linking and thus driving additional traffic to them?\n\nBut, like you mention, no one is boycotting YouTube. All this is a big whine party with no cheese.", "If you enjoy your time on YouTube / Reddit / Twitter, nothing.\n\nThis conversation is pretty specifically about what you should do if you are not content on those platforms.", "Yeah actually that is a better word for it.", "The extension is also on firefox", "Yup. It's incredibly annoying for programming tutorials from what I've noticed. Since there's hundreds of terrible ones, and hundreds of useful ones, and there's no way of knowing which is which until you've gone through most of it now.", "Oh you think YouTube is there to assist you in gathering information? You fool! YouTube is only there to serve you ads for as many hours a day as you'll let it! Mwahahahahaha!", "Your life must suck.", "Tell me you don't know the definition of redundant without saying you don't know the definition of redundant.", "All else being equal, that is true.\n\nBut all else is not equal. That is what is so frustrating about this argument in favor of removing dislikes.\n\nIf I see a movie trailer and it's been review bombed - I don't care. What am I going to do, not watch it? If I want to see the new Batman trailer and it's got a really low rating, it's not like I'm going to decide to watch a trailer for a different movie instead. They're not fungible. If anything, it's more likely I'll see the trailer because I might watch something I wouldn't normally watch after someone says \"It's got 2 million downvotes you have to see it\".\n\nIf I see a news video with a ton of downvotes, I know the votes are meaningless. You don't have to take them away to protect me from them. No person who has been on the internet for more than five minutes sees an even vaguely political YouTube video with a ton of dislikes and thinks \"ah yes, this is probably uninformative or low-quality content and definitely not just political disagreement\".\n\nAnd so long as the dislike button is still there, it isn't like people aren't going to press it. The people downvoting news stories they don't like aren't doing it as some coordinated attempt to decrease the visible ratio - they're just reflexively mashing the dislike button in a rage.\n\nAnd then, as people keep pointing out, the ratio is extremely informative for many kinds of tutorials. And that is also an area where YouTube's sorting algorithm is demonstrably pretty bad a lot of the time because frequently the top few videos were all the uninformative videos that were highly downvoted - so \"don't worry, dislikes still affect sorting\" is pretty cold comfort.\n\nThe logic of this, assuming no ulterior motives, is just such ridiculous tech-bro logic, treating these things as if they exist in a vacuum instead of actually looking at how people actually use and interpret them.", "or inane", "I thought about making one recently and saw there were already dozens so I didn't. \n\nIt's still really annoying and I hope the conversation doesn't go away, but YouTube is hoping people are just going to accept it and move on, and that might happen..", "This is used in American parlance as well, but I think you've just misunderstood what is meant when it's being said.\n\nBeing \"made redundant\" means that something has occurred within the company(restructuring or new automation) that has made your job unnecessary because someone or something is now doing it. Your position is redundant -- you're no longer useful because you're just performing an action that's already being done. \n\nIt doesn't mean \"obsolete\". It does ultimately mean that you're useless, but useless in a specific way. Useless because the task or work is already being done.", "The button is still there, users just cant see the count. Its functionally the same. Highly downvoted content will be buried by the algorithm, making pretty much everyone's \"issues\" with this change non issues.", "That's the best reason I've heard why removing the dislike button is stupid", "This is me and \"mortifying.\"\n\nI've recently seen several people using it incorrectly to mean \"scared\". Which is...sort of mortifying on the meta level?\n\nI would be mortified to not know what 'mortified' meant.", "You could.. ya know... watch it? Or are you incapable of judging something without a cacophony of others telling you what to think?", "Boohoo.", "Key thing to not from your comment: “forces you to watch every video” and that’s exactly what they want so ad revenue jumps up. Gives room for a competitor tho so we’ll see what happens?", "Okay 0-0 technically would be better but it's still even likes/dislikes so there is still no \"strong feelings one way or the other\". That's a good reference.\n\nAnd the whole point of this video is to be balanced in likes/dislikes, so it's a complete exception as an example, and a pretty obvious one.", "I reported a video that was a guy sottering random wires to a thumb drive and a camera ripped out of a phone, and its description was filled with tags unrelated to the video to gain views. From someone who like DIY, shit like this pisses me off; my account got a suspention (on a youtube channel that has zero subs and videos wtf?) for false flagging... \n\nThe state of youtube is decaying as creators will most defenently jump to a geared platform for video creativity. That said, i dont think that goes for bigger youtubers whos accounts are filled with dead inactive subscribers; unless they truely gear their content to showing off and gaining encouragement just if someone sees it. ie newgrounds, but thats devoted to the 'making and creating everything by hand' genre of art. Video alone and grounds to creativity", "I don't think I've ever, not once in my life, actually looked at the likes or dislikes on a video.", "I wouldn't trust most youtube consumers with my worst enemies corpse. Considering the amount of dislikes you see on any given info on covid or vaccines, those dislikes dont mean shit to me. Watch for yourself. Dont let a bunch of strangers who likely have no fucking clue what they're talking about dictate what you should think or watch.", "Bureaucrat1.0!", "Pointless is good. I was going to say IRRELEVANT, which is a good synonym.", "Every food is either a soup, salad, sandwich, or a single item", "A taco is also a sandwich", "That's a good point. The algorithm really just makes YouTube money and doesn't ever recommend me content that is worth while/that isn't polarizing. Maybe disliking everything is the right way to push back. They take a tool away from us, we take a tool away from them.", "chido video", "Uh, sounds more like you are arguing against votes altogether. That's not what the top level comment is saying though.", "Ahhhhh. Gotcha.", "Should we just ALL take back our likes and dislikes and make it truly neutral?", "It was never a big deal and will impact zero people.", "[There's also this spiritual successor.](https://youtu.be/Vx5prDjKAcw)\n\nThe ironic thing is I don't believe these are all results of the viewers community. Someone at YouTube got their hands on maintaining it because they too thought it was cool.", "except the recent video, it will still be accurate, there wont be a random surge of like or dislike on old video if there hasn't been by now", "\"forces us to watch every single video\" \nBingo.", "How does your interpretation include the existence of the share and save people then?", "Ok furry...", "I have never stated the way that I use YouTube. I am not talking about YouTube. The entirety of my posts in this thread have been about how Redditors instigate arguments and then get upvoted for it. It is a common occurrence. You have completely missed everything I have said.", "It has cached the like/dislike count on a lot of videos already. Once the API goes, it will estimate based on existing data, and for new videos, it will estimate based on what users with the app vote.", "Who the fuck cares about some old reddit meme. You people need friends.", "The cube rule scares me", "Yeah.... That isn't going to happen though is it?\n\nHosting video isn't cheap, not by a long shot.\n\nIt's not something Wikipedia could afford sadly.", "Hardly any data at all, 37 million videos, if each took up 1KB (1000 characters - it won't be anywhere near that) it will be 37GB of data.", "You're telling me YouTube devised a way to make you watch more videos which gives them more ad money and they don't want to change back? Shocker", "Yikes. First, I'm not insulted. I have never stated the way I use YouTube. You are misunderstanding. I have made zero judgment on how the person uses YouTube. I am simply pointing out the instigating post. My discussions in this thread have nothing to do with YouTube, and everything to do with how people use Reddit and upvote/downvote a certain style of post. I don't mind if you disagree, but you have misunderstood what I am saying.", "Unless they get bought out soon they are going to expand into other things. They can only grow audio for so long - their investors expect growth. They’ve expanded heavily in podcasts the past two or three years, and soon I’m sure they’ll add in video casts - or even live streams. It’s just the next step. I’m not sure about independent user uploads like YouTube, but video is coming to Spotify.", "API until it's removed, then will estimate based on the likes/dislikes of the extension users.", "If he's saying the video \"no longer matters\" he should've used the word irrelevant. The word redundant is used to describe unnecessary repetition. Like for example if I used the same word in a sentence twice. That would be redundant.", "I couldn't agree more with you, with everything you said. This was however by far the best video I could find.", "Wiener snout. One snoot you don’t want to boop.", "Look at all of my posts in this thread - I have never changed my argument, or even the topic I am discussing. You continue to misunderstand. \n\nIt's kind of funny, you're actually doing the exact thing I am accusing the original instigator of doing! You want to get into an argument, with me, and I am not participating (so in this case, I am not giving the instigator what he/she wants).\n\nTo continue the pattern that I have observed so many times, I expect you (the instigator) will receive upvotes and I will receive downvotes.", "Once again, the algorithm has nothing to do with what I am saying. You are still misunderstanding. However, it seems like you understand the general premise of what I am saying, and you simply disagree. That is acceptable.\n\n> Then you made a whole entire comment explaining how OP disrespected everyone who uses the algorithm and now arguing with me about it.\n\nThis never happened. Please re-read. I have never taken a side in the algorithm argument, and I have never participated in an argument with you. I have only stated (and re-stated) my opinion.", "The thing that gets me is that this and every video like it show exactly why I NEVER used the like/dislike ratio to gauge whether or not a video was \"good.\"\n\nThe entire concept was meaningless to begin with. Comments are way more likely to give you a sense of whether or not the content in the video is actually useful.", "According to the [Cube Rule](https://cuberule.com/), it has structural starch on 3-sides, and is therefore its own distinct food type.", "That words parent? Albert Einstein.", "what if everyone just dislikes the video?", "You downvote and make snide remarks but this is exactly how YouTube was in 2007. No in-video ads until later in that year, and no subscriptions. And it was glorious. I just want watching videos to be like it was back in the day, where interruptions were minimal. That’s exactly why I now block all ads.", "Yea, I have to agree. Irrelevant is a better word in this case.", "After additional analysis the findings have been corroborated.", "You still have the choice.", "It's shit-fucked. How's that work for ya?", "It’s actually our faults for not subscribing to Red ofc", "Circles are pointless. The Neutral Planet YouTube video is irrelevant.", "What I really don't understand, is that it's a blanket policy. How hard, really, would it have been to have it so that Dislikes are hidden by default, or viewable by default, and the channel owner can choose to display them or not?\n\nIf dislikes are not viewable, what really is the point of even having a like button with a counter? If you're just using it to tailor content, does it matter if 400K people like it? Or if 7 people did? Hide that number and just show it to the content creators. \n\nThis whole thing is ridiculous. This feels like a question you could go back 10 years with and ask \"Will you ever get rid of the dislike count?\" And be laughed out of the room.", ">YouTube boycott\n\nYou're angry about things that don't exist again I see.", "Not enough people are down voting this post. The karma is too high.", "Okay, but what if the extension only showed likes and dislikes from people using said extension. Sure the number will be lower, but the like to dislike ratio should be pretty accurate to real life measurements id think", "\"They disabled voted and comments, what are they hiding???\"", "I’m not sure people realize how easy it is to get their congressional representative to bring this up publicly. Especially such a non-partisan issue like this. Get a R and a D to make a statement and dislikes quickly come back.", "Fuck Google", "No one should care as much about a website's likes/dislikes policy as much as you all do. Get offline for an hour and recalibrate what's important.", "A smart man would create a new platform now, dedicated strictly to how-to videos that have some sort of rating system that makes it easy for users to know which videos to utilize or not.", "For every 1 person like you there are 100 more who haven't figured that out yet or know the resource they're looking for won't be available everywhere else.", "YouTube is a piece of fucking shit for removing the dislike count. Shame on them.", "This is literally the first time I've seen this posted here complaining about the downvote system being removed.", "It's not, but I have no strong feelings one way or the other", "It has been announced to developers that the count will be removed soon.", "At first, when they announced the dislike removal I thought it was a bad idea... and I still do.\n\nBut in all seriousness, who actually cares about this? Like really cares? I've realised that I don't.\n\nYes, I've spotted bad tutorial videos by the like/dislike ratio and that's been very handy, but this doesn't affect the other 99.99% of youtube videos that I watch. In reality this change will result in me wasting a couple of minutes sometime in the future, OH THE HUMANITY!", "We all need to uplike the most horrible videos on YouTube as an army until they bend to their knees.", "Like create a Twitter hashtag with the next video to target. #dislike", "Nothing's gonna stop me from commenting \"Like this comment if you dislike the video\" on every video", "Checkmate, science", "I saved my vote all these years for one faithful day. Waiting for when it was needed most. Every time this has been posted, I've told myself \"no not yet, your time will come.\"\n\nThat waiting has been in vain.", "I don't think showing down votes would get rid of the problem of idiots upvoting bad advice. If one is upvoting based on what \"sounds good to them\" downvotes shown doesn't matter. And logically some people might be equally downvoting just because something does sound good to them.", "I care about it.", "Any term is fine by me", "You're still trying to instigate. I have only ever explained and re-explained myself, because you have misunderstood. I have never argued with you.", "Pornhub network is huge. Most of the other websites changed their policies to match pornhub because they are owned by pornhub.", "They should get paid instead of you because they are providing the content or the platform for the content and then sharing the revenue with the content creator.\n\nTaking away ad revenue from content creators is how you end up with no good content.", "As much as I appreciate the cube rule, there's still too many categories. It can be made even more concise. \n\nThe classification system I've been using for years is that everything is either a soup, salad, sandwich, or single item.", "damn shame", "Cries in to my YouTube tutorial content", "Not that you are listening, but this decreases the UTILITY identifying helpful videos by obscuring what previousky set them apart from unhelpful videos. Time is money and of like to dislike ratio is 1:30 then that could've saved you time.", "This illustrates this perfectly.", "This is why the copying of tiktok is ruining the platform. For minute long videos that cannot do long form tutorial content, there doesn’t need to be a dislike button. It’s more of a social media app than a website/video streaming platform like YouTube is.", "K", "Yeah probably. But I shall give youtube the finger regardless.", "They're a mixed success outside English Wikipedia. Plenty of Wikipedia versions have strong political slants or lots of misinformation.", "Desktop Add-ons can still let you see it", "As well it should.", "Or do you?", "A friendly reminder: people like to think of the internet as some stable time capsule and that anything that becomes a part of it is forever. It is not. The internet twenty years ago was nothing like the internet of today and will probably be different in another 20 years. Vast swaths of content can easily disappear forever. \n\nRemember how everything used to be Flash content and now all of that only exists in archives? And by all of that I mean some of it and in archives that haven't been around for very long and may not survive for very long.", "Ah, (finally!) we are back to the topic at hand! I understand - you disagree with me. As I stated before, this is acceptable. I accept your disagreement with my opinion. I am OK with this, and I will not be participating in an argument about our different opinions. I am OK with disagreeing with you. I have never argued with you.", "We're more like Switzerland - ambitious, and misunderstood.", "I wonder if YouTube can be legally liable for divesting people of information used to evaluate the veracity of the information they host.\n\nNormally, the answer to this question is -no-, CDA230, etcetera. Buyer beware. But the fact that they have this information and are unwilling to share it sounds like a ticket to some kind of contributory negligence.", "It'd be nice to upvote and downvote this comment to 0 but then....it would work and we wouldn't see it. SMH", "They don't care about any of that anymore. The only thing that's important to them now is the appearance of acceptance for things people aren't accepting, and you cant just take away the dislike button for some videos and not others, that would be too obvious. It's more or less an appeasement strategy for the World Economic Fourm. Plus, now no one can articulatly argue against what is on the trending section now because there's no data to show how many people dislike a channel or video.\n\nI find it hysterical that the World Economic Fourm can put this paper out encouraging certain types of censorship and even giving guidance on what should be censored, and simultaneously judge nations on their democracy......On one hand, they want to censor some types of speech claiming that \"online hate can be hard to identify. Given its new sophisticated forms\" and on the other hand they are telling the world who is and is not very democratic, despite free speech being a fundamental proponent of democracy. I never knew hate could be sophisticated, I always thought hate was pretty straight forward and obvious, but, who am I to say otherwise? I'm not a billionaire elitist speaking at the World Economic Fourm, I'm one of the people they want to change and warp to their ideals. So really, I have no justification to talk or observe or form opinions, we should leave that up to the wealthy elite who fly private jets to speak about climate change, they know what's best for you and me.\n\nIt makes sense for the World Economic Fourm to be hypocritical like this though. After analyzing several papers published by the World Economic Fourm from the past 10 to 20 years, the overarching agenda these papers propose is in direct conflict with several democratic nations population including and most prominently the US. The World Economic Fourm would have to acculturate these nations cultures, philosophies, fundamental principles, and entire day to day life to successfully incorporate their own visions of the future to a global level. And considering how none of their agendas, including their overarching agenda, could be possible without every single nation on earth fully adopting every change they have proposed; its easy to understand their actions.\n\n\nhttps://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/04/big-tech-cannot-crack-down-on-online-hate-alone/\n\nhttps://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/10/how-to-build-more-sustainable-healthier-more-equitable-food-systems/\n\nhttps://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/8-predictions-for-the-world-in-2030/\n\nhttps://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/01/the-fourth-industrial-revolution-what-it-means-and-how-to-respond/\n\nThere are so many agenda articles I could put here but it would take all day to copy and paste all of the agenda articles I'm talking about.", "It's still balanced. The update hasn't hit my account yet. I'm living in the past and can still see dislikes. Lol.", "Having even dislikes and likes on this video never made any sense in the first place. Placing a like or a dislike would mean you do have a strong opinion on it one way or another. The only way for the video to remain true would be if no one either liked or disliked it.", "Speaking of How, I find wikihow to usually be pretty good.", "First thing I thought about", "Pretty funny Google had to get rid of the dislike count because Biden's whitehouse videos were getting down voted to Oblivion.", "On one had Everytime I want to _learn_ something from YouTube I cringe when I can't look at the like ratio anymore. On the other hand I can watch the world burn as YouTube allows more misinformation. Can't get wait for people to blow themselves up with bad tutorials as YouTube tries to milk watch time while masking it as a mental health thing.\n\nLike why _don't_ I just use Facebook now? That was the tipping point for to never use Facebook watch. I could actually tell if a video was bad at a glance.", "Just install the return dislike button add-on for chrome and firefox. It works beautifully. It's in the extension store for both browsers and it absolutely works a treat.", "Maybe pornhub _could_ rival YouTube as much as you think it's a joke. No YouTube kids, actual feedback is allowed and they have a dislike button, they have an app and a large userbase. Seems I'm gonna start rooting for PH now", ">seperates the actually technically correct channels\n\nLot of money in disinformation these days", "YouTube is going to be a bigger super spreader of misinformation. What happened to not being evil Google? Oh yeah...", "There are still the comment sections. Maybe not as easy to tell, but better than nothing", "If they could get people to chip in enough money I'm sure they would. But unfortunately, despite it being one of the busiest websites on the internet, almost no one ever donates.", "Upvoting for posting a competitor. Better than circlejerk memes about how there are none.", "I don't know why, but I keep reading the word REDUNDANT lately all over Reddit, used completely wrong. What you mean is OBSOLETE, BROKEN, whatever. Redundancy means having another system filling the same role, making one obsolete. This new system changes the way YouTube works, no redundancy here. Two trashcans next to each other are redundant, a fruit basket instead of a trashcan is not!", "This is the dumbest shit, I went to look for a tutorial but can’t tell good from bad not cuz I can’t see the dislikes", "You gotta giiive…", "That's just sad.", "if u go to a random video that wasn't indexed then they'd just create an entry for the video right there. are u expecting them to index videos with little to no traffic? even youtube doesnt do that.", "Like, I mean if your idea worked, SEO spam would not be effective.", "I've seen a few ads and product announcements that absolutely got trashed.\n\nSuch as when Creative Assembly announced that they would be abandoning Total War Three Kingdom, including patching bugs (their latest DLCs introduced a lot of glitches into the game without being fixed). The Total War subreddit was full on pitchfork and torches from that.", "putlocker", "Comments can be deleted by the channel owner.", "Except when YouTube wants to promote certain ideas or products.", "Everything's a conspiracy. Isnt it?", "counter point, rich people can't just turn off my oxygen supply at a moments notice and there are other forces in play on this world.\n\nSecondly no matter how much noise I make up there about how unfair it is there is probably another trailer full of happy go lucky cattle to replace me and no method I control of contacting earth.\n\nThirdly even if they don't actively try to kill me, self sufficiency is at least theoretically possible on earth. On mars you'd be completely at the whim of your new space gods.", "> forces us to watch every single video", "They could place ads. Having ads related to woodworking when your watching woodworking, would probably be good for both users and content creators.", "Just get a chrome extension smh", "It's still up for a little while longer with the chrome extension. But once the official YouTube API is updated to remove the ability to request the dislike count, not even that can save us.", "Get the YouTube dislike browser and extension everyone.", "Rp", "What if we all comment \"dislike\" on videos we dislike, and whenever we need to dislike, we upvote the dislike comment, or make one if we dont see one.", "Regardless, it doesn't make it okay.", "It doesn't matter YouTube has been randomly deleting channels that are apparently spreading misinformation but are doing nothing of the sort. \n\nLast year it happened to me for apparently spreading misinformation on covid. I'm pro-vaccine and pro-mask so I'm not sure what it could be. \n\nBut as there is no real way to appeal as it's all automated then it's tough luck. \n\nOh and there's no way to do a GDPR deletion request so they get to keep all your data. This is despite the fact you can still see some of it so it's obvious they still have it. \n\nBut it means they can go:\n\n> We deleted X thousand channels for spreading misinformation \n\nAnd therefore avoid scrutiny. \n\nFor a bigger channel check out Novara Media that almost the exact same thing happened too. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/zMcEy14O-lg", "But like, dislikes are negative mannn and negativity isn't progressive bruh", "Surely we should be downvoting this to have a netural response", "I don’t think that’s how we use “redundant”.", "I downvoted to try to keep the neutrality", "I don't know but my gut says maybe.", "Vote them out of the airlock for being sus. Big brain moves.", "Youtube doesn't care about your brake pads. The removal of dislikes is to protect their real customers: corporations. \n\nFor example Disney's recent video (essentially an advertisement) showing off their Star Wars themed hotel experience ($6000 for family of 4 for 2 nights) was derided everywhere, but dislikes on Youtube were, of course, invisible. It's these videos that Youtube is trying to protect with their new policy.\n\nIn this particular case the video was so terrible and the backlash so great elsewhere on the internet (Twitter, for example) that even hiding dislikes couldn't save it and Disney scrubbed it from existence.", "Unfortunately video hosting is incredibly expensive and not that profitable unless you own one of the biggest advertising companies on earth. \n\nAll attempts usually fail as they just attract people too toxic for YouTube. \n\nI saw one that used what was essentially torrent like technology behind it but every video was some tin hat lunatic. \n\nRecently there's been Nebula but honestly there's not much on there you can't get on YouTube but with comments and much more content for free.", "What car was it?", "They should edit this clip to just be \"I have no strong feelings one way...\"", "I would check that video every few months, moving my thumbs to help keep the number as neutral as possible. This one will sting for a while, dammit youtube.", "This has been posted to this sub at least 100 times since the news broke and the change happened.", "With modern cloud infrastructure it is. You could simply throw it in DynamoDB or the like and create a lambda function + API Gateway to simply serve out traffic. AWS would handle the scaling problem by itself automatically in the background.\n\nThe major limit is data import, you can't write more than 40,000 records per second to DynamoDB. So you'd probably want to queue it through SQS or simply store the data as you go through the extension and upload a changeset.\n\nIf you're really worried about it simply shard the data by say the first few characters or something.", "Cromulent actually got added to the dictionary, and I’m not sure how to feel about it since it kind of ruins the joke.", "You still wind up in a situation where no creators upload there because there isn't an audience and no audience goes there because there aren't any videos. One angry subreddit isn't enough to break that death spiral.", "That’s not what redundant means, but I do agree that it’s very sad", "I've noticed they bait me in by having a couple of really short videos on the front pagel, 45 seconds of Sopranos, a 15 second Simpsons bit, they know I cant resist. Once Ive watched one I'm more likely to keep watching", "What makes a man turn neutral?", "But that's what I was already doing.", "U fortunately that’s the internet monetization standard. Offer awesome service for free until you’re the market standard, then fuck over everyone and everything that made it so.", "why would I look at any of their algorithmic stuff?", "I've solved it, if you have ever liked the video, go un-like it.", "I don’t have any strong feelings on it.", "Yeah I know that, but it will only affect 1 in 1,000 videos I watch, and for that reason I don't actually care.", "The new policy just sucks and this is just one more reason.", "Thank you. \n\nThe only time I've ever seen a video with a lot of dislikes, it was a) a corporate ad that sucked and obviously sucked (I don't need a million dislikes to know that), b) a really bad music video by an artist that sucks (same thing--it's self evident), c) some clickbaity thing that was supposed to be a clip of a show or movie but instead used a still frame to trick you into thinking you were going to get to see the thing you wanted to see, d) something political or vaccine related that was obviously a group of people brigading. At that point, just dump the dislikes, that's not helping anyone.", "Toyota disc brakes. IIRC I used the expensive GM silicone lube on the slide pins and rubber boots, anti-seize lube on the hub surface, and purple Permatex high temp lube on the metal clips and contact points. There were only two videos that properly instructed these exact types of lubricants to use. \n\nI'm not a mechanic by any means and I'd assume most of the people watching those videos aren't either. There are way too many brake changing tutorials on YouTube where they're using the same lube for everything.", "ok can we all agree this is the last time we upvote a post about how this video was affected by youtube's dislike policy? getting a bit old now...", "At least they should add a view to like ratio bar if we are removing the dislike option.", "OMG, that’s me!\n\nI’ve always been confused when people say they get lost in YouTube. \n\nNow I see here it’s because I go to my subscriptions section and watch the videos that are interesting which are a select few. \n\nWhen they end, sometimes the app serves up something else, but it takes me usually 5 seconds or less to decide it’s stupid and I close that video and if happens a second time, I usually get annoyed and close the app and move on with my day.", "I agree with you, but I also agree with what you are saying.", "As long as a few of them do, and just the popular videos. I don't care about the obscure content.", "You’re not sure that he’s using redundant correctly.", "I imagine part of the problem is anti-vaxxers brigading news and public health announcements. They used to have thousands of dislikes and the comments were full of people frothing at the mouth.", "The only solution is for everyone to remove all of their likes.", "You can get the dislike button back with some chrome extensions you know", "I don't think this subreddit is the only place where people are upset with YouTube, not by a long shot. The difficult part is getting the people who feel that way to coordinate on one alternative- if they could then it might have a chanceI don't think this subreddit is the only place where people are upset with YouTube, not by a long shot. The difficult part is getting the people who feel that way to coordinate on one alternative- if they could then it might have a chance.", "people can also share their dislike counts and it will show that instead from what I've heard", "When does this actually happen though? Honestly. Have you ever actually felt like a video on youtube that seemed well made and well presented with decent production values was actually really inaccurate or dangerous? I feel like you can easily tell what's legit just by being somewhat aware of the overall quality and what the comments are saying. If comments are turned off, that's another red flag. All of those things are more helpful in judging a video than a dislike count", "That's the literal meaning.", "Youtube said disabling dislike count was in testing for quite a while, and they never saw any noticeable impact on views based on like/dislike ratio.", "The way to make an alternative viable is to somehow get creators onboard. It doesn't matter how many viewers want to use your platform if nothing is there. getting creators to flip is usually pretty expensive.", "There’s a few extensions that show the dislike button again", "Jaysus, how many times are we gonna repost this video", "I never bothered with hub lube, rather have to kick the wheel off then risk it leaking and compromising the pads by greasing up the rotor. The rest makes sense.\n\nEDIT: unless you meant repacking the grease in the wheel bearing, which would be outside the scope of a normal brake job?", "I personally don't think so. With this new method of hiding dislikes, a typical viewer would click on one of the first search results, happily watch the video without any worry of misinformation, and go home with whatever info is presented. There would be no need for anyone to watch another video because the viewer would be completely oblivious to any criticism, doubt, or any additional information that might be missing. \n\nWhereas beforehand, a viewer would typically follow the same steps except this time would also notice an abnormal number of dislikes, to which the viewer would go find a better video or more experienced creator to watch. \n\nI think a lot of people got it right that this was a decision entirely based on the bad press other advertisers and companies that market themselves on YouTube have received in the past. They can effectively hide all controversy from us on the site and create a selective echo chamber for themselves now.", "As all things should be", "Agreeing to a comment twice? That's obsolete.", "Now it just loops you back to the same videos you've seen before, and 8 second long meme videos", "As others mentioned, tutorials are where it comes in handy.", "Oh...I'm disappointed. I thought maybe this video originally had an equal number of likes of disliked, something significant like 500k each, as a long running internet joke...\nDisappointing.", ">it forces us to watch every single video on a subject\n\nProbably one of the main reasons they did it, to increase users time spent on the site to increase ad-revenue.", "Yo guys I'm about to build my first pc, I think the verge has a video on it.", "A lot of nuanced discussion in this thread... and yet this zap quote is the gem of the bunch", "I'm downvoting this to get it to 50%.\n\nI have no strong feelings about this one way or the other.", "But what about the feelings if content creators? A high negative ratio will hurt their feelings… /s", "Damn that edit 💀 chill dawg", "I don't want to admit this but my mom the other day before i got home from work was searching up a \"How too\" for her phone. \n\nI gave her my old Iphone XRS Xenon plus 12 IDK what the fucking thing is called POINT IS, she was looking up a tutorial. The tutorial was a scam.\n\nMy mom isn't the brightest with technology, she's 72, and if you show her the \"It's illegal to lie on the internet -Abraham Lincoln\" Meme, she would ask \"Wait he said that?!\"\n\nBut, one concept she did grasp on was How To videos and the dislike button.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nMore dislikes, more probability of it being a scam.\n\nI take care of my mom, i pay her bills, i pay for food, i love that woman that sacrificed everything to keep me happy. But she was so close to using my debit card to purchase something through some fuckass website to help her little how to problem with the phone.\n\nTaking away the dislike button gives an INSANE amount of power to the people who have no remorse for scamming older people who have no fundamental idea of how the internet is supposed to work.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nFuck Youtube.", "This is clearly one of the failings of capitalism. Since these decisions have such a big impact on so many people, they should be done democratically. Yet companies are ruled like dictatorships and that's by design in a capitalistic economy.", "yOuTuBe hiStoRY", "Can we just move on? No one cares about this. People should use other platforms that show dislikes.", "The death spiral goes both ways- the creators go where the viewers are and the viewers go where the creators are, don't they?", "> yOuTuBe hiStoRY\n\nOTBSRY?", "I learned if you download the video and go offline, it still shows the Dislike counter. Granted, you have to have YouTube Premium but it works.", "Expecting youtube to do what suits youtube is hardly a conspiracy.", "Ikr? These people over here acting like anything pro corporation is inherently anti consumer.", "ahh, the good ol\" rabbit-holes. for me it's not youtube, but wikipedia. I could just sit down for a dinner or something, and all of a sudden chrome's giving me the smiley face instead of a tab count. (when reading an article, I'll read something interesting and I'll open the various links that are associated in the paragraph/section with the intention to read them after I finish the section, but 5 seconds later and I'll hit another interesting link and pop it open into a new tab in the background.)", "use this thing \n\nhttps://www.returnyoutubedislike.com/", "TLDR; removing dislikes means you'll be watching YouTube a lot more.", "You're the stupid one, buddy.", ">Welcome to Odysee, we have dislikes\n\nWelp I'm in", "I don’t know if I am going to like this new policy or not. All I know is my gut says maybe.", "Youtube is always pro-advertiser, which is usually anti-consumer. This is probably just their latest plan to make advertisers happy.", "True. But in this case, its really hard for me to see what the big ruckus is over this particular change. I feel like it mostly just boils down to \"corp bad\" or \" I cant make judgments for myself and I need an arbitrary number to tell me what videos to watch\"", "[Language is use.](https://existentialcomics.com/comic/268) If I pointed to a hot dog and said \"hand me that sandwich\", most people would probably be confused.", "I do that but I also like to discover interesting content creators or topics not a lot of people cover or make videos about so I can no longer use the dislike ratio and comments to see if they missed something, did it wrong, etc. \n \nWe can only rely on youtuber's we trusted but who's to say those creators don't slack off on a video or just stop doing as much due diligence/research/etc to make sure they cover things correctly? It isn't out of the realm of possibility if yt wants to protect their shitty youtube channels, mostly corporate, they might start 'sabotaging' their less viewed creators who aren't as popular that could drive some of them to join in on the trashpile of pumping out low quality poor content with errors.\n \nRemoving that public metric opens the door for some to do less with a financial motive. I doubt most of the people I watch would do that but now I will have to wonder. Any new video or channel I'm not that familiar with are suspect because of this as well.", "Exactly. This is what happened with T Series. They're pretty blatantly using sub bots and have sketchy ties in the creation of their videos, but they're making youtube hella money so they dont do shit about it. And now they're pushing 200 mil subs. That's why I consider PewDiePie the channel with the most subs. Cuz he got it through blood sweat and tears.", "Don't do this YouTube doesn't know that you want the feature back, instead there is a button for feedback which links a screenshot of the page you're on. It's built into YouTube.\n\nhttps://support.google.com/youtube/answer/4347644?hl=en&co=GENIE.Platform%3DDesktop&oco=0", "Reminds me of the panhandler I see about 3 times a week who says every time, “hey man, you know I never ask you for anything.. but can I get 10 dollars?”\n\nHowever, I actually give an automatic monthly donation to Wikipedia because I use it constantly.", "Honestly, we need a new YouTube. \nIt is a shadow of its former self.", "That's what I was getting at, sorry if that wasn't clear.", "Just not too hard. Unless you are into that.", "Youtube removed all the dislikes, so now all we have to do is remove all the likes, problem solved", "I didn't downvote you, and I'm being seriously snide.\n\nI know how it was. The first hit was free. But I can seriously make a video hosting platform. I can make it self-sustaining, user-focused and minimally intrusive. Instead of bleeding money upfront to build up a user base to turn around and sell for a wad of IPO/merger cash or big ad money.\n\nI'd have no creators and no users, but it's not technically difficult.", "The dislikes don't mean anything anymore so it's either like the video or be neutral about it or report it. Basically it implies that all bad content is reportable rather than simply a \"I dislike this\" ya feel?", "Honestly asking: What are your thoughts on the dislikes being removed?\n\nOn the one hand my instinct is to resist hiding knowledge by default, but on the other I can't deny that we live in a society that is much more toxic than it used to be. Is it possible that by presenting the negative option as less valid we will somehow encourage better behavior?\n\nIt's not a rhetorical question, and I'd like to hear out the arguments for either option. My love of this video's community achievement aside, this feels like a big change and I'd like to know where I stand on it.", "That's not actually a bad idea. I don't think there are specific rules that say what you put on PornHub HAS to be porn. Like, can you imagine them censoring a video for NOT showing nudity? Why wouldn't content creators upload their videos there too just to cover all of their bases?", "Yes. This kind of situation cuts to the heart of what makes/made youtube so appealing and useful. Honestly its heartbreaking seeing how such a simple feature is so vital for the quality of the platform but they're willing to get rid of it because it makes certain advertisers unhappy. This constant squeeze for more money is ruining a good thing.", "Lets start a petition to remove the like, share and subscribe buttons.", "He's talking about the manipulation of the news and other information to sway public opinion.", "Since the dislike policy I'm trying to make the switch to odysee. Not easy though because there isn't enough content yet... But the site feels fresh and UI is great.", "A newtube if you will", "True, and people trust the likes/ dislikes, but don't trust YouTube...\n\nwho controls the numbers displayed, cause it is their site. I just don't get this shit at all lol", "There is a browser extension that lets you see them again on desktop at least.", "I'm not your buddy, friend.", "This is been the majority of people's arguments, but they don't care they want to make it the corporations happy", "actually if it's the same extention that was mentioned somewhere else here then the creators said they are caching the ratios up until the API is removed and will then add new dislikes to these numbers directly through the add on rather than just using the API for numbers.", "Public Service Announcement: You can download a chrome extension that brings the dislike button back. YouTube will probably fix this eventually, but for now it works great", "Actually, the word redundant can also mean no longer needed, exceeding what is needed, unnecessary, or superfluous, among other definitions.", "It's... It's not..", "Seems to me like all the algorithm does these days is see me watch a certain type of video randomly, and the spam me with a neverending barage of that exact type of video unless I tell it to not show me that kind of content anymore.\n\nOh you clicked a youtube link about a mouse trap? Here is literally 50 mousetrap videos for you.\n\nGranted I didn't hit dislike on the mouse trap video, but it wasn't a bad video, I just didn't need to see 50 more videos of 50 different types of mouse traps over the next week.", "3rd party plugins still show dislike counts.", "RemovedRemoved", "..... welcome to this add on. Where nothing is real and the numbers are made up", "Sure, but the difference is if nothing is there viewers loose interest quickly and don't return. Whereas if you can convince people to upload before there are many viewers those videos will stay there even if some of the creators loose interest. and if you have enough money you can keep the creators there long enough to get the system sustaining itself.", "There's this browser extension that brings back the dislikes, link here https://returnyoutubedislike.com", "First of all, congratulations, that's a hell of a project.\n\nI would personally be very interested in hearing the whole story on that!\n\nWhen you say that you were receiving millions of hits over the span of a month and Google came knocking, were you using GCP hosting? Were they just delisting you from Google Search? Were they claiming patent infringement? You have me very curious. If you haven't heard of it, I'd highly recommend sharing your story on Hacker News ([news.ycombinator.com](https://news.ycombinator.com)), it gets a ton of eyes from people in the tech industry.", "Easily the best defense of the dislike button.", "Someone make a sacrifice reddit account, repost the link, and just get it to 0 karma with an equal number of upvotes and downvotes", "Dude, if I had hookers and blow, I wouldn't need a video hosting service.\n\nWait, what?", "I'm not your friend, brother.", "Only after some guy literally implemented it himself, released his own version, and shared it with the Vanced team, who took their sweet time. I'm almost 100% sure that, unless they only worked on the backend, the SponsorBlock feature hasn't even been touched since. At least it works, apart from being unable to unskip.\n\nEdit: now that I think about it, I think they may have added the vote menu on or after release", "I didn't know that. That is really interesting. Wish I could help but I can't code.", "New age. Can't have an opinion. Things can't be bad anymore or negative because those who control communication tell us what's right and wrong. This is how it begins.", "Imagine we would get this video back down to 0 likes so it matches the dislikes. But it's impossible.", "I'm sure that's true on average. The videos where it's useful are surely a minority.\n\nBut the point I'm trying to make is that all of these things can be true:\n\n1. The ratio is not useful on average - because\n\n2. For most types of videos, people don't vote according to whether the video is informative (for most videos, it's not even clear what that would mean because they're not intended to be informative), but\n\n3. There are a number of specific types of videos where the ratio is useful (like repair tutorials), and\n\n4. People are able to tell which videos fall into which types (and YouTube isn't as good at telling, and their ranking algorithm doesn't sort these types of videos as well as humans looking at ratios do).\n\nTheir metrics are correct that it has no noticeable impact on views because when you average it across so many videos of so many different types, the useful signal from some of those types of videos gets lost in the sea of noise from all the rest.\n\nBut the actual user experience is not of averaged videos, it's of actual videos. People aren't just watching a random slideshow of videos - they can (and do) learn when the ratio is useful and condition their evaluations accordingly.\n\nIt is frustrating that they've convinced themselves it's never useful. You can see that frustration in all of the complaints about this because many of us have observed, for ourselves, that there are types of videos for which it is in fact useful.\n\nThe question should be: is the benefit of having it visible to help with those kinds of videos worth the cost of increasing brigading?\n\nAnd if the answer to that were \"no\", then at least that's an answer to the relevant question. But I also think the answer to that is almost certainly \"yes\" because, in addition to learning when to pay attention to the ratio, people are also learning when not to. When a video's negative ratio becomes a meme, it's not like people look at it and say \"wow, I was going to watch this, but it has a negative ratio so I guess I won't!\" - they just ignore the ratio. Or, if they do, they're balanced out by the people who go to see it because it has such a negative ratio - after all, like you said, it has no noticeable impact on views.", "I just watched that again yesterday. So good.", "Downvote", "I have an annual donate set up, but damned if I use any other computer to access wikipedia.\n\n\"Bro I already do, leave me alone\"", "I didn't think It would make much of a difference. I took that downvote button for granted.", "I'm not sure that he understands what redundant means.", "Honestly woth the amount I use wiki I probably should…", "What type of car?", "Top 10 brake pads (gone sexual)", "That's kind of exactly how AI learning works...", "It was always dumb. Neutrality would be a lack of votes in either direction. This is controversy.", "YouTube is starting to feel a lot like blockbuster in the 90s to me. There’s not a lot of competition, but they’re irritating a lot of customers. Just like blockbuster, I suspect that a competitor will arrive seemingly out of nowhere and YouTube will be left behind.", "Yeah except that a week or month later you would think it would notice that I haven't clicked on a single one of those videos its recommended, and stop recommending them. I have to go out of my way to click the 3 dots and specifically tell it not to show it to me anymore.", "Alternatively, someone will be unable to tell the video is unhelpful or garbage without first watching or skipping through the content before having to carry on to find one that is more succinct or helpful.", "How would the extension possibly retrieve dislike numbers if there isn't any API on YouTube to provide that number?", "I mean, that's not what this thread is about. But I'll concede that a joke about the like/dislike ratio being neutral is hardly worth getting upset over losing.\n\nMost of the criticisms I've seen are about not having a way to gauge if a video is a waste of time before watching it. They took the power away from the viewers and now we just have to trust that their algorithm hides the video from us, which sounds fine in theory but really doesn't work for obscure topics. And we also have to trust the youtube wants to hide the video in question, and obviously there is a conflict of interest when they have to hide a video from an advertiser that pays them well(which is a reasonable concern and absolutely not \"conspiracy\" talk).", "I'm sure the politics section won't be completely reactionary.\n\nOh wait, no it is.", "Once it's become a right-wing cesspool, you don't want to join.\n\nThe only way to get a site like that going is to ban right wing content before it becomes a cesspool in the first place.\n\nNotice how all the \"free speech\" sites end up becoming right-wing cesspools?", "That makes no sense. You just want a platform that only caters to your views. It’s a platform. You don’t have to watch things you don’t like. YouTube has shit loads of right wing content on it. \n\nIf everybody switched over to rumble (or another alternative) you’d see something similar to YouTube content-wise without as much algorithmic fuckery and corporate dick sucking.", "Liberal isn't left wing.", "I'm still shitted off that google results list YouTube videos that are stupid and worthless. All i wanted to do is connect a vcr to a new tv that only has hdmi in. Google's top video was some kid in his basement saying to plug it into the component in, and for some reason that took 11 minutes for him to say that.", "Why haven’t we downvoted this to exactly zero?", "After the news of Youtube bringing down MILLIONS of videos based on false copyright claims, THIS should be the incentive for people to move away from the centralized tech power structure that is Alphabet, Youtube, Google (and all the others, looking at you facebook) in favor of decentralized, non advertised platforms.\n\nMight I suggest something like LBRY/Odysee? (or if anyone knows better decentralized platforms, sure). I know currently, the quality of the content doesn't hold a candle to Youtube, but we can get there. Just. Move. Away. From. Big. Tech. Industry.", "Perfect 😀", "You have to feed it information, how else is it going to know lol?", "Pls do just this once... Just... This... Once...", "Not really, the people who install the addon are going to be self-selecting. And it won't affect anyone on mobile where a large number of political related dislikes come from. If you search Googles, \"Video performance by social cause\" you'll see that \"patriotism\" has the, by far, greatest viewership. Whereas things like \"Equality\" have greatest engagement. Google makes money from engagement. Which is kinda why corporatism is very identity-politic friendly. Feels good sells good.", "The balance is broken, I now have strong feelings against youtube", "No people want to say they have an effect on the world but then be oblivious about how they propagate the exact thing they fight.", "You'd need the content to serve before you could get anywhere near being able to pick and choose ads. \n\nThere's a reason there's no YouTube competitor. \n\nMoney. Plain and simple.", "It’s more of a rant than a serious statement. I don’t see ads on YouTube cuz I’m jail broken. To me time is more valuable than money. So with things like Hulu I gladly pay more to have them not waste my time. With the new change from youtube they have taken away the ability for someone to not waste my time. I 100% understand money going to the content creator. Most of the channels I subscribe to I follow on patreon or Skillshare as well. So my biggest issue is that the change of the dislike will make it have the same problems that exist with currency in general. The people who have the most likes will keep the most likes. It will make it easier for them to get more likes. It will make it hard if not impossible for a new channel to get them. I won’t find any new creators to support because the ones with the most likes are going to be hoarding the nectar of the algorithm. My rant was more of a fuck the company and where it’s headed for trying to make money off my time while also dictating how I spend that time than it was actually seriousness about me wanting the money. They get more money the more time your on the app, so now they are making it take longer to find what you want. Who has time for that?", "I have an aunt who told me that \"living prophets\" on youtube are real, and that she found them by destiny, i.e. the recommended videos list. I didn't try to explain to her that youtube's algorithms had managed to predict she'd be into that shit, 'cause I just didn't have the patience to argue with her. It did make me truly appreciate how technology is finding and leading marks to con artists, though.", "Nah I'm too lazy to fight and I value my Tom Scott videos too much :L", "> You just want a platform that only caters to your views. It’s a platform. You don’t have to watch things you don’t like. YouTube has shit loads of right wing content on it.\n\nNo, I want a platform that doesn't cater to fucked up far-right views. You're right that YouTube has shit loads of right-wing content and that has radicalized a lot of people to the right. Any YouTube alternative needs to fix that problem.\n\n> You don’t have to watch things you don’t like.\n\nYou don't have to watch it, but it's going to fill the front page and all your recommendations.", "I just had to watch a 5 second ad to see this 4 second clip.", "I think this is the more likely scenario and what they are hoping for.", "Amazing that our own government along with big tech/corporations rather choose profits over having an educated public. Controlling a population is all they care about and keeping the money faucet pouring into their pockets.", "Wait till you hear about the comment section", ">No, I want a platform that doesn't cater to fucked up far-right views.\n\nIt's not \"catering\" to it, it allows all legal content. Whether you agree with or not is irrelevant. And who decides what is \"fucked up views\"? Go have a discussion with those people and try to change their minds. And you don't seem to have a problem with \"fucked up\" left wing views. I wonder why. \n\n\n>You're right that YouTube has shit loads of right-wing content and that has radicalized a lot of people to the right. Any YouTube alternative needs to fix that problem.\n\nAnd here we are on Reddit that has radicalized a lot of people to the left. Does Reddit need to fix that problem? \n\n\n>You don't have to watch it, but it's going to fill the front page and all your recommendations.\n\nOnly if you're watching that type of content.\n\nThe trending recommendations on the front page show whatever is getting the most engagement. If it's only right leaning people and right leaning content of course that's all it will show. Get huge content creators that don't produce political content on there and you can be sure it'd be showing that kind of stuff more often.\n\nThe \"Editor Picks\" tend to also be what is getting the most engagement, as that drives revenue for Rumble. Again, it's almost entirely right leaning content, so they don't have many choices to pick from.", "Right wing views are rooted in hatred, racism, and bigotry.\n\nLeft wing views are rooted in making sure everyone is taken care of and has a good life.\n\n> The \"Editor Picks\" tend to also be what is getting the most engagement, as that drives revenue for Rumble. Again, it's almost entirely right leaning content, so they don't have many choices to pick from.\n\nSounds like the editors are picking right wing content then. They could just not pick any content instead of picking right wing content.", "Are you saying Wikipedia doesn’t have enough content to make ads viable?", "I'm saying they don't have anywhere near the money to start hosting video to use ads to repay that start up cost.", "Don't think I ever messed with the wheel bearings. The rotors were actually rusted on completely (the car was only 4 years old too) and I had to use a large hammer and earplugs to break the seal and remove them. Again, all because of the amazing creator that suggested this method (other methods like using rust penetrating fluid or brake cleaner did not work).", "My dislikes are back somehow!", "ok that makes more sense, still would rather a hammer then risk any kind of lube making it to the rotor surface but I know what you meant now.", "True, but I really doubt people are going to go review bomb 5+ year old videos. Especially not 5+ year old tutorial and DIY videos, which are the videos that are most affected by this change.", "Youtube has to give special treatment to small independent content creators, like NBC, IGN and Disney. lol", "Build its own database while the API is still there.", "Sounds like YouTube", "Give it a little while and you'll start getting called a purist or curmudgeon for pointing this out", "From what I read they aren't even close to hurting for money", "Just get an extension that shows dislikes again", "There's a Chrome extension called Return Youtube Dislike that will show dislike count!", "I think we should bring the video to reddit", "you can return the dislike count with this chrome extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/return-youtube-dislike-co/dmdaokcabddlbfmhnmicfioimkkioole", "Displaying dislikes should be a switch you can turn on. Sure turn it off by default so companies can play dumb but forcing everyone to decide dislikes aren’t real is fucking stupid.", "I disliked it for a cause!", "Actually I think the problem is perfectly laid out right here:\n\n>I was using the like to dislike ratio to judge the videos based on quality, so that I didn't have to waste half an hour watching the whole thing just to be disappointed. I ended up using only two full videos to get ALL of the information I needed\n\nYou saving time = less engagement time for them, and engagement is what they're selling. They want to waste your time as much as possible.", "It does present the greatest surface area for ad exposure, so probably.", "Good point.", "in 1 week the data will no longer be available, anything that isn't already indexed will be unavailable in 1 week so, yes, if the extension were to be useful, you'd expect them to try to crawl everything not just store the ones the small number of people with this app have happened to watch in the last couple of weeks of dislikes being available through the API", "I feel for sure actiblizz would be pushing real Hard for this change these recent months.", "Found the one reason for me to care about the end of dislikes.", "No. It's window dressing to make people feel better about their oppression.", "Most of my youtubing I do is on my TV through my PS4. I haven't seen likes or dislikes since 2015 or so.", "Idiotic comment. If an instructional video has 95% downvote do you watch it anyway because it might solve your problem? My time is valuable.", "YouTube is free. What an entitled take. If you value your time so much then pay for skillshare. Also, a vID with 95% downvotes is more than likely to have been buried by the algorithm. So unless you were looking for it specifically, you're likely not going to see it.", "I much rather have the opinions of people who know how to and do install add-ons then a fair representation of everyone. This is the reason why am on Reddit. Generally your average redditors opinion is superior to you average general person and I think it is because of how terrible the UI of Reddit is. Less technical people look at Reddit and think it is garbage instantly. The ones that dig a bit deeper into things realise that it is actually good.", "The real reason the new dislike policy is in effect is due to the fact that the US government/etc and other entities use YouTube to promote their lies and false narratives.\n\nWhen a person sees a video with a ton of dislikes, it adds doubt into their mind about the authenticity or truthfulness of the video.\n\nThe removal of dislikes is nothing more than the modern gaslighting of the entire world and helps to ensure that radical leftist-controlled Google/YouTube is the new Ministry of Truth in America. \n\nSimple as.", "Terrible arguments.", "Better than your complete lack of one. Do you even have a counterpoint?\n\n7 hours later, still no response. Figured as much.", "The dislikes have never meant anything, as evidenced by the OP. They're a number. A number which can only be used as a very imperfect metric for how \"good\" a video is.\n\nAll of the arguments about \"now I won't know which tutorials to watch\" or \"we'll never be able to gauge whether or not a video like 'Friday' is a banger of a track,\" are bunk. Comments still exist, word of mouth is still a thing. I haven't paid any attention to the like/dislike ratio on videos for at least a decade, and I still find videos I enjoy and that are useful to me.", "It's about making informed choices. Are you going to sit through a 30 minute video that has 70% dislikes? Probably not. But now you can't make that choice.", "Oh I don't disagree at all, I hope that extension can do what they want to do. They are teamed up with ArchiveTeam which are people who save data on the internet (data hoarders). I'm just saying it wouldn't necessarily reflect the viewing audience as a whole and one should consider that.", "Have you never judged whether a YouTube tutorial was going to work or whether a piece of content was worth watching by the dislike percentage?", "No, I cant say that I have. I tend to go to the comments for that sort of feedback. You never know what exactly that dislike was left for. Could've been the audio quality, could've been they just didn't like the person's face/voice. I'll just scroll thru the comments while watching the video.", "The dislike/like ratio still exists, and still affects whether or not the algorithm brings a video up first when you search for a term.\n\nNothing has changed in the back end, except now you can't game the numbers as easily.", "Alright well you're just ignoring major points now have fun with that", "What point? You can make any choice you could before. Any tutorial video that's good will have comments that indicate that. The comments are a better metric to go by than the like/dislike ratio because the ratio can easily be skewed with false data. \n\nYou haven't lost anything by losing a number that was essentially meaningless already.", "the same could be said about reddits up and down votes. You used to be able to see a posts number of downvotes", "You're not wrong about the old videos, but I would argue that it's actually the new videos that are most affected. The whole reason Youtube did this is because the large corporations don't like people having an overwhelmingly negative opinion about their absolute hot garbage content (see Ubisoft's Quartz announcement this week).", "style (dopamine hit and $) over substance (educational)", "Chris fix?", "If they had a brick n mortar office near hear I would.", "There's no reason to provide a counterpoint to your moronic take.", "FFS, they could just let those huge media companies hide the dislike button if they want.\n\nThey didn't do that, of course, because then there would be no way even the dumbest among us wouldn't see through the propaganda machines.", "That's absolutely not why the did it and I'm pretty sure you're aware of that fact.\n\nLarge lying companies were getting their videos ratioed. Period.", "Every White House video has been massively ratioed and all have the comments disabled.", "I've been using Rumble, I'll check this out." ]	1,101	videos	This piece of Youtube history is now redundant because of the new dislike policy
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rawdr1/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rawdr1/deleted_by_user/	[ "Anti-vaxxers are delusional narcissists who spread misinformation that leads to direct suffering and unnecessary deaths.\n\nThe problem isn't when these idiots die from preventable diseases after refusing protection... but the problem is when they spread those diseases to others.\n\nAnti-vax is selfish, harmful and deeply ignorant.", "Just want to know if it was a bad idea.", "Pages involved felt I went too far. We Love GMOs and Vaccines. The Credible Hulk. Food Hunk. Chow Babe. Sci Babe. (I hate her.) I'm not supposed to be mentioning these, but fuck it.", "It says that this video was made fot youtube kids...", "I don't know why they are so butthurt about it. I was really proud of it. But as time has gone on, I've come to learn that the participating groups were not especially happy with it, which sucks as I consider this one of my proudest moments.\n\nEDIT: And they ALL agreed with exactly with what my plan was. Now they're pissy about it. I'm about to leave the group honestly. I probably should have posted in r/vaxxhappened.", "This video is nothing more than a propaganda vehicle trying to cancel an actor. Douche move. Do you really think anyone actually knew what Rob Schneider's stance on vaccination really was? I sure didn't until I saw this video. The vast majority of the population never keeps their vaccinations up to date once they leave middle school. Who cares if someone doesn't support vaccines? Just ignore them and move on with your life and get your 4th jab.", "Lol shut up.\n Saying go get your 4th jab is such a funny insult from you idiots. Okay I will ? Go die ?", "I didn't say it as an insult, there bucko. If you took it as one you might want to see a therapist. I also never said I was anti-vax either. So, here you are, assuming and we all know what that leads to.", "you took someone’s job away from them.", "At the very least you were patronizing the idea of booster shots. Not that I care what a person who obviously doesn't know would say", "English must not be your first language. That second sentence needs some work. \n\nI'll end the conversation here before facts get me banned from a subreddit I really don't consume.", "Lmaoo. Pathetic. You lose" ]	12	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rawp7x/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rawp7x/deleted_by_user/	[ "Thank God you didn't do those swings above your head, those are shoulder injuries waiting to happen", "No but he is hyper extending his low back from what i see in the still frame....\n\nAnd burpees are trash cardio in my book...", "Form looks bad in the still...\n\nHead is forward, kb is at chest height due to hyper extention in low back...\n\nArms are extended thus shoulder look to be reaching out of the sockets vs being being back ( holding come can between blades)\n\nHis weight looks to be into his toes...\n\nKb swings are a good full body plyo exercise when done properly, thus stacking the joints, and maintaining crosstension throughout body...\n\nOtherwise one is just asking for strains or injuries..\n\nThen to top it off with burpees...\n\nI guess if all one wants is a cardio workout that exaserbates muscle imbalances... sure, not likely to build much strength or power keeping ones self winded, high likelihood for injury too.\n\nPower sets should have 30-45sec recovery.\n1) to recover\n2) to sense what was good and what wasnt, form wise", "Lol why deleted?" ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo6x4eulY9g&mmH	/r/videos/comments/ray6gl/triple_spiral_15000_dominoes/	[ "House Hunters budget: $1.9M", "Very satisfying!", "I’m a freelance potato trader and my wife is a part-time teacher. We need 4000 sq ft and it has to be close to the city center.", "“What do you do for a living?”\n\n“Professional domino stacker.”", "I wonder how much 15,000 costs to buy.", "About $690 - [one set of 1000 dominoes is $45.99](https://www.amazon.com/Lewo-Wooden-Dominoes-Building-Storage/dp/B013QK9TD4) so that times 15 is $689.85", "Ya’ll making fun of her but she probably pulls in some real $$ on YouTube", "the best type of autism", "Much less than I thought. I would guess about $0.10 each.", "I'm most shocked that that only took 25 hours to set up. You could have told me 250 hours and I still would've been impressed how quickly it was put together.", "She has like 3.5 million subs on YouTube and her own line of dominoes, she’s probably doing well", "Anyone else absolutely hate the editing and camera work in this?", "For visual only video, why do these Youtubers insist on adding crapass background music?", "I'm conflicted with how cool that is, while being so pointless. Takes a special breed of commitment to pull these off. I hope part of that same commitment capacity is also utilized toward something useful.", "\"her own line of dominoes\"\n\neh...whatever to have a job and money...", "Except for the background music.", "Very fun but isn’t this technically a quad-spiral or do we count the first blue and orange round as one?", "Yeah that's 10 domino's a second. Maybe for the large swaths she had some kind of tray to set up a row for a spiral at a time. Didn't have the audio on maybe she had a partner.", "I bet she doesn't like cats.", "I think you mean 10 dominos a minute.", "If we are ever visited by aliens, this activity might be the hardest one to explain.", "I understand the sentiment. But I think that this is actually a really neat human behavior and perhaps could be thought of more akin to a zen exercise and an expression of a fundamental philosophy.", "Why does every hobby and activity have to meet the standards of “useful”? Every sport, movie, and video game is just as useless. (And just as useful)", "The amount of money she gets from her 3.5 million subscribers is quite motivating I imagine.", "now the real fun starts... time to sort those dominoes!", "Whoops", "Gonna spend 25 hours making this then give me shaking camera and subpar angles. 🧊", "Everything is pointless and useless in the grand scheme of things, my friend. Everything you do in your life will not matter in 1000 years. Investing time into building a business, or investing time into building a cool domino chain. Nobody will remember either in a few centuries.\n\nDo what makes you happy.", "I'm friends with her and I'm always amazed at how tenaciously passionate she is about stacking dominoes.", "It only had 2 turnarounds so out (1) -> turnaround -> back (2) -> turnaround -> out (3).", "To be fair, once something like this starts and you have one of your cameras either shaking or at a sub-par angle, what are you going to do about it? You got one take.", "Yeah, Im saying that if I spent 25 hours making something I would confirm all the angles before knocking them over to start the chain", "si que debió tardar mucho hacer eso pero quedo chido", "that fast...", "or dogs, or children, or music with too much bass, trains, wind, fans, earthquakes.", "It's offensively inoffensive.", "So satisfying. Not as satisfying as digging in to a McDonald's McRib sandwich, but close.", "Yes. This could have been improved. Just committing to no handheld camera work would have made this much better.", "> crapass\n\nYou misspelled \"royalty free\".\n\nHowever, no background music/sound would be rather jarring and much worse.", "I rather hear the clacking of falling dominoes than random BG music.", "Maybe, and it might not be too bad for a 2 minute video, but it's unlikely to come out like you'd expect. The editing and sound adds a professional level that makes videos more enjoyable and engaging, even if you don't like how it's done, it's better than not doing it at all.\n\nAs an analogy, everybody loves to complain about annoying commentators when watching sports thinking they just distract and are generally terrible. So, in 1980, NBC covered a [football game with no broadcast crew](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Announcerless_game) as an experiment. It was so much worse, which is why they've never done it again.", "Why always the cheesy music?", "Why is there music? I wanted to hear nothing but dominoes toppling", "Too choppy. As I started following the falling dominoes, the camera view would jump to another view.", "Oohhhh. McRib.", "Flawless execution, not always a feature of domino-topple videos on YouTube (and wow do they get angry if you point out where a topple failed).", "Tell her I really like her dominoes video! then slowly back away to avoid her talking about stacking dominoes to you.", "I think you mean 1 mile every 10 hours.", "There are like 2 people getting downvotes who are making fun of her. All the rest is praise.", "That last spiral reminds me of all those videos of some dingus clipping the warehouse shelving with a forklift.", "Next time I talk to her, I'll mention it. And I don't mind, she's really nice. I'd happy sit through a domino stacking lecture.", "Well, it's a circular setup and they proably don't have infinite cameras. Not saying it could be better, but it didn't ruin it for me. Personally I film with up to 3-4 cameras on a live stunt like this.", "As much as I love the work and dedication to it the camera works makes me feel like im watching the [catwoman basketball scene.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNlmRId2FVQ)", "So is this what 2020s music is now?", "Pretty cool 😎", "Well this is for those two people then", "I’m a stay at home astronaut, and my wife is a hamster therapist. Our budget is $950,000.", "Well it was uploaded in 2016 so if that's the case it would be a prescient example.", "Awesome!", ">Everything you do in your life will not matter in 1000 years.\n\nBut what you do right now matters to yourself, and to those around you. No person is an island. Doing what makes you happy is not the right thing to do, if, for example, it makes you happy to hurt others.\n\nThinking solely in a \"grand scheme\" kind of way is a path to indifference, or even nihilism. \n\nDespite all this, I do agree with the underlying sentiment you are conveying.", "Probably more than I make. But I feel my point has been misunderstood; I was trying to point out that she is clearly talented, with a steady hand and tenacious nature. If that is channelled only toward lining up blocks only to knock them down, it feels, to me, like a waste of potential. However, I doubt this is all she does in her life.", "They don't, it's just the juxtaposition of all this intense effort for a few seconds of payout that piqued my imagination. I guess I phrased my thoughts about this poorly; my purpose was not to scoff at this activity, as much as to express awe about the effort required.", "I clearly worded my thoughts poorly, as I too find this very cool, and it just led me to wondering what else she could accomplish with such ability.", "> Doing what makes you happy is not the right thing to do, if, for example, it makes you happy to hurt others.\n\nNo, of course not. \"Do what makes you happy\" always comes with that asterisk, which is a result of living in a society. Even if you don't have a shred of empathy for your fellows, society demands a sacrifice of certain freedoms in exchange for comforts. The freedom to punch a random stranger, in exchange for protection from other random strangers punching you. Stuff like that.\n\nPoint is, this domino thing may be \"pointless\" in that it doesn't \"accomplish\" anything, except to make this person and many others happy. Which, to me, is just as big an accomplishment as any other \"productive\" thing they could have done instead of this.", "Add that to the list of things I am incapable of doing.\n\nShaky Hands, Oh shaky hands of mine\\~", "We love open spaces. We need 3 acres in downtown Paris.", "Now that's an idea for a \"relaxing sounds\" video", "I think happy may be a stretch here, but amused for a few seconds and pondering things for a few minutes, sure.", "I meant the person who built it, not us. I don't think it's a stretch to assume that building these domino structures probably makes them happy." ]	72	videos	Triple Spiral - 15,000 Dominoes
https://youtu.be/JjOyl6zS-eU	/r/videos/comments/raz7y6/completely_normal_version_of_take_on_me/	[ "I watched the whole thing.....it's glorious! I never knew how much I needed this in my life....", "Everything in me tried to close the tab but I just couldn't.", "Oh, I love these things!\n\nOtamatones! I used to have a playlist of Otamatone covers that I would randomly play at work, because that's what you do at 3am.", "I didn't expect my day to somehow involve me listening to a musical sperm but alas here we are", "This is arguably the best cover of this song, and Ill die on that hill.", "First thought: Don't you fuck up one of my favorite songs!\n\nAfter watching: This was awesome especially with the penciled visuals true to the original.", " No idea why but this made me very happy" ]	8	videos	Completely normal version of Take On Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNJ_BmQmuAk	/r/videos/comments/rb0b3a/fantastic_space_saving_ideas_smart_furniture/	[ "Hello /u/a667online,\n\nThank you for your submission. Unfortunately your account does not have enough karma (both types, there are two types of karma) to submit things to /r/videos at this time.\n\n/r/videos requires users to have a minimum of 10 link karma and 10 comment karma. We suggest that you comment in some popular threads and make submissions to other subreddits to build up your karma and then come back.\n\nWe are sorry for any inconvenience caused, and look forward to your submissions in the future.\n\n****\n\n\nI am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/videos) if you have any questions or concerns.*", "Fantastic Space Saving Ideas Smart Furniture,", ">two \n> \n> types of karma\n\nwhere we can get the two types of karma account setting ?" ]	3	videos	Fantastic Space Saving Ideas Smart Furniture,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrWimXDRxwA	/r/videos/comments/rb0lme/guy_calls_conservative_radio_show_only_using_punk/	[ "Damn those dirty rotten imbeciles with suicidal tendencies acting like storm troopers of death.", "It had NO EFFECT on them.", "Ha. The red hatter uses \"I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.\" Totally flat out using outrage media without irony.", "Ehh. Some of those aren't punk. Fallout Boy is for 9 years old girls.", "9 years old girls can like punk ¯\\ _ (ツ) _ /¯", "I just said they weren't punk.", "Alright, the stage is set, it's time for an actual debate. u/AbunchofJ says Fallout Boy isn't punk because it's for \"9 year old girls\", but doesn't further provide any examples on how that's true. u/sCREAMINGcAMMELcASE comes in with a simple retort, but effective truth as well, taking down the argument that even IF FOB was for little girls (still need source for that) that doesn't prove it's not punk. \n\n\nBall's in your court u/AbunchofJ. Will you be able to pull the discourse towards your side, or was it all just an attempt as derailing something...anything in a video you didn't fully enjoy?", "New found glory to you guys! So good", "This comment smells like the 40 y/os who hit on teenagers at metal shows while telling them they don't like \"actual metal.\"", "Why are you giving attention to the guy who probably asks the bands if they have spare drink tickets?", "Would you prefer the video title be; \"Guy Calls Conservative Radio Show using Punk, PopPunk, Indie Alt, Ska Glam, and Skate Rock Band Puns?\"", "If you only ever watched that outrage scene from Network out of context, you don't know where it goes...", "Why not just say band names, instead of genre?", "It actually doesn’t.", "If you listened to Scandinavian melodic church hymnal, anti-establishmentarian, agarian folk metal you would know that it actually does.", "37 year old guy who has listened to fallout boy since my late teens." ]	16	videos	Guy Calls Conservative Radio Show only using Punk Bands Puns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIKOcCKFDME	/r/videos/comments/rb0mqe/conan_okay_wait_a_minute_lets_just_talk_penn/	[ "They are great.\n\nTrue showman, however is this recent?\n\nI thought penn got super skinny.", "1999", "But allegedly Conan only saw it now for the first time and posted it to reddit.", "\"Glad I wasn't standing there.\"\n\nHis subtlety is incredible.", "Very thankful that they're able to upload these old clips of Conan.", "Conan actually saw it 2 months ago and posted it on his channel.", "thats the joke", "Conan saying [\"Watch my own show? No! I've got cable, I don't have to!\"](https://youtu.be/MIKOcCKFDME?t=249) aged like a fine wine.", "I know they have to talk about this / rehearse it.... kinda ruins it.", "They did this in their live show for years. Recently on his podcast Penn was telling the story that there was one time they had a woman volunteer from the audience. And during the brief moment before they put the blindfold on her and swapped to the tethered knife, she actually threw it before they could stop her.\n\nMiraculously it hit the board and stuck without hitting Penn. There was a shocked moment among Penn, Teller, and presumably their crew. And then realizing there's nothing to say but to go on, Penn says \"Great, now let's try one with a blindfold!\"\n\nImagine being in the audience for that and going \"I know how they faked most of those, but I have no idea how the made that one throw work!\"", "He said they made him skip rehearsal in the intro... Not sure how true that is but it's nice to imagine that's what happened.", "Yea, he’s selling the joke.", "In another video where Penn was showing off the nail gun trick, he openly said he doesn't like tricks that put anyone in danger. So I knew right away he wasn't gonna throw the knife haha", "Clip?", "Oh it might have been the Oct 18 episode, but could easily be 1-2 before or after. I couldn't say for sure.", "Conan wasn't even remotely scared, he just started laughing...", "Nervous laughter is pretty common.", "They do this live with people from the audience in their show. So they clearly don't have to rehearse it. And there's no reason to therefore assume they did rehearse with Conan.", "He doesn't like tricks that put audience members in danger. The nail gun is as real as it gets. It's just a rehearsed pattern.", "> Imagine being in the audience for that and going \"I know how they faked most of those, but I have no idea how the made that one throw work!\"\n\nKnife thrower plant! lol", "> The nail gun is as real as it gets.\n\nAs I recall, it's not firing nails down, it's a magnet that's pulling them up out of the wood.\n\nThey don't do tricks that have an element of danger, they do tricks that create the illusion that there's an element of danger.\n\nEdit: [Timestamped at 5:28](https://youtu.be/c8RBtB9rXWs?t=328), if you go frame by frame you can see that the nail comes up out of the wood.", "Not a chance. That's the whole point of their nail gun act. That literally there is no danger involved, it's not a real nail gun.", "I agree. Although on Conan's first attempt to throw, it looked like he was checking to see if the blade was dull right after it was replaced. He only does that right after he was instructed to hold the knife better when it was replaced", "Stupid bits like this remind me why I'm glad Leno won.", "this is correct. Other guy was also right when he said they dont do tricks that put anyone in real danger including themselves.", "so....we're just pretending he didn't know exactly what the gag was?", "no its not", "I don't know man. I've watched Conan a lot and he looked kinda nervous here. He trusted the duo to know what they were doing but otherwise didn't know what's actually going on.", "Yeah he definitely doesn't see big ass Teller right in front of him from the bottom of the blindfold. He would easily be able to see his feet or a shadow from his peripheral vision. Does a great job of selling the joke though.", "Need to see", "Why would he know exactly how it worked?", "It is probably easier for everyone if he isn't in on it.", "I feel like he'd almost definitely see Teller standing inches from in front of him with the blindfold on when Teller was stabbing the first knife into the board. It was just a basic blindfold with the 1 strap and with almost all of those i've been able to see directly down because the nose creates an arch. \n\nTeller went around the back then Conan wouldn't see.\n\nAs for the knife throw bit Conan wouldn't have known how it worked the first time I guess but the string definitely seemed to pull it back a bit before he let go. Needed more slack.", "“Who’s Leno?”\n\n—Everyone under the age of 30, and a good chunk of people between 30 and 40" ]	35	videos	Conan: "Okay. Wait a minute. Let's just talk". Penn & Teller hilariously scared the bejesus out of Conan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0K3QtU-iNM	/r/videos/comments/rb0nn3/groucho_marx_the_seven_cent_nickel/	[ "One of the original funniest man.", "The Marx Brothers don't get the attention they deserve anymore. Obviously Groucho was a king of comedy, but Harpo always seemed to fall by the wayside. Anything he did was funnier than the Three Stooges.", "Classic", "“I think that’s a wonderful idea”\n\n“Then there can’t be much to it. Forget about it.”\n\nMay have to borrow that for a work meeting.", "Now you just need to come up with an idea that someone might agree with.", "What sort of attention does someone who has been dead 50 years deserve?", "That's like saying George Carlin isn't worth remembering in 50 years.", "!RemindMe 50 years\n\nIs George Carlin remembered?", "hey that's a good idea!" ]	7	videos	Groucho Marx - The Seven Cent Nickel
https://youtu.be/Joh2BXPsrXs	/r/videos/comments/rb0x2p/pearl_harbor_happened_exactly_80_years_ago_this/	[ "Gram gram would never forget or forgive japanese for this.\n\nI had to hear about it all the time growing up.\nIt interesting how people change.\nGram gram never forgave, i suppose my pear harbor was 9-11, but i dont wish any ill will on our middle eastern bros and sisters.", "This channel is fantastic, they upload a video every week telling you everything that happened that week in the war. For example they would tell you what happens today December 7, but in 1942.", "Just a reminder: \n\n>American Civilian Deaths in WW2: 12,100\n\n>Japanese Civilian Deaths in WW2: 550,000-800,000\n\nI'm not saying the Japanese are free of fault. China has the most civilian deaths recorded in the entire war, in the millions, and that is most certainly the fault of the Japanese. The Rape of Nanking, the indiscriminate killings of Chinese and Korean civilians, the enslavement of Korea... All of that is unjustifiable and evil. \n\nBut I find Pearl Harbor is used to justify genocide so much by people all over the spectrum, and I just don't get it. Our desire to kill as many Japanese people as we possibly could led to the Cold War, the closest we've ever been to total extinction. The development of the Atomic Bomb, to Hydrogen, and finally Nuclear, a weapon that is ONLY use is to wipe out everything in an area and make it unsuitable for use for hundreds of years after. Not a tactical weapon, but a genocidal weapon.\n\nAnd I'm not joking about that being the U.S.'s desire. It wasn't to overthrow the Imperial Empire, it was to KILL as many Japanese people as we possibly could:\n\n>“The Japanese race is an enemy race,” -Lt. Gen. John DeWitt\n\nA reminder that we put an entire race of people in concentration camps because of one military attack that only killed 68 civilians. I think people have this weird fantastical ideal that World War 2 was the last 'just' war America ever participated in, and yet it was where we developed some of our most evil qualities.", "Agree. The Great War and World War Two are amazing productions. Wonder what war they plan on covering in 2025. The American Revolutionary War (including French, Spanish, and Dutch simultaneous wars against Britain) would be really cool.", "It's really a super valuable resource for people to easily learn more about the world wars. If I was a history teacher or something then those 2 series would be on the curriculum.", "So is this a reminder that you have no idea what you're talking about?", "oh just shut up. The japanese were the nazis of the pacific and clearly believed that their racial superiority entitled them to be in charge of all of asia.", "> This is a really retarded take on it all. First, the losses in Pearl Harbor wasn't just people but also the majority of the US Naval fleet which meant they were weaker to further attacks. The Japanese weren't going for maximum casualties in the first surprise attack. It was to destroy the capabilities of the US to defend from more attacks.\n\nThat's not my point though? We all know WHY the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. I'm saying the Japanese deaths and internment as answer to that are not justifiable.\n\n>Second, the US did not want to kill the Japanese to begin with. They strongly preferred taking prisoners so they could use them as bargaining tools. However, since the Japanese would commit suicide before getting captured, the US had to accept the fact that it's a fight to the death for them.\n\nMm, so that's why we firebombed Tokyo? Not military targets, the cities with people in them. There was fanaticism on the Japanese side, yes, but that does not mean it's ok to level numerous cities.\n\n>Basically, everything you are talking about is flat out wrong. It's pretty clear you are trying to twist the \"facts\" to suit your anti-America agenda.\n\nI have lived in America 33 years and have seen the same tick for tack kind of mentality with the response to 9/11. We answered that attack with untold butchery in both Afghanistan and Iraq. These are facts. Numbers you can easily find.", "Then counter what I am saying.", "[So that means it's ok to do this to the civilian population?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQZtfDQl2TQ)", "What the Japanese people teach to themselves is not my problem, I'm not Japanese. I'm sure there are historians in Japan who are pushing for more recognition about their country's atrocities, and they should. I'm speaking about America's atrocities as an American.", "> Until they make it your problem again, or anyone else's for that matter.\n\nlol, do you think Imperial Japan is gonna rise up again to try and attack America? You know that Japan doesn't even have a standing army, right?\n\n>You're ignorant if you don't see the danger of entire peoples being indoctrinated to uncritically glorify their own crimes.\n\nThis is super ironic because you're arguing with me about recognizing America's crimes.\n\n>The axis powers deserved far worse than they got, and Japan specifically got to basically continue as-is in terms of the culture that led to its racism and aggression.\n\nSo you are cool with the mass rape that went on in Berlin when the Soviets took it?\n\n>So it's downright ridiculous to complain about having fought them too hard - if anything, the opposite is the case.\n\nGot it, we need MORE genocide and MORE internment camps. Listen to yourself.", "umm okay, you implying that the US defending itself and its allies was some form of genocide. A war America didn't start, against a totalitarian, militaristic, brutal government that was hell bent on conquering all of Asia. Just a reminder Pearl harbor wasn't the only attack that happened that day, they also invaded dozens of places all around Asia at the same time, including the Philippines, South East asia, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the way towards Australia and far enough west to threaten India. They were a threat not just to the US but all of Asia. \nYou call this a Genocide, that doesn't make sense when hundreds of thousands GI's died liberating countries all over Asia. Was it just because we were racist against the Japanese, but at the same time supporting other Asian countries with weapons, supplies and troops? You reference the Japanese civilian casualities and briefly mentioned they ravaged china, it wasn't just china but every country they occupied. Millions and millions of innocent people were murdered by the Japanese military. The US was trying to stop that. The assumption that the US joined ww2 for racial reasons is ignorant at best, but it is flat out not true.", "That's a completely insane take. The best way to respond to war is to push the limits of what's acceptable, even towards total annihilation?\n\nPeople like you would have ended the world during the Cuban Missile Crisis if you had any power.", ">umm okay, you implying that the US defending itself and its allies was some form of genocide.\n\nWhat does bombing cities have to do with defending itself? You can argue about targeting enemy production centers, like factories and what not because they produce enemy equipment, but bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki didn't have tactical value. Firebombing houses and killing women and children did not have tactical value.\n\n>A war America didn't start, against a totalitarian, militaristic, brutal government that was hell bent on conquering all of Asia. Just a reminder Pearl harbor wasn't the only attack that happened that day, they also invaded dozens of places all around Asia at the same time, including the Philippines, South East asia, Malaysia, Indonesia, and the way towards Australia and far enough west to threaten India. They were a threat not just to the US but all of Asia.\n\nI'm not arguing against the war, I'm arguing against the wanton murder of innocent civilians, and the internment of Japanese American citizens. The fact that you can differentiate between that is proof that so much of America's role in war is the butchery of innocents.\n\n>Was it just because we were racist against the Japanese, but at the same time supporting other Asian countries with weapons, supplies and troops?\n\nThere is racism involved with the war effort, yes. As evident by the internment of Japanese Americans. \n\n>You reference the Japanese civilian casualities and briefly mentioned they ravaged china, it wasn't just china but every country they occupied.\n\nI mentioned the enslavement of Korea as well.\n\n>Millions and millions of innocent people were murdered by the Japanese military. The US was trying to stop that.\n\nAnswering genocide with more genocide is not justifiable. Period.\n\n>The assumption that the US joined ww2 for racial reasons is ignorant at best, but it is flat out not true.\n\nNever said that.", "> No you retard, I said the threat of total annihilation to avoid war in the first place is a good strategy. The Cuban Missile Crisis is proof of that.\n\nThat's completely insane. Like, literally psychopathic. MAD isn't a legitimate war plan, otherwise we would give EVERYONE nukes to prevent war.\n\n>I know you want the world to be a carebear place, but that's not how humanity works.\n\nSo don't even try, right?", "well calling it Genocide naturally implies a racial motivation, that's what the word means. But it was total war, production facilities and the people who worked in them were fair game. All sides did this during the war. Also Nagasaki had a large naval base, so there was a military target there. And sure racism was prevalent during the war and war propaganda, but same thing was used against the Germans as well. The internment was wrong, the US government admitted it and paid all the survivors from the internment camps some compensation. Not a ton but something. Still singling out the US for doing same thing every side was doing isn't fair, just the Americans eventually got very good at it. And do to Japan's location, air power was the only way to strike the enemy.", "Genocide Definition: \n\n>the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group\n\nNations can be made up of any number of ethnicities. Look at the U.S. for example.\n\n>But it was total war, production facilities and the people who worked in them were fair game. All sides did this during the war.\n\nYes, and it was all bad. A war crime. Including what we did.\n\n>Also Nagasaki had a large naval base, so there was a military target there.\n\nThen bomb the base, not nuke the city. This is how warfare generally works. You are not supposed to kill innocent civilians. It's literally a rule of war. That's why War Crimes are called 'War Crimes.'\n\n>And sure racism was prevalent during the war and war propaganda, but same thing was used against the Germans as well.\n\nOk? Why does that make it ok?\n\n>Still singling out the US for doing same thing every side was doing isn't fair, just the Americans eventually got very good at it.\n\nIgnoring America's crimes during the war is paramount to saying they didn't happen. It's completely fair.", ">But I find Pearl Harbor is used to justify genocide\n\nThe US retaliating against Japan for starting a war isn't genocide. The US didn't want to wipe Japan out just destroy their ability and will to keep fighting. The most effective tool the US had was strategic bombing. During the second world war, strategic bombing wasn't accurate and required a lot of aircraft flying low during daylight hours dropping thousands of bombs over a wide area to hit a target. These raids resulted in high casualties among aircrew because of how dangerous it was. You mentioned the firebombed Tokyo, there were two reasons for doing that. One was to put more pressure on Japan to surrender and it allowed bombing air raids to happen at night and for the bombers to fly at high altitudes to avoid flak. The firebombing risked fewer American lives and did more damage than conventional bombing. War isn't nice.\n\nBy using your definition of \"genocide\" any war would be considered genocide.\n\nFunny how you leave out the 426,000 American casualties in the Pacific War. Because those counted too. And those casualties keep racking up the longer the war went on.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n> The development of the Atomic Bomb, to Hydrogen, and finally Nuclear, a weapon that is ONLY use is to wipe out everything in an area and make it unsuitable for use for hundreds of years after.\n\nThe Atomic bomb and the various other bombs were going to be developed no matter what. Don't even know why you're making this argument. \n\nThe US in the 1940s we pretty fucking racist, and they used those fears to put Japanese Americans in concentration camps because of those racist fears. There is no excuse. But equaling this as some desired to \"wipe out\" the \"Japanese race\" is fucking stupid argument.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>And I'm not joking about that being the U.S.'s desire. It wasn't to overthrow the Imperial Empire, it was to KILL as many Japanese people as we possibly could\n\nWeird, because Literally the moment the Imperial Empire was overthrown the war ended. If the goal was to kill as many Japanese people as possible then why did it end the moment Japan surrendered unconditionally.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>yet it was where we developed some of our most evil qualities.\n\nIf you think that's where the US developed its \"most evil qualities\" then you are completely ignorant of US history. But this post already shows you don't know what you're talking about or what genocide is.\n\nWhat should have the US done differently? You seem to be this master of strategy and warfare, what would have you done to win the war? Would you have wanted the US to just sit there with their thumb up their ass after Pearl Harbor?", "Son, that’s a cartoon.", ">We all know WHY the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. I'm saying the Japanese deaths and internment as answer to that are not justifiable.\n\nJapanese internment was never justifiable. But how do you beat Japan without strategic bombing? You seem to have all the answers how should the US win the war in the pacific?\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Mm, so that's why we firebombed Tokyo? Not military targets, the cities with people in them. There was fanaticism on the Japanese side, yes, but that does not mean it's ok to level numerous cities\n\nThat's what Total Fucking War is. When nations mobilize all of the resources of society to fight the war then everything becomes a target. Strategic bombing was the most effective weapon in total war.\n\nMost Japanese cities were made from wood which meant firebombing was the most effective way to damage Japan's ability and will to fight. Also, Firebombing meant less risk for US aircrews. Conventional bombing meant flying low, during the daytime with a large number of bombers trying to drop bombs on the target area. Firebombing meant they could fly higher out of flak range, use fewer planes and they could drop the bombs in a general area because the fires would do the rest.\n\nWar is hell, it isn't sunshine and rainbows.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>I have lived in America 33 years and have seen the same tick for tack kind of mentality with the response to 9/11. We answered that attack with untold butchery in both Afghanistan and Iraq\n\nAfghanistan and Iraq didn't attack the US but Japan did. You can't compare WWII to the \"War on Terror.\" One was nation-states fighting to the death while the other was a super power fighting terrorist groups and Iraq for some bullshit reason.", "Just wait until this guy finds out what the Nazis, who were supported by Japan, did to a much larger civilian population. Two wrongs don’t make a right, but one wrong to stop a much smaller wrong may be necessary under certain circumstances.", "When Nation-states go to war civilian casualties are unavoidable. That's what Total War is. Japan should have never picked a fight, to begin with.", "You might want to read up on Operation Downfall which would have been the traditional way to make Japan surrender, would have been a lot more costly for both parties.", ">the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular \n> \n>nation \n> \n> or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group\n\nBy that Definition then every war is Genocide.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Yes, and it was all bad. A war crime. Including what we did.\n\nThen literally every war since the American Civil War is a war crime.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>Then bomb the base, not nuke the city. This is how warfare generally works. You are not supposed to kill innocent civilians. It's literally a rule of war. That's why War Crimes are called 'War Crimes.'\n\nNot when Nation States go to war, literally every part of them is mobilized for war. When every aspect of a country is being put to the war effort. You avoid civilian casualties when possible but they're unavoidable in Total War. The best way to limit civilian casualties is to end the war as soon as possible. That's done by destroying a country's ability to wage war and its will to fight it. That involves Strategic bombing and eventually the dropping of the Atomic Bomb. The Atomic bomb itself was the excuse Japan used to back its military down and surrender unconditionally. \n\nAll War is a crime.", ">Our desire to kill as many Japanese people as we possibly could led to the Cold War,\n\nNo it didn't.", "I think you meant to comment on this video https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/ramdrb/horrific_multicar_freeway_wreck_los_angeles/", "lol yes. Thank you. Fucking reddit. If I paste anything into a comment box now the site reloads. And I guess it reloaded the wrong page.", "I believe the Korean War is next on their list, as this question's come up for them many times.", "They were estimating there would be as many as 4 million casualties if we invaded the main islands of Japan with between 400,000 and 800,000 dead Americans. They decided to nuke two cities instead.", "It's based on a Hiroshima survivor's memoirs.", "The fuck is wrong with you?", "What was the other way? We lose half a million or they lose half a million. War is hell.", "/r/whoosh", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni_C4Ui06ck\n\nThis is another channel with great videos on different battles in WW2. The video linked is about pearl harbor, but if you look at the other videos on the channel they have videos, I believe from the history channel(?), about all different battles or theaters from the war.", "> i suppose my pear harbor was 9-11\n\nIn more ways than one", "Hahaha just saw i wrote pear harbor.\n\nI hate typing on my phone it sucks a butt." ]	37	videos	Pearl Harbor happened exactly 80 years ago. This documentary follows the event minute by minute.
https://youtu.be/XFqn3uy238E	/r/videos/comments/rb12fq/and_well_do_it_again/	[ "I love that they introduce the concept of \"lies to children\" in the video.\n\nThe concept stems from the book \"The Science of Discworld\", written by Terry Pratchett, Ian Stewart and Jack Cohen, and I can't recommend this book enough. It does such a great job of explaining science and knowledge as concepts.\n\nThe book eventually expands the concept into \"lies to adults\" to explain even more complex topics, and essentially argues that it's ~~turtles~~ lies all the way down.\n\nThere's more books in the series, too, about evolution and how we humans managed to \"externalize\" our intelligence through storytelling and narratives. It's a really fascinating way to look at things.", "A new Kurzgesagt video, today is a great day", "A few weeks ago, they put out a video on climate change that was sponsored by the Gates foundation. And that video got a lot of flack. And I can understand because the video seemed to be a mouth piece for what The Gates Foundation stands for. In that video, it tells us there isn't much a normal person can do but to vote and get the government steering in the right direction. I agree partially with this conclusion but I can undestand other people's frustrations.\n\nI think this video might have been a counter to the many people stating that kurzgesagt sold out or whatever during the climate change video. Yeah the Gates foundation has an agenda, but I still think they mean well for the most part.\n\nAlso, never would I think that kurzgesagt would sell us propaganda. This video is a reminder that the complications of how our world works is difficult to summarize and the most important job that they do is to inspire people and start the conversation. \n\nAs a scientist, this is what I have always considered kurzgesagt to be and everyone else should be reminded of this.", "I think people immediately turn sour simply because they see associated names instead of researching the credibility of those names and understanding their bias", "which is exactly what this latest video touches on. Its easy to get angry at something you \"think\" you know better than experts", "> I think this video might have been a counter to the many people stating that kurzgesagt sold out or whatever during the climate change video. Yeah the Gates foundation has an agenda, but I still think they mean well for the most part.\n\nPay attention to who funds each video. In this case the video is funded by the European Union's Horizon 2020 Research and Innovation Programme. It may be a good program, but still an example of \"selling out\". Their viewers didn't provide enough income to sustain their increased growth so they sell themselves to bigger money.\n\nHow it changes them will be seen later on.", "Page 8 of his book Immune is very interesting.", "Yeeees! My first thought was Science of Discworld as well, haha! Such a fantastic book! An absolute must read.", "\"Inspire and start the conversation\" is a valueless phrase.\n\n>Also, never would I think that kurzgesagt would sell us propaganda.\n\nAnd if they did unless there was popular support to challenge them how sure are you they would do the right thing? They acted as a mouth piece already what assurances are there if they do it again it wont be for nefarious reasons? Have they already? Doubt is hard to remove and good intentions have and do lead to horrendous and unspeakable evils.\n\nI could research everything they claim, I could do what you said about them starting the conversation and following it through. Unfortunately in the time it would take me to do the work they will have made a video or two already, then I would have to convince people, then I would have to overcome the barrier that are fanatics and sycophants, then I would have to get lucky that they would see it, and I would have to pray they would listen.\n\nOn content alone they can outpace me. To overcome their influence would require far more work than a \"conversation\" and fact checking. The reality of trusted influencers selling out goes far deeper and the rhetoric of \"starting a conversation\" is lip service to accountability with no real assurances.", "Everyone is capable of putting out propaganda of some kind, and without any real way to know what’s real and what isn’t, everyone is susceptible to it. All it needs is to be something that supports your own world view where you haven’t had a chance or refuse to listen to other viewpoints.\n\nNot to mention these guys have actually messed up previously. I don’t remember the bid but it amounted to terrible research and not validating their sources.", "I have been watching these videos for years. I decided to buy a shirt.", "I am one of the people who was really critical of their B&MGF sponsored video, and this \"response\" did nothing to assuage the worries that video brought to the fore of my mind. What you choose to omit in science often has as much of a marked impact on skewing the narrative as what you choose to keep. There is a lot of research on excellent ways to help climate change from outside of a Capitalist perspective, but they just threw their hands up and said \"vote with your wallet\".\n\nTo me, their coverage of Climate Change in their last video was as blatantly anti-science as conservative channels who put out videos on sexual education that only discuss abstinence.", "Issues with the Gates foundation aside, I think the format of these pop-science channels isn't really suited for video sponsorships if you truly value the integrity of your channel. If your audience comes to you for long form \"educational\" videos, I don't think having a brief \"by the way this is sponsored\" disclaimer at the start (or worse, end) makes viewers treat the video, which is 99.9% indistinguishable from their usual content, as any less credible than usual. Even when qualifying how informative their videos are like this, they're still assuring viewers that they are absolutely trustworthy because they do all the research and only condense as much as strictly necessary and are just trying to \"start a conversation\", it's not going to stop people from consuming Kurzgesagt at face value and being affected by their frequent calls to action (and I don't mean \"check out our merch store\"). But it'll at least give Kurzgesagt something to point to for a few years and go \"well we did warn people\" any time someone criticizes them for making a suspiciously one-sided video that turns out to be sponsored at the end.", "Your comment shows a lot of \"problems\" but not any \"solutions\". Should I listen to you more than them? Why or why not? Are you more of an expert than they are on any one field? Wouldn't we then have the same problem if at any point you become more famous/influencing/trustworthy than they are?\n\nI think in the end it's not up to YOU to show why they are right or wrong, it's in any one of us. It's one of the things they wanted to convey with this video, that each person should question things on their own terms. Having doubts is healthy, questioning everything and trusting no one no matter what, is not.", "After Effects gods.", "Why am I the authority on solutions because I have doubts raised on their genuineness? If you read carefully I did give a solution, assurances. The extent of which is promised may or may not sway me or others. Personally I'm a big fan of willing self-destruction.\n\n>Wouldn't we then have the same problem if at any point you become more famous/influencing/trustworthy than they are?\n\nYes, absolutely but also not my point at all.\n\n>I think in the end it's not up to YOU to show why they are right or wrong, it's in any one of us.\n\nNothing I said is invalidated whether it is me or you or a team of 100 of us working together. Influencers with a following can do immense harm compared to a gaggle of nobody idiots myself especially included. This is because they are trusted to convey information and arguments with accuracy, nobodies get far more scrutiny. And when things go wrong the trusted individual(s) are challenged less and sometimes receive significantly less consequences. To properly react and check the Influencers claims takes time and the influencer is not beholden to delay content and can flood the system to drown out the noise.\n\n>Having doubts is healthy, questioning everything and trusting no one no matter what, is not.\n\nImplying paranoia when that was never my point is as well not healthy. I have doubts because they showed themselves capable and willing to be a mouth piece, this act throws in to question what else did they do or are willing to do.", "Here's a video exactly about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM0aohBfUTc&\n\nCareful, comments maybe include YouTube drama between Tom Nicholas and Veritasium.", "Kurzgesagt is just too wholesome and honest for this world. This is the 2nd or 3rd video they’ve released that focuses purely on transparency, self-criticism, and honesty. Love to see this content!", "I get the feeling Kurzgesagt created this video as a preemptive strike against a future social media storm shitting on their videos for not being accurate. It's a shame they have to do that in the first place since someone who is an academic or expert should already be able to interpret what their videos are about.", "I don’t like salty Kurzgesagt.\n\nDon’t get me wrong, I enjoy their videos and I find them very informative. \n\nBut lately they seem to be more focused on the flack they’ve been receiving and responding to that flack, rather than acknowledging and moving on.\n\nFor instance, [their last video](https://youtu.be/F1Hq8eVOMHs) was pretty obviously a response [to this video](https://youtu.be/sGG-A80Tl5g) regarding red meat.\n\nTo be honest, I don’t think this video was really necessary. I do not believe any reasonable person would assume perfect knowledge from these videos, but rather a very high quality “good enough to know where to look for more info” level of knowledge. \n\nKurzgesagt, I love you but I’m a little worried you guys might be focusing on the flack and YouTube comments just a bit too much. I’m looking forward to you moving on and doing what you do best- making awesome videos.", "> turtles all the way down\n\nSong is a banger", "> Its easy to get angry at something you \"think\" you know better than experts\n\nAnytime some idiot tries to \"debate\" me about some nonsense they read on Facebook I agree under only one condition. They have to first bring me a copy of any one single introductory organic chemistry homework set they have actually completed on their own AND a printed copy of the minimum curriculum admissions criteria for any MD program in the USA so that we can first review those two items together.\n\nWhat most people fundamentally fail to conceptualize is that for every single minute Michael Phelps has spent in the pool, every single minute that Tom Brady has spent training on a football pitch etc. etc., doctors and credentialed \"researchers\" have spent with their noses in actual books and labs learning shit. So some mommy vaccine group's advice on human immunology really is about as worthwhile as my advice to Tom Brady on how to \"properly\" throw a football.", "I sure do hope the Plumbus does not become a new diet fad u/kurz_gesagt .", "Apparently the [plumbus](https://rickandmorty.fandom.com/wiki/Plumbus) is a new superfood now. 4:51 timestamp.", "The Gates Foundation is a great organization, they taught me that child labor is good in this Gates Foundation funded section of The Guardian. [https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/nov/06/child-labour-doesnt-have-to-be-exploitation-it-gave-me-life-skills](https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/nov/06/child-labour-doesnt-have-to-be-exploitation-it-gave-me-life-skills)\n\nI like how they changed the headline but didn't realize there's no way to change the URL without republishing the article.", "It's already been attempted a couple of years ago...\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAdQ7YN4lfE\n\nTL;DW: KZ made a video 2 years ago about addiction that was based on a shaky study. ~~\"The Right Opinion\"~~ Coffee Break told them this so they came out with \"Can you trust KZ\"\n\nThis made ~~\"The right Opinion\"~~ Coffee Break and \"The right opinion\" throw a fit because they published that video correcting their mistake before his slam piece was finished.\n\nYou can read Phil's response in the comments. It's quite apparent that KZ as a channel is not interested in these kind of drama videos.", "No worries. We have been working on the second videos for months. No chance that we could make a video a WEEK later as a response to a different one. This was video was not a response to any video at all, just a discussion of oversimplifcation that we felt was really necessary.", "[ Jump to 04:51 @ ...And We'll Do it Again](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFqn3uy238E&t=0h4m51s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: Kurzgesagt – In a Nutshell, Video Popularity: 98.71%, Video Length: [10:28])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@04:46](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFqn3uy238E&t=0h4m46s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "lol, how is the Gates foundation not propaganda.", "Why is that?", "Hey, stumbled over this and thought I'd give some behind the scenes. I was surprised to see that some people thought this video was a response to any video we made in the past or the reactions to them. The Gates Foundation criticism is not new to us since we have been very publicly working with them since 2014. Although to be fair, the distrust and attacks against them have really ramped up in the last two years or so. In general the values of the Gates Foundation and our values do overlap – if it wouldn't, it would make no sense to work with them.\n\nSome of the criticism of the climate video was fair imho, people want to be shown things they can do besides voting. So we are already working on a follow up video on that. Obviously we don't agree with the anti Gates Foundation sentiment but we also grew a bit numb over the years because it rarely is substantive and often a bit conspiracy-like. Also, its invisible now but even this video had about 98% likes, so its not like it actually was a huge controversy. People hating something are just loud and therefore extra visible.\n\nThe video today was a response to something else: People confusing our videos for science education. Either being angry of us because we didn't explain something \"correctly\" (i.e. simplifying) or viewers being convinced they understood a topic deeply after watching our videos. Both sides of this spectrum are frustrating.\n\nWe never really took the time to make clear that we are simplifying science considerably and that this comes with up and downsides. And as the channel has grown so much lately I really felt like making this clear to our audience. For transparency reasons but also in the weird age of media distrust it feels important to be clear about what we are trying to do with our channel. I'd rather have viewers that think critically about our videos and use them as a jumping off point to learn more than viewers that blindly trust what we say. Hope this makes sense! – Philipp", "They have a very storied and open history of acknowledging the mistakes they made. They even respond on this subreddit, which was part of their public statements, with people who brought up concerns.\n\nIn fact, [they're in the comments below yours!](https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rb12fq/and_well_do_it_again/hnn9tg4/c)", "The truth is a series of ever diminishing lies", "Don't they provide sources for their claims? Shouldn't it be the will of the viewer to seek out and question the points presented? Or have you accepted, since the general audience doesn't do that, their presentation model of providing \"childish lies\" is faulted to begin with?\n\n> And when things go wrong the trusted individual(s) are challenged less and sometimes receive significantly less consequences. To properly react and check the Influencers claims takes time and the influencer is not beholden to delay content and can flood the system to drown out the noise.\n\nI fundamentally disagree with this conclusion, I'm much more trusting in the audiences capability to discern and question what's being presented, and also of the very system to \"regulate\" itself. If anyone is sure a point being presented was done based on a mistake or malice, there are other \"Influencers\" that would point it out. This channel doesn't exist in a closed environment.\n\n>I have doubts because they showed themselves capable and willing to be a mouth piece, this act throws in to question what else did they do or are willing to do.\n\nThis to me is the starting of something akin to \"paranoia\". The fact you seem so distraught they have a big following and others might not see the same way you do.\n\nAll humans have an agenda, full impartiality is objectively impossible. Each individual should learn to understand that, asking for assurances on top of what was already presented feels like clutching for straws to me.", "Being wrong is an integral part of science. It's good to learn and make corrections. I'd be worried if you didn't acknowledge you got something wrong!", ">Also, its invisible now but even this video had about 98% likes, so its not like it actually was a huge controversy. People hating something are just loud and therefore extra visible.\n\nPart of that is also people taking the information at face value (which yes, the most recent video attempts to address) and/or simply enjoying the animation style. Because of that and because not all people may use the like / dislike button, I don't believe the like / dislike ratio is a good statistic to determine popular opinion; especially not on its own.\n\nThat aside, I think it would benefit both you and the rest of the Kurzgesagt team to do another AMA to provide more in-depth insight into the factors that influence your decision making when it comes to videos. As a long-time viewer I've actually interpreted recent criticism of Kurzgesagt to be the highest its ever been (even higher than during the Coffee Break drama), so reaching out to your audience and asking them what's concerning them about your recent videos (whether it be misleading information, failing to cover all sides of an argument etc.) could provide some valuable perspective to improve future content around. Heck, maybe even surveys are the answer: just do something to make it easier for people to communicate with you on their concerns.\n\nOutside of that, I would also recommend looking back on older videos and continuing to update / remove them as necessary primarily to keep things as accurate as possible (but I believe you're already doing this?) Either way, don't forget that the key to being trusted is to be as honest and open-minded as possible whether it relates to your sponsors or the actual information in your videos. Just my two cents.", "You are lying about the video, seemingly for some ulterior motive. The video specifically covered influencing politicians and voting with your ballot.", "KZ response:\n\nSo when I saw your video in my feed I was taken aback. Being part of Youtube Drama was really heartbreaking because I never wanted to be part of this part of Youtube culture. And I value(d) very much my existence as a private person, who was not wildey known, despite my channels size. But your video was a pretty fair discussion, thank you for that. \nIn hindsight, I should have notified CB before we uploaded. It would have been more fair to do so and I regret not doing it. It might have diffused the situation before it spiraled out of control. \nBut you are right. I did not trust CB. The reason was, that this was not the first time we spoke. He asked me for advice on how to grow his channel and how to turn it into a business two times before, and I gladly helped him as much as I could, advising to open a Patreon and offered to connect him with sponsors. Getting his, in my mind at the time, pretty in my face email, did really take me on the wrong foot. I felt confronted unfairly by someone I thought I had a good relationship with. And I did know the School of Life video.\n\nAdding to this, I was very frustrated that someone would call me out on a mistake that bothered me for a long time, before I could do it. Kurzgesagt is very important to me, and I genuinely try to make our videos as good as I can, without cutting corners. Still, I could have reacted much better and if I had entered the situation with more trust, it might have turned out differently. But yeah, in hindsight it is easy to make the right decision. Anyway. Thanks for the fair discussion -Philipp", "Aside from the B&MGF funding, what actual specific issues did you have against that Climate Change video? \n\nWhat narrative is missing? What are these excellent methods one can do that will fix or greatly help climate change? What is outside the capitalist perspective? (And what perspective do you mean then?)\n\nYou need to put some specifics in your argument at least. The whole point of that video was small things oneself can do can often barely make an impact if systemic changes are not imposed. They backed up with hard data, which shows where the majority of emission occur from.\n\nFor example, for abstinence, you can easily say sex education is proven to be more successful at preventing pregnancies or STDs in the real world.\n\nYou haven't even given one good example, except for alluding to some mysterious research that can fix everything? You can't say things are missing and not give any examples.", "The video mentioned voting, but touched on the limitations voting has, too. In that context they only ever discussed \"voting with your wallet\". I wasn't trying to place an ulterior motive, I just didn't spell out how far down the argument tree I was starting. Mb.", "It talks about Covid.", "Why don't you just research the things you think you don't agree with? Or look at the specific citation they give and determine yourself? They simply give an argument with evidence, you always have to decide yourself based on your own knowledge and logic to accept it or not.\n\nIt doesn't take that long to look something you dont think is right. Is your stance is you don't know what is correct and you can't be bothered to look things up to know? So therefore everything is wrong and impossible to trust anything? (Or conversely you blindly follow things you trust?)\n\nWhy do you think they (Kurzgesagt) are a mouthpiece? Because they worked with an organization you personally don't like? How do you know you are even right about the organization.\n\nDo you at least have one examples of why you think they're (kurzgesagt) wrong? Or what they did specifically to be considered a mouthpiece? What are they even mouthpiecing about? How does that relate to any controversy of the Gates foundation?\n\nBurying your head in the sand and saying they potentinally 'could' be a mouthpiece without even any specific examples, shows that likely your analysis and view of the Gates foundation may be poorly formed as well.\n\nIt's possible to retain information as something between fact or fiction, which you can later confirm or deny based off other evidence/arguments/knowledge you come across, pushing it towards either direction. It's wrong to just assume things are either fiction or fact just based on your subjective view of trust.", "I'm really glad yall have been able to avoid pigeon-holing yourselves on the channel.\n\nFor a while, I was worried it was going to become a \"what if we nuked _________\" Channel.\n\nKeeping a wide range of topics is really good for engagement.\n\nI use a lot of videos in class, especially the size of life to better visualize important concepts like diffusion and why there's so many folds and tubes in our body.", "> Some of the criticism of the climate video was fair imho, people want to be shown things they can do besides voting. So we are already working on a follow up video on that. \n\nI really hope you will include some real anti-capitalist analysis, and give advocates of direct action, a fair shout. Maybe try to talk to Peter Gelderloos and Andreas Malm, or at least take a look at their books. \n\nI was very let down by the \"What can YOU do to fix climate chage\" video, it seemed to almost intentionally gloss over the anti-capitalist arguments for climate change mitigation. I don't think it is a too much of a stretch to pick up on that and connect it to your support from the Gates Foundation, and was really hoping that this video would have addressed that.\n\nIf I recall correctly, it felt like they glossed over an anti-capitalist analysis, akin to \"some people think we could organise society different... any way moving on\". Which is a real shame and shows their bias towards capitalist thought. Now whether that is due to their sponsorship from billionaires or just regular capitalist realism is up for debate. \n\nIt did seem like a big omission though, and I think people are right to criticise them for not including some form of anti-capitalist analysis and sharing the viewpoint that collective direct action may be needed to fight climate change. It really is the best thing you as an individual can partake in, but barely got a mention!", "Always glad to see a new Kurzgesagt video. Just finished reading \"Immune\" and feel like Phillipp really hits the spot between \"too over-simplified\" and \"too damn analytical, my brain hurts\". Hoping I can find more books of a similar. style (if anyone knows any LMK)\n\nAlso, it's always nice to see people remind the public that they do need to be questioning the things they consume and look for the \"lies\" and oversimplifications and delve deeper if interested.", "If I recall correctly, it felt like they glossed over an anti-capitalist analysis, akin to \"some people think we could organise society different... any way moving on\". Which is a real shame and shows their bias towards capitalist thought. Now whether that is due to their sponsorship from billionaires or not is up for debate. \n\nIt did seem like a big omission though, and I think people are right to criticise them for not including some form of anti-capitalist analysis and sharing the viewpoint that collective direct action may be needed to fight climate change. It really is the best thing you as an individual can partake in, but barely got a mention!", "I really like their sci-fi videos, but their foray into political topics and debatably propagandized takes is a real turn off. But I guess money talks and they are heavily influenced by their benefactors.", "It's not hard to determine, I don't know why you are making it like a mystery. No one is making you believe them, they are giving their argument and you can note it as neither absolute fact or fiction. Just have it as a piece of info which you can push towards fact or fiction when you get more evidence. You should determine whether their argument is valid based in your own knowledge and then find the reasons why you don't think so and check.\n\nWhat is the propaganda? What are they trying to wrongly convince you of? What statements do you have any issue with?\n\nYou recall they messed up previously? What did they mess up? You say terrible research and not validating their sources? What does that mean? \n\nIf you can't recall even what they did yet you know they 'messed up', just shows how susceptible you are to propaganda. You don't even understand how they messed up only someone else's projection of it (aka propaganda) probably gleamed from another video/comment/title? \n\nThe issue they had was with their addiction video, was they held a particular viewpoint of a very nuance, complicated problem. Addiction is not a simple problem and they simply may have over simplified and made some conclusion that didn't cover all the nuances. They weren't exactly wrong and it's not exactly like the sources were bad. One of their sources had another source saying it wasn't replicable, though that doesn't necessarily mean it's wrong, what's to say the 2nd source isn't wrong/screwed up the methodology?\n\nIt's just how science works, people have different theories and overtime if enough evidence leans one way a dominant theory could arise. It doesn't mean the other theories are 'wrong' or the dominant theory is 'right'. Addiction is a complicated subject and there isn't one consensus. It's just the Kurzgesagt video may have made it seemed like it was, which can be a danger of simplification.", "FWIW, a strong counterpoint to [your climate video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiw6_JakZFc) is that people care more about issues that they are personally involved in. You kind of visit this, briefly, in your video, when you talk about \"influencing the people at the levers\", and that politicians \"need to know that the people care and that their own success depends on battling rapid climate change\". But the step that gets missed is that people show they care by being involved, and when more people are involved on a particular issue, more pressure is placed higher up the political chain to address it. This is the \"plastic straws\" counter: while banning plastic straws may not have a measurable effect on the environment, if people care enough to demand that plastic straws get banned, then it shows that people care about the environment and that keeps the larger environmental issues in the public discourse. Likewise, if people don't care enough to live without plastic straws, then politicians don't care enough to make the hard policy decisions either. Thus, plastic straws are a necessary but insufficient part of addressing rapid climate change.\n\nYou've already received so much feedback on that video, it seems silly to commit any more words to the din, but regardless, the negative reaction includes a great deal of worry that the takeaway from that video (and other arguments like it) is that it will only serve to demotivate people. I can't change a politician's behavior; I can't even, personally, choose which politicians win a particular office, nor which industries they will be beholden to once they are there. If changing any aspect of my own life will have zero impact on climate change, then why should i bother?\n\nWell, because of network effects. The changes that I am willing to commit to may get the attention of some of the people around me, and if they decide to make some changes too, then maybe a few more people will also make some changes, and if we're all making some changes, then suddenly a politician that is unwilling to make even bigger changes starts looking really unpopular.\n\nedit: oh, I forgot. A good example of this that recently made the rounds here in [a video by Vox](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaLOiGEDPJQ) is the ozone hole.\n\nI'm a big fan of your work btw, including the video posted here and the climate video and everything else -- enough so that I've bought a few things from your store, which is a little ironic in the context of the rest of this comment. :-)", "I can say for sure that we will not make the anticapitalist argument for solving climate change in the upcoming videos. Because after doing research on this for a while now, I don't think this is an approach that will solve the issue. For one, it seems that \"capitalism\" is often a stand in for \"things that are wrong with human nature\", like greed and wanting more even if it hurts others. Things that are part of us and that we will have to deal in any case.\n\nWhile there is a lot wrong with our current economic system (and I mean that, what we currently are doing is bad for so many people) so far I haven't seen arguments that present really great realistic alternatives. Not saying that a system change might not be the right thing to do, not saying that the way we are doing things right now is great – but we don't have time to try out a bunch of new political systems and try to establish them globally and I would wager that the majority of voters is also not in favor of such a change (and if we don't do this democratically then I'm not interested at all anyways). \n\nImho, we need to work with what we got and while this is annoying, it is possible. At least that is my unqualified opinion. I know many people want us to make anti capitalism videos but at least for the near future this is not happening. \n\nIt has nothing to do with the Gates Foundation btw, but to avoid this sort of impression we'll not do sponsorships on climate change videos in the future.", "Hey! I don't want to discuss your points in detail because I mostly agree with you. We are already working on two new climate videos, one of which will explore a bit more what individuals can do besides voting. In hindsight is always easy to see what people respond to strongly. The video was just meant to shake people a little bit and attack the personal responsibility angle that made so many people feel powerless and depressed. In any case, thanks for your feedback and watching : )", "Half of the fun of Kurzgesagt for me is jumping around between topics in an unpredictable way. We will soon again destroy earth in various entertaining ways.", "If you actually read into the article you know that's not what it says. \n\nThe argument is basically exploitative child labor is bad, aka, factory/organization exploitation or what your thinking of most likely. \n\nBut involvement of children to learn labor skills from their family and help support the family is not necessarily so. Why? Because unlike where you're from survival is often dependent on having these skills. They don't necessary have the opportunities to move away from needing the manual labor skills later in life.\n\nAlso when your family is starving and can't make ends meet, is children expected to simply sit there and starve to death? \n\nThere is a difference between exploitative child labor and having children work on farms to help support their families. The article argues it can be a bit more akin to having children do household chores: wash the dishes, cut grass etc. I think it's more extreme but in their (the families in Africa) perspective it probably isn't so. The article also talks about how it is a thin line though, since education is important ultimately for class mobility.\n\nIt's a very nuanced article with pretty good arguments. Basically saying how outsiders enforcing their view forcibly on people that are facing life and death situations. Should families starve simply because you don't like what they're doing? What gives you that right? Because you think you are morally superior?\n\nI suggest you try actually reading the article instead of focusing on article titles and making your conclusions based on that.\n\nOr at least make an argument, instead of 'child labor bad, so Gates bad'", "Thanks for the response!\n\n>I can say for sure that we will not make the anticapitalist argument for solving climate change in the upcoming videos. Because after doing research on this for a while now, I don't think this is an approach that will solve the issue. For one, it seems that \"capitalism\" is often a stand in for \"things that are wrong with human nature\", like greed and wanting more even if it hurts others. Things that are part of us and that we will have to deal in any case.\n\nI edited my comment, perhaps too slowly to include direct action, is that something you would consider covering? There are very good arguments that sabotage and mass civil disobedience that violates property rights is what is in need. \n\nThe issue isn't human greed, it's hierarchy, be that from a state or a capitalist, over the rest of us. You end up with negative externalities (climate change) not affecting share holders or state officials, but they are the ones that make the decisions. A system like market socialism or syndicalism that would remove those hierarchies would mean we could and would easily make changes, since the decision makers would now be the ones who suffer the consequences.\n\n>While there is a lot wrong with our current economic system (and I mean that, what we currently are doing is bad for so many people) so far I haven't seen arguments that present really great realistic alternatives. Not saying that a system change might not be the right thing to do, not saying that the way we are doing things right now is great – but we don't have time to try out a bunch of new political systems and try to establish them globally and I would wager that the majority of voters is also not in favor of such a change (and if we don't do this democratically then I'm not interested at all anyways). \n\nHave you ever heard of Rojava, or the Zapatistas? These are societies with millions of people living in them today that operate along libertarian socialist principles. There is an alternative to USSR style socialism, and it does work. Workers united can take direct action to a whole new level!\n\nThe problem we face is, we don't have a platform to share these ideas, since we are going against the state and the capitalist class. My dream is for a science educator like yourself to produce a series of engaging high quality videos sharing these ideas. I honestly think that would be the best way for you to fight climate change. \n\n>Imho, we need to work with what we got and while this is annoying, it is possible. At least that is my unqualified opinion. I know many people want us to make anti capitalism videos but at least for the near future this is not happening. \n\n>It has nothing to do with the Gates Foundation btw, but to avoid this sort of impression we'll not do sponsorships on climate change videos in the future. \n\nHave you ever considered doing a video on the idea of manufacturing consent? Seems relevant to these discussions! Either way it seems odd to avoid an entire type of politics in videos when they are so relevant.", "Every armchair scientist needs to watch this video. You can't possibly know quantum physics unless you've gone to college for it", "I was wondering if anyone else would catch that", "Hey! I think it is important to be aware of criticism and to question yourself regularly – but on the other hand I also think it is important to not become beholden to your critics. \n\nIn the last three years the channel just has become so incredibly big. Larger than I ever thought it would be. We are among the largest science channels on the platform, possibly the largest, depending on how you measure and what counts. So we have now become the \"big one\" and therefore we are subject to extra attention and scrutiny and we just reach a lot of different people. We also try not to cater to any political side, which annoys especially people that are very political (we get a lot of flag from many right wing people for being very strongly pro vaccine and from left wing people for not taking a strong stance against capitalism, to name two popular examples). Many critics will not be happy regardless of what we do – or if they would be happy, we would not be happy – and us being happy with the content is more important in this case.\n\nHow do we solve that? Well, we work on our process and we try to be transparent. Flawed as it may be, we put hundreds of hours into research, fact checking, conversations with experts and documenting our sources. We are still working on improving our process as much we can – for a ten minute video the time we spend is already insane.\n\nSo we do read feedback, we consider it and talk about it internally. But we also make decisions to ignore some of it if we arrive at the conclusion that it has no merit. If we don't, then we improve things. But in the end, while we love interacting with out viewers, there needs to be a line in the sand.\n\nHope this reply was helpful! : )", "Please excuse if I don't get into a detailed discussion with you, it is late and I'm super jetlagged. But to respond briefly and more generally: this is just not the kind of stuff I want to make videos about on my channel. I want to focus on science and tech and this sort of stuff. Politics is boring and complicated and it makes people very angry because it supercharges the identity part of their brain. It just is not fun and since there are enough aspects of topics like climate change to discuss that are equally relevant, we'll focus on them.", "I have been doing some thinking on climate change recently and I actually believe all responsibility can be led back to consumers. Every single company that exists on this planet exists to supply the demand of a consumer somewhere along the supply chain.\n\nThere are no companies that exist where there isn't a consumer making a purchase decision at the end of the supply chain. Ignoring probably government spending. In democratic countries, you also get to vote for the government. So, you actually get to vote twice, once with your wallet, and once with your democratic vote.\n\nIf all consumers wanted, they could end the climate crisis today.\n\nAnother point that I've thought about is that if we 'wait' until every individual understands the effect of climate change, then it will be too late. What we would require to achieve the goals would either be a dictator or democratic politician who 'sacrifices' themselves for the good of humanity, i.e. does what is 'right' despite it not being the wishes of the voters. Or we need someone or some people to develop radically improved technology that is more financially attractive than the less sustainable alternatives. See Elon Musk developing electric cars as an example.", "I realize I've never had to make videos before, but in my opinion I feel like any video discussing what we need to do about climate change has to address the structure and current state of our society and how to improve it, and will inevitably be political or at least have strong political implications, and trying to avoid that will do more harm than good in the end. Climate change is a complicated political minefield in general. Society is very politically divided nowadays but channels like yours are some of the relatively few ways to help improve that IMO.", "I understand but I think it's a shame. These ideas are critical to making change on a societal level, but if they don't get a platform, they are never going to be able to make their way to the mainstream. \n\nAnyway it is late here too, good night, and I very much appreciate the engagement, even if we do disagree.", "Perhaps not for much longer, With the decline in popularity for college in general and the increase in self-education through online classes. As well as far better access to information from certified reputable sources. I believe self taught professionals will soon become a new normal.", "I think the “birdman” signal is now one of my favorites.", "I'd like to at least see certification tests of some kind. In my field, programming, many people are self taught but they can take certifications to prove their stuff. I hardly ever trust someone online thay says they know quantum physics because every person I've known who did physics in college said they couldn't touch it with a 10ft pole.", "To reply to your other comment to mine that got removed, I’m not educated enough on theory to evaluate the viability of those radical solutions for certain myself. I don’t know if it would be appropriate for such a large channel to make a video advocating for a very specific speculative solution that’s divisive and may or may not work. It might cause his channel to be perceived as biased and backfire.\n\nI think a more neutral or subtle approach to the facts at hand will be best. But at the very least a broader discussion of these issues on what actually causes climate change and how to fix it will be necessary to collectively push our society in the right direction, and bring these topics to light in order to help us discuss and decide what solutions, including potential radical ones, will be best.", "“Over confidence in your understanding of science can lead to bad decisions.” \nCough cough (antivaxers) cough (flat earth people) cough", "People already tried, no one took the bait.", "To be honest though, I think I trust people with certs less than those who don't have them though. Certs are for the most part easy to cram for and don't really show aptitude or design properness. Just like university grads are a massive question mark in terms of their effectiveness, certs are the same way.", "But until we're magically somehow truly stateless, there is human greed and human in-group way of thinking and acting in life, and this also steers even the most powerful people in the world. People dream up these amazingly convoluted conspiracies, because admitting that the people at the top are just as generally clueless and flawed as you is hard.", ">I have been doing some thinking on climate change recently and I actually believe all responsibility can be led back to consumers. \n\nThen you've been thinking, but not paying attention to reality", "I mean, in the strictest sense of the word, pretty much every public piece of information on a political topic is technically propaganda.\n\nHowever, calling something \"propaganda\" usually implies some kind of misleading or malevolent intention. The Gates foundation is just a non-profit organisation seeking to improve conditions in the poorest areas of the world, but many people treat it as if it was some kind of moustache-twirling villain who wants everyone to be chipped and sent to the slave pens because they've been swept up by conspiracy theories.", "So is it Black coffee you cum or a double double?", "What if they decided that the Horizon 2020 was actually just a really good thing that they wanted to be a part of? Just because they're funded by something doesn't mean that they don't honestly like it.", "This doesn't touch on KZ's opinionated sections. In their recent AMA, KZ stated they will still continue do place opinionated sections in future videos: \"We have an opinion part in a minority of videos, always have have had that\"\n\nWhat? Why? Kids science videos shouldn't have opinion sections. Especially if they are worried about being impartial and accurate.\n\nMost kids aren't capable of separating factual teaching from opinionated advocacy. They're going to just believe the opinion the same as the science section. Worse, over and over, KZ has struggled implying that there are easy, firm, clear answers in political science, psychological science, social science, and economic science (for example, the Universal Basic Income video was awful for both oversimplification and mixing in opinions). \n\nSo if the plan is further accuracy, why keep opinions? Can't KZ just let go of pushing personal views? These are out-of-place for children's science videos.", "Well I mean the biggest lie is that the narrator is just a hired narrator reading off a script. The guy who runs the channel has an American accent.", "No lol. There can be good and bad propaganda. It just depends on the interests that are represented. There are tons of shitty nonprofits out there.\n\nBill Gates has argued against vaccine IP removal, and fearmongered about third world population growth, hung out with Jeffrey Epstein after he was a convicted sex offender, and is an open supporter of billionaire corporatist capitalism which is one of the primary forces enabling climate destruction. His interests are wholly in support of feel-good incrementalist solutions and against anything actually fundamentally powerful in the battle against climate change", "Dude, a science-based show meant for a general audience isn't going to get into the shitstorm that politics brings in, it already got close enough as it is. \n\nWhat is your obsession with having Kurzgesagt repeat your anti-capitalist views? You're ALL OVER this post giving a science show shit for not talking about how having workers own the factory they work at suddenly ceases all CO2 production. \n\nAs Kurzgesagt told you, climate change has way more to do with human defects like greed and corruption than just capitalism. It's not like anti-capitalist societies have been ecological paradises either.", "Programming is arguably more a skill than a discipline though. There's plenty of disciplines (simulation, high availability clusters, HPC, etc) where programming is as necessary and core skill as algebra is to a Mathematics major, but by itself it isn't a discipline. Pretty much no college offers a Bachelors in Programming for example.\n\nGenerally, other careers have significantly more pre-requirements to learn, ranging from core math courses to advanced scientific and physical courses, even before you start getting into the real nitty-gritty of the degree you're pursuing. That's years of just learning enough background things to start to learn the advanced topics. \n\nLook, I will trust a guy who went to a month bootcamp to make some simple web APIs and a frontend for a simple service, or to make a mobile app. But shit like managing an HPC cluster, or designing and orchestrating a service whose downtime might cost lives are jobs I would not give to a person without worthy recognition from certified universities, or to a self-taught person without ample experience beforehand (actually both require previous experience, tbh).", "Unfortunately we live in an era of heightened information warfare (hence the example about antivaxxers), and sometimes an institution has no choice but to aggressively defend itself.", "Well like it or not, Science Fiction or Speculative Fiction is full of social commentary so even sci fi will get political regardless.", "How is their video on a dyson sphere political?", "> I edited my comment, perhaps too slowly to include direct action, is that something you would consider covering? There are very good arguments that sabotage and mass civil disobedience that violates property rights is what is in need.\n> \n> The issue isn't human greed, it's hierarchy, be that from a state or a capitalist, over the rest of us. You end up with negative externalities (climate change) not affecting share holders or state officials, but they are the ones that make the decisions. A system like market socialism or syndicalism that would remove those hierarchies would mean we could and would easily make changes, since the decision makers would now be the ones who suffer the consequences.\n\nRegardless of the system itself, a hierarchy will inevitably form in order to meet the demands of the work itself: It is infeasible for everyone to manage everything at all times, as some tasks will likely involve the constant attention & expertise of someone/a group in order to maintain its functionality. This will inevitably lead to some delegation of tasks & specialization of duties in order to cover this shortfall. \n\nFrom there, the traditional hierarchical system will reimplement itself, even if it's not official, as the specialization of work will require some of the workers to delegate work to others more specialized & equipped to handle their assigned tasks/duties. This will inevitably lead to a middleman (either by workers or by software) where the goals are sent to the designated specialized workforce, with accompanying metrics sent back for analysis. \n\nControl & power will in this scenario be concentrated by the middleman/maintainers, as they have control over the ins & outs through said system. Even if a non-hierarchical solution could be implemented, power & control would only be shifted around, as now the centralized endpoint would be on the maintenance of such a system. Even if a circular non-hierarchical system could be implemented, it only requires that some part of the system start hoarding control in order to bring the entire system to a screeching halt.\n\nKeep in mind that this is still the ideal scenario. Reality has bottlenecks & chokehold points, where centralization of control will occur. More likely than not, this control will be hoarded and people will be back at the same place they were before the entire system started. This doesn't even take into account the work required to even internalize externalities, & transform it into an understandable set of metrics that can be incorporated into the system itself: That work alone can be a centralization risk, as well as the work to oversee such work.\n \n> Have you ever heard of Rojava, or the Zapatistas? These are societies with millions of people living in them today that operate along libertarian socialist principles. There is an alternative to USSR style socialism, and it does work. Workers united can take direct action to a whole new level!\n\nHaving looked them up, while it is true that their system does work, it is highly dependent on the culture & interactions of the people as well. Upon analysis, such a system requires high levels of inherent trust among people, which is a finite resource that is non-permanent & transitory in nature. While it is theoretical that it could be done for everywhere else, most societies with low levels of trust & high systemic corruption would abuse this system for the benefit of the abuser(s), with effectively zero recourse for the affected, making it no better than our current system.\n\n> The problem we face is, we don't have a platform to share these ideas, since we are going against the state and the capitalist class.\n\nPutting aside the fact that a discussion of such ideas is currently taking place on this platform, there are a lot more places & areas that allow for such discussions. /r/LateStageCapitalism & /r/socialism are well-established areas for such types of discussion. Even if we disregard them, there are plenty of circles on other platforms that actively engage in anti-capitalist rhetoric with relatively few restrictions (including on the big platforms: A simple search on them is enough to bring them up without any effort).\n\nOn another note, the use of \"we\" in this case is problematic, as it is a latent effort to rope in /u/kurz_gesagt into an anti-capitalist stance, without any regard to the team's own opinions on the matter. Please define the term \"we\" properly in this regard, as otherwise an effort of co-opting someone's work for a personal goal is to be assumed otherwise.\n\n> *&nbsp;My dream is for a science educator like yourself to produce a series of engaging high quality videos sharing these ideas. I honestly think that would be the best way for you to fight climate change.\n\nThe idea of there being a \"best way to fight climate change\" is fundamentally moot, as all solutions exist on a multidimensional scale of tradeoffs: A can be better than B in one aspect, while worse in another aspect. The designation of a \"best\" idea is disingenuous to the other solutions that are available & that can be used immediately by our own individual efforts, /u/Midasx.\n\nRegardless, this latently seems like the coercion of channels to engage in topics that they're not equipped to handle, not to mention the delegation of such a task to them being denoted as \"the best way to fight climate change\", subversively using /u/kurz_gesagt's reach as a megaphone for the topics that you want to be covered, even though it falls well outside of their wheelhouse of focus & expertise. A more politics-oriented channel like Philosophy Tube would be able to cover such a topic with a better focus & attention than if Kurtzgesagt did so, & with probabilistically better outcomes.\n\n> Have you ever considered doing a video on the idea of manufacturing consent? Seems relevant to these discussions! Either way it seems odd to avoid an entire type of politics in videos when they are so relevant.\n\nThis is because the overlap of the focus of /u/kurz_gesagt (relatively-grounded science-related educational content), & the topic that you want discussed (political optics & subjective reality), is near nonexistent. Such discussions are not ideal for a channel that doesn't specialize in such discussions, and can be detrimental for the channel itself in more ways than one. In this case, it is more important for the channel to remain focused on providing high-quality educational science-related content, than it is to divert its focus away from its developed specialty and risk both \n\n(a) the invitation of highly partisan individuals, making discussions of any future content more unpalatable; & \n\n(b) the scowl & ridicule of individuals that want content that is (relatively) neatly separated from politics, consequently leading to them disengaging from the channel entirely, reducing their overall positive impact via their content than if they hadn't engaged with such topics.\n\nBoth of these risks are simply too large relative to the minute payoff of engaging with such topics. It would be more beneficial if the topic were to be handled by another channel more properly focused on such discussions, than to make/force a channel to engage with the topic, inviting the aforementioned risks.", "They also ignored a majority of studies going against them at the time. Since that video I don't watch them anymore. They pick their opinion first and then try to prove it. It's opinion backed by cherry picked science, not science.", "People who study topics for years still feel as though they don't know everything but people who do one google search for 8 minutes are experts", "thanks for the vid, at my previous university a lot of the funding was provided purely by the Gates foundation and a lot of the research would not be possible without it so let the noise pass and do your duty as you are cheers", "Dunning Kruger Effect is tragic", "Programming is just a set of tools in a tool box that are each better suited for different scenarios. I have a CS degree and I in total took maybe 3 classes focused solely on programming. It is predominantly learning about operating systems, complexity, algorithms, data structures, and math. Knowledge of those is what builds functional efficient applications. I could learn a programming language in a couple of weeks if I needed to.", "How would being stateless get rid of human greed and group-thinking? The political state doesn't determine basic human tendencies.", "I'm open to any other alternative viewpoint. Am I incorrect in saying that all business can be led back to a consumer? Nope.", "You don't need to cough bro, they literally used antivaxxers as an example in the video.", "First of all, thanks for the detailed and thoughtful response!\n\n> Regardless of the system itself, a hierarchy will inevitably form in order to meet the demands of the work itself: It is infeasible for everyone to manage everything at all times, as some tasks will likely involve the constant attention & expertise of someone/a group in order to maintain its functionality. This will inevitably lead to some delegation of tasks & specialization of duties in order to cover this shortfall.\n\n> From there, the traditional hierarchical system will reimplement itself, even if it's not official, as the specialization of work will require some of the workers to delegate work to others more specialized & equipped to handle their assigned tasks/duties. This will inevitably lead to a middleman (either by workers or by software) where the goals are sent to the designated specialized workforce, with accompanying metrics sent back for analysis.\n\n> Control & power will in this scenario be concentrated by the middleman/maintainers, as they have control over the ins & outs through said system. Even if a non-hierarchical solution could be implemented, power & control would only be shifted around, as now the centralized endpoint would be on the maintenance of such a system. Even if a circular non-hierarchical system could be implemented, it only requires that some part of the system start hoarding control in order to bring the entire system to a screeching halt.\n\n> Keep in mind that this is still the ideal scenario. Reality has bottlenecks & chokehold points, where centralization of control will occur. More likely than not, this control will be hoarded and people will be back at the same place they were before the entire system started. This doesn't even take into account the work required to even internalize externalities, & transform it into an understandable set of metrics that can be incorporated into the system itself: That work alone can be a centralization risk, as well as the work to oversee such work.\n\nIt will be of course impossible to remove all hierarchies from society, and to prevent new ones forming. However political philosophies that focus on tackling the problem of hierarchy are going to help tremendously in reducing them, and giving people true autonomy and freedom over their lives. If people aren't in a situation where they are forced to do things that they don't agree with, we will end up in a much happier and healthier society.\n\n\n> Having looked them up, while it is true that their system does work, it is highly dependent on the culture & interactions of the people as well. Upon analysis, such a system requires high levels of inherent trust among people, which is a finite resource that is non-permanent & transitory in nature. While it is theoretical that it could be done for everywhere else, most societies with low levels of trust & high systemic corruption would abuse this system for the benefit of the abuser(s), with effectively zero recourse for the affected, making it no better than our current system.\n\nThe Zapatistas are not one homogeneous group, they area made up of many different indigenous peoples. The same is true in Rojava, an area of the middle east that has been dominated by sectarian violence for centuries. I don't buy the argument that a developed first world nation would be incapable of organising in these ways, when a) it's happened before (anarchist Spain), and b) a country decimated by civil war and poverty has been able to do it.\n\nI don't believe people would be able to meaningfully abuse this system, as their community would just start to ignore them if that was their approach. Without giving people the ability to own the work of others, nor have a monopoly on violence that the state provides; people are going to have to figure things out for themselves, and aren't able to get into a position where they can dominate others.\n\n> Putting aside the fact that a discussion of such ideas is currently taking place on this platform, there are a lot more places & areas that allow for such discussions. /r/LateStageCapitalism & /r/socialism are well-established areas for such types of discussion. Even if we disregard them, there are plenty of circles on other platforms that actively engage in anti-capitalist rhetoric with relatively few restrictions (including on the big platforms: A simple search on them is enough to bring them up without any effort).\n\n> On another note, the use of \"we\" in this case is problematic, as it is a latent effort to rope in /u/kurz_gesagt into an anti-capitalist stance, without any regard to the team's own opinions on the matter. Please define the term \"we\" properly in this regard, as otherwise an effort of co-opting someone's work for a personal goal is to be assumed otherwise.\n\nI use \"we\" as in \"we libertarian socialists\". You are right there are great discussions on reddit and other social media platforms, so we aren't silenced in that regard. However what I yearn for is a mainstream platform with eyeballs on it, that can reach the apolitical, not just the already radicalised. However when your message is \"I think we should over throw capitalism and the state and build something new\", there aren't many mainstream places where your content is welcome.\n\n> The idea of there being a \"best way to fight climate change\" is fundamentally moot, as all solutions exist on a multidimensional scale of tradeoffs: A can be better than B in one aspect, while worse in another aspect. The designation of a \"best\" idea is disingenuous to the other solutions that are available & that can be used immediately by our own individual efforts, /u/Midasx.\n\n> Regardless, this latently seems like the coercion of channels to engage in topics that they're not equipped to handle, not to mention the delegation of such a task to them being denoted as \"the best way to fight climate change\", subversively using /u/kurz_gesagt's reach as a megaphone for the topics that you want to be covered, even though it falls well outside of their wheelhouse of focus & expertise. A more politics-oriented channel like Philosophy Tube would be able to cover such a topic with a better focus & attention than if Kurtzgesagt did so, & with probabilistically better outcomes.\n\nI love PhilosophyTube and a lot of other BreadTube creators, they do an excellent job in sharing more radical views, what they don't do is create short and accessible explainers aimed at the mainstream. I would love there to be a BreadTuber that could somehow nail that, but it hasn't happened yet. Pitching it to Kurtzgesagt is a long shot, but I can't help but try. When I listen to [George Monbiot](https://youtu.be/0b8dllBNbRg?t=1283) sharing how he sees the media failing on climate change, and then see a video like Kurtzgesagt's, I can't help but link the two.\n\n> This is because the overlap of the focus of /u/kurz_gesagt (relatively-grounded science-related educational content), & the topic that you want discussed (political optics & subjective reality), is near nonexistent. Such discussions are not ideal for a channel that doesn't specialize in such discussions, and can be detrimental for the channel itself in more ways than one. In this case, it is more important for the channel to remain focused on providing high-quality educational science-related content, than it is to divert its focus away from its developed specialty and risk both\n\n> (a) the invitation of highly partisan individuals, making discussions of any future content more unpalatable; &\n\n> (b) the scowl & ridicule of individuals that want content that is (relatively) neatly separated from politics, consequently leading to them disengaging from the channel entirely, reducing their overall positive impact via their content than if they hadn't engaged with such topics.\n\n> Both of these risks are simply too large relative to the minute payoff of engaging with such topics. It would be more beneficial if the topic were to be handled by another channel more properly focused on such discussions, than to make/force a channel to engage with the topic, inviting the aforementioned risks.\n\nI know they won't make a video on radical politics, as it's very dis-incentivised within the YouTube platform and wider capitalist society. It isn't in there interests to do it! However I think anyone who is serious about climate change, needs to at least be open to the political discussion as that is such a huge part of why we are where we are today. Capitalism and consumerism got us into climate change, doing more of it isn't the solution.\n\nThis all ties into the concept of manufacturing consent too, have you ever heard about it?", "Fake news. I have a German accent.", "I have Covid you insensitive a", "e-covid. Should have have your e-vaccine.", "How are their videos \"political\"?", "I reserve my e-body for my e-choice, and only choose to e-drink till I can’t see straight, smoke e-cigarettes, and snort e-coke. I will not touch that e-vaccine, too much e-trash in it", "Because they have chosen topics that are controversial, using questionable scientific studies, to push conclusions that are politically divided. Topics such as the war on drugs, mass surveillance, climate change and it's relationship to agriculture and eating meat, overpopulation, the merits of the european union, universal basic income, marijuana legalization, etc. \n\nI don't watch their videos because I give a shit about their conclusions on divisive topics, and given the topic of the OP, that should make sense to you. You cannot possibly cover all the relevant information on these topics in a 10 minute video and they are ultimately opining on them which I think is wrong.", "I think it's ahistoric to think that being neutral and subtle is ever going to be effective in creating positive change. \n\nThe en-mass sabotaging of fossil fuel infrastructure would work to fight climate change, far better and more effectively than any solutions proposed in their video. Yet none of the mainstream would ever dare to condone such actions, despite being necessary for our survival.\n\nIt's down to people with a platform to make that leap and spread those views, without them it's never going to happen.", "Sure a company wouldn’t exist without a consumer, but the way a company goes about making its money doesn’t always have to be scummy and earth destroying.", "My point is consumers do have absolute power to decide which companies fail and which succeed. \n\n'Hoping' for a company to do the right thing, I don't think will achieve anything. We need people voting with their wallets or voting for leaders to enact regulations/taxes that disincentivise counterproductive practices.", "I mean in theory yes, practically not really. If you dont care about social Status, convenience, being up to date technologically, then yes - you can choose and pick as a consumer.\n\nBut in the end companies have so much Power nowadays they built up in the last few decades in which some of the most agregious ones denied and funded deniers of climate change, and most of them lobbied against everything which would hurt their bottom lines, that as a consumer you can do some stuff, especially to help ease your Mind, but you will never really make a dent. You would need basically whole continents of people changing their habits, waivinf convenience and technologically Standards to make a dent as far as I understand it.\n\nSo yes in theory the customer is at fault, but in the end it's just a big game by people with too much money for their own good - they have all the Power, and as long as most people gunning and getting into high political Position remain greedy it probably wont change imo. Also kill mega Corporations, one of the worst things capitalism ever produced.", "> It will be of course impossible to remove all hierarchies from society, and to prevent new ones forming. However political philosophies that focus on tackling the problem of hierarchy are going to help tremendously in reducing them, and giving people true autonomy and freedom over their lives. If people aren't in a situation where they are forced to do things that they don't agree with, we will end up in a much happier and healthier society.\n\n[Rant]\n\nGroans* ... This is where I need to bring up the question 'What is the implementation plan for that idea?'. Philosophizing is necessary to begin with the engagement of such an idea, but if you ever want traction, you have to begin writing the plan for it to even begin the journey. Every time I ask someone 'That system sounds great, what is the implementation procedure for it?', they'll inevitably (after a few pokes & prods into their idea) circle back into some form of authoritarian government, because they've spent so long pondering that they haven't even begun to put it down as even an ideal procedure. And when I circle back to them, they've made no progress whatsoever beyond that initial encounter. How can anyone rally behind such an idea when there aren't even any outlines for it?\n\n[/Rant]\n\n> I use \"we\" as in \"we libertarian socialists\". You are right there are great discussions on reddit and other social media platforms, so we aren't silenced in that regard. However what I yearn for is a mainstream platform with eyeballs on it, that can reach the apolitical, not just the already radicalised. However when your message is \"I think we should over throw capitalism and the state and build something new\", there aren't many mainstream places where your content is welcome.\n\nYou'll be surprised at how much anti-cap content like that is allowed on platforms nowadays: Controlled dissent is both a viable and remarkably effective release valve.\n\n> I love PhilosophyTube and a lot of other BreadTube creators, they do an excellent job in sharing more radical views, what they don't do is create short and accessible explainers aimed at the mainstream. I would love there to be a BreadTuber that could somehow nail that, but it hasn't happened yet. Pitching it to Kurtzgesagt is a long shot, but I can't help but try. When I listen to George Monbiot sharing how he sees the media failing on climate change, and then see a video like Kurtzgesagt's, I can't help but link the two.\n\nThe reason for this is mainly due to how much the philosophers really like to live in their world of abstractions, but have never once tried to properly implement their ideas into solid algorithms & systems. The abstractness of any given idea or model correlates well with how long a person needs to explain said idea/model. Science is much more easily accessible by comparison just because of the practicality & relative immedateness of the conducted tests: Scientific models are nice, but they're the wallpapers over the imperfect reality that we live in. Even so, they can be condensed into a well-enough package that can be shown without much difficulty. Even with something highly abstract like math, the concepts within it can be grasped with some effort.\n\nPhilosophy, meanwhile, can reductively be labelled as the ponderings of a lot of people without much work put into 'how to make things better', or even 'how to rigorously define a problem for solving'. Philosophers like to wrap themselves in terms that are even more abstract than some fields of math, but with almost no concrete basis for their ideas.\n\n> I know they won't make a video on radical politics, as it's very dis-incentivised within the YouTube platform and wider capitalist society. It isn't in there interests to do it! However I think anyone who is serious about climate change, needs to at least be open to the political discussion as that is such a huge part of why we are where we are today. Capitalism and consumerism got us into climate change, doing more of it isn't the solution.\n\nHowever, the counter suggestion that you're making is not at all enticing to those within the system. Most people would scowl at your suggestion at living at a worse standard than they have right now, and for good reason: You're asking for people to give up on their goals & dreams, & to abandon objective & visual metrics for their success for something that's much harder to gauge instantly.\n\n> This all ties into the concept of manufacturing consent too, have you ever heard about it?\n\n...Yes, I have heard of the famous title coined by Noam Chomsky's co-authored book, and the meaning of the phrase itself, which denotes the role that the media plays with the state in shaping narratives in order to produce better results of the relative health metrics of the private organization (revenue, costs, & profit), & that at the book's creation, peer-to-peer mass communication technology didn't exist in an easily accessible format. I also know that the necessity of the private org's survival & the need of the state to maintain relatively high confidence results in the overlap of the two organizations, whether intentional or not, to make access for each other easier, & therefore cost-efficient, for a select few whilst at the expense of others that would've otherwise taken a harder stance. \n\n[Rant] I swear, once people glance upon anything by him & see this book, this is all that they could talk about. [/Rant]", "To keep things getting out of hand in terms of readability I'd like to address I think your main frustration with my point and beliefs, which is how we convert the abstract into reality. \n\nFor me the answer is very simple, syndicalism! It's had great success before in the 30's across the western world, and is still alive and kicking today, albeit at much much smaller numbers than we were back then. If you aren't familiar with it, it was popular in the 20s and 30s during the great depression, and was one of the big brokers of power among the labour movement that lead to the new deal and other reforms. In Spain it also lead to a revolution that lead to a few years of libertarian socialist society, before it was snuffed out by the fascists and Stalinists. \n\nOther than the fact we are small in number and have a very uphill struggle, I see no reason why those ideas can't come to fruition again and be effective once more. If we start to live in the way we want the world to be, and organise our workplaces accordingly there is little the state or corporations can do to really stop it. A great example of this is the reclaimed factories movement in Argentina in the early 2000's. They took over control of many factories and ran them democratically very successfully. \n\nI think if the idea of syndicalism became mainstream we could make very rapid change across society for the better of all. However most people have never even heard of syndicalism let alone knowing what it is. That's why I'd love to create digestible content for the 21st century mainstream to spread those ideas and get us back up to strength. \n\n> However, the counter suggestion that you're making is not at all enticing to those within the system. Most people would scowl at your suggestion at living at a worse standard than they have right now, and for good reason: You're asking for people to give up on their goals & dreams, & to abandon objective & visual metrics for their success for something that's much harder to gauge instantly.\n\nQuite literally the opposite is true, I'm asking people to band together in their workplaces to make conditions better for themselves, and then work with other workplaces in solidarity to firstly help each other, and then to help change society.", "> For me the answer is very simple, syndicalism! It's had great success before in the 30's across the western world, and is still alive and kicking today, albeit at much much smaller numbers than we were back then. If you aren't familiar with it, it was popular in the 20s and 30s during the great depression, and was one of the big brokers of power among the labour movement that lead to the new deal and other reforms. In Spain it also lead to a revolution that lead to a few years of libertarian socialist society, before it was snuffed out by the fascists and Stalinists.\n> \n> Other than the fact we are small in number and have a very uphill struggle, I see no reason why those ideas can't come to fruition again and be effective once more. If we start to live in the way we want the world to be, and organise our workplaces accordingly there is little the state or corporations can do to really stop it. A great example of this is the reclaimed factories movement in Argentina in the early 2000's. They took over control of many factories and ran them democratically very successfully.\n> \n> I think if the idea of syndicalism became mainstream we could make very rapid change across society for the better of all. However most people have never even heard of syndicalism let alone knowing what it is. That's why I'd love to create digestible content for the 21st century mainstream to spread those ideas and get us back up to strength.\n\n....what you're describing in its current iteration is a [DAO](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decentralized_autonomous_organization). The voting procedures & process for a proposal in a DAO would be handled by the voting system programmed into the smart contracts.", "DAO's are cool and all, and maybe there is some future crossover where the labour movement uses that tech, but right now they aren't want I'm about at all. \n\nThere are already very well established and known procedures for radical democratic processes, democratic confederalism, libertarian municipalism and anarcho-syndicalism to name a few. All variations on the same idea of decentralised, bottom up, federated democracy. Like I said earlier people actually use this in Rojava and the Zapatista held territories today!\n\n\nBut yeah in short, I'm not just shouting about utopian pipe dreams without offering tangible strategies and tactics; there are real world modern and historical movements that have used these methods and been successful! I just want to figure out a way to get the word out ya know!", "Be what?", "I think you're being too hard on yourself. Your videos are definitely science education. My bio professor actually linked them as study material. Which was really cool to see. \n\nI don't think it's reasonable for anyone to expect a 15min YT video to be a substitute for a full course. Doesn't mean it's not educational.\n\nMy only real complaint with the channel personally is that I feel your titles/thumbnails can border on clickbait at times. That's a problem with every big YouTuber though.", "Being stateless (for example under a benevolent AI) would mean that the direction of society isn't dictated by a handful of fallible humans. However this hinges on ensuring that every citizen is educated well enough so that he/she realizes that they live in probably the best version of human civilization.", "Wow this is really fun getting downvoted for not sucking toes.\n\n1. You missed the point entirely? Research takes time and verifying with good! evidence takes more. Influencers can flood a platform with content in the time it would take someone to verify through good sources and experts. I outlined this and I am sorry that you willingly completely missed the mark.\n\n2. Not all evidence is equal, take for example the bought off research for cigarettes and climate change. But that is an entirely different subject that YOU are bringing in that I never made. \"So therefore everything is wrong and impossible to trust anything?\" Reducing what I said to absurdity and acting as if I said it the entire time is the lowest form dishonesty. Go attack that strawman and I hope you have fun doing it!\n\n3. Because they took money from an organization and repeated what that organization holds true. That's all that is needed to be called a mouthpiece. To throw your question salad back at you, what is stopping Kurz from accepting money from a propaganda entity and spreading factually ambiguous information to poison their viewers?\n\n4. Never said they were wrong in the BMGF video, funny how you ASSUME. That's all you have done is assume and straw man me. When I mentioned overcoming the fanatics, the sycophants, the zealots, I meant people like you who lie about what others say.\n\n>It's wrong to just assume things are either fiction or fact just based on your subjective view of trust.\n\nOh man if only you would follow this nugget in your attack against me for not blindly trusting your beloved youtube influencer.", ">I fundamentally disagree with this conclusion\n\nI seem to remember in 2019 Kurz was soft balled for not checking info correctly. You can disagree all you want but that happened and very few people challenged them.\n\n>This to me is the starting of something akin to \"paranoia\".\n\nAnd you are wrong.\n\n>The fact you seem so distraught they have a big following and others might not see the same way you do.\n\nAt what point am I in this imaginary state of distress?", "> I seem to remember in 2019 Kurz was soft balled for not checking info correctly. You can disagree all you want but that happened and very few people challenged them.\n\nThey did a video addressing that, what kind of \"challenge\" are you honestly expecting? Even in proper scientific circles there are papers that come out with mistakes or omissions. Some get swept aside for further review, some are contested and corrected, others are ignored. You seem to hold this youtube channel to a degree that's not seen anywhere else in society and I still don't understand your obsession with that. I'll stick with unhealthy paranoia.", "Ok, you're thinking way in advance, haha.\n\nI do agree that a benevolent dictator is probably the best form of leadership. We don't have an infallible method for selecting someone who is benevolent, though.", "IMO the only way for a radical change to work is if it receives widespread support, so a video that changes the minds of some people but alienates many others would not work. Most people are knee-jerk against any kind of radical change, so in my opinion, introducing it so drastically would ultimately backfire. An approach to bring to light the facts of our society today, that those with radical policies are coming from but the general public is unaware of, will better communicate the necessity of radical or systemic change and help bring radical solutions to the table.", "Just FYI, that phrase has existed for aeons before Sturgill Simpson wrote a song with it.", "The same kind of challenge to integrity everyone else who is not popular would receive. Kurz is not a scientific circle, it's a youtube influencer and science entertainment channel, don't pretend they're something they are not.\n\n>You seem to hold this youtube channel to a degree that's not seen anywhere else in society\n\nYou're wrong and that's okay but bud we have to talk about something;\n\n>and I still don't understand your obsession with that. I'll stick with unhealthy paranoia.\n\nCare to explain why you're trying so hard to discredit and attack my character? My arguments should be all that's on trial but you are trying every underhanded tactic to slander me. Is it difficult for you to have a conversation?" ]	125	videos	...And We'll Do it Again
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rb1lmi/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rb1lmi/deleted_by_user/	[ "Two has-been losers still trying \"too hard\" to relive their past glory. Pathetic!", "This crackhead has zero credibility IMO", "Lmao what they're just taking, you fucking strange weirdo. 😂", "Lol, came here to say that!" ]	4	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz5i6s6IsnM	/r/videos/comments/rb263g/whatever_you_do_dont_google_your_symptoms/	[ "My husband did. He's concluded I have microcephaly. He couldn't understand it when i broke out in hysterical laughter and told him i didn't.", "Does he not know humans can get rabies? I would have written it off as a joke if it weren’t said by the “straight man” character whose whole schtick is to point out how stupid the other guy is. \n\n“The first person to ever get rabies” bruh??", "Rabies doesn't exist in Australia, so it's understandable they don't know what it is", "My stepfather had to be hospitalized because something was wrong with his brain. His very \"helpful\" sister called us from a thousand miles away and informed us with great confidence that he had [Zika](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zika_fever), a rare virus that is often asymptomatic in adults but can cause birth defects. She had her daughter google it because she's too inept with computers.\n\nTurns out he had [hepatic encephalopathy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hepatic_encephalopathy). I've been a medical technologist for seven years and his ammonia level was twice as high as the highest ammonia I've ever measured, and yet he was still conscious enough to complain incessantly about being hospitalized and fight with nurses and phlebotomists.\n\nMy stepfather has continued to baffle the medical community by remaining alive and not disabled to this day despite breaking his back in a car accident that shouldn't have been survivable and various other mishaps." ]	4	videos	Whatever you do, don't google your symptoms.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rb2ojj/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rb2ojj/deleted_by_user/	[ "Fear of MSG (aka \"Chinese Restaurant Syndrome) is nothing more than racism.", "Somebody give this person the wokiee of the week trophy for making something stupid all about racism, again.\n\nWell done! Clap clap clap", "There's a documentary called \"The Search for General Tso\" which is pretty insightful as well if you want to learn more.", "If you’re not able to understand his point, why not ask a question instead of acting like a 3rd grader?", "Did you just assume someone's gender?", "What", "Msg fear is not racism. Fear of ve-Tsin was, but it was a very short-lived hype 40 years ago, and only in some places of the US&UK. People didn't even know it was about in everything back then. These days hypochondriacs just fear any approved food additive. Heck, they even fear gluten even though they are perfectly tolerant of gluten. \n\nTo scream racism with every irrational fear is just silly and virtue signalling at this point in time. Hence, my cynic reply.", "Here’s a link that you might find interesting \n\nhttps://www.jandonline.org/article/S2212-2672(21)00068-X/fulltext", "like I said, the papers that truly describe the issue are from '68-80's from then on its not mentioned until 2020...", "Specifically mentions a term that connected the idea of MSG and racism that was an official term recognized by Merriam Webster until 2018.", "This doesn't address the fact the phenomena is mostly described in 1968, then a metareview is written over the period 68-80 and then it's just crickets.\n\nMSG is something people fear nowadays because it sounds artificial and it's a common food additive for unhealthy, processed foods so that people automatically assume it's bad for you. Ve-Tsin is even lesser known and most won't even know the two are the same. Heck, even in Asia they think MSG gives you headaches nowadays.", "It’s not a problem that is localized to those years, I’m not sure how you’re coming to those conclusions. \n\n[Here’s a link that breaks it down a bit more simply. ](https://www.knowmsg.com/chinese-restaurant-syndrome/)\n\nThe term “Chinese Restaurant Syndrome” was widely used into 2020.", "Because it all originates to one article in 68? Which, yes, was written on a bias against Chinese restaurants. But the modern fear of MSG has little to do with Chinese restaurants.", "That’s fair, do you have a link to that ‘68 article?", "its reference is in your paper.", "The Chinese restaurant syndrome story is how I first heard about MSG being unhealthy back in 2010." ]	16	videos	[deleted by user]
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rb2wz5/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rb2wz5/deleted_by_user/	[ "Lol those people are crazy that's not how my mass goes.", "that's not a church, it's a cult", "Thank you for this. I know this group doesn’t speak for all Christians/Catholics. But it is just surreal to see this.", "Agreed.", "I don't go there but that's not the church congregation. Cornerstone rented their space to an outside group to hold some kind of convention. js\nEdited: typo", "That's a political cult and they should pay taxes.", "What's the problem, OP, you don't like Brandon?", "I see the word cult used often in reference to this church or that. How do you define the difference between a cult and a church? As a non believer, I'd see all churches as cult, some just more pernicious than others." ]	9	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/LhqVQphKE9Y	/r/videos/comments/rb32gm/wood_carving_a_working_car_engine/	[ "Crazy amount of work, awesome to see", "Engine + transmission + rear differential, whoa", "More like a reverse car engine, the motor is driving the engine instead of the other way around.", "https://imgur.com/gallery/Cv8p0I3", "gives \"combustible engine\" a new meaning!", "Nice" ]	6	videos	Wood Carving - A Working Car Engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjmBdrTHFaM	/r/videos/comments/rb38fd/my_friend_is_making_an_animated_short_film_using/	[ "Looks stunning.\n\nUnreal is such an awesome tool for stuff like this. Unbelievable really.", "This is awesome! Keep em comin!", "This is rad.", "WOW that hand animation is TOP NOTCH!!! Keep up the great work!", "> I wish to paint a picture.\n\n> Of a cold, dark, and very gentle place.\n\n> One day, it will make someone a goodly home.\n\n> That's why I must see flame.", "Awesome. What resources did you used to learn all this?", "Getting Major Dark Souls and Bloodborne vibes from this", "This is great !" ]	9	videos	My friend is making an animated short film using Unreal Engine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-10XIYeFr8o	/r/videos/comments/rb3clz/a_brief_look_at_a_life_without_smartphones_20/	[ "That number is still burned into my mind", "Sean Gunn", "A bit chubby", "Where's the one without the blurring?", ".99 cents a question... jeez...", "They used to sell ringtones for 99 cents too.", "The pre unlimited text and data days were something. I remember dating this girl and intentionally not responding to text messages because I knew they were $0.15 each and I would have a crazy phone bill in no time.", "Oh, I remember. I had just never heard of this service", "Yeah, I remember my parents being furious that I texted a hundred times. \"Why don't you just call them?\"", "I just put 99 cents on the line and I can confirm that the number is no longer in service :(", "You must work at Verizon.", "I'm proud to say that I asked that service a question that it could not answer. \n\nFirst I thought I'd be smart-ass and ask what the meaning of life was. The response was something along the lines of:\n\n\"there is no explicit meaning of life but that is not to say life does not have meaning\"\n\nSo then I asked it a much more specific question:\n\n\"What was the name of the hotel that Arnold Schwarzenegger rides the horse through in the movie True Lies?\" \n\nThe response was something like: \n\n\"believe it or not there are some questions we cannot answer, please accept our apologies.\"\n\nI was so proud of myself for asking an unanswerable question.", "That was my dream, did you get your money back?", "yep sure did, lol", "And if you simply google your question now, the answer is immediately found -- the Westin Bonaventure Hotel (although it was branded as a Marriott in the movie).", "I remember using chacha which was free but iirc sent an advertisement along with the answer", "Wow, not even a full cent then. That's pretty cheap.", "That's like $1.29 in today's money.", "Funny enough, text messages were actually free when they first implemented the concept, mainly because the phone companies weren't sure how to charge for them. Teens in the early 90s realized they could get away with nothing for a phone bill if they just got good at texting. Once people realized how much money there was to be made, we got hit with those ridiculous charges. Then pushback against that led to the standard plans we have today.", "It always bugged me that they were literally called KGB. I never trusted that service.", "here's the scene for those interested:\n\n[part one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OufV6E5vJ7I)\n\n\n\n[part two](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-GlKQ_tP18)" ]	21	videos	A brief look at a life without smartphones 20 years ago
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rb41b1/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rb41b1/deleted_by_user/	[ "Ah, beat me to it! Melodysheep is easily one of the most mind-bogglingly awesome channels on YouTube. Everything from the visuals to the music is handcrafted by one person to an incredible degree of quality. All of Melodysheep's videos have such an incredibly powerful effect that's hard to describe.\n\nA Journey to the End of Time for instance, is utterly spectacular and will change your perspective about the nature of our short human existence. I'd highly recommend everyone gives this channel a shot, it'll blow your mind!", "I think I’ve watched the time lapse of the universe like 15 times now, but that video, idk. It felt like your usual discovery channel sci fi guess work always relying on the same concepts. I looooove Melodysheep but that one kinda missed the mark for me, visuals apart. It look awesome as usual", "Actually insane how one person has the talent and imagination to create something like this, of course with some help & research, but he's the main one orchestrating it all together into such a mind-boggling experience with his music/visuals/etc.", "Amazing content that's almost not fit for YouTube. This goes above and beyond what even Premium puts out.", "Even someone with all the degrees in the world on genetics wouldn't be fully aware of how it all works. It's not the craziest theory(though I'm not saying I believe it). There is simply too much unknown to humans, anything is possible." ]	5	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/kHbgrSSvIlQ	/r/videos/comments/rb60wx/the_animaniacs_poke_fun_at_the_big_bang_theory/	[ "I thought you meant the actual theory. Imagine my surprise.", "I didn't realize they were still making episodes", "Oof, the animaniacs woke up and chose murder", "[Ya got picked up by Hulu last year](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animaniacs_\$2020_TV_series\$)", "No shit. I loved that show when I was little", "The Big bang theory’s laugh track is always putting in overtime.", "Bazinga.\n\nFr though, BBT is all about making the average American feel smug over the stereotypically awkward nerds which are the last bastions of job security in a post-automation world. \n\nYou should treat it like reality tv sitcoms, just in a different package.", "‘Poke fun’? More like brutally massacre.", "The first few seasons of TBBT are pretty enjoyable if you don't take it too seriously. I had good times watching it while baked or doing something else at the same time.", "I used to watch it when it first came out cuz I’m a fuckin nerd and I ended up getting my mom addicted to it. I stopped watching but she still loves to", "Every single day and we love them for it.", "BBT is a god awful show tho", "Glad they brought it back", "Yup", "You mean the live audience? It wasn't a laugh track show.", "Same. I'm watching it now!", "Are you serious? That must have been grueling.", "Yeah it's amazing it didn't get canceled much earlier. Oh wait, it had an audience base big enough that the principal actors were making a million dollars per episode.", "I agree", "Yeah but Redditors have much more refined taste obviously...and it's unfathomable that someone could ever like something we don't.", "Oh my God, it's a revived cartoon that doesn't look like computer animated garbage.", "🤣🤣🤣😊", "WB animation has found a really appealing 2d digital look. It resembles hand drawn ankmation really well. Another good one to check out is their new Looney Tunes Cartoons, the color is really impressive", "A lot of times these shows are a little of both. They use a live audience but will \"sweeten\" the sound with a track. For the most part, you can't get away with only using a track these days, it's too obvious to the ears", "Yeah. Straight up R.I.P. in Peace.", "The new Duck Tales went a similar route. I was pleasantly surprised by it.", "Do they also have an episode where they shoot fish in a barrel?", "I disagree, i for one think it's hilarious when sheldon talks about nerd stuff.\n\nUBUNTU IS HIS FAVOURITE LINUX DISTRIBUTION!! HAHAHA", "To be honest the quality is pretty consistent, if you like the first season chances are you like the rest. Its my favourite show to watch baked, while I clean the house because there's at least a few funny moments in every episode.", "That doesn’t mean that laughs weren’t added post production, due to the fact that it was not a funny show.", "Sorry to be that guy, but it's still hand drawn animation.", "Do teachers really work 12 to 14 hours a day?", "Yes", "That's the way I felt about it too. However over time I've changed my opinion of the show. It's a soft way of introducing 'nerd culture' to those who for the most part have neglected it. \n\nI was able to get my folks into watching the marvel stuff as a result of it which has lead to them picking up star wars and a few other IPs. That show has really helped change part of the relationship that I have with my parents. Now when I go visit they always want to talk about Loki, or the new Hawkeye, and it's awesome. \n\nMy boss has a better understand of his employees as well. It's generally been a positive experience with other boomers as well. I've got a friend who went to some anime convention and his boss was like \"Oh like Comic-Con? Cool, I'll rework the schedule!\" Where as before it was always a chore to try and explain what going to a \"con\" was. \n\nI'm sure it helped many nerds who dealt with pressures from their non-nerd parents to be something else, as it showed them that yes being a nerd is fine, and leads to a happy successful life.", "Pandering to the lowest common denominator always helps", "Oh no, please do be that guy, I had no idea. But it's done digitally, right? It looks too clean to be paper", "No", "And McDonald's sells 500 million Big Macs every day.\n\nDon't confuse popularity with quality.", "bazinga !", "Didn't get it till I watched it a second time and heard \"Bazinga\"", "A cutaway, yes.", "Same experience here. As a teenager in the 90s my parents and older relatives did not understand Dungeons and Dragons - among many other nerdy activities I participated in. They thought it was weird. Attempts to explain its appeal were met with blank stares and responses of \"sounds strange, there's no winner?\"\n\nI was told last weekend by my 70 year old aunt that she watched an episode of Big Bang Theory and finally understood Dungeons and Dragons. It wasn't until she saw characters in a sitcom she enjoyed play the game that it 'clicked'.\n\nThank you Big Bang Theory, for making the things I enjoy accessible and understandable to a whole generation of people", "Rest In Peace… in peace?", "Yea, the quarter pounder is a lot better.", "laugh track", "Lol what? Most teachers I had showed up at least an hour or two before us, and stayed an hour or two later. Going over class plans before and grading after. Whatever they didn't get done on school grounds got taken home, where they still had to work to grade papers and what not. They absolutely work those hours during the school year.", "No lies told...", "Yeah like one of those automatic ATM machines.", "Not cool. You're insulting God awful shows by comparing them to BBT.", "The R.I.P.I.P.", "BBT aside, most sitcoms in the past 20 years have been beating a path to the bottom as far as humor goes. American style humor has always been laughing at people who are perceived as less fortunate than the viewer, or who are a lower class/standard than the viewer. Even when the viewer is obviously not in the same class, like Fresh Prince, the viewer scoffs at Uncle Phil's inability to understand the real world.\n\nMostly you can be an idiot and enjoy American style humor, in some cases it's a necessity.", "I miss the fake truffle burgers", "Ripperoni in pepperoni.", "It is digitally drawn, yes, but on tablets with styluses. I think the main difference (and I could be wrong about this, too) is that a lot of modern cartoons draw the basic character and then rig it like a digital puppet, so instead of doing a new drawing for when the character raises their arms they just drag the arm joint around. Animaniacs appears to be drawn the whole way through, rather than puppeteered.\n\nI still think the characters look flat or out-of-sync with the envrionments at times, but I will gladly take a step in this direction if it means we can finally escape the everything-looks-the-same hell the 2010s were stuck in.", "I'll take just about any 3D cartoon today to 'Reboot'. You want to see computer animated garbage?", "I prefer McDoubles.", "It's the worst thing humanity has ever created.", "Yes, although it will vary slightly by grade level, school quality, subject, and time of year.", "Your school had much more dedicated teachers than either of mine. I mean, if that was the way most of the teachers at your school worked. My schools had a handful of dedicated teachers who would stay after the day was done just in case anybody needed extra help, but it was far from being a significant number of them.", "SHELDON", "You're the Teller in this situation", "I have a playlist that just cycles episode-by-episode through Seinfeld, Big Bang Theory, and Friends.", "Was watching some of the new Road Runner shorts. Some of them had me straight up belly laughing, haven't done that in a long time. The one with the huge shop vac and cacti, and the perfectly cut scream.", "I can't agree. I did rather enjoy the first few seasons, but I think it was about season 4 or 5 where I started wishing the show would just end. I stopped watching it, but they really did drag it on much longer than they should have.", "🤣🤣", "Well damn", "Whatever privileged school you came from should have taught you math because that’s still not 12-14 hours, my guy", "I love that one", "[no laugh track](https://youtu.be/jKS3MGriZcs)", "\"ayyy bazinga\" absolutely killed me", "I remember enjoying it when I was in high school, 8 years ago. I wonder how I would find it now that my sense of humor has matured, but also having finished a degree in physics and currently doing another.", "I quite like how you’re being downvoted for having a different opinion. \n\nIs TBBT S Tier comedy gold? Nope, no one is saying that. It’s a typical American low brow sitcom, not meant to be taken seriously, or as gospel, yet Reddit needs to massage it’s fragile ego by jacking off its superiority complex over a fucking TV show. \n\nBoggles my mind the hatred it gets. People like different things, get over it.", "What am I Telling?", "I loved Reboot as a kid, really it was such a fun show. I went back a few years ago and watched an episode or two and everything looks like sculpted cheese. Show's still neat, but I'll leave it to nostalgia", "Not sure if you think BBT is an overall good representation of American comedy, or if you're trying to be edgy. Sure there is a lot of shit, but in the last 20 years we have had shows like Arrested Development, Bojack Horseman, What We do in the Shadows (creators are New Zealanders, but it's a US show), Righteous Gemstones, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Atlanta, Dave, Always Sunny, Community, VEEP, 30 Rock just to name a few", "Jesus lol as somebody thats never seen an episode of the big bang theory a lot of people seem to have some pretty passionate hatred of it", "This really pales in comparison to the old animation", "Nah, I don't remember how much I watched, but I remember the first season being fine.", "It's basically \"Nerd Culture Training Wheels\", which is why nerds get soooo pissed off about the show, and the average viewer enjoys it.\n\nThe nerds watching it will cry about it because they don't need training wheels, and entirely misunderstand that this show isn't targeted at them.", "A whole generation of people whose opinions are based entirely on what they see on TV.", "you obviously haven't met me", "It's like anything on reddit. It seems the loud minority really just absolutely hates the popular thing at the time, or they really love (\"thing/person is a treasure\") it. There is no real middle ground.", "Fucking got ‘em", "and the rest?", "I think that title belongs to 2 broke girls.", "I genuinely enjoyed seasons 1, 2, and 3. After that I just couldn’t stand it", "The Holocaust.", "BUZINGA", "It's not the same show unfortunately...", "I watched a few episodes and feel like they made it kid friendly but still relevant for people that were kids when it originally aired\n\nninja edit: More likely.. I just missed the references back then", "Thanks for talking about America running out of imagination, Animaniacs reboot.", "Obligatory: https://youtu.be/jKS3MGriZcs", "New Animaniacs is absolute gold. I never knew it could be as good or even better than the original. Well done.", "OK, not gonna lie, that was very creepy...", "Agreed. The hate the show gets is insane. The first couple seasons were enjoyable, does kinda turn to shit after that, but all things considered there are way worse shows people watch on the daily.", "You should see their new contracts!", "Haven't watched the new episodes, but I was sad to see no one other than Pinky and the Brain showed up from the old show.", "God has nothing to do with that abomination.", "TIL they’re still making the Animaniacs", "I guess they lost the art of subtlety? Might as well just shout \"BBT sucks ass!\" into the screen.", "Is it Rugrats and CatDog!?", "Rest in Pepperoni in Peace", "And I guess yours didn't do a great job teaching you reading comprehension.\n\nThe rest of the hours are right here:\n\n> Whatever they didn't get done on school grounds got taken home, where they still had to work to grade papers and what not.", "They all showed up at the same time in one episode. It was kinda forced but it was nice to see them all again.", "This is a nightmare.", "If only all of that science of yours could figure out a way to test whether you like watching it or not.", "No respectable nerd would pick Ubuntu as their favorite distro.", "That reminds me of [Friends, but ricky gervais is the audience](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLzGaYwBiI0)", "There's some irony in claiming BBT is hacky, as if targeting such low-hanging fruit with such obvious, stale jokes is not similarly hacky.", "Reboot may have been first but Beast Wars is where the gold was at.", "The comedy must get lost in translation. \n\nNo.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAHAHAHAAHA", "It depends. Core hours are 8ish to 3ish.\n\nIn Australia and the UK 8-4 at the school is pretty much standard, 8-5 not uncommon. However then you have marking, after school clubs, school theatre productions, CPD, parent-teacher nights, and all those sorts of things. In many other professional jobs you could expect either time-off-in-lieu or overtime for those extra hours, but not teaching.\n\nHowever what really governs it is whether you've taught the class before, whether the curriculum's changed, whether it's an important course (i.e 16+ preparing for uni) or not, whether it's a final exam or mostly coursework. An experienced teacher with familiar classes can actually work 8-3 most days, a new teacher can easily spend 14 hours every day just keeping their head above water. \n\nAnd of course teenagers are batshit insane so there's a good chance you'll be there til 9pm because Stacey tried to kill herself, John was handing out knives in the playground, Adam's cousin turned up on meth and did doughnuts in the carpark, and the someone set fire to the toilets (again)", "But it's honest", "I really liked S1, but only having Pinky and the Brain got a little boring. Looking forward to watching S2 over christmas break.\n\nIt's still a fun show.", "Rest in Pepperoni Reese’s Pieces in Peace", "Other than pondering the possibilities, I can’t think of anything I can do with my free time that would resolve the question of whether I would enjoy watching something. It will have to remain an unanswerable question, as I am sadly limited by the technology of my time.", "New Animaniacs sucks. Trying way, way too hard.", "#[BaZiNgA!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3hT8kS0hts)", "Wow, I’ve loved Animaniacs since I can remember. A new reason..", "Ok yeah I hate the big bang but that was really forced and not very funny.", "Haven't seen any of it but if it's all like that, huge pass from me.", "Self awareness goes a long way when you’re intentionally being stale in order to break the 4th wall. That and the fact that Animaniacs taught you more valuable, thought out information in a couple of simple, but catchy songs involving geography. Whereas I’m not sure what genuinely informative stuff you could glean off of BBT. That and the main audience of one is children, with enough intelligence and wit to engage more mature audiences, and the other is meant for adults as a smart ‘nerdy’ comedy about people with phds and shit. Animaniacs deserves a bit of credit where it’s due.", "Doesn't make it better imo", "It's not hard to believe that the people who wanted to see the show live actually liked it and laughed", "Seems like Big Mac is good for the value", "Almost all of those are unknown to average American viewers and a few are only recognized by certain individuals, tbh. \n\nYou could sit anyone from my family down and none of them would recognize *any* of the shows that you listed. Big Bang Theory, though? Yeah, they've seen it.\n\nBBT has brand recognition with almost everyone. It's on par with Cheers or MASH where recognition is concerned.", "Well you don’t seem to know what you’re talking about. Watch Community, Parks and Recreation, 30 Rock, The Office..", "To be fair, they acknowledge that and make more than a few gags about it.", " People just seem to be over the studio audience format when it comes to sitcoms. Some cant even seem to grasp the fact that some shows are still taped in front of a live audience. \n \n Big Bang theory I loved watching for the first 6 seasons or so, but it just started turning into what most sitcoms had been during that time. Dorky/Nerdy guys get girls way out of their league, say or do something dumb, the women get mad at them, and they come to some compromise by the end of the episode.\n \nI happen to catch an episode every once in a while, and it still gives me a laugh or two, mainly because of the casts chemistry rather than the writing.", "Now we have a generation of people whose opinions are based entirely on who they listen to on the internet. I’m not sure things are better.", "Yes, and they don't get paid nearly enough for it.", "Try to keep a positive outlook, however tough the odds seem. Maybe we'll develop cloning technology within your lifetime, we could make one of your clones test this hypothesis. An alternative is AI, if we could create one to simulate your subjective experience.\n\nBeyond that, I don't know either. These chances are slim, but I try to remain positive.", "> More likely.. I just missed the references back then\n\nhaving binged the old show a while ago: probably this. The show was soooo full of adult humor that just flew over kids heads", "Big Bang Theory is a Boomer executive’s idea of what Millenial nerd culture is like.", "I liked it back then, but some aspects haven’t exactly aged well, or maybe it’s because I’m a parent now. I’m thinking specifically about how all the main characters are kinda mean turds to everyone. I think this probably applies to all the old Loony Toons too.\n\nI think they even acknowledged that Pinky and Brain’s relationship is super abusive, but they didn’t even really do anything with that.", "this makes the show better, in a creepy and weird way", "Huh.\n\nI made the same joke [six years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/36iz07/mexican_justice_league/creeveu/).", "They really have continued their turn to cynical commentary on the human condition cleverly masked as children's show.\n\nAnd I love it.", "Animaniacs is one of those rare shows that got resurrected and picked right back up where they left off.", "Oh Reddit’s gonna love this", "Yes but they still add in or remove laughs in post. As some jokes may either not get enough of a laugh or the laugh goes too long into the next bit of dialogue.", "I didn't know the second new season was out now. Thanks for posting this.", "The good ones who actually care do. \n\nMy sister is a teacher and she is usually at school 10ish hours a day, grading stuff and lesson plans at home. She’s also active with student council and has kids over some times. On top of that she teaches girl’s softball. So she puts in crazy hours and works a ton. But she truly loves her job, so she doesn’t mind it.", "But were most of the jokes really written for kids? I watched animaniacs when I was like 3-6 years old and looking back, most of the writing was way over my or any kid's head with lots of creative wordplay and pop culture references. What makes the show fun for kids is the wacky physical comedy mostly, the writing feels like it was made for adults.", "Yes, lets talk about this, and not when they revived the Looney Tunes as having super powers in the 2000's. Dark times, those were.", "Shit went from 0 to 100 to 1000 in the span of like 5 seconds. Glad this show is as savage as ever", "That's not poking fun, that's shots fired", "What they gonna do, write an unfunny response😅😅", " Oh pop", "I agree. BBT is very formulaic by design but Animaniacs is like listening to a 14 year old who thinks they're a genius because they know how to use a thesaurus.", "I really like Arch but use Debian when it’s a server rather than dev environment. Regrettably, we’ve used Ubuntu a lot at work because it’s just easy. RHEL and CentOS can go fuck themselves. And then there’s [this](http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html).", "I adored beast wars, it made every other transformers show seem less cool by comparison", "Its calming light watching. People work all day and want to just veg out in front of nothing alot of the time.", "That's why those shows were popular, actually. Go watch 90s Nickelodeon cartoons and you'll find that the dialogue, particularly of older characters, would say things that sound somewhat innocent unless you know what they're referencing. That sort of comedy has always been there you're just more perceptive of it now.", "Oh God...wtf is that?!", "Nah, u/RunawayMeatstick is worse", "This is what open source gets you. Hanna Montana Linux.", "So it's like the bumblebee man from the Simpsons?", "They preach as they exist in a rebooted series.", "I think the new Looney tunes looks awful compared to the original. It's the colors and lack of depth. Animaniacs looks better.", "I was hoping for something clever too. Left disappointed.", "Big Bang Theory has no self awareness and tries to both be a \"Hilarious\" sitcom using stereotypical nerd tropes from the 80s, while also trying to claim it's actively pushing the envelope of TV... Which it doesn't. Personally speaking Big Bang Theory represents every single negative stereotype of nerd culture written by people who don't understand the harm stereotypes can play out in the real world, nor how to actually *do* a good sitcom. \n\nAnimaniacs, in comparison, is self aware. The video here alone shows that. Whether or not you find the content funny I guess isn't relevant, but playing up how hard teachers have to work, only to segue into an example of a bad but socially acceptable teacher behavior is well delivered. Which is a lot more than most topics of Big Bang Theory acts where most of the time it's just people being mean spirited in breaks between humor that's written to fool the technophobic and stereotypical jocks from 90s movies into laughing at scientific concepts that nobody on set even slightly understands.\n\nNeither of these shows really break the mold, which is arguably the point, but one revels in the fact that it's a continuation of a long dead franchise reborn to keep the copyright holders happy, and the other is something anyone could shit out without any effort while trying to pass itself off as the brand new kid on the park using stereotypes that go back to Revenge of the Nerds.", "The internet told them to hate it… along with Nickelback and Guy Fieri.", "On the contrary…. this clip shows that they aren’t trying at all.", "The 3D animated ones weren't that good. They really abused the coyote and broke some of the 10 road runner rules.", "> Go watch 90s Nickelodeon cartoons and you'll find that the dialogue, particularly of older characters\n\nNa just go full ren and stimpy", "They have a song!", "Um that's definitely not open source, Hanna Montana is Disney property, the big cheese is comin for em", "The show is so toxic. Sexism played for laughs, and normalized by making them goofy nerds. They're mean to one another, creepy, and I hate that it's so popular", "Oh I know it, I've researched tons of shows from childhood. Even Disney movies have those sort of things, but it's one thing to have a few of those and another to be chock full of those references constantly.", "This was terrible, honestly. They didn't parody it or anything. They just referenced it and claimed it's hacky. The original Animaniacs would have done a parody and not hit you over the head with it.", "What I always think of when someone talks about adult references in kids shows: https://youtu.be/lY2kC5fZG64", "u/squarecymbals, \"The Big Bang Theory\" should be capitalised [insert studio laughter]. No seriously, I'm not making a joke or teasing or anything like that [studio laughs]. What the fuck? [studio laughs]", "No I agree with that sentiment, but I think it was written to appeal to kids, without sacrificing quality of content. What I like about it, is that it’s clearly written by adults with a good sense of humor and subtlety, that combined those elements with a show that genuinely attempts to be informative and fun for kids, and smart enough to appeal to all ages.", "Iit: people that think the animaniacs were subtle because they used to not get the joke.", "People are the fish, town's the barrel", "Well they aren’t wrong", "I coworker told me I might like Big Bang Theory because they found out I was into computers and video games. I watched one episode where they made some big long joke about Schrödinger's cat but either completely misunderstood the premise of Schrödinger's cat or just didn't care enough to make the joke consistent with the actual thought experiment. Either way it was the first and last episode I ever watched. What did it get? 10 seasons and a spin off? WTF is wrong with us? Also [This](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3-hOigoxHs)", "This is after my kid years, and it's... a decent gag I guess ?\n\nI'm trying to find a better example from my youth... and from almost an hour looking for it.... It turned out to be the George Carlin stuff my dad showed me.", "sure, there are some good ones, but look at the rest of them. they're shit and you know it.", "So fuckin metal too, that intro song is a banger.", "r/murderedbywords", "Ah yes, how very timely.\n\nTell me, if a horse has rotted into nothingness and the bones are hardly visible, does it still count as beating one?", "And its not shit like Amazon's revival of Rocky and Bullwinkle.", "Wow, the animation is terrible.", "I'm not okay with Dot's new voice.", "If that's what Animaniacs is putting out with their recent reboot, I guess I'm not missing much.", "There is nothing wrong with 3d animation too. Probably one of the single best looking animated shows came out this year with Arcane. Or even a few earlier things like the animated spiderman movie. I think people really don't appreciate it's basically a whole new form of art that requires some trial and error to get right.", "I remember watching an interview with Jim Parsons when the show first came out on a relatively small Canadian \"nerd\" show called Electric Playground.\n\nIt's easy to forget how novel it was at the time for a show to revolve around PhDs that talk about comic books in 2007. At the time I really liked the show for bringing tech-fantasy nerds into the mainstream. It quickly outgrew it's novelty and became something else, but it's cool to remember how it was a bit of a shock to the system when it came out among something like According to Jim.", "Not just opinions but whole personalities. It's disturbing how obsessive people will get over entertainment.", "That show Ida strait garbage tho", "You ever wonder where the expression shooting fish in a barrel came from?\n\nI mean, did someone actually do that? And then was like going 'round town saying, \"Hey, I was shooting those fish in a barrel, and you know what? I hit every one! Easier than you'd have thunk!\"\n\nThen, our boy passes into legend! But the phrase 'shooting fish in a barrel' remains. I wonder what he was using to shoot them? I mean, a shotgun would have destroyed the barrel, and I feel a pistol would have been too fiddly!", "Still [fantastic](https://youtu.be/EtRSal1Zaas)", "Well, the mouse hasn’t touched it for 13 years so I don’t think they’re too worried about it.", "Reminds me of [this video](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Il_asp-0lq4). I often ask myself the same question", "I have a new respect for how long this actors have to hold still between laugh track pauses. Holy fuck that is excruciating.", "Goodnight everybody!", "So I vaguely remember Mythbusters actually tested this, and it's sadly even easier than the saying implies. Turns out if you have an old wooden barrel and stick a bunch of water and fish in it, then you only need to pull the trigger once. The impact pressure from the bullet meeting the water or something like that pretty much kills them all at once. \n\nIf I'm misremembering this episode, someone feel free to correct me.", "This probably explains why it was one of the few shows I remember watching as a kid that my mom was willing to watch with us regularly.", "Because it's a cartoon and not a replacent for parenting the desired behaviors. Not saying that's what you're looking for, but I don't want some sappy feel good cartoon. They are sarcastic and toe a line for sure.", "If that's the quality of the new Animaniacs, I think they might want to look for some non-glass surfaces at which to aim.\n\nWhat, did Aaron Sorkin ghost-write some butthurt there?", "Man that reboot is something I didn't know I needed. \n\nThey - so far - somehow managed to keep the same... I don't know, formula I guess? from before. It's a cartoon that's written like a cartoon, not an animated sitcom, or whatever Family Guy, Archer, or Rick and Morty are supposed to be; I like those too, but they're decidedly \"adults\" toons. This still has that spark of \"made for youngins, but parents need laughs too!\" I don't know, maybe it's 'cause the humor isn't just do/say outrageous shit for outrageous affect. It's just harmless goofy-ass cartoon. \n\nI hate to say this about a reboot; but goddamn is it refreshing.", "I paid for disney + for several months just for ducktales. The new show is so goddamn good, and I almost never watch tv shows", "But who’s shooting at us??", "The mouth animation is awful. Anime has lowered everyone's expectations I guess.", "And a lot of teachers start a salary with $30k. Yeah, with a pay that abysmal (and in some states, unions being illegal), I can start to see why administration low-balls teachers at every chance they get.", "Oh no they something everyone agrees with.", "They still have good idea bad idea I think, they may bring back some others. I saw an episode it was actually pretty good", "Loved this show as a kid.", "There probably isn't anything I wouldn't confess to if you forced me to watch a Big Bang Theory marathon.", "Barrringa!", "Never got the love for Big Bang Theory. Everyone just seems so annoying and stereotypical.", "Lots of audiences are people who went to the lot to see A show taped--not necessarily the one they wanted. \n\n\n\n\nAlso, a producer or sign will encourage the audience for applause/laughs--which are usually tepid, at best.", "Unpopular opinion, I actually like TBBT but I can definitely see how it can get very cringy at times.", "Yeah, honestly, I'm not sure why people act like this is some supreme roast here. I mean we all know BBT is shit, but if you want to actually, you know, make fun of something you have to do more than just stand there and say \"it is shit\". I really didn't get the \"fun\" part in that clip.", "gives me a similar vibe to David Lynch’s [Rabbits](https://youtu.be/66XPYk9bdhc)", "They explained it in Season 2", "LOL, they're so right\n\nBig Bang Theory was truly shit \n\nAnd to be honest, so was Friends - the quality of \"comedy\" is the same as Big Bang Theory : shit.", "It's not great, but it's not that bad. It still has some funny moments. It's just become the meme show that people use to over exaggerate how bad something is.", "Was this show always this cynical?", "yeah this is a fairly common \"meme\" these days. saying things like \"rip in peace\" or \"smh my head\".", "Chuck Lorre is the David Cage of sitcoms.", "[Animaniacs still got that magic](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-dq3fbtShk)\n\nI love the \"How many apples?\" skit at the end of one of the episodes.", "Yes, and it used to be meaner", "Not sure why you are getting down voted. The laugh tracks are studio audience. I think a lot of people don't understand that you used to be able to see these sitcoms... for free... and they fed you. I personally went and saw two live recordings of the BBT. It's a fun night out, and you get food, and you laugh at jokes (it's like going to a comedy club). The tracks are the audience, one of the recordings had a really annoying laugher and I could definitely hear her when the episode aired. That said, they usually take 3-4 takes and change the jokes to get different responses and the audience is incouraged to continue laughing at the same jokes on multiple takes to help drive the actors.\n\nFor those claiming it's not people who want to be there are full of it, you had to book tickets usually 30 days in advance and be there early otherwise you don't get in. You definitely had to want to be there. BBT tickets sold out almost immediately after posting.\n\nEdit: [proof](https://imgur.com/a/L4tuZxX)", "That explains it. At least in this clip, they all sound older with far less energy.", "I'd peddle trash to the teeming masses if I got a good pay cheque out of it. Who cares if I think it's funny or good quality, some people enjoy it and it makes a lot of money.", "When I was teaching, I'd easily get that many hours at school every day, including Saturdays, and most days during the summers as well.", "Penn", "I love Guy and I like BBT and I hated Nickelback from listening to them fyi.", "Station?", "Omfg, the people who love this show are worse than the Rick and Morty fan base.", "who is the target audience for this cartoon?", "I am not gonna click your link, I'm just gonna guess it's the Prince bit?", "You know, I clicked into that fully not knowing what I was expecting. Now that I know, I have so many questions.", "Of course! Totally saw that scene when I was a kid and got whooshed.", "But, but, real physicists and other smart people worked on the show! That makes it good! Right?", "It helps because this is hand drawn animation, with some filtering to make it look like it's a cel instead of just digital flatness with a rig.", "Regarding your edit....ya. [They weren't subtle about them.](https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3u3npb)\n\nIt just kinda flew over our little minds as toilet humor", "Waittttt are there a new animaniacs series?? Bc BBT wasn’t a thing when animaniacs was on TV.", "I never said that kids should be raised by cartoons, but if I’m watching these characters bully people, am I supposed to think it’s funny? That’s what the writers seem to think, and sorry if people on Reddit want to see that too", "No teachers I ever had or know. My high school teachers had 5 hours of class time per day and got all their grading done during prep periods or during class while they assigbed us stuff to do", "It might be the same actor, but it sure as hell ain't the same voice.", "The reason I'm being downvoted is because people on Reddit love to hate the Big bang theory. They don't need a reason, they all just think they are cool for thinking alike. \n\nDuring the years it was on TV it was one of the most popular programs aired, and had some of the highest paid actors. That's all the reason they need to hate it.\n\nPretty sure they've already linked these comments to other subs so they can all gang up on them.", "So… RIPIP in peace?", "You are correct!\n\nThere's all sorts of 2d animation, and you mentioned one of them. \n\nThough I rarely see shows that go fully rigged, as you call it. If you remember stuff like Foster's Home for Imaginary kids or My Little Pony, they feel a bit \"floaty\" and flat for that reason. But they would still have hand animated frames often, because if they turned their heads or changed expressions, you'd still need to draw it. \n\nThat being said, I both agree and disagree with the notion that animation is bland nowadays. \n\nI do notice, even in this Animaniacs scene, things are quite clean. The backgrounds are so uniform, because we can reuse digital bg now. Before, people had to redraw a bg just for a different shot in the same room sometimes. \n\nBut if you look at modern anime, which is what I'm the most interested in, you'll see that 2d animation is far from dead. Every season I see impressive stuff that blows my mind. Notably, one of the last things that awed me was One Punch Man, that animation was slick as hell. Arguably this show could not have been made pre-digital era, since it would've been too labour intensive.", "[Confirmed](https://mythresults.com/episode91)", "Samezies, I thought it would be some critique on an established scientific theory. Something like maybe The Simpsons would do 😄.", "> Big Bang Theory has no self awareness and tries to both be a \"Hilarious\" sitcom using stereotypical nerd tropes from the 80s, while also trying to claim it's actively pushing the envelope of TV... Which it doesn't.\n\nYou take away the laugh track and all the \"hilarity\" disappears in an instant - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ib889nSZVU", "8-4 is the standard in the UK?\n\nRE your time in lieu point, it is worth recognising that in the UK at least teachers get the equivalent of about 3 months more holiday than a \"normal\" job (I say normal to mean 9-5, 5 days a week).", "They also get free periods to do that, and class plans generally don't need changing much year to year.\n\nOften teachers don't even have to write them as they're done centrally in the school.\n\nThey absolutely have work to do outside of class, I 100% agree. But give the full picture.", "Yea, it's on Hulu.", "Animaniacs is made for kids...", "Haha, look mom I’m bathing in blood", "I fucking hate Chuck Lorre and everything he touches.\n\nYou want to watch a bunch of nerds do some real shit and actually laugh, watch Silicon Valley.", "Oh really? I’m a professional game dev working on Ubuntu right now! I am so nerdy I make Richard Stallman look like Benedict Cumberbatch! Fight me, brah!", "As per the 1st episode, season 1. Children and parents reliving their youth.", "something something “nerd blackface”", "Everything is creepy when you have long pauses between conversation. What I haven’t seen is an edit that cuts out the pauses to prove that the show doesn’t work when edited like a normal show. Probably because it would actually work.", "Generation? TV has been around for like 80 years. Many generations had only TV (and newspapers) for information. Of course it influenced their views.", "As a nerd, I really enjoy it because it’s actual representation. I used to have conversations like theirs in high school and college. Jokes about Schroedinger and linear accelerators and whatever random science shit. Sure, they added a layer of regular schmoe on top to make it approachable for the layman, but they still discuss actual science and actual technology. How many regular people know about Ubuntu? Comic-Con? The Big Bang? Show me another show on TV that is even close.\n\nWould I rather see a show like The Martian? Sure, but good luck getting viewers.", "No ones saying this \n\nPoop tastes like shit. Just because redditors said it, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.", "Yeah, kids will be there roughly 8.30 - 3.15 (it varies slightly).\n\nAnd the holidays are a huge boon, but even then you've got to plan for the next term and do training so it's cannibalised slightly", "They did that in the very first episode of the reboot, in fact.", "Many respectable people do.", "It didn't take long for someone to say they use arch", "Which they are very, very aware of.", "So that's the thing.\n\nLet's assume a 15 minute mid morning break + 1 hour lunch, but they do lunch duty for half of it. Some schools do more or less breaks I'm sure, but that feels like a reasonable average.\n\nThere's also after-school clubs, and parents evenings. Let's say that is the average of half an hour a day overtime. A normal club will only be 1 hour of time, so that accrues any extra 1.5 hours every week for detentions (1 a week, tops), parents evenings (5 years, one per term, 15 in a year).\n\nThat gives us a working day equivalent to 8:30-3:45 with a 45 minute lunch. Or 6.5 hours a day, for a 32.5 hour week.\n\nI know, they have marking. But they have free periods during school hours, and can do it during detentions. Yes I know parents evenings last a long time, but they have huge chunks of free time in it (as they don't use every slot).\n\nYes I know they have lessons to plan, but these are generally done centrally within the school now.\n\nYes I know they have CPD, but they have inset days for it, which is more than other professions get.\n\nWith all that in mind, they work about 8 months of the year, for 93% of a full time job (full time defined as the lowest possible, 35 hours a week).\n\nOf course, they get occasional busy times, and have to put in more hours until they get good at planning. But so does literally every other career. Engineers have project deadlines, builders have to work around the big picture, accountants have year end etc.\n\nBut they're paid up to £35k a year (ie once they've got some donner xperience and proven they're good), have a pension that on a DC scheme would be comparable to 20% contributions, and only work for 70% (93% X 75% due to school holidays) of a normal working year.\n\nThat's the equivalent to 50k a year.\n\nAnd they can easily pick up some work in the holidays marking papers if they want. Very accessible, and very easy (time wise, as it's holidays) to do.\n\nI say this having lived with a teacher, and knowing teachers.\n\nNow if they want to climb the ladder a little, they can be earning 50k salary by the time they're 30. I literally know people who earn this, at that age, outside of cities in the north.\n\nI get kids are annoying, I could never teach for that reason.\n\nBut honestly, it's really not that bad when you take a step back and actually look at the numbers.\n\nSure, some teachers work longer. But give me 1 job where it isn't common place for areas of that career to work overtime. Tradies do it all the time picking up weekend work and doing admin. It's literally a running joke in finance that big 4 expects 65+ hour weeks and compensate you with a pizza party. Engineers work overtime because of how timesheets end up working, due to the little things that happen here and there that you can't really book.\n\nBut just like _some_ people in those careers and work overtime for free, only _some_ teachers work overtime compared to the 93% weeks I mentioned earlier. I literally had a teacher at my old high school tell me that they end up doing now hung in their free periods work wise because they have done all their work. Which comes down to time management.\n\nThe holidays are a huge boon, but they don't get cannibalised as much as you'd think. And even if they do a little, you still get a solid pay (with gauranteed progression for competence might I add), when it's actually pro rata'd.", "Don’t like the fact that they parody a nun (catholic schools) here. Nuns have Phd degrees and would never put on a movie to teach a lesson. More so we should parody public schools in the USA. Just saying.", "And just because Redditors say it doesn't mean it is true.\n\nYou know what evidence does help though? The viewing figures and the longevity of the show. \n\nThere's large portions of the Reddit community who condescendingly look down on anything they don't like and seem incapable of acknowledging others might like something they don't - and - that they may even be in the minority.", "My mom just retired from a major tech company and she loved the show because of how often the people on the show reminded her of her co-workers.\n\nBasically we all know people that are like those characters. I feel that the nerds that get pissed off for some reason take the show as a personal attack. And if that's the case, that sounds like a \"you\" (those who get angry about the show) problem.", "It's time for another \"Good Idea, Bad Idea.\"", "Realizing the demographic of the show was old people. Reddit is right. \n\nOld idiots who were born in a time of limited knowledge, like the show because it’s trash, and they like trash. \n\nReddit has nothing to do with this, you’re the one trying to pigeonhole Reddit into this as if they have anything to down with it.", "Yeah, cause you totally were watching and logging all of your teachers work hours.\n\nMaybe, just maybe, you might not have seen everything that went on in your teacher's work lives?", "I'm also a bit puzzled by the comments in here. This is a very on-the-nose bit and it honestly seems more than a little mean-spirited.", "Case in point.\n\nThanks.", "Same. I used to watch it as a kid.", "Right, it seems you can’t argue the facts of the situation, and need to blame a website.\n\nYour desire to downvote, as if it does anything more than make you feel like you have some sort of control over this, is sad. \n\nTry and remember, that every opinion that’s different than yours, isnt a personal attack you have to fight.", "You could probably have saved yourself a bit of time there and googled the statistics on hours worked showing the average to be 50 hours p/w in the UK and 53 in Aus for teachers.", "A shame that nobody ever seems to remember Mainframe's other Sci-Fi cartoon, Shadow Raiders/War Planets.", "Genuinely asking what is wrong with RHEL? friend works as a sysadmin and all I hear how it's used the most, amazing etc.z", "Right, but them choosing to work overtime because they want to put more into their job is NOT the same as the time they need to out in to be their job to a professional level.\n\nAnd that's the point.\n\nJust because someone chooses to martyr themselves, it doesn't say anything about the demands of the job.\n\nI've literally lived with a teacher who openly says that it's the kind of job you can out 70+ hours a week into because there's always more to do, but it doesn't mean there's always stuff that is particularly beneficial or needed.", "I entirely forgot about that video", "That's true of all sitcoms and anything built around a set element. You can do the exact same thing with Friends and you can do the exact same thing to any show that revolves around music to set tone. \n\nMy issue is that Big Bang Theory is just lazy. I would have less an of an issue if it didn't feel like a relic.", "it's a bit unfair, because the removal of the laugh track introduces long awkward pauses\n\nbut more importantly, you just implied that BBT with a laugh track is funny, you monster", "School is basically that now.\n\nMy kid's science class just started a unit on aerodynamics. Right off the bat they're covering history of flight and they barely touched on Bernoulli's effect or even any concepts of air pressure.\n\nTeacher showed a video instead of doing anything like blowing across a paper to show effects of moving air and static vs dynamic pressure.\n\nScience class fucking sucks. It's just talking about what other people have said about science and regurgitating it for a test. \n\nThere is no reward for playing with the effects being talked about just for the sake of curiosity and no opportunity to test statements being made because all that happens in class is rote ingestion of what other people have said.\n\nWe have lost the plot when it comes to studying science in school and as a result also removed opportunities to practice critical thinking.\n\nWe'll pay homage to those who directly played with things and read about how once a few of us directly played with things and gave us new explanations of how those things behaved.", "You think the majority of teachers are martyring themselves and/or being inefficient with their time, and that really they could fit it into school hours, but Big 4 consultants and engineers are just responding to the pressures of the job?", "Wile E. Coyote finally ate that goddamn roadrunner?", "To me the first few seasons were laughing with nerds, after that it became laughing because of nerds.", "Beastars looks mindblowingly good. Almost every single character looks entirely different, they couldn't use the typical anime clone-face. It took me more than one episode to figure out it's entirely 3d", "I think teaching is like care work, nursing, and counselling.\n\nIt's a thing people do because they want to be involved in it, rather than for the pay.\n\nI think engineers see it as part of the job, and it's a norm to do a few years in big 4 and then jump ship as it adds a lot of value to your CV.\n\nTo out it more succintly, how often do you hear teachers saying that it's a rewarding job? And that's part of why they went into it?\n\nAnd how often do you hear an auditor, or tax consultant or financial reporting accountant say the same thing?\n\nChoosing to out more time into it because it's rewarding is martyring yourself a bit if you try and pretend it's essential.", "I didnt know they had phds. Are they from those religious collages where the answers to everything is \"god did it\"?", "BBT is a show about smart people for dumb people. \n \nNot my quote, can’t remember where I saw it. Love it. Also, followed by “Community is a show about dumb people for smart people.”", "It is a show filmed in front of live audience where actors have to wait for the audience to stop laughing before moving on to the next dialogue. Yes removing the audience parts would make it looks bad.", "Funny enough among shows ended in 2019, TBBT the show reddit hate, had better ending than the favorites GoT.", "Fun fact, Stephen Hawking loved the shows.", "My favorite is still Stew from Rugrats, when the mom asks why he's making food in the middle of the night for Angelica: \"Because I've lost all control of my life.\"", "Not only are they shooting fish in a barrel, they take time to dryly explain the joke after the punchline.\n\nIf you have to explain the joke, there is no joke.", "I agree, even though I am primarily interested in 2D animation, the strides 3D animation have made is simply amazing.\n\nIf you look at some cell-shaded games like Naruto or Demon Slayer, if you pause at a random frame you almost wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a frame of the show or from the game.", "I really hate how people use the show as a guide to autism.", "oh, the TV show, not the scientific theory.", "https://youtu.be/Ljt5iESYA7k?t=7", "> A whole generation of people whose opinions are based entirely on what they see on TV.\n\nAs opposed to the Twitch Streamers and Instagram Models they should be listening to instead?", "I hope so, this is getting good lmao", "I hope so, I need entertainment lmao", "https://youtu.be/z5eLn1QMJS0", "Fuck 2D animation has suffered", "joke.\n\n[https://www.joincake.com/blog/rip-in-peace/](https://www.joincake.com/blog/rip-in-peace/)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nSimilar: \n\nI still think it funny when I see people in trade chat say \"pst me\".", "It's not as good as the original and one of the reasons is the lack of side characters. It's just the Animaniacs and Pinky & The Brain. There are so many other side characters they just decided not to bring back that I don't understand. One of the things that made the original show so good was the variety and the different stories. Every episode being the same is just dragging it down.", "I am so glad to read there are others who thin BBT is not funny", "It wouldn't be reddit it there weren't nerds circlejerking about how much they hate a harmless TV show. Pat yourselves on the back, guys and girls.", "I was originally of this opinion and would occasionally watch it. However the show really has a sexism problem, and once you realize it is hard to go back. Really bad shit is just played off as a laugh. Example Sheldon is sexist to a female student and gets sent to female administrator who rightfully talks him down. His response is to say she is on her period, bazigna, laugh track end of arc.", "Tough but fair.", "It's complete shit.", "I mean isn't that what the Animaniacs always did?", "They're actually both made by the same company, Warner Bros", "I feel the hate the show gets is deserved. Nobody really talks about the show unless it gets brought back up by threads like this. It's racist, sexist, uses every stereotype of nerds in the book to try its hardest to get a laugh and it did nothing with its characters and the setting. The first 2 seasons were alright. Nothing special but decently funny. It devolves hard later from S3 and up", "Hey thanks man!", "Is it? I mean everybody watched it (including me) when the first five seasons aired. Seemed like it back then so I guess they did something right?\n\nI think the last episode I saw was when Sheldon sat on a train and went somewhere moaping. I don't remember what season that was or why he went away but I never saw anything after.", "BBT was fine...for about 5 seasons...", "We can go a step further and only look at the transcripts of the dialog. Literally thing that comes close to a joke is the last sentence.", "The new Mickey Mouse show is also pretty decent in that regards", "The hate for TBBT on reddit and in this is so cringey. \n\nYou most likely arent the target audience for the show. They didn't make it to appeal to people like the \"nerdy\" people in the show. it's meant to appeal to people who have nerdy friends or relatives. People like the character Penny. It's an exaggeration of nerdy behavior because that is how some people see nerdy people. I like marvel movies and have correct people when they are wrong...my sister compared me to Sheldon because of this.", "I mean, it's a hacky, mediocre sitcom. It's kinda crap but I don't understand how you could passionately hate it. Where do you find the mental energy to care about it that much?", "That's not how it works. These shows are filmed over a long day and the audience has to watch multiple takes of each scene. Basically they take the best reaction and splice it with the best take. \n\nIt doesn't matter how good a scene is when the audience has seen it like 10 times already.", "That's what shotgun fishing is. Just shoot the water near a bunch of fish and the Shockwave will kill them", "Is that like Beasties? Loved that show back in the day. \n\nWaspinator, terrorize!!!", "Sounds like you just have bad taste", "If a joke is “BBT = bad” that’s enough around these parts.", "When it came out my art teacher knew I liked science and wanted to go to college for it, etc. She asked if I watch this new show called The Big Bang Theory about awkward science nerds. She said her son, who works for NASA, likes the show. I said it sounds terrible.\n\nI've always been a \"hate my own kind\" type of person. I don't wanna watch a show about awkward nerds with no social skills and be reminded about how much I suck at that also. If anything it's a good show to show nerdy teens how Not to act.", "I love Community, but saying it’s “for smart people” is ridiculous. It’s hardly high brow humor.", "Addressing a problem is not the same as fixing a problem", "Is that really the cleverest joke they had to criticize BBT? This feels like a lazy Family Guy gag. \n\nNot defending BBT here, but this feels like a joke written solely to pander to Reddit. And I guess it worked.", "You ever notice the same people who claim TBBT is lowbrow, unimaginative humor are the same ones who upvote a comment that says \"Bazooper\"?", "I have a newfound disrespect for the entire process as well as the results.", "Found the virgin", "The expression is actually \"shooting Fish in a barrel.\" A man named Fish was found dead, shot multiple times while wearing a barrel, fashionably. It's suspected it was super easy because wearing a barrel, fashionably, would limit Fish's ability to hide or even run. So it's really about murder.", "I don't think there's anything as sublimely bait for reddit than a rehashed, rebooted cartoon show for kids that predominantly covers surface level pop culture topics mouth breathing into the audience that culture is dead.\n\nAt least they know their audience.", "And there's already two seasons of it if anyone needs something light and self-referential to binge. They didn't bring back Slappy Squirrel or Rita & Runt but Pinky and the Brain are also in attendance.", "Sure, I mean, I took it as a true-ish exaggeration. It might not be for SMART people, per se, but it is definitely a huge leap from the kind of humor that needs to tell you when to laugh at mostly-effortless jokes that include a few science-y sounding words to label it “smart.” \n \nCome to think of it, I found that line I wrote on Reddit, so make of that what you will. \n \nI will say, though, that the comment might refer to a comparison between Community and most other things offered as humor. Which is in itself sad, in my opinion. Even spam seems delicious when compared to eating shit. That doesn’t make it a gourmet dish, though. Other than that I’d say the better seasons of the show are really well written. \n \nAlso, I’d defend the idea that Community is at least somewhat smart because of Abed. I don’t think there’s ever been a similar character in any show, and it’s role and purpose just seem brilliant to me.", "Feels weird to see the animation being so lifeless vs the original. I'm really not a fan of Toonboom", "\"Really well\"", "Didn't say I liked the show. I don't really but that doesn't mean it's bad. It's just not for me. It being one of the most popular sitcoms ever seems to indicate a lot of people think it's good.", "This was done using ToonBoom. It's a combination of hand drawn and what's called puppet animation.", "The new one has even more moments like this. I was watching the second season this morning and at one point I remember a \"playing with myself\" moment followed by a \"Good night everybody.\"", "I agree with you. We are in an age where everyone is ok with very basic animation.", "Same. Slappy was always my favorite.", "Knowing the kind of people who work at the studio this was made at, experienced show runner these are not", "I can hear that grating voice in my nightmares", "\"Apparantly this is a show where four nerds explain the big bang theory\"\n\nBig bang ain't the butt of the joke", "You know what else is bleeding dry the American imagination? Lazy companies raiding their past catalogues and reviving past series with shittier writing/animation all in the name of easy revenue.", "Are you referring to these?\n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aqTCtNiYa0&ab_channel=AkshayanAlfred", "The sad part about it was the jokes were like \"yeah I know the minor characters in LOTR\" or \"yes I know this physics equation and I can use it to do x.\" They aren't smart jokes they are just stupid jokes that mention nerdy shit.", "No, that's more 3D than the ones I was watching.", "I feel like \"solving American Media's fixation on low-risk ventures\" is a lot to ask of a parody cartoon.", "which ones were you referring to then?", "BBT for all the hate was still not as bad as everyone want to claim it is to look cool, never got the hate, like jesus, if you want to talk about bad comedies there were plenty others, BBT also was not good, but it was just not as bad.", "Relevant videos [one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3-hOigoxHs) and [two](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L7NRONADJ4)", "And I love it", "Oh, I'm aware, I'm an animator myself. \n\nBut I don't think it's apt to say they use puppet. In that way, all animations have some sort of rigging and tweening. Most of the time it's pretty much FBF animation.", "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ign5QkFVNkk", "Crazy, I legit havent watched it since I was a little kid.", "but they are not funny jokes, they put laughtrack after every sentence even then it makes no sense.", "I mean, like it's my favorite right now too (it changes, used to be debian, and before that it was SUSE, and shit before that it was \"Look I can just compile my own kernal and have it be exactly what I want\"), it's super easy to use, I don't have to hunt down (or god fucking forbid script and compile) drivers, install is arguably easier the windows at this point, and it looks pretty.\n\nLike, just because it's well known doesn't mean it's bad, and while I'm sure that there are better distros out there that do all these things better, I frankly can't be arsed to bother looking.", ">They're mean to one another\n\nWell if you don't like that i should advice you not to watch another show called South Park!", "Okay, i get theres a good debate around ubuntu and it's place in the linux nerd culture. \n\nBut my comment wasn't around the nature of the joke. My comment was pointing out stupidness of [the actual joke.](https://youtu.be/G3vKceIMtP0?t=11)\n\nNo setup, no punch, no way to explain the joke to 80% of the audience watching. The laugh track plays over sheldon using ubuntu with no other context.", "\"I wouldn't want to be a part of any club that would have me as a member\"\n\nTry to be kind to yourself internet friend. I know the feeling well.", "One of the nerdier places to work, an independent ISP. 100% Ubuntu for office desktops. . .", "Pretty funny but they made it a little too obvious what show they were talking about. Part of what makes good satire (and a joke in general) is making the audience feel smart for \"getting it\" rather than spelling it out plainly. That's why people hate when you explain a joke.", "I may have been the only one interested in Loonatics, but I didn't have WB kids or whatever so I still have never seen it.", "Well I was like that in hs. I wouldn't mind being my own friend. We would have a blast.", "Oh yeah, I have never watched more than 3-5 minutes of that show. Mostly just to see if there was something I was missing that made it funny.\n\nThere wasn't.", "Glad someone else noticed that. It's like they think their viewers are too stupid to get it.", "Meh BBT is still better than the office , stupid shows stay on air all the time", "That's a good point, I have never seen that scene and I feel you. I've also never watched the show beyond a few clips on reddit . . .\n\nShit, I would say that same thing to 1997 Red Hat, one of the very early 2.0.? releases. I have that built up in my head to be the ultimate operating system ever.", "The people who like the Big Bang Theory so much that they see it live do think that it's funny. It's not like the actors are just casually standing still when no-one is laughing. Of course, they edit the laughs before the air it on TV, so it sounds like what people expect.", "https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/462/312/b23.png", "I like the show, and most of my nerdy-geek friends like it too.\n\nThe hate is just on reddit really. Same shit happens to films like Avatar (james cameron) and Titanic, all extremely well-received but its so edgy and popular to hate on them here.", "The actors absolutely stand there for a laugh break, even if there is only a few weak snickers from the live crowd. They add the uproarious stuff in post—bc it’s objectively not funny.", "Meanwhile, Sarah \"I've never done anything with my life except be in the Young Nats\" Mitchell:\n\n\"How dare these layabouts go on strike.\"", "I don't really care about the nerd caricatures except with how they're used to deliver the show's massive amounts of sexism, homophobia, etc. Sorry, \"ironic\" sexim, homophobia, etc. For a show that's less than 2 decades old it sure has aged like...what's a good analogy here...oh yes: An egg salad sandwich on a warm Texas day.", "not that i doubt you, but what states made teachers unions illegal. just need a list of states to avoid. (probably states already on my list.)", "This reads like an intro to a Seinfeld episode", "Ya I have friends who work on the show, we were in class together in Sheridan (terrible school btw) and these kids are given full scenes just weeks after graduating. Production is so crazy high right now there never has been a better time to become an animator as you probably known.", "Are you recently graduated from there?\n\nI am a bit out of the industry because of lack of job opportunities and interest. I think it's a bit harder in Europe too. \n\nAre there a lot of opportunities in the US?", "Maybe that was their inspiration when they wrote this for Holly in Back 4 Blood.", "Disagree. I actually find BBT quite funny. It reminds me of conversations I had in high school when I was one of the nerdiest kids in school.", "I agree. It’s a lot like Silicon Valley. Tons of recognizable situations and discussions, though the actual plot and characters are mere caricatures of real events. Most of the stuff they say in SV is inane, and their decisions are dumb af, but it’s at least based on real stuff.", "In television it's considered the golden age. Never been easier!" ]	394	videos	The Animaniacs poke fun at the big bang theory
https://youtu.be/bS9bbQlOph8	/r/videos/comments/rb66ky/i_have_692_berry_containers/	[ "I love Harry.", "I love this guy", "Thanks", "Making people happy out here man. Much love and hope you have a great life 🙏✌", "I love my mother. But what I love more is Harry." ]	6	videos	I have 692 berry containers.
https://youtu.be/4dugIlGJf5o	/r/videos/comments/rb6j8n/this_youtube_channel_just_uploads_videos_of_a/	[ "Such glimpses into unique minds is one of the reasons I love the internet.", "I wonder if this is a documentation of fish he has for sale? Like a video displaying each \"product\" and maybe he has a store somewhere pointing to these links or sends them to clients directly. I just can't think of any reason an individual would have tens of fish pass through his possession every day and meticulously film them from all angles before posting them online.", "Fish seller, showcases fish so they can sell them.", "That’s an adorable fish", "He's not too koi with what he is doing.", "It's linked to their website somewhere.", "I'm hoping these fish come with an instruction manual and a lifetime warranty.", "At least he's not floundering his life goals.", "Craziest video he has is that one dude in a fish costume in the bottom of a well that he feeds using a basket.", "Someone posted a video about the Koi buying process in Japan a few years ago and I’ve watched it about three times. Super interesting and kinda relaxing if you have an hour to spare:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/dyyU3g8t76A", "Twitch has unlisted cockfighting, gambling, and korean lecture streams. Think it's somewhat common to hijack major public free services for random stuff.", "Oh that’s disgusting. Where?", "There are public tools that you can use to browse streams that have no game listed and you can find all of this stuff that way. I really don't want to link here because companies have a habit of just breaking the tools that expose problems with their systems.", "Yeah I was kidding, I don’t want to see that stuff. Very interesting tho thanks.", "Given the lack of detail and repetitious nature, I'm thinking there's a mental illness involved.", "Or he sells fish for a living and makes a short video to show that each fish is healthy. That makes a lot more sense.", "Looks like a seller showcasing his fish which are hand selected and bred through many generations. This is most commonly done with Koi, but there are other markets for fancy goldfish too.\n\nHints why this is: \n\n\\- Fancy bowl, white bowl. Contrasts the fish's color.\n\n\\- The flipping of the fish is an inspection to show it off.\n\n\\- Generic video title is probably the default name for how the original camera saves the file.\n\n\\- Goldfish are usually bred for distinct colors and shapes.", "He might be doing it just for the halibut.", "The video title is an identifier / lot number for the fish. The guy isn't giving them all names.", "> korean lecture streams\n\nwhat are these and why are they banned?", "Just regular classroom feeds that are being streamed on multiple platforms. They aren't explicitly banned but twitch isn't really designed for random Korean classes to be streamed on it's platform so they tend to hide them." ]	21	videos	This YouTube channel just uploads videos of a fish each day. They flip the fish over for a few seconds, put it back and then the video ends. There are thousands of videos and no talking or other information. They've been doing this for over five years.
https://youtu.be/WaeqXWzaizY	/r/videos/comments/rb6xro/over_150_videos_gone_my_response_to_toei/	[ "Holy crap", "In Anime culture, this is considered a dick move.", "Absolutely stupid of a giant company that doesn't want anyone talking about their work. Sounds very counter-intuitive to me.", "This man's works are labors of love. Our copyright system is terribly broken, and broken beyond repair.", "Youtube needs to forget the fucking dislike button crap and actually work to help its creators.", "Where else could we share it ? What subreddit would be a good idea ?", "He even says that they approached him earlier in the year to promote some of their stuff.\n\nThe hypocrisy is so fucking dumb.", "His videos inspired me to start buying the whole One Piece series in manga format. (something which the current manga shortage sadly put on hiatus). \nI solidly believe that TOEI has made more money because of Mark then they apparently \"lost\" because of his use of copyrighted material. Even though it was in the line of fair use. I understand the notion that to keep intellectual properties protected, you need to actively show that you have an interest in keeping them protected, but what Toei keeps doing to YouTube creators is frankly disgusting. \nIn the end, I believe that YouTube is the main problem. It's first of all the system they've put in place. Sadly, there is no direct substitute for Youtube and if you want to be a content creator, you have to put up with this bullshit.", "Yeah everyone has been saysing that for years now and it has only ever gotten worse. People need to abandon that garbage platform and go elsewhere. \n\nYouTube doesn't give a fuck about these issues because they don't have to. Supply and demand dictates everything, so take away the demand.", "Part of it is probably Japan's complete lack of any fair use provisions (at least none that would ever be relevant to something like this) but Japanese companies in particular are also notoriously archaic, and downright hostile when it comes to their IP—just look at how Nintendo or Atlus treat their fanbases. \n \nOf course Youtube isn't exactly blameless here either but at least with them it's a very straightforward case of a system working exactly as intended: To protect Youtube, not creators.", "Is this the guy who does/did the DBZ-abridged videos?", "Not our copyright system, which actually protects him legally. It's the fact that YouTube is tyrannical and doesn't give a fuck about protecting creators. They would rather accept copyright claims at face value then spend the resources investigating them properly.", "many have tried with other sites like odysee and vimeo, the viewers need to go with them when they do", "It sounds strange but Nintendo tried the same thing during the WiiU and pretty much all of YT forgot they existed, causing irreparable damage to their brand. You might think \"What? Everyone knows Mario\" but the 5-11 year-olds then don't, they played Minecraft instead. Nintendo missed them.", "We desperately need a good alterative to Youtube.", "This is why I'm currently putting more videos on Vimeo. More freedom but not as many viewers. Doesn't matter, I'm not monetizing my videos anyway.", "None of this will change unless Youtube begins to lose revenue because of it. Any scumbag corporation is going to try to cheat everyone out of every penny they can. The fact that YouTube is allowing it to happen on their platform makes them the issue.", "DBZ abridged is TeamFourStar... TotallyNotMark does analysis n shit", "Well that sounds just awful. Regardless, on principles alone I'm with the dude.", "Unfortunately, the dislike button was never about the content creators or users of Youtube...", "Although Mark did do a documentary style video for the DBZ abridged guys. One vid is on their channel and another is on Mark's... Although that may not be the case anymore", "Please get this to trending guys!", "One of the most wholesome channels out there too. He doesn’t deserve this", "In MY opinion? This is a tough call.\n\nI mean, who the fuck watches TotallNotMark for Mark? This guy is a Dragonball (turned One Piece) content creator. His brand is built entirely off the backs of Dragonball (and One Piece) (and some other animes, sorta). He is not a self-made man. Without those brands, and the labor of the people who painstakingly created those brands, he would be nothing.\n\nAdditionally, I've seen his content. He did Dragonball and One Piece \"reviews\", but weren't they just summaries? With clips from the official shows? I mean, does \"teaching\" people about the symbolism behind a beam struggle replace the fact that he's literally spoiled the entire Saiyan Saga? Isn't Funimation the one with the rights to deliver that content? They paid heavily for those rights. What right does Mark have to share it, and get paid for it, instead?\n\nYT and infuencer culture is just a big meme that everyone has bought into because it's \"free advertising\". Well, personally, and I expect to be buried for daring to say this - I think we need less influencers and less advertisements. Mark's dedicated ad channel is probably a net positive for Toei, and they're insane for taking it down. But, for me? Well, I might think I miss the reviews and drawings and summaries. But, really, isn't it great that my attention will be grabbed by less stealth advertising? For the average person, isn't this a win?\n\nMark tried his hand at the glitzy influencer lifestyle and he failed. Maybe he should use his talents and move towards the creator side of things. Make your own IP, then make your own videos about it instead. Dragonball is an established IP you had no part in creating. Take the cash you got out of the experience, chalk that up as a win, and move on imo.", "Creators getting screwed over. Sadly it’s business as usual.\n\nEdit: downvoted? Weird.", "YouTube has been told about actual issues with their platform for years but look at how hard and fast they pushed the dislike change. They seemingly don't give any fucks about their user base at all since they have no where else to go. Every single change they make is to assist the advertisers game and that's final.", "Horrible, however creators need to learn that when they're hanging their hat on YouTube, they're likely to get burned. When you're a creator, you're joining a workforce with no contracts or guarantees. To me, YouTube is probably skirting labor laws and not treated as an employer.", "The guys videos are a half hour of copyrighted content with him talking over it.", "Youtube is like facebook. Too big to fail.", "This is a god damn travesty. Totally Not Mark slid into my subscriptions this year because I can listen to his shows while I drive without necessarily needing to see everything visually. \n\n\n\nToei Animation is wrong here, and YouTube is too corporate to give a shit. I really really wish we had real alternatives to YouTube, because it bothers me so much when my favorite YouTubers get their livelihood taken away like this in an instant. Even if he can make new videos and continue on, he's right, the DBZ content is what brought people to his channel. \n\n\nThis is the equivalent of being fired from your job. Totally Not Mark and his whole company just got fired today, and so imagine the impact that's having on them. I'll never understand shit like this.", "Why are you people always asking for a YT alternative? What magic sauce do you think some other company is gonna drop that will magically make all these thousands of corporations demand less content-id, more complex takedown steps, etc.? You realize Google has to bend over backwards since the whole concept of the site operates on thin ice as it is, right? They're trying to keep the site going without getting sued out the ass, and any comparable video site would need to do the same.\n\nI remember when Twitch finally got big enough to have to remove music from the VODs. People were like \"what\" and I'm sitting here thinking \"no shit\".", "If that is the case, it sounds likely that these 150 videos were auto flagged.", "Wow, why don't you take your negativity and wrong opinion, shine it up, [turn that sumbitch sideways and stick it straight up your candy ass!?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjB0nQT3PJQ)", "That's what's missing here. We're getting only one side of the story AND it's in TOEI's best interest to have content continually made so something is not being shared here.", "not really. I watch his videos for him. His thoughts, analysis and interpretation of the stories he reads/watches. Its also great free advertising as he got tons of people into One Piece and back into Dragon Ball, i'm an example of that.\n\nHe puts tons of work into each his videos, same as his editor and will now both lose out on massive revenue because of this.\n\nIf Mark's videos were just clips of Dragon Ball and One Piece i would get you but he literally talks over and reviews them thoroughly with his own thoughts and unique personality", "> He is not a self-made man.\n\nDiogenes would say who gives a fuck? Critics are essential.", "I realize there was a lot, so I'll level. Just point out one wrong statement, and I'll toss the whole thing.", "You sound like someone forced you to wacth his videos clockwork orange style. If you don't like it, just don't watch?", "no, they are labors of love with his thoughts and deep analysis of each series he talks about and also work as free advertising. You dont watch a show off just clips in the background being talked over now do you?", "Sounds like it's time for a replacement for youtube :)", "So this guy made some money \"reviewing\" the creative works of others, and is now shouting into the void in the hopes that the anonymous mob will help him get what he called a career back? He didn't build the youtube platform, and he didn't draw the characters his videos are about. His problem was in banking his future on a career in which he has no skill to leverage whatsoever.", "If the analysis is the draw then he could just release them without the half hour of copyrighted content.", "the clips show his point and help the viewers appreciate the art of the manga and the work the creator put in", "This is just the definition of STUPID. In a few years when they are replaced (I.E. Free Market) bootube can look back at this video and understand, it was well within their power to stop the creative braindrain that is already happening from this buffoonery.", "And using that much of it is questionable at best. And if his deep analysis can't stand on its own without a half hour of copyrighted content then it isn't that good.", "Apparently, they have been claiming his videos for years and this was a mass takedown. He said 50 hours worth of video went down in 3 hours.", "nah, his videos were labors of love and free advertising, the main draw of his videos were his unique analysis and opinions and taking away 3 years worth of work from him for no reason is purely idiotic", "So you're saying that being a critic is not a real job and people who do it should stop??", "Your entire 3rd full paragraph. If talking about a product you enjoy or giving your thoughts on it is \"stealth advertising\", I guess we should just shut down Steam reviews, have established critics be the only ones that can put out pieces, and even shut down all subreddits related to that content.", ">He puts tons of work into\n\nOkay, but that's not the issue, right? I could put in a ton of work and make my own Elder Scrolls video game. If you don't know, Elder Scrolls is, like, insanely popular. They've re-released the last one for over a decade now. It's sold millions and millions. \n\nWell, I could make my own. The game has lore - I could just pick a new region. Elder Scrolls: Black Marsh. I could make it super high quality. I'd hire people, and we'd do a really bang-up job. And we'd have it - our own original Elder Scrolls game.\n\nBut that doesn't matter! It doesn't matter how much effort I put in, I'm literally not allowed to use the Elder Scrolls IP. And there's a good reason for that - I didn't build the IP. The IP is powerful. The IP has value. My game would certainly sell more as an Elder Scrolls game than as some generic, unbranded fantasy RPG. That's why Bethesda gets to decide who has access to it.\n\nMark is piggybacking off of the Dragonball, One Piece, and other anime IPs in a way that every copyright lawyer would agree was dubious at best. Does he have a case that his work could be transformative? Sure, but that just means they need to decide the facts in court. You can say you watch him for his videos, but you wouldn't even know who he was without Dragonball. That's the sad truth of the matter.", "it does stand on its own and his editor puts a lot of work into creating the visual look of each review which helps complete each video and removing them because of that is dumb.\n\nNo one watches shows off just the clips that are being talked over", ">it does stand on its own\n\nApparently not.", "thats a hotly debated issue especially considering how nintendo treats fangames that people put a lot of effort into and there are plenty of movie critics like siskel and ebert who got famous on TV just by reviewing films that they did not work on and they never got any shit for it!", "it does though. Most of what he talks about needs the context that just watching the clips in the background wouldn't provide", ">hotly debated issue... nintendo treats fangames\n\nUh by salty Nintendo fans, not within the law\n\n>there are plenty of movie critics\n\nAs I said before, Mark does significantly more than reviews, but he can argue his case in court. Being denied a courtdate for 30 years is bullshit, though.", "Well fuck that! Give this guy his videos back.\n\nFuck Youtube.", "Your point doesn't make sense since steam reviews aren't stealth advertisements. I also never said stealth advertising was illegal, just that we could use less of it.\n\nNo toss yet, but we might be getting close to one.", "they removed videos of him drawing ffs", "Being a critic isn't a defense against facts and reality. I can review a movie, but I can't include a full 4K copy of the movie in my review. Similarly, I can't include a full 4K copy of the movie, minus 1 minute. Similarly, I can't include a full 4K copy of the movie, minus 2 minutes.\n\nMark has incredibly intricate One Piece and Dragonball \"reviews\" that use clips from both the animes and mangas, reviews that total into several hours each. IMO it's not clear cut, he needs to defend his case in court. To that end, he shouldn't need to wait 30 years to do so.", "Targeted YT boycott. Some YT content is precious and valuable, but why keep using YT as a streaming music service? Correct me if I've missed something but what do they offer but a clumsy algorithm and frustrating experience in music streaming. \nI believe a music exodus from YT might be a substantial hit to their arrogance.", "\nHuge problems here. I have experienced similar problems with bad copyright claims and DMCA notices. First you think that using Youtube, Instagram, or Facebook is the best way to run your business. It is not. I assure you that if you think you're going to make a career out of using their services you are mistaken. Any online service you build should be as independent from Big Tech as possible. Second, to really overcome this he should sue them for damages. But you want to get ahold of their legal department before you do. I know a lot of companies hire these crappy 3rd parties to find copyright violators and send DMCA notices. For example these clowns... https://www.dmcatakedownczar.com/\n\nUsually for Google the DMCA notices get sent as part of Lumen Database. In the notice you can see who actually sent it and it's usually NOT the copyright owner but an agency instead. You can attempt to contact them and sort it out. Explain your relationship and product but you may end up needing to do it with Toei instead. \n\nGood luck and seriously, don't run a business from someone else's business. Build you own site/service. Upload across multiple platforms.", "I've seen those, he claims they never used the actual clips, but he literally did side-by-side comparisons, as well as showed examples of DB art throughout the manga and anime's history. So, I don't know what he's talking about.\n\nIMO those are fair use, but MO doesn't matter. Even if I think some of his videos are fair use, and some aren't, it would be up to a court to decide.", "Terrible bait, be more creative", "i really dont think just images counts as stopping people from watching a show", "Good fucking luck. Youtube is, functionally, the _best_ possible system, the way copyright law in the states and most other major countries work.", "One that isn't subject to the DMCA?\n\nThe DMCA's safe harbor provisions are some of the best arguments for why the current IP system is simply untenable in the internet age... but for now, every hosting site is de facto forced to do everything possible to stay in that safe harbor. If they didn't, there would literally not be enough money in the world to cover the cost of all the lawsuits.", "I don’t understand what fair use is”", "The same thing is going to happen to any replacement service that gets anywhere close to Youtube's popularity. They have to do this because if they don't the companies will just sue the service into the ground instead.", "He should have been more creative and not relied on using so much copyrighted content to sell his videos.", "You ask who watches TotallyNotMark for Mark? I do, I like the way he decomposes stories and actually gets into some of the nuts and bolts that I may have missed. I loved when he pointed out how the music tempo evolves and changes over the course of the King Piccolo saga. Yes, it's noticeable, however it's fun to hear it played. There's a lot to his videos if you'd watch them with more of an open perspective on what fandom is.\n\n\nI had just done my rewatch of Dragonball a month or two before his Dragonball series came out, and so I really enjoyed listening to what he had to say on it, as to be honest with you, I live in an incredibly rural area, so the amount of people who I could talk to about Dragonball is about zero. In fact, I ran into exactly one person about one month ago when I was refueling at the gas station. I have a Majin Buu hanging in my car's window, and the Pepsi guy struck up a conversation with me over it. I asked him about Totally Not Mark, and he was a big fan. We talked for 10 minutes easily, and would have for more if we had not prior obligations. \n\n\nMark puts into words some of my thoughts about the direction of the Dragon Ball series that honestly I probably couldn't. I watched Super back in the spring and just could not put my finger on what was wrong with the series. Watching his Dragon ball and Dragon Ball Z review series shined a big, bright light on the flaws of Super. Given that Marks' content is a lot more compact than the series themselves, it's easy to digest.\n\n\nI actually credit TotallyNotMark's channel for rekindling my interest in Dragonball Z entirely. This year alone I've watched Dragon Ball, Dragon Ball Super, ALL of Team Four Star's content, all of Totally Not Mark's dragon ball related content, and I've begun a rewatch of Dragon Ball Z. Prior to this, I can honestly say the last time I consumed any dragon ball content would have been circa 2008/9 or so when I bought DBZ season 1 on dvd on a whim. \n\n\nSo anyways, you're flat wrong. I've watched other YouTube shows about anime in the past, and not a one of them had ever rekindled my interest in a series to this extent.", "Your analogy is just...trash. \n\nBecause there are a _shitload_ of Elder scrolls channels that do insanely well on youtube, without issue.", "Possibly not, there have been multiple examples of this lately of Youtubers getting copy striked into oblivion on no sound legal basis. The process that's being talked about here is as bad as he's making it out to be.", "This actually sucks, I hope mark is able to get his videos reinstated. There needs to be a system in place to heavily monetarily damage claimants who are making gratuitous false copyright claims - it is actually insane claimants can just wreck a person's livelihood and have little to no repercussion", ">So this guy made some money \"reviewing\" the creative works of others\n\nThis is absolutely legal and the copyright laws back him up on this", "That's not how it works. The actual DMCA law protects Youtube from suit as long as it follows the guidelines. Those include following takedown notifications but also respecting counter-claims. If you watch his video he speaks on the process and what's bad is that Youtube takes a very long time, allows only one counter-claim at a time, and can strike you for having multiple claims against you. \n\nYoutube doesn't need to do that by law. Google Search allows you to submit multiple URLs for counter-claims. They usually reinstate within 2-3 weeks (almost reasonable) sometimes faster. \n\nYoutube has chosen to side with Copyright owners instead of their content providers. They have an endless supply of content providers. They are not valued.", "One of the tests of fair use is the amount of the content is used.", "My analogy was great; it takes more than saying it wasn't. It needs to be true, too - otherwise, it adds nothing.\n\n>there are a shitload of Elder scrolls channels that do insanely well on youtube\n\nI already have a response to that:\n\n>YT and infuencer culture is just a big meme that everyone has bought into because it's \"free advertising\".", "Then his career would not be in jeopardy. It would seem by his own admission his entire career is based not on his analysis but on the use of copyrighted content.", "which he talks over and shows off the creator's art and hard work and describes how they did it to viewers and recommend it to them like he did in his second jojos part 3 video. He introduced many people to one piece and made many people go back to dragon ball", "Okay, thank you for telling me what I just said back to me.", "If you're gonna make a channel like his then why not contact the company first and create a type of partnership?", "okay", "I'm a self published author who used to advertise my books on facebook, making a few sales here and there from it. It was only for my first year as a writer that I used their service, though, because I was told I \"violate facebook policy\" with my ads and the first communication was \"final with no opportunity to contest\". \n\nLiterally killed my dream of being a full time author for the last few years. I felt like I was doing ok steadily releasing shitty novels that no one was reading except a handful of people who saw the ads on fb. \n\nI guess I'd still like to be able to go after that dream, but it no longer seems realistic and these days I wouldn't know where to start. \n\nJust wanted to provide that example in this same vein. I always wonder if my books would've been more widely read had I been able to continue ads w/ fb.", "Another day, another channel destroyed by youtube legitimately not needing to care about their user base or creator base at all.\n\nThat's the thing. Youtube exists _at the mercy_ of major corporate entities that own the content creators like this guy use to make their videos. \n\nAnd, functionally, it's such a large company that a guy with less than a million subs is _literally_ not worth their time or energy to protect. There are multi-million subscriber channels that have a hard time hearing word one from a YT rep when they're targeted. \n\nThat's the problem here. No one's going to stop using _youtube_ over this. This guy isn't leaving the platform over it. His 600k fan base or whatever isn't leaving the platform over it. \n\nAnd even if they did, mathematically, _youtube wouldn't notice that shift_ . More than two _billion_ people use youtube. \n\nThe only way to _maybe_ get change in the system is if through concerted effort _hundreds of millions_ of users quit using the website for a significant period of time.", "which he only shows in the background and is talked over. I wouldnt watch a show just from clips in the background that you cant even hear. You cant watch his reviews anyway without already being a fan of said series since you need the context that those clips dont provide.\n\nHe introduced many people to one piece and got many back into dragon ball and it also works as free advertising and is transformative.\n\nIts not fair to take away 3 years of hard work he spent on each video writing tirelessly on the nuts and bolts of story writing and enlightening many on how the series accomplished this and that", "YouTube is part of the biggest company of them all. They just don't give a shit/or have the time to care about the little guys. \n\nLike this video shows, if TOEI had a problem with Colbert's use of their content, Google would laugh in their face and slap them away, basically tell them to send their lawyers and good luck.\n\nA guy with only 600k~ subs? Eh, not worth their time, shrug and move along.", "For someone starting out? Well, I guarantee you'd either get no response or a \"no\" response.", "This bait wasn’t any better", "We kinda welcome that strick IP protection tho. It's a large reason tons of manga creators and bands can make a living without having to sell millions of copies of their work.\n\nThere is a vibrant physical media industry here and we may go a bit overboard to protect things but it has helped original creators in the long run\n\nAnd a reason my brother can work for a company that sells only 20k a volume and can still employ multiple people", "Could you define what stealth advertising is?", "nothing is too big to fail", "Well, Youtube is literally Google, so same.", "I really don't think it's YouTube but the law that is the issue. [Tom Scott did a good video on it if you have the time ](https://youtu.be/1Jwo5qc78QU)", ">a method of advertising in which the consumer is often not consciously aware that she is being subjected to advertising", "You are going out of your way to avoid the actual point. If the draw of his videos is his analysis then he will be fine without using so much copyrighted content. But apparently without it his career is over.", "You're comparing making a _video game_ instead of _a video series_ . They are _very_ different things. Both in practice and in law. \n\nThere is zero legal protection for making a \"fan game\". There _is_ legal protection for fair use of media for video and print content.", "it really shouldnt take a court for just images", "Then maybe he should get a laywer instead of trying to stir an anonymous mob of people into a fervor on his behalf.", "Because this is easier and usually just as effective", "Easier said than done. Even if someone rolled out a platform that offers everything Youtube does for free and offered better protection for its creators, viewers will only watch stuff on a Youtube replacement if it actually has content that they're interested in—and what big content creator is going to switch to a site that doesn't have any viewers and hope that they'll follow? Uploading on both sites wouldn't work, because that would give viewers no incentive to not stay on convenient ol' Youtube. You'd basically have to pay creators for exclusivity deals and hope you don't end up like Mixer. \n \nOkay, TikTok worked out because it serviced a niche that Youtube pointedly ignored for a long time, but any more general replacement for Youtube is going to be difficult. \n \n...and that's all before you consider that any Youtube replacement would probably just implement similar systems to cover their ass once they become big enough that manually dealing with DMCA requests becomes unfeasible. So rather than look for a Youtube replacement, maybe we should focus on copyright reform instead.", "no without it his editor would have no job, mark doesnt need it, they're just there to be visually appealing", ">There is zero legal protection for making a \"fan game\". There is legal protection for fair use of media for video and print content.\n\nOkay, so you've chosen some words, and you strung them together in the correct order. Congratulations, you made a coherent sentence. Two, whatever.\n\nBut you didn't add anything. You didn't make a point.\n\n>There is zero legal protection for making a \"fan game\"\n\nThe purpose of the analogy was not to demonstrate the full extent of the law. The point was to specifically tackle the argument of \"effort\" and how effort is entirely irrelevant to the discussion of IP law. It doesn't matter if I use effort. It doesn't matter if I give my Bart Simpson the right number of hair spikes - I've still infringed on the IP.\n\nMy analogy succeeded spectacularly on this point.\n\n>There is legal protection for fair use of media for video and print content.\n\nNobody has argued otherwise. Mark needs to defend his case in court and prove that his use fell under fair use. The answer is not a forgone conclusion.", "That is an absolutely insane opinion to have", "He literally said his career.", "Nah it’s a fact that causing public outrage is easier than getting a lawyer for creators, and it works just as well a lot of the time", "toei is a multi million dollar company, him going against them in court wouldn't be fair", "he also talks about having to manage and help the people he works with to in this very video", "As Mark describes, he has currently lost 150 videos totaling 3 years worth of work, and I'd say that likely would warrant court. If it was just a drawing video, sure, just go through the YT system I guess.", "if say 600k of his subscribers all stopped using youtube, would that really not be a big deal?", "If your career is based on monetizing videos you make on youtube, it's time to find another job. It's a shitty reality but it is a reality for a lot of content creators. For those whom making youtube videos is a side hustle, it won't hurt as bad.", "So what's the answer? People sign up to this free service knowing the term that apply. Should they look elsewhere? Host their own content?", "That sucks. I hope you guys move to a different platform.", "very very very few of those 600k subscribers subscribe ONLY to this one guy. they won't stop using youtube.", "Make sure to watch upvote and comment. You can make a differences", "Thing is... Japan's IP laws don't become relevant just because the content in Japanese. YouTube is American, hence American fair use policies should apply.\n\nNow obviously YouTube goes well above and beyond the minimum required by US law (DMCA) with their Content ID system and copyright claims, but the point remains that Japanese laws are completely irrelevant outside of Japan.", "Toei's abuse aside, YouTube's system is in desperate need of an update. There's no legal reason for multiple 30 day waits. There's no legal reason why multiple cases can't be appealed at the same time. If anything, I'd imagine preventing creators from being able to defend themselves in a timely manner would go against current DMCA copyright law. Knowing full well these companies are in the wrong and won't file legal paperwork, creators should be given the option to cut to the end and say right away \"serve me court documents or walk away\".", "> They would rather accept copyright claims at face value then spend the resources investigating them properly.\n\nThey literally can't. They've grown so massive and have such a monopoly over user-generated video content that it's not possible anymore. I don't know what the latest numbers are, but in 2020 there were 500 hours of video being uploaded to youtube every minute. Even if only a fraction of that has a Content ID claim against it, there's no way they could ever spend the resources to actually properly investigate every claim. It's why the whole thing is (badly) run by AI and no one is actually doing any due diligence - not youtube and definitely not the big corporate copyright holders. The entire system is a mess and needs to be broken apart.", "I'm sure you're right. The insane thing is that you think that this is how the system should work.", "> And using that much of it is questionable at best\n\nbut its not questionable at all....toei has claimed many of his videos in the past. and once it gets to the counter claim stage, toei always lets the claim lapse without bringing it to court. all it does is take the video down for 30 days and then it comes back. so all it does is basically harass the creator for no reason. because if toei actually believed that he was stealing and improperly profiting off their content, they would follow through on the DMCAs and take him to court. \n\nbut they dont. they just hit the videos with the claims and back off once they have to put their money where their mouth is because they have no legs to stand on. \n\nall this does practically is harass the content creator to painfully navigate the obsolete youtube system to get their videos back, losing money they would have otherwise earned if the videos were up. not to mention any and all momentum the videos would have with the algorithm is pretty much halted\n\nand with youtube only allows contesting three videos at a time and 150 videos being flagged at once, it would take him 30 years to counterclaim all of them?? thats just absurd especially since these claims are bogus", "Funny you should bring up manga when an entire segment of the industry only exists in a grey area where its copyright violations are not challenged by the rights holders because it is seen as vitalizing the market. There's probably no better argument against overly strict IP protection in Japan than doujinshi.", ">It's like they have picked 3 specific ones and everyone else gets the legal dogs\n\nThat's literally what it is. Any company would rather only deal with 3 large, well established companies with a proven track record of \"following the rules\" with reviews (in general speaking good about products, following review guidelines, etc) than deal with those 3, along with a thousand plus independent contractors (which would be you in this case).\n\nIt really just comes down to it being beneficial to both sides (Anime company, and any of those big 3 review sites), as those websites get sorta \"exclusive\" rights to review, while the company doesn't have to deal with any surprises, random people messing up reviews, speaking bad, etc.\n\nYeah, it's shitty, I 100% agree. That being said, having to only deal with 3 companies you can predict instead of dealing with countless independent reviewers who all have their own style/quirks/etc. It really just keeps things simple and predictable, something companies do enjoy.", "Doubt it. Toei Animation is known to be a piece of shit.", "I've said it many times before, but Youtube should just institute a system that requires copyright claims to need a deposit to make. \"Want to make a copy right claim? That will be $40, which will be refunded to you after we make a review and determine whether or not your claim is valid. If the claim is not found to be valid on manual review, you will not be issued a refund.\" \nThat would add a significant income stream for them while also protecting their creators, and even pay the wages and then some of the employees that would be doing the reviews.", "That is not a grey area it is international and we have tons of conventions where people make money with those self made manga.\n\nDoujin creators also can be sued tho. It's not free as you think and a lot don't have copywrite because they are original creations\n\nMy brothers company can make a ton of money selling a cd tho with music from the show and make sure it doesn't show up on the internet for free. It's all about physical vs digital protection. Where in the USA special edition stuff gets put up instantly on YouTube with no reason to buy", "The law is the law, the only thing that company can do with those millions of dollars is buy lawyers. If the law is on this guy's side, which people keep saying is the case, then there should be no issue with taking this to court.", "Though I do think there's probably complexities in international copyright law that are beyond the both of us, the actual law doesn't matter here because it's never going to court in the first place. So all I'm trying to say is that Japanese companies' attitude towards IP rights is going to be partially informed by their own country's IP laws—regardless of whether it actually applies or not.", "We all know YouTube is a problem yet people still... use youtube...? How about making your own fucking website?", "isnt court hella expensive though?", "court is hella expensive though", "It’s really odd, given how big fan-made content in Japan is, from cosplay, to fan art, to an entire industry of doujinshi.\n\nWithout fansubs, anime would have probably never even entered outside markets, aside from a few dubs on TV. But now we have multiple streaming services to cater to the market that fansubs created.", "Sure, but he's ended up there through his own personal choices. He has built his entire personal brand off of Toei owned properties.", ">but Japanese companies in particular are also notoriously archaic, and downright hostile when it comes to their IP\n\nIt's weird. I remember many years ago when sites were distributing fansubs of Katekyo Hitman REBORN! only to get legal notices and takedowns on behalf of Funimation, who never licensed the series to begin with and were just acting as an intermediary for one of the companies on the show's production committee. I can't recall any other instance of this happening off the top of my head. Like sure they're protecting their interests but it must sting when it wasn't a show you could get legally at the time getting taken down by an entity that isn't bothering to release it legitimately.", "using fair use which toei can stop and suffer no consequences", "The context is his videos, trust me, they don't WANT you to hear their side, because if they did, they would actually follow through and end up at Court with these content creators, instead they do this just to waste. Imo a company shouldn't be able to flag your video if you are unable to to fight back immediately.", "...yes, I'm aware that there's tons of conventions and people make money from it. That's my point. Although many doujin violate copyright, the industry chooses to mostly not take any action against those violations. The fact that many doujin rely on someone else to not enforce their legal right against them is what makes them exist in a grey area. \n \nAlso, fair use has no bearing on whether someone can upload music from a show on the internet because that's not fair use. Just taking someone else's music and uploading it on the internet is as much of a copyright violation in the US or UK or Germany as it is in Japan.", "Let's not get carried away - it isn't clear at all that Mark's videos were all fair use.", "Your name is very relevant here.", "What an utterly trash take. Like seriously, I don't think I've ever read a worse take.\n\nI've watched very little TotallyNotMark content in my life time, maybe 3 videos, but they were all interesting, well researched, well presented and didn't use content egregiously. \n\nBy your logic, no one should ever stream on twitch unless they're creating original art/music. Is that right? I just looked into your comment history and you seem to be a big fan of the fighting game scene. How do you justify that? I mean, they're not creating a fighting game, they're just using someone elses work to host tournaments and win prizes.", "[60 days x 150 =](https://www.google.com/search?q=60+days+x+150+&rlz=1CATTSD_enIE945&sxsrf=AOaemvKyhdc3TwLiNZ7q1GrzytVcUI3YNw%3A1638914179216&ei=g9ivYc3MDMWU8gKF4rL4BA&ved=0ahUKEwiNmuCL19L0AhVFilwKHQWxDE8Q4dUDCA8&uact=5&oq=60+days+x+150+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BwgAEEcQsAM6BAgjECc6BggAEBYQHjoFCAAQgAQ6BggAEAcQHjoHCCMQsAIQJzoECAAQDToGCAAQCBAeOggIABAIEAcQHkoECEEYAFCRAlimI2CjJ2gBcAJ4AIABkAGIAeMGkgEDOS4xmAEAoAEByAEIwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz)", "So your argument isn’t about what actual rights Mark has, but rather your personal view on who really “deserves” to profit off of a particular IP?", "I mean, Toei is a train wreck. Reminder that they took down episodes of Team Four Star’s Dragon Ball Z Abridged WHILE having them film a cameo for [DBZ Kai](https://youtu.be/BS-HiOzcjJg).", "still, taking 60 days to review ONE video is awful and a waste of time and thats just one part of the problem", "That's the beauty of it tho. It's only breaking the law when the original ip holder enforces it. Otherwise it is allowed and celebrated.\n\nIf the original artist doesn't want it tho it is taken seriously and discontinued.\n\nStrong copyright is the lifeblood of our very important industry.\n\nJapan taking it seriously saves the physical industry that we have. There is a reason cds, books, physical media are thriving in Japan.\n\nSure it's illegal in USA as well but much much harder to enforce and rarely if ever do legal actions ever get taken", "that is a stupid comparison tbh", ">didn't use content egregiously. \n\nIn your opinion\n\n>you seem to be a big fan of the fighting game scene. How do you justify that?\n\nSee\n\n>YT and infuencer culture is just a big meme that everyone has bought into because it's \"free advertising\"\n\n>Mark's dedicated ad channel is probably a net positive for Toei, and they're insane for taking it down\n\nIP holders are allowed to control the use of their IP as they see fit. Tournaments of any reasonable size do need permission from the IP holders. Normally, I would leave this as an opportunity for you to demonstrate self-improvement and growth, but I'll start you off -\n\n[1](https://www.newsweek.com/dragon-ball-fighterz-cancelled-pulled-tournaments-1271553)\n\n[2](https://www.panda.gg/news/panda-nintendo-circuit)\n\n[3](https://www.siliconera.com/persona-5-royal-streaming-restrictions-wont-let-people-share-events-after-december/)\n\nI already said executing those rights was \"insane\" and self-defeating, I don't know what more you want from me.", "Showing other bigger channels showing their animations may not support his argument like he thinks it does. If they licensed it for publication, then it has nothing to do with fair use.", "They exist, like peertube which is federated preventing such content id systems. However they all lack a easy way to make money, discovery and wide adoption.", "I'm really sorry for him, but it's fucking stupid as hell to make Youtube your full time job when your entire content is just reviewing other IPs and when you have a family and multiple people depending on you. That's just hugely irresponsible and dumb.", "The good news is that they do care about their platform!\n\nThe bad news is that this is shown by them offering Twitch streamers 30 million dollars to sign an exclusive contract.", "It won't happen since the most popular creators aren't having this issue. Look at the Top 50 most subscribed channels...YouTube/Google won't lift a fuckin' finger to help with someone less than 10m subscribers, let alone less than 1.", "his videos fall under fair use and are transformative", "How many people you need to hire to watch 500 hours worth of videos a minute?\n\nThat has perfect understanding and knowledge of all copyrighted material and unbiased too?", "Isn’t YouTube a privately held company that can do whatever they want? Free Capitalist society. I would not solely rely on income produced on someone else’s platform as they own the land and you only rent space.", "Remember when Vessel was being pushed hard as the YouTube killer? That lasted what, a year?\n\nAlso that was 5 years ago, damn.", "PeerTube is ready and rearing to go, but there's both no content and no viewers", "Good luck getting enough people to make even small dip in YT's viewbase", "The minute a viable alternative arises, I'd jump ship immediately.", "Then someone has to figure out how to make the creators valuable to Youtube, because if they were this would not happen.\n\nEdit: Follow the money, its always about the money.", "I don't find a rigid system that relies on the whims of the original author to not enforce their rights against transformative works beautiful in the slightest. Such a system couldn't be more diametrically opposed to my own views on copyright. \n \nHowever when it comes to comparing the actual enforceability of copyright between e.g. Japan and the US, I'm pretty sure we're both well out of our depth.", "Yes, I know and I hope he can get his videos back somehow. But I still think it's extremely risky and dumb to have a full time job (while having a family) that depends on other big IPs, without having a contract with their companies or something.\n\nIf I wanted to make a living from Youtube, I'd make my own stuff, like crazy stunts/challenges, drawing/painting, cooking, music, vlogs/sketches, short films, etc. And even still, I would treat it as a side job, with another safe, “normal” job as my main source of income. \n\nTrying to make a living for yourself and a family + multiple employees by reviewing stuff is INSANE.", "I agree with you. If this was 15 years ago and it was kind of a grey area where nobody really knew how Youtube would handle people talking over copyrighted content, sure, I'd feel more sympathetic for him.\n\nBut this is 2021 and it's happened to so many content creators over the past 5 years, you'd be kind of dumb not to expect it to happen to you. Especially when your content involves showing copywritten material interspersed with your face or some additional graphics every so often. He skated along enough and made good money doing so, and now that's over.\n\nHe also should have been well aware of which media conglomerates are going to come down harder than others. Play with fire long enough and you'll get burned.\n\nAnd he's also hasn't \"lost\" the videos. They're still most likely in his possession, he just needs to reupload them somewhere else.", "That doesn't require you to have\n\n> perfect understanding and knowledge of all copyrighted material \n\nand be \n\n> unbiased\n\n?", "Burger flipper with soul-crushing career prospects tries to bait people and talk down to others because he isn't happy with his life.", "what sort of videos did he make? any examples still online? (of the ones that were deleted)", "Why dont people stop using yt? They hate it so much. Go somewhere else.", "I've been a regular watcher of Mark's videos for over two years now. This makes me so fucking angry. Toei, Amazon, Facebook, Starbucks, Walmart, they're all the same. Bloated sacks a filth, they need to die.\n\nEdit: yeah? You guys like Facebook? “We foster the platform for people to organize genocides” Facebook? And Walmart? “Our workers make up the largest bloc of welfare users, even though we are one of the wealthiest corporations in the world” Walmart? I can’t hear your boos over the sound of you sucking your corporate hero’s cock.", "He’s been contacted by Toei for stuff before, the problem is that toei has departments designed to sniff out and fuck creators like Mark for ANYTHING. The problem is two massive companies shitting on one content creator and there being no true methods to reconcile their errors.", "Fuck the new Dragon Ball movie", "If I take 3 years of hard work and spend it re-editing Lord of the Rings into the Ultimate Fan Edit, and then I post the end result to Youtube, I would expect it to get taken down. My input or creativity or even if I redub half the movie with my own voice does not mean it's immune to copyright laws. \n\nThe fact that I got away monetizing it for several months or a year doesn't change the fact that I am going beyond fair use for the copywritten content.", "Japan doesn’t care about free advertising. \n\nThey want total control of their IP.", "Well you have that plus the fact that you're dealing with Japanese companies. Japan doesn't have a fair use law for coverage of any kind, so you either have to own the rights, get written approval from the company, or be sued and potentially go to prison. In there mind it's fine to strike this sort of thing because it's against the law there but the rest of the world would tell them to go pound sand.", "Games Workshop has entered the chat", "But he’s been successfully doing it for years and only got fucked because of a shit system and untrue claims about his videos?\n\nIf the system worked the way it should it would be fine. I think he should source other means of revenue from his viewers because having only YouTube being your source of monetizing is sketchy, but to say it’s stupid to build a career (which he’s done) around reviewing things is silly lol", "no idea who this guy is but it isnt exactly new. the guys from trash taste will definitely tell u how shitty the japanese companies are to work with.\n\ni clicked on his video and he has so damn much of the anime as part of his video. not sure what else he is expecting to happen.", "At 500 hours uploaded per minute, that's 720,000 hours of content uploaded in a 24 hour period. figuring 8 hour shifts - if they aren't allowed any breaks, or weekends off, that would be about 90,000 people.", "thats pretty different", "bruh just no", "I mean one of those things is alot easier to do then the other...", "Fair Use, which doesn't matter to Youtube's algorithm and copyright strikes because it's on the strikee to prove innocence rather than on a soulless corporation with millions of dollars for a legal team to prove guilt. System's fucked, yo.", "i would say 0.01% of them would give enough of a fuck to stop using youtube.", "This isn't your therapists office.", "The balls on them to seek you out specifically to work with for profit, then turn around and do what they did is unreal. Oh well, if anyone at their company with half a brain sees this video they’ll realize how much damage they’ve done to their company’s potential profits and fix things.", "His Naruto videos are some examples if they're still up.\n20-30 minute character/story analysis. One Piece and Naruto are blind reviews. His dragonball videos ranged from analysis to reviews and drawing/animation videos.", "okay? He still says that his career is over if he can't post videos consisting entirely of copyrighted visual content.", "which he uses fair use in and are transformative", "Toei also single handedly killed the DBZ Fighterz fighting game scene which was on track to being the most popular in the community. They absolutely do not care and seems to live in the 1950s or something.", "Nintendo would probably dominate the faking landscape if they weren't so boneheaded.\n\nThey manage to get this far while destroying all free advertisement and creating bad PR.\n\nImagine if they weren't greedy idiots.", "A much stronger rebuttal than \"free marketing\". I agree.", "Do you know how much money Google makes? They could absolutely afford to hire enough people to at least help this issue.", "Just declaring something fair use doesn't make it so. And the fact that he himself thinks his videos aren't not good enough without the copyrighted content to make him money doesn't aid his fair use defense.", "It doesn't have to be instant. Just have the issue alleviated. \n\nAlso they can afford it", "Does it make sense to use youtube more as a launch pad platform. Post the vids but also link your website at the bottom in case the vids get pulled down. Or is the server cost just too damn high for that?", "They thought Titanic was too big to sink", "What the hell is/was vessel?", "you are allowed to use copyrighted material for fair use to help your point in a review", "At 15$/h * 8h/d * 7d/w * 52w/y that would be 3.93b$ a year just to watch videos.\n\nGoogle can afford it (probably?), question is, is it an effective expendure or it's just a cost of placating for few minutes loud minority that likely don't matter in the first place?", "And there in lies the problem. Short of some MASSIVE glibal change. I cannot see a viable alternative ever arising. Their content library and deals advertising deals are huge. You would basically need Internet 2 to come out. Which is just plugging into the matrix and youtube is incompatible with it so dozens of competitors pop up. Or legally disallow youtube from copyright striking people posting youtube videos online or something.", "There's a lot to unpack here but typically with these videos there is a ton of speculation that you can't just ignore. Some things worth mentioning:\n\n* He goes on to say that Stephen Colbert uploaded a bunch of Toei Footage but he didn't get his video removed, but this guy has no idea if Stephen Colbert's show paid for the right to use that footage or not so its a completely invalid argument.\n* Anime specifically is difficult when it comes to fair use because the only purposes you can use someone else's footage are 1. Its reviewing the footage, or 2. Its a parody of that work BUT the parody directly relates to that work. With Anime there is also the art factor. If you are reviewing anime but not reviewing the art of the anime, one could argue that its not transformative.\n* He says that he knows TOEI didn't review all the work because they copyright struck over 50 hours of footage in the span of two hours, but that's such a flawed argument because there is nothing to say they didn't review all the videos leading up to a point in time and once they finished their review they decided to strike all the videos.\n\nThis happens all the time, there are a bunch of content creators that don't actually understand what is behind fair use, get misinformation or make up facts in their own head and they get upset when it comes back to bite them in the backside.\n\nThen they act like these big companies are evil corporations that are actively trying to destroy their lives because they infringed on copyright and got caught.\n\n[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU&t=1646s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU&t=1646s)\n\nAbove is a really great video Tom Scott made on content ID that clears up a lot of information about how it works behind the scenes. I don't know this channel to know what's going on, but these things are absolutely not as simple as this video is presenting them to be. We, the viewers, certainly don't have enough information to know who the bad guy is here. But YouTube isn't just trying to ruin your career, they handed you that career by letting you use their infrastructure to reach an audience with no cost\\* at start up to you. If you can honestly say that you would be where you are today if you made a website from scratch with its own video technology and build the audience you have today just like you would have on YouTube, by all means, get mad at them. But acting like YouTube taketh but not giveth is ignorant as hell.\n\nDon’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that this channel deserves this or they didn’t follow the rules because I don’t know their content at all, but there are enough flaws in the thought process of this video that make me believe that if they apply the same flawed thinking to how copyright and fair use work there may be problems in what they believe is okay but actually isn’t.\n\n^(\\if anyone argues the cost is the lions share of the advertising revenue, that's not what I implied. I mean there is no cost apart from production. You don't need to pay website fees, salaries for people to maintain the site, server costs, etc etc etc.)", "That would do literally nothing in this situation. Toei is a giant corporation. $40 is not even chump change to them.", "I guess that's why it didn't succeed....", "Is it effective use of their money tho?", "It's a chicken and egg thing. I would love to use another site but none of the content creators I follow post there, so why would I?", "However, YouTube operates in Japan, and not following Japan's legal framework is a quick way to get sued. Sure, they could shut down operations in Japan, but there's no way that will happen. So their options are eat ever-increasing fines, or just conform to Japanese law for matters originating in Japan.\n\nI'm not sure what laws Japan has on the books regarding things like common carriers, editorial discretion, and the legal status of user-generated content. However, YouTube will only be out to protect YouTube.", "How true is this and how will they benefit from it?", "He did not say anywhere that he thinks this is how the system should work. He just pointed out that it DOES, not that it should.\n\nIf one way is making a simple video and the second way is spending possibly years in court and tens of thousands of dollars, but the ending result is the same, then going the video route that will give much faster results one way or the other is the way to go, even if this is not how the system should work. Even if he did decide to go to court and fight it, it would make no lasting change, and youtube would do nothing to change their actual implementation of the DMCA. It would also have a negative effect on his employees and essentially result in the death of his \"company\" even if he won by the time courts sorted through everything. So following the correct way of getting a lawyer is basically a completely broken option for small individuals when going against giant corporations. It is a complete non-option.", "200 years of anime control.", "You are right it's not my job to help you, go outside and touch grass.", "now you're just being childish", ">So their options are eat ever-increasing fines, or just conform to Japanese law for matters originating in Japan.\n\nBut that's the thing, this matter does not* originate in Japan simply due to the fact that the copyright owner is in Japan. If the dude was Japanese, sure, but the alleged infringement is in America, on an American website no less, hence the Japanese company's American copyright is relevant. Copyrights aren't global.\n\nSure, you're right otherwise that YouTube will not hold its back for this, but the point is that legally, the Japanese can't hope to enforce their domestic copyright claims internationally any more than the DEA can arrest an American tourist in Amsterdam for smoking a joint.", "Yes, its crazy expensive and cases can take years. This guy is trolling people acting like just having the law on someones side makes something open and shut. Even with the law on his side he still requires large amounts of both spare money and time to fight against such a corporation.", "They did?! That's like chopping your hands off after everyone loves your cooking! How did they do that?", "business in Japan is forever stuck 20 years behind every other modern country, They refuse to innovate and follow trends.", "Not according to copyright law. \n\nMy point being, it doesn't matter how much time I put into it, what I think I'm adding or subtracting from the narrative of the original work, or what why I think it's important to show the copywritten material while I talk about it. \n\nI may think I'm offering them free advertising, but they may think I'm damaging their brand. I may think I'm offering an intelligent deconstruction of a particular episode, and they may think I'm just making money off their intellectual property.\n\nI'd be the same way if I put some original work online - something I spent years of my life and paid people to help me produce - and someone posted it to their channel and got paid by Youtube to talk over it. \n\n\"But they're just talking over it! They're just referencing it! Think of all the free advertising!\" No, they're pretty much giving every viewer a free view of my copywritten work that they'd otherwise have to pay for. AND, they're getting paid by Youtube to do it, not me.\n\nI'm not going to subscribe to this guy's channel and another guy's channel and 10 other guy's channels, and watch every single video and decide per-video if them making money off of my content is still worth them getting away with doing so.", "Pixellated, tho.", "Imagine if they weren't greedy idiots.", "Move to Rumble", "oh so you are one of \"those\" people. Nevermind", "So how did TFS get by then? I’m genuinely asking because if Toei is such a tightass about this stuff I feel like TFS would have been the first in their crosshairs.", "bruh watching a review is not the same as actually watching the damn show. If i wanted to watch an episode or a movie, i would watch said episode or movie, not a youtube review of them", "Man I don't know this guy, but fuck Toei. Support the official release? Fuck that. Time to steal all my anime that they own.", "Lol your comment could be written by a bot at this point. This shit is like free karma in reddit threads.", "They stopped the organization of most of every tournament with DBZF after the initial ones did major numbers on Twitch. Those who know about those would understand how hype they were (Go1 vs Sonicfox). With Street Fighter V doing poorly as well, DBZF was a suitable ace of the fighting game community until Toei put a stop to that.", "Rome didn’t burn in a day", "Lol what is vessel? Something in your social media circle?", "TFS used to annually have their channel obliterated by Toei. I don't know how they got them to stop, but I know one of the many reasons they switched to the 3D Shortz was because of the copyright strikes.", "I'm not sure you are getting the point. A viable alternative would never arise unless people jump ship before it gets popular and also, you're acting as if a competing platform wouldn't have the same issues lol.", "I work in a Japan Engineering firm and let me tell ya, they're strict with their IP. Its similar to how Apple doesnt want you to fix their iPhones and that you have to take them to certified repair shops. \n\nIt strangles innovation imo.", "It wasn't Toei that had them film a cameo for DBZ kai, it was Funimation while dubbing it. Toei had them remove the scene.", "Thanks for answering trogdorkiller. You’re the real burnanator.", "~~If I remember correctly, the year FighterZ came out, Toei had a hissy fit about it being shown at EVO and other FGC tourneys. The pressure was so immense that most tourneys stopped allowing the game to not have to deal with the hassle. That's not the whole thing, but that's what I remember from the time.~~", "I was shocked how quickly DB fighterz fell out of the FGC limelite outside of majors.\n\nThat explains a whole helluvalot.", "> They absolutely do not care and seems to live in the 1950s or something.\n\nWelcome to every Japanese company run by ojisans who still fax everything and have no concept of how the internet works.", "Tell me you don’t understand finance without telling me you don’t understand finance.", "In dick culture, this is considered an anime move.\n\nEdit: a word", "Yeah, I learned this the rough way. NAMCO raw dogged me something fierce with a copyright claim. Just plowed me hard like it was our wedding night. My [\"The Hottest One Punch Man Take\" Analysis](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2eQeWycOPM&ab_channel=FYP) video, which has survived, got flagged immediatley when I uploaded it. \n\nThe thing is there is no audio from the show, it's just me talking and making my unique argument for half an hour with some soft piano copyright free music in the background. Region locked. Only those in the USA or Canada can view it (my pinned top comment is info on a VPN lol). \n\nThey flagged it for visual copyright 10 mins of the 30 min long video. So I re-edit the video except I blurred the entire visuals for the whole video. It was me breaking it down with a giant blurred circle taking up 80% of the screen. I did the entire run of the video to be safe. \n\nYou couldn't see Jack shit. Perfect. Submitted an appeal.\n\nNot only was the appeal rejected, but now they claimed 15 mins of the video violated copyright. HOW DID IT GET WORSE? I BLURRED ALL THE VISUALS??? HOW DID YOU COPYSTRIKE ME MORE WHEN YOU CAN BARELY TELL WHAT IS HAPPENING? How did they just choose to slap my ass and add 5 additional minutes more when you are barely able to make out what is going on????\n\nYou can just see Saitama's red gloved fists kinda, and blurred monster guts being punched everywhere. So I said fuck it. Reuploaded the video with full visuals intact. High quality, with no abrasive cuts, full fights while I make my case on the hottest One Punch Man take around. Worked out better as I can cohesively show what I am talking about. \n\nI can actually show the Saitama vs Lord Boros fight, the evidence to my argument in real time, and display the subtext to what is actually happening between the characters. However, still region locked to anyone not in the USA or Canada. It is strange. It is coocoo for cocoapuffs. \n\nIt's better to not fight these things more than once. If you keep appealing they can strike you harder for it. It is t worth it.\n\nIt's funny because this railroaded me into making the video I visually and verbally wanted to without compromising any scenes from One Punch Man. 👊🏽💯\n\nThe video listed here is better for this whole orde but now I am using MORE of their content. Not less. I never even run ads on my videos, so they had nothing to lose. \n\nSo it was a lesson learned, but they never explained anything so I am not sure what that lesson was. Just don't fuck around and find out I guess. Or throw caution to the wind and upload whatever, tell people that are region locked to use a VPN? Idk\n\nIt's wacky land man.\n\nEDIT: Looks like the region lock strike is lifted (?). People throughout the world are commenting/messaging me they are currently watching the improvised toned OPM analysis video linked.\n\nLast time I asked my friends outside North America if they could view it they said no. Not sure what changed since then, but hey, I'll take it. \n\nWe Mr. Worldwide now, my dudes.", "I never feel bad for youtubers. YouTube has been fucking over channels/people for years. YEARS!!! yet people still think 🤔🤔 hmmm I’m going to make a career off YouTube. 😂 I mean…. Being confused that a company doesn’t go after someone like NBC but comes after you 😂.", "For reals, stop putting your life's work somewhere where it can be taken away with a click, without a reason needed.", "If that happened, you would have no Toei, Amazon, Facebook, Starbucks, and Walmart. Their competitors will fill in the void and become the new Toei, Amazon, Facebook, Starbucks, and Walmart. \n\nNothing you can do about it except work hard enough so your company becomes the next Toei, Amazon, Facebook, Starbucks, or Walmart. At that point you'll be the one who decides if it's a good financial decision for your company to enforce copyright on a service that pays others to talk over your intellectual property.", "It really wouldn’t like at all", "He didn't \"lose\" his videos. He lost the ability to show his videos on his Youtube channel. \n\nThe actual video files are most likely in his possession, on a hard drive somewhere, on the computer he edited them with. He can re-upload to another service if he wants to.", "I may get downvoted for this but...\n\n\\- You used content that wasn't yours?\n\n\\- And made money that was off the content that wasn't yours?\n\n\\- And now you have shocked Pikachu face when the owners of the material don't want you to use and make money off their IP?\n\nIt sucks that the stuff that didn't have claimable stuff got claimed, but it's only under fair use if you aren't monetizing the content. I'm no lawyer, but if it's not yours, you can use it under fair use, but only if it's not monetized.\n\nYou built a channel and business without a backup plan on how you would go forward if that product decided to shut down. You messed up. I feel for you and it sucks but you should have known and made plans that if this day came and it sure did that you would get hit hard.\n\nOnce again - It's not fair use if you are making money from it.\n\nI can't understand how people think they can use someone elses properties to make their living. Over and over again I see these kids who made their first dollar break down as they are shocked that music they love can't be used and their channel gets flagged. I know you know that fair use is one thing, but fair use is automatically eliminated when you try to monetize it. Fair use is an educational provision so schools can use material that is copyrighted to teach. You are going to have to go through - just like I did when that one day came for me... and appeal every single video if you want them back.", "Not 20 years behind but stuck in 1980 and never moving forward. Mark my words, as long as the local laws allow it they will keep doing that in 2040.", "Just a little anecdote from me that will forever bum me out about how big DBFZ could've gotten:\n\nI had friends who did not watch any fgc events. They had seen moment #37 and would maybe tune into the occasional smash tournament, but that was it.\n\nThey all watched DBFZ religiously on twitch.\n\nIt was the weirdest fucking thing. We would meet up and I would just sorta sit there stunned listening to them talk about sonicfox vs go1 or whatever happened recently ya know? It was wild having them ask me if I was going to watch this major or that local because I always used to try and get them into fighting games.", ">if it's a good financial decision for your company to enforce copyright on a service that pays others to talk over your intellectual property.\n\nwhich it isnt", "Twitch Streamer: \"While I play video games all day, I'm going to play your music on my Twitch channel. Did I mention Twitch pays ME to broadcast, and unlike when your song plays on the radio, you won't get any royalties or any cut of the money Twitch is paying me. But just think of all the free advertising for your song, right?\"\n\nYou, the Musician, : \"Fuck yourself.\"", "I watch this guy every week, and had no idea. I thought it was kinda niche, and seeing him on the front page was like \"Oh COOL Totally Not Mark MADE I...ohshit\"", "Oda mentioned Youtubers in a recent SBS.\n\nToei probably saw that and went nuclear because they are the worst fucking company when it comes to this stuff. Ass backwards. \n\nThere are so many people who have probably spent money on Toei IPs due to media personalities.", "It was part of the reason they stopped doing the abridged, among other reasons. I can imagine it’s a fucking nightmare, they’re already not getting paid but you’re fighting to even keep your video up for others to watch constantly.", "Legal defense is a cost of doing business, and he's supposedly a business owner with employees. If he hasn't allocated funds to defend the main source of his employee's income, that's on him.", "Toei didn't authorize that cameo, FUNimation (namely Chris Sabat) snuck them in under aliases using DC superhero names. Toei caught on in the eleventh hour, forced them to swap that cameo out with audio from classic DBZ, and kept them on a short leash ever since. The only reason we even have access to that cameo is because Comcast briefly put the unaltered version on-demand.", "Japan is run by old fucks and they have a culture where you don’t dare question people older than you and/or above you. So you’re not going to have young blood making suggestions to the grandpas running companies. It’s 100% “Yea boss, good idea boss!” And people think corporate culture is bad in the states you ain’t seen shit until you’ve worked in Japan.", "I won’t downvote you, but the key is transformative and not for commercial use. The review is the product and is transformative making this fair to monetize. Old reference but think Siskel and Ebert and their film reviews…fair use and monetized.", "“If I can’t get the ad revenue no one can!!!”", "Please guys help him out if you can, this is so bs", "toei animation is a multi million dollar company and basically harass for him no reason since they always Always backout whenever their claims get pushed too far and it always takes 60 days! Only 1 video allowed! What an absolute waste of time and effort and pointless all to just harass a creator for no reason", "This. FUNimation was pretty hush-hush about it too, keeping the TFS actors under aliases, but Toonami teased the cameo in a promo and Toei acted immediately. We only have the audio to put because Comcast accidentally put it up on-demand, otherwise it would have become lost media.", "Dude ... I work for an ISPs legal department and we get TONS of notices from a company in Germany that sends these bullshit notices out in behalf of Funimation and others and they are fucking RELENTLESS it's inSANE.\n\nI try to push back when I can so it doesn't even become an issue for the customer but most of them I can't and it fucking sucks. They're rabid ...", " There is also a lot of good points that you can't ignore. He says that 9 of the videos striked are videos which didn't have any Toei footage in them. He also explains how slow the dispute process works and how Toei can strike as many videos as they like but he can only dispute a handful of strikes at once. It takes months to get one video back and you can only do a handful at a time. That is just straight up unfair to the youtubers. \n\nThe whole process is heavily skewed against the youtubers and genuine ones who are not infringing get caught up in it all the time.", "Berne convention says otherwise, sorry.", "They don’t want to risk their Japanese ad money. YouTube only understands corporate appeasement.", "Surely his videos are not lost - if he doesnt have a copy on his own laptop he is crazy", "Yeah I didn't word that correctly, I meant getting them back up (in public) on the channel", "This is why false DMCA claims (such as a claim against what is legally determined as Fair Use) need to have automatic punitive measures.", "They’re mad that their game was popular and was doing well enough to be a highlighted game for fighting tournaments?\n\nIf I didn’t know it was a Japanese company I’d be more confused.", ">The hypocrisy is so fucking dumb. \n\nOr perhaps different departments acting independently on the matter from each other. Not very rare for a giant company, and complicated Japanese bureaucracy is a bonus.", "Yeah, I know, and that was commented here. I'm just saying I don't understand the millions who use YT for music when it seems to suck and there are all those other dedicated music streams available. There must be something I'm missing, maybe they want to look at the shitty videos?", "he made money from reviews which he worked hours on each and every week. The copyrighted material is talked over and not a substitute for the actual thing. And also works as free advertising", "Because a lot of their talent came from fan/doujinshi communities. If they pushed too hard against these works their talent would probably be pissed, likely still having friends and collegues who are in the communities.", "Most of them don't set out to make this their full time job, it just sort of happens. They start out making videos in their spare time. They get a bit of traction and a bit of ad revenue for beer money. Over time, videos get more and more traction and their channel grows and they get more ad revenue. It makes sense for them to start spending more time working on the channel than doing what their normal day to day job was. If his channel dies tomorrow he can probably go back to doing what he was doing before or work on something else.\n\nIt would be stupid to turn down something you love doing and can make great money doing because some day maybe it will get shut down.", "Seems like any site hailed as a giant killer is doomed to fail. \nSometimes it doesn't gain as much promotion or can't compete against the site everyone's on, sometimes a bad policy early on sinks it. \nWhenever a handful of people go \"I'm leaving for such-and0such, it's much better!\" it's a sign to me that they'll be back.\n\n(Wouldn't be surprised if there was drama due to being filled with a primarily reactionary audience either- the people who care intensely about issues risk disagreeing with each other, and the site won't have that steady audience that'll quietly use it no matter what)", "he profits from reviews he writes which takes a week for each and every video. You need to have SEEN the actual shows in order to watch his reviews and people watch his channel for HIS thoughts/interpretations of said shows and his work is transformative and nobody thinks clips in the background being talked over is a suitable replacement for the real thing", "Go cry about your anime critic more. lol.", "most risk averse group i've seen", "US Government: Got it. Removing the safe harbor so we can go directly after websites that host content.", "You are, to an extent. There are limits.", "> Once again - It's not fair use if you are making money from it.\n\nThis is completely false. If this were true, it would be an infringement to produce a parody of a work for profit, as one example.", "Because it's convenient. \n\nBecause it's good enough for listening. \n\nBecause Occam's razor. \n\nBecause yes, they want to look at shitty videos.\n\nCustomer is always right in the matters of tastes, and for their tastes, using YT for music is great deal to not bother going anywhere else.\n\nLike, why would I want to go and buy Spotify sub or Bandcamp tracks, if I have Silvagunner to gimme game OSTs I crave in a moment's notice?", "And then promptly shutting them down the moment anything bad happens. I'm not exactly for there being a class being above the rules, but \"You can't stream here and you can't stream anywhere else\" doesn't inspire confidence. \n\n(And shows some of the issues of dealing with media- it's easy to accidentally cross that line)", "which he said he abides by", "People are being emotional in this thread and downvoting you, but you're absolutely right. Even if this situation is unfair, it's still incredibly short-sighted to put all your eggs in this basket. This was a predictable outcome.\n\nIn fact, going all-in on YouTube for any genre is reckless. Diversify your income streams, because this can happen to anybody. YouTube could decide tomorrow to stop sharing revenue with creators, for example.", "No, I disagree. The dream isn’t to replace them with new companies, it’s to change the system entirely.", "Yah I understand how one gets into being full time. It’s not actually stupid to turn down a “YouTube Career”. It has been done and will be done again. Not everyone has the same goals or wants. Not everyone is driven by that sweet sweet ad revenue. Going into something knowing a common risk then upset when that risk happens would be stupid.", "This is a perfect example of Japan declining soft power. It's the total opposite of korean media which is why is rose to overtake Japan's soft power position. To think Japan gave $500 million to their intertainmemt companies to increase Japan's softpower. While they're doing shit like this is counter intuitive. It's almost like they want to dig their own graves.", "Unfortunately the truth is that it is well within their financial interests to enforce copyright on Youtube for Toei, Nintendo, Disney (including ABC, ESPN, Marvel, Lucasfilm, etc), World of Wonder, Time Warner, Sega, Formula 1, CBS/Viacom, NBC, the NFL, Univision, Netflix, Charter Communications, Fox / News Corp, Hearst, NexStar, Sony and it's associated media companies (PopTV, Screen Gems, Tristar), The New York Times Company, Zee News / Essel Group, Discovery Media, National League Baseball, Omnicom, Apple, Indycar, MGM, Studio Ghibli, various National Amusements subgroups (BET, MTV, Showtime, Nickelodeon), various NCAA sports networks (PAC10 Network, SEC Network, etc), the NBA, Comcast and it's umbrella of networks (Bravo, MSNBC, Hulu), and the NHL.\n\nThat's just a sampling of media companies that routinely copyright strike just about anything that appears on Youtube.", "What do you mean? 1980 was 20 years agohhh shittttt", "this is a big issue and i really dont blame him for being upset over it", "The popularity and attraction of it just too big. It like china, so many company produce product in there despite know they risk of their product design being stolen, but they still make it there.", "lol. Oh, well if man who relies on copyrighted content to make a living says he isn't violating fair use then he must be correct.", "If they want to be protected by the DMCA they need to abide by the DMCA rules. Charging for claims would likely leave them open for direct law suits.", "> Siskel and Ebert and their film reviews\n\nGood example. They would use very short clips and then you would go back to seeing them talk. How much of the content is being used is part of the test if something is fair use. This guys entire visual element of his 20-40 minute long videos is copyrighted content.", "he relies on his reviews to make a living which are his own", "I just found his channel around a month ago and loved it! His reviews are really well planned out and in-depth. He and his team clearly put in an immense amount of effort, to see this happen is sickening. \nI hope this doesn't kill his drive, his content is truly amazing. \n\nStarting to wonder when, not if, the boycott of YouTube will happen.", "Youtube reportidly has over 2 billion active monthly users. \n\n600K leaving would be a rounding error.", "Let’s all remember that the reason why the claimed the dislike button disappeared was to protect creator from being harassed but they are completely fine letting big company bully their content creator.\n\nWhat a joke…", "It was an incredible game to watch. It has a notable IP and everyone was clamoring for a new MvC-style game to become big. Toei doesn't realize how much they fucked up by neutering DBZF, and I doubt they even care.", ">You do not have to have seen the specific episodes he takes snippets from\n\nthis is just false, it is nowhere near a suitable replacement for the actual show", "Wouldn't they be the anti-burninator though? They're the Trogdor killer, after all.", "Exactly!! Even someone with a normal job should try diversifying their income, like investing on something, trying some other projects, having a small side business, etc.\n\nGoing all in on Youtube with no other source of income or any back up plan at all is just crazy, more so with having to maintain a family and employees.", "The big thing with those is they are limited to in person sales (or some dodgy small stores you find in entertainment districts). Its only really because of scanalations that they escape from comiket. And believe me there are people who got in serious trouble for trying to go commercial with non original doujinshi.", "This is more about anime in general than youtube or the \"broken system.\"\n\nYoutube will not support you, your own personal interpretation of \"fair use\" doesn't matter. \n\nA mega corporation says you're stealing their content, and youtube will not fight them because they'll just pull the plug on allowing anything at all on youtube.", ">...any more than the DEA can arrest an American tourist in Amsterdam for smoking a joint.\n\nStrictly speaking, if a law enforcement authority can prove that you crossed international borders primarily for the purpose of committing a crime, they can and will arrest you.\n\nAn example is traveling internationally for the purposes of child sex trafficking. Someone travels to a country where the age of consent is ridiculously low, like 12. Doesn't matter that it didn't happen in the US, they're still going to jail.", "So you're saying TOEI wouldn't put out $40 * 150 to claim this channel? LOL. This is a ridiculous idea that only supports megacorporations who can afford these claims.", "IMHO though I can't confirm it, they were mad that they didn't get a share of the pie or enough of it to have their IP featured in tournaments. Toei is notoriously greedy.", "que buenos articulos", ">The entire system is a mess and needs to be broken apart.\n\nExcept that operating a video hosting site is an incredibly expensive and complex business, which would be even more costly if they had a significantly large copyright claims department that is meant to investigate and resolve these claims.\n\nAnd for this reason (as well as the amount of legal headache a video hosting site would face) this hasn't really been done after youtube.", "...if they come back to the US. That's why I said \"in Amsterdam\" - the DEA has no jurisdiction outside the US.", "This is pretty much the reason why Team4Star stopping doing their DBZA.", "That's BS. You think the people viewing his videos run out and buy the things? I'd wager many more get their fill of it by watching the review and never follow up in any way.\n\nSo nah, unless you can substantiate it, it's pretty much up to the corporation's whim. \n\nPeople quoting \"fair use\" and \"transformative\" have fucking rocks in their brain, and it's on them to be surprised when called out on dubious legal interpretations.\n\nAnd when people (like me, who deals with copyright claiming on a daily basis) offer that perhaps it doesn't work the way they think it works, it's downvoted or ridiculed. Cool! Stay dumb, then. \n\nHe quotes Colbert using \"more footage\" while apparently thinking his own enterprise is even in the same fucking building as the corporations behind Colbert? LOL.", "Thanks for sharing your experience, it was really fascinating.", ">Google can afford it (probably?),\n\nSpending 3.93 billion dollars a year is quite a significant chunk of their rumoured revenue from youtube which is 19 billion dollars (excluding expenditures). I don't think google would risk turning youtube into a loss-making business just to do this.\n\nAnd that is assuming that the 90,000 people is sufficient.", "Lol. Not only business. Misogynism, racism, the sexualization of underage girls, coming to terms with the war crimes committed during WW2, the list is endless. And I fucking love Japan btw. . But trying out new things isn't exactly their strength. Traditions are important", ">[The Berne Convention requires its parties to recognize the copyright of works of authors from other parties to the convention \$known as members of the Berne Union\$ at least as well as those of its own nationals. For example, French copyright law applies to anything published, distributed, performed, or in any other way accessible in France, regardless of where it was originally created, if the country of origin of that work is in the Berne Union.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berne_Convention)\n\nThe convention says the opposite, sorry. The copyright of a Japanese company has to be recognized in the US, but only as far as American copyrights are recognized - the existence of more restrictive domestics Japanese copyright law does not mandate America to enforce them on its own citizens.", "True. But the nature of the person doesn’t mean they get a free pass either, people aren’t allowed to speed just because they’re kind. The process isn’t skewed for YouTubers, it’s entirely made that way so YouTube doesn’t get sued. YouTube as a company takes the risk, if they allow copyright content on their site the owners of the copyright can sue YouTube for publishing the content. Which is why videos that get strikes are taken down immediately because if they have to do a thorough review of every video before they take it down they are opening themselves to potentially billions of dollars of infringement damages.\n\nAgain, that doesn’t mean youtubers are at fault at all, but the alternate to the current system is absolute chaos where YouTube as a company take on 100% of the risk of everything any Tom, Dick or Harry decides to upload.\n\nAt the end of the day, he is using copyrighted footage without permission, like most YouTubers. That means every minute of his content MUST fall under fair use, with hundreds of hours of content, can you honestly say that you’re 100% certain that none of the content infringes on copyright? Potentially, but this dismissive video of making TOEI the bad guys immediately seems unfair to due process", "No one said that about any of those. \n\nThose aren’t even in the same territory as corporate ultras like Facebook, Google, and Amazon.", "Right. If they want to stay away forever, that's fine. Just like Google could leave Japan and not come back. But, since they don't want to do that, they have to adhere to Japanese law.\n\nYou have to realize, Japanese copyright owners probably aren't going to get money from the creators of those videos. But since they can convince YouTube to obey their laws, they can indirectly enforce their policies.\n\nOf course, this has limits. If China were to truly up the censorship game to include user communications solely in the US, then companies may just leave rather than disrupt their primary markets in the US. But stuff like supposed copyright infringement isn't going to have the same sort of backlash like a complete ban on criticizing China would have.", "Agreed, that’s why I love YouTubers like MrBallen, he puts the focus on what he is saying rather than on footage or images, most of the time when he does show an image there is a caption saying (this isn’t an actual photo of what I’m talking about but it’s an accurate depiction of something similar)", "So it's the channels? Access to real people curating? That would shut me up.", "Yeah I feel like this would just lead to larger channels being able to steal content from smaller ones without them being able to do anything about it", "yeah you should start it. Even on paper. Write down how this system should work. And then be sure to post your idea publicly so that we can compare notes on how obviously flawed it is, and how perhaps maybe google is doing the best thing possible.\n\nI'll even get the ball rolling: \n\nidea 1: it would have to be a decentralized, peer to peer video platform.\n\nflaw 1a: internet providers would throttle the fuck out of it\n\nflaw 1b: obvious rampant piracy\n\nflaw 1c: obvious rampant pornography, darkweb levels\n\nflaw 1d: clogged with spam, misleading videos, bait titles\n\nflaw 1e: absolutely impossible to filter for meaningful results\n\nflaw 1f: bandwidth increase for usage due to p2p nature\n\nflaw 1g: need to also invent methods for decentralized monetization which is it's own problem\n\nflaw 1h: if monetized, how to prove identity of peers? youtube uses google data to position/sell ads and demographic information to marketers. \n\n\nand i'm not even getting to the entire video/dev/production issues with something like this. Obviously it would have to be open source but any concentrated group doing anything like this would directly be held liable for damages. Just look at all of the P2P networks of the 2k era and how that ended for them.", "Yeah, 20-40 minutes of the anime you are reviewing definitely wouldn’t fly. Good differentiation.", "They have to adhere to Japanese law in Japan. They are under no obligation to treat Japanese copyright as if it was global (which it isn't). If the guy ever goes to Japan then maybe they can sue him personally, or maybe they can get the video(s) removed in Japan, i.e. geoblock it. But they can, legally, do absolutely nothing about an American in America using their stuff on an American site in accordance with American copyright law, e.g. fair use.", "Or you know, y'all could quit pirating their content. Not including it any videos because it's their IP. Technically any publicized content even even screen caps go against ToS for most sites.\nThe average Anime fans complete lack of scruples doesn't make me feel for y'all.", "you know what they say, \"fight burnination with burnination\"", "Nobody gave a shit about the WiiU, it had nothing to do with nintendo pursuing shutting down channels. you could hardly argue that them doing that caused more damage since the entire platform was universally shit on.\n\nOverpriced garbage that had nothing worth playing, that was hard to get is why that happened.", "I would argue even video games aren't exempt. Nintendo and Sony are notorious for pulling shit like this, especialltly when compared to western companies.", "This.. small sites may fly under the copyright radar, but as soon as they become big enough, the copyright owners will descend on them. This is a problem with how the laws work and whether the rights holders want to play ball or not.", "> claimants can just wreck a person's livelihood and have little to no repercussion\n\ncounterpoint: his livelihood was based entirely on someone else's IP and they have the right to wreck it.", "The first step to fixing these issues is to throw out the DMCA and start from scratch with a system that has steep penalties for anyone who abuses the system. YouTube is currently required by law to take immediate action on any copyright claims and then investigate them if challenged, but then the next issue comes in as the claimant is the one who gets to determine if their copyright is being violated. Not the courts or even experts at YouTube but the company that made the claim in the first place. That is of course unless you’re part of an MCN in which case YouTube will let the lawyer for the MCN arbitrate the issue. If a copyright claim is deemed to be false, too broad, etc. there are no repercussions for the group who filed the claim.", "The alternative isn't to remove the system but to improve it. For a start the fact a company can hit you with a strike for 100s of videos but you can only realistically dispute a few at a time is just plain shit and completely unfair. \n\nAlso, when you dispute it, it goes back to the person/company who submitted the strike twice and both times they get 30 days to review things and get back to you. So, that is 60 days straight of waiting for the company that hit you with a strike to decide if the strike is valid. In the vast, vast majority of cases, they will just decide that the strike was valid. So, that 60 days is essentially just wasted.", "Yeah, anime companies are very controlling. There's a TCG called Universus (previously Universal Fighting System) that just released its first My Hero Academia set. Funimation had so many stipulations for using the IP. One was that MHA had to be the next released set, so even though they had one or two others ready to go, the game was at a standstill for two years due to covid making its release impossible. That was in turn because Funimation required the MHA cards be made in Japan, even though the other sets were all made in America, meaning they were caught up in the huge supply chain debacle.\n\nThe game owners were clearly very frustrated by how it was holding up their game and therefore their ability to deliver to their players. They're finally (mostly) back on track, but man did Funimation cause some unnecessary headaches.", ">It would in no way be a replacement for watching the actual show and yet I would clearly be infringing on copyright and not work under fair use\n\nwhich is just dumb, pretty pointless", "Haha don't get me wrong, I think what's happening here is fuckin' bullshit, but YouTube is a giant, and channels like this, they couldn't give a shit if they disappeared entirely or not.", "according to little kids (mentally or not) and generally people who don't create anything... infringement/piracy never hurts anyone or anything!", "Why would they? Nobody else really does what they do, at least nobody thats popular for many know about. They have no competition to force them to fix shit for creators like that.", "Great! Start a company that creates things and when people talk over it on youtube you will surely be reaping the profits, right?", "the american team, whom TFS is friends with, put them in Kai. Toei has always, always hated TFS and gone after them multiple times. No wonder they quit after Cell, it's just not worth it anymore to them. They'd rather take a massive hit to their viewer base by making original content than keep fighting for fair use.", "idk those are different because they werent Billions big", "Are you actually claiming that an alternative could ignore copyright laws and be successful?", "Wow, very cool. I wonder why most people haven't done this before./s", "yeah because teenagers have a very silly opinion / understanding of what \"fair use\" is, as they think that reviewing something and showing the footage is \"fair use.\" NOPE. It's not even consistent across jurisdictions, where it does apply. Then they devolve into the nonsense of \"changing the system then\" and not perhaps \"the system works the way it does to protect creators.\"\n\nUnfortunately, the bullshit people on youtube self-labeled as \"creator\" are just begging to be destroyed. They're provably not creators at the same level as the, you know, entities that are actually making the thing.\n\nWhat I wish TOEI would do is just release this guy's videos and claim fair use.", "I feel your pain my friend.", "LMAO. So basically \"look at the things you like while continuing to pay youtube.\" Occupy Sesame Street", "I had no idea they were this bad, so yes. I would obtain my anime legitimately.", "It's not just them. GamesWorkshop (Warhammer) had a massive resurgence in popularity in recent year and a lot of it was due to some really impressive fan creations on youtube. In the last year they wiped out every creator with a join our company or die ultimatum.", "Except they weren't exactly capitalizing off it because it wasn't available legally for another year when it was added to the then recently-gone-straight Crunchyroll", "Don't forget how Microsoft's Mixer was supposed to be both a \"YouTube gaming and Twitch killer\" and it shut down after a couple months", "Any web host that could handle decent traffic would also comply with TOEI issuing a cease and desist.\n\nIf you're obscure enough you might bypass the monitoring. \n\nBut feel free to start your own video streaming platform and see how that works out with zero moderation and apparently billiions'n'billions of minutes of video every second uploaded is a super easy thing to monitor!", "name checks out", "It remains unacceptable that YouTube has no punishment for frivolous copyright claims. In any other framework repeated frivolous use of a system by one individual would be blocked and ignored. But on YouTube, corporations do it constantly.", "yeah: \"A multi-billion dollar media conglomerate got to show the video, why can't I???????\" Ugh, it's rather pathetic, especially how he mentions \"his business\" and how he \"complied with laws\" without demonstrating any sort of acuity.", "So, what, are you expecting them to single-handedly change copyright laws?", "Gotta stop relying on YT. Unfortunately the smaller creators have it rough but anyone with 500K+ subs could make a switch and their fan base would follow with enough notice. Just need a mass exodus of channels that have millions of subs to cause an immediate impact but that's merely wishful thinking.", "Ah, my gramps used to say that one all the time. Think he was talking about 'Nam though.", "When you hit a certain size and have enough varied content probably yea much better. It’s why a lot of larger channels have started their own apps etc. Either that or use patreon.", "Absolute brainlet take", "I don't understand how that works. Since there are like millions of fanmade anime charms on Etsy.", "i was never into fighting games, but i've had a few friends over the years that were into those. so i heard a few times about street fighter somethings. and then some marvel vs capcom somethings. so i HEARD about some fighting game somethings.\n\nso you're telling me a DBZ fighting game was looking like it was getting enough fighting game buzz to be the NEXT popular fighting game after all of that.........and toei was dumb enough to kill it? oh my god. those idiots. i know people that were buying snes consoles 20 years after they came out, so they could plug in and play street fighter II.\n\noh my god toei, you stoopids. i pity the fools.", "This guy gets it", "> There is also a lot of good points that you can't ignore.\n\nThere weren't\n\n> He says that 9 of the videos striked are videos which didn't have any Toei footage in them. \n\nHe hid behind \"it's transformative\" which is weasel-wordy. Did it show copyrighted IP? Obviously it did, since it was a DRAWING of the fucking characters.\n\n> He also explains how slow the dispute process works and how Toei can strike as many videos as they like but he can only dispute a handful of strikes at once. It takes months to get one video back and you can only do a handful at a time. That is just straight up unfair to the youtubers. \n\nAnd this is a gross exaggeration and not how it works at all. I've disputed multiple claims at once. The reason why you \"shouldn't\" do that is strike management. IE, don't do more than a few at a time otherwise risk getting those strikes. At some point you want to maintain the option to NOT dispute to avoid strike potential.\n\n> It takes months to get one video back and you can only do a handful at a time. \n\nNo, and he said you can only do ONE at a time, which is wrong. You can do all of them at once, go right ahead. And when you get simultaneous multiple strikes, it's your own fault.\n\n> The whole process is heavily skewed against the youtubers and genuine ones who are not infringing get caught up in it all the time.\n\nhttps://www.engadget.com/youtube-copyright-transparency-report-184854080.html\n\n2.2 million (around 60 percent) of disputed claims were resolved in favor of the uploader, versus just under 1.5 million in the claimant's favor.\n\nOh yeah? Hurp durp\n\nNow think this is what you have to contend with:\n\nOver 99 percent (722.7 million) of all copyright claims between January and June emerged through Content ID, which automatically monitors YouTube for potential copyright issues. Only 0.5 percent of these were disputed. Go right ahead and spin that as \"see? that's a lot of people who are scared to dispute!\"", "Jesus Christ YouTube is a shit show.", "It was backed by the founder of Hulu. I looked it up and it was around for about a year, year and a half maybe, from 2015 to 2016. There were several large YouTube channels that tried it, but it never really took off.", "I'm sure the government will fix IP laws right after giving us universal healthcare and reducing student loan debt", "The Wii U actually had a load of really great games. The Wii U Pro Controller is also the best controller I've ever used. 80 hour battery life on a 4.5 hour charge. \n \nThe marketing for the system was awful, but it didn't have nothing worth playing. A lot of the best regarded Switch games are either ports of Wii U games or originally intended for the Wii U.", "Your getting down voted by 100% agree. I think you have to understand that making content making money on the back of someone else's content just puts you at risk. It's a fun hobby, but to make a business without official consent and crying about it is just ignorant.", "On the other side of the coin, I ran an anime news blog from 2008-2017. I never once had an issue with Japanese companies, but it helped I used contacts from US distributors to secure approval and PR contacts from Japanese production committees and studios for coverage. \n\nJapanese studios and production committee reps hassle Western sites and creators 95% of the time for not tagging assets and any coverage with the proper copyrights for the property being covered. If you used Chinese or Japanese leaks for coverage, they'd blacklist you for any opportunities with staff or talent. \n\nWhen I started, leaks were the only way to gain traction and I managed to get away with them, but by 2013, I had most of the PR contacts necessary to receive official PR and assets for the vast majority of anime being released. By this time, I had abandoned leak coverage and focused solely on daily coverage using official assets. \n\nI was considering moving into YouTube around 2013, but I always had trouble with securing approval for asset use in videos, and I'd always get a different answer from a studio or committee rep, so I just let the idea go. \n\nSeeing creators get channels nuked for fair use is dumb, but Japanese companies are clearly at fault for not providing any guidelines for asset use in videos in the first place.", "Why is that a requirement? Literally anything would be better than what we have now, which is nothing. Youtube completely ignores disputes and lets the two parties work it out at the expense of creators.", "I don't know, if it cost them money to do it, then they probably wouldn't do it via a bot, because that would add up quickly. Removing the bots from the process alone would fix like 95% of these strikes. Youtube would then be incentivized to manually investigate, and also be incentivized to go with the creator over the large company because then they get paid.\n\nIf it becomes the norm that filing the copyright complaint isn't instant or free, and has a serious possibility to not go your way (especially when it's bullshit like this is) then it won't take long for the practice to go away because it'd just be Toei throwing away money. You'd only get anywhere if there was something to your claim that made it stick.\n\nI agree that it is a system that might get abused by large creators stealing from small creators without any comeuppance, but that already kinda' happens anyway, and it's better than having small creators have their entire channel destroyed over bullshit charges.", "If his reviews require the entire visual element of his long videos to be made up of copyrighted content then he has a problem. You are doing a great job of ignoring this point.", "Man, people are really against the idea of Youtube having competition. But no you've sold me, apparently it's not good for alternatives to be available.", ">your personal view on who really “deserves” to profit off of a particular IP\n\nUh, no? That's the IP owner's privilege, and I have no idea how you could misconstrue I thought otherwise.", "YouTube Vanced / Ublock Origin via Firefox.\n\ngollum voice:\nWhat's ads, precious?\n\nLeave their advertising platform without leaving their content platform, much easier for most people to do than to drop the current mainstream content source.", "Do you think this was an insightful response to my comment?\n\nThat if I am to criticize an industry, I should then be able to overtake it or else my criticisms are invalid? Or that ~~am~~ I am delightfully complicit in it when there are no other alternatives?\n\nWhat a smoothbrained comment. You don't even know how dumb it makes you sound.", "Yeah but content creators sign up to this process when they decide to make a career on YouTube.\n\nYou don’t get to have free online hosting for thousands of gigs worth of video, free advertising to people on the site through recommended videos, the entire revenue collection process on adverts handled for you, server maintenance done for free and then complain about the downsides to that system. If they were pausing a maintenance or subscription service, sure, but they don’t.\n\nThe same way I don’t get to sign up to a boxing match and then complain when my opponent hits back, by all means, if content creators want to make a living from uploading videos they’re more than welcome to create their own infrastructure, take on 100% of the costs and risks associated with it, then review 100% of strikes videos simultaneously.\n\nPeople sit in threads like this and complain about how YouTube is some kind of evil company that only seeks to punish the creators and it’s frankly bullshit. \n\nI assume there are limitations on how many reviews people can process at once because once you click that button YouTube and it’s systems need to do all the processing and reviewing of that, in fact the person that needs to do the bare minimum amount of work when a channel gets a strike is the content creator. If everyone just did that every day for 100% of strikes the system, the same system that handed them a platform for free with no overhead costs they otherwise would never have, gets overwhelmed.\n\nYou want the system to be improved, by all means volunteer your time at YouTube to do that processing for free.\n\nThere is a reason that these content creators complain about, but never leave, YouTube, because the benefits are exponential compared to the downsides.", "japan doesn't understand a lot of things that's happening in the whole world. They always lag behind", "His videos fall under fair use.", "I wish him all the best but when you claim fair use you're playing with fire.", "Alternates technically already exist, but none of them are owned by Google so they don't stand a chance.", "Users not value", "> I get that it's still consideresld fair-use\n\nNo it isn't, until a judge in a court of law declares it is. People don't just decide what they're doing is \"fair use.\" And the illusion that big corporation backed reviewers are \"just doing what they want\" is apparently compelling, becuase many if not all of them are provided footage and materials to use, or else they'll be shunned / sued.", "What's stupid is basing a career on infringing corporations' IP... then getting upset when they decide they don't want you to.", "They have been culturally incentivized to curate a (capitalistically) perfect facade so in business terms, denying all sources of outside comment is favorable to them. Ironically, lying and being shameless is a part of that process.", "> It sucks that the stuff that didn't have claimable stuff got claimed,\n\nThe problem is that it is NOT UP TO THIS GUY WHAT IS CLAIMABLE.\n\nHe's throwing around declarations of how he was legal, but sorry, drawing a copyrighted character and getting money for it is not 'transformative therefore OK.'\n\nIt is so excruciatingly wrong that anyone who deals with these issues professionally can see in a few seconds.\n\nhe talks about the staff he pays, one of them should have been a fucking lawyer on retainer.", "Colbert and the company behind him probably have site licenses for a bunch of content like this, so the argument about colbert is invalid without proof they dont license content.", "Waiting for the day when these companies come upon someone with nothing but time and resources and they decide this is the hill they’re going to die on.", "> I get that it's still considered fair-use\n\nBased on how much he's showing, it entirely may not be. Reddit loves to go on about fair use as though it's an easy blanket to fall under, but in reality it's incredibly specific and strict.", "Sounds like Toei Animation is the next Disney. Fu ck them. Illegally watch their stuff.", "He says in the video that several of them include no Toei footage at all. They are drawing videos. The only link to Toei is the name Dragonball in the title.", "Hey I’ll have you know that underage boys are also sexualized", "That makes me wonder. How did CrunchyRoll survive? They were the best place to watch illegal copies of Anime for years. A few years after I stopped watching anime I started seeing ads for them. They had gone legit.", "siskel and ebert were provided PR clips from the studios. They were not ripping DVDs and editing their shit together on a copy Windows Movie Maker. Their program had nothing at all even remotely to do with fair use... ugh. There's a reason why corporate sponsored \"reviewers\" don't get sued, but 2 Dudes on Public Access do.\n\nYou're seriously comparing a corporate, syndicated entity like S&E with a youtuber? LOL.\n\nYou can't just say \"transformative and thus fair use\" without substantiating it. It is also a vague, not-specifically-defined state of media, which requires judgment to establish. Not someone \"saying it is.\"\n\nThere is a massive difference between even a dud review on S&E (which made it to many millions of eyeballs in print and on screen) and someone using extended clips of a copyrighted property to \"discuss it.\"", "But they're not false until you go to court and establish that. Guess who wins that battle.", "That's because Japan and IP is fucking terrible. It's insane on how hard it is to watch a music video out of Japan. Yet they steal and never credit western music in their hugely popular dramas. It's idk how they get away with the shit they do tbh.", "Sure, and every media company that has their content posted on youtube without their permission can sue youtube. \n\nAnd that is why centralized entities for this are a bad idea, too many pressure points to exploit.", "They also have something called Portrait Rights where individuals or companies can own the complete rights to a persons image, which leads to some weird shit where you have websites or articles about people and events with no useful photos because the legality and trouble of getting permission makes it hard.\n\nSimilar ownership of rights and privacy laws make filming in Japan tough, which is why so many TV shows are filmed in the middle of nowhere like ontop of cliffs overlooking the ocean, abandoned locations, quarries, etc because there are no difficulties with people, buildings, brand images etc being in the background and requiring additional paperwork.", "lol sue the company that you're infringing for damages.", "YT sucks.", "Man, that's just insanity in a can.", "That really depends. It's not easy to meet that definition, you know why movie review sites are mostly text or video of someone just sitting in a space with very little shown of the movie, bits from the trailer at most?\n\nBecause it's difficult to argue you're being transformative when all you've done is layer your points over the IP itself. It could easily live on its own without that commentary and oh look it's the IP.\n\nIt's incredibly hard to meet fair use. In all likelihood just by statistics it's incredibly unlikely the OP was under it.", "Can people who spout this nonsense put the TINIEST amount of critical thinking in so people can actually discuss the issue instead of spouting bullshit just to hype the angry mob?\n\n\nSay YouTube wakes up tomorrow and wants the absolute best for their creators cost be damned. How do you review every piece of copyright claimed content? Excluding the process of determining who is correct or not, how much time would it take just to review every disputed video? On top of that copyright is vague, sometimes permission is given by people who dont have the authority to give permission, and YouTube has obligation to look like they respond to copyright claims.\n\n\nIt is not Youtubes job to be every channel's legal department. The resources to \"investigate them properly\" is near impossible without severely limiting the amount of content uploaded to Youtube", "No they don't, as that hasn't been established at all. He can't just declare that, nor can you. TOEI thinks they don't. I can declare that they currently do not, because it hasn't been proven yet.", "I hate to have to say this all the time, but this is also very much protecting him (mostly because it protects them). Copy right is a bitch and is very unfavorable to you if you don't instantly respond to a claim. \n\nIf they didn't they'd probably be instantly sued and even a small win would be a huge money loss, and they would probably sue the creator too. Copyright is both good and bad.\n\nI do think it's kinda funny that people think if there was a competitor it'd be different, likely not as once you get big enough to matter you literally have to have a \"claim favored content ID match system\" or live in legal hell.", "How can anyone ever be misconstrued but by failing to make themselves clear?\n\nAnd since I failed to make myself clear, I’m asking if you’re trying to make a normative or legal argument.", "It's because it's an irrelevant, victim blaming stance, when the interesting discussion is about how the system works, and not some sort of shitskull declaration of risk assessment or how it is bad", "The real solution is to have real repercussions for companies that abuse the copyright strike system. Get strikes overturned 3 times and you either have to pay for the people to review the content like this or lose access to the system. \n\nIf the people eating the cost aren't Google but those that abuse the system, then it might be an effective deterrent.", "But it's Christmas.", "Yeah, because when you make your own website you suddenly become immune to rule of law", "I bet this is what's going on.", "That's not a reason not to do it. \nNot everyone would have to go to court, there would be some losses from those putting out false claims and they'd end up reducing the number of claims they made. It's preventative.", "Didn't see that there, but you can't just declare you're a \"critic\" and your entire body of work is 1 or 2 IPs where you feature and showcase massive amounts of footage without permission.", "Maybe YouTube will refund his entrance fee. Oh wait.", "If people want a true competitor to YouTube, they'd have to pay to use it, right off the bat and hope that millions more would do the same.\n\nEither that or hope another corporation can provide the funding and hope that they won't have the same flaws as YouTube but they'll most likely would.", "great! Then i'm sure you'll still watch the videos when they contain zero imagery or footage owned by TOEI, right? Him just talking into the camera about his thoughts, analysis and interpretation of the stories he reads/watches.\n\nLOL geddafuckouttahere", "Korea seems to understand this better than Japan. Viki for kdramas, and Webtoon for manhua both operate under the idea of providing as much content to the world for as cheap as possible, offering a subscription but making it possible to watch for free by using ads or offsetting costs with fastpass on webtoon to read ahead. Then they allow the community to fan sub the content.\n\nSome translators might get pissed that the people subbing the content aren’t getting paid or paid well, but I’ve always seen it as something that was going to happen anyway on black market, so allowing fan subs to exist in an official capacity seems like the best compromise.", "Because you essentially want to drag Google into your legal battles to fight in your place?\n\nLike, sorry, but we are way past the point where small content creators, that rely on skirting around fair use and goodwill of material copyright owners, are required for YouTube to survive", "That's absolutely ridiculous. Copyrighted IP applies to \"fan games\" as well. Go ahead and make Shitskull Mario Brother game, see what happens.\n\nYour silly interpretation of fair use has a fatal flaw that always comes up in these torturous pseudodiscussions that all revolve around \"why can't i just have free stuff...\" that it NEEDS TO BE ESTABLISHED IN COURT.", "ThemTube", "I don't want Youtube to sink I just want it fixed.", "What the fuck is this pivot? \n\non a thread about copyright: \"we need an alternative to youtube\" \n\ngets proven how it wouldn't work\n\n\"oh i'm just saying in general, youtube needs competition\"", "yes, drawing copyrighted characters for money.", "Ffffttffy g\nyggfc", "I remember G+ and Hangouts", "It's still floating through space on the same spaceship it never left.", "exactly, but you're also arguing with an obvious shill for the channel who doesn't give a shit about content creators rights while arguing that someone who \"modifies/transforms/fairly uses\" needs protection. \n\nIt's the definition of hypocrisy.", " Renaissance Pictures (Evil Dead) gave me a copyright strike for reviewing Within The Woods, an unreleased short from 1978 that no one is making money on. \n\nI even said I liked the short, but they don't care. \n\nYoutube gives you two options: email the company or start a lawsuit. There's nothing like a Youtube Creator Advocate to step in and say \"Yeah you clearly are reviewing the video and your audio is totally original in the entire video... No strike needed.\"\n\nThe email address on Youtube for the company is some nobody on IMDB that worked as a PA to Sam Raimi. So yeah, Sam Raimi's coffee boy tried to ruin my Youtube channel. \n\nIf you get 3 of strikes, they delete your channel. \n\nYou're using footage from something you're reviewing? Fuck you! Sigh", "A lot of you weebs are pretty contraian huh?", "thats only because those old dudes dont know how internet works", "I must be missing something, because asking for an alternative to something is the same exact thing as saying it should have competition.\n\nI mean break this down for me, how can anything have competition if there are no alternatives to it?", "These people are fucking clueless \n\n\nthey basically find popular anime/games, then try to monetize videos by talking/reviewing them \n\n\nthey never bother with getting lawyers with legal stuff, they never bother with contacting the company and getting the okay from them, they just pump out long videos blatantly using copyrighted material and then act surprise when they get in trouble for it \n\n\nand then they lash out like the victim when it's literally their own damn fault for trying to make a living off other people's work lol", "Literally the same logic I used on my father who was against legalizing marijuana.\n\nHim: \"If they had a way to test how high you were while driving, I'd be okay with it.\"\n\nMe: \"Why would they develop that test or even attempt to when there's no reason?\"\n\nDidn't work on him, luckily the rest of Oregon agreed with me, better luck for you, though!", "I loved his channel, love his content. But no way would I base my livelihood on a business model that relies on other people's intellectual copyright. \n\nThere's this channel called Comics Explained that is literally a guy showing consecutive comic book pages, almost panel by panel as he narrates the action shown in screen. \n\nFair use is ultimately something that has to be proven in court. \n\nImagine building a business around a product that may or may not have to be validated in court on a per-case basis.\n\nCrazy.", "I think you vastly misunderstand the ecosystem of your list and the current ecosystem of modern platforms. Those sites used to be SMALL potatoes. Where they popular? Hell yeah, but the number of actual traffic those sites got pale in comparison to the modern platform traffic. Mobile devices have made these tools complete parts of our lives. Myspace was cool, but YouTube literally gets more views than all other media outlets in the world.", "Okay, \"competition\" is mis-wording it, but once again, how would any alternative avoid the same rules of safe harbor that youtube faces?", "Then that's 20 year bonus + Disney's everlasting copyright extensions. Japan has plenty of time to make money on everything anime. They should relax.", "Wah, wah, wah; YouTube took my videos down, wah.\n\nYou chose to use their service and abide by their rules, mate -- they can do pretty much whatever the fuck they want.\n\nAnd you're acting like all your videos are lost. If you don't have back ups, then that's on you.\n\nIf you don't like doing business with YouTube, find another streaming service to upload them to. This is a much more effective solution than WHINING ABOUT IT ON THE VERY PLATFORM YOU THINK WRONGED YOU.", "Monetized youtube creators caused the downfall of youtube quality and content. People stopped uploading videos because of (insert reason here), and it became people shoveling as many monetized videos as they could to increase their wallet. They turned to youtube as a full time job, instead of looking for other meaningful work. If you want to work for Google, go work for Google - instead of shoveling non-stop monetized videos only for the sake of monetization. Don't get me wrong, there are great content creators, and some that don't care that their videos are de-monetized.", "You don't care about this and yet here you are crying over it. Get a grip.", "Japan has no fair use laws", "Some of the most pirated content was Japanese Anime especially in the early 80s with VHS. They've had so much practice in fighting bootlegs and fan content its practically automatic now.", "It probably was a separate department. Marketing talked to him about the promo, and someone in else found his channel and type DragonBall Z and One Piece in the search and flagged each one.", "lol", "Once again, you don't think that Youtube needs competition? You think it's fine that there is no alternative to Youtube?", "Too big to care.\n\nThere's a threshold where a company has zero interest in grassroots banter.", "Easy, copyright claimants should have to pony up money to make a copyright claim. They should have to pay Youtube to get Youtube to review the material and see if it's legitimate or not. You'd see a stark drop in these awful claims where video content is matched because someone dared to use a video of what they're reviewing in their 100% original review.\n\nOr, creators should be able to pay for a service to have a Youtube Advocate defend them if they get a copyright claim/strike put on them. \n\nI'd pay, just to defend my work. I put so much time and effort into Youtube, I don't make a dime, and I slowly am building my channel, but it can all go away tomorrow if someone makes a strike on me versus just ASKING me to take something down quietly.\n\nIt's bullshit.", "You are correct. The American citizen doesn't have to follow Japanese law. But that's not what this is about. This is about YouTube/Google.\n\nAll a Japanese copyright holder has to do is convince a Japanese court that YouTube has caused some form of damage to them. This could be from hosting content that violates copyright law in Japan. That Japanese court can then order YouTube to pay damages. If YouTube wants to operate in Japan, they have to pay or remove the offending content.\n\nThese things happen for a reason. YouTube removed this content for this exact reason. That doesn't mean this is the way things should be, far from it. But it is the way things currently are.", "Oh so he got an offer to work for them directly? Because James aint this evil.", "Yahoo would be a better example", "wait really? thought it was the bad netcode and covid that did numbers on it", "Almost like there is a lot more things beyond \"host videos on server lol\"\n\nWhich at YT scale isn't trivial either, you know", "I can agree with you that youtube shouldn't be a monopoly while still calling out rhetoric.\n\nThis is a thread about copyright systems on youtube. \n\nYour comment would be assumed to attack youtube on these grounds, yet now you just argue about how youtube needs alternatives outside of copyright", "How dare these people use the material they're reviewing in their videos!! Monsters!!", "It's far and away from the best possible system. No way in hell. There's so many small, easy changes they could make to improve it.", "Then they're stupid because that's how they went global.", "Well, yeah, that's because most of them are first party games that Nintendo wanted to double dip, now that WiiU died after 4 years and no real seller other than usual Mario/Smash", "B-b-but they're original \"video essays\"...!", "My comment was that Youtube needs alternatives. Your response to me insinuated that you don't in fact think Youtube needs alternatives, and we should all be fine with content creators only having Youtube to rely upon.\n\nI just don't trust Youtube and Youtube alone knowing how to best deal with copyright strikes in regards to fair use. Content creators need at least one other platform operating on the same scale.", "Toei is a bitch company. They've taken down several of my anime review videos. Some of them, I can understand- I used overlong clips with no talking over it- but others I edited pretty tightly and still lost. This is why even though I still have some videos on Toei anime up, I've decided to largely stop reviewing Toei titles.", "What did Oda say? I can’t imagine him saying anything bad about anybody", "I wonder if a case could be made that by letting \"chosen\" sites slide, they are forfeiting their right to fight every other site. Obviously companies can threaten suits and file against anyone they want, even if they're in the wrong, but I'd be curious to see how that case turned out if someone made that argument.", "Rumble is the next Youtube. Does everything Youtube does (mostly) and no censorship bs.", "Everything I've ever heard about Japan sounds (mostly) amazing...except the horrendous work culture. Just everyone expected to live and die for the well being of their employer. Belch, gross.", "Sure. There are improvements. But the over-all system that they have? The basis of this system? That allows this guy to upload his content and not get sued to the ground based on actual laws? \n\nYoutube, functionally, is a back alley handshake that people who own copyright won't sue youtube, and people who upload to youtube, as long as they get to remove or control their content as they see fit. \n\n\nAre there ways to _improve_ youtube? Of course. If you think you can _make a competing product_ you're ignorant, insane or a multi-billionaire.", "I recall that Angry Joe was going to make a table top game with DBZ miniatures, and had been working with Toei for awhile with it, while finishing up the Street Fighter game he made. Then all of sudden it was canceled, because Toei would only give him the rights to a single DBZ arc for the game. Meaning it wouldn't be able to have the full roster of DBZ characters that people have come to expect for anything DBZ related now a days. Apparently that's how they treat all this stuff now a days.", "Ok.", "They don't cater to creators, they cater to advertisers.", "Again, they're stupid.", "It's an important discussion because people make this mistake a LOT.", "Shouldn't Youtube stand behind their customers and creators vs bending over to a foreign entity?", "I dont Watch anime but this Is fucked up\n\nI hope he wins", "You read my comment, and then completely lost the plot.\n\nMy point is, _fan games HAVE NO LEGAL PROTECTION_ there is _no_ \"fair use\" argument for a fan game, which is why the comment I was replying to was fucking stupid. There might, or might not, be fair use arguments for this individuals content. (I've never watched his channel, I have no clue). \n\nYou're agreeing with me you just can't read well enough to see it.\n\n\nAs for your last bit of drivel, yes. That's how youtube works. It bypasses standard fair use legal cases, and allows people to do pretty much whatever they want, with a side effect of _this_ being what a lot of corporations _want_ . And it then goes back to the old fashioned legal system if the content creator thinks they have reasonable fair use arguments. \n\nPlease, learn to read.", "Why does Youtube stand for this? Don't the creators of the video operate out of a US jurisdiction that should protect their citizens?", "This is far from a Toei specific problem, but look at how Team Four Star was treated despite doing more to keep the love for Dragon Ball alive than they ever did for a long, long time. Funimation, apparently, was fine with them though.\n\nCompanies only care about the bottom line. Torrent shows, support your favourite content creators.", "> gone-straight Crunchyroll\n\nThose fucking backstabbing assholes, I could write a whole lot about that particular time and how I got friends that were almost in handcuffs cause of them.", "He claimed that Stephen Colbert used DBZ clips and Toei didn't go after him, even thought Colbert has an entire legal team at his disposal that can get the needed permissions and be able to defend against a claim. \n\nI'm pretty sure he can't afford the same legal department as the one Colbert and CBS have", "This has been going on for years.\n\nI mean, I totally sympathize, but youtube isn't going to change. Copyright holders aren't going to change.\n\nYou are putting your life in the hands of people who don't care about you when you become a youtube creator. This has been known for many years.\n\nIt sucks, but it kinda feels like \"I make my money by playing in traffic. Won't somebody please stop cars from hitting me?\"\n\nYou should have seen this coming a long time ago and financially prepared for it.", "Someone needs to bring a suite going after YouTube for lost revenue incurred due to the claims process...", "Man this is genuinely upsetting in terms of youtube creators. I found his videos more recently and really appreciated his deep dives into narratives, characters, and themes. Bro's got a real passion it sounds like from his other videos for this stuff. Hella fucked up this is happening to him. His stuff inspired me to go back and watch Dragonball and stuff again after mostly just watching abridged and super the last few years. I was wondering why his latest video was on the Rami Spider-man movies.", "Yeah, I don't think gives a damn about anime's success elsewhere in the world.", "Eh as it is with anime fans, you're just getting overemotional weeb drama instead of real information. None of what he said is true at all.\n\nToei wasn't the one who pulled the plug on those tournaments and [they confirmed as much](https://www.altchar.com/game-news/toei-claims-they-arent-forcing-dbfz-out-of-esports-atD4K7s8nw2D). All the rumours that it was Toei just sprang up on Twitter by some screeching anime fans, and those same people then turned to Shueisha instead to keep the rage train going. It was all unsubstantiated bullshit and conspiracy theories.\n\nThe truth is we have no idea what happened with DBFZ getting pulled out of those three tournaments. Could be the IP holders, could be the tournament organizers, could be a petty fight or a payment issue or marketing change.\n\nAnd it wasn't \"most of every tournament\". It was just 3, and all in December. And two of them were obscure anime tournaments and the last was EVO Japan which, frankly, isn't that big of a deal in the FGC world.\n\nThe reason DBFZ fell from prominence so hard and fast was because of COVID. COVID forced DBFZ's scene into its online and the delay based net code killed it. And not only did the game see a mass exodus of professional and casual players, but Arcsys' 3 teams were already stretched thin between so many projects (Granblue, DnF, Strive, etc.) that working from home crippled their output.\n\nSo DBFZ is a bad example. It didn't die because of anime politics. It died because of shitty netcode.", "Very happy to see Totally Not Mark's video gaining traction. I was halfway through showing my brother his One Piece review series. All of his videos are incredibly well done. As a massive fan of Berserk, I highly recommend you check out his ongoing review series of that manga. Especially now, since we don't know how long it will stay up.", "We really need a video website that is not subject to American copyright laws. I don’t know how it will happen but the way it is right now on YouTube feels so much worse than it used to be and somehow it keeps getting worse every so often. I’ve seen dozens of channels absolutely wasted by YouTube’s nonsense.", "Curating? Nah, he's just biggest channel that has biggest bulk of music uploaded", "Yeah [none of that is true](https://www.altchar.com/game-news/toei-claims-they-arent-forcing-dbfz-out-of-esports-atD4K7s8nw2D).\n\nIt wasn't Toei. Nobody even knows if it was IP related. It could just as well be Bandai shifting their marketing schedules. Or a dispute with the tournament organizers. Or a magic fucking genie. We have no idea.\n\nWhat we do know is all the Toei nonsense came from randoms on twitter making shit up.", "> and actually work to help it's creators.\n\nWhy? they have no reason to, youtube is becoming more and more homogenized to the clickbait content farms that are around due to kids spending hours in front of a tablet as a babysitter.", "With the way that youtube actually works? The sheer number of users, and the semi-random nature of youtube viewership in general? \n\nLegitimately doubt it would be a notable dip in traffic.", ".01% of .03%?", "Time to get over to other platforms. [Odysee.com](https://Odysee.com) has been backing up youtube users entire channels in case this happens.", "Any licensed merchandise also works toward that goal so it's not hard at all to imagine the average person owning something One Piece or DragonBall.", "I know a guy who worked in Japan for 18 months. He ended up losing a dangerous amount of weight, near suicidal and had to abandon his job, tiny apartment across a pachinko parlor and his drinking and smoking habits and came back to America. He's mostly fine now but is really racist when it comes to Japan.", "I'm really dumb and don't know anything about these laws, but why can't these laws be applied to the countries where these companies are claiming them from? Like claim all revenue or make the videos unavailable in that country. In this case, Toei is Japanese, so why not just remove the revenue/video from Japanese viewers once it's claimed?", "https://odysee.com/", "Also Legal Eagle has talked about this several times:\n\nOne example:\n\nhttps://youtu.be/hygoLKXsUY4?t=174\n\n(relevant time stamp IMO for people reading this whole thread to listen to)\n\nOP needs to get a lawyer involved. It might suck, but they likely can pursue a more complete solution.", "????????? \"free marketing\" is what he's describing", "It is a fantastic place to either visit, or work in while employed by a foreign company (I've done a fair bit of uni work in Japan while employed by my 'home' uni in Australia and the UK, and while you are always and obviously an outsider, it frees you up from having to play by their fucked up rules). It is by all accounts a disgusting place to live. The patriarchal ancestor-worship permeates a lot more than just working for the benefit of your employer, from respecting your parents whether they deserve it or not, respecting people who have been in an organisation longer than you, and in particular respecting older men. This also has an impact on their treatment of women, which is often on display in anime. The culture is shifting due to outside influence, thankfully - but slowly.", "I think the person you are replying to is arguing just for the sake of arguing - take a quick glance at their profile and the entire first page and some of the second page of their comments are all attacking people in this threads comments.", ">All a Japanese copyright holder has to do is convince a Japanese court that YouTube has caused some form of damage to them. This could be from hosting content that violates copyright law in Japan. That Japanese court can then order YouTube to pay damages. If YouTube wants to operate in Japan, they have to pay or remove the offending content.\n\nLike I said, worst case scenario is a geoblock, which already happens for this exact reason. YouTube is fully within its rights (and ability) to host content in accordance with local copyright laws, as they already do, and a Japanese court won't award damages when no law was broken. You can't argue in court that someone else's completely legal actions which ostensibly cost you money entitle you to compensation. It'd be really funny if you could, Ford could sue GM for simply selling cars, since they're causing them undue costs and damaging their business.\n\nYouTube has to follow Japanese law in Japan, not in the US. They can remove these videos for Japanese viewers, or technically, just from their Japanese servers, and that's as far as the arm of the Japanese legal system reaches.\n\nI mean, this is fundamentally the entire backstory to the Piratebay story. American companies really wanted to get rid of them, but they got BTFO'd every single time. Eventually they got them on some vague catch-all technicality, but it took years, and many, many tries and failures.\n\n>These things happen for a reason.\n\nYes: YouTube doesn't benefit from defending fair use, so they kowtow to the copyright owners instead of supporting their ostensible bread-and-butter creators and users. But that has nothing to do with legal obligation. We've covered this already.", "He needs to get a lawyer. \n\nhttps://youtu.be/hygoLKXsUY4?t=174\n\nListen from that timestamp and for another 60 seconds or so.\n\nIf he's had his income stripped it is worth hiring a lawyer. I know it sucks, but there is a possibility to get his fees paid for by the other party if he is in the right. \n\nIt's going to take people pursuing real counterclaims to clean this up. And yes, that means, lawyer up.", "I don't understand the end of your story. You defied them and made it worse and they were OK with it?", "Money. They got big enough to get fuck you money, went for a deal, and got it.", ">And this is a gross exaggeration and not how it works at all. I've disputed multiple claims at once. The reason why you \"shouldn't\" do that is strike management. IE, don't do more than a few at a time otherwise risk getting those strikes. At some point you want to maintain the option to NOT dispute to avoid strike potential.No, and he said you can only do ONE at a time, which is wrong. You can do all of them at once, go right ahead. And when you get simultaneous multiple strikes, it's your own fault.\n\nYou fault the video for saying you can only do one at a time, but you're agreeing in theory you probably should, due to strike management. Kinda weird and a weak argument from your point.\n\nGranted there's some more nuance there, but he was dumbing it down for the average viewer. Given he makes more than you off videos, I'm confident he knows the system. Is he stretching the truth? Yes, but you normally see this kind of thing when you make a video for a wide audience.\n\nUnless you're advocating for him to go ahead and dispute all 155 at once? What about 3 at once? It still is 52 1/3 full rotations to clear it out. 5 at once? 31 full rotations. What's your point here other than to try and weasel an argument based solely on semantics? This is intentionally glossed over in your reply. \"Oh he can do multiple at once! And look, 60% dispute claims go in favor of the uploader!\". The video even shows that Mark isn't worried about winning these disputes. He's worried about how much time it'll take to get them all back while still managing his strikes.\n\nAnd for the people who can't actually read between the lines: he's saying how abusive this system is that allows a company to knowingly flag 155 videos, then put them through the wringer to keep the videos off youtube for as long as possible, before not even disputing in the final stage. Which is something you also intentionally glossed over, either ignorantly at best or maliciously at worst. Your statistic doesn't necessarily go against. % of claims resolved in favor of the uploader is the wrong metric to look at for this argument, but you knew that as well. At least understand the argument before bringing up statistics, yeah?\n\nHurp durp indeed.", "and people keep making fun of NFTs and web 3.0. This . . . but they are literally the solution. Lets get moving content. Lets go. Lets get content on LPT, lets do it. Lets move off these shit platforms.", "That’s not actually what happened, AFAIK; Chris Sabat and Funimation love DBZA, so they hooked up TFS to do that cameo in Kai. However, by letting a bit of it leak in the Toonami promos beforehand, Toei found out and shitcanned it, forcing Funimation to switch out the cameo with an old dub right before the episode aired.\n\nAlso that one time Toei lawyers tried to shut down TFS’s booth for selling T-shirts at an anime con some time ago…but IDK what went down there.", "Username checks out 😉", "This is why Jim that one YouTuber just cross links and uses all sorts of imagery and sound so that many companies file copyright claims so nobody gets the money and the video doesn't get taken down cuz YouTube doesn't really know who the real owner is", "Having a discussion with people isn't crying. You on the other hand are very angry that I said some negative things about your anime man and you are having a meltdown. Go get your meds adjusted. They aren't working anymore.", "But Totally Not Mark does in-depth anime and manga reviews, not fandubs?", "unfortunately I doubt it ever will, youtube is just too widespread across the globe for someone to organize a boycott big enough to actually make them listen, our only hope would be for some sort of competitor but many have tried and failed in the past", "What does that have to do with anything?", "As mad as these pricks make me by claiming a review where I'm telling people to buy their merch, I can say fuck 'em and move on. It's much worse for this guy whose livelihoods depends on these assholes. The only solution is having your own site.", "My bad if that wasn't clear. The region lock to anywhere outside of USA or Canada was going to remain no matter what I did. Censored or not. \n\nSo I uploaded it without any visual impairment for the sake of copyright or cuts in the action since it was all the same to the copyright claim they originally made.", "Disgusting corporate greed. Rich dickheads who taint the world of art.", "Yeah, saying youtube gamers sunk the WiiU gives WAYYY too much credit to Nintendo.", "What is this boomer shit", "Nah it doesn't matter if this guy livelihood is ruined. Is more important to fixed the dislike button right guy?\n\nSaid youtube", "I don't think they owe them anything either. I think a neutral stance would suffice. But they're hostile.", "Investigation and other stuff will obviously take resources and we'll need much better solutions but if an intern from Toei can flag 150 videos in a few hours then for a start YouTube should at the very least give an option for the creators to act back.\n\nEdit: which they won't, but that's show it should have been", "People need to sue the fuck out of toei. They’ve needed a SERIOUS vibe check for almost a decade", "And to think that it may only get fixed with the release of a sequel…which doesn’t seem to be happening any time soon…\n\nWhat the hell is happening to Dragon Ball content?", "> Any company would rather only deal with 3 large, well established companies with a proven track record of \"following the rules\" with reviews\n\nThen don't be hypocritical fuckbags and approach these same \"independent contractors\" to help you promote your content on the side if you don't want them to work on your material.", "The fundamental problem here is that YouTube does more than the law requires, and in favor of the copyright owner, not the content creator.\n\nYouTube could do less while still satisfying its § 512 obligations and essentially removing itself from the copyright dispute process. All it needs to do is keep a framework in place for DMCA Notice and Counter Notice. After a Counter Notice is filed it should restore access in the statutory period unless the copyright holder files a lawsuit. This would require morons like Toei to expend legal resources to specifically prosecute people it alleges are violating its copyright. In the short term, this is bad for content creators because - lawsuits. In the long term, this will probably give us more Fair Use caselaw, which at present is lacking.\n\nThere are many other ways YouTube could work on behalf of creators without paying their legal bills. Lobbying to statutorily enshrine legal consequences for false DMCA takedowns (including those that target journalists and reviewers) would be a good place to start.", "good old bulk torrent files still work like a charm, so long as the first seeder gets it started the files can't be stopped.", "It’s a really weird feeling when can you sympathize with someone who’s sitting in front of a collection worth more than you’ve made in your adult life. However, having watched his stuff and knowing he’s earned it, this is a travesty in a high regard. Gimme that dbz though", "Oh no, nothing bad.\n\nHe highlighted Youtubers and theories and just talked about how he doesn't watch them because he doesn't want to be tempted to skip story beats since theory crafters have figured out future One Piece story points.\n\nThen this happened like soooon after.", "Yeah DBFZ was huge for two years on Twitch. I think it was more burnout and stale meta that killed it’s popularity", "I'm a huge TNM fan. I've watched every one of his Dragon Ball related videos. They do not infringe upon copyright. His series are similar to the breakdowns done by Wisecrack, but for anime, and at the very worst they fall under Fair Use in America (where YT is).", "YouTube follows DMCA when they want, and defies it when they want. But one part of DMCA indemnifies them if they pass along all copyright claims and force you to dispute them.\n\nNow, obviously, this is abused. So YouTube also chooses to ignore DMCAs from the little guys (so your indie DMCA can get ignored - even though the law says YouTube can't not act on it).\n\nAny company with a law firm, they will honor it - because if they don't, YouTube can get sued.\n\nNow if you burn $25,000 to sue Google, then you'll get whitelisted and can take down all the videos you want with DMCAs.\n\nBasically money talks. If you want to be a YouTube star, and determined to play to win, you need $100,000 in reserve cash and a law firm ready to show YT/Google that fighting you is more costly than not.\n\nDon't like that? Spend more time on upstart platforms and vote with your time and wallet.", "Ah, I see. I assumed that the stakes were on-the-internet or not. I understand a little more now about the different kinds of results these things can have. Thanks for the clarification!", "I'm honestly surprised they where able to keep the mask on so long", "MrBallen's videos are great to not watch. I like to listen as I fall asleep, I never feel like I missed anything because the visuals usually don't matter.", ">It really just keeps things simple and predictable, something companies do enjoy.\n\nSadly true. If you want to make money in content, go work a few years and get $100k of standby capital.\n\nNot kidding. Just standby cash to send a message that takedowns won't work and to whitelist you. A few civil actions in court, even if they close, makes the response letters stand out (\"if you have doubts, see the last four cases we took to court\"). Law firms take notice of that, quickly.\n\nIf you want to do things \"for fun\" - it's time for more platforms. YouTube for that is over.", "How could NFTs and Web 3.0 prevent these kind of things from happening?", "Rokfin has been a good alternative for niche topics. Wish more content creators would use it. I also recently started to find Odysee has a few topics I like them for as well.", "Video essays don't need copyrighted material. You're right.\nIt's too bad 99% of video essays out there use copyrighted material.", ">Even someone with a normal job should try diversifying their income, like investing on something, trying some other projects, having a small side business, etc.\n\nWhat kind of fucking world do you live in where that is remotely viable for the vast majority of people working a full time job? Please tell me because I want to live in that hyper-idealized world.", "talking over clips isnt a replacement for the property", "they do though. He lost so much of the revenue he worked hard for overnight just because toei likes harassing creators", "they dont though, they are just a bonus", "honestly...yeah. I like hearing his thoughts and opinions", "People should move away from YouTube to a different platform. Effe them", "Why do we still use YouTube?", "i was saying how a non replacement would get copyrighted would be stupid", "This will not stop. I suggest you give up. Sad but true", "i do give a damn about rights and marks videos definitely transform the material. If i wanted to watch hunter x hunter, i would watch it not marks reviews which i watched after i finished the actual show", "Start spamming Toei with [Movie Thief](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/movie-thief) memes?", "I think Nintendo stopped, didn't they?\n\nJapanese companies are hard headed as fuck sometimes.", "the ol' Tube actin up", "Don't forget about SEGA. Took down a ton of videos (and entire channels) for playing and reviewing their games starting around 2012, leading to TotalBiscuit's boycott of their games lasting years.", "Technically speaking, there's nothing illegal in the US about making and selling fan art because copyright isn't enforced criminally", "Honestly hope 3D printing absolutely obliterates them in time.", "Toei also fucked over Dragon Ball Super HARD with incredibly inconsistent, bad animation. With all the spinoffs and bad games they keep pumping out it's pretty fucking clear their intent is to milk Dragon Ball for as much profit as possible while giving as little as they can. \n\nThey are even going Full CGI for the new movie because, guess what, CGI is cheaper than traditional animation. \n\nWe were lucky that as much of DBS: Broly was animated as incredibly well as it was and they are promising the return of DBS will have better animation and a clear stylization. Here's hoping its legit.", "You are correct! It is bullshit! I truly hope you manage to get your livelihood back. \n\nBy the way! I miss the UK and with the increase in gun violence I am often frightened and find myself contemplating applying for dual citizenship with England.", "if i wanted to watch dragon ball i would actually watch it not reviews of it where people talk over clips of it in the background", "Career …. Life’s work …. Lmfao", "But does the law prevent multiple counter claims at once?\n\nAs this seems to me like a pretty straight forward (in a legal sense) claim which involves multiple videos but the claimant and defendant are the same for each and every one.\n\nThat sounds like it should be possible to lump it as a single case to at least expedite it.\n\nThe one claim at a time part is what fucks big channels and cripples them with zero repercussions, really.", "what is one piece, i see that on reddit a lot. is it an anime or a game", "> That allows this guy to upload his content and not get sued to the ground based on actual laws? \n\nFair use isn't Youtube....\n\nReviews have been legal for ages, for example. And it's nigh impossible to run reviews without using copyright under fair use.", "Fair use isn't youtube. \n\nNot having to _prove_ fair use very much is. \n\nMajor newspaper/TV/etc companies deal with this shit with _lawyers_ every other month, in court rooms. \n\nYoutube sidesteps that process for the vast majority of it's users, that can't _afford_ lawyers.", "I think you're misunderstanding. The $40 isn't primarily meant to penalize the company. The important part of the proposal was that Youtube would have one of it's own people make a determination on the video as to the validity of the copyright claim.\n\nThe $40 may have a minor incentive not to mass-spam spurious copyright claims, but the more important part is that it directly provides the money to pay for the humans to watch the video and reach judgement.\n\nFigure standard video length is 20 minutes. Have three separate people independently review it and a required provided original source material, then make a decision. That's ~3 man hours. So I'd suggest upping the cost to ~$60 per video.\n\nThe point is just to make the cost provide sustainable revenue to directly fund Fair use reviewers. Of course, in reality all the money just goes into a big pot and if youtube doesn't do this already, they wouldn't do it even with a cash incentive, so this idea is probably DoA. But in theory it has merit - it's a direct funding of a much more fair and expedited process, ensuring a sustainable turnaround time of only a few days. It's not meant to solve the problem just by charging money for the strike.", "I've had similar issues with copyright trolls [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq0sIQcHZVE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mq0sIQcHZVE) I even had a war with my old network when AT&t bought fullscreen and started actively destroying copyright laws and YouTube in the process.", "in no small part thanks to you! /s", "Woah. That's pretty insane, were there any other creators who also had this happen to them as well? Or is it possibly coming? There are a lot of youtuber's who cover Toei anime, so I'm wondering if he was targeted or if other people are next. There are A LOT of lessons to be learned here. Very sad.", "He is literally asking people to boycott it, so fuck it I’m game", "Pentax was making the LX, a legendary, full-manual SLR up until the 2000s. Only sold in Japan. You couldn't order it from Western distributors. \n\n\"No,\" said Pentax, \"Silly gaijin don't want those.\"\n\n\"We've got a guy who wants it. Got cash and everything.\"\n\n\"No, he doesn't.\" \n\nMy favourite was when I was working for a Sony Store in Australia. \n\nWe were required, by Sony themselves, to have a full-on home theatre room setup with their absolute top-of-the-line SS-AR speakers, the ones made, by hand, in Japan, from hand-laminated maple and spruce, with ScanSpeak drivers handmade in Denmark. [Here's the page for SS-AR front LR speakers. Note the RRP.](http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/ar-speakers/SS-AR1.php) \n\nAlso require were high-end projectors, amps, and Blu-Ray players.\n\nLiterally none of these were available to buy in Australia. \n\n\"Here's our Sony high-end home theatre room.\" \n\n\"Oh, cool. So, if I get a guy who wants the best, how do I turn it all on?\"\n\n\"You won't. You don't.\"\n\n\"I don't- I don't follow.\"\n\n\"We don't actually sell this stuff. You can't buy this stuff in Australia, at all.\"\n\n\"Why not?\"\n\n\"We can't actually sell this stuff.\" \n\n\"What?\"\n\n\"Sony won't ship this out to us. They won't sell it to us to sell on to a customer.\"\n\n\"Er...what? Why?\"\n\n\"No idea.\"\n\n\"Then why is it here?!\" It was a tiny shop, in the middle of the Brisbane CBD - dedicating a whole room for one single home theatre system we couldn't even sell was baffling.\n\n\"We have to have it set up. And on display. Sony just sent us all this out to put on display, as part of our contract to be a Sony Store. We have to have it here because about once a year a Sony rep comes around and has to sight it and note that it's working. That's the only reason we have it here.\"", "Video essays relying on clips of copyrighted material do not stand as \"transformative pieces\". There's literally no standing ground for channels like his, and to make it his livelihood when his family depends on him was incredibly naive. He needs to adapt into different content.", "Without YouTube, they'd just sue the creator. They've demonstrated they're not below doing it so without changing the DMCA, you'd just move the problem to an even more abusive/expensive legal system.", "Nah, dude. People don’t think YouTube shouldn’t have competition. The point is that any competitor will deal with the same crap YouTube does because it is inherent to being a video hosting website. When they respond to these pressures and incentives it’s going to be the same kinds of things that make people say there should be more competitive alternatives to YouTube. \n\n[Platforms aren’t your friend (15:47)](https://youtu.be/r3snVCRo_bI)", "tldw: \n\nGuy mad he can't make money fantasizing about waifus", ">Japan doesn't understand the power of free advertisement.\n\nNo surprise there, really. Japan is so ass backwards and stuck in teh past on so many issues, its mindboggling how it continues to function. They also stick their heads in teh sand on so many social issues.\n\nSource: Me who lives in Japan and works as an ALT and has many conversations with Japanese teachers who know they can talk freely with me, the foreigner who won't turn their asses in.", "It's a popular clothing brand that is famous for their GumGum shirts.", "Yeah everyone seems to think japan is this awesome futuristic place but some of there laws are the most backward things you can possibly imagine.", "Then his career wouldn't be over. Problem solved.", "And yet it's one of the most safest most beautiful countries in the world.", "Yeah, cartels are great for those in it", "even though he talks over all the clips and no one would think they have watched a show just from looking at silent clips", "And all for that magnificent competitive fighting game, Jump Force! It’s done so well that they removed it from the store just to stop it succeeding so hard", "I read earlier this year the Japanese govt was looking into laws to make cosplayers liable if they make $$ from their cosplay.", "You should have rented that space out as a personal theatre lol", "Years ago Nintendo showed up at a convention in London and told every seller who was selling nintendo based merchandise to cease and desist. Microsoft and Sony were there too, they actively encouraged sellers and gave them extra schwag.\n\nThe next year Nintendo wasn't invited.\n\nNot a big deal for them, but it's just another burned bridge\n\nBurn enough bridges and you don't have them when you need them. Nintendo has started to come around a little. \n\nBut the whole copyright situation on the internet is a shitshow, music and anime being the absolute worst. Eventually it will hit their earnings as competitors gain traction by not being shitty and letting word of mouth spread their brand online.", "Viz Media Struck a video they sponsored for a new Naruto game, for using clips of Naruto.\n\nThen rejected the appeal...\n\nSeriously, these companies have a fucking problem.", "Piracy is a service issue. Release it first or fans will do it for you.\n\nSimulcasts took ages to happen and is the main reason many series are not fan subbed. Though there are still some that don't get picked up by the streaming websites so fans still need to do the work to get it to a larger audience. \n\nThe anime industry exists because of fansubs. They started with fansubs on VHS and floppy disks. This conversation would not be possible with those original pioneers.", "Blockchains can't host large videos, so this guy is still borked. \n\nBut NFTs could entirely replace YouTube or Patreon's monetization models.\n\nExample: instead of relying on views for profit, you sell a tier of NFT images that directly support your videos. When people buy them, you get paid. Even if you get kicked off of your video platform.", "> Yeah but content creators sign up to this process when they decide to make a career on YouTube.\n\nDude, this is such a cop out argument.\n\nIt's like saying that min wage workers don't deserve better pay or working conditions because they know what they signed up for.\n\nYou're also forgetting that YouTube profits off these people, especially larger names. It's free because they are the product, and it's profitable to do so.\n\nWhat's bullshit is how slow the appeals process is for bulk reports, like this guy is pointing out. 37 years to appeal 155 videos claimed at once isn't a reasonable process in any form. And remember, each 2 month (potential) process leads to full legal action, something that's not affordable at that kind of scale for most, hell something that I'd wager any big name on the platform would just abandon for due to costs.\n\nIf Youtube wanted to give me a job to improve, I'm all down. But don't act like we should give them free shit that somehow counters their \"free\" shit they profit off of. Youtube takes risks for your uploads to be profitable enough to keep free. Streamlining and improving the appeals process would actually save money. I fail to see how a 37 year process that's managed by Google is cheaper than a bulk process for cases like these.\n\nThis is basic cost saving methods businesses employ, bulk processes for savings. \n\n>There is a reason that these content creators complain about, but never leave, YouTube, because the benefits are exponential compared to the downsides.\n\nThe single biggest is that Youtube is the biggest horse out there. You have to put up or leave the industry, in many cases. Patreon is even supporting a ton of youtubers now because of revenue streams being axed to make it unprofitable. Average youtubers make a lot less than you think my dude, especially for the work involved.", "That video was like 3x times longer than it should have been.", ">they never bother with contacting the company and getting the okay from them\n\nyou would get no response. And marks reviews are transformative in that they are character and writing analysis and also serve as free advertising", "What could possibly be the reason to copyright strike all the videos this man and his company worked hard on (entirely legal through fair use) other than to create insurmountably expensive legal roadblocks?", "bruh no. He didnt just upload clips", "Yeah absolutely, the only times you need to watch are the ones centred around creepy photos but even then you only need to look for a second or two", "I see.\n\nI’m pretty certain that, while the premise may be fairly interesting, the all-3D style ensures it’ll have nothing on the aesthetic and financial success of DBS: Broly. \n\nSo who’s down to torrent Super Hero in a year or two?", "he didnt show clips unedited and his videos are narrative analysis", "But YouTube does answer to their claimants, who are accustomed to operating according to Japanese law.", ">You chose to use their service and abide by their rules, mate -- they can do pretty much whatever the fuck they want.\n\n1984 and this is Toei not youtube", "I think you'll find the guidelines are clear. You don't use them. I'm making light of the situation of course but it's frustrating.", ">And you're acting like all your videos are lost. If you don't have back ups, then that's on you.\n\nhe literally said in this video that it would take him almost 30 years to get all his videos back", "which he didnt", "I mean thats not a new thing ... Anime companies have been doing that for ages . I wonder why people even bother releasing such themed content ... its a ticking time bomb .", "Youtube has no obligation to host or monetize your content. Why would any thinking person rely on YT that much?", "wow, just wow, what ignorance", "They constantly got fucked over by it. Their whole channel even got removed at one point, and it took intervention from YouTube after massive public outcry to restore it. Their constant copyright battles is one of the main reasons why they aren't continuing with DBZA.", "he never does that to, he writes great narrative and character analysis", "ignorance", "Oh, nononononononono. No.\n\nNo. Gosh, my heavens, no. How very dare- I mean, how could you even ASK such a thing?!?\n\nWe weren't meant to use it. It had to be kept in A1++++++++ tip-top spec condition. \n\nLike, the rep used to come around and go \"Is that a mark on the faceplate there?\" \n\nAnd we'd have no fucking idea because we never, ever went in that room. At all. Basically we switched on the light every second morning or so just to see if it was still there. \n\nOccasionally, we vacuumed the carpet.\n\n\"What if a customer sees that?\" \n\nAnd we'd roll our eyes. What customers? We don't show them this. What's the point? We're in the business of exchanging goods for money, not cock-teasing. \n\nIt felt like a massive loyalty test or something. \n\nYes. Sony shipped us out like $100,000AU worth of shit that can't even be sold in Australia.", "Nintendo backed away from their idiotic YouTube video policy, but are still hard headed as heck on a dozen other fronts. Particularly anything regarding online features.\n\nEdit: Corrected a typo.", "> But I still think it's extremely risky and dumb to have a full time job (while having a family) that depends on other big IPs\n\nAs he points out, this kind of job has always existed. Reviewers are critics, more or less. There's literal radio stations of these things. \n\nIt's a viable job. But as pointed out, Youtube appears to be the most volatile setting for this, if no reason than the extremely long appeals process that can easily be abused, valid claims or not. \n\nLike imagine what'd happen if a top youtuber had all their videos claimed. They'd be fucked without Google's direct intervention in the matter. Some have thousands of videos. Even 500 videos in the current system would mean 82 years of appeals. \n\nThat's lunacy, and that's even assuming you can claim fraudulently enough to do 2 rounds, a single round is fairly low bar to enter and easy to do, and fuck someone over with the system. \n\n\nBut yeah, there's whole businesses that have existed since the dawn of consumerism that exist to review IP in various forms. It's not at all insane my guy.", "Pine? You mean online?\n\nYeah their online sucks.", "To be fair, the guys from trash taste could easily become the same kinds of victims too. I don't believe all of their videos are pre-approved legally by the show producers, especially Gigguk doing his seasonal reviews. \n\nHell, he rarely does any non-anime cut-aways.", "you'd think they would care about their creators more?", "So content entirely based on leeching off of someone else's IP?\n\nIf you're doing that as anything more than a hobby you're setting yourself up for a bad time.", "Well it takes more than just accusing someone of being unclear. It has to be true, too. Otherwise it's meaningless.", "Sums it up nicely. I trained for a new career while in the glorious Nippon. But when I saw what careers are like Japan, I just knew I wouldn't be able to deal with the constant hamstringing of their own talent. Went back home instead. I miss the people, though.", "True. We shouldn't treat YouTube as too big to fail just because of Google.\n\nBut G+ also never really had a large user base to begin with lmao. YouTube on the other hand...", "This is why watching anime for free is also guilt free.", "You want me to wait two and half centuries for YouTube to fall?", "Don't forget the plugin 'SponsorBlock'. Its great to see the in-video sponsor bits get auto skipped.", "> Get strikes overturned 3 times and you either have to pay for the people to review the content like this\n\nThat implies Toei does get their strikes overturned.\n\nOr hurting for money\n\n> lose access to the system.\n\n[You're viol-ating the D-M-C-A!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQnF1BBBtXs)", "No...way...", "Except the problem is far more than that, they are known for not doing anything to help their content creators when these things happen. You don't have to look into every report, but they should at least take appeals seriously. Especially for content creators that are making money from their videos.", "Domestically yes but the international market as it exist was only possible by the fan community. It would be extremely smaller and less profitable without the fans that worked internally to improve things.\n\nIf not for the fan community they'd still be flipping manga to be read the western way and charging double the price. Huge boom in manga availability once the practice started to die in the 2000's.\n\n\nI've chatted with many of the original anime club members from various universities over the years. They have so many stories and some even ended up in the industry. One club would fansub a series and then pass their subs to another club. Club network was connected between the US and Canada.", "Right? It’s not like their content creators bring in tons of ad traffic and revenue for the company or anything??? Right???", "TTS alone was responsible for God only knows how many people getting into 40K, buying Black Library books, models, supplies, video games, &c., then blam!, gone overnight", "This is not YouTube's fault you redditors... not wanting to go r/HailCorporate but their is literally nothing YouTube can do against this... This is copyright the fucking laws are broken not YouTube. The moment they let those copyright claims pass that is the moment Toei sue their ass.\n\nTwitch started muting music in VODs for the same reason mate... Either they get shut down or run the site with these bullshit claims", "Listen, 2000 was 10 years ago and the 80s was 20 years ago, that’s just how time works.", "Except they invented just-in-time production. Then evolved it to be more resilient to disruptions to the supply chain (Toyota especially) before the pandemic caught everyone else with their pants down.", "YouTube doesn't care about it's users or creators.\n\nHow many times does this exact thing same thing have to happen before these people realize the platform they use isn't interested in helping them become successful. It's using creators and the userbase to make them money.\n\nObjective Reality people, realize it, now. Fuck YouTube.", "Tell me you’ve never watched his content without telling me you’ve never watched his content", "Would you call food reviews or movie reviews “leeching off an IP”? No you wouldn’t because people are allowed to make content based on other content if it’s transformative and it certainly was. Also included in Mark’s copyStrike fiasco are 9 art drawing videos of DBZ characters. They were art videos of original pieces of art of DBZ characters. Literally what? Toei can fuck itself.", ">Then his career wouldn't be over. Problem solved.", "I'm not spouting bullshit, I just didn't actually think I had to go into that much detail for you. The thing is, you're not using your critical thinking to understand that's not at all what I mean. Much simpler to be responsive to content creators that are appealing the strikes on their videos. They are netorious for ignoring people and not doing any sort of follow up whatsoever. Plus it doesn't always take a legal team to spot a bullshit claim.\n\nIf you think that's not the case then Idk where you have been for the past decade.", "You better believe that the Steven Colbert show 100% licenses footage they use. \n\nAny youtuber should prepare for unstable revenue and the fact that it can be yanked any time. \n\nWith that said, fuck Toei and screw youtube.", "One Piece is a manga series created by Eiichiro Oda in 1997 and adapted as an anime in 1999. The series currently has 1334 manga chapters, and 1002 anime episodes, and is the second best selling comic book property (in terms of comic book sales) in the world after Superman. One Piece follows a group of pirates led by Monkey D. Luffy on their adventure to find the worlds greatest treasure, the titular One Piece", "most main characters in anime that are male teens (so, 90% of all protagonists lol) are voiced by women, but i get your point", "For this reason, I think YouTube's biggest competitor in the future would be a platform with a subscription service that allows for them to actually budget for this stuff.\n\nPeople who don't care abt monetization, or advertisers, can stay in YouTube, but people who want a platform that cares about their work would probably move.\n\nAnd maybe even make it completely free for creators, idk (i.e you can upload for free but can't watch other people's stuff). They could have a free trial period for consumers as well.", "I've been looking for this comment!", "1984, huh? Have you actually read that book, because that is quite the leap.\n\nIf this kid's content was so important, he should have 1) backed it up and b) put it on his own platform and not relied on a negligent 3rd party streaming service.\n\nLook at people like Louis C.K. who take ownership of distribution and don't rely on sites like YouTube to get their content out.\n\nAt the end of the day you have to be accountable and take responsibility for your own shit. He was lazy and got fucked over. Crying isn't gonna fix it.", "In fairness, it's probably a large part at those times /s", "Honestly, \"join us or die\" sounds very on-brand for Warhammer.", "They're paranoid about defending their IP's cause of China.", "nah no way man!", "Also, the fact that Japan is largely a hard cash country blows my mind. Not true at all in Europe, China, NA-- the only place I've been to that's even close to comparable to Japan in terms of how much cash is still used vs. cards and phones is like Ecuador/various other SA countries", "it isnt over, toei is just harassing him for nothing", "And that's you. Maybe someone else just wants a random clip or something, and instead of watching the episode for it they just grab a review where someone barely talks over it?", "Another other platform that becomes as big as YouTube will have the same problem.\n\nThe reason why the system is weighted so heavily towards the claimant, is to avoid giant court cases being brought against YouTube. Years ago YouTube were on the verge of a giant legal case against Viacom, as well as others. Due to the vast amounts of copyrighted material on YouTube. Some of which is fair use, some of which isn't, and some in the grey area (like low effort reaction videos).\n\nDue to the vast amounts of content uploaded to YouTube everyday. Policing this problem is monumental. As a result they put in a process that's pro-claimant, and be done with it. Push the problem onto the creator.\n\n(Note I'm not in anyway defending the system. I'm just adding context. I don't think people realise this is an extremely difficult problem to solve platform wide.)\n\nWith all that said ... Google have consistently had a reputation that all support should be online only. As automated as possible. The lack of interaction here is appalling. It is frankly bizarre that someone making enough money to have their channel as their livelihood. Big enough to hire multiple people. Cannot get in touch with a real person at YouTube about this problem.", "you broke social protocol asking for extra noodle", "If I recall correctly, all Funimation VAs that worked for the Dragon Ball anime dubs were also threatened with being blacklisted from franchise work if they were to collaborate with TeamFourStar in the future. Don't quote me on that, though.", "That was just poor planning and management on his part.", "there are no popular services other than youtube\n\nToei is straight up harassing for nothing and took away his well earned revenue. Every other series he reviewed (Jojos, HXH,Berserk and AOT = all japanese btw) and the american stuff he reviewed never do any of this bullshit because toei are dinosaurs", "thats on them to and i imagine thats much more in the minority", "What. The. Serious. Fuck.", "He’s not relying on other people’s copyright though. He’s reviewing anime and manga, and like he said in his video, he is abiding by the fair use standards and creating transformative content. He’s not throwing whole scenes from a show on screen and just letting them play.", "no this is shit management by youtube and being shit over all by toei", "also he obviously still has his videos, the problem is getting them public again which will take 30 YEARS because of youtube's wack system and toei's harassment", "No, no, please keep going: this is my favorite comment thread of the entire post. 😁🙏", "I looked through a few of his videos. The ones that are still up are 25 minutes of him talking over full-screens video snippets and stills of the anime, sometimes with a 5 minute break in he middle to promote some unrelated product. I don't know about copyright laws, but I'm surprised his channel lasted as long as it has.", "Oda also shoutout to youtuber who make one piece action figure with clay", "bruh after what he said i dont wanna anymore, what ignorance and stupidity he showed", "He obviously has backups of his videos. He said he would be releasing supercuts of the claimed videos. The issue is that he can’t put the originals back up bc they got (wrongly) claimed.", "He's legally \"leeching\" off someone's IP. Don't know if you live under a rock but thousands of people make a living legally leeching off someone else's IP every day.", "Sure, but making them as such is a gamble of \"will the IP owner strike me down?\" If your making them as just a hobby or whatever you can take that chance if you want, but if it's your primary income you've made a poor choice.", "I love this guys channel, this is pretty disgusting to see, again to another creator who makes good content.", "The East is notoriously dismissive of the concept of fair use policy. As far as they are concerned it is their IP and theirs alone. No one else is allowed to talk about it, share it, acknowledge it or even be inspired by it. Wouldn't try to monetize anything to do with Eastern culture. The only way for that to change is for everyone to stop consuming and buying into the culture but that is a big ask to people who most likely don't care but just want their anime fix.", "He’s not using content that’s not his. He’s reviewing media. It’s not like he’s just letting the episode roll while he talks over it or something.", "Well maybe if your “career” and life’s work wasn’t as a fanboy discussing copyrighted material you wouldn’t be in a jam. Get a job, or produce original content that doesn’t rely on other peoples work.", "> Only those in the USA or Canada can view it (my pinned top comment is info on a VPN lol). \n\nyou mean right now? [Because it's unrestricted](https://polsy.org.uk/stuff/ytrestrict.cgi?ytid=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DK2eQeWycOPM&auth=e47e6a593542023478ad1f9aa3c8f501), I can watch it just fine in Germany", "They also royally fucked a lot of English-speaking fans over very recently with the whole Super Sentai debacle. There are tons of fans of Sentai that don't have access to the shows any other way than via fan subs because they're notoriously weird about licensing and only a handful of series, by and large stuff that was already adapted into a series of Power Rangers, were licensed for release in the US on DVD only, not even a blu-ray option, and a lot are now out of print as well. That's not even covering the older series pre-Power Rangers or the more recent stuff that hasn't been adapted yet. Apparently someone brought up a complaint at a Toei event about the series and it's English-speaking fans and someone higher up went \"How do they even know about that when we haven't licensed or subtitled that series for English-speakers?\"\n\nSuddenly every big fan subbing group for Sentai got cracked down on, large groups had to abandon their sites that talked about their releases, pull their torrents off the internet and it basically drove the whole scene \"underground\", where most groups are just uploading their torrents to popular sites and if you know how to find them great, and if not, too bad. To say that there were some extremely harsh words for Toei from the fans is putting it very mildly. They operated all these years ignorant of these fan subs that ended up driving sales of toys/merchandise to speakers of other languages around the world, creating new fans and making the series a world-wide thing, but when they found out about it they instantly decided that they didn't care about any of that.\n\nWhatever good stuff they may put out, never forget that Toei is 100% a shitty company. Enjoy their media, but never think for a second that they'll be even the slightest bit accommodating or kind to the fans.", "Well, I think YouTube needs to air on the side of safety for legal reasons. If there is even a wiff of copyright issue, they could be sued if they do not act. As Tom Scott video said, our laws have not kept up with the times. But seeing these video shaming YouTube for copyright id system is just tiring imo.", "> My favourite was when I was working for a Sony Store in Australia. \n\nAh yes, the \"only we can make Betamax players\" company.\n\n(In fairness though, VHS was primarily a product of JVC, with Matsushita (now Panasonic) also coming onboard to introduce it. Both of those are Japanese companies.)", "God bless djsexcidillionaire or however the fuck he's credited in TFS abridged episodes ;)", "My wife used to work with animation studios here in japan and it is actually dogshit work out there. \n\nI was told that any youtube tittle that has (insert an anime name here) would be left alone until it reach a specific viewage in yt for example. However should the view of the anime or brand becomes a little negative(thanks to the poor non native translation of their in house translator) \nThen you would be copyrighted immediately.\n\nLastly this companies are known to undermine alot of its artist hardwork except Kyoto Animation who is the golden standard of many artist.\n\nTheres a law I think in japan that is too exhaustive in terms of copyright infringements that is why I think they would let the other well known reviewers alone because they cannot go into that legal dogfight where they might lose.\n\nSo they cut the buds before it sprouts kinda thing for them.", "I wouldn't give a single shit about Dragonball if it wasn't for TFS tbh", "Companies need to have a way to claim stuff and get it taken down, and the review process costs money. Not to mention, that if YT sides with the creator, then they have to defend that in court because the hosting site is also liable. So now YT has to pay people to review the videos, and then defend themselves if they make a ruling.\n\nGuess how much that costs? The answer is a whole lot more than the current system.\n\nWhich brings us to why the current system is in place, and why it will stay in place on practically any website that crops up and gets big.", "It's called being proactive, taking care of your own shit, and not relying on other people (or in this case services) for things that are important to you.\n\nLet me put it to you another way (although, it seems like your mind is made up and you probably won't even read this far): let's say you had a photo of your dead family and it was the only one in existence. Would you give it to your friend for safe keeping? No, the sensible thing to do would be to make a copy and then give it to your friend in case anything ever happened to the original.\n\nAnd who knows? Maybe you're an asshole and the friend just decides he doesn't like you anymore, rips up the picture, and moves away. Now you're all alone with no picture of your dead parents and you're shouting on a street corner at passersby, but nobody is listening because they think you're a crazy homeless person (not to mention still an asshole).", "I can still hear kitten crying...", "Left hand not knowing what the right is doing. This is exactly what I thought when I heard him talking about that.", "I’m Dick Culture, Private Eye.", "Maybe the Tau, but everyone else in 40k is just 'die'.", "Does this guy not realize video is a visual medium?", "How about no? How is it fair that some YouTubers get to make money and others don’t because of bullshit copyclaims that are every YouTuber’s worst fear. Either YouTube becomes unmonetized and pays them nothing (which wouldn’t change much cause unless a video is in the millions of views, they pay pennies for ad revenue) or they get their shit together and not buckle and allow big corporations to shoot their creators in the knee and fuck off like nothing has happened. As it is now, YouTube is a dumpster fire and anyone who can manage views, subscriptions, and ad revenue can 100% call it a job. \n\nYouTube was originally a video hosting website, think OG Imgur but when the creators realized that their website was gold and needed more money to continue it than they had, they sold to Google. I’m sure you know that already but regardless, Google is running YouTube on a loss and the reason why Vimeo and other platforms can’t compete is because no other platform has the wealth that Google provides YouTube. YouTube is running at a loss but it’s the most profitable loss ever. \n\nRegardless, YouTube shouldn’t have such a malicious system towards the people who provide the content that the layperson visits the site for. Without content creators, there’s 0 reason to visit a site with no videos or any new videos. Of course that’d never happen cause there would never be a mass YouTuber strike where everyone just stops posting videos in solidarity for change because most channels run themselves at a near loss and pausing their upload schedule will mean all the production team that they care for and hire get fucked over too. Most successful channels now have full production teams and aren’t the one person in their parents’ basement who uploaded one video that gained huge traction anymore. Those people shifted to teams because YouTube is a full time job. Gotta meet quotas with YouTube’s algorithm and deviating from that causes that algorithm to demote your channel in favor of other channels that will upload. \n\nTldr: Youtube is a full time job and I hate when I see dumbasses who don’t see the background of that goes into making videos make assumptions that it’s a hobby or whatever. If someone makes more money making videos than their shitty part time/full time job in retail or whatever, they’re def gonna abandon that shit job for something that allows them to express their creative passions. Of course uncreative fucks like you wouldn’t know that.", "I'd like to see the math on that 30 years bit. If he had backups of the videos he could just upload them to Vimeo in like an hour. Hell, if the content is sooo good and popular, Patreon that shit.\n\nOh, WTF am I doing arguing with a 10-year-old? Fuck this...", "I mean, if he's going to monetize his videos using footage he uses claiming 'Fair Use,' then why shouldn't TOEI get in on that action? They're protecting their brand and are big enough to force change in their favor, not the other way around. \n\nThey have the advantage in that they can easily claim their property is in his videos but as its setup currently on YouTube, you don't have a way of \"cutting people in\" on the monetized deal you setup for your channel. The logical result is that TOEI just takes all of it or shuts you down because they can and did. Seems more like a business oversight on the content creator's part.", "They also don't want foreigners enjoying it.", "help its* creators, no apostrophe", "NO WAY. Thanks for letting me know. \n\nI am going to check to see if anything changed. I am glad to have the Germans back on my team.", "Damn, I usually do well to avoid those mistakes.\n\nFixed it, thanks!", "bet people on the Internet won't like this take, but I agree.\n\nyour entire career is just reviewing other people's content. if they don't want you talking about it, then well you're fucked.\n\nwas he completely unaware of these companies being protective of their IPs? maybe pick a safer job then, sir", "Really has the 'left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing' feeling. They had someone go through and mass report anything that might possibly violate their copymonopoly, and no real attention was paid, while some other part of the company was doing the promotional deals.", "Lol yes.", "60 days x 150 = 24.6411834 years", "I watched one of his videos and it was 43 minutes of him going plot point by plot point through two episodes of a TV show.\n\nNot saying it was right or wrong, but I can see why they were claimed and blocked.", "Which is kind of odd coming from the land of doujin and very, very, very close imitation of merchandise. It seems it's all fine and good until it hits the internet.", "thats not really comparable at all", "what video?", "You do realize that NBC brought over Astroboy in 1963, right?", "> It's not fair use if you are making money from it.\n\nThat's a bullshit statement. It totally depends on how he's making money from it. Reviews, commentary, educational, react videos, are fair game.\n\n>Notwithstanding the provisions of sections 106 and 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright.", "because he's passionate about narrative analysis and got a massive following and followed fair use", "They took down every Shining Force video because they wanted to advertise Shining Ark and didn't want competition. I shit you not, this is actually what happened, and god knows how many channels died because those were all copyright strikes- 3 and you're out.", "Exactly...feels like there are details missing...", "he has a job. Youtube is a job Toei is just harassing him over it. He also isnt a fanboy. He works hard in analyzing the work he reviews and helps as free advertising", "Blind Naruto #6", "he doesnt show unedited clips, whatever clips are there are talked over and silent", "I'm not supporting Toei again till they do right by TNM. TeamFourStar was a big hit but hitting TNM too is the final final straw. TFS is moving onto other things but I love watching TNMs reviews, he made me love Naruto, One Piece, and DB again.", "I am thinking it is those companies making the claims shutting down the competition.", "Imagine a company purposefully stopping their game from becoming a popular esport lmao", "I can't even upload music I've written that is on certain labels. It just gets flagged and removed even though my contracts say I'm allowed to share the tracks on my own accounts, soundcloud for example.", "There was an Era when Nintendo tried to stop people from uploading ANY gameplay of their games to youtube and other sites. I think it was around the Wii U launch. They eventually gave up on it though because the algorithms for game detection were not as good back then and they caved into the lets plays being okay.", ">Japan doesn't understand the power of free advertisement.\n\nSee Nintendo's crackdown of gaming bars and cafes.", "This guy is a massive prick I'm so happy.", "That might be due to the [counterfeiting of Yugioh cards by Upper Deck](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_Deck_Company#Konami) a decade ago, wouldn't surprise me if all US distributors were considered untrustworthy by Japanese partners now.", "That's... not how the chicken or the egg idiom works.\n\nLike, I get what you are trying to say, but that's a completely inappropriate use of the idiom.", "why would you think that?", "They ones they picked get paid to delivery positive reviews and ignore critique. Those who don't play by these rules get phony copyright strikes to silence them.", "Those doujinshi fan-made works are part of the local fan culture, especially of university clubs and \"circles\" who know each other, meet each other at events, and have roots in the fan culture of the 70s. It's allowed because so much of the modern talent pool of the industry would have started out in those circles. Overseas fans who they don't know and who have no communication with would just be considered pirates. Quite literally; I've tried looking up what Japanese term for fansubs are, and they're just called the same thing as pirated copies.", "So he was lying?", "The problem is YouTube has the best money platform and no competitor has come within seeing range let alone striking range. YouTube is still a thing because even with adpocalypse they give the most money cut to creators out of all static video sites.", "> Pentax was making the LX, a legendary, full-manual SLR up until the 2000s. Only sold in Japan. You couldn't order it from Western distributors.\n> \n> \n> \n> \"No,\" said Pentax, \"Silly gaijin don't want those.\"\n> \n> \n> \n> \"We've got a guy who wants it. Got cash and everything.\"\n> \n> \n> \n> \"No, he doesn't.\" \n\nThey are like this with all their cameras. It's like they really don't want to sell them anywhere but Japan. They haven't advertised in the US in 30 years except for a couple magazine ads when the K-1 was released and it was getting good publicity.", "That's not google failing, that's some of google's products failing. It's really not a good comparison.", "Creating commercial sales isn't a factor in fair use.", "no he clearly says at the end that he wont let toei beat him and that he will keep fighting", "A big in-your-face moment that showed Youtube had completely bowed to advertisers was when channels were afraid to say the word \"pandemic\" or \"coronavirus\" last year around the time of the lockdowns. Instead it was \"this thing we're going through\" or other oblique references. \n\nAnd I'm not talking channels trying to create a stir or anything controversial, but rather innocuous cooking channels making videos about cooking out of your pantry because you can't go out!\n\nAnd recently even chubbyemu was afraid to say \"cocaine\" in his video.\n\nPatreon is truly the way forward for channels to escape from being reliant on ad revenue.", "It stems from the lost decades. \n\nJapan peaked in 1990. That was when their economic power reached its peak, as did their innovation. It's why all the best technology of the 80s was coming out of Japan. Whether it was their cars or home electronics, Japan was absolutely killing it. Then their housing bubble burst, destroying billions of investments. Alongside by a sharp decline in the Yen and a change in U.S. policy forcing Japan to cut down on exports caused economic collapse followed by stagnation. \n\nJapan did not recover economically from this until 2011. Now Japanese businesses are so paranoid about everything going wrong again, their leadership is filled by nostalgic old brass who seek out a repeat of the 80s glory days, but don't realise things have changed. \n\nIt's a big part of why Korea, Taiwan, and China have done so well economically. They've replaced much of what Japan once had a near monopoly on.", "Lmaooooo it's a Japanese company.", "pure r/cringe right here", "If you come to Japan, you realize how much Dragon Ball Super is actually just for kids. There's a ton of merch and it's all super tacky, but it doesn't matter because it's all aimed at 5 to 10-year-olds.\nUnlike other classic anime which still retains an adult fan base (One Piece for example), the Dragon Ball franchise has been made into something for kids only over here.", "thats stupid, emplemon was right, copyright law needs to change", "So... did he clear the clips he's using ? Fair-use is an NA ~Law only.\n\nI bet Stephen Colber did..\n\nYou are playing by the the same rules, like it or not~ sort of.\n\nYou are making money of other peoples work, it's not a rough calculation to make... make your own content without using other peoples work ?\n\nCan't make it without commenting other peoples work ? go do something else.", "you are a legend, thanks for your effor", "Then produced one of the shittiest animations of all time.", "The only reason why Trash Taste is still around is because they’re officially licensed by the Japanese people in charge over there so they get carte blanche on their copystrikes as long as nothing offensive is in their videos. As long as they follow Japanese standards of videos which are more restrictive in nature as they don’t want the people they’re essentially sponsoring to reflect bad on them, trash taste can upload anything within the guidelines. CDawg is the most risky outta the three as his content goes against Garnt and Joey’s vid styles the most. He wears shitty wish cosplays, goes out to crane game machines, goes and interviews boys love cafes, etc while Garnt and Joey just post YouTube and anime discussions.", "he literally analysed in detail all the stuff he reviewed and we watch him for HIS thoughts and opinions and interpretations of the media. The background clips which are usually never shown unedited are just a bonus", "YouTube is too busy stripping the useful features to give a fuck about the actual content creators. FUCK YOUTUBE", "Pretty sure there is an oooooold video of Sean Schemmel at a con saying he would like to work with them but he was told on no uncertain terms that his career as the voice of Goku would be over if Toei caught wind of anything like that happening.", "Plus the word for noodle and dick are almost identical.", "Do you see how much manga he has in the background? From that, while it’s an assumption, I’ll assume that he also buys the ridiculously priced Blu-ray’s of the anime he puts in the videos. For a couple episodes worth on Blu-ray, that shit can cost from $30-$100 depending on the franchise. I highly doubt Mark is pirating content.", "Vimeo didn't lose because of lack of users; the site itself is prohibitive. \n\nI think at this point you need a video link to watch most of the stuff.", "Toei pretty much killed TFS’s enthusiasm for doing the Buu saga. Still not forgiven Toei for that.", "What is stopping channels from third party claiming their own content to keep them from being copyrighted by other companies/entities?", "It wasn't the reason, but it was a BIG reason. The other being creative burnout, which is going to stop even the most loved, most praised, and most supported passion project in its tracks.", "While I respect the anime companies desire to restrict who they \"deal with\", this absolutely restricts competition, which is vital for whatever capitalist society we have to survive.", "Join https://odysee.com/\n\nThat's the best alternative to Youtube at this point.", "Just once I want to see one of these content creators that get fucked over go to court and win because it's fair use. We only need a few wins to set precedent before these types of claims would be less common, since legal fees and damages would have to be awarded at the very least, and for larger channels it could get pricey for even a company like Toei.\n\nI'm not saying it has to be TNM, and I realize mounting a legal defense would be time consuming and costly, but that is the only way things will change. It's unfortunate that money is truly the obstacle for defense against these companies that want to ruin content creators over stuff that ultimately promotes their products and media.\n\nI personally would happily give to a fund to back lawsuits against copyright holders who abuse content creators that rely on fair use. Problem is we would need a lot more like minded people to chip in. Most of these content creators on YouTube, even the successful ones, can't afford a prolonged legal battle against these companies. But with support they might be able to if they're willing to go to war for their content and others.", "Inside Japan the courts have just started handing down convictions to movie recap posters. I'm just the messenger, these are not my views, and so please don't downvote on the grounds you find what you are reading outrageous .\n\nA side note, if you find this article kind of ameteurish, that's pretty normal for the country. [First convictions in Japan handed down to YouTube movie recap posters](https://japantoday.com/category/crime/first-convictions-in-japan-handed-down-to-youtube-movie-recap-posters)", "Here's the problem with human review in most cases: Over 500 hours of video is uploaded to YouTube every minute. That's over 2 weeks of video. Every minute. So in a single 24 hour period that's 720,000 hours or 82 years of video. Let's say even just a fraction of that requires review for copyright infringement. The number of employees required to manually review that much video would be astronomical. We're talking probably tens of thousands of employees. And then you want to multiply that by three to have three employees per video. Not to mention the $60 you suggest isn't even guaranteed because if there is copyright infringement the claimee gets their money back. What you have suggested is unfeasible from the standpoint of money, time, and manpower. \n\nEven if it was YouTube has no incentive to implement such a system. The only reason the copyright strike system exists in the first place is so they don't get sued because they have to show they're at least trying to moderate their platform. They could give two shits about content creators, especially smaller ones, which is why when one is treated unfairly everyone has to scream and shout and cause a huge scene on social media just to get YouTube's attention. All that matters in the end is appeasing advertisers, record companies, and copyright holders.", "hell yeah", "Plus let's be honest, they ended it but they also went out strong. We are lucky to have that", "Crazy anime react channels are so popular and yet they’re going after this guy...", "yarr matey", "Youtubers in germany can choose to join the youtubers union which have partnered with the biggest union in germany to hold youtube accountable.", "Completely same. I researched Z and got excited for super because of tfs.", "Art is an expression of ideas, any effort to prevent this expression is censorship. History has shown that the amount of censorship in a society tends to be inversely proportional to each individual's well being within that society All creative work is derivative \nhttps://youtu.be/jcvd5JZkUXY", "i mean there's a new movie coming out?", "one head of the hydra isn't talking to the other.", "Yea... That is NOT a valid reason to use \"stolen clips\", unless you are in the NA, and the Internet or, in this case youtube, isn't local to the NA... Like it or not\n\nI do not endorse it, i'm just saying... that's the way it is.", "A bakayarou move.", "Tbf that was Funimation (who have hired members of TFS for other roles, at least before this one) and when Toei caught wind they demanded it be pulled.", "Can I go on a limb and say, the hypocrisy of it is still fucking dumb.\n\nA company is essentially a superorganism, and this one is acting hypocritically.", "Without piracy there wouldn't be a legitimate interest in the first place. Piracy is how they know there's a market they're not exploiting, without the piracy they wouldn't know they were missing out.", "RIP Astartes and TTS", "Is the video on japanese? Because if is not they arent going to understand it.", "I don't get how Nintendo exists....they are literally the definition of stuck 20 years in the past with some of their business decisions, but also are extremely innovative.", "And we're really talking about YouTube. YouTube is a product of theirs as well. The one I responded to is trying to treat them as the same when Google is really so much more. Data collection, advertising, not to mention the search that started it all. YouTube is not all of Google despite the claim, just one more aspect, and not even a large one to some such as myself who hates staring at a screen without interacting for any period of time.", "They see it as competition pulling revenue away from purchases that could be made where fans are distracted by creator content instead. Essentially, it's a reversee plus of the exposure, argument. YouTube content creators are saying that they can provide exposure to the already massive companies and the massive companies are indicating that they don't need it and that they would instead like to be compensated with raw capital. Just as you'd expect from a capitalist corporation. Unfortunately, the way that the law is written is thus. These companies did not ask for anyone to make content relating to their various mediums or programs, fans did that of their own free will. Will. Due to this fact, companies are coming after the creators who in their eyes are unlawfully using their products in order to derive revenue for themselves.", "Even the Manga looks more like DBZ did. Its cleaner style. The Anime was just very poorly put together. \n\nIts crazy cause in the west no kids even have Dragon Ball on their radar (hehe pun) \n\nEveryone who likes it over here watched DBZ as a kid 20 years ago", "toei is a multi million dollar company and court is expensive", "I think it works. You can't get chickens without eggs. And you can't get eggs without chickens.", "IIRC, Google ran Youtube at a significant loss for several years after they bought it.\n\nIt's really hard to run a service like Youtube for a profit, and running one without Youtube's user base and turning a profit is virtually impossible.", "You mean you haven't heard about all the sexual abuse of children, harassment of women, racism against pretty much everyone, near slave conditions of foreign workers, suicide, and all the war crimes they've committed and STILL refuse to acknowledge? Even the Nazis were horrified by what the Japanese did.", "A job that’s constantly at risk of being demonetized and at any point could go up in smoke is a bad job. He’s made a career out of a side hustle and like many others he’s paying the price. ANY non-YouTube media professional knows not to fuck around with copyright at all, let alone make money off of it. The only thing surprising here is that he’s outraged, when he knew this was a possibility all along.", "Nintendo's online game is fucking piss poor, and this is from a guy who has a family sub to switch online.\n\nBut they don't care, they literally have more cash money in the bank than any other Japanese company, iirc. Maybe 2nd place, but still. They could shit out turd consoles for 2 or 3 generations and still be good to go.", "I wouln't classify this as Youtube drama. More like Youtube meta commentary? Drama would fit better if this was ain issue between creators.", "How is it not viable to start a small business/project with some friends or family? I have done this personally as have lots of people I know who don't even have a high school degree. I'm not saying it's easy, but it's definitely worth trying.", " There's no denying that he's using copyrighted clips of anime in his video reviews, regardless of the length and regardless of how he presents them.\n\n_Fair use_ is murky territory.\n\nYes there is a legal description of what constitutes \"fair use\" in the books. But when you're making videos using copyrighted clips, there's no official approval given to you that what you're doing is fair use. \n\nThe only way that _fair use_ is ever actually enforced is in a courtroom. And it's ultimately dependent on the interpretation of legal counsel and a judge.\n\nThink about that. \n\nThe entire concept of fair use only offers an individual protection if they are willing and prepared to have legal representation and fight for their creation in a court of law. And it's important to keep in mind the kind of legal teams that companies like Toei can afford.\n\nAnd he stated that this is his only source of income. So I'm sorry to disagree: he is relying on copyrighted works as a sole form of income.", "when its completely unfair and under fair use i definitely agree with him", "Toei is crazy for this", "Because you arent their customer, advertisers are", "> It felt like a massive loyalty test or something. \n\nMoney laundering?", "I think it was mostly to make sure it was up to their standards, but I don't remember the details. Didn't know about the Yu-Gi-Oh cards.", "You better believe I was being sarcastic in that original post. \n\nI've seen some really great video essays, but I'm dumbfounded when YouTubers get hit with copyright strikes and are outraged.", "Time Ghost History and ConeofArc are both on Odysee! More creators than ever are learning that diversification is the key to survival.", "[ContentID is not DMCA though](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/7002106?hl=en)\n\n> Unlike takedowns, which are defined by law, Content ID is a YouTube system that is made possible by deals made between YouTube and content partners who have uploaded material they own to our database.", "They went silent to help the waiter understand your English more easily, simple ;)", "I'm certain one of the questions posed within such an application involves you verifying whether or not your video uses _any_ copyright material that you yourself do not hold the rights to. \n\nWhat made you think it would be that easy?", "Exactly! And yeah, he did know how protective japanese companies are, but he still decided to dedicate 99.9% of his channel to reviewing japanese IPs. \n\nHe started uploading 5 years ago, so he's definitely had time to diversify his content or maybe try getting a full time job and keeping Youtube as extra income. Toei is obviously being an asshole, but Mark definitely fucked up too.", "There are already some sites like that, but they do not have the popularity of YouTube specifically because they cost money.", "With Odysee you can link a youtube channel so all the videos will be on both platforms. Viewers need to ask youtubers they like to setup this feature up so they can watch on both sites.", "And that's why he's alone.", "Wasn't the sole reason. Burnout and declining passion for their work also played a significant part.", "but we like their shit we will pay them money for it", "free advertising is such a bullshit slippery slope \n\n\nthat's like when people or streamers try to \"pay\" people to make shit for them for \"free advertising\", that free advertising rarely if ever amounts to anything \n\n\nthose animes MADE that guy, people looked for stuff on those animes, they weren't looking for some random dude \n\n\nit's in their right to remove their copyrighted shit, it becomes a lot less about fair use when you make money off of that shit with no legal recourse or backup", "What I'm hearing is \"make a firm in Japan that actually innovates\"", "I mean at a very elementary level getting the name out for anything can be considered marketing, to just flat out call fan content free marketing is a hyperbole imo.", "Yea they did a lot of damage to the smash bro tournaments. \nImagine if they encouraged and supported it. Nintendo would be top dog.", "It seem like as a very insular culture, they deal with any works of criticism and fair use very harshly because they take a very conservative approach, that is they want to control everything you say and leave no room for any interpretation other than their own. I don't think they really understand nor care about small time creative content creators. It's all very rigid, official and curated.\n\nI feel that it is also one of the reasons why they just don't get online gaming and multiplayer. They probably don't feel that just because you are allowed to say something does not mean they are not allow to defend themselves. If they feel what you said is a misrepresentation and unfair, they might feel they have the right to shut you up. Worse, if you not even Japanese they might not feel any obligation to you. It is a very different way of looking at speech.\n\nThe irony is that anime is so huge precisely because anything goes in anime. So people produce animes everything from the mundane to the absolute wacky. It's not like they don't understand creativity.", "Good dude. Better storyteller than most American drama shows already.", "This sounds like a cultural issue exacerbated by the language barrier.\n\nTo be sure, Japanese rights holders have traditionally been militantly and jealously protective of their rights, both legal rights and what I would call \"customary\" rights, or rights that they demand in excess of their actual legal rights (in other words they kind of trample all over fair use and Japanese society lets them).\n\nFor example, portrait rights are often brought up in Japan, as in the right to not have people use your likeness or face without your permission. If you snap a picture if someone famous and post it to Facebook, their managing agency will contact you demanding that you delete it. If they see you taking the picture they will demand you delete it from your phone.\n\nBut this right doesn't actually exist. It's a made up right and they don't have a legal leg to stand on. Japanese law makes it very clear that freedom of expression takes priority against any claim to such rights, and there is not even a legal definition of those rights. Despite this, there have been civil cases where the claimant won, and so rights holders use that precedent, and their financial intimidation factor, to demand them anyway. So they usually get what they want.\n\nAnd this is true for just about any other content related right. Japanese rights holders demand, and usually receive, more than they are legally entitled to.\n\nAnd seeing as this sort of general policy is set at the given company's Japan headquarters, not only do foreign offices and subsidiaries follow unquestioningly, but the cultural and language barriers mean that Japan Inc. just isn't interested in the ways that the content industry is changing outside Japan with regard to the end users and fans.\n\nAnd there's another factor that makes it worse. If they even see their IP get mentioned outside of allowed channels without having given specific permission after having had their assess properly kissed beforehand, they see it as both an insult and theft.\n\nSo there's actually a way forward for YouTubers and website owners: approach the rights holders beforehand and preferably with a Japanese partner with a value proposition and get permission. Work with them according to their rules. I can almost guarantee that the big sites that seem to be getting away with it either have some working relationships with powerful players in Japan, or the rights holders organizations just haven't gotten around to them yet.\n\nEdit: a couple misspelled words", "They've all essentially been blacklisted, despite being individually and collectively talented. It really bums me out.\n\nFuck Toei.", "Except it's not, Youtube doesn't actually follow the laws on copyright/DMCA. They implemented their own system that forgoes the legal system. If you watched the video the creator played the game up until the \"Ok let's do court\" and Toei's legal team just says \"Nope let's not\" and so Youtube hands back the video to him. He would be fine actually if he could do it for all 150 videos immediately but Youtubes broken system requires him to do them one at a time so it'll take 30 years to get them all back. If the creator had infinite money he could actually sue Toei and Alphabet into oblivion for their legal misconduct and his damages here.\n\nOn any other less established site the onus would be on Toei to file a DMCA claim against him and bring it to court to compel him to remove the videos. Which they wouldn't do.", "Right? The like/dislike button's purpose is to surface/bury content based on how it's been received, just like the upvote/downvotes here. The whole fiasco has me wondering how deep people are digging in search results because I don't think I've ever come across a video with a notably high dislike count.", "Yeahhh I guess the other side of the problem is incentivizing big creators to jump ship. \n\nIf a creator is big, it logically means the current YouTube formula is working for them, so why would they jump? Then again, if YouTube keeps doing stupid shit like the dislike button, or if ads become so pervasive that it big creators acc see it hit their numbers, that's probs when a competitor might get some wind in their sails.", "AFAIK in japan there's a big difference between making a derivative work (i.e. drawing all of your own art using existing characters, doing cosplay, etc) and making works that directly utilize the original content (using screenshots, video, etc from the source content in your review)\n\nIn the US, we have fair-use laws the add exceptions to copyright. Derivative works in the US are comparatively hard to defend unless it can be very clearly classed as parody, review, etc. Japan doesn't really have fair use exceptions, but they have stronger protections for derivative works that don't use the actual original art or script.", "You know why I know nothing will come of this.\n\nBecause nothing does every single time because ya'll don't boycott nothing or do anything. \n\nComments here aren't enough man. This isn't the first person they've done this too. This is like... ... I don't even know, it's definiltely way over 10.\n\nYou have the free time. I don't even care if you're idignant. Be loud and DO SOMETHING! FUCK!", "Didn't you have to pay to upload on Vimeo? Not the best business model", "It has nothing to do with Oda, Toei has been doing this since years ago.", "Twitch and Facebook also enforce exclusivity in their streaming contracts. It's the industry standard.", "It's like saying paying your taxes in US is the same as supporting terrible things that US military did in Middle East.\n\nAlmpst all merchandise profit go to Shonen Jump and Oda.", "Oh man, that little cameo was great. TOE sucks balls", "Yeah, I’m bootlegging any TOE stuff from here on.\n\nUsually I will do what’s easiest to check something out (usually it’s streaming) and later buy it legit if I liked it. \n\nNope. Super Broly is leaving my shopping cart and I’m just gonna download it for free.\n\nTOE can eat my ass.", "This shit more than anything is why I don’t recommend Japanese anime to people. Western anime? Fucking go for it, Korra & Castlevania are dope.", "I still remember when Toei pulled the plug on Anime War. Now, I totally understand that way more, but they waited to do it until the fucking day before the FINAL episode was supposed to drop. \n\nI still ended up able to see it, but man that fucking sucked for a minute.", "What’s interesting is that if his job is on YouTube and making from YouTube than that’s is his source of income and his boss. So what did you expect was going to happen from claiming YouTube as a real job. Sure it’s a job. But it’s not a real job like any other form of art or media. It’s never been promised that YouTube owes anyone anything; and this has been foreshadowed for quite sometime now that they don’t care. Honestly, if you had a family to provide for then why invest all of your money and life work into something so sketchy?", "Japan has a reputation for paradoxes, like being both innovative and stuck in time at the same time. Here in America Toyota is lobbying against the car electrification mandates, hardly the look of Toyota's famous 'Kaizen'.", "> You fault the video for saying you can only do one at a time, but you're agreeing in theory you probably should, due to strike management. Kinda weird and a weak argument from your point.\n\nCAN do something versus SHOULD do something. He is making the point that youtube RESTRICTS YOU from doing it, which is false, and anyone who's had any actual experience with it knows this. Yet people are putting out the pity party for someone who's resorting to deception to make a plea. Yawn.\n\nDidn't read the rest, because you failed on your first point, and the children of reddit's stance is a worn and obvious trope \"youtube bad, free stuff good, fair use is me get free stuff. HERP DE DERP.\"", "Was that before Chris Sabat showed up in the movies? Because you're just not gonna tell HIM that he can't do any work for Dragon Ball.\n\nPlus, considering all the professional VA's that have worked with them (Justin Briner, Amber Lee Connors, Howard Wang, Chris Guerrero) and have done work with Funimation, probably not a good threat to make.", "What happened? I’m at work and can’t watch. Normally top comment has a tldw", "He is trending on Twitter, spread him far and wide.", "Great synopsis of what happened. The scene itself is \"okay\" for now, but with BlazBlue getting a beta of rollback netcode on PC, ArcSys has literally called on Seth's resurrection as the game has seen the largest active users literally this week, probably since launch. People are obviously wondering about the netcode for DBFZ, there's just an issue. ArcSys did create the game, but they're not the publisher, Bandai Namco is. From there, I don't know who would have to give the green light to implement this.", "I remember \"The Anime Man\" did an interview with an anime studio and he at one point asked about the foreign/western market and the executive guy looked at him puzzled and was like \"are there westerners that watch our anime?\" A LOT of studios not only aren't interested in the foreign market for their work they are completely oblivious to the fact that it exists at all, it's so bizarre especially considering in the west it's almost the opposite where especially blockbuster type things are made with a foreign market at least somewhat in mind, China in particular. Anime in general has focused a lot more on niche appeal, that's why they have expensive blurays and all kinds of figures and merch, they're relying on a small contingent of superfans rather than broad appeal. The US in general both with shows and movies is basically the complete opposite, they want the really big audience numbers, especially globally and there's actually a lot less supplementary stuff for \"superfans\" the way there is with anime.", "yikeroonees", "Upper deck is just sketchy 100% they figured out a bunch of cards they had printed were selling for insane mark ups so they secretly reprinted them hoarded a bunch and gave some of them to executive types telling them to not sell them and hold on to them. So of course people noticed when a bunch of rare sets of cards started showing up on ebay all at once. And the killed the value of the cards.", "Now all we have to do is to boycott all the products that advertise on YouTube.\nWho's in?", "How do you deal with DMCA bots?\n\nEarlier this year, Comcast was hitting anyone that downloaded Ubuntu with a DMCA warning because a company claimed copyright on that entire OS: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2021/05/fake-dmca-takedown-notice-targeted-ubuntu-downloaders-yesterday/", "It was a similar story in NZ. There was a flagship Sony store next to the telco I worked in - would have smokos with the boys from Sony. \n\nConvos from us to them like \"thats a really cool hometheater display - do you get to watch whatever you want in it?\n\n\"Nah, just the demo DVD and we cant touch the volume\"\n\n\"..weird. Why?\"\n\n\"Oh, none of us know how to actually use it - its not even for sale. Just for looking at\"\n\n\"...huh..ok. Annyway, wanna play with the new iPhone 3GS?\"", ">Misogynism, racism, the sexualization of underage girls,\n\nThis is an apt description of Japanese anime and videogames.", "Honestly dbZ abridged is better than the original haha I have rewatched it far more times than the original. \n\nI wish they could animate their own show and do shitty knock offs just different enough to know who it is but. Have their own story lines. I would watch and support the shit out of it. \n\nI’m so glad I downloaded every single episode to my Plex so I have it just incase it got removed", "Of course not, but this guy is saying that not only is Toei blatantly misusing the claims system (because TNM’s videos are fair use), but they are also actively shooting themselves in the foot business wise because Mark has become an unpaid advertiser for their product.\n\nHe is literally an effective walking commercial for DB and One Piece, yet Toei keeps shutting him down. I would be very surprised if this decision is profit-maximizing for Toei, so the only reason they’re doing it is out of some bizarre, antiquated idea about how one’s IP should or shouldn’t be used by others", "And behind a paywall as well to watch them now that they nuked the fan animations.", "I'm just imagining the massive cat-and-mouse game of Games Workshop trying to hit all of the online 3D print files with the legal hammers.\n\nIt'll be like the early 2000's all over again with the music sharing.", "Japanese entertainment companies are so behind on social media and honestly, the internet. Prime example Johnny's Entertainment; they're not even allowed to show their performers faces on news press releases and they all have this like artist rendering they use instead, not sure if it changed over the years but it was something I remembered. it's kind of like their faces and images are all copyrighted. Its not like you could go a single day without seeing their face in ads EVERYWHERE in Japan, but only where they wanted. They didn't even have Spotify or A Fucking YouTube channel until like 2019. And despite having NO official channel, it was impossible to keep content up of their artists without copyright strikes. Even content lost to time now from the early 2000s.", "I've also heard there's lots of bureaucracy elsewhere especially for foreigners, I've heard numerous times just getting a house or apartment as a foreigner is a hassle and A LOT of paper work.", "It was to protect corporations that upload unpopular content/advertisements/etc.\n\nI've seen some that absolutely get dogpiled in the comments and with the dislikes because of some blatant lies or using standard corporate-speak for a fiasco.", "Should have asked for one really long noodle instead.", "Also as someone that has worked in Tv, Siskel and Ebert most likely had to license the footage and specify exactly how much they would use. You would never just take footage from a distributor even if its for a review, at least not from my experience because fair use is hard to argue.", "You are being downvoted but you are entirely correct.", "As with my generalisation of Japan:\n\nThey are stupid: China are going to win the cultural war if they stop doing this menagerie of anti-fan moves. I am so tempted to use a Matthew C. Perry move on them were it not for their common people having more common sense than their leadership, management & people of influence.", "They're also much more niche than YouTube. YouTube has everything. All those other sites cater to a small audience. It means they have high quality content, but cross-pollination is virtually nonexistent.", "> legal dogs\n\nLegal Beagles.", "We did get Takahata101 aka DBZA Nappa's voice in Xenoverse 2. So that was entertaining.", "Free advertising the company apparently doesn't want. Which should also be fine, since it's their IP and they can do whatever they want with it.", "wow...", "They were provided their supporting clips through studio agreements not blu-ray rips and torrent downloads lol", "Like how Family Guy stole some guy's gameplay and then FOX took the original video down.", "Does Japanese law apply to Fair Use? Seriously asking. I know Fair Use plays in US, but no idea if means a damn thing to other countries.\n\nIf Japan doesn't practice it then they can control their IP however they want.\n\nEdit - Japan does have a fair use law, but it's not identical to the United States so what most people are referencing here means fuck all\n\nhttps://practiceguides.chambers.com/practice-guides/copyright-2021/japan/trends-and-developments", "Sure it's shit. \n\nBut, hey. \n\nI'm not sure how people can be so blind to youtube and entitled about being \"A COMPANY OWNER\" no... It's a pyramid scheme. You're an employee Has been since they introduced ads.\n\nIt's not your company. It's googles, and you are simply an employee providing ad revenue for google. But at least you're paid well for your efforts. \n\nThing is.. It was never your company and it was ALWAYS at risk as outlined in your contract. \n\nUnless you are hosting your own content on your own sight. What has happen will always be a risk and your should plan before hand accordingly. \n\nSaying that. Google etc are shit heads for dropping the bomb. \n\nHopefully this guy can claw back some dignity and income.", "Seriously. It was fuckin' weird. \n\nThey did sell it in more...privileged markets (US, Europe, Middle East, and of course, Japan), but not in Australia. Not even legendary and mythical [Stefan](https://www.stefan.com.au), who was a favoured client, could rock up with a truckload of perm-and-dye cash and convince Sony Australia to sell it to him. (Stefan bought one of the first 84\" 4K TVs in the country from the store just before I started.)\n\nMy guess is that it's because Sony isn't really a...unified company. What it's more like is a series of city-states. You had the TV city-state, the audio city-state, the professional video city-state...and so on. They never used to talk to one another. \n\nFor example, Sony has been making arguably the best imaging sensors for over 20 years. Yet, back when they were making phones with Ericsson, they rarely used Sony sensors. They just never talked. They went out and shopped for sensors the way your or I would if we were making a phone. Aptina, Samsung, whatever. \n\nAnd, hey: you'd think audio processing technology they used on their stereos back in the 90s would come in handy on, say, a TV, right? Right? Yet you'd never see the same sought of sound processing tech on their TVs. The divisons just never talked to each other.\n\nSo my guess is that someone at Sony HQ just decreed \"All Global Sony Stores Shall Have A Full [Sony Premium](http://www.sonypremiumhome.com) Home Theatre Demonstration Room\", and no one fed back to them that hey, like only half the countries we have Sony Stores in are actually allowed to sell that gear.", "How did advertising novels violate the TOS? It's not like these were kiddie animal snuff novels, right? Normal publishers would have put your books out if you'd suddenly blown up like the Martian guy, right?", "Hey man. There was the Broom Closet.", "Why would they help the unpaid employees? They're helping their actual customers instead. How much ad buy do you think content creators on YouTube account for? I'm willing to bet it's well south of 1%, probably by at least a couple orders of magnitude.\n\nYouTube is working tirelessly to improve the experience for their actual customers: the giant corporations and IP holders that spend billions advertising.\n\nHate that all you like (I do!) but don't be confused about what's going on here.", "Australian here, we're always the first to go restriction wise and I can watch it just fine.", "Actually, just to let you know, it's not too long.", "It's a shame really because tfs dbz is honestly just better thsn the original.\n\nWhen I see a dbz character now, I think of their dbza character/personality not the original anymore.", "Same, but trying to find a software job that pays well is a chore.", "It's what happens when you automate everything and have policies dictated by bots that just automatically go after everything regardless of context. And not having real humans in charge of YouTube who actually have to review claims/cases, because they're too lazy and cheap to organize it. YouTube creators should've quit en masse when they announced it and forced them to back down. But it's too late now.", "It's what happens when you automate everything and have YouTube policies dictated by bots or companies that pay troll farms to tag everything as copyright infringement that just automatically go after everything and DMCA it regardless of context. And not having real humans in charge of YouTube who actually have to manually review claims/cases, because they're too lazy and cheap to organize it. YouTube creators should've quit en masse when they announced it and forced them to back down. But it's too late now.", "Maybe it's just japanese companies? Because Nintendo are exactly the fucking same. Also living in the past.", "Sorry but you're wrong my guy. It's Toei's IP and they don't even know your name. Fair Use or not, unless you're planning to take them to court, this is already done. Not sure Fair Use even applies in Japan? If it doesn't, this fight was over before it started. \n\nChange up your editing style and you'll be fine. Japan doesn't play around with IP and copyright.\n\nEdit - Japan does have a fair use law, but it's not identical to the United States so what most people are referencing here means fuck all\n\nhttps://practiceguides.chambers.com/practice-guides/copyright-2021/japan/trends-and-developments", "Companies don't want some of the money, they want all of the money. And if they can't get all of the money, then they don't want any of it.", "Couple the old, set in the ways top brass with a corporate culture where you aren't supposed to push back on your seniors and you get absolutely no progress.", "Jesus. Reddit sure does have a hard-on for thinking that Youtube owes people a living.", "shit that sucks", ">Dude, this is such a cop out argument. \n> \n>It's like saying that min wage workers don't deserve better pay or working conditions because they know what they signed up for.\n\nNo its not, in what world can a McDonalds employee earn millions of dollars because they are amazing at flipping burgers. Its not comparable at all. Comparing YouTubers to salaried employees is the dumbest argument ever because it doesn't matter if someone makes 1 burger or 100 burgers in an hour, they will get paid the same. Making money on YouTube is the same as contract work, you are directly compensated by the quality of your product and how much work (views) you get. Its laughable that you think someone could make a Mr Beast salary doing a minimum wage job. Oh, and minimum wage employees aren't stealing other peoples work and using it to make their money.\n\nI mean another thing that disproves this weak comparison is that he is complaining that videos taken down from years ago affect how much money he makes, does a minimum wage employee still make money from work they did 3 weeks ago let alone 3 years ago? no.\n\nI get that the comparison is knowing what you sign up for, but its just so stupid to use the minimum wage argument, what about a loan, are you suggesting that people shouldn't have to pay the interest on a loan they take out and agree to? because that's what your argument is implying. That people can sign up for whatever they want and then deserve everything under the sun when the thing they agree to does exactly what they agreed to. \n\n\nComparing YouTube creation to working a bare minimum job just to get by and put food on the table is simply not the same. No one on earth has to generate and maintain a successful stream just to put food on the table. Where as minimum wage employees have little chance to find an alternative. \n\n\n>You're also forgetting that YouTube profits off these people, especially larger names. It's free because they are the product, and it's profitable to do so.\n\nI never forgot that, in fact I put a foot note in my original comment because I knew that someone would come along and claim this exact argument. What you are forgetting is that for every successful YouTuber that makes money on the platform, there are 999,999 ones that aren't successful and YouTube still provides them free hosting for those millions of hours of video, so yes, absolutely they should be profiting off the successful ones because those people would never have become successful had it not been YouTube providing them a service FOR FREE while they established themselves as content creators.\n\nI used to work for a company that had an internal program and that internal program was that if you had a good business Idea and pitched it to the company and the company liked it and wanted to pursue it, that the company would give you the time to create the product in house and in return, the company owned the product and you'd get 10-20% of all the revenue streams from it, YouTube is exactly the same, you take on 0 risk trying your hand at being a streamer or content creator outside of making your video, you don't need to pay any business start up costs and in return YouTube gets a bulk of the add revenue, I don't know what dystopian world you come from where you think that arrangement is unfair, probably the same world that a guy using someone else's intellectual property for profit is a good person.\n\n>What's bullshit is how slow the appeals process is for bulk reports, like this guy is pointing out. 37 years to appeal 155 videos claimed at once isn't a reasonable process in any form. And remember, each 2 month (potential) process leads to full legal action, something that's not affordable at that kind of scale for most, hell something that I'd wager any big name on the platform would just abandon for due to costs.\n\nAnd he is absolutely welcome to stop using YouTube, pay for his own website and host his own content.\n\n>If Youtube wanted to give me a job to improve, I'm all down. But don't act like we should give them free shit that somehow counters their \"free\" shit they profit off of.\n\nI'm suggesting that if you don't like the platform, don't use it, because they do offer free shit where they make 0 profit. Again, what you're doing is cherry picking, you're saying that this one youtuber is hard done by and youtube makes millions off his work but completely forgetting about the millions of other users they cater for that they make no money off of. Thats what you get signing up to youtube, the success stories fund the non success stories but they wouldnt be success stories in the first place if they didn't sign up to that platform.\n\n>Youtube takes risks for your uploads to be profitable enough to keep free. Streamlining and improving the appeals process would actually save money. I fail to see how a 37 year process that's managed by Google is cheaper than a bulk process for cases like these.\n\nWhat you're suggesting is that, at no cost to the YouTuber, that YouTube must bow down to their demands to process requests as quickly as the YouTuber deems appropriate. I think a good middle ground would be that if someone wants to fast track the process they should pay the bill for the manpower involved in doing so.\n\nImagine asking for a free ride to the airport and then kicking a stink because the ride can only be there in 30 mins instead of 2.\n\n>Streamlining and improving the appeals process would actually save money.\n\nSays you, YouTube are basically responsible for pretty much hosting almost every single video uploaded around the world for the plus 10+ years, each of them can be subject to copyright infringement in some way and you want absolutely every single case of copyright infringement to be handled, almost immediately on YouTubes dime. Pull your head out your ass mate.\n\n>The single biggest is that Youtube is the biggest horse out there.\n\nMySpace was king until someone made Facebook, theres no reason if there is so much discontent for what YouTube is offering the world that you can't make a reasonable competitor, or, you can admit that you can't because you'd need to pay for a significant amount of infrastructure before you could conceivably profit off of a single person using the platform. YouTube is such an evil company until the second you need to put in critical thought about how you'd establish a competitor to them.\n\n>You have to put up or leave the industry, in many cases. Patreon is even supporting a ton of youtubers now because of revenue streams being axed to make it unprofitable.\n\nBecause advertisers get to choose what their products are advertised on, or do you think that all content deserves all advertisers money regardless of the context? The reason the rules change is because people paying for their adverts to go on the platform having changing demands, YouTube don't demonitise people for shits and giggles. Its to avoid being sued out of existence for copyright infringement and because advertisers have stated they don't want their products associated with some content.\n\n>Average youtubers make a lot less than you think my dude, especially for the work involved.\n\nI know exactly how much the average youtuber makes. sweet fuck all, but that has literally nothing to do with copyright infringement or fair use laws. I mean I literally went to this guys channel and can already see instances of immediate copyright infringement, the fact he uses copyrighted intellectual property (anime artwork) in the thumbnails of his videos is copyright infringement, the thumbnail is not a parody, a thumbnail is not a review and using their art is not transformative in any way.\n\nBut you and the rest of the people around here seem to think that people can just take whatever the fuck they want and use it how they see fit without understanding the law, then cry and cry and cry in these stupid videos once it comes back to bite them in the ass.\n\nHaven't you ever heard that ignorance of the law is no excuse? anyone defending this bullshit is either a child or an idiot.", "Youtube is just obeying DMCA laws. Youtube has 0 saying in this. If Youtube gets a DMCA claim on a video they have to immediately hide it and wait for the resolution or else Youtube can be sued too. Like he said in the video, all the claims/counter claim process is done directly between the parties involved. \n\nThe last step of this counter claim process is going to court, the company that claimed the video has 15 days to show Youtube that they sued the creator, if they don't the video gets reinstated.\n\nYoutube is allowing this to happen because they would be breaking the law if they didn't. All websites must comply with DMCA laws", "let's get those fuckers!", "> copyright claimants should have to pony up money to make a copyright claim.\n\nThat doesn't seem fair at all if someone steals your work you have to pay to have it removed.", "Honestly Toei seems like such a petty company, I would only be mildly surprised if they cut off Funimation entirely over something entirely inconsequential. Like idk, a disagreement with copyrighting a fucking YouTube video with less than 20 views of a 6 year old drawing a vaguely Goku shaped stick figure", "That might be, but a company both leveraging this type of content while going after their creators is still hypocritical. Someone has founded, funded and scoped these departments. Just because an organization is fragmented does not absolve them from hypocrisy.", "So if you don't get a formal agreement prior, you roll the dice. This is a case where that didn't work out.\n\nSo this guy built a livelyhood on a gamble.\n\nJapan doesn't practice an identical Fair Use law. Their's is different and is frequently amended.", "I have dealt with licensing anime from one of the largest Japanese companies.\nIt's a fucking nightmare. It's so much bureaucracy you won't believe it. If I'm licensing a movie for a screening from a French or Danish or American company, I'll just send an email and they'll invoice me. That's it. Notable exception is Warner, they have this whole application system in place but it's not that much more complicated. \n\nIf it's a Japanese conpany, oh boy..\nAnime is usually not made by one single normal company, but something like a committee of investment groups from all sorts of random companies. These all have to get together and have their say if you'll be allowed to screen their content. If they agree to it, then you have to land on a fee with one person and a contract is drafter up, printed and then the CEO has to stamp the contract with his special stamp. This contract is then not scanned and emailed as a pdf. It is shipped by courier across the entire fucking world, and then you're expected to sign it and ship it back. For showing an anime movie to like 50 people once or twice.", "With big companies there are multiple departments. \n\nWhat Steve at Marketing is doing is not known by Karen at Copyright. This leads to the snake eating it’s own tail in a few instances. \n\n\nIn this case I would say they are using some kind of spider to to DMCA take down of there IP. The few seconds between. I doubt it’s even human controlled. They just get a rapport that they slap on a managers desk with we banned this many stolen property this year. So now I’m entitled to my bonus. \n\n\nIn reality it’s 100% YT fault. \n\nif YT had implemented full DMCA take down where the claimer have to prove there right after initial takedown. Then the problem would go away. Because Takedowns are so impactful only for one side.", "Guess you haven't heard the latest shocking news from Apple.\n\nhttps://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/11/apple-announces-self-service-repair/", "Downloading the vast majority of media for free is guilt free", "Haven't Japan invented every new media format of the last, what, 40-50 years? VHS (and Betamax), DVD, Blu Ray, mp3 (at least the precursor to it; the file type they minidisc used is what mp3 was based on, and minidisc is another Japanese innovation that was extremely successful everywhere that wasn't North America). Even SD cards were invented by Japan. The idea of portable tape and CD players was a Japanese thing too, we probably wouldn't have mp3 players if not for Japan making the Walkman and discman so ubiquitous, owned by everyone.\n \nNot to mention inventing the modern video game. Albeit the video game crash was only a North American thing, people in Europe never actually stopped playing games, so video games would have existed with or without the NES and Mario, but Nintendo have definitely influenced how every game made by anyone else was designed. Like there'd be no sonic without Mario, the idea of Sonic came about cos Yuji Naka hated the early levels of super Mario bros and so tried to speedrun them essentially (before speedrunning was really a thing yet), and so made Sonic based in that principle. Nintendo are like the beatles, everything that came after them was influenced by them, even if the band/developer afterwards say they hate the beatles/Nintendo. So many things that are standard in video games these days were invented by Nintendo \n \nNot to mention all the stuff like 8mm video format for camcorders, along with Digital 8, and Mini DV\n \nAnd yeah everything up to and including the best current format, UHD Blu Ray (or 4k blu ray)\n \nThe next new media format is being developed in Japan currently, that goes beyond UHD. But it's not really for storing a single movie on them. They're called Archival Disc. And essentially they're designed to be used to store mass amounts of data for centuries, if not longer, because they're extremely damage proof, they can't be jolted or wiped magnetically like hard drives can, they are resistant to flooding and to physical damage from things like dust and sand that can kill DVDs, CDs and blu rays, etc. They'll stand up to anything and the data enclosed in them will remain protected and complete. They're gonna start off with sizes of the disc up to and including 6TB. But they're future proofing it, so that in theory it could end up at any size. We could end up with ones that hold thousands of TB.\n \nAnyway, with all of this it seems like Japan is absolutely fine at innovating. Seems to be what they normally do. I don't know what their business culture is like because I've never been there or even met a Japanese person before, I just know that for whatever reason, they're constantly innovating.\n \nMaybe all the innovation is top down. Like I know that's what happened with the Walkman. The CEO of Sony had this expensive bulky tape recorder/player that was very expensive and not sold on the general market, only to journalists who needed to record interviews. So he told his engineers to slim it down as much as possible, and make it sound much better, and then sell it to people as a portable music player that played cassettes. It worked. Maybe all innovation is top down like that in Japan. But either way they seem to have no problem achieving innovation.", "It's much larger than launch window looking at steam charts.\n\nThat rollback netcode got everyone interested.", "\n>I feel that it is also one of the reasons why they just don't get online gaming and multiplayer.\n\nJapan, for all it's hi-tech creations, doesn't get internet in general. See Johnny's(+other talent agencies) and music streaming for example. The media industry there seems like they live in fear of the internet and the infinite possibility of letting fans fan over their fandoms.", "> It seem like as a very insular culture\n\nYou should see the lengths it takes to get things shipped from Japan sometimes. You can buy things from some bigger sites, even somewhat niche products, you can sometimes buy off of eBay, but if you want a very specific item there is a damn decent chance you will have to pay a company to buy it for you and have it shipped in country who in turn will ship it off to you. I priced out some promotional keychains from a theatrical release as a gift and all together the items were expected to fun $50 for some plastic and a small metal ring.", "looks like you got Fucked...oh well time to get a real job...oh... don't know how to do anything else? whoops... doubly Fucked...Time to learn some Life Skills.. and maybe a Job Skill or two...", "Anime is such a fucked up business on all sides that piracy is widely accepted in the community - western companies like Crunchyroll (think Netflix for anime) are shit ([terrible website/app](https://www.reddit.com/r/Crunchyroll/comments/hi9wdo/my_issues_with_crunchyroll/), [severely underpays translators](https://www.reddit.com/r/Crunchyroll/comments/htcdn5/its_impossible_to_live_as_a_crunchyroll_translator/), and [re-contextualizes scenes in dubs to suit their politics](https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/6l6d5n/dub_writers_using_characters_as_ideological/)), the studio management can be problematic as evinced in this video (plus the usual shit death march work culture in Japan), and so on. If you want to actually support the creators, you're encouraged to buy the manga or light novels that most anime is based on, and if the studio is good but the distributor is bad you can always buy the company's merch (i.e. Studio Trigger is selling the actual sheets of paper that were used to animate Little Witch Academia). It's a real shame because the product is often so good I want to support its production and don't mind paying for it, but it's hard to justify spending money with such awful companies.\n\nedit: the third link about Crunchyroll is actually about Funimation. Still proves the same point, just about a different company in the same vein as Crunchyroll.", "Its worth noting that the TTS creator made it very clear that no-one from GW told him to stop nor spoke to him at all.", "I don't understand why he just doesn't take TOEI to court? Would he not have a case? Sure it's expensive and time consuming, but it would help set a precedent for these kinds of things.", "Even many developing countries like India are getting more and more on board with mobile/electronic payments over cash.", "The Japanese way of business and diplomacy works by establishing a single point of contact or officer in charge (tantousha) for every transaction or inquiry in the area.\n\nIf you aren't big enough, no direct dealership for you. You gotta go to your regional or country POC and give them a slice.\n\nYou don't evaluate people by his net worth in Japan. You look at his company's capital.", "So it's fine in your books to do this for video games or music?", "Speak for yourself", "Yeah, that would be a copyright claim. There should be repercussions for a false copyright claim.", "What we should be doing is pooling our minds, money and motivation together and create a new Youtube that is run by Redditors and is designed to be far more financially favorable and protective of it's creators - assuming they aren't stealing content. And right now is by far the most prime time to do this considering the shitstorm Youtube is currently in.", "They don't - they don't allow streaming the same stream to multiple platforms simultaneously (while being monetized), but you can run separate streams on different platforms at different times. I follow plenty of streamers that use both Twitch and YouTube, fully monetized; they just run, say, Twitch streams M/W/F and YT streams T/Th/Sat. Some streamers just accept the lost monetization and stream to multiple platforms, relying on things like Patreon for funding.\n\nI can't speak for Facebook since I don't watch live streams there but I'm confident their policy is similar.", "With an opinion like that, it seems like you also disapprove of critical reviews, literary theories, literary analysis, parodies, and fan-made animations/edits.", "Germany is still like that, mostly cash based. Which seems nuts to me. But they just seem to prefer it, even though chip and pin is far safer and secure than carrying around hundreds of euros with you wherever you go.", "I'd imagine if Japanese car manufacturers let electric win they are gonna loose their massive investment in hydrogen power. I've been looking through university labs for postgrad and 90% of the unis has a separate department with multiple labs dedicated just for hydrogen power.", " I had many times (both search and recommendation [just can't recall if google or youtube search]).\n\n Comments also had dislike buttons and would be hidden behind a click if it has x amount of dislikes.\n\n\n If they don't want a spam they should just being the start system back. That way you don't rate love or hate, but rather how much you like that video.", "TAKE WHAT YOU CAN! GIVE NOTHING BACK!", "They may get inspired or motivated to consume the reviewed content. It might add to their interest in a positive way. Which indirectly benefits Toei, via positive WOM etc. \n\nSo if you're dealing with this on a daily basis: What did Mark do wrong when it comes to copyright? What did he misunderstand? What are we getting wrong? I'd love to learn more. \n\n\nRegarding Colbert I agree with u/u_suck_paterson that they might have had licenses that allowed them to use the content the way they did.", "Wouldn’t it stand to reason that they’d do a mass takedown of videos on YouTube that are over a certain length, meaning they could be full or partial episodes, so doing it this way makes the most sense. \n\nHonestly he should reach out to them through the channel it would appear he has to communicate with them and inquire as to what has happened to the videos.", "That part where you mentioned Colbert - I GUARANTEE you they licensed that footage.", "Imagine calling the original voices bad because you don't like that it's a woman 🗿", "What?\n\n\n Also, good luck taking everybody of the one platform to entertain them all.\n\n\n Just like steam, if the game goes somewhere else, the user base will just find another game. It's easier than leaving steam.\n\n That's why Epic has been spending so much cash to literally buy you into their service.", "lol and? 😭 it's their content still, who cares what fans he brought in? fans of those shows ask everybody if they watched one piece or dragon ball anyway so his service isn't needed!", "Nebula is the absolute best competitor to YouTube. It's run by Curiosity Stream, and they pay a bunch of the absolute best YouTubers to also upload their videos to Nebula, although often they're actually extended editions of the YouTube videos, with more copyrighted content in them because they don't have to fight the content ID bots. They also make exclusive videos for Nebula. And not everyone can make videos. It's a very well curated list of YouTubers. Only the best of the best. \n \nThe only thing is you HAVE to set up a Nebula account through the code the youtuber gives out in their video. You can't just go and make an account on nebula to watch videos. And even if you have a curiosity stream account already, you need to close that and open a new account to be able to get Nebula along with curiosity stream. It's a really dumb system.\n \nBut it is* worth is.", "Check out Nebula, it's already got almost all of the best YouTubers on it. Nebula is the absolute best competitor to YouTube that I've found. It's run by Curiosity Stream, and they pay a bunch of the absolute best YouTubers to also upload their videos to Nebula, although often they're actually extended editions of the YouTube videos, with more copyrighted content in them because they don't have to fight the content ID bots. They also make exclusive videos for Nebula. And not everyone can make videos. It's a very well curated list of YouTubers. Only the best of the best.", "hell, even several years after youtube created copyright ID system, you were able to actually watch the entirety of dragonball on like 23 hour long videos.\n\nI remember being able to watch all of DBGT in 2016 with like no issues", "A viable alternative has already arisen. It's called nebula. It already has all the best YouTubers on there. Nebula is the absolute best competitor to YouTube I've ever found. It's run by Curiosity Stream, and they pay a bunch of the absolute best YouTubers to also upload their videos to nebula, although often they're actually extended editions of the YouTube videos, with more copyrighted content in them because they don't have to fight the content ID bots. They also make exclusive videos for Nebula. And not everyone can make videos. It's a very well curated list of YouTubers. Only the best of the best. \n \nThe only thing is you HAVE to set up a Nebula account through the code the youtuber gives out in their video. You can't just go and make an account on nebula to watch videos. And even if you have a curiosity stream account already, you need to close that and open a new account to be able to get Nebula along with curiosity stream. It's a really dumb system.\n \nBut it is worth is.", "I at some point stopped watching anything by Toei. Not only because of how terrible they are as a company, but also because they are so terrible at making anime. They live off of One Piece and partially Dragon Ball, but god damn, have you seen anime by Toei in recent history? Some of the worst production values Ive ever seen. Usually just cash grabs.\n\nSailor Moon Crystal was such a disappointment, Especially for someone like me who grew up with the original Sailormoon in the 90s and was a huge fan.", ">nah, his videos were labors of love and free advertising\n\nLet me ask you a question. Lets say that you download Ableton, learn all the skills to use it and make an awesome EDM track that you think is just great. Then someone without asking takes that track, changes it a little bit, then uploads it. Making tons of money.\n\nTheir remix would indeed be a labour of love, if they love making remixes. It would also be free advertising to you, as they would be able to look for your work later on if they want to. But does that make it okay? can people just take whatever they like and do whatever they want with it and it be allowed because, technically, while they are making a living off your work its free advertising?\n\nThe law is the same for everyone, from the big company to the little guy. When Taylor Swift stole that womans design and used it without her permission, people got angry that this girls hard work was just taken off her for Taylor Swift to profit, but the law works both ways, if someone took a piece of artwork from a massive company and used it inappropriately without permission, why do all of a sudden we side with the thief?\n\nIts either wrong or its not, you can't have it both ways, you can't get upset if a company steals some lonely artists work and uses it to profit, but then make excuses when some random YouTuber does the same thing to a big company.\n\n>his videos were his unique analysis and opinions and taking away 3 years worth of work from him for no reason is\n\nI guarantee that you and the 99% of other people supporting this guy have [a very very fundamental misunderstanding of how fair use law works](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU&t=1125s), you can't just do whatever you like and call it transformative. In order for his videos to pass fair use, he would need to critique both the show AND the art simultaneously as the video is playing. If he critics the actions of the characters and not the art, one can argue that he is profiting off of the use of the anime art and not reviewing the art itself, making it not transformative and not fair use.\n\nYou say for no reason, but there absolutely is a reason, copyright infringement.\n\n>purely idiotic\n\nThe only thing purely idiotic is that a YouTuber that likely infringed on someones hard work because they misunderstand fair use is trying to make a bunch of ignorant people on the internet come to their aid because they are equally as oblivious to how fair use law works.\n\nFair Use is insanely complex, you don't just get to do whatever the fuck you want with other peoples work and then deem whatever you do as being 'ok' under fair use. The same way I can't just break into your house and take your car and claim it isn't theft because I was going to return it so it was just borrowing.\n\nThis thread is just filled with thousands of people that are angry purely because they have no idea what the law is.", "Sigh, Japanese companies.", "What the fuck man?", "> Sure, they could shut down operations in Japan, but there's no way that will happen.\n\n[This is part of why](https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Most_Super_Chatted_YouTube_Channels). Coco's still #1 and she graduated (ceased activity as the Kiryu Coco character) five months ago. Of the rest of the top 20, all but two are either Japanese or vtubers working for Japanese agencies. Of Coco's nearly $3m in superchats, YouTube got a substantial portion of that (around 30%). They also take revenue from memberships (analogous to Twitch subscriptions), though I wasn't able to find numbers indicating where those are coming from (I know Hololive and other vtuber agencies rely on memberships as well as superchats though).", "Fiar use is based on an international treaty that all signing members have copyright laws that meet certain standards. \n\nThe details and wording will be different, but Japan is a signatory so it will be substantially the same.", "> Funimation, apparently, was fine with them though.\n\nBecause DBZA is fair use. It's transformative parody content, which is explicitly protected by American and most western copyright law. This problem is coming from a Japanese company trying to enforce Japanese copyright law around the world.", "> Even though it was in the line of fair use. \n\nVery, very unlikely to be true. Free Use as Reddit and the larger internet understands it isn't even close to the actual definition.", "Except that it is a company, that hires its own employees, pays its taxes and produces its own content. \n\nThe best advice for small content creators is to diversify. Be in lots of places so that your not too dependent on one platform. \n\nBut they are there own company, and many companies are entirely dependent on other companies for their business.", "However, it's such a huge platform that leaving would be career suicide.", "Most of you literally jerk off to their shit cartoons\n\nAfter typing this, I clicked on this guys name and the first post was requesting the name of Japanese porn. Lmao you can’t even parody these neckbeards", "For the most part, it is. But Japan's version has baked in several very specific amendments for just this type of thing apparently. Article said they make adjustments frequently.", "[Found an example of copyright infringement in his videos](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPYF-ThmRJE)\n\nFrom 24 seconds onwards he shows anime artwork of Izuku Midoriya.\n\nHe can use this under two conditions of fair use:\n\n1. He is reviewing or criticising it\n2. He is making a parody of the art but the parody directly relates to the art.\n\nHe does neither of these, he talks about the context of the character itself, but he in no way reviews the art, the art style, how its drawn, anything that constitutes use of the art in his videos.\n\nThis is another case of an entitled YouTuber taking someone else's intellectual property, doing whatever the hell they want with it, then calling it 'fair use' as a blanket statement to justify the theft of other peoples work.\n\nEdit: you fuckwits can downvote all you want but it won’t change the law", "Go outside find a metal pole and just get a grip bro, you whine about me crying then you crawl back here saying that you totally weren't crying but I was. Total hypocrite.", "It bothers me that we live in a world where a company can be this inept and still flourish.", "\"I cannot and will not support this company, so I won't be covering the DB movie... I will keep covering One Piece stuff though, because, obviously, money... But yeah, we need to take a stand!\"", "Japan 100% has exceptions to copyright for review, critique and pastiche of copyrighted works. It’s a part of international copyright recognition under the TRIPS agreement and earlier treaties. \n\nHowever, their “fair dealing” standard which reflects the standard in most countries outside the US, is far more restrictive in terms of what is permitted to use. The US is one of the very few countries to have such a permissive system. \n\n“Transformative works” need a licence in most parts of the world. You can’t just have footage of the show running in the background because it’s tangentially running in the background, despite what YouTubers get away with. These anime companies are well within their rights because youtube “reviewers” massively overuse the content they’re critiquing for the sake of entertainment.", "Can confirm, indian here and have no issues streaming it without vpn", "R/dbz deleted it when I posted it there because it's promotion for a YouTuber.", "> \"Yeah you clearly are reviewing the video and your audio is totally original in the entire video... No strike needed.\"\n\nIt doesn't matter, you can't just start a theatre where all you do is host pirated movies without audio and talk over it, regardless of what you say. Because that would be fucking insane, the original work is far more than just audio.\n\nIf you think you're in the right, go to court and watch a judge laugh you right out of it.\n\nOr better yet, imagine if someone took your review video and only provided the audio, with random pictures they made up. Yeah, you'd be pissed because they essentially stole your IP. Which itself was highly questionable in the first place based on your description but I digress.", "There is no other option for a freely viewable platform open to creators that can get any traction. Vimeo is useless, Facebook is fraudulent. Twitch is a whole different thing, and has its own issues. Youtube doesn't even want to be youtube, they've been desperately trying to get away from everything they used to be for the past 5+ years. There are only a few companies in the world that could create a true Youtube competitor, and they'd all be acutely aware of the endless crap they deal with as a platform and would want no part of it. Everyone wants to be a Netflix instead, locked down and safe.", "Pretty much. Say if people figure out X character is going to die, If he knew that everybody is expecting that he might want to change it so theres still a suprise", "I'm prolly 10yrs old then lol, born in 93 :)", "And what are the ads run on?", "You're arguing with children unfortunately. Reddit is already pretty young, but when you've got obvious youtube drama that average age plummets, couple that with anime and the average commenter in this thread is likely in their tweens.", "Reminds me of Terry Pratchett who used to participate in forums and newsgroups back in the day, but stopped because he didn't want to be influenced by peoples' speculation or deal with people accusing him of plagiarising their ideas. This was in the 90s!", "I dont know this guy but i just skimmed his videos. I think the copyright strike is warranted. These arent \"reviews\". Calling them reviews doesnt make them reviews. He literally goes through whole chapters episodes and talks about them. Imagine making a 45 minute avengers endgame \"review\" where you go over all the details then use \"its a review\" as a defense", "He would lose and not only be out his legal fees, but likely have to pay the opposing fees, and then to top it all off be _legally_ barred from ever doing his videos again.\n\nLook at a much more mature/professional industry, film. When professionals review movies, at _most_ you'll have scenes from the trailer. Other than that, it'll be text or a person sitting in a room talking, but never even remotely approaching extensive showing of the source content they're reviewing. That's because they've actually sat down with lawyers and discussed what constitutes fair use, rather than parroting some absurd interpretation of it.", "You have a problem with Japanese porn or porn in general? You mentioned cartoons and then talk about me asking about a specific porn. You alright , my dude?", "This isn't just Toei. Its a Japan issue.\n\nIf you even want to show a logo of an animation company it has to pass like 20+ people in a company and you'll hear back in 2-3 weeks.\n\nThey have so many middle managers and so much red tape for literally anything its a nightmare to deal with.\n\nIf you've ever lived in Japan you'll understand. Even signing up for a gym can take 2+ hours, even if you understand Japanese at a N1 level.\n\nPeople treat Japan as some kind of utopia, especially online. But there's a MASSIVE difference between being a tourist there and actually living there.\n\nEnjoy getting a license or setting up a bank account.", "What's really mindblowing is that ATMs don't operate 24/7 and, depending on the bank, might even be offline for days during holidays.", "Those people truly work bullshit jobs", "Nintendo years ago? They pull this bullshit now", "Works in Belgium too.", "Guess it applies forever now?", "Care to elaborate? I’m no expert in this and I’d love to learn more.", "#freemelee", ">That's BS. You think the people viewing his videos run out and buy the things? I'd wager many more get their fill of it by watching the review and never follow up in any way.\n\nIf those people exist, they were hardly going to buy it themselves anyway, so there was nothing to be gained from them. But it's unlikely people would regularly tune into review type content of media they don't consume. They'd either move on or start watching/reading themselves. The amount of people who watch his videos and consume the stuff he makes the videos about would be a very close venn diagram.", "It doesn't just suck it's absolutely pathetic", "Sorry if I don't have sympathy for a company making billions of dollars which built itself on small creators?", ">TFS is moving onto other things \n\nLike what?", "Oda: I know they exist, and I have actually watch a number of them. I am surprised, everyone is really detailed, and the theories too, they actually predict future story so I stop watching them lol\n\nIt's dangerous for me to consider all my readers to be at that level, after all there are plenty of casual readers too, I need to draw One Piece that can be enjoyed by anyone.\n\nSeeing people that understand things so well will corrupt me lol, \"ah I don't have to explain stuff here, they'll get it\" So yeah, I won't be checking anyone, just get along and enjoy...\n___\nFrom SBS 101. So yeah, nothing to do with the copyright issues. Just his thoughts on One Piece YouTubers, specifically Japanese ones I believe.", "I'm just thinking if it even makes any sense for any platform like that to do anything differently. If I say that I legally own your content are we really expecting Youtube to start doing legal arbitration to figure out if that is the case? It doesn't make any sense.\n\nI sympathise with this person, obviously, but the recourse here is either to put public pressure on the company that is claiming the videos in hope that the bad publicity will make them change there stance, or it is filing a counter-claim.", "It IS Youtube which is to blame.\n\nThe DMCA provides a specific means by which a company may contest copyright. And if copyright owners had to go through that process for every video they wanted to take down, it would be onerous. They'd first have to search for the videos by having people actually discover and watch them to spot copyright violations. For music this would mean having to listen to the entire video basically. And then they'd have to send a notice of takedown, and Youtube would allow the user to submit a counter notice. None of which should result in monetization being removed from the video. Then it would be up to the company to choose to sue the creator over the copyright violation, and in the meantime the content would remain up. But that would be so expensive to do with so many infringers that corporations could only go after the biggest players whom they'd actually be likely to win some money from.\n\nInstead however, Youtube bends over backwards for these assholes, providing them an automated way to search for infringing content, and then banning the creator if they get too many strikes, in spite of the law not requring that. They could automate the takedown without making it easy for the copyright owners to search for violators, so it wouldn't cost them any more to be dicks and make it as hard as possible by following the letter of the law, but instead they want the big players to put content on their platform and buy ads, so they go out of their way to help them find violators.", "To be fair, most of Sony is made of failure outside of PlayStation.", "The DMCA protects Youtube. As long as youtube takes down content when a DMCA notice is filed, and restores it when a counter notice is filed, and takes it down again if the creator loses the lawsuit if if one is filed, them they're in the clear. They have no obligation under the law to provide an automated means for content creators to scan every video for two second audio clips, or to provide them with an automated system where a creator can simply submit a bit of copyrighted media, and automatically issue takedown notices to every video using it.", "It might be a bit unrealistic, but why doesn't the internet community start a \"legal union\" where everyone covers each other's legal problems? Seems like a good investment, cover someone else's legal fees as if it's your case because it's your field on the line, they counter sue for legal fees, you potentially get your money back, and they don't fuck with sites marked as a \"union\".", "YouTube is not worthy of having \"You\" in its name. The shit deserves to have poop or corpTube as its name, but go ahead and call it just a tube.", "YouTube is not a job, You are not employed by youtube. It's a profitable hobby. \nJapanese companies are going to act accordingly to the laws in japan. They don't give a shit about anything outside of Japan. \nDon't like it: Don't use clips of Japanese media. \n\n\nYoutube is an uploading service. Not a place of employment. They have no responsibility to help you in any way, shape or form. \n\n\nIt sucks. But all you have to do is remove the clips of the animation, and re-upload the videos. There is no need for a 8 minute dram video and crying about family, Christmas and unfairness. \n\n\nYoutube will not change, Japan will not change. You have to learn how to work around them. Learn how to use the world to your advantage instead of complaining about how shitty the world is.", "Because the person was probably high enough that no one dared even think, let alone mention, the possibility of any kind of \"advice\" that the senior VP company head....person might be mistaken or wrong.\n\nTheir word is Divine Providence incarnate and the mere thought that their ideas might be wrong, mistaken, uninformed, or even possible \"bad\" is unthinkable. \n\nIt's not just Japan that has that issue, though it does seen more prominent there, and happens more often in the corporate world than it should. \n\nNo one is infallible, but good luck convincing someone in a high enough position they aren't. A peasent drone speaking word that the chief officer for the Australian brach sales department might be mistaken? Might as well go bang their head against the wall for 8 hours a day until they're fired or retire for all the good it'd do. \n\nSome people spend so long trying to claw their way to the top that they forget what it was like to deal with their own bosses who behaved in such ways. \n\nAlmost sad in a way.", "Fuck them!!!", "Yep see [this guide](https://i.redd.it/ec0cxkdlwpl61.png) for what is required to make your meme be ok to appear on a Japanese Youtuber's meme review video. It's very different from the US.", "[Tom Scott puts it much better than I ever could. Really engaging video on the topic.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU)", "> That's BS. You think the people viewing his videos run out and buy the things? I'd wager many more get their fill of it by watching the review and never follow up in any way.\n\nAgreed entirely. I know more than one person who doesn't read manga, but just watches chapter reviews. I can't wrap my head around it myself, but I guess it's kind'a like watching a Let's Play.\n\n>He quotes Colbert using \"more footage\" while apparently thinking his own enterprise is even in the same fucking building as the corporations behind Colbert? LOL.\n\nColbert probably has actual rights with the companies, rather than assumed rights via YouTube's agreements. Same deal with a previous complaint I saw a Youtuber make about Kimmel not getting pinged for advertising in the same way normal people were... except Kimmel's team had advertising agreements they'd negotiated themselves, rather than the general one that Youtube has negotiated on behalf of it's creators.", "Lovely, thank you very much!", "YouTube is broken. The algorithm is broken. Unless you are some creep or weirdo making content for kids, you need a patreon. Sure, they still run ads on your video that took you weeks to finish and then demonitized, you just see none of that money.", "He lifted it in like 2017, but \"fuck sega\" will live on forever.", "Well Toei doesnt earn shit on the manga.", "That was more the head of the Shining series at the time hated how beloved Shining Force was and just abused Sega's resources. Now Sega can get fucked for not telling him to quit his bullshit though.", "How many of these types of videos are we going to have to see before people get the hint? STOP UTILIZING YOUTUBE. It's a shit company with awful practices that gives zero care or concern for it's users. Find another outlet and use that.", "So fucking dumb. TeamFourStar and their DBZA was the sole reason I got back into dragon ball, the reason I watched super, and the reason I re-collected DBZ and DB on physical media. If it wasn't for them, DB would of been left in my childhood.\n\nAt least now, I have one less franchise I should give attention to.", "> The best advice for small content creators is to diversify. Be in lots of places so that your not too dependent on one platform.\n\nGoes without saying,\n\nI guess the reason the guy is crying because he failed to keep all his egg out of the same basket.", "It's also entirely valid to argue for the spaces we work and markets with engage with adopt more fair and equitable practices.", "People like Totally not Mark and Super eyepatch wolfs reviews gave me a deeper appreciation and understanding of why I loved Anime as much as I did it also allowed me to better explain and share why exactly these shows were so great to friends to get them hooked into it. There were quite a few moments and call backs in stories that I had missed, structure and planning with stories and music terms such as leitmotif explained and demonstrated.\n\nI really do hope that better protection comes for youtubers, especially those who put in an incredible amount of work and are able to explain in depth just why these shows are as loved as they are.\n\nDragonball Z was the anime that got me hooked, so i thoroughly enjoyed watching the reviews one moment that stands out for me is how Totally Not Mark pointed out during the universe survival arc, Goku goes to meet Frieza at Fortune Baba's place, while waiting for Friezas arrival Goku appears to do some idle sparring or shadowboxing, What actually was happening there was him acting out the match he had against his grandpa in that very ring, which in terms of broadcast years was a moment that had happened about 25 years ago, I believe the moment happens in episode 94 of Super.", "Do the Toei Animation people also run the [Toei Tokusatsu World channel on YT](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7pddu3yyzkzFEiXfQLex3w)? If so, THAT is disappointing, as it was my gateway for, along with my big brother, discovering the joys of this [quirky/amazing live-action art form](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokusatsu) which continues over onto Tubi - we're doing a slow binge of [Kamen Rider '71](https://tubitv.com/series/300004948/kamen-rider?start=true) and watched 54 of 98 over the past... almost half year I'd say.", "YouTube is the new TV, and it will age as badly as TV did. Already happening.", "[Tokusatsu](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokusatsu) \n \n >Tokusatsu (特撮, lit. 'Special Filming') is a Japanese term for live action film or television drama that makes heavy use of special effects. Tokusatsu entertainment often deals with science fiction, fantasy or horror, but films and television shows in other genres can sometimes count as tokusatsu as well. The most popular types of tokusatsu include kaiju monster films such as the Godzilla and Gamera film series; superhero TV serials such as the Kamen Rider and Metal Hero series; and mecha dramas like Giant Robo and Super Robot Red Baron.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "The rise of reaction channels 2.0 I was wondering when this would prop up again. Proceeds to eat popcorn", "Server space and bandwidth cost money. Uploading to YouTube doesn't.\n\nAnd your average person does not have the budget for the former. If you're any kind of video/meia creator, your YouTube channel is your website. Much like how a subreddit on Reddit will be your online discussion forum.\n\nIt isn't so much a YouTube-centric problem as it is an overall Internet decentralisation problem, now that the Internet is like five websites.\n\nHonestly, the only real competitor that YouTube truly had was [Blip](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blip_\$website\$) because it provided the best of both worlds: similar to YouTube, you could upload the video elsewhere and simply embed the player on your website — it's how the likes of TGWTG/Channel Awesome and Rooster Teeth were able to gain a footing. Granted, it was pretty much impossible to find content on Blip's own website itself unlike YouTube, but it was certainly a compromise. \nBut then it got bought by Maker Studios in 2013 (which itself was acquired by Disney in 2014), and later shut down in 2015.", "This is terrible what they are doing to this guy. I feel the same way about how record companies ban music reaction videos. What idiot in the marketing dept of these companies is thinking “hey I have a great idea! Let’s throw away gargantuan amounts of free advertising and endorsements and prevent enormous amounts of potential new fans from discovering our music!” What a bunch of morons.", "Firstly, the part you bolded says at least, not at most, only or exactly the same as. \n\nSecondly in that very paragraph it says French copyright law applies to \"... anything published, distributed, performed, or in any other way accessible in France\" i.e. Japanese copyright law applies to anything accessible in Japan, which these videos were.", "“You got Toed!”", "Gotta do what the episode streamers do and block up any pictures from the show into a grid, or have only a few seconds here or there. To them (The animes publisher) it's all their content if you are using their pictures, videos, sound bites, that's just how they see it in Japan\n\nOr I guess draw your own pictures and don't use their name in the title if you don't want to get struck . \"Wan Peace , chapter 1111, the grum grum fruit gear fift\"", "Yeah makes sense the big dogs only want positive stuff. Losing face in Japan and Asia in general is a big thing.", "Twitch Partnership is stricter than the affiliate program, and the creators I'm referring to are in that higher tier. I'm confident that both Facebook and Twitch have exclusivity deals at the higher levels with the million dollar contracts. Just as Mixer did as well.", "Nintendo would have been a niche game developer outside Japan, like Atlus, if their games weren’t universally appealing. They only really look at the Japanese market when it comes to their business decisions, that’s why their online services suck since online console gaming wasn’t really a thing in Japan outside of a couple of MMOs until the PS4 came out. Since online First Person Shooters are not that popular in Japan.", "I’ll probably get downvoted to hell for this, but yes what he did was copyright infringement and the company has a right to remove his videos if they want, Toei owns the mangas he’s using and he’s making money off their product. \n\nI know a chick who was using a patreon for her DBZ fan art, Toei got wind of it, because she was making money off of fan art and it got shut down. If you’re not making money they don’t give a shit, but if you are that’s on you.", "Joerg Sprave is a good man and creator!", "This is especially crazy considering how fucking easy it is to stream anime illegaly", "Where else can they go, though? YouTube is Google and they have a stranglehold over the industry. There literally isn’t a competitor to YouTube, and any that try to start up can’t offer the same monetization because they won’t have the traffic to start with. Only other game in town is Twitch and they have their own massive issues. It’s easy to say “supply and demand” but they are a monopoly controlled by the biggest company in the world.", "Toei is a particularly nasty company when it comes to \"protecting\" their products.", "Care to explain?", "Be grateful that you had time to bank a pretty good amount of money using other ppl IP before it was over and move on.", "Youtube doesn't give fuck about it's creators. All they care about is advertisers. Removing dislike button protects brands advertising on Youtube. Doing anything with copyright system, doesn't. Simple as that.", "But than again isn't this somehow a good thing. Not the fact that access abroad was / is limited, but that they don't give a fuck about the foreign markets. \n\nI think one of the reasons anime is popular is that it is different from the typical to Hollywood / tv stuff churned out to cater to the US American norms and culture. Just look at how bad most anime movie adaptations are, or video game adaptations with resident evil being kind of an outlier. \n\nEven as a European I sometimes get annoyed when shows/movies cater to much to the American cultural norms. For example, no swearing, no nudity but violence and gore no problem.", "> Its similar to how Apple doesnt want you to fix their iPhones and that you have to take them to certified repair shops.\n\nWell, [this might change soon.](https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/11/apple-announces-self-service-repair/)", "works in austria", "Japanese law does not accept fair use. It is not the company, but the laws od the country.", "But then, since when have pyramid schemes ever been in favour of the working party.", "this guy been getting a lot of his popularity becasue he has ignored the massive danger of showing full on anime clip whole video\n\nRogerbase even told him earlier to stop doing as Toei was gonna come after him\n\nhere he did not even get a single strike\n\nI am not saying what he is not doing is fair use or not, but its kinda like yeeeeeeh\n\nevery other anime utuber has dealt with this issues for years, people who dont even show anything gets strikes,. again STRIKES\n\n&#x200B;\n\nand here he is LYING about the system, it does not take him 30+ years to counter this he can counter EVERY claim on the same time.\n\nAgain, what he is doing is perhaps fair use or not, I just think he really undermines this whole thing but lying about the process, acting like he was completely unaware of this etc", "yes he is like 99% copyrighted material", "still showing copyright material his whole video. dont matter if he talks over it or not.\n\ndoes it make his video fair use? perhaps\n\nbut it also exist a lot better op reviewer and reactors who dont show any copyright.\n\nhe did not introduce a lot of people to OP\n\nhe started doing OP 2020. 2020 ! that is over 20 years after one piece started and over 10 years after it was the biggest manga in history, this guy jumped on OP becasue its popular, he has no importance to make it popular.", "deep analyzation? this arc reviews have less points then good reactors has per chapter", "if it stood on his own he would have no reason to show the clips\n\nshowing the clips may still be fair use\n\nbut u are not gonna win any argument about fair use by saying stuff like this", "lol fire his editor then - then mark has a lower cost per video and would make more money if his reviews can stand on their own", "Yes, but the way they deal with their total control, limits the exposure of their IP significantly, they work AGAINST the exposure, advertising and acceptance of their content to their own detriment.\nLook at their music industry: they operate like it’s the ‘70’s and the rest of the world doesn’t exist. Their idol industry could be as big or bigger than k-pop is now and in contrast, barely anyone knows about it. \nTheir heavy metal music is right now the most interesting, diverse, innovative but they prefer for their bands to stay unknown to the rest of the world and play in small clubs around Tokyo than grab the opportunity of the modern avenues for promotion and have their industry drown in cash. The notable exception in this is Nemophila, a band that started as a personal project of the singer and they are very successful overseas because they have a constant presence in YouTube. \nIt’s baffling, really.", "> Burnout and declining passion for their work\n\nThere's a good chance being harassed and threatened with legal action into not being able to make money off the thing they were working their asses off on contributed to that.", "if he does he can counterclaim every video day 1.", "his entire video is their copyright.\n\ndoes it mean its fair use or not? that is another question\n\nbut lying and saying Toei is doing it for nothing is just silly", "Watch a gigguk video. Watch a video from this guy.\n\nif u cant tell the difference in content used, do it again.", ">Not saying it was right or wrong, but I can see why they were claimed and blocked.\n\nthouse vids are fine, his dbz vids where taken down", "I don't actually care about some random anime youtube channel", "Hell, a large part of the reason they still have a film division is because Marvel was on the verge of bankruptcy in the '90s and they were able to snatch up the Spider-Man movie rights, and because MGM was slowly imploding in the '00s and they got in on the James Bond money train. \n\nSo little of what they've had outside of those things has made much money in the past couple decades, and they were in the process of even running Spider-Man into the ground. But they once again lucked out by being able to hook up with the MCU right at the time their deal with James Bond was expiring.", "Exactly, he is got god edits of their copyright\n\nhe is not a deep analyzation he is actually quite WEAK on the review part, he does arc reviews and most reactors I follow do better more insight and deep reviews PER CHAPTER.\n\nHe also just jumped on OP 2020, yet he claims hes a big manga/anime guy I call complete bs on that. Everyone I know that is his age and been onto manga/anime for years have of course watched big 3, and a lot of other anime.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThis guys actually personality and personal presence is really weak, he reallies 100% on copyright material the whole video, other OP big utubers like e.g rogerbase has told him to stop showing so much anime clips, if any at all and that he is taking a huge risk doing it.\n\nIf anything this blocks was expected to happen way faster, most other OP utubers are note even doing half what he is doing, they dont get views over him to some extend because he was willing to go the full risk play of 100% copyright shown in the video.", "You work for YouTube. They make the rules. Why CBS and the networks get a pass and you don’t does not make sense.", "hes not really a critic do, mostly just summarize an arc.-", "How dare a company prevent people monitizing their content without permission. Worse than Hitler", "well researched? he does a shallow interpretation of a one piece arc, and then goes to the next arc.\n\nit exist like 100+ better op utubers that been doing the show for years", "not a single defence of his OP bandwagon of course", "It was a review of an entire arc. Those are much longer than “two episodes” it was more like 50+ episodes of content covered.\n\nAlso how are you supposed to review a creative work like a comic book series without talking about plot points? \n\nYou make it sounds as though all he did was talk over two episodes of Naruto.", "he was told several times by other utubers to stop showing full anime clips as most people got striked for that years ago and over and over again striked over it.\n\nhe only got BLOCKED here and is lying about how counter system works here\n\nso yeah its cringe with his surprised pikachu face", "yes he made money so of course he is sad he lost money.\n\nnot an argument that he is in fair use.\n\nX time -not an argument that is fair use.", "exactly, mark would never be big if he was showing his own face in the majority of the video.", "lol really\\`?", "hes also lying blatantly about the time frame.\n\nhe could counter claim all the videos right away.\n\nA lot of sympathy calls out here, that he is losing revenue etc is not an argument either if its fair use or not.\n\nHis video should focus on why what he is doing is fair use, not that he has to fire some guy or that he spend time on this or some thing.", "100% copyrighted footage whole video,\n\nand then he just breaks down and summarize a lot of arcs in his videos.\n\nIts very grayzone fair use.", "This is why unions form", "he is lying about the slow dispute process, he can dispute every claim on the same time. \n\nBut because he know he might not be in fair use, he does not dare to counter every video on the same time.", "you can dispute all on the same time, hes lying in the video.", "Problem is their size and ease of use. I have nebula and the very same YouTubers that promote it will post on YouTube first. The app is awful to navigate and super unstable. Id love to ditch YouTube's shitty policies but the reality is creators are hesitant to leave it or prioritize a different platform and the competition couldn't make a good app if it bit them on the thumb", "TAKE NO QUARTER LADS, AND GIVE NONE NEITHER!", "How do you “strike” at YouTube? Where is the picket line and how does it hurt YouTube enough to bring them to the negotiating table?", "exactly, this guy is lying his ass off.\n\nIts good if we could get a better fair use laws especially with anime etc\n\nbut on the same time its really sad that this sympathy qq video with so much lies in it gets all this attention, it exist anime utubers who just talk about an anime and get 10+ strikes in 1 day, STRIKES not showing any footage, anime companies are way pushing stuff.\n\nthis guy is 100% copyright whole videos, did not even get any strikes\n\nthen lies about how the whole system works to get sympathy.", "he is still lying 100%\n\nhe can easily dispute them all if he thinks he will win in court with the fair use defence.\n\nhe does not dare doing it because he got a weak case", ">first point, and the children of reddit's stance is a worn and obvious trope \"youtube bad, free stuff good, fair use is me get free stuff. HERP DE DERP.\"\n\nexactly this is what he is doing, the video is way to much call for support on evil utube and evil big corp\n\nhe is willfully lying about the whole process to make it sound way worse.\n\nhe was also warned by a lot of utubers that he was extremely likely gonna get striked(which he did not even get here) becasue of what anime companies usually do.", "getting lucky for years eh", "not only that anime utube strikes are very common, people get strikes for NO copyright with anime,. other utubers kept telling him he was pushing the edge to the max, of course this made him get more views and subs etc because he was willing to not care about the massive risk he was taking.", "he is lying about how the system works do", "They don't have fair use. Even on Wikipedia in Japanese, company logos or manga covers are not allowed.", "anyone with a full time job can buy stocks etc.", "Google gives negative fucks.", " but the old kind of reviewers did not do 100% copyright material their whole videos.", "so u just admitted that people can use his videos as a substitute - ergo he broke the law then", "DBZA and especially YGOTAS did wonders for their respective properties.", ">OP needs to get a lawyer involved\n\nFuck no! They are extremely expensive and in this case they can't do anything! That's TERRIBLE advice in this case, might as well tell him to burn his money!\n\nThe problem is that people claiming the video stop BEFORE the DMCA notices while the video is still under Content ID and therefore fully under YouTube's rules.", "not only that, he was also one if not the worst when it comes to how much IP he shown basically just 100%\n\nother op utubers does like TALKING about a chapter with no copyright.", "he was told countless time by other op utubers he would get striked for showing full clip, people get strike for way less in anime.", ">Starting to wonder when, not if, the boycott of YouTube will happen.\n\nBetween the way they treat their creators AND THE INSANE AMOUNT OF ADS WE'RE UP TO NOW it's gotta happen.", "he got a massive following becasue he was willing to push the limit of what one can show with copyright etc, his analysis are not better then the random Op reactor u can find.\n\nFar from it.", "because he has zero personality and charisma.\n\nhis whole stitch is do ot 100% copyright material and for the most part summarize the show.\n\nhe got into OP 2020, last year, after it already has been the biggest manga for over 10 years.", "Toei is run by old shithead dinosaurs, everyone knows that. Oh yeah, they make good stuff but I won't bother to cover them if I were a Youtuber. Assholes don't deserve the free marketing, especially ones that abuse the fucking systems made out of monkey pubes called Content ID & DMCAs.", "his video is 100% their copyright just the whole video\n\nits not a false claim what so ever\n\nhe is very grayzone if its fair use or not.", "lol worst idea ever\n\nToei can easily pay for this\n\nit would not matter to them the slightest. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nthat kind of system would only make it harder for smaller utubers who people steal from", "The GEMA (German company to protect music rights) is worse than the FBI, CIA and NSA combined. If you use their music, they will find you.", "Eh, that and the fact that they were using DBZA as a promotion vehicle for legit VA work, and original works from their DBZA characters.\n\nGiven that they actually provided voices for Kai, I don't believe this is the sole reason. I think it's a mixture of this, burnout, and wanting to do their own thing.", "That begs the question of why Western companies haven't followed suit. If it's so much easier, a Western company would have figured that out too. \n\nThere's more to it than convenience.", "yes every video he does is 100% copyright \n\nand his so called deep analyzation is often just very superficial surface value comments\n\none thing that really dont help his case is that as people say \"free adds\" in his defense \n\n&#x200B;\n\nLOL that makes it way worse for him, he almost never critique or parody the IPs etc, hes positive 99% of the time. Surely gives him more subs and likes becasue he is such a bandwagon guy that just shows content, summarize it on a very basic level + its only positive.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBut from a fair use standpoint this is really weak, he would have a much better case if he actually critiqued or made fun of the show. He would have a much better case if he was much more critical and went into the different scenes etc. He aims at the most casual of anime fans in the most casual way, good for his channel growth, horrible for fair use defence", "yes after all he is also gonna lie about how the whole system works for max qq points", "What are you talking about? I never heard of this guy, going to his channel I watched the literal first video in his feed and its a 35+ minute \"review\" of some anime that is just a scene by scene breakdown of the episode using clips and stills from the episode. Thats not equivalent to the average 5-10 critique of the style, structure or content of something and its hardly transformative. Saying \"I like this character\" or \"I dont like this thing\" while recapping almost the entire show including scene by scene stills and clips is not \"fair use\".\n\nIf you wrote a book and then someone released a podcast of themselves reading the complete content of that book out loud while dropping in some personal opinions between paragraphs, would you count that as fair use?\n\nWith regards to twitch streams, the entire industry is bbuilt on a friendly relationship between streamers and devs but If developers decided that they didnt want their game streamed they would probably have a reasonable case that its not fair use.\n\nYou might think this take is trash but you cleary dont know what youre talking about", "Yes, I’m very aware. And all the other shows that came over during the 80s and 90s. But the anime community would not be what it is today without the fansubs that made the breadth of other series available. Not to mention how Americanized dubs were.", "Fun fact you can pirate anime and still donate to charities that go to pay for housing new and aspiring animators. Probably one of the more ethical ways of doing it. especially since crunchyroll has been wasting my money on mediocre shit like high guardian spice.", "You can really tell who plays fighting games and whose just here to shit on a big company. Netcode keeps current fighters alive. Just look at BlazBlue's numbers after the announcement from a few days ago, holy shit!\n\nIf you're gonna shit on a big company, at least speak truthfully.", "lol didn't youtube just release a report that said 99% of copyright claims were false and get resolved no big deal right? You're fine bro there's no problem here system working as intended /s\n\nGuess Toei lost team four star so had to go after other creators. Youtube doesn't care it's doubling down on how much it caters to corporate world. We just need a new platform.", "> and toei was dumb enough to kill it?\n\nNo, that's not what happened. Covid exposed all of the fighting games that have horrible netcode, and DBFZ was one of the games that got hit the hardest by people just not wanting to deal with 20 frames of lag in a genre that has fast gameplay and sometimes 1-frame links.", "45 minute \"reviews\" where the whole plot and is shown and all events discussed. This \"reviewer\" needs to find a dictionary before he decides to go to court", "It was the bad netcode. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about.", "Eh, it's also pretty racist and xenophobic. Plus their recollection of World War 2 is... interesting.", "I remember visiting an online RPG/miniatures retailer a decade or more ago and instead of pictures of Warhammer products they had big red & blue \"Image removed at request of Games Workshop\" warnings. Turned me completely off their products if that was how they treated their retailers.", "When I was a YT Creator I had a lot of clips of movies and it would get flagged, but unless it was taken down automatically by Content ID match if you sent an appeal via email to YouTube (after the first appeal gets rejected) they would put the video back up and the company would have to sue you in order to get it taken down. Did that stop being an avenue at some point?", "And yet, they're simultaneously still using fax.\n\nLike the country suffers from a variety of these idiosynchrasies.", "I just watched five minutes of the first video I could find on Dragon Ball, and I got to say if the guy is making money off of these videos he should be giving at least half of that to Toei if not more. The entire video is copyrighted material. And a guy talking over it about what you’re watching. If this guy was making enough money for his livelihood to live on off of this, he’s a thief.", "Are you saying it should not be possible for people to make videos that go over the details of movies? How could this possibly lose the studio any money? In fact they lose money from the boycotts they get when they do dumb shit like this. It's counter intuitive and literally not a single person in the World benefits from it, but nice job sticking up for the huge soulless corporation that doesn't want you to consume any content it hasn't pre approved for you.", "I don't do 45 minute reviews or use all material. \n\nStill, you can't argue he's replacing the original content. The reason to see the original material being reviewed is still intact.", "I'd love to have people discuss my work.\n\nReviewing a movie is not showing it without audio in a theater. Bizarre argument. Have you... Seen a review? Reviews are transformative, at least mine are, because I alter the content by removing the vital audio and replace it with criticism. I also edit the video so it's not in any way the whole movie or even complete parts of it in sequence.\n\nMy work is fair use because I do not replace the point of seeing the original work. I transform the material. I don't charge anyone to see it. I am not in any way just showing the material in a deceptive way so people can avoid having to pay for the product.\n\nI doubt a judge would laugh at me. I've successfully discussed, defended, and had multiple copyright claims removed from my work. \n\nAll it takes is a receptive company who works with the people they attempt to put claims on. Once people at the companies actually view my work and talk to me, they release the claims. I'm not wrong.", "This is why LTT do so well as they are very professional handling their sponsors. Companies trust Linus.", "How is it not fair? Both parties are paying to participate in the system. \n\nIf you think your product is worth defending, it probably would make enough money to supply the defense funding. If it doesn't, it's not worth defending.", "Sounds like they \"deal\" with these smaller companies aplenty if they send them takedown notices over screenshots.", "I agree, but this guy was not creating any thing and judging by the videos he’s literally using someone’s copyrighted work and talking over top of it and making money off of it. From my perspective on the business side of things, it sounds like he owes them money. If someone started using my work and talking over top of it and making money off of it and I didn’t see any of that revenue, I’d be irate", "\"If I recall correctly, all Funimation VAs that worked for the Dragon Ball anime dubs were also threatened with being blacklisted from franchise work if they were to collaborate with TeamFourStar in the future.\"\n\n- Leharen", "> It's like Nintendo years ago crushing streamers. Japan doesn't understand the power of free advertisement.\n\nThis legit buried a solid game that I was hoping would take off and have a sequel by now. \n\nDaemon X Machina, they (I believe ) were behind Armored Core titles and I was hyped to get into a new series.\n\nThey legit claimed videos of people trying to review their game and get the word out. Digital Foundry was going to cover the game but chose to ignore it because of this.\n\nThey're, mental. I don't know what they're thinking. \n\n\"We got a new IP, but let's put a hole in the hull before dumping it into the ocean of games. Oh, it sank, guess it wasn't good!\"", "In any case fuck em for that shit.", "Lmao some of these supposed comments by \"random\" users are hilarious; “I hope that all unauthorized reproduction of manga, anime, and all that will be eliminated.\" Yep, uh huh, that's definitely a real person.", ">ts similar to how Apple doesnt want you to fix their iPhones \n\nThis line sums up Apple's mentality. It's their phone, you paid for the privilege to use it but you do not own it. \n\n\\-As far as they see things anyway. Japan may be bonkers insane over 'protecting their ips' but Apple has a unique mentality that needs to be curbed for the sake of the rest of the tech industry that LOVES to mimic them.", "He said he did but if you view some of the videos still remaining on his channel right now the dude clearly infringes on copyright.\n\nSo he can say it’s transformative all he wants but just because he claimed it hasn’t made it fact.\n\nAnd yes he absolutely is relying on other peoples copyright because if that copyrighted material (the anime’s) didn’t exist then neither would any of his videos", "I often see Europeans make fun of American culture norms as hypocritical, but I don’t see that. Americans don’t mind violence and gore because they know it’s fake. They don’t like nudity and swearing because even if it’s for a movie it’s still real. Even people who aren’t religious will find love scenes awkward to watch with family because it’s still taboo. I wish the culture would change of course, but I don’t think it’s hypocritical.", "Oda made fun of a Japanese serial Killer that slaughtered many men, women, and children in the Philippines and claimed he still thought the war was ongoing for decades. (total bullshit)\n\nOda was forced to apologize for mocking a literal scumbag serial killer because a large portion of the Japanese population viewed that person as a hero for murdering many people including little kids.\n\nThose are the types people we are dealing with.", "Yeah I've seen how these anime companies affect even being able to enjoy untranslated, dead series that no one is selling or streaming anywhere. The translators of The Guyver manga are so scared of the mere threat of legal action that you can't see the fan translations of the last chapters of the manga without providing proof you bought the entire series in physical form... Yet you can only buy the series from third party sellers on ebay... So it's not like the company is making money. But the argument is it's showing interest in the series and support of the creator... Even if no one but the eBay seller sees the money. It's ridiculous.", "Review/analysis and transformative work is covered under fair use. He doesn't use unedited clips of the show and react to it. \n\nPlus, even if that's the case, his drawing videos are just straight transformative with no animation from the property. Those are the last ones you'd expect to see copyright striked on YT.", "Atlus and Namco are PRETTY damn aggressive about coverage of their games.\n\nWant to stream or do a Let's Play of one of their RPGs? Unless it's REAL old/a sequel has come out they won't let you stream their game. Zesteria & Berseria would pause the game and say \"Please close your streaming software to continue playing\".\n\nAnd Atlus? They'd just punch your channel in the face.\n\nThen there was Nintendo for years... \n\nAll their over-protectiveness shot down Daemon X Machina from ever getting any kind of coverage. \n\nMarvelous- you blithering idiots.", "I don’t know who told you that fair use is NA only but you need to shoot them in the head for telling you completely wrong information. Unless of course you just made that up.", "I ain't got time for this video, anyone got a tl;dw?", "Why don’t they infringe on copyright?", "Yeah, the catalyst for the economic collapse was that the Japanese Fed saw the bubble and wanted to try and reign it in by increasing interest rates. Instead of helping, it caused a domino effect that unraveled before their eyes. Sound familiar? At least the Japanese Fed learned from their mistake, the same can’t be said for America.", "Oh is that where you went, we were all worried", "If I steal something from you and the cops won't do anything unless you pay them, that isn't fair. \n\nAlso, there's no limit on digital uploads. Thousands of people could rip the movie Dune and upload it on youtube right now... should the studio have to pay to remove every single one? Once they do, what's to stop thousands more from uploading it again?", "I think it's time to stop working for YouTube in any shape or form", "Youtube cannot exist without content id. They are too big for DMCA to actually work.", ">you would get no response.\n\nWell, that should tell you that they won't take kindly to you ripping off their IP doesn't it?", "Did you bother actually watching the video?\n\nHere's another one talking about how Mr. Stone helped Rick Beato deal with the problems he has had (if you're not familiar with Rick Beato or what he does on Youtube, look him up):\n\nhttps://youtu.be/M-A_RrOeoWw?t=990\n\nThe guy in OP has had his income cut off. It's worth the cost of getting a lawyer involved.\n\nMy advice is sound and yours is really bad no matter how you use your caps lock. 100%, OP needs a lawyer.", "Your head is up your ass if you think YouTube should take the risk of being on the receiving end of every copyright lawsuit on earth for every video ever uploaded to their website. The remove the videos to avoid litigation otherwise they’d, you know, go bankrupt.\n\nThat doesn’t make them evil", "It's Japanese culture in general, they are humorously stiff with trademarks. If you are filming on the street and a store's logo is behind you (even for a couple seconds), it's the expectation that you will either blur it or ask for permission. This is a nightmare with big companies because apparently the decision making process is passed throughout the entire company regardless of the severity.", "\"Jolyne stripping naked (highest quality 4k)\" lol", "The average person owns zero weeb shits.", "I mean stop putting your whole lifeline on YouTube. You’ve been knowing about YouTube’s shitty handling of dmca claims for like at least five years. And still you really ALL on YouTube? You deserve this loss dumbass.", "Complaining won’t do anything. YouTube will change when creators actually leave the platform and start to draw audiences to somewhere else.", "The cops already do that. Most cops won't pursue theft cases. That is how the world already works.\n\nYeah the studio should have to pay. They are asking for a ton of work to be done there. Maybe they can only not pay if the channel is brand new and clearly automating uploads to facilitate piracy. That's on YouTube to figure out how to detect.\n\nThat said if they think it's worth defending, it makes enough money to afford defense.\n\nThis all ignores that uploading a video on the internet is literally not theft. No one loses any actual money if someone in India sees a movie before it's released.", "Law is law regardless of who you are, massive company or small creator. When Taylor swift stole some tiny creators artwork of a fox, everyone rushed to the creators defence because it’s a fucked up thing to do.\n\nWhen a small creator steals intellectual property from a large company to make money for themselves off it, it’s still a bad thing.\n\nYou don’t get to decide if someone is a hero or a villain in identical situations just because of who the person is, either copyright theft is bad or it isn’t.\n\nNo one is asking you to feel bad for a billion dollar company you drama queen, they’re just pointing out that Google has no obligation to fight your legal battles for you after they already let you upload videos and host them for free for you. Ditch the 12 year old world view and look at this like an adult.", "Jesus christ, everyone's a critic!", "Is that fair?", "Wait didn’t Ninja get a lucrative contract to stream there exclusively? Had no idea it shut down.", "Sink the motherfucker", "What was bigger than Facebook? It has like 3 billion users.", "I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. There needs to be a YouTube competition site. They are dominating and unfairly so. One free of this bullshit.", "They can’t do that if they go bankrupt by being sued by every company on earth because they don’t take down videos that infringe on copyright", "It's worth mentioning, which is often talked about on like... Trash Taste... Japan does NOT have any concept of Fair Use, you can't touch, use, cover, show, talk about, anything without the risk of them coming down on you.\n\n&#x200B;\n\n>he funny thing is, the big anime sites all skate by with 0 issues.\n\nIf we are talking about like, the ones that are actually running as proper businesses and not sketchy pirate sites, yea they tend to have a working relationship with the companies.", "I don't ask for sympathy. I do ask you to put your emotions aside when dealing with business matters", ">Reviews are transformative, at least mine are, because I alter the content by removing the vital audio and replace it with criticism.\n\nSo, like Mystery Science Theatre 3000? \n\nThey had to deal with rights issues, you know.", "You don’t know this guy and haven’t seen the videos in any capacity by your own admission and the company is already the bad guy because you can’t critically think about the situation and you automatically assign blame without even having the ability to review any of the footage to know if these claims are substantiated or not?\n\nYou sound super easy to control. Want to try the worlds first dick shaped ice cream?", "Not at all like MST3k. They showed almost all of the original movie, with original audio, only altered by the addition of some remarks, and they did it for profit. Totally 100% unlike my videos.", "I wouldn't have watched Super if I hadn't gotten into DBZA.", "YouTube doesn't give a single shit about you or your videos or your monetization or your fair use.", "They have no lack of creators. Those are disposable to them. Advertisers are the sources of revenue. They dictate what goes.", "On the other hand you have VTubers. Hololive does get the internet and allows clips, reacts, covers, everything goes.", "Other people have had that exact same experience, even when they have zero music on any labels or published anywhere. It's insane.", "What do you think would happen if channels stopped uploading or even his all their videos for a week?", "Good.", "Japan here, I can watch the video", "One of the big misconceptions about fair use as well is its mostly just a set of tests defined in 17 usc 107. It's not like you get to claim fair use and use someone's material for free even if you think you meet each test.\n\nUnless a judge decides it's fair use in a court case it could be copyright infringement and if you don't have a license what are you going to do about it?\n\nI found one of these reaction channels that was being sued for playing and reacting to viral videos was making around 1.2 million a year - and like ops video had zero legal strategy for dealing with this and we're just making videos on YouTube to gain pity for their case. Great but that doesn't pay the bills.\n\nI say this as someone as well who has been screwed by Nintendo - I repaired a snes on YouTube and they claimed the video because of the Nintendo logo that pops up when booting super mario world and they claimed the theme music. I think that sort of thing goes a tad too far.\n\nI've had some music company copyright claim music from a bubble bobble arcade machine I worked on as well (some bubble bobble remix they made) - that got reversed. Konami didn't care at all.\n\nEdit: I watched one of his Naruto react videos. It's basically the entire episode with his comments. It's similar to Tom Scott mentioning that mst3k (now rifftrax) licenses the videos they release.", "I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.", "[Come edit my document](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x--xLQW69dxLYPrpL-HZwq18RRSz4PwCBwzJTFom5bQ/edit)", "Interesting that Funimation, or at least people working there, risk their relationship by tampering even slightly with the original work. \n\nSee Prison School Gamergate controversy, Dragon Maid Patriarchy and Evangelion 3.0 dubbing.", "And sad part is others will suffer what you went through", "People love double-standards to serve their brand of \"social justice\" as well as to mask/deny their envy and prejudice towards large businesses. The more successful you are, the more evil you must be!\n\nAnd don't get me started on the rampant entitlement and victim mentality plaguing society. People resent responsibility and blindly favor anything that absolves them of it.", "Yeah, no-one watches Sony Blu-Rays or has seen a TV show or movie produced by Sony Pictures on a Sony Bravia TV, or has listened to a Sony Music artist on a cassette tape on a Sony Walkman or CD on a Discman, or has saved data to a floppy disk, or has taken a photo with a Cybershot or MILC.", "Creators can’t use work that isn’t their own. If this guy was a small animator and Toei was using his animations, you’d still be butthurt on his behalf.", "I browsed through a video from this YT channel that is 32 minutes of what seems to me images from a comic book while telling the story of said comic book and telling the viewer what to think. I don't know how this is allowed in the fist place.\n\nI was victim of this content ID before when I played some Beethoven piano piece - I was right in that case as Beethoven died almost 200 years ago and all is pieces are PD all over the world (barring some technical terms), but I don't agree this type of channel should be allowed.", "I'm not claiming they have any legal obligation to do anything. I'm complaining about the fact that they do shitty things which make the world worse. Why is that so difficult to accept?", "...Youtube is the corporate world; it's not some small-time punk thing.", "Yeah, really really fun game but it was solved very quickly. The balance patches and new characters throughout its life cycle did a pretty good job of keeping it going, but the gameplay itself doesn’t lend a whole lot of room for creativity to keep itself fresh.", "I mean. All these people do is steal other people shit and repost it as their own etc.", "Maybe it's time to stop supporting Toei with any kind of money. Maybe even pirate everything. Just a thought.", "You win the award for dumbest and most uneducated take in the last 24 hours", "So his \"life's work\" is just producing anime reviews? That's not an actual trade, you know.", "Japan made the right decision since it was gonna happen sooner or later, it was always gonna be a nasty crash.\n\nWhat they didn’t account for was everything else crashing due to other poorly timed circumstances. Turns out there were a heap of vultures just waiting for it to happen.", "Japan music industry is the same, review or react to say Maximum the Hormone and their publisher will hunt you down.\n\nThey have a real weird relationship with the free advertising of the internet.", "What would be the point. Alternative sites would gradually morph into being the same as YouTube, they’d have to.", "I would tend to agree, but it would take a LOT for YT to fail. Not only is running such a large streaming site not profitable, so there is literally no incentive for competitors to even attempt putting up a fight, there is also no incentive for creators or viewers to move. \n\nThough other mega-corps like amazon could pull it off. But the question is why should they want to. And do we, as viewers or content creators want that? Not really. Wether Google or Amazon it‘ll be the same shit. \n\nThough maybe I could get behind it if it was a company like Apple, that, while also having shitty business pracices (planned obsolescence, anti-right to repair), at least put a big focus on user privacy and curbing data harvesting. You may pay a premium for that luxury, but at least afterwards you‘ll have peace of mind that your data is not ending up in the hands of the big data kraken.", "I don't care what is good business and what isn't. I don't think judgements of right and wrong should be made on the basis of profit.", "That’s up to them to decide, ultimately.", "They are working to help their creators.\n\nYou are just not the creator they have in mind. Next time try starting a billion dollar corporation and then we'll talk.", "After seeing his video yesterday I created a patreon account just for him. He deserves it, even if I can't give a lot.\n\nNot kidding, his blind reviews on every Thursday felt like I was a child again watching One Piece while eating a bowl of cereal.", "“Lol ... no” - YouTube", "I totally understand when teenagers misunderstand what is involved in fair use because of it’s complexities, but what really annoys me is when middle aged content creators that make their living off of ‘fair use’ make videos like this.\n\nEither they were too stupid to understand the basic laws that drive 100% of their income which is just insanely naive. Or they’re trying to use their view shops ignorance to try to make a change.\n\nI make music in my spare time as a hobbiest and every single sound I have and use I have a license for, even something as simple as someone clapping hands. Either I recorded the sound personally or I’ve paid for the rights. And so far I can count the number of people that have listened to my songs on one hand. To think I’d put more effort into copyright infringement with 0 followers than someone with almost a million subs is just mind boggling.\n\nDon’t get me wrong there are channels I absolutely love, like nakeyjakey that have so much clearly evident copyright infringement in their videos. I’d be sad if they ever got taken down but at the same time I’d absolutely understand why it would happen and I would in no way try to defend him in justifying the copyright theft.\n\nBut the amount of people in this thread that are blinding defending this channel just makes me sad, there’s a reason why this happens every other week on YouTube and it’s because of this reinforced view that content creators can do whatever they like with other peoples IPs and call it fair use whenever they deem fit by their own internal metrics", "Why the community still uses YouTube is beyond me. They are the equivalent of an abused wife, they refuse to just leave. This has been going on for years and isn’t going to stop. The complaints fall on deaf ears.", "I've been watching him for a couple years now. He makes great content and is one of my favorite YouTubers. I'm freaking pissed that they did this to his channel.", "Why would this man’s livelihood matter to YouTube ?", "No kidding. We're supposed to feel upset for someone getting in trouble for stealing other people's content and making money off it? nah.", "100% lies from him, not how the system works", "I'm from europe and I just watched the video and there was nothing blurred or anything.", "its 30 days X all videos", "The real problem here is YouTubes policies. You can't really blame the companies for trying to protect their IP. You can blame them for exploiting YouTube's policies to do so, however I feel that the policy is the real problem. Unfortunately unless a class action law suit is formed by creators and won I don't see this ever changing. YouTube is too big now.", "Have you ever seen his videos? He's not just reposting their content. There might be a still image or a short clip, which falls under fair use laws. He does these video essays breaking down the stories and characters from a writing standpoint. It felt like watching a film school class but it was fun and interesting.", "YouTube is a job.", "But it’s their choice to make bad decisions.", "More accurately the advent of Covid killed the tournament scene, which drove viewer numbers down.", "yep he is 100% copyright the whole video, most other anime utuber stopped doing that years ago.\n\nhe then gains their subs an followers becasue he plays the super risky play.\n\nplay stupid games, win stupid prices.", "it is now. It wasn't like that even a few years ago lol. Even years after google bought Youtube it was never corporate focused.", ">platform with a subscription service that allows for them to actually budget for this stuff\n\nAs smallfried has said, these sites already exist. Nebula and floatplane are excellent examples of this.\n\nThe only issue is that... everyone uses youtube because it is free and as a result these sites can only serve as an additional platform that has exclusive content for those who actually pay for the subscription. So really, these platforms are not (and probably never will be) a youtube competitor.\n\nAnd that makes sense, because the moment when you provide a barrier (i.e to subscription) to watch your videos, then it is a lot less likely that someone will do so (espeically if they haven't seen your videos before).\n\nTake linus for example. His company (LTT) operates the Floatplane subscription video hosting service, and he explicitly states that floatplane will never be a youtube competitior. It is only a suplement to youtube.\n\nThe reality is that despite these issues existing with youtube, it is still an incredibly useful platform due to its insanely high viewer counts.\n\nI don't think the appeal for \"free\" content will change, and quite frankly I think it will only increase as more an more companies (generally, not just media) adopt the subscription model.", "no because all 3 people of trash taste dont nearly use this kind of copyright usages.\n\nthey are a lot more fair use for many factors.", "lol no, trash taste is 3 guys just talking sometimes not even showing any anime copyright what so ever and when they do its like 1 image, not a clip etc\n\nand u compare that to a guy that is 100% copyrighted clips\n\nCdawg or the others own channel is not trash taste, and what does what cdwag doing has anything to with copyright? it might be a little risky on community guidelines, that is something completely else and 100% irrelevant to what mark is doing.", " Any platforms that grows to the kind of scale needed for mass adoption will face exactly the same issues as YouTube and have to address them on a similar fashion.", "Huh. Ebert and them would go and watch the movie and write a review. They don't post the full movie on YT with their little face cam in the corner and talk over the movie every 10mins so they can say it's 'transformative'. Huge difference in writing a review and just stealing someone elses work and saying a few words over it.", "> Why is that so difficult to accept?\n\nThis alone says so many things about you. Let me guess: You isolate yourself in echo chambers.\n\nI'm actually surprised that Qerbside1 and I didn't get downvoted into oblivion. reddit is a liberal circlejerk.", "> It strangles innovation imo.\n\nHow does animation IP strangles innovation? \nOr do you mean in general? \n \nEngineering wise, IP protection is very important though.", "\"Profit\" is at least consistent. \n\nActing on emotions and allowing yourself to just ignore established laws just because you felt like it usually doesn't work in the long run", "People don't realise if you go there and they are suspicious you commited a crime you can be locked up for 30 days before making any appeal. 30 days...and during that time you will be interrogated, you're expected to confess to the crime and maybe they will just slap you on the wrist. \n\nJapan really does have some harsh laws, something like a 95%+ in conviction. There's stories of people being locked up for a lot longer than 30 days as well because they wouldn't admit to the crime. Also by crime it could be as small as shoplifting.", "Considering a chunk of these videos user exactly zero screencaps or anything from Toei and were purely discussions about the series, I'd say that fits under free use pretty well.", "And he was making money off other people's art and hard work. The only reason people watch him is because he's using other people's art. If you made an anime and posted it on YT and someone else stole it and re-posted it with them saying a few words over it and monetized it for themselves, you'd be cool?", "Can we stop fetishizing about Japan?\n\nThey’ve got plenty of insane and innovative internet things, such as 2ch, niconico, not to mention being pioneers in stuff like virtual idols and vtubers. Hell, you wanna mention talent agencies? How about Hololive, literally a talent agency for virtual youtubers. \n\nSo, let’s not go overboard with stereotypes and pretend like “Japan doesn’t get the internet”, which is an insane thing to say.", ">I'm complaining about the fact that they do shitty things which make the world worse.\n\nOk so you have three parties here.\n\n1. Content Creator\n2. YouTube\n3. External Company and IP holder\n\nContent creator wants to create media for a living and sign up to YouTube. What does YouTube do?\n\n1. They allow you to upload any videos you want to the website for free\n2. They will host those video indefinitely, again, for free\n3. They will recommend your videos in the video recommendations of other videos, for free\n4. They will actively seek out companies to advertise on your videos, for free\n5. They will have their accounts receivable department chase up the money for the advertisements, for free\n6. They will take a portion of that adsense revenue and put it in your bank account, for free\n\nThe ONLY thing they get in return is they get the big part of the revenue from the adverts, but the content creator pays nothing out of pocket EVER. There is no subscription, there is no annual free, you don't need to pay for cloud storage, you don't need to pay for marketing, you don't need to pay for an accounts receivable team, you don't need to deal with advertisers.\n\nMeanwhile, YouTube is the website that is hosting these videos, so lets say I right now, take an episode of Dragonball Z and put it on YouTube. Then TOEI sees it and wants to sue.\n\nDo they sue me? Nope, its not my website, I'm not the one selling adverts on it and recommending it, YouTube is. So they can sue YouTube. So Toei can sue YouTube for the actions I personally decided to take. Just to clear that up.\n\nNow lets say its not just me, lets say that today 5493 people uploaded videos about Dragonball Z and all of us say that the work we did was 'transformative' and that it is 'fair use'. But Toei wants them all taken down for copy right infringement.\n\nNow currently, YouTube takes them all down immediately so they don't get sued, then have a system in place to try to figure out which ones are actually fair use and resolve these issues before putting the videos back up.\n\nBut apparently, I just want to get this right, you are saying that\n\n>I'm complaining about the fact that they do shitty things which make the world worse.\n\nbecause YouTube won't leave these videos up, open themselves to millions if not billions of dollars of copyright infringement cases, all of which they aren't responsible for uploading, because they should just trust the millions of people that upload content every single day are all simultaneously doing the right thing, and that its YouTube being a shitty company and making the world worse, for not also providing immediate and effective legal services to the millions of uploaders in addition to everything else they are doing?\n\nIs that what you're saying? cos if it is, you're a fucking moron.", "I was actually looking a bout getting into warhammer because of total war then this happened and I was just like maybe another company.", "Mark makes amazing videos and he puts real passion into his work. This is a disgrace on Toei's part.", "Japanese company doesn't care about fair use. If not wrong, I remember that someone said there is no fair use in Japan.", "Yeah, my comparison was a stretch in this case. I was thinking traditional review with clips. That’s not what this guy was doing apparently.", "It's anecdotal but when dark souls 1 (Japanese game) came out on pc for westerners and had huge sales the company seemed genuinely surprised there was an entire market of people desperate to play it and pay money. They really did end up learning the lesson and now makes so much money from the western audience (previously it was just sony consoles).\n\nI'm guessing the 99% ethnicity issue in Japan really just makes them not consider other markets as having an interest.", "Hey do seed tho.", "Yeah it's a shame, I remember seeing a video interviewing Mixer streamers that were heartbroken. Most of them moved to Mixer for a less toxic community and better moderation tools IIRC. They built up really tight communities and the plug just gets pulled.", "People are latched onto Youtube even with it's shitty behavior like it their own abusive mom.\n\nPlease consider Odysee.com", "And they wonder why the majority of us pirate their shows", "You probably haven't been listening to too much about Japan, then.", "Whatever, they are still going plot point to plot point through the series and heavily pulling quotes from the source material.\n\nBeing \"spoiler free\" isn't a consideration for fair use.", "u/toliveanddieinct wrote:\n>So his \"life's work\" is just producing anime reviews? That's not an actual trade, you know.\n\n\n\nWhat specific type of cancer have you cured? What planet have you landed a rocket on? What world renowned work of art have you produced? What trillion dollar company did you personally start?\n\nBefore I tell you your job is shit and not a real trade, I want to clear the path of shit you absolutely did not fucking do out of the way. A quick perusal of your comments...nothing but pro wrestling... conspiracy and incel meme subreddits...you think you're in a place to talk shit about someone's career not being a real trade while you're collecting public assistance?", "So your stance, just to be clear, is youtube is a good company and is not responsible for the mechanics of their content ID system?", "Youtubers are not on the same level as traditional media and clearly don't have the same amount of legal or monetary means. There's alos barely any legislation on this.\n\nYou cannot be an anime reviewer with 600k subs and hope to compare yourself to fucking Steven Colbert as if you're both playing the same game.\n\nI'm not saying that what youtube or whatever anime company striked you is right but at this point you shouldn't even be surprised because you know youtube will always choose to protect its ass rather than the creators.\n\nBy the way, [your last video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OnpwISsfRIc) is literally over 40mins of anime footage and print screens of manga. Colbert probably ran that clip through Tomei's legal team. I seriously doubt you did the same.", ">So your stance, just to be clear, is youtube is a good company and is not responsible for the mechanics of their content ID system?\n\n[Watch this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU)", "> and actually work to help its creators\n\nYoutube stopped caring years ago as long as new creators and views aren't diminished, and they can keep selling ads.", "We're on track for a climate apocalypse.", "The boycott would need to start with creators moving their content to an alternative platform that doesn't do this bs. The rest will fall into place naturally.", "Ah yeah I guess I'm just not capable of digesting the great works of Ayn Rand like you lol", "https://youtu.be/GMpTqa8iICs?t=80", ">Plus, considering all the professional VA's that have worked with them (Justin Briner, Amber Lee Connors, Howard Wang, Chris Guerrero) and have done work with Funimation, probably not a good threat to make.\n\nI'd be more inclined to believe that Toei made it abundantly clear to Funimation that if they want to keep making dubs of Toei animations, Funimation employees are not to work with any unofficial projects (like Team4Star). So I disagree that it's even a threat from Funimation because this probably comes from high up in Toei and it's just the nature of the business relationship.", "I understand that IP laws are broken in general and I am not disputing that at all. Youtube is still a shit company.", "That video directly explains why YouTubes copyright claim system works the way it does because if it didn’t exist in its current capacity YouTube wouldn’t exist and in turn neither would any of these content creators.\n\nYour complaint about that system.. regardless of your stance on YouTube’s copyright system it’s worth a watch", "yea fuck youtube. all fucking media companies have become nothing but biased in corrupt beyond belief", "Very sorry to hear. I’m afraid about my own videos.", "I don’t have time to read your comment, can you sum it up for me?", "You arrogant fuck", "Chad oda", "At this point content creators have to sue youtube or nothing will ever change. Like how often has this exact scenario happened without any change to the system?", ">Americans don’t mind violence and gore because they know it’s fake. They don’t like nudity and swearing because even if it’s for a movie it’s still real. \n\nI never thought about it like that.", "It’s not really a review or official analysis though is it? It’s a guys opinion on someone’s else’s work used on a video format program that is literally using trademarked and copyrighted work, edited in random order or not - that’s some bougie semantics. THIS is my take from THE FIRST and only video of his I have seen. If you think that falls into fair use, the law should be changed then IMO. People monetizing off others for not doing any actual creative and productive work, I’m for that.", "Better than an ignorant fuck ;)", "It's one thing to talk about a plot point or several plot points and how that contributed to the story and criticisms you had of that story.\n\nIt's another when you are just linearly going through a story and talking about the plot points themselves instead of their relation to the narrative and the criticisms of that narrative.", "Fuck yeah.", "Yeah, I laughed in agreement when I first read it as well until I tried looking at it from their perspective. I know prudish/devout people and it can be irritating, but we can find common ground a lot of times.", "i presume toei like some other companies from jp just look at the distribution deal they have with one corner of the world or the other and if it's not to their advantage they just nuke everything . even if they don't plan to ever release the material. they probably don't do case by case even with people professionally and legally involved like this dude. just blank delete fucking everything.", "I wouldn't go so far as to say that they don't care about foreign markets. A decade ago that would have been mostly true, but at this point foreign markets are pretty serious money with the advent and ease of streaming. \n\n>I think one of the reasons anime is popular is that it is different from the typical to Hollywood / tv stuff churned out to cater to the US American norms and culture. Just look at how bad most anime movie adaptations are, or video game adaptations with resident evil being kind of an outlier.\n\nI'm not sure why you're using anime and or video game adaptations as an example of \"typical Hollywood stuff\" when they're nowhere near the majority of stuff produced. Hollywood produces a ton of crap, but also some pretty great stuff which is no different than anime or any other entertainment industry.", "Or fucking for that matter lol", "it's really funny because japan's stagnant economy could really use a boost from social media and free advertising from people that post on youtube. however, japan is cutting off their nose to spite their face, much in the same way that their draconic immigration laws combined with their low birth rates are stymying their population growth- which is kind of important for a nation and something that they're actively trying to combat...in the most inefficient ways possible.\n\nwhat always gets me is that japan is hyperactive about copyright infringement, but at the same time make paltry efforts to globalize their market. they literally want to maintain a bubble where their market is domestic and their revenues are domestic...\n\non the bright side, netflix's super crooks is a great compromise. american distributor, scottish writer, japanese producer. all we need now is for netflix/amazon/apple/disney to localize these japanese anime studios in america and japan is unlikely to be able to keep up. again, they'll have cut off their nose to spite their face and will continue to stagnate and lose opportunities because of their stubborn desire to isolate.", "what how?\n\nhe is just bandwagon praising it.\n\nhe offers very little critique in his videos, and that's a major reason why it would be harder for him to win in court.", "He says you can't, you say he can. Is there anywhere I can read for myself the official process? With something this binary there's no middle ground for the truth to reside. One of you has to be completely wrong. Can I find this out without becoming a YouTuber myself?", "Ya his \"blind reviews\" aren't the greatest. I enjoyed his character reviews a lot more", "Maybe your entire business model shouldn't have relied on being hosted by a massive and evil corporation.", "Some people get demonetized for a few seconds of audio or even audio that was not copyrighted at the time but was purchased by a copyright troll so now it is.", "It was just an example. Trying to add to my point that Japanese content is popular for being culturally different than stuff produced in the west. I am not saying that this is the only reason, but I can imagine that \"westernizing\" / catering more to the west, will throw many anime / manga fans under the bus.\n\nEDIT: And the current Fanbase brings in a lot of money. Westernizing can get more viewers, with less whales/money in total while at the same time losing the fans that are willing to pay lots. In the end while viewership increases the profit is still the same.", "I don't forward dmca spambot notices. We get hundreds a month from places like Paramount or HBO or whatever.\n\nI reply to the email sending them that the notices aren't valid and since they never respond, I don't have to forward them. I'm not obligated to if the notices aren't compliant and they usually fail because they don't provide a direct link or a comparative link to the materials which is a requirement of the DMCA.", "GEMA, RIAA and one other are relentless.", "It worked in New zealand. No one gets copyright claims anymore for p2p file sharing etc because the government made the copyright owners pay the isps to process a copyright claim. $25 per notice. And the isp needs to issue 3 notices that match the same rights holder and account holder before they tell the rights holder they have both matched 3 times before they can go to court to get the account holders information. \n \nhttps://www.iponz.govt.nz/about-ip/copyright/file-sharing-infringement/", "They leveraged their fairly high traffic to get some money and a lawyer to iron out a deal to stream Naruto Shippuden legally, which legitimized them and gave them a hot property to grow with.", "Sounds like an issue with culture.", "Yes I remember mark mentioning that too. My first video I watched and instantly subscribed to was his character analysis on why Goku being a flat character works. I hope he can post the videos back up, maybe just remove the video clips, his perspectives (not summaries which I find his more recent blind reviews to have) were insightful and made me appreciate Dragonball so much more", "wooosh", "Is YGOTAS still a thing? I remember that starting way back in like 2005-2006, along with a Naruto one. They were kind of the early pioneers of abridged series, and soon Youtube was flooded with a ton of them ranging from \"huh?\" (Final Fantasy Unlimited, Nazca) to \"please stop\" (Beast Wars, 08th MS Team) that only made one or two episodes. \n\nI'm almost 30 now, so if YGO is still going I'd be blown away.", "Why would you dump years of work into a website the constantly fucks over their contributors? Why didn't you move your revenue stream away from Youtube like other content creators? Greed? Ignorance? You couldn't let go of the teat long enough to insulate yourself. That was a mistake and if you're \"shocked\" this happened to you then you're an idiot.", "Can you give me the link full stories about who is the Japanese serial killer you're talking about?", "There needs to be a” false red flag “ penalty to prevent these bogus claims.", "Netcode aside (BB is getting rollback before FighterZ, which is surprising) there was also some gripes with the roster being a ton of Goku variants. I'm glad Baby is in it though, that was a nice addition.", "If you're making business decisions based on intuition and not contract analysis you're destined to fail.", "Can't appeal multiple videos at once? Jeeze. TOEI and YT are crooked POS's.", "Lol so do you.", ">Firstly, the part you bolded says at least, not at most, only or exactly the same as.\n\nYes... which in this context means that American fair use rules can apply, unless the US unilaterally decides to treat Japanese content differently from American content, which, again, would be a very strange legal situation where every country has to apply the laws of 192 other countries in its own legal system. And of course if that were required by the treaty no country in the world would have signed it, never mind that it's a practical impossibility, hence \"at least.\"\n\n>French copyright law applies to \"... anything published, distributed, performed, or in any other way accessible in France\" i.e. Japanese copyright law applies to anything accessible in Japan, which these videos were.\n\nYes, of course, in Japan the Japanese copyright applies, so YouTube has to remove the offending content in Japan. That goes without saying. But that could mean as little as removing the videos from their Japan-located servers but none of the others and that's it; they don't even have to geoblock it for Japanese users like they usually do, since the content isn't in Japan anymore if the Japanese user is accessing, say, a Korean server to see it. I may be wrong on the geoblocking, that rather depends on what exactly \"accessible\" means in digital terms, but the point is Japanese domestic copyright means diddly squat when it comes to what an American can do with Japanese content in America.", "Very true, used to work for a Japanese television company doing licenses in the EMEA region and the bureaucratic red tape was absurd. 50% of the company was just doing paperwork for the sake of doing paperwork - checking, double checking, signing, stamping, copying, delivering.\n\nI once had a German broadcaster tell me that they were fed up with the amount of paperwork and barrage of questions we were sending them. You know it's bad when THE FRIGGIN' GERMANS tell you that there's too much bureaucracy.", "Seems to me like they are taking pretty good care of Toei.", "But you're both :(", "Same. I was done with Dragon Ball as an adult for the most part until DBZA got me interested again.", "I recently started watching his blind Naruto review and it’s great, somehow he makes talking about a show I watched about a decade ago entertaining for 40 minutes. Highly recommend it for any Naruto enjoyer.", "Lmao you good? Buddy woke up with 0 sympathy points", "That was a wild read. Holy hell, Japan!", "Youtube has been fucking creators over for years. This guy ruined his own livelihood by holding on to the teat for too long and not diversifying his revenue stream.", "If you will never understand this I recommend having an attorney review any contracts you base your livelihood on.", "Move over to Odysee", "Because I suggested that there are two sides to issues and that maybe you should think about it critically before jumping blindly to a decision?\n\nI wouldn’t expect you to understand good decision making if you’re playing new world\n\nBy the way, suggesting people get all the info before picking a side is literally the opposite of ignorant you bleach drinking fuck", ">\\[Y\\]ou think you're in a place to talk shit about someone's career not being a real trade while you're collecting public assistance?\n\n...Yes?", "How am I controlled? Cos I don’t just listen to a one sided boo hoo YouTubers video and immediately believe everything they say even when it’s riddled with flaws?\n\nMaybe you can try a few picture books before entering a proper conversation champ", "how is that hyperbole? so the only thing that could be considered free marketing is if you get the marketing team of a company to work for free? fan content keeps people interested and invested, shows off a community for fans to keep their minds on the product and hype each other into buying stuff, and makes people outside the fandom go, \"what are all those people doing over there?\" It's literally some of the best marketing there is.\n\n~~And still, what ZippoS described is not at all a \"rebuttal\" to free marketing, it's straight up an example of fandom working as such, so I really don't understand where you're coming from.~~ oh, you didn't call it a rebuttal to free marketing, but it's also not stronger than that phrase because it's an example of that phrase", "The irony is that YouTube made it much easier to bully creators than a lawsuit would. Thousands of copyright claims are slung at creators every day, the majority of them being false. Making it a legal matter would ironically make it harder for these major companies to bully small creators, even though the system was supposed to shield creators from legal pursuit.\n\nIt's easy to file a DMCA. Literally one click. A lawsuit would take months to take effect, and maybe years to reach the court, and can be fought back against. There's literally nothing you can do to fight against a YouTube DMCA claim", "Oh, you edited... \n\n>This all ignores that uploading a video on the internet is literally not theft. No one loses any actual money if someone in India sees a movie before it's released. \n\nUnless that person now doesn't go see the movie that they were originally planning to see. \n\n>That said if they think it's worth defending, it makes enough money to afford defense. \n\nIf I take someone's song and put it in my commercial and don't pay them for it, and they've never been able to make any money on their music and are too poor to take me to court, you're saying that they just have to deal with it and that's completely fair?", "Agreed. Creators are far too comfortable using somebody else's content for their own profit. You dont get to use the free advertising card, what you need is permission.", ">\nUnless that person now doesn't go see the movie. Also, why is this hypothetical person in India?\n\nThe person in India was never going to see it. No money was ever to be made or lost here. It's not theft.\n\n>\nIf I take someone's song and put it in my commercial and don't pay them for it, and they've never been able to make any money on their music and are too poor to take my to court, you're saying that they're just screwed and have to deal with it and that's completely fair?\n\nReviews =/= commercials. I don't make money on Youtube, so this argument will never hold water with me. I'd be super excited if someone used my material anywhere. Money is kind of stupid, really. Credit would be a better reward.", "I agree that this guy got fucked and shouldn't have but tu quoque is not the argument he thinks it is.", "This is a massive strawman because we've had musicians banned from Twitch for playing their own music, and a YouTuber got a copyright strike for an original song that he composed from scratch.", "Japan has the best electronics/appliances that you can't buy outside the country. If you want the good 'Made in Japan' stuff, you have to go to Japan to buy it. It sucks.", ">Reviews =/= commercials. I don't make money on Youtube, so this argument will never hold water with me. \n\nHow does YouTube intuitively know the difference whether something is a review or a commercial so they can treat these things differently where one needs to challenge a claim with money and the other can just be challenged? \n\n>I don't make money on Youtube, so this argument will never hold water with me. \n\nI don't make money on YouTube either, so I don't understand this point.", "> The person in India was never going to see it. No money was ever to be made or lost here. It's not theft.\n\nHow can you assume that for everyone that pirates something? It's definitely not true in all cases as I've pirated films I was planning to see and then didn't go pay to see them.", ">How does YouTube know the different whether something is a review or a commercial so they can treat these things differently.\n\nThey view each case individually and make the decision, that's how. That's what creators want: reason and effort. If Youtube put as much effort into their platform as I do making my art, it'd be an amazing place.\n\nInstead it's this stupid place where the only people using copyright are copyright trolls who strike any material they don't like, regardless of it being fair use, to silence negative reviews and dissent from corporate approved advertising.\n\nYour scenario of the little guy getting robbed literally never ever happens. It's quite literally the opposite right now, us little guys get stomped on by rich companies who want to sit on their successes from the 1970's, forever, damn the future.", "> They view each case individually and make the decision, that's how.\n\nThere's over 720,000 hours of YouTube footage uploaded daily. By my math, you'd need over 125 thousand full-time employees dedicated in order to just be able to watch all the footage. There's no way they can review it all, so they can only review if there's a claim. You said to initiate a claim someone should have to pay... following this logic, the person whose music was taken for a commercial would have to pay money.", ">he is lying about the slow dispute process, he can dispute every claim on the same time. \n>\n>But because he know he might not be in fair use, he does not dare to counter every video on the same time.\n\nYou're misrepresenting or outright lying. If you dispute it, and YouTube doesn't accept your dispute (which is the vast majority of the time), it's a permanent strike. And if I'm not mistaken, you get three over the course of a period of time. So if he disputes all 150 videos, his channel will get shut down. This is not a courtroom. You have absolutely no power. Arbitration is in the hands of YouTube and they will absolutely stand with DMCA claims, true or false, the vast majority of the time and they will NOT return any lost revenue.", "This is the shit that makes me feel guilty for liking their content, like DBZ.", "Sanyo made a lot of Betamax decks too though?", "I specifically watch the old version of subbed DBZ specifically because of large, shitty anime companies. They go harder than Nintendo on their IPs.", "> Your scenario of the little guy getting robbed literally never ever happens. It's quite literally the opposite right now, us little guys get stomped on by rich companies who want to sit on their successes from the 1970's, forever, damn the future.\n\nYou keep editing and adding to your comments. \n\nYou can't just say something \"literally never ever happens\" when it does. There are content farms that literally just steal YouTube videos from smaller channels, upload them, and then take the ad revenue.", "> \n> There's over 720,000 hours of YouTube footage uploaded daily. There's no way they can review it all, so they can only review if there's a claim. You said to initiate a claim someone should have to pay... following this logic, the person whose music was taken for a commercial would have to pay money.\n\nYep, if they think they were robbed and think they can prove it, they should have to pay a returnable fee. Or else they're bullshitting, or copyright trolls. It can be a small fee; enough to pay an auditor for an hour of review time. That's reasonable and even your littlest little guy (that doesn't exist) in your example (that doesn't happen) can afford it.\n\nIf he has to file so many claims he can't afford it, he's not so little and/or is going to be so popular people are going to steal his shit no matter what by industrious souls, which means there's probably even more lazier people who will just pay to see his work on easier streaming methods, so he's likely already making tons of money anyway and can afford the defense of his product.\n\nAgain, this is ignoring there's no theft going on, no actual money loss, copyright striking doesn't protect the little guy, it's in fact used entirely by automated tools paid for by big companies to fuck with everyone else so they can maintain creative control over a product they probably didn't even make, but some artist did for the company years ago, etc.\n\nIt's all very stupid and dumb. Money is dumb.", "Well I think they created it to protect their ass, showing they are following copyright law. I am no lawyer or expert on YouTube. Just thought the Tom Scott video was interesting", "It's really hard to have sympathy for creators on YouTube these days. The website has shown time and again that they can and will nuke videos for the smallest of reasons from large enough companies. \n\nThis creator says he has a family and employees to care for, and even that he did legal research, but didn't do the due diligence to protect that livelihood. Just doesn't come off as genuine. Judging from the comments here saying how trash anime companies are, this person comes off as someone entirely oblivious offering up crocodile tears because the inevitable outcome has finally come. \n\nAs a casual YouTube viewer, all I can think is \"no shit, this happens to tons of channels every year, why did this channel think it would be different?\"", "What are the flaws? How is Toei right to copyright strike him for fair use reviews?\n\nI watch his videos (I can tell you don’t) and his reviews at most have still images of toei content dubbed over in his voice with non copyrighted music. Also they took down drawing videos. Quite literally art videos.\n\nYou sound like you’re talking out of your ass.", ">because TNM’s videos are fair use\n\nThat is very much debatable. Sure you can use the defense that it was a review, but considering the quantity of copyright protected content in the videos, it's far from stable ground. Yes you can use copy protected material in a review, but it has to be targeted. This guy was using Homer's makeup shotgun approach to the review.\n\n>Mark has become an unpaid advertiser for their product.\n\nGood luck proving that to a court. The content that was struck was from very famous and well known works and the generation of sales isn't a consideration if something is fair use or not.\n\nThis is all very reminiscent of the old Nostalgia Critic drama, that's another person on Youtube who had a pretty similar shtick, but with movies instead of anime/manga.", "This is why Japanese soft influence is waning while countries like South Korea entertainment industry is booming. South Korea sees the value of exporting entertainment while anime and jdramas are still like in the 90s. A few more years, and they will disappear or become irrelevant like TVB is now and other HK stuff.", "Yeah, I'm pretty much out of fucks to give. Poor business planning that results in a dramatic call to action and hoping a pile of letters to santa piled up on the judge's desk will allow justice to finally be served is a fucking joke.", "They also do good with digital cameras and imaging sensors", "Not watching anime these companies touch is better, imo.", "Like...literally any other type of reviewer?", "Take the anime company to court.", "Oh please, asking for a summary of a 10 minute video is perfectly reasonable 🙄", "Have you watched his videos and do you have absolutely any legal background in the slightest?\n\nBecause most of his videos even current ones that weren’t taken down do not agree with what is deemed fair use under the law.\n\nDoes a video comparing a protagonist from one anime to a protagonist from another, showing artwork of both but not critiquing the art in any way shape or form, nor reviewing or critiquing either of the series constitutes fair use?\n\nThe problem is anime loving children that don’t understand the law see this shitty video and automatically assume because the guy that created the channel blanketly claims that all his work falls under fair use and it’s transformative that it’s all of a sudden fact without actually applying the rules of fair use themselves.\n\nIt sounds like you and the rest of the blind leading the blind crew are the idiots talking out their asses. Downvoting me won’t make you idiots any less wrong.\n\nHonestly I’m done babysitting all the fuckheads that do 0 research and just rally behind any crying YouTubers they see when they get spoonfed a single sided narrative.\n\nI’m going to guess the only information you have on this issue is all contained in this one sided video, am I right?\n\nI get that you’re a Stan and must protect your lord and saviour but he’s some ignorant fucking kid that clearly doesn’t know the law and just cos you’ve jerked off to his videos in the past doesn’t make them fair use. You’re right, I don’t watch his videos, but this isn’t an anime issue it’s a legal issue so when I want to find out how many dragon balls you can fit up you’re ass I’ll ask your opinion but watching anime reviews doesn’t make you a legal subject matter expert in fair use. Sorry\n\nLet me ask you something. Do you think if I get a pen and redraw the Nike logo exactly that it’s all of a sudden mine to use however I see fit and I can use it to make revenue online? Cos if the answer is no, then you have your answer on the art series copyright claim.", "Dipshit crying over stolen property", "Fuck. I love Totally Not Marks content.", "FB wouldn't tell me when I contested. They simply replied \"this is the final communication regarding this matter and the violation of our policy\". I linked to my website's page where my books were listed so folks could look through them and click a link to be taken to amazon. \n\nMy novels are kinda contemporary fantasy, I guess. Like Christopher Moore or someone. Nothing gross/weird at all, aside from some bits of horror.", "Half of our sports are violent, and that's real. I don't know if I agree with them.", ">they should have to pay a returnable fee... It can be a small fee; enough to pay an auditor for an hour of review time. \n\nSo if the claim is valid and they get their fee back, who pays the auditor? \n\nAnd an auditor for an hour can be $80-$100. That's not that small of a fee.", "The Broom Closet ending was my favorite.", "I think I might be crazy because I can't find it anymore, but didn't he used to sell merch with Dragon Ball characters on it?\n\nEdit: [Found it](https://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/t-shirt/men/totally-not-merch/1427279/). I remember him posting this on his community tab and I was like \"dude you can not fucking do this\" and a bunch of his fans started arguing with me.", "And so is watching the video yourself instead of asking strangers to put in the effort for you. 👍", ">Good luck proving that in court\n\nThe point of my comment was not to argue the legal standing of TNM. If it would hold up in court is essentially irrelevant because he doesn’t have the resources to fight Toei’s claim, let alone win. \n\nI was simply trying to clarify the original commenters idea (unless I misinterpreted it) that leaving the idea of who’s legally in the right, it is not wise for Toei to take down TNM’s videos.\n\nThat’s why I brought up his videos as advertising. Not because it help him win a legal battle, but because Toei should realize that he actively sends people towards their product, while negligibly, if at all, taking business away from them. Do you agree that Toei is better off (however slightly) with TNM making videos?\n\nIf you agree with the last question, then you should agree with my claim that it doesn’t make business sense for Toei to do this, regardless of who is right in the fair use discussion", "Yeah, Microsoft paid him a multimillion dollar contract but then Mixer shut down. \n\nNinja still got paid and he went back to Twitch.", "FromSoft specifically giving big souls-series streamers access to the Elden Ring network test to stream was such a great move. I wish more Japanese media leaned into free advertising", "Only insufferable cunts call people honey. So you’re opinion isn’t really relevant here.\n\nWhat I love is that I made a comment and now a bunch of accounts who haven’t commented in weeks or months have chosen this obscure comment bidding far down a thread to comment on, weird huh. You literally only post on TOMT and all of a sudden you have to comment on this", "> since it was a DRAWING of the fucking characters.\n\nThat's not how copyrights work. His company is the creator of that specific drawing, they own the right to it. Not Toei. They own the character, but NOT the drawing someone else made. Same when you take a picture of someone, you own the picture, not the person in the photo.\n\nAlso, by disputing a claim, you literally reveal your personal information to the claimant. When it's a troll claim, you obviously DON'T dispute it or are heavily risking doxxing. I wonder why creators sometimes don't dispute it, jeez.", "I tried it out and the lack of mobile device support was what turned me off of it. \n\n\nIt had potential but I think most of Mixer's money went straight to paying streamers to exclusively use the platform", "Here are the three scumbags defended by a lot of Japanese people (not all Japanese people obviously, but a lot)\n\nLieutenant Hiroo Onoda - The Worst Offender, I can't for the life of me understand how the Philippines government let this scumbag get away with this shit, especially with how Japanese soldiers raped and killed their way through the Philippines during the actual war. He also had others with him, and they used guerilla tactics to murder innocent filipinos who were just trying to live their lives. You can only imagine what these soldiers did when you read stories of what happened to any people invaded by Japan.\n\nKinshichi Kozuka\n\nShoichi Yokoi", "You get spanked but Russian bot farms welcome.", "Lol yikes", "Feels weird how this guy didn't see this coming. \n\nIn the start of this video he says you work tirelessly to adhere to copyright guidelines but one \n\nBut his videos are definitely not fair use \n\nhttps://youtu.be/1Jwo5qc78QU\n\nNot saying it's right just that it's not legal", "Excellent counterpoint", "If you're going to tell someone they are wrong, you should at least tell them why.", "It had a more proper ending than DBZ itself, I think it surpasses the funimation dub for a lot of reasons like that", "Trash Taste is not the same as their individual channels.", "> Not our copyright system, which actually protects him legally. It's the fact that YouTube is tyrannical and doesn't give a fuck about protecting creators. They would rather accept copyright claims at face value then spend the resources investigating them properly.\n\nDMCAs are not investigated by the host, they are obeyed by the host.\n\nWhy are you spreading literal lies? No part of this is true, you just made it up.", "But the entire reason japanese animators are so paranoid about copyright issues is because anime wound up being one of the most pirated exports ever, even before the industry became so strict.\n\nThe answer isn't to pirate more. That only discourages artistic digital creation, which unfortunately is something the stagnant Japanese economy specializes in.\n\nAnime voice actors, manga authors, composers, are people too.", "Looks like cool cat needs to teach someone else about fair use now.", "Arrogant, ignorant, and you go off at the drop of a hat. Quite the winning personality you've got there", "Ever heard of self-employed people?", "…Can you elaborate? You seriously can’t expect people to take your side in a discussion when you just state your opinion and offer no explanation as to why you feel that way.", "That's interesting because my experience was completely different. You can only deal with the claim creator directly through their appeal system. YT only facilitates the exchange but the one that makes the copyright strike/claim is the one to evaluate the appeal. Which seems like a bit of a conflict of interest. \n\nTo my knowledge YT only steps in sometimes. They didn't for me but I didn't push past one appeal.", "Says the guy who came into this on neither side of the argument with a comment just to bait a fight, you’re a scumbag mate. I also don’t care what you think about my personality because your opinion doesn’t matter so if we’re done here you can fuck off now", ">As to why you're ignorant in this situation: You don't need to know this streamer to know that Toei has a horrendous reputation when it comes to taking down content that falls under fair use.\n\nIt's ok buddy, I hope your day turns around :(", "I thought Ben Kenobi was our only hope.", "Japan is really strange in a lot of ways. Anime over there gets released in these exclusive Blu-ray sets of like 4 episodes a disc at stupid high prices. The customers in Japan love a bargain like everyone else so they import the US releases for a fraction of the price. Then the licensor gets angry at the US licensee for individuals buying up American copies and selling them in Japan. Like, would you rather they pirate this?", "It will as soon as everyone stops trying to pick a fight knowing one side of the issue. The dude I originally replied to basically said he is now going to illegal pirate someone’s intellectual property because he watched a video from a guy he has never seen before that presented a biased one sided view on a topic he has a financial vestment in.\n\nSo yeah, fuck that guy and fuck absolutely every single person that defends him.", "Can people finally start seeing Japan for what it is already? Damn", "Agreed. Exceedingly satisfying ending. They even have little offshoots that add to the ending, making it more satisfying.", "Fuck Toei, people should pirate their shit *100%* \n\nAbuse a broken copyright system to crush small content creators and don't be shocked that people are morally okay with pirating your shows 🤷", "Seems like it's just an unfortunate risk you have to take when relying on some corporate platform to base your career and livelihood on.", "That’s exactly the problem, they didn’t abuse shit and you’re too stupid to begin understanding the issue to even think critically about it. I don’t even like anime, TOEI and this content creators can go jump in a hole for all I care but if you even knew a fraction about fair use laws you could go to his channel right now and find cases of copyright infringement on each of his videos.\n\nI hope he never gets the videos back and loses his channel, goes bankrupt and has to start his career again because the dude is a career thief", "LittleKuriboh last uploaded YGOTAS about 10 months ago, episode 83. \n\nI actually didn't even know this but he just uploaded a YuGiOh GX reaction video about a week ago, so looks like he's still around a bit. First time he's uploaded anything in 8 months.", "> odysee \n\nOdysee is great but it needs a little work. Also there is the issue (for some) that when you get to the front page you don't get the same sort of content you find on YouTube. If you go to YouTube signed out you see either grown men with their mouths agape looking at something in a clickbaity, sponsored video or you see corporate shit like the Tonight Show. \n\nYou hop on Odysee and the first thing you might see is someone complaining about a government policy or cultural issue that they disagree with. That's the nature of free speech and when you deny free speech on platforms like YouTube, your competitors will have a disproportionate amount of videos taking on controversial subjects.", "Ah, cannot get anymore out of you. It was fun while it last.", "Why has nobody created a competitor to this site yet? It's such trash I would never try to start a business on it because you're entirely at their mercy and that's not my idea of \"financial freedom.\"", "Society is built on cooperation, but hey you go get 'em lone wolf cool guy! Enjoy those hundreds of hours uploaded every minute of whatever the statistic is. Screw those who may be able to consume text context but not audio/visual... There's certainly never thanks for those who make content accessible to those in an office setting, for example, nevermind users with disabilities.\n\nThe fact you're describing it as effort makes me think I'm fine not knowing this particular YouTube drama involving someone I'm not familiar with and a company I only know in passing.", "I mean I wasn’t replying to you anymore but sure thing", "In this case this is 100% OP's fault for using footages", "A lot of people in the west see Japan with rose tinted glasses so they get a pass a lot of time.", "I don't think it absolves them from hypocrisy, but it might explain it.", "Except other reviewers barely show any content from the media they're talking about. \n\nThe most popular ones only show themselves talking about the movie/series and maybe playing a few seconds of a trailer or showing a still. Mark's videos are +40 minutes of copyrighted material while he talks over it.", "> So they cut the buds before it sprouts kinda thing for them.\n\nI believe the phrase you're looking for is \"nip it in the bud.\"", "I could never understand building a career around someone elses media, what if they just dont like you?\n\nMike from led retter media loves star trek, fans of mike bothered william shatner, now william shatner HATES mike and they have never met.\n\nits that sort of thing.", "In other countries, underlings saying \"Hey, that might be a problem because X\" might get ignored because of course big boss so-and-so knows what he or she is talking about. But in Japan the underlings won't even say it. Not even to each other. At least that's my ill-informed take on it.", "And yet here we are.", "Yeah but top reviewers don't show copyrighted content for +40 minutes in their videos lol\n\nThe most popular reviewers on TV and Youtube just show themselves talking about the movie/series and usually add a still image or poster, maybe a few seconds of a trailer too, that's it.", "It almost feels like the best possible fix at this point would be to find various avenues to contact the company and draw attention via social media. It could likely be a bot or person from the company tasked with claiming the videos and disconnected from whoever contacted him about a collaboration. That being said, it is scary how quickly a site can be taken down like this with no fast resolution. The YT claim system does seem to place power in the hands of the company making the claim and seems ill equipped to quickly deal with these issues.", "wow holy shet did not now about that\n\nI know some other ubuters who does the exact same thing selling merchs on other IP or like linking to bootleg china site getting commotion if people buy from their link.\n\n I admit I never liked this guy because he is the perfect example of a drifter got big on DB, started doing OP just like a 1 year ago, acting like his a big OP fan and a anime/manga fan in general, I call 100% BS on that he is just doing the most famous popular anime/manga that exist, now he is doing blind naruto reviews...come on these are all old Ip that other anime utuber channel has been forever, some of them for over 10 years. \n\nHe never talks about any new anime that are interesting or w.e its just bandwagon the biggest know name, its silly how people defending him act like he helped those anime get famous or w.e When he does a video about I dont know banished from the hero party or something and gets a lot of views then we can talk about actually helping said anime.,\n\nRight now he just drifts towards the most money to be made, always pushing what is legal or not in fair use.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nAnd this was my opinion BEFORE ur comment\n\nWOW\n\nhe also sells illegal' merch on the anime fuk him seriously, I never believed he was a real anime fan (at least not anything not DB) and then he does shit like that again wow.\n\nno surprise he is lying about the utube process etc in this video, only thing the guy is good at is PR", "Yup, what’s you’re point? You’re replying as much as I am", "Nice essay. TLDR?", "Those final words, turning a joke into an emotional gut punch? Chef's kiss", "u are mistaken \n\nhe claims it takes 30 years+ to do this\n\nits 100% false.\n\nhe could counter claim every video in 1 day and in 30 days it will be resolved. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nNo his channel will get shutdown if they actually strike him and he dont counter notification them. \n\nNo that is not how it works, utube does not do anything about it, its to be decided in court. \n\nHe claims he is fair use, if he truly think this he would counter notifation 150 video and he would then either go to court after 30 days or Toei drops it. \n\n&#x200B;\n\nu got no idea what u are talking about. Utube will remove the strike after 14 days when Toei does not take him to court.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nHe is 100% lying acting like he has to w8 for 30 years and doing 1 and 1 claim each time.\n\nThat is only in the strategy that he assumes he is gonna lose each case and have to do 1 strike at a time, (he technically could go 2 strikes at a time so not even that is true)", "Wouldn't matter if Toei could pay for it, because it still wouldn't go their way. It just incentivizes Youtube to properly adjudicate the claim instead of relying upon what is easiest and cheapest for them to do.", "That's against YouTube's best interest though. At least their short-term best financial interest. By having this ridiculous bureaucratic mess of a strike system, YouTube effectively ensures that a video won't be viewable to the masses until well past it's prime profitability window for the creator. Therefore, YouTube ends up getting quality content without having to pay for it, at least not as much as they should have paid for it. The whole thing is a scam, and I'd be willing to bet that if some Robinhood-essque YouTube employee were to leak information corroborating this theory, it would open YouTube up to the lawsuit of the century for theft and fraud.", "damn 99k likes and 0 Dislikes", "Yeah I did not think that‘s what you meant, but the person you replied to kind of implied that these two things were not „overlapping“ somehow.", "You should check out their legal system. Once your issue goes to trial/court you're pretty much damned, even if there's evidence to prove your innocence you're still unlikely to go free. To admit they were wrong would be worse than putting an innocent person in prison.", "hes lying, its easy to find how the facts are.\n\nU are right its very binary and its very easy to prove that he is lying.\n\n[https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6013276?hl=en&ref\\_topic=9282678](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/6013276?hl=en&ref_topic=9282678)\n\n[https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2814000?hl=en&ref\\_topic=9282678](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2814000?hl=en&ref_topic=9282678)\n\n\"If you upload copyright-protected content to YouTube without the copyright owner’s authorization, it may be taken down. If you believe your video was taken down in error, you can submit a copyright counter notification. \nA counter notification is a legal request for YouTube to reinstate a video that was taken down for alleged copyright infringement.\"\n\nThere is no limit to this what so ever\n\nyou can send a counter claim for ID claims 1 to X\n\nSame thing for counter notication.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nHe just assumes he is gonna lose and that is why he does not dare to do more then 1 at time. if he actually thought he was in 100% fair use and could not lose, he would just counter claim and then counter notification.\n\nwhat likely will happen is that Toei will strike his 150 videos\n\nhe will then send a counter notification and they will ignore it\n\n14 day passes\n\nall of his videos are now restored\n\n&#x200B;\n\nthis is something that like every other anime utuber has been over for the last 10 years\n\nthis guy is completely spitting out fuking bs, and trying to get this qq sympathy shit going on, where is that for all the other anime utuber who has to this shit like 1-2 per month or so.", "You’re a fool.\n\nYouTube is an American company which follows American law. He already sued Toei before and they backed down. However, YouTube has no repercussions to filing false claims. If he went to court, they’d lose simple as that. He knows that.\n\nHe does reviews. That’s quite literally it. He also does drawing videos that’s HIS and other creators’ art. QUITE LITERALLY fair use. It’s called TRANSFORMATIVE. I know you aren’t very educated on this but I can enlighten you a bit.\n\nIn American law, fair use is protected from copyright holders.", "not really.\n\nu first defended him with that shit, that u then are trying to make it be a funny remark back is just stupid.\n\nu lost the argument and then u tried to avoid having to answer to ur shity argument.", "Nope. 30 days for one part of the claim, 30 days for a response, and 14 on top of that for the final legal action at which point it can be re-uploaded. Plus if he challenges a claim too quickly after he finished one challenge he gets penalized and could be removed from YouTube as a whole. So 74 days x 155 videos = 11,470 days = 31.4 years. Factoring in that waiting period and if it's two weeks between videos that's 5.94 years so a total of 37.3 years", "You’re also dumb if you think you made a point with that Nike logo shit lol", "I can't say I agree, specifically because it's not like we are really talking about niche shows here. I think the videos in question were Dragon Ball-Z or One Piece which are absolutely massive franchises.\n\nI've seen both those shows and didn't know TNM existed until yesterday.\n\nThe only way I can really see that arguement is if this was a niche thing that got popular because of its online presence, but not really the case here.", "The content produced by the unpaid employees that YouTube cares very, very little about. This is their perspective. Please do not mistake this for any defense of such a perspective, but please do be realistic about who the customer is in this scenario.", "I can see the video and i'm in europe. Not using a VPN either.", "not how it works\n\nu can counter claim every video on the same time. \n\n\"he challenges a claim too quickly after he finished one challenge he gets penalized and could be removed from YouTube\"\n\ncompletely false, stop spreading ur bs. \n\nthe time one counter claim has absolutely no bearing on the situation. \n\nHe can counter claim every video today, he does not have to w8 for 1 to be resolved. he is absolutely lying, and so are u.", "u dont get it do u\n\nhow would that change anything if they dont care about that minor cost?\n\nit would just make it worse for people who dont have the money\n\nur solution is therefor ANTI what u want, think for a change and come back lol", "YouTube provides bandwidth and an audience for free.\n\nHow are they fucking over creators exactly?", "That's a fair statement and I agree with you. People fuck themselves over by depending on youtube ad revenue that is beyond their personal control then portray youtube as a villain for it.", "Seems you're wrong friend. From [source](https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2797454?hl=en)\n\n>What happens after you appeal\nAfter you appeal a rejected dispute, the copyright owner has 30 days to respond. After you appeal, there are a few actions the copyright owner can take:\n\n>Do nothing and let the claim expire: If the copyright owner doesn’t respond within 30 days, then their claim on your video will expire and you don’t need to do anything.\nRelease the claim: If the copyright owner agrees with your appeal, then they can release their claim and you don’t need to do anything.\nRequest immediate removal of your video: if they believe their claim is still valid, they may issue a copyright takedown request against your video. If this happens, you’ll get a copyright strike on your account. If you still believe that you have the rights to the content, you can submit a counter notification.\nNote: A video can get more than one Content ID claim or takedown request, but can only get one copyright strike at a time.\nSchedule a takedown request for your video: If the copyright owner issues a scheduled copyright takedown request, you can cancel your appeal within 7 days. By canceling, you’ll prevent the takedown and you won’t get a copyright strike. The Content ID claim will remain active on your video. Learn more about the difference between copyright takedowns and Content ID claims.\n\nLet me break it down for you in simple terms.\n\n1. Someone copyright CLAIMS 10 videos I made\n\n2. If I dispute multiple at once, let's say 2, and they reject both, each instance gives me a strike.\n\n3. At 3 strikes my channel is killed.\n\n\nSo no, he can't dispute multiple claims at once. You're as mistaken as your usage of grammar: terrible", "i have long realized that youtube has stopped caring about the \"you\" part in tube and it is just another soulless corporation when they told me to seek guidelines/help with suicide hotline when they deleted my channel with thousands of hours blood and sweat put into it. The thing i miss the most are reading those helpful and appreciative comments or just interacting with people.\n\nEverday i still wake up and hope that some god at google would take another look at countless mails i sent them over years and give my channel back and if not that, at the very list just take away my upload rights forever but still give all of my videos back. Its not fair to terminate my channel all because i decided to play 20 years old games with mods and it didn't sit well with capcom.", "Yeah DBZA revived my love for the franchise and imo it's actually a really good dub in its own right.", "I think they should just make some repercussions for false claims. Like, if your company makes 3 false claims, they aren’t allowed to claim videos for a year or maybe ever again or something.", "> Aren't companies kinda forced to do this to keep their copy rights?\n\nNo, they aren't at all. Companies can pick and choose when they enforce copyright with no risk of losing it.\n\n> Youtube's system is fucked up and if what these people do does correctly fall under fair use...\n\nYouTube has no legal position to determine if something is fair use. Not that they won't, they legally can't. Fair use can only be used as a defense in a court of law.\n\n> Then it's more on Youtube for having a bad system.\n\nThe bad part of YouTube here is that creators can only counter claim a small number of videos at a time, and that there can be a large window between those claims.", "He can't dispute multiple claims at once. So each instance on it's own is 30 days for initial dispute, 30 days for an appeal, and then 14 days for the legal response where if they do nothing he gets it back. However after disputing once he gets a strike, three strikes and his profile is gone. So, let's do the math. 74 days to get a vid back X 155 videos (at last estimate) = 11,470 days which is 31.4 years. If the waiting period to allow the strike to be removed is 2 additional weeks (bringing the total up to 90 days after disputing and getting a strike for the strike to be removed, which according to Google is correct) that actually brings the total time up to 37.3 years. It's simple math", "From what I understand it’s starting to change now, but during the couple of years I lived in Japan back in the early 2010s it was still the case that most people only worked for 1-3 companies over the courses of their lives.\n\nThe typical track was to work hard to get into college, goof off during college (entrance is the hard part, not the school itself), go job hunting after graduation, get hired, go buy a house, and continue to work for that same company, ascending the ranks on seniority alone (seniority is king there — the guy who’s been with the company since college will get dibs on a higher ranking specialist role before a newbie with more credentials for that specialty) until retirement.\n\nThat’s totally unthinkable in the US, and I would guess probably most other western nations. Americans at the very least change jobs like shirts.\n\nI could see how that, paired with the Japanese policy of, “don’t disturb the peace (or appearance of such)” could lead to strong reluctance of workers to challenge superiors and poke the proverbial bear. Easier and safer to just quietly ride it out.", "I think your argument is a bit narrow-minded. Think of it this way, Superbowl ads are stupidly expensive, and yet the brands that we see are brands everybody knows. These companies clearly are doing it for a reason. There is value in keeping a brand name \"advertised\" even if it is fully established.", "Agreed!", "I've occasionally seen companies issue DMCA takedowns on their own content such as trailers.\n\nIf I was feeling petty and in your position, would your ISP allow those companies to shoot themselves in.their foot?", "Obviously. Didn't they teach you anything in law school?", "It was after them, and after TFS decided to stop doing DBZA. I should've made that clear.", "This might be a partial piece of evidence as to his...frostier reception to the show as a whole.", "> There is no limit to this what so ever\n\nThis is incorrect. By filing a dispute, they can reject it and give you a strike. If the reject multiple you get multiple strikes and 3 strikes and your channel is terminated. Additionally it's up to 30 days to respond to the claim, and then up to 30 additional days for the dispute. So no, you're just lying and the links you shared actually prove it.", "I work for a Japanese company and the amount of bureaucracy we have to go through to buy an $800 computer so someone can do their job is wild. It takes us like an average of 6 weeks for any purchase between $500 and $1000", "Its not going to. \n\nThe restrictions are this lax and favorable to copyright holders explicitly because if they didn't they'd be sued out of oblivion by big media companies.\n\nI recommend Tom Scott's video on this matter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jwo5qc78QU\n\nWe've been down this song and dance countless times. We don't and won't have a competitor to YouTube because YouTube provides video hosting for free and is supported by the largest advertising firms in the world. YouTube also won't suddenly make it favorable or fair to content creators regarding ContentID because every single big media firm is going to sue them out of existence.\n\nAt this point a political action is almost necessary at this stage.", "The other guy is actually wrong. The way it works is that you get multiple claims which are one thing, but if you try to dispute the claim and get your content back the claimant gets to determine if your claim is valid or not. If they reject it you get a strike. You can hypothetically dispute multiple claims at once but if they reject three (and they have no legal obligation to engage in good faith) then your channel has 7 days where you cannot upload or do really anything before your account is terminated and you're blocked from creating new ones.", "Maybe removing the like button will fix it.", "The point is you shouldn't have to. This is a huge example as to why copyright as a whole is BULLSHIT.\n\nGoing to social media and bitching is more effective than the courts 100% of the time. Copyright ONLY serves to protect massive IP's and that's it. The little guy will never be able to afford a copyright battle with someone. That's why you always see people who have work stolen by bigger artists flock to places like YouTube or Reddit to garner public attention to whatever is happening.\n\nWhy is that so effective? Because people care about the art. Courts and IP's only care about the money. So people will support the OG if they are stolen from. The court doesn't care. It's the morally correct thing to do and when it comes to theft people are usually on the same side.", "Yea... I can't find a single ounce of sympathy for him.", "yeah, it's called running a business. And youtube is a service. Don't like it. Don't use it. Or, if you want to use it, play by their rules.", "and?\n\nu can still do it for all the 150 videos on the same time. \n\nno the link I share proves it\n\nAND\n\nmark right now tweeted that he is o counter claiming each video all in 1 day, proving me right and proving he lied\n\nhttps://twitter.com/TotallyNotMark/status/1468626509262954503", "You know damn will he didn't. 🙄", "false.\n\nu can counter claim all 10 videos right away. \n\nand mark is doing that right now -. [https://twitter.com/TotallyNotMark/status/1468626509262954503](https://twitter.com/TotallyNotMark/status/1468626509262954503)\n\nhe lied\n\njust like u did", "Probable more than $800 in working hours as well!", "Cost of hosting all that footage. YouTube essentially loses money because it costs so much to keep it afloat", "Mark now just tweeted he is gonna counter claim each video in day proving his lies in this video\n\n[https://twitter.com/TotallyNotMark/status/1468626509262954503](https://twitter.com/TotallyNotMark/status/1468626509262954503)\n\nwhile I agree that toei and Japanese anime company in general is way to anti fair use, this guy has always lied about how the system works to milk out sympathy, sending people t his patreon etc\n\nMost anime utubers deals with this stuff on a monthly basis, hes been playing russian roulette with the biggest most bandwagon anime he can find.\n\nYet in this video he acts all surprised and lies about how the whole system works, just becasue evil big corp exist dont mean that this guy is right or honest.\n\nMark also illegally sells Dragon ball Merchandise that Toei or shueisha or w.e can go after him on\n\n[https://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/TotallyNotMark/](https://www.designbyhumans.com/shop/TotallyNotMark/)", "And that's why there are fair use laws, so you can use someone else's footage in a constructive way.", "If you can only appeal one at a time, then they should only be able to claim infringement on one video at a time.", "awwww. \nsome jokes hit, some do not. some people get fucked up!", "I think we’re going to need regulatory monitoring of the big socials. This is untenable.", "Well anime companies still strike people for just talking about anime so that is not true\n\npeople and MARK dont get how TOEI is like one of the actual NICEST ANIME COMPANIES, they did not even strike him. Toei is just famous because they do the big shows, and Mark only caters to the big anime as hes not really into anime.\n\nSMEG,Molebeat,kadokawa etc are 10x worse then Toei.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThat being said yes, Mark relies 100% on 99%-100% copyrighted footage and he refuse to stop doing that as he know he is gonna lose all his viewers on that.\n\nThis guy was playing a very high risk high reward plan where he was super grayzone anime utuber, something other anime utubers dont dare to do, this gave him an upper hand over these other anime utubers\n\nBUT also made his channel be at massive risk all the time, now he dont wanna go basic just talking to a camera because he knows he cannot compete with other people doing that.", "Their TVs are pretty good, I have one and it’s one of the few smart TVs that ships with just Android TV without a thick slathering of half-baked crap on top. Its firmware can be updated via thumb drive too, so you’re not locked out of bug fixes if you decide to use it as a dumb TV with no internet connection.\n\nSimilar for their smartphones, though I don’t have one of those. They ship with a very lightly customized Android instead of crap like touchwiz and they don’t push you to use Sony ecosystem everything nearly as badly as Samsung stuff does.\n\nThe main downside of their electronics is price, but when you see the likes of Vizio and other cheap manufacturers making up the difference in margins with egregious ads and the like, the extra cost doesn’t seem so bad. Hell, with Samsung you’re paying Sony prices and still get pushed ads.", "This is terrible, but also the reason why putting your entire career into the hands of youtube is probably not a great idea.", "But but.... Jon oliver used it and he's fine. Yeah, they're a tv show that licensed the clip and not a leech that does it and cries later when there's consequences.\n\nAs others have pointed out. He's happily been selling unofficial dbz merchandise too. If they wanted to they could bankrupt him in a snap", "A country that still depends on fax machines and snail mail to conduct business in this day and age is the definition of stuck in last century.\n\nThe pandemic hopefully kick starts their move to digitization.... probably not.", "Extremely advanced in some areas... still uses fax machines for business communications.\n\nIt's a strange contradiction.", "Tfs would never be considered fair use. They used the entire visuals of each ep", "It’s true, I’ve seen several derivative fan works here in the west get dropslammed out of existence. It’s really a shame, because they all had a lot of passion and hard work put into them. A lot of creativity and potential new lifeblood for old franchises has been snuffed out that way.", "Using clips is one thing but selling merch unofficially is just retarded. They're gonna bend him over a barrel", "As someone else said, they don't need to view every minute of every video. Instead, they only need to view videos that have copyright strikes against them, which I'm pretty sure is much lower.\n\nThey could lower it even further, by penalizing people/companies who file claims that turn out to be bogus. File 100 bogus claims? Now you go in the \"we'll review your claims once a month or so. etc.\n\nThere are ways to fix it, what's lacking is will to fix it.", "All it would take to put an end to that is for the community to create its own similar-but-not-warhammer properties, tweaked just enough to evade copyright laws. There’s enough creativity within that fanbase that they could likely not just pull it off, but come out with a better product than GW could produce.", "It's probably pretty close. I have to fill out a form and source quotes which is an hour or two of my time. Then it goes to my manager who then verifies the quotes with me then it goes to regional then national.", "The best thing the creators of Youtube ever did was sell it. Youtube has been around for almost 20 years and it is both the best and worst business idea. Youtube since it's inception has consistently lost money due to copyright issues. I feel for people who invested and lost time, content, and money but at the same time you really need to learn history and do research before using ANY platform.", "It's like certain subsets of the Japanese economy has the disdain of foreigners so greatly that they actively shoot themselves in the foot because \"ew gaijin\".", "Yeah. I have seen two responses from him. One was much older when TFS was still early in Season 2, where he didn't say much except pretty much what I paraphrased. Then a more recent one where he seems to take it much more seriously and comes down much harder on them.\n\nI have heard the dude is kind of a dick anyway, his more official or more recent response kind of lends creedence to that.", "Honestly if it was me I'd just reply and ask if they'll claim, copyright strike, and sue me if I make a video promoting them since they seem so trigger happy with everything else.", "They have a ministry for anime in Japan so they take it as softpower and do Disney level bullshit", "That's a load of crap. If any VA could get away with that, it would be Schemmel. There's no way Funnimation would risk losing such a voice actor over something so minor.", "They are finally getting bit by the fps bug though. Apex Legends is crazy popular in Japan, I think Respawn said it’s like their second largest market after the US.", "hopefully.\n\nJust becasue they are super anti fair use does not mean that Mark is not a total money grabbing criminal either.", "I’d say pirating it is the same as not watching it.", "Marketing implies you're intentionally trying to reach a demographic to sell or move a product to. Me drawing Cloud Strife skull fucking a Moogle is fan art but it is not marketing just because I'm showing the characters.\n\nDo you call people who work at AutoZone mechanics?", "Issue is YouTube is not as big as people think. Like employee wise, they don’t have enough people to review videos. They rely on AI algorithms to do the work for them. That’s why you can’t email/call/contact YouTube. There is no help center, there’s just an FAQ page. With the amount of claims they receive daily, the amount of content uploaded every day, they would need an army of eyes to do the work.\n\n\nImagine the content ID system catches 50k videos a day and companies report another 50k videos each day for copyright infringement. You’d have to hire thousands of people just to watch the videos and do the work to figure out if it’s legitimate or not.", "Good luck with that.", "Why should YouTube care about its creators though? The big money is businesses advertising on it. For every creator who leaves YouTube, two probably take his place.", "Covid and the net code being god awful also helped.", "Covid and shit net code contributed just as much", "Not exactly true, when covid hit many games fell out of the FGC because they were unplayable online due to awful netcode. DBFZ was one of them, granblue fantasy versus was another.", "I do (or did, I suppose) often come across very-disliked videos when searching for guides for repairs, disassembly, etc. Tons of car videos I could pretty quickly judge whether it would help me based on the thumbs.", "Oh, sorry, that's what I meant. That the threats were coming from Toei, not Funimation. Lani and Kaiser have even done voice work for Funimation. They were in a Fairy Tail arc, and Kaiser had a line in ReLIFE. Lani also played a character named Doma in One Piece.", "welcome to the 3rd reich of entertainment", "I never seen his videos so I can't really say if he had copyright violations past fair-use. I was assuming he is being honest in his video that indeed it was under fair-use. If he has a history with them such as cross-promotion this shows awareness of his channel and potentially even permission or at least acknowledgement it was fair-use. What other recourse does he have? I just think he fucked up and got too deep into being a piggy-back business. Sounds like he did reviewed 2 shows and released his videos on just Youtube. That's too centralized. Your business should never need another business to survive.", "At the point you start turning it into a business and feeding your family, that's a good time to maybe contact the company about a formal partnership or at least a letter of approval that the channel is fair-use. You must create a relationship. You contact Legal and try to make yourself a friend. He totally fucked up. You can complain about Youtube and Taio (whatever it was) but this guy knew the rules of the game.", "hell no. I watch him for his opinions and great analysis. You're trying to make it sound like he just puts up unedited clips which he does not.", "which he doesnt", "he aint doing every single video jesus man", "hell no, his reviews and analysis of jojos, hxh, berserk and one piece provided many new insights to people", "not really because i cant imagine anyone actually doing that", "hell no, his editor is insanely talented", "It doesn't matter what's going through someone's mind when they click the upvote/downvote buttons - every vote contributes to the way the post is being received by the community.", "That’s what they said in 1888 at the Bryant & May about the match workers strike", "watch his literal first video on hxh and you see many praising his insight", "many people still got into it because of him like me and he doesnt show unedited clips", "changing a remix a little bit and a review/analytic series talking about a series with no unedited clips is not a fair comparison.\n\nHe does critique both\n\nAlso he reviews the manga which Toei doesnt even own", "cant just take down 150 videos just because", "thats just stupid", "he makes money off his reviews which take hours of writing each and every week and he is very consistent, doesnt show unedited clips and many people like i actually checked out one piece because of him", "lawyers are expensive and he has other options like his patreon and his other videos which arent copyrighted so he's doing fine", "jesus, i hate when people start being condescending just to feel superior for no reason, its sad", "whjat?", "lol not an argument\n\nI can give u insight in a lot of stuff very easily", "No doubt. You have a sound argument that free good publicity is in their interest, but this is where Toei is rn. It could change if enough people boycotted, but now we're talking about a movement or court ruling (unlikely). \n\nIt's their IP. If they wanna be extra about it they're technically allowed to.", "again u just admitted again that is a substitute\n\nsaying that NOT MANY will use it like that is a coop out.", "but he has no need for them righ? if he actually has good insight the word is what matters.", "ad pop fallacy", "how many? 1? 2?\n\nafter the other 100+ millions of sold copies of OP lol\n\nhe has no effect on the OP success", "very small minority so basically nothing, he gets more people into the shows than not", "then you're not allowing the talented editor to work", "thats not what that is", "most likely most of his 600k subscribers including me", "hahahahaha\n\nwhat a fukiong lie\n\nfirst of all its as hity ad pop fallacy\n\nand most of his subs are for dragon ball", "learn basic logic. what u wrote was 100% ad pop fallacy", "what is the need for that?\n\nhe can get a job then doing original videos", "\"real word\" pretentiousness", "and one piece and hxh and jojos", "if most people agree that his analysis is fantastic then yeah im pretty sure its true, it just seems like you got a hateboner for him", "barely", "because these videos are fair use and the combination of mark's analysis and editor san's fantastic use of editing the material combines the videos into great works of art", "ad pop fallacy, its not an argument", "\"real\"? Editing marks videos is a real gig, he makes money.\n\nNot a shill, i just support people im fans of and appreciate them", "he still has a patreon which many people joined after this video he can rely on but the fact remains that toei took away a massive amount of his revenue", "no, they might be under fair use\n\nlikely they are not.", "haha yes he got a patreon\n\nthat is the reason he is lying his ass of in the video cries about FEEDING HIS FAMILY\n\nso dumb people will give him money. \n\nFact remains that he should have prepared for that risk.", "likely they are", "how dare he feel outraged about a company harassing! The cheek! He also has a patreon so yes he did prepare for the risk but toei is so bad they took down 150 vids", "fucks sake, his videos were transformative and analysis videos which need the context of already having SEEN the shows he talks about", "based on what? ur imaginary lack of understanding of the law?", "could say the same to you", "hes not being harassed do\n\nit would be harassment if they send him like 1 block per day for 150 days\n\nno he is so bad that he put himself in that risk.", "hahaha\n\npathetic as always\n\nI explained several times why he got a weak fair use case, u have of course failed to counter argue any of that.", "It’s a neckbeard fetish in general, Japan. It’s understandable, the cartoons lead to an obsession. The way of the neckbeard samurai some would say? I wouldn’t say personally but some", "that are all silent, in the background and rarely ever played and each intro uses a fan cover not the actual thing", "nah toei is just that shit", "i literally feel the same you to you", "he aint fucking stealing a thing, he's literally analysing the very thing which needs the context of the thing he's talking about and the clips that are silent and edited over are just there to be visually appealing", "he profits off his reviews which he spends week after week writing and toei doesnt even own the MANGA WHICH IS WHAT HE REVIEWS!", "I don't think it's Funimation that's the problem, it's Toei. I won't pretend to know the industry, but I wouldn't be surprised if Toei told Funimation \"Fire Sean Schemmel or we are taking the Dragonball series elsewhere\" then Sean Schemmel will get fired. \n\nNow, I don't think it would have come to that over TFS, but when it comes to access to the cash cow that is Dragonball, Toei calls the shots.", "The creator of YGOTAS unfortunately has been suffering from severe mental health issues and has been in and out of the hospital the last few years but he still uploads an episode or two a year and man the quality of them is usually insane when he does.", ">unlike his bitch ass editor who only thinks he's an artist\n\nyou just invalidated yourself", "u clearly dont.", "previous comment", "yeah again no\n\n&#x200B;\n\nI pity u, that is the feelings I have for u", "why are you pitying me? Im fine", "u clearly are suffocating having ur head so deep up marks ass", "god forbid i support a content creator im a fan of", "2 wasn’t enough", "Yes, so simple -- how did I not see it? Of course it would take a completely sane and rational person 37 years to get their videos reinstated or, I dunno, maybe like an hour to REUPLOAD THEM SOMEWHERE ELSE!\n\nAM I THE ONLY ONE WITH SOME FUCKING SENSE IN THIS THREAD?!", "You're not really comparable at all.", "bruh", "Good point, I assumed he meant Funimation.", "pretentiousness embodied", "lol support vs being obsessed\n\nhe is not gonna have sex with u ok.", "what are you on about?", "u", "Isn't Youtube the real problem here that doesn't protect it's creators? Toei is just a greedy huge company that's gonna do what greedy huge companies do, you can't find ethics in them.", "He totally can, but YouTube is the default video sharing website so his reach is limited outside of that and reuploading something copyright claimed back to YouTube is a fast way to get you entire account nuked. Additionally if it takes 90 days to deal with claims (as per Google's indication it does and you can't challenge multiple videos at once, again as per Google's indication due to their 3 strikes system) then it's 155 videos x 90 days, can you do this simple math with your \"fucking sense\" you think everyone else lacks and tell us pea brains how many days/years that makes up or should I do it for you?", "Copyright laws are broken though. Covers, parodies, drawings, etc. are all grey area because they are close enough in likeness to the original art that it can count as infringement. Shit, you can draw a dot on a screen and make it jump around no problem but if you start making Mario's smash bros sound effects with your mouth like \"Wahoo! Yeeha!\" and everyone watching immediately recognizes what you are doing, then it can be considered infringement because the sounds you are making are so quintessentially characteristic of Mario. Even reviews, gameplay, and reaction videos are toeing the line because unless you are criticizing all of the technical aspects of the clip you are using (artwork, sound quality, voiceover methodology, storytelling elements, etc.) you technically don't need to show your viewers the clip in order to make your video. A lot of companies just let it slide because they know it's good for them overall and there's no real threat of them losing rights or revenue.", "If their opinion doesn't matter, then that means your opinion never mattered in the first place, so why did you even comment originally?", "\"no u!\" And a fundamental inability to do math while calling everyone else idiots. Gotta love Reddit sometimes", "I like how everybody else's opinion doesn't matter and isn't relevant, besides yours of course", "They literally said they watched his videos", "Lol you really think you're super smart... That's why you keep saying that nobody else's opinion matters but yours.... And no, actually you replied more than they did", "When have they ever done this. It’s almost 2022 and I’ve now seen this type of videos on Reddit & YouTube for a bout a decade now", "You stupid pile of shit. It's not THIS guy, it's everything else mentioned. Like, I dunno, DragonBall Z Abridged. How many other abridged series? How about, clearly, this means they're attacking anything that uses their stuff ever.\n\nYou are an arrogant pile of garbage.", "Awful comparison. What people at autozone do has nothing in common with what mechanics do. I'm not sure why you think marketing to a specific demographic is part of the central definition, but I'm pretty sure anything that helps drive interest for a product is marketing.", "Apples to apples comparison for sure", "Yup, gotta love Reddit with all the people who don't understand humor, rational thought, and always gotta get the last word... \n\n\n \n...wait a minute. 🤔", "No, you see, I don't care to do this \"simple math\" because it's lame and pointless. I dunno about you, but whenever someone presents me with an unreasonable blockade to my upward trajectory, I figure out a way to get around it. It's a concept called \"pulling yourself up by your bootstraps.\" \n\n\nHence, I gotta say, it's really sad to see you sniveling snowflakes rallying around each other like this when what you should be doing is building your own (better) platform to host videos so that you don't have to put up with this shit anymore. It's been like 5+ years since YouTube has been fucking over its users -- you all sound like a broken record. Take your balls and go play somewhere else... I hear OnlyFans is nice. 🤷‍♂️", "inhales\n\nso all of this along with the burnout they were going through? god dammit toei. this post is just murdering any respect i had for toei and leaving it in a ditch. god dam. they helped kill DBZA. that is unforgivable.", "Always wondered about that Sony store in the city. Not a surprise to find out it's just more of Sony's incompetence.", "Glad to see some cross platform traction on this video. Phillip DeFranco just covered it so hopefully the momentum continues.", "Resident Evil is an example of awful video game adaptions. Terrible movies.", "I'd believe that if TV shows with nudity, swearing in it wasn't by far the most popular stuff you guys watch.\n\nAmericans LOVE that stuff. It's advertisers who advertise on broadcast TV that don't like it.\n\nAnything that can escape advertisers has swearing, nudity, violence out the ass. HBO, Netflix, Showtime, Amazon prime etc etc.\n\nAmericans have no problem with this stuff and broadcast TV is getting left in the past because of it. No one wants to watch censored TV with advertisements out the ass anymore.", "I don't at all agree with that line of thinking.\n\nAmericans very much do like nudity and swearing. It's TV advertisers that don't. Any media that can escape advertisers usually has nudity or swearing.", "So you're too stupid to do simple math, cool thanks for letting us all know! I'll be sure to send you some easy 3rd grade math videos when I leave your mom's house", "I know I made a great point when everyone resorts to making mom jokes. Well, jokes on you: my mom's dead, so you must be a necrophiliac. \n\n\nSend those 3rd grade math videos my way, but be careful: they might get copyright stricken and then I'll just have to come back here and cry about it.", "[Tim Kuik](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREIN) has entered the chat.\n\nThey used the [FIOD](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_Information_and_Investigation_Service) to go after alleged pirates.", "[BREIN](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREIN) \n \n >The stichting BREIN (Bescherming Rechten Entertainment Industrie Nederland) translates roughly as association for the Protection of the Rights of the Entertainment Industry of the Netherlands. BREIN (English: Brain or Brains) is an association in which the Dutch recording industry and movie studios participate.\n \n[Fiscal Information and Investigation Service](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiscal_Information_and_Investigation_Service) \n \n >The Fiscal Information and Investigation Service (Dutch: Fiscale inlichtingen- en opsporingsdienst (FIOD)) is an agency of the government of the Netherlands responsible for investigating financial crimes. It is part of the Tax and Customs Administration, which itself falls under the responsibility of the Dutch Ministry of Finance.\n \n^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( \| )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( \| )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/videos/about/banned)^( \| )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove \| v1.5)", "> They are too big for DMCA to actually work.\n\nHow does that matter? What do you mean by work?\n\nIf by work, you mean they are too big for copyright owners to be able to manually search for infringing content, then how's that Youtube's problem? The DMCA law does NOT state that the site hosting the content has to make it easy for people to search for content on it. Youtube has NO obligatin to make the DMCA \"work\" for them. As long as they are doing the bare minimum the law requires, they are within the letter of the law, and their asses are covered. The DMCA was created specifically to sheild them from suits so they could continue to remain in business, and the internet could continue to exist. I was not created to put ornerous requirements on any hosting service. Google is literally the only company that could manage to provide this level of automated copyright protection on their site. It's not easy matching up video and audio fingerprints on compressed and altered audio.", "American football definitely cuts into life span, and combat sports can lead to Ali like mental deterioration.", "You don’t understand the law, do you?", "he draws the merch himself", "Except ContentID was provided to appease the large corporations who would otherwise just send DMCA takedown requests.\n\nIf they start charging for ContentID (or making it otherwise less-accessible) then those corporations will just go back to sending takedown requests like they did originally.", "are you really going to try to argue the gray area that is lawsuit with someone when you probably have no legal expertise at all? unless one side tries to sue the other and get more clear rules, it's going to be like this forever \n\n\nthey can strike whoever the fuck they want, it's their material, this dude isn't going to do anything about it but whine and cry and try to pretend like him using all this material he doesn't own is his right and 'fair use', but he's not going to go to court and he will get pressured by both sides to not do it because if he tries to argue fair use and loses then everyone and their mom in any type of media like this is absolutely fucked \n\n\nthe same way that companies don't want to sue people for fair use because if they lose then people can make money off them in this media \n\n\npeople keep trying to be like \"it's fair use! free publicity!\" don't fucking act like this dude got his views from anything other than the shit he was using, the media made him \n\n\ni'd be willing to wager most of the 'i got into this anime because of this guy!' probably pirate shit or read shit online/watch shit online anyway so no, the companies actually don't get anything out of it in this case", "toei doesnt own the manga he reviews", "he literally said he wont support toei, id wait until he does another video", "his brand is centered around his reviews and analysis", "the clips are silent and not a replacement for the show", "how are they not", "nothing stolen", "haha copyright bot go vroom", "his lifes work is writing", "It's explained in the video I linked.\nAlso Japan's laws are clear in how strict they are.\n\nThere is no ambiguity, while there is a fair argument as to why these should constitute fair use, they certainly do not in the eyes of the law.\n\nSomething OP was very specific about respecting allegedly...", "he analyses it and promotes it", "hell no, his videos are about his analysis", "limited offer", "so he can stop using the footage then if u watch it for the analysis", "he transforms the footage and it isnt a replacement and the editing on his videos are fantastic", "just like mark eh illegally selling copyrighted merch", "I don't disagree, but what I am pointing os that content ID is just an agreement and not law: it can be improved and negotiated without violating the DMCA, which is always always available. \n\nAlso important, one goes to real court, the other to Google court.", "his own art and was a limited offer from years ago", "hes objectively stealing it\n\nfair use begs the question if it was an ok steal.\n\nhis videos have a weak fair use stand.\n\nur whole thing just keeps downplaying the actual facts\n\nhis videos are 100% copyright across the whole video\n\nhe has clips that he is not talking about, he has clips that he is not critiquing etc. he would have a very hard time winning in court.", "literally every clip shown he talks about in detail and analyzes, thats the point of his videos", "then how come he didnt get into any trouble then", "that just proves he is doing it illegally.\n\nif he is reviewing the manga (which is a yes) yet he shows anime clips? \n\nwhy?\n\nIts gonna be really hard for him to argue fair use over anime clips when he is not even talking about those anime clips.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nit of course has absolutely zero fuking value if he spend 1 minute or 10 minutes writing the review, for that matter it exist way better manga reviewers who does it on the FLY, having spend 0 time writing a script before, X time spend has no bearing on quality nor if its legal or not.", "years ago, his own art and limited", "because manga panels take much longer to edit and the anime clips adapt the panels he talks out", "seems like a pretty long time to me", "the clips provide context, are silent and cut frequently", "and really isnt a big deal anyways and still doesnt change the facts that toei screwed up", "Kind of. You have workers with zero recourse against an employer, the only way to fix that is to hit the employer where it hurts, their cash flow.", ">It is a big deal because finally you are starting to wrap your head around what it means to steal IP\n\nwhich mark isnt, infact he promotes it", "and mark is still making videos and still has toei vids up", "he legit got me and many others into one piece and he promotes himself by using his own analysis which we all love", "the biggest franchise is either naruto or db, one piece is popular in japan only\n\nand your other points are just plain dumb with stupid shit like \"muh real job\" yeah well done buddy, mark makes money by entertaining hundreds of thousands every week with his great writing", "so u cannot answer the question of course\n\nif u are there for his analysis why cannot he do a none copyright videos?", "nope, he still sells goku on a t-shirt its not his art.", "because thats not his style, his editor is talented to and puts tons of work into each video and its all fair use", "in another comment u literally said that was not what each clip did.\n\nnor do u offer any defend at all to what I wrote.", "so he has anime clip that is irrelevant to what he is talking about - not fair use.", "yeah it is, he drew it and toei doesnt own the manga art", "i literally did, you are just being difficult", "I don’t, he stole their content used it to make money and was even selling illegal DBZ merch. You cannot make money off of fan art, draw it share it all you like, but once you try and profit off of it, you’re gonna have an issue.", "Certainly not because of some dude losing his videos about anime, lol", "no since they adapt what hes talking about", "are you 12 or something? calm down and once again your statements are just plain bad takes", "I am not a lawyer but I have the hardest time imaginable believing that fair use only covers negative criticisms and you're stance is somehow weakened if you're *too positive* about the material.", "> Why is that so difficult to accept?\n\nBecause people here (or anywhere, really) don't have to accept anything.\n\nAlso, because it's a shit take based on fact that YouTube, which allowed you to be content creator in the first place - which you still refusing to accept btw - is somehow obligated to not only do whatever it already does for you as content creator for no real fees, but also arbitrarily ignore law (including foreign and international law) and fight your legal battles when it inevitably bites you in the ass.\n\nThat's what people usually call \"entitlement\", or, well, \"greed\". And it is usually frowned upon.\n\nWhich is why this can't be accepted as anything other than entitled whining. You as content creator free to f off to Patreon or Vimeo or whatever platform you feel would \"respect\", \"value\" or whatever your \"rights\" to be a content creator\n\nAlso, lol, some random ass dude getting copyright strikes and videos taken down doesn't mean that world somehow becomes worse", "That is true.", "> Thousands of copyright claims are slung at creators every day, the majority of them being false.\n\n[Apparently only ~1% of them are invalid](https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/6/22820318/youtube-copyright-claims-transparency-report)", "I guess that makes it ok to release my own marvel movies because, you know, i made the costumes myself therefore im not stealing. /s", "Well, there's nothing stopping Toei from issuing regular DMCA instead of going for negotiations with Google", "fanfilms do exist", "Japan is a country of extremes ain’t it", "they can be shut down in an instant too if the owner desires it. Just because others do it doesnt give you a right to steal ip", "> he gets more people into the shows than not\n\nThat doesn't matter at all. It's not his place or his call to do that.", ">spider-face\n\nWho?", "its stupid to refuse that", "nah mass disagree, his videos are an art form and need both besides he mostly uses and reviews manga anyways which toei dont own", "\"\"Courts typically focus on whether the use of copyright-protected material is “transformative.” This means whether the use adds new expression or meaning to the original material, or whether it merely copies from\" mark adds new meaning with his analysis in each video", "nah his analysis were his videos not toeis content especially considering he talks about the manga which toei dont own", "When you don't convict anyone for murder, your murder rate will be permanently low.", "Courts typically focus on whether the use of copyright-protected material is “transformative.” This means whether the use adds new expression or meaning to the original material, or whether it merely copies from the original. \nhe transformed and brought new meaning with his analysis in every video", "inaccurate", "you mean off his own hard work of writing analysis week after week", "writing is a real job though", "I'm afraid the mob won't convict itself of a murder when it inevitably causes one", "Courts typically focus on whether the use of copyright-protected material is “transformative.” This means whether the use adds new expression or meaning to the original material, or whether it merely copies from the original.\n\n \nhe adds new meaning with his analysis and the clips help provide context which is allowed since he very rarely shows clips unedited", "\\#canceltoeianimation", "To the seas", "What I wanted to say was that Youtube doesn't have resources to deal with every single DMCA request.", "Johnny Kitagawa died a couple years ago and as a result the anime Kodomo no Omocha is officially available again in the US with the opening theme and insert music intact. That's how much power he had over the entertainment industry at large in Japan. The biggest irony of all was that he was born in Los Angeles, and grew up in Japan.", "I didn't realize he passed, that makes a ton of sense then why things started opening up... \n\nOh man I forgot about Kodomo no Omocha, but I'm super happy you reminded me. I specifically remember the songs. Thanks.", "They experienced a brief resurgence under Kaz Hirai who was - guess what? - just fresh out of SCEE and the youngest CEO they'd had in ages. \n\nHe was the guy who broke down a lot of the walls of the city-states, and you started seeing more cross-pollination of technology (like Triluminos LCDs popping up in VAIOs, for one things).", "Since the original video was deleted, I'll explain the content of the drawing video.\n\nIn the videos he and 2 other of his friends re-draw badly drawn key frames from Dragon Ball Super (which was infamous early on for having bad animation when it first came out).\n\nIn the background you can see him (or his friends) re-drawing the key frame to look more like the art style of Dragon Ball Z. But the main focus of the video is to explain how the process of animation works, why early on the series had bad animation, why throwing money at the problem wasn't an actual viable solution and why the actual problem was the time constraint given to the animators.\n\nSo it wasn't a simple \"drawing a Nike logo\" and then monetizing it like the example you gave.\n\nAnother example of his video (not a drawing video) was when he analyze the character of Goku. In the video he talked about a poll he held about which character people like more (Goku vs Vegeta) with Vegeta winning and most of his fans explaining that because you saw Vegeta changed in the series while Goku remained the same.\n\nThe video then goes on about the concept of static and dynamic characters, with the main focus being on Goku (static) and how even though he stays the same in the story, his character has been challenged by the series numerous times and ends the video with correcting his fans about Goku being a bad character because he isn't a dynamic character and how static character works in other series.\n\nI haven't watched every single video of his so maybe some of them may not actually be fair use but I can at least be confident that videos of his that I have watched (mostly the deleted ones) fall into fair use, though my knowledge of fair use isn't actually that broad so my idea of fair use may not actually be what the actual definition of fair use is.", "Bro, I feel like your promoting Nebula at this point. This is like the third time you said \"But it is worth it\"", "Are you his girlfriend or something? You’ve been arguing with anyone who doesn’t defend him.", "I'd argue the guy would have an easier time going straight to a lawyer and fight 154 DMCA takedowns in bulk than having to counter claim one video at a time.", "Fuck Japanese copyright law.", "They don't need them.\n\nI'm not saying they can't automate ANYTHING.\n\nThey could have a page where you submit a DMCA request, and a link to the video that is in violation, and have the channel targeted respond in kind in an automated fashion. No manual intervention required on Youtube's part.\n\nThe bit they should NOT be doing, and are not required by law to do, is providing the copyright creators a means to automatically identify every infringing video on the site, many of which end up being false positives, and it being a system ripe for abuse as well.", "It was a video platform that aimed to offer better/friendlier monetisation to creators.\n\nThe big feature was that while videos were free to watch, users could pay for \"Early access\" to watch a video 72 hours before the public. This revenue would be shared with the creators.\n\nThis is basically what a lot of creators do today, but they use Patreon to point to hidden videos instead, this gives them a bit more control over the release cadence and gives them a bigger slice of the pie to boot.", "Sure why not", "Wouldn't be surprised if there are backroom deals with those specific sites and perhaps even a business deal worked out.", "That is your opinion, you might be right, but this is highly subjective. \n\nResident evil movies were a success economically, it expanded outside the gamer fanbase successfully. Remember that was 2002 and 2004 (first 2 movies) and gaming was a niche that still got tons of ridicule from the mainstream. Just compare that to the mortal combat or alone in the dark movies... \n\nI thought that at least the first 2 movies were ok if not good. Ah and silent hill was also ok, weird, but ok. But again that is highly subjective", "I saw a video from another channel that says he makes his own drawings. If the drawings are in the same style as the original I still cannot change my opinion.\n\n...even the the drawing are in a different style I remain in the fence... What you call analyses I call retelling the story, denying the viewer a fresh read and limiting the viewer interpretation. \n\nOf course I might be wrong, I'm not at the least interest in this YT channel, my understanding of the situation is limited.", "Lmao holy shit dude is something going on you need to talk about?", "I never said it was...?", "Odysee is the way to go \nhttps://odysee.com/$/invite/6Ac8ttKMEn1Airp7gL6QvZpi2tcV9DCX", "Yes. People are morons these days, that expect corporations to just waste money trying to pay off their success. \n\nEspecially in legal matters, where people somehow expect to dump few billions to circumvent some laws, ignoring that maybe there is another party, with equally deep pockets, that isn't interested to being outbought on issue that people like you complain about\n\nIt gets annoying after a while, you know?\n\nBut I guess I'll have to accept that people unconditionally hate YouTube and other orgs, and endlessly complain to vent out all that pent up hate", "I don't understand how any of this is surprising.", "What the court thinks only matters if he can actually go to court and take the company on, which he can't and even then there's no real guarantee the court would side with him. \n\nWorking with media that isn't yours is always a PITA which is why every other professional media that does it has a team of lawyers working on pre approving stuff so that it doesn't even reach courts.", "YouTube is persistently idiotic in not simply assigning one employee to instantly fix and prevent these kind of abominations.", "They were actually run by Videopro; they just got the contract to run a Sony store. We could sell literally anything else VP sold...and often did.\n\nFor example, since we couldn't sell Sony SS-AR speakers, we sold them Bowers & Wilkins instead.", "I kind of want to set up a law practice that does nothing but rapidly sue the parties like TOEI who instigate these malicious claims. \n\nHit with a nuisance claim? Immediately serve them with a day zero civil claim for the estimated lifetime income of the channel they're attacking. Receiving notice of a multimillion dollar claim because of a frivolous and valueless act they initiated would throw cold water on this technique. Name Alphabet as a co-defendant and watch the mindless algorithmic content ID process get manually bypassed in a hot second, with videos reinstated.", "You're absolutely right. Their TVs are fantastic. I still maintain they're the best LCD TVs out there, certainly way better than Samsung's offerings. When I moved onto a brand-agnostic electrics store, the only movie we were allowed to demo on Samsung TVs was Avatar. Why? Because Sammies sucked at making any colour that wasn't blue look good. I'm not joking. \n\nTriluminos was fantastic, and the W900 series were the best 1080p LCDs ever made. 200hz native panel. Interface that doesn't suck. Worked equally as well its basic remotes as well as the fancy smart remotes. \n\nAbsolutely gorgeous colour - the only things that beat it were the Panasonic V60 plasmas - the V60s inherited Pioneer's legendary Kuro tech (the Kuro TVs have a cult following). \n\n> Similar for their smartphones, though I don’t have one of those. They ship with a very lightly customized Android instead of crap like touchwiz and they don’t push you to use Sony ecosystem everything nearly as badly as Samsung stuff does.\n\nOh, a-freakin'-men. \n\nSony Irish-goodbyed the Aussie smartphone market in 2019. They literally didn't tell anyone. One of the phone reviewers for a newspaper noticed the new line of phones that were dropping all over the world, and noticed that it was well past the time that Sony normally sends him a press release. He rang Sony up, and some random rep just said \"Oh, yeah, we're not selling Xperias in Australia any more.\" No announcement, not warning. Just didn't replace the XZ series in Australia.\n\nAnd I'm pissed, because they were my go-to phones, for exactly why you said. They weren't raw Android, but they were close. They were lightweight and fast because of it. \n\nThey often had the same specs as Samsung flagships, but for a couple of hundred less. And better industrial design, IMHO. They were the first to make IP68 resistance mainstream, in a non-\"tough\" phone. \n\nAfter the demise of LG, I got a Galaxy S20 - because it was severely discounted - and jesus, you're right. The amount of crap on it. \n\nI've taken to thinking of it as \"Crapple\", because Sammy are so desperately trying to be like Apple and offer a whole \"ecosystem\", except without the commitment because they're still just Android. Like, why the fuck would I want to stick new contacts in my Samsung account, instead of my Google Account? Pretty bold assuming my next phone's gonna be another Sammy.", "He was a huge asshole to me when he was looking for a video editor.", "All you’re doing is copying and pasting the same comment with half a quote about copyright law. And it’s not even from the correct region. Japan legal definition of copyright ≠ western definition. We already got our answer to how Japanese companies view media as “altered” back in the glory days of AMVs and big 3 reactions about a decade ago. Simply switching out audio with voice or music while the footage from the anime remains untouched will not fly for Japanese publishing and animation companies. Not saying I agree with that. It’s just how it is.", "Just to give you an idea of how fair use is essentially non existent in Japan: https://www.softic.or.jp/en/articles/fordham_sugiyama.html. Just because he’s not a Japanese citizen doesn’t mean that Japan’s courts can’t go after him. The moment you start touching anime or manga published and released in Japan you basically surrender yourself to possible accusations and convictions from Japanese courts.", "Content creators rights? Fuck off you corporate shill. Fair use absolutely deserves protection and to downplay it means you don’t actually care about content creators because you’re picking and choosing who counts as a “legitimate” content creator. \n\nBetter sue Disney for transforming a Shakespeare play into what is known as the Lion King. Oh wait, actual creatives borrow and transform ideas all the time. It’s the corporate suits and their boot lockers that flip their shit over something that ultimately benefits them because they have a short sighted view obsessed with money and no respect for actual creativity and innovation. Not to mention getting uppity about reviews (that don’t even cover all the material, just stuff he finds interesting) that aren’t a substitute for consuming the media, I would know, I read the whole series of OP beforehand. \n\nIf Toei could get away with running OP filler for another 20 years they’d do it because they don’t give a shit about the IP, they like the money it generates. \n\nCorporate shill shitting on legal work to suck up to multimillionaires that benefited from the persons work. Pathetic.", "Since Toei never goes to court when he challenges their strikes I’d say they’re actually completely full of shit and are just harassing a content creator. \n\nYou talk so much but clearly know so little about this situation. Typical.", "You’re releasing another LOTR movie. Not a review you fucking dense dipshit. Those two things are so blatantly different it’s insane you’d try to equate them.", "Is that why Toei backs off when it comes time to either go to court or drop it?\n\nYou have no fucking clue how this situation is playing out yet smugly sucking that corporate dick.", "If it was illegal Toei would actually go to court when mark challenges the strikes. So far they drop it after the two 30 day waiting periods. It’s such blatant harassment that you’d have to be deliberately avoiding this information at this point.", "Corporate shills shill for corporations. They don’t care that Toei refuses to go to court because they know it’s bullshit. Some people just love the taste of corporate boot.", "One of. Based on the fact Toei refuses to go to court when the strikes get challenged I doubt they actually have a case.", "You only skimmed yet you can say they aren’t reviews? Fuck yourself.", "Your example isn’t relevant to this scenario.", "Then they weren’t going to be a customer to begin with if they care so little that they’d consume it in such a limiting way.", "I'm trying very hard to not pirate stuffs anymore but these companies are reaaaaally making piracy as a morally correct action to take based on how they treat their fanbase.", "Gaben of Steam gave advice on how to fight piracy; \"Do better than what those pirates offer\" or something along that line. Game companies place DRM, always online requirements and many other anti piracy measures on their game that tank performance, requires an internet connection to play or having to use their shitty launcher. Meanwhile, pirated games were free from those anti piracy measures and you get better experience than those paying gamers. Which made piracy sounds morally correct. I don't condone piracy though.\n\nIf these anime companies want to fight piracy, then do better than them. Make it available on all streaming platform. Sell the physical media outside Japan. AND HIRE THOSE PASSIONED FANSUBBER INSTEAD OF THEIR IN HOUSE SHITTY SUBTITLER.", "If you watched his videos you’d know he frequently talks about panel organization and how it impacts the flow of the imagery. He also had a few vids taken down where he explicitly focuses on the art of the media he’s criticizing.", "Toei refuses to go to court though. They string him along for both 30 day wait periods when he challenges the strikes then they drop it. Because they don’t actually have a case.", "The Japanese said the Yamato was unsinkable too.", "At least you’re punching up.", "I love how you corporate shills latch onto what you think the weakest argument is ignoring everything else this person says.", "what exactly did he say", "Another person that doesn’t know shit about what’s happened. Watch the fucking video, after the two 30 day wait periods after challenging the claims Toei drops it and refuses to actually go to court. Because they don’t have shit and they fucking know it.", "Man if Japan markets their anime like Hollywood they would've become the world superpower by now.", "Classic corporate sucker. You know Toei refuses to go to court when mark challenges their strikes right? Not to mention you have such a myopic understanding of fair use that you don’t think reviews count and further think reuploading something with no analysis is in any way comparable to what he did. \n\nYou sound like a toxic stain, shitting on other’s livelihoods because they make money on YouTube. Actually fucking pathetic.", "If they lied then it’s the source they shared that lied. So it’s probably just you lying based on your hate boner for these kind of you tubers. You’ve been all over this thread being a toxic shitter.", "You corporate dickriders are obnoxiously sycophantic.", ">A mega corporation says you're stealing their content, and youtube will not fight them\n\nYoutube is an even mega of a company than toei and yet they bow down to them instead of protecting their creators smh", "Yeah it definitely didn’t sink it but that point about missing the younger audiences partially because of that move is valid. Kids are watching tons of let’s plays so keeping your games out of that space keeps them away from that audience.", "Isn't it true that in Japan the prosecution wins close to 100% of the time anyway? Like if you're charged with ANYTHING, there's a 99.9% chance you're found guilty... There's really no benefit of the doubt, you're just going through the motions to see how severe the penalty will be.", "More of you not understanding the rules. The strike comes when the second 30 day waiting period appeal is rejected. Not the first 30 day period. \n\nJfc you literally linked the info but are too stupid to read.", "It’s pretty clear you didn’t watch any of his content. Maybe don’t summarize things you don’t understand.", "Here’s YouTube’s official stance on the issue:\n\n> No. YouTube isn’t able to mediate rights ownership disputes. When we receive a complete and valid takedown notice, we remove the content as the law requires. When we receive a valid counter notification, we forward it to the person who requested the removal. After this, it’s up to the parties involved to resolve the issue in court.\n\nThey can’t do much to stop abuse, that is decided in a court", "Fanfilms, parodies, etc that have to do with a source material can be deemed as copyright infringement and are not protected under fair use", "Then why does Toei drop the charge once court becomes the next option? Surely if they thought it was infringement they’d take him to task.", "Any amount of copyrighted content is still a copyright infringement. “I only used a few seconds” is a terrible excuse that won’t hold up at all in court", "He then went back on this statement going along the lines of saying \"They are infringing on the work of others like myself who take great pride in voicing Goku\"", "I’m comparing the ability to use small clips to critique and review to S&E, not the corporate backing or other method of acquisition. Now where I fully agree with you is the extended clips piece. If he’s simply talking over extended clips, then transformative would be questionable. That being said, I’m not an IP lawyer, so have an upvote.", "Good call on the licensing bit. I imagine this guy going on about how his career/earnings are in jeopardy doesn’t help his case with corners he cut.", "Because international court cases are a fucking nightmare, and often it's fastest/cheapest/easiest to scare people into getting the picture. If you really push them though, I have no doubt they would respond legally, it's just a last option because it's very expensive in several ways.", "The only part of the process enshrined by law is the shit they aren’t doing. DMCA takedowns require legal proceedings so they abuse a system (YouTubes contentID policy) where they get to choose if it’s a violation with no neutral arbitration. You’re taking their side when it’s clear they not only have all the power but have a negative incentive when it comes to arbitrating this neutrally. \n\nIt’s not even the first time people have pointed out how abusive the YouTube content ID system is. I forget the movie but they lifted footage from someone’s YouTube channel and then the original video got hit with a content ID strike.", "I'm not saying the system is perfect, far from it. But it's pretty clear to me the OP is way out of their depth when they bring up stuff like \"The colbert show shows stuff from other media!\" having zero idea that of course that's all licensed. Not to mention running a 'review/analysis' channel where they show loads of the source material, there's a reason no film reviewers will even approach that.\n\nAll I'm trying to get at is fair use is way more narrow and difficult a legal definition to meet than 99% of this thread imply. And that the OP is almost certainly not going to have a good trying to use it as a defense if they ever did go to court.", "This is how I talk you condescending loser. Sycophant is a perfect word for corporate simps. \n\nAccording to the [Berne Convention](https://www.bradley.com/insights/publications/2012/03/international-copyright-protection-how-does-it-w__), of which both the US and Japan are members:\n\n>\tHowever, if an act of infringement occurs in a foreign country, then the infringement lawsuit must be brought in the courts of the foreign country, and will be prosecuted under the terms of the foreign jurisdiction’s copyright law\n\nSo it would be in US jurisdiction with US fair use law applying. \n\nNot to mention they never take it to legal proceedings anyway. They just abuse the YouTube content ID policy which explicitly avoids neutral arbitration.", "Review is inarguably covered by fair use and talking over disjointed, partial clips of scenes doesn’t void that, especially considering there’s rarely audio with him talking over anything he shows and even cases where he exclusively used manga pages (not owned by Toei, they just animate) the videos still got claimed. \n\nThe Colbert thing is more of a case of smaller guys getting shut out as they don’t have the cash or influence to throw around so I agree it’s a bit weak how it was presented.", "I did watch the video of the whiny bitch who got copyrighted by the people with the actual copyright of the material in question. \n\nHe isn’t the first and he won’t be the last. \n\nThey don’t need to go to court so why should they? That’s more on YouTube than Toei. It’s still well within their right especially their own laws to claim. \n\nThis issue has always and will always be because of YouTube. They let companies copyright strike because they don’t want to get sued and fucked in the ass by these companies that have their content stolen and monetized by random people. \n\nFair use is NOT cut and dry. Copyright laws are incredibly outdated. It’s been a decade long stalemate and neither fair use or the companies wanting to go to court over it because one side is going to get fucked. \n\nThere’s a reason why Twitch and YouTube warn everyone not to do the kind of shit he does and why “fair use” will only get you so far when the actual company tells YouTube to shut it down. \n\nThis is the risk you take trying to make a living having to do with someone else’s work. \n\nYouTube and Twitch have to roll over because if they don’t they’ll get taken down.\n\nI don’t mind a proper argument about fair use but fair use starts to become very risky when you start monetizing videos with copyrighted content unless you have permission. \n\nFor some reason people assume because there’s so many people out there that do reviews or play games and post it that it’s all fair use and fine to do. The truth is any company can strike anyone that does that kind of shit and they always have been able to. \n\nNintendo is famous for being annoying as fuck about streaming their stuff and use to have rules I’m place where you could only monetize and do Nintendo games if your channel only had Nintendo shit.", "Doesn't matter, even if he bought it. He absolute has no right to use it. Almost ever Anime fan I've met in the states is a fuckin pirate, and it infuriates me to no end.", "And if YouTube gives that as their response to the lawsuit, they instantly lose. Does YouTube have the money to fulfill the judgement? Yes, they do.", "I figured someone that feels threatened by big words would also be intimidated by more than three sentences. Oh well, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make it think.", "I’ve addressed people saying this a million times in this tread already. You can’t just draw someone’s IP for personal profits.\n\nDo you think it would be okay if I drew Goku and voice acted for him and made an entire show for profit based on the redrawing I did?\n\nIt’s different than a kid drawing goku for his own amusement, he’s drawing other copyrighted characters and monitising it. You can’t just draw the bike logo yourself and then whack it on whatever you want because you redrew it yourself.\n\nI’ve also already pointed out numerous instances of his current remaining videos breaching copyright. Just because he sometimes talks about the drawing doesn’t mean 100% of all his videos fall under fair use.", "Everyone just expresses their feelings and ignores the solution, any Citizen can sue in the federal court of their choosing: https://content.next.westlaw.com/6-632-8692", "They don’t have the right to fulfil that judgment. Under the Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act (OCILLA), if they receive a valid takedown notice they must remove or restrict access to the content immediately.", "\n>if they receive a valid takedown\n\nSee the problem?\n\nAnd it doesn't matter. The lawsuit isn't to debate copyright. It's because of their action to illegitimate deprive the channel holder of income, and their illegitimate interference in timely remedy.", "Valid as in it contains all the details required under the OCILLA guidelines.\n\nJudgement over the case is done in court and court only", ">All western animation companies were bros.\n\neven Disney?", "Yes, in your backwards world.", "It’s the law", "It's actually not. It's strawmanning.", "Yeah, well I can't drink a coca-cola commercial.", "If by creators you mean toei being screwed by people using their content without permission then I agree", "He’s a troll not willing to engage with sources proving him wrong. I don’t need to show anything.", "You are scum. In everyway you are scum.", "And you’re nothing, a worthless human that follows the blind like a piece of shit on the bottom of a shoe", "I never said you where wrong. You're right, there's more going on here and people should look beyond one side of the argument.\n\nBut somehow you manage to both be right and be a complete fuckwit at the same time. Good job. 👏👏👏☺️ Bitch.\n\nYou're obviously bored, mad and looking to vent by being an asshole. Or maybe you are just this much of a prick in real life. Either way this attitude never opens up any doors.\n\nStay mad 🤡🤡🤡", "I’m not mad you’re the bitch coming into a topic late like I give a fuck about what you have to say significantly after the fact. /blocked", "The legal jurisdiction mark lives in and YouTube operates from has fair use provisions with explicit references to “review and critique” being a valid defense. \n\nThe only reason it’s even playing out this way is YouTube created a buffer (Content ID) to avoid having to actually file DMCA claims that absolves them of any real responsibility, avoids any actual legal system, and gives the power of judging each claim to the claimant themselves creating an incentive issue where being unfair benefits them as there are no consequences for abusing the system. \n\nBesides, Toei isn’t getting screwed in any capacity. Them reaching out in the past to Mark looking for him to promote an event of theirs shows that his influence is beneficial to them and that they as a company are aware of this. Not to mention the numerous people in this thread pointing out how creators like Mark introduced them to the content they now financially support.", "[This video](https://youtu.be/gnPKmRXnQn0) makes a far better case than I can for why the videos are far more likely to fall under fair use than you’ve been willing to consider. It also points out that what has been done has no basis in actual relevant copyright law as it was done exclusively through YouTubes Content ID system which is set up in a way where one side has the sole power of arbiter in the dispute with no possibility of third party review until two and a half months after the claim was filed and it’s only the start of court proceedings with a verdict many months away minimum.\n\nNot to mention Toei doesn’t own manga imagery yet they claimed videos that used no anime footage of any kind. After all they claimed 155 videos in a single night, clearly they didn’t actually care to watch the content they were claiming because they know there’s no repercussions for being wrong.", "yeah I agree", "well time to get a real job", "yeah", "Cringe", "yeah he did lmao", "What does Japanese Copyright law have to do with someone operating in the US and EU? Oh right, nothing.", "To be completely fair to him, Sean doesn't do much outside of Dragonball.\n\nHe has openly said that being Goku is his number 1 priority as a VA. Everything else is a fun side project to him.\n\nAnd based on how Toei has acted in the past regarding TFS, coupled with the fact that he got asked about it all the time at conventions; he has to make it clear.\n\nIn absolutely no world does he have bargaining power. If Toei told Funimation to fire him, they'd fire him. In an instant he would lose being the main character in the 15th most popular IP in the world.\n\nIf I was him, I'd probably act the same way.", "more info on this? 👀", "just some Dipshit crying over stolen property", "lmao", "> Honestly Toei seems like such a petty company, I would only be mildly surprised if they cut off Funimation entirely over something entirely inconsequential.\n\nWouldn't surprise me, considering Studio Kara did that to Funimation with the Evangelion Rebuilds because a scene from \"Evangelion 3.33 You Can (Not) Redo\" that was shown off at a convention, the audience didn't react to the scene in a way that Kara liked, so the reps from Kara that were in the audience made a call and Kara forced Funi to redub the entire film, delaying it's release by a year, then when the fourth and final film came out, they gave the rebuild rights to Amazon, and they recast most of the cast save for two characters, and redubbed every film, as a result the dubs sound generally awful with stilted, literal translated dialogue, the fourths dub is alright, but the first three films are bad. Kara is just as petty as Toei, lost a lot of respect for the company too.", "tldr: \n\nGuy mad he can't watch guy make money fantasizing about waifus", "Toei don't own the characters, just the animated cartoons do they not? So if anyone is to bitch about selling fan art it's not them is it not?", "They didn't even review what they claimed. They just saw the name of the anime that they don't own but just animate and decided to claim it which is how they ended up taking the videos he (the YouTuber) animated from scratch.", "They don't own the story they just own the animated clips he used.", "So Funimation was being smart and utilizing great voice actors but toei threw a bitch fit", "If they cut off Funimation doesn’t that kinda hurt their profits from western audiences?", "I thought it was because of net code issues but this is worse", "That’s what i originally heard", "They indeed would. But old Japanese people probably run the company and they're super traditional to the point of being immensely irrational and impractical. I'm sure they'd find some way to rationalize the decision through some weird culture thing that only old, traditional Japanese people care about", "Toei really acts like a circus rn", "I love how German bureaucracy is basically kicking Japanese bureaucracy‘s ass rn by being better and that has to mean something because pur bureau sh*t is terrible", "A singular, non taken down video represents that video, not the whole channel. You can’t use a sample size of 1 to confirm that 150 videos fall under fair use.", "Doesn't this guy sell merchandise with DragonBall characters on them? That's probably one big reason they've gone after him.", "Wow….Thank you, now I have another feather in my cap for when libertarians claim companies are more efficient than governments….", "Yeah, I kept appealing and then YouTube said the case is final unless you email them something in writing saying you have the right to upload the content. I did and never got sued. It is a lot of work though so you can’t do it often.", "I don’t see any evidence that a majority of Americans like that sort of content. America is obviously much more religious than Europe which influences their views on what content is acceptable. I’m not sure you can find polling on this specifically but to give you and idea, 51% of Americans still say changing one’s gender is morally unacceptable. \n\nhttps://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/557952-51-percent-say-changing-gender-is-morally-wrong-gallup?amp\n\n57% say porn is morally wrong. (Although some of that could be feminists)\n\nI don’t think it’s a stretch to say most Americans don’t consume content with a lot of nudity or profanity, or if they do it’s on a rare occasion.\n\nStreaming and paid networks found a niche in the market. I’m not saying there isn’t a significant amount of interest in this type of content of course. There’s no evidence to show these shows are more popular overall though.", "maybe they simply prefer the whole thing to be shown in its glory so that people don't think they make shitty quality anime with piano noise for background music? other than that i've no idea? i mean i'm guessing if they like the fan content they're less likely to take issue with it? especially if it \"miss-represents\" the actual quality of their product.. \n\nbut really, who the fuck knows.", "Well if you say that you're only pointing out that when companies aren't efficient they can't survive so only efficient companies are left while the government can do something really poorly but since they are the government it just keeps running inefficiently since they don't have to be efficient to survive. You'll only empower their argument with that.", "That's fine. I've been saying for almost a decade that YouTube is shit and should be replaced with a better video hosting service and I'll keep saying it. Doesn't matter if a bot could post it, as long as YouTube continues to be shit I'll continue to say this.", "No, actually I'm not saying that at all.", "Microsoft is surviving just fine it seems like to me, despite the inefficiency.", "The branch of Microsoft that ran an inefficient product could not survive which is entirely the point. Microsoft is surviving just fine, off of the products they created that aren't inefficient while they are forced to discontinue inefficient products because of the free market. The government can continue to do things inefficiently and there is no where near as much incentive for them to change.", "You say that like it’s a good thing, yet what would you say if a government started making cars that no one wanted and lost as much money as Mixer did (and the government shut it down due to public backlash)? What would you say about such a government? Would you make excuses for it like you do Microsoft?", "I would say good. If the government makes cars that nobody will buy I want them to realize nobody wants them and stop making them. The goverwnt is tax payer funded and to waste money on something that clearly does not work isn't okay and we should be putting the money toward things that can change people's lives for the better instead of wasting people's money on cars no one wants. When have I made any excuses? I think it's great that Microsoft has to shut down Mixer because it's failing, that's exactly how it's supposed to work.", "I said you were making excuses because you’re spinning Mixer’s failure as a good thing when it was obviously a bad business decision, just as any government would take a political hit for a failed public venture. Also just because Mixer was shut down doesn’t mean every bad move is shut down. Are you familiar with Bullshit Jobs?", ">I said you were making excuses because you’re spinning Mixer’s failure as a good thing when it was obviously a bad business decision\n\nI don't see any excuse there, and I still maintain its very good that failed business ventures fail and can't continue siphoning taxpayer money since they aren't taxpayer funded. I'm not saying the bad business decision is good, I'm saying the fact that making bad business decisions causes the business to fail is good. Idk how you came to the conclusion you did. \n\n>just as any government would take a political hit for a failed public venture.\n\nThere are so many examples of private industry doing things much faster, better, and cheaper than the US gov which is what I'm talking about here. \n\n>Also just because Mixer was shut down doesn’t mean every bad move is shut down. Are you familiar with Bullshit Jobs?\n\nOne bad move isn't a failure. Failure is when the business can't support itself. A business typically has no choice but to shut down and any investment they might get to avoid that would be from a willing third party who gets something in return.\n\nBut again the problem is that the government can just continue to collect taxpayer money to fund inefficient and ineffective projects/branches/etc. Doesn't always happen, but it does happen often and the government continues to lose money while no one holds them accountable.\n\nIm not sure why you keep trying to take it in a different direction or interpret things I'm definitely not saying, there are no hidden messages here.", "I agree that our initial exchange wasn’t as comprehensive as it could have been. Let me try to simplify.\n\nThere are also many examples of the public sector doing things much faster, better, and cheaper than private industry, including whole industries the private sectors can’t enter or would struggle to enter at all. I’m not even arguing that government doing things is better on the whole, just that doesn’t it seem like the defining factor for success is not whether it’s private or public but whether or not it’s well run?\n\nIf bad business decisions don’t always cause a business to fail, and bad public sector decisions can and do cause failure, what evidence is there that the private sector is a better mechanism to achieve efficiency than the public sector? Both have checks and balances and failure mechanisms for bad decisions.", "Watch anime and manga for free, \nupload anime and manga for free, \nand get paid for it.\nIt's so coooool.", "what happened with Evangelion 3.0?", "Did Mark have any contact/connection with Funimation? Because I am honestly wondering if something happened or was found recently that led to them going crazy on any youtubers with a connection to that company and/or fan dubbing/subbing groups. I mean, TFS switched to the ShortZ format pretty quickly after it was mentioned on a live stream by a certain lawyer that TFS was paying Funimation to keep Toei off their backs (Takahata101 only responded this year, in a response to a YT comment on a video and was the only one to do so AFAIK).\n\n&#x200B;\n\nIF Mark did (along with other targeted channels), Toei may have found out-I mean, Toei already hates Funimation because of the kickvic stuff, the Chris Sabat political ad/gay-implied-pedo audio leak and the way they reacted when Toei chose Johnny Yong-Bosch to be Broly (immediately trying to cancel him, but failing).", "Funimation did the dub for it, showed it off at a convention, Khara saw it and apparently wasn't happy with it for what was meant to be how they treated the scenes with Shinji and Kaworu, so they redid it. \n\nDon't know whether that played a part with the Amazon release re-dub which was a complete replacement of what had been done for the first three.", "YouTube is an American company", "They could do literally anything other than completely ignore appeals and they won't be in the same boat as YouTube. The whole problem is that YouTube doesn't give a fuck", "I'm literally telling you that I'm saying YouTube ignoring creator appeals is what I consider the problem to be.\n\nNow how does looking at appeals to copyright strikes becoming ignoring copyright laws?" ]	1,741	videos	Over 150 Videos Gone - My Response to Toei Animation & YouTube (Totally Not Mark)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn-qFt0ZZaE	/r/videos/comments/rb6y4a/this_has_to_be_the_prank_of_the_year_hands_down/	[ "I think this guy is the voice of Nelk's Happy Dad's ads.", "Fuck pranks", "This is not a prank at all actually. This is a cinematic live Comedy." ]	3	videos	This has to be the Prank of the year hands down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaeqXWzaizY&ab_channel=TotallyNotMark	/r/videos/comments/rb7154/toei_nuked_150_videos_3_years_of_work_from_this/	[ "Companies do abuse this stuff. I've seen a Jackass trailer reaction from the Office Bloke React and they got copyright strike even though fair use was implemented and even though a lot of reaction channel reacted to that particular trailer", "this is truly awful! I hope to god this blows up in Toei face.", "Which type were they? Was it transformative or just him sitting and watching content made by others? Every single reaction video can be taken down if they are not transformative; it has to have commentary, analysis etc. Just watching them is not enough. Then there is another point to be made, in defense of content owners: \n\n\nIf the reaction video is made so that there is no need to watch the original.. the original content creator owned the copyright then, it is NOT fair use. Many, maybe most of the reaction channels are against fair use but there are also a lot that aren't. It is all subjective interpretation. \n\n\nNow, youtubes system is broken when it comes to actually handling disputes. It gives automatically the party that starts the dispute all the rights and removes them from the channel in question. That is wrong but fair use.. is quite often cited wrongly, it has to be transformative, it has to change the content to be something else. Analysis is one way to make reaction videos.. And note: i like reaction videos, but i can't lie when it comes to the fact that many of them break the fair use doctrine, quite blatantly.", "Fair use.. does not cover just reaction videos. It has to be transformative, changing it, adding to it, using it as part of a whole.. it can't be the whole. Analysis is fair use, and that is something that many, i would say the better reaction channels genuinely do. But there are many that just watch something and make few comments like \"that is awesome\". That is not transformative. But if the clip being reacted to spawns commentary that tries to analyze it, like comparing historical events to current event, talking about philosophical aspects of it... then it is fair use.\n\nAll reaction videos where there is nothing but reaction, we are just watching someone watching something are against fair use. So are most that don't really comment but just tells us what is happening on the screen. Those can be, and should be taken down or at least demonetized. And i actually like reaction videos... specially if the person is as far removed from me culturally. I think that has a strong positive effect on everyone, and those should maybe deserve a whole another exception, or adding cultural exchange aspect to the fair use.", "Geez...\n\nLarge corporations tend to be evil monsters. Some more than others. Google is nowadays in the more section.", "So you’re telling me if I just reupload a super famous video and write “this video is published under fair use” that doesn’t count as fair use? /s", "Heh, yeah.. It is fairly abused rule alright.", "I get you. But it's Jackass, it's really not transformative, there's nothing nuance about it, you can't analyze it the same way you can analyze history, culture or other topics also it's a trailer, 2 to 3 minutes of movie trailer. \n\nAll I'm trying to point out is other YouTube reaction get away with it, there are a lot of other Jackass trailer reaction that didn't get copyright strike. \n\nThey need to be consistent if they are going to implement that, then the copyright strike should apply to everyone who reacted to the Jackass trailer.", "Youtube does only automatic content ID matching, to inform the uploader so they can make edits to remove it. You can do that before the video becomes visible, just upload and trigger the content ID matching process. \n\n\nOther than that, it is the copyright owner who has to search for their content and in the Jackass case, they did not bother to search long enough or deep enough. \n\n\nThere are some legislation in EU that could change things, they may require youtube to be responsible for any content for real, forcing them to check all uploaded videos.. Who knows, the law is not very good at the moment but i get the idea and that is not so easily dismissible, as it does aim to protect people who actually create content but it has serious flaws that support largest content creators in all media, but i digress." ]	9	videos	Toei nuked 150+ videos (~3 years of work) from this Youtube's copyright ID that were fair use from TotallyNotMark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWlUtD8B9NU	/r/videos/comments/rb8inw/the_way_the_wonder_years_takes_the_tone_of_an/	[ "Best show of the 90’s", "God damn what a show that was. \n\nSo surreal to watch it now at 40 years of age with a partner and child of my own and see life so differently. \n\nThat show sure taught me a lot but I never felt like I was learning something from it.", "Like the last lines of the narrarator in the finale.", "Incredible TV series. Was a huge part of my youth growing up. Another show right up there was Degrassi Junior High and Degrassi High. There's nothing quite like any of it these days", "phenomenal acting?", "did the kid ever have sex with winnie?", "As in the TV show? They both lost their virginity to each other in the finale.", "I love this show 😀", "It was an eighties show.", "One of my favorite shows of all time.", "Is this where we learned to pretend things didn't happen, sweep relationship issues under the rug between blowups, never address the problems?\n\n\"Oh, it's ok. We kissed so the problems vanished!\"", "But did Fred Savage and Danica McKellar lose their virginity to each other in real life?", "Incredible show", "Back when they didn't slap a bug in the corner of the entire show as they later did here.", "The episodes where he would yell at her would make me cry. Man that show was somethin alright.", "Yeah.. uh.. that never happened, unless you've got a /s to go with that comment.\n\nEDIT: Commenter above me originally said he would beat her, which was false. They decided to edit their comment without mentioning it.", "I guess technically it was both. Started in the late 80's and went into the 90's.", "I watched the show as a kid and sympathized with Kevin\n\nI have rewatched the show at 36 with my own wife and kids and sympathize with the dad.\n\nIt's incredible.", "Yeah. The 90’s were way more nuanced than todays “let’s go Brandon” and all the other bull. Wonder Years was a great show.", "About as real life as it gets", "90s", "90’s", "[Get a job? Me??](https://youtu.be/4pLI5Vf5sKE)\n\n(I was a little young for The Wonder Years, but that's a great scene)", "Nah. She just taught him advanced math.", "First season was amazing but the subsequent ones didn't capture the same magic.", "Screaming at each other isn't airing grievances. And, I promise you, this show is far from reality. People in healthy relationships don't typically blow up on each other like that. There's no reason to escalate so high. People in healthy relationships can sit down and communicate.\n\nPeople who blow up like that over minor shit, typically have many and/or potentially much more impactful issues going on behind the scenes (or sometimes, flat out in the open). Forgiving a blowup and moving on doesn't typically address the issue(s) that lead to the blowup.\n\nRemember, this is a sitcom. An escape that fully intends to leave you feeling good.", "Once again... This is a sitcom.\n\nOnce again, in the real world, if you think this behavior is about forgetting Pepsi, perhaps you're out of touch. Or maybe you've only experienced healthy relationships and grew up in a healthy household. Shrug.\n\nFeel free to keep calling me things, though. I'm used to that, too. And trying to make it out like I said things I didn't and calling me a nutjob for saying those things I didn't say. Please, continue.", "We clearly disagree on the exhibited behavior. He was well above a raised voice.\n\nI've not discredited myself by stating how I see the behavior. And my response is in line with that statement. You don't agree, but you've made personal attacks at me about it from the get-go. And as I requested, you've continued. For that, I thank you.", "I think it's a sitcom. A TV show. A crafted story.\n\nBoy, you sure have some strong feelings here." ]	31	videos	The way "The Wonder Years" takes the tone of an episode from strife and conflict to reconciliation and love, while displaying some truly phenomenal acting, is really quite amazing. This show handled complex topics in SUCH a mature manner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i7PiXSgbwg	/r/videos/comments/rb8uwf/what_if_murphys_law_was_a_real_person/	[ "Haha! \nThis is amazing!", "Fame would ruin this man and his crew. I pray for their safety and sanity. May they live long, full lives.", "This would be an amazing tv series!", "Firefighter Chronicals...\n\nThis man is a true genius and an asset to the mental health of first responders. \n\nHis stuff is to firefighters/EMTs/Medics/not-cops what The Office is to people who think 9-5, M-F is \"a long shift\".", "I still hold the station record for number of cardiac arrest calls back-to-back (5, by the way). It all started with \"Man, two in a row... can't get much worse than that\".", "I fucking love these guys. I wrote a profile of their coffee company (Fire Dept Coffee) on my blog. https://blog.govx.com/how-fire-dept-coffee-roasted-their-way-to-caffeinated-victory/", "This guy is living his best life, his channel's pure fire.", "383k subs. I'd say they're doing just fine.", "That coffee scene is magic." ]	9	videos	What if Murphy's Law was a real person?
https://youtu.be/PfFoDc4NUZA	/r/videos/comments/rb8wfx/newscaster_read_joke_name_on_live_tv/	[ "The one who quickly figured it was a joke name, the anchor, is the one who submitted it. /S. I played that part of the clip back several times before I could hear what the weather reporter said.", "oh I missed that part. I was laughing too hard at the name.", "His laugh sounds just like that meme. \n\nthis guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkk9DI-8el4", "I love that the weather guy is equally amused that he fell for it.", "Ho Lee Fuk\n\nWi Tu Lo", "That was the best troll ever" ]	6	videos	Newscaster read joke name on live TV.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_2nXR3D8Eg	/r/videos/comments/rb95be/hawaii_emergency_us_navy_red_hill_is_destroying/	[ "Sounds like the Church Rock spill from the 70s in New Mexico. Third largest radioactive material spill in the world, never cleaned up. People weren't told for almost a week and it resulted in a ton of bad shit.", "That’s fucked up if it’s true. I have friends and family who live near Red Hill.", "The US navy did this on many of their military bases in the Pacific. There are reports showing the same thing in Japan and Guam and many other places in the Pacific.", "Time for Biden to do nothing and get a pat on the back for it.", "Nestle has entered the chat", "It’s hit the front page: https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/12/06/breaking-news/navy-temporarily-suspends-red-hill-fuel-tank-operations/amp/", "Just like every prez before him", "US military does stupid shit: day nr. 90027", "I'd rather a president do nothing than try to instigate an insurrection because he lost an election.", "Just a reminder though, she is a paid Putin shill. RT owns Empire Files", "This is a real issue and needs to be addressed but take any prescriptive claims made by this source with a grain of salt. They are an extremely biased source, almost to the point of being a tankie.\n\nEdit: Look them up, i'm not wrong.", "The reporters should do the glass of water trick, tell them it came from the Red Hill supply and ask them if they want to drink it.", "It’s odd that you would point out what she is wearing. I gather you like international weather reports", "Okay, so what? The US has a pretty bad track record of poisoning its own citizens.", "It gives some context, I was wondering why the situation was presented in such an emotional way.", "That does not change the fact that the Russian government is purposely trying to destabilize countries through social media and \"news\" sources. (I also find it ironic the same people who used to bitch about Al Jazeera being muslim misinformation worship RT)\n\nWhile this may be true the source makes the conversation suspect.", "Okay, is this better? More sources, less emotion. People still poisoned in Hawaii, which shouldn't be minimized because folks don't like commentator. \n\n[https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/12/04/hawaii-news/rally-calls-for-shutdown-of-red-hill-facility/](https://www.staradvertiser.com/2021/12/04/hawaii-news/rally-calls-for-shutdown-of-red-hill-facility/)\n\n[https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/05/us/honolulu-halawa-shaft-water-source-contamination-navy-well-oahu/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/05/us/honolulu-halawa-shaft-water-source-contamination-navy-well-oahu/index.html)\n\n[https://www.khon2.com/local-news/absolutely-unacceptable-rep-kahele-to-armed-services-committee-on-red-hill-water-contamination/](https://www.khon2.com/local-news/absolutely-unacceptable-rep-kahele-to-armed-services-committee-on-red-hill-water-contamination/)", "Not as bad as Putin", "I provided further sources down below. Feel free to google what is happening if you want another source.", "Did anything she say was false? Otherwise your comment is meaningless and just completely trying to deflect from the topic.", "Oh good, a race to the bottom. Hey everyone, we are better about killing our own people than a dictator!", "Guam faces the military's bs daily but it isn't mentioned.", "The useless binary you're setting up here is so toxic. \"The US\" is a country made up of 50 states that vary pretty widly in governance. \"The US\" has also provided the second most coronavirus stimulus to their citizens, \"the US\" also provides infrastructure like roads electricity and other basic services to its citizens. Reducing it to dumb statements like yours makes \"the US\" looks needlessly evil when its a complex first world country that has simultaneously historically oppressed minorities within its borders while also providing unprecedented opportunities for minority groups without power to advocate politically in their own self interest and specifically against the best interests of the ruling class.\n\nPlease name another major world power that extends the same opportunities to its citizens, I'll wait.", "I appreciate you giving additional sources, but don't you think that the intention behind a news outlet is important when it comes to their credibility?", "With all the flooding in Hawaii right now, you would think they'd be grateful someone's trying to destroy the water.", "Where is your source that RT owns Empire Files or are you just talking out of your ass? I'm not an Abby Martin biographer, but Wikipedia states that she stopped working for RT in 2015 and that Empire Files was hosted by Telesur prior to its current donation model.", "Serious issue but not a serious source.\n\nThey're Russian shills, get your news elsewhere.", "Oh, I'm sorry. It is fine that the US does all of this terrible stuff. You're absolutely correct. Kids in countries we bomb, get wrecked. We shouldn't ask that the US do better, that they not poison the people of Hawaii. How irresponsible of me.\n\nName another world power: Germany, France, the UK, Finland, Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Australia, New Zealand, Canada.", "Maybe I came off more offensive than I intended to? I definitely didn't intend to minimize it. Storing fuel above a drinking water reservoir reeks of bad planning. \n\nAs an example of my preferred reporting style I found this article on the incident:\n[https://apnews.com/article/business-health-environment-and-nature-navy-hawaii-18174396fadda352530bafec269c2323](https://apnews.com/article/business-health-environment-and-nature-navy-hawaii-18174396fadda352530bafec269c2323)", "Sure, but what is inaccurate in this specific video? People can think critically, even if you disagree with their motivation.", "Hey I like the weather girls like the rest of us one of us needs to calm down", "Just a reminder, if what she is saying is true, does it really matter?", "Yeah that water is going to be undrinkable for years at best...", "This is also a good example of why Nuclear Power Plants are going to be extremely difficult to build in the US. They require a lot of trust. Trust of corporations, engineers, and regulators. Instances like this are good examples of why we probably shouldn't trust these entities.", "They work when they want them to. For example, nuclear warships are common and very rarely have any issues. Seems like the answer is simple. All individuals involved with a nuclear power plant (employees, administration, maintenance, quality control, management etc) are required to live in proximity of the plant. That'd probably be a good incentive to do their fucking jobs.", "\"name another country that is exactly the US\" lol\n\ndude stop watching the West Wing\n\nUS is 27th in the Global Social Mobility Index, if we're talking about opportunity", "Please quote where I said \"it's fine the US does all this terrible stuff\". My point is that having a myopic \"US bad\" world view does a massive disservice to all the positives that come along with living in a first world nation.\n\nI'm pretty sure there's no major world powers outside of western democracies where political organizing has gotten a country out of war, actively given rights and reparations to oppressed minorities, lifted people out of poverty or myriad other positive situations. \n\nMy point isn't that the US hasn't done harmful things, it's that the silly binary you're contributing to just to make yourself feel superior doesn't actually help anyone. Statements like \"BUBUBU-buh US BAD\" are about as useful as a Trump supporter going \"THE ELECTION WAS STOLEN\". \n\nWestern democracy is the only political system that allows for people to bring up their grievances publicly, while also providing a system in which those grievances can be addressed through effort and organization. It's shameful that so many online \"woke\" people don't care to actually try to fix the issues they pretend to care about when the resources and the tools are there for the taking. \n\nYour original statement wasn't asking the US to \"do better\" it was a blanket condemnation that's often repeated online without any context or purpose other than to reinforce superficial biases and make the messenger feel superior. Plus, all the countries you listed have probably committed fairly similar offenses against their own citizens. I know at the very least, Canada, Germany, and Australia have.", "I like it. Blood contracts.", "It is true besides the cover up. The Navy has been alerted, temporarily shut down the facility, and is going through measures to clean up the water supply. They are also discussing shutting down the facility permanently and other long term measures to make sure it doesn't happen again. It's not some big cover up.", "Lol cool, advocating for LGBT rights, minority rights and advocating against political corruption and cronyism works so well outside of western democracies right?", "it is a real issue sensationalized by this, well, whatever that channel is. It has been covered in the media and is being addressed by the Navy. There is not some grand cover up.\n\nedit: Seriously, do a quick google search. It's on ABC News, USA Today, PBS, and many more. The Navy has responded with temporarily shutting down the facility, plans to clean up the water, and further plans for measures to make sure it doesn't happen again including discussing shutting down the facility permanently. Stop thinking some garbage Youtube channel is an amazing source uncovering government conspiracies just because they say so (especially if you look at their other videos). That channel is straight propaganda garbage with no insight into anything.", "I always knew we would become the baddies because of the saying the road to hell is paved with good intentions.", "They all do live within the proximity of the plant. Nobody is commuting from across the country, they all live in that community.", "Why is a mining companies screw up a good example of what nuclear power plants do?", "Supply chain issues?", "If a copper tailings dam burst 40 years ago you'd say the electric car industry has a lot to prove?", "Just a reminder, this guy is a US military shill.", "Dissident media is always hosted by some foreign nation. Look at VOA or RFA.", "If a random person came up to me with a glass of water I wouldn't care where they claimed it came from.", "I mean, Venezuela isn’t exactly anti Russia...", "lol get dunked on economic mobility and now you switch to social issues and change scope from \"the US\" to \"western democracies\", take the L dork and stop changing the topic", "\"because 9/11\"", "Okay, but Venezuela isn't Russia and as I said above, it is currently a donation model. His claim was that RT, which is not Venezuelan, owns Empire Files and so far his claim appears to be bullshit.", ">Navy command cannot be trusted\n\nWhooo boy, she ain't fucking lyin lol. Former Sailor here. Accurate as fuck. People watch those pressers and think ooh fancy uniforms and high ranks, they wouldn't lie. They'd gladly lie.", "They were supposed to be regulated as well and promised to do it responsibly.", "When the last living thing on this planet dies, it will be because of capitalism.", "Not the owners. Not the inspectors.", "News doesn't need to be anti russian to be true.", "If only that were true", "So it's been a grand cover up for who knows how long, but nobody should worry because the destroyer says that NOW they are going t take care of it. No need for oversight or anything.", "it hasn't been a grand cover up for a long time. It was just recently discovered. The Navy was just alerted to it and they responded. This is recent news. People started noticing the smell of gasoline in their water. Some got sick to their stomach. The local authorities investigated and found petroleum. They then alerted the Navy and the news. Newspapers reported on it and the Navy is responding. There is no cover up. The facility has been known about and went through EPA inspections in the past. This is not some hidden thing. Holy shit, stop taking the word of random Youtube videos as truth, especially that one.", "> That'd probably be a good incentive to do their fucking jobs.\n\nAlso, I forgot to point out this idea that you somehow think they aren't doing their jobs is absurd.", "Name a government that doesn't.", "> Did anything she say was false?\n\nYes. She said there was a cover up, which there was none. \n\nThe contamination was found by civilian authorities who suspected the navy's fuel tanks were the cause. They contacted the Navy who halted operations of the fuel tanks and are investigating it.", "There are 3 sure things in this life. Death, taxes, and someone not doing their fucking job.", "Totally chill then. Thanks bro! I'll call up Hawaii and let them know they should suck it up and drink toxins.", "Your comment is the reddit version of flipping over the game board. You have no intelligent response so maybe just say nothing next time.", "Is this reporter trans?", "You didn't ask a good question.", "Your comment made the insinuation by omission that the US is the only country that does this. My comment was perfectly good but went against the agenda you were pushing. I am just trying to get you to be honest.", "What agenda? I never insinuated that the US is the only country that does this. \n\nI'm American, so when the US poisons its own people, I'm affected. So, therefore it is important to me that the US be called out.\n\nChina, Russia, EU nations, every country has done something to poison their own people for the sake of the military industrial complex, I'm aware.", "It was \"handed off\" to Telesur when RT started to try to hide the source of some of their programs. Telesur derives secret finance from Russia\n\n[https://www.rt.com/usa/436693-venezuela-crackdown-alternative-media/](https://www.rt.com/usa/436693-venezuela-crackdown-alternative-media/)\n\n&#x200B;\n\nhttps://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Pillars-of-Russia%E2%80%99s-Disinformation-and-Propaganda-Ecosystem\\_08-04-20.pdf" ]	84	videos	Hawaii Emergency -US Navy Red Hill is destroying the water. - Empire Files
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbA-hoIuHM4	/r/videos/comments/rba2cc/a_tree_a_minute_planting_1440_trees_in_a_day/	[ "Just in time as I look at a tree planting job in Georgia.", "Can’t wait for the follow up", "Dude deserves a medal or something", "Ay it's Beau. This guy is cool af, his beans video is ridiculous.", "RemindMe! 2 years \"check for follow up film\"", "I saw an article about someone using large quadcopters to drop tree sprouts like darts. Apparently they could do quite a few in one day.", "what an arbitrary and negative response to watching someone do good", "Beau makes such inspiring videos. Immaculately filmed and edited too. I binged watched a bunch of them last year and watch each one he releases as soon as I'm notified.", "Damn. Imagine being this miserable. I hope you find a way to sort yourself.", "See the Billion Tree Tsunami they have done in Pakistan; this essentially on a significantly larger scale.", "And will you delight us by telling us what you’re doing with your life?", "\"I am learning to live with it\" -Beau Miles\n\nSmall saying that applies to so many things in everyone's life.", "6 deer came through and ate his days work.", "I remember watching this guy run an old disused railroad, just because he thought it was a good idea. Dudes a ledge", "I think actual tree planters do it a lot quicker", "Beau Miles, such an awesome guy. Love his films, love his mindset.", "Smells his fingers, thinks he's touched some cowshit and then in the next shot, he's using his bare hands to make a sandwich. I presume he washed his hands in between shots, though they still looked dirty...", "Probably accurate.", "My little noggin", "Meh, probably inhale far worse each day." ]	21	videos	A Tree a Minute: planting 1440 trees in a day
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tua3sGOqPVM&t=357s	/r/videos/comments/rbb850/jonny_giger_is_a_modern_day_rodney_mullen/	[ "Huere gäil.", "You linked to the end of the video me thinks.", "he is alright. Nowadays that is not too special. In the discipline of freestyle which was where Mullen started, Yuzuki Kawasaki is winning championships. If you want weird and crazy street skating then Andy Anderson or Gou Miyagi. And if you want just raw street skating Yuto Horigome is probably the king right now.", "Glad I read this because I was like... this is mostly just goofy and not a good skills showcase." ]	5	videos	Jonny Giger is a modern day Rodney Mullen
https://youtu.be/lcK8XbS5BuM	/r/videos/comments/rbbd8o/incredibly_talented_trumpeter_playing_the_star/	[ "Holy christ - I did trumpet in high school and my uhm-boo-shure hertz just listening to that.", "Yeah same, I feel like I need to pass out for him", "I guess thats the difference between 4 yrs of high school trumpet and multiple grammy winning trumpet. :)", "LOL \"trumpeter\" - Arturo Sandoval is an absolute legend. I guess I have reached boomer status.", "you mean ARTUTO SANDOVAL like hes not famous or anything", "Reminds me of the way Maynard Ferguson used to get way up there.", "This guy makes a [straw](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_UEPpsCMCA&t=1s) sound like three or four different woodwind instruments. A fucking straw. It's one of the most incredible things I've ever seen in my life.", "I'm pretty sure it's spelled arm-brochure.", "For the uninitiated \n\nhttps://youtu.be/E-FRxV3KJUE", "That's the 2009 Orange Bowl, Cincinnati versus Virginia Tech. I was at this game!", "That's one way to say it.", "At 1:53 someone wipes a tear from their eye. Right third, middle of the screen.", "My first thought as well. Yes I'm a brass player but still.. fuck I'm old.", "[ Jump to 01:53 @ when the trumpet music looks like a flute score](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcK8XbS5BuM&t=0h1m53s)\n \n ^(Channel Name: George Collier, Video Popularity: 99.39%, Video Length: [01:59])^, [^Jump ^5 ^secs ^earlier ^for ^context ^@01:48](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcK8XbS5BuM&t=0h1m48s) \n \n----------------------------------------------------------------------------- \n \n ^^Downvote ^^me ^^to ^^delete ^^malformed ^^comments. [^^Source ^^Code](https://github.com/ankitgyawali/reddit-timestamp-bot) ^^\| [^^Suggestions](https://www.reddit.com/r/timestamp_bot)", "Nice...Robby Ameem on drums (Funkifying the Clave) !", "\"Well done\" lol that is fucking close to impossible for like 99.9999 percent of the planet", "I used to play trombone, and my lips split at the thought of having to play that high", "You dropped a few decimal places bro", "The trumpet dude has talent, i approve!", "Hiiiigh C", "I dont need to say that hes extremely talented, but was it just me or did he rush several notes?", "This performance with Dizzy's United Nations Orchestra [was just absurd](https://youtu.be/mqihuIeMF1Q?t=421). Then, fast forward to 17:21 where shit gets really real. I know he gets some flak from the jazz community for being a showoff, but he is pretty ridiculous.", "I played trumpet in high school. It's really hard to hit, let alone hold, notes that high, so I think he just couldn't hold them any longer.", "Or [Bill Chase](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERZZr5ckOeg).", "Remember back in middle school when that one trumpet player was finally able to hit high C (basically able to do a 2 octave scale)? They were instantly pronounced the Band God and locked in 1st chair until at least high school.", "Arturo's like on the Mt. Rushmore of trumpet players.", "A fantastic performance but absolutely shitty TV camera work. I hate it when they film jazz and can't even manage to show the player who's soloing.\n\nIt's not rocket science.", "That high C was the pinnacle of success for middle school trumpet, then in high school it was the G above that.", "I was pretty into trumpet in highschool. We used to play Get it On in the marching band, and man, that song would kick my ass every time.", "OK BOOMER!\n\nno but seriously, thanks! didn't know the guy, never seen anything like this before", "wow. just wow. ty for posting this. what kind of trumpet is he playing on the 17:21 bit - is that a coronet?", "ambrosiar!", "I remember finishing classes and my face and lips being tired from trying to keep notes. enjoyed it but zero musical talent here.", "My father introduced me to Arturo Sandoval in about 1994 and I've been a fan ever since. I had a chance to see him perform from the front row with my father about 3 years ago. Fantastic live performer!", "So glad he's still around. Doc Severinsen is still around too, amazingly enough. \n\nRIP Maynard Ferguson. \n\nIncredible players, all of them.", "Piccolo trumpet", "\"WELL DONE ARTURO SANDOVAL\"\n\nI love how the energy in the crowd goes from kind mid when they hear his name to utter disbelief and wild cheering at the end. Incredible arc.", "TY", "The US likes big flags", "Now my jaws hurt and my lips are numb. I helped my daughter with trumpet and trombone. Wow brass is hard to play. I still can't play but at least I remember the pain of changing registers. I'll take guitar or piano please. Woodwinds are OK. Just no brass. It just hurts.", "They are used during international rugby matches too [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM4mIlYKG9s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AM4mIlYKG9s) (watch the video, it is the Welsh national anthem at the home of Welsh rugby and no anthem will top it, this is from a die hard England rugby fan)", "And that's still one whole octave lower than the note in the video, right?", "Wow that is amazing.", "> Incredibly talented trumpeter\n\nPeople don't know Arturo Sandoval? I'm sad now.", "Embouchure? Lol.", "Honestly I’d like to see more instrumental ensembles and soloists perform at these high profile media events. Not necessarily for the entertainment, but to provide a little more talent to the spectacle of the show as a whole. So many butchered versions of the anthem exist, Fergie stands out as a recent botched performance. Sandoval, on the other hand, is a class act. He delivers a straight forward anthem with impeccable flair at the end.", "He only really rushed in the final two measures, he keeps pretty impeccable time otherwise. On the whole it’s a great performance, there are, however, two criticisms one could make: he mis-hits the first note and his articulation when he transitions from the low register to the high register isn’t as clear as it was when he played the first half of the anthem. Sandoval’s known for his high register playing and is generally great at articulating, I’m splitting hairs here by saying a few high notes were a bit fuzzy on this particular performance (in particular measure 26 with the three high A’s in a row)", "Yeah I was ready for it to be a video of some unknown high schooler. And then I clicked and it’s fucking Arturo Sandoval lol", "Yeah. This reminded me of the Chase albums my dad played for me when I was little.", "> I know he gets some flak from the jazz community for being a showoff\n\nDoesn't jazz have a huge component of showing off anyway? I thought they were all about the ridiculous complex harmonies and rhythms. Genuinely asking, I'm not super familiar with jazz.\n\nEdit: also, to be clear, I want at least some people to keep showing off because it's amazing to watch.", "An incredibly talented trumpeter??? That's Arturo Sandoval, you fool!", "And is he an incredibly talented trumpeter?", "My rival high school had a jazz clinic that my brother attended. Maynard was the featured clinician. I had no idea who he was before I went to the concert at the end of the clinic. It was absolutely mind blowing.", "As did I, I wasnt referring to the difficult notes to hit actually, it was some of the regular ones he seemed not to hold long enough.", "Yeah, just some dude…", "It’s insane how many people will hear the high note and go “wow” without realizing how fucking amazing his execution is. Like perfect attack and chops for days. I couldn’t make it through half of the end there and I’ve been playing brass for 20+ years. My lips would be ON FIRE!", "Ha yes came down for this comment. “Incredibly talented trumpeter” aka one of the most famous jazz musicians alive.", "9999.99%", "My wife hears this and asked \"is that guy playing on two blades of grass?\"", "9.9.9.9.9.9", "I hate how the military and patriotism have ingrained themselves as a marketing ploy into all US sports. Disgusting", "Oh ok, I dunno then.", "well that's Arturo.", "Jazz is incredibly broad, some parts of jazz are like that but far from all of it.", "Arturo Sandoval's lips ARE fire.", "Jazz is kinda like wrist watches - there's the people who like/play the super nuanced understated stuff that you have to be \"in the know\" to understand and appreciate, where restraint is the prized trait - people literally geek out at how much space is left in the record, you tend to get into real weird time signatures, that kinda thing. Very nerdy. \n\nThere's stuff in the middle that imo tend to be the more pop-leaning jazz, the stuff that tends to get more mainstream traction. \n\nThen there's the people who like/play the totally flamboyant \"look what I can do with the tools I have\" style that max out their technical abilities. It's very much a \"to each their own\" thing, but like watches most jazz listeners can appreciate the skill of a huge player like Sandoval even if they don't particularly enjoy listening to it in their free time", "As one of the uninformed, isn't he just pushing buttons while blowing through the instrument to play the notes? Like a recorder or a guitar or a piano? What makes this difficult?", "The buttons (keys) are all just memory and practice but it takes huge lung capacity and lip strength. It sounds silly but if you were to try what he’s doing your lips would “blow out” within a few seconds because wind musicians have to strengthen their lip muscles. It’s the most common misconception about being a wind player in my experience, everyone thinks it’s very easy but even me not having played all last year almost completely lost my ability to hit high notes like these.", "What makes it dificult? Does the higher the note require more air pressure from your lungs?", "Not only this but you’re having to purse or pinch your lips together super tight while the air is passing through and vibrating your lips.", "What does the lip vibration do for the sound? Sorry I genuinely have no idea how a trumpet is played and I've always wanted to know", "The lip vibration is the sound, the horn just modulates and amplifies it. You also have to match the frequency you vibrate your lips to the keys you're pressing, and you can hit lower or higher registers by tightening and loosening your lips respectively.", "Fascinating, so it's not like a recorder where you just blow and the keys make the note?", "Nope. Your lips buzzing is what makes the note.", "Thanks!", "Yep, and a piccolo trumpet was [famously used in Penny Lane by the Beatles.](https://youtu.be/OxO4nODCGD0?t=219)", "Questionable spelling but no worries", "Ah yes, my spelling. The go to answer when you have absolutely NOTHING to say but want to come out on top" ]	86	videos	Incredibly talented trumpeter playing the star spangled banner with a ridiculously high note at the end
https://youtu.be/niReYoYA7uU	/r/videos/comments/rbbho5/19_most_powerful_psalms_for_supernatural_healing/	[ "People actually believe this shit!?", "So dumb", "I'm laughing so friggin hard right now! Holy moley, talk about retarded. It's amazing how you believe God gave you intelligence and then you proceed to demonize the people who actually use it. \n\nWhenever we're dealing with a complex subject we have no choice but to trust the experts of that subject. Christianity is founded on the idea of trusting experts, which is why it's so ridiculous that modern day Christians have so much distrust for experts and so much trust in unverifiable posts on the internet.", "I believe in a thing called love.", "in The Darkness???", "Just listen to the rhythm of my heart", "There's a chance we could make it now", "We'll be rocking till the sun goes down", "*screams in high pitch", "\"supernatural\" aka, fake" ]	10	videos	19 Most Powerful Psalms For Supernatural Healing
https://youtu.be/WaeqXWzaizY	/r/videos/comments/rbbymx/youtube_and_toei_animation_are_destroying_totally/	[ "Who cares? If youtube sucks find a new platform", "Ignoring the problem won't solve it.", "I care", "Nothing gets done if everyone has a “don’t like it, run away.” Mentality like you. \n\nSure, nothing will PROBABLY happen anyway, but lazy cowardice like that guarantees it.", "What if you get lawyers involved?", "not according to Fair use tho", "https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rb6xro/over_150_videos_gone_my_response_to_toei/", "Japan doesn’t have fair use", "You're not really that stupid are you?", "Oh you're right let's just whine about how bad the platform is without actually doing anything about it. Gotcha", "Whining about the problem and doing nothing to make it better won't fix it either", "Pretty sure you mean demonetization?", "This is really shitty and I hope he gets all of his videos restored.\n\nThat being said, this is why YouTube is not a viable full time career option. Once you hire employees and dedicate 100% of your time to the platform, you're trapped. YouTube has the complete power to destroy your life in one day and take it all away from you.", "Youtube cannot reliably be 100% of your income source if you have to rely on other's contents to make videos on.", "Citation needed", "And that new platform would be.....?", "My only real take away from this is that YouTube is not a good place to make your entire income from much less an entire companies payroll. It is an insanely reckless to host your content on a platform you do not own or have some type of contract with to ensure the income of you and your employees. It’s like if the internet was all based out of a single server that somebody in Saskatchewan owned who never responded to emails and was impossible to contact directly.", "But people have no choice and if they want to be a video content creator. You cannot be economically viable on any other video hosting platform. The problem is that if you want to be a content creator, you must go through YouTube because they hold a monopoly on video hosting. Small video creators can either host their stuff on YouTube, or not be a small video creators at all. Because of this YouTube abuses them, but it isn't the creators fault for being abused, you can hardly blame them for using the only viable video hosting platform, its Googles fault for being shitty.\n\nIts like when Comcast introduced data fees. What are you gonna do? Not use the internet?", ">It is an insanely reckless to host your content on a platform you do not own or have some type of contract with to ensure the income of you and your employees\n\nThere isn't another economically viable platform, YouTube has a monopoly on video hosting. If you personally enjoy small content creators and want them to be paid for their work, you should give a shit when YouTube Buttfucks them.", "They have a choice in terms of what they're covering. This is a good example that you can't let your business be centered around the media property of another company if you are going to choose to go into content creation. The risk is too high.", "Well the way YouTube works isn’t shrouded in mystery. They fuck people and demonetize people every day. Basing your income for your family and your employees through a channel you don’t have control over is risking not only your money but the money of everyone you hired for you company", "Youtube is not a career", "This is the one repost I don’t care about, let’s help mark out", "I don't see what any of that has to do with what they said? They said don't make it 100% of your income, and definitely don't build a business off it. You can still be a video creator and not do those things. Just don't build a career creating content for a company who won't sign a contract with you. \"Get it in writing,\" is like the first rule of business.", "Can anything even be done? YouTube has shown time and time again. That they couldn't give two fucks about what's going on with their content creators.\n\nEdit: I can't put into words how stupid this is for a company to do. Creators like Eyepatch Wolf are why I got into certain series in the first place. Hunter x Hunter always looked like a run-of-the-mill shonen and I never even considered watching it until Eyepatch's famous video.", "Unfortunately none of this shit is new and YT has been condoning this behaviour for years now.\n\nNot the reality anyone wants to hear, but it will never change.", ">Just don't build a career creating content for a company who won't sign a contract with you\n\nThis my entire point. You currently cannot be a successful video creator without doing the above. There is no viable alternative, but to get another job doing something else. There is an argument for twitch, but that's only for gaming youtubers. If you want to make content, like the guy in this video. You have no choice but to \"build a career creating content for a company who wont sign a contract with you\" and that shouldn't be the case, but it is.", "a loud number of Redditors bock ads, I don’t think they’d be convinced to support YouTube content creators.", "Bummer,good news is, the world needs ditch diggers too.", "Another YouTube parasite shakes his fist at the sky? \nAt the end of the day, Toei can pick and choose who they want to showcase their IP, regardless of YouTube's position as a mediator. Bizarre that Mark ends his video with a \"Toei will not stop me.\" demonstrating his entitlement.", "People fuelling Alphabet's business expecting a share of profits.\n\nNot going to happen.\n\nAlphabet/Google/YouTube have been fucking over creators with crap every step of the way.", "This is an antiquated way of thinking. \n\nYoutube can reliably be 100% of your income if it returns, on average, a livable wage. \n\nYour work on Youtube can justifiably be 100% of your income if you follow all of the copyright laws/guidelines and Youtube's guidelines. \n\nWhat is not justifiable is a larger entity in the process abusing a system that is designed to remedy copyright disputes in order to unfairly punish someone in such a way that they cannot reasonably defend themselves. This is the automated version of frivolous lawsuits of the past. \n\nYour suggestion that content based on prior works is not a justifiable living, to me, is silly and misunderstands the underlying nature of what content actually is. Stories are just retellings of other stories. Reports are just summarizations of prior reports. Everything is a copy of a copy of a copy. Films, animations, photos, literature...they're all just abstractions of communication. It's a back and forth, the content creator makes the first call and the critics, reviewers, and commentators make the first response. \n\nRemove from your perspective the assumption that this is some how the content creators fault. Regardless of your personal feelings towards the medium or the content, what happened is a large entity unfairly abused two systems, the legal system set up in framing how these disputes are handled and Youtube's automated system built to keep up with all the sites claims. It's an exploit, one that shouldn't be allowed at all. Replace \"Youtuber\" with \"Freelance worker\" and most of the country would be up in arms over this.", "Yeah, you are correct. But you shouldn't be, its wrong that independent guys like this can't make the same videos as company workers (IGN). His shit is covered under fair use, but he got ganked anyway because hes too small to protect himself. You are correct, that is the way it is. But that shouldn't be the way it is.", "Really? Video editing, production, management, project management, not to mention you're probably a self-starting, take the initiative type of person to take a run at youtube in the first place. I wouldn't think twice about hiring someone with the skills to have a channel with 100k+ subs.", "Once you work at literally any career type job, your employer has complete power to destroy your life in one day and take it all away from you.", "A few of the top comments are pointing out that youtube isn't a viable platform as an income source. I don't disagree exactly, but I think you're missing the point. Youtube has revolutionized how people consume media and information. I get more news from youtube sources than any other and I think many people are reaching the same conclusion. \n\nYoutube is great, but their interest is in protecting youtube, so they're intentionally throwing their hands in the air when it comes to copyright, which I think leaves a huge opportunity for an honest company that IS willing to put in even a modicum of effort into giving their content creators a fair review. The beauty of the youtube model is that if they allow enough shenanigans, another platform can easily take their place. It hasn't happened yet, but the writing has been on the wall for a while.", "As a musician, I don't see the problem here. If it's fan content it shouldn't be monetized unless there is a contract between the creator. If I made a song and someone reviewing my songs was making a living from it to where they can start their own company I would probably take legal action against them. This guy is making money off of someone elses work, doesn't matter if he works hard at it at all imo.", "This is only really true if you're relying on ad revenue. If you operate on a paid subscription model, then the platform is pretty irrelevant.\n\nThe problem is not YouTube. The problem is careers based on ad-revenue. I'd much rather pay users directly for content than to pay with my time by watching ads.", "^ this. When I first started working in my career field (marketing) they were way more interested in my tiny youtube channel with <100 subs and a website I created for a product that never sold than they were my education and past employment.", "Here in Japan, there really isn't any concept of \"fair use\". There is however a strong concept of Shouzouken (肖像権) which gives people the right to their own image. This is why whenever Japanese TV shows scenes from a street, they blur out the faces of people in the background if they haven't signed a release. Many Japanese people somehow think that this concept is extended to creative works. Regardless of legality, that's just kind of how Japanese people think. The Japanese entertainment industry is like an \"old boys club\" and major players give each other benefits while attacking the small guy.\n\nI'm sure Toei did this because that's honestly what they thought was the norm. I hope this guy gets his videos back.", "Thats just incorrect. The only platform you can actually GROW on and build a career with as an independent, is YouTube. Nobody is going to discover your Vimeo videos, you are not going to \"explode\" on dailymotion. Discoverability is the most important thing to a small content creator.", "I've heard it both ways.", "Revenue diversification is also important. Patrons, merch, other platforms, sponsorships all reduce a creators reliance on YT. Ideally, if YT just decodes you don't exist anymore, a creator should be able to transfer a large part of their following elsewhere.", "There is an inherant risk when you attach your entire business model to others platforms and products.\n\nThe platform isnt his, and neither are the rights to the product he is reviewing.\n\nHe should be thankful he managed to make money off them to begin with.", "Not exactly the same as you could get a severance or unemployment if fired by a company that employs you, however at YouTube you are essentially a independent contractor or have your own business so if YouTube cancels you then your f'd.\n\nBasing a business around a platform well known for demonetizing its content creators, and allowing bogus copyright claims to persevere completely unrestrained, is a bad idea. \n\nYou'd do better selling 3D models in Second Life.", ">a creator should be able to transfer a large part of their following elsewhere.\n\nI don't think you will be able to find a single example of that. You can diversify your income all you want, but your videos MUST remain on YouTube if you want to continue to grow and retain your viewership.", "ideally\nObviously it would be bad no matter what. The goal is just to reduce that reliance as much as possible. So if you do get shanked, at least you have some chance vs just being toast. LTT is probably the best example of the preparation aspect that comes to mind.", "So be discovered on YouTube. Then take your audience and get them pay for it. Most businesses don't expect to make a lot of money while they're starting up and gaining a customer base. But once you have a paying audience, it really doesn't matter where you host your videos, because you're providing the content directly to them.", "I mean, I do agree with you. And the way YouTube manages copyright claims is horrendous, but it feels like it’s a problem that’s been around for a decade now. I don’t know, short of legislation, what can be done.", "thats what I was thinking. they've probably copyright claimed all the videos cuz in japan that would be fair game. I dont know where this guy is but in the US I'd imagine he'd be able to take this to court somehow. would be extremely expensive and would probably destroy him further just to fight for fair use but it might be what would have to happen and since the system is designed against winning these battles it'll be difficult. the fact that it involves content not from the US probably makes it an even more difficult situation. \n\n\nthat said, the shit going on with H3 domestically apparently is expected to have a fairly big impact in legal ruling going forward. im definitely no expert but as I've come to understand a lot of legal battles get fought and argued over past rulings and its expected that this H3 case may set somewhat of a foundation or example of fair use in these cases will be approached legally. Hopefully that fight is won in favor of creators", "Yeah cool, problem here is this guy got all of his videos deleted. So you know, no videos, no content, no patreon donations, no merch, no nothing.", "Both ways are wrong.", "Youtube for a long time was run as a charity in which the platform never earned a penny of money. These were the \"golden years\" that everyone wants back (but no one would be willing to take a pay cut to have). Now the Digital Millennium Copyright Act rules the land and people who operate channels based on, using or criticizing an IP could just as well have their content blocked.\n\nLike if you're going to make a Youtube channel.... you really have to make your own content. Depending on fair use interpretations is risky as fuck. If Youtube de-monitized a Stephen Colbert video... it wouldn't matter to Colbert because that's just extra.", "Litteraly no one gives a shit. Stop trying to live on other people's coat tails an get a job.", "I just can’t feel bad for YouTube influencers… you should have known better that YouTube is a scummy company and you sign away your rights when you choose to make content for a single platform as a career choice.", "Media reviewers/critics have been around long before YouTube, so this comment comes off as very ignorant. You’re basically insinuating that you wouldn’t want anyone to review or comments on your music. If that’s not your intention then you misunderstand the situation. \n\nAlso you wouldn’t have a legal leg to stand on if the content was transformative in nature.", "Not quite the same. EI for one, also you could just find other jobs in the same career field. If you suddenly get taken off Youtube then what alternative do you have? Sure others are out there, but nowhere near the size/scope of Youtube and youll also nees to hope your fanbase follows you to whatever less popular platform you move to", "Influencer isn’t really the correct word for this kind of content. Influencers sell a lifestyle and make money by associating with brands. Not sure what that has to do with reviewing/critiquing content. In many cases creating fan art. \n\nHonest question: Do you watch any YouTubers at all?", "But what happened just demonstrated that it cannot reliably be counted on, that's all I'm saying.", "/r/UnexpectedPsych", "Why does youtube enable this behavior? I get under the DCMA or whatever they have some legal obligations regarding copyrighted stuff but why do they have to be so over the top aggressive and unforgiving?", "Sorry, industry speak. I’m head of marketing for a game publisher… I pay to sponsor content all the time… so I tend to default reference all YouTubers who have a following and monetize as influencers. And yes I’m an avid YouTube watcher.", "The fact it makes money has nothing to do with whether it's fair use or not.", "You’re looking at it the wrong way then. You clearly value these people as a resource for your own company’s benefits. But don’t waste a second feeling sorry for them when their hard work is undone by the ill-intended abuse of the system. \n\nIf the content is actually illegal/suspect that’s a different situation entirely.", "Toei has been doing this for years and years. Team Four Star especially has had to deal with this sort of thing constantly. He'll likely get at least some of his videos back but it'll take him a long and hard battle. Then in the end it won't really be worth it to continue the same sort of content.", "At some point creators have to just up and find somewhere else to host their videos. This has happened countless times and will continue.", "It actually does matter.\n\nThere are [a few things](https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/more-info.html) courts will consider when ruling whether or not something is fair use.\n\nThe very first thing they look at is if the work is being used for commercial purposes.", "Most of our PR is paid for either by the artist or label via contract, including magazine articles and such. Fan made content rarely ever is monetized, they usually are supportive of the artist in this sitation and usually trying to not make money off of the artist in this nature, my biggest issue with these systems is that I get blocked for covering my own content on a separate medium. What I take from this specific youtuber is he is dependent on the content of Toei to routinely produce his own content which is different than a one off review. I also don't see much substances there to be transformative without dipping your toes into the IP. Many youtubers I follow that are behind something similar usually use streaming to build an income off of an IP rather than purely reviewing it. In music we're dealing with this but in the educational system in fair use, it is harder to educate people on videos as any inkling to a song will get flagged but that is a more appropriate use to being transformative at least regarding a TOS imo but yeah I am ignorant to a lot of this just stating my opinion on the internet.", "I'm just going to say this Japan dose not believe in \"Fair Use\".", "True, but it doesn't make youtube's system any less broken.", "It's cheaper for them to do what they're doing. Losing a creator here and there is a lot cheaper than hiring hundreds of IP lawyers to review every single report for validity and any subsequent court battle if the reporter decides to push further.\n\nAgain, not the reality people want to hear, but it's the one we've got.", "Sounds like YouTube just had a better business plan. Objectively this guy's business plan was weak and should have failed. Cold harsh realities of capitalism.", "\"Yeah, but if *I* can get a bunch of their money, fuck everyone else!\"\n\n-- the exact logic that led us to this point and will continue to lead us further down", ">This does not mean, however, that all nonprofit education and noncommercial uses are fair and all commercial uses are not fair; instead, courts will balance the purpose and character of the use against the other factors below. Additionally, “transformative” uses are more likely to be considered fair. Transformative uses are those that add something new, with a further purpose or different character, and do not substitute for the original use of the work.\n\nHate to break it to you, but while the content does make money, it actually matters very little depending on which form of expression the content is being used within. Criticism and parody will often use copyrighted material for commercial purposes without any issue. \n\nAdditionally, this guy's work is transformative which is often seen as fair, commercial or not.", ">Additionally, this guy's work is transformative which is often seen as fair, commercial or not.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nBut Japan from memory doesn't have transformative or fair use policies. Anyone who has had anything to do with japanese anime companies knows they are brutal. They make the music companies look like saints", "So how do you expect them to grow once they're been \"discovered\"? People aren't going to Vimeo to find new content creators. I can't think of any successful examples of this outside of educational content.", "None of this stuff is new. At this point, I'd arguing continuing using a platform you hate just because it's the most popular and safe option is the lazy and cowardly route. I've long run out of sympathy for anyone who thinks YouTube is a career path.", "In fairness, I hadn't considered international law in this instance. However, if you're removing content from US permissions, your argument should be tied in US law. Youtube should demonetize videos on a region-by-region basis if we're going by Japanese law on a primarily US youtube channel.", "They should advertise on YouTube. No I'm not kidding.", "Toei is not an american company, but a japanese company, therefore they act accordingly to JAPANESE COPYRIGHT LAW.\n\nSame would be true if the company would be german or italy.\n\nOnly countries with a \"[common law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_law)\" principle (mostly USA, Canada and Commonwealth countries) will allow \"fair use\". Japan is not part of it.\n\nJust because the youtuber and youtube itself are american, it doesn't mean that only american laws are put into place in that case. Japan is a souveran country with its own laws, esp. copyright laws. \n\n\nThinking that only us law will be valid on a plattform that is internationally working is either uneducated or ignorant.", "No, as I stated above… to elaborate, entertainment as a career path is high high risk and high high reward… if you are unable to handle the consequences should the platform and medium you work in go in a direction that is contrary to your own goals, then you should probably have not put all your eggs in that basket. I work in video games, a highly unstable area… so I have backup plans and safety nets in place for when my product’s life is up. The reason why I don’t feel bad for people in this situation is not because I use them… (I actually support channels I really like and want to see grow) I don’t feel bad because they feel entitled when in fact they should know they have 0 legal standing once the terms of service are acknowledged. Laterally all you can do is cut your losses and move on. This video will do nothing but drive pity Patreon subs while effecting nothing on YouTube’s terms of service.", "Seriously, the big names should just make content on a different platform. Organize a migration off of YouTube. That would be nice, but im sure the big names that could do anything, are making enough that they really don't give a shit. Until YouTube comes for them that is.", "Yes, I don't know why you haven't made the leap in logic here but you just shouldn't make a career of being an independent video creator. For every success story there's about 1000 people who didn't make it. It's barely lucrative (probably only if you also have a patreon), you have to spend tons of time and money to build a base of followers and no guarantee of any success or income, you are at the mercy of your parent platform to not just say \"fuck you in particular\", there's MASSIVE MASSIVE competition.\n\nIf it's what you love - do it as a hobby. The people who can make it their job are basically unicorns.", "How's that boot taste?", "there's no problem to solve. if they don't want it they nuke it. he can either use YouTube and not distribute their content, forsake YouTube and host his own, or reach an agreement", "Youtube cornered the market because the had the backing of the most powerful company on the planet, possibly outside amazon. It operated on a loss for basically over a decade to secure the viewers it now has, and now there's a bunch of regulations that most likely only a company with the extreme resources of google can reasonably fulfill. They've essentially filled the available space on the videohosting market and I can't imagine what a competitor would even look like at this point, but I can tell you it would be so expensive probably only a company like amazon could even potentially try.", "That's absolutely not true unless you work in some sort of extremely niche profession, and even then you still have other protections in place.", "It has been tried and failed. The sheer amount of work to get users to migrate off an instilled product is really difficult. Then there is the fear of retaliation like Twitch did to streamers that jumped to other streaming sites; they completely banned their account. This means they are relying on the income from the new site that has less viewers and not a lot of viewers swap platforms so it cripples their career.\n\nPlus it costs sooooooo much money to have a server and program even close to competing with YouTube’s in terms of buffer speed across all those millions of videos.", "I'm still waiting for Twitch to take over Youtube and for Youtube to just die.\n\nI grew up with the start of Youtube. But for all that I watch and use the service for, ANY other service that offers comparable content and services will replace it entirely for me. It's the toothpaste or kleenex debate. Brand doesn't matter just as long as it does the job I want it to do. Youtube only remains because someone hasn't built a better service. I expected Twitch to entirely replace Youtube like 5 years ago. They still haven't properly developed their platform to do so, but they have only tiny steps to get there that they just won't take. I don't get it. There's so many people on Twitch and so many viewers, but Twitch stops short of literally ending Youtube because they won't fully create the feature set to do so. If Twitch finished what they started and creators just migrated over (many already run mixed) in mass, Youtube would die overnight. All that would be left would be corporate driven content. It may survive on that alone. I don't know. But I know everyone would walk away from Youtube in an instant and follow their favorite creators over to whatever other site they step to. Considering Twitch pays vastly more, I would have expected this to already happen. I'm just waiting...", "I think it’s really hard to operate YouTube or clone. \n\nYou’ve seen how much success twitter and Reddit clones have had in the past. \n\nYouTube is generating and emitting data at a mind boggling rate.\n\nYou need some kind of funding with massive pockets. You would become what you have long before you beat out YouTube.", "Maybe mindgeek could do something like it though?", "He complains about Colbert using Toei animation in his show, but here's the thing:\n\nI would bet a non-trivial amount of money that there was either a payment, or an agreement of some kind, from Colbert to Toei for the right to use their content. It's not a valid argument in this case, because when Toei explicitly agrees to let you use their stuff, you then aren't bound by the limits of fair use.\n\nI don't know his channel and I'm not saying his general message is either right or wrong; I'm only saying that this particular bit is incorrect for him to assert.", "Not really sure what your trying to say here. YouTube and this guy are not competing. He was arbitrarily screwed by a third party (anime company) that is abusing YouTubes broken copy strike system. He actually gets his videos back eventually, but the broken process would take 35 years. When I say YouTube gets to abuse its content creators, I mean they get to ignore their problems because its inconvenient to get involved. Did you uhh, watch the video lol?", "Getting every video demonitized isn't economically viable and YouTube does not have a monopoly", "Music doesn’t really allow for the same type of analysis as movies/shows do. Most of the content that was removed from this channel was reviews of storylines and content from years/decades ago. Some of the content was character analysis, some was story analysis. The point is that analyzing media is absolutely not illegal or wrong. Toei should not have the power to arbitrarily shut down content discussing its own content. Companies should not have total control over the discourse surrounding their IP. \n\nIf someone wanted to make content discussing your music in some way they have that right. They also have the right to earn money from that discussion unless they are distributing your music for free. Their analysis/comments are their own and they have the right to profit from them if people are willing to pay (through watching ads/donations/etc.).", "The issue is more with the fact that YouTube is the sole video hosting site where a creator like this can make a living. If we as viewers enjoy content, we should be on the creator’s side when things like this happen. Maybe he has a backup plan. But, that plan will have nothing to do with creating internet content which is a shame for fans and creators alike.", "That's if this was to be prosecuted in America. There's no such thing as transformative use in Japan. If you make a doodle of Sonic the Hedgehog you are violating SEGA's patent.", "They do well now because their competition is largely worse. Their competitors don't pay as well, don't have as much reach and basically have the same stance on DMCA.", "I see your point, though I miss the times before streaming and monetized youtube. I still feel like merch is still king for profits all these nickel and dime profits are killing vibes and leaves a weird competitive nature for creators.", "People have tried and tried again to make a YouTube clone with little success. It's also cost a lot of money just to operate such a platform.\n\nPlus your subscribers are tied into the YouTube ecosystem and it would be extremely hard to build that up again.\n\nMark's living is on YouTube. It's just straight ignorance saying that he said just get over it. He also has employees.", "Here's the thing tho, Mark was contacted by Toei this summer to promote their works. They already was aware of who he was.", "The Japanese are on some crazy shits", "He lives in the US, thus US laws apply to him. Japan's copyright laws are irrelevant.", "Facts", "So, his videos should only be blocked in Japan, since the problem is only with japanese laws.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nThe game \"The Great Ace Attorney\" used Sherlock Holmes and Watson names, which wasn't allowed by the Conan Doyle estate. Then, years late, when the game was released worldwide, they changed the names to Herlock Sholmes.\n\n&#x200B;\n\nWhy wouldn't it work both ways? Just Japan has the benefits?", ">So, his videos should only be blocked in Japan, since the problem is only with japanese laws. \n> \n>Just Japan has the benefits?\n\nBit overwhelmed at the thought of foreign laws impacting U.S. citizens for once and not - as usual - basically the other way around? \nI'll try to write this in simple words... first, because English is not my native language and second, so that most people understand: \nToei is an international company with headquarters in Japan and \"smaller\" headquarters in the USA and other countries. \nIn each country where they launch their series, they have certainly secured a copyright claim. The local headquarters/Licencetaker take care of marketing, licensing and PR. \nOur Youtuber here who had contact with TOEI certainly had it with TOEI USA. \nToei Japan, on the other hand, is the headquarters of the big bosses and if someone there decides that such videos contradict copyrights (which is very possible in the case of Japan's copyright laws), then they will act according to THEIR laws and then a US Youtuber has problems for the time being. \nAnd then he can lament about \"[fair use](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use)\" all he wants. Japan (and many other countries) do not know this legal concept in this form, so it is not relevant to protect their own copyright claim. \nIn the USA, for example, one is sued into the ground if the copyright holder fears that his copyright might be infringed, because: Under US law, you lose your copyright protection if you don't defend it. And yes, US companies sometimes sue people IN the USA, even though these people are not even in the USA! \nWould have been enough if the videos were only shown in the USA. Maybe. But maybe not, because then TOEI Japan would have just hired lawyers in the US/EU etc and then the thing would have gone through anyway. \nToei Japan is most likely even in the right here. However, it is a very bad PR coup.", "Well, at least in a court he could lament about fair use, rather than it being so much more unilateral with Youtube.", "Again, most countries do not know the concept of \"fair use\".", "Some countries do. He should have the option of defense in those and where the law could have a chance to be respected.", "There are sites like Vimeo and Dailymotion, but because they are a ghost town of viewers they're not real competitors. Any video hosting site has to actively campaign to take down YT, I agree - prob by poaching their creators." ]	111	videos	YouTube and Toei Animation are destroying Totally Not Mark's career with their abusive demonization system. He is being betrayed by the company that made his childhood and what his channel is all about. Spread the word.
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rbc9wd/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rbc9wd/deleted_by_user/	[ "I loved Get Back but real talk there’s like hours of this", "FUcking Love Ringo... that last goofy second.", "I can’t really argue, I could’ve used about 40% less of them fucking around really, but on the other hand I can’t stop thinking and talking about the doc, all that cool and interesting Beatlestuff\n\nAnd Grease Paint was one of the weirder, randomer moments lol" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/buA1BuGflNA	/r/videos/comments/rbczsg/artists_before_after_selling_their_souls/	[ "The Devil sounds more fun than that straight laced Jesus arsehole.", "I like the vid but the editing is funny lol", "Not to mention that Satanists don't actually worship Satan.", "I think stuff like this is interesting and given the amount of material available it warrants some discussion. Does this actually help sell records? Does anyone take it seriously? Who and why? If it's been going on for so long then is it just a trend? \nYou'd think it's at least as interesting a discussion as the latest MCU plot." ]	4	videos	Artists before & after selling their souls
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QC83jeOaBls	/r/videos/comments/rbd4oh/the_christmas_song/	[ "I also write my own music!\r \n\r \nSpotify: https://open.spotify.com/artist/5UHkfJQCZnodnpAibV8zTv\r \n\r \nApple: https://music.apple.com/us/artist/floris-boere/926120100", "Beautiful! What's the piano you're playing on?", "An old Everett, not the best but just means I gotta work harder for a nice tone 😅" ]	3	videos	The Christmas Song
https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/rbd53y/deleted_by_user/	/r/videos/comments/rbd53y/deleted_by_user/	[ "Amazing performance!\n\nI usually cry myself to sleep after breakups but what you're doing is equally as good", "That was good man, sad but good. Thanks and keep playing!", "Love is made of meat. 🥓" ]	3	videos	[deleted by user]
https://youtu.be/v3wqx-xnCQI	/r/videos/comments/rbd6un/a_short_film_about_a_switchboard_operator/	[ "Those jobs would have been so challenging during the war. \n\n\nThey did this really well.", "I agree. That tension really built up with everything started ringing", "This has criminally low views." ]	3	videos	A short film about a switchboard operator
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9yqXzZ16ns	/r/videos/comments/rbdkw7/this_video_of_a_multicar_freeway_wreck_in_los/	[ "Eh...those will buff out.", "Comfortable and inattentive. I'm stunned by how few people know to use their blinkers, at least the truckers knew how to handle it.", "That is natural selection at work.", "/r/IdiotsInCars", "Eh.. 1 more text won't hur.....", "LA is fucking psychotic. Everyone is absolutely flying but also on everyone's ass as to not dare allow anyone to merge in front of them, meanwhile someone let motorcycles go between lanes, oh and you don't need to get your car plated for 6 months so if someone hits you there's a chance they'll drive off.", "A frighteningly large number of drivers simply aren't paying attention to what's on the road ahead of them. Talking on the phone, messing with the radio/media player/heater/aircon, or simply zoning out because driving is just too easy these days.", "Lived in LA for 7 years.....yup, all the above is true", "Why the potshot at Americans in the title? Hahaha Americans bad give karma and upvotes?", "This is shot by a stringer in front of the first wreck. He has a big spotlight. I bet people are looking at that and not the black car with it's lights off. It does not excuse the drivers, but I say fault lays with the person taking the video.", "Because I'm American, and I believe that if we want to solve a problem, we have to first acknowledge it.", "No, they were clearly pointing the spotlight in front of them, away from the oncoming traffic. Oncoming traffic wouldn't even be able to see the spotlight bulb due to the angle.", "Did you watch the whole video? And it clearly (the light) went farther to the right and left. Watch the whole video.", "I’m sorry, but no. You can’t blame the spotlight person for the countless morons driving 90mph through an accident scene without even looking up from their phones.\n\nThe complete disregard for their fellow humans. Nobody stopped to help (except the person filming). Nobody attempted to slow or flag down traffic. Nobody pulled over and put on their emergency blinkers and put out road flares. No semi trucks formed a blockade, nothing. Just selfish people completely consumed by their own goals, driving by as people are dying right there in the middle of the road." ]	14	videos	This Video Of A Multi-Car Freeway Wreck In Los Angeles Might Make You Question How Americans Drive
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-1eCD7lkE	/r/videos/comments/rbdpbx/don_rickles_in_dirty_work_improvised_insults/	[ "That was when Artie Lange had a nose", "Googled \"Artie Lange nose\" just to get some context and now I feel really bad for the guy", "Who knew that Artie would outlive them all. Crazy.", "Kevin Farley is still alive too!", "did he get it bitten of by a saigon whore?", "Heroin addict snorted it", "Not necessarily improvised. Norm definitely wrote some of these. He talks about it in an interview about how Rickles couldn't get the lines right.", "Norm was a national treasure", "My old boss was a production designer on this film and to this day he considers this to be the lowest point of his career. I tried explaining that this a cult classic with a small but dedicated following, but he just refuses to acknowledge that. I guess to some people public acceptance just isn’t good enough, they themselves must be pleased with their work.", "Hello? Real cops??", "Rickles will always be a legend.", " Norm Mcdonald was the commencement speaker at my college graduation back in the nineties I shit you not. \nI used to be embarrased by that but now I love it. \nHe was a treasure.", "Mr. Warmth himself. The Merchant of Venom.", "Yea those cuts were very jarring. A lot of corpsing and/or flubbing lines", "Still is, just buried treasure now.", "Holy crap that Arabic babble after the Kuwait joke made me laugh. It really sounded like he was going say As-Salaam-Alaikum", "It’s a miracle he’s still alive. That guy has done so many drugs for decades. \n\nHe actually looks pretty good now. Even with the flat nose. \n\nhttps://people.com/tv/comedian-artie-lange-out-of-rehab-after-7-months-sobriety/", "Norm would've appreciated that joke.", "It was a movie quote", "One of the most relentlessly funny comedians to ever have lived.", "Check his spot on Joe Rogan podcast from back in the 2009. Very interesting.", "Am I supposed to pretend this is funny because of the two famous dead guys?", "Am I supposed to pretend this comment is relevant?", "It's actually from a coke snorting incident. A hooker he was with used a glass cup to break down the coke on a glass surface and Artie ended up snorting alot of broken glass shards.\n\nEdit: I guess it was oxycontin tablets not coke", "Literally heard this in his voice.", "Or even better, support [what he's currently doing](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCejSpn_F5eXMhVfbTXgC4JQ). \n\nAnd his twitter is usually where he puts his latest updates: https://twitter.com/artiequitter", "YOU SON OF A BITCH!", "And Chris Farley didn't", "Have to be pretty fucked up to not notice", "My bad. I read online they were improvised", "TIL", "No worries. Here is the interview for reference. \n\nhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fwg35NOtn0I", "Thanks!" ]	32	videos	Don Rickles in Dirty Work improvised insults
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPWuUfAIU74	/r/videos/comments/rbdx6e/woke_cia/	[ "I thought the CIA dealt more with overseas stuff. \n\nMessing with the black community was the FBI's jurisdiction.", "[not even close to being as funny as the thing it makes fun of](https://youtu.be/X55JPbAMc9g)", "True.", "Nah the CIA smuggled drugs and sold them in black communities to fund other activities like overthrowing democratically elected governments.", "haha. Creative." ]	5	videos	Woke CIA
https://youtu.be/shPwW11MEHg	/r/videos/comments/rbeufw/how_nasas_webb_telescope_will_transform_our_place/	[ "I do love watching videos like this. Makes me realise I am just a blip in a mass cosmos. \n\n\nDo you agree?", "This is cool as fuck", "With only two weeks to the launch I am very much hoping this telescope will be a success. The JWST stands poised to provide an unimaginable advance in our understanding of the universe. What a time to be alive.", "We’re in it together.", "Haven't we heard this like a 100 times already?", "I say we hear it about 300 more times!", "you're just a big bop", "While NASA did majority of funding it's not NASA's telescope. It's a joint project. Us humans are finally doing something together and this video is not even going to recognize that.", "your video on repeat maybe??", "You are shortchanging NASA. NASA contributed over 90% of the development funding and will contribute 100% of the upkeep for the next decade. ESA will help with the launch and CSA contributed some instruments, but JWST is most definitely NASA's baby.", "NASA is the biggest source of funding, however ESA is not \"only launching\" the telescope or CSA \"did some instruments\". Telescope has 4 main instruments which are all equally important:\n\n1. NIRCam - Developed by a team led by the University of Arizona, USA;\n2. NIRSpec - Developed by ESA at ESTEC in Netherlands;\n3. MIRI - Jointly developed by NASA and ESA teams from University of Arizona and UK Astronomy Technology Centre in Scotland;\n4. NIRISS - Developed by CSA Herzberg Institute, Canada.\n\nIt's a very much joint project and it's not only about money but much more. In 2007 full partnership agreement was signed between NASA and ESA in exchange for all the support, manpower, launching facilities, instruments. In total there were 258 companies working on this project, 142 from USA and 104 from EU, 12 from Canada.\n\nTo be honest, if you are going to nitpick as if this was a dick measuring contest keep doing so. On the other hand I am really happy about humanity cooperating in achieving something great and going over and beyond of such primitive things as \"we #1 fuck yea\"." ]	10	videos	How NASA'S Webb Telescope Will Transform Our Place in the Universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zXG48hH5Sw	/r/videos/comments/rbeyi2/just_a_guy_playing_on_a_shovel_with_strings/	[ "The Ace of Spades", "I can dig it! I know he can!", "Hey, this is cool! Cant believe it works haha. Brilliant! Well played as well :)", "Dude plays 2 string slide shovel, how neat is that", "Reminds me of seasick steve\nhttps://youtu.be/S-vSZFEWHlo?t=41" ]	5	videos	Just a guy playing on a shovel with strings.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2ahCvCbsLg	/r/videos/comments/rbf5t3/this_took_27_weeks_of_hard_work_over_9_years_of/	[ "This is super cool! Well done. Super creative and the attention to detail is insane! Wish it was a little longer though", "All that work and woodcarving is easy...", "My fault... Better is: \n\n\nWoodcarving is Fun.", "It is!", "😅 Could be." ]	6	videos	This took 27 weeks of Hard work, Over 9 years of Experience and Almost over 300 cups of Coffee
https://youtu.be/8NtsNX75BeY	/r/videos/comments/rbfe3v/first_wingsuit_flight_through_heavens_gate/	[ "Red Bull gives you wings", "360p?", "[At least he made it ](https://youtu.be/tvv-AQKnGdc)", "\"stolen\" video, and old clip. Quite sure first time I saw this was a few years ago", "lol", "Really Red Bull? Foggy as all hell, terrible camera angles, and a very anticlimactic ending. This one missed", "Risky click", "Good thing he has that helmet on, wouldn't wanna get injured.", "The sport has come a long way in the last decade (the video is about a decade old - in case you weren't aware). \n\nThe guy in the video is Jeb Corbliss, one of the most well known skydivers/base jumper/wingsuiter. He's undoubtedly pushed the sport further and is a big reason the sport is doing as well it is.\n\n[Heres a video about his wingsuit crash and recovery](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hKhofOF_zo) Crash is about 3m in", "About a decade old at this point." ]	8	videos	First Wingsuit Flight Through Heaven's Gate
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxoW0zXiZ8Q	/r/videos/comments/rbfjja/an_echidna_wandering_on_the_track_brings_out_the/	[ "hes just a lil guy!", "My favorite part of this is they don't seem annoyed, they seem genuinely concerned for the little dude. Wholesome.", "Spikey Boi", "Echidna's are absolutely adorable and very rare to see in the wild.\n\nI'm an Aussie and I've only ever seen 1 wild Echidna in my life. I'm 29. That being said, I don't go out to the bush often.", "Echidnas are not critically endangered.", "Little guy found a gap. Senna would be proud.", "[Partially true](https://ielc.libguides.com/sdzg/factsheets/short-beaked-echidna/population)", "Corrected thank you, the source I looked at was targeted to a specific population. Some areas they are endangered, others they are not.", "bit of ball clenching misses at the end there", "Depends on your hobbies, I do some farm work, dirt bike riding and hunting so I get to see the little guys pretty often, and occasionally have had to help them when they get into trouble trying to cross under fencing", "Yeah I imagine if I was a more outdoors person I'd have seen a shed load more of the cute little buggers. But I'm a stay at home sort of person.", "The racetrack is about 3hrs away from Sydney and is know to have wildlife at least once a year make it onto the racetrack in 1 way or another. Normally its Kangaroos and those cause lots of problems for the drivers since they can very quickly change directions in the panic.\n\nThe Echidna would've still wrecked someone's tyre early into a lap (causing a very slow drive back to the pits) which could cost them the race and also cause officials to clean whats left if its really bad", "Poor little guy!\n\nDo yourself a favour and Google 'baby echidna' right now.", "So amazing to see the drivers avoid him, they really have superhuman reactions.", "The four species of echidna actually lay eggs, they're the only living mammals that do so, aside from the platypus, [which they share an order with](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monotreme). Just read that, and thought I'd share, neat fact.", "Thank you. Thought the platypus was the only mammal that lays eggs. Your effort is appreciated.", "Looks like the mammals-only-give-live-birth thing, really, is just a suggestion.", "Wait for it…. “…out there without a helmet.”", "Blood on a tire could affect traction, so they may have benefitted from avoiding it.", "“How…how do you he’s a he” \n\nThat made laugh surprising hard. He sounds genuinely curious", "Bathurst is an open track like Le Mans, when driving around the track years ago I saw an albino wallaby, pretty wild.\n\nedit: one the commenter actual mentions seeing an albino kangooroo, I [found my old picture](https://imgur.com/a/420ZXxe)", "I was so worried about him, watching it live! Was very relieved when they called out the Safety Car and made sure he made it off the track", "\"Thrill-seekah! Out there without a helmet..\" \n\nlol", "Lots of “rules” end up being not 100%. I’ve read that the I before E rule in English actually has more exceptions than words that follow the rule", "Knuckles has really slowed down", "Weird", "There are 3 groups of mammals. Platypus and echidnas are the only 2 animals in the order monotremata (monotremes).\nThe other 2 groups would placentals and marsupials.\nMonotremes are really an interesting group of animals.", "May have", "Cutest apex ever", "Taxonomy is messy work. The issue with having a nuanced reality, things so rarely fit neatly into boxes.", "So that's how you pronounce it.", "0:50 the cum box 😳", "those cars at the end, good eyes", "What is a bluey?", "Looks like some odd cactus plant or something", "Probably Blue tongue lizard", "Dog show on Disney +", "Even though I know it didn't come to harm I still cringed in fear at those clips at the end", "POWERFUL BOI alert", "A redhaired man", "Monotomes are the exception (Platypus, echidna(AKA Prototherians)). They are the last of there ilk. Then came the Metatherians (Marsuapials), and the Eutherians (Pocket-less mammals). Although, Metatherians and Eutherians popped up relatively close together on the evolutionary timeline. Those are your 3 classes of mammals.", "I was today years old when I learned what an Echidna was.", "He knows da wae" ]	46	videos	An Echidna wandering on the track brings out the safety car during Australia's biggest motorsport event

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